Hey everybody, welcome to the Zeldinformer podcast. My name is Chris Kitchen, taking over the reins for this week's podcast, episode 64. Isn't that awesome guys? I'm sure it is. I want to thank Brandon and Company for that awesome intro, and let's get into some of this week's topic. Alright guys, so Star Wars Battlefront had a post release and a lot of fans thought it might have been as not as overwhelming as they thought. Back Friday is this week, and there's been super sales between your Microsoft platforms and PlayStation platforms, but not as much as Nintendo platforms. What's up with that guys? Fallout 4 patch notes have been released, and they have a lot of new bug fixes. Let's see how that goes. And the Legend of Zelda survey for 2015 results have came in. Alright guys, thank you for joining me this week. My name is Chris once again, and this week I'm joined by... Hi, it's this guy, it's Colin. The one that you're all here for. How are you doing Colin? I'm doing AOK, very slow, crappy week last week, but things are picking up. Yeah, it's alright. Yeah. Well, you know, we're on the podcast now man. Time to do our thing. A whopping four days later. There you go. Hello, I'm Luke, returning once again. Hello. Hello, I'm from the land of the kangaroos and the spiders. Yeah, it's a bit spooky. I know it's only been like three and a half hours since the last podcast, but did you happen to listen to our last one? We had a little standby for you. Actually, no, I did not. I've been quite busy this week. Well, you better hop on that. I will be sure to. Good. And the final and most special guest of all this week. Hi guys, it's Adam. Chris is taking over this episode, but I'm still here because I can never leave. We're doing this episode a little early because we have Thanksgiving breaks and eating to get to. But yeah, Chris wanted to host an episode and I am lazy, so I took him up on it immediately. There we go. And with that, let's get into this week's discussions.  Oh, can I start? Yes, of course, Adam. Chris, you'll be happy to know that I decided to finally get into one of the best Zelda games of all time. According to you, Legend of Zelda, the Minish Cap, and I am making it a goal to play a dungeon every single week at least. So far, I've made it the first four dungeons. Well, I made it through the first dungeon. It'll be a short series. I made it through the first dungeon. I really like it so far. I really like the Minish power getting small. Eslo is really charming. I really like what he's been saying so far. He's fantastic, right? Yeah, he's great. He's the coolest guy.  I guess this is my house, too. Where's my room? Yeah, he just assumes everything he says. He's self-entitled. And this is really cute.  And you press sure. And they're like cuddling in bed. And Eslo, like, Link wakes up and he has to shake Eslo awake. And it's super cute. Yeah, it's a great game. Yeah, it's really nice. And it's weird because it seems like there's a lot more confusion in this one. Like, I felt weirdly lost. Like, not like I have no idea what I'm doing, but I had to look up a guide just to figure out where I was supposed to go. Yeah, it makes you want to really explore the world for yourself and figure everything out. Right, but it was like, oh, you need to go to get this. You need to go get the elemental shards or whatever. And I leave the Minish world thinking, oh, that's where I'm supposed to go. But actually, what they wanted me to do was stay in the Minish world in the village and go to this specific castle thing to go to a shrine, which yeah, I don't know how I was supposed to assume that. It was poorly worded. But other than that, it's very cool. I had a lot of fun. There's like this gust item in the first dungeon that kind of has a cool.  Yeah, it's like Luigi's Mansion, but it's all the game. So yeah, that's what I've been playing this week. Awesome. I've been playing. Recently, I got back into Verdun, which is a game we briefly mentioned a few times on the podcast. Best game. Yeah, it just occurred to me the other day that so far, Verdun might actually be my game of the year for this year. Wow. Because it's the one game I've been playing all year. I can still pick it up and play and play for hours on end. And on top of that, it's a success story. It shows that green light and early access can work if the developers aren't just total idiots. Right. Not to mention that game's been in development for years. Yeah, it has. And it's actually shown progress. Like, it's almost completely different from what it was when it first entered early access. Yeah, I remember you showed me that game. They shared a video with Game Spy about like from what it was seven years ago. Yeah, 2006, I want to say almost nine years ago. It's crazy. Yeah, good stuff. What about you, Luke Skywalker? I've been playing a lot of this game called Bermude or Vermitide, one of the two I can't really remember. I like that game. It's good. It's so fun. It's a good game. Would you say 10 out of 10? I'd say it's a good 8 out of 10. I'd say it needs a lot of work because it is still like beta or alpha, I think. No, it's been released. Oh, really? Yeah, no, it's finished. It's done. Oh, well. So I found a few glitches and stuff then that I probably shouldn't have. Like any great game out there. But yeah, overall, I had a lot of fun with it. I've put about 10 to 12 hours into it because I've been pretty busy this week. But yeah, it's quite fun. Good stuff, good stuff. Myself this week, I'm still trying to 100% fall out for before the DLC comes out. And then I also picked up my 3DS this week. And I picked up Smash Brothers again because I've been playing Smash Brothers in my Wii U since I got it. And I've sort of neglected my 3DS. However, I'm playing it as the character's known to play as, which is Toon Link, Mega Man, Roy, and Sonic on my 3DS. And I got to say, characters like Mega Man specifically, I feel like they work way better on the 3DS than it does on the Wii, or either Wii U, rather. Just I feel like his controls are a lot more solid on the 3DS than a controller for the GameCube promoters. What kind of made you realize that? I don't know. I had a few matches where I'm like, wow. I'm normally not this good at Smash Brothers. I actually got to play with one of the fanboys we got out there, Homie Jake. That's what we call him back home. And he agreed, because him and I, I think, were equally balanced Smash Brothers players. And usually, I can execute moves as well as I can on the GameCube remote than the 3DS. He seems to be a lot more, I feel like it's me more as a player than it is as the character. I feel like the character is the same across the board. But me as a player, I just find the 3DS controller a lot more solid, which is weird. That shouldn't be the thing. I don't know, that's just me, though. All right. But anyways, guys, we have important holidays and special events to happen this last weekend, this week as well. Yeah, we got plenty of birthdays. I was thinking about this on my drive home today. I feel like every console's birthday is in November, just because that's when they're released. But we have some major ones. We'll say that much. I knew this last week. Happy birthday to the Odyssey. Happy birthday to the Odyssey. You are truly the gaming console of the next generation. You will be sorely missed. Yeah, exactly. It's not the Odyssey's birthday. I lied. Well, I mean, I'll tell you what birthdays we did have this last week. We had the Super Nintendo, which turned 25. That's crazy. 25 years ago. It is. Get on that before it gets too old. I know, seriously. Colin mentioned this one earlier this week. Sega Saturn turned 21. Yeah. He's old enough to drink. He or she. Go play a stall? Isn't there like a Sonic game on the Sega Saturn? Actually, the complete opposite of that. Oh, boy. There is not a Sonic game on the Saturn. You can play the Sega Saturn drinking game now with your Sega Saturn, which is you insert a random Sega Saturn library game into the Sega Saturn. And if it's good, you don't take a shot.  You won't be drinking at all because they're very good. Very amazing home ports of Street Fighter Alpha 1 to 3. You would know. They're good. Excuse me. It's a Capcom. You know, Capcom developed Minish Cap. Yeah, they did. Yeah, they did. That's not the only result they did. They also did Oracle of Ages and Seasons, which are very too like also some of my favorite top-down Zelda games for like on the mobile. They're pretty much the only other ones besides trying to think what else. At least the pause was apported to the Game Boy Color, I think. Yeah, it was. You were apported to the Game Boy Color. We are all ports to the Game Boy Color, especially when we had like little cartridges. Link to the past was ported to the GBA. No, it was also apported to that's Game Boy Advance. It was ported to the Game Boy Advance. Yeah, I think that's my bad. That's what I just said. It's not. OK, we're sorry. Not Game Boy Color. Another birthday that happened this last week was the Xbox 360 turned 10. And the Xbox One turned 2. Yes, it turned 2. Or no, it's 3 now. It came out in 2013. It's 2 years. The X-Bone is officially a toddler. 1 to 2. Exactly. And I'm sure the PlayStation's turned like the same, like 10, 12, 2. It's turned 30 million units. That's what it's turning. Yeah, yeah. PlayStation 2 all time bestselling console. Isn't the PS4 just about to beat the GameCube in sales? No, I mean, if it's about to hit 30 million, it means it's past the GameCube. Yeah, right. I don't think it's past the PlayStation 2 yet, though. It's not going to. Yeah, well, yeah, I feel like no console will ever be PlayStation 2, like ever. The adding PlayStation 2 and Mlida to PlayStation 4. And let's just put a really big asterisk next to that one. Yeah, let's we could talk about that a little later in the podcast. I actually had another thing because there's other special events going on this week, like Thanksgiving guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's cool things coming. You know, the families get together. We kill a turkey and we eat it, that type of thing. Wait, we're supposed to kill it? Oh, it's giving us. Here in Australia, we actually have a tradition called Giveings of Thanks. It's where we slaughter a cow and then bathe in its blood for three years. All right, let me ask Adam. Are we allowed to put that on? Slaughter and cow and bathing is one. Yeah, whatever. That's fine. OK, we can say we're Satanists. I don't care. It's not a curse word. Adam and I have a tradition. Well, at least it's happened a year ago. So we're going to do it again this year. During the Thanksgiving and the Christmas times, even. It's where we hold hands. And that's it. That's the whole thing. That's it.  And we go our separate ways. And we have fun. We have lots of fun. And someone else comes along. But, you know, that's that's not a here to there. Yeah, exactly. So it was brought up to my attention that what if what if Hyrule had a Thanksgiving? Like, how would how would we be able to set up like a Hyrulean Thanksgiving? Would it be from the beginning? Yeah, would it be messed up to eat a loft wing?  Oh, my God, you're absolutely right.  They will murder you. That is that would be that would be one bloody Thanksgiving. I'll say that much. There would be no thanks. Only cheers. Cheers. What do we I mean? We get to eat fairies sort of like we don't eat them.  You make very pie. But they'll they'll just fly out around us. Then we won't we'll lose the enjoyment of actually eating the food and we'll just get like, you know, regain our energy and our strength and maybe a little bit of brotherhood and sisterhood. That's about it. Of the trail of that brings up a second question. Is Link a vegetarian? No, he doesn't. He drinks milk. Already not a vegetarian. That doesn't mean he's a vegetarian. That just means he's not a vegan. What's that other thing you can be? Yeah, he's not a vegan, but he also eats fairies. So most it's like vegan milk. Yeah, he I think I'm pretty sure he eats the fairies. Herries are vegan. Is there vegan milk? I don't even know. Yeah, there is soy milk. You guys don't remember the legendary scene in Wind Waker where Link just kind of sighs, takes out a bag of beef jerking and just starts chomping away. Yeah, you've got nothing else to do. It's one of my favorite idol animations of all time. I thought we were going to talk about the scene where he goes to a like a floating restaurant and they're like, oh, would you like some of this chicken parmesan? He's like, no, thank you, sir. Do you have any spinach? It's more like, hit, hat, a hit. We're not going to talk about the scene where he in Twilight Princess when he's in dog form and he looks into a mirror and he's like, if I wasn't this dog, I'd eat it. That sounds pretty accurate. Twilight Princess is actually the story about how he becomes a vegetarian. Yeah. He's just like, what have I done? Mid is more of a side blood. Twilight Realm, man. General is not even on the door. I guess that makes Minish Cap the story where Link becomes like a schizophrenic if he always talks to his hat. I think we actually finally figured out what happened to Navi in Ocarina of Time. Thank Ada. What happened? And that's what he came up with. He's not really looking for Navi. He's just looking for another fairy to eat.  I've never had yellow or purple fairy before. That would be excellent. Well, wait a minute, you guys. Where did the purple link go in Triforce Eons? He was pushed down a well. Yeah, that sounds just about right. Yeah, beginning of the game, he started up as you just see regularly pushing purple link down a well. It's really weird. Miyamoto insisted that be the first thing the player saw. Insisted. And then it's just like 15 minutes of him falling down this really long well, occasionally hitting something and just getting really hurt. Does he end up landing in town now, is the question? No, he just dies. He just dies. Yeah. You know, Adam, speaking of other things that hurt players. So I was looking at some Black Friday sales this week because, you know, this year I pushed some. The holiday of violence. Yeah, exactly. I'm looking to get the best video game deals, you know? Shop online. Right, right. I don't like, I really don't get how there are still people who get up super early in the morning and try to go for these big Black Friday deals when you can just stay at home and now buy these things online.   And I've noticed that the trends of when people come in and when they leave, it's because of where I work at. They open at like 6 p.m. on Thanksgiving and then they're open until Friday until closing time. I think the smartest thing I've ever heard about going to shop on Black Friday was in a very early Mega64 podcast, they mentioned how they all like hang out around the time all the stores like open up at Black Friday. They just sit around, they wait three hours and then they actually go to the store because everything's still there. Oh, you know, like when I was, during like I would work these shifts, like people would come in between 6 and 1 a.m. or 6 and 2 a.m. and then it would be completely dead. Yeah, exactly. In like the malls between the hours of like 3 a.m. to like 11 a.m. Friday morning. So you honestly don't need to go like in between, I mean, if you want to choose between that, like open window between 3 and 11 a.m. to go, I mean, you'll be good. You go to these stores and you'll get whatever you want. I also, it depends on what you're looking for too though. Yeah. I only went on Black Friday shopping for the past three years with my friend Zach just because I used to spend my Thanksgiving dinners with him and his family, which is always really nice. And they would always pressure me to go with them Black Friday shopping. I never really got into the hype of it myself. But it was a nice experience. I think for some people, it's really just like kind of another thing that people do, like a tradition sort of thing to go Black Friday shopping. It's not really as much about the deals themselves. I feel like it's maybe the first time, it's like the first couple of times it's fun and it's cool, I guess. I mean, not that waiting in lines for things is like fun and cool. But just being with like the people there, you know. Right.  This is where it happened. I wanna say only in the U.S. We started to have more and more excessive Black Friday sales to the point that some stories were like, early Black Friday sales, starting at seven on Thursday. And now it seems like after like five years of this going on, it seems like people are finally like, no, we don't want this anymore. So I think they're starting to calm down again. Yeah. But it was getting really out of control for a couple of years. Microsoft actually started their online Black Friday deals three days ago. If you're an Xbox Live Gold member, all the sales they have are already like up. And Best Buy is doing all their stuff online.  Their Geek Club? No. They make the computers work again. Adam, stop with the silliness. Isn't Black Friday? Actually, just know, go ahead, Luke. Just an Australian question here. Sorry about this. It's actually on Friday. But like, isn't that the world where like five people died last year on it? Yes. Oh, that happens every single year. Yeah. Somebody gets very hurt. Trampled every single time.  What is it celebrating? People are terrible. They're celebrating great deals. That's the only thing. The worst part is that Black Friday deals aren't even that good. Most only save like maybe $100 or $2. I prefer Cyber Monday deals. Yeah. Speaking of bad deals, though, I just want to talk about this really fast. I was looking at like video game deals for Black Friday. I thought we were going to talk about our favorite episodes of Deal or No Deal. And I was going to get really excited. Seriously, though. I saw a bunch of like I guess pretty great deals for like, you know, Microsoft and Sony like products like PlayStation and Xboxes out the wild zoo and all the games that come out for them, all the third party stuff, but not a lot really for Nintendo. And I found that kind of, I mean, I guess we're no strangers to Nintendo not really having many sales, but like they've been kind of standing their ground on this for a few years now. Like. That they won't have as many Black Friday sales. Well, I mean they have sales in general is on their products.  I saw that in the GameStop ad, it's like the 279. I think Nintendo's plan is usually just like, it's usually like, oh, our stuff is just cheap enough that it will sell. Yeah. Well anyway, because I remember last year was really good for the Wii U on Black Friday because you had the Best Buy bundle that was like the Smash Brothers Wii U that came with Smash Brothers and Donkey Kong Country Returns. Like it was pretty crazy. That sounds awesome. And then this year we're of course getting the Splatoon Smash Brothers bundle. Which if that doesn't sell like every single system because that itself comes with like the two like of the best selling games for that console I can think of. Yes. You know, like, I don't know, I'm just, I'm a little surprised because I really wanted to get stuff for like my 3DS, my Wii U this coming year, but like, I'm a physical copy kind of dude. You know, I was hoping to get something but I'm not sure where to find the good deals. GameStop doesn't have them. Walmart doesn't have them. Target doesn't have them. What, I need, I need, when it needs to be some sort of shining light that comes down. Let me show you, let me hook up. Here, Nintendo's gonna do some sort of online.  They're not very good, but there's something.  I got this guy's name is Larry. Don't worry about it. All right, he's got some good, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. He's got some good deals.  Don't worry about it. Don't ask where it comes from. Don't ask about the stains. Don't worry about it. Just take it, give him the $10. Go your separate ways. Be at the dock, 7 p.m. tomorrow night. Don't ask any questions. Don't ask where it's docked. You know it's docked. I don't have to tell you again. I swear to God. Can I bring a little Tony? Ask me where it's docked.   It's just like missing all the electric who's in charge. It could also totally be that all of these stores only want to advertise their deals on games that just came out this year, and there's not really much in the way of Nintendo to like, shoving your face in terms of advertising. Because you can see. Hell, at least I can go get Wolfenstein the old blood and even the new order for like $10 each. Good, there's some of the best games of the last couple of years. You should be getting those. You should be getting those folks. If you buy Wolfenstein the new blood and you let it sit on your shelf for a couple of like months, does it turn into Wolfenstein the old blood? I don't think the new blood exists. I don't know how the new order would turn into the old blood, but.  Yeah, but in order. The order, not blood. The jokes, Adam's got them tonight. So speaking of awesome games to get for the coming holidays, what about some other cool gift ideas, guys? Yes. I know Colin, you had the severed head of your enemies. Yes, very much. Yeah, or like maybe a box full of rupees. That'd be cool. If you're going to give me anything for Christmas, guys, I want rupees in U.S. conversion. That's money. If you have three siblings and you, they all have three DS's, you can get them a copy of Triforce Heroes and all three of them play it on the same system. Because. That'd be awesome. What if they share a 3DS though, Adam? Well, then you get them two 3DS's and a copy of Triforce Heroes because they need a copy of Triforce Heroes in their lives. They do need a copy of Triforce Heroes. What other Zelda games would you guys recommend for the holidays? As good holiday gifts as other Zelda? If you could give anyone a gift of a Zelda game, which game would it be? Link Between Worlds or Triforce Heroes. Okay. Oh, that's a good question. I know what I would give people. This would be a great Super Santa thing too. I'd give them amazing, unopened copies of the Zelda CD-i games. You could totally send those my way. Were they bad kids? I wouldn't mind having all of them. Oh, you'll get coal this year. Or the equivalent, which is... That's if the C stands for in CD-i, coal. What's the D in the I stand for? Geez. Deposit entertainment.  Deposit entertainment. Okay. Fun fact, they're actually on a CD-i plus a copy of Link to the Faces of Evil. And it's just as terrible as you think it is. You know, to be honest, those games aren't bad, just bad Zelda games. No, they're bad games. They're just bad games, dude. They're pretty terrible. They're pretty terrible. Maybe I'm just speaking out of my butt. Yes, you are. That's right. Now, Colin. My friend, Colin Duam. You mentioned to me about an awesome non-Zelda-related gift that would be perfect for the holiday season. Yeah. Well, what is that gift? All right, so as we all, you may or may not know, I love playing the video games on... You love the video games? Yes.  You have video game gills. I love the video games and I love playing video games on my PC. I've been, you know, playing... But are you a PC elitist? That's a real question. Yeah, probably. I've been... Oh, geez.  PC Master Race, man. I'm more of a... I'm more of a well-rounded kind of gal. I'm actually more like a tarry jaguar Master Race, you know, just throwing it out there. Okay, cool. I can deal with tarry. But Valve recently released all their, you know, Steam Machines and all that crazy stuff. Basically Valve has been trying to make a living room PC or at least move PC gaming into the living room to kind of show off the fact that gaming on a PC is now much better than it's ever been. The parts are cheap. You can...  Games are cheap. It's convenient. Yeah, and it's just as easy to get into as getting a brand new video game console. Because there's all these deals going on almost all the time. Yeah. So they've been advertising these 300, 400, 500-dollar PCs. Some $200 off. Yeah. And to most people who already own a gaming PC, the Steam Machines don't look that attractive because they're basically, Valve is basically saying, like, oh, well, if you want to enjoy this console-styled PC gaming in your living room, you basically have to buy a second computer that won't run any of the games that your tower can run because it runs on different software, lower-end hardware, all that stuff. So they decided to release a little box called the Steam Link. It is $50, and what it basically does is it outputs the video signal of your PC and using the wonders of a wired ethernet internet in your house. It just kind of streams the video to your TV. And you just hook up a controller to it, and there you go. Now let me ask you something. Yes? Does it work better than the PlayStation TV? Absolutely. Okay, good. It absolutely does. It means I had problems. Remote play. PS4 remote play is terrible, and it still is. If you want to do it on Wi-Fi, you need to have- I went and bought a PS TV, and I had an experience. I still have it because I'm going to make it work. I'm going to make this work. Good luck. It's a relationship I want to have, but I'm very interested in getting a Steam TV link. I don't know what it is. The Xbox has done it great with Windows 10 streaming. The Steam Link does it almost perfectly with just how it works. You just literally type a code into this Steam client on your desktop, and you're- Here's a question about it. Yes? You know how when you stream from your Xbox to your PC, I think it lowers the quality to what, 720? Depends on what quality settings you have it set on. On the PC? Okay, so you can have the same quality settings on your PC and- It's 1080, 60 on Steam Link. That's not bad. That's awesome. That's actually pretty normal. That's pretty great. Oh, it's great. And then you have remote play, which if you try doing it over Wi-Fi, it's not going to work, because Wi-Fi hates streaming video.  I had the PS TV set up through Ethernet to my PS4, which is also plugged in through Ethernet, and it just- To be honest, I had no idea my PS4 even had an Ethernet cable to connect to. Oh my God.  Remote play is just awful. But Steam Link works fantastically. And even cooler, this is something I learned and it made me really excited. The way the Steam Link works is that whatever controller you plugged in, it just says it's an Xbox controller, because most games are compatible with the Xbox controller. So you can even put like a PlayStation controller and that'll work? So what you can do is you can either have a wired 360 controller, a wired Xbox One controller, a wired DualShock 3, a wired, or you can connect through Bluetooth, the DualShock 4. I feel like your grabbing on your controllers has you as you say these things. Nope. And my favorite is the one I actually go to, the Wii U Pro controller also works wirelessly. That's awesome. You just sync it up, you just hold the sync button and it works. That's fantastic actually. It's great. Even, you know how the buttons are switched on the face? X and Y and A and B are switched? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Steam Link actually accommodates to that. Oh, you can assign which buttons are which? Well, you can do that, but it actually recognizes that A and B and X and Y are switched. Oh, okay. So when you're in the menu and it says press A to enter, when you press A, it still does that. It doesn't act as if you're pressing B. Oh, okay. I can see how that could be very confusing, but that's also how they accommodate for all this stuff. Yeah. So you would say that that could be a great present for any video gamers. Well, video gamer that has PC goodness games on there. I'd even recommend the PSTV because even as I just like said, I recommend it to me. It works for all my downloads and everything. I just wish I could shoot my PS4 games to it. The remote play is terrible, but I mean, it has a great library of Indies and PSP games and PS1 games. Yeah, because I didn't want to have to go and download a PS, I didn't want to have to go buy a PS Vita, to be honest. And Best Buy has them right now on sale for 20 bucks, so. Yeah, well, I bought mine for 30, but 20 is not bad either. I don't think anyone wants to buy a PS Vita, to be honest. No one does. I wanted one too. At the moment, just buying PS Vita doesn't seem the right thing, but buying PSV sounds more logical. What are you, Adam? I just want to buy a Sony TV because Sony TVs are amazing. I have a Sony TV. Oh, a national Sony TV. If I could ever just like stick to Sony TVs, I don't know if they're still making them anymore, but I would do that in a heartbeat. What if I told you my PlayStation 3 and my PlayStation 4 are both connected to a Sony TV? Good man. That's what I call brand accommodation. I'd be inclined to agree with Colin. There's a lot of really good stuff on Steam that you can play and a lot of stuff you can get in multi-packs. Like, there's a bunch of games that I know come specifically in packs of four. The ship literally gives you thousands of copies because it keeps giving you an extra copy to give someone else if you've bought one copy. I think, Adam, I feel like you've done this for me. And Colin, you just did it for me today. I have way too many copies of the ship. Please take them for me. I don't love them. I love the ship. And they never stop coming.  You should just keep posting them on Twitter. I'll give them out.  So I actually got it last month, but I really was able to test it out over the weekend. And there's a few games I really want to recommend to people that either they're either picking up a Steam link or they actually do have a living room PC. Duck Game is great. Duck Game is fantastic. Duck Game is amazing. It's a, how would you describe it? It carries. It's an arena shooter that features ducks. Yeah, it's a platforming arena. Shooter. Brawl tournament shooter. I also want to recommend Lethal League, which is like a baseball fighting game. Oh, dude, that's an awesome game. It's great. Sonic and All Stars Racing transformed because you can put a screen on it and it's great. Jackbox Party Pack 2. Jackbox Party Pack 2 is fantastic. And Guns Gore and Canole, which is a side-scrolling, metal-slug, contra-esque, four-player co-op game. And it's a... That's a mouthful of games. It is, but it's really good. I don't doubt you for a second. In fact... In fact, it's coming to the PS4 this week. I feel like this is a good... I think we should have a weekly thing where Colin gives us a recommendation of a week of a video game. I think we do that anyway.  I think we all know everything. I think we do that anyway. I don't think we do. Yeah, I feel like we do do that anyway. Yeah, but I'm just really great. So, Guns Gore and Canole, check it out. You look great. Yeah. So, we got a few fan topics here, guys. Yes, we do. So, I'm going to start with one right up here. I think this one relates to the topic we've had the last two weeks, but I felt that it was important to talk about it. This one comes from our lovely guest, Damon J, aka Link Pizza. So, Damon J asks, how you guys feel about the characters being put in Smash or Wii U? I'm all for new characters, but it seems like they're really getting characters from just anywhere now. I didn't get a couple of characters like Pac-Man, Mega Man, and Sonic. Even Snake was weird, but it was like a bonus. Now it seems like they moved away from even trying to add Nintendo characters. Just want to know your thoughts on it. Thanks. No problem, Damon J. That is a great question. And it's interesting that you, well, he asked how we feel about the characters being put in Smash. That was the first thing I said. Yeah. It's interesting what he asked about like the whole Pac-Man, Mega Man, like Sonic and thing, because we all know that, so Bandai and M. Co. helped develop this last Smash Bros, which explains why Pac-Man would be in the game. Capcom and Nintendo is sort of like a coming thing, because they're not going to do anything with Mega Man. Nintendo is all for using him. Snake had his game, Snake Eater was on the 3DS. Sonic games have been on the Wii U and all that stuff in 3DS and I think the DS for a while now. It was more just the celebration of video games. Yeah. Smash Bros. used to be trying to do, especially older games. I mean, if you look at just the lineup for this year's roster, I mean, this game's roster, you have Duck Hunt Dog, Pac-Man, Mega Man, Mario, Dr. Mario. You have a lot of older characters, even... Not to mention, they advertise it with like the years some of these characters came out. The All-Star mode is based on years, which is, this game is about appreciating the classic. It's about, you know... I mean... One, the looking backs. So, it makes sense to have characters like Cloud, it makes sense to have characters like Sonic. These are characters that inspired people. These are characters that people were up with. And not to mention, this is a thought, would you rather have Cloud in a game like PlayStation All-Stars? A game you probably should be in, but a game that sucks versus Smash Bros, which is one of the best fighting games out there. When they did this in Brawl, they were kind of bonus characters.  Wanted him since May-Lai. Child was like, hey, wouldn't it be great if like Snake was in May-Lai?  But it seems like with this one, they've decided to... The theme with this Smash Bros has been like, great characters that are representing all sorts of different periods in gaming and, you know, all sorts of... And it makes sense to then have Pac-Man and Mario and Mega Man and Duck on Dog. They really do have all their bases covered almost. Yeah. It's become... They took the fighting icon for you and put him in a fighting game. I love it. Because guaranteed, like, if they had just stuck to Nintendo characters, they were just announcing Nintendo characters left and right, we'd be so bored of it. Yeah, because we had no expect... And we know that the Smash Ballot is going to be a Nintendo character, which if it's not, I'd be surprised. No, to be honest, like, them throwing Cloud at us, now that I think about it, it's sort of a better thing. They threw us like the oddball of all oddballs. Yeah, no one was expecting Cloud. Yeah. And it's honestly... I know I said before about like, you know, we had to worry about like, oh, another fighter type of thing. But honestly, like, I'm over that now. I hate that the idea that someone being a swordfighter automatically makes them the same as everyone else. Because that's like saying everyone who punches is the same or everyone that uses magic is the same. You're just generalizing. To be honest, I want all the characters in this game. I want every character in the world in this game. Yeah, I'm excited for Cloud. I didn't vote from the Smash Ballot, but it's awesome. Like, I felt like we were watching that. Honestly, I don't think anyone voted for him. Like, thinking about it, Cloud is like... He was so in such an impossible choice that nobody even thought of him, I'm sure. Yeah, I don't... Very few people even considered writing men. Who knows? Who... What if actually he had like the highest votes in the Smash Ballot and we just don't even know? Because we don't even know the results. Well, the ballot... I doubt that passed... The ballot was still going while they were developing Cloud. So, it doesn't even matter if he was the highest votes, they were developing him regardless and they were going to play in the game. We don't even know who made it from the... or who's making it from the ballot because they still had to go through those results and then plan what characters are going to be coming through. The ballot which had ended in October 5th, by the way, for anyone that didn't know. Yeah, that's only a month ago. Yeah. So, I doubt that it was Cloud that was getting the most votes. Or even if it was, I doubt it would affect their decision at all. Alright, so like, would you guys agree that like, if this game were strictly like just Nintendo characters, it would be a little more boring, a little more bland? I think it is fine. It just... I think that by adding non-Nintendo characters, I think that it adds a certain charm to it and it does really reach out to people.  I know so many people who have made friends through the Smash Bros. community. I know so many people who have made friends over Melee over Brawl over Smash 4. It's honestly welcomed with open arms. I love the idea of adding all... All they need to do is add Banjo and Kazooine. They have a character from every platform. No, he's not worth it. Don't put him in the game. No, just listen. Because then we have... we even have like the Microsoft... I don't care about the bear. Listen, buddy. Careless. Listen. Yeah, I don't know. I just... Honestly, would you honestly be opposed if they were like, we're going to put the Contra guys in, kind of like Ice Climbers, but the two guys from Contra or Metal Slur. Don't worry. Yeah, right? It would be cool. Everyone would be hyped. I feel like they would be. Because they were just... What if they put E.T. from the E.T. game? That would be silly. And why? Well, you want to put in all the characters in the game. I'm just saying. I'm just saying it'd be silly to waste the time. I'm just thinking the... No, you're right. If you put the Contra characters in, they would be super overpowered because they both have heavy artillery weapons, like machine gun, pistol, that sort of... I mean, so does Mega Man. They would just make his shots weak. Maybe. I don't know. I feel like the Contra dudes' shots would be more like the little max punches where they just kind of... They just have the different... They're rapid, but they don't really do much damage unless you're right on it. Oh, and their final smash is a roulette wheel of the different power-ups that you can get in the game. But it's never the good ones. Like, Butter's power attack in Stick of Truth. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love that. I love that game. I finished it, by the way. I don't know if I mentioned that last week, but I finished the whole thing. And it was a wild ride. It felt like it kept going on and on. Like, it felt like I was done with the story and then more stories happened. And it just got more and more ridiculous until it finally got all the way to Zombie Hitler. And I'm like, this is where it has to be. This is where it has to end. At Zombie Hitler. It was amazing. Oh, geez. That's great. Well, we have another fan topic I wanted to discuss. And by the way, if you have anything you want to submit to the podcast, like Banner Arts, Theme Songs, or a nice fan question, you can email us at ZeldaInformerPodcast at gmail.com. That's ZeldaInformerPodcast at gmail.com. Our next question comes from Aaron Troy from Ithaca, New York, who's also attending the University, the Cornell University, I believe that's what it is. You're smarty pants. What are you doing messaging us? You should be building science stuff. Building science stuff. Chris, 2015. Thank you, Adam. You're welcome. So Aaron Troy says, ever since Majora's mask appeared on the wall of Raviostore and the link between worlds, I've wondered what happened to Majora and the other timelines. Gannis Costume and Wind Waker had Majora eyes on the back, meaning that the mask is referenced in all three timelines. Any theories as to what happened and if not, maybe what makes them up, make some fun stories to explain where Majora will play into the adult and defeat timelines. Thanks for everything. Well, the main thing I was gonna say is in Majora's mask at the very end, it actually loses its powers of like chaos and everything like a model as it becomes a mask. So I was thinking the reason it shows up in a link between worlds is because it's got no power and it's just sort of a decoration at this point. You think he just sold it? The heavy mask smells like he just sold it? Yeah. Some guy for like 20 rupees? Yeah, and it's sort of like they take it out on Halloween and sort of do parties with it. It sounds silly, it sounds obvious. It sounds like something that the mask salesman would do. I don't know, I feel like he would kind of hold that mask a little closer even just because he knows that the mask had danger and he doesn't want to fall in. He doesn't want the mask himself to fall into another piece of danger. It's not a bad idea. When you think about it though, what if it's like the mask might have lost its power but what if the power is still roaming around in the Zelda universe as a whole? What if it's made its ways into, like you said, the back of Ganon? And all you see is just like the eyes just representing like the evilness. Like it's dawned on Ganon now. I mean, it's not spoken obviously. Remember, these are just theories. Just a theory, a Zelda theory. Okay, so just things like that. I like the idea though, is just that the mask of him just kind of sold it some guy and carries. Yeah, take it. I don't need it. I like the idea that there is some kind of relation between LinkedIn World's Link and previous links. Maybe that the mask has played in to that universe in like a unspoken sort of side story. Maybe like instead of losing his horse and everything to Skull Kid, that reincarnation or that ancestor of Fat Games Link actually ended up not getting tricked by the kid with the mask and ended up beating him rather quickly. And so it just kind of became like a family heirloom, which is why it's on his wall since the beginning of the game. I don't know. I think it's interesting to think of it as something that's just, they have no idea what the significance of it was in other timelines. Sort of the, and I think that, I'm sorry? Sort of like the green tunic in Wind Waker. It's sort of that sort of, they have no idea what it represents, but they use it for when it becomes a base. Right, it's just something that's traditional. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that with again in the adult timeline, it's very simple where it could just have been during the massive flooding, it got washed up in the flood. I doubt Skull Kid was able to get out of that situation. And again, being at the bottom of the ocean, because that's what he do. That's what he do. He just happened to stumble across the design at one point and decided he was very impressed by it to some degree. He is one of those people that's very, especially in that game, he's very thoughtful, he's very, he reflects a lot, which is why he's such an interesting character in Wind Waker. So maybe to him the mask represented that sort of lost potential that was Hyrule. Yeah. Because maybe he did know about its power. I mean, he was the king of evil to an extent. So he perhaps knew about the Midora's Mask, which begs the question, what if again in Ocarina of Time was trying to find Midora's Mask at some point in order to gain its powers? That's an interesting theory. I like the idea that he would do that. Moving on, we have a couple of different little bits and pieces of gaming articles this week brought to you by thezelmanformer.com website. Just go to thezelmanformer.com. And one of the stories this week, it's another birthday actually, is that Ocarina of Time turned 17 today. That guy can go watch Rated-R movies. And you can pretend to be edgy because that's what teenagers do. Exactly. Now, not only he can pretend to be edgy, but I know Adam, I think you're pretending to be a friend. Well, he can actually be edgy because the polygons are terrible, but that's besides the point. Did you play the 3DS version? Yeah, but I thought we were talking about the one that was actually turning 17. Well, yeah, the original was turning 17. Sir, that is correct. Have you seen Mike's nose in that game? Yeah. I think it's pointy as hell. It looks nose-like. It is not that point. I don't know whose nose is. I mean, I don't want to go there, but you've seen some pretty pointy noses haven't you? Yes. Hi, I'm a Jew. We have established this over the past year and a half. You know, you didn't have to say it. I was hoping you wouldn't say it. I was unsure how to respond. Jesus, that is so racist. Chris, God. No, it's not. Adam's my friend. I love him. Adam's baby. So I want to say happy birthday to Ocarina of Time, one of my very first Zelda game ever. I know Adam, I don't think that was your first Zelda game. Your first Zelda game was a link to the past, right? Yeah, I think so. Oh, same, Adam. High five, best friend. Yeah. Well, Luke, which one do you like better? A link to the past. Geez, Colin. What? Which one do you like better? Oh, between what? Ocarina of Time and the link to the past. Link to the past. Wow, I am like, I am with no one here today. This is the day that I'm rude. You actually, you all rude today. Like, I can't believe I'm the only one here right now. What do you get for hosting Ocarina of Time? I guess, yeah, this is kind of what happens to the host of the show.  Put on the spot. I'm going to justify my point with a link to the past because I have been asked about it before. And the main reasoning is I only played Ocarina of Time reasonably recently, whereas a link to the past, I played like 50 times. Like, that game is the game I go back to when I'm upset or having a bad day. Like, that game is just like... For me, it's the exact opposite. Like, I own, I just recently purchased Link to the Past for like my Wii, like, online store thing. Yeah. E-Shop. E-Shop, geez. You see that same, not even memorable. Come on, Nintendo. What is this? What's the name of the new service? It's not Nintendo account. That's all we thought it was going to be. It doesn't have a name. Yet? It's, I think it's just called Club of Nintendo for now, but it's something like that. New Nintendo Club for the 3DS and so... And Wii U Amiibo Bundle pre-order now at GameStop. Power to the players. Luke, you were saying?  It's just like that one game that really cheers me up and everything like that. Like, it's just the game that I really love, I guess. It's in your soul. Yeah, it's like, it was the first game I played aside from Tetris. And it was actually given to me by my grandmother, which I only recently passed away. So I'm actually playing through it again, just sort of as a memory of her sort of thing. Like, that's just sort of the way I do that sort of thing. But yeah, it's like that, just that one game that I can go, that has a lot of importance to me and all that sort of thing. Because it's really what actually got me into gaming in the first place, aside from like Tetris, which is interesting, which is more or less just a foreign game now.  You know, so Zelenformer has a website. They did a survey, they do a survey every year about like just general, they asked general questions about like, you know, the viewers of the website too, like asking them like, what's this instance, what was the first Zelda game they played? And out of everyone that did the survey, 39% of people said Ocarina of Time, the original was the first Zelda game they played. And a Link to the Past had a 14%. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah, I figured it makes sense, because I guess it's a lot older people start with Link to the Past. And the sites demographic, I believe, is a little younger than what age I have no idea. A little younger than, I wanna say, they're between 13, 17, maybe. Actually, I'm wrong. The age part, like the majority age part is they use the websites between 18 and 24. So 49%, 13, 17 is 24%. I don't know, I just find that really interesting that these are like the two biggest games that, you know, people say, as like what really got them into the series. It's like the never ending battle between them. I don't believe Ocarina of Time is like the best Zelda game, by far I don't. It's really good. It's not a bad one. I think for myself it's really good. However, Mordor's Mask is my favorite one. I think that's the best one. Feel free to disagree with me in the comments down below or whatever you want, because I know that's not my- Are you disagreeing with me right here? Yeah, just agree with me right here if you want guys.   Yeah, tell me how great of a host I am this week. Don't do that. But it, anyways. So that's what's happening in the Zelda universe. Let's go back to one of my favorite universes right now. This is coming to you live from the wasteland that is Fallout 4, everybody. Now, in this call right now, I believe what Colin, you played this game, correct? Yeah. Luke, have you played it? I have got 98% logged on it. Oh my God. And Adam, I guess you don't own the game, do you? I do not, but I've played it. Oh, you want to go on and play it when you're here? Yes, always. Yes, that would be nice. You'll never get me off that thing. Probably not. So the Fallout 4 is receiving their first patch as of who knows when. Actually, I don't think they released an actual date for it, but they even announced patch is coming. It's actually available for PC users who opted for a beta type of thing. It says who or a part of beta updates.  And so pretty much what that is, is that any parts of the game where you've been playing and you notice like slight glitches with like all the textures and things around you that pretty much fixes all that, which I don't know, I think I posted this on Twitter, I've experienced that a few times. A little game breaking when you open a door and then you find that the room is zoomed in on a toolbox there. And I'm like, what the hell's going on? And then I have to close me open door. And it's really funny. Another end, I was walking down a hall in a building and then I look up and a roof panel is gone. And then it shows a screenshot of me from like 20 minutes ago in the game.  It's just like, you made the wrong choice, boy. Exactly. Go back and change it, boy. These are normal Bethesda issues and stuff like that.  You like these bug fixes. And so I really appreciate that they do that. Game has, I know a lot of other people have experienced like other different like messes in this game and you know, they're going to be fixed.  Same thing with like dog meat exploits. Do those now before they are gone, I guess if you want. Just a little tidbit of information for all you wastelanders out there. There you go. This is a, this has been three dog and I'll catch you guys next time. Three dogs in the game. What do you guys think? Have you guys heard the Diamond City new like radio guy? Oh yeah, I have not. I have not. Didn't we mention this? Yes, we did. Yeah, we mentioned this before. We mentioned this earlier. He sounds like Justin Rowland from Rick and, you know. Yeah, he's very insecure. Well, he's insecure and up until you do a quest with him. And then he- It's called Two Brothers. He's a great guy. I don't know. When I first went I was like, is this really the guy that chose? Yeah, I was just kind of like, who's this goober? And then I went, oh. I don't know. I thought it was funny. Yeah, that's great. But that's some good stuff. Any things going on? Any other recommendations in games and stuff that you guys or any cool pieces of news and stuff this week do you guys want to mention? Verdun? I think. Yeah, me and Colin are playing Verdun. By the way, if you guys are interested, me and Colin just kind of started to do more streams. We're actually going to probably be streaming after this. So if you guys are checking out on Twitter, maybe you're there. Maybe you saw us. Maybe you were with us. If you're spending a good time with me and Colin. It's a good time. It's good stuff. I remember we were playing a few different games, a few different rounds, I should say. And we had some pretty interesting moments. It's funny because Verdun is one of those games where you do either really well or horribly. You never do in the middle. You do like amazing. You get like five kills in a row. You get nothing. So it sounds like a lot of shooters to me, though. No, it's different because it's not really about the shooting.  Have you heard about this new thing called Verdun? It's terrible. No, what does that do, Hickey? It's the hottest thing since the war. Right now, you and your family can play a World War I scenario. Fight on the Western front, along with all your friends. Billy, the Hatchet Master, and Jake, the Sniper Rifle Master. And defeat them, the Germans, or the French, depending on which side you choose. All right, so I'm going to ask now and install it for your computer Maduki because we don't have those yet. So that's what I'm calling them. I don't think computer Madukis existed back then. It's a shooter in the vein of the older Battlefield titles, like in .42, and it also takes inspiration from newer Battlefield games. It has a whole real gimmick is the squad system.  And it also takes a little inspiration from other shooters, mainly big World War II shooters like Red or Prista. And it's pretty much everything you'd want out of a World War I shooter. It's interestingly enough, the only World War I first-person shooter ever. Yeah, I was going to say World War I isn't really... Everyone's usually, it's out of World War II or like... Because World War I was more about trench warfare than anything else. Yeah, so it's hard to catch that in a game setting. But this game does a fantastic job of it. I mean, aside from maybe a few strategy games, other than that, like World War I is just a setting that is non-existent in video games. I mean, we only got this game. It's been in early access for a few years, but it was just released this year.  But Valiant Hearts is a little different. I'm saying it's still a World War I game. Yeah, OK. And I guess Wings would also count. There's a game called Wings. It's all about fighter jets in World War I. But other than that, there's not really many World War I games. Historically, World War I didn't use much airplanes. You know, when you think about airplanes, they certainly... No, but it sure did make for a great movie. So... No, I'm not going to say you're wrong. OK, so I'm just sort of tripping out of it because I'm just reading Dave announced that there will be more bio-shock games and bio-shock is... Yeah, they're going to make it amazing. A permanent franchise. Yes, which is kind of weird because it's kind of concerning. I'm so sorry. Well, the real question is who's making them. Right. That's the... That's really what it boils down to. It's going to be Ubisoft. Ubisoft's taking the lead on that one. What? Ew. I'm joking. Just like the worst idea I could think of. All right, cancel the podcast. We got to go. We got to shove a Ubisoft protest. We do? Oh. Ubisoft has their hands full with things that they sort of make good and sort of make bad sometimes. Assassin's Creed. No, I didn't play this latest Assassin's Creed. I heard there wasn't much wrong with it. But you know, after Unity, anything can happen. I played the latest one. Anything can really happen. Friends house and I had quite a few problems with it. Just... You did? Like what kind of problems? I don't know the details there. Well, the first thing is I'm a big fan of finding as many glitches as possible in a short amount of time as possible and I managed to find five in like two seconds. Like, it's very buggy. Even like now after a month or two of release, this is on the PlayStation 4. So that's kind of still, you know, not really good enough. And also the story is a bit, eh, like, I loved Assassin's Creed 4 with the boat mechanics. I hated the story. Love the boat mechanics so much. Sorry it wasn't that bad in Assassin's Creed 4. I thought it was great. Pirates? What do you mean? Yeah, it was kind of eh. Ed Thatch, you gotta see him how he turns to Blackbeard. You gotta see, I guess, spoiler for that one. The game's been out for years. Come on. But I don't know, I just, I didn't enjoy the story that much. And they keep on going to the random future pleb. And I hate the random future pleb so much. Yeah, that's one part of Assassin's Creed that I never liked either. Yeah, it's just like... Desmond Miles, after Desmond Miles, it's like, why?  Yeah, I didn't really, I didn't like Desmond either, to be honest. Assassin's Creed is more about the history aspect for me. Yeah, like, every time... I mean, I didn't care much for him, but I did care about him as like, protagonist. I mean, it was kind of, it kind of sucked when he went foot, in a sense, because it kind of like, that kind of lost the connection I had to the world as a result.  They got rid of Desmond, and then they just like gave up on the franchise itself. No, because 4 didn't have Desmond, it had the random future play. No, yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying there, Cap. Oh, yeah. Okay, well, I still just, I don't like it when they go into the future, I just feel like they should have done that sort of old aspect, where you're an assassin in Rome, or wherever you're in that week. They should have like, not made 20 of these games. That would just be, that would also be great, like... Well, you'd actually be surprised to hear that the original Assassin's Creed actually didn't get all that great reviews, like... No, because it's not a very good game. Yeah, no, to be honest, I was always hoping that they would branch off away from like the Italy story and like, oh, Ezio, like, Ezio was great. But I mean, I wanted so much more from the series. Well, yeah, because they milked that into the ground. Yeah. And they were just like, we'll just milk everything. Like, I like the setting of three a lot. I know three is probably one of the worst. Everyone, I actually, I want to say Unity is the worst, right? Everyone hates Unity now. Unity after the second harvest. Well, at least you could play Assassin's Creed 3 with Unity. You were like, oh, I think my title's broken. I will never forget the one bug I had in Assassin's Creed 3 that I noticed. I'm like in the middle of walking through one of the, like, I guess I'm on the Boston Harbor, like in New York Harbor. And like, I watch a carriage like go by and like, as I have a conversation with the person next to me while playing the game, I look back to the screen, and I see the carriage flip over, do a 360. And like, just it's going like through the ground and upside down and just walking across the screen, like, beautiful. That's great. There's a really hard glitch with Assassin's Creed 3 where you put the game into the console and then you realize you're playing Assassin's Creed 3. Oh, God, sounds horrible. The guy's like driving the carriage and he's just like, Protricks, MOG Pro. Just starts doing it for the first time. Yeah. Honestly, I want to say my favorite of that series is between Assassin's Creed 4 and Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. Let's talk about Sony. Let's talk about Sony. We got a couple things to mention about Sony. We do need to talk about that. So they announced or they didn't even announce they were talking to like a public company that does the gaming news and they said, yeah, we're going to do a quote unquote backwards compatibility with PlayStation 2. Now, Colin, explain this. Here's the thing. Explain why that isn't the right way. Here's the thing. Everyone's seeing this new... Okay, so PS2 is a console that's 15 years old now. Happy birthday, PS2. You still got like a month to wait on that one. Happy not birthday, PS2. Almost 15 years old. It is a system that has been out for so long that so many things have come and gone within the gaming time span. And one of the issues with backwards compatibility, aside from the fact that these systems are not actually backwards compatible, is licensing. And that is the reason why, even though Microsoft has like a big new fancy, 360 backwards compatible emulator on the Xbox One, you still have to wait for certain games to actually be available for you to play. Because the company has to give the okay on that. And this has been a problem with the PS2 ever since the PS3, when they dropped backwards compatibility and they just said, oh, we're going to release them on the PSN store. So if you really like... Now, I would love... The way everyone's making this news out, because recently, recently the reason why all this news happened was because the latest Star Wars bundle for the PS4 actually comes with some Star Wars PlayStation 2 games that have been emulated on the PS4. And the issue with this is that just like the PS3, they're going to be really selective about what games will be available. And you will preferably have to go on to PlayStation Network and buy them and download them, just like you do on the PS3. I really don't think a lot of people are making it out to be as if it's going to be like the Xbox where you put a disk in and it'll play it, but I don't think it's going to be the case. They haven't confirmed or denied it, but like just based on what they've done in the past with the whole classic system, like it's probably going to be the same exact thing. It's just going to have a little, maybe a bigger library of PlayStation 2 games. I'm just really hoping they bring back Silent Hill 2 and Ratchet and Clank, because those games are the absolute bomb. I mean, like if that ends up being the case, which it would be weird for Sony to do anyway, because it's like, oh, now the PS4 can play PS2 games, not one or three, but just two. Which is weird because it would be better if they could do three, because three ones runs on the same thing as one. They have the same chipset, so then you could do two birds with one stone. But except that the PS3 uses the cell, which is a whole. Well, there was a reason why some PS3s could play PS1 games, but not PS2. No, all of the PS3 games could play PS1 games. Yeah, all PS3 systems. Because the PS1 was a tiny enough chip that you can shove onto anything and nothing matters. That's why the PSP can play PS1 games. That's why the Vita can play PS1 games. Regardless, I feel like it would have been better for them to do it that way, rather than do it in the way that it is just the PS2. Not saying the PS2 is irrelevant, but I mean, I feel like people will want PS3 more rather because that's where they got most of their HD collections that were on PS3. That's where they got all their other things. Impossible thanks to the cell processor.  I love my PS3 and my PS4 so much. I just want to be able to play. I want them all in one system. As I'm saying, as I was saying, nothing's like confirmed or set in stone. If the PS4 backwards, if the quote-unquote backwards compatibility works just like the Xbox 360 where you can just take any old PS2 game, shove in the disc, and relax. Then their membership program is new. It's moot. Huge. Isn't PSX like next year, or not next year like next month, and they're coming soon. So they're probably gonna make announcements then. Maybe. I mean, if it works like that, where you just put the disc in and reads it, and great, I'd love to play Outrun on my PS4 at 1080p 60 frames. Amazing. Fantastic. Same with Black and, I don't know, Persona 4, Tony Hawk's Underground. Really great stuff. Hey, it's not gonna be like that. Yeah. As it looks right now, it probably won't because even Sony hasn't been keeping up with releasing all their old games on PSN. Yeah. Actually, I don't even feel like PSX is the only way. Still can't play Crash Bandicoot on a Vita. Thanks, Sony. Do you mind if I change topics a little bit? Sure, what do you wanna talk about? Well, we're still on the topic of Sony. Loveborne, one of my favorite games of this year, has released the first expansion, The Old Hunters. Today. Have you played it? Great. Well, it came out today. I mean, how could I? My internet's like a caterpillar. It goes very, very slowly.  And it comes out in like the 27th, I believe. And the cover art, it looks awesome. I don't mind buying the game just for the cover art. I'm just buying, so I get the whole bundle there, and get the cool physical copy, instead of doing all that digital stuff, because I'm a man of physical things. All right. Well, I mean, Bloodborne is just absolutely just so good. Like, they did what they did with Dark Souls, and I love Dark Souls, but they changed up the formula enough to make it its own game. Like, they made it so much more fast paced than everything. I'm trying to think of another company that makes like, it's sort of like, you know how Bethesda they'll do Fallout, and they'll do Skyrim, or Elder Scrolls, right? So it's sort of like that type of stuff, right? Like, it'll change it just ever so slightly, but like, they'll make it work. Awesome. Well, all right, gentlemen, I wanna thank you all for joining me on this week's podcast. You're the greatest host ever, Chris. And that's been mistaken with the other greatest host ever, Adam. Hello. Uh, so like I said, I wanna thank all you guys for joining me this week. Thank the fans. Remember, if you guys have anything you want to submit to the podcast, just email zeldinformerpodcast.com. Once again, that's zeldinformerpodcast.com. Follow us all on Twitter, that's Chris, that's Adam, Colin, and Luke. You can find all the awesome links and things we talked about in the link dump down below. Thank you, and enjoy this awesome outro theme song by Gish. It is the Hero of Time remix. Thanks guys, and we'll catch you next week. Bye. Bye. Enjoy your Thanksgiving. Eat food. Hey. Hi, Cole. We're at Timothy Frog here for Zeldinformer. You know, what are you doing? Watch out. What time is it? It's, it's some time. I don't know. I've been running, I ran down here from New York. So it could be a couple days. I- How did you get here? I ran. Dude, it's Thanksgiving. Let me go to- Just like the country, I ran. Dude, it's Thanksgiving morning. Can I just go to bed? Are you sure about that? Yeah, Cole. What? Fuck. Is it about the episode? You know what? You're, you're about to be real thankful for the next two and a half years. Why? What is, what am I any thankful about? You, I, I, I brought my book. I brought my greatest American, best American mystery stories of the 19th century. You mean that old racist book you found? Yes, that, that old, I, I mean, it said the N word once, but I don't know if I'd say the whole thing is racist. You might as well, since you're here. You're not even gonna say hello to me? I ran all the way from New York. And you're not even gonna- I'm, I'm not even sure I'm awake right now. You are awake. Slap me. There. Ow! Pick a, pick a number, one through 20. Well, uh, seven. All right. The fatal secret by Daniel Webster in the year 1850. Can you run a dictionary?  Deep sleep had fallen on the destined victim and on all beneath his roof, a healthful old man to whom sleep was sweet, the first sound slumbers of the night held him in their soft, but strong embrace. The assassin enters through the window, already prepared into an- Just one sentence. No, I'm just bad at reading. Okay, keep going then. The assassin enters through, there is a lot of long sentences though. So it may sound just sound like one big sentence with 30 commas. I'm gonna make coffee, don't mind me. Here's a sprite. Oh, okay, thanks man. I brought a lot of sprite. The assassin enters. Did he pee in this? I started reading the sentence about three times now. Or he just entered. Through the window, already prepared.  Through the window, already prepared into an unoccupied apartment. With noiseless foot, he paces the lonely hall, half lighted by the moon, semi-colon. He winds up to the ascent of the stairs and reaches the door of the chamber. Of this, he moves the lock by soft and continued pressure till it turns on its hinges without noise. This is a really long sentence. And he enters and beholds his victim before him. This story, by the way, is only two pages long. You could have chosen a shorter story. This hasn't even been a page yet. No, this is like the first paragraph.  The room is uncommonly open to the admission of light. The face of the innocent sleeper is turned from the murderer and the beams of the moon resting on the gray locks of his age temple show him where to strike. This whole paragraph is one long sentence. Next paragraph. The fatal blow is given exclamation point. And he wrote an exclamation point and then wrote and then started a new sentence with And. And And is not even capitalized.  But also you're supposed to put it with a capital. Yeah, what a dingle, what an 1850, more like Civil War got him and the victim passes without a struggle or emotion from the repose of, is it repose or repose? Repose. I'm pretty sure repose, yeah. I've never read that word before in my life. Cut this part out. From the repose of sleep to the repose of death, he said it twice. It is the new paragraph. It is the assassin's purpose to make sure work semicolon and yet he applies the dagger, though it is obvious that life has been destroyed by the blow of the bludgeon. That's some repetition. Didn't he stab him? Wasn't a bludgeon. The blow of the bludgeon. That would imply he's like a blunt weapon. He didn't say anything about a knife or a stabbing. I thought it said he stabbed him. I think you're just, no. Oh man, I'm just confused. Cause like I was like here when we were like, he was picking a lock for like eight weeks and then he saw the guy and then he was just dead. I mean, those semicolons are pretty sharp. That's right. He even raises the aged arm that he may not fail in his aim at the heart and replaces it over the wounds of the panya. Wait, is an old guy killing another guy or is it just a guy killing an old guy? Cause if you're assassinating an old guy, that just seems like a waste of time.  To finish the picture, he explores the risks of the pulse. Not content with just stabbing him. He has to make sure he's dead. He feels for it in a certain that it beats no longer. It is accomplished. The deed is done. He retreats, he retreats, retraces his steps to the window, passes out through as he came in and escapes. He has done the murder. No eye has seen him. No ear has heard him. The secret is his own and it is safe. Ah, lowercase gentleman. That was a dreadful mistake. Such a secret can be safe nowhere. The whole creation- I think that's grammatically correct though, so. I wouldn't call it- Ah, exclamation point, lowercase gentleman.  The whole creation of God has neither nook nor corner where the guilty can bestow it and say it is safe, not to speak of that eye which pierces through all disguises and beholds everything. True it is, generally speaking, that murder will out. True it is, that providence has- Providence is capitalized. I mean, he's talking about heaven and I mean, it makes sense that he would capitalize it. But he's not talking about Rhode Island. No, no, no, he's talking about providence, which is a thing, I think. Oh, so is- Listen, I'm a very bad Christian, so you're gonna have to- Yeah, providence is referring to the protection or care of God. It's also a place, it's also God or nature- Morty! Providing protective nature. Morty! What? I'm a bad Christian and you're a good Jew. It's like Jesus again. Yeah, so in this case, he's referring to God as like a protective being or a spiritual being caring for him or something like that. He might also be referring to the place. All right, cut this portion out. Why, it's just fascinating. It's not to me. True it is, generally speaking, that murder will out. True it is, this is how it's actually written, by the way. That providence hath so ordained and doth so govern things that those who break the great law of heaven by shedding man's blood seldom succeed in avoiding discovery, especially in a case exciting so much attention as this, discovery must come- Wait, so he's taking like a paragraph and a half to say, yeah, people are gonna notice when you murder someone. Yeah.  One eighth- Yeah, Daniel Webster!  I bet he's not even in the Webster that the monkeys sing about. That's a reference that no one's gonna- I don't get it and I'm here. I'll send you that song after this. You'll just show it to me, you're right here. No, I'll just open up your laptop and show you, because I'm standing right here next to you. Exactly.  I get it, yeah, you're in front of me. Okay, okay, I'm gonna hit you real quick. Are you ready? Please don't. Three, two, one. Ow! Look at that. Why? I'm here. Why would you do that? I know you're here. Thousand eyes turn at once to explore every man. Everything, every circumstance, connected with the time and place. A thousand ears catch every whisper, semi-colon. A thousand excited minds intensely dwell on the scene, shedding all their light and ready to kindle the slightest circumstance into a blaze of discovery. Audible.com forward slash Colin Dramm. You heard it here before, friends, folks. Meantime, the guilty soul cannot keep- Audible.com forward slash ZeldinformerPod. I'm gonna murder you. This is me cutting you off again. Meantime, the guilty soul cannot keep its own secret. It is false to itself, or rather it feels an irresistible impulse of conscious to be true to itself. It labors under its guilty possession and knows not what to do with it. The human heart was not made for the res- The human heart was not made for the residents of such an inhabitant. It finds itself preyed on by a torment which it dares not acknowledge to God or man. A vulture is devouring it, and it can ask no sympathy or assistance, either from heaven or earth. Two more paragraphs. We're on the second page, Morty. The secret which the murderer possesses soon. That was one page? Yeah. It took like the secret- It took like 10 minutes. Which the murderer possesses- The secret which the murderer possesses soon comes to possess him. And like the evil spirits of which we read, it overcomes him and leads him, whether so ever it will. He feels it beating at his heart, rising to his throat and demanding disclosure. He thinks the whole world sees it in his face, reads it in his eyes, and almost hears its workings in the very silence of his thoughts. It has become his master. It portrays his discretion. It breaks down his courage. It conquers his prudence. One final paragraph. One suspicions from without begin to embarrass him and the net of circumstance to entangle him. The fatal secret struggles with still greater violence to burst for final sentence. It must be confessed. It will be confessed, Semicolon. There is no refuge from confession, but suicide and suicide is confession. Daniel Webster, the fatal secret 1850. Wasn't that great? Can I go to bed now? No. Oh God, do we have them?   No, yes, here it comes. Please don't stop, please. Three, two, ah, there you go. Now, Adam. You need to count all the way down that time. I know, I'm a goof. Now, Adam, I'm gonna read something even more terrifying than a mystery novel. The back of the CD case. No, the back of the CD case for SimCity 2000. The ultimate city simulator and more. Here they are. Don't go through my drawer like that, dude. Here they are, SimCity 2000. The SimCity 2000 urban renewal kit. SimCity 2000 scenarios, volume one. They're a great disaster and a bunch of. The other scenario challenges made in the USA. Screen displays may vary by computer. SimCity 2000 and Maxis are registered trademarks of Maxis Inc. All other trademarks or registered trademarks are the properties of their respective owners. Can you just slap me again? You've been talking for 30 minutes. No. Cause now I'm gonna read off my credit card number. Two, nine. Hey everybody, this is Adam and Colin from Zola Informer Podcast, wishing all of you a happy Thanksgiving, a safe Black Friday. I guess by the time you listen to this, you've already done all that. So, hopefully you got some good deals, you had some good food, and you made some good memories. Let us know what you thought of this episode and this little filler at the end down below in the comments. Colin. God bless us, everyone. Cole, don't you ever slap me off again. Ah!


Dance step number one remember you're always being watched and judged. I remember when I first heard this I thought is oh what a hot I had a mentor tell me this I thought my goodness That's so harsh. Can I just ever relax and be yourself? Well, the answer is you really do want to be yourself But you need to really be your best self if you doubt whether or not you're being judged Just think about your own behavior when you go. Let's say to the grocery store line When I go to the grocery store line before I get there I start scoping out who is the fastest cashier and Who is the slow? Who are the people that are going to want to talk to the cashier? Drag this on maybe have great big basket full of stuff Then once you get I pick my line usually the wrong one I'm looking at the person ahead of me and thinking hmm. Well, they're eating pretty healthy Not very much food is this person single or or maybe you know just the two of them You're just it's just our nature. We're always judging. That's human. That's human behavior So you will always be judged you're always being judged So to make an attempt to always try to be your best self You can't because you were always being judged and you're always on so to speak You have to be yourself because it's exhausting to be somebody else, but try to be your best self


I think there's a lot going on. It's a really exciting time. We have to make the money go further. We have to look out, we have to turn ourselves inside out and work with people who are bringing us original and new ways of doing things. The key thing that's changed in the last couple of years is how simple it is to make audiovisual material and how easy it is to put it up on a website or get it onto people's mobile phones and how much access people have and also of course other opportunities like IPTV have started to emerge. So there's enormous space developed within which arts organisations can experiment with audiovisual material. So the opportunity really is to define the shape of this space and to do things that nobody's done before and find new ways to reach audiences. Yes, I think content needs to be platform specific. There is an expectation from the audience as to what level of quality your content is going to be depending on the setting in which they find it. If they find it online they're not expecting it to be high quality. If they're buying a DVD or watching it in the cinema then of course they want a finished product that's got a strong narrative. So it's very important to consider your resources before you choose the platform that you're going to present your work on. I think the most important thing is to be true to your values, be true to who you are and what makes you special and different and what you care about, what you're passionate about, what's unique about you at the same time as to be versatile as to how you tell the story, how you express yourself. If you make stuff that is engaging, if you make stuff that is relevant to your mission so that people who like what you do will follow you on the journey into that material then you're more likely to get some traction. But there is absolutely no simple way of doing it except maybe spending several million pounds on a billboard advertising campaign which few organisations are going to do. I think it's really important at the moment to be cost effective with ideas too. We might as well be honest and vulgar about it. We've got to make less money go further. I think that goes back to engagement and not necessarily looking for new paying audiences but providing the content for your existing audiences that is deemed to be rich enough and valuable enough to actually pay for. I think this afternoon we'll offer up all sorts of different exciting ideas as to how we might work together.


I'm right outside Virtue, Kentucky, where many areas just like this have been affected by overnight flooding here in Pike County. After severe flooding swept through Pike and surrounded counties Thursday morning, search teams and road crews have been working tirelessly to remove debris and rescue families unable to leave their homes. Our road crews have been out since about 3.30 this morning. We have activated air emergency operations system. We have mobilized all the resources we can. We've got significant flooding in the Shelby Valley area, the Elkhorn Creek area. We've had a lot of costs coming in with people who are trapped. Some of those folks we simply can't get to because of the water. We've got a lot of first responders here who have experienced a swift water rescue. For instance, the Coal Run Volunteer Fire Department, the Pikeville Fire Department, the Elfrey and Pike County technical rescue, the Millard Fire and Rescue Department. We've got a lot of resources here. With many families trapped by high water, crews are doing what they can to retrieve those affected. However, conditions are hindering efforts. As of Thursday morning, it's unsure how many homes have been affected. Affected areas include Shelby Creek, Dorton, Jenkins Highway, Joe Nancy, and Long Fork. But right now we're still in the rescue operation. We just had the Coal Run Swift Water Rescue Team. As you guys were setting up, they were heading toward the Joe Nancy community. They don't know if they can even get there at this point. The one thing we can't do is we can't put our first responders in danger.  Don't try to leave a flooded structure again unless you're in fear of the structure collapsing or being swept off the foundation. Because first, there's no guarantee we can even get rescuers to you. And we also don't want to put our first responders in danger. Experienced heart specialists and subspecialists collaborating for the benefit of your care. About 10% national hospital rankings for patient safety and heart attack and heart failure treatment. The technology is skilled to perform extraordinary complex, minimally invasive cardiac, electrophysiology, interventional and structural heart surgeries. This is a heart and vascular institute at Pikeville Medical Center. When it comes to your heart, place your care in our hands. The biggest thing and it's a frustrating thing for first responders is the fact that we had people that were calling in for needs and we couldn't get to them. Roadways were flooded and it was a matter of where a roadway would be flooded then you would go a quarter of a mile and then it's four miles of dry pavement and then you come to another flooded area and you can't get boats through those areas. We were talking five, six foot of water, some more in some of those roadways. So it made it impossible for us to get into some areas. We had some power lines down that were live laying across the road in the water. So of course you can't put first responders in harm's way to get to folks. And folks don't understand that we're trying our best to get to those areas where these folks are calling from. But when roadways are flooded in every way, the way this storm hit, it flooded every way in to different, all these different areas. You know, people here in the Verge area, you can't get to Joe Nancy. You can't get to the head of Longfork. You can go through Robinson Creek and come to this point at Longfork, but you can't go any further. So it's frustrating for the residents and for people that don't, that have loved ones that haven't been able to make contact with. But you know, there are some power outages like I said with power lines being down. Mountain water also has some issues that they're going to have to have water off for a while due to the flooding. So it's really hampered first responders being able to get into those areas. And right now we've got three crews out or four crews out right now trying to get into some of those areas that as the water's receded out of the roadway, the state road department's working with us, trying to get the roads opened up so that we can get in and the county road department so that we can get into some of these places where we've received calls of people being displaced or trapped. To donate food or cleaning supplies, you can drop items off at the Shelby Valley High School, Ginny Wiley State Resort Park or Appalachian Wireless Arena. For temporary housing, you can visit Shelby Valley High School or Ginny Wiley State Resort Park. Reporting from Pike County, Kentucky, for Mountain Top News, I'm Joel Korjol.


What drew me to him? I don't know how to put that into words. We just got along very well. Just our morals all lined up in the things that were important to us in life and the family we wanted to have someday all just meshed together. Since becoming his wife, sorry, it what's it in a different perspective because I realize that the freedoms we enjoy in this country are not free. There are so many veterans who are paying the price. Caregiver is definitely a broad term on what my wife does. She has been basically there and helping me more than almost possibly just like my psychiatrist, my doctor, my therapist, and on top of that still maintaining the best friend, companionship. I do it because I love him. So I don't need recognition for it and I think a lot of caregivers feel the same way.  But on the flip side, a good way to support wounded warriors is to support their families and support the caregivers because as caregivers if we're getting extra support we can be an even better caregiver for our warrior.


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to all my American friends. I am highly disappointed, shocked, sad, and I don't know how this election might affect my annual US trips. In Germany, November 9th is called a fateful day. It is also a remembrance day. 1918, November Revolution. 1923, Hitler's first violent attempt to become president. 1938, night of the broken glass where thousands of Jews were killed, deported, and the housing and businesses were destroyed. 1989, fall of the Berlin Wall. Well, and now, now November 9th marks for the world the realization that Donald Trump is president. And I really hope that this does not make history in a bad way.


According to textbook biology, the gap in time between a chimpanzee and a human is how long? About five million years. The transition from an ancestor that looked, you know, this wolf-like deer-like putative progenitor to a fully aquatic cetacean was roughly a window of time of about what? Seven to eight million years. So in the time supposedly that it took for a chimpanzee, a chimp-like ancestor to become truly a hominid, you have this transition from an aquatic mammal to one that's from a terrestrial mammal to one that's fully aquatic. But what happened in the past few years is that this window of time has become very narrow. It was thought in 2001 that there was anywhere from nine to eleven million years. We now know that this gap here between a terrestrial mammal, a putative ancestor of whales, to a fully marine cetacean was around one to two million years, at most around three million years. Now what does this mean in engineering terms? When you look at the first cetaceans, the first aquatic whales, truly aquatic, living birth and seed, nursing their young in the ocean, complete their whole life cycle in an oceanic environment, and you compare their anatomy, their soft part, their hard part anatomy, to that of, say, a putative ancestor. You're not talking about three changes or five changes or ten changes.  You need a number of profound systemic transitions. And here are just a few of them. You need, for example, an ability to move the tail flute up and down in the water. You need a special backbone modification, a special bone called a ball vertebra. You need the ability, you need blubber for temperature insulation. A whale that you need to dive down, say, 2,000 feet, 5,000 feet in a matter of minutes. Then you need some means of adjusting for that. You need the ability to drink seawater, changes in kidneys. You need the ability to conduct labor underwater. You need to reduce the island. You need to transform the forelimbs. It's on and on and on. It's literally hundreds, if not thousands of engineering changes that had to have occurred. And they had to have occurred not in 50 million years, not in 100 million years, not even within 10 million years, but within a very narrow window of time. And here's just a few more examples of that I will not belabor. But the question is, and it's the one question that I want to address tonight, can the geological pattern, the progression of forms, be explained by the textbook processes of population genetics? That's code for neo-Darwinian theory. Does neo-Darwinism, as it exists today, provide an adequate, causal explanation for the origin of these new organ systems? Now, according to the theory, what you need for evolution will occur. Any type of evolution is you need mutations. You've got to have variation. You've got to have selection of sieving process. And therefore, if you need new traits, the more you need, the more mutations you have to have. It's a risk for the bill of evolution. So, how do we judge whether or not the theory works? Well, by its own standards, that is the equations of population genetics. It's a numbers game. You essentially need three things. In order to get enough mutations for you to take, say, a domestic dog and to transform it with some other kind of animal, you need either many generations of selective breeding. You need a lot of mutations coming in, a lot of variability that you can select, or you need immense population sizes. And then, once you find those few odd variants that fit the bill, it's not just enough for them to appear. They have to become fixed in a population. They have to become the dominant traits that you find throughout the lineage. It's like dog breeding. You select a certain breed, you pick a trait, and you don't just want, I've got this one trait, and I'm now going to let it breed with any mongrel that comes along. No, what you do is you carefully cultivate it so that you end up with a type that breeds true. It's the same idea in neodymium theory. If you don't have any of those three things, then you have a problem with variation being exhausted, you don't have any risk for the milk, or you have what's called genetic risk, and all that means is simply that the whole process is willy-nilly. It's random, it's haphazard. And what I want to think about is the kind of changes, with this in mind, the kind of changes that would take you from this kind of animal, as cartoonish as it is, to this kind of animal, batosaurus. Remember, this transition was only a few million years. Now, I want to show you something of very remarkable innovation that Cetacea have. I just want you to think about how you would engineer this. And I also want you to think about from the standpoint of very useful complexity. Cetacea do not have the male reproductive organs on the outside of the body. The testes are on the inside, and they're right next to the muscle systems that generate heat during swimming. What they have is a cooling system, though. You know what happens, for example, in humans or dogs if the testes do not descent? What happens? Sterility. And that is because further production requires a lower core body temperature than what you have in those mammals. What they have is a system where they shut cold blood, or cool blood, from the tail flutes, from the dorsal fin, and they bathe the testes in this cool blood. That, in turn, takes the heat, and then it's dispersed throughout the cardiovascular system. So even though they're swimming and they're generating a lot of heat, the core temperature of that organ is actually below body temperature. Now, the problem to think about here is, which comes first? You need actually both systems in order to have reproductive viability, or at least that first flush you do. So, how easy is, let's imagine, let me just step back for a second, just a few more slides so please bear with me, but imagine that you need only two changes to DNA to build this system. Let's just imagine, all you need is two mutations, and you go from having the standard terrestrial type reproductive, male reproductive apparatus to having a whale reproductive apparatus. It's an outrageous stretch, I know, but let's just imagine, let's just suppose. And you say, well, who's done that calculation? Well, in 2008, in a peer-reviewed journal called Genetics, two authors, Dyrton Schmidt, attempting to refute Michael Media, they look at this problem within mammals and within fruit flies and some other groups. And the question that they asked was very simple. They said, how long would it take for two of these coordinated changes to appear in a population? And they said, well, of course, BD's wrong because we know that in our lineage where mammals, it would take, you would see these two coordinated changes appear every 216 million years. Now, what's the problem with that picture? The problem is, you only have five and a half million years. You don't have 216 million years. But if you take their figures and you adjust it to what you would have if you were talking about some prehistoric whales, some proto-whale, existing cows, any kind of hippopotamide, doesn't matter what you're talking about, and you wrap it down, what this corresponds to in whale time is it would take for two such changes, 43 million years or so. But again, you have a problem. Now, what's that problem? You only had a few million years. And again, we're talking about a very complex system but all this being presupposed that two simple changes to DNA is going to be able to build that. Now, it could be argued, and here's just a paper if anyone wants to cite it, Genetics 2009, it's open access. Anyone can go and they can retrieve this paper, they can look at the map. And one of the first papers to really tackle the subject. Believe it or not, it hasn't been tackled until just the past few years. And here's just going documentation of their map. So there are three problems though. The problem is that when we look at it, there were too few generations involved in the transition from a so-called walking whale to a fully aquatic whale. The numbers of mutations needed appear to be are prohibitive. And we know though that unlike bacteria and like viruses and like fruit flies, mammalian breeding population sizes are actually quite low. Take rats for example, you would think, well there are millions, it's not, you know, billions of rats worldwide. But yet, breeding population, there are only about 100,000, 400,000 or so of breeding at any one time. So the number of the issue is there was not enough time and I'm just going to skip over that lengthy slide. The problem though with the Dürer and Schmidt models, if it is a problem, just remember two DNA changes will give you this elaborate engineering marble, is that they presuppose that the first change caused a slight decrease in function. You lose something and then you've got to rely on the second change to get the system up and running. But what if you say, I'm going to grant that you don't need any of that, that there was no cost at all, period, to the evolutionary process, that it was completely neutral. So let's suppose that, and I'll show you the model, that what you have and you've got a free gene floating, if you will, as a gene pool ran into a ball, that you need anywhere from one to ten neutral, that is, will have no effect if you make the change, could have a positive effect, but there's no cost to making the change within a period of time. And we're going to have a breeding population size, prehistoric whales that are roughly what we know of not existing whales, but let's say human populations or cows of what have you. And let's rerun it. In other words, let's grant to the theory everything that it wants to reify that there you will. And here's what you find. This is a strictly neutral model. What you're saying is that, okay, I've got, here are the number of mutations to come up with that engineering marble. Here are the number of generations needed to get, you know, one, two, three, four, and five. And what you find is that given that extra gene and given just a few changes, really by the time that you get to two to three mutations, you've already exceeded the amount of time available. So if you assume that in making this, you know, like building a ship at sea, you've got to tear the ship apart, nevertheless you're out in the ocean and then you've got to rebuild it, if you assume that that's not going to cause any engineering problems, everything's going to go along no kind intended swimmingly, nevertheless you run into this time problem. This is a problem that is quite severe. This is a problem that is entailed by the equations themselves. It falls out of the map. And here's another issue again. That if you grant a strictly neutral process, with no cost, excuse me, and it would typically need only two or more mutations in a duplicate, before you get an adaptive novelty, before you get that cooling system with a reproductive, then there were simply not enough generations or years for this to happen. The problem is that when we look at the DNA sequences of these different types of mammals and we look at the changes required for new functionality, and this is what Dr. Doug Axe is going to be speaking about in particular, what you find is that you need far more than four changes. In other words, this last point is that you need too many engineering modifications to be made, but you have too little time. And that's both my point and I will end it over to Steve. Thank you. It's very subversive of Dr. Sternberg to use such a sexy example on a college campus. When he first went through the series of all the anatomical changes, I thought, we'll talk about the whale, but he got it. One point of clarification, when he was talking about the dirt and spit, dirt and Schmidt paper, the context is important here, because they were talking about, they were trying to make a calculation that would take for two coordinated mutations to occur in service of a common function. Michael Beehe had made a calculation of that sort based on studies of malaria bacteria, and it's come up with a very big, scary number. I think it was 500 million or maybe even more, maybe something like a billion, I can't remember. And so they came back and said, no, Beehe is wrong. It would only be 216 million, which is equally prohibitive.