CHAPTER 41 OF LIVES OF THE MOST REMARCOBLE CRIMINALS VOLUME II The Life of Robert Haynes, a murderer, etc. As from a multitude of instances in the course of these memoirs it has been shown how great a misfortune it is to be destitute of education, so from the following life it will appear that an improper education is as dangerous as none at all. Robert Haynes, the criminal whose history we are to give at present, was the son of persons in Ireland of none of the best circumstances who yet afforded him a very good education, causing him to be instructed not only in the Latin but also in the Greek tongue in both of which to the day of his death he attained a tolerable knowledge. His father it seems, though he had done everything for his son in breeding him a scholar, though when he grew up to man's estate he had nothing to give him, and was forced to let him come over to England to list himself in the foot guards. His officers gave him always the character of a quiet, inoffensive lad, who injured nobody, nor was himself addicted to those vices which are common to the men of his profession. On the contrary he retained yet strong notions of those religious principles in which he had been educated. He addicted himself much to reading, and though his spirit was not a little broken by the consideration of that low life by which he was obliged to stoop, yet he preserved a becoming spirit and a very gentlemanlike behaviour upon all occasions, so that the officers of his regiment very much regretted that misfortune which brought him to an untimely end. Of the occasion of this we come next to speak, since his youth and the regularity of his life prevented any other of his adventures coming to our notice. It happened one Sunday evening, as he was walking along St. James's Park with two other soldiers. They met two men and two women. Haines unluckily kissed one of the women, upon which one of the men turned and broke his head. As was insisted even to the time of the death of this unfortunate person, the swords of both were drawn. However that were he gave his antagonist a wound in the breast of which he died. For this he was apprehended and committed prisoner to Newgate. At the ensuing sessions of the old Bailey he was indicted for willfully murdering Edward Perry by giving him a wound on the left part of the right breast near the short ribs, of the depth of twelve inches and of the length of one. He was also indicted a second time on the statute of stabbing, and a third time upon the coroner's inquest for willful murder, on all three of which, notwithstanding his defence and the witnesses he called, he was found guilty. And although some honourable persons took a great deal of pains to procure a pardon or reprieve for him, yet it proved of no purpose, but he and the aforementioned malefactor were put into the death warrant and ordered for execution. For himself he had little hopes from the endeavours of his friends and therefore behaved himself as if he had none, being not only constant and devout at the public exercises in the chapel, but also ardent in his devotions in private and by himself. As the youth wanted not good sense and had not forgot the education he had received in Ireland, so in every respect while under sentence of death he performed what could be expected from a man of courage and a Christian under his circumstances. A minister out of charity visited him several times and prayed with him, exhorting him always to make a clear and candid confession of the fact, and since there were no hopes not to go to death with a lie between his lips. Yet he persisted still in what he had at first declared, and continued to assert the truth of that declaration until the jail sickness brought him so low that he was scarce able to speak at all. In this low state of health he continued until within two or three days of his death, when he began to pick up strength a little, and as soon as he was able to go up the state stairs he attended as usual the devotions of the chapel. In this frame and disposition of heart he remained until the day of his execution came, upon which he appeared not only calm but cheerful, received the sacrament as as usual with malefactors at the day of their death, and behaved at it in a very pious and religious manner. When he came to Tibern he stood up and intended to have spoken to the people, but finding himself too weak he referred to a paper which he delivered to Mr. Appleby, a printer, and which contained the substance of what, if he had been able, he would have there spoken, and then after a few private ejaculations he easily resigned up his breath at the same time with the other malefactor. Being then in the one-and-twentieth year of his age, I thought proper to insert the copy of that letter I have before spoken of, and it follows verbatim. Good people, I am to suffer by law an ignominious death. God's will be done, which untimely end I never expected. I am a youth, and it's above twelve months since I enlisted into his Majesty's service. The character of my behaviour in that time I will leave to my acquaintance to declare. My character was sufficiently testified at my trial by gentlemen of worth and honour. I pray God bless them for their Christian charity. I praise God my resolution to live uprightly was no constraint. As for the cause I suffer, and the horrid imputation I am charged with which is rendered murder, from my soul I abhor, I now declare as I expect salvation I am unjustly accused. But I freely forgive my persecutors as I hope to be forgiven, for what I did was accidental and in my own vindication. The real truth is as follows. The two soldiers that were my evidence desired my company to drink with them. As we were returning home through the park, passing by two women and being warm with liquor, I presumed to give one of them a kiss. The other was a married woman and resenting my freedom, called out to her husband Edward Perry deceased, and to Tom's that walked before, both entire strangers to me. They returned, Tom's advanced towards me speaking abruptly, and struck me over the head and shoulders with a stick, which stunned me. Likewise he urged the deceased to quarrel with me.  He drew his sword and made several passes at me, I still retreated till provoked to draw my sword to preserve myself. This affair was in the night. I received a wound in my right hand thumb and a thrust through my coat. This I declare to be the whole truth, as I shall answer before my great God. Though my persecutors, Tom's and the deceased man's wife, swore quite the reverse, which took place to my ruin. I pray God forgive them their trespasses, as I hope forgiveness for my own. I pray God bless my good colonel for his care and endeavors for my safety. I pray God bless him with length of days and prosperity in all his undertakings. I thank God I never wronged man woman or child to my knowledge, nor was I ever inclined to quarrel. I heartily beg of God pardon and forgiveness for my sins, and I confide in the merits of my dear Saviour who died for the world. I was baptised and bred a member of the Church of England, though an unworthy and unfortunate one, in which communion I hoped for salvation through my blessed Redeemer. Sunday, February the 12th, 1726 CHAPTER 42 OF LIVES OF THE MOST REMARCABLE CRIMINALS VOLUME II This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org. CHAPTER 43 OF LIVES OF THE MOST REMARCABLE CRIMINALS VOLUME II THE LIVES OF THOMAS TIMMS, THOMAS PERRY, AND EDWARD BROWN FOOTPADS This poor unhappy man, Thomas Timms, was the son of mean parents in the country, and as indifferently educated as he was born, so that his future ill deeds were capable of some little extenuation. With much to do, his friends and parents raised money enough to put him out apprentice to a chair carver, with whom he lived easily and honestly during the space of his apprenticeship, coming out of it with the character of an honest religious young lad which he maintained after he was set up and married. He had probably continued to maintain it to the end of his life if he had not fallen into unhappy circumstances by being out of work. This obliged him to come up to town, where for a while he lived pretty well upon his business. But at last it so far fell off that he was obliged to list himself a soldier in the first regiment of guards. Notwithstanding this, he worked still at his trade, as much as it was possible for him to do and to perform his duty. But misfortune still crowding upon him, he grew at first melancholy, and at last took to drinking in the company of bad women, who soon drew him into thinking of taking dishonest methods to obtain money for the support of their debaucheries. Amongst other of his acquaintance, there was a woman who had formerly lived with a very eminent lawyer in the city. It was said she had a greater familiarity with her master than she ought to have had. From whence she took the liberty to cheat him most egregiously, especially by counterfeiting receipts from most of the tradesmen with whom her master had any dealing? By which means she retained in her own hands the money which she should have paid him. Some months after, however, the roguery was discovered, and her master being newly married, he took this opportunity to discharge her suddenly. However, he promised her, if she went into any lodgings and gave him notice, he would take care that she should not want until she could get herself into some way of business or other. This gentleman had three clerks, all of good families and good fortunes. The wench, after she was out of the house, first went into a neighborhood where the eldest of these clerks and his relations were very well known. Here she took upon her to be his wife, and said that they were privately married for fear of disobliging his relations. By the help of this she got so far into credit that she took up near a hundred and twenty pounds worth of things before the least apprehension was had of her being a cheat. And then, removing her lodgings, she fixed herself in a first floor within a few doors of the guardian of her master's second clerk. She gave it out there as she had done before that she was secretly married to this young gentleman, and on the credit thereof she took up near a hundred pounds in silks and shifts. But just as she was on the point of moving off and playing the same game with the third, she was detected and committed to Bridewell. From thence she found means of escape by weadling one of the keeper's servants, and afterwards took lodgings in the house where this Tim's worked. Whether she had any hand in persuading him to go out robbing or no, I cannot take upon me to say. But soon after, he, with his companions Perry and Brown, on the third of May went out with a design to rob upon Hounslow Heath. All that night they lay in the fields. The next morning they met a poor old man, who, telling them he had no money, they let him go without misusing him. Not long after they stopped Samuel Sells coming from Windsor in his chair. He, it seems, kept a public house there. Him they commanded to deliver, whereupon he gave them three half-crowns, but they toasting upon it that it was too little, he thereupon gave them ten shillings more. Which both he and his companions averred was all that they took from him, though Sells at their trial swore to a much larger sum, and that one of them held a truncheon over him, and threatened him with abundance of odes in case he made any resistance. All of them denied this part of the charge even to death, and said that though they had truncheons, yet they made no use of them, but kept them either in their breasts or under their coats. Thomas Perry, the second of these malefactors, was born of parents in such wretched circumstances that when he was grown a good big lad, and death suddenly snatched them away, he found himself destitute of money, of business, and even of clothes to cover him. He thereupon travelled up to London, and put himself apprentice to a glass grinder, with whom he served his time very honestly and faithfully. Then he married, and lived by working very hard in a reputable manner for about a twelve-month, after which he listed in the first regiment of foot guards, in which he served till the peace of Utrecht and Flanders, after the conclusion of which he returned to London in the same regiment, in which he continued to serve till this misfortune overtook him.   Having no friends, and but a small allowance to subsist on, he fell under great miseries there, and on his return to town, those who had formerly employed him in glass grinding, taking distaste at his rude and wicked behaviour, refused to have anything more to do with him. He readily gave way to the solicitations of Tims, who, as he declared, first proposed their going upon the highway, a crime which hitherto had not entered into Perry's head. However, he yielded too readily thereto, and with the persons who had shared in his crimes, came to share an ignominious and untimely death. While under sentence, he applied himself with great seriousness and attention both to the public devotions of the chapel and to what was privately read to them in the place of their confinement, so that though he was very illiterate, he was far from being obstinate, and though he wanted the advantages of education, he was not deficient in grace, so we may therefore hope he might obtain mercy. Edward Brown, the last of these unfortunate criminals, drew his first breath in the city of Oxford, and by the care of his parents, attained to a tolerable degree of knowledge in the Christian faith, and also in writing, reading, and whatsoever was necessary in that station of life which his parents designed for him.  He worked hard as a journeyman, married a wife, and lived in reputation and credit for some small space, but falling unluckily into loose company, he gave himself up entirely to drinking and running after bad women, which soon ruined him in the country and obliged him to come up to London for the sake of subsistence. How long he had been there, or of what standing his acquaintance was with the other two criminals, I cannot take upon me to say. Only he in general was a fellow of greater openness in his behaviour than any of the criminals before mentioned. He said that they had all taken their cups pretty freely together, and had spent every farthing that they had amongst them. It was then resolved to go upon the highway for a supply, but he could not say who was the proposer of the scheme, that he himself had a sword and cane and the rest truncheons when they attacked Mr. Sells. He, Sells, gave them at two several times seventeen shillings, and when they pressed for still more said he had but eighteen pence about him, and begged they would let him have that to come to town with, which he said they agreed to, and did not offer him any ill-usage whatsoever. At the same time these unhappy men were under sentence of death, Alexander Jones, John Platt, Mary Reynolds, Sylvia Sherlock, and Ann Senior were also condemned for several offences, and as is but too common with persons in their condition, all of them entertained strong notions of reprieves or pardons, so that when the death warrant came down, and these three found themselves ordered for execution, they were not a little surprised. But as they had much natural courage, they made even that surprise turn to their advantage, and applied themselves with greater earnestness than ever to the duties necessary to be practiced by people in their sad state. When the day of their execution came, they were carried in one cart to Tibern, and as they had been companions in that single action which had brought all of them to death, so there was nobody to share in that unhappy fate with them, nor were they disturbed with the sorrows of other criminals which often distract one and other's devotions at Tibern. On the contrary, their behavior was grave and decent, their public devotions were closed with a psalm, and with many demonstrations of repentance they resigned their lives on the 11th of August 1727, Tim's being about twenty-eight years of age, Perry near forty, and Brown somewhat less than twenty-four years old at the time of their execution. Chapter 43 of Lives of the Most Remarkable Criminals Volume 2. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org. Recording by Jeffrey Wilson, Ames, Iowa. Lives of the Most Remarkable Criminals Volume 2 by Arthur L. Hayward. The Life of Alice Green. A Cheat, Thief, and Housebreaker.  This woman, whose life I am about to relate, was the daughter of an under-officer to one of the colleges at Oxford. As the doctrine of making up small salaries by taking up large perquisites prevails there as well as elsewhere, Alice's father made a shift to keep himself, his wife, and five children in a handsome manner out of sixty pounds a year, and what he made besides of his place. An affectation of gentility had infected the whole family. The old man had a good voice and played tolerably well on the fiddle. This drew abundance of the young smart fellows of the university to his house, and that, of course, engaged his three daughters to take all the pains they were able to make themselves agreeable. The mother had great hopes that fine clothes and a jaunty heir might marry her daughters to some gentleman of tolerable fortunes, and that one of them at least might have a chance of catching a fellow commoner with a thousand or two per annum, for which reason Miss Molly, Miss Jenny, and Miss Alice were all bred to the dancing school, taught to sing prettily, and to touch the spinet with an agreeable air. In short, the house was a mansion of politeness, and except the two brothers, one of which was put out apprentice to a carpenter and the other to a shoemaker, there was not a person to be seen in it who looked, spoke, or acted as became them in their proper station of life, but it is necessary that we should come to a more particular description. Old Peter, their father, was a man of mean birth and of a sort of accidental education. From his youth up he had lived in Oxford, and from the time he was able to know anything, within the pearl use of a college, from whence he had gleaned up a few Latin sentences, scraps of poetry, and as the masterpiece of his improvements, had acquired a good knack of punning. All these mighty qualifications were bent to keep a good house, and drinking two or three quarts of strong ale, accompanied with a song, and two or three hours scraping at night. The mother again was the last remnant of a decayed family, who charged its ruin on the civil wars. She was exceedingly puffed up with the notions of her birth, and the respect that was due to a person not sprung from the vulgar. Her education had extended no farther than the knowledge of preserving, pickling, and making fricassees, a pretty exact knowledge in the several kinds of points, and a judgment not to be despised in the choice of lace, silks, and ribbons. She affected extravagance that she might not appear mean, and troublesomely ceremonious that she might not seem to want good manners. Clothes for herself and her daughters, a good quantity of china and some other exuberances of a fancy almost turned mad with the love of finery, made up the circle of what took up her thoughts, the daughters participating in their parents' tempers. But what was wonderful indeed, the sons were honest, sober, industrious young men. In the midst of all this mirth and splendor, the father died, and left them all totally without support other than their own industry could procure for them. Slender provision indeed. Miss Molly the eldest was about twenty-two at the time of her father's death, and her sisters were each of them younger than her, and Alice a year younger than Jenny, and about eighteen. The mother was at her wit's end to know how to procure a living for herself and them. But an old gentleman in one of the colleges, to whom Peter had been very useful, and who therefore retained a grateful sense of his service, was so kind as to give fifty pounds towards putting out the daughters, and took care to see the youngest Alice placed with a Mantua-maker in London. Molly fell into a consumption, as was generally said, for the love of a young gentleman who used to spend his evenings at her father's, and who marrying a young lady of suitable birth and fortune to himself, was retired into structure. Jenny ran away with a servitor, and was lost to her mother and her friends, so that Alice had it in her power to be tolerably provided for, if she had inclined to have lived virtuously, and not to have frustrated the offers of a good fortune. But she was wild and silly from her cradle, born without capacity to do good to herself, and endued only with such cunning as served her to ruin others. The first intrigue she had after her coming up to London was with a young fellow who was clerk to a justice of the peace in the neighbourhood. Before he saw Alice he had been a careful industrious young man, and through his master's kindness had picked up some money. But from the time that his master had a suit of clothes made up with Alice's mistress, and which occasioned her first coming about the house, poor Mr. Philip became the victim of her charms, and moped up and down like a hen that had lost her chickens. It was not long before the justice's daughters found out his passion, and having communicated their discovery to the maids, exposed him to be the laughing-stock of the whole house. Never was a poor young fellow so pestered. One asked him whether he liked the wife with three trades. Another was inquiring whether he had cast up the amount of remnants of silk, shreds of lace, and the savings that might be made out of linings, facings and robings. The justice took notice that Philip had left off reading the news, and the old lady wondered whether he had forgotten playing upon the organ in her husband's study. But all this served rather to increase than to abate his passion, so that he neglected no opportunity of meeting and paying his addresses to his mistress. Alice was no less careful on her side, and in a short space it was agreed that she should run away from her mistress, of whom she was grown heartily weary, and that Philip should counterfeit most excessive grief at his loss, in order to prevent the least suspicion of his being privy there too. Having adjusted this, it was not long before they put their design into execution, and Philip, first having provided a lodging for her in Brewer Street, she, on a Sunday in the evening, when all the rest of the family were out, removed from her mistress's house in a court near the strand, taking all that belonged to her in a hackney-coach, leaving the key at an ale-house. Philip had so good a character that the grief he affected on this occasion passed for reality upon all the house, and the flight of Alice had no other effect than to excite a new spring of railery on the loss of his mistress. He laid out the greatest part of what he had saved during five years' service in furnishing out two rooms for her very neatly, passing himself where she lodged for the son of a gentleman of fortune in the country, who had married against his friend's consent, and was therefore obliged to keep his wife in a place of privacy until things at home could be made easy. For some time the lovers lived mighty happily together, and nothing was wanting to complete Philip's wishes than that they were married. For Alice never making such a proposal, now and then disturbed his thoughts, and put him a little out of humor. Things remained in this state with a little alteration for about five months. Until an Irish captain coming to lodge pretty near where Philip had placed Alice, he found a way to see her twice or thrice, and, being a fellow of a smooth tongue, a handsome person and an immoderate assurance, it was not long before he became master of her affections. The temper of Philip having been always too grave for her, in about three weeks' time she let the captain into the truth of the whole story, and at his persuasion, during the time Philip was at Surrey assizes, sold off the furniture of her lodgings, and, directing a letter to be left for him at his master's house by the penny post, moved off with her new gallant. It would be impossible, should I attempt to describe it, to describe the agony the poor young fellow was in at the receipt of Alice's epistle, in which she told him flatly she was weary of him, and had got another gallant, and, saying that if he tried to look after her, or give her any other uneasiness, she would send a full account of all things to his master. The jilt was sensible this would keep him quiet, for as he depended solely upon his favor, so a story of this sort would have inevitably deprived him of it forever. It answered her intent, and the force he put upon his passions cost him a severe fit of sickness. Alice, in the meanwhile, indulged for about a week with her Irish captain, at the end of which he beat her and turned her out of doors. It was in vain for her to talk of her goods and her clothes. The captain had carried her amongst a set of his acquaintance, who on the first quarrel called her a thousand foolish English whores, and bid her go back to her justice's clerk again. In the midst of her affliction, with nothing on but a linen gown, and about three shillings in her pocket, the watchmen coming his rounds found her sitting on the steps at the door where the captain lodged. He asked her what she did there, she said her husband and she had quarrelled and he had shut her out. The watchmen was going away, satisfied with the answer, when the captain called out at the window, told him she was a street walker, and bid him take her away. The landlady confirmed this, and the fellow laying fast hold of her shoulder compelled her to go with him to the watchhouse. However a shilling procured her liberty and a favourable report to the constable that she was an honest young woman who had the misfortune to be married to a bad husband, who turned her into the street and she was afraid would not suffer her to come in again that night. Upon hearing this the constable bid her sit down by the fire, gave her a glass of brandy and promised her she should be as safe and as easy as the place would allow her for that night. But unluckily for Alice, as she went to take the glass out of the constable's hand, he knew her face, and happening to be the baker who served the mantua-maker with bread where she lived, the next morning he conducted Mrs. Alice, much against her will, home to her mistress. One of her fellow apprentices ran with the news to the justices, and one of the daughters whispered it in Philip's ears as he was writing a recognizance in the justices' book. Philip no sooner heard it but he fell down in a swoon, and about half an hour was spent before they could bring him again to himself. The young lady who had played him the trick immediately quitted the room, and he opening his eyes and perceiving her gone pretended it was a sudden fit and that he had been used to them when a child. Much as he had suffered by this ungrateful woman, he took the first opportunity to go to a coffee-house within a door or two of her mistress in order to learn what had become of her.  Philip therefore sent for his confidant, from whom he received information that after snivelling and crying for an hour or two she took advantage of being left alone in a parlor, although the door was locked, and getting out of the window into the backyard made a shift to scramble over the top of the house of office into the court, and so made her escape to the waterside, where her mistress found she had taken a pair of oars. But though they followed her to falcon stares, yet they were not able to retrieve her. Philip at this news was exceedingly grieved, and returned home again very disconsolate on this occasion. Alice, in the meantime, lurked about in St. George's fields till evening, and then crossing the bridge walked on toward St. James's. However dirty and despicable her dress, yet as she had a very pretty face and a very engaging manner of speaking at first sight, she drew in a merchant's bookkeeper as she walked down Cornhill to carry her to a certain tavern at the corner of Bishop's Gate Street, where after a good supper and a bottle or two of wine she engaged him to take her to a lodging, and by degrees to give her a great deal of fine clothes. In return for which she flattered him so greatly that he grew as fond of her and as much a fool as ever Philip had been. In the meantime her sister, who was much of her disposition, had been turned off by a young fellow she had run away with from Oxford, and in a miserable condition had trotted up to town in order to see whether she could have better luck with another gallant. One night, as she was strolling through Leadon Hall Street in her vocation, she saw her sister Alice and the bookkeeper who kept her, walking home with a servant, and a candle and lantern before them. Jenny did not think fit to speak to them, but dogging them privately home, called upon her sister the next day and was mighty well received. The couple now took every opportunity, not withstanding the allowance of the bookkeeper, to enable Alice to stroll out with her together, and wandered about nightly in quest of adventures, till it began to grow towards ten o'clock, and the fear of a visit from her keeper drove Alice to her lodgings. This trade, without any remarkable accident, was practiced for about three months, when on a sudden the bookkeeper vanished, and for three weeks time Alice heard not a word of him. This threw both the sisters into a heavy peck of troubles, and the more because he had always kept it a secret in whose family he lived and went to the people where Alice lodged by another named in his own. However, they got money enough by sparks they picked up to live pretty easily together, and that no misfortune might go to near their hearts, they felt drinking a quart of brandy a day. It seems the woman at whose house they lodged was herself given to drinking, and so by treating her they fell into the same vice. The landlady in return was mighty civil to them, and every now and then invited them downstairs to drink with her. One evening when they were below stairs, there happened to be some discourse about a trial at the Sessions' house, whereupon Alice expressed her desire of seeing the trials, and her sister agreeing in the request, their landlady agreed to carry them the next morning. Accordingly they were at Sessions' house by the time the court was set, and the two young sluts were exceedingly merry at the wretched appearances the poor creatures made at the bar. In the midst of their mirth a man was brought up to plead to his indictment, who had only a blanket wrapped over his shirt to keep him from the weather. They were laughing and talking to some of the people behind them, when Jenny patted her sister to take notice of what the man was charged with. Alice listened and heard the indictment read, which was for breaking open an escutoire and taking out of it ninety guineas, two diamond rings, and a good tweezer. When the clerk had done reading, the criminal answered with a low voice, not guilty, and the keeper thereupon took him from the bar. As he turned, his face being towards them, Alice saw that it was the bookkeeper who had lived with her, and in a low voice whispered her sister, as I hope to live it is our tom. They did not stay much longer, but began to consider as soon as they got home what was to be done. Alice was sensible that the tweezer case mentioned in the indictment had been given her, and was under a thousand frights and fears that it should be discovered, and was above all wondrous careful of her landlady, that she did not go any more to the trials at sessions. The day they heard that sentence was passed, Jenny went to one of the runners at Newgate, and giving him a shilling, asked what had become of such a person. The fellow answered that he was to be transported. Jenny came immediately home with the news to her sister. She shed a few tears and said, what if he should want in Newgate? Nay, says Jenny, let him want what he will. I'm sure you shall not be full enough to pawn your things to relieve him. And as her fit of compassion was soon over, so they determined to remove their lodgings for fear that if he were under necessity, as they could not well doubt he was, considering the figure he made at his trial, he might send to her. But they needed not to have been under any apprehensions of that sort. For shame and grief had brought him so low that the jail distemper seizing on him, he died the same week he had been tried, and the runner to whom Jenny had given the shilling, remembering her face, stopped her in the street and told her the news. When Alice heard it, she pretended to fall into fits and express abundance of sorrow and concern. The sorrows were not, however, so deep, but that Brandy and two days' time affaced them so well that she dressed in the best manner she was able in order to go out and look for a spark. Unfortunately for her, her amours produced the usual consequence, a loathsome distemper, which seizing about the same time both her sister and herself, through want of proper care, ruined both their constitutions. And the ill consequence, being increased by the use of improper food, they were soon after in such a condition that their infamous trade of prostitution fell off, and they were in danger of starving and rotting. In this distress they knew not what to do, till at last advising with an old woman whom they had scraped acquaintance with, she readily offered them the use of her house, and to engage for them a surgeon who should complete their cure. The sisters were overjoyed at this, and in a hurry accepted her offer, removing themselves and what little valuable moveables they had the next week. They were received with great courtesy and kindness, and the old woman, from an acquaintance of three weeks, assured them that they were no less dear to her than if they had been her own daughters. This treatment continued until they were in the height of a salivation, and then they were acquainted with usage of another sort. This distemper was very expensive, their course of physics very troublesome, it required much attendance, they were strangers to her, and so by degrees the old woman got from them most of the trinkets they brought with them, so that when they were calm a little to themselves, and nourishing food was proper to restore them to perfect soundness, they had no way left to procure it but by pawning or selling their clothes, which being quickly done and the money spent, nakedness and poverty became their companions. Thus plunged in misery, they were exposed to the daily insults of the bod who treated them with great cruelty now she had them absolutely in her power. Alice was so very uneasy under it that having one night got a few clean things about her, she resolved to venture out in a thin linen gown to see what might be done to free them from these difficulties. She had not got lower than Southampton Street in the Strand, before a gentleman well dressed, though much in liquor, invited her to go with him to his chambers. He carried her as far as Essex Street, and then turning down to the temple, brought her into rooms up two pair of stairs, richly furnished. She saw nobody that he had to attend him, but everything seemed in very exact order, and so without further ceremony to bed they went. His weight of liquor soon forced him to sleep, but Alice whose head was full of the miseries she had so long gone through, arose, put on her clothes and searching his pockets, found a gold watch, nineteen guineas, and a large gold medal. She was so much surprised with the richness of the booty, and yet this being her first fact, so confounded within herself that she knew not well what to do. At last, with great difficulty she forced open the chamber door which he had locked and laid the key where she could not find it. Next she came to the outer doors of the chambers, in which the key was, and so there was no difficulty in getting out, but then finding it impossible to shut the door after her without locking it, she even did so and carried away the key. She made all the haste she could home to her landlady, and without considering the consequence, paid her six pounds which she demanded, and got some clothes out of her hands which she had retained as a security for the money. Then she removed with her sister, as secretly as she could, to an inn in Smithfield, and from thence the next day they removed to a little lodging in a narrow lane by St. John's, where downright fear made them keep so much within doors that they had almost spent all their money in six weeks' time without thinking of any method to get more. At last Jenny, as being least in danger, equipped herself as well as she could, and ventured about nine o'clock one evening into the streets. She walked about half an hour without meeting with any adventure, but at last picked up an innocent country lad. They had not gone far towards a tavern before the constable and his bodyguard of watchmen surprised and hurried them away to the Wood Street counter. There she remained until the next day, when it was intimated to her that if she could produce a couple of guineas they would be looked upon as good bail. She sent for her sister Alice, who not having so much money, foolishly offered the gold medal as a security. Some of the limbs of the law thereabouts were acquainted with the gentleman of the temple who lost it, and it being shown up and down to know its value, they declared it was stolen, and Alice, instead of procuring her sister's liberty, was forced into the same prison and confined with her. As it was about three weeks to sessions they were permitted to remain at the counter during that time. This was a deeper plunge into misfortune than they had ever yet known, and the fear of hanging was so strong that Alice, in order to avoid it, resolved upon making an application to a person to whom otherwise she would never have made herself known. Who should this be but Philip, who was lately married but still did the business of his old master the justice, and therefore was always to be met with at his house, though he had now got a little place upon which he was capable of living pretty handsomely. Alice's letter reached him just as he was sitting down to dinner. The surprise he was in was so great that it could not be hid from the company. However, to cover the cause of it, he pretended that it brought him news of a person being gone off for whom he was bail, and which obliged him not to lose a minute in going to see what might be done. So putting on his hat, and in treating some gentlemen who were at the table with him not to disturb themselves, for he should be back in half an hour, away he went directly to the counter, and having influence over the people in power there, he prevailed to have her let out to an adjacent tavern. The affliction she had gone through had altered but not impaired her beauty. Philip, ill-used as he had been by her, could not forbear bursting into tears at the sight of the miserable condition in which she was. As soon as his surprise was a little over, she acquainted him with the true state of the case, and begged his assistance in prevailing on the injured gentlemen to soften the prosecution. He promised her all that was in his power, but desired to know after what manner she intended to live in case her liberty could ever be regained. She cried and promised to work hard for her living rather than fall into that miserable plight again, and then told him how unfortunately it happened that her sister also was involved in the same calamity. At parting Philip presented her with a guinea, and told her she should have the same every week while she remained there, assuring her also that he would not fail coming to her the next day at noon, and informing her of the temper in which he found her antagonist. It happened that the Templar was Philip's intimate acquaintance, and had a seat near his father's house in the country. Philip told him the truth of the story, and how he came to interest himself so far in the affair. The gentleman was not hard to be prevailed on, and said he did not conceive it would be of any service to the women to let them be set at liberty, considering the course of life they would be obliged immediately to fall into for bread. That for his part he inclined rather to procure them liberty to transport themselves, and that they might not be destitute in a strange country, he was not averse, not withstanding his loss, to give them something towards putting them in a condition of getting their livelihood when they got over. Philip readily agreed to this, though he was fearful of its proving an expedient little agreeable to the women. However the next day when he went he sent for them both to the tavern and proposed it. Alice said it was the most agreeable thing that could have befallen her. She was sensible of the manner in which she had lived in her native country, and of the difficulty there would be of her amending here. And though her sister Jenny was at first very averse, yet she quickly brought her to be as complying as herself, and to wish nothing more than the possibility of living honest in any of the plantations. Philip carried this news at night to the temple and the gentleman there, who was a great humorist, was so much taken with the temper and spirit of Alice, that he would need see her again, and thereupon accompanied Philip the next day to the place of her confinement. There everything was soon settled, the Templar procured their discharge, put them to board at a house which he could command, and bargained with the captain of a New England vessel for their passage thither, not as for persons who had been guilty of any misdeeds here, but as of young women of good families who were unwilling to go to service here, and had therefore got their friends to raise as much money as would send them over there, where perhaps they might meet with better fortune. In short their two benefactors furnished them with things to the amount of two hundred pounds, accompanied them themselves on board the vessel, and recommended them to the captain with as much earnestness as if they had been near relations. Coming in this light into the abroad they were received with great hospitality, and treated with much kindness and respect, and in fine, after remaining there about a year, Jenny married a gentleman of as good fortune as any in the country, and her sister, not long after, had the same luck. Jenny did not indeed survive it long, but Alice outlived her first husband, and marrying a second, returned into England where she is still living in as much respect and esteem as any gentle woman in the county where she inhabits. End of section 43, Recording by Jeffrey Wilson, Ames, Iowa Chapter 44 of Lives of the Most Remarkable Criminals, Volume 2 This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org. Recording by Jeffrey Wilson, Ames, Iowa Lives of the Most Remarkable Criminals, Volume 2 by Arthur L. Hayward An account of the horrid murder of Mr. Whittington Darby, committed in his chambers in the temple on the 11th of April, 1727, for which one Henry Fisher was apprehended and committed to Newgate from whence he escaped. The deceased Mr. Darby was a young gentleman who made an extraordinary good appearance in the world. He generally wore fine rings, rich snuff boxes, and an extraordinary gold watch about him. These things possibly tempted a needy person of his acquaintance to be guilty of that barbarous murder which was committed upon him. He lived in the chambers belonging to Sir George Cook's office in the temple. His servant lived in another place and went home every night. It happened the night before, or rather in that wherein he was murdered, that Mr. Darby had a good deal of company with him, who, supping late, they did not go away until eleven o'clock, when Mr. Darby's servant also retired to his lodgings. The next morning, being Tuesday about nine o'clock, Mr. Darby was found dead in the said office, his skull penetrated with a pistol ball, his ear and hand cut, his rings, watch, and other valuables taken away, besides his escutoire broken open and his money and linen taken from thence. The next day the coroner's inquest sat thereon, but, being able to make no discovery of the murder, they thought fit to adjourn Sinedia as soon as the coroner had made an order for the interment of his corpse, which was done accordingly in a vault in the church of St. Andrew's Holborn. Some time passed before any light was got into this affair. At length Mr. Moody, who had been upon the coroner's inquest who had sat on the body of Mr. Darby, received information that one Fisher, who had been in very bad circumstances, and as an acquaintance had been relieved under him by the deceased Mr. Darby, was all on a sudden, since the committing of that murder, observed to have a great deal of money. He had paid some debts which had been troublesome to him and was observed to have some valuable things about him which had never been seen before. These circumstances appearing altogether very suspicious, Mr. Moody acquainted Mr. York with it, who had been very assiduous in taking all measures possible for the discover of this horrid assassination. He, falling readily into Mr. Moody's opinion, they agreed together that the likeliest method to find out the truth was to go to Mr. Willoughby, who was Fisher's landlord and known to be a very honest man. Accordingly they went to him in a tavern in Southampton Street, where they understood he was, and falling into discourse about Mr. Darby's murder, they insinuated to him the suspicions they had of his lodger. Returning to his house, Fisher being away, Mr. Willoughby went to his room and broke open a box, and found in it the top and bottom of a snuff box, a wizard mask, and a pair of laced ruffles. The remains of the snuff box Mr. York knew to have belonged to the deceased, and had reason to suspect the ruffles also to have been his. So that it was immediately agreed to go before the Honorable Sir William Thompson in order to procure a warrant. Footnote Sir William Thompson, 1678-1739, was recorder of London in 1715, solicitor general two years later, and in 1729, became baron of the exchequer. End of footnote. There they made an affidavit of the several circumstances attending their discovery, and Sir William, upon the examination also of a lady who produced a piece of lace before she had seen the ruffle, and declared that if it were Mr. Darby's it must tally therewith, which on a comparison it did exactly, granted a warrant. It appeared also at the same time, upon the oath of Mr. Willoughby, that the day Mr. Darby was murdered, Fisher borrowed half a crown of him to pay his washer-woman, and was in the utmost necessity for money. A woman swore that a person very like Fisher was hovering about Mr. Darby's chambers the night the murder was committed, and it was proved by the oath of another person that Fisher came not to his lodgings till two o'clock on Tuesday morning, on which Mr. Darby was murdered. About eight o'clock a porter came and informed Mr. Fisher of Mr. Darby's being murdered, at which he showed little concern, and locked himself up for some hours. Things being thus over at Sir William Thompson's, Mr. Willoughby, Mr. York, and Mr. Moody returned to Fisher's lodgings. About two o'clock in the morning he came in, and they seized him, having a constable and proper assistance for that purpose. On Sunday noon he was carried before Sir William Thompson in order to be examined, where he said that about the latter end of the week in which Mr. Darby was murdered, as he was passing through Lincoln's Inn fields about four in the afternoon, he took up under the wall of Lincoln's Inn gardens, a white paper parcel in which were contained several things of great value belonging to the deceased. Some of the diamonds he acknowledged he sold to a jeweler in Padernas to row for ten guineas, the watch he pawned for nine guineas to a person at a braziers in Bond Street, and sold the gold chain and swivels to a person in Lombard Street. He absolutely denied all knowledge of the murder, and said that at the time it happened he was at a billiard table in Duke Street by St. James's. When taken there was found upon him two of Mr. Darby's rings with the stones taken out, wrapped up in a paper with his seal, the arms of which were taken out, and in these circumstances he was committed to Newgate. Soon after this the coroner granted his warrant, and in order being thereupon obtained from the commons, Mr. Darby's body was taken up and in the presence of several persons his head opened by an eminent surgeon, who found a large, lacerated wound near the left ear, the temporal bone on that side being very much fractured, several pieces of which stuck in the brain on the same side. He found likewise the temporal bone on the other side exactly opposite, broken. The pieces thereof were not removed from their places, but easily removed upon his attempting to take them away. He took out the brain, and the bullet dropped upon the pillow which lay upon the ground under his head. It appeared upon comparing the said bullet taken out of the head with some other bullets found in custody of Henry Fisher at that time in Newgate on suspicion of the murder, that it seemed to have been cast in the same mould, and when weighing it with one of these bullets it was very little lighter. And it fitted the bore of one of the pistols which was found in Fisher's custody, even that pistol which by some signs were looked on to have been discharged, though afterwards loaded again. This Fisher was the son of a very eminent clothier in the west of England, who had sent him to London and put him out clerk to an attorney, and had done everything in his power which he was able, and which was reasonable for him to do. But he, being extravagant, lived far beyond the rate which was consistent with the supplies he received from his father, so that when pressed by his necessities he had often applied to Mr. Darby for relief. When in Newgate he affected a most unreasonable gaiety and unconcernedness in his behaviour, although the circumstances were so strong against him as occasioned it to prevail as the general opinion that he would be convicted. However he and the famous Roger Johnson took the advantage of the workmen laboring on the cells which were then building, and by breaking a hole through a place done up only with lath and plaster they got down one of the workmen's ladders, and so made their escape. Johnson was afterwards retaken and tried for breaking prison, but alleging it was done by Fisher he was acquitted, and this Henry Fisher, the supposed murderer of Mr. Darby, was never heard of since. Chapter 45 of Lives of the Most Remarkable Criminals Volume 2 This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings are in the public domain. For more information or to volunteer, please visit LibriVox.org. Lives of the Most Remarkable Criminals Volume 2 by Arthur L. Hayward Chapter 45 The Life of Joshua Cornwall A Thief and Housebreaker Though vices are undoubtedly the chief instruments that bring unhappy persons to that ignominious death which the law has appointed for enormous offenses, yet it very often happens that folly rather than wickedness brings them first into the road of ruin, in which, led on by delusive hopes, they continue to run until a disastrous fate overtakes them and puts an end at once to their vicious race and to their lives. The criminal whose memoirs at present employ our pen is such an example as a hope, while it entertains, may also instruct my readers to avoid his errors. This unfortunate man was the son of reputable and honest parents in the town of Brigh, in the county of Lincoln. Their circumstances were such as enabled them to give him an education and the desire the head of doing everything that was possible for their son inclined them not to be wanting in this particular. His mother was fond of him to a fault and being permitted by her indulgence to run up and down amongst young people of his own age, riding across the country to friends and other diversions of alike nature. He lost all liking to things of serious nature and without thinking how to procure the necessaries of life was altogether taken up in enjoying those pleasures to which he had the greatest inclination. In the midst of this pleasant situation of things, at least as it appeared to him at that time, the prospect was darkened by the death of his mother. His friends retained for him a due paternal affection, but had no notion of permitting him to go on the life he led, and therefore to break him of that as well as to make him acquainted with an honest method of getting his living, his father put him out apprentice to a baker in Hull. But as kindness seemed of all things the most fatal to this unhappy man, so the acquaintance and friendship which his master had for Cornwall's family became a new means of leading him into misfortune. For treating the young man rather with a tenderness, due to a son, than the severity which is usually practiced towards apprentices and servants, it gave him an opportunity of renewing his old course of life. Instead of inclining him to behave in a manner which might deserve such linty, it gave him, on the contrary, occasion-frequently abused by running from one dancing boat and merrymaking to another, without the least care of his master's business, who out of downright affection for Bohr to restrain his follies with that harshness which they deserved, and which any other person would have used. At length, having acquired so great a habit of laziness, and so strong an aversion to business, that he found it impossible for him to live longer in the country, he came up to London, that great receptacle of those who are either unable or unwilling to live anywhere else. Here he got into service as a food man with several persons of worth and discharged his duty well, as indeed it was a kind of life which of all others suited him best. Though that he obtained a tolerable reputation, whereby he got into the service of one Mr. Fenwick, a gentleman of affluent fortune, here it was that through desire of abounding in money he either drew in others or was drawn in himself to commit that crime which cost him his life. It seems that in Mr. Fenwick's family there was a great deal of plate used which stood on a buffet. This tempted Cornwall, and it is highly likely gave him the first notion of attempting to rob the house. When he had once formed this project, he resolved to take in one rivers, a debauched companion of his, as a partner in the design theft. This rivers was certainly easy enough prevailed on to join in the commission of this fact, and after several meetings to consult upon proper measures, rivers at last proposed that their scheme should be put in execution as soon as possible, and that he might the more perfectly conceive how it was to be managed. He went home with Cornwall and looked upon the house. Soon after this they held their last consultation, and Cornwall saying to Rivers that he must bring some other persons to assist him. Rivers made choice of one Gerst, and coming with him at the appointed hour, Cornwall and his shirt opened the door, and let them in. In the buffet there stood a lighted candle in a silver candlestick, by which they were directed to the rest of the plate, which as soon as they had taken out they placed all together upon the carpet, and fell next to rifling Mr. Fenwick's bureau, and took out a great quantity of linen, a lady's lace, the tea equipage, and two silver canisters. Then making it up in a bundle it was carried to Rivers' lodgings in Vinegar Yard, Druby Lane. All this could not be performed with so little noise as not to disturb the family. Mr. Fenwick himself heard the noise being awakened by his wife, who had heard it for some time, but it ceasing, they fell asleep again, until one of the servants came up in the morning, and told his master that the house had been robbed, the plate taken away, and a window in the back parlor left open, about which, as he could observe no marks of violence, he was led to suspect it was opened by somebody in the family. Upon which Cornwall and a maid in the house were immediately thought to have a hand in. However, as there was no sort of proof, Mr. Fenwick for bore seizing them at that time, and contended himself with advertising his plate, which advertisement coming into the hands of a pawnbroker, to whom a part of it had been pledged, he immediately gave notice that it was pawned to him by Rivers. A warrant being upon this obtained for the searching of Rivers' lodging, a note was there found, directed to Thomas Rivers, Glower, in Guy's Court, Vinegar Yard, Druby Lane, in which were these words. Dear Tom, let me see you at seven o'clock tomorrow morning, at the post on Spring Tower Hill, be sure. Joshua Cornwall Upon this Cornwall was immediately taken up, and girls readily offered himself an evidence. In a few days after sessions coming on, Joshua Cornwall and Thomas Rivers were indicted for burglaryously breaking the house of Nicholas Fenwick, a squire, and taking thence diverse pieces of plate, to the value of eighty-five pounds, nineteen shillings, Holland shirts to the value of twenty pounds, and other goods of the said Mr. Fenwick, on the eighth day of September, 1730. This indictment being fully proved, the jury found Thomas Rivers guilty thereof. But being dubious whether Joshua Cornwall, as a servant within the house of Mr. Fenwick, could be properly convicted of burglaryously breaking into his said master's house, they found their verdict as to him special. Which the judges having considered they were anonymously of opinion, that the crime was in its nature a burglary, whereupon, at the following sessions at the Old Bailey, the criminal was brought to the bar, and being acquainted with their lordship's opinion, received sentence of death. Under conviction he becaved himself with great penitence, said he had not been guilty of many of those atrocious crimes, commonly practiced by such, as come to that fatal end whither his folly had led him. At the place of execution he, with great fervency, justified the character of a young woman who had lived fellow servant with him at Mr. Fenwick's. He declared, as he was a dying man, that she was not in the least privy to the injury done her master, and that he had no other than an acquaintance with her, without either having or attempting any criminal conversation with her. Having done this justice he seemed to die with much composure in the twenty-second year of his age, on the 23rd of December, 1730. End of Chapter 45 This is also the end of Lives of the Most Remarkable Criminals, who have been condemned and executed for murder, the highway, housebreaking, street robberies, coining or other offenses. Volume 2 by Arthur L. Hayward


I do a quick little baseball interjection. I just need, I just really need a space to put this out here. Royce Lewis. Now I will start this by saying, very, very, very, very good baseball player has ruined my life. He has ruined my life all season. He's ruined my life when I watched them there. He's ruined my life when I watched them on TV. And he's ruining my life today. His second home run of the effing day. I can't do it. I cannot do it. I cannot do it with Royce Lewis. You are very good, but I feel like it's targeted and I just cannot, I cannot deal with it. I was going to go to a baseball game like a month ago to watch. I'm like, I might as well go because it's going to be one of the last ones. And I walk across the street. I'm getting ready to go to the game and Lucas Geolito gives a meatball down the middle grand slam Royce Lewis. But no, that's not where it stops. Two weeks before that, he hit back to back grand slams, back to back days against my baseball team. I can't do it. I cannot do it with this man. I can't do it. But he's very good. And I wish he played for my team.


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This is covering the spread part of the Fandall podcast network We have got a loaded Tuesday on tap here on covering the spread We're gonna take our first look at NFL week number two lines Let you know what my numbers are saying about those and also recap week number one But first we got a talk some pitching props a Rob Friedman pitching ninjas here break down his favorite bets for Tuesday My name is Jim Sonnis. I am a senior writer and analyst for number fire comm joining me here here as he does every Tuesday Is Rob Friedman checking out on Twitter. I pitching into find his work at Fox Sports Peacock MLB and Nessan Rob It is a digrom day. So I feel like I know the answer, but how you doing today? I'm doing great There's a ton of great pitching today, too. Like it's not just a grom. It's like everybody They they need to spread it out more. Don't you think I know we'll put we'll assign to grom every every Monday We'll assign Cole every Tuesday Darvish Thursday. We can probably work it around that way, right? I think that's a great idea. Spread it out. My work gets too tough if you have them all in one day That's right now We were talking before the show and you were like talk we're talking about redemurs And you pulled up a baseball like out of the screen like out of nowhere So are you just constantly holding a baseball at all times waiting to explain like grips? Or is this just like a because I play with my hands, too Because I have like massive like ADHD as you could probably tell like I play with things with my hands, too But is it just like a fidgeting thing or just like you need this to like show, you know Like grips and stuff like that. I'd like to say it's about grips I do constantly play with grips, but it's more of a fidgety thing. I think it's just something that I have that I enjoy I don't know. It's it's different, right? Yeah, one of those fidget spinner things. Yeah, we used to use my object of the day is my wireless headphones They're just here. I just feel like playing with them right now. So I am fully on board at this I do have a couple like like fancy baseball trophies that are baseballs. I could play with that instead You know, we'll we'll work on this and workshop I'll clean way go here, too, which is a training thing, but I sometimes use this too. It's I don't know man It's I love it. I love it. And the good thing is you can distract yourself as you're sweating some strikeout props Personally, hopefully not sweating too much. Let's dive in the strikeout props you have on tap for Tuesday We mentioned a grom we got Garrett Cole tonight when you're looking at the board in terms of strikeout props What's standing out to you? Well, I myself have a three leg parlay with Cole for seven K's or more Darvish or seven K's or more and Kyle right in the night cap for six K's or more because I think The braves had like 14 K's last night. I think they figured the Giants out Giants K a decent amount and right is a You know underrated stud.   They did get there. Um, you had you had, uh, raw The guy who got scratched. I can't remember who was scratched drew Rasmussen got scratched Yeah, but like, hey, you got those two Hopefully it was just like, you know, you ride at those two that wouldn't work for sure So I'm feeling pretty good about this one Rob. You got Cole over six and a half That's minus 150 Darvish over six and a half is plus 104 right over five and a half plus 116 Now right rocky start last time out, but the overall trend for right has seemed to be To be getting more strikeouts Are you kind of picking up on the same thing that I have because it seems like there's been a bit more juice In infamy strikeout perspective recently I I agree and I think he's always a threat to have a 10 K game like to me Right stuff when he's on his curveball is one of the better curveballs in the majors Um, and I think pitching alongside charlie mortens really helped him So I I like it. He's got a lot of confidence in his game Yeah, I mean I I I definitely sense a trend up, but he's been good all year like he is He's a legit, you know top tier starter and a lot of people don't realize that I mean winds are winds are not a good stat But like the fact that he has 17 of them that probably indicates he's been pitching pretty well So good year for Kyle right and if you combine all three of those together It's plus 6 34 over at fan dual sports book right now with Cole darvish and right at seven seven and six respectively I do want to talk to you about jacob degrom though before we let you go For today because degrom's strikeout prop is nine and a half Minus 140 on the over now. I told you before I've got him projected at 10 and a half For today, which would lead you to believe I'd like the over but I have a hard time getting there rob This is an astronomical number. What's your read on jacob degrom facing off against a high strikeout cubs team? Yeah, I mean my guess I always go the over for degrom just because it's it's more rooting though than actual like math Um, I you know when degrom strikes out a lot of hitters. It's a good day for me And I love watching him pitch. He is like a highlight, you know in and of himself drop everything every time he throws As good as anybody's ever pitched in the game. So yeah, I like him for the over, but I don't like minus 140 no like come on like You know, I agree that it's a rooting interest kind of thing at that point because he's just he's just so fun to watch Now the one I do like for today is jordan montgomery and montgomery to me Has undergone this fascinating shift ever since he joined the cardinals where it seems like A total totally different pitcher in terms of his approach in terms of the way he's pitching out there What have you seen the jordan montgomery with the cardinals made him so different than what he was with the yankees It really is and I just saw an interview with him where he talked about that Like it's a whole degree of confidence The yankees said hey jordan your fastball sucks So why don't you rely on your off speed pitches? And and he was like, you know, it made him tentative and not attacking Now he's comfortable throwing all of his pitches on in any count He believes in his fastball and honestly like believing is a huge part of pitching if you have confidence in your stuff It just plays better. So by him loving his fastball It's really upped his game and you're seeing more kays. You're seeing more dominance. He's always been good But this has made him really good. So again, sometimes analytics drives Like you can match analytics, but you have to match it with a pitcher's psyche and for montgomery It really affected him and made him tentative.  So I like that. I think six kays is You know, it's certainly a good number for him. He's random like, you know, sometimes he's not a high k Dude, but yeah, I mean I I can see that Yeah, it's a plus 118 right now to get over to get six plus strikeouts over a vandal sports book You might be able to get a better number elsewhere So I would shop around a montgomery see if you can get a four and a half still out there Something like that because I think that there is a lot of value in that he's facing the brewers another high strikeout team um, I think that does bode well for montgomery first night and He was talking about, you know, the the confidence thing He's always been a weird pitcher for me rob and I want to ask you about this because it seems like He's always been a guy where he's gotten more whiffs than he's gotten strikeouts and that's a weird Weird alignment there. You typically those things correlate pretty well. Why is that though? Why did he why was he kind of a guy who? Underformed in the strikeout department relative to what you think based on the number of swings and misses he got Great great pickup because that is exactly what he said He said what happens is he would get ahead and counts And then because everyone knew that he didn't think that his fastball wasn't the pitch he was relying on He'd try to flip in some some off speed and it was basically an auto take So if you have two strikes on somebody you're auto taking know the ball's going to be out of the zone And it led to fewer fewer whiffs fewer strikeouts So gets a lot of swings and misses gets to two strikes and then because it had mentality It was tougher for him to put hitters away and now he could throw any pitch with two strikes and get decay Well, he's been fun to watch so far He had a great out against the Brewers last time so let's see if Montgomery can get there again Six plus strikeouts plus 118 at the end of a sportsbook right now Check out rob's three leg parley with cola over six and a half Darvish over six and a half and right over five and a half again Plus six 34 right now over fando sports But we'll see if you can duplicate the success you had last week with the nola And lozardo calls that is rob freeman. Check him out on twitter at pitching ninja and find him Basically wherever you consume baseball, you can find rob rob. I appreciate it Have fun watching to grom coal darvish all throughout the entire night. We'll talk to you once again next week Absolutely. Thanks again, Jim Thank you rob again check out rob on twitter at pitching ninja and find all those fun Delightful gifts at pitching ninja on twitter and I'll find his work at fox sports peacock mlb and nessen We're diving nfl week number two in just one second here and break down What my number is saying about this we get our first look at that slate in just one segment first big news Fandall sportsbook or fandall has an all-new mobile gaming app fandall faceoff fandall faceoff is where you compete in quick Fun games against other real people for real cash It is all sorts of games you're familiar with like home run derby wheel of fortune puzzling strategy games and pat mac at These kicking game as well contests are action packed and last two to five minutes So you can play on your couch waiting a line during commercial break wherever and on your schedule plus You can practice for free anytime whether it be head to head multiplayer Or larger tournaments fandall faceoff has something for you plus in most contests You match against players of similar scale levels So you're never completely over matched even as a beginner fandall faceoff Is also tied your fandall account and wallet so you can easily use your daily fantasy funds or sportsbook winning In the app visit fandall dot com slash faceoff or download the fandall face Faceoff app in the apple app store today to get in the game age and location restricts supply void were prohibited see fandall dot com slash faceoff dash terms For terms and conditions Now what we'll be doing here each tuesday And this is kind of our first time doing it without the benefit of a lot of time for these numbers to move Is breaking down the opening numbers across the nfl and laying out Where are my numbers are seeing value and what i'll do is i'll lay out where it's where they see value and whether I agree with it and whether i'm willing to bet it or not because there those are some key distinctions I don't always agree with what my numbers are saying and unfortunately I guess we're fortunate depending on you know your view of things I'm seeing a lot of value in underdogs once again for this week. This one is unfortunate the spot where my numbers are showing the most value is the cardinals plus Five and a half against the radio runs out now. I did the exact same thing. I don't blame you We talked about this in the show last week where my numbers like the cardinals moved against me Did not go well very obviously, but Five and a half's a big number opened at two and a half and moved pretty steadily between Monday into tuesday I think it moved too far now for me Plus five and a half. I'm willing to take that so I have the cardinals Plus five and a half in the spot. I will lock that in now. I will say Personally, I have bet the money line as well. The money line for the cardinals Is plus we ate a fan dual sportsbook That's not necessarily when I recommend like there's difference between like betting it myself and recommending it I'm not sure if this is a do as I say not as I do situation I think you should go with the points versus the money line here But I think they're a volatile team and volatility is good if you're gonna get a lot of plus money on that money line And again, I'm showing a lot of value on that I'm not gonna lie. The cardinals are favorite of my model. I'll just I'll be fully transparent with you I think you deserve to know that but so I have taken the money line personally I think for the show I want to officially recommend five and a half at minus 110, but I think there's value in the money line. I'm not gonna recommend it So if they win, I'm not gonna take credit for it here on the podcast But I did take it myself So I would dig in the cardinals there to see if there's something you'd like Number two in terms of most undervalued for this week based on my numbers is last night's winner the seattle freaking Seahawks genus smith uh smith genus smith mvp on the way here in 2022 And I don't think it's no reaction to last week to face in the 49ers This spread is plus eight and a half in favor of the seahawks And I think that's enough for me to bite on them. It's not no reaction to last week I'm I'm assuming that george kittle will play in my current numbers and even with kittle being active I still show value on the seattle side of things because I think this defense is better than perception Obviously a lot of flukiness in that game last night. You don't expect two fumbles in the goal lines My decision-making they should have lost last night's game all things considered so And again week one is not a big component in my model. It's still mostly a prior that's driving this recommendation, but Pretty good defense. I think that ground game would be pretty efficient the offensive line I like a decent amount based on how the two rookies have played uh since start of the pre-season So I have taken this one seattle plus eight and a half at minus 110 I think there is value in that. Um, so Cardinals plus five and a half seattle plus eight and a half Those are the primary ones for me. There are two money lines to stand out again Both these are underdogs, uh, but both these are spots where I actually Think these teams should be favored. Those are carolina and washington carolina facing off with the Giants, uh, I have the panthers favorite of this one by 1.1 points that game is on the road up in new york, but I thought the panthers looked okay in week one. Obviously they did not win. They played pretty terribly The first half but seemed to gel a bit more in the second half Baker mayfield is letting a rip to robbie anderson. Obviously big plays are kind of fluky. So again similar to the Seahawks win I don't want to put a lot of weight into what we saw from the panthers in week one This still is still largely based on a prior, but the Giants offense We saw daniel jones still makes some of the same mistakes. He's made The panthers can at times generate a pass rush as well So plus 118 in the money line here. I think it's pretty good Again considering that I have the panthers favored within this game That spread if you want to go that way instead is currently a two and a half In favor of the the Giants here the Giants two and a half point favorites I think it's a lot of swing on the Giants based on sentiment of what they did in week one against a team that I didn't like coming into the air in the Titans. I had the Giants plus six and a half in this spot So was down the Titans And hairling wound up being high on the Giants. I feel like this has been an overreaction Opened it the Giants by one has moved to two and a half I don't think it should have moved. I think you should have stayed stayed pat at one So I'll take the panthers on the money line plus 118 here Against the Giants other one as mentioned is washington plus 115 against the lions I have historically been far too high on jared golf and far too low on karsten wenz Maybe not too low on wenz but not high on him to say the least so It was a bit of a surprise for me to open it up by my my sheet and see that I was showing value In this one here on the washington side of things similar to the panthers I have the the commanders favor in this game by 1.2 points over the lions that is considering home field advantage and stuff like that washington looked okay, uh, you know, they Seen pretty efficient in terms of passing getting the ball to johan dotson Kurt of sandal in addition to terry mcclore and this is a lot more Like we talked a lot about wenz versus taylor heinecky But this is a lot more skill position talent too on the washington side of things So I think it's a pretty big upgrade for them offensively to have these guys in place And I don't think we're accounting for that in this number lions fell down pretty big to the eagles Should their credit they did claw their way back But the fact they had to claw their way back should stick in our minds as well same thing with washington against jacksonville, but um I do think that washington is undervalued here. So the two money lines. I like right now washington plus 115 Carolina plus 118s those are the four bets I have right now Carolina plus 118 washington plus 115 Seattle plus eight and a half on the spread and arizona plus five and a half on the spread and again, I Bet their money line too because I hate money Why not other games and keeping an eye on right now in terms of where my numbers are showing value I'm looking at the the falcons plus 10 and a half against the rams Not quite confident enough in that to pull the trigger because it's a negative game script for marcus mariota I get seen that has extra rest has erin donald has jill and ramsey tough situation for atlanta if it were to move a bit more maybe i'd buy in obviously Not a lot of key numbers between 10 and 14. So Movement wouldn't really matter all that much. I am showing value right there Not enough me to believe in it and actually bet that one though Currently showing value in miami plus three and a half against baltimore I'm interested in that one My numbers are lower on the ravens than then most spots seem to seem to be They obviously played pretty well in week one, but it wasn't like some blowout by any means The reason i'm holding off on this one is I want to see the status of ronnie stanley Stanley did practice throughout last week, but did not play marcus peters didn't play either If they get those two guys back once I bake that in i'm guessing this one might not be showing as much value for me So holding off on the dolphins plus three and a half monitoring those two guys peters and stanley specifically to see What their status may be heading into week number two? Maybe i'll bite them that later if it seems like stanley might not go or if peters may not go currently not biting, um, but At least keeping an eye on it. My numbers show value in the titans. Uh, plus Uh, nine and a half against the bills. Nope. No interest. No consideration In there. I am not doing it. I don't I don't hate myself that much The bills looked awesome in week one the titans did not so i'm not taking that one I though it'd have to move a lot. I have to show a lot of value to be tempted there So no real interest there and the other one Where i am showing some value is the vikings against the eagles Right now, uh, that's at uh either one and a half or two depending on the book I did take this a two and a half yesterday I'd not run my like full model yet, but I thought I'd probably show value in the vikings and I do It's now two one and a half. I'm still showing value there not enough where i'm looking to bet it, but um Because again, I have the two and a half But I think if you're if you're high in the vikings, there is still a bit of value there So you could turn there as well So monitoring right now in terms of spreads the vikings Not monitoring the titans, uh, and the monitoring the dolphins and the falcons, but I've not, uh I would not bet those at their current numbers as of right now The one money line we did not get to you that I am Monitoring is the jags kind of think the jags are interesting Uh jackson will facing off in indianapolis their money line right now Is a plus 168 so they're implied win odds 37 percent not showing a ton of value there It's uh, I've got them at 39.5 to win this game So not a ton of value, but I also do believe in it. So It's one of those where the value is thinner, but I feel I feel good about the value that is showing the jags very pass heavy week number one Cold to defense didn't seem to be anything to write home about I think jack Leonard's probably gonna play this week based on the fact he did practice Throughout last week didn't play last week, but I think he'll probably be in there So Very interesting. I want to keep an eye on this one see the way it moves The jags did some things that caught my attention in a positive way in week one So monitoring that one as well And we'll see if I do wind up biting on that one not totally sure yet So the four bets locked in those this will probably be the podcast where I talk about the bets I like the most for the week I'll probably add in maybe one on on thursday's when I talk with ryan or talk to some player props with jj and friday, but For the most part the bets I I have for the show will be discussed on these tuesday shows So I would recommend tuning in for those each time to see where we're seeing some value But for right now, I think the biggest value would be In taking the panther's money line commander's money line and then the spread on the seahawks and The cardinals we'll see if that One goes it for this week So that's our week two first look But I also want to keep the accountability section of the podcast here in place So we are going to go back and recap last week's show as well and break down where or how bets went Just to give you like an idea of okay. Here's how Our things did so you know if you want to listen to us or not would recommend listening to dr. Ed fang We have him on here every wednesday That is not three and oh and college football for this year He had usc of minus nine and a half against stanford stanford did claw back in the fourth quarter, but Couldn't get the backdoor cover. This was a back there usc won by 13 So ed three and open the year night start by ed check out ed on twitter at the power Rank and check out his work at the power rank.com our guests in the college side of things was a drew martin You can find drew on twitter at drew martin bets Awesome movement for drew on both those bets just tough results But great movement here. He had miami minus 23 and a half against usm That one closed at 27 and a half so four points of movements But they won by 23 So a loss by the hook there unfortunately for drew but again four points of movement that counts for a lot So a good process bet for drew similar stuff for baler b yu total there was 53 and a half He liked the over a close to the 55 So one and a half points in his favor But both gunner romney and puke and knock wall were ruled out on saturday That probably hurt things a little bit here in terms of the total That game did go to ot but uh couldn't quite get the over there So good movement for drew bad luck in terms of the the guy has been ruled out for b yu um bad luck in terms of the way things finished in that miami game But good movement across the board just not the results long term clv is probably going to pay off for drew so check him out on twitter at drew martin bets ryan williams ryan alexander underscore w awesome start to him uh here on covering the spread as well He went three and oh on his spread bets on thursday That was the bucks minus two and a half the texans plus seven and a half and the stealers plus six and a half and He won all three got the outright win with the stealers got the tie with the texans the bucks They didn't even play great, but they just played better than dalas. So, uh Missed a couple totals so three and two week overall for ryan, but really nice showing on the spreads there ryan Says spreads are not his favorite thing Maybe they should be good week by ryan there. He also he did uh, I don't know if we talk about this in the show But he did take the bearer's money line It's like a personal bet and hit that so nice week for ryan who is a bearer's season ticket holder Good little week there from ryan. We'll have him back on on thursday to break down Some uh, nfl week two lines as well I was four and two on the week. Uh, my bets were the two or uh, the two early ones That was the texans plus eight and a half Giants plus six and a half. I mentioned on last week's show the first look that there was value in both money lines I would have pushed in the texans because of the tie, but one of the giants I did not take that myself. So again does not count for the record, but You know feel pretty good about that. I think that the the the model was high on them Felt good about that good process bets and they they won for me as well Other bets beside those two the the spread bets there where the patriots plus three and a half The browns money line at plus one 12 we discussed it and the cardinals money line at plus 158 wolf Wolf on the cardinals wolf on the patriots. They both lost big Never gave me hope which I appreciate because I didn't have to sweat that one on the browns a lot of sweat Uh, but good movement. They didn't close as favorites for that game. I think it minus 116 or so somewhere in there So good movement there good results had to sweat it quite a bit But did get the win there and then the one uh prop I discussed last night was no offense under 24 and a half receiving yards He finished at uh 16 yards, I believe so out of the one prop win there as so four and two week overall The cardinals won maddening the patriots sucked and that was frustrating But overall feel pretty good about the way that last week went Finally, we had JJ Zach racing on to talk props last week over on friday His week was similar to drew where bad luck in his corner, but I think good process bets JJ had davis mills over 217.5 at minus 115 I believe that one hit before overtime He was like right on the number early on that game then they just ran for the entire second half I believe he got there before overtime though So over 217 and a half that one cashed regardless JJ had antonio gibson over 58 and a half rushing yards He finished with exactly 58 brutal beat there uh for JJ But again, I think the the thought process was there uh for JJ on that one touchdown bets were mike davis and josh palmer anytime touchdowns at plus 150 Plus 340 respectively, then he had matt ryan over one and a half touchdowns at plus 102 The plus money bets did not hit davis mills did so close on gibson So um just bad luck uh for JJ and drew this past week but good starts for both ed and ryan I feel pretty good about how things started for myself as well despite beating my head against the wall of the cardinals We'll see if that happens again this week, but uh overall pretty good start to the week Uh to the to the year for the podcast here We'll keep these covering the past segments on tuesdays for accountability purposes So if you want to hear how we did and decide do I agree with them? Should I bet this check things out on tuesdays after the first look and we'll go through all of that That's all that we have here for today though our college football betting preview coming up tomorrow We'll have ed feng on once again to get his read on his favorite bets of the week And we'll talk about see if ed can move to four or no or five or no as well on that side of things We'll have our full nfl week preview coming up on thursday with ryan williams and our player prop preview Coming up on friday with jj zack recent to get all those make sure you are subscribed to covering the spread Wherever you get your podcast and if you're enjoying what you're hearing if you're winning some money out there Leave us a rating and review because that does help us out a bunch big Thank you to rob freedman at pitching ninja for joining us and talking about strikeout props. He likes for today Check out rob on twitter uh at pitching ninja. I am on twitter at jim sonnis j i m s a n n e s Thank you all for tuning in. Good luck to you with your mlb strikeout props for tuesday night We'll talk to you once again tomorrow to break down college football week number three This has been covering the spread right here on the fan duel podcast network