Now we have a really interesting topic I want to kind of spend the rest of our show with you on and this is the concept of a thrift store you're opening a thrift store I want to hear all about it. I also want to start with the question. Where was this as a part of your master plan. And what happened with the pandemic. Is this something that you came up with or during the pandemic. Give us some background on this. Great. Yeah, so this has been probably around three years in the making. So it's not a pandemic decision. No, no, which, you know, putting it out there. This is quite the undertaking. This should not be a pandemic decision. But not like the nonprofit show. That should be a pandemic decision which I'm so glad that it is. So our thrift store which is named Sophie's thrift which is named after our our shelter dog who recently passed away from cancer but so we have Sophie's thrift store which benefits the Licking County Humane Society that is opening up here at the end of the summer. But the process has been something else to kind of do this we've been looking really within the last five years or so we've been looking for additional revenue streams. Because we have been expanding so much and we really do you know our tagline is is more than a shelter we want to be more than a shelter to our community offering spay and neuter offering wellness clinics. But that costs money and so we were looking for different revenue streams and we started to work with a consultant that particularly, you know, focuses on thrift stores for nonprofit benefit. And so it has been, you know, about three years working with the consultant to find the perfect space. And even just to do the research to see whether or not would work here where we are. Exactly. Yeah, because if you're, you know, surrounded by a bunch of different thrift stores it's it might not be the best best pick but it, it all panned out for us and we are today, we are taking our box truck that we just got and putting our first load of shipments into the thrift store that hopefully will become an additional revenue stream so we can continue that mission of trying to save as many animal lives as possible. And it helps our community right and so not only are we helping animals and helping our communities animals in the process but we're providing another, you know, another space for lower cost clothes home goods furniture for our community that, you know, truly desperately needs that additional retail space, and we're doing it through using reusable items so, you know, outlining our environmental commitment to so it was, it was kind of a no brainer once we got all that research together and figured out that this this is actually feasible. I love the diversion to the landfill initiative as well I know it's not ever really the number one priority, but that is a secondary benefit that speaks volumes you know it's been really nice. I live in a community where there's a couple of streets that if I were to drive down it's kind of like McDonald's or Starbucks you go about a mile and there's just thrift stores everywhere. And most of them of course benefiting you know having that social impact back into the organization. I'm curious with this one in particular. Is it attached to your location is it out and you know into another area and what is kind of the size and I don't know like tell us a little bit about what you're looking to do with it. Absolutely. So we, we looked at a bunch of different options do we build a barn and call it Sophie's thrift you know right next to our shelter, you know, we really had this open, open view of what it could possibly be. But then, literally this space kind of dropped in our laps where it is, it's removed from the shelter but only about five minutes away. It's part of a. It's part of a, you know retail shopping center. And actually, it was a big lots location that separated out into a couple of different places. So right it's perfect for retail and we have about, I don't know maybe, you know, two thirds of a traditional big lots area so it's. That's big restore. Yeah. But that's what our community needed. We are so blessed to have, you know, our community support us that we were able to do this to within our price point because we had to be judicious of what place we were going the least to be able to actually make this happen and truly meet our mission to raise money for the shelter. But that's what it's going to look like so we are opening up a big honking thrift store here at the end of the summer and it's, it's been a labor of love but it's been a labor it's been a lot. It's hard to open up. Yeah, we know that. I'm curious sorry Julia is there any programming that will also be done at this thrift store. I'm thinking of another organization that you know they do training in their gift shop it's not. They have a charity but it's not you know, and I wonder if there will be any programming done in the store. And that's a great thing about having your own store is you can do whatever you know you you'd really like in the limits of the shopping centers you know, concerns but yes we hope to have adoption events there. That would be the ideal thing and particularly you know it gives us other space in order to do to do different partnerships with our community to you know so perhaps we have a featured item or featured section or something along those lines. We also have one of those really cool, like old school display windows like you would see back in the day and those big department stores we have one of those cool display windows. So that gives us limit less, you know, option of even you know putting a kitten or two in there for you know a couple of hours and and having folks see those adoptable animals. That's the first thing that kind of came to mind, but I think there really are so many options that we could, we could use this space for. Now how are you going to navigate the aspect of volunteers and there's so much sorting in a retail environment not only, you know the bringing in items but merchandising them, managing it, dealing with shortage, all of those things. I'm assuming just off the top of my head it's about a six to 8000 square foot space. It's pretty large yeah yeah and so we're going to need to have a lot. Yes, yeah. So how's that working for you. The really interesting thing is we we approach this by reaching out to people reaching out to our community and even our current volunteers. You know we know that working with animals is very fun, but it can be tough for a lot of people and it can particularly be tough with you know allergies or what have you. So this is a great opportunity for those folks who love what we're doing for the pets for our community, but and want to support us some way. And then volunteer at the thrift store. We also have a number of volunteers that that are younger in age that are looking for these kind of, you know retail business focused experiences. And so that's been a neat way so I think that's been our approach is kind of saying well what what type of folks would want to volunteer at this location that might be a little bit different as the reasons to why they would want to volunteer at the shelter and we've tried to to market in that way to those folks in our community. Brilliant. Wow, interesting so how many, what are the hours like how many hours a week are you going to be open do you know. We're a retail store we are it's which is surprising not a lot of, you know, humane society or even nonprofit thrift stores are open every day we're going to be open every day Monday through Saturday it's going to be from 10 to eight I think it is. And then Sunday from noon to six. That is a commitment. Wow, those are lots of hours. It's a commitment. But you know we have we have such a space we have such a large space, and we have received so much feedback from our community of folks who want to support us through donations that if we have the if we have the goods, we're going to stay open so people can can get those at an affordable price so we'll cross our fingers but that's what we're starting off with we're jumping in. I'm proud of you. Are you thinking that this is going to be a primary source of revenue for you or what are you looking at, in terms of the percent to total of what you can be, what you're going to be looking at because this is not without costs I mean 100% right so people will likely be able to find here within, I think it's starting year two will be able to start to see some increase in our, you know, shelter revenue, you know, thanks to the thrift store. In the long run we're hoping that it will be about half of what we are bringing in through grants and sponsorships and donations now. I mean that's our that's our dream, right. We'll see how that goes. You're really leaning into this I mean you're really seeing that this is going to be your primary cultivation within your community then. Yeah, because it really does allow us to stay local in that way, if that makes sense right so we're able to find additional red revenue by also being such an integral part of our community, which, of course we we love our grantors and we're going to continue to ask for that because we still have that story to tell that we need those certain like medical needs costs and so on but this is much an undertaking and with what a, you know, hopeful like pillar it's really going to be in our community. We want to reap those reap those benefits as much as we possibly can because when it all comes back to it it's it's Sophie's it's you know our shelter dogs thrift store who we cared for, you know, for her entire time here with all of her medical medical concerns, and we need a thrift store so we can continue to do that for as many animals as possible for other Sophie's absolutely Sophie's and that diversification of revenue is so critical, but also I see it as the diversification of awareness and outreach to the community. Over the course of this episode and I have a feeling we went back and watched the other one that's been almost a year ago now. I have really reiterated what the community needs and so it is so proven in what you're sharing that, you know, this wasn't a pandemic decision this has been a long haul a heavy lift, a lot of energy and resources and into the viability of this diverse, diverse revenue stream. And I love hearing that there's so many opportunities. I've had the privilege of working with other organizations that have a thrift store or something similar. And the opportunities are just unbridled when it looks you know when you look at that kind of opportunity, I'm using that word again but you know there's there's ways to share your, your vision and your mission along the walls and then branding and signage on the receipt your point of sale. Hopefully you know there's a round up opportunity that you know if it's whatever it is you can add the rest to to round it up to a dollar that will go towards medical expenses. So all of this ties back to, you know, to the organization. And that's what I've been geeking out about, you know, as a communication professional and especially one who who's very visual. Oh my gosh I've loved to do I've loved developing the that that signage that's going to go around. It will be so clear that the purchases that they're making today are feeding shelter animals the purchases they're making today are providing shelter for homeless pets in our community. So that mission will not go unnoticed.


Well, the biggest thing this year that we're excited about is just the team's about four times as large as it's ever been. And the big class, you know, it brings its own problems, but at the same time it brings like, it's a new energy, which is really nice. We're trying some new things, both character-wise and team-building-wise, that we haven't been able to do in the past. And we're doing some sets and some intensity that, again, we haven't been able to do in the past. So I think the 25 new freshmen that we have have really brought on some great, great energy for us. And I really have some high expectations, some high hopes for this year. The funny thing about our returners this year is it's as much of a culture shock for them as it has been for the incoming freshmen, you know, going from a team of eight and now up to 32, it's been absolutely incredible, the new energy that they have there. You can feel it both on deck and in the spectator stance.  Well, the goal always for our team is to, you know, just to progress, to get a little bit better every single year, to come to practice with great attitude with the spirit of what can we do to get, you know, a little bit better today. You know, it's kind of that 1% mentality. We're going to get 1% better today. So at the end of the season, we're that much closer to our goals, we're that much better as an individual. Finish-wise, you know, it would be nice to be in the top 10. I would love to see this team rise into the top 10. If we're going to stretch it out, I would love to see, you know, make us break the top five overall as a team in the conference championship. But it's going to be a long road. There's going to be a lot of hills and valleys along the way. And I hope to, you know, work hard as we rise up the first hill and then ride the next plane as long as we can, you know, at the end of the season, you know, hoping to have some really good detailed and fast swimming. And you know, just again, the overall energy and excitement is phenomenal on the deck right now. And I'm really hoping that pays off when it comes to our big meet in about five months now. Well, we have a great meet at the end of our season where we get to a quad meet against Messiah, who's been the top of the conference on the women's side, Stevens, who has both men and women top of the conference. And then York College, who is always top three, top four since they've joined the Mac. So that's our last meet of the year, which would be a lot of very, very challenging meet for us. The other one I'm really looking forward to is our St. Mary's McDaniel matchup, which is an out of conference matchup, but they come with some great experience and speed from different conferences. So it's really nice to be able to have that. And of course, this weekend is nice to lead off with Salisbury. I mean, their program has risen way above expectations from previous years. So we're in for a great challenge this weekend. But we have some really great matchups this year. And really our focus as a team right now is actually on our December invite meet, which is the Randolph-Macon yellow jacket invite where we get to swim against a bunch of Division II and Division III colleges and a gorgeous facility, really fast meet. And I'm excited to see what they do there. So really everything that we do from today on is really just in preparation for that first with our Mac championship in the back of our mind.


Hey Psych2Go family, we are so grateful for all of the love and support that you give us. Our mission is to make psychology more accessible to everyone. Now, let's begin. Small mistakes can make or break a first impression. People make up their minds very quickly, and once their minds are made up, once you've made a bad impression, it's difficult to undo the damage you've done. Luckily, you can learn how to make a better first impression, but first, you have to figure out what you're doing wrong. So let's talk about 10 common mistakes that are ruining your first impressions right off the bat. 1. You show up late. Have you ever waited around wondering if someone was going to show up? Or are you the one who often shows up late? Tardiness will instantly ruin any first impression. By showing up late, you're sending the other person a message. That message says, my time is worth more than yours. Not only is that disrespectful, they can also be incredibly frustrating. To avoid being late, it's better to start your journey early. 2. You forget their name. Have you ever forgotten someone's name? This bad habit destroys any first impression. They may have just introduced themselves. You may have heard their name 10 seconds ago, but somehow their name slipped in one ear and out the other. Here's a trick to make sure this never happens to you. When someone introduces themselves, say their name right back to them. When they say, hi, I'm Jamie, you respond, hi Jamie, it's nice to meet you. By repeating their name out loud, you're not only improving your memory, you're showing this person that you're both present and attentive. 3. You use filler words. First impressions can be nerve-wracking. You want someone to like you, but all that pressure can take its toll. Do you often use filler words like um, uh, and like? How often do you rely on these words to fill the pause in your sentences?  Think about what you want to say, and remember, there's nothing wrong with taking your time. 4. You interrupt people repeatedly. Are you mindful of when and how you speak? Do you interrupt people frequently? Interrupting someone can shatter a first impression. It's important to give others time and space to express their ideas. When you talk over someone, you're conveying that your words are more important than theirs. 5. You avoid eye contact. How often do you make eye contact? Eye contact is one of the most important pieces of body language, especially when making a first impression. It shows someone that you're confident, attentive, and interested. Eye contact forges stronger bonds and allows people to connect on a deeper level. If you spend the whole conversation staring at the floor, you may want to change your body language. A lack of eye contact could be ruining your first impressions. 6. You only talk about yourself. You spend too much time talking about yourself. Many people do this without even realizing it.  If you're always focused on yourself, it isn't fun or fair to the other person. It's okay to talk about yourself sometimes, but every conversation should go both ways. 7. You answer your phone during a conversation. When you get a text message in the middle of a conversation with someone, do you respond to it right away or later? Calling and texting in the middle of a conversation tells people that they don't have your full attention and that can ruin any first impression. 8. You complain too much. When you meet someone for the first time, complaining too much can be a deal-breaker. Let's say you keep complaining about an ex to someone during your first date. They might think that sooner or later, you're going to complain about them too. On the flip side, when you change your perspective and view bad situations as learning opportunities, others will see you as both mature and constructive. 9. You tell long stories. Long-winded stories can sink any first impression. If you ramble on for 20 minutes, people are going to lose interest. They're going to wonder why you're talking so much about yourself. Keep your stories brief and punchy. That way, you can get your point across without boring the other person. And 10. You don't ask questions. As bragging, help or hurt your first impression. You don't make a positive impression by explaining why you're great. You make a positive impression by forming a connection with someone. Make an effort to learn about them. Make an interest in their job, their passions, and their dreams. If you want to make a great first impression, ask plenty of questions. Have you ever made a really bad first impression? Do you make any of the mistakes on this list? If so, what do you plan to do differently? Let us know in the comments section below. Don't forget to click the like button, subscribe to Psych2Go, and hit the notification icon for more psychology content. And as always, thanks for watching.


Now you want to tell them where we're going. We're going to get two Where are we going to get a puppy? Okay, so I've wanted a burn a doodle forever a mini one and I I found one 25 minutes away from the house and then we go to see it right and there's two and I fell in love with one and Matt fell in love with the other one. Obviously we're getting the one I wanted, but Obviously We might be getting both. What do you think baby one or two? It's definitely both We're gonna we'll be having two puppies for sure. I've already adjusted my lifestyle for two more puppies Fulbers getting a sister Yeah, women driving great idea guys I was in the lane and Matt was like Don't you have to turn right? Why are you in this line? Don't you have to turn right? Got so mad and I was like I can turn right he was like, oh, oh None of that happened. Oh my god There's an elderly woman crossing the road. I said L you have to stop you can't run her over and she goes oops I didn't know We're gonna get a puppy Luna is getting a sister for sure. Maybe a brother. We don't know but what was it like two months ago? I was like, oh my gosh in eight months.  So it's basically just a burn a noodle, but the max size is gonna be like 35 40 pounds We're on our way to go pick her up. We already Already named the girl. How do you want to tell her the name? Her name is Nova, and we've already got her nickname. She's Nova scosh Scosh But all right. Yeah, we're a little hungover, but we're making a work. We're surviving So another little update is we're looking at a house actually out in this area Somewhere like this with a ton of land because we want to build our own custom football field So we're up in like Cape Creek carefree, but currently we're in like Scottsdale, and it's just so pretty out here either way We're officially one minute away from Nova Scotch How excited are you for Nova Scotch? I'm so excited.  He's he's very good boy. We know we're getting Nova, but I it's like you get here And you just have to get another one Oh Williams you want to hold a puppy?   Oh Okay, yeah, well, I'm gonna Papa do you need a bath look at mr. He's gonna show again You can't have that Nova scoche you have a brother and a sister. I told you we're gonna It's impossible man. I'm out of peer pressure.  I literally thought about the rest of my life literally the rest of my life every time I was taking care of Nova. I would have said oppa doesn't have a home right now. Like what's off of doing? I Luna Luna's in for a quiet the surprise Okay, I'm just gonna give him such a good life. I'll just be crying for no reason, bro. You step on it and she's like I Cannot look at that other one. I need to get out of here I knew if I got a boy dog a name of oppa, but then I got Luna and then Nova. I thought I'd never have an oppa But now I do Just got home, we're gonna go see foobies first ever reaction to her new siblings You can go explore now I Just give her a cheese at her favorite food she legitimately smacked it away Hey She's so over and on Luna that was we got Sweet girl, you are the sweetest little girl She's already have 15 nicknames.  I mean you're not wrong But you didn't have to say it We are four or five hours in to having the puppies now they have been 1,000 times better than when Luna was a puppy. It's not even close the doggy doors really helpful They have each other which is awesome We just took like a hour nap like they just want to snuggle they snuggle with each other.  Hi guapa. I globe a glowsha Nobody glowshe's the absolute best thing is Luna is totally coming around She is starting to like treat them really well and be very happy and you can see her right now Okay guys, that's the vlog oppa and Nova are two mini Bernadio puppies newest members of the family I can't wait for them to be more videos and wow, it's gonna be awesome time. So hey, I love you guys Thanks for watching as always more vlogs coming soon. I appreciate you guys. Peace


Kia ora, my name's Tim, and welcome to another episode of UOA Weekly here from the Kate Edgar Information Commons. UOA Weekly is your summary of what's on at the University of Auckland. Short episodes like this one will be published at the start of every week. For all students participating in the upcoming Auckland graduation ceremonies, information is available on the university's graduation page. Congratulations on reaching this milestone! Come along to meet women working in the industry and find out what it's like to work for Tonkin and Taylor while meeting like-minded students over a free morning tea. This event is happening in the Engineering Building at 10am on the Wednesday the 22nd of March. Come along with us on the 25th of March at 11am to Orkahu Bay to watch 10 teams take part in this year's Great Wakaama Race. Enjoy the day at the beach. Come learn more about Wakaama and cheer on your faculty and witness one of the most demanding sporting events of the university calendar. Come along to a Zumba class as part of the new Engineering Wellness Series. This is open to students from all faculties and will be held on Friday the 27th of March at 4pm. Check out the UOA events page for more information. Calling all postgraduate and doctoral researchers. Here is the opportunity to learn how to present your research. This workshop is a step-by-step on how to prepare, plan and present your research. Check out the research hub for more information. Come get moving and enjoy some fresh air in the middle of your day. Join us for a 30 to 45 minute walk each Wednesday lunchtime beginning outside the general library. To contribute to UOA weekly visit the form on the university website. That's all from us this week and Otto Honoui from me. If you'd like to learn more about the events discussed visit the What's On Guide on the university website.


What we did first with the agency, DDB, who's our creative partners, we actually went out and spoke to dozens and dozens of customers within this segment. People who would be buying cars, people who have bought cars, people who would become eligible or become prospects in the near future. And it's very interesting what we found out over there because we actually narrowed down our target segment to what we call as a bullseye target segment on the basis of this consumer work that we did. It's actually that turning point in a man's life where he is transitioning from let's say boyhood to adulthood or from adolescence to let's say a matured adult.  So it's about the time that he's beginning to think about getting married and therefore the need for a car that comes up. It's about telling his folks that he's now serious about life ahead and therefore the car becomes an enabler for him to demonstrate that to his parents and so on and so forth. So that's the target segment that we identified which we call as the 28-year-old turning point in a man's life from boyhood to adulthood. And that was the genesis from where the campaign idea developed and you've seen the creatives already are out. Tim came out of a lot of consumer interactions on what is the kind of relationships. We also saw a lot of the advertising in the category. There seemed to be a fair amount of husband, wife and family car kind of a thing and we said we needed to be a little different because you know getting lost in the sea of sameness was one of the barriers that we saw getting in over here and we found a father-son relationship to be a little unique because you had a lot of father, mother, son or man, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, etc. being used but the father-son was not really used in the category. So we took that and then we dived deeper to see what the kind of relationships people share and it's this son trying to prove to his dad that he's reached a certain maturity in his life and the father is constantly looking for these symbols or these signals to tell him that yes my son has reached a certain level of maturity or a certain expectation that the father has that the son is delivering. Well the response actually you know we've been a late entrant in the segment so the segment already had cars from virtually most of our competitors but one of the advantages coming in late is you can actually load the car with features that the other people don't have. This segment is pretty heavily a feature driven segment so what we did is took a lot of the features that were existing put that into a car and topped it up with a lot of what we call as segment first or class leading features that we brought into the car and and these are the things that that have that has worked well for us from the consumer response of the media response that we see as well as our dealers have been commenting on it. The second thing about the car is that a lot of people had commented before we embarked on this journey that the design of these cars would not seem to be too let's say with a fine degree of finesse in terms of a design and we understood that because it is challenging within a sub-formata to build what we call as a three box car it's tough but I think that was the challenge that we took on ourselves we got the best designers from our offices in Germany and we have this person down here who actually designed the car a person called Thilo Klum and it's fascinating how the response to the design itself has been so overwhelming that people have really appreciated how this car stands out from the rest of the cars in the category.


So, we went from like measuring baseline like saliva or blood and then correlating that with a behavior.  Well, I don't know if, for example, your levels change in preparation for this experiment. Like, this is fairly well-documented in the animal literature that there's the challenge hypothesis, which is exactly what it sounds like, that before you go in for a challenge, your body starts to produce testosterone in preparation. So, imagine like a UFC fighter or an athlete, it's a lot of work with like athletes, but it started in the animal literature showing that animals preparing for a fight would have these surges in testosterone, especially male to male combat, like bucks, ramming heads or whatever. What's really interesting is that after the conflict was settled, there'd be a winner and a loser. And you found that the winner would have a surgeon testosterone and the loser would have a drop in testosterone.  Isn't it crazy?  I know.  And so, there's this whole biological background to this study of like, you see in the animal literature, you see some evidence of it in the human literature, but like, how do we know what's causing what? Like, among people, there's lots of variability, there's like variability, seasonality, dams of the day. There's like a million things that could vary. So, we said, let's just make this very clean. There's a drug that came on the market. I think it was 2001 called Androgel. Just a gel and it just rubbed on your skin. It comes through your skin and it increases your testosterone levels. So, it was FDA approved in 2001 and then we said, well, let's use that. So we'll do a double blind study, medical grade, you know, we had a psychiatrist on the team. It was like very, you know, ethics approval, like a full bottom is taking the blood. It was like a medical grade lab study, basically. So we have groups that came in, they got that testosterone gel and groups that came in, they got placebo and we saw how it affected them. We even asked them what they thought they got. Did you think you got testosterone? How sure you are? None of that stuff predicted their behavior and they were wrong. Like they're all 50-50. Like nobody was able to guess what they got. So it's not like that was a way to confound their behavior. And we tested that in any way that we can. So back to your question about, well, why does this matter in everyday lives? So, the saying is, okay, is the drug you gave, is it commensurate with the amount of variability that you would find in testosterone? Like that's the first thing you'd probably wonder. Did you shoot people off the charts in terms of testosterone? So when you measure it in blood, that drug only goes up about, when you measure free testosterone, it goes up like 60%. And you guys are measuring in units of picky moles or? So of one paper that's in blood, one paper that's in saliva. So I'm trying to remember which one. So when I first got that question, I said, well, the variability that you see in blood from the drug is actually similar to what you see in people's cycles. And I was like, done. I'm done with that question. Like the short answer was yes. This is within what's called physiologic range. Yeah, the reference ranges. Yeah. Bingo.  Fine. And so that I was like, I thought I was done with that question.  So even the FDA, I don't know if FDA is watching, you should pay attention to this. The testing they did before approving the drug was seemingly all the papers were on serum. So you're drawing blood and you're seeing what the level is. Interesting. I work with a lot of my wife's naturopath. Oh, okay.  Yeah. And there's still an ongoing like debate between like hormone testing, like saliva versus blood. Yeah. It's a huge difference. Yeah. It's a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah. And among, I would imagine the same would be true among other hormones as well. Like actually it's also true with, I think with estrogen. You find, or progesterone. I found a similar thing with progesterone. Someone on our, on the team, David Zava, great guy. He runs a lab out of Portland, just near Portland. And he's like an incredible scientist that does a lot of testing for like naturopathic schools. I think he's affiliated with NCNM, the one in Portland. Okay. So he like, he knows that world very well. And the guy's like a biology genius and he's been very helpful on the, on the study. So, so when you ask is it, is it realistic? I would say it's probably not in the sense that the levels were so high that. This is for the saliva. Yeah. But just, but blood, I thought we were like, we're cool. Like it's, it's what we'd find. So, but I don't want to totally nerd out on this, but it's the levels on your brain that matter. We can't measure that.  So I don't know if you're to take a bunch of gel right now. I don't know what's happening in your brain. We don't have direct evidence of that. Um, so I know we're getting like in the, in the weeds, mythologically on the hormone stuff, but like, um, so in some ways you could say to take something to, to a bit of an extreme level, you learn something about it. And the results in all the studies that we found were like almost binary. Like it either had a big effect, like this cognitive reflection task. Like, yeah, guys were less able to think through their answers and gave the intuitive incorrect answer, like significantly more than the guys that got placebo, like that's what the, the facts say. So was it everybody that got the testosterone gave the, for the test was off or was it like a, a bell curve, maybe like 50, 60% of the people on testosterone. So there are three questions and we measured each question in like individually. Okay. So like the bat in the ball question, there was the widgets question and trying to think of the third off top of my head here. But, um, so each individually, they all, there's like, you know, so you even did a t-test, you just say the distributions were different.  Like they gave, and I get, I'm not giving the answer, but it's kind of fun to take the test and maybe, maybe later we could do it. But, um, it's like, it shifted you to that intuitive space where you're not really, you're like, you're not really thinking at an executive level. You're being more impulsive.  Yeah. And so that's what makes this stuff super interesting in that. If you look at the cognitive reflection test, it's measuring this ability to, it's essentially blunting your ability to, to think reflectively about something. However, it's still intact. Like people that took longer to answer the question, like they could still answer the questions, but to give the right answer took them longer to do it. So it's almost like they're aware that they're struggling to, to think, to think through the question. Um, so it, but it makes sense. Like the mechanism would make sense.  And so it could be, like we said, preparing for a fight. So maybe this puts them like, this is like, you're talking about a sympathetic versus parasympathetic systems, like fight versus flight.  Like even though there's a reference range, there's a reference, it's not like testosterone lives by itself.  So it goes prognol, DHEA, testosterone, and estrogen, and then all these other derivatives, right? All of them have a symbiotic relationship. And there are some of them are, they work against it. Like cortisol and testosterone are antagonists. Yeah. Cortis, well, yeah, there's still debate, but some, some people would say there's something called like cortisol steel, where like, if you have too much high cortisol, it shunts a lot of your other hormones. Yeah, yeah. Or like it might deviate certain like cofactors, which converts to DHEA2, uh, testosterone, but the DHEA might end up becoming estrogen as opposed to testosterone. Yeah, it's pretty non-linear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's super, it is extremely complicated. We measured, we did a panel, we did like a full mass spectrometry panel of, um, about 15 hormones.  So we were able to measure that. So we had testosterone, we had DHT and we had, uh, we had another form of testosterone. I'm trying to remember top of head, the one Mark McGuire used, um, what it was over the counter back in the 80s. Um, nothing against Mark McGuire. He's a big A's fan. I lived at Bay Area. Um, it's not trend bull, is it? No, it's like an over the counter. It's like a, it's a cold, it's a, it's an upstream metabolite up to testosterone. I'm trying to think off top of my head, but it was over the counter available at the time. But we also measured cortisol, like melatonin. Oh, melatonin too? Because like, so we did a mass spec. So this is like atomic level measurement, extremely, extremely, uh, accurate. And most of these hormones were everything that was not expected to be associated with testosterone was unchanged unchanged. So you think mathematically it was like a partial derivative. Like it just changed that thing without changing any of the other things. Yeah. You think it'd be like your whole system is going to be out of whack. Interesting. So you could, yeah, there is no difference on the other, like non-testosterone related hormones, even though we gave them the shock of testosterone. So it was like, so that is acute. It's like a one shot, but chronically you might expect there'd be some, you know, and how frequently were they putting the, we just did one shot, just like one thing. Yeah. You know, we're trying to make it as realistic as they did a test before testosterone, how long was it afterwards? So I did a test, let's say day one, when's the next day that I do the test? So the first, the stock trading experiment I can talk about later. If you want, we did that on two days. This was, they came in in the morning and then we did like an intake. So, you know, we asked them questions going in. We did a sliver measure in the morning.  Um, and then we did the rest of the experiment. Okay. So within like 48 hours, everything. It was within eight hours or like, uh, you know, from eight in the morning, they're done by like four. So it was just one day. Yeah. You mentioned stocks trading. Oh, that was wild. Yeah. So yeah.  So the lab's called the center for neuroeconomic studies. And, uh, my advisor was California. Yeah. So in LA, yeah, yeah. Uh, Claremont, California, the city, uh, they called the city of trees and PhDs. And we're this, we're in Toronto, the city of cold weather, very cold weather, gloomy, no sun. Yeah. Can we just do the interview there? Is that cool? If we just like put a pause and like pick it up in LA's.  I'm a little disappointed. We don't have holler. Come on. Or Elon Musk, like rocket, like two minutes in California. Let's do this.


Last weekend was a heartbreaker for the BSU football team dropping a 37-36 decision to 14th ranked Sioux Falls. The Beavers led 20 to 3 at half before being outscored 37-16 in that second half but the good news is it's a new weekend. BSU will look to rebound as they travel to you Mary for their second straight road game. Saturday's matchup with the Marauders also starts NSIC North Division play for the Beavers. After last week we had to come off with a statement moving to the north now. Our team goal is to go on to feed in the north and it starts with Mary next or this this Saturday. We'll have to protect the quarterback be able to run the ball but they're a young team hopefully we can get on them I think in certain games when they've gotten confidence is like or confidence like they did against Southwest State they had a chance to I mean they're winning a third quarter against a good football team so teams that have gotten up on them I think they lose a little bit of confidence and if that's success against them. We know we're gonna get everybody's best game we're kind of the team to beat in the north right now so we just got to you know focus up. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland news please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland public television.


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Hello everyone, my name is Dr. Malik Arjun Kalishti. I'm a consultant hematohoncologist and bone marrow transplantation physician at Manipal Hospital Bangalore. Today I'm going to briefly speak a little bit about cancer care during this period of COVID-19 pandemic. There are many questions that patients of cancer and their family members have in their mind during these times. One of the commonest question is whether patients with cancer are more prone to contact this infection of COVID-19 and whether they are going to suffer more complications because of the same. Now we do not have any robust medical data to suggest that patients of cancer are more likely to contact infection compared to normal individuals but it is quite likely that they may suffer severe complications if they develop an infection simply because their immune system is compromised meaning their ability to fight infection is compromised. They are not able to mount an immune response to any infection like a normal individual that could very well be because of underlying cancer or it could also certainly be because of the therapy that they have received in terms of chemotherapy or immunotherapy. Now one of the other things that people always ask us is should we interrupt treatment of cancer? Should we stop cancer care like chemotherapy or radiation therapy or immunotherapy or even surgeries? Please remember there is no one-size-fits-all approach in these days of COVID-19 pandemic for cancer care. It is always very important to make sure that these decisions are made on a case-by-case basis and it is important that you go back to your primary care givers, sit with them, discuss in great detail about the kind of cancer disease that you have, about the need for urgent therapy and this decision of whether to stop, continue or even interrupt treatment should be a collective one taken by the caregivers, by the cancer physician who is looking after the patient and also patient and family. The other question that most of the cancer patients ask us is should every cancer patient be tested for COVID-19 infection even if the patient is absolutely asymptomatic? The answer to that question is no. If the patient has no symptoms suggestive of COVID-19 infection like fever, headache, body ache, cough or breathing difficulty, there is absolutely no reason for such patients to be tested for COVID-19 infection at all. It is safer for them to be at home if they have no symptoms. 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Yeah, very good. Hi everyone. Welcome to Google Summer of Code office hours. We reconvene after a short break due to Christmas and New Year. So today we have our common agenda. We will have some time for Q&A in the beginning so that students and potential mentors who came to ask questions have opportunity to do so. And after that we will have standard project meeting where we will discuss application status and other things. So you may see that the agenda is still being edited but I think we could start. So does anybody have any questions about GSOC, about the application process and whatever? So we can start from that and update agendas if needed. Is it Jeff? Sorry? I think that is Jeff. Jeff, can you meet your line please? I'll mute him. Got it. Oi. Sorry. It wasn't Jeff. Sorry, Mark. Okay, that happens. So yeah, if anyone has any questions, just put them in the chat or just unmute yourself and ask because yeah, the main purpose of these meetings is to answer whatever question you may have. Okay, so let's then go through the agenda. So there was item one person needs to be the note taker. Who did put it? I can take notes if nobody else wants to. Yeah, usually we just do it together. So multiple people have access in this document and anybody can post changes. So when somebody speaks others can just make notes. But if somebody wants to do it officially, please do so. And I could take notes if you do. Yes, whoever wants to write them down. So open action items. Yeah, it was quite a break. So we didn't meet for two weeks or three weeks. Two weeks, right? Yeah, two weeks. So we have some pending action items. One is JSOC 2019 results blog post. So that's still on me. It's in my whole of shame. So yeah, I was busy in December and I just underestimated the number of things I need to do. So I didn't finish it. And my apologies to Martin and Marki who spent a lot of time. But yeah, I hope to find this and the patches. So yeah, by the end of this week, it should be done. If you need any help with that or like please let me know out there. Additional reviews will be needed. So one of the problems that since the blog post was deleted, it needed some updates. And when I did some updates, I also then we had Jenkins Vault and blog post needed updates again. So yeah, that's how it happens. Anyway, yeah, by the end of the week, it will be submitted for review. Other thing, we need blog posts by students. So we had three students who went to Lisbon and we expected them to publish blog posts. Currently it's in progress, but we need to do something. Just a well-centered reminder later. And okay, any other action items here? Yeah, travel reimbursement. So all students have submitted the expense reports. Maybe no, Parachay didn't submit this report. But a beauty and long did so and it is maybe reimbursed. And you Mark, you also submitted the expense report, right? Yes, I've already done mine and I've also reached out to Parachay and I just reached out to him again. Okay, thank you. So Parachay and to go. So yeah, I also didn't submit anything so far. Okay, what else do we have in the list? Yeah, there was a bunch of action items, but I believe that almost all of them are addressed. So if nobody calls other action items, we should have done. I think it's fine. Okay. So what did change since the last meeting? So we will go to official announcement of Google Summer of Go to 720. So now if you go to the website, you can find that there is timeline available. So this timeline is detailed enough. And here. So yeah, basically we start applications in less than one week. And that's why I brought up the topic of this application status because we have a draft idea, but we might need to update this draft a bit. And after that, we basically have time. The rest of the schedule is basically the same as the previous results. So yeah, there are some deviations between these. So here you may see that basically community bonding and coding, they start earlier this year. So mid-May, it's already coding. It's almost two weeks earlier than in the previous year. So I wonder whether it's aligned to this everyone's plans, but yeah, I think we can do it. Okay. So regarding other updates, in the end of January, there will be FOSDOM. At FOSDOM, there will be GSOC table and GSOC meetup. I wonder whether anybody goes to FOSDOM this year? I may go. I'm still working with my internal business, my company. Yeah. So where is it? In Brussels. Oh yeah, I won't be able to go. Yeah. For your information, Marky, we will also have a contributor summit on January 31st. Okay. That may be a good selling point for me to my executive staff. Yeah. So if you go, it would be great if you also go to the contributor summit. I can send you an invite. It will be a small event being compared to Lisbon. In Lisbon, we had more than 80 people, but more than half of them were actually users of Jenkins contributors. And here we do a small event, which is specifically focused on Jenkins key projects, including various features we want to deliver also as a part of GSOC and also infrastructure community governance. Maybe one of the outcomes here, there will be more project ideas. At least it's my plan. So I guess that's it. So nothing new. Does anybody else have updates? Oh yeah. Let's just continue. Okay. I think this... Hello. Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Actually, I did a couple updates. I contacted... If you scroll down in the action items from the previous... That we had in previous meetings, I contacted... I think... Let's see. I have to scroll down myself to see it. The infrastructure team, I sent an email to their mailing list to announce that essentially to infrastructure, pipeline authoring, platform, and Jenkins UX. All those four places, I posted the JSOC 2020 announcement. Yeah. That is great. I have not gotten any response or reply. Well, it was a Christmas period. So for example, that's why I didn't really do anything to the developer mailing list. I did that on January 3rd. So that was Friday last week. It still counts as Christmas for lots of people. Exactly. So anyway, we already have enough project ideas to apply. We have project ideas to get published. But we can spend some time in order to facilitate more ideas. It was a wrong blog post. Sorry. Yeah, this one. What else do we have? Yeah. In my case, I also spoke about JSOC at multiple meetings. Basically, all SIG meetings and sub-project meetings we had there since this time. So maybe we'll get some outcome. But right now, no specific project ideas are submitted through these channels. I also got an update from Akare about JenkinsX. So their plan is to actually apply as a part of Jenkins. This year, so they are going to propose two project ideas. So if they do it, then we'll just send an application and also reference JenkinsX in the description. Is it fine with everyone? It's fine with me. So far, it's not a big deal to get more ideas published. Though, again, we might need to work on our project ideas list. Because last year, when we got to 30 project ideas, it was quite difficult to find anything. So yeah, maybe some more refactoring would be nice on the website. Yeah, let's see. Actually, that's it. Unless there is anything else, let's move on. Okay, project idea submission process. Okay, so we have it here. Yeah, maybe some more changes in the process were passed to these. I'm thankful to Martin for updating to this process. So right now, the recommendation is to do the most of the discussion in the developer mailing list. And we use JSOC, GitterChannel, and the mailing list just to do some sanity check in order to ensure that the idea is fine. And then you're expected to proceed with a seek mailing list or developer mailing list to discuss the technical side of the project idea. After that, you're expected to submit a pull request. So we keep all project ideas in the Jenkins IO website. Yep, so there is a link in the guideline, which basically points to the list of the current 2020 project ideas. And you can just submit more in the same format. Main difference from the previous year. In previous year, we were mostly using Google Doc. Here, our preference is to proceed with this website. So you put a project ideas on the website just as a ski doc. And you can still reference Google Doc for additional details. But you would rather prefer a body to be visible on the website directly. Is it correct, Martin? Yeah, that's correct. Both Google Doc and the content of the A Doc file are good. But the Google Doc is optional. So you can just submit a pull request and get the idea discussed in the pull request. Exactly. So what we have now, we have more than 10 project ideas. We got students reaching out regarding these projects. But all the ideas published here, they're basically transferred from the previous year. We have some discussion in the main piece proposed by Mark White and Rick. But yeah, we still need to get them published. Here, the most of the ideas now come from Google Doc. So like that. But instead of that, the recommendation is to just submit a pull request. We have after that. So basically that's it. So once pull request is submitted, Jenkins, JSO court documents will review it and integrate the changes on the website. All JSO court documents have write access on the website. So we can deliver to the changes quickly. So that's the entire process. Mark, do you have any questions or do you need any clarification about the process? I don't think so. Let me play back to you what I think my steps are. So I chose the optional path of using a Google Doc. It's been reviewed and discussed. We'll review and discuss it a little further here. The next stop for me is after our discussions here, submit a pull request. Preferred pull request one per idea or bundle two. What's the is how high is the bar to have a pull request accepted? Now, I don't think there is a specific bar. So what we have on our website, we have draft project ideas and we have final project ideas. So there is a bar for accepted ideas. We have an expectation that all accepted project ideas will have new different issues that they will have some explicit description how to quick start with this project, how to explore this project. So here there is a bar. But for the draft project ideas, it's fine to basically submit whatever you want. And actually, I even had a proposal in mind to just allow referencing made increased discussions here as a first step. But it's an open question. But submit a project idea you don't need to spend much time. Great. Thank you. Okay. So next stop for me after our discussion today is pull request. Thanks. Right. And also to start the discussion and the developer may increase because there might be a lot of people interested. Well, no, no, so the ideas that I was specifically bringing are already on the developer list as mailing list topic. So agreed developer because I thought it's on the JSOC. Oh, good question. You're right. I'll have to double check. Good point. Okay. And now I guess one of the points where I need some guidance specifically is on the mentors. So it's preferred that the mentors are confirmed willing to act as mentors before they're listed as potential mentors, right? Exactly. Okay. So that's, and so that's an open gap for me on two of mine. I need to talk with two or three candidates before I put their names officially into the pull request as potential mentors. Okay. One of, so one thing I will add to that mark is when you speak to the potential mentors, I would highlight, underline and bold to them the time commitment that they need to spend being an actual mentor.  Yeah. Okay. So we have some expectations listed here. But yeah, here's explicit expectations about time dedication. And yeah, I guess what we need to do before this phase ends is to add expectations from mentors per phase. So it was one of the retrospective feedback from the previous year because some mentors were confused about community bonding and also students were confused about what they expected to do because some mentors were not reachable due to reasons basically out of control in the community. So we will need to explicitly list the expectations here and we will expect mentors to commit to this plan. Okay. And now as I'm looking at this page that's on, there's in the conflict of interest prevention, it looks like I need to be sure that mentors are using either spare time from their personal time or time that their company is authorized as contribution to open source. This isn't, okay, great. Thanks. All right. So I need, I had not read this page and I'm not done it clearly enough. So thanks very much for having it. I will use that as my baseline. Thank you. The other important aspect here, Mark, is that is that the JSOC project that mentors mentor, you cannot, for example, for me, it cannot be a deliverable to my employer. There would be a conflict of interest if I had that. So I have to make sure that the JSOC projects are not part of any internal roadmap at my company, internal roadmap that I have for myself with my employer. Well, just a bit specific. So it's fine to have personal investment in the project and actually we encourage that. But yeah, what Martin tried to say is that basically there should be no commitment because JSOC projects may not succeed and if you put this project on the critical path in your company, then it won't end well. Right. And so I think in the spirit of that, I was interpreting Martin's guidance as this should not be a feature that my company is creating that I'm going to lend to the JSOC effort to do it for us. It's really, this is something independent of my employer's interests. And but interesting to me personally, and in my case, my specific ones are intensely interesting to me personally. So yes. Yeah. So we hear some examples because yeah, when we started JSOC in 2016, it immediately became a big concern in the project. So there are some examples and you can start from them. Great. Yeah, basically our expectation that the project idea has value to the Jenkins community, that it's open source, et cetera, et cetera. But it's fine or probably fine that a company uses it because well Jenkins basically is based on contributions and the most contributions come from companies. Okay. Yeah. So in my specific examples, I think they are okay here because this is not the ideas I've proffered are not roadmap entries on anything my employer has offered. So I think I'm okay, but I'll safety check that with a couple of internal people first. Good. Okay. Exactly. Okay. So I just put links here. Any other comments with regards to this topic? So one comment, especially for students on the call that your project ideas can be proposed not only by potential mentors, but also by students themselves. So it means that if you have an idea about what you would like to change Jenkins, you can definitely do so. Although we will need to find potential mentors. And if you have a specific idea in mind, please let us know about it early so that to be happy for a time or to help you just making it happen. Yeah, absolutely. For the students that are online, I also want to emphasize that JSOC projects are your projects primarily the list that we offer is projects that are of interest to the community. But by all means, if you have ideas on how to improve Jenkins, whether it's plugins or core or UI or anything related to Jenkins, if you have ideas that you don't see in our list, most definitely, you know, create a project idea and submit a pull request. There's there's a difference between project idea and a project submission for the student. So the project idea is just the difference between the submission and the idea is that the submission is the student application to participate and as an intent to implement the idea. And the idea is just a more general sort of project where multiple students can apply. So can you expand a little further on that from my benefit, Martin? So an idea from me as an idea source is not necessarily a fully detailed project plan. It's not fine grained. It's much more coarse grained. Is there something else I've missed? Exactly. It's an idea. Yes. It's it's specified in general terms. It's not a detailed specification. It's not it's not a detailed project plan. This that comes later and it's actually something the student is expected to work on and create part of their community bonding is is creating the detailed plan. So students will first write an application towards a specific idea or towards more than one. A student can submit multiple applications. I think there's a maximum there that that Google will will limit. You cannot have a student applying to 50 ideas, but the student can apply I think to three I think is the maximum. Yeah, I thought they increased it back to 10, but I need to double check the documentation. Still the number is related below. For example, we can just take a look previous year. For example, let's take one of the projects. Okay, let's just take the first one, multi branch pipeline support. So here, for example, we have there is a lot of documentation, but yeah, there is GSOC proposal. Listen, I project by Perichay. So this is what he submitted to us as a part of his application. And well, it's rather an exceptional case because yeah, this is a relatively long proposal. Usually we expect something maybe three to four pages. But yeah, this is an idea which was submitted by student after all processing, kept discussion in the community after some prototyping. There was a lot of discussion for this project. But if you take a look at the project ideas, the idea was relatively simple where it is was people upright. So here was the project idea. So it's just one page maybe a bit more which summarizes the expectations. And yeah, this is our recommendation. Give students freedom to select the implementation to select the approach they want to deliver on. Because yeah, basically, they are driving the project. It's not something like we hire people thanks to Google's consortium to deliver on our projects. That's one thing to keep in mind though is that there is an expectation that the students are going to be coding full time for about three months. And so even if you're not going into detail, it's probably a good idea to try to make sure that's going to be the case. I know in particular the one that I proposed and met her last year, I don't think it ended up being weighty enough that the student had to work all that hard. And there was some concern expressed. However, he proposed the project and we accepted it. So whatever he did as long as he could complete it was fine. And so we want projects that are media enough that the students are going to be working full time. That makes sense. So I'm taking from that that it's okay that I bring out what I consider to be hard problems. And failure is an acceptable condition here. And it's okay that I put something up that's difficult enough that I think it will be a stretch for a student to complete. Great. I like that. That is correct. Yeah, so definitely. And like, sorry. Yeah, Ruben's one potentially could be open-ended. And so it's up to the students to kind of dig into that and, you know, write a good proposal that would benefit the community and also, you know, make sure that they work hard for the entire time. All right. So Mark, if you want to have some examples, you can just refer to previous years. There are project ideas which basically have different formats. Some proposals, for example, this is a pipeline support for a multi-build plugin that explicitly says that it's potential tasks. So you can take a look at this list. And yeah, you can realize that this list probably a one-man year of work. Maybe not, but still it's pretty big. But it gives potential students freedom to choose what the topics they would like to focus on, what skills they want to get, what technologies they want to study, so they can take this proposal and build their own project. And it's okay that a student may select a subset of the idea for the final proposal. And then the Jenkins project accepts the proposal and the mentors work with them on the proposal or work with them to implement what they have proposed. Great. Right. So yeah, and the proposal may be completely different from project ideas. We had some cases where basically alternate solutions were proposed. Yeah, we do reviews during the student selection process. So there is a place when we choose projects. It's basically here. So it's one month since March 31st to April 27th. So this is the time when organizations review these proposals, require slots, map slots to students, and they will be making final decisions about the proposals. But at that point, we won't be able to edit anything. So it's our joint interest to have a lot of discussions here. So after, well, basically starting from now until the deadline for student application, there will be a lot of discussions with potential students about project ideas, about project that they propose, and many students submit their project drafts in advance so that they can be reviewed by potential mentors. And it's possible to steal their projects and provide feedback so that they become realistic. So yeah, I guess that's it about project ideas. So if someone wants to discuss specific ideas, we can do a key study at the next meetings. And again, once the project ideas are submitted, we will be doing reviews as J. So Corker means to help potential mentors to appropriately represent their project ideas. Any other questions regarding this topic? Hello, I would like to ask one question. Yeah, sure. Are these projects are from scratch or any work is done on them or anything is done regarding the project? It depends on the project idea. So some project ideas offer completely new projects, create a new plugin, for example, create a new feature. Some project ideas may be targeted towards improvement of existing functionality. For example, Mark proposed project ideas for Git plugin, which exists, well, since the very beginning of Jenkins, I would say, and there are still opportunities to do something like performance and performance. So it depends on the project. Thank you. Can I add something to it? Yes. So basically what I want to ask is, as a prospective student, you know, in a particular project, should I start doing some amount of work to show that I know what I'm talking about, right? Like how familiar I am with the project. Or is it just that I just have to be clear on the theory aspect of it, that I just need a good proposal and that's it? Well, we do not strictly require students to contribute to the project before Google Summer of God starts. But the realities that all accepted students, for example, last year, contributed to the project in advance because it helps them to create good project ideas. So our approach is that for every project, we have some new different issues referenced from the proposals. So let me take this promotion plugin again. So we do not expect you to do random contributions or whatever. We expect you to explore project ideas. And as a part of that, creating some more pull requests, trying doing some prototypes or maybe some minimal issues would actually help you to create a better proposal. So that's the reason why the most accepted projects actually have history of contribution. There's also the community bonding phase, which happens before project selection. And that's one way to get to know people in the community is by doing some pull requests. Yeah, but it's after the project has been accepted. Oh, sorry. Yeah. So it's also a part, important part. But the project idea you explore them basically kill much 31st. Oh, okay. Thanks for that. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. Should we move on one? Or any other questions? I would like to ask one. So these pros and cons are given on website, right? So can you start making proposal right now? You mean application or what? Do you want to propose you? Yeah. Yeah, you can start working on them earlier. So how it usually happens, you have seen this proposal from Perichay. Usually students submit a Google box in advance so that the people can review them. So for example, once you explore the project idea, or once you have an idea of what you would like to do, you can submit first initial draft to review in the mailing piece or to your mentors in the charts, and start getting some feedback. And it's recommended. So if you already know what you want to work on, you can start right away. There is no need to wait till the application starts. This date is just the first day when you can submit something on the website. That's it. For some of the projects, like I was interested in the Python and machine learning one specifically, there weren't any suggested issues, right? So what would be a good idea to, you know? So yeah, if you go here, you can see that there is somebody who has fun on this project idea. That's one of the reasons why we want to move to Jenkins.io project ideas in ASCII.doc. Yeah. It's not good looking. Okay. So yeah, we'll move them soon. But yeah, the idea that even if there is no project ideas, there are content things. So for example, here there is mailing piece, there is a chart, and you can see that this chart points to a specific chart to this project idea. So if you don't see anything to work on, you just follow these links. And here you can discover that there are people, including Marky, who is on the call. And you can just ask if there are any tickets or tasks to consider and what areas to explore. So if you don't see something, just go here and ask. Okay. Awesome. So maybe if we have some time after these topics, which is not possible, we can probably spend time on the machine learning. And you can also ping me and get her if you have specific questions in that machine learning channel. And I will be happy to help in any way possible. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Thank you too. Okay. So let's move on. So the next item was get plugin project ideas from Markweight. So Mark has submitted two project ideas. Mark, after the discussion today, do you have any open questions? Or would you like to get some feedback? I would love to hear feedback, but I don't actually think I have any specific questions. I think that the one that you had on screen there, this one fine too. The repo caching one or this one. So the plugin performance improvement one, there is it's less likely to be a full three months of work, but there are many, many things in this general area, which could be done and discovered as a result of it. The microbenchmark harness will likely expose all sorts of things that can and should be improved. And the redundant fetch thing is probably a month or more of work because of the complexity of retaining compatibility. Exactly. So what you could do, so you could probably write it in a more open end I think. So even probably merging three ID, at least topic into that project idea as well. I don't know. It could be separate project ideas as well. It depends on how much independent they are. But if you write in a way when basically it's up to the student to make a proposal, and he, for example, remove redundant fetch is just an example when it. Okay. Yeah. So I'm prone personally to keep them as two separate things because I think of them architecturally as quite distinct. The repo caching thing is introducing some concepts that don't exist and has all sorts of blocking and file system access challenges that are hiding behind it. Whereas the performance one is more focused on alternatives and choices which can be made inside the implementation, how to improve the specifics of details of the implementation. Okay. Yep. So I think. Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to say that I think that this project idea is already to go with project ideas. So yeah, maybe some form of thinking about the communication channels. But yeah, I think that it could be submitted. Okay, great. Now on the communication channels topic, there are many of the many of the others use a separate Gitter channel to have high bandwidth low noise communication. Has that generally been the preferred thing for most of the GSOC accepted projects that they have their own Gitter channel dedicated to that specific GSOC project? Historically, we have a lot of traffic in Gitter channels. And since Gitter, while we is far from ideal, in terms of communication experience, project opted out to separate channels. So there are some exceptions. For example, for all strategy plugin for promoted builds, we don't have so much user traffic in the charts. So we just use the these channels for GSOC. But in your case, if you talk about a good plugin, then you would need to think what to take. So it could be, for example, platform six channel, but platform six channel is pretty active. So discussions and questions from students may be lost here. Okay, so so in my case, it probably is best to create a new channel for the git plugin and hide place both the top or those topics in it. If there's some additional traffic, great. But it's okay if I create a separate channel, great. Thank you. Yeah, right. So basically, there are two stages. One stage is application process. So it's whatever happens until the student projects announced. So this is a time when students come ask questions. And there is not that much development development happening by this time. At this point, it's better to use existing channels to avoid creating new entities. Well, unless you feel that having a Gitter channel for it would be helpful anyway. But when community bonding starts, so this is when the active project starts. And basically, an accepted student works almost full time during coding. And during community bonding, there is also a lot of work serving for mentors. And then this time, during community bonding, teams just can select the best communication channel for them. So in JSOC, we don't set the strict requirement what to take. And you will be able to select what you want. Okay. So yeah, it's better to have something more standard. But if you have a specific need, for example, if you want to work on different integrations of this Kubernetes ecosystem, and you want to go to Kubernetes Slack, it might be different. It might be possible. But it's up to a mentor team and the student to decide. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Any other questions before we move on? None for me. Thank you very much for the help. Thank you. And also, my next steps are to create two poll requests, one for each project idea. And I will probably hoist one more project idea into the list for conversation. Great. That's great. Thank you. Okay. So the last topic is Jenkins JSOC application route. So what do we need? We have an application. Basically, it's almost copy and paste from the previous year. So it was adjusted to reflect new content. It's more or less ready to be submitted. But if somebody wants to make adjustments, let's do so. So when I submit my poll request to submit a project idea, if I think it's worth including in this application, I should also put into the poll request a change to this. No, I should not. Okay. No, because what this application is doing, it's referencing our proposal link, which is where your PR will go. So you don't need to do anything to this, per se. Just your PR will go to proposals, which is already linked as Oleg has highlighted it. Yeah. Well, it might make sense to do some edits. For example, if you have huge community interest around deep plugin project ideas, we can highlight it. For example, hearing long description. So we had a long description here. I just cut it from this year. So we say this year we invite students to join the Jenkins community, whatever, whatever. And here we can provide specific examples if you want. Another option is to edit proposal text. Because proposal text is one of the ways to discover projects on the JSoc website. So again, if you have a lot of ideas related to Git, we can put it here. So we are limited to 10. So if you add something, we also need to remove something. Right. And okay. So with that upper limit of 10, when I look at that list, I think those lists, those things are much broader than Git. They're much likely to be much more interesting, many of them than Git. So I would tend to leave mine off that list unless we see significant interest in the ideas. Okay. Thanks. Oleg, can I ask you a question on the tag for electronic design automation? Yeah. What is that? What does that fall for? What is that? Math too. So we have two project ideas, which were transferred from the previous year about hardware. Okay. Okay. Okay. Now I remember. Thank you. This is the risk five ideas integrate with various EDA tools. Well, there is no risk five here. If somebody wants to offer a risk five project idea, I'm all in. But yeah, so we have a project idea for EDA coverage adapters. So basically, we're using the project from 2018 by a change. And to implement coverage reports for EDA tools, which is a quite hot array now. And another one is just a generic proposal to have integration with whatever. So this project ideas are still around. That's why we have this tag. But yeah, last year, we got some interest, but to be honest, not that much. So again, this text can be a subject for discussion. But for us, if we don't put a tag here, there is basically no chance that this project ideas will be discovered. So it's something we can discuss. And obviously, all this text, if you want to improve something, please do so. Because yeah, this text was polished a bit, but it would be great to get some feedback. And for example, there are some topics which we will need to think about. For example, DevOps world Jenkins world. One of the topics is that it won't be Jenkins world anymore next year. So it's an open question whether we want to reference to this specific conference or whether we want to talk about other events, for example, CICD summit. So yeah, this is also a subject for pollution before we submit the final application. So by the beginning of February, we need to finalize that this process. Any questions about that? Should we, I was going to highlight that, or like software in the public interest, are we under the continuous delivery foundation as well? I believe we should reference both in the current state. So yeah, it's partially a part of the ongoing Jenkins board discussion. So we had election in early December, and now there are knowledge transfers being organized. So the current state of the immigration to continuous delivery foundation that this immigration is not over. So for example, SPI hasn't transferred to that trademark yet to CDF. There are also other things. So formally, we are still a part of SPI. But yeah, according to our website, we also are part of CDF, as you may see. So I believe we should just reference both here. So yeah, if you see bits like that, just comment in the chat so we can edit it. We are coming up to the top of the hour. Exactly. So we should start closing down. So the last topic, we had project ID status, but basically except what we discussed, there are just some ideas floating around, like ideas submitted by Rick, also some ideas proposed by me. What we need to do, we need to start putting these ideas on the list. Because this is the list according to which Google will judge our application. And we definitely want to have new project ideas being compared to 2019. So whomever has project ideas in mind, please spend some time to start drafting them and submit them. And Oleg, again, the application date to the timeline to Google begins next week already? Yeah. So next week, the application is open. The deadline for applications is February. But yeah, so basically by the beginning of February, we want to have as many project ideas as possible in the ideas accepted list. So for these ideas, it's a relatively small thing to do. We just need to convert them to a ski dock, maybe to apply some copy editing. And they are accepted because all of them already comply with templates. But for new project ideas, yes, we need to go through the hoops and of course, just have a draft, have discussions and to move them to a separate stage. So it's important that those of us who are submitting project ideas get them in quickly, because we've only got maybe a few weeks to go through the process to get them from draft into accepted on this page. Great. All right, I'll get my submitted. So there is no strict deadline as February 8th. So February 8th is when our final proposal goes to Google, but final proposal reflects the application draft, this one. And it just includes a hyperlink to the project ideas list. So we can keep editing the project ideas, we can accept new project ideas basically until the student application period starts. But earlier you posted this project idea, more chances you have to get the students reaching out. Because as you may see from this meeting, there is also really a lot of students on the call. There is even more students reaching out to us and get their channels. So if you post your idea earlier as a potential mentor, you have higher chances to get more traction for a project idea. Great. Thank you. Okay. So I guess that's it. So thanks to everybody who participated. Yeah, this meeting was a bit long and we will try to keep the next meetings to 45 minutes. But again, in the next year, we will first in the next meetings, we'll start from point A, and then we will be able to proceed to the project update topics. Thanks. Okay. I've noticed some questions in the chat. Do we need to discuss them? I've tried answering as many as I could in there. Okay. Thank you. So if anything is still needed, let's just sit in the Gitter channel. Yep. Thanks a lot guys. Thanks everyone. Thank you. See you online. See you all next week. Thank you.