My name's Regan. I work for Anthony J. Lyon Detective Bureau. They call me the lion's eye Jeff Regan investigators starring Frank Graham as Regan with Frank Nelson as Anthony J. Lyon to stand by for mystery and suspense and adventure in tonight's story the Hollywood story or H is for the many things you gave me It was a great day for the lion money all over the place motion picture money Hollywood money And all we had to do for it was stop one guy from seeing another guy a very simple job Except when a guy got in the way of the wrong bullet The Hollywood story got underway along about noon in the lion's office He was sitting behind his desk engulfed in a cloud of 50 cents a guy smoke But through the smoke the gleam in his eyes cut like a sunset strip search light announcing the opening of a popcorn stand Coming coming. It's a wonderful day. It looks like Rich uncle died.  We got a client. Yes What else a rich client?  I'm no mind reader What's the story Jeffrey the big moment has come at last we've been hired by progressive pictures Incorporated a movie money, huh? That's all more than that Jeffrey this case has all the earmarks of a big thing I happen to know that the famous movie star Larry winters is involved You see Jeffrey. We're getting on the inside of things. Thank you head of hopper Yeah, I also happen to know this case involves a two million dollar picture and a real future for the lion detective agency Think of it my boy us being on the list of the big producers, but which list it now You run right out to progressive pictures Jeffrey look up mr. H. P. Lovejoy the big producer He'll give you the complete details and Jeffrey above all else be on your best behavior The future of the agency depends on you really a big thing how fatso big it's colossal gigantic stupendous. Yep. That's movie business. All right There was a girl behind the wire cage who summoned the big studio guard with a bigger gun The guard dressed in enough gold braid to worry an admiral Took me down the studio lot to a door with an electric guy and the eye checked me over and O-caid me for another guard behind another cage a couple of cages later. I got to a secretary and Five secretaries after that a door open without benefit of an electric guy And I stood staring into the worried be stick to go face of HP.  Have a cigar. No, thanks I'm going to get to the point mr. Regan. It's about my boy Larry Witte your son. No, no, no Of course not Larry Witte is the big star. I called him my boy. I discovered him four years ago He and Kitty train are the two biggest stars. We've got that I Don't want to see anyone miss clutch no calls no interruptions, but send Sid Rainerian Well, that takes care of that now where was I? Well, you were about to tell me about Larry Oh, yes Sent for me HP. Yes. This is Regan Regan. This is my assistant Sid Rainier. Hello Regan about the Winters matter, huh? HP I checked the files on it again. Definitely dangerous. Yeah, sit down Sid. Let me see now Where was I Regan about your actor Larry Winters? Yes, I Said I didn't want to talk to anyone this clutch that includes you Now let me see you were about to tell Regan about Larry HP. Oh, yes, so I was so I was You follow me so far Regan. Oh sure good good I like a man who can follow a conversation now about the people just one little thing love joy. Yes What about Larry Winters? What why I told oh, oh, that's right. I didn't tell you that part of it Yeah, that part of it. Well, well Regan Winters is a model star except when your pal stubby a dare comes to town Yeah, stubby and Larry were in the army together check and when stubby shows up in Hollywood He looks up his pal Larry and that's where the trouble starts You know how it is with old army pals Regan one drink leads to another Chidney you know Larry Winters never touches the stuff. Yes. Yes. That's what I said Larry never touches the stuff But he can't stay away from stubby's screwy deals Last time it was a lost goldmine by the time stubby got through convincing Larry what fun they'd have Nothing Larry was gone for a week stop production on the picture. He was shooting across the studio of fortune And stubby is in town again this guy's real bright HP There'll be a dare is in town again But Larry Winters is in Long Beach on location shooting a big South Sea Island picture two million dollar budget We've got to finish that picture on schedule a lot of money invested Regan you understand sure I understand now Here's the assignment Regan heat stubby a dare away from Larry for one week just one week And there's a thousand dollars in it for you you collect after the pictures finished Well that sounds fair enough, but wait a minute women It won't be easy Larry's got a new contract coming up if he founds out we kept stubby undercover He won't sign it's got to be cautious Regan very cautious You've got the handle stubby with kids love sure. I'm a good time to him Don't let him know what's happening to him. That's it. Okay, you bought a detective Where do I find stubby a dare hotel rich Hollywood hotel rich? We got him a sweet dare he arrived this morning We told him he'd see Larry tonight, and I fill it in from there. You fill it just one more little thing We can we all sold told him a major executive from a studio would show him the town. That's me The man's a genius for one week Regan You're the executive producer with progressive pictures stubby is concerned. Okay. I'm a producer say Regan has anybody got you under Well, that's the way it started just me and a character named stubby a dare I Got to the Hollywood Ritz about 130 and knocked on the door to room 709 My week's work peaked out. Mr.  Larry must have told you oh that gold mine was a bum steer This is the real thing real thing. I'm gonna let you win on it Regan since you know Larry after all you're his boss Yeah, that's right Regan. I have got on me at this very minute a piece of paper It's worth over a million bucks. No Yeah, I got a 30-day option on a little piece of property up near Baker's field that Well that good good Stupendous like you fellow say Regan this hunk of land is on top of one of the hottest blackest Bubbling this pools of oil in the whole world. That's pretty big. I'd like to look it in on it Regan, but I can't I just just saved it all for Larry that's right for my pal Larry Him and me was in the army together Regan with pals and you're gonna let him sink a few hundred thousand and drilling and well Well with you for all time say no No, it don't take that much. Maybe 60 70,000 is dropping the bucket compared to what's coming out of that. Well, that's pretty friendly of you there Just just call me stubby I Tell you what Regan?  I like you fine and you're a friend of Larry So you're gonna let me invest in an oil well well, at least I can do for a friend of Larry's how much you're gonna let me invest I'll be oh, I thought maybe you could come in for say Maybe 20,000 I'm saving the big size for Larry, but you can have some that's very Considered nothing really you see my option on that oil and is up in a week one week from today So I either got to get the dough to extend it and start drilling or all is lost exactly. It's tragic Unless of course, I see Larry he'll back me you can bet on that him and me was in the army together Yeah, yeah, sure. Well, um, how about lunch sir stubby good idea. In fact, I got a still better one I'm listening seeing as how you're a big shot at the studio Regan I figure I'd let you tour me around do what show me the works out of progressive pictures You make like a guide Regan and me I'll be a hit Sure, it was screwy a little man with an oil well and a star who likes to take gambos Stubby there and I took the elevator down to the lobby and started outside to my car Only that's what I've got screwy here a Tall narrow guy drifted away from one of the pillars in the hotel lobby and ambled out the door behind us Stubby night turned left So did the tall guy I Passed my car and led stubby into a drugstore. Hey, what we're going here for cigarette stubby take it easy The tall narrow man was wearing a brown suit and a brown felt hat He was with us in the drugstore Outside he was still with us and brown suit looked in a shop window and watched us as we got in the car He couldn't figure it but one way Somebody put a tail job on stubby a dare And then he was gone Brown suit brown hat melted into the crowd stubby climbed into my car expectantly and we headed out to progressive pictures An hour later we finished up lunch in the studio commissary and stubby was ready for the 40 cent tour But I had a question first Now we take the tour huh in a minute Question first Sure Regan you want to know about that oil well, huh?  You've got eyes Regan honest I don't run in the drugstore. I saw you're watching him. Oh You gotta know huh? Yeah, I gotta know Okay, Regan seen as how you're practically a partner of mine. I saw the guy in the brown suit He's been telling me since this morning when I got in town That's why you were cautious back at the hotel when you opened your door. Yeah, that's why Who is he? I don't know you've got ideas Regan. Don't pin me this way.  No, no hard Wait a minute. What is it Regan? Stay right here stubby. I'll be back. Hey Regan Paying his check walking out the main door of the commissary was brown suit the tail guy I left stubby a dare looking puzzled and walked after brown suit It was supposed to be conversation, but brown suit didn't like the idea. He glanced back saw me and walked faster That's when I walked faster. That's when brown suits started to run And that's when I followed anybody too scared for conversation had more answers than I thought Brown suits led through an alleyway, and I was behind him medieval village cobblestone streets and knights and armor And then brown suit swung across the set and onto another one. It was old West dirt streets cowboys spitting the back Oh, it was a chase through the land to make believe until suddenly brown suit headed for another alleyway And this one was no set big executive office building on the left dressing rooms on the right at the end of the road Dead end. That's when brown suit suddenly turned looked at me like he was seeing through me I grabbed at the shoulder holster. I dropped down grab for mine and we both level guns at the same time Brown suit folded in the heap and the gun in his hand fell to the ground. I Moved down to the end of the dead end street beside him Brown suits gun was cool. I'm fired my gun cool unfired Brown suit was dead, but neither he nor I had fired a shot In 10 minutes there were more studio soldiers surrounding me than Grant took with him to Richmond I got a quick trip to the office of HP Lovejoy and two of the local gendarmes sat behind my chair while we waited for HP himself to show up That gave me plenty of time to think Lovejoy had hired the lion and me to keep stubby a dare away from the big movie star Larry winners stubby an old buddy of Larry's is the kind of a guy with lost gold mines and oil wells And Larry was the kind of a guy who invested in them Only when I took stubby out to the studio for a tour A character in a brown suit tailed us and then got bullets in his chest for the trouble That's when the studio cops arrived with me standing over the body That's when I went to Lovejoy's office Okay, Regan. Give me the story the full production. No, no wait a minute This clutch get Johnson tell him to contact the papers. I don't want anything out on this until I give the word and get me Sid All right, Regan. I'm with you so far now tell me the rest of it I picked up stubby a dare at his hotel. We were tailed to the studio by a tall guy in a brown suit and About the business down back to the office as I got some answers. Okay, sir Regan catch this go on Sid Vaughan the guy killed was a private detective named Smith or Jones or something his name was Clayton. Yeah, he'd been hired to tell stubby a dare and he was armed Maybe he was going to kill stubby.  Yes, that's what What's that you're saying Regan? I checked his papers as operators license and his gun Somebody hired him to tail Jeff Regan not stubby a dare Regan. You realize what you're saying I realize somebody's in a big big double-cross and somebody else around here knows about it. Yeah So that's the way it goes.  One more thing stubby a dare is missing. What did you say the cops have been looking all over for him? Gone, what's the meaning of this Regan?  Well then get somebody else HP Regan You had me to stop stubby a dare from seeing Larry went at your star All right when another guy shows up tailing this my job is to get a check on him And so you let stubby a dare slip right out of your hands. I don't like that Regan I don't like that at all. Oh HP Regan's doing the best he can and I'm going to tell you something Regan I cleared you from suspicion after my cops found you standing over a dead man I had you brought here and I said I'd give them a story Well, maybe I won't maybe I'll let them have you Regan for keeps you couldn't make it stick love joy not even you But I try Regan. I'm giving you until midnight tonight to find stubby a dare You know I let the LA police department have you for as long as they like you understand that don't you? Yeah, I understand that Thanks, love joint. Thanks for all your help Regan. You need it You need it It was 430 and I had until midnight and I needed facts and a lot of them fast There were two leads to take and I made a nickel-down payment on the first one I got work for you very well would be a You don't have to get that enthusiastic fat so I Know who if I could only get my hands on you Lion take it easy Yeah, that's all Those things happen lion, you know how it is a personality Yeah, but that's all I've only been on the case a couple of hours. Give me some time Hi Okay, okay Pat so save the hot air That took care of any help from lion So I moved on to lead number two Clayton the private dick who'd been tailing stubby a dare and me was shot from one of two places From a window in the office building on the left of the dead end street Well from a dressing room door on the right When he turned toward me and reached for his gun. He was looking past me looking at somebody behind me who killed him Five doors with numbers on him four of them were nothing the fifth was and I tried It would You know you kept me waiting kitty train progressive pictures gift to American males She drifted off and behind the screen and looked me up and down That made us even He was tall and blue net And then in some places and not been another And arise sparkles like hot comets with no place to go Well come in darling. I'll tell you everything Everything well, that's what you want to know isn't it an idea When kitty train gets through with your darling, you'll know everything But yeah, I was born on a small farm in Iowa. My mother and father were very poor I milk cows helped plant corn joined the 4-H club at a very tender age. My mother encouraged me in my career She sent my fixie to a Hollywood Beauty contest soon the studio exactly wait wait a minute. Am I going too fast darling? Look lady, I didn't come here to get the story Well darling if you insist I wasn't born in Iowa at all I was born right here in Pomona my father ran a bar the shot my mother ran up with a bald-headed tuber player I worked as a waitress until somebody gave me the name of a good agent and I found her at a Hollywood Look all I want is a few answers No, very well darling. I might have known that you'd never be satisfied with a routine interview I'll give you an exclusive My last marriage ended because John didn't watch the way I did my hair. It broke me up darling It really broke me up. That's when I began to see dr. Heidegger dr. Heidegger the evidence of cartridge Tell me darling. Why is it that all psychiatrists ran on him? Thanks. Thanks a lot. Oh, must you leave so soon darling. There's really more much more. Yeah. Yeah, I must leave By the way, my name is Jeff Regan not darling. What? Then you aren't all the channel the reporter for the New York world news. Nope my error. So long lady. Oh, mr. Regan wait After all an interview is an interview not today darling I Took care of lead number two And that's when I decided on a couple of phone calls The first to miss clutch H.B. Lovejoy secretary who told me after five minutes of wrangling The Larry Wonders was staying at the surf town hotel in Long Beach until the picture. He was working in was finished room 615 The second call was to build Greg who writes a column for the LA Daily News He calls it speaking of oil and we did oil near Bakersfield He told me plenty and then he gave me the name of a geologist in Bakersfield and I placed a quick call to his office This is Jeff Regan friend of mine suggested I call you for some information about the oil fields up there Oh, well, mr. Peters the geologist isn't in but I'm his assistant perhaps I can help you Rembrandt's the name Rudolph Rembrandt. Yeah, no relation to the famous Rembrandt People always ask me that and I always tell him no no relation to the famous Rembrandt Yeah, sure. Look, I'd like to check on some property in that vicinity Of course, I'd like to be the related to the famous Rembrandt. Just imagine. He might have willed me one of his paintings Yeah, things never work out that way do they I had a friend once named Rockefeller, but you think he was related He most certainly was not look mr. Rembrandt all I want to know is about prospects on some oil property in your area That's what you want to know. Well, I'm sorry. I can't help you on that. You see I'm only mr. Peters assistant He's a geologist. Now if you'll call him later. I'm never mine. I Headed for Long Beach Long Beach sailors and fog and two-bit rides Carnival wheels and con men and electronic bingo and popcorn always everywhere popcorn a Kind of a salt sprayed joy ride with built-in safety features The surf town hotel 11 floors of steel and glass was at the end of Ocean Avenue two marble dolphins guarding the door. I Went in and that was it Slinking near the elevators little guy stooped shoulders my target for the night stubby it air Okay stubby hey, oh Hi, you're Regan. It's a nice night, huh?  I may not let you invest in my oil well listen stubby quit playing games.  I heard about you Hollywood guys great kid is nobody's kidding anybody stubby Brown suit the guy following us was shot to death. Yeah, what movie was that? Oh, I remember night must end Larry played the detective He was great. Come on give stubby You're heading for Larry with his room right now. Yeah. Yeah, that's right Regan 1109. I'm heading there 11 or never mind Regan You guys have been trying to keep me from seeing Larry. I know that now no more tricks listen stubby Larry What his room number isn't well for your info Regan?  Yeah, what part did you steal that from Regan?  I grabbed it It took maybe a minute to make the 11th floor But it seemed like an hour Down at the end of the hall a door was closing quietly the number on it said 1109 I drew my gun and ran for it I didn't have time to be polite Stubby are there on the floor near the open window gasping for breath next to him Sid Renear HP Lovejoy's assistant my bullet in his arm He was gonna toss you out of that open-window stubby 11 floors down his concrete. That's alive Yeah, okay stubby Sid found out about that oil option you've gotten Bakersfield you say there's oil under that land I checked that a wildcatter on the property next to yours brought in a gusher last week Who knows maybe you're in he wanted to keep luring from belly meant to shut up my arm You left a message with one of Lovejoy's secretaries Renear deliberately sent stubby to the wrong room You shot Brown suit the private op you'd hired you know that didn't make sense Until I realized it was me you were after only I dropped down he didn't Sure, Sid sure I'll get you to a doc a But you don't count on him, but you're gonna get he can't cure Stubby are there kept his option and Sid Renear went to jail Thus the lion was all smiles when I turned up at his office the next morning My boy coming coming. Oh, that means we're friends again, huh? That's a friend.  Oh that way. Let's all change now Jeffrey Everything came out just like I said it was what came out. Well, why the new movie business? Remember, I told you if you'd stay on your best behavior Jeffrey We'd be in line for more movie business. Well, now we've got it and you'll never guess who our new client is Okay, I'll never guess who Larry Winters Jeffrey the big star Winters hired us. Yes, Jeffrey He wants protection it not for himself for a friend. Oh Friend didn't get the friend's name doesn't matter You see Larry Winters and the friend were in the army together Go on that's Larry and this friend are flying up the Bakersfield this afternoon to look at some valuable property They want you to go along Jeffrey isn't that wonderful lion if Larry Winters goes up to Bakersfield this afternoon That means the picture he's working on will be delayed. Who cares this is business Jeffrey. Just thought you might be interested Progressive pictures won't like it Jeffrey if Larry Winters wants to go to Bakersfield Just thought you'd want to know because we don't get paid lion until Winters finishes that picture Jeffrey for the last time I don't care what happens to progressive pictures. What did you say? That's it? Fatso if he takes that plane no picture no picture no money What kind of a stunt does Winters think he's pulling walking out on a picture that way? What kind of a primadonna does he think he is Jeffrey? Don't just sit there get out there and stop that place Jeff Regan Investigator is written by William Frugan William Pfeil produced and directed by Sterling Tracy and stars Frank Graham as Regan with Frank Nelson as Anthony J. Lyon Original music is by Dick Iran Jeff Regan investigator is heard each week at the same time over CBS This is Bob Stephenson speaking Inviting you to be with us again for more suspense and mystery and adventure with Jeff Regan investigator


In this module, we would look into another interesting thing. In the last module, we had a view on cryptocurrencies and our view was not very favorable. There is another phenomenon which is called bonus points, loyalty points or in case of airlines, airlines offer air miles. These air miles are offered by almost every airline in the world, including PIA. Air miles, basically these are loyalty benefits which are offered by the airlines to their customers i.e. passengers. And these air miles can be used to buy some flights which effectively can become for free or for a certain discounted price. There is an emerging business in the world which is around buying and selling of airlines air miles or other loyalty when. Now, if we combine all the air miles for example in the world, their value can be in big hundreds of billions of dollars. So, all the air miles or whatever name they are given their value is used. Now in a lot of cases these air miles they go unspent. I am a frequent flyer and I can tell you that I have lost a lot of air miles because I did not have an opportunity to fly with a particular airline for a certain time period although previously I was flying with that airline frequently. So, these air miles they have in a lot of cases they have an expiry date. There are certain airlines they do not put an expiry date on air miles. Gullfair is one of them. So, whatever air miles you get from Gullfair they do not expire. In case of Emirates airlines for example there is an expiry date. Now the question arises can someone sell these air miles for a price cash price? First thing is that these air miles are what? These air miles are benefits and these air miles they are benefits which would accrue to me the air owner of the air miles only when I exercise my right in future. So, in other words this is a benefit which is in the form of receivable. This is in the form of a debt. Remember in our previous modules we discussed that Islam or Islamic law does not allow trading in debt. If air miles are considered as a receivable a receivable benefit then there should be some Sharia concerns on me selling this receivable benefit for cash. When I started this module you might have been thinking that I am going to waste time. This is not a non-issue. No from Sharia viewpoint this is a big issue and Sharia scholars are looking into the tradability or trading in air miles. If you google and type trading in air miles you will actually come across quite a number of new companies set up whose primary business is trading in air miles, trading in bonus points, trading in loyalty points. From a Sharia viewpoint there is no consensus on the trading in the assets or in the things like air miles because we are not quite sure what is their exact nature. In fact many issuers of these things these air miles they are not quite sure about the legal status of these things I would like to say air miles loyalty points and so on. So until we have clarity on the status legal status of air miles we would find it difficult to come up with a definite view from a Sharia viewpoint on air miles.


What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards? I'm ripping five boxes So I won sealed case of 2022 Panini immaculate collegiate football hobby for Jeremy B So good luck. Thank you as always Jeremy. Jeremy's our big college collector here at LSC Big Penn State fans. So let's see if we can pull you some thoughts in I know that Parsons has autos in here Maybe Joaquin brisker might have some autos I'm not sure but let's see See what we can get out of here for you, buddy Full case coming in here glory full case Yes, sir. We've got nice Lamar Jackson 40 out of 75 Don't have to do any multi-randoms on this either We've got premium rookie patches auto bull. That's gonna be cool. That is Jalen Weidemeier That'll be a good one for you there Jeremy bull patch who knows what that could be be anything That's nasty Seven out of 99 Trayvon Walker number one overall pick from the Georgia Bulldogs There you go, Jeremy nice one there nice Trayvon Take that for sure take that for sure Got Jalen Tolbert two out of 99 That is from South Alabama. He's a cowboy right now got nice one here 36 out of 99 Three-colored RPA Garrett Wilson for Ohio State Nice one Jeremy Congrats, buddy Take a Garrett Wilson cool one here 17 out of 20 Carson strong on the three-colored glove patch Nice one there Carson strong Wilson solid Wilson's really solid watch. This is gonna be the one case. We don't have a single multi-random guaranteed Guaranteed hundred dollars on that Roger Stalback 32 out of 35 nice one there Cowboys Got 45 out of 99. That's Christian Watson for North Dakota. So yeah, North Dakota State and the Packers Whoa, wow cool 22 out of 49 immaculate ink Matt Stafford Heck yeah, there you go Georgia Bulldog Matt Stafford that's sweet We've got Rashad white Up next. I know he's a buck in here. I don't know where he went to college off the top of my head, Minnesota That's my guess is Minnesota Minnesota, Iowa State. That's where he seems like you'd be from God white Nebraska Kearney, then he's oh then to Arizona State so he by way of Arizona State technically I'm nice Rashad white. Oh, it's 27 out of 99. That's Crystal Lave. There you go on the RPA It's maximum sick Helmet patch nice one coming up here We've got 8 out of 12 Sam Howell on the helmet patch part of that UNC logo There you go, Jeremy even if you're not a UNC fan, I have to imagine you appreciate a nasty patch like that. I see right another Roger Staubach nice 80 or no 63 out of 75 66 out of 99 that is RPA Kyle Hamilton. Oh, this is sick. Oh, wow. That's really cool. This next one's really sick Uh 15 out of 15. How about Joe Montana? There you go for Notre Dame. Congrats Jeremy a great bet so far a Stafford and a Montana coming out for autos That's sick We've got 90 out of 99 For Colorado State, that is Trey McBride. Do not know where that patches from But still got the on-card on Nice Trey McBride. We've got for the Florida Gators 32 out of 49 and that is Damien Pierce Now a Houston Texan 32 out of 49 Go Gators, baby And we've got Aiden Hutchinson Hassan Haskins 94 out of 99 on the dual So that would have been a random nice one there. So Lions and Titans both Michigan Wolverines That Jeremy does not like that card Big 10 rival Same with the Ohio State. I forgot we pulled Garrett Wilson and Chris Alame. All right, we got to get you a Datsun now Jeremy That's my goal.  All right, we've got Brett Farve That is 17 out of 35 Followed by a Jack young blood. There we go Jack young blood 47 out of 99 for Florida Here he is Jahan Datsun Congrats Jeremy with the Happy Valley Patch 48 out of 99 congrats man. We needed you to get you a Datsun out of here and we did There we go. It's got another Datsun now Got jet cone on the RPA That is 36 out of 49 for Notre Dame. I'm just going to screw it in this It got 23 out of 99. That is Alec Pierce two-color patch auto for the Cincinnati Bearcats Oh, yeah Nobody dislikes this and John Metchie the third on the jumbo one-color patch 45 out of 99 Alabama That's true, you do you if you don't like scourge you don't like late Yeah, true. All right, there you go, Barry Sanders is the first one 59 out of 69 or 99 59 out of 99 Or Oklahoma State got Michael Gallup on the Immaculate Inc. Nine out of 49 For Colorado State like the last time they're really good Michael Gallup Traylon Perks That's sick 12 out of 99. Oh nice one here We've got jumbo bullpatch eight out of ten Carson strong Look at the patch on that thing That's naturally with the you can see the word Detroit That's cool. Congrats, Jeremy We've got RPA 18 out of 49. That is Zemir White Nice Zemir white for you. No idea what that's from. We've got 10 out of 12 Derek Stingley, Jr. On the I honestly have no idea what that's from Doesn't say anywhere either usually I'll say like gloves or patches I guess it's got to be a dirt part of the jersey then And that is it that'll do for your break there Jeremy. Congrats Thank you as always for the support and the orders will get them right out to you. Thanks again, buddy


Greetings from the National Archives of the United States, and it's my pleasure to welcome you to today's virtual book talk with Jane Zanglein, author of The Girl Explorers. Before we begin, I'd like to tell you about two upcoming programs you can view on our YouTube channel. On Thursday, March 11th at noon, Bruce Levine will be here to tell us about his new biography of Thaddeus Stevens. One of the foremost abolitionists in Congress before the Civil War, and firm proponent of equal rights for black Americans during Reconstruction. And on Monday, March 15th at 7 p.m., Julia Swagg will discuss her new biography, Lady Burr Johnson, Hiding in Plain Sight, which documents the former First Lady's complex role as a political partner to her husband and as a vital yet underappreciated presence in the White House. In 1932, Maureen Peary Stafford, daughter of Polar Express Flora Robert Peary, set off for Greenland on a mission to build a monument there honoring her famous father. Film footage and lantern slides in the National Archives document this Peary expedition, and a collection of Maureen Peary's papers are in our donated materials. Before Peary Stafford set off, Harriet Chalmers Adams, the first president of the Society of Women Geographers, presented her with the Society's flag. This voyage marked the first time the flag was carried on an expedition. Today, we'll hear more about the Society of Women Geographers and its intrepid members. The flag first carried to Greenland in 1932 later went to the depths of the ocean and into space, each time marking a contribution to the world's store of knowledge. Women scientists and explorers before the Society's founding and after have used their intellectual curiosity to enlarge our understanding of the world. I'm looking forward to this opportunity to learn more about them from Jane Zagline. Joining the conversation today is Carolyn Torkelson, president of the Society of Women Geographers. Her passions are sharing the history of women explorers in the natural world, especially astronomy, and she's worked at science museums and various federal agencies. Our guest author, Jane Zagline, is passionate about publicizing the accomplishments of women ignored by history and chronicling the challenges women face today. She's an avid researcher and has won more than 20 awards for her scholarship. For the girl explorers, she conducted extensive archival research and visited a dozen countries. Now let's hear from Jane Zagline. Thank you for joining us today. Welcome to the National Archives webinar on the Girl Explorers. I'm Caroline, also known as Sifie Torkelson. I'm the president in 2021 of the Society of Women Geographers, which is a great honor. And a little bit just about me is I'm a geographer, cartographer, I have a GIS background. I'm a dark sky proponent interested in astronomy. And I've worked for several government agencies, mostly natural resources, including the EPA and the Forest Service and the Peace Corps, and at two science museums. So I'm interested in museums as well. And I found out about any pack while I was working on my thesis in Master's, when I was working on my Master's degree. And she was one of the members of the Society of Women Geographers. And so after I wrote my thesis, I started writing a book about her and I'm following the footsteps of her, kind of a travel log plus following her footsteps. So that's kind of my connection. And now let me introduce Jane Zanglein. She is an author who is passionate about publicizing the accomplishments of women that have been ignored in history and chronicling the challenges that women face today. So her book is called, it's a brand new book, it's called The Girl Explorers. And it features women explorers from the 1920s and the early days of the Society of Women Geographers and then documents the history up until today. And she has a fabulous website about her book too and about all these women explorers and what's going on today. And Jane has a background in law. She's an emeritus professor at the Western Carolina University. And she is also, she did a dispute and resolution and negotiation in China in 2019. And she traveled to 58 countries. So let me now begin our question and answers. Jane, how did you find out about the Society of Women Geographers? Okay. So I didn't know about them before I started writing the book. I discovered them while I was researching the author Blair Niles. She was one of the founders of the Society and I was very intrigued with her. I wanted to write a book about women explorers. And I found out that in 1910, she traveled around the world with her husband, William Beebe. He worked for the Bronx Zoo and they traveled 50,000 miles in two years looking for every species of pheasants in Asia. So I researched her by going to a lot of archives. I went to the Virginia Historical Society, Princeton University's Rare Book Manuscript Division, the Howard Gottlieb Library at Boston University, the Harry Ransom Center, which is where this picture is from. It's a picture of Blair and a prisoner on Devil's Island.  But it was from the Harry Ransom Center, which is at the University of Texas, and also the Wildlife Conservation Society, which is at the Bronx Zoo. So I discovered that the pheasant expedition took a toll on her marriage. And when they returned to the United States, she and her husband, she actually kind of arranged to have their new home be next to this guy that she really liked. And then she had an affair with him. And then she traveled to Reno to get a divorce. And once she had that divorce, she was free to travel and do the things that she wanted to do, which was not pheasants and wasn't Asia, it was Latin America. And so I was reading about her, and then I discovered that in 1925, she met with a friend who was Marguerite Harrison. Marguerite Harrison, they had lunch together. Marguerite had recently returned from this filming of this movie called Grass, and this is a photograph from that movie. She and her filmmaker and the director traveled for seven weeks through Persia, which is now Iran. They accompanied 50,000 Bakhtiari nomads as they guided their livestock, which were a half million cows, horses, goat, sheep across the hot Persian desert and across six mountain ranges to their winter pastures. Well, when they met, they talked about a lot of things, like the fact that the media always asked women explorers things like, do you wear makeup? What kind of clothes do you wear? Do you have any love interests? And so Blair was really excited to be talking to another explorer about these type of questions and the difficulties they face when they were traveling. And so they both kind of simultaneously agreed that there was need for the Society of Women geographers. Blair said, men have organizations where explorers can meet and receive help and inspiration from each other. Women need such a society. So they started the society and within seven years, they had 200 members all around the world. And when I was researching those members, I went to the Library of Congress because that's where the society's records are kept. So I researched the society in the 1920s and 30s and 40s and you've got a better grasp on them today. So when I was researching them, one of the primary objectives was to give women a place to network. That was really important to them with other women when they returned from an expedition. So how does the Society of Women Geographers meet that objective today and especially during a pandemic? So there's many things that we do. So just getting right into the pandemic now, we have Zoom sessions for members which are all around the world. And so people can just, there's ones where you just kind of chat and enjoy things and other ones where they're more focused and have topics so people can get to know each other. And also webinars, when people come back from flag expeditions or whatever or they're maybe doing some research and they want to present it, they'll do webinars and the webinars are available to the public as well off our website, they're always recorded. We have a Facebook site that's open to the public. We have a newsletter that has all the activities that everybody's been working on and updates. And of course, well, now it's old-fashioned, but email. People also email back and forth. And there are local groups, there's chapters. So there's like a New York chapter, a DC chapter, one in Florida, one in Chicago. And so even during this time, they can do a little bit of social distancing and go for walks and things like that. And then every three years, we have what's called a triennial, which moves around the country. And so everybody can attend those. But of course, right now, we can't do that because of the pandemic. And also, there used to be a yearly meeting also in Paris for the people that are in Europe. So hopefully those will come back. And then this fall, we're going to have an award ceremony for some people that in our organization that are going to receive awards. And then we have also people doing fellowships right now. And so we're still giving money out for fellowships. And so these women are also being connected with all of the members. And then hopefully, a lot of them have become members or will become members after they do their research. That's great. I went to a couple of the webinars. I went to the one today on COVID. I did too. Yes, it was very good. It's like, I want to travel when we travel. I know. Exactly. OK, so I have a question for you. And I probably know the answer. But what early member is your favorite and why? Yeah. I've got to say Blair. Blair Niles. Blair is my favorite. Yeah. She is, I became fascinated with her. And the reason that I became fascinated with her is that she was a southern belle. She was born and raised on a plantation. And yet she became an advocate for black people. And I thought that was remarkable in the 1920s and 30s. And really, I became kind of obsessed. Like, why did she do this? She wrote books. This picture is from her book Black Haiti. Black Haiti, the subtitle is something like America's Eldest Daughter.  And how that happened and how people were faring in Haiti under the American occupation. That was in the mid-1920s. And really, a very remarkable subject, I thought. And also, several other members of the Society of Women geographer, Zonia Barber, who was a geologist. She also worked in Haiti doing a report for the World Peace Organization, maybe, on how people were faring in Haiti. The next book she wrote was Columbia, Land of Miracles. And Blair actually came up with this new style of travel writing. And she viewed travel writing as a biography. And she wrote a lot of biographies and fictional biographies. But she wanted to explain drama without. She wanted to explain the history about a country in a dramatic fashion, not like drama that we think of today, but in a way that was very engaging. And so what she'd do, she'd come up with these questions she had. And the question for this book was about this patron saint of slaves, that's San Pedro Claver. It's a patron saint of slaves. And he baptized 300,000 slaves in 1600. Well, the question she had is, why would you baptize them? Why wouldn't you just fight to get them to be free? And so that was the premise of her book, like why would he do that? And so it's a pretty engaging book. And then the next book that she wrote that I thought was remarkable, considering that she grew up on a plantation with freed slaves, was East by Day, which was about the Amistad mutiny. And she chronicled the mutiny as it was occurring. And then she had her main character have this love interest with one of the attorneys who was working on the case. And so then she talked about the Supreme Court's decision that slaves were not property. So my question in doing my research, I guess it kind of paralleled what Blair was doing. I was trying to figure out what motivated her to do this. And I found out that her grandfather was Roger Atkinson Pryor. And he was a representative in the House of Representatives. And he represented Virginia. And he was the person in Congress who came up with the phrase that we know today, which is irreconcilable conflict. That it's an irreconcilable conflict that Congress has with respect to the issue of slavery will never resolve it. And so when Lincoln was elected president, they actually had he threatened to kill Lincoln.  So they kind of made fun of him. But after the election, he traveled down to South Carolina. And in South Carolina, he gave this speech that was a pivotal speech according to the New York Times. It was a speech that asked, you know, why did that ask, would South Carolina please secede from the nation? Because Virginia is very old and she's very slow. But if you secede, we will secede as well. That word of that got back to the Confederate president, Jefferson Davis, and then he declared war. And then Roger Atkinson prior was actually, given the opportunity, it was called the honor, to become the person who fired the first gun of the Civil War. And he said no. He said no. Later on, when Blair was in college, he actually regretted all his decisions and he became a judge in New York. But I think as a result of that, Blair's Nile's mother was extremely liberal. She was extremely liberal. She actually had a school she had in her house for the former slaves and the neighborhood kids because there was no school for them back then. So I was interested in why Blair became an advocate for the marginalized and oppressed. And I think that was the reason her family history, she had to atone for it in some way. And she also believed it was so wrong that she didn't do that. I also tended to like the really brazen outspoken women. Anna Taylor was one of them. I went down to the South Carolina library and read her diaries. She's a real trip. But she was a leader in the Charleston Renaissance art movement. And she actually worked with Blair's ex-husband in British Guiana as a scientific artist. Another favorite is Ellen Lamott, who was a gay nurse. And she tended wounded soldiers in France. And she wrote unflinchingly about the horrors of war. So unflinchingly that her book, The Backwash of War, got censored and without for a few months. And then it was censored because they didn't want to hear any bad things about the war. Later on it came back to be republished. So she met Gertrude Stein. And Gertrude kind of had a crush on her. And they talked about her book. She gave a copy of her book to Gertrude, who then gave it to Ernest Hemingway and told him that he should write like Ellen. And so just really spare powerful writing. And the last person, there are so many more, but I'll stop here is Annie Peck, who was a mountaineer that you have followed. So I'll kind of turn it over to you. Because Annie Peck, she was a real outspoken woman. Yes, she was. So what were your experience? And how has your perception of Annie changed now that you're following in the footsteps of her? Well, going through South America, I just thought about how tenacious she was. So she was and how she kept changing her life. She started out as an archaeologist. And she went to school in Greece. So I went to visit the school in Greece where she went to school, which is still there. And she was the first woman in the school. But the school had really been just created a few years before she arrived there in the 1890s. And she got her degree there, because she really wanted to do what her brother did. She wanted to go and teach Greek at a level at the university. But this was not really very possible for her at the time. So then she started lecturing. And then she moved on to doing mountaineering. She just saw the Matterhorn and fell in love with it and decided she wanted to climb the Matterhorn. So I went to see the Matterhorn. And I went to the library there to interview the fellow that runs the museum there and learned a little bit about the history of her there. And so that was really amazing to see the Matterhorn. I'm not a climber, but I went up partway. I'm a haker, so I could at least see what she was experiencing. And then I went to where the hut was that she stayed at that had just been torn down. And they had just redone it. But just thinking about how strong she had to be in this era when women were supposedly supposed to be at home. And she was doing this all as a single woman, too. And her family didn't approve of all this, but she did it anyway. And she was determined to go her own way. And then she switched over.  So she climbed in Mexico. And then she climbed in South America, hoping to find the highest peak that there was there. And at the time, she first attempted Mount Surrata, then realized maybe Mount Wasgaran would be taller. So that became her obsession. And it took her six times to climb it, mostly because she had companions that didn't appreciate having a female leader. And she had no money. So it was always a challenge for her. But she did it. And in 1908, she climbed Mount Wasgaran. And she's then quite, she's older. She's in her 50s. And so before that, though, when she was going on her way to Mount Surrata, she climbed Mount El Misti. And so I thought, well, I can climb that. I can do that. So I did. I went and I climbed El Misti. So I was just thinking about how in her era, how they took donkeys partway up. And people aren't really using donkeys so much today. And she would have gone by sea to Araquipa, where I flew. And later in life, she also flew in small airplanes to the same route. Oh, yeah, 20,000 miles around South America. Exactly. She was the first tourist. She wanted to show how easy it is to travel around South America. Because now, while she was mountaineering, she discovered she just loved Latin America. And so she tried to promote relations between the two continents, North America and South America, and promote geographic education and try to connect us better. And so this was one of, and she wrote a guidebook on South America, and also more of an industrial, commercial kind of book, too, for businessmen. So then I went up to the area where Mount Wascoan is to see the mountain. And I tricked up a bit. I didn't climb it, but I could look up and I could kind of see through the clouds all these huge glaciers. And so just thinking about how she did this.  So I'm traveling with a man. I'm traveling in this era where it's more acceptable, of course, for women to travel. I can wear pants and be comfortable. She was traveling in long dresses as a single woman, trying to find her way in a country that was not, I mean, today it's not as exploration. Back then, it was really a true adventure for her. And so she would come by sea. And now she came over the Black Mountains. So I took a bus up the top of the ridge of the Black Mountains and trekked down, where she would have trekked over from the sea using donkeys, which she did, and walking along. So I'd see those differences. And then just thinking, but thinking the landscape is probably very similar. And maybe even some of the indigenous people, it's a very similar scene to when she was there. And then I also went to see her grave in Providence. And I went to see the last apartment complex that she lived in in New York City, too. But I also talk about in my story, it's a travelogue to some of the places I went that she did not, but might have liked to go to. Like I climbed Kilimanjaro. I thought that might have been an exciting thing for her. She wanted to climb Mount Everest. I mean, she had grand goals. I mean, no women back then were even thinking this, but she was. So I went to Nepal and did some trekking. So I was thinking about her there, how she would have really enjoyed that, too. So I kind of interweaved the story with her. But yeah, she was amazing because she never married. She did this all on her own, always struggling financially. And then she died at about age 85. But right before she died, she wanted to go back and see the grease because it was so important to her. So she went back, but she didn't continue around the world. She wanted to see the whole world because she was feeling ill and then moved. I went back to the East Coast and soon after that died. But Blair Niles was one of her friends and was there almost on her deathbed when she was sick. And she writes about that in her Peruvian pageant book that Blair Niles wrote, which has a couple of really interesting pieces in there about Annie Peck, who was a good friend to hers. Yeah, I remember the 83rd birthday party with 83 candles. I'm the cake. And Blair, of course, was a master of publicity. So she had the newspaper cameraman there to snap a picture. And Annie was one of the, she was the oldest member of SWG because this was kind of the end of her era and the new women were creating all this exploration group. They didn't have that in her era. So she was the oldest member. So yeah. They called her Ms. Peck out of courtesy, out of respect. Well, what early members of the society would you like to know more about besides Annie? Well, there's so many. I mean, just from your book, I learned about a whole many more that I did not know about. But I would say Dorothy Bennett would be one. She's from Minnesota, as I am. And she got a degree in English and then she studied astronomy and anthropology. And one of my interests is also astronomy. And she wrote the Golden Guide books to all the different topics. And the astronomy one, when I was a child, that's what got my interest in astronomy. And she was a curator at the Hayden Planetarium. And then she was also a curator at the Berkeley Museum of Anthropology. And so I'm very fascinated by her. And another one is Catherine Barrett, who she traveled in the Himalaya with her husband, Robert Barrett, who was a geographer. And in Patagonia, but first before that, she wrote books for children. And then the two of them, I mean, she had a beautiful writer, which I guess that's one reason I liked her, but her and her husband went to Tenerife and they stayed in a canvas tent for a few months while they wrote this book about traveling in the Himalayas. She's fascinating. And then another lady I learned about from your book is Elise Boestemann, who has beautiful paintings under the sea. And I would really like to learn more about her too. I would too, I would too.  Oh, wow. I love the fact that she wrote, she did these spectacular pictures, especially of bioluminescence and fish. Yeah, she was amazing. I, she's at the top of my list. Okay, so what surprises did you uncover in your research? Yeah, I found a lot of trivia. I could do a whole little book on trivia about society of women geographers. I learned that Helen Candy, who studied tapestries, she was on the Titanic when it sank and she lived to tell that story. In fact, the story she wrote about it became the love story in the movie Titanic.  So Helen Candy. I loved all the women who worked with William Beebe. This is a picture of Gloria Hollister, who was a marine biologist and Jocelyn Crane, who studied crabs. And then in the center is William Beebe, who's Blair's ex-husband. I found out that a lot of women from the society would go down and visit them at the research stations. I guess they were kind of fun places to go vacation and hang out with other members of the Society of Women Geographers. Delia Ackley. I loved her because she kind of has a sad story. She and her husband, Carl Ackley, who's a famous big game hunter who did all the elephants in the Museum of Natural History. She found this monkey on one of their expeditions and she fell in love with this monkey. I mean, so much that her husband would write her notes of, dear, could you please love me more than the monkey? And she brought him home to their Manhattan penthouse of apartments and the monkey was a terror. And Carl couldn't deal with it anymore. So finally he divorced her. I thought it was interesting that so many of the women geographers got divorced at the time when it was scandalous. So Delia though then was one of the, she was a very good game hunter. And so after her divorce, it surprisingly and to their credit, the Brooklyn Museum asked her to go on expeditions and get more specimens for them. So she managed to do very well despite the fact that she was divorced and no longer attached to her husband's identity. Gloria Hollister, who could not love a woman who walks on the bottom of the ocean with that big copper helmet on their head. And she was the first woman to go down in the bath sphere around submersible that got lifted into the ocean by a winch. And I have to say to their credit, the National Archives supported the preservation of her papers at the Wildlife Conservation Society, which might be one of the reasons that we have this photograph. Marguerite Harrison, she became a newspaper reporter because she wanted to go to Europe during the World War I. And then she found out that the Baltimore Sun wouldn't send her, so she approached the government and they sent her there as a spy. And she was captured and spent about a year in the Lubionka prison. A lot of the women, members of the Society of Women Geographers had good relationships with the president. That might be in part because Theodore Roosevelt was an explorer, but a lot of them visited the White House. It also helped that Eleanor Roosevelt became a member. And she became friends with Teata, who was a Chickasaw interpretive dancer and storyteller. And she invited Teata to the White House to perform for British dignitaries to show them what American culture was about. And then Francis Perkins and Francis Oldham Kelsey. I think this is kind of strange. They almost look like sisters, don't they? A little bit. When Roosevelt became president, Blair pressured Eleanor to convince FDR to hire the first female cabinet member. And he hired Francis Perkins for the Department of Labor. And then Francis Oldham Kelsey was also a member who worked for the FDA and she is the person who refused to approve that drug, thalidomide. So those are some of the trivia that I found out while I was doing the research. Yeah. So do you think the Society of Women Geographers is still relevant today since the Explorers Club now accepts women? Yes, absolutely. There's a place for women. There needs to be a place where women can network with other women explorers and scientists and artists outside the presence of men. I think that the Society gives women a place to support each other and that's very important. Our picture is kind of covering that newspaper article, but it says, don't take a woman with you when you go exploring, which was what the president of the Explorers Club, Roy Chapman Andrews, whose picture there, said when he was the president and in 1932. In 1981, Carl Sagan wrote a letter to all the members of the Society because women were still not allowed to join. So he said, when our organization was formed in 1905, men were preventing women from voting and pursuing many occupations for which they are clearly suited. In the popular mind, exploration was not what women did. Even so, women have played a significant but unheralded role in the history of exploration. And then he went on to say that's covered that today women are making extraordinary contributions in areas that are of fundamental importance to our organization. And he pointed out, and I'm gonna mention these from left to right, Mary Leakey, archeologist. The middle is Jane Goodall. And then at the right is Catherine Sullivan. And he mentioned that all those women were important and should be members of the Society. And then, so he convinced the directors to actually hold the vote on it. And the directors and the president had no expectation whatsoever that the members would vote to include women, but they did and shocking to the president and so they invited a bunch of women including Catherine Sullivan, astronaut, to join. And I thought what was remarkable was that first she joined the Society of Women Geography. And today it's kind of sad but the Los Angeles Adventurers Club still does not admit women. And I think that the importance of the Society of the Women Geographers is that as long as there's discrimination against women, explorers, scientists, artists, people who travel and study countries, and that's so rife in areas, remote areas like the Arctic and Antarctica, where men can do horrendous things to women and really stifle them, their careers, there's always gonna be a need for the Society of Women Geographers until those male bastions are crushed, so yes. I agree. And let's see, we're gonna speed it up a little for our time. Yeah, okay, so you wanna ask the question? Oh, yeah, yeah. So what's the status of the Society of Women Geographers today and who are their prominent members? Well, today the organization is going strong. There's about 400 members of all sorts of amazing women. I would have to say all of them are just wonderful and they all are so accomplished and in many fields from science to the environment to art, but I would mention a few here that are very prominent. Of course, I don't know if this picture is Sylvia Earle, but it could be, she's one of the ones I was gonna mention. And of course, she's known for her underwater exploration and her mission blue to help preserve the oceans. And she was the first female chief of NOAA as part of her career too. And you mentioned Catherine Sullivan. She was the first woman to walk in space and also the first woman to go to Challenger Deep, which was just last year. So she's had two amazing firsts and Jane Goodall. And of course, we all know who she is, but she's still going strong in conservation and trying to help the world. And Arlene Blum, she is a Mountaineer. She was one of a couple of the first female expeditions to Annapurna One and to Denali. And so these are, I would say, like some of the more prominent ones, but of course, we're doing plague expeditions. There's one starting out in pretty soon and there's one out there right now, but I don't need to, I won't go into all that if we don't have time here, but yeah, okay. Okay, so we're gonna skip my questions about the fun part, but it was all fun anyway. And wrap it up. So I'd like to thank you, Carolyn Sippy, for joining me on this webinar. And thank you so much, Jane. Yeah, this was wonderful. And thank everybody for attending and hopefully everyone enjoys this and thanks to the National Archives too. Yes, thank you very much.