And let me tell you folks, if you don't subscribe to the Patreon audio version where you get the pre-show Then you don't know why Joss Whedon isn't Shakespeare and there's just no explaining it First of all, they're two different people. Are they? Do we have evidence of that? I guess, but the thing is a lot of Shakespeare's works were being performed before Joss Whedon was born I have these 15 points That show that Joss Whedon could be Shakespeare Listen, it does seem like the science suggests that they are, should we say were? Or are? Averins? Not alive at the same time because one of them is still alive So yeah, I guess you say were because one of them was and the other is Yeah, so they weren't alive. Or if you want to be non-temporal you say are Like I don't I don't privilege a particular point in time Another time is not Right, so Yeah, I understand we shouldn't trust experts, but The science does suggest that they are not the same. We should trust experts I think the problem is sometimes people say they're experts when they're not Well, the thing is we don't know the the the science is settled now But you know at some point we might discover things like Time Lords and other yeah, that's not not trusting the experts That's just having a healthy skepticism about what our confidence levels and things are which is called science Right, so the whole the whole thing the whole problem with all discourse is people wanting to like just tell me what's right And what's wrong and the fact of the matter is like we only have Probability levels on all of that You know, I hear you say it's 95 percent probable and then the five percent plays out that doesn't mean you were stupid That just means that's why we said 95 and not 100 Yeah, I hear you saying stuff, but uh, all I understand is There's a possibility that just we didn't and william shakes me It's like you're saying there's a chance So, you know, I I'm just I'm just gonna go with that So he brings bacon says you guys are experts and I trust you Well, zoe, thank you and also thank you for the bacon Mm-hmm and the coffee zoe always always bringing hot coffee into the irc chat Would you go? I can't I wish I could drink coffee, but I can't everyone talks about it in such a it's delicious reverent tone Why can't you drink it because it gives me a horrible stomach ache No Yeah, I wouldn't drink it either then if I were you Yeah, you think Well, so if we want to be exact You actually can it's just that it's painful so you don't and physically it's possible for you to drink coffee I mean, why should we avoid pedantry? It's not what we do here that would be a great title for the epis for the post show Yeah, I don't post show pre-shows why avoid pedantry I am after all Oh, you controls at some point Roger Chang is gonna require and I already gave it to him All right find all over okay Chill geez Tom wow see you're French and I'm American aggressively already did it and over chief All right She was looking at the sort of perfect strangers Rogers Roger Yeah, always can't be anything else Shall we then Let's Here we go Oops Here we go again Daily tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside organizations If you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis Coming your way commercial free find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for tuesday august 29th 2017. I'm Tom married Patrick Beja alongside to bring you What's happening? Help you understand the world of technology. Thank you for joining us Patrick I am uh honored and happy to be allowed to join you Tom Well, thank not only me but our producer roger chang who is here as well to make sure this all goes swimmingly. Thank you roger You're welcome. And that's it for the show everybody. Have a great time No, no, no, we're actually we're gonna talk about uh google's new augmented reality announcement and and use that as an opportunity To talk about where are we with augmented reality right now because with microsoft had a big announcement yesterday Uh apple of course had an announcement at w w dc. So augmented reality table setting Is done now. It's just time to see what y'all are into I'd even say things might have changed for from six months or a year ago in that regard Yeah, absolutely, but let's start with a few tech things you should know YouTube launched a new logo that puts the youtube play button before The word's youtube instead of having the big red splotch over the word tube YouTube also launched the ability to swipe left or right to move through recommended videos And the ability to speed up or slow down playback on mobile Hmm Nintendo announced it will wind down several we use services including the meverse social network on november 8th The company will provide a way for users to download their own posts via the meverse web interface The tv and we you chat app will be shut down Uh So well those two people if we use still That sound you just made Almost nobody made in the world because obviously they didn't sell a lot of we use although it was a very interesting console Well, no they had it had great games. Um, but yeah, they're making room basically in their Uh, bandwidth to work on stuff for their very successful follow-up to the we you the switch Yeah, they would like you to switch Now here are some top stories amazon announced support for multi room music on the amazon echo Tuesday and in fact the amazon echoes kind of sold out so people are like Hey, is there a new amazon echo model coming out? Anyway, though users can now tell one echo to play music on an echo located in another room Or even have the same songs play on multiple echoes at launch This feature works with amazon music tune in i heart radio and pandora But it should work with spotify and serious xm soon amazon announced a multi room music sdk for third party device makers So people who put amazon voice services in their own devices That's coming so they'll be able to do the same thing starting early next year And an api is rolling out to let third parties use amazon voice services to control Music playback amazon says it has been working with sonos bows and samsung On this api if you remember sonos revealed plans for a voice controlled speaker in an fcc filing And they have now scheduled an announcement for october 4th It's a you know more than a month away, but sounds like we're going to get a voice activated sonos speaker that works with amazon voice services That seems like amazon is ready to take over the entire market.  What's the device smart speaker? I think is yeah the one I prefer these days We've heard rumors about samsung having a smart speaker as well And they have such an advance amazon wasn't a ruin. It's not a rumor anymore He actually said it on the record at the unboxed event. He said yeah, we're working on a smart speaker And that might be an alexa smart speaker So amazon already has such a a significant advance over everyone in the market namely Apple and google that this might help them Expand their lead kind of reminds me what they did with kindle Where they put out kindle devices But then they put their apps out on a bunch of other platforms So that if you didn't want a device you could still buy your kindle books So now almost all people buy ebooks through kindle because of that Well, the wall street journal says its sources say apple and movie studios have been have been having difficulty agreeing on the price of 4k movies to be sold in apples itude store Apple supposedly wants 4k movies to sell for 20 bucks Which is the top price for current hd releases the studios would like a price point of 25 to 30 dollars apple always picks fights on prices and I don't know that it's exactly why you think it is I mean part of it is that they want they they think they can make more by having a Smaller price that they'll sell more, but they don't care so much about making money off the stuff They want people to buy their new device So if it's true that apple is coming out with a new 4k version of the apple tv They're way more concerned with selling those Than they are with selling the individual movies. So they want a nice easy 20 dollar price point That's something that fits nicely in your head 30 dollars sounds expensive But 30 or 35 dollars is what you'd pay right now in the few places that you can buy a 4k movie So of course the studio is very reasonably want to keep it there It is, you know, it's all a question of How the market is moving, of course I've done a very quick and informal survey of my followers Whether or not they had a actually I really should say uhd tv because 4k is a little bit bigger I've been reprimanded about that by a few people Um, but um We are currently at about 25 percent. Let's say by Christmas of people who either own that's about 20 percent or plan on buying a 4k uhd tv And uh, that's within a very geeky community So I suspect it's obviously a lot higher than in the general population But I think when the population is a little bit smaller you can milk them for Much higher prices because they're hungry for content When uh There is a little bit more and I think we might be starting to reaching that point I think the the prices have to start coming down because if they don't people are a little bit Frustrated and outraged and if they are Um, I don't know that they're going to be outraged at the studios when they go to iTunes and see a 30 price point A 30 box price point for a movie that they might even already own in hd And maybe it's a movie that they've already purchased previously in other Formats and they see a 30 dollars right point price point. They might say Apple that's bs and I think the I mean the way this is supposed to work Uh is I am a movie maker I sell my movies wholesale to the digital distributors at my price point And then they can mark them up as they please and they'll decide what their profit is, but Everybody wants to control the perception. Everybody wants to really slice that profit margin as fine as possible It's certainly understandable. So the studios think well, we don't want to devalue this because If you sell it at 20 dollars on apple, then we're going to have to sell it at 20 dollars everywhere else So we don't want to undercut ourselves that way and of course apple is thinking what you just said People are going to blame us for the price. Let's let's keep it lower Let's let we'll sell a lot of these if people look at it and go. Oh, well, that's the same as an hd version So yeah, sure. Why not? And you know, they can sell it again, which is a nice I would think I mean I actually would be fine with 25 or 30 dollars If you also add The ability to upgrade the one I already own So I have guardians of the galaxy one if you say, hey, you can get a 4k version of that for $5 more Uh, just just add it on then sure then then when you buy it fresh It's 25 or 30 dollars But when you buy something that you already have you just pay the difference. That would be cool Yeah, I still think 25 maybe 30 is really A bit expensive. Um, and just even if the studio is windless, it's not going to stay there. You're absolutely right. Sure. Yeah Just one last little thing to mention about this fight quote-unquote historically the content creators have had a relatively poor track record at the content creator the copyright holders have had a relatively poor track record at understanding customers expectations We've seen this with drm with music streaming and stuff like that. So You know, I would maybe be on the side of the technology companies to understand what the users actually expect and want Yeah Drew Nielsen says that tv manufacturers releasing 4k tv's before the spec was finalized people refer to 4k because that's what they learned first Instead of referring to ultra hd premium, which is the name of the certification. It includes hdr I say 4k and hdr because those are the two different things you can have 4k with hdr Or you can have 4k without I don't say ultra hd because to me that feels just like a marketing term for something That actually Confuses the issue. So the thing is 4k is actually a higher resolution than uhd just to buy a few pixels, but that's what they're using production Yes, it is And it's actually what they use in production And that's how they in cinema and that's how they film from I say yes very confidently. I'm 95 percent sure And that So it's actually a different resolution not by a lot, but it is so that's why I thought it was just a rounding thing for 4k To be honest, it isn't that's what I thought as well, but it turns out it isn't So if you say you ultra hd And you say hdr and you say 4k you're saying three different things. Yes uber announced it will stop its practice of tracking user location after a trip ends with an update to the ios app this week Followed by the android app after that uber also paid a 3.72 million dollar fine to the philippines and granted 5.87 million dollars in financial assistance to philippine drivers in order to resume operations in that country and Uber rolled out a free insurance program for more than 450 000 registered drivers in india Now they have a brand new ceo He's talked about how he he never sought this job But it was too good of an opportunity to pass up and he's going to do all these great things Which is all the things that you would expect him to say as a brand new ceo of uber But they are you know three moves in a 24 hour period to say let's fix a few things here I mean all of these are interesting the one that I wonder about is the The fact that they're not going to be tracking people after they leave the app and I wonder if it is as Some journalists have speculated linked to the change in ios 11 Where people can decide whether or not they can the app can use your location Only while while you're using it or all the time But not only that it also displays a little blue bar On top of the screen when the app is using your location. So it would have made that Use of their user's location a lot more visible and it feels like that is a Controversy waiting to happen as people realize that uber is still tracking them Even though they have agreed to it people actually realize that uber is still tracking them after you know They've they're done with the assert well and uber said We're just doing it to improve our service because we want to know where people go after they're dropped off So that we can pick better drop-off points and that all makes sense But not giving me the opportunity to not participate in that part of making your service better was not okay Because I don't know you say you're going to stop tracking me after the first few minutes But that's not the permission i'm giving you So you can do whatever you want because I just gave you permission to do it. I never liked that Yeah, I mean unless in the os the os actually shows you very clearly that the app is still tracking you which Apple is already doing it's not impossible. Uh, google would start doing it with android as well Anyway You can do it in google too It's it's just a matter of the fact that uber didn't want to give you the option To not to not have it track you when you're not using the app They they were trying to take that away from you and that was not okay Facebook announced it will block pages from advertising on facebook it found to repeatedly share stories determined to be fault To be false. I'm sorry. Basically facebook is going to block advertising for pages That have been sharing stories that are determined to be false Pages can regain the ability to run ads by resuming sharing stories not determined to be false And i'll be honest if you have a problem with this It's all having to do with whether facebook is accurately Determining whether pages are sharing false items or not It's all in that process they use which they they go through a lot of hoops To say it has to be reported several times. It has to be vetted by multiple organizations These are the organizations we're using that we think are are bipartisan So, you know the hashtag portal to hell that justin rubber young talks about is all there If you if you trust that facebook is good at this Then you shouldn't have a problem with this like hey if somebody's out there spreading misinformation They shouldn't be able to to advertise their services and facebook's losing money right because they're saying you can't spend money with us to advertise your service So it's not like facebook's being greedy. However, if you think facebook is going to use this to silence someone Or you don't trust that they're actually identifying the false stories then this is not a good policy And I think this is the key here as we discussed the Responsibility or who will be blamed for different issues between apple and the movie studios I think facebook has done a pretty good job at at trying to Distance itself from the Decision process right that they are explaining very clearly We're outsourcing the decision to other entities who should be Neutral and who should have a pretty good handle on what is actually a false piece of information or not But this is going to be the key thing in the portal to hell Discussion it's going to be whether or not they managed to actually distance themselves from that because there are going to be stories that are determined to be false by whatever system they choose and Estimated to be not false by some people And whether or not those people You know decide or understand that facebook is responsible or those other organizations is going to make A huge headache or not for for facebook itself. Yeah, and it is interesting They're not saying we're taking away your revenue.  So it doesn't benefit facebook's bottom line It stops the spread of information and it all rests on on that the system which patrick i'll be honest I'm a little not shocked, but I am a slight bit surprised that we haven't seen a big controversy Over a story being marked false and then found to be not false that the system so far has not caused any Large amount of controversy that way well, I think you know in all honesty for all of the Warriness about all of this. I think facebook is doing a pretty good job at That process they're maybe hard for people to admit But I think you're right. Yeah, it's they're they're choosing Entities that are actually good at You know Investigating on those stories and requiring multiple of those entities just one Apple and Accenture announced a partnership to help businesses build applications for ios Special teams made up of Accenture and Apple employees will help the Accenture customers with software development User interface design stuff like that first special team will be located in san francisco and the focus will include things like Apps for use in devices in the lobby of a bank either by the teller or by the customer Augmented reality apps for use by service technicians apple If you didn't know has a lot of these enterprise level partnerships They have one with ibm deloitte sisco and now with Accenture So this is apple's continued moves to have an enterprise presence Without creating an entire enterprise division Yeah, it's a weird interesting way of going about it and it seems you mentioned there are a few others But they've only started to happen in the past Two three years maybe Um, I think two years or so pretty close. Yeah, it might be three or four, but still yeah, not not not for very long And it feels like I don't want to say an an on apple thing to do Um But it feels a little bit strange for apple to be doing it's quite clever because It allows them to expand their reach in the enterprise business without themselves having to go Fully into that That line of work, which is very different and kind of difficult to build up from the ground up and also, I might even Venture to say I'm not sure the apple DNA is built for that kind of That kind of work that kind of relationship building in that kind of project management So maybe that's the right way to go, but it's it's strange to see apple expand their Their activities in that field in that way it may it may feel strange from consumer point of view But man is it necessary like if they want to compete They need to be out there in the same playing field as microsoft and dell and hp. It's just yeah, but I mean traditionally They've let the products sort of install themselves in whatever portion of The enterprise business they could get I don't think they've actively tried to cultivate that part of their business Not in a long time anyway. Yeah, right and and this feels a little bit microsoft e in a way Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com You can also get it on your amazon echo and in the anchor app at anchor dot fm So google on something called ar core It's an sdk. It's in preview today. You can download it along with some ar core demos It works with java open gl unity and unreal It was created by the android team and the vr group. It was not created By the atap team who created tango and in fact side note Tango not a not a thing anymore. They're not calling it tango tango phones are just phones that are ar core ready Although the ar core sdk is different than the tango sdk They do say that the ar core sdk should work on a tango phone and could take advantage of stuff But the key difference is ar core doesn't need the depth sensors that the tango phone uses They can take advantage of just the camera and accelerometer that exist on current phones And be able to do their mapping and motion tracking and detecting of horizontal surfaces there And one other thing that ar core does well is light estimation So if you put a virtual object in a dark room The virtual object will have shadows on it And if you turn on the lights, then the virtual object will have lights turn off on it It can also sync data across multiple devices So if you have two people in a room with ar core running on their phones They can share information so that everybody sees the same objects in the same place and it helps improve accuracy So far the google pixel and the samsung galaxy s8 are the only certified phones for ar core Uh, but they say they're working with lg wall way aces and others So they want to spread this out to their android devices But in that respect It's very similar to daydream the vr the virtual reality product In that you have to have a phone certified before it'll work on it But one of the things that clay bavor the vp of google's augmented and virtuality division told ar's technica is They don't want this tied to androids update cycle They want this to be able to work independently of the android os updates Uh, so so they're they're going slow with that Also, there's a custom ar browser that supports the sdk and allows ar enhanced websites to work with ar core and even with ar kit ios is augmented reality So this is a big this is a big deal and when we compare it to yesterday's announcement from microsoft about all their windows mixed reality stuff coming We now can see three big augmented reality players and windows mixed reality is augmented reality, but it's also vr It's mostly vr because it's headsets But don't forget microsoft has hollow lens So they're very much into the ar and microsoft's plan is to make headsets that plug into a computer But don't cost as much as an oculus or a vive ios his plan is to make stuff that works on ios which means your iphone or maybe your ipad Uh, we're splitting the difference here with google patrick where they're saying we want to be on a large number of phones granted They're all android phones, but a lot of people make android phones And we think that's the place where augmented reality works best What does this landscape look like to you now that we've we've got some of the major players facebook's still kind of out there on the fringes They're not on the fridge with oculus rift, but they have some other products that they have yet to announce But we're starting to see how the table is set here Yeah, and the interesting thing is that that table looks very different from what it did Uh, I would say even two years ago. No, it's just got a cartoon lion sitting on it Exactly and the cartoon lion is i'm not going to go with that metaphor, uh for too long but basically I think There were a couple of things that happened in a few years ago And that kind of did a lot of damage to the idea of ar One of them was google glass And that came out too early. It was a Product that wasn't finished that didn't really work properly Or the way it was intended to and that didn't find an application I know there are people who loved google glass or the idea of google glass I'm going to be a little bit, you know Definitive here and say just didn't work out It worked great the enterprise and it's still working in the enterprise, but that's that's that's where it ended up It's a business device. Nothing else. All right. I won't I'm not going to launch into an argument about this, but um The thing is I really think that the technology has caught up to what the idea of ar Could can become and uh, we've seen also another uh attempt with project tango The issue was with product tango. It required a number of Sensors that were not standard in all of the phones that we have Then the holo lens arrived and the holo lens is also a very interesting product, but it's very particular. It requires a Heavy headset. It's expensive. It has specific set of technical requirements And it seems that in the past few months even maybe a little bit more The the technology has enabled a regular phone without any special sensors to create very potent ar applications Um, and that's what we've seen with I mean the the whole lens we've discussed a while ago has some really impressive Applications, but it is as I said a specialized a piece of hardware. We've seen a lot of ar kit the apple solution demos that are Honestly, that surprised me because I didn't think a phone without specialized sensors could be that uh stable with ar And now we're seeing the ar core from google, which I suspect they've been developing for a long time Abandoning semi-abandoning tango. So what it brings us to is that we've seen ar kind of see a full start and then vr carry the hopes of a lot of the this you know mixed reality virtual reality communities hopes and vr is certainly not going away But it's taking a little bit more time to get established than some people had hoped And now ar is making a comeback uh with I uh uh technology that everyone has so the bottom line is ar is looking like a more and more viable option for creating um Scenarios where you interact with objects in your surroundings then maybe even vr in the short term at least I wouldn't call it a comeback because it hasn't been here for years It's it's it's sort of like this is the first arrival for a lot of people of ar is going to be this fall When ar kit shows up on their iPhones and ar core shows up on their android phones And and but but I don't think that undermines anything that you're saying here. It's like yeah ar has finally arrived I mean it's a comeback from hollow lens and all of that. I know what you're saying That's what I but this is this is going to be the first chance that people get in a lot of ways To compare it to vr because let's say you own a samsung galaxy s8 You can do a gear vr with your samsung galaxy a s8 and then you can do the ar core and you can decide which works for you Now peter bright overdars technica has a really interesting article Pointing out that microsoft may be doing to itself what it has done before which is be first into a market And not get that the market changes faster than it can and he uses windows mobile as an example of that Where when microsoft had windows phones way back in the 90s, right? They they remember the compact phones with windows on them in the early 2000s They were very early on but they didn't catch on to touch screens and they got two touch screens too late And now they have virtually no windows phone market, uh at all. It's the same way for the tablets, you know, they had And tablets is yeah, no, it's another great example My question though is okay, so I look at all the headsets yesterday from windows mixed reality And I think ah, but the advantage they have is that they're a headset, right? Yeah, you have to plug it into your pc But they're better than the oculus rift because you don't have to have any external sensors But you actually can wear it and be hands-free And then I look at ar core and i'm like oh, but the advantage here is you don't have to have a computer You don't have to have it tethered to anything you can just hold it in your hands, but you hold it in your hands When do we get the system? That is what I want, which is something i'm wearing so that I can be hands-free and just see the augmented reality objects around me But doesn't require me to be tethered to something And I think that's going to be the key and also doesn't make me look stupid Well, that is also going to be yeah, you know, that's really important actually we might joke about it, but I think this is Absolutely essential to whether or not ar technology takes off The demos we're seeing are Incredibly impressive. I mean honestly until I mean, I'm taking ar kit as an example because it came a few months early But it's kind of the same thing with ar core, but the demos we're seeing with ar kit we we I would not have believed that this was possible with a a normal phone Until the day before ar kit was announced and even at the demo at the apple event. I was skeptical But what we've seen since then is very very impressive The thing is That remains theoretical technology. I don't think it's going to have a very practical application on the phone There are going to be gadgets. Maybe a couple of apps that are fun, but I don't think it's going to be incredibly practical With just the phone It's only half of the equation. The software part is now it seems very capable, but the hardware part is It cannot work without the hardware part. It's kind of you know, uh, uh, I don't want to take any Example here, but if you don't manage to get a headset That doesn't look dumb and that you can actually use autonomously I don't think this technology is actually useful. It's like a fun experiment that that doesn't have any There are things you can use it for When it's when you're holding it in your hand, right? But those are greatly reduced over what you can do when it's just in your glasses, right? Yeah, or even in your contacts or something like that Uh, and unless let's not even worry about going straight to contacts Let's say, okay, I don't mind looking a little silly if I could do some really cool stuff I mean hollow lenses is getting close to that they say And I'll be a very interested that and facebook says they're gonna have an announcement of a an untethered Non-phone based headset, but I have a feeling that's going to be more virtual reality than augmented reality Yeah, which is also very interesting. But then it that's what those uh demos that we're seeing with arkit and arcore Really tell the public. It's that those things are at least impressive As their own they're not vr Light, you know, it's really ar allows you to do things that when you interact between Computer-generated graphics and your actual surroundings. There are some interesting things that can happen That are very different from what happens. I just had I just had an idea Okay in the future where we don't look silly. We like we're in the thing We could see augmented reality my wife and I are sitting on the tea couch We're watching the fifth game of thrones spin-off because this is far in the future And I want to get up and I want to get a piece of fruit. This is a don't judge me It's a real thing that happens. I'm always like, ah, man I really want an apple right now. And so it's either bother her and pause Or just find a scene where I think it's gonna be like, okay I know it's gonna happen. I'll run over there and get it not with ar with ar I just get up and I tell the screen to follow me and it just hangs in front of me while I go into the kitchen and grab an apple Yeah, but then or an orange if you're not an apple person What do you need to come back and watch it on the tv? Yeah, no, okay I mean, yes, that would be one of the applications. I'm sure But I lost my train of thought um it does The the yes the other thing that is really interesting that is happening now is that The the hardware requirements are much lower than they are for VR Apparently, I mean one arguably not you can do daydream and gear vr on a samsung galaxy s8, but ah But the thing is for vr. You do need to render the entire surroundings You do need 90 frames per seconds. Otherwise, you're probably going to your windows mixed reality and you're like 60 is fine 60 only makes you too much I mean, usually the accepted Standard is 90 frames per second I very much doubt that 90 frames per second is absolutely necessary in ar and even if it is you're just rendering Part of your field of view. You're rendering the objects that you want to place in the real environment So I suspect that the um the computing requirements are are much lower And now that you don't need Tangle like Sensors you just you can just do it with one probably better with two standard camera sensors It seems like even on the hardware side It's a lot more feasible and maybe a lot easier to put all this together On something that looks a little bit more like glasses and that has decent autonomy for for use so Very true Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and join our facebook group at facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show real quickly before we're out of here Yesterday jeff asked about resources to help his five-year-old learn to code games Roger mentioned yo-yo games and we got a bunch more good suggestions from y'all. Thank you for sending them I forwarded everybody's emails along to jeff. I'll read out just a few of the resources that people mention alice.org code academy calm A bunch of people mentioned scratch from mit that's at scratch dot mit dot edu This is apparently a super easy for first-time programmers as it turns programming into legos This is only good for learning the basics of logic though and then android apps at app inventor dot mit Dot edu allen pointed out. There's a series of graphic novels called secret coders By gene lu and yang they have puzzles that teach programming concepts at secret dash coders dot com And at least one game design specific youtube channel was recommended by shan called extra credit With a z at youtube.com slash user slash extra credit to z Advice from sean too is that you should always start small and work your way up games are very complex And you can quickly get burned out if you're trying to build a huge system by yourself Also be ready to scrap ideas that aren't working you almost always throw out your redesign your first draft of a program your game Uh, you almost always throw out or redesign your first draft of a programmer game But that's a good thing because it helps you learn So thank you everybody for pitching in with all of those resources We'll have them linked in the show notes as well And patrick beige to thank you as always. Uh, what you got going on to tell folks about Uh, I guess I would uh talk about the philis club, which is a show I do every month or so We get people from different countries and we talk about the news that's been happening in the different countries and Talk about how everyone has been Hearing about and the media has been reporting about and how they understand those different pieces of news So in the latest episode we recorded only a few days ago. We talked about French tax on wealth Which was an interesting one a constitutional crisis in australia for reasons that might surprise you The piled pilgrimage to mecca, which is starting soon with the Infrastructure that goes with it and the commercial opportunities that might go with it as well And of course, we talked about the events in charlottesville Along with a conservative friends of a friend of mine who Told us what he thought about it and you might think well this show seems interesting But the real Thing that will convince you is that my father-in-law says so far your best Congratulations. Wow. So that's your splash quote on the album art now. Basically, that's what I'm gonna do. Yeah Go check it out folks. It's really good Really good honest conversation between tony and patrick about charlottesville This week that I think will help all of us understand Things a little better french spin dot com and thanks to everybody who gives a little value back to this show for the value They get from the show where we were at seven We're five more patrons than we had last month right now But our goal is always to get at least one more So thank you to everybody who sticks with us and says, hey, you know what I like this show I want to get some things back We do offer some perks if you support the show at even the dollar a month level You get access to an rss feed that has an exclusive audio pre-show Today patrick and I discussed which modern filmmaker or television person is the modern shakespear Roger and patrick and I all have different ideas. That's in there right now in your rss feed if you just listened to the regular Version today at patreon.com Dtns our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 utc at alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv And our website is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with scott johnson dr Then who is part of the frog pants network? Get more at frog pants dot com Good show It was fun That was fun. What should we call it if we were to call this show something i'd call it good, but is that good enough? Maybe we should call it great The best show The best show ever uh google flexes.  So you haven't pre read these is what you're saying No, because i'm i'm following the show i'm sorry amazon echoes echoes and echo Uber drives for more privacy i like that one Um uber pitts promises uber privacy Hashtag portal to hell i think we've done those before though. Yeah, yeah, i've done a lot of those I like the one that is that is number four right now it it shut up But uh, oh that's flexible to air core. No, no the one that's fourth in the Not patrick is great. Yeah, i think that one really captured the essence of the episode uh, zoe brings bacon has a very strong understanding of what's important in this show And uh, oh a art accommodating reality by kv I i like one that's uh, it's only got one vote now, uh, but it's down there below tom likes fruit Are we there yet? Oh three look at that it's amazing Uh, actually i'm sorry, but i'm i'm gonna have i might be or Be soon great And you might think that i'm gonna leave to go play destiny two The beta on and but actually i do have some laundry to uh, take care of and See if you had augmented reality glasses You wouldn't have to choose you could just play it while you were doing No, but see that that's i think that's a fallacy you can only really concentrate on one thing at a time It's a fun fallacy though I can't wait what you need to do is afford someone to play the game for you while you do chores Well, that's called youtube.  I'll make this real quick Uh, so so just to clarify what patrick was saying in the show because he's absolutely right UHD is 38 40 by 21 60, which is what i was saying about rounding up And that's generally what people call 4k, but there's also uw 4k, which is an ultra wide standard That's 38 40 by 1600 and then you were mentioning dci 4k not by name But that's the video production industry standard. That's actually 4k. It's 4096 by 21 60 Exactly and that's that's probably the truer definition because it is exactly four times I have always thought of 38 40 when I said 4k because that's always been the consumer level and everyone does except There were a few sony and I think panasonic tv's that were actual 4k like like actually supported 496 yeah, um at some point and now they've disappeared. Um, but anyway, that's all right very much in in uh, Well, actually I just wanted to give you your credit where credit was due you were absolutely right Thank you. Go to dci. All right go go and clean your clothes Clean your clothes play your games Yeah, right. All right, so what do we pick? Uh, google flexes its ar core Uh, hold on a second. Yeah, I kind of like that one. That's the top vogue getter still. Yep Tom merit patrick beija and roger jang All right google flexes its core. It's ar core. Yeah, I don't think I'm gonna upgrade my tv for a while I mean, I know why they're pushing it because they want people to upgrade their t of it I upgraded my tv because it died That is the only reason I upgraded. Well, that's the only reason I moved up and I I kid you not It blew a resistor And the last time I had a tv blower resistor. I fixed it myself and it was not It didn't ever the same. It wasn't well. It just wasn't worth it Uh, and I ended up replacing it not that long afterwards. So I'm like, you know what? I'm going to take this opportunity To upgrade. I know it's not the fan doesn't make the most financial sense But now I'll have you know a 4k tv and uhd tv Um And uh, and I'm glad I did it. I don't regret it And I feel like I'll have this tv till it dies as well.  Yeah, this is no westinghouse or a sharp 32 inch tv I have a 32 inch one might be 35 But anyway, it's 30 plus inch samsung in my bedroom that thing's 12 years old now It's been around forever. I was watching it and I was watching one of the fast and furious movies and then Uh, I'm not sure of a resistor But something on it blue and it made this weird effect where like you made this blue effect wavy kind of like dream effect All converging toward the middle. So it's like, whoa, that's a really cool transition And then it didn't stop Okay, that was a cool transition but you can lose it now Where's the rest of my picture? I was really sad It's like, ah, I gotta get a new tv But tv's aren't those aren't one of those things I upgrade a lot Part of it is because they're very bulky Even if you get a super thin tv, I mean, it's not just the expense. That's part of it But it's also the having to get rid of the old one Well, if you think if you think of a comparably expensive item like a phone People generally won't hesitate as much because You know, it's something that's very innocuous and small you could throw in a drawer I mean, that's not what you should do with it, but you can you can't throw an old television in a drawer No, it's furniture. There's one of those pieces of electronic that's furniture like speakers Oh, we have a emw tight. Yes, we do What will we talk about? Oh, so many things Who knows what we'll talk about. Did you know that there's an east meets west canada podcast? Wait, what somebody in the analyst slack found it when they were looking for east meets west on google play And it's the same concept two guys just talking about whatever they want jerks Wait, wait, when was the first step? Oh, wait a minute. The first episode was and they used that They're weird dating system of putting the day month and then year You mean the one the standard one that the rest of the world uses. Yeah, they did Is it the rest of the world use the year month day? Well, you may be right about that But whatever, uh, they started in 2014. All right, the last month of 2014 So we definitely predate them by nine years. I say we just invite them on It's places in travel Rob's away in new york after a sizable break. Why don't we go to canada and fight them physically? I don't fight them. Why do you want to fight them sit down to a big stack of pancakes at the end? I'll I'll go I'll rather jump right to the pancakes that that part sounds good because fellowship can't exist without some sort of Stress some sort of adversity to overcome. Is that true? I don't know. It's and that's what I learned from the hot or not from the hobbit and the lord of the rings Like they were friends before but they were really good friends after Well, they but they were went through the war together. They didn't fight each other They had to we so what you're saying. I think what I think you're saying is that we need to determine a common enemy like Like like north meets south North meets south You know, that was the follow-up to the uh epic civil war Blue blue and gray. Yeah, probably I'd rather not talk about the civil war right now All right As soon as I said north meets south, I realized what I had done Dino beer. There's someone named dino beer. Ah, sorry. I missed them Dino beer left the chat room. Yeah I think I clued in on the dino because I get those dino chicken nuggets frilly She likes eating nuggets. She's finally at the nugget chicken face nugget man. Oh nugget man Let me take your mechanically separated protein and squish it together It's such a ah the euphemisms that show up like in all sorts of industries. It makes me chuckle Mechanically separate. I mean technically. Yeah, it's mechanically separate. I mean, that's just literally what it is It doesn't sound better to say mechanically separated I don't think that's a euphemism. Is it that's just what's happening It doesn't sound particularly appetizing To me it sounds very neutral. Well, this is unappetizing or appetizing. Well, it is. It is neutral Isn't it?  It's the meat that hangs on the bone Afterwards Yeah, a special process for that that they don't do anymore. It's mechanically separated So he brings bacon it points out mechanically separated does not sound appetizing Well, most big hands separated nuggets Hands separated you wanted you want small batch small batch hands separated artists and nuggets There's a market for that If someone's gonna knit beanies out of yak hair Is that the thing? I think it is. Is that what you mean? I'm dreaming yak hair beanies Oh, yak hair beanies. Oh, yak hair yak down is raised is a very warm fiber What if they just say it's hair it's hair from a big woolly animal, uh the yak down That was the uh, that was the system of it down in high school It's like the beat down the breakdown the act down Well, thanks everybody for watching. We will be back tomorrow with scott johnson until then adieu and May the road rise to meet you