You can now follow me on all my social media platforms to find out who my latest guest will be and don't forget to click the subscribe button and the notifications bell so you are notified for when my next podcast goes live.  So I got toughened up by my father and a very strict way of life. I was never it was nothing ever anyone to get the wrong impression about how I see my dad because my dad's done very good by me all my life and when my life went wrong my husband ran off with a secretary.  I honestly looked into and I had roots to getting a hitman to take out my husband not a joke I had a good bunch of contacts in the Marines. We are facing darkness we're going to be pushed and squeezed we're going to be forced out of our private vehicles we're going to be forced out of our homes we're going to have every freedom we ever knew in our lives taken and that's coming right now. When did people find out you're going for that operation? I can still feel my vagina. That's the main thing do you know what I mean? As long as you can feel the grass in your arse and you're shagging it when you're shagging a field it's all good it's worth it. I found the assassination of Katie Hopkins the play that the government funded part funded and the posters going up and my mother was particularly upset by those I found that difficult. That's a brave thing to do though why not? Oh set me off any day of the week. Boomerang in today's case we've got Katie Hopkins Katie how are you? I'm really well thank you I'm really well. You're looking well? Yeah I'll bless you well that might be the additional highlighter but yeah I'm really well probably the best in terms of health like I've ever been so it's good yeah it's nice.  Oh it's totally my pleasure I just went over the road to hang out I was going to ring you so I was here they're like oh you're here for James aren't you and I was like yes I am so no it's absolutely my pleasure and actually the reason I guess that I'm here is that a lot of people said you should be on with James you should be on with James and that's why I guess you and I found each other in the end is that a lot of my kind of supporters or anybody that listens to me were like you should be on with James. Lucky you. I know thanks to them for this. Before we get into everything though I always like to go back to the start for my guests get about understanding about them where you grew up how it all began. Well nothing normal normal normal vanilla vanilla a conference score taught by nuns I mean whoever thought that was a great idea right oh you're religious you can teach and as just a really normal kid with stay-at-home mom dad electrical engineer go to school come home take your school uniform off because you had to look after the uniform because it was expensive tea on the table at five o'clock no messing what dad said went no one argued with dad and if you did you got that it was a backhand dad could do so you would whiz up the stairs like fly up the stairs if you made it past about floor about step four you would probably avoid dad's backhand so my upbringing was super standard super normal straight to university and then university to the army and straight through Sandhurst so everything was really a straight line up until a certain point Which are dad and the army No not at all strict council house lots of brothers tiny property father died boys you know looking after themselves so order discipline and this is the rule and no one argues and you'll sit there till your tea's eating you know stuff we a lot of us knew right that was definitely my upbringing Did you think that affect you as well as I could I just there was a lot of rules there was a lot of rules a lot of the time and I guess there's always been I've always had something a bit naughty that's just rebelled like so I would rebel I think when I was young just by doing things pretty easily like I've got all A's or whatever I got I'm not trying to be like I did this but like I did Grade 8 Violin Grade 8 piano by the time I was 14 like I would win sports day whatever what I'm trying to say is I kind of rebelled by just showing that it was kind of easy which was annoying for a lot of people I think but there were even with the nuns like rule crazy I'm left handed the nuns even in my era and I'm not 65 that people think I am I'm actually only 47 and they used to tie my left hand behind my back because it's not godly to write with your left hand so I guess the point is there was a lot of rules and then I went into the army in Sandhurst where there's even more rules but there's always been this kind of maverick me inside that's like sure I'll take your rule and I'll beat what you've told me I have to do and I'll prove to you it was easy and that's kind of my mindset I guess yeah why about university yeah I found it boring you know three years who needs to be anywhere for three years what did you do oh god economics which back in the day was supposed to be like one of the top five rock and just dullards and and people you know you just like how you staying here for three years after year two I was completely done I'd already been away in Australia for a year sort of and I I just found it I just found it so constraining but I just needed that paper so I stuck it and the army were paying for me to be there but yeah university I'm not a believer in at all and my kids now I've got 18, 17, 14 none of them at present want to go to university and that is probably one of my biggest achievements to date is that none of my kids want to go and currently one of them well one of them moved out last week to be a farm hand on a farm and is living in a caravan on a farm so I'm kind of proud of that it's mad that you probably thought your kids made it down your route yeah just the kind of straight line straight yes university kind of ingrained but do you think you'd have enjoyed the army if it wasn't so regimented yeah I would because it was hard I was looking for hard so I had a boyfriend and he was a big tall strapping lad and he got into Sandhurst and she's classic me he's a lot older than me and I was like well if that twat can get into Sandhurst I can bloody get into Sandhurst and then some people told me that I probably couldn't or probably wouldn't and I was like I'll be getting into Sandhurst then and that's what happens and there's this weird I don't know what that's about but this idea of a right okay watch this so but now like in my generation I can't conclude you and me because you're younger than me how old are you you're just a little baby thank you you're so cute you are really cute aren't you that's how I get weird with half a shot I see little face you're like you've got a I can see you could dial in your face and your teeth so that if you're you're in this shit you can just pull a James and you can overwhelm someone with cheekiness and I can see that it's very very it's very effective already on me um yeah the problem so most people were like well this was the first kid in our family to go to university it became like a thing right back in the day and now I'm like my kids don't want to go to uni and I say it a lot because you'd see the other parents faces they're like but we're so proud of Matilda because she's going off to study psychology at somewhere and I think oh piss off yeah you know your video was broken back then were yours on the fence no not on the fence just keeping it in you know keeping it in channeling it a bit more a thing like just channel it into being the best at this or I can do that or I'll beat you at that or I'll be the fastest at this that's what I did just for the army and was the fastest so it was just a bit more channeled back then in a more disciplined way probably for the best yeah do you think that was just a case of what whenever if you're not being conditioned being smacked as a kid as well that just fueled with something and then there's a button where you just open the floodgates and think fuck this yeah yeah and I don't you know let's let's be clear I don't mind that I was smacked as a kid at all I totally risked I wouldn't that wouldn't be my choice for my kids now I would flinch if I saw someone else doing it to a kid but back in the day I totally respect what dad did for all of us which has worked really really hard so that we got to do lots of stuff and he provided for the family in the old school way so I got no complaints about the way I was brought up but there was a lot of rules in my life and it was all getting ready to blow and I think and I think that reflects in later life when we get to kind of now now that they're kind of pushed these rules on people it's that same feeling I get which is come on then watch me no I won't you know that it's that same thing so you've been that very outspoken character but do you think those slapped from your dad fucking toughened you up as well that made you who you are got toughened up a lot along the way so I got toughened up by my father and a very strict way of life I was never there's nothing ever the wrong impression about how I see my dad because my dad's done very good by me all my life and when my life went wrong my husband ran off with a secretary she was pretty good looking my father stepped in sure I go and my father filled that role so you know full kudos to my dad that toughened me up I was massively epileptic so I had massive seizures and I had to my arms would dislocate I had to pull myself together overnight I had to get it back together get my face on and get back to work that toughened me up and the military toughened me up being shouted at by big guys in your face in a personal way is brilliant for setting you up for life you know Hopkins you could eat I remember this big Academy Sergeant Major RSM shouting in Welsh across the parade square you know you could eat an apple for a tennis racket with those teeth you know the old lines but they're bloody funny they're all shouted at you so I got schooled in taking a lot of face level criticism at a young age see how people shout at you was your relationships the same because you would be quite overpowering you're very witty and you're quite intelligent where the due look for that in relationships as well you're the overpowering one so I met someone who was basically me but older and male like the older men at that time it wasn't about any of that he would walk in a room and the room would know he walked in and it was really attractive to me and it was kind of my other it was like marrying me I guess in a different way and went to America, lived in America for five years with this guy but that was problematic because we're the same thing we're way overpowering I'm way too bossy and that marriage when we got married lasted less than a year my friends were like give it a year and I was like 8 months bitches so he left he ran away and I worked in the company he ran away with the secretary and I had two kids we had two children under the age of one and a half I know I got straight back on the horse this guy you are shagging in the field oh no that's this guy the new one that's my husband now oh good the honest one's lasted 13 years so it just goes to show if anybody out there has got problems with their marriage or their relationships if you just have sex in the field it works I know man it's the wildest day the room so the speculation and I would allege it as well but the truth was we were just at it and we'd driven off from the station where he'd come and got me and we were just finding a place to do that because he was still at home with his wife but the way it was set up with the gate and also we both looked kind of hot made it seem really staged but I was kind of proud of the fact that that wasn't staged although at the time I was working for the public sector the weather people the met office and I had to ring my boss and I had a very highly paid job and tell him I was going to be on the front page of the people in the morning straddling Mark that is not a conversation and this was still back in the time of sense for me you know that isn't in this setting this was back in the straight laced Hopkins I had to ring my boss and tell him I was naked on the front pages tomorrow is that when the shackles came off do you think that you still laugh about that you and your husband we don't talk about it actually because it's just part of what we were about it's not even a big thing I know it wasn't a big thing but it was a much bigger thing and I'm not like oh my bra it's different for women if it had been a bloke it'd probably hardly been a story but because it was sort of strong woman just out of the it was just out of the apprentice in views blah blah blah and here she is the bitch you always thought shagging someone else's husband in a field I mean it was perfect like you couldn't write it but I think that you know I do think it's part of what Mark and I are about is about being free but what really what really I guess opened a can was in fact my husband my first husband Damien leaving and leaving me and it was as if all the rules I thought were rules didn't matter anymore because I was now me with two children under the age of one and a half on my own and I also worked for the guy so I now had no job either and for the first time in my life I was like I am alone I don't have a job I don't have a father I don't have a husband my straight line life that has been by the book super performing outperforming one in four one in three came first in wait a minute I am now a single mother without a husband a house and a mortgage and no job and I was I got a good smack in the face courtesy of my first marriage and a lot of that was because I was a pain in the arse so you know there's no ooh he's the bad guy not at all I don't look I don't have any feelings like that at all I look at it as that was probably meant to happen but it led to me applying to be on the apprentice and then all of the tools and the techniques and the nonsense and the naughtiness and the everything I've been keeping in for 28 years just came out and I didn't even know I was doing it how did you handle that rejection being overpowering women being probably quite controlling big left yeah I mean there's some things I've not talked of ever but like I had just so I was left yeah I've packaged this away fairly successfully so I had Indy my eldest and she's one and a half then I had Poppy straight off the bat and I was left in the maternity ward with Poppy and he left and he never so I had the baby he was sort of there although he was chatting up the nurses and then he left the next morning and I woke up in the maternity unit with Poppy and I had to get a taxi home so I had a one and a half year old a one day old and he'd gone to go and I knew he was with the lady he'd left with and that that was so brutal and honestly I would add a word of a lie once I started working through the things you have to deal with when that sort of thing happens so you have to separate stuff the divorce papers come through you have to start working out what you're going to sell you have to work through shit I honestly looked into and I had roots to getting a hitman to take out my husband not a joke I had a good bunch of contacts in the marines and because it felt much more it felt much more practical as a solution than going through the rigmarole and I felt for my daughters that when they grew up it would be much more reassuring for them for me to say your father got killed in a whatever car accident than it would to say were your dad left you and I've never once ever said that to my girls nor will I and I've never once not held the line that things didn't work out and here I am and this has worked out great and isn't your life great and what should we do later we've gone back and criticised or talked of this with them do you think that's when you then press the fuck it button and go I'm already broken so I'm just going to own it I just at the time of say applying for the apprentice I wanted to shift like if you're going along a straight line I wanted to shift 90 degrees and I didn't even care if it was 180 in a downhill trajectory it didn't matter I just needed to shift this thing and I remember applying I can remember filling in that application form and I can remember using all the tools of life and things we learn about how do I get in this how do I talk my way into this how do I and writing that form to get me on the show and I knew kind of what they would be looking for I knew what I had to do I would be the big ball busting corporate America woman in the white suit which I wore all the time who happens to have two kids as well and is like power balls and I wrote in it in one of the questions on the application forms what's the worst thing you've ever done and it was I stole someone else's husband and I went to the interview process was mad for the apprentice but every time you got past the interview table which was just set up like this I tell them this stuff I knew they wanted to hear and I'd be sent to the next room and the next room and the next room until I ended up in front of the big panel and I knew this was the big panel I knew they would want me on because it was kind of odd I was an oddity 28 you know alone kids powerful big salary and the example I gave in my handbag by chance I'd needed to get I don't you do do you have children how old are they or 12 to pry so you know maybe you know that shopping for children's shoes like if you had a choice of killing yourself or shopping for children's shoes you probably pick killing yourself like that's how I feel I hate shoes I hate other mothers I hate other children so I had drawn around the girls tiny feet they were only this big one one and a half and I'd taken the template of drawing around their feet to the shoe shop because I thought well I just get the shoe that fits the template I don't have to take kids in I don't have to deal with children or people and I'll get the shoes and at the interview that's what I produced out of my handbag because I thought it was a smart shortcut for an efficient way of mothering and life and I could see on all of their faces that didn't seem normal to them and I said okay then so I ended up on the apprentice and then that's when I was just honest I was just damn honest you know if someone was terrible I said it if someone was dreadful in their outfits I said it if someone was too orange whatever that orange Irish woman was called I said it and I thought everyone else was doing the same and then it came to air and it was just me so you were in it you walked away from that yeah why so got to the very end and without wishing to bore everybody with the excruciating detail essentially when you film the apprentice back in the day it was filmed over six weeks and they kept you hostage for six weeks no phone no money no you're not allowed out you had a show for a chaperone sorry who stood outside the toilet door I mean it was oppressively restrictive but it was filmed six months in advance of when it came out but the last the last bit the final was held so the idea was if you got to the final like I got to you were supposed to go and sit on your ass in Brentwood and wait for TV world to catch up with you for them to air the final for them to decide if you've got a non-job with Lord Sugar because there was never really a job anyway because it was all a load of TV bollocks and I was like wait a minute you want me to go and sit in Brentwood for six months I've got a life back home I've got kids I've got I've got shit to do I also had another job that paid more than the bloody apprentice was offering like I didn't need them and so I I fired Lord Sugar and in the first take I did it very I did it in my way but of course that wasn't allowed had to be redone so I had to be a little bit more gracious little because of my children I think I should leave and then I was allowed to leave so that's why I walked out really was because of this well A I wouldn't work for Lord Sugar B there wasn't really a job C he's short and I don't agree with short men sorry James and I um and D and D I was never ever going to sit in Brentwood how was Lord Sugar as a person wouldn't know yeah you wouldn't know if you go on the apprentice you never ever speak to him you know and someone like me or you we would find a wangling way of having a little five minutes with Lord Sugar right but never ever so you set up on your square you stay on your square he comes in films and off he goes and even in the boardroom you don't talk to him you're not allowed to speak until he speaks to you and then they wait for him to be fed his line and then you retake so if you said something smart I get my line fed and we retake so you never ever I've never spoken to Lord Sugar personally that's when your whole life kind of changed on that because I get mega views and you were a spoken person on that show that so you came out that that was the moment it changed is that when you realised okay fuck I've got something here I'm going to roll with that or did you become did you change characters or was that the character you had bottled up since you were a kid yeah no that wasn't a character really I mean it's just an extension or probably a true version of me like I had kind of reigned it back school uni get through Sandhurst do the right thing America board rooms professional professional but inside was all of this boo and colourful language and laughing and being obnoxiously rude and saying what I thought and not caring that you were shocked or that HR would be angry and to the point where I could lose a job you know and that all came out then and initially I was just slightly terrified because I didn't know media I didn't know what what it meant to be known I didn't know what it would be like to have you know the newspapers on my lawn on my parents lawn all of that ran away and did the jungle and just hid but I when I came back that's when I started really channeling this here's a topic what's your thoughts on it give them the light I believe the stuff I've said but don't flinch from what you've said that's the bit that's different was always well you're not you necessarily James but you're overweight so I wouldn't employ you because I don't want to work with a fat person but it was the pause after that was the thing so it wasn't really what I was saying necessarily it was the fact that I would then hold it and people found that so deeply uncomfortable as a British person that's what it was do you think you were the first woman in the UK to ever do such things and speak out like that I think so it was the first time most people had seen anything like that or actually I believe it's much more about that thing I was just saying about the silence was the first time they'd ever seen someone own it so it was the first time they hadn't seen someone that well yesterday I was on this morning and I may have overspoken and I may have misspoken and I said this but what I really meant was this and I'm so sorry and I refuse to ever do that if I insulted you today or did something here I would apologize to you immediately and I would want it to be right between us whatever that took but in terms of apologizing for something I've said because I don't like not being liked that's my line I refuse to do I will accept not being liked for my views I will accept a lot of the shit that's gone on in my life I have made happen and I accept everything that's been done to me because I made the decision to put myself out there and I personally believe you have to suck it up and I think that about MPs who get death threats I think that about people like me you just got to accept if you put yourself out there it's not all going to be sparkles and glitter and contracts on the BBC. See when you're totally out there and you've went for it this is me 100% that was it an enjoyment or when does it become on top where you're that person now you can't go back you see a lot of wet wipes now saying shit backtracking saying sorry and it's just for me it's weak like stand your ground listen we all make mistakes we all go through different stages in life we all go through different parts we do kind of I wouldn't say matured but we see the world differently I had Tommy Robinson on that I never thought he'd be saying the shit that he's saying now that he did three years ago saying the world differently fair play to the man that for anybody that sees the world that will raise differently but for me it's to let people say things from their side why are you getting so offended about what he's got to say now we talk about the transgender stuff and drag queens reading story times let's stay away from the fucking nursery stay away from the schools I express my opinion all the time on this shit and people go oh you're this forward and that forward I'm not I'm just protecting my kids like keep it 18 plus if you want to do whatever buying closed doors fucking do it don't feed my kids they don't need to see that bollocks and I'm not gonna have you tell me to try and normalize that that it's okay because people are so dumbed down to believe and see whatever they believe and see as gospel to them and that's the scary thing that we can get into lockdown we can get into so much shit that people are so dumbed down and the media has got such a big presence that people believe and people see the world from their views and that's the scary thing I think that and I also think for you know I know that we have a support network out there like this massive family of people who will give us a you know cheer us on in the street or shout out their cap window you know go on bird and we are so many you know we might think we're on our own we're not and it's what I tell people on the road all the time we are so many a number across continents like America Australians they're with us and we're with them but I think one of the things that's happened is not that people are necessarily sheep and stupid though that's a proportion and we know who they are and they push the facts and they isolated their family members and all the rest but people are schooled into learning what happens to someone who stands up so what happens to someone who puts their head above the parapet and continues so you get employed by Daily Mail you get employed by LBC like mainstream stuff and then you continue to speak truths watch what we're going to do to her watch what we do to Tommy watch what we do to this guy Belfield whatever and it's like a lesson to other people don't don't you don't want to be like them you don't want to lose your home you don't want to lose your jobs you don't want to lose your family you don't want to what happened to her you don't want that to happen to you and it's a way of controlling the general public is or controlling opinion is to say well you just keep quiet over there or we'll come for you and I think that's how we've been used or I've been used as well so see when you started off with that was it cool exciting something fresh somebody who's straight down the middle somebody who's in the army you end up working for the mayor you're making a good wage obviously they've been exciting and fresh and new and kind of as if you're living your best life when did you realise how toxic it was working in these environments yeah that's so that's so a thing is that there was there was an initial coming out of the apprentice and I genuinely I genuinely thought I'll come out somewhere near the middle and people will say oh she was a good egg she was funny and she's pretty smart and you know good as gold out I go and of course stay to the end did it became a big thing biggest bitch in Britain then I get caught humping my husband in the field someone else's husband at the time detail but it's a nothing to see here but I so there was the point where it was this morning and then I had my daily mail column and I loved it and my LBC show like radio to me is the thing I miss most of all if I could have one thing back just one thing would be my LBC show because I bloody love that show because people would ring me in their pajamas from their kitchens on a Sunday morning and they told the whole truth into that phone because it was just me they were speaking to and the nation whoever was listening got to hear ordinary people say things they really felt and that was just the most amazing thing I ever got to do but I realised after a year or so I think it took me a good year or so to realise just how brutal how toxic how contrived how manipulated it was and that was pressure to not say that to undo that a meeting with who should I meet a Labour leader and I had to undo that story just odd things happening that didn't make any sense necessarily and then being eventually pushed out of Mail Online by this dark network that descended of heads of so the chief rabbi was involved the board of deputies the Jewish organisation the Muslim council Brandon Cox charitable organisations Labour and the Tories were involved in bringing getting me removed from Mail Online and then you start to see the level of darkness that's a scary thing and when that network comes and it's something I say a lot is don't be fooled by left and right or Jewish or Muslim or Catholic or any other religion any religion you choose and don't be fooled by this charity or that when it comes to someone challenging power or questioning their power they will work together like a swirling force of darkness and they will descend and they will crush you and that's what they did because I've created a platform now we've reached millions of views and downloads each month we've become a voice for not the voiceless but for people just telling their stories from there I've been offered big money to work for a certain radio, certain TV and I've rejected everyone I've seen my vision but then do I become a threat do I become a threat for people like these people meeting up the stairs and the big dark clouds and where I manage just fuck him off and cancel everything he's worked for of course you become a threat because I've spoke to enough people who have been cancelled for having a voice and you absolutely are a threat and will be being monitored 100% that will be true when you become too much of a threat and there is a decision to eliminate you it might not be so let's just say I am on the coastline in southern Italy watching humans being ferried across from Africa and let's just say that those individuals coming over are Muslims let's say so what will happen with this gathering force of darkness is they won't send maybe the Muslim council out to make a complaint or a signed letter from the head of the Muslim councils or all of the leaders of all of the mosques they'll send actually instead the chief rabbi and the board of deputies so they work in a cohort to leverage the complaints and they're going to do it to get Neil Oliver of GB News that will be done within the week and I think it's already happening board of deputies my point is of course you're a threat and you will question how much you want to continue that but it's so important what you're doing and our numbers are growing and I bet you can feel the support is kind of surging towards you because people have a thirst for what you're doing I think it's really important and I think it's really brilliant of you to understand this genuinely that you didn't take one of the contracts you were offered because one of the really obvious mechanisms of control is to make you in-house somewhere where there are all sorts of control mechanisms that can be immediately placed on you contractually when did you realise that though because the smoke and mirrors, you know the glitz and the glamour is fucked you can be brainwashed and if you are getting offered all that stuff is such a turn on you want to lose that that's why I've got so much respect everybody gets cancelled because they've done something right and it's brutal people say cancel culture and it's like oh I got cantered off twitter but yes I'm the Daily Mail columnist I'm most read I'm being read more than Piers Morgan and he knows it I can't help it I'm talking about deeply satisfying things Piers is on the phone to the editor to try and get his column higher up on the page than mine because mine's being made like stuff I know about that was very very satisfying that I never talked of and then I'm on a boat in Cannes because it's the advertisers weekend and I'm the host of the panel and there's all these famous people I don't even know who they are Jason Derulo I got to like dance at his crotch was very exciting that was Daily Mail when I started pushing to do to be on the road to be in the jungle at Calais to be on the road in southern Italy to be really amongst the heart of the stuff I'm writing about which is what I love that is when it all changed and all of this glitter and yachts and beating Piers Morgan just sort of collapsed away and I just saw all of this control and I know people speak of the matrix but the matrix of control actually permits what you can say and what you can't and on a certain day like a switch is flipped it descends and I think being completely a cancel is too weak being completely removed from life pushes you to a point and genuinely I considered just walking out of my house and taking myself off to go swing to a point where as a parent you believe the only way you can protect your kids is to off yourself because when your kids are being reported to social services that you're an abusive mother or you've got a couple people coming to behead you in your home and it's being fitted with panic alarms you it's very clear that you are presenting a danger and a risk to your own kids but when you come the magpie I was the magpie in my own nest I know you're a strong person I know you've spoke out against many people but when were you at your weakest through all that? It's come a few times there's been times of really dark I guess when they took I have to be careful how I phrase it because I do own this it is my responsibility so if I say when they took my house well they didn't just come and take my house did they? I wrote a tweet about someone that was incorrect I deleted it I apologised for it I offered to meet I offered to do whatever was required to try and correct my wrongs in the way I spoke to you of but that wasn't enough and the new law was made that serious harm was done at the time of publication legal I guess a new legal reference a new law that meant anybody if you perceive that I've done you serious harm over the last five years you should come and sue me tomorrow that's how the law stands right now and it meant I lost my home so it meant I had to go down a kind of bankruptcy process and they took some of my husband's stuff as well I didn't mean stuff I mean money so that was dark and not the financial stuff not money per se just the home with my children's stuff and they really liked that home because we all it was a lot of fun and that was bad the heading attempt was alright I found the assassination of Katie Hopkins the play that the government part funded and the posters going up was particularly upset by those I found that difficult to explain because everybody thought it was a very you know high-minded laughing matter and you just feel like oh you're so far from that and then I think when I got I was duped into accepting a trophy called the cunt award I can't tiptoe around the words I hate that word I never say it and it wasn't the humiliation of me just that I was tired and had been stupid and had been foolish it was actually that I'd been tricked into going there because they said it was for white farmers and I'd spent three months in South Africa with white farmers I loved them and I'd been super kind and the gentleman who was the white farmer who'd been attacked allegedly that's what got me there to get the trophy to give a speech in support on the day the boy that pulled the stunt said oh he's ill so he can't come and I'd offered to go and visit him in his bed and take him a whiskey and that was a moment for me because it wasn't the humiliation it was that I genuinely believed I was being kind and ultimately I know I am actually kind and I'm quite a decent sort of person and that level of shame that was using something I cared about that was probably another time I was happily to just get out the door I just wanted to go and lie under a sea I see you're a good person everything's energy you clearly got a great energy you're a good person you've kind of lived that life where that's who you are at that starting things and a lot of the shit they say I believe in what you say a lot of shit I think that's a bit much of a down drew take on I've had Tommy on I don't agree with everything they say I talk pure shite sometimes I talk some things I say do you know what James I think I'm a genius then other times I think nah you're just psychotic feeling the rule of every fucking buddy's eyes like yeah but it's good to flick between the two and you should have moments where you're like shit I think I'm actually really good at this but also you, me Tate, Tommy all of us boys we never once asked you'll never find a clip of you saying to people I want you I demand that you agree with everything I say and that's always the bit I pick up with people when they say okay I don't agree with everything you say but and I say remember I never asked you to because it is that we never asked that we just said our stuff and we were confident that we were alright to be not liked and I absolutely feel that way and what's happened funnily enough is because the world went so mad and it went kind of 180 on its head I'm having this weird thing where instead of being the big dark malevolent biggest bitch in Britain I end up being this person that people are like shit me she isn't so bad after all and she will just speak her line and in this age where everyone's hiding we need kind of strong we need strong voices yours Tate, Tommy and I'm having this I'm so lucky to be given this second chance to do my stand up or be online or have this amazing audience and people are really marvellous what do you think it's all about Katie? it's coming what the fuck is it all about because I always say this one podcast there's no blueprint on how we should be living life always for a little fortune and fame I'm nowhere near the level I'm going to get to but I know how damaging it can be to the mindset just speak about life and other people's stories and let people and the shit that you can get from that as well I'm just a normal kid from Glasgow who came from fucking nowhere to then be creating something special that is only just blossoming and yet the shit that you get and you think why why are you so angry at it? yeah yeah yeah and I think you know so I am relentlessly and endlessly optimistic and positive and upbeat as well so I don't know what time frame that's over I certainly don't consider it to be in my time frame because I'm not here for the long haul like I haven't got like a terminal illness just yet but old age never appealed like if I go out I want to go out she died standing up so I'm not around so much longer but I believe that the story ends brilliantly I also believe that our paths are already set but every time in this damn life whenever I've thought I need to clear out of this and protect my kids something has happened that just made me go wait a minute and something comes in your path so I believe the more you are free and throw yourself through the path the more your life opens up and your surely is going to do exactly as you say and then I also know that good does prevail and I also know in modern history has there been a greater civilian militia than right now in America because every time Biden does something stupid Americans go out and buy another weapon and they are preparing and all over this fine country one of the things I'm doing that I don't speak of but I speak of here is I'm building a network of speakeasies and many of them have been built already without me I'm not taking credit and I go from town to town groups of 100 150, 250 meeting in above cafes, above underwear shops people are gathering and it is like the time of prohibition for drink now it's speech and that to me is a vast army of people that are gathering purely because they need each other and that's what my stand up gigs are as well we look around the room and go we're loads and we're pretty fine this is an exciting time and we are facing darkness we're going to be pushed and squeezed we're going to be forced out of our private vehicles we're going to be forced out of our homes we're going to have every freedom we ever knew in our lives taken and that's coming right now you see people speaking out left right and centre now they're just automatically getting shut down as much as a lot of people have free speech in that but you still got to be careful because they can just take your life away so you've got to kind of play it safe I'm not daft so you've got to play it safe that's the trick of the thing and that's exactly what if we take the GB news example they just got rid of Mark Stein because contractually they were trying to make him accountable for his own off-com finds which can be £40,000 so he walked away so now if you're the rest of the presenters what do you do do you ally with Mark Stein and say if you're getting rid of him I'm off too or do you say do you have a platform trying to keep some kind of platform even if we have to restrict and restrain ourselves it's better than no platform right and that's the point you're talking to it's a game, a frustrating game would you ever beat the forefront like you've done it you just said what you wanted I do it in such a way where I still say it but I still I know how dark it's out there yeah and it's good what you're doing and I think it's smarter and as my husband said the many many jobs I've been fired from if you know there's an open goal right you know they're looking to kick the ball in the open goal don't bloody shift out the way at least jump around like the goalie which is sort of effectively what you're doing you're ensuring you're standing in front of the goal so they can't just kick the bloody ball in the back of the net and get rid of you how many times have you been fired so many I mean so many any made up excuses to get you fired I'm just having a film they're really legit like I was never fired in my sensible phase of my life like wasn't fired from the army I just had to leave because of my crazy wiggly epilepsy that was vile but I was fired from the UK Met Office to weather people mostly because of fucking someone else's husband in a field and associated other terrible behaviours that came out during the apprentice I like jet one they prefer I was fired from I wasn't fired from the sun Murdoch did once fire me from his helicopter but his managing editor refused because they ran the column that was kind of held up at the UN General Assembly as being the worst thing that anyone had ever seen and I was interviewed under caution by the Met Police for that I was fired from the Daily Mail or I was let go but that was pathetic I was fired for that was when the darkness descends Muslim Jewish I was fired from LBC I was fired from so I was just taken to Australia to do Slept 2 Big Brother over there and I was fired from that because I spoke out about the lockdowns whilst being in quarantine and then I got deported half of my weenie were getting for the Australian one and a bit more and I was in country at a time when everybody else was locked down and you weren't allowed to go there and you weren't allowed to visit your own relatives and you weren't allowed to visit your father and they brought me in and I gobed off about that till the cows came home and that really became problematic and I guess that's my privilege and why I absolutely would ask that you continue to tiptoe the line in a bold way you're not tiptoeing like a ballerina I appreciate that but you're standing your ground within the ground you have it's because it's good for me to be out doing what I do it's amazing running towards the spears and it's great for you to keep the platform because people need you and we all have different roles to play I think yours you've already been running a hundred million dollars towards that and I've got nothing left to lose so it's all good I've just spoken to enough people to understand how their system works and that's smart I consider that to be like an evolution if we're free speech and we're like the monkeys standing up you know you're the evolution of it that keeps the platform and I have so much sympathy with that but I guess my heart will always be with the kind of rugged forefathers that were like run towards the machine guns and I love it I love that I can't be stopped you weren't allowed into America without the vaccine so I turn up in America and I stand on the stage and I say lock me up How did you get in? I come in via Mexico What's that? Mexico Mexico? Yeah Did I say it funny? When you say what's that I was like wait does James not know what Mexico is and then I was literally in my head thinking how do I make it so he does without people thinking he's silly I was like going to protect you like a mother How would you say Mexico? Just because you delayed it I thought it was something new I came in via Mexico Can I please? The story goes back a bit because when California was brutally locked down California was like Australia is run by an absolute maniac that thinks he's going to be the next bloody president and he may well be and I went out there when it was proper locked down and I went in backyards, garden to garden doing events, churches that would be open I had a kind of name over there for doing Fox and I was kind of rallying the forces in California so when America wouldn't let me in because I'm not vaccinated the good people who I helped rally before came down in a van and they would pick me up from Mexico and I go across the border as an illegal and then I would stand on a stage this happened three months ago and I say you know I'm an illegal bring it, lock me up and no one did Who did you go with?  Oh during the years that I was eviscerated here I was able to use my whatever talents I have I was able to use them in America but no I'll always be this will always be people that get me here really get me and now that my audience has been kind enough to let me back in this will always be home but Americans have freedom hardwired into their souls and they can defend it with a second amendment How did you end up in a relationship with Trump? How was he retweeting your stuff? How does the President of America share your stuff? to look at me and my boobs and ask that question That's all the reason I want you here How can you even ask how did Trump end up finding me? Like really?  I'll follow him up but that was a little bit of a back story there I went on his show and there was outrage outrage because I'm going on a show an outrage whereas in fact every time we went on that show at the best time because it's a live audience and we'd have a riot on the show and we're talking about Trump he's talking about my love of Trump and I'm like yeah well it's better to be grabbed by the pussy than have a pussy for president and it kind of broke the studio and that clip got to Trump and then behind the scenes at MenOnline he was very supportive of what I was doing and because of their PR people his PR people he slightly became enamoured with what I would write and then he would treat me and then but every time he tweeted me I'd lose something like he tweeted me and they took my PayPal he tweeted me again and they took my bank account and he tweeted me again and I was like fuck stop it will you like they're going to take my clothes next so but there's been a joy actually and that was a really fun time of life was being on Fox and having Trump in my as my wingman it's funny man in the shirt that Trump gets but he was the only president never to start a war there you go and the only politician I know of who fought to build his country as opposed to manage its decline how corrupt do you think that presidents and prime ministers are obviously there's people behind them peeling their strings but do you think how dark is it is it just like conspiracy theories for it or is it a lot deeper than I think it's the darkest it could be I genuinely think it's dark and I still believe in Thatcher you know I still believe in her I appreciate there's so many people who hate her who was glad she was dead all that I get it but I absolutely admired her tenacity at a time where women weren't in power at all and her ability to get shit done at a time when it was the unpopular decision and for her not to flinch from being hated those things were amazing things and we've never seen them again in a politician but now bought and paid for I mean Rishi Sunak who even is what even I mean invisible not even that be short can't stand short people wear short trousers oh it's just minute he's like five foot I'm five foot nine he's like he's literally tiny I can't explain it to be like four foot like Sadiq Khan height like the virtually waist height it's disgusting that shouldn't be allowed and you know James an important point is I blame women for short men because no woman should be sleeping with a short man get rid of them what do you think you're equal no an old ass feminine such bollocks isn't it women really did the number on themselves you know they were all these rights all these rights all these rights and it just made people friggin unemployable like you want to have a baby fine that was sort of your choice that wasn't the choice of the guy who was trying to earn enough wages to pay you you silly moo and the idea that someone's at home with the baby that you chose to have like all of that shit I'm not into Americans have six weeks unpaid maternity leave I'm all about that I'm all about proper proper strong women that accept that they've really stuffed up like if you're fat that's no problem but you ate yourself fat maybe you've got medical condition you can still do something about it nothing's a problem if you just own it like I own all of my bad crap like I own it so I'm all right with it why did you get so much stuck for the kind of fat shame and kind of what was it check in and when at the same time why was it so when you check in well that's just economic sense isn't it you know the idea that I'm paying I have to pay for my 30 whatever luggage 30 kilogram luggage and yet some fat twat next to me who weighs 240 they don't have to pay that's bullshit but no what really set them off blackboard liquors off was should be window liquors or blackboard scraper shouldn't it but what set them off was me putting on so what am I eight and a half stone and I put on close to four stone in three months and then lost it again in three months to prove that fat people are lazy that's what really tripped them sent them over the edge and fat me was bloody disgusting but the point I was trying to make was that we all have choices and you can choose to do something about stuff if you want to why do you think we live in a very soft in generation now just just this wanting to be liked I think it boils down to parents wanting to be liked all the time being mates you know you hear them don't you in supermarkets Hugo don't do that darling darling don't do that you know my father not saying that was necessarily the right thing and teachers wanting to be friends and everybody wanting to be loved and no one willing just to make the tough decisions call it straight say it get the job done you know move on which is a good military way of being and we're going to need some of those skills again as we head towards what is coming do you think there by another war I think they'll be there's going to be a big there's going to be a big bloody fight it's our point and if it happens in America I want to be there for it but we cannot we are going to allow 15-minute cities to happen British people are going to allow their vehicles to be taken from them an American could not physically process the idea that an energy company could break into your home to fit a prepayment meter while you're not there an American cannot understand that concept because it could not happen in America because if you enter an American's home you will be shot I used to believe Britain was one of the strongest nations on the planet it just seems to be coming the weakest even in Scotland fucking guy raped two girls put a wig on went to court and they're fucking trying to put them in a women's jail if you're a trans if you're born a man you should not be going to a women's prison you should not be competing just fucking if you want to make changes be who you want to be I always support that I always state that because I feel as if people come for me but I always state to be who you want to be do what you want do what you want don't ask us to believe it do what you want exactly you go do you leave us be but I'm not down about it that's the point is more darkness is coming so 15-minute cities we'll see Oxford lockdown and south end wherever else it's coming we'll see more being taken away digital currency we'll see restrictions on how much energy you're allowed to have or use we'll see a credit system come in but at some point a good number of British people are going to stand up and I can feel it already I feel as if people are going to stand up I feel as if you see there's more darkness coming and I don't realize how silly people we are and how fucking stupid people we are and what we need a lot of them to do just like if I'm running you know if I'm running a section or I'm running a platoon I need to find my guys so my section leaders would be my four or five key guys that I can rely on and then I need to get them to handle the stupid ones right and I don't mean that disrespectfully like stupid as in you're thick I just mean the ones who don't want a part in it who aren't going to stand up or who are going to get in the way so we need all of those people to just get out of the way and all of us who are going to stand up are going to stand up and it's going to be strong and it's going to be mighty and I'm really excited for it whatever guys it takes I think you're just like feinting Katie I absolutely love it you feel as if you've been feinting the last 15 years long stop before that longer before that yeah because I'm not at all playing a victim card I don't ever talk really when I had seizures those seizures got bigger and bigger and bigger till I was having them every single night three or four at night and they were big bastard violent things and they would dislocate one of both my arms I'd bite through my tongue or this lip which is why it looks a bit funny and it broke my back once my point is every day I'd get up and think right when I've got my arms back in or whatever I'm going to present as if I'm normal and that continued I was depileptic to get through the Santas the Apprentice corporate life all that I've done until I got cured I had this massive seizure thing going on secretly at night so I think I've always had something to fight I really like the fight and now I'm really fortunate because the fight is really for a good thing which is for ordinary people to live their life just as free as they can be yeah clear that fight at the level you were at and still doing what you're doing that takes courage and balls people just fold like a fucking deck of cars when did it come on top of the head and you had to get the operation you nearly died you haven't felt it have you how squeamish are you you have to feel it so don't squidge will you because it is actually my brain fuck you I felt it yeah so it's gone it's not that big to be fair it just confirms a lot of what people have been saying for years that's fucking minging aren't it aren't it are you talking about my vagina both the vagina is better to be fair I know you're nearly 50 but that's something better than the fucking head that's flat man aren't it how big was that operation then so they got it basically the full Frankenstein so they get a physical circular saw so the bit that's missing that you just felt for your audience is about that big of your skull so they circular saw that and then they chop from here to here so it goes from here to here and then they open so they pull all this back so they open you like that so they can get in and then they got the bit that's like a tumoury thing out through it away I'm imagining that kind of gesture and then for a while they do this called a bone flap which is fairly disgusting and they put that back in because they're supposed to because it's just gone so they went back in opened it all back up and then threw it away so I live like this, like a little boiled egg and you can feel my brain move that's my best part trick that I have but it cured me can you not get something to cover that I tell you what they turned up in my hospital room with a fucking epileptic dick head helmet made a foam and I told them to fuck that'd be funny though how could that be a comedy show though imagine me walking around with a freaking foam head no disrespect to any kid or parents who've got a child who wears one right, if I'm laughing about this I'm laughing at me I'm not laughing at your kid and if your kid's got epilepsy you have every sympathy of mine and anything I can do email me and I'll try and help but there is hope, I'm laughing at myself yeah but I just want to be because I feel badly kinda that nearly killed me but they tell you before they call it the deficit which I love it when medical people use clever words so that they're not just fucking telling you straight which is what I prefer I prefer to sit with you and you go Katie if this goes tits up you could lose your left hand and if this goes tits up your left leg worst case you lose your speech and your sight, that's basically what it was so and I'd said to Mark I'd rather not come back at all than lose those tings but turns out I came back more or less normal there's bits of me that aren't quite right when did people find out you're going for that operation that's the main thing as long as you can feel the grass in your ass when you're shagging in a field it's so good it's worth that it's a bit like a farmer's hand you could put a nail gun through it get the foam head down now see me nail gun through that operation well listen I still make a real effort when I think it's the moment I pretend to squeeze it see you go for that operation did you keep that hush hush didn't tell anyone didn't tell my kids that's a brave thing to do though why not it set me off any day of the week so I told my mum and dad and I and obviously lovely Mark knew because he's taken me and then I made a folder which I still have for my kids with all the things in letters and where all their little things were and their savings and things I thought they should know that mattered none of which probably mattered actually and then I arranged with my mother because they were coming to take over the house because children were coming up and I would leave the house and mum and I would pass in the garden and we wouldn't speak to each other because this would happen and so that's what we did so mum came with dad came in the door we passed them, got in the car and went to London for the surgery so yeah I just didn't tell anyone that's brave man because is that your character though you don't want anybody to feel sorry for you why it's not even feel sorry for you but it's like you fight the fight alone you're probably your whole life it's hard to explain that but I already see you're a good person I know you're a kind person I can see you're a soft cunt as well but I haven't interviewed enough people I know who's good and who's not everything's energy you've got a great energy and I know you're a good person you're well with the sensitive side as well and you've got that shield on and I'm this and I'm that and I believe it because even when you never want to play the victim nobody does but why have you got that mentality where you don't want people to maybe not see vulnerability but why have you always you're not even protecting yourself you're trying to protect the people around you but while doing that it's a lonely, it's a lonely case it's a lonely journey because I genuinely want everybody to be alright I genuinely want ordinary people to be super happy I sound so naff and it sounds so like the woke people that I criticize the reason I signed up for the army because I'm proud of being British I'm proud of what this country stood for and stands for and I'm proud of ordinary people fighting hard to try their best I bloody am and anything I can take on that I think helps push that forward I'm happy with and I would never it may well be easier for me to have time at home speaking about what was going to happen and how scared I was and how I didn't really have the courage to have the surgery and I was actually scared of not coming back well no I was scared of coming back but without my leg or hand but it would be much worse for my children to be worried or upset so it's always better for me to handle it alone and the same with when I'm in danger or at risk on the road like South Africa or at times different things I've done it's better that I just handle that myself rather than cause worry to someone else and I'm still alright with it but you are right there is a big there is a big well of the pressure of that or the upset of that that I definitely carry and it's not that far away from me but it's also a good reminder and a good motivator and it's useful when horrible things happen like you get given the cunt award and you're humiliated by 8 million people sometimes this is helpful because at very worst I can remind myself that I know I'm not a bad person so even if 8 million people are laughing at you you can go into yourself and know that you're not a bad person and that's actually kind of a powerful thing Well Ian Percent do you think a lot of stuff that you said and done as well was not a deflection but an ax say to them protect yourself that you weren't hurt, weren't broken hmm if people saw and that's why actually over the last period of time it's been very good because on my YouTube or Insta or whatever people see a lot more of me and they get this me and when people see this me like on Slip To Be Brother because it was all the time people go oh she's just this normal ordinary terrible woman who has terrible hair and a bad vagina and she's pretty funny and she's half a skull, half a skull, bit manky sweaty arms occasionally throwing a beard and then but she also means all that shit and they go oh well maybe I don't hate her maybe I kind of like the fact that she just stands for all that so it's been like a full circle you might have a lot more backing now but even when you're in the Big Brother house what, six years ago I was in the Callum Best I like Callum, he's such a good lad when you finish second as well it shows you that people respected you and agreed with what a lot of stuff you say what did you think, how did you feel taking that because what I've realised over the years as well when people complimented you either so was that strange for you to be one of the most hated in Britain to then becoming one of the most favourite that bit was terrible so I went in as the most hated of all time and I only took a little bag because I was like oh I'll be out in a week and I didn't want to go in because I didn't want to go in the house for all that time like in a house with nothing to do like sitting Brentwood for six months and then of course everybody has a prize and they just kept on with the cash until I was like okay so I went in there and actually you all understand this a bit or a freelancer will understand this for me it was like okay well I've got the money I don't have to I don't have to write columns I don't have to create content sorry I don't have to you know I had no pressure of a boss or people needing me I can just like chill the F bomb out and be me and just hang out in Mawanzi and chill out with Callum which is pretty much what I did and I had a write-off so that was kind of epic but then despite every single housemate voting me out every single time because I was an obvious choice and I probably pissed them off and they hoped that I'd be got rid of every single time the damn British public would keep me in and it became ridiculous because I was voted out every single time inside the house but outside everyone kept me and that became emotionally overwhelming to have support like that do you feel vulnerable when you're like not now because I believe you accept it now and I believe you know now you're good you've always believed you're a good person I believe that anyway do you know what I mean but then it was a vulnerability did you see that as people could see through me then so I like it in the moment so like when I'm doing stand up now on stage right so there's a thousand people or whatever in the moment where everyone's laughing and having a great time like next bit because it's written well and you know I love words and I love writing and everyone's having a block I love that's that's when I'm like that's me this is me I'm so happy with this this is me but the bit of the end when it finishes and everyone claps I don't like that that's like okay that's fine now thank you that's lovely I appreciate that you're here so it's in the moment of the thing that I'm at my happiest so it's why I think I'm at my happiest in the fight because it's my home and I feel really good about it what about Piers Morgan what's your opinion on him just never been really that worth all of the attention that he gets kind of unimpressive a brilliant brilliant strategic he has a brilliant brilliant strategic understanding of the media landscape and how best to play it for maximum personal gain and that's all he is what about Andrew Tate I was one of the first to have Andrew on our own personally and it's just sad to see that what can be done with you talking about this I know what's brought him down I mean why do you think all the stuff is happening to him do you think you've become too influential yeah I could list I could list right now the joining of dark forces that work together to bring him down and by name and by organisation and I could even list the signed documents they will have produced to achieve what they achieved because I've seen them when they were used for me and I absolutely respect the guy I love that my son loves a lot of what he says and I love that my daughter who'd never listened to any of what he said he's a misogynist because that's so typical and I love that he stands for strength and I love that he stands for men being manly and I'm ashamed that he's been put away and I'm ashamed of people who run away from him or the people who've had him on their show not you had him on their show so this would be a Piers Morgan for their clicks for the eyeballs because Piers wants some of what Tate's got but when shit happens Tate they run away because they want to self preserve that really grips me that's why I walk Tommy to prison that's why I'm still mates with Belfield and I've tried to be in prison to see him twice you don't walk away yeah so I've stood my ground and I've supported the guy and also showed me their platform listen if he's fucking guilty I'll be the first to apologise but right now I've got to stand my ground and I believe that he's not I believe every time I've seen him around he's very well respected and you just sense that energy man like I'm very not... when you see people struggle at a scene of a deal yesterday coming out of prison he looks dreadful those tracksuit bottoms are not helping anybody I'll always say to anyone whatever you're going to do no matter how low your life gets do not be in a tracksuit bottom the tracksuit bottom never helps a gentleman not in any regard no matter how fit you may or may not have been when he comes out and obviously he'll be calling me I imagine what first on the list second he'll be like Kate's what do you think and I'll be like Tate listen the tracksuit bottom thing stop that shit but I really like the boy and I think he's been completely stitched up like a kipper you know I think he's done nothing wrong I think absolutely he became too powerful and so this same force of darkness the switch was flicked and bouge it descended scary though aren't you a lot in that in yourself when you see people getting fucking ripped apart like that I see it and I see I see the staging of the media so you know how how much planning has gone into it because they have absolutely staged say in the initial removal from the house into the minivan leave the door open have the photographer here position him in the middle of the vehicle so that you can get a good shot of him position him here with the cameras ready so when he comes out he looks a bit bedraggled staging for the world's media to see the crushing of Tate a scary man it's so scary that people don't realise how dark and satanic the word is sometimes even with sam smith stuff I've seen his music video man I've been very outspoken about it be who you want to be but he's pretending to blast the ass off a man while getting peed on in a music video and kids can watch that the reason why I'm so it's because I've got kids I try and protect my I'm probably overprotective do you know what I mean because I know how fucking dark the world can be and especially the stuff I'm doing now that I'm so I wish I had a home school kids if I'm honest but I haven't learned what do you think the screen what do you think of the education system well two things one Sam Smith he looks like an undercooked Gregg sausage roll with nipple tassels on anybody I don't care if you think you're trans or bi or queer or ever if you're morbidly obese go and put some clothes on mate put some kit on that cause that is beastly like proper dirty disgusting looking guy who is chronically now ill that's ill okay that schooling I've really changed I used to be like ooh girls you must go to school and I got a private tutor which I paid for because my husband had left me and I had to make up the deficit I had to pay for a tutor and I was like you know like some maniac and now like my 14 year old the teachers were on strike and the kids were supposed to like log in online and Max was like erzif and I was like erzif let's go and surf so we went off and I'm like bush if you can have a day out of school we're gonna learn more than we're gonna learn in school and we've got the same issues there LGBT but Max is really kind of solid he knows his own stuff he likes tape and he's got a job so I've made it that all my only requirement of my kids was that they all got a job at 14 so he's got his job now down at the local garage so um I don't have a lot of time for school or the British school system I would much prefer kids got to leave school at 14 if they wish to and just go and hook up with trades people I know that some of the travellers are I fact one of the travellers are Balianair I hope they best let he left school at 11 Balianair when you get to school you love it and you want to go and study you know community matters and LGBT and all that bloody do it like you go do that but for the normal rest of the kids who want an adventure first get out there you know and I'm really happy that my kids are out of that now a bit Kanye West and all that stuff he sounds crazy but there's a lot of stuff that makes sense that what do you think he was doing on him I think he just got a bit lost I think so I think what he needed was a really like smart hot woman like me in his life I'd look great in some Yeezys and he needed a bit of like I think he needed a hobby honestly I think he just got pissing bored and so he just started doing all sorts of shit randomly and now he's lost everything like he's more broke than broke yeah it's a shame on that he's got nothing like a lot of talent he was as well but do you see a lot of that the media breaking people down if that was somebody else even a fucking 10 through you and through the bit to a side though push them over the edge you can understand that do you see a lot of people in this environment just broken down and I see how close they go to the edge as well and all sorts of people over the 15 years or so I've always made sure that when the doesn't matter really what side they come from even of any argument when I see that before them I'll always get in there and just say look if you need a chat if I could just say a couple of things and tell them a couple of things that helped me and that's been a variety of people so most recently I guess Andrew Bridgin I know he does align as if he's fine but that's not been so good for him there's a time the guy that runs the free speech union Toby you know many many people that don't speak of it have been pushed to the very edge the very I call it sort of the high wire you know between life and death where you're walking a fine line because you don't know if it's worth it anymore and you've been pushed there by surround sound darkness and you honestly believe the only way to stop the noise is to as I would explain it get underwater and that's why drowning I do understand drowning because it feels very silent and quiet and you get either to people's agents or get to them and just say because I think so many people see me as the last person on earth that would ever want to help someone but you know it turns out the opposite's true and we'll know that the pressures that have been put on us or take or whomever there are ways to try and get through and in the initial phases it's just holding on and breathing literally your only job is to try and get to tomorrow and that 100% is how I get some people through some of this because Tate talks about the matrix to cancel them first put them in prison setting and then they'll kill them how dark is where it's a matrix are the men in black do people give you a warning look either rein it in signers contract give you a bit more money but follow this agenda or just keeps coming keeps coming yes once they're out for you they're out for you but it quite describe it best as one of those massive I don't know pressure cooker but something big and robust so first of all so they eviscerate you from your job so you know everything you were working for and then so then it's social services on the call but they always call on Friday evening at 7 o'clock to tell you that your kids have been reported they're going to need to be interviewed there's been reports of abuse and then the call comes always in the evening from the police or there's been a there's been a report of we need you to come in for informal questioning and then in Australia too in the morning we might have to take you to immigration detention and then they shut off your water and they just keep just keep hoping they'll tip you and with litigation you know the legal letters with the costs and it just they just pile it up till there's no there's no air for you to breathe anymore I can feel that old I can feel that pressure and I know it's on tape and then the lovely thing that we can do is get in under it and just lift it up a little bit so someone can just breathe a little bit you know until they can breathe a bit more see me working through that did you feel as if nobody cared yeah yeah definitely anybody ever come forward for a UNC lesson I've got you there's always so this is sort of my to my earlier point about your path is already set there's always been one person lovely mark has been he's a constant in my life like he's an unbelievable guy and he's quiet and calm and patient and he's called lovely mark by other people but there's always been someone that just presented themselves at that moment that just lifted up the concrete and it's been the weirdest thing and it's happened every single time and it's why I guess I try and be that person a little bit for somebody else now when I see them having it done to them and but it is absolutely crushing it is absolutely designed and coordinated to get you to swing how did your relationship with Tommy Robinson start I was always an admirer I always had liked because you know we because we all have these different roles to play you have this role where it's really important you keep this ground that you've got you know this is your I don't mean other people can't come on it I mean you don't let them take it from you you keep this turf you stay in front the goal and Tommy was operating in another field you know on the streets the lute and lad I won't be crushed either I so loved that and he just was relentless in the fight to speak the truth and stand outside the court and even when we knew he'd go down and do time inside even though no one had ever done time inside for contempt before that day when we walked in this is where ordinary people just come into their own walking him to prison court but prison the wall of noise that day still makes my makes all of the hair on all of my body stand on end not that there's that much hair on my body just so you don't get the wrong image but it was Tommy Tommy Robinson and it was like there was something really euphoric about ordinary people going we're still with you but yeah Tommy sometimes criticizes I know because he feels that he gets left to fall by some of his own side me included and I understand that as well he would like me to have all of his content on my channel all the time and I totally get that what about religion I see religion is to divide the world I was raised a Catholic I've got a big fucking Jesus crucifix tattooed on my back I'll show you later I was going through that stage of my life at that stage it served me at that time but now I just see religion to divide the world and religion are great people some people follow the bad people what's your opinion on religion I've probably chilled out about it a bit because I used to be like it's the big problem and actually when we talk about the gathering of the matrix or the darkness heads of the absolutely the darkness sits with the heads of the Catholic church the heads the chief rabbi heads of religion are absolutely part of the controlling matrix 100% but at an ordinary person level I quite love that people have belief in something and I believe because of my belief which is your path is set that's sort of religious and for other people their belief gets them through and I think we need to believe in something more than just ourselves or our everyday or our work or our kids or our dog you know yeah so I believe in a higher power you've got to believe in something I did I didn't I believe I used to have addictions so I went through any GA gambling fucking lots and people turn to Christ and it changes a life and then the head people have done homeless work there's people reach the Bible saving people's lives so be it but there's so much bad in the Bible there's so much bad in the Quran friends of Christ they're amazing people as long as there's not harm in anyone I'm so be it but for me there's a higher power a question maybe I'm not a dark question but it's a deep question like why do you think humans are here wish you were opinion on it all because a question like where the fuck am I here for yeah who made us how that brain the central nervous system the spine the liver the kidneys the heart so who's created that some genius to put all that together because I think are we in a game is it are we avatars are we are we aliens is this just some metaverse fucking because time goes that fast I just turned 39 last week I know your birthday is the 13th of February means is the second aquarius you stop yeah so it's just a big why are we here thank you have a question that yeah all the time and so I have this big relationship with the sunshine I kind of use that as as an excuse to get to the somewhere wherever I can and to spend more time in hold on so saying it your way so we don't have any confusion but I like when I see the sun in the morning when I'm out running right I'll stand and I will stare at the sun because I'm like hmm put the sun in me and it will power me through the day like some rechargeable cell but I believe our purpose here is to like carry the torch right and so every day we're carrying the torch but not literally a torch but we're carrying this baton and our very best effort is to try and make other people's day it's kind of alright or a bit better and to carry this kind of faithfully as we can like how we got past it so that we can pass it on so that's like parenting or having kids or if you don't have kids you still trying to like do your best effort so that when you pass it along or you pop off you left it pretty much alright that to me is what our job is so it's not like got a massive meaning but then when you look at the darkness that's coming when you look at our press we're about to be when you look at how freedom is about to be crushed out of us it does make more sense that you're going to take on this freedom torch and what we're going to pass it over with what 15 minutes city's not being allowed to fly you have to be vaccinated digital currency piss off because that is not what we talk the torch on as so that's my reckoning but I like I like the people believe I do and I love the Americans still say one nation under God and Americans believe your freedoms are given to you by God and that might sound religious and kooky but what it means is no man can take them away and that is in that is instilled in them and if only more of us understood that no man can take them away no nipple height Rishi Sunak can say net zero is the ambition no it's not piss off do you know what I mean see when you're back in the day when you're controversy bringing all the views how much do you look back and then feel used because I watched Andrew take them because Piers Morgan he did Andrew take for his show I believe to bring views 100% that's why I'm pissed because then he runs away if there's this and that's getting attention that's Piers if there's this and that's getting attention that's Piers he'll just move to he'll he's just an attention vulture but that's what you were as well because you were on Celebrity Juice you were on everything and anything that do you look back and think they fuckers you but you're still promoting your own brand as well I was happy with it I said I do I was happy with anything I didn't want to do Celebrity Big Brother I didn't do until the point they paid me so much that I felt morally obligated because my husband was looking at me like yeah they're going to pay you this much so so I feel absolutely not used by anybody in that regard yeah that's a good thing I was naive about some things like going on the apprentice I thought I'd come out looking alright but that's my naivety I still chose to engage with all of this and I did I don't feel used by anybody see when you got cancelled then you get the operation come after being cancelled no before that so see when you're going through all that as well and thinking about your life are you just thinking what next though did you have plans removed yeah well for a while well for a while I was doing the okay what I have to do today is breathe in and out not top you know not bend yourself because that's years and years of hard work as well putting yourself at the forefront taking all the abuse taking the difference well and also learning learning to write columns well learning to write columns people would read learning to write columns that my boss would approve of my boss was not working for mail online it's not you know most men don't last too long there because it's brutal if someone doesn't like what they've done they will pick up a phone and shout your friggin nuts off until you do what they want it's a brutal industry same with radio if you don't perform you're gone so so I was I got myself good at that career to have it all taken yeah that but it just over you know just I guess this refusal to stay down that thing that we have in us that enjoyment feeling most myself when I'm in the fight or on a stage or people are with me and they're having a good time or feeling better that just is in me I can't stop it and so I set out and I spent three months on the road in America just bringing audiences together where I could work and eventually now Britain is sort of caught back up with me and I'm very very lucky that I have the opportunity possibly of a stage again do you feel as if this is a flash chapter I knew it I wouldn't say new improved me I'm very lucky to be super well really I'm super I'm beyond lucky to have like the people that support me that do just ought to turn up events and stuff it's awesome and I am I'm really really happy to be alive now like I think sometimes that we have the worst of times coming but this was one of the best of times to be alive so I'm really chuffed and if my life did end as I leave here I mean ideally not falling down the stairs no not at all but if your life ended tomorrow and you're alright with it I don't think that's depressing at all I think it's awesome you speak about death create a lot though yeah because I am definitely maybe I had to reconcile with it a while like so I'm so it is really British people need to reconcile with death earlier in life because it allows you to live your life completely free of course as soon as you're born you start to die that should be the only motivation you need to get up in the morning well that's more freaking depressing than anything I have if anyone says you are I'll do motivation with quotes and really that is really depressing no not at all it's just if we reconcile so we wouldn't have the need for vaccines and lockdown if people weren't terrified of the idea of death this idea that you could run and hide from death is what allowed the government to control people if you lose that fear you're uncontrollable and that's perfect how did you get into comedy? the stand-up side of things? you're a funny bastard anyway honestly what is your videos and things? it's because your deliverance is saying something because you used to push people's buttons to me and my mum like she used to push the buttons to say still calm now you can feel the rage do you feel as if okay I've won do you feel I've won as soon as you've given that energy you've won whatever it is you're talking about because you've done it so calm and collective people just do because I watched a few of your interviews on the channel coming down I thought you're a fucking bastard because you'll say things and it's done really calmly and really dry but also as if I'm your friend and yet I just patronize him and then you just slight pause with middle distance and then you fucked him and I always thought I was funny my husband's like you're not arching funny and then I've been learning how to try and deliver more funny and it's working out alright and because life's so bloody ridiculous you've got dickheads running around with masks on their own in a car it's pretty easy to be funny so as you see a change now you're becoming not a different character but you've seen more love coming in that's what it has all about it's good to feel important it's good to feel love that is man we can hate and we can say shit to cause a bit of controversy but the bottom line is when we go home at night we just want our kids to be happier man, wife and just to love isn't it when we go people will chat to me cause they either think they know me or do know me or know my face or think I work at the hospital so they chat and everywhere I go I have a bit of a laugh with people and I'm getting to do this amazing thing of being on the road doing stand up with brilliant audiences that I love stay behind till the last man's standing afterwards I hug every single person that comes that wants to force myself that's our next routine quid you got a blow job and that's just me no and yeah I have definitely lived this life and I've definitely been through it but I'm definitely on the easy bit now I'm on a really good thing where can people get your tickets Katie? yeah, Mark built it so it's Katie's arms because I have arm muscles people have made the thing about my arms so it's like a pub it's Katie K-A-T-I-E-S arms A-R-M-S Katie's Arms.com well there were 30 venues we're down to like eight because of weirdos trying to cancel everything and we're sold out in Bristol and Bournemouth and Stamford but there's still tickets in Stafford, Perfleet we're coming to Scotland in October Blackburn there's a few tickets left so please do go and I say this not for myself and I say this not because I want to sell tickets I say it because I want people in the room because if you look around the room 13th of May in Blackpool a thousand people with you who just want the very best for you and want you to be okay and to think whatever you want and they'll buy you a drink probably half time that's all I'm about right now and you've still got your YouTube, you've still got your Instagram YouTube's still there, Instagram's still there and what's happening with Twitter?


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