meeting minutes Bridget. Absolutely and we are live. Hey everyone today is Wednesday July 22nd 2020 welcome to the service mesh interface community call we're going to kick it off today with I'm gonna say introductions because I do see a few new faces and then we'll go ahead and go into stand up for discussion items we have a few and we have like the reminder to submit your blood posts support for personas topic and then support for routes in the metric spec topic so without further ado does anyone new want to introduce themselves yeah I'm Jason Webb I'm from Intuit and I'm a more of an end user of service mesh not really a developer we do support the Admiral project out of Intuit which is a multi-cluster orchestration for service mesh but primarily I kind of look at service mesh more from an end consumer perspective awesome welcome thank you for joining us Mike do you want to introduce yourself hi I'm Mike I'm an engineering manager on the console team at HashiCore so we're just interested in learning a little bit more about what's going on here awesome thanks for joining us anybody else want to introduce themselves I'll just say real fast I'm redbeard from Red Hat it's been a while but I'm just kind of dropping in to check in on things and see where the community's been at for a bit so that I can go back and thump some folks on the head on the Red Hat side that's awesome I'm so nice to see you again redbeard yeah it's a pleasure all right okay so let's go ahead and oh anybody else if you do want to introduce yourself at the end feel free to drop that into chat and I'll make sure to check it out and save some room at the end okay so jumping right into our discussion items Bridget I'll let you keep off about the blog post oh yes I know solo and I think a couple of other organizations were thinking about writing blog posts and my urge to you is hey Kupkan EU is coming up a lot of people are going to be looking at stuff in the Kubernetes space now could be the moment to write a blog post about what you're doing to use service mesh or what you're implementing in the service mesh ecosystem and then submit that as a PR to the SMI spec website repo and the link is in the notes super cool we'll do thanks Bridget I think another really good topic too would be like HB header matching support like that recent edition I feel like we're not really talking about it and stuff so we should definitely make that known that that's a thing and that people should check it out and implement it I don't know why I muted myself okay so the next topic is support for personas and Jason I know you wrote an intro here but hopefully you can or Jason and Michael it says Michael on the side there can y'all kind of give us an idea of like what you want to see here re-summarize the summary yeah sure yeah so I guess the kind of the where this has kind of come up I guess is as we sort of look at at least more in-depth with the SEO API we haven't really adopted SMI I'm directly most of what we use as a sweet guy but as we look at that and how we can bring it into like the enterprise there's a couple of challenges with it so the first challenge is the kind of there's there's different you know even though they're like maybe a service publisher but I'm kind of acting in different roles depending on what I'm trying to do so when I'm trying to you know offer author like routing configuration for example I'm sort of controlling how traffic gets to my service or I'm controlling access for example or the split stuff like that so it's more from like the service owners perspective and also maybe there's some like defaults of how my service should be consumed like this is the timeouts that I would expect on a service maybe some default retries and stuff like that but there's also this the client persona aspect of it where I'm consuming a service and I want to be able to override some of those things so I want to be able to set like the timeouts or my circuit breakers or retries because upstream I only want to retry once with a one-second timeout because the UI is gonna you know it is gonna time out beforehand and stuff like that so you kind of need that ability to override sort of that consumption profile I guess you say in a way that is also isolated as well so that's one of the like without having that configuration broken out as a separate entity it makes it really hard to put kind of authorization rules around it so we can run it in a multi-tenant environment so with a lot of the server side configuration what we end up doing at least is sort of putting a structure around the DNS names in the SEO configuration and then tying that back to basically a namespace and then within that namespace you can only configure certain kinds of DNS names and that sort of gives us it like an authorization containment based on the namespace which is based on the team and so that way people don't kind of impact each other but without having a way to kind of set things from a client perspective it makes it pretty challenging so the reason why I kind of brought this to this group is we were going to look to actually solve this problem kind of in our admiral project and just use a SEO configuration introduce a couple CRDs to do this and then just put orchestration to manipulate their configuration that's kind of the path we were going down but I figured it would be maybe useful this is kind of a you know a new project kicking off to kind of maybe bring some of this stuff to you guys and see what you guys thought about it it was something you know SMI was is interested in it's so none of the meshes I think kind of have this concept so it's not necessarily pulling best practices back in this would be a little bit more from the edge perspective of what's going on in the mesh and folding into the spec which I don't know if that's appropriate for SMI or not but anyways I thought I would just bring it up with you guys and kind of something that's like an end consumer of mesh and how we're trying to get the API is you know usable for an enterprise in a multi-tenant scenario with lots of clusters and stuff like that it's just something I'm seeing so I thought I would bring it up to you guys yeah does anybody have any comments or I'm not before I jump in yeah I can comment on it in terms of traffic access I don't see how you can default to a separate configuration on the client side it's definitely an interesting idea can you give me an example like let's say you want you have a namespace and that namespace is a web API and for some tenant you want to restrict some routes and for a different tenant you want to allow those routes is that use case yeah for like for traffic access like so at least from again this is this is just the view of things that I've done you know within the stuff that we support right but what we'll do is we'll author you know there'll be a different set of kind of rules right to kind of almost like scope definitions and a lot they guess is the way you can kind of think about it right where it's like this is sort of this this sort of set of rules gives me access to this chunk of the API and this chunk of the API and by default a consumer would get chunk would we get a chunk of maybe the most generic part of the API but more sensitive API's might be left to only selective clients right so as a service owner I might say you know this is a client that you know I know about and I'm going to give them access to this particular chunk of the administration part of the API or something like that so that's sort of where I've seen it from an access perspective be useful so we don't actually do that I mean I get so we don't actually do that with our service mesh implementation yet we do that with our our other infrastructure that we run on board moving that to service mesh so we would that's something that we would look to do in our service mesh implementation yeah I guess it goes back to the identity problem how you manage identity for all these clients in in SMI we define identity in a very Kubernetes way it's a service account so we define how things get access based on the service account that initiates the call and the service account that let's say is running the workload that you want to secure so it's more about service accounts I for example is he also supports off authentication based on tokens and that could let's say be different totally different to service accounts a service account is more about the machine identified than a actual user identified yeah I think so service or the system identifier is fine but so where we run into problems using service accounts is especially as we run as we look at running a certain like a typical service itself will end up being at least a lot of our services use DR so we end up running the same service across multiple clusters and those clusters are isolated from each other we don't use like Federation or anything like that so so we actually don't use a service account really as our services identity we actually use it a different mechanism doing that but I guess I guess so the I guess to make SMI useful I guess it might need to have a be able to have identities that are represented than maybe that are larger than one cluster or make that part pluggable to a certain extent so there's a there's a type of identity that can be used or something that's extensible in there because identity is a tricky is a tricky thing well that's debatable because if you look at what cloud vendors are doing there is a iron roll to service account there is a GKE IM to GCP IM to service account and so on so in a way even if you have different ways of identities you can link them back in Kubernetes to a service account and SMI works service accounts so if you can link a service account to an external identity then SMI doesn't have to deal with it that's how we got away with it yeah as you kind of come in from other clusters though it's a little bit tricky right so I'm calling in from one cluster to another cluster now I have to have like a transitive like service account knowledge in between the clusters and stuff but so like then a multi-cluster kind of it gets a little bit tricky but I guess I'm not really like I guess I'm not really debating like the service account aspect I'm just saying more from like the the idea of a set of API's that are focused on the consumption of services and the attributes that are tailored towards service consumption I think that what that would be valuable as a way to build sort of an administration boundary around that so it can be used in a multi-tenant fashion because that's more of the the thing that I think would be useful so that's that's my that's just mine thank you yeah um are you familiar with traffic specs and traffic target have you gotten a chance to kind of go through some of that I didn't look yeah yeah I think one way to kind of like make the logic around what is accessible on your service what routes and on configuration is accessible on your services to kind of like reuse the traffic spec object traffic specs object across different traffic targets which would be used for different services to configure different how different services can access a particular service so maybe that's something to kind of look into but I'd love to like dig in further a little bit because I think what you're talking about from the user experience side is is very interesting and there might be like a higher level concept that we could we could think through we haven't really tackled retries and circuit breaking although that's something that comes up repeatedly so I think I'll be a good way to go about this is to open up a github issue around this topic and like dig in a little bit further and see where the gaps are in terms of like what we have today and what what we would need to kind of fulfill the user experience that you're talking about sure more like a github discussion oh yeah I'm still not used to using github discussions do you like those stuff on yeah we are using it for two weeks in fluxy D and it's awesome because you if I don't know during an issue other issues are rising so that comment was specific to someone else's comment right and in in discussions you can do this branching of replying to a certain comment which is great for API designs and all things like we use it mainly for API design proposal okay yeah so then this makes sense to do as a discussion because like so usually Jason we just like I have people open up an issue and a pull request with the changes that they specific changes that they propose but since this might need a little bit more async back and forth the discussion makes more sense here for sure and do you guys do anything with like like RFCs or anything as far as like a like a write-up of what you would expect out of it or is it just kind of a discussion we really should know we don't have an RFC process at the moment I could I could build one for us I could just like write a process a quick process up for us if that makes sense Stefan what do you think yeah we we currently have a template issue for proposal where you say hey I my proposal affects one of the current APIs or I want to add the new API then we have a section okay can you detail some use cases for it why it's good why it's not now if she's more complicated in terms of things you have to fill in I felt like the current issue template is enough for what we are seeing but yeah if we we could evolve to an RFC proposal type but yeah I feel like we should start to the GitHub discussion for big topics that we we didn't touch yet in SMI and this and from there create issues after we we brainstorm and so on I think that's in the interest of lowering the barrier of getting started on this Jason how about you just open an issue in the SMI spec repo and then if we want to build a discussion out of it we certainly can but I don't want extra tasks for you can move an issue to a discussion and vice versa it's very easy for us to move them okay so I'm just gonna move forward here the only other thing that we have on the agenda is I linked issue 129 I think his name is Adam oh Alex long had proposed that we extend the SMI metrics specs to support metrics per route and I think that this is a great idea and it's any issues with the proposal I approved it I know Stefan approved it but it just needs to be rebased I ping them on slack if anybody has any feedback or issues or anything like that please please feel free to comment on that thread any anything right now on the metrics per route but um Brian does your team handle like this is Keali on your team oh right there just walked away that's cool um but yeah okay so yes well sorry I I share an office with my wife so when I'm talking I need to do that but yes indirectly the Keali team is involved with me that's part of the reason kind of why I was here both dropping in to see if any of them showed up as well as do a little bit of an audit you know we have a number of concerns and interest where we would really like to be more closely conforming with the SMI spec and some other ideas around potentially integrating the open shift router which is a specialized ingress that red hat for a while with SMI so yes that being said you can expect that folks from Keali will be showing up to the SMI call soon okay from that team directly yeah I know our community is super interested in getting SMI support in in Keali for sure everybody's like obsessed so that would be great anything to make that happen would be great I'm happy to help John he is on this call he's on on my team and is working on metrics related stuff so he's gonna be touching SMI metrics pretty soon and yeah there's a there's a lot of interest around there so if it makes more sense to like have a longer call I'm happy to help set something up and and dig a little deeper into whatever y'all need and help okay great I will talk to Maltron Leo who is the product manager for Keali inside a red hat and then get a couple engineers and him coordinated in touch with you okay great thank you of course cool what else is on this agenda anybody have any topics they'd like to bring up yes the fun what's up so now that we've released the SDK thank you for that I want to move forward with the TCP route specification we I've opened an issue like long time ago and everything was blocked because yeah we need to add the spec to all the things so I'm I'm going to move forward then and create a pre-request on the SMI spec to define TCP routes and unblock the utp route thank you I'm going to ping people on slack for reviews okay I'm excited about it though whenever you're ready yeah but by tomorrow it'll be there I have a pretty good idea what what should look like but I it was blocked so now it's it's time to move forward all right what else what one more thing I wanted to bring up like when we last discussed about breaking changes in in the API we said okay maybe it's Kubernetes is not ready for an admission controller but I'm guessing most cloud vendors now are on 116 my proposal is to drop support for anything below 116 and work on proper admission control that can deal with changes now that we also have the spec inside our API it should be straightforward how to create with QBuilder such an admission controller for at least concerns about Kubernetes lower than 116 Asia 117 I think who's on it 117 okay yeah I don't even I don't even know that we support one I know we dropped support for 114 recently um okay no I don't have any any concerns at the moment you want to just open up an issue in case something comes up is there an issue already on the SDK yeah was it and say hey now we can do it and then the other thing I was gonna focus on it I'll like maybe Thursday or Friday of this week is like Kubernetes and grass and kind of like adding some documentation around how SMI thinks about North sorry it's north-south traffic I know you opened a proposal or open an issue around that Stefan so I just meant to get to it before this meeting but I didn't so I'll do that tomorrow yeah I think we should look into ingress v2 and yeah build something around it should work perfectly fine with SMI okay anything else okay we're still having some issues around like how to think about if you install a traffic split but there is a traffic target that doesn't allow the traffic split to actually happen like what the error code should be that bubble up and how to modify the status object thanks thanks for the status so so we're just still thinking through that but I will just update the issue I think Stefan you're applied to it right yeah yeah I think being layer 7 we should return the correct access denied status code okay if that's the case I think that's the best way to communicate to the consumer that access is denied not just you know TCP timeout or something like that because we we act on layer 7 we can return a meaningful status code instead of Kubernetes CNI that cannot do that and it blocks the stream itself like a network policy right okay that's literally all that I've been thinking about any anything else anyone want to add any my obsessions at Kubecon right beard you not this time no all right cool all right I'll just give everyone three minutes back thank you everyone who is new and introduce themselves and everybody else for being here have a great day


What's up everybody, Jason here for JaspysCaseBricks.com. 21-22, Tops UEFA Champions League Merlin Chrome Soccer just sold out. This is a 12 box case break pick of teams number 12 and again all cards shipped, full hobby case. Here we go. So these are the customer names and the teams. People's actually bought out the last like five teams and there you go as you can see there. So thank you to everybody of course that's still bought in as well. This is the list of 17 teams in the combo list. Just wanted to show that really quick. That's all gonna go to people's, any of those hits there. Another case of Merlin off the board. Just take this out of our warehouse inventory. And honestly guys, this Merlin is beautiful, I must say. I love the thicker card stock, kind of more like a 55 point rather than a 35 point.  The colors look amazing, the cards just look, the texture of the cards is just great. Looks really, really nice this year. And as you can see, customers also like it a lot. Continue on guys. Again, I know it's a baseball release date today, but ain't none wrong with throwing in a little soccer case break as well, especially since this was only a new release two days ago. So it doesn't shock me. But I think baseball, I think after that hip parade guys honest, I mean, I don't know, we might do another one of these Merlins tonight. I don't know, but I think after that base, after that Jaspie hip parade, I think it's going to be a lot of baseball the rest of the night, you know, that Immaculate, it looks like it's already down to like five. We just sent out a little code for top Chrome. Maybe we could do some more pick your teams. And again guys, I am planning. I'm planning to stay late. Hell, I might even sleep over if you guys keep me busy. I'll tell the wife to just go home and pick me up in tomorrow morning. You know, I don't mind sleeping here at Jaspies. So buy those spots and Immaculate, buy those spots and tops Chrome and let's get all those breaks done. The witch filler hopes up hip parade. Yes, it did. So it's on the schedule. It's going to be after this Merlin break. So probably won't start that for about an hour. So if you don't want to stay and watch some Merlin come back around, I think 515, I think I had it on the schedule and then we'll get that filler going for hip parade. I think I'm going to rip a couple of boxes. Kind of make this break go by a little bit quicker. All right, wait.  A couple of boxes here, just to kind of get it started and then we'll continue on. Kyle, I might even rip six boxes. And then we'll do the first six. So anyway, this is a good time for you guys to get out.  You can get that food out of the oven. Microwave, air fryer, if you are home, of course. West Coaster, they're probably still working. Maybe, who knows, it's Friday, I guess. East Coaster, that was seven o'clock. Go place that Uber Eats odor, Door Dash it, Postmates it. I think I'll rip a couple of these boxes, like I said, and then we'll go through the pits. One second, guys, let me go get these. Salisbury didn't do too much for the last two cases. Did Joe actually hit any crazy relic, like match balls or anything like that, Anthony?  I mean, just we haven't had any of the big players, so we're kind of doing a little bit now. I just want to get that two out. I wish you were in this break. It's like pulling something nice, but maybe, are you in the hip parade, Housesep? All right, anything I pull out of there will be his, okay? I've seen a very interesting tweet today, Housesep. I shared it with a couple of Leaf hockey fan customers that we have on Instagram, especially case hit hunter. He's a big Leafs guy, but I don't know. I've always kind of felt this would happen, and now I know, I hope it really happens, but I remember, obviously, besides Austin Matthews being, of course, a big Coyotes fan growing up in Arizona, he always loved the Kings, you know? He said that he loved the way Copa Tar played, and that was like one of his favorite players growing up, and you know, it's always in Avenger, like, man, what if Matthews, like, just came to LA Kings, right? So then I seen a tweet for this guy who works for TSN in Ottawa, and he was saying that, you know, his tweet today kind of got some people like upset and thinking, but it was just like, it had said, what did it say? I have it right here, I think. It had said, do boss will walk Austin Matthews to unrestricted free agency in two years at the age of 27. At that point, he's off to LA for seven years, 15 mil, and then Toronto starts his next rebuild. I'm like, yeah, I can do that. I was like, I would love that. You know, a lot of people say he probably would go back home to Arizona, but I was talking to a couple of leaf customers, and I'm like, look, you can't tell me that you're not nervous that if you guys don't win at least the first round of the playoffs this year, things are gonna get shaken up, and who's to say Matthews even wants to be there once he's a free agent? He'll be an unrestricted free agent. He can go wherever he wants, you know what I mean? But that's my thing, right? Unless Arizona is a competitor, a playoff team in like two years, I get wanting to go home, that's cool. Maybe you could do that at the end of your career, but I don't think he chooses Arizona, right? He's gonna wanna go somewhere that's competitive, and I mean, honestly, you know, I expect the Kings to make the playoffs this year and at least win them playoffs even though they could have won last year. But yeah, that would be insane, man, I'd buy that jersey in a heartbeat. I'd probably be a season-taker holder again if that was the case. I've seen him play a couple of times, I've seen him play his rookie year with LA and a couple of years after that. It's a bit smaller, so yeah, it'd be interesting to see how that plays out. Raheem Sterling, Gavi, look at that. That's a nice one there. FC Barcelona, one of the peoples, 11 out of 250. Yeah, I mean, they just had some bad luck too, man. I mean, I don't know, they just can't close it. They've been the better team a couple of times in series. They just haven't had that much luck closing out series. 25-25, we have Anderson, Ronaldo, we have Christian, Maxima, and Antonio Blanco for Real Madrid when a Diego at a 2-25. Yeah, I think so too, Josep. And who knows, in a couple of years too. Well, Quick is on his last year this year. Although I love Quick, and I think he can still play at a high level, I just don't think the Kings will re-bring him back. Honestly, I thought this would have been the year maybe they got rid of him, and hopefully, Peterson made that jump, but he hasn't. He hasn't worked out as I thought he would, so, Quick, like I said, can still play, and if you can get him in the playoffs, he's a different goalie in the playoffs, but his contract's up this year, I don't think he comes back either, he might even retire. Colbatar, of course too. I don't think he will retire, but I don't know if the Kings will bring him back. I mean, I don't see why they wouldn't. I'd hope so. I wouldn't want him to play with Enrique, so hopefully he just calls it, but I think he can still play at a high level. It's just obviously you can tell he's getting a much older.  Eventually, you might have Colbatar's contract off the board, you know. So a lot of the older guys will definitely be gone, and by the time you know it, that 2012, 2014 class is pretty much done, besides Doughty, and even he's getting older. Graven Burch, that's what I'm saying. So like, have him play half this season with Peterson and then play off time. Yes, Colbatar won't be a free agent, and his eight, 10 year contract is done after next season. So he'll still be a king for the next two years, for sure. But yeah, Quick's has done this year, and I think Quick will retire, honestly. The only place I can see him going back is probably going back home. I know you grew up a Rangers fan, Zidane, but I don't think he plays anywhere else. I think he'll retire. He'll be in the Rafters, his jersey will be retired. Honestly, he has a stats team in being the Hall of Fame. I mean, crazy to think about, but for American-born goalies, he's up there, man. Graylish, and then same thing for Colbatar. He'll be in the Rafters too. Rafters, and then he'll be a Hall of Fame or two, I think, Danyel. Kind of bittersweet, man. I grew up, like I said, watching Kings Hog in the early 2000s. I mean, I've seen it in my whole life, but really paid attention to it more. In the early 2000s, where they were a little bad, but I grew up watching Frolloff. He was my favorite player. That 2006 team, when Roanick was there, Conway. So I endured a couple of years going back there, Virgil, but when they signed Colbatar, when they dropped to Colbatar, man, instantly I loved that dude. I went to his first game with the Ducks, against the Ducks, I should say. And yeah, man, he's had a great career with us. Nice, Matthew. Did you really? Sheesh. That's awesome, man. Gio Luigi. We have a customer that actually is Colbatar's neighbor. And he told me, any time you want any Colbatar autographs, just let me know. I'm just like, what now? He's like, yeah, man, we're cool. He always signs stuff for my work, for my team and stuff like that.  But the only player I think we've seen stroll in here one time, I forgot who it was. Sadio Mane. It was kind of an older Kings player from late 90s, like early 2000. I forget his name. But former players that we see strolling around here, for professionally, Luke Walton and his kids always come in. Matt Liners come in a couple of times. You know, who else has come in a couple of times? Antonio. Arthur, what's going on, man? Do you want an arena? Oh, you work for them? Oh, okay. So yeah, those are yours. I have not, Arthur. We're stuck on that team random filler, man. I've been wanting to, but we ripped them a Mac of the baseball already. That was nice. So that little discount code that we have for the picker team should help out. We have a Bino, Jeremy Bino. I've seen he actually had a very nice assist for Vio Real last night. Came out on Sports Center top 10. Vio Real with that one. Shola. Camvinga. Joshua Kimmich. We have a Alfredo. Morelos. Anthony. Harry Payne. Is it Dan? I wonder if Harry Kane is waiting in line. Did you guys, did you guys see that? Today, Virgil, nice to know the color there for Liverpool. I think you can view the Queen for like, what is it, 36 straight hours or something like that. I forgot my wife was telling me.  He didn't have to wait in line, but David Beckham had to wait to the side for like 13 hours, just to pay his respects, which is wild. They were interviewing people online saying, how long are you willing to wait? And they're like, as long as it takes, I'm prepared to wait for 12 hours at least. I'm like, man, that's crazy. Tell. Killing and bop it. Oh, I'd love to, that'd be awesome. Hannibal. Nice Sidney Raybiger. James Madison, that is Arthur, but you never know, Susick. Oh yeah, for sure, Eddie. I mean, she was Queen for what, 70 plus years? I mean, man. I honestly thought that she was gonna outlive her son. Like literally, Jules. Oh yeah. Such a favorite. He just doesn't like to watch it because he just loves it so much. Felix to 250. Weston McKinney. Vinny Jr. Mosellea. And Harry Kane for Toptenham. Speaking of Harry Kane earlier. Nicola Borrella. Margo DeGrasse, Borreca. A nice Badri. Look at that. That was awesome. FC Barcelona with that one. 23 out of 50 gold. Did you know that Badri scored a goal in his UEFA Champions League debut on October 20th, 2020? More than a month shy of his 18th birthday in the 82 minute at Barcelona's victory. Did you guys know that? I don't think you guys knew that. Ronaldo. Alfonso Davies. Harry Kane. And Aronson. And a surge. Savick. For SS. To 99. Malinkovic. Weston McKinney. Curtis Jones. Vinny Jr. 194 out of 199. Timothy Webb. All right, last box guys, and then we'll rip the next six and then we'll go through the hits. And like I said, the only thing I think that is sold out is that hip parade. Looks like we're selling a lot of spots in Topps Chrome though, which is great. And we're down to three left and the next Immaculate. Yeah, there we go, yeah. Let's keep it going, guys. Now I know Eddie, like I said, not that I don't like soccer much. It's just not my biggest sport to watch, but like I said, I love the hobby. I love this product though. I think it's great. Cars look sharp, the colors are great. Would be nice to integrate Merlin into other sports, especially when Fanatic's Topps has the licensing to all these other sports, you know? All right, here we go, next one. Salio Mane. And another year to meet Pino. That's our second autograph for him. 37-99 V-Rio, which I believe is part of the 17-teen combo list. We got Harvey there. Nice, Anthony Alanga, that is a gold rookie. Look at that, that is an awesome one there. I think he's a big player too. Manchester United, that's going to Peebles. That's 10 of 50. Did you know that Alanga played at full 90 minutes from Manchester United in his UEFA Leagues debut, December 8th, 2021? How about our Erlen Halan? Five of 15. Sure, Dormin going to Han. Great color in this case.  I pulled a red out of 10 from his Topps home rookie. Remember it sold for like over $200,000. All right, here we go. Harvey Valle, Mason Mounts, Harvey Barnes, Harvey Elliott, and we have Alexander Iska to 250. Harvey Allen, Cristiano Ronaldo, and Felix. Thomas Muller. Ah, I was supposed to rip six boxes, I totally forgot. Oh wow, we'll just do this one really quick. Hosan, for 10 of 275. Nice, Mohamed Salah. That's for Liverpool, 21 out of 99. Ryan Gravenberge, Giovanni Reina, Ducen, Revanentes. And our autograph here is for SSC Napoli. Khalido, Leslie. See a couple colors in here potentially. Filesh, Drogba, Danielle, well Coco, to 199. All right, let's rip the five boxes here guys and then we'll go through them. So I think I'm making good time. We're not about 34 minutes and 30 seconds. Should better have this done. Yeah, let's do it Anthony.  I wanna do a lot of stuff tonight, but if the people want more soccer, then that's what we're gonna do then. If you really want Topps chromes baseball, guys, hey, like I said, I know those fillers technically don't have a discount, but we kind of already given away free spots, which is already technically kind of discounted. We're just giving it back to you guys that buy in, you know? So we're giving away a full free spot in that Topps chromes. So we already factored out that. And then same thing for the pack filler. We're giving away seven spots. So we're only selling 23 spots. I feel like a lot of people that usually don't buy into soccer are just buying into it because the cards look nice, right? I mean, that's what I'm saying. You know, I'm a guy that just knows the main players, you know? Some of the players that already are a little bit more established than, you know, some of these rookies that got me introduced just because obviously this is like the, you know, fourth, fifth product that like I've seen where the rookies have been the same, but, you know? I did see Gavi on Twitter yesterday, kind of trending. Gavi was signing autographs and it looks like a fan. Got like an autograph for him, but also slipped her phone number on a little white piece of paper and gave it to him. I was like, man, where to shoot your shot? So I remember seeing him in that trending because of that. And it's kind of funny because I think Gavi kind of almost dropped it. Wasn't from her Instagram chase? I seen it on Twitter, so I had no idea of it. Well, I guess that's the new way to do it, right? You don't give your phone number out, you just give it the Instagram handle. That's all you need. Oh, that's right, shoot a shoot.  I mean, if she was, I don't know if she would follow, but that's one way to get someone's attention. How was the, how was the, that Chargers, she used second half. I actually didn't get to see the second half much. I actually had a planned day off yesterday. I went to go see the Big Steppers tour, Kendrick Lamar's here in LA. So I got tickets for day two on a Thursday. So I didn't get to see the second half, but I did see the highlights though.  Yeah, I think I left my apartment like in the beginning of the third, right when like the chief scored that touchdown in the beginning of the third, I want to say. And I didn't really get to see much. Ooh, here's a case hit. I was trying to watch a little bit at the concert and in between sets. I had missed the first artist. But I got there for Baby Keem. And then when his set was over, I quickly tried to watch a little bit of it, but I think it was over by then. So final score I believe was about 27-24 or something like that. But it looked like Asante Samuel Jr. dropped a couple of interceptions, right? Asante Samuel Jr. is pretty good. He's a ball hop just like his dad was. Just got to make those, got to catch those balls. I think Asante Samuel had tweeted that out saying that he was kind of the same way, you know, early in his career. So we'll save this for last. Put that right over here in the back. And then we'll go through the five boxes here. Good luck, everybody. Angel Gomez, Hannibal from Manchester U, Knighted, 225, Romelu, Erlen Hollande, and Harvey Barnes to 99. Mo Salah. Oh, well there was one of them. I think he dropped like two of them though, I think if I'm correct. But yeah, there was one of them that they ruled in an interception, but they went reviewed it and they said it was incomplete or non-interceptorized, it kind of moved around as it hit the ground. But I think a lot of people, yeah, it did say that it looked good to them. But Brian, it has not. If you click on the nightbot schedule link right there, I'm gonna actually pin it. That'll show you our schedule. It's scheduled after this. We gotta do the filler and then the break. So we do have a little Google doc that has the schedule for when breaks do sell out. So definitely can check on that just in case you need to step away. But yeah, should be coming up soon, man. Kiyogo, Puerto Rico, here's the auto. And it's Connor Bradley. It's your rookie autograph. 87 out of 99 for Liverpool. No problem, man. We have Alfredo Morales, Winston McKinney, Sandoval Demali, Kelly Nambapé, and Marcos Alonso for Chelsea, one and a half. Blue, Rayanne, Cherokee to 75, John Pacheco, Roberto Carlos, Anthony Alanga, Suso, and a gold Suso for Sevilla. 36 of 50. Serge, Cesco, Charlie Van Arnold, Mococo, Vinny Jr., Nicola Barela, Gaby Rookie, there's another Rayanne, Robert Lewandowski, Romulo, and Faryon Torres. Yeah, I feel like we've had a lot of great colors so far. Autograph-wise, I don't think we've gotten the craziest autos yet, right? So maybe we can get a big auto to match a lot of these good colors we've gotten. Not to say Harry Kane wasn't a good one, but yeah, I'm hoping for that. It could have ended dangerously. All right, three more boxes to go. Ronaldo, Hannibal, Jota, Alon Refractor, Camavenga, Jude Bellingham, Neymar, nice verge, I feel like we've had a lot of verge of color for Liverpool though. Might as well start with Rainbow. Mariel, Messi. Where's this autograph at? I feel like we haven't got the autograph yet, have we? And another Conor Bradley. It's like I pulled like four of his autographs already. Just in the picker teams I've done. Timothy Weah, I don't know, right? I don't even like Liverpool. Georgino, Nani, Eden Hoven, Otto. Whoa. Sorry about that. Ray Anne, look at that one. Sonny Perkins, some of these cars are stuck together.  I don't really have a Premier League team I can go for. If I had to choose, I'd probably go with Manchester United, because they have a couple players that I like on there. But, I was trying to start, I was going to start calling PSG, I've always liked Neymar ever since. He's kind of got big, especially like in the 2014 World Cup, I think it was. Or 14-16, whatever year that was. And I kind of like this documentary a lot, that they showed on Netflix. So, I kind of like to follow him. But I know PSG obviously is not a Premier League team, but then now obviously, with Mbappe, and then they even have Messi there now. They're pretty big, but I guess they just tend to choke in Champions League though. They can't get past the first round. Alright, last one here folks, and then we'll go with the ball match part. So I believe the ball match part should be the auto in this box, because I don't think we had anything else. Unless it's just a bonus to it, I don't think so. We have a Jadon Sancho, it's a 275, Phil Foulden. And there's our first Renaissance, Federico. So this we got one, and that is for Juvenitas. Shola. I like to just penny sleeve all the refractors, so some of these refractors will probably not be top loaded, but they'll at least be penny sleeved. Here we go. Good luck. Get a good match ball. I already got this guy before. Giorgino. Nice piece of the ball though, but I would love to have seen somebody different. Nice hit though for Chelsea though, huh, with that one. So still waiting for that huge match ball signature of a big, big time player. But nonetheless, still got a match ball at least. Again, this is Pikachu number five guys. Again, a lot of hits here. There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and there must be another autograph hiding in here somewhere. Well that's 11, so I think we'll probably have one in here somewhere else here that I might have not top loaded, put in the stack. But I appreciate it folks. Did get a lot of good color though. As you can see, golly right there. Did get one of those renaissance's most. Erlen Hallon was out of 15. Ilanga, Bedri, Golds. So some nice stuff to regard those guys. Remember number six in the store, jaspyscasebreak.com.


It is now time for our questions, the leader of Her Majesty's Royal Opposition. Thank you, Speaker, my question to the Premier. Premier, on Thursday's budget, you put your foot on the accelerator of government spending and deeper debt when you should hit the brakes and head into the other direction altogether. Let me put this into perspective. If that Liberal budget were to pass, that means a little girl born in the province of Ontario tomorrow will have $20,000 of provincial debt on her back. The moment she comes into this beautiful world, Speaker, $20,000 in provincial debt on her back because we couldn't make the decisions to live within our means today. By the way, Speaker, that's doubled Premier under the Liberal government. Premier, don't you think it is morally wrong to slap $20,000 on the backs of a newborn child in this province simply to keep the Liberal Party in power? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. That little girl born today, when she turns four, or maybe even three if she's born late in the year, she'll be able to go to Junior Kindergarten Close to the best medical care in the world, Mr. Speaker. She'll be able to grow up, Mr. Speaker, into an excellent post-secondary education system, Mr. Speaker, that I hope by the time she's there will have a better connection with the workforce, Mr. Speaker. So she'll be able to find a job in this beautiful province of Ontario, Mr. Speaker. I can change channels too, so let's just keep it down. Supplementary, please, Leader? I think the problem here is that the Liberal government is failing basic economic math here, Speaker. $11 billion is the debt interest payments each and every year. $11 billion that could go to build stronger universities and colleges. $11 billion that could go into building subways and highways and opening up new jobs in our province. Instead, you're spending $11 billion to send to largely overseas lenders. Premier, don't you think that that shows the government has become morally bankrupt when $11 billion that could go to health, could go to education, could go to transportation is actually overseas to our lenders instead of helping a child go into a province where she has good job opportunities and a healthy future. You can build a future prosperity premier on a foundation of debt. Doesn't the Liberal government understand that basic premise? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. We have a plan to eliminate the deficit by 2017-18, Mr. Speaker. I have put it in the ability of the businesses in this province, Mr. Speaker, to work with us to create jobs. What this budget is about is about creating the conditions to create jobs in the province, Mr. Speaker, to work on the issues that affect people's everyday lives and to invest in the future, Mr. Speaker, so that that child who is born today has all of the advantages that he or she deserves, Mr. Speaker. That's what this budget is about. And, Mr. Speaker, I also want to say to the party opposite that there are initiatives in this budget like the acceleration of the capital cost allowance that will create opportunities for business in this province. I would have effected that the party opposite would have been supporting that, Mr. Speaker. You know, Speaker, I think the premier understands that the capital cost allowance accelerations a federal initiative under Prime Minister Harper that you're simply emulating here. Speaker, back to the premier. You know, it's telling, Speaker, that in days of the most recent liberal budget that increased spending and brought our debt hole even deeper, we saw- Minister of Training, College, and Universities come to order. The Waterloo loss of furniture company, two hundred and some jobs now going to Michigan. Caterpillar has now closed down their second plan to the province of Ontario. I know, Premier, that you've dismissed- The member from Cambridge, your leader is asking a question. But certainly, in light of the latest two closures and the men and women who are now out of work in our province, doesn't this tell you that your budget and your plan is actually on the wrong track that we should go down a different direction altogether? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Well, I know it's always painful for families, for workers, when businesses leave, Mr. Speaker, when jobs are lost. But, Mr. Speaker, the reality is, we've regained more than 400,000 jobs since the economic downturn, Mr. Speaker. And it seems to me that it is even more imperative that we have a plan in place, Mr. Speaker. And the member opposite talks about the capital cost allowance. If this budget doesn't pass, Mr. Speaker, our part of that equation will not be in place. And it's very important for businesses. It's the number one ask, Mr. Speaker, of businesses in the province, particularly manufacturing. So I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, that if the leader of the opposition is interested in economic growth and stability and job creation, he would read our budget and he would support it, Mr. Speaker. Any other questions? Part of the opposition? Back to the Premier, Speaker. Premier, I think we'll respectfully disagree. When I talk to business owners, managers and workers, the number one advice I get from them is it's time to change the government in this province. Back to my illustration, Premier, on the fact that your liberal spending budget will put $20,000 on the back of a newborn child in the province. By the way, that has doubled under the liberal time in office or nearly doubled to be perfectly accurate about it. But Premier, I think you understand also that people don't lend us that money for free. They don't simply hand it over. We need to pay it back plus interest. And that means that our overseas lenders are using that money, the billions of dollars, to invest in their own subways, invest in their own highways, to invest in their own post-secondary education. So when that little girl grows up, she's going to have a tougher time getting a job because those jobs will go somewhere else. Don't you understand what's at risk, King? When you think about the impact, the most accurate approach without much debt today, and then taking away future job opportunities, don't you think it's time to take a very different approach in our province to focus on jobs and make government spend within this means? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. So, you know, I really believe that it's not an either or proposition. So, you know, for the fourth year in a row, Mr. Speaker, we've beaten our fiscal targets. We have, we're the only government in Canada to have done so, Mr. Speaker. And so we are on track to do that again for a fifth year, and we're on track to eliminate the deficit by 2017-18. That's very important to us. Member from Northumberland, come to order, please. But if the leader of the opposition had his way, he would park all of the service enhancement. He would park the investments in the future for that young child who is the baby who's either born today or the young child who is starting school today. And I don't believe we can do that. I believe that simultaneously, Mr. Speaker, we have to continue to be fiscally responsible. We have to stay on track to eliminate the deficit. And we have to make sure that our services are education, eye health care, our investments in the infrastructure that we continue those, because those are what guarantee that the future will be bright for that baby that's born today, Mr. Speaker. The Premier says it's not an either or proposition. I obviously disagree. It's either further decline or moving our province forward again. It's either staying deep in debt or actually building the future prosperity for the great province of Ontario. It's either embracing, as the Liberals seem to do, that we're a have-not province with hands out for payments or actually saying that our great province of Ontario can actually lead again, the best in jobs, the best for business, and in so doing the support we can have for important public services. So Premier, the choice is very clear.  I'm incredulous at the time there is so deep in debt, they're actually going to increase the size of the deficit. Put us deeper into debt. You are condemning that child born in the world tomorrow to a less prosperous province of Ontario than we want to see. We want to see Ontario recaptured again that leads this great country, Canada. Premier, why don't you? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have huge confidence in this province. And the reason I do, Mr. Speaker, is because of our well educated workforce, because of the excellent healthcare and education systems that we support, Mr. Speaker, and because of our commitment to investing in infrastructure, creating jobs, Mr. Speaker, what the leader of the opposition does not outline is what the impact of the cuts that he would make, Mr. Speaker, what the impact of those cuts would be. That would mean, Mr. Speaker, that we would be taking teachers out of the classroom, Mr. Speaker, we would be reducing the support to people who are in need of healthcare, Mr. Speaker. We would not be able to continue to invest in homecare, Mr. Speaker, and we would not be able to build the roads and bridges and make sure that the infrastructure in Northern and rural Ontario is repaired and built as it needs to be, Mr. Speaker. That is what is at risk if the leader of the opposition had his way, Mr. Speaker. We're not going down that road, Mr. Speaker. Can I have a supplementary? Clearly, Speaker, this budget was nothing more than a blatant attempt to buy the support of the NDP. You chose to spend about a billion dollars to close gas plants in Mississauga and Oakville to save political hides, liberal members in those areas, and now you're going to use another, ironically, billion dollars to try to buy support from the NDP. I ask you again to think of that newborn child in our province tomorrow, whether she's born at Sunnybrook or in Niagara. I don't think we owe it to that child, Speaker, to make sure that we don't become the grease of Canada. We don't want to become the California of this great country, Canada. We want to see in Ontario this strong, prosperous and proud premier. I think you know this, that any government that spends beyond its means year after year after year is made to decline. We want to surge ahead to a more prosperous, stronger province of Ontario to spend with our means and bring jobs back to our great province. Premier, won't you do the same? Mr. Speaker, in our budget, we're proposing a youth job strategy. What we believe is that it is really important that we put in place the supports for young people. We know that the youth unemployment rate, Mr. Speaker, is unacceptably high. 16.5% is unacceptable. We need to do something about that, Mr. Speaker. That's the plan that we've put in our budget. Mr. Speaker, there are seniors who are waiting for home care. We have put in our plan money to address that need, Mr. Speaker. Those are issues that affect people every single day, Mr. Speaker. They're not NDP issues. They're not conservative issues. They're not liberal issues. They are the issues that are confronting the people of this province. That's what this budget speaks to, Mr. Speaker. And I really believe that that baby born today needs to be part of a family and part of a society that has opportunity. That's what this budget is about, Mr. Speaker. Real question, the leader of the third party. Thank you, Speaker. My question is to the Premier. As the Premier knows, her government signed an agreement with Ottawa to create a new tax loophole starting in 2015, which will allow Ontario's largest corporations to write off their HST on entertainment and other expenses. Now, according to budget estimates at the time, this is going to cost Ontario about $1.3 billion a year. Last week, in advance of the budget, Ontario's Minister of Finance wrote to his federal counterpart in the hopes of delaying this plan until the budget is balanced. My question to the Premier. Is the Premier aware of any response yet? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm not aware of a response we don't hold. As the leader of the third party said, the Minister of Finance has written to her federal counterpart and we will continue to work with the federal government. Mr. Speaker, the reality is that they collect 75% of Ontario taxes and so we have to work with them. But Mr. Speaker, I think it's very important to reiterate what the Minister of Finance has said many times. This is not a loophole. It's not a tax break. It's not a tax giveaway. And it's not new, Mr. Speaker. This is something that has been on the books and has been known about. It wouldn't save $1.3 billion, Mr. Speaker, as the leader of the third party suggests. But, Mr. Speaker, I think what we're dealing with today is the reality that there is a budget that has been read in this House. There is a budget that now is on the table, Mr. Speaker. And I believe that it is time for all of the parties in this House to look at that budget and make a decision on whether they're going to support the budget or not, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Supplementary. Well done. Well, Mr. Speaker, on Thursday, while many of us were in budget lock-up, Jim Flaherty, the federal minister of finance, was asked about the letter in the House of Commons. He said, and I quote, there is a long-standing agreement between the government of Ontario and the government of Canada on this issue, and we are not going to abrogate that agreement. Does this come as a surprise to the Premier? Premier. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. As I said, we have been in contact with the federal government, and we will have that conversation. But, Mr. Speaker, I really believe that we should talk about what is in the budget, Mr. Speaker, so that we can get some kind of read on whether the third party is interested in having that discussion and coming to a decision about what they're going to do. This budget is about creating jobs, Mr. Speaker. It's about helping people in their everyday lives. It's about every person and every region of the province having the supports that they need while we stay on track to eliminate the deficit by 2017-18. This budget reflects the needs of the people in the province. We have connected with over 600,000 people at jobs roundtables, in face-to-face town halls and in tele-town halls, Mr. Speaker. I really hope that the leader of the third party is going to work with us and get this budget passed. Speaker, in the budget lock-up, officials from the Ministry of Finance indicated that the request would not come as any surprise to the federal government. They knew that they'd be asked, particularly about this corporate tax upholst, so I asked the Premier what the federal government said when they were told that this letter would be coming. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I don't know what they said, but they knew that the ask was coming because they know it's of concern to us and we will be working with them, Mr. Speaker. But the reality is that there is another conversation that we need to be having, and that is about what is at risk if this budget does not pass, Mr. Speaker. We need to understand that if this budget doesn't pass, then the enhancement to the Ontario Child Benefit will not go ahead, Mr. Speaker. That the investment in a job strategy for youth will not go forward, Mr. Speaker. That the investment in enhanced home care and making sure that home care gets to people when they need it, that will not go forward, Mr. Speaker. That the investment in infrastructure in Northern and rural Ontario, Mr. Speaker, the roads and bridges fund, that will not go forward. All of that is at stake. The people of Ontario, Mr. Speaker, I do not believe want an election at this point. I believe that they want to see these initiatives go forward. That can only happen if the support of this House and the budget pass, Mr. Speaker. Do you have a question? Mr. Speaker. To the Premier Speaker, you know, unfortunately, this is exactly the sort of move that's making people very cynical about government, particularly this government. The government says it would be unfair to open this new corporate tax loophole while we're trying to balance the books. That's what the letter said, but instead of working hard to get that job done, the minister wrote a hasty last-minute letter maybe before the budget was released. There was no mention of closing that $1.3 billion loophole anywhere in the budget speech or the budget document. Does the Premier understand that people want to see real results in this budget, not just empty promises that leave the same old status quo in place in this problem? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. So this is not a loophole. It's not a tax break. Mr. Speaker, and we're working with the federal government to address it. But Mr. Speaker, there is a large range of initiatives in this budget, Mr. Speaker, that speak to the needs of the people in the province, speak to the issues that I have heard that my colleagues across government have heard about the need for jobs, particularly youth, Mr. Speaker. The need for opportunities for youth to find internships, placements. The need for young people who want to start new jobs to have access to some capital, Mr. Speaker, and to have access to some advice around entrepreneurship and business plans. Those kinds of supports, Mr. Speaker, are part of our youth employment strategy. And I hope that the leader of the third party will be able to support that, Mr. Speaker. I believe that this is a time for decisiveness. There has been a lot of conversation, and we all know I believe in conversation. But now is the time for a youth supplementary. Mr. Speaker, I have been hearing from a lot of Ontarians since this budget was tabled last week. Many people saw that that budget reflected new Democrat proposals to take a balanced approach to balancing the budget and to make life more fair for people. But they also see a government that constantly makes promises that they don't intend on keeping. Does the Premier understand why this is all about politics? Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. So I've been part of a government that said we were going to bring in full day kindergarten. We're doing that, Mr. Speaker. I'm part of a government that said that we were going to invest in transit in the GTHA and beyond. We've done that, Mr. Speaker. The member from Hamilton East Stony Creek will withdraw. I'm sorry, now that I remembered what I'm supposed to do, would you please return and withdraw? Premier. I'm part of a government that said we were going to reduce wait times in this province. We went from last to first in terms of wait times in health care system, Mr. Speaker. We have delivered on the issues that we said we were going to work on, Mr. Speaker, and we will continue to do that if we can get this budget passed. Final supplementary. We're going to ensure that the budget would deliver for people and be accountable to them. But whether it's a failure to include a guarantee for home care wait times or any timelines at all to ensure that auto insurance premiums will actually come down in this province, whether it's hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on cancelled private power deals, on top of which we've seen hundreds of millions diverted to well connected insiders, or the lack of any infrastructure to close the $1.3 billion corporate taxable, people fear that they're going to be getting more of the same. Is the government ready to listen to some new ideas to make this budget more accountable and genuinely work for the people of this province? Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm sorry, there has been ample opportunity for the people of the province and for the third party, borders on the border. If you look at our budget, you will see issues that the NDP raised, largely because they were issues that we were concerned about too, and that's a good thing. I've said there's common ground, and there's common ground with the party opposite as well. But Mr. Speaker, to suggest now that we start from scratch and build a new budget, it's just not going to happen. We have presented a budget. We have presented a budget to the people of this province. I hope that the third party will support us and we can get that budget out of it. Mr. Speaker, please. The member from community services, please, minister, come to order. New question? The member from Whitby, Oswald. Premier, we've heard the story about the power plant documents. Can you assure us that there is a power plant document? Mr. Speaker, it's always amusing to hear the Progressive Conservative Party ask about power plant documents. Mr. Speaker, in an effort to be as transparent as possible, the Premier asked government members to put forward a motion, Mr. Speaker, which would have produced all documents related to the power plant over a very long time period since the cabinet office covered exactly what she spoke and Mr. Speaker, to the astonishment of everyone on this side of the house, the members of the Progressive Conservative Party and New Democratic Party voted against it. But you know, Mr. Speaker, when it comes to transparency, I guess the big question we have for them are when are progressive Conservative candidates going to appear in front of the committee? We have sent out numerous invitations to address this to the Premier because it's really a pretty simple question. You said last week that you'd signed a cabinet document without reading it. So I'll ask you again, what other cabinet documents are out there that you've signed without reading? Mr. Speaker, again, the Premier was in front of the committee for, I believe it was 90 minutes and answered a great number of questions related to documents related to the situation. But you know what's very interesting, Mr. Speaker, is you know who we haven't heard from is the Leader of the Opposition. And let me go through the chronology, Mr. Speaker, after they stood up and they've refused to apologize and threw out terms like construction snitch and make sure the Premier doesn't play calendar their Leader of the Opposition talk about a double standard. It was asked to come on April 30th. All of a sudden he was too busy. He wrote a letter on May 7th or the 14th. So we asked him for May 7th. And you know what, Mr. Speaker? He's too busy. Maybe May 14th, who knows when, Mr. Speaker, are we going to see the Leader of the Opposition who appeared in his own YouTube video to talk about the cancellation of the plan to come before the committee. When are we going to see that? Thank you. New question. Order. Order? When you can. How come the... Is... Government House Leader and the Member from Simcoe Gray come to order. New question please. The Member from Stick trek. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you. I have a question for the Minister of Health and long-term care will be available when it is needed. They are looking for a guarantee that no one, no matter where they in Ontario will be forced to wait longer than five days. They want the system to be funded responsibly, not at the expense of other health care services. Can the minister explain why her government is refusing to take these logical steps? Thank you, Speaker. Quite the contrary, this budget is great for people who are advocating for more care for people in their own homes. In fact, we have had to make some difficult decisions along the way to get to the point where we can, in fact, invest more in the community sector. We estimate that 46,000 more people will have access to home care thanks to this budget this year alone. We have been shifting. We are providing more care at home. It is where people want to be cared for. If they are ready to go for hospital, we need to be there in their own home. This is a really great budget for people who have been advocating for more home care. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, New Democrats' plans for home care would eliminate the wait list for care, guarantee services for everyone within five days, and fund these changes through savings like a hard cap on CEO salaries. But the plan presented by this government not only leaves Ontario without guarantee, but it cuts hospital services in order to fund home care. Can the minister explain why her government refuses to introduce the cost-saving proposal and instead cuts hospital care to fund home care? Minister of Health and Long-Term Care. Mr. Speaker, what's important to me is that patients are getting the care that they need. And if we can care for patients at home instead of in hospital, they're getting higher quality care at home, it's where they want to be, then we have to be prepared to make the tough decisions to serve more people where they want to be cared for at home. So that's what we're doing, Speaker, and it hasn't been easy. You'll remember that we've had some difficult challenges to get to the point where we're able to make this investment. When we took on the price of generic drug speaker, I'm not sure I remember the opposition standing with us. Well, we had to have that difficult conversation with Ontario's doctors to hold that envelope steady. I don't remember opposition standing with us supporting that decision. It's because of changes like that, Speaker, that we have been able to really invest. And patients need that investment, and that is in the home care sector and community care sector. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is also for the Minister of Health and Long-term Care. The single most important thing to seniors in my writing of York South Western, and I believe all across Ontario, is their health and well-being. They want to know that they can access hospital care when they need it, drug restrictions when they need it, and home care when they need it. It is our responsibility to provide that balance. Mr. Speaker, most seniors wish to remain in their homes as long as possible, but sometimes need some extra help in order to do so. Speaker, can the minister please tell us what we are doing as a government to ensure that people who need care at home and in their community are able to access it? Thank you, Minister of Health and Long-term Care. Well, thank you, Speaker, and thank the member from York South Western for being a tireless advocate for providing better care for people in their own home. Speaker, we know that if we can deliver care at home, that's better for patients and it's better for our health care system. So whether people need health, get into the appointments if they need resources for community mental health and addictions care, whether they need PSWs or nurses to come to their home. Speaker, our commitment is very strong. Health care starts at home. So our commitment in this budget will strengthen community, will be increasing funding by $260 million, beginning this year that's growing to $700 million, Speaker, if this budget passes. This is a very important initiative in our health care system. I really do hope that members from all sides will understand how important this is to seniors in this province. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Minister. Care at home and in our community do make a difference, sometimes a very big difference in the lives of our seniors. And my constituents are concerned about wait times for home care services. It's important that they get the services when they need them. Could the Minister please tell us a little more about how long seniors have to wait and how will the government be able to increase support to community health care? Thank you, Speaker. And the members who are heckling across the way might recall that the ask was for $30 million. We're putting in $185 million. A bit of a five day wait, Speaker, for people with complex conditions who need home care from a nurse or a personal support worker. Speaker, we are demonstrating that we are standing with patients. We are standing with people who are asking for care to be delivered in their home. We have a five day target for people no matter where in the province they live, Speaker. Together, we can get this done. It's the right thing for the people of this province. We all benefit when people get the care they need in the right place. Thank you. New question? A member from Miperson? Thank you, Speaker. My question this morning is for the Premier. Premier, last week at the Justice Committee, we learned the gas plant scandal leads all the way to your office. You outlined eight cabinet interactions you had regarding the Oakville and Mississauga gas plant cancellations. You admitted you personally signed off on one of the side deals that led to the $275 million Mississauga cost. And you personally signed off on the arbitration agreement for Oakville in July of 2011. You knew, Premier, yet despite our questioning, you refused to tell us when you knew the tab for Oakville was more than 40 million. Premier, is the reason for that because that would prove that you and your entire cabinet would be held in contempt? Very good. Thank you, Speaker. The Premier had, I believe, as I say, 90 minutes in front of the committee. And I think the most important thing to talk about when it comes to Oakville is the fact that she personally asked the Honourable General to look into it. But, Mr. Speaker, let's go back to the arrogance of the Conservatives. The member from Leeds-Grenville stood and said to the Premier, listen to this, next Tuesday you've been invited to appear before the Justice Committee. Will you confirm to the House today that you will order and instruct your staff to not play calendar or scheduling games?  Who's playing schedule games? April 30th, we requested the Leader of the Opposition to appear in front of the committee to talk about his costing, his estimates. He refused, Mr. Speaker. May 7th, we asked him to appear in front of the committee. He had even written a letter saying that he was available. He's refused, Mr. Speaker. When are we going to, A, get an apology for the way in which they addressed the Premier? And, B, see the Leader of the Opposition to appear in front of the committee. Supplementary. Thank you, Speaker. Still no answer from the Premier on when. No answer equals contempt coming up, Speaker. I know that's a fact. Premier Ontarians are fed up with the obstruction and obfuscation we've seen from you putting liberal interests ahead of the people. We've had liberal witness after witness appear before the committee and continue to sidestep the truth. We've heard from a liberal staffer that he illegally deleted emails. Today, we've learned from an FOI request that the emails of the former Chief of Staff, Principal Secretary and Deputy Director of Policy conveniently no longer exist and cannot be recovered from the tape. Thank you. Premier, how can you condone this contemptuous behavior of your government? Will you bring the confidence motion to the floor of this House for a vote? I ran through my roll-up decks in my the Thoris head here, and I did know that the member said something that was unparliamentary. Could you with draw, please? Thank you. Government House, please. Mr. Speaker, we have a handy timeline here. April 16th, we requested four opposition candidates to testify, including PC candidate Jeff Yanisic of the Robocall Fane and Zern Church in the Mississauga East Cookeville PC candidate. Mr. Speaker, they all declined. April 30th, Tim Houdak is asked to, excuse me, the leader of the opposition is asked to testify. He declines. Back-up witnesses Yanisic and Churchin also declined. We then invited PC candidate Marianne DeMonte-Wailen. She accepts, but a few hours before her testimony, she declines. May 2nd, Yanisic, Churchin and DeMonte-Wailen are called to testify. Yanisic tells the clerk of the committee to, quote, stop calling him and the other two do not respond. And then May 7th, Mr. Speaker, once again, once again, Mr. Speaker. The member from Renfrew, Nipissing Pembroke will come to order. Thank you. Just wrap up. May 7th, Mr. Speaker, we asked the leader of the opposition to appear before the committee. Thank you. Something he's indicated in writing, and yet again, he... New question? The member from Bramley, Gore-Multon. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier. Mr. Speaker, in 2010, this government slashed accident benefits to the tune of 70% in major areas in the GTA. The slashing of our benefits resulted in, I repeat, a 70% reduction in payouts in major areas in the GTA. Yet, in three years, despite this reduction in payouts, in three years, hard-pressed drivers have yet to see a penny, a penny of those savings trickle down to them in the form of lower premiums. I ask this government, how long do they think people should wait for their premiums to actually go down? Thank you, Premier. Mr. Finance. Well, thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I guess the easy answer to that is support the budget. Because the moment you do that, that's as soon as possible that we can start getting fiscal to get some teeth to provide the oversight necessary to ensure that the costs that are saved in those claims can be translated into premium reductions. We're on the same page on that. We want to see that happen as soon as possible. We know we've been able to translate a portion of that already. We need to do more. We need your support to make it happen. Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the problem is the budget bill does not include any timeline whatsoever for these reductions. So the 15% reduction in premiums could take two years, could take three years, could take five years. Nobody knows how long it will take. After three years of waiting, after seeing the benefits that consumers receive slashed, how long do this government think people should wait to see the reductions come through in the form of lower premiums? I ask again, Mr. Speaker, how long does this government expect consumers to wait to see a 15% reduction in auto insurance premiums? Thank you, Mr. Finance. So Mr. Speaker, I mean, the member opposite recognized the complexity of the situation. It's why he put in his private members bill that it should be a gradual reduction, knowing that we need to take this in a very concerted effort. We have to get at the root causes. We're taking steps necessary a couple of years ago with anti-fraud initiatives. We're working now with the industry to ensure that we pass on those savings to the drivers, to the premium holders, to the consumers. This is for the benefit of 9 million drivers across Ontario. We recognize the importance of doing this. We recognize the importance of doing this quickly. It's one of the reasons that in this bill we're asking fiscal to reduce the ROE by 25%. That's why we're asking the fiscal to provide the oversight necessary to work with the industry to pass on along those savings and forcing them to do so. It is why the industry is prepared to work with us because together we're going to reduce the cost of claims. Well, well beyond that which is existing in other parts of the Canada, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. New question to the member from Scarborough Rouge River. Thank you Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development, Trade and Employment. Every day I speak with young people living in my riding of Scarborough Rouge River. They tell me about the number of challenges they face to enter in the workforce and embarking on a career. These young people want to find meaningful employment that will take advantage of their skills, talents and knowledge. We all know that the unemployment rate among young people is disproportionately high and I'm concerned about the impact this could have on the long-term strength and sustainability of our workforce here in Toronto and in Ontario. For our province to be competitive and for our economy to grow, we need to ensure that young people have opportunities to access good, meaningful jobs. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister please explain the steps this government has taken to help our young people find good jobs and contribute to our economy and our communities? Thank you. Minister of Economic Development, Mr. Speaker, and Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the member from Scarborough Rouge River for his advocacy on behalf of young people, not just in his riding but right across his province. And I'm pleased to say in Ontario's 2013 budget this government is making an unprecedented investment in our young people. Mr. Speaker, we're investing in programs that will help them find jobs and put their considerable skills and talents to work not just now but for decades to come. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank the NDP for working with us. In fact, for bringing this issue to the fore early on, and I have no doubt that we'll be working as we find the exact way to make this program work that will continue to work together on this important issue. With an investment in our budget of $295 million, our government will work with businesses to create more supplementary so I can provide more details about the support initiative. Thank you Mr. Speaker and it is good to know that this government is committed to giving young people the boost they need to succeed. The initiatives that the minister mentioned to create opportunities are especially good for young people in Scarborough Rouge River and across the province who are keen about finding meaningful employment. Mr. Speaker, we know never before young people need skills in entrepreneurship to allow them to start their own businesses. In my riding, I hear great and innovative ideas from youth who are ready to put their ideas in action and become job creators themselves. Mr. Speaker, can the minister explain what this government is doing to expand opportunities to young people so they can succeed as entrepreneurs and contribute to the growth of Ontario's economy? Thank you Mr. Speaker our member is absolutely right. Our young people have the skills and creativity to become job creators themselves and to help to grow our economy and ensure that we stay competitive through the 21st century and as announced in the budget as part of our youth job strategy we propose to create a $195 million youth employment fund which is a fund that's going to expand job opportunities for youth but we're going further we propose to also create a youth entrepreneurship fund valued at $45 million over two years that will support young entrepreneurs through mentorship start-up capital and outreach and we're going even further we're proposing to create a $30 million youth innovation fund to help put new innovation research into action turning ideas into job creation and finally Mr. Speaker a business labour connectivity and training fund to help make connections and bridge those skills gaps so all our young people can have access to prosperity Thank you Mr. Speaker my question is to the premier to go to a picnic, a walk-a-thon or bake sale or a ribbon cutting this weekend to know that your government is in big trouble no one believes your government didn't know everything about the gas plant cancellations and no one believes your government has any principles left after by the NDP budget you signed the memorandum to cabinet on the cancelled Oakville gas plants which either means you have not been telling the whole story or your competency is in question now that you have demonstrated your disregard for the public proven you're not up to the job and that you lost the confidence of the people of this province will you put our PC confidence motion to a vote Thank you very much Mr. Speaker well I would suggest Mr. Speaker that this question is actually even less relevant today than it was last week Mr. Speaker because now the budget is before us and Mr. Speaker that budget is a confidence motion by definition Mr. Speaker so I really believe that the member opposite will have an opportunity to weigh in on her opinions around youth unemployment around more home care for the seniors and the people with disabilities in her riding on infrastructure investment she will have an opportunity to weigh in on all of those initiatives when she votes for the budget motion I look forward for her support Mr. Speaker Big news flash I won't be supporting that budget having in my career and I'll never support that government after the devastation that they have put across the Mitch factory sector in this province but I just want to say to this the name that she plays every story that she stretches every concession that she gives to the democrats to stay and power delegitimizes her in the eyes of everyday Ontarians no one trusts you anymore you said the canceled Oakville plan only cost 40 million dollars that was off by 775 you said you didn't know the true cost but David Lindsay, David Livingston Carol, Shelly Jamison, Joanne Butler and Colin Anderson all say that's not true when will you either call our comments motion to the floor of this assembly or go directly to the polls because the people of this province want to have their say on you Mr. Speaker please Mr. Speaker thank you Premier Mr. Speaker Mr. Speaker I think we have all been impressed with the openness of the premier when it comes to the Oakville plan the premier personally asked the auditor general to come forward with a figure the simple fact of the matter is we learned to committee last week there are now I believe four estimates for the Oakville plan that we need the level of certainty that the auditor general can bring forward we've heard Mr. Speaker of the move a motion to make all documents available she herself appeared when requested in front of the committee in fact the former premier the member from Ottawa South will be appearing tomorrow but the real question Mr. Speaker is where is the openness in the progressive conservative side Mr. Speaker where is the leader of the opposition when he's requested over and over and over again to appear where are the PC candidates who are refusing to appear because we want to hear about their analysis and their cost of election the member from Beaches East York thank you very much Mr. Speaker my question is to the premier even the bookies in Toronto can't peg the odds on whether Toronto will hit the jackpot for hosting a casino the premier stood in this house and said and I quote her there is no special deal for any municipality in the province but media reports on the weekend suggest that the OLG is anteing up a hundred dollars for a downtown site my question is somebody bluffing or is this liberal government laying a huge side bet on a Toronto casino thank you for the question and I'll reiterate again that there is no special deal for Toronto everyone in the province every municipality every region everywhere that we're dealing with regards to OLG transformation to try to bring in another million billion dollars more to build hospitals and to build schools and to help with our infrastructure those transformational changes will continue but not at the expense of any municipality there is no special deal we haven't landed on a formula as yet Mr. Speaker thank you Mr. Speaker as Kenny Rogers once saying you gotta know when to hold him know when to fold him when to walk away know when to run the OLG doesn't seem to be folding they're not walking away and they're not running so it looks like they're at the table and getting set to raise the stakes for a Toronto casino to a hundred million dollars is the Premier, is the Finance Minister ready to go all in now even though the Premier said there would be no special deal for Toronto Minister of Finance he doesn't really complain all he wants but we're not playing a game here this is serious business we recognize the importance this has for the province of Ontario we recognize the importance this has for the people of Ontario and it's coming upon us to ensure that whatever we do is consistent and fair transparent and the same right across the province that's what we're going to be doing from Gregory to Scott Russell thank you speaker thank you Mr. President thank you Mr. Speaker my question is for the Minister of Community Safety and Correctional Services investments in emergency management and we are committed to a safe Ontario for everyone today marks the kickoff of Emergency Preparedness Week this particular week gives us the opportunity to take the time and ensure that we are able to deal with an emergency if and when one happens Mr. Speaker can the Minister please tell us what the government is doing to increase Ontario's awareness and ability to face emergencies thank you Minister of Community Services and Correctional Services thank you to the good member of Gregory, Scott Russell and my parliamentary assistant Mr. Speaker last year we successfully responded to 24 declared emergencies and emergency management Ontario we coordinate between provincial and federal ministries to provide the most efficient assistance to municipalities and First Nations communities that need our help municipalities also play a very important role they set their emergency plan and I encourage everyone to know about their community safety procedures finally I always say that emergency preparedness is not just the responsibility everyone's responsibility so make sure that you have a plan make sure that you know about the plan of your municipality and especially have a survival kit ready thank you thank you Mr. Speaker thank you Mr. Speaker for your answer it's actively promoting emergency preparedness by working collaboratively with municipal and federal governments I've heard that there will be a focus on seniors this year for emergency preparedness week and it's very important that seniors are aware of potential dangers and know what they can do to be prepared in the event of an emergency seniors are sometimes the most vulnerable and everyone needs to ensure their safety can the minister please tell us what we're doing to make sure that in the case of an emergency situation that our seniors have the tools and the knowledge to be safe thank you minister Mr. Speaker last Friday I was in my riding at the St. Pauline Charon with the minister responsible for seniors and I announced that this year we want to focus on seniors because they can be especially vulnerable during an emergency Mr. Speaker EMO is in collaboration with the Ontario Senior Secretariat as they develop a new emergency preparedness guide for seniors this guide shows how easy it is for senior emergencies and outlines the circumstances we need that seniors should consider when they plan for emergency Mr. Speaker I also want to encourage everyone to take part of this week and help build a safer community for all Ontarians Mr. Speaker it was very interesting because the head of the Francophone seniors in Ontario was there and she told us that they have to be ready but they also are grandparents and after they babysit their grandson or daughter and they need to be ready for them too so it was a good message thank you Thank you Mr. Speaker my question is to the Premier Premier I have a simple question for you based on the findings of the Justice Committee with $600 million in waste a resignation of a minister and a former Premier the failure to produce documents and your refusal to say exactly how much the Oakville and Mississauga cancellation costs are is there any reason why this legislature should not find your government in contempt Mr. Speaker it is a case where they can't take yes for an answer the Oakville situation is one that is a concern to the Justice Committee it's a concern to this government and when the Premier assumed office was to ask the auditor general and officer of this House to look into it Mr. Speaker she made herself available for 90 minutes in front of the committee and the former Premier the member from Ottawa South is going tomorrow but I ask the member again and perhaps he can address this in his supplementary what are the Conservatives trying to hide why will the Leader of the Opposition not appear in front of the committee why will progressive Conservative candidates who sent out thousands of pamphlets over and over the cancellation of the plan who had robo-calls Mr. Speaker appeared in YouTube videos with the Leader of the Opposition who sent out tweets Mr. Speaker why will they not appear in front of the committee and tell their side of the story supplementary well you know Mr. Speaker I think that the government just said yes that his government is in contempt of this legislature I can't believe it but I'll ask the Premier once again your numbers are wrong you botched document dumps and you haven't been forthright about what you knew and when the people of Ontario have lost confidence in your government we on this side have lost confidence in your government the only people who seem to have confidence in your government are you and your government and half of the NDP caucus which half? when will the Premier admit that her government botched his file and say I am sorry the people of Ontario regret isn't enough Ontarians demand an apology Premier will you look into the camera you can choose the one over my right shoulder but I think you might like the one over my left question and tell the people that you are sorry for what you've done to this cause Government House Leader Mr. Speaker let's review Premier assumed office she asked the auditor general to look into the official situation the first grade on sound come to order she went to the opposition Mr. Speaker and offered a select committee the opposition said no they'd rather have a witch hunt against a former member of this legislature who's now in private life Mr. Speaker she offered to broaden the terms of reference to the committee and it took them a week and a half to finally get back to us Mr. Speaker one of the first actions of the committee was Liberal members at the advice of the Premier to go forward and ask for a look through government agencies and ministries to deliver documents and you know what happened Mr. Speaker the official opposition voted against it Mr. Speaker the Premier made herself available for 90 minutes to answer all questions as did the member from auditor oh boy I wish I knew who said that and if the member is honorable stand up and withdraw anyway go ahead Mr. Speaker all we are asking is the same level of cooperation from the Progressive Conservative Party that they will make their candidates available they will make the leader of the opposition available to talk about their support for the cancellation of the gas plants in the last election New question Member from London Fanshawe My question is the health to the Minister of Health and long term care Speaker residents in London are deeply concerned about the cuts they are seeing in our local hospitals London Health Sciences is eliminating 60 positions as is St. Joe's health care the one of a kind rehabilitation pool at St. Joseph's is closing and the hospital is warning of longer patient wait times for MRIs, PET scans and CT scans can the minister explain why her government is cutting care Minister of health and long term care well Speaker quite contrary and it's disappointing that the member from London Fanshawe is not paying attention to the transformation that is under way in health care in London and across the province we are reducing ALC rates dramatically in London because we are providing more care at home Speaker if we can provide Member from Kitchener Waterloo Member from Hamilton and East Stony Creek come to order what matters to me is that patients are getting the care they need and if we can provide that care in their own home where they want to be then that is what I want to be doing Speaker that's where I want to be investing if we can provide supportive housing if we can provide day programs for people with Alzheimer's Speaker so they don't have to go into long term care as before they really need to Those are the investments that we must make to transform our health care system if you value universal health care and I know we sure do universal health care then you support this trip I think I should have offered the member from Hamilton East Stony Creek help an awful lot earlier supplementary Speaker New Democrats want to see improvements in our broader healthcare like in home care but we do not want to see this being done at the expense of hospitals we provided this government the plan to improve home care by guaranteeing service within five days and fund these changes through savings like a hard cap on CEO salaries but our advice was ignored can the minister explain why her government has refused to implement our cost savings proposals and is recklessly cutting hospital services Speaker as I said earlier today we have made some difficult choices when it comes to reducing the price of prescription drugs when it comes to holding the line on physician compensation these have been difficult issues but we have done them for one reason and one reason only so that we can expand access to home care that we can support people in day programs that we can provide respite care that is where the future of our healthcare system must go I am going to offer some help and that is to the member from Hamilton East Stony Creek I'm going to warn him and I'm going to also warn the minister of community social services new question the member from Oak Ridge is Markham My question is for the Attorney General I know that adjudicative tribunals play a vital role in Ontario's justice system tribunals help keep many disputes out of courts by using their specialized expertise to adjudicate on a wide variety of disputes in an independent and impartial manner I also know that since 2010 this government has begun the process of clustering tribunals together in order to realize cost savings and efficiencies in this area Mr Speaker could the Attorney General please tell us about the clustering process and how the people of Ontario stand to benefit from it Attorney General Thank you very much Speaker I'd like to thank the hard work and dedicated member for this question she's extremely hard work on an annual basis Speaker there are over 600,000 hearings help annually before our administrative tribunals in the province of Ontario and since 2010 we've been clustering them together under the ministry of the Attorney General and through that we are building a more effective, efficient and accessible system of justice by clustering all of these administrative and adjudicative tribunals by allowing the tribunals to share resources expertise and best practices while reducing duplication clustering improves access to justice while getting better value for the taxpayers' dollars we noted that works true Speaker feedback has been very positive from both the environmental and land tribunals in Ontario and the social justice tribunals and they've been clustering since the last three years in fact the Drummond commission recognized that this ministry has benefited in particular from the co-location of offices, common administrative functions and procedural improvements as a matter of fact I don't want to hear what he has to say sit down there are no deferred votes this House stands recess until 1pm this afternoon