18 on the shot clock must say has got to go to work 10 inside JT feel and turn around shot no but there for the rebound and wow that was a beautiful wrap around kamikaze style yeah big Texan is right he's a little quiet lately too I'm glad to see that watch this again I couldn't even watch this again it was not a lot of room to work with wow just tucks that in there he sure did Jake Tatum the shot clock set to expire knew he had to go hard and he did


So I'm going to put in straw kids here with cards and we are within 21.28 for some basketball on the 12 box full case break number eight tier random teams. Again, here's the look at the random results to which you can find these elite sportscarts.com underneath the results tab and the link is also in chat for you. Best of luck everybody. Again four spots left in more basketball. It's a three box case break that breaks right after this one. Let's get that filled up. With the tier, you get two teams for top tier value one and one from the bottom. Right there. So you guys can see all of them. Make this smaller. Make it big so you can see us ripping the steam. Back to the top. What's up? You live right now? Yeah, ripping some prism. That's the only one. Good for you. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. We got an open movie. Orange to 49. George Richardson Celtics. 75 years. AI. Tray Van rookie. I got a bridge. Five minutes. Let's go for the team all case. It's like 20 minutes. All adepo silver. We've got hyper miles Turner. We need to switch. No, I should be all right. I have my back. 75 on the anniversary. Larry Nance Jr. Blaser. I got a bridge. Five minutes. Let's go for the team all case. It's like 20 minutes. All adepo silver. We've got hyper miles Turner. Prismatic ant man. You need to switch. I should be all right. Okay. I'll take one. I'll take another one. Sydney. Silver Kyle Anderson. Silver Ben Wallace. We got nuggets. We go Denver. Denver Jeffrey He likes Yeah We got josh getting on the hyper nice one their father Yes, oh, yeah Yeah, y'all if y'all you're at the national be sure to stop by say hi interrupt the break and say Josh Giddy rookie Silver LeBron nice one there Lakers Purple I stared white spurs Like this is probably He is like We've got nice ball tiling on the pulsar none. It's doing well. It's starting to heat up here Blue chaelin green What a pack 160 out of 199 houston You to see back at it again He's want to hit the two goal. He had the gold curry and the curry auto. He had a heck of a break He really is some really nice magic. It's yesterday, too Shaw It's a good sign It is we hit the curry auto the first box yesterday too. It's a good sign Here loose jr. Avery Bradley on the hyper fireworks luka Got hyper white screen. Yeah, it's on to the cool bow bowls out of here bj armstrong bj armstrong Wiggins rookie it got talent for tucking silver silver prismatic one mellow box All right Oh What Yeah, you've had a heck of uh some prison breaks in the last day or so.  Red wave ran it for hyper air encemin here. Let's keep going. I don't know how to get acts on the trash Yeah, that's how my alert will be out of here We got wings easy on the silver for the max orange 49 shape no six 75 years go there You What's the result you read Cooper? Cameron Thomas Red waves here. It's rocks magic. We've got ready on us for the ball. I love that photo on this one Prismatic defaults Scotty Barnes rookie base We got silver and gilin noelle devon booker on the hyper suns The finger rookie We've got purple ice ray ray out for the box widescreen dave collar Yeah Jalen green rocket we've got uh david johnson on the pulsar rookie rafters spread nerkick Got silver precious atua Mexican lever on the paper So Our first auto going to the warriors sensational look yaddo moses moody They go gold state yet everyone's still four spots left in nor basketball that breaks after this one And if they tear random case break here random team case break So you get two teams first five big hit potential in those beautiful people parts silver ike Necoro Bradley field beer Bradley deal So I said be uh, I said something I said beer and then I said rookie auto is a livers for the pistons Oh the camera is frozen Is I'm gonna keep ripping force is gonna look into the shot Yeah, you can see the cards More important than my face seven cell silver. There's maddox silver jaylen brown We are back We have johnson silver blade grip and we've got orange to 49th the bonus for the baser ai 75 years Tray murphy got red wave montress harrell blue montae morris Auto in this box jalen green rookie rockets We've got hyper fearless zion. I like hypers on the fewest inserts really cool Sweet god, how about for the heat old dunkin robinson on the sensational signatures? go my end David johnson brandon ingram silver red. I say a roby for the thunder mine said julius randall President roby got red wave yannis on the local bucks Paper rookie guy jones hornet's prismatic.  I say a jackson Very poorly Basers it's on white side hyper we've got um, no fearless rookie First couple cards in that pack were cut really high Johnson springer rookie you got red rookie from vodner magic. Nice hit Pretty well centered too Maybe down just a tad but overall very nice. They go Orlando Magic kyle adam nice when they're 10 out of 2.99. Nice vodner. We'll mag this prismatic west bro Yeah Coming up, I believe He's got it with silver o'clock moves silver fireworks lamello And auto rockets. We've got a josh christopher ruffy Rockets Here we go They wiggins we've got red wave bones island nice when they're nuggets Um Nice, uh bones coming out. Where's the sniper lamello fireworks? Never broken a bone only on 70 surgeries though. Garza keto. We got silver kemba walker Silver on the 75 years demian lillard short friends This is the first one of these I have pulled out of for the basketball I think it's a draw.  Those are so rare. They really like I said Yeah, this is the first one of these that I've pulled that is beautiful 75th anniversary short friend You'll mag that one for you Pull the jaw one of those that's sick Oh This Sharp three-man rookie we've got a jared butler on the pulsar rookie jazz purple aminu spurs Right at boss jr. Kisburg silver t-max Got hyper jt for rookie fearless curry Say Jackson we've got red brain and ingrub for the pelicans lamello ball fearless rookie Silver protons silver widescreen kd. We've got rockets mix the oh, this is the ascension can you and martin jr on the private signings for the rockets Everyone we got nor basketball up next two to go almost filled up. Let's get that Let's get that uh going to go Primo Richardson We've got red wave rookie quitting grinds rookie hyper is there a galski next last day breaks from the national guys Yep, last chance to get your spot to get a reply up here at the national We've got follows teams on sale. We've gotten war. We've got leaf metal pop century Silver kemba walker. We've got purple rookie video cats fireworks mellow Again every spot you buy into at the national entitled national break will get entered into the giveaway Pulsar rookie erin wiggins for the thunder Okay, see doing very well blue de rosin for the bulls widescreen lebron Again, we've got a hundred total prizes that are over Uh, totaled off over 75 thousand dollars great brown sugar Cooper silver bill russell Got bobby portis on the hyper bucks Cp3 prismatic And the grand prize Is a trip for two The lsc headquarters hang out with us be a guest breaker and a ten thousand dollar shopping sprint in the uh shop Grand island bucks. We've got nuggets bones. Highland auto Some more bones coming out nugget soon very well jeffrey h nice bones Also, um another grand prize and spot in an almanacs for a year. There's hobby boxes A spot in the super bull break we put on every year denny silver mindset silver cp3 So tons of really awesome prizes again every spot purchased from one of the national breaks will get you an entry Some more uh breaks you hop into the bigger chance of hitting some of those prizes got undre and shaman on the red waves sixers Uh, kyle lowery on the hyper And uh, that was just backwards all about not much spice camp Basically, we've got like ruffin silver orange waves 60 jaren jackson jr. Grizzlies Uh, look on the 75th anniversary Can't kind of hear murky base first cave we've seen today. Leo maldon on the red. Tom is brian blue ice wizards prismatic joker Todd, you know, mitchell silver steed nash Got hyper prince fireworks right much spot Then two to go on that nor that breaks next Peter rookie silver subbonus arithmetic silver ad We've got jazz rookie auto of charrod butler jazz from the second auto. I believe they killed jazz and then mobility rookie train man Brandon Boston jr Got red wave robert covington hyper Duncan robinson fireworks yokich Silver rookie. I say a jackson pacers blue by donovitch hawks honest mindset hold a bold mellow wave The rose and pulsar bowls and red galanari hawks prismatic kairi In a full anthony bold risk a little jealous on that one at silver josh heart hyper josh jackson for the pistons Our worst hyper lebron james. Nice hit there lakers. This is a prison basketball hobby We've got rockets on the sensational rookie auto josh christopher Where's your For them basketball hobby Doing great Enjoying our time here at the national small to come to an end But I've had a lot of a lot of y'all and it's been really fun And really camera johnson silver fearless silver charles parkley prismatic booker head waves city osmond purple Lopez on the hyper box That's silver rookie of one scone o anderson warriors We've got james harta on the purple ice net 75 years a.i Waved white hauer red poor zingas for the mouse wide screen donovan michael blues rookie Silver tiries maxi second year a hyper rookie scottie lewis fornitz prismatic wyseman Wiggins rookie with the garza Got the blue ice and the leap muck for the lakers fearless ad Six all new is crazy Yeah, i'm good Take a spray break in the second hand mouse. Good world drag It was you know one of those things that it's like probably one one of the life type thing that'll have uh trey young silver ben Wallace hyper You may have even different types of deal Um, I believe all part of our ship in this break And by this We've got hyper of demian lilor. We've got uh next sensational auto miles Mcbride. Yeah all parts ship Oh, yeah Ice camp rookie silver coombs mom. We've got silver fireworks LeBron Nice And sixers rookie auto charles bassy Still two to go and know where everyone again that breaks next. Let's get it filled up So snitches. I never say it sneakers spotlight autos Got front's vagner rookie. Maybe go logo hunting Got red wave rego bear hyper uh baton Yeah, two to go again, that's tier random teams So you'll get two teams per spot on that one from top tier one from the bottom K to rookie base. We can see some k color here Silver k g we got blue for the bowls. I don't know soon lose Nice. There you go. Chicago christen g on the blue Yes out of 199. We'll get that max for you white screen LeBron Florence I see it's hard to be on Mitchell. We've got uh pulsar Malik Beasley Beasley we've got red paul george prismatic cp3 You were just like throwing it the one half way you're like, ah I have not yet. I could definitely see someone doing that Roy Sonio. We've got hyper D Roy Slavello Orange wave full tile in the 60s Nuggets with a A spear my goodness Jeffrey H 17 out of 60 We will mag this one for you Jeffrey killing it with the nuggets.  Yeah, that's right Please Yeah, these cases of prison have been very nice. What's he's killed it gathering. Yeah, he didn't josh giddy rookie You Red wave Robin Lopez hyper penny hardaway Jalen Suggs rookie Tim Duncan silver we've got Brandon Ingram on the uh purple ice pelicans sacrafine 75 years You gotta get Cortes on the main stage everybody gets our chanting Cortes killing Brooks on the red wave red protons And And Right here. We should do a stream of just point z shipping guys packages She'd get way more likes in us Oh, yeah, don't I'm having a great time I'm a fantastic time. All right second half here great first half of the case box seven Yeah, a little bit Yeah, I said nor or uh Soccer for sure. Yeah, we got silver josh Richardson purple iceboard and hayward Street pooper. We've got want to scuttle anderson on the pulse are uh rookie warriors blue ice him hardaway jr Thomas got silver kenyon martin jr paper jay frowder sons prismatic de mitch Yeah, everyone's still a couple spots left for norbats the ball breaks right after this got tides roam red thunder mindset kb primo rookie we've got silver jamal murray silver fireworks a d We've got hawk sensational autos of dino galinari It really is book night garuba. We've got red wave palm alone for the jazz Hyper joe weisskamp rookie spurs prismatic Yeah, the lines are so long. We got k perky base pistons Harry gordon silver blue andre drummond sixers 75 years through holiday. It's one of the reasons I think it's food I was just like I want to see the show I could eat later You can't see the show later Todd divion mitchell red wave manual quickly nix we got orange wave rookie kita for the kings to 60 You go sack town Wayne y fearless lebron San Jackson super great from the third rookie blazers hyper rookie austere this Set hyper uh james hardin We've got keying steve on mitchell rookie auto another sacramento head there Weisskamp. We've got silver tj warren prismatic silver luka nice All right, last five Got red wave brandon clark grisly's steandre eighton hyper prismatic tray young Right box eight get everyone. Let's get that more basketball filled up breaks right after this tier random teams for spot Again, if you get a spot in that you'll be answered into the uh giveaway here for our uh national prizes David johnson We've got luka on the pulsar.  Wow people mag that for you congrats on the mobly Sounds good donald have a good day, man. We've got neds. How about a jason kiss?  Awesome nor sold out so that means just uh, yep Pop century again, that's two random hits per spot. So you'll watch me sold out. Oh, is it? So I think we're sold out then right? Wallace Oh flawless like Let's see they say livers Silver jordan clarkson firework silver tray young We've got sixers jean springer rookie auto sixers robin's pearl Got red wade jaylen green rockets What a box? Rockets You to see Beautiful color match on that one too We'll mag this Shantae Murray pulsar All right jaylen green rookie Jimmy butler silver we've got shagoon on the red rockets other color match there the brown prismatic Got red wade my connolly orange wade derrick rose for the nicks to 60 Nice off color match there currently He's acting like he doesn't have a leaky shirt scottie barns working pony acting like he doesn't have a leaky shirt Silver kpj. We've got hyper moses brown Tony's awesome Always like when he comes by the shop Good guy Oh, yeah God blue daniel fans rockets Silver markets howard silver prismatic stef curry. Oh next break. We need to get filled up Yeah, that's great flawless only break left with spots Yeah, red wave andre drumming we've got hyper harrison barn. So we only have one break left here that will be That we will be ripping live at the national it is flawless Two box pick your team case break Again, that's the last chance to get Give a spot in a live rip here at the national three trend junior rafters Name dollar on the 75 years All right box 10 nine nine Dead teams are on sale as well Get those orders in get that filled up for later tonight And ending the nationals of the bang. We've got a dual case of eminence and flawless That is going to be a fun one for sure Highland rookie Got silver derrick rose hyper isaac a coral Christopher Got blue ice ty Jerome thunder Auto how about nuggets having a break silver michael porter jr Nice mpj there Nice hit Denver. I was waiting for you to come say hi. It's only been what three days Good god, it's mindset step curry Nice one there. I thought that was gold for a second. It's not just a base Still nice. We've got hornets rookie autos scottie lewis Hornets Peter rookie we got evan mobley base Brad waves even johnson raptors. We've got callie bridge jr on the hyper train man rookie brandon boston jr silver devion michael keys red train murphy the third rookie pelicans nice working pack there So We got both arceo maldon 75th anniversary to 75 rj hampton magic Silver gordon hayward bam out of bio on the hyper heat charismatic kd Wiggins Got blue regi bollock mass Dion line set silver little dork firework silvers dion charismatic jaw wave cam reddish hot scout kuzma on the hyper fireworks luka silver josh christopher rookie rockets purple josh heart pelicans book night 75 years That's pack box six Springer rookies got red wave. Okay. We've got our first mojo of the break larry nance jr to 25 blazers 625 on that one fearless penny hardaway All right, let's move this over here That's nine Silver jard wall firework silver rustle westbrook spurs. We've got sensational autos that call us red wave mob on the heat seren's raw cypher dramatic the rich jackson working over the mellow ball second year they go hornets orange city bay pistons brevis Got pulsar kyle anderson brisley's purple ice devon booker for the uh suns white screed zion primo city It's a pretty good baggage Marbury on the uh silver where it's $15 shoes and nice hyper rookie ebb and mobley calves Cavs with another nice mobley there steven s case might be better than yesterday's case Yeah, a little closer to the left side here, but still a nice car. We'll mag this one for him Here Mindset hyper jason tatum got auto rockets jaylon green five Houston rockets you to see of course you know has them Wow, you guys been crushing these prison breaks. It is ridiculous There you go jaylon green You'll mag this for you Silver jada mcdaniel spearlet silver devon booker They just don't want to stay Red wave paul wilson paper thomas brian Thomas I remember I got silver um, i mean blue tim duncan demian lilaard 75 years scotty guards rick base Now we can see if you can grab a boat here hot dog or something Maybe after more the lines short off on over there siacum red wave jayno fast you can take your time out of that I just need to grab some Jordan pool silver or kiki hyper That's pretty far behind you I mean that happens with prison. There's just like no space over here Blue ice is on garuba rookie rockets to 125 step curry's prismatic All right box 11 I know rookie Widescreen you bitch We've got rookie keon johnson for the clippers Get everyone only break left with spots. It's gonna be flawless football full case pick your team We've got a k brook base That is the last break we'll be doing here at the national spots left dirt red wave carousel hyper fearless bed Wallace Pilger team at red Alonzo morning hornets All right, pulsar has solid white side jazz 35th anniversary 75 josh heart pelicans Pilger Joe Harris we've got Robinson url on the hyper thunder cracked ice rookie kessler edwards nets to 125 with the xyre williams rookie auto Memphis Edwards Silver air boredom. We've got fireworks silver jason tatum jaw fearless skinny rookie Jaylin Suggs rookie Got red wave Lebron couple nice Lebron's uh for the Lakers here the plumly on the hyper prismatic kawai Hi, jones jt floor. We've got Herbert jones on the silver rookie pelicans Purple Cameron Thomas nets. Isaiah Jackson 75 years Red wave Isaiah roby purple ice moses brown paths mindset Lebron Big gold Got silver jaylin brown hyper nicknames plaxton How you doing? It's our Williams We got blue luga guards a beautiful color match pistons There is like the indents Something up with the foil right there. You can see there's like a dense We will send a box here with the pistons. That's out of 199 All right last box here everybody Fantastic Let's see a gold pona gold gominga We've got fireworks jaw Wow nuggets Flashback auto nicola yokech boom Second yokech auto of the case Denver killed it jeffrey h That's crazy. Congrats again on that one jeffrey For sex and we've got red wave david johnson raptor is benton on the hyper They liver is benton guinea fia silver got tygerone on the red thunder fearless ben Wallace booty rookie brown Red wave fitty smith mass. We've got blue ice jaylin johnson hox check Tree Cooper got silver marcus howler and hyper gary trend jr And everyone only one break left with spots for the daytime here at the national last break available So we will be repping here live scotty barns rookie rafters. We've got blue icicaporo And that is a full piece flawless football pick your team. These are on sale So check that out Those are like super curved They're sharp silver zion Silver prismatic lebron. That's like a four silver lebron too. It's nice Its first couple are like super There we've got kevin porter junior high uh red wave rockets marcus for senior hyper You do service Night rookie garuba. We got silver lawni walker fourth red Malik 75 years kisper Yeah It's been tough to talk hard girls. We've got polka rookie scotty barns. Boom Exactly. I agree You to see Now the There you go Nice goddy pols are We'll mag this one for you. Congrats. You to Still killing it Got shake melting on the uh purple Jalen green rookie Third we got cameron johnson on the silver A bigger jim tim harley jr And last pack everybody Cards just this case break So we've got hyper uh lamello ball. Nice one there hornets Last auto of the break. We've got sensational signatures. Eric blood. So clippers Yeah That will do it for the break a quick recap here We got our autos and mags cards zire williams keon johnson sat colin schaden springer MPJ silver scotty lewis jason kid davion michel gallinari charles facie Miles mcgride josh christopher jared butler bones highland. We have the private signings kenny martin jr josh christopher dunkin robinson isiah livers moses moody bj armstrong eric blood so Our mags cards. We had the polsar scotty barns raptor Nickley yokich for the nuggets on the flashback auto jalen green rockets hyper ebb and mobley cab Blue ice to 125 ebb and mobley beautiful card there We had red wave jalen green rockets orange wave to 60 rookie bones highlands uh blue isle don soma du don suhu pols We had these short prints 75th anniversary danian lilor beautiful card there portlet again So first one of these that i fold kind of a bunch of cases beautiful hit another yokich auto going to the nuggets jalen green on the blue rockets and red franz von vagner magic Woo that'll do it for prism everyone got one more basketball break, uh, which is nor coming up next. Thank you


blue. So this is basically the area that I was looking for support just a moment ago prior to traders talk beginning. So I actually just leaned into this trade just as we were kind of reviewing the other one. I have my stop set right below the lows here at this point. So if it does break lower then obviously I'm going to take a small tiny loss on it if anything but I thought it was worth the while for the entry. The key though is that if you have your levels plotted then you need to make sure the stock breaks under that first because it may keep dropping right. I mean there are plenty of times where I'm calling out a level and otherwise it breaks under it and it doesn't break back through it. It doesn't break back over the level again. So this afforded me a little bounce here right now correct but that's where you got to have your stops tight and realize that it needs to make that big move shortly after it needs to.


Hi, everybody. Hi, Christian, thank you for joining us. And I'm just going to unmute everybody so you can all do this. Hey, Maya, there you are. Hey, Mike, we'll see Christian. Do we see Christian? And there's Neil. All right, so we'll just do Hollywood Squares here. And so today we have hopefully a short-ish meeting. I don't know, maybe. I'm going to share my screen and we'll start sharing my screen. And so Vadim has said he's going to be a little bit late. And I will find my working group notes. This is right in the way, so. Oh, welcome, everybody. Happy Tuesday. And this is the OKD working group meeting. If you're in the wrong place, stay anyways, because we like the company. Today, we have a proposed agenda. I put the link to the attendee meeting notes thing. If you could add your names into that, that would be helpful. I also, Maya is here, who is the person who I mentioned last week, had the IoT ARM64 questions use case. So I was going to use this time to also ask her to explain a little bit about what she's looking to do and what she needs. But first, you want to walk us through an update on OKD4, Christian, and where we're at, and then the road to the release. And I'm apologizing for saying July 9th to you and making you panic the other day. I've been watching. Watching but not paying close enough attention. So cool. So take it away. So, yeah, I think Vadim isn't here yet. But, yeah, what Vadim has done is we've updated the nightly builds to be based off of 4.5. So new nightlies are actually built from the master code now. And that's on the way, ramping up to the actual 4.5 OCP release, which will be basing off, which will be using OKGGA to, yeah, as a base for. So everything should, all the platforms should work. I think we have an issue with GCP currently, but which will be resolved, it's a known issue and that got lost in the latest rebase. But what's new is the vSphere IPI install path. So I'd like to ask anybody who has access to a vSphere environment to use to test that out with the new nightly builds. I think the next beta, which would be beta six, I think is also on its way, which it's either already been released or is going to be released very shortly. Yeah, and we're still on our way to releasing OKGGA very soon. So we'll have to wait for OCP 4.5, the release, which is, I'm not sure if that's publicly available, that I'll just say it. I think we're aiming for a release on July 13th, and OKGGA is expected to be released a few days after that. So, yeah, not far from now. And that is, I think it for the update from my side. Wow, we have a real date. Well, that's as real as it gets, okay? So we've been here before. So I have a lot of faith this time around because there's a lot of other people saying that same date, but we'll see. And I'm pretty sure it's OKGGA is not going to happen on the 13th of July, I think. Why not? Okay, that's OCP 4.5 GA, and then we have to backport a few comments from master onto the release 4.5 branch, making that the F-cost 4.5 branch. So, yeah, it's going to be July 13th plus a few days, a few very short days, hopefully. Yeah, I think there's also some requirements on Fedora CoreOS that we just, you know, realize were super important. So it might take into account some Fedora CoreOS release schedule as well. Fedora CoreOS doesn't have a release schedule, it just makes snapshots every two weeks. Yeah, I mean, that's the goal every two weeks, but we have a change that we need to land. That we, in other words, there's a change that we need to make that we don't want OKB to have to release GA and then make that change for their users, right? It would be more smooth for OKD if the GA included the change. I can link to it in the BlueJeans chat as well. That would be great. Yeah, just to put a topic to that issue, that is the naming of the Ethernet interfaces. We've been using the old schema in F-cost so far with ETH0 and so forth while R-cost and new scheme would actually be ENS192 that we'll be releasing OKDGA, hopefully with that new naming scheme without actually breaking old installs. That's at least our goal. Yeah, I hope we can promise, well, I hope we can actually do that, but yeah, we wanna get that fixed in F-cost before we do GA. All right, so as we said, it's all relative to dates, so don't worry too, don't worry, I was gonna do that. So I'm just gonna put in, I'm not sharing my screen again. I apologize, trying to see who that was talking because Dusty, I didn't recognize your name right off the bat, your voice. Yep, that was me, Dusty. Dusty. I just wanted to highlight to Bruce had a question in chat here about, is there a pointer to the vSphere instructions or are those just part of the installer instruction? And Mika, could you say that again? Oh, sorry, I just wanted to highlight Bruce's question from a few minutes ago, make sure we don't lose it. Is there a pointer to the vSphere instructions? Someone, can someone dig that up and share it in the note? My connection seems to be a bit wonky. I didn't get the question again. I'll just, yeah, please. Is there documentation on docs.okdio about doing IPIV sphere? That's a good question. So let's just go take a look. Doesn't look like it, actually. I looked on the, I don't see. That might be, let's go on to look. So I think we're actually sharing the documentation with the OCP latest and there's, at least on the source side and there's only a few things like the OS naming that are different. So even if they're not there, the vSphere IPI should work exactly as the OCP vSphere IPI install. It's just that you'd have to reference or use the different installer binary or build it from the F cost branch and put in, well, yeah, the actual image references in the JSON file in installer should already be updated. So Joseph, to answer your question on Azure, there hasn't been any progress that I'm aware of and it's still sort of blocked on the Fedora side to get us, get the images uploaded to Azure and we won't be blocking the GA release on Azure availability. And Mike's question, yes, the aim, the goal is to get rid of the F cost branches eventually that will probably happen sometime after GA though. So in the 4.6 release, we hope we don't need the F cost branches anymore. For 4.5, we will have that on the F cost branch our releases because we will actually use release 4.5 branch and then we still have to backport a few comments which by then will be merged into master already. So at least on the MCO side, in 4.6 we won't be needing the branch anymore. In 4.5, we will still need it. The installer is still a little bit more on the unclear about when we can get rid of the branch but that's, yeah, we're not blocking GA on that and it should also happen quite soon. I expect in the 4.6 timeframe some time or 4.7 at the latest. But that's not really, yeah, it's not a blocker. And yeah, any other question? And who was the person who was asking for the vSphere link? Not sure I gave you the right one but it was the one that I found searching and you can all, I apologize everybody. I can't see the chat questions when I'm sharing my screen which is why I keep popping back and forth which I'm sure. That's why I mentioned it. That was Bruce by the way. Yeah, I was asking just because I do have a vSphere and I'm working with the IT services people to go through the native installation parts. I installed using bare metal having created the virtual machines. So I know that works. Okay. All right, well hopefully we can get some vSphere stuff going. So I don't see Vadim. Is Vadim on here yet? I think he's still locked up into planning meetings for the day. So I'm gonna say he's a no show for today. I, in light of the June 13th and perhaps July 13th, I get ahead of myself all the time. Perhaps July 15th, release date of the GA. The following week, whatever that Monday is I think maybe another one of the OKDAMA sessions if people are available for it. So I'll tentatively put us all back on the hook for a GA party on whatever the following Monday is there. So I'm just looking at my calendar. That would be July 20th. I don't think I've booked anybody there. On the 13th, we were supposed to this week have an F-cost one, but we had a snafu in the matrix on Monday with live streaming. So for the AMAs, I like to make sure everything's live streamed. So we're gonna reschedule the F-cost one. I have them booked for July 13th. So we may be able to go ta-da or something on the 13th, but I'm not counting on that. So you all should have invites in, or the primaries on that. All should have invites in your inbox for the 13th, including Christian and Vadim, who I want on the call if you can. So we can say how wonderful F-cost is and how dependent we are on them. And Dusty too, who's on the call today? Yeah, Dusty's on the F-cost one, Brent Ben Beard and Colin Walters have all been invited too. So we'll see if they all make it. And that's a pretty loose format. Dusty's just gonna give an overview on what F-cause is and why and maybe a little bit about the release cycle. I'll see if I can get Ben and Colin to do a little song and dance as well. And then we'll just open up for Q and A. And that's the format for whatever we do on the 20th besides throwing up some balloons and announcing, using Joseph's reworked logo for us and figuring out some stickers or something. So that's the great news and a blog post of course. So there's all that. So today I did manage to get one person who had the use case to join us that I talked about last time, the ARM64 use case. So Maya, if you could, if we're okay with that Christian, I'd love to have Maya explain the use case and what he's looking for for her IoT project. If Maya, if you're game, take it away. Yeah, yeah, no worries. It's a little background. I've been working with a company that does retail analytics for two years. So here's in the stores, what are they paying attention to? How do we grab their attention? Controlling content on digital signage.  We've seen increases in sales and so on. The main problem was is that it's running in Android, which is absolutely awful for doing anything. And I've finally gotten my client off of Android and into the idea of Linux and taking the monolithic Android app, which was a pain to maintain and creating all the little bits and pieces. So we have a camera input and then we have an age detection, vendor detection, attention span and so on and so forth.  And it just seems like it's, oh, right, this is a microservices containerized sort of architecture thing. And it's a bit more powerful than your typical IoT thing. This is the device that we run on that I've spent two years designing. It's got a six core ARM64 on it with four gigabytes of RAM. So it's no slouch in terms of power. We can also add Google's TPU module to it or an FPGA if you need a specific bit of processing for a very specific app. And the, I mean, one of the problems with Android, well, exists in both cases is how do you manage a fleet of not just 10 of these, but say 10,000 of them? We do have one client customer that has 38,000 retail locations worldwide. We're rolling out 25 of them in the next month and making sure that we can handle a large scale sort of very wide network of devices is something that's really important to us. One of the reasons we're on ARM is simply that Intel and AMD are too expensive. And one of our direct competitors is now actually one of our customers because their device costs 10 times ours and we spent a lot of money doing the cost optimization. So, getting it on ARM, getting it lower powered, still being able to provide all the services and things that we want. This is like, okay, we take an architecture that is containable, is designable, scriptable and all the rest of it and we drop it on each unit and then we drop it on a thousand units or whatever and to have a server side management console, this is right, all of the devices in Washington State, we're gonna run a campaign in Washington State. So, you click on all the devices in Washington State, you update their configuration, it pushes out functionality or content or whatever and you can do national campaigns or regional stuff. The other thing that we've discovered by designing this architecture is that now actually instead of just being a retail focused infrastructure, we can apply it to a whole bunch of other businesses where security is important, privacy is important, we're subject to GDPR rules in the UK. I can't afford 20 million per data breach. So, keeping everything properly locked down, I've been chatting with Peter Robinson who does a lot of the arm work for Fedora and we've got a trusted platform module in there so we can completely encrypt and own the boot chains, we only run signed images, only images that we sign can run on the device, our images can't run on anybody else's device and so on and so forth. So, it's designed with security and privacy from the outset and to be as flexible as we can possibly make it. So, the camera is just one input. We've also been prototyping and playing with some millimeter wave radar. So, in the retail space, if you have shop displays up, you can't see through them or the camera can't see them through them, but the radar system can. So, you have a better idea of occupancy count based on different types of sensors and things like that. And yeah, we've just started with ARM because when it runs Android better too, it's less expensive. So, we're at a cost per unit of about $2,250 and if you look at Nooks or even AMD's offering, their devices start at that. We've integrated a 4G modem, we've got a Wi-Fi, we've got Ethernet, we've got power over Ethernet. So, we've really made this thing as easy as like stick it to a wall, plug it in and turn it on however you can and it just goes. So, to have that, you know, just turn it on and go and plug in plainness of it requires a lot of sort of backend coordination. But, you know, having the device register itself on the network the first time, do all of its bootstrapping, go to its default configuration. All of that fun stuff is stuff that I never want to do manually ever again. So, that's basically where we're at. Looking at the suite of tools and following OKD, OpenShift, all the operator frameworks, although the sort of let's ditch doctor in favor of something more secure, you know, these are all the things that have been drawing me to OpenShift and OKD and Diane and I have been loosely talking about this for a couple of years and now we're finally at a point where I was like, right, I need some infrastructure set up. I need some people who can set up the cloud side of it that will, you know, set up and execute and deploy hundreds or thousands of units at once. Some added bonus problems, VPNs for, you know, 10,000 remote systems doesn't work very well. So, like communications and things like that. So, there's a few challenges left to be had, but it looks like from a starting point, OKD is the sort of collection of tools and that should make it as easy as possible. Apart from the fact that it mainly runs on x86 and not ARM64, the underlying OS container Linux looks like the best thing, but the last time I saw anything ARM64 related, I dated back to 2015. So, it's really getting an ARM64 build of it and then we're ready to hoover it up and go. Also in terms of the weight of it, we don't need the full K8s distribution and all the extra features. K3 looks far more attractive because it's just like, it's just what we need to run and because we are building walled silos and walled gardens, we can control what does and doesn't need to be supported in that. So, the OKD for IoT, which is sort of a dangerous name, I think OKD of light is probably safer. I love OKD, it's okay. I mean, I want the T-shirt, so I'm just saying. I'm happy to wear the T-shirt too, but some people may not get it. So, just having a lighter weight version of all the stuff that runs in big heavy weight data center instances to be able to run on ARM64 devices with a couple of gigabytes of RAM, maybe 16 gigabytes of storage and still manage to do everything that we want to do. That's it in a large nutshell. Any questions or? So, there's lots of questions I think from my perspective. One, getting a compiled OKD that runs on ARM64 architecture is a blocker and it does sound like fun, but as well as what really understanding better what it is about K3, what we would have to slice off of OKD to make a K3 thing. So, I'm gonna unmute, because I can see that EAM has joined us. So, if people have opinions, I have opinions, I'm tired of mine. I asked why I had to come to share it here be so that some more technical insights might be able to join this conversation. So, please, Christian. So, I may just maybe because Container Linux was mentioned. So, the successor to Container Linux is Fedora CoroS, which we are basing OKD on. So, that's great. And then there's also, so for the use case, I'm not sure whether it does sound to me that maybe Kubernetes isn't really needed in that if it's like sensors and stuff for that run on all the machines anyway. It's maybe more of a provisioning thing. You don't, and for me, Kubernetes is needed when you need this scheduling of workloads across many machines. If all the machines run the same workload anyways, you don't really need it maybe. And then Fedora IoT, which Peter Robinson does, maybe a great alternative there because they also have a provisioning system in place with the ignition configuration, which we also use for OKD and OCP, and they have a service called Zeziray to do that, to sort of have one server that can provision machines with a given config. Because, well, yeah, I think we're a bit further off of a real open shift on ARM right now just because of the resource constraints we have. Most ARM devices won't support it and we can't just make open shift in UK through ES by ripping out pieces. At least not that easily, not that it's never gonna happen, but that's not a thing we can achieve in the short term, I think. But yeah, it does sound like a very interesting project and I'm definitely willing to help with anything there. And I think the first step we can actually do is get all the parts built on the ARM architecture. And then even if there's no machines that really can run them, you could, yeah, at least try to run them or virtualize that or stuff like that. And Vadim may know more here as well. Vadim, I think I have you unmuted, so if you wanna try speaking. Yeah, that sounds like an incredibly interesting project. If I understood correctly, Fedora IoT works on that device so we could use it instead of Fedora CoreOS. Later on, it would be just a matter of building a payload and we can reuse OCP binaries, but majority of them because due to the license constraints, some packages still have to be rebuilt. But given a large built farm that can be done and once we got there, a mass installation would be the tricky part. If the devices have IPMI or any kind of a remote control interface supported by Ironic, we could use bare metal IPI schema to massively provision a lot of instances and make them join the cluster like we do with the standard machines. That would be very impressive. And eventually, all of the clusters we create, we could use open cluster management or whatever the thing is now called from IBM to control various clusters and use Kube federation to move workloads between them and tweak them. So that pretty much is also the issues, except it needs to be done. The tricky part would be getting Fedora IoT on that devices. So if that works, that would be a very huge boost. Once we're done, we could prepare a payload of the OQD dripped off several operators, for instance. You probably don't need telemetry. You probably don't need operator hub. You can't get away with a single Prometheus per cluster and so on and so forth. We have a set of instructions how to do that, but I don't think it says actually being tried right now. So I think there's a few things that we could do. Probably the first is we actually published some sort of lightweight guide to like, hey, if you happen to have resource constrained, a resource constrained hardware set up, what are the things that are optional, right? I think that's valuable for anybody who's not even trying to do this in Maya's case on ARM boards with four gigabytes of memory. So I think that'd be valuable. Regarding Fedora Core OS, we do have a plan to actually support AR64 hardware. We don't have a plan to support 32-bit ARM, but it sounds like you're already on AR64, so you're good there, right? Yeah, and we have unofficial builds right now, but we obviously want to bring the other architectures under the official build pipeline and produce those at the same cadence that we do the others. So we have a plan to get there. I'm just not sure what your time horizon is on it. Well, I'm a customer. I went to yesterday. Of course. I have a question for Maya and I think this kind of, I think we shouldn't overlook what Christian said about, is Kubernetes the right tool for the right job here? But do you predict like meeting the features that Kubernetes is adding? Cause like, I'm struggling to think like, I wouldn't think you'd want to put all these devices into a single cluster, which mean would they be single node clusters? And then the question is, well, what are you really getting out of that? Like, could you just use a container runtime and a nice secure operating system to achieve the same thing, basically? I think one of the core problems here is that without OpenShift today, we don't actually have a story for provisioning any of these systems at scale, like at all, period. The only tool we kind of had for this is being EOLed right now, because once PULP2 is EOLed, we actually have no way of mirroring our PMOS tree or OS trees at all. We have no way of pushing them out at scale. We have no way of replicating them. We have no way of easily provisioning them. And we have no way of tracking those provisioning. Right now, all of that is built into the MCO, which essentially traps you into using OpenShift to do this, even though it's the wrong tool for this whole workload case. Like- Neil, just- Yeah, maybe two. Yeah, stop for a second. Just, yeah, I think Christian already mentioned the, I'm gonna say it wrong, the Fedora IoT's DZR, DZR. Oh, that does some- DZR. The weird name that I can't say. That thing does limited provisioning for it. It's not quite to, I think, the extent that Maya's asking for, but it could be evolved to do so. We still don't have the replication or the locality things that are required to make that actually efficient. Right now, this actually automatically happens when you have OpenShift clusters and you're deploying them because it will replicate the OS tree payloads within the infer nodes and then deploy them to all of the worker nodes and then reschedule them and bring them up and stuff like that. There is no equivalent to this for the non-OpenShift case right now because the only tool that did this is now EOL. Which you're referring to is, is Pulp? Pulp 2. Pulp 2. Pulp 2 is the only implementation of a mirroring replicator, mass, whatever for OS trees. Nobody wrote anything else and Pulp 3 doesn't have support for OS trees, but we got nothing. Okay, so actually that's all good points, but I'd like to go back to Dusty's suggestion that we do some documentation about what you can strip out for resource constrained deployments of OKD. I think that might be a nice good first step, not that I'm volunteering to write that, but as we get to GA, I'm just looking for new things to do. And I'm also looking for something that can be leveraged to compete against the Rancher K3 project as well that is not tied to Docker and some other things along that line. So I'm also trying to think about what we do next as a working group and what the use cases are, which is, Maya, you're a guinea pig, face it for this topic. That's okay. You've heard all this, tell us what you're thinking now that you've gotten the brain dump or a dump. So I have been playing a little bit with Fedora IoT and played with the unpronounceable provisioning tool. And it is still very limited. You can add the root SSH key and set a couple of basic parameters, but you can't really push out any of the OS tree stuff. I've been playing with silver, blue and looking at that mechanism in Fedora IoT with respect to Fedora IoT on ARM. I've got a developer who's working right now on the U-boot and the primary boot letter or the first boot letter that we can configure from the processor. So it actually lives external to main storage and we're adding functionality to it to be able to scan the system image and confirm that it's a proper signed image. And if it isn't, it has the ability to call home over the modem over ethernet to download an image which would really help for the first provisioning and bootstrapping process if all of the baseboards can say, oh, right, I don't have an OS. I'll go get one. So we're looking at that. As the provisioning and the management is really the biggest problem. So whether or not we need a full feature K3 or K8 is probably heavily debatable. But we do want to be able to change, add things to the single node cluster or the single device, add services, delete services. And the management or the monitoring of those services also important because that determines billing. If you're doing loads of age detection stuff because that's important to you, we're going to charge you for that. And we're not going to charge you if you don't care about gender detection. So whatever the business cases are for the particular modules that we're running. So knowing how much compute that takes, if it's using the TPU or not, if you're using an accelerated version, the configurations won't change dramatically. They'll change maybe once a week or a couple of times a month. And there's no, it's not like a giant web app. There's no need for horizontal scaling or vertical scaling. It does what it does. So the IoT and the OS trade model may be perfectly sufficient. So long as we can add containerized devices where we don't have to worry about dependency clashes. I hate PHP for all the different versions that have ever come out. I thought I'm not really enjoying much more. So, and things like that and wherever little bits of obscure source disappear and come from, I want those in a container. I don't ever have to worry about rebuilding them. So I see some heads nodding and it's a familiar story that I've heard at every tech conf about apps and their evolution and or devolution and self-destruction. So, the provisioning, the scaling, the resource monitoring and the management across the fleet. It's what Neil was describing about the replication and the getting the base level OS done, installed across everything. If that tool is now disappearing, then that's slightly worrying. Charles joined us. So you walked into an interesting conversation, Charles. So everyone who joins late is gonna go, what the heck are we talking about here? So... Oh, no, I know you think I'll just, well-prepared for what you're talking about. Garo, do you have a magical do-it-yourself solution for mirroring OS trees? Ask me next week.  I just throw in some more context here to really make it difficult to follow. So Fedora IoT and Fedora Coro are related, and we wanna move them closer together. Right now, there are some subtle differences though, which I'm not sure how that would affect using Fedora IoT as an OKD base, for example, because in Fedora IoT, we run the ignition stage in the real root on the first boot, while in Fedora CoroS and Reddit CoroS, we actually run it in the inner drum FS. So we wanna move all of that closer together and make it a coherent story, also with silver blue, but that is unfortunately a little bit further out still as well because of priorities. But yeah, I do expect that that'll be easy in the future to sort of interchangeably use Fedora IoT and F-Cos and maybe Fedora IoT will kind of become the arm spin of F-Cos, even though I think Peter Robinson won't like that and we will have to change things in F-Cos. So yeah, and there will be some changes in the Fedora CoroS world as well to sort of align that in the future, but that's nothing we can do today or tomorrow, it's like a long-term thing. And I don't wanna promise too much here, but it's definitely on our radar, it's just not something that's a super high priority right now, but it would, so I'm not sure how easily it can be done to sort of switch out F-Cos with Fedora IoT. If we have, or once we have the F-Cos arm builds, that will be much easier, of course, to just use F-Cos for that platform instead of using IoT. I think eventually it's a goal for us to not have separate arm distributions but just have one Fedora IoT that is also the Fedora CoroS, but yeah, we're not there yet. So just throwing that in there to make confusion complete. Yeah, so I think, well, on the 13th we'll have another AMA session with the F-Cos folks and Dusty through his name and if you wanna reach out directly to him, he's the community manager for F-Cos. And so it might be a good connection for you, Maya. I still like I'm gonna keep going back to circling the drain. Dusty's suggestion about creating some documentation around what is a minimal viable OKD deployment or what things can you remove? One, because I'm always gonna put my cards, it gets me closer to a K3S or is it K3S, K38 or whatever K3S? K3S. K3S, competing thing maybe. But it also, it starts to inform us and maybe what we can ask of Maya too is to look at that and see what else, if we've dropped anything she might need for this kind of IoT deployment or there's even more that deeper cuts we could make. I think that once we get to GA, which I know is not until the 13th, the 15th, the 20th, whenever. Somebody's saying dates now. You missed it. You missed it. Christian said a date. I'm like, nah, you're not talking dates. Christian said July 13th. Oh my. He did not, he said the 15th. And then I said we do another OKD for a GA, AMA on the 20th of July because unbent things will slide again. So I'll book us for, I'll pencil us in and Cheryl, I'll invite you as well and everybody here to come and join me in that. Amy makes an excellent point though. Christian never specified what year that was. Right, it could be the year 3000. That's true. Exactly. All along in a dust to the wind. Best wait for it. Yeah, just wait for it. It's coming, right. So anyways, we might get a t-shirt that says achievement unlocked, I suppose. I think at this point it's probably well-deserved for one of those. Figure out what I can finally figure out how to order t-shirts. So that's like just asking other folks for advice. Well, back in your original point, a minimally viable OKD would also make it more approachable for folks that are doing like code ready containers, right? If we could build a code ready containers OKD version that was even more compact so that you didn't have to have a, you know, an Alienware workstation to run it. That would be nice. Yeah, I mean, there's also a real good, you know, community slash outreach opportunity here, which is very close to what Maya's doing, which is there's a whole lot of very cost friendly, fun hobbyist type boards like Raspberry Pi or the, all of the stuff from the Pine 64 folks. You know, if we could effectively deliver something AR64 based that could run on something with four gigabytes of RAM, you know, there's an opportunity there to bring a lot of people in that might not have otherwise been able to try out OKD. Yeah, I think, you know, I kind of like, I like the way we're talking about this now. And when Diane was first mentioning, you know, like what can we cut away? My first thought was almost, can we invert this and say, you know, and I feel like this is something that's missing in OpenShift Container Platform as well. But like, can we show a documentation or an architecture that says, these are the core components you need to make it. And this is how everything fits together as you build it, you know, because even looking at OpenShift Container Platform, it's really difficult to figure out like, how do these pieces fit together? You know, what is this operator doing that? You know, so I think starting to build that map so that someone could build the core pieces and then start to figure out, how do I plug this and how do I plug that to me would be really valuable. Yeah, it's unfortunate that we don't know how OpenShift is actually put together. We're getting... I'm in the middle of this and I barely understand how it's put together. What are you talking about? Yeah, no, that's the putting it together part. And we have a few constraints that will probably crop up in sort of more IoT or distributed applications. We need to speak to the underlying hardware. You know, we need to be able to talk to the CSI camera interfaces and be able to put stuff out on the HDMI output. And with the TPU module or an FPGA, those are connected via a PCIe channel. So, you know, we need to be able to talk to the underlying hardware and have support. I know that, you know, NVIDIA Docker's been around for ages, so you can run, you know, Docker apps on NVIDIA GPUs. So it's not new, but it is something that needs to be built up. And, you know, the ability to run container apps, coordinate them, update them, add and delete them and have them talk to native hardware. That's my starting point.  They'll compile it down, deploy it onto a device, and then, you know, watch all the statuses of all those devices. And for, you know, the accountants, make sure that all the billing is done appropriately. Christian just popped an operator. That's going to be our answer to everything. There's an operator for that. That's the... Is SRO going mainstream, though? Because I had heard that was kind of like an experiment. So is it, is that actually going to graduate or... What? What? Who wrote it? I thought that was... I have no idea, actually. It's called the special resources operator. It's like a way to manage things like kernel modules and stuff like that that you might need on the host. It's been developed in collaboration with NVIDIA, I think. That seems like the scary part. Yeah, my understanding, though, Dusty, was that Zvonco had originally put together the SRO and that we were going to eventually transition over to NVIDIA's operator. And then, you know, we were going to, you know, SRO and that we were going to eventually transition over to NVIDIA's operator. Are we going back to SRO now? I think where SRO is going to be more generic. So, like, technically anybody could take and make an operator based on this and manage things like kernel modules. There's an open shift enhancement for it. Let me see if I can grab a link. My cache is probably just stale at this point as well. There was a time when that SRO was just looking at NVIDIA stuff, but now it's like, yeah, it identifies any special hardware and then runs the operator. Yeah. So, honestly, that's the freakiest thing I've seen and I don't know how much I'm comfortable with the fact that there's an operator that just, you know, kind of messes around with kernel modules and does weird things with hardware initialization. It's already bad enough when you're working with the kernel directly. Like, I don't know if you want to add operators to this. It's freaky. It's freaky. But this is how we're enabling like GPU workloads and NVIDIA me, other types of. NVIDIA. That would be so nice if they were just open source. Yeah. Yeah. And in your dreams, mine too. The other news today that I was going to share with the group was the operator framework finally got the number of votes and as of this morning, it is officially going to be an incubated product in CNCF. So we got one last vote in and I think it was announced on the TOC mailing list. It hasn't been publicly announced anywhere, but as you know. Is that a good thing? That is a really effing good thing. We have been trying. Why? Why? Because one, it's a pattern for operators that is becoming sort of a standard for it and the OLM and the SDKs are in wide use. And we need, and this is me with my red hat on, we need to get more external eyeballs on that workload so that it's not, you know, so that it's not a red hat only effort to maintain and resource it. And people have been asking us to do this for a long time. There were a lot of roadblocks in the way, but with a lot of patients, we've been at this effort to get it incubated for, I'd say, what is it June? Probably last October, I think is when the first time I touched the CNCF TOC and pushed their request out to be incubated. But it's been a long haul. And it's good. It is definitely a good thing for operators period. It's a pretty.  Well, yeah, I think you exchanged that for the number of more eyeballs and sunlight on what we're doing. And yeah, right now it's a very red hat heavy, shall we say. That'll change, of course, now if it's in CNCF, but certainly don't want the extra paperwork involved. Yeah, but you wouldn't want it to become like Apache Cassandra and data stacks, right? You know, there was an opportunity for Cassandra to be a much bigger ecosystem than it ended up being because it really was controlled by a single entity. Yeah, I'm not saying, and that sort of proves that moving it to the CNCF doesn't necessarily imply that that's what'll happen, right? True. You just literally gave me the counterpoint. It's like just moving it from data stacks to ASF didn't fix Cassandra. They used the ASF policies to control it even further. Now I expect that red hat is not so stupid as data stacks and will not make the same mistake, but just because the paperwork says it belongs to somebody else doesn't mean it actually does. So, and sometimes the paperwork is also enough to make people a little more hesitant than they were before. So those are all things that you have to be careful about. Like I've seen a lot of recently TOC submissions to the CNCF. It's not like I don't sit there and watch all the things happening there. You kind of have to. But like one of the bigger problems is that if a project transitions to CNCF, things have to be reverse validated for all the contributions. And that makes things very complicated for projects where people don't want to sign legal agreements or can't. And so that's ugly. I totally understand that. I mean, it's good. It's a good thing in general for the ecosystem, but like paperwork sucks and adding more of it does not necessarily make it better. But proprietary appearances or us being control freaks about something or being labeled that about operator framework has, I think, hindered even further adoption. So, you know, it's what can I say, and I'm just happy that they're going to start giving like a KubeCon and other things. We can have an operator con, you know, event, you know, set like they have prom com and things like that. So we can start building a bigger community, more open community about that. The CLAs and CAs and all those things are, you know, that's part of the CNCF governance. I can't do much about that. So on that cheerful note. And thank you for making it down or out of a good thing there, Neil. I'm just going to say that out loud. No, no, no, it's a good thing. It's a really good thing, but it just means that like it, the contribution model it revolves, you know, going through CNCF modeling rather than the store, the normal, more free spirited red hat model of the machine. Okay. So before we go, because we get four more minutes, Joseph, you have an issue and I'm trying to track it down here that you were talking about that you're going to pop into there. Do you want to just mention it so you get on the record with the recording, which I'll post what it was that you were. I'm going back in here. I'm just writing about a problem with mirroring operator hopper, but I will open an issue for that. I'm not sure if it's a bug or just a misuse from usage. I will clarify that offline. Okay, cool. All right. Well, thank you everybody. And thank you Maya for coming. What I'd like to do is I'm going to put in the issue tracker, the idea of creating documentation on what an MVP of OKD would look like. I think that it's a good conversation to have. I'll bring up, I'll mention it on the F cause AMA so that people outside of the universe that we live in will. Yeah. Thanks Christian. We'll, we'll get word of it and we'll see what we can do to move this forward because, you know, we always need a challenge and GA is next and theoretically everything is just automated after this. The builds just happen. The feedback comes back. It's all wonderful. So we need something new to do in the OKD working group. Not that there isn't more work. So anyways, thank you. Thank you everybody for joining us today. I'm going to let you all go before my network goes down because it has been wonky today. So thanks again and we'll talk to you all soon. And Maya, make sure you look up dusty on free node IRC. Good for good connections made. Perfect. Take care guys. Thank you. Bye bye.


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Frontier fighters, exciting adventures in the lives of those famous pioneers who blaze trails in the Old West. Prior to 1860 it took 34 days for Butterfield's overland stage to get mail from St. Joseph, Missouri over the plains and mountains to the Pacific Coast. But now a national crisis had arisen. Great news concerning north and south was coming out of the capital every day and such news must travel fast from one coastline to the other. Said Postmaster General Joseph Holt to Mr. Majors of the firm of Russell Majors in Waddell. The time for the Butterfield overland stage is approximately 34 days. I think we can cut such time to 24 days. Mr. Majors you're still thinking in terms of faster stagecoaches. I'm thinking in terms of horses and men. Riders carrying mail pouches using horses and relays at stages or stations so many miles apart. Pony Express. Mr. Postmaster General that's a great idea. No Mr. Majors. How much better can we do than 34 days from St. Joseph to Sacramento. 15 days sir. 10 days for the regular schedule and the contract is yours. We can do it sir. Good. But I expect the service to be kept on schedule 24 hours a day irrespective of weather or hazards of any kind. You my word sir. When you hire your men Mr. Majors you'd better warn them. Uncle Sam expects the mail to go through little did the Postmaster General realize that the men hired by Russell Majors in Waddell thrived on taking chances. Just before the Pony Express service was opened they're walked into Mr. Majors office in St. Joseph Missouri an amazing boy of 14. Well Yonker what's your business. I'm looking for Mr. Majors. He's pretty busy these days hiring men for the Pony Express. Well that's just what I come to talk to Mr. Majors about you. I ain't aiming to be laughed at Mr. Or have you make light of my being a man I'm a veteran rider trapper scouting Indian. Put them up I tell you what's going on in here. Well next time you hire a bookkeeper you'd better tell them to come on. Remember me Mr. Majors I was a bullwacker for you and I was 10 years old out on the old South Platte Trail where you're not little Willie Cody say you put on weight and muscle how old are you son why I'm going on 15 your clerk there got me sore I didn't mean to pull a gun sir I don't want you to think I'm a killer little Willie Cody say I guess I better not call you that now Mr. Majors do I get a job as Pony Express rider unless my age is again me it isn't a man's age that's ever against him it's his metal you're hired Bill Cody well I'll not fail you sir it's dangerous work believe 2,000 miles of the worst country in the world man and beast pounding along at 15 miles an hour it'll break some of the riders that'll be the test of a man Mr. Majors the Pony Express was a race against time stations were built 15 miles apart with a change of horses at each interval the fleet is horses were used in the lightest most wiry and experienced riders the messages written on the thinnest paper were carried in a waterproof pouch slung under the shooting irons of the rider Bill Cody's route pushed farther west all the time farther west the more dangerous it became galloping into the station at three crossings Cody found the place in an uproar his relief rider had just been killed right and pick them all Cody looks like you'll have to go right on to Rocky Ridge now that's a run of 85 miles you can count on me when you better turn in get about three hours sleep that means that these dispatches will be three hours late getting into Sacramento at the end of the run we're pretty you're getting killed in an act of God now we can't help that all I want a fresh pony so you're crazy as a bed bug that's what you are you'll kill yourself off on a ride like this all I want to fresh pony how's that California roam this precious a daisy the fastest in the stable all right mark me up for that run to rock great you'll have the Indians land for you down three hours it'll be more than wait you know Cody I tell you to wait this mail is going through we just got to get through oh pasties on to the next rider good luck to him you crazy fool you can't ride that horse I'm riding her back to my own station red views expect my roundtrip will be for 21 hours he ain't the craziest rider of this whole darn pony express he'll be dead before he's even come of age country from Maine to California under the stars and Cody thrived on danger and he not alone grew to man's estate but many years beyond that the Civil War saw him on the Union side where he distinguished himself as a scout after the war he added more laurels to his crown by scouting for General Sherman and General Custer this youngster at 20 was a veteran pony express rider soldier in scout in 1867 when Bill Cody was 21 years old he was living in Fort Hayes in Kansas the captain and four lieutenants newly arrived at the fort spotted a herd of buffaloes so did Cody I'd have to get him to mister yes sir I spotted them buffalo coming up we'll just plumb out of fresh meat expect to catch up with those buffalo on that gothic street of yours you mean Brigham well he's the best buffalo horse in the west and I suppose you're the best buffalo hunter I'm fair to Midland I do bring down a bull once and while it isn't my fault I give all the credit to Brigham and my rifle here Lucrezia Borgia hey can that thing really shoot I reckon it does look funny but it's a breach load needle gun I had it made over to suit me and look there's the hurt come on man you hear all that Brigham well let's just run in the head of those eastern dudes and show them if I take the whole hurt he can feed a buffalo Lucrezia Borgia I'm not running away what's your business stranger and Cody William Frederick Cody you're not Cody the famous scouting Indian fighter I've done little scouting of my day if you'll excuse me captain I business with Mr. Cody well that doesn't feed the contract feed the men constructing the Kansas Pacific Railroad we need 12 buffalo a day dangerous work because we're building more in the Indian country every day but I'll pay you well how much does it take I don't think you'll pay it name your price I know it's too high $500 a month it's a deal I'll give you your chance to take your offer back don't want it back when you can you start to work well if it's up to me I'm on the payroll right now and what's your name again I'm sure to memory William Frederick Cody just call me Bill all right I'll tell my brother that I just hired the best hunter in the United States Buffalo Bill Buffalo Bill through the long life that nature so generously gave to him often returned to both scouting and Indian fighting the call of the planes brought him back time and again he grew lean on civilization but thrived on danger the years rolled on the railroad conquered the planes and desert yet the Indian remained hostile and bitter to the end settlers all through the west were harassed frightened and killed above all others the Indians hated the soldiers and their scouts on the morning of July 17 1876 general merit was called to put down the bloodthirsty Cheyennes he sent Cody with some soldiers to ascertain their number and see if it was possible to ambush them general merit stood on a promontory watching there must be a lot of them somewhere about Cody Reckon so there's your Indians I don't see them yet you will huh just seems they show color we see their number we'll make a run for it all right Bill just as you say but I'd rather stay and fight it out with a Cheyenne there they are must be 200 of them general merit should be able to pick out their number now with his glasses yeah there they are out in the open man get the general merit I'll have to put up a stand here stay with you Bill oh get the general merit don't lose this safe for Robert the day came when the west was safe for all the citizens of the United States thanks to such great Indian fighters and scouts as William F. Cody Buffalo Bill and so ends a breathtaking moment of history and the story of another frontier fighter