So good morning for those who are joining us. Thank you for joining us as we begin today's part two of today's webinar as we watch our colleagues join who've been waiting in the waiting room. So we'll just, you know, wait for a bit to have you all joined and set up as you come in this morning or this afternoon or this evening wherever you are in the world. So once again, as I said before, we formally begin the session and I guess we can start recording if it's not already recording. Today we will have part two of our webinar discussion on the universal digital ID and the birth of the E-stamp hosted by the DotPost group of which I am part of. My name is Tracy Hapshaw. I am the manager of the DotPost business unit and today we have Sola Ravi who is the co-founder and CEO of GeoMain who is a DotPost group associate member and also a member of the UPU Consultive Committee and he is actually only private sector member, wider post sector player who is a member of both of our private sector entities within the UPU. So welcome GeoMain and welcome Sola to the UPU's audiences as you present your solutions to us. Yesterday, as for those who were here yesterday, you may recall we began by doing sort of a business and high level overview of digital identity and what the GeoMain solution looks like from a business perspective. We talked about revenue, revenue opportunities. We talked about the high level of what the solution is doing in terms of functionality and features but today, even based upon the questions that we've gotten from yesterday, we've planned to do a deep dive, a technical deep dive into the solution and walking you through how it actually works and so we'll look potentially at doing, show you some scenarios. So how it will work in environments such as one that you may have as a postal operator or any other entity working in the postal supply chain. So while we settle ourselves and wait for our folks to join today, we had a quite a large group yesterday but as usual, we normally expect today's session to be a smaller group because we have the technical folks today who are really very interested in the deep dive. I will just essentially think that we can begin now. So yep, so I think it's a good time to begin formally. So with that, I will pass you over to Soalavi who as I said before is the co-founder and CEO of GeoMain and I will probably let So maybe it's a good idea for you to give another, just a little sort of maybe new today, another view of what GeoMain is about and a bit about yourself as well. So over to you Soalavi. Great, thank you Tracy. Pleasure to be here again and today. So for those of you who are joining us again, welcome and thank you for joining us on the second day. For those of you who are joining us for the first time, welcome. And I would actually like Recording in progress. I would like to start my screen share. So I'll just set that up and just give me a second. Can you see my screen, Tracy? Unfortunately, we can't see your screen. So compared to what we did for testing, I don't know what has happened. Oh, we hold on. I mean, stop and start again. This does happen at times, as we know. So just hold on. Okay. Can you see the screen now, Tracy? I started again. Yes, we can and I suggest you go into slideshow mode. Yes, we can see your screen. Okay. And you've got the full view now, right? We do. Yes. No, not yet. We're still seeing your slide deck, if you can show us your slideshow view. Presentation mode, please. Right. Okay. So today, what we are going to cover is we are going to try to cover some of these following topics. So we will do a quick recap of the GeoMain Universal Digital ID. There is a short video. We'll try to play that. But I think we just tested it. And for some reason, the audio is not very clear. But Tracy will share the links for both the videos that we will be showing during this presentation. So in case if you guys cannot hear the video, then feel free to watch it directly using the links that Tracy will share. We will also have a quick review of the app. So it will give you a good idea of exactly how the app works in terms of the basically what it looks like, what the functionality is. We will explain Geox, which is the first live use case of the GeoMain Universal Digital ID. So that will give you a very good idea of the first live use case that we have developed for GeoMain. And I believe there will be countless more use cases that third parties will be developing and will be running on the GeoMain platform in the future. We will then move on to discuss the E-STAMP infrastructure architecture. And we will then talk about its delivery model in terms of ASAS and how all of that works. And we will then from there, with the services available within the GeoMain model, we'll actually go and take you live to the prototype that we have for a postal operator. And we would be able to show you exactly how that works. So by the end of the presentation, you will have a very good idea of exactly what GeoMain is all about in terms of the architecture, how simple it is to actually integrate it and to start working with it and obviously to start monetizing it for the benefit of your respective post. And you will also be able to see exactly how this whole thing will work. So the person behind the camper at the post office, or what will he or she be seeing on the screen and how will he or she be able to actually be able to sell GeoMains and renew them, etc., etc. So once again, you still have not been able to get it into present. We have comments in the chat saying it's not seeing it in presentation mode. So seeing all your menus, you're seeing everything else. So can you just let me just stop the screen share and start again? That might help because for some reason, is this still screen sharing? No, we're not seeing the screen now. Okay, hold on. Let me, what I'm going to do is I'll actually try and run this on the PDF thing because the PowerPoint does not seem to be working fine. So hold on just a second. Okay, can you see the PDF now, Tracy? I'm not sure if you have two screens up, but they're still seeing your PowerPoint slide back and are still not in full screen mode. And I'm seeing the option to select full screen there. Okay, let me just close the PowerPoint altogether because it seems to be paying up. So you can, okay, can you see the PDF now? No, your screen is not being shared. Oh, it's not shared now, hold on. No, we're seeing you. Okay, can you see the PDF now? All right. And if you just hide that, thank you. Sure. Okay, is everybody able to see the first slide? Yep, and if you can go to full screen on this too, you know, just go to the view and you'll get full screen mode. I really appreciate the plans. Sure. Yes, thank you very much. All right, so sorry about that. Okay, so these are the topics that we will cover this afternoon. And this is actually the video. So I'll try to play, you know, we actually try to play it, but for some reason, the voice is very low on this. So this is just a two minute video, which those of you who've actually visited our website would have already seen. So I'll skip this, but for those of you who wish to watch the video, it's available on the main website, geoman.com, and Tracy will also be sharing the link for this. So this is the app review. So these are the different screen shots that we've got for the app. So let's actually start with the first shot there that you see that's actually the home screen. So we've got the geoman on the top. So this is my own geoman, Sol. You then have a call in messaging feature, which by the way is work in progress. So that's in a few weeks away before we actually get that enabled. The visible option there is for privacy. So at any time, if you wish to go invisible, you simply click that visible button, and you'll have a little cross that eye symbol there, and nobody would then be able to know where you are. Share your location. So share pushes your current location wherever you are, and then you can use any of the medium that you currently have provisioned on your device, be it WhatsApp, be it an email, be it anything, and you can share it with your friends, your current location. So we send a link of where you are, and the radar feature, which is also still work in progress, is a very unique feature, which actually is able to tell you which of your specified friends are within a radius of about two kilometers from you. So if you wish to hook up with anybody, then you can do that. Then you come down to the next field, that's enter geomain and phone. So when you click that button, then the second screen there shows. So you can actually either search for your contacts, your friends, or even businesses using their geomain or using a phone number. So most of us have contacts provisioned at this moment with a phone number. So those who will have a phone number provision and who are really existing geomain members, they will actually have the geomain shown, and those who are not will have an invite button next to it. Going back again to the first screen, so we've got five main menus there. So we've got an explore, that's a home page. We've got the geomain, which we come to in a second, and then contact services and profile. So what you see on the home screen is actually a current location map of where you are. And once the radar feature works, then you would be able to see little icons that will show those friends that you have wished to crack using the radar feature. They will show once they're in close proximity to you. Now we move on to the third screen. So the third screen is about geomains. So first is geomains because people will register more than one geomains, perhaps one for the business, one for personal use. So depending on whichever geomains you actually own, all those geomains will show on your geomains tab. In this particular case, so if you look at the first geomain there, so I've registered a free geomain for Sol123.my, and I've got that little link icon there, and I've got these, my geospots showing in a scroll bar format. So that means that any time that I wish to update my geomain location to any specific geospot, usually great places that I would be frequenting more than once, then I would simply have to be able to go and update my geospot, update my geomain by linking my geospot to my geomain. So this is a very convenient way of doing it. And if you wish, then obviously once you actually created geospot, you're also able to at that time link it to your geomain. So you have that option when you create your geospot that link this link this geospot to my current geomain. So then it will automatically link without you having to do this step. The next and which is the fourth and the last screen is a geospots. So you can have as many geospots as you wish, totally free of cost and geospots are really your favorite locations that you visit. It could be a cafe, it could be, you know, your office, it could be any, any, any other location, you know, your uncle and aunt's house, your home, whatever. And these names are non unique. So you could have these names pretty much, you know, common across most geomain users. So the important thing to remember is that the geomain itself is unique. There's only one geomain of profits type and geospots are not unique names. They are simply labels that can then link to a geospot. So also on your geospots page, which is the last screen, you see that these little icons below every single geospot. So what you're able to do is if you wish to navigate to a specific geospot, so you just pull it up and you click on the navigation button. And depending on whichever mapping provider you have chosen, then that map opens up. Currently we support both Google Maps and Gear Maps. In the future, we plan to be supporting other national mapping services as well. So for example, in Singapore, we've got one SG, you know, and many other countries have got their own national mapping. Like in the UK, we've got the Ordnance Survey, etc. So those national mapping providers will also be supported in new posts. But at this moment, we are supporting both Google and Gear Maps, which are the two largest mapping providers currently available. If you click on the second icon, then what happens is we are currently partnering with Uber. So for those countries where Uber exists, your Uber app will open and you will then come straight to the screen where you can see the price of the ride that you have. So it's going to price the ride from your current location to wherever the geospot is. And in one addition click, you are able to have the Uber at your doorstep. We are in the process of trying to sign up with other ride-hailing companies, including some national ones. And obviously, this is something that will happen progressively over a period of time. But currently we are, as I said, integrated already with Uber. And also with Grab, the integration is currently in process. So we expect that to take a few weeks before we are able to offer Grab, which is Asia's version of Uber. They are the largest ride-hailing in this part of the world in Southeast Asia. The share icon there is where I would like to share a geospot with a friend of mine. So let's say I visit a cafe and I really like it. So I'm able to in one click share this geospot with a friend and he or she is then able to add this geospot on their geomain app and they are then able to navigate to it and do anything else that they wish. And the last link icon there is if I wish to link a geospot with my current geomain. So I could do it either from the third screen, which is a geomain screen, or I could even do it from the geospot screen. So typically people would have hundreds of geospots. So it would be easier for them to just scroll down to the respective geospot that they would like to link and click on that link button and they're able to link it to the geomain of choice. So yeah, this is the right healing thing. So as you know, as I mentioned, so as I said, Uber at the moment is enabled, grabs and process. We are talking to some of the others and this is something that's working progress and we expect that to happen over the next few weeks or months. The my contacts screen is very important to have a look at because we've tried to be a bit innovative in this. So what happens is we've got a category essentially. So you've got all your contacts, we've got friends, family, and then we've got groups. If you look at this at the second screen. So here, what we've said is we've said, well, there's a there's a contact called geomain.sg. And next to each contact is this down there. If you look at the second geomain on the list there, it's called lori.gb, loristar.gb. So you see, you see, there's this there's this down arrow over there. So that's essentially opens a dashboard. The dashboard looks like the the icons just above lori.gb. So once you click that down arrow, then this dashboard opens and from here, you're able to chat to that person. You're able to make a call. You're able to make a video call. You're also able to determine the current location in terms of where they are and so far as they have allowed you to track them. And you're able to navigate to their geomain wherever that is provisioned. So all of these core functionalities can be done very conveniently from within the my contacts screen. We also have a little icon over there, which is the globe icon. So that represents a geopage. So every single geomain owner, be it a business or a consumer has got a what you call a geopage and that geopage is essentially information on themselves, their profile. And we plan to add additional exciting stuff like logs and stuff like that, you know, as as you move forward. So at the moment, the geopage is alive and it's supported and for consumers, we've got a, you know, the photo and the profile information. And for businesses, we're now soon going to be introducing advertising. So geomain, geopage owners who own business category, geomains will be able to actually serve banner ads as well as video ads within their geomages. And that again is going to be a significant revenue. Perhaps over a period of time, you know, I dare to say it could even be the largest revenue component across the entire revenue mix that post that post offices would be earning or has as a geomain partner. And finally, there are these little emojis that you see against each contact. So this is basically a most feature that we've got. And again, this is just one thing that we're doing to try to make this app very sticky, because we understand that geomain being a digital ID app, the use cases of this are several, but however, the app in itself, people may not be frequently that often. So we've actually thrown this feature in, in order to make it a bit sticky. So you're able to go and actually set your mood.  Should we go out? I just scroll my contact list and see who's in the mood for coffee. And I can just chat to your colleague from within the same screen and set up a time and a place to meet you for coffee. So that's basically the contact screen. Services is the fourth icon that we have at the bottom in the menu. We've got an emergency services thing on the top. And this is a, you know, for, in case of emergency, as we all know, we've got a huge problem in most countries where you typically make the phone call and then you have to wait for several minutes before somebody answers. And then in a state of panic, it would take several minutes, which are absolutely crucial and critical in any emergency for you to simply get across the fact to the other person at the, you know, who's operating the emergency services to get across to them what the problem is. So we thought that, well, maybe this is a faster way of dealing with the whole issue where we can do it in, you know, less than a minute. We can select the emergency service we require. We can at that immediate instance, we can take a photo, take a video, record a voice message or just write whatever we want. So for example, there's a street fight going on. I just write street fight and I can take a photo and I can basically just click the button, the button at the bottom that's notify emergency services. In case of, let's say if it's in God forbid, if it's a medical emergency or something with myself, and I can click that little thing that says modify my next of kin now. So I have a feature where I can manage my next of kin contacts. So let's say if anything that's, you know, happens, God forbid, a medical emergency, you know, then within seconds, my family's informed the emergency services are informed. And if I so choose, I can auto link my primary gym into my current location. So if anybody wishes to, you know, reach me in my time of need, then they can do so by just clicking one button. So that's that's on the emergency services side on the other services side. This is another concept that we've got in terms of making geomaniac gateway app, because it is a digital ID app. So what we what we would like, and we feel would be interesting to a lot of the vendors would be to come in and sign up as partners over here. So what would what that would actually enable is it would enable people, for example, if you were to click on, if you were to, if you were to click on the food delivery icon there, and I'm on the third screen services. So if you were to click on that, on that icon, then what would happen is you would end up showing all these different food delivery companies that, you know, that would be our partners like Uber foods or food panda, etc. And if I want to order from there, I should be able to do so without actually having to create an account, because if I'm coming through the geomaniac then food panda or Uber foods would automatically know who I am. So the whole convenience of being able to access services without going through that entire signup process is I think something that is perhaps unique and also certainly very attractive, you know, from a consumer's perspective and from a US from a UX perspective. So these are just a list of selected partners we feel who may want to sign up for these kind of services and integrating them is not a major issue from a tech side. It's really making the business case to them in terms of them being able to enhance their customer base that would then hopefully get them to sign up to be a service provider within the geomaniac. Okay, so we move on to the next screen now. These are the profiles. So we've actually got a public profile. So again, for privacy reasons, here this is where we can actually choose a motto we can choose a name and we can choose a photo and select our mode. If we so wish we can actually have a ultra privacy mode activated where none of this information will be made available. But if you wish to, this pretty much like the domains have got the who is feature where we can find some information about the domain registrants. So similarly, this is all the information that is available. If you choose to make it public, if you choose to basically make your public information totally anonymous, then absolutely nothing will show and it will just show that this profile is private. Then on the personal profile, we've got a feature called Geocards. Geocards are essentially QR codes which map to your existing geomain but which would have different data. So hypothetically, let's say if I'm working at two or three different companies and I would want to have two or three different business cards if you may. So I can actually go and create two or three different geocards, as we call them here. And these geocards are then, they would all link to the same geomain but they can have different data. So they can have different email addresses, different phone numbers, different emails. And again, I can share them by simply showing somebody, look, this is my QR code, they scan it using the geomain app and they're automatically in one click added as a contact on their geomain app and I'm added as a contact on my geomain app. So all contacts within the geomain app are added on a reciprocal basis in order to be fair. And in order to make sure that everything remains very private. So once I actually, if I remove you as a contact from my address book, then my details on your address book would also be deleted. So it is strictly on a reciprocal basis. So this is that coming to the third screen, which is the micro files. This is the security button where if you click on that button, it says only your contacts can read your page, navigate and or call or video call you. The last is the settings page, which as I said, we've currently got here maps and Google maps for patient. We support all of these. We also have the app currently exists in about 15 different languages. And we hope we'll be adding more as we go along. But at the moment, the app is available in 15 languages. And on that note, also important to state that geomain itself, which is what I said yesterday that, you know, we actually support seven different characteristics, but we only enable English at the moment. So over the next couple of months, perhaps we'll be enabling geomains in other languages as well. So you will have be able to have a geomain, for example, in the Mandarin language or in the Arabic language, and they too will obviously have a matching geomain to our code. So this would help geomain become, you know, have universal adoption. Okay, so the first live use case for geomain universal digital identity is actually a single sign-on solution. We call it a universal single sign-on or USSO. And geops basically the double X signifies a signature, which means essentially authentication by the user. And our model of live-life password free because with geops, we can actually get rid of the password, which is going to be a major boom because everybody has had issues with passwords, as we know. So again, I'm not going to run this, I'm not going to attempt running this video because the voice is very faint. So please feel free to either visit the website geops.co. The video is there and you can watch the video and see exactly how it works. Or else crazy would be happy to share the links with you guys as well. Right, this is the geops architecture. So we'll just quickly delve on this. So geops has its own separate cloud. It basically operates using a geops authenticator app. So once you actually have a geomain app, you then download the geops authenticator app and all authentications and notifications will actually come on your geops authenticator app. So every time that you wish to sign in, do a web or a app that actually supports geops USSO or geops universal single sign on that notification come on your device using the geops authenticator app and not the geomain one. So we've done that primarily because geomain obviously is is a digital identity. So geops being just a use case one use case of that digital identity. So we do not want to confuse or mix these things up. So it's kept separate. We also have a geops partner module. So these are partners that use the geops USSO and we've got a geops STP, which is a service delivery platform as well as part of the geops cloud. We will very quickly also have a look at the architecture on the right hand side. This is the geomain architecture. So we've got the geomain master registry. We have what we call a geomain STP, which is service delivery platform and that has got several applications. So we've got things like costum and ads. We've got opt-in marketing campaigns, address verification services. So all of these are things that the STP can actually handle and that that could be customized or curated for specific partners based on their needs. The E-stamp cloud is separate and that is the one that we'll eventually link to the UPU. And as you can see over there, what will most likely happen or what you would like to see happen is that every country actually has their own servers, which basically host the customer E-stamp transaction data within the national borders. So and then we'll be more on this, I believe in the next few slides. So we'll discuss this in detail there. Okay, so the E-stamp model and infrastructure architecture easiest to understand is that domain names have changed the world and how we live, work and play. We know that both ICANN and geomain are essentially registrars of a unique alphanumeric name and are complementary to each other. So we are not competitive in any nature. ICANN has its own unique role and they've got an entire global infrastructure, which is both hardware and software. We are primarily software only, but we ride on that infrastructure. So it's very important to appreciate that difference, which I'm sure that anybody from from Deckwood would be able to do very easily. The model, as I said yesterday, is it's free for consumers and businesses pay a small hand with fee to register the choice of geomain name just as they do for domain names. So this is actually a diagram from ICANN. So it shows how the actual setup is done and how the registrars and the ICANN registrars are pretty much the likes of GoDaddy's and the name sheet, et cetera, et cetera. So how these registrars actually connect to ICANN. So what we are trying to highlight here in this particular diagram is that the geomain master registry keeps an authoritative master database of all geomain names globally. And this is the one that's going to be outside in the cloud. And this connects to the registrars, which in this case would be the post offices. So what we're trying to do is we're trying to replace essentially in this in this diagram, we're trying to say that instead of the registrars who are making millions of dollars every year, as we know, we would like the post offices to actually monetize this opportunity and be able to act as a registrar for the geomain. Okay. This is a very high level architecture. So again, so you've got the geomain master registry. This would probably be on a multi-cloud environment, mayoral and geographically distributed for maximum redundancy and data security. And just to be clear, this geomain master registry would simply only have about five pieces of information. One is the geomain. The second is second and third are the first and last names of the user. The third would be the MSISDN or otherwise, as we call it, the cell phone number of the user to whom the geomain is registered to and finally an email address. But however, the way that geomain is designed that, you know, you put once you've actually registered a geomain using a phone number and an email ID, you are then free to update your phone number and email ID at any time in the future. So your geomain can stay the same, even if your phone number changes and even if your email ID changes, right, there's a process for you to actually update that information. And once you've done that, then your information can remain current and you can be reachable by anybody that you so wish. Then country next, this is a very important piece of the whole architecture and in some countries we feel that the network information centers, which currently manage the domain, the local domain TLDs. So for example, and I mean in Singapore, which is .sg, you know, in the UK, .gb, etc. So these these these nicks have an inherent interest in and perhaps hosting national data because most of these are actually government-owned bodies that look up the, you know, national interests. So in those countries where post decides that they do not want to post local data, we could have the local country mix hosting the data locally. So again, to reinforce my earlier point, you know, we are moving towards a world where everybody wants to have data with the national borders. We are in support of that policy and we feel that that next will take crucial role moving forward. But if the post offices want to take on this responsibility, and therefore be able to monetize it at any point in the future in any fashion that they so choose, then we are open to that as well. Then the service delivery platform is there, which basically obviously is all protected by firewalls everywhere. So there's we've got all the security built in that is necessary today and these then connect to specific applications, be it logistics, right, healing registrars, map providers, government or whatever. We move to the next slide now. So this is again pretty much another slightly more detailed version of the earlier slide. But here what we stress on is again the country mix and and here we are actually able to show where the east time comes in in all of this. So the UB admin panel will have a full overview of all transaction metadata globally. So we propose to actually give the UBU access a dashboard where they can view all the movements of of all made everywhere around the world. So they'll be able to have if a full picture, which we stick and do you know, which I'm sure they could do it, because it's going to help give them that level of insights, which they have not had have happened today. So it gives a granular analytical analysis capabilities and oversight, which would then help them to develop policies that would help to further enhance efficiencies across both to globally. So again, the customer east time transaction data should reside on local service within the respective postal authority of every country. And if they choose not to do that, then it could be the mix that would come in and play that role. Okay, this is a schematic diagram of pretty much everything that we've done. So since this is a deep dive, I'd be happy to review this. And so we've got the end users there on the left hand side. So that's customer access to services via web or app. Primarily it is it is going to be the app, however, then we've got the geomain gateway servers. So we've got the mediation servers and we've got local geomain registry. So within within each post office, we would be able to position a local geomain registry. And by that, we mean that all geomains registered within a specific country, i.e. those with a specific country suffix. So you know, if you if you if you register a geomain with a dot SG suffix, then that means that that that's the Singaporean geomain and it will then reside within so within it within servers or at sync post. So so a local geomain registry is very critical. And what this is going to help with this is going to help resolve all national traffic, if you may, within the country without anything going outside, right? It's only when you actually need to be able to resolve international geomains, or geomains that do not have a country suffix, that you will then need to connect to the geomain cloud, which is right there on the top, the geomain master registry, you see there. And only then you're able to actually send them a query and they'll get back to you in terms of exactly where the geomain is. But if it's if it's national traffic, then it should, you know, if it should be structured in a way that all of that can be handled locally, you know, within national borders. We would also have a service delivery platform provisioned nationally, you know, it's essentially the same piece of software, but geographically distributed, if you may, and geomain gateway servers are co located in every country's NIC data centers or coastal data centers, as I already mentioned, assuring local ownership of national geomain registry and location data. The post office servers are there on the right hand side. So transaction app data for services provision on the geomain STP reside on local post office service. So it could happen in two ways. One is where if a NIC comes in, they could take ownership of all data and in return, they are able to post all that data. If the post office wishes to share that, then they could basically even share that where transaction app data for east steps, for example, could be residing within the post office's own servers. And all of the data that is basically generated by users in that country can then resolve, you know, can then reside in the national NIC servers. So all of this is really flexible because it is technology so we can do whatever really works for every country. And we understand that every country has different needs and requirements and we are happy to accommodate that to accommodate these as best we can. And finally, the UPU has a, you know, the last is a UPU. So the UPU has a bird's eye view of all postal activity and analytics, which I believe, as I said, would be a great value to them and helping to further develop policies that would increase profitability and efficiencies for postal operators worldwide. Okay, this is the delivery model. So this is where I'm going to actually, I'm going to switch over and show you exactly how this works in real time. So you just give me a second case. Okay, Tracy, can you see that screen where it says geomain registrar? Yes, we can. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay, okay, great. Okay. So this is really the registrar module. So the geomain registrar module helps you manage and register geomains. In addition to that, we can update category add terms, manage ads from registrars, etc. So the way that we sign up to this is we basically enter a geomain. So let me enter my geomain here. Now this is this is in real time. So actually, what I'd like to do is I would like to very quickly just switch over to the camera so you guys can actually see the device notification come in. So I've entered, I've entered sol here and I'm going to very quickly click on the sign in and then I'm going to and then I will immediately stop the screen share so you guys can see the notification come in and you can see me swipe it so you see how easy this is. So run that and now I'm going to stop the sharing. Okay, can you guys, can you guys see my screen now? Sorry, can you see me? Yes, we can see you. Yes. Yes. So if you see this notification just came in on my device, right? So I'm on the geomain app and I've gotten this little notification because I've entered sol on there and it's asking me to swipe to confirm that I'm the one who's actually signing into this. So I will do that right now. So as soon as I've signed in, right? Let's go back and there you go. It's not giving me access to this. So it's signed me in. So this is exactly how all sign in is going to happen for the geomain registrars because we are not going to be relying on emails, which as we know are inherently insecure. So the way that this will work is if you look at this dashboard, sorry. Can you see my screen now, Chrissy? Sorry. Not yet. Okay, hold on. Can you see my screen now? Yes. Yes, we can. Okay. So you see this, you see this dashboard, geomain registrars. So once I swipe yes, then it granted me access to this post module and what I'm able to do here is it opens on the dashboard page. Now, you know, I'm actually, let me just show you this. So manage post offices. So here I can actually create a post office. So when I click on create post office, I mean, because every country has got different post offices, different numbers. So we can create and identify post offices based on their unique number. We can edit those post offices. We can delete the post office and within those post offices, we can actually add employees, edit employees and delete employees. So this is where we would actually be able to add geomains of employees who are, who would have access to the geomain registrar module that you're seeing in front of you. So when I want to actually now, let's say this is the screen that perhaps an administrator within the post office would actually be seeing. But the teller, the guy or the lady sitting at the counter would actually be seeing this screen when they sign in. So here I'm able to actually search for a geomain. So I'm just going to do a search on Sol again to show you guys that this geomain is already taken. And there it is. So it's actually showing me all the record for my thing. Now once, let's say a customer comes in, I walk into a post office and I say, okay, look, this is who I am. This is my geomain and I'd like to register an additional geomain. So I click on the register and I enter, let's say I want another geomain called Sol2. So it takes the availability says Sol2 is available now. I didn't have to select a category that is a person, business or whatever. I select how many years I wanted for and then I click on the register icon and it's going to tell me, okay, this is the thing, this is the total price. Once I confirm, then what happens is this particular transaction is pushed to your payment gateway with the amount and you, the post office are able to collect payment on this unique transaction, sorry, on this transaction, which has a unique transaction ID number and you're able to basically collect the payment and move on. So this is how people within your post offices would actually be able to register a new choice. Now let's say if I want to manage a geomain, so I can update the category. So let's say if I decided oops, I've actually gotten the wrong category. It shouldn't be business. It's now something that I wanted to be, I want it to be a personal geomain or you know, then I basically switched to person and I can change the category and there's a transaction fee involved in that. And again, by clicking that button, I'm able to make that payment and the category is updated. So I can add terms here. So again, I select okay, fine. So I want to add another five years to this. So I update the terms. Five years would cost me this amount, for example, and the terms are updated and you know, and the invoice is generated using your existing payment processor or whoever that may be. Now this is verify option. So I'm able to select locate this is a geomain, be it a business or a person geomain. So if it's a business, can this particular is a person geomain. So it's asking for an ID card or a driver's license. I'm then able to enter the number for whatever that you need, driver's license number is and I can upload an image if I so choose, right? And then I can basically come post this verification and it's going to save, please verify the details and then if you're correct, then again, I can build in a price here that the post office can decide that, that you know, we want to charge $10 or $5 for this verification, whatever that is. And that amount will then be pushed again to your payment processor and the invoice issued and settled by the consumer. Services are basically going to do with the advertising. So this is again going to be primarily for the business geomains. So this is why it says, select a business geomain. So again, if I've got multiple geomains, all my geomains will list here. As you can see, they're now distinct. So I, you know, I click on geomain.us, right? I didn't select the ad type, whatever that is. So it's a banner ad embedded video and video link. Embedded video is slightly more expensive because it actually runs from within our own servers. And a video link is where you would give me a link to a YouTube video or to a Vimeo video and we can run that. But it is much more better for most businesses, I believe, to actually run an embedded video primarily because in the embedded video, you can be absolutely sure there'll be no advertising, let alone competitive advertising that will show up in the middle of your video. So we all know that when you watch videos on YouTube, a lot of times, you know, you're interrupted by ads and those ads may indeed sometimes be competitive there by defeating the entire purpose of advertising. So we do offer the video link because it's a cheaper option and then many people may still want to do it, but the way to go is really the embedded video. And then there's a standard banner ads.  So for how long do the one that campaign and then again proceed to payment. And once we proceed to payment, then it will actually show, you know, show us an amount and we are able to again push that off to the payment processor. So this is really all that is going to tell her at the post office of the, you know, the counterperson will actually be seen. And these are all the functionalities that they will be able to do from within the geomane module. So there's a user profile, right, they can add, they can search, they can do all of that, they can basically register new geomains, they can basically manage existing geomains update category add terms verify and obviously the advertising, you know, which I've just gone over. And this, this part on the left that you see, this is a restricted view. It's going to be for the post office, you know, headquarters really, who can then create all these different post offices. And then based on hierarchy, they are able to, you know, create who can see what and which page. And here is where they can then the post office has got centralized, the post office headquarters, sorry, will have a centralized employee management white list that they get from where they can add and delete and edit employees. And there's also logs feature, which is not shown here, but you'll be able to see exactly whose access to what module, what time they signed in, what time they signed up and what was their activity. So this is, and all of this is again, available as SaaS or software as a service. So it's all basically over secure VPN that you are then able to basically offer all these services to your customers. So that pretty much is more or less the thing. Yeah. Okay. Just one moment. So we have two questions before you move on. And so there are two questions in the Q&A. Gabriel from Nigerian Post asks, if we have a digital postcode system, which we are to launch soon, how can be integrated into the address verification system? And then a second question from Maria and how is a business verified? Okay. So let me answer the first question from Nigeria Post first. So if you have got any existing national postal system, then what the consumer can do is when you actually download the geomain app and when you create a geospot, there's a little field on there, which says that if you wish to enter the legacy addresses, then you can choose that.  So they can enter that piece of string inside the app. So what will happen is for every geospot that you create, right? Every geospot that you create, you can actually embed your national postal code or postal ID or shortcode, whatever you have. And you can do that from within the geomain app. And that can then be linked if you so wish to your geomain. Okay. So does that answer your question? I guess he'll put it in the chat. The other question about the how is a business verified from Maria and Rowan? Okay.  So when you click on this verified thing, for the businesses, it will actually not show ID card running us in Spasswater to show certificate of incorporation or proof of registration or something of the sort. And you are then able to enter that registration number, whatever that is, and you're able to upload a copy of that document. And if you so wish, then, you know, depending on if the local registration authority supports such a feature, in so far as they can provide an API, we can actually do real-time verification as well. So hypothetically, I could just enter a number and click on verify. And that request can go to the national authority or, you know, whatever that may be. And they can verify that, yes, this is indeed a valid number. And if it's not, then it will come up as invalid. So that's really the only way that we can at this stage verify a particular business. So the owners of verification in the absence of an API from the National Registration Authority is really on the person who's sitting at the post office counter in terms of how good he or she is in actually ascertaining the quality of the document. So is this document a fake? Is it an original? You know, does it have holographs and all of that kind of stuff? So it is a very much a physical inspection process, if you may, that would have to be conducted by the post office staff. And that's exactly what you guys will be charging for. So that's the only way of doing it, as I said, in the absence of an API. But I think as we move forward, more and more countries will be able to introduce these things because none of this is rocket science. And, you know, all of these are things that will be able to help streamline the entire, you know, business processes for every country. All right. So thank you. So just everyone, you can continue to post your questions in a Q&A module. And for those who just had those questions posed, if you feel you wanted to follow up, please continue to use the Q&A module to indicate that it's okay, or you can follow up there as well. All right, so back to you. All right. Thank you. Okay. So the white label app module for E-stamps, we briefly discussed this yesterday as well. And so what we do is we are happy to provide a white label E-stamp app module that can be embedded within existing app of the postal operators, if they so wish, for seeing this functionality. The look and feel here is a standard one, but it could all be customized depending on the colors and the branding of the respective post offices. So, you know, I mean, all of that is possible and doable. And even some of those, you know, the first screen, we've got those different items, the letter, the weight, the same service. If there's any other parameter that, you know, any postal operator would like to add, then that could be done too. So all customer payment is handled by the postal operators existing payment processor. So that's important. And we stress that before as well that we do not deal with the money aspect of things. So this is something that the post office would use very existing payment processes for. Once you've actually entered the basic information in terms of the recipient's geomain, you are then shown the screen, which is screen number two, confirm details. Once you've actually confirmed the details, then before making the payment, we can also embed any number of other requirements, regulatory requirements, be they custom data, be they other border regulations, be they, you know, parcel restrictions, anything else that basically would apply to a specific country. We could actually ask them to fill out specific forms that, you know, can you please fill out this form, be it a declaration form, whatever, before they actually make that purchase. And you know, very important to stress that whilst post would obviously have a much more, you know, it would be a fairly more simple thing because they're primarily letters involved only. But when you talk about some courier companies, then they would have heavier requirements, both from a customs and other regulatory bodies. So we are able, this particular software can support multiple number of forms that can then be appended to this, you know, to the app and that can, that would require to be completed online before the payment page comes up. So in so far as a customs declaration is completed, and if customs then for any reason decides to actually invalidate that particular form, they can basically reject it on the spot and the payment page would never come up. So again, that has to do with the National Customs Agency, we are able to provide an API with the specific requirements and we are, you know, all that we do at our end really would be to embed the form that they currently have or that they wish to have, you know, within our app. And that form needs to be completed by the user as far as it's successfully completed and properly completed. And it is, you know, it could be validated by the respective customs of order agency authorities. And all of this will have to happen in real time, which again is, you know, possible, I'm sure. And once that's done, then they will be able to go on to the payment page and make that payment. And the E-Stamp is the initial, which is the last one. So essentially, what will then happen is if you think about it, the E-Stamp becomes extremely powerful because it can have all sorts of declarations, all sorts of custom, you know, regulatory requirements, etc., all of them embedded within that one single QR code. So it's essentially a unified QR code for end-to-end, you know, delivery of parcels and letters globally. Okay. So that's pretty much the end of the tech side of things. This is our mission, which we reviewed yesterday as well. And that's about a bit about me and my co-founder, who isn't here this afternoon either. So I would like to ask anyone if they've got any specific questions or regards to the architecture so that I could answer those questions, please. Thank you. So we do have two questions in the Q&A box. And actually, there are business questions. Interesting enough today. So that's okay. Manoj from India Post is asking what he's suggesting. The idea of geomain is very good. But to implement it, postal departments have to invest to change hardware and software at the post office. So the monetary gain for postal departments or companies through geomain sales can only fund the investment they have to make. What can you say on this? Excuse me. Okay. What I would say is that from a hardware and software perspective, right, let's actually analyze this in two phases. One is that one is the customer or the consumer facing hardware and software. And the other is really, you know, the back office or the sorting hardware and software. So with respect to the consumer side, as I showed you the postal module, so we've got that available on SaaS. So in so far as you have a connected device in the post office, and I believe most post offices do have internet connectivity and they do have connected devices. So in so far as you take an access to secure browser, then there is no additional hardware that is required for you to actually start offering geomains, right? Because the software is, as I said, it's available as a service and the hardware if you've got so so so maybe I would like to ask the question to you that if you could tell me whether you've got actually devices that are internet connected at every post office in India. All right. So while we wait for that response, Mohan is asking Eden where he's from. What is the revenue model for post offices, which are collecting transaction charges? Okay. As you saw in the module demo that I did, we've got a whole variety of services that become available once you become a geomain registrar. So you've got the sale of geomain names, you've got renewal, you've got term extension, you've got category change, you've got verification, all these things. So I think we did go over the pricing yesterday. So for business category geomains, it is $9.99 per year minimum of two year registration. So that means the actual invoice would be about $19.98 and postal operators can, you know, earn a 25% commission on that. So if you if somebody comes in and renews it for say 10 years, then that's basically let's say that that would be close to $100. So that would then work out to almost $25 in commission to the postal operators. If you if there is to upgrade category, then of course, there's a fee for that as well. Because every time that you do a category change, it's actually considered as a new registration. And any any prior payment that you have made for that geomain is then basically forfeited, because it's a brand new category. And the reason for that is because business category geomains are actually premium. You're able to serve advertising on it, they have more features. So we do not want people to to start registering business, to start registering personal geomains and then using it for business purposes. So this again something that would help. I think what Mary and asked previously that you know, how are we able to identify this. So, you know, in, I think more often than not, businesses would be compelled to go and register a business category geomain if they are carrying on business activities. So at this moment in time, I believe one of the problems is that we have individuals who are conducting businesses, right, but they're able to do it under under their own personal ID and under their own personal names and you know, whatever. So with with all these different services, the most important we believe over a period of time will actually become the advertising. We all know that, you know, Google is an advertising company, you know, they make billions in revenues from advertising. And post offices can actually become, you know, part of a similar solution.  And perhaps I personally believe that revenue from advertising will in the next three or four years overshadow revenue from the sales of geomain names themselves, primarily because advertising is is such a compelling value proposition for businesses. And we've kept it at a very, very fair pricing. And our campaigns are unlike existing advertisers available. It's not contextual. So there are a lot of other new things we are coming up with on the advertising side of things. So we feel that this is something that will take off significantly. So the revenue split is, as I said, you know, 25% in favor of post. And in terms of, you know, how much, how much revenue post can expect really depends on the number of businesses, the population of the country, and several other factors, and also how well you guys, you know, post are able to promote geomains. So insofar as insofar as if we are able to promote them, you know, in an effective manner, then I think the adoption can be significantly higher and that will result in significantly higher revenues. All right, thank you. So we have three questions related to E-stamps. I think I'll ask them together, as they all seem to relate to each other. So the first one, what exactly is an E-stamp, right? So that's question one. And then the relationship, I think there's another question that will be helpful for anonymous attendee. May I know if the E-stamp is to be generated as a QR code or an image of a physical stamp? What are the available securities to prevent unlawful reproduction of the E-stamp? And then, relatedly, a physical stamp has a lifespan before being taken out of the counter. Could that be achieved for the E-stamp as well? So three E-stamps. Okay, I hope I don't forget those questions. So I might have to ask you to repeat them. So the first question was, what was an E-stamp? In short, an E-stamp is really a QR code representation of a specific transaction which relates to a parcel or postal item, be it a letter being sent from a sender to a recipient, both of whom have a geomain address or geomain ID. So that E-stamp is really just a QR code. The reason it's a QR code is because it's a digital identity and it's the fastest way of being able to sort a letter as compared to OCR technology, which currently has been in use for over two decades by post offices, if not more actually. And QR codes is really the future, primarily because of the speed of processing and the convenience that they basically bring. So that I hope answers the first question in terms of what is the E-stamp. Then the second question I believe was why is the E-stamp safer? So the second question was, I think you may have addressed some of it. Is the E-stamp to be generated as a QR code or an image of a physical stamp, which I think you just answered, but relatedly, what are the available securities to prevent unlawful reproduction of the E-stamp? Okay, I think we missed two other questions before this. Unfortunately, every time that I'm trying to scroll, but I can't see those questions, they seem to be. No, I'm calling on to all the questions. I have no fear. I'm tracking them. Okay, sorry. So the E-stamp will be generated as a QR code, as we said, as an image of a physical stamp. Well, there is a possibility, if post offices wish to have, let's say for example, a national monument, we could embed an additional image. So once a QR code is, once the E-stamp is actually scanned, then a specific national monument photo could actually be shown. Let's say if it's a country's national day, so for that entire week, they could actually show that additional image. So we have been working on that on the site. It's not implemented as yet, but something that is doable. So if post offices really want to hold on to some level of nostalgia in terms of having the old style of stamps where they've got different issues for different throughout the year for different events, then yes, I mean, that is possible to do. However, there would be absolutely no utility per se of that particular image that would then be displayed alongside the QR code. We could actually have the QR code and that image printed outside by site as well, if so wished, but the actual utility would only be of the QR code. So I hope that answers that question. Then what are the available securities to prevent unlawful reproduction of the E-stamp? This is very interesting. QR code stamps, you know, a handful of countries have launched them in Europe, and these are, there's a very distinct difference between the existing value QR code stamps and our QR code E-stamps. So value QR code stamps simply say that this is a value stamp of 50 pence, for example, or, you know, 50 cents, whatever. And as long as I stick it on to a letter, that letter will get delivered if that is what the postage is for that particular letter. And I could basically send it to anybody whose address I scribble on the envelope. A QR code of the E, or rather the E-stamp is very unique in that the E-stamp is designed for a unique transaction. As I said, it is for a specific, from a specific sender to a specific recipient.  I cannot have that E-stamp redirected to anyone else except the person or organization that you have generated that E-stamp for. So there's absolutely no benefit in actually stealing an E-stamp. And that in itself, we believe is a major, you know, negative point from all, you know, for all thieves and hackers because they can do absolutely nothing with it. So I hope that that answers that question. What's the next question? The next question is, a physical stamp has a lifespan before being taken out of the counter. Can that be achieved for the E-stamp also? Yes, a physical stamp has a lifespan.   So those stamps pretty much have a lifespan of several years. So in short, the E-stamp in itself, basically, we have actually limited the lifespan of the E-stamp to about 60 days, primarily for security reasons. So you can generate an E-stamp and if you so choose, you know, you don't have to use it for 60 days. But after 60 days, you will receive a notification to say that this E-stamp is now expiring, we'd like to renew it. And if you'd like to renew it, then you click on the renew button and you can renew it for another 60 days. So hypothetically, you could do that perpetually if you so wish, but that just means that you've got funds locked into an E-stamp that you're not using. All right. There's about five questions coming in. Please keep them coming. Mohan, what about the processes like account reconciliation and payments to the renew and dot post? Okay. Account reconciliation, because this is all automated SaaS, there will be a real-time billing where I think I showed you that on the dashboard, you'll be able to see exactly all the sales that have been generated and we would be able to read as GeoMain would be able to see exactly what is going to us by the post offices. We would generate an invoice at the end of the month and send that to you electronically and we would expect you to settle that within 50 days by way of bank wire transfer to our account and the cycle will go online like that. So that's how that works. So all of that is basically going to be online with very clear trail and very clear visibility in terms of the number of GeoMains you sold, what those GeoMains were, who you sold them to, what time you sold them, from which IP address you sold them, which post office you sold them, and which post office teller sold them. So all of that information will be available online. All right. Asan asks again, not saying where they're from, I believe this might be Senegal though I could be wrong. What are the prerequisites for post administration to use GeoMain technology? The only prerequisites are that you guys must have internet connectivity and you must have a device, i.e. a computer available at post offices, because without being connected to our servers, you are not able to have access to the GeoMain module and without that, you're not able to basically use our technology. So insofar as if you've got that connectivity and we would want to secure connectivity, which means we would insist on a static IP address from where all requests will be coming in. So insofar as these two right here are net, then the rest of the stuff is very easy to basically provision. So that's not an issue. Feel free to get in touch with me on my email address, which is on the presentation, and I can walk you through the steps. And as I mentioned yesterday, we are looking for the, you know, we are looking for postal operators to come in and run pilars with us. And we'd be delighted to basically run the spiders so you can see how easy this entire thing is. All right, Mohammed, actually Mohammed has two questions, but one is actually a follow-up, which is interesting. What can GeoMain offer to the DOs, the designated operators, that will implement postal registered electronic mail service? His follow-up is that he would be grateful if the answer can be written. So what can GeoMain offer to the DOs that will implement postal registered electronic mail service? Okay, I understand the question. Yes, I think that's a product that for some, I don't want to say it's in the past, but there was a electronic mailbox project that... Oh, right, right, right. More like emails, right? Well, yes. So if I'm mistaken, and I guess I'll be correct if I'm wrong, it's a secure mailbox, quote-unquote electronic mailbox, adjustment consent transactions, and so on, that kind of thing. Right, right. That's a possibility in the energy thousands and so on. Okay, excuse me. Mohammed, there's something very exciting, but unfortunately I'm not at liberty to talk about that at the moment, but there is something we are doing which is going to be far better than that, but it's still a few months away. So my suggestion to you would be sign up, let's run a pilot, and we'd be happy to get you to be one of the first to basically trial that out, and that's against some mind-blowing technology which will be launching as part of the entire GeoMain value proposition. So that's all I can... I'm at liberty to speak at right now about that. All right. In the chat, Al Fawzan, who I think he was here yesterday, we did have this question asked and answered yesterday, but I will try and see if I can help again. So he's asking what is the link between the universal digital ID and the addressing and postcode units of the UPU? And what we said yesterday is that the UPU does not specifically pick winners and losers in this kind of discussion. GeoMain is a consultant committee member, a post group member, and they're one of the wider poster sector players that are working with the UPU to develop standards, to develop or advise on policies, and work on overall technology thinking approaches and potentially, as you're seeing today, offer a solution to the post. So there's no... I wouldn't say there's no link, or I wouldn't say there is a link. I would just say that it's sort of a collaborative exercise that's working with the UPU as a whole, and GeoMain has invested in partnering with the UPU to help the UPU with this addressing and postcode project that another unit in the UPU, the addressing unit, actually is doing. So I guess you would say to keep your eyes and ears open and reach out to both the UPU and GeoMain to see what or how this is going forward. As I said, there's no specific... GeoMain is the solution or not the solution. It's sort of a working together to see how best we can do this. And as I said, they have something already ready to run. So feel free as opposed to contact them to explore these opportunities. I think that's the best way I could explain that. In terms of the other questions coming in, Ruby, I don't know where this individual is from, could E-STAMP replace the postage paid for electronic letters? For example, bank statements, I think maybe bank account statements they referred to. So similar thinking where you have this sort of, you know, STAMP, I think you talked about yesterday where they do this, frankly. Yes, you're electronic mail, right? So as I said, that is... Well, I don't know because it's postage paid for electronic letters, which is interesting. So the electronic mail, there's no postage, right? Obviously. So I'm not sure she's referring to or she or he's referring to the idea of having bank sending out statements that attract postage costs. I don't know if that's what they're referring to. It's not too clear. Maybe the English is not... Would you clarify that, please, Ruby? Yeah. You can type in the chat if it's too hard to type in the Q&A. All right. So we'll wait for that postage paid for electronic letters. That's an interesting question. What's the electronic letter? All right. And then no further questions at this point. So until let's see what comes up with our rabies on clarification and we can move on with that. Did we get a response from the gentleman from India about whether they've got internet devices there? No, no. So it happened to respond. Connectivity? Perhaps, yes. So you could put your contact information in the chat. So then in case people may want to speak directly to you, feel free to reach out to Sola. Sola, do you mean, but Sola put it in the chat so he can answer any questions directly to you. And there was a question earlier about whether you're getting the recordings and so on. Yes. Once our communications team is able to help us with our uploads, et cetera, we will be sharing the recordings on our YouTube channel. As a matter of fact, just like yesterday's session has been posted already on the channel. So when I put a link in the chat, so you can go ahead and go to yesterday's session already, which is currently available. All right. I think India Post systems are not directly exposed to open internet. Okay. If they're not exposed to the open internet, it is still possible because they have the, you know, I would imagine there must be some kind of connectivity to the outside world, perhaps at a secondary or tertiary layer. So if that is the case, then they, as I showed in the architecture document, we could have some kind of a local registry provision within India's National Borders that could then be used for these purposes and mainly if you really think about it, any and all services provided by registrars, I post India or India Post would be for Indian citizens or Indian businesses, right? So that, by definition, would be within National Borders. So it is possible for us, as shown in the architecture earlier, for us to actually have that software installed locally on service of India Post or even, you know, the unique providers in India where all of that can then remain within National Borders. So I don't see much of a problem with that. But again, I would be very happy for the gentleman to send me an email and I'll be able to explain that in a better way with some more technical details. And Mohan clarifies support, opening and wide listing of URLs may be required, which I, yes, this is exactly what I said earlier that we would insist on a static IP address, you know, for security reasons and specific port, so which would be operating would need to be opened up. But in addition to that, you could also have a local instance, if you may write deployed locally on your service, if you so wish, that could then upload all this, that could then handle all of this registration, and then basically upload the, you know, file to us in terms of what those activities were. All right, so somebody's asking for your email ID and the Q&A, so I guess enough watching the chat, so I'll put it here as well. So in the Q&A, I've just shared your email ID with Manoj, but let's everybody know that Hugh actually posted, I'm just letting you know, so you posted only to the, to the panelists. So Hugh posted to everyone. Oh, I'm sorry. So Hugh posted your email, solargeomain.com. Okay, thank you. So in the chat, I posted to everyone. So that's at 12, 23 p.m. in the chat, just scroll up to 12, 23 p.m. Well, that's our time I should say, so 23 minutes past the hour and for most people. All right, we have just about four minutes left in this session. Do we have several questions, sir? Right now there are no different questions. Rabi has not clarified the question about electronic letters. So I don't know how we can answer that without further clarification. So Rabi, if you're listening, you have a couple of minutes left to clarify exactly what you mean by postage paid for electronic letters. What does that mean exactly? And in the meantime, the responses I think have been pretty clear. So do you have any final comments or words that you would like to share with those who have been here today? As you know, this is a more technical audience, so maybe you could address that. Yes, I would basically like to invite everybody to come in and do this pilot with us. I think that over a period of time, being the optimist that I am, I think that eventually the revenues that will be coming in from becoming a German partner would be fairly significant and it is something that even like to be some post offices would be able to actually stop the living of the subsidies, the government subsidies and they could become self-sufficient enterprises in their own right. And all of this is SAS, SAS, which is software as a service. It is something that is available if you can be set up in a very short period of time. As I said, the only requirements are we need a static IP. We need post offices that actually become registrars to have a internet connected device and a secure browser through which they can access the service. And we are more than happy to work with all postal operators everywhere to get this going. And it is really those post offices I believe that are innovators who can come in as pioneers of the service. And I do feel that based on the interest that we are getting from even the major players for that matter, this is something that will be adopted over a period of time. And Germans will become the default address we hope as we start goal by the year 2027. Okie doke. Thank you very much. And I'm not seeing any further request for clarification or questions. So as we said, sole at geomain.com is addressed. You have any further questions, anything you wanted to clarify in any writing, anything you would like to get more information on, please do reach out to geomain directly and not on this anything commercial or anything like that. I would prefer you did not use the UPU channels to do that. We are just facilitating the webinar. Anything beyond that, reach out directly to geomain at sole at geomain.com to facilitate any further discussions. So I think that's about it. Not seeing any more questions. If we could hear, let's see. We connect through email, right? So that's fine. Good. So I think that's about it. So thank you very much for joining us today.  And I really appreciate all of those who joined us the last two days on our webinar series and talking and engaging with geomain, our dot post associate group member, as well as a consultant committee member, the UPU. And feel free to reach out to us at dot post. You can contact us at secretariat.info.post or look at info.post for more information about what dot post offers. And we look forward to offering you more webinars in the next few months. So with that, I just want to wish you bye-bye. Enjoy the rest of your day. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, Tracy. Thank you. And hope to see you guys soon. And please reach out to me. Have a great day.


I'd like to say a few words about our place in the universe, but before I can go into that in depth, we have to talk about a couple of things, because the universe is big. It's huge on a scale that defies human comprehension. The planets, the distance between stars, the distance between galaxies is so enormous that we can't use regular measurement systems to even talk about these structures. But also, the universe is in motion, still buzzing 13.8 million years after the Big Bang. So when we have this discussion, we don't talk about our exact place in the universe, but instead we talk about our relative place, because we are always in motion, and we can tell where we are compared to other things. So in order to have this discussion tonight, I'm going to break the universe into five levels of scale that will make it easier for us to understand when we look up in the sky what exactly we're looking at. So we'll start simple here at Stylen. Here we are sitting in a very stable spot. Compared to the city of Munich, we're at rest. But in fact, at this moment, we are all moving in that direction, which is east, at 1,000 kilometers per hour. Now the good news is the building moves with us, so are the cars, the streets, the air, everything is moving that way, because every 24 hours, we, relative to the center of the Earth, of our Earth's axis, make a 24-hour journey at a very high speed. In fact, the distance is quite fast. We live here north of the equator, 48 degrees north, and at this latitude, we're going to move in the next 24 hours about 24,000 kilometers. Now the next level of scale up from here is to go up to the solar system. To look at the Sun, and then the system that we are in, which is the Earth and the Moon, moving as a unit around the Sun. So when we get to this level here, now things are going to change a touch. We are 150 million kilometers from the Sun. And those of you that can do a little bit of math will know that that comes out to 950 million kilometers once around the Sun. Will you travel that distance, of course? Every year. And if you take that and you break it down into the amount that we're moving right now, our system is traveling at 100,000 kilometers per hour. 100 times faster than we're moving around on the surface of the Earth. That helps us to get a sense of that scale. Now before we can go to level 3 in our discussion, I want to clarify a particular topic. And that topic is the light year. Now you being a crowd that's interested in science, you've probably heard of the light year before, but I'd like to say if you think about that, because a light year is not a measure of time. It's a measure of distance. It's a measure precisely of how far light travels in one year. So let's think about this. If we're standing here at the Sun, and a photon of light now emerges from the surface of the Sun and begins moving at the speed of light, that photon will travel for a little more than 8 minutes to reach the Earth's surface. Now I just said a moment ago that the Earth is 150 million kilometers from the Sun. The speed of light, 300,000 kilometers per second. If you divide this by this, you're going to get, but it takes about 8 and a third minutes for that photon of light to get to the Earth. So you can even think of this as distance. You could say that we here on Earth are 8 and a third light minutes from the Sun. That's a distance measurement. Now if that same photon of light keeps traveling after one day, after 24 hours, that photon of light will now be in interstellar space. That is to say it will have left the solar system and will be on its way to the next star. So a light day, you're out of the solar system. After 365 of those, there is your light here. If you go another 4.4 of those, you're going to get to the next nearest star system to the Earth, which is called Alpha Centauri. So that little photon of light took 4.4 years. And in that time, because one light year is 10 trillion kilometers, we can say it traveled 44 trillion kilometers, which is a big mouthful. Or it traveled 4.4 light years. Got it? So the bottom line is a light year is a measure of distance. And from this point forward, I'm only going to talk about light years because that's going to be pretty important at level 3, which is when we talk about a galaxy. And in fact, I'll focus in on our own Milky Way galaxy, where we live.  And in our case, our galaxy has about 250 billion stars. And the distances are vast. From one end to the other, 100,000 light years. I just said a moment ago, Alpha Centauri, 4. Right? So here we are 25,000 times that distance across our galaxy. So here we are. That would be our sun. That's going around, including here. And in fact, there's motion because galaxies, as you can see our Milky Way is a spiral galaxy. It has these beautiful spiral arms. We're all moving. We meaning the Earth, the sun, the solar system. All the stars you can see in the sky tonight. Everything is moving in this beautiful grand cosmic dance that takes 200 million years to traverse once around the center of our own Milky Way galaxy. That's the motion happening at the Galactic Wall. Now, hundreds and hundreds of years ago, the early astronomers thought, well, we're in a galaxy, so it seems a lot of stars. There might be more, but they had no way to prove it. That proof didn't come until just one or two years ago when Edwin Hubble was able to discern with very powerful telescopes. And in fact, we can also see objects that are much, much more distant than 100,000 light years. And as soon as we began to spot those with the better telescopes so that we could quickly determine that there were not a few, not hundreds of thousands, but just an enormous number of galaxies that we could see in the night sky. But the astronomers also discovered that in fact these galaxies come in clusters. They group together, gravitation, and then there is a vast empty space and then the next galaxy cluster. And that takes us to the next level and our little journey into the local Galactic Group. That's our own group. This is our Galactic Neighborhood, so to speak. And this is a pretty big structure, so in order to make sense of this, 10 million light years across. Now that is, think back to the Milky Way, one galaxy, 100,000 light years, and now we've gone up by a factor of 100. So here's our Milky Way galaxy. And in fact, once again, we're not sitting still. We're all buzzing around in motion. And the motion that we have today is taking us in the direction of the Andromeda Galaxy, which you can see over there on the lower right. The Andromeda Galaxy is the biggest galaxy in our local Galactic Group. There's 54 galaxies. Andromeda is number one, number two. We're up to 30 sides of Andromeda heading toward, and in fact in four and a half billion years, we're going across. Now, it goes further or not yet at the top level because in more recent years, in just the last couple of decades, our ability to analyze these distant galaxies got even better. And astronomers at the University of Hawaii did a study of 8,000 galaxies and began to look at the motion of all those galaxies. So 8,000 galaxies encompasses a lot more than just our local group. It was all around our section of the universe. And in doing this analysis, what they discovered is what they call a superstructure. And they named Lani Akiya, which is Hawaiian, because well, they're at the University of Hawaii. And Lani and Akiya means enormous heaven. It's a beautiful name, isn't it? And this Lani Akiya superstructure, they saw something interesting happening because it wasn't just lots of galaxies out there in our neighborhood in the universe. But in fact, there was a motion, there was a movement connecting all these galaxies. That's why they call it a superstructure. And that motion, in fact, by the way, I would say Lani is across, Lani is across, so we're talking about big distances. There's our local group. Here we are. This is to the next level. All of these galaxy clusters are in motion when they map the motion. This is an image now of, you see these thread-like lines with arrows that are pointing in. In fact, all of the galaxies are moving. We're up here in one of the threads, but we all are moving in the direction of something that they have named the Great. And what is the Great Attractor? We're sure we'll discover even greater superstructures. So that brings us to the universe, or more precisely said, the observable universe. In all of its glory here, 46 million light-years that we have identified and documented. But we say the observable universe because that's what we can see, only perceived in the realm of science things that we can see and measure. But what we know is that beyond this border there are further distances that are yet to be explored. Given today's technology, they will remain out there and explored for the time being. Now, you don't have to take all this, because I'm saying it, I'll take my word for it. In fact, you can go outside and see this. So this is a little diagram from an astronomy that I use in my laptop. It's called sky safari. And many of you on your mobile phones probably have different kinds of astronomy maps where you can map what the sky looks like in a given night in a given place. And I put this up with a view to the south to give you a little tour of these superstructures and these structures we can see then right here. For example, when you look to the south, you can find Jupiter in Saturn, Pluto, Uranus, Neptune, and the Moon. And they all follow along a path in the sky that's called the Ecliptic. That is to say, when you look out into the sky and you follow this path, what you're doing is you're looking into our own solar system. And now, if we have a little bit of a darker sky, because this is, of course, a map, I think it would look if it was a bit darker outside, and you go from the southwest of the sky up to the northeast, there's this beautiful fuzzy band of light. And that's our own Milky Way. That's us in our Milky Way galaxy looking out at it on the edge.  The Andromeda Galaxy. That is to say, our big brother, if you will, here on our local galactic group up there in that part of the sky. And so everything we are here is in the Milky Way and we can look out there and say, another big galaxy out there. And because we live in the northern hemisphere, we can't see all the stars in the night sky. We're limited. But if we could travel south of the equator, we could go down, if you're in South America, Australia, you could then spot a constellation called Centaurus. And when you're looking in that direction, you just have to know and trust that what you're looking at is the direction of the Great Attractive, that place that is drawing all of the stars, the galaxies, the galaxy groups from the Andromeda to some direction. So why am I telling you all of this tonight? First of all, we are privileged people. We stand on the shoulders of the giants who came before us, Newton and Galileo and Copernicus and Hubble and the scientists at the University of Hawaii. Those who have shown us the breadth and extraordinary depth of our universe have given us a gift and we can celebrate that for we as a people have more knowledge about our own cosmos than anybody in the history of humankind. But the second reason and the deeper meaning for me is that we can go outside and look up and see and understand in the universe and having this knowledge enables us to better appreciate that we are just but one people traveling together through the universe on planet Earth. What's your question in the second row of the intro? That was very inspiring. One question. We can't remember correctly one of the scientific video clips on YouTube channel Cruise Design. So it was mentioned that extra stellar objects are moving away from each other outside of the universe from the feedback center. And at some point the distance between the objects was so large that the light even if so many people across the universe were really impermanent in all this darkness and space. On the other hand you're saying all the bodies are moving into the center of the universe. So how does it work? So yeah, so the basic is this and then we can give you a quick answer the long answer is during the beach break. The quick answer is this everything in the universe is expanded, right? And we have dark matter and dark energy we don't fully understand but we know that there is these forces that are pushing us away. What the scientists at the University of Hawaii did with the 8,000 galaxies they studied is they normalized for that movement. And they said if you ignore that movement which is a macro movement across the entire universe and just localized on the modern region then they saw if you will a macro effect on top of the general expansion. So it's like if everyone's running away but they're all running in one direction and they're running away from the agenda but they're kind of in one path that's the nature of money. And where's the cube? The microphone cube. Okay, there's another question just behind the camera. Would you mind if we throw it in? Can you catch it? Marcus will catch it. He's tall. Okay, there we go. On this slide we highlighted the convergent lines to the great attractor. There were also different lines converging in different cases. What were those? So at the same time that we've now discerned that we have a Laniakia on that very image on the left and on the right there were actually two other superstructures. We haven't fully mapped those yet but what we do know is that they're not Laniakia. So we know that there's another superstructure here and there's another one over here and I think it was called Peresius or something like that. Yeah, it's another one over here. So there are two more that we've identified but we haven't mapped them fully yet. Yeah, so there... I have confidence that if we get together in this room in 20 years and redo this talk we're going to know a lot more stuff about those other things, right? Okay, so for my question if you share some light how do you actually measure the distances on the supervaster level? It's really interesting so what are the challenges or in general what are the processes of sexual understanding in terms of huge space? On average when you're measuring distance in the universe, particularly when you get to these extremely distant objects let me flip it around. When things are close to us we can measure we're traveling a very long distance 150 million kilometers around, so 300 million kilometers end every year on the Earth and when we look at a distant object we look at what's called parallax, right? Because if we're here then we move over here six months later we measure the same spot we can say, looks like it shifted, that's parallax. So for objects that are relatively near in the galaxy we can use that method. Because as mentioned because we are moving apart from each other for the most part we can say, well the distance to Andromeda 2.4 million light years we see this much redshift if we see even more when you get further out to these more distant objects we can then estimate the distance out to those further objects. There's more to it than that but that's the quick version. Thank you very much.