Every time that there is some sort of a catalyst of suffering, it's just reminding you to close the gap between the illusory separation and the intoxication of Maya and your person identity to re-identify yourself as God, to reunite as God. Every catalyst is just trying to fix the distortion and the more that you turn around, the more that you unfreeze your will and choice from the algorithms and the scripts that we've perpetuated with our conditioning, and rather we sovereignly turn inward and unite with this very force of creation. Re-identify yourself with the very force of creation itself. I am the force of creation. I am Source expressing itself as God playing with itself. That's all you need to do. You will no longer see separate people. You will see everything as God playing with itself. You will see everything as a divine exploration. You will see this entire universe as an appearance of infinity. It's that simple. Radically, know, love, and accept yourself. Again, radically, know, love, and accept yourself and relax the contracted identity from the person to God to the very source of creation itself. If you do those two things radically, know, love, and accept yourself. See yourself as God sees you with that same love. Have the same love for yourself that God has for you. Because you are that. There is no gap. It's an illusion. But it's up to you to disassociate yourself from the contracted energy of personhood towards being God, towards recognizing yourself as God, as Source, as the one infinite creator expressing itself in this creation. So again, the two things know, love, and accept yourself radically, truly, unconditionally. And the second thing shift your identity from being a person to being God to being the very source of creation itself. And see everywhere you look is all God playing with itself everywhere is that and that is the eradication of malevolence. That is the eradication of suffering.  You'll come from there rather than coming from your person conditioning. You will come from God. You will come from a pure place of serving your own creation. That's as simple as we can get spirituality. Know love and accept yourself and identify yourself as God as Source, not as the person.


Hey, fellow buddies. Thanks for watching. All right, in this video, we are going to talk about something that a lot of you walk past, and some of them can go for hundreds of dollars. So, sometimes even thousands, we're going to talk about vintage clip-on earrings. Hey, fellow buddies. Thanks for watching. Amazing, right? All right, let's get started. Oh, I'm going to talk to you about some brands you may not know about, and I'm going to show you some places to look that you may not be looking to identify some of this jewelry. So, let's go ahead and get started here with the first item. This is what I call a Bolo category video. This is where I pick a category, and I kind of do a little digging around to try to help educate myself and you guys at the same time, because I am by no means an expert on clip-on earrings, but I am definitely always trying to learn, especially about the category jewelry. I do have another video on brooches. Some brooches in this video went for thousands of dollars, and some of them were unsigned. So, definitely go and check out that video, because just incredible. So, the other day I was at a what-not show, and it was over on Donatella's what-not, and she was selling a brooch. And this is kind of off subject, other than it's this brand. And I can't remember what the brooch went for, but Noelle Farm Girl Scavenger bought it, and she said she thought it was Miriam Haskell, which is this brand of earrings right here. And Noelle Farm Girl Scavenger, she is super knowledgeable about jewelry. Definitely check out her YouTube channel. And Donatella Bottolino, you guys hear me talk about her all the time. She's doing most of her shows now on what-not. So, I will link my link down below for what-not. If you guys join with my what-not link, you will get $15 to shop. That's free money to shop. That's my referral link. And make sure you follow me, Bolo Buddies. And Donatella is just her first name over there, and Noelle Farm Girl Scavenger is putting together a show also coming soon with jewelry. So, stay tuned for all of that, and use that link down below to get your $15 free. But anyway, Miriam Haskell, let me show you the signature on these earrings. There are only two photos here. Two photos, and these sold for $350. But I never finished the story. So, Donatella was showing a brooch, and Noelle bought it. And she said she thought it was this Miriam Haskell. I'm not sure if I'm saying that correctly or not. But I don't know if some of her stuff is unsigned. I know there's been pieces where I have bought jewelry in one piece. It'll be a set, and only one piece is signed. So, let's say I've got a pair of clip-ons. I've got a brooch, and I've got something else. Maybe only the brooch is signed, but it is clearly a set. So, that can happen sometimes. All right. So, this set of earrings, and let me just show you a close-up. It looks like, you know, these weren't cleaned up by the seller or anything like that. A lot of times I sell my jewelry as is, because I, quite frankly, don't want to mess something up by cleaning it. They only have two photos here, but look at the prongs. Look at the detail on the prongs, and you're going to see that over and over again on this vintage jewelry. These sold for $350. These are clearly marked on the back. Okay. So, this is a really easy marking. You're going to be able to identify this right away. It's going to pop because it's right on the back. Now, pay attention to that, because we're going to talk about some more things here shortly. This brand also kept popping up, and you guys, I am by no means showing you every single big money clip-on earrings. I am just showing you some of the brands that, as I was doing my research that stood out to me, that kept popping up over and over as good brands to look for. This is Carl Lagerfeld. These sold for $355 with free shipping, and here is what I want to show you. This is the marking on this set. I also want to let you guys know that sometimes the markings can look different depending on the year it was made. I did not do a lot of research on this particular brand, but this is one to look for. I don't know if it's always the same or not. If you guys are Carl Lagerfeld, Lagerfeld, Lagerfeld, if you guys know this brand, let me know down in the comments if there's different signatures for this brand of jewelry. Again, these are all clip-ons. These are clip-on earrings. This is a vintage Schreiner New York, and in the brooch video, I talked to you about a lot of Schreiner that is unsigned. I show you different ones to look for, so definitely check that out so you don't miss those. This Schreiner is actually signed, and again, very obviously signed right here on the back of the clip. Some are going to be easy to identify, others not so much. They did put a penny beside it for reference. You can also use a caliper to show measurements. Everybody does it kind of different. They sold for $355 plus shipping. The next one is Joe Maxx. Joseph Mazur. These are 1950s pink topaz clip earrings. Let me know in the comments. They just put clip earrings. Do you guys put clip on, or do you put clip in your title? Do you think it matters? What important keywords do you guys use to help educate others in this video? What keywords do you use in your titles to help people find your item? Again, clearly on the back of the clip, Joe Maxx right here, or Joe Maz, I'm sorry, J-O-M-A-Z, Joe Maz. Again, they use the coin as well, which looks like a quarter. These are as big as a quarter, and then they also put it on a scale to show weight. 365 plus shipping on these clip-on earrings. This one I'm going to show you is going to blow your mind. Oh my goodness, it's crazy. I did look up how to say this, so I would not pronounce it wrong. It is Siner. It's C-I-N-E-R, Siner. Are you guys proud of me for looking it up? Vintage Siner, Emerald Green, but this word I'm going to mess up because I messed it up last time and I forgot to look it up. I thought this was a brand in the brooch video, but this is apparently, I believe, a style or something. I can't remember what you guys said. Sorry. Glass Dangle Rhinestone Pearl Earrings, Grypix, G-R-I-P-O-I-X, not sure, but anyway, look how beautiful these are. They are stunning, stunning, stunning. On the back, again, clearly marked, and you can see over here, there is a patent date, or a patent number, I should say. Definitely, I would have done a close-up of this if it were me, but the person buying it probably can see it good enough. Air Maze is another brand to always be on the lookout for. This can be in anything, not just clip-on earrings, it can be like ties or scarves. Air Maze is a very, very popular brand that typically almost always goes for big money no matter what it is. These are tricky, okay? You look at the back, you don't really see anything. You see some letters peeking through, but you have to open this one up to see the writing. So, if you are looking at clip-ons, open them up. That is the biggest takeaway from this video is open up the clip-ons because there may be a brand hiding inside. These sold for 395. All right, this one is David Spada Modernist Vintage Aluminum Swirl Earrings Big. These sold for 385, and you can see right here, they are marked right here on the earring, towards the top, it looks like. So, these are, are these? Huh, yep, they're clip-ons, but they're not marked on the clip, they're marked on the earring. So, keep that in mind as well. It doesn't always have to be on the clip. These sold for 385 plus shipping. George Jensen, these are clip screw-on. So, these are different. They, sometimes they're called screw-back, screw-on. See, it's a different style. Now, look how fancy this is. Let me get you a close-up here. Look at this, George Jensen 79B Sterling. So, these are Sterling, but they are pretty incredible, and they sold for $399, and they are Green Agate. This pair is unsigned. So, again, unsigned Shriner. It seems like there's a lot of Shriner that can be unsigned, but I want to draw attention also to how the, oh, I forget what I called it. I just talked about it, how the part comes up around the jewels. What are they called? Oh, shucks. I lost it, but you guys can see it, okay? So, here is the back, and these are unsigned Shriner. Vintage purple glass and not cabochon. Oh, did I get it right, you guys? Cabochon? I think I got it right. Turquoise clip-on earrings. Cabochon, I think I got it right. I'm so proud of myself, but I can't remember what these are called, where it comes up around the jewel. Oh my goodness. Ugh, 300, just rewind and you'll hear me talk about it. 399.99 on these plus shipping. Prongs, the prongs, the prongs, that's what they are. Prongs, golly, I could not get that word to come to my mind. Look how beautiful they are. Look here. Pretty cool, right? Just looks expensive. All right, these are the Crown Traffari Baby Tooth. Baby Tooth, if you see anything that looks like a baby tooth and it says trifari, you need to grab it. These go for big money. I can't remember if these were signed or not. I think they were. Yep, they're signed right there. Crown Traffari, I believe. Yep, Crown Traffari. 405 dollars and I have another video where somebody bought a brooch for $10 and sold it for nine, almost a thousand. It was just shy of a thousand on whatnot. I'll try to remember to link it down below so you guys can go look at what that looks like. Just incredible. Now these are Crown Tra, I'm sorry, these say Traffari earrings, faux blue moonstone. So these are faux blue moonstone. And it shows this in the last picture, but I don't think you get the brooch with it. I don't see anywhere where it says brooch and it only shows the brooch in the last picture. Maybe they've listed it separately. It didn't say down in the description either that it came with the brooch. It's just the earrings. Both earrings are signed Traffari on the back clips. I don't know. To me, I would not personally put this picture here because I think it's kind of misleading. I feel like, am I getting the brooch or am I not getting the brooch? Here is the Crown Traffari marking. Be on the lookout, definitely. And Traffari is all over the place. It ranges from bread and butter to big money. And when I say bread and butter, you know, it just varies. Just be very careful. All right, $453 plus shipping on those. Here is another of those baby tooth pearl earrings by Crown Traffari. So very clearly, I mean, they just look like teeth. It's crazy. These sold for $460. And here is the back. I'm just going to try to see it right here. Right here is the little marking. And they have a quarter as well. The next item are these another Miriam Haskell. And I thought I had another picture. I was having trouble getting my computer to open up the second screen. So $464 on these. Good, but note one clip is higher on the back than the other. So even with condition issues, still sold for $464. Yves Saint Laurent. Yves Saint Laurent. I think I'm saying that correctly. Cabochon Glass. Runway clip-on earrings. These are so pretty. Here is where it's signed. And it's kind of blurry, but you can see right here. So definitely look for those markings. This brand is another one that typically goes for big money. These sold for $503.10 plus shipping. Here's another pair. Same brand. The Yves Saint Laurent. Here is a very common look for the signature. I think it's a VSL or YSL. YSL. YSL. It kind of looks like a V.  This is a very, very perfume. Definitely, if you can find new old stock perfume, wow, big money right there. But there is your marking. It's kind of hard to see it, but you'll recognize it. Once you know it, you know it. Let's see where, if we can see where it's at here. It's right there, right on one of the little pedals. These sold for $499 plus shipping. The next item is a vintage signed Chanel. Now, Chanel, you're looking at it and you're like, okay, nothing's popping out really, right? Are you ready for this? It is underneath the clip, under the clip. Now you may just may, where was it, have seen it kind of showing. If you look right here, you can kind of see it, but you got to open that up and then you're going to see the real information. Okay. So pop them open. Look at that. It's crazy. $998 plus shipping. And this was an auction. Now this one is just absolutely crazy. Number one, it's not marked 14 carat anywhere. And I went down to the bottom because I'm like, I don't see where it's marked. It's saying that they are handmade antique earrings. And it says, 14 carat rose gold tested. So they must have tested it. It says red old cut rubies question mark. So there's a lot of questions in this. There are two stones missing easy fix. Okay. So to me, like sometimes it can be an easy fix. It depends on what the stone is. I mean, if you're going for the exact stone, I wouldn't say that that's an easy fix. Yeah, you can pop something else in there. But if you want it to match perfectly, I don't know. I don't fix jewelry. So I really am not really sure, but you can see right there's a stone that's missing. And then over here, there's a stone missing. And it looks like it is a clear stone over here and a red stone over here. I'm going to, or whatever color that is, I'm going to say the burgundy or red is going to be a harder to find stone than just a clear one. But let's look into this a little further. Here's the back. No markings whatsoever. And these still went for $995. No markings. Says they're 14 carat missing stones and almost $1,000. Is that crazy or what? I think that's absolutely crazy because how many of you would have walked right past these because they were unsigned and damaged? Unsigned and damaged and sold for almost $1,000. Would you have walked right past it? Let me know down in the comments. And it does have the authenticity guarantee for these. So these got shipped out and checked. I'm pretty sure that's how it works when eBay has that. So, or does that mean that they've already done it? I can't remember. I know for shoes you have to send them somewhere. Is it the same with jewelry? Does anybody know? All right. These are Traffari, Alfred Felipe. I think that's how you say it. Jewels of India, rhinestone clip on, and they are stunning. And if I remember correctly, are these signed? Yes. These are signed right here on the back of the clip. Crown Traffari. So easy to identify. So for $1,525 with free shipping. Now, right here, you can see if you go into the seller's feedback and type in Traffari, it's going to pull it up right here for you guys that this was actually a good sale. They left them positive feedback. That's one way to check if an item has sold. Another way to check is to go in and see if the seller has relisted the item. And that is how I check for my videos. I look at the feedback and I also check to see if the item was relisted. Vintage Christian Dior, Germany, silver-toned rhinestones dangling clip on earrings. And these are beautiful as well. Right here is your little marking. And you can see that it does say Christian Dior the, I don't know what the, is that 19070 maybe, perhaps a number above it, but it does say Germany. And these sold for $1,547 plus shipping. So pictures didn't do it justice. I know a lot of people don't like hands and pictures, but I will typically lay jewelry in my hand because it really will make the jewelry pop. I don't use it as my first photo, but I will put it in the palm of my hand because showing it up against the skin tone can sometimes really enhance how the product looks. That is my personal opinion. I know some people hate it, but I do it for my jewelry and I like it. I mean, I'm not like putting my fingers in it or anything. I usually have it in the palm of my hand just to show the contrast. Do you guys put your hands in your jewelry pictures? Let me know down in the comments. You can also try just like a white background or a black background. You can also use a background removal. I use photo room and I really like that, but with photo room, you can make the background black or white or purple or green or whatever color you want. I typically use white, but that's what I like. If you guys are interested in checking out photo room, I do have a link down below. I think you get 10% off your first year if you guys want to use that link. Thanks for being here.  Get your $15 of free money. Whatnot is a fantastic place to buy and sell jewelry. Now, I did look over at Mercari and clip-ons sell for big money over there as well. One that I saw the most of on Mercari was Chanel. There was a lot of solds for Chanel, but I didn't really see anything that stood out as something that I didn't show you from eBay. Again, if you go and search clip-on earrings, high to low, you are going to see so many that sold for big money. Most of them are like 14 carat gold or 18 carat gold. I left those out because we all know that things that are gold sell for more money. I really wanted to focus on costume jewelry in this video, but definitely search. Search solds. It's a great way to learn. Look at the photos. You can see what I pulled from this video. If you don't look under the clip, you might miss something. Be sure to look under the clips. And if it's missing stones, does it necessarily mean that it's not worth money? So I always pick up things. If they're beautiful and they're missing a stone, I will still pick it up because you just never know, especially if I can get it for a good price. But I do not know much about jewelry. It's definitely an area that I am hoping to learn more about. I don't know. So that's this video. It's not super long. It's just really focusing in on some of the main brands. Definitely check out Donna Telebotolino. I will link her down below. She has a YouTube channel and Noelle Farm Girl Scavenger. It's actually Farm Girl Scavenger Noelle. I will link her down below as well. Noelle has a video on vintage costume jewelry that you should definitely check out. She is super educational. No, she's super knowledgeable and has educational videos on her channel. So check that out. Thank you guys so much for being here. Thank you for watching. Check out that brooch video. Oh my goodness. If you thought you learned something in this one, wow, you will learn that my pronunciation is horrible in the brooch video. And I apologize for that in advance. I will link it down below. Let me know which item or maybe something you learned in this video, something you didn't know about down in the comments. All right, you guys check out another video. There's going to be a couple popping up here and here, one down below and a subscribe button. If you're new here, I would love for you to subscribe and thanks for watching.


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He actually said get glitched. I don't even know what that's something you would hear on spy kids chat I didn't expect us to run into this much trouble. I expected dangerous wildlife. Maybe scores. That's the second time I've run into the Okay What are we supposed to do? Do we bug out? Chat, I think we bug out. I think we have a bug. We got the signal in the cutscene. Not a short mission They're suicide it. It means suicide it Really they leave the mission or did they find a way to kill themselves? That's not easy which we had text chat So the strider come on home. Huh? It just takes one person to quit How does this alliance thing work exactly? It seems like you and your friends less contribute towards XP based on what you do You get several cheers Those brackets up to the cockpit unlock the control panel down. Amplifier is secure Check the breakers done got him when I came in Well, I guess you're good for something Besides getting the monitor on our trail. Wait, seriously? That's hilarious, mate The cockpit is secure. This job is hard enough without looking over our shoulders the whole time I'm not taking the blame for this the monitor was chasing you not me and without us You wouldn't have found the general signet admit it. You needed me. You still need me need you I don't need anyone save it. We have more important things to discuss The monitor is after the anthem Faye people think the dominion are after the cenotaph's power But the cenotaph is nothing the anthem of creation is everything to control it is everything Okay, but what could he even do with it? What could he do with the power of life and death creation and destruction? He would be a god. Faye Even if the end he was He was really scarred by that calamity He was like the exact after what he is now back in dominion can't listen to me He's heard it. I know he has it's in his voice. I can just Feel it He won't stop. He'll never stop unless he figures it out I know he won't Okay, you know what? One thing I think we can all agree on is it's it's getting pretty dangerous out there, right? And since faye has the whole cypher thing under control, uh, why don't I watch your backs from the field? No, no, that's mine custom built You couldn't even walk in it. I could no No, you have no idea what the police could do to that person. I'm fine, really Have you ever fought anything out there? Scars, okay, man. Uh, I would learn along the way.  Okay Got it.  He's got to learn for himself what he can and cannot do. I suppose so Yeah, listen You were right About what exactly if i'm honest I'm not ready to deal with the dominion lancers on my own Well, it's not like anybody would be ready for that We need you if we're gonna pull this off So welcome aboard. Look at her face. Alec. I uh Thanks look at her face I'll get the strider moving They're getting really close to getting the eyes right And that's kind of creeping me out Come see me when you're ready Video games have a hard time getting eyes right And they're getting really close What's next the fortress of dawn you're always 10 steps ahead fey fill me in I can use the signal of general tarsus to unseal the gate Whatever she knew about the cenotaph must be inside along with her javelin Well that old suit of armor really gets through the heart of rage. It's her best shot What do you want me to do just stand in the corner and look pretty again? Keep an eye out for the monitor and if he shows up no one can get inside the fortress but us Whatever turns up. I'll make sure we're ready for it Good luck with that towing talk to me Oh no, oh and so hurt he's gonna turn it to Anakin Skywalker hurry up He's gonna kill younglings The younglings Oh, there's a lot of stuff unlocked Enter the fortress of dawnitude got it First let's see if I got some new stuff yes no no Right, so what I want to do I'm gonna look at my challenges And see if there's some blueprint that I want to go after My ranger present Where would that be under would that be under Javelin combat. That's all coin. I can't use a grenade launcher. Can I cause that's heavy?  All right. What's the best assault rifle defender? Hammerhead warden. I don't think oh, I can use the marksman rifle anvil Scout too Gotta kill just a few more people now get a blue scout coins and guardian So it's my legendary weapon a scout. Let's start the expedition. I'm gonna check the forage in here and see if I'm rocking a scout right now I forgot what type of weapon the um, what's called this The legendary weapon I got with Legion of Dawn. So is this a scout? Yeah scout Okay, so if I keep killing people with this, I'll get though. I'd be able to craft a blue one Eventually it's going to be higher level than this Did you get to choose your javelin? Yes, you get to choose uh through the tutorial and the first few stuff for the game Like the first few missions you have to play a ranger But then you get to a point to where you can unlock any of them Scout is it's a marksman rifle It's it's like a dmr. It's not really a It's not it's not really a sniper. It's like Oh Okay, well, let's do the next mission It's the fortress of dawn Okay chat you win. I'm not even gonna get into this gun stuff Magazine it's a clip. I don't care. Whatever Marksman sniper this is I just need to know the if the name scout matched up because that's the challenge That's where I'm into it. I'm not confused. I just this is for this is strictly solely for a challenge I should be able to pass you off as an answer of the legion of dawn fortress of dawn Yeah, but you get these rare embers the team up ahead is running to a grounder Expect a lot of entrenched dominion near the fortress I'm so happy to increase that time out buddy. They set up turrets. We need to take them down I get my kills boy. Keep jumping in front of me and interrupting my sprint. Thank you I gotta go faster than you therefore. I must interrupt your sprint print Break that and we shut this down. Is the flying any better? Yes, it's tighter Swimming is better too. I'll be it bad shoes. I wouldn't swim You're the first to stand in the spot for centuries. So many people boop their brains in this man I'm trying to turn this corner. It's just like something of Arden Varsus. I'm certain of it. A legionaire is buried in here Can you get a closer look at that? Behold the doors of might Whosoever wishes them open Place your signal the trial of might shall separate the week from the world. Oh gosh. So says arden vassar You can do tighter turns now I still need to type To claim a place among the legion of dawn night. Yeah, I bought the expensive a true legionaire must be tested The greatest of us all helena tarsis Lured her foes into battle at a place of her choosing there She brought them ruin and destruction through strength and guile prove yourself For what the path of general tarsis Bring forth your greatest foe may your might prevail against the darkness Hey, what just happened? Hey life's work to shatter them


VEPI. The project's fully permitted, so we have all our permits, including the certificate of public good, which is a fair effort and it is a shovel-ready project. We could absent financing, you know, we are ready to start this project. The financial impacts we are looking at right now, a $5.7 million project costs. Because we have to do a bond vote, there's going to be some time delays, regardless of when that bond vote occurs. So, you know, I think it's likely there be some escalation in construction material costs. So that number, you know, I think we're looking at more like a $6 million number likely before the project would actually, or the contract would be signed if council moves forward. And just to kind of touch on some of the cost increases related to the project, there is a slightly different cost related from the conceptual design is what ESG provided, based their numbers on back in March of 2020. And now we have final design, so it's a lot more detail. So that was part of the cost. Also, the interconnection fees from Green Mountain Power, the infrastructure they need to install, notice support, this power export is more than what we anticipated by over $100,000. So last time I came and presented to council, we talked about negotiating with the ESG to see if we could reduce the project cost and fund maybe the difference with operating revenue and the sewer fund. We were able to negotiate a $300,000 reduction roughly, but because the gap is so big, we cannot cover the difference with operating funds. So that means we have to do a bond vote. And right now, just for assuming we use all of the remaining bond capacity from phase one, we'd be looking at roughly a $1.5 million gap. But again, just point out that the secondary clarifiers also need to be completed roughly in this time frame. So I think you could add another at least $1.1 million onto that. So in the project development agreement with ESG, they essentially performed this analysis, this work at risk. And under the, you know, sort of the outs for the city, if the guaranteed levels do not cover the cost of the project, you know, the city has the option to not move forward with it and is not responsible for the cost to ESG that they've invested in this project. That's our interpretation of it. At least right now, we haven't really discussed in detail with ESG, but that's, and I have discussed briefly with our attorney, but we feel because the guaranteed levels don't cover the project costs that were not responsible for the PDA fee. The city's investment on this project is right now about $30,000. That's a lot of the permitting fees were not included in the ESG of scope. And we had some legal fees associated with development of the CPG. As I noted, under guarantee levels, there's a potential for a negative financial impact of 3.6 million over a 20-year period. And that's if you look at phase two as its own project, as a standalone project without factoring in the benefits from phase one. If we hit projected levels, then over the 20-year period, they're estimating a $630,000 cash-positive project. And then just one sort of intricacy related to these two projects. Because the Empower Sale Agreement requires food waste stream, it changes how we structure our contracts with haulers because we really sort of have to reduce our price on food waste to incentivize them to bring that waste stream to the plant in order to meet the requirements of the Empower Sale Agreement. So there's a little bit of a competing interest between the phase one and phase two because of that requirement. So that was a lot. I will stop there for just a minute and see if there's any questions. So that was a lot. I'm going to stop there if there's any questions related to that. So I have a few questions. So I want to make sure that I'm understanding this. I want to make sure that I'm really clear on this. So at the lowest guaranteed levels of revenue, is it still a net positive for both projects? Well, it depends on if you factor in that deferred maintenance cost or not. Right. Yeah. So because it looked like in that one slide where the benefit was lower, it looked like if you took the deferred maintenance portion out, just based on the thickness of that section, it looked like the benefit would be less than the cost. But I mean, I believe it is. Yeah. Oh, thank you. No, thank you. Yes. So what that deferred maintenance number represents, so that's the aging infrastructure work that needed to be performed at the plant. So absent any of this organic energy project, that is just a real cost that would be realized by the city in its budget. So for the purposes of the cash flow is being presented as a savings as a capital cost avoidance. So without this project, that's a cost that would be incurred anyway. So the net effect would be to, if you took it out of the savings, you also want to take out the $12 million roughly that that cost and just judge the project on the organic energy components. Does that make sense? Yeah. In other words, the organic energy revenues, I think through phase one was able to almost cover a lot of those costs that otherwise would have just been dead. So it's a balance. I think if you take it out, you also need to take out the capital associated with it to see the true value of the project. That makes sense. Yeah. So it's like we would have to add in other costs for that deferred maintenance somehow elsewhere. Yeah. You could treat it as those are costs that you would experience in any way, whether or not we were here. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think that's helpful. Just quickly, if I may interject, just for new council members, this is Larry Doyle from ESG here. Not everybody knows Larry. It's been a couple of years since you've presented. I've been able to come up for a year. So. Lauren, go ahead. Over. Yeah. Thanks. I was just wondering, what are the major drivers you showed us kind of best case and worst case scenario? Like what would be the difference? What would be changing, whether or not we're hitting closer to 90% or more? Sure. No good question. I'll try to make it a short answer. The 90% represents, we model the project based on, you know, our expectation of, can we fulfill these digesters, which we do fully expect to be able to do. I mean, right now, we started our performance period, I think doesn't start for another six months, but we're starting to ramp up. And I think under contract, at this time, we already have approximately 60% of the capacity filled with two to three year contracts right now. And there is a good supply of additional, so our expectation is within six months that we'll be filling the digesters. Now, the guarantee level represents, well, take a step back. Kurt talked about the interactions. One of the things that, you know, that's important to consider is that the food waste is the fuel for the generator. And why they're interconnected and while we're treating them together is as we have been developing the project, what we found is in the market, the tipping fee for food waste has, market has gone down from what we initially anticipated. Whereas some of the tipping fees for brown grease, fog, and other items still remains high. So what happened is it would work against each other, where on phase one, we would want to overdrive and just bring in revenue. We could focus our waste efforts on less on food waste. Food waste has a cost to treat. It has more solids in it that has to get land filled, you know, or other treatment costs, chemical costs. Grease has a good energy component, low cost to treat. So the difference is what we looked at is if you think about it, for each gallon of waste, when you have phase one and phase two as a financial value of a tip fee plus an energy fee. So there's energy revenue now. So although the food waste has a lower tip fee, it is worth the 20 cents a kilowatt hour from energy. So it's hard to treat both of these separately. So we combine those. And what we did was we looked at the project and with the guarantee, our proposal was that we needed to guarantee the cost to the city, which was the city's debt service plus the annual operation and maintenance cost. And from that, we derived that we would need to fill 60% capacity of the digesters. And that would equal roughly $100,000 more than what the city's costs were from the combined project. So if you, so one way to think about it is, you know, phase one might throw off $500,000 a year of positive cash flow. And with phase two with the guarantee level that lowers that from 400 to 100. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but at the guarantee levels, it brings the positives down from 400 to 100. At the projected levels, which we feel is reasonable to project, it's going to maintain roughly at that same cash flow level. Hope I'm not confusing it. So, yeah. So phase two, in a sense, is hitting a policy objective. We think that the waste, we use the term projected because we have, you know, high level of confidence. We wouldn't provide any guarantee if we weren't confident that we could roughly bring in twice that amount. It would just be too risky. So it's a view of our view of the market also. However, our guarantee is a contractual mechanism that we're offering. I would consider that. You could look at that as a floor. You know, so that would be the floor. The ceiling would be 100%. We're just showing confidence that 90%. You could pick other numbers too. You could split the difference, 1600. You could say 80 is a planning number. So it gets arcane because a lot of these models, they get very intricate because there's eight different classifications of waste. And a lot of the data is based on actual sampling because we've been able to run, we've been running the receiving station and pretty much all the different types of waste we're planning on receiving. We run through there. We have analytics for each sample. We've monitored the methane content of the gas. If you're a member in phase one, one of the reasons for holding off on phase two was to get an idea of how much gas we're going to produce to this process in terms of percent methane. And we are projecting at about 60 to 62%. We're finding now we're getting 65 to 66% methane content. And that's a reflection of the digesters working like they're supposed to. I mean, the new systems, I can't say enough because the Kurt and the treatment plant staff have had, earlier talked about people adopting the change. Well, they'd have to adopt the change. A lot of new equipment, new control systems and they've been great to work with. And this project isn't even commissioned yet and those digesters are performing and we're bringing more and more waste in there as it gets ramped up. I'm digressing a bit, but it's so 90% is what we're comfortable. We think is the 60% is the floor. And without combining them, we'd be working against our guarantee because if they weren't combined, we would want to bring in more high revenue or high strength organic waste. But that would be a deficit to the energy production. So we're trying to combine things and hit triple bottom line, you know, it's policy, financials and what's the right mix. And this is what we came up with. Sorry, yes, way longer. That wasn't a short answer, but it's not a short problem. Yes. Dan, go ahead.  Okay. All right. So yeah, go ahead.  So the 60% capacity is basically a floor that we're thinking that would be guaranteed that no less than that amount. And the expectation, perhaps not the ceiling, but the expectation is that 90% is much more realistic. Is that I'm understanding that correctly? Yep. Yes, that's correct. Yes, correct. So one of my other questions is what happens if there is no phase two? Well, that's the second half of the presentation. Okay. Don't spoil it for me. Oh, there's another half. Maybe we should hold off and hear your second half. Sure. I just wanted to take a break and talk about the CHP option before we moved on. Well, I do have one question about that, which is, so I heard you say, you know, you're looking at other options because phase two alone is net negative, right? And so, sorry, go ahead. Well, at guaranteed levels, it's net negative. Right. At guaranteed levels, it's net negative. That causes a whole other string of questions for me. So that feels like going back a few steps in terms of what to do with that methane, right? Looking for a new plan, which I think brings up questions for me about the timeline, and if there's this deadline that we have to be using, or like the project has to be completed by 2023, it seems like there'd be some more pressure. Like, does the rest of the deal fall apart somehow if we don't get it done by 2023? Does that make sense? Right. So the deadline is through our power sale agreement. And that deadline, like I said, is December of 2023. That's when we have to have the system up and commissioned, or we lose that 20.7 kilowatt hour sale, our power sale rate. We have to, if we do CHP, we're going to have to do a bond vote. And I think if we did a March bond vote, so we don't have to have a special election, the project timeline from when I hear from USG is 13 months. So if we had a bond vote and March warned at the end of this year, we're still on track to hit those deadlines. So I think, you know, what DPW is proposing is to evaluate one other alternative between now and the end of the year, and then decide what's the best path forward for the city. And that would still give us time to put something on the, if we wanted to still put something on the March ballot, we still could. Right. The end of this year, you know. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions about the combined heat and power part? Okay. Right.  All right. Okay. So like I said, you know, we anticipated under the CHP option that we would have a guaranteed revenue that matched the cost of the project. It just didn't pan out that way. So just in the last two weeks, so this is very high level. But just in the past two weeks, DPW has just looked at wanted to look at what is the other option for utilizing methane at the plant? I mean, it is an asset, an asset that was created through the phase one project. And we want to utilize it. But we want to utilize it in the best way possible for the city, my player and the sewer rate payers. Sorry to interrupt, Kurt. Could you get bigger? Oh, sorry. Yeah, no worries. There you go. Great. Thank you. Thor looking at is a waste type low temperature dehumidification system, which is really a way to improve the solids content of the bio solids from the plant. So every time we take in whether it's septage from residential tanks, or high strength waste now, or even, you know, the waste that comes down the patch from multiple residents, all those things result in a solids component. And those solids currently are all brought up to the landfill in Coventry. So what we're looking at is two units, two of these dehumidification type units, which are able to dry out these solids, the capacity of 110 gallons per hour. So if we had two of these, we'd have redundancy where each of them could handle what we're estimating for demand on the system to dry all the solids from the plant. And what some of the other equipment would be required would be a hot water line from the new boilers to run through an exchanger to heat these units and dry out solids. And additionally, you need conveyors to, you know, bring the solids from the new screw presses, which gets our solids down to 25 percent. I guess the 225 percent solids. We'd have to bring that convey those over to this new equipment. And then some way, once we do have a 90 percent dry total solids level, we need some way to store this material. So some of the nice things about the system, it's a low temperature, about 165. There's no open flame like most traditional drying systems are. So you don't need to spring clear in the building. It can get to a class A biosolid. There's an opportunity for order reduction because this is an enclosed system as opposed to our open boxes that we dispose of in with now. Like I mentioned, you can go from 25 percent to 90 percent total solid. So that really reduces the disposal volume. And it can can run in automation 24 seven most of those most other drying units. Really, you have to have a staff present because of the fire hazard. Financial benefits associated with this, we pay about $250,000 a year to dispose of our solids at the landfill. There is, we've been talking to one company that's represented locally here. They offered to take the the class A solids and they were they gave us a budgetary estimate of about $100,000 a year cost to manage those solids for us. They would no longer go to the landfill and be turned to beneficial use. It allows us more flexibility in our leachate rates right now because all of our all of our solids go to the landfill and their leachate comes to us. We've had price stability in our disposal costs. If we were no longer utilizing the landfill, you know, that gives us the option to raise our rates on leachate. So there's just one cent on the leachate rate and we haven't raised them in many years. I don't think at least in the last 10 years it down up because it would just cost us on the on the disposal side. But just raising them one cent wouldn't result in an $80,000 a year annual revenue increase. There's also, there's also a potential for revenue from the sale of the class A. Again, this company we've been speaking with, it's RMI, they offer their profit sharing from the sale of this material.  I've also spoken to some folks at DEC and they've they indicated there's a very good likelihood that this project would be eligible for some grant funding. We got a pollution control grant on phase one. That grant program is very specific to solids handling, which would this dryer would qualify under. And there's also under the loan program, there's there's funding design subsidy money, which essentially grant money for design work. We've really pushed to try to get at least some sense of what the equipment would cost. And for the two units that can each handle the total solids generated from the plant, when they provided a cost of $1.6 million. I just want to note that's not total project costs, you know, there's a lot of other items, design costs, and all the other equipment, the conveyors and things in the trailer that I mentioned. So I don't know, we don't know yet, this needs further evaluation, what the total project cost would be. But I think there's there's it's worth looking at this closer because of one the grant, you know, the grant opportunities. But also, you know, just the major piece of equipment is a fairly, you know, low number compared to some of the other options that were looked at early on. If you remember, you did a very high level analysis of other alternatives and CHP was, you know, by far the most attractive option. But we're taking a little deeper dive into this. And it's also a relatively new style of dryer, which has a lot of benefits that the other ones don't. So environmentally, we'd be reducing our disposal volume from 3,600 wet tons to 960 wet tons. And no, you know, no longer have the trucking all the way up to Coventry. Right now we're moving, I think four boxes for trailers every week from the plant to Coventry. Again, this is a way to utilize the methane generated. And one of the attractive things about the dryer is that our peak need for solids drying is in the summertime. And that's well offset from our heating needs in the winter. So it really has the opportunity to provide a good energy balance where you're getting year round utilization of as much methane as we can. And then again, you know, we do have a water resource recovery facility. This is one product that is not recovered. This, I know the solids from the plant, you know, project like this would allow us to recover that project and turn it into something beneficial to the to the community, you know, to the region by turning into a Class A material. And lastly, you know, we spent a fair amount of time discussing PFAS at the plant, you know, by taking away our reliance on the disposal costs or reliance on Coventry for disposal of our solids. You know, we have more flexibility to really evaluate whether or not we take leachate without as much of a financial impact. We do generate revenue from receiving leachate, but we wouldn't be sort of hit double by increasing our disposal costs and losing the revenue from leachate. If that's a path council wants to take in the future. So some of the facility benefits, you know, we're not locked into a 20-year contract. That's a really a long-term commitment that which is part of our power sale agreement. You know, things change and that kind of duration is a little bit concerning to us. It also allows us to be better prepared for what the regulations may be on sludge management in the future.  And we only have one landfill in the state. So it really kind of sets us up to manage all of our own waste ourselves rather than relying on outside entities. And then because it's all enclosed, there's no air permit required. So it's just one less permit that we have to manage at the plant. And as I mentioned, it's one company we've been talking to and, you know, we'd really want to evaluate all our options for this style or type of dryer. But that's Resource Management Incorporated. They're affiliated with the ShinSea USA. They are currently piloting three dryers. One, Bratterboro Bells Falls and Hooksett and New Hampshire. Our staff are Chris Cox and Matt Lanson, who's our assistant chief operator. They went down and visited one of these facilities yesterday.  But there's not any, you know, just one caution is that there's not any currently fully operational in the region. Like I said, it's a relatively new technology. It needs to be evaluated. But it does look promising. And as I mentioned earlier, this company are my offers, Sol's Management Services. So they will guarantee to take the Class A material that we produce, you know, and manage it for a fee. And how they manage it is by taking this material, taking the Class A by solids and turning it into a beneficial product, you know, for agricultural type of benefits or municipal highway projects. They even fill old-abandoned mines with this type of material in other parts of the country. So our recommendation as a department is to look further into this Sol's drying alternative. You know, it's, like I said, we only had a couple of weeks because we were still working under the CHP project, you know, on negotiating costs with ESG. But, you know, just at a high level, look at this. We think that there is some potential here. So we'd like to refine the project scope, you know, really dial in the total project cost, which we do not have yet. Verify the savings and the revenue associated with the project. Look into the grant funding opportunities. I have not spoken with USDA yet. There's potential there. Look at the gas balance. So ESG has indicated that if we do go this route, they are interested in partnering with the city and evaluating, you know, the getting the methane usage, which really we don't have the expertise to do in-house. So we would need outside support. And then the state has indicated that they are very interested in pilot testing equipment. And they have even indicated they would cover the cost if there was one associated with piloting different systems. So, you know, one of the many reasons phase one was successful is that we did pilot a lot of equipment on dewatering. We really got to see all the different styles out there. And, you know, I think I can speak for Kristen saying we feel like we ended up with the best possible option there.  And then as we noted earlier, we have to have a bond vote. I don't think it compromises. Sorry, I know it does not compromise the construction schedule or CHP. If that does turn out the path council wants to move forward with, we have essentially till the end of the year to sort of make a decision of which path is best to move forward with. That is the end. Kind of the word for questions. Thank you. That is, I think that's very interesting. And I guess I'll just start us off by if you wouldn't mind muting yourself Kurt, sorry. Sorry, thank you. Thank you. I think that second option is very interesting and looks worth looking into. I have a lot of physics related questions, maybe chemistry related questions, like, you know, does the process of drying break down? Things like PFAS, I assume the answer is no, because it is low temperature. Anyway, and also, so that means that things like PFAS would be intact in the Class A biosolid. And if you're using it in agricultural purposes, like, is that problematic? But all of that is sort of maybe not, it's not exactly our, well, I was going to say it's not exactly our problem, but it's, but you know, it is something that I feel like is important to know. Do you have any thoughts on that? If we're creating a Class A biosolid that might have things like PFAS in it? Great. So, it does not, it's a system that doesn't want to destroy the PFAS. They're, you know, they're, there is a system that they're... Kurt, Kurt, I'm doing really wrong with your audio. Yeah, it's doing the super choppy thing. You got Tom Wade's going. I was going to call in, you're going to call in on your phone. Got you, okay. Perhaps while Kurt is doing that, other comments or questions on this part of the presentation? Lauren, go ahead. And yeah, I was, I was also going to ask about that. I know that like Maine, for example, they've been doing a lot of testing of land application of biosolids and they're basically finding PFAS in every sample. I was just pulling up a study. It's like 93% with PFOA, 65% with PFOA, like it's really high and they're finding it in farms and they're finding it in milk and they're finding it like I, if I like was going to bet on it, I think we're going to have regulations around not allowing land application of PFAS containing sludge sometime in the next few years. So I would just want to be really thoughtful about if we were investing in something that was then going to become a problem for us to figure out how to handle because we're down the road. I mean, I think it does seem really interesting and if that issue could be dealt with somehow, it's, I mean, there's probably there might be other contaminant issues too. I just had seen some studies on the PFAS in particular because I know it's been a big issue in Maine. So I definitely would want to understand that and what like RMI and others are doing about it, because I assume it's a problem everywhere that they're operating. So maybe they have some solutions or alternatives that they're looking at to deal with that. Just a couple other like questions, I would definitely be interested in like learning and maybe it's part of a MEAC or our net zero, like what are the pros and cons from our meeting our net zero goal of the two alternatives that we're looking at. It would be good to know what that looks like. I was also curious or just noting, I mean, there's going to be really unprecedented water infrastructure money that the state already through the American Rescue Plan Act is setting aside. It's still in negotiation, but it's like a hundred million dollars and we've got some really great local allies in the legislature. So this kind of project, maybe either of these projects could be interesting, but seeing maybe trying to get a sense of if there's opportunity there. One of the few things that was called out in ARPA was water and sewer infrastructure. So there might be money that's not normally available. So just would want to make sure that we're obviously exploring all of those possibilities and just one other conversation that's been happening at the state house, like the standard offer program. I think there's talk of it going away in the next couple of years or trying to get a two-year extension. I just, I don't know for it certainly would be an open question in my mind if we like punted on it, if we could get that ever again in the future. So I think it would either be like act under that now or at least be a very open question if that specific program and opportunity and maybe they would replace it with something else, but this might be kind of the shot. So if we could figure out, you know, if we decided we wanted to move forward with that, it might be like have to get it done in that 2023 timeline. And I don't know, it would be worth maybe finding out if they would like grandfather in projects that they or something if there was some extension or some opportunity to reapply. But I just know that that's that program seems to be kind of on its last legs. So just noting that. Thanks. Kurt, did you want to respond? Are you in the meeting yet, Kurt, on your phone? Nope. Oh, maybe. Do see a number. But I also saw, Larry, you had your hand up. Do you want to respond to any of that? Yes. No, just to the PFAS issues. So, you know, first it's ubiquitous. It's regional problems. I think the regulators understand that each individual community or municipality can't expend the capital to put in treatment systems. And it's high temperature thermal, right? It's not incineration. Actually, Massachusetts, they have incinerators. Those are places where they're trying to get rid of them, but they're actually, you know, a dichotomy of being able to destroy PFAS, but I met CO2. So I think those things are going to be handled regionally. With thermal drying, the basic benefit you get is you have a lot less of what you're having to deal with.  So right now, the material is 75% water. That's what's getting trucked in landfill. So just the premise of thermal drying is just evaporating that water. So you have less of a material to worry about disposition. And what we're seeing in Massachusetts and other areas are starting to see utilities or municipalities start to discuss together regionalization, you know, share the high capital cost of, in biosolids management, you know, Kirk brought it up. It's not just savings today. I mean, this is future risk management. So it's a big unknown and we're seeing utilities or municipalities making the decision that they want to control their own destiny moving forward. And part of that is having a class A material always gives you more options on what to do and having less of it gives you a whole lot more options. So the value of having those options, having a higher quality material and less of it sets you up better for the future. We have a project that we're doing thermal drying now and it was driven because it was a customers in the Chesapeake Bay watershed and they're land applying a good class B material for years. And just last year, they lost two or three of the five farms that they're utilizing because things are getting more stringent stringent with Chesapeake Bay, but also PFAS concerns and they made the decision. We're going to move deep to a class, a dry or reduce our volume and go to a class A and they're making it original. So they're going to bring in other municipalities. So short answer is yes, it's a problem. It's all over. It can't paralyze decision making. But when you have a better quality material and less of it, it always sets you up better and gives you options. That's all. Yeah, I appreciate the possibility of being less dependent on the leachate. That's also interesting. Other or Kurt just checking in. Oh, I see. Oh, multiple hands. Jeff and then Kate, go ahead. So neither one of these guys have patted themselves on the back enough and you haven't patted yourselves enough on the back enough for the success of phase one. And I just, I need everyone to focus on what's happened here, which is a huge, huge win for the city and success for ESG and the partnership that was forged two years ago and is now almost completed. It's pretty incredible when you look at the numbers. And before we begin to deal with the problem of what to do with all the gas that we're going to be producing, we need to understand that we made a really, really great decision. And you guys were the drivers for it. And ESG was the amazing, you know, environmental contractor that helped the curtain, Chris, make it happen. I mean, if you look at the photos, it's pretty amazing what we did. So I just want to pat everyone on the back for that because it's truly a remarkable achievement. So then we turn to what are we going to do with this gas? And I mean, it's really, this is another win-win situation that we have here. So we have to figure out whether it's more cost-effective to do this drier than it is to do the CHP. That's really, because there's so many environmental benefits.  I mean, we do have to think about the trucking that we have, the disposal costs that we have. CHP is really not going to help us get to the net zero because we're giving up the wrecks. So basically, CHP is generating revenue that would allow us to buy wrecks. That, from the net zero city's goals, we need to look at that from that perspective. If it comes out to 90% that Larry hopes for and ESG thinks, then there's going to be probably money available for purchasing wrecks, but that's what you're talking about. You're still going to have those non-avoided costs of transportation and the sludge disposal costs.  We haven't been able to have a committee member. We haven't been able to meet as a committee since all of this new information's come out. So I'm speaking personally is basically what I'm saying. I'm not speaking for the committee, but it only makes sense to me that we need to explore this drier option. We just need to explore it. I love the fact, Larry, I got to say I love the fact that you guys are on board to also explore it more and work with us on it because you've been an amazing partner. So I've talked too much. That's that's what I've got to say. I think we need to explore it and we need to come up with the best option moving forward on using the gas. Thank you. Yeah, go ahead, Kate. Okay, Stevenson, Montalier Energy Advisory Committee. So I echo a lot of what Jeff said in just how great this project has been and how much we value the partnership with ESG. You know, one of my questions, Kurt, is you said that, you know, you obviously need to work with ESG as an outside consultant to look at the methane utilization, but I'm curious if you have any sort of back of the napkin numbers yet on what you think the percentage utilization would be. Because one of my concerns all along is just, you know, how much are we talking about flaring of the gas and it just feels like a waste. So but I don't know yet what the thought is in terms of how many BTU that takes per gallon to to dry it. So I'm curious about that and just want to also encourage us to remember that that we are in the process of building the city's net zero 2030 plan for municipal operations. And we will be bringing a draft of that to the council in the next six weeks probably we're shooting for the end of June. And this is an important piece of it. The dollars are important, obviously from an operating budget perspective, and a funding perspective, but I also would just encourage us to look at the overall net zero goal, the carbon impacts of these different options. You know, that wasn't really part of this presentation, but I hope as we if we decide to take the next six months to dig into it further, that we're looking at the emissions impacts of these different choices and taking that into consideration as well. That's it. Yeah, yeah, thank you. And Kurt, you know, if you're in the meeting, you know how to unmute yourself. Oh, yeah, looks like you got it. I'm here now. Okay, great. Well, here's one that I would like to follow up on while I was unavailable there. First, the PFAS issue. So all right, this equipment that we're looking at currently does not destroy PFAS, but there is a technology out there that does, it's for paralysis. And in order to run the solids through the paralysis unit, you have to first, you have to first dry it. So this would be a step towards that if the council, you know, wanted to, you know, make that a goal in the future, it could potentially be regulatory, I think it's probably a ways out as far as requiring municipalities to do it. But this is a step towards that process. We actually did speak to one company that provides that type of system. And, you know, they gave us some budgetary numbers on cost of both units, the dryer and the paralysis unit. And it was the equipment alone is roughly around $5 million. But that system that they have does not really utilize the methane. So that's why we decided to take a step back and look at the other option as sort of the step one. So that's kind of my comments on PFAS. On the financial, you know, Kate just mentioned, you know, the financial impacts are not the only thing, and I agree absolutely. But I do want council to be aware of the many needs within the sewer funds. You know, we have eight sewer pump stations. Most of them are built in the 60s. They're getting scary, you know, they're 30 feet in the ground. They're probably at least a three quarters of a million each to replace those. So there's some big, big dollar investments that need to occur in our system. Also our pipes are almost all clay tile. You know, there's no gaskets in them. So the groundwater just runs in and that contributes to our sewer overflows.  We don't want, you know, we've been working for a long time toward eliminating sewer overflows, you know, and any any financial impact that takes away from that is going to delay that goal and that environmental benefit by eliminating CSOs. So I just want to, you know, just give you a kind of high level that there's a lot of needs out in the sewer system. And then Kate, you mentioned methane use. So ESG, again, they did a very preliminary look at methane utilization from these drivers we're looking at. They think there might actually not be enough gas possibly to operate these in winter months. But again, we really need to dive into the details. So, you know, I think there's a good chance that most if not all the gas would be utilized, but we can't say that with certainty at this point. It was just a lot of work to do to figure that out. I think that answers the questions that came up so far. We'll turn it back over to other concerns. Any other thoughts, comments? So I see, Dan, I also just want to add that there is a part of me that loves the possibility that this is a step towards pyrolysis. I'm just gonna put that out there. Dan, go ahead. Well, I guess my sense is that it's well worth exploring the second option for phase two. You know, in large part, one of the things that I think is attractive is what Jeff was saying about the idea that these represent actual savings to the environment. Fewer truckloads recycling actual material as opposed to the wreck credits that really are paper and aren't necessarily improving our footprint. Maybe credits, but I think it's a substantial, it's worth exploring. And I think it's ultimately worth comparing. And it would be nice to have sort of once we have those costs and effectiveness fixed to sort of look and compare the two projects. But I'm certainly supportive of this drier option. I like what it actually does for the products that we are accepting and currently processing now and the potential impact that it would have on the immediate environment. So I just want to be conscious of the time here. If other folks have comments, I certainly want to let you chime in. I'm getting the sense that people are in terms of providing feedback and direction to Department of Public Works that sounds like we should be exploring this other option. I don't think we need to vote necessarily. I'm seeing some thumbs up. And it also sounds like we're going to talk about this in the future. And I apologize, of course, talking about energy. I could just do endlessly, which is dangerous. So any other thoughts that folks want to share on this? Donna? Just great appreciation for all the information and how they presented it. Thank you, Kurt and Larry and Jeff, Kate. Thank you very much. You all make it make sense. Thank you. Yeah. Yes, thank you. And I also want to thank Jeff and Kate for sticking around. It is nearly 1030. You are awesome. Can I just make one last comment? Yep. Okay. So the next step, if we're going to evaluate the driers to develop a contract with ESG, maybe one of their engineers, that'll be the next time you see something on that, hopefully relatively soon, you know, we're going to have to spend some money to evaluate that. So I just wanted to put that out there that there will be a cost to looking into the driver a little further because we don't have the expertise in how to do that. And just to be clear, that will be covered by out of operational budget or that'll come out of the existing bond or what do you think? You would have to come out of the wastewater budget. Okay. And that's that's a hit you're prepared to absorb. I think we can manage it because the Phase 1 project is doing so well. Okay. Okay. Great. Okay. Do you need anything more from us? No, I'm all set. Thank you. Okay. Larry, go ahead. Just to request a travel budget for Kurt because we're going to be presenting Phase 1 at a lot of conferences. So you're ready. And other than that, thank you, Council Mayor, for taking the bold step and having faith in the project and the idea because it's really appreciative of it, showing faith in us. And it's it was, as Jeff said, it was a really important decision that really puts I think this plant in its class is one of the top plants in the country now in terms of what it does in terms of resource recovery efficiency and how they're managing biosolids. So just thank you on ESG's behalf. Really like working with you. That's it. It's great. Very high praise. Thank you so much. All right. So unless folks have more things that want to say, we're going to move on. I do get the sense that we should not jettison topics, right? Even though it's late. Jay, did I see a hand there? No. Okay. Just checking. Okay. So we're going to keep moving on then. Please, Supervisor's contract. Bill. By the way, this was on the agenda last week and you asked us to look into one section of the one, you know, one sentence in the contract. As I mentioned, this is a Supervisors Union is a new union. So we were creating a base contract for them to work from, which was derived from the patrol officers, but altering some language to make sure properly reflected supervisors versus patrol. And our agreement going into it from both the union and city was that we would not make any substantive changes. So we did look at the sentence that was raised by a resident last week. And I think, you know, the conclusion I got talking to other folks and talking to union people and attorneys is that this was, you it's not giving the police or the union carte blanche to ignore any city ordinances. It talks about if there's an ordinance that's in direct conflict with the contract, and we don't really have a lot of ordinances that deal with personnel issues other than, you know, the personnel plan I think might be considered an ordinance, that the assumption would be the contract would prevail and that if if there were a found to be a conflict, we would try to resolve that. And the intention behind that isn't to allow people to ignore, you know, to not have to follow ordinances. It's actually to protect the collective bargaining process. You know, in theory, we could propose something at the bargaining table and, you know, not reach agreement on it, so settle a contract and then pass an ordinance imposing it. And that is completely outs, you know, that is not what is supposed to be happened.  So it's not like it's something new. It's it's it's there, particularly integrity of the process. I suggested language that talked about an ordinance pertaining to mandatory topics of collective bargaining, that would just clarify what those ordinances were. And I don't think there was disagreement, but the basically the supervisors union said, hey, we agree, we aren't going to make any substantive changes. We think this is substantive change, we'll talk about it when we get to the table. And, you know, that same language is in the patrol officers union, and it's in the fire officers. So I intend to make that propose that change with all of them. I think it keeps the same integrity of what's intended to mean and clarifies it. But my recommendation is that we get this one taken care of so because we have to start bargaining with them for the next one very soon. So that's Jack, go ahead. Because the proposal to approve the contract was laid on the table at our last meeting, I think the proper thing to do now is to motion to take it from the table and I make that motion. I'll second. Motion and a second any further discussion? All in favor please say aye. And opposed. Okay. So that is now up for discussion Jack go ahead and move we approve the contract. Second. Okay we got a motion and a second. I would say I agree especially with the The commitment from the city manager that he is going to bring this amendment or propose change language when it is up for further debate, which is very soon. Other comments. Okay. Dan. I'll just say I'm assured by the fact that the attorneys who interpret these contracts on a regular basis have offered that same interpretation that it is of limited importance. So I think that's, I feel comfortable voting for it with that opinion as well. Okay. Okay. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed. Right. So that passes. We're on to the summer schedule. I do actually suspect that if we wanted to, we still could jettison this one. We do still have time to. You could, although the schedule that we put in there basically work for just about everybody and it still would allow you to get rid of one meeting. So we could wait, we could wait another meeting, but I will say from our perspective, the sooner we know the schedule, the sooner we can like tell people when to line up contracts and, you know, so it's always earlier is better, but you know, certainly if there's going to be a debate about it, let's put it off. If it wasn't okay with the dates. Yeah. Fair enough. These are fine with me. Other thoughts. Good. One thumbs up. Yes, Donna. I'm just a little disappointed that we don't lose one. That's all. You can. You can. It's summer. A block of time. That's all. Yeah. I think that's a good point. I'm not saying that those are the dates that worked for everybody, but if you all want to drop one. Pick one and drop it. Well, how about, I think that is a. Something that we should discuss, but maybe we don't have to discuss that right now. What you're going to do is you're going to move to accept the new schedule as the calendar and then next meeting, talk about which one to drop. I like that. Okay. Okay. Is there a second. Second. Okay. We got multiple seconds. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. And opposed. Okay. Great. Right. So. We can do this at the end. The executive session. And have to be super long. Okay. So we'll do. Council reports and then we'll likely have a. Executive session. Around. Collective bargaining. So it actually lists the mayor's report first. So I'm going to go first this time. Cause that's what it says. That's what it says. Okay. Okay. One is that I constituent call. This week. From a fellow who was interested in us going back into. Regular public meetings in person. Visibly as soon as the governor allowed, which is may something, but that is. I think the understanding was that the, the, we could go back to in person as soon as. As soon as some, some date in May, which we're in right now. Is that your understanding as well? Bill or Cameron. I think so. I'd want to double check that, but. We had opted. Because we were also trying to figure out if we could do some kind of hybrid. Right. Yeah. But like July, we would be, you know, We're supposed to be fully open anyway, but then the question comes out. We just getting more participation. Or is it, you know, so. We're trying to sort that technology stuff. Your call. Well, is there any interest in revisiting when we start to get back in person? Okay. I'm seeing some shaking of the heads or not. Okay. Okay. All right. That's, that's clear. Thank you. Second thing is that. So our, our my ride program has been super successful as we heard earlier today. And it's been so successful that capstone is interested in. Replicating. This program. But also including servicing Barry. And they were interested in a letter of support from us. And it would be going to. One of the earmark. Pots of money through. I think it was Sanders's office. I'd have to go back and look, but. Any, any thoughts or objections to. Any other comments? Okay. Okay. Tagging on to our, my ride program. Okay. Seeing the shaking of the heads. Any other, just want to check any other thoughts. Is it fine? There too. It wouldn't be just them doing it. It would be linking them. So people could get rides back and forth. Right. Right. Okay. All right. Great. Seeing thumbs up. Great. So that I think is it for me. Thank you. Thank you. Well, actually, I'll just say one more thing. Again, just very grateful for all of you. So thank you for your brains. And your patience. Okay. That's it. Donna, are you good to go next? Yes, really quickly. And I mentioned it because I may need. A letter of support from the council, or at least through the mayor. I just wanted to say that the council, I think is working on a grant for the earmark that Leahy and Sanders are offering. And we wanted to include in that earmark money for the. Simocast system that capital West is proposing. The console that Montpelier and Barry are new consoles for them. Barry and Montpelier and a new built in system of communication with Barry and Montpelier. And we're going to be putting that in for both Sanders and Montpelier. And we're going to be putting that in for both of those. So it got to me like a couple of million dollars, maybe more. And we've talked to, I talked to Bill. So far the city has not put in an earmark for that. So we're hoping we can do a regional. To make it more forceful. And I would hope that they wouldn't oppose the council wouldn't oppose if Anne wrote a letter supporting us for that earmark. The public safety authority board. It's all last minute. I don't know what's going on. Allegies is doing the 21st. Short window. Sounds fine to me. Cool. Great. Okay. Seeing some thumbs up there. Thank you. Right. Oh, Connor. Right. Couple of quick things. Just a heads up. I did get a request again. I mean, it was a really good idea. I think, you know, Noel was saying it would be nice if we could do a Juneteenth. Problem is we're gonna be ripping up like state straight over the summer, right? So it doesn't make much sense to paint it, rip it up and paint it again. So I'm trying to throw back some other options, maybe doing a banner that could be hung at the state house in the meantime, but just so you guys know that might be nice and not controversial last time. So it might be on the horizon again there when we pick a date. Otherwise, homelessness task force today, again, pretty staggering numbers. We have 238 adults in hotels in Washington County, 48 kids as of today. And 112 of these are eligible for those hotel rooms only because of COVID. So again, when this goes away, we're in for a bit of a rude awakening as a state and county and city. So just had a good presentation by the director of facilities in Montpelier High School. I was an adjunct professor at Norwich. Had his class actually designed some day shelter designs from Montpelier, which were incorporate showers, bathrooms, lockers. You know, it was really creative thinking and certainly no prices attached to this, but a lot of cool conceptual stuff that I think the committee's gonna continue to look at, you know, as time goes on here. So I'll keep reporting on that, but that's it for me for now. Great, thank you. Jay. Yeah, just a couple of quick things I wanted to acknowledge Alec and Parks Commission on the work that they're looking ahead towards, particularly some, I think there's a lot of energy and vision around improving Blanchard Park, which is, you know, tends to be, you know, it's so close to so many folks, but tends to be somewhat forgotten and appreciative of some energy being put to that space to make it more accessible and something that the city can better utilize. And then the other thing is, I just, I've had occasion for whatever reason in this past like seven to 10 days to have interactions with various city staff. And in each of those occasions, they have, without going into details, have really gone above and beyond what might be expected and were faced with challenges where they could have easily said, you know, we can't really deal with this now, you know, we're getting caught up, we're short-staffed, all of that, but they did the opposite and they, you know, took an approach to solving problems and helping the community. And I apologize for the vagueness, but Donna DPW and dealing with an ongoing issue that's been plaguing some homeowners for over, for multiple years, Zach dealing with constant water issues and Arnie being able to support a local youth soccer teams and club and helping with the equipment and gear. Like all things that could have just been like, you know, we can't really deal with it, but they've all gone above and beyond. And so I just really wanted to acknowledge how, acknowledge them and Bill and know that, you know, we hear a lot about, you know, folks who have challenges with city staff, but so often I'm reminded that they are doing everything they can and going above and beyond. So I just wanted to acknowledge those folks for all they've done and all they do for the city. That's it. Thank you. Make sure they know. Yeah, thank you. Dan. Three quick things. First, picking up sort of maybe on Jay's last note, I had the opportunity to take a, finally take a tour of the fire station and the chief Bob Gallans let it and had an opportunity to discuss some of the issues that the fire department is going through. And again, just amazing work that our staff is doing and really walking out of there, proud of the department and, you know, the systems that they have put in place. The second thing is response to one of the earlier public comments. I did actually follow up on the complaint that Steve Whitaker had made regarding a resident of Montpellier Housing, even though, you know, they have their own board and authority and it's a complicated situation like all of these.  And so, you know, I think it's always careful. I was taught as a philosophy student to not necessarily believe the worst in the philosophy you were reading because that was always easy to do, but to try and hang with them a little bit to understand what they were saying. And I think in a lot of these situations, you know, we have city staff, they're dealing with difficult situations that are far more complicated than we first hear. And it's always, I think we get, like Jay said, good responses if, you know, we have, we work with the people because we have a really good set of people that wanna help and that are in public service for the right reasons. The final thing I'll say is that, you know, the pool, I saw that the rec department is looking for volunteers to help with the pool, getting it back up in shape.  And so I hope others will as well and sign up for it because it's very exciting. And I actually had the privilege of an acquaintance reveal that his grandfather was the one who designed the pool. He was a federal engineer and highway engineer and designed it when it was the world's largest asphalt pool. I think it's now only the second largest, but a really cool piece of history. Thanks. Great, cool. All right, Jack. Best night. Okay, good. I am also gonna pass. Okay. All right, so I think that needs us to John. Oh, I don't have anything more to say than all my emails about Moldova. So I'll have more news about that next week, end of next week and I'll let you know. Okay, Bill. I do have a couple of things before we go and I'll try to keep these brief as well. Number one, I put in the weekly memo. If I mentioned 1216 Main Street or the Moldova property, whatever, so the good news is you can see that work is getting done there, that road is being built and it's finally cleaning up that mess. So that's great news. But also we have received, I don't know where a couple of inquiries about potential wanting to know if the city is gonna sell that property or could it be developed, those types of things. And as you know, we had talked about that, well, initially it was going to be sold and redeveloped as part of the initial deal and then it wasn't, we purchased the land. I think at one point, the council indicated its preference for keeping it as green open space, but also we were going to then do a public master planning process. We went through that and that master plan indicated that they thought its best use was in commercial resale, then, excuse me, commercial use, construction developed. Then of course the pandemic hit, and I think the only focus we gave was buying the property and we've agreed, we've come up with a plan to buy the property and part of that thinking was it did have market value if we needed to sell it to get the money back. So you don't have to do anything tonight, but I think we'll probably have this on an upcoming agenda because I think we need to be thinking about what we want to do with that. We, our first payment is due by the end of June. And if we were to take proposals, what would those be? I think we'd have to run a public process, but could we make quick conditions like there has to be a public bathroom attached to it or some of those kinds of things. So that, are there ways to think creatively about meetings of public needs as well as private needs? So again, just that's a heads up that's coming. We did have public records mentioned earlier in the meeting as well. Two things I want to say about that. One is to not ignore the appeal the documents were provided. So I felt there was no need to address the appeal because we gave them what he asked for. So that, I thought that resolved the appeal. So if I didn't, I guess that's on me. Secondly, because of confusion about requests from this one individual, but also from other people, we've actually created a new way to do it. And we have an email call and it is public recordrequestatmopulier-vt.org. And it'll be on our website. We're going to do some PR around it. And what we're trying to do, it's one of the things that happens, especially when we get somewhat casual email public record requests, they go to a person, the person may or may not see the email or see it in a timely fashion. So what this does is actually sends it to multiple people so that we all get a chance to eyeball it and make sure that the right person's made aware. And also we're going to start keeping a public log of all the requests so the public can see which requests we're getting and who we're getting them from and how they've been responded to so that we can all keep track of where we're spending our time on public record requests. So we have certainly taken this issue pretty seriously, talked about it at our team meetings about how to improve on this. And particularly in, as I said, some of them come in very formally and some of them come in quite casually and they're not always as clear. So we're going to try to deal with that. And then Dan mentioned the fire station tour. Just you should have gotten an email from Mary that we're setting up group tours as well for all the different facilities. So keep an eye on that. I don't know if it's gone out to you yet. It may have been out to our staff. I'm sorry. Now that I think about it was the scheduled dates but it's coming. So you'll be getting something with dates, tour dates. That's the end of my reports. Okay, thank you. All right, so I think going into executive session to talk about collective bargaining and I assume Bill, this is something that we should do tonight and not put off. Is that accurate? Or can you put it off? It would be better to do at least quickly. Okay, is that okay team? We're going to have a question. Question 11. Yes, Jack. Assuming we are going to do this, I move pursuant to one VSA section 313 1B that premature general public knowledge would clearly place the city at a substantial disadvantage regarding labor relations agreements with employees. And so it... There's a second. Okay, good. So I just would say that there's no expectation you'd be voting on anything. Now what we've been doing is keeping this meeting open and then coming back in. Torture. On the host, when I close out of it, I'm going to close out of the meeting. I could go in on a separate device or do we do it like we used to do the old way and just say we'll take another one when we adjourn? Yeah. Yeah, go ahead, Dan. I suggest we just simply adjourn. Obviously, if we did have to take any action, I think we're foreclosing that by doing it this way. But given what... Yeah, the high unlikelihood, then I think what we're essentially saying is that we're closing out the public meeting and we'll just simply take a note when we come out of executive session. And there's no need to further sort of keep people waiting whoever they may be, either here or out in TV land. Okay. So with that understanding, is there a motion? So we will not be coming back to this meeting if we go into executive session. Is there a motion? Well, we have a motion. Oh, I'm sorry. To make it. That's right. I forgot that we didn't vote on it. Okay. There's a motion, a premature knowledge placed city at a disadvantage. Any further discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. And opposed. All right. Now is there a motion to go into executive session? Yes, Jack. Now we go into executive session. And there's a second. And we already have the understanding that we will be adjourning from there. We'll note the time, but we will not be taking any further action. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. And opposed. Okay. All right. I'll see you all.


I've been doing a lot of work on FedEx. They report June 20 and I think that FedEx is a company that is very close to President Trump. I don't know if anyone even remembers last week because it was so Comey. We were all comatose by the end of the week. But if you look at what the FedEx has to offer in terms of privatization of the air traffic control system and the privatization of airports, I don't think there's anyone who's better. You got a June 20th earnings report. I think it's going to be good. But I think that you're going to see the FedEx, both the CEO and Fred Smith, a very big Trump supporter, in to see the President. I know that people are kind of just saying whatever the President is thinking right now is irrelevant. But remember privatization of the airport, he's always been very strong that the airports are no good in this country. Privatization of anything involving the airport has to be public private and FedEx would be a winner. Maybe they talk about it on the June 20th call.


As a veteran who fought in Vietnam, I tell my wife all the time that if I had not come back, I would have hoped that there would be somebody sitting in this chair doing for her what we're doing for the families. My name is Johnny Webb, and I'm the Deputy Director for Outreach and Communication within DPAA. We have the responsibility to keep the families apprised of what's happening, and so we also deal with all the Congressional's that come in. We also deal with all the Veterans Service Organizations, keeping them updated on our efforts. Well, the first year I did it was 1975, when the Central Identification Laboratory was located in Thailand. Well, I've been on a number of operations throughout the Pacific, places like Papua New Guinea, of course Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, but probably one of the unique places is in North Korea, having spent several trips over 20 times going into North Korea. But when we look at the numbers of 7,700 that are still unaccounted for from the Korean War, 5,300 are in North Korea. If we want to get answers to the families, then we definitely want to get answers to the families. We're going to have to get access back into North Korea. We operated there 10 years. We were successful every time we conducted a mission there. We recovered remains of Americans, and so we need to get back. I keep this small box on my desk, and when I'm having a bad day, I can open this box and pull out the POWMI bracelet. And it's very special to me because this bracelet belonged to a young Army soldier who was one of them that lost his life in Vietnam in battle. Over the years, I got to know his mother and father, and we would talk every time I would see him. We'd talk about their son. And many occasions he would say, you know, Johnny, I want my son back. I gave my son to the Army. I want my son back. I'm not interested in getting his remains back. I want my son back. When we had that discussion many times, one year, a few months prior to the National League of Families meeting, we had gone out and we had recovered a helicopter crash site where his son was on. And I was pretty sure that we had recovered his son's remains. And so when I went back to the meeting that June, again, I sat down as always and had a conversation with the parents, but primarily with the father.  The Army took my son. I want the Army to give my son back. And I explained to him that we'd been out to the crash site and would cover remains, and he needed to prepare himself to receive his son's remains, to honor his life. And so when it came time when his son had been identified and sent back home, there was a huge outpouring of the public. And I don't know, two, maybe three weeks after the funeral, I was sitting in my office and the mail came in and there was a brown envelope. I opened it up and there was just a very plain thank you note. I had the POW and my flag on the front. It was from the father. And he said, Johnny, I just want to thank you for all that you've done for me and my family and for all the families of the missing to show you my appreciation for what you've done for us. I'm providing to you, I'm giving to you the POW bracelet that I have worn since my son was lost, finally took it off when he came back home and I want you to have it as a token of my appreciation. So I keep it on my desk because this is what we're all about. This is what this mission is all about, is providing those families answers, giving them an opportunity to remember that loved one and to honor that loved one the way that it should be honored. It goes to our creed in the military, leave no comrade behind and I believe in that. We shouldn't leave any of our, you know, our fellow soldiers, marines, airmen, sailors behind. We need to bring them all back home if at all possible. I'm honored to play a small part in getting these people back to their homeland, back to their families.