Hello everybody. I'm so excited. We're here for part two of our planet talks with my friend Cindy and we're gonna be talking about one planet that I'm slightly obsessed with right now because I've just recently learned that they don't have thumbs on this planet and All they do all days just do it So I'm really fascinated by this and this is the planet of Venus and we're also going to be talking about the planet of Jupiter now if you missed our part one discussion We spoke about last week about the Sun and about Saturn and I will place part one down in the description box below It's not necessary to watch part one first But it is down there just in case you want a refresher on those two planets or you happen to miss them Of course along with that will be all the links to Cindy's YouTube channel as well as the website to her Magic school her yoga Shala where she runs all these awesome courses where you can get deeper into your personal interpersonal relationship with all these energies that are around us including the planets How are you today, Cindy? I'm good. Thank you. I'm happy and excited to be here to talk about two of I love both the Jupiter and Venus. I mean, they're just full-on the benefit You know, there's it's up there. They're all good and I You've been slight, you know, okay, so I've been slightly obsessed with both of them. Honestly Jupiter I've been working with Jupiter for many years, but then at my home in my bedroom I actually have a whole little altar set up just for Aphrodite And Aphrodite is Venus and that's Aphrodite is just the Greek interpretation of Venus and I've been Lighting that's that little altar up for probably a good year. Oh and so Venus is just so Venus Aphrodite, you know all about harmony and pleasure and Love All the different forms of love. I mean, we could all use some of that Yoga teachers were always like except the suffering pain is real Like but before we get to talk about like Venus It's kind of fun because that's also a part of being human is experiencing The good sensations as well and it just one of so I know I know people watching know that Elton John is dirty But I do like his music and I just keep getting that whenever I think about Venus that song Levi where he's like in Jesus He wants to go to Venus leave leave on far behind I kind of want to go to Venus too because it does sound like they are having some fun over on Venus as I said We have heard they don't have thumbs and we've talked about Sydney that the The creation of the thumb is what created such polarization on our planet because it created Weapons and all kinds of stuff, but apparently over on Venus as I've jokingly said, but seriously what I've heard is they literally just like do it all day, you know like I Get it I can see that Aphrodite, what's that line from thoroughly modern Millie after dining? Don't forget me Romeo and Julie at me like so Let's start with some fun some fun Venus information and we and Venus just went direct again, right? It was also retrograde so well everybody knows about mercury retrograde like your communication gets a little bit off There's positive and negative so when Venus goes retrograde. What does that mean for like relationship? And stuff like that since that's kind of the house it kind of rules or the pleasure sensation with within Ourselves and with other people as well Mm-hmm. Well then Venus retrograde talking about love or You know songs that would be where is the love? He goes into retrograde, you know Because that's what it feels like And You'll feel that in the in the relationships as well there might be a slight breakdown in communications or some of the aspects or challenges that you've had in your Relationships will start to come up during during her retrogradation and and even toward yourself because In in Greek, you know, there are different kinds of love. There's the Relationship the romantic love there is the love that you have between friendships There's the love that you have just the collected love of her humanity and you know the love that you have toward yourself And so it affects all of that so it's gonna affect not just your relationships But the relationship that you even have with with yourself It can bring up any issues that you have where you're still beating yourself up about something or you have shame You have guilt toward yourself You know so the her when she goes into retrograde It brings up anywhere where where the love is is missing or it's gone or or or it's been kind of misplaced or or Anything like that well It's kind of it can though even though that sounds like awful like everyone dreads that but it's a good time to like Re-evaluate things and work on things especially if it's with a partner that you do love you can when those issues come up you can start to actually use it as a time to kind of See where the work lies within that relationship too, so it's not always a bad thing I do know however that just like in mercury retrograde It's not a good idea to like start a new project in your mercury retrograde It's good time to end a project, but it's not a good time to start a new project Well Venus retrograde that's not a good time to start like a new relationship Is it like a love relationship you want you want it to start when Venus is direct? I would say so yeah, I mean But I'm unless you just want to start off with just some immediate like If you're strong enough, you know like mature enough to go in with some immediate like hey, you know Look at me because well Venus is it she rules harmony and She rules harmony in relationship So if you if you're going into Relationship with when that aspect is in like a shadow or retrograde period and then it can make it certainly more More challenging And she just went direct again right so we were in his period of fate of time where Venus was also Retrograde with mercury and now she just went direct again And so and it's interesting because once you start at least I noticed once you start to understand the planetary influences and energies around you you can actually feel it when The energy shifts in your own life. I mean I can't at least you can kind of feel when that that It's not a staticky anymore as as it may be What was for a couple of weeks, you know, so because she's not in right how long does she go retrograde? I'm not exactly sure the date, but it was just a few days ago. Yeah, we could get yeah It wasn't terribly long ago. And you know retrogrades have a shadow period too. They sure do minute For it so for the direct to where you feel like it it really kicks back in again I can just hear people. I'm not going. Oh my god. This explains so much Exactly Right it does.  I'm not crazy It's because I saw the funniest thing on Facebook. I think it was like a tweet I Screenshot it into the sky was like I need some white girl with a nose ring Which is me to tell me which planet is making me depressed and someone put underneath it. It's earth, bro It's earth. Yeah, exactly It's her. I thought it was so funny, but plan is making me depressed right now Well what so after daddy will you tell and for people who aren't familiar with after daddy?  Yeah, she's the the Greek version of Venus after daddy the goddess of love and it's all the She has a lot of the same attributes that that Venus does, you know, she represents Like the harmony The the pleasure and that's where we really I think you know when we think of Aphrodite We think of the the pleasure aspect of course the love aspect, but especially the pleasure side of life I mean, if you think of Aphrodite acts as named after Aphrodite And it's learning how to really and that's how I feel like Since I've had the Aphrodite altar set up for a while that has been one of the biggest lessons That she's had for me Is this idea of pleasure and I think I shared this in another video that I made with another friend of mine when we were talking about Venus But our capacity to receive Very much lies in our capacity To experience more pleasure in our lives Like the frequency of pleasure. It's like when you're you're in that place of pleasure I'm not just talking about sexuality. Of course, you know A good orgasm is always good, but I'm just talking about in general. Yeah In general pleasure Seeing the the beauty and enjoying the sensations like Aphrodite and Venus Are associated with Enjoying the sensations of life Enjoying the food that you taste enjoying the You know what like when you're you you look out into Nature like really truly seeing the beauty taken in the smells And your sensation is fully coming alive and the pleasure that you receive from From that because that is that is what life is, you know life is more about Experiencing than it is anything else and that's what Aphrodite And Venus are about When we close off our pleasure, which that resides within our second energy center, which is also very much There's some stigma around that too Where oh, you know, we shouldn't feel like pleasure is bad Yeah, if you if you go to some the older dogmatic beliefs where you know pleasure It can be distracting or it's bad or you shouldn't go down the line of pleasure down the line Or down that lane of of desire And sure, I mean it can get to a point where it becomes addictive right or it can be it can become a distraction for sure Uh, but if you close it off completely and just say well, pleasure is bad like, you know Enjoying um enjoying all my sensations and even you have to watch that even a little bit with the um How we interpret things like the yoga sutras because the the yoga sutra she got the prajahara, which is a withdrawal of the senses, right? And I think there's there's a reason for that so that you can That you can come back and not not be so distracted. Yeah, so there's a balance with this, you know, there's a balance to play with Enjoying life enjoying and not being afraid of pleasure, but at the same time not letting it distract you from Work from your purpose or your mission or your work or it not turning into some kind of an addiction or an attachment So there is like a carefulness that that needs to go with that But you know, I don't think that it means that we close our life all from pleasure all together No, absolutely When we do that it also closes off your capacity to receive because again that frequency of pleasure It feels good, right? There's there's just something About it that makes you just really truly come alive And that's what aphrodiety and this is like, oh you you just start to To open your eyes and and you become a numb Like if you numb yourself, I mean there's a certain I mean that doesn't feel very good.  And when you do that, you also close yourself off from the abundance from receiving Yeah, you know a lot of times we we we close off because we don't want to receive the negative like the bad things like the yucky Smells or something we look at we don't like we don't like what we see so we we turn our heads or Or we we close our ears because we don't want to hear what's what's coming or we don't want to hear what's being said And then that just Creates like this place of um of what's the word of denial? Yeah, and you know and aphrodiety is like the opposite of that It's the opposite of of living in denial It she's like Take it in, you know, take it in fully. Yes. Do your practices to keep you on track Do your practices to um to keep you from you know going into the realms of of um Of light suffering Yeah, you know what I mean because when we open ourselves to feelings we open up to sensations We open up to all of it. Yes, you know what I mean?  You can't it's really hard to close yourself To some of it, you know when you close yourself off you close yourself off to the good and the bad, right? It's really hard to close yourself off to just bad.  We don't play music That's just a rule and I always tell the beginner students like I'm a huge fan of the arts I'm a huge music lover But I use myself an example if I listen to music while I'm practicing because I love the sensation of music It becomes it enables me to not actually go deep into my own work at that moment And so it's almost like finding that there's a time for me to fall into The movement of music and a time for me to actually do my practice Knowing how to separate the two to find that balance of what's happening at that now moment And I love that, you know, it's so funny And I'll I'll see if I can stand up you guys can see and you know We talk a lot about kundalini and what what Cindy's talking about If you guys can see in my but this the area around this sake That's where that the energy lies and that total bowl at the at the base of the pelvis And I'll never forget being at a uh a weekend intensive with David Grieg up in Philadelphia my original ashtanga teacher and him talking about how hard it is to access Especially for western women to access that part of our even our own bodies Which is our pleasure senses because we've been taught taught by society to like Not go there, you know what I'm saying? And so it's interesting you brought that up because aphrodite and venus are inviting you to actually go there And there's a lot of power in that area of the body. There's a lot of power in that that's not just all sexual It's it's it's it's another power that's there in that area of of the body for both men and women But for women, especially it's like women have a really hard time and for us and yoga We have the mola bunda connecting to the other there's a whole thing there that's happening but it's like We have been kind of the power of venus of aphrodite has been kind of stripped of us You know in the past on this timeline. Do you see moving forward into this age of aquarius that she will become more um more of a balanced uh character or energy in our lives this venus energy Oh, yeah, I can see it already happening with the rise of the even the divine You know, we've had so many Conversations about the divine feminine. Yeah, and that's part of it is awakening that sense That has been shamed for so long.   We got to take it out of that box of being sinful Right.   Let's be honest.  And I and I know a lot of people though will go the extreme where they're using too much of food And then there's a different reaction But I know a lot of people who are able to just sit and like really Take in the sensation of eating and I'm just like, let's do this. Let's get it over with and move on to the next thing Um, so and it's the pleasure like for me. I for like 20 years now. I think I probably 20 years now Every night I take a salt bath every single night without fail And that's something I really enjoy because there's a pleasure sensation in the smells of the salts in the bubbles I usually read I usually read a murder mystery like Usually like, you know, there's pleasure in that and that's okay. It's it's something you look forward to you know, it's something that that in this in the The uh flipping on of the sensation the senses is what gives you a sense of also Almost who you kind of are in this body because different people have different Likes and and all that kind of stuff. Well, I mean, what what else do you know about venus? Do you know um about the people on there or like? I'm just so fascinating. They only have that they don't have thumbs I don't know Anyway, I'm like, they don't have thumbs guys. They don't have thumbs The actual beings of venus. I don't know too much about that. I wish I did though I mean, I don't know what I feel like I'm like, y'all they don't have thumbs like They don't have freaking thumbs. Um, but it's a beautiful planet. Isn't it venus? She's beautiful Yeah Well, well because that's another thing that she represents. She is beauty So one of the things that she'll the energy that she holds is pleasure And the other one is a beauty and anything that creates more beauty is is so venusian You know, we're talking about music the music that uplifts you, you know, talk about creating art Like art and music any of that that cultural Experiences that we have that just really awaken us to life right beauty that is all You know venusian qualities and even seeing again, it's all just taking it back to to yourself too It's not just seeing the beauty that's out there, but then recognizing your own personal beauty and You know doing the things that make you feel beautiful as well Like taking the time to to do the things that you know, whether it is brushing or putting on brushing your hair putting on lipstick You know Or making your bed, you know, so that your room feels more all that stuff seems so like basic Or the things that don't matter But it does matter whatever makes you feel good about yourself whatever makes you feel beautiful Whatever creates more beauty in life that is venus, you know, we want we want more of that We want we need more of that we need more venus In our lives So just creating beauty however you can through through words through songs through lyrics through dance, you know any kind of movement Um Appreciating our own personal beauty doing the things that make you feel feel like that that to feel it attractive Because venus also through beauty she has that essence of magnetism And and you know when you're around someone Whether they're physically beautiful or whether they're poetic in their words But there's just something about them that has like this magnetic pull that magnetism That is venus. Yeah That's um, there's there's nothing sexier than someone that's doing what they love You know, it's right energy associated with it And it's um, you know beauty is in the eye of the beholder when you behold that energy That's what's so beautiful and that's what's so magnetic and and um So how if somebody's I know because I know a lot of our viewers right now are just now for so long Even astrology was just doomed and gloomed by everyone that it was you know Back religion and I know so many people right now are starting to kind of re Discover this stuff that I believe our ancestors knew perfectly well about if someone watching this right now Realizes that they are on a path. They have patterns where they um Deny themselves pleasure. What would be a good starting point to Invoking venus the energies of venus into so and into someone's life that they're not used to that allow it giving himself permission to have those experiences I would start very basic just the way that we were talking about and that's the beauty of these planets, especially with venus Um, that's because we live in a highly sensational world. There's no denying that yeah, like you can Walk out your your door and you'll be Something something's gonna you'll either see Someone walking or you know, you'll see trees or you you look up in the sky. You'll see the sun Um, we we live in a highly highly sensational world. So to tie into venus is actually quite easy It's just a matter of awakening your sense if you want to Tap into venus the more the quickest way is to awaken yourself up to your senses the side that you're gonna not Um, you're not gonna be numb anymore It could be as simple as every morning lighting in an instant stick and awakening your sense of smell You know, it could be as simple as making sure that you turn on music that really brings you joy and that makes you come alive You know, it doesn't have to be complicated. None of this. I mean venus is not complicated It because we are so immersed in the sensational world It's really easy To look at the beauty and to see to be if you want to it's also really easy to look at everything that's going Wrong in the world. Yep, but it's just as easy To to look at the beauty to see the beauty And so it's that shift of perspective deciding that i'm going to to see what's right And to see what's good in the world instead of focusing on all the shit that's wrong All right venus is the one that says no, you know, because because like I said, it's just as easy To look at the good as it is to look at the bad Absolutely You just have to you know, you have to turn turn it around and decide that you want to do that And there's there's a lot of good around you and there's so so much Especially here in george. I think they live in a beautiful state. Whatever state you live in You know, the trees are magnificent.  Yeah, it's like that Albert Einstein quote I think it was the Einstein that said you can live your life The unparaphrasing thinking everything is in a miracle. Everything is a miracle. Like it's how you perceive it And george is I have to tell you know, I I am a beach person I like being on the coast as my mom's family is from but lately I've been trying to dig into like the history of atlantis and and it's it's Proximity to the state of georgia and I've been it's it's kind of taken me back because georgia is beautiful Where we live is magical like it is gorgeous. Um, especially in north georgia at the base of the appellation mountains There's magic here around us in the nature and I think everybody I mean I think about like even The southwest which is another area that I've I've been to but I would like to explore more because there's magic there as well It is all around you and I guess yes that perception of um Of that venus energy of Being with it and experiencing that as well or you could live in george and be like these damn mosquitoes. Just won't stop biting them Exactly that happens too Hot hot Who are not from georgia like that I've filmed with that ever other like in the summertime I was like, man, I'm sweating like a horn church like it's just so hot here in In georgia, but but you know, but there's beauty. I mean people listen, you know, we say it was southern women We don't sweat we glisten, you know, like there's there's beauty there, too Um and so and yeah, it's not it's not all I mean we joke about the sex thing because it is, you know That's kind of what we joke about but it's more than just that it's absolutely more than just that So why don't we now talk about jupiter? Jupiter jupiter. He's the planet of just pure expansion and growth We talked about the sun last time how sun also represented your mission Like your mission and your purpose and lack given you clarity toward that Well, what jupiter does is jupiter says, okay, this is how you can get there These are the things that go are going to attribute to your growth. These are the things that you can do That are going to align you with your mission and your purpose um and you know jupiter is like the The biggest planet out there and he has like this very grave, you know a lot of gravity to him as well and so it suggests that the essence of growth and expansion and wealth those who are tied or are interested in You know just stepping into more abundance. They're in lack or scarcity jupiter is the the first planet that you call on to to try to help you out of that that feeling of scarcity or that feeling of not having enough Because jupiter wants you to feel like you have enough because that's where it starts, you know It's it starts there if you're stuck in lack and scarcity all the time It's even hard to tap into the sensation of growth right and so You know, he comes in to help you align that your your your thoughts or any Preconditions that you might have and let me tell you spiritual people to have all sorts of crazy ass Thoughts about wealth and money. Yeah, I mean we just do. I mean there is so much I mean, I you know I'd have to do the personal work through that I'm still doing the personal work But almost you know just in general That's something that people who are in the line of spirituality. They have a hard time with the idea of wealth Yeah, because when they think of wealth, they think of greed Automatically, you know what I mean? And so there's like this and in especially if there are spiritual people who are trying to make a living God forbid because then it's like there is just so much controversy around all that like oh, well, you shouldn't make money over this anyways all that to say is that spiritual anyone who's like within the realm of of Talking about spirit or expansion, which is they're all very Jupiter-type topics because it's all about spreading wisdom and knowledge because Jupiter is also the planet of wisdom Yeah, okay, but he's also the planet of wealth You can spread wisdom and you can have wealth And they don't have to be one or the other I know and that's so funny you say that because I've gotten that before as As a teacher, I know you have two Sunday where people get mad that we charge tuition to come to our classes And I'm like I'm always like well I have to pay my teacher in India for my education and if you want me to teach you That's an energy I have to give and if I'm not making money Then that means I I have to get enough I still have the same bills to pay that everybody else does so I would have to go get a job And not be able to teach you anymore and it is that weird and and I see it too with a lot of I know a lot of people who are highly trained in a spiritual field Who very much undervalue themselves with money now? There are people out there that will charge way too much for what they're offering But yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up because whether it's a yoga reiki Whatever type of discipline that you're teaching You're allowed to make money doing it, especially if you have put a lot of energy into your own education, you know, and Yeah The energy of jupiter says pretty much confirms for you that it's okay for you to feel wealth right and And that can be in money or However, that comes through to you but in our society right now Wealth is very often the tide Tied to too money because the money gives you senses of freedom that if you don't have money Or if you're living in poverty If you're living if you're living in poverty, it has a very restrictive feeling Yeah, and your consciousness. I don't care what you say.  Yeah, I mean, I know that feeling myself. It's very constricting And that jupiter is like, you know, you know, yeah, you know That's not necessary for you to live in poverty to grow spiritually No, it's so funny because people will say like to me like, oh, well, you know Those gurus in india didn't charge that some of their students Well, let me tell you what those students who didn't pay did for those gurus. They lived with them They cleaned their house. They ran their errands for them There was always an exchange happening to help the teacher out and even like, yeah Like I look I look at bcass. I ain't guard a potabi joist even kismetariya towards the end They were very wealthy towards the end of their um, yeah, and that that's that's okay Yeah, and I know that feeling of not having enough is is scary It's a scary feeling and that of course will cause magnetism for more fear and more stress in your life and that's not You know, it's the opposite of jupiter energy. This is the opposite of expansion and growth Right and and you don't need I mean, I know the wall of one talks about this like Being a martyr is not a positive attribute Don't you know, so I think a lot of spiritual people think that they need to put themselves in that position of being a martyr It's not a that's not positive That's not that's a service to self. Like that's not, you know, you don't need to be in that position. So so, yeah Yeah, well, let's talk about the wisdom of jupiter. So what's the wisdom if we have the wealth and the wisdom is that Father time. Well, you know Saturday's part of time jupiter is like well, you're talking about the guru You know the guru the way the weighty one the one that has the wisdom They're very jupiterium. If that if that's a word, you know, so so the teacher one The teachers the philosophers the you know, like the true gurus Um, the ones who are you know heads of any kind of spiritual Uh community in a good way, you know in a way that's providing wisdom Like in a good way That are providing true wisdom And a place where you can grow In that like in your knowledge in your wisdom because it it it takes you Towards your mission, you know what I mean? It's like um The more knowledge we have Yeah More there are we more the more we open up to that knowledge and that wisdom that's going to take us into the direction of of our path and So anyone who helps you with that any teachers That help you with with that like the teachers the philosophers the um the priestesses or the priests You know the good kinds or the ones that really want to help you that is also very that's jupiter That's jupiter inner I keep thinking like play to aerosol like you know, yeah. Yes. Yeah Teachings are still affecting us to this day Uh jesus mary magdalene um You know the true teaching Yeah, not the not the corrupted teaching but the true teaching was very self-liberating Um within yourself, you know, so Absolutely, you know, it's so funny because we're talking about you having you know Your shawl is kind of like a mystery school and something I learned from what I was saving a long time ago Was that little blip on jupiter that we see you know that dark the eye of jupiter that dark circle actually Allegedly connects to the pyramids of giza the energy cycle and the fact that the mystery schools actually started in egypt Connecting to jupiter. So there's that jupiter jupiterian energy right there just on where people were growing and learning within themselves Yes Yeah, so wisdom Uh, and you know, we talked about growth growth and expansion wealth I mean, these are all what jupiter is about and There's there's nothing There's nothing wrong with with any of that And you know, we need like we need I think we need more jupiter in our lives just as much as we need venus You know jupiter in last time when we were talking about the sun We talked about the placement of them within your astrological chart And you can look at that as well Because I know I gave a little we were talking about, you know, giving a brief example of Your sun placement in your chart like whatever your sun sign is Well, your venus also has a sign and your jupiter also has a sign and they also have house placements So if you're in into astrology And and you have a astrology chart and there's apps for that too. Um, the app that I use. I don't know if I shared this before but it's called time Passages Well, no, let me look and make sure that's right and it's a great little app on your phone where you put in your Yeah, time passages you put in your birthdays I mean there's there's things online too like half a astrology and I think astro.com Like if you're on a computer and you want to do it on a computer, but you can also Create your fine put it online And oh, you can't see that all you see is a white circle. But anyways, that was my my chart. I want to look it up. Yeah you can You can pull up your chart is it's pretty easy to get your chart Oh, yeah time passage is it's a is a great app that I like to use and there you can look at the placements The which one is that is it the top one or the blue the purple or blue? The one down the one with the moon half moon the blue one. Okay. All right. I'm getting that right now guys I'm gonna have this it's so funny. I uh, you know, I always laugh because um I was born in south carolina and my burst actually just I was going through my old baby book Through some stuff today and my actually my original birth certificate isn't my baby book But I have apparently lost my first birth certificate many times I've had to order it and they they south carolina from when I was born gives you the your exact time of birth Like it gives you everything on the birth certificate. I know some birth certificates don't but it gives my exact time of birth um, and so Yeah, that's so cool and it's so I've had my chart done three times in my life and it is it is it's it's really fascinating because you can't see all That stuff and where everything is is connected Um, well, I'll say I've had my chart done with my permission three times in my life As I now know somebody else has been using my chart without my permission But we've already talked about that but with my permission But yeah That you can look on your chart and see what where your jupiter because again your jupiter has a sign like my jupiter's in capricorn And it's in the tip house. It's in the same house as my Sagittarius So these are the things what that are going to make it's going to give you some characteristics about okay What's going to make that? The the your your Your jupiter self, you know the part of you that wants to grow that wants to expand that wants to know well You know what house placement what makes what makes your jupiter happy and what also stimulates it through through the sign And it can tell you about that look at you know, look at your jupiter flight my venus Is it in the scorpio which is probably not the best sign for venus, but My venus is in scorpio and it's in the night house I have a lot a lot in the night house But that's the way that you can also take a look at look at the planets Look at how they're placed and this is just very simple basic astrology that i'm talking about here I mean you can go into all sorts of Deep deep deep dives within your astrological chart, but if you're not quite there yet I mean, I don't know I don't there's a lot about that aspect of astrology I don't know but you can start very simply by looking Understanding the attributes of the planet Looking at where they are within your chart and just start one one at a time You know start with the sun we talked about the sun That's an easy one because most of us know our sun sign then move on to jupiter Okay, so where you know what's my jupiter sign and what house is it in then move on to venus and let that be A way to give you some awareness about your about yourself and what makes you tick and what makes You know brings out joy and what brings out expansion in your own life It's it's written out. It's literally written out in the stars on on your chart And that's you know So you you you can work with the planets through your chart and the way we talked about last time is you you call them down You call down the energy by you know creating sacred space form Using candles doing little ceremonies with them on their day jupiter's day is thursday venus's day is friday So those are what we're we're today wednesday. We're actually in mercury's mercury's day What day is this i don't even know anymore I don't know But um, yeah, so if you need to call down more wealth in your life, you know Or more just wisdom or more growth you you want to know what growth feels like You know call it again. It's not that it's not there the reason Or the way these these planets work is They just show you parts of yourself that you've forgotten.    So in other words, it's going to require you to go in into your mind and into your belief systems And to to look at where you're holding yourself back from your own growth expansion wealth wisdom And that's about yourself too because as you're saying this I know something that I had to work through in trauma therapy when I And I I am not really like I've never I mean I always laugh This is why I've always dated poor men because I I've never really cared about like money's never really been a I've never really thought about it, but I've also I realized in trauma therapy. It never felt like I deserved Yeah, and that's a huge one huge one Because and I and I grew up with a Pretty well stew family, but it was this like hell belief I had about myself that I was undeserving Of certain things and that came from childhood stuff but um, but I didn't even realize that that was what was happening with me was It was a mix of two things like I didn't really think about money that much, but I also didn't feel deserving of Of getting back what I had put into certain things, right? You know like I had a job a long time ago where it was really hard for me to like get paid Like I had to like chase down my paycheck and I remember having to like talk to therapist about that because Months would go by And I would be like I wouldn't I wouldn't feel like I deserved to ask for that You know and that's and I'm wondering I know that's a childhood thing guys, but but um But like that's kind of I guess I think if you I think a lot of people kind of have that issue I don't think that's uncommon and would that be working with jupiter to to try to heal that Yes, you can work with jupiter to help heal all those different belief systems or traumas that we have around it or um, if you're Another common one too, especially if you look more like me, you know your brown skin or whatever Is well people who look like me Aren't they don't They're not the wealthy ones. You know people who look like me just don't They don't get there. You know what I mean, and so but that's just another belief system That's a belief system that you've put on yourself That is like doesn't have to be true It no it doesn't have to be true, but we can make it true Like we can believe it and we can sink our teeth in it and make it true But it's you know, it's not true. It's so funny because it seems like jupiter doesn't want you to be a victim I don't know.  Do you say? I'm gonna like this candle. Hey, I want 20 thousand dollars I'm just gonna say And then jupiter's like here here's your 20 thousand dollars You know, it doesn't work like that You can say something like okay. I want to align myself up with you know receiving 20 thousand dollars A month or something. I don't know, you know, you can align yourself with that and then jupiter says, okay, you really want that Okay, well, then now here's the what you need to to do. Here's the belief systems that you have that Yeah, anything that has to do with you don't deserve it Or you can't do it. It's impossible because there's a lot of that just sense of impossibility Yeah, it just doesn't seem possible. And let's you know what I mean? There's a lot of that Yeah, and all of this. Yeah, it is.   I think it was a it's a little bit a mix of jupiter and venus Where growth, you know the idea of growth There's a lot of sensation that comes with that. I'm sure you've probably experienced that you yourself arise with your channel Like you grow But then there's a lot of beautiful things, you know Probably a lot of feedback that you receive suddenly people are content you get good feedback And then you might not you might get other kinds of feedback Because you've exposed yourself. Yeah, right. And so then you're suddenly open to all of this You know more energy coming towards you.  Well that overwhelm is part of growth But that overwhelm can also shut you down like you're like, oh my god, this is just too much and most this is too much I'm gonna shut it down So it's almost like a little bit of like jupiter with venus being able to hold more sensation So that you can grow and and then you can just you hold more And that's jupiter too and in that expansive sense of growth You just simply you're able to hold more than you think you can and that is like it's like your container has to expand and grow And that also takes practice Like it doesn't just expand and grow probably all at once It probably has to go like this so you don't like totally Shut yourself down and overwhelm You know, it's so funny too because I have um A little bit of an issue with like ocd with some stuff and I know that comes from like anxiety disorders that I have with uh ptsd But it's like weird ocd like before I was on youtube I would freak out if there was an email in my inbox that I hadn't checked or read or responded to Or if there was a text I hadn't read or responded to But because of what's happening with youtube i'm i'm constantly getting emails i'm constantly getting i mean, you know Cindy I mean cindy you're my friend in real life and sometimes it takes me a couple of days to respond to your text messages, you know And before this it's been a practice for me because before this I would have freaked out But there are days when I I just have to let things go like I have to let some emails go because there's not you know And so I understand what you're saying like that overwhelming panicking But then if you write it you can start to kind of even break through your own barriers Yeah, that's jupiter That's jupiter right there. It's like I think it's a little bit of jupiter and venus It's like you have to train yourself to hold more sensation to hold more and more But that expands you and it grows you so you can hold more clear to your vision and purpose without getting so Distracted or without self sabotaging yourself and saying I can't take this Like this is too much. This is too hard. And so the whole self sabotage comes in Yeah, it does too and I think it's because we do yeah that self sabotage and also we we put unrealistic expectations when we Yeah, because you're when you expand and grow everything does change. So you have to change too You know what worked for you for me with the that was a good example having a platform now I'm still the same person before I had the platform But aspects of myself have had to change in order to Fit into this new reality. That is my life You know that makes sense. And so it's it's not self sabotage. It's just moving the self to fit To fit with the new path of life, but I'm still the same person. I'm just not as ocd by my emails anymore because it can't be Can't be impossible. So so yeah, that's so I'm this is so fascinating. I love all this information. I'm so happy it's coming back into um Now I want to say with venus who I forgot to say this It is the morning star now It has flipped it used to be that we could see venus at night But now we're seeing it in the morning and it it came uh in january and for those that aren't aware That's actually the book of revelation. That's when we know we're changing timelines is because uh into the age of aquarius me For those who would know that watch this channel, you know, revelations is not a scary book. It's actually very exciting Book it's about the changing of a timeline and the the morning star is venus that in january now venus is seen in the morning And not the evening is jupiter. You can see as well too, right in the sky sometimes Yeah, oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, there are times when jupiter is big and strong and And as a matter of fact that there was that recent conjoint. What was it? Should I can't remember it was jupiter and another it was a jupiter and saturn. Was it last uh winter solstice Yeah, well it was right. It was before And it wasn't here this last winter solstice. It was before yeah, that's It was so with the conduct where they they were saying it was um It was what they saw in the sky during the christ Yeah, but it was we're entering in the it was like we were exiting one time It was like the star of bethlehem, but exiting from one time to another one It was exactly we I we that was yeah over a year ago because that was uh, what was that? 2020 uh winter solstice And living I mean cindy lives in in an area that's suburb But I live like right in the middle of the city So all I see is skyscrapers and we drove everywhere trying to see if we could see The constellation and it was just we could not it was it was too smoky or cloudy and We could see it. We could step outside the studio. Actually, that's what we did I taught a yoga class that day and then afterward we went outside to see but it never fully conjuncted You could still see the two planets separate from each other It never went into a full like a full kind of but it was still really really cool to see Yeah, to see experience. So yeah, I mean I mean, I think I think planets are portals as well. I think earth's also a portal I think there's so much more to the energies of planets than we've been led to believe and um, even in uh, The apocryphal excuse me the apocalypse of abraham I was just so fascinated in that missing book where god told abraham like The stars and the planets they live in the fifth firmament and they are messengers, which we know messenger angel So they are as powerful as the angels what we would consider And we know that angels are associated with the planets as well Like, you know, michael is the sun gabriel's the moon, you know, so it's it's so fascinating how powerful these These these things are and that for a short I think it's actually been a very short period of time in our timeline We haven't been privy to that knowledge I think for most of our humanity our ancestors knew exactly What was going on in the skies and then we just for a very short period lost that connection But we're getting it back again And that's yeah, it forces people to be accountable to themselves too. You can't You know kind of takes again that victim mentality away where you now have to do the work yourself so Yeah, and another interesting thing about venus you're talking about Is is that her path Is I if you follow her path, it's actually it forms a pentacle Interesting you like look that shit up to you Yes That one we know that Is the only it's just spirit air, you know, earth That's another thing that's been inverted in in our world is for us to run away from those things and and um, that's actually not And I've said this before so many times like the dark cult the dark bunch Darkness can't create only light can create so everything that's in existence Was first created by the light and used for positive and then was corrupted by the darkness and actually Cindy I'm going to ask you this on this show. I was going to text you I'm going to put you on the spot because you know, um, you were the one that recommended um this book to me Now reading it through we're doing theories on magdalene I want to do after we go through this I've been telling everybody that my plans are to go to the priestess hood of isis And I want to bring you on for that too because that's something you have knowledge about and that's another thing That's been inverted In our world is this idea of isis and what isis really was and so I hope you know, this is all like all the god in venus aphrodite The goddess how the goddess has been demented very magdalene How she's been diminished. Yeah, where she was a priestess of isis and Hathor And I have the book of the sypheo code. I love that Got it right here. I just haven't started it yet. So Yes, that's a bit. I love that one Um, there's a great information in that and there's another book. Um I have the second it's a it's a channeled book and it talks about Mary's The the grandmother Anna. Yes, the mother Mary's. Yeah, that's Anna Okay, I have the second book on Anna But the first one I haven't read the first one it comes highly recommended as well But it talks a lot about that is even this even the second book talks about it But the first book again, it's a channel, but but I love it. I think it's great It talks about the the mysteries and The the how it's tied into the the priestesses of isis and all that. Yeah And so I mean that's what jesus yashua grew up around was these women that had yeah So there's a lot and that's what's so fun for me because there's so much There's so much liberation now because all these things that we've been taught are bad or not actually bad And so there's there's liberation and rediscovering these tools and this knowledge that our ancestors had And that's super exciting. That's super exciting Yes, and the goddess and this is a very venous and the aphrodite and just a general sense of the goddess teachings It's so much about embodiment. Yeah Instead of trying to transcend like your body is this bad thing it's so much about bodying And loving your body and not hating on it or thinking that your body is a bad thing Which is a you know, which is a thing that you hear in An older like old spirituality like the body is something that's terrible You know, it's it just gets in the way Of your ascension or your enlightenment But the goddess teachings and goddess teachings are contra those are contra teachings Um, it's more about you go through your body To know to know your enlightenment and that is so venous and so aphrodite It's like it's what we're talking about the sensations like live through your body. See the beauty Smell live life and that's going to awaken you up to just life itself When when life itself, that's all it wants. It just wants you to experience it You know that that's a big um Something that ellen watt said that you live for life for life itself. It's simply to be alive I love that So that is such a venution or aphrodite thing because you gotta awaken yourself to you gotta be willing to take it in And that is like embodiment, you know, and that's so such a goddess thing too It's not you don't transcend your body. You come in you love your body And that's what the venous teachings teachings are to love yourself love Your body love your form your form isn't bad And then extend that love because you know venous is all about the love all about the love extend that love out Wherever you can I love how ellen watts because when I read that when he was because it's like human beings We have this like propensity to try to make things way more difficult than they really are And when I'm reading that with his writing like You know, we try what's the point of life and we have all these like deep You know theories and he's like just be alive Point of exactly be alive be human Like, you know, so I love ellen watts love if you guys have not read any of ellen watts Writings they can be intense. I mean they can be they can be but I can put some links down to some of his books Down in the description box below. He's no longer with us. I'm kind of bummed that he's no longer with us because I think him and rom daas they would have been quite tickled to see This unfolding Transfer a little ellen watts and I'm sure that would have been a fun room to be in. Yeah, we're in a room together Do you know I stuff in youtube with All in what if you want to go youtubeing down those ellen watts rabbit hole There is so funny that uh, so I i'm not a huge this kind of off subject and people watching might not know What kirtan is but kirtan is like Rock music for spiritual people will put it that way. I'm not a huge kirtan person to be honest with you guys I'm gonna list some erasmith like I'm just not but I did go to a bag of on daas uh kirtan once before and there's in bag of on daas obviously was uh used to kind of Pall around with rom daas and they had a falling out because bag of on daas has his own issues And regardless of all the issues bag of on daas had there was definitely something about that man Like there was some very magnetism about like there was something very powerful about and and I'm not a kirtan person but Um, but he was it was it was really intense And so yeah that whole group the allen watts the rom daas the bag of on daas Who's the one that looks like ned flanders? That's kirtan as well. That was around with them Krishna daas is that Krishna daas? Yes. I kind of looks like ned flanders and he's still out there doing Yeah So Yeah Yeah, yeah, I'm glad I'm glad you're not always still like when I tell people in the spiritual that I'm not really a kirtan person They're like And I'm like I just no I'm not either really I mean I'll yeah I'll hack your towns here at the studio and they're lovely, but yeah, I don't listen to kirtans on my radio Yeah, I totally listen to like I don't know something in the 80s But the 70s the 80s Rock and roll. I'm totally the I'm totally like the glamour rock girl Oh me too Yeah, yeah, I used to live in LA. I used to live on the sunset strip I was actually a house guy at the viferoom and that glam rock is still really big in LA like For a while there the only men I dated were eyeliner like that was like, you know I shared with an ex-boyfriend like we share jeans because it was the tight, you know eyeliner jeans Take him longer to get ready than me So it's still it was still very much alive in the early 2000s in LA and I would go to the yeah, so that's me too. I like that And I'll tell you something too.  He plays a classical piano. He's been playing since he was three years old He loves classical music.  Can I like listen to like some Bon Jovi? Can this be Prince? Yeah, the prince or something like that The sun's like it's the roles are reversed. Hey, I said only I would say I went to a Bon Jovi concert when I lived in Los Angeles at the Staples Center And that was one of the most fun concerts I've ever been through. First of all, Bon Jovi is tiny He's like, I don't even know. He's five feet tall. He's tiny and the hair. Oh my god The hair was amazing for all the women the big jersey hair and Yeah, the Rolling Stones were great. Mick Jagger just ran all over the stage the whole time and um, Let's see a bit of journey. Are you a speed wagon? Ted Nugent? Oh, yeah I went to Styx. I had so much fun at Styx. I was kind of embarrassed. I was kind of embarrassed to go to Styx But I had so much fun at the stick. It was they were so great. Um, I've been to the monkeys before the lead singer passed away I was with my parents at Chastain Park to the monkeys. I mean, yeah, it's it's I love rock and roll though It's It's so I miss going to concerts because there's an yeah, I know so do I I I love it too, but yeah, it's just it's just kind of funny how To each their own My son is like he's let's say he says he's not into like music of his time And he'll listen to music of our time But he doesn't listen to the music of this time like he prefers listening to like, you know I mean seriously, he will listen to Beethoven and he will listen to Chopin. I'm like, who are you?  I feel like God kids good or we get older.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's pretty good. Be do it. He's definitely Take that away from him. That's for sure. I mean, he works as fail-off to He's so He's gonna make something of himself with that talent because he definitely it's not just, you know A lot of kids take the piano a lot of kids do but he literally has got a talent It's in his blood. It's in his his obvious obviously if he's listening to it Not being forced to too because a lot of kids are forced to listen to Mozart. So Um, he's got a love he's got a love for it.  I mean that is that's what it's all about Yeah, and in this world where we take everything so seriously You know, I think we just have to to not Because that's another thing, you know with spirit in the spirit realm we tend to like take things way Way too seriously. Oh, yeah Like that is the I mean where the beauty lies is in those moments of grace when you've lit up. Yes Giving yourself a moment of breath or a moment of laughter That's when grace comes in right and beauty. Yes Well, Guruji Patabi Joyce apparently back in the day before he was swamped with students If he had a student that took it way too seriously He'd be like, oh no room when there was plenty of room Like he would turn them away and they learned to have a freaking sense of humor You know learn to laugh and that's and I always I joke with my students. There's um Used to be a vhs, but this teacher Richard Freeman who's one of the First to kind of bring traditional yogurt Yoga to the west and he has this like 90s video of him doing primary series and he's totally 90s The outfit the backdrop and he says You know in order to do a stronger yoga there are two things you need A sense of humor and the ability to laugh at yourself But it's really true like it is true and I think that's that's that's true for everything we do take ourselves way too seriously and um and Serious that that seriousness isn't pleasure And It isn't pleasure.  But just lighten up a little. Yeah, it'll be all right So it's okay It's fine. So all right, Cindy. This has been so so fun next week. Do you want to do more planets next week? Yeah, I'll let you Okay, I'll think about it and see maybe we'll get into the moon I'm sure because the moon is is big. Obviously we there's all sorts of controversy around the moon too Yeah, we can talk about that too, but Yeah, so Women we're moon. So we get our monthly cycle. So yeah, we absolute so we'll do the moon and another planet next week I'll let you pick so This has been so fun Cindy So once again guys, I'm going to put all of her links down in the description box below Please make sure to go if you like these talks you want to know more Please make sure you subscribe to her channel because she has a lot more stuff on our channel Including practices if you're still looking to kind of dabble into the asana the posture practice of yoga And of course, I'm going to be putting up links to her website If you're interested in any and going deeper into any of these topics and any of her intensives and her courses All right guys, I hope you guys are having a wonderful week And we actually you know, what's funny is this is going to be dropped on thursday on jupiter's day So I hope you guys are having a wonderful jupiter's day And I have to see a day on friday, which is actually my birthday.  So Enjoy the day of the goddess taking it All right guys, we'll talk to you soon. Bye everybody


When can I have it again? And I thought I can't quit This is started the storefront Today's guests is Dr. Jason Worson founder of TheraBody the journey in creating TheraBody has been a very personal one for Dr. J In 2007 he was cruising around LA on his motorcycle when the car cut him off and sent him flying The recovery from that crash was long and frustrating Prompting Dr. J to invent the first iteration of TheraGun an instrument which helped his body heal through progressive therapy TheraGun was far from an overnight success though and Dr. J spent years trying to convince anyone who would listen about the benefits of using one But over time as TheraGun found its way into the hands of more and more people The feeling was undeniable Now with the launch of a new line of CBD products the company formerly known as TheraGun has become TheraBody So listen in as we cover everything from how a faithful knock on his door from a famous stranger convinced him not to give up Why innovation leads science and why Dr. J believes the three most important attributes in an entrepreneur are persistence consistency and delusion Now back to the episode Welcome to the podcast on today's show We have the founder of a lot of people know as TheraGun now moving to TheraBody Dr. J. Thanks so much for joining. I wanted to start with a bit of your story And so what what made you want to start the company? We know was an accident But if you could just walk us through the the genesis of the idea Well, it wasn't it's it sort of happened It wasn't something that I sat in my house and Consciously thought about how to create a business You know, I'd had businesses in the past in my younger years and I had just started a practice So in my mind I had a business that was what I was going to do a chiropractor and I opened a business So I think there's a few things and I can tell a real quick story But it I think the idea that this thing evolved over time. It wasn't something that I I Didn't have this aha moment where I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm going to sell, you know hundreds of these or whatever in 2007 I was in a I had a practice here in Los Angeles. I had just started I was on my on the freeway on the 10 freeway splitting traffic on a motorcycle Which is what you do in LA and a car cut me off and I hit the side of this car going 55 miles an hour And I sustained a lot of soft tissue damage from it. I That was October 17th of 2007. I just a little backstory My parents when I grew up had a farm my my father's from Norway my mother's Distant families from London and so I had you know, I Regrew up we didn't have a lot of money and we grew up just being resourceful and having fun The farm taught me a lot of things it taught me how to use my hands how to work with things And then you know as I got older we started using power tools And I actually had a business where I was installing flooring and I did stairways and custom railings And I used my hands a lot and designing things that you kind of would picture and then using your hands to create those I've always enjoyed that. I didn't realize that it was gonna pay back later on so with this kind of resourcefulness idea, I'm I got injured my motorcycle accident now It's December and now January of 2008 and all of these things are full-blown meaning every injury I had was at its worst the inflammation was bad. I had total atrophy on my right side I couldn't feel these three fingers and as a chiropractor. Those are my tools and The pain was was the worst part of it I have a brother who's a chiropractor and he'd been in a water skiing accident about two years before me and He lives in Utah. Our kids are the same age I would fly home and stay with him at his house and I remembered him treating himself He had this harness he was hanging himself with and using his vibration and I just assumed he knew what he was doing It didn't register for me until I had my injury and I called him up and I'm like, bro What were you doing so he explained to me about this product? He called a vibracusser that he used this vibration tool to put on his body and it made the pain subside And I was like, huh, that's what I need. So I called my business partner I'm like, dude, we have one of these. He said, yeah, it's in the closet. I never use it It's old drove over there grabbed it didn't my brother told me to do with it It was about the size of a coke can and I had a variable speed on the bottom I'd turn that on find the speed that felt good and I just lodged underneath my armpit and that vibration immediately would make the pain go away But I learned later on because it was vibration my body accommodated to that So I see, you know, you have headphones on and earbuds and a watch or socks or a bracelet or a wedding ring What happens after you put those on is the body accommodates that information It means it takes it and puts it in your subconscious Your body doesn't need to be aware of that. It's not threatening. Well, this vibration fit in that category It only worked for a certain period of time and it was like a couple of minutes And I started to get irritated by that because it would work and then it would not work and then it worked And I'm not worried. I'd have to keep taking it out of my body now it's January early January of 2008 and I'm You get to know me a little bit. I'm turning green now I'm pissed because it's things not working But I knew it could work and I'm taking my thumb and I'm shoving my thumb underneath my scapula I can feel where the pain is sort of residing and I thought I need something that just punches that area And I thought where can I buy one of those? I looked and there wasn't anything and I wasn't making money at the time.  I'm sitting in my apartment in Culver City I have to put my hand on my head like this to take the pressure off my nerve and my neck So I'm using one hand to kind of mess around this Thing and I make something and I use it and it's amazing And I was and it immediately gave me relief And I was expecting it to do the same thing the vibration tool did but it didn't I never it my body never got used to it And I was fascinated by that So long story short from 2008 to 2015 I created five different versions And I would make a cup make one and sell it and get feedback And I'd tweak some things and make it sell it and feedback and then I finally got to one that I felt really comfortable with 2014 nfl season I'm working on one of their players. They connect me with the trainer Joe Joe says hey, why don't you come out to our first preseason game and bring as many theragons as you can bring So I show up with 22 of these in these big sample canvas bags and I flop it down in the hotel lobby and These guys are paying cash for the product and think about who was on the team in 2014 Everyone all the players got one. Yeah, so I leave I'm thinking that was amazing I'm gonna at the time guys. I was trying to use this on my clinic in my in my on my patients in my clinic I was talking to other kairos and other physios But that was a hard sale because they're like how much is it? What can I bill for it? Who do I use it on? What's the protocols?  I'm using it. Thank you very much So that that trajectory Took us I wouldn't don't think I'd be on the phone with you guys had it not been in these athletes hands So from 2008 to 2015 I made those different versions. I met my business partner in 2015 But more importantly, I think it's really important. I I want to share this When I started doing this I would get laughed out of rooms I would as asked to leave golf ranges. I was asked to leave tennis matches like get out of here That's too loud.  And and I didn't realize it, but I was creating this massage gun space Every day my goal was to treat someone I wasn't making a goal every day to create this space. It was a byproduct And so now you look on the market. There's hundreds of these everywhere A lot of them is still our attachments They pay us royalties because they still are attachments and we have a good legal team that takes care of that stuff But when I met my business partner in 2015, we launched the g1 in 2016 The minute we launched the g1 we started working on g2. We launched g2 in august of 17 Worked on g3 before we launched g2 and launched g3 in 2018 And now we're under generation for products and we've evolved into Thera body with cbd and all this other stuff and it's It's been an amazing ride, but I have to say We just started I think with Thera body our new motors and cbd like we're now ready to do what we can do as a company I love what you I mean, that's amazing And I really want entrepreneurs to understand that you really took a a cultivation approach, right? We're so focused today on growth metrics on users on whatever the vanity metric might be And what you did is you took this, you know, what what a lot of entrepreneurs would view as immense patience, right?  I'm coming back next year to improve it and that type of cadence I think is really important and not not told enough In terms of the community And so it's beautiful. I appreciate that. I didn't have anyone to follow And and I didn't I had a gut feeling that this was going to do something There was some power this thing had every time I touched it.   When can I have it again?  I'm gonna go back to being a chiropractor two days later A guy who's now a really good friend of mine Knocks on my door. I live in Manhattan Beach to get to my door. You have to know where I live I mean you have to walk behind a house and down this path and I'm in the bathroom and my daughter comes and says dad, there's a guy at the door. Who who what guy? I don't know. He's asking for you. I come out and there's this guy standing there. I'm like, hey, he goes Dr. Jay. I was like, yeah He said I'm down on the Beach training Alex Rodriguez And we lost somehow one of the batteries in the sand and we can't find it And I googled you and your house happened to be right here You happen to have a battery and I was like Kidding me I just swore this thing away and now Alex Rodriguez wants a battery That's amazing I could tell you little stories like that where the universe sort of nudged me like Hey, you can't drop this And I'm being real about that there there were many times where there was another power that just said you can't leave this And so I thought here we go again I had so many opportunities to treat different people but It happens all the time it happened two days ago. I Where I'm like, is this really going to happen? Can I do this and You just have to stay committed. I learned a long time ago when I was young character Character is the ability to follow through with the decision After the emotion of making the decision is gone And I just held myself to that standard Like I committed to do this I'm going to do this So I don't think anyone that starts any business is expecting it to be easy But I also didn't understand how hard it was going to be Oh man, I really love that. I really I love this is exactly why we started this podcast For these conversations and I think very few people are They don't want to talk about imposter syndrome They don't want to talk about the times they almost walked away and and they had someone important nudge them Whether it's you know, someone showing up at your door or a parent or an investor or just someone At the very last day of you closing down Is a such a fan of your product and calls you and says, hey, are you looking for investors? I'm willing to put in 50,000, you know, and at that time it's everything It's everything that you need to say. I knew I wasn't delusional. I knew it. I knew it I had this feeling and now I have to continue I think that is there's two things when people ask me how I was able to get through this it was persistence Consistency and delusion Yeah, I believe that this was going to be everywhere in the world. How would you rank those out of all three of those? I honestly it's a rotating list You know in the morning sometimes it's just consistency. I I I have to do this routine You know when i'm standing at a nhl one of the first nhl summer conferences I went to and i'm the only person with with standing there with cutter one of my good friends and and our the vp The company and we're standing there at the nhl conference summer meetings with this and a brand new tool and people are laughing at us You have to be delusional You have to kick in that's what's got to be the first so I'll be honest with you guys. I didn't think of those things consciously I did think of consistency and persistence. I knew those two things would happen I just realized later on I was delusional How did you take the step to at some point? I imagine you have enough of these market signals right enough with this going where you have to mass produce Did it happen? Did that happen gradually or did a bunch of people just you kept getting the signals Or maybe a lot of the professional athletes and and you were just like I got to make a million of these I got to make 500 000 of these it was uh, that's a great question. So in 2000 In 2014 that the the ones that I'd sold to the patriots The manufacturer that was making those products for me. It's kind of funny I didn't dictate how many I was making neither did anyone else. It was the manufacturer I was like, what's the minimum amount I can buy Because I don't have any money. What's the minimum I can buy and they said you have to buy a thousand And I said can I put a deposit down on 500? Ship me the 500 and I'll commit to the extra of the 500 So I had 500 and guys And I could tell you stories about having to rent a u-haul and I had to buy out one of my partners because she was being dishonest And I had to take a sheriff with me to go with a u-haul to get the rest of my inventory I mean to get to where I was when I met my business partner Um, the number of units that a manufacturer could make wasn't on my mind. It was just how I knew I could sell everyone I got So when I met my business partner in 2015 The first part of 2016 is when we started putting numbers together Okay, how many can we really make and how many can this manufacturer that I've communicated really make And so one of the first times we placed an order. I think their minimum quantity order was Like 10,000 or something and I was like what I can't commit to that many. How many that's so many people That's a byproduct of kind of the not meaning that the number that you have to order is a byproduct of kind of what we were doing And who we were working with So when we created the g2 pro Obviously we created tooling and You know our own motor and a bunch of different things that we created with that product and at that time We were just banking on the fact that our marketing could sell the numbers that we're rolling in as we brought them in Did you ever think so one thing I always think about like the human condition is Just like a mouse who will always find the cheese, right? I think a human for the most part will always get to their destination And and if we assume that to be true Which I certainly do then it's a function of like, where do you choose as your destination? And so sometimes I'm like, maybe if that first round was 20 million I probably would have hit it. It would have been a maybe more hard But you would have at least found a way, right? Yeah At least that's that's how I always think about it. I like that mentality. It makes a lot of sense I I certainly think so but at the same time so I just got the product myself The elite which I I I didn't have any former ones, but everyone says it's it's super. It's been the quietest one I don't have anything to compare it to but it seems quiet for me. I play a lot of tennis a tremendous amount of tennis and typically it's like I'm stretching for hours after in order to keep playing we're doing like two hours every single day Yeah, and it's pretty intense But when I got there again, it was the first time that I felt at least the next day Great. It was like I woke up. I wasn't sore my feet didn't hurt stepping on, you know getting off the bed stepping on the ground Which was shocking to me And I don't know if you can tell us like some of the science or at least some uh So I read tom brady's pliability book, right? And I was like, okay, that make this is starting to make some sense to me I don't know if pliability plays a role here But any anything you can just share with us about why it works I've certainly felt the effects, but I can't explain it to anybody well Just a little background on that when I first started doing this I had buckets full of anecdotal experiences, you know, I could go down the list of I worked on slone stevens and I went to the to indian wells and and I The one of the trainers I was in there working on her and one of the trainers slid the the curtain back You got to get out of here. That thing's too damn noisy But I it was those experiences that that kind of led to these different opportunities if that makes sense and watching this happen with An athlete and then taking that same thing and watching it happen in my clinic I started realizing like there's something happening here But I couldn't google it And and if you googled percussive therapy, you know, four or five years ago, there wasn't anything on the market So I didn't really have a lot of science to lean on I was watching what happened and because I was a chiropractor and I got to work in these fields I felt like I kind of had a mobile lab You know, I'd go from my clinic and I'd work in my clinic on everyday people and then in 2013 and 14 I was working with nascar richard petty's race team and I would fly to the race work on the team Work on the driver and they're saying the same thing that my clinic patients are saying that aren't really active And I'm thinking what is this So, you know innovation always leads science Because you're always innovating and then you have to validate it later on Yeah, I didn't know that concept But I that's what was happening and I just sort of proved tesla did it Benjamin franklin did it. They just make these things and then you have to come back and validate it So that's what we did we we made this stuff and now I have this collection of of theories And so when I first started doing this in 2016 We launched our first study with usc and usc compared us to some of the other products on the market And they said we were significantly better at increasing blood flow Which increases oxygenation And increasing the body's ability to move or stretch or range of motion Man, that was so valuable to me at the time Fast forward now. We have 22 studies with different academic institutions around the world Validating the science. So now with that understanding I'm super proud to say that we've created more science than a lot of other companies any other company in this space And we lead our products are scientifically validated And I can say that whether I'm talking to Johnny p code who's the head trainer for man you or the head trainer for arsenal or gunner peterson or the guy that's in charge of the patriots They ask what's the science? So what it does basically when you say that is Our bodies break down Lactic acid is toxins that sit inside your body and those toxins will will eat away I'm just making this really simple. They'll eat away at the tissue So when you wake up in the morning, you have to get the blood flowing to get rid of that lactic acid or that first second Third day burn you have When you work out you break down tissue the toxins are left in your body What ferrigan does is three things It's hitting your body at a speed that actually overrides the pain signals to your brain. So it's not painful You're hitting the tissue It's going deep enough into the tissue that it's causing something that's called mechanical transduction Which is mechanical heat. So now it that heat draws blood there and when you bring blood to that area You're bringing oxygen oxygen and lactic acid for lack of a better term Oxygen and lactic acid cannot be in the same space So when you bring oxygen in with new blood flow, it pushes the lactic acid out They they can't live together. So now you have clean pure oxygen to that area Now your body can heal the last thing in one of the most important components Our body cannot recover unless we are in parasympathetic state Parasympathetic state is rest and digest And when you're using this on your body It's calming the nervous system and telling your brain go to rest and digest and let's heal now so the very best I remember I had an NFL guy I won't say his name because I don't like kissing and telling but I worked on an NFL guy And he was getting ready for camp And the first day I worked on him really deep after a workout He came back the next day with his eyes like this. He's like dude I don't even feel sore And that's one of the best sales techniques I've had is just let me do this to you and tell me how you feel tomorrow Yeah, 100% from your perspective too. I mean An amazing milestone. You guys just hit you're endorsing athletes now How does that feel? I mean as an entrepreneur, right? You this is your baby. How how does that feel? It doesn't Doesn't register like it doesn't make sense. I just had a really really great conversation with Maria Sherpova and we're talking about you know recovery and I'm telling you guys I pinch myself all the time, you know, we have some some really cool athletes and and you know when we worked with Antonio Brown He made some concessions financially so that he could work with us And and that's not something you expect, you know, these guys have a brand and they have a name but It really says a lot about what our product does that they just want to get behind it. And so I'm humbled. I sometimes don't know what to do with it I've worked with, you know, some of the best athletes in the world and I don't they're a body, you know laying face down on a chiropractic table. It's a body I treat them the same way I do anyone else and the really good thing about it is hysteria doesn't care if the science works whether you're Cristiano Ronaldo or my mom it just works. And so I think seeing these athletes come on I'm excited because it just allows us to share the message with more people and that really is what it boils down to for me For sure. And and as we just talked about how you view these as you know, it's just bodies the new company recently rebranded to Thera body You're releasing CBD oils, topical oils, ointments. Give us a sense of Is TheraGun TheraBody just trying to own the recovery space? Is that how you view, you know, the next five years? of the company? Yeah, I think I don't know that we're arrogant enough to say we want to own anything We know what we have and we feel like this has a place in everyone's life But we also understand that it's not the do all be all fix all and in 2018 as we grew rapidly in 2016 we got to 45 countries or 2018 I traveled around to I had a world tour and I went to 42 cities and 17 countries. It was nuts. And I started understanding This the concept I tell you just second ago about That this science works on anyone.  I realized it didn't matter And so I was having this conversation one business partner and and we had these goals of being Bigger and having a broader reach and we realized TheraGun was a device It's not a culture. It's not a thought process And so we recognized as we we started adding different Services that they were all natural wellness solutions that we could offer people But TheraGun didn't represent what we did as a company. It was a device and so we thought You know, let's look for a better name and guys It's one of the things we talk about some of these angels that are watching over us When we landed on the name TheraBody First thing you do is search. Is that available? It was available TheraBody.com is available. What? Then TheraBody on instagram was available. What and then TheraBody had never been registered in the state of california. What? So we were like, okay, that that's what it is So TheraBody really represents Our goal of providing wellness natural solutions for you to be able to use on yourself We are not so reliant on Our medical system. I mean, especially now with COVID people have the opportunity to treat themselves So we offer TheraGun is still our percussive therapy devices and that will always be that We just launched Thera1 our CBD line. I can tell you more about that So with percussive therapy in the TheraGun division Thera1 CBD We felt like TheraBody representing those is a much more applicable concept So I I know like if we were to create like a triangle of Peak athletic performance it would be at one point you'd have training and at the other point you'd have nutrition And at the other point you'd have recovery and with recovery. It's such a It's almost outsized, you know, because we always think about training as a way to get better get faster Stronger whatever it might be, but if you don't have the other two and especially if you don't have Recovery working in conjunction with the other two you have nothing you you won't be able to Increase your training, but I did see that you had to push your release of Thera1 Because of COVID, you know, what was that decision like and was that something that you had to just make quickly? as in terms of decision-making and How did that affect any release that that you just did now? It affected it in a big way. I mean we had Man, you guys if I could we could take another this could be in a whole other podcast If you think about this as a company, we knew we were going to launch on March 15th That's the same day. New York shut down. That's the same day. Everyone said, okay, the world's on shutdown My business partner and I were with our pr firm and some other employees in New York And New York started it started creeping up on New York. And I remember I woke up Friday morning the 12th or 13th Having breakfast with my business partner. He's like we we got we got to shut this down. Like what are you talking about? I was leaving for Europe to go on this eight city tour France Paris London Frankfurt and we'd all we'd been setting up for weeks this pr tour So I'm like, wait, what are you talking about? It can't possibly be that bad He flew back to la. I went to did a qvc on saturday. I flew back to la on sunday We started talking we're like we got to shut this down. We got to start working from home So when you ask how that was it was stunning It stunned us like we'd put in all this work and literally the same day or the same weekend It's like this hits So we thought okay. Well, you know what I'm not joking when I say this I always say where there's resistance. There's blessings Where there's resistance. There's positive and I say go towards resistance And that really had to put my money where my mouth was Okay. Well, this means something And so I we thought okay. Well, let's take a step back And we were going to reposition and figure this out. Well at the same time Suddenly now we had an opportunity to donate a bunch of our inventory to hospitals Because of the kovat and how much they were working So that started to take off and then we started working with other hospitals and and it was a really cool experience So we just we had a chance to kind of catch our breath and realize, okay Let's launch later. But la man. Let's crush that launch And so we just geared up it affected us in a in a much different ways From inventory to shipping our manufacturing was shut down at certain points because of kovat It's been scary guys. I'll be honest with you. It's been really scary, but we've been able to make it through You know back to what you were saying a minute ago Diego about Relationships and the long run That's really what held up for us at that time is the relationships we had and we had such strong relationships It allowed us to cultivate those even more One of the things we do at Therragon is we we kind of go through this process We build a relationship of trust we support and then we educate and that could apply to a company An influencer it could apply to you guys We build a relationship of trust from that relationship of trust you can build on top of that So the launch was going to be march 15th and we realized that wasn't going to happen and we had to pivot And I think one of the things we've been able to do because my business partner and a lot of the people that are in Managerial positions We're involved in a daily basis and we made a commitment on monday the 15th That in order for us to be nimble and and and successful we had to over communicate So my business partner and I immediately started planning. When are we gonna have company meetings? We need to have them repetitively enough so that people are sharing the information We got on and had a big company meeting a zoom call where we said, okay guys, these are the new rules We just did our best, you know, I don't know if it was the right way for anyone else, but it was definitely the right way for us Um, we were able to kind of get through that and and now we launched, you know With all our products we're getting ready to launch the the cbd line Has there been like a silver lining because I know at least from my perspective I now I had to work out at home now i'm stretching at home now I can't order a foam roller because amazon's telling me it'll be here by november And i'm like all of a sudden it just intensified my need for recovery, right? And it's like the gyms are closed So I don't know if there's been a silver lining where now that people have been forced to to figure out their workout routine in a different way Recovery all of a sudden naturally emerges as an option, right?  What now? And then we realized wow, we've got something that could really support these hospital workers So we donated to over a hundred hospitals around the world Wow, and then that sort of led into the idea of these hospital workers were discovering. Oh, this isn't just for patients This is for me And then we started recognizing people had different new habits I was on an interview with someone and I said think about the best lacrosse player in the world If I took him and I now put him on a golf course He's using different muscles. It doesn't matter. He's an amazing athlete. He's a lacrosse player These different muscles are now going to be sore Well, let's scale that down now and you have just the everyday joe who doesn't work out sitting at his desk all day Now he's got to work from home He's probably not showering at the same time. He's not eating at the same time He's not sitting in the same chair He's not the movements are different his his head position is different and now suddenly two or three weeks into this You have people are in pain And pain is an amazing motivator So that's when we had this dip and then it came back up people started searching I need something that I can treat myself. I can't go see my physio massage therapists can't work anymore I can't even have someone come to my house And now where do what do you do with your pain? Where do you go? our reference or our Our difference was oh, I'll just go to massage therapists. I'll order a soothe or I'll order a I'll go to hand and stone wherever you're going to get this treatment It's not available anymore. So to your point Diego. It was people started Reaching out like hey, I got to get one of these like they started understanding the math It's it's 500 bucks. Well, I would spend more than that right now to have someone treat me And by the way, this is gonna be in your life forever. It's not a massage therapist that leaves your house So it was this trickle sort of process that got down and You know, I I think a buddy of mine said He's a sales rep for weights and stuff And he said there's not a dumbbell in the world right now. That's not in a home If you wanted to buy a 25 pound dumbbell, you're not getting it So I think this that also tells us that people are doing different movements different workouts You know people that are running that hadn't run before people that are riding their bikes that that wasn't their source of exercise So suddenly now on a mass scale People are sore And pain's a good motivator and suddenly our seo's search was crazy So we just needed to you know, it was it was like That whole thing you build it they will come, you know, we just it just sort of happened and then I think one another thing too is the messaging of who we were and what we are as a company Just resonated with people once covid hit Because we have education We have a sincere desire to help you do more of what you love and that comes through in our brand You know, I run Theragun University. We have at our at our company. I'm I can't wait to hand that off to someone else because it's a big chore, but it actually covers sports science and we have Three different levels like a university have 100 level 200 level and 300 level courses. They're online You can get online and take the course So we we actually spent a lot of time creating these digital assets through through covet, you know, we One guy and myself it's in the front of a camera And I'd record some things and we realized that the gyms needed it You know gold started teaching online berries boot camp started teaching online Well, what are these people doing at their house for recovery? They needed something So I'm getting me on my cell box, man. Now. Now. I love it. I'm curious to see if you have any data to Put a correlation between your customers and how they Move through the Thera body system. So like do do you know if they there's a correlation between them buying the Theragun And then moving to Thera one or any order?  It's like a light switch guys They feel it and then immediately they they want more I was just with my buddy at his gym and I walked in and there was an end One of the NBA players for the Lakers was standing there and he's like, dude, I love your thing And it's they they see that and they recognize it. It's something you've never felt before And when you feel it it opens up a paradigm And now you know that's there you have to have more of it So when they when people process through a system, it's usually just like a lot of other things You know, if you don't know who we are and you saw us on instagram By the second or third time, you're like, what is this and finally you click And once they kind of get in we want them to understand this isn't about selling We don't sell we share we share information. We share science. We share success stories And honestly, it feels kind of like if you look at all we have to offer You're kind of an idiot if you don't buy one I mean, so it's like, oh wow that where it helps with this and it helps with that and I should probably get one of these One of the things we felt obligated with too is is making the different versions because You know, it's not some people don't need all the accessories that comes with our pro model You know, you don't need the two batteries and you don't need all the attachments and stuff and we recognize that so We we made different levels that were affordable But it's like an ipad or a bmw. They just had different versions of five series of three series and seven series Well, we just needed to offer these to different people Young kids playing in little leagues like they're not going to buy the pro their mom's parents are going to spend 500 bucks on that but to be able to offer that so We probably do have some data on that on on how people Are channeled through our system, but it's one of the things I got to say we've noticed is We have really really supportive Customers, you know that will someone will say something dirty on nasty or ugly on instagram and Bam, there's like 15 other people that answer the question. We don't even have to do be the ones doing it So I think it's I think people What we've tried to do and I'm being so honest when I say this is we've tried to Meet or exceed with our packaging to our messaging And our experience in the app We've tried to match all of that to the way you feel when you feel ethereum One of the things that you know, you've said you've said so many things that I just resonate with me when we first started this podcast We really just wanted to solve A few things one we wanted to inspire entrepreneurship through truth as we as we mentioned to you and then the second thing was Just being on a podcast of any following as a founder Like if let's pretend you just started your company it gives you a sense of oh i'm on my way Right, even if we had two listeners and so the the thing I saw with entrepreneurs like oh, wow This is amazing and then for me personally it made me want to how can we help more? How can we grow this podcast to be able to get this company? Way more attention because what I think they're doing is amazing And one of the things that we're doing is we're closing on a building on Santa Monica Boulevard And in the front will be a coffee shop. We're literally putting a food truck inside That food truck was on our podcast and then behind it So there's going to be a menu that door will open you'll enter a room that room is going to be products that are on a rotating basis from this podcast And it's and it's just exactly what you said. It's a way like the reset center. It's pure education It's this almond milk is amazing because it has four ingredients this theragun is amazing because feel it Don't let me tell you feel it right and we'll just go through the line this product this product this product And to us it's exact. It's not it's not about making money It's just about being able to help a community that we're all a part of And how cool right and like how cool is that? And so just from this little seed of let's start a podcast to where we're going It's so it's so cool man. And you know what you're sharing. It just it's exciting And I hear what you're saying. It's not about the economics Economics will come you just have to be able to build a structure. I I I hear you Yeah, yeah, man and everything that what you've been saying it just resonates and it's like I believe you and you know And that sounds crazy, but we talked to a lot of entrepreneurs and you don't always believe them You don't always realize why they're in it Everyone's on their personal journey. It doesn't always happen naturally, but it does take I think at a point a certain person to realize Maybe this is bigger than me. Maybe this has nothing to do with capitalism Maybe we just need to make people happy and the way I do that is by bringing x to them And and that's it and it's like yeah, anyway, you said something That actually has been pretty profound for me I learned early on, you know in in like 2010 or 11 that this isn't about me You know those times that I wanted to quit it was there was something else pushing me And I learned really quickly that I was a conduit and I had to honor that It was more about What am I supposed to do? and honoring that That thing that was pushing me it wasn't about me making money or building this business. It was like Okay, I have to do this to make this grow. Okay. I need to do this to make it grow I can I appreciate what you're saying because it It isn't about me and I think you'll you'll hear people that are around me understand that it I'm shocked. I'm humbled. I'm amazed at what this does because this is way beyond me And I and I'm reminded of that this is there's some power behind this and it's not me I love it. Well, look, I know we're almost at time We'll end with two questions one tell everyone obviously where they can find you where they can get the product all that good stuff Yep, therabody.com Used to be theraguns but therabody.com our instagram is therabody And we have several of those in different countries that are also on there. I'm Dr. Jason Worsland on instagram Someone told me that I need to start a tiktok and I haven't done that yet Yeah, you might have a good a good tool for it. The theragun might be might be ready. It could do some dancing. I would have managed The the last question and I'm really excited to ask you this Because I just I just love this conversation. But but dr. J. How is it that you want to be remembered? I Hope that people remember me as someone that wanted to help That I was my resourcefulness and my experiences in life Put me in a situation where I could help as many people as I could and This theragun started out as the language of that I don't necessarily want them to I don't want to be remembered by theragun. I'm sure I will be at some point but I want them to be I want to be remembered for the reason Not not the product Yeah, I love it. I love it. Ah, yeah chills. Thanks so much for coming on the podcast doctor. Thank you very much Thanks, you guys. This is fun. And I'm serious.  So that's probably not completely true but I don't I hadn't really thought about podcasts or all those things but I realized the power of these And I realized you guys have a hundred people you could talk to and to take your time and Coordinating and setting this up. I really appreciate it because we don't have a voice Our voice is just magnified with yours and I I think that's a We appreciate it a lot. I look forward to these And and I love the fact that you guys have the the sort of this concept that you have It allows us to need to talk about these things that really are what put me where I'm at And it it's It's real to me and I appreciate you guys doing this It's our pleasure This was a podcast that we were really looking forward to because Diego and I are both very Into athletics and and former athletes at a very high level And so this is something near and dear to our hearts as well. I appreciate it you guys. Thanks so much