years this morning to introduce someone who's also very special to Saint Antonio and has made a real big impact. A pharmacist since 1980. Senator Van DePute was voted to the legislature in 1990 1991 and has worked tirelessly for our community advocating for a number of issues, whether it be health care, veterans, military affairs, specifically in my role at CPS Synergy.  And thank you so much for doing that. In 1999 voted to represent State Senate in District 26 and has continued to work along those paths. It's a very distinct pleasure of mine today to introduce our next Lieutenant Governor, State Senator Leticia Van DePute. Thank you. Thank you, John, for that kind introduction. Buenos dias. It is always good to be here with so many lifelong friends. I'm not going to say old friends, but lifelong friends and new friends that we met today. It is really my honor to be back and see an Antonio. If you haven't noticed, I have been traveling a lot lately and the state of Texas is so immense. But I've got to tell you, they all know that I'm from San Antonio. And almost everyone I meet tells me two things. Oh, I love San Antonio. This is where our family goes for vacation.  But if I lived anyplace else in Texas, it would be San Antonio. So that feeling that of pride that I have, I think is validated as you travel the state. And I never really understood that as much because I think we're an exceptional place. But when you travel the state and everybody has the greatest memories and their family has so much fun. Now, we do meet a lot of folks that say, oh, I was in San Antonio. And I said, you weren't he says, yeah, Lackland Air Force Base. That's where I did my basic. Or they say that they were at Fort Sam, or they were in the National Guard and came here to Camp Bullis. And I have to tell you that in my comments this morning, there's so many things that my dear friend Ray Wopis and I agree on. And that is that we work all the time to make sure that the quality of life in this community is as best as the families that live here and that can make those good decisions. But we know that the reason that Ray and his colleagues and the mayor can debate freely and citizens can participate at City Council and that my good friends are house leaders in Justin and Jose and certainly Mike and Trey and Ruth, all of the delegation that we can debate in freedom is because that price has been paid. And it's been paid by the men and women who have served in our military, who served in the Guard or in the reserves. And San Antonio strength comes from that military community. So before I introduce formally Ray, I know he would agree with me in saying thank you to those of you who have served. If you've ever been in the Army, the Navy, the Air Force Marine Coast Guard, regular Armed Forces Guard and Reserve, would you please stand and acknowledge our thanks to you this morning? Well, thank you very, very much. It's great to see so many of our leaders here. Sister, I am so thankful to see you and our Lady of the Lake community. You know, what a treasure on the west side of San Antonio.  My mother graduated from the lake. My sister graduated from the lake. Pete Vandepute actually went to get his masters at the lake and all of our children went to St. Martin's Hall, which was the west side Catholic school, but actually run by our Lady of the Lake University. It was part of the education department. And I got to tell you, all six are doing well, even with the likes of sometimes a sister Colette. They're all doing well. And I thank them for it. So thank you very much. It's good to see just so many people from the community here. But the reason we're here this morning and the vibrancy of this chamber, and I think really the rebirth is because on the west side of San Antonio, we have incredible leaders. And as I've known Ray Lopez over the years, I first met him actually when he was at AT&T. Well, I guess before that all the telecom stuff for years, I have been kind of the go to person for telecom legislation, both when I was in the house in the 90s and then in the Senate as well. So worked with everybody on the technology side and certainly on the telecom. And that's really when I first met Ray, his unbelievable career in technology really provided that expertise of working with a major company, but also understanding what drives a community's economics. And then the bedrock of that is actually our public education system, that infrastructure of opportunity that is our public schools and Ray served with distinction first at Northside. And you know, in a really difficult time for all of our school districts, but particularly Northside was just exploding and having to pass bond after bond on facilities because folks, as you know, the state's dwindling commitment to our public schools as funding, but always the facilities are done by local taxpayers. The state doesn't put very much money at all into facilities. So our local school districts really have to have that community confidence and go to the voters time and time again when they need facilities and your leadership at Northside to put them on sound footing. That relationship with the parents with faculty and staff is part of the leadership that Ray brings to everything he does. Now, I've got to tell you and know and Ray that it is not just this love of the community, but it's the love of his family. He I know could not serve without the support, the encouragement of his beautiful wife. Ray, we really, really, really like you a lot and respect you. We absolutely love her. You got to understand. Yeah, I know you do. And they've built not only their lives here, but with their four children. And of course, we all agree that now we're into that age in our lives where our primary job is spoiling our grandchildren. But as Ray tells me that we're really not spoiling them spoiling them would be giving them something that they don't want. We just give them things they do want. So it's really not spoiling. But Ray's commitment to public education, Ray's commitment to this community. And the voters have wisely chosen him to be one of the lead lead voices at our city council. San Antonio is known in the legislature for having its act together before they go to the legislature. And when you think about all of the things that make our city very unique, it's not just the diversity of our economics. It's that we have a city owned utility, both in SAWS and in CPS. And let me tell you, in a framework of an electric market, that is absolutely an energy only market, our goal is to make sure that anything that happens in Austin doesn't unduly hamper the ability of this community to make the right decisions for the ratepayers and for the people in this community. We also know that with the treasures that we have of the port of San Antonio and our university systems and the river authority and the hospital district and so many things that it's the home team that has to make sure that it has its agenda together. It's no surprise that the mayor and our city manager have tapped Ray to be the lead person when it comes to negotiating and coming to Austin. And so it is always with pride that I greet him because if I can get Ray in front of a senator who's maybe a little wavering on what we need back home, they come away absolutely convinced because Ray has that ability not only to talk to people in a manner that they understand but so that they can see the necessity of what this community needs to be successful. I know that we are so blessed because of Ray's leadership and that it is with the most respect and the most love that I bring up my dear friend, a continual leader for San Antonio, the true definition of a public servant Ray Lopez. Wow. Thank you, Lieutenant Governor. I guess everybody said that already, right? It's a little presumptuous on our part, but it's certainly in line with the type of leadership that you bring to the state. And it is a recent arrival of your leadership to the state. You've been doing it for quite some time as was discussed a few minutes ago. You work as a representative in the state Senate, but also the passion that you bring to the topics that you decide to take on. As you know, there's a lot of things that we've done well in this state under your leadership. You also know that there's a lot of things left to do. A lot of things that are going to require significant leadership. And I know that you'll be able to bring that to our state. And looking forward to working with you to make our state even greater. I also want to thank the West Chamber for putting this event on. I think I had the opportunity to speak once or twice before before a group. And typically, I had the opportunity to have notes in front of me. And I typically never follow them. I'm going to do my best to follow them this time, but I'm going to kind of skip through them as quickly as I can because I probably have, I think I timed myself that I had like 14 and a half minutes. That means that most of you would be late for wherever you're going if you're expecting to get out of here on time. But there are some points that I really want to make that are incredibly important. And that certainly is to thank the Chamber and the hard work that they've done. You have come an awful long way. We also recognize on the West side that organizations like the West Chamber are going to be the cornerstone of making the West side of San Antonio even more successful as we bring economic development, continue to bring economic development to that to that corridor. So I absolutely want to thank John, you and your entire team. Gabe, I know that you keep working on this. I know you keep on talking about jokes that you're making up here. We're putting your jokes into two different categories. So far, they've all been on the good and clean side. That's good. I've heard you say some others are probably in a different category. The father Pat is here, and I'm not going to, you know, go into that. But the trajectory that you bring to this organization, the hard work that you've done has really created a new image, a new direction, and nothing but success is going to happen for this organization because under under your leadership. Also know that Grace is in the audience, Grace Rodriguez Elliott, who's the coming chairperson for this for this organization next year. And there's no doubt in my mind that that we will continue to have the level of success. But all of that doesn't happen just by accident or maybe it does. I don't know. But I simply think that it doesn't happen by accident. I think it happens because of planning. And across the board, every organization does some level of planning. Not all of it is good.  And I thank him for his service. Oh, I did my best to try to talk him out of it. But ultimately, he went anyway. And I was glad that he went because he was able to come back to get some money out of the government to go to school, which means it didn't come out of my pocket. And of course, Evelyn was acknowledged a few minutes ago. But it does take an awful lot of planning, whether it's, you know, formal informal. But you know what, the best laid plans, if they're not implemented correctly, don't work. My son has heard me say that so many, many times. He's a small businessman here in San Antonio doing what he can. You've got to put together a plan. And if that plan isn't working, then it's got to be flexible enough to modify it, adjust it and then, you know, and keep moving forward. So the best of plans oftentimes don't work because they haven't had the level of execution that is that is necessary. Well, here in San Antonio, we're no different, right? The city of San Antonio put together a plan. A couple of years ago, as many of you participated, I know because I saw you there, participated in SA 2020. That was a coming together of a lot of organizations with a lot of vision, a lot of concern and commitment. A lot of folks really on opposite ends of various spectrums on what they wanted to see for the city, agreeing on some things, but maybe not agreeing on how to accomplish them at a return. But we did move forward with a pretty significant plan. And I'm here to tell you that that was not time wasted. The city of San Antonio uses that as the cornerstone for our planning going forward. We use that as the catalyst for all the development that we do, because indeed that is exactly what the community wants. Senator mentioned a few minutes ago, my work at North Side and the ability to pass bonds time and time again, which was great, but you have to make, have a plan, you have to have a commitment, you have to follow through on it. And that's what's happened when people get that kind of response out of their leaders, they will continue to follow them. Oftentimes, that doesn't happen. One thing is said and another thing is done. And oftentimes, the difference between that is the lack of leadership, because you might say something at the time, that it sounds good, hi Sean, that the sounds good at the time, but you don't follow through on it because you didn't have a commitment to it. Well, when you put a plan together, like we did with SA 2020, you clearly realize that the community is behind something, and they expect you to do it. I can't talk and I won't don't have the time to talk about all of the things that came out of the SA 2020 dialogue, but I will hit on two things because they're incredibly important. And they were the two things that were said the most during all of the sessions. We met, I guess, five or six times for several hours at a time. Then we did an assessment of what were really the two top priorities. The two top things that came out of there, although all of them important, were transportation and education. Those were the two things that continuously resonated every single time out of virtually every single table at every single meeting. Now, I can also tell you that while we agreed that education and transportation were two of the most important topics, seldom was there any agreement on what direction we ought to take, right? Whether it was let's get behind charter schools and let's go out and do more this, that, or the other. All of the things that happened around education, but the reality is we had to go out and create a plan because it was obvious that that was important to this community. And I'll talk a little bit more about that in a second. We also talked about transportation. Talk about ends of the spectrum. Everybody agrees transportation is bad. And you really agree to it. Where's Mario? Mario Cortez, here's from Textot. There he is, he's sitting back there in the corner. And you agree that transportation is an issue, especially when you're sitting in one of our parking lots, like on 1604. And you start to realize that we've got some very serious problems around transportation. We've got to address them very aggressively. However, we have folks at different ends of the spectrum. And typically the argument becomes how do you pay for it? Well, I can tell you as someone that's been in the, certainly in working for AT&T for 34 years, but have been in the government sector for two and a half decades, right? Through the school board, through Region 20 and now on the school system. All of those organizations, all those government organizations that I participated in, spent none of their own money, they spent our money, our tax dollars. So anything that we do from an infrastructure investment perspective is tax dollars. So it's not a matter of which, you know, where you're going to get the money, it's a matter of which tax or which pocket are you going to go after. So there's a lot of arguments, should it be told, should it be this or the issue is not creating the financing system ahead of the solution, because we don't know what that solution is yet. Exactly what it's going to be and nor do we know what it's going to cost, but we do know that funding is going to be at the top of that, of that, qualifying the success for that. So I spoke about transportation, I spoke a little bit about education. Let me also tell you, as we go and evolve on the discussion of education, last week just tickled to death, that to finally start to see really the pre-K4SA taking cold. Cheryl was telling me that this morning I think we have maybe 800 kiddos signed up already for this coming school year. Last week we announced the opening of the third and fourth facility. One of them on the west side. One of them sitting right there at the corner of what generally 151 in O Highway 90. And I say O Highway 90, I'm going to talk a little bit about that. I don't like the word O Highway 90. You all know that about that from last year. The other end of O Highway 90, there's a lot of investment going on and again, I'll talk a little bit more about that, but let's stick to education for just a second. We continue to make investments in other areas of education. While we invest in the pre-K4SA, because it was defined through the brain power initiative, that's where we needed to go spend our money. We are not only putting our money there, we're also doing things like Cafe College to make sure that our kids have an opportunity to figure out where they're going to go and how they're going to pay for it and what additional education they're going to get. And with hopes that they come back to San Antonio because we've got good jobs for them, Bruce, because that's why they're going to come back. We also make, on a day-to-day basis, we make investments in the various education foundations. Last week I was at Edgewood ISD presenting them with a check for $19,000 for students, academic scholarships that will be given away this year. For kids that are looking for, not a handout, but a hand up, an opportunity to be able to go out and do it. While those small scholarships are not going to get them through college, it gives them incentives, something that perhaps they haven't ever been able to shoot for and try to get. So these are all classroom scholarships. So we're trying to do it at every spectrum, every step of the way, we're trying to figure out how is it that we're going to execute our plan relative to education. And the reality of it is there was an argument that I think I got into with several people and at one point there was a debate and they brought up a bunch of us in and there were people that were saying what business is it of the city to be an education? That's not your business, that's not your core business. And I can tell you as a former school board member and a president of a school district, the largest school district and the other fourth largest in the state, 57th largest in the country, I can tell you that I would at that time would have said what business is it of the cities to be there? Well I can tell you what the business of the city is. If we don't partner with our educational system, we don't partner with our independent school districts, we will not have the kind of workforce that we need to be able to bring jobs to San Antonio over the course of the last five years I've had the privilege. You're absolutely right, thank you, you're absolutely right. We will, if we don't have that workforce, that is the role of the cities to bring jobs to San Antonio, but we can't get them here. We can't execute on that plan, Marty, unless we are having a workforce that is ready, willing, and able to take those jobs that we bring to San Antonio. That's what we continue to work through. I was fortunate enough this past summer to get appointed to be the chairman for the economic development committee for the city of San Antonio. By virtue of chairing that committee, I also get to sit on economic development, a foundation with Cheryl and others and Mario and a lot of really good folks on that team also get a chance to participate with the free trade alliance and talk about what we're going to do on the international space, how we're going to do outreach into other countries to get them to invest here, how we're going to direct foreign investment to San Antonio. I mean, stuff that I really didn't think about much when I was on the school board level, but certainly now it's part of what I need to go do and it continues to crystallize exactly what the role of the city is when it deals with education. We've got to go out and be able to recruit and we've got to have the asset available here in San Antonio to meet those job demands. I can tell you that many of those businesses that have come to San Antonio have come back and say, guys, you need to help us with this. You need to help us with a more robust workforce, because we put demands on them that if you want to come to San Antonio and you want to send us from the city, you've got to deliver, you've got to deliver good rates, good salaries, good jobs and a quantity. They come back and say, we're having trouble because it's an incredible expensive proposition for us to hire these folks and then have to spend all that money in training. So you've got to do a better job of training and when they get here that they're ready to go to work. We're working hard on getting that accomplished. There are organizations that we continue to partner with, certainly Edgewood, Northside, which are part of the District 6 family. We also work with Port San Antonio with the Westside Development Corporation. We have an organization called the Westside Educational Technical Center, which is WETC, that produces training and job training for individuals that are going to go work at the port, that are going to go fill these jobs that we need to have that brain power, brain trust for. So we're working really hard in a lot of spectrums of education. So let me change the gears now for just a second and kind of shift over to transportation real quick, because that's a real important topic and it has so many variable components and I know that you know I'm up here talking and you guys are going, how much money did I put into the meter? If you get a ticket call Cheryl or call my friends over here at the other table. The reality of it is we have to address the issues around transportation. Our city is continuing to grow depends on which, what measurement you want to use. I've heard all kinds of things said making analogies that just outside of 1604 out there in the Alamo Ranch area that will have a by the by the by the next census it will have a city the size of Corpus Christi there. That's a lot of people. They people talk about at the county level you know I think 1.3, 1.2 million new people that will be here by the end of the by the time the next census is taken. It doesn't matter which standard you use if you're measuring county, you're measuring city, if they're coming to our region they need a place to live they need a place to work they need a place to play and they come here because there's a quality of living so play is a very important part of that right but to be able to keep them here and to be able to have the kind of quality of life that we want is we have to deal with issues like transportation and it is a very tough discussion to have because everybody realizes that transportation to address transportation is an incredibly expensive proposition. It's amazing. Fortunate to get appointed to be chair of the MPO the Metropolitan Planning Organization and when we talk there about funding and road funding and all that kind of stuff we're talking about millions of dollars per mile and we need miles and miles of road work. We also hear that there is no way Mario that we're going to be able to build and pour enough concrete and pour enough asphalt to build our way out of congestion. Can't do it. Not possible. We don't have the money we don't have the resource and we don't have the time. So what we're going to have to do incorporate it into our transportation plan and we started talking about plans and what we have to do that plan has to include a multimodal approach to transportation and it has to be a region wide plan. We've got to get folks riding rail riding high speed trains riding and get our freight on freight rail we've got to that's an incredible expensive proposition. We've also got to improve our interstate system in San Antonio which we're working on diligently because we got to get people around from neighborhood to neighborhood and then we've got to take it one step further and improve and invest in our arterial and our feeder streets and those are the roads that you and I use to get to work. It's got to be an entire process an entire network of design that we have to invest in. All of those are different levels for different layers of government right at the state level at the local level county and all that kind of stuff but the reality of it is you and I are the ones that pay for it because remember I said no level of government reaches in their own pocket and pulls it out they reach into our pocket and pull it out so if we're going to make a plan that is actually going to be supported and funded by the public it's got to be a plan that makes sense that we have had incredible amount of input from from the public and then have a crystallized plan that's financed and moved forward. I can tell you that we're working hard at the city level to be able to do that. The city has taken the responsibility for the next four years of leading the MPO in their in the chairmanship. I am the chairman for that for that organization at this time and that really is the statewide management of streets that come through San Antonio. I know that I've asked Cheryl and she's agreed we're working on a plan to be able to identify and address the congestion within our streets those arterials and feeders that I was talking about and what we want to do is over the course of the next 18 months is to have a plan to implement across the entire city that allows us to be able to say these are the congested areas these are the bottlenecks these are the trouble spots and this is what it's going to take to resolve it and it's going to be money and it's going to be something that you and I are going to have to vote on at some point in the near future with a bond. If the plan is not good you will not support it. Conversely, I hope that the plan is good you will support it because we but we have to craft that plan we can only craft that plan together. A while ago there were I think it was Gabe or John or someone asked for those that here representing HOAs and the like to please stand so I know that you've been recognized but you are the ones that are telling me what needs to happen within our communities it's got to be a grassroots plan that we ultimately crafting you and I are the ones that are driving that as a matter of fact all of you that are involved in your HOAs need to communicate with your neighborhood leadership on where the bottlenecks are and where their problems are so we can start to address them on a global scale. So I'm looking forward to doing that we implemented a small pilot program in the district in district six on the 151 Patranco area where we kind of identified a pretty large area that had a lot of growth that had a lot of congestion I felt partially responsible because I was on the school board when we put all those schools in the neighborhood there and created that congestion so I kind of felt a secondary obligation to go and try to get an address but what we did was relatively new and what we did is we identified a large segment much more than just a street or a corner and did what they call a TIA a traffic impact analysis and said hey this is where all the choke points are and this is what it's going to take and we stacked up all of the things that we needed to be able to improve that community prioritize them by dollars and then lay it out in time and said over the next five years this is our plan it isn't that difficult to do if the community is having the opportunity to give input my commitment to you is to continue to work that whether it's at sitting on the count of the the city's economic development committee or through the MPO to get the input from the community because without that quite honestly none of these plans are going to take shape and then ultimately you aren't going to support them because they're not plans that came from you so I've talked a lot about the two topics I guess that were you know that came out of the SA 2020 transportation and education and I think all of us can agree that we could probably sit here and talk about and ponder and maybe even cry a little bit over some of the situations that we have to deal with in those two areas but there's also a great opportunity for us from an economic development perspective you know to continue to work in a lot to be proud of in district six and certainly on the west side of San Antonio so I'll kind of move on to the to my closing remarks that says although I was talking about education and transportation one of the things that I think is always important senators that we recognize that we always look forward you know in a with a I guess a mind to you know to be innovative and aggressive and but if we look forward only we'll miss miss a very large piece of what we're all about and that's our past and our heritage we've got to also look back and we've got to keep a foot back there we've got to keep an eye on what has happened to get us to where we are as we move forward no doubt we have to move forward but we have to keep an eye on the past and I can tell you that in District 6 we certainly have an eye on our history an eye on our past and those that have committed to making San Antonio what it is making the West Side what it is last year I talked a little bit about you know my intent to rename Ohio A90 to Enrique Barreta Parkway Miss Barreta is here with us this morning and I want to tell you that we can continue to work on that project I mentioned a few minutes ago we actually have the bookings already started on Ohio A90 we at one end of Ohio A90 we've put the the pre- K4SA Center at the other end we've invested a significant amount of money at the intersection of 36th Street and Ohio A90 we're going to continue to build that corridor out because it is one of the key corridors to developing the West Side and in one of the requests that was made when we talked last year was that Miss Barreta insisted the entire family insisted that whatever we did for it not to cost the citizens of San Antonio anything for the renaming I assured her that that was the case and that's the direction that we're taking we've put together a small budget we've also started a with in collaboration with the West Side Development Corporation created if you will a sub 501 seat three to be able to raise money we're going to have a golf tournament that will be announcing soon probably in the late summer early fall that'll start the raising of we believe about an $80,000 budget to change the names on 151 I'm going to work with Maria to see if I can get some really good deals on those signs on 151 but but the reality is that was that was the commitment that we made is that we will not allow that name change to create any kind of a negative connotation around a great individual Enrique Embarera he committed so much of his life and time to our community and for there to be any kind of a negative discussion around that honor needs to be avoided at all cost or at no cost right so what we're doing is making sure that we have the funds in place before we actually start the the name change certainly my colleagues are on support of that we will we won't be moving that one forward and you'll be hearing soon about the the fundraising initiatives that that will pay for the actual renaming and we'll also create a small fund for those businesses that are on as they say on a fixed income right businesses that are thin margins really tough to you know to be able to you know to make any kind of changing your business without it affecting your bottom line so we can have a small fund available to them if they're associated with the renaming if there happens to be incorporated to their business so we we intend to be able to do that as well so uh with after saying all of that I want to thank you for the opportunity to speak with you and um and kind of close up on one last final point that I want to make and it it really is as important as all the other stuff is this one is is critically important and and I want to and I want to say with all the sincerity that I that I possibly can and with making sure that you know that I've pondered how I'm going to say this but in the next few months you're going to hear quite a bit of discussion you're going to hear headlines and all kinds of stuff about what's going on between the city and our police and fire associations you're going to hear things that newspapers like to say especially when they're trying to sell papers I can tell you that nothing is more important than providing a good quality category of first responders to our community that is what the community demands that is what we all demand nobody scripts when they're having that heart attack or when they're they're perhaps their family member has fallen and needs help when their house is on fire when someone's broken into their into the house next door or they see something suspicious nobody haggles over you know how much are we paying and all that kind of stuff best that we possibly can get in that arena and I can tell you that the folks in the union both the police and the fire folks are committed to making sure that whatever comes out of this negotiations will continue to be able to deliver that because they live here too I also know that our city managers committed to delivering the same thing so we will use that kind of prudent judgment to make our deliberations what you hear in the paper it needs to be taken with a grain of salt there's always folks trying to sell newspapers and sometimes the headlines are not exactly what you know what they should be or really defining exactly the level of discussion that's going on but I want to tell you that that you're going to hear a lot of stuff over the course of the next few months about that kind of stuff you probably have heard some things in the past few weeks again take it with a grain of salt know that all sides are committed to delivering the best service that we possibly can to providing a great police and fire uh agreement that allows us to retain and recruit the best that San Antonio deserves so with that being said I want to tell you that I'm very very honored and proud to be able to serve the city of San Antonio currently in my capacity as a city councilman I've been there for five years hope to be there another three next next year around this time you just keep in mind you know you need to tell your friends to get out know but the the future is very bright in San Antonio the future is even brighter I think in District 6 on the west side of San Antonio and it's that way because of the commitment that has been made by the public by the folks that that live there and play there so thank you very much for that opportunity and for actually sitting here well after the time that I was supposed to be sitting down the other thing just really quickly closing Andrew worked for me up until last year and Andrew I just want you to know that I didn't follow your notes and I didn't follow theirs either pal so once again thank you very much and have a great day


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Hi, everyone. We're going to get started. Not sure I need this microphone, but it's here. OK, so welcome, everyone, to our workshop. What should universities do with their patents? It's wonderful to see so many different people here from different sectors who think about this topic. My name is Yardin Katz, and I'm a fellow here at the Berkman Klein Center and also at the Harvard Medical School in the Department of Systems Biology. I want to begin by thanking my co-organizer, Chris Bavitz, from the Harvard Law School, and also the Berkman Klein events team who made this possible, Kerry, Dan, and Daniel. And also thanks, big thanks to John Murley and Becca Tabasky from Berkman Klein. So we're very lucky to have people from diverse sectors here. So we have academics. We have activists and people from advocacy groups, folks from technology transfer and development offices at universities, and a representative from government. And today will be, of course, a US-centric perspective on these topics. On the issue of diversity, I just want to say that when planning this workshop, we started with a list of more women than men. And due to logistics and availabilities, unfortunately, the balance tipped. And so we have many more men than women. And this is something that we have to do better in next time. I also want to acknowledge the important partners to this conversation who are not here. So we don't have representatives from public universities. For example, we have been unable to get them in other important groups. But nonetheless, I think we have a great venue for starting this dialogue, which hopefully will not end today between these diverse sectors and maybe an opportunity to also, especially later in the day, talk about potential alternatives and reforms to the current practices of intellectual property at universities. So the plan for today is very simple. We'll have short talks followed by lots of room for discussion. And we hope the discussion will be very informal and friendly. The discussions will not be videotaped. And they will follow Chatham House rules. So that means no attribution if you talk about what happened here to the outside world. Just don't attribute what you heard of the discussion to anyone. We'll have lunch in this room. So please don't go away for lunch. I promise you the Harvard Law School has the best food out of any law school in Cambridge, at least. And no, seriously. And in the afternoon, we'll have a breakout session where we kind of collaboratively answer a bunch of questions related to today's topics. And our eventual plan is to compile all the perspectives that we've heard here today into a written report with input from all of you. So I just want to start with a couple of remarks about this topic of universities and patents and universities and intellectual property. And I thought a really great starting point was Jessica Silby's observation in her book, The Eureka Myth, where she points out that intellectual property is not a natural thing. So I really like this passage. She writes, IP doesn't simply happen or arise the way a flower does after planting a seed. IP needs to be shaped and coaxed. IP is not inevitable. It does not follow easily from creative and innovative activity. And I think that we can similarly say that IP doesn't just align naturally or automatically with the university's mission, with its educational mission, research mission, or with public interests more broadly. But universities continue to generate intellectual property. And this is something that we have to contend with. And so the questions for today, as I see them, are what are the main issues or points of contention with the current practices of intellectual property at universities, whose perspectives and interests aren't taken into account, for instance? And how can these be reformed? So I want to just make a couple of observations from my corner of the world, from biomedical science. So this is a graph showing the number of NIH-funded patents through time, since the 70s till 2010. And what you can see is that it's been sharply increasing. This graph here shows the trajectory for Stanford, Harvard, and MIT. And so publicly funded research is producing a lot of patents in the biomedical world. One of these publicly funded patents is the patent over CRISPR, which I'm sure you've heard about in the news about the technique and the very public and very ugly patent battle over it. So Wired Magazine and other venues have been discussing CRISPR in very hyperbolic terms. Wired Magazine says it could remake the world, solve world hunger, provide unlimited energy. Here we have the cover of the economist talking about designer babies and the potential to edit all of our human features and complex traits using CRISPR. And front and center to this, in my opinion, wildly hyperbolic coverage is the patent battle itself, which is framed as a battle over who is the rightful inventor of this technique. And it's been framed as a battle between two sides, the Berkeley side, which is associated with Jennifer Doudna and the MIT Broad Institute side, which is mostly associated with Feng Zhang. So I think this patent is interesting because it raises a number of important problems with the current practices of universities when it comes to intellectual property. So I don't have time to go into all of the conceptual problems with this patent. I'll just briefly say that it's enormous in scope. It covers essentially all DNA editing in animal and plant cells and essentially the use of DNA editing to potentially treat any disease with any sort of genetic basis. I would go further to say it's neither an invention nor a therapy and that when you get to the bottom of it, it's an abstract thing that is being patented. But putting that aside, more important to our conversation today is I think this is an abuse of a monopoly because this patent was, which is enormous in scope, was licensed to one startup company, Editas, which was founded by one faculty member from MIT and the Broad Institute. So this enormous terrain is monopolized by just one company. And of course, advocacy groups are rightly upset about this, patient advocacy groups. For example, this group that is worried about Duchenne's muscular dystrophy is worried that their disease, which is just one of many on the list covered by this patent, will not be prioritized. And of course, no single company can treat all of the world's diseases. And even if CRISPR did have these magical capacities that the press tells us that it has. I want to just give one last example. So we're all familiar with non-practicing entities or patent rolls and intellectual ventures is one of the most notorious patent rolls out there. And they're very proud of the work that they do. So they put their portfolio online and it's available for anyone to download. So their patent portfolio contains about 30,000 US patents. And I got very interested in where these patents come from. And so I downloaded this portfolio and queried it against a patent database and asked, who is the original assignee? And what this analysis revealed is that nearly 500 of these patents in IV's portfolio originated from public and private universities. And this graph shows the number of patents from the top 10 universities in this portfolio. And unfortunately, this includes universities who signed this so-called Stanford Pledge in 2007, pledging to be mindful of working with non-practicing entities or patent aggregators. So for example, Caltech signed this pledge, but it had patents in this portfolio that were filed after 2007, so not following the pledge. And so I think this raises a number of issues. To be clear, we don't know the nature of the transfer, how these patents got into the hands of intellectual ventures. And that's something that I'm working on trying to understand, but we should think about whether this is an outcome that we want and whether universities can do something to block this. So with that, I want to go straight into the first session and we'll have plenty of room for discussion. And we're lucky to have Alex Czar from the history of Science Department here at Harvard to chair this session. And Alex tells me that he's going to be completely neutral because he lives in the 19th century. I'm not sure if I buy that, but we're very lucky to have a historian with us and his historical insights to facilitate and guide the discussion. So thank you, and we'll go to session one.


Hi everyone and welcome to this session, I'm Xiaohuang I'm the VP of ecosystem at the cloud native computing foundation and today we're going to reveal the results of the November's edition for the CNCF end user tech radar, which I'm really excited by so let's take a look. Basically, what I do at CNCF is I work with end users to get them engaged and active in the ecosystem, so that they can successfully adopt technologies like Kubernetes and Prometheus. You can find me at oyster on Twitter. And these are some of the companies that I work with. So this ranges from startups to large enterprises and all fantastic companies that are using cloud native. And I'm very honored to be joined by three of them here today to talk about the CNCF end user technology radar. So I would like them to each introduce themselves. So first of all, we have Jackie Fong. Please introduce yourself. Hi everyone. I'm Jackie Fong. I work at master take a master for the last three years as their engineering manager, leading their Kubernetes platform team and CI CD team observability and most recently developer experience. And we develop the platform for our developers to consume and recently we migrated our self managed Kubernetes to EKS. At the beginning of 2020, which shows help I kickstarted a service mesh end user group with CNCF as a culture. So happy to be here. Great. Thank you, Smeen. Hi, I'm Smeen. I'm DevOps team leader at Dailymotion, which is this video distribution platform basically pretty famous in France and Europe. At Dailymotion I'm leading a team which is in charge of the cloud native platform. This platform is a hybrid platform, mostly on premises, and we have some stuff on the cloud. And we are responsible of the whole developer experience from the laptop, the CI CD to how they ship their application to the production. And also the organizer of the CNCF Paris meetup, and the CNCF. And I'm glad to be here. Fantastic. Maya, you're next. Thanks, Maya. My pronouns are she and her. I'm a former principal engineer who worked on indeed compute storage and observability platforms. I recently left and joined a small startup called FX. I'm happy to be here. Awesome. I want to say thank you to all three of you for coming together to be the radar team and be the editors for this edition of the tech radar. And just a reminder, the tech radar is a way of assessing upcoming solutions and different technologies. So the idea is to pick which tools you would recommend to place in adopt. In other words, they're mature and they're stable. They've been used by many different teams, many different use cases. So the topic of this radar is database storage and database storage is very close to my heart because I used to work for a storage vendor. So I want to ask you to the radar team, why did you choose database storage? Maybe I would start by saying that I was wondering how was the adoption in this NCF and user community in this particular area, because this NCF is a very, very, very long-term, so I want to ask you to the radar team. Why did you choose database storage for this radar? Maybe I would start by saying that I was wondering how was the adoption in this NCF and user community in this particular area because this NCF community is pretty mature on the Kubernetes platform and maintaining and the evolution of the Kubernetes platform. But I wanted to know how databases fit in this cloud native domain. I know on the Indeed side of the world, as we started to shift more and more of our workloads to the cloud, we were really interested in how people were running their databases, whether they were choosing to go manage services or running in cluster and what kind of some of the technology decisions that went into that for as well as how they were handling some of their scale out. Yeah, I'm pretty similar. I would love to pick the community spring. We've been migrating out on-prem presence to the cloud. On the database front, we have legacy systems running on Oracle and just looking forward to get some insight from the community and some experiences to migrate out of either Oracle or onto Oracle on the cloud. So super excited for this topic. I'm definitely excited to see the results for this. Just a reminder for how the technology radar is put together. We created a Google spreadsheet with a list of different tools. This was not exhaustive so people can add their own extra tools in as well. And then we asked each company to add a column for themselves and choose whether within their own company, they recommend that these tools are adults, trial, assess or hold. So hold explicitly here doesn't mean we don't use it or we don't have it at all. Hold means we might have it but we don't recommend that new applications use this technology. And then here we've got some of the companies that have contributed to the results of this and probably a sort of slight bias towards the medium and larger size companies overall. All right, here we go. Ready for the results? Actually, before we do that, let's talk about what did you expect? So what did you think was going to come out from this? I kind of expected a lot of people to like continue using the technologies that they were familiar with. Just because you already have a lot of expertise on it from the engineering side, you don't have to rewrite applications, good compatibility there. Yeah, I expect Oracle, like I mentioned earlier, to be up there as well. And for most of the companies that has entering information in there, most of them said on hold or recommending it to be on hold or face down. So that was surprising. But otherwise, most of those are pretty in line with what we've been using. And I was expecting much more experiments on new cloud native databases. This is something that we will see later on, but I wanted to see because we worked on the POCs at the emotion to identify our next database cloud native database. And I was expecting that many more company will do the same experience. Okay, so that's quite interesting. We've got a wide range from, you know, we expected Oracle DB to we expect super new technologies. Okay, so let's actually look at the results. Just a reminder, again, here green is votes for adopt. The blue is for trial, yellow for cess, and then gray is for hold. And then we took probably the top 15 or so answers that we had. Oracle, I believe was not, didn't end up in here right Jackie. So it's, yeah, it was way down there from a responses perspective as well. Yeah, Maya you were going to say something. Oh, I don't think I was going to say much but I think it was, like I said, to my expectations earlier I kind of expected people to stick with the technologies that they were comfortable and familiar with and I felt like the results kind of showed that right. Yeah, a lot of well known names up at the top. And so when we came to choosing which ones ended up in adopts trial and assess. I think these are just kind of bucketed like this. I know there was a little bit of discussion about some of these items where they are there any here that you use, or you thought were, you know, personally you would put in a different place. So we are heavy users of my sequence. This is our main database. And yes, I can see that most of the adept technologies we are using them, except using was good, was good because we chose my sequence. We use for MongoDB pretty heavily add indeed. And that was one of the things I thought was really interesting to fall into the trial. But there is a lot of people that kind of like marked it as like holds don't quite adopt yet. And so it was kind of an interesting experience to see that. I remember Jackie when we were doing this, you thought that Postgres, you were surprised that a lot of people are using Postgres, right. I mean, way more than my SQL as you can see here, we've been, we migrated up, not a ticket master my previous place, I believe, 20 years ago, we migrated up a Postgres onto my SQL. And since then I've been working with my SQL almost every place I work for. But recently at a ticket master, Postgres came back. I mean, at least from a vendor supported service they provided and Postgres SQL was the back end. So to me that was a little bit surprising, especially looking at the results here that Postgres is more widely adopted than my SQL. I want to go into a little bit more detail like why, why did you migrate off Postgres in that previous world and then that was a long time ago. Our main database, I work for ISP. That was when we have dialed ups and DSL I'm aging myself here. And basically it was our main registration application. And it was really heavy at the time people are signing up left and right and supporting Postgres SQL was just too heavy for us. And we're looking for an open source database that we can migrate to. It was, it wasn't an easy effort. When I left, they were still finalizing the migration and my SQL at that time works for us. It was super light. And the operation cost for my SQL is so much lower than Postgres SQL and finding expertise at that time. We call them, you know, DBAs, right, finding expertise for my SQL at that time was so much easier than Postgres DBAs. So that's when we made the decision. And on the application side of the world's Postgres didn't handle updates as well as my SQL and so when people were doing updates and it needed to kind of update any indexes. So that was the cascading right problem which had performance considerations. Yeah, in fact, I think we talk in a little bit about how the different, how difficult it is to move between databases. So I think actually we should go into that. Yeah, so I asked you to sort of come up with some thoughts about what themes or patterns that you see, not just from the data but from your own experience. And why don't you talk about this first one? Yeah, so one of the big things that I had noticed with a lot of our cloud migration is a lot of, we're really cautious with our data and we tried moving from database A to database B and there's obviously a lot of overhead involved and you have to move like from petabytes or perabytes worth of data from one data storage technology to another. I remember running math to try to figure out what kind of like right workload capacity we needed to stay on top of our rights for the day and there was just a lot there to take into consideration and we ended up like not choosing to adopt any new things. Even in our move to the cloud, we're still kind of considering like keeping the same things that we're familiar with. We have a lot of operational excellence around things like my sequel, as well as all our applications are programmed against that so it's, you know, the cost of switching from one technology to the other often has a high, high tax to pay. But that's actually also what you mentioned in terms of the hiring, right Jackie the finding people with skills. And a lot of engineers when we interviewed them they're looking for, you know, challenges, new, the next new shiny toy to play with. And, you know, when they hear about Oracle or when they hear about running on prem, they shy away and a lot of times company make decisions, you know, based on some of those responses and newer technology it's sort of attraction right to work for a company and whatnot like my going to a startup it's you have to choose. You don't want to choose legacy systems and technologies and, and that's why the newer technologies should be there. I mean it shows on our radar too so you said you're in the middle of looking at a change right now a daily motion right and can you talk a little bit about the challenges that you've seen there. You're on mute. Yes. Still on mute I'm afraid. Okay, so, okay, so I was, I was saying that at the emotion and as I said I'm in charge of the DevOps team and my team is responsible of giving the main building blocks I would say for a developer to build his application architecture. And one of the pieces we want to provide is to provide an easy way to, to bestrap database system database software. And we are looking at the cloud native alternatives in the, in the market, and we did POC is last year, in order to choose the one that fit our needs. And we are pretty happy because some of our internal tools are currently running in production on that solution. Do you mind like sharing what that one was. Yes, we are working with IDB type TV and we, we deployed it on production for internal uses. How is it been working with that out of curiosity. How is it. How is it working today working with the IDB coming from like the, I guess, like your previous standpoint. Yes, we did that shows because because we did a lot of performance tests these tests and reliability tests with it cows testing using the tool named the cows mesh. We, we pushed a lot the solution to be sure that it handles our traffic, big traffic because we, we, we have the, we have the target to, to have a lot of traffic in this platform.  The IDB operator is pretty amazing because it allows you to define really easily how you want to declare your, your, your database. And, and all the observability features are really amazing in this, in this solution. I was pretty surprised by the maturity of this solution because it's not known, really known. But when we did our tests and compared to the other solution. This is the one we shot. Okay, I think let's go to the second theme out of three and choosing a managed database service depends heavily on your use case. Smeen, do you want to talk about this one? Yes, actually, when we, when we, we've seen the results, we were pretty surprised by, by the, the, the fact that managed services were not so too much adults. We were expecting that there will be much more options with the, the managed database services. But actually, when we talked about that depends, it depends on the, the company use case and when where the application is deployed, what is the cloud provider, and sometimes the database just run on premises. So that's why maybe that can explain why we don't see much more adoption in this area. Yeah, I mean, one of our use cases, our database is the biggest one is on-prem and one of our initiative for our developers is migrate their workloads to the cloud. In the East region, it's great. The cloud, AZ is pretty close to our on-prem data center there, but on the West side, it's, it's, it's more, you know, it's too far and we constantly hitting some latency issues. And that's where our use case is kind of a little bit different between our East and our West regions. And so that's where we're starting looking into what are the alternative as we move off of on-prem from Oracle to, to anything out there that's, you know, may not be just one-to-one migration. We are looking at multiple solutions. I know that when we were diving in, we looked at things like elastic search for an example and comparing like our on-premise configuration versus the cloud configuration that we could get from something like AWS and did some pretty heavy performance testing against it and found that we could run elastic search not only cheaper than what like AWS was offering, but also like with higher performance. And so we did a lot of things like that when we were diving in. I think when we were doing that evaluation, we were on EC2 instances and not necessarily running in Kubernetes, but it was something that was like we kind of, again, kind of take to heart when we look at some of this stuff and really try to take our use cases in this consideration. We also had like another ephemeral testing type of effort in place where people wanted to be able to spin up kind of like feature branches for, you know, ServiceX and then have a database that's kind of fresh and brought up and then torn down when that feature branch is deployed and using like a managed service for something like that can be really heavy and really difficult to kind of get built into that workflow. And that's where we started looking at more things like running it in cluster alongside the service that you're trying to deploy. Yeah, I mean some of our developers even run their own MySQL within Kubernetes instead of using RDS. Kind of find that interesting, even though they are running on EKS. So different use cases really depends. That's actually a really good point because RDS was one of the options that was in here. It was one of the answers that was there, but it didn't end up in the final radar. Why is that? Well, I mean, it's vague right when we when I said RDS, which database are we talking about MySQL, Aurora, right, or even all goes there as well.  So we took that out, it's kind of vague from that sense and it's very, you know, AWS specific.  Okay, great. I knew that was a question that people are going to ask, like, where is RDS? So figure let's get it out of the way. Let's go to our third theme. This was just keep an open mind. And Jackie, what does this mean? Yeah, and no reason why this subject was, you know, while filling out the radar, I get a chance to talk to our database team. And they're new to Kubernetes. And we've been trying to work with them to migrate their services on to the cloud and most of the time on to Kubernetes as well. And some of those engineers are Oracle DBAs. And we try to talk to them about migrating adventure into new technology and don't settle for the first one they looked at and reach out to industry like experts like people here, right? Maya, Smi and the community and see what their experiences are and learn from that before we, you know, decide on our own. So keep an open mind on what's out there. And this radar will really open up some of our eyes. That reminds me of a point Maya, you were making earlier, you said that cost and performance were some of the things that you were looking at. So, were there other things or maybe you can go into performance a little bit like what do you remember what the things were that you were looking at? One of the big things I think in kind of this space of like keeping an open mind, right, like a lot of pieces of technology are coming out that are better suited for certain use cases and kind of keeping that in mind. So we have a pretty high right, high right throughput when it comes to things like processing candidate applications or our job aggregation funnel. And so we needed to make sure that whatever database technology we choose could handle the right throughput. With the way like Cockroach DB works, for instance, it has a single node that can accept writes at any time. And so we found like that wasn't scaling well for a lot of our right heavy use cases. And so we needed something that was a little bit more federated to some extent. And so one of the things like I said earlier was like protocol compatibility where it's like a lot of systems are written against my sequel or some piece of technology and going through and trying to like redo a lot of that code to then work with something like post grass or another kind of protocol. It's a lot of work on our engineers and we don't necessarily want to put that kind of toil on them. So that was one of the other things that we had found that like the test was it didn't handle some of the prepared statements that we were using quite as well and it kind of again forced our engineers to kind of go and reconsider like how their code was being written. So we were trying to find something that was more, you know, drop in and replace versus we need to burden our engineers with going and fixing that. I mean, maybe you can talk a little bit about this as well because you were saying you you're using tidy be so you did choose a new technology. I would say that apart performances and reliability. There are other aspects aspects to take into consideration. I would say, all the life cycle tools around the software solution, the database software solution. I mean, how do you do backups? How do you dig further when you have an issue observability is really important and how you can get the more information from your system. These are some consideration to take into account. Yes, the adoption of the software, the open source, most of them are open source and we need to take into consideration how the community is, is maintaining how he's growing and what is the adoption of the open source project. So you mentioned you're you're you're using tidy be now, right? Yeah, so the community community backing was part of the decision making for you. Yes. We had to look to the to the activity in the repository to the number of contributors, the number of stars, obviously, and the way we can ask for support to the way we can talk with the community. And this is something we took into consideration when we tried the solution. Jackie, you're Maya, do you have thoughts? I think one of the things I had for, I don't know, this section was, it was really surprising also to not see graph databases picked up a little bit more. There's a lot of cases where like a knowledge graph is really useful. And the fact that like, I think we had Neo4j show up in there, but it was like the only one that people had, and it fell really low and there was maybe only a handful of companies that have been voted for it. But it was, again, like one of those more interesting data points, kind of to that point or theme of keep an open mind, right, like find the database that fits your use cases. I mean, Maya and Smin nailed it. As we migrate from on-prem and supporting legacy systems, we need basically keep an open mind on what's out there, venture into the unknown, right? A lot of times my team, the engineers I have, every sprint, I see them picking the tasks that they're comfortable with. And I keep basically telling them, you know, jump out of your comfort zone, venture into something out there and oftentimes try to contribute to the open source community as well when we bring in technology from there. Yeah, I, of course, I appreciate that given that I work at an open source foundation. So let's just kind of look at the whole thing kind of in total. So what we ended up with in ADOPT, it's MySQL, Memcached, Elasticsearch, Postgres, Kafka and Redis. And then we ended up with another sort of six or seven here and then in Assess, just a few. So actually, like, do you have any thoughts for people who are looking at this and thinking, you know, if I have to choose a solution today, you know, this doesn't mean like, okay, you have to choose something from this section. But do you have any words of advice for people? Reach out to your network or join this community here and pick the brains. A lot of brainpower, a lot of open source contributors here trying on new things and learn from each other. I learned a lot just talking to you guys here. And so don't be afraid to reach out for help. That's the biggest piece that I can say here. Spain, Maya. Trying to think of how to follow that that's really well captured. Okay, well, let me go to the just over force. How did you find creating the radar? As Jackie said, I was really appreciated to talk with you to share our point of views. This was really interesting. Thank you. And I learned a lot of things I didn't expect, to be honest. And as Jackie said, talking to each other is really important. I thought the radar process. Sorry, sorry. No, I was going to say a lot, give me a chance to reach out to teams that I have not talked to for a while, especially the, you know, and this time. And most of my team work from home anyways. So I reached out to the database team and pick their brain for a while to help me build this radar. Having been like so engrossed on our persistence platforms that world I was pretty familiar with kind of the indeed side. Filling in that information wasn't too bad for me. The things about the radar process that I thought were really interesting was it was kind of difficult at times to figure out like, well, should this go into adopt or should this go into trial. I think Kafka is one of those really interesting ones where it's like a lot of people said adopt, but there are still like a few other folks that were like, hold on Kafka and it was kind of interesting that people were submitting hold and there was some context there I felt that was missing and having some of that context probably could have helped us make better determination about like whether or not something could go in the adopt versus trial category. And that's kind of where we typically leveraged comments pretty heavily of like this is how our use case of this is. I think I had put Cassandra in there as an example of like we did a trial deployment of Cassandra a long time ago and even though we wound up on a hold for Cassandra. You know there's a lot that can go into that right how was it deployed was it deployed with like open configuration or were we recompiling it things internally. So given indeed comes from a non-prem model, like we were most likely taking like whatever was out in open source and rebuilding it running on sent OS and trying to go like our own way versus kind of using the well known configuration provided by the community. Awesome. I mean, I want to say thank you to all of you. My ass main and Jackie because I really enjoyed working with you and I'm very very interested and excited to see the results of this. Same here. Thank you to everyone here. Just a reminder so you can go on to radar dot CNCF.io and read about this in more detail and take a closer look at the projects. And if you want to get involved, then we want to find out what do you want to hear. You can go to this link CNCF.io slash tech dash radar. Just redirects to a GitHub GitHub issue where you can vote on things that you want to see for the next version of this radar. If you want to come in and be part of the radar team like Jackie in Spain and Maya or you want to contribute your viewpoints then please come and join the end user community we'd love to have you. And if you have thoughts about how this could be better, then please send your feedback to info at CNCF.io or just to me. And that is it. I want to say thank you once again to all three of our radar team today for putting the work and the time into this so really appreciate it and really appreciate your time today thank you so much. Thanks Cheryl. Thank you. Thank you show. Let me try and stop this record. Okay.


What's going on, everyone? Sam here with Layton Sportscarge. We're ripping 22, 23, Peninian, Daunress, basketball, team all addition, 20 bucks full case break, number six random team style. Here's a look again at your random results. As always, you can find those on the website, under the results tab, well as a link in chat. Good luck, everybody. Let's do it. Do you like watching Red Zone or a full game better? Red Zone. But at my house, I don't have my TV set. Oh, everywhere? Red Zone. Do you know Bryson? He says he prefers, he hates Red Zone. Oh, he's not a fantasy guy, that's why. Not he is. No, he played one last season of mine, and he didn't play it. He didn't play it here? No, which, you know, whenever. Oh, okay, fair. But yeah, that's why he's not a fantasy dude. We want to see every sport. Yeah, we do. What was I going to do? Oh, I want to see if this is, I think this is random, I think vet-based split. Yep, vet-based split even. All right, good luck. There's a decent amount of top-loading in this. Drew Holiday and Joe Ingalls. I'm going to top-load a couple of the big rookies because they're all going to go anyway. RJ Barrett, Vince Williams Jr. That is a PJ Washington, John Morant, Jane and Ivy Rookie, Aaron, no, Armani Brooks and Jordan Clarkson. I was like, that's not Aaron Brooks. The hell? Max Doss. Ten Box Tuesday coming up next, everybody. Very excited for that. Gonna be a lot of fun as always. That is Vince Williams Jr. Team All Auto. Congrats on that, Grizzlies. Got a couple of these per case. Very nice, very nice. McConnell, Jake LaRavia, Joe Harris and Joshua Primo. Keegan Murray. I'm already a fan of his, because you saw his name. Walker Kessler. I know, yeah. He does have a nice auto. It's short-handed, I will say, to what it is now. Markel Foltz, 225. LeBron, nice one there. Kiehl's J-Dub. Lamello Ball and Jalen Williams, that's J-Will. And Jabari Smith, Jr. Rookie. Chris Duarte, Andrew Nemhardt, O'Shaig Bhaji in there. KD and Davis Bertons, Jaden Ivey Rookie. David Roddy and Kenneth Lawson under other rookies as well. That is Deandre Hunter, Damian Lillard. Jalen Howeyadurin. Howeyadurin, Sean. Not good. So who? Victor Eladipo, 225. Jabari Smith, nice one there. Choice exclusive and a Keegan Murray. So that'll be sort. It's all rookies, so all the rated rookie piles will be sort, and then everything else is split. Iowa Desunmue, Dallin Terry, Michael Porter Jr. and Josh Hart. Michael, get your own possession, Porter Jr. Michael, never swing the rock, Porter Jr. Miles Turner, Doug McDermott, another Keegan Murray, and Walker Kessler. Ari Irving, Isaiah Mobley, Kiehl's and J-Dub. That is Karis Levert and Kevin Herter, Rudy Gaubert, Kennedy Chandler, Sohan Matherin, rookies as well. Is Isaiah Jackson, Josh Christopher, Paolo Rookie, Bo-Champ, Vince Williams, Caleb Martin, and Mike Conley, Jaden Ivey Rookie. Dude, that would be awesome. Anthony Mellon, Zion Williamson, I begin. Kessler and Ryan Rowns, probably not. All right, that is Wendell Carter Jr. and Paul George, Jaden Hardy. Yeah, dude, that's a good idea. Mobley, Jabari Smith, I would say you gotta just see if there's any that are the mint and exclusive ones and then just go from those. And I mean, Mahomes is going to be the best, obviously. I thought, yeah, sure. Sorry, there's a lot on this one. On to the next.  Obi-Top into 25, trust me, I've been having to deal with this since he got drafted. That is Osemein Zheng, Paolo Rookie, Will Barton, and McCall Bridges. Now I know, he's had a rough break in the NFL. Hayes and Danny Green, I feel bad for Dobbins, dude. Jay Neive, and base. He's had a rough go. Kaino, contract here. Al Horford, Max Christie, and he was one of the ones who was super, super vocal. And when those running backs had that Zoom meeting, all the top running backs, he was super vocal about trying to get better deals for running backs as well. They gotta switch up the contract structure. That's what it is. That's really what it is, to be honest, for rookies. Oh, nice. Holmgren, 2 of 10. Going to the Thunder, congrats, Channing. Channing W, dude, that's awesome. That's a big-time card, right there. We'll get that into a match. Congrats, Channing. Cat and Bryce McGowan. Sohan Kaloko. Yanis, Georges Nying, Paolo Rookie, Marjan Bochamp. Dude, that guy's a bot. Yellow card. I already red carded lane today. Threw him out of the room. Simmons and Christian Wood, yeah. He's a bot. Steve. Christian Kaloko to 25. Nice one there. Steve's a bot. Mark Williams. Jaden Ivey. Something else right there. Steve for bots. That's what they should call him. Steve for bots. Because you know why, Sean? He's a bot. Gordon Hayward, Davion Mitchell. Can't believe we all got four. I know. Pascal Siakam, Jeremy Sohan. We do have to get back into four. The golf has been pretty addicting.  The golf's fun. Kelly Ubrey to 25. Two of 25. That is Monte Morse. Usman Jeng. Shade on sharp. Anthony Mista Poisson Otto in Bowman Chrome today. Gary Harris, Dylan Brooks. Dude, Kyle's getting a yellow card. Kyle's getting a yellow for coming in and saying bot. Christian Brown, he might get timed out again. Paolo van Carrol. He might lose mod status. We do. Huge Rangers win. Halliburton IQ. Who'd they play? That's why it was a huge win. There goes Kyle saying unbelievable. Marcus Smart and Devin Booker. Ref clearly saw something he didn't like. So that's why you got the yellow. You got handed the yellow. Bogged on McDonough, it's Tyrese Martin. Yellow card means nothing, dude. Yellow card is the biggest form of disrespect. Disrespect and authority this place has. Yeah. Oh, they play the Blue Jays. That is big. My average time to card is crazy.   Got Steel of the Draft. A.J. Griffin for the Hawks. Nice one there. Congrats. Thank you. There are James picking up a plates and patches spot tomato. Another ref with an eco and up Kendall. Kobe White and DeAndre Aten. Keegan Murray. Walker Kessler. Hey, that's why they pay the refs the big bucks. They make good calls like I do. Make great calls here. Come on, Murray, PJ Tucker. For that's gonna be a yellow on Sean for questioning authority. I want a red. No. It means nothing. That's Chris Duarte and Junem Hart. No, you only get reds if you deserve it. You have not deserved. You had deserved a yellow. KD and a Davis Bertons. Davis. He goes guide made the card. I know. That's what you're saying. That's an official yellow card right there. That is official yellow and red card. It's even more efficient because it doubles as both. It doubles as both Bradley Beal and Zyre Williams. E.J. Liddell. I'm showing like, that's her sister, I think, what I did. Kenny Chandler. And the first video I pulled up right as we start, it's me yellow carding somebody. I had to explain it.  We're like, I have a yellow card and whenever someone is like a bot, there's D'Angelo Russell, Marjon Bochamp.  Probably. Why are you with a loser? It's Luke Canard to 25 for the clips. Malik Monk. He shows you your mind. Very small. Scotty Barnes and Trey Murphy. You think. I told your dad he'd yell professionally. We got a dial you in. It's Cole Anthony and Luca. This kid help now. Blue cards in place since this is indoor. Oh God. Can make that happen for sure. We can get another, we can get another, we can just start giving people like purple cards. We'll start making stuff up. Isaac Acoro and Osha Yagbaji. Chet. Start making stuff up, Sean. You are. We're already delusional. There's Anthony Edwards. Lou Dort. Steve. No views over there. Makes it in. This is a circus. Kyle's here too. Don't forget about that. Trippy. Trippy. Gary Harris, Cameron Johnson. Walker Kessler. Trevor Keehles. Trevor Keehles with the wheels, Sean. Don't talk to me like that. Keras Leverton, John Wall. Those are fighting words. I'll take that as a threat. You say that. Direct threat. I attack. That's Rudy Gobert and Jaden Hardy, Jabari Smith as well. Isaiah Jackson, Kevin Porter. Dude cut me off today. How cheese. To him or to yourself? Well. A little bit of both. Here's the windows right there. Of course, this pinch running for the Braves. What's the person's name? Is it Forrest Something? Blue. Jake LaRavia to 25. Nice one there. Riz. Hey, Andre Drummond. Jabari Smith Rookie. Forrest Wall. There's Fred Van Vleet and Jaren Jackson Jr. A.J. Griffin. E.J. Liddell. Liddell as well. Jalen Suggs, David Roddy. Sexton J. Crowder, Chet Holmgren. And base the fall off of that guy. He needs to be stuck. That guy disappeared. Roddy Rich. I think he went two times flat though. Nice. Blue. Lonnie Walker to 25. Laurie Markman. A. Chet. Rookie. Let me get killed. No. Jeez. Tyson Tangles. Chill. There's Kobe White, Deandre Aten, Jamal Murray, PJ Tucker, Paolo Rookie, and Marjondo Chan. He's offloading. There's two per pack. That's the thing. I mean, you're getting just straight in one box. You're getting eight. At least. Joellen Bede and Malcolm Brogdon. Keegan Murray, Jabari Walker. Blue. Peyton Watson to 25. Nice one there for the Nuggets. Story Infinity Smith. Walker Kessler. Tara Eason. Trevor Keels with the wheels. Foltz and A. J. Griffin. Steal the draft, A. J. Griffin. Where some people say allege steal the draft. There is Garland and Lexi Fogoshevsky. Jabari Smith. And base. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. Lucy Lane on Fanatics Live every now and then. It's going to be a party. Oshaik Baji. Nice one there for the jazz on the auto. Maxi and Boyan McDonwich. Oh, Luke Travers. Chat Rookie. Blue. Patty Mills to at 25. A. Malik Beasley. Nicola Vucevich. Tramon Green. Matherin and Tsai-Tai. Blue is PJ Tucker to at 25. And A. Russell Westbrook. Is Kam Reddish, J. Sean Tate. And Galt on PGA. Lowry and Dallin Terry. He stinks. Did you lose with him to somebody? I only got played with him. Really? Levine and, uh, I think that was John. Guthridge, J. Go 3. Well, you're the only one who hasn't beaten Dylan and Jake or Dylan and Matt. That's bad, dude. They have quit the game because of lack of skill and you have not beaten them yet. We shot 16 under when we went to the playoff hole, dude. I don't know how the hell they did that. 16 under. That's wild. Trey Young, Jonas Valenskunis. Both games. That's something must have happened. So everything went right on that one. I think they were putting some sort of a she-po on it. Yeah, Chet Holmgren, Zepo and Wiggins. Guthridge, J. Go 3. Not playing well. No, if it's Guthridge, J. Go 3. It's dripping new. What are we doing? Marta Rosen, Denny and Bea. Split it. And Bates. Well, whoever's best goes with Kyle. So probably me and Jake, you and Kyle. Yeah. So a quick recap here, everybody. Thanks again. We had Autos. That is Oshai Gbaji, A.J. Griffin, Vince Williams, and a Chet Holmgren to 10. I'll do it for the break, everyone. Thanks again for the pill. Ten Box Tuesday coming up.


Hey, this is Brett, and this 2022 Hyundai Elantra N package is stock number 24T29B. I am here at Summit Automotive in Vondelac, Wisconsin, near New and use sports car headquarters. This 2022 Hyundai Elantra N has the upgraded 2-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder engine, puts out 276 horsepower and 289 foot-pounds of torque. It's paired up with the 8-speed automatic dual clutch transmission. This car has been fully safety and inspected by our service shop, has a fresh oil and filter change. All the fluids have been checked and topped off, and this car is 100% ready to go. Really a good looking car, kind of rare I've never seen an N package Elantra before, but what I'm going to do in this video is go all the way around, inside, start it up, take a look under the hood. Show you the options on the interior, the best that I can, and give you the most accurate representation that I can of the car. Performance blue is the color. I shoot all my videos in 4K. If you like the video, consider subscribing to the YouTube channel, click the bell notifications and get updates on the videos I do each and every day, as well as having access to one of the largest catalogs of sports car walk-arounds and vehicle walk-arounds on YouTube, almost 9,000 videos in county and actually over 9,000 videos. So the N package gives you the 19-inch painted and polished aluminum wheels. These wheels are absolutely perfect. It also gives you bigger brakes in the front here. It has Michelin Pilot Sport tires, so really good tires on here. And the size on these are 245, 35, ZR19s, and they have a very good amount of tread left. I know you really can't see in there, so maybe check the front here. Got a good idea of the tire tread on there and depth, but very nice wheels on this vehicle. This whole car is exceptionally clean all the way around. It does have the LED headlamps and running lights. I'm going to turn all those on at the end of the video so you can see just how bright they are. The N package is also trimmed out with this red lower valance all the way around the car. Looks really good. The hood is in fantastic condition. I didn't see any dents or dings on there. I didn't see any dents or dings or imperfections really anywhere on this vehicle. It is super clean. Passenger side front fender, absolutely perfect. And the passenger side front wheel, no major scuffs or scrapes on there. It does still have the sticker on it from when it was brand new, so that's pretty neat as well. Like I said, passenger side front fender looks really good. And as you go down this side of this 2022 Hyundai Elantra N package, take note of how clean that body is, how reflective and mirror-like that paint is. Like I said, no dents or dings. I take these HD videos so if you are far away or even if you're close by and you just cannot make the trip down but you're still interested in purchasing the vehicle, you can see the car, hear the car, and have confidence in the vehicle that you're looking at before you even get here. So when you do get here, there's absolutely no surprises or if you get the car shipped to you, you'll know exactly what you're going to be getting. And if this video helps you make a smart buying decision or just make the decision to come take a look at the car, let your salesmen know that you saw the video, that it was helpful and that Brett sent you. Back wheels are in excellent shape as well. 245, 35 ZR19s back here, too. And the back tires have just as much tried as the front tires. Frame and underbody is in really nice condition from what you can see. Let's see if I can turn that light on. This one does have a sport tune suspension in it as well. It also has variable exhaust which we'll turn it on later and check out that exhaust because it sounds really good for an Elantra and it does have the backup parking sensors. The trunk lid and spoiler are in excellent condition. I didn't see any dents or dings on there. Has the trunk popper back here as well. Has a front license plate holder. You can fold those seats down. It also has a roll bar or a brace back here I should say. And now you can put those seats down with the button there. You get a little bit of storage under here. You also have a tire inflator kit but a nice all-weather mat back here as well. Inside the trunk looks like new and that shuts nice and solid. Also does have the LED tail lamps. Coming down the driver's side just as clean as that passenger's side. No major dents or dings on the rear quarter or door and for full disclosure this back wheel is just as nice as the rest. Down the rest of this side of the car doors all look fantastic. You do get the blind spot monitoring built in directional signals on there. Take a quick look at the back seats. You get these suede and leather seats back here. Latch child safety system for any child car seats you may have. And like I said these seats are locked on me but get a release and then pull it down pretty much the same time. You get the performance blue stitching on the seats as well. Factory floor mats back here. Child safety locks on the back doors inside the bottoms of the doors all look fantastic of course. And wait till you see these front seats these things are really cool.  You get the suede inserts on the backrest. You also get the lighted up end in the backrest as well. Really cool seats no rips or tears on them. Driver seat height adjuster. You get the N Elantra floor mats the bright pedals down there. Lane departure warning stability control power windows locks and mirrors. You get the suede insert on the doors as well. Looks really good it does have the Bose premium sound system. We'll hop inside check out the miles radio everything that this car has to offer on the interior. You can see this one has 6,989 miles on it you get the nice big instrument cluster right there. Let's say it's probably about a 12 inch instrument cluster. Instrument cluster is very nice and clean. You get the special steering wheel with the N logo on it. The performance blue stitching and the leather. The thumb pads on there as well. Lane keep assist cruise controls, NGS not really sure. Got shifters on here for I'm guessing different modes. Bluetooth controls right there. You also get the touch screen radio. This one has the factory navigation system on it. See if I can get to the map here. Anyways, let's start it up. So there's the map right there. Please proceed to the highlighted route then the route. There's highway 41 so you know that is working properly. Let's go to radio. You get AM FM and your different Sirius XM radio capabilities on here and then all your different apps. If you go to the home screen, bear with me I'm not used to this radio. So you get Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on there as well sounds of nature that looks pretty cool. Impressive. There we go. So it's actually an ambient sound. Oh that is so cool. Warm fireplace, snowy village, mildly forest. So that's all really cool stuff on there. Down here your volume and tune controls as well as your heated seat buttons there. You get a wireless cell phone charge pad, USB and a USB charger. Here's that shifter for that 8 speed automatic transmission. The leather wrapped with the performance blue inlay and the performance blue stitching. And then the other different drive modes which we're going to start it up in just a second here and check out all those passenger side format and seat are in excellent condition. This car has never been smoked in, smells very clean inside. It does come with the power sunroof. Up here are map lights, SLS buttons and an auto dimming mirror. Alright let's start it up and we'll listen to that exhaust also check out the different drive modes here. You get a digital turbo and torque on there so that's really cool. Digital spinometer, digital tack, miles per gallon, outside temp, all that good stuff. So these buttons, the end buttons changes your drive mode here. So you got eco mode, normal and sport and then the NGS Grinch if conditions not met. So anybody knows what that button does, I didn't have time to research it but let me know in the comments below. There's your backup camera and that is working nicely. Alright let's go listen to the exhaust, take a look under the hood. Oh look at you get that performance blue ambient lighting on the dash as well. That looks really cool. Very very cool car. This exhaust sounds really good, love the LED lights that go all the way across. Definitely has a nice rumble to it. I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today and hopefully from this HD video you've been able to verify the quality condition options and of course cleanliness of this car, this thing is just about as clean as a used vehicle comes in with any sort of miles on it. See those LED lights there, they are very bright, look really good and under the hood we have the 2.0 liter turbocharged four cylinder engine. Engine base very clean runs very smooth, 276 horsepower actually, 75 more horsepower than the 1.6 liter turbo that's also in the Elantra N line package and definitely more horsepower than the base engine which is just a 2 liter normally aspirated I believe it's only 147 horsepower but anyways engine base very clean runs very smooth. Once again this car has been fully safe and inspected by our service shop as a fresh oil and filter change. The fluids have been checked and topped up, there is the emission sticker and this car is 100% ready to go. I would highly recommend it from a quality and condition standpoint, I would highly recommend if you like this car to call immediately I'm sure it's going to go very fast. And to see more pictures of this car or one of our other 550 new and used cars, trucks, SUVs, minivans, Wranglers, sports cars, if you name it we got to go to the website right there at summitauto.com, full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle all at summitauto.com. If you'd like to check out more HD videos you can go to youtube.com slash summitauto, click the bell notifications, get updates on the videos I do each and every day as well as having access to one of the largest catalogs of vehicle and sports car walkarounds on YouTube 9000 videos and counting and just updated videos each and every day. 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