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We could maybe talk quickly about The one the one that we've well everyone here's seen except metal But we haven't I don't see a slot for it coming up in any way shape or form being the whale And mainly wanted to let people know there's kind of interesting that it is such a Film that had eyes on it specifically for Brandon Frazier and it and it makes sense.  I don't know How far and wide it's gotten or how many people have seen it, but I give it a big old Recommendation the main I definitely would the main hurdle you have in that movie is gonna be that you're dealing with someone in a really big fat suit and That I couldn't wait you mean he didn't gain all that weight for the role. Well, I mean Why didn't he Christian Bale that shit? I don't even think Christian Bale go that far Listen, I appreciate this role. Appreciate the passion, but Christian Bale. Yeah People from Hollywood would have to come in and force feed him I've seen people fathom in the whale. Yeah, just there's that show right my 600 pound life You got all kinds of people in there that they're like they're like melting into their bed sort of thing Cuz they can't get out anymore. Where does the bed begin and the human end? Such as life it's nasty though It's a bit but it's not it's not a fun film No, it's not fun. It's it's tragic and emotional No, I meant in real life the 600 pound live this real people They run that's you know Did not like made up a special put it suits on Or is a CGI yeah, like at the end of each season they're like we'd like to remind viewers that none of this is real Okay It is tragic though. Yeah, but it's it's it's a film with It's like all set in one I was about to say one room. It's it's more than that but mostly one room and It's based on a play. Yeah, you could I got that sense watching it It's like yeah, this if it wasn't based on a play you probably get adapted into a play And it's it's you got you get you got I was about to say I don't know much I want to say this is recommending it.  He's extremely incredible and what was strange about this was that Coincidentally like three days before I had watched the mummy again where he does not let's say he plays a different character So it was really cool to see that Brendan Fraser has this incredible talent in acting and in range and being able to get emotional Yeah, you could say those two different characters and I agree live different lives And yeah, if he gets the Oscar that would be neat If I would be in Austin Butler gets the Oscar that would also be fine Yeah They're not calling Farrell right cap. I Think that'd be neat, but you guys are wrong in bad people. So maybe you wouldn't I mean he was fine Now he's really good. He did good, but that just didn't seem like a very You know Oscar where they're performance. I Think he was better in in bruise. It wasn't as good as Modak Legendary character performance that one Modak was really good. That's a powerful performance Don't want to know the actors reaction when he read that script Like so, so I'm a head with little alarms. It's like it's from the comics. He's like, oh, okay You can someone said you can skip talking about Ant-Man today. We won't tell anyone I know everyone Just call the screen that never do it just a total a total fake I did not make notes about how horrible this film is for them notes to be Disappeared into the void of memory whole edge even though most of the movie has already reached that culturally Did we get any official word on its box office drop-off like a definitive word? Wow, you're just assuming that this film would have box office drop Check like to have any percent cheese Which would be the worst? It would be yeah, I think black widow was the worst with like 68 67 Like this is suffer's record box office drop as this article Previously black widow had the MCU's biggest box office drop at sixty seven point eight percent though It should be noted that the film also released on the same day as on Disney plus Or love and thunder was a close second at sixty seven point seven Wantomania's drop is even greater than Batman versus Superman dawn of justices 69% drop and the sixty nine point seven percent drop that Ang Lee's Hulk suffered in 2003 Oh, wow So it was really good then is what you just well It's kind of weird isn't it because it's like why is it having such great opening weekends if they're so bad Then it's like that's that's what they've cultivated now I guess oh, yeah fucking strange like everyone really wants to see them when they come out But that immediately doesn't give a shit anymore like it's going to be the best ever It's gonna be so amazing and incredible and then they just Everyone is like no, no, it's actually not don't go watch it. Oh, dang. We were wrong again. It certainly doesn't So I said we go over this movie again. We Didn't get through the whole thing.  It's a it's kind of an insane film as it's it's in the If you could tear the worst of the MCU it's it's sitting there with MOM and Love and Thunder I think it's It feels like there's a gap between those three and then and then sort of next stage of badness They're very special those three You're good for their special kind of bad specialist the way to put it.  It's not even day.  Oh, man I like how that person was characterized with something that was relatively subtle and in line with things We've known to be true previously Scene that's all we want. It's just a scene This character sounds like a real person and the characters that I talked to each other are not talking at each other They're reacting what to what the other guy is saying Man, yeah, actually listen to dialogue in real life. I like people It is nuts in the How much in modern dialogue for the MCU?  Like I don't I don't man. It's like I forgot what comedy is and can do This is motion doesn't tell mild comedy at certain interval cells Yeah, because if you remember an Iron Man one they do it like basically the reverse It's not like oh sad scene then I got huh that happened the Mao.  He was good in real life when I met him There you go. Yeah, I think he's pretty good as penguin He's good in the lobster. He's good in in brooch. He's good in banshees. He's good as penguin in the Batman Yeah, don't forget he was he was a penguin in that movie. Oh, what are you showing me? Come on? That's pretty great So, yeah, you guys ready to kick back on with the events of this film and to Gesture it the idea of any of it making any sense at all. No, let's do it. All right, so I'll rewind us to him entering the Probability storm I know that everyone in channels exactly what I'm talking about. This is where we stop You're all like, oh, I know what that is. Yeah. Well, we stopped around there But you all would have forgotten. Okay, so it's okay The the it's funny how much I want to roll back is like the reason this is all happening is because in the in the area of this the quantum verse the subatomica is where Janet and Kang happened to meet Remember he crash landed right next to a little house In the quantum world or whatever because that's just some of that happened And then of course she helps him repair his big evil ship that the people who wanted him captured and dead Left him with for some reason and then just when it was finished up She attached for growers to it. There's a little quantum growy thingies and On that to the others are other ones called shrinkers showers shrinkers. I think And so That didn't instead of making it really big it made it really big and Generates a field around it where if you stand in it, it'll generate clones of you Who are the possibilities of the life you could take I guess I'm all I need to say that again I Restate that for the audience just so it sinks in You know, I'll come back to it once we once we recycle around this whole thing So like that that whole disaster is there and then and then Janet in that scene just jumps off the edge of a cliff And I guess ended up below the subatomica into where the other the I don't know the floor of the quantum realm is Where all the civilizations get built and people like verb can feed their their ooze to people Make sure they can speak to each other. I know you're like a fever dream. Yeah a little bit like a muller What are you talking about muller wait? Wake up?  You need to get outside immediately call emergency services You're not okay, so I think you are that part of the problem So obviously can captures at man He's like I'm gonna need you to go in there and shrink the thing back so I can then use it It's like, yeah, okay, that'll make sense and Modoc is like better be careful The way that you say that yeah, it does Almost believed you and I've seen the movie people are lost people We're on this roller coaster without any rails, and it's just zoomin everywhere up and down We're going no, sir So Modoc's like, you know better be careful the more time you spend in there the more it'll fuck with your brain and nobody Wants to know anything right yeah, I wouldn't obviously I'd be like yeah, I know what you mean by that a hundred percent Yeah, why would you be prepared and have a plan when we can be surprised and have a fun reveal? For what a very fun reveal and so he jumps in and you know, it's worth mentioning now I think I don't know if he's come up before but every time they jump through a Thing where they're going smaller and smaller and flying all around stuff They always managed to dodge like almost everything that looks incredibly lethal in the I don't even know what to call it Not a quantum-verse realm. It's like a the tunnel that appears whenever they try to start going somewhere Yeah, they don't even have the kind of suits, you know, like the flying squirrel suits that would actually help you Fly like that.  Well, I guess Janet has it but Yeah, even use the suits at any point in the film other than the prologue, right? No, no, they don't want wings. They don't want those lasers to use this. No, none of the blasty lasers Yeah, they seem very good. I wouldn't want some of those. I would too So yeah, he arrives and then Scott is like it's kind of weird if you think about it logistically This is so hard to explain. I almost want to do a diagram But it's like you have the big I would like to see what that diagram would even look like Well, I mean, I can't even where would I even draw it? I need like a I need like a white pad or feet Oh, yeah, no pad because if I don't blind people.  I said I wouldn't want to blind people. Oh It's all your blind people That's not the right no brain.  Whoa. Oh, that's us lots of times. It's the multi-verse. No, it's coming for us TV a is on his way.  Anyway, they make a good giant The thing becoming giant and generating that whole feel around it he jumps toward it When when should this effect begin? Should it not be when he's within X amount of vicinity of the thing? Well, I mean that would I mean it's that's That might be something that happens light. It's somebody else. Well, yeah, that's that's obviously what I'm getting at That's where I'm heading because it's almost for dramatic effect Yeah, even though it would have a shit turn of Ant-Man's just start spawning all around it and falling and screaming and stuff Orienting that would be for good all regular Ant-Man who wasn't told about any of this Which is something you really need to tell him because it's gonna affect his ability to complete the task quite a bit And you want him to complete it?  Modok man, but like you do want him to succeed, right? Yeah So yeah, I'm already getting I'm already getting army of the dead vibes What in terms of just nothing making any sense or the fact that of course, but the element of oh Do you not want this these this person slash these people to complete the task? Why are you? Why are you not helping them doing there? Why are you actually getting in the way of doing that?  I guess they can't do the whole thing They may have sent someone down and they just See what happens It's all very strange because modock the only reason I can come up with for why he spared modock We talked about this for we didn't really know why was that he knows stuff about quantum flames And that's what Kang needs and it's like and and what all he managed to do in totality was actually crack Shrinking them all and dragging them into the quantum realm But he couldn't figure out anything else like shrinking down to be able to get that and and shrink down the engine Like oh well, I guess Very specific things he manages to figure out for Kang, you know, right? Not the his specific enough to generate a very particular plot line not not anything else Yeah This way I mean it's so hard to be specific about how all of this falls apart So it falls apart several times over and over and over again The fact that it's they they're explicit for every choice you make it'll generate like us another person And then it's like they say it's they say it's a philosophical Mahler. Yeah, they specifically say every choice all at once That's what they say.  Well, yeah, I want to see this was like dr. Strange I want to see how crowded it would be because this would include choices of like I'm gonna place my foot like half an inch Yeah to the right then like I was intending like maybe it doesn't count like a subconscious I Don't see why it wouldn't I don't either. I don't know One of them what if one of them is it wouldn't one of them be like what if you were like a psycho killer?  And yeah, it's gonna be every possibility It's so stupid because they could do all these things and then they do one thing and the company breaks the rules They set up It's yeah, I don't know if they do that. Well, they do that all the time in all of these What oh right every single time Yeah, I want them to be honest no more cowardice and you have him take one step forward and it And it does like explode into loads of legs and arms and feet and then you just start you start hearing all them Squelchy noises as blood and guts just start splattering everywhere Yes, and you know and then you cut to mode I'll go in well that happened And then Scott's like, okay, I'm okay It's like why it wouldn't be quite every Every single possibility because it's only be every possibility from the point of the ant man that we've been Following jumping in there, right? Yeah, it's localized Yeah, it's so I guess so one if it's every possibility there's the possibility one of them goes nuts as soon as Muller just said Yeah, as small as this but when they say it's every possibility all at once. It's like, yeah, okay. We can have that So it's every yeah, so but I guess the one thing that definitely Broke me out of whatever that was supposed to be as far as a set of rules is the fact that there's Baskin Robbins Scott there. Yeah, which yeah, that's a randomly of Baskin Robbins Because he couldn't have become a Baskin Robbins guy while he was inside the Subatomica or wherever he is. Oh, he's yes. I think I think they're at the subatomica.  Oh, I think I have a reason so for the ones with the most dialogues some of them have the masks off as well You have to see the possibilities faces. Yes No, it's like when they're running towards the thing all of those Scots that spawn aware in the helmet I think I'm pretty sure basically all of them do Except for your main one. Yeah, I'm tired trying to follow this as hard. It's like, yeah Gonna get it as hard as well because yeah one of the Scots is then like Let's do it and he gets he bigs himself up in order to get close enough to Throw I guess a minimizer or whatever a shrinker onto the I don't even know what his plan is I thought I figure that's the plan and then he shreds into spaghetti You just yeah, it's quite gruesome actually like just well. Yeah, the first one I think it's not even spaghetti. It's actually looks like the limbs are separated. There's just blood. Yeah The second one's weird. Oh, yeah. Why why did that happen? I don't know because it doesn't happen again So the trailer and be people would be like wow, that's strange. Will these ant-mans running around? I don't not well. I'm talking specifically about the mechanics of why did I not go big and then die? I Don't know. It's a more or less about pride Well, he does say look out for the little guy.  Yeah later on The promise generates immediately is like wait so in the vicinity of the engine if you are a big man You'll die It's like but that's precisely what he was when he was heading toward it as in like he shrinks and then shrinks and then It's just like so he should have just been dead When he was big like before he hit the final phase he's already within the the engine so to speak point actually I don't know. Just I just don't get it. It's and it's just like well because it's gonna generate We're doing a payoff thing and it's like oh, sorry. It's just like I guess it's a payoff. It's good It's good.   Are they all receiving Modoc's messages at the same time Because then like there's everything they say Well, but like surely it should actually work that way.  Oh And so yeah, like your realistic scene. She's like dad and you just hear like Ah They'd have to like This was something I was thinking about as well How can he like could shrink like four or five times to get in there? He's in the quantum room. How can he shrink? Why can he still relative?  Yeah, I guess they did off-screen sweet But how does it work? Does the quantum room like scale down the pimp particles appropriately to like have to function? And when he is in the quantum room when he is at that point as it okay, so this is super fucked It seems like when you're in when you when you first start shrinking beyond safety You end up in the void, which is where he was which is where we thought Janet was and he's like, okay There's something Ant-Man and the wasp she is in the same place like at first Well, so I was gonna say We're not gonna count Ant-Man one and two mostly because I can't make sense of this with this film alone Let alone involving those two I was gonna say like below the void is supposed to be the subatomica and that's where she lived for a while Alone until she met Kang and then below that is the quantum realm where people like Bill Murray are and it's like Oh, so where's the engines like that's in the subatomica to so if we say in real life You're like, you know one in terms of sight Maybe I'll say ten in terms of size can you go down to like five at the smallest and then when you went to the void You're like a one and then the subatomica you're like a tenth of that and then the quantum realm You're like a tenth of that I guess And it's so hard to understand because you can keep going bigger and smaller and We're gonna have to talk a lot more about this when we reach the the third act because it gets I don't know What's happening anymore in terms of the sizes? But yes, it's very confusing. He's shrinking over and over again But do you remember like he teleported from? The the quantum realm the Bill Murray place to the subatomica through Kang's little portal, right? Is that a different place or did he just go somewhere else in the quantum realm? Well, it has to be a different place because it was generated with Janet and Kang met and she said she was alone there There was no there's no civilization there Yeah, so I was confused. I thought that she was just in a remote part of the yeah And that's what I thought too So I took it to me that when she jumped off the edge She fell like almost infinitely down and then she hit the quantum realm. I guess eventually That's the thing so the fact that she Specifically mentioned the void and the subatomica and then the quantum realm I assume they threw those in as an attempt to make this somehow make sense Because the subatomica is bullshit. What does that even mean? I think and then it's like the void. Why is there the void? Between the void is between earth and then the other earth that's really small kind of or whatever a light sign I avoid the bottom. Yeah, I don't understand. I don't send any of it And it's like well the thing is we have a problem like what is it? It's like well, there's a there's a film called ant-man that said there was just the void So we gotta we gotta address that somehow Well, that's because he couldn't look far enough at least that's what she made up So there you go and like I think it causes them big problems to have Kang land with her Well, she's a part of this whole civilization They would have to write the story very differently I guess so they wanted them to be alone together and so they have to invent a place That's not the void not the quantum realm not earth where those two can hang out And so I think that's why they called it the subatomic. It was just some bullshit No, I thought it was just at some remote area of the quantum realm because it looks so much The void and the subatomic are that I think but the other thing is she has like weird weaponry that she didn't have before right? So you must have gotten those somewhere You mean the guns? Yeah, she has a guns and stuff Well, the thing is she said she had nobody to talk to so I assume that she built them It's just confused the movie is very confused Yeah, I know I'm joined it gives us all these informations, but they're none of them line up a second I don't know how come team pin is able to fly the ship there That's a great question because this is this is where it gets really confusing you can't have people just Go there you can't have people go from the subatomic or to quantum realm if there are places that require different sizes They can't just go to these places like they're on a map, but unless they are just on a map Yeah, I think that lends some credence to the idea that it's just some Remote area of the quantum realm that it's just somewhere on the map Well, she said that you couldn't see past the void and past it is like what do you think she's referring to when she says subatomic or that point? I don't even know if we see subatomic Your instinct is to consider them as layers like a sandwich where you get smaller and smaller Yeah, or maybe they're all equally small. They're just on top of each other. I don't know I Don't know Okay, no one really really hard to figure out and we do what we can here, okay? I Want to write the writers don't know if you were to ask them if you were to sit them down and say The void the subatomic. Oh, what's the difference between these two? Where are they in relationship to anything?  Do you have to fly upwards? Are there like floors? Is this like the the nether in Minecraft? What's going on? So back to what Fringy was saying about how in the previous movies there are limitations to how small he could get it seems that Even in the quantum realm he can get smaller. I it does the quantum realm have its own Quantum realm It seems like it does honestly because he can he can shrink to the size of an ant relative to everything in the quantum realm So could he not go even further? Sure, why not? It's not how the movie operates. It seems like you could just go infinitely small forever with no restrictions at all. I God forbid I'd have to watch it again to really try and see if there's anything I can make sense of it But it's too difficult. It's like it seems like they could now shrink indefinitely and be okay Like there's no worry. I don't think it's even worth looking into you're not gonna be rewarded with an interesting answer No, and I think that if you said all this to the writer, they'd start laughing you They'd be like it's about what matters is the characters not this yeah, like silly stuff like that I'm like, I guess I'm really thrilled with the work you did on these characters You happy in your brick Improved top dog anyway He's he's getting lost in all the ant man's it's really sad and the door's like no We can't have that and then and then he starts like Pressing the thing in his ear kind of like he's done in the previous movies when trying to control ants and he manages to unify all of the Scots to Perform in a way that pushes just you're talking about Braveheart for a second The Unified all the Scots What oh right the Scots because there's him does get his freedom They raise him to the top of all of them. They make a giant like ant hill thing and Modoc's like whoa, how are you even doing that? And it just made me think like did you think you would fail and didn't care like you Remember, you're hoping he can do this. This is something you want him to be able to do. It's so weird It comes across as though. He's just like ha ha you're losing Odd but yeah, they all they all push him right to the top and they're like, yeah do it It's gonna be great odd he fires a shrinky thing at it, but it sizzles and falls off Yeah, I have no idea why Reasons because each it that's why and why only fire one and why is it only Scott that's firing can't all of them fire No, why? Because that's not allowed and the writers didn't think about that the technology They used to communicate has to work because that's the payoff. He unites them all with you using the technology So it's like so what the communications work, but shrinky technology doesn't Why if they all just they all fired it would be the exact same Payout wait, you so was that I don't think they're real They're definitely real. No, they're definitely Walking on top of them. Yeah, like they're really in all the ways that matter Maybe they're like metaphors for confidence or something Me I'm confident. I have confidence in sunshine Number I would have helped I have confidence in rain Mola hallucinating again, maybe I'd rather watch the sound of music Oh, yeah, I'd rather I'd rather watch the old nuns pull the spark plug out of the Nazi car and everything I just want to that's a Mola, let's give up and look at me Meme episode food everybody so As they're arriving Hank Janet and Hope hopes like oh I can hear Scott I'm gonna go get him and jumps out of the ship and just start shrinking.  Talk to Janet. You don't even yeah, you have no clue. What's that other Jadis like? Oh?  Yeah, just don't look at them.  How beautiful? How do you even know?  She just knows it's like we all do It's absolutely insane. She says don't look at them. They're just possibilities. They're not you. Yeah, it's like I know they're not but I mean The idea that they're all real right mom, but this is like don't look at them People the real like they have feelings. I'll be honest with you man The fact that she says like don't look at it. It comes across and say was like just don't think about it Don't think about it. Don't think about it. Don't think about a morning. Okay Yeah, so that's something to have a conversation about I guess but I'll tell her clones start immediately as she's yeah, she's not even gotten to where Scott is and your clone started up All right, so now you're thinking because you're listening and you've understood everything I have said I know that See like how are they gonna solve this probability problem all these clones everywhere?  That's what I was trying to talk about earlier I don't understand mechanically why you can't be big there, but you just can't oh I thought it was being big, but you like reached up into the thing or you tried to get close to it I thought that's what triggered the spaghetification considering how close he and hope get to it I am much closer than any of the big boys. I would say it's just the getting big there is what kills them But that doesn't make sense, you know Maybe Either it makes no sense or it doesn't make any sense There's a good choice. Oh, yeah, you can choose your flavor of nonsense so that it goes down easier. Yeah, exactly Yeah, nonsense. So before he can fall fully is he she grabs him Good old good old wasp, and he's like oh my god. Hope are you real? She's like I'm real and then it goes to a wide shot and all of their possibilities start going into them and Why It's they So they make this Probability storm they introduce it like like a real thing like a thing that happens in this universe But because they are here now and I don't know because of the power of love they made it stop I think the probabilities are not a factor anymore Yeah They go all undone down to one Scott and one wasp and I legit have no clue what the right I wanted us to think was the reason why But they didn't look cool mutually how they just all it's like a bit big Yeah, but so just said all the Divergent paths converge on we must save Cassie or some such It's like so for one thing none of the wasps are saying that or even know about that And then second anything the scots unifying in a sense of save Cassie is the only reason that Scott has a chance to actually Fire the the shrink at the thing like they need to be there. They don't they can't like, you know Fall into him or whatever that would prevent him to be able to do it. Yes Mahler, this is the movie where the wasp is the least consequential even though there's the most of her. Oh Yeah, there's a significantly large amount of wasps even though she there their impact per wasp ratio is staggeringly small.  She she expanded it by four So if you shrink it by 15, it's now 11 times smaller Way too many But luckily it shrinks to the exact size they needed to be so it's all good and also they shrink back to the Right-size. Yeah, those guys do too. It's for some reason. They just I guess they did that while it was shrinking again This is it look it all just worked out. Of course it did. Okay I'm very glad it did too It makes me happy. That's pretty cool that I walked out. Oh, that's that's good It makes me well that ends well that probability storm. It's like could I We could be like if we jump down there with let's say the rarest thing ever made on earth and start duplicating our possibilities We then get him back out We just start duplicating materials down there Maybe no snow about this Did they get a sense camera know about everything Does Thanos know that at the center of the universe, whatever that means there's a thing that can grant a wish Does he know about that? Don't worry about it. Yeah, the whole center of the universe you probably like to know about that Yeah, that would have been probably good about easier than getting all the stones This this this this universe is Pretty pretty incoherent pretty good. Well, I'm good Yeah, they arrive and they clearly have no plan nor do they even attempt to like formulate one other than scots Like I made a deal with Kang I gotta give him this and then you'll give me the order back and then Jan is like, oh, well, you know You can't can't be doing that though. He's just trust me and it's just like I don't know why she doesn't say it immediately But it's like it'll destroy the entire multiverse if you give him that that's what you need to do He says it because it's like no you can't do that. We'll get here later. I promise Yeah, cuz like Kang tries to offer him a choice again, and it's like he doesn't even know what the stakes are Why aren't you like he doesn't know what he's doing? It's like such an obvious fuck-up in the film that the two times Scott has like a choice to make He doesn't know what he's dealing with except evil guy is saying get me a thing and I'll release your daughter That's it. And it's like well, I mean with them as you've said them. I just that's okay. Yeah, fine That seems almost normal actually Yeah, I was just like but when you explain. Oh, no the whole multiverse is at stake if you do it like, oh, okay Now I understand Yeah, she probably should have told them all probably What no she was sad and then he has a really funny line Kang he says I wouldn't trust her Janet has a way of changing her mind Like what Doesn't everybody change their minds on stuff. What do you mean? Happens like when they discover that you're evil. I just like the idea that the super obviously evil person who threatened to torture his daughter Is like I wouldn't trust her Okay, bro, I'll listen to you again You've always come across is so trust with a gag Oh This is the point where you kind of wonder like with his super suit Can they take him and it's like well apparently not right because he could use telekinesis and fuck with them However, he wanted to at the same time as well, right or you can do as many as you want as far as I know Yeah, just needs a finger to do it. It's crazy What I was trying to highlight was that they'll probably lose a fight with it But I guess really bad because they decide to fight him They both shrink really down like down really small wasp at that man They both go to punch him and he literally flicks them with his finger and they both They're out. They're done GG. I assume it's supposed to try and evoke the sense of like flicking a bug and being like wow Look how powerful he is but the problem is like he doesn't kill them. He just leaves them Exactly, he doesn't even check on them at all.   Let's see how they do which is again more evidence I think for the idea that they're in the subatomica Rather than he said god this movie is confused. It really is. He's saying like it's hard to survive in the subatomica So I'm gonna ditch them here even though they have a ship. I guess he sent modok to destroy Hank ship. That's the idea with that. I don't know Which is happening too by the way.   That's like the whole character. I guess And he's like I am the ultimate weapon That's a funny part.  It's like what are you doing? What's up with that?  It's the end of the multiverse So what do you do? And she starts running off to see if hank's okay Yeah, and that ship crashed like pretty far away. Yeah, like it would take a like an hour to run to him at least Yeah And I just remember thinking to myself like isn't there like I know I hate to say it but like Hank's dead if Either way if if if you let him get away with that engine But she like completely forgets about it. I guess and you could argue.  Jesus Christ calm down. True. That was horrifying. By the way, someone someone uh Uh dm me That the way with the whole cheating stuff.  I didn't check that. I just found interesting if that's true So according to end endgame five years is only five hours in the quantum realm Uh, it depends on where you are in the quantum realm Yeah, it's they've changed their mind on a lot of these things. Oh, okay It kind of opened the door to it being anything They just don't even like know they say in the movie I think hanks says the asphal to a time dilation. That's all he says They got their time extended. All right, so they if you bring that up she was getting dilated in a well I think you just say it was incredibly lucky for all of these characters that they landed in a place Where the time was basically one to one that of the universe Yeah, like with earth because if not could you imagine if they came back and it was like a million years later that'd be I'd be lame for them, wouldn't it a little bit Because apparently with those rules Without those time dilations she would have only begun for like 30 hours or something I Was already inconsistent with that man too because janet aged normally. Yeah, I the thing is Ant-Man It's not the one you rely on for very consistent rules. It never has been Quantum we don't understand it so good.  Yeah, we don't understand it That's why it makes sense that all the most convenient things to us happen.  It's pretty easy void. The void subnautica I went into a quantum realm that gives me unlimited power. That's why I won There we go. Nice. I am me disney. I can do it. That's fortunate I want some millions of those dollars Oh Um, so yeah, think about this, right? Kang he's got exactly what he wants now and the only people that have even Begun to annoy him and have the kind of technology that might be able to beat him are all there and and uh He's he's actually like if he was a man of his word, I guess You could judge that from this being that he's not giving the daughter back Even as a line where he says, uh, she'll be fine without you which is really strange It's like wait, are you saying you're going to keep her alive, but you're not going to let it come back to scott? Why? You know what I mean? Like if I don't know if I think it would have been actually way more interesting if kang had said like opened a portal dropped in Cassie and said, you know, this was the deal Now we're done.   What what is all this? I don't really I don't know. Uh, I've showed them how powerful I am.  Yeah, I capture all of them kill all of them or leave them all in the like Why have you clunkily done all these different things to different people? It's so annoying because if he had just killed, uh, hope and scott right there, he wins Yeah But uh, no, I wouldn't do that That would it's such a it doesn't want to win that badly his character wouldn't want to win that badly It's funny how well dr. Evil and awesome powers and shit that ages with the With scott evil being like I have a gun in my room.  They might escape. He's like no, I'm going to assume it all went to plan They still do it to this day and it's not because it's uh, it's a trope that everyone does because it's just like no It's just shitty writing.  I just can't think of a reason. They put these characters in these situations And they're like, I don't know. Did this evil monologue they just trapped.  So maybe They could have decided at this point like, oh Shit, he's way too powerful right now. We need to game plan. We need to regroup. We lost here Maybe just let them run away and regroup instead of You know, even getting them into the situation they're in right now I might have had it so that they all fight him together.  He says like janet.    Listen.   I think it might just be something like that. Yeah um Because it continues she says in so he says when you can see the time the way I do you don't get to close your eyes And then she says you're the only one who sees And again, it's like what I don't know. I don't even know what that means I don't know any of it does and then he says I'm the only one the cad see it's broken You're like, oh, okay. Okay. It's the time is time is broken I'm yeah times broken. I guess And who broke the world is broken I don't know mcu jesus.  I saw how it ends Chaos spreading across realities universes colliding endless incursions. I saw the multiverse and it was dying And again, I'm just like what? How do universes collide? I don't know The impression we got from Loki was just that a bunch of kangs sort of took control and then all wanted to have ultimate control But apparently like multivisual walls happen. I guess As they do It's I don't know if it's at this point in the movie But there's some point where he shows this little diagram where it somehow times like a big circle that's branching off And then there's another one hologram on top of it And then they're crashing into each other like see look they're too close together.  Look at my diorama. I have two cycles Then I push them together. There's not enough room Equals bad. Yes. Yeah Very straightforward. I wish Janet would have been would have gone like oh, where's the quantum room here? Is that somewhere in between there or is that he's right there? Then she goes subnautica No, that's the game The game janet people It's better in other universes. Yeah, I legit want just one I want a character in the mcu that just starts asking all these questions and I'm just like, what do you mean? It's just right there. It's like, no, no, well, it doesn't make sense because of that. It's like, uh Tell you what you can make them very likeable very quick if you have them doing that. Yeah What was it y'all complained about anything?   All right You could be like muslin us. Yes. Yeah, you you could be like, okay. Well, you know, uh, yeah I guess I valued my universe over another one that was attacking mine. Yeah, sure And so I wiped them I wiped them out before they could wipe us out or something like that But he says no, that's what conquerors do they bid the broken world and make a new one It's like oh, that is not what okay. Listen. That's like, okay. See you evil. We're into mountain of skulls territory here I drowned him in skulls and it didn't work. I just don't understand Skull drowning step from the open grave to try and pull him in and somehow he he got scared by that When I told her I was going to burn away the current world in favor of a new one She seemed to not like understand how good that is. I just Got women. Am I right? They just don't get it She's anti-burning. I apparently judged her. I thought she would have been pro-burning I thought they wanted a guy who's passionate Um, and so then she says you don't care about saving anything or anyone You only want revenge because they beat you because you lost Again, this is a moment for you to be like well me losing means my whole universe dies So, yeah, I don't want to lose you kidding me You know, you can have her actually like a dress up instead. He says I have lost you have no idea what I've lost And at this point, I feel like we just need the moderator to step in and be like guys guys We're going way off topic here Guys you're circling the conversation not much is being achieved. There's a couple fallacies in here I'm spotting and I swear that that was a strawman bit earlier there from Janet. I'm just saying Changing his argument in the middle. You know, it's just a docking points for that Yeah, just keep it keep it friendly guys. Okay. You have a discussion like some adults here. You know Put your time out for 30 minutes. All right, okay time if you see time out as I do Okay, that's it you're going in So He says I will burn them out of time for what they've done to me and then she says You'll be wiping out entire timelines murdering trillions of people Very strange that she would go with trillions, but it's just like just infinite at that point, right? Infinite, you know, I mean, I guess if you're good, it's like a lot and it's fine You don't want to go too high. It's like in austin powers 3 where he says vermilion, fulfilling, gajillion, bajillion Yeah, the problem is if people listen that go, wow, that's that's a lot and then it's like guys the universe is It's big really big Um, so anyway, billion cars in the universe Her yed. Yeah, he ends it was saying yed Hey guys, uh, she's like she he says all that. Sorry Well, she says all the whole mill murdering trillions of people think and again He could try and move the conversation in a direction That the sort of focuses on the whole like it needs to be done to prevent a greater bad Or that these people Are going to destroy her will just as well as his it's the same world or something, you know something But instead he says I wish that mattered janet I was like really that's that's There's no tact literally trillions of lives ending. I wish that mattered janet Okay What was the point of this conversation? I don't know.  It's my cool name. It's like, uh, that's very sorry Karen name. It is. Yeah So that's the end of that scene Hooray gained a lot finally some good news Well, it's just unfortunately that means a different scene is going to start up.  Yeah Do you see kassie who is currently under under, you know, she she's captured by those robo soldiers who I guess would have taken her from Where she was when she was watching scott in the Probability storm now she's being dragged back to prison and of course she has all of her technology Like why wouldn't she naturally make sense of it let her keep all of it Need a movie. Yeah Now, um, it's really bad this scene. I I just wanted you guys to strap in for this one You see about four soldiers. I want to say Five meters behind where she and these two are who are just standing there And they are still there when she Throws a shrinker and a grower on on both of these do all one each for the dudes One of them gets so big he crashes through the ceiling and the other one gets so small She can kick him and he's knocked out I guess one of them becomes ultra powerful and the other one is dealt with and so No rags, it's fine because the one that got big he just he doesn't move at all literally. Oh, he not only does not move He becomes imperceptible Yes, he's he's uh, he does actually disappear. Um, not only seemingly in the edit like you think he would have shown up Where but we were was but several more guards walk on to the onto the area and she goes small And so the film's like, ah, they can't see it because she's small Like, yeah, but there's a big-ass guy right there There's a massive pair of legs sticking through the ceiling in the middle of the hallway and they just don't notice I guess, you know, I guess we're standing so incredibly still So, um, that's yeah, just really solid scene real great excellent. Good job guys I loved it. Um, and then and then we find out the big twist and we can finally talk properly about it Hank is okay as is scott as is hope and their ship is repaired How you ask Well, because the ants from the opening in their little High-tech farm where they were doing everything themselves as hank said just evolving and designing technology on their own They fell into a time dilation field that pushed them Tens of thousands of years forward to be more they're a very what do you say type 2 technocratic society or something?  It's gonna save the whole storyline. It's gonna be great Yeah, no idea why the hell any of that happens, but it did It's not an exaggeration guys It's literally the ants come in save the day out of nowhere Because they and no one else who went down to the quantum realm fell through a time dilation field Nope of of what tens of thousands a year. That's really sad because they need a lot of time to advance Yeah, a lot. I mean, I know they're pretty smart ants, but it's gonna take them a long time How much are we betting that they forget about these and they will never come up again? Even though they extremely powerful allies they might come up once or twice for a joke later joke Yeah, that'll be it.  I like the ants. There's some of them I was like, oh look at them go all those little ants Working hard and they got their little they're the little god person who made him this way and they never forgot about them And they probably got like statues of him back home and antropolis And you know, they're just they're doing their best and they're really Well, so I don't know silenced which I guess is also lucky that they didn't just move on from him Oh, yeah, someone's just highlighted the big problem that I don't know if you you were sort of highlighting that as part of What you were saying mel, but now you just take the ants back to earth and solve everything ever. Yeah exactly They stay in the quantum realm, it's fine. Oh and what kind of technology you got Just feel like you got some good technology to use Yeah, a little bit to be honest with you with how they described they probably should have had the kind of technology to just The flick of a switch win the day, you know, so yeah, whatever, but In any case, he says we're gonna be doing this and it's all great And he's describing how it all worked and they fixed the thing and they're about to get ready to take on the Take on the bad guy and he says, I mean, I know socialism is a charged word But we could all learn a lot from these And and he's cut off with hope saying dad Um, yeah, don't be cringe. Yeah, I don't I don't remember Like I think is the joke supposed to be like, uh, oh hangs off on one of his socialism rants again Which is like something he does No This is big cringe. Yeah huge cringe. I don't just like so visible Wasn't funny, but then you're like, wait, will you try to make a point? And then it's like the technocratic class 2 ant species civilization is evidence of the value of socialism What? I thought that seems like a complete backfire if any point was trying to be made But if it's just supposed to be funny, um, I don't think anybody laughed with it, you know, no A bit of a weird one uh There's so many jokes that have been made about it the thanky sanders thanky But also like ants have queens Yeah, so they're monocles and like no individuality Well, and let's just say judging from the other ant I like how it's just like let's get real movie ants are not socialists, all right They're actually constitutional monarchy I don't understand why hank would say it. He's like the one that's hereditary monarchy He loves the fact that no, I'm making a meme.  I don't know Yeah, I'll vote because you do what the queen says To be slightly fair to the movie, uh, I think obviously these technologically advanced ants have like Developed into a socialist society. I guess I think the implication is that He's not saying that ants were already socialist or else he would have been saying we could learn a lot from ants I I guess I'm curious about I just want to know more about these ants I just want to know what their world looks like what that's society how it's organized Do they have like a really good social health care like public health care system? Do they have like, um, well, it's funny because that actually that opens up That opens up a whole lot of questions that I'm very curious about what is their investment in all of this What did they have to say about it? It's not even whether or not I I'm happy to believe they do care, but I want to know You know, just what and how many people are they willing to lose to fight a war that's not theirs, you know, like Um, do they know what Kang's intentions are? Is that why they're invested? And if this if so, how? And or is it just hank needs our help Somehow and we have to help whatever hank wants to do will do which seems to be the case Does that make sense though when the but why when there's been tens of thousands of years? Yeah, they seem to have no will of their own at the end Except that they're just here to help and throw as many bodies on the war machine as necessary to help whatever hank wants to do war machine Oh, yeah, I don't know. It's a bit Bit much. It's a bit weird, but okay What a world on we go Um, sorry really quick before we move on I'm still hung up on the fact that how lucky they are that only the ants Went through the time dilation or any time dilation field You can only say it once like as a thing that happens And then you just have to keep repeating it because there's nothing like it's just so shocking that someone would write this Yeah, it's like you haven't highlighted any new problems. You're like, no, I know It's so amazing that that they would write that only hope What if only hope went through a time dilation?  I don't care what he can do. I'm getting cassey And then they're like, well, how do we even the odds? And and Hank's like, well, there's a great writer once said there's always room to grow And Scott's like, you read my book. There's every goddamn word now. Come on. Let's go to work I feel like that's a payoff from a completely different movie. Yeah I've been inclined to agree with you. Yeah, because that's that's quite a huge deal.  We talked about it We don't need to talk about it again Scott says something he looks at everybody says like you're so inspiring or like you're so incredible He says something like really complimentary to him and then later on He says back to scott in the room about cassey.  Oh, okay.  I'm sorry. Yeah meadow. That's right.  So Hey, oh Auschwitz but all right German words So Cassie manages to free the try hard lady and she does it because she slams a robot's face into the lock Because that that obviously would do it That just that works that way and it gets even funnier because she does that to break her out And then try hard breaks everyone else out by actually like typing in the codes And I'll remind me who try hard lady is just the leader of the resistance It's like a warrior check Markings on her the try hard, you know Yeah, sure. She has a good name for her, but I don't remember it. Oh, I wonder what her name is I'll need to go go out in a second. She apparently from the comics, but lisa No, that's simpsons. I believe That's different.  They're not threatening at all.  They just like poof away Yeah, they melt away. So you're right some of them fall over but some of them like actually evaporate and you're like What that's right?  I think um I saw because I've seen gary's video on out man.  She she she sees her get out of the prison cell the tryhard lady and cast he's like Wow Like when when she looks at her she just does that you're like, okay And then it cuts to tryhard lady. She kicks one of the robots.  It's like, oh, what are you doing? She didn't do anything amazing. You are way more amazing than her. What do you mean? The writer is just it's like, yeah, they're pretty cool, aren't they? It's the writer declaring their own character's cool Yeah Which uh, it's pretty pretty lame like basically all the time Don't do that being cringe So, uh, then then we will we answer the third act and kang is giving his speech to all of his evilmans time to To ascend to the the the overworld. He's like the underminer in Incredibles. He's tired So he says today we ascend from this fortress. I will take my revenge on those who banished me today. We conquer eternity I was thinking to myself like wasn't that what the center of the universe was called eternity? Yeah in Thor. Oh, maybe that's where he's going. He wants to go get a wish Yeah, then he goes there and he's like wait the wish is done. What was it?  It's like what is it used for?  It's like, oh his whole movie is getting there then right the end He realized it's like maybe the wish wasn't that important. Maybe it was truly the friends he made along the way They were probably big for a way better movie, but you know Where are we here so many things that happened all at once he's that speech It's interrupted it does get into sorry.  I was starting to think about like all those flashes of him like shooting and having like fights and stuff It's like, why is any of that happening? I thought the nature of him Erasing timelines was like dropping those grenades or you know, you know, I mean like Why why why would he need an army of robots? What do they do? Where do they go? Conqueror needs an army They're robots or are they people? I don't know whatever soldiers But I don't I don't know I I don't understand because I'm trying to think you know like Kang at his prime He had full control of the timelines in the form of the tv a question mark. I think Well, because I guess we're gonna find out and Loki, right? Like maybe there's another Kang Guess so I guess there will be right. We know that there's a lot of them I just mean like what what where do the robots factor in what what fights do they go and have? I don't know. Is he pour them all into the tv a building or something? Yeah, where'd they come from? Why do they listen to them? Are they on board? Who knows who they are?  I mean, she was wondering why she's even speaking. Yeah Because she goes to rebellions. I wait. I thought you got to do the speaks like no you do it It's like no, that's a horrible idea She says he's not invincible. I know it might feel like it's too late Like all we do is lose but the family I've lost taught me to keep fighting and if they were here They would too. We need to look out for the little guy. My dad taught me that What everyone said who are you? Yeah, what what is what's happening? Who said weird big lady?   It's like, oh I don't care. This might be a trap like hey, look me alone That's like we need to look out for the little guy. Who?  No That'll be amazing. They get encouraged by her and start a revolution Like I said, I have no idea why it even looks like she dies on that recording It does Okay, I guess all these uh holograms that there's like multiple machines all over the quantum realm You know what I mean? No, yeah to project to project because the projector because We see it in different places and first I thought oh, he's just that big so you can see it from afar But we see them approaching The base with the tv's you know somewhere else. I mean, yeah Broadcasted on channel one or whatever All made sense everyone was watching showed a bunch of characters we met throughout. It was great I guess Would have been nice to have known what bill murray would have thought and maybe he would have been joining them in the revolution Or something because maybe maybe he said yeah, if you can save my you know daughter or whatever But nobody cared to find out they just had him get thrown away by an alien He hit his camp cameo. Let's go away. He got paid. He got paid for his Two minutes of the film. He's an old man. He's tired now. He picked up his paycheck.  Who knows Uh, because when people needed help he didn't look the other way and neither do we come to the tower fight back I know you've been waiting now is the time he can't take all of us I'm telling you man.    Instead of just giving up. What was that about? It's their first day Yeah, I mean the whole movie doesn't really happen if they Oh We keep running into that problem Um, oh, yeah, did you remember as well? He's chasing her and and he's like cornered her sort of and she said He says your dad's not here cassie, but I guess that's not a big surprise Like damn dude.  It's really big save the day and he he shouts. He says kang Yeah, we had a deal It's not your movie trope isn't it to scream the bad guy's name Yeah Point and he goes you took my daughter. You lied to me. Our word is our bond without that we're nothing Very it feels like a speech that doesn't belong in this movie Yeah So I guess we made a big deal out of their their deal even though that was the course of like 10 minutes of the movie Yeah, I was barely even a deal at all. It was a big deal to scott. Okay I don't know if it's just me, but I didn't find uh Paul Rudd's angry. No, it sounds fun performance. Yeah, it didn't really work. I can't imagine him angry No, he's just too chill and nice He tried it with the whole like never like don't touch my daughter again. That's just like Yeah, I have to do a few more takes Yeah, um, I think a good a good director could probably get him there, but this one did not So mutely next surely kang just approaches scott Oh, we got someone else to go first someone else.  Okay, that'd be crazy And um, and then scott would have to you know put aside how much he wants to be there for his daughter to Protect the world from this this guy Which I feel is like a more meaningful choice in line with who he is It feels like oh, that's that sounds like a story. Yeah Yeah, where'd that go? And it's like what did happen?  I don't know Uh, because the choice came down to I will kill your daughter unless you fetch me a quest item. No No, you will though. Yeah, I will Okay Yeah, I will both It makes me think like oh, I kind of want to see the original like all the raw Footage for the whole film, you know, how much why did that get changed did kevin see that and go?   He's back. I just the best food arrived. What do you want? Uh, you were saying I have completed my thing that I want to say so now it's your turn, I guess Oh, I said so surely kang now just leaves his his little pod goes to scott and kills him immediately, right? Oh, yeah vaporization laser. He could probably even snipe him from the tower to be like, oh, yeah Bro doesn't need to go there. He just goes like and then he went right Yeah, considering that we're told he like destroys entire timelines like yeah powerful must you be if you can destroy entire Timelines bear in mind that spider man and iron man and war machine took down ant man Like it they took him down It was kind of hard, but like, you know, well, yeah I don't say it's hard because they didn't want to use lethal.  The big choppy laser from Iron Man 2.  Yeah very effective Um, selectively might even say it's like his best weapon. I guess Yeah, he uses it. He uses it for maybe He uses it for several characters. We do not know the names of Yeah, all this if you don't have a name Oh, you're getting lazy Oh, yeah, that's how it works in a Marvel movie. If you don't have a name Good luck. If you don't have a face, you're done. You're finished That's why they keep taking the helmets off Yes, you can stay alive Yes, I'm famous. Okay, it's like, ah, you are famous. That's okay Uh The there's a there's a moment around here.  She's trying to run with a tiny body It just spins around in circles Like Gandalf on the floor Um So, um This is kind of what I was talking about earlier about Sort of seal it off here. What does it mean for abad to be big here? I don't know because he's very small You know when he goes big in our universe relative to his normal size. He's like much slower Uh The mass is all extended and so it's like controlling this this unyieldy thing Meanwhile when he's a slow, uh, you can assume maybe that things are running quicker and it's like It's like something that they imply as a sort of rule, I guess You've got less inertia So Like so you could move around quicker when you're smaller but when you're big you got to move around all that Extra mass is you know got more energy to it and he has that same big person inertia when he's Like smaller than oxygen particles Yeah Why?  Yeah, the smallest. He's ever been Is it just relative to where he is? Well, that's clearly what they that's what I'm saying though is the from what we've seen before that's not how it works Fair don't don't pick about it because uh Big him in our world versus big him in small world Is mightily different in terms of his like pov and biology and yet he's moving as slowly in both I don't understand relative to gravity Relative to gravity, but gravity would be the same Wouldn't it I don't even I sometimes I don't see why I understand this Yeah, I don't think gravity would be any different in the quantum realm, right? Unless the way that I don't know I would assume so the way it's shown It's exactly the same, you know in the way people human beings run around. It's it's all the exact same Anyway, uh he So like yeah, he's there and Kang is like all right send the things after him And it's like they launch a whole bunch of like ships like just just flying ones that shoot stuff And for some reason as it always seems to work they shoot stuff at him And he just like holds up his arm or whatever and like they just don't do anything Like his suit is like john wick arm or whatever Now he he can just he can soak that up now because he's bigger Which yeah, it's just like what? And why wouldn't normal Kang is losing like weird future tech Yeah established that he has like crazy established powers Centuries ahead of ours Centuries ahead of something.  That's like going from the game boy to the switch Whoa, whoa centuries in between them hard to believe I can remember them, but yeah, I know it's insane. Whoa That game wasp Space age So those those all the ships coming because we're in like a fun action scene He's like, okay, here we go and wasp is on his shoulder as normal size and she's like keep going scott I got him and then she like fires her thing at one of them and says, yeah, come on It's like, oh, wow. Look at this action scene. Yeah Literally, right? I was using the word correct literally 15 seconds later She then says scott. I can't hold them Right.  Not gonna lie.  Oh, it's really weird. It feels like it's all just chopped together Um, yeah, and I don't understand they had it's like I meant to have a joke there or something, but there was no joke Like I said, if you play it correctly in another like a more parody movie, it could be a pretty good joke I think you'll find jokes like that even in stuff like stalwart's I'm trying to think of a reference where it's like, I got him and it's like, I don't got him like that I mean the joke in endgame you remember when spider-man's fighting the space dogs and he's got the gauntlet He's like, yeah, I got this. I got this. I don't got this. Like it's just immediately apparently Can't do it but in this like I said if you watch it, it's it's like two different action scenes Chopped together and they didn't realize that she had said those two different things in those two scenes That was an indiana jones joke right where he runs out with the sword and then there's a whole bunch of them And then he runs back. That's a that's a more subtle one. That's a more subtle one Not quite what we're going for the spider-man one is pretty much What I was thinking about I don't know if there's ever been another one like that in the mcu before Oh Is there a bit like that in the mummy Rags you've seen that recently I did see the mummy recently and uh Yeah, I saw that recently. All right All right, where are we So, yeah, uh, there's like 50 of those ships and they're all shooting at scott and it's not doing anything to him No, why He big that's a lot of that's a lot though, you know, that's a lot, you know It's big But if you considered that he big well in any case he's fine because the army of living buildings and random creatures from the quantum realm All arrive right now at this very moment all together. They all just came together exactly the same time That's that's how that works. You know, they didn't have any problem getting together and getting the ships together in their respective areas of the world where all of them were under like robot control if you remember there's like all robot sentries everywhere and It's fine. They've broken through all of those and they all arrived. I love someone said living buildings. What it's like We have to re-explain everything it's so horrible Uh So they just arrive and they start winning it's great. It's so great But then drama they can only get so far because a bridge has been taken away It's like rolled back and I immediately was like, didn't you you're you're on ships The bridge thing what's happening and it's like Well, because they got off their ships and then they there was a bridge that got taken away. It's like, oh get get back on your ships There you go.  It's very funny Why is mind reader man there? I guess he he has been captured as well in the first scene and they got got them out of prison Did they they did they show this? They didn't show this but they said they said it's like Oh, we need to get to the comms and also get everyone out of the prisons that can fight I know that because we definitely saw them releasing people. I'm willing to believe there was more than that But I thought he got out in the uh In the opening battle. I didn't realize he got captured Well, see I thought the the flare person got captured, but he comes on the ship. So yeah, I don't know Yeah, I don't know he's there and they did and someone just said wait you read a robot's mind. It's like I don't know man I guess it's not a robot. Is it not a robot? I don't know Oh Also rebellion lady jumps into frame from like from the top But when they see the white shot, there's not nothing remotely close She could jump off without dying. Why wouldn't kang have conscripted and captured telepath man? That's like the most powerful thing ever and it's like, oh Let's yeah, let's get yeah Yeah, that's pretty true Also, you probably want to control the only source of communication ooze That that seems like something you'd want I can assume only assume that there are entire Concentration camps and that are just full of mining the communication ooze And that's it loads of abs I can Can only assume right? That's what makes sense, right, right, right So anyway anyway The um the bridge is open back up and they all run across it and it's so exciting It's like can they truly defeat kang? I certainly hope so They shout and like burn it down stuff. It's kind of funny So Like I said, it's it's all just everything there's so many questions about how any of this would ever work But it just it's all just like this is what's happening now. So shut up Yeah, you never really I don't feel like you really ever get the impression that these are people fighting back against some sort of A tyrannical government or anything like that, which is what I guess they're going for Yeah They're just like I don't know there's some people and they were in a war with kang I guess and they lost or he's trying to I don't know Like why does he even care so much to fight against these people if all he needs is the The the engine thingy like why not like why bother because with this infinitesimally small Little teensy weensy civilization is compared to the entirety of the timeline. You're trying to erase or whatever Why do you care? I don't know. I don't know Ridiculous and uh, we get our patented very much Marvel TM joke In this moment We get a Goopy web man runs and you get shot loads of times and then he's like I have holes now And and they all turn into one big hole and he sucks up all the The droid men and they all disappear into his mouth And then the rest of the people are like, yeah Oh, well, sorry just before that this this is the marvel joke It like zooms right into telepath man and he says I didn't know he could do that Yeah It's really funny guys. It's that it's that that's like crystallized for me. That's like the number one representation of modern marvel humor that that moment It's such a like You don't have a joke to tell you just you just want to be like ain't that funny His thing was holes and now he has holes That I think is funnier Like without him being like I didn't know he could do that Yeah, it's very much a that just happened kind of joke It's it's exactly that and it's funny because I don't think there's an example of that just happened in the mcu as a joke Right, I don't think that's an actual quote But this is the closest we've gotten to it and it's years after everyone's been saying that just happened as the example of a bad mcu joke That's such a that's poisoned phrase now. It's it's just don't put it in anything now. It needs time It's time away needs to be put into the vaults for a while before we bust it back out I think that it's it's evidence of uh Desperation almost what you're just like you've told you joke You're like, do you think do you think people know that they know to laugh? Do they know that that's funny? I mean, maybe we should have a character point it out. I don't know That's the that's the mark of good comedy is the feeling the need to have characters pointed out for the sake of the audience You know, I think that's what makes good comedy There's so much bad comedy in this movie Uh, yeah, I think yeah the two times I Think now. I think there were three things not where I laughed before I get there three parts where I was like And one of the hans was at it was the old guy calling him spider-man And I think that was just because of like his accent was just it just was like, um Something charming about that joke Yeah, uh the other one was When the ooze man Uh Asked did you drink my ooze or something? That was just weird and I was like, huh at that Of course the him thinking about how many holes he had and that and that was it. Yeah, this is an incredibly funny Incredibly, uh unfunny movie that was trying to be funny um I mean, it's kind of like Thor 11 thunder. I think it's still the king of trying to be funny, but not being funny at all Probably because that one was trying to do it so consistently. This one was doing it pretty consistently but like What is the ratio of of um, you know Like hit and miss like how how many misses can you have as a ratio before You're in really bad territory as a comedy. What do you reckon? Maybe it's maybe it's not necessarily is it is it hit and miss based on the amount of jokes? Or do you think that the time Is going to be a big factor in that like if you tell Two, if you tell two jokes a minute and every fourth joke hits, you know, you're making people laugh about every You know, I I think the problem is that like people generally have an awareness of like jokes So when they notice that jokes are happening and they're not laughing I feel like people sort of sort of clock that Like if I were to think about If we're talking like really high up in terms of ratio of like of uh, you know swings and then hits We're talking like classic simpsons like monty python like hot fuzz Where you've got like 10 jokes a minute and like nine or 10 of them are hits Or at the very least even if you don't laugh you appreciate it for like how intelligent it was as a joke And then that's like on the higher end and on the lower end you've got stuff like Thor Love and Thunder Where it's like, yeah, they're trying to make like 10 jokes a minute And often it's like none of them hit maybe one of them hits Yeah, I guess I'm just trying to figure out where the line is where it's yeah, I think if you have bad If you have two movies that both have like a like a 25 hit ratio But one is taking way more swings that one would be way more obnoxious You know because you're just spending more time not laughing at something. It's supposed to be funny Regardless of the ratio Yeah, that's that's what i'm thinking I uh I can't think of an example to see how I would feel about that Well, like what yeah like a film because because the extremes are easy It's it's the middle part where it starts to get more complicated Like if you think about a A pretty regular Do you guys ever see the other guys have you you heard of that? Yeah, I've seen it But it was so long ago. I can't remember much about it.  Yeah That's a really really good joke because that film is is swinging a lot and it has some misses for sure But then it's got a couple of really really funny jokes like that one How much is one really good joke worth? Um one really good joke excuse like six or seven misses I feel like it does I think it does too. Yeah, especially if they're even just like decently spread apart in terms of time in terms of laughs per minute I think that a really good hit makes up for a lot of mess and misses I guess I isn't it interesting to think about um one of the problems that I have with uh You you take something like uh like a big bang theory, right? Where like every second or third line is a joke You often don't get any time at all to have like a scene where it's just people talking and it's advancing character strictly Like it's it's almost as if the shows are pretty insecure. They need to have like a joke every third or fourth line Otherwise, you're not like a funny show Meanwhile, I look at faulty towers, which is kind of similar like most of the time people are saying things that are really funny And it's like well, what's the difference then and I guess it is just as simple as the writing is better in faulty towers Like you're actually laughing because people are saying something funny every three to four lines compared to You know, like uh, I guess you could say more like generic american sitcom And money goes to go ahead Oh Oh When I think about a A show that is consistently amusing But never rarely makes me laugh out loud. I think of mystery science theater 3000 Where I'm constantly paying attention because I'm I'm very often amused by a lot of the jokes But it's it's a it's about more consistent It's the average is decently high But it never really gets to the like laugh out loud This is funny, but not ha ha funny. It's yeah, it's like I'm always smiling Uh oftentimes I you know sensible chuckle But but it's I guess uh consistent I'm I uh, I can certainly value I I really like laughing though like uh, when when something can get me to laugh That's that's like really really, yeah, right?  What's the plan guy just getting up and screaming And then you have the joke of every time The little presentation where it's like showing what's gonna happen with the comet It's like flying a little crew drawing a springfield flies towards it hits it and it singles out mo's bar With an arrow pointing to it Yeah, which by the way is a joke on its own But the thing is all of normal people would see that as we're like, huh Quizz is kind of funny, but mo takes it super seriously And then you have the next part where they have like they have a little uh set that they made This is where you talk about the layers of a joke They have a set to demonstrate what they're gonna do to like stop the comet And it's like as the comet is huddling towards the city our rocket will intercept it and blow it to smithereens Why it blows up and then the flame specifically flies over to mo's bar And he's like, oh dear god. No exact same reaction. What are the layers of the joke there? It's like first of all, it's the same reaction, which is funny Um, it's it's the fact that it hits mo's bar again It's really funny. The fact that there is a little prop in there that is signaled as mo's bar Yeah, it's like there's a lot of black buildings around it And that is she says mo's and then it's like the fact that the flame basically like flew out of its way to hit the top No matter what happens when it's bar is doomed It's like it's five jokes in one and that's really really Like they had to have worked really hard for that one There's no way that that was something that they came up with the first time around Yeah, and the and the hard of revising just like with drama. These are a lot of first draft jokes that are in the scripts and uh Some of them are like insecure. Like I said, I I think that's what the the I didn't know He could do that thing is that's just the right of being like I better make sure I signal that that was funny Or that the characters are with you on that one, you know, haha. We're all here We're all having a level of confidence Yeah, it's it's one that we'll keep coming back to but the joke in black out it goes forth where it's like If we if we if we uh happen to trip on a landmine What do we do and it takes like the audience a second to like realize that the joke has just happened It's like there's a moment of silence and then everybody is like, holy shit. Like what? Like what is he just said that's hilarious Yes, and it's like having a level of confidence that your your audience is going to figure it out And even if they don't figure it out. Well, it's tough, right? If the joke is good Then even if everybody doesn't get it, that's fine Almost like double dipping to This particular joke doesn't actually make a lot of sense to me either he gets shot a bunch and he's surprised or He's not expecting to it's like, oh my god I'm full of holes and then he has this power It's like, did he know that he had that power? I'm so confused by that joke He didn't nobody knew that was a thing. It just happened and it's so funny because it's absurd It's very again. I would say that that feels like it has rick and morty dna that joke Yeah A lot of the rick and morty reject kind of joke. Yeah, the whole film is very Uh, sort of what everyone hates about rick and morty. I think a lot of it Delving into the lulso random Uh humor penguin of doom. Am I right guys? Anyone anyone penguin of doom? I don't remember that bringy penguin of doom I don't actually apple opinions bring it penguin of doom Anyone please save me. All right chat. Help me out penguin of doom. You know the reference swear to god I feel like the oldest person here most of the time. It's an older meme sir, but it checks out. Yeah I'm gonna do me. It holds up spork. Yep. That's the one. It's like this post online From I think it was like a girl who was trying to be like looking for friends But the problem is I got to find people who are as random as me holds up sport And then the account name was penguin of doom. Uh, she was who's so random You know, she would just in the middle of sentences be like hi. I'm holding up my spork now. It's like, ah, that's so Lol xd. Yes So random so random old man Well, so anyway, I guess we could uh, we could carry on with the the wonderful story of the antlers in In the quantum of it. It was nice to reminisce about those things that made us laugh Let's talk about whatever this is mania, yeah So, uh, kang turns on the shields in his little capital town center city center place. I don't I don't know and uh They showed janet like noticing How it all works in there and it just reminds me it's like why is she still alive? What are you doing? He's just chilling leave her alone. She's gonna cause problems, but it's fine. It's fine And the guns turn on and they start firing at ant man And of course he takes a few hits and it does nothing and then he just picks up like a building and uses it as a shield It's like, okay, like captain america. Whoo. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah That's a neat Um Oh, that's that's when the big modoc scene comes up. So with everything we've told you guys You must be thinking like it's so cool to see all the pieces come together You know, you know, we're modoc's arcs head and in the same way that you can kind of see the pieces coming together about thor in thor I was supposed to say kratos ragnarok.  I hope this works And puts a groovy thing in her I guess suit wrist part of this suit and she grows real big and punches him in the face It's kind of weird because it's like you could have just shrunk You'd be fine He also just could have shot her a billion times before this he also could have shot But but like she escapes him many times just by shrinking It's like why can't you just do that again? And then she's like saying i hope this works So was there a chance that that was just gonna tear you limb from limb I thought they cracked it by now. Why is it that her suit like later generation doesn't have it built in Why does it have to be an experiment for that too? They want it to be like, oh, this is her first time doing it. So like it's risky, but it's not risky It's risky, but it's not at all And yeah, and she just beats him and she just punches him and then he's like I still got you and fires one of his things and she just grabs it and throws him around until he's He's like covered in blood and beaten and just just on the ground be like Then she's like, okay. Bye. It's just like what Okay, then that's that but then he's like hey Oh, yeah, where do you think you're going? Let's go. You think this is over. Come on. Let's go And then she just like walks back. She's like darren stop Just just stop trying to be whatever this is It's like wait, what is happening now? And then he's like The camera just fixes on him.   Look at me.  Yeah So I was like, what? Modak fans. Sorry Sorry I don't even like I think everyone all over the world is like, what is happening? What are we doing?  I just don't know what's happening anymore Was he not cartoonishly evil? Was all that was going to change him? So I would say you don't have to do what you're doing. Really? That was it Oh, I guess he didn't really want to do any of this. He didn't want to stop the multibersion I really wanted to disintegrate Scott when he said I'm going to disintegrate you He's just meming Well, all those times he almost killed so well, he did kill so many people in this movie, too I don't know. I don't know. I don't understand. I don't get it.  And I just for a split like like nano a quantum second.  Yeah We're not we're not quite there. God. I hate that scene so much Yeah, it makes me kind of angry.     I don't know how that would work. I guess it would work Would it work? I don't know I don't know. He just kind of crashed into it and then it everything breaks I was just thinking to myself like surely artillery would be much more much more effective than a guy running into it and I know he's big but I don't know whatever that that's the thing that breaks the shield fine. We did it um And then I think jaddett is like it's over and the cat goes it's never over or something I think he says like that's the one thing you don't understand and it's just like Gosh, he's so generic. It's not fair. You could have been something Um You could have tried It actually makes me wonder though, how are they going to be able to get rid of kang once this arc is over? These phases are over.  Well, okay fine.  It's like, okay Makes a little more sense before we go for the people that matter though instead of the randies We're just we're just killing people now randies. It's like, okay while screaming. He's like Mom This is one really funny part That just made me chuckle because the way he did it there's like this one part where he just kind of sidesteps And there's like a pew pew pew pew and he feels like yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah And I don't know why he did that. It's so weird. He goes like He's just channeling a special move So anyway, janet is being moved by some gods So obviously she escapes just like everyone else does in this movie whenever that's happening Constantly the guards are so useless They're gonna die. They're there to die. Yep. That's the only reason they exist uh and and then uh Trihard's friend laser face he gets killed. It's very sad I don't know not laser face that guy died He got his laser redirected back into his face and it killed him. I guess I don't handle that we're a loser Isn't he the only one who dies? Well, he's one of the character who dies, of course He's not quite dead yet. I wouldn't want to spoil it for chat who that character is It's a tragic one So yeah, you got the the He's he's vaporizing and then everyone's running away. Tryhard lady has to get pulled away like hold me back style She's like brah. I'm gonna get you. Okay. There's like other people like no We can't do it. And I was just sitting there. It's like just laser laser laser laser They're small.  It's like well, how would they do that? He beat them last time by flicking his finger Uh, he can't do that this time No, he it's a cool down. Yeah, and he can't use his laser today vapor laser.  Do you know how many rebellions I've put down how many avengers I've killed you You talk to ants It's like The ants are really powerful Yeah, not only that but like you know, I mean he goes small and he could go big and that like it may seem like a meme But it's really really good powers like they're really useful. They can do all kinds of things Oh, yeah, I guess, you know, you as mr. I control everything everywhere and stuff.    It's so wonderful. Here they come.  They kill everybody and it's great and everyone's really happy the ants did it Hooray We won. It's kind of like the the ghost army in in Lord of the Rings. We're just like Man, we should have just had you. She was just you just over everything Um, and then it makes you wonder timing wise, which Lord of the Rings actually addresses this doesn't though Why didn't the ants just do their thing? Why the whole time? Yeah, I think it had me thinking that the whole it's all tied to Hank they like since tank was in danger or something or We're looking for him or he's their god or something and they they were constantly trying to find I don't know That's the only way that I could try and even begin to rationalize it I think they'd stay in contact with him throughout the tens of thousands of years They couldn't they didn't develop the technology to do that So you're saying it was right when they developed the technology that they were also at the third act of the movie No, they'd had that technology for a long long long time. They just now were able to find them Oh, so that's the same thing just they've already now able the fact they could find him at all seems really Well, but does that even make sense? They were contacting him really early on in the movie Remember, that's right. They were detecting the So they were sending out a signal to him Constantly, I guess and then they found him when he crashed his spaceship because of modoc Maybe they didn't know how it I don't know. Maybe they couldn't speak human. You don't know. How do you not know? It's not clear. They could have done it, but they didn't they didn't drink the ooze It's kind of like Lord of the Rings. What does this movie done to you more that look? There's actors in Lord of the Rings. That's another similarity. So there you go They drink water in the Lord of the Rings will probably they do that here. Maybe it's just nano water or something Nano water Yeah So Well, so funny that only addresses one half of the question I was kind of asking there rags The other half was what took them so long since they made the plan Yeah, it's just wondered why they don't just all approach at once Oh, I don't know You don't know No The ant the ways of the ants are a mystery to me. They are far beyond man and the wasp Quantumania encyclopedia rags, so if you know my ant lore master and the lore master for the ants the cyborg ants or whatever they are now They don't know I don't think anyone does I cert the writers certainly don't The writers was like wouldn't it be funny if the ants showed back up? I can because you know ants The answer here at noise one moment. I shall return. I just wanted to inspect something I think it bears repeating that the ants literally saved the day And that they would have all died if it weren't for these plot device ants. Yep.  Uh, it's incredible It's it's I think it's the thing that as you watch in the film and it's all happening You can just sort of gloss by and go. Yeah, I mean that's probably silly or whatever or you know Maybe The day the saves the well the wallet I have or I would have lost I think it's safe to say they would have lost probably It seemed almost certain that they would have lost. Yeah, I mean with their level of technology. Yeah Well, I guess you're also to accept that the the ants technology is so much better than kanks now as well I guess I guess that's what they're doing because the thing is we haven't even I don't think we addressed that But kank just goes into defense mode immediately. He doesn't even try to fight back He just puts up his shield Immediately. Can he not fly does he just have to walk? Can he can can fly? I can at least make these little Little platforms he can stand on he floated around on those a little bit earlier in the movie True I guess it's just like surely he can fly right? He's got his super duper suit. Does it let him fly around the place? I don't know Wait a second. How did how did hank know that they were a type two technocratic civilization? How could ants like if they're so tiny then what does it even mean to harness the power of a sun at that point? How could you do that if you're that tiny? Oh, I get you like on what basis is he using To assess because yeah type two as I understand it is you've harness the power of your solar system Would it even be possible for a civilization that is there even a sun down here? Yeah, maybe he'd be able to figure out uh, maybe he maybe I don't know Maybe he's super smart. So you probably figured out a way to try and adapt that system Like Harness the energy of a light bulb or something Because yeah, it's uh, I'm just the wikipedia. Yeah, that's yeah type two is a civilization capable of harnessing The energy radiator by its own large star So it would be like if the ants had built the equivalent of a Dyson sphere Yeah But around what? Maybe one of those loadings sun looking things as well if there were type two civilization like that Maybe they would have been able to figure out how to get out of the quantum room, right? Yeah, probably like if you had the well, let's put it this way because cassey did and cassey could have had to get down here Well, it's just uh The thing is though Earth humans in like what the 60s or 70s with hank Create like the pimp particle in the 70s with 70s technology Which even in the mcu is kind of like advanced but still They created the means to grow and shrink and basically potentially travel to the quantum realm unwittingly Meanwhile 50 years later and then these ants get to go in and they already had cool technology And then thousands of years to develop their new civilization develop no means of leaving the quantum realm Presumably is that just like the one barrier that's impossible to get past?  Yeah But yeah, and I'm gonna repeat it one more time because I I'm stuck on it The entire multiverse would have been destroyed if it weren't for ants happening to go through a time dilation field and Turning and then showing up just in time. Yes To overpower Kang This kind of writing I don't even know what it looks like when you're in the writer's room figuring this out Like what is this process? How long do you think that they spent working on the script for this film? Not enough Well during production of the movie they were probably constantly rewriting it because that's how they make movies I mean it probably was like we hit we have our beats And they do hear they do this there's a battle scene or whatever they meet Kang cut stuff And then once they have that all lined up They just start making the movie and then I feel like the actual words and stuff that are involved Yeah, we'll just fill this in the conversations whatever we know what we're gonna accomplish So we'll just fill it in later. Don't forget Yeah, they definitely dramatically change it as they go to Yeah, of course I think uh, what is it the the new captain america movie that's gonna come out? They're already in production now They're already in production and they just fired the old writers And the new writers haven't haven't given their new script yet, but they've already started filming No, come on. No, I'm serious. I I know I know people that are working on that movie Dude You can't make movies like this Watch them bring watch But I hate it Dirty records they could set now the box office drop off ones that like watch us We're gonna get the best records on that one Yeah, because I think the original writers were the people who did falcon in the winter soldier and then now got new writers But they're they're either starting filming Shortly, they already have and they don't have a new script yet No, apparently according to wikipedia the the writers are the same people who did falcon winter soldier captain. Yeah, like that's the same writers Oh Not according to the people I know working on it, but Okay. Oh, well then. Yeah, who knows Well, I mean IMDBM wikipedia are often behind the uh, yeah, that's for realities Fucking thing with like test test is the actress for tests How many episodes she appears in has changed so many times on IMDb is kind of funny for the last of the show Um But yeah, the the ants start just winning. They're just they're just dominating man They're just taking out everything nothing can do anything and all of the the good guys so to speak are like, yeah ants And you know, you're talking about the insane contrivance But it's like I think they really did want to have an ant payoff though They they have to in the ant man movie, right? Like otherwise like and I think that's enough to make people forget about watch it why this happened It's absolute insanity, but it's like, yeah, but just ants ant man ants And it was set up because he said you just talked to ants Like see see set up Which by the way If you're gonna make fun of like reduce ant man's power down to a gimmicky thing He'd be like you you go small. That's probably what you say. You wouldn't say you talk to ants It's like rarely does that even come up for the heroes or the villains that he does that Listen like the first movie briefly but compared to him going small and big which is something he does all the time So may uh, yeah, it's not the best insult Maybe he was just like on his feet.   Hell three Jen Like I guess so swords for fingers You could also say that Yeah, so the ants all swarm over him and as metal mentioned he pulls up a shield and uh I guess we never see him do any kind of flight. So yeah, I guess I guess he can't Yeah, the only thing I've seen him do You know portals though Yes, he has portals. Yeah, but and he has like he can apparently make like little little floaty platforms I think he flows around. Oh, yeah. Okay. So that too, but yeah the portal thing is just that's that's it You just open a portal jump in close it and if two or three ants come through you just laser them Yeah, done and then you open a portal back and enter in a safer area.    What does he think about this situation with the multiverse and timelines and what does he have to say about all the people he's killed? Yeah, does he have anything to like ant Even you know I don't know And before we'll get back to kang and his situation with him. We'll just uh, we'll do the What he just did modoc is gonna kill him.  And he's like probably not like all right one joke already. Okay And then you have darin and he's like hi hope you changed your hair And then she's like what happened and scott's like yeah, it's it's a big thing. It's a whole thing.  All right Then he coughs up a load more blood and everyone's like Yeah, like grows out and it's like what what what is happening?  Just fyi if someone's dying in front of you because they just saved the multiverse um Probably to be quiet Yeah, and uh, I feel like that bears repeating. Um, modoc saved the multiverse. Yeah You just watch it.  He just made there.  Yeah Yeah, probably uh There's my remembering, uh, that's probably the first time Cassie sees someone die up close at least Probably maybe even the first time I've seen someone die in general Darren means something to hope too and uh and hank. He's not some random person Yeah, the mentor event. It was just mentor, right? NT. I guess you'd say student But also like we'll use a friend to hope before he went and saying Whether or not they have x they have feelings for this person is what I'm saying They care about the fact that he's gonna be a libel dead and the fact that he just saved them all It means something but uh, it's funny funny funny and um Yeah, just really awkward as an experience and just exactly expected in these films. They keep doing this Uh, they don't know they don't know how to deal with tone. It's weird How consistent that is when they have different writers and directors Mm-hmm, and you're like they consistently screw it up. Yeah the marvel blender They all get put into and then they end up with all the same problems Yeah And they just basically move on with a well that just happens pretty much. Yeah Yeah, because you're right. He says a lot has happened today a lot has happened today and then it just Yeah, which again, it was really awkward when it's like modoc save the multiverse and he's there coughing up blood You know like which is gross How gross and then it's like, uh, yeah, buddy. Like yeah, you really did it It's like he did more than you like he saved the multiverse right now So wait because there's just as some people made uh suggestions and it's just like yeah You could have had the scene That it's um, they're all like immediately dealing with kang or something and it's maybe just hank walks over to him and says We're not gonna forget what you've done today. You understand Meaningful of those two had a moment because of their history. Oh, yeah, and then he says like i'm sorry I only ever wanted like to work together. You know that sort of thing I know that modoc is a clown But that doesn't mean that you have to like forego opportunities to maybe do something with the character Especially if you have him save the multiverse. I'm just gonna keep repeating that because that's what he did Like I know he's a stupid clown character, but that's what happened and darin was a person He was a person. Yeah, yeah, he was a clown person too, but still Uh, so I guess we'll move on Janet just says to them like I could give us one shot back to the surface world.  I don't know what's going on anymore. I don't know why she's just like yep, open it up a portal We can get back like fine.     That was weird. He was right behind me Yeah, it's like you could just go back through Why you clearly something's wrong Do something and it's worse than just the fact that they seem to not recognize they could do something There are characters in there that would go back immediately cassie's one of them Hope's definitely one of them janet would probably be 5050. I don't know She maybe considered some stuff or whatever But to be honest with you probably would have been a neat payoff for hank to go back in and get him um Everyone was hoping they'd give hank a chance to suit up in this but no Everyone else gets I was so surprised that didn't happen Like they didn't give they didn't give us the the quadruple ants or ant man and was I was saying and you know what I mean ant man and girl and girl with wings and michael douglas. That's the team Yeah, there was there was the movie you wanted to probably Can do it and I don't think we're gonna get another chance. Well, he said if they bring him back He's hoping to die.  No, it would be the same because he popped up in endgame as cameo. So yeah, it would be the same I was just gonna say that this them not going back through the portal kind of undermines the initial scene when they Go in to help each other.  You're right. Yeah And this we're just like, ah, we're not doing that. It's like they just think he's tying his shoe and that's what's taking him Yeah, nothing to worry about guys. I'm sure it's fine. It's like, yeah, I'm sure it's fine Maybe you had to sneeze. I don't know looking for tissue. He just couldn't walk and sneeze at the same time Anyway back over to scott's end of things he was shot by kang a laser blast And I know I know chat you understand this so well that you're asking yourselves wait, wasn't he eaten to death by ants No, no, he wasn't shut up chat No, he wasn't for some reason What what the ants actually did was strip him of all of his technology Except for one more blast from his shoulder cannon and then left him alone. That's what they did Yeah, there's just ones like we did it but pack it up boys. We go home They didn't tell anybody about this like they didn't go by the way hang kang is crawling around where you guys are just just fyi our god, I guess I don't know. I don't know why they didn't just kill him eat him tear him apart, but no No He's fine and it's funny because when he shoots ant man It like they have this shot where he looks at his like little wrist blaster and it's like going Do and he's like no it broke and it's like only one shot Is it because if it was working you'd easily beat ant man? Yes Well, but the thing is you remove him of his powers and ant man easily wins right because ant man's way better than Like a neutral person. He got the power to shrink and grow.  Yeah So how can they even this fight? I don't know. Is it possible? Well, wait, sorry really quick was kang just a guy. He was he was just a guy Oh god.  Hey so, um He starts running for the portal good old kang. He's like brah.  Okay.  Those are useful.  We just both have to lose Oh, I hate that line quite a bit actually Yeah, does it make any sense at all? Yeah, and then he puts like, uh A combination of growth and shrink, uh discs on there Right. Yeah. Well, okay.  We both just have to lose It's like, oh you who wrote that shit, man What you're supposed to say is I don't have to win as long as you lose Yeah, that's the line way better. You gobbled it and said we both just have to lose It's like you don't have to scott. What do you mean? If you're scott if you're willing to sacrifice yourself to save the day, wouldn't that be a win? Exactly Phrasing it like a loss is Bad, which is not good writing. Well, I think The it was probably better suited to the original plotline being that he like gives up his chance to see Get those years back with his daughter. Maybe his daughter as a whole And kang has to give up the chance to or not give up but lose the chance to Like he said that would be how he's contextualizing his loss The thing is because they've changed it. It's just it just comes across really weird It's like I don't have to win.  I don't know what was happening with it Um, I think if they both lost kang wouldn't be able to get out, but the multiverse gets destroyed anyway I don't know how but I think that would be both of them losing uh So yeah, as mel was saying he attaches like the shrinky groeie whatever's into the engine and Wasps boops him onto it and he explodes and gets sucked into it. And that's the end of kang But not really apparently there's not any reason to think he's coming back because the mc sucks, but um Apparently the writer of this movie has reached the quote of quotes saying the reason they wanted him To lose that badly in that film is because you'll feel like in favor of him when we next see him Ah No, yeah A bit of a monsequitur, isn't it like I think he said something like you always feel like bad for another dog He always would have like Kang should have killed ant man. That's probably what should happen here Because then that makes him like a threatening villain if he just kills one the main hero in his own movie and they don't beat him Well, and how much better could it be too that they have the chance to escape They can't like like scott loses his chance to escape and loses his life to stop kang from getting to them So that it's back to quote unquote square one They know kang is down there. He wants to kill him. He did kill scott, but he's currently contained in the in the quantum realm They know this and they can now tell the avengers, you know, that would be That's actually building something Yeah, exactly You've established him as a significant threat that the characters are aware of and need to prepare for and Especially make him especially since when they first introduced Thanos, what do they have him do in infinity war?   That's right. Like, yeah By wasps little wrist blasters no not even close And it does they didn't want to do that because it would have been too sad, I guess Does stuff to audience it would have been a little bit too emotional for the audience. So probably That might well, yeah, that probably was a product of because it's pretty apparent that the ending was a reshoot Like it's very obvious Your portal just opens back up and yeah, oh, no, it's more so just that everybody looks different in the reshoots Like oh, yeah, like in the end. Yeah, I looked a little bit skinnier Evangeline Lily has a completely different haircut and like color It's just yeah, imagine he looks totally different imagine they would have but they said like we didn't know how we could Generate any sort of levity from it. So we decided not to it. It's like That was the actual reason. Yeah, I could believe it So that was fail he's gone now and then uh You think from oh well, we're watching the actual uh one of the final cuts before they made the big final change The idea being that hope came back to save scott and it cost them both being able to go back to The main world I think it's all but confirmed uh like as in I think it actually may have been confirmed now by one of the rise That was an original but um, it's okay Because it cuts to cassie pressing buttons And then it cuts over to hope and and ant man. They're just like let's go home Yeah, it's like Like oh cool when kang exploded on the engine that was hit with the micro and multi uh thing That was what I assumed was able to open up the portal in the first place So how can you open it up now?  I guess that could do it Yes, because a micro telescope was designed to interact with a multiversal like engine Machine like with technology that she'd never even knew existed I guess and just like that like in a in a few minutes It's not even an afternoon pretty smart girl Right, so it's true fringy. I think you forgot that she's they set it up. They did that's a set They set that up later by saying it earlier in the film. What check off smart girl. Yes If you say that a girl was smart in the first act, she's got to do something smart in the third act check off's daughter And so after all that right just think of everything we've told you precious precious chat after everything That's what he said and gone over you then see pull rod walking down the street and quote he says My life doesn't make much sense Yeah, no it does not no not even a little it used to Yeah, there was a time it kind of used to time where things were easier to understand There was there was a time where the weirdness was just sort of like the physics of the ant-man power But they were kind of like so okay like it like that was the weirdest thing And now it's just like multiple universes and millions of alternative variable use and I haven't listened to a wish. You've said I'm totally lost. Could you repeat all that? Just hit that old rewind. No, you'll get it.  Why are you here trying to like figure out what people think and why and try to make sense of the universe And then it doesn't make sense. It's it's chill. Let's go one of I think two of the last big frustrations this whole movie first quote Yeah, there's I used to wonder if this chapter of my life is over and he's talking about hero work by the way But as Cassie reminded me there's always someone you can help Okay, so there's statement one. What a statement was no, we're not doing too yet. We're focused on that implies That implies that at one point he believed that there was not people to help.  He like lost his interest in helping people for some reason and then Cassie got it back on board like, okay It's it's it's almost like a regress doesn't describe it properly. It's like in between films He changed completely Like he was just starts off as a totally different person with different values Well, it's still being part of the Avengers officially, by the way It doesn't exist anymore. I have no idea. Where are they? I almost feel like they reference it as a meme now to the audience like remember the avengers I don't think the avengers even exist, right? Because Tony was the one who was paying for all that and he didn't even pay for people's pension so How does that work with like does ant man he considers himself an avenger? and I mean rightfully so when he I don't know. Is there some element of before I go into the quantum realm? I need to Like do I need to tell like no, no the the accords don't even exist. Why would he tell the avengers anything? In case Like who would he call does he call captain marvel? Does he have her phone? Like hey carol. I'm just going into quantum stuff Like if there's any problems come back to earth and help me out How's this post shield on the road post like sword? But are they I I don't think sword. I don't even know because remember we talked about this I'm pretty sure we talked about it last stream that like a huge apparatus of the united states government just disappeared with no replacement Like when they all must have exchanged mobile numbers at tony's funeral, right? Please tell me they did Dude, where is everybody though at this point? I don't know Like what the strange is probably off in different universes captain I'm sure all these are happening exactly right next to each other like one to one like he calls strange And he's in the multiverse with america being like is he bro. Sorry Dude, who's available to like actually help with stuff on earth at this point I I don't it would be out of character for fury not to give them all a means by which they He's he's he's out in space, right? Yeah, so he would have given them a means in which to contact each other Yeah, he is remember they call him from earth to space and That's right, which don't even think about that. Shit.  They have a cap at the speed at which they can travel But don't don't worry. So anyway, that was the first of the two lines Second one line number three is uh camera camera tightens up on scott. He says wait We did beat kang, right? I mean, that's that's what happened. I think But he did also say something bad was coming and that everyone would die if he didn't get out Is is everyone gonna die because of me? Oh, oh god. What what have I done? What did I do and then it's like And then the music cuts out and he's like, you know, it's like I said life doesn't make any sense Stop overthinking it.  Man You know what that seems like the actual opposite of the lesson that you were supposed to learn in this film, which is There's always people to save like all of us.  It's like Wrote an extra line Well now we're left in a position where it's like so kang dynasties getting written by this guy and Great Michael Waldron by Michael Waldron But you emerged from rick and morty jeff lovnes the guy wrote this one wrote vat of acid And I don't know what I'm meant to even make of that anymore I don't know what I meant to do with that information. He wrote one of my favorite episodes of rick and morty That doesn't just look the thing it fucks him as a character too The first thing you would do is tell all the most powerful people you know Because when we first talked about this movie I think we both were essentially like yes Scott's got some problems, but like once the movie gets going He's all right. It's like nah This is what happens with these fucking movies guys like the more that you keep looking into it and just continues to unravel It's not like in a good movie Many of which we watch lately and lead up to the academy awards where it's like you can kind of um See how everything's being built up in in service of like some core theme or um in service of a central character And how like the little details feed into other little details in a way that's really coherent and impressive Here it's like the opposite Like as soon as you start thinking about it a little bit it begins to crumble This movie is really bad guys So which has to like I'll tell if that's an actual quote if you're like being pranked It's like no it's pretty much one for one says I'm pretty sure the whole world's about to be destroyed based on what he said But oh well the will doesn't make much sense Yeah, just don't worry about it Cool, bro. Okay That's that you know I bet we'll find out in future movies that he basically pulled the michelle pfeiffer or a janet and just didn't tell anyone about this Yeah, like it comes up in the middle of Comes up in the middle of an action scene or something where they're like it's kang and then he goes kang We fought kang and be like you did and he was like in the quantum realm Why didn't you tell anybody's like been a little busy while he shoots someone with a braggun? Whoa, that just happened I didn't know he could do that Whoa, they fly now Do you think that this problem stems from the fact that the writers don't get to talk to each other? And so like they can't even really start to think about where to position their characters going forward Instead of wondering are you Is it that they don't talk to each other or is it that they're literally not allowed to like Gets the rule Maybe it's just this element of there's just some some understood culture of writing when it comes to these movies that it just doesn't fucking matter Well, because you get in you get yours you maybe get to write another marvel movie and then that's probably gonna be it No, what none of this stuff feels to me like it was anyone's baby No, none of this feels like any of the writers or the people who created it Have any actual investment in any of this It's just it's just a job for them and then they move on and it doesn't matter Which is fascinating You'd think that especially if you're gonna get to write like an avengers movie that that would be so fucking cool That that would be like a really exciting opportunity not just from a career standpoint, but in terms of um That's like some wish fulfillment right there getting to write like a movie with all of these comic book characters That you remember as a kid that you loved And having them clash and you know like a level of oh man Look at all of the work that the writers did before me that they've now handed to me that I can move forward with But you're right This is just what i'm doing to pay the bills until I could maybe get a project that I actually care about You know probably get paid a lot of money for this It doesn't know that there's no care in this there's no like Maybe I think ant man and the lost consummonia has kind of highlighted it Maybe like the method that marvel you we've been saying this for a while at this point But like the method marvel uses to make movies seems pretty incompatible with just consistently delivering good stories It's um It doesn't as long as people seem to it makes it it's guaranteed to make a lot of money Or enough money And it's not even supposed like it's not even supposed to be really good So it doesn't even matter. It doesn't have to be great. No one really cares if it's great anymore. It's fine It's the fast food of movies.  We don't have to do anything special or care about it And it'll be fine and I'll get paid and I'll move on to my project because the mcu is the fast food of movies now And this is very much the fast food of movies Like I would I would imagine that you would have a better shot of like making something that would be cool If you went over to fucking DC like then you would hear. Oh, yeah, yeah Because at the very least they'd like give you a little bit more I I can't remember what stream it was on that we're talking about it that someone brought it up that um apparently tim Burton is never going to work with like Uh, disney ever again after dumbo. Oh, yeah, we talked about that on your stream with the deep lore. Yeah That's right. Yeah, um where he talked afterward about how It was like a really shitty experience because it was so micromanaged Like it was barely it was barely as if he was making his own film there And I was on like the disney remakes which aren't working on as condensed timelines and schedules and and like needing to come out at specific times Obviously, they need to come out specific times to make, you know money like depending on which month they're in But like not to the same extent as marvel needs to be tightly coordinated I can imagine that like whatever experience he had making that would be a hell of a lot harder Like in marvel and and more stifling Like where is the like how how does one actually meaningfully distinguish between like any of the films that we've had in phase four And this being the continuation of phase four Like what would you be pointing to immediately is like man? This is what like shang chi had that ant man didn't or vice versa I'm curious if they only get away with it things like shang chi black widow and um Uh, I was about to say the eternals is the one that I'm curious about So I have to see it before I can figure out which one it falls into but the idea that and some people already Highlighted that our top three or bottom three of the mcu A thaw film a doctor strange film in an ant man film when you look at it It's like doctor strange. It's all about crazy nonsense magic Or it's like crazy nonsense as guardian space like it's it's all Up in the air as to exactly how anything works and that that's all about a wish being granted Which is funny considering my favorite one of my favorite movies anyway of 2022 is all about a wish being granted But uh, and then you have uh ant man, which is like quantum quantum quantum quantum quantum And it's like well, I guess these films are you know, they didn't have a good start in terms of making sense And it's just like well that's what I'm saying. It's like surely black widow and shang chi films about like grounded uh People who just like a really good at fighting It's like no those two still scratched at that tier like I said It's a special tier the the one that belongs to those three But like right underneath that tier black widow is a part of it with captain marvel and some others where it's like The only reason they haven't joined them is because the universe doesn't crack into tiny tiny pieces as much Because you know, it's like well, how could they do that in black widow? And it's like yeah, they can't really the most the most damage they can do is to the world of earth What I mean is like they couldn't get much past the planet. It's like, uh, well, that's good But of course, yeah, doctor strange uh thorn and ant man are all like catastrophic in terms of world building And then they have all the same problems with um character building plot lines All the same shit All the tone Jesus christ love and thunder takes the cake for tone probably though, doesn't it? That is probably the most totally incoherent film. I've ever seen in my life. Yes. I think you're right I'm trying to think of what would give it like a run for its money Well, because balancing comedy and drama is really hard But when you do it well, I recently for the first time watched in bruge As like damn that film is like a really interesting and great blend of comedy and drama And it's like walking a tightrope, but when it yeah, it is one of the best examples Uh, so seven psychopaths had drama as well. That was like another one that I found really cool. It was I mean, that's what's so weird about both jojo and Thor love and thunder was directed by the same guy Yep But what is a project that he's probably passionate about? Yeah, one is one is like one of the best Balances of tone and the other was probably the worst and he did both of them But the thing is is that how can you meaningfully balance tone when you don't even know what your story is? And when you probably have mandates about needing to get lost I wouldn't be surprised if there are like mandates about you need to have a joke every two minutes Because these films like don't give you the extremes that that storytelling can provide you of extreme highs and lows Emotionally, it's all very flat It's um, it's never going to be too sad for too long No, I'm never going to be too anything for too long. Typically speaking yeah And then you end up with this sludge a very sludgy experience that nobody will remember I mean like who's going to be Who who in like a year is going to go man? I really want to rewatch ant man and the wasp Quantamania and the same way that people just occasionally go.  It'll be like Oh, it's phase five We're still in phase four. I had to ask I had to yeah, like continuing when we watched it. I asked is this phase five and Yeah, it was like because I didn't know what was the line It's arbitrary They just because nothing's changed about the way that they make their fucking movies And nothing will change like things seem to be slowing down now But when are we going to see the results of that in 2025 maybe like at the earliest And I think it's safe to say like as much as this isn't entirely accurate It's close enough that each of the phases were marked by avengers movies It felt like the borderline at least is highlighted in that way, but this time it was like Wakanda forever to ant man.  It was any could you watch those two movies without knowing what the mcu is and think that they're in the same universe? Well, why does that might as black Panther seem like ah, yes This is a logical conclusion to all of the plot threads that have been established in phase four It's like it kind of has nothing to do with anything else that happened in phase four No, I guess they'd be like what ant man was about kang.  I think Uh, 70 box office drop because what is the word of mouth on this movie? Who's going to be like man? You've got to see ant man in the worst quantum mania No one absolutely no one and related to that so This is the first uh, this is the first mcu movie I'd seen in the theater Since I believe end game So so when I was watching the movie and you know felt dead inside in the audience It felt pretty dead inside and then you know the credits roll and no one gets up to leave I'm like, oh right. I forgot that's a thing that we do in these movies We sit here everyone sits there everyone pulls out their phones and then as soon as the post credit scene starts I swear to god There was more energy and hype in the theater than at any point in the movie itself And I just wanted to die. I was like, oh my god They were just they like as soon as I think it's maybe the second Post credit scene that Loki shows up and the guy next to me went yes And I hadn't heard him make a single sound during the entire movie And I was like Jesus christ and then of course because we sat throu