Hello everyone, I am here with Jen Perlman running against Debbie Wasserman Schultz in Florida's 23rd Congressional District She is back on the podcast for a third time to talk about a lot of really interesting developments. That's happening in her race Jen welcome back to the program. Hi Mike. Thank you so much for having me back on It's always a pleasure before we get to your campaign You're currently in the state of Florida and on Sunday We saw a record number of COVID-19 cases with more than 15,000. So what do you think is going wrong? Leadership or lack thereof. I mean we have a governor, you know, I don't know if you're familiar with Ron DeSantis, but Essentially, he's a mini Trump and in fact I think a large part of why he was put in as the governor of Florida was to deliver Florida to Trump in the election And so that's what he's working to do So whether it's forcing people to go back to work, which remember Florida is a right to work state So there's very little regard for labor in in our state And that is one of the biggest pushes I think in terms of getting people to go back is they just don't care one way or the other and to say that are We're having some thriving open economy. And in fact, it's that's delusional So we never properly shut down in the first place. So let me be clear about that Even when we shut down it wasn't it wasn't a real shutdown. It was never really enforced here It was never really taken seriously here And so to say that we've opened up is somewhat misleading because we never properly shut down So this has been mismanaged from beginning to end They certainly were not working on building up our resources and infrastructure in terms of hospital beds and ventilators During the shutdown, which was the point to flatten the curve to make us be able to handle the incoming Cases so this has been mismanaged from start to finish and we see a push from the Trump administration Betsy DeVos education's education secretary Basically threatening to withhold funding from schools if they don't reopen and at a time where Florida is surpassing other countries in terms of new cases Daily Ron DeSantis is also echoing the same sentiment from Trump's administration. He's pushing people to reopen So, I mean as a Floridian someone with children What's the sentiment that we get from people is there's got to be mass terror about sending children to school in this? It's a combination of the health fear factor of sending our kids to school And then the fact that people are still coping with that they're not getting their unemployment benefits their kids Whether they're going back to a physical school or going back to online school These people cannot be home and taking care of their kids And they're not getting any sort of help or recourse or social sick We know we have no social safety net so all these working parents They're they're damned if they do and damned if they don't so on the one hand There's people that are essentially going to be forced to send their kids back to school Because they have nothing else that they can do with their kids So it it hurts the parents in so many different ways It's not just a matter of that it's unhealthy for the kids, which it is it's not safe but it just is putting parents in this horrible position of Having to decide between their their job and their kids health and all these it's it's a disaster Yet the way that we responded to this collectively as a country. I mean, I can't even describe it It's it's honestly shocking like the response is comparable to what we'd expect from a failed state And you know, you have some governors doing an adequate job But I mean overall we're only as strong as our weakest link So if we have one single governor that's not doing a great job that endangers everyone else in the country So really it's frustrating So I want to kind of move into this discussion about your opponent Debbie Wasserman Schultz because in a position of power You'd be able to really make a difference. What do you think she's done right or wrong with regard to COVID-19? Like how would you grade her? I Don't I'm not gonna give her like an official rating, but I can tell you what she's been doing So all I have heard or seen from her is essentially just talking that it's Trump and DeSantis Trump and DeSantis They're doing everything wrong. It's Trump and DeSantis I haven't seen her proposing anything. I haven't seen her speaking out on behalf of our small businesses that are suffering I haven't seen her speaking out on behalf of the millions of unemployed people and the amount of them in our state that are just so Inadequately being able to they can't even get the resources that they are entitled to because our system is so woefully Insufficient and while I recognize those are functions of our state Government I haven't heard her saying anything about it now What she has done is she has had several forums during the COVID one was on childhood drowning One was on childhood internet predators and one was on scam artists So she's essentially been holding forums for people whose basic needs are already met Because if you're in a position where you're worried about your child on the internet That assumes you have a computer for your child to use if you're worried about your kid having drowning It's you're stuck at home with your pool So she's speaking to a very small group of people as they go through this pandemic But as to the bulk amount of working people I haven't heard her say anything And that's really disappointing. I mean this isn't necessarily surprising like anyone especially people on my podcast who knows about Debbie Wasserman Schultz like we've followed her on this show for years and There's so many things that are wrong with Debbie Wasserman Schultz I think she's probably one of the worst Democrats the most, you know special interests backed most conservative But for all of her flaws for all of the criticisms that the left rightfully has of Debbie Wasserman Schultz You know, she is taking her hubris to the next level. She's running for a leadership position Talk through this because Yeah, when I saw this I was absolutely just like shocked like I laughed. It's like how How do you have the gall to do this? Like what is she running for? She is running to be chair of Appropriations Committee, which um, you know and even forget the Forget the appearances of impropriety and all of that stuff If you just even put that aside and you just look at how she managed the DNC from a perspective of their finances And the amount of seats they lost in the country. So I'm talking just Management not even the other stuff She was it was a total failure, you know I mean they lost more than a thousand seats when she was head of the DNC They they ran themselves into the ground financially. So why would we want that person in charge of the money? Yeah, and I mean that's that's the thing It's like if you've already proven to be a failure in a position of leadership that actually has influence over democracy You shouldn't ever run for leadership again. I mean she should be lucky that she's still in Congress So it's shocking to me that she chose to run I mean, I'm sure that the predatory payday lender industry is just ecstatic about the fact that she's running for leadership But it's just it's honestly shocking now another aspect about Debbie Wasserman Schultz is Basically, what I see and you can correct me if I'm wrong is that she's kind of pretending like you don't exist You're not really there. Although She did purchase some web domains with your name Talk through this. You're the one who actually broke this story. This is insane to me Okay, so I wish you could almost demonstrate it as I'm telling you but so we only inadvertently found out about this but if you go to gen pearlman com Or gen pearlman for congress.com. They link directly to her congressional web page not a campaign page She didn't just squat on the domains because to be honest with you, you know, we're rookies So we didn't buy up all the names and so this is the kind of thing that happens I get it but it's the fact that they go to her congressional web page like her official page is my congressperson And I am still a constituent and it's just I am sure it's just this side of legal I'm sure it is and if it isn't I'm sure her hands are clean because the company is in panama that bought the domain I'm sure you're surprised to hear it's panamanian And so I'm sure she's clean, but it is so unethical To me. It's just so incredibly unethical. So yeah, it's funny.  Why not actually be brave and debate you Um, I think that the people in, you know, florida's 23rd congressional district They deserve to see their options. But I mean, of course, this is what we see I mean, it's not necessarily shocking incumbent democrats They like to pretend as if their opponents don't exist Even if they're facing pretty serious primary challenges And this isn't the only race So, I mean, it's kind of just par for the course But that doesn't necessarily mean that we should accept it. It just it's frustrating to see the things that are being done You know firsthand, so I don't have to explain it to you Talk through a little bit about What's been going on with regard to the campaign and covet 19 because I don't think we talked since the pandemic really Got as serious as it has been and you know in a state like florida, which is really dealing with this More so than other states How has that affected campaigning because you're a grassroots candidate and you know knocking on doors This is kind of like the lifeblood of what you do and what you know activists like you do How have you been able to adapt? I mean, I'm sure that there's been some Growing pains, but I mean what's it been like to campaign in the covet era? Yeah, so there's no campaigning during a pandemic 101 type of book that has been able to sort of help a lot of these grassroots campaigns and yeah, you're right I mean grassroots campaigns We are based on canvassing and door to door and you know, that's what we're about And we were shut down for about a month and a half where we really didn't do any canvassing at all We have an incredibly great social media Presence we have been doing our emails phone banking text banking We're working on getting a mailer out this week So, you know, we're doing as best we can but a lot of those things, especially mailers are really expensive And that's something of course debbie is going to be able to be blanketing the district and she's sitting on over a million dollars Just from this cycle all corporate And so, you know, we we're hand to mouth and so it's not as easy for us But I think and we have reinitiated Socially distant canvassing. So we do have canvassers a lot of places that have vulnerable communities are just getting door hangers There's doing lit drops And then we are having canvassers that are out there with masks and gloves. We do give out sanitizers They knock on doors. They step back six feet And you know, generally just do the best they can and we're at least being able to put up yard signs We're putting up some I mean, you know, we're we're making the best of it, but you know, it's not ideal Yeah, and I will say that, you know, I'm really impressed with The way that campaigns grassroots campaigns have adapted because you know The disadvantage that you have is that you don't take corporate money But the advantage that you have is that you have this, you know grassroots enthusiasm So for that to kind of be taken away from you in a way It's really it's devastating But I think that a lot of campaigns have been able to adapt and we're still seeing progressive success in spite of that So I really am encouraged to see that What I want to ask you about is um, COVID-19 relief I'm assuming that this is going to be a thing until 2021 So Let's say you're able to beat Debbie Wasserman Schultz and you make it into congress What would you be pushing for in terms of relief? economically speaking and What would you think would be the solutions that we implement to actually stop the spread of the virus itself? This has been like I said mishandled from start to finish But I mean, you know, I was obviously much more in the thinking of payroll guarantees than unemployment I obviously would have liked to see us even if it was something like you guarantee 80 percent or whatever it was that they were able to do Was that Canada or the UK? I mean, I know that other countries are handling this infinitely better than we are But yeah, I mean, we're doing it purposefully to squash labor I have no doubt about that and the money is then being further funneled to the top 1 percent We have seen the top corporate people earning billions and billions during this pandemic as almost like It's they're they're price gouging almost it's they're really benefiting their spoils of Of something horrible and it's it's really grotesque and we're seeing it in lifetime But this needed to be everything shut down Hard shut down and dealt with and we needed to compensate people whether it was through paycheck guarantees or universal basic income That needed to happen immediately A $1,200 one-time payment is a joke. We gave what a three trillion dollar slush fund to Steve Mnuchin is our like I don't even understand how people can sit in a meeting where that's brought up and not start laughing Like I don't understand how that ever made it to a table like this is this is outrageous So I would have taken that three trillion and stuck it at the bottom and let it funnel its way to the top Yeah, you know people need that money people need that money people need a ubi right now more than ever Rich people are making off like bandits whereas, you know the poor They don't know what to do. I mean it was just the other day where CNBC released a headline That says 32 of households overall missed their july housing payment The way that we've responded to this as a country, you know, like you said It's been laughable in comparison with other countries. We've done the least for citizens. I mean, I didn't get my You know $1,200 payment into like mid-may Um, a lot of people I know still haven't received it in Oregon I'm sure it's the same where you are and a lot of people who you know, they own these small businesses They don't necessarily know how to access the funds, you know the small loans that were given to them And now we see that Nancy Pelosi's husband, you know Kanye West's business They're getting, you know, these loans that are supposed to be guaranteed for small businesses So I mean the response from our government has been laughable So to have someone like you in there to at least be one more voice would have made a tremendous difference because I mean, it really isn't that difficult I think that there wouldn't have been as much of a pushback to the shutdown If we responded adequately to people's economic suffering because I don't necessarily like I know that It was easy to kind of like poke fun at the people who were doing these protests of hey I need a haircut and that's foolish But like people who were against the shutdown I think there was a huge economic component to this and they were really suffering and they didn't know how they were Going to put food on the table Um, and it's just it's tragic to see, you know, and this isn't going to get better anytime soon And the virus is going to be with us for the foreseeable future So it's it's really grim and the one thing that I see is the silver lining is that this is kind of radicalizing people And it is leading to more progressive victories like Cara Eastman in Nebraska You know Jamal Bowman and Mondair Jones in New York and maybe Jen Perlman in Florida's 23rd congressional district against Debbie Wasserman Schultz I wanted to ask you another question About what's been happening and we're seeing the black lives matter protests take place across the country We're seeing calls to defund the police. If you were elected to congress, what do you think would be the solution that you'd push for? The first thing that is the most underlying problem with criminal justice reform And I'm talking from policing all the way to post probation is that we have a profit motive in our corrections Institutions So when you have a profit motive in something that ought not be for profit It's going to affect it from start to finish and we see that we have for profit policing and we have for profit corrections So first and foremost, we need to abolish any sort of profit motive from being in the criminal justice arena That shouldn't even be there. This is like we're the only country that has this So that is the first step. I personally support the campaign zero policing reforms Um, which to me break it down in the most easy, you know, pretty little diagram ever But we are dealing with a system that is essentially rotten. It is a white supremacist system So even though there are decent officers and there are decent officers. I know some They are still working within a system where their hands to be decent or tied behind their backs Because the system doesn't allow for there to really be decent officers Those officers end up getting fired if you're going to blow the whistle on somebody So we need to eradicate the power of the the unions in this capacity And the way to do that is to elect people that aren't on their payrolls So coincidentally, my opponent is the second highest democratic recipient of police pack money in the house next to steny hoyer and yet she will stand up at a black lives matter event and talk about You know police reform. I I don't understand how anybody can take that seriously So, I mean this to me is really the same concept of cronyism that infects every aspect of of our whole civilization at this point But we need to completely revamp how we police I don't need police Patrolling our citizens. I need them solving actual existent crimes that have occurred We have open cases backlog cases untested rape kits There is no shortage of the need for actual law enforcement What we don't need are patrols in our streets patrolling our every move in our behavior and especially in vulnerable communities That's not what we need. We need people that do mental health counseling social services Addiction counselors crisis counselors. Those are the people that need to be addressing most of these issues And then there are issues where we do need law enforcement. I mean if there's somebody that's killing people Yeah, I want that person to be taken into custody and kept incarcerated So there is a place for law enforcement We just don't need them to be patrolling us And I think that so when I my problem with when they say defund the police is I support it. I support everything that that mission stands for but I knew as soon as they said that That you are going to scare off So many people that would otherwise be supportive of this mission just by the terminology you're using So I think when you say defund the police, it scares people I think we have to demilitarize the police. I think we need to reallocate funding. So what I tell people It's kind of funny is we're not talking about making them go away We're just talking about treating them like public education has been treated, you know defunding them So they're still there. We're just not necessarily putting them at the top of the money food chain Um, but no, and I do think there's a myriad of unsolved cases. I mean, it's some crimes are less than a 20% close rate So I have no problem with allocating resources to those types of law enforcement activities Um, but them dressed up in riot gear These guys if all you have is a hammer all you see are nails These guys are going into this armed for combat. And so that's what they're going to do that needs to all go away I wanted to ask you because Debbie Wasserman Schultz She does not support Medicare for all. She's been very vocally against Medicare for all However, you know, we are seeing a lot of people lose their jobs and thus lose their employer-based health insurance We're living through a pandemic. Florida is one of the worst states Has Debbie Wasserman Schultz at all changed her position on Medicare for all even a little bit? No, not at all in fact, um She refused twice To even meet with the members of our progressive caucus that we're trying to talk to her about Medicare for all She had her toady, of course meet with them at one point, but really didn't give them the time of day She has zero Zero intention or interest in single-payer health care zero She takes money from big pharma and she takes money from the private health industry This isn't this isn't rocket science. What's infuriating about it really Is that she never misses an opportunity to drop her breast cancer survivor card on the table and and really played this sort of Like how hard it was for her and she survived breast cancer and I and i'm not negating that It's just infuriating to me that she doesn't think we're all deserving of that same health care that she got And so if you're going to really be out there as a breast cancer survivor And expecting any amount of real like camaraderie or support in that in that arena You need to maybe think about people that have breast cancer and have no health care And before this pandemic hit back in 2019 when everyone was making this argument I shouldn't say everyone but you know the corporate democrats running in the presidential primary Were saying that people love their employer-based health insurance They never responded to the fact that 68 000 americans per year were dying according to a princeton study Because they didn't have health care and that was a relatively conservative estimate But now it's got to be worse. We don't know what the numbers are But we can only anticipate that the number of people dying because they don't have health insurance Is going to increase the number of people who are uninsured is going to increase So I think that you know medicare for all to not support it was indefensible in 2019 But in 2020 i've been arguing that if you don't support it now You're just insane even like putting corruption aside because we do know that there's conflicts of interest There's donors, you know interests who are influencing debbie wasterman schultz But even in spite of that corruption if you don't support it then that's just inhumane at this point You lack human empathy and to talk about you know being a breast cancer survivor That's that's great.  You know possibility to other people because maybe they can't even you know get checked You know to see if they have a cancer of some sort There's no type of preventative health care for people who don't have health care So it's deeply frustrating and you know if you were elected You would be another cosponsor to the medicare for all act What are people saying in your district as you've been campaigning? I know you haven't probably been able to have much You know a person-to-person conversations maybe over the phone But what's the response that people when they hear that you support medicare for all? It's like everywhere else in the country. What 72% I'd say that our area pretty much mirrors I get I would say it's pretty close to mirroring whatever the national that percentage So most people when they are presented with it In a normal manner and not in a way where do you want to lose your insurance? You're gonna lose your insurance, you know when when you when you present it to people as a fact-based scenario Uh, you've got like I would say close to three quarters I would say close to three quarters of people Support medicare for all and yet our employee Our employee does not see fit to give us what we want Even though She gets that health care So we pay for it for her to have it, but she doesn't think we can have it How people do not feel inspired to pick up pitchforks at this point. I don't understand I won't even debate medicare for all anymore with anybody. I just won't I'm not That is now in the ways with flat earthers or creationists or It's with the people that don't even warrant a response anymore. I am so done with it. It's just it's ridiculous at this point I'm really glad you said that because I totally agree Like we're beyond the point of selling and debating medicare for all We know it's the best option. Uh medical experts have endorsed medicare for all, uh, you know I just shared an article to joe biden on twitter from physicians for a national health program Now it's just a matter of give it to us. We want it and especially now during a pandemic I think that our arguments make sense to where it's not even an argument It's just common sense now. It's just a matter of one will congress and you know Governing government in the united states actually give the people what we need and want So yeah, I'm glad that you said that because it really is it takes a level of delusion That is comparable to that of flat earthers and other conspiracy theorists to think that medicare for all isn't the option I mean, you're either lying to yourself or lying to everyone else It's a distinction without a difference at this point, but either way It's not acceptable and anyone who doesn't support medicare for all they've got to go. They're just okay with people dying Like that's basically what it comes down to you're okay with people dying If they don't have health care and that's completely unacceptable Especially if you are from the democratic party and you claim to have the moral high ground as debbie waserman schultz does Which is a joke, but I mean nonetheless. She still claims it. Uh, so I mean anyone who's watching this They are convinced like we're all rooting for you on this program So what can we do especially now to make sure that you know, your election is a success and one does that primary take place? So our primary is august 18th But the most important factor is that because we live in closed primaries Everybody has to be registered as a democrat by july 20th, which is obviously coming up. You can do that through our website We have the link. You can also request a vote by mail. That's at gen 2020.com So we are encouraging people to request their mail-in ballot just I Have every reason to believe that they are going to play games and there's going to be nonsense And they're going to close polling locations and they're going to infrant disenfranchise voters I and even if it weren't intentional and even if it's just based on covet even if it's just You know, it's not always nefarious. Sometimes it's incompetence. It could be both I don't know but I know that we need to be prepared for it and the way to do that is to request a mail-in So I want everybody to request your mail-in ballot. You make sure you're registered as a democrat Follow us on social media. I'm at gen f l 23 on twitter and instagram We're at gen 2020 on facebook and if anybody wants to we still need money We are fighting a corporate monolith. We need volunteers for phone banking, which can all be done in our website And you know anybody who lives in our district if you will host a yard sign Send me an email gen at gen 2020.com. If you live in Our district, please go on to debbie wasserman schulte's Page and leave a comment as to that you don't like my name being appropriated and directed to her congressional page Only constituents can even leave a comment for her So you can't even email her if you want to just can't you have to live in our district So, uh, yeah, these are the kinds of things that we need we need people to sort of, you know, recognize that This is the nonsense and the shenanigans like as if she wasn't already advantaged being the incumbent.  So, um, Jen, we're rooting for you Hopefully the next time that I talk to you you will be a member of congress Wouldn't that be weird? It would be so weird You know, we went into this knowing where the look we know where the long shot We know that it's an uphill battle like we're not delusional people Um, but I do feel like if we had a really fair system and you and I both know that That's just not the way that this really works whether it's being ghosted by the media Or the polling places in my most popular communities. Oh, well, those will be the ones that are closed I mean, we know how this goes and I do really feel that if this were a fair fight that it would be a no-brainer I do I feel that if she and I stood on a debate stage and actually people had to watch it and everybody saw it I think it would be a done deal.  What's going to be done because I mean like I agree with you if this were a fair fight I don't even think it'd be a con like you would win by a landslide But it's not so, you know, you have to like all the votes that you'd lose because of voter suppression You have to like find more votes, you know to make up for that and it's frustrating But it's the reality We just have to keep, you know chipping away at it and make sure that people like you get elected So we can actually change the system and just make it more democratic aside from the policy elements. I mean just Emboldening or enhancing I should say democracy in and of itself would make a huge difference So Jen, thank you for fighting. Thank you for running. Um, we're all rooting for you Thank you. Thank you so much


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Welcome to HBCU Digest. Digest After Dark. I am your hostess Tiffany. It's been a while. Happy new year. We have a light cast tonight. This will be a fairly short, shorter than usual podcast that will be led, honestly, by Ores because we're talking about sports.  So Ores will take over, but we have Laurel the Aggies, Midnight Winston, and Ores, Eric is off the show. Katie is busy tonight. Eric is off the show because of good things, employment things, so like he about to hear. But yeah, so Ores, you can lay the foundation and we'll go from there. All right, cool. So obviously we're all here because of Primetime, Deion Sanders, Coach Prime, whatever you want to call him. But yeah, like, I don't know. I kind of want to go live. I want to hear what Ores, everyone else has to say because I don't know, like, I want to hear what Laurel has to say about Deion. Like, what do you think? So we talked about this as a show two years ago when he got hired. And we all had our thoughts, feelings and opinions about how things were going to go. And now two years later, he's had this kind of acrimonious exit. And what do you think two years later, Laurel? Well, like I said before we started that you were born before 1997. You should not be surprised by anything. To quote his 1994 non-chopping, non-charting single, must be the money. It must, it is. I don't know, I agree with what more informed people take has been on this and that, like they don't think that he's a sellout for leaving. They understand it, especially if you're thinking in a football context. But I do think that he did sell Jackson State, Jackson, Mississippi, alumni, et cetera. I think he sold him a dream. Invoking God probably wasn't the best choice. We will probably see in the future about that. But yeah, I just think, you know, the real losers in all of this are the students, the rest of the students, the players that he's not taking with him, the future of the program, the future for the school. So I think it's less so on what Dionne's gonna do. It's more so like, what is everybody else gonna do? And where are we, the general public gonna do? Are we gonna abandon Jackson State now that he's gone? And now that he's at Boulder or was it just always fake from jump? And we were only in it for Dionne. I wasn't sure, but. So to that point, kind of roll over to Winston, because I know obviously Winston has an extensive history around the game of football, especially the high school, kind of high school to college transition area of football. I know the state of Michigan has number three quarterback in the nation right now is going out to Oregon, who will be playing against Dionne probably next year from Tiffany's former high school, King. I like it. I love the history lesson. But just to kind of set Winston up, talk about from a football, what do you think from a football perspective in terms of recruiting, in terms of Pac-12 recruiting and how they intersect with what's going on currently right now where you have a lot of people even from your city of Detroit going to Pac-12 schools. Yeah, so shout out to Adar, who's a Menagoff alum who is Dante's sister. So there's direct connect there in general in that space. I think this move is probably hinged greatly on the conference that he's going to, because as we know from a sports perspective, USC and UCLA will be leaving the Pac-12. So that leaves space for someone to be the flagship or standout institution in that space. So from Colorado's perspective, it makes a lot of sense for them to bring in somebody who already has a name and publicity and proven track record in that space to be like, hey, this is a perfect opportunity for us to try to transition into the space of standing out in this conference. There's going to be a whole left, a large whole of the LA market to be able to say that we can fill and maybe the team that's the face of the Pac-12 in that space. Coach Prime's already offered to Detroiters to come out to Colorado since he's been there. Two high level Detroiters who had some coaching changes at University of Cincinnati, where there's still a vacancy that's there. So he quickly swooped in and recruited those two students. So I think the- That was all? That was all? Yeah. So, you know, yeah, and great history. Cincinnati has since recruiting Detroit. So again, finding those holes and trying to plug those in, he's already had contact with over 200 recruits since being named the head coach of Colorado. Maybe some before he was named the head coach of Colorado, I don't know. I guess that remains to be seen.  I think it makes sense from a professional standpoint for him to, you know, people question whether or not Colorado was the best move, but I think what they're looking at and what he probably was looking at is the opportunity there. Like I said, with the LA market leaving the Pac-12, somebody can stand up and be the dog. And if you think you have the resources, the power, the influence to be able to be that flagship institution in the Pac-12 Conference, then maybe you would take a job like that instead of taking somewhere else where you might have to do more climbing in order to put yourself in that position professionally and put the school that you're at in position to be successful. So, you know, by all accounts, everybody's ready to roll with Coach Prime, including unfortunately, maybe some of the students that were at Jackson State, that the ones he's gonna be taking with them in the Louis luggage. And then the ones who are not considered in the Louis luggage, who he said, maybe y'all might not wanna get in the portal because the grass might not be greener on the other side. The Samsonites.   So I think from a recruiting standpoint, ain't nothing, everything's rolling. Nothing is off track as far as that goes. Like I said, he's, if anything, he has more resources, more opportunities. He'll have more staff coaches and auxiliary staff at Colorado than he was able to have at Jackson State. So the market is, the word is out on the street and it's already moving. So it remains to be seen how that goes, but Detroit's on board, I know that. And you know, most other recruits that are high level and were already interested and even followed into Jackson, Mississippi, don't seem to have any problem following on the board of Colorado. Yeah. So I guess for me, from like an HBCU warfare, like my brother, I've said it before, you know, played at a D1 MEAC school. And I just feel bad for Jackson State fans because their administration has allowed Dion to manipulate things. Like, I've never heard, in my opinion, of a coach taking a new job before the bowl game and coming back to coach the bowl game. Like, I always thought, why don't you put the new hat on?  Like, we appreciate your time, come back when we honor the championship team in 20 years and went in the swag, you can come back and throw the J back on, but you're gone. He also, in my opinion, violated the NCAA rules by saying that Shador was your quarterback before he transferred. Like, he can't legally transfer to the semester's offer. So I think that for Jackson, for what Ashley Robinson, the AD has done, has given Dion a bit too much power. And that power may clip him at Colorado because they're gonna be looking for a reason to bring in the NCAA to say, oh, hold up. You just said, you just bait, like you are still, if you signed the contract for Colorado, that's cool. If Jackson State will allow you to coach, that's fine. But these students are NCAA athletes, they're not your students, they're NCAA athletes. They follow under those rules. So you are an adult, you can do what you wanna do, but they're amateurs. So you can't claim this student. He hasn't passed, protocol hasn't been accepted in the Colorado yet. Like, it's all these different things that have happened. Well, I do think that he is already in some hot water because there gonna be people who are gonna see him take the Travis Hunters and the more top recruit who are gonna say, oh, hold up now. Let's go ahead and put some eyes there.  Like, yes, he got the practice field fixed, but you know how much deferred maintenanceable costs to keep that practice field from flooding in the future? If they couldn't afford to make the drainage work in 2019, who gonna have that money in 2023? So we lost Winston, but I just feel like that's just my two cents. I think that there's gonna be some major issues. And I think that de-ond has played Jackson and their administration has allowed them to play them. Like when I saw how he rushed them off the field at the swag championship game to clearly catch a flight, it's like, come on, bruh. This your last, your son over here waving the flag, you talking to put the flag down and let's go. I heard it all the time. But it's on brand, it's absolutely on brand. It's nothing, again, it's always been the de-on chill, children and sons notwithstanding. I mean, what else do you expect from a Leo man? I know I said this about Wayne Frederick, what else do you expect from a Trini man? Now it's, what do you, what else do you expect from a Leo man? The Leos are Leoing. I mean, personally, I find the, I find, I don't think he's transparent, but I feel like the way in which he's been showboating has been very much out in the open. It's been very much in AKHD. I don't, none of this was secret, but I think we are now in a society where people just go for headlines. They don't, they just read whatever the top headline is. You know that, you know that. You know, and so they're not gonna, and they're also not gonna ask any questions. People only show up for the fire. They're not gonna ask, well, who lit the match? So I just think that, you know. I think people wanted to believe that he was like, since like, they really wanted to believe like, oh yeah. Don't use his terms. But I do, I think it's true. I think those people that were really hinging on to Laurel's point, like, well, maybe, you know, maybe he really wants to be here. Maybe he thinks God called him to JSU to, and for, you know, in defense of him. I don't know, maybe it was a two year bit. I don't know, maybe God said two, three years and then we're moving, I don't know. That's between him and Yahweh himself. I don't know, but it seems, it seems questionable. Not Yahweh, it seems questionable. The wind beneath Dion's wings was George Floyd because Shannon Shaw mistakenly said that, oh, well, Dion, you know, he brought all the focus on HBCUs. No, he didn't. They already had the focus prior to the protests in George Floyd and then that just pushed it along. And then his deal and situation was already happening at the same time. So really, and this is not to just, you know, put shadow over like what his network and connections brought to Jackson State, but let us not act like he didn't ride on a wave that started before he even started at Jackson. And that is what we- So let's pause there. Cause you have a good point, Laurel, because, and we all know obviously with George Floyd's murder, white guilt and white guilt came with money. And would y'all put the hiring of Dion Sanders in his now behavior in the same vein or line as the official Black Lives Matter Foundation and their scamming ways? I wouldn't do that. Like you relied on like people believing in white guilt and money and it being the perfect opportunity. But, but Dion- To get what you wanted? Dion had been campaigning for a head coaching job for like 10 years. No one would give him one. And he refused to be, but Monty Jones said it best. He wanted to be a head coach. He didn't want to be an assistant. Now, what benefited him- He didn't want to play the game. I don't mean to bring this up, but Jackson State had a power vacuum. Their former president got into some legal trouble. We won't mention what that legal trouble was. And the athletic director became the pseudo president. And that's who hired Dion was the 80 cause they had no president at the time. And even about HBCUs and George Floyd, let's not forget George Floyd grew up was born and raised in the CUNY Homes projects, which are literally facing Texas Southern University. And where a lot of the groundswell for George Floyd started was in Houston at Jack H. High School, all black high school in a Texas Southern University of HBCU. So did Dion ride the wave in a sense? But he was brought to Jackson State because of a power vacuum. Because no other HBCU president would have hired him. Let's also not forget that he had to go get a degree to get his Jackson State job at Talladega. So in Talladega's president and the former president, we're not gonna talk about the coalescing of things, but Dion is a very specific test case because he's not Eddie George at Tennessee State where Glenda Baskin Glover had a relationship with him. He was philanthropic towards the school and towards Nashville. She brought him in. She wanted to bring some stability to the program so forth and so on. No, Dion was hired before their current president. Their AD made those moves. So I think that there's, the Black Lives Matter Foundation are crooks. I'll say it. They bought those expensive houses and much else that they did with people's money to build safe spaces or whatever. I didn't know safe space. I didn't know Black communities were in Malibu, but they can do what they wanna do. The difference with Dion is that they didn't give that money to Jackson State University. That money went to Dion Sanders and he spent it as he saw fit. He spent that Affleck money on the field. He spent the money he got from Michael Strahan on suits for the students. They didn't buy suits for the business school. They didn't buy suits for the engineering school. This was all money that Dion got. He had access to that he directed. So quite frankly, I would say that Jackson State is in for a really rude awakening. I wouldn't be surprised if he had some sex issues in a couple of years. Not because of anything they've done wrong, but because they allowed him to move like he was a board. He's not the chairman of the board. He was appropriating funds like a board chair. And we just have to say it like there's been a dereliction of duty by the board of Jackson State, the presidential vacuuming by the AD, by Charles McClelland at the SWAC office and much other people who allowed this man to literally become the face and the power broker of HBCU football. He's on national television talking about Alabama State and getting the money to go to UCLA, which is the reason why Eddie Robinson Jr. wanted to smack him because he tried to embarrass him on television. But no one had gone to the details of this man. I'm gonna stop talking because it's so detailed. I don't know. I just don't think. I don't think he should. You can't stop talking. Winston, am I telling lies? No, I mean, you broke it down. I'm glad you brought it to the Tel Aviv part because it just goes into the siphoning of the sector for him to position himself to Laurel's point the way that prime does. I'm gonna ride this wave. I'm gonna get the degree because I don't wanna play the game to her point the way that it's normally played. So I know I gotta go get the degree. Who's gonna allow me the opportunity to do that? Oh, Talladega College who creates numerous avenues, including the first ones to really delve into people that are coming out of jail to be able to get the opportunity to go to college and educate themselves. So who's gonna allow me the platform to be able to do so? Our institutions, because that's what they do is they find those ways. Speaking of graduation. Speaking of all the things we need you to do in order to get that, you know, whatever. And now you can position yourself where you don't have to be an assistant, like Bhumani said, where you can just go straight in, go for hey guy to hey guy and not have to go the normal channels that most of us have to, which again to your point probably leads to Eddie's Robinson's frustration of all of this stuff that, you know, you get to do which he's been enabled to do in that space. And I'm saying this as somebody, Deion Sanders is the reason why I played football in the first place. Like that was why I wanted to play football it's because of Deion Sanders, but I can separate the man. Because you have to separate, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I can separate the man from the mission. That's okay. Laurel knows this growing up where we grew up. When I became like, when I became able to remember football, Deion was with the racial slurs playing at RFK stadium. Maybe they had just opened FedEx Field, but he was either RFK or just open at FedEx Field. And my family were big commander fans or as Bermuda called the commander fans.  Like it just, so I think the challenge is that there's all these different people have done things to enable him to go from offensive coordinator at a charter school in South Dallas to now being a Power Five, Pac-12, you know, state flagship head coach. He's done that in two years. He's went from being an offensive coordinator at a charter school in South Dallas. And if you've been to South Dallas, it's South Dallas. To now being at the University of Colorado in two years, like really from 2020, 2022. And it required the president at Jackson, the AD at Jackson. It required all the people from Pepsi to Afflex, all these people who have all done things for Deion Sanders to get him from sitting in his house, coaching high school football to now having, to now being the highest paid employee in the state of Colorado. It's really crazy when you think about it from being where he was to where he is now. Like at the time he was doing, he was doing a show with Jamie Dukes on bar stool. That was his job. Let's not mention the stool, please. I'm just saying, that's what he came. So the last thing I wanna say is that the reason why I'm also upset with asking Robert St. and Charles McCullough is that he came into Jackson State and said, I'm not gonna wear Nike. I refuse to wear Nike. Nike did me wrong. In the 90s, I'm an underarmor guy. I'm an underarmor guy, I'm an underarmor guy. He forced Jackson State to cancel their order. He twisted Kevin Plank's arm to get Jackson, all brand new underarmor uniforms, everything underarmor. He, his first, second. Get off the plane. At Colorado, he's drifting Nike. Why? Up the plane. Because Colorado has a evergreen contract with Nike. They're never leaving Nike. And he don't have enough for them. And the sad part is that he's done this and he forced Jackson to cancel a contract to hire him for the same company he's gonna be wearing for the rest of his life as long as he's in Colorado. Which will only be a year. But the real question in all of this, with all of the, you know, puppet string pulling because that's how this has been. The real question is how many will be coming to collect?  Don't nobody offer something without getting something in return. And not just Jackson State, but many others may feel they didn't get, you know, the ROI that they were sold. See, it's one thing you can, he can probably get away with scamming the students but he not gonna get away with scamming everybody else. And then when you mentioned, what's that other child name? The one of the ones he bring in along with his sons. Travis Hunter. And so like with Travis Hunter, I am more than sure that the powers that be in NCAA are still mad. And others who will not be named but, you know, other coaches in the college football world that are also, you know, grossly overpaid and have an axe to grind, they may have been quiet but they are watching all of this just like we are.  And they may not get it like by the time he really starts at Colorado but who's to say that something else may not come out or some other different puppet strings that are pulled by white hands will not catch him back. And that's, you know, I'm not saying that this will happen. I'm just saying it's yet something else that really won't be surprising when it does because I worked, I don't care. He may be Deion, but as we have seen from others, well, I'm not black, I'm okay, yeah. And you still got caught up eventually. It may not have happened. It may not happen in six months from now, but it happens. So I'm just wondering when is Deion gonna have his blank, blank moment and you can fill in those blanks. His reckoning. But Tiffany, let me ask you this, right? His reckoning. Is anybody use this? So all this money has supposedly come into Jackson State, right? So when we get into next fall and Jackson State looked at their balance sheet and they're like, we get this new practice field but where's the maintenance budget for that? We got this new weight room but where's the maintenance budget for that? We got this new, these new uniforms but we can't afford to store all these. Like when they start looking at their accounting and they're looking like, we got all this money last year. I know we didn't expect it anymore. I wanna know, I wanna see if Jackson State's board, president, 80 have enough gall to come out and say like Deion took money that was allocated for Jackson State and took it with him to Colorado because we know, I'm not gonna go out on limb and say that he did it for sure but if all this money is coming to Jackson State, it should be still at Jackson State. They should be able to invest that, get interest off of it, throw it into an endowed account and use that in the future. Yes, but even if that's not the case they should still be planning to use those facilities to generate some income or income revenue, whatever. Like we do not have time to be like, oh, dang, we a little short, ain't we? When you have real things that you can use to make money. Like if it's all new, if it's all new or any good, what'd you say? You can't make them out of a locker room? Hey, figure that out. A summer camp, mini camp, back to back, whatever you gotta do, figure it out. Because it's all new right now. Don't you, hey, they have a lot of people who freelance and do stuff. Like they can rent a locker, run a little exercise fitness, whatever it is, whatever. It requires a little creativity and it can be done. But I mean, when have we not made a dollar at a 15 cent? I'm just saying. But also keep in mind, he wasn't at Tech to Southern in Houston or at PV or even at Tennessee State. He was in Jackson, Mississippi. And what we know about Mississippi is that it is the poorest and it is the most black state. So I just don't have a lot of faith that there's a lot of opportunity there to make the money is gonna take to keep these facilities up. And quite frankly, we all know that AD is vying for another job, he ain't gonna be there much longer.  So I just see a very large power vacuum coming. And I think that Dion's arrival to the SWAC will lead towards what's happening in the MIAC now. Because right now people are riding high. People are writing checks, they can't cash. Everybody is on this big HBCU tip. But when this economy slows down in a couple months, it's already slowing, but when it slows down for real, for real, when that student debt starts hitting people again in June, it's gonna look real, real, real different. Oh, that's true. We're not thinking that it's a, I don't even play. I mean, looking directly at Laurel, A&T was riding high when it's celebration bowls. A&T was riding high in athletics. They ain't one of things since they left the MIAC. But we don't need to, because guess what? Aggies do. No, they don't. They don't, this one does not. But I think they, they left the MIAC, we're coming from a company, we're gonna win, we're gonna dominate the big south. They have not won in any sport since they left the MIAC. But we can't go back to the MIAC because the people left in the MIAC are still miserable. Even when we were still in the MIAC, nobody was going to them games. So what is the truth? No, MIAC is our life support, that ain't where you wanna be anyway. I'm just saying, it's like, and this is my overall irritation with all of this, regardless of what conference we're talking about, even ignoring Dion, because there's other stuff that already existed before he even glazed over there. People are just very unserious. These are the same, the same people complaining or the same people that only care about their school's team, if it even is their school, when it's homecoming. And so it's like, you don't show up to them conference games. I mean, I definitely, it's more evident, it's more evident when it's basketball season. It'd be me, five of the students and the rest are people that graduated in 1958. Like stop, stop it. Like somebody is lying. And so like, like I said, at this point, even if you can say, Dion got away with a bag of money, it's like, well, what are we gonna do? Not just in spite of him, but it's like, what are we gonna do with the rest? What are we gonna do with the left? Because whenever that gap does hit us, Mackenzie Bezos only got so much money she gonna give. We should have, I think for at least this point, there's only so much that we can do as alumni, as a populace is gonna take everybody else, including white people, is gonna take change of legislation because I think we're gonna get to the point where, again, we're still at a deficit. So no matter what we do and whatever Hail Marys happened from year to year, we can't predict, we can't account for that, for sure, those are not concrete. So it's like, what else can we do? I just need the blame game to stop. I'm tired of this, oh, well, y'all should, y'all alumni, y'all should give back. If y'all give back, then that's why, it's like, that's not how that works, hon. That's not how that works. And then for my HBCUs that are in these states, where I mean, we barely survived through the midterm, Georgia was looking real shaky, but even if they don't win those major elections, they're still at the K through 12 level.  So it's like, what are we going to do to counteract that? It's very, you know, we're in danger beyond just looking at numbers. So it's like, I think people have to move beyond the celebrity of any one person. Okay, cause I'm tired, I'm tired. Or even with A&T and saying, which is why I told you, or I don't really care about that, because like I said, my school was my school when we were losing. I told people, I only went to games for the band and a fried fish and I stand by that. Okay. Shout out to them being undefeated and oh, now they're in the big South and I don't care. I care about Aguilin. They didn't get informed. That's what it always was about. So on that, I'll say Jackson, Jackson will be fine. I feel for the students and the staff and everybody else is there, that does their work every day.  Not all these other- Countless hours. He's talking heads and talking necks online can say whatever they want. But the people that have to deal with it, the students, especially my students that they started off school online in a pandemic. Yeah. Like that's who this is about at the end of the day. So I don't really care, you know, what Dion does. I also care about his sons. They students too. What about them? What about what they want? Poor Shiloh. Poor Shiloh. Shiloh is, he loves Jackson State. He's living his best life in Jackson State. And I know he did, but like, again, what's more important is it, are they on the Dion show too? He got three kids at Jackson. He got Shiloh, me, his daughter on the basketball team. Will she make the team to Colorado? She won't want to stay. She won't want to stay at Jackson. He got Shiloh, me, Shiloh and Shador. And honestly, I feel bad for Shador because right now he's putting up good numbers, good stats. He's the man. He about to get rocks next year. They online is terrible. Terrible. He about to get rocked using USC recruiting class. Yeah. They play USC on the road. It's going to be bad. It's going to be bad. This is the inaugural season for Coach Primer. There's going to be a lot of patience talk. They play Oregon, Oregon State. USC and UCLA. And week one, they got TCU on the road in and out. God told me y'all need to be patient with me. God said, when I come to Boulder, y'all got to be patient with me. It's going to take time. No, God didn't say nothing. Jesus said, now, why am I in it? Why is my name always taking a bang out of it? Don't say the most thing. Why am I in my stride? Here, the one thing that he said that I always was like, yo, what are you talking about, man? He was talking about, you know, I did what I did. And God sent me here to resurrect this great program. And I'm sitting there like, one, Colorado ain't been great since like 92. That was 30 years ago. Coach Mack, he's the only one that has success in the world of Colorado. And Coach Mack had success because of racism. Because back then, because keep in mind, like Eric Bienami from New Orleans by way of California, Cordell Stewart from New Orleans, Rashad Alon. Detroit, New Orleans, and LA is where he built that program. And those, back then, programs in those areas didn't have Black quarterbacks. They didn't have many Black receivers in the SEC. And USC didn't take no Black people straight on. People don't forget. Remember, OJ, Transfer, Keeshawn Johnson, Transfer, Ronnie Locke, Transfer. They didn't take any of them because USC had very high academic standards at the time. All of them kids were transfers. Well, Colorado could eat, but it's a new day. You know, one thing I saw like the university's board just recently changed their academic standards to allow for a general studies course because Colorado couldn't hit the transfer portal because if you didn't have credits in a major, you couldn't transfer into Colorado. You would lose your eligibility because that school's academic standards didn't allow for general studies. But what they have now, general studies. Of course. So now, all of them basically lowered their academic standards to play football. And this has all been in play since early November when the talks started with Coach Prime in Colorado. They built this out. They passed the school in November, like you said. Yeah, no, it's been early November. It's been, the conversation's been going on since then. That's funny. Like, this is a R1 school already changing their standard. This school is older than the state of Colorado itself. Okay. Dang. Like, that's very, mm-mm. See, like I said, this is going to look real ugly. But see, this is overall, this whole story has the same theme, desperation. When you are desperate, you're desperate for any care.  You're going to get, you're going to go to the first snake oil salesman you see coming across that hill. It don't matter what he got in that damn bottle. He put glitter in it. He made it sound real good. He said it tastes like grape juice. Okay. And you're like, you know, at this point, I just need my arms to start hurting. So I'm just going to take it. And then it looks good. You see all the glitter and look all shiny. Your arm actually started hurting for a little bit. And then, oh, well, I gotta go. That's my last bottle. Okay, bye. And then now this bottle is, you know, next to the Pepsi logo. And this is you done for it. And now your arm hurt. Now it's falling off.   Whereas I just pull one thing or the other. It's the same thing you're saying. It's all snake oil. It's all, I just want to see, I'm just ready for next year when that team is oh, in, shit, going to UCLA on the road. And he ain't getting paid for that flight, talking about Alabama State.  Oh, he not getting that package that what's the name from the Sooners guy where they paid him double flu, moved his house, no, paid for his house, a million dollar house and flew his whole family out in him. Yes, those Sooners, they paid him all out. Raleigh money. He not getting fluid out. Shame. But I do wonder what do you guys think? Before we even get to this period, this time next year, what do you think like in terms of like other outside factors? And that's like, any other school, any other coaches, scandal stuff, not even just scandal, but just other things that could, you know, knock him off his square in terms of like, okay, in his mind, I'm sure he's thinking, well, yeah, I signed the ink is dry. I'm gonna be a bolder. It's a, it's a lot. I think, I think politics in higher ed custom is what will be his downfall. Cause even when he was in Jackson State, he started talking in and around things that had had nothing to do with football. But I think because he is Deion Sanders and he was your black man and he at Jackson's or was at Jackson State. We can't really say too much, but like you can't do that. You can't do that in Colorado. A, those are not your people. B, you're supposed to be winning on the field. Sorry, don't talk. It's like how they treat professional athletes. Like you get to talking, no, you're supposed to be dribbling that ball or running that, running that down the field. So like, I think that that's what is going to make things uncomfortable for him. I don't know if they would ever like pull his coat and be like, A, come my office, let's talk about this. But like, you cannot showboat in the way that he is accustomed to showboating when it's just us. You don't do that. They pulled his coat, Tiffany. You didn't see him at the press conference? He used to do press conferences in Jackson in a beanie, hoodie, hadn't shaved in two weeks, 10 gold chains. Look, the one thing that he's going to face there to answer Laurel's question, I don't think the NCAA moves slow. They take years.  So NCAA is not going to be a factor. Jackson, they need to be worried about the NCAA in about three, four years. But I think what was going to catch him and what could slip him up is the transfer portal because there are very strict rules about when you can contact players who are on another person's roster. So if I'm on scholarship at, let's say, the University of Michigan, I'm on fifth string cornerback. I'm behind that boy from Gross Point who looked real good. Will Johnson. Yeah, I'm behind Will Johnson, right? I know I'm not going to play. He a freshman. He been locking this side down. I ain't got no chance. Until my semester is over, I have notified my head coach. I've withdrawn myself from the university and entered the transfer portal. Only then can I be in contact with another coach or another program. If you contact me beforehand, I have violated the terms of my scholarship. And I think what's going to happen is that he's going to, so there are players on every coach's roster where the coach ain't going to play him, but he don't want to lose him. And he's going to pluck someone's current transfer portal player, and they're going to go back and see, and they're asking to play. Can you put them phone records for me? Oh, you talked to Dion Sanders on November 29th, the semester ended December 13th. Hold on now. And I think that's what's going to catch him is that he's so desperate to your point for players, because he knows that roster Colorado's garbage. I mean, it's booty. He's going to get embarrassed. He's trying to, next year, his goal was just to lose, not to get embarrassed. If it's this current roster, he's going to get embarrassed. And he, and no offense to Shador, but Shador and Caleb Williams. Shout out to DC. Shout out to all the DC-ness here, even though he's from Bowie. But... Still Prince George's? Yeah, he's from Bowie. He don't live in the city, but... That's my type of investigative journalism. But I like that. To go first, like to piggyback that point, we got everywhere he's been, this is compliance has been an issue. Everywhere, when he was in high schools, when he was at jet, compliance. So if you're talking about, they're talking about building out this coaching staff, y'all better make sure the compliance staff is legit, because there's going to be some stuff coming down. So you better make sure you surround them with somebody who knows what they're doing. And it's going to be fast. My last point about him being a grifter is that he talked about hiring Willie Simmons and all the great coaches in the swag. He's made two hires so far. Two white men from Power Five schools. He didn't hire Thurman, who got number one defense in the FCS. He didn't even bring his deco-ordinator. He didn't even bring Dennis Thurman, his deco-ordinator. Number one defense in the FCS. He went and hired the assistant defensive back coach from Alabama. Curious, sir, and curious, sir. That's a very slimy snail trail that he's like. Hey, we believe, we want to stay in Colorado. We got to believe. We got to surround ourselves with the resources.  To be able to stay in Colorado. We got to believe in the resources. Resources, right, resources, right? Resources. Like I said, at this point, it's all in a matter of who still is, you know, believing in what the snake oil does. I mean, I'm just saying it could be, you know, I said it could, it just matters. I don't know. I think, especially in these current times, I just, I personally wouldn't put all my chips in a 75% white majority basket. But, you know, that's just me. I mean, I'm not Dion. But I don't know. I think based on that, I don't know. I don't know if there's someone already in Boulder that is, that can quote unquote, crack the whip gently on Dion to reel him back. I don't know. I'm sure they probably have someone that's going to try to engage him in media training or they might go with like, no, just let him go, let him wrap, he's amazing. At least initially, because again, with this is still, we're not even close to fall. I'm sure by August that there will be some meetings and some conversations. I'm sure that I don't think that any of this is going to generate, you know, a boost in enrollment. It's still Boulder, Colorado. But I'm sure there'll be more people at the games, especially that first game, just to see, okay, what he gonna do. And then it's just a matter of like week to week. Is he gonna, is he or isn't he? Is he or isn't he? So I don't know, for everybody else though, I'm like, are y'all all of a sudden gonna actually care about Boulder games on Saturdays? Like really, just because he's there? What if he can't talk? What if his schedule, like I feel like it's also gonna be a difference of like in Jackson and he did, he can kind of run the show. Can't do that in Boulder. I don't care how desperate they are. They ain't crazy, okay? They still gonna have, the leash may be invisible, but the leash is still gonna be there. So, and this is also all predicated that nothing else crazy happens because also coming with Dion is a spotlight. So there may have been a lot of goofy stuff going on in Boulder and we had no clue because it's Boulder. Yeah, yeah. But now that Dion's there, all the stage lights, spot lights, storm lights and everything is on them now and it may backfire for them too. It may shine on the rough spots. They don't want nobody to see. So, but I just hope Jackson comes out, okay. They will, like you said, they'll be fine. Jackson said it'll be Jackson State. You know, it won't be what the salesman sold them. It was gonna be maybe, but it still, it was a great institution before he got there and they're gonna be great after he leaves. Maybe not the way they thought, but Jackson State is gonna be fine. Jackson State will be okay to just repurpose and understand where they fall and playing to your strengths. Like we talk about all the time which one of the things that most of our schools are good at is just understanding, what are you good at? Like what do we do well? Like we're not gonna be, you know, some of these other institutions but we can do what we do at a high level. We can turn out students and give them opportunities where the other institutions would not give and turn out great people. Like we'll be doing that. We'll still be doing that. We might not have no Lemos, with Lamborghini Lemos, with girls in it, but we still gonna have some degree holders and people that are change agents and making differences in the communities that are important for us to make in states like Mississippi where it matters, having educated black people. I mean, all y'all are right. I just don't think it's gonna end well for the SWAC or for Jackson only because like, no, because they're alumni. I think they're alumni realize Deon was there for a short time or whatever. But these other coaches, like at the school that I went to, are really trying to like use, like, oh, Deon mentioned my name. Let's move it about. And the challenge is, when we haven't SWAC media days next year, and all the people there are Tali and Steven, couple of other people. When we have, you know, when we look at other things, I just feel bad because the opportunity for me would have been for McClellan to like actually take a step forward and be Greg Sankey and be the face of the SWAC, like he's the face of the SEC.  Oh, what does that Deon do? What does that Deon do? And it's like most schools, the AD limits the coaches media availability. They don't just allow, Nick Saban has a lot of control, but he can't just do whatever he wants to do. Like he has to be in, there has to be some level of give and take. And he didn't have, like Deon basically was like off the reins in Jackson. And I just hope it doesn't expose things that I didn't expose cracks in Jackson's foundation because now people are going to say it was better when Deon was there. Jackson has an issue or that story comes out where they got to take a bus ride from Jackson to Bethune or to a classic or something. And oh, well, when the Deon was there, we had flights and it's going to create issues that I think are going to hurt. I don't think anything that can happen can benefit Jackson in the future because people now are going to say, Deon did this for you, do it for yourself. And Balmani said the best, like this was about Deon. This was not about Jackson State. This wasn't about HBCUs. This wasn't about black people. This was about Deon Sanders. And unfortunately, now that he's gone, we're left with this vacuum where you got people like Shannon Sharp and Steven A. Smith and Michael Strahan and all who are friends with this man who are trying to speak up for their friend and then turning their backs on the schools they went to, to a certain degree. No, no, no, no, no.  And I just feel, maybe I'm a pessimist. I was pessimistic when he started, I'm a pessimist now he's leaving. I don't feel no different, no better about it. And I'll say this, if he flies, his black behind from Boulder, Colorado on a private jet to Atlanta to coast the team, because he can be different practices. He can be recruited from Colorado and they lose the central in the celebration bowl. I'ma have a cool late style for the rest of the year. When they lose, when they lose the central.  If you don't think that affects how this gonna play out in Atlanta, you're fooling yourself. You ain't never played sport before. I don't think Dennis Thurman may throw the game.  Like you get your five mil but I still gotta make this $50,000 in Jackson. All right, player. All right, all right. What a little practice squad, starters. You know, we'll just be in cover two, just cover two all day. We'll just play cover two, don't worry about it. Just whatever they got, we just play, we in two. We just cover two. Well, it'll be a time whatever happens just sucks that they gotta suffer for it. So we'll do the next pod in Atlanta at the celebration ball. Wow. Thank you so much for watching our return episode of Digest After Dark. Y'all let the industry at a vacuum. I don't know if that'll be a good title or not but we may or may not be back. We all have full time jobs and we be tired or at least I'll be tired. But thank you so much for watching. It's been real. See ya.