Coming up on DTNs, is there anything TikTok can't do from real estate to dating? We talk TikTok with CNET's Aaron Carson, plus what Apple's new ad tracking system means for you. And how bad is the Google contact tracing fleet? This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, April 27th, 2021 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm Roger Chang, the show's producer. Joining us, staff reporter at CNET, Aaron Carson. Welcome back, Aaron. Thanks for having me. Thank you for having us talk through Roger's defeat of a rat in his extermination efforts on Good Day Internet. If you wanna know about the details of the Zoom Memorial we're planning, become a member and get Good Day Internet at patreon.com slash DTNs. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Amazon announced several new Fire HD 10 models all shipping on May 26th. The Fire HD 10 has a thinner design, three gigs of RAM, and a brighter 1080p screen for 150 bucks. The Fire HD 10 plus has four gigs of RAM, a soft touch finish, a wireless charging dock made by Anchor for Amazon, and sells for $180. Both tablets also come in productivity bundles that starts at $220 for things like a keyboard case and a one year subscription to Microsoft 365. The Fire Kids Pro tablet is available in seven inch versions for $100, an eight inch version for $140, and a 10 inch version for $200. All come with protective cases, built in kickstands, an open but filtered browser, parental approval based app downloads, and a year of Amazon's Kids Plus service. Great for the whole family, I guess. Ford announced Tuesday it's creating a new facility called Ion Park, I-O-N, Ion Park, that it calls its new global battery center of excellence. It'll be in Southeast Michigan. Ion Park will focus on battery technology, as you might have guessed, development for manufacturing, mining and recycling, have 150 employees once it's fully operational, which they expect in late 2022. It will operate in conjunction with Ford's new battery benchmarking and test laboratory, which is over in Allen Park, Michigan, that opened in 2020 to test new battery cell types. ARM announced the new versus V1 and new versus N2 platforms. The V1 is meant for high performance computing, machine learning and data centers. The N2 is the first design based on the ARM V9 architecture and meant for general computing with high performance per watt ratio. Alibaba Cloud and Tencent will use ARM based hardware for their cloud services, and Marvell will use the new versus V2 for its Oction networking solutions. Let's go back to some productivity devices. Dell announced the Latitude 7320 Detachable. It's a Windows laptop with a detachable keyboard and a kickstand. Everybody's got kickstands these days, running on Intel's 11th gen processors up to a core i7. Dell claims the included stylus can charge to 100% in 30 seconds and it lasts 90 minutes. So every 90 minutes, put it down for 30 seconds, you're good to go. Dell Latitude 7320 Detachable is available now, starting at $1,549. Intel and Microsoft announced a new method of protecting Windows machines from being hijacked by malware for cryptocurrency mining. Machines with Intel's hardware shield and threat detection technology enabled can use Microsoft Defender Endpoint to use the algorithm to analyze code. It can detect mining in a hypervisor, VM or hidden OS process, and neutralize or quarantine it. All right, today is the big day. Apple introducing the thing that makes all of advertising angry, iOS 14.5. It also lets you unlock your iPhone if you've got a mask on with your watch, but the big thing is Apple's app tracking transparency feature. This is the one Facebook took full page ads out against and has caused Google to create a new way of tracking people in large groups instead of individually that they call flocks. Remember that, FLOC. Apple announced app tracking transparency last June, almost a year ago, and delayed implementation until now to give developers some extra time to adapt. Without this new feature, the developer can track user data from within an app using Apple's identifier for advertisers or IDFA, as well as a third party tool. And the company could then combine that data with similar data from outside the app to build a profile. Users who knew this was going on could go and opt out in settings, but generally most people are unaware it's happening. App tracking transparency, the new feature leaves that entire tracking system in place. Nothing changes as far as what's capable. Developers can still use IDFA, can still use third party tools to build a profile of users, but this is the change they have to ask first. Tracking is no longer on by default, which required the user to go opt out before. Instead, if a developer wants to continue combining in-app data with other data from outside the company, they have to push a prompt. That prompt is standardized and says, allow app name, whatever the app's name is, to track your activity across other company's apps and websites. And then there's a second paragraph that makes it clear that the data will only be used for personalized marketing and advertising. So everything still works the same. You just have to say, yes, that's okay. You've asked me first. It's a forced opting. You can opt in or you can opt out. If you tap allow, nothing changes. The app keeps collecting the info, combining it with data from outside the company and improves ad targeting. What advertisers are worried about is that more people when asked are expected to tap ask app not to track, then would have gone and opted out in settings, which will reduce the number of people that they can target. Because if a customer chooses that option, the company is prohibited from combining in-app data with third-party data. They can still technically do it, but if they get caught, they get kicked out of the app store for a violation of policy. Now, a few things to note here. Apps can still combine data if they're owned by the same company. So Facebook can combine its data from Instagram with the Facebook app and WhatsApp, since it owns all three apps. And Apple is offering a tool called SK Ad Network that lets a company find out how many times its app was installed after an ad was seen in another app and how many times users clicked on an ad for their product with another app, but it doesn't give any personally identifying data. Also, developers who buy an ad from Apple on the app store can get some data faster and more detailed data, like which version of an ad was seen and what keywords it appeared on. If you want to turn off all of this at once and not deal with all the pop-ups, there is a setting under privacy called tracking that you can set to allow apps to request to track off. You can set that to off, then you won't have to answer any more of the pop-ups. You can also go in that same menu and grant permission to apps if you said no and then change your mind like, no, you know what I would like personalized ads from them. But that is what is going on. And I don't know, Erin, what do you think? Is this advertising reaction an overreaction or is it like, no, they're gonna get hurt by this? So one thing that was interesting is part of Facebook's stance in all this is that this is something that's really gonna hurt small businesses. And when it comes to some kind of like mom and pop shop that's trying to use targeted advertising and this is gonna be a blow to them, but Apple is out there saying that that's not really the case. And there was even some research, I think from the Harvard Business Review that was talking about how it's the, that reaction is gonna be a little bit overblown. And I think the reaction, even if it isn't overblown, maybe doesn't matter because the principle is, we're asking people, do they wanna be tracked or not? And the alternative is to assume they wanted to be tracked if they didn't know they were being tracked. And I don't think people in general who aren't in advertising would be okay with that when you put it that way, right? Right, I mean, that's certainly what it seems like. And again, part of this is just this basic idea that we kind of know that your average person doesn't have a super solid grasp on what exactly is going on with their data. And so when you have an option that is like pretty simple to opt in or opt out and there's definitely like advocacy groups and people out there who have suggested kind of simple ideas like this could, without imparting a whole lot of deep knowledge on the part of the user, give them a way to better track or keep from being tracked, what's going on with their data. Yeah, I mean, I think in apps, not all apps have advertising, but many do, especially really popular apps that at one point did not. I think for the most part, people are used to, yeah, you see ads, maybe it's an ad that's relevant to you, maybe you ignore it kind of case by case. And we've all had that situation where we're like, gosh, I was just talking about those sweatshirts. How do they know? It's like, there's this whole system in place, this advertising system behind the scenes that is really robust and works in, it's not very mysterious ways, it turns out. It's all based on our behavior. I think what is most interesting to me is which apps by folks who didn't really pay attention to this before, who didn't have this prompt before, and now are getting this prompt like, do you want this app to track you? Which are the apps that are perceived as the shadiest, or the apps that, you trust the very least to have information like this, even though this is not the kind of information that has anything to do with an app, selling your private information to a shady enterprise. It's all about advertising, but yeah, as you mentioned, Aaron, there's a lot of, what do people understand about this process and do they understand that in many cases that the power is completely in their hands and they might not want to change anything at all? Yeah, this forces it out of the open and lets users make a more educated decision. And if your business was built on ignorance, I don't know that that's a good defense. Well, Privacy Analysis Company, AppSensis posted on Tuesday that Android's implementation of COVID-19 contact tracing made contact tracing logs potentially accessible to pre-installed apps. The contact tracing system uses rotating Bluetooth identifiers. Those identifiers don't reveal any identifying information and are changed every 15 minutes. So they're not logging your location, they're just identifying you in some way. The identifiers are logged in privileged memory inaccessible to most software. That's good so far, right? But system apps that are pre-installed by manufacturers like Samsung or Lenovo have system privileges. You might say, well, why do they have that? So they're pre-installed apps and they can read crash report logs. But that access could also potentially be used to access the contact tracing logs as well. So far, there's no indication any system apps tried to access the contact tracing logs, but it's something that is possible. So what is Google gonna do about it? Has Google done anything about it? AppSensis reported the vulnerability to Google back on February 19th. Google spokesperson Jose Castagneta told the markup that the rollout of this update to Android devices began several weeks ago and will be complete in the coming days. Little bit vague. AppSensis doesn't consider the problem fixed and we're at the end of April. What's taking so long? We don't know. Google probably knows, but it's not saying. Joel Reardon, co-founder and forensic lead of AppSensis told the markup, quote, this fix is a one-line thing where you remove a line that logs sensitive information to the system log. Doesn't impact the program. Doesn't change how it works. So Reardon thinks this should have been fixed fast. What do we think? I, okay. I think that this probably should have been fixed and Google should have acknowledged it, just if for no other reason than the optics of it. But if I were to look at this and wonder, okay, why is Google dragging their feet? It's probably because from an engineering mindset, you think of these pre-installed apps as part of the operating system. Pre-installed apps have to be vetted by Google. They undergo more scrutiny than Play Store apps. They're more trustworthy. They get audited. And if there was anything shady going on, Google would know about it. So in their mind, I think they see this as like, well, anything on our operating system level could access these logs, but they don't. So why should we do anything about it? Or do we need to spend the engineering resources to do anything about it? The threat level is very low. We trust these partners. But at this point, they should write that one line of code that he was talking about, I think. You know, I think that the point about optics is an interesting one because I remember when it first was announced that companies like Google were going to be working on these tracker apps, there was definitely a wave of concern at the time about, you know, this is some sensitive information and how can we be totally sure that if we're, you know, giving over some data for the sake of convenience or maybe some safety, that it's gonna be in good hands. And the thing to keep in mind is there's not a lot of data here. This is Bluetooth identifiers that are anonymous. They don't have your location. Any of the other data in this logs is probably also available in other logs like your MAC address, et cetera. So it's the manufacturer of your phone being able to have these rotating Bluetooth IDs. And if they wanted to, they could plow through all of the Bluetooth identifiers they have in a database and match them up to figure out who in their system was near each other. Wouldn't even be a complete system since it wouldn't include data from all the contact tracing apps out there. So it just really, I don't think it would be very valuable data either, but in the end, it's like, they guaranteed that the system would have no leaks and it's got a tiny leak. Yeah, and it doesn't sound like the leak is all that hard to fix. Yeah, that makes it even more like, come on, just write the maranthalana code. Unless it's more complicated than that, I don't know, but it sounds like it should be pretty easy. Nikkei sources say that Apple's next-gen processor right now being called the M2, we don't know what it'll officially be called because this is all based on sources, but it has gone into production at TSMC according to Nikkei and could start shipping to assemblers in July. The M2 is reportedly being built on TSMC's five nanometer plus lines and will like the M1 integrate the CPU, GPU and neural processing unit in one. New MacBook Pros are estimated to arrive sometime in Q2 or Q3, a new Mac Pro possibly later this year or early 2022. So we don't know which, if any of these, a new processor would go in. But if you were, we were speculating during the Apple announcement last week about like, when are they gonna come out with the next processor and what machine is that gonna go in? And so here's another tidbit for you. It's hitting the fabrication lines. Yeah, for all those people who were like, well, M1 sounds good and everything, but aren't they already just working on the M2? The answer is yes. Apparently yes, yeah. Now you know. I don't know what this means. I don't know that this changes anything if you're like, should I wait to buy X? Remember we were talking about Niko? She's like, I kinda wanna wait to buy a MacBook Pro. I think this doesn't change anything. You wait until they announce the thing you want and then you try to buy it as soon after that or you just ignore the whole cycle and buy the thing you need when you need it. But I know people like to keep track of this stuff. So it's interesting to note. Hey folks, you want DTNS as a video podcast? I mean, if you're watching the video, you're like, yeah, I already get that. But if you don't, you can get the video RSS feed at dailytechnewshow.com slash subscribe. We've talked a lot on DTNS about TikTok, why it's popular, whether it was gonna get banned in various countries or will be in the future, whether it might be the final thing that takes on Facebook, everybody's been wondering, what's that app that's going to come along eventually? But what it's used for is also really interesting. You might talk to a dozen people about TikTok and their experiences and what they like and what they see. And you might get a dozen different reasons that they use it and what is on their for you page from recipes, language learning to real estate, DIY, everything, it is on TikTok somewhere. Now, Erin, last month you wrote an article for CNET about how TikTok is even being used as a dating app. And I have racked my brain because I knew we were gonna talk about this today and I can't figure out, besides flirting in a comment section, how that happens. Yeah, so there's three main ways. And like you said, I mean, one way is yes, people just flirt with each other by sending DMs and commenting, but the two other ways are kind of interesting. For one, there's a bunch of people who just get on TikTok and they might post a video where they're saying, like, hello, I'm single and I would like to change that or maybe they need a wedding date for like their brother's wedding or something in a couple of months. And they just flat out ask for that. And something else that has popped up that I thought was really interesting is there are a few accounts that are acting like matchmakers. And so one account, for example, is a young woman who's in Chicago who has this series where she kind of calls it like exposing my hot friends. And she does these little like montages of her friends who are single and in her estimation very eligible and basically kind of posts a little like highlight reel of them and she's been having enough success that she's trying to actually turn this into a business. Wow. That actually makes perfect sense. So like a sizzle reel for dating. Yeah. Well, and it's like, if she, I mean, being a matchmaker is a real job, right? And so if she's good at it, it's like you could build a business and start with TikTok. In fact, it would be a great way to scale your business very quickly. Right, and it's also interesting because some of the folks that I talked to expressed a certain amount of discontent with like the dating apps that are out there now and saying that it's just too hard to get to know someone based on a series of static photos that somebody might have, you know, on their profile. But if you're looking at someone's account, and this is the caveat that everybody does like image management and kind of curates their presence.  And so people are ending up with this feeling like they're getting a little bit of a better view of a person mainly because of the sort of presence that they have on their channel. I think a lot of people's first reaction would be like, oh, but this is so much less secure. At least if I go through a match or something, I'll be able to know that there's some security involved there because they've been adding it over the years, but on TikTok, it's the Wild West. Exactly. And that's where this can get maybe a little concerning or sort of a interesting situation because at the end of the day, TikTok is not set up to be a dating app. And so, you know, in another circumstance, somebody sliding into your DMs with sort of a, I don't know, creepy message or something would not be welcome. In a lot of cases, it's not. And you also have to remember that this is an app that has like teenagers and stuff on it. But it's interesting the way that a lot of people for example, are trying to use like hashtags like single or over 30 or things like that to try and keep themselves in a certain pool of people. Not foolproof, of course, but yeah, your label of the Wild West definitely feels true in a situation like this on TikTok. I mean, I guess it's somewhere between a club or a bar. It's a little more distant than that. But you know, and you get the benefit of a club or a bar where you see more of what the person is really like than you do on a Tinder. For sure. And that was one of the points that someone brought up to me early on was that, we know that we saw this huge spike in popularity in TikTok early on in the pandemic. And this is a point in time when, we're kind of getting used to this idea that we're not gonna be around each other. We're not gonna be at the clubs and the bars and whatever else we do on a Saturday night. And so the description that one of my sources gave me was like, this is almost turning into something of a public square. And so this is your chance to go and see a bunch of effectively strangers, but in a way that kind of feels like a more public setting. And I think there may be for, I think that the, oh, I'm online dating stigma is, I mean, sure it exists in some form, but it's not what it used to be. It's very, very normal for somebody to look at a variety of apps that are at their disposal, many of them free to find a match of some kind. But because TikTok isn't a dating app, right? We're talking about this like, huh, that's a novel way to use TikTok. Maybe there's a little bit more of a, well, I'm on TikTok for lots of reasons and this is just one reason I don't have to make me being single be like my whole identity and the reason that I'm part of this. Like maybe like dip a toe in type of a thing. Sure. And I think that that also speaks to an aspect of this is like one of the sources I was talking to who spends a lot of time on TikTok was completely not surprised that things were evolving in this way because as we were talking a few minutes ago, there's just so much that happens on TikTok. And if you're going there to get recipes or learn how to like, caulk your bathroom or, you know, something like that, you can find that. And so, you know, what she was kind of telling me is that it's not surprising to her or wouldn't be surprising to her if kind of TikTok continues to evolve in a way where you're just kind of taking care of an increasing number of sort of like social needs in a way. Yeah, because you can use TikTok for so many different things as Sarah was saying earlier, like for some it's language learning, for others it's recipes, for some it's like remodeling ideas or even real estate, even doing like, you were saying there were home tours or something you saw, right? Right, so one of the people that I follow just out of sheer curiosity is a real estate agent in New York City. And he does tours of apartments in New York City and tells you what you're getting for how much. And sometimes these are listings that he's actually kind of in charge of or, you know, however that works. And so I'll see that he's put like his phone number or something in the comments and be like, if you're interested, like text me, call me and we can talk about this apartment, which I just think is really fascinating and not something I would have thought of as, you know, TikTok as a place to go to if I were looking for a new apartment. Yeah, it's fascinating because TikTok is different for everybody in a way that I don't think Twitter or Facebook are. Like some people think of TikTok as a particular sub community. So dating feels like that's a natural part of like, oh, I hang out with all the cooking people or all the Korean language people and like, oh, that person's kind of cool. Oh, they're single. Well, that's interesting, you know, and then you've got a shared interest right from the start. Right, exactly.  But if the thing that's on your mind that's really pressing is dating and sort of humor around being single and life is a single person and whatnot, that's, it's a whole other thing on there. Yeah, yeah. Well, really quickly, Spotify has made paid podcast subscriptions available in the U.S. today through its anchor service with 12 independent shows and a collaboration with NPR on several of their shows. Podcasters won't have to pay anything, but transaction fees, the amount that, you know, credit card processing and that stuff. For the first two years, after which Spotify will start taking 5%, unlike Apple subscription service, Anchor, which is owned by Spotify, creates a special RSS link that the user can add to whatever app they want. They make it easy to add it to Spotify, but you can add it to anything similar to how Patreon RSS works. Subscriptions within Spotify will send listeners to the show's anchor webpage where you subscribe and then it kicks you back to Spotify if you want to subscribe through Spotify. So we knew this was coming. There'd been a Wall Street Journal article about it earlier and now it's here.  You're really taking podcasting seriously, aren't you? Yeah, we knew this was coming, but it's, I mean, it's an attractive deal, depending on, you know, what your goal is as a podcaster. And it's not locked into the app the way Apple is. This works more like, Acast also works this way, which powers Patreon podcasting. And so I think this is a better way to do it because Spotify owns a podcasting company because they bought Anchor. This is a more open way to do that. And I think that's better for the podcasting ecosystem, to be honest. Well, German startup Wingcopter has launched the Wingcopter 198, an autonomous delivery drone capable of making three separate deliveries per single flight. Wingcopter was founded back in 2017 as a drone manufacturer. Then the company expanded its business model to include drone delivery as a service in sectors like healthcare, e-commerce and grocery. Using what the company calls logistical highways in the sky. Wingcopter's patented tilt rotor propellant mechanism offers multi-copter and fixed wing drone capabilities within the single drone that can get up to 93 miles per hour. It's pretty fast. And carry payloads of up to 13 pounds over about 47 miles on a single battery charge. It'll go even farther if you have something that's less than 13 pounds. Wingcopter is pursuing certification from the Federal Aviation Administration in the US for commercial flights in the United States. It would only be one of a few that has that certification. So we'll see if that happens. It's got rotors on the wings. Like, this seems obvious in retrospect. It can do everything. This is great.  It's just like, I don't, you know, don't make me come all the way back to get the next. I can do three deliveries. Just have to be light things. Yeah. And it gives it a lot more flexibility, a lot more adaptability as well. Yeah, absolutely. Well, shout out to patrons at our master and grand master levels. Today, they include Paul Thieson, Kevin and Paul Boyer.  Also thanks to our brand new boss, Video Guy 99.99. I like your style, Video Guy. You just started backing us on Patreon and we would like to thank you, new boss. Also thanks to Erin Carson. Erin, it's been too long. We're so glad to have you back today. Let folks know where they can keep up with the rest of your work. Right, you can always find me at scenet.com and on Twitter, I'm at Erin Carson. Excellent. Thank you, Erin. We are live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern, 20.30, UTC. Put it on your calendar. Find out more at dailytechnewshow.com slash live and we'll be back tomorrow with Scott Johnson. Talk to you then. 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theCUBE is a live mobile studio. We're back here live in Las Vegas. This is Silicon Angles and Wikibon's theCUBE. Our program, we go out to the advanced and try to seal it from the noise. We are going to break down the analysis here of Amazon Web Services, slew of announcements. I'm John Furrier, the founder of Silicon Angles. I'm Joe Mykos, Dave Vellante, and special appearance by Wikibon analyst Jeff Kelly, who is the number one big data analyst in the planet. Of course, we're biased. Jeff, welcome back. Yesterday you were out scouring the landscape. We had too many men earlier on. So we really want to get your perspective. We know you were out there talking to a lot of the folks, talking to the developers. A lot of stuff going on that smells and walks and quacks like big data here. I mean, a lot of enablement. Obviously cloud platform is enabling huge tsunami of new applications, DevOps, obviously the big focus. What's your take? Yeah, a lot of big data related announcements this morning. You saw things both on some of the analytics side, the more sexy side of big data, but also around the whole concept of making big data and data management in a big data context more enterprise grade. So you saw things around reliability, supporting multiple zones, backup disaster recovery around RDS and some other of the data platforms that AWS offers. And of course you saw Kinesis, which was I think probably the biggest announcement. We've got my attention the most. Kinesis, a new service from AWS, managed service all around stream processing of data. So you can basically power real time intelligent applications. So those are the kind of the two things that I heard this morning. Again, Kinesis, the analytics, that's kind of the sexy part of big data. The stuff around reliability and disaster recovery, keeping data consistent. Not quite as sexy, but very important in terms of making big data enterprise grade. Now I was talking to David Floyd earlier this morning. He said that based on his information, Amazon developed Kinesis, mainly using its own technology. So they're not buying in technology. This is really their first entry into the space. And Jeff, you and I have talked about this a little bit. The whole notion of real time and in this new unstructured world, in the Hadoop world. We've done a number of case studies. The one that obviously we talk about a lot is TAPAD, which is an ad serving application. And essentially what they're doing is they're merging their analytical data with some of their transaction data and serving up ads in near real time. As the customer is trolling around the website. So the company behind that tech is Aerospike. They use an SSD. Others are doing that as well. We've had a number of folks on theCUBE. This Kinesis feels like it's related to that. Maybe not directly head to head, but talk about that a little bit. Right, well, so as you said, Kinesis was developed internally by AWS. Their problem was they had all this metric and data, basically how people were using the AWS platform and they wanted to monitor that and analyze that data in real time. So they started to develop what is now Kinesis. And they realized, well, this is something that could be applicable to a lot of use cases in our customer base. So they went ahead and made this a full-fledged managed service running on AWS. So how it relates to some of the trends we're seeing in the larger big data world. What has struck me initially hearing about Kinesis was it's very much related to the industrial internet use cases around automating operations using real-time analytics. Essentially creating intelligent operational applications so you can do things like a wind turbine can self-correct based on real-time data that's coming from both the machine itself, maybe outside sources like weather data, other things. Essentially automating these decisions in real-time because you can't have a person doing that in real-time making those kind of operational-level decisions. So that's kind of where I see this starting to fit in in terms of how it actually compares to some of the other technologies out there. So you mentioned AeroSpike and Tapad. I think ad tech is probably the easiest example for people to understand. You log on to a site within a millisecond so you get an ad that's tailored to you. There's a lot of analysts going on in the background analyzing who you are, your profile. There's advertisers that then bid on whether they want to show you an ad. The winner has to decide from their inventory which ad to show you based on your profile and your potential to buy. All that analytics happens in under a second behind the scenes and it's obviously automated. There's no person back there doing that kind of analysis that's just not feasible. So that's kind of the easiest example to understand but apply that type of workflow to any number of industries in the industrial internet space like healthcare, like transportation, energy and you can see the potential value of really automating these systems creating almost like intelligent ecosystems around operational ecosystems around all these different industries that impact everybody. Now in terms of where Kinesis fits in it's unclear to me if it's truly a streaming engine. The example and the way Werner described it in the keynote today talked about data streaming in and then persisting it into different databases such as DynamoDB or others to then do an analysis on it. So to me it didn't quite reach the level of a true streaming engine like something you would see from IBM, streams. InfoSphere streams, H-streaming, which was recently acquired. Exactly, so we still need some more details to determine exactly what level of does it really fit the streaming category, streaming definition. And then the other thing that I was a little disappointed when in the keynote was the example was a social media application. Yeah, they took the Twitter firehose. They took the Twitter firehose which is my favorite planet is Mars and ended up being but it was very much a sort of trite. It was a little trite but it was a person. It was an end user doing some analytics and it was real time in that sense the data was some milliseconds coming in but it was an analytic use case where it was a user trying to gain some insight. It was not automating an action. Which to me is where the real value of the streaming capabilities comes in. I agree, I was more impressed two years ago with Larry Ellison's demo of Twitter but that wasn't that impressive. Right, well I think people look at, I think it wasn't the greatest use case to pick that to show one because it's, you know Twitter, social media, people say great, it's kind of neat but is it really that, it's going to change the world that I can now analyze Twitter in real times as opposed to 10 minutes old. And again for me the real value of big data and the industrial internet is when you start to build applications that are infused with analytics that are automating operational decisions that a person just can't do. And when you start doing that you start getting, creating as I said intelligent ecosystems where you can make much more efficient operations in healthcare, energy, the energy grid for example. It leads to lower prices for consumers, at least the better service for consumers. So to me those are really the potential valuable use cases and it's not clear to me that Kinesis is able to tap into those operational type applications. But isn't ad tech an example of that operational application? You're essentially making a decision in near real time without really human involvement, right? That's the best example and one of the only real world examples that's out there right now it needs to be applied more to, as I said these other use cases and that's what we're seeing why GE's built their cloud and some of the technology they're working with with PIVL and AWS as a matter of fact to do that. Well what about high velocity trading for example? I mean is this not an application for, they said financial services I presume they're talking about trading apps. Yeah absolutely, yeah that would be a use case for sure. I think one of the challenges you know there's been complex event processing engines but that was generally one source of data it was not as a distributed system so that's where your streams comes in for example that's a distributed streaming environment. So yeah that's an example I don't know if I'd put that into the industrial internet use case and some of these societally beneficial use cases. You could argue I mean certainly it's wealth creation and that benefits people. But you know where I think it really starts to make an impact on people's lives is when you're talking about energy that you consume at your home and when it's healthcare you go to the doctor and you've got actually the people are there, the doctors are there that you need the specialists, the beds ready, the machines are ready, it's optimized, it's shorter visits, it's more efficient, et cetera. Jeff what are you hearing about the uptake on EMR, elastic map reduce? It's coming around, it's hard to judge specifically how much of the AWS business is around EMR but from what I'm hearing from customers that they like it a lot it actually abstracts away a lot of the complexity of running your own Hadoop cluster which I mean if you take a step back that's pretty much one of the main benefits of the cloud generally. So people like it for that reason. I think the challenge is one is data movement, getting all that data into Amazon can be a challenge. I think the other thing is building applications on top of it to actually do more with EMR and Hadoop but it's one of those areas where Amazon's focused on it, I spoke with some of the product managers of EMR, they're focused on being completely Apache compatible, they try to trail just behind the Apache releases and you can also run other Hadoop distributions on AWS if you want.  I think the difference is when you do that you are as a customer you're still dealing with some of the complexity of running your own cluster, you've still got to manage that process where with EMR they have the ability, if you use the full EMR capabilities to abstract away that kind of thing, so you're not, for instance, notify when a node goes down, Amazon takes care of that, you don't even have to know when that happens. Whereas if you're using other Hadoop distributions on top of AWS, that's still something you have to be aware of and take into consideration. All right, Jeff, well thanks for coming on theCUBE, helping us unpack Kinesis and a little bit on Elastic MapReduce, so hopefully we'll get you on again later in the day. Absolutely, thanks. We'll be right back with our next guest after this short break, exclusive coverage. Let's look at it in the Wikibon. Go to crowdchat.net slash reinvent if you want to join the conversation. 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What's up everybody? Welcome into the front yard fantasy hour presented by FanDuel. I'm your host Simon joined as always by my co-host Joey Wright and Jay Felicio. What's up boys? Not a whole lot ready for the show today. Ready to win as I normally do on these Thursday night shows. So let's go. It's more like Thursday afternoon. Not really quite night yet. I think the sun's still out so. I go to bed at 9pm. This is night. This is fully a night at this point guys. Joining us today we have a very special guest, a legend in the industry and a great friend of the show. Bob Harris is here with us today. Aka Football Die Hard on Twitter as you can see below his beautiful face on the screen right here. For those of you that don't know Bob, did you just start playing fantasy five minutes ago? I don't know what to tell you, but if you have not heard of Bob, this is your opportunity to fix it. He is the senior editor over at footballdiehards.com. A host on Sirius XM Fantasy and a Hall of Fame member in the FSWA. Bob, thank you so much for joining us today my friend. Thanks for having me on. That was a whole litany of things that I am at the start of the show. I think one of them was absolutely correct. A friend of the program. So and happy to be one. It's fantastic. Love you guys. When I think back to the expo, the dominant memory is just at different points in the stadium on the night of the party just hearing, let me back on your show. And I woke up and there's Bob standing 50 yards away, 30 yards away, 20 yards away just screaming at me. He was in the middle of the Kings Classic draft. He said, Jay, come here, come here. You got to get me back on the show right in the middle of drafting. Is that the one that you won this year too, Bob? I won the auction, the Brown auction, which, you know, it was a little bit of an issue because of the bills, bangles.  I was up by, I want to say, 70-ish points. And Dom Centrino, who, by the way, was in both finals, the regular and the snake and the auction in that division, had Hayden Hurst. Yeah, you were probably okay, I'd say. I was probably okay. I would like a cleaner finish, but, you know, that's the way it goes. And I'll gladly accept. I did help draft the snake team that won the last, like, eight rounds I got to draft. I'm not going to say that's what they won, but I'm going to say that. I'm not going to say it's not the reason they won. Just don't look at the players you picked there. I'm not going to look. It was not because of me. We've got some people in the chat ready for today's show. Dame is in here. What's up, Dame? We've got Grim fan in here saying, testing, testing, one, two, three. What's up, guys? What's up, Grim? Glad it's working here. Also, Grim, I believe the other day you were having trouble getting one of your questions through for Joey. And what I'm imagining caused it is there is a filter on YouTube that we have turned on to hold potentially harmful comments. And sometimes innocuous words used in other contexts do get caught up in there. So I would check the question you were trying to ask, see if there's a word in there that you think might be taken another way and caught by our filter and then edited accordingly and thrown in the chat. Unless it truly was wildly offensive, at which point, please don't put that in the chat. I mean, if it was directed at me, the chances are it's probably right. I feel like I'm not conforming. Like, everyone has their first name then their Twitter handle. I'm like, it's my first name. It works for you. What's up, Matt? Hey, not much, man. We got DJ and you're saying, what's up, guys? What's up, DJ? Welcome in. What's up, DJ? And Dane excited Bob is on here. What's up, Dane? Albert said, hello, everyone. Hello, Albert. Glad to have you in here. Albert. And DJ had a question for us to start the show off. He wants to know, can Joe Burrow beat a banged up Pat Mahomes? Well, Vegas seems to think so. The bangles were one point favorites. Last time I checked here on the FanDuel Sports Book. Not any longer. That's changed since today. It's now switched to the chiefs or one point favorites. The chiefs are one point favorites. The chiefs are one point favorites. It's a good practice. The chiefs are moving. The chiefs were one and a half point favorites. Bangles switched to one and a half point favorites. And went to bangles minus one. And I guess now it's back to chiefs minus one. Bob, who's coming out on top in this game? Do you think Joe Burrow is going to continue his domination there and burrow head? Or are the chiefs going to be able to pull out a victory? I think it's going to be Cincinnati. You know, and I kind of thought it was going to be the bills. And then Cincinnati, you put the kibosh on that. So I'm maybe just going to ride the team the hot hand. You know, I can remember telling everybody all year long and dating back to numerous years, offensive lines matter. And that is still true unless you're the Cincinnati bangles, at which point it gets the bar and all that. It does not matter who your offensive line is. Every team will lay down for you. It was this pointing effort by the bills up front, I thought, on both sides of the ball. But man, people are sleeping on the Bengals defense, I think, a little bit. Again, this year, I mean, wasn't that kind of a strength? You know, it's easy to overlook the offense. But that in the playoff run last year, the offense was playing great. And so I'm leaning. I'm leaning Bengals. And I'm hoping Jamar Chase has another one of those 266 yard games that he pulled off against them a year or so ago. After that, during that Bengals-Bills game, I feel like I was sitting there thinking, did we all just count out the Bengals when we were talking about teams that could win it? We did. I did. We talked about it as a possibility. Of course, they were that other team thrown in the conversation, though. It was all, and the Bills win it. Can they bring a final finish to the job? Is it the Chiefs who are going to get another one for basketball homes? Maybe the 49ers and Brock Purdy or it's Jalen Hurts and the Eagles. Those are the teams we were talking about. Even like dark horses, like the Cowboys, I feel like we're talked about more than the Bengals being a real contender. Let's be honest, the Cowboys are never going to win at all. They are going to choke. They always choke. Sorry, I had to get my Giants fan. I was going to say that is coming from Giants fans. I had to get the Giants fan. That's like the love language of a Cowboys fan is, oh, my game is the worst. Okay. Something Simon and I were talking about was. Amber alert. Okay. I got to go. What Simon and I were talking about was the Jaguars. You know, they were kept saying like, look, the Jaguars are a lot like the Bengals of last year. Well, whoever wrote that article, forgot about the Bengals of this year. The Bengals of this year are the Bengals of last year. Exactly. Making a nice little run. But DJ, to answer your question, Bob seems to think so. And I think all of us here definitely see it as a possibility if we're not picking it right out, right? We got Mel Mel in here saying, what's up? What's up, Mel Mel? Mel Mel. And our friend Coop in here saying, this guy at seems like a sharp dude. Yeah. One of the sharpest in the game at this guy is. Answer is one of the sharpest guys in the game. Mel Mel wants to know, what are the chances of the 49ers beating the Eagles coming from a hurt Cowboys fan? Bob, do you like the 49ers chances with Brock Purdy here? Is this where the magic ends for that rookie quarterback? I did write up until last week. I thought, oh no. This is the other Eagles. I do think San Francisco has a chance. They play Greek defense. They've got an array of remarkable skill weapons. And maybe this is the game where, you know, suddenly Brock Purdy turns into a pumpkin. Probably not, right? I mean, that's the thing, right? You're counting on something that, you know, we've been waiting for for, you know, a long run right now. He just has a loss. He may lose a game and they may lose, but I don't think he's going to be the reason they lose. Yeah. I tend to agree with you. I've been waiting for the wheels to fall off. I know our friend Coop has been waiting for those rookie wheels to fall off, but he just keeps playing. It's a pretty quarterback friendly system that he's playing in over there. They don't need them to do too much. Hey, remember when I said the sun couldn't get any worse? Looks like you're like, I don't know why the first movie that came... Have you guys seen Kingaroo Jack? I have not, no. Well, I guess other movies where they walk in the desert would apply as well. But we're like, you're walking in the desert and it's kind of got like the wavy mirage, heat waves behind you. I'm hoping it improves here somewhat over the course of the... I feel like it's an intimidation factor for the game. It might be.  That comment wouldn't fly in the comments. Violent rhetoric, not good. It's like the lens flare from a Tony Scott movie. Yes. I'll take that. There we go. Michael in here said, burrows beating the healthy mhomes three times already. So yeah, they can. Great point. We got Geekippy in here. What's up, Geekippy? Welcome in. And Mr. Scamper said, double parked alert. What's up, Mr. Scamper? Glad to have you here. All of Scamper. JL in the chat. Excited to see everyone. Coop. James Scamper. Albert Geek. Look at all of that. Guys, I know there's a lot of news. We're going to hit some more of these things throughout the show today, but I want to get us started with our game. Today, we are playing the game we know as pole perception. We're playing a game called pole perception. This is the game that tests our contestants' knowledge and understanding of the public's perception of the NFL and fantasy football. I found seven of the juiciest, most succulent, delicious poles online before the game started. What I'm going to do is I'm going to propose one of these hot poles to one of our contestants. Joey, I may ask you, what percentage of people chose side A in this pole? You're going to give me a percentage. So 40%. Now that becomes the line for our other two contestants. Bob and Jay, you would be responsible for guessing whether the actual percentage of people that chose side A, always side A, always that first option is over or under the line set by your opponent. So Joey, you'll get points based on how close you are. 10 if you're exactly right. One, if you're 15 away, it scales up within there. You're going to get nothing if you're more than 15 away though. Bob and Jay, you would get points for correctly picking the over under. Two, if you correctly pick it. We'll go like this through six poles, two full rounds before we get to our seventh and final pole where there is no more of this over under nonsense. It's just guessing a number. Every single person is going to write down their guess either on a phone or a piece of paper. It's my tradition to not warn the guests ahead of time that they're going to need something to write on. So Bob, good luck. You got to the end of the show to find something to write on. Whoever's the closest in that last one will get five points or 10 if they're exactly right. And the contestant with the most points at the end of that round will be our pole perception champion. You guys ready? Let's do it. Let's do it. So I'm going to, Bob, I'm going to let you decide. Do you want to go first, second or third? The order of the poles is already determined. So this will determine who gets what poles. I'm going between these two wonderful gentlemen. I'll go second. Okay, Joey, would you like to go first or third? Third. Third. That means Jay is going first before we get in there. I see we got Corey in here. He says, how the f is there only four people in here? How did that word get in there? How the Facebook filters are lacking, man. But Corey, I appreciate you coming in and hanging out. And I appreciate the enthusiasm I think I've intimidated the sun too. Look at me go. You did. Bob Geek says, there's these fancy things called curtains though. Thank you. I appreciate that. You think I'd be old enough to know this? Curtains, it takes overrated. Once you decide on curtains, it takes a solid six months. I spent like at least three quarters of my life without, without blinds. There was no such thing as blinds. When I grew up, we had curtains, nothing but curtains all day long. Curtains. We liked it that way.  We just hung bedsheets from rods. Okay, well, Jay, we're going to jump into your first poll. I see some of these questions in here. We're going to hit these in between rounds today. Jay, here is your first poll. Are you ready? I wish you wouldn't talk to me when I took a sip of my drink, but yes, I am ready. It's a PPR dynasty trade. Side A is Gabe Davis. Side three is the 2023 206. Of course I had to get this. What percentage of people chose Gabe Davis in this poll, Mr. Jay? This is tough because I'm a Gabe Davis. I don't want to say hater, but I just never bought into the hype. Definitely don't think he lived up to the hype of his ADP this season. But he, you know, he had a pretty decent playoff game. And people just, man, they love them some Gabe Davis. So 206. It didn't. I didn't say a super flex or not because that would make a little bit of a difference. It's a PPR. So I'm the assumption. This is all the information given the assumption is that it's not super flex. Okay. Even with a deep class, I still think it's going to go on the Gabe Davis side. I'm going to go with 64% Gabe Davis. Jay, going with 64% on the Gabe Davis side. Bob, do you think the actual percentage of people that chose Gabe Davis over the 2023 206 is over or under Jay's guess of 64%. First of all, I'm with Jay. I am not a Gabe Davis or we remember, we remember the last thing we see, right? And we all drafted the last thing we saw of Gabe Davis this summer, which was that huge game against the Chiefs. Hopefully this year we're drafting the last game we saw against the Bengals and not the Miami game, which would have been pretty good, but way less if they have any sense whatsoever. It's just Twitter. So we don't know if they have. I know. I'm going to pretend they do. Bob taking the under Joey. What do you think here? Yeah. The only, the only exposure I went to Gabe Davis really is in best ball. Like, because he's a, you know, deep, just kind of boom, boom, robust player. I'm going to go under. I had 53 in my head. And so when he said 64, I'm going to be under on that. I thought the Gabe Davis love this year might have been exactly what he did last year. Right. Like that's just the kind of player he is, which is almost what we got a very similar. You get these crazy big games, but let's see how the public felt about it. Before we do that, we had some guesses in the chat. And this is a reminder to everyone in the chat, play along. Throw your guesses in there. We'll shout you out. If you are very close exactly, right?  Damon here said 42% DJ with 65% as his guest. Scamper said 39. He can't be coming in with 9%. Grim with 77. Albert with 27. Oh, and geek. Changing their mind. Changing their mind again. 57%. I think is their final answer. And Jail said, I'll play along. Well, welcome in jail. Play along with us. Welcome to jail. There's the actual percentage of people that said Gabe Davis over the 2023, 206 and a rookie draft was 38%. Wow. Jay, you were very off on that spot. That was way off. Bob and Joey, you guys are each going to get two points for correctly picking that one. Scamper is at 39%. Only one percentage point away. Jay, not your best first round. Not great, Bob. You know, it's what people, I mean, again, people are going to remember the more of the boom, the bust than the boom. Because there was way more bust than boom, right? Buffalo offense is easy to decipher. I'm going to play Josh Allen. I want to play Stefan Diggs. And the rest of them, you're taking your chances. Yeah. It's pretty clear who you start there. You start those two guys and then, I don't know, maybe mix in one of their slot receivers, throw a Gabe Davis in if you need to hide upside, but it's kind of gross. People have jumped off that bandwagon real quick. Because I think if it was this time last year, that percentage would even flip flop. Absolutely. 100%. And Coopin here is saying, I didn't get my answer anytime, but I was going to say 38. That's incredible. I was going to say less than Joey, but I'm not going to crow about that. Well, Bob, it is time for your first poll. Are you ready for poll number one? Maybe. Well, here we go. Whether you're ready or not, I'm throwing it to you. You're on the clock in a dynasty startup draft. Who do I take? So that's how this question was worded. I'm on the clock in a dynasty startup draft. Who do I take? Side A, Calvin Ridley. Side B, Rashad Bateman. Side C, Deontay Johnson. What percentage of people said they would take Calvin Ridley if they're on the clock making this choice? 47%. 47%. Final answer? Yes. OK. Joey, do you think the actual percentage is over or under Bob's adamant and confident guess of 47%. I kind of want to queen B it because he was so confident. I know. I'm not going to queen B yet. So yeah, I think Calvin Ridley is going to win this in a landslide. I think the buzz under shot Bateman is way down. There's a lot of tweets out there seeing that I've been seeing saying if you can trade Rashad Bateman, trade him now because the Ravens are going to go out and get somebody. And Deontay Johnson, I think Pickens is probably their wide receiver one going forth next season. So I agree with Bob that Ridley is going to win this. I think he's going to win it by more though. So I'm going to go over. Right. Joey taking the over on Bob's guess of 47%. Jay, you following Joey or do you have a mind of your own? I don't have a mind of my own. I'm really, really tempted to go for that queen B. And for those listening, I don't think I explain the queen B. The queen B is when you think your opponent has it exactly correct. Get that right. You'll learn 10 points along with them.  Jay also taking the over here. We've got double overs from the two contestants. Bob set a line at 47%. And we got some answers in the chat. Jay L saying, I'm going to hate the answer to this. Geek saying 40%. DJ said Deontay 100%. Ooh, DJ. Scamper's queen B in you, Bob. Grim fan also queen B in you. They like your answer. Wow. Dame said 45. 55%. 55 might be that. Albert said 41. And Scamper's changed. It said actually 64%. I think with all the hype around the Jaguars and Ridley coming back. Yep. I think all that matters. Let's see. The actual percentage of people that chose Calvin Ridley over both Rashad Bateman and Deontay Johnson in this poll was 42%. Bob, that is about as good of a round as you could have had you within five. So you're going to get five points and you edged out Jay and Joey. They did not get any points because they both took the over on that one. Starting off great this game. Nice job, Bob. Bob, I did want to ask you before we move on to this next question. What are we doing with Calvin Ridley going into next year?  Well, first of all, we're going to wait for him to get reinstated, right? I'm pretty sure it's going to happen, but it has not happened yet. So we should stipulate that that must happen. It's been a long time since we've seen him, right? I mean, it's been a good stretch. The last full season we saw was pretty damn good though. And I think people will go back, look at those numbers. It was impressive. He was heavily targeted. The question is, does he draw that same target share in an offense with Christian Kerr? Kevin Ingram sticks around. I think that might be a factor as well. So I think we'll be overdrafting him. I'll be looking for the cheaper components, most likely Christian Kerr, who may come in again at the same price he did this year if you're getting him around nine, around 10, might find him there. And I might, you know me, I'm mean and cheap and I want to discount and all those things. And so I'll probably be waiting for the cheaper piece. But I'm not dismissive of Ridley or this offense. Trevor Lawrence, everything seems to be on the rise there. Albert and Geek in here both really close. Nice job guys. 41% nice job. You guys are on it today in the chat. Joey, I did want to ask you how you feel about Calvin Ridley as well. Are you feeling similarly to Bob or maybe a little more optimistic? I feel similar to Bob. Bob hit on something like I'm going to go for the cheaper guy with Christian Kerr. And I feel like next year, and that's quite a ways away off from our redraft leagues. But if you look at the Eagles, that's one team. I'm going to take the cheaper guy. I'm going to wait for John Smith and let other people draft AJ Brown. Will he be the cheaper guy? Exactly. I like what you said there because there's something to that. But I think next year shaping up for me to be like a heavy RB year in the first like one or maybe even two rounds because I love so many of these guys that are deemed as the team's wide receiver twos, which they might actually be the wide receiver ones. So yeah. I'm confident Ridley, but I really love myself from Kirk and that's one year of rapport that he has with Trevor Lawrence as well. Yeah. That's big. He's already got the relationship and I'm with you. I did that a lot this year. I had a lot of Jalen Waddle. I had a lot of T Higgins. I'm going to work out just fine for me. So I'm with you, Joey. I think you can see that some success with that again next year. Jalen Waddle and T Higgins worked out all right. Yeah. I think that probably worked out pretty fine. And if you throw Devonta Smith into that mix, you were pretty happy leaving this season. Well, Bob, you've got a pretty convincing lead. Seven to two to zero so far. He's like, who's Bob? Two questions. But we're going to move on to Joey's first poll. Now the last poll around the one. Joey, you ready? Yep. Hit me with it. DPR dynasty. It's going to be a doozy. Side A, Josh Jacobs. Side B, DeAndre Swift. What percentage of people chose Josh Jacobs in this poll? You got some tough ones today, Simon. We got some juicy ones today. I wasn't lying when I said they were succulent. Like the plant, not like the adjective. A year ago, this would have been really lopsided towards Swift. I think it's evened out a little bit more, but I still think Swift has it slightly. I'm going to go 48% Josh Jacobs. 48% Josh Jacobs. It all depends where he ends. If he stays with the Raiders and they get somebody like Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady, that's going to be really great for Josh Jacobs. But if he goes to an undesirable location, I can see Swift easily winning this, but we don't know that yet. We don't. J. 48%. Joey locked in 48%. You taking the over or under on Joey's guess? That's a really good guess, but I think I'm going to go with the over. I think it's going to be just barely on the Josh Jacobs side. The way that he looked this season, and the emergence of Jamal Williams taking away all those touchdowns. DeAndre Swift not able to stay on the field. I think it's going to ever so slightly lean towards the Josh Jacobs side. Bob, are you agreeing with Jay here? Do you think it's the under on Joey's guess of 48%? I agree with Jay. It's going to be way over. I think, um, and like, you know, mostly because, uh, you know, the Lions coaching staff doesn't seem to have the belief that, you know, it's just kind of like Tony Pollard, where my old high school nervous to skip Pete. Uh, sorry about losing your job today skip. Um, but I talked about Tony Pollard and said, uh, uh, you know, like, hey, he's not effective. Once we get to a certain number carries, I think it was 30 snaps for, for Tony Pollard. I feel like that's where the Lions are at with him. It was a three-way split. Justin Jackson worked his way into the mix. It wasn't like a two-way split. It was a three-way. And I mean, it's not, not like DeAndre Swift can't make big plays in limited workload, but I'm still chasing the volume. And I think everyone else will be too over. Double overs. Did Skip Bayless get fired today? No, not Skip Bayless. No, Skip Pete. My, uh, they're running backs coaching in doubt. Oh, I'm sorry. I heard Skip Bayless. Joe's jaw dropped and was like, What did he say? I'm not breaking that. I'm not breaking that news. If Skip hasn't got fired yet, that guy's never going to get fired unless he does. He's doing exactly what they want. Exactly. If you told me he got fired, I would immediately Google what words came out of his mouth. I want to know what he could say to get kicked off the air. We had some guesses in the chat. Geek coming in with 57% jail with 54. Dame with 51. Albert with 46. Okay. Stamper is with 64. That's usually pretty good to down a little bit. DJ going with 70 and grim with 40%. So Joey, a lot of these answers kind of circling your answer right there, right around it. Let's see the actual percentage of people that chose Josh Jacobs over DeAndre Swift and a PPR Dynasty League was 50% on the diet. Joey. There you go. Great job. You were within five. So you're going to get five points. Bob and Jay, you both correctly picked the over. So that's going to give you guys on the board points. Joey, of these two players, which one would you prefer in Dynasty? Josh Jacobs or DeAndre Swift? I'm going to take a cheap answer out of here. I'm going to say it all depends on the landing spot for Josh Jacobs. Let's say that they are the same. I'd actually prefer Swift if I'm in a draft, because I think Josh Jacobs will get drafted before Swift. So I would rather wait on Swift and let somebody else take Jacobs perverbally. What about you, Bob? I think it might depend on where my team is at. Like if I'm in win now mode, it'd probably be Jacobs. If it's longer term Paul, maybe Swift in the hopes that he can gain a little ground and eventually win overdue Staley, who does not think he's tough enough, clearly. I mean, I tend to agree with you a little bit. My only concern with that is like, how long is long term with running back in the NFL? Like how many years do we actually have of that long term upside with DeAndre Swift? I guess maybe an additional year or two over Josh Jacobs, surely, but we haven't seen that durability from DeAndre Swift either. Shout out to Dame in the chat. Super close on that one. JL and Albert pretty close too, but that's three polls in a row. We've only had a one percentage point off on every single one of them. Okay, let's roll into our next poll. But before we do that, I got to introduce a new rule that takes place starting in round two. I think Bob liked this one. You'll like this one, Bob. Bob, you will like this one because you've used the words already and you don't even know it. There are two more options now, not just over and under. You can now pick way over and way under as well. If you think your opponent's guess is very bad, you know, like Jay's first one. Yeah, that means if it's 15 percentage points or more away, you can say way under or way over. How this works is it's a double or nothing mechanic. If it is in fact 15 or more off, you're going to get four points instead of the normal two. But if it's only 14 percentage points off or 11, anything less than 15, you're going to get zero points. So you got to take that risk that you think it's that far off, but it will pay off double points. So that is going to be available for the next three questions. So do that accordingly. We had a question. Oh, JL said, wait, what was the answer? The answer was 50%. Exactly 50% right there. We had a question from DJ coming here. DJ said, I'm considering in the sports book the Anytime Touchdown Score Parley for the Eagles game taking the plus 360 on Kenneth Gainwell. So a single prop, the plus 360 on Kenneth Gainwell is an Anytime Touchdown Score. Bob, do you like that one? Do you think there's some juice on that one that you're happy about or are you staying away? Plus 360, I'll take it. Plus 360, I'll take it. What about you, Jay? Yeah, I'm with Bob. Especially in NFC Championship game, teams start pulling out all the crazy plays. Kenneth Gainwell already gets some work. So take the shot. Was he Giants? I just say Boston Scott. Please don't. Let's not go there. I'm sorry. Bob, let's not go there. I knew it was Christmas, but it had to happen. I saw a Giants fan on Twitter was talking. He said, I can't deal with it anymore. The only way we can defeat Boston Scott is to sign him. So number one target for the Giants this offseason is Boston Scott. Just keep him off. Keep him off the opponent's sideline. Well, Jay, here's your next poll. Are you ready for it?  Here we go. Dynasty. That's all the context we're given. Side A is Devonta Smith. Side B is AJ Brown. What percentage of people prefer Devonta Smith in this poll? We had a little bit of foreshadow. I was about to say Bob foreshadowed this man. This is tough. Well, I love both of these guys. I'm a big AJ Brown fan. I wish, you know, he was able to stay on the field just a little more. Devonta Smith makes me feel good about myself because I have chicken legs. And so does he and he's in the NFL. So I feel like we've got this connection. I still am going to lean the AJ Brown side. I'm going to go with in honor of Lawrence Taylor. Go with 50. Oh, no, so that would be 56% AJ Brown. So I can't do simple math. 44% Devonta Smith. What was the number? 40. If I could do my Rathorite. 44%. 44% on the Devonta Smith side. Bob, do you think the actual answer is over or under Jay's guess of 44%? I mean, this should be a multi-variable equation here. We should have values. We should include draft prices. I don't know. This is, you know, we're comparing different things here. I mean, I think if going at their going price was part of this, it'd be a different answer.  Over? You think more people will take the Devonta Smith side than Jay's guess of 44%? Yeah. 45 or more. There we go. Joey, are you following Bob on this? Are you taking the over? Are you taking the under? We're the one over way under. Bob and I were walking on a path together, but we have reached that fork in the path. I'm going to take the under on this. I don't think that the general public is on the Devonta Smith side yet. I see Bob and I seem to be kind of get, Bob might be there. I'm not exactly there yet, but man, I'm getting there. I'm climbing the mountain. I'm like at the 13,000 mark of the 14er, like I'm getting there. So let's, Bob hit the nail on the head. It's with the draft capital at where they're going. Give me Devonta Smith all day. Oh, absolutely. I'm happy to wait on Devonta Smith. People want to take you around first. Yeah. It's going to be under for me. That way under. Good guess. Just under. Just under for Joey. We had some guesses in the chat. Geek went with 60%. Wow. Dane with 38%. Mr. Scamper said gross, Simon. Did I see something gross? Oh, could you guys hear my fart? Is that what happened? I know what I can smell it. Albert said 45%. He said 33%. DJ and Graham both coming in with 37%. Right. Right. And Michael coming in with a prediction. Say more people will be on the AJ Brown side, but they will be wrong. I think I gave the wrong answer, but I agree with that. They're with you, Bob. Michael's agreeing with you. Well, the actual percentage of people that chose Devonta Smith over AJ Brown for who they would rather have in dynasty was 32%. Wow. They, you're within 15 percentage points. So you're going to get one point. Joe, you're going to get two for correctly picking the other under, but that was, uh, it was even a little bit higher than I thought it was going to be. The perception that the perception switch on Devonta Smith this season has been one of the more extreme ones. Bob, it sounds like you're already fully on the Devonta Smith side. Tell us a little bit about why you prefer Devonta Smith over AJ Brown. I feel like I'm always on the cutting edge of this industry.  And I thought it was a little more even. I think they've both been, you know, well over 25, I want to say 28 is the number of the sticks in my head. I couldn't run, but Smith has been phenomenal. AJ Brown is like high and gave Davis like totally boom and bust. I guess they both are a little bit, but, you know, and I'd be, I'd happily take either one of them. I'm just hoping, you know, again, looking for a discount. And I think you'll get that with Smith. And I didn't factor that into my reckoning here. Joey. You said you're, you're getting ever so close to the Devonta Smith over AJ Brown, just in a vacuum and value. You're already there. Yeah, value. I've been there. I mean, it's absolutely a carbon copy of cause I'm a bucks fan and I wanted to get a bucks receiver this year and going into drafts. I'm like, all right, the value's right. I'll take whichever one goes second. And the year before that it was the, which one goes third with AJ, uh, with Antonio Brown. Cause I love where I was getting Antonio Brown. Now he wanted to romp the field. It was first six weeks. He looked really good. Um, but yeah, it's just like the buck situation of last year. I'm going to wait for the second guy. Um, if trends continue, I wouldn't be shocked to see, um, both Smith and AJ Brown as top 15 wide receiver picks. And some of those drafts Smith go before AJ Brown, especially on draft with Bob. We'll see you as we get closer to the season. I'm curious to see how this plays out of bed. It ends up in a scenario where like they're within four or five picks of each other ADP wise by the time the season rolls around. Like we've seen with Mike Evans and Chris Godwin before where those guys, you could flip flop, which one gets drafted first in most drafts. Well, after that question, Jay, you've bumped up your score, the monstrous amount of one point up to three at and Joey, you guys are tied at nine points a piece. So it is nine to nine to three. There's a chance. There's always a chance. Scampers in here was the closest on that one with 33% only one percentage point away. So the streak continues. We had a question from DJ in here before we move on to our next one. He wants to know our thoughts on Frank Reich going to the Panthers and hack it to the jet. So let's start with that Panthers at coaching job. Bob, do you think this is a good hire for the Panthers? Seems uninspiring to me. Honestly, I mean, you know, not that I think Frank Reich was the reason the Colts were having issues, but also, you know, just at some point, the retreads grow old to me. And it just seems like this is a retread. I get it.  He's had lots of practice. I don't know that he's developed any of them, but he's worked with a number of them. So perhaps that's going to be the value to him. I'm a little disappointed in the hire. I'll be honest with you. Not wouldn't have been my choice. I would have preferred Wilkes to him. Honestly. I really thought Wilkes was going to get it. I said this morning on our show that Wilkes seemed like the, like the clear choice for where that Panthers team was at, but I don't necessarily think it's a bad hire. Jay, I'm curious. How do you feel about it? Not bad. Uninspiring. Yeah. It's, it's, it's all right. I was, I was hoping that we'd go with Wilkes. You know, he had the locker room. The players were lobbing for him to get the job. He did a great job. I mean, he turned the team around without Christian McAfrey. And he had, I grew a beard on Sam Darnold's face, which everybody thought was impossible. And they went six and six under him. So I mean, I really thought it was going to be Steve Wilkes. It's fine. I don't think. Right. Is great. I don't think he's bad. I saw somebody talking about it on Twitter. Have you seen the, the meme where it's the grandfather holding up a Christmas present of a shirt and see exact same shirt that he's wearing? That's basically what they did with replacing. What was the coach? I can't even think of his name right now. Um, Matt rule. Matt rule. Yep. Yeah. I mean, it's just more of the same. Yeah. Before we move on to our next poll, one more question from taking care of business. What's up taking care of business? They came in and said, Mike Evans seems done. What you draft him, Joey, I want to throw this one to you. Our bucks being here. Do you think Mike Evans is done? He only just had his 9,000 yard season in a row. No, no, he's going to go. He's going to get 10,000 yard seasons in a row. He's good. That's going to be his, his way into Canton. It's got a Super Bowl ring. Um, listen, I, I'm a Homer pick on Mike Evans. Um, if Brady's gone and it's Kyle Trask, I'm worried. If they bring in Derek Carr, Mike Evans is not done if he stays. I, I, that's, we've, we've kind of been going around like who would the bucks bring in if Brady leaves Derek Carr's who I want the most. I really do. Cause I don't think Rogers would come. I'm not here for the blank gavers game. Yeah. Not at all. And as much as the Gator fan I am, please don't let Kyle Trask be the quarterback of the bucks. Please. It's an earnest bag from Joey on that one. I'm with you, Joey. I don't think Mike Evans is done. And we've seen him do it with not Tom Brady. I feel like people like, oh, but he's not going to have Tom Brady next year. I'm getting that the first five times he did it were without Tom Brady. Um, he can get it done with a below average quarterback in that offense. Well, Bob, we're going to move on to our next poll. Are you ready for your second poll in this game? I'd like a couple of minutes, please. Go ahead. Here we go. PPR dynasty. Side A. Kyler Murray. Side B. Sean Watson. What percentage of people chose side A Kyler Murray in this poll? The PPR is really important. Right. He picked some good ones. Yeah, he did. There were some tricky ones out there. People start asking the tough questions in the off season.  I mean, people look beyond that, but, you know, don't know who the coach is going to be. Don't know who the pieces are around him. I have a better feeling of Deshaun Watson, who started to look slightly Deshaun Watson-ish towards the end of the season. I'm going to go 49. 49% on the Kyler Murray side. Joey, what do you think here? Over or under? Way over or way under, Bob's guess, a 49%. I'm going to go under. I think Bob picked a really good number, though. I think Watson, I'm in a dynasty start up right now, and Watson went about 10 picks before Kyler Murray. And I was shocked that Kyler was still sitting there. And I know he's not going to be back, but it's dynasty. He's not going to be back for the beginning of 2023. Did they say how long he's going to be into the season, like three or four weeks, maybe? You know, just based on when he was hurt. It could be October. Okay. So for his dynasty value, it's not, you know, it doesn't put him in the ground, but I'm going to, yeah, I'm slightly under for Kyler Murray. Is that right? Correct. Watson's going to win this out more than what Bob thinks. So that would be the under. Are you taking the under here? Yes. What about you, Jay? Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything Joey said. I think it's really great pick. I think that way Watson looked at the end of the year, Murray with the injury. I think people are going to be slightly down on. Well, we got 49% from Bob, the double under from you guys. We've got some questions in the chat or some answers in the chat. Geek coming in with 55%. Dane was 64%. DJ with 99.99. Grim fan with a hundred percent. Scampers was 77%. They're all like call of duty partners with Kyler Murray or something. TCOB taking care of business with 67%. Michael agree on with 67% on the Murray side, but following it up with Murray is trash. Well guys, the actual percentage of people that chose Kyler Murray in this poll was 54%. Bob, you're within five percentage points. You've done it again where you get within five and then these guys take the over when it is in fact an under that's going to earn you an additional five points and your opponents get nothing giving you a nice little lead of 14 to nine to three. Let's see who in the chat was close on that one. I think we had Grim. Geek was a very close. I knew somebody was pretty close. 85%. One percentage point off for Geek and Geek was even closer than that. We round here and this was at 54.4%. So an additional .1 and you would have been exactly right, Geek. Nice job, Bob. That's bringing up your score. Before we move on though, I know we had some questions in the chat. Mr. Scampers wanted to know, would you rather have the second Eagles wide receiver or the second Finns wide receiver? Jay, so this is Jalen Waddle or Devonta Smith? Who would you rather have on your fantasy team? Love both guys, but it's Waddle for me and it's not close. I think Waddle is more of a 1A to Tyreek versus, I think I love Devonta Smith, but I feel like he's just a little bit of a tier below Waddle. Is this where your Devonta Smith love comes grinding into a hole to resume? It doesn't come, I think it's pretty close, but I probably lean to Waddle as well. I think he's a slightly better player, quarterback situation. We'll see how that, but I think that's part of this. Again, these are all multivariable kind of situations that we don't have all the information we need to do this. But let's assume the status quo and Tua continues playing, it would easily be Waddle. Plus the touchdown dance. I mean, that puts him over the edge for me. Best of the NFL. Also Geek hippie in here with the team, Bob. And scamper saying the streak stays aligned. Yeah, it's kind of wild. Every poll you've had someone be 1% point off. Not exactly, but the chat has been 1% point off on every single poll so far. There's something interesting that just happened there. Are we sure that Waddle is the wide receiver too on that team going into next year? That is interesting. We talked a little bit about it with A.J. Brown and Devonta Smith, but I could be Tyreek Hill. Are you leaning that way, Joey? In Dynasty, I'm taking Waddle over Hill. I mean, that's easy to do. But when does that shift happen? Is it middle of next season? Is it just next season? I think it's coming sooner rather than later. I mean, when Tyreek Hill stops looking like Tyreek Hill, I'll start sitting up in that dude. Oh my god. Just still sometimes he's out there and I watch it and I forget how good and how fast Tyreek Hill is. And then you just like, dude doesn't lost a step. It doesn't seem like not yet, but you're right, Joey. Players like that is for some that rely on their speed. It comes at you fast all of a sudden, usually. That decline happens. I'm not hating on Tyreek Hill, by the way. I'm just... I think you kind of were, though, on Waddle more than anything. Well, while he throws me, he can't answer. Maybe I'm gonna go... Joey hates Tyreek Hill. Put it in. Everyone knows. Tweet it out, everybody. Tweet it out. Here, Joey, say he dropped Damien Pierce over Tyreek Hill. Can't believe he said that. Also, DJ, we didn't answer the second part of his question earlier, and Nathaniel Hackett is going to be the new offensive coordinator for the Jets. Bob, does that move the needle for this Jets' offense for you? Zero percent. No, it probably moves it the other way. He's been horrible. He's been horrible as an offensive coordinator unless he's been with Aaron Rodgers. I realize that the obvious implication here that goes with this, I don't even know. He wasn't even calling the plays, though. The good years with Aaron Rodgers. So I'm not keen on this. Go back and look at his time in Jacksonville and it hasn't been great. What about you, Jay? Does this do anything for you? I think it's obviously the Jets trying to lure Aaron Rodgers. And you know who was also an offensive coordinator for Aaron Rodgers? Ben Macadoo. That's all I got to say is Ben Macadoo. There we go. Also, he's going to Carolina. No, wait, Ben finally leaves. Taking care of business coming in, letting us know they think Tyreek Hill at the end of his career will still be a top five fastest player in the league. That he doesn't think that speed's going anywhere.  Me neither. And I've issued many challenges. He beat me. Joey, myself and Tyreek Hill are in a group DM where every day Joey and I just issue video challenges to Tyreek Hill in different locations. No, never. Does he respond? He leaves us on red all the time. It's just so rude. He sees them all. He sees them all. Well guys, we're going to move into our next poll. This is the last poll before the final round. Joey, this one is coming your way. Are you ready for this poll? Yeah, I got to knock this one out of the park because I got to catch up to Bob. I can let him go over the five point lead at the break here, but I can't. No more than that. So I got to do good on this one. Well, here we go, Joey. PPR Dynasty. Side A is Devo Samuel. Side B is Jameson Williams. What percentage of people chose Devo Samuel in this poll? I don't think the people are there yet on Jameson Williams. It's where he would win this poll. I'm going to go 62% Devo Samuel. 62% on the Devo Samuel side, Jay. What's up, Joey? Well, and a lot of this is because I answered the FYF's YouTube comments, and we've had a lot of 49ers faithful in there lately. Appreciate all of you being in there. A lot of love for Devo. A lot. Jay, are you agreeing with what Joey's throwing down here? For this one, his answer was 62%, right, Joey? Yeah, 62. 62. Jay, do you think over, under, way over, way under, or Queen B on Joey's guess? I need to take a shot with a way over or way under. I just have to decide which one I want to go. Because I could see people being upset with Devo not being able to stay on the field. Everybody's enamored with the Detroit Lions, rightfully. So I think Jameson Williams. I just trade forward with Dynasty as well. Man. I'm going to take, I'm going to go with the way over. I think that's my best shot at hitting one of those. Jay's taking the way over. Bob, what are you doing here? Well, I'm not dominating here. I would take the way over too, but I'm just going to take you over. I just think nobody's caught up with Jameson Williams. And there are things to like about him. And not the least of which is, you know, seems like maybe Jared Goff's a guy unless he's not. I don't know. I don't think he's the guy. I think he's done a fine job there. And I think there'll be some loyalty, but you never know. It's the NFL. But yeah, I'm going to take, Devo Samuel is the right answer and over. So we got a way over from Jay and over from Bob on Joey's guess of 62%. We had some guesses in the chat on this one. Dame with 77. Geet coming in with 65%. DJ with 43%. Albert coming in with 65. Michael saying 75% Devo. Scampers with 72%. And taking care of business with 64%. Saying a lot of people don't even know who Williams is. Huge Devo stat. Devo's got that name recognition. Well, the percentage of people that chose Devo Samuel over Jameson Williams in this poll was 69%. So Jay, unfortunately no points for you. You're going to stay right where you are. Bob, you're getting the points for the over. And Joey, seven percentage points away, which means you're going to get three points in this one. I'll take it. Closing the gap. Had to take my shot. Just enough to pull out the victory. That's what I needed to do. That's what you did with that one. So Bob, you're going to move up to 16. Joey, you now have 12 points. And Jay, you're staying put at three. Not a great day for me, but it's all right. I'm hanging out with At and that's good enough for me. It's good enough. It does all right. It does all right. We had some questions here in the chat before we get into our final round. So sir, get warmed up. Get warmed up for that last question. Before we do that, Grandfay and Hamilton know. Do we think Christian Watson should be a rookie of the year candidate? So Bob, looking at the rookie of the year candidates, do you think Christian Watson should be considered there? No. No. No, no, no. You need to be more extended. If he has those breeze hall. Yeah. That's a great point. Similar number of games where they showed up like that. Joey, it looks like you're full agreeing with Bob here. I was about to say, if we're going to take Christian Watson's six great games, we'll take breeze hall six great games. Um, it's. Bree's all should be in there over party to be honest, but honestly, the rookie of the year this year should be Travis ETN. Like he did not play a down of football in the regular season last year. I'm all in on that narrative. It's not like baseball. It doesn't work like that. He should be. So give it to Garrett Wilson and just move on. And then we'll just move forward. I think if Brock Purdy wins that, like, come on, man, like, I'd rather Kenneth Walker one than, uh, than Brock Purdy at this point. Me too. Uh, the players that played a whole season, and I think, uh, fully contributed to their team success. I like what Purdy's done. He's, he's been awesome, but he can't. He might have been doing a good job holding that clipboard and getting the water. You know, so we don't know that. So we shouldn't judge Simon. We should not judge. Who was the closest in the chat on that one? The answer was 69%. I'll say 66, I think. 60. Yeah. We had 65 from Albert and 65 from hippie as well. And 64 from taking care of business and taking care of business said, I didn't want to be bad and say that.  So it's surprising. We have really Brock is not here. Yeah. I get here. Brock now 69. Every single one. Yeah, exactly. You guys heard the Justin, you guys heard the Justin Jefferson stat, right? Who is career at this point on first down? He has 69 first down receptions on second down. He has 69 first down receptions. And on third down, he has 69 first down receptions. He is Brock's favorite player. He's got to be at this point. First, second and third down, 69 first down receptions across all three of those. Nice. Just got to get that number up on four things. It's not quite there yet. We are going to move into our final poll here. We've got one more poll. It works a little bit different than all of our other ones. Instead of singing a number out loud and doing over under all of our contestants are going to write a number down either on a piece of paper or on their phone. Whoever is the closest out of our three contestants will get the points. If there's a tie, they're going to split them. If you get it exactly right, you will get 10 points. I'm going to throw the poll up there. Give you guys about 30 seconds to come up with your answers and then we will reveal and determine who the winner of today's show is. Okay. Here is your final poll. Don't we have to guess the percentage first or no? Oh wait. Before you see the poll. Let's do it. I was in jeopardy mode where we had to bid the money before. Sorry guys. I can't do any worse than I am. So I might as well. Here is the final poll. Which team wins a Super Bowl first? Side A, the Detroit Lions or side B, the Buffalo Bills. What percentage of people said the Detroit Lions in this poll? It's coming to you from Twitter. Joey's exasperation with this one. One, it's rude and how cute do people want to get is basically what I'm trying to think. How is it rude? Also, Michael, you're saying Geek out here killing it. Geek has been killing it this game in here. Also, take care of business wants to know do they take playoff performance into consideration for rookie of the year and those awards or the ballots already in? Other sports is just regular season. I'm not 100% sure. Do you guys know when those ballots are submitted? If it's pre or post-post season? I think it's pre-season. Pre-post season. The list just came out, didn't they? Yeah. They haven't awarded them yet? I think they're not supposed to take in the post-season, but they... Maybe that's what it is. It's kind of taken into account. That probably is. If the post-season is not supposed to be factored in, I don't think Brock Purdy is on the list. I agree. I think it's an award that's meant for the regular season, but because of the timing, it's hard to take the post-season out of it. Voting for each award is done before the playoff start. Huh. Interesting. Boop-boop. Beautiful. Also, scampers in here saying such a mean poll. But when did you do this poll? Why did you do this poll? Yesterday. Okay. So the bill spans will be super disappointed. The line spans are like increasingly optimistic. All right. I'm there. I got it. Here we go. Let's look at some of these answers in the chat. We got geek hippie with 35%, Michael with 53%, DJ with 83%, Lions, grandma 61, scampers with 39, Dame with 24. Okay, Dave. Well, guys, let's go ahead and reveal your answers. What do we got from you guys? We got 28 from Joey. 25 from Jay and Bob. What do you have written down there? 39? 33%. I'm going to lose this. 33, 28 and 25. Joey, you're in a nice little sandwich there. I know, but there's not much room for me. No, that's what I'm saying. You don't have much room to operate in that sandwich that they put you in. Well, the actual percentage of people that said the Detroit Lions would win a Super Bowl before the Buffalo Bills do was 45%. Bob, you're going to add another five points and walk away the clear winner in this game with a final score of 21 for Bob, 12 for Joey and 3, 4, Jay. Jay, if there were seven of you, you could have tied, Bob. Right. Right. But the real winner is the friends who made along the way. The real winner is Bob. Bob, congratulations. Thank you. Appreciate that. How does it feel? Anybody you want to think? I want to thank all you guys for having me on. I love what you do. I love you as people. No, anybody important. Nobody important. Nobody important. Okay, cool. Cool. Wasn't sure if there was anyone important you wanted to throw out there. No day, Mr. Scampers, Grimfan, DJ, Michael, JL. The chat, the chat celebrating with you geek with the Bob Dame with the Bob cleaning up Mr. Scampers with the Bravo Bob and Michael with that at a boy baby Bob at a baby Bob, not at a baby Bob. Say that again, Simon. Good. At a baby Bob. What a baby Bob Harris looked like. I'm really cute. Very similar to old Bob Harris. The goatee was darker. Just imagined you as a Funko Pop for some reason. And now I need a Bob Harris Funko Pop. I just feel like that's a necessity I need on my shelf back there. Look at some of those made. David, you're saying excellent show, gents. Thank you, Dave. And take care of business and Dan Campbell effect. Getting the votes on this one. Nice kneecaps y'all. Yeah, it's the way to do it. It's a Michael and you're saying the bills won't win. Josh Allen is Philip Rivers.   That's, it's, well, I have to bring them back. I have to bring them back. Yeah. Joey wants that rematch over here. Well guys, that's going to be it for us today. Thank you for everybody in the chat who came in and hung out with us. Always a blast. You guys make this a lot more fun than it would be if it was just us hanging out here. So we really appreciate it. We'll be live tomorrow morning, myself, John Luke and our friend, Andrew Cooper over on the front yard fantasy morning show on our YouTube channel. That front yard fantasy or on the BSN apps. Come hang out with us bright and early from seven to 10 a.m. Eastern time tomorrow. Until then though, we are out of here. Bob, thank you again for coming on everyone in the chat. Thank you so much and Joey and Jay. Until tomorrow though, we are out of here. Adios everyone. Bye everybody. Happy rumble week. Happy what? I said happy rumble weekend DJ.