You are listening to the number one fitness health and entertainment podcast. This is mine pump. Now in this episode, we answer fitness and health questions, actually four of them. But the way we open the episode is with current event talk, fun stuff. We mentioned our sponsors. Today's intro was 43 minutes long. Then we got into answering the fitness questions. Let me give you a rundown. So we open up by talking about holiday movies, some of our favorites. Adam's watching one every single night. He's binging right now. Then we talk about our childhood obsessions. Take a guess, which one of us was obsessed with leprechauns.  Sorry, honey. I was very selfish. Then we talked about the cheese chasers in England. Sounds like a place Justin would love. I love this. We talk about a popular video on social media that is going viral right now, showing the hypocrisy of politicians, shocking. I know. Then we talk about some of our top mine pump listeners. There's people out there that actually binge listened to our show. 20 episodes in a day. Good for you, man. You guys are champions. Good for you. Then we talk about coffee, drinking, magic spoon cereal. By the way, magic spoon cereal is no sugar and high in protein. It tastes like the cereals you had as a kid, like fruit loops or all the good snacks or chocolatey, whatever. It's really good stuff and it's got great macros and you get a discount because you listen to mine pump. Just go to magic spoon.com forward slash mine pump and you'll get a massive discount that only mine pump can give you. Then we talk about who would win the civil war in America and how you should and shouldn't spend place, your bats, your money. Then we got into the questions. The first one, this person wants to know what the benefits are of sumo deadlifting versus conventional deadlifting. The next question, this person wants to know what some of our favorite go-to tools are for helping with recovery. 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Every night? Every night. Every night. So far, so good. I did watch National Ampuns, which I hadn't watched in such a long time. Forgot how good it was. It's the best.  Yeah, and I was like, I win. Nice. So it was, yeah, it was freaking hilarious. You know, I watched Home Alone again, too. Home Alone's great. Oh, that's the one on Next for us. And I forgot how good it was. So good. Okay, now part two when he's in New York. So I watched one so far. Do you remember that Trump is in part two? No, I did not. Yes, dude. He's lost. Oh, he helps him. Yeah, he runs into Trump. Trump helps him out. I don't remember that. Yes, dude. I was watching it with my kids and my daughter's like, huh? Why is the president? And I'm like, oh, before he was president, he did all kinds of weird stuff. Yeah, a lot of that stuff. A lot of nostalgia in it, too. I mean, you get to like the Walkman and there's like certain, there's clips of like games and stuff that you used to have. I was like, oh, this is, this is a really good flick. It is. The part where, because I was watching with my kids and the part where he's like trying to buy something for his wife, but it's like the attractive girl at the mall. Yeah, I love that part. So funny. So I'm watching my daughter's watching. Whenever that happens and we're watching something, I strike up a conversation real quick with her. Hey, so anyway, what's going on? We're trying to listen to the movie. Yeah, but I want to know what happened yesterday. Speaking to my daughter, she's the reason why I'm wearing the shirt. I see your unicorn shirt. That's tough. She said to me. Very magical. She said, papa, can you wear a unicorn shirt on YouTube? I said, done. Done. I don't care. I'll do whatever you want. I'll wear a competitor podcast shirt. You asked me. Yeah. I don't even care. Yeah. So tell me the story behind that. You had everybody dressed up in unicorn shirts. No, my mom bought us because my, my daughter is a huge unicorn. She's like a super fan. Yeah. She's just obsessed. It just became a thing. I think she identifies with it now. Anyway, so when Araleas was born, my mom, she's, you know, my mom is very aware of the fact that they're older siblings, wants them to feel special too. So she brought these unicorn shirts for all of us. And then my daughter said like unicorn, big sister. And then, you know, Jessica had one and my son had one. So we all wore them and took a picture. See, I was really into leprechauns when I was a kid. Were you really? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I totally believed in it too. That's weird because that's a weird thing. There was a, there was a scary, scary movie. Remember that? Yes. I'm the leprechaun. Well, we were kids. That was, there was a series that I think like three leper, the 80s and 90s, the 80s and 90s made scary movies that everything. Yeah, I know. We can make a leprechaun scary critter. Remember that little like scary puppet? Yeah. What were the ones what they were coming? There was like a, the cover of the horror movie was like a monster coming out of the toilet and it had like a round, like a really round. What were those called? Yeah, those critters. No, no, no critters. I don't think so. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Was that the one with gizmo? No, that's gremlins. Gremlins. Oh yeah. Which by the way, if you shave gizmo down. I saw the meme that said that. Yeah, it's, it looks, it does look just like him. It looks just like him, dude. Yeah. But why leprechauns? That's a weird thing for a boy to be into. Because dude, like, I think everybody kind of goes through a phase. Well, you know, you identify a lot with your Italian heritage still, but I, you know, went through that phase of like really being into like, I'm Irish, you know, like I'm telling everybody I'm Irish. So I like leprechaun. Yeah. So I just was like, I'm going to believe in all the folklore of like everything, right? And so I was like, lucky charms every day. Yeah, exactly. I just was really into it. And in my mom, my mom exploited it, you know, and so I told you guys this, right? Like when St. Patrick's Day, like, like came around, I was in elementary school and I was like a super fan of like leprechauns and whatnot.  And like most like other people are wearing green and they're doing all this stuff and they're probably going to dress up too. And like totally bamboozled me. I went to school dressed up as a full leprechaun.  I'm not even joking. And nobody's dressed up. Hold on a second. And I did a little Irish jig and stuff and like, like other classrooms pulled me in to do this little Irish jig. I did not know this.  Hold on a 15. Yeah. Totally got me chicks. Why can't I get laid? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't even Halloween. No, it wasn't even Halloween. St. Patrick's Day. Bro, what if I showed up on Columbus Day? Well, not you guys know. Free pizza. Yeah, my weird costume obsession and all this. It's totally for my mom, dude. She's like, she goes crazy. Oh man. Yeah. Did you have any obsessions at him? No, not like that, dude. Definitely not like that. You didn't have any obsessions. Come on. You're obsessed. All of us are obsessive. Yeah, it's gotta be something. Like what? Like toys, you know, baseball cards, you know, at baseball cards and micro-machines. Like I was definitely obsessed. You didn't believe in Bigfoot or nothing? No, I didn't have any.  You know what I'm saying? Hey, man. That wasn't my thing. I'm a believer. Yeah. Bigfoot's, well, the problem- Probably whatever you want. The problem is it's interdimensional. That's what we'll never find them. Yeah, I know. That's so elusive. Yeah, you just slip into another dimension. I was, I was lit. So when I was in elementary school, I used to love to go to the library. I know it's a big shocker. But I used to go to the library and they used to have this series of books called Unexplained Mysteries or something like that. And it was like a whole series. And every single book was dedicated to one conspiracy theory or one whatever. So it was like Loch Ness Monster or, you know, Roswell or Bigfoot or Mothman. Dude, I read all that stuff. Bro, Bermuda Triangle. So I literally, like, this is like fourth grade. I studied all these. They were so interesting to me. We would have been weird friends. Oh, yeah, for sure. Totally. You wouldn't have told, you wouldn't have admitted it. Yeah, I wouldn't have. I don't really hang out with him. But, you know, I'm like, hey, Sal, what are you doing? But hey, Justin is ignoring me. Yeah, whatever it is. Been in the library. Hey, I saw you in the playground. Sal goes to try and catch a football, hit some in the face. I don't know this guy.  And the ones that were the most interesting to me were Aliens and Bigfoot. Yeah. Bigfoot by far was the most terrifying. Totally. It was terrifying. The most plausible. Did you ever hear that story of the guy? There's one guy. It's like one of the top stories of Bigfoot where he said that they were throwing boulders at him and his family and they were running. Did you ever read that story? Yeah, I have. So here's the thing. With the Bigfoot thing, right, too. So there's like different places. There's one in Felton, actually, that's like a Bigfoot museum. And so we had, my mom, of course, led this and took us like on a trip, a family trip. We went up the coast of California all the way up and through like Oregon and everything and stopped at every one of those Bigfoot like landmark museum places.  That was like a family trip. Yeah, dude. I know. I know. It sounds really geeky. It's actually kind of fun. But I loved it. I loved it. I was a kid and I loved it. I loved it.  You think this is funny. But the legend of Bigfoot in some way, shape, or form. There's the abominable snowman. There's the Bigfoot of North America. There's, I think, in Asia. There's another. I can't remember the name of these. There's Harry and the Henderson's. Yeah, there's the movie. There's all these accounts all over the world from all these people that didn't communicate with each other. Explain that to me. Yeah, explain. I can't. I can't. That's real. They have really compelling stories. It's crazy. I think you're not getting sleep very much. And so you're falling. No, dude. It makes us a little delusional. Actually speaking of which, so last night was a little rough, right? Because we have a newborn.  Uh-oh. Yeah. What'd you do in the dog house? No, so she, no, we patched it up. Was that your story you talked about in the podcast? Yeah.  So it's this whole process. Like for anybody who doesn't have a baby, breastfeeding, even if everything goes great, it's crazy. Insane commitment. Yeah. Insane. It's your every three hours. And it's not like, you know, breastfeeding takes five minutes. So then you wait another three hours. It takes like 40 minutes, an hour. And then they get teeth. Yeah, yeah. And then you got to end this. In reality, it's like every other hour or something like that.  And then if you're trying to produce more milk or you want to save some, just in case or whatever, then you get a pump in between. And it's this whole thing, right? So she's doing this whole thing. She's being a champ about it.  It was kind of a crazy day. And finally I get to bed and we're sitting there. She goes, hey, listen. She goes, one of the best times for me to pump is in the morning because I produce the most milk and I feed him in the morning and then I pump and then, you know, but he cries. So I need you to, you know, if you can like hold him. So I'm like, that's the time I work out. You know, so I'm thinking about it. Oh boy. I know, dude. And then they're crossing into the sacred zone. Yeah. So I'm like thinking in my head and I'm like, well, what time? What time? She's like, well, I don't know what time. She's like, it could happen or whatever. I'm like, well, I need to know so I could schedule my workout.  And I'm like, that's the only hour that I have when I don't want to be interrupted.   I can't take a shower. So I'm going to take a shower four days. This kid's glued to me all day long and I'm just laying there feeling like a big accident. Well, I'm going to get your back right here. And the reason why this is so funny that you've brought this up because it was just like, was it just a week ago, Justin? Or two weeks ago when I was talking about this? Oh, yeah, we were talking about this. We were talking literally about this, right? Don't mess with Sal. We were just talking about how we've all now been, you know, I mean, we've been working together for over six years, day in, day out, hours. And by this time, we all know each other really well. And everybody has their course.  And you guys have all expressed that. So we don't need to go there. But I mean, we can revisit them. Yeah, we could do it another time, right? Put the note up there and remind us. Bullet points. But there is something that is borderline comical to me about Sal. And that is that, you know, he will, nothing, everything revolves around his workout time. And if we're traveling, we're doing like heaven forbid, you miss your workout. Like so. And for like, Justin and I and Doug are all very similar. I mean, if I got a lot of work stuff I got to do early or I got shit I got to do for Katrina or something like that. Like, well, I guess my workout gets postponed or I'm not doing it today. I'm going to do it another day. And so that's just kind of how life for us, where Sal has built his life around his workout so well that you cannot. And it's funny because he'll come in some days, like late because he has a kid now, right? So he's, you know, he's tired and stuff like that. He's like, oh my God, I was up all night long.  He's got an arm pump.  But you showed up late, you know what I'm saying? I'll wake up at four a.m. to make it happen. Yeah. So that's the thing.   Right.  You know what I'm saying? So I find it funny when you do that.  So now that you're bringing this up that Jessica is kind of razzing you a little bit or giving you a hard time and making you feel guilty.   It's honestly, it keeps me sane. That's what it really is. It's like my meditation. And if I can do that, then everything else, I'm like flexible. I can do all that stuff. But that being said, like she makes excellent point. And my son and her priority, but it's like she right away, my reaction when she said that. Of course. Like, no. Wait a minute. We'll schedule it. Just tell me what time. That way I can work out before or after. Like, I'll wake up early. I don't care. I don't know what time. This doesn't work for me. Should I work out after work? What do you want me to do? Have you guys seen that show on Netflix? The We Are The Champions? Yes. I highly suggest. Yes. No, no, no. It's amazing. Bro, it's the weirdest competitions around the world. All the weirdest things you've ever seen. So one is this cheese, like a cheese rolling down a hill and they're chasing after this rolling cheese. Have you ever seen this? It's insane. No, it's not even been recommended to me. This is in England, I believe. This is crazy. It's been around for centuries and they don't even know the origins. They don't even know how long it goes back. By the way, this hill, it's deeper than 45 degrees. It's deeper than 40. It's like this. They rolled the cheese down the hill. So it's essentially, I mean, it's to say that you're running down a hill, you're more like you're falling down a mountain. Yeah, exactly. And the goal is to get down first. And these people, they try to run and then they fall down. They sprint straight down and then you know you're going to fall. And so they just try and figure out how they're going to be able to spring back up after they're rolling and falling and smashing all their limbs. It's crazy. It's crazy. I've never even heard of this. One of the champions is this woman. She just, she broke her collarbone one time and another dude just ankle turned the other way. She's fearless. It's just, you haven't seen this? No. Doug, you've got to pull this up if you can. No, it hasn't even... Look up cheese rolling. You said it's Netflix? England's rolling. Cheese rolling. Yeah, yeah. I'm actually, I'm a big fan of it now. I want to pay attention to what's going on. Yeah. And it's so, it really does highlight just the strangeness of human psychology, right? Because it's like, for what? Yeah, what's the end result? You know, what you're gonna, you get like some kind of status in the town. Well, first you win the cheese. Well, you win the cheese. Yeah. You get a picture. You get a picture with the cheese. Might get a plaque. They hold up. You got to see this video.  Have you seen this, Doug, before? Yeah. I haven't. This is new to you, too. And there's, there's a few on there.  We definitely get some different things. Watch them, watch them go down. This is crazy, watch. So they take off and... Yeah, it doesn't look crazy in slow motion. Oh, no, here we go. It's how they start getting into the rolling part. Yeah. Yeah. Watch this. Yeah. What the... Oh yeah, look, look. Oh, we're about to go over. Wait a minute, wait. Oh, my God. There goes my leg. Blown ACL right there. Oh, bro. And then, and then that's it.  They never have an event where somebody doesn't end up having to go to the hospital. Yeah. Look at this.  Wrists, dude. It's just damaging, you know? That's, that's the contest. It's just like, it's, yeah, it's like an onslaught. How long is it, Justin? Is it like a pretty long hill?  I mean, they're still going. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's a pretty tall, tall hill. And it's... Now, once you do this one time, you win. You don't have to keep doing it like multiple times in a day or what like that. No, you win. But that girl right there, that, that chick right there that's flipping over and hit her head on the floor. Yeah. She won three times, I think, three or four times in a row. So she's like one of the world.  I'm here to win. I'm here to win. Yeah, this is a hill that I wouldn't want to go up. Oh my God, look at that. It's insane, man. Like, I, I don't know. Like, I just, I was watching that just like completely in awe. Yeah. These are the, these are, it's interesting. These like cultural competitions in these towns that are, you know, like...  Yeah, they're not, they're not making tons of money. It's just, it's low. It's like that one, remember that one competition in Italy? Yeah. Where... Oh yeah. It's basically, it's like you're trying to get the ball on the other goal, but you can stop the other people any way you want. Yeah, you can basically punch, kick or smash. Like you could do basically anything to... Body slam them, whatever you want. Yeah, it's like that. So there's a few, there's a few of these on there that are like really random and crazy. The other one was like a chili eating competition. Oh, I saw that one. Yeah. And dude, this guy is like evil. The one that's like genetically breeding like the, the, you know, as far as it being the spiciest one in the world, he's now making new ones that are bigger and even more spicy. And the heat rating is like insane. It goes from like a couple hundred, whatever, BTM or whatever like the heat map is of that to like 2 million, you know. And so there's... So like if you have a hot pepper and you eat a hot pepper and it's really spicy. Yeah. Imagine something that's hundreds of thousands of times. Dude, what's that gonna do to your insides? You know, like, oh. Well, that's what I'm wondering. Getting it out. That's what I'm wondering because when you watch the competition, these people are just, they're crying. They're, you could tell they're in tremendous pain.  Yeah. Yeah. You still got to go through that. It burns. Yeah. It burns the second one. Yeah. Really bad. Yeah. Like when we go to, if we go to a restaurant and we have spicy food and it's spicy, I know later this is going to be a, you know, a damp toilet paper, you know what I mean? Because you're going to be, you're going to be putting things on fire. Yeah.  It's just interesting, you know, but I get, I get it on some level. A lot of them used to have like a background of like add addiction, you know, maybe it was like alcoholism or drugs or something. And then they kind of fueled that into like a chili eating obsession. Yeah. Which is strange. Speaking of videos, would you guys think of that video that Joe Rogan posted? Someone else made it. I got to see who made that. The one with the politicians. Oh yeah. Just showing their blatant hypocrisy. Oh yeah. It's great. Oh my God. I'm glad somebody finally put something simple like that together. I'm so over. You know, I swear it's like... That is going viral. Everybody's sharing it right now. So, you know, I feel like... Oh, it's Joey B. Toons. Joey B. Toons is I guess the guy that made that. Who is that? Is he comedian? I have no idea. Yeah. You know, there's, what do you guys see in your family right now? Like as far as like the whole, like I feel like it's died off big time, right? It reminds me. Fear? You know, it reminds me of the, I'm not just politics in general right now, right? Because that's become so political. I feel like it reminds me like I always talk about how it's sports for nerds. And if you have like a super, like Super Bowl at my house, there'll be 10 people there. There'll be two fanatics. There'll be four people that are like into it. Into it. They're into it and they're all about it, but then they're not like as crazy as the two fanatics. And then there's like four people that are just like here because it's Super Bowl and whatever. I feel the same like percentage of people with politics.  Oh my God. Right. And then you have everybody else that are just like they're over it. I feel like everybody is over talking about it now, except for my like radical left, radical right side. So this video highlights the politicians with who are enacting some of the harshest and strictest lockdown. I know, but aren't you over all the government? Aren't you guys over all this? Oh, no, I am. I'm so over it. But the part that, the part that, here's the deal.  They're going to shut your water and electricity off and they're doing it. And then they get caught on video doing the exact same thing. I know, but pure hypocrisy. But let's be honest though.  Exactly. So reasonable. Exactly. It's unreasonable. And so when they came out with all that stuff at the very beginning, you can't tell me that you guys all didn't think right like, yeah, right. Like you're really going to be taking between bites, dropping your mask and then putting it back down. Yeah, I even say it. Exactly. And that's the thing. And I'm sorry, but if you're an elected representative and leader, you're not a ruler, by the way. I want to remind all the politicians in America, we don't have rulers to stop acting like that.  I don't know how- Yeah, I was going to say, we put this person in. Yeah, she was like, Jesus, dude. I'm more mad at everybody else. That's how I feel. I'm like, come on, we voted for this guy. But think about it this way. Think about back when you managed gyms. Okay, one of the more difficult things that I used to have to communicate to my staff was cleaning equipment.  You remember the conversations we would have? Of course, of course. So as a leader, what would you always do in order to encourage other people to do it? Right. You go out- By example.  You don't just tell people what to do. Absolutely.  Again, to me, it just highlights that it was a political thing. And it's always been that. It's always been a political thing. And people that think it's, oh, no, it's about health and safety. Like, no, it's not. No. No, it's not. It's a political move that people are doing. And they get up there on stage and they wear it all the time.  If they really cared, it would be 100% consistent. Yeah. That's it. I don't know if it's political as much as it just highlights that they're politicians. And people who seek power are the very people you don't want in power. That's what I think. I think you've got a high level of narcissism and a little bit of psychopathic.  Oh, rules for you, but not for me. I'm so over all this conversation. It is. It is. It's played out. It is. I mean, we're spiking right now, aren't we? Are we at record highs right now, aren't we? Oh, I think it's spiking right now. Yeah, you don't even know. I wonder about that, too. Because I know right now it's cold and flu season. That just picked up on top of it. How many people are getting tested thinking they have COVID, I wonder. I don't know. I know it's going up. And I mean, I'm not saying it's a real thing. I'm not saying it's a hoax. I'm just saying that I wonder how the hysteria of, because if you start feeling you get the snivels, like how many people are going to be like, oh my god. Yeah. When it was that one meme I shared, it was like 2019, you coughed to hide a fart, 2020. You fart to hide a cough. Exactly. That's the new feeling that's out there. Adam, who do you think would win the Civil War, by the way? If we had a Civil War. Definitely not Antifa. I don't know, dude. You've got Vegas bets on that. I know. I know you got the. Well, I told you. So here's the thing, though. I mean, the left has got the. They got the tech companies. They do. They have the tech companies. But we have Elon Musk. The right has Elon Musk. That's right. And Elon Musk is kind of, I don't know, man. I feel like he'd build some cyborgs or something. I feel like he's enough to nullify the other guys. You think so? Yeah, at least that. And then it's really down just to the people. They do full Skynet on the other street. One side knows how to shoot a gun. The other side doesn't. One of them does not.  No, I'm all joking aside. No Civil War, please. Let's not do that. Let's work together. Hey, so I wanted to give some shout outs to some of our top mind pump listeners. Oh, did you see the Spotify stuff? I shared that yesterday. Yeah, I shared that yesterday. So you guys have been getting some pretty crazy ones. Yeah. I mean, they just keep coming in. Like right when I think that I was like, oh my god, I can't believe this person. It was like 35. I saw 56,000 something minutes. What is that? What is that now? Or is there 56,000 and some change? I'll just say 56,000 because it was over that. I don't know. Carry the one. That's 933 hours. 933 hours of mind pump. So that's a lot of days of listening to. I mean, that's like, that means consistently every day you're listening to a minimum of two to three episodes. Every day. Every day. For a long time. Yeah, I shared one with this guy because then they also will list, apparently Spotify will tell you how many hours you've listened to a podcast and then they'll tell you the most episodes you've listened to in a day. So I have a guy that listened to 21 episodes in one day. Is that possible? In one day. I mean, technically, I don't know if you listened to the whole episode, but he listened to 21 in a day. His name, his Instagram is from you got to V cut. Actually, he's got a pretty amazing transformation. Listen, if you're listening right now, dude, that did that. Send me another message.  Yeah, I think we're going to hook up like the top. Well, it's late. Wait until everybody, let's wait till they all come in, right? Yeah. Well, the other, I don't know who's going to beat this guy who got 56,000. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, minutes. James Niver. I think if I pronounce it in his name, right? But yeah, dude, that was seriously impressive. Yeah. And then to the people that posted their top podcast, and we came in second or third, you're not going to give a shout out. Yeah. You're not number one there. Yeah. Yeah. No, no luck. Starfish and coffee 44. I saw hers. That was like 35, 35,000. Starfish and coffee. They go together. It's a big combo. Usually it's coffee, then Starfish. Speaking of coffee, my son. So the other morning we were eating breakfast. By the way, he's crushing the magic spoon. Now he's having it all the time. Oh, there was a little resistance in the beginning. That's my fault because I sold it. You sold it for healthy.  So if I say do something, he's going to not do it. And what I should have done, Jessica always hammers me on this. She goes, you are not subtle. Like because I'll get like, I'll get like a new bread, but it's like healthy or whatever.  Put it in the fridge. Yeah, just leave it there. Yeah. And I'm not sooner or later. He'll want a peanut butter jelly sandwich. Yeah. And he'll eat it. And then without knowing, he's eating the healthier bread or whatever. Anyway, so now he's finally eating the magic spoon every single morning. Totally loves it. But we were talking about coffee and he's like, what age did you start to drink coffee? I'm like, oh man, I said, like I was in my 20s, I think I started drinking coffee. He goes, yeah, I have this friend in school that drinks espresso throughout the day. Another 15 year old, and he goes, am I ever going to like the taste of those types of things?  So we're talking about how your, you know, your taste buds start to develop. Yeah, yeah, he got to train them. Yeah, whatever. He's like, I like coffee ice cream. Like, well, I guess you could put a bunch of sugar in it and you'll like it. Yeah.   He goes, isn't caffeine a drug? He goes, I read that so many thousands of people go to the hospital every year from too much caffeine. He goes, why don't we treat it? Could he be more yourself? I know, exactly. Could he be more yourself? He ran up on all that. It's like I wouldn't, I had a tear come down. My kid just did it. That's right. That's correct, son. Ooh, it'll feel good. That's not going to be my kid. Why did this happen, Dan? Why do I have the shits? Why did you drink all of my coffee at once? You're supposed to take sips. Why are you adding cheese to your coffee, though? It burned my throat. No, he's, no. So he's like, why do we, he goes, why is coffee treated differently than other substances? He goes, kids can get it. He goes, I see everybody drinks it. I said, I don't get it. I said, well, that's welcome to the inconsistencies of how we treat things in the world. Oh, wow. It was a good conversation. Do you guys remember when you first started drinking coffee? I do. It was when I was working as a server. And it was because I just kept going to work, like basically hungover. That was in college. So I was like, come to work, just like, just mess. And the manager there was just like, oh my god. Like, I'm about to send you home here. And he like makes me start drinking coffee.  And then I started to kind of put cream and all that. And then it was like, oh my god.  I had all this energy and I was addicted immediately. Yeah. How old are you at that point? I was probably 20, like on the dot. Oh, so I was the youngest then, huh? I was 15. When you were drinking coffee, 15? Coffee wasn't even popular back then. So, well, you gotta remember, I used to milk cows in the morning before school, 3.30, 4 o'clock in the morning. Oh, wow. So at like 4 o'clock in the morning, I'd stop by 7.11 before I headed over to the dairy.  Well, no. Did somebody tell you to do that? Or did you just think of getting coffee? So, I mean, I just thought, I mean, one, I was- Did you squirt them right into the coffee? No, 7.11, if you guys go to 7.11, 7.11 has that like cappuccino, espresso, like machine.  It was very, I mean, now I would be like, oh, it's so sweet. I had to start with that, right? So like black coffee was not happening at all. But like you, I had tasted it before my grandmother used to have it all the time, and I remember having it, and I felt the energy from it. And then, and all it took was a morning of not having it and working compared to a morning of having it, and where I'm going like, oh, wow. 90 difference. Oh, yeah, because by the time I finished half the cup before I got to the actual job site, I was like ready to work.  Now my first experience with coffee was when we went to, we went to visit family in Italy, so I'm 12 years old, and everybody used to sit, they would drink espresso, and then they'd smoke cigarettes. And me and my cousin, he was a little older than me, and he was a bit of a bad influence or whatever. When they would put out their cigarettes, they'd throw them on the floor, and him and I would wait for them to go inside, and we'd pick up the cigarettes and smoke the rest, and then we'd drink the leftover coffee.  But anyway, I did that, and I remember just, I had all this insane energy, and then I felt dizzy and sick from the combination of the two. And that was it, I never touched it again. I did energy supplements. That's, I didn't do coffee for a long time. I did all the energy supplements. Did you do your Joke Cola? I did Joke Cola as a kid, but I went hardcore, dude. You gotta remember, I was probably 16. I bought a chemistry book, and I was trying to study the breakdown of caffeine. Then I learned about ephedra. Then I learned that you could add aspirin. Yo-hem-bee. Yo-hem-bee. Then syniphrin. You went all in, man. I actually did. I mixed it all together, and I went to the gym. I did like a two and a half hour, three hour workout, came home, and didn't fall asleep till 4 a.m., heart beating out of my chest. I thought I was gonna die, and I swore off all energy supplements, and that lasted another month, and then I went back on and started messing with it. That's a true story.  So you had to graduate. Yeah, I mean, then you got it. Then I got into the fitness world at 20, and somebody introduced me to Speedstacks, which are like three cups of coffee, or four cups of coffee, plus ephedra, and it was like, oh, wow. This is like on another level. Lightning mode. Yeah, so I never, I don't remember. I mean, it didn't get till about, I don't know, probably close to late 20s before. I really liked the taste of coffee. It was always about how I felt. I mean, the minute I, when I could compare a morning of coffee and working to a morning or not, it was like, oh, this is jump rope. Yeah, there was no Starbucks. They actually made coffee somewhat like, you could drink it. You know, it was like, it tasted good. They had all these extras things. So it's interesting now to see all these kids getting started so early, because it's a different animal. It used to just be, like you said, coffee and cigarettes. When I was a kid, coffee was disgusting, and the only time I smelled it on my teacher's breath, it was gross. Yeah. So I went, oh. Brown teeth. Anybody, anybody, either one of you guys read, or Doug, you read how much that industry has grown over the last two, two decades, or three decades? I haven't, but I can look it up. I bet that's crazy. Huge. Yeah, because like you guys, when I was a kid, it was like Folgers, and like, yeah. Well, hold on. What is Folgers, by the way? It's a brand. No, I know that, but it's like freeze-dried coffee, or what is that? It's powdered. It's like a scoop when you throw it in. I don't know. It's disgusting. The best part of waking up? Yeah. My grandma still drinks it. You know what's hilarious about that? She drinks Folgers still. Yeah, dude. She's 98, and like has been drinking ever since I've known her, you know? And basically, I was like, oh, she loves coffee, you know, just in general, I thought, right?  Yeah. I was so offended.  Well, did you guys know that Starbucks actually burns their coffee? So it's not even good coffee. So like, it's consistent. Yeah, so it's consistent, right? Because depending on when you've got the beans and time and where in the world you got it, it will make the taste different. And so to make Starbucks consistent, they burn them all to a certain level and so it'll taste the same. I always like the flavor of Peets way better. Peets is way better. Yeah, but I got to give credit to Starbucks. They're Nitro. They're Nitro wins. Is legit. It's really, really good, but that's it. Everything else, I know my...   That's been a thing forever over there. Yeah, coffee and cigarettes. You always go by shops and see that. I mean, there's a lot of places dedicated to just that.  Yeah, you know what they have? They don't even have chairs in a lot of them.  What does that say? Yeah, what you got from me here, Doug. These are percentages of adults in the U.S. drinking specialty coffee from 2001 to 2017. People drinking it daily went up from 14% to 41%. Oh my God. 4x. Wow. 41% drink it daily. What's the average? What would you guys estimate is the average cost of a Starbucks specialty coffee? Four bucks. A specialty coffee? Yeah, like not just drip, but like to say you get a mo- Let me get a mo- Yeah, 350, $4 or something. $4 a day. Yeah.  You know, you could, you could do some stuff with 120 bucks a month if you wanted to. Yeah. You could invest that. You could.  Little things. Yeah, you could.  You could chump change down. You could almost buy a pair of sneakers. But it's one of those things. By a comic book. It's one of those things though. You ever have family or friends that talk about like money trouble?  Oh, I know. They smoke cigarettes. They're like, that's like. Well, they're the same ones that get the new game console and all, you know, the flat screen TV, but I, you know, I'm hurting right now. Yeah, this is a conversation Jessica and I have because she grew up, you know, very differently than I did. And she says that in her experience, a lot of the times people with money issues isn't necessarily because they have trouble making money, but rather they don't know how they don't know how to manage it. No, there's a statistic on this. I can't remember what it was, but it's you, no matter how much money you make, if you have bad money behaviors at, you know, 20 grand a year, you make one 40 a year. It doesn't change.  I mean, I remember that with myself. I mean, that was a, in my teens, the early 20s, I remember, you know, every year, working hard and making a little more money, a little more money. And it took about five or six years, I think, consistently of doing that when I finally like reflected on like, fuck, my lifestyle doesn't change that much. You know, so you go to a fancier restaurant, right? Like an expensive dinner in my, you know, early 20s was a $100 dinner.  Well, now you spend 60 grand on it. Like as far as like your normal stuff, it all stays about the same if you have those same behaviors. So it doesn't really change just because you make more money. It's pretty fascinating. Yeah, it's actually, it's a skill. It really is. It's like, you know, we talk a lot on the podcast about having a good relationship to exercise and nutrition. And that will stay with you no matter what, right? So even if you don't have equipment, for example, if you have a good relationship with activity, you'll make time for it. You'll take care of your body. Yes, priority. Same thing with nutrition. There are skills and relationships that we also have with money. And in my experience, the people I know, my family and friends that have issues with money, as soon as they have it, they tend to spend it. And then to them, they think, well, what's the big, this is, I've actually heard, I've actually had family members tell this like, I'll say, well, you know, you can easily save $300 a month doing this. Like 300 bucks a month. What's the, you know, what's that worth? Who cares? It's not a big deal. Like, well, that's the attitude that gets you where, you know, where you're at. Now, how do you guys manage the balance? Because I think there's also the extreme on the other side, right? So you have somebody who doesn't spend anything as saving for the end of life or retirement or what about that? And then they, I think there's like, there's periods or seasons or whatever, like where we should really consider having like a more of a strict goal. And then, you know, like at least having like that foundation established. So then you can, you can start kind of like spending a bit more of like what you've acquired. But I think there's, there's just periods of life where you do have to kind of buckle down, you know, and I think it's important to do that. I think that where the root is, because you're right, Adam, because you could go in the other direction where you're so fearful that, you know, you hold on to every, you pinch every single penny and you're, and you're just as unhappy. You got to make it worse your time. Yeah, that's the thing. I think the healthy aspect of it comes from really knowing what you truly value, you know, just like with food, right? Or with anything else. Like, is this truly bringing me value or am I just self-medicating with this? Or yeah, or is it about other people, right? Am I buying this so I could show other people? Exactly. Is it really for myself, right? Exactly. And there's, I'll tell you, every spiritual practice, every major spiritual practice, practice is some form of detachment, some form of minimalism. And I think Elon Musk did this. Didn't he sell all his houses and he says it makes him feel more free and more. I didn't know that. Yeah, this was one of those weird things. I would get in conversation with some of my, you know, family members who are super religious and like have a different perspective of like people that have wealth and have acquired riches and things. It's not that, like, that's not the root of evil. It's really like what you do with it. It's like, it's your behaviors around it. You know, it's about like establishing the boundaries and using it and shuttling it towards things that, you know, are high on your value system. How much stock do you guys put into this? Like, I mean, do you really, like, monthly, do you have roles that you set yourself with? So, I mean, we're talking about very vague things, by saying value and this and that, but like, do you give yourself like- If things are tight, then I can, then I'll definitely have a budget and I'll be very strict. If things are not tight, then the way that I operate is more of a, is this something that really brings me value? Do I really need this? And that seems to work really well for me.  I was 18, 19 managing gyms. I was making a lot of money back in those days. And even then I would have those conversations with myself, like, you know, do I really, is this really going to bring me a ton of value? I remember at one point, I wanted to buy a one-year used Lotus. Remember the Lotus Esprit, I think it was? Remember, I was 19 years old. I was making six figures. I had no bills. It would have been easy for me to buy this sick-ass car. Right, right, right.  So, see you in the Lotus. Of course, that's the car, right? Yellow sunglasses. Yes, dude, yes.  Meep, meep, meep. It was yellow. Meered glasses. It was at the Los Gatos dealership, you know, the one that they have all the time. Yeah, exactly what you're talking about. So I thought about it and I said, oh, I could totally get that. And then I remember I had this thought, like, I was in my room at night and I thought, like, am I really going to value this? Like, do I really care about this? And for me, I really didn't. So I ended up not doing it. I think that's a good way to operate unless things get tight. And I've been in situations where things get tight. Then when they get tight, then I say, here's my budget for food. Here's my budget for, you know, gym. Here's my budget for leisure. And then I get very, very strict, you know, like diet. Like if I'm trying to get shredded, you know, for a photo shoot, I'll start to track. But if I'm just trying to live a healthy life, then I kind of just follow these kind of guidelines. Yeah, I've always kind of tried, well, I always have lived within my means in terms of spending only what I actually have. And I'm not like going outside of that. But the value has changed over the years. I mean, yeah, when I was younger, a lot of it was a bit driven by ego and by trying to kind of show off or like where I was in terms like a status thing. But, you know, over the years, that's definitely not been the case. It's been more about, you know, family focused and like, how can I now sort of like foster a better environment for the family? And like a lot of that revolves around space right now. So we're saving, you know, to try and increase just the square footage of where we are to benefit just our lifestyle and interactions with each other. Yeah, right. You know what, what about you, Doug? Doug, you seem to be one of the best with money and you don't spend a lot of money. He's very smart.   Drones and everything. Yeah. Then those platinum teeth you bought. Yeah, yeah. I buy what I want. Yeah. Typically, however, you know, for example, like a new car, I would like a new car, but I won't buy it if I don't feel like it's really justified. Yeah. So I'll drive a car for a very long time, even if I can afford one. You know, there's kind of basic principle, pay yourself first. So I probably carve off around 20, 25% of everything I make and I put it away in investments so that I'm paying myself first and have something built in behind the scenes. It's a good, it's a good practice. You know, it really is. You know, what I'm realizing now is I getting older, I find a lot of value in paying for more time. So what I mean by that is the way I was raised with my family, you know, remember my parents are immigrants and they came from very, very humble, poor beginnings. And for them, it's strange to hire anybody to do something you can do for yourself. Like my dad would never hire a gardener. To him, he would be like, why would I do that when I do that? Why would I hire someone when I can do that? My mom would never hire someone to clean her house or to cater or to cater a party because she could do it all herself. For me, and I grew up that way, thinking that way. And then I had this huge shift where I'm like, you know, the time that I could spend doing, the time I spend doing this particular thing, I can be, I can have way more value out of that time if I hire someone and pay them.  So that's something that I'm, it's like really easy for me to spend money on is to provide, give myself more time. More, that's way more valuable than things. Like buying things, I don't really care about that, but buying time, I think that's, for me at least, that's super valuable. First question is from Mark O'Reilly Duvall. What are the benefits of sumo deadlift over regular deadlift? You know, it's, the thing about those two exercises is, I blame powerlifting for this. Powerlifting competition treats both the same. They're so different. They're very, they're two different exercises. But if you're in a powerlifting competition and it's time to do a deadlift, you have the choice of pulling sumo or pulling deadlift. So because of that, and because deadlift really gained most of its popularity through powerlifting and then only later became a big deal for developing muscle, strengthening the body, improving mobility and functional strength and all that wonderful stuff, because its roots were in powerlifting, people started to think that they were interchangeable. They're not, they're different exercises. They're, yes, both posterior chain dominant. There's a lot more hip involvement in sumo deadlift. The positioning is totally different. There's more back involvement with a regular deadlift. And I think you should treat them like different exercises. Now, does this mean you should do both? I don't necessarily think you have to do both. I do both every once in a while, because I think they're both very valuable. But, and you'll find one will probably suit you more, tall, lanky people, like the regular, more than the shorter people tend to like, and females tend to do better with sumo. But the benefits, I mean, more hip involvement, more adductor, you know, these are the inner thigh involvement, less potential stress on the low back. So some people who think it's a safer type of deadlift, although I can argue that it could be just as dangerous. But yeah, totally different exercise. If you're trying to build your butt and you're not doing sumo deadlifts, you're missing out. It was one of the staple exercises that I would teach to somebody that was wanting to, and the reason why I think it's such a great exercise for that is because very few people move laterally or exercise that way and get your glute meat involved. And the sumo, because you're in this wide open stance and the knees are forced out and your feet are externally rotated, the glute meat is really turned on in that exercise. And there's just not a lot of stationary exercises that you are, that's really lit up hard. Especially not with heavy load. Right, especially with heavy load. So, and to simplify that for a person is like, that's the side butt. You know, that's what gives you that look from the side or the heart shape of a butt. So if you're trying to develop a butt and you don't do sumo deadlift, I think it's one of the single best exercises besides maybe like a hip thrust that you can be doing to build your glutes. I also think that it's good for corrective stuff. So very, very common that I would see people, their knees cave in when they squat or feet pronating. And yes, that has a lot to do with the feet, but a lot of times because the feet pronate, the knees cave in, the glute mead turns off. So teaching that for corrective purposes, I see tons of value in that also. So if you want to build a butt, you also want to deal, if you've got somebody who has got knees caving in or feet pronating, training them in a sumo and teaching them to open their knees out is a great, great movement for corrective reasons too. And it's like a different exercise, like Sal's saying, it's more hip, less back, and then your conventional is the opposite. Yeah, you know, did you guys ever pull sumo for a long period of time? Is that ever? It took a while to start messing around with that. And then you start to figure out, like based on sort of your preference, what works best in for sumo for me actually, I would probably serve me better. Really? Yeah, to do sumo just because of the leverage in the way that my hips, yeah, I guess, I guess that, I don't know. Like, but yeah, like I've definitely messed around with clients to see, you know, which one that they preferred and which one they had better leverage with. That's how I first deadlifted. That's how I first learned how to deadlift with sumo. It's the first time I pulled three plates with sumo as a kid and then I switched to conventional. I just felt so much more natural. And I've pulled that way ever since. I mean, to me, that's the bad part about this and you pointed that out early on when we first heard this conversation is that I think people look at it like, oh, I do one or the other. I'm better at sumo, so I do sumo or I'm better at conventional. When really they're very different exercises that both belong in your routine.  It's the same way I look at squats too, like there's multiple versions of squats and they're all beneficial in different aspects of it. And so that's why I do try to squat with a narrow stance, with a wide stance, externally rotated. And even the loading of the squat, I change it up quite a bit. So this is just another way that you can acquire other types of benefits from a deadlift. Next question is from Jay Empke. What are some of your go-to recovery methods for when you've been over-training or over-reaching? We talk about that all the time, right? Yeah. How we still do that. Yeah. You know what I, we're the worst. You know, we're good at training people, but not ourselves at the time. Yeah, because you're always pushing it, right? Especially if you're performance-oriented. I'm having a lot of interesting results from using the red light, the Juve. I've been using that daily now. That's my recovery, or? Yeah, so you know what I did is, so I have the big panel and I built a shelf for it and put it up on the wall, mainly for Jessica, right? She had a C-section and it helps with wound healing and it also helps with skin, so for things like stretch marks and that kind of stuff. Now, she's got, I mean, her skin is incredible and maybe it's because she's been using the Juve the whole time and her genetics play a role, but now I have it up on the wall and what I do when I have time, and it's typically about four days a week, is I'll finish my workout and then I'll go stand in front of the red light and I'll spend about anywhere between 10 to 20 minutes in front of it. And I've been doing it long enough now to notice a bit of an interesting difference. I do notice that I recover faster and I can push harder in my workouts. It's probably been, I want to say about two months now of doing it relatively consistently and it's noticeable, it's noticeable. Well, it's interesting because I remember when we went to PaleoFacts the second time, like I talked to the CEOs from Juve and that was one of the big things they were trying to promote was the muscle recovery aspect of it and they did all these clinical studies with it that had proved that there was some value there with it. And I remember Mercola was going through the time and was very insistent that they prove these benefits and so they went through this long process with him and actually had great results come out of their studies. Well, I tested it myself. I mean, I don't know if you got, I think it was Mercola who I heard say this and I thought, oh, that's a cool way to test this because it's like, how do you know, right? How do you know for sure it was dad or maybe her Gen X or whatever? Like, so there's things like, well, I mean, this is how I tested it.  Juve one leg, keep the other one completely cut. Oh, it's so weird. Yeah, and then- So you did that? Yes. And what- And you could totally tell it to me. I could totally tell that.  In terms of like soreness and soreness? Yeah, like the next two days, the leg that wasn't- So weird. Yeah, I could feel it. To me, that was enough. Like, I was like, okay, I'm sold. So for the listeners, you can look it up. You can look up, actually Juve's website, joovv.com, and you can forward slash that mine pump.  And this red light's been studied for a long time. And essentially what it does is this wavelength of light promotes the production of ATP in the mitochondria of yourselves. This is very important for longevity. For, I mean, basically all of the functions of the body are fueled by the mitochondria and are fueled by the ATP production of the mitochondria. And so this boosts that. So essentially it's like turbo-charging this energy production. So this is why skin looks like it's younger, less wrinkles, hair regrowth happens, all proven again by studies, and recovery, pain, that kind of stuff. So it is very interesting. Now that we've got that covered, and that was just because I've found that interesting right now, the single best thing you can do for recovery, there's two things that by far will crush anything else that's out there. Yes, mobility-based recovery or active recovery.  And then the second one is, if you're really overreached, is sleep. Sleep is the best. There's nothing that'll beat that. Yeah, too. I think that a lot of times it's overlooked in our prime program, the fortification sessions, and I think, too, that the cool-down. So people experience lifters kind of know, they talk about the warm-up, they talk about the cool-down, and that sort of became a thing in the past. And we've sort of flipped the script on how you would warm-up and then prime instead for more effective methods for your workout. Same thing with the cool-down process, too. So to be able to get your body in that parasympathetic state and get there a bit sooner, going through that process of going through these poses and really trying to reinforce these mobility in your joints and everything else and allow your body to calm down is a vital process to then being able to recover going into the next workout. Next question is from Jin Alexandra. From training clients in advanced age, what did you learn about what long-term habits are essential for lifetime health? I really like this question because, at least for me, this is how this all started to come together. I talk about how, when I first started training, I'd scoff at clients that said they walk every day and be like, that's not exercise. But after you train enough older, healthy people, like you get clients, and I would get that. Obviously, we deal more with people that are obese and issues and so at that, but I also trained a lot of pretty damn healthy 65, 70-year-olds and you start to piece together some common things, the behaviors that they do. The first one that comes to mind, and that's why I talk about the walking thing so much, was that it was almost every advanced age client that I train had some sort of a daily practice that was not like crazy strenuous, that it wasn't like a hardcore workout. It was like, I walk three miles every day They're just active. They just, I've started that when I was 20 and I never stopped and they do it every single day or they had little things like parking further away and when they go grocery shopping or they love to garden and they know that they're moving and staying active and so they had just built these habits into their life that kept them in good shape. Now, they weren't in muscular shape, they didn't have a bunch, they weren't super strong on the gym. That was why they were hiring me. They were aware enough to know that. But what I noticed is like, if you looked at them and compared them to the average person that was 65 or 70 years old, they looked incredible and it was from their good habits that they had created and that was one of the biggest ones that stood out to me. I observed exactly the same thing, daily activity, whether it's riding their bike every day or walking every day, swimming every day. It was some type of activity that they did every single day and it was a leisure activity.  And I don't know, how long have you been doing this? Oh, I don't know, 30 years, something like that. So daily activity, that was one. Here's the second one that I noticed is that they all didn't overeat. It's a very general one, right? So the diets can be very different. Good relationship with food. Yeah, they just didn't overeat.  And I would notice that when I'd look at their plate, it was appropriate. They just wouldn't fill it up with tons of food. I remember one time I went to a restaurant with there were these two women that I trained, both of them in their 70s. They were both really good friends. I trained them separately but they were all, they were both my clients and they knew each other. And we went to lunch and we would go to lunch here and there. So maybe 10 times I went to lunch with them. And each time what they would do is they would order a plate and split it. And it was appropriate amount of food, by the way. Most restaurants in America, one plate is actually enough for two people. And so they would get a burger and then they'd cut it in half or they'd get this big salad and they'd ask for two plates and they'd cut it in half. They were just appropriate levels of food. They just didn't overeat. That was the biggest thing I saw in common. Yeah, I think and definitely I saw what you guys saw but also too like there's a social element there that I noticed that they would still interact whether it was family or it was friends, it was some kind of community that they were a part of. And along with that, which I thought a few of my clients that were in advanced age that I felt like were thriving the most would challenge themselves every so often, every few months, they would pick up a new hobby. They would do something where they would like learn how to paint landscapes or ballroom dancing or something that's like going to challenge them mentally or physically in some way that just helps keep them stimulated and excited to kind of learn something new. No, that's really good. Now that I think about it, all of them belonged to groups, the widows that I trained who were in their late 70s and 80s. They did things like they would play bridge. They'd have these bridge groups. One woman, her husband passed away. So she would be on these dating apps and call it dates with men and she had a very social life and the studies actually support that. It's a very, very important part of longevity. Next question is from Grant Lee. How would you recommend starting a career as a trainer right now with the COVID situation? Maybe, maybe the single hardest thing to do right now. I got it. Maybe. It's got to be up there. It's so weird. If COVID wasn't happening right now, my recommendation would have been go to a big box gym, get certified, learn the ropes, learn how to sell training, learn how to sell yourself, build up clientele, prove to yourself that you can become successful, be the top trainer there. Then if you want to do better, then you can go into a private studio and do that kind of stuff. But gyms are closed and the ones that are open are limited. A lot of towns and cities are saying things like you can be open, but only 25% capacity. So that is out the window right now. If I were to start as a trainer now, that wouldn't even be an option. What I would probably do is I would build some kind of a online authority, social media following, and then I would try to train people one-on-one outdoors in person. And I would meet up. Hey, meet me at the park. I'm going to take you through a workout or I'm training three people at a time. We're going to go hiking and do some resistance training outside. I think the demand for health and fitness is just this high, if not higher than it was before. Here's the thing about personal training. Yeah. People who tend to hire personal trainers tend to be in higher income brackets. People in the higher income brackets right now are more protected from the economic downturn than people in lower income brackets. So personal trainers, if you position yourself properly, there's probably a lot of people out there that still want to hire a trainer. You just have to do it outside of a gym. Yeah, it's just more difficult to just stumble across them. And so you really have to do a lot of work at how do I market myself and promote myself to attract that type of a client? And maybe it's an in-home situation where their backyard or something you can utilize. That's something that... I mean, I was able to structure my whole business around that. So that's a potential option now, which I think a lot of smart trainers have pivoted and made their business mobile so they could go travel and then account for the costs of travel and all those things to bring into it. But if you're a brand new trainer, getting time under your belt, it's really difficult right now. And I've seen some tech companies and I know one of them was like Fusionetics. I think I just saw I was looking for to hire online coaches just solely. So they have the platform and they're trying to pull in trainers to just help kind of coach them through these portals that they have provided for them. So I think there's like... There may be ways to at least get introduced to people online and then kind of spawn off and create what you're talking about with a social media presence to get more people. But it's going to be difficult. Like you got to get creative. Well, this is a good conversation because Andrew and I were just having this conversation maybe three, four days ago. Andrew's behind the cameras but is an aspiring trainer. And that was one of the things that he was vocalizing to me recently. He's just out of my love everything I do here. But I also really, really want to move into training clients. I mean, that's what his degrees in. He's been around physical therapy. He's been listening. He knows all the information that we've been presenting for a long time. And so we talked a lot about this. And one of the things that I was explaining to him that is going to be one of the hardest things to do right now. And it is one of the most important things for you having a consistent business is lead generation. You know, the old school method or what we would recommend to most times to people is what Sal said, which is go go to a big box gym. The reason why a big box gym is great is because... It's filled with people working out. Yeah, it leads.  That's 1,500 to 3,000 opportunities that you have as a trainer to potentially get them as a client. That doesn't exist right now. So how are you getting just people in front of you or listening to you or paying attention to you? Now, depending on what medium speaks best to you or what you use the best. So whether that be writing like blogging or you're good on camera. So YouTube or maybe you're great at writing Instagram post or maybe you have quick short facts or stuff that would go good on Twitter. Whatever the medium that I think that you do the best on, you want to double and triple down on that on adding value. So you can just start to gather your audience or gather your potential leads. So that would be my first piece of advice and then flip the script on like this being such a struggle right now. Like it makes it difficult for you to get out and meet people. But this is where I would be doing my studying and learning. It's like, okay, I don't get a lot of time to be out with people and seeing people. I guess this is a great time for me to further my education. So I'm going to be trying to learn as much as I can during this time when we're not out socializing and being around people. And then I'm going to share that information that I'm learning on the whatever platforms I do best on. And that is and I'm just and what I'm not trying to do is sell people yet. I'm not trying to convert you into a client. I'm not trying to sell you on personal training. I'm just trying to provide information for free to add value to the people that potentially are paying attention to me and begin to build your network. Don't think about the dollar amount. Don't think about training the clients right now. Just think about generating leads and your litmus test on if you're doing a good job of that is are you adding people? Do you write a blog and does it get shared? Do you write a post on Instagram and do people comment on it or do people DM you about it? And if you're not getting people to comment on something that you're providing for free then you need to up your game. You need to get better at it. Well, that means you further your education or redraft whatever it is that you're putting out there. My main focus right now would be educate myself and then use one of these social media platforms to add value to others lives to start to build a network of people. Excellent. Look, Mind Pump is recorded on video as well as audio. Come check us out on YouTube. Mind Pump podcast. You can also find all of us on social media, Instagram and now also on Parler. You can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin, me at Mind Pump Sal, Adam at Mind Pump Adam and Doug at Mind Pump Doug.   Here's the thing and I like that question. That's actually a really good question because you definitely need wins in the gym but you need small wins in the gym. You don't need to dominate in the gym. I don't want to go in there with the training part.