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You guys heard about that? Batman clown Batman. Yeah Batman Batman versus clown Starring Jack Nicholson Starring Denny DeVito Starring Danny DeVito is clown men who stare at clowns It's an underappreciated film a little project that he did before he was man we know him as today Yeah, we we got Mr.. Ralph the movie maker made a video on Joker and Apparently, it's it's real like it's not a joke And I know how that sounds like oh very funny.  There's some stuff in there like oh, this must be a joke, but apparently it's real Ralph Tested by it and that's fine There'll be plenty of Opinions to go over and it's gonna be entertaining but you know in the time that we were waiting to discover whether or not this was 100% a realism We did our our movie homework. Did we not rags? We did do our movie homework. We did we spent many hours with our homework We watched some movies we watched who watched all the movies that people say that the Joker is just a rip off of I guess do you want to go through them? We we start with taxi driver, right? Yeah, we started off with taxi driver Wouldn't all that good? It was it was kind of I guess again I mean Definitely not definitely one of the weaker ones we watched it was certainly my least favorite of all the ones we watched Didn't think it was all that great We should probably try and do it. I mean we we've got time we could do a bit of detail if you want so Yeah, oh, um, I thought the pacing was really bad I thought that there were a bunch of redundant scenes that simply weren't necessary or didn't serve much of a purpose The writing was really clunky in a lot of parts. I think the protagonist motivations were very very lacking He didn't even seem like a real person in fact The they just did really didn't really didn't care for it So many people No, I know it's funny. That's all like so but my issues with taxi driver I think it drags parts and that I really don't like Travis Bickel And I know that that's not was like like who cares if you like when I was like, oh well I mean anything with them.  It's like, oh, I guess we have to get into all of these these little interesting tidbit tidbits, but His I guess the film is about him trying to find Motivation as in to do he doesn't know what he wants to do specifically. He wants to do something and Bouncing between a lot of different things because the the representation of what it's like to be a man a man with with plenty of drive but nowhere to I guess direct it And so like there's the influence there's the approach with the nightlife the This he describes the world as like scum. I guess he's referring to pimps and the I guess this some I don't know. I can't remember specifically what he says prostitutes definitely seem sexual and drug related he's got yeah, yeah, and He wants Palantine to be the one to to clean it up until I Guess because this is the thing. There's there's lots of bits them. I guess You have to watch some video essays to be clearer on but that didn't seem to work out for us They just weren't really they weren't really well reasoned But it's just we the the way that it describes why he does the thing that he does and the way that it tries to elaborate on His motivations is really poor To the point where I was I was really wondering in a way that I never had to do with Joker I was wondering why is he doing any of this? This seems to be in fact counter to what you would expect him to do or what he seems like he would do Just not Yeah, I might say I guess I take a softest stance to you though. I actually think it's pretty well made I just don't like it that much. Well, it's well made in the sense that Like I talked about like shots and cinematography and Execution of everything or well even even he is a character being this this this essentially a There I say creature. That's just looking to find something to work with he's bouncing between lots of different ideas there's this shaky ground in terms of understanding exactly What drives into each position? But like, you know looking at even discussions and reviews people argue to this day about exactly why he does everything He does in that movie Oh, I have a story here. I Quite finds I find the idea that he was looking to Commit to what could be considered a like a terrorist type plan with the with Palantin being redirected into Attacking that the pimps Being considered a hugely heroic act By a general audience when it wasn't necessarily exactly what would have happened had he been successful with Palantin is quite interesting I guess Look at the situation of how different things can happen And the the implication being that he's like a ticking time bomb and that this is only gonna happen again because he's He's so lost in terms of what he's supposed to do with his life I don't know. There's there's his elements to it that I do find interesting and performances the As as put lots of different direct directorial Elements, I just my issue is such a difficulty in connecting with Travis Bickel. I just don't like him I'm sorry.  Yeah, really really tough to grasp His thought process and why he does the things he does Not terrible I just I just thought someone said you're not supposed to like him. How many video asses did we watch where they said? He was relatable. He's relatable understandable Us liking him is what like drives us like they would argue the liking him is a big part of why the film is well written Is that it makes a horrible person likeable or something? I was just like, oh, I think at least two of the video essays that we watched Said pretty much that you're supposed to really connect with him He's so empathetic and you could just be usually level with them He's like you could see yourself in his shoes, but if that was the case that they failed miserably He didn't like a human being very Blank distant he had no real He didn't seem like a human being And I think they were trying to translate that through a lot of his dialogues while he struggles to maintain a lot of conversations and a especially with The girl in the coffee shop with Even with Palantine, he's blank for a lot of it until the end part Yeah, Palantine seems to be sort of like giving him some looks like you're a weirdo, but sure that sort of thing Even when he's with the other cabbies. He's just there Like he couldn't communicate very well, but he didn't seem to have any interests Film music literature There was just nothing that he just didn't he just seemed empty, you know almost like he was representative of something instead of a character a Person yeah out of all of the pro tags of all of the films we watched he would be my my least Understandable and and likable for me Oh, I couldn't I didn't like him at all. There was nothing to like about him There is nothing to grasp on to nothing to relate to him with really But well, I was just gonna say cuz Mel you've seen it as well. What's it? Do you have any thoughts about taxi driver? Well, it's been a while now that I watched it That's why I actually asked yesterday if I want to I should rewatch it now. I'm kind of feel bad that I didn't I don't know I Don't think it's super good as well. It's like I'm happy. I've watched it just for comparison But it's nothing I would watch ever again to be honest. Yeah, I wouldn't Doesn't have like this this Romantic thing going on with the girl and I don't know Whatever they do the the political stuff Yeah, yeah And that's just it's probably when he tries to get her into like a porn cinema. Yeah, like, oh, yeah Which is like clearly not not right Right minds. Well, I think it's supposed to just be a representation of how his brain works because at first He's like she's a normal people. She's an angel. No one can touch her. Yeah, who and then the second The it goes wrong with there. He's like she's like all the rest Yeah, exactly So it's more like a it's that one's more of an in-cell movie than the Joker or they about I Would say I guess taxi driver would be by default because I don't even see how Joker is in any way Quite clear with how Joker is an in-cell movie it's About a guy. Oh Got it. I just find it funny the in-cell movie should be a genre.  Yes Diehard in some movie. He doesn't have sex in the movie Okay, makes a psychological thriller action thriller in self-thriller. There we go. That's what you want to see Which which was next was it falling down Falling down was the one that we watch next and I enjoyed it much more Oh, I don't even know what much did that one is. So the falling down is about The main main character has Let's just say you I'm gonna describe this and you'll be like, oh, I can see how this is considered related to Joker So it's characters lost his job his mother is well I was about to say overbearing, but I guess we don't get to know a lot about that But lives with his mother His mother isn't overbearing. I would say that it's kind of the opposite in She seemed though the mother seemed to be afraid of him Like she knew that he was prone to just snapping She displayed to the detectives to the police officers there She displayed a real sense of fear that they were there a lot of apprehension when they went into his room She said, you know, don't tell him I let you in here and all that sort of stuff So she clearly was had a had a level of fear about him So what a chat said in cell doesn't mean what you think it means Wallace like it voluntary celebrate I'm joking that all you need to do to be labeled An in cell movie now is to have a male character who's not having sex at the time of seeing them in the movie That seems to be all that You know, but but maybe there's more to it because because the effect that he imagines a girlfriend in Joker That's enough to be like see it sell. It's like Okay, all right And Someone said I have a bad take on joke taxi driver. I'm just like not really bothered. Nothing. I said was untrue either of us Yeah, neither of us. I mean we could back up what we said. I Watched it. I've paid a lot of attention Kind of feel like my time was wasted. We even watched three guides to the movie Yeah Which would be awkward because they got a couple of facts wrong several times We had to correct the video essays about them because they were just objectively making wrong statements about it I just didn't my chalk Just didn't didn't like it. I but I know I could tell by a watched it Yep, I can see why this is one of the sacred cows but oh, well, that's that's the one thing that I recognize much like The Godzilla fan base or certain certain other events of a e-fabs history to criticize taxi driver is you're not allowed to do that, but We'll just happily move on. It's like, oh, well, you know, that was that falling down doesn't have that kind of Like like defensive shields hardly. No, it's especially because it's a Joel Schumacher film Which he's nowhere near as respected as Scorsese but I Prefer falling down. I Actually very much understood everything pretty much definitively and you can tell that there's a lot in that movie that's littered in to try and Just represent everyday life for the I Guess living the American dream quote-unquote, but the the I think I think it could work with American beauty as in the film of just being like It's supposed to be working, but it's not that sort of thing And just all of the the issues you'll discover over time in in your lives that can be related to the one that I just I just really like was the because they're all good I think to a degree but the the construction workers just the immediate like You guys are wasting time and you waste time because you need to waste time to get better contracts in future If you take longer and need more money to do x y and z then they'll give you more in future or maintain the same And so all of this is just bullshit and you're making everybody late and you're cutting off Good roads and he just has an rpg or or bazooka or whatever and he just There's a lot of Obviously he's reckless as hell, but the the movie ramps up with every scenario Starting out quite calmly with traffic. Yeah Yeah, it starts off with traffic very relatable moves over towards overpriced items in a little supermarket a little corner store At very very relatable stuff, and then it just goes up and up and up um, he's certainly a lot more empathetic Certainly a lot more relatable than travis bickle is um Well, see I think that a lot of people would Consider the difference between those two is one's a film the other one's more of an art film Taxi drivers more of a um much higher higher tier of movie. It's much more respected um falling down is much more of a casual movie that has a lot of casual traits, I suppose, but I I've been seeing a lot of um uh strong Feelings for for falling down a lot of people seem to like it. Um, which is interesting Have you seen the character before I just googled it really quickly? I'm definitely I've definitely seen that Character somewhere before I mean, it's a it's a nice Tragic little story. I think I think what brings it all together is the um when he looks at his tapes of himself with his family and how he can see himself Being overtaken by temper That's brought on the implication is that it's brought on by all of the little things in life Everything just getting to him slowly and the Um, he uses the small amounts of money that he has to support his family to buy things and and provide for them and if they if they aren't enjoying it or Using it it's making him more and more frustrated because that's how everything's supposed to work that sort of thing and so you could just I don't know understand his frustration and uh You get a B plot of of understanding the cop that takes him down the whole time as well Yeah, they mesh really well together. I uh, I thought that the the the cop and the protagonist Thought they I thought both their stories kind of running parallel was done Really well and both well acted and you're glad that things kind of turn out the way that they do and Wraps everything is wrapped up fairly neatly, but the dude in the um, the the uh, What was the store called the the type of store?  Oh like army surplus story. That was the one. Yeah, he was uh, he was a bit weird Yeah, kind of kind of weird kind of a weirdo guy Uh, but yeah, he it all gets sorted out. Uh, so there was that one then then uh king of comedy was after that, right? After that we watched king of comedy which I liked quite a bit. I really like king of comedy I guess to be simplified king of comedy is about a an aspiring comedian who idolizes a talk show host Um, and he's trying to find any way he can to break out and I don't know live the dream of being a successful comedian and The film sort of he tries a lot in the film leading ultimately up to kidnapping said, uh The movie starts off with uh with him really wanting to willing to start off the bottom sort of He starts off the bottom. He's wants to get into to show business with um, it's his name, uh, jerry jerry Jerry louis Well in real life in in in the film is jerry langford. I think Yeah, jerry langford. That's it And then he tries to get in with him and tries to get uh, he gets obsessive and you get to see jerry langford's uh His lament about being famous. He's always being troubled and assaulted and all that good stuff uh, but the thing is He doesn't um, the main character does get what he wants in the end his his kidnapping play works after that He he writes a book gets a million dollars. It's uh, it's kind of the opposite What the kind of um, I got a dark version or the inverse version of the your traditional american dream Where you how you work you uh, we work hard and you work Dilligently and then you achieve your dreams. He just kind of skipped to the top and committed a crime Ladies only committed a crime and then got rewarded with everything he wanted and I find like interesting movie one of the most subversive parts of that movie is the fact that his set isn't too bad Like the jokes he actually delivers once he gets on there. It's like oh pretty good. Yeah You expect it to be terrible and horrible and cringy and awful, but the jokes are actually pretty good He kills it on stage everyone laughs everyone loves him And I thought that was going to turn out to be one of those uh, those elaborate fantasies. He has but As opposed to artha fleck. He actually is in control of his fantasies. He knows when he's doing them So it turned out to be actually real which was interesting. I did not see that one coming that one Actually successfully severed my expectations. I didn't expect it either. It caught me off guard And I was like, oh wow and then when we watched it again It was the when we watched it today. That was the second time I'd seen it So all of that stuff was recontextualized and we picked up a lot of you know How the dialogue was very interesting now that we knew that you know It was on his head and stuff like that and it it it owes itself to a second viewing that I think is really well written Well, I recommend it and because they built up the entire movie that he's going to be this He's this guy who's a who thinks he's a big shot Very first thing we see him say or one of the first things we see him say is that I know I'm dynamite I know I'm really good and uh, you know, we we have the same vision of him as Probably the the comedian character the Jerry character and that oh, yeah, he just thinks he's good He's not really that good. He's an amateur. He's just starting out. He needs to start at the bottom work at the comedy clubs And then he turns in his video or not video tape But his tape of his set and they said yeah, you got some good things in there, but it's polishing so obviously by the very end by the time he gets on the stage it's you're kind of set and Ray to hear his cringy jokes, but he kills it. He's really good You know, it's uh, he he succeeds. It's um, it's worth mentioning though that with that film and taxi driver and joker There's still discussion to this day despite what the creators say about each film that uh, whether or not the endings are all real or not and now taxi driver, uh I believe the producer act Robert De Niro and Scorsese have all said it's real but people still say that it's a it's a fantasy at the end because he actually died Or that he's actually in jail And that he sees himself as the hero and that's why he's imagining it. Um for joker, it's it's for joker it's take any selection of the movie and It could be real could be not The whole thing could be real could be not like a lot of people are running with that and then with king of comedy. It's that um, he never Well, um, I guess it's like he may never have left jail and that um, yeah He was never successful and that there are there are visual cues to imply that he may very well still be in jail Or that it is real It's it's very It's it's you know, it's interesting to talk about in terms of what the references may or may not show But I don't I don't find it useful to just be like was it all the dream. I don't know moving on You're like, oh, okay I personally disliked that whole it was all the dream thing I prefer to be to be real if I can uh, if it can be argued that the whole thing was real but within the the case of um of Putton I think what that's his name he has after keep you getting his name but the the main character putton He is he we get to see him. He has a very vivid Imagined he has a very vivid imagination. He has very vivid fantasies and we get to see him are like kind of playing one out as if um He and the comedian character the gerry character were friends and colleagues And he gets so into it that uh, he kind of disregards real life So it could be argued on that note that the very end all of that All of his success his million dollar book deal his uh him having his own Comedy set and people introducing him and people loving him in his red suit That's uh, that could be yet another elaborate fantasy that is actually foreshadowed in the beginning of the movie So it could be argued that it's real it could be argued that's not real It's both could be plausible and I would say that of the three The most ambiguous ending like if you were gonna say of all the three if the the three endings were A dream or a hallucination or whatever I think king of comedy is the one you could most justify with it. Yeah For a taxi driver, I don't think you really could much at all for joker I don't think you could either especially when it pulls away from his perspective to Thomas and thomas's wife the the wanes getting killed Yeah, he I don't think he would he certainly wouldn't imagine her getting killed He wouldn't want that we see him Uh sparing people who are nice to him. That's kind of his whole deal. He has a system. He has a structure Nah, but with king of comedy you're like, uh, maybe maybe uh, maybe this is all I like the I think it's It could happen. I think that if someone managed to Bar to their way onto a thing with like kidnapping or blackmail away on whatever Uh, the if they had a good enough set that they'd have enough fans to pull them back into the uh the spotlight Possible and yeah, rupert pubkin is his name and pubkin's name rupert pubkin. That's it. They pronounce it wrong throughout the film It's a good running joke. Because Mr. Pumpkin is here pumpkin, yeah And pipkin and stuff like that One thing I really liked about his character rupert pumpkin's character was that he'd never changed his demeanor really But he went from a guy you saw as a normal enthusiastic guy who's really energetic really passionate about his his chosen path of comedy being a comedian like the like jerry And without him changing his demeanor he goes from A guy you might see as just endearingly enthusiastic and endearingly passionate There's someone who's insane by the time he does the kidnapping portion of it he's um the the part that really like sells that pubkin has uh problems to me is um when because I think one of the first illusions we see uh there's like Freedoms to to imagine that it might actually be happening, but it's a bit confusing But then once you discover it's like oh none of these are happening like they're very vivid and um I think that so the first so you him getting in the car with him That is I understand supposed to be real. Yeah. Yeah, that's the interaction that he uses with his obsessive mind to base everything else on um, he he hangs on to it and it essentially is the The spark that starts everything becoming just worse and worse And um, you get the one where he's like talking to him about how he should come to his house And stuff And then he actually turns up there with it with a girl who's who's not it or the delusion So she's like wait what? Yeah, yeah, it's cool. Your your friends with this really famous person and uh, all of a sudden No, he's not really they're calling the cops And he's like, yeah, you know, you're just like all the rest you're a terrible person immediately turns on him instead of him being like a hero um Yeah, and then when that's when it gets cranked up to kidnapping which uh Is he carries out with like like a literature devil said his his demeanor doesn't really change for the whole thing He has this very cool collected kind of aloofness Um, he it's almost just like well, I guess the next step is kidnapping and he's he's very logical kind of he's sure that he's good So he just needs his break. That's that's all this is he's he's just certain that as long as he gets people to listen Do his jokes give him a chance that he'll be successful and it turns out he was And I think the fact that his Routine that's shown at the end being so good. It kind of indicates him in a way where you feel like Okay, uh Rupert has he actually is good and maybe that's part of it that really frustrates him Like he he has an out he of all these guys. He really does have an understanding of good comedy And that's one of the reasons why he feels so frustrated why he feels like he needs to go to these extreme lengths Because he knows in his head that my stuff really is good He's not just being denied for For the lack of talent it is Simultaneously a bit of a crazy person as in for what we see Yes, it was a bit crazy as well. Um, that's what mixes it. Yeah, no, it's why I I do like that movie quite a bit um very interesting idea to Like the the whole film focused around just a character who wants to be a successful tv host like Um, and I think when I'd first seen it. I didn't expect him to freaking kidnap him I was like, whoa. Oh, no. Yeah, because he seems kind of meek, you know, he doesn't seem Like he doesn't seem too confrontational at least not to that degree Um, but he never comes across as malicious if anything comes across as desperate and he doesn't want to hurt anybody um He just really feels like this is the the last option for him to see his dream happen And then uh, you were never really there. That was the The other one that was the other one. Yeah, I'd say that's probably the most art film out of the four actually Uh, if we're gonna that genre is ill-defined as it is Yeah, so that's a movie about an ex veteran who takes what you could call like wet work jobs to try and rescue It's complicated because we don't know exactly but we see him The job that we see in the film is he's trying to rescue a little girl from being like essentially sex trafficked I think And You know throughout the film you discover more and more of his his past that brought him to where he is more about himself and uh There's a bit of a subversion in terms of there's like a final fight, but it doesn't end the way you'd expect because the um The girl in question, I don't know how much I should say so I don't know how many people have seen it, but uh Uh, the reason why it's Relevant is it's a film with walking phoenix with mental illness A mental illness and he lives with his mother like that is the um the connective Issue to joker I imagine but um, again, I don't know if we've specified this yet But these films are all extremely different from joker. Uh, yeah, which would you say is the closest to joker? um It's not uh This is the thing I suppose you could pull pieces out of all of them Yeah, there's pieces in all of them. Um I would say that king of comedy is the closest to joker, but that's not saying a lot because it's I have to say that There are several several parallels between kingdom comedy and the story of our arthur flick and the joker. I mean the Rupert pump pupkin lives. I mean he kind of he lives with his mom. It's very clear. He goes he has these elaborate fantasies Uh, he wants to actually Is it clear that he really lives with his mom? Well, we ever hear is her voice. We don't ever actually hear her voice. He might and you know, there is that um There's a fact that he made that joke during his set That uh, you know, he's been dead for nine years So he she might be dead and there's might she might just be an illusion But um, he his mother is a factor in there like uh, she's just somewhere in his mind somewhere So there's a the mother factor Uh that she's still with him and then there there's a fact that he wants to uh, he has an obsession over a talk show host stand-up comedian sort of character But their motivations are different Their goals are different But I could see a lot of parallels between the two characters and the their two characters journeys Yeah, I think there's the closest uh, it's closest there. Yeah, but um, man, are they different though? Like First of all, just just go as far as being like joke is clearly on a um a more murderous uh path let's put it that way uh, because The conclusion for both characters is dramatically different the world they're living in is dramatically different the uh motivation Is both similar and different as in uh, both aspiring comedians, but uh that is and That stays uh rupert's motivation and conclusion with the film, but but jokers evolves, uh so I think uh Rupert pumpkin his goal his entire goal Is to become famous so that you can all the dreams you see him have can come true He wants he has a very um very vivid imagination We can see vividly all the things he wants to happen. He wants to become famous He wants all the people who uh disliked him or wronged him to just come back and apologize To acknowledge to him that they were wrong for doubting him to marry the woman of his dreams all the good stuff joker Arthur fleck on the other hand, he's not really looking for fame specifically He is looking for meaning in his life some sort of identity and that plays into the main themes of the joker movie Yeah, um, and I get well I was gonna say I didn't mean to skip over you were never really there but that is uh I just I don't know it feels like out of the out of the four that we've got over That's probably the one that people haven't seen the most and so I just I just figure that it's Probably better not to say to put a feed on it's a It's rather non-linear and the interesting thing that I found was that um It was almost recommended right by several people, but if you look at the reviews for it that that film has been quite uh Uh Beaten let's say like people People are very unhappy Yeah, um, I didn't dislike it though. Um, no, I didn't dislike it. I was actually quite hooked uh for a while I was too, yeah and and Joaquin does does fantastically in it, uh portraying this this because A lot of the film is is very focused on on abuse and what it does to a person it's very clear in the protagonist and the um The the the gill in question the gill attempted to be saved again. I'm just trying to avoid going any further than that, but um Check it out people. It's gonna it's gonna pop up from what I know because the these are the films that are all referenced by ralph to be interested we can we can talk more about them as we um Get there. Also, it's called you were never really here. I think I may have said They I don't even remember what the name of it was it's um The shout out to I conquer in the chat. He said actually bugs life is just a worse seven samurai There you go, never really thought about that way, but I guess you could make that argument. Yeah Well, I suppose that'll bring us nicely into the next topic that we should probably go over Which is what is the difference between referencing something being an homage to something being inspired by something and ripping off something Uh, apparently if you hate something it's ripped they ripped it off if you like something it was inspired by And depending on how broad you are you can start to connect basically anything like uh What film am I describing a a group of uh individuals work together to go on an adventure to prevent a dark force from essentially brightening its stranglehold over the world Ah lord of the rings. Nope star wars every movie ever And obviously you might be like that's way too broad. I'm like, well, I don't know It feels like uh people get very broad when it comes to claiming uh rip offery for for a lot of stuff um Captain marvel That yes, I described captain marvel the the team are captain marvel and fury and the dark force is Uh, what's his name jude law? He's the Stranglehold over the world Someone said incredibles the warriors ghostbusters Suicide squad I think lord of the rings is probably the most the thing you'd expect especially because it's because I said dark I think most people would be like, ah mortal Oh, that's what I was thinking you said a group of individuals also known as a group Yes That was almost misdirection. I was just like trying to extend it Like imagine multiple individuals Many of them more than one Um varying heights So, yeah, uh, I guess the question becomes because there there are a couple videos that uh believe joker is uh blatantly stolen from scorsese Um others feel that it's simply inspired and taking from great works You know just moving and that's what um A lot of people whenever you do an analysis of star wars people always want to mention the the flash gordon cereals or the influences from Uh, japanese movies plus a combination with western iconography and stuff like this and do you like did you rip those things off? You're like, no, no They never say that in a derogatory way if they say it was inspired by right Well, uh, and that's the interesting thing because we agree that ripoffs are a thing, right?  What the? Yeah, as far as I haven't seen kimba But I hear it's a ripoff. Yes, um, I keep hearing yeah heard the same thing Is you never hear it was it was a a an homage you never hear that it's a a Or even a retelling. It's just like not I ripped it off I guess a classic example probably be um, uh, a new hope versus force awakens Was awakened depending on where you stand on that I suppose because a lot of people are like, no It's just trying to tell the same story But to a newer audience and then other people are like, no it ripped it off and it ripped it off poorly You can tell the same story without just copy and pasting all the major plot points, but poorly over to your new movie And so um, I guess big or laser how a task today is to figure out what What joker has done and to um address And and and clarify these these perspectives from a certain Ralph the movie maker to see if uh, they People are saying that kimba and lion king are vastly different. So if that is the case I'm ready to believe it. I just I just I have a yeah, this is going strictly from what I've heard I have not looked into it. I think I uh, I looked into it a long time ago. Just a little bit I didn't actually watch any of it. I just looked read about what the synopsis was and I think the Kimba the white lion actually goes to the real world that the the human world and hangs out over there for a while Simba doesn't do that So I'm really sure what the series is about but distinctly remember that kimba the white lion Somehow makes his way to to the human world and stays with them So that's not what simba does. So I know it doesn't seem like a rip-off at that moment So I don't know. I'm not really sure Ready to believe that yms talked about it on his stream and said examples used to say that lion king was a rip-off a super cherry picked I can I can see that.  All right. Yeah, I'll I'll check that out if he does That'd be interesting Someone's saying uh willow and lord of the rings Um, I mean There are there are things for sure. Yeah, I think it was actually an inspiration. Lord of the Rings was actually an inspiration for willow Because I think George Lucas wanted to make his own lord of the ring Well, yeah, he wanted the rights to Lord of the Rings to make them into movies He couldn't get them and so that's how the story goes as he was like fine. I'll make my own It's like, all right. Well, I mean I've seen I know Lord of the Rings at willow pretty well And I don't really like willow that much, but I I don't know I don't think I would be comfortable calling it a rip-off of Lord of the Rings. It It depends on your definition Like if someone was like he's clearly trying to be Lord of the Rings I'd be like, I mean, I guess There's a lot of like differences One of the weird things to me is that there is a fellowship But they disband like in the first I want to say 20 minutes of their adventure. They just they all go back home and willow's like, oh, okay I need to carry them But he meets up with Val Kilmer's character and Val Kilmer's character is the one that a lot of people will say like saves the film in terms of Like entertainment value in a lot of ways Willow was a good movie. I like I wouldn't say it's a good movie, but uh in my opinion I really like that movie. I haven't seen willow yet It's it's interesting. We could check that out sometime if you want to but I've heard it's interesting And I've heard that some people really love it and I've heard some people think it's terrible So one of these days we got to add it to the list go ahead and add it to the list the movies we got to watch um Is that I guess that's it for the The movies that we had to watch for homework right because then we watched The other things we've been watching are more just oscar nominated films that we need to uh catch up on in terms of What's good that came out? I don't know if we want to talk about that or not We could probably save it for another time But yeah, we could save it for another time or we could just briefly just a brief We saw this and we thought this Maybe just give people a little little updates. Um Let me Actually go through our downloads. Let's see all the stuff that we've been watching Uh Let's take forever my download. I need to clear out my downloads folder. Oh well from memory. I mean We can stay vague, but joke. Yeah, we saw jojo rabbit and it was really good Give it up.  Okay.  So we're gonna have to do something about that What what do you what do you normally go by? Uh, if you were shortened it down to lit dev lit dev Call you devil Devil can we call you satan? The rise of darkness The lord of lies No, we found out from infinitisms the devil never welches on a deal or whatever Okay, then he can't then let's make a deal satan You tell i'll ask you a question and you answer it. So Did you see jojo rabbit? Did you like it? I have not seen jojo rabbit. No, all right. Um, We saw the lighthouse Yes, and I liked it. I like it too. Um, I like it It's it's not a conventional movie in any means. Oh, no, it's kind of it's like it's artsy But in like a good way like legitimately actually a good way I was pretty pretty hooked really Um, and holy shit willem de faux. Holy shit, man The fact that he was not nominated nominated for some award is a crime I don't understand how that happened Did either You watch him without film and he is that character willem de faux is gone It's just this uh Yeah, he did very well. He did very well Did you see the lighthouse satan? No, I haven't seen that one either Well, maybe you saw the other movie that we watched this actually in reverse order I'm going because I'm going from left to right on my downloads folders. Wow. We saw parasite Yes Parasite was good Are you and I the only ones who've seen that here?  Um, yes He just just every every filmmaking element was was was popping Um, and a really really cool story that I felt I hadn't really seen before and it's um It was only after the When when the like to remain vague when the brother begins to bring the sister in that I was like Wait a minute. I guess What's happened in here? I think the end was a bit tizmy. There's there's some tizms there.  Oh, yeah, I watched that yesterday in the cinema. It was very good Go watch it again again.  It was very very good We can we can probably elaborate on them as time goes on, but obviously we've already uh We're coming up to an hour long intro here, so Just a quicky little uh quicky little you know just uh looking at the uh Look looking at the films Brushing up on our I don't know if we're gonna do it. I don't know if we're gonna if we're officially gonna do the fappies But The only reason why I'm against it is because of how we haven't seen Like how would it work? How do we nominate? How do we vote? How does and I know it's all for fun So who cares, but I'm like, I don't know we can what we can do is we can have personal fappies together Oh, no, not again But we can do I just like the idea that we'd all the day at the the chat get to vote on which wins I would legitimately be curious to see if we did line them all up What the chat would go for and then we could measure that Against like what the the professional award-giver people are at the Oscars Or the Oscars if you're in canada judging from chat, I think parasite would win people very uh positive about the one Well, I I know movies For next week when I'm in the training end Is that with parasite I wouldn't agree. It's the best But I can certainly see why people think that because I really liked watching parasite Because I don't know if mine is joker or 1917 Um, I love both of those. They would be my top two for the year Yeah, they would those would be top two. Um, I would like to watch 1917 again because joker's fresh doubly fresh because I watched it today so Well, yeah, I guess Naturally, I I think that brings us into today's topic, which is um, I did sort of introduce it earlier But we're out with the movie maker made a video and the second he made this thing Um, fucking I got obliterated with dm's on twitter a disc called Like Okay, so somebody said that parasite is a movie about j and effa We have been parasitic to his channel. It's true. Uh, well I should go for the toilet quickly. I shall be right back Yeah, well, I'm gonna go to the toilet before we start fine. I'll do all of the procedural Introduction to them's fine. I'm okay with that. Hey, Satan Hello, he's satan's randley civil what I need um Yeah, so so I got set this video and I was like what the world's going on It's just like it's a bad tank ball or it's terrible that I was just like, oh, it's probably not like, you know that bad that you check the percentage on it as in the um For lack of a better term the approval rating the ratio And it was like I think 70 percent after a few hours and I was like, whoa, like whenever that happens That means your own fan base is upset and it's like damn And I haven't watched this video yet. Is it so I have no idea. I've started it. I didn't finish it Uh, is it I've heard uh, it's really that bad well We've got I've got I picked up a selection of comments from his own fan base. Um after after seeing Me and ranks watched six minutes of it and we decided okay, okay enough like this is we have to talk about this because um You know The idea that there are ways to write stories is enough of an issue for people as in a lot of people like no They are not you just do whatever you want But the idea that there are ways to write reviews Oh my goodness. We're stepping into very Controversial territory, but I just I don't know there's gonna be a lot of things he does in this video that I would very much recommend against um Why are you being so racist right?  That would be uh very accurate Also, I realized that that was an inside joke, so I probably should have done it But I called you literature angel the description with your leg Of people like why did you do that? I'm like, oh, yeah, that wasn't live. I'll call it devil I don't we don't need to explain that but it was it was funny. Okay chat geez You wouldn't get it Why why must you shout why must why must you be such a belligerent? We didn't do nothing It's the fridge right now searching for beer German in the beers. What do you mean search for beer where don't you just isn't it just in your fridge? That was piled on food below food Kind of where mine is In my belly Well, I hadn't got Austin powers. That's a trilogy. I need to rewatch I like to watch that about every two years or so Austin powers Yes, no, I've heard uh, I've heard 1917. It's also a really good move And uh, it just involves a bunch of pen and more. So is that also an in-cell movie? Yes, they do not have sex in the movie. Okay, there was no fucking in this Like the whole army all in cells out of them knew it With their wives and children at home fucking in cells Oh, I guess we could talk about that really quickly, but the criticism of 1970 for not having enough women in it It was like Yeah, it's it's true to the time, but I mean we move past that we move past truth and and facts We need to be more woke these days and uh, there was Like like the the argument was obviously the the counter argument is obviously but that's accurate And then the response is like How much do we need to like this is not me saying this this is from a tweet How much do we need to talk about the world wars? Like haven't we done this enough now? Like can't we talk about something else? Can we make stories about other things? Too many too many movies about these world wars Can you imagine? I mean, what were they anyway? I mean just uh something that happened a long time ago.  They had guns whatever it was a long time ago um But yeah, sorry back on track, uh So yes this this this video and so and so we were told by several other sources that This video's point is to trap things like uh e-fap or whatever and I was like, huh? And it's like there's there's references at the end that um Are almost meta in relation to responding to critics And so the theory goes that this video is presenting poor arguments on purpose to be like Ha got you Why block that why block well, I was gonna say uh, we will not be showing the original on stream today because we can't Uh ralph has disabled playback on anything but youtube with his video And he's this is like the only video he's done that with I can't imagine why there's there's no reason I could possibly imagine reason why he would do that What a mystery um, but of course, uh, people have already well funnily enough people I think re-uploaded it Um because he took it down temporarily to deal with like a copyright issue And so someone was like, oh well, I just have a copy anyway, so we can play it and watch together Yeah, so to uh, someone sent us a link, you know who you are. Thank you very much for doing that. Yeah, uh We discovered We discussed because originally we could watch it and then after he I guess when he re-uploaded it or sometime they're around Disabled it for replay on external sites, which is something that you could do with your videos Something that he tells to do so Yeah, again, I'm not going to ascribe motivation. Who knows why he would do that There's a myriad of reasons and uh Is he scaring is he Protecting something is he I don't know maybe his hand slips. He just doesn't want people playing it on other sites He wants people to be watching on youtube makes complete sense just protecting the brand. Do you know? And so yeah, it looks like you're all in. Um, I guess there's there's nothing else to say other than yeah So we'll check it out and um, if we if we've been tricked and this whole thing is a trick.  I think we're good. Okay. Then I'm excited Uh, let me let me pull that cover off. This is the introduction. Yeah, okay, so Just in case I don't miss it says introduction on screen. This is this is it So, you know, I don't like to be serious, but we lost a legend and it's very sad In 2016 Universally acclaimed actor Jared Leto took on the role of the Joker and he gave one of the most memorable performances of all time You want no beef? You don't want no beef? You don't want no beef? you know um We've talked about uh, because me and rags mentioned that we were watching joker, uh It's so great that that waki managed to strike it out on his own and make this new uh Or it was just a different joker character while also being in in the same zeitgeist as heath ledger's joker But maybe this joker made it easier Because it's like oh god, please anything but the lower the bar is set that bar way lower And then it's bad in that last guy It's amazing how much this joker was hated even though he was just in like a little bit in suicides quarter He was very upset at Jared Leto that um The uh his parts were cut significantly. Um In suicide squad. Yeah. Yeah, apparently he had way more scenes and it's just interesting to be because he's like, oh man I don't know. Maybe that was for the best The editor says oh, this is his joker. We have to cut him out. He's gonna score downsides this guy I'm an idea Please stop it I have to say his his portrayal of this joker was fairly memorable That part might be sure Have you wait? Have you seen suicide squad ranks? I have not I've heard terrible terrible terrible That's one of the things we watched when I was first over at molly. Yeah, when you first came to visit We watched that with alcohol. It was such an experience. It's such a tizm movie. We watched suicide squad and the uh ghostbusters movie Oh Yeah, um Good stuff good stuff. So anyone has nothing to do with ralph's video. I just it's just interesting to think about Yeah We're gonna miss you jared. I have a very Cynical opinion of joker. It's so cynical and you can tell i'm annoyed that I have to watch the movie You guys could kind of tell with the aquaman video. Oh, they're really running out of ideas, aren't they? But you can really tell with the joker one I guess in reference to dc um I don't know the aquaman. That's not what I would have said about aquaman after watching it.  I I when I watched this the first time I didn't think it was cgi. I didn't even Didn't even occur to me I mean, yeah, I didn't notice that it was cgi personally I can tell you now it's cgi I yeah, I even if you When we first watched this to we just we we screened this for the first little bit of this video um When he said this I still can't see it. Maybe i'm Maybe yeah, maybe there's telltale elements of cgi that would give it away, but um, to me it looks really good I mean, yeah, it looks pretty good to me with proper one way or another nothing wrong with it And I'll say that if you are I guess if you're covering the joker and you know that it's really beloved by a lot of people And you're gonna take the position that it's like not good and stuff like that I feel like you could have better examples than this Well, so strategy, right?    Can I go? Oh Don't start with this rags If you want to say this move it away later because this is going to give a really bad impression immediately as to um What you're doing with this video and then you're like, what do you mean mubishly and I'm like, uh So like even if even if this was like hard cgi, let's just pretend that for a second like so You know, this is uh, really your your good best first step forward Yeah, like I'm not even saying because this is me. We're talking about right, so I'm okay with you bringing this up as a discussion but Maybe not the first thing just especially with a movie like this This is one of those divisive ones the people are testy about which is there's a lot of those Um, I have that experience with such things And maybe I could have been better in terms of strategy for how I approach a lot of my um movie criticism But I don't know. I don't know why you'd open with this. It's a it's a strange strategy Uh, somebody in chat mentioned it could be sugar glass and I've never heard of that. So I googled it And apparently, yeah, you can it's a brittle transparent form of sugar used to simulate glass and movies Never heard of this. So that's really well Something else, uh, the glib fact similarly the uh, the guy was talking about blade runner on episode New year's eve. I can't remember what that was he uh, he was telling me about how um On sets you can have it's like a double frame of of glass. So as in the the first one is Not to be broken, but also not going to be damaging against the actor's head While the second pane behind it is one that's prepared to break with like a A switch or pulley or something like that As in okay, there's a lot of movie making strategies you can do to it And cgi is obviously an option too. I don't know which of what the ones they used I can't tell so You know like it's not really to shoot I think the the point overall is it looks convincing to me It's an odd criticism to levy right at the front of your video Yeah, no, that's that's all that's all I think that um, you're gonna put it in you might want to aim for a different time Also, the third person of Ralph's commentary Yeah, that's that's a strange format strange format But then again, this is this is I just think it's odd. I just think it's odd So he does I don't actually know this but I'm assuming he does audio commentaries He releases and he's just clipping out pieces to show Yeah, yeah with the Joker one That was added in posts that looks like cgi. Come on. That looks like cgi. Was that even necessary? Some producers like oh, you gotta make it more dramatic. He's gotta crack Yes, it was necessary It really drives home how anger how angry and frustrated he is at that moment I think that at that moment, he just lost his job Which was basically the one thing that made that gave arthur fleck an identifiable identity at the moment Yeah, there were two things. Yeah, he got fired and he learned that his buddy quasi set him up to be kind of ratted him out. Yeah He hits it so people are saying that um, there's spam in chat I think they're making the same mistake. I did because no, no, no, no, no, no Look how much there is I mean What do you mean? um, like it it's got a it's got a lot of emojis, but It's not actually spam. Well, because they're saying things. That's kind of why I'm like Scroll up a bit. There's a lot of the same thing, but it's all different accounts So you can't actually block it at once. Well, they're not but they're not spam though It's just that they maybe do you think they're using the emojis Do you think it's supposed to be a clever form of spam?  So that seems like a real comment I'm one of them just added you rags. I don't know watch a Jackie Chan movie. It's everywhere. There you go. I don't know But uh, I guess like one of them said his world was cracking around him There you go. That's an insightful Kind of thing that somebody who makes video essays would say it's supposed to represent how his world is Oh, someone someone just said they steal comments from chat to evade spam. Is that true? Really About cavity actual messages, let's see. All right. Well, let's kick them then Well, I was gonna say metal. Are you able to uh able to keep an eye? Um It's very some someone is doing something. Uh, oh rags is this very clever very clever Yeah, sorry. I mean, this is the thing. I'm learning bots change all the time. So if they are if that's what they're doing That's that's pretty clever Very It is clever but annoying Clever but annoying They're they're even copying rhino milk emoji. Oh my god Oh my goodness clothing the toxic brew They're learning by the way. That was uh, obvious. I've been told by some very, um Very people for people who know what they're talking about some that the rhino scene the scene where luke drinks the milk The best scene in entirety of star wars Very good authority. So I've been told Patrick Willems, uh, loved it. It was one of his shapes I Also, if you don't like that scene then you were a bigot and all that stuff um That's that's really fascinating though that you could the arc of these bots as in I went from thinking they were spam to not spam to spam One of them said rags.  They should be here. We'll do a Just knock them out casually while we're uh checking this Give them the old we don't I don't like chat to be disturbed. I'm sorry chat. I do try to keep you guys, uh in good health How many I know we're burning up precious precious time. Yeah, I picture them I know right I picture, uh The chat with like a kadsaurus tuba is that that is the character right now. It's like We're like we're trying to remove the tuba be gone. Maybe I can um, can I block via account names? This is what they say. Well, no idea Uh You can like hide user on the channel. So yeah, it's just there's one at a time.  I like that the chat's trying to counter with rhino milk. It's like fight back It's not helping Spam there rhino to fight their spam I think I think that's good for now Yeah, I mean just just uh if whoever mods are around if you can just stay on it. They'll be Thank you. Thank you very much Sorry xxx amateur sex videos Also, hey fios here as well in the super in the super chat stream. It was like, oh, no, that's not actually a spam bot and I was like Um, but yeah, I was thinking since we were supposed to be five men today and since This person has actually name dropped uh in text in this video We could go ahead and add a mystery fifth guest instead of our standard Oh my god, it's ronald reagan Is it what why not ronald reagan warabini? Someone just email someone just texted me. I won't tell you who do you get honey crisp or gala apples? What neither I don't know.  Hey, I answered your dm. It's like you're in the He's good. He had his chance kick him. He's he's weird. He set his discord notifications to like less than zero Like he just is completely unaware Someone calls someone discord and something else goes off. Well jay you can get in if you want to That is the uh, that is by position on this. Okay I'm all right They're really running out of ideas aren't they but you could really tell what the joker one That was added in posts that looks like cgi come on Also, I I know we're really really harping on this but that seems like an This seems like a really odd comment to make after the aquaman. Oh, they're running out of ideas And then it shows this like yeah seems like kind of a maybe that was That was the end of a point and this is the beginning of a new point. Hello jay. What do you think about taxi driver? Uh, I think I've not seen it What do you think about falling down? Uh, I've just I've not seen that either. Fuck. What do you think about parasite? I've not seen any of these films Fuck, what do you think about trice 1917 is the only one you're talking about that? Well, thank god rax didn't say 1917 you've broken the the two at least I was gonna so at least At least he would understand the depth of my disappointment I'll tell you what happened there by the way is that um, I was on my pc when I sent the discord message And then I didn't I think you'd seen it at all.  I'm not ready and Hardly turned on my pc I wasn't you're incompetent and that is the way I love you. Okay I wouldn't want it any other way. Uh, there is a link you can find in the chat to the watch together Mr. J. What if I don't want to click it? You don't have to but it's gonna be confusing to stay stay abreast of the situation Um, yeah, uh, that looks like CGI All right, it's got me at the beginning. We're talking about CGI potentially CGI glass. Let's play this part another time Hell yeah, CGI glass Oh my god CGI in posts that looks like CGI come on that looks like CGI was that even necessary some producers like Yes Yeah, in case in case like my my take I think you guys kind of mentioned this but uh, that's how hard he hit it Yes That that's the point. He's uh, this man is coming to the end of his rope. Yes. He is very Very aggravated. I just didn't do that. People are so Like defense. No, here's the thing like explain to us Ralph. Why would it be better if the glass was unbroken? I think it would have been worse actually because that's what I was supposed to be a dramatic moment And uh, imagine how much of the how much drama would have been taken away How much seriousness would have been taken away if it hit his head on the glass and The bounces Oh god, yeah Well, we're in those his last words. Yeah famous last words from super villain Kylo Ren Ouch He actually doesn't get to say anything in that final scene. Fuck. Yep. I mean, I think it might be on the same on the on the same as Captain Kirk in that Star Trek movie where his last words were oh my You say that like it was an epic last words Hey, let's say well. Hey, what were Kylo Ren's last words? Well, where have you been ouch? That's what we that's what we were just saying. That's like the whole last words were ouch. That was a whole conversation Uh To be fair ouch is the really appropriate last words Well, I think I think the idea is that it sums up his character doesn't it I would argue that his last words actually sum up the entire sequel series ouch Yeah It's it's just the the sub is a misstep. They stood on a lego. They were like, ah, oh Captain All right. Anyway, let's let's roll him back. Let's get the full context for then the next point People are so like defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. I wish this movie was about himself Yeah, we have to Like people are very defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. Here's what he said It's not really good The Joker is a comic book character It's the most this uncomic book movie comic I've ever seen I mean, yeah, if we're gonna talk about the um the sort of trope source or elements of comic book movies We're so used to this movie kind of isn't really gunning for those At all like the it breaks away first being r rated How many comic book r rated are they now it's dead pool Logan and this is that it is I guess Is suicide squad r rated That doesn't count. I don't even think it is actually I'm not sure blade is blade blade was pretty Violent squad rating. It was rated PG 13 which means is rated pretty good by 13 people I'm wonder what on our list is uh blade Blade not blade runner. We're talking play black blade Wesley's what was the first one? Uh When did it come out? I want to say 19 early 90s. It'll autofill 98.  Fuck. That's an interesting rating.  Oh, apparently watchman was r rated as well. Yeah Oh, yeah, that's gotta be rated Yeah, all I was saying with that is that uh, first of all it puts it into a very small tier list of even movies that are even allowed to like like obviously blood is typically avoided in a lot of uh comic book movies because because being a comic book movie means that they kind of want to appeal to a large audience And i'm not i'm not going to patrick williams route. It looks like an n64 bottle Hey man, blade is awesome.  I could I could see what you mean by that It looks like he's from Tomb Raider 2 Stephen dwarf the CGI number Put it on the list. We gotta see blade Our list's getting too big. It's terrifying The power of an immortal the soul of a human the heart of a hero Wesley sounds pretty gay. Yeah, I mean i'm on board Stephen dwarf so Stephen dwarf It's on the poster if we're going pragmatically though It is a comic book movie in that it is an adapt adaptation all the comic book character from a comic book, right? So Yeah, chat saying he looked like black jc dinton. He does Maybe you should get a job, but I want to highlight by the way that uh Being defensive because comic book, uh, I mean don't people like openly despise a lot of comic book movies Like suicide squad. Yeah Captain marvel A lot of disdain toward marvel in general like I know you guys must have seen comments like uh marvel movies Oh, yeah, people make them all the time and we get upset at them for making those comments because they're they help them all together Like they're all the same thing crisis infinite Even this like TLJ defenders, I don't think you'd catch us saying oh people only defend it because it's a star wars movie like no They have like reasons that they're wrong Yeah, well, I mean I don't think there is a person who defends it because it's star wars because star wars is such a crazy collection of all these different things at this point like this this this is going to be people but That's almost impossible now. Like it usually sits in with one of the many factions sequels prequels ot or Clomors or um mandalorian now, you know lots of different Things and what what actually makes a star wars movie star wars movie Yeah comic bit to be like people are over to the defensive because it's comic book. I'd be like that's pretty vague, but all right It's like if you can if you can find the one person who is saying is making that argument That's not that's not representative. There are lots of people who have reasons. They actually like this film That's pretty shitty to just dismiss them all like that Well, so yeah, and again about strategy in terms of video essays like starting out with uh Accounting for people who would disagree with you immediately like you can do it. I think feasibly it's just that um It will give a strong impression to a lot of people Already like wow, you're uh, you're you're like pre-bitter About how people gonna depends how you do it Yeah, that's what I was saying and and a lot of people have told me that context for this is apparently he was like Partially hounded by his own fan base to make a joke of video um because of the fact that he has uh Controversial views on it which which makes sense. I think like if if we were to come out and say, um, I don't know Uh, the same thing like the joker was this this garbage awful movie that people would be like, can you Can you tell us why specifically in detail or whatever and I guess this was his like response and so He was he felt like he had to account for the fact that people are gonna be pissed at him. He knew that but um I don't I don't know his his his strategy in Putting that in his video managed to translate. Well, let's put it that way Um Let's let's kick on shall we better if it just didn't do that people are so Like defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. I wish this movie was about in cells At least it wouldn't be so boy that cut at least bugs me Was the cut was the cut like that because all of those clips were for his audio commentary or from it. Sorry Well, no before it he had a weird audio inconsistency too But if if you're going like from a tactical perspective If you're making a movie talk about how a joker's not very good Then insulting your audience Probably not that like for instance, we're gonna have a mandolin e-fap And after the mandolin e-fap, I'm gonna make a mandolin video telling people how terrible the writing is It's how it's actually a bad show.  We haven't gone to that yet But yeah, maybe he'll say something that because at this point it's like it's like shaky ground It's like this is great, but I have it's fine. It's fine. We'll see how it progresses Like defensive about it because it's a comic book movie. I wish this movie was about in cells At least it wouldn't be so boring. At least then I could have related to the film It's such a shame no one can give their honest opinion of this movie without having a bunch of children on the internet gang up on you You're listen listen Don't frame it like this don't frame the other side is Like if you want to I know you're taking an unpopular position So what do you do is less of this and more of Because of this that happens because of this scene because of these words in the script because of this reference I can prove With confidence that this is actually a bad film You don't want to poison the well essentially and make people hate your face All right the beginning So if I really want to a minute and 17 seconds in and he's already done the same exact Made the same exact arguments and points as many of these tlj defenders do with it. It's true because I say it is and it is um if you are If you'd like this movie or just like this movie Basically, if you disagree with me, then you are um Please continue With your thoughts I was paying attention. Yes The main argument is that usually if you disagree with them you are defective in some way and he's already done that It's already been a minute and 17 seconds So this is already fairly promising Well, he's he's already assumed the reason why we like it.  There's no real defense. It's just uh, but he he thinks it's bad Because he says it's bad Yeah, well, um, I'm I take more issue with just the the like people like being mean to you because you talk about this thing It's like dude. What what does that not apply to outside of like ubiquitously agreed upon? Uh perspectives on on movies So for example, I come out with a video saying suicide squad sucks I don't even expect to see a comment that says no this film was a masterpiece I might be lucky and see it randomly, but if I was to come out and be like, I don't know Uh, what's what's like a movie that doesn't typically get criticized that is kind of like the prestige Oh, why would I why would I do that to myself? Okay? I come up with a video called the prestige is is a disaster trash fire I would expect a lot of comments being like, uh, you're off base on this one. This is a bad take I don't see even if they hadn't seen the video just because it's like, yeah That's that's that's gonna be that's what's gonna happen. It's youtube. Um Yeah And I think that that's the children And so I would I would I would be okay with someone having like a disclaimer beginning because like I know people like to have it And I maybe even I would in a long form. I say long form. I mean longer than my rage and breathe Uh video where I might go like, please just give my arguments a chance before you tell me I'm insane. That's all Yeah, like I'm not trying to be antagonistic.  I just I really do think that I'm correct and here is all of my arguments for why And then you make the video you don't this isn't what you open with we've got 23 minutes to go Ralph So someone said you're wasting time. We've got 11 hours We'll be able to make it through. No worries. Uh, whoever said that Hmm. Um, also Uh, it wouldn't be as bad if he were first of his children.   He's a child Silas child one thing that's interesting too is Is that he couldn't even say something like Um, like people are just defending it Because they really sympathize with the character or the movie tries to convince them to This that and the other thing like it can't even give us the benefit of the doubt It is is they give us such child like really gives us very very childish Um, you'll protect the brand kind of kind of motivation basically just dismissing the The people who disagree with him is dismissing their opinions as nothing but childish notions Someone said the illusionist is better than no it look look i'm gonna be crying I saw the illusionist with john adams in it And it's no no, uh, his name the actor's name What paul jimati, uh, forget his name all the time.  I'm okay with that I really like the illusionist But the prestige is better than the illusionist jb singing in the chat So I saw the illusionist soon after I saw the prestige and I was so disappointed because for some reason I was retarded and I thought I was gonna get a movie like prestige. Is it like as good as well written That was like wait. Why did I think that? The illusionist was one of those movies that I told my mom is like mom you should watch the illusionist You'll like it. It's it's she because she watches the it's like a hallmark movie It's just a step above a hallmark movie Right with magic Oh Liking iron man three of a prestige. No No stop your man from life. Oh, yeah, I made I forced I strapped jay down and forced him to watch prestige j What did you think of prestige? I thought it was great. Yay You could say Literally like the next day on a stream. I was asked. Hey, have you seen this cool movie the prestige and I was like I have Finally I could say I watched something.  I forgot to mention because like if you remember uh rags We did the I doubt you forgot. We did the the copyright meme recording. We've done that now We've looked at all the meme videos that had copyrights in them with with uh with wolf and one of the memes had When wolf is asking you what films you've seen and he asks you if you've seen prestige and you say no That's inaccurate now. Yay Yes, that information is now officially out of date One film at a time guys That's why you got to keep up with the e-faps because we're always pulling a fast one on you.  So if you like this movie That mean he's kind of implying that if you say you like this movie, you're lying. Well, I I actually do think that he um Yeah, he's actually I think he thinks that a lot of people don't realize that they're sort of They're being biased towards Batman content comic book content and they're not realizing that this film isn't actually that good So they're not like capable of being honest with themselves. I suppose um It's hard to interpret that in a good way It's it's not a great statement. Is that why suicide squad is universally defended and has five out of five stars What about it? Yeah suicide squad has joker in it has batman in it Just as just asleep has batman and superman fighting Yes, two monster like it's just you gotta People thought that was garb it. Well, I think I think that's the universal opinion for the most part, right? There's some people who really like it out there think Oh, that's neat. Let me have a look at that. That's fine. I I don't like it Yeah, you got rags I get it to the animated french film. I doubt it, but if they are then Ask the risk on all the things that I've just said Um, all right, let's let's Such a shame no one can give their honest opinion of this movie without having a bunch of children on the internet Gang up on you and like people like harass me guys.   So don't I Almost getting parody by some days That's that's the thing. There are there are moments where you can be like this is a joke video, right?  You don't have to do it You don't have to talk about joker you can make movies about other movies.  I see Like all we needed was this to be the opening the sigh of the didn't want to make this video.  I like the Joker is good because it's a comic book movie. That's why it's good. No, that's the only reason obviously No, it's good because of the racism.  Well, when are you gonna okay?  I don't know what it's called. I'm not in the biz He corporation the preparation age room What he does is He he pretends one last time to shoot himself right before he goes out And then right before he goes out as they're getting ready to introduce joker They replay all of the clips where Murray's making fun of him And all that stuff.   What do you mean they replay the clips up to this? Yeah, they they they do the audio Did they I completely forgot to miss that like Yeah, because because when he's behind the curtain, right? Smoking and he's waiting for his time to go out You can hear the audio of them playing the segment So remember this guy and then they they're playing the audio We don't see it because this is the joker's perspective behind the curtain before he goes out They're playing it. There's scenes. So I know when I watched it. I was like, what's he gonna do? What's he gonna do? No, no, I didn't know I didn't know I was like, yeah, he's gonna shoot T'Niro He's gonna shoot himself. I don't know what else gonna happen Big nut got got I got two two golden counters All right first of my I'm gonna crack open the golden egg and bring out a counter.  That's that's that's how he justifies it. Secondly. Um, I care a lot more about the the execution than whether or not I know vaguely or all strictly where it's going The um, there's a lot of movies I would say that this would surely apply to that are considered classics or greats that we know Uh, we can tell what's probably more than likely going to happen, but we're in it to see how it all comes together For example, I don't think the emperor was gonna win in star wars. Um, and yet I was hooked I I don't know that Uh, exactly how but that ring is is probably gonna get booped just saying like jay hasn't seen the two Lord rings Hey, I'm saying it probably will get booped. There's no I don't know. I don't know Um Go ahead. Yeah. So what I was gonna say was that um, I think that being predictable or or uh, Boring in your in your monotonous in your approach. Uh, it's just like there's more to the argument surely It's not just did you know or did you not know what was gonna happen in this payoff? Did you know did you did you think it seems to only apply to him because I didn't know It was a possibility, but I didn't know and as someone's Yeah, I was a stupid child who likes comic book movies Someone chat pointed out that while when he pulled out his notebook, right? And he's looking through the notebook pages on the couch. What what do we see? He says I hope my death makes more sense than my life.  I would love it if that film it just it just didn't And it's like they defined you like wait what a pass Say what's gonna happen at the end at the well and and that highlights the I guess the final argument which is Are you able to rewatch films or no? Because yeah, you can in fact, uh, I think what The titanic has gone down in history as one of the classics you can watch over But you also I mean you have Shakespeare's stories people play them over and over again They they keep producing these plays over and over again. I'm pretty sure you know what happens by now Pretty sure that you know Romeo and Juliet Kill themselves at the end And uh, I'm pretty sure most people know that they fall in love during the play What people still like it people still like it and it's the thing is it's not really about being Predictable or subverting your expectations or being unexpected. That's always nice But it's the quality of a twist the quality of What uh, what the event that comes in is it good? Is it a good twist people always bring in the sixth sense like well, we didn't see that coming Well, you know what happens now, uh, it's still a watchable movie. It's still people still rewatch it because it's really good twist It's about the quality of the twist the quality of the storytelling Not so much as I did I get a few seconds of excitement.  I didn't I never consider that I know I know it's true already. So Damn you Um, I've been countess. So yeah, see and and so I'm pretty sure he doesn't develop this point Or at least I can't remember that he that he does or doesn't but I would be like this This could be a point. It depends on where he takes it because this is on its own. It's just not much to work with It's like yeah, I did of course I did what what was gonna what else was gonna happen with him Well, were they gonna the thing that he auditioned the entire movie and practice the whole movie to do And just say that he was gonna do the whole time Especially nowadays with movies. Who knows what's gonna happen. We're all so used to being surprised He's kind of Mary Poppins this way Just like, you know what it's easy to say after the fact. Yeah, I knew it all along. He's like, did you did you really? He kind of vibe where he's kind of one of those guys who watches a magician do his trick He goes, I know how that happened.  He's like, oh Oh Talk it out. Oh, yeah, Joker. Let's talk it out. That's what you wanted to happen, right?  I thought he's going to make a big big show about himself You know killing himself to prove his point and then obviously he changes plans at the last second It's easy to see that he changed plans at the last second and shoots Murray instead You know, I'd say it's very informed that that exchange in on Murray's show Especially with with us knowing how unhinged he is with a gun It's very tense. At least I found it very tense. I was like, yes What's gonna happen? What's gonna happen?  He just He has Dante clips Oh, yeah, joker, let's talk it out. That's what you wanted to happen, right?  Okay. Obviously Yeah, joker, let's talk it out. That's what you wanted to happen, right?   Oh my goodness Why did you phrase that that way? The only two likeable people Arthur knows are a woman of color and a dwarf Why why not say his therapist and the character's name the coworker? Well, it's it's the imaginary Has to be dismissive about it. It has to be a feminine dismissive way so it can sound worse. There are two ways to interpret this Either the women of color and dwarf aren't supposed to be likeable Arthur demographics have to be likeable I love it. It says great writing after it Writing is writing is capitalized. Like why is writing capital? Let's see this again. People will be like. Oh, it's great writing People like surely it's parody. It's like well The awkward thing is that like this poor guy if he made this fully Intending to supply some strong criticism that he's like everyone's like good joke Ralph. He's probably like I'm like If you're gonna try and convince people that they're wrong about a movie and you're right You did nothing in that whole introduction or first segment To explain why any of this was wrong. You were just like, oh, I knew it I'm right. I understood it because I'm right. I'm right and it is Rex, did you say segment? Sigmund is that is that Freudian's first name? No, Sigmund Freud Sigmund Freud What else is he expecting? To um, is he supposed to have is every character in the film supposed to be this three dimensional character was owned for Right, I guess. Yeah, so let's let's assault this criticism then So it's giving me stronger parody vibes Is there anyone who is more than one dimensional in this film outside of joker be like so let's just try a first reference um The guy who's his friend and colleague who is like look after yourself.  I don't I don't I don't know Specifically how one dimensional versus two dimensional is classified, but I always assumed it was about um, they're shown to have more than one interest or purpose or motivation like the character that's More interesting thing than being there for one intention I think with that guy is actually just a human thing. I would I would guess like in the beginning you just wanted to make Actually, I'm starting some money. I'm starting easy sort of thing I'm just like there's that guy like he's he's a character everyone agree like I think he goes slightly beyond one dimensional Like okay, cool. Uh, the social worker that's uh giving him let's call it uh limited therapy Um, yeah, so she she's giving him all this the whamen of color. Well, I don't know which one He's referring to when he says that because it could be the imaginary girlfriend. Who's nice to him on the other way Yeah, that's the thing must be don't he I guess he's just like woman of color, you know all of them that are the same Um, okay. Thanks ralph so she Uh, Simultaneously is the standard sort of trope therapist character being like how are you? What have you written in your journal? How what are your thoughts like that sort of thing? But then you find out later, which I thought was interesting that She's very unhappy about the situation.  She's victimized as well and that um I suppose he's countering that ahead of time by saying that These two that I've mentioned so far the one that's kind of a backstab to a degree and the other one that's uh saying She's that he's not the only one that's been beaten down. They both represent society bad which makes them non-layered Would be the argument here. I suppose mm-hmm But but I don't think that's fair at all It's the thing about the joker the joker movie though is that isn't it? It's more or less a character piece like a character study of arthur fleck as he Spirals down into this journey of madness and insanity and all these characters are supposed to be there So that they can help highlight His changes and how he reacts to the world That's we need to see how he reacts to the world at the beginning of the movie and how he does so by the end And these other characters don't really need to be fleshed out They're basically just there to help flesh out arthur fleck himself. Well, yeah, and they're not on screen for very long But I I even take issue with the idea that they're one dimensional. I'm like, I don't know I think they're shown as relatively fleshed out. There's some people obviously I'm mentioning murray. It's like, yeah I actually quite like the details in in how murray speaks to to joker, especially the uh, you don't know me as a as a big counter to What a lot of people do in this film mainly being thomas and uh, arthur they they broadly paint um an entire group of people or um in in joker's case, it would just be society as a whole horrible and then um, obviously Uh murray comes back with first like he's because he's like you're awful specifically and most people are just horrible in general And he's like one. They're not two. You don't even know me like you can't even conclude that about me um So and and you know combine that with with his uh tv shows style the host sort of character I don't know. I just think that there's there's there's clearly more going on there than than one dimension I think it's unfair to say that about the um The characters in this film despite the fact that they don't necessarily need to operate further than that because this entire film is what you call a character study.  Is that 10 granite 10 granite? Something like that Green tea ran and we need to see his uh his entire household and his likes and hobbies So that we can fully have a three-dimensional character who pulls a lever that destroys everything from the death star And if we're seeing pretty much all of this is from kind of his perspective, right? How much do you really know your co-workers?  How much do you really know just the random people you meet around and about like how Like you think about a lot of the people that you sort of know of and know but you don't like know them Are those three-dimensional characters in your story movie life? They're probably not Well, you just I you okay, so describing the only two likeable people Does he mean the people who are liked by author or does he mean just likeable characters in general?  I mean, I I like yeah murray seems like a nice guy sort of I just care to Not a bad person. I wouldn't have concluded. He was a bad person. He just uh, he's not a bad person He just does something that's kind of means that's mean spirited to art He's a comedian. He mocks things. That's his job.   Oh, yeah, did murray go to hell? We can confirm if he was a good guy or a bad guy Or did he go to purgatory? Why did you say that like you were making a pun? Purgatory like a cat thing I think he's just referencing infinitisms. I think that's what that was. I'm referencing the crisis Episode this is where they go to purgatory and then they rescue Archer from the From the Dead, but then another man shows up and says no come with me and then he does No, we're getting off top. No The fuck they went to this burry and howler and shitty CGI purgatory Damn it satan But I suppose he is he is accurate in the those if he's referring to the two people that likes the girl in the elevator and the dwarf, okay And I think uh one thing that really helps flesh out characters is conflict And if you that guy that gives that gives artheft like the gun Okay, the guy that gives him the gun in the first place He is set up to be this You know guy who maybe maybe is looking out for him in the first place And then he turns kind of turns into the jerk co-worker and that if he was one dimensional That's all he would have been but if you remember the later half of the map in the movie He actually comes back comes back to uh artheft's apartment after they had this big conflict at their artheft flex went into the um no clown changing room and Through that tantrum and blamed him for giving him the gun is outed him and they had a big Falling out with each other and but he came by to check on artheft like anyway Towards the end of the movie. He ended up getting killed for it But uh, it's not something that one dimensional character would do Emotion one dimensional character in his case the jerk co-worker would remain just the jerk co-worker and that's all he would ever be Yeah Can I just say that this text is too far down the screen it should be it's not I agree really bad Well, you would know that's that's this is how you do it.  Yeah, the the the mess it not only is it too low It is incorrect. Well, look at that statement in the middle. They don't have any qualities of their own What nonsense is that? Like of course they do there's those are like elements to each of these people that you can pull out Like uh easily from any of these scenes. There's like give me a character and I'll tell you a Quality and you go all right. Okay. Murray Murray Uh clearly tries to make a joke out of mostly everything keeps the everything light He's interested in making people laugh seems to be um, that's that's his goal as a person I would say before when Murray's in the dressing room with arthur He's actually really nice to him and he any acquiesces to his request He adapts in in his show You can clearly tell that if if arthur could have taken it any way he wanted to It arthur could have been like really down to earth and friendly to him And I think he would have been friendly back, but the second he says like Fucking I killed those three people.  I'd be like, oh Can you just make this argument for like any character ever? Yeah, Murray doesn't seem like that bad of a guy he doesn't Seems like a nice man Even I think that if um, he was just nice things I think if joker had said to him when he met him that it really upset him seeing that uh video on his show And that uh, he would have apologized. Yeah, he probably been like, you know, that's not that's not what the show is about It's not supposed to be that we're just trying to have a bit of fun and that um, you know I'm sorry that it did that I I could totally see him doing that Yeah, it's just it's just pilots onto us already Persistent issues that he has and then his idol is just like, uh, look at that goofy fucker.  Both of them have turned on me He's turned on He's turned on looks like a flashlight in the dark Yes, um, let let us venture further into this video Yes Todd Phillips has always been a comedy director and some of the character writing and scenarios in this film Feel so simplistic. It's like out of a comedy Joker is in the subway and three guys So I don't think he knows what comedy means. I was supposed to say I don't like the The loaded statement there that implies that comedy means you have simple setups Yeah, that's that's stupid You get all kinds of setups in comedy Well, not even I think that you can make great comedy out of simple and complex setups. It's the same with drama I mean, yeah, people rubbed there are jerks on subways Allegedly Back me up on here sub wayman. It's just a straight like, uh I disagree with your premise that he's like moving on to another point. I'm like, but he didn't even have to Explain Thereos in this film feel so simplistic It's like out of a comedy Joker is in the subway and three guys are there and they're bullying a lady And then the guys bully him anything sounds simple when you say it like that Well, hey, look, I'm not being uh condescending here. He's he's pointing this out So I have to reply like this humans take the subway regularly. It's a it's like a faster way of traveling um During the night time. It's very common for people who have been drinking to use public travel because they can't be relied to drive themselves Joker's they're late. He's uh It's after he's been fired. He's down in the dumps.  That's a very complicated setup So it's a don't call it a subway. It's a great iron web The great iron world Yeah, uh, and as jay pointed out first, uh, you could do this with everything ever, um Oh, okay, a bunch of people go into a place to do a thing.  All these bad things happen to him all at once They can't do anything. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. You can do this with anything. Okay Oh, this happens and this happens in this app Why don't you just really combine the the first scene to one of the Latest scene in the movie. I take grand issue with saying these all happen at once Wow, that was just fantastic. Are you sure there's not a parody and So he simultaneously while at work has a sign stolen as he has his mother suffers a heart attack And he sneaks into a movie theater. It all happens at once It's all it's all one one scene So, um, I think jenny, uh, sorry jabby made this point as well that it the All of it happens too quickly and all together and it's just like all random Um, I think some people fail to realize how connected a lot of these sequences are as in the The nature is like, why does he get fired from his job because he has a gun while he's doing his work Why does he have a gun? It's like a friend offered it to him as a result of being beaten up And you're like by kid It's like, oh, so those events are directly connected and it's like, why was he given no chances after the gun was found as well It's like well because he'd lost he'd already had a warning after the sign And that was directly connected being beaten up as well Like the the nature in these events to be like, oh, I saw just, you know, he walked down the street Some guy pudged him. He kept walking down. Some other guy just pudged it. It's like, no, that's not what happened, is it? Because of someone in the head of live tv. It's like, whoa Stop Yeah, these are all connected it goes from one one event to the next everything is flows evenly Because of because he got beaten up He lost the sign because he got lost the sign He got in trouble at work because he got in trouble working beaten up He got his friend gave him a gun before because he got a gun, you know, and so on so forth Every single main event in this movie is connected. It's not random. It's not just all thrown together at Well at random. It's not it's all connected well paste Oh, yeah, how does he shoot those guys in the subway? Where'd he get the gun from? He was he just pulled out of either.   It's just on the street This is parked and they do it and the second it topples over they just sprint away.  So eighth grade last day of school There's a kid in my class his name was hunter Right, and he he pisses on the outside of the school building right and and they could tell because cameras exist But also because there's this big old wet spot on the side of the building where somebody clearly pissed on it Last day of school.   I got my car. Someone said their teenage is not kids What So when we say kids so once you turn 13 you are a mature adult You don't do anything childlike at all. That's a good argument. I hope you feel glad that you made it one time Kids keyed my car.   Jesus.  You know what you've taken it too far because we've been assaulting someone who doesn't even Like it was it was jeff b. He said that right? Why would kids take a sign?  Oh, yeah, the boss man The point being And then he's like, why would you believe that I would take the sign?  The sign's gone It doesn't matter where the sign is I don't know why people do the things they do. He says that because I don't know why they do people do things I don't know This is the thing if if you're gonna appeal to no nobody would do nobody would do something so horrible as to hit another human I'd be like, oh man Yes, anyway And then the guys bully him They beat him up all these bad things happen to him all at once the king of comedy They start all at once All at once And he just moved on to say the king of comedy is so much more subtle. I'm very uh curious Yeah, tell me about this. Tell me about the subtlety of the king of comedy. Please. Tell me about that movie I like king of comedy. I do. I really legitimately like it. I think I think mr. Pipkin Is a good relatable protagonist man It's not subtle. I wouldn't describe it as subtle. It's not subtle. The most subtle movie that we saw was They were never really here. Was that the most subtle? You were never really there. I think that's what it is I'm questioning my Not actually present most of the time. I was never not here That's it. That's 100% it Yeah, but that was subtler almost subtle to the point of where we were going like what? Yeah, sure. Um King of comedy is not subtle. Yeah, it's well.   Oh my god So subtle.  Well, you can't get to sleep and think of that gem That movie was never really titles ladies on your next date with that one All at once the king of comedy is far more subtle and how it portrays a character like this King of comedy Come on. It's okay. It's very subtle. Oh my god comedy So all the other main characters are really they're really exaggerated.   Again, again, I'm gonna do what rags just said. I actually really like king of comedy And I don't think that I would say a flaw of the film is that it's not subtle I'd be like no, no, it it's just yeah, because miss arthur rupert pup pipkin He's he's not a subtle guy. He wouldn't That seems okay living out chump while he's living out his fantasies He has no reason to be subtle. It makes sense in the narrative that it wouldn't be subtle Yeah, in this conversation that rupert is having with the lady that he likes I forget her name. Her name is karla for this analogy while he's talking about He's not subtle here either. In fact, she is annoyed at how much he goes on and on and on about it It's like he didn't watch this movie, but he did a long long time ago. And he thinks he remembers it right But he doesn't So speak with me I just I think the film is very very clear about the kind of character rupert is and the subtlety So I'm just going from the fact that you just he said that they're very subtle about the characterization Yeah, he's not pumpkin isn't even an only one. It's uh, that fangirl that fangirl character They could have um, they could have had her just be a another because they had other Examples of fangirls around the jerry character and they just they they hang on him and everything But the other one was crazy and she was the main fangirl because pubkin and she know each other And she was far exaggerated She's the worst of worst aspect of every delusional deranged ralo-esque fangirl you could ever encounter Yeah, I would actually I would describe her as uh, one dimensional Yeah, she's she plays a crazy person. She's obsessed. She's the obsessive fangirl.  Yeah that movie sick because she's not a three dimensional character Who's super fleshed out. Yeah, because I could be like she represents that Ideal idealizing celebrity is bad like she represents the negatives of that and that's all the characters do In king of comedy that aren't uh, rupert, but that would be a disservice to a lot of the characters in king of comedy Uh, like jerry jerry's a very interesting character. You get to learn a lot about him birth of a nation Okay Sure, we'll do it. Which? Yes All these bad nations happen to him all at once the king of comedy is far more subtle and how it portrays a character like this king of comedy Title drop pumpkin is a guy raised by He calls him pubkin It's weird how many people do it All the pubkin, but that's the joke is that he's Dave's pipkin. What if he's what about if he's 3d Master chassing us right now and that's the joke is that he's getting his name wrong Think about it. We fell for his 3d chess Three litter literally all of the 3d chess works because normally chess is only 2d 1d chess 1d chess 17d chess.  Oh my god.  I remember there's a flash. I'm sorry. It's a little bit Ass hunter The point is that his name is not pumpkin. It's pipkin Maybe it's pumpkin Trying to say the word pumpkin. Oh my god, it is It's pumpkin Pippkin it's a gate.  I'm still making sense.  Let me run flash Flash was blocked to this page. Let me not do that.  You bet your bottom dollar there is That was in the shirt rags Let this poor man speak Ripper pumpkin is a guy raised by television.  It's so subtle What does it mean ralph? Almost painstakingly in an unhealthy way recreated a movie set in his house Ralph it's so subtle What does it mean? He doesn't actually interact with human beings because he doesn't have friends it works out for him Well, I mean I mean, I don't know that I would conclude that about him. He's pretty good at interacting with humans It's only when it doesn't get what he wants is that he starts to crack Yeah, when he when he goes into the television office place He's normal like that's the thing about him. That's what's kind of so interesting Is that he's totally normal when he's interacting with people even Even on his date, right? He's he's kind of normal in the way that he talks he's just but it's that one thing he obsesses over that Really makes him stand out from a normal man, right? Yeah, besides We don't know like how does he make money? There's so much of his life. We don't know.  We don't know about him But he seems to be a normal well adjusted person Asterisk and this film is about that asterisk at the end of it and um Yeah, he's like he's patient too. He's like willing to always sit down wait very calm very civil It's just the with every conversation he has as it progresses. Like there's just this underlying like You're not like a crazy person, right?   That's why it just hit me. I was like he's not subtle Come on. He's doing this. He's doing all of this while While the guy he hated one of the guys he apparently hated or had enemies Came up to him and says I would like to apologize to you and throw him the entire world Yeah, doing the wedding the guy who's doing the wedding It's like on behalf all of us who doubted you were so sorry. Please accept our condolences Like ralf back to back plays like the two scenes that are the most non subtle things he does It's like, yeah, this movie is great because it's so subtle. I just didn't understand what what did did did ralf pipkin Did rupert pipkin did he what does he really want in life? I'm just I'm baffled What does he really want read in this movie the king of subtlety by this boy? It's not a problem. I just find it fascinating you describe this as subtle It's like all right. How can you argue this movie? This is good. This is a good movie But how can you argue it has it's filled with all of this subtlety and not Put it put that argument in a parody video again That's that's a that's a digger for the like is this a parody video Survey says yes, but I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to be This is the most blatant of like all the movies we watch. I don't know is which is more Which is more subtle this movie or falling down? Um, we see this movie So if the question is which one gives away what is going on inside the character's head more overtly I would say it's this one Um, what I like I said about falling down At first I think you could be convinced that he is your average guy who's just fed up with the world But then you get all the the little bits and bobs about how he came to that point Um, this is a little bit more complex and how he definitely at the end of the film Regrets what he does Like this probably wasn't the best course of action and that all he wants is to be with his family That's he's desperate to just be with his daughter You feel sad for him at the end like you legitimately feel like You're like, oh man this dude Like something's going on and it's really fucked with him. Well, that's too bad.  Yeah, that would be unfortunate if that happened. That would be tragic for this gentleman But uh, yeah, all right. All right. Let's uh, yeah, let's keep going if you're on talk shows He doesn't actually interact with human beings because he doesn't have friends It works out for him with Rita and you understand why she likes him It works out for him with Rita No, it doesn't it doesn't at all.   Your date's gone pretty good All right, that's a success, right? You've already done good, but like he but she thinks he's a psycho and a weirdo when he goes to when he goes to TV man's house Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work out for him at all. Why does he not? Why does he say that maybe well? So my quick take would be that he made a statement earlier saying that he doesn't have friends He can't interact with people properly and he knows that he does that very quickly in the movie when we meet him With Rita and with jerry in the car. He's actually very capable of this and so he's probably maybe this is a form of backpedaling Like yeah, yeah, it works with Rita. Okay, but that no because Look, I just don't think it was a particularly strong point in general it doesn't like it sort of works with Rita, but Well, they go they go in off the fact that they knew each other in high school I believe right she says that's not the reason why she's giving him the time of day So it's like, oh, I know you hey something.  It means that's coast to coast national tv A bigger audience than the greatest comedians used to play to in a whole lifetime. What are they eating? That was pretty deceptive. I mean he said it works out with Rita showing a picture Seen with him marrying her which is not actually occurring. It's a fantasy If you hadn't seen the movie you might be tricked into thinking that he ends up marrying Like that's not what happens in this movie I'm getting more and more convinced that this is a parody and this this can't be real Well, we can we can conclude that by the end if you want there'll be pieces of evidence to go Both ways the scenes are showing here is when they're like most getting along Like this is like kind of the high point. This is beginning of the movie almost. Yeah. Yeah, sort of um But the reason I paused Because I don't know what are they eating Like I can't I can't nail it down like it's food rags cheese american psycho-esque dishes I feel like in the middle we have odd setup where you have like the raised plate with stuff in it But like is this some kind of like like an indian place or something? It's a cling on delicacy. Yeah. Oh my god kapla All of this we're more believable and interesting than what they do in this movie Do you remember Ralph when he has a a whole radio station? In setup in his room and he pretends to run commercial breaks for himself being Invited to a show that isn't real. You know how subtle that is So subtle. I don't know what it means.  I I had no idea. I I Basically just added in because there's literally no other female characters in the movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way There's the Joker's mother, which is basically an exact What his mother has with his mother in you were never really no, so that's a fucking lie All right, because I saw you were never really here And that's not true at all For context for those who have not seen that movie he does live with his mother and we will try and avoid spoilers I suppose but um She's in the movie for what I would say is about two minutes Very little very little She's not in the movie much Very much a situation where she relies on Joaquin Phoenix and um, she's not all together there in her head But that's basically all we know And he's almost like he's like resentful that he has to take care of her.  I believe I'd have to rewatch the specific scenes something along those lines and she Got a boyfriend slash husband slash whatever partner that um was extremely abusive to Arthur and here And uh the police were involved. She got uh committed He he was eventually committed. I don't know if that was from that age or once he was much older And then once they were out, uh, they would still together, uh That's like the the history is is extremely important and then you see from the movie in present day He's actually quite dismissive of him as well as she's like a combo of dismissive and loving depending on um Different parts to her the fact that she just says like you're not going to be a good comedian Because you're not funny.  She's kind of a and she's delusional Uh, or at least clinically delusional as the papers say Yes As we discover Film progresses and even though it takes place all at once Eventually we discover that she is And so yeah, I would just conclude I'd be like so much more to her character than there is for this character in Uh, you would never really there assuming I keep forgetting if I've got that name, right? It's too hard for my brain to keep track of which of the Where's I'm supposed to use I'm gonna get reminded and chat every time I do this and I'm sorry, but it's uh, yeah You were never really here. That's your opinion Just staying flushed out anyway. Also. He says that there are no fleshed out female characters, um And obviously the first one you would reference would be his mother probably and that's why he immediately says Eh, just a clone of uh, that other movie Didn't he say there are no flushed out characters except for the Joker seems kind of a Oh like a redundant thing to say Yeah, I mean, I think you guys would agree right if you were to say a character is one dimensional They're not very no characters there were none of the more laments I suppose I suppose you could be a flat. Can you be a flashed out one dimensional character? Uh, what was was the mother in the other movie was she fleshed out? No, no Would you call her fleshed out? He's certainly less of a character than in Joker I I think that I I hate to assign motivations to people But I kind of feel like I feel like it's just blatantly not true because I've seen both these movies Mahler, I was called a smaller rags, but I'm Stop drinking for a little bit.  No, completely different But if you're being broad if you're being nice and broad.  She has mental issues and she is old If you're gonna but at the point at this point, we're like broad to the point of uselessness Well, that's how I feel about the comparisons. I always felt that that's just too broad. It's like I know right No other female characters in the movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way Also interesting when he goes to FEMA exactly satan. He talks about female characters Why why is gaby female characters? Why he focuses on female characters? What about just characters fleshed out female characters in 1917? That is true Yeah, women didn't exist back then Yeah Basically just added in because there's literally no other female characters in the movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way That doesn't even make sense as an argument because there are no other female characters. That that's not That's not how that works like a fee an interesting female character was placed into the film because there are no other Interesting female characters. You'd be like that's not the reason why she's here. That's not even that's not anything This film only has it's one interesting plot because without it there wouldn't be an interesting plot. Oh my god I can't really do anything with that. It's just like all right Jerry is only in the in the king of comedy to give, you know, the main character some motivation Goal. Oh, what is that? It's it's cheap. Oof. Yeah The camera is only running some scenes could happen It's so often Can't accommodate just about a guy who's obsessed with a celebrity. I mean who wants to watch that That's really cheap and dumb. You know what I mean? The movie that are interesting or fleshed out in any way There's the Joker's mother which is basically an exact copy of the relationship He has with his mother in you were never really here except the wrong I mean, uh, I I don't want to say too much for the sake of spoilers, but let's just say the relationship is very different chat you've seen these movies you know, that's wrong and You will see these movies and as you do you will be like, you know what?  What is it one? No, it's not one Is it two?  Oh, he imagined the relation. Yeah. Yeah, so That's the point of the video to the audience the audience You know you all the obvious after it was we all know where this is going This is one of the most parroted criticisms of joker that uh, they show you this And a smart person figures this out But a dumb person may not and so they show flashbacks to all the scenes that she was in where she's not in them anymore And that that means the film is bad because that's a whole Six seconds that could have been cut from the film But they didn't when when they're blowing up alder on they're like fire the weapon at alder on and then you see alder on blow up What a waste of time So, yeah, I guess that kind of highlights the character because I'm assuming that's where he's going I could be totally off base, but I just that's what I remember um The the idea there being like If the if there was an hour spent with characters talking about how she was an illusion Like there's just an hour. They're like, she's not real. She's not real. No, she's not everything she was in not really there Flashback flashback those are papers saying used to talk about how she was there But she's not flashback and then another character came saying how was that relationship going turns out? She's not real. Oh my god. I'd be like Jesus Christ I get it Okay, but this we're literally so I was actually surprised on the rewatch uh with the flashbacks Because I've seen so many videos talking about how excessive it is and then it lasts I want to say six seconds. I could be underestimating. Let's just say 10 for the sake of argument. That is even a tiny portion of the film It's ridiculous again, I agree. I think the flashbacks the film would be stronger, but like It's six seconds of runtime. This is the one fit criticism that you like that is fair. You did it I kind of I like I don't know that it's definitive.  So right after you get that and you're still kind of riding that high of the reveal It's it's kind of showing you that she wasn't ever really there I think it works and it doesn't cost anything and it's a big signal that he's realizing it too And it gives us a little bit more time to sit with the actual fact of it, which Is more important than maybe realized that I would say in terms of You you have to think about those scenes for a moment and what she says in each of them to him and about the events Because it's actually he him that's saying all of it It's actually like so just just off the top of my head, right? Like she says that she she tells him He's funny when when they first meet so that's so now we know that that's him telling himself that And uh, his mother had was confirmed to have narcissistic tendencies or personality disorders was just like oh god It's it's clearly translating To him as well in the scene with looking at the paper She describes what he did as kind of like heroic and awesome because he is three less Three less assholes in the world. I think she says That's clearly what he thinks That he doesn't feel guilt for killing them. He feels good about it I find that very interesting in terms of a recontextualizing Of the of the dialogue. It's like it's no longer her perspective. It's his Um, and so yeah, I just think that it's it's a moment that could be let you can give it time to breathe just a little bit It's kind of seeing that that scene in fight club where you find out tyler durden is spoiler alert The same guy is edward nordin, right, but that's a film that you're not allowed to criticize so people say it's okay Oh, yeah, it's okay. It's okay there. It's okay when fight club did it. Yeah, and for the record. I like it in both of them But uh, oh, yeah Fantastic author. He's my one of my favorites Anyway She ship with her I guess that makes sense because he's a weirdo, but then because no he's not ideas, but that's kind of reductive I feel like it's kind of reductive This movie is made for the 14 year olds who thought batman versus superman was of ground And then because this movie was made so What we're in trouble now because he just described this movie was made 14 year olds. It's like 14 year olds.  He said it was major 14 year olds Your opinion is meaningless. I guess that's what he's trying to get at Again again. You're you're another your opinion is meaningless argument.   That's that's what it is This would be a throws popcorn moment at this video When I'm eating I will answer you because Because it's shut up. So this I'm having A london broil, right? That's I would like to think I'd like to thank mauler and his people for making london broil I think it's just a cut of the animal It was very good. It's very cheap. It's you can do a lot with it. It's like right It's like the the rice of meat Right do a lot with it. I made all of it at once and I whatever I didn't have I cut up the whole thing and I put in the fridge so I can have it later There you go chat. We made it for you rice me and my people It's so good though. Cause you do anything with it Some cages Just stick it in the fridge and just chill it and just have a little bite here and there Is that your last name? Go ahead. Oh my god Thank you mauler. My last name is soilo. It's soilo And mauler is well-tried Pronounce wailish, but you know Yeah World she's a weird world Because this movie is made for the 14 year olds who thought batman versus superman was a grump And then because this movie was made for the same demo as the people smooth video so bitter. He's so angry. I'm set That's it man People are upset like Ralph Ralph is angry that people really like this Ralph when he was googling the news And he can't he heard that Joker's getting all these Awards when he's googling the news switch to And he was fine. He found out that joker got all these awards. He was pissed.  It was fantastic Also a couple people are saying in chan. I think it's fair to bring it up at this point His audio is strange in this video. Yes What's wrong with it? Just um different it feels like different parts of it recording at different times in different ways A lot of them are cut harshly There's a couple of pumps like uh, he's he's usually pretty good with audio That's that's the thing. I think people the reason why people are bringing it up I want to cut Ralph harshly. Oh my god No, I that was I mean in a video game I Think I should You're spooking satan rags The opinions of rags do not reflect the opinions of the other Nor do they reflect the opinions of satan Dressing sarcasm the words of rags do not affect the opinions of rags the words of rags do not affect the opinions of rags Also, if you want to know why I re-recorded so much of my first video that I'm doing right now This is basically how it sounded at some places some like different person. Wow Recorded look at melby like I'm better than Ralph the movie maker. Yeah, okay. All right, buddy.  You don't all they're great dude. They have like Yeah, they talk about like things loads of it.  I love those You know what's really weird about the batman suit there Is that if you're gonna make a big batman armor suit, why did you not have anything over your mouth? Why not cover that up?  What there's also no cover over his butthole.  He has a bat flap at the bottom and that that code piece he's got there just lifts up Yeah Anyway And then because this movie was made for the same demo as the people who liked batman versus superman We need to cut to flashbacks that show that she wasn't actually there and spell it out to the audience Oh my god, I think is so bad So what is bad about it? So you got a guy being like be nice to you that look at the guy looking back They're all drunk. They're all drunk It's like it's fine Yeah, are you going to criticize? My writing this video reminds me of when like people realized they could get a million views for saying anything bad about Brie Larson So it was like wow look at this interview footage of Brie Larson Next next to her Chris Hemsworth raises a eyebrow clearly this means she's committed genocide I knew it That is true though.  He's being nice like what he's cartoon characters That's the thing with the tone of this film. Is it trying to be realistic? It feels like it's set in like some grand kind of dceu But if you're trying to make a real film No, it is Not that is not what they were going for at all I mean what Wait, so I can't follow Well, does anyone we can replay that if you want or because I think we all disagree there It's just the guy's acting is bad. We doesn't really point out why it's bad Like we he could have done this or he is an election was wrong.  Oh that acting is so bad Ralph your acting is bad in this video. Ralph.  You didn't do good What Ralph if you were in the director shoes Tell us, right? What would you? Tell the actors if you wanted them to do better. You wouldn't just tell the actors.  Do it again It's like no like tell your actors why Tell them what your vision is tell them. I guess he thinks it's obvious Want them to do I I guess he does but here's the thing. It's not I don't have any idea what he's talking about Right, obviously you go up to the actor and then just mock what they just said in a goopy fashion But they said oh, he's messing with you. Oh, he's messing with you do it better. That's what you do They fly now Is he obviously flying now it feels like it's set in like some grand kind of dceu But if you're trying to make a the weird thing is I didn't I thought he knew this But this film was actually designed to be standalone standalone What evidence did he did he see that gives him the impression that it's supposed to be part of a grand dceu What's that video about screen crush? Oh my god, that that's it all fits together that video appears in this video Yeah Wait what yes So there's a video that I responded to where uh someone makes the argument that uh Joker is clearly a part of the dceu. It's a really bad video Um, and my video responding to that is in this video So it all links together. Oh my god. It's a real film like a parker cinematic universe I want to clarify. He said a real film. You just grow. Is it not film is a real film Like taxi driver where a guy in the backseat of the taxi Just goes on and on and on to some random stranger about how he's gonna murder his wife with a 44 magnum and in stuff Yeah, like a real film But if you're trying to make a real film like an art film then throwing in these connections to like an art film And having these cartoonish characters you say dumb cartoon then very drunk They're young men who are Like have you ever gone out? Have you ever been with people like having fun time? Have you ever gone outside?  Have you ever like done stuff? This is a very realistic scene. This is how people can be People can be silly and sometimes they can be a little bit aggressive They can come on a bit too strong Sometimes they are not very self-aware about how they're behaving in front of other people I understand That irony could be applied to that but This is how people are this is very relatable and a realistic scene This is how people are they speak in a vulgar way not like rude but like vulgar and like from latin vulgar You know like them the common tongue a colloquially, right? This is a very relatable scene. It's not wrong with this. This is how people actually behave, bro Yeah, I mean get off social media for a little bit where they don't we they don't have filters anymore And listen to how actual people speak and not only these people are are they young and drunk? They're also rich They have a lot of money to spend and they have a all the time in the world on their hands Yeah, they call what are they I can't remember if they were cold like investment bankers or something like that Yeah, they do say in the phone We're for Wayne some the Wayne enterprises. Yes Um And yeah, I just want to highlight elvic in chat said Warner Brothers didn't even finance the entire film themselves It was low low budget comparatively. It wasn't changed for china. It's r rated. There's no merch Ralph is completely off base about it being like You know designed to be interconnected or whatever. Yeah, well he was asking is this film supposed to be sorry That's too deep for al has this film spots being realistic And i'm thinking what's like what's unrealistic about it like that's the thing he says it This is a claim and it's pretty it's a pretty big one too. Is like this film trying to be realistic What was unrealistic about it?   That's a really normal piece of dialogue. Yeah, it's a staple hostile phrase. Okay Ralph tell us what they should have said that wasn't clunky.  Don't just tell me it's wrong.  That's what he should have said Real life isn't sanitized.  Dude real life isn't well written It's not well written It's not sanitized. It's real life is ribbed for your pleasure. Okay. That's what real life is. Oh my god Even satan said that so You know, it's true Movie completely, it's not realistic if you want to be like metaphorical with this stuff Why would you say that why would you say? Hey It's not realistic if you want to be metaphorical He's like, which do you want Ralph? Well, he I think he's saying he's he's He's drawn out that it it's not realistic. So therefore it can only be metaphorical and if you want to be metaphorical I think that's his through line.   It's like it's more like a like a gap in something really I don't even specifically referring to that line as a metaphor But like I'm still blocked all the way back at like why is he cancelled out that this could be realistic What what's what made it so that it had to be defined people don't say the word asshole or ask if things are funny Yeah, I'm I'm lost.  I just can't believe he can say this without this being a parody This is over and over again He fooled us It's like no, I was only pretending to be retarded Yeah, if this turned out to be parody that is uh, that would be the case Yeah Well, like I said, we don't lose because we're countering these arguments as if they're real anyway Because a lot of people do make these arguments. So it's all good. All of this is but I actually I think the reality is much more Depressing for him in that his audience are trying to defend it would be like it's parody and he's like I mean, I guess his audience didn't get it if this is parody It's that's the thing. In fact, it was too subtle in his parody. I yeah, I should clarify that That's kind of unfair because a lot of his audience did not actually feel that this was a parody A lot of them were very upset with this video. So And the new thing to do now Wait, wait, it's click it if if the if this is just supposed to be a parody The why disable people watching it on outside of youtube Why why disable replay on external sites if it's just parody, right? Or a bait or something Kind of weird kind of weird Yes, strange Movie completely it's not realistic If you want to be like metaphorical with this stuff like you got to be more subtle and the new thing to do now Yeah subtle like the king of comedy. Yeah, king of comedy subtle. Okay When someone gives an opinion you don't like is to say, oh, well, yeah