As we're like, let's have these fast meetings these days. But I'm also a little bit, yeah, we're supposed to have this meeting next week from today.  And then also for Lauren for other business. For the. Why can't I find what I'm looking for the equity impact worksheet. So that sounds good. So let's get started. Okay. So, okay, so, review and approve agenda we can't do a public comment. No one's here. I'm going to, let's maybe skip over self education learning ground table and can do that more in depth next time. And you report backs from city committees. And then just create a discourse survey results. Just real quick. So we've gotten way more than we were and we were hoping for us. We got like 340 some survey results, which is awesome. And our goal was to have 30. And so I had almost 350 is awesome. We also wanted to get 10% from BIPOC residents and we were at 9% and creative discourses feels great about that. They're like, that's totally in line with like demographics and I think the big big two major concerns. One was that, you know, we had expressed interest of like the new American population in Montpelier wanting to make sure that we got things translated and things like that. And based on the, we didn't have a question saying, you know, like, are you a, you know, new American or, you know, what's your status essentially, but there, there were no obvious markers that there, you know, folks of that demographic filled out this survey and did not participate in the, in the, in the, in the focus groups. One of their concerns and then the other concern that they raised was that over 50% of the people who filled out the survey have a like a master's degree or more. And that we were like, they're like, is that on par? And I was like, I think so. And that resonates for me. And so like from my experience in Montpelier. And so we looked it up and demographically Montpelier is about twice the Vermont average of people with master's degrees or higher, about like 35%. I can't remember quite the numbers, but it was like 30% something percent to like 15 something percent. And so and it makes sense that people filling out the survey are, you know, you know, our folks with those higher. You know, education markers. And so we, so Cameron and I were saying, we said basically like, seems fine to keep moving forward with this survey for that reason. And for the new Americans, like, we're basically like, I think we just need to just like keep, like, keep moving forward with this and just flagging that as something that we want to be intentional about moving forward and like that's, that's notable in terms of the health that no one filled out the survey or participate in the focus groups, you know. And so, while there's, you know, such a huge percentage of English language learners, like, in the elementary school and stuff so that in itself is data. So those are really the two main things so they're going to spend a couple of weeks getting stuff back to us. They're going to send us a draft to review on May 24, which is on Monday. And so Kasia will come, maybe it's Kasia and Sue, I can't remember, for some of our Wednesday meeting on May 26 to hear any feedback or like share questions or concerns and to be able to kind of give the final thumbs up before finalizing that report by June 1. So how does that sound. Oh, go ahead. I just realized we don't have Michael so I'm trying to kind of quickly backtrack with some notes. Oh, good job. This is why we should actually look at our agenda, which has promises to do all these things. Nope. So does that sound okay that we're, you know, still planning on moving forward, not like trying to get more. So the results, things like that. Yeah, great. It's great the numbers came in. Like, not sure if we're going to hit our targets and stuff so. Yeah, go us. Look at us getting out there. Lots of hard work. So thank you. Thanks for all you're doing. It's great. And so then I think nothing in fundraising and recruitment. Helen reached out saying someone she knew. Hi camera who had applied and hadn't heard back. And I'm just going to assume that that's because camera is out sick and will circle back to that soon. So. Applications on tonight's city council agenda for other committees though. I wonder if there are. Yeah. Let me circle back to her. Yeah. And like sometimes those they'll add last minute. So. We can probably even get it on tonight's agenda. If I just slipped through the crack somehow. Great. I will. Circle back with her. Cool. Okay. Committee share meeting discussion. Should I share my screen is that how we should do this or. That's probably the way to go. This is a little bit goofy because Jeremy and I just met about this. So Lauren, we're really going to lean on you. Thoughts and feedback. I'm just saying it out loud. You realize. Yeah. So, um, we have. I'm using my personal zoom for it and it's on the agenda, but I don't think Mary has sent it out to committee chairs. I think that tells me that the email has not been sent out yet. And so it's like officially warned. And it's like, you know, so it's officially on the. Website. But I. Like. Mary. So Mary did all of that, but I don't think Mary has like sent it out to committee chairs. And Lauren is Mary the right person to follow up with. Yeah, I would think so. Yeah. And so using mine, we're having people register just so we can get a count of how many people are planning on joining. I'm planning a little bit around that. But yeah, we can have breakout rooms. We can have up to 300 participants. It is like an officially open and warned meeting. So people can come who are not. Committee chairs or committee members. Is what it is. Do you have a plan if. If it didn't go out and attendance is low. Like. It's a week away now. People or something. What do you think Jeremy. If we have. It seems like there's a real question. As to whether invitations were sent. So I think we need to find that out first. Yeah. Judging that there's no RSVPs. That probably means the invite hasn't been sent. I mean, or that there is not a practice of RSVP and yeah, so not sure. Yeah, but you're right. But I think we said, please. Like one or two would be like, okay, that makes sense. But zero that's. Yeah. So. I don't know what the protocol is since it's already been warned, but it seems like we should. It seems like we should try to get. Some confirmations. Before we attempt it, but. And if we get fewer than. Five 10. People on the call. We just, I think so much for coming. See you later. We're going to have this again. Yeah. I think it's fine to move a warned meeting. Like city. Especially out if it's just not on the calendar then and like. Like it's on the counter a different date. I think it would be okay. Yeah, you could still get some RSVPs if it just hasn't gone out and it's a week away. Yeah. Yeah. Or if it did go out, like how, how is the email written? And like, is there some. Thing that was uninviting. Yeah. Not inspiring people to sign up. Maybe I'll reach out to Mary and then maybe I'll also just like manually go through the committee, you know, make a spreadsheet of emails and try to send some personalized. Notifications to. If possible, you know, if I can get through emails and stuff. Okay. Yeah, and then planning to record it. And. I don't yet. Jeremy, do you want to walk through the agenda or. Yeah, sure. So. Hey, Lauren. I think that the approach here was fairly light. And. And straightforward. In terms of its focus. So. Just to like set up before the kind of specific agenda. We saw like 3 major goals with this. So. 1 is just to inform the other city committees. About C. Jack, you know, what the committee is its mission. How it functions and some of the work. It's done to date. The 2nd goal is to really start sharing some information and perspectives. On. On going equity and justice issues. That other city committees. Face. Whether they've thought about it or not. And then the 3rd thing. Which is a bit more of a question mark is. Kind of making the offering to these other committees that C. Jack can be a resource. On helping them navigate some of these equity. And justice issues. So that's the basic goals here. So then getting into the agenda. Start off with a really quick welcome and introductions review the goals. Set expectations around the agenda. As well as some ground rules for how we're going to be together. In this gathering. And we have some some ideas for that right here. I'll go through it kind of quickly high level, I think. Then get into a very short presentation about C. Jack. So this is like what our charge is. Which is publicly available. Some examples of 2 to 3 past or active projects. We thought, let's talk about. The budget equity tool. Creative discourse work. And then. Something. That has been more responsive or reactive. I'm not, which kind of predates my, my time so I can't really speak to it. The thing we thought we needed to do here is. Provide a very clear working definition of what. Equity justice means. Something that people can hold on to as they go into the later discussions. Around how their committees. Might be a kind of facing. Equity and justice issues. So we, we still need that really clear definition. Then we're going to break up into small group conversations. Or maybe 1 group conversation, depending on. Yeah, how many people we have. And this is a time where just really quick introductions. From everybody about, okay. Who are you? What is your committee about? And then kind of kick off with a couple of prompting questions for the discussion. So. 2 questions here. Kind of related. What equity issues are most relevant. To your committee's work. And, or what equity issues. Is your committee kind of currently engaged in. And that, that starts with just kind of 2 minutes of silent. Brain writing for everybody to think about before we get into some discussion. After that quick bit of thinking individually and silently. Then some sharing from everybody to get the discussion going. And it's really, I think it's about building a shared understanding of where people are at with respect to justice and equity. From their committee perspectives. I think then there's the moment of. Okay, some issues maybe come up, but I think the discussion. Things will emerge like, oh, we haven't thought about access or we haven't thought about. You know. Who we're not talking to when we're focused on what the work we do so. I think there's going to be some. Some note taking will need to happen. By us facilitators of those small groups just to kind of make sure. Hearing the key points and then. Get everybody back together as a full group. And not necessarily do a kind of March around the table report out. But invite people to share anything that was noteworthy from their small group discussions. And this is about again, building that broader. Shared understanding of the range of issues that might be. Faced by the committees. I think there's an opportunity there to look for any themes that emerge from what people are sharing. And then we had the thought that. As a more concrete example, it might be interesting for 1 of us to walk through and a little bit more detail. How the budget equity tool was used by city council and the kinds of things that came up. Just a little bit more detail about what. What the lens of equity and justice could look like in committee work. And I think this is this is more free form discussion too. So I'm capturing that would be really important. And then really that takes us to the end and kind of closing it out. And I don't know if we want to leave people with next steps. So that's something to answer as well. As well as like what our, what our offering is as a resource to everybody. So I'll let you sit with that for a second if you want. See what questions or thoughts come up. I think a couple of quick reactions. I think it's, it sounds great. I think I love the like giving some space for people to just like take it in and then think about their committee and then, and then have a chance to kind of hear other people as they're thinking through like how other committees because it might spark some different thinking for their own committees. I guess we should like think about that set the like before the closing if it is a small group. How would that be different if it's like further time for reflection or like going deeper into some things or how we think about that if it ends up not being a small to a full group discussion but a deepening of the full group discussion. Or if there's something else we could get out of it or maybe it just ends up being a little shorter or something if there feels like there's. I don't know if you've thought about that. And then just couple thoughts on next steps like most although I don't know if all but like most of them I would imagine have some kind of budget piece and I wonder if we should be like, it would be really awesome if each group was using the budget equity tool for whatever you all are asking for in the fiscal year. 23 budget whatever it's coming up. And, and that that's something that, you know, if this is true and we felt we have capacity like that we'd be happy to, like we'd love to see those and like help put that into. You know, and or like major projects that they're considering to use the tool and think through, or like if they're deciding between priorities or something like, like that would be a way to really, you know, I just think like the more it's like, here's a tangible thing and a way you got it like they're probably more likely to actually do it and yeah. And then it would make it easier for us to provide input or like reflect with them if it's around something specific. Like maybe it's like in the in the fall when we're getting to budget priority setting season, like we'd love to revisit with you or like we'd love you to send us what you've captured for priorities or things that have budget implications. So maybe that's like a natural follow up point or something. Yeah, I like that. Like my sense was like Cameron was planning to embed this more and like the departments and stuff anyway so I think I can see whoever like staffs each of the committees like hopefully that would be part of it but like them getting this overview to like better understand why and how it can be used and useful and that there's a group like this that could like help if they feel like they're stuck on how to think through something. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. I didn't quite understand your first comment about the small group to the full group, were you were you suggesting that we might want more small group time for kind of reflecting on the issues before. Oh sorry. So it was just if it ends up being just a small group where you're all together. So the small group discussion ends up actually being a full group discussion, just given the low turnout so far so if it's only like five people and we're all together and we've got a small group conversation. So if you were to think about like, is there a next phase then as a group all together, or is there like, would it be worth even in that small of a group to have people pair off for a few minutes or, I don't know just just knowing how late it is and that we might have slow turnout just to have a plan ahead of time if it ends up just being a small group they are all together, like that what that second half hour would be does that make sense. Yeah, yeah. I think the answer to that is, we just, we maybe, you know, dig, ask those follow questions go deeper as do the digging on the thing is that seem like they are the most salient and and a little early. Right, is that. Yeah, I don't ever feel like, because you schedule something for a certain time you need to take that time. Um, necessary so it could be. It could be that there's more time with what you're saying Lauren about conversation around the budget equity tool and kind of walking them through like, could tell me how do you think you could use this in your committee work and we could hear from everybody in that case. So just getting a little bit more specific. Yeah. And I, I thought the tool worked well to for thinking through the policy proposal coming forward with the ordinance change or even if it's not that formal but there's some decision they're making or proposal they're putting forward. It could be when they could have a big grant proposal or something and not and like thinking about how you would shape your project to structure of it works well to just get you thinking through a different different kinds of people and how they might be impacted and different kinds of considerations for how to make sure it's going to work for the community. Well that's also where like, I think we started talking about this but then never kind of circled back of just, are these the right prompt questions, are we like going to get stuck in, you know, what are what are equity issues on and things like that, and, you know, if our if our goal is to collaborate with the city committee is to support them in centering the experiences of oppressed groups, as they consider policy and decisions regarding city operations. Like, not that that's necessary, you know what is our language and their goal. But like, are yeah are these are these the right initial prompt questions to get to those. Yeah. What equity issues, you know, I don't know, do you see like is equity issues. I just, I'm getting stuck here and I don't know. I don't have any solutions right now. Let me just maybe. Yeah, I almost wonder if there's like a if depending on where people are starting, if like, you could almost see starting with one person and their group and like if they're like I'm, I'm not really sure. And like, I haven't spent a lot of time thinking about this for my committee. And then, like, is there are there a couple questions to start like peeling back like okay, like, like what's an example of a big project you're working on, and then like how do we think about the equity implications of that project and like what kinds of issues might you be thinking about like if there's like a couple probing questions or something that would get us to do this. Like, if people are wrestling a little bit with like what what we mean. Right. So, like, start with these prompt initial prompt questions and then just for facilitation facilitators have a few like follow-ups ready to go. Is that I'm just throwing stuff out here but yeah. Okay, and then for justice equity. I mean I was thinking of just like, let me see if I can do this. You know, something like that type of thing. I'm sharing that in the chat. Yeah. So that should we, should we assign roles here too to send out. Is that another next step here. Who will go over what content. Yeah, I think that's, I mean, are we just going to assume the other committee folks can attend a sign folks. The facilitators with the small groups. I think so. Yeah. And potentially like other roles here too. Yeah. Yeah. Of like, I don't know, like Michael's been around the longest so like have him review the charts language or, or have Lauren do that as a city council or something. So yeah. Maybe we can start from the top. Okay. Who should like MC and do the goals and the agenda and the rules. I mean, I'm, I'm happy to do any, any type of role.  Is that great to have you kind of like offer, offer the grounding of the space. Well, yeah, I can do that. And then Lauren, would you want to do like the about see Jack piece, just like how we came to be in the charge, like as a city counselor, does that make sense. Yeah, I'm happy to do that. And then examples, Jeremy I think makes sense for you to do the budget equity tool. Okay. Right. I can do creative discourse. Yep. And yeah, maybe Mike, Michael. I'm going to tell. The responsive thing. And then I can do the like definition. Great. And then. I can do the tech for moving us into small groups, but would you, Jeremy, would you want to just like launch us into the small groups with like. Yeah, I can, I can set up like the structure of the exercise and prompts and all that. And then facilitating a large group discussion or large group discussions. Here's something I thought of, which might help us. So I was wondering if for this larger group discussion we wanted some kind of visual note taking as a screen share, which is something I can do. But not easy to do and facilitate at the same time. So if that's something we need want, I could do that kind of visual capture thing and Shane, if you could handle the group discussion facilitation. That could work. Great. Okay. And then I thought there was a mirror board link on here. Are you still thinking of doing that. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking I would do it. Great. And then closing. And I think this will probably be a little bit wishy-washy, but I think it'll be good to have one person like drive that forward.  And, and, but thank you and next steps, I guess, too. Yeah, that's fine. Great. Sign sign sign. Okay, and so then going back up to the top here. So we need to confirm people for their roles. And then. So documenting discussions should we just do that in a doc in like in a document in a, where are you thinking of doing that on mural to those long groups. No, I think in the small groups, it's just however people want to take some notes, they should just take some notes. Yeah. Yeah. Have people record on local devices. And then before getting to this real quick, I'm just, do we want to have like a PowerPoint with like the goals and agenda and rules and, you know, some sort of visual. Yeah, I think that's always helpful. Great. Okay, and so then for interesting microaggressions, I think this will maybe just go into the like small group conversation piece of, I mean, there's not many more of us to be checked in with but I feel like that does like make sense just to recognize like be prepared and recognize to tend to name to say, ooh, I'm not sure. Try rephrasing that that hit wrong to me or something like that. Just always a good practice to do you have on that kind of any like go to phrases or statements or questions that help. Yeah, do that. Just so we think it'd be great to have handy. It's not something I'm well practice that. We probably and my work we check in on it and practice like and are like actively suggesting that like probably once a month. Let me see if I can just like copy and paste something real quick. Put it down here at the bottom. Thank you. Why. Oh, because it's in. Thank you. Okay. All right, so making the PowerPoint checking with Mary. Confirm with staff with staff with committee members. I feel pretty good about this. If we get people to come it's going to be great. Yeah, part of our to do. Great. Lauren, should I hand the radio for tonight? Tonight stuff. Yes. Let me just. I was trying to hydrate I have my second vaccine shot in a few minutes. I haven't had breakfast yet. I've only had coffee. This is probably not the ideal. Ideal way to head into it. So, yeah, let me pull up. Okay. So I had a discussion last week and then. Or like last meeting and the last meeting and some of the input that. Some community members have had about the energy. Ordinance. I was. I had offered as you both remember to, to try to use our tool to like think through some different. Jays in the community. So I had taken a stab at using just that format from the. Budget tool. I don't know if. Maybe I could share my screen and we could just quickly walk through it and would love, or if you guys have had a chance to read it, which you might have. We could just talk about if you feel like there's. What jumps out at you. And if anything seems missing. I like Michael had gotten back to me and his, he said like the biggest question in his mind is, is this going to have an impact on home prices. And then it like, if it does, then that has potential implications. It's very unclear from the, what I've been able to find like the, there's, there's like a department of energy study that said people who provide this, their home price goes up a little bit, whether or not their home is more efficient just providing the information but that was compared to homes that don't have it so if our whole community has it. Like, it's been hard to find any kind of like Apple to Apple comparison or good data on this so the researchers you've been working with are like, they don't actually anticipate a big change in home price because of it like especially compared to the changes in home prices that we've seen where like the median price amount failure jumped like $80,000 over the last year from COVID demand. So, and actually there isn't evidence that a home, which is unfortunate for from a climate perspective perhaps but like there's not evidence that a more efficient home actually sells for more. So, that was like the biggest question mark that Michael had that I feel like I've been wrestling with a little is like because that that has implications like I think for buyers for sellers for like it's complex complex it's not like a clear like oh that's just a problem it's like well there's we have an affordable housing problem. So, access to buying homes is one thing like obviously for the seller if they get more money I guess that's a good thing but for them but. But anyway that was like the one thing that I feel like is not captured well in here that he had pointed out and I've been trying to get better data on and that's basically the status. So, what else jumped out to you all. And like my hope is to at Council tonight to like share a couple high level considerations about that jump out at this with Council. And so, if like anything to you is like oh that these seem like the biggest issues that you might be wrestling with or ways you should think about it or concerns to flag or possible benefits or whatever. I'd love to hear that. Yeah, I had a chance to look at it and it felt really great to see the tool being used in this way. I think even if you don't have, even if you do not have all of the things in it I think it's a really good structure for the conversation for people to locate concerns, whether their impacts are positive or negative. And actually, it just occurred to me. There is one kind of like larger impact here that I don't know where it fits in the tool, which is about, you know, addressing climate change. Right and like the benefit of that is hard to calculate. Perhaps but, you know, perhaps to mitigate our impact on the planet. We are taking care of ourselves as a community in that way so that's in some ways that gets lost in the details of, you know, kind of the various stakeholders and the kind of micro and well not micro but the smaller impact so there there's this larger frame that I think needs to always be made visible here too. I'm not sure if it goes in the tool or not. I mean maybe it is somewhere. I think yeah, I'm putting like a little bit of that in the young people and like young people would benefit from communities taking climate action as a generation that will live in the most harmful impact for the changing climate. But yeah, you're totally. Yeah, it's like these, we're talking about like marginalized populations for consideration but like, what, what about like the broader like the ecosystem that that is existing within. Yeah. And you know that to Shayna we know that people feel the impacts of climate change differently depending on their socio-economic status or other identities so you know, you know, you know, you think of long term horizon like larger scales of systems like this is an important step I think for those larger impacts. Got that learn good to go. That's, that's great. I mean I think that's like a good flag for this but then just more broadly because it is easy to get into like let me think of like the very specifics around the situation and like how do you make sure that this tool is continuing to capture like big picture goals benefits. Yeah, or problems or whatever that like might be part of a policy and like make sure you're not just so like in the weeds that those there have to be ways to capture those which you could kind of put it like each category acknowledged some of the big one, you know, like, what are you know, like you said like lower income people are hurt first and worse by climate change like is that captured here like we've got like the young people but like, you know so. Can I just edit this. Yeah, it's making me, although not every issue is going to be like this one but it's making me think about a version two of this. I don't know if either of you are familiar with some of the theory of change frameworks where you know you really you look to the long term change that you want to see as kind of the anchor of like why we're even engaged in this kind of stuff and then you can kind of from there cast down and cascade down into the more detailed steps stakeholders impacts. Yeah. Yeah, I could see like at the top it's like a way to capture like the big picture stuff and then go into like the more micro implications and potential mitigation. It's really helpful to use this and have a framework to think through and they were like, you know, like, we had talked about the need for city help but just like crystallizing a little more like what kind of community members might actually need that help and you know like people without reliable internet access people who might not have the computer skills to do it because it's an online tool. And so like, are we, you know, crystal clear with a community on like what exactly is available to help every single person who might need to use this at some point to be able to successfully navigate it and do it. That's because I feel like I'm like so in the weeds on the policy, like if you were like okay I was going to say like three of like the most like biggest equity issues that jumped out or like what what ones to you looking at this with relatively fresh people or like I would want to make sure that council and you know whatever community members are participating in the discussion like are thinking about X, Y and Z as like the big some of some of the biggest ones to be wrestling with I think it's like city making computer access is like that's a really interesting like thing for me writ large and I think that could be done through the library and I'm curious as you know I don't know if that needs with there needs to be any change, but I've just like recognizing the importance of computer internet access for all residents. Yeah just like seems like something to flag across the board. Yeah. Yeah, and do that to like what what personnel resources are needed to assist people with this. To do the work of complying with the ordinance. I think making sure there's a robust support there. I think you know the one of the leading net positive impacts is this idea of transparency of this, you know disclosure for people. So they make good decisions for themselves about, you know, how to buy and sell properties. You know, any, any, I have a hard time arguing against better information and better transparency so that people have what they need to make decisions so like that just seems like clearly one of the leading and most important positive impacts of this. The other thing coming up for me is that the issue of affordability and, you know, housing access in our community. This is not, in my opinion, this is not the thing that is going to move that needle either way. Like that is such a larger, there's such a larger set of issues and factors creating this housing shortage. I mean, we're talking more about, you know, market forces and the pandemic, and like so many other issues right so I guess I'm getting into some strategy here but to get this conversation away from from that specifically and kind of kind of a tunnel, myopic view of like, I mean, that's going to make housing more or less affordable or change like access to housing in Montpelier. That seems like kind of always have to like get people like thinking bigger scales bigger systems because that's what those issues are about. I'm not sure I'm making sense, but I don't know if I have anything else useful to say. Sorry. That was really helpful to hear those high level. Yeah, it's been really interesting. The input has been almost exclusively focused on home sellers and and the potential burdens on home sellers and like there's virtually no input on home buyer from a perspective of home buyers because it's like everyone's like who's weighing in sticking about like, if for when I sell my house how is this going to burden me. And I don't know if it's like that's an easier thing to think about them like in the future I might buy a home. I don't know. It's been like a very, very one sided perspective on it and like none of the benefits to like for every seller there's a buyer that now can make a better informed decision. Yeah, I think like, again, like that perspective. It's not really acknowledging the reality of our housing market. Yeah, I mean, you'd be lucky if you could buy a house. Yeah, I mean you'd have to like, you'd have to like, I don't know what you would have to do to not sell your house now. Because it's great right. Yeah. It's absurd. You know, yeah, maybe we need to get the realtors who generally want this to be voluntary or not exist because, you know, another hope that their sellers have to jump through. But like some of the, yeah, how many days are houses staying on the market now. How many homes are not selling in Montpelier like really. Well that that's super helpful and I mean that's anything like comes to mind before tonight. Welcome, but appreciate the input and chance to be able to talk with you guys about it. Good luck tonight. Yeah, well it could. I mean it's possible that it's the second public hearing, which is usually when we vote on things but sometimes if we want to get more or maybe even be the third. But, you know, if there's still ongoing questions or whatever we might continue working on it, but yeah, we might vote tonight to see how the, how the discussion goes. Oh yeah. Yeah, good luck. Thanks. Right. Right. So anything else on. I would say I will, yeah, we want to wrap up and see you guys next Wednesday evening. And then keep an eye out for Monday, the 24th, getting the draft report and then to discuss on the morning of Wednesday, the 26th. Sorry, that was a lot of numbers that was not that helpful, but I will put it in an email as well. Yeah, that's great. It's exciting. Yeah, here we go. Yeah. All right. And Shayna and you'll just like you'll be depending on RSVPs week will just stay in touch through email if it seems like reschedule if we don't hit some kind of critical math. Yeah, and otherwise we'll just, even if it's a small group, it could be a test run. Okay. Cool. Thanks so much. Thanks. Thank you. See y'all. You too.


All right everyone, we're going to get started with today's career pathway user group for January. We want to just welcome everyone back from the break the seems like the never ending winner right now, but it's only been a few weeks. So we're going to have you sign in if you haven't you can check out the link there. That's in the chat. And we're going to get started on our agenda. So our first part of that agenda is our welcome and introductions. My name is Bill Rose and I'm with the Illinois CTE project. We work in collaboration with Izby on the different projects going on in CTE and so our career pathway user group. Is a group that basically is going through a lot of the items related to the career pathway endorsement and so with us here today we have Jason Klein who I'll let him introduce himself and then Heather go ahead and introduce yourself as well. Hi everybody, Jason Klein, Heather is the star of our show today. So when we hand it over to her, we're going to skip right to her section. We did just drop the slides in. And so you do have some slides there for your reference, but we are going to skip right over those today to get to Heather section and to follow up while Heather's introducing herself and kicking things off. If you can drop into the chat who you are, where you work and what you do there that would be that would be awesome. Heather, it's all yours. Okay, good morning everyone, Heather, Luke and Illinois State Board of Education. Also the one who kind of oversees the CCB has been working diligently on these items. So I'm very excited today to show you the new platform and I was and I just want to do a couple updates on plan statuses and things like that being very transparent with everything. So we currently have 152 districts that have done an application, sent in applications for their plans to be reviewed for FY24. And again, within those 152 districts, some districts have multiple plans. So it is a time consuming process, but I've been chipping away at them. I think I'm through 48 of those 152 districts and providing feedback. And some of the concern I know that I've had is, hey, Heather, our plans are approved last year. Why are you sending them back this year and saying that you need to make changes? So the reason for that is not to be a stickler on things and say, okay, it doesn't work this year or that you need to change a lot of information. I am working to make sure that your plans are in alignment with not only the new platform which you'll see today and how that is input and the requirements that you'll see within that but also that you're in alignment with the rules. And as you know, the rules were not for public comment and we've taken all those comments and had a look with those and so those will go out officially here to the board. I don't know when that will happen, but we're making sure that everything is in alignment so that when you transfer your plans into IWIS, you've got all the information in there.  Maybe you need to add another team-based challenge. Maybe you need to change the course name or whatever, but that is the goal to make sure that they are in alignment moving forward because as we know, the requirement for all districts is to determine if they're going to issue CCPs by July 1st, 2025. So, 152 districts want to issue them for this year, but I also, on top of that, there are roughly 285 districts who have done an application saying that they plan to issue endorsements, maybe just not for FY24 but moving forward. So, we're trying to make this as streamlined as possible and make sure that everything is in alignment and that for those of you who have the plans and are going, you can be kind of those leaders on what this is going to look like and the requirements and so forth. So, I just wanted to put that out there before we start into the display of everything. Anyone have any questions on that type? On anything regarding that, then we will move forward. You'll get to see a lot today. I'm going to show you different components both within a district level view and then also what you'll see from the ISB view. And I'm going to copy the information right of the PWR platform. So, it's one of the plans that Jason and I actually created in there to do is a demo so he could get some information too and see what that looks like. So, we're going to, I'm going to show you how that would transfer right into the platform, which I haven't done that for yet. So, that'll be, we'll learn that together as we go. But I think here, I just share that. Can you see it? Okay, yeah. So, give me a thumbs up. Okay. So, this is currently just in our testing mode. Let me move some of this out of the way so that I can get access to all my stuff. So, this is what you will see when you log in. Now, in this example, they just put me in a random district. So, but this is, this is what you will see when you first log in to the CCPE system within IWIS. This welcome page, I have the ability to or is we have the ability to edit and you'll see that when I go into from my view. So, if I need to put any kind of notes, inputs, or, you know, announcements or so forth, that will be on that front page as it goes. So, this is just an overview of the requirements and that when is we will review the deadline for them. And then here, as you know, the requirements moving forward for 27, 29, 31, and so forth. Okay, so that's just your, that's just your homepage. And then when we start here, the first thing that districts need to do is they have to, before they can even start to build their plans, they have to add their individual career plan. That is your requirement and that is something that you will see. Once you submit that, then I'll show you what triggers on my end or on Izby's end that we know that you're ready to build. When this opens up for July and July 1 of this year, 24, because then that again, that's a requirement for them to determine if they're going to issue. If you have all decided that are on here have decided that you're going to issue endorsement. So that's how you'll start that the opt out options will not be available until July 1 of 24. And then once that happens, there'll be another as they decide they're either going to do the career plan, which indicates that they're planning on issuing endorsements. Or they're going to do the opt out and then they would provide evidence for the opt out as well. So that's how that that will look for this. But for our purposes, we're going to go ahead and do the career plan. So these are the exact questions that we have put in within the P. W. R. platform that guidebook actually has the information here. So a lot of you have been uploading a document that answers these questions. And I do believe I'm going to flip over to the current P. W. R. So you can see, you'll get to get a little sneak peek here of everything that I see. Let me find our pretend district. There it is. We're going to go with the engineering. And right here, we have our sample individual plan. Oh, I forgot. I'm going to have to open it that way to leave that open for us. I should open that earlier. Sorry. My apologies. I'll not. Oh, first question. Jason was very thorough in this. I am simply going to copy. Pop back over to the career plan and paste. So I'm going to do that. Nope. Let me go back to my document. I'm going to do that for all those questions. You can see putting everything in. So all of that is in. You have the option to save if you started the process and then you wanted to go back to it. You would hit save or you can do save and submit, which we're going to do if it triggers this. Okay. You'll see that the status for the career plan is submitted. You cannot move forward within the platform until that is approved. So what we'll do now is I'm actually going to. I'm going to log out of that. I'm going to go into the is the admin the here's where I can add information to the pathway endorsement for the homepage. And up here I have my approval. And so here's the request. This is the one that we just did for my tune. I can view this. Read all of the information that is there. Feedback in here. I'm in there for now. And then I have the option to approve or decline. So I'll hit approved. And then you can see I can see the status of that. So now I'm going to log out of that one and I'm going to come back in. Well, maybe I won't because it's not you'll see that I have the option to add is approved. If for some reason I had declined that you'll see that it would say declined and you can go in and make those based on the comments that are down in the box. You could make those adjustments to that and resubmit. So we're going to start adding a new pathway and all of your pathways all the plans that you build will be in this table here. And their status. So this first page that we have is all about the district information. So this is going to be pre populated coming from EPS the entity profile system. So that information is there. You do have the ability to change the contact name here. So this would be your district contact so that that person that would be responsible for and it could be the superintendent but that that person that would be responsible for inputting the information or who we would reach out to if there was a question regarding their pathway endorsement. So that's what this page is for. This again, you have the option here just district information. And as well as the pathway endorsement contact. So we'll save that and we'll move on to the first component. So here you have your endorsement area and if we remember we're going back to this one we are under manufacturing. I'm going to actually go into this plan here so that would be easier for us. So I'm just going to click manufacturing. This is going to be in part. Let me go back here. My apologies on this. I think we have that you would put in your summative statement. I don't know if we've got that for this one or not, but you would put in your summative information. I'm going to probably describe the labor workforce needs for this. So I am just going to put in something so that so we've got that in there. I'm not saying that that's what you should put in. That's not going to cut it guys, but that's just for this purpose that you can see. If I try to go next so I haven't hit save and I hit next it should have triggered and of course it's not. It should have triggered a thing saying you've got to save this in order to go. So that's crucial because if I go back to this you can see it's gone. So you've got to make sure and this is something again we know we have some things that need to be fixed within this. But our it team just hasn't had a chance to get that done yet based on I was working on this last night very late trying to get things done on this. So down here. We have a listing. So, as you know, in the PWR, it's very confusing once you get to that part where you have to do the institution and the program and the credential because multiple users and this is no fault of anyone's the multiple users have created, for example, College of Lake County, they've created that institution. So there's multiple listings of institutions, multiple programs. Sometimes you click on the wrong one and your programs don't show up and the credentials are incorrect. So we streamline this for this every post-secondary partner so you can see here it's College of Lake County. So you can just right there scrolled in now this one you're actually going to put this in yourself so you do not have to do the program. It is just what that credential is going to be or you can put the program and you could say mechanical engineering or you could say an associate in applied science with mechanical mechanical engineering. Sorry, but what we're looking for there is specifically that credential. So got that I'm going to add the credential and I can see it so you can add multiple partners. Make sure you do hit the add credential on there and then we're going to save this page and it tells me that everything's been saved. So that's the first component. Now when we hit next, now we're going to our courses and this here. Can I jump in here for a couple of questions that have come in. Sure. So, first of all, Kristen's question is not, not seeing the listing in iOS yet and Kristen, that's because it hasn't been released just yet. We'll, we'll talk about that at the end. You're a few weeks away from, from seeing this release, but this is exactly what you will see released in iOS. And obviously that will be both communicated by is being certainly in bill will send out either in a weekly message or if it's available on a Thursday bill will send out a message to the user group on a Thursday to give you an extra message on that. So that's, that's one thing in terms of when you will see it. The couple other questions I want to bop in here with another. Can you have more than one district contact. Can we talk about that here real quickly. At this time, no, it is just one district context that is there so there will be different levels of access. So superintendents will have first access to that so they oversee they can assign others to have access to this at what they call the district admin level which would allow them to complete a pathway. So that is a possibility for them to do that to enter the data in here. Um, can we also go back all the way out to the beginning and show a couple steps. Yep. Yep. Sure. So, at the very beginning, everybody is Heather showed us, you have to complete that individual career plan. And then it's got to be approved by is be before you can go on now once that's approved Heather, correct me if I'm wrong here, but that is then approved for multiple endorsements I can that is that is a one one and done, I guess I would call that so the way you will get to the home screen is through the I was system listing. So once it's available, you will ask you will you will add the system to your set of systems listed in the district level approval process. Yeah, it's it's in this area here now I'm in I'm in Q a here, but usually you have an option down where you can want to sign up, want to sign up for other systems it's there. Right there. Right there. Yes. And so, I'm trying to move you guys around. Okay, I know for some there's some people in here and I'm going to wrap up the questions now with one more from Amy, who references another I was system in. So some of you in here have have plenty of I was experienced there's others of you who haven't been in I was it all yet. And so what we will try and do is make sure you have those first couple steps screenshots of what to do for those first. So you can find books that you will have that accompanies us will have screenshots and walk you through the exact process. And then finishing up the questions for now so Heather can keep taking us through. Is there a printer friendly option to capture the whole submission when it's done. The I was e gms grants had had that as an option so you could like have that as your summary when you were finished. I will find out about that. I don't believe so but I will find out about that if we can make that an option. The last thing I'll say is keep throwing questions and we're not going to get to all the questions today, because we want we will pause a couple more times probably to try and do some questions, but we want to make sure we get through this. And then we will come back and answer questions and and we will have all the questions in the chat so typing questions into the chat is just wonderful so great because that also that also assists me in knowing what changes I need to make what that what I need you to make it. I want this to be as dream line as possible for everyone and as user friendly as it can be for everyone so please go ahead and put those in there and like Jason said if we can't answer questions or what not or even if it's just a comment about something absolutely I would take those in a heartbeat really honestly. So actually that was a good chance to pause because you can see here we started it and it's in draft status now. And I'm going to go ahead and edit that so that we can see so it takes you back to that that front page again. I want to show you one neat feature here this last page to submit and review by click on that. It can it shows me that I've done the district information I've done the overview and I'm missing all these components. So when we get into this course sequence which is next. If I don't have the total semester work equaling for or the credit the early college credits equaling six, it will come back is incomplete and you cannot submit your plan. I cannot click this until all of this says the validation says complete. So that's one way if you started to work on one and you've got it saved in there and then you come back later. I don't remember where I left off this last page will show you that. All right, I'm going to hop to course a sequence here. So this is a drop down based on so all you would really need to know for your course codes. If we go here back into this, you can see here that oh look, we didn't we didn't do course codes on that Jason. We've got is the first start. So when I go back into here, I can find technology and then the course we wanted was intro to intro to engineer. You can just start typing anything in here give you only those that are for 21. So it's not going to give you the whole list. So whatever you select here and then it automatically generates the course name for you for there. The local course name is optional. If you want that in there, you can put that in if you don't don't have to put it in. How is this offered we're going to go with a regular period course. So there's your three options. Sorry, I went through that really fast regular period block schedule extended time. For those of you who have programs or have courses that are offered at a career center or at a community college and the students are there for a block of the day. So two or three hours of the day that you know the equivalent to two or three class periods or more perhaps you're going to want to click extended time. And when you do that, you have to select two or more semesters. So once this gets updated, the one won't even be an option for you. This helps to identify those courses as we've talked about the availability for a senior student who takes an extended time course at a career center or a community college that would allow them to. I don't want to say overrides, but it allows them to the two year the two years or four semesters that may be condensed into the one year. So within that one class, their senior year, they're getting the equivalent of two years for semesters. And in addition to that, they've got their six early college credits. So that is why for that last page to verify that it is indeed and so we'll have more explanations on that on how to enter that. But that's the workaround that we've gotten. I don't really want to call it a workaround. That's the way this is going to function for those that have that extended time. So that if I were to look at the table at the bottom and I only see one course there, I would expect a description that says, well, it's one course, but it needs the criteria because it's extended time and so forth. So we'll just go ahead and just do one and I'll do extended time and I'll do four semesters. It's the equivalent of four semesters. Then you have the location at which the course is delivered. And so for here, I'm going to say the career center. And yes, it is early college credit. So now we get down into this part and I believe maybe we've got one here. Yep. Into here, the course code, course name. I'm just copying and pasting now. And then what type it is. So it's dual credit, but that's going to not allow us to submit this. So we're going to say six for this one. And the typical grade offered. So you have multiple options here. Just nine, 10, 11, 12, or it could be in either one of these. So we're going to go 1112 for this. So now we're to the course description. And this is going to be so we don't have the course description on this one, but we do have the answers to the question. So I'm going to grab this response. There we go. And then I'm going to take the this response. That is already put in. And place it right there. Okay. So those are answering the questions, the course description. Remember what we call this one. So this one you could actually get probably from the is be if you wanted the course description there. That was that would work for there. I'm just going to put in something simpler. That's not that would not actually qualify for that. But you've got all your fields filled out. If you were trying to add a course, add the course down to the table. So here's your table at the very bottom where it's going to show your list of courses. So I'm going to add the course. And there it is. And so you can put you build up your courses. So if I wanted to add, I think we've got one more that's on here. If I wanted to add an additional course, I could do so. And then it would show up along the bottom. So, but just for time purposes, I just want to show you what that actually looks like. So your listing is there. You can edit that. You can delete it if you want to start from scratch and go all through it. But I'm going to hit save. It tells me that everything's been saved. And if I go to the submit and review page again, it's going to show me that it's complete because that means that I've got, so you can save the page and it could show come back up and say that it's not complete because you don't have the four semesters or you don't have the total credit. So that's just something to be mindful of. So our next component is going to be the professional learning experiences. And you can see here, they're broken down this way. So it all falls under the one. So career exploration activities. This out of the way. Go back to here. What do we have over here? We've got the engineering. So I'm going to copy this and put it here. And then again, I've got my description, which I'm going to put right here. And partner name. We just want to have a partner name, but I'm just trying to think of anyone want to give me a partner name that we could use for the engineering pathway in this area. How about, how about Jackson enterprise? Thank you. What was that backster Jackson. Jackson. Sorry. So I'm going to say that this is not. An intensive career exploration activity. And I'm going to add that activity so you can see what that looks like when we get down here. So again, if we go back into here. We've got another one, the career field trips. So I'm going to add this. Oops, maybe not. Career field trips. I can, I can. I'm going to pull that description. We're going to use the same. And I'm going to say no on that as well. And add that. So now they're both listed here. And I'm going to save that. And now I've got my two you can add up to, I believe you can add up to six. On this one, but you've got your two added. And if we go and look at submit review, again, it's going to show that it's completed for that activity. So now we'll hop back down to team based challenges. Very, very similar format. Except. When we get to the competencies. So for team based challenges. First thing we've got. This is going to call it that. You're going to take your description. You do not need to pull in your competencies. A lot of you have your competencies listed in the PWA platform. And that's fantastic because I need to see that obviously for this, for this part. But I'm going to take this description. And put it in here. And then when we get to the, again, you can do maximums up to two competencies for both the technical. And you'll see here that based on your first selection. So manufacturing, it will show that specific pathways, competencies here. So for example, if we had picked a human and public services, it would show the human and public services here. So you don't have to go searching for them. Maybe to get the explanation of them or the definition of them, you would need to have that by, but you will not have to type this in. So for this, we have process design and development. Which is right there. If I wanted to select one more, I'm going to hold down the control key and click another, but it will not, I don't think it will. It will not let you go past two. Okay. So, but we know for this one, it's just the process design and development. And then we did teamwork and conflict resolution right there. Okay. And then the final product description, which could be in here. We'll just do, we'll just do a presentation. I'm not sure what it is. And the partner name, I believe this was Baxter. So we'll go Baxter. I'm going to add that to our list down here. Okay. So that's how that one looks. And if you, if you know, if you take a look at this, and I hit save, I've got that in there. If I go to this back page, the submit review page, you'll see it's telling me it's incomplete. Because there's a minimum of two required. And so we don't have two in there. So we'll just really quickly here add another. And this one, same process. I'm just going to pick some here that I think would work. We'll go with two on that one. You'll see them both down in this area. They're both there. I'm going to hit save and that they've changed. And if we go and look now we are complete with the team based challenges. And then our last component is the career development experience or internship. So again, I'm going to pull that information from our already created documents here. That's what we're going to call that. We'll have to break this down a little bit more rather than the description. So, but I'm going to, I'm going to pop it in there. Actually, this part here will actually, you will not have to identify competencies for your career development experience. So that's going to be a different prompt than they just didn't have a chance last night to remove that for us. So in order to get this to function, I'm going to have to pick some. So I'll do that. How many hours are assigned to this work? So again, you've got the hours that you have. You've got the 2040 split or a 3030 split. So you can add two different experiences here. They want to know if they earned course credit for that. So if this is embedded into one of the courses, you would hit yes. And you're going to say which course that is. That they can, that they are going to receive that credit for. So it's the same function within the course sequence. You're going to, you know, pick, pick this. And then you would have all the options for, or if I do the manufacturing, maybe we can do, maybe it's this one, the workplace experience. And that's where they're getting those hours. If you click no, then these are grayed out and you don't have to fill that out. And then just the question as to whether or not they were paid and we'll say yes on that. And then I'm going to add it and it drops down to here. And then I'm going to save that page complete. And the button has now turned blue. And so you can hit submit plan, which we're going to go ahead and do. Are you sure you want to submit and you say yes. And if we go back to, if we go back to our homepage then, you can see here that the status is that it is submitted. And all you can do here is just a view that you would not be able to make any changes to that once it's submitted. Any questions on that before I show you what the next step would be as far as on Izby's end. Anything in the chat? Nope, we're good. Okay. I have a quick question. I have a question. Sure. Sure. So if as you pull down, you click yes, students get credit for the CDE, but it is not listed as a manufacturing. It's in the manufacturing. Pathway, but it's listed in a smaller, smaller schools listed as a general. Internship class. I didn't see that option in the pull down. How, how were you, if they're getting course credit, you would just need to match it to the course code that they, that they would begin, you know, when they're uploading their courses information into this, whatever that course code is, it would match that. So you're right. It may not be, it could be like a 22, which is like a miscellaneous. It could be under that. So it's just however you've coded it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Good question. I know that, um, that there's been some questions regarding whether or not you can use the course where they're earning their 60 hours as part of the courses within the course pathway. And yes, you can use that. Remember the requirements for the course path pathway is that it has to be two years for semesters. Again, we have that, that option for the career center, but it has to be two years for semesters and then six early college credits. And they have to answer those questions. So obviously, uh, a course that is an internship, um, they're actually doing internship within that field that would, you could put that as one of your, your courses within the course sequence. I just want to call that out. I think there was some, um, maybe misunderstanding on that part. Um, when I was just thinking about the rules and so forth. So, um, can I ask a question too? It's Michelle Napier. Um, when you went and did the career development experience. Yeah. And I'm just trying to think there may be opportunities as we're developing our. Programming. I'll go. That they. Okay. Oh, the CDE. Okay. Yep. Yeah. The CDEs. So what if a student likes maybe in a path like manufacturing, it's in a class embedded, or they have a paid work experience. We can't have both as an option under the CDEs. Can you put multiple? Yeah. Yes. You can put multiple. Yes. Cause quite, quite a few of you actually list multiple options for that student. So yes. Um, and I see it a lot within, um, uh, the education pathway. They'll have, you know, a 30, a 30 hour one that's in one location or perhaps a 30 hour one that's with elementary and then a 30 hour that's with secondary, you can add them here. Yes. You would not be able to add. I'll have to, and I'll have to test it, but you, I don't believe you'll be able to add more than two. However, but at least I could put a course and then I could do paid work experience. So either one of those would qualify. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Because, um, your plan that you build. Um, is basically, um, showing is be what the options are for the students. And then it is on the district to ensure that they've met, like you said, they have those two options. So it's on the district to verify that they've done one of those two options. And so when we, when we talk a little bit about the course sequence and that kind of leads into a great thing. So thank you for that question, Michelle. Um, keep in mind that the courses that, that we expect to review are going to be those courses that the students can take that would fulfill the requirements of that two years for semesters. So could there be more than just say, say they were all semester classes, could they be more than four classes that you provided here? Yes. Because if that student has the option to take this class or this class, but they both meet the criteria, you're going to want to list those here. Okay. So it is just the courses that are specific to that pathway. So now I'm going to go into the, let me log out of this. Let me log in here and show you what happens next. So now I'm going to look at pathway requests. Oh, there's the one that we just submitted. I'm going to do this. Now they are changing this around a little bit, but I'm just going to show you what it looks like on my end. So it's basically of the same thing. So all of the information here, what they're going to do for me rather than putting it here. So here I have the option to submit feedback. And like if I say declined on this one, I can provide feedback specific to why the district information would have been declined. What they're going to do, however, what they're working on, because I said this would make it a lot easier for us when we're reviewing these is they're going to build it at the bottom of this page so that as I'm reviewing them, I can make comments to that. And then also the approve or decline would be on that page. So we'll go through and I will say I'm going to approve, but I'm going to, on this one, I'm just going to show you an example. So if I were to hit decline on two of them, it gives me the prompts here now. They're going to be on the actual pages, but I'll just do one. And I'll just say I would be more specific than this. Maybe I will. I'm trying to be specific because I can when I'm reviewing this. And I'm going to do that. And then I'm going to hit submit feedback and say, okay. Okay. So now as you can imagine, we're going to come out of this one.  No, maybe not quite yet, but you'll get there. We're going to go here and we'll see that it needs resubmission. So that if you go to edit, then you do the submit review. You can see the part that was declined and you can see the notes that are there. But again, once this gets revamped, which is what they're working on over the next two days, you'll actually see the, you can see it here, but the comments will be on that career exploration page, which will allow you then to see those comments right in there and make any adjustments to that. So if we were to go into the career exploration and we're on say one of this, this one, we're going to edit that. And we're just going to say here for information right there. And we're going to add that. So now it's added it to there and save it. So if we go here, you can come back and hit submit plan and it's the same process over again. So you've made, you've made that decision to do that. Okay, so that's how that is going to function. And you'll have the information right there on that. And so I hope that, you know, showing you how I could just pull that over from, from what you've currently have in the PWR. Yeah, I know that's a lot of copy and pasting, but it's going to get it set up. It's going to be much more cleaner and much easier to enter the information when you're starting a plan from scratch, because it's all dropdowns and especially with the this part, the post secondary programs with the courses, making sure you have the right course code, because it'll be what we like to call forced entry on that. Any questions, any comments, anything at all on all of that. That was very, very quick, but I just wanted you to see what we've been working on, what we've built, what it's going to look like. Quick question on paid or unpaid internship. Why is that a part of the process now? And what does it make a difference? April, I did respond to that in the chat that comes directly from the legislation, which requires it to be either paid or for credit or both. So that that data has to be collected. Also, as I kind of went off the script a little bit in the chat and said, you know, there are times that is be does get questions from lawmakers about things and that is a perfect example of something that they could get questions from lawmakers about things. I don't want to give any hopes up here. That's my concern about giving this example. But for example, if a lawmaker, if you are lobbying your lawmakers and you're like, we need money to be able to offer paid internships, then they would go to is be and say, how many districts have paid internships and so is be then can pull that data immediately. But the reason is, is he's got to be able to check the box that it is either for credit or paid or both. And so that's why that's asked. Other for districts that have multiple schools. How does that look for entering the data. Do we do it for each school or are we able to pick our schools. So you're going to build it at the district level and then the reporting of which school that would be applicable for will be at the end of the year when they do this. That's when it gets broken down into the school. So if the plans are going to be different for the different schools, and yes, you would have to build out a different plan for each school. And I would probably, well, I will tell you, I would encourage you to for your records to put the name of the school so it could be, you know, whatever it ABC high school, whatever plan that would be for them. And then if you have another high school, then it's XYZ high school for that plan, if the courses are going to be different or if they're different components that are going to be different. So for clarification as I'm making those plans then it would be like district to 11 dash manufacturing. But if it was only for two of the schools, then I would put district to 11. Put my two high school prefixes potentially and then that pathway. So it differentiates. Yeah, you wouldn't. So it'll be tied to district to 11 so you. You could put you wouldn't have to even if you have a district plan and yeah, I guess you would put it that way if it's separate then a specific high school would have a plan and you'd have to build that plan based on what that high school would be offering. If it's different than what the district plan would be. Yeah, that makes sense. So I wouldn't it's not like the current system where I would put the school names and I just become a district potential and then I just have to differentiate between the schools. Yeah. Another option though is if if the majority of it is is similar, but maybe it's the courses that are different. You have that option to make it a district plan, but then in the courses, you could list out all the courses that would meet that criteria, because what we're looking at is the plan itself. And then the reporting when that comes down in May that reporting then will that goes down to the school level. Okay, so you could do it either way. And the reporting is going to stay what we're currently doing or is the reporting changing. But right now it's staying, but we're working on building that into this platform or for it to be assist upload very similar to the course upload or things like that for the CCRI. So we're looking into that component. Okay, thank you. Hi Heather, this is. Oh, sorry, go ahead. This, this is that for I had just just a quick question. I know you said earlier that the application process you had quite a few. And you was going through those is, is that something that you will be contacting us once we need to start the next process if your application was submitted and say, okay, you can move to the next process. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. So I have. Let me think 200 and 285 districts that have sent an application as of and so my cutoff for that would have been December 15. Now, since December 15, I have received applications from roughly 10 to 15 more districts. So those districts will be getting a different message than what all of you would have gotten that says, here's your access to PWR and here's the way to get started. They, their email that they'll get and I'll be working on that over the next week or so. It's going to be. Thank you for your application. I've got you and as soon as the I was application opens up, you'll get access to that. And I'm sure they don't have to do double the work for building their plans because if their application came in after December 15, then they did not have the intention to put in their, their endorsement for 24. So it gives us a little bit of a window there. So, okay, but for those that have the 152 districts that have the have sent in the form for review for the 24 review. They'll get feedback. They'll either get feedback, they'll get the letter saying that they're fully approved with the with the deals and so forth. So, either way, they'll be contact that way. So, Heather, I want to kind of. So, so a couple of things we've got a couple of timeline things here to walk people through. So, if you're if you're waiting to hear back. On your application you submit in December in the system. When you get feedback that you need to make some updates to that to for it to be approved. Where will, where will I do those updates if I'm 1 of those districts. You would want to do the updates in the platform in the old system and the old system. Okay, next question. When do we expect I was to be available to everybody. We're going to do a pilot with a select set of districts to make sure to the best of our ability that it is functioning without any hiccups at all. And make sure that that it is user friendly so that we can cover all those bases now when we're building with that. So, once that gets done and the input that you, you all have provided today with some of the questions like the printer, the print option and so forth. And just clarification on things allows me to, to, you know, provide some feedback to our developers on things that could change and language changes and so forth. So those need to be implemented. And so our target is February 15. So, and then. And then we need the PWR system will remain up. Yeah, some time here. So everybody can do the copy and paste that you just demonstrated today. I have put in the chat that we anticipate that that kind of copying and pasting period would be this spring this summer, maybe even into early next fall. And then at some point, correct me if I'm wrong, here's this question in the form of a statement is be will communicate a sunset date for that system. Make it up right now October 7, like I'm just that's out of thin air. And so by September 1, everybody will start saying on October 7, you have to. That system will be gone so whatever that sunset date for the old system is when you're copying and pasting would need to be done, but to answer the question of. You know, how there's a question here from Patty, how many roughly how many weeks will folks have to migrate their day. We're actually talking months. Rather than weeks for that data migration to allow you to do that. And you can see it's not that if you have one endorsement. Once you've got it and you wouldn't want to do it until it's been fully approved. As Heather said, because then you're, you're taking the language that was fully approved with the rules. And, and we'll, we'll function better in the new system, which is aligned to those to those rules should be easier moving forward. I agree. Yes. Heather, I'm not seeing any other questions. So actually, so in the past there was the student projections that were done. I think those were abandoned last year. But Heather, do we still email the district projection of student participations, or we'll just get that when we, when we know how many students have earned it. Correct. Right. That is no longer a requirement. That was in the very, very beginning stages so that we knew potentially which districts were going to issue or we're looking to issue endorsements for the year. So it's, it's changed as you know, and I appreciate all of your patience on that it's changed just to make it more streamlined for everyone. And for data keeping purposes and so forth. So I guess I'm, I'm clear. How do you let you know how many endorsements that we will be issuing when it moves currently. You have the ability to issue endorsements for any of your approved endorsement plans. So at the end of the year, I will send out a spreadsheet that has the data requirements as far as the student ID student name. Which endorsement they received and just a few other demographics regarding that student. But that is how I will know if you've issued endorsements because you could have an endorsement plan built and don't have any students that qualify for that endorsement. So that's the expectation. And when we transfer this to Iowa, it will be the same. You'll have a listing on that homepage of all of the endorsement plans and our status. Hopefully they're all going to say approves. And so they're good to go. So what would happen on our end is that if we were to take a look at your submission of the students and the pathways. If we notice that you issued an endorsement in an area that you weren't approved for that, that would be cause for concern. Obviously. So that's how we will know what, what students have issued endorsements and in which pathway. So the seals that we put on their transcripts for the endorsement. I thought you would email those to us. And that's what will, that's what will happen again too. So once they're approved. And so that's the next component of this. And once they're approved and either currently right now in PWR, you're getting the email. And if it's approved when it moves to Iowa's and gets approved in Iowa's, you will get the email that has those seals. And that will be true for this year as well. I mean, because it won't be, well, we have them in the new system before the end of the school year. You think because it opens February 15. The seals or the plans or the plans that we had in the PWR. If you move them into that. Okay. Once it opens, then yeah. But we're going to function again, we're functioning now with, if you're approved, if you get the letter and you're of the official letter and you're approved, then you're good to go for FY 24. And then really the only thing you need to do is move that into PWR. So it'll, you know, and then I'll just click approve, make sure that it matches and hit approved. And then you're, you're good to go moving forward. So the other component of this that will happen, just say you're aware July 1st of every fiscal year. So for every school year, all of your plans will open again. You have an option to submit with no changes or make changes, but they'll set stay approved. So that's the next functionality of this. So Heather, we are running out of time. So I just want to reiterate that if other questions do come up, you know, they can access you via the office hours. You can find those office hours on the SB webpage for the college and career pathway endorsement. So check out those times. I also wanted to reiterate that we did have a time change for next month's meeting. So initially it was planned for the 15th. We moved it back a week to the 23rd. And that should be reflected already in your calendars. If you have not seen that calendar invite. It should be there, but just wanted to share that information with everyone before we go. I also want to just give everyone a chance to take the evaluation before you go. And if there's any follow up questions as we stay here for a few minutes, you can go ahead and add some of those. We are going to officially end the meeting for now. And if you if you have more questions or things that are more pertinent to the your specific school, I would say, you know, reach out to Heather during those office hours so that she can address those. Thanks again, Heather and thanks to the team. Thanks everybody for all your great questions. We've got those in the chat. We will share that with Heather who will take it to others in his be.


old partner friend, colleague, John W. Thompson, very famous, John, old guys like us when Paul Moritz talks about a software mainframe, it actually means something to us, doesn't it? And, yeah, that's right, so welcome. John W. Thompson, legendary IBMer, CEO of Symantec, and now CEO of Virtual Instrument. Great to have you on theCUBE. First time, CUBE member, my colleague, John Furrier. Nice to meet you. John, nice to meet you. Heard a lot about you. Followed you for years, actually worked at IBM for a short time, the 80s, and then HP, so followed your work. Well, I was there 27 years, nine months, and 13 days, but no one paid any attention. Who's counting? So, my first question when I saw you on the list was, I really wanted to ask you because you're very familiar with VMware. I mean, going back to the day when VMware was the old VMware, you knew Diane Greene, you had a relationship with them. I heard you had a look at them at one point, a look to buy them, things like that. So, you know, what's changed in VMware virtualization over the years, and from your perspective, how is it changed, and what caused it to change, and where do you see it going? Well, I think what's clear is that the economics around virtualization are proving to be true. And while VMware was certainly a leader into space in the x86 environment, the virtualization phenomena is spreading across all the layers of the stack. So, the storage layers being virtualized, the switch layers being virtualized, as well as the server layer. And while the concept of virtualization isn't new, having it applied to all of those tiers is in fact a new phenomena, and it gives customers not just better economics, but it also poses some new challenges for them to deal with, particularly around performance and availability management. So, Virtual Instrument is a very interesting company. We've talked to a number of VI customers, and a lot of people may not be familiar with them, but essentially what these guys do is they go deep probes into fiber channel infrastructure and find ways to consolidate, save money. Ports are a very expensive resource. I'll let you, John, explain in more detail what you guys do, but it's a very impressive capability that you have, one that's sometimes a little hard to understand for the average IT guy, but the results have been amazing from the guys we've talked to, and essentially you guys develop tons and tons of data from which you can actually respond and delivers real ROI. So why don't you take us through what Virtual Instruments does and talk a little bit about the value proposition, and then we'll get into what you're doing here at the event. Sure. Well, our heritage is as a sand optimization company. We were carved out of Finisar in 2008 by a small group of investors, which quite frankly, I was a part of that, and never had the vision at the time that I would be the operator, if you will, at the company. But what we do is focus on monitoring the end-to-end transaction performance of a given set of IO activities from a virtual server through the switch fabric to the array and back. And as you obfuscate that environment with more virtualization, the need for deep level performance monitoring capability becomes even more important. Think about it this way. If I'm just have a server and a storage array and a single application, I can probably manage performance pretty easily there. And the simple answer, life to date, has been just add more switch fabric or just add more storage capacity. Well, as you virtualize the environment and create this notion of self-service provisioning, it becomes much, much more difficult to determine workloads and therefore much more difficult to predict what the performance of that new workload might be. Our technology peers in very deeply and gives you granular latency level performance insight that no other vendor in the industry provides. And that's what makes us unique. And that's why very large transactions sensitive companies have turned to BI as the solution for their environments. Yeah, now I can verify that. I've talked to a number of your customers and there's really nothing out there like it. It's probably really hard to do, which is probably part of the reason.  You guys go right down into the weeds and pull out a lot of data. Can you talk about some of your customers and how they're doing with the technology? Yeah, sure. Perhaps one of the most impressive deployments of our technology is at PayPal. Obviously a very performance and uptime sensitive environment. If a customer decides that they can't get access to PayPal, there is an alternative payment mechanism so they can translate availability or availability challenges into real revenue problems for the company. And they started out as a simple assessment of their sand environment. And they move now to the point where they will deploy our technology across every port in the environment to make sure that they can monitor not just performance, but ensure availability. The head of the storage infrastructure there would say that prior to VI, they would have one to two outages a year. Since VI, they've had virtually no outages at all. And that's attributable to the insight that we give them on where problems might be looming that they can take corrective actions on before they become an outage. So with this product, which by the way is great, great capabilities, the talk in the world here has been automation, configuration management. Cell search provisioning is great, but what about automation? We are a monitoring company. We don't do configuration management. We don't do capacity planning. There are other tools out there from either device-specific manufacturers or people who are in the SRM business, like Symantec, that really do provide that. And our tools complement what customers already have. I don't envision that as time goes on, we will move into those spaces. We think where we are focused is an acute and growing pain problem for customers. So why dilute our focus to become a management tool when there are more things to be monitored, particularly as the environment becomes more abstracted by more virtualization and more layers? I think the challenge, if I could talk about that a little bit that you guys face, is that you go into an account and you're targeting fiber channel applications that are the most mission critical. And these guys have been able to justify a lot of spend. And what they do is they throw too many resources at it that they don't need to. And so you guys come in and say, look, we can save a lot of money, but the PayPal example is interesting because it's an availability value prop. Talk a little bit about those challenges and how you're seeing uptake in the business.  Share some of those metrics with us. Yeah, in the early days of VI's existence in the marketplace, we were unabashedly ambulance chasers. If we would hear about a customer that had an outage, we would be all over it. As they say down south, like a chicken on a June buck. And we would make sure that we could in fact demonstrate to them how our technology could make uptime more possible. What has happened or evolved since then is as the market has become more aware of VI's technology, we now have a more proactive approach, which is let us do a sand assessment. Let us come in and see what the current state of your infrastructure is and give you a roadmap of how you get from the chaotic environment of oh my goodness, the sand is down, to I know exactly what it takes to improve performance, to improve uptime, to reduce OPEX, and over time take capital cost down as well. Is that a four-pay service? There are several services, the first of which is an SOS for sand, which is I'm in trouble, I need help. And then there are a range of assessment services that are available depending upon the size and complexity of your sand. I envision that at some point in the future, we'll deliver a managed service as well, where we will in fact monitor and manage that infrastructure remotely. Our latest offering, which we just announced this week, Virtual Wisdom 3.0 has a remote management capability built in, its initial capability will be focused on us delivering support for our products. But over time, because of the security and sophistication of that attachment capability, we will be able to use it to monitor the infrastructure and manage to the extent that customers want to do that. So take us through what you have going on this week at VMworld. So one of the things that our colleagues at VMware would say is that the next plateau for them is to move mission-critical applications into a virtualized environment. And we think that can happen and will happen as customers instrument their environments for performance and availability. It can't happen without that. Because the mission-critical applications, hence those that run on a fiber channel sand, have been the ones that people have been most reticent to move forward. So our announcement this week is all about our next generation software platform, Virtual Wisdom 3.0, and our next generation hardware platform, which is an eight gig fiber channel probe that attaches between the switch fabric and the storage array to give you real-time monitoring capability of what's going on, unlike anything else in the industry. And so if you are contemplating pushing the envelope on virtualization and moving more mission-critical apps, gone from 40% to 60% or higher virtualized environments, you can't do that, in our opinion, without deploying the deep level of insight that we provide. You need real time. So obviously the whole market's changing fast. So your market opportunity's big, but you're targeting the entry part of high end of the market.  And you can talk about the dynamics around what you think the growth might look like in terms of timeframe, and then some of the issues around things like, are people even ready yet? Do they're staffed up and the service delivery? Yeah, good question. Well, first off, our focus is on the global 2000. And while we have customers like JPS Health or Mayo Clinic that you would not characterize as a global 2000 class account, they have one thing in common with those accounts. They are performance and uptime sensitive. Healthcare is a very, very important targeted market for us. But let's just back up. We think this market right now is about 1.7 to 1.8 billion dollars. That is the performance and availability sensitive market around the fiber channel environment. We have literally barely scratched the surface on that. While our revenues and bookings last year were up three and four X, that's a pimple in the scheme of things. We'll grow again this year 100% or better. And we think we'll be positioned as we exit this fiscal year, which would be June of 2012, on about a hundred million dollar run rate with an opportunity to be profitable within a quarter or two of that. And so this is a phenomenon that we think will only catch more wind in its sails as customers become more aware of our capability. And they see the opportunity to de-risk their move of mission critical applications into a virtualized environment using our platform as the underpinning. So thank you for sharing some of those metrics with us. And what are you at headcount today? I'm sorry? Headcount today? 140 people. 140 growing very rapidly. Wow, okay. Congratulations. Great to have you. You're a really impressive legend coming back into the operating role. Congratulations. Hopefully pass that off soon. I certainly had not anticipated that, to be honest. I was terrifically happy thinking about boards and investments and restoring a bunch of old cars. And I got involved in VI as an investor and that's turned into me becoming an owner. Hey, when you get lightning in a bottle. I'm sorry? When you get lightning in a bottle, you jump in. Yeah, it looks like you're having fun. Yeah, I am. Thanks very much. Thank you. It's great to see you. Thanks for coming on theCUBE. Great content.