past you have low factor numbers. We're at we're in the 90% which is which is incredibly good and a great number to share with our airline partners, especially when we tell them we need more planes because we're building the planes that you're bringing in right now, which will of course help our overall numbers. You can look last year August 2022 comparison we're only in the 80% mid 80s on our low factor number or number of seats filled on a particular plane. From a fiscal year perspective, which is really hard to compare right now because it's only two months that we're looking at, we're less than 2% compared to 2019 and we're again around six six and a half percent of our 2019 numbers fiscal year. Well, 660,000 that's only 40,000 short of our peak here. So we're getting there we're really close single digit numbers and I think we're doing all the right work to increase our number faster. Is it for business time? July and August are very peak months. September always dips down you can you can see that on the on the chart it's it's almost incredibly matching you know the trend is incredibly matching even through COVID. So October though always peaks up so when we report on October numbers which we're still collecting excuse me September we'll have a dip we're still collecting our September numbers at the conclusion of October we'll see that peak.  There's Indigenous People's Day, there's Canadian Thanksgiving next week so there's a lot of holidays happening in October not to mention why wouldn't you come to the volunteer in October it's pretty amazing and then November it'll dip down again that's all I have to report. Great if there's any comments or questions on the good sense agenda. Looking at the info on page six which just has information on the air carriers, air taxi, general aviation, military and there's a substantial drop this month compared to last July July of this year compared to July of last year for military flights down 20 over 20%. Any insight as to why that drop exists? There's a couple reasons this is July numbers so we were we received that data point from the FAA directly which is utilized behind that's why it's only July the Vermont International Guard did have a training mission that they went out of state for for a little while that could have and would have contributed to that decrease in numbers and then it's a matter of their training capacity and their training missions. Now we compared that to 2018 2017 those numbers would be most likely significantly decreased when there were full F16 operations so there is a pretty major change in a decreased number of operations happening with military and that number also includes transient military aircraft not just state aircraft so it's a big share of all of that because my first thought was oh well that might make sense because of the recent accident that occurred with the F-35 that just went down some neighborhood in South Carolina maybe they put them on hold and then I saw that actually this is a couple months behind right so just a follow-up with that did you hear anything from the Vermont National Guard concerning that accident perhaps because oftentimes when you hear about an accident the military immediately says we're going to wait for it and take a look at what happened and why any aircraft make sense any info from for Mount National Guard on that so there there are different versions of the F-35 and right now the well not right now but the Air Force flies the F-35A model there's there's different versions that there's different reasons for looking at the the technology and any any investigation that might have happened I've received no information from the Air National Guard on productive flights due to that for some reason but I certainly be something I can ask them to follow up on they were the Marines that were flying there right wasn't it the Marine Corps yeah which is the B model the VTOL this is Stacey Levely by the way she is we've introduced her to you before but just by name but this is Stacey she's our new operations penetrant so yeah the Marine Corps flies that F-35B which is the vertical takeoff planning version and what I would say is whether it really is you miss or is any other comments sir all right all those in favor of adopting the content the consent agenda please signify by saying aye aye any opposed any abstentions that carries we move on to section five of the agenda which is action items the first is 5.01 I'm sorry 5.01 I'd be willing to entertain a motion to recommend the city council approve a five-year contract with Consola with Consolaway systems for resource recovery services at the airport and this move by Ellen second and seconded by Greg and discussion to be led by Larry all right we go out for proposals every five years five years was up a few months ago so we went out for RP Consola was the only proposal in this case the price didn't change significantly in line with what we would anticipate also include this which most people will see as we are getting new receptacles because these kind of get clogged up and a little bit harder to use their beauty they're nice looking everything but we need some a little bit more functional so they'll include I think there's 27 new receptacles for the material see the recycling waste and that we that people drop so this is a five-year contract Marie might be able to speak this better I can but usually it's 45 50 thousand dollars a year in costs but it's based on what's generated so the cost we do rent the compactors from them and all the containers you know the big one you know the roll-offs dumpsters and they provide the receptacles or I guess that's it and any questions I'm curious how often do they pick up it's it's whenever they they they monitor it as needed oh they wait for one of the big receptacles to be full right it's it's a few times a week so yeah it's a few times a week it's it depends how busy we are they they monitor that and pick up as so we never never have an issue sounds like there's a capacity gauge warning light when it reaches 90 percent they become aware and it's a compactor too so it's it's not just a little dumpster along with um uh grease uh what's the word I'm looking for grease receptacles out in our dumpster area not not compost with yes not those receptacles and of course your cycle yeah and our recycling numbers of versus waste are really good at the airport we've done really well better than statewide so well that's good all right commissioners any further discussion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye any opposed any suggestions that carries we move on to item 5.2 I'd be willing to entertain a motion to approve an increase of available airport technical q permits from 60 to 90 moved by Helen second second by Greg discussion nick if you can lead that and then paul if you'd like to chime in after nick that would be great great so just a little bit of background on uh both the authority of the airport commission which generally is only to approve taxi q permit increases is the authority of the airport commission as well as the logistics of purchasing and going through q permit requests and permit applications at the airport so paul hines is here of course paul has been really instrumental along with the rest of the board uh and i know uh unis is one of our taxi drivers also sits on the board and very invested in these conversations uh if you recall a few months ago i met with unis to rearrange and change signage with and end the team to make sure wayfinding to the queue line in the taxi system is a little bit more clear from a passenger experience perspective from a q permit perspective to operate out of the the late airport you need a q permit to get a q permit for if you need a burlington city licensed uh through the the board and the the city of burlington that's a prerequisite to a q permit currently we sell 50 of those q permits at the airport uh with struggles and challenges of quantity of drivers available specifically at various uh various times of the day or more specifically the times of the night we really need an additional number of drivers there are additional conversations happening on how do we incentivize how do we change the program to really incentivize more drivers in particular times as well as additional technology that we would allow access to our queue land for this line outside of our front terminal building the the authorization granted by the burlington code of ordinances does grant the airport commission the authority and uh through this ordinance to increase the number of queue permits we did raise the number of queue permits approximately eight or nine years ago um and that was again it was a raise an increase of of permits up to this 60 number that we currently sell today uh as as the memo states there we sell 60 the waitlist currently is is about 50 and sometimes over 50 so increasing this number is is really really critical to to allow more drivers and small business owners and operators to to access the airport and and use the facility along with our passenger experience we want to make sure we have that availability it's also really important to share and i don't want to speak too much uh for paul so i'm going to hand it right over to just a second uh paul and board also wrote a modernization memo which does address many many many items that that'll let paul go through but there's a specific section specific to the airport not only raising the number of key permits was a recommendation but also the accountability of those key permits we're seeing permits being shifted permits being moved and if if folks aren't using it or if an operator or her or a driver is not using those key permits we we need to address some uh additional authorities that the commission might have or operational authorities that you and i might have to make changes with key permits meaning revulsion revulsion of key permits and reassigning them to somebody else not a waitlist that is very much needed to to operate uh so my request to you today is of course your your mode in there is to increase the number of key permits sold uh from 60 to 90 uh and i'll hand it over to paul to uh paul still if uh if you want to say that i'll hand it back to you if you know okay no better paul very enough thank you next paul yeah thanks i appreciate the opportunity to to talk with y'all um i just as a quick context on how this bring up i i um i'm a fairly frequent flyer out of the airport and um i am the kind of an office lead for a company for a vermont office of a company my company called energy hub and a lot of people come in and out to it's kind of become the vermont retreat center for our local um for the company and um and as a result like a lot of people are coming in and out taking taxis getting you know from the airport to their hotels and things like that and uh you know universally the experience has not been very good with the taxi system to be frank um you know i've had a number of occasions where i've shown up my flights a bit late show up after midnight and there are no taxis available um and so i've either had to beg a ride from somebody or call my wife in the middle of the night or whatever that's not not ideal and you know i had one circumstance where i arrived there were no taxis waited for about an almost 45 minutes and then we got one but they charged like just a crazy amount and there were two of us in the taxi and the other woman didn't speak english it was just generally not a great experience and i really feel like you know a lot of travelers the first experience they have with burlington is the taxi system and so it's important for us to to make sure that that's a that's a positive experience i think um so just to kind of highlight a few things that we've uh outlined in the memo i think the rates are lower than what we see across the region and so we're going to have to look into the rates and so that's that's on our on the taxi or the vehicle for higher boards remit so we're working on that but just as a forewarning that's something that you'll probably see we are going to look at an alternative to conventional metering you know conventional taxi meters are are expensive they're hard to maintain we can't do sort of it's not easy to do things that change based on time of day with the conventional taxi meter so we're going to look at a mobile app based solution for metering that where customers can verify you know what the charge is and but i think the thing is that from that that we'd like to do collaboratively if and when we're able to develop something is to make sure that customers know that that's that there's a new system make sure that customers know the rates and make sure the customers expect the driver to use the system because currently almost none of the taxi drivers are are using the meter in the queue it's making so it's this weird thing where where like you show up and you have no idea how much you're going to be charged and it's sometimes like kind of a bizarre amount so that kind of gets to my third item which is driver education we'd like to you know as we move along in this process develop work with with you all to to develop some better signage at the airport and the the city will also be sending out some some better communication to drivers to make sure that they know what the what their obligations responsibilities are and i yeah i really appreciate you addressing the issue of permits you know the fact that some of us are are waiting after midnight without a ride home but yet there are 50 people in the queue not able you know who would like to help drive help with that circumstance seems like seems like a fairly easy win and so i would definitely like to see how we can get more drivers out there particularly in the late night hours and so addressing the queue seems like a good first step in that direction and i agree i i think paul on the board and the team is really educated myself and the team at the airport to make sure we're headed in the right direction but i like the words that paul use i think this is a good first step i think for us allowing additional queue permits to be sold here is of course very important as a first step but we really need to incentivize we need a new program to incentivize people so that they're using 50 people in the queue at midnight and how to do that we're trying to group not just with the airport industry outside of our state but also around the country there's there's really fascinating programs that are out there there's great technology which is really exciting to hear that the vehicle for our board is looking at that technology for meter and systems and there's technology at airports for access control and availability of coming in maybe at a reduced rate during certain times of day to to increase that that incentive to be here so those are kind of the short-term goals of of creating a better system specifically here at the airport in conjunction with all of paul's work downtime and i do want to just say too for any listeners but boards understand that there is a complaint process that the city does have so if if rates are being gouged if there's not you know if there's not certain things that are being offered there is a website there is information available online that doesn't come to us anymore it used to be at the airport commission level but things got rearranged a few years ago that doesn't come to us anymore so there are there are complaint processes for members of the public to go through if there are concerns specific with a driver to clean these two two rates well how much of the five hundred dollars just the airport retention all of it yes so that funds the processes that we have in place that's correct okay that's correct and that rate has changed since i've been here nine almost 11 years that's a quick question during those times when there's no taxis available like are the rideshare absolutely viable option yeah i can speak to that i um you know basically after about 11 o'clock there i have seen i've not yet seen availability of uber lift you know they are available you see people downtown they work sort of okay during daylight hours but um they're you know almost no one is driving uber lift later than that right that's very yeah that's very consistent with what we're hearing and seeing directly at the airport too now um and i would add to that i think there's less drivers on the uber and lift worlds right now too um i don't know if that's consistent with what you're you're hearing and seeing too well but i think but i think all around it is but certainly i have those midnight hours yeah we it was it was actually interesting we had a discussion you know unis is is a driver's taxi driver and he said a lot of the people who are sort of new americans are are not or do not sign up for uber and lift they feel like that system doesn't necessarily treat them very well um and so um but there is an opportunity in the taxi system and so it seems like there's more people who are wanting to drive through the taxi system and if that's the case and you know i feel like let's figure out how to do it really well so you have you have all the information you have the your your authority to do this of course you have paul's um uh and the board's uh monitoring modernization memo which is which is highly detailed really really good and um and that is our request for you thank you miss or is any other questions or comments on this topic okay great um i agree that um it makes sense to increase the number of permits i'm a little concerned that that the larger issue isn't being addressed uh and i don't think that it's your i don't think it's the airport staff to responsibility to address that especially the way that it's set up you just don't have that authority um and i'm just wondering if there's if there's some way that you and the staff can bring this to the intention of city council or the i mean i just searched the board of code of ordinances and i couldn't find anything that specifies what those requirements are other than that you need to get a license and um for just opening up to more people without uh clearly identifying uh the the possible harm that could occur i'm not opposed to it but i'm just hoping that that the second half of this can be addressed in some way that uh that that makes sense and and you're talking specific about incentivizing our lack of availability after a certain hour or i'm more concerned about the requirements or lack thereof uh for people who are in that queue there's no signage i don't i mean i i can tell you a story i don't want to get bogged down to it but gotta arrive from someone after midnight same sort of situation there wasn't really anyone there and it was really dark it was misty out couldn't really see who had permits i was just glad there was someone there and but you know and i wasn't that and yeah there was no meter the guy said where are you going gave me the price he could have said four times that price i probably still would have taken it but i'm more worried about someone uh you know someone that may not feel comfortable getting into that type of a situation like tax again it was completely dark right i mean there were no interior lights uh was it clean i mean i couldn't tell i couldn't tell it was completely dark it was so dark you know and i had just called the cab and so i said well i better do the right thing call the cab company tell them that i gotta ride from someone did that put my phone down and it was so dark that when we got off i left my phone in the guy's car yeah and luckily i got on my ipad and tracked my phone and the guy was coming back here uh to the airport sort of met him there he saw me he right now he immediately uh gave me my wallet and everything was secured the phone in the wallet was in there was a super nice guy he was a recent uh american from kenya i was talking to him about that but um i just i wasn't concerned about it but i'm just like my wife would have freaked out yeah so this is definitely on our agenda as a part of this overall modernization um you know one of the reasons i'm interested in a mobile app-based solution is that that would provide kind of a bread come tracking if um that you would know you know you would know in advance how far you're going that how much that's going to cost and there's also some you know there's gps coordinates so you know where the car went if the car went really to the wrong place at least police would have a record of where it went that's not perfect but at least people would know that there's somebody watching um and you know safety and cleanliness are definitely are so there is a in the ordinance and i don't know the numbers but there is there is a uh like a passenger bill of rights that has some rules about this stuff but honestly those rules are not being enforced or followed and so you know it's it's on the the vehicle for our licensing board to work with city council to try to figure out how we can update those rules and get them enforced and um paul are you are you also working on you know some of the requirements of what drivers are supposed to have inside the car whether it's the bill of rights where you find the bill of rights to what standard taxi rates are and you know rate obligations whether it's at the airport or otherwise are you also working on that on the floor yeah that's uh that's part of this modernization so signage and driver education sort of what what what information needs to go where is is on our agenda what um what's the time frame for um adoption of these um ordinances that will clean them up and bring it into the 21st century do you know i mean i know that like the purchasing process is not as fast as we might all want it to be um and so for developing the replacement for meters for example that's probably going to take us six to nine months maybe um if hopefully less than that the updating the rates i hope that we'll do that actually sooner than that but then how we're going to get that the meters to change the rates is a little unclear but i expect we'll update the rates soon i expect we'll probably come back to the airport with some requests for signage soon in the next couple months probably um and uh yeah so anyway somewhere between the next month and the next nine months thank you um you said something too early about the um making sure city council is is aware and whatnot so of course this memo and and the work that paul and board does to go goes directly uh to city council and from my experience and i i bet you paul says saying there are many city counselors that are highly engaged in not just the airport conversation but the overall conversation to make make these these changes and of course i don't want to speak for you paul but let's spend money experience process yeah i've been working pretty closely with uh with mark barlow who's on the transportation committee so i think the transportation committee is going to take this up shortly and so other other folks are working on it mr is any other discussion all right i have a few points just to go over um are there any potential unfavorable consequences of expanding the number of permits you know are how have we asked the 60 current any of the current 60 permit holders how they fero feel about this going to 90 or have a sense of any concerns they might have um one of them is a a board member on the vehicle for hire committee which which has recommended the increase um i think one of the the uh consequences that i can think of is is currently potentially happening now which is folks purchasing a q permit and not using it and that is a concern that i have too we don't have the tracking or method yet or procedures yet to to make sure that every q permit that we sell is is routinely operating here uh and that's also i believe with the recommendations in in the paul and board's memo is to do that and to um revoke those licenses and and give it to the most person indeed the q of the q permits right yeah i'm talking specifically about concerns of going from 60 to 90 not like i understand exactly what you just said but are there are there any concerns of the people involved those permits currently about an expanded number of permits like they won't be able to make enough money yeah that kind of catch because there's dilution in the number of people yeah i do have have heard from unis concerns that during sort of peak daytime hours the q for the driver q can get kind of long um my hope is that if we i think part of what's going on there is that um the experience is not great and people are that rumor gets around pretty fast and so people are finding other ways to get where they want to go my hope is that if we upgrade the experience there'll be more drivers which will kind of move the q along on other times better but i you know that's to be determined whether that's real or not so yeah because one of the i mean again again i'm generally supportive of this but i want to just just flush some of this out without really revamping or looking at the data of permits versus how many people actually come it's possible that we expand the number of q permits and there isn't a measurable increase in service right so i'm just curious and maybe this is a little granular but i like data so i'm gonna ask it anyway like do we have do we have a way to compare the holders of q permits to how many of that companies or if it's a single person how many times they came to the airport to pick up passengers is that is that data that we we can easily obtain um no no we don't we don't have that data we don't collect the data our our responsibilities on the on the front end of the airport are both security related customer service related and so tracking mean manually tracking every vehicle and q number that comes through here is is not something that we can do every single day every hour however if we go to a digital system that that is probably something more for it maybe it's a maybe it's a phased approach where literally the the sticker that we sell which is what the q permit is right now that goes on the side of the park maybe that is a a digital sticker of some sort that that scans as you go by automatically because i agree with you we we don't have the data nor have we ever had the data that i to to really look at the indies numbers okay so i think all of those things that you're talking about are possible concerns okay because so then the underutilization of the existing permits is more anecdotal than anything we can measure that's correct okay yeah so okay and then regarding the sign the signage issue so i guess paul this is more for you that i think most people will probably have their dissatisfaction with the service towards the end of their journey as opposed to start so you're like i'm just curious what you know because we could put signs up you know here at the airport like if you have a bad ride call whatever go to this website and no one's going to make a note of it right they're going to get in the then like oh my god what was that number again right so is that what you're talking about paul like there'd be some kind of of signage inside the vehicle and if so how would that be enforced uh so i i'm i'm still not sure on enforcement i think that's that's honestly one of my big question marks is how do we enforce these things but i do like the idea of putting signage inside the vehicle that seems like an appropriate thing i do think that signage at the airport could help a bit just so that people know like honestly i wrote taxi for a long time had no idea that there even was someone to complain to if things went wrong so um you know just some awareness of the rules and if drivers know the passengers know what the rules are that i think that could help a little bit but uh but i agree that like both signage at the airport and signage in the vehicle uh would be helpful both things signage at the airport we can make immediate so we you know when we have a recommendation just like we we work with unison we can make signage changes left and right almost immediately both from well considering all of this conversation we can we can do that uh next week if we can get it done okay great i guess might just find the comment will be uh you know at five hundred dollars a permit 30 more permits is 15 000 a year and it'd be great if we could use that 15 dollar 15 000 to invest in technology so we can see who's coming here and doing what and and i do think that we should be looking into a process of revoking uh permits or not renewing depending on the severity uh for lack of you know visits to the airport right it seems like it might be helpful too to um incentivize um and also either augment or limit the number the times for your permit so you don't have 35 cars in a row in the middle of the day when everyone likes to drive and two at midnight right but either you incentivize the midnight crowd or somehow yeah but maybe that's the technology piece you you're and maybe you can charge more at midnight i mean that could be an incentive for someone to say well yeah i'm gonna stay up because i can make more money i have to work as many hours and that serves the public better i i agree with what you're saying and there are a couple of conversations that we've had internally where maybe we do only sell 45 permits from midnight to noon and 45 permits from noon to midnight and those are your your time slots i don't know what the the wordy uh that ordinance is right now to do something like that and then on your second point of uh incentivizing a lower cost to operate here during certain times of day right now our transportation network companies uber and lyft they get charged per pick up and and drop off so is there is this something that we can also institute as part of a few permit system where you might get a charge let's say two dollars which is why uber and lyft gets charged two dollars per pick up and drop off during six a.m. to six p.m. and only a dollar after those time periods right uh to to to do exactly what you're saying to to you know yeah to do exactly what you're saying that technology piece i think is going to have to come with time and research oh sure you have to infrastructure no with the baseline is you don't know that yet commissioners any further discussion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying hi any post any abstentions carries we move on to fight all thank you paul thanks all take care we move on now to item 5.3 i'd be willing to entertain a motion to recommend that the city council approve an amendment to the existing contract for jacob's engineering group for the north concourse replacement project i love it it's moved by howland second second by grant discussion to be led by nick and larry okay um approximately well a year ago we came asking for uh authorization to move forward with the 30 design by jacob's engineering group for the next project the north concourse replacement project um a couple months ago you saw what it's looking like and how we're moving forward so now it's time to move into final design bid or well we we hired a construction manager at risk which they'll bid the project to multiple subcontractors this money is for final design and construction oversight on in one ask here um it's been through all the review process required by the fba jacob has done a great job for us in comparison we typically see for uh engineering design and construction service in a range of 18 to 25 percent in total we're just recently working a lot with gsa they plan 45 percent for engineering services for design and construction which i can understand why but um this is about this based about 10 or 12 percent for the entire project or the cost of the project so i think we're getting a bargain and even our discussions with an engineer today we anticipate even the construction uh services our resident project representative will be less as we did with the tip project you know or we monitored that closely and we only allowed so many hours a day because she it's not like watching other types of projects when the building's going off so this will finish the project this will get us pricing and this will get us to a grant application by early next year and also this will get us that oversight assistance we need during construction of that project one one of the big things that have uh like larry was saying that have changed since we went we had our architects in here presenting uh the full project is we did go out to bid we did the design work that you've approved in the prior authorization uh that all went out to bid and now we're now able to say that we selected this construction manager which has been selected as angle berth construction um so now angle berth is on site and that's why we're bringing this additional contract to you so that jacob's and now angle berth can continue concurrently together to finish this this design like larry said angle berth is going to be going out to all their subs later in the year um we're going to be back to you a couple more times throughout this process one this is of course designing the rest of the project but we still need authorization for the grant we're still going to be coming back for the angle berth contract which i am pleased to say that the angle berth did bid zero dollars for pre-construction services meaning everything from here until a guaranteed maximum price they are not going to charge us today of course that'll probably carry through into a guaranteed maximum price as part of the charging contract um and that will come back to you as well that that will be much closer to 60 70 percent design maybe a little bit further along along with the grant um authorization and acceptance uh request uh we're we're making significant progress of course we're going through additional uh checklist with the f a we're going through uh many different financial checklist to make sure that this is not only in line with the 34 million dollars that has been appropriated for the project but also in line with our passenger facility charge program which will cover the local share of the project as well as any ineligible costs which which then will be some ineligible costs mostly related to the office and nine public space let me rephrase that non-security area public space which is generally the only area that the f a pays for so there's other smaller spaces and and the third floor observation area that will not be fundable but we have a very grant fundable but we have very creative ways to represent that in future meetings today what we're asking for is a lot of contracts with jacob's engineering but again like larry said very consistent in analyzed by independent fee analysis to make sure that it's consistent not just with market design contracts but also with f a requirements it gives us the pricing to move to get the grant to move the construction so and this does also include not just the new building that we we're so excited and have been for some time but this also includes renovation of this entire second floor and it all besides the spaces that we already just renovated as well as new jet bridges and really making sure that the flow from our new building that the tip building all the way to our next built all right kim sure is any comments or questions great great uh jacob's was the group that gave us the presentation last correct very impressive i can't remember because i was just so grossed and individuals if they've done something like this before outside of this airport jacob's is a really kind of a worldwide but mostly united states known airport terminal design company they give massive buildings at denver all the way all over the country yeah and secondly just want to have clarity in terms of something that larry mentioned he said that we can't really get the the grants until we deal with this contract is that correct correct we do not apply for a grant for construction until we have hard um uh big numbers um mix away or and typically the fba requires a full design to happen all the way to 100 and that full design obviously goes out to bid we have a contractor that bids on it and we select the contractor most appropriate for the project then we apply for the grant in this project we're going as a construction manager at risk so that's why angle berth is with us at only 30 design and they're going to get us to around 70 to 80 design and then come out with a guaranteed maximum price that guaranteed price that goes into the grant application so we don't necessarily have to design it up to 100 so we're going to get the grant much earlier than we typically do and there's no savings necessarily but from a cash flow perspective we don't have to spend that 20% for example to get to 100 design before the grant actually comes in and there's no surprise with the design bid you open the pricing and there's an extra million dollars there and you have to start value engineering which is really cutting stuff so this we can control that that's where the savings come in because now the angle berth angle for the contractor manager comes in helps design this project and finds a best way the best pricing for the project on every single corner so there is no surprises we know what the cost is going to be very very much on the front and we're totally confident that the FA will fund it yes it's congressionally directed spending money's already appropriated we of course that's 90% right yeah so that that's a great question right because sometimes I know there's a lot of money it's just to spend and then have your fingers crossed that you're going to get the yeah so so it's appropriated it's fairly federally appropriated it's it's a congressionally directed spending but of course that's all in the legislative language but more importantly it's in the national plan for the FAA specifically with our name on it 34 million dollars it's an RCIP and FAA joins us every single meeting that we go through so they know they know just as much as we do about what's coming down and the funding for the FAA is not general fund appropriation is that it's from fees and things from airport fees that's right that the super fund comes from taxes from airline tickets so the case before the supreme court could really screw this up or not the the Santa Clara case yeah the one with the the money that you whatever it is that's not PayPal but what is it called oh when you court people go and get a loan oh like payday loans payday loans in there at this end the payday loan people are challenging whether you can have that sort of not off the book but things like I think the FAA medicare all sorts of things the you know all sort of the stuff that we all use that isn't really appropriated it's gathered through fees and costs and it's earmarked for these kinds of projects and so supreme court both the payday apparently because people are afraid it would just blow it all up which would be you know just sort of this 50 year or 100 year process of yeah we set aside money from like banks and stuff for the federal reserve that's not tax dollars that's the the bank fees we'll pay them but not through our income tax so this was sort of interesting to think about some and the FAA would be one piece of that I think I am unfamiliar with that but it definitely would want to do more research on it let's get a vote before they get a decision but it's just it's one of those you know you don't really think about it and then supreme court makes some cock-a-may-meet decision kind of versus payphone california case one yeah but I was just you know listening to we can check into that the impact maybe it's a different academic okay well yeah well this is where you're finding right yeah we will you know okay in new medicare right we we have never been given any indication from FAA or our federal legislators about looking into that case since the first time here you know so well it's not your case until they right make a decision that might have a cascading effect it's only about paypal but the but the president but there are the the president yeah and then the people who are trying to get against their saying you know at least it means a lot of really big programs so it's just interesting have to be careful with that so any questions just so when we just broader perspective when we talk about the 34 million dollars if that's all presumably 10 local share where where is our 3.4 million going to come from right it's a little bit more 3.4 percent be closer 3.9 inch percent um so most of that would come from any eligible portion would come from a passenger facility charge program okay so that would go into a different process different grant application it's not called a grant application but a different process through the FAA to make sure that our recovery of passenger facility charges can't reimburse ourselves for the 3.4 million plus million and we have enough passengers to yeah that's right yeah so we have we usually get work on 2.8 million per year depending on the year depending on the year and those those are directly from ticket sales and we can save that to use for at least we have to do applications and yeah we just submit and we prepare put together an application there are uses that we can go ahead and do that authorized uses of the pfc funds and so we put that together right because you you are collecting we have to have the authority to collect so we do the 30 the button authority to use and and from a of course that's from a budgetary perspective and then from a cash flow perspective that's one of the reasons why you see the the healthiest cash balance that we've ever had at the airport and that's when they increase with closeouts of FAA grant projects so when the FAA receivable receivable number comes down you're going to see between six and ten billion dollars of cash in the bank to support the cash flow scenario of this project which again is far higher today is far higher than we've ever had but far higher of course when the final FAA reimbursement started critically okay mr. is any further discussion I'll call the question yeah right so I'll quickly put it all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye any opposed any abstentions think there is unanimously we move on to item six which is the construction update from Larry all right um really I don't have much to add we did uh I did do this report a little bit early so it's been a couple weeks because of way nicks wants the time things now moving forward uh so I didn't put any pictures in but you basically for the major project you're gonna see the same type of issue you saw last month we're wrapping up the runway or taxiway alpha melt and overlay this next Sunday and Monday night they'll do the final whips of payment that's the goal dependent on weather and then clean up the week or so after that and that project will be complete we just we're just finishing the north renovation uh which everybody should check out because it's awesome compared to people yeah it's going to be even nicer so we had that other project to it okay and also you'd see the same pictures down in what Helen saw when those doors opened down at beta was like a lot of gravel so a lot of excavations that happened down in the south apron project the stormwater infrastructure has been put in place and they'll be starting to bring in the sub bases and based on what we know right now because of some we hit a little bit more rock for the um storm grain piping within the footprint of the the apron uh it's a little bit delayed so we probably won't pave this year and we did pave what beta needs for the winter you know should they start moving planes in and out of there so that's already done it was part of the whole ceremony um they had a plane in there and we're able to get it in now so that'll be taken care but the really good news is um sound insulation um we started that this week uh contact was right out there we've got pictures we just got them today though uh you know uh windows coming out and a wall board going up and um that's huge oh he's gonna get him up now um so that started on monday uh that the first phase one and phase two oh that's a whole other report sorry that's but that started this week so that's all I have unless there's any questions about anything else that I have put in here any questions or comments good great uh larry I don't know if this falls into a construction question that we were just when you were talking about the taxi queues who's mentioned the possibility of some signage in that area and that's something that could take place relatively quickly depending on day-to-day issues that are on the front burner um I'm wondering is that something that would fall into your realm and well I work Hannah on that she takes charge of the signage and stuff like that and and Jeff now too now we have Jeff on board um but all facilities related stuff in the past several years there's you know I if there was a requirement to get product or did or whatever yes I would take care of that so a great example is the new asphalt that we just poured for the the entrance there's a little bit more happening on the sidewalks the next couple weeks another entrance that's larry and his his target which is which is Kirk patch that he meant right he's picking up a lot of that that type of stuff that I was doing fencing you know the lighting project with the way binding signage uh the customer experience side of things that really falls on Jeff part of the and Hannah so any way that we can identify that as something that possibly could take place by the end of the calendar year or new signage frequency yeah oh easily it contingent on what signage we put up so we just put a couple thousand dollars for the new signage for the taxi uh wait honey um all the way from baggage claim and and all the way to the exits over here in the exits upstairs and we also transformed a couple of the signage for uber and lift to make sure the split was was appropriate and flags that type of thing so and I the reason I said that contingent on wild signage because if the rates changed recently I think that's a very important sign to put up but I mean the things like this is this website if you would like to file with the place those aren't going to change it I think we can we can work something right good thank you one over the next one other quick note whoever took those speed bumps out of the rental car area I'm thank you I'm happy for that yeah going up to where we tried it wasn't right well don't be too happy the last one is stupid don't those people need speed bumps so yeah right I'll look at I'll always draw you next day we're back I find they're very well basic spite of reasonable speaking for it yeah well they're we're in a position yeah I think yeah and they were very they were all they were so yeah I'll put your vehicle up and all right commissions any else for Larry oh no just one um so and I can't remember where it was whether it was at the community meeting or if this was just a self-growing to city council but people were have complained about the signage of where you turn in to get into the airport and it I always have to creep along does something oh I know you're in the past I read that on the pavement on the pavement yes on the on the this side yeah on the pavement also the the um the markings I saw that I saw I read something somewhere yes but the airplane the painting and all that was a markings thing we just went to that a couple weeks ago so maybe that's but there is a new entrance well not new but the an entrance that goes into the beta building and it's one of our maintenance right that's fun isn't it so confusing because you don't really see the entrance into the airport well you're you might be the perfect perfect person for us to ask about that because we're going to need to go to you and and the development review board to make sure we can add the additional signage yeah but it just was raised since we were we're doing school things and you know also also how I should uh the fencing should be in next week from the cemetery too oh good so and also there'll be trees potentially go out the end of this week or probably early next week that go along with that whole project so the 7th but it was a little long lead end up but hopefully by November that'll I'll be some install maybe rest just get it straight now that went along the road and still hold them in that's right go ahead Brett thank you hi everyone um I I agree I was noticing that the line striping um on the pavement as you approach the entrance has faded and um so I I don't know if that's been updated in the last you know month or two but that was something that I had noticed as well recently so we don't we don't paint in the road yeah south early uh yeah but we do have a portion of that that we can make sure we address like the picture of the airplane which we paint on the ground that is something that we do with with permission um but we can we can reach out to help we're like to do it because we just re-aintain to our higher front right away yeah yeah so yeah it's the same can reach out to self probably didn't yeah just a question not so now that the north time course is the glass has been bumped out what is there a timeline for we attempt to pass about skinny potentially expanding their seating is there is there a timeline but uh yeah so we added some temporary traditional seating with that you see around the rest of the airport not only in that area but we also opened up our what is it two administration offices ago our admin space that we had in the hallway over here that's now opened up to the public and available as like a small lounge area so between that space which has some additional seating and then the restaurant space so i i do just want to be clear that the restaurant this area and the space is not changing and i'm not i'm not going to bring that back to the to the board or to city council as an amendment to their lease space but we are working with Skinning Pancake to identify different seating options that the airport would would participate in as well so their sort of official footprint is not expanding that's correct it's possible that their patients will take their food and find other places to sit in a space that's exactly right more comfortable space good yeah in some of them will look like a restaurant skinny pancake he does want to invest some materials into that space whether it's additional booths you know traditional restaurant booths jason to the new open space as well as more of a cafe style lounge space that would have partnered upon but their official lease will not change all right mr's any final thoughts on the construction update all right thank you very thank you move on to the financial update from marine thank you Tim so in front of you you've got the august profit and loss we've got august revenue recovery profit spending balances and the aip so everything is from the same month of august so we're just internally we're getting our reports done and and you know for review it's up internally earlier so i do them about we can have two weeks before the meeting now so it will always be the month prior um so the reports are pretty they're pretty much as i expected and one notable is we did have a band balance on aip 143 and we did pay that off in early september we're talking about the psc application any interest that we pay on a gain or anticipation though is eligible if we choose to we have but in that application that we do under pfds we can get reverse for that interest which is which is for really benefits all the way especially when i'm waiting that's pretty big amounts um let's see year-to-date revenues through august for 4.8 million dollars so that's for the first two months they're they're just slightly higher than the primary year but we saw it during the years of recovery from during the first couple years of cover we saw some pretty great jobs we're still seeing very strong revenues um our parking garage revenues are are consistently above and beyond from year to year which is great i think i i was looking at the uh concessions just here sitting and i think i may have pulled some number not pulling enough number but our revenues are strong and they're good our expenses for the year are a little bit higher that as i've been expressing we got this pretty big repairs and maintenance projects that we're doing the lighting about the workplace fire alarm uh it's going to take longer than the full year the whole project about 18 months it's going on in the garage so they started that in may so we had a few some expenses last year but we're really seeing we're going to see a lot of the expenses share and we'll continue into the future and fiscal year 2025 to finish up that project so that's sort of impacting why we're seeing the rev of the expenses being higher compared to last year also um due to sort of tractral things and just filming of our filling up positions we are also seeing higher salaries and the associated just insurance and things like that we did nothing to that concern about just these were things that were planned and our cash balance as the end of august was again very strong about 6.6 million dollars we did not hold the city any money um and those are very quickly uh you know we continue on our recovery metrics everything is above 100 compared to where we were prior to COVID with the exception of our pfcs we chatted about the pfcs a little bit those are kind specifically to the employment and so we are 90 something percent of our passengers where we were so there's a little bit of a timing we get paid a month after the fact and it's for the ticket sales that were bought during that time frame so it's not necessarily when people are actually flying but it's whenever somebody buys a ticket and so somebody buys a ticket in the month of august but they're not flying until Thanksgiving we'll get the rabbit but likewise it is so it's closed but you know just you're pointing at me because i did that i am flying out and thanks for being nice big brother is logic yeah i know i've been thinking about it yeah oh yeah thank you i break your friends so that's the only revenue that we haven't seen hit 100 percent of the recovery but everything out of this gets quite strong and is helping our overall revenue so i think those are good things to report absolutely i will entertain any questions that anybody may have on all of this information right measures any questions or comments from barry ready i think we're good thank you very i'm going to move on from item seven to the page which is community connection and again you're a person with noise data um we have 21 additional comments uh from last month from our vector software program uh predominantly military on the comment by address map the little heat map that we have that's like an overlay of the runway um still showing predominantly uh most comments coming from northern brampton and we also this is a couple second month i believe that we've added the noise comment map that has the overlay of the the noise contours from the end noise exposure map uh so it has the 65 70 and 75 uh noise contour overlaid onto the noise comments you can get um at the reference point from that that's a lot of it's interesting that so many comments are outside those lines this um i mean you'd think there'd be inside where they could really hear them more loudly or but all right uh hearing no up for the console about the item just okay oh oh yeah thank you um i am curious for the 21 that came in do you have a tighter timeline of when those came in if it was like the end of last week i seemed like there was more activity Wednesday through Friday um maybe last week week before last or if there was something within the last um if there was a range that a tighter range that that may have been an influence there i don't have it right in front of me but i can easily send you that information yeah that's okay um uh i also have had some folks ask me the best way to submit comments um or complaints um and i've seen i think a couple phone numbers i wasn't sure if there was a web form that um there's one on btv sound but maybe it's maybe it's there yes so uh the form that i'll be that we receive through the uh vector software is linked to the form on btvsound.com okay so that's the best way to send it um uh one over the web the website and that's the one that we track we could all the comments received um including phone comments as well but that's the easiest way to submit a comment okay yeah and i think um folks that i would talk to probably would prefer um an online form or even being able to text a particular number um so it's it's good to know but i also appreciate that there's a phone number that um is still being maintained and and that that data is being incorporated into the um the web form submittals so thanks for clarifying that let me just clarify there is no phone number that the airport maintains this this administration maintains there is a phone number that the international guard has those comments are not input into this data that we're sharing with you whatever goes to the international guard that they they collect and respond to um the i'm sorry black yeah the the the comment form is on our voice and flight tracking system and there is a tech a not a cell phone text form that put a text form that you can submit on that tracking system and that's the only information that we collect right and you you've tested that to see if it's mobile friendly it it should yes it is because i've done a couple tests for our consultants jones painting on there so if they reach out the phone and then have a comment then they also relay it to us that way as well but it's i would suggest to have anyone ask and use the form that's listed on the website okay so just to make sure i have this clear while i'm taking notes um there's no phone number that btv is maintaining the guard has a phone number but that phone number is um and that data those complaints are not incorporated into this um complete data mapping there is a web form on btv sound and it is mobile friendly is that right yes that's right okay thank you and we also share all of the uh noise information that exceeds a certain decibel level that all is shared the raw data shared from the noise tracking system as well yeah i've i've looked that up um i've looked that up myself as well and look notice the time delay so i've i've watched it myself that's right there is a 10 there's a 10 minute time delay which is an apartment of the fb and then and then of course there is the raw data that we that we add to the website monthly which is every every radar track that it's a noise monitor over certain decibels will be recorded on the uh a pretty significant spreadsheet okay thank you great good there's any other comments or questions okay yes um yeah just uh curiosity kind of the the nem uh color coded contour map remind me how do we i mean we must have something electronically that sort of captures the sound and determines those contours is that how it works so we are you talking about the three noise monitors yes collecting data are you talking about the map i'm talking about the map so that is our noise exposure but no it's the exposure there is no uh monitor or the microphone setup in the field to determine that noise map that is a computer model noise map which is the only map the fa uh accepts and requires then we do have three noise monitors in the field and that's that's what we're referring to with some of this raw data that we we uh add to the websites that noise information collected for those noise monitors are not used to produce this map or not used um and there's there's no uh controlled way of using those noise monitor information they pick up every noise that whether it's a police car to a an aircraft taking off so the the scientific and the controlled processes that have as requires is the computer model and each aircraft that uses this airport is is selected and put into the noise map using real radar so we know which way they're going and then using each aircraft's noise profile to put into the map so uh no actual monitors are used for noise exploiting maps yeah but i mean again just an observation i think how much earlier the majority of the complaints are actually outside of the contours or it's about even and i understand what they're just for a couple i understand that there's a couple that you know are the majority of the complaints but but just a quick observation looks as if as many are outside of those contours as our inside and i don't know what that means i'm just saying it's just a trust and observation and so for the the noise contour the military jets that doesn't include the use of use of afterburners does it it's just on this on this map it uh which this is the 2023 now we're in 2023 the 2023 future fourth app which was approved by the fba back in 2018-19 that does include a small percentage of afterburners based on the eis and and the international guards operations the updated noise exposure map which which larry will go for a little bit will be will be just about the same although the the um that's actually a great point the eis said that there would be less than five percent of the time using afterburners however in the last year since the f35s have been operating it is significantly less than less than one percent so this new noise exposure map will incorporate that less than one percent afterburners again confirmed with the actual radar had an operational data uh just one quick question the second the second map that's in here that's like the line kiln road got a area because there's not i'm trying to do a supplement with roads which which map it's it's the second um the btv residential sound insulation program map like the first one is the traditional soft rocks you know by the airport and the chamber that's what we've all been seeing but the second one layers report yeah right there yes yep that's the north side of the airport so that's that's um airport park 18 to line kill yeah okay that's that's the line kill retreat there yeah tim we there is one error this uh this we're now calling if you look at that uh a legend on that sheet the pilot program is now being called the f a that's just to simplify this phase one a phase one group one it's phase two and that's phase one group two is is phase three there's been three three different projects so we'll correct that yeah so john spainy group is working on the pilot program phase one yeah yeah more pilot a more phase one group one yeah phase one two three we're gonna keep us we're working on phase four right all right thank you well those down item 8.2 move on to item nine which is directory work uh perfect just kind of share my screen second bill all right so lary lary talked a little bit about the sound insulation program we just did too happy to report as last week we replaced our first window this month this month uh sorry this this week yeah uh so this week we replaced our first window two days ago and there's uh right now multiple houses that are undergoing these improvements these are mostly on the uh south Henry Corp and the airport parkway area right now at the end of this county year so just just uh well in about six to eight weeks we'll be completed with all 15 houses this year in the spring we'll be starting with 52 houses neem and construction is the uh contractor i don't mean to run to the managers report it's all this highly enough for three minutes i'll try to take the three minutes i don't want myself and layering that's why don't we move on to the managers report it's all this highly not just the wall but the insufficiency and uh experience of each one of these homeowners just his top level we went out Monday morning that with the first homeowner very nice and uh it will be closing to a week uh with exception to punchless items will be followed up on up to that so that's the 50 you know the 15 only till the next eight weeks and then next year when we go into the 52 we'll try to move to the four houses closed per week finished per week and then when do we go back in to test to see if it actually works pretty much right away right away yeah so once everything's done right now the windows and the doors are being put in a lot of these also had interior walls that i've learned that i've learned to be put in and then we'll go back into after action or useful testing to make sure the interior is at or below 45 p.m. and if it's not where do they go back in and do a little bit more yep yeah exactly the experience from what i understand they never really had that problem with the engineering they've done in the planning so they never had to go back so but if they do they do we design it like a kind of insulation what happened yeah HVAC you know additional utility uh installs as well uh another important piece to this is Vermont gas system yeah in connection with Vermont is also with us to terminate each one of these projects so they're not only helping with the cost of some of this construction reversing us the airport as part of the local share portion of these grants but they're also working with the homeowners to see outside of this noise program is there anything else you're eligible for whether it's a zero percent loan on a on a new hot water system or i always forget to heat pumps or or other programs that are available through my cast she's pretty amount of power uh the whole group of utility companies and groups are together that's really led by the my cast systems i would love to have an you know when we finish those to see how many people take them upon that offer yeah those offers we could we can track that um from vgs has a lot of really great information both that helped us pretty all right uh just a little bit more on community engagement we had a really great meeting a couple weeks ago at the Chamber of Elementary School yeah it was great what's that very nice job no you do a good job you know you mean it's a little testy but you you didn't rise to the occasion so you passed that test okay it was an engaging conversation and this wasn't just about this program but our our two primary focuses of this community meeting was to talk about our recreational path and our landscaping project and master plans we're proposing to install this uh really elaborate and pretty exciting recreational multi-use path as part of requirements as any one of these construction projects that we're talking about mostly related to the project next building the hotel building beta's building heritage my sorry things sr sre being its building so vertical to all of those vertical construction pieces require a lensing program and this is a really what i think isn't really thoughtful and a great way of truly committing this land to uh recreational use and a noise buffer zone between residential and a airport zone the other half of this conversation at this public meeting was updates to our noise exposure map larry is part of this report also has the noise exposure map timeline and schedule in there which we share with the community uh this was really meant for the Chamberlain elementary school updates elementary aim work with updates but just because of the location of this recreational path we're going to be hosting these types of meetings much more frequently during this time frame of our noise exposure map update including having some uh in various communities we've already talked about and want to schedule in a O'Brien Center uh specific to the Winooski residence all of this is all translated as well the pamphlet in our our website is translated into about 12 different languages so that any any hopefully anybody can either request for access um various uh brochures which is what we actually are here i thought it was a really engaging uh conversation it was difficult at times we didn't hear many comments related to noise of course and specifically have 35 noise uh go down again our goal was to really communicate to the community this landscaping plan did you get um real feedback from um the public about the actual path i had hoped there would have been you know i mean that f-35 crowd that everyone often another spent but it seemed to me one of the really big purposes for this in that community was to say okay this is where we think the path should be what do you think right um uh there were a lot of talking about breaking comments because we didn't have a poster board so yeah and stick posted comments there so we gathered that we're going to put that on the website there are a few really good comments on the landscaping plan one of them that sticks out to me was let's let's do a patch of wildflowers let's make it a little bit more natural in various locations um we use it extremely helpful uh verbally we had a lot of great conversations about the the path a lot of folks that literally lived a chase into the path that suggested please don't put this path in between my house and another house so we've adjusted that already um others are uh part of this which is which is the map here sort of added in there part of this is the community garden center over on curvy road uh that is that was probably the most we talked about verbally with the most coming up to the front room so uh i think there's a lot there were maybe three or four people that i had heard from conversations with that live by facing this green space here that truly wanted the garden and they would use it quite frequently if it was okay so it reached met your need i i think so i think it was okay that's good that's a point um thank you feedback from uh brin just had a question about the reporting there there is a recording brin so we videoed take the entire uh meeting we're it's not online yet but it will be online uh shortly the entire meeting was that um filmed through uh cctv or town meeting tv it wasn't no we filmed it ourselves okay but it's also available on town meeting today i don't think it is or not anymore no unless they take our video which i'm not sure it is because i've watched replays on of this meeting of the community oh the community sorry sorry yeah the community meeting uh my question was specific to the community meeting at chamberlain yeah um i don't i don't really get shared with cctv i don't know if they're gonna want to re put it on there that would be pretty amazing if they could uh curious in terms of where i could where i could self serve and find it versus needing you guys to send it out okay yeah that makes sense we can definitely engage with with uh cctv uh and then we'll we'll share that link as well which will be on vtbsound.com yeah i had another public meeting that night so i was unable to attend uh i didn't get you in the picture it's all right it was looking at that early we had a really great opening hell in the community the uh boy they must have been hundreds of people there they were mostly beta employees um beta opened up their brand new facility on which is their manufacturing site which if any of the commissioners would like me to order i would love to to arrange that for you um we had our uh amazing mayor uh lineburger there and of course our federal delegation and our previous federal delegation uh he's actually putting me in a chokehold and the governor was there and the governor was there along with their incredible staff and and uh and quite a few people that that was pretty amazing spectacular see this picture does not do that in justice because it is a massive massive building and it's only half of it and it's only half of it so it's a pile so tall he had to have been the tallest person in that oh my gosh yeah you you can see that and senator levy is tall too but you can see kind of nice yeah yeah so uh great congratulations student to the beta um to the beta family because that was a lot of hard work and a lot of hard work too and and commitment from the airport and the commission uh we of course leased the land and said uh to not ban us so that's pretty amazing partnerships all around i thought one of the most interesting observations actually was by the governor and his prediction was that beta technologies would have the same impact in vermont as ibm did however many years ago well is that 50 50 yeah and um he may very well be right he said mark my way yeah yeah but i just thought that was kind of interesting because you know i certainly was here when um ibm came in and knew us you know a lot of i could talk about that very excited yeah that's kind of cool um we talked all about us i would like to share it's on boards all around the terminal uh jeff burley who's online right here is actually putting up some additional uh signage to to share this with our uh passenger community um and we'll have some updates throughout the terminal and you've seen these pictures and we we've talked quite a bit about it today but but always very exciting and then i'll leave you with just a couple of upcoming events um and some accolades too uh so we uh we were i shared in email with the commission we were listed with vermont with this vaccine as one of the top 25 fastest growing entities um in the state of vermont we were number 10 on the list but it's pretty exciting picture with with the team there uh as well as the secretary of commerce and the president of the cuban uh we're also in the runway for the best small airport in the country uh by usa today it did we i i think i was talking to you earlier of how we got nominated the pools are for this i didn't read the rules which i put in that little clip there readers choice rules it is really strict so it's it's pretty amazing what's happening boats are closed but people were able to vote eaters were were able to go we were able to vote quite often uh ever so that votes are closed right now but we'll be um they'll be announcing the top 10 uh airport best small airports in the country on october 13th so uh to practice and we will most certainly try and i'm lucky lucky the 13th guy uh i don't have a date for you yet but i will share it as soon as possible most likely today or tomorrow sharing it with you we will have our new logo and celebration of the new Patrick Leahy brockington international airport uh most likely it will be in a couple of weeks probably two weeks uh and i will get that date to you based on i'm very excited about that and a lot of planning effort from jeff to hannah to jillian to the entire team of making a really special day for the airport for celebrating Patrick Leahy and and uh celebrating our whole community so all of you of course are invited and we will be sending out formal invitations um most likely before the end of the week to a very large list of folks uh october 12th this is next thursday at eight October 12th is our first technical advisory committee meeting for our noise exposure updates uh we'll be doing that right here uh this is our first point so we're going to be talking a lot about what is an exposure map to uh to the central movement for our noise exposure map that has schedule is in uh sarah with the previous agenda i really think uh so we're excited to to start this process and really kick off our noise exposure map process and then publish that of course next year uh in november and jeff you you might want to talk about this just a just for a second there uh november we're going to be representing we'll be represented at a uh lake shamblain chamber traveling towards a summit called destination vtv uh and jeff barbie is online there she's going to be uh speaking at that conference jeff if you want to say thanks for that yeah hello everybody um yeah i met with uh hello burlington today they're putting it on this is uh their attempt to try to bring the tourism industry together uh to both celebrate the end of really heavy season going into a new heavy season uh with the holidays but also compare notes um and also spend some time learning from other communities on the eclipse that we are anticipating in april of next year uh so really opportunity network um and they've asked me to present um represent uh what nick has presented in the past about uh the future of the airport um and all the good stuff that we got going on so i'm looking forward to that unfortunately i'm not able to make it but i know jeff and the team will will represent the airport really really well um i've shared this with you before but i'll be gone to london we'll have a another commission meeting before then so i'll be able to to talk to you before then but uh i'll be speaking at the international airport summit um specifically about the constraints of the growing airport and uh passenger constraints in a small i'll tell you i'm going to build um i think we're we're one of those airports that are going through that of course we're we're from a small perspective and i'll be speaking with uh budapest airport you mean my airport authority in phong kong uh as well as uh chief planning officer for the federal airport it's a mature event uh as well as actually related to the international it's it's going to be a really interesting uh moderated sorry on us and the international i'm flying to the best oh cool yeah airport and a couple of things going on yes i will check that out yeah i some folks that asked if the um tech meetings would be um would be open to the public like if they're going to be um similar to these meetings that are um able for folks to attend uh yeah they are on to the public uh so anybody can attend but the the conversation could be with the the time i'm sure yeah and where will those be posted most likely right uh yeah mostly earlier you said hosted right posted like where will the meeting information be posted oh it'll be on btbsound.com i believe it's already on there uh but we should make sure that it is okay thank you um and then uh the last thing i have for you is uh for dave i'm putting him on the spot and stacy go dave i know we just introduced this but if you can just explain what stacy had if you want to say it a couple of words um sorry we have a little bit of a head full not head full of it not integers uh stacy she's a new operations manager she's been with us for about nine years now but nine years she's an operations specialist that worked mostly in the states over the last uh almost decades and uh uh yeah she uh went for it and uh i think she's a great addition to the as an manager not just as a specialist so so so far she's hit the ground running so i'm really impressed with all that she's contributed so far welcome stacy as the operations manager and we are putting her to the test because literally i think every school day we somehow it goes to you that offense is changing the door is changing the terminal is changing somebody has added so stacy manages our airport security program as well as uh our certification manual with davin and his team of legit it's not a small task that is my report for you tonight right commissioners anything else for nick on his report right and we'll move on to item 10 commission or items i didn't receive anything in advance but is there anything no we're in scatterhand or anything anyone wants to share they want to jump ahead of anybody else in the room good um two items i'm also on the wanouski bridge committee and that is being consolidated by v trans primarily and one of their consultants we had the first public meeting for that um oh my gosh i think that was the 19th um at the abryan center um it was really well attended um the room was packed standing room only there was also an online um component to it so there was about um 45 people that attended online as well um there's a committee that they have convened um we're meeting about monthly they expect the next public meeting to be in burlington probably in january it's not scheduled yet um but looking at having some potential designs for folks to reflect on and respond to by that time um construction probably starting as early as 20 27 um hoping um i mean i think the funds need to be um spent by i think maybe 20 32 possibly um so pretty quick turnaround time um there will be a period of time where the bridge has to be closed to vehicle traffic right now they're intending on having a portion open to um bicycles and pedestrians while that vehicle traffic element is closed um obviously they're going to try and um contain that to his um the small amount of window the smallest window of time is possible um and there will be lots of public outreach about that but i wanted to make sure that um this group was especially um aware of that looked into that um timing um i don't know how much impact that may have um to to airport travelers but wanted you all to have that um have a heads up on that um any questions that i can answer or try to answer they have a really good website i can drop that um in the chat or share it with uh hannah to share with the group as well yeah that would be that would be helpful uh from our perspective at the airport brand because one is going to impact my commute but also uh i think that's a heavily used area yeah let's say um well but it's so appreciated because it's absolutely needed yeah yeah absolutely um and then the other thing that's unrelated to the bridge um i had um been notified that there was some um questions about garage security recently um i believe somebody's car had been stolen from the garage and i wanted to check in on that if um there's been any additional procedures that have been reviewed or additional enforcement or um security that's been put in place to to help mitigate that yeah and uh i just want to preface it by saying that uh it's not just at the airport there's a major challenge with auto theft in the entire county and beyond um i think uh uh chief berg had a really really great statements that i said recently about south burlington but also chute mirad and burlington um the biggest thing that we've asked our customers and added some signage in our garage is please do not keep your keys in your car and do not leave your car unlocked every theft which there's been a few thefts of vehicles in our parking garage every theft the keys were in the car and the car was on um or on the tire or on the tire either yeah um so uh as far as procedures we are aware of it you have added additional security elements so that it's not as easily uh the egress of the garage is not as easily done whether it's coming up over a curb or something like that uh we have a significant security cameras surrounding the exit lanes entrance lanes and various locations within the garage um and most likely we're going to be adding possibly additional uh resources to the garage but again don't don't leave that's what our continued messages and we share that message with the chiefs in the area uh yeah i appreciate that and mainly um as a way to help um distribute any messaging to folks that i talked to about additional safety measures that they could take so this is helpful yeah other than that our garage sees thousands of vehicles a day in and out uh and we have very very few thefts uh compared to the overall operation of the garage yeah i'm sure thank you mr is any other items for today so we move on to item 11 which is follow-up items so we talked about taxi queue permits today so i think we can remove that is commissioners is there anything else that came up today that you would like follow up on in the next meeting or is future for you we'll continue to follow up on the sound program but that's kind of that's what you're going to do i think that's an edit yeah yeah anything from commissioners all right so hearing done there are no follow-up items carry forward to next month and item 12 is adjournment do we hear a motion to adjourn so moved i'll switch it up wow all those in favor just in case anyone was asleep any any obsessions thank you everybody


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All right. Well, my happy task is to remind those of you that attended the Genomic Medicine 2 meeting in December, what we talked about, and for those of you that didn't have a chance to be there to give you a little bit of background, some of which Dan alluded to, to set the stage for what we're going to be doing some at this meeting. So one of the first things that Dan alluded to is some of these issues of what the barriers are to genomic medicine. And I suspect we'll be talking a lot about these barriers during the course of this meeting. Trying to figure some of this out is really important. One of the things that many of us are struggling with is this whole question of, do we have adequate evidence for the value of actual implementation of genomic variants and the relationship to either dosing of a drug or adverse avoidance in a drug or a risk score for some disease of interest. Institutional and physician acceptance is an important one, and we spent a fair amount of time at the last meeting hearing from some institutional leaders who gave us their perspectives on that, and I'll say more about that in a second. Education of patients and physicians is clearly going to be very important. Many of you that have tried to do this know that there is a group of physicians who are enthusiastic and anxious to do this, and then there are some people that are not sure that it's worth the trouble at this point, and that really reflects the debate that both Dan and Eric have already talked to you about. Consents, and actually I'll just comment, I think in many ways it's interesting. I think our experience is that the patients may actually be out ahead of the physicians in a lot of cases on this, and that's sort of an interesting place to be. Consents, making sure that we've got consents right in this area is an important aspect to consider, and there's a working group that's dealing with some of these issues, and then things like sample availability and the recruitment for genetic studies continue to be interesting challenges for us in terms of thinking about some of the ethical and social issues related to those as well. So the meeting goals for the December meeting were to develop ideas for multi-center collaborative projects, you already heard that, to learn about new projects on ongoing partner sites, to identify infrastructure needs and possible solutions to speed the adoption of genomic medicine, and to establish mechanisms for the sharing of best practices. And so that discussion led to a lot of action items, some of the highlights that we heard from the institutional leaders that we need to make genomic medicine part of an institutional strategic plan, otherwise it really doesn't succeed. Need to demonstrate value, especially in the cost arena for health centers, and genomics research needs to be part of the cake, not just the icing, and I thought that was a particularly great statement to hear. And that we encouraged an institutional leader perspective publication, and I'm not sure if anybody knows where we stand on that, but I think it would still be a very important thing for us to continue to work on. I think the key thing that happened, there was a lot of discussion, a lot of really good interactions, but one of the key things that happened was there was establishment of five or six working groups that came out of that meeting. Those working groups have been working since December, and at the end of the day today there's going to be a chance for those groups to be getting together and to continue their work, and then we will hear some reporting out from each of those groups. But to give you a sense of the groups, there was a cancer working group, and some of the things that they thought were important, ready for prime time, were Lynch syndrome screening, a neuroendocrine cancer screening approach, and then what they sort of described as important crumbs that were left behind were how do we deal with moderate risk variants, how do we think about clinical utility, what are the screening and treatment recommendations that would be related to that, and I think this theme of what's the evidence behind a particular variant and whether it's, and we've used a variety of words, and we've debated about the words, about whether it's actionable, whether it has clinical utility, whether it has clinical validity, and I suspect we'll have more discussion about some of those terms during this meeting. Very rare and probably genetic phenotypes with no known associated diseases are something that needs to be thought about. Germline and somatic variation for tumor progression and drug resistance, and cancers that rarely have somatic alterations, such as carcinoids and pancreatic endocrine tumors. So we'll check in with the cancer group later. There's a group interested in the periodontal microbiome, thinking about pharmacogenetics for dentistry, questions like timing of warfarin withdrawal prior to dental procedures, impact of known pharmacogenomic variants, and CIP2D6 for pain management. And then another area in terms of type II diabetes and periodontal disease and or periodontal microbiome type, and a few issues to look at that in the microbiome. And so hopefully we'll hear an update about that as well. There was a lot of interest in the family history project. Family history, as we all know, is one of the most beneficial genetic markers, set of genetic markers that we have. And the goal of family history working group was to develop an outcomes research agenda to look at towards implementation science, to integrate family history into the clinical workflow. And they proposed a series of small studies to interrogate and evaluate the best, cheapest, and least time-consuming way to collect family history data. Something that everybody says we're still not very good at. Propose the construction of an advisory group on family health, family history. Information interface and education for providers. Again, a key element here in all of these is how do we educate the people that actually are going to be the front-line users of this genomic medicine information. Explore electronic media tools to help patients create their own family history. There was discussion about iPhone apps that might enable this. Validation for family history information and building models that include use all the data. There was a pharmacogenomics working group that wanted to compare head-to-head whole genome sequencing, directed sequencing. Some of you are familiar with this VIP or PGRN-Seq platform and other technologies. So how should we be implementing those? And then there was discussion about applying next-gen sequencing technologies to rare serious adverse events for discovery, family-based pharmacogenomics implementation. There was a sequencing working group that set up a very ambitious set of six working groups. There have been quite a few phone calls in this, but the goal was to improve the reference sequence set for clinical analyses, set standards for reporting genomic data, to set standards for reporting phenotypic data, to develop analytical best practices so that work done at multiple sites could actually be readily comparable between the sites, to create some kind of central repository for clinical comparisons and to set wet lab best practices. There was a group that at one point had the interesting name miscellania. We have subsequently come up with, I think, the group has come up with a more appropriate name, the clinical research interface. One of the things that this whole discussion about genomic medicine brings up on a regular basis is what is the boundary between research and clinical care, and I think we are really pushing the envelope in terms of how to think about that boundary, or maybe that boundary is getting fuzzier and fuzzier, but related to that, there are a whole series of IRB related issues. If it is clinical care, there is a different set of consents and approaches that need to be taken from research. There is obviously, I have already mentioned the sort of clinical research interface. Implementation consultants for systems wanting to implement in various practices, what kind of information can be best practices that are shared. That's a question again of variance, and many of you, I think, also participated in not one of the genomic medicine meetings, but a meeting that addressed the question. It was called ClinSeq or ClinVar, ClinAction, yes, thank you, working group that was also in December that thought about what kind of resources do we need to put in place in order to capture all these variants that people are seeing in their clinical work. To develop a suite of validated methodologies to collect data and to answer clinical research questions, clinical research interface questions, and then to really think about how to develop qualitative research to understand practitioner experience with genomics, and I know that's something that some of the Emerge groups have already been working pretty hard on. So there were a series of action items in addition to these working groups, which was to convene a CEO of health systems around genomic medicine. We need to think about how to advocate and enable a patient role in this process. We want to be able to share documentation for clinical use of software for sequence analysis, demonstration projects showing cost effectiveness and utility, and that the breakout groups should persist and continue toward the next meeting. We're at the next meeting and we'll hear about the clinical groups, the working groups and what they've done, and I'm now going to turn it over to Teri, who will talk us a little bit about some opportunities for this area of thinking about demonstration projects. So any questions I can answer about genomic medicine too? All right, Teri.


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