it's the omnibus i would just ask that you expand it a little further around equity and then also include me in those conversations because i think that there are a lot of folks who who ask me the questions and i don't have the answers because i'm not on the joint like jccpc and i'm not paying attention as closely as i would if i were on it absolutely and the i'm calling it equity omnibus but it won't be mixed in with other things it'll be a series of amendments that are focused on all sorts of equity issues like like you raised so the other thing that we're going to try and do i think in response to some community members concern including this kesslers that you know things get buried in omnibus it's kind of dense and hard to get through is when we have enough of the same type of amendment to just call it out pull it out and make it a standalone amendment and be super clear and transparent about what it is so we'll you'll be seeing more of that moving forward too thank you miss young thank you that was super helpful appreciate your response to councilmember freeman's questions i'm excited about what you said i completely agree that the the minor special use permit process is very problematic i didn't know that we had state law that required us to just have such short notice for people i'm constantly discovering state laws that are hindering us but this was one i didn't know about um and i think that that is another reason to do just exactly what you said which is change the things that are inside this the minor special use permit process and make more things legislative so thank you very super helpful um and uh appreciate councilmember freeman for surfacing those all right councilmember freeman i just want to ask are you having heard miss young's plans uh to uh the changes in process she's proposed uh are you good with going ahead with this i am okay with going ahead with this i would not say good but um i will withdraw that request to to pull the item from the list all right thank you colleagues uh we need a motion to adopt the uh as i read uh motion number one there to adopt the ordinance samir i think i did i thought i offered the motion you probably did and i forgot why don't you do it again councilmember make the motion absolutely move is right is there a second second second uh seconded by councilmember caballero uh motion by councilmember middleton seconded by councilmember caballero madame clerk will you please call the roll mere shul mere pro tem johnson hi councilmember caballero hi it's a member freelon hi it's a member freeman hi it's a member middleton i will i it's member east hi thank you thank you madame clerk the motion passes unanimously and we'll now move to the consistency statement is their motion to adopt the consistency statement that moved second moved by councilmember reese seconded by councilmember caballero madame clerk will you please call the roll mere shul your pro tem johnson hi it's a member caballero hi it's a member freelon hi it's a member freeman hi it's a member middleton i vote aye councilmember reese i vote aye thank you all right colleagues the motion passes unanimously uh thank you madame clerk and thank you mr stock thank you miss young uh and we appreciate all the work that uh brought us to this uh this omnibus text amendment and we look forward to more we'll now move to item 22 zoning map change cost of north duke and uh we'll first hear the report from staff thank you very much good evening again michael stock with the planning department uh daniel jewel of culture jewel temps pa proposes to change the zoning designation of four parcels of land totaling approximately two and a half acres located along the west side of north duke street south of west carver street and north of stadium drive the current zoning is office institutional with the development plan or oid and residential urban five or r u five the applicant proposes to change this designation to plan development residential 8.000 or pdr 8.000 the change is proposed to change no change is proposed to the current watershed overlay designation of the fjb the properties are currently designated office on the future land use map if the proposed zoning is approved staff recommends a change to the flum to designate the property as medium high density residential planning commission recommended approval 11 to 1 on march 9th the applicant was granted an expedited hearing by council on march 1st and therefore the planning commission was not permitted to continue the hearing however it does not preclude council from continue its public hearing or limit any other action council may wish to make regarding this request the plan indicates a list of committed elements detailed on the cover sheet of the plan and summarized in the report the foremost is a commitment to affordable housing for all the units as defined by the udo which mandates a maximum of 60 percent am i at a time of lease for rentals 30 year minimum for that affordability clause and monitoring through the community development department subsequent to the planning commission hearing the applicant added an additional committed commitment to prohibit all construction traffic from accessing the site from birmingham avenue the applicant discussed this with staff since residents who spoke at the planning commission hearing were concerned about traffic to and from the site thus all traffic construction and regular is limited to north duke street additionally a planning commissioner brought up a concern regarding the proposed building envelope as you know development plans are required to show them this plan shows two one primary or definitive envelope outside of the required 100 foot stream buffer that is shown on the plan and a secondary one that shows a limited amount of encroachment into that stream buffer the secondary envelope does not automatically allow the encroachment but shows the extent to which the applicant may seek it through the special approvals during site plan review which is through a quasi-judicial hearing with the board of adjustment similar contingencies have been applied to other development aspects on other development plans such as access points that may be may not be approved unless approved by ncdot or even more recently with harriots place where variance to a project boundary buffer was reserved as a contingency which raised no concern by the planning commission the city attorney's office has also reviewed this and had no concern the planning commission did recommend approval as i mentioned before 11 to 1 on march 9th and again council is requested to take two actions first on the ordinance itself and then the appropriate statement of consistency thank you be happy to answer any questions any applicant and a representative of casa are available for questions thank you very much uh mr stock colleagues you have heard the report from staff i'm now going to clear this public hearing open and first ask if there any questions for staff by members of the council council member reese thank you mr mayor um i have can you um hold on a second mr stock can you tell me a little bit more i don't i must not have been paying close enough attention to the harriots place case i didn't know that there was a condition there that uh that was conditional upon some future variance by the board of adjustment can you can you help refresh my recollection about that yeah there was excuse me sorry michael stock with the planning department um yes actually one of the tax commitments was a uh a reservation to seek a variance from project boundary buffers um as as necessary okay that's great the other question i had was um the kind of the notice sign for this particular uh case i know that one was placed on north duke street sort of in the north end of the property was there one placed at any of the entrances um to birmingham avenue there is no no specific entrance on birmingham avenue i don't i can't say for certain whether there was i'm hoping a sign was placed there but i do not know offhand um for certain if there was one okay well there wasn't one today so that's that's what i can tell you about that thank you um and i was pretty surprised to see the only sign the only notice sign was on uh the very speedy north duke uh edge of the property but i'm assuming that that that that if that was the only sign in place that that was sufficient to meet the requirements in this kind of process is that is that right mr stock um i believe so i would have to um i would have to look at the state statutes to make sure that that that does meet it i'm assuming it does meet it um if not we would have to come back and get this re re heard okay um well i don't know what to do about that but those are the questions i had thank you mr manor thank you councilmember all right any questions for mr stock before we hear from members of the public okay uh we have three uh two people signed up for this item we also have another person here i think may want to speak on this item those people are mr dan jewel and is jess brandis i also see zenki batson here zenki batson are you here to speak on this item as well and if you are could you put that in the chat please okay yes all right thank you zenki batson are you here as a proponent or an opponent of this um i live on birmingham so i can just speak to the fact that there was no notification on our street or at um wisteria and i'll just share that the majority of people who's prop who are living in homes um that will be affected by this are renters so the only way they know about it is be as a homeowner letting them know um miss batson yes um we we have a i'm going to get back to you in a minute um we have a process that we have to go through here on the public hearing um so i'll get back to you in just a second okay okay yeah um we'll start with the proponents and then we'll get to you are you are you let me ask you again miss batson are you a proponent or an opponent of this development miss batson can you make yourself heard yeah i guess i'm not specifically one or the other okay that's fine thank you that was helpful all right uh mr jul and miss brandis um would you are are you all uh would you like to speak on this item yes sir just for a few minutes can you hear me all right yes we can and i hope maybe you can address the uh question of the sign as well uh i i will the best i can so uh thank you for your time good evening uh mr mayor members of the council uh dan jul again good good to see you all um all right good folks of kasa have asked us to help them with the rezoning of the site uh it's a somewhat challenging piece of property but we're very excited to bring this request before you uh i want to thank mr stock for all his work he gave you gave a very thorough staff report and i will not be repetitive on on most of it as mr sock said this site is is largely defined by stream buffers in fact 75 of this property is in riparian buffer there's a 50 foot state mandated buffer in durham has another 50 feet on top of that because it's in the fjb watershed there was actually a previous rezoning on this property back in the 90s for an office building that building would have been 100 percent in the stream buffer of course the stream buffers did not exist 25 years ago that's not what we want to do that's not what we're going to do but absent the d on the o and i d portion of the property uh we would actually be able to do this uh project with a site plan approval rather than a rezoning but that's not not what it is so we are here making this request and what we are proposing is a small apartment building with something less than than 20 units and most importantly as mr stock said we're committing to those units being 100 percent affordable as defined by the udo we're not requesting affordable housing density bonus even though we would be uh entitled to one because we we know the site won't support it there's only so much that can go on this site and uh and that's that's the conversation we've had the neighbors with the neighbors uh and to that end um what i would like to say that um when we had our our virtual neighborhood meeting uh last year the neighbors did raise some concerns over the loss of uh of trees on this property of course as you can imagine they they've been able to enjoy for all the years they've lived there uh woods between the back of their houses and duke street this site is sandwiched in between the two so we we let them know that we would meet out there on site and talk about stream buffers and talk about buffers and talk about the woods and we've actually done that twice now uh the rallying point was there on birmingham where a little bit of the uh the site touches uh birmingham avenue i can't recall if there was a sign out there or or not even though if i've been out there a couple times i will i will trust the the neighbors on on whether one was there or not but as you can imagine the the primary interest by the neighbors was again uh the fact that they would be losing some of the trees and woods behind their houses that they've enjoyed for so many years um and what we talked about in both occasions is is how we could mitigate that uh we promised we would we would meet with them when we got to the site plan approval phase talk about strategic buffering even augmenting what's required by the ordinance uh and working with them to select evergreen native plants and in that sort of thing um as mr stock reported we did receive a strong recommendation for approval from the planning commission and and we would hope that we'd have the same reaction uh from you this evening with that i'd like to introduce just brandis she's the senior director of real estate development for casa i'll she'll tell you a little bit about the proposed housing and just might also talk to you about um what would happen to their funding if uh if we had to go back and re-advertise and start this process over again and i'll be here for questions as they come along so thank you thank you dan good evening members of council can you hear me hi i'm just hi i'm just brandis senior director of real estate development with casa glad to be here tonight um as dan shared we're planning a small apartment community that will be a hundred percent affordable um we have applied to the city for funding uh did so as part of the rfp for the first tranche of bond funds were available last summer we were recommended for funding um by the community development department and prioritizing housing for people who've experienced homelessness at that site for um with incomes at or below 30 percent of the area median income so focusing on really that hardest to house population that casa specializes in um the council or excuse me uh the community development department recommended that funding contingent upon getting gap financing from the housing finance agency through the state we've applied for that we believe we will be getting a recommendation any day now um that they have approved that funding their requirement is that the zoning is corrected in compliance um by their board approval which their board meets in june so that is why we requested the expedited rezoning so that we could ensure that we got full rezoning approval in may to meet that nchfa deadline in june so that we'd be able to get their funds and then meet the city's commitment are the request of ours their contingency to have full funding by july so that's a little bit about the timing of the dollars that we're hoping to use to develop this housing and i am here for questions as well thank you miss brandis well now here from miss bat son miss battson can you make yourself available to be heard yes um i i don't i'm just here to listen about the proposal and to learn about it but i did want to share that um i didn't ever see a sign there and in relation to what you're speaking out about prior to this i think it would help renters to be notified of these things um because most many of the people on our street are renters and so none of them were aware of the project through their landlords um so that it seems helpful some people are renting for really long periods of time and they're they're not aware of these things unless someone who's a homeowner lets them know thank you very much for your comments miss battson we appreciate your being here all right there's no one else here uh who's to speak on this item uh and so uh we'll now hear any questions or comments and maybe maybe uh we may hear from uh staff anything you want to tell us about the signs miss young or um mr stock this point uh we looked into the legal requirements and there's no specific legal requirement to have it on on every right of way um the the frontage along um uh birmingham is minor um we do feel that it was satisfied with the signage along north duke street thank you very much all right colleagues uh any questions or comments at this time councilmember millton thank you mr mayor i appreciate uh the work of the staff on this and good evening to to those that are presenting um on this uh a proposal i it'll probably come as a project it's come as no surprise to anyone that um i am predisposed uh to support this because it deals with affordable housing and increases on our affordable housing uh stock um i i do want to ask uh uh dan good to see you good to see your picture um and um our friends from kasa the the planning commission voted overwhelmingly to support it but uh commissioner miller makes a very direct assertion that what you're proposing is unlawful and um that the you should be seeking relief via variance as opposed to legislative action on the council do you want to speak to that i'm sure you read the comments from the planning commission do you want to speak speak to the merits of of commissioner miller miller's characterization uh council member middleton i will i will start i think i'll need staff support on this um yes i was there uh and the conversation came around whether or not the uh the council had the authority to um approve an alternate building envelope that would potentially become a building envelope if a variance was granted uh and mr miller miller felt that the council did not have the authority to um to approve that um our contention and i think mr stock will uh will will step in on this as well as i hope is you are not approving a variance all you're doing is you're saying there's an alternate limits of a building envelope that could be the building envelope if the board of adjustment were to grant that variance and of course the board of adjustment is the only authority that has the ability to grant that uh variance and what it goes back to uh and this is based on my 30 years of experience of doing development plans in durham that we do have to show a building envelope and if we violate that building envelope we have to come back to you and the planning commission so as a timing matter and uh mr stock i don't know if you want to add a little more flavor to that but that's that is my understanding is the reason that mr miller voted against it it was it was strictly uh legal procedural uh is is a way to sum it up and councilmember milton michael stock again yeah um as mr jule stated um this does not grant the variance it just identifies the extent to which they could even seek a variance and it's required to show all potential building envelopes on the development plan um so just as we talked about earlier about um prior development plans reserving the right to seek a variance on other development approvals um uh they are reserving the right uh limiting actually the extent to what they could even seek uh on the development plan so in uh congratulations by the way by the way um so in short the in the staff's opinion we have to choose uh the to do this yes because you're not granting you you're just yes short quick short student point answer yes cool let me let me chime in real quick and just say that this is no different than on some development plans you all may see for instance an access point noted with a comment that um because of some environmental feature or something that the access point may not be provided because at the time the site plan it may be determined that they can't right um or other things like that where the applicant is being really transparent upfront um that some other things may happen in the development of the project that may change and so they're being very um transparent in the if you could have scenario a or scenario b and you can see them um that doesn't mean that you have the authority grant variance you don't that's correct um they're just trying to show just like when folks um uh will will proffer something but then say it has to be subject to ncdot approval or something else it's the same same situation got you very helpful thank you so much appreciate you thank you mr mayor thank you councilmember colleagues any other comments or questions council member reese thank you mr mayor uh i want to thank councillor middleton for really clarifying that point and thank you uh it's mr stockham is young for helping us walk through that um i think the other thing that i found compelling in commissioner miller's written comments was the fact that this even though we're not a granting of variance even though we are not the ones that are making the decision about whether or not it's okay for the building envelope to infringe on the stream buffer it does kind of raise that possibility and we don't really have one of the most compelling things he said was you know how much is this gonna infringe on the on the buffer what are the environmental impacts of that how do we balance that against the need for this kind of low income housing in Durham um i don't know how to do that um but maybe it's good that i'm not on the board of adjustments that i have to make that decision but but i think that's that to me is the harder question not is this a good idea do we need this kind of housing um you know is this a good site for that housing which i think is arguable but that's i i'm fine with it the issue is really how to how how does anybody make that decision what is the what is the calculus that says that that says you can you can infringe on the storm buffer this much in return for this much affordable housing that i don't i don't know how we do that um i don't have any good answers i'm not even really sure why i'm saying this except it's really like i found i found those comments from from commissioner miller really compelling and something that i guess i'm going to have to think about um because we're going to have this is not the last one of these we're going to do god willing i mean we we need we need to do this this kind of housing and the places where the land is is cheap enough to make this pencil out are going to be these kinds of properties um i see councilmember freeman shaking her head i i exactly absolutely right so you know we're going to have to figure it out um you know i think we are we are fortunate to have um a group like kasa be in this fight with us to to create additional housing opportunities for folks who can't afford what the market is offering right now we're very fortunate we're also fortunate that folks like dan jewel are willing to step in and support them as they do that um and we're also fortunate to have a great staff that can bring us these projects with the kind of insight and analysis that we need to move forward as i said i have a lot of questions about this kind of process how how do we figure that out but all said i'm frankly michael stock had me at the city attorney's office reviewed this and said we can do it that that works for me i have so much respect for commissioner miller but ultimately um he's not our city attorney uh and so um i think but i think the more compelling issue he raises is one we're gonna have to think about as a council is how are we gonna keep balancing those issues um and so with that i will stop talking now thank you thank you councilmember any further comments councilmember freeman uh thank you mr mayor and thank you councilmember middleton and reese for getting to some of those questions i just have one one question and a few comments uh what so can i ask what exactly the dollar amount is of this this um request from the housing finance committee because i'm i'm i'm concerned that we're making a lot of compromises for a dollar amount i have no idea what it is and it's my computer frozen i'm no you're fine miss bradis that questions for you i believe it's about six hundred thousand dollars okay thank you i appreciate that it helps to frame the conversation a little bit and just acknowledging that we can't do more of the same and expect different results and so if you build the envelope in the stream buffer and this has been the same issue that i've been having with many of the wetlands and acknowledging that this is where the cheapest land is going to be where our parks are it's where it floods and if we don't do the work to make sure that the infrastructure is in place around it um which i i and full disclosure i don't know when this in this section of north north duke street whether or not their their sewer the water has been updated and and when the last time you know like there there are measures that need to be put in place or stakes that need to be put in place and i usually can depend on the residents in the area to say so or not and in this case where we are using a minimum qualification of a notice on duke street i feel even more uncomfortable and even with the city attorney signing off it's still a bare minimum around what we need to do as a community acknowledging that we're talking about equitable engagement we're talking about equity we're talking about affordable housing but you can't make affordable housing in the stream buffers and then wonder why it's sinking so i just want to just put all those comments out front and just say that i don't feel comfortable with the the fact that the the neighbors who will be directly impacted who are renters aren't even aware that this project is happening and miss miss i'm sorry miss battson i think that's her name is is trying to listen in to hear what's going to happen in her own neighborhood that all makes me like uncomfortable so i just wanted to put that up front and i'm certain folks will push back on it but i cannot support this thank you thank you councilmember other comments okay i'll make one comment um these are 20 units of housing for people at 30 percent of the area median income or less the council has already voted a significant amount of our own funding to support this and it's going to have the north carolina housing finance agency's funding as well this is the hardest housing to build and one of the reasons that it's on such a difficult lot i'm sure is that it's it's as as uh council member risa's pointed out uh this is part of what it takes to build housing that's affordable to people at a very very low income whether or not this this uh this this this will go i think one thing to be clear about is we're not saying that this will be built to the to the outer envelope of the the optional envelope that's provided that will be something that the board of adjustment takes up and they will have to decide that and they'll be measuring whether or not they think this should be done in the in the larger envelope and the smaller envelope but either envelope will contain the affordable housing that we would like to see built and uh i just think you know this is an absolutely critical project by the best developer of this kind of housing for the least of these the least of these that we have in our community any other comments council member middleton thank you mr. mayor first i'm going to associate myself with your comments i'm going to um echo uh my colleague council freeman and i i don't um what she said is so important to keep in mind and and she she's consistently a clarion i think she's a clarion call uh for us to be mindful uh of the least of these as well um is so so i want to underscore that and and think that that should always be before us um i have such immense respect for cost and have watched their work for years in the city and um you know this is almost like having good credit this this is what happens when you've got a good track record my my belief is that if there's any organization that's going to do it right and it's going to be mindful and vigilant and careful about the things that we need to be be careful about uh in developing this housing i i believe it's casa um and that gives me with full consideration of what council freeman is saying what gives me comfort in supporting this tonight is just the the incredible gravitas and expertise and history and goodwill that the the principles in this development played namely casa uh so for that reason and based upon what you said mr mayor i mean he's we need this housing and he spoke me housing um at this level at the same my level i'll be supporting this tonight thank you thank you councilmember colleagues anyone else uh mayor pro tem thank you mr mayor um i didn't really plan on saying anything about this item because it just felt obvious to me that we should do this but i didn't want my lack of comment to be interpreted as not being as being somehow neutral i'm actually super excited about this project i think that it'll be that it's great for our city that we need more projects like this and yeah we're gonna i mean if we as we build more and more of the easy plots to build in the city we're going to see more and more projects on lots that are tricky and that are more difficult to build and thus are more affordable for our affordable housing agencies to to do something with and that's something i think we'll be seeing more and more of is these you know tricky tricky lots with a lot of um you know not not a lot of actual available space but folks are willing to do to do as much as they came with it and i think that is great i'm super excited um about about this housing and just wanted to be clear um that i i really like it thanks thank you very much mayor pro tem any other comments councilmember freelon yeah i just um i just wanted to underscore what what my colleagues have said um affordable housing is one of the most important things that we've committed to as a council and this is a rare opportunity to make a significant investment at a low am i um i've been a little under the weather uh since getting my second covid shot but jillie when you said you know you didn't watch her a lack of speaking up to be interpreted as um you know ambivalence about this that really resonated i want cost to know um and and Durham to know that this is important and we definitely want to find ways to do more of this so thank you thank you councilmember and hope you feel better soon all right colleagues any further comments councilmember freeman thank you mr may i think it's important to just know um this is not about costa this is specific about environmental justice and acknowledging how displacement works and so just just to be clear i don't have a problem with the project i think that there's a process and the parts of the process that were skipped here feel enormous for me and i cannot support this i would wholeheartedly love to see affordable housing on the site in a way that followed the process where folks in the community were engaged and that is a simple like short of it thank you thank you councilmember any further comments all right colleagues uh we'll now move i'll now uh close this public hearing and we'll now accept a motion to adopt an order submitting the udo by taking property out of the office institutional development plan and residential urban five falls jordan district b fjb districts and establishing the same as planned development residential 8.000 pdr 8.000 falls jordan district b fjb district so moved move by councilmember leis seconded by the mayor pro tem madame clerk will you please call the roll mayor shul ah mayor pro tem johnson hi what's the member caballero hi what's the member freelon hi what's the member freeman then what's the member middleton about that what's the member reese hi thank you thank you madam clerk the motion passes six to one will now need a motion to adopt the consistency statement so moved second moved by councilmember reese seconded by councilmember middleton to adopt the consistency statement madam clerk please call the roll mayor shul ah mayor pro tem johnson hi what's the member caballero hi what's the member freelon hi what's the member freeman hi what's the member middleton i will die what's the member reese hi thank you thank you madam clerk the motion passes unanimously thank you to uh miss bassin for being here tonight thank you for miss brandis and mr jule for being here tonight and uh we look forward to this being a great project thank you so much colleagues we have reached the end of our time councilmember freeman thank you mr mayor just appreciate it just a moment to note that i think that the the equity aspect of this is if this was not kasa what would have come about and about moving forward how we address that inequity acknowledging that there are other organizations in this community that could be doing this work as well that will not be expedited in the same way and so i just wanted to just put the pinpoint and thank you thank you uh colleagues we've reached the end of our meeting tonight and i'm going to declare this meeting adjourned at 10 24 p.m. look forward to seeing you at the work session one first day good night everybody good night good night everybody


There are so many unfair stereotypes about Latinos out there. This just in. Studies show Latinos are the biggest and loudest partiers in every neighborhood. There is absolutely no data to support this claim. But doesn't that just feel true? Do you know what really bothers me about that stereotype? That I can't go to all those parties! I mean, why can't I say? Latinos are very passionate people and we love to celebrate. So when you combine those two things, passion with celebration, it doesn't matter what we're celebrating, we're going all in. From the day we are born to way beyond our deaths, Latinos' lives are a constant source of fiesta. Boom, boom, pow, 24-7. It's in our roots. As far back as 3,000 years ago, the Aztecs spent a month celebrating their ancestors because death was seen as an important part of life and the afterlife. Then in the 16th century, the Spanish colonized Mexico, introducing Catholicism and Old Souls Day. Like so many traditions in Latin America, the Aztec rituals and Christian traditions were matched up together to what we know as Dia de los Muertos. At Latinos, our calendars are always full-time. I got Diego's Fiesta, Cousin's Quinceañera, and today at 11 we got Church. Guys, what time is it? It's 11. I gotta go. I'll be back. We're back. You see, religion plays a central role in many celebrations in Latin America. On January 6, we have Dia de los Reyes Magos to commemorate the three wise men bringing gifts to baby Jesus. See, before Santa came along, it was common to exchange gifts on this day and not Christmas Eve. And then in February or March, on top of my birthday, we have the Carnival. Legends has it that the word Carnival comes from the Latin Carnival, which means Fair World to Meet. This explains why this holiday started as a food festival to kick off the Catholic 40 days of Lent. Even saints have their own day of celebration, like La Virgen de la Caridad del Cobre in Cuba in September and La Virgen de Guadalupe in Mexico in December, which is massive. And as far as family gatherings, I mean, where do we start? There are birthdays for young and old baptisms, weddings, and the Latin American favorite of all, Ton Ton Ton de Quinceañera. I'm pretty a stiff dancer. I'm a reactor. I remember going to so many quinceañeras. It was the best year every other weekend. Cabam, cabam, cabam, the golden age. And always, everyone's invited. When there is a fiesta, there is no such thing as a stranger. So if you've never been to an authentic Latino celebration, run, do not walk to make friends with a Latino, and you'll definitely be invited to the next bachanga. What's the best party you've ever been to? Uy, first of all, let me really tell everybody that when I started being in LA, I started realizing that we as Latinos, we do party way more. There was one in Zacatecas. When I was just barely, barely starting, the owner of the nightclub, he opened, how do you call it, behind the kitchen where all the liquors are, where they sell it, and he was like, you know, just give it to everybody. And he just gave us like a supermarket cart, and we packed it with all of them. And the owner came with us and we just walked to the club for the first time in Zacatecas. And just seeing like everybody just celebrating, like the not caring vibe, it was a lot of fun. How many family parties do you go to every year? I don't know, more than 50. Big family, big two families, mom and dad. Is it fun or is it something you consider like an obligation? Oh, no. It's always so fun. I feel like there's endless stories of different occasions, but I'm gonna share you a phrase that I love. A hangover will only last a couple days, but the story will last forever.


YouTube just informed me that my viewership has declined so precipitously that I have to pay them for placing advertising on my videos. Gotcha! I was just kidding. But had it been real, had it been true, I would have suffered a massive, narcissistic injury. Borderline, border ringer, I'm sorry, on narcissistic modification. This is the topic of today's video. Can you modify a psychopath? Can you modify borderline? And most importantly, do you want to do that? If your life expectancy is anything to go by, you may wish to reconsider. Okay Shoshaneem, my name is Sanbaknin, I am still a professor of psychology, despite everything, and I'm the eternal author of Malignan self-love, Narcissism Revisited. Let us get to the point after two brief service announcements. First one is, I may be visiting Budapest in Hungary in the beginning of July. There's a link in the description to a Facebook event. If you're interested to attend, please register. Number two, I'm providing counseling services. There's a link in the description. Click on it, and follow the instruction to make me richer. Not a richer granon, just richer. Right, let's get straight to the pleasure of modifying injuring, devastating, ruining, and gestlymphing, which is an old German word I just invented, a psychopath, or a borderline. Let me find my notes. Here they are. We all know by now, at least those of you who have been unfortunate enough to watch my videos, you all know that there is something called narcissistic modification. Narcissistic modification is not like being insulted or being slighted. It's not just about narcissistic injury, which we are going to discuss a bit later. Narcissistic modification is the total disintegration of the narcissist's defenses, including his false self. This process is clinically known as decompensation. When the narcissist is shamed and humiliated in public, in front of sources of supply, or people he looks up to, then he's modified. The public element is very important, and the shaming and humiliation are critical to obtain modification. Narcissists react with narcissistic injury to any loss of supply. I encourage you to go to my channel, or what's left of it, and to find the video that I've made about deficient narcissistic supply. The recent video, about a few days ago, that I've made about what happens to the narcissist, how does the experience collapse? So narcissistic injury is coupled with a loss of supply. Narcissistic modification is the outcome of public shaming and naming and humiliation. Later in the video, those of you who survive will be able to listen to my expounding upon what is exactly narcissistic injury, how is it distinct from narcissistic wound and narcissistic scar. But before we go into this highly academic terrain, let us ask a more basic question. Can you do this to a borderline?  And another question, how can you do the same to a psychopath? And of course, the third question, why would you want to do this? Well, there are good reasons to induce modification in a narcissist. When you modify the narcissist, he's never ever going to hover you again. He's going to be so scolded, so terrified of you, so traumatized by you, so near, so near suicide, because modification leads to a profound major depression, which very often results in suicide ligation. So a narcissist is going to be very wary of you.  So modification leads to utter no contact, initiated this time by the narcissist, no hovering. It's very useful with narcissists. Why would you modify a borderline? Why would you modify a psychopath and are these wise things to do? Before I answer these questions, I need to explain what constitutes modification in a borderline and in a psychopath is distinct from the narcissist. The borderline reacts with injury or modification to abandonment, rejection, and ironically to engulfment. When the borderline's intimate partner gets too close to her, she feels a threat. She feels that he is about to assimilate her. The enmeshment, the merger and fusion threaten the borderline and this is known as engulfment anxiety. Much more strongly, the borderline reacts to any threat, real or imaginary of rejection and abandonment. Now the thing with borderline is because they have dysregulated emotions. Because their emotions overwhelm them, drown them. They are not firewalled against emotions and they cannot regulate the intensity or the occurrence of emotions. That is the inner landscape of the borderline's psyche and world. So because of this, any injury, what would have constituted injury with the narcissist rapidly escalates into modification in a borderline. We can generalize and say that borderlines are only modified. They are very, very rarely merely injured. They go from zero to hero or from zero to sixty in no time. And so borderlines react with modification to abandonment, rejection, humiliation, and on the other hand to engulfment. What happens to the borderline when she is mortified? All her defenses collapse. One option is that she becomes a secondary psychopath. I have a video about this. Of course I have a video about everything. It's a video about the secondary psychopathic state, self-state of the borderline. It's a defensive, protective portion, but it involves very dangerous behaviors collectively known as acting out. These behaviors are reckless, self-destructive, and other destructive. Modification in a borderline leads to very, very risky outcomes to everyone involved, not least the borderline herself. The only positive aspect of modification as far as the borderline's intimate partner is concerned is that it tends in the long run to tamp down her aggressiveness and even to offer a modicum of self-regulation. When the borderline is mortified to cut a long story short, it becomes pseudo-normal, almost normal, even though this phase of normalcy is limited a bit in time. So here's the sequence. Abandonment, rejection, humiliation, or engulfment. Modification, decompensation, losing all the defenses, acting out risky, reckless, defiant actions, including aggression and violence, cheating, drinking, shopping, you name it. So acting out, but then the acting out abates. The secondary psychopathic state reverts to borderline. The borderline besieged by shame and guilt and other negative effects is mortified. And for a while, she quiets down. She's at peace with herself and with others. She's contemplative. She's ponderous. She just sits back and kind of reviews her actions and her life, attempting at least to derive some lessons. So there is a phase of normalcy that follows modification. Sometimes there is no other choice in intimate relationships with the borderline or even in therapy with the borderline. There is no other choice, but to induce modification knowingly. It's a very risky proposition. It's playing with fire, but sometimes there's no other way, exactly as there is no other way with the narcissist. With the narcissist, my cold therapy, the treatment modality that I had invented, actually induces a state of modification in the narcissist by re-traumatizing him. There's no other way to get to him. So while modification with the borderline does have some positive outcomes, I strongly recommend against trying to modify a psychopath. Because psychopaths are likely to react with aggression, violence, vengefulness, and phenomena like stalking. So the psychopath reacts with narcissistic injury. Psychopaths and borderlines have grandiose defenses. They have grandiose cognitive distortions very similar to the narcissist. And this is why all the self-styled experts online confuse narcissists and psychopaths. Because narcissists and psychopaths share the commonality of grandiosity, but little else actually. So psychopaths are grandiose. And anyone who is grandiose, including for example someone with bipolar disorder, the bipolar disorder, there's a manic phase which involves grandiosity. In psychosis, there is a lot of grandiosity in psychotic states. There's a lot of grandiosity. Ask any founder of any major religion. So grandiosity is everywhere. It's not unique or limited to overt narcissism or to pathological narcissism. It exists in psychopaths. So you can injure, narcissistically injure or narcissistically modify anyone with grandiosity. Psychopaths included and they react with injury to frustration. The psychopath is goal-oriented but unable to delay gratification. He's impulsive. He's reckless. He's defined. He's consummations. He hates authority. He wants everything now. So he's goal-oriented but impatient to obtain his goals in a majority of cases. Any hindrance, any obstacle, any setback, any defeat, any failure, induce in the psychopath enormous frustration. And as Donald and his collaborators in 1939 had taught us, frustration often leads to aggression. Indeed, the psychopath tends to become aggressive, potentially violent, definitely always vengeful when he's confronted with frustration. But there are two other situations when psychopaths endure narcissistic injury and even modification.  Psychopaths react with injury and modification to frustration but they also react this way to losing out. Psychopaths are heavily invested in winning. It's all about winning. Even in romantic relationships, it's about winning the partner from other potential partners. The psychopath competes with other potential partners for the so-called intimate partner because psychopaths are not capable of intimacy. It's all a power play. It's all a mind game. That's why psychopaths gaslight, not narcissists. It's all a mind game and a power play and it's all about scoring points, being on top, winning. It's a competition. Life is a competition and everything in it is a competition. So the psychopath is heavily emotionally invested, affected in winning the race, being on top, being the boss, calling the shots, determining the outcomes, my way or the highway. So when the psychopath loses or perceives himself as having lost, he becomes very, very angry. There's a lot of aggression there and he endures narcissistic injury and even modification. Similarly, when the psychopath is played or conned, when he's cheated and scammed, he reacts extremely badly because the psychopath is grandiose. He's the cleverest of them all. He's the smartest man in the room. He can never ever be gullible or cheatable. No one can deceive him. No one can pull the wool over his eyes.  He becomes very dangerous. Ironically and strangely, the narcissist reacts with injury or modification only in highly specific situations, loss of supply, public humiliation, but not when he is played or conned and not when he loses because he has no conception of loss. Narcissus is heavily dependent on other people. So this landscape of power plays, mind games, gaslighting, competition, winning, being on top, cheating others and deceiving them but never being at the bat of receiving your own medicine, frustration. This is all psychopathic. It's not narcissistic. The self-styled expert who teach you otherwise online are misleading you with extreme misinformation because they don't have a clue what they're talking about in the vast majority of cases. Okay, time to clarify some terminology. What is narcissistic injury? And what's the difference between injury and wound, narcissistic wound and narcissistic scar, which is my coinage. Narcissistic injury is an occasional or circumstantial threat, real or imagined, to the narcissist's grandiose and fantastic self-perception, to his false self. Narcissus believes himself to be perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, brilliant, entitled to special treatment and recognition, regardless of his actual accomplishments or lack thereof. Any challenge to this is narcissistic injury. Any bit of information that undermines this grandiose filter, this cognitive distortion, is narcissistic injury. So what's the difference between injury and wound? Narcissistic wound is a repeated or recurrent, identical or similar threat, real or imagined, to the narcissist's grandiose and fantastic self-perception, to his false self. In other words, a narcissistic wound is a repeated narcissistic injury, which is of the same nature. If the narcissist endures a series of injuries, all of them around a specific topic, a specific person, a specific circumstance or event, a specific failure or defeat, but all of them thematically connected, all the injuries share the same theme, then there is narcissistic wound. It's like the injuries accumulate and create a wound. What is a narcissistic scar? A narcissistic scar is a repeated or recurrent psychological defense against a narcissistic wound. Such a narcissistic defense is intended to sustain and preserve the narcissist's grandiose and fantastic self-perception, his false self. It's perfect, omnipotent, omniscient and entitled to special treatment. Now, it is because of the narcissistic scar that once you had modified the narcissist, thereby causing a life-threatening narcissistic wound, he is not likely to return to you. He's not likely to try to woo you or ever make any further contact with you, because the wound cannot be covered by a scar. There's no scar tissue that can cover this deep and profound wound as modification is. All three types, the narcissist, the borderline and the psychopath, react with rage to narcissistic injury and narcissistic modification. The rage has two forms, two variants. One is explosive. Cluster B personalities flare up. They attack everyone in their immediate vicinity. They cause damage to objects and people and they are verbally and psychologically abusive. They can also maintain a high level of arousal, high level of anger and rage for prolonged periods of time and then plot vengeance against the source of frustration. The second type of rage is pernicious or passive-aggressive rage that's more common in covert narcissism, for example. Or in type one, factor one, psychopathy. So pernicious or passive-aggressive rage is when the cluster B personalities who had been subjected to injury and modification, sulk, they gave the silent treatment. They plot how to punish the transgressor and put her in her proper place. There is a lot of vindictiveness involved. This type of people often become stalkers, dangerous stalkers. They harass and haunt the objects of their frustration. They sabotage and damage the working possessions of people whom they regard to be the sources of their mounting wrath. As you begin to see, cluster B have so many commonalities that the new approach in psychology is to unify all of them. Consider all of them as facets of a single underlying personality disorder. This is something I've been advocating since 1995. It's a long time ago. It's overdue in the diagnostic and statistical manual, but it had been incorporated. This approach had been incorporated in the 11th edition of the International Classification of Diseases, the World's DSM. So, we are beginning to find confluences, congruences and conflations of various aspects of personalities, cluster B personality disorders. And in this case, there's the question of injury and modification, which lead to almost identical reactions of rage, explosive and passive aggressive. Thank you for listening. I hope I didn't frustrate you too much. Actually, I'm lying. I hope I did. And don't rage back at me. I am not the one placing ads on the videos. I fought it for 13 years and I failed.