Thank you, Julian Hill, for coming to The Hill. Can you answer a few questions about Julian Assange? The first question that I would have for you is in relation to the letter sent by doctors for Assange, which is a group of over 300 doctors now, to the UK Home Secretary, Preeti Patel, pointing out that we have a problem now with the US Assurances. They were made, the doctors say, in relation to a prior health condition, which was mental health. And since then, on the 27th of October, he had a minor stroke. And the doctors are all saying that this is more often than not a sign that a major one is on the way. This has never been discussed in the courts. And even though it happened when he was attending his appeal, he was in Belmont Prison. But I'm pretty sure they had view on him. And Mary Costa-Caitis and I saw him. All of the journalists had view on him. So this is a real problem because one of the expert witnesses, Yancey Ellis, said that in the William G. Truesdale Alexandria Adult Attention Center, or ADC, where Ellis said Julian will most likely go, there are no doctors and no real medical facility while one of the doctors for a science former surgeon, Dr. Arthur Chesterfield, even said that if he has a major stroke, he will need, and Jill Stein backed that up, also a general practitioner, that he will need emergency room treatment for a very dangerous and delicate procedure within three hours. Now, Julian is locked up for 22 hours a day in isolation. And he has this stroke. He may not even have a chance of being discovered. And according to Dr. Arthur Chesterfield Evans, after four and a half hours, it's really not worth it. There would be no chance of recovery. What are we going to do about this situation, Julian? Look, thanks, Kathy. And I wanna thank everyone who continues to speak up for Julian Assange and defend the principles that we're fighting for. In particular, speaking up for press freedom and pushing back on what this is a blatant attempt to do, which is to chill the free press. I also wanna acknowledge the many community activists, community leaders, and community organisations that continue to put in effort around Australia, but in other Western democracies. And the efforts of the 300 doctors, I received that material some weeks ago and have forwarded it on within the government. It is deeply concerning. And I, like many Australians, were appalled at the British court's decision to approve extradition overturning the initial decision and deeply disappointed, though sadly not surprised by pretty but tell the UK Home Secretary's approval of the extradition. Extradition is always in democratic systems, a political judgment to make ultimately. And extradition in my view, a principled view, should not be approved for what are inherently political crimes. They're matters of principle, which I've stated before. Now, I understand the reasons from speaking to his legal team, why Julian has to date rejected consular assistance from the Australian government. It may be time that that position is reconsidered because it is frankly very difficult for the government of Australia to get involved in these issues and try and seek assurances and push for assurances around health issues when consular assistance has been rejected. I'm not meaning that to be an inflammatory comment, it's just a statement of fact. And I do understand why to date that consular assistance has not been taken up and why there hasn't been trust in that process. But the medical evidence is deeply worrying about his current health conditions and it would be appropriate for the government should we be allowed to do so under the consular assistance banner to get involved and seek greater assurances around the conditions in which he's currently being kept and any future conditions around medical treatment. That's what I'd like to see. Sorry, to be clear, what I would like to see is the prosecution dropped, extradition not approved and the matter brought to a close. And the Australian government has been clear before and since the election that the case is dragged on for long enough and that the matter should be brought to a close. They were words enough is enough that the now Prime Minister, Anthony Albanese have used before the election and we continue, so I'm assured, to express the government's view to the UK and the US about our position. Thank you, Julian Hill. My second question concerns an article in Declassified Australia by the lawyer Kelly Tranto who submitted freedom of information request to the Attorney General Department and she received documents regarding a prisoner transfer protocol. There was a lot of stuff that was redacted in what she was handed back and that was in relation to key risks and mitigations. What we could see there really principally concerned what happens after Julian is extradited, goes through perhaps 10 years of the appeals process and finally, we don't want this to happen but if he gets convicted then there is some kind of loose agreement that he would be allowed to apply to serve a sentence in Australia where America would dictate how long he is imprisoned here. Now, we are very concerned about what's hidden behind this black rectangle of redaction. The question that Kelly Tranto poses is she would hope that one of the key risks is suicide in fact, that's the one that she draws attention to. She also puts in a quotation from Professor Koppelman who was one of the expert witnesses for the defense. He's a world renowned psychiatrist and so was another one, Professor Quentin Dealey. However, there were two other expert witnesses on the prosecution side and all four were in agreement that Assange presented a moderate to high risk of suicide not in the US, but in the UK. What was stated in the quotation from Koppelman and this is something that I've been aware of because, and Mary Costa-Caitis as well because we have been in the courtroom for the last two years. We remember very clearly this being said and this troubling me for some time that once Julian's extradition became imminent, he would find a way to complete his suicide and this view was accepted by the magistrate, Vanessa Boraita from the lower court. Now, the problem is, and Kelly Tranter points out that because these assurances are about conditions in the United States, they are immaterial if he's going to commit suicide in the UK if he never makes it out of there. So what can we do about this? Oh, sorry, I'd just like to add something to that. There is an application to the Office of the Information Commissioner to have the redacted material released. Now, one reason that I think that that should be approved is that how can we have a guarantee given the complexity of this case, its duration, the avalanche of misinformation that has surrounded Julian and the case for the last 10 years? How can we be confident? We as journalists who are pretty well expert in the case now, how can we be confident that our diplomats have been well or accurately informed about this? Shouldn't the Office of the Information Commissioner say yes to scrutiny, even if it's by a limited number of people who are given clearance for that purpose? Just to make sure, just to do the fact-checking, that's all. The reports regarding Julian's health and the concerns, professional concerns by multiple psychiatrists now regarding his welfare and potential suicide, suicidal ideation, or indeed actions, are gravely concerning. They're concerning, I think, to any decent human being and caring Australian and also no concern within the government. To be clear again, I don't want to see him extradited. I don't want to see this prosecution dropped and the Australian government wants to see this matter brought to a close. That's our firm position. As I noted earlier, there's limits to the extent to which we can engage in detail on his behalf in relation to health and consular concerns, given his refused consular assistance. And I understand the reasons for that. And there are limits at this stage, in a legal sense, because Australia and the Australian government are not parties to the case. That's just a fact. It's not an avoidance of responsibility statement. I'm not trying to avoid the question, but it's also a fact that the Australian government is not a party to the case. And that ultimately, we can make representations as we have, but we cannot force or stop the extradition or the prosecution. And that goes to diplomatic efforts and so on. With regard to those documents, I had a look at them. I thought that much to the article and analysing the context was very robust. I thought some of the framing was probably a little bit over the top. And it's entirely normal. The documents are released according to the FLI laws. My overriding concern is that those decisions are made according to the law and are made properly and quickly. And don't drag on for months or years as we've seen too often with the former government. Yeah, could you be a little bit more specific about what bring this matter to a close actually means? There's multiple ways, maybe I'll reference some of the media reporting that I've seen, which I think is well covered. And as I've said, I would like to see the UK decline the extradition and not agree to extradite him. And I would like to see the US drop the prosecution. There's multiple ways in which that could happen. And as I said, this is an unfortunately realist observation and it's not a new observation. There are observations that are made in speeches before the election in media interviews and in our private discussions within the parliament. I think this is recognised Australia is not a party to the case and ultimately we cannot force the UK or the US to cease the trajectory that they're on. We can try, but we can't force it. They're just facts. Now I understand and I've seen the community commentary that would like the Prime Minister to speak more publicly about the contents of his private conversations and efforts. I've seen many people would like us all to scream from the rooftops. I think it's entirely appropriate that people are gathering outside the parliament, that around the country we continue to see week after week people coming, taking to the streets, standing outside government buildings, speaking up in the press in favour of Assange. I really do. I also think it's appropriate, given we know the Prime Minister's position on this issue has been clear internally and externally. I also think it's appropriate and I trust his judgment about the best way to prosecute these things and his judgment at the moment is that quiet diplomacy, making clear our position to partners and allies around the world and other governments is the most likely way to achieve a result. Now, I won't put words in the Prime Minister's mouth. I want to be really clear that's not what I'm doing, but I have seen a number of media reports in recent weeks which I think had a lot to offer in terms of insight into the difficulties and the barriers, particularly within the US system. I think you've made the point, Cathy, quite rightly that this is a political case. It's a political decision to extradite and we've conveyed our view to the UK government regarding that. And it's also a political decision in the US and I think highly politically charged matter. There was some sensible, I think, media commentary over the last few weeks identifying difficulties or barriers or roadblocks that make this case particularly tricky to resolve within the US in the short term. One is President Biden's stated priority on leaving the Justice Department to be independent. And so there's a very high threshold, if you like, for him to intervene, given his public statements on many other matters, for him to just direct the Justice Department to drop a prosecution. Again, that's a fact which has been reported by pretty credible analysts and I think we should give it weight and understand that given the political rhetoric that President Biden has put around not behaving like President Trump and making political interventions and prosecutions, that's a difficulty which needs to be resolved. And I think the Australian government's judgment is probably right from what I can see from the outside that difficulty or delicacy may not be aided by loud, screechy diplomacy. The other observation that's been made again by I think it was Joe Hockey as the former ambassador and a number of sort of Washington literate people far more than you and I, Kathy, is the timing is always an issue with these things and that the midterm elections are coming up. There's very strongly held views about Julian down on Capitol Hill. And those much wiser and closer than you and I have observed that the timing question would also be delicate before the midterms. And the third observation I'd make and I'm someone who's made the point repeatedly that Chelsea Manning, the person who leaked the classified documents was pardoned, had his sentence commuted, whereas Assange has now been incarcerated for longer. I would observe also, as the media have said, that her sentence was commuted after a legal process and a guilty prosecution and that's a view which some parts of the US establishment we've seen in public reports and dispatchers in the media have been raising as well. So I think those issues give you a sense of some of the barriers. And again, I just need to be clear. I'm not party to the discussions. I'm not a member of the cabinet. I'm a backbencher with a set of principle views. But I think that some of the media reporting there has pointed to some of the difficulties and probably starts to make sense of why the prime minister's taken the view that this is best prosecuted in the way he's doing so to leave the American system maximum room to move and to close in answer to your question. Therefore, there's a number of ways that this matter could be brought to a close, Cathy, but they're not within our control. Yeah, well, timing is pretty sensitive. It's been a decade and we were just quite worried that he may not last for that much longer. He's very frail. And there's another upsurge of more dangerous COVID in the UK. It's horribly concerning. The media reports, the health reports, the assessment by the doctors is horribly concerning and underscores the urgency of bringing this matter to a close and releasing him from incarceration in those conditions. That's what I want to hear, that that's how we bring it to a close. That's my view, Cathy, very clearly. I get it, Julianne, you're probably the person who's the most well-informed about Julianne's case. Maybe I've used a lot of words there. I'll just sort of sum it up in simple terms. Many of us feel so strongly about this issue in civil society and in the parliament and certainly the Labor caucus. And resolving it is not fully within our power. That's just the fact of life. I wish it were. I wish it were. And those barriers, which I've tried to point to in a sort of a measured, thoughtful way, because I've been giving this a lot of thought with others working on the campaign, what are the barriers? What could we do as a global community, people working in other countries who had discussions with people from the UK and elsewhere? What could we do to try and resolve some of those questions? And people who've thought about this deeply have observed there are real barriers in the Justice Department intervention issue, in the issue about pardons versus commutes versus dropping sentences. And, of course, with the timing of the midterms. This is all caught up in the US political system. I wish it were otherwise. So sometimes these things become a question of approach and timing. I was just wondering, have you seen what's behind those rectangles of redaction? Have you any knowledge of what's been said? Just because I wondered if one of the key risks with Julian is that he would go back to work and start revealing things again. As you've heard me say before and answered the questions like that, Kathy, I'm not doing hypotheticals and I'm not going to speculate. I have no knowledge. No, you haven't seen it. OK. Can I just make one other point from a former life as a public servant that from the outside there's often conspiracy theory or innocence or stuff up. And I've found in life you're always better to back innocence or stuff up because conspiracy theory is very, very rare. I do have it. I'll put this on the record. I do have great faith in all of my dealings over many years now with the professionalism of the Department of Foreign Affairs and the insight and intelligence that they bring to their task. And I mean that in the broadest sense of intelligence in every sense. So I've got no reason to doubt that the advice they're giving is the best that they can possibly give. Well, based on the information that they've been given and that's one of my concerns that they may have been misled. We don't know and we can't know unless the Office of Information Commissioner will agree to let at least some people see and fact track what's in there. Can I just move to the US now? So there's almost a ray of sunshine here. There have been some proposed changes to the Espionage Act by squad members Rashida Talib and Elan Omar. And these changes limit who the Espionage Act applies to. It's basically government employees who have signed a contract or a note that they are not allowed to tell certain information is secret and they engage legally to keep it a secret. But not journalists. So this is one of the changes. And there is another clause that reason to believe is change to you must have specific intent to harm national security. And the most interesting one I find is that information must have been properly classified. Now under Obama's executive order of 2009, it's executive order 13526 section 1.7, it is illegal to classify anything that conceals violations of law, inefficiency or administrative error or which just simply prevents embarrassment to a person or organization or agency or even to prevent the release of information needlessly in a so-called interest of national security. In accordance with this law, Talib proposes an affirmative public interest defense for the purpose of disclosing misdeeds to the public. The Espionage Act is currently a matter of strict liability, but we can't assume that everyone behind closed doors is innocent or simply incompetent. Now, my goodness, there's only two of them so far, unless there's a few more that have joined. But that last one about information being properly classified, there is a problem of over-classification. Two, in fact, one that there is far too much that is classified. And the other one is that WikiLeaks actually did pick the things that that's what they published, stuff that was mainly illegally classified. What do you think about this? And how can we actually promote the idea? I know it's an American question, but would the Australian government make representations that they straighten out their Espionage Act to stop charging journalists because journalists would not be charged under these new amendments? Yeah, I'm no expert on the US Espionage or legal framework. And I think you implicitly acknowledge there the Australian lawmaking system, intelligence architecture and legislative architecture and indeed the laws themselves are fundamentally different from the US system. They're a presidential system with two co-branches of government hence a lot of the legislative architectures just fundamentally different because it also goes to the relationship between Congress and the administration. So I don't think I'm in a position to comment on in any great detail and it would be highly unusual for the Australian government to be advocating specific legal changes one way or the other or getting involved in the legislative system of another country. Are we going that way too though in being too draconian about what people are entitled to know? Well, I think as I said before, there's a freedom of information regime in Australia which Labor put in place. We've been very critical in opposition regarding the resourcing in particular and the time taken to make those decisions and I'd hope to see that we can make prompt to fairer decisions. There will always be things this should not be a radical statement particularly in the security area that we're living through threats of terrorism and so on and not fantasies of the intelligence agency sadly as we've seen so often in the world. They're real, there will always be things that cannot be revealed publicly. There will always be a need for some government secrets. The question of course is where you draw that line and making sure that things are done according to the law that applies. So I think that our commitment to making the FOI ratio work as important as is strong and ongoing oversight of the intelligence agencies and the security sector. In that regard, Australia's intelligence, the IJAS, the Inspector General of Intelligence and Security is a critical institution with the powers of a standing Royal Commission to oversight those agencies. And to date, I think the appointments to that position have been exemplary as is the commitment to the independent national security legislation monitor which again is something that the former government questioned and then we're moves to try and wind back or use at that office and that we're committed to. You can see in our national platform and the bills in previous parliaments introduced by Penny Wong and others of a commitment to robust oversight of the intelligence agencies and that'll continue. Thank you very much, Gillian Hill.


From Hollywood, it's time now for Johnny dollar that McCracken Johnny Universal Adjustment Bureau. Hi Pat. What's in your mind ever heard of a B&C? Well, yeah back in the first grade. Oh look, I'm not talking about the alphabet. I'm talking about an advertising agency Oh, what about it? Well the a stands for Appleton Alfred Appleton 55 years old eastern trust has his life insured for a hundred thousand dollars So it's in your it starts paying off at the age of 65 and we'd like to see him collect it Looks like somebody else has different ideas. What do you mean? He thinks somebody's trying to kill him I see you want me to run down to New York and talk to him He's up at his weekend place now, but a hundred miles up the coast Overlooking the sea at the skeleton point. You can talk to him there skeleton point now. That's a cheerful name I know Johnny. Mm-hmm. Make sure it stays just a name Exciting adventures of the man with the action-packed expense account America's fabulous freelance insurance investigator. Yes, truly Johnny dollar And now act one of yours truly Johnny dollar Spence account submitted by special investigator Johnny dollar to the eastern trust and insurance company Hartford, Connecticut Following is an account of expenses incurred during my investigation of the 11 o'clock matter Expense account item one eight dollars forty cents gas and mileage on my car to skeleton point through a drenching rainstorm The apple in home perched high on a cliff at the edge of the sea was an old weather beaten affair But right now it looked mighty good to me Yes, is this mr. Appleton's house? This is the Gregory house. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Appleton only leases this house Oh, I see. Well, is he at home? I believe he's expecting me. You're Mr. Dollar. Yes I'm mrs. Gregory the housekeeper Come in mrs. Gregory had a strong determined face and dark metallic piercing eyes She took my coat and pointed to a door across the entry hall I was conscious of her eyes following me as I entered the library to find two men seated in front of an open fire Johnny dollar. Yes, sir I'm Al Appleton. This is my attorney Grant Hillman. How are you mr. Donald? I'll a little damp mr. Hillman. Oh, I hear sit down to the fire dry out. Oh, thanks Feels good and slightly warmer than the welcome the housekeeper gave you a man. This is Gregory Well, she did seem a little reserved. She's a widow Owns his house, but I love the place. Oh Anyway, I'm glad you came I understand there's been some sort of attempt on your life, mr. Appleton Well, mr. Appleton has received several Crank notes lately. We thought it wise to take what precautions we could have you notified the police mr. Hillman. No, no, I vetoed the idea Johnny. Oh Why mr. Appleton? I didn't want that kind of publicity right now My advertising agency is right in the middle of landing a fat new account your agency is a bnc. That's right Who are bnc? The C is nobody hmm Tom Baker and I like the idea of ABC But we didn't have any other partners. So C just stands for company. Well, this Tom Baker is your only partner He was there's some question as to whether he still is I don't follow you Al I don't think there's any need to go into that now. I guess you're right Grant Anyway, I don't want to accuse Tom of anything until I've had a chance to go over the books this weekend Did I use someone at the door a moment? This is Johnny dollar Laura mr. Dollar my wife. Oh I see How do you do mr. Dollar? Mrs. Appleton dollar the cranklet as Al has been getting up in my room. I'll bring him down. Okay, mr.  Dollar enough dear perhaps He has business back in the city nonsense. Let's storm out there. Oh, I'll have this is Gregory make a room for Well, would you like a drink mr. Dollar? No, no, thanks Mrs. Appleton you seem rather surprised when you saw me here. Who did I almost as though you were expecting someone else Someone else. Well, I know I I wasn't expecting anyone in particular. Well, perhaps I just Wait hold it What's the matter that flange of lightning that someone outside that window? Oh, no, you must be wrong. They're right here I Grabbed my coat and went on into the storm because of the prowler sure but also because of Laura Appleton Because she'd been staring at that same window shaking her head quickly as though warning someone But outside in the downpour in the mud I could see no one no footprints Finally I went back inside to the phone in the entry hall to call the local police But the phone was dead Maybe the storm had knocked down the lines Yeah Well, maybe someone just wanted to make sure we'd have a nice cozy weekend Undisturbed and my hunch was It might be too cozy for comfort Or is truly Johnny dollar in a moment and now for another episode in the life of sergeant Donald Bellweather My husband close your eyes and take another nap. We'll be home soon. Are you it? Nothing very bad. It's all right. I Just a little sleepy. It's on Who is up a while take a little nap What if we do get home later than we planned at least we'll arrive in good health. Yeah, you're so right About 1,800 American drivers lose their lives each year because they fall asleep at the wheel Well, I'm just not gonna make it 1,801 Highway Just take a nap for about an hour. I'll be refreshed and we'll be on our way again All right I'm sorry. I'm not gonna make it 1,801 And you're not gonna make it 1810 to either That's my Donald that's my doll Johnny dollar and the 11 o'clock matter In that rain mr. Hill when I couldn't see 10 feet in front of me can you describe the face you saw at the window? Well, it was more of a silhouette I couldn't even tell if it was a man or a woman. You sure you did see some in Johnny Yes, reasonably sure mr.  Appleton Tom Baker Hello, I thought I'd surprise you. I tried to call you earlier, but your phone was out Well, this is a surprise. Well, I'd like you to meet Johnny dollar dollar. Hi, Tom.  Did you just now get here mr. Baker? Yes, why mr. Dollar thought he saw someone outside the window a few minutes ago. Oh No, I just now got here. I got some extra clothes up in my room that should fit you down Let's get you changed before you catch cold. Thank you. Oh, look, this rain is getting all of us down Why why don't we live a little huh?  Yeah, it might be a good idea Where's the beach house down near the bottom of the cliff with a beach it's real nice But in this weather. Oh, there's a stairway leading down. Yes. Why don't we go down there? I'm I'm getting the creeps just sitting around here like this. We went down to the beach house The rain had let up a little but nobody seemed to feel much like a party We just sat there in front of the fire not saying much Once or twice I thought I'd detected Laura Appleton and Tom Baker exchanging quick glances But I couldn't be sure that's the intercom from the house. Oh, yeah, I'll get it Yes, Mr. Gregory, you can go on to bed. We won't be needing you anymore tonight. You know bed sounds like a good idea It's almost 11. I'm beat so if you'll excuse me. Oh sure sure. Well, why don't we all? Could we have our talk now? Oh Okay, Tom if you insist Laura, why don't you fix us another drink all right now? How about you mr. Dollar? Hey, yeah, I'm with you helman. Let's go on up to the house Mr. Hillman, I didn't come with you because I was tired. I wanted to talk to you I thought as much early this evening Appleton said something about not wanting to accuse Baker of anything until he'd gone over the books this weekend What did he mean? Well, I'm not really sure mr. Dollar All I know is that Al seems to think he may have found some irregularities in the books of his advertising agency Oh, well, if there was anything wrong, I'd blame myself partially my son Well, I manage most of Al's affairs, but the agency's been running so smoothly at least so I thought that Well, I see that that's going to change as of right now. I didn't come up to go to bed either I'm going to work on those books ought to take me about an hour Just about 11 now. Will you be up by midnight? Yeah, I'd like to know what you find out Where's that light switch? I never could remember it Dollar what is it that somebody else in here look out once I guess I was out only a few seconds because the clock was still striking when Hillman brought me to dollar. Are you all right? Yeah Yeah, I guess so I grabbed at him whoever he was, but he knocked me loose by the time they got the lights on he was gone Oh lucky for you. We only stunned you momentarily. Oh brother Human did you see where he went? Well, he didn't leave by this front door here. I'm sure that then he must be still in the house We worked our way through the house room by room finally ten minutes later. We stood by an open window in a back room There's our answer You got out this window. Yeah, what is it? What's the matter? Oh? Mrs. Gregory. Yeah, mr. Dollar was attacked by a problem problem. What? That's terrible. Where's the intercom to the beach house? We'd better tell mr. Apple. I right there on the wall This button here. Yeah, no answer Come on. Hellman. Let's get down there Pounded out of the house and along the path to the edge of the cliff Laura standing at the top of the wooden stairway One section of the railing was broken away We looked over the cliff. There was a party lying in the rocks down below It was Al Appleton Johnny dollar in a moment. Do you know who said? Democracy is based upon the conviction that there are extraordinary possibilities in ordinary people Those words came from the American religious leader Harry Emerson Fosdick From the earliest days of the United States of America There has been the sentiment that the average person can achieve an important goal if he is given an environment in which he can develop his capabilities to the fullest extent an Environment in which the individual is given the rights and privileges that he needs for development It is the duty of every American to protect and stimulate this environment Remember the words of Harry Emerson Fosdick They are part of your American heritage The extraordinary possibilities of ordinary people Are inherent in American democracy And now act three of yours truly Johnny dollar and the 11 o'clock matter We stood on the stairway at the top of the cliff looking down at Evelyn's body in the rocks below That is Hillman and I did Laura Appleton was in the state of shock and we couldn't get much sense out of it We had Mrs. Gregory take her back to the house then Hillman and I got a flashlight and climbed down the rocks to Appleton's body Dead Mr. Darling. We better not move that body until the police get here. Yeah Let's see His wristwatch stopped at 10 after 11. It's 11 30 now right And because the clock was just striking 11 when I got hit over the head in the empty hole Yeah, because then we must have spent 10 or 15 minutes searching the house for that prowler Meantime he or somebody else was shoving Appleton over the cliff somebody else There were a couple of people with Appleton down at the beach house Laura and Tom Baker, I'd forgotten about Tom. Where is he right now? Hillman? That's a very good question We went back to the house the phone was working now So I put in a call to the local sheriff's office But all the units were out on call. They'd send somebody as soon as they could I started for Laura Appleton's room grand Hillman overtook me in the hall Dollar I made a preliminary check of the agency records Appleton brought up here with him this weekend. Did you find a shortage? Yes, possibly as much as $50,000 I see Thanks, Hillman. Yeah, I'll see you later Come in Mr. Dollar I I'm feeling better now. I'm sorry to bother you with questions, Mrs. Appleton, but I'm afraid I have no choice Yes, I understand. I want you to tell me exactly what happened. Well, I'll try After you and grand Hillman left the beach house My husband and Tom Baker and I sat there a few minutes And then Tom left. I see Then a couple of minutes later somebody from the house called my husband on the intercom. So he left me What time was that? A few minutes after 11, I guess What happened then? I uh, I sat there a few minutes longer than I Well, I I just didn't feel like sitting there alone. So I started up the stairway When I got to the top I I saw that the rail had been broken away I I looked over the edge. Okay Mrs. Appleton, why did Tom Baker come here this evening? I don't know. I think you do What? You tried to warn him when I saw his face at the window earlier His face? And the two of you kept exchanging glances all evening I know you're wrong Listen grand Hillman's in a position to know something about your husband's business affairs, isn't he? Of course, why?  Hillman confirmed it a few minutes ago after going over the records But surely you don't think that Tom Baker had- Baker was your husband's partner Maybe he came up here to try to square things with him. Was that it? No All right Tom did come up here to talk to my husband. What about? I was going to ask for a divorce To marry Tom Baker? Oh, I- I know it sounds Sorted now after what's happened, but it wasn't that way at all Tom and I wanted everything in the open. We wanted to tell Al But I- Well, I didn't realize that you and Grant were going to be here this weekend That's why I tried to signal Tom not to come in Go on Down at the beach house. He wanted to talk to Al, but Well, I guess he couldn't bring himself to it That's why he went for a walk And you haven't seen him since No Oh, Mr. Dollar, I- I know my story doesn't sound very convincing, but But if you're trying to suggest that either Tom or I killed my husband Yeah Dollar, could I see you a minute? Oh, sure I'll talk with you later, Mrs. Appleton What is it, Helman? Tom Baker just walked in Baker? Yes, I thought you'd want to talk to him I sure do Look, Mrs. Appleton claims somebody called her husband at the beach house on the intercom a few minutes after 11 If so, that's what lured him up to the top of the stairway A few minutes after 11? Well, that's when you and I were searching the house We ended up at the intercom last, though Somebody could have had time to make that call Come on, wait a minute Mrs. Gregory was near that room when we got to it Yeah, I know Why don't you question her, Helman, while I see what I can get out of Baker? I didn't have anything to do with it I went for a walk on the beach I didn't even know Appleton was dead until Grant Helman told me a few minutes ago I'm telling you the truth Yeah, well, I'm afraid we'll have to let the police decide that Hello, Johnny Dollar at the Appleton place I'm still waiting for one of your units Oh, yeah, I was sorry, Mr. Dollar We've had a lot of calls in the call of the storm Well, you're not the man I talked to when I called before No, no, that was happening He left me a message about your call And we'll have somebody up there within 15 minutes Okay, thanks That's funny Mrs. Gregory tonight is making that call on the intercom, darling Oh, yeah, okay, Helman Well, what's the matter? Something that sergeant said over the phone Hey, wait a minute What time have you got? By 10 minutes at one Yeah, that's what my watch says too But according to the sergeant, it was after one I checked the big clock in the entry hall and the one in the living room They both agreed with my watch 10 minutes at one I slipped outside and unlocked my car door and looked at the clock on the dashboard It read 10 after one When I felt a gun in my back I realized I'd come up with the answer a little too late It's a pity, darling I thought I had a foolproof idea But I hadn't figured on your locking the car So it was you hit me over the head when the clock was striking 11 Who called Appleton at the beach house, lured him up the stairway and shoved him over Then came back and reset my watch and the clock So I'd hear it still chiming 11 when you brought me to I thought I'd only been out a few seconds Actually, it was 15 minutes Yes, but you're the only one who knows Now get in the car, we're leaving He started to get in then kicked at the car door behind me It swung and knocked Hillman off balance Before he could recover, I nailed it By the time he came to the sheriff's patrol, it arrived And Hillman, you know, he wasn't one bit happy to see them Expense account item two, $13 even Transportation back home, total expenses $21.40 And a real bargain if I do say so myself Remarks Hillman's motive was money, of course It was he who'd taken a $50,000 from Appleton's agency Yours truly, Johnny Dollar And directed by Jack Johnstone Today's story was written by Robert Wright Heard in our cast were Eleanor Oddly, Paula Winslow, Larry Dobkin, Will Wright, Ben Wright and Harry Bartell Be sure to join us next week, same time and station For another exciting story of yours truly, Johnny Dollar This is Dan Coverley speaking All right, facilities of the United States Armed Forces Radio and Television Service


11 Funny ESL Activities for Young Learners. When teaching young learners, it's important not to spend too much time on any one activity as they can soon lose interest. It is also a good idea to have activities that give younger learners the chance to move about, and use the boundless energy they have at that age. Below we present a list of short activities suitable for young and very young learners of English. What's the time Mr. Wolf? This is a good activity for practicing time with small classes. Under a space in the center of the classroom and have a student stand in front of the board with their back to the class, this person is the wolf and the rest of the class stand at the back of the room. For each turn, the class asks the wolf what's the time Mr. Wolf? And the wolf replies with a time it's 3 o'clock. The rest of the students then take three steps forward. The class keeps asking the question until the wolf says it's dinner time at which point he turns around and tries to catch someone. The person he catches then becomes the wolf for the next round. Telephone. Split the class into two teams. Have students stand or sit in a line, and whisper a sentence to the first student. Each student then whispers what they heard to the next student until they get to the end of the line. The last student then says the sentence aloud. The team who is closest to the original sentence wins. Basketball.  Before they can take their shot, they must answer a question from the teacher correctly. If they get the ball in the basket, they get two points. If they hit the basket but don't get the ball in, they get one point. Volleyball. Use two chairs and a piece of string to make a net across the middle of the classroom and use a balloon as the ball. Slide the class into two teams and have them play volleyball. When a winning shot is played, the teacher asks the whole class a question. The team that answers correctly wins the point and gets to serve next. Bingo. This classic game can be played with numbers, words or pictures on the students bingo cards. The teacher calls out a number or word and the students mark off the corresponding number or word on their card. The first person to complete their card shouts out bingo. And wins the round. The teacher asks students if they can do certain actions. If they can, the student answers yes I can and then performs the action. If they can't, they say no I can and the teacher asks them if they can do another action. Be sure to have some actions that are easy for shy students to do. For example can you smile? I spy. The teacher starts the activity by saying I spy with my little eye, something beginning with, and chooses the first letter of the object. Students have to guess what object the teacher is thinking of. The first person to guess correctly takes over the teacher's position. For younger learners, colors can be used instead. For example I spy with my little eye something that is red. Odd one out. The teacher writes four words on the board, three of which are related to each other in some way. For example banana, apple, car, strawberry. The students have to say which word is the odd one out. This activity can be done with objects or pictures in place of words. Stand up please. A version of Simon says where the phrase Simon says is replaced with please. The teacher or a student asks the class to do certain actions, but they must only do them if the teacher says please. Anyone who does the action without please, being said is out of the game. Mastermind. This is a good activity for older children. The teacher chooses a four or five letter word and draws the corresponding number of dashes on the board. The students have to choose a word of the correct length and one of them writes it on the board under the dashes. The teacher marks each letter with a tick, a circle or a cross. A tick means the letter is in the original word and is in the same place. A circle means the letter is in the original word but in the wrong place. A cross means the letter is not in the original word. Blindfold obstacle course. Create a course in the classroom using chairs and desks. Make sure that students won't hurt themselves if they bump into them. One student wears a blindfold and the rest of the class has to guide them through the course with directions, such as turn left, go straight on, climb up, stop, etc. Rearrange the course for each new blindfolded student. Are you ready to teach English abroad? These 11 activities are ideal for young learners in the ESL classroom, and are also handy to know when you have some spare time in your lessons.