Welcome to the RF Elements Unlives podcast. As always, I'm Caleb. We're over here with Tyson who say hi to us. Hey, everybody How's going? Hi Tessus. How are you? So I'm good. Yes This week we're gonna be talking about Wisp America 2023 Louisville, Kentucky We just finished that show up here shortly the general state of the market and Whatever we feel like rambling on because it's already on podcast when we say only months man So but first before we get into that Tosses give the good people out there. They're called action Yeah, don't forget to like listen and subscribe to our channel right here on youtube or anywhere You download your audio podcasts like apple google or spotify Sit in the music intro All right guys, so we just got recently back from the wisp America 2023 uh trade show You know one of many that we've been to so Um, I don't collect badges. I know a lot of people do I think like five years ago I was like I should probably start doing this and never got around to it. Not me. I don't I don't I don't collect badges There's no badges here I don't know stinking badges. So Uh show was held in Louisville, Kentucky. Um, you know good show typical turning out. I think maybe a little bit lower I don't know kind of what do you what are your thoughts and feelings about this here show? Yeah I mean it was it was different To say I mean it wasn't like it was underserved or anything like that over 1200 people Which for a you know wisp America show is actually quite quite a good attendance, right? So can't really complain about that. But yeah, it's something seemed a little off. I mean like the flow Uh, at least through the exhibit center, right was a little slow Um, you know, we didn't see really anybody's uh, booth Not just our booth like get like totally swamped and packed, you know with at least once a day, right? So it was a constant flow of people coming through but it seemed it seemed to be a little bit more mellow I mean almost like the market is right now, right? It seems that the market's just kind of deflated a little bit Uncertainty things going on and what's next and I think it showed kind of in the you know I guess that the physical, you know Affirmation of how people were to show as well, you know, yeah for sure It definitely had a vibe where everyone's like, hey, you saw everybody You know, we got to meet some new people and that was great and you know have those conversations But you know for the most part once everyone got past the you know catching up What's up, bro I was having a hand seeing you a bit and then everyone was like, how's it going? Everyone's like, uh, we're just Waiting We're here and we're waiting for six gig or the the amp see even the city And this radio and that radio the next new big thing coming around the curve and You know, I think a lot of that energy is really just kind of showing up across the the market in general, right? and it's a little bit what we want to talk about today is the You know the 68 hopes dreams unicorn tears and all that other sort of stuff rainbows and unicorns, you know, that's we we talked about this in previous shows like Hey guys, uh, this is definitely coming and it's gonna be great when it does But you know, there's still a lot of time between here and them I mean we talked about we started talking about this when we started the podcast a year ago And it was gonna be hey into this year the hey into q123 q2 Like we're q3 now maybe I mean who really knows right so Uh, and the radios and stuff are just aren't quite there. I mean, yeah, I definitely came in. I think it's been the most progress You know, there's a lot of people out there testing the platform now working at the kinks They're five gig versions uh test units are about to drop as I understand so But you know from big you you big when he nobody knows man. It's crickets on the outside. Not exactly Not exactly surprising there, but at the same time I was like hey guys You uh, you don't do anything just come po po. Hey, hey Anything but So, you know, we're kind of waiting all night, you know the mimosa products coming out there and testing But there are some shenanigans afoot over there. So that news came out, you know during the show that um Mimosa has now sold so airspin sold mimosa, which poor poor guys at mimosa They seem to kind of get rocked with uh these announcements during the show like when airspin bottom Was last year was a big kerfluffle about the quarantino setup and everything and then now this year while they're setting up the booth They're like, oh, hey guys, uh, we're being sold. So awesome. So We got good friends over there and it's kind of tough to see that happen But you know, we'll see how this pans out right now. It seems like there's not a lot going on You know, everything will be status quo for a while, but you know kind of makes you wonder, you know, where things going and I mean, although there's there's been a lot of promises from that side as well that you know This is something you've spoken to with a bit of um Feeling behind it. I guess, you know, where that whole thing's going. I don't know if we want to hash that out here or not But I don't care. Why not? I mean, I have opinions. So I'll I open the show with them and I Yeah, I mean and it it's kind of frustrating right because you know where the market's going You know, it's heavily dependent obviously on what the equipment manufacturers put out and then you know If we if we look at all that sort of speak quote unquote major players in this space, you know There's a lot of stagnant stuff. There's still a lot of uh, you know uncertainty. There's there's a lot of Really guessing. I mean, let's let's start with ubiquity, right?   I mean, I want to be wrong I honestly do I want to see something more come but I mean, that's that's it and I think the most frustrating part about that is I mean it is It's ubiquity's decision. It's their market to play in their company to run do it the way you want Um, but it's really, you know somewhat of the the user base still hoping and waiting and praying that, you know You know, the powers over there will actually do something and uh, I I don't see it happening anytime soon Uh, probably next year if we see anything and I get that's just my kind of Basic prediction. Who knows right? Please. Yeah, you're wrong. I mean, yeah, exactly like As much guff as we throw that way. We understand that you know, what they've done for the marketplace is Or for the market in general has been tremendous, right? Yeah, there's a lot that rolls with that But yeah, like six eight months ago.  It's coming. We'll get us a rocket. We'll have a six gig version We're gonna be rocking and rolling and it's been crickets and like they refer to some future ap with the compatibility but it's like dude like Where is it?  There's some uh, kind of knockoff hardware that they made me that you know Would indicate what their ideas might be but then it's like just absolutely crickets We're not even getting like the the the vibe checks from the people that are normally sort of in the motorbike. They're Exactly. They're their test users and they're like, oh, yeah, man. It's gonna rock I mean the LTE stuff for the longest time everyone's like, man, you're gonna be really excited Whatever when this stuff rolls and there's just none of that background shot around here. So I don't know if they got voted out of the cool kids club. I don't know if you know, they They're hammered down with paperwork and can't say a thing. It's really hard to say but hopefully You know here in the near term, we get a five gig version.  Like I'm not gonna pin the whole lot of money into building, you know new networks on this knowing that it could be obfuscated or sorry, um EOL or you know, just basically just ignored in the future. I don't want to drop a lot of money And I'd like to build my new networks now, but I'm like, well, and we're waiting on this next big thing coming around And no one knows what it is. So there's a lot of a lot of thumb twiddling going on there And I think it really kind of hurts The uh, the marketplace or the market, excuse me Uh, I don't know why marketplace stuck in my head, but whatever. I'm shopping for too much junk in Facebook. Yeah, exactly, right? It's been all winter. I've just done nothing done nothing all winter But just shop for junk waiting for spring to come out. So your chinese goods Yeah, exactly. I need some boxes of garbage here now Let's fill the hole Uh, um, but no, it's just, you know, it just leaves with the hesitation Uh, now on the flip side, you know, we've got a came in which is fantastic about saying, hey, here's our roadmap Here's what looks like great. Yep. They have one, you know, who's step one excellent Uh, you know, we're good good traction there But again the downside of that is like cool. So here's our product development 24 and 25 and it's like Okay, I mean, that's that's awesome. Like what's on there looks really fantastic But if we've got to wait two or three years at this point, then you end up with that sort of analysis paralysis and the hesitation to say, hey, do I keep building what we know worth now to carry us over or do we wait? Uh, and I think, you know, I'm the same as you like the longer you sit there and wait and don't build to fill a need in your customer base Don't get your your presence established there. Um, then it just makes it one You less relevant. I get some markets on the things but also to like the competition's rolling, right? Like we know there's so much money coming into fiber and these other operators or these consolidation operators Another one 200 million dollar turn up outfit to start buying up operators and stuff like people are making moves And if you're sitting on your thumbs waiting for the next big thing, it's going to pass you by and it's not a relatively Yeah, it's just going to pass you by and you're going to find yourself, you know, obsolete as some extent. So You know, building that brand building that reputation locally, even if it's not the ideal way at the moment It's got to get done. I mean, nothing's ever ideal. Like we would all love to have the magic bullet and sell the one thing Toss those and I could sell one skew We're done, right?  So Really pumped about that. Um, you know, we're looking to see where things go from there Uh, again, the mostest side of things.  Yeah, sure. I'm not I can have a better day right now.  You know, it's a slow death for the past almost three years, right? Two plus years Um, you know, since since the kind of merging, so to speak or whatever if you want to call that acquisition with air span Nothing really has happened there. And you know, again, there's a there's a lot of hope and dreams, you know From their fan base of their user base that actually something's gonna happen.  That's scary to You know as an operator, I know there's people who built their networks based on mimosa, but it's just like how many more you know, uh, you know Things like this have to happen before you kind of maybe find a more secure vendor in this space, you know And it's not and it's not just about six gig, right? I mean, there's a whole another conversation to have is like, hey five gig is here, right? You know, so five gig still works, uh, you know, five gig is still a thing and You know waiting, you know not building, you know new networks because you're waiting for six gig is Yeah, I don't know that it's the best approach. I mean, I'm not a wisp, right? You're not a wisp We deal with a lot of wisps and we talk to a lot of wisps So maybe we're not the best ones to you know, give advice in this this area But I mean, there's people out there who need internet now, right and five gig works and five gig is a thing, you know and Uh, you know, well, I don't know. I don't know where to put the money on But uh, and I don't want to be a cambium fanboy, right? But at the moment when you look at the overall picture of things like you said The first box is checked. They actually have a roadmap, right? The second box is checked They actually have beta hardware out there and testing that's working. Is it doing everything they said? No, but it's early, right? So but at least that's you know a lot to be said for the first two things, you know They're relevant. They're here. They talk to you, you know, if you say hello cambium, I have a question Can be mansion. That's the third box that I consider check, right? None of the other vendors in this space are really doing Any any of that stuff right now. So I mean again, you know, it it's not You know a one one trick pony, right? Because that's the other problem with some of these solutions that are out there like tarana will will go there Trust me, you know, but you know, there's not a one-size-fits-all solution for delivering bandwidth to people, right? So I think the you know the the hybrid network of not only fiber and wireless But multiple types of wireless solutions in your network is is a thing You know, I mean, I think we have to think of hyper hybrid now, right? You know, not only five gig and six gig and fiber and wireless and other things I mean really you have to use the best tool, you know for the job to deliver bandwidth and you know Not even cambium delivers all of that yet either, right? So, I mean, you know find those vendors But in the wireless space, I'll wrap up my little rant here Uh, you know in the wireless space right now cambium is is you know in the front of the wide, right? Hopefully they can deliver right and hopefully some other Manufacturing maybe wakes up and you know comes to the party Yeah, definitely the most cohesive message and definitely say we're in this market with you Uh for the long haul we've been here for I mean forever, right? I mean ever since I was we lad doing this stuff You know is canopy and then the whole platform is is definitely grinding stuff for the years and Now, you know, there's definitely other manufacturers out there that recently say, hey, you guys are definitely a thing We're super interested in Wink, um That we've spoken about in the past But you know, that's the message from that is not hey, we're with this market for a long haul You know, it's there's some some live service given Um, but at the same time, you know, there's a lot of this sort of stuff when When you label yourself next generation is the most generic tag ever and it's just okay. Well the next generation. Yeah Not great, but All right, so and of course, you know, the Toronto thing is the the big definitely the big unicorn In the room the the pink elephant or pinky pink unicorn in the room We're talking about to you say mix it all together exactly, but You know, again, where's all the Gen T stuff that was supposed to have already been here You know, I don't know last year or whatever that was where's, you know, oh, we definitely got six gig coming But there's no real push or no real show there as to where it is and you know, it works You know, we're not going to deny that, you know, we've had a lot of conversation with a lot of people The platform works. All right, great. You know, they've gone through some growing payers and we all have At some extent, right? I mean we're no one's perfect. But at the same time, it's like, okay Here's an expensive solution that you are questioning the long-term viability of it That is fed basically off investor money at this point with yeah focus on us now But also could just disappear at some point and even if you ignore all that you've got platform where most Operators are looking at a two-year ROI three-year on ROI. You'd be too nice Yeah, yeah, exactly. So at that point, you know, you've really got to consider is this what I want to do long term Or do I just kind of nut up and you know push a fiber solution? You know, of course, it depends on a hundred different factors So again, there's so much segmentation into how you serve your customer base. Like you just said But I mean two or three year ROI I mean you get a glass on the ground or the air and a lot of different places and You know, it it definitely makes things simpler and it also plays a lot into you know When you think long term about what are you doing with your wish for now?  Then you know, you've got to think about what your technology renewal costs and stuff are going to be and Everything based on that Yeah, yeah, I mean my my whole thing is is not really on the the radio. I mean it comes off that way sometimes, right?  So the non-line of site capabilities the speeds that it delivers. I mean it's using multiple polarizations And that's how they achieve it. It's all it's all fine and great but really We we need to see it from the the lower mechanics of how they operate as a company as well And who can afford it and who's actually using it and how well it's being used It's really a lot of those things that really worry me and I'm I'm worried about, you know, our wisps You know, basically the the majority of You know wisps, uh in in North America You know, whether they're going to get hurt by this potential investment in there because again, you know, you know If you have government money, it's great because it's free money. You don't care, right? Most wisps like 99 9% of wisps don't have government funding in there. They're they're self-funded, right? So it's a very expensive proposition, but you have to ask yourself, you know, You know, are they proven? No, right? I mean, they're they're new to the market, right? You know, uh, do they support the wisps in this market? I mean, I can't remember the last time I see people ask questions all the time. Hey, is there anybody from Toronto out here that can answer this question? You never hear them, right? So they're doing that, you know, ubiquity You know, we don't exist, you know, let the other users help you kind of a thing. So where's that? There's real, you know, no delivery on the vision of their product. Like you said g2 is supposed to be here I mean, so what did they do? They oh, we upgrade so you could run a wider channel and generate even more noise. Yay, you know Yay, that's some technology for you, right?  I don't know who, right? But I mean the the biggest thing is again delivering on everything that they say because I I believe when wisps think You know of Toronto, they're they're thinking of the big picture, right? You know, 600 meg at eight miles at nine line of sight at all these things and you really I don't see that, you know, 250 subscribers at the same time on one AP This is what people think they're getting when they buy that but when you actually talk to wisps, you see I know wisps that are delivering eight miles line of sight, you know, I know wisps that are delivering 500 meg at short distances, right? I know some wisps that are self funded, you know But they're able to get a thousand dollar install fee. That's not all wisps, you know And of course the ones with government money can do whatever the the biggest thing is also, you know What if the customers don't come? What if you don't get the density you need for your two One year, two year, three year ROI calculation I mean the pre-sum data was the biggest thing that nobody's talking about that It was like a big like hello to me when it came out, you know, they they tout 200 plus subscribers per AP But the pre-sum data that came out the report was a few months ago Showed that the average number of our ends on a single bn on a toronto network is like 11 So I could do that with ubiquity too, right? I can do that with cambium. I could do that even with mimosa Microtech can even do 11 subscribers on a one bn and if you're running an 80 or 100 plus mega her channel Yeah, you can deliver eight 900 make. I mean, that's just simple math at 256 qualm or 10 24 qualm So again, uh, I it's it's an overall big picture. Some people can make it work In their business model. Some people are privately funded. Some people are funded by the government There's there's a lot of things to really unpack here You know much bigger discussion to have on, you know, whether it's, you know, It can work and again, is it right for everywhere, right? So it just doesn't scale in my book And you know, we'll just see again I want to be wrong. Please prove me wrong, right? Please drop your price bring the price down So more people can afford it to continue to do the things that you say Can be done all at the same time. That's just pick one or two, right? You know, we can give you distance or we can give you speed We can give you speed or we can give you not a line of sight, you know We can give you cost-effective or we can give you speed and distance. I don't know You know, they they talk about all the things that they can do and I just don't see it all happening right now And I would love I would love for a wisp because I'd asked this before in public and nobody ever delivers, right? I would like to see, you know this 200 subscribers delivering gigabit to everybody like they say it can and Nobody's done it so far. Nobody's shown it. I've seen people like with four or five subs saying, yeah, I'm getting 500 Meg. All right. Well, great, you know, good for you, you know, so your ROI is now 12 years Okay, congrats, you know, so I don't know All right, I'll stop next next next No, no, no, we'll just he gave you now and of course to be clear, you know, we're not really coming as from this is not Rf element as an antenna manufacturer Positron the market as a whole because I mean we've been doing this forever Honestly, we're getting old enough to the point where we're probably not going to be able to do anything else at this point So it's important to us that this market continues to run Uh, just if you try to put me in a suit somewhere. I think I'd literally die. So um Yeah Well, we need solutions We need solutions that are good for the market that are cost effective for this particular market again the the wireless isp Arena is a cost conscience, you know and still performance driven Sediment and we require those types of solutions. So this is not a knock on any one manufacturer Again, we knock on all of them and when they do good things we talk about it when they don't do good things We we talk about we care. We really care about the The wisps in this space for sure For sure. And you know, I think it's a telling thing too is like you see a lot of the Marketing documentation that comes out from them. Okay, we're 200 wisps and you know, we've got a thousand or whatever many thousands of base nodes sold and we cover 20 million population based on the A distance and a population center map or whatever and that's all good But they never really say and we also cover 50,000 subs or 75 or 100 or 500,000 or whatever it is, right? Funny how that is, right? Real funny. So now if the next one comes out, they're like, yeah, we've got however many thousand base nodes are recovering 500,000 Subscriber lines, and it's like, okay.  We'll tell everybody's like finally Yeah, well, then that'll be like, hey, it's it's cracking man. It's rolling and if that's what the industry needs Then or the industry needs to adjust to then maybe that's the path it goes, you know long term So, I mean, we've definitely seen it shift in advance and go in ways we never expect or at least I never expected Um, but at the same time, you know, I mean we could be entirely wrong That's where we think it's going to go now But I think with the current status quo where we're waiting on the hope and a dream A mystery hardware thing like the financials the physics The timelines and stuff aren't really to the point where it matters And even if we do get a good of them bulletin is too, you know that time Everything's done is two three five years from now by the time these big networks get built You know at the same time the fiber crews are just running full board everywhere Anywhere you turn around their stuff turning up so You know the the biggest benefit our industry has always had has been flexibility to be able to deploy where others can't To deploy quickly to run clean And if you're not doing those sort of things down again sitting stable waiting for The next big thing them, you know, you're gonna get our class and outrun Yeah, yeah, and there's and you know, again, you know five gigahertz right now is a viable thing You know, it's working and there are lots of wisps out there who aren't, you know waiting, you know They're they're looking at the future. Yeah, but they're still moving ahead with what they have right now Right five gigahertz still works, you know, uh testing six gigahertz in the side But they're not they're not putting all their kind of new growth and new deployments on on the back burner I mean, honestly a lot of the solutions out there, you know outside of torana, right? Which is like everybody else are still kind of cost-effective, right? So um, you know, you can you can do a five gig solution and kind of upgrade to six gig if you need it I mean quite frankly, you know, six gig isn't necessarily the answer I mean if five gig works it works you're delivering what you need six gig doesn't It doesn't necessarily get you more speed, right? I mean, yes, it is ax. It's a higher modulation rate But in most cases people are not going to use that higher modulation rate because the distances are going to be much shorter, right? So I think When six gigahertz comes out or a ax comes out I mean most people will be stuck at 256 or 1024 qualm anyway five gig does that now Right, you don't you don't need that stuff. Uh, you know, most people are running 40 megahertz channels I think the pre-sum data shows that 20 megahertz is still pretty much a very common thing So you can double your speeds by going to 40 megahertz and you could quadruple your speeds pico and 80 megahertz Now we're by it. So, um, if you have uh, you know, uh, growth needs you can do it If you can't run a 40 or 80 Now in in in five gig you're not going to do it necessarily in six either because I mean we've seen some of the Preliminary six gig spectrum and it's it's not as clean as you know, people think it's all virgin ground It's I mean people are destroying her already, you know, with uh, they're testing licenses and stuff like that So, I mean, yeah, or it's or it's green and clear for a minute. Yeah Yeah, a month down the road is going to get thrashed out to you Exactly You know, so we're a lot of that sort of bad behavior being done So and you know for us it is a bit self-serving to like stick on five Upgrade your stuff. You know, obviously, you know, we do the horns and everything too But you know, there's a lot of people right now that we deal with that are doing that sort of thing They're like, look, we've got these existing networks Even if they're not doing a lot of greenfield stuff now There are opportunities to go through and refresh and update some of your existing networks, right? So, you know, all those sector networks and rural areas that were built out five ten years ago You know, you can upgrade the radios. You can upgrade the horns add a few more ap's for capacity I mean, that's working really well for a lot of folks. Um, yeah When the ax five gig stuff comes with the compatibility of the 4500 series I think there's gonna be a lot of cool stuff happening there too, you know Yeah, five gig is going to be noisier But the base protocols are going to be able to handle it a lot better That we we've talked about that before also your power levels are a lot higher You know, you're capped at 30 to 36 depending on application of six gig where you're 36 the ap unlimited Cpe and five gig which means you can put a big dish on there Run those longer distance get those higher order modulation rates and really stretch that out because you know this dream like you said You know these 1024 496 quam Networks 10x 12x radios, you know their network sounds great if you're at half a mile Or mile two whenever that may be done and at that point if you've got the density and build you're waiting to do that I mean, honestly a lot of these can be done with existing 60 gig solutions that are out there now and be done reasonably With stuff that exists and you can use so and where the noise is not necessarily miss you too. So Yeah, there's there's a lot of waiting and I think a lot of places where you just again be better focused on building now and You know updating or or you know building even further when this new stuff does come out and you can roll with it Yeah, I mean There's I'm just a lot of wisps out there that are I see on their websites I mean offering like one two five meg packages and stuff like that, right?  I mean, you know, you're not seeing that in the testing because the a of c's not really working, right? But I mean, there's there's a lot of unknowns I would I would hate to see people build out these six gig networks and all of a sudden they're getting shut down Constantly kind of like what dfs does right?     Because we're going to get all the space if we're first ones there We'll get all this, you know, clean spectrum of stuff to use and what happened one Uh, I got noisy as shit in like the first six months, right? Because again, there's no gaa coordination or protection All the the co-coordination and help that was supposed to have been done Yeah, wink wink. None of that's done anything. Um, yeah, it's got a hard enough time keeping the system running Where it just said no drop all your ap's offline for a few hours and then when they come back everything It's scrambled channels. Like it's a bit of a mess, right? And again, yeah You know, it did give the benefit to get some more foliage penetration and stuff like that And that's great not downplaying that aspect whatsoever. I mean power levels were good, but at the same time this was the The the golden bullet and you know now people have gotten really sort of like You know, I'm worried The ymax golden bullet. I mean come on. You remember that 70 migs of 70 miles, baby And there was a lot of money spending the ymax stuff and none of it done I mean we went through it again with the lte solutions. I mean look at everything that was promised With these trimmed down whispered elte solutions. You know what? Uh, it's a big fart in the face. So I'm deaf. I'm definitely worried. I mean I have I actually uh, very positive about cbrs as far as the spectrum goes That's all great. What I'm worried about and what I'm seeing is a lot of wisps are Building their packages and selling their service packages based on acquiring the full gaa spectrum for themselves, right? So because nobody's out there right now. So they're able to run a 40 mega hurt gaa plus whatever their pal is, right and actually a lot of these guys out there I don't some some of the platforms. I don't believe are really participating in a sass right now, right? So they're running a full 40 mega hurt in the pal and a full 40 in the gaa So they get 80 megahertz of spectrum. They calculate we can deliver 600 meg But once, you know, everybody starts coming online and more More cbrs Wisps come online that gaa is gonna start getting trimmed down And then what happens when you don't have enough spectrum to offer the speed packages you're you're delivering now So that's really I don't think people are looking at that Close enough and they're they're you know, putting that with the cart before the horse or whatever, right? And and saying well, hey, you know, if I do a 40 and a 40 I can deliver 800 meg total And therefore I can sell 300 meg packages and that's just not going to hold up. Unfortunately. So Yeah, well, we'll see where that goes. That's that's that's the biggest flaw I see with cbrs right now what I see operators doing and it's it's really worrying me It's really worrying me. So we'll we'll see we'll see where that goes Yeah, it's got the opposite problem of the people still selling five meg plans out there.  I'm like they like I get that you're on a shoestring but like You know, you could probably spend a few more bucks to get this thing into this century, right? So, you know that that kind of cheeses me at times too because it's the same thing Like we still see people live there with rockets later like m-series or, you know AC platforms on like omnis or 120 degree sectors They get wiped out after 10 slubs and it's completely trash, right? And they're like, well, You know, we can't do anything or without other people's money. I'm like, well, no, you can there's so many self-funded successful operations or getting You know traditional styles of funding. So, you know, the credit markets drive up a little bit But there's still a lot of money out there available Where you can get the funding and not have to necessarily rely on the bill to become a savior But you know, reasonable business is with reasonable business practices. So like it still exists. It'll never go away Yeah, I mean, it's it's just like anything else in any business. You have to adapt for the time, right? So, I mean, yeah, I take a five meg package over and only nerd at right. So, I mean, that's that's still a thing, right? Um, but yeah, it it really doesn't cost that much money to get them into at least 20 plus, right? I think that that should be what's the what's the minimum now 25 by three or something like that Which used to be broadband? Yeah, yeah, and and honestly 25 by five or whatever it is is pretty decent You know, I mean, we know that the average household only uses seven megs, right? So Uh, again, you know, 25 by five is not very difficult to achieve and I mean, you could do that all day long with ac hardware Which is not expensive, right?  I mean at a minimum, I believe, you know For 90 degree sectors with, uh, you know any decent ac based radio out there and you can deliver 25 make Plans at least at a minimum, right? So Yep, so I don't know. This has definitely been the all been ranting shaking her fist at the sky segment What else are we complaining about? Oh, my knees hurt and uh, they pop when I stand up But I didn't I didn't drop a death bomb this time. So that's good. Yeah. I was actually surprised You didn't mean none of you need to lead into it, sir, but um But anyways, otherwise, you know, that's sort of the main feeling again We're you know, we kind of cover the stuff in the past, but again, you know I think a lot of what we're saying here really just kind of encompasses the feeling and You know what we came out of the show is everyone's like, yeah, we're really excited about the future But no one's doing anything now So, um, you know, it's like everything goes like, oh, I'm gonna lose all this weight I want to exercise and I will eat but they don't actually do it But you're like, man in the year from now, I'm gonna be hot, but you don't actually do it You spend all your time researching But you don't even try to do the things you know, like, hey walk a little bit, right?  So there's things you know, you can do now, uh, to to achieve your goals But uh, you just want to sit there wait for the next best, you know, weight loss Try those are actually a really good analogy and something that I can I can resonate See, I'm wearing I'm wearing my workout shirt today. I'm going to go to the gym Oh, yeah, I'm I'm in a giant hypocrite here 100% here, so And no point in even actually listening to what I'm saying about that You walk every day and you walk every day, right?  You're doing something, so yeah, it's the rest of the day. That's the issue So it's nice for some reason. I don't know what Anyways, but uh, but other than that, like I said, the show was good. Um, we only lost one man down for a little while But he bounced back so, um He drank quite a bit of bourbon again, which my wife was concerned She's like, I don't know how I feel about sending you to where bourbon is It definitely I was like I was like three steps to the airport I looked around and I'm like, I think they're kind of proud of it here because there's a bourbon side every 20 feet in there But um, yeah facility was really nice. I really liked the facility. Um, it was really convenient with the hotel and stuff The hotel was awesome. Yep. Yeah. Yeah, uh really cool space. So yeah, even the food and stuff like that Wasn't bad at all. So really, I mean again, whisper put on a really good show for whisper America I was quite pleased with the overall Everything about it, you know, even even the town, right? I mean, there's there was stuff to go and do around The show as well not just captive within the hotel, although the Marriott, right? There was two options I don't think the high it was as as good. Let's say most people hung out at the Marriott But whatever, I mean, it was it was it was fantastic good food there Good bar, good social life. A lot of people again after the show Got together and hung out and talked to whisper stuff And so so all that stuff was accomplished as well We raised a lot of awareness for Johnny's tailgate And then we hope for the tailgate in the future And that one day we can all live in a home where we have tailgates without giant holes on them So Johnny's exactly thinking about it, brother. We're thinking about you. So Anyways, all right. I think that about covers it for now. Well, you can go ahead and wrap this show up. So, um We will be doing more podcasts. We have been a little lax in our podcast We've been working on some internal projects just been slammed and everything else, but we're we're getting back on track here We apologize for those we get I didn't get beat up a little bit at the show They're like, what are you guys been doing? We're like, we've been doing stuff. I promise just not here But we're gonna get back to our guests here shortly. So if you're interested in being a guest You won't talk about your perspective, especially with how this is played, you know We we've covered a lot of different topics with guests because everyone has their own thing But you know, if you've got an interesting perspective you want to talk about Analysis paralysis or diversifying your network builds from future things like that specifically or or you know If you're using a lot of terrana and it's working great for you and it scales and you're happy with it Hey, we'd love to talk to you. You know, again, give us that information. We're more than happy to talk about it. So Yeah, uh, toss it as anyone looking for us Where all can they find us on various platforms and such? Yeah, you can find us all over social media on facebook and instagram You could find us on our forum forum rfe lab.com. You could always contact us through our website rfelements.com We're just right here on youtube or wherever you download Your podcast and stuff you can comment online there. All right.  Bye. Y'all be good. Bye. See you You


From Hollywood, it's time now for Bob Bailey as Johnny dollar Hello, Pat I got your wire. What's all this? What happened? We're still trying to find out the man calling himself Frank Bowers was killed an hour ago George Hanley one of the operatives. I had watching him was killed too. We've got a vague description of the killer Are you all right? Yeah, but I'm gonna be tired of with the police here Thanks, Pat Yeah, he was a good guy. I want to find out who killed him Tonight in every weekday night Bob Bailey and the transcribed adventures of the man with the action-packed expense account America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator yours truly Johnny dollar Expense account submitted by special investigator Johnny dollar to Universal Adjustment Bureau Baltimore, Maryland The following is an accounting of expenditures during my investigation of the Chesapeake fraud matter Expense account continued item 13 a quarter for some aspirin it turned out to be a long night Several homicide officers arrived at the double murder scene within a matter of minutes and got right down to the business at hand Frank Bowers had been shot to death George Hanley had been shot to death Lieutenant Tom O'Neill was in charge a big blonde man who seemed to know what he was about Okay, let's see that idea again. There you go Insurance investigator, that's right. Okay. What was your business here with these two men? My home office in Baltimore had reason to believe that Frank Bowers was really a man named John Reardon Reardon was supposed to have died five years ago I was sent out here to investigate it since there had been a $20,000 claim in the matter sure sure I hired George Hanley to help me out. He was keeping an eye on Frank Bowers I came out earlier tonight to give my hand in the shooting began any idea who did it a big man in a top coat and a hat I really didn't get a look at him lieutenant. I was busy with George Hanley. Sure you carry a gun Sometimes I didn't have one tonight. You tried to chase the killer. I said I was busy with my friend. That's right. You did Well, how was your investigation coming along? Frank Bowers fingerprints didn't match the samples I had for John Reardon, but it didn't satisfy me There were a lot of things about him personally. I couldn't accept I Harvest him a little last night and he got pretty excited and slugged me This was after I found out he'd been trying to call Baltimore who in Baltimore. I don't know Tell me about this harassing you'll make a check with the phone company Well, I needled him purposely trying to scare him into a blunder. I think I was doing pretty good I'll never know now What else you got say about your case? Well, that's about it lieutenant. It is Yeah, that's all I got to say because that's all I know about it next time be careful with your needling tactics I was doing what I thought best on the case.  Why you dad take it easy kid. I'll take it easy. I'm gonna blow the bell I'm sorry. You've had quite a night Nobody in your business or mine knows what's behind the door when he kicks it in I'm just a cop trying to get straightened out. So I push too hard sometimes. We'll get it taken care of Nobody walks in a man's house and shoots him down without somebody here and something or seeing something I mean somebody beside you my mental covering every house in the block in this whole area if we have to Bound to be somebody somewhere The dog at Lieutenant O'Neill turned out to be 100% correct. In fact, he turned out to be 300% correct Or by 11 o'clock the following morning his men had located three different people who had information about the brutal murders of Frank Bowers and George Hanley The first was a man named Randall who had lived across the street. He had seen Bowers open his front door and admit the unknown killer He said he wore glasses the second was a paper boy who had come to collect while the killer was there He stated that the killer and Bowers were arguing when he came up to the door The third witness a housewife gave the most important information as to the man's description He was a good deal taller than mr. Bowers. How much taller three four inches at least I saw him standing in the doorway from here. He had on a brown tweed topcoat. My husband has one just like it How old would you say he was? 45 have you ever seen him before no would you know him if you saw him again? Yes anywhere you got that good look at him, huh? Yes the porch light was on here's something dollar Lieutenant O'Neill had issued an all-points bulletin based on the combined descriptions given by the witnesses In the meantime his men had checked the local cab companies and found out that one of the drivers had carried a fare to Frank Bowers home at eight o'clock in the evening The cab driver verified the housewife's description of the suspect and added the important information that he'd picked up the man at the Airport when that was checked it was found the man had come in on a plane from the east at 545 in the afternoon He had used the name Orrin Williams Expense account item 14 $8.95 another long-distance phone call to Baltimore and Pat Kelly her Of course, I have to stay here I'm a material witness not to mention the fact that a Palomine was shot down Well at the moment. I'm just sure a guy named Orrin Williams flew in shot up two people and beat it If we had Williams, I'd give you the whole thing on a silver platter Well, this thing has gotten on a hand It's our business until it's cleared up. Hold it Pat. Yeah answer from Washington on your wire. Yeah Here you see Pat yeah, it is our business after all The lieutenant here sent a hurry up request to Washington on some of Bowers fingerprints I mailed a couple of days ago. They check out. I don't get it Bowers was John Reardon at the samples of Reardon's prints that didn't check out from Hugh Bryan Reardon's attorney Don't you dare don't open your mouth. I'll handle it when I get there Tell me about this fella Hugh Bryan According to the phone company. That's the man Bowers was trying to call in Baltimore. I told him all I knew and Lieutenant O'Neill listened thoughtfully It became apparent from that point on since Bowers true identity had been established through army records At the bulk of the case could be concluded not in Denver, but in Baltimore Expensive count out of 16 $216 plane fare and incidentals Denver to Baltimore I arrived at 10 15 in the evening checked with the Baltimore police who had been informed of the case by Tom O'Neill in Denver At his request, they'd taken no action as yet from the police station I went directly to Hugh Bryan's residence the house was English conservative and expensive the fire in the living room looked cheerful when the door opened Elizabeth Reardon did not look so cheerful Hello, Johnny. Hello, Mrs. Reardon Didn't expect to find you here. No, I suppose not. I never expected to see you again Elizabeth I have something to tell you don't tell me now. It's about your husband All right, I want to tell Mr. Bryan too. He's upstairs in his study wait Look, I've done what I thought best about all this and I'm trying to do what's best now It doesn't make any difference Johnny. I'm a married woman again. Huh? Yes Hugh and I were married this morning Excuse me. I walked in and watched John Reardon's widow alias Frank Bowers widow Now Hugh Bryan's bride disappear of a column stairway The news that she had married Hugh Bryan cleared up some of the small doubts in my mind When Brian came back down the stairs with her he looked anything but the happy bridegroom Hello dollar You're a late caller. Yeah, I'm sorry about that Congratulations. Thank you How did you come out and done for everything? Okay? No, everything's not okay. Well, what's the matter? Do I have to tell you? I'll run along upstairs Hugh. It's getting terribly late. All right, dear Good night, Mr. Dollar. Good night, Mrs. Bryan There'll be some men out to see you pretty soon Brian policeman Liz I think you'll be interested in what mr. Dollar has to say I don't understand you. I Wasn't in Philadelphia yesterday Liz. I was in Denver, Colorado I flew there to see John He's been alive and living there all this time You I'm sorry This is only for her benefit dollar. I'll tell it just once when it gets into court. It'll be different How did it happen Brian? John Reardon didn't die in that boat. No He was picked up in a day by a fishing boat on his way to Florida and they didn't have a radio on the fishing boat The first port they came to was Charleston John phoned me from there and told me all about it And this was 10 days after we all thought he was dead That part was all accident for sure. The rest of it was a little different Liz It was his idea you've got to believe that What was his idea?  I Don't believe it. He hated his life here. Yes, everything about it. He was in debt right up to his ears Of course, there was your money, but he well, I flew down to Charleston to talk to him He was like a crazy man kept saying there was a way out. I Didn't know what he meant at first then he came right out and said it was his chance to get away from all the things He hated he knew how I felt about you then how I feel about you now He said I could have you for a price. What was the price? Those checks he got every week from a New York bonding concern. Yes. What did they come to? 25,000 a year regular weekly payments. I could afford it. I could afford anything for you, Liz Did he come right out and tell you he hated me? He just said he wanted to get away from everything It went that way for five years. I believe I asked you to marry me every six months. Yes, but that didn't work out either and then one day Long game Johnny dollar How does it feel to be so efficient mr. Dollar? We don't have to go into that to we know I'll admit you did everything to throw me off and it threw me off Especially the fingerprints you provided didn't John reared and insist his name was Frank Bowers and do everything He could to make you believe that was true. He did too much to make me think it was true Where is he now? Where's John? He's dead, Mrs. Brian. Oh Truly dead now. He was shot to death last night by mr. Brian Mr. Brian also shot a friend of mine didn't you Brian?  It took you five years to do that And it took him one afternoon to decide he was going to come back The proof that John Reardon's widow is guilty or not guilty of a fraudulent insurance claim is a matter for Eastern Fidelity to decide The matter of Hugh Brian and two murders is matter for the courts Expense account item 17 same as item one expenses from Baltimore to Hartford item 18 $89 even car rentals miscellaneous, etc Expense account total $1124 and 98 cents Yours truly Johnny dollar Remember, please there'll be a new exciting story on Johnny dollar beginning next Monday next week a quiet sleepy little town in Mexico and a beautiful senior reader that Well, things didn't stay quiet and sleepy for long Jonas won't you yours truly Johnny dollar yours truly Johnny dollar starring Bob Bailey is transcribed in Hollywood Written by John Dawson it is produced and directed by Jack Johnstone Heard in this week's cast where Gene Bates DJ Thompson Hi, ever back will write John Daner Tony Barrett Paul Dubov and Forrest Lewis Be sure to join us on Monday night same time in station for another exciting story of yours truly Johnny dollar Roy Rowan speaking


So we're here at the Better World 2018. Hello, hi everybody, my name is Roman and I'm from STMachtronics. Let me give you a little guide tour around our booth and show you the key new things that we are showcasing here by ST or by our partners. One of the key and coolest new product we have here is our new system on chip combining STM32 and RF Transceiver. Let's go check it out what it is about. Exactly, this is a completely new product line. Opening the STM32 to the new type of products and applications. So let me introduce Natali, which is the product owner of this new line. Hello. So what is this new chip? What does it do? Okay, this new chip is STM32 with wireless. And so why are you showing bicycles and helmets and stuff like that? So we are showing that because we want to show the capability of our product to support BLE in a different mode than the usual mode. It means that we are in router mode and we are showing is a master and slave through BLE. So it's a nice way of showing this feature through this kind of application. And here you have some demos running it with the e-ink display? Yeah, so here we are showing like a smart home application and now we can control different applications within the home through a router which is there supporting our new device, wireless device. So is it on there? Yes, it's there. So we have three packages and here it's a QFN68 and we have also QFN48 and WLCSP100 and what we are showing is our product is supporting multi-protocol BLE and 802.15.4 so multi-protocol with also a concurrent mode with open thread and BLE 5.0. So is it on the SoC? Yes, exactly. Everything is on the SoC so it optimizes the power consumption, optimizes the price or everything? So we are having like STM32L4 plus an RFIP on the same silicon so it's really the same SoC. And what is the show here? So here we are showing also a nuclear board with our product and through this demo we are showing that all the commands on this bag are sent to our helmets and t-shirts. The t-shirt? Yes, t-shirts here so we have also our product here with a QFN. So it's so small it can be a sticker like a pin? Like a pin? Like a beacon, like a pin exactly. So it's like a plug and play board. How long is the battery life for a little battery? With a little battery for many months you can last. Alright, that's awesome. Thank you. I cannot tell you. So let's go around a little bit and on the other corner to show you a next new cool product we have. Alright. There's a big booth right here with lots of small partners. I can tell you, maybe you won't believe it but we have 40 different showcasing here on ST booth and we have 28 partners, makers, universities, startup companies presenting their products on the fan zone. But we'll go there, don't worry. So the next, next ARIA, and the next new product I would like that we introduce to all of you is our new NFC line with integrated PWM output channel. Alright, so is it right here, launched? Yeah, this is the ARIA that we are showing all the NFC related products, okay? And Juliana, I will tell you a few words about this new product line. Hi. So this is NFC on the SoC? This is an NFC tag IC. So an interface allowing you to work with the near field communication. And this is a very new one, special one, because this is what we call an ST dynamic tag, a tag that is coming together with the second interface. The second interface is in this case a PWM signal generation. Indeed. So where is the solution on here? The component is here. The component is there? Yes. Because NFC is shipping billions and billions and billions of tags there every year, but they're not dynamic most of them, right? No. Correct. So dynamic, what does it mean? It means that we are adding some second interface to the usual RF interface. The second interface is generally a wired interface. The most common one is to add a nice cross interface that is able to make the product communicate with a microcontroller behind. So this lets you get inside into any embedded electronics. Is this the development board for that? This is a discovered board. Discovered board with the solution on it? Yes. The solution is there. So what does it do? It allows, for example, the example that we have here with the washing machine to get access to the microcontroller which is handling the tool. You can do programming into the production line with this device. And this is a product that allows you to do the configuration without any power supplied because this is a passive device. And the solution is very compact. It's a small chipset. Is there an ARM Cortex M0 or something like that? No. No, there is no SOC. This is just a communication, adding communication. In this case, there is not even any microcontroller inside. Indeed, this is a brand new solution. There is no other solution like that in the market today. Nothing. It's the very first one that is coming to the market with this capability to add to an interface, NFC interface, a PWM signal generation that allows you to do some control of the variation of power. Like, for example, the lighting intensity can be directly set and controlled through the interface without the need of any microcontroller. So, when we in the future get like a train card or a smart card or something maybe there's a little button or maybe there's a little LED or maybe something like that? No, not really. This is an application really meant to... This is not for ticketing, for example. You have that for ticketing, but in that case, you won't have a second interface. This is a step ahead because you have the second interface to a tag IC that in general doesn't have. In this way, you can open and enlarge the broaden the capability of the chip and you can get, for example, a control of the lighting intensity in this case. Alright, that's cool. So, how soon is available? This right here is already available as board. You can find on st.com the data brief already for this device and we are going to ship it very soon. In billions of quantities. This is my hope actually. Alright, thank you. Perfect, very good. So, let's go just around the corner where we have very nice package. We decided to make the life of all our customers and designers easy so we combine all the hardware and software ecosystem into one package that we call STM32 Cellar to Cloud. Basically, it brings you all the necessary hardware, all the necessary software ecosystem including the deal with the operators. Is there a modem in here? Yeah, it's a modem and my colleague Ronan will give you a little bit more details about the solution. What modem is that? ST modem? No, this is a model from our partner Quectel supporting different technologies, 2G-3G, but of course also the incoming LT and BIOT network. And BIOT. Exactly. Alright, and it just talks to you basically? Yeah, so this is the hardware, right? But then also you get all the service, so you get the eSIM card access to the worldwide operator for both technologies and all the things there to be able to connect to the cloud. Alright, so let's check it out. Can you tell us a little bit more? Hello, yes, the solution is very simple. We connect the modem to the main board, okay? Yeah. And then the... Is this the modem? Yes, this is the modem, it's the same. So what does it add? LTE, NBIOT? Yes, LTE, NBIOT, Category M1 on Category NB1. It's already provisioned with the ME5, so we have an embedded SIM. I can turn the board if you want to show you. There is also a socket for the SIM, so you can choose with the GPIO, you can select either the SIM socket or the embedded SIM. Alright. And in our demo... eSIM, embedded SIM, yes. Yes, in our demo we have a network simulator. So we connect the device to our network simulator, which in two parts, RF parts, and the software that's run on this laptop. And this laptop is also connected to internet. So the data is sent from the device to the simulator and then to the cloud. And from the cloud you can also drive the device. For example, we can toggle a LED. And as you can see, a colleague of mine is also in Barcelona for the Mobile World Congress. So we have both the configuration and two different dashboards. That's our solution. This board right here, what is the name of that board? Yes, this board is the discovery board, which is based on the El Filtralo Power Microcontroller, which is the El 496. And the modem, we also have the second solution. This modem is also quite helping to be compatible with the PG-96. This one is the PG-96. And for this board, with the category M1 and NB1, we also have a 2G fallback in case. And is there a price for the whole developer board? Yes, the two kits are at the same price. It's $110, most or less in the main distributor. So this is going to help revolutionize the whole IoT over NB IoT kind of place? Yes, yes, yes. Because customers have a complete solution, they don't need to go in ST for the MCU, in Quattel for the modem. So also for the operator, all the solutions embed all the parts, also the cloud, different cloud access and technologies and protocol. HTTPS, HTTPS, co-app, MQTT and also LWM2M with the partners. How much is the power consumption on your board and on this board? The power consumption of the board is in stop mode. The MCU is 3 micro-humps. On the modem in category M1 and NB1 is 9 micro-humps in PSM, which stands for power-save mode. Soon, in Q2 this year, so you need to wait a few weeks, a few months and it will be ready. Cool, all right. Thank you for coming. Perfect, thanks. So basically with these three main lines, we went through the booth, but as you can see there are a lot of other subjects around. We show graphics, we showcase motor control. Basically this is our reference design, showing how to use our products like drivers, power components and micro-controllers for applications such as one. Exactly. And you see it's including the gimbal control, which is following the shooting video, shooting with the drone application. Exactly. So we have one interesting subject. Yes, we have now also solution around artificial intelligence, which is becoming very interesting for many of our customers. We have two solutions, one which is built around STM32. So we use the performance of the general purpose micro doing deep learning functionality. And for more the high-end solution, we are preparing a dedicated ASIC multi-core device with a lot of power to do very deep learning Neuron sites. Type C, power delivery, display port. Definitely, so moving with the new trend of type C solutions, today we have different products for stand-alone or micro-controller-based operations of type C. Mems, power management, sensors. Absolutely, so you know ST is providing many, many different products, not only micro-controllers, but we have sensors, we have signal conditioning, operation amplifiers. So the big advantage is that we bring to our customers really a list and set of components you can build around. It's not only about the products, we also bring all the different boards that ease the customer life and make his evaluation very easy and very simple. So you can go quickly from prototype to the final product. You have lots of partners or universities doing some stuff. Exactly, so you see here on the booth we focus mainly on the ST solutions, but since we have a huge ecosystem of partners, makers, universities, mainly around STM32, we concentrate a selection of a few of them on our fan zone. This is the STM32 fan zone and as you can see, there are really a lot of different things. How about we check this one here? Okay, how about this? So here we are in the STM32 education corner and here we concentrate a couple of universities from Europe showcasing their different stuff like student projects or tools that can help in the university during the education classes. Hi, who are you? Hi, my name is Andre Ile. I'm from the Department of Measurement of Czech Technical University. I'm actually in close cooperation with ST Microelectronics. What's going on here? Around here we've got a software-defined instrument. What that means is that it's a cheap way for students to realize their own oscilloscope or a signal generator. Software-defined instrument. What else? Arbitrary waveform generator. You've got a PDM generator. You've got counter. It's actually just for 10 to 15 euros. What is this board? Is it meant to be an oscilloscope? No, this is actually a standard development kit from ST Microelectronics and we use it. We programmed the firmware and we created a set of applications also for Windows, for Linux. They are all available online. You can download it. It's a very cheap way for students how they can realize their own domestic instrumentation and the price-performance ratio of this is actually very good. Are you putting all this open source or are you helping everybody else to do this? It's partially open source. At the moment the source code is not available but the binaries and the applications are available for open use and we are considering to unify since there are several applications we would like to unify it and then publish the source code. When you do an oscilloscope with this board how is it accurate compared to a proper oscilloscope? That actually depends on the AD converter that's in the STM chip that one is 8-bit so it's less accurate since the commercial ones are at least 12, 16, some are 24-bit so it's less accurate but as I've said we're selling points since it's for students but what's actually the good thing is the price-performance ratio so that's the main thing. What do you do on this one? This is a minimalistic solution and the main idea here is that the only two components that you need is the MCU and the voltage controller and you connect over USB and the trick is done actually by selecting the proper MCU which has USB bootloader you can actually just plug in here and you don't need this part which is in this one this is the ST link where you need the programmer so you don't need the programmer chip and you actually directly boot it over USB so by turning this switch you can switch between boot mode where you just download the firmware and run mode and everything works Do you think the ST development boards are all perfect? Do you have some feature requests for what we call? For me, I don't have a feature request at the moment It's pretty good what's there Yeah, I think it's quite quite enough Okay, thanks a lot Okay, let me jump over here Okay, perfect, so let's again just move a little bit around the corner and we continue with another university this time it's INSATULUS INSATULUS is showcasing here really different student projects and we'll have our colleagues here to introduce some of them Okay, Daniela, are you ready? Hello, perfect So, what are you showing here? So, we are coming from INSATULUS which is an engineering school in south of France and we show here the lab classes and the projects our students developed around the STM32 boards So, you can see here a Game Boy developed by our students a discovery STM32 board There's a Game Boy running there? Yes, it's a Game Boy You can play Tetris here if you want Okay And this is based Okay, so All right So, this lab classes is based on the discovery board which uses a lot of sensors And you put some stuff here? Yes, we developed our own board based on STM32 discovery board Nice So, is it great for the students to work with? They are really excited because this allows them to learn how to program embedded systems You can see here another project This is for the first year students It's a real-time system project implemented on the STM32 microcontroller And here This is master level project This is a master level project for the last year of master based on the player board which will manage all the sensors around the car to transform this car in an autonomous vehicle like a mini-hugel car Cool, autonomous Self-driving Self-driving, of course You can see the video here Self-driving car Cool Thank you to you Ok, so just to close the STM32 education corner, you see we also have a GH from Krakow And here what the guys are showing our solution which has been started as a project students But at the end they were so good so they were industrialized by their partner So they moved really from the student Make real product Exactly, so the connection between the students was there And these are like for example there's an e-ink Exactly, these are like a sensor note so you can see some of the data on the e-ink but they are also reported to the gateway and you see they have a couple of anchors around our booth and then everything is concentrated here on the server of the gateway It's the coolest thing when students can start making real businesses Absolutely, so and I think HGH is one very good example of their startup company which is really moving the student projects to the industrial versions Should we spin around there? Yes, let's go this direction to see So we move from the education We started from the demo parts of ST, then we look on the education But here we have some of our customers, so people that really develop final products based on different products of ST Ok, and one of them is Letty CA from France The project is very cool, let's check it out So what is Letty? Letty is a research center based in France out of Grenoble and we develop silicon material and research and also software solutions Are you creating the dream of everybody to have a drone that follow you and never crashes and stuff? Absolutely, this is what it is So what we're displaying here we built this out of a commercial drone and we implemented it with our sensor fusion software which basically controls the trajectory of the drone So are there any cameras or sensors? What's here? Absolutely, so we transformed the drone that commercial drone and equipped it with six time of flight sensors from an ST micro that you see here Time of flight? It sends a light beam and then measures the time it takes to eco back Is that like not IR? It's infrared It is IR? Yeah, exactly Precisely, and then it's able to position the drone and detect obstacles and their distance So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 3, 4, 5, 6 And that's the trick, that's enough It's never going to crash? It's never going to crash, so the trick is that it's a highly efficient piece of software which compiles on ST's STM32 Where's the STM32? The STM32 is right here and this is the original board of the drone, it's an F4 It's an STM32 So our context is M4? Well, yes, exactly And what is the software? The software is being developed at Letty, so it uses a smart algorithm based on Bayesian fusion and the trick is that we use integer numbers instead of floating units The beauty is that you get an autopilot, autonomous drone anti-crash solution How long is the battery? It lasts for 6 minutes Can we see the action? Absolutely And the additional weight is only 8 grams on that drone That's what makes it Do you plug the battery or something? Yeah, plug the battery And then you have this globe? Absolutely So we'll have it So Arnold's placing it, we'll have it fly into the sphere Is it a voice command? No, no voice command We're just going to enable it This remote for the takeoff order It's only just to launch it Okay So we're ready to take off So we move the sphere It's never going to crash Because all these drones are very fun, right? People are buying drones, but they're crashing them every 5 minutes And it's complicated to control Yes, there's lots of applications Obviously it can also be assistance to find the drone for pipe inspections and other applications So in this sphere is the third day, right? Or has it crashed? The reason of the crash is there's a lot of interference with the ambient lights because these sensors are actually working on certain light frequencies And it has to detect some kind of transparent things here? Absolutely, so there's reflection of a... Is it easier to detect something real wall? It really depends of the reflectivity So it depends really of the material How about a tree? We don't try it So we can say Is it good to adjust with the wind? Or is it only indoors now? For now it's only indoors because of the size of the drone But we want to make it on bigger drones with more sensors Ultrasonic So my dream, what I would like to have is two or three of them, follow me around and then they land on my backpack to change the battery Can you do that? We will try It has to work indoors, outdoors, everywhere We will try Is the STM32 fast enough for this? Yeah Approximately 10% of the CPU is used for the algorithm So you can think of new algorithms A lot Another application which we're running, we'll demo this at the end of the year It's a white cane for visually impaired people which we will equip with the same software on STM32 and other type of sensors No, no, it will be equipped on the cane and then it will connect to your phone and there will be an audio translation 3D space audio of your environment How about maybe you could have some feedback There will be also feedback like vibrations or something So thanks to the software and the STM32 it opens up a whole new breadth of application for all sorts of things The drone is only just an illustration of it I think millions of people are waiting for you to solve all these things Absolutely Thank you guys, very good, thank you So let's move around the corner again I told you We have a wide ecosystem of boards that are allowing our customers and makers to develop quickly And in supporting doing this we are also giving more than 5.000 boards free of charge during the show So people are coming in They can select one or two out of 12 boards They scan their batch and they will receive an email with the registration link to the promotion code to retrieve the board free of charge Just type in the address and ship No, the email address is taken from the batch So it's very simple They will get it shipped at home or pick it up there They will get it shipped to the mailing address they will put inside the system And I have here two guys we just registered a few minutes ago So guys, thank you So we are working in continental CBU and we are dealing with electronics for automotive in every day job and very based In Romania So what kind of stuff do you think maybe you can do with this So we registered for these free boards because also in the electronics is my passion and also in the free time I make small projects at home for different small home automation or now we want to build a small home near the city, the big city for the weekend and then I'm trying to automate Are you building a self-driving car?  Yeah, so at the job we are dealing with electronics for power train for automated gearboxes and in the free time home automation and Yeah, kind of Yeah, it's very nice We are in a business trip and we wanted to see it And they have some cool boards Cool Alright, thanks a lot Thank you, have a nice day, bye Perfect, so let's move on a bit Yeah And so we visit the education, we visit some of the makers and we continue here where we have another group of people doing cool projects So let's check out with these guys from Photon coming from Poland, they have a very nice robot for education from small kids to the teenagers and they will show a little bit more details about that Hello, this is a cool looking robot Yeah, thank you Hi, so who are you? So I'm Mike, I'm from Photon Entertainment Company and we are the manufacturer of this robot So this is Photon What's the name of this guy? This is Photon It's this little dog that likes light? It's not a dog, it's a robot A robot likes the light? No Teach children about logical thinking and coding So what we do is that we have four programming interfaces, I will show you in a minute and we teach them how to create code and how to make it move, make it react to the environment and how to make it alive Is it for sale? Yeah, of course, we started in August and right now it is for sale What's the price? So it costs 199 euros So how do we program it? Let me just put it on the ground So here we can see one Here we can see one of the programming interfaces So right now we created a program when we repeat to drive forward and then if the robot will see an obstacle it will turn right, if I hit play we can see the trope is driving and when I will show him an obstacle, he will just avoid it Nice So we have more categories we can make him drive we can make some sounds, we can change colors but also we can react to sensors The robot has some sensors inside so it can react to obstacles to the change of light, to some touch to the change of ground contrast as well as for the loud sounds and for the shakes from the accelerometers What is the chipset inside? So we use STM Cortex M3 from ST Company Also STM32 Yeah, STM32 So we did STM32 F103 but also we used some time of flight sensor inside which is great because it is really small and it was very easy Here, so it was very easy to put it inside and cover it with a glass because at the beginning we had some problems to cover the sensor but with this sensor it was very easy to do Cover the glass by glass and it knows exactly distance Do you think how far can it know? So right now we use 150 cm and that's completely enough for us, so that's great Do you have anything that it avoids to fall down the stairs or not? Right now no but still you can write some program to see if the contrast changed and then you can try to avoid it but right now... So do you sell worldwide? So we've launched in August because we are a Polish company which started with Polish market but this year we are going abroad we will be available in Germany, UK and some other European countries but still if you are interested just visit www.meetphoton.com and we will be sure to sell you one of this Cool! Royal! Do you like it? Did she buy one? Not really but she was in June in Poland and she played, she created some code photos and they like it a lot Yeah, for sure she didn't have one but she didn't bring her kids so they didn't buy one because they didn't have kids but still we will send them one They need one, no matter if Brexit they will need one they will need a Polish robot Yeah, that's true Are you planning to do bigger ones? Can you wash the dishes, clean the clothes? So right now we are very focused on photon so we will develop this product maybe in future we will do some more robots but actually we do clean dishes with photons we just need three of them create some code and then we will wash the dishes with them And bring the beer, right? We can have it on the back So what we do in our office here are the magnets so we have some custom accessories We have a stand for a beer or a bottle You can buy one to drive with a bottle This is the dream of every guy We have this, alright That's why we do it Cool, thanks a lot Thank you So we are with the robots and we have also another one which is quite cool and I think Florian from Konrad will show you in action Hi, so who are you? I'm Florian from Konrad Electronics Konrad is like a store in Germany, right? Yes, we have many stores in Germany We can medium up Better Better for the market makers Is this a real product in the store? Yes, this is coming soon It's a self-development It's a textbook We launched it in 8 weeks something and you can use your own computer board or something or Arduino with your own sensors or cameras and then you can do some great things So when people buy this is it a kit they have to build it? Yes, it comes in a self-building kit So all the parts you have to screw them together Yes, it comes with this remote controller with the PCB 18 servos What is this PCB here? This is the self-developed self-developed board You can use your own login board, nucleon or Arduino or Raspberry Pi or something How does it connect? It connects with What are these boards? The standard collector board? Yes, the standard collector board And then Sorry, I disconnected it But then what is this? A fan? This is a speaker A speaker? No need for a fan And it works even without the board So that means it has a brain even without the head You can use it with the remote controller directly or you can control it with your own login board And the big batteries in there? Yes, it's 4 amp batteries, 6 volts How long will it last on battery? It's different We have different modes to running and then you can run some hour or half hour when you take more speed And on this board can you program like a self-piloting Yes, sure You can automate it or you can camera or something You can follow some dark lines on the ground Can you add an arm to open the fridge take the beer and put it on and bring it? It's a very good idea Is it possible? Yes, sure it's possible So how much is this kit? It's coming soon in 8 weeks worth 599 euros All right, very cool You're welcome Thanks a lot Thank you I'm working around over here So there's more or more queues over here with the people As I said, there are really up to 5,000 boards But what I want to show you more is basically on the embedded board we know that some of our customers are coming and they would like to speak to our experts to our application engineers that know the product by heart so they know all the bits and bytes and here basically they can come and they can help to debug their application So this is a very important added value that the customers can come they are very much welcome and we can help them to develop their code So you have all the boards in here Yes, so this is the tool what we call STM32Cube platform This GUI has a couple of functions you can start with like a product selector You choose which arm you want Exactly, so You say I want a Cortex M7 Exactly, so you select Cortex M7 all the possibilities we have and you see there are really, really a lot of products there How can you have so many products? Because you know the idea from the beginning of STM32 was to create really big family of MCUs which keep maximum compatibility in between so the designer can use the same platform the same peripheries, the same tools whatever he is designing simple sensor up to very complex gateway and the software is compatible with one board for the other Exactly, so we keep the compatibility through our libraries but also on the hardware level so today most of the components are pin to pin compatible as well What's the software that people run mostly? So today of course most of the code is based on C and we provide libraries two types, one which is optimized on the code size and code efficiency called glow layer and the second one which is flexible, it's a hardware abstractor layer Alright, so it's easy to provide support for all these millions of developers Exactly, so you see as we saw they get the board here then they go to our web page they download the STM32 cube which brings them the bridge between the hardware to the software because inside the cube they can also configure the peripheries they want to use and it will generate the code for them Exactly, so it will prepare the project in your favorite IDE with all the peripheries configured with all the drivers there and you can start to develop your application code on top So that's why it says release your creativity Exactly, this is the main motto of STM32 because our products, our people and our tools are here really to bring all these cool things as you see here And the last one I would like to show you here It's a very specific technology from a company called Neonode Hi, so if you could help a little bit to introduce your nice technology to us Sure, so this is actually Neonode and what we do is we do interactive technologies I did videos with you in the past, you from Sweden right? Yes, correct And you have these, what do you call IR? Yeah, it's a laser based infrared system we use ST's micro STM32 bit across the M4 and we also use an ASIC that we have developed together with ST micro So here you have the lasers and the photo diodes on this side that we wire bond directly to the substrate and that way we build a module that actually interacts in the air looks like this So it's for air touch So it's air touch and the way you can actually see that This is a hologram right now It's a holographic display So you can actually interact with it The image is floating right now So by placing it in front of the image you can interact with the image and of course you can play nice music You can also interact with it in different ways you can be in communication You can always say a chopstick A chopstick in the air All right Yeah, I want some cash 500 All right Cool So it's a really interactive technology using the best out of ST What does it say here? Z-Force air These are the manufacturing steps So here you see the PCB that's the first manufacturer We put the optics on top of the PCB So the elements there are the ones that control the light flow And then we just capture it And you call it the ASCA 3D plate Yeah, ASCA the display technology from Japan called ASUKANET And we do the interaction technology based on then, you know, so that the display can actually do something more It's shipping The shipping from Japan, the plate and the interactive technology from NEO is actually available from DigiKey today Nice Okay, so the really last thing just to close our nice tour is here with STILL and let me introduce Barbara which will take you just a few words about their nice solution So hello, I will do very fast So I'm the creator of STILL We start up in Paris a bit in the station F And so we are station F in Paris The coolest start up in station F Exactly, absolutely Apparently the most silly smart object ever And in the video and here you're doing what So this is pen spinning and so what we are creating is the first connected pen When you can see here More interesting I invite you to see Alexi So first connected pen will allow us to play with you So we're creating an electronic card who's based on the ST microelectronics so all the sensors like accelerometer gyroscope and magneto We're sending the information via bluetooth in our smartphone and there behind there is an algorithm who can say us basically which kind of figure you're doing So the first chosen discipline is pen spinning and as you choose What do you choose here? So here are the categories you can try Let's take the expert And here you are you know the way with difficulty so there's no so much stuff So how do you choose what happened in the expert level What are you going to do? There is still nothing right now but there are fundamentals if you wish The first trick like thumb around I have to copy him It tells you if you did it correctly Exactly So you train with this then after you can do it with any pen and people are going to be mind blown Exactly They teach people to draw with their friends Exactly So this is the first kind of connected toy but the future of steel is much more higher We'd like to put together you know the material toys like a pen or even yoyo or frisbee what we can imagine to connect and to use the advantage of the digital world so the connection application, learning Is this for sale? Yes it would be It would be in Kickstarter at the beginning of June Is it going to be ready for Christmas? Everybody can buy We're working on it actually thanks to ST We found a solution to be possible maybe to do really until the Christmas Because Christmas will be a big gift How much will it cost? Between 60-80 euro it's still working on the prices Cool how long is the battery? The battery today on this prototype it's a five hours but full playing as you see Alex so it's quite comfortable for play all day without any troubles It would be challenging for keep on 8 hours Nice That's cool And potentially the app will have all kinds of functionality of recording what you just did and kind of show a 3D version of it Yes of course We'll actually be connected to some kind of let's say a clown or something and then the 3D clown is going to show what you just did That could be the best objective We are still not yet we're still working on it as you see it's a beta We are six today free on the technology part and free on the communication and market Station F is amazing You have to definitely see it I'm from Czech Republic And I'm French So it's amazing it's big and potentially you're the next billion dollar company Let's hope I trust in you that we are the next unicorn Cool Thanks to you Let me stop here Thanks for watching It was a pleasure to give you this guide tour in 2018 Embedded World It's a very important conference for ST Definitely because here we see Embedded World as a physical place where we meet with our partners with our community and we give them a chance to share and collaborate all together


Welcome to the session. Today I will help you with the following question. The question says, can a polyhedron have for its faces 4 triangles? First let's see what a polyhedron is. A polyhedron is a solid made up of polygonal regions called its faces. This is used as the key idea in this question. Let's move on to the solution. We already know that the smallest polygon is a three sided figure that is triangle. Let's have a look at this figure. This figure is a polyhedron as its faces are the polygonal regions. Now in this figure there are three faces and these are triangles and the fourth face is the base and that is also a triangle. So we say that a polyhedron can have for its faces 4 triangles. Our final answer is yes. So hope you enjoyed the session. Have a good day.


Go. Hey guys, how you doing? This is Rich from Rich to Be Live with a very very special opportunity to see a landmark in the world, Chichen Itza. One of the largest pyramids in the world. Over 1.4 million tourists come and see Chichen Itza every year and we are here today for my very first time. I couldn't be more excited. Welcome to Chichen Itza. This is a special place here. This is where they use sport. Where they would try to keep the ball in the air and then get it through those little hoops and this was like modern. This is like ancient gladiator days where these athletes would play and the winning team would survive and the losing team would actually die. So they played to the death. Amazing, amazing history here. Beautiful architecture. You can see the size of this field. It's just a soccer field, I would say, but the punishment for the losing team was death. So kind of like modern day gladiators, but instead of fighting playing sport where the winning team survives and the losing team loses their life. So pretty interesting place. Being on this field is very interesting because you can almost feel the energy of all the people that have played here and you can see enormous fields just absolutely enormous breathtaking. Oh, the sculptures over there. These are the sculptures of the winners and the losers.  And the winners celebrate their victory. This is the sculptures in the stones that have been here for hundreds of years. There's a sound here that is made, which sounds like a bird, specifically in this location here. More inscriptions telling the story of the winners and the losers of the game. So much detail in the stone. The stones tell the story. Wherever you go, you see these serpent heads. The detail and the serpent head of the stone. Must remind you these have been done for hundreds and hundreds of years. Our sculptures, sculptures in the stone. Inscriptions in the stone. This is where the Mayans used to come on this platform and you can see the structures and the scriptures. There's so much detail in these stones. It's unreal. And it's everywhere. Hey guys, this is one of my favorite places with Chichen Itza. You can see here all the temples. They say there's a thousand temples here and this was a landing spot for UFOs. Now nobody knows because this was hundreds of years ago. What exactly happened here? But it looks like there's a whole city here. So it looks like this was a place where lots of different things were happening. I don't know exactly what, but it seems as though there was lots of rituals here. A lot of different events. Obviously, we showed you guys the sporting event area. It was a massive field and you can see the pyramids. You can see all the sculptures and there's so many sculptures and stones that have stories in them here. It's unreal. We could be here almost for weeks trying to uncover everything. There's so much to look at, but I'm going to do my best to show you guys as much as possible. Take a look. So the Mayans are well known for all of this and they're also known for the Mayan calendar, which is detailed the amount of days in the year, the amount of weeks in the year. A lot of the sculptures, a lot of the stairs, a lot of the design takes into account the days and the weeks of the year. There's a lot of that in everything that we see here. So it's incredible that they created this hundreds of years ago, but they were so advanced when it came to architecture. It's a beautiful, beautiful architecture. Wow. These temples are just breathtaking. You can see panthers in these sculptures, in the stone. You can literally see panthers. These stones tell a story. You can see them in the mountains. Wow, it's enormous. You can see the detail in these stones. The serpents and it looks like little, like almost like monks on top of those serpents. The Mayans. Those are Mayans. I want to find a place where no one breaks their promises. Or maybe dry myself and something that is bottomless. Take me back to a place where I've felt at home. Take me back to a day where we've worked alone. Take me back to a place where I've felt at home. Take me back to a day when we've worked alone. Take me back to an age where the world felt small. There's always someone else who has a greater curse. a greater thirst, a hunger pain, and mercy. Just find whatever you got and try to be thankful First, I wanna feel again, I need a couple friends I never really understood just how the story ends But I can feel his tense, don't know the consequence The volatility of life, my only confidence Is this an argument? Or just a start of it? Either way, I don't wanna be a part of it Can I just get some space? I don't have the heart for this I can't be picking up the pieces, fixing scars from this Is this an argument? Or just a start of it? I wanna drive away so I can be so far from it Your promises, or maybe drive myself in something that is bottomless Take me back to a place where I felt at home Take me back home, take me back to a day when we weren't alone Take me back to a day when we weren't alone


Let's go to Trier, Germany, known as Augusta Treuerorum by the Romans. Obviously, this first picture is not of me in Germany. It's in Spain, but I wanted to establish some creds with you guys. I've been teaching Latin for 18 years now. I've been studying it since the late 1980s. And, of course, obviously, if you're studying Latin, you're studying the Romans and you could say it's a special interest of mine. First things first when you get to Trier is you've got to park your car because I went with my dad and we drove. Instead of taking the train because driving took two hours and the train took five and to make a day trip of it, we drove. And as you can see, it's a modern city with street signs that have been dinged up. It almost looks like they're from Wyoming with the amount of looks like buckshot in them. And then after that, we went to the Hauptmacht and had ourselves some lunch. We had Doner Kebab, which at this point in time really is authentic German food. As you can see, it's this nice, renaissance-y, looking car-free, well, mostly car-free plaza. Very pleasant. And in the background, you can see the Porta Nigra, which I am super happy to be at. I don't even know what to say. Anyway, the Porta Nigra is probably the most outstanding piece of Roman architecture left in Trier. And Trier was a really important Roman town thanks to the Four Stooges. My daughter is there with them. But wait, Four Stooges. No, no, no, no, no. Tetraarchs. Tetraarchs. That's right. Diocletian reformed the Roman Empire to have not one, not two, not three, but four emperors, two senior emperors, known as the Augusti and two junior emperors, known as the Caesares. And one of them set up their capital in Trier, Germany.  Who's this jag off? Karl Marx. He's not one of the Four Tetraarchs. Get out of here. Anyway, back to Porta Nigra. It's a really cool structure, and it was one of the four gates in the wall surrounding the ancient city. And as you can see, it's a pretty big structure. It's three stories tall with a little tower that's up on a fourth story. And Trier had, by about the third or fourth century AD, reached 75 to 100,000 people. A population it wouldn't see again until about the early part of the 20th century. Give or take, depending on the exact population of Rome and Trier. Anyway, the cool thing about the Porta Nigra is that they will let you inside of it for the princely sum of four years. And you get to just wander around. And as you can see, it's incredibly well preserved with all sorts of arches. And the stone fittings are just incredibly tight here. Well, most Roman ruins do you think of. They aren't like complete buildings or anything. And if you look out on that plaza from the Porta Nigra, you can kind of get a hint as to how this building survived. And the answer is get turned into a church, which the Porta Nigra definitely was. So that little plaza, I forget exactly what it was, some sort of cloister for the priests and nuns running the church that was in the Porta Nigra. That helped keep it in such a fine state of preservation. Well, inside of the Porta Nigra, the Germans have a fascination with scale maps that are 3D, which is really great. And I've labeled up a few things on here. So the Hauptmacht where I have lunch is indicated with the red dot more or less. And the Porta Nigra is straight down from there, which is where the map is. So, yo dog, I heard you like maps. So here's Trier inside of Trier. Oh, yeah. Anyway, the next thing I'm going to show you is the Roman bridge. I think the Germans call it Roma Bruca or something like that. And then marked in blue is the Barbara Baths. Anyway, the bridge going over the Moselle is partially modern and partially Roman. The reddish part you see on top is modern. I want to say that was put in the early 20th century, but the foundations below, they're kind of the blackish stone bits. Those state back to the second century AD, which is the 100s. I believe it is the oldest Roman bridge still carrying traffic north of the Alps. It's kind of tricky to call this a Roman bridge, but the foundations and piers definitely are Roman. Nice little walk across. There's not a whole lot to see on the other side. But on the Trier side, if you turn around and start coming back, you wind up at the Barbara Baths. I'm not entirely sure what this would have been called in Latin. Probably Termae Barbarai or Termae Barbararum, something like that. I couldn't find a good source for it. Anyway, they're incredibly ruined. It's surrounded by a residential neighborhood and they've got some raised walkways and you can walk around, but you have to apply some very serious imagination to it. The baths themselves, if you only read popular accounts, you might think that they're kind of a debauched center where all sorts of orgies and stuff happened. But in reality, it was more of kind of like a fitness center and swimming pool and maybe a library. You could definitely work out there. You could definitely get yourself cleaned up and you probably need up and make some business connections there. Some Roman baths also featured libraries, so you could take care of your mind while you took care of your body. Anyway, most of it's in ruins and very definitely not the sort of thing where you go and say, wow, this is really spectacular. You have to apply a lot of imagination here. Even so, worth the price of entry, which is zero. The next thing I want to show you is the Aula Palatina, which, like the Puerto Negra, is a Roman building. I want to say this one was built around the year 400, maybe a little earlier, maybe a little later. And it's really impressive. I didn't go inside. I don't know why, probably because I couldn't figure out how to get in. And I was too lazy to really get to it, but it's a very impressive building. It's quite large. It's quite imposing. And as you can see, it's made of brick, but certainly in Roman times, that would have been covered over with stucco. Absolutely one of the coolest places, has a nice little plaza in front of it. Get yourself a beverage and maybe a cold ice cream at the snack shop nearby. It was built as a Christian building, so it was a church. It still is a church, very well preserved. And maybe you like and subscribe, drop a comment or not. I don't know that I care. And the last thing, it's not Roman, but it definitely has some Latin written on it. Nescatis quahora dominus veniat, if I can remember that right. It's awfully small. Let's see if I can say the German right here. It's at the Liebrau in Chiarca. You don't know when the Lord is going to return, and that's all I've got for you.