safe Not sure how Then comes that action scene where they're like lol, it's an action scene you go left. No Like you go right. Oh Well, they're like nearly fine. Again, if there was another rpg thrown at them, they'd be doing they'd just be dead kind of a Change the stakes And then Zemo puts on his mask to kill people and then takes it back off Fan service The only defense I've seen of this I don't know you guys are gonna make of it Is the the reason he does that is because whenever he does work like that He wants to be wearing that mask and seeing it there and then shows us that this is something He's been doing for a while and that this is not new and that he probably has a persona Where he does stuff like this and that mask is a part of it The way of establishing history.    I won't do it again.   He's like, of course they broke him out I was just like, uh, thank you walker We need it's like some kind of brain um And so I mean really weird happens that kind of allows the rest of this season to work in terms of a couple of its payoffs walker then says for some reason looks like we're gonna have to go off the books because they're gonna chase demo and falcon and bucky On there they're they're assumed adventure to try and get to carly because they think those lot have a better Thing and so like time to go off the books. It's like, why would you go off the books? That's like that's like on the books. That's the fully on the books. That's like the the mission Yeah, I Like I said, I I said a long time ago, but the the state of What what people's missions are who they're allowed to who who is It's even confusing to sort of explain like why they are where they are and what permission they have and who they're sanctioned by And what support levels they should be having it's all very in the air and thrown out and the the u.s. Government doesn't seem to exist for most of the show and it should and it should be looking for these guys and Picture for a moment if you will you are their boss rags. You're like, hey you The captain america and battle stuff. I need you guys to get to college. Stop it. The flag smash is a bunch of bad Ombres gotta get rid of them. Yeah, they're back.  You're not you're dealing with them.  We've got to deal with them. What else you got? You know, well went to a prison. You remember that zemo guy? Like, yeah, of course.  Really? It's like, yeah, but the interesting thing is like a few hours before Bucky and falcon who are on the same kind of mission as us broke him out We think he broke him.  He shouldn't be free. Secondly to imprison Uh, bucky and falcon those fuckers Releasing him what the hell and thirdly if they do have a lead on carly. Thanks to zemo go and get it We gotta get these flags met instead walkers like now the government don't want us to do this We've got to go off the books What no I don't understand. Why would they want you to do this? By the way, this is all because we're trying to set up uh walker getting fired in the next episode Is walker even allowed to go off the books? I don't know how that would make sense. He has to travel from Germany to Latvia You're not doing that without government assistance Well, I'm just saying doesn't somebody call and say hey, buddy. What's up? How you doing today? What are you? What are you being up to captain america again? It wouldn't even be a random call They would set up Transport and then they'd be like why are you going to Latvia and they'd be like oh vacation Hmm And again, I just don't understand why this is the biggest lead they've ever had a different crime has been committed And two of america's heroes like doing something really shady that to me sounds like the thing the glc want them to look into But uh, he's got to be off the book so that when he kills the terrorist man It's seen as a horribly bad thing that he did without the glc's permission, you know Which still doesn't actually work as an argument, but we're almost there. Well, I see Uh Then the flag smash has been a bunch of innocent people to death Yep, hooray Because they had one world one people am I right one world's one people's charred ones here and there too So do they burn them and kill them because they have supplies or would they have burned and killed them anyway?  She's like, yeah I'd be like it's kind it's gonna do stuff It's gonna make us look really really bad if we had public support which apparently we do somehow I feel like we're gonna start losing it if they find out we burn people to death for no reason Also, it's very strange that all her minions and acolytes get kind of Cold feet towards the end, but not earlier when they've already killed people Well, they could keep going so that we we uh someone I picked up when I was rewatching I was talking to some rags about it They keep giving her looks throughout the season just looks and I think it's the show's way of being like We do think what she's doing is evil viewers. We do Unfortunately these aren't characters So there's no story for them. They give her looks and then they get exploded Like as in at the very end they're like, oh, maybe this too far now They don't even don't really they she's like one world. They'll go they look around. They're like one world They go, uh, what people what what people what people and then they carry on doing all the evil Try the whole thing when John Walker you get Chad is saving the the truck full of people They all jump on him to try and stop him. Oh god. Yes Yeah, but so I guess they're okay with killing people It's weird. You're expecting that payoff where they sort of turn on her Yeah, and they're the they're the much more sympathetic terrorist types Um, yes, but and that would be perfect when she's like she's attacking Walker As he's trying to pull the van up and they go to help and then they stop and then they pull her away That would be the payoff. Yeah, um, but they don't like I said They do not have characters and I think their distrust of her was dropped in later because they realized they needed to condemn her a bit more And from what I gathered there's a couple of people have been talking about this I've seen it in chat Apparently there's there's an idea that a possible original plot line was that they were way more evil at first and that the whole vaccination thing Wasn't just to solve some pandemic that was happening.   Nobody is going to feel anything That would be yeah, that's monstrous Also, they would have to cut that can you imagine like oh our story is about people who want the virus to spread and kill everyone You're like that's a little awkward to bring out right now like maybe maybe next year. I don't know Having Sam having the same level of sympathy for her while she's trying to spread her virus to really hurt people She's just a kid, Sam.  Yeah, I feel like there was a Even It's like everything else it's like they they have acid and they're confused about they what they want to do Uh The uh the explosion by the way where she burns all those people and that had australian Cohort the one the one that gets the most screen time as a as a lackey who by the way Still just makes no decisions for himself throughout the entire season.  Why would you visible?    I guess I guess. Yeah, it's happened. It's fine. They need this they're sending a message Carly Morgan thought might be the worst mcu villain outside of The guy from captain marvel.  So if we would count if you can choose not to count him if you don't want you but if you did He's it's significantly, you know, like the whole like he destroys his own civilization and nearly destroys his own family because he's Incompetent buffoon like it has no idea what he's doing. I do like though that they have it's like Oh, there's only like 10 scrolls left. Also, they invaded the world That's trying to know he didn't know that they're an evil group of them that they didn't know What about an eye man too? Carly's surely worse than just in hammer or whiplash For sure See carly's carly's really bad I could almost forgive the movie for if she was more or less unchanged But I hate how much falcon simps for her.  When does when do they have it?  They wouldn't do that. But those things are like super technology.  But no, that's how they that's what they do the show Like it can't take one second without being like, hey, here's something really stupid. You ready?  Oh It was so exciting But Yeah And that brings us to the halfway point it only took us six hours In finnish we've covered a lot of topics more so than just We discussed the differences between wizards and warlocks, so we got that sorted out Now we're up to the fucking worst episode Yeah, so Yeah episode four was the one where we were we were actually like at a wits end in terms of the portrayals and the cause and effect Yeah, because Anyone who's listening you've seen how horribly written all of this is and you sort of just go with the flow when you get to that point It's like, well, I guess I'll just see what story they're telling And that's what they in episode four.  What's everybody's thoughts? Wow, someone else can go ahead I feel like this is supposed to be the payoff of a much more developed and earned Show like this should this is a huge payoff for him and they just sort of squeeze it in real quick To get those sympathy points to get that payoff point without actually earning it without doing anything to get it in concept It's nice But it just sort of happens and then it's over and it happens in the middle of the show as a Flashback and you're like, oh All right. Well, that's gone now. You can't do that again. That that that opportunity has been spent Yes, one thing though is like how does bucky understand the words when she's speaking. Is she speaking her own language? I assume that's uh, that's russian. Yeah, she's I think she's okay. Okay. Yeah Okay, this one And i'm and how is speaking the words back to him make him not Turn well, so the magic choir First thing I want to mention was like have we got a way for her to know what those were the words Did he tell her the words? She wouldn't need the book right or yeah, I guess he told her I think that's written down Well, what happened to the book at the end of civil war? I guess seema would have had it and then Black panther got it wouldn't have gotten it. Maybe it took a condense. Well black panther took him, right? So he might have had the book. No, maybe yeah, maybe black panther took the book So what looted it um, you know in a you know in a sense if you need to deprogram him that book might be useful Um, maybe yeah, maybe there's something in there for yeah, that that can kind of line up Um, so the thing that I want to echo what rag said, right? So if we're dealing with a bucky storyline and we already have if we're writing the season It's like so has he been deprogrammed already or not? I'd be like, I don't I think we want to build That's going to be one of the most significant things that could ever happen to him freeing him from the winter soldiers like definitive hold like that is That's some that's a huge payoff. That has to be treated with a huge amount of respect That's going to be something we have to build to for a while And um, if we were trying to Like toy with this as little as possible Maybe you want to tell it as a Freak sequence of flashbacks. That's at least going to be a minor improvement over what you're seeing, right? So like maybe you combine them with the nightmares in terms of just um Failures times where they've tried this and his mind is like pulling back and forth And they have like a sort of approach where they're like they give us a brief idea of how they're going to do it because Kind of frustrating to me That we're shown She starts saying the words and he's fearful that he's he's going to lose control meaning that they've never done this before This must be the first time Because he has to ask you like, you know, what are you going to do if I start killing people?  No, sorry.  So why is he even afraid? Yeah, because all she would she would have to do is just be like, yeah, chill out winter soldier. Don't kill anyone Ah the show you think it's one thing and then you're like, oh wait.  So we're going to make all of these uh It's that it's that thing you were saying before right from john where he's like the the car with all the explosives You're going to want to build this one up. It's a huge moment Instead they just showed the moment out of context and I just have questions that I was like, how did this work? How did you even set this up? This is the first time and you guys are unaware of how the control even works Why would staring into a fire while she reads the words make it not work anymore? How does this happen? What is happening?  You're criticizing this scene. It's like the best scene. It's like guys It's only sebastian stands acting that is it in that scene. Yeah, he's doing a great job I would honestly think it's phenomenal the uh, I believe him when you watch him.  It's not earned This is a huge payoff that we just skip to but that's all that's all it takes for a lot of people You just skip to the payoff and that there that's it done a movie called the white wolf or something Where he oh, yeah the ending is just seen could you imagine? That's and that would be so cool. Talk about being Talk about being unconventional, right?  I'm like, what do you mean?  This is sludge. This is marvel sludge This is an experiment at all with no action in it. Yeah, it is just about Uh, bucky living in Wakanda maybe getting to know some of the inhabitants. Maybe he like befriends um Like a a young kid who like shows him how to sort of almost You know taking the world again and um and you know, you just do your standard old grizzled angry man Goes on an adventure with a kid and rediscovers his humanity Yeah, and you could have a Wakandan veteran who can talk to him about all the wars he was involved with and Plenty to work with there having work on a farm. You know, yeah farm and stuff Also a series is exactly the place to explore a lot of stuff Yep, but they they still even though it's a tv show They still feel like they have to put in an action scene every 20 minutes Well, it's the same. I think I wonder if it's because mando was such a success and mando's format is There was a big action scene every episode because if there's not people won't there's always two.  It's not a movie By the way, the whole two action scenes thing is not more prominent than in episode four because the two action scenes themselves could have Just been one That everybody has a big fight, you know the flag smashes zemo our heroes Walker and luma everyone's this is a big fight Kind of ends it peters out in the first fight and then the second fight It's like it restarts and then we get the big payoff because it's like, yeah We can't have a big payoff right at the beginning.  I'm sorry. It's so easy to manipulate. You're so easy to manipulate Nothing behind it. They stole this from other movies as far as I'm concerned. They didn't earn this They're just like it's out of payoff now bitches They stole a lot of the winter soldiers arc if you can call it that from other movies Like there's a lot of jason born in here. There's a lot of other characters too Like it's just kind of a patchwork of references from better movies. It's mainly just the payoffs. It's not the journey And it's all about the journey. That's the most important part God's hand like yeah, it's it and as people are pointing out, where did you learn how to farm on a farm? And yeah, so uh, we flash forward then because that's done Like literally that's done. That's it now. Good job. You've gotten your uh, your winter soldier content It's just like you'll that's it like the because the end of this is more bucky content like in episode Yeah, okay, cool.  He kind of like destroyed the avengers team. Do you remember? It's like I hate you That's barely an exaggeration to the the dialogue is It's like that throughout the season because they don't know how to write and then she says to bucky Uh, by the way zemo killed the king the king that chose me to be in like the button.  How did you figure that out? What made you say eight hours also? No, germany gets him back Yeah, there's so much wrong with it. First of all bucky tell her what exactly is going on You're trying to stop the world from being destroyed by crazy terrorists with super serum and he knows how Okay, that's step one step two Uh, he's going back to german germany's prison. I don't know what you guys want and then if they went Oh, well, we kind of want that actually in fact, we're gonna take him back to the raft I think you just be like wait why the wrap Why why do they care which prison it is exactly like what does it matter? What prison is do they just want him in prison period because it's like, yeah They're gonna bring him back probably if everything went right. It's very strange. She's like, oh, okay. That's what you Fine and then if you could just be like, yeah, so um Can you guys maybe help us then like work with us against these flags? You guys can nail it like you can rip him to shreds and then you can take zemo because the job will be done In fact, we know where carly is like soon. It's just yeah, just give like no eight hours Oh, well the plot would be too confused to decide who wins between carly and the the Wakanda lady the the plot wouldn't know what would Who's allowed to win this have you seen the video where a guy drops a um a bit of bread with Like jelly on or whatever and it it slaps the ground with jelly and then he drops a cat And it flips and lands legs first right because those things always happen. So he sellotapes them back to back And then drops it and it just spins in mid air that the whole world explodes because it's like you can't I feel like that would happen if they go to shoot each other the bullets just They they stand like they they do like the matrix They just stay in the middle that they start to shake and that everything shakes and then the whole world just cracks into it It's like, oh no, like who's supposed to win out of you two.  So like I guess they knew that and you know I just thought I'd mention it. I don't like they just drop in and yeah eight hours Very arbitrary The buggy doesn't make a case for themselves at all Yeah, it's like but what if it takes us more than eight hours to go to do this stuff because like This is a big deal. We we need to succeed They'd be really bad if we don't win this. Why are you only giving us eight hours? Why are you not giving us the time that we need? Yes, like you're giving us eight because you hope that we can get what we need to get done done and then you can take Zemo it's like why not nine? Why not 10? Why not 12? Why not 24? Why? like well We figure eight is the amount that'll be most dramatic Fair enough Yeah, and I can't it's after this scene. It's not this one yet. Uh, I I can't remember if they have like a Zemo is just talking about how it's there's not gonna be much point in trying to reason with Kali. She's like a Doomed individual because that's what serum does. I think he talks about how serum just makes people have more power And thus the like power corrupts a standard sort of argument And then they say uh, what about steve and he says touche and basically says but there's only one steve Like implication being that it's very very rare for the serum to uh Not result in people going crazy. He said you wouldn't want to wield with red skulls, would you? Um, and I know that some people are frustrated by this. They're like, well, wait, that's an exception Why isn't Zemo acknowledging the exception? It's like well when I was listening to him I kind of took it as him saying like, oh, okay. Yeah, it's not 100 but it's like 99 Which is still pretty bad And it's not certainly not with the risk you guys do well. Look at what happened with the avengers in sycovia.  Um, maybe there's Wait, like I said, they're deliberately vague so we can do a little bit of infuring here Maybe it simply means like we're gonna start cracking down the borders. We're always still there But you guys playing around with them. We're gonna come for you now We're gonna make sure these borders are actually up and mean something Maybe that's your robotting a lot for me mauler. Um, oh Say something Hello You're not a robot for me Okay, that's weird You sound like how capital looks Oh You know from a distance for some reason it looked like some bearded man from antiquity with a weird hat Kind of like swigging us. Yeah Yeah, I see what's here. Can you see that? It's like that. It's like that. Uh, painting of the woman with the headscarf I don't talk about I don't not familiar with that one, but it definitely looks like a painting from here Yeah Um What are we talking about?  I just find it amusing that this show doesn't Doesn't really know what it's doing with carly because it's like got a sad message It's like carly. It directly led to things we don't want. She's like, well There we are then We need to kill more people. I just want someone to find me like carly.  Is that what this is? You just You seem a little into it gonna say gonna be honest with you Um, yeah, so she's very upset obviously and so they go, uh This next plot line, right? So it's leading them to this area that that mama Person is supposed to have been at And there's a scene do you remember watching this guys and they and falcon walks in he's like, hey Can anyone help me find mama mama donya? Is it? Um, yeah, and they all just immediately leave the room and he sees uh The logos of the literal terrorist logo is on everything and he's like, hmm. This is strange He's like, excuse me. Hello anybody and they keep avoiding him. It's like falcon. They know who you are Go away black man So what's funny is uh as we've been going through this There's selective awareness of who he is from every location on earth Some people have no idea who he is Some people know exactly who he is and it will be dependent or whatever they need at the plot line at the time It's really funny.  Did she not promise to help? So this is we we did a bit on um The flag smashers already, but this is just sort of a bonus set So this guy says the giasi promised this like house this group of people to bring um additional teachers And like assorted resources that was six months ago.  It's like I'm starting to not trust this guy I think What happened was the giasi was formed and they were like we're gonna help the world as best we can and Provide what we can where we can and he read into it as I just have specific things for this building and I didn't get them It's been six months In which we need a representative from the giasi to be like Okay, we haven't sent you stuff yet Because you're alive.  You're able to run a school Like yeah, I don't even really know What do you want you're doing okay?  I'm sorry and the giasi is global apparently They are desperately trying to help it This show does not convince me the flag smashes have a brain cell like ever I just I wonder I want someone to talk to them about this. I feel like what did what did they promise when and why like did you call them personally? You know like we need some teachers and the giasi will like yeah, but we'll try we'll get on it We will help you as best we can and then he's like six months. Did it bring us a teacher? More than half the world's population just like snapped back into existence after five years All right, we're we're running low on resources. We're doing the best we can Why does no one ever say that in this movie? I don't know and so it's weird.  They promised me.      We did it. I want to make I I wish this was the dc universe that I could just wish for all the things that I wanted. Yeah What a pity So, uh as if that wasn't frustrating enough right the scene ends with zemo getting the information He needs because he has a brain while our two protagonists Falcon talks to that guy right who says like, oh, we need to help.    This is the place the flag smashes hang out.  Bye He's like yep dead end you know No, but luckily zemo is here And he like does something that I kind of think is is kind of neat Like trying to gain trust with the kids by giving them some candy and then saying hey I'm a friend of the girl who died and I really like to know where a funeral is so I can pay respects and they're like Oh, yeah, okay. It's it's here and he's like sweet Like yeah, okay. That's that's a good zemo moment.  Someone did it. It's all right Dylan was competent and it's like our heroes though.  So yeah Oh, and I think it was nice enough that he said it was my son's favorite just stuff like that here in there To tell us that it's still on his mind what happened to his family. I appreciate that as well Uh But I want us to remember because we will come back to it that he tells the children not to trust falcon and winter soldier He's explicit. He's like do not trust these men. Like yeah, okay I'll be relevant in a minute. We got something more frustrating to talk about they get back home Falcon has a sit down and says, you know what? Carly has a point And then winter soldier is like Dude, even if she does look at what she's doing That I don't I cover for the conversation like ends in a satisfying way if it kind of just trails off But like this was when we were like, oh falcon's done though. He's out.  Why wouldn't you be like? Dude, I don't think anybody was really getting anything six months ago That's when everyone blipped in they would have been chaos Like I don't think it was insane. It was nuts Like I'm sorry that they weren't able to do what they promised clearly something happened Yeah, and they're doing the best they can and Like what what do you want them to actually do though? Like who should not Who should who should not get the supplies so that you can? That's that's the conversation I want to see happen.  Oh for sure You have no idea They just don't seem to be aware of that like I'm just picturing, you know Just a really like a third world country where a whole bunch of people ported in it on a village that's already starving It's just like oh god like What's gonna happen now?  It's like wow Thanks Think we they think we should all be what do they even want do they want one big government or no government? I don't even know one big one. Is there a reason why I already speaks english here? Whatever I'm just sitting here thinking like Latvia. It's like oh, yeah, that's like in eastern europe Why they're speaking english because they're the door the english they need it Yeah, but they're not even doing it in the accent hey, they're supporting the flag smashers They're gonna need to know english because all them speaking accents required I'm maybe the actresses weren't good enough And why is carly british was that like important? I don't understand her history is very unclear she She was displaced and then she went to And then she was trained up in madropore in some way shape or form then she left madropore after getting the serum That's really all we know um So it becomes clear that zemo was told something by those kids and he tells them. Yeah, he knows about the funeral and You know, I don't thinking about I don't really have an issue with him telling them that because why wouldn't he right? They're gonna the flag smashes are there. He needs them to help him take him out probably um So, yeah, that's all fine At least for moving the plot along. Um, but this bit less so they want to know Uh, I think it's walker. They want to know They want they want sharon to keep tabs on walker Just phones it and asks for that as like a benefit Oh, he just needs this like I might be misremembering this because he she eventually uses the satellite to help him with walker But um, I think here he's looking for Something else the point is she's like, yeah, I have a satellite It's like oh, yeah You have a satellite you you have a satellite how'd that get up there? Did you the satellite did all the stage?  Oh, you know what? We'll just move past that one because I don't We're nearly seven hours and we're only at episode four. So I'm just gonna keep on moving. It's fine.  So this scene happened and um, I remember I think better at least two or three people sent me a message Soon after this episode it aired because they were furious about this particular scene and I was just like, yeah, I can understand uh he says The the carly's Cohort in in the destructive shit they get up to when they get their serum from where the hiding place they had it in he says Two things the first one. I don't even know which one of these is more frustrating But we'll just go with this order It says his grandfather fought in world war two. He said if ever you feel scared doing something, it's probably because it's right Yeah, so like that's really horrible advice. I don't know what to say Any risk is the correct risk to take like you should always take risks because if you're scared you're doing it, right? It's like, oh, okay. That's a really yeah I get that like I guess the idea they're going for so doing the right thing is sometimes risky and I'm scared. They're not easy to do but like Anytime you're feeling scared like really it's bafflingly like narrow. It's like, whoa That's just what do you mean?   I just ah man. I can't get enough of it. Just the thrill You know, that's why I do it just the thrill of it. Well, that's why I would never live in majorport If there's no laws to break then I mean, yeah, it's boring, but that's no fun It's not against the law, you know, uh That's why I regularly set my house on fire. It's quite sort of engaging and terrifying It's scary and that's how you know, you're doing the right thing the right thing The other quote like I said, I don't know which one of these born fury. It was probably going to be this one he says You know Before I met you I didn't think there could be another captain america This ladies and gentlemen is after she has burned people to death They would just like The way that you burn those people to death I'm just imagining him being in that car with her after that happened like You'd be a great captain america The other people are roasting a lot. I even believe that even she would be like, all right, chill out I know that I'm not that great.  He's like, no, I believe it. She's like, oh, that's even worse Yeah, and and she says in this scene something like um cap shield is a symbol Of all of the people who are left behind and that it should be destroyed The people who are left behind It's like it's a symbol of all the people that it's failed over the years or some shit like that Oh, so no shield and everyone gets failed then that's a great, you know, that's a good point carly You're you're brilliant. You should be a terrorist for a job. It is pretty frustrating Because that shield was quintessential in winning world war two in this universe. So fuck you No idea what you're talking about Also, I mean like she is the the villain at least nominally so like you can be like, oh well That's what the show thinks that the villain would say One thing I noticed though in watching the show all in one sitting when they do the previously on's they tend to show quotes That are more important for like theme than they do and like actually catching you up on what's happening Did you notice that too? We try to skip the previously's because we're getting annoyed by them I hate previously's because they tend to tell you what to care about and I'm like no, I care about Exactly But what what they do in this show is they show the previously on's for important lines about the themes and they showed that one a lot in the previously on's for the Future episodes like they think that's an important line And that makes me think like, huh, do you do you really think that does the show really think that the captain america shield represents Like everyone left behind by america, whatever that means. It's very bizarre. I don't get it Um, I would go as far as saying she's relatively unchallenged and the it's pretty consistent in this season that they consider the Shield to be symbolic of good and bad when it's literally got nothing bad attached to it It's only ever been used for good things. It's just yeah Frustrating it's like, yeah, but america though, you're like, okay What Perfect, that's the things it's like did cap ever say that the country was perfect and without Went against the country like what yeah In winter soldier and plenty of times he went against it when he saw corruption.  We'll arrest the boba again.   I don't know and they're yelling too. They're not even whispering Yeah, there's a whole bunch of people right there I feel like there's gonna be loads of people at lotfield. They'll be like you're all famous Like whoa, can you walk the camera out? Walker wouldn't be after America's suit. It's like that would probably They could have to seen in the room they were staying at it did not have to be outside Yep, I don't understand they wrote themselves into this problem I don't get it I mean it just keeps getting worse than what you think about it as well because Walker is like right then the plan will be to take it down by you know, some kind of pincer perimeter type movement It's like no walker. The first step is to call the government. You know where the flag smashes are call in your backup We can stop them here and now it's done But no None of that because he has to be off the books for this whole episode.   I cannot stand that he thinks he's just gonna like change her mind like he'll talk to her like He'll fight The new captain america quicker than he'll fight the villain. It's insane. Yeah He's like, oh, she just I we got to talk to her. We got to you know, sympathize. We got to be empathetic It is I could change this person's mind this person who's blowing up buildings and his dead set on Some new world order is like I could I think I could change their mind in a conversation. Give me five minutes I bet I could do it.  It's actually a joke like I know that the creators of this show think that that was really clever I know I know Like they're like you see it's important that that comes into the story.  You have to stop her. She is a monster If she gets away, she will kill again Like now it's fine though. You know, it's not fine And he's like I can talk it down. It's like, what do you propose will happen falcon? He's already burned people to death. She's got a she's like the leader of this organization There's loads of expectations. They got public support. You're just gonna talk her into giving up No, who won't I guess I guess they think because they talk zemo down at the end of the civil war They can do the same thing with this bitch The falcon is the guy who when side shirt bob says no that says the bot the is like convinced instead of diebot dying um It's it's a little bit too much for me To believe that any of the people involved in any of this would do any of this It's like it's just it's all cascaded. None of these people would make any of these decisions.  This is a funeral and and and like It's it's so uh cookie cutter.  Yeah, exactly. You betrayed me do it. Yeah, so obvious that that's what they were going to do Because we have to make him the bad guy.    We just want to talk, okay? We so that when they eventually come in because he's on a 10 minute timer He knows that that it shouldn't be a shock Um, I guess walker comes in like one minute early or something. I don't know he convinces uh Bucky by the way, Bucky. Yeah, he's like we should go and he's like, no, he he said 10 minutes Let's wait 10 minutes. We haven't heard like gunshots or screams for help or anything. He wanted 10 minutes Let's give him 10 minutes And he says to bucky that your partner might be in trouble and that convinces bucky It's a little bit weird. You would have thought wait bucky. You never thought about that Like that was I figured that someone you were talking to account that he might be hurt, but you're just gonna Never find and Yeah, they walk in and they destroy it all their conversation I can't remember if there's anything specifically to bring up here, especially to feel a little bit more expedient It's it's just frustrating to listen to and and there's that meme we brought up earlier We're like she she basically explains a lot of things that she values and wants to do And then um, she's like wait a minute.  Yeah, everything's fine. It's like any that's how you feel and then you know walker ruins it all He walks in He's like enough terrorism and then She pushes falcon into walker And I think bucky like gets in the way of lamar And that's why she gets a head start Well, i'll get something in the bucket. I don't know. Um And she does a super jump bucky does a super jump. He's right behind it literally like two or three meters Um, then she jumps down a place he jumps down the place and I think I brought this up on some of the stream we were doing So weird like Bill making wise. Okay, so he's like right.  He's the winter soldier. He can't lose people like this. It's not possible It's yeah, they slightly inconvenienced him for like a second or two And he completely loses it. She was literally meters in front. He could use his ears you know and they enter this room Like from one side is bucky. The other side is falcon. So how many doors are they like 17? It's like, I don't know where she went it's like Guys it's pathetic And uh, they completely lose it Though it does set up a slightly more satisfying moment So maybe it's for the best, but then it's not like perfect So, you know, but she's running away like the coward that she is and um The one of the two heroes of this story catches her shoots her And it's very very satisfying. Everybody was happy. Everybody liked this when zemo shoots her Yes, we were so happy.  It was like, well It's absurd that he shoots once and then just stops. It's like, no, no, no. Keep going. Keep please. Keep going. Please. Keep shooting Zemo you're evil. Please do more Yeah, um like he shoots a couple times once she's out of view so that he can't possibly hit her Which is like, yeah, and then she does this dive over a table And it really just he just can't deal with it. He's like, ah table.  Nah, definitely not Yeah, and you know, he shoots again and he's just like, what is this contraption Table But then he does the thing and yeah, the the action scenes and the choreography are so bad in this show It's so bad. Like no one thought this through Yeah, everybody's everybody in chess talking about how hard it is to deal with tables. Yes. It's not this is a thing Table's my worst enemy. So uh, then this moment of truth happens when uh, when we were watching this for the first time He picks up the serum.  Oh, we were so worried. Yeah, we were The tension in the proverbial air was just Oh, I was you could cut it with a knife.  Yeah contrast it at all and then when he smashed it, we were all cheering We all God Because this is the thing I would easily expect these writers to have him say, you know what no one can be trusted with the serum But I can But yeah, yeah, it smashes it and it's like, oh, thank god. Yes. Thank you so much Not just for the fact that this is in character, but my god. Am I done with super soldiers?  I guess he didn't bring them here Well, I was gonna say maybe he didn't bring his goggles so never mind actually.  Well, wait, but we know he did because he has that equipment anyway later on He has it. Well, I don't think he has it Zemo's place Yeah, that's right Um, but Zemo's having loads of fun. He's just he's just smashing all of them But unfortunately, I'm gonna play it frame by frame something's gonna happen guys We're free mentioned it, but I mean it's still kind of funny to do this.   He's like, ouch that hit I can still talk totally. Yeah, it's fine. Zemo's fine. Don't worry about him. He's gonna be great. Uh, and then Walker sees the last vial and takes it for himself Which, uh, I think is fine character wise makes sense The only thing that's a little bit flumpy about this is the second he pockets it his, uh Lamar turns up right behind him like, oh, hey, man, what'd I miss and then falcon of winter soldier appear right in front of him go, hey, what I miss Remember when like this.  Yeah, significant physical transformation. These lads just get all of the power but they don't change No To be fair Of the simplification process Yeah, that could be wrong. Well, what I just said is doctor says something along the lines of like I made it more subtle So it's a throwaway line, but it's something Yeah, well, I was saying like there is reason to believe that different serums, right? Like I think so It's just that um, I guess I find a little frustrating though that this like Fucking five-year-old girl has like the power of a truck when she punches people It just doesn't it's like no, it doesn't seem quite right as it doesn't You'd think there'd be some physical changes to be able to have that kind of punch behind you Like it must change your flesh bone and how everything works It's very convincing when you see steve go through it because he just looks like a tank Um, for sure, but now it's just like no, I can be anybody It's just like I get okay because like, I don't know. It's like it's like sci-fi. I guess but Wait, does this come under fantasy or sci-fi when you just have goo that makes you Yeah, this is absolutely. I would say Yeah, it is it is made in a lab and stuff. So yeah, yeah, whereas fantasy means magic This isn't magic. It's meant to be contrived Well, what if it's what if it's sorcery not magic? Oh, well, I mean as I learned in that writing class There is no you can't have fantasy and science fiction at the same time. It's either one or the other That'll never catch on never catch on that were man that advice Even it's like he's wrong It would be funny if they were like, well, yeah, no excluding stuff like the mcu, but you can't you can't do it Yeah, there you go, he's got his ice pack I'm sure you'll be okay. And this is one of the more disappointing parts of the whole episode because I think I can't remember which of the two things are but one of the things falcon says to him is what about bucky in relation to how Super soldiers are all horrible And zemo doesn't answer it and that really fucking bothers me I wanted to hear him talk about it and I guess we're just supposed to appreciate that he's thinking about it It's like, okay I guess I should have be appreciative that I got that even this reminds me of when uh when in endgame Uh roti's like hey captain marvel.  And she's just like, oh, you know I was on other planets and they sort of like don't answer back and they just It's a good point. It's like no, please explore that further like it's not over Um Sorry guys it's time for that scene Uh, yeah This is the one that the set twitter ablaze and showed you who the retards were like very clearly I Did and it's it's ridiculous what if you think the scene is good quit if you're It's done.   They're in a foreign country. No one's a citizen there Um, I guess you could have well This is the weird thing about it because of the whole like contracts with the government yet also free agent Does anybody have any say over what falcon can do? I guess this show likes to believe that no one does okay So like even if surely they would right like if the if the u.s. Government like oh, this is no fly zone can't come here He can't just be like i'm a free agent. It's like, oh There's no fly zone here. She can't come here I'm from madrepoor. Your laws mean nothing to me. Also, dude. Look at labar's face right now, by the way He's just like Um, so yeah, uh, this is the weirdest walker gets there's a couple of things the walker does in the season That are kind of weird and it's just because the the makers wanted him to be evil He's like Oh, do you want to fight falcon? Is that it? Do you want to do you want to fight me? It's like What what what? You know instead of just being like no, we're gonna take zemo.  Oh my god.   That is the audience like what?  The kind of international incident that this alone could cause Hey, what condons killed captain america?   Was I supposed to do that?   Why? Hey It's fine. How you doing? So for anybody in chat who's like, what in the hell is happening the door milage Almost assassinated captain america for memes because really they just want to get zemo. They're like, hey, we want zemo Which is the same reason he was there by the way.   Where he was from where where the world was actually jail Yeah, where he he went to there was like a trial and there was a court system and they Took him to germany to be in prison And that's where it was decided that he would go Because shawla was the one who apprehended him and brought him to that prison.  I'm just trying to kill captain america. Imagine he gets that phone call. Hey, so we you know How'd your mission go? It's like, oh, yeah, good.   Um, can you like can we put down the pointy sticks, which is what they are? Yes Like he he's smiling is like, oh you'd rather fight bucky than these guys.   Did you see that the movies? There was a whole thing about this actually Um, and I thought part of the theme of this show was to try and shed some not so I guess flattering lights on imperialism in general Like it's kind of like, hey, isn't it bad that people just sort of take stuff that isn't theirs That was something that show was gunning with and so these people are just like, yeah So everything goes according to our will whenever we decide and so all of us as You know attentive Audience members like wow, these are clearly the bad guys even according to the show's sort of Thematic undertones and the narrative itself. These are definitely the bad guys.  Everybody loves them. So cool Is what mark the marvel said they they had the quote the the text over the picture Of the dora melange person and marvel said as they should as they should Completely contradicting multiple movies of their own series specifically Yeah, it's funny.  So like oh, they think they oh, so what you're saying is they really think they can Yeah, basically they think they have the means to do it so that they they have the right to which is Yeah, because they have sure police It's world police.  Can you see everyone can you see that arm everybody look? It's moving trigger warning that arm is moving Chat look out the arm's coming right for you. Oh, you can see the hand Oh, no, stop it.   She's strong enough to kick him so hard that he flies into the spear and then jumps totally over him You're not a super soldier as john points out later in the scene, but with oh, yeah, we'll talk about all of that So what i was trying to show for anybody who's confused in chat He puts his arm on his shoulder and says we got off on the wrong foot Which is one of the most standard american ways of just being like let us have a chat Clearly it's not Now well when you're from different cultures, for example, uh, they go over this in in in in scary movie three, you know Putting Like peeing out of fingers versus grabbing people by the throat and strangling them. These can be cultural differences Okay, you could try and murder someone and you're like, no, no, no, this is how we say hello.   Walker. Are you okay?  His name is larry.  Walker, maybe he shouldn't have overstepped his bounds. That's just a tap, you know It's a love tap. He's fine.  Do this move like without wires. Can you be in the air and then somehow spin yourself? Not something I would teach you exactly. Yeah So, yeah, uh, this was kind of mind-blowing because I was just like, oh my god if he hadn't grabbed the shield He'd be dead. Oh my god.  They're gonna throw the spear at her like the here it comes. She's like Oh god, that wasn't supposed to happen. Next frame doesn't work very well on vlc right now.   Could you imagine them doing these crazy moves ninja flipped over it? Yeah, in case you guys couldn't see it she threw that at this one who was jumping over all the furniture to grab It's like you could have just tossed it to it.  There we go.     It's like. Oh, really you think so Yeah, because you got Zemo, right?    I guess because I keep the next frame thing It's it just doesn't like me doing that. I'm sorry vlc. Can you please? Yeah, though I just want to make sure everybody acknowledges this.  They do not care And yeah, they're fighting for their lives here. You complain about assassination like throughout But when does it get to the point? We like no, I guess this is in character now That's that's we were out. They've damaged them so much. I guess this is just who they are now Um, they don't care about their friends dying.   I know so she can't beat him. He's a winter soldier Yeah, he's insane at this. He's like the best and though. He's arguably before this series like the best in the world Well, uh, this happens really quick and I think a lot of people might miss it This is a shot of one of the Dora Milaje about to execute Lamar. She's right about to do it Yeah, Sam stops him sir. Yeah, just stopped just in time and I want I want it to be noted, right? It's really important and good that they stopped this from happening.   It's it's like everybody should care about this But nobody catches it. Um It's and this is the thing the nature of flaws like I'm fine with Zemo It doesn't do anything for Zemo's character in a bad way that he does this but it does bad for everyone else It's like nice The entire fight is about Zemo and they just let him go because they're all just fighting because they're idiots So it's just like great job guys.  I'm pretty sure we really need to figure out this room. I need images If you see where she is when she starts She is we know this area, right? This is kind of where she was when we first saw her So if the room was a cube Um, oh, oh my god. I see what you mean. Yeah, she is in almost one of the corners The table she's throwing this at Is like that angle She would be here Where my mouse is right now in front of her. Yeah, she would be like here ish There's no way she can throw the spear this way. This makes no sense at all It like hits sideways it goes forward and then it hits on sideways on the table Like I think it might be even worse than what it comes across as when they they cut it. Um My god, this is the kind of thing that you need like scientists to get it on.  I guess It's almost like they're super soldiers Yeah, and then there's the part where she then to save boost his arm But um, yeah, like it's like a a t uh sort of Move she it's forward and then it just turns on an angle which is impossible Like that's essentially what happens here, but I think it even makes less sense than I think she teleports from where she starts The spear throw to where she ends the spear throw. Um, so yeah, it's it's bad all around actually um But uh, oh also cap doesn't draw his gun at this point. He's got a free arm on the gun side, but he doesn't draw it You might wanna when you're at this point, mate Yeah, you think so And yeah, quite right next up is the the disable bucky's arm because he just lets her Yeah, and then he's just one crime the crime of preventing you from murdering somebody. Yep. Well touching her on the shoulder Yeah, I know that yeah, he's he's crime bucky's crime was stopping her from murdering captain america. Yeah.  You're so wrong and you're so morally righteous at the same time Stopping me from murdering this guy who touched me Um, and like I said zemo escaping drinking his drink those are kind of like pluses There's another plus in this scene that I actually like but uh go ahead Um, I just want to mention again the the subtitles For what she says on the official subtitles are speaking wakandan james That's what I said. Yeah, she says bust damn you james because the person listening couldn't understand her flupy speak He just said wakandan speak It's pretty hilarious. You'd think they'd have updated that by now, but uh, oh well, yeah um, right and yeah, so you have this moment where um Caps on the ground and the dorm allowed to actually take his shield She picks it up and he's just pretty much defeated. Um, but the leader says leave it He's gone Almost implying that they would have taken the shield had zemo been here or something I don't know what leaving the shield or keeping the shield has anything to do with zemo, but Yeah, whatever and a lot of people by the way said that um, you know, they should have taken the shield It's vibranium that belongs to them. No, it doesn't I was like Oh, do you want to get into a conversation about original places where materials come from means the people who lived there Originally owed them like what the where are we going to get to at that point? I was about to say I don't even think steve shield was like forged from wakandan vibranium wasn't it just like I think howard said it was like the rarest metal on earth, so didn't they just get it from random places I don't think they got and also well all vibranium into commodity. You don't own an entire.  They they're totally fine. And yeah, um There's this there's the sense in the air.  Are they really that good? And uh, walker has a bit of a what you could call like a an audience moment a meta moment He's really sad because he got defeated by people who aren't even super soldiers when we were told that this guy is like top tier So I see it as more He's like sad at the writers. It's like, why have you done this to me? This doesn't make sense And I feel really bad for him. You could tell me it'd be like this when I signed on Yeah Um, and but like genuinely it because walker's like one of the only characters that gets like a close to a proper arc Whether or not this show wanted him to uh It makes sense that he keeps losing his fights. He's not point man And he doesn't have his jurisdiction that he would now use the serum.   We have We have killed one of them, right? At least yeah, and he slit her throat and there was no blood at all. It was hilarious It's just unreal. Well, that's because Kilimanjaro's a good guy. Remember you have to judge it by blood Dude, even in the theaters though when I watched that scene.  He cut your throat open. Well, they don't want to get on our rating. Geez It's funny because stuff like that. It's like, why did you have him cut her throat open then? Do something else um Yeah, and then they have a little conversation Finally and then non-combatant clothes and uh, there's Lamar basically says that surely getting stronger just makes you more of who you are Which um, it is a you know an interesting thing to just talk about because it's like a lot of people say power corrupts And it's like maybe it just reveals corruption that was already there And now that you have more ability to make more choices You're now going to show your true colors and that everybody has to worry about that It's a fair observation Uh as well as showing that they they value like the whole the the sign and autographs and The thing is you know, he's gonna die because this seed is basically like aren't we aren't we good friends? We've had a long history of stuff. I like hanging out with you smile. You're like, uh-oh Omarud So then The plot sort of just kicks back in because this episode is very jumbled.    We got to go this weird thing happens We're uh, so like this I don't know how to explain this they're not already hostile in this scene. Um Winter soldier goes to jump down to the ground Carly jumps off where she is to ram into winter soldier He's like whoa What are we doing? All he was doing was jumping down.   They never kill the people like that. They need to please We need it Um, it's so weird to think by the way, I don't know how you guys feel about it that narratively It's charon carter that kills carly. Does that not feel kind of like oh That doesn't it's not really satisfying in any way.  So you know what I mean? Yeah They also try to like have a little connection with her and carly where it's like you worked for me though We had different philosophies like you didn't introduce like your one scene Well, that's their only scene together in the whole yeah Um, I would argue that the the two assumed choices for killing it would have been walker and uh Why am I blanking I had the other name in my head. Where did it go come back? Bucky sam No to both of those. What was who's zemo that was it? It was a walker and zemo seemed like the ones that would would nail carly But uh, I think what I said when we were watching it zemo's chance to kill her was in that scene that he nearly killed her He's not going to be the one to do it anymore Yeah, and he just didn't For reasons.   Reinforcements, yeah, just one or two people, you know a little bit of help and you might be like well walker has the serum now And it's like yeah walker does But like even then You know you want backup right because this is against more people who have the serum and lamar doesn't maybe look out for your wingman They're oh, sorry. That's an offensive You're just your side man um So, yeah, this is weird moment where he's like.  How did that happen?  It is crazy Like in terms of just logistics it always is the show is just like now this happened now and you're like, oh, okay Well, oh, oh, all right.  It's much worse like you guys gotta be real careful um So then uh, I think we just get like bucky and falcon have made their way into this building as well Oh, by the way, they leave lamar with his knife How do you think he escapes guys?  It's almost like an arena room. I guess Now here we go. I'm gonna have to take copyright off because you have to see this what it is. Okay So caps fighting kicked into this wall He's about to throw the shield very angrily the point that we're given by the scene is oh He's taken the serum because there's no other way you could have done that Now he was just kicked into the wall by this guy watch what happens Please work frames Like I'm mad. Here I go throwing my shield So we're we're scanning across. Oh What just happened? Almost like we just switched scenes That's weird And then oh And that's not vlc glitching up. By the way, that's the that's the show. Um The shield goes into a wall and again is shocking and then it cuts back to walker And he's like where did the guy go? Like yeah, I don't know walker.  He just Yeah, like what do you mean? Where did what why were you throwing it over there then? How did this happen the guy disappears in the edit? It's insane walker's just like whoa. That's so weird how people can just diss him I swear to god walker is the most aware character I've ever seen when in a shitty show He's like why are you writing me this way? Why are you making people disappear on me? What's happening? Doesn't make sense Oh Is this sorcery or wizardry? I do not know possibly both Um Yeah, and then the guy just like magically turns back up again They continue their fight, but I just that edit is shocking the guy who did it was ashamed of himself He knew he was like this is terrible. Hopefully no one's. Oh, he definitely knew um Yeah, and so, uh Bucky's chasing carly falcons getting in there too. We're getting close to the big payout Everyone's got to collect up, you know for the for the big flumes. Now this part kind of annoys me uh Walker punches this dude through a door and falcon sees it Now remember you know who the flags smashes are you know?  It is nothing like this is what I mean You can't just like point it out as like oh, this is like a floor They make him do this. What are they trying to say about his character?  He's looking at the terrorist on the floor. He's like, hmm I guess he just fell over.  Yeah, well and it's worse because he's like, what did you do walker? It's like, um Are you like unaware of the situation right now? It's like what and then walker has to tell him they've got lamar It's like, yeah falcon. Maybe the situation is really bad and you should be helping your team instead of just going Hey, did you take the serum?   Just the most botched character It's probably the greatest assassination of the mcu. I don't know that anyone. Well, what do you think free? This is the thing with one do you mean like in terms of assassination with her character The thing with falcon is that there's so many instances of it instead of it being like one major one if you know what I mean Yeah, and him and bucky they just turn them into buffoons It's like a different type of assassination, but it's just like I I don't know man.  They just they just turn into clowns like great job That's not good. It's um, it's just very indicative of his morality too Unfortunately if only it was him missing his shots or failing to get to people on time because he can't fly probably or whatever Like no, there's so many scenes where it's like, oh bucky doesn't care about people's lives Oh, sorry falcon. Well, both of them really Um, so yeah, we get to the big arena room. This is the big fight room It's kind of weird They turn up and then two flag smashes try to jump on them to surprise attack them But don't attack them until they turn around. It's like, okay guys strategies. I don't know um And then they pull out a knife It's just like they're trying to do more mcu memes and um walkers like why do they always gotta have knives It's like he he so funny.  You know, don't use it. Just use the shield action scenes work Uh lemar eventually turns up too and I think that's about it before the thing happens But we're all here to talk about the day. Okay big scene. It's the one that everybody like oh my goodness so fighting all over the place right super soldiers versus good guys and um All kinds all kinds of beating up is happening Cap is unfortunate enough to have oh by the way, bucky has a chance to kill one of them and he chooses not to Um, I don't know what the show thinks it's saying Uh guy with a knife tries to kill bucky. I'm showing it now and uh He manages to disarm him. I think and throw him over the floor Now he could throw the knife at his head But he chooses to miss And uh and avoid killing him and I do not understand what we're doing here. Are we killing each other or not?  I guess um As we as we're getting up that tension though, unfortunately cap is grabbed and placed into a precarious position where uh, He can't defend himself if someone were to let's say stab him in the heart Unfortunately for him the guy who restrains him Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's worth remembering the guy restrains him.  She goes. Oh god. It's all over.  I'm sure Uh, walker was very happy to see his best friend save his life.  He is a base lamar chat lamar base Yeah, I want to yeah lamar and walker are the heroes of this story with zima as well Yeah, I'd saving his best friend a lot of people don't want to go out that way Yep, and so the whole room is shocked by this Kind of weird when you're watching it you're like wait, but You guys kill people all the time.  What was the point of the knives if you were trying to kill them?  Like what is this? Oh, no, we killed someone who doesn't matter So yeah, uh, yeah Such a weird scene and uh, we already knew what was gonna happen when we were watching this like I think when do we call this it was like Uh, when they were entering the room is like we were like lamar's gonna die and he's gonna go nuts and do something evil Like that was yeah, it's just that's just it Um, the thing is the show didn't make him do something evil. We're about to get to that So, uh, yeah, he's like, oh no, Lamar. Are you okay? This sort of allows them to scatter when I don't even know that they would Feel like if they remember tell him now Carly is a soulless monster. Not just because she's ginger. That's that's like a bonus. Uh, she doesn't want She she isn't sad that lamar's dead She's sad that she didn't get to kill captain america because that's the one that batters So this is prime opportunities This is the one you're like, oh he goes and checks on his friend.  And so this is the prime opportunity. She just runs off It's like that's weird Could it be There is another reason for her to run off Could it be that they're trying to get everybody away because they need cap to kill one person in particular? Not carly That would all baby So and maybe there was a scene earlier in the movie where that guy Where this one particular person might have said oh captain america. I love that guy. What a hero Captain america that shield man It's great. Oh, yeah, captain america. I like him a lot Would it be a shame if I died by captain america's hand? That'd be lame Now we talk about Uh, try to figure out like when scenes are coherent or not you have everybody in them You think of how they're there what they're capable of doing what they want all that sort of stuff Now there's two people in here that we haven't really considered yet. We've done it for everyone else falcon and bucky Now with all of the the flimpers running away And they see walker burst out of a window chasing someone What do you think they would do as characters? What do you think their next step is? Oh, I assumed they'd help him because he's clearly chasing someone important I feel like may they ask him what's going on like both bucky and falcon would follow him through that window They'd be like that guy is on a rampage.  Yeah, the camera doesn't see them.  They're running after someone question mark They just run somewhere. Um, I guess they lost whoever they were chasing because they're both morons And they never catch anybody, but yeah, they never caught them. They just come back empty-handed Uh cap is chasing I thought by the way that they cut back to lamar I thought that they were gonna have it so lamar didn't die and that whatever walker does is under the assumption that lamar died And then it turns out that he's like, you know, spruggling, but he's not actually dead And so it It just takes but no, they I guess they just cut back to let us know this is why he's upset by the way Yeah, we know We were watching Yeah, this this bit happens.   I don't I didn't kill lamar I just try to try and use so that you got bad. It's fantastic.   You're like, it's not gonna help you case man Everyone's going wow. Look at captain america kill that terrorist It's everyone there's like a crowd of like 25 people and all of them have their phones out at the same time to video Oh, yeah Camera trigger If you couldn't gather what they were saying This is look at this shot.    Why do we not care about this?  I'm drinking tea with these motherfuckers So the best you can say for what the intention of the scene was is that the way he does it So brutally and in public is a bad look, but like killing this guy is clearly the right thing to do Yeah, then the story comes out. Also. Yeah. Oh, yeah They were just engaged in a life-or-death battle.  He just attacked captain america's seconds before Yeah, I think the easiest way to interpret this scene is was this the best response? No Um, was this a response that you could see happening though? Yeah, would people condemn him for it? Not many No, I would yeah, that would be the big thing. What would probably be the better option It's like maybe interrogate him like he's oh, yeah, he should have arrested him But like this is the heat of it's more it's it's not unthinkable that this could happen Nor would people hold it against him that much. Yeah, we wouldn't get in trouble at all for this We don't really have to um run this as like a what would happen in real life So it was like we can just judge if this were someone's phone recording And we saw this and then we got the context that we have from the the show What would you guys think of this theoretical american soldier in latvia doing this? Yeah If someone said do I condemn his actions I'd be like I think that it's perfectly reasonable for this to have happened Uh, I don't I don't really see how you can judge this man too harshly considering everything Like this was not the absolute best response go ahead Yeah, I would I said, you know, just don't do it in public where there's kids around I mean be private with it, but you know, I don't really give a shit I mean even to that I'd be like I mean well the luxury of Mommy, what are they doing with that man?  Yeah, and captain america Killed him indirectly killed a lot of civilians because he thought it would be a good idea to blow up the helicarriers Yeah, because he didn't want he decided no one should be having the power of those helicarriers And then in age of ultron he relied on it to save everybody's lives Like cap made a huge mistake in winter soldier and he was judged harshly for it Yep, which is which is great.  So That guy and it's not even close. There you go. I just I just played the thing that guy's spines broken that he's Droughted Out of course the big one when tony says we're not reversing time cap doesn't put up a fight. He says, yep, that's totally fair Yeah, look at him. Look at him. He's super dead Plenty of people show the whole scene. I want you to show the whole scene of how many people die I can show it with the copy right up, but uh, you don't have to squint a little bit to see all of the kills.  That's not bad at all Oh, man, I feel like I would much rather be the guy. I would not even close I would rather be dragged Then get hit or kicked or punched by him in any way Not yet not even close rendering. He didn't have a chance to surrender. He didn't even know what happened to him He just died. Oh, look at that one Yeah, so cap lands and uh, yeah, so I hope I can get this in the right position Yeah, he jumps down to this lot. All right. This is a surprise attack.  He does this guy's just turn around.  Oh, yeah, and in in a completely different circumstance My answer would be different.   They're bad. Yeah, that's fine.  I expected to kill these people. Yeah The point is that it's really frustrating when A man is condemned for less Like when he shouldn't be condemned at all and when the hero that everybody says he ain't as good as Did the same thing whose tool he's using who whose shield he's using did way more They had to devote an entire movie To that. Yeah, and I do not want to understate the triskelion ends this conversation. Okay over And and again, just watch watch what's the first avenger and look at how many how many people again Killed in that movie and in what ways getting Getting their heads Well, they have the part with a motorcycle where it shoots the wire and it just knocks them off when in reality their heads are coming off It is again like in the simpsons.   We're done with that. Um This is no no worse than any of the others. It's just the way it's framed It's the way the camera moves the way the music plays. It's the shocked faces on the audience The blood yeah You could have done this with many of cap's kills and you have to be a willfully ignorant audience member to allow the show To tell you how to feel instead of feeling about these events how you would feel Yeah This is really the big thing to take away from this entire show was that If you watched it and were like, oh, john walkers are bad guys like the reason why you believe that is because You're not treating this like an actual sequence of events where you can make your judgments about what's happening and when the show is doing a good job but They should be in aligned. There should be some sort of alignment between um Between what you're seeing on screen and like how you meant to be interpreting it But here it's just oh, he's a bad guy Listen to this music And listen look there's blood on his shield.  He's a bad guy No, again, so it wasn't the terrorist surrendering. Um, I don't know that he He just says like don't stop. Please like stand this sort of stuff um, this is the thing when you're like Literally inches and seconds away from making all of these decisions I don't know that it should be put upon him like morally that you should have known in those seconds Not to execute this man that could easily kill you if the tables were turned Example from saving private ryan, right? You have the first one where they surrender the guy pops up and shoots immediately Because it's like they need a battle And then you have the second one where the two guys are surrendering and the soldiers have like 10 seconds to make this decision And just kill them because I feel like it It's like clearly one of these is a lot worse than the other And to remind you of that that cap killer I was showing earlier. All right.  Look at this dude right here Do you really think that this isn't like when a person is literally dazed and wobbling back and forth? Having dropped their gun. Is that not the equivalent should cap not spare this man now? He's done He's out of the fight.   Now. Let's go back to this example You're like, hey, look the guy surrendered cap. Leave him alone.   Why aren't you fighting? Why are you all of a sudden like just There's um Cap is quite the body count If you inspect every single example of every time he's chosen to end someone's life You're gonna find plenty of what you saw with walker. And so Uh, if you find that too like like Think of iron man too the amount of people he's killed me didn't need to Oh, yeah, remember that that town that he was in like I forget the the name of it in the first iron man movie Like he punches a guy up like into a two-story building and like it explodes when he hits the wall It's like, yeah, he kills That's badass. Well, this is horrible because of the music and the cabra So I could tell him it's awesome Framing Be everything in terms of how an audience reacts to something. Yeah In iron man's case, you might be like, wait, so do you think it was bad in iron man's case?  Like it's it's, you know Not not really that bad in my book. No, uh, there's obviously like political elements to it And that's part of what iron man ends up dealing with or tries to in civil war ends up going with but um Yeah, this moment was incredibly controversial and lots people were discussed whether or not um Yes, you should consider him a bad guy or not and I was very worried at this point that he was going to become the villain for the season um Really didn't want that to happen Like carly teams up with falcon to beat him or something.  But unfortunately, I wish I could skip to when they pulled it back But something else has to happen first and we kind of talked about a little bit earlier That would be episode five I hated all of this this like might be the scene in the entire series that triggered me the most I was like god almighty. Yeah, I think so They they fall out just assault him and steal the shield break his arm And the the kangaroo court later on with like the senate where he just has no say in anything It's like how how is any of this happening?  Either like give us back our shield. It's like those guys stole it from me and broke my arm Like what do you want me to do? I would argue it's even weirder than that He says he'd like to give his testimony like to like, you know Add to the court and he and the guys like in response is like we already have all the information we need It's like that's not how this works Oh, but he just doesn't get to defend himself. All right, apparently it was really hard Just like I I'd like to give the context for everything.  It's like well Currently they're in like a town plaza place with the corpse They all run to to a garage Okay Stay in public and try to find a way to leave the country or something like that or call in reinforcements or you know I would I would argue He's gonna want backup and he'll probably go back to lamar's body.  I failed being cap Damn because he kind of didn't really What are you guys? But yeah, he goes into this garage and he like has a little bit of a moment just being sad about what's happened and uh Then falcon and bucky just turned up. I guess they were keeping an eye on him Sort of trailing him and just being like oh he went into that place to go get him They keep showing us the blood on the shield by the way just in case you didn't know that's bad Keep framing it. It's so noticeable. It's like so many times too.  Yeah I got it the first time around all he needed is that one shot stopped cutting back to the shield Well, I think you need to appreciate the getting blown. There's the shield the cap never did that this guy did though No, uh go watch the movies never drop a blood on that thing Fringy, what you don't know nothing you didn't watch the mcu apparently I'm sure that Yeah This bit here I consider very important. I'll even say I really like this shot The guy is clearly hurting.  He's lost his best friend. That's gotta suck.  That's the like how do you not have our team person who saved my life? How are you all right? We can fix it's like it doesn't this doesn't have to all fall on you Like reassurance of some kind. We're here for you. Also. You did nothing wrong Probably toss that in yeah um Yeah, so And then he says time to go to work and gets back up Which is the thing that uh, he said when he first put the the outfit on in episode two Like he's trying to move past what's happened. It's like that's that's kind of nice You know there's more to say positively about walker than there is to say ever about bucky or falcon So I guess I'll just take those wins where I can get them Um, but yeah, this is what we talked about earlier He's like you guys should see a medic and then falcon immediately. He's like you need to stop walker. It's like what What's what's with the attitude? What's happening?  Yeah, don't do that again zemo. That would be bad if you did that again Please but with walker.  He's he seems perfectly calm and lucid So it's like I don't know why you guys are freaking out so much If anything, he's pretty well adjusted considering lamar just died like And they don't appreciate that at all and they don't mention it. And like I said, it really pisses me off That's the case.  It's a bit of a pause that you just have I'm gonna give us the shield. Okay No I would like it's so much better if they were like, come on. We get we look do we get just calm down?   I've been like see you later walker That would have been it. They wouldn't have been like, okay, dude come with us. Like you'll be okay.   I mean like these guys they're going the way in the slammer for a while My face when this fight started I just I knew it was happening and when it started happening.  They're actually yeah, I was like walker kick their asses Oh, I so wanted him to win. I was so wanting him to win, but he just couldn't I think was just leave be like i'm not fighting you and it's just like dude I'm gonna run and then go back to the city square.  It's like, yeah, why are you guys making him do this? Fuckers He doesn't need to he doesn't want to he's not aggressive at all. They're the ones who initiate this fight And it's just It's so backwards morally annoying Um The fight itself I can't even be asked to break down every single move.  Oh by the way walker throws the shield at bucky and he can't catch it. It tosses him Um, even though it's straight it's straightforward throw which to me. I was just like wait, but You've caught that before when cap has done this to you. Like what?  Um, and it's a straightforward throw straight to bucky and he just goes whoa and flies across which by the way Just makes if it can take you off your feet with its force, then I guess you can't stop it with your hands, right? Because that'll Am I understanding? I don't know the physics in this show or garbage, but I think you're right You know if it's gonna hit you hard enough that you'll fly off your feet Then your hands can't really do a lot of yeah, that's a lot of Oh, yeah, here we go. I guess I'll take the copy right cover off so you guys can see this Go frame by frame. Come on vl. So you can do it. See this is this is good old bucky. He's like whoa He's about to fly into See that he hits a cable. I guess Just your average cable and it sparks that his ob breaks and he just lies on the ground good That's it.  That's all that ever is Um, and then foul. So this is the thing. He's defeated the winter soldier now. He's got left his falcon. It's like so he's won, right? Like falcon's not gonna be able to beat him. He's juiced up Like remember he tested off the charts for everything before he had the serum and he has the shield like falcon's done However Well, well actually he rips off falcon's wigs. Um, yeah, that's something that he does After screaming i'm captain america. Yeah, that was that's one of see that's one of the several bits of cringe about Walker in this season There's a little little sprinklings of cringe.  I guess his arm's working again Because they do that thing where they just take turns because it's easier to do choreography when it's not three of them. Um And so they just keep hitting each other until they get him locked into a position We're using the thruster and pushing on the arm.  I was very gonna be unhappy if that had happened And and what i'm finding from a lot of people just talk like who didn't enjoy this season as a whole Everybody seems to like walker. That's what i'm gathering. Yeah, because walker he feels like he's been victimized by this show Like he's the unfortunate Just I get victim.  Mm-hmm And also like his whole attitude and approach.   Yeah, he was uh Like falcon does not carry on the legacy of captain america and any of the ways that matter walker does the Yeah, exactly idiot walker did what was right even if it was difficult he was Legitimately slowed anger he um He had I mean the show tries to really Make him seem like he's unstable, but outside of the one or two times They just try to make that be the case.  Yeah Because I don't know if you guys I don't know if you forgot, but there's blood on the shield guys. Oh, yeah, the falcon dressed the bike on the blood off the shield Oh in that case. Yeah, it's got off easier. I need some damn windex This blood off my shield my window shield Now this is important because we've mostly covered this episode already Which is pretty great because we only have one left after that because there's nothing in episode five It's like entirely filler, but there's a couple of bits that are really funny So this is five the boat episode. Yes, it's the boat episode. We can skip over most of it. It's gonna be great so this building housed the uh The the the flag smashes and all of the police are here now Presumably the grc too because we get told by torres that uh, the grc have taken jurisdiction of this area Which is hilarious Why would they do that? Oh because they found the flag smashes Oh, so if walker had simply told the grc.  They would have agreed they only did this now because apparently it's like a huge international event that he killed a terrorist Nothing of this makes sense. Can you imagine? Oh my god So who wants a world without terrorists? I mean, there'd be nothing to do There is this room that our characters are standing in cap's shield is on the table right there If you remember later the people of the grc are like, hey walker return the shield. It's our property Apparently nobody here realizes the shield is with falcon So they think they hit that he hit it up his arse like what what do they think it is?   Yeah, because in the footage I saw if you're killing the terrorist your arms seem fine. So what happened? Yeah, it's like maybe there's a story going on there But apparently no one cares and like give us back our shield. It's like dude. You can get a search warrant from my house I don't have the damn thing So this is like this workers moving through this room where the the shield's right there. How do you grc?  Do you want him and falcon's like no, you can keep him Yeah, because in the comics, he's falcon. He's gonna be the new falcon I guess when they continue this shit while captain falcon america man with Silly outfit, you know, he's gonna be the new and improved Because you have the shield too so bucky goes and does Is this the last thing that I want to compliment that we haven't actually talked about yet I just want to get to the zemo scene Um a little bit weird that basically bucky goes to the sycovian memorial and zemo's just there It's like was zemo waiting for bucky or was he I assumed that was the case I'm just like why why would he captured escape? Does he want to escape or does he want to be in prison like Does he I assumed he doesn't want to go to prison. He doesn't think that what he did was Like really wrong and maybe well, does he want to do sycovia stuff and be a baron? I'm gonna have to do some major infeering here And I think this is too much credit for the people who write this show, but Could it be possible? Because he does feel sorry for not only t'chaka to t'chaka, but also um bucky himself I think he even apologizes to him and he says I crossed my own name out Could that mean what what he's saying is like this is my Like I'm making amends for me on your behalf. I'm giving myself up for you I'll go to prison because I do deserve it for a couple of the things that I did Would that be it maybe Maybe but again that's given them a lot of credit It really is and that I've never felt that I could infer that much from this shit You know like like on looking into the subtext that much for this terrible show like I don't know Um, but yeah, unfortunately bucky ruins the scene because zemo is doing pretty great He the fact that he said I've crossed my own name out in your book as well It was pretty neat and the fact that he's at the sycovia memorial.   I don't know why you'd want to do this Yeah, I don't actually get it. I don't yeah, I don't Nation is at it like I don't know it's weird. It's weird, but then as if that wasn't enough Bucky wants to show zemo and the audience right so when you you know when you shoot a gun, then there's no bullets in it It's not hard to infer.  It is such a weird moment I don't know what they were doing. I don't know. He's supposed to represent something But bucky takes the time to like look at all the it's like dude You don't want to pick those up and put them back in like it's a gun It's like yeah, when you load your gun it tends to work better bucky. I don't know if you knew that So, yeah, I was just curious if anybody has any idea why bucky did that A lot of people saying trailer shot it could have been a trailer shot.  We'll just move right along So the dora belage pick him up and they're taking him to the raft We kind of went over how that makes no sense at all and the tochala himself delivered zemo to the german police So what the hell are they doing when their king did the the other thing? no idea I don't know if the people who wrote this like watch the other movies No, I don't think so either So, um, if I go back a bit because uh, yeah, there's zemo scene. It's more fun to talk about that briefly. Um The walker will just do all the walker stuff in a row. So yeah, he's Um, taken to court and I think they tell him that he's gonna like it's like a forcible retirement less than honorable discharge He won't have any ranks or benefits in retirement. Yeah, no retirement No, nothing none of that nothing because he killed a terrorist in a combat situation Do you guys remember what I thought they might have been trying to do in this scene? Like or what I thought that they might have been trying to do for for walker at this point Do you remember well you you referring to when he says you made me come by that stuff Right.  I was wondering if that was what they were going to do That is quite the subject to broach in such little time Like it's like That's not really Approached at all because for one thing. We've never even seen these characters speak before You know like outside of like an introduction So that's the story and so it's just like to throw that in in this scene as a theoretical sort of interpretation To me is just like lame. It's like you got to work a little harder than that Um So, you know try and make your point clear with it because especially with all the stuff We've been over about how much sense it doesn't make Like um at least give us a reason to understand why the this lot of board members would have made this decision But no So, yeah, uh walker also I feel like the more interesting scene would have been whatever Private debriefing meeting they had instead of this public hearing where they clearly already made up their minds Like this can't be the only meeting they've had about it with him, right?  Uh, torres describes this in the scene He walks in on is that this whole operation is over because he killed a foreign national That's how it's framed What country was this for now? I thought they weren't like part of a country or something. Well This is the thing the best interpretation you could possibly have in terms of the it's like he was there unsanctioned or you know non-contracted from the grc and he killed a person who was a national of A cut tree but it's like, oh wow you've you've really taken every last piece of context away, haven't you? There's nothing left. Good job Uh absurd Man when he says hey, you know the dorma larger nearly killed me And then what are they gonna be like?    Yeah, and then uh val I don't really care to talk about it that much. She's not going to be relevant until whatever the next thing she's doing Marvel projects. Yeah, she's like, I'm gonna hire you and he's like, okay, which isn't really relevant to he gets He goes to lemar's parents He tells them that the person who killed lemar was killed in that in the the one he killed and um Because again the dialogue's not particularly good They basically say something like, you know as sad as all this is at least the person who ended his life Got what they deserved and that's great that that person that did that is dead now.  He's got to kill carly and that's going to be important for a choice he makes later which It's something and he makes his own shield. That's um, that's it for his storyline In this episode, um, the flag smashes They return to the area that has just been cleared out by the grc To see where everybody's at It is absurd.  It's like that that is. Yeah That's literally what they did. That's why you came back here.  It's like Possibly be saying this.  Well, you just want to be like, when will you stop beating people alive? I don't know These are questions. We just want to have ads now. I feel like this Needs to be a little bit of a give and take here, you know It may be compromised. Maybe stop the killing of people and then we'll see you about that Oh Then we have the the whole The scene where uh, isaias says no self-respecting black man would ever be captain america and they would never accept a black captain america Yay. Yay. Yay There's a bazillion things that go against this I love I love and by love.  I I don't know why Well, it's insane. Look isaias has his reasons.  You're just embarrassed on behalf of the people who wrote this, uh So, yeah, um, he's like I think he just tells him the whole history.  It's such a such a pace Then we get the whole the boat gets fixed. Woohoo. We can skip all the way over to when Oh, yeah, Sharon's the power broker again.  I think people want us to mention. I'm patriot by the way. Yes. I we've we've got over I am patriot I'm patriot as Iron Man 3. It's when the government made their own little superhero with rhodi That would installs and stripes called the iron patriot The show kind of wants to ignore that. Okay, that gets in the way because I want to ignore all the history of this universe while creating brand new history Yeah, we'll say how bad america is and how much they hate black people The social commentary comes first before world building before characters before continuity Literary comes before everything um The funny thing is the the the discussion online.  It's the the moniker of captain america That is like entirely different from iron patriot Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. So You you don't think about that Somebody left me somebody left me a comment saying well now it's the iron patriot's not the same as captain america Prop because iron patriot uses like mindless propaganda.  Captain america The most propagandist of all the MCU heroes this is origin Uh, but whatever where I was going with this was that was only episode five was out Right, so that's all they had to work with was arguing. It's not about like the stars and stripes It's about the name captain america being attached to a black person. It's not iron Nothing like that and then literally in his speech in episode six. He's like i'm a black man in stars and stripes. It's like, oh I guess it's more about the stars and stripes And they really did forget iron patriot, which I don't blame them Everyone likes to forget iron man three to seven degree, but you can't it's part of the history um Wasn't the president locked inside the iron patriot suit at one point as well Yep, rody saved his life Yeah, this is the air force one speaking of presidents You know, I'm going with that Speaking of precedents doesn't the show doesn't care about any precedents that's been set Uh, more so is gunning for obama. Mr. Uh, isiah. Do you know about obama? Well, I guess obama doesn't exist in the mcu Maybe not Maybe not well right because iron man three set in 2013 and Well, because obama's been president basically since the mcu began Oh, someone wanted me to mention don't forget iron patriot was also given the job of personally protecting the president That's yeah Again history doesn't matter sorry show you've got no legs to stand on you're done This is like you're desperate, but you can't go and make your own little indie movie about all this bullshit You can't do it in the mcu Well captain america four Yeah Yeah, the same writer the same guy responsible for this sewage is going to be doing captain america four Yay yay Um, so that's the the falcon side of it.  Nakajima's son died and he'd really like to know why he died He says that explicitly and then falcon's like hey I wonder if there's someone in that book like a name like a person Who could be made to feel a bit better? Maybe could be made to feel as though they have closure with information you have I don't know.  It's like wait nakajima I figured it out I know Oh, look, we're in cooperation And then The one thing they could do to claw it back is like to have that scene be very very Meaningful at least like two or three minutes. Please do a mic flanigan. Give me a monologue. Please It's like Hey, I killed you son. That wasn't really mean though. I was like forced to why'd you do it? I wouldn't even mind if they use the same piano music. God. Okay. Yeah, go for it Um, yeah, he's like killed him. Why'd you do it? Oh, I didn't do it on purpose. I was forced to it was really sad I'm sorry. Oh man.  Bye That's it and uh bucky's ark is complete What a joke Yep And yeah, um, and then so during the scene falcon tosses the uh, the shield four times very very accurately including bouncing between like Three trees before heading back to the exact point you wanted it to I was hoping you'd bring that up. So that's pretty neat, huh? Well before we get to the thing that you know, I'm getting to um, isn't it weird that everyone can use the shield perfectly? That's weird. Yeah The shield is basically magic at this point. It's just magic I thought the canonical reason for cap is that he's a perfect shot because of the serum. Yep. That's what I thought That's what I assumed. Yeah, because that was the only thing that even begins to approach making sense in some way Um, yeah, you can anybody can just throw it and it's perfect. It bounces off things perfectly and comes back and you can catch it It's perfect until you need to do the unironic training montage so What's really funny is I think we talked about this when I was watching it with you guys But I was like, do you think initially his montage was supposed to be before this conversation or something like that? I'm thinking maybe yeah And they moved it around maybe this was the end of the montage like the montage happens and then this scene happens Always where he's out here wrapping up his training and bucky shows up.  Yeah, I think we're the baddies. I mean Yeah, I mean the scene where I mean the scene where uh, bucky's apologizing for his whiteness does seem a bit out of place The weight is so I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't And yeah, the probably it probably is like the end of the montage or something because it just seems out of place It would just seemed really like a dumbass move you have him nail it over and over and over again But then the montage begins with him just doing simple throws and failing Look look at this Look at this throw. It's just like what are you doing?  What's happening? Yeah, so to address it probably it's so inept.  I don't know We have the so the collection of scenes involve him throwing the shield and it either bouncing wrong or him failing to catch it Yeah, I'm running gradually him running and getting tired from running, right? We're talking about all of the initial starts him doing press-ups and sweating a whole bunch being like, whoo Yeah, these these push-ups are hard And then by the time we get to the end he's he's running real good. No stops.  What were you thinking? This is so embarrassing It's Parityed like 50 years Southpawg was parodying this in the early 2000s What are you doing? Also weird as well as when this started up and we were all sort of laughing at it When we were first watching this I'm pretty sure I was like, wait, isn't this just standard training for him? Wouldn't he need to do all of these other things anyway because he's falcon like what it's like Oh, he's he's doing a lot of jogging now. It's like what what why wouldn't he do that anyway? Why why is that special like what? Now he's back in the fight It's just a huge because he doesn't need a training montage. He's already pretty good at fighting people. Yep Yeah, and the plot takes care of the rest I just love that he goes from throwing the shield so perfectly to like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing Oh, no, I'm throwing it all kinds of crazy things That's so embarrassing Always fade out in a montage. Wait, does this fade out? It feels like my time has passed Actually now I've had a thought so how long is it safe to assume that it's been since carly escaped and decided to go to new york Uh, well, so there's a whole gap here That's pretty big and we can do whatever we want with it because of the stupid montage Like you whatever time you needed to pass has passed basically But like surely it would take more than a week to get really good at throwing that thing Oh, well, no, because it's actually quite simple. He's this is the problem Every remember walker was just tossing around with ease already too. Like Well, but I guess it's oh, yeah, because how long did he get to spend training with that? How about time calling the donations couldn't have been very long could it A week less than a week probably like a few days Watching the shield fly through the air like it really is just flat out magic Yes It like goes up and it goes back down stays level and it goes back and it sticks to your arm and it It never loses velocity. It doesn't slow down over time I thought we had a deal with the the mcu that only cap could do it, but they lied to us They welched on the deal like it should have been just cap and any other serum people or I'll allow that too, but no How does the shield stick to his arm anyway?  I think it's sort of rags about this the the way you would try to make this work is like as it's coming towards you It's gonna like, hmm Maybe if you had attached to your forearm some kind of magnetic device that attaches to the inner part of the shield Meaning at any point in the spin it would be able to connect back and you'd have a pretty powerful magnet as well um, that's something if you have two straps That means the majority of the time you will not be able to grab that as it comes back Imagine if you caught that wrong and it jars your fingers that'd be hell I want to go to basketball the wrong way and that's swallow up my finger for two weeks Um, imagine if that thing hit you with your fingers or those fingers are covered off Several people are like, well, it's like they do that at age of ultra moolers like that's preference That's you got it. You got the joke. That's the joke. Oh my god Uh, I've have we talked about that before I'm not quite sure why they dropped it I felt that it actually made the shield a little bit more believable in terms of how it connects back. Um I don't know if there's anything else to say on that It's just like all right, then Um, you could even have kept the straps if you really want them just make it also mechan uh magnetic Oh, I haven't played basketball in years. This was oh man. Oh, I don't know if I want to tell the story It's still a little traumatic of how I jarred my finger on Christmas eve and then the next day. I've got a playstation 3 And so I have no idea where this story just came from, but you know what? Just somebody was asking about play basketball But no, all right I just felt like a non sequitur from a non sequitur to explain it Somebody in chat was like, oh a friggy plays basketball. I need to clarify that. I don't but yeah Fringy ruined his finger on Christmas. That is exactly what happened I was playing Little Big Planet, which I got for ps3 and my finger really hurt every time I hit down on r2 It was it was hell But I pushed through to play Little Big Planet because And so Fringy blew up a building with many people in it and he said the violence is the only thing these people understand I said no such thing Because he was very upset at what had happened to him and he was he was very angry and he felt like the g rc was responsible The g rc was responsible for me jarring my finger Basketball g rc plot six months ago. They said they would give me a new finger Dothan That gave me nothing.  He's just like hey, by the way all your weapons.  That seems dumb. It's like well because they needed a payoff They needed the payoff of who activated her phone message the thing and then everyone in the park stands up and starts moving to order That was the payoff they wanted so But they could have looked out a window and seen that no Yes, no stop it.   How are they this naive? How yeah, that's that's sort of what I meant earlier by like I don't understand what they are and aren't opposed to because she's already killed people at this point But like wait a minute we're working with criminals wait with a bank what? nonsense All right Which I think does that push us to the end all this left is sorry.    I mean, what do you want me to apologize for? I just don't think I should be judged for seeing that patch of grass and being like Invent a wheel or something. I mean come on But put my pigs on this bit of bit of grass like you colonizing the grass Well, I don't know. Nobody else is using it. It's like is it okay if no one else is using it? I hope so um So I don't think they would like captain america at all And then the idea that they like could you make a captain america suit and provide it to us? Yeah, that's what happened.  Why? You know how like you have this really badass suit Well, you had a really good one until you made one that could be disabled unlike that other one Which was just completely perfect the black panther Civil war suit is way better But you know, it would still be really useful. Imagine if the dora malage had black panther suits. It's over Yeah, they're already perfect That's true. It'd be perfect.  Um, I thought we talked about this earlier today fellas Yeah, I guess they might have missed that part So, uh, the new super bright Terrible-looking falcon captain america suit that's made of vibranium well The wings obviously we all agree the wings are right. I don't think there's any trouble there Which is already enough for me to be critical of the crazy people at wakanda that they would give that much titanium A vibranium suit like stuff to a randy instead of their own people. That is insane Um, and it just wouldn't happen It was just an excuse for them to get a new suit because they had no other way of justifying it as for whether or not the suit itself well We'll get to that actually it's going to be relevant in episode six that we're heading to right now The only other thing to say is that they gave falcon a suit that was activated by his thumbprint. How do they have that? Oh, dude, imagine, but well, here's something that they have jurisdiction in his house and they snuck in Here's something to think about I don't know if I was if I was uh, sam, but I would just trust them. What if they put like a failsafe in my suit? Well, they probably did but it's better. I suppose you would wear it rather than not, right? Oh, sure, but I mean like what if I was flying and they're like It's like and then disabled the wings Well, it's the door of melange. They can be trusted.  Well, it's like unfortunately his suit might be like bucky's arm where if it just gets like touched the wrong way It just falls off Seems like a bit of an oversight, but all right No, they poked it in a really specific way. Okay, right? Nobody's ever figured out if you just touch it. It just comes off So this episode is really bad. Um, I thought I'd make that clear just in case there was any assumption as to otherwise Um, and it just again because the show can't control itself. It goes. It's really bad immediately. So the setup I suppose Is that the building where the grc are like Headquarters are they're voting on the patch Bill or policy and whatever and that's going to do the thing with the borders The the flag of smashers hate that they're like, oh, that's real bad But their plan and this is genius by the way Their plan is to kidnap all of the grc board members and hold them hostage and say hey Don't do the patch thing.  In fact, that's probably not going to make people be like, oh, yeah, okay. We will vote no give them back Okay, now vote yes Um, and if not, you'll just be like wait, are you guys just going to hold on to these people and demand that we do anything You demand publicly You're like really bad people I just want you to know that And the whole world is going to be against you. This is not a thing you get away with Like threatening innocent people's lives And like phoning the government being like enact this policy, please.  All right, and do it Oh, so they do all those things and you just label them a terrorist. I know crazy absolutely nuts Wow, just because they use violence Political means what a will that we are in So that's going on at the same time falcon bucky And walker Are all heading to this area because they have in different ways figured out that this is where all the shit's going to go down It's funny.  You've done your montage. You've talked to your family It's time for the end I can't remember. I think walker just shows up. And so the first question that's on everyone's minds is when all this chaos is taking place Can you think of any new york-based superheroes that would be invested in possibly helping? And uh, for those wondering this takes place two months before far from home Mm-hmm. So he is in new york city doing stuff Fortunately, maybe he's sleeping I just get sleep He's on a school trip again. Mm-hmm Someone said roadie. That's a good shout as well You think rodeo got involved Uh, dog. The strange thing that rodeo would be very well. Oh, yeah, dr. Strange. Well, maybe oh, I have no one What about the police? No No, no, no, no, no What about the crows? Are the crows here? Are the crows? Well, honestly, you know what I trust the crows over some of these guys.   Sorry guys. No spooderman even though totally would be a spooderman with no spooderman And yeah, I guess That's about it for all of the players We've got the grc Like I said board members and then there's the the police the nypd are mainly Around feel like as a force for you know trying to stop the evil people Unfortunately the flag smashes have infiltrated. There's a whole bunch of them that are posing as nypd And I'm not even 100% clear on how they managed to do that, but they did that um And the episode opens because I was I was gonna mention another player, but I was like no no I'll let her introduce herself so Bucky's walking into the the place he needs to go and this guy right here is like hey You're supposed to be here and then Bucky's like, huh? Shins around Um, I'm gonna have to pause and copy right even it's a glitch vlc help me out And so immediately takes off her mask and covering to reveal its Sharon Carter That is so question Lot of questions If you have a disguise in order to prevent yourself from being captured as you are wanted still in america Why would you take it off?  We talked about this earlier But if you have this tech, you're not a fugitive.   No one here is looking for me Wait It's such a confused. It's like, wait, wait, wait, why were you wearing it?    It's gonna be fine.  It's fine. It's fine.  Can you just make something happen? That's normal Thank you Um, so they gas the room that all of the board members are in and the idea is to essentially get them to Evacuate into vehicles That's what they want but um It's kind of weird. This escape plane is bizarre. It's kind of weird like this. There's a flag smash that turns up Uh before they even do all of that And falcon knocks him out It's like wait, what was that flag smash is supposed to be doing because if the plan is to get them into the vehicles Then all you're doing is just getting in the way, right? Yeah, oh no I don't know why he's there, but it's like well falcon gets to beat him up. You're like, yeah I guess that's why he was there And so yeah, the evacuation plan begins unfortunately for falcon Batrock is here and attacks him as we get to mini boss fight and the reason this is happening is because we needed to Delay the shit out of falcon before he can prevent the rest of the episode from happening Um, you need you need the helicopter chase and you can only have that if the helicopter gets out because he has no Reason to fight batrock. He can just leave he could just fly away at any time But he chooses to fight. You know what else is pretty dumb. Evan is He's just a guy, right?  He wanted you wanted to fight him.   So maybe he can That's a kick really good.  So they're all heading down the stairs and they're gonna get into vehicles That's the plan now Sharon and uh Bucky as they were walking into the The complex they go they're like, oh no and there's this implication that they sort of realize like oh the evacuation's already started I guess it's like oh And bucky like I said, I don't know I almost want to watch it in slow motion like the whole episode because I'm really not sure what they're trying to tell me Bucky is like well, that's one of them And we we get to look at the big dude of the flag smashes.  I'm like I feel like I'm missing information because bucky just points to him He's like, yep, that's one of them I guess he recognizes him from when they've had interactions in some way shape or form before But we've never seen this guy before Well, we've seen him before but I don't think we've ever seen him in any of the action scenes He's never been he's never interacted with bucky in any way as far as I'm aware But yeah bucky's just like yep, that's one of them.  I'm like what what in the world? What is everyone doing? Where is everyone going? and so The best I can come up with is bucky was like I'm going to go down one set of staircase You go down the other one with the fat guy, okay, and then we'll meet at the bottom But it's like why would you do that? Well, it would be the reason for that at all But then of course he gets distracted by being called by carly How would that distract you? Why would you even accept the call? Try to save people's lives And you're also really cool about mobile phones is you can walk while talking on him. He doesn't do that though I don't I don't think that's true I Failed to trust you. I know what a lie is moller It's very confusing all of this is right and and it's so funny as well the way he gets the call Some woman just walks up to him goes. It's carly Oh, so are you a flex?  Yeah, like are you evil? He doesn't care He's just like oh, thanks for the phone.  And yeah, picking up by dropping off So remember This job is protect the people that are about to be killed Oh, by the way, you can have a chat with carly if you want No Protect the people bucky.  Look at him. He's just casually walking around like Yeah, yeah, how you doing? Like you should be rushing but okay And then the line that I think blew up a couple of people's brains when she says to bucky to bucky bonds Have you ever fought for something that's more than just for yourself? Good god, there's so many examples and it's just like wow Why would you say this to him? She's so naive it's just it's like her defining characteristic It's just like I wish he would just be like like you're really young. Do you know what world war two is? Have you ever heard of that? Have you ever seen any memes that talk about hitler? Oh Absolutely horrible to listen to like why did they do this?  I think that's fair Sharon on the other hand She's very much invested in defeating the flag smashes So she follows chungus down and she watches as he attaches the locks to the vans and does nothing When everybody in this area is actually grc friendly except the chungus Yeah, and they're just right there. Yep. I mean this this plan doesn't work if one of them Just like sees him. Yep Like it's crazy.   He'd be all flashy and gross Imagine if like somebody else did the locks. They're like, no, I got this buddy I guess that's it for your plan Dude, I like the idea that you're like, I'll do it. He just looks you with a frown. You're like, I'll do it Stop it. Go away.   You missed all of this I was like, you didn't do anything. You were here. You just watched it all happen And he doesn't question that by the way. He's like, yeah, sorry. I missed it But what was the plan you were gonna both be there and then do stuff? It's like, oh Frustrating to watch Yeah, she melts fat man and bucky races on out after the uh the armored trucks I think we just uh, oh, yeah for people wondering here is show the melting It was weird man when I saw this I didn't even know how to how to feel Yeah, I I thought it was a tracking device at first I wouldn't have guessed it was an acid gas bomb. It's weird that I I almost would have accepted a bomb before watching him melt Yeah, it's like it's like the shamblers from The Last of Us 2 where it's like, ah, it's like melting the skin It's like damn Sharon. It's yeah, holy crap And what's interesting right is I thought it might have been an opportunity to show that she's Ooh, she's she's a bit, you know, and and we should be careful that this is not the Sharon Carter that we know And she says I took care of one of them and falcon says how And I was like, ah see she can lie. She didn't melt him. She did blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, whatever She she knocked him out, but she goes no she explains. It's like I use the gas. That's like an acid. She's dead.     He thinks that the best way to stop the shield is to kick a chair at it I like this whole why didn't you just move out of the way? It wouldn't look as cool to kick a chair at the I'm dodging I have eye frames It can cherish it. I'm like see if it can kill Wait, I just realized just The chair's not there in the in what he rolls. You see the chair's not there And then it just is Oh The universe can sense that what he needs was a chair He spawned a chair because he needed one John they're like, wait, what does he do now? He's dead. Oh, no chair If you believe you will have everything It's suddenly a chair appears It's one of those middle school assembly chairs You can take it to all of your outdoor and indoor meetings. I want to see captain chair the man who throws chairs He runs around and throws chairs at people Dude That right angle of his legs.  Okay, you have to reach that level. Oh such incredible talent Um, and yeah, it's only once you watch it enough times that you realize it's a magic chair. It's pretty cool. I will say Who knew that they had magic? What else are they hoarding here at this place? They're hoarding food and magic chairs. Isn't it just it looks like there's a can on the floor You see that where the magic chair will be. Do you think it's a pokeball and it's going to release the chair? Do you think that's a marker that they left for knowing where the chair's supposed to be where the chair will be? What is that ball? It's the pokeball that the chair's spawned out of it's like Oh my god, was he trying to summon what he was trying to summon chair is odd. Yeah Now see the look at the ball there look at the ball Is that a marker for his foot where his foot needs to be?  Now I want to watch the episode to see if the ball is This ball Pull it out because you don't use like balls for actors marks. He used tape on the ground. Yeah But also the ball is in both shots. It's in the shot where there's no Why would you not just have the chair there? Yeah, did they forget? They're like, you see I ask all the time. Why didn't they just do this thing and and yet? So I don't what is that ball and why was his foot so close to it?   Oh, it might have maybe It held secret magic about how to I don't know turn everything What is the power stone in there? Oh, maybe it is. Yeah, maybe that was where uh that was where hulk returned it. Oh wait. No, it was steve returned it I really do love the idea the universe sported with chairs like quickly.  Someone said marvel quips. It's like if we really got to that point now We're just like that's just marvel's attempt at humor. They're like, oh, yeah, you're french fucker And listen, I'm all for making fun of the french But at least be clever about it. Please. Yeah Uh, so next point of interest, um, the helicopter has just gotten off the helipad when falcon's arriving And so he's like, ah, I'll show falcon by nose diving um If you're gonna nose dive in a helicopter, right?  It's like Nah You crash that. Sorry. I don't believe that. Yeah Um gravity is going to love you in that moment. It's like, yeah, come down, buddy Right down and then the helicopter's like, actually I don't want to crash gravity's like, yeah, that's nice Going down down down down This helicopter thing lasts way longer than it should and it's really awkward because basically he's trying to find a way To get rid of the pilot while saving all of the people in the helicopter because they're hostages. It's like, hmm I have no idea. Um an nypd helicopter gets caught in the fray and before it can crash He has red wing blast open the door attach a wire to the pilot and pull him out straight away to safety He's like, oh Why don't you do that with a terrorist? Yeah, I All right Maybe he was maybe he only had one it was like That would he Hmm Oh, he does the stupid thing from episode one at least they keep it in character His first decision with the helicopter is to climb onto it and poke his head into the cockpit Just like it seems dumb because of the deadly spinning blades But also that there is a terrorist in there with a gun and he ends up trying to shoot him. It's like, ah, damn it I What what are the odds? I thought poking my head into the cockpit was just the way forward, but no Uh, it doesn't quite work out. So he gets shot at and he's like, oh, jeez Uh, and then he gets hit by the wings of the helicopter and almost dragged into the water because again falcons very incompetent and we have to extend this fight for as long as possible because This episode has to have loads of action in it. It's really It's the finale Yeah And so for anybody who may have thought well, you wouldn't want to pull the pilot out because then nobody could pilot Right away. He has everyone in the in the area scanned for who is a pilot and it turns out one of the hostages is a pilot so Yeah, just you just have this has that tech Scan for who's a pilot? Scan their faces for pilot licenses. Honestly, it's worse than that. Do they have a look of a pilot on it? Do they look like a wingman a top gun? Oh, you can't say wingman. That's offensive. That's offensive It's honestly worse than that. He can basically like scan her for all of her details at will like oh That's not good. Hmm. I don't know. I like you could do that falcon. He's like, no, it's okay. I'm a hero I'm not so sure you are a hero Doja ding dongs they think they're heroes Get away with it Hey, that's the most respect they deserve I would say Yeah, we're more so already provided than they should have So, yeah, um, it pulls up Like a crazy amount of photo album including pictures of her when she's like a kid Can you not that's really weird. It is really weird. Oh, it's like what insight was doing in Winter Soldier It's like How much information does he have access to it's like it focuses on the the military ones. It's like Yeah, I guess you search for her being a pilot, but like what do you have access to buddy? Oh, look at what it says up there passing personnel I don't know if that says insert But um using the philippine air force personnel file matching search criteria VRF vfr qualification wing Yeah, just find out everything you want nationality consultant diplomat advisor aviation safety officer course This feels weird Yeah, he's served active duty as a captain from 89 to 93 She was a reserve lieutenant colonel. He like cool I guess I know all of this about you now I bet if Walker had this tech he'd be maligned as a villain, but All right, what I do like is just his face and I feel like this would be her reaction to all of this happening No one kind of tells no I use Imagine he wanted to come across as normal and he just contacts and goes so Are you like a pilot? Like I'm just asking a random question. I I just need to know if anyone is a pilot It's not that I've searched all of your private information or anything. Well You know what I needed it to save the day seriously. Yeah, you just sounded really pilot. You seemed really piloty I just knew you had to be the one I'm from the air force.  It's like, oh my god, the implications of this and it's like no no fine It's fine Don't think about it. We just do It's like, yeah, you probably shouldn't have just you should have done this at all Maybe you should have had a falcon go. Oh, I know here. She's blah blah blah.  No, it's not Yeah, it's even crazier than that Because he's a weirdo, uh You have to make it epic and different stuff But um, yeah, we get this moment. We've kind of talked about it before but it's the first time We basically all of them are like, oh carly's insane. We made a huge mistake following her.  It's really weird and uh, she just goes one willed One willed dot a dot one willed they're like One people Um, and yeah, I think that scene would have been way better if it had meant as a setup for the fact that they were going to actually turn on it But they just don't they just commit to be evil Bit weird, which makes me wonder what the point of that scene was To let like I said, uh, I can't remember if you were here or not But I was just like was that just their way of trying to signal to the audience that yes The show is condemning her actions. We do think she's a bit of a weirdo. We've had her Oh horse even judge it. Okay Like oh, okay. Well, it's weird because there's several scenes like that. Some are more subtle than others But it's like they keep doing that thing. So it's like It feels like set up for a payoff, but it's all just set up. So it's like, oh We're gonna get any resolution. I guess not And you kind of you could feel a little bit bad of the fact that they're blown up But it's just like well, you guys kind of committed to being evil You kind of it's like you're worse than carly because you saw that it was evil But then you did it anyway. Anyway, like you didn't even really believe in it, but you just still did Yeah, finalists. Um, then comes this legendary bit. I guess I'll just play it and uh Well, see what everyone thinks boom opinions Sorry say that one more time Uh, I'm playing this Oh Oh, yeah, oh we were talking about this sir.  Yep So cutting out the people at risk, which is great. Yeah, love it Well, I shouldn't have to say but good thing. He was right underneath the crash zone Oh, well, this is the thing. Let's let's do a bit of breaky downy here. So, um, they're surrounded by water There's this one bit of bridge how unfortunate that it crashed onto the bridge specifically onto falcon of all things It's not very good. I love how the spotlight hits him perfectly. He's an angel So This is going to be relevant in a little bit later too But for now we need to understand how this suit works if you've got a backpack And then it curls around to the ground with the front of the wings Uh, the distribution of the force that's going to come down on you Going to be in four major parts. I would imagine being the two wings on your two feet Um, well, maybe you'll back because it's going to drive the pack down Uh, but that's that's kind of where it's going to be distributed.  Yeah Instead of crumpling all around after plummeting from the sky How much does a helicopter weight we got we got plenty of people in chat already I almost want chat to figure this one out for themselves. Many people are saying it's vibranium wings now chat I expect you to fight back against chat for saying that there's plenty of smart people in there. Come on now Yes, do it. We shouldn't have to handhold you through every one of these floors. All right. That's terrible I want you to use your brains Like we told you like we've like we've been like we've been teaching you Uh What we got here logic is not your friend.  He has chair legs Aluminium helicopter rhodi was covered in vibranium. Oh, well, no, he wasn't rhodi Like a chair into the helicopter the bridge should have been obliterated by now Iman got knocked down by cars Seems that we got scattered thoughts here so He had his jet pack on Off camera and he was using the lift to soften the blow Oh, it's not gonna do much of anything.  Um, so When you make a dome, right all the weight is going to be distributed around that dome This is not a dome. This is two wings curling around So how the force works when it comes down Is a little bit more complicated They'd like you to believe it's like a dome You see it comes down on force here And so it's going to spread out and it's going to crush anything in between it once it hits the solid spots Which would be all the concrete, right? It's gonna be where it where it breaks and so anything in between is going to have You know that what's it called something's got to give that's the that's the saying The which thing gives well its reaction gives an equal and ups, you know Yeah You don't think about that whenever somebody throws the shield And it makes the person it hits fly back, but the person who threw it's okay. Just don't think about it Don't think about that. Yeah, so don't think about that one wing comes around and