in if you're cooking right you try the dish again and it's like yeah no it's pretty good but you know don't you know you need to I don't know reduce this a little bit more or yeah you know maybe try this combination put a little bit more salt in it you know the efforts I've been putting into saying like you know the most important element of the critic is the integrity it's like similarly to an artist you might argue the most important thing is their integrity as an artist and I guess what I would say as a comparison to make this so very clear to the guy who made the video is that if you're presented with a guy who's like check this out I made you know um I'm trying to think of an elaborate way to be critical of food as a critic and you know like I have actually managed to cook up you know a version of their own food kind of like what Rami did right and and if it was presented as this is my critic format I take the food they gave me taste it if I think it's wrong I then re cook a lot of what they gave me to prove that even with the ingredients after they've been cooked I can make something that's much better you know what I'm trying to infuse is an artist right and then the comparison is that there's another guy who throws the plate onto the table and then unrolls a bunch of potatoes and puts like you know some mud on them it's just like this is different try it and it's like who of these two is the one that took them all risks or had more creativity and it's like well the critic obviously isn't because he's just you know fucking around but the artist look at this look at this poop with potatoes I just oh wow and I just hate potatoes and at that point it's just like depressing and you're actually like damaging what could be great critics from you know taking on their artistry and pursuing their careers and dreams just because you want to like sell the critics themselves a parasitic or you know it's just lame it gets around then it sounds like your critic does risk something they get risk being called a parasite I still like I almost want an answer from him what does it mean when someone watches the finale for Game of Thrones and then criticizes all the plot holes and then the second half of the video is rewriting it at their own whim of what the story should be is that now criticism and art or they separated as a criticism but while they're doing it they're painting like this incredible landscape you know like that's their footage while they're shitting on you know Game of Thrones and they make something beautiful yeah a happy little tree you know while they're talking about it because like sometimes I actually believe unfortunately that there are people who think like like Chris Duckman that his format is like the scope of criticism and that's it and it's like dude yeah it's like the shit criticism there's so much amazing shit out there part of the thing with Chris Duckman is that he's clearly trying to make sure he's on the good side of people in the film industry such that like he could work with them because that's what he wants to do because there's a taboo in a lot of the entertainment industry about openly negatively criticizing other people's work if you're in the industry I've always hated it because it seems like a sort of I don't know like a culture of sense a culture of censorship to a degree like all these people have negative opinions of movies but it's just like oh don't talk about it because that person might take it personally and then they'll never work in this town again or something you know what I mean you've never worked in this town again never well and of course I've been treating the statements and actions and creations from Chris is genuine but yes you could assume that a lot of what he said in the recent years because he's he's realized quickly there's like I mean it's not much of a coincidence is it that he makes a video about how we should be nicer to directors when he starts properly like directing how curious I don't know I find it so valuable so much of his work though it's just so funny to me that you don't need to watch his videos anymore because if he's talking about it he liked it because he doesn't talk about things he doesn't like well and I was about to say well you can find out the reasons like I mean usually half of his video is just saying what the thing was it's not really directed by this person and it was wow I don't know if he often says who was written by you know just a summary of like facts about the film rather than I think it was his Hill House review where it was staggering he talks about Mike Flanagan made it Mike Flanagan also made all these things I like Mike Flanagan Hill House stars this person who was also in this and then and then you're like wait a minute there's only a third of the video left what the fuck you haven't even talked about what it is like what the how does this work yeah and being someone responsible enough to defend something that is different but also valuable it is through so why not just valuable why do we have to throw the different pardon it's like I said he comes into this video with a premise but he didn't state the premise at the beginning so he just assumes we all agree with that premise that we're judging new harshly yeah failure to make sure that what's in your mind you got to make sure it goes into other people's minds you know what you're thinking like you said yes do the talking through the critics breath of knowledge and expertise of why something is genuinely good that empowers the trust in their voice but importantly it's like he's almost there isn't it he needs to think about this a little longer and then you'll come to the conclusion like wait it is all about it being good and bad it's not actually it's funny because that's where he started he was like it's not just about good and bad it's about new but every time he talks about new he also qualifies that's good though like so it's about good and bad I don't like this idea that you know if anyone out there focuses all of their criticism they devote an entire channel to singing the praises of the Lord of the Rings movies or something like that that they're missing half the puzzle because they're not going out to hunt down new things to also praise if they're good you know if you just focus on old things you're not really a critic because you're missing half the puzzle it's like what are you talking about yes I don't I think you could never do that and still be a good critic it's all about that scope shit I was talking about where it's like you know it depends on what they're trying to achieve with the video itself or the whatever format it is like you know is the guy who only talks about Lord of the Rings better than the guy who talks about all the film it's like well but there's a different goal there there's different things that are happening be the critic's willingness to lend their voice towards something that they recognize as being genuinely good even if others are scared to see it something that challenges current perceptions on what is art but that the critic can see for them I feel like that's just jumped in here when it hasn't been set up at all what is art yep you haven't done any groundwork for that that's that's a whole new thing a whole new paradigm selves will become something of great value in the future because it breaks the old ways of thinking for the better this is the only way something new can be discovered and what leads to word of mouth spreading this is the only way this is through critics don't know about that words are you just saying it's the only way through it being cheered yeah if you look at that point critics in the general sense of word of mouth yeah but at that point that's like saying it being shared is the only way for it to be shared yeah okay it's a little like that yeah about something different that people should try there needs to be someone bold enough to start the process because when someone recommends something you haven't seen before or talks about a new idea opinion or even just a social trend you in turn are about to discover something that is new and potentially good so this is kind of running back I think someone mentioned this as well as like the people at beginning of the video I don't know all the ones I'm familiar with I don't know any of them and there are people I don't like from that selection who I still think recommend things that are off you know against the grain or off the mainstream mm-hmm I don't know that this is a problem um as long as their reviews are good yeah that's kind of the key well someone that doesn't get acknowledged the so fucking true is the you're the stad of all the things that are released in mainstream these loads I don't even know exist yeah imagine how like is one of whatever even the most popular movies probably the case that even the most popular movies less than half of anyone has seen them there's a lot of stuff out there either and so when someone recommends you know a fucking a movie I'm trying to think of what would be a good example here like something that's mainstream but loads of people just haven't seen there's a lot of people they're like really the second busin boots movie I'm like no it's actually is really really good the lord of the rings I guess I'm super mainstream I mean super mainstream made about 20 years ago a lot I just a lot of people haven't seen and that's the thing I feel like it's the it's another form of cynical to be like you know what do you recommend someone goes Lord the Rings trilogy and you go of course you recommend that then some other guys like well I haven't seen it and then it's like oh well yeah good then go see it now now that you know about it and then that same dude is like oh well do you recommend something that most people aren't aware of and it's like that guy wasn't aware of it it's important that he should be made aware of it it's really fucking good yeah and then like it comes across as like snooty right it's like I don't like that you're recommending things I recognize like okay I'll do better next something that might I get the feeling that uh this isn't the topic that wanted to be I might be like pushing boundaries but this isn't the topic that this guy wanted to talk about because he keeps randomly diverting to talking about not art he keeps talking about like people and their personalities and social stuff it feels like he wanted to talk about that found a movie about art and then he keeps making non sequiturs to it it was just really frustrating no yeah I think you're right there's um we need some redraft and in this video is what I've discovered because is um I'll be overly critical now okay there's a core that's working and he's understood a lot about Ratatouille I just feel like there's a lot that he's missing and my god other side of the coin flip that coin look on the other side there's stuff on there be different somewhere in this video he has a line where he's you know artists in the creation of their art offer a piece of themselves and that's probably what he's using to like sort of go off into that territory but like I agree he shouldn't be spending too much time over there but also fun and something that eventually might become the new norm it is only in this way that risking to think differently that can truly make an impact it is only in this way that I believe should be the highest ambition and ideal for any critic for any medium now highest ambition for any medium and critic is integrity as far as I'm concerned make sure you stay true to yourself and the work itself I'm including like the accuracy part of that essentially in that this is the um I don't I don't care if you'd want to cover nothing but films with algeval snigger in it that's fine you go you do you just make sure you keep that spirit intact um and if someone else says like no they need to watch standalone films too I'm like no man they can just do sure snigger if they want that's okay try something new this is exactly what Anton realizes and expresses in his speech he comes to the sobering acknowledgement of who he is as a person and of the worst part of being a critic the very fact that a critic risks very little compared to the role of the artist and that the average piece of junk an artist can make will sustain more meaning than any criticism that he could conjure up with especially the irony of that this whole section that he's drawing that from is criticism is Anton criticizing himself he's just repeating the dialogue from the scene as if it's gospel but like that scene is flawed the scene is flawed like new things that is as a critic I once went to this this poetry over my slam thing in London um which is where you get to hear all lots of different people with their brand new ideas and the amount of sheer horror on displays is quite impressive like there's one person who stood up and said so I've been thinking a lot about words and you know like they connect together and just proceed to spend five minutes just reading off a list of random disconnected words and then fighting the audience to make a connection between them themselves according to that poetry now if you're a critic and you want to try and explain what makes art work what makes art not work they what are the great examples to look back to are you going to go to something like that or are you going to go and read I don't know wh ordinary houseman or someone who actually knows what they're talking about well which will be somebody who is old and established a load of new stuff is just meaningless garbage it's not and the critic will be much better served by and actually offer something much more valuable to the world by ignoring that and in favor in favor of understanding what about the old stuff really you know makes it click true not boo and piss what's the opposite of boo and piss yay and pee no here's who come he doesn't come yeah okay he doesn't come yeah he doesn't come to you he doesn't come yeah you weren't this makes more sense the more you think about it because how many famous critics like dud and cruga it does make sense and then it's going to not make any sense the longer you go it's like man this fits everything and then you're like wait a minute it doesn't fix you remember and how many famous hold on can we rewind that just a second sure man boop boop boop boop boop this makes more sense the more you think about it because how many famous critics do you remember and how many famous artists can you name that i don't think that's a good example that's not fair like that's not a fairy yeah um i don't even know that you don't have to conclude from that the artists are worth more inherently because of that you could also you could include you could conclude sorry how many famous firefighters are there like i know that you could be like yeah i was about to make surgeons even if you wanted to focus in on creativity there are a lot of people who just don't get known yeah famous contributors i know one favorite famous camera man yeah yeah this is a fucking horrible point how many people could name famous animators like compared to naming actors and then of course how many and what what are we to make of that what is the implication there that you know more actors than you do animators of the very right for sure of the very generously delivered if the world could actually name one percent of directors that are really great by the way as well that's another qualifier i'll throw in what does that mean about the other 99 percent that they're not with while yeah what is the moral message here as well was that you know if something is new and unfamiliar and different then it's intrinsically more valuable than something that's very familiar to you in which case if you know fewer critics critics are probably more important your critics really fucking funny too is the and i'm gonna point this at you if ab chat a lot of people in there they could probably name more critics the directors if it's potentially depends on how much time they spend on youtube like they might be able to have a youtube component yeah and then what does that mean the the critics of Ovali like what a stupid metric that annoyed me a little bit this point that fame any activity that comes with fame usually has a face attached to it and usually that face is it everyone included or the even sometimes the most important person a lot of times that face is like the 27th most important person well so like i said how many people could name like animators a lot like it's not often that people know of animators but like what what are we what are we implying because we don't know people's names yeah like next to animators you could have gone your amount of vfx artists that welcome these fucking mario absolutely yeah just get lost in a mad crowd i guess we don't care about them now they're not as artistic but the thing that fucks me off about this is like you could have come to the alternative conclusion which is that wow how unfair the critics don't get to be remembered as much as the artists even though they're adding a lot to the world to direct people to important artworks that they have artists works in the form of their review and it's like and nobody gives a shit because it's not seen as artistic which is part of the problem but instead he's concluded well there you go they're not very valuable are they it's like wow twist the knife why don't you history is not kind to critics because we as a society largely focus on great creations that come from great artists fuck you i have something to say about that that was a bad person that's that's sort of sorry but like sorry critics out there you don't make work that's greatly valued sorry you just don't it's like okay bud how many production designers can you name ah see history's not very kind of production designers because they don't make works of people value it's like no we do we just don't know their name we watch movies and go wow that's a great movie not everything that has value comes with fame it doesn't work like that yeah who invented the potato was it god like who even knows it was a very good reason for that these artists have dared to discover and find something new shut up like there are a lot of artists who dare to discover that's not even don't get remembered yeah well i was going to say the the key to being remembered as a director isn't making something new it's making something fucking great that's gonna be the key and even then even then you might not you might not well yeah well that so this is the other thing most people know the names of really shit directors too what does that mean how many people know who directed the lion king how many people could actually tell you who directed it despite many people saying it's like one of their favorite films well i don't even know then they don't know animation directors people don't know their names and then how many people know who directed oh i gotta be careful what i pick here actually how many people know who michael bay is a lot of people well i was gonna say like the room does everyone know who directed the room that it's like a lot of people do and it's like does that mean the room is fucking great like no but uh i don't know man like what what an ill-advised conclusion how have you not noticed at this point that your thinking is a little uh holy something different and to be valued this is the artist's noble ideal and it should be the same ideal for critics you know what sucks too is that like he's managed to convince himself that the artist's role is new and like creative when there should be a space in culture for artists that provide you something familiar and comforting and that they're important as well i don't know why we don't value those who like if you want to see a story of someone overcoming great odds in a very like well-known like i said heroes journey type thing there's nothing wrong with that the implication that's like you fucker you should be getting you should be desiring new experiences like what if i want that experience because of the fact it's so valuable to me a lot of creative people are just temperamentally inclined towards new experiences and they think that's all creativity is and they look down on anything that isn't that like oh you're just making paintings that you know people with no taste buy to put up in their apartments or something like that i'm doing i'm putting a banana on the wall that's new i'm familiar with that is an art installation but that's so funny like somebody's just doing that in their house so just just i'm putting bananas on my walls for years and no one ever gave me that's on the back for no one ever gave me fame but uh i don't know if you know jod but the the the previous 251 we covered a video that talked about an art installation that was blank canvases oh right yeah it went for a lot of money too uh it's the kind of shit that's just like okay this is a joke and that's the point of it right it's gotta be when someone dropped their glasses i think it was in an art gallery and they fell into a corner and everyone assumed they were an installation and started taking pictures of lost property it's like it's not art or creation but if you compare you know going back to the actual great artists the ones people actually remember the chances are they've spent the majority of their life learning older styles in order to innovate innovate off of those so any great renaissance painter spent years and years and years learning the styles of the old masters before they became what they did with that same thing with cinema like the most popular directors you know whether or not you think they make good stuff i think james cameron has a pretty patchy record but he's incredibly popular what is titanic what's basically romeo and juliet on a ship it's an old form in a new medium but the form itself is ancient and knowing that ancient form and it's enduring popularity is what allowed him to make such a wildly successful product the most great artists are not bold like inventors who create brand new things they just find no uses for all things and i think that's best accentuated by john williams going back to oh yeah uh goose stuff halts right like you would be among others someone could say like he's a fucking filthy ripoff or they could say he's inspired drives me nuts yeah let's think oh god that tries to be fucking up the wall if someone in a hundred years from now makes a story about a farm kid who wants to explore the galaxy at his sci-fi fantasy world a defeat like an overwhelming force like this is just fucking star wars like where it might be it might also be completely like original when considered alongside all the other elements that are involved in it like you gotta calm the fuck down that can be new as well the something that comes up a lot when we talk about different things the difference between ripoff and inspiration is complicated i'll admit the thing the very thing that makes john williams the most memorable probably of all the composers is you know that the use of the light motive but the light motive he you trace that back to monteverde and however many centuries ago that was and like it hasn't changed much in the basic form and idea of the thing but he thought well let's apply this much more rigorously and classically to film soundtrack and lo and behold he creates the compositions that accompany the best known works of film and in large part they're the best known because they have some of the best and most memorable soundtracks to them it's a really old idea but he just applies it in new ways also can i reverse engineer what he said in this video to chatify critics he basically said these guys work tirelessly to you know express themselves in their art form knowing they won't be remembered for it and good on you lads keep at it everyone's gonna shit on them for being mean but they do it anyway yeah meanwhile the artists of the world like i'm gonna get famous yeah and i'm that's why i'm doing it be while the critics know they can't get famous so they must be in it for the art form while we mine it makes me sorry go ahead no i just made it through on go ahead oh that's sorry i was just thinking of like fashion shows and i'm like that's a realm where maybe people should be not trying so hard to come up with something new because it feels like every outfit is just like trying everything that's conventional all the standards that develop for like film review to the average person maybe sounds as alien as it does to us when someone comes out dressed as like a half-eaten fish that is like oh that that's fashion like it is it's like i can't explain to you the decades of analysis the the fashion theory that would explain this but yes it's good you're like all right well they say that fashion is clothes that are meant to be more observed than they are worn right and i'm like that doesn't make sense to any other artistic merit because music is meant to be listened to film is meant to be watched like so people are like well you don't look at a picture then judge it on how on its use i'm like its uses i'm supposed to look at it like if you're if you're taking clothes and you're assigning a different function or not not assigning a different function but getting rid of one of its primary functions it being worn that that doesn't make any sense to me but maybe i'm just overly critical or out of time the image i was thinking of was that black latex thing that sam smith wore uh relatively recently where it's just like it's so ridiculous if you haven't seen yeah it's like bulging in all these weird places like it's inflated with air and it's like like you were saying like it goes totally against the function of clothing like you wouldn't wear that like so what so what is the point it's like deliberately trying to look top the other one in terms of ridiculousness it's why are we even doing this anyway i think to what's the point we're all we're all lucky that films are so expensive to make because it's part of why film hasn't gone off the same deep end a lot of other art forms have you say that as though we're not like driving off the cliff that is filled quality no you could be it could be so much worse i got you yeah like modern fashion and bananas on walls and stuff like that like the film film could be sad it's safer from that because it's so expensive to make no one's gonna just make the banana on a wall equivalent and put it in theaters i would say film has a reputation that is expensive to make a good film is not necessarily expensive to make um compared to all these other art forms yesterday's yeah i'm saying it has a reputation no it actually is expensive to make a feature film compared to clothes you said film a feature film that yeah well yeah that's what we're talking about is feature films and shows yeah those are expensive to make yeah i think what cap's saying is you're never going to see the banana on a wall equivalent coming out of disney or whoever and entering theaters like it's not going to happen they just no partially because they need to make money or else they're not it's the kind of it's the kind of thing where if it was submitted even disney would be like okay yeah but no it's sure but nah we're not doing that remember i see people in the chat are saying like the point of the fashion thing is tension and i agree with that but it's like i'm willing to admit that there's they throw the standard out of wearability or whatever i get it but that i assume the point being made was kind of like that's something you don't expect as a as a normal viewer entering that culture of like oh wearability is not important to the clothing okay and what is like what what are we doing here you know if we're just here same with it you could make a film with a blasting horrible noise and someone could be like that's unconsumable and you're like we'll know that's part of the art you're like okay i don't like it right we're gonna say something uh no no go ahead all right for critics while we might not remember the names of prominent critics we do however remember the names of someone that has recommended something that has pleasantly surprised us and that we've greatly enjoyed we remember that's someone who turned us on to a new show that's just our you're not just our ability to remember names oh yeah that point yeah we're talking that's that's not that's that's not an issue with the criticism yeah that doesn't do with anything really this is just like a a human memory association kind of thing do you remember the guy who picked up your hat when it blew off the other day like like maybe he didn't say his name he said no need to thank me anyway oh he had to do the hat and said hello i'm simon you're like simon yeah right when shady do rags when he when his do rag was on just a little too tight and it sprung upwards and shot high into the air and that one guy caught it forth the ground what was his name we'll never know he was gone before i he turned around to thank him but he was he was gone already gone like the wind was it vanished into the mist like was it an angel was it uh what like tears didn't rain no no no that's not the quote it's like burps in the wind i think that's what he says like burps in the breeze who i am is not important i go where i need it do you remember do you remember because there's loads of family guy stuff that i find hilarious growing uh the parodying it's american beauty and peter's watching a bag and it goes up to god he's like it's just a bag floating in the wind do you have any idea how complicated your circulatory system is even like even god would be like i've made some shit art but you've got to appreciate i've made some really good stuff stop i'm going for the fucking banata on the wall i appreciate the good stuff different than we now love we remember that moment of two discovering and finding something new that we like and it is in this way that we too should remember why being a critic can be a good thing you know what's funny too is like take boiling point we recommended the hell out of that it's relatively unknown it's very low budget compared to a lot of things that we often talk about and then um if this guy had said like yeah wasn't that great discovering something new i'd be like what do you mean by new because i don't know that i'd call boiling point new in another other than the fact that it was new in that i hadn't seen it before there's nothing in boiling point that made me rethink my perspective on film or anything yeah so you know i mean and it's like okay so it wasn't new and it's like well i don't know i don't know what is your definition of new video maker right i mean it's not the certainly not the fact that it was like meant to look like a one shot i mean that's not yeah i've seen that before as being a critic isn't about being negative or cynical for the sake of can you name a critic that would have said it was yeah like if i'm a critic and i just i just if you ain't shitting on something you suck it's all about shitting shitting everywhere that's what you do being pessimistic or being cautious or afraid of something that we don't know or don't understand it's about finding that moment that new thing that different idea which makes life good again but what if that new and different idea is negative what if i go wow i've realized the stories that are about like i don't know characters that try to achieve something and uh get it easily a shit is that okay am i allowed to have that conclusion or is it negative now so it's a bad one is that a new thing he's he said that makes life good again it's hard because he keeps pausing that could make life or good again this is going to be a bit difficult but what if you were snapped out of loving everything and you felt life became better and more meaningful because of that do you know what i mean like you watch everything and you love everything and then you're like one day you go wait a lot of this stuff is actually shit like actually awful it's embarrassing that i liked it and then you look back in a year's time you're like fuck i hated the time where i was just loving everything it was nonsense and meaningless but now i have this full palette and scale and it's way better one could argue like what was injected into that person's life it's like well a bit of cynicism a bit of uh critical thinking a bit of negativity and they feel their life was improved what about that i don't know i can't i have a hard time picturing it because i like i envy people who don't analyze every single thing they watch you do so i'm like i can't i can't just do that do you actually though if you could if you could flip a switch that makes it so you enjoy all media would you flip it no i would i would not flip that switch no well when i say i envy them i'm like i i would like to feel that joy they feel as well but i would not give up my it's red with red to do it oh he vaded he vaded what i vaded if someone no we're just it's it's fine it's fine it's fine it's just it's just why do you mock me so it's just how how mad are all of this gets i'm thinking about all the different things that have happened over the years oh okay it took me oh i know i see what you mean i say okay sharing that knowledge and experience with others that is the ratatouille way believe me though it isn't i've muted it we're good man i guess uh they would have monetized the fuck out of this or dem monetized it you know the ratatouille people i mean but the big is he a big channel maybe he doesn't even have to worry about that sort of thing he might have privatized it early and then like months early and then once like all the copyright stuff was done released it maybe that's that um a holy straightforward view on the state of criticism that lacks any and all sort of i mean i hate to use the word but nuance like better i think it counts as your own position come on yeah the arc he went on was that like yeah criticisms mostly about you know saying this is good and this is bad but there's more to it and then halfway through it's like like that's only half the like what's good and bad is only half the story there's a whole other side of the new and at the end it's like the most important thing is the new like he just like as the video went on it was more and more prioritizing that discovering new things and telling people about him that's what a critic does that's what a critic is that's what the essence of criticism is also he's got a video from four months ago called uh why tv shows are getting worse and the thumbnail says quantity over quality like hmm being a little overly critical there bud i also see that are quite often heimer doesn't cut the mustard an atomic misfire and it has sleeping in the courtroom with his glasses on that makes it look like he's awake oh it's boring oh come on man i don't know man is that the i guess that's the implication of home is sitting there with his glasses but yeah that's unfortunate it's cut the mustard a thing yeah you have the mustard yeah it's not up to snuff yeah it doesn't cut the mustard okay i get that up to snuff no fucking clue i cut the mustard means that i don't normally probably not a good idea because it's gonna confuse people but hey whatever if you want to use it um yeah well i think the i think the video as a whole makes like two major mistakes which is people for some reason forget that when you're doing video essays they're still essays and there are specific four formats to follow with essays one you gotta address points that could be used against you because if you don't you either look ignorant or you look disingenuous and this video doesn't seem to come from the perspective of new can be bad or that we we we have a hard it comes from the perspective that we have a harsh criticism on you so it's constantly defending you and that's the other thing you can't assume thing you can't assume that your audience takes your position on certain things there are certain truths in this world that we do accept to be true like gravity exists usually nice and fundamental but that's more of a science thing like like the basic structure of plot you know exposition rising exposition climax etc you know we accept that to be true but things that we don't accept to be true like you have to establish that at the beginning or somewhere throughout your video because if you just assume that premise and you go on that premise your audience who disagrees with that premise is going to be like wait none of this makes any sense what are you talking about so part of the issue might actually be that he feels like this is all very straightforward and intuitive i have no idea if he's ever thought about a lot of the equal and opposite counters or just sort of this whole obsession with new and has he ever interested like i think i think he would treat that as a given like we all value new things new experiences because we're humans and that's what we like right and this is like well his his deeper thought on that is what we fear it sometimes because it can breach order or continuity with uh our expected existence in this world but ultimately it's like you got anything else to say on that like there's so many other thoughts especially when he when he threw in that one part where he mentioned uh what would even can be considered or counted as art it's just like holy fuck you can't be bringing that in that's uh what's that is a variable i don't know if you want to talk about it but that's complicated yeah you can do it we'll do it i don't know no yeah and i don't know that um the ratatouille fully supports a lot of the points that he was making as well as a lot of the points the ratatouille itself was making um which is arguably a hot take as well but hey uh the video wasn't the worst thing ever it was all right it wasn't the worst video that we've covered at all no wasn't even close yeah chat be nice i feel like it could have been at least 10 minutes shorter because like a lot of it especially the end was just repeating the same thing of like discovering the new and we should do that like he kept it felt like a lot of but like i kind of sorry what a lot of what you cut out oh sorry uh rephrasing the same essential point of like critics a critic's job is to defend the new and so okay i get it says is nothing more important than finding something brand new yeah just didn't find a brand new thing to illustrate the point with but you know right um which wraps us up on that video is there anything else anyone to say about it no um no it's not it's not it's not bad it's not the worst i've ever seen yeah maybe we want to be overly critical okay gotta be constructive non-negative this was a new experience for us covering that video and that in and of itself is beautiful if you think about it at least learn and i watch a film that's really really shit i might just be scared of it so i'll have to you know reevaluate where i'm coming from i mean i do agree that critics should look beyond like convention in evaluating new things that come out but like he's sort of he i feel like he thinks critics have this bias against new things and they don't really for the most part i don't think like i i feel like this didn't really need to be said i don't know in my experience i find that a lot of people who are professional critics watch way more movies than the average person and are much more prone to criticize things for being unoriginal than the average person would it's almost the opposite problem right well that about doesn't i'd say beautiful incredible what's everyone's opinion on lion king one and a half you never saw that never saw it yeah it's a it's a fine movie to put on for kids but it's a downgrade from both one and two did they actually call it 1.5 or whatever one and a half one and a half depends on the region some places called it three but yeah america called it one and a half that's lame goldblins in wales and then hang on i'm gonna cover down every goddamn time we know what rags is talking about you know he's just so goofy looking i want to hug it so i'm gonna be honest what what i meant then i didn't need to take this negativity i'm going quit make it out and go to space don't go to space this is obviously referencing to uh good ol asoka for those who haven't caught up should be watching the e-fab tv episodes you foolish fools if you haven't yeah foolish beautiful bae and art work we're all looking very uh beautiful oh is rags supposed to be ripped there or those breasts no i'm ripped he's ripped yes i'm ripped i'm ripped super strong so goofy so going to manus is not funny yes but don't go to space thank you very much and i was going to say that uh we're probably going to wrap up there but before we do i'd like to say thank you so much to shady do rags for welcome absolutely brand new episode brand new guest appreciate you he's a lot of fun talking to you and you want to tell the audience where you're at what you're up to and and what they can watch of your stuff uh yeah yeah i had to mute my freaking mic because i was coughing oh no i did want to interrupt okay hold on hey hello how do you do shady do rags here welcome to e-fap we're ending where you can find me is on youtube.com slash at shady do rags uh i am known for reviewing cartoons i recently hit 200k uh and i went on break recently so there's not much there's not much from september but after that i got sick so i should be returning soon uh you can also find me on twitter uh i don't know what my twitter is hold on you can find me on this somewhere whatever my twitter is i'm there uh i think you turn it on twitter.com slash twitter.com slash shady do rags yep there you go that's definitely me uh if you're interested in king of the hill or superhero shows from the 2000s or pretty much cartoons in general i do talk about that stuff uh my audience will probably tell you that they really like my uh and analysis abilities comedy and my uh appreciation for uh morals because i do talk about morals and how they affect us in the world named three good morals name three good morals yeah uh gravity exists i would say uh be a good person there you go that's beautiful bad person oh and don't pressure people to think of good morals on the spot yeah don't be overly critical don't over criticize all right no you can be overly critical you can definitely be over overly critical especially if ratatouille you have to be able to admit that ratatouille is meant to be a good critic that's i'm sorry that's the that's the stand well links in description and in chat and uh yeah thank you very much um for coming on next up to say thank you to of course would be uh mr little platoon thanks thanks for joining us talking about criticism and all that stuff i would say and we'll say uh let's talk about your channel and what you're up to though i imagine e-fab chat are very familiar with you at this point but that won't stop you and nor should it what are you making what are you up to uh no thank you for having me back yeah as soon as this is finished i'm going back to fighting copyright on this mandalorian video which was supposed to be out a month ago and then today and still isn't so yeah that's going to be hopefully out tomorrow a nice little four and a half hours of being overly critical of the mandalorian so um that's what's coming up next you've learned what's us dad are you immediately jumping into a soak about each other i really shouldn't for my sanity but probably will yeah well uh thanks of course once again for joining us we are always happy to have you mate um well uh john what are you up to tell the good people of the world oh well uh people know me for everything the chief i'm still making those i made a new one called chief's big weiner parts one and two i just put part two the other day i didn't know chief had a big weiner i'd always he does i've always like imagine that he probably would but yeah it's very big and he becomes prime minister of canada be so big because of yeah because of his big weiner yeah so john graham on youtube um don't criticize me though because i'll leave it's positive i have feelings so criticism is bad and mr capital oh opinions always a pleasure what are you up to well thanks for having me believe it or not devs four is almost done and we'll be out soon oh my god that's a terrible fucking tv show correct i'm gonna be overly critical about it before then probably we'll probably do a stream on our channel talking about the creator new sci-fi movie that just came out which i haven't seen yet but assuming it's any worth talking about at all we'll talk about that on stream i've been hearing rumblings rumblings about this film yes rumblings indeed not the bad rumbly good rumblings you know good rumblings yeah that's kind of rumblings uh i think drink us for today so i will be seeing what he thought of it soon enough to get an idea of whether or not this is a movie for the ages or we should be overly critical of it i don't know it really matters how much it's new i would say that's really the defy the citing factor um well uh rags ringing anything you guys want to mention um no not in particular no not really uh well you know the deal i'm just currently presently working on uh asaka e-fab tv's and they're on the end uh yeah and moeller is helping me finish them off so i'll um i'll may as well go over this the schedule at this point yeah okay uh and funnily enough this'll this'll include some cap work here as well right so we're we've just crossed into the first in in british time which is actually the expected date for the release of soul one which was edited it essentially exclusively by cap i think i did some extra copyright stuff which i had to do for all of the sores just because of how much of a monster youtube was specifically with sore um don't know why they're desperate to keep a hold of sore or something don't want people to know the truth um particularly i think episodes episodes or movies four five and six i think you'll notice that the copyright in it is excessive but i had no choice um it was it was actually getting to the point right did i not link you uh for me uh they did like a four second one or something it was insanely small yeah um so i had to go heavy with uh protection compared to something like a soka where you guys actually get to look at you know a scene almost sometimes and it's like whoa look at that a scene um so you get in that i was about to say tomorrow but for me it's technically today the day after you're getting sore two that's just how this has worked out day after that you get an asoka episode five but now i'm starting to rethink and we might it might be five and six together because then it would be a week and you'd get seven and eight together which is the plan because we're trying to keep the fuck up here we've we i was about to say we fell behind but that's really not true they released them too fast they released two episodes and that put us behind right from the outside we also had to edit the video the star wars is never going to grow up yeah that was a bit of a detour and then it's just you know it takes it takes some time to to make these so yeah give me an idea chat and this is a genuine question answer honestly would you prefer it that we released like asoka episodes individually but stacked together in terms of like you know the third is one the fourth is one the fifth is one the sixth is one like the days of october i mean or would you find value in them being packed as in like five and six together and then seven and eight together and don't say you don't care i'm trying to figure this out got us the same video right but just releasing on the same day it's kind of why don't you like do a poll well because i can read your individual together wow are you keeping track of them i'm not gonna i'm not gonna determine it based on like down to 50 what does that are all i can already tell you're comfortable with this imprecise way of doing well yeah because i was curious if it was going to stack one way the other will go in in the middle and it's it looks like it's mostly in the middle a lot of people are saying together an individual and so it's hard to say well i'll have to figure it out i'm not sure i'll talk to rags and fringing about it we'll figure it out no worries folks but that's right your fate's in our hands the the truth of it is that by the eighth right by the eighth you will get saw one saw two saw three and then asoka five six seven and eight right the one week you get all of them which is very why very why i'm tired this is very why on the seventh there's not going to be a mainline efap episode because you get in all of them and it's going to be my birthday stream as well so i'm going to stream a game who knows what it might be might be a heavily requested game who knows but i'll try and do a big ol long stream and um yeah you got loads of stuff to come and that's just this has been non-stop editing in fact this stream should probably end sooner rather than later because i gotta do a few hours on on a soaker episode five make sure i can get it out for tuesday at the very least um someone said last of us two no i can't wait to see mauler play the last of us two oh boy i've been chomping at the bit to see him play that i've heard it's really good and forever for anyone who doesn't know uh yeah the souls are releasing across the month and um there's 10 in total though there are 10 saw movies yes actually as of two days ago i think has anyone said anything about it i haven't seen anything about sore 10 peep there's some it's getting some praise yeah so finally enough if you want to talk about you know critic reviews on rotten tomatoes and everything oh my god it's uh it's high compared to the whole films oh god could it be a film that we actually had to say is good at the soul franchise i don't know i don't know that would be pretty funny excited uh well yeah so anyway that's it for us we're still um obviously doing super chat catch ups are in their own format they release every well jesus christ there's gonna be like an upload every day uh on the mauler channel at this point yeah fun with that everybody don't complain don't you don't complain i saw you miss to gilbert put it in the super chat saying man e-faps are so short lately the fucking yeah like you got so much e-fap fapping everywhere this was that's what's like over five hours sorry it was it was odd if it's not 11 hours 11 minutes it's short it's true yeah it seems that way um but yeah you gilbert on that note about that uh that's that's that's that we're gonna gonna head out so um thank you all very much for joining us thank you for the kind donations and messages and just uh hanging out with this video but for now we're gonna say good night and goodbye little bit yep everybody see you later bye bye


Without further ado, I will just go in, head and introduce you to our presenter. Today we'll be hearing from Josh Hogan, who is the Digital Preservation Archivist at Georgia State University in Atlanta, Georgia. And also a former colleague of mine from the Atlanta University Center. So thank you for joining us, Josh. We're gonna be hearing from you on web archiving today. So I'm gonna just hand it off to you. Take it away. Hi, everybody. I think I'm gonna go ahead and turn off my camera only because it can be a little bit dodgy, but I will turn it back on for our Q and A. As Gail mentioned, I am the Digital Preservation Archivist at the Georgia State University in Atlanta. And I'm also the Archivist for Social Change in the archives. And previously I was the Assistant Head of Digital Services at the Atlanta University Center, Robert W. Woodruff Library and was in charge of administering our web archiving initiatives there. Despite all that, I want to say that maybe, like many of you, I still consider myself a beginner or newbie in this field and I'm always learning more about this complex and challenging topic. My presentation is really going to focus on web archiving at a high level and consider what it is and what its origins are as well as think about what criteria to consider when planning for web archiving and close with some discussion of different tech tools or tech platforms that you can use to get started or enhance your web archiving efforts. So before we get started, I wanted to have this quote as something to keep in the back of your head as a guiding principle for web archiving. I don't know if Kathleen Rowe actually said this originally, but she's the first, she's the person I first heard say it when I attended the Georgia Archives Institute in 2013. She was talking about archives as a whole, but I think the quote may be even more crucial for web archiving since the temptation with digital materials in general and the web is to think that we should grab everything, but just as we wouldn't collect all the paper material or every photograph in our community, we wouldn't want to just grab every website, social media account, online database, or anything like that. If anything, we need to think about how we can carefully select and care for the most appropriate and high value web archiving collections that we can. So what is web archiving? So in a nutshell, web archiving is the process of collecting portions or sites from the worldwide web and ensure that that information is preserved in an archive for future researchers, historians, or the public. So that can mean a lot of different things, of course, because we might be talking about anything from an entire website to small portions of that website. For example, a social media, we might crawl just a particular hashtag and get tweets from that hashtag on Twitter and not entire profile of someone in their tweets or we might grab an entire set of websites around an organization. But I think the key to the archiving part here is the provision of ongoing access to the community that you serve. Also, as I mentioned before, archiving appropriate portions of the web is key. As you can see, the image on the left is just a very small representation of how complex the web is in terms of all the different nodes, all the different connections and how difficult that all is to grab and make available for the long term. You can also quickly go down a rabbit hole following all those different connections and going down all those different nodes. On the right, you can see a visual representation of how the web is changing its relatively short history. Many of us forget how the internet is really still a novel technology as far as human beings go, even though it has quickly woven itself into our lives. The early days of the web, when it was just hypertext links and basic sharing of documents and information, that was, of course, revolutionary at the time, but it's very simple compared to what we expect now with the internet. And now you can see, as you get around to this end part, we have things like linked open data, web of science, social networks of all kinds that we all, and these create challenges for us and the challenges for us that we need to learn how to navigate. So speaking of early internet, this is a snapshot of the first page ever on the World Wide Web, uploaded by Tim Berners-Lee in 1991, and it's been restored recently to its original address. You can see that this first page is just text and hyperlinks to other text documents. Crawling and archiving something like this is a snap, of course, and would likely take very little time with modern web archiving technologies. Of course, our jobs as archivists, curators, et cetera, would be made a lot easier had the web-stated collection of documents linked by hypertext, or if brutalist web design were more widely embraced by the web design community. For example, content is readable on all reasonable screens or only hyperlinks and buttons respond to clicks, or the back button works as it's intended to work. It would be super easy to crawl lots of websites that were designed using these principles. As it is, we have all kinds of different kinds of websites and these are just three examples. You can see here the YouTube page for the peach tree and pine. Homeless Shelter in Atlanta has videos, images, text that we have to navigate. In the middle is a representation of a library exhibit from Georgia State University, which includes 3D models of one of the buildings of the university that was recently demolished. And one of the questions I'm trying to grapple with is how do we preserve those 3D models? Might be easy to get the files, but how do we make sure that people can experience those 3D models in the way they were intended to be experienced? And then on the right side, you can just see a Twitter feed for Atlanta Journal Constitution. And we know how complicated that can get with video, with images, with lots of text, as well as issues of privacy and copyright and things like that. So no longer are we just crawling very basic text documents. Thankfully, web archiving initiatives debuted not long after that first website. And by the mid-1990s, we start seeing web archiving technologies and initiatives. On this site, you might be able to read that Australia's web archive started in 1996, 25 years ago. So we have had a while to start building these technologies, although that has been a very small part of our efforts in archiving. Also starting in 1996 is the most famous web archiving initiative, which I'm sure some of you have used in the past. Internet Archive's way back machine that has been going for 25 years and has now archived over 581 billion web pages as of June 2021. A nice part about this is that you can put in any page in their little box down here on the right. And save that page to the way back machine, which is a very free way for you to make sure at least there's some copy of a page that you think should be copied. At the very least, that might be something if you're concerned about something disappearing, have it crawled by the way back machine. So basically, we turn to the question of why are we archiving web resources and websites? And this quote that I've put on here, I think kind of gets at a lot of that. This one was very personal for me because I was, I lived in Knoxville for a long time and the predecessor for the Knoxville Mercury was the Metro Pulse, which is a newspaper that was very similar to Creative Loafing in Atlanta. It was an alternative news weekly. And Jack Neely was one of their columnists. And he was, he's talking in this article about how the online archives of his own work that he used would just disappeared one day because the company that had bought the paper didn't want to keep them online anymore. So really, you know, archiving web resources is still about the same reason why we archive paper resources, having access to data, access to things that inform the historical record, as well as government documents, institutional records that we have always been used to collecting in paper are more and more living online. And it's, and it's much more ephemeral than even the paper was. So, so in addition to all the fun things that we can do on the internet, we have lots of important material that we need to preserve as historical societal and cultural records. The 2016 article from Costa Gomez and Silva reported that 80% of websites do not exist in their original form after only one year. 13% of web reference of web references and social and scholarly articles disappear after 27 months and 11% of social media posts are lost within the year. And I suspect that's just getting worse. Another thing to consider about the importance of archiving web resources is not just data access, but data analysis. Web archiving can allow us to explore and analyze complex topics. By archiving websites and using emerging analysis tools, we can have rich analysis and modeling of historical and other and talk topics, particularly around say, maybe politics or societal issues. But this can only happen if we preserve the sites and resources that are important for these things. So, I think these are some of the things that you can think about. If you're starting out with a web archiving program, questions to ask yourself. And I think these first two questions are very related, if not the same thing worded differently. So is my institution uniquely positioned to preserve this material or is this site specifically related to my institution or to my institution's collecting policy. More and more, it's important for archives and cultural heritage organizations to provide something that's unique, something that really comes from their community and is for their community. So is this site likely to be widely archived by their initiatives? Obviously, it's not down to Georgia State University to archive the New York Times. Someone else, as many others may be doing that. Is this site uniquely valuable to the communities my institution serves? Or, and finally, I think this really gets down to it is, do we as an institution have the capacity to preserve this resource, store it, manage it for the long term, and make it accessible for our intended audience? If we're going to have problems with these things, then maybe that particular site is not good for our web archiving program. So I'm trying to stay within my time here, but I just want to look at some of these tools. So a lot of times, that's what we want to get down to is what can we use to make these things happen? So I want to look at a few of the software platforms or tools that you can use. Some of them will be downloadable. You can download them locally and use them on your own station. And then I want to look at a couple of the more popular online tools. And talk a little bit about those. So, HCT track is one that I've used before. And this is, again, this is one of those free as in puppy, not as in beer type of open source websites. In the sense that it's free to download, free to use, but you still have to think about where am I going to store anything that I've crawled? Do I need to have someone's help? Do I need to have a person in my institution who runs this? That needs to be paid? Those kinds of things. But it is a very useful tool for just really grabbing copies of web pages in an automated way, pointed at the page you want, it downloads all the files, all the folders, and it can quickly take up a lot of space on your machine. So that's probably the big thing is where am I going to store this? Another similar example here is the Heratrix archival crawler. This is actually based on the same technology the internet archive uses for the Wayback machine and for archive it. This is, again, open source. And it is, as they say, extensible. And it's basically going to, it's trying to aim at archival quality with crawling. Heratrix means heiress, a woman who inherits. So that's where they pick the name, since the future researchers will inherit our efforts. And this is available through Internet Archives GitHub site. A third sort of open source thing that you can go for. And this one is a little bit more complicated because you have to have some command line knowledge to use, gun use WGIT program. But this does crawl files across HTTP, HTTPS, FTP and FTPS. Again, this is where you need to think about where, once you've crawled it, you're going to store it. Not just, not just crawling, but also provisioning for the long-term storage. This one, WebRecorder, this is an in browser extension. So if you're not really looking to learn a whole new program, WebRecorder allows you to add an extension to your browser that will then allow you to grab web pages as you interact with them. I've gone through and done searches on my plan acknowledgment. Sorry about that. I think there was a little bit of. A little bit of feedback, but we're good. Okay. So anyway, so I've not tried this particular version of this tool that I have used in app or an in browser crawler before, and they can often work well, especially for basic pages. The big thing about the options that I've just gone through the HTTRAC, Heratrix, et cetera, again, is to reiterate that you have to have a storage space carved out locally in some way to make sure that you can eventually provide for some access to that. A lot of the online programs already allow you to have public access to for your. Researchers to use the material once you've crawled it. And you have to think about that as an extra step with these that I've shown so far. So we'll turn to a couple of the big online ones. First, these services are available for crawling websites and they do have a public facing side to their websites. One of the tools, the first tool is Conifer. Conifer came out of the same initiative to develop the WebRecorder. Extension we just saw. Users of Conifer can create an account and crawl sites as they interact with them in a browser. The good news is that you can make these crawls publicly available. Another piece of good news is that you can sign up for an account for free. Unfortunately, there is a limit to how much data you can crawl on a free account, but you can export all crawls that you do as .WARC or work files and save them to a local server or to your cloud server. But then again, that gets you back to the point of considering how you're going to make those files available, whether you're going to make their content available or you're actually going to emulate the website the way it looked the day you crawled it. There are pay versions of Conifer available, but I've not yet tried those, so I can't really speak to that. This is just a back end shot. You can see that you can create collections and crawl your websites. You can set each of those to public or private. This is an example of one of the oops, we go back. This is a crawl of a blog post from the Atlanta study symposium website on the closing of the open door community in Ponzi Highlands area of Atlanta. This was done by one of Georgia State .This is a blog post about one of Georgia State University's history professors. Compare that to the original screen capture of the actual blog post. All I really had to do was go to that site, click on it, interact with it, and it created an almost exact copy of the website. I can make that publicly available should I choose to do so. But that of course gets into who has copyright to that. There are all kinds of issues about whether I want to make it public, but at least I have that as a research item in my archives. Now I'll turn very briefly to archive it. I just want to close off with that. This is probably the one that you all are most familiar with. It's kind of the big daddy of web archiving tools. It's kind of the big daddy of web archiving or using this right now. It does cost real money to use. It can be too expensive for smaller institutions and individuals to use. But like I said, it is widely used. And it is a very good overall turnkey solution for crawling sites. That said, it does take a fair amount of time to scope your seeds or URLs correctly and tweak crawl parameters to get the crawl that you really want. This is just the back end. This is one of the sites of our 512 gigabyte budget for the year. This is a website for the peach tree and pine shelter that I crawled recently using archive it. This is what it appears to. To archive it users. This is the same website as it appears. You just go straight to it in your browser. So you can see that it was, it works very well. I did have to tweak this though to ignore robots. You can see that it's a little bit different from the other sites. But it's not the same. It's the same as the XT and things like that. So that it appeared exactly the same. This is the same website as it was crawled by the wayback machine. And back in March. So you can see that there's a difference. If you don't play with those scoping rules, you can still get kind of a wonky playback as they call it. But the content is all there. It's just whether or not it renders. Properly. You can see that there's a difference. You can see that there's a difference. You can see that there's a difference. Access. Well, it's key, but you also have to think about what level of access you're going to give. Are you just giving the content? Or are you providing a true representation of the original website? So here's. Some of the challenges. This just illustrates some of the challenges of social media. This is the YouTube site for the same people. The same thing. I don't know if you can write that for playback. You have to right click and open each video in a new. In a new. Browser for our new tab in your browser, just so you can watch them. So there are all kinds of little quirks that you have to figure out to make the playback work. The way you want it to. So I'll just offer. I'll, I'll share these slides with Gail so she can send these out to you. But here are a few helpful resources in terms of. Web archiving. The 2016 survey is a few years old now, but it does show you a lot of the practices that people are using in web archiving. So with that, I'll say thank you very much for inviting me and. We open the floor for Q and a, I'll just open it by saying that. I'd love to hear anybody's insight or experiences they've had with web archiving initiatives or any ideas they've had for. Web archiving initiatives at their institution. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, Josh. So if anyone has questions, you can just feel free to either unmute yourself and go ahead and ask or you could type it into the chat either one, whichever works for you. I don't know if I've put people to sleep or. Confuse them. It's a big topic. So I hope that that was something that was helpful. And not just something you already knew. That was my big concern. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I definitely learned some things. I did not previously know. I don't know how have any of the folks in the room had any experience. Using any of these tools or doing anything. Oh, Dakota. Yeah, go right ahead. You can either type in your question or unmute yourself. You should all be able to unmute yourselves. I think. Hi. Can you hear me? Yes. All right. This is perfect. So one of the questions that I had is that I noticed that there is a lot of open source software that is used to. Web crawl for these specific sites and be able to capture them. And knowing the nature of open source software. With people being able to fork it in case. The original developers are not able to. Maintain such projects. I'm wondering if there are any alternatives. Well, not necessarily alternatives to these programs, but. Is screen capture just basic screen shotting. A viable way to web archive. It might not be able to capture at least the UI elements and how they animate. But for the basic sense of. Capturing images. Is there any sort of use for that? I think that's a great question. And I would say yes, I think there is a use for that. It's probably a data friendly way. To at least get some representation. And I think that's another question that I should have included in the questions you should ask yourself in terms of, you know, how far do you want to go. With the playback and the interactivity. You know, it may be sufficient for the communities that. Your particular institution serves to at least just have a representation of the way that website looked and to get the content off of that website. If it's, you know, especially if it's just a lot of text. If it's a new story, for example. Or a government document. So some of. I think. That could be a cost effective way for some institutions. Okay. Yeah, that's my, that's my take on it anyway. Looks like we have a question in the chat. Does web archiving require any metadata or does it just preserve URLs only? I think that. It can include as much metadata as you want it to include depending on the software that you use. If you use archive it, you can put a fair amount of robust data into the. Seeds ahead of time into your collections. And specify what it is where it comes from the date and it will capture things like the date you crawled it at the time you crawled it, things like that that are technical metadata that will automatically extract. But yet, but you can just preserve the URL in that technical metadata. If all you want to do just to do quick and dirty scan of or crawl that site. Does that answer your question? Another question chat. When you web archive, you're also grabbing all, oh, more just a comment. So when you web archive, you're also grabbing all the metadata baked into the sites. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Anything in the headers. Anything that the web designer. Added to that you will get. So I see one about. Screen capture. Yes, I think, yeah, if you if you're doing screen capture and you're getting lots of large image files that can quickly eat up your storage. Unfortunately, even though storage is getting cheaper, it's still not super cheap. I think that's, you know, why archive it charges for what they do. The more the more storage you buy from them and more expensive. We get a half a terabyte at Georgia State University. But you can get many terabytes if you want to do that. And it basically doubles each say half terabyte. That you at the price doubles. For and really it comes down to the storage. So yeah. If you really want a high fidelity representation, it's going to it's going to eat up some. Some chunks. Another question that about what are the copyright issues that institution should consider. That is, I actually was going to include that. And then I thought it's going to take forever to talk about, talk about those issues. It's a can of worms. Obviously in archives. I'll give you just an example of what. What I just did with the peach tree and pine homeless shelter. We were, we had a donation from them when they shut down of all of their records. And we had a lot of them. We had a lot of them. We had like 50 boxes of paper records. To my knowledge, we did not have them sign a deed of gift for. Their electronic. Materials. So we have a deed of gift that covers the normal donation. But we've also got an addendum document. And so the copyright. Should still probably belong to. The people, you know, the person who designed that or. The executive of that organization who donated the records to us. So that's something I probably need to swing back to the other option. Another, another big issue is like social media. Technically, if you tweet, you own the copyright to that tweet, but then Twitter also on some rights to it. And it becomes this whole thing. If you're going to make those things public, how much right do you have to make those things public? And then that also brings in privacy issues. So websites considering their design by people who are not us. We have to be careful about whether we make them publicly available on a website or whether we just make them available in our reading room for researchers in a limited capacity. But yeah, that is, that is a very good question. And one that we grapple with every day. So any other. Anything else about copyright? People might have thought of. How would creative commons licenses apply? I think, yes, I think so in terms of. Ultimately, if. If a web designer or an organization made all of their material available on a creative commons license, if you crawled that material and you used it consistently with that license, say if they said non-commercial use an archives could certainly grab that website and allow it to be used for my researchers and students of their organization. But you know, sometimes hard to determine. What's the licensing status of things like that are people don't normally think about that. When they set up their site. But that's usually what we ask for in. When they donate those materials is to either. Transfer the rights to us or give us that kind of license that creative commons license. Any, any further questions, follow up questions. Painful web archiving experiences to share. I'll share the painful archival experience of dealing with Facebook. You know, starting in December, they started redirecting all crawls to log in pages. So you have to pass them your login credentials. And then when you're crawling, which I did with my personal account as a test, and it got personal, some of my personal information in the crawl. So I set up. I set up a work only Facebook page. And I use those credentials and they decided I was a bot and blocked blocked me from using that account. So I've been trying to crawl a Facebook page for about three weeks now that I, and it just keeps getting getting me in trouble with Facebook. It's been an awful bot trying to steal people's information. Really the worst thing happening on Facebook today. Yeah, just, just another thing to complain about around Facebook. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's, I hadn't heard about that issue, but I just know from just long term reading that Facebook is always kind of posed issues in terms of web archiving, but this is just adding a new layer of. Complication. For me sort of wrap this up, just want to make sure I give any everyone ample, ample time to type out any further questions you may have. Once, going twice. I think I guess, if it pops up in the chat just, we'll go with the flow, but otherwise I think that kind of wraps it up. Thank you so much for joining us today, Josh, and sharing some of your knowledge about web archiving. I know it's a topic folks in this group have been interested in hearing more about for a while, so we really appreciate it. In terms of upcoming news with it being summer, we don't have a ton of announcements, but definitely keep an eye on the DLF Twitter, DLF community calendar, DLF announced list for upcoming working group meetings, forum news, et cetera, we'll be, you know, posting it all to the usual channels there. Our next meeting will be Wednesday, July 28th, same time, 2pm Eastern 11am Pacific. If you're interested in speaking in a future meeting, whether it's July's or later on, feel free to contact me at info. If you have any suggestions for future topics, definitely send them my way and we'll see what we can do to find someone to speak to us, but otherwise before we sort of close out, does anyone else have any additional news or anything they want to share with the group? Well, I guess I'll take the silence as no news is good news. So I guess we'll get to that. We'll wrap it up a little bit early today, but thank you all so much for joining us, everyone. And we will have those slides available. And the recording of this will go up on YouTube. As soon as I have a chance to process it for you. And I will make sure to send it out to the listserv when it's ready, but otherwise have a great day, everyone. Thank you, everyone. Thank you, everyone. I'll have to get back to you next time and see you. I'll be back with a new video as I have a chance to process that for you. And I will make sure to send it out to the listserv when it's ready, but otherwise have a great day, everyone.


brought you out to vote today pick who I want to be president vote on some key issues locally especially like there's some ideas about taxing and some school issues in terms of I think they want to progress in building a new school so those are things I'm concerned about so what what issues did you really care about coming into this election I mean pretty much just trying to vote Trump out of office I guess vote for Bernie I voted for Bernie Bernie of course Bernie Bernie Bernie all the way he's a homeboy I would have voted for Elizabeth Warren too but it's like bombers didn't seem to be doing that great I didn't see a lot to vote on right now it's kind of the preliminary right now super Tuesday if you want to think kind of going forward is kind of restructuring the whole tax program and also integrating a better health care system in terms of like how we're paying for it so what about for the city council race there's only one candidate that came to my door Sarah Carpenter so I voted for her thoughts on the city council race Sarah carpenter what about local issues any thoughts on some of the local issues definitely more money for schools I believe in that I kind of didn't understand one of them about like I think it was like moving the election something but I was like sure that makes it more convenient for other people but yeah it's about the primary I always am a little bit skeptical of like the questions themselves and the issues because I feel like I read a question and I'm like okay what does this actually mean and then like I try to do some research on my own and like talk with people who I trust and people who are informed about the issues like the school budgets always hard for me like I always want to support my school and my teachers but I also like haven't been always happy with like the way that the school's been run and the school board and such so I you know that one's one that I care about well City of Burlington and he wanted a third ambulance I was a volunteer firefighter so I voted for that both for the school because schools are important and BHS needs all the help it can get I think and my last question is just where do you usually get your media from we do NBC primarily in the mornings so that's where we get most of our news and like I try not to pay a lot of attention to what's on Facebook because I don't know that I trust it and to be honest like I love NBC and I love you know we watch the Today Show mostly in the morning but I even struggle to trust that I'm getting unbiased information there so it's all with a grain of salt for me


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Skibbity Thomas Tank Engine 2 Titan Percy Titan Thomas and Skibbity Cranky whatever the heck that means Oh, oh, yeah, and this is by cameraman of solder.    I'm not by that title. Just kind of intriguing All right, so we know bone thief is like this weird I don't know what he is bro. He looks like a banana like some weird entity Let's just watch this Wake up Percy Percy wake up, bro That boy dreaming about Thomas or something at least he doesn't snore, you know people that snore They're the worst And don't touch Percy like that. He's getting closer. I don't like to look in his eyes All right, Percy is a deep sleeper man. Oh There's no way he doesn't wake up bro, how he's not waking up. Oh He has an idea what is what are you thinking of? Oh what? Okay, this is weird. No way. What bro? What is that?  That's gonna be really weird if he does. How is he still alive? Okay, this is kind of creepy now How is he still alive? He has like nobody and for our final video we're on a Percy and the Beast Productions and We're gonna watch this video titled firebox. It's like a it's like a weird Thomas adaption to like saw or something like that. Let's just go ahead and watch it Percy and the Beast Productions presents written and created by what mighty Nick and other person That Gordon Jammus got Jammus and Gordon James Shut up and go back to sleep at them. What?    Okay, okay calm down We're both important, right? Someone is bound to come for us eventually All we can do is wait What? There's the saw. Is that supposed to be Toby? One of this cabriolet is sabotaging work publicly shaming each other all the while and you'll always fall down your colleagues but as you can see You are both connected through cable drums but after this tape ends the cable drums will begin retracting it will be your task to pull your bone into the saw before you You will have 90 seconds to inflict this task before the drums completely retract Wait so is there like a tug of war with the saw? I think that's I think that's what's going on Bro this is insane Oh I can't witness this Who do you guys think is going to survive? I don't know man I feel like sorry James Gordon does not care bro Bro fight back James what are you doing bro?  I think Gordon is a bigger locomotive right? Playing by the rules in survival of the business Nothing I can do Probably have more power Maybe we can break the cable or something I'm not dying today James I'm sorry Damn Gordon is cold-hearted bro Like you didn't even talk it through you know Come on Put it in reverse James we can talk about this Fuck you Have no sympathy towards James Bro this sounds like Literally in his face Bro James is done bro He's traumatized for life That was insane That was pretty sick man Alright so that is chapter one From what I just seen on Tidal right now And it was actually released like two days ago So we might be seeing more of this Firebox I don't know what it's Going to be titled differently As each chapter has come out But shout out to Prince and the Beast Productions For the awesome video And hopefully he continues to make more of this Because it was pretty entertaining Alright you guys with that if you have it I'll link all the videos in the description down below That we've seen on this And thank you all for watching And I'll see you guys in the next one