Okay, can we start the meeting please have the city councillors take a seat school board members well welcome good evening and I'd like to call to order the South Burlington City Council meeting of November 5th 2018 it's a special joint session the began at 6 we had a little reception and then we have a regular sec session starting right now and in a few minutes we will have a joint session with the school board so why don't we the first item of business is the Pledge of Allegiance all right our second item is instructions on exiting building in case of an emergency if we have an emergency tonight fortunately we have our two directors of public safety with us both their chiefs but in lieu of their direct intervention if we do have an emergency tonight and we need to leave the building immediately please go out these two side doors that exit to the outside and gather in the parking lot to the south if for some reason those doors are blocked please go back out into the lobby back out the main entrance and around the corner and we'll gather in the parking lot Tom Hubbard and I will be responsible for making sure the building is cleared so please everybody leave expeditions thank you before we get into any more of the agenda I just would like to ask us to have a moment of silence this past two weeks has been horrific with murders unfortunate shootings or car accidents we also unfortunately Tim Barrett is not here tonight his father passed away unexpectedly so he's in California seems like there's a lot of things to think about and people whose prayers and thoughts we could send might be helpful and then of course I think we probably probably should all pray for democracy tomorrow and hope that our election goes as smoothly as we anticipate so you just bow your head and think about those things for a moment I appreciate it thank you thank you so item 3 is the agenda review are there any additions deletions or changes in the order of agenda items seeing none we'll move on to comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda yes I know Eric has one so would you come forward please Eric Simmendinger my family owns and operates strand plant farms gas stations in Vermont I graduated from South Burlington High School in 2009 and then went to Clarkson University for mechanical engineering and graduated I would like to bring up a large concern of mine concerning G5 cell towers in Vermont I don't believe that these are safe at all and that they're a huge hazard to public health there are communities around the US that are trying to block the deployment including Mill Valley in California which is has recently passed an urgency ordinance to ban deployment in residential neighborhoods the FCC is not doing their job and protecting Americans from the health effects mostly due to financial businesses who have a deep investment in wireless technology I would like the city council to pursue an ordinance that would protect families and children and elderly in Vermont from G5 deployment in areas such as residential and their schools there was recently a G5 cell tower that was placed across the street from Edmond's Middle School and the radiation levels at that school are significantly high and cause for extreme concern the FCC believes that if there is not enough heat produced to destroy a covalent bond there can be no DNA damage but there are other types of bonds that can be damaged by non ionizing radiation such as Vanderwall bonds which are bonds that are used during the DNA creation and the human body produces about 3,000 miles of DNA per day so people can receive a significant amount of DNA damage without destroying any covalent bonds thank you and I believe you sent me Eric came last Monday when we were having a training for the the election and so we chatted with Councillor Chittenden and I and I he sent us a number of articles and I forwarded them to you and that was sort of the data behind Eric's comments thank you thank you very much Roseanne good evening my name is Roseanne Greco I'm a resident at South Burlington I came here tonight for Judy but but since I was here and I had a captive audience and especially I see some of our police officers back here today happens to be my my wedding anniversary and so this is a little present to my husband who is a school bus driver here in South Burlington so what I'm here to say is to ask the city council and also the residents of South Burlington to start paying attention to the laws we have around stopping when school buses have their arm out if you listen to the news this week you've heard that a number of little children were killed because cars were running through the lights the school bus had the arm down and and and so my husband who wrote a letter to the other paper a while ago about this says every single day every single day people run through um past the school bus when the arm is out that says stopped every single day he sees cars speeding I walk every day and every day I look at the past the the drivers and mostly their eyes are down they're not even looking up so I know we have a law against dry you know texting and using your phone while driving but people are ignoring that I don't want to see any little any children or anyone killed but if it's happening every day and I know we don't have an unlimited police force but I'm really urging the council maybe ask the the police department to sort of crack down on that and before someone actually gets hurt like is what happened across you know the United States this past week so that's my gift to my husband tonight for anniversary that I'm speaking on his behalf so as he is a school bus driver proud and he loves his job we'll never have to experience something like that nor will our children can I just ask you a question um are there any particular roads on Higley's route that are worse than others well Higley happens to be a permanent sub which means he goes to all the routes but what I have seen and what he tells me is you know I live very close to Nolan farm road which is a 25 mile hour speed limit there I can tell you if you go 25 miles an hour people will be on your bumper as happened last just a few minutes ago when I was coming in that's a very wide area they constantly speed on that road now Higley stops the bus and any other school bus driver they're stopping right on Nolan farm road and kids are crossing there's no crosswalks on that but Higley says he sees him everywhere so it's not just one location I know for a fact on Nolan farm road and I don't want to my neighbors who live on Nolan farm road don't kill me if the cops come out and ticket you're speeding but but that's that's an area where car speed I've seen I've seen people go up on curbs because they're coming around the corners so quickly they can't control like I've seen them up on the go in the grass and then they're surprised because of the speed but also there are children on that road and there are school buses that stop on that road as our school buses stopping on many of our roads except our roads have far more cars on them now people are way more aggressive now than they were even when I moved up here 10 years ago and they're so distracted you put all those three things together and I was I was just telling David earlier when I got my drivers you know took my test and all that stuff eons ago that was one of the sacred ones you you never disobeyed when a school bus stopped or when we had an ambulance or a fire truck you stopped and you I was actually shocked to hear the people just disregard that and just go through that school bus arm it's just so dangerous and so I just want to make you all aware of it and maybe we can do something you got two for one here with the school boy I know and the superintendent and the police and I know I'm really captive audience yeah yeah I mean if we're going to ticket people ticket them for that I mean I you know I they deserve it and the bus driver actually honks and it just catches people's attention but also the crossing guard has had a couple near misses so maybe I've been in well it certainly is something to yes so thanks rosanne for bringing that up it's not something that we like to hear about but part of the reason why most of our students don't opposite side cross is because of that and it's not about the sign it's about the red lights and the sign and we even when we're doing same side so for right side we're dropping off generally trying to do the right side that changes our route drop off but we don't want to have students generally crossing because of that but the kids are kids do they I mean I mean they're they got their their neighbors across the street you know so you know so again we we have worked with the police and we'll continue to do that we've had actually police um self-reliant police officers behind us on almost every year and on many routes and they still will go through and obviously they get a ticket a lot of this is about people not paying attention and being in some other place in their train of thought and not paying attention right so we I think it's a good always a good message for us all to remind people to slow down and never ever go through a a red light no matter where it is sometimes even in our parking lots when they're stopped and red lights are on and loading same thing I'll be even more dangerous visit your rules yeah pay attention well I like the idea of honking yeah I mean maybe there's some other protocols people probably won't like that but it has been and it's not just well it's another week me up maybe I asked him that there were cameras in the bus like like the one we saw if you saw the news footage with that little boy was almost hit because there was a camera on the bus but I guess we don't have cameras on our bus thank you thank you are there any other comments from the public not related to the agenda okay thank you um our next item our announcements and the city managers report David you want to start you gotta look at my you've had a big week because you had a son married oh I thought you were talking about David Councillor Kaufman I can try but I don't know I'll be very good excuse for a good road trip so that was the bulk of my week really I mean that that ate up a week so there it goes okay good enough Megan anything visited my son too but he's not yet married okay well I was busy I I can't remember how many different public meetings on the city center that I was one of the presenters but there were several so that took some time and it was great not a whole lot of people attended them but I think Patrick Leduc and Jennifer Cokman helped with the presentation so I think we answered a lot of questions and it worked out well the other thing I did with Kevin and Paul Connor we were the three of us were invited to meet with the energy committee and they and again I forwarded that information to the council about the becoming a net zero city and some examples of what Montpelier has done in terms of energy efficiency and really adhering to some of the agreements that the council voted for and so we discussed options and we'll continue to work on that but that was a you know I think a really excellent meeting and very helpful I also got training on for the election tomorrow there are new screens that are really quite cool they're designed for people who have some disabilities such as auditory or can't fill in the circle very well and they you can plug in tomorrow and you can sit by yourself and you can either put the headphones on and listen and have every option read to you and then you hit the screen with your finger and tell who you're voting for it reminds you like for the senatorial state senate race you can't vote for more than six so if you hit seven it tells you voted one too many or if you only vote for five it tells you you want you can vote for one more and and then at the end you check it and you press a button and it prints it out on the ballot and then you go over and insert the ballot in the machine so it's a very interesting and I think I don't know how many people will use it but you can do write-ins I mean it's the whole whole process that I think is another example of this community and the state trying to make voting fair and safe and legal and and have that really important paper trail yes you have a question are the voting machines connected to the internet no they are not okay I know there's been yes there has I think Vermont is really ahead of the curve in terms of really making sure that we have elections that are really safe and effective and camp okay um but be happy to hear that paving is scheduled to start tomorrow on market street so the section that has been under construction is nearing the base and the utility is all nearing completion depending on whether tomorrow is supposed to rain a lot I think but paving may start tomorrow and be completed by the 20th so we anticipate that market street will be open again to public travel on the 20th of November which would be great now this isn't just paving to get something down for the winter and then dig it up in the spring this is the first coat this is the first layer of pavement that's going down next spring it will be built upon but that section of the road at least as reasonably of the base is completed the contractors will continue to work into January probably on the sides of the road you know we have bike and pedestrian facilities on both sides but that will not be in the road so the road will be passable and again we're hoping for the 20th it is possible that it would happen as early as the 16th Donna was here Donna tells me that there were 2,931 early voters the largest for a non-presidential election year ever and even exceeding the some of the election year so it places third all time so 2,931 early voters Wednesday the school district is hoping is hosting a visioning session at Trader Dukes for your visioning committee I'll be there for most of that Helen already talked about the energy committee meeting the planning commission has issued some recommendations to the council as it relates to the to the studies for the interim zoning by-law and I will be sending that to you first thing in the morning and then of course in preparation for the public hearing on 1113 November 13th which will begin at 630 here the the Burlington airport master plan session will be on 11 13 at 5 p.m. so for those of you may have participated in the first one the next one I is 1113 at 5 p.m. also we learned this week that the airport noise exposure map project has now been delayed they hope to deliver information in the first map to the public December 5th and that now is being pushed back at least into January if not early September I just found that out also for the council the on your agenda for next week or the next meeting in two weeks and I'll talk with Helen about this we need to have per newly passed statute more about this we're required to update the cities conflict of interest in ethics policy and so we'll bring that to you for for your first review at the next meeting and then it has to be adopted prior to July but we thought you want to take a look at this that's on the website as well is it not it currently is the current one needs to be updated required by the recently passed extension so that's all I got okay item six we have a minute consent consent agenda for the consider and sign the disbursements any discussion okay all in favor signify by saying I I all right so right on time whoa we're going to call to order a joint session with this the self-growing to school board Monday November 5th and the first item is a council consideration and possible approval of a joint city council and support resolution honoring Judy Karen's former owner and publisher of the other paper so it has her brand new twin grandsons to have their first taste of from public recognition so both Elizabeth and I are going to take turns reading the resolution because it's from both the school board and the city council really to honor Judy for the incredible work she's done we all believe in letting this community understand and know in a very fair and balanced way all the things that have gone on or what we've discussed what we vote on certainly we have had lots of issues for both the school board and the council that have elicited strong differences of opinion I guess in the public but I think we've always looked to the other paper and her editorial leadership as making sure that the the real news the real facts were out there in a really even-handed way so that the public knows and could make decisions so we really do thank you for that so this is the joint resolution recognizing and honoring Judy Kerns whereas the members of the South Burlington City Council and school board are celebrating the service to the residents of South Burlington by Judy Kerns and whereas the community has benefited from Judy's service to the community through her work at the South Burlington publication the other paper and whereas Judy began working in advertising sales for the former owner of the publication in 2000 and remains steadfastly committed to the growth of the paper with its move to its current location on Williston Road in 2004 and whereas Judy became the third owner when she purchased the publication in 2008 and wholeheartedly committed her time and efforts to the growing community of South Burlington and whereas Judy was recognized in 2011 for her service to the community as the recipient recipient of the Frederick H. Tuttle Memorial Award and whereas under her leadership the other paper has won awards from the Vermont Press Association and the New England Newspaper and Press Association and whereas Judy has had an abiding commitment to share the news responsibly and without sensationalism and whereas she has made reporting out the city council school board and development review board and planning commission meetings a priority by budgeting for coverage and or attending herself and whereas Judy's warm voice and her caring for each person in South Burlington is shown through in the content of the paper and through her relationships with community members. Examples of this include her commitment to photo tributes of veterans and her focus on sharing the stories and photos of individual community members and her palpable anticipation each June to recognize a graduating high school senior who would be a first generation college student with a scholarship for a new computer and software to begin his or her new journey and whereas Judy has transitioned to the director of advertising with the new owner of the other paper yet continues to work out of the Williston Road office. Now therefore let it be resolved that on behalf of the city of South Burlington the city council and the school board do hereby recognize and extend their deepest appreciation for Judy Kerns' service and incredible dedication to the residents of the city week after week month after month after year. Let it further be resolved that we recognize her contributions that have had a lasting impact on the lives of the citizens of this community and let it be further resolved that a signed copy of this resolution shall be presented to Judy Kerns and that this resolution will be inserted in its entirety in the minutes of the South Burlington City Council and school board meetings dated November 5th 2018. So, Judy, please come forward. I wrote them down. I was afraid that I wouldn't you know I can't tell you how much this means to me I'm so humbled by this it's so unexpected and to be acknowledged for work that I found immensely gratifying on its own is just it's beyond expectations it's really overwhelming so thank you all I really appreciate it. I first discovered South Burlington with my children Emily and Kevin nearly 30 years ago and through the eyes of a young mother I discovered the magic that South Burlington offered through its schools and I fell in love with the community that warmly embraced us and offered so many opportunities throughout the city to be involved and to belong and to experience true community. I feel so lucky to call it home and to have had the work the opportunity to do work that I care so deeply about. When I took the helm of the paper from its previous owner George Chamberlain I had a simple mission connect the dots that truly has been my mission for these 10 years. Over the last decade it's been a true privilege to record the history of the city and its people and to shine a light on what connects us as a community. We've had our share of controversy and heartache but that's been balanced by a good deal of accomplishment success and joy as well. In the process of gathering the news and telling the city's stories I've had the opportunity to interact with so many people in the school and all of you. The school board members over a period of time have changed school district superintendents administrators staff teachers city managers deputy city managers the chief chief of police the fire chief firefighters and the policemen the department heads and city staff city counselors and countless members of volunteer committees all of the people that keep the city's engine chugging along and under this understand the importance of an informed and engaged community and I'm grateful for all of their help every step of the way all of you have been so willing to help with endless requests Tom I always had budget questions for information no matter what I needed or when I needed it especially on deadline and what I learned along the way is that one of the biggest successes of this community is the dedication of so many people who all work hard toward a shared common goal for South Burlington and I'm so honored to have had the experience of working with you all and I know that the new editor at the other paper will continue this same dedication to community journalism reporting on the endeavors of the city and the school district and local businesses and why it matters has been the foundation of my work but what I loved most was bringing neighbors into each other's lives every week with individual stories of struggle and success and the kind acts and the good deeds of countless residents who have made our little corner of the world a better place connecting the dots for community that's been so important to me and of course while I'm the one sitting here at the table the work of bringing the news to the community could never have been accomplished without the dedication of a small but mighty other paper family here I want to share the accolades with every one of them they care so deeply about this community they share a passion for their work and their community to their commitment to the members of the community to put out a hometown newspaper that unites and informs us every week like you said they've been amazing colleagues and they're true friends and I count myself so lucky to call all of you friends as well over the years so many many thanks to you for acknowledging me it means the world to me this is such a unique place to live and I'm honored to have been a part of it thank you so much this really official each of the um select board well the city council and the school board needs to vote on this resolution so i would entertain um a motion for the city council to approve the resolution i will take a motion to approve the resolution so moved second all in favor all right so our third item in the joint session is a joint public information session to review and discuss item to present it to the voters on Tuesday March 6th ballot and as i mentioned earlier we've been um doing public meetings um discussing the ballot items and the community center and answering questions those typically have taken about an hour and a half and so we're not planning to do a full vote presentation tonight unless there are lots of questions people have i think we'll do a skinny down version and then welcome any questions that the public might have here we go pretty skinny so far it's as well well i guess i can punt a little bit so um tomorrow there are actually four ballot items that relate to the proposed community center which is comprised of a library a senior center and city hall and on the screen is a picture of this beautiful meeting i would like to point out that this has been developed over quite a few years of discussion i mean it goes back all the way for 30 years or 40 years about wanting a city center and a new library but the last three years has been a rather intensive effort to bring the community together to talk about their needs their desires a number of different articulations of what a new library could look like and what would be included in it we're presented a lot of feedback from the public we talked about the cost and scaled down some of our hopes and wishes and what you'll be voting on tomorrow is our our best guess i guess our version of what we think is really an important critical piece to making the city center a vital place drawing in people so that it truly does become the center of our city where people want to go and meet and enjoy the auditorium or the library after dropping off their kids at school pay their taxes come to dedicate their time volunteer time to a lot of different commissions and committees for the city to a really beautiful building the first and second floor are the library the senior centers on the first floor as well city offices are on the top floor really critical to being able to utilize the option on the land here and build this building because it really is built out to the edges of the property was a really important agreement with the school board that allows us this is a picture of the project site that allows us to have a land swap to enable us to include really critical and required parking some of the parking needs for the library and the city offices as well as putting in the sewer and water and utility lines and wastewater issues for the building on this piece of property from from marquette marcott central school and then it also allows the the school department to have the option to if the bond passes to potentially lease this building a current building we're sitting in as new school offices administrative offices and then over time if they wish to actually purchase the building for a really nominal fee give them some opportunity for utilizing instructional space in the middle school in the high school for instructional space and centralize all their administration here next to the property actually is allard square which i think some of you have seen the beehive going up the wall and that's a senior housing project that this community supported with money in conjunction with cathedral square and the state and the federal government to build that and then this picture shows the orange is the library spot i don't know if do you want to talk a little bit about the library patrick just the highlights of hope yeah patrick do the whole library first floor and second floor and then we'll do the sure patrick ledoux uh chair of the south barilton library board uh so what you're seeing here is the first floor of the building it's the largest square footage of the floors of building gets a little bit smaller as you go up and Helen will probably talk about that a little bit if you look at the bottom where that vestibule is at the gray that'll be the primary entrance you'll walk in you'll see kind of the opening hallway there very bright and you'll notice in some of the pictures you'll see in a second it's very airy there you'll be welcomed by the city clerk's office right there very welcoming spot and that's where the city clerk's office is in the blue and if you were turned to the right instead of going toward the blue you'd open you'd walk right into the first floor of the library and as you walk in and you'll be kind of you'll see the service desk right there we'd be greeted by the library staff you turn a little bit to the right there's that curved staircase go to the second floor if you continue to go to the right there's like a what we're calling a living room space there so it'll be nice comfortable couches and chairs there's a fireplace in there great place for our community members to come together and talk get to know each other catch up on the daily events as you go around the staircase head to the other side there's an early learning literacy room for toddlers and infants that's one of the few kind of a cordoned off area so that parents can feel comfortable that they can let their children kind of crawl around and get to know the place as you come out of that space there's another children's space outside lots of stacks this is really the children's library space on the first floor lots of movable equipment so the librarian can kind of set up new spaces lots of programming as you move back toward the back of that area there's an activity room and you'll see rooms like the activity room on all the floors again very flexible spaces with storage tables and chairs and other facilities in them so that we can set them up for one program tomorrow do something different in that space as you move more toward the left you'll see library office staff there so you that's where our staff will sit and have is their back offices and that's some storage in the back and way over toward kevin there on the top is the auditorium that's a hundred seat auditorium that we're planning on we're still doing we're doing some design work on that toward the last hours here and i don't think that's quite nailed down might be a raised stage might not be depending on how much room we need for the ramp to move up to that we're hoping for retractable seating so that can have multi uses in that in that space so this is really great as you walk in the back of that the there's entries in the back as well so there's the parking you see where the parking is going to be you'll see that you can park at the back walk in through the back you can be in the front when you come up on a bike or you walk up or you park on the street there'll be lots of places to park and entrance into the building kevin's now showing you the front entrance the architect's rendering what that will look like you can see go back just one for a second there kevin uh as you go down that hall you'll see artwork so i think we're envisioning that we'll have local artists there as well uh and you go toward the right where the gentleman the hat is where kevin was a second ago you'll go into that living room space and you'll see the fireplace and the stairs going up again as you look toward the stairs you'll see it's very open and very airy there lots of windows in the building and you'll continue to go up and here's some of that or i'm still on the first floor this is the children's space where that representation of a tree kind of in the middle kind of a nice little artifact there lots of comfortable seating there's little reading nooks in the back where you can move around on the right hand side you'll see those kind of curves things that i don't know what we're calling those but those can be moved around so we can create a little space for toddlers or for young people to kind of call their own for a little while and then rearrange the space for something else and here's the rendering of the auditorium and you'll notice there can't really see it great but there's a raised ceiling here so there'll be a lots of space there and we'll show you what that looks like on the second floor in a second we're going to skip this one for a second and then go to the second floor so the second floor is entirely library so as you you can see that staircase in the middle again and there is a lot there is an elevator just to the north of that and there's another elevator that Helen will talk about on the other side of the building that goes up all three floors this one only goes to the first and second floors again in the front and the bottom of this picture kind of above where the opening was there's a terrace so you can kind of come out and sit on the terrace and read your book and catch up with some friends lots of stacks here you'll see various rooms throughout that whole space that we can use for multiple purposes large meeting room where Kevin was just pointing to where the public can reserve that space for meetings the library board could have their meetings there anybody that reserves it can use it there's a digital lab up above that some teen spaces and some young people spaces we didn't really highlight it on the first floor when I went through that so quickly but really as you kind of look at the whole space we have a children's space on the first floor that infant room in the back there was a tweens room and now you'll see there's a teens room up here so we kind of have this progression of when our youth are kind of ready to move and call their new space their own space again so really kind of a great environment for all of our community lots of seating look you look toward the right lots of little seating lots of study rooms and meeting rooms so that people can come up and work together on their on their projects in the back there's another multi-purpose room and restrooms in the back lots of flexibility due to lots of different programming for our community and then so we'll show a few more of the pictures Kevin he is in case you can we talked about that terrace that's right outside that staircase this is the view of that so again the staircase is kind of open so that light moves through the whole place you can sit outside here's that digital lab we have lots of technology in here so that uh our youth can work on that and our adults can work on that as well our seniors can potentially do projects in there again a glass wall so that we can see what's going on I mentioned the auditorium had a kind of a higher ceiling in the auditorium so this is the what the architects have designed for above that so this is a raised reading room you can see like the staircase there with the look of books lots of comfortable seating the gentleman up there on by that wall it's a big white wall so that you can work out problems with dry erase markers and solve problems kind of a cool little place it's a little bit different than the rest of the library so and this is the third force we'll go back to the senior center so before I give it over to Jennifer to talk with the senior center one of the things that I am really enjoying about this design and this collaboration between the city and our senior centers in our library is that we bring all of our key parts of our community together so new new people coming into our community have a place to go libraries are really that always public access information for all of our youth or all of our community I should say we have our seniors and our youth in the same space by design lots of intergenerational opportunities here for them to work together to learn from each other we have our center for our government in the same space I can envision and I've said this to Helen without committing her in a couple places that you know what if the city council periodically had their meetings during the day and the school could have students come over and and participate in city council meetings or have mock city council meetings they can interact with our with our city government in kevin and tom and see how things operate our seniors potentially can be more engaged with our youth and more engaged with our local government so there's lots of great opportunities here that really don't exist unless we move this forward so that being said we turn it over to jennifer for the senior center thank you and if anyone has questions afterwards we'll all be available hi i'm jennifer kogman i'm chair of recreation and parks committee and i'm happy to advocate for the whole concept of this building i uh i want to reemphasize what patrick said about the the the flexibility and multi-generational and interconnectivity of all of the the different ways that this people can come together in this facility so um the senior center is going to be programmed by recreation and parks and um if you go to the next slide uh okay the senior center is comprised of a large meeting room space seating for about 90 people for meals when the tables are set up right now we can hold uh senior lunches in this room once a week and we'll be able to offer that a lot more frequently in this space the tables can be removed so that we could have light kinds of exercise classes or dance classes or various kinds of things there will be a nice sound system in that room in uh off to the left at the top is a senior living room and that holds about 12 to 15 people that will have a flat screen tv so that um i know that for me getting good programming is pretty darn expensive and not all of us unfixed incomes have the kind of money to buy those so we'll be able to program around having some good television good movies with discussion and so on that will also be a more intimate kind of meeting room for people the other part um down below where yes is a catering kitchen and that will allow us to do more elaborate kinds of meal preparation the whole senior center space which is enclosed could be rented out to the public for events for various kinds of parties anniversary parties uh you know birthday parties whatever it is that you like my friends tell me and i'm a senior that they want more of this they tend to go either to burlington or to charlotte for their senior programming they don't like to drive in the evening they don't like to drive in the winter and so they are very much looking forward to having this program space which will be four seniors from 8 30 the morning until four o'clock in the afternoon and i think that um for those of us who are retired and our families are grown and we have we're feeling pretty good most of the time and we want to be able to explore the kinds of things that we haven't been able to do when we were raising our families and you know full tilt into careers and so whatever people bring to this in the way of their imagination of what they want to explore we can try to make the programming happy for people the next slide uh shows i'm not sure where this this uh schedule is from but it shows how packed um a calendar can be with programming just for a senior center and um and recreation parks is very excited about this in the evenings and on weekends we can offer programming to other groups of people adults and and children so it's it's it's and it's good to have the programming space in the with the library and and city hall i think this is a really good good arrangement here thank you thank you and as i mentioned um earlier the fourth the fourth the third floor is the smallest floor um by designed to give some interests and provide some terraces and also some potential green roofs um the each floor is a little a different shape and it gets smaller and smaller so the top floor is for the city um the city offices there's an elevator right there that is mentioned this is the only one that goes up to the third floor so when if and when there are um evening meetings it's a separate um elevator and the library can be closed and people aren't wandering around in there um it has a large meeting room the rest of the office is an open floor plan which the my understanding is the staff is very excited about there are little um kind of centers or groupings of employees but you can stand up and see and look around and see other um other employees and that tends to provide the opportunity for a greater amount of collaboration while at the same time you can sit down and still be with your own um kind your own topic um we are in the back where it says uh planning and zoning um the design there we're pretty very excited about that it will bring together planning and zoning into one area right now it's in two parts of this building so it doesn't isn't quite as effective or efficient and this will for the public as well as for the um employees they'll be working together in a similar space there's in the gray in the back there's shared library and city center staff rooms um bathrooms there's a skylight in the middle that opens down into the second floor to allow some additional light um and there's some other smaller meeting rooms so if if um i don't know you want to have a smaller meeting the public could use those as well as the larger meeting room and and certainly the staff the white square at the top is another terrace and that will allow for people using the meeting room the option to utilize the terrace in good weather or just allow people on the third floor to go outside and realize that the sun is shining and the breeze is is nice or it's snowing and you like snow and you can make the snowball so i think that's the highlights of of that it's planned to be um to allow both the library as well as the city officers are designed for a modest amount of future growth so we're not going to be packed in there even though you see all those desks not every desk in the picture has a person behind it at this point at some point it might but it allows for the growth that we see as a community both in terms of enough space for additional books and library staff and utilization another piece that was very exciting to the council i think is that it's um a very energy efficient and green designed building it's between a gold and a platinum rating for so it's not net zero but it is as close as we can get at the top is a solar roof it will generate solar energy we will get a credit from the electric department or i guess green mountain power and that will help pay for the some of the energy that is utilized by the building it also provides i think an attractive architectural feature and some shading for the top forms will be used throughout the building it's very airtight and insulated there's sunshade fins throughout the building led lighting will be installed and a lot of windows with natural light as well there's cool carpet on the floor that's tile carpet so if you spill something on one of the squares you just rip up one square and then replace it with another one so you don't have to wait till it gets really yucky looking and replace the whole thing as i mentioned before that there are some green roof some roofs that are green roof ready we didn't have the money at this point to install green roofs they tend to help with energy efficiency keeping the floor below warmer in the winter and cooler in the summer but they are green roof ready so if the time comes and we want to do that we can it will be served by transit there'll be bicycle parking and there's geothermal and heating and cooling and another nice feature in the front of the building thanks to david kaufman being so certain it was so effective the sidewalk in front will be heated so that it won't require shoveling or using salt so we're not tracking all that junk into the building the project site on the actual building is that yellow and then the blue lines show the approximate outline of the property once the agreement with the school for the land easement is adopted by the public and this shows how we will use that land agreement land with the school district the yellow piece is that whole swath is really the piece that we are swapping with the school board and then there's another little piece off to the is that the east way over is that east yeah that will allow garden street when it's built to have an appropriate turn onto mitis but that yellow part will be where underneath will be utilities and the sewer and water treatment for the parking lots and then the blue is a new access street to the school so as a result of this land swap the school will have a permanent street leading to into it right now it goes cuts sort of it through the middle of the proposed building and this will be a forever street they'll own it it'll have parking on both sides sidewalks and bike paths providing a really improved safety access to the mark mark hot central school parking area in conjunction or working with the school department and the school board transportation experts with school busing are working with them to design the new parking lot we'll be replacing the the slots taken away with this land swap as well as a safer and better access route for the buses to go into the school and exit as well as then providing a what we hope or they hope will be a safer drop-off and and pick up route for the public the project fint financing is based really on three things our cash on hand the debt that we will accrue as well as some other other source of tiff tiff money so looking at the high shape the entire cost of the project is 21.8 million dollars the bond that we're asking for tomorrow is 20.4 million so the difference of 1.4 million is the money from impact fees the blend shut fee and the solar array net metering credits so the two largest portion portions are the reserve fund bond proceeds 71 percent we have been past five or six years as a council we have set aside a chunk of money every year in our budget within the current tax structure right now or tax rate to put into this reserve fund knowing that at some point we hoped we would be building a library a community center a senior center new city offices and kind of like a college fund we knew what's going to happen in the future so we started putting money away last year it was seven hundred and sixty thousand dollars the year before and the year before that i think was about eight hundred and sixty in the very first few was $1,000 very but that's our reserve fund and we anticipate continuing to put or identify seven hundred and thirty six or seven thousand dollars every year into offset or pay for this structure and then the other 23 percent comes from the TIF district financing i think this is a pretty nice picture of what TIF district financing really means and in 2012 when we applied the first little green building there when we applied for the TIF status that was the year was granted and at that point they that was the baseline for the property tax value or the property value of city center i mean to me of the TIF district then as how the TIF works is when you build a new library or put in a new road i guess or you the private sector sector build something the property value increases because you put something on it in this case it was an empty empty land in other towns i think probably martin can better describe why the legislature created the TIF but i think it was really designed to help towns that had dead centers and this was a way to revitalize downtown in communities all over vermont we are looking to create a city center so we started with sort of a cleanish slate the land had value but there was not much on it so the future property value is really these tax the tax increment and that's the blue sort of second story on on the building and those those dollars are split between improvements and city and state funds so 75 percent of those new taxes taxes on the additional value on the city of south berlington is able to retain and use to help pay for this public infrastructure 25 continues to go to the city general fund and the state educational fund it's for a time limit the whole TIF is a 20-year program but that is how the tax incremental financing program helps to incentivize and support communities to be able to afford some of the public structures in a downtown i've been through all of this we are anticipating therefore the the five million dollars in the second column is what we estimate to be the TIF dollars generated to support this and that will they will be collected or will be able to keep that differential for 17 years the 15.4 million dollars is the reserve fund and as I said that's coming from the current tax and budgeting of the city and we'll continue that in this case it'll be $737,000 annual tax contribution if you will to pay for this and over 20 30 years it adds up to 15 million $400,000 so the combination plus the the other the impact fees the Blanchett fees will support the the project which is why we can say that there are no new taxes needed to support this project that is not to say we aren't already using taxes to support it but that we have been collecting them over the last six years so it doesn't require a tax increase to fund this the TIF dollars the five million dollars we believe is a pretty conservative number and it's based on what we know to be developed within the orange right yep and that that's land that is 29 million oh yeah i'm sorry but the five million for this project is coming from what we envision as the development within the TIF the total amount that we anticipate generating through the the TIF development public and private is 29 million no just this whole this just this area San Remo Drive is part of the TIF as well so if there's anything developed there or improved upon that's money that could be used for something else if you look at the top orange is Allard Square that they are moving into i think the grand opening is in two weeks the blue is this community center project then downwards yellow off garden street if you walk through there you can't drive through but if you walk through there's a big hole they're building a 60 unit affordable housing rental unit that the Champlain Housing Trust Fund is going to own and operate and that's there the other yellow or orange yellow square is are the buildings that are already built the two-story apartments these are the new ones oh those are the new ones okay under construction today and then there's already 12 that are built there and the other orangey stuff is it's in develop it's potentially has state permits it is controlled by um Snyder Braverman and they are certainly anxious to build private sector housing or whatever it is they're going to build we don't know so that's kind of the the TIF subdivision and development as we see it do you have any comments on the land swap or the no i no i think Helen you've done a good job of of you know sharing uh the connection to the school properties on rick marcott and also 575 obviously with the success of all of the valid items if that's happens then the conveyance of the land happens and then in exchange 575 becomes this available space for the school district so um i think what's important for people to know is that all articles need to have yeses on them yes we have two of those articles one of which is what you conveyed in the conveyance of land there's actually three conveyance pieces there's this 0.7 and 2.1 2.1 small little areas that are being conveyed if that happens and then there's the article two is the actual lease to enter into a three-year lease agreement with the option for two additional three-year periods and then as you said earlier the option to purchase great yeah i think one of the most important aspects of the the project from a school perspective aside from what you mentioned Helen around permanent access around some of the cost avoidance associated with storm water improvements and so forth are are really the flexibility that accessing this property in the context of master planning and visioning could have for the school district over a period of time we're we're going to have a session on Wednesday and we continue to move that process forward and this does provide flexibility to the district okay and i would say you know in addition to what you said about the parking lot and there's there's some added improvements for us obviously with parking and bus traffic in and out of our lot as you said we currently don't own our entry so there's some improvements options there i think also for a school district knowing who their neighbor will be being the city folks is also an important component to so i feel like that's something that needs to be shared right so yeah this the first article for the city is do we want to build the the community center for and and assume 20.4 million dollars in debt article two is should that should we acquire the approval i mean actually build the building and move into the building then this building city center would be available to the school district and then article yeah and then there's two articles as david mentioned from the school side that talked about the land swap and then the agreement to elicit and potential conveyance and then of course we also have i got to put a pitch in we have we the city has a third ballot item that is a stormwater pond and that's a 300 thousand dollar item 100 of which will be funded by state and federal dollars for clean water but we need to put that out as a bond for this community so that will not be impacting anyone tax anyone's taxes either so are there any questions or thoughts or comments from the public i can use the vote positively all of that yes thank you all right so we have a motion to adjourn in a second so all in favor all right thank you very much forward to continuing to work with you why don't we just take a very quick break so we can rearrange the tables we continue with our meeting are you okay all right well let's not break then let's just continue you They're all like, you make a six-way walk, five-way walk, so each one is like, a six-way walk. It's a good walk, actually. It's a proper table. It's a good one. So we're going to do this in one place. He does. He does. He does. He's doing that. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. He does. It's a good week out. He does. He does. He does. What I'm confident about is, if he serves – I don't know what he's doing, he serves. When I heard this, I don't know if he's running or being like a six-sın, which is better. Don't get up there to know that he serves that morning but he's still showing him some of his moves. I don't know what his moves do. I don't know if he's just showing us his moves. I'm not really honest here. And then they go back. See what I said? People need time. I don't think they can be productive. We need to be able to do that. So when you say that, it's actually the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. I feel strong, and it's the best way to do it. So, it's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. It's the best way to do it. I want to say that, I notice they have multiple ways to do it. So they really have a process that's kind of different. They've been levels back, we've been levels strong, down strong. But, when you're happy with that, it's just that it's just that, I'm happy that there's nothing more wrong Yeah, that's right. I know. I didn't know. I think you should do it. I think you should do it. I don't think I'm going to be a good general manager. I just wanted to say, I'm going to call again. I've got a call again. Yeah, I'm going to call again. Thank you very much. We're at the top of the tower by our water tower over here on person's right. Um, so it's like, uh, right here on the top of the tower. Okay, thank you so much for the time. Yeah. Thank you. Uh, you. There is somebody here. Unless you want to comment on. All right. Six inches wide. Yeah. You're very welcome. Yeah. I'd like to call the meeting back to order. I'd like to call back into session the South Burlington City Council meeting of November 5th and we'll continue with item 7 appointment to the South Burlington Library Board of Trustees and as you know we don't normally do things out of session but given the what I hope will be a positive vote tomorrow and we will be launching work on a new library and some significant fundraising and a lot of work to get that really to happen there's an opening on the library board and we I was approached to request that we take it up kind of out of or in a time frame that we don't normally do so we have before us an application from Diane Bugbee would you like to come up to the table Diane we're not mean and Diane is interested in filling that slot I think we all know her from a variety of experiences with her as a school board member as well as just being a very active resident in this city and really a concerned resident and coming before us on a variety of issues in a really thoughtful wonderful way would you like to send us a great letter that pretty much outlined why you'd like to do this maybe you can just reiterate that briefly again and if anyone has questions or so service and getting back to my community is something I really value and it's just kind of part of who I am and most of my volunteer work really has been with the school district and following my kids first in their classrooms to being on the school board to different district initiatives and we're semi-empty nesters now and I was really looking at you know how else I could be involved in our community and the I noticed that there was an opening on the library board and I wondered you know what does a trustee do what is their role and so what I read was that the role is to help the community librarian fulfill the mission of the library which is the South Burlington library strengthens our community through abundant opportunities to learn share and succeed and there are certain values that when I read the values I really believed that I could get behind and thought I could support this so inclusivity respect helpfulness credibility fulfillment democracy and privacy those are the values that the board of trustees adopted and and I feel like those are values that I hold and that I could support our community librarian and the rest of the trustees and our in our community I think that just as a family we've enjoyed many services in South Burlington since we you know we moved here in 1990 our first son was born in 1992 we raised three boys here and one of the most welcoming things that happened to us is that after each of our children was born the library dedicated a book to each of our children and I remember going with them to the library finding their book reading it together and it was just it was very special I remember also the intergenerational aspects of the library and how important that was my eldest son used to love this giant atlas that was in the library and I remember him connecting with a citizen about that and hearing stories and and so I really find that that's an important aspect and when the library moved out of the high school I thought we really needed to be intentional to really keep those opportunities front and center because I think those connections are really important and and the libraries are places where people come together where they might not otherwise have opportunities and I think that's really important for a city to have a place to for people to belong and when the library had its grand opening at the mall and I heard that there were 300 new library cards I that that was amazing to me and I and I thought those were people that we hadn't reached in the other location and I think we're just going to go from that to more and I and it's an exciting time and I'd like to be part of that my professionally I work in an area where I'm involved in planning and organizing and coordinating and meeting and facilitating and trying to bring people together and identify points of consensus and we can't always achieve consensus but we can make sure that people are heard when they have different perspectives and and I think the library has had some you know some areas where people have come from different lenses and they have viewed things differently and and if I can help in any way as a member of the board of trustees to support that process and and our you know the team of trustees and our community and you I I just would like to be part of that so well that was a great sales pitch man hired sales pitch and this fabulous letter that you wrote I move that we approve Diane's application to the library board of trustees I will second assuming that Diane has done her homework she knows when the meetings meet yes yes so the one thing I just want to be really transparent about the evening meetings work really well I think it could be a struggle for me for daytime meetings because I work full time but it seems that most of the commitments are in the evening so as you deliberate I just really want to make sure that you know that I've seen you at every meeting we've discussed this library over the past year and a half if I recall so you have been a really regular participate the participant in this discussion we're not doing much deliberating this fall yeah all right I just wanted to let her know that I have taken notes all right so all in favor hi thank you so much thank you and I appreciate this opportunity and I'll do my very best that will be wonderful you are welcome Mr. Chairman all right and thank you so much for offering to do that Diane okay item 8 is review and possible action to select the preferred alternative for muddy brook stream crossing near Kimball Avenue and Dom Dom Dom D. Pietro where's the clicker do you have it oh I got it just tell me this movie slide full service here for those that don't know me I'm Tom DePietro Deputy Director of Public Works and with me this evening is John Olin from Coyle Tanner and Associates he's the engineer on this project here to talk to you about the culvert that carries money brook under Kimball Avenue as you may recall it failed in the spring of 2017 and was subsequently closed we installed a temporary bridge and reopened it in the fall and then beginning around the middle of this year we got a grant from VTrans so that we could look into different alternatives for placement of the failed culvert because that temporary bridges temporary obviously can't be there forever so we have been working very closely with the town of Williston we were collaborating because it's on our border so kind of a 50-50 approach here we've taken with Williston staff and we've had a couple of meetings already in Williston in front of their port to get public input we talked to the bike and ped folks from both the city and the town and we had a pretty good turnout for that and so we were going to do tonight with that little bit of background as I was going to turn it over to John to quickly go through some slides just to give you an idea of what we've considered and our recommendation for how we'd like to move forward with kind of engineering design construction replacement of this thanks welcome all right thanks Tom yeah this is a this presentation was meant for a bit longer of a time for I'm gonna do my best to go really quickly through it we're gonna go high level and if you want to come back to anything we can come back at the end high level better keep this fairly basic we'll keep it basic level that I'll just talk really fast next slide so this is the project location we're located between Kennedy Drive and South Brown now right at the border of town of Wilson where Marshall Ave in Williston meets Kimble Ave in South Burlington next slide so the project schedule we had our first local concerns meeting back in June this in accordance with our study phase here we had our alternatives presentation to Williston in October and here we are for South Burlington with the final report being scheduled for completion here in December I want to point out here just that in this we're really looking at a construction completion somewhere at best like two years out you know but probably more like five years out so I want to keep the expectations of people who are hoping to get a new covert in place and and get rid of the temporary bridge it's it's gonna be a little bit before funding and design and permitting and right away can be completed next slide so there's a background on the covert we have an existing 15 foot diameter metal pipe that car heavy corrosion caused it to fail in 2017 and the 150 foot temporary bridge was put in place we've measured bank flow width which is the width between at the bottom down you guys might have heard about it before but that's the important permitting width that we measured with the river management engineer from Vermont at 32 feet and the depth of the road to the stream bed is 30 feet which are pretty deep crossing and that that comes a lot into play of how much the cost of this and the impacts when we get further into design next slide a little bit here about the roadway it's a class 2 town highway major collector for the federal aid highway system posted speed limits of 40 miles per hour for Kimball and 30 for Marshall Ave the bike and pet facilities we have a sidewalk on the north side of Kimball Ave just west of the project location and it ends just before the muddy brook crossing the same as that 10 foot shared use path which runs along the south side of Kimball Ave on the south Burlington side there was a 2006 shared use path study and a 2010 update which both pointed to this muddy brook crossing as a as a as a major barrier for continuing the path into Willis St next slide so our purpose in need statement with it we we took this from the local concerns meeting and from meetings with Tom the city and town of Wilson to this is the abbreviated version there's a length year one they'll go in the report but replace the failing culvert and temporary bridge for the Kimball Ave roadway over muddy brook with a permanent crossing structure that's first and foremost that's what we really need a failed culvert we got to get new one out there provide solutions and treatments that will improve the water quality of muddy brook minimize the resource impacts provides safe facilities for all users including bicyclists and pedestrians across muddy brook from community drive to shun pike the extent of the project limits and then improve the connectivity between existing and proposed bicycle facilities in Wilson south Burlington next slide okay this is just some fun stuff from our hydraulic study showing the before and after from a 15 foot diameter culvert to a wider crossing you can see there's a little bit less storage upstream upstream would be on the bomb side your page downstream it flows so south to north I'll move past this slide and keep going through this fast but this is a fun one we get to see it's like if you drop the whole bunch of ping pong balls into the water and this is what it would look like and that helps show us where the where the flows are going and and where we might have some areas of storage and increase you know velocities stuff like that next slide so is what we had a 50 year flood or 100 year it was undersized so just that 15 foot diameter culvert the 50 year storm it would be that 32 feet you know okay crossing it was really undersized and what okay it could pass even past 100 year storm actually the problem was is that the velocities were it would be like a fire hose out the other end of it so you can see it really backed up a lot of flow and it caused really high velocities and that's part of what the problem was is downstream we have a large scour pool that formed because of the undersized culvert and here we have the proposed structure elevation this is actually a precast concrete arch this is the well get to a little later I shouldn't say this early but it's for the preferred solution with a span of 30 foot 33 feet and a rise of 8 feet the rise is the stream bottom to the underside of that arch next slide quickly through the matrix here at our first alternative which we always have to look at in a report is the no-build alternative so that doesn't do anything that's not a viable option we have to replace the structure and then we have a structure alternative number two is the precast arch number three down the left hand side there the rigid frame there would be a cast in place alternative number four is a multi plate arch which would be like a metal plate system and number five is a bridge which would be not a buried structure we would have a deeper cut and we ruled that out pretty early in the project just based on that it's not really a cost-effective solution nor is it something that the city or town wants to maintain long term so as you can see here the only thing I really want to point out here is most of the options were were pretty close and caught costs there on the right hand side durability being the highest in a concrete type structure with the fastest road closure duration all of these we considered because there is availability for a full road closure and the impacts would be too great if we tried to maintain a lane so all these we really get went under like as if we're closing the road and detouring back over to Wilson Road but the precast arch had just a seven week closure so it became the preferred alternative for the design team as we move forward next slide road alternative number one is without having a path and just building out facilities on-road facilities with five foot wide bike shoulders for for cyclists and pedestrians use an on-road facility 11 foot travel lane is that standard or is that a little narrower it is standard for a you know you can go you can go smaller on some roads but on a road like this with a 40 mile an hour speed limit 11 feet is what our our highway team recommends currently out there right now I just want to point out it's 13 foot lanes with three foot shoulders so this would be a bit of a road diet here to help give a little more area for also try to calm that traffic speed a little bit down with 11 to go back and forth to accommodate the trucks next slide oops all right so this is just the plan view on that alternative the only I want to point out here is you can see on the left-hand side there's a green a bright green line that's that north sidewalk that's to the west of the crossing it's really a sidewalk to nowhere and doesn't we don't want to promote people going down that we'd rather have them if they're going to get on road be back on road at community drive so we show that as being removed next slide and this is the alternative number two for the road so this is a 10 foot shared juice path we're continuing the shared juice path that exists on Kimba lab across the this crossing with a 4 foot buffer or green space in this case because it's really you're still fairly close to the roadway we feel you should have a vertical offset so a curb in place there to just provide that extra bit of protection what we did here is we maintain 11 foot lanes and 4 foot shoulders because in the original meeting we did here there's going to be commuting cyclists that are still going to want to stay on road for the 4 foot shoulder provides an adequate facility for them stay on road and be safe there as well next slide and that's the plan view again now on the bottom you can see that darker gray line which is the shared juice path continue across and we stop it at the driveway on the other side for eventually hopefully a path that we continue to meet up with the facility that's further facilities are further east in in wilson next slide the two businesses I can't read that is that that like kitchen design place the brown and then on the right side yeah I'm trying to think I mean I sort of know where this is but I can't quite just past the well community drives where the whales styles are so just past that intersection okay we drive loops around there yeah it is right up there okay yeah I think that is the kitchen slide all right so this is roadway alternative number three this is a 10 foot shared juice path with a 10 foot green space so it gives a bit more of a buffer between the shared juice path and similar road section over there and I'll come down to I'll talk about the alternatives a little bit further on this presentation again so this is similar just shows you where that path is we can go next slide all right so this is the matrix and I'm just going to kind of jump down to the preferred alternative which came out from the design team as well as from the Wilson select board which is the bottom one we're going to turn to number three the 10 foot green space so that has the four foot shoulders the 10 foot path that continues across the the benefits are provides the best bike pad safety with the user comfort so you're far enough away and you can you can do some more with that green space as well so now that green space provides some snow storage stormwater treatment you can also provide some utilities like you can put a telephone pole in that area as well as signage for the roadway it gives a little more space to put those those features in there one of the other benefits is by by having that direct the stormwater can sheet off the roadway into the green space you can get the catch basin grates off the roadway which for those commuting cyclists is a big deal so it meets the purpose in need it's right away impacts are minimal for the path you know there's their the right away actually bumps out on those plan views it's when they built this culvert originally they they must have acquired some additional right away upstream and downstream so you have a bit more to play with in that area utility impacts we do have a couple of potential pole relocations we would need to sort out with during the preliminary and final design of this project and then for resource impacts there's potential tributary and what my impacts I will say because this one is the wide solution we are starting to get a little closer towards those resource impacts and without a field survey we couldn't identify where those slopes would exactly hit but they're going to be small it's going to be very minimal and there's potential to just you could do a little more structural work to try to reduce that down coming down to the last line of cost all of these costs that you see here include the structure in it which I showed costs for the structure before this is the roadway and structure the whole project for construction only if you were to put in an additional cost for engineering services and management to finish the project to probably be another two hundred thousand so I think we've talked about it being a two million dollar project in total all of these as I said they have a full road closure and the utility impacts are relatively the same for each one of them with some light temporary utility relocations we'll go next slide I think I'm almost done here and then we'll get to questions and that's it again I was almost done so the goal of this meaning is to come away with a preferred alternative for the project to move forward with so hopefully as you can you can hear I think to date the project team and in the town of Wilson have identified that 10-foot shared use greens 10-foot path with a 10-foot green space which is road alternative number three and the precast concrete arch for the structure as the preferred alternative I believe that's in the memo that Tom said questions David question is there gonna be is there lighting on the on the structure there is no lighting is there any lighting on that I ask is because typically when there's bridges and things like that there's lighting from ancillaries sources like a like a like a store or something like that or what you mentioned you know there's a business on the other side then you hit these these crossings and there's no lights at all so there's no lighting anticipated with the structure at all so the way this road would and the finished product that would be for answer that'd be for people bicycling you know right and well in just the the project itself you probably won't even notice you're going over a crossing so from the road surface and lighting I think could be something like a bridge recognize as a goal for for bike and pet but from the surface it will probably look like the rest of the power I wasn't even referring for the vehicles I was referring for bike and pet just because you got a long section of no no alternative lighting I'll just something to keep in mind I just thought something to keep in mind remind me who pays for this this is what 80% 50% the grant is 80% and we're sharing the remainder of the cost of Williston 5050 right now going forward we proposed to do the same kind of split with Williston but in that first slide you saw we still have to go out and find those funding sources to cover as much of this as possible that's where the next step hopefully and then the other 400,000 split between South and you project this project being built when 2 to 5 years it all depends how long it takes us to line up that 80% funding and then go through our 30% have to be approved does that have to come funneled through the state agency of transportation or does that come directly to south brown funding sources it has to be it has to be run through VTrans so the hold up is then I don't know how else to phrase it waiting our turn in line so to speak because this would go in the transportation budget the state transportation budget we have to make an application to certain grant programs it would be through a grant program so it's not like this doesn't qualify for that program but it's too it started off as a 15 foot crossing if it was over 20 it could have been eligible for that one but so in this case the only qualifies for certain programs there are some there easier like the town highway structures program or town highway paving programs they have lower caps though on their total amount so we've been talking about next steps of what to go what to apply for and then larger ones there through the municipal aid bureau so that would be you know the mab group with VTrans those those are the ones that have a little bit more of a time frame around even once you get in they anticipate that when you go through their step-by-step process it will take a bit longer to get to final design $200 well that's that's pretty good deal yes so I guess there's it just always find it shocking that they were able to rebuild a bridge across Lake Champlain in two years flat from start to finish and we can't do a simple culvert and bridge in four or five years that's nuts so you should just quicker but again we don't want that we don't want that to happen portion as hard as you can I think that I think the design you've suggested it looks excellent and we need we need a motion to select the preferred alternative for the stream crossing okay we got a motion and a second is there any further discussion or questions and you're referring to road alternative three and structure to all in favor signify by saying aye yeah thank you very much and I will keep lighting as I mentioned in the report I will put lighting in the report to consider during funds on it's a good point for the bike and pet piece of it thank you thank you very much okay item number nine is the status and report on the paving projects and plans for next spring Justin rabbit oh welcome good evening Justin rabbit with the public works department in the last I don't know eight or so weeks we have paved and completed 16 streets or subsections of streets throughout the city it started with the base of Dorset Street was our first project and since then we've been going non-stop as recently as Saturday but we had some weather so and we have three sections three others remaining and we hope to have that done again whether committing within the next week or two at the conclusion of that we will have completed our paving contract which includes an FY 18 carryover into our FY 19 paving program we will have spent roughly one point four million dollars in just a little over two months on repaving in the city I certainly have the list of 16 streets we've paved in the three that are remaining I can rattle that off three that are remaining Spear Street from Pheasant Way to the Sherman Tom line for those of you that go the back way into into Colchester down Airport Parkway we've put a shimcoat on Airport Parkway we have to finish that job and we're doing a small section of Timber Lane so those are the three roads that are left again with Airport Parkway kind of being half done at this point I know Tom will be happy to and will can I ask you on the Spear Street segment will we have bike lanes as fat as or as wide as Shelburne we will have I guess I'm going to look Kimball Avenue that we just repaved Kimball Avenue is a good example of how we would answer that question before we showed up and repave Kimball Avenue I think as these guys were just saying in the previous presentation there was a lot more road space given to the vehicular lane so you had what we consider today substandard call them fog line fog lines edge lines what we now call bicycle lanes if you drive our repaved and restriped Kimball Avenue you'll notice that there are five foot bike lines five foot bike lanes it's all done within the same curb to curb distance so on Spear Street and anywhere on any of these projects whenever we have the opportunity we restriped the road to give as much space as possible 11 is become our default road width we'll consider going down to 10 under certain circumstances we don't want a lot of trucks we don't want transit we don't want high speeds you know so we'll we'll squeeze as much as we can when it's safe and practical but again today's 11 foot lane not too long ago we're 13 14 15 feet wide was kind of you'd have a 15 foot wide lane and a one foot edge you know so we're just repurposing the same amount of space okay so Spear Street will be as much room as we can get however the section of Spear Street kind of from overlook back towards Swift there wasn't enough room to put adequate facilities on each side of the road so in working with the bicycle and pedestrian committee we chose to give a lot more of that room on the west side of the road where there's kind of the people use it frankly as like a walking path so when faced with those types Alan Streets another example when faced with we don't have enough room to do both what's the more practical side to provide a facility we'll make those choices too okay and so that is that true also then sicklin that is such a skinny little and sicklin is really narrow we're going to be lucky to have one or two foot there's not a growth there's not a great option for on-road facilities other than share the road but it's a really we repaved it but I don't think it's been striped yet has it correct again I was just curious so it's tough enough to find good weather for paving then you know striping comes afterwards whenever they can find some dry time to make a road like that wider and I only say that because there are a lot of bicyclists and people walk on I mean I think they're nuts because there's no place to walk and it's like it because there's a ditch it's just really expensive well you have Vance sicklin and a lot of South Brompton's roads in the southeast quadrant are non-curbed so you generally have adjacent roadside stormwater collection ditches or swales varying levels of form of formalness so moving those you have utilities mailboxes probably other right-of-way issues so what might look like in the abstract I've just put three feet it's much more of a project from a cost standpoint and then for what we plan on tomorrow's probably not going to happen because we're anticipating a lot of rain however tomorrow's a day we were planning on putting the base coat of pavement down on Market Street where we're working so it probably won't be tomorrow but that's kind of it's not seen by most folks but the market project continues to move along November 20th the road will be kind of given back to the city just in time for the holiday season with a fresh coat of pavement on the majority of the road so that also has occurred again a little bit out of sight out of mind for most folks but pretty soon it will be back open with a nice road base on most of it our plans for next spring are going to be somewhat contingent on how we come out of the budget cycle once there's in our view once there's a council approved budget at some point in January we're going to bid our paving contract for fiscal 20 we're not going to wait in until the voter approval in March we wouldn't spend we're not going to spend any money until July 1 but by bidding it early it guarantees this lining up contractors early so we can kind of get going early in the season so we're not playing this dance late in the year again next year so we'll just have to wait and see where the budget discussions go we certainly have a number in mind that's been consistent with the years past however we want to continue the treatment we did at the base of Dorset Street we want to keep coming south to market and hope and maybe healthy living that's expensive work again we worked with John's group it's night work there's a lot more involved in paving that than there is like for example a van sicklin or a timber lane so it's conceivable we could be looking at half a next year's paving budget trying to allocate that to a couple blocks of Dorset Street with the remainder being spread throughout the city as needs arise and we want and again we're going to keep doing this until we get down to Kennedy Drive certainly up towards Wilson Road we have all that north brown traffic kind of breaking you know hitting hitting their brakes which caused a lot of the ruts that we filled in with the paving project and you know so you'll notice also kind of from the blue mall to healthy living we did some work with our own guys this season grinding out those wheel ruts and repaving them it's not the smoothest but at least you don't kind of have that nice three or four inch depression in the wheel rut so in terms of what our plans for next you know next paving season FY 20 there'll be to bid out our paving contract probably in late January early February whatever the budget timeline is probably allocate roughly half of it to our continuation of Dorset Street we're up for it's every basically every other year we are awarded a class 2 paving grant if you recall we had that discussion about the random miscellaneous revenue within the highway budget it was from a class 2 paving so we will we would hope to seek some state money to help us Dorset Street's a class 2 highway so they will pay for 80% of that so if that happens then that you know I think the grant tops out at $180,000 so that gives us essentially an extra $180,000 to be applying elsewhere throughout the city yes and since it's original yeah well it's 11 inches 8 inches it's it's very the payment there's a reason it lasted because there's about a foot of payment down there which is very atypical so the state didn't help us with those two blocks no well we got a class 2 paving grant the year before but they basically tell communities is feel free to apply every year you're only going to get awarded every other year because we have to spread the money around so we don't we don't even we try to stay on the good side so we literally just apply every other year and they when we get awarded any other cost impacts or advantages to making the bid after the March vote if you get earlier in the season in any line of work before folks are generally busy or you're going to get more competitive pricing whether it doesn't matter if it's a storm on our project or a paving project if you can be bidding over the winter that's pretty much your ideal if you start bidding later in the season folks are a little less hungry so they'll take on a project but only only a certain number you know that they no longer just want to make two or three percent they want to make 11% on it but by combining and having a very large 1.4 million dollar paving contract we I believe it was somewhere between 15 and 18 percent reduction in our per ton price from the year before because we bought in such bulk and such volume so there there's value to having that taking two years worth of paving running frankly and doing it you know I mean we've done that a couple times in years past but this year our goal is to get get out there as soon as we can bid it and pave it as soon as the you know the fiscal year allows you know it's the complaints we get we're generally addressing you know so we had some complaints about vansic when we pay vansic when people you know so the complaints are very form in informative that they help us put together our paving program but nothing that we can't usually accommodate within a season or two so I would consider the complaints we get reasonable and consistent with the condition of our network in general we in general the roads that they are pretty good we have a new we have a newer community we don't have a lot of utility patches like other towns do so but the areas we get complaints on we're really able to kind of turn around and deal with them in a hurry on a slightly unrelated issue but it's still about a road I was just curious Williston seems to have slower speed limits by 10 miles an hour you know the Marshall Kimball you get over the bridge and all of a sudden it's 10 and then if you're going on well I don't know there's another place when you're going toward the big boxes and it goes when you go over the interstate yeah 2a and it's 40 degrees and 40 miles an hour in South Burlington and then 30 in Williston I'm just curious why I mean is it does the city just drive faster than the so go I would say most of our speed limits probably are from when the roads were open and built in the speed limits were set we do not run around changing speed limits in fact in the state of Vermont state statutes indicate you needed an engineering study to support a speed limit change so even if we collectively wanted to change Kimball from 40 to 30 there are formal steps you would have to take to do that why ours are higher than theirs in some locations when South Burlington accepted you know so when plans go through the DRB process they come with a signage plan that includes speed limits and well you know now we're building kind of more neighborhoods and less Kimball avenues you know so that's really not an issue I don't historically I can't really answer that question but there there is a there is a method for doing it and it it's involved in the cost of money everyone has trouble keeping up with striping in Vermont yeah there's not so there's not there's not enough work in Vermont for there to be a lot of contractors so there's there's roughly there's two contractors in Vermont that do it they they take all the state jobs like they love doing those big interstate jobs they come and work with in fact Colchester worked with a company out of Massachusetts because they couldn't get anyone so it's we have talked about with Burlington doing a joint purchase for the state of Vermont owns the quarter million dollar line-sharpening machines the type of machine you use to to in a professional manner to restripe a road we talked about doing a joint purchase of Burlington a few years ago they're a little hesitant but it's it's probably the most underserved service in our line of work in Vermont but Chittenden County doing you could do a consortium and when I when I worked in the Loyal County we bought a hydroceder as a consortium there's yeah it would I think it would be worth it just from getting the product in the ground you know you're out front the cap a little bit and then you were always dickering about you know if Kevin can figure out how to do countywide dispatch we can probably figure out of my county line striper because we all we all face this question from our constituents and from our legislative bodies I know because we talk about it yeah so it's something I can bring up when I meet with the folks because you know it's not a great big deal at times it's it is a big deal yeah well I mean it's not until it's not until it is right until like a night like this when it's dark and rainy how would that compare to what we did we bought our own line striper so we bought we bought one so I just mentioned the machinist it uses about a quarter million dollars we bought one that was a magnitude less so's $25,000 you know and so and you've seen some of that work like on you've seen some of that work on patching on spear on market it's it's not of the quality that you want to be doing miles of long line work it has its utility and we use it on kind of more micro levels but essentially it doesn't float with the imperfections of the road and so as it bounces around the the the line moves in this direction it gets narrow it gets fat depending upon where the head is relative so I mean it's a $25,000 machine that has really good utility but for this it doesn't solve the safe of the problem let's look into maybe something that might do the job more efficiently and more regular you know Justin took the initiative with the support of the council to we had the same problem with traffic lights a couple years ago and so we took one of our team members learned how to do this and and we have the equipment now to do it so we're we're taking care of one traffic signal contractor and Vermont he retired now there are zero you know so and there's one on New Hampshire that folks try to get we need tech schools get these there's a group in New Hampshire that but then their workload can't just they can't just meet a doubled workload so yeah well good that's a good idea okay no Hughes that was just an update so thank you thank you yeah a number item 10 well I'm here yes this I know it's like November but as a reminder to all in audience and on television on December 1st our winter parking van goes into effect until April 1st that is midnight 8 a.m. it is city-wide it is not is it snowing you know it's a city-wide van from December 1 April 1 we enforce it when it's when it needs to be enforced however that's not an invitation for folks just to choose to ignore it that I just want to get that speed yeah so I'm done with that thank you the trash pickup is that something that you could address we've had a couple of emails oh that okay I was okay I was about to go into a different topic area so at these busy areas you know when a someone dumps a McDonald's cup out their window and it blows around it's generally at higher traffic areas the ones that have been pointed out to us by our friendly traveler from Heinsberg happened to be along state rights of way we'll intervene if things get really egregious like for example a few years ago the the grass mediums on Shubham Road down by IDX were like waist high so we went out and mowed it but frankly we have enough things to do without doing their work but if we see like a couple days ago on Dorset Street I don't know if it fell out of a truck or someone they were just bags of garbage like kind of in a succession down the road so you know if we saw that on a state road we would pick it up we don't do kind of litter patrol on state highways but if we see something like if it's a couch or just bags of garbage we don't care where it is or who says well we will pick it up oh yeah we whether it's just streets sweeping efforts or our guys that mow the green the highway green spaces they spend 80 percent mowing 20 percent 10 percent moving signs and 10 percent picking up garbage you know so we it's not a front line thing but when our guys are in areas like when they're mowing out there yeah they're they're picking this stuff up we don't do any maintenance on 189 however if at the entry on the 199 at Kennedy again if there was a if there was a something that needed our attention we would deal with it but we're not gent we're not as rule of thumb hopping up into that kind of overgrown area picking out little individual pieces of garbage yeah so stated Vermont operates in districts some and in for in Chittenden County the district five office is located in Forty-Finn Allen from 15 and their phone number is six it's six five five thirty five forty whoever answers the phone it's the state of Vermont district five maintenance office or you know we we have good relationship to those folks so if there are specific things that people come across sometimes it might be dealt with quicker if it's coming if we get in touch with our contacts so if you see something please email Kevin and he can shoot it to me and I can send it to you know it might be sometimes it's quicker instead of just a phone call that creates a piece of paper that goes in a pile thank you okay item 10 discussion and possible action related to the distribution right it's six five five thirty five forty I hate to admit this 40 no no six five five thirty five forty if you're old enough and you knew on roof I know it's it's the old phone number to Zachary's pizza across from Fannie Allen on route 15 and I grew up in Winooski and we called it a lot the maintenance the district number six five five fifteen eighty once you start going with the number the rest of numbers just from when I was like 11 ordering pizza for the family it's still stuck up there I do the same with names yeah I used to work with Roger Moore at UVM library yeah thank you I'm sorry wouldn't you be popular please call this number all okay item 10 discussion and possible action related to the distribution of social services funding Tom are you going to talk about that or Kevin I'm happy to just kind of give the intro this is the time of year that the council does the allocation of the social services funding and we're at a point that I think Celine has heard from about eight organizations to just kind of acknowledge that they understand that the resources are more limited this year but questioning is there still a process that they can apply for and I think we we just want to craft a response to them as to what the council's thinking is at this point we have $15,000 total that's that's in the budget for social services this year in comparison to I think 40 so you're going to be recommending 15k for social services that's what's in there now Helen current budget for FY 19 and that's what these groups are are just requesting is that money available to them is the council looking to allocate that differently or to one organization or to yeah I just kind of welcoming that kind of discussion as to what your thoughts might be I can't think of only one deserving I think we had that discussion we were trying to limit last year yeah we talked about local but we're talking about spreading across the age groups I can't imagine being narrower than that unless something pressing but I think it is something like the United Way is probably like the only one that would contribute to these different organizations more comprehensively we may we think we are going to do a United Way campaign this year for the employees totally voluntary if if you wanted to use the social services money as a match for that that's not a bad idea at all you know could do that and then as Tom pointed out it gets distributed widely so we would give all of it to United Way is that what you're saying so that's kind of a match the employees would give whatever they give and then we would match that with city funds and it would go to United Way you could and how much so we're going to run a truly voluntary campaign no pressure but we're going to make the opportunity available so well that's one one thing to think about when do you need answer thinking we get it tonight I think it's more to get you thinking so that we could actually take an action soon so that we can at least inform the organizations we're looking to build their budgets you know around what they may or may not get some some of them are our groups that we funded in the past you know like the Howard Center Center for Independent Living the V&A sent one in two right in a Vermont family network a lot of them are funded through United Way these are any of these funded through United Way are they all I believe some of them are the right the right cross sure I think I don't know because the United Way I mean to your question David I think the United Way had a broader scope a couple years ago and I know that they refocused their giving and they were quite a number of organizations in our community that no longer were getting United Way funding because they were really focused on I can't remember what the three things were so it's not just a given that well these are the ten that we've always given to so United Way will cover it that that would be a good to know when I chose for United Way it goes to Burlington services so so I've ended up doing it individually we could go take like 15 we could give 10 to United Way last year David we did have a council and then Barb wanted to say something but we did have a council discussion with thinking that it might make more sense to give to fewer organizations but a larger chunk of money so they could actually do something rather than I mean we were giving like $500 to visually impaired and I mean and I know that every little nickel helps in organizations but the conversation was can we be a little more purposeful or thoughtful about our our decision Barb did you have a comment I see what Megan said in terms of is there any assurance that this money would stay if we did a match with United Way is there any assurance that the money would stay in South Burlington or will it in fact go to Burlington and if that's the case then I'm not so sure that we wanted to leave our city especially sure just a thought so that's where the match might be nice the family family center the family center that they're still active have a little over $20,000 oh I think they're they're set for now common groups is the other local the London and then we also had the Lund family center I think that's anything that and Howard and the Champlain Valley agency which has a new name agent and the steps to end violence oh the domestic violence thing yeah well maybe I mean will the United Way give us a list of who they're planning I mean they can't really say these are the 10 organizations we're giving to next year but they could tell us who they're giving to this year I mean just as information about how many of them are are here because what we've done in the past is also David people that different organizations have made their case by saying we serve you know 500 families in South Burlington you know versus I'm happy to get some more information from me nine way because I really don't understand how the funding works and whether or not you can allocate it to certain towns or if you can pick certain what are we and what are we thinking will be our social services budget for FY 20 yes that's really the next part that I just like to encourage you to think about and again probably a better discussion with all five counselors it would help us in just in terms of the guidance for the budget for this year so that we're not dealing with with that issue at the budget time could we still provide an incentive but have them go to top eight or ten that we have identified for the employees as a match and that I mean I know that there used to be a committee council brought it up that used to choose different associations that we would be giving that to them they do they do well it certainly Thomas raised it quite a few times she doesn't want to be voting on 5,000 for this group and 750 for that group that doesn't bother me I'm thinking more the incentive trying to keep the incentive going because or the United Way funding for the employees to I see I mean could you do not a United Way but a South Burlington way yeah I mean have a have the employees say we want to give to non-profit organizations that do these kinds of things in in South Burlington well it's kind of committed to the United Way this year well we haven't given you much direction yes I guess Betty think I'm a consider having it stay in South Burlington when you say $500 doesn't seem like much if it were a local South Burlington organization like comment $500 is a big contribution to an organization like that it really makes a big difference you know for an organization I mean I don't know I guess you can look at organizations that have a budget under you know a certain amount you want to see what their budgets are so you know what kind of an impact on that organization our funds actually are happening you know rather than it you know when you talk about a $200 million agency you know which we are in some of these cases you know our $500 whatever what's what's the impact on South Burlington whereas if it's a smaller organization we really do make a big impact I would agree particularly when it's really tax dollars working from there well we may want to consider then a small committee that would actually use your suggestion and look at the budget of the organization to get a sense of how much what kind of impact we can make which is not to say that the V&A doesn't need our money because they you know for example or the Howard which are two big agencies but they provide some pretty significant assistance to our residents that in spite of a big budget you know they really rely on those contributions but then there are others where you have a different yeah who might be struggling or just yeah I'll get some more information on the United Way and how they do their funding and but yeah I think probably put it on the next agenda if we can if we have more of the council there to make on November 19th yes whatever you want okay okay management prerogative we feel we have it's a I feel very good about what we did last year yeah to be quite honest with you so I feel comfortable yeah yeah I did too I thought we did a pretty good job and it wasn't all that painful so maybe put it out line a couple options for you ahead of time to get you thinking about it and then just kind of have to vote okay right okay item 11 consider convening is the South Rownton Liquor Control Commission to consider the following application tavern to first class license I thought it was closed well I'm sorry let's have the motion to go into all in favor aye yes so we are now convened as the liquor control Commission and I thought tavern to was closed isn't that the one on Sheldon Road the sign is off of it right next to the Larkins used to be a pizza place and then juniors pizza and then they turned it into tavern to and another back so they closed and they want to be back again okay I believe so yes this every time we always forget we did this last time yeah it's indoor it's not outdoor so I think it's the lowest level I think license 2 is the higher level I'm pretty sure I'm like 95% sure it's interior interior only yeah oh so it's not a question of whether it's just beer and wine but it's say I thought it was beer and wine is is second class and first class is everything a bar yeah yeah I was gonna Google it and see so I think that our police chief has no qualms so yeah we didn't get all the paperwork though at least I couldn't find it it was in the packet oh was it in the packet my my thing is dead I mean I guess it's what Sean signed off on we don't have the fire that's true and we don't have if there are any former violations obviously they want this license quickly because the holiday season is coming up right all right so a first class liquor license is just beer and wine and third class must be everything else yeah I think the higher you go the more the more you get okay I guess all right all right so I have a motion to approve the tavern to first-class license I thought you just said Megan's making the motion are you gonna second it I'll second it usually the chair doesn't but I'll second it okay all any further discussion shall we drink to this one okay all in favor signify by saying aye aye all right is there any other business to come before I guess he was inspected on the second of November okay there's just no signature expected by Edward Spooner okay so is there any other business second all in favor hi so we are adjourned but don't leave until you sign things please all righty our next meeting won't be quite as short I mean next week right no the 13th the 13th public hearing the public hearing yeah thank you but I needed to sign this thank you well I'm glad we honored Judy that was nice is my calendar says there's some sort of an