series I know thank you thank you thank you we are back with episode three and what are we doing in episode three well actually I was thinking about maybe changing this but I'm not going to we're gonna keep the Archelons still are there any Archelons on the rocks no the rock okay I don't know why this is the case but they ain't they ain't doing anything they are all able to eat fish which is great I will we got a we got a social animation here oh no oh god oh god they're all inside each other's weird not on YouTube please save it for later oh that looks cute that's cool actually with all the fish going uh not all in one space like all one never like that that looked nice that looked kind of I don't know what you could call almost natural anyway I'm recording this video before setting the episode to live just because I had some inspiration I kind of wanted to give it a shot and I haven't had the chance to put that one live so in the next video probably nickname the basilisaur and we'll also nickname the the dinosaurs that we're going to star creatures aquatic creatures so let's have a look at this beautiful place with what changes I've made basically no we put a large gift shop a cafe and a restaurant and we've sort of you know made it a little bit aesthetic I was about to just add some decorations you spruce up the place add little bits of joy here and there as well as my new favorite thing which is just adding the the fence and then the hedge fence just in front of it so it really gives that feel of you're not enclosed and it's also is quite nice that way this is going to lead into another section I'm not too sure what we're going to do with this I can see massive redwoods even though this sort of whole playthrough or park I want to focus more on lagoon creatures we do want to still have some of the dinosaurs and this might be a walkthrough area something like that but I've also included this because as you know we're making a functioning park you kind of want to make it realistic in a way you know normal parks have areas where guests aren't allowed to go and this is one of those utility places so if we go just through here yep you go into here and this will take you to the hatchery it also extends a little bit further I love this I love this I don't know if it's a mod or what but it is glorious because it really does just look as if it's a it's a gate that you know people you can close it if you want to which is always very nice apart from that I haven't really done any changes in here or run straight through you didn't look at you so good look at that face it's beautiful is a single beauty still really happy these are still working and the fact that it blends in completely with the lagoon walls is an added step of perfection dear this again I haven't added anything oh look we got person up here well that's interesting do we actually have people here far from this guy who stole my D but anyway we're not here for that no no no we're here to go to the next enclosure and that is not that what it's over here it's this one welcome to well I mean it it will be when it's finished this is going to be home to a prehistoric predator now we'll have a quick check underwater I mean they're all predators right or piscophores whatever you want to call them so what we decided to do what I've decided to do actually get rid of the lagoon walls by placing well you'll see in a second the rocks that the turtles and the Nothosaur are able to use which is very interesting also I'm just wondering if they all have so there you go this that's the view you'll get from inside the monorail as you exit and enter of course we'll add the what you call it zip lines that's it we'll have the zip lines for the entrance and the exits to give it that extra pizazz but how do you do it how do you make such an amazing thing happen well I will show you also I've just had a massive idea about this place because we want to make this don't colostius cabin that's what I'm thinking and we're gonna allow light to come through in these pool areas so if you look up there's a lot of rocks and you can't really see any bits for light to get in except for in the massive holes there would be cool to block this all up however I don't know I kind of like that there is some gaps of course this isn't all done because there's all of this surface that you can see here and you know we'll speed build all of that jazz but I'm thinking what we do is you actually add the great white shark into one of these holes allowing you know the don't colostius to perform its amazing animation it'd be such a shame if we put the creature in here and then you didn't see it do its amazing animation so that monorail people will see the don't colostius swim up and then jump dive whatever you want to call it back down and eat the shark I'm really not too sure if we're gonna actually make this viewable we'll have a look first I'll show you how I managed to make this amazing thing so of course it is impossible to have done this vanilla no we needed some extra help oh I see okay well that's good just like the the ziplines when you move it a little piece gets left behind it's the same with these guys so that's why I've had a lagoon over here to place the rocks because I thought they would stay there because I'd saved it closed it and reloaded it and it was still they were still there so in my head I'm thinking okay well these aren't like the the ziplines that they're just gonna have to stay however that appears to not be the case as you can see here they're all normal what we'll do is we'll go into here no we don't want to move it want to go into advance settings yes so we rotate it and then this is where we see the issue so once I rotate it you'll notice a big chunk is gone where that chunk go well it's actually right there you can see it isn't moving and that's part of the problem so we're just gonna rotate this and this is gonna act as a mask in order to hide the terrible terrible boring incredibly boring lagoon wall dear and now that should have completely covered there might be a few gaps no there you go I mean the thing is it does look very smooth at the moment and it can't really be helped working with what we've got here unless I want to make another 2,000 rocks and slowly and very laboriously meticulously very boring move all the rocks into place then I think this is the best way we're gonna do we could put some rocks on the floor just to cover up the sea my suppose and that might help so now my next job is to make even more rocks move them all together and then cover up what remains of the surface of this area but before I do that what I do I do do do do want to do is actually add se shark and see where I can even put it there you go beautiful we're gonna put a shark here there you go so now we've got our open bit of water so we want to keep this bit open so that the dunkelostius will keep this bit just because why not it's a little bit too small I really don't know how dunkelostius eats it's quite a long animation I think so it sort of comes out and then comes down doesn't go up and down straight away basilis so does that the mosasaur does that but I don't think uh dunkelostius is one of those creatures that just goes up and down I think it sort of takes a run up get it and then comes down so we are going to need the space to left and right of it or else it might just clip into this so what I will do actually is I will delete this and we'll make another one or we could just move this one so my method for building this parts of the water that was the most open and then slowly okay we have added a great ton of running water I don't know how many rocks does it show you no no probably for the best however let's just spruce this up a teeny tiny bit with some nice trees I don't really know what would sort of grow here and imagine maybe something very tropical we'll put in like palm trees here and there need some big ones I mean they'll do they're like in a pot a plant pot and actually elevates them a little bit if we just block out the plant pot inside a rock it looks great good job I can still hear that monorail coming through so that's good that that's still working I'm glad about that around where there are normally trees just to show that you know there is some soil there something has taken root and other things are able to grow there too there you go and that it just kind of spruces it up a little bit makes it feel a little bit more alive but I wonder how this looks under the water shall we have a look let's find that shark and dive in yes and here it is the beautiful murky darkness of the cavern oh that looks fantastic heck yeah we should light up the monorail I think that's that's definitely something we need to do the only issue I think we're gonna have is that the dunkel osteos is gonna clip through a lot of the rocks because I don't know I see a lot of sea creatures go near the surface and I don't think he's gonna realize that these are you know I think it's just gonna clip through them because they've been moved I could be wrong I don't know anyway let's add the zip lines my best way is to do that just move the zip line along the monorail track whereabouts I think it'll be and then oh we're gonna have it go in oh is it coming ah there it is okay it's a little bit too low so I'll move you up a little bit like so and then if we can get you exactly in the middle perfect and there we go that's the entrance or exit let's do the other one at least there'll be something like that and then a little bit that way and then hey yeah yeah oh almost got that perfect there I think it's only one way to find out that's the wait for the monorail let's get you oh you do clip it okay there you go now you're good now you're beautiful right entrance and exit done now because this is a cavern I'm thinking we spruce this up with something that would only be in a cavern how about a sunken ship yes what about another sunken ship more precisely the drastic park three sunken ship maybe some corals could work corals look nice yes who doesn't like a little bit of coral I mean they all look pretty much the same let's be honest doesn't matter how much we try and spruce this up there we go we're looking good looking good you know we don't really have much going on for ourselves when it comes to decorations here but I'm making the best with what we've got I feel like I'm in a race against time to make this park as quickly and as fast as possible because it's both the same thing isn't it really uh just because I don't know when another update will come and it'll break everything so it seems it does feel always that there's a little bit of a race against time oh that looks good yeah let's light up the entrance heck yeah but I could place them on the uh on that does it do any difference if I if I light up the monorail uh it's too far away damn it if it was lower to the ground possibly possibly but we've come way too far now to lower the monorail okay there we go let's have a look so this is as much as I could light up really and oh my god you can really see it look at all the weird shadows it's casting because there's so many lights in here you know what that kind of adds to the feel like a volcanic feel to this place it's murky it's dark it's maybe a little bit smoky bubbly in some places but wow now if we can get some sort of uh lowering stand to view this as well that would be fantastic we might have to take out two of these things just to get that but that would be really cool okay okay right uh oh god yeah we might have to leave one so lowest down show of view let's have a look I'm assuming it's just going to be all wrong and yeah yeah I mean I thought as much we could have that now let's have a look show of view oh yes doing some weird thing with the glare I think that's because we got the sun behind us and that's the way it's facing although we did shut we got this whole thing it's all submerged we shouldn't be able to uh yeah look at that you see the monorails go through as well wow that looks so cool but would it look better on the other side because then we wouldn't have the sun but what's going on why can't I see anything and boom oh oh hello floating rock I don't know what you're doing this one here was definitely causing a little bit of an issue so I'll move you up and now we should be able to see a lot better let's have a lot of show no no no no no no no yeah okay it's not happy with me adding stuff because it's already things there but if we add it over there move it over here now I should be able to add stuff I guess we could put two we could put one on that corner and then one on the opposite corner as well so I'll place another one of those move it to the other corner and then I'll just see how much of a difference that's really made under the water have a look uh yeah yeah the walls have came through now because it's it does that with lagoons you know as soon as oh massive shawls of it as soon as you put something on the corner it makes it diagonal rather than curved so that's a bit of a bugger gonna have to go and fix that but look oh it started living up starting at shawls officially now whoop whoop that fixed how about this wall this wall good yep fix that wall that's fantastic and the opposite wall yeah you know what that little bit i'm fine with that it's a little look for me to hide in be like oh look at this that'd be so good if at the end we could make some sort of closed circuit camera system where we just flick through a bit you know like streaming if we have like a loading screen you know or anything like that like tea break we just have bits like this where you just see cameras from around the park it'd be like lagoon cam or not lagoon cam cavern cam yes it's brilliant and now all we're missing is the star of the show a dogalostius i'm wondering if one or two is okay in here i feel like two is a push you need probably one lagoon square per one possibly even two lagoon squares per one i would say but look at that oh it's so good it's so exciting when i see that monorail and like a little kid oh drain anyway i'm not having random skins when i spent all this time making this enclosure this has been ages the hell why do i have so many random dinosaurs this is amazing though where's dunkalostius ddd dunkelbunkle where's dunkelbunkle there's dunkelbunkle oh never mind this is this is the great white shark yep nope this one i just want yukon river and blank pattern yep yukon river blank pattern that's it that's the that's the great white shark hell yeah you know what it is i don't really like the patterns for dunkalostius i feel as though this is a creature that probably wouldn't have random patterns on it so i think what i'm going to go for is just blank pattern quillian yukon and salvard maybe we'll have three i don't know i like those quillian yukon salvard let's go let's go oh of course yeah hell yeah we want this as well so that their requirements for space and stuff is nothing so maybe we can have to went to dunkalostius shoulder to shoulder and it'd be completely fine because my game saw a glitch i can't choose through or doesn't do randomize like favorite patterns so or at least if it is there it doesn't show up because my game's weirdly glitched anyway here we go releasing the first dunkalostius into the enclosure oh god please don't clip through the rocks too much i'd appreciate that thank you down it goes into the depths oh yeah there it is glorious look at you oh avoiding the monorail kind of the scratching your belly oh god i'm by the monorail i can't look uh oh forget you okay one's coming out one's coming please don't crash please don't crash i'm gonna release the other ones as well looked so cool though it looks so cool just yeah i'd rather you clip through than broke anything dude like just just do that i've spent so long on this don't have this waist look at that that looks so good there comes another one yes okay we need to give it a second though we need to give it a second my heart's in my mouth now okay there they are they do have social but look at this with the train going through like where are they oh my god it's above us in the rock maybe what we could do is lift up the rocks a little bit more so it gives them more space so they're not like this all the time because like i think i find it very rare the animals are at the bottom of the ocean that they're normally in this game anyway at the surface and because they are at the surface you can i mean quite clearly see that they just get lost in the rocks so it might be a case of just trying to lift them out as much as possible yeah there we go sort of coming down come down to the level yes yes beautiful oh look at you glorious ah chopping his tail fin yeah but you're kind of still in the rocks all right guys give me a second i've got a i've got a project on my hands man i've got a lift of so many rocks they will always clip through that's a thing they always will but if we can sort of try and keep that to a minimum i'll be happy having them down here is great this is beautiful but like i said they don't normally like to be down here they like to be exactly where the rocks are the problem might arise when i click on the duncalostius because that's what happened last time when i followed them so maybe i just don't want to do that there we go look at that oh that looks so cool in the depths beautiful oh it really sounds as well like the echoes and everything and there's the monorail flipping through some fish but beautiful wow it looks so good in here man it really does oh well i want to ride the monorail i want to be you know i want to see what the people see i want to be what are people love also this is a work in progress this is going to be the entrance to the duncalostius cabin and i haven't finished it yet we haven't even made an entrance or an exit i will do in a second i just want to check this out how does this look like can you see oh i can't see okay here we go oh well they got that king cock ah yeah there we go one two oh god we're gonna hit it go there's one a humble little entrance and we'll also open oh there's no power at the gate the gates need power it certainly is with that one the paths maybe obscured i guess we could run with that we could probably connect that path to something i suppose so it doesn't just look like it's there you don't really notice it like that i suppose when all of the gates fail me that one never does never fails me look at that straight in the eye the way it fades as well it looks it really looks legit i love it okay i will continue to sort of fix this place up you don't get it to look really good but until then guys oh wait what the shock and it didn't clip into the uh into the rocks hold on we need to see that again oh that looked so cool yes it works ah nothing better when everything sort of just works the way you meant it to the sharks above you fishy and in it goes oh i love how the monorail moves at exactly the same speed as my camera does that is odd you know what i'd rather have the dunk gloss just clip through the rocks than the alternative which is that they they break and the game constantly crashes it's definitely something happening here there it is yeah wouldn't you yep don't know why a bother thinking about your skins when you all look at this hey come on someone get the sharky someone eat it i love how they even give the dunk a lot just a noise it's a it's a fish but they give it this weird like uh like a grumble as if it has vocal cords it's crazy it can't be silent it needs to be able to communicate and act scary oh that looks like that i was like oh it's made that noise again oh gosh came through the camera oh that was beautiful though the fact you know you can even see through there because i've actually clipped it onto the wall this time because we only need one like the two people although we need to see the view through there that's what we need hold on hold on oh yeah you're in the glam version oh you do see something oh i went for it as well oh i love that that's brah amazing ah footage would hire me to design work on parks for them oh my i don't know anyway guys if you enjoyed this video leave a like again like i said in the next video hopefully we'll be able to name the basilis or at least i i'll try not to work on uh the fourth video before this was live so we can nickname the don't cost us as well but if you enjoyed this video guys leave a like until next time i'll see you guys later oh bye


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Pleased to be here, we're here with Stephanie Buscemi. Stephanie, hello, nice to see you. Hi, thank you. Stephanie is the group vice president of business analytics at SAP. And we're also joined by James Fisher. James, welcome. James is in the finance area. We're going to talk about EPM today. And as the vice president of that finance analytics, EPM, SAP had a big announcement today. So welcome to both of you. Thank you, thanks for having us. So we heard some real visionary comments this morning in the keynotes, what business is going to look like in the future? Five years out, 10 years out, maybe even 30 years out. And an underpinning of that, Stephanie, is going to be analytics, isn't it? Absolutely. Now, analytics has been around for a long time. It's nothing really new about analytics, but a lot has changed. So can you talk a little bit about what has changed in analytics from SAP's perspective? Absolutely. So analytics is a huge focus area of ours. And when we think about it, history over time, people have historically thought about analytics either from one end or another end.  People have said, oh, analytics equals business intelligence, or previously called decision support. It's about basic reporting. The other end of the spectrum that here's analytics thinks predictive analytics. They take it and think of it more in terms of statistical modeling about algorithms. And so what we're really focused on is recognizing that it's not one or the other, that there's a full spectrum of analytics. In fact, we actually would argue that we need to extend the definition of analytics, the most recognizable definitions of analytics out in market. So what we are doing is bringing together the solution assets that we have today, as well as building new assets, as well as aggressively acquiring assets, to address the full spectrum of analytics. So recognizing that at a basic level, somebody may need to report. But beyond that, there is modeling they need to do for optimization in their business. They need that predictive capability. They need to be able to have solutions that allow them to not only look at a report in a rear view mirror fashion, but actually take that and use it in a prescriptive fashion. So then how do they then take that information and have a solution that allows them to build their strategy around that, build a plan around that, and do that dynamically. Recognizing that strategy development and execution and planning are dynamic. The moment you think you have a plan, it's obsolete. And that spectrum that you talked about, starting with the reporting, that was kind of a vision put forth maybe 10 years, or even pre-911, as you recall. And then the whole Sarbanes-Oxley thing and the like really created a boon for reporting, didn't it, James? And so that must have been good for your business. But really when we talk about the predictive analytics and I want you to talk about EPM 10 and what's changed there, we're really going beyond the financial aspects of reporting. Is that right? Absolutely. We've seen customers that have built robust performance management frameworks that are focused on finance. That's ultimately where this whole process started, owned by the finance department, doing strategic plans, doing the financial reporting pieces, fueled by regulations like Sarbanes-Oxley, as you said. But more and more, we're seeing customers come to us, want to have people engaged in a collaborative process, really getting people outside of core finance, but real business users that know what's happening in the business engaged, really trying to understand what's happening and getting those people involved, getting them engaged, drive success into those processes. And that's one of the issues we've tried to address with EPM 10, really moving performance management much further across the organization. We're kind of using the phrase EPM for the company. So, what does that do in terms of, you know, the big thing in analytics used to be a single version of the truth, right? I think about the stories of Smith at FedEx talking about why logistics are so poor and everybody has a reason why it's not their fault. And he said we've got to have a single version of the truth. But now, as we enable these business users, are we running the risk of now having multiple versions of the truth again? And how are we going to reconcile all that? What are your thoughts? I don't think the vision is really trying to create multiple versions of the truth. In fact, one of the whole goals of the broad SAP strategy around business analytics is to bring everything together in the sense that you can have people looking at common data. But the point is giving them context. It's about enabling the business users to look at that information in the way that's right for them. We're not just talking about blindly spreading information or publishing reports to people no matter what they are. We're about, it's about making it specific to their role in the context that they need to make a decision or take an action. Stephanie, you've used the metaphor in the past of the GPS system for business. What do you mean by that? So metaphors work for me. Hopefully they'll work for you. But in terms of GPS, I think about business analytics holistically as a GPS system. So you are trying to go somewhere. You're trying to go from point A to point B.  It tells you where you are. What does a report do right now? You look to kind of say, where am I at with my sales? Where am I at with my hiring in HR? So the GPS system tells you, you are here now. We do that at the most basic level with BI reporting. But beyond that, the GPS navigates you to you say where you want to go next and it tells you and helps guide you to get there. It also, my analogy is incorporates governance, risk and compliance, which we argue is part of business analytics because along the way, what does a GPS system do or any sort of car dashboard? It starts to tell you if you're low on gas or it starts to tell you if there's traffic conditions that are going to slow you down from point A to point B. Those, we translate those into the business as those are just risks that you have and that are indicators of the likelihood of how successful you're gonna be on making it to your next destination or whatever your next objective is in your business. So we see the GPS system as a good metaphor for that because same thing, whether it's a pothole in the road or an outage in inventory on a product, you need to know those things. Yeah, so from a customer standpoint, how does the customer, because the GPS metaphor, I like a lot, which is, so that resonates with me. From a customer standpoint though, you've got to set up that sort of view of the world, don't you? You talk a little bit about the process that a customer has to go through to be able to say, okay, we have this view of our world, it's our map, it's customized for us. How hard is that, how long does it take? I presume it's a journey. Talk a little bit about that journey. Sure, frankly there isn't one way to go about it. I think it really depends, you're not working with a white piece of paper where an organization has come from. But one of the things that we feel like we're uniquely poised to do is because we've spent so much time, particularly SAP over the last 35 years working with organizations on the transactional systems. So really understanding the core end-to-end processes within an organization. So understanding what are the KPIs of head of HR versus what are the KPIs of a head of sale and what are the end-to-end processes they go through, that's enabled us to now go back and take analytics and overlay analytics on top of those end-to-end processes. Because the reality is everyone's always thought of analytics as separate from it, but the reality is you're trying to get real-time insights while you're in those process steps. So we've looked and said, okay, what are they taking that at rich experience on end-to-end processes across organization, map where the analytic insights are typically needed within there, or even allow for you to do ad hoc analysis or exploration throughout that, as well as throughout that mapping, what are all the potential risks, what are the controls that you want to put in as an organization as well. So throughout that, again, another example is something like GRC has been courted off to the side, an audit manager, a risk manager, and most people who wanted to run for the hills when they see that person coming down the hall. The reality is they've been taught that it was a stick, not a carrot, and the reality is GRC is a carrot if you actually embed it and you look at risk analytics and embed it into those end-to-end processes. In business analytics, as you say, embedded into the system. So Jeff, when I think of EPM and technologies like EPM, I think of the traditional analytics, a lot of financial reporting and so forth. So talk about what you've done that's different and how you've extended that. I mean, are you including things that are more collaborative in nature, more social? Talk about that a little bit. Yeah, really EPM 10 for us has been a journey that we've been on for a number of years. We announced our roadmap in this space in 2008. We've delivered a number of releases and we've worked incredibly closely with customers throughout that journey, not just in terms of the design of the applications but also validating what we've done across the release at every step of the way, right the way through to where we are today, which is announcing the release and we're very excited by the customer adoption that we're seeing. But really EPM 10 for me is kind of about three buckets. There's an element of unification, which is about bringing together the user experience. So if we're building on Stephanie's points around business analytics and putting solutions into the hands of key users, we can't just deliver a performance management suite that's just focused on a specific silo managing strategy or building a plan or a budget or doing some financial reporting. We need to deliver a common user experience. And I think what that really enables is getting more people involved, not just increasing the way that you can use an application and making them easier to use but ultimately increasing user adoption and by involving more people into the suites in this way, we're able to deliver a greater value for them. So does that infer from that that things like mobile play in a big way and I mean iPad and app stores and can you talk a little bit about where you guys are with regard to that model? Absolutely, I've spoken to a number of people today and the first thing they've commented on is where you're carrying a Playbook and you're carrying a BlackBerry, you're carrying an iPhone and you're carrying an iPad. We've been very clear in our approach to performance management that we've got some very strong, rich on-premise applications but we need to extend those out now. There's no good if you can let someone look at a situation and they can analyze where they are but if you don't enable them to take action that's a real issue. So we've announced with EPM 10 it's availability on a number of mobile devices. We've delivered specific point solutions like a strategy management solution for the iPad but in tomorrow's session we'll be actually announcing EPM 10. My colleague Brian Cadis will be doing a full end-to-end performance management process enabled entirely on a Playbook using our new web user experience. So these are all ways in which we're driving into mobile devices and it's really about allowing people not just to look at an issue, discover an issue but it's about then giving them the power to take action. In building on what James was saying we are extending that across the entire business analytics portfolio area so we think of business analytics as a system of engagement for everyone across the organization and he's absolutely right within EPM 10 but we extend that across all the solutions that were within there and the way that we're doing that is fundamental to why we acquired Sybase because they have the Sybase Unwired platform and it is that platform that says look we'll be device agnostic so we recognize some organizations and B2B will try to standardize around one or two devices but the reality is there's always going to be a proliferation I think I heard quoted 160 some odd new devices coming out over the next 24 months and so in looking at that we've got the device agnostic platform and we have the ability then to build mobile applications within that integrated with our business analytics solutions and basically take it from the time you're building the app to the time you're provisioning it to the user the entire life cycle management of that to the security in there to the decommissioning of a user so I remember last year at Platinum I gave a nice demo had the mobile demo up on stage so that was sort of last year I think you laid out the vision talked about the Sybase acquisition now this year I presume can I buy this stuff today absolutely so what you will see right now for example is we had the most within the business analytics offering we had the 4.0 launch earlier this year in February for business intelligence and information management and you can now purchase mobile BI so you have mobile BI you have it available to you on your handheld device and that you can do a license of that so that if somebody wants it it's based by the number of users that you have so per user pardon me fee around that so yes it is available today and then the number of applications that we have that are available mobily that continues to grow so we're leveraging that platform so one there's the leverage factor in the reuse you get of leveraging that mobile platform and two we are going to continue to extend that across all the solutions within the business analytics family talk a little bit about the user experience because I mean one of the things that BI traditional BI is criticized about is the complexity right I mean as a business user you say alright just run the report because I can't get near this stuff how much emphasis I presume it's a lot but talk about that a little bit is from a design standpoint is on the simplicity to enable the business user to actually interact I think it's twofold and James touched on some of it already but just building on that is one we acquired business objects almost four years ago and we did through through buy through build and through partner we've enriched the assets that we have within business analytics but one of the things we needed to do was clean up that user experience and these releases here 2011 is a very big year for us in terms of user experience and so to James's point it's not just to user experience but it's to user adoption so if you look at the 4.0 launch and you look at the 10.0 launch here today we've created a unified suite so that think of it liken it to Microsoft Office if you can go in and know how to use basic functionality within that that experience so look and feel we've put more modern styling in there as you traverse depending what type of need you have as a user you may have a very simple need around a report or you might want to do deep dive exploration or you may just be a CXO and want some interesting executive dashboards the look and feel and the way you interact and use it has completely been revolutionized over this release it was three years in the making and we used the time well spent so is on demand another aspect of the adoption I mean you're getting a lot of a lot of push for that so it's interesting I think not to on demand is critical and what I was going to say was make a comment about a hype cycle and that I don't want it to come across in a negative way we fundamentally believe that we need to optimize for both on demand and on device we have BI on demand today we have a couple hundred thousand users there it continues to grow it's very use case specific so we believe that there are certain things in an organization that probably should and will remain on premise and we're trying to create the flexibility there so create greater flexibility and how companies can purchase and consume as well as deploy so the answer is we have BI on demand we continue to grow BI on demand the nice thing about that is it's not the release cycles around that I mean it gets updated monthly as opposed to wait till your next release it's kind of exciting in terms of how quickly we can deliver enhancements to the market around that but to be very clear you're not going to hear we're becoming an all on demand company but we're also not just on premise we're trying to give that flexibility to our customers on premise on demand on device is kind of the messaging that we're hearing here at the event so it makes a lot of sense I mean you've got a big base do you think as we exit this decade we'll start to see that portion of the business the whole simplicity piece the end user piece driving this the on demand piece is that going to be the majority of business or not necessarily I mean if you put on your telescope and look out there do you see like huge demand surging for that or do you see IT organizations essentially becoming that service provider like organization and doing their own let's say app store is another metaphor I'm not sure I can exactly prescribe how the end state will be but I do believe the fundamental design principles and the way the way the software needs to be designed and the way people are going to buy is central what's central to that is the collaboration aspect and the ability to create better interaction so you know everything used to be very sort of purist of we have to wait till we get all the data together and then we have to you know let X number of users at a time and I think that there's just such a pent up demand to create greater collaboration and get the information out to people almost a good enough mentality to James point to enable them to take action in their business so I think there's going to be a big push on that I think it's going to come probably in a lot of different flavors if I might say and then over time we'll stabilize and we'll see one one area become dominant I think that the main point that I'm seeing in a lot of the conversations with customers and the work we're doing is that you know we and the market as a whole needs to understand how business users people that are working with information that are taking decisions they need to understand how their roles are evolving how those are changing as long as we stay in tune with that then really whatever the outcome is in 10 years we can let that evolve and we'll be there just as we are today with the developing suite we have that can respond to those changes it's interesting shift Stephanie too that you and James are talking about because I mean James in your traditional business it's you know as I was saying the one version of the truth you've got to have very precise metrics a lot of financial and quantitative information but I mean I'm sure you guys have followed the Hadoop movement it's like the wild wild west of open source and there's just data everywhere people are making and drawing inferences and Stephanie as you said it's good enough is really what people are looking for and they're actually beginning to monetize good enough in a big way do you see that whole open source movement that that what I'm calling the wild west as sort of a near term or midterm opportunity for you guys or is it just too crazy right now I wouldn't call it a near term opportunity for us I mean I don't think midterm I don't think anything's out of the question there I think SAUP has made significant investment in the area of SME and other areas but when I look at our current installed base of customers large portion large enterprise organizations and the way they're looking to go about solving the problems that probably we're not seeing that that's that that's the biggest pull from them at this point so we we tend to prioritize around the needs of the market and the needs of the customer I think it has a role it has a place if you watch I think it'll be use case specific so we're talking to Stephanie Buscemi and James Fisher about SAP's analytics thrust of big transformation actually in SAP we're seeing a drive towards simplicity enabling end users and business users and we've been talking about mobility Stephanie and James thanks very much for coming inside the cube we appreciate you sharing your knowledge and the specifics about SAP's vision and good luck at the rest of the event good seeing you guys thank you


From VOA Learning English, this is the Agriculture Report in Special English. Poinsettias are the best-selling potted flowering plant in the United States, and they are a traditional part of Christmas celebrations. That is why almost all of them are sold in the wintertime. The Department of Agriculture estimates that Americans bought $250 million worth of poinsettias last year. The poinsettias native to Central America and needs warmth to grow. Bright red poinsettias are the best known, but there are about 100 different kinds in colors including white, pink, yellow, and purple. The flowers of the poinsettia are very small. Around the flowers are colorful leaves called bracts. These bracts are what give the plants their beauty. The poinsettia is named for Joel Robert Poinsett from South Carolina. In 1825, President John Quincy Adams appointed him as the United States First Minister to Mexico. He saw the colorful plants growing in the wild there. He liked them so much that he sent some cuttings back to the United States. People who are allergic to the latex produced by rubber trees can develop a mild skin rash from poinsettia plants. Babies and pets that chew on the plants can get sick. But experts say the plant is not as poisonous as some people think. Then there is the question of how to say poinsettia. Do not be surprised if you hear someone say poinsettia. Both pronunciations are common. In the 1920s, Albert Ecke and his son Paul became interested in the poinsettias' ability to flower in winter. Paul Ecke thought it would be good plant for Christmas time. That they started a farm in California? Today, Ecke Ranch remains a major supplier to the United States and the world. For VOA Learning English, I'm Laurel Bowman.


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Yeah, I'd say I think closer to 20 Oliver on him, but who knows I Think it's gonna be a weird year, especially without all of the Like without the tournament and stuff for everybody to see are they Oliver there's a lot of question about this year It's very interesting. I mean this year definitely is like unlike any other before so Pack three Angel Vega. Good luck Angel obi toppen Aaron Nessmith Zeke Naji silver Tress tinkle cracked ice auto to 75 or trey tinkle Denny of Dija red to 299 Peyton Pritchard red wave onyeka and kung-wu and Tyrese Maxi Also some very good names there Pack four coming up for Ryan Petalski pack for Ryan. Good luck Onyeka kung-wu trey Jones obi toppen silver Obi top and auto there we go Nice little hyper auto there Sadiq Bay hyper RJ Hampton blue to 199 And Nico Manion and Robert Woodard Very nice one. 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That first box we did for office I think you said it was not very No, it was it was okay, but it didn't have any of the big rookies Yeah, I mean Allen Iverson had a couple other players in there Allen Iverson auto Cole Anthony So there's some solid stuff feel Maladon, but it's not like we hit like the Jason Tate Devon Dotson silver Lamar Stevens prospect auto base Jordan Wara hyper Tyrese Maxi red wave Sadiq Bay and Denny Abidja all of our weight will be gone next Wednesday NBA draft Sean's gonna be a hundred dollars richer in his pockets Might be digital We'll see Nobody does cash anymore Cool. Thank you very much Angel pack seven for you pack eight go into Dean Jalen Smith Kira Lewis Jr. Obi-Toppin Crusade Silver Anthony lamb prospect auto base Killiam Hayes What is this red pulsar? I don't think I've seen this parallel. I'm gonna say the super low numbered Pretty low numbered five out of 49. I guess that is an orange wave Looks red orange pulsar. Yeah, no, I Hit it with autos. I haven't hit in the regular so it looks different, but I think right? Yeah I mean, it's 49 pattern and orange Anthony Edwards red wave very nice Kira Lewis Jr. And Cassius Stanley. I'll see you tomorrow. I think on Friday as a night as a schedule Yeah, I'll let you know if not. Yeah. Yeah, cuz if it's Yeah, we'll find out. There you go Dean. Thank you very much pack eight Got some nice parallels in there Some very good names Pack nine for Angel your third pack Angel. Good luck. Lamella ball starts us off Jaden McDaniels on Yekou Kong Wu Silver Another good name Isaac a Coro Prospect auto hyper Very nice Udoka as a boogie hyper Cole Anthony red wave Devon Dotson and Zeke Najee. Yeah, I agree with James. I Think it's just that a random number block left right James Bruce Bowen, I feel like Oliver. I feel like these are compliments, but it's like it's like okay Like maybe they are they're very accurate but and pack 10 for Dean last pack Denny Avdija Isaac a Coro RJ Hampton Silver Pat Spencer Prospect auto silver Vernon Kerry jr. Hyper Ashton Hagan's cracked ice to 149 Obi-Toppin and on Yekou Kong Wu There you go. Thank you very much Dean and guys that is the break That was 2020-2021 Panini Prizm draft picks basketball hobby two box break random pack number five from Jaspies case breaks calm random pack number six and We also have a random letter break That's in the store. Those will both be from a fresh case. So Get your spots Jaspies case breaks calm. Thanks for hanging out. I'll see you next time


Hey, Psych2goers, welcome back to our channel. Have you ever wondered what would happen if you swapped bodies with your best friend? I mean, we're not in a science fiction novel, but we can wonder! How could you view your friend now having taken a step into their shoes? Would your sense of self-change? Well, that may very well happen. At least that's what research suggests in a study where pairs of friends swapped bodies in a perceptual illusion. This study, from Karolinska Institute in Sweden, found that the subject's beliefs about their own personality became more similar to how they viewed their friend's personality. Their sense of self changed. The study was conducted by a team of researchers from the Brain, Body, and Self Laboratory, led by Henrik Arsambi. The researchers wanted to understand the relationship between one's physical and psychological sense of self. In order to simulate the effect of two friend-swapping bodies, researchers fitted pairs of friends with goggles that showed a live, first-person perspective feed of their friend's body. Researchers then applied simultaneous touches on subject's corresponding body parts, providing the illusion that they were really feeling what they saw in the goggles. Just a few moments later, participants felt as if they had woken up in someone else's body, according to the researchers from Brain, Body, and Self Laboratory. Researchers wanted to prove this further, so they decided threatening the subject's friend with a knife was the best way to go. A prop knife, that is. Still a bit harsh, Doc. Once the subjects felt their friend and seemingly their present body was in danger, they broke out into a sweat as if they were the one being threatened. Not only did their body react to the danger their friend was in, but swapping bodies also affected the participants' confidence. Each subject's cheerfulness, talkativeness, and confidence were affected, often matching their friend's traits instead of their own. The friend's self-perception and beliefs about their own personality also changed. We found that during the perceptual friend-body-swap illusion, participants rated their own personality characteristics more similar to the way they previously rated their friend's personality. Post-bacterial researcher and first author Paweł Takiekowski told ZME Science, this main finding suggests that our beliefs about own personality, self-concept, are flexibly adjusted to the perception of our body, bodily self, in order to provide a coherent sense of self in a current situation. The research, which was published in the Journal iScience, also affected subjects' memory. It's commonly known that humans are better at remembering things relevant to themselves, as opposed to others. So when someone's mental self-concept doesn't match their physical self, their memory performance can decrease. The researchers plan to develop the technique further, with hopes to use it for certain clinical applications, such as treating psychiatric disorders, including depression. Besides pure curiosity, neuroscientist Takiekowski says he researches the sense of self for reasons that are clinically relevant, saying some psychiatric disorders like depersonalization disorder, or schizophrenia, are related to atypical experiences of one's own self. My goal as a cognitive neuroscientist is to formulate a general model of the self-representation at different levels to help develop new treatments. So, what did you think of this study? Would you want to swap bodies with your friend? How do you think your personality or sense of self would change? Let us know in the comments down below. If you found this video helpful, don't forget to click the like button and share this video with someone you'd want to swap bodies with. Subscribe to Psych2Go and hit the notification bell icon for more content like this. As always, thanks for watching!


all right we are now recording Liz go ahead okay so let's start at the top so check off and I have thoughts and I think this might be one of the ones that Justin also sent some thoughts on so I will just copy for the record Justin oh sorry I've sent that to Amy privately and I didn't need to which is fine but you know and I'm gonna say I had similar thoughts that it currently looks very bridge crew branded which isn't a blocker but I just wondered how much they had really thought about that and whether Amy have they had any kind of discussions with CNCF staff that you know of my knowledge but we're happy to be able to like you know help them move this out this is not uncommon to be able to have a project come in that has like super strong ties and then we work on being able to kind of like untangle it right I think it has some potential similarity to cloud custodian and I'm not sure if they acknowledge that they've just mentioned the open policy engine and terraform as a similar tools yeah to be fair the timing on this cloud custodian had just barely come in I believe right which okay yeah that's fair yeah this is one of the ones so before we kind of really got started with the call Elena brought up the point about what counts as a project roadmap and in this example they have just linked to the issues list which I don't know if we have a formal opinion on this but personally I'm not convinced that an issues list really constitutes a roadmap I'm sorry I was like super muted and you know I don't like I feel like at the sandbox level yeah I'd like a summary of like the roadmap but I don't know if we in the form do we describe like how what we want the roadmap in the form of no what well I think there's some phrase about having a published roadmap okay yeah I don't I think it's pretty vague but I'm I don't think I'm I think I just feel like maybe it for this one we it maybe needs a conversation to make sure they really understand what they're giving away in terms of branding and maybe getting a little bit more shape around this roadmap I'm not I'm not super comfortable about how we understand the distinction between what's in the open source project and what's in their commercial project yeah be nice to get an idea of that does anybody feel that we should have a vote on this or should we take it to a conversation as a next step I think the questions you asked are reasonable and we should just go back and ask them before voting so I'm just gonna know in the notes no it looks like an interesting project so just it has a very clear scope and it's yeah it's it looks like it's something that could be could be useful but yeah getting back to the to the owners make sense at this point so the next one on the list is backstage anyone want to raise any thoughts about backstage I think it's a really cool project so too don't know one thing that I think it's very cool I just didn't understand why linker D was brought up as a similar project but that's just such a minor comment yeah I was like is there some is there some feature I don't know about or is some some item on the road map that kind of like aligns it with linker D but overall I think it's a great project and the other comments or reservations or questions otherwise we could move to a vote for backstage seven that passes thank you awesome I think Justin was sort of in absentee plus one as well I don't can we do his like feelings well I mean he sent an email with plus one on the others which is all but to I don't know whether we can to remote votes like that no I'm not gonna try to do that it passes let us move on you're right doesn't make any difference all right now the next one prototype he is another one that Justin did send a comment on definitely some concerns I have some reservation about this project I was looking I was looking at the road map actually there is no road map what is the link is not working for me I was trying to look for that I didn't find anything and then I was looking at the contribution it seems that there are only two people actually working on it and there is no like noticeable adoption by other companies so I'm not sure if at this stage it's a good project for us to accept at least from my point of view like I was looking for out like as an entire project and ecosystem the way like the dynamics is there I couldn't see too much going on yeah I also wondered whether it really justifies being an entire project or whether it should be part of GRPC I don't know if that's a reasonable thing to suggest that maybe their next step should be to because I guess if there is alignment between what they're doing in GRPC then that would be great and if that isn't you know and maybe it could become a sub-project of GRPC and if there isn't alignment then I suspect it's a problem I think as well if very I mean I'm not sure if the project maintainers talk between themselves but I think if there is a very close similarities or at least it makes us to be under the same umbrella maybe they could collaborate but yeah this stage I don't know like for me at this stage it seems just like a very stand-alone project so shall we do we want to hold a vote or should we suggest that as a next steps they talk to GRPC and perhaps where I feel like that would be it I would like to understand what GRPC think of this project of their I agree was that a good idea I will if we want to let me write protop rather than proton do we want to note that there's no roadmap in here or the roadmap was not available okay did I get that right like he clicked on it and nothing worked right yeah precisely I was I was even trying because we've mentioned that we looked at the issues in GitHub I couldn't find too many of those either for interrupting me chef yeah I wonder you know this is not specifically for this project but I wonder if there's any kind of I'm very sensitive to this just a general maturity and traction you know is there in any of your mind is there like a ball like that to be crossed before it could be considered even as a CNCF sandbox project because if someone could just come in and just check all the other boxes you know I I start a project today I mean this is an extreme case and then and then you know have a roadmap and have a little bit of code and that is that I mean that probably wouldn't wouldn't pass the gut check right it's it's it's gotta be I mean this this project is is probably amongst the the least mature that I've seen so I wonder if that plays into you know folks thinking anyway yeah I think it does I I couldn't see this without thinking of it in the context of GRPC as well but but yes if even if it was an entirely new area without that overlap with an existing project I think I think you're right I'd be questioning whether it's quite it depends right I think if we if we had a project that had virtually nothing to it yet but it had you know three different vendors who said we want to have a CNCF home to collaborate on this flimsy idea but we want a neutral space and that's why we want to do it I think I'll be more open to that some explanation some explanation for why project wants to join the CNCF in that in that matrix would help as well like what are the goals of the project that's a great point you know because I thought that to myself for check off like I would like to understand what they're thinking is wanting to join the CNCF and maybe that's a useful question we should add to the form but it's equally it's the sort of question that people can answer in a very hand-wavy way but at least it can point us to some direction when we have questions like that to mature and what are they looking for from CNCF yeah there's always going to be a data there's always a GitHub repository to look at but if the project is is very fresh yeah shall we actually ask Amy to add a question to the form that says why do you want to donate the project to the CNCF oh hello Justin sorry I'm late well actually I feel like we can work with I'm looking at column J J one and it sounds like that would just need to be reworded slightly I think there's two different points here the alignment I people answer this in quite a useful way around like how it how their project relates to other about native projects but Justin we're just talking about how for a few of these we we feel like we want to understand why they want to join the CNCF and perhaps we should considering ask should we ask a question why do you want to donate this project to the CNCF yes yes I mean we kind of yeah we that's true we don't we we yeah I think that would definitely be helpful I don't know which ones in particular you were we should bring you up to speed we are we just been talking about prosop so we decided that for check off and well for check off we we weren't confident about the roadmap and shared your concerns about the the amount of branding so I think we recommended having a conversation with them first right like what they want out of it and why they're doing the donation and do they really understand that they will have to give up all the branding and they also don't have a great roadmap they just have a list of issues backstage past proto great great also shared concerns and recommended that they should speak to GRPC but that led Shane to asking about I think it was originally a question about like what level of maturity kind of passes the gut check for different members and then we got on to this whole question of like it really revolves around why the project wants to join yeah I mean if they want to join because they need more input then I'm kind of yeah then but then also like as you say like talking to some of the other projects and getting input there are other ways of doing that other than joining as well yeah yeah alright so the next one on the list is tremor who has thoughts any thoughts or concerns do they tick all the boxes I actually really liked they kind of document their origin story which I thought was really really useful you know that this is you know we had a problem at Wayfair and we wrote this project to solve it that was pretty nice yeah and this it seemed it seemed quite mature and I had not heard of it before but it seemed I definitely seemed interesting they have a very good issues management with that with all the useful labels like good first issue very very good code of conduct also it's easy to navigate yes I agree it looks really well kind of constructed and documented and organized we're gonna add to the compliments man like these docs are actually nice to read I wonder if we should be like highlighting somebody like when we get a really good application or really good like hey look at this this is this is how you should do your contribution guidelines or whatever alright shall we move to a vote on tremor any objections before I I'm hitting tremor votes so metal cubes if I'm not mistaken we did talk about metal cube last time but they were missing something that right yeah kind of conduct was missing I mean I think that there are there's a lot of experimentation in the edge cube space and I think encouraging that is a good thing I think that no one really at this point knows what architectures are going to be successful and so I think but there's definitely interest so I think I'm quite positive that we should be encouraging experimentation in this space because it's a real space I agree with that yeah I'm actually quite surprised and please pleasantly surprised that they are actively collaborating with cluster API and they providing their own integration with it and it will enable the creation of clusters and their metal or at least having that interface around so I think that's actually because we had a lot of questions about how can I create my cluster but not be in a cloud vendor but still be bare metal so I think that's going to be a very good addition to the ecosystem so I'm feeling quite positive about it and we need to vote on metal heat yep so the next one on the list is Porter and I have a question which is like and I think Michelle you'll know the answer to this I didn't realize deus labs is still a thing oh yeah so I named it actually yeah so we wanted to do a throwback to like just like kind of the vibe that we had deus and then include the new folks at Microsoft and include like you know community people who we wanted to work with on open source stuff so this is like this is the org that we put projects in that are not Azure specific that are cloud native and that we want to just like R&D with and work with community on and eventually donate to a foundation or put it into a foundation cool thank you I mean yeah we've done a bunch of work with Porter and I think it's been a very good place where the community been working on the CNAP staff it's become very much where where we've been moving to contribute as a project because it's got momentum so I'm very supportive of this shall we move to a vote the CNAP spec is in the other org isn't it the other learners foundation yeah JDF yeah JDF so is that because it's a spec rather than a yeah yeah I mean this is effectively the primary implementation at present of the spec and where the all the kind of work around implementation is going at the moment mostly right but it I mean it might not remain like that forever but yeah I think that's why because if my right and thinking that JDF is kind of primarily about specs and have some recollection of historically projects that wanted to define a spec of being pointed in the direction of JDF yeah it's yeah yeah and they have like really good resources for how you should like organize yourself as a as a spec body and function and stuff so great so yeah that's all right data sets life cycle framework and this is the IBM one right yeah so I had a couple of it's got like 35 stars when I looked at it and I just wondered whether I mean one of the related projects that they mentioned is a Kubernetes enhancement proposal so it made me wonder whether this is you know a big enough thing to be a full project or whether it is more of a Kubernetes enhancement it's not very well explained I have to say as a when you come to the project it's it's kind of confusing as to why would I need it what's it for and the contribution guidelines are quite sparse it's just three liners as a developer I wouldn't know like what I start as a contributor if I recall correctly this project presented to SIG storage and we invited them to collaborate with the container object storage interface initiative that's already going on and they started participating in that I'm not sure whether it's worthwhile to continue to accept this as a separate project or not yeah I'm not against the general principle of it I just wasn't convinced it's yeah a whole I think I might be saying the same thing for a couple of projects here that you know not yet on the list later as well that maybe some of these projects should be not projects in their own right but they should be sub projects or enhancements to existing projects yeah I must say I also struggled with the exact meaning exact you know definition of this project it's always a little hard it's it just I think there's a it's it's it's probably you know deserves some amount of experimentation I know it's kind of early stage and things will evolve but you know that I think the better you make it crisp the more likelihood that you know get more users and more developers and you know more stars part of the problem is it's not clear what it is a framework for handling data sets because that's very vague yeah I mean if this is a serious story for Kubernetes then could it be I mean I don't know if Kubernetes are maybe they don't want to have a sort of ever-increasing set of resources but this feels like it's so tied into Kubernetes you know it's just some I might be mischaracterizing it but I read it as some custom resource definitions for for Kubernetes and I'm not convinced that's a full project maybe it's aiming to be something more so do we want to have a vote or shall we recommend I think maybe we should talk to six storage about this I would like to have feedback from them if they've spoken to them already so what's your I mean I think that wouldn't hurt it would definitely worth talking to to the leads there I think my personal opinion is I would pass so do you do you think it is sufficiently standalone in its own right to kind of be I think there is a lot of overlap with the project with what's already being developed in the cap that's being pointed out in Kubernetes and so what I'd like to see is the project kind of differentiate itself from that and say okay you know is it complimentary to that and adding additional functionality on top which it potentially could do if it wanted to or is it going to kind of tackle the same space in a different way which I would caution against I mean even if it tackles the same thing a different way if it points out the reason for it like I I'm just kind of I guess I I just find it difficult it looks like it's adding a lot of metadata to you know to the data that seems like what its purpose is but but but I I'm not sure I fully comprehend the significance of it is that like automatically generated is that like you know it's it's hard just I'm kind of lacking understanding a little bit I think my understanding is that they take various data sources like a bucket an object bucket and make it easy to surface it up into a container they'll mount it into that container and just kind of give you various ways to be able to keep track of different data sets very similar to the cozy proposal right now also is that the proposal that is a cap yes it's similar so the the proposal that is a cap is called a container object storage interface and effectively they're looking to standardize how object storage is surfaced into containers and Kubernetes such that we could kind of have a portable interface much like we have for file block today with CSI yeah so I think it's interesting because that's not listed as you know project similar in CNC elsewhere I think they listed it as a link to the cap because that project is still in design phase right so it feels to me it doesn't feel to me kind of and please tell me if you disagree but to me it feels like we shouldn't be accepting a project when Kubernetes may be accepting another conflicting way of doing of achieving something similar I think we should at least understand you know I think they're saying or what different cases they cover or you know yeah I would agree all right so do we need to go for a vote or shall we just pass this on to let's understand how this relates to that cozy proposal we wouldn't accept at this time with that cozy proposal in flight should understand yeah busted open yet not sure I think I'm actually quite you know the project looks pretty cool and pretty advanced I think this does start to flag how I mean in this case this is about edge computing I think we may have other areas where this is also going to be true I can't believe that all of the edge projects that we're currently supporting are all going to be successful I think the sandbox is the place for yeah absolutely I mean they mentioned keep keep edge and the architectural differences with keep edge but it's trying to do some as related things but I think yeah completely like the sandbox is the place to experiment with these things I agree and I guess as a separate thing for us to think about is you know how when I I'm just sort of flagging up that at some point we're going to have to think about which of these different competing projects projects when they apply for incubation do we want to consider them as as competitors that that kind of thing I think it's not a not a decision we need to take now at all and absolutely they should they should find it out in that kind of Darwinian way I'm just trying to supplant the seed that at some point we can't have like we're gonna have to make some tough decisions well but projects I mean we've seen projects merge and things in sandbox and actually I think there's there's lots of I mean I think there's lots of opportunities to for one of them no other of them to decide that architecturally there are better designs or something that is true do they have everything they need I think they do you do okay shall we do a vote on open yet so do you send that to me privately your plus one oops fix okay so open service mesh I'm guessing that this has all the requirements in place I'm sure it has all the requirements in place I can fill out the form but yeah I'll look how do I stay as out of that and so does anybody want to make any comments or I think this project does win the prize for the shortest time between being announced and submitting for sandbox I think it was two days it's gonna be hard hard to beat that okay let's go on open service mesh so the next one is open cruise I was a bit confused by the scope for this because it seems to be a collection of things my notes say this looks like a lot of Kubernetes enhancements should we discuss with the Kubernetes steering committee well this is actually a little bit different than the Kubernetes self right so it's actually a set of controllers that enhance Kubernetes but the controllers are all about application workload management for example the second management there is thing called a clone set is similar to a hybrid version of stateful site and relica sites so basically Kubernetes upstream only support a key set of workload controllers and it this product compliments that and yes actually has a lot of users in China and I think leave to those of you think open cruise so it's not really competing with Kubernetes kind of like enhance Kubernetes when I see things like I don't know advanced stateful set it makes me wonder whether yeah for the yeah that's a kind of you know should that not be if it's a useful definition should that be a resource definition that's part of the core Kubernetes project yeah for the advanced stateful site we are working with the upstream to actually move most of it to upstream if I can accept this for the other things if upstream wants to do similar things we just move it there but right now it's a place for us to experiment in new ideas and new workloads besides cold Kubernetes and I think for Kubernetes actually we are trying to limit the scope of all these key workloads and for some other like companies who wants more like workloads they can collaborate on this product and I think this is the goal we create this product and we won't donate it to CMCF yeah my kind of concern was it wasn't clearly explained what the scope of this as a project was in terms of because it's like it's a collection of things to experiment with not a which not a sort of it's not a product per se it's just a I don't know is it a would it would this if you're familiar with Kubernetes there's a thing called control manager it's actually similar to the control manager the control manager actually manage a set of things right yeah yeah this is a like like a control manager out of cold Kubernetes and it does more things and yeah I understand that it's just what's what's in scope for this project in the sense of like what would you accept into this project any experiment will control what's the kind of the boundary of what's in and what's out of this project so if it's related to workload management it's in the boundary so for example if you want to manage your own like application and your application has like different departments that up upstream controller provides and you can experiments your controllers here and if it's like something related to like operators and other like non-controller related stuff is not the scope in this project so it does make me wonder why those experiments are and and the answer there may be good answers for this but I it makes me wonder why those experiments aren't happening as part of the Kubernetes project well I think we can talk to the upstream but my understanding is actually trying to limit the scope of the core controllers and we develop CRD in that Kubernetes so that users can actually extend Kubernetes outside the Kubernetes core like part itself and I think that's the goal of CRDs and that's why we are experimenting things outside Kubernetes and for things like at once stable side right we add some little things here and there we will try to like move those to Kubernetes eventually the upstream think this is very very useful for other like users or community at large. I think Kubernetes SIGs is designed for exactly this this type of thing where there are effectively Kubernetes sub-projects that are sponsored by Kubernetes SIGs so I think the advanced stateful set would be a good example of a project that could find a home there. Is the intention eventually to do that for all of these controllers or is the intention to support them independent of Kubernetes? So I think it depends for at once stable side we actually want want them to eventually goes into Kubernetes for the other like workload types we have to like do the experiments and see what is the adoption rate and whether it's common to other users and then we can decide whether we should push this into Kubernetes after rooms or we can just host it in another like product because I think like Kubernetes is kind of the base of this product and if it's a controller the control types are common enough we should try to push it into Kubernetes other than that which will really with a lot of time to actually push it to after rooms if the use case is not that like common. I'm looking on the face of it I think there's some really great experiments going on here that are you know I'm not in any way questioning the work I think the work is good. I am wondering whether this is something we should talk to the Kubernetes steering committee about because I'm wondering why you know would the Kubernetes project prefer this kind of experiment to be happening within their project or outside of their project and you know this is this is good work I don't think we should have ten different project I'm pulling ten out of the air having kind of different Kubernetes resource experiments kind of competing with each other it doesn't feel quite the as I say although I think it's good work I don't I don't think this is sandbox so and I see a few couple of people agreeing. I would be happy to have it in sandbox but I'm happy to ask Kubernetes if they want it first. Yes, ask Kubernetes if they want it first and also understand why you know and I don't think the sandbox should be a shortcut that sort of circumvents the way Kubernetes are running projects and equally if a shortcut is needed because somehow it's difficult to get enhancements working through Kubernetes we need to unlock that I feel like this is something we should be you know talking to Kubernetes project about why this experiments happening outside of their project. Yeah I think looping in SIG apps would be really good to just to get an idea of whether it makes sense for this to be a sub project under under them and some projects really start from within the SIG and this is already pretty mature so getting that also viewed from scaring on how to handle the situation and what their perspective is would be great as well. Yeah so I think unless anyone particularly wants to call for a vote shall we say our next step is discuss with with KSC and yeah as what Amy said. And then I'd love to like just to also add on love to see this get somewhere a better neutral and you know be part of the community because I really do appreciate this work and think it's very useful. Yeah 100% yeah Shang are you happy with that? Yeah I think that's great we can discuss with the student committee in Kubernetes. Great okay then predator. This name makes me feel a type of way. I have a feeling they have a logo as well. A logo is a dog. I don't know it makes me like feel weird. It's not like the code of conduct to see if like this was okay you know. Yeah it's certainly got a style. Yeah so it comes out of a vendor called pay you or an end user company rather called pay you which is you know so it's another interesting example of something that's come from a from a non-vendor from what I can make out although I don't know what the zoos organization is that it's listed under.  Well the 36 Fox is very low for something that's post 1.0. Yeah so I'm just remembering looking at that 244 stars that wouldn't be sufficient to get it on the CNCF landscape right now which is not a bar you know that's not something we've previously said I just noted that but it's interesting that you know as I say that it's being spun out of an end user project from what I can see. I feel like this is another case where I would love the answer to that why do you want to contribute it to the CNCF question. I would love that too especially again that there was no that the project owners haven't completed the alignment with other CNCF projects section I believe I'm using it. Yeah so they've yeah they've filled in the one about explaining how your projects are aligned by saying it uses client resources like Kubernetes or DCRS to run distributed load tests. Also there's not really a clear roadmap I think they also link to the issues. I'd like to see a roadmap. Yes so yeah I think the road the absence of the roadmap is enough to really be I guess we do we want to hold a vote. I'd like more information I really like that these projects are coming in from end users but I'm seeing that maybe we need we need to go back and ask them for more so I just want to encourage encourage these kinds of projects but just with a lot of more information. Yeah and I think also if they you know come back to us in a couple of months and they've shown us some progress and trajectory that will be a bit more compelling. Amy's comment in the chat no clear roadmap resubmit with clear a roadmap question mark so I think we're saying yes even though it's not a question on the form can we ask them like you know what they're looking for from the CNCF just so we get a better idea of that too. Yeah I think we can put that in. We're going to have a little debate on how you pronounce that. I'm not really sure. It doesn't have much of a roadmap either. It's a and not much adoption I mean it's got I'm again 15 forks 155 stars it's a I mean I like the I think the idea is interesting but it's the sort of thing that I would like to see usage to know that it's that they're approaching it right and that say that people find it are finding it helpful because I don't think I think supporting database migrations is something that people have a problem with and this and cloud environments but there are also difficulties with it like rollbacks and A-B tests you know great green blue deployment all sorts of kind of issues with that but I don't know if they've really if they've solved enough of the users problems in the space to make it plausible. Does it come from like is it a collaboration or is it a kind of I'm just wondering about that neutral space for experimentation or is it really a set of people who can carry on mutually contributing without our major computer contributors are from a replicator.com. The idea is really cool I'd like to see this work. Yeah that was my view that it's a good idea and maybe we should just talk to them and see I mean again it's mostly one person. Right so if we don't accept them it's not an impediments to the experiment continuing if we don't accept them today. Yeah well we don't not as far as we know I mean maybe there are reasons. I found myself thinking well it's interesting but is this really I wondered how much it really fits into being cloud native or whether this is really more about database management which you know oh thanks Elena she says too late. Yeah I wanted to say before I leave that I like the project database management have never been easy and yeah I would like to learn more about it. Okay. Bye. Hi. Do we have enough people to remain quarreled for the last two or should we punt them to next week? We do we've got six or one more. I need to jump off as well unfortunately. Yeah in fact I think we've dealt with schema hero because we're saying we want to learn more maybe. Yeah I mean just schema hero in terms of scope I think it fits. Okay. But yeah you're right we should get more info. Yeah clear road map sounds good. Just understanding why they want to join again would be would be good. Yeah and then should we push key line to next close meeting. So the tricky part about that is that we have a two-month cycle right now and right now we still have quorum. Okay. I think we have to drop right. All right. Side's dropped Elena's dropped but I still have six. Okay. It's close. I can stay. I can stay. I can stay. I'm sorry I have to drop as well. I'm sorry. Okay. But we can okay maybe we do it before you know I thought we could do it immediately afterwards. We do that if anything we don't get to in the two-month cycle we just do in the next closed meeting. It's not going to take very long. It doesn't take two months. Okay. Okay. All right. I will put them on the schedule for our next September meeting. All right. So perfect. Thanks everyone. Thank you very much. Bye everyone.