The following is a presentation of TFNN Trade what you see With Larry Pezzavento Call now toll free at 1-877-927-6648 or Internationally at<PHONE_NUMBER> Now Larry Pezzavento Okay, I'm looking good Billy Ray feeling good Lewis. We have a new Chart to show you today folks It's Shopify and the reason why one of our listeners up in Canada Mike has asked us to look at the chart because evidently one of the key Executives has disappeared for a Shopify from news reports, but as you can see here There's no no sign of this in the In the chart itself because we just completed a Gartley and you can see where we've you know We're heading up to a cell Gartley in this thing, too But there's no reason to think anything sinister has happened here, so I don't know what that is hold on one second here I'm trying to We've got Mike on the line right now Mike. How are you? Hey, hi there Larry happy Black Monday anniversary Yeah, Black Monday it was I can certainly remember that yep It sure was a lot of memories Conditions as it was in October 19th 1987 here in Toronto blue sky calm weather about 20 Celsius That's warm day calm wind, you know nice and sunny Unfortunately, I was expecting at least a 2000 point drop in the Dow Jones today. Oh, no no those anniversary dates don't come in very often my friend You you literally alerted us to this thing on Shopify, but the chart doesn't look like anything's wrong with the company I mean, I did they ever find the executive or not? No, he he's just disappeared. It's amazing. This guy went to U of T. He took an advanced risk management course He's got the CFA worked for a Canada Revenue Agency in Ottawa he stellar stellar LinkedIn profile and I was looking at the parallels in 2008 with Fannie Mae where they're top treasurer I mean same status is this guy here the director of finance the chief treasurer blew his brains out just before you know Fannie Mae crashed, you know And then just like in July 2008 when the chief financial officer of layman brothers. She abruptly quit Okay, and it's just like Enron back in and you know, 2000 2001 These sudden suicide, you know of all these top top executives, you know now I'm starting to think maybe just maybe Shopify it's a house of cards Well, it doesn't look like it from the chart my friend. So don't get too bearish on it Well, I'm always working hard as that TFNN cub reporter, you know, you got it Okay, well, you got your badge and you've got your baseball cap on the wrong way. I think you're right in the ballpark my friend Speaking of baseball, I think the Braves are gonna win. I Don't think so, but that's just my Yeah, okay, whatever you say I respect your opinion however wrong it may be Okay, so hey Mike, thanks for calling in pal. We appreciate it. Keep your reporting coming in Okay, folks, let's take a look here. We've got a new baby in the house I hope you all realize that we now have a Bitcoin futures up. I'm gonna bring it up here It's how they started trading the symbol is Bitto bi to now remember when we started trading futures back and the Bitcoin futures This is the ETF by the way, not the futures It's not the bit the Bitcoin futures that started trading in January of 2019 When Bitcoin was me remember the top of the bubble at 20,000 and we're from 20,000 we went down to 3,000 we dropped over 85% and now we've got this one coming out Are we gonna drop down 85% or not? I don't know but I wanted to point this out to you You'll see from the early morning high that we made up there at 42 20 we came down We rallied up to a 382 retracement at 41 40 then came down and it made the 1.618 expansion down there at 40 15 The reason why that's important those of you that follow the ABCD structure Which we do here at TFNN for trading trade what you see You'll notice here that we made the ABCD structure down here So that's only down, you know, roughly 5% from the high so the next rally I should be about the 80 cents taking you up to about 80 60 at 40 sit 40 86 now I'm just bringing these to your attention because we see them happen all the time now We're having this huge rally here going into the stock market I wanted to bring it to your attention because of the fact that we talked about this yesterday when we were on The air that if you wanted to pick something to sell pick the actual Russell now if you remember and I'm sure you all do You'll see here that we have this pattern Where we broke down hard and then you'll notice the B pattern right there in the middle of that ABCD The B pattern right there at 2270 that was right out of 382 from there We backed off and then between the last night and today we exploded up and made a 78% Retracement and then you can see what's happened to the Russell. It's dropped from 22 87 all the way down to 2260 now, that's the case where the mark, you know This is a weaker than market stock because the Nasdaq the Dow Jones and the S&P are all much stronger So you want to sell the weakest? That's the key to looking at what you're doing when you're doing some of these things So I hope that helps it's hard to remember But it's right out of Jesse Livermore's book and also W. D. Gann and probably a whole lot other people Bernard Baruch for one thing in his book The autobiography called my own story. So that's it now Let's go back and look at a market they were watching last week if you remember this was exactly it was when it was happening I don't know anything about Facebook other than what I hear in the news, which is nothing, but you'll notice at that point right there at 318 We were setting at the exact 78% retracement We were on the air when this was happening and we were showing you that the 1.618 expansion that all of it came in Right at that level and now you can see that we've had a rally. We've gone from we've rallied 5% We've gone from 318. Oh, I don't know where it is today, but as of yesterday It was 335 this is this is one of the stronger rallies that we've had and that's also in an ABCD structure To the upside so that's all I'm showing you folks that these things work. That's why I look at these things You know If you have you if you wonder why they work that floor trader's handbook will prove to you mathematically Without a shadow of a doubt why they work and why they repeat over and over do they repeat 100%? Absolutely not but they repeat enough to give you a better idea of what's really happening now Let's take a look at this same pattern that we've a trade that we've been involved in right here at that TFNN for our 24-7 folks. It's a trading at 33 33 39 40 bow tells me so it's up another four or five bucks for Facebook here is the The pattern in the euro you'll notice we backed off Just a few days ago making a nice little ABCD pattern there at 111 1575 we went up today. We made the target within two ticks that came in at the 116 97 level that was a perfect ABCD and We booked a nice profit on that because that's what we're trading. We're trading an ABCD We know what our risk is and we know what we're trying to accomplish when we're ready to do this So that's why we're watching it so very very closely the reason why I pointed the Bitcoin shot out The bit bit toe is because we need to follow that just to prove to the folks that are listening here how these patterns work I mean they go up and down with these numbers, you know, just like magic if you remember We were in the crude oil yesterday and we had the huge break in crude look at the rally back folks Just take a look at this exactly to the 78 percent level. We'll be right back eight seven seven nine two seven six six four eight You might think that if you want to be successful at trading in the stock market You're going to need a crystal ball after all it's impossible to predict the future, right? 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I posted the the AI along with the E-mini S&P overlay Showing you the ABCD patterns up there at 4509 That completes an ABCD if you like ABCD, you know where you stand if you're looking at that It gets above 4514, you know, you're certainly wrong. We're watch it really closely at that 4509 4510 That'll happen in the next 15 or 20 minutes actually while we're while we're on the air I'm hoping we have Stan Harley on today folks But he's traveling his son got married in Westlake Village over the weekend And he's going back and forth between Arizona, New Jersey and Westlake Village So we're hoping to get him if not, we'll have him It's very very soon. He loves coming on the show and we love having him So we'll have him taking a look now getting back To the ABCD and some of the patterns that we've been looking at and talking about and one of them, of course Has been the soybean market We had some beautiful patterns in the soybean market for a bottom coming in and as you can see here We did the same thing in the soybeans as we did in the euro We went up and we actually made our target today. That was over a thousand dollars In the s&p about 850 in the euro. We gave a tiny bit back In the stock index futures I mean really tiny but that was That was something we really we posted with a big caution Because we mentioned that if you're going to sell anything sell the weakest and the euros the the weakest of the four indices has been the Russell so that's the one you want to sell but there's your ABCD Now we'll wait for a nice pullback. We're going to buy the beans again When we get a nice pullback to the 382 is what we're looking at as we look at some of these things now Moving to a market that has made probably a major bottom here folks And if you like ABCD patterns and you like trading with the trend Here's one that we've been looking at for quite some time now. This is the natural gas Now realize we've come down from 64 66.4 Down to 4.8. That's a drop folks Of 18 thousand dollars In a matter of 10 trading days Now you notice that the ab leg Took five days to go down the cd leg has taken four days to go down We've already rallied 20 dollars off the bottom today down there at that 482 level folks So this is probably a major bottom here the natural gas So we're watching it very very closely. We put we posted the interday charges on that yesterday Giving you an indication They were probably going to get to this level and so we're here today And we've had a pretty good rally off of this telling us that yes, that's pretty good. Now if you miss that bottom Do what we did in the euro and do what we did in the soybeans find a place for retracement You know how to do that by now. Come on boys and girls. You can do this without any trouble at all There's nothing really mysterious about it now Those of you when we were talking about some of these foreign exchange things Yesterday we mentioned the canadian dollar. We certainly mentioned it In the newsletter and in the video that I sent out, but here is the pattern we were watching in the canadian dollar You can see it just spot on there's where it was now if you watched it really closely in that canadian dollar And we always do that here For our folks is to watch to see how the market reacts to it now here it is on a 15 minute chart As it was making a bottom now, there's nothing mysterious about this You can see a beautiful butterfly pattern You have the abcd pattern there now If the b leg would have been lower than the a leg that would have been a three drive to a bottom pattern because it's not It becomes a butterfly now the butterflies are important because you need to watch them at two levels One is the 1.27 like we had here or if it continues down You have to watch it again at the 1.618 now You either do two trades there or you wait for one of the two options Now I would assume because we were looking at this on a daily basis That you would go with the 1.27 because that's the one that lined up Perfectly with the daily and that's where the ratios come in and I I I tried to someone asked me that question That's why I'm trying to answer it for you. Which one do you pick? Well, you go to your daily and see you're sitting there right at that abcd there at the 123 50 level and when the when the The 15 minute goes to that level that ought to ring a that ought to ring a bell So that's uh, that's why we're paying close attention to these things It's no different than what we were doing when we looked at that facebook chart and I have I have never traded facebook I don't even they don't even belong to facebook But that's that's what you're looking at is you're just trying to get these Ratios to come to an area where you think you've got a pretty good chance Of doing something now. Let's take a look here at the german backs. We'll get this up here and you'll be able to see here You know where we are here. We've got this four-hour chart We've got lower highs going way back into early september Every major high has been lower. We've had this little bit of a bounce To the upside today didn't relate very much. It's a four-hour chart So it needs to get above a 15600 or remember art art market is so different than the other markets You have to take that into consideration Even though they tag along for a day or two they'll trade on their own merits That's I don't think there's any question about that So we need to pay very very close attention to that Now I want to get back to that footsie for just a minute because you know Boris Johnson has been on the tube here Bloomberg and CNBC talking about the climate change and remember the climate change meeting is going to be held in Glasgow Scotland here pretty soon And so the British Empire will have their best clothes on that day to see what's going to happen and change all the Rules of the world as far as green peace or whatever the cows are going to move to or whatever Anyway, let's uh there you can see here on the uh the footsie that it's had a pretty good rally and he affects it Much more than the german market and I guess the german market is affected by the elections And so those are a couple things that we're going to be Paying very very close attention to as we look at some of these things Now folks the treasury bond market is in big trouble It's down again today. We had that little four-day rally Uh, actually three-day rally up to that almost to the one it hit hit hit 160 6 And now we're back down into the 158 and soon as we get below 158 folks The next thing you'll be looking at in the treasury bonds will be 153 interest rates are going higher They're not going lower if you remember last year at this time They were certainly telling us we were going to have zero interest rates no problem at all All across the world that made a great deal of sense where you give somebody your money And they're not even going to give it all of you back and they're not even going to give you a guarantee You're going to get any of it back that goes back to bernard baruch's favorite saying is don't be concerned on the return on your money Be concerned on the return of your money capital preservation is first and foremost in all of these markets And that's why we use stops and that's why we use risk control And that's why the patterns work. It's because when they don't work It's screaming at you get out of the way and we saw that yesterday in the s&p once we went about 44 80 Which was the 78 percent retracement of that move There was nothing stopping it once it went above that level folks the next level to look at was new highs and that comes in at 45 I think 45 45 something like that and we could very easily do that you can see the strength that we're we're seeing today and Strength be gets strength folks once these things take off the shorts get scared Their algo traders are there. It's going to take something dramatic to make this move. 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How are you doing today? Good morning larry doing just awesome That's good to hear stan. We are very strong these last couple of days are what are you looking at here? larry, I think we're powering higher here. I think you're going to see record highs. They're very very shortly Yeah, certainly looks like it doesn't it Yeah, that that 34 week cycle that you and I've talked about on the air here a number of times I thought would occur in october um, I was uh Kind of vacillating between the the first and the second week in october And uh, and we got it. We had kind of a divergent structure We had a low on september of the 20th, and then we had a second low on october the fourth Uh, but with the second low had just divergences all over the place In terms of the various benchmark indices as well as advanced decline data And the timing was right. So put it all together and I think we've seen our cycle bottom The path of least resistance is is northbound. I think you're going to see Down the s&p and record high ground here very very shortly Well, certainly that could be in the next 10 minutes my friend I have the new york star the new york stock exchange index made a new high yet. It looks like it's really close to Making an all-time high there at 16 968 yes, uh We uh, we have already seen as you see as you can see on the screen there the dow is almost at A record high ground. It's north of 35 000 and I think Larry I think 40 000 dow industrials is certainly in the cards Not sure we're going to go for this calendar year, but in the not too distant future. Yeah, absolutely Going to see 40 000. Oh Well, I can remember when uh, what was that guy's name? I can't remember He was calling for 40 000 dow when the dow was at 7 000. What was his name? Uh, he's always in the news somewhere. I I he's got a very And uh, that's uh, yeah, and so anyway, it looks like he's going to be uh, he's going to be right That's for sure Stan do you care to share a few memories from 1987 of what happened on this date in 87 what you were doing and And uh, you didn't have the Harley the marley the stock market letter yet. That was a few years later, wasn't it? All right, I didn't start the market report for another 10 years or eight years. I guess it was okay Wow in 87 Los angeles, uh watching channel 22 kwhi. That's all we had back sure sure did. Yeah, that's for sure I remember it very vividly The the uh, if we have time there were a couple other charts. I thought I would share with the audience as well Okay, I didn't You know the thing that I wanted to mention Here is uh, hold on one second They're they're they're they're asking a question. Hold on just one second a question you about in the dam Let me make sure I get this right Um, uh, someone's asking a question. Do you have an opinion on the direction of gold stand before we? Take a look at these other charts I think the metals are in a large basing structure Ultimately, I think we're going to see higher prices but for the intermediate term. I think uh, I think there's could be a little bit of softness ahead But ultimately if if you have a little patience here, I think you probably see the metals push higher But not not in the near term Okay, that looks pretty good. Stan. I have a question back in 87 You know, we had just been trading the stock index futures in april of 82 Were I say 19 excuse me 1982? And uh, the thing that I was going to ask you is were you actively trading the futures at that time during the 87 crash? I was not no. Yeah, I was well taken with equity and options. I was a big big offset trader Yeah I was trading. Uh, well, I was trading futures, but I was not trading the s&p at that time There was no e-mini the big contract started getting pretty expensive about that time Um, yeah, they were still trading the big ones I think the margin on the big contract back then was about 25 000 wasn't it? Uh, yeah, they'll and the towards towards the end of the time at that time in late october It was up until that time it was running around 6000 But then when the crash came, you know, it dropped, uh, You know 30 000 in one day and that was it they said no more of that And so they started raising it and then later on they came up with the e-mini Which was I think in about four or five years later around 91 or 92 I believe the e-mini came in to play and that's been Running I was trading the large uh, the large contracts. I didn't have well You didn't have to have many because for those we equivalent to 40 of them now So 40 s&p now your margin on that's going to be uh pretty close to a quarter of a million dollars You know so it was not for the even then it was not for the small players Stand I remember the options even if you were in stock options I mean the option premiums were just absolutely insane on that day I mean they were you couldn't even get filled. I mean even if you look like your option was zero Nobody would take the other side of it That's that's how I remember that I mean it was the craziest time ever So I was more concerned about getting my money out of my brokerage account than than I was closing in positions And I had a bond position on that I was really nervous about I was long to bonds And they were only down a half a point if I'd have been thinking clearly which I wasn't If how could this bonds only be down a half a point with the stocks down 16 percent boy If that wasn't screaming a real buy and they went up 11 straight days And I I always uh, I'm not well always complain a lot anyway But I remember that as one I wish I had gotten back But I never did back in a math that I never chased it after that and on the right side But no cigar Stan, I only got two charts from you today. Did you have a secondary chart? I'm not sure what happened. Well, it's a chart of the new york composite index something you and I talked about here Just a minute or two ago The uh, the new deposit is in record high ground as you and I speak Yeah, the Dow industrials the s and p 500 are not yet But the the index that is the broadest measure of the new york stock exchange is in record high ground right now So I'm confident that's going to pull the dow industrials and the s and p up along with it Yeah That the fact that it's leading is a big thing because it usually follows and it's leading this time So that's telling you that somebody wants to own this stuff and they happen to be right So you don't want to stand in front of it. That's the way I look at it. That's for sure Listen my friend.  Okay Absolutely, larry. My pleasure. It's my pleasure folks That was stan harley the harley stock market letter if you'd like a copy Just go to the harley stock market letter request it put in the secret code tfnn and you'll be on your way Okay, folks, we're going to have uh go back and take a look at the gold market here A little bit and we're also going to keep an eye on this e mini s and p Just for kicks and giggles so we can see what the market's doing as we walk through these Next half hour of the trading day. I'm still looking at this A bcd pattern as you can see here We're looking for it to get to about that 4509 level so far. We've only been to 4507. We're trading at 4504 right now And we'll be watching this one very very closely Also boy, this natural gas is boy is it moving shut the front door and raise the rent I'll bring this up and show you when we come to the break folks. 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Go to tfnn.com and hit watch tiger tv That's tfnn.com and hit watch tiger tv Hey folks, I posted the chart of silver. This is the daily chart of silver You see the high we made here a couple days ago up there at the 61 percent retracement 2380 all we could do over the next couple of days was dropped down about 60 cents to 23 uh 08 and then today when we took out that high earlier this morning The market just exploded to the upside. We went all the way up to the 78 percent level that came in at 24 20 We're trading at 23 92 now when that was happening gold was only making a 61 percent retracement there at uh 17 1786 exactly i mean hit to the exact x 1786 and from there we dropped about $17 well, I knew at 1786 that you know the risk there was not going to be Too much because we had hit been a high of 1785 90 and you go up and make a new high by By 10 cents and it doesn't go running away from there Gee that tells you what this risk control is all about And that's what these patterns are for because when they fail Then that's what you're looking at now if you were looking at a 61 retracement here in silver and you didn't pay attention to that one You know, you're going to get hammered pretty hard But it goes up to the 78 percent level and if you check it really closely And we're going to do that right now by golly because I think I this could be extremely important may or may not be But we're going to look at it anyway just for kicks and giggles here Let's just move on here. We're still waiting for uh 40 509 and the s and p here But let's get this silver up and just double check to see if that's a 382 On the long term because if that's if that's a 382 That is going to mean a great deal. So bear with me now. I'm doing the calculation now Oh, you can't make this stuff up folks. Give me a break Oh, man, I don't understand this business Yeah, look at this folks the exact 382 the whole move came in at 20 or 20 and I today was 20 or 20 So let's uh pay attention to that because once we get above that Then you want to then, you know, silver is getting ready to go to the take it off But there's where it is right there. That's the high Back in may to the low in october the 382 which was back on the 30th of september was exactly 382 this morning there folks at 24 20 I think that was the exact high. Let's double check it 24 18, let's be corrected 24 18 is the actual actual number and we're trading at 23 91 now That I should have been watching that one a little bit closer. I was watching global But I don't trade silver as much and so I don't didn't get involved with it too much So let's get back here and just talk to our friends here that are watching a bcd for format We'll take a look at this e-mini again for a second And you'll see here that we are still looking at this level here of a of a 4509 There's one other thing that when you're doing these things like this You really need to know what the expansion numbers are You know expand the numbers from the high we made at seven o'clock in the morning when we went from 4504 We dropped 18 handles all the way down to 44 87 And if you take that and this is a type of thing we do on the all-day trading session We'll notice that that 1.27 expansion comes in there also At 45 09 so at 45 09 You know, you have a really good spot to To get it get short you have an abcd there and your stop has got to be Above the 1.618 that would push in at 45 16 So that gives you seven handles or 350 risk and the profit on it would be well over 600 dollars If in fact it would if it does does that so we'll do One thing at a time as we go through Some of these things right now we need to pay. Let's just get back here I'm watching the the bit folks because of the fact that it's going to be one of the best things to trade I really believe that let's just get this up here so we can see it quickly here Yeah, we've already had a nice rally. We got right up where we thought we're going to be Let's get it back here and take a look at it And there you are. Where's the abcd to the downside? Let's get this it hold on just a second here And we're going to do this together so you all get to see it at the same time And there's the abcd Completing down there at 40 11. We've expected it to rally up now We wanted to see what the retracement was from the move back And that retracement came in exactly at 50% so far and that was at 4109 let's just draw this in so you'll be able to to see where we are at that and it was also The 78% retracement of the high that we made back at 41 37 I know this is micro trading folks, but frankly I am just trying to give you as much information as I can about how these markets work They work on the same thing on a four minute chart two minute chart 10 minute chart Dailies weeklies and monthlies. They do it all but the trouble is you know, people don't always see it But that's that's basically what we're what we're trying to do here They they have as much predictive value as they do Unpredictive value because when they don't work That's when they're the most valuable folks because it tells you you don't know what's happening. I remember Uh talking specifically about looking at the russell in the video that I did on sunday I said, you know, watch the russell. It's been the weaker of the market and it continues to be the weaker Let's just double check to see how if that's we if it maybe if it starts getting strong That's tells you that maybe some of the people that are doing the uh, the russell business are not uh Oh, it's actually well. Here's a perfect example. Look what's happened here to the russell here Just recently. Okay. Let's just get it up here After we made that big abcd. Look where we are. Look where the russell is coming to folks. We're getting ready To hit the 78 percent level very very shortly up here get this up here to see it So that's the first time we're starting to see some pretty good Buying coming into the russell where it's coming from doesn't make a whole lot of difference boys and girls What does make a difference is is if it goes beyond it Or stops right there. That's the whole key because at that particular point if it gets to the 78 percent level That's your stop sign And if if it doesn't stop there Hey You know, they're only right about two out of three times And boy, believe me two out of three is pretty good and these in these days and age So we'll uh, we'll keep a very very close eye on these as we as we go through And uh, look at some of these other charts. We're still watching this s&p here at the 4509 to see if it's going to Line up with what we're looking at. Let's take one other quick Gander on check to see where we oh boy. We're almost there. Let's take a look here Oh, this is a tough decision to make boy. This is it boys.  She comes She's coming around the mountain when she comes. So this is it. This is what you love to see you got This is the whole ballgame right here. We should be topping right here for at least, uh The rest of the day here in the next few minutes. Let's see if it works this way or not. I don't know all I know is it It gets above 409 By much more than five points. I know that there's something wrong But we're still watching it there at that 409. I'm going to put the beeper on just in case it comes While we're wow the show is almost over Um Anyway, folks, let's uh, let's watch this today I I looks like we're going to take a break here and then we'll come back Well, we got a couple of minutes, but we're in an area where this should be I'd like to see a little a little pop up there to that four 45 Oh eight level. Uh, the high has been uh, 45, uh, oh seven in a quarter. 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You can call<PHONE_NUMBER> That's<PHONE_NUMBER> Okay, I posted the chart of the euro folks as you can see the apcd pattern there All I've done now is I've connected the old highs that we had by a dark line And you'll notice that that retracement that we're looking here would also line up perfectly with the last retracement that would come in Pretty right at the 382 of the hold down move And so those are a couple things that we're following here You know to get an idea of where to re-enter the long side of the euro because we believe this is beginning of a pretty Substantial move and we want to buy it back. We booked some nice profits today Same thing in the soybeans. They went right up to our level 20 cents higher than where we bought them and so we're watching for a retracement now of about 18 cents In the january being sometime over the next day or two Would allow us to get in at a very very low risk Now your risk sometime missing some of these moves But it's always going to be somebody out there standing on the corner folks with their quarters waiting to get on the bus That's where you want to be keep lots of quarters because uh, you can get on that bus and you'll be just fine Looks like we're lost internet connection here Uh, I don't think anybody can hear me now.  I think the chicken is in the pot and has left the building Elvis has left the building boys and girls. I'm afraid that that is it and the game is not played The way we like to hear it. Does anybody hear me out there? Well, evidently, I thought I'd lost internet connection because I got beepers telling me that uh, I've lost data and everything else. So I guess we're still here Anyway, we'll see you folks on the flip side whenever i'm back. May god bless live every day In an attitude of gratitude and we'll see you soon and keep those cards and letters coming in folks


Hi there, I'm Sandy Olnok, artist and paper crafter here on YouTube, and I'm going to do some no-line coloring today. The stamp set that I'm using today is from Penny Black, and it's illustrated by the amazing Mo Manning. If you have not colored her images before, you will want to do that. And she's got a whole site where she does digis. And if you like to use digis, you can get that and buy a bunch of stamps over there. I like having the actual stamps in hand because I can do things like this type of no-line coloring, which is for me a lot easier than dealing with the printer and trying to print on paper in a toned kind of way, mostly because I have no printer right now, and I haven't for several months now. I have not been able to find a printer that I want to get. I've been trying to get a particular company that I had one for to answer me about the ink that they used to use because I liked the way that it printed. And I want to find out if they're making a replacement printer and they haven't answered. So I just keep running out to my local FedEx to get things printed. So yeah, I prefer having the stamps on hand because then I don't have to deal with the printer deal. Nonetheless, I am working on some Neenah Desert Storm, and this is Neenah. It's not craft paper. Craft paper has, if you buy them, they're called craft. It has a different texture to it, a different makeup of the paper itself. But this is the same as the white Neenah, if you use the solar white like I do. It's just a different color. And what I recommend before you do any coloring on this with Copic Markers like I'm doing, that you actually color yourself a hex chart or a color chart of some kind on that paper because you're going to see the difference in colors. It's really hard to make the color choices. Otherwise, you can keep going over them and over them to darken them, which is kind of what I end up doing somewhat. However, if you have the chart right next to you can refer to colors and see how they dry back because a color that looks really strong when you first put it on ends up drying back significantly because all that moisture that went into the paper is gone. And that means the paper is going to lighten up in coloring on this paper. You can actually really experiment with getting super dark with colors because you have that strong contrast that you need to create and you can get a lot darker and not feel like you're overdoing it. Like you can sometimes on white paper or white cardstock, should I say. So I wanted to keep this in a Christmasy kind of look. So I've chosen some reds and greens, but I'm using all desaturated ones because I wanted it to feel kind of vintage, kind of antique-y. And so I'm using the R8s for the reds and the YG9s for the greens. So that I end up with some really desaturated grayed out kind of colors. This is my favorite R8 and 9 and I'm having my light come from the upper left. And that means the shadow is gonna be way back here on the back of her jacket. And I'm kind of, you know, with my, you can see my marker kind of thinking about where that light's gonna be casting the shadow from the basket down onto her jacket. And you can definitely see the difference in that lightest color going all the way to this R8, 9 darkest color. Because it gets a little bit on the different side as you go from a 3 to a 9 and then using the 5 in the middle and staying with that for the colorway. But one of the things that's happening here and even though I do have my new glasses, I can finally see well again. I'm very excited about that. My vision is going so badly, but I was having trouble seeing. But now I'm all set with new glasses and hopefully that's gonna not become an ongoing problem. My doctor told me that I might have the beginnings of cataracts and I know lots of people have stories about how easy the cataract surgery is, etc. The thing that worries me is the working up to that point and the vision slowly degrading until it's bad enough that you would have that surgery. I don't really have the patience to go through waiting because I'm an artist and I need my eyeballs. But nonetheless, my doctor's on it and she's taking good care of me so no worries there. But I can see well now and I'm very happy with that. So I'm adding darks to my greens and all the different colors in the same kind of a way. Just kind of following where I think the shadows would cast from a light source in the place where she's looking up. So I thought whatever it is she's looking up at is the thing that's going to cast the highlights onto those edges, the highest edges on each of the shapes and then the shadows are on the far side far away from it. And even creating a texture on her hat, you probably can't see a whole lot of it but there is this really interesting knitted type of texture in the stamp and I wanted to recreate that in the marker. It's real easy when you're doing no line coloring to lose a lot of the detail of the stamp and that's one of the reasons why I'm leaving it in the Misti because I'm going to do some re-stamping as I go and just kind of reaffirm some of those lines and figure out what the heck I'm doing because even if I have my new glasses it's still not all that easy to see when you're stamping with a really light color on something like this Desert Storm. So here I'm going to stamp again and you can stamp just a particular area.  The things that are in her basket I think are chestnuts. That's at least what I'm coloring them as. They could be a basket of flowers but I don't know that you'd have a basket of flowers in the winter as she is all dressed up for winter. I kept losing the detail on her basket so I had to keep re-stamping that throughout the process. But when it's in the Misti it's going to relocate that stamp in the exact right place so as long as you can handle having it in the Misti then you're good to go. I do have another sheet of paper underneath of this because otherwise since this is a thick cling stamp I had to take out the pad and everything that's in there and you want to have something absorbent on the opposite side of your Copic coloring. I've had some people ask me if like Tim's Glass Matte is a good thing to use for Copic coloring and I say no because when your ink goes through the paper that's how the blending happens when it bleeds through the back and if you're not getting that bleed through in the back you're really not getting the full benefit of mixing that color within the fibers of the paper. But what happens is when that color goes through the back of it hits something plastic or glass on the other side it may puddle up and push back through the paper again and come back on the other side. So I like to put a piece of something absorbent on the other side even if there's not much that goes through at least it keeps that paper from bleeding all the way through and then having it come back up in an unexpected location. So that's what I have. Another sheet of paper underneath of the Desert Storm paper that I have here. So reaffirming some of my shadows underneath here on her her dress that's underneath her dress that's underneath the jacket all these layers. I love winter, I love layers. I'm so looking forward to the colder weather coming I know I'm weird that way but I love getting all snuggly in a lot of layers and wearing gloves and scarves and hats and things just makes me happy. So this kind of an image really does that for me. When doing something like the hair you just use the very very tip of the marker and it's really good practice to just use the super light touch and only use just the tip but you could also do that with a colored pencil. Now I want to stamp this but I want to leave the image in the misty so what I've done is lined that block up at the top so that I can at least get it straight. So that was how I got the stamping in there. I knew I wanted to do a little bit more work by adding highlights with a pencil on the stamped image and I didn't want to remove it and lose all chance of being able to re-stamp the image. I know I should be able to trust putting the image back in the misty after coloring it for a while outside of it and then just put it back in but sometimes it's off by just a hair when you put it back in depends on how hard it's pressed against the side or something so I prefer if I'm going to actually re-stamp something if I know I'm going to do that I just leave it inside the misty itself. But I finally was satisfied that my image was the way I wanted it to be so I took it out to work on the snow and add some pencil snow at the bottom and then I used a little micron pen to add her eye back in because her eye kind of had disappeared and you can look at the packaging and that sort of thing to see what the image might actually look like. I popped up the panel on some dimensional adhesive and put it on a card base made of the same paper and it's very nice and flat-ish so it's going to go very well through the post office without having to actually pay extra postage because it's only got that one simple layer of dimensionals. So that's it for today's video. I hope you enjoyed this. If you did click that like button, subscribe if you haven't already because I got lots more fun coming your way. Talk to you guys later. Go make something beautiful. See ya.


I've seen the games with the last coach and I've seen the games with the new coach and they're good I can say this confidently that they are much better than what we were when we were under 17 they are much better in terms of the skill the knowledge and they are much better in terms of the kind of exposures they've got they are much confident than what we were when we were under 17 now the tricky thing here is when I say this should we automatically compare them with the best in the world right now would that be fair no it won't be so that's that's the point when I speak to people I say they are so confident they are so good they did so well I'm sure a lot of people think wow you know we are there but the reality is we have qualified because we are a host we've done really well as what we were to what we are right now but that's the reality now we have a chance to rub shoulders with the best in the world and I don't know if I can use the word unfortunately the draw that we have got is the worst draw we could have I was there and without demeaning the nation I was they asked me which teams do you not want to play I said Spain, Mexico, Colombia, Ghana or Moti myself these teams I want to avoid and we got Colombian Ghana and the US is not someone to discount anyway they are like one team that has been in the tournament for every every team every team but what gave me confidence is after that I met these three boys the under 17 boys they were there and before going to the draw I asked them what kind of draw do you want and they said bhaiya everything is fine because it's more about what we're going to do on the pitch and I like that I like that confidence because they knew they have played so many games abroad they they they exactly know that it's more about what they do on the pitch they know they're going to be the underdogs they know they're going to be so much pressure on them because the work was happening in our country blah blah blah but they understand that it's about what they do so what I want from them is to enjoy this moment most probably if I'm not wrong this might be one of the best times of their lives and they're just 17 year old so I just want them to go there and enjoy this moment and give whatever they have if they come back with the feeling all of them that we give every inch of us that's it the whole country including me will stand and just applaud that's what you want from your team as a fan which I am right now we just want a team to go there and give whatever they have under 17 world cup is a start let's not do a mistake of thinking it's a tournament the tournament is done we had a great time everybody came to our country we enjoyed it that is something that I'm really scared of and why I'm saying is because as a sporting country we have done this before that's the last thing I want for football in our nation


All right, the clock has started. So our half hour is beginning.  We're going to try and pull you out of the afternoon drowsies with a fun half hour chatting about hackers in fiction. And I'm really excited about this today. I am Kevin Bankston. I'm the director of the Open Technology Institute at New America, where we work to ensure every community has access to an internet that's open and secure. I am also, unlike Betsy Cooper from earlier, an unrepentant and huge science fiction nerd. So I'm really excited to have this conversation with a gentleman to my left. I'm joined by my colleague from New America, Peter Singer, who is a noted author of, well, he wrote the book on drones and warfare, Wired for War. He wrote the book on cybersecurity with Alan Friedman. And most recently, he wrote a book of fiction, Ghost Fleet, the most heavily footnoted tech thriller I've ever seen. And we're also very excited to have Walter Parks here. Walter is a producer and screenwriter, produced far too many movies that you've seen to mention, including Gladiator and the Men in Black movies. He, along with his wife, Laurie, ran DreamWorks Studio and now have their own shingle as Parks McDonald Imagination. But for the purposes of today, it's most relevant, he is the co-screenwriter of hacker classics, war games, and sneakers. Yes, applause would be appropriate. And so to start things off, we're going to. That never happens. To start things off, we are going to play one clip from sneakers and then get right into the conversation. So cue the clip. Sound? Better with sound.  Box, Marty.  I missed on purpose. Now, give me the box.  I don't want it. You win, I lose. That's what you want, isn't it? Say it. Say it. Yes. I'm sorry, cause. Could have shared this with me. I know, could have had the power. I don't want it. Don't you know the places we can go with this? Yeah, I do. There's nobody there. Exactly. The world isn't run by weapons anymore or energy or money. It's run by little ones and zeros, little bits of data. It's all just electrons. I don't care. I don't expect other people to understand this, but I do expect you to understand this. We started this journey together. It wasn't a journey, cause, it was a prank. There's a war out there, old friend, a world war. And it's not about who's got the most bullets. It's about who controls the information, what we see and hear, how we work, what we think. It's all about the information. So that's 1992, very prescient information warfare, the value of data. The box they are fighting over is a wonderful magical MacGuffin that can decrypt anything. So evocative of today's crypto debate. Walter, between these movies and another key film that you produced, Minority Report, you've been very prescient. You've talked about automated warfare with the whopper in war games. You've talked about encryption. You've talked about the role of NSA. And perhaps more than any one individual, you're responsible for the hacker archetype in film, thanks to war games and sneakers, for better and for ill. And I'm curious, why? What drew you to write about that subject? Why do you think we're drawn to that type of character as a hero, or anti-hero, or villain? We're all of the above. Going back to war games, I think that we discovered David Leitman more than created him. I was talking to Peter earlier. War games started as an idea that had nothing to do with technology, had to do with the concept of a brilliant kid born into a world that couldn't really recognize his brilliance, and what would he do with his time. And a dying super genius who needed someone to hand his legacy down to. And so at that time, when we were working on the movie, we just started looking into what smart kids like that might be doing at the beginning of home computing. And actually met a young man named David Lewis, who was our guide through all of that. Our David Leitman on the page was probably a little bit less accessible than as interpreted by Matthew Broderick, but I think it came out of two truths, or at least one truth and something that was true for me in my writing partner, Larry Lasker, who's equally part of those first two projects. One is that the idea of the power that one feels as a young person of being able to exert your will to travel to invade worlds at a distance is an extraordinary thing. So it was a technology that was available to us to depict what we thought was a more universal human emotional drive. On the other hand, and this might have been a mistake, I'm a person of the 60s. So there's a sort of a Robin Hood anti-authoritarian who owns information, kind of proto-hacker mentality to that, which is probably we were sort of naive about. There have been times when I've thought that did we not do a good thing in terms of the way we depicted that first hacker? And I must say I've been very happy in talking to a lot of you, both in this meeting and others, to see that, well, at least on the other side of the fence, the ideas that were put forth in those movies helped motivate some people in this room to get into business. Indeed, and sneakers as well, I hear, Peter, with your Cybersecurity podcast, you pull people at the end of each podcast, what have you found in pulling people? So for the podcast, we've interviewed everything from Army generals to CEOs to straight up hackers, and we asked them at the end of it a simple fun question, what is your favorite depiction of cybersecurity and fiction? And we define favorite in any way you want to interpret it. And roughly about 60% have said sneakers.  So you struck a chord in some way, shape, or form. And as a plug, we just taped a podcast interview with them, which is going to be a big treat for the audience. It's been hearing about them for the last year, so we're pretty excited by that. It's funny about sneakers in the podcast we talked about it. It was an object lesson for me about storytelling early on. Because as I said, Wargames started not in technology, it started with the relationship to characters. And the technology was there as a means to depict those issues. While we were researching Wargames, we went to a computer security conference and heard about sneakers. Defined then as the Black Hatters, Tiger teams, people who were hired by either governments or by corporations to test security by actually trying to infiltrate about three weeks later, ahead of the studio, saying, so guys, what are you doing? What's next? And we said, well, we've heard about these things called sneakers.  In the room, they say, it's a deal. We want to make that movie. It took us seven years to figure out a story. I'm not kidding, because it started with the technology. It sort of started with the window dressing, but we didn't have the kind of infrastructure, the emotional infrastructure to put it on its feet. So that silly little movie is probably why I'm kind of right here. Well, so you mentioned the research for Wargames. Varus and Militude is important when it comes to computers. I look at examples like, say, the movie Black Hat that just came out, which has the most handsome man on the planet, Chris Hemsworth, playing a hacker. I've never seen anyone who looks like that wandering the halls at Def Con or Black Hat. But that's because I wasn't there this year. So Minority Report is probably the second most often cited piece of fiction in policy discourse around privacy and surveillance. Who can guess the first? 1984, of course. Can you tell us about the research process for that? Because I find it very interesting that you put a lot of knowledge and information in Minority Report, and we really needed that Spielberg cruise vehicle to actually get it to policy makers. Is that true? With that one, too? Well, that's great to hear. Listen, there's been a group and a person who's been helpful in all of these things. It's a man, a subunit known named Peter Schwartz, who was a futurist and was part of something called GBN, Global Business Network. I met him initially when he was at SRI, Stafford Research Institute, who pointed out the similarities between missile displays, one would find at NORAD, and this new thing at the Stanford Coffee House called Pong. I think it was Pong, it might have been Astro. It was the first arcade video game, he said, and sort of a parallel of your two characters. So I became part of GBN, and this is one of the ways that I, over the years, have interacted in the world of computer security and national security through Peter and meeting people through him. For Minority Report, we actually put together a two or three day little symposium, helped buy global business artwork with extraordinary people. I think Doug Copeland might have been there, and I think that, oh my god, Long Hair, who wrote the book about being a Luddite, but he's anything but a Luddite who created work for Disney. I'll remember his name. Jared? Thank you. Anyway, so what we were able to do is we had the story worked out, and we were able to just walk through the story and sort of populate the moments with what was just around the corner in terms of technology. So the fact that you are seeing Tom Cruise move information on a screen is because it's about a year or two before iPhones came out. The facial resignation or through eye scanning and tailoring, advertising to the individual, all of that sort of came out because we were able to cast a very wide and a very accurate net. Again, we were lucky because the technology wasn't driving it. What was driving it was the story. And it's an interesting irony with the Cruise character who has lost a child and who believes had there been pre-crime at that time, he wouldn't have lost a child which blinds him to the corruption of pre-crime. OK, that's a very good story. We can go with that. And only when you have that strong foundation can you then expand it with technological complications or complexes. So predictive policing, self-driving cars, biometric targeted advertising. You covered a lot of bases. You could have had footnotes in your movie, but it's a movie. But Peter, for Ghostfleet, you actually have footnotes in your techno thriller. Talk about that and talk about the research you did for a depiction of a future war between US and China. Sure, I wanted to hit the one thing, actually in a different book that had a non-fiction book wired for war, it explored the impact of science fiction on the real world and used your example from Minority Report of that, where you may have been drawing from real world technology, but by putting it on the screen, it actually was the first exposure that a Pentagon official saw of that real world technology, thinking that it was science fiction, and that official said, we need that. And then went out and paid for the project. They didn't allow it to pull in. So there's this sort of constant back and forth between the world of science fiction and policy, and it's not just in terms of the design inspiration. Sometimes it can be actually in the budgeting of it. So for Ghostfleet, it's something different. It's a techno thriller, but as you know it with 400 footnotes, and the idea of that was to prove the reality of the seeming science fiction in it. So the rule was every single technology in it, every single geopolitical trend, even some of the quotes that the characters say are all pulled from the real world. And we did that for a variety of reasons. One was to situate it in reality, to sort of prove this is real. Second to create this package of what you could call useful fiction. So it would be fun and entertaining, but people would find it useful to their world. And I think we've seen that to be the case. And third, it allowed, it sort of inoculated us against anyone saying we were revealing classified information. And I had this wonderful experience a couple weeks ago where I was briefing a novel, briefing the real world lessons of the novel to a group of members of Congress. And one of them, their first question was how did you get this cleared? Basically how did you get it past security clearance? I was like, no, I work in New America and here's all the footnotes to it. Or another example was there's a scene in the book that reveals how a US intelligence building could be hacked and actually briefed that in the building and then was able to point to the footnotes as a way of saying, it's already out there in the real world how to do this. I'm not the one creating it.  The knowledge is there. Well, you mentioned budget and it makes me think that NASA's having a good year with its budget in part because of the Martian. You mentioned of interfaces coming from Minority Report. I highly recommend the book if you're interested called Make It So, which is all about the cross-pollinization of interface design in movies and TV and real interface design. But sometimes the impacts are much more directly policy oriented. For example, Wargames in a very real way was a direct inspiration for the, maligned by many, including myself, Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986, our primary hacking law. What does that make you think or feel? Like do you feel responsible for that? Why do you think a fictional story about a hacker in the suburbs could lead to that kind of reaction in Washington DC? How does that happen? Well, first question, I don't feel responsible for that. I think that's an appropriate response. And again, since sometimes I thought that we probably maybe did a bit too much in terms of romanticizing the hacker, I think it's fine that there was some instigation on either side. Looking back, it's not that surprising and it's even relevant to some of the conversations that have been going on here today. The cyber world is a very abstract thing and cybersecurity is a really abstract thing.  I recently made a movie about Malala, the back study school girl. And as part of the movie, I had a conversation with Gordon Brown, the former prime minister of England, who talked about education as a very difficult topic to get people urgently involved in, because unlike other global catastrophes, you don't immediately see the problem. In other words, if the tsunami hits, if there are refugees, if there is a drought, there are actually photographs at the moment and hopefully you can win the hearts and minds of the public and the NGOs and the governments to do something about it. But you don't see a lack of an education for 15 years. And so one of the things we try to do with a movie like Malala is to take something which is important and make it seem urgent. Well, in the same way, in retrospect, the fact that you can see a story that says, oh, a kid used the telephone to hack into a computer system thinking he wanted to play a game and brought us to Def Con 5. The fact that I can say that sentence tells you something. It's a vivid sentence. It reflects what stories are. It's about a character doing something that has consequences. So the fact that it took that story to add urgency to something which is by its nature rather abstract. I mean, we can visualize what warfare looks like. We've seen photographs of what, you know, and out of bomb devastation is. We learn about terrorism. We can see the effects. It's very hard to grasp the actual effects and the actual actions of the hacker and the destruction that is caused by it. So I don't think that it is all that surprising that in particular, in this field, a responsible narrative becomes part of the package of getting something done. So I'm actually seeing quite a bit, just in the past year, of science fiction in particular being used as a policy tool as a way to educate or explain something. Peter, your co-author of Ghost Bleed, August Cole, he has a project at the Atlantic Council all about exploring the future of warfare through science fiction. I've seen the Think Tank data in Society Commission science fiction for its conferences. Amy Stepanovich, who was here earlier, her organization Access Now, their crypto summit had a flash fiction contest about the future of encryption. And I was reading just last week or the week before the White House had a workshop with science fiction writers to talk about the future of humanity in space. Why do you think this is happening? Is this a new development? How do we view the role of science fiction as a policy tool or a way of reaching different constituents? I don't know if it's a new development. There's been a long history of an interaction between science fiction and the world of policy. So arguably there was a wave of sci-fi prior to World War I and basically warning of the dangers of mechanized war, warning of a rising Germany, what it would mean for Great Britain. Actually one of the examples of this would be Arthur Conan Doyle's story, danger that warned that submarines were gonna be a game changer for war and they would present also some new sort of legal ethical questions. There's a history of that. Science fiction also has the power, as you were putting it, I would describe it not just to be predictive or warning but to be emotive. It causes an emotional response. I think we're seeing that right now, for example, within the killer robotics debate, which is a debate about artificial intelligence, autonomy, complex topics, but that link to the terminator is really what's provoking the action to it. Another thing science fiction can do is just frankly distribution. I mean, I've experienced this. Senior leaders, powerful people, are more likely to read a novel than they are a edited volume. It is what it is for those of us in think tank land. But the one thing, and this is where I'm sure you're gonna agree with, it can't just be I'm gonna throw science fiction at the problem. So I was told by someone, based on the success of Ghostfleet, they said, we're gonna do a Ghostfleet for healthcare policy. I was like, okay, no. Can't wait to read it. Yeah, well, it was like, no, you have to start with the things that create a story, a good story. What are your characters? What are your plots? So we had a story we wanted to tell. The message was layered kind of not on top of it, but within it. We had the characters that we found connection to. So you can't just sort of throw science fiction, either writers at it or say, hey, policy wonk, you're now a fiction writer. I mean, you gotta start with the story, the fiction has to be good, and in turn, if you wanted to have that fact, it has to be grounded in reality. It can't be pure fantasy. Hearing that, it made me think about something I haven't thought about for a little while. Wargames was in the 80s. And there were three movies of that decade that dealt very differently with the same problem, which is, by the way, a topic which is, as old as science fiction, which is human kindly losing control of a mechanized world. I mean, it's, but the ones I'm talking about are Robocop, Terminator, and Wargames. What's interesting is Robocop, it's like, well, the man machine is sort of out of control and first is a disruptor of a corrupt system and finally comes into kind of the realm of the human. Terminator's totally about us losing to the machines. And you're asking what stuck about Mathematurg and Wargames. It's the one that sort of said, even on a deeper level, forgetting hacking, forgetting the specifics of any of that, is that this kid was capable of controlling his cybernetic destiny. He didn't lose control, he kept control of it. I think in that way, there's something empowering about that that is sort of taken hold, as opposed to a sort of nihilistic story, which is often the case with science fiction and artificial intelligence or any cybernetic system. And there's usually, I would arguably argue, there has to be some kind of moral ethical dilemma within it to be absolute great science fiction. I remember actually interviewing, she was very interesting. She was both a NASA roboticist. She led the Mars Rover program, but she was also the founder, founding director of the Science Fiction Museum in Hall of Fame. And she said, her name is Donna Shirley, and she said, good science fiction doesn't tell you how to build the bomb, it tells you, if you build the bomb, you might get Dr. Strangelove. And that, I think, when I go to these questions around your work in cybersecurity, it's not just the what-ifs of what we might get it, it's the warning of the dilemmas within it. One more question, and then I wanted to open it up to the audience. So, think about what questions you might have for Walter or Peter. Speaking of the responsibility of creators, something that came up earlier in the panel about women in cybersecurity is the traditional depiction of the hacker is sort of of the hooded dude, the brogrammer to use terminology from earlier today. Do you see that changing? What does it take to change that? Pardon me, I will give the positive example, I think, of Mr. Robot, which in addition to being the most accurate depiction of hacking I've seen in any medium, has three female technical experts in it. And only one of them is what you'd call the like pixie dream girl hacker. But I'm curious what you guys- Well, look at the girl with the dragon tattoo, the ultimate hacker anti-hero. I see these things as a, the reality of the world catches up with the fiction, you know, I think probably 15 years ago, it was a more male world than it is now. And B, it has to do with good writing is best of bad writing. In other words, playing into that preconception or to that, that stereotype of, I love that term brogrammer, I think it's an easy choice. And if you go out and look at the world, it's probably not accurate. So hopefully people who write these sorts of things will look at the world more accurately. You know, you kind of combine things.  We've got, you know, got IT expert girl. I mean, I can't, there's so many different IT, sorry, you know, cybersecurity or police dramas.  And in part, I even think the creators are doing it now because that's the expectation. You know, there's kind of a cookie cutter of what you need in a successful TV show and you need kind of the rugged guy lead and the young guy, you know, you've got sort of these five roles and now there's got IT person. One of the things that was interesting in the reactions to Ghostfleet was not specific to the hacker side, but the roles that we had, characters when it came to gender. So for example, one of the main characters is a marine officer that's on the run behind enemy lines.   No, she's a superior officer who's a marine, they'll follow her orders. And that's because it reflects kind of what's changing there.  So one of the things that a lot of reviewers commented on was there's a moment where two US Navy officers, both of whom are married, are talking about going on leave and one of them just in the course of conversation reveals that he's married to another guy. And they move on with it. It's not a moment, it's not a thing because guess what? That's where we either are or are headed to as both the nation and within the military. The culture wars of the 90s are in the 90s. So I think what you're getting at is this question of how much is your responsibility to reflect what's happening right now? How much of your responsibility is to try and trend spot and kind of move forward? And then how much of your responsibility is to try and create change? Are you trying to idealize certain roles? And I don't have a good answer to that, but hopefully you're doing some kind of juggling between those three. Maybe the audience has a good answer or a good question, which we have time for probably one or maybe two questions. Do we have any questions in the audience or on Twitter? Sir, there will be a microphone shuttled to you momentarily. This gentleman right, oh, okay, yes. When you see something like CSI Cyber or even Scorpion, do you cringe or do you think it's a way in? I hate to say it, I haven't seen it. I have seen one episode of each of them and I know that both of them have excellent consultants that give them great advice and then are mostly ignored in their depiction of what the world is actually like. Again, I would actually recommend Mr. Robot. It sort of falls into the trap of the nihilistic, not socially skilled, angry anti-establishment hacker trope, but in terms of the technical depiction, it's very strong. In defense of the people who make those shows and they're very talented people, I remember several times in the past, networks putting out, would I be interested or do we want to do a sneakers television show? And the idea of actually doing an authentic cybersecurity hacking, some kind of story like that on a weekly basis, given how difficult that movie was to figure out, just seemed impossible. I think one of the reasons why something like Mr. Robot could work is that television has changed and that's allowed to be one story told over 10 hours. Rather than a case of a week every. But the case of the week, that might work very well for forensics and other kinds of procedurals but I can't imagine how they can do it on cyber because it's just too complex and I guess whether we can do a good job I'm not sure.  Yeah. But that said, what are the most successful shows on TV right now? There is a reason why the cookie cutter is that model. It's because it's working and it's easy for audiences and I think that's the appeal of Mr. Robot not just to this field but also to different kinds of audiences is it's challenging to them and that has to be a lot more fun to make as well as it certainly is enjoyable and what I like about it, I like it but also my mom likes it as well and she is definitely not a cybersecurity person. Your mom's pretty cool. On that note, we are done here. I wish we could take more questions but Walter and Peter will both be around so please say hello. Thank you very much guys. We really appreciate it.


This is going to be a demonstration of the branches of the lumbar plexus. This is a supine cadaver I am standing on the left side camera person is on the left side first We will demonstrate the nerves on the left side and then we will show it on the right side Let's start off with the subcostal nerve here. This is below the 12th rib. That's why it is called subcostal This is T12 This was actually under the fibers of the diaphragm which we have cut and reflected we will show you on the right side This is the subcostal nerve on the right side under the 12th rib on the right side. These subcostal nerves They supply the anti-abdominal muscles namely the external oblique internal oblique Transverses of dominus the next nerve that we can see here is this one which I picked up here This is the L1 the L1 as it continues down it divides into a upper one called the ilio Hypogastric and a lower one called the ilio inguinal. They supply the transverses of dominus and The internal oblique and we can see this nerve is supplying these two muscles The ilio hypogastric supplies the skin of the lower part of the abdomen But it does not go outside the abdomen Ilio inguinal continues and it supplies the skin of the thigh And it also supplies the skin of anterior scrotum and the labia majora where it is known as the anterior scrotal nerve Now the anterior labial nerve. The ilio inguinal component serves as the afferent limb of the cremaster reflex in male children Now we are showing the ilio inguinal and the ilio hypogastric nerve on the right side And this is the L1 and we can see it is ramifying Within the lower fibers of the internal oblique and the transverses of dominus So this is the distribution of the ilio inguinal ilio hypogastric that is L1 The next branch of the lumbar plexus that you can see on the left side is this which we have lifted up here This is the lateral femoral cutaneous nerve which comes from the posterior division of the lumbar plexus L2-3 If you watch carefully when I exert traction here we will see it is moving on the thigh So this is the continuation of the lateral femoral cutaneous nerve This lateral femoral cutaneous nerve it crosses the iliac fossa and it emerges into the thigh Under the ilio inguinal ligament close to its attachment to the anterior superior iliac spine And this is the place where it is coming And then it supplies the skin of the antrolateral aspect of the thigh here In this position where it is coming out from the under the ilio inguinal ligament It can get entrapped especially when the person gains weight And then it can produce numbness, tingling and peristhesia on the lateral aspect of the thigh And that condition is known as meralgia peristhetica So this is the lateral femoral cutaneous nerve on the left side Now we have picked up the lateral femoral cutaneous nerve on the right side And if you watch on the thigh we will notice that when I exert traction here The lateral femoral cutaneous nerve on the thigh is moving here So this is the LFC on the right side And as we mentioned it is passing under the ilio inguinal ligament close to its attachment to the anterior superior iliac spine And this is the place where we mentioned it can get entrapped The next nerve that we have picked up on the left side is this one here This is the operator nerve This is the anterior division of L2-3-4 And this operator nerve enters into the pelvis And it passes through the operator foremen And it comes out of the medial side of the thigh And it supplies all the adductor muscles on the medial side of the thigh As well as a little bit of the pectinus And it supplies the skin of the middle medial side of the thigh And we shall show you the continuation of the same operator nerve on the thigh We have lifted up the operator nerve on the medial side of the left thigh And we can see that it is coming out between the adductor magnus and the adductor brevis And then it runs between the adductor magnus and the adductor longus And it ramifies and supplies the muscles on the medial side of the thigh We are going to put an instrument to show the continuity of this operator nerve with the pelvis To come back where we had started This is the operator nerve on the thigh And we have put an instrument along the course of the operator nerve If you look on the inner side of the pelvis We can see that the tip of the instrument has come out through the operator foremen On to the left pelvis And if you were to look at the tip of the instrument, we notice the operator nerve And the operator vessels are also passing through the same foremen So this is the course taken by the operator nerve as it passes from the lumbar region Through the pelvis, through the operator foremen, on to the medial side of the thigh Now we have picked up the operator nerve on the right side This is the operator nerve and it is accompanied by the operator vessels And we can see that it is disappearing through this opening here This is the operator foremen on the right side And it goes to the right thigh So this is L234 anterior division The next nerve that we can see is the one which we have picked up here This is the femoral nerve This is the posterior division of L234 on the left side And when I exert traction here, we can see that it is moving on the thigh here And when I exert traction here, we can see it is moving here So this is the femoral nerve which passes under the inguinal ligament where my finger is passed And it comes to the thigh Immediately on entering the thigh, it divides into hundreds and thousands of branches Which supplies the muscles of the anterior compartment And we can see that here Additionally, it also gives a saphenous nerve, which is the longest cutaneous branch And it also gives the anterior cutaneous nerve of the thigh Which we can see here We have picked up the femoral nerve on the right side Femoral nerve comes out from under the sua spager lateral to it And when I exert traction here, we can see that it is moving on the right thigh here So this is the continuity of the right femoral nerve Which supplies the anterior muscles of the thigh The next nerve that I'm going to pick up is visible only on the right side And it runs in front of the sua spager muscle And that is this nerve here This is the genitofemoral nerve L12 The genitofemoral nerve runs in front of the sua spager And then it divides into a femoral branch and a genital branch Femoral branch supplies the skin of the upper thigh And the genital branch runs through the inguinal canal Along with the ilio-inguinal nerve And it supplies the cremaster muscle This genitofemoral nerve provides the efferent limb of the cremaster reflex In male children So therefore just to recap, ilio-inguinal nerve is the afferent limb of the cremaster reflex And the genitofemoral is the efferent limb of the cremaster reflex The genitofemoral nerve is not clearly visible on the left side The next nerve that we have picked up here is this one This is the lumbo-sacral trunk L45 The lumbo-sacral trunk does not come out of the abdomen Instead it goes from the abdomen, from the lumbar region It goes into the pelvis And there it merges with the sacral plexus S123 And it contributes to the formation of the sciatic nerve Therefore the root value of the sciatic nerve is L45S123 On the right side, this is the lumbo-sacral trunk that we can see here And this lumbo-sacral trunk also follows the same course as we mentioned on the left side So these are all the branches of the lumbar plexus that we have shown sequentially First on the left side and then on the right side with their respective clinical correlations Thank you very much for watching Dr. Sanjay Sanyal signing out If you have any questions or comments, please put them in the comment section below David O is the camera person Have a nice day