Hey everyone, welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two Episode gosh was this 33. Holy crud 33 episodes into I don't know the This is this is almost a reboot because like we sort of rebooted with season two, but you know what? You know what? I'm happy to be here because this podcast almost didn't happen So shout out to my goddessie and you we coming through last moment to fill in We're gonna go around the room and basically introduce everyone and get into what we've been playing lately Let's start with the non-descript profile picture Yui, what's going on? Who are you for starters and? What are you been playing? Hi, my name is Yui. I am a youtuber a cosplayer and a streamer and lately I have been playing hyperdimension neptunia rebirth three on steam Hell yeah Well, I was another that would have been the shortest and quickest introduction to a guest in the history of the podcast I don't know what else to say.  Mike Odyssey He has like the longest intros and the longest outros Speaking of I guess Mike, how's it going buddy? What do you are you? I don't know if anyone knows who you are anymore I Want I would like to introduce myself my name is Mike Odyssey from now on I'll be talking with this accent because nobody knows me. So nobody knows what my real accent sounds like and I've been playing Mario Mario Mario Mario Mario and Mario Yeah, I don't you have like a marathon going on. I do I got a 61 day marathon, which is a big mistake, but I Started too early. That's the thing. I'm like, I'm like, what is my remote mark? I started it and I'm like, wait 65 days away. When is it coming out?  It's coming up It's over. I'm like at the end of my tour. Not even at the beginning. I'm like You know, I might as well right might as well because I'm in looking to stream more So you might have to get into some of the side games if you run out Yeah, yeah, I'm playing through every single Mario game We already played Mario one two and three day one Mario's Super and Super Nintendo. Did you beat me? I did. Yeah on day one. We did Mario one two and three And then on day two we did Super Nintendo Mario world tomorrow world and we started Mario 64 And that's where we left off tomorrow tomorrow will continue with Mario 64 then we want to Mario games you can really zoom through if you know, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so you just play so you play the credits You don't play for 100% Well for the first I wanted to get through the first games The one two and three really fast. So I went ahead to speed running all three of them and and but Mario 64 moving forward just because 64 is one of my favorite games, you know, it's 3d Mario now Yeah, now I'm not my little one hundred three stars I'm gonna get enough stars to beat Bowser and then move on. Okay. Yeah, so you're just going to beat just the credits Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. I mean, that's that's fair. I mean to 100% especially we know and do it very often That's not I've seen people in the lead-up to 3d all-stars coming out 100% all the games But these are people that have 100% of them all several several times correct Who doesn't know how to 100% like off the back of my face off their back of their hand like that's You're like googling where is this star? What do I do? I mean, I've already a hundred percent all of them by the way Just just yeah, you see he's yeah in the past. Yeah. Yeah, he's just one. He doesn't want his question in Mario gaming credit That's like yeah, that's his franchise. There's a Mario Living Mario. It's my thing. Oh, I'm wearing Zelda today though. Okay.  So that's basically six games And I don't know why you do X but you got to do X at some point. That's seven games This so three of which may take you about 20 to 30 hours And then the other four will take you like a hundred eighty two hundred hours, which I think with Mario Yeah Other people wonder what he's talking about while there's technically Four main game releases the DLC they release is like all standalone So like you can play it. It's don't think you don't have to play the prior game Yeah, that's me starting the friend where he gets confused it doesn't play the Zeno by three What I thought there was only three plus act Yeah, yeah, so defendivision added an epilogue story. You can play separately Zeno by two had a physical release literally a physical release It could you could play it on its own as its own game. It's like a third. It's like a point of 30 hour RPG Already depending on how much you want to complete And then they think presumably Chronicles 3 and future redeemed as well We didn't get a physical release but still substantial. So yeah, there's a lot a lot of Zeno blade love I mean look you want to talk about marathons. Just like hey the next Final Fantasy game. Good luck. Mm-hmm Good luck. You know blades bad try to get through all those bad boys. Good luck And and that's if you don't count Final Fantasy 14 online because Especially if you're playing that from like a level one good luck anyways, all right I'm just what have you been playing lately? I presume not the entire Zeno blade series. I'm waiting I'm waiting for that one. I replayed Zeno by Chronicles 2 Recently to play three when that came out last year, right? So that was a build up for that So I'm gonna wait for my and I play already beat a future redeemed I did that before tears of the kingdom. I'm gonna wait for my massive Zeno blade marathon You know eventually I'm not sure what you're getting at with the fuel or lack thereof I think he's trying to advertise that he's sponsored by G fuel. Oh He's just plug-in code Nintendo Prime anyways, I Have been playing Cuphead.  I got to like 32% on my own then I stopped because Things and then my cousin came over and he was like, hey, let's play something together. All right, cool So then we played Cuphead But the thing is when you play co-op, it's harder for me to focus So I wasn't playing as well But we still were able to go from zero to 56% and within the two visits while he was here And then I was like well he beat more levels than I did so I kind of feel like I'm worse I was revisited every level we beat together on my own and I beat them actually pretty quick So now I'm realizing that I just suck at paying attention when there's someone else playing with me But yeah, that was awesome. Yeah, I recommended it. He try out Celeste because Celeste That's another one. Yeah. Yeah, so good, but Painfully challenging. Yeah. Yeah, I've watched speedrunners play it. I think I'm like nope. I'm good. I Do love you some Cuphead though It's good time It's a satchel in kind of like Mario game type right? Yeah It looks like an old Disney cartoon And there's platforming but also shooting like most of the levels are actually boss fights. Ah, I see. Yeah, yeah It's it's it's pretty difficult in its own right. So there's some later stages in that game that Give me some nightmares, but it's really really fun It's really fun and really fulfilling and a lot of people are excited There's a reason they made a show a cartoon show out of it now No, it's really popular and and a lot of people are waiting for the next one to come out So it's gonna be I'm pretty excited for that And I believe it is a real one switch even though I beat it on Xbox pretty sure. Yeah, it is on switch I don't yeah, it's on switch gets portable. I think you and play it plays just fine on switch I Eric has it on switch. So yeah, it's great. It plays just fine. Yeah, all right cool As for me I'll be honest. I haven't played too much over the last week If you just had a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that have taken me away from my usual routine But I did play a few things that I have played a smidge of Madden 24. Yes, that that technically is an out till Friday, but You guys know I'm in a bunch of Madden League So I always I got the deluxe edition for 50% off during a special sale So that means I got to play as of Monday night and Eric came over. I believe So we we play we started our own our own little league to Eric and I always do every year against each other And already got through our first Super Bowl Congrats Eric on the comeback win and double overtime in the Super Bowl. I can't believe I blew a 20-plus point lead in the fourth quarter But you know things happen and then Yeah, I did that that's pretty much all I played over the last week. I I did Technically spend an hour in tears of the kingdom. Mm-hmm, but I didn't accomplish anything which I guess that happens in that game.  Mm-hmm. I mean Okay, because I already beat the game So now I'm just like doing side quests and stuff and they're parts of the world that I technically haven't explored yet That I'm just exploring to see what changes especially in Hyrule And so I'm just sort of running around a lot right now But yeah, so I guess I technically played it But to me it didn't really feel like I played it because for the first time I didn't I played it that I didn't complete a side quest or I didn't like do anything I didn't do any Korok stuff. I literally just ran around pretty much doing nothing So, but it was fine. I didn't that's that's the view. I love that game because exploration is so fun I'm just traversing the world So that's really all I did over the last week. I had Way more plans to play more games, but you know life happens That being said I guess we can jump into our first topic this week Because this seems to be a topic that everyone was talking about I I Make just because of the lack of news because it is a bit light on the news over the last week Besides the Pokemon presents there hasn't been a whole lot going on which happens. It always happens There's always calm before big events and we have September coming up which is typically a Nintendo direct time So usually like January is really really like boring for news because all the news is being saved for the big direct And same thing happens in August things get really dry Because we're heading into a direct. It's just the way it is. There's no marketing as an example They're pretty much not even advertising mario wonder, but they will once the direct happens All they're advertising is regurgitating information. It's already been made public Yeah, there's like nothing out there, which is which is just what happens the calm before the storm They are at gamescom So we potentially could get some mario wonder stuff from there could could be a demo or something So we might be getting some news Even sooner than the direct thinks the gamescom and paxpress and nintendo live depending on what they have available to play And including maybe news on mario rpg I don't know what we could get unless they added new content and if they added new content That's going to be really exciting to talk about But again, I don't know that they would announce that until a direct anyway, so It seems that nintendo direct stuff's coming up and Partially we could think Sort of jeff grub. He was like the first person to really mention it Granted he mentioned it like a month ago I say and that yeah, I know a direct is happening in september But that's not news because it happens every september and that's pretty much it It hasn't been any other like Person out there talking about it. So we don't have any like leaks You know, not even four chans dropping fake leaks right now Like no one's really talking about it Which is why now everyone's starting to talk about it because we need something to talk about And this direct is interesting for a number of reasons And some among that is one of the last talking points I had is this could be the last direct dedicated exclusive to nintendo switch Could be Could be we might get one more Possibly depending on how they want to handle announcing and marketing for the next system But even that direct if it does happen could be a little bit lighter And dropping big name games if they're saving it for the console reveal if they haven't revealed it yet, but again That's sort of next year's problem. We'll worry about next year when we get there We're worrying about this year. We got our big direct Coming up. They got to advertise holiday titles.  Now i'm on record say in september 6th Happening right after nintendo live is done Same here. Literally. It was going to say the same thing. Look at that. Is this a universal agreement? Yeah, it's not just gonna be like always yeah, so Usually directs happen in either the second full week or the third Yeah, yeah, all right So the sixth would put it in the first full week right because there's a few days It is a full week is like every single day of that week is in that month Right. So the first few days of september it's it coincides with august, right? So first full week would include the sixth I have acknowledged that as a possibility Um, it's one of two options for me. So that or the week after on the 13th Like I think it's coming happening on a wednesday So I got I got something for you. I actually was digging into this They have a really big habit of dropping the direct literally the same week as tokyo game show and doing it the day before it starts Um, which would be the 20th Which isn't unheard of that's a wednesday. They usually do wednesdays. It's fine. It's what they did in the past And I was looking at it and I'm like the 13th makes sense, right?  It's a little bit removed from Uh, the nintendo live stuff He gives yourself a little break from that and then it's also before tokyo game show happens Which nintendo by the way doesn't participate in it besides business meetings. So it's not like a big news time for nintendo anyways, but uh It is interesting that I've I realized that like half the time. It's literally the same week And I kept wondering why why the sixth? Why why do I keep going with the sixth? You know because yeah, nintendo live is done You know on the fourth or whatever Why would they just go right right into a direct and I kept going You know what it's because they don't have a whole lot going on until the following month. So maybe It's just time. It's just time to promote a bunch of stuff Now maybe they don't need to because They'll just be riding off interviews and anything else that happens at gamescom and packs west or whatever, but I don't know. I I just had this feeling for a long time that Literally over a month that the sixth was my target date I don't know what what like why do you feel so strong about the sixth? I think I think it's no I think it's because almost it's almost the same reasons you you mentioned something about the sixth that kind of Pointed to me thinking that nintendo wants to go early in the month You know so that they have you know You know that they have a lot of things to announce and they want to make sure that they get they get a bit ahead of time Instead of in the regular the mid month and just because this is a this is not like every other year We are in transition year. It's a transition year. It's like this is the last holiday. Think about it for the switch The last holiday season for the switch Or is it? Delph, right? Or is it? Or is it? Maybe not.  Hopefully But yeah, I I just I put it I put a tweet I think it wasn't like a month ago Also, I put like a little fake kind of youtube nintendo direct announcement on you on twitter or x x and You zed it. Congratulations. I zed it. I zed it the The little announcement and for the pokemon presents to I got that wrong I guess but you're probably gonna get how you get the other thing wrong to do could have an indian world coming up too Yeah, just throwing that out there But I think I think nintendo has a lot to announce. I think they're gonna, you know, they have 48 40 minutes roughly Game was coming in the first half of 2024. That's that's I think that's the announcement I think it's gonna be under six And I think it's gonna Let me go on Yeah, I was curious why you guys thought the six of you. Is there anything Other reason why it you think it's a sick other than it just feels like a good time to do it early I I said it was a good time to do it early as well as just the massive Like we're saying the massive amount of games that are coming out I keep talking to my friends about this just like, oh my gosh My wall is going to cry and then end up coming months got mario wonder. You've got mario rpg remake you've got Allegedly the the sonic game All these all these games and all this stuff coming out. I think it's a very good time to start talking about the software But you know, if not the six is dance the 13th, then you know, it's sometime next month, you know Sonic doesn't have a release. Yeah, Sonic does have no release date for sonic yet, right? Right, but allegedly allegedly it's sometime in october, but I thought it hadn't released a double check. Um Well, the one thing I was I was thinking about when I made this prediction a while back is I don't know what it is. They they haven't done this for other side scrolling mario games But because this one feels like it might be a bit more in depth than our typical I just feel like there might also need to be a little space in there to drop a mario direct And I don't I don't know that they're going to do it But If they think this is a potential to be a 20 million seller, I can see them thinking. Hey, let's just do it anyways Yeah, I can see it. I can see a mario Because I mean it's pretty well, I can see a switch only addition of the mario for the holiday Don't don't do this to me mike. I don't need another switch. Oh, that they're trying to they're trying to get it out They can drop a light and I'll take a custom light. Yeah, I'll throw one of those in the collection Yeah, I went to my local my local target. I saw an entire You know that bottom part where they have all those switches An entire area all they have was switch old led Tuesday the kingdom of editions and on the other side they had the old led The white and on the other side they had the the base model and then the other side They had the the light model. So I'm pretty sure that they they're trying to if they have Some switches they want to get Righto, I'm pretty sure they can take some of those repurpose them and and give us Add to joy cons to them make it a wonder, you know, they don't have to do anything to the actual Console itself just make some really cool joy cons and it adds to it and that's the addition for the wonder, you know Um, I feel like it's a possibility. We can get a one. Yeah, I mean we get old leds. Um for most of the big seller games, right? So I think That that makes a lot of sense. Um that it could happen. I I I would have assumed That it would happen if we didn't think switch to was not so far off, right? Like I feel like at some point or another There may be a gap or we don't see any more like special additions Um, but I mean if switch to is like a second half as long as there's like a six month gap I feel like they can get away with a lot of special additions not to say that they can't be some shortly before Um, but uh, yeah, I mean, I think it's a good chance of that in terms of like the direct timing I As I said, I think there's a great chance it could be on the sixth But I also think there's an equally great chance it could be on the 13th I like the idea of the sixth because if metro prime 2 is getting shadow dropped as has been The jet it hasn't the rumor hasn't said it's getting shadow dropped, but it's been said that it's coming out soon So it's kind of like you you connect the dots, right? Um, if this is to happen It would be weird Um to shadow drop it on the 13th because the pokemon dlc also drops on the 13th So but of course, maybe they'll just do both because they Nintendo had no problem releasing primary master in the same week as Curries returned to real men deluxe, right? So it's possible. They could still happen the 13th But the sixth I definitely see that and I'll definitely and I'll also say that We need to get news soon because mario wonder does come out october 20th Um, it's a major game. They do need to talk about it. I don't know if it's gonna be a mario direct I wasn't thinking that but you know, maybe um I will say this though I I think what we have to be aware of Well, we don't have to be but I think something maybe we could be aware of is that There is probably going to be mario wonder news Coming before the direct the same way we were getting pikmin 4 trailers and news before it the direct did it before it came out I think the same doesn't happen with mario bros wonder So once we get if we get a mario wonder trailer, don't just start thinking oh, I guess the direct's not happening No, it's probably still gonna happen. I mean we can get a trailer as soon as next week Nintendo's a gamescom. They could have as part of opening night live For sure or a couple weeks from now. Um, yeah, so it could be a literally We had a pikmin a new pikmin 4 trailer like a week before the june direct. So Uh, yeah, um, I think that news is coming Nintendo definitely needs to detail this stuff and I also think the nintendo, you know, they They gotta tell us about next year. We don't really have we don't have any specific release dates And I was looking at how nintendo's handled the last couple directs And when I took a look at them It seems like we should maybe expect Four major games to be discussed either getting announced for some time next year or more details on them with specific release dates, right? So we look at Luigi's do we have like a separate topic for potential predictions or That's all part of this one. Okay. All right. So, um, we look at luigi's mentioned in the peach game, right? I think it was a high likelihood those games are going to be detailed further in this direct I think we'll probably get specific release dates on those they feel like first half of 2024 games And i'm also thinking that assuming we get four as we did in this in the last two years for september directs There'll probably two new nintendo games announced for next year or um, maybe prime force technically already announced But you know the detail that with the actual details Maybe it gives more of a release window And one other game That could be it. It might not even be prime four. Um, because if prime four Is going to be a cross gen title, they might wait until early next year to detail that with um Switch two, so it might be something else. Uh, maybe a couple of the remasters I'm gonna keep some things close to the chest that I don't want to say yet, but yeah I think there's probably a direct and we're gonna get I could spill the beans on everything coming direct You could say you could say It's my predictions are part of the deal. Well, what's your predictions Mike? This is what I think is gonna happen two and three dual pack Metro prime four announcement for the fall of 2024 They could say it because it's part of the switch lineup. Anyway, it's gonna be part of the switch Because it was out it was announced for the switch. So it could be a dual Gen game, but they don't necessarily have to wait until they announce the next gen console to announce the game So they can just say uh, they don't even have to give us the gameplay because it's so that would be so bad Yeah, that would be you can't you can't just show the logo again and say coming fall next year if you know Mike i'm redoing this they can't bring it up again without showing it They can't what I can't see what I can't see is what we heard in the league The the fields like maybe like a pan of the fields So we can take kind of kind of like a feel of what of how it looks, you know And then they just pan that art that they put up on their twitter profile. Yeah And it's another six years until we see the actual gameplay Yeah, I I do wonder why they didn't show prime four when they revealed primary mastered And it could be one because they want to save it for when they show off switch two But it also could be as simple as they had an idea that prime four is a second half of 2024 title So they just didn't want to show it off like, you know more than a year and a half in advance But now there's a september direct as opposed to february direct If it's a holiday release or sometimes the second half, you know, it's maybe within 14 to 15, you know within 12 to 15 months from now, right? So Maybe now is a good time to do it's not too far off But i'm not assuming that i'm prepared to for it to not be showing off until Sometime early. I will dress like prince. Well, we already have prince speech thing out there, right? I will dress like donkey kong if we don't get a metro prime four announcements What was the other obsession with cosplay? I kind of do probably I don't know why Every bet you make is about dressing up Anyway, but i'm sure we're gonna probably need a metro point my metro prime four I think we're gonna get more mario wonder because I feel like there's more like you said There's more the mario wonder, you know, there's more power-ups out there than just the elephant I think that's just one of them and it's the most surprising one. Um, I think somebody put one in a hippo for For uh, who was it that was hilarious like a hippo for um, peach for peach. That was that was just hilarious I think that was the uh, nintendo land It but it wasn't it but I think that's not real though. It's just that he just It's not yeah, it's a render that there are those purple hippos So I think they're all gonna be elephant. So I think they're all gonna be elephants I think it was confirmed that only mario is gonna beat the elephant Like it wasn't it was not confirmed. It's just speculated. Um, I'm wording on their website. I sincerely hope it's just mario Yeah, um, I want to see each Yeah, I mean, all right. Um, we're getting transformations. I agree with that. Oh, no, we're definitely getting Yeah crazy zonky transformations, but yes, um, I would be just happy if it was just a mario that was the elephant Yeah, I think you all be elephants. I'm cool. I think you could be the elephant in the room giraffe peach or something It would just it would be cool if it was a unique power up item Like the characters have a little bit of unique movesets. It would be kind of neat But also I always remind myself of all the other power up items. They just get the same powers. So I mean Hmm Maybe there's just maybe elephant mario is just the beginning and there's like a whole line of Animals, they all can become what if what if doki-kong is one of the playable characters? I'd be a surprise playing off the playing off the the mario. I swear if that's a playable character and then that's This is the dk game No I could see I could see them introduce the camp if it's like meant does cross-motion for a dk game Or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. All right, Mike. What else what else you got for predictions? So is that it? So I got I got released dates for the presence presence peach game and luigi game I think they're they're both coming in january and february. I think we're we're getting um, um Shadow drop two and three metroid. I think uh, uh, zelda games ports in march not this year um So I have I have I have my predictions list around here So, um, I did put switch to in in my in my video, but that was just like for fun This is just to get people right up and I did I did I got some people right up But it was fun. It was a fun. It was a fun video. Um, do you think the switch to is getting announced? I saw your predictions. I personally don't I personally don't think the switch was gonna get out So that was more of a fun. Yeah It was clickbait. It was really fun to do. Um, the the entire video was My wish list it wasn't like a new video or right a wish list video um dream scenario I wanted to have an opportunity to show that trailer, which is pretty cool that that yeah, I saw that I was like, oh, that's a cool thing. Yeah, that was a really cool trailer So I just wanted to put it in there. It's probably some more believable than the others which leaks. Yeah, my my my um My more believable my more believable pick was uh, a thousand year door Port, right? Yeah, that makes sense for next year not for this year because I think nintendo still needs to fill out the The first six months of the year they need to fill up fill it up with when nintendo switch games, right? So if we count if we count, um mario, I mean, uh, uh, we we count the ones that are already announced peach and louisies mansion Then that's already um, um, I think they deserve a month each, right?  That's another month Yeah, and then I think Basically, that's what nintendo's gonna do They're gonna fill up the first half of the year and then in february But mind you the last nintendo direct was good, but a little lazy Because nintendo so stole some thunder from pokemon and then the pokemon presents They show the same thing all over again and then after like people were like upset because wait a minute. We just got To to to be fair.  I mean they were new trailers, right? Yeah But wasn't that like the first time you see a lot of the first time they've announced a pokemon a brand new pokemon game in A direct. Yeah, and a general indirect. Yeah Well, they had that space to fill with nothing else to show because we had a pokemon presents coming up, you know, right? They could tease next year's game. Yeah, they chose not to but they couldn't know they All they would have to do is just drop a logo. They wouldn't even have to right Yeah, I'm just the pokemons very very like predictable in terms of their Release schedule and announcements. They always announced a new game in the beginning. Yeah February the February times when you get the very predictable. Yeah Yeah, that's what made it so shocking that we got something at the junior and not only is it in a director announcing it now for this year Yeah, wait, what? Got everyone off guard. Yeah, and then you see it. They're like, oh, okay. It's a 3ds game up resed. Got it.  I'm gonna go far. I'm gonna go far. I know you you always have even Beyond The mic wish list is even even further beyond, you know, my wish list are always out there, you know And they're they're they are wish lists are not like predictions But a question segment. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna say, um Gamecube coming to nso With five games and these games that are coming to game you and so are games that normally will not get a remastered They're just games that Nintendo don't think, you know, like Smash rose mainly is that gonna ever gonna get remastered with smash roll ultimate, you know Um, Mario Kart double dash double dash is never gonna get a remastered with Mario Kart 8 the looks that we're not even gonna get a Mario Kart 9 with double With with that game out there, you know, so games animal crossing the very first one little games here that that um That are good games to to live on nso I think are great games to live on you know on game cue online So that's my first thing and then nintendo for the base model um the Gameboy sp that's the one we're missing from from there, right? Gameboy sp is the one that that uh follows Gameboy well sp is the same thing as advance. Yeah, so what's the difference? As he just doesn't it's like the OLED of the of the game The flippity one, right? Yeah Yeah, the backlight was the big deal. Yeah, the the backlight just changed everything basically game Gameboy as advances. It's what gameboy color is the gameboy kind of yeah No, because gameboy gameboy color was new hardware though like that. That was new hardware entire had existed games. Yeah Oh led to switch it was a redesign. Yeah, it was a better a better screen Better screen. Yeah redesign of hardware. That's what it was. It's a revision. Yeah. Yeah I don't think nintendo has a lot a lot to to to kind of announced Other than what we already know basically kind of like oh And and I feel like I'll throw in the the the switch OLED there the Edition for the holiday season because I know the whole season is coming along And they want to be the lightest prediction segment from mic of all time Yeah, and and and then just just just as a bonus i'll throw in a price drop for the switch Well, there you I mean that would be big on its own. Yeah The funny thing is a lot of the people I see that would be excited by it are people who already own it. So Yeah, it's like, what are you excited about you already have one? Anyways, uh Yui what you got some predictions for this direct? Oh, yeah, absolutely No, I'm with you on we're gonna get some more mario wonder over the next few weeks I think they're excellent to kick it off and then we're going to kind of just get Gradually more trailers and more teasers as to what to expect from this new game I also expect here maybe a little bit more about that princess peach game Maybe a little bit about louis mentioned dark moon um nintendo and as you know nso uh switch online the um Virtual consulting they have a few more titles for that. That's always appealing. I still don't have the plus but um Definitely tempting me each and every direct And then um, probably some more third party ports. I know we just got ghost trick recently That was super exciting and then we've got um base attorney second trilogy coming up Um, you know the the the megaman capcom fanboy and me wants to see uh legends one and two Megaman legends one and two but uh capcom doesn't care about that series. So um Gosh, there there was something else I had in mind for the uh, upcoming direct But I really think a lot of it's gonna be around mario because we have so much mario coming out Okay, can I throw in can I throw in uh, uh, uh, because uh, um, you reminded me of third parties All I mentioned was like this first party games. Oh, yeah, hollow night silk song is another game that's supposed to Are you getting people's hopes up? Every direct every Opening night live next week. Let's go hollow night silk song release date and I guess an impact Which which which I heard developers were upset because you're comparing the bridge to the world I'll grow up To that as a compliment I understand that people entered as an insult when they said it But that's before we saw the gameplay and then the gameplay clearly showed the man This game is significantly different. There's nothing to do. It's just an art style thing and yet the art style is gorgeous So what's the problem? Take it as a compliment. Yeah, you're both using a somewhat similar art style But then you're not because you're all full anime and nintendo's characters aren't full anime. So whether obviously Sort of is just its own thing nintendo doesn't own That art styles. I it's exactly. Yeah No, it's like I it's a they're using the genshin impact season a very commonly used anime style Where do you think breath of the wild and tears is gonna got the inspiration from? And I just don't go all the way with it because that's not what the series is Exactly. Yeah, and when when breath of the wild got showed everyone was comparing it to studio jibbly. Yeah Yeah, it's everything takes inspiration from runners, but the gameplay of genshin impacts nothing So I I don't know why they were I think they were just mad that people online were were accusing them of stealing when they're like, no By the way for those that want to watch this all the movie watch princess mononoke. It's basic It's basically yes It's it has a lot There's a lot of elements in both breath of volunteers in the kingdom when you watch this movie like, oh my god That's calamity cannon. Oh my god. That's link, right? Like you gotta watch it. It's such a good movie. Yeah, very good um, I do want to say as which listy as Mike Odyssey's predictions are I do feel that there's a lot of truth in it. Um, yeah, I think you're on the right track. Um Is everything okay over there? Do you have a studio audience? That cheering is really like is that the cheering that came with the rogaster? This is the yeah, this is the Dude, I need to talk to you all my audio files since a lightning storm vanished for the audio for the rogaster even when I Back them all to confuse. Like I'll send to you later.  No, I'm just kidding. Go on. All right. Well, I've Just I could leave just a little leave studio button right here. That's the one button that somehow stayed Yeah, um Yeah, so um, all I was gonna say is that uh Yeah, I I think the remasters The the the focus on remasters makes a lot of sense. Um, I I do think kind of focusing on How this like I think the challenge uh for nintendo Is to come up with a quality lineup And to have to kind of bridge the gap between switch and switch to but do it in a way where Like they cannot come out with too many super high profile games because why aren't you saving that for your next system? Right? So there's a little bit of a balance there, but also you don't want to just put out just like Easy cash grabs either right like so I think that it's a challenge Which is why that peach game being an original title. I think that that's a valuable game to put into their lineup Um, I think we're probably gonna get I'm this is what I think I think twilight prince is one way grace. You're gonna get an answer in the direct I think either that or choose the king of dlc. It's one or the other but I have a feeling just saving dlc Why do people think when wake up all the princes will be announced at the same time I never really understood this concept of two major series elbow games get it announced at the same time They've never done this in the history of yeah, that's like the hype overload Oh We have a long time to the next zelda game and we know they got to start spreading out whatever remasters Yeah, but the the the key difference here is that these games already came out on wii you so so I think it's a little different Um And why not just is it the chronicles x I came on wii you too, but no one ever says that game is coming Yeah, but that well, I do I'm adding It's an original game I don't I don't see how I don't see how that's relevant to the zelda games though But like the zelda games existed before we use what I'm pointing out they could bring them back anytime they want exactly They've already been ported. So it's the second port job So it's a little different is my point Never mind the fact that when they were brought up they were brought up together like andy robinson talked about both happening Um, so we'll see I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just simply like whenever they think they're selling them individually So they're not I just think to be a really well strange decision I mean, I think they could sell them individually At the same time they'd be barmed together to get it for a discount. Maybe you buy one for 70 buy two for 40 one for 40 I don't think they're gonna be 40 dollar games 30 59 Yeah, so we still have to be full 60 bucks just like they did with scoured sword hd Yeah, we'll see we'll see I don't know. Oh, it's the first time scoured sort of it doesn't matter to this the first time We we saw them increase prices with wii you ports Yep So like these are zelda games. They're guaranteed for four or five six million sale They're gonna want full price.  So while we can disagree on the pricing structure and how they're gonna be staggered I think with one point that we all agree on is that they're hype, right? I think we're all on the same page there Of course and so there's a lot. Yeah, right. So it goes to the point. I'm trying to make really really great zelda games Yeah, nintendo has this challenge of not wanting to put of not of being in a position where they probably shouldn't put Out their high-profile games in the beginning of 2024 But they also need to put out games to hype us up and keep us excited Twilight prince and win waker hd and or right if it may be one maybe both we'll see right the point is Getting one or both of those titles out. It fits that role Um, so it was a peach game So the luigi's mansion gave like together that's it's starting to put together a decent line for the first half I'm feeling like there's got to be at least one more New game that comes out in the first half though. Like I I don't think they do all remasters I I guess I haven't even touched my predictions yet. Yeah, I'll keep mine. I'll keep mine. I'll let you I'll let you uh So I did want to add one more to mine. I think we need at least one farming sim That'll happen. We cannot go without one farming farm come on yet That was an exclusive. I don't know if that one came out yet I'm not an animal crossing Uh dlc. Oh, I thought you wanted to say an amoeba festival too a second Yeah, and rates their fan base one more time.  This isn't I'm not even calling this a wish list. This is just boiler tension and realizing that it's highly likely that we are getting switched to Next if not next holiday they give it doesn't know if it's not a holiday launch if Nintendo wants to go before then There's actually been some pretty good arguments why holiday launches kind of suck Uh for various reasons and because there could be a PlayStation 5 pro coming around at the time And Nintendo likes their own window and they proved to switch with their own window that hey We can do it. We'll just bring the bangers and people are going to buy it So I I kind of feel like it's going to be sort of an end of summer beginning to fall like a september launch I think is when switch 2 is coming and that shapes everything I'm going to talk about here because obviously that means they're not announcing anything pat That's going to come out holiday next year, right? They're just not going to be announced right now um So when we look at what they're going to talk about there's the obvious ones like the mario wonder mario rpg They're going to re-advertise those Although you'll have some third party ones there of hollywood's legacy is actually going to come out this this November like it's still scheduled and hasn't been delayed again. It's got to be shown here Because that's the only version not also switch version So it has to be shown here if it's coming out this year if it's not that just probably that was just to me telling me There's probably an extra delay coming because maybe they got their hands on switch too hard We're like, oh, we'll just wait and we'll put it out on that which is totally fine. By the way, if that's what they want to do But if they've put in some serious serious work and they actually do have it running Well, they said that they could make a compelling version on switch and they did pull it off Cool, bring it out. You can always do a switch 2 version later as well But anyways, that's not obviously on nintendo. That's on a third party company But it's something that is supposed to come out this year Like we'll get a sonic superstars trailer. I also think we're getting one next week at opening night live It was on jail literally at jeff kealy's event in the summer. So it's going to be back at a jeff kealy event Might even have a release date next week But they'll show more of it For the switch version specifically they'll show more of it And then I I kept thinking about what else nintendo is going to show I think they're going to show more of the peach game and and the luigi's game or the luigi's mansion game And they'll probably have release dates for those it feels like to me the luigi's magic game isn't as far along It just didn't look like it was that far along It looked very much like the almost the same game from gamecube just with widescreen Which tell it just it looked a bit early. Yes, you mean 3ds. You 3ds. Sorry. Yes, sorry dark moon. Yeah, so It just didn't look as far along as I like no Maybe that's just the way it's going to look it's just not going to be that impressive And it's very hard to overlook the luigi's mansion 3 and how great that looked in comparison And I can't really expect it to look like that because it's not a brand new game. It's more like an hd port Uh, which is they're not even calling it a remaster by the way. They're calling it a visual enhancement. Yeah Yeah, I know so they're going to release it. It's just the luigi's mansion dark moon That's that's it's all we're going to call it. It is the same thing when links awakening by the way But thanks awakening clearly had a much bigger visual boost Uh, I so again, I don't really know what the final form of that is I just kind of got the feeling that the game's not really quite ready And it's going to be a little bit later in the year. We're not talking like oh, it's coming out holiday or something No, I think I think it's more like a april or may game rather than a january game And still first half though still first half well, of course and i'm going to get to why Everything's almost going to be first half for a pretty pretty obvious reason when yes, which do coming out in september Um, that's why i'm prefacing all of this because there's a lead up that nintendo's building here uh, and then I'm just gonna throw this out here. They're ending the directly metro prime four Just the way it is That is their big thing to end it with and the reason that it's made the end of it because I think they're going to actually announce a Bunch of remasters in here and people are going to be like excited for them Excited for the remasters because that's what they're going to fill the slate out By the way, emily rogers told us last year That's how they're filling out the slate and so far this year. We've already gotten three might have a fourth shadow dropping with metro prime two pickman one pickman two and uh Metro prime remaster three game cube remasters. She said that's what nintendo's doing to end the generation Well, what what what what about return to dylan deluxe? What about we count that we count that as a remake It's a remaster. I would call that a remaster. That's a remaster for sure Yeah So like if you think about it, they're doing exactly what emily rogers One of her final rumors she threw out there Seb was gonna happen It's a shitload of remasters all the way to the next system And I think in this direct well, we'll have more Like a metro prime two, maybe even three bullet dropped the same, but I don't know if they'll be the same time But one of them will be dropped Then yeah, I think they're just gonna announce a bunch more remasters And I don't think they're announcing any more brand new games for switch That's kind of my thing but to make up for that quote unquote make up for that because people will be really excited about these remasters Where they'll always be those sometimes also nothing new nothing new and that's why they drop metro prime four at the end There's your new it's a game. We already announced it's a brand new game. You've never played it You've never even seen the damn thing And my big thing is this is where I bring other reports in there's reports that metro prime four is the swan song of switch Which to me does not mean a crossover title Because that's not a swan song like breath of the wild is not you considered a swan song game for we you It's considered a launch game for switch Is it both technically but the last actual we you exclusive was paper mario color slash Exclusives are swan songs cross gen are cross generation games They do that because they're trying to sell something else They're not trying to sell the old anymore. They're trying to sell the new But they leave it on cross gen because that's where they promise like they promise metro prime four They announced it as a switch game. It has to really sound switch. So you don't have my goal I don't think it's cross gen No, this doesn't mean it won't be on switch two But to me when people say cross gen it means it's launching same time both systems Not happening. It's going switch first. It's dropping next summer as the final switch exclusive Same thing they did with color splash. Yeah, and it's going to be a big splash because at that point when it drops All anyone's going to be talking about a switch to All anyone's going to be talking about No one's going to be caring about oh metro prime fours on both no Because they got 3d mario coming up and they're not going to have a get overshadowed by 3d mario at launch And they're not going to delay the game even further into the switch two generation to launch it a few months in so it's cross platform I truly the metro prime four is a true exclusive to switch Will it eventually come over to switch to? Sure. I also think most of switches library will eventually get some sort of patch or re-release that has it play better and look better on the new system because Nintendo's are going to leave these incredible games that have sold 10 20 30 million copies behind but they're gonna they're gonna bring over a lot of that switch library on the next one Maybe as sort of the way that with we use to sort of fill in some gaps in between releases Which it feels weird if it has backwards compatibility Something we'll get into a moment But also could offer something fresh by including all dlc and also 4k up resin and whatever or they do patches That's a whole other conversation for switch two that we can talk about later Well, my my idea is that it's going to be the final game that's coming out on switch and as I say final final exclusive from nintendo I think there'll be some other potential smaller cross-gen titles Or like I think the first Kirby game if it's if it's not a forgotten land type game But more of a side scrolling game that comes to switch to that could also end up being on the original switch Something like that smaller games like that. I think will still be crashed in from Nintendo But the big ones are all going to be exclusive on switch two in my opinion, which means in this direct It's all about the switch you end with metro prime four Now what are they going to fill the rest of that slate out because remember they got what two games announced plus metro prime four It's three games in like seven months. I think it'll be more of a june or july drop for metro prime four Okay, well, what else is it going to fill it with? Well, what were we told and what has only rogers been pretty spot on even just this year a bunch of game cube remasters All right, cool. So what remasters would really excite people? Sure one of the wind waker or twilight princess one of those two whichever one they think will be most type They'll drop it. I'm guessing they'll think it's twilight princess because it sells the best or it has sold the best and There's something about the wind waker that just sort of feels like it's IG on numa's baby And if he brings it back again, he's going to want to do even more with it So I think that one's going to get even extra work done for the next system Maybe to launch it in 2025 even who knows? Uh, but this one will have more of the minimal work done just to kind of bring it over and make it look good So twilight princess would be a hyped announcement thousand year doors mic brought up. I think it's an Interesting obvious one. It's an easy way to follow up mario rpg with another rpg style game Keep that hype going hopefully building up towards what we hope to be Like them making a brand new mario rpg game in the future. It would be That would be ideally where that all leads to uh, and then I think there's just going to be a even more announced I'm not going to Pull their load entirely because I think they're going to save one particular announcement for february Not so they're still at like oh switch is still getting support and they're going to drop like f0 gx or something in the february one And that's going to end up being whatever title comes out right before Um, or even it could even come out right after I think it's going to come out right before metro prime um for But there's other games that I think that are a possibility that they could end up slotting in and I think That this is this is one that might feel a little out there Because it's not something nintendo really has full control over but they have a very very very very very good reputation What's the developer and there's a supposed sequel in the works that's been in the works for a hell of a long time Even though somebody who was recently working on it died rest in peace Um, I think they're going to work with ubi soft to bring beyond good and evil remastered To nintendo switch next year Um, and that would have been something they they worked out with ubi soft to try to get that done um, and that's sort of any like Come on. We got prince of persia coming in january for a third party game too. Is there any like background? info that makes you feel that way to just kind of like a gut feeling I've heard some whispers, but I don't know for sure if that's what it's going to lead to There's a couple other games. It might be but and again Whispers don't really you just think the nintendo ubi software puts something together Yeah, I think they'll put something together. They have a very good relationship And beyond good evil is amazing and there is a sequel in the works. I don't know when it's going to come out Hey, maybe maybe you do some goodwill drop it on one of the most popular platforms of all time Remind people how amazing this is with a full remaster and then boom you can hit people Maybe we'll be soft Maybe you said you want to do it because they plan to show up beyond good and evil to next year or something Do not Um, I think that would be good. There's a lot of other game you remaster. They can do there's so many great game You remasters or so so many good game you games Uh, but I kind of think that that if you look at that, that'll be you know Like three remasters to go with the two games and you have the metroid prime force They end up with about five just with with the f0 gx also announced next year That's six games to drop in what I feel is a seven month period I think and that's not counting third party games because I'm gonna feel like beyond good and evil will be treated Because they're originally launched on game people It'll be treated as a big deal because it'll be the only version coming out It'll be exclusively on switch at that time. It'll be later ported to other systems, but Um, and I think it'll be a timed exclusive. That's why I think they're working together And I think that's a really good slate like yeah, it's not a lot of new. It's only Technically no new it's just game You know three the the the two new games You know peach and metroid prime which are both games are already announced But I also think that that's exactly what they're doing Emily roger said they're going to be pushing tons of game cube remasters makes a lot of sense I do not think there'll be any game cube announcement for nso not saying game cube will never be on nso I think that is more of a switch to exclusive edition Like you're only going to get that on the next system I don't I don't think it's going to be the first time when the system comes out They're not going to worry about it, but the following year But I I just I get this strong feeling that a lineup if it's not this lineup It's something very similar It's sort of how they're going to send switch out and most of us are going to look back on this If you're hardcore nintendo fans and go That was a sick way to end the system if you're new These games you've never probably never played before So it's going to feel like all brand new games all the way to the end So I think you kind of hit on both sides of the coin Everyone ends up pretty happy even though realistically you're not really launching a lot of new stuff And people will be like man That's a lot of games coming when you just drop that switch to announcement and look at all these games You just promise for that system and look at how are you doing all this game production?  I know we've had cross Crossover games like we you was canceled Gamecube was dead If you count home consoles, yes, but the switch is a hybrid, right? So if you count 3ds, it's not a clean break Well, no see It is sort of a clean break because when you look at Nintendo's own personal output, they hard switched They would have a few sparing titles Smaller ones that didn't sell really well Pokemon's the outlier pokemon's gonna next year's pokemon games going on switch Like that's there's going to be a pokemon game next year. It's going to be on switch But I don't think people will feel like it's the swan song because I don't think I think it's going to be exclusive. I don't think they're going to actually make a switch 2 version of it I think they're just going to say it's backwards compatible and just yeah, so you can just play it'll run a little bit better on Yeah, who knows I get it's on lock frame rates. Maybe it's a little better or something But it's not going to be built specifically for switch this is just the pokemon company They're always they always wait at least a year or two for the For the generation to get more installs, but that's the pokemon company who always does their own things I'm just looking at more from Nintendo's perspective It's going to be more of a hard switch and there's not going to be there will be some Cross gen games. I mentioned things like Kirby on a smaller scale But I don't think that it is going to be anything remotely Like people are hoping it is like what playstation does it's not going to be like that It's going to be 3d mario is exclusive every big nintendo games exclusive. They're pretty much done with switch You'll get a few trickling third-party games and a couple smaller nintendo crossover games pokemon Obviously being something so a big drop. But yeah Then pokemon by the way might be why switch ends up becoming The number one selling system of all time potentially is because pokemon's still dropping on it that might still push units as a cheap system Especially pokemon price drop by that point. Yeah, and I feel like if switch shoes coming There'll be a price drop that next year holiday at least so sure Pokemon could end up actually sort of dragon switch across that line No, granted. I heard you got to get to 160 million to technically cross ps2 We'll see if it can get to that but oh Like every once in a great while to see hey, how's the switch sales going? Yeah, well, we're at like 130 mil Most people get to 140 or 145. It's just are we going to get that extra 15 million sales? I've Possible don't it's not impossible and if pokemon keeps coming out and they drop the price And they keep making them You know, it's a big thing are they one of they're going to stop manufacturing like okay cool I could go for a bit, but we'll see. Yeah, but that's just that's just my on how I think things are going to line up I know it sort of bleeds into switch to a bit, but I think it's a pretty solid Way to go out. Well, I think I mean nso Yeah, they're not going to law they're not going to announce any new games for nso Because they still haven't got a lot of the games they announced last september. We're still waiting They'll they will they will drop one of those games during the direct Yeah, I was gonna tell you or mario party three like one of those games will drop But I just because they still haven't delivered on last year's I can't just be like, oh, yeah They're gonna do more and you didn't even finish what you started Yeah, they might announce a new batch of n64 games. I could do that maybe But I think we're on similar wavelengths. Like we have some minor disagreements But we're kind of I think we're on the same page. It's gonna it's gonna be a lot of remasters There's um Like the metro prime four thing i'm a bit divided on that part of me thinks that It's gonna be cross gen and they're gonna save it for a second half of 2024 after the launch with 3d mario, right? Just space a little bit out That way they can just kind of get you know, that's it would make kind of some sense That way both versions are available and you pick which one you want But of course the other version the other option is what you mentioned like i'm stuck between those ideas I'm not sure yet But there's something I want to bring up to you guys Maybe you guys can kind of help me sort of solidify my thoughts on this because i'm still trying to sort this Out in terms of the equation And it's it's donkey kong Because I I adamantly believe That I don't know. I mean, I I believe strongly that there's something in the works as we've discussed before, um, right But I I adamantly believe that it makes the most sense to have at least an announcement By the end of next year at least because the expansion is is opening next year, which is all donkey kong But the question is If we're let's say hypothetically speaking if I mean I do you guys agree that it makes sense for the game to come out I think it's going on time for the for the park. I think it's gonna be for switch to switch to exclusive I think it's a switch to I think it's the second exclusive the drop on the system like two months after launch What do you like the big holiday title? Yeah Little launch the same month as pokemon because I think I think they don't need the game to hype up the The park the park the movie is doing that by itself, but we still sound pretty well And now it's now it's on peacock. So it's actually doing really well there, too Yeah, it's a number one reader movie on there. Yeah, and and so right now I think that's what's pushing donkey kong and put it put donkey kong back on the map and it's You know, I think it'll be announced at the announcement party for switch two So when they announced switch two with the 3d mario, they're not only gonna announce 3d If you remember they didn't just announce like zelda stuff. They announced mario They announced platoon they they just dropped a whole slate of games And I think that's what's gonna happen and donkey kong's gonna be part of that slate Yeah, and that's part of why partially why I'm like somewhat divided one metric prime four Is going to get it some veiling I think it's either happening this september direct or it's happening in a switch to announcement presentation of some kind Next September I'm team september the final I'm actually glad you said that because that's the that's the month that I I think It'll be what makes people that are a little wary on the remasters. Yeah Oh, but then we got this Make people that are happy all the remasters even everyone does be happy. It'll just be a happy end to a direct Yeah, but do you know what I think the the announcement event is going to happen? For the switch two. Yeah Oh We're gonna get to that in the next topic. I think but that's okay I'll start just hold back what I'm gonna say then but on on the on the metric on the metric prime four Yeah, I think it's gonna be announced this year with a season Um, you know, I was gonna say hoping. Yeah, I was gonna say as they were announced in the summer 2020 Yeah, that's what I mean. I got like we'll give us the release date till next year, but it'll be summer Yeah, I was gonna say like if we don't hear about it at the at the direct I was expecting to hear about it at the game awards I think prime or a donkey Kong prime Okay, good. It's possible. Yeah Nintendo and you see people go, oh, but Nintendo doesn't do anything. So it's ready. Well, and then they did something last year Exactly that does mean the relationship is starting to grow with jeff kealy and I think Part of that is because they have a new system launch coming up And they want as many avenues to market as possible in the future Yeah, the thing about donkey kong Part of he wants to say that we we could see it in the september direct But if it is switched to exclusive then no And when I think about the dune direct how they showcased a luigi game a peach game Two different mario games with all the different mario characters It was clear that that that direct is all about taking advantage of the of the mario movie Promotion right that that that was that was a clear plan there And it's kind of strange because we have you know We have games that feature mario and bowser games that feature peach and luigi and toad But the one major character that's left out from the movie is donkey kong. That's kind of odd Yeah, the only reason they kind of make sense to me You know that that choice either a just the donkey kong game is really far off Or b They're saving it intentionally because it's switched to exclusive But again to to today's point remasters We can bring donkey kong back as a remaster for this for september And that that is a lot Congo one bong bong bong Obviously they remaster some of the old donkey kong country games That actually would be really cool. There was a I mean that that is something I could see them being like, hey, why not The Nintendo we actually have an engine for that bongo game They renewed the patent for the bongo like they we renewed it So And they don't want people stealing those those bongos bongos Yeah, I mean you have konga one and two and you also have jungle beat. Yeah jungle beat I would be you know, be I would be down for uh, a jungle konga beat Here we go. Yeah That just feels like a crazy like pale marion out like that sounds like a nintendo thing though Yeah Because they're kind of small titles Like they would have a rapper You know, they they had the whole zapper thing that they were trying to sell and they were trying to get you to buy that with uh, the Uh, links crossbow training Yeah, I think it's konga one and two are rhythm games and jungle beats an adventure game Like it's just they're so different. They're very different. I mean jungle beat has the rhythm stuff But yeah, I would love to see like a brand new Switch version for the uh, the the drums and then a brand new donkey konga game with all these new songs Not just the ones from not just songs from, you know, the other other other games Yeah, I think it's just time for a refresh because those games are very very old now Yep. Yeah, this is some some dk is gonna happen next year. I think it's gonna probably be the new game Year of donkey kong But we'll we'll we'll have to wait and see like that We can get into the next one because obviously we're gonna talk a little bit about um in our second topic about Obviously a lot about switch 2 but we're gonna get into what we think that first Sort of year from nintendo is going to be looking like uh, and that could be at least that's part of my first year Before we move on. Yeah, right. I don't want I've been trying to like I'm not sure what my predictions are yet, right? That'll happen at some point or another but It also matters when they announce the direct and when the rumors are out there suddenly everything changed Oh, yeah, I mean Started yet once they started to go now I'm planning my predictions and I'm trying to like, you know, I want to I want to be as close to correct as possible Um, so that's why I'm kind of like maybe making you right. I'm still sorting it out. Um, but um, there is a game that we have not brought up that I think you guys agree is probably coming Fire Emblem remake geneal of genealogy war like that's That's that's the one of the rumored fire alone game that hasn't come out yet That feels like the kind of game that would actually make a lot of sense for the first half of 2024 Maybe it's the january. Why there's no engaged. You'll see that could be the january game Well, there is a gage. You'll see but they finished it quickly. They wrapped it up quick. Yeah I don't have a game right now in january and they usually have something in january Yeah, I have peach january in my calendar Yeah, yeah peach Yeah, I think peach game might be in march I was yeah, I was thinking more march for who knows Peach we just have to see more of it. It looks interesting. So we'll we'll see I mean I think we're going to see more of it clearly. It might even launch the The whole direct with it. Who knows? Oh, you know, it'll be crazy If xenoblade x gets announced for the first half of 2024 The game this has just said no one ever talks about that game coming It's a big for you one of the few reasons to even have Much more hype and else what I think just in turn not because I was all the guy just in terms of popularity Oh, I'm not saying right. No, why can't we have both? Emily Rogers isn't supposed to like how many remasters we have coming. Let's just get them all right Yeah, let's get them all. Who says after a prime needs its own month We can drop other remasters in there doesn't replace them. You literally did that in february They gave us two they gave his primary master and Kirby's returned to dream of the blocks in the same damn week Let's do it So that sound like I don't expect that to be the norm You know what one franchise that I am curious that they could announce A new Kirby game. There's something Kirby every year. Mm-hmm I can see them announcing a new Kirby a new Kirby game But I think they're saving the sequel to forgotten. Oh forgotten lands the sequel that's going on the next system Yeah, for sure or whatever 3d. Whatever they do next with 3d. Um, yeah Oh, what if they wanted to remaster Kirby's air ride? Oh My free time Let me say yeah, they could they could finally rework star five zero and bring it over technically They could they could yeah, dude. It's like the one game. I don't want to remaster it But I would love it if they box adventure star fox guard Oh, I was gonna say star fox adventure remastered. I'd be all over that Starfox adventure. I would be all over that too. It'll be all over assault. Such a good game. Yeah, both are very underrated Something I'm gonna say though not always the fist fit in the first half, right?  Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's gonna be as I said Nintendo will still have some stuff come out. It's just gonna be like smaller Yeah, it's just so well. I'm just saying xenoblade x right, especially the system is quad is you know It's backwards compatible any remaster that comes out for switch will still be also on switch too Like xenoblade x has an expanded opportunity to make it Maybe Kirby's air ride. I don't know paper Mario game like this. There's a lot of things I think you just made nish quick pops brain explode He can't help you the top of the late all day. Yeah, because then I think a kid Icarus Rising re-release of surprise of one surprise that hasn't happened yet and two I think it's a little too late to have that happen. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, it's like maybe I termed it which broke my heart I'm hoping it's a little bit of a psych out, but it a fake out But uh, I he basically said he wants it to happen. I think they're trying to make it happen But I don't know if it's happening yet So I don't know. Yeah, I would I would expect on the next system. Maybe Probably yeah Game that's wrong. You take I wanted as soon as possible. So before We're going to transition to the next topic guys, which is Nintendo switch too I just wanted to put a note up there because Eric keeps reminding me and he just reminded me again To let you guys know why Eric hasn't been on the show the last couple of weeks. Uh, today he had to area his grandma So he's been dealing with you literally like the day of the podcast last week it happened. So He just wanted me to bring that up I think in large part because he's just You know going through it and once you guys to know because you guys are like part of The whole family here and then on top of that also So people just don't start badgering about it when he's back asking him where have you been where have you been? Where have you been because like it's not something he's really going to want to talk about. Yeah. Yeah It was not can't my condolences to him. Yeah, so he was at the funeral today and all that He's doing okay. I said he hung up with me on Monday. Yeah Being the good friend, but yeah, he's That's just what he keeps reminding me to bring it up. So probably because he doesn't want to run when he comes back. Okay All right That being said get into more. I guess happy your talk Nintendo switch to the topic never the never-ending topic as I as I noted. It just doesn't go anywhere It doesn't stop even though we have absolutely zero new rumors. Although I have it on good authority next week It's going to be a topic again, and I already know why but I can't talk about it. So I have to wait till sunday Anyway, I could technically saturday night, but it'll be sunday You're telling me all these years that leaks have said this time for sure guys this time for sure We get the nintendo switch. This is real guys. Yeah, it's it's it's all been fake.  It just So I got cancelled. Yeah, cancel.  I put a bunch of different talking points And I think the first thing I want to start start with is What are like some of the biggest things that we actually want to see changed or improved compared to nintendo switch It's something we don't actually talk about that often. We're all these times. Oh, when's it coming? When they're gonna announce it? Okay, what do we actually want change that isn't just we want more power Yeah, that's obvious never steams you cowards All right, I just I mean, I I don't disagree with what you we said He had to scream it on I think that that is that is a fair and accurate and calculated statement So, you know, you're totally totally spot on there, but I should probably mark this I forgot that I can mark things on the back into youtube so I can be like, hey That's that's the beginning of topic too. All right Yeah, people always ask you for time stamps. I never put them in like keep forgetting. I have an easy way My thing that I really want the change that would literally make my quality of life better when playing with switch or in this case switch too Is just more ergonomic Joy cons or controllers. Um, the the the proctor is totally per is almost perfect. Um, but the joy cons are not There's still a lot of room for improvement Holding the switch Portal mode for long durations is just not comfortable. I would love it if they were to rework that make it comfortable That would literally actually make my experience of switch too a lot better because I would play in portal mode way more often Especially if the rumors are true It's an eight inch lcd Which I think is going to be 1080p and maybe an actually better lcd So it's not that much worse than than the OLED like that would be actually a really nice experience So that's what i'm pulling for also put an audio jack in the damn pro controller So we can put our headphones in not just to switch itself, but all the other controllers Yeah, I think that would make our lives a lot better Okay Yui what do you got? I stand by what I said we I feel themes were a painfully missed opportunity considering there is an entire menu dedicated to it and I the 3ds had them and surprised that um The switch never had them, but I digress I'd love to see something like like street pass so people have The fun little puzzles and stuff like that because that used to be I go to conventions all the time That's always been a really fun thing and yeah, you could bring your switch to a con but it's just like You're going to go back to your hotel room or sit in the hall and play it and maybe go to the game room, but um other things obviously just improve the joy cons because obviously we all know about the problem with drift and I mean, what else you said obviously not power.  Oh, and also I would like Nintendo to finally embrace achievements I would love to see that on the next system Okay, noi nice. Yeah, um achievements I I'm a big fan of achievements. I a lot of people are Yeah I'm yeah, I'm just hoping that tendo does at least something because usually it's a per game thing like smash brothers does at door Someone brought kirby air ride kirby air ride did that Yeah, oh, yeah So I'll I'll go next little little out of order to change it up some outlast every time on these points we're doing So there's a there's a number of things that could be changed to improve that the chief among them is just the joysticks like let's Let's stop messing around in tendo the dude hall sensing joysticks guli gets sells them for very very cheap Don't tell me you can't license them just get it done It's the better technology if you're going to keep a small profile like that There's already companies making them you can come out with better ones that deal with the drift problem You never even have to admit there's drift. It's just a new system that has improved controls sweet Um, I you know, some people want them to go with analog triggers. I understand. I really don't care either way I don't play a lot of games that really require an analog trigger like racing games and stuff like that, but Uh, they don't really require but they're just better if you have them but So I'm kind of neither here nor there on that. I'm good with digital most of the controllers I use use digital So it's not that big of a deal to me But there are there are other improvements. Obviously we we know about something like the eight inch lcd or whatever I would like it to be almost bezel-less if they can Uh, I think it just creates a better viewing experience to someone that uses phones and other things like I you know This monitor i'm looking at right now has a super thick bezel and I hate it and it bothers the hell out of me I actually prefer the 4k one next to it that only has like a 2 millimeter bezel Like so nice and it makes the switch bezel look massive even on switch old led So I we're at a point now technology has gotten to the point that we don't need that thick bezel I understand if you have a little bit of extra on the sides because of the rail That's fine. I get it or whatever system you're using for and I understand that Uh, but we don't need that all around Uh bezel so I I'm I'm I would like to see them go the bezel-less design Unless that it's a sort of a minor thing But I think if you're at least if you're going away from OLED you can argue you made something better about the viewing experience And that also will help keep the switch a bit smaller instead of people worrying this thing's going to be monstrous You know if you take the current bezel and switch OLED and then make it an eight inch Think massive We don't need a steam deck. Okay, like you can keep it almost the same size if you just get rid of the bezels And then, you know, they made a lot of the improvements that that I like You know like the kickstand and all that stuff. So like keeping a similar kickstand design. I think it's important Uh, I I do think that they need to have some sort of redesign on the controllers Where they're more ergonomic somehow In both ways that you want them how I don't think they're going to go away from two controllers with each system Where you can slide them off. So I think just making them a little ergonomic in some way would be nice I don't really know how they do that. Maybe it's just making them thicker Uh, a whole design philosophy they come up with. I don't know Um, there there's a lot that they could do To improve anything like the e-shop needs to be a native application on the on the platform I'm tired of being a web browser. It's a web-based Application it's part of the reason it's so damn laggy I know they do it that way because it makes it easier for them to connect with their website because you can buy e-shop games on their website for people who don't know in fact if you hate How buying things on their website works or how buying things and they're in the e-shop works and trying to dig through things Go to deku deals. Literally deku deals Google it. It's an amazing website. It's basically what the e-shop should be It's super well organized and it takes you directly to nintendo's page to buy the game So it's it's awesome and you guys should be taking advantage of that. I want to see that redesign There's no excuse that all the other platforms have it connected Where you can also buy games on xbox and games on playstation through their web browser On their web store and through their native Applications on their systems if they can do it so can you nintendo? Let's get with the times a native application I think would take care of a lot of the lag that we experience They're not going to take care of the design That is something that you guys also need to improve on and start taking design cues from other shops And I always say just glance at netflix.  Just come on There's a reason that a lot of other places have copied the way that netflix does things It's very convenient people have no problem finding new stuff Which is a problem on the e-shop sometimes and finding even hidden gems that are based on things you've played before Hmm suggested content based on what you actually play Who knew that it doesn't even exist on the current e-shop? So, uh, there's a lot of improvements that can do there I think the genre would be nice. Just click horrors to get actually see all the amazing horror games that are on the e-shop Yeah Many of it. They have it. It's it's a little clunky to get to but yeah Like I said a lot of this just comes with there's a lot of improvements that can do there They basically have just ignored and not done. They don't have a rating system, right? Nope. They only have that on what we you and the 3ds have it too Yeah, I actually hate that. Yeah. Yeah Netflix getting rid of the rating system was such a terrible thing I do the Wii U rating system was great And I understand all the Nintendo first party games and we really had to get it But that wasn't what I cared about it for I know a lot about those first party games It's the games. I've never heard of You want to know that's what I want more information A lot of indie games that you know, you just don't know until you buy and it's like, how would I know before I buy that That'd be great. And it helps. I think I I wonder if maybe they made a decision to not do it because they saw how it performed on Wii U And maybe they didn't want to hurt sales But I wonder if it would help. I don't know that Wii U is a good barometer from them to make any decisions Yeah, I think that is a fair statement Maybe right on that. I mean look a lot of other places have rating systems Um, right it I don't think it's that big of a deal But it could just be to tell it as a manager or something just another thing to manage but Who knows if they don't add it. It's fine But I would like to see a rating system would be cool I You know the UI in general on switch. I really like I'm not someone who cares that much about themes And if you want to give us themes cool I'll I'll use them. I used them when I had them like I'm 3ds But I just Didn't really after a while You know, I just set the one theme and forget about it and didn't really think about it because what am I going to Do the UI for I'm just trying to play a game. I'm not really thinking about what I see Yeah Hear me out, right? So I think you would it would make a lot of sense for nintendo To think of ways to get people to buy games, especially on the eShop, right because they you know digital sales There's it's better for them right better better margin there Um, but I we were just kind of talking about how it would be really nice to kind of bring back like a rating system You know just five out of five stars. It's pretty simple But something else I think would be really neat is if they had like a try it system Like not it kind of like a demo, but not necessarily not like an extended five hour demo But maybe like what if you could like just try it like you you can like download a piece of the game Or maybe you have to download the whole thing whatever But if you could try something for me like the first 30 minutes That in conjunction with the rating Maybe a lot of people will be more willing to actually spend money On things they see on the eShop that they don't recognize because I know there's a lot of things on the eShop I see they're like oh that might be shovel where I don't even want to give it a try But if there's a try it system, I would try it and if I liked it I would pay for it Yeah, that's something more that's more up to the developers to issue a demo That if you want people to try their own game, you know spend the nsl game trials Yeah, that's true. Yeah, maybe go shorter periods of more games I don't just say yeah Strong and open Yeah, it's kind of crazy I was just kind of like watching third directs previously for research purposes but like I was looking at how they were talking about triangle strategy and They you know like with these hg2d games of squaring x does like they always have like a trial period Like they they've released a demo months in advance like half a year in advance or something And then afterwards they make improvements based off fan responses Like I was looking at the triangle strategy trailer and they introduced a lot of new things Based off fan requests like a moving camera for example and and like difficulty options Like that was those are crazy additions to add like nice improvements made in the last few months before release Like it's just kind of a cool concept that we've sort of seen more recently I I would like it if you know, maybe nintendo did something I understand it's a lot of this maybe left to the developer But it might be nice if nintendo could do some things to help facilitate more things along those lines So I'm going to make you very happy because I think nintendo is kind of gearing towards Something similar to that. Um, and I'm going to go based on um Well foo kawa said when it comes to the transition from one one account to another The nintendo accounts will make it easier and they want to focus a lot on accounts, right? So accounts is where they they've given a lot of the rewards Right they like the little icons the little icons you get for every game and how they have these releases for icons for nsl members and Fortunately, yes, this is coming with nsl now. Maybe they'll add themes To nintendo switch online basically you have to have you have to have nsl And they'll they'll release themes just like they do with the little icons That's option one option two is that whether you but when you buy a game You have the option of also downloading that themes game that games theme And then having that game that theme as a background and of course this includes music as well. So I think that that um As a reward nintendo might be able to it's possible that they offer Uh new theming for the for the homepage along with music not just the the a static background music all the time But I think Maybe music from your favorite games having played in the background like when you have to buy a game Or you sign up for nsl that could be part of what they do. I think another thing nintendo is going to going to bring is Some type of a streaming service. I think the you know Nintendo movies are coming right more. Nintendo films are coming. I think we'll be able to have to have to watch mario On on on your switch. I think they can either do this by bringing Uh making peacock like uh like one of their apps, you know and having a little section for nintendo there Or having their own streaming Little servicing as part of the next nintendo console during nintendo tv Was with the eyes I yeah, I just hear that from my memory. I don't know you're trying well It's not even the first time that would have happened because they did um that kirby channel where you could watch the anime Back on the back on the we You know since we're talking about nintendo kind of emulating other apps, maybe the tell us to bring back beavers since twitter died It was a lot of fun, but I understand why they did away with it. It was chaos I don't think they're gonna be back. I don't think they will ever bring back me first, but I think they will actually enhance um, they're they're basically account when it comes to your me's and the overall aesthetic of the the home page and stuff um the the The reward system, um Like you were saying I think it's something that can also be part of so You know and and not not not in a way that yeah, you get um What do you call that when the little alert that you get the little I just yeah, you get the achievement But with the achievement you also get something added to that icon or something something Nintendo will make it fun to to to gain an achievement. Hopefully, you know Uh besides the besides the power I would I I would love the bigger screen of course eight inch I don't care if it's lcd. I love it.  Yeah gave it away But yes, it's still here. Yeah, so um because I play on that On handheld mode. I'm fine with it. Um, if the if the screen looks better than that I'm up for it. Um, but um Accessibility features that's a big thing for me accessibility features When playing on handheld mode is a big thing that nintendo doesn't Didn't do that well on the switch Um, but hopefully they can do better on the next console and something I don't know something like like like the iphone where you can tap Maybe the two fingers and then kind of make this the letters bigger or do something with Accessibilities, um for the next gen console for for the for the death and for the blind, you know, so Um in the accessibility area, I hope nintendo does something better with that for that I don't think nintendo is gonna give us back. I don't think this is coming back I think nintendo is gonna give us a brand new controller a brand new device That's not even called a joy con. I think nintendo is gonna want to separate itself from the word joy con and bring us something new Um, we both covered the patent on the channel with with with with the new mechanic Little joy stick kind of thing weird thing. Yeah, yeah that I think Who knows that that could be part of the brand new controller that could be part of the brand new pro controller You know, I think because nintendo has it has this thing of giving us Something new for every next gen console like the like the we you didn't have joy cons It had though the we motes and had the pad Right and so I don't think for the next gen console We're gonna have nintendo is not gonna repeat this You know, I think I think we're not gonna get no no little joy cons like this I think what's coming. It's could be better. Could be worse. I don't know nintendo But but um, I think it's gonna be something completely new Um, hopefully better the head like like what andrew is saying Better ergonomics, but I think it's gonna be something completely new It's gonna be very easy to differentiate The switch from the next gen console. That's that's what I feel it's gonna be Um better battery power and I feel like the channel is also gonna give us options When it comes to storage storage One terabyte maybe a 500 one and maybe a 32 one for for, you know, the teeper That's a lot of expensive flash memory Yeah, yeah One terabyte you probably get for 599 Right. Oh my god base model The base model which is 512 gigabytes will never give me an OLED screen for that price too, by the way crap the 399 and it better come with a little rob that kind of can carry your pizza and drinks too And and then you get and then you get the 349 add for the for the 64 gigabyte Let me ask you guys a question. I might be drinking the kool-aid over there. Um, so meet the real conversation here potentially What is the best? Control stick nintendo has ever introduced Oh gosh The best the best The best Thank you. And like what's one that you miss it's definitely not the It's not the easiest as well in price. Um, I think thank you Snap that every I think gamecube too. I was yeah gamecube has that nice grip to it. Yeah, it has a nice It has the notches as well. So it's more accurate Like I something I run into with like the very like clean circle Is that based off how our thumbs are how we'll control sometimes you might press like diagonal up instead of the sort of left Right or like sometimes like so there's a it increases the degree of error because I mean it's human error, right? But I think when you have the notches, it's you're more inclined to press the right Direction of the eight typical directions So I would really prefer to go back to the notches Um, that was I was really like I think they had that on the nunchuck for the we as well. That was good Yes, yes, I did Yeah, but I do I do agree with you that the grip part was really nice On on the gamecube and then the nunchuck was very flat Um, yeah, so I think it was better. But obviously that the main thing we were missing was the um, the clickable sticks So I think if it maybe it could be a fusion like in terms of feeling control of the the gamecube and maybe what was like the pro controller Because the pro controller is control stick solid. I just Basically, I just kind of missed the notches like give me the notches. Yeah One thing I forgot to add um for the switch to I want m.2 drive m. That's who drive instead of the ssd. I want m. That's who that's gonna help you speed up the games play better games You know, you know low in time in the kool-aid cut him in half. I don't disagree with any of this It's just so wishful thinking like yeah But absolutely, I'm thinking of the wishlist right what you want. We want to see right? It's not that I feel like they're gonna do it, but hopefully they do it It is what we want. It is what we want to do.   You know these are horrendous. They work on gamecube games because they're designed for it.  Dude. I don't need I don't need to go Don't don't don't don't don't do the smooth Yeah, come on Could also do what xbox does or at least on the 360 we have little Nubs on the control stick that have the different directions So you kind of a vague idea of where you're going without looking So I I wonder I ever need to When do I ever need to look to know where I'm going with the control stick? It's where my thumb goes man It goes up. I'm going up down. I guess I guess I'm coming at this sort of the standpoint of like if you're playing a fighting game Have you never you need to do a complicated action Have you never pressed the wrong direction on a control stick by like 45 degrees? Nope. No Never. What are you? You need to recalibrate your thumb. You gotta recalibrate your thumb. Okay. Okay. Listen here, man Maybe I would just like some accessibility because you know me being an athlete growing up I've experienced a great deal of jamming of fingers and such and maybe my thumbs aren't as accurate as your thumbs Maybe your thumb got jammed from all the gamecube controllers you've been using. Let me show you how to do it I'm gonna go up. Okay, so you take the thumb and then you push I will Any game against each other I will win That's just gonna be a skill issue But you see you guys don't have a problem with it with it with your control sticks. I apparently why why do you think not a A single Mainstream system has gone with that design since then If it is so superior I want access. There's a reason it went away. There's a reason it went away And by the way, it was only in the left stick because the the the right stick didn't even have it It was just well the right stick was like a no, but it did a full rotation. Yeah Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe actually they did have the notches. Yeah, I couldn't remember You know, I don't have an actual gamecube controller on me right now Well, the good thing is that if they made this Okay, yeah, if they made this in a part of battery Now you can charge it through here and it'll charge it.  Yeah You know, we haven't talked about right do we all think this thing's still gonna dock with the tv, right? Mm-hmm.  Yeah, it still has it on the yeah And it's working. Oh my god. Do you hear that? Why it's so grindy Let's get out of here. I forgot that that and you can still you can still go in between if you want those 360 degrees All it does is it cuts off part of the degree You can't move your stick as much in those directions It cuts it off that sucks, man Yeah, you think about it because there's straight lines you hit that straight line You're actually not able to push it as far that direction as you can the eight cardinal directions also I mean, that's only if you go all the way out, right? Like if you don't go all the way out You still can there's no notches. I don't know.  I do that a lot actually it's fun sometimes walking for you know, taking the scenic route Yeah, when you're when you're playing smash, you know, you like to just barely move You don't actually well in smash you don't need It's smash it makes more sense left right up down. That's pretty much all it well No, you need cardinal directions is pretty much how you need it better for smash. I don't I wouldn't say it's better It's just a preference Anyways, I still use my switch for a controller instead of that when I'm playing smash Just a preference It's okay. It's fine that you prefer that it's cool. Um, I I was gonna I was trying to find my switch pro controllers. I couldn't remember if the Stick was convex or concave. I'm like as long as they're concave, you know, like on the x-wax one. I'm totally cool with it Uh, I don't know a problem with grip. I don't know it doesn't dig into my fingers. Everything kind of works But you know, it's all personal preference and that again That's why different controllers exist for different people Well, at least you didn't come out and try to argue for the 3ds slider If you would try to argue for that one Well, the three Are we all robotic on your side? Yeah, yeah, it's smooth over here. I hear everyone just fine. Yeah. Yeah. So all that matters is that it's smooth Oh, no, he it means it's on his side. Yeah We do his connection. Um, right. All right. So we get to the next talking point on this topic Yeah, why the why the 3ds slider is superior? Here we go Right. No, not even the 3ds slider one the accessory that for monster hunter that adds it on the other side That's the superior. Oh, yeah, that's that's peak. That's peak. That's peak What okay, so the next part of this is is kind of a big one. It's first year lineup From nintendo specifically so not third parties although partnerships with third parties count if nintendo is going to publish it that counts um so Let's sort of imagine What we think because we know what happened with switch And with the way they're releasing new games now it feels like they're banking stuff up Yeah, so What do we think is going to be? But let's all start with the same starting point. They're launching with 3d mario. Yeah Okay, boom done deal launch 3d mario from that point forward Give me the next 12 months to the next holiday season. What's nintendo dropping? I think I think they're gonna go. I think they're gonna go animal crossing Just because animal crossing Although it took three years to make it on the switch it sold Like there's no tomorrow. It sold like crazy, right? It be it it it built such a fan base In and it started that cozy game frenzy Right. Um, it was been there before but but animal crossing kind of lifted it to another level And so to a point where we we have a lot of youtube channel just starting with only cozy games Because they started with animal crossing moving forward and when then we help we have paulia coming up We know it all these other little games. I think animal crossing is a system seller now because there's such a massive fan base waiting For that next animal crossing game to jump on and so if they do Animal crossing in the first year. I think that that'll help a lot of people transition a lot faster So, um, yeah animal crossing should should I continue with the list or yep? Yeah, keep going All right, so mario your whole first year mario animal crossing. I think uh luigi's mansion four Uh by that by that ax sober um See here, um I want to say mario kart But I feel like we need to do mario kart eight deluxe deluxe And Mark our night, you know, so I'll I'll put mario kart in there first year, um Uh to the mario mario wonder two who knows right? Um pokemon game of course first year Um What am I missing when you say pokemon game Do you mean as an exclusive or just backwards compatible? It's probably gonna be either it's probably gonna be backwards compatible or You know, I'll scratch pokemon because pokemon is a larger fan base So that's the first year maybe the second year. They're they're late adopters 2026 is like when I finally Going all out. Yeah, I'll do zel zelda. Um zelda remake not not a not a um major major line game, but maybe like a remake like they were lynx awakening um That's it. I can't think of anything else. Okay cool If I if I if I think of anything, I'll just drop anybody. I'll drop you guys in them That's all right. That's all right. Let's go. Uh yui What do you got first year lineup nintendo go. Yeah I kind of expect them to do like an uh Either a brand new ip or maybe arms too something like that Because I know that was very early on and the switch's lifespan was arms But otherwise, I don't expect any big titles until you start hitting like Later in the year, I don't think animal crossing is going to come out like first thing in 2024 I I would expect it late 2024 maybe early 2025 but um Otherwise, I would expect a few remasters and some basic third party support And um, maybe a re-release of something from the switch in the first the year of her first few months of the um Switch to or whatever we want to call it next gen nintendo uh coming out Okay Yeah, but but to your to rebuttal you didn't mention that you don't see it coming out first, but Still 2025 was still we considered the first year of the switch if he comes out later That's what I meant. It's just like not not like right away Or we're talking about the first the first 12 months. It's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but I would put animal crossing within the first 12 months. I would put it like in months. Maybe Six or seven Yeah, I would put it even farther away than that. I was thinking like later on I'm literally getting out my notepad right now to finish mapping out my lineup Yeah, notepad plus plus So we're talking about like what first year first year lineup Yeah, first year All right, or nintendo partners if they publish it first 12 to 15 months 12 Okay, because of mario, odyssey. I mean mario. Well, look if you think it's september we can go two full two full holidays Okay. Yeah, that's why I said like 12 to 15 months, right? Yeah. Okay. Um, so 2024 until the end of 2025 um, I mean, yeah, obviously 3d mario, right Um mario cart Not uh mario a 2025 release. I believe that Animal crossing is an interesting consideration Because I do think it would make sense to get that out at some point But also nintendo wants to have major releases beyond 2025 as well So it's kind of think like you got to think like what makes the most sense when Um, it is interesting that because I do feel like all people complain about animal crossing Like nintendo could have continued to support it for longer and they didn't And I think that could be a sign that they're like, hey, well, let's just get the next animal crossing ready for the next system Um, and especially with nintendo not being able to launch with major zelda early on nintendo's got to think okay. Well, what can we do right like if if especially like If they're not going to have mario cart mario cart in the first like two months, right? If they're not going to have new smash relatively soon either I mean they might have a new smash, right? But um, actually I would say that there will be a smash related announcement by the end of 2025 If whether it's dlc or deluxe editions something like that A point is though I can see animal crossing may be coming out sometime 25 2025 because animal crossing on switch came out 2020 early 2020 So to expect it five years later. Is that really a stretch? I'm not sure So maybe um, it's possible the weegee's mansion four I think has a great chance for a 2025 release because you look at the Um, sort of pace and release of next level games. They happen every three years So by 2025 will be three years removed from the mario strike that released in 2022 I believe and then 2019 three years prior to the weegee's mansion three So a six-year gap between major games. I think that's a healthy yap I'm gives them enough time to really get that out. So I think that that's a good one um Metroid uh dread sequel will be out Uh, potentially by then, um, depending on the metro prime for dlc situation We've heard that mercury steams working on two major projects That's that's official that we know that from financial reports. They're working on two major projects We think one of them is metroid is a sequel to metroid which makes sense because metroid dread I think was one maybe their most successful game ever and obviously the most successful metroid game to date So that makes a lot of sense I'm just kind of like throwing things out there that are like as these are Likelies, um, I do think something zelda Uh, I think it's probably going to be the tears of the kingdom dlc So that's going to be like a major expansion to that and maybe also 2d zelda could come out relatively soon And a donkey kong if it's not out already um Metro prime 4 I think is cross gen maybe so beyond that Ooh, no, this is for switch. I was gonna throw out a random idea for switch during the switch to era a port or enhancement of ever oh aces Because it's a switch game like during the switch to era. It really feels like it's that's something they could kind of put out there you know, um I'm going back to switch uh two though I mean, I feel like it's a decent amount of games obviously pokemon, but I that's going to be backwards compatible. I think um 2026 is maybe when we finally get an exclusive pokemon game for switch to That's going to be I there's some speculation that maybe finally pokemon company and gamefreaker are going to lengthen their generations to four years um This that's speculation right but with the pokemon anime Starting in april as opposed to november It does maybe feel like they could be heading in that direction, especially after recent comments and also it's a big anniversary for pokemon in 2026, I think it's the 30th anniversary, so Maybe they do want to delay things a year really Really hit the ground running with a next generation game properly optimized and polished 2026 switched to exclusive That might be pretty heck. There will still be games in between Like I think maybe there's like a legends or something like that Related generation five next year and maybe they do let's go the year after I'm just a bridge to the gap, but yeah something majored by that point, but that's that's obviously afterwards, but You know, I mentioned a legends game. It'd be next year and be able to let's go game the year after Those games will be for switch, but they'll run better on switch too. Yeah What else I mean, that's gonna be more of sports titles. It's gonna be mario party games Was literally going to bring up. Um, yeah an addendum is just like mario spin-off or mario sports game Just it seems like something kind of you sure Yeah monolith soft next big title I think was a 2025 release that makes sense to me Like I mean you look at how monolith soft was on swish. We had We technically only had two New games from them, but if you account for their dlc stuff, right like they were relevant four of the switches years And I have a feeling like I think that's gonna probably be similar um on switch too, so If they're not gonna be available in 2024, I think 2025 feels safe. Um, so zeno by three came out Yeah, it's a three-year gap And they supposedly supposedly been working on a new ip for years Because they have several studios. It's not just one team, right? There's several teams They work on several projects, but they've been working on this one for years So I think, you know, maybe more hands will be on deck now that zeno blade three is done And they're gonna be Positioning whatever this new game is as a 2025 release and it might be a bigger deal than the zeno blade series There's been speculation We'll see for me and maybe just quick pops that this is going to be an mmo like kind of game Uh, I don't know what it'll be, right, but For monolith soft, you have a new ip then yeah Um, anyways, whatever it is. I think it's going to be really hype. It's going to be really ambitious And I feel like 2025 is the year for that. So it's going to be a big deal. I mean like We're there's so many things that I kind of listed off randomly I don't know when when they get slaughtered and when but there's like a lot of material there for it insane Insanely strong Start to the system. I got one. I want I want to add one Just one and this is for the beginning the very beginning of the of uh could be one could be Shadow drop with the switch New ip I'll um mario not mario um switch um I could be could be a fitness game. It could be a we party game kind of a we party game Um, something like one two switch whatever but something's gimmicky Something that has to do with the new gimmick that nintendo was gonna totally go off Yeah, they're gonna have something about with three mario launch. I bet Yeah, and I and I feel like that new mario game the new mario game is going to rely heavily on that also That new gimmick that they're trying to present with the with the new maybe colors or something Yeah, the very comfortable controllers. It's going to be so gimmicky. You just have fun playing it without your hands going numb All right Tax on like a war I've got I've got the lineup. This is just this is just a fact. This is what's gonna happen hit it Just dropping it. Okay at launch.  Don't think I don't agree with my the 3d mario game is going to be reliant on it I think nintendo has shown that their developers don't really like using the gimmicks Hence why we never saw the ir camera be in any serious game for nintendo Uh, but then the lab was the most serious product probably probably the most like Probably the most they put a lot of development money into anyways. I think they spent quite a bit on developing lab Oh, so you have Yeah, not to derail your predictions too much But I would I will say I think it was a missed opportunity to not use the ir sensor with um came build a garage, but go on Yeah, yeah, it would have been interesting to see what people kind of came up with ideas nintendo couldn't come up with who knows Anyways, so that's that that's september because remember I already I'm on record. It's coming out in september. All right uh, then they're going to um They're going to sort of skip october There's going to be some sort of big third party game that drops in october I don't know what it's going to be. Um, but it's going to be something that nintendo Um made a partnership with or maybe they dropped the call of duty. I don't know. It's going to be something They're going to say we're not going to overshadow your game In the second month That's a horrible elden ring. It could have been elden ring. Yes. It could be but again We're talking about nintendo games But i'm explaining why I don't have a game in october because I think They're going to let that be some major third party that they're just working with and they're going to want to let them shine Um, so they don't want to overshadow them Then november comes this is holiday It's weird But they're going to watch the new mario card game then look It's not really going to interfere with pokemon. Pokemon's not technically on the system It's just backwards compatibility So it's not going to interfere with the pokemon sales on for switch owners The only people that are going to be able to buy the damn thing that are going to be anyone who's able to Get a switch too, which is going to be a pretty small audience But mario The reason that you do this the 3d mario then and the mark evergreen titles they sell for a hell of a long time They're not worried about launch sales They're worried about these titles being sales drivers for years to come We all know they love bundling mario card for holidays. So there's your future Bundle not for the following holiday with the holiday after those start bundling in mario card Unfortunately, I wish they'd get more original, but that's what they do.  I they're giving us a mario card early in the jet Um, and by the way, they did it by porting over the old one and like it went on to sell like 60 mil Come on. They're going to give us mario cards super early. Yeah in the v And then they're going to skip they're going to skip december Because they're just going to kind of live off those two marios. I guess that's enough for them It's going to sell out the entire three month period uh january This is where one of those zelda games comes in they drop win waker 4k And they do something with it. I don't know what that something is If they bring back the tingle quest or they expand and do something drop the tingle bottles do something else There'll be some sort of new content thing with it Um, maybe a long lost idea. They never used maybe a brand new dungeon Maybe something else. I don't know. It'll be similar to what they did with links awakening where there was a dungeon maker. There'll be something new Added to it because this this because because this one in particular Well brought over from we you will have been done by the zelda team itself And that's why it's going to have a little bit of extra care thrown in That's january or they often drop Not a big game. They're usually not like a big seller just something that that just kind of kicks off the year Usually is what they do in january February new monolith soft ip whatever it is don't know what it is We we've had one little art piece hint Forever ago the game might not even be in the medieval ages anymore I have no idea what they're doing with this game because we haven't heard about it All we ever hear is hiring people for new ip. Okay. Well Cool It's gotta come out at some point. So I'm just assuming that before they release a new zeno blade game They'll drop the new ip and I think they'll they'll drop her in february next year um Here's where dk comes in It's gonna be a 3d donkey going game dropped in march All right, then we get to april Here's where we get our 4k port of metro prime 4 or 4k update Whatever it is metro prime 4 that was previously only a switch exclusive Now comes out of the next system with a 4k update whatever or whatever they do Again, we have no idea how they're gonna handle that stuff yet But I'm throwing that in there because Nintendo does put ports on and they put ports in year one to switch So we're gonna have a port Um in may now we're starting to get towards those summer months splatoon 4 people might go little too soon I say nay splatoon 3 is a switch game not a switch 2 game So they're gonna drop splatoon 4 And that game's gonna live for a while because they're gonna plan to drop a splatoon 5 at some point I think they're gonna try to keep up this two splatoons per generation Thing that they got going right now because they saw really good sales back to back and they proved That splatoon doesn't have to be a once per a once per system game. So I think they're gonna drop an early splatoon 4 May next year Here's where they give ubi soft a little time to shine because they do publish this in some country So I'm counting it the ringing sparks of hope back again with a 4k edition with new content and all the dlc included Uh, we heard they want to make it a 10-year game So they're gonna try to relaunch it like it's a new game by throwing a ton of new content In with it so much so they it might be a 70 dollar game Throwing that out there that that that that's something I think ubi soft's gonna try to do They're gonna try to do a second win the the game and try to make it sell a lot um In july This is one that might excite some people no one's talked about this A brand new wave race game Hmm they bring wave race back Why that over f0 after Don't know but they bring wave race back Brand new game. They might just call it wave race. They might not even throw any monikers with it It's like sort nothing's gonna be sort of reboot or what it is a brand new wave race game in july August astral chain 2 There's that good old platinum games partnership. It's already murmurs that a second one's in the works Platinum games works with nintendo a lot. There you go They'll also at some point during the generation be another new ip from platinum games on there, but we're just talking first year Uh, September Okay, you know seems like maybe a light summer yet sparks a hub wave race astral chain Not a lot of interest. Why don't we just bring out the potential 2023 game of the year drop a 4k edition of tears of the kingdom What dlc announced and that's when they announced dlc the dlc will obviously come to the old version on switch But that's why we're not here in what dlc now because they're going to save that announcement for 2025 To just sort of help remind us that we're a long ways off still from the next Mainline 3d sell the game. They got to fill it in and that's why we don't have the dlc now because they're saving it because they know They got a filling gaps until the next game Uh, october luigi's match in four was already mentioned by some of you guys I look luigi's matches become a big seller. It's a big deal now So I think having that as a tune up to the holidays is good and in november One of two things is going to happen So where we get through that second holiday it's either going to be a new generation of pokemon And it's actually going to come to the new system Which I just don't think is going to happen I think I think the next generation of pokemon will be exclusive on switch 2 but they might not do it this year They might wait another year Uh, there's been a lot of talk obviously about them taking more time with their games So it's possible we get like legends next holiday for switch and then this year ends up being Uh, some other port another bsp type thing and it's going to just only be on switch So this is contingent on if a pokemon comes out for switch 2 if it doesn't Top-down zelda game from grazzo brand new Drop in next november and they're doing it again mario to kick off zelda to end that first year Except this time has flipped now. Is this zelda as big of a deal as a 3d one? Of course, it's not But it's still a brand new zelda game And they will already give us the 4k addition to tears of the kingdom early I think it's pretty hype again. That is my lineup. I've been thinking about this actually for a long time Let's see. Oh, you just know I just put down the months I've had these games actually on a list for like weeks and weeks and weeks I'm waiting to see what happens at directs and if things are going to start lining up so I don't know. That's what I think. I'm probably way off on everything. We're probably all way off besides mario But we've got a question for you guys I maybe I missed it because it's directed with my cat, but I don't remember anyone saying Anything about tears of the kingdom dlc I just did I said they bring a 4k addition in september and they'll announce they'll have dlc launching with it And it'll come to opposite the switch version But I mean that I mean, you know if it's like a big adventure that kind of feel could kind of be I think they just want something to help bridge until there's gonna be a long time for the next 3d zelda So I think they might space the dlc out way more than we ever saw a breath of the wild I'm just happy you said it. I'm glad I'm glad you said it and I just missed it. Thank you Yeah, I don't know what's going to be I must say it's all dropping at the same time It's just it'll come the first part of it will come with the 4k tears of the kingdom. Yeah I think it's funny and I think it's fun. It's fun for conversation I think nintendo death really putting this this plan together. They have to have an idea You know, they got to think about how they're going to really push this system early on right? But I mean we're kind of talking about games coming out 2025 and 2026. We're still in 2023 So, you know, well, we're just predicting we're predicting the launch right no, I just it's just interesting to think about how like Because the nintendo's have these conversations right like they've they think ahead like they've been thinking about this transition for a while Um, and it's just kind of like hey, I think the lesson for the current CEO is oh, we slammed them with games in the first year We should probably do that again. That was a good thing We should we should just and by the way, we still ended up having good years pretty much every year after that as well Look what happens when all your developments for a single system. I would say 2021 2022 um Me even 20 well 2021 the second half was really good. Yeah, it's been a banger Yeah, first half was a bit dry, but but there's always to me been like a half a year where it's been really strong 2020 to me was sort of that exception year where We didn't quite but wait I try to give a little pass over what the world was dealing with so Yeah, and there's still good stuff. Yeah, there's still good stuff in there but it just yeah when like your major holiday title is super mario 3d all stars and higher warriors each other warriors age of calamity. That's that's your that's your Combo holiday banger big been three deluxe. Look, I love them Oh It was fine By the way, no knocking those games. It just didn't feel like a typical nintendo holiday season, but there was nothing Yeah, there was nothing So But this is another next point We're gonna start with yui on this one Okay, because i'm very curious for a perspective of someone who i've never talked to until today. Yes How important is backwards compatibility to you? Considering I've put so much money into the switch. Um, I'd I'd appreciate it. You know, I think it'd be very based at like if it was like a 3ds ds situation where It has to boot a certain way I think that'd be super awesome But i'm also that's also going to depend on what the system is like is If it can support all the joy con stuff all the Features of the switch if that's all still in there, then sure But if it's a completely new system, I don't think nintendo's gonna obviously nintendo's not gonna bother with it unless they're like revising it Or something like making a brand new version of whatever switch game and just revising it but I is it is it a maker break for me? Am I gonna buy it anyway? Of course I am of course I'm gonna buy the system, but is it a great perk? Absolutely But it's not it's not a maker break for me not a maker break Like is it a maker break for you? I mean we're content creators. We love nintendo. Yeah, well, let's like Take the content creator hat off. We're just a consumer now Yeah, that's what would you get one at launch if there's no backwards compatibility as a nintendo fan purely fan um I think I would just because of the new the newness, you know, I like I like I like to it's like buying A like a phone if there's no backwards compatibility, there's a question if there's no Yeah, well, would you fight harder for it if there was because obviously get one at launch is already a fight and we're content creators So we're gonna go through the fight anyways If you're a general consumer, it's like oh get a pre order if I happen to get one But like if the pre order is not there, whatever. I'll wait But if it's got backwards compatibility, you're like, no, no screw this. I'm selling my switch now. Let's go Exactly. Yeah, you you would actually fight better if you if you if it had backwards compatibility because of um, it's not a matter of of Me buying games because I still have my switch. You know, I still have the Yeah, I'm gonna be there and I think nintendo is gonna be supporting that switch for at least two more years At least when it comes to updates, right? So I can still go to my switch and play it but when But having a newer console, you know and and and playing my games and Hopefully upscales of 4k resolution, right? That's just a whole different beast, you know, right? Oh I feel it's not it's not a make it's not a it's not a break for me It's not a break for me if it doesn't have it I'll still get it as a as a fan. I'll still get it Yeah Okay, yeah, I mean the way you didn't have it in the previous one didn't have it so right it's So so nintendo has a history of backwards compatibility Obviously like they've they've done it with a lot of systems But there's also something they haven't done it with the most assistance they haven't done it with was a logistics thing Like you can't plug a nes cartridge into a super nintendo Like that's just not going to be a thing or a super nintendo n64 n64 in a game cube And they obviously couldn't bring me you discs on the switch But all the other times that they've really had a chance to do backwards compatibility. They've had it Even even when I took one of the cartridge differences. They had that on handheld and they still Had backwards compatibility like every generation for a single generation only one gen To be fair and a lot of you guys wanted to be like xbox right now that does like all the way back to the beginning What's nice for xbox is they did discs the entire time And so like nintendo hasn't so it's a lot more complicated To have that sort of stuff plus they do the nso thing now where they're really trying to make a lot of their money on subscription services so Backwards compatibility to me is never been a deal breaker Um, I I'm gonna be honest and this has been always my opinion if you want to play old games Why did you get rid of your old system? You could have just kept it and played your stuff now If your switch is at the point of being decrepit and dying I understand old systems Have a shelf life and I know a lot of you guys are gonna point out a shelf life Dude, I'm still rocking my launch nintendo entertainment system from 85, baby. Let's go. I dude. I hear you I totally hear you They don't quite make it like they used to all right. Sorry to say as an example You didn't have to worry about internal batteries. You didn't have to worry about flash memory dying out These are all things that are like realities of modern consoles So there is a shelf life at some point on the switch you have There's only so many reads and writes the internal memory can take before it's kaput And that's it because the memory is locked to the board so It's only gonna last for so long I think That backwards compatibility Is probably going to happen just because of nintendo's history of doing it But I don't know that I've ever felt it's essential because I've always been someone and I've made this argument many times and I never follow my own rules because I'm a filthy tech Dude that just keeps buying the latest and greatest and sometimes having buyers remorse Which is why I always state this you shouldn't ever buy a system So there's enough games on it that justify you buying the system So 3d mario is not enough but let's say it's 3d mario with mario kart with splatoon and zelda All those games come out. Finally, there's enough for you to be like sure I'll drop 400 dollars plus the additional money to buy all those extra games Um, then that's when you that's when you should buy it and I think What backwards compatibility does for some people that maybe are like that is they go? Well, even if it doesn't have the games yet at least I can play all my old games A