Hello everybody and welcome to a a little unexpected holiday paint and chat hangout Just chillin. It's Christmas Eve a couple hours before Christmas officially begins and I thought hey, why not? Let's let's let's do a little hangout. Let's chat Let's do some painting have a good old time. I'm just starting on a new project and I thought what a fun thing to do to welcome in Christmas Day and And and Santa so, you know while we're waiting on him to to get here We'll go ahead and just you know have some fun and hang out and do some painting So how's everybody doing somebody give me a shout out in the chat to make sure you can hear me, okay? I managed to get paint all over my fingers right before the I started doing the hangout, of course like a the brilliant person I am But this is just us hanging out chatting if you've got questions You want to talk about anything? Whatever you want. We could we're just Doing a little paint and hang. It's just me and you can see my Palette cams all set up here. This is the guy I'm working on Make sure I get paint all over myself This is my Converted chaos lord for my slaves to darkness army I had an extra chorus call from an old box set. So we just converted him up different helm reshaped some abs and Gave him a sword instead of holding a dog. Don't worry riptooth is still okay riptooth is over here on the side He'll get used for something He's fine All right Oh, there you go. Yes. I see I see swash swashbuckling here your painting your wife's s2d army very good Where's my Christmas beer? I don't drink I have I have Christmas Pellegrino right here. That's what I have. I don't drink alcohol Let's see. Oh very sick. Well, that's a shame Randall. Sorry to hear that Hello everybody in Australia, New Zealand. It's all it's already Christmas where you are. So so there you go. It's also summertime Which I don't understand It doesn't make any sense to me for it to be summertime and Christmas that That doesn't work for me So but hey You're all used to it. I'm sure It's the same thing. I think of people who live in like California or something. I don't I don't know how they all do it so Let's actually adjust this camera a little bit move it back Is this way? There we go. I guess he's gonna come forward Well Merry Christmas to you too Bethany And I understand the I understand that completely Building an IKEA baby kitchen. Okay. I'm sure some people some parents are assembling gifts for their kids or whatever Yeah, I don't have any of those so I don't have any of that responsibility thankfully most graciously So, yeah, anyway with this castle or it'll talk about him for a minute Oh, actually, I'll show you the project I finished up earlier today or pseudo finished I want to touch him some more, but I'm not sure what to do with him yet. So I finished up this fun bust I've had for a long time He was a lot of he was just an interesting little project playing around with different types of NMM on him and skin tones and stuff like that. I'll share some pictures of him at some point here the next couple days But this guy was was real fun to do he's it's an old bust of like a Frankenstein goblin or something. I don't know I don't remember where I got this thing from I've just I've had it for a really long time.  So why not? So there you go. So that was what I did earlier And he's done now or at least partially so I might add some more texturing to the skin But I haven't decided what I want to do yet Lewis I definitely want to see you interviewed on your interview with an artist that would be very challenging I suppose I could somehow pre-record it where I asked all the questions and then recorded myself separately Answering them and then looped it together Wouldn't that be fun? Hey Chuck, how you doing? Sam says he's in the UK got in from work late and now painting some ogres and scaven. All right Yes, it's very late where you are my friends gotta be like a past three in the morning, but okay, I Don't more DACA. I have no idea what that means for your lunch, but okay if you like it. I'm excited for you Oh Excellent. Well, I am glad to hear that the non-metallic using the steel helped. That's great. Oh It's gone. He's I did not do All right, so anyways, I've got a little image up on screen of like a little fiery guy Down in the corner there like a dude wearing some Kind of lava heated armor and I've been trying to decide what I want to do with my slaves to darkness and one of the things that occurred to me it would be fun to to do a little bit of is have some armor that's like Heated to a degree and where the hotspots are is where we'll put the hottest sort of The hottest hot spots I don't know what to call it like where we'll put the lava type color where it's hot and Then we'll darken down into the shadows from there I don't know if it's gonna work or look good or anything But I felt like giving it a shot and you know, I've had this model for a long time and he had no other purpose So, you know, hey, let's give it a shot So there you go The colors I've got on my palette are just a bunch of fire related colors You know a nice yellow a bright orange a burnt orange a red a brown black and a black So we'll see how that all works What is from Guild Wars 2? I don't know what I don't know what you mean I did it. Oh, I play yeah, I played Guild Wars 2 some that was a That was a fun game. I played it some I got old quick, but I did enjoy it some Rust belt do single-action airbrushes require a specific type of compressor I've bought two in either below air when I push down, but if I hook up a dual action it works fine I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't but I would say that you don't want a single-action airbrush There's not much reason to have a single-action airbrush if you're using it for painting miniatures Oh the lava armor from Guild Wars 2. Okay, got it Excellent. I don't know what it's from. I just googled images for lava armor and that's what came up So there you go I just thought it was a neat thing to use as a reference for kind of the way that they moved through the color tones But make sense It's the achievement armor you get from doing a ton of achievements. Oh, that's cool neat I definitely didn't play the game that long or certainly not for that many years But at any rate with your airbrush, I would definitely recommend You know having a dual-action airbrush I don't I wouldn't even honestly I wouldn't even try it with a single action because I don't know what I would get would be my my pretty honest answer for you Oh, man. Oh Tram, I remember you Trammer. Don't worry. You don't have to you don't have to say who you are Tram, I know who you are, buddy I've been my friend for years, but I do appreciate you clarifying in case I don't remember a friend I've literally been online with hundreds and hundreds of hours over the years, but yes, that sounds right I did craft my legendary armor and then quit that sounds that sounds like me Like I got to the top of the thing Plus I've always classically liked Crafting in games. It's always been a thing when I played Star Wars galaxies if any of you ever played that When I played Star Wars galaxies, I was a And I was there like right at close to the beginning Obviously right at the beginning there was a lot of downtime because the servers were down all the time because that's how it was But you know because it was an MMO in 2004 and when things like that launched then They didn't really have a lot of uptime right away, but I played that one and I was a droid crafter You know the worst class in the game making the worst thing that nobody wanted because they nerfed robots like two weeks after release But I loved it. I had a series of stores on all the the on all the different worlds And was always stocked with droids and a character named big Ron Big Ron's big bots was the name of my store and it was super fun. I just went around all day I didn't carry a gun. I just collected my my resources from my nuclear energy harvester and then all my mining Things on all these different worlds and then I would go and load up the factory with the plans for the day And then just go scout out new places to set down new mining resources. That was pretty much what I did It was a solitary existence, which is exactly I think what they're going for in an MMO, right? You're not supposed to actually play those other people. I believe that's correct Did you do all right, and yes Star Wars Galaxies crafting was amazing And I don't remember that because I didn't play long enough like you have to understand it when I was playing galaxies There were no Jedi. I played up until they Well, I mean I the rumor was obviously in the beginning that you there was a way to become a Jedi And certainly it was in the game, but no one knew it for a long time proto internet and all still being what it was and So no like lightsabers or the existence of it wasn't really a thing when I played And I didn't play on it. I played on a server. We had to flag for PVP to PVP. So, you know, whatever The I believe the medic spam was a popular thing at some point in time while I was playing where people would come in and drop poison bombs everywhere That's what I seem to remember Ah Do I remember Shadowbane? I remember all MMOs my friend not I mean probably not actually all of them but most of them I played I was huge huge huge MMO player for so so very long and Because I've just I've always loved them. I mean going back to to you. Oh, which I played a ton and You know everything after that pretty much there wasn't really it wasn't really much around there I didn't that's where I met Trammer there who talked earlier and we Had many a fun time across many a game The ones that got the most play time for me in case you're curious were Probably Dark Age of Camelot I played that a whole lot. I really loved that I played wow, but never but it wouldn't be in the top. It was probably like war and Lord of the Rings online were my two biggest ones that that Genuinely took up the most of my time so there you go and The new and and new SWOTOR I did play that a lot too. God. We had a lot of fun in new in New Star Wars online. That was a great game A lot of fun times there Tom and I should just do a show sometime talking about our various MMO memories Tom has always been my cohort and companion along with many of our other friends in these games and We had a great time there Yeah, I played Guild Wars played shadow being played everything played EverQuest Played EverQuest who thought both the EverQuest were terrible and never liked them If you liked them, that's cool I certainly appreciate that and have no issue with it at all like what you like and they just weren't for me but I have friends who Certainly loved it to death and had you know a full year of play town or play time Sorry, like logged into their character in you know the 2000s. So there you go I know auto assault I never played it Let's see just catching up on the comments more doc I've been mucking around with a cheap eBay airbrush that was part of a compressor package. What would you recommend as a good starter? Well, if you're talking about outside of like a master series G 22 or G 23 Which is what you should actually start on and learn on And I want to if you want to take the step into like a significant airbrush Like an Iwata eclipse neo or HPCS would be your next jump Yep, that's yeah, exactly which the first right next to you was like the Iwata neo gravity fed. Yep Which I agree neo is a great starter airbrush to move into You can't go back my friend I saw cast Lord Craig said I just jumped I think we should all start playing return to reckoning.  You can never look back Kind of things aren't what they are they aren't they aren't They aren't the thing you remember solely because of the thing they were there that they are because of the thing They were in the time they were And oftentimes trying to recapture those things without the proper time Means that you only find disappointment at the end of that road Oh Yes, I'm sure it is here.   So I'm covering a little less of it There you go. I should be smaller on the screen now Okay Oh, that's awesome swash. He met his he says he met his wife in uh In uh in day off. That's super cool. Uh, and yes, hotball was great And yes, Dark Age of Camelot. Certainly I can see it being called that because my god That was a game that burnt away hours and hours of your life Yeah, I shrunk it up a little I could move it around more Hopefully that helps everybody. Sorry. I thought I had it set up with enough room to paint But I forget I hold my mini in my in my lap, basically All right, there we go. I caught back up with the comments.   This is just for fun. Anyway, so Who cares? So, uh, yeah, so that's what I did. We just pulled them all together and Said, uh, we'll deal with it. We'll deal with it. It's fine I hope everybody's having a good Christmas. Is everybody looking forward to Is everybody getting warhammer gifts? You know, this is the thing that tom said where he doesn't get warhammer from his, uh His family. This does not make sense to me. If you like a thing, you should be asking for it If you're getting gifts at all I don't understand why you would, you know, ask like what what is he asking for shirts and underwear It's getting a tie or something. It's a mystery to me The whole point of Christmas is to From a gift perspective the whole point the reason for the season is obviously a whole myriad of different things And generosity of spirit and all that But, uh, you know If you're going to get gifts, then why not get stuff that you really like? That's my opinion Uh Did I ever play any of the civilization or command and conquer games? Yes, I did.  I like rts is okay um The command and conquer I don't know what it was maybe red alert Whichever one it was that had like the best soundtrack That was that that had the mechanical man song on it. I don't know which one it was but man, did I love that game? Played a lot of that one They all kind of blur together because they're rather unremarkably indistinct Uh So But uh, but yeah played those like those two Any comments about dunking leaving gw. I don't have any. I don't know what I would say except that it's a shame Um, you know, he's a good dude And a great guy and I'm sure he'll do fine and land on his feet Uh, I mean I from what it seems he was leaving of his own accord. So that's cool Um, you know, sometimes even when you've got a good job, you want to go on and challenge yourself and do other things I he is a great person a wonderful human being he taught People to paint. He was the face of gw There was years ago when I said in a video what they need to do is have a face They need to have somebody that humanizes the company. It's a lot harder to be angry at somebody when There's a human face attached to it and You know, I had said forever that that's what they needed to focus on and then low and behold they Put dunking in front of a camera and he lit up and it was uh, it was magical and You know, I think they'll be he's he's a hard man to replace peachy is great. No doubt, but You know, I'm sure they'll I'm sure they'll find someone and I'm sure dunking will be very successful no matter what he does He is truly a great human being and a super nice guy. So I'm sure he'll be fine I'm sure everything will be fine On the bright side, maybe I could interview him now easier so we'll see but uh But I'm sure everybody will be okay And in a couple years will be like, you know, the the tutorials will still be there. He made such a lexicon of like, uh He made such a catalog of Of content that that's one of those things that's just there and good for years Which is amazing, right? Like, I mean those tutorials and all those things he makes those are all going to be there forever Um, which is awesome. He has a legacy all that content And nobody and that's not going away anytime soon So that's cool Get very good. Italio says he's indoctrinated kids. They're getting many's in paint Excellent work begin the indoctrination let's see Getting another box a new std. So pretty excited to try and kit bash them excellent Uh I bought my own minis. We don't do gifts. Well, if you don't do gifts, that's fine No big deal Another vermin lord excellent excellent now. That's a that's a great gift right there Now you've got the right idea Who doesn't want another vermin lord? You can never have too many of them I mean, I suppose if you've got five, that's a good start. That's probably where you should begin With five vermin lords. I think everybody should start there Just get your five vermin lords and uh, then you're then you've got the beginnings You want to make sure you can represent the entire council the demonic council So I guess 13 is where you would actually stop. All right, let's see Caster lord says he's headed to bed because he knows the kids are going to get him up early. Yes, I'm sure I'm sure I uh, yet another thing that I am thankful for not having kids for But hey, I'm super grateful to all of you who are out there doing it and keeping the human race going You're all true heroes in my book Because if it was up to me and people like me, we would all die this generation. There just wouldn't be any more people Oh, thank you. David. Yes. I'm I'm excited that everybody's I'm excited that everybody's excited for the adepticon classes That's super great. And uh, I can't wait this year. It's going to be a good time again Uh, so, you know, if you're on the wait list, do still show up Because chances are oftentimes, you know, we always have a few drops or something so we can often get people seated so don't uh Don't hesitate to to show up or whatnot You never know And I'd rather have a I'd rather have room and if we've got a table or a seat. Sorry if we've got a chair I'd rather get somebody sat than than have somebody Than have an empty chair sitting there an empty chair doesn't learn anything Surprisingly, it's one of the things I've learned in life Empty chairs not great learners They just don't seem to internalize anything. I can't figure it out. I don't know why For some reason What I'm doing now, by the way, I'll explain what I'm kind of on about here Is since I want this guy to have fiery armor I actually started just by turning him yellow So that everything would be kind of yellow And I'm kind of reverse highlighting him down To where I'm going to make the Lowest parts dark So I'll actually be so now I'm just like working into the orange And the idea here is to just slowly darken all of these Spots and I'm sure I'll have to Play with the colors a few times as I continue to try to figure out What I actually want to stay yellow and what I don't which is going to be very little in the end But that's the kind of idea I started real with my sort of highest highlight now everything the rest of this is going to be A lot of shading down as I go down all these paints that are on my palette The idea is just to have the flame kind of where the the light part of the hottest part of the flame be wherever the highlights would be That way they should hopefully read correctly But you know, I don't know because we're just doing an experiment here I've never really painted something like this before But I thought hey, what a fun What a fun thing to try Right Sometimes you just got to experiment and if you fail You'll learn something who cares This is normally the kind of thing I do off-camera A lot of people I think assume that like when you see a nicely painted miniature by somebody who knows what they're doing that That they just you know approached it and went this is what I will do And then they sat down and painted it and it just was like yep just like you know Uh No problems here just started with a went to b went to c went to d called it a day And boom beautifully painted miniature Maybe that's the experience of some painters. It certainly is not my experience my experience is a lot of trial and error and See in what works and what doesn't and all that kind of stuff. It's just a lot of uh It's a lot of repeated failure until eventually you get somewhere you like So never be afraid to fail even when you fail you're learning stuff and that's that's pretty useful All right, let's see uh This is going to be a tough stream for all of you just staring at me at like my bald spot. By the way, I apologize as I'm looking down Uh, let's see. All right That's true wine games, uh because of the expense He said, you know, there's some things you can receiving is good No, but there's some things you just can't ask for due to expense and or some dirfs can get the wrong item You can add anything from any site to your amazon wishlist You can even link out to gw site And so if you send someone a wish list they have the exact link of what you want, but expense doesn't solve that so certainly Uh Raging heroes and rtl w minis. I only know gw so I'm excited to find out how these are Uh, I've had mixed experiences with both, but you know, it depends on the depends on the line depends on the The range is what I'll say Uh, let's see Speaking of indoctrination. Do you have any tips for getting people into the hobby? Uh No, I don't I really don't I'm not sure uh, like I think it's something that you know show your painted miniatures if they ask Explain what you're doing never hide your your hobby under a bushel always be proud of it Be proud of your art be proud of what you do and what you create. This is a great community and There's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of here at all. We should all be proud of what we're doing here. Um It's you know Nerdy-ness is cool now and there's no reason we should be any less cool And if you're positive about your hobby and you share what it is and you share how cool it is In my experience that will generally win people over So I don't know. I guess that's what I would say Do you play wow classic? No, I I played that when it came out. It was just called wow. I have no idea I had no interest in playing it Nostalgia has about zero interest to me in case that Like whole ranch I went on about the past wasn't clear earlier. Um Like I just nostalgia means nothing to me and playing an mmo with an outdated ui from Uh 14 years ago 15 years ago doesn't seem like the best idea to me So there you go But if people love it, hey, that's cool. I get it If that was like a big formative mmo for you and it's a good chance to go back and experience it again Knock yourself out. Many of my friends play it and they seem to have a good time Uh, let's see waiting to see if they fix the key for of secrets from the key for secrets from the C8 19 before I buy another one. I don't know what that means. Colonel dracas. Oh for uh If you're 40k, you mean is that what you're asking? Uh, all right, my local community chipped in and bought me a bale wind is thank you for any events Is here that's some that's great, man. That's super cool And people who run events are heroes. You do you do deserve at least a bale wind vortex. Uh, let's see Adept con needs a better system for queuing people. Yeah, that's probably true Uh, nice nice looks like swashbuck and yours having a good christmas. Lots of good stuff under the tree there Uh 3d sculpted printed minis. Is there any sort of non major company sponsored painting competition now that crystal brush is no more Oh, yeah, sure tons Absolutely Now adept con is mainly going to be uh Brand sponsored stuff. So like creature caster has resin beast and gw has golden demon and p3 Uh, a private ear press has their iron painter or whatever. No, that's not right. That's not what it's called shoot. What is it called?  I iron painter is the weird thing Anyways, they have their event there and then I think marvel crisis protocol is going to do one too But those are all there They I don't know if they'll still do any crystal brush thing at seaman expo. I've been to seaman expo many times And it's a much smaller ordeal. So I don't know what that'll look like But if you're looking for like the sort of premier miniature painting Contest now. I think in the states. It's probably the capital palette at the nova open Uh, which happens in basically over labor day weekend in the fall in northern virginia right outside of washington dc It's right across from reagan airport. So a wonderful convention couldn't recommend it enough capital palette is a european style So it's very similar to what you see it like monti or places like that Um, where they it's open system. There's three different levels apprentice journeyman master and You know, there's any number of golds and silvers and it's it's a very very open thing Um, if you're that's if you're in the us Which I assume is what you're asking about being that you were asking about adept con Uh, so yeah, and then there's still others like, uh, you know, reaper con allows entries of any miniature not just reaper stuff Um, so you can you can enter with anything. Um, in fact, they have other brands there. Um Same thing gen con and the miniature hobby event there That's growing every year. It's now run by linstall of metalhead minis and there's no System single system there and it's great. Uh, similar thing um open system And great very transparent judging you get a scorecard with feedback You see exactly who how you were scored by all three judges with exact feedback as to why the judges will spend a long time talking to you It's a great event Can't recommend it enough. So yeah, there's still there's still a lot around um, and in in my humble opinion, honestly, there's still a lot around that are Would probably be more inclusive than what crystal brush was Anyways, when it was there, that's that's not a jab at crystal brush. It's just, you know, it was what it was and Those will probably be a little more open feeling So there you go Any thoughts on how to do a sort of hammered iron steel effect Like how a middle ages frying pan might look Uh, I mean, it's it's black and brown just stippling lots of stippling You probably want some texture in it, but very very minimal Um, it'd be tough to sell because it just looked kind of boring and be like Be like dull black iron, which isn't really very visually interesting Um, very very minimal highlights into like a brown gray Uh, and yes, I wick my brush all the time every time my brush Goes out there. It gets wicked Let's see Do you have anything playing in your headset while you do these or is it just or just wearing it for the mic? Nope, just wearing it for the mic. I'm not uh, I'm not listening to anything It's just it's just my normally obviously it's where I hear people talking when I'm interviewing at the moment. It's just there Uh, did you do? Oh, well, thank you big jimpo. I appreciate that Uh, were you raised by educators? Um, yeah, my mom was a teacher. Um, I don't know that that ever Translated really, but I'm sure it did somehow. Um, so yeah, there you go. I never thought about it before but yes, my mother was a teacher um anthony, uh besides deep can any recommendations for water people miniatures I'm doing a king's a wormy and hate their night. Nyea yads Nyea yads Nyea yads I don't know. Uh, boy water people miniatures Uh old wrath of kings or whatever it was had a had a, you know, fish people army So There you go That's that's the best I can think of I can't think of many like there's not a lot of underwater fish people type games other But yeah, wrath of kings had one they had like a squidy type race like cephalopods Uh, yes, birney. I agree. It does the Pellegrino does class it up Uh, let's see Night chuck night, uh Night mr. Stone monk. You're probably both already gone, but that's fine. I just saw it Oh, yeah, yeah in chapter approved Sniping claws attacking the neighbors. Wow That's uh, that's a pretty big change. I did not realize that I I that's pretty terrible Uh I want to get some sable brushes, but I have ethical concerns about the sourcing Info is all over the place are the animals hurt or killed I don't know man My answer is I don't think it's great for them But I don't know if they're outright killed it might I I'm sure you we could look at I I I'd have to research it Um, you know, if it's really a concern You can you can make your way with synthetics people like james waple and and dr. Faust use Basically synthetics for sort of everything You know if you always if you if you had to bite the bullet Just you know, the brushes are out there you can get one or two for very tiny detail and just you know use it Sparingly and it'll last it'll last a decade and uh, I guess a little bit of evil is the better answer, I suppose Yes, gen con is crowded. That's true, but you know, it's a lot of fun Uh, let's see Ah bar check. Yes. Hello, Merry Christmas. It is Christmas for you already in Auckland, New Zealand. Well, hey, Merry Christmas on the other side of the world Uh, jv, how do you come up with your convert or with your basing and conversions? um All right, so you know how like, um driver watch casino royale The james bond will be the first one with daniel craig That opening scene where he's chasing the guy Through the work site And that dude is doing all this like parkour and he's so elegant and live And he's like jumping over things and and being very artful and gymnastic and how he Navigates this landscape Um That uh, that's how I think that's how in my mind a lot of artists Work with stuff like conversions and basing and painting in general I'm more of the daniel craig behind him where he just is like a bull who like runs through the wall He just runs harder and hits harder and plows through the things that are in his way That's basically how I come up with my basing and conversions Uh, I just keep shoving stuff together and hammering on it until I like it Uh, I'm not jumping for the air vent. I'm just running through the dry wall um Yeah, that's what I would say So I uh, I don't know that I have the best answer for you other than to say I I get pieces that I think look cool and then I Kind of just start shoving them together basically is what I would say Uh until I find something I like There's I don't have a great artfulness to it. It's very much just a Uh a charging bull situation Let's see Vince it seems the last couple of brushes including winds are newton always have a hair longer than it does at the point Do you sniff those off? Yes, I do very carefully Uh, you basically I don't know why that happens sometimes with brushes now, but it does I've had the same experience Nothing weird about it. Um Just sometimes you get a brush hair That's a little bit longer in the center and the problem is you'll get a little bit of paint drying on it and that's Generally bad. You don't want that So what I do is I just lay it out against my Mat like this and find it and then take a brand new sharp Exacto blade and I just literally like cut right along there just like that at that kind of an angle And then it's gone and there's never a problem again. You have to be very very careful for that surgery Uh, Joe or Thawber. Hey, what's up? Merry Christmas to you, sir Uh Let's see Yeah Honest to answer the best helps me feel better about my brute force style Yeah, I wish I had some other thing to tell you like I wish I had some genius method that I could claim that I I had some kind of brilliant insights, but it's usually just me dumping stuff out and And trying to make it work Because that's sort of how I roll. So there you go I am I am a I am a brute force miniature painter put that on a t-shirt Uh, I am not a I am not a uh A delicate artist I generally just keep Pounding at the colors until they're in the right place. So there you go So we're now we're just darkening mr. Fire guy here with we're into the burnt orange This isn't going to be a one and done by the way We're going to climb all the way back down or all the way down and then have to rebalance everything back up. I'm sure Because I have no idea what I'm actually doing right now as far as the color goes. I'm just taking a swing at this So we're just starting with trying to get Some colors in place here Mainly these are some pro krill some scale 75 a little bit of war colors on my palette print my pretty normal stuff But I like all these tones so fire is an interesting thing to paint in general because it's It's all about balance the human eye is very good. It's sort of picking out Uh when something looks wrong, especially something like fire Where it just it will notice when colors look off Uh, I see a lot of I see a lot of sort of miniature Painters with fire use like really heavy Bright nuclear oranges and you really don't want much of that in the same way you don't really want much Bright yellow like I used a bright yellow to base this here more just to set the tone Then for anything else Uh same with all this so it's always just kind of building and building Might need to get a little warmer yellow. This is a very cold yellow It's a good start Doesn't have to be perfect at this stage Don't even have to be good at this stage frankly Things should look ugly long before they look good If you're in the middle and something is looking pretty terrible, don't be disheartened It often does and that never goes away And that's a good thing If it looks ugly, it's okay No miniature with any amount of paint on it is uglier than gray plastic He's getting warmer Getting a little warmer Um Hey nick Where did you get the guide hair thing from? Where did you hear that? Uh I'm just asking you so the mention of the guide hair. Where did you hear that? Uh All right, there we go Padre Merry Christmas to you sir. Padre speaks Well, I'm gonna keep teaching in 2020 so hopefully there's more to learn Uh, how do I feel about the new unreleased sisters models? I think the whole range looks amazing Uh, it's a little small. I wish they were like a scotch bigger Um, like I wish they had scale creeped them a little more to be completely honest Um, because they're they're small-ish. I actually have one sitting over to the side here This is the way I'm going to convert them all so I'm using the clan Escher Heads because all my girls are going to be punk rock, but I literally can't settle on a color scheme So she's just been sitting there primed waiting for me to Waiting for lightning to strike and it just Hasn't struck yet Uh 40 berserk 40 plus berserkers almost done just finishing bases. That's awesome Uh Sick of sky jeep Okay, uh, thank you about getting some contrast to do away with my backlog Of d&d minis and reaper stuff any recommendations on colors that will give the most mileage Well, it depends a lot on what colors you want to use, but sure I've got I've got my favorites in the list Um, the black templar one is good um The Once it wildwood or whatever whatever the brown one is I like that and I like agraros dunes One being very dark and kind of greeny one being much lighter and more Uh, yellowy, uh fire slayer flesh yand and yellow The uh, what is the orange one called? Whatever the orange one is called The name eludes me at the moment Uh, the red one like the blood angel's red and achilly ain't green. Oh, which is actually a very nice blue There you go. Those are all kind of my favorites, but you know, it can really be about what you're trying to do Uh, but yeah, I think that's a great idea. You can you can get some great results fast Uh speaking of putting stuff on shirts any movement on merch Uh, yes, maybe I was just talking to somebody today about that. So maybe I there's still a lot more conversations to happen But stay tuned in 2020 is what I'll say I might have found a way to finally solve this Um, he's not actually going to be corn Uh, well, yeah, it was it was the oh somebody's asking, uh, what the Sorry, john was john ashley smith is Was it the corn lord? Yes, it was the um It was corgis called before I converted him and cut off his head and got rid of the doggo But now he's just going to be undivided Uh More daring gonna airbrush this Hulk model of bright green. Do I under shade purple with the airbrush at 45 from underneath for shadows? Uh, sure. Yeah, you could uh, you could also do a dark red if you wanted to feel warmer underneath But depending on what you're going to go to in the high tones So in if in the high tones, you're going to use kind of a cold ish yellow Which oftentimes is what the Hulk has up top. He's kind of this escorpina cold green Up top or like a livery green is like his highest highlights Something like that Then you could go with like a whole red underneath and really warm up that green on the bottom either would work Uh, what's tomorrow's warhammer weekly going to be about so it's our slaves to darkness review tomorrow It'll be a little later. I think we'll start at about 10 p.m. Just because of christmas Uh, but that's what we'll do Uh, let's see winter excel I imagine that sigmar is your main minis game, but do you have a second or third game? You sometimes play Um, no not really. I mean I have some malifo stuff. I have played malifo in the past. I've passed. I've played 40k I've played kill team War cry probably would be the second game like I do have a couple war cry war bands and we'll play war crime Which is war cry, which is really just skirmish aos Um, I had an infinity force. I had hacky hack Islam back in uh, infinity like 1.0 way way back in the day um But no aos is my true love Uh Okay, let's see Yes, yes, I do that is exactly correct swashbuck in here Uh, let's see Oh, yeah snake bite leather is great color. Thank you very much this batch the spaz tech spaz tech there you go Uh, hey events you've inspired me to imperial fists watch that video you have a You have of yellow any thoughts on your sisters? Uh, well, I don't want them to be yellow Although that would be a cool take Um, I don't in saying that maybe I do kind of want them to be yellow I don't know. I kind of want them to be punk rock, but I can't find a color scheme. I like but um But yeah, I mean I love painting imperial fists because I love painting yellow. I think it's just a super fun color to paint uh When is the next pmp video it'll be in the beginning of the year like around new years Um, I'll try to like I always try to record it in the first couple days of the the month So it'll be in the first couple days of january because the submissions run monthly You join the facebook page You can find the facebook page For the pmp for the painters motivating painters group on facebook on any of the pmp end of month reviews It's linked in there when you ask to join you have to answer all the questions If you don't answer all three questions, you will not get in I don't care how uh Abulant you are in your first two answers if you don't agree to the terms or whatever if you don't answer all three We will not let you in it is a hard and fast rule. So there you go Uh, but we'd love to have you you're more than welcome and you anybody who is on any point in their miniature journey is more than welcome uh Bartek, uh, I'm a big fan of frank frazetta and I'd like to try to emulate his style any advice if you're familiar with his paintings Oh, I'm I'm very familiar with frank frazetta. Yes. Um Yeah, sure, uh, how to emulate his style. Um, so My real answer is begin by looking at the art and don't just look at it see it That sounds like a weird thing to say As i'm sure you would tell me that you have Um, but like the answers are all there in the art Uh, because if you look at his art what you'll see Is that he uses lots of unusual skin tones and uh, he will tend to have um Really really interesting use of especially greens and blues and stuff like that in his skin Lots of in miniature painting. It would be lots of glazes of different colors things like that um So my advice is get more experimental with your skin tones As far as the use of colors like purple blue darker shades Play with how much of the light you need to actually be utilizing Like dark and more of the model than you think you could get away with He often played with very heavy shadows um Matt Di Pietro has done some great frazetta Type homage work so you can also look at his stuff and see kind of how he's attacking it Because I think he did his conan recently in a frazetta style And it was fantastic. So Um, but yeah, that would be my main advice like don't shy away From uh getting those other colors in the skin tone like go nuts Um, it probably won't show here, but i'll i'll use the bust. I just finished actually as an example Um So this bust, I don't know how well you can see it But you can see how there's all these like purples and pinks and blues In the skin tone and the skin tone itself is very green and like Off green and yellow Like he just has every color of the rainbow in his skin But all highly desaturated and glazed in like all over the place To to try to capture that that feeling Again, I doubt he comes through very well on this But you'll see it better on like when I give uh normal shots, but that's the kind of thing I was going for here Uh Yes, Lewis. Well, I think that that you losing games to your slaves of darkness will probably go on be uh be going away soon Uh Blake see hoping to get into work right in 2020. Yeah, it's worth it. It's great. It's super fun Sisters in the Escher colors is that punky enough? Well, yeah, the Escher gang itself has a lot of yellow and it has painted the box art That's not how I painted mine. So the the Escher gang that I did and took to competition was Uh pure synth wave. So pink electric blue dark purple, right? um And and I like that I just haven't figured out how to balance it on there on their miniature and not make it look Like it needs to feel like the Wonder Woman 84 trailer is playing in your head at all points in time Uh, Sean Thompson, do you have a hobby cheating on plasma guns? Yes, I do. I couldn't tell you what number it is But I absolutely do Uh, let me see. I'll look it up right now Do do do do That's interesting Oh plasma There you go hobby cheating 163 That's plasma. So there you go Uh, what's the pmp painters motivating painters? It's our facebook group that's dedicated to miniature painting Uh, no any us web stores that sell gw or lord of the rings miniatures at the 15 discount Uh, look up mini stomp on twitter At landmine Uh, but if you search for either you'll find him mini stomp also has an online Face frontage on the web. You can just look up mini stomp. Do I go through for all my stuff? best dude Really nice guy personalized service Always comes through for me cannot recommend mini stomp enough. Most of us here in the us. It's what we use He gives a standard web discount as far as I know so you can you should be able to find that there Uh, all right Currently painting is each archonites magister the plastic one from 2011 for some reason i'm finding it's surprisingly difficult Which I had repositioned the arms. Yeah, it can be a real problem Like sometimes mini is just getting their own way and you know, what do you do? Uh, tim rois, uh, oh, there you go. Yeah, there you go. He's he's already got you covered Um There you go. Okay, cool Exactly. There you go. Yes. Hashtag stake awards. He's well known for the stake awards Uh, the the reference there being that he'll often like shout out people's models people who who buy from him or otherwise By the way, and he'll just he'll give him a shout out and he gives it the stake award because it's To dump the dump ching well done, right? Uh, so he's a funny guy that one. Yeah, I can tell I'm gonna need to Way reduce the volume of that uh of that bright color That's all right. All right We're getting somewhere slowly Let's see Hey, welcome roger glad to have you Uh, do you have your list of episodes in a doc? No, I have my list of episodes online in the playlist That's called hobby cheating I just went and looked at the same at that playlist. You can find all my videos in playlists Uh, everything's organized. I want to subset those playlists out. I keep threatening to do it And then never having time because I'm either working on making videos Or painting miniatures like like this guy is itself an experiment for a future video Like if it all works out, then I'll I'll paint more models like this and I'll kind of explain how I did it But I generally have to do like especially when I'm doing something quite new I mean, I'm not just going to make a video straight away, right? I have to make a tester first and make sure that my ideas all work and then Figure out what the essential paints are to use and all that kind of stuff before I can go Okay, great. Now. Let me teach you how to do it. So Um, but yeah, just look up if you go to my channel and you go to the playlist tab Um, you can find that uh there So there you go I will have to reference my own playlists All the time because I I can't remember all I mean some of them like some really big ones I know off the top of my head like just because they they come up all the time Like number 80 is the miniatures brand paint guide, which is still one of the most popular videos I ever made. Um Just like the guide to inks watches and shades and stuff like that. So yeah But certain things I just I I've know because I've answered the question so many times or because they're a particular favorite or something like that That needs to come all the way up to the top and we need to Oppose those highlights And I know that and yet I didn't do it. He still looks very bright on camera Not quite as bright in real life Let's see Uh, did you do? Haven't included any blue yet any advice for what blue to use and where you would glaze it in on the flesh Um, I like a dark blue Cantor black blue from scale 75 or deep blue and I would glaze it into shadows Spaces between, you know dark dark places basically Uh Christianity I kind of talked about Duncan a little earlier at the beginning of the stream I think it's fine. You know if he I wish him all the best He probably had things he wants to go do he's been there a long long time Uh, and eventually we all want to go do some new things in our life and try different things I wish him nothing but the best and I'm sure it'll be fine Like peachy's good and I'm sure they'll have people who will step up in his place I'm sure Duncan will actually still be teaching somewhere probably Um, he's got he's got the soul of an artist and he's just a great teacher So I have no idea that he'll he'll still be around and and everything he already did all 300 plus tutorials 400 plus I mean he's done now You know those are all forever. So there you go Sean Thompson been painting on about a hundred guardsman using sketch towel based on your painting army in a week Now I want to move on to characters, but I'm stumped on how to bring them up a level You just you you expand the highlights and shadows. That's the answer You so where the where you've already created the basic highlights and shadows you go in and you Deepen the shadows and you upload you increase the highlights and you up the contrast There you go That's that's the best advice I can give that's that's your next step with characters Uh Anyone have a suggestion on painting maggots on pox walkers. Oh boy, definitely not me Wrong thing. I've been I've been following Darren's like little master class. He's or his master class. He's doing on Uh, I say little that's the wrong word. It's like an hour and a half that second video He's making me length videos now and um That doesn't work for being successful on youtube, you know that Darren Um, but no, it's fantastically. It was great Watching him work on that model and seeing how he does skin and stuff like that was really great If you haven't watched his uh, his blight lords tutorial, I do recommend it Uh, but You know that's like I could only look at the screen every so often because that model is so unbelievably gross to me I just cannot paint nervel Uh, I cannot paint nervel outside of death guard who I love But death guard are encased All that grossness is is hidden. They they package that up, which I like Uh, let's see. Would you consider doing a video on after glazing if that's right term? But basically how do you use glazing to enhance an otherwise finished mini? Um, sure Yeah I'll add to the list right now Okay, and I would actually call that um Like I would actually call that Filtering is generally what you wanted to do it as sorry my hands went over the camera there because I had to type it out But uh where you're filtering colors, but yeah, sure There is a doc of them online on reddit. Really? There is that's kind of cool. I didn't know that I never go on reddit. I know I like I've been on reddit three times my entire life Uh, I'm an old man. So I didn't realize that that's whoever's keeping that list. Wow. That's awesome. Thank you. Whoever has the reddit list You're my hero Oh, let's see I'm building gor gruntas there quickly becoming some of my absolute favorite models so many great textures Couldn't agree more. I have a dozen gor gruntas. I've still thought about adding more I love them to death. I think they are just wonderful wonderful minis I truly do love the gor gruntas And piggies Have you had to buy another house yet just for your miniatures? No, I did buy three more cases. They're over in the other room. They're outside of my office. I have a extra space in here in my basement and So like this room is my office where these miniatures are my current armies And then I have my most of the award stuff and my old armies out in glass cabinets out there And then my d&d room and warhammer tables are over in the other room. So there you go We'll get you up here and again sometime chad and we'll we'll you'll see Uh john you did a video on dry brushing last year that helped me paint my marauder horseman Thanks a ton saved hours of tedious work head. Yeah, that sounds that's awesome I got a couple marauder horsemen sitting around. I was honestly thinking about doing them But I was like, I'll do this little chaos lord guy next. Yeah, I need to get some more of those done too Uh speaking of which what do you do when space gets filled eBay stuff? No, never No, I bet get more cabinets to store more things No, absolutely not. I've never I've I've I've never Sold army unless the intention was to sell off an old army that I that I wanted to completely repaint from the ground up And I was just using that money to literally buy the new miniatures again Like that is to say I sold I had a huge metal scaven army and I hated the metal scaven And I wanted to update it with plastics at some point in the 2010s And so I sold off all the metals and then used the money to just go out and get plastics Uh, it's one of the few times I've ever sold an army Let's see Can you recommend some great display cases with lights? Um, well, I can mean I can recommend what I went and got which was commercial Uh, like glass display cabinets you would buy in for like a use in a department store And you can install led fixtures in those Um, you can install led lighting and most of the cabinets you can you can I install it in most the Ikea cabinets So I like these these these are just the Ikea cabinets behind me And they're not lit at the moment, but you could you can light them with led lights Um, the the big the big like commercial ones you can get with the lights Uh, and they're they're set up to have the led lights in them, but they're They're pretty expensive, so I would warn you about that Because I mean they're meant to be used for like retail stores, so uh Nagu I was wondering if there was any resource that goes into the thought process behind where on a model to start painting on Generally inside out It's the easiest answer Start with the thing that is the deepest in And come out where the thing there is the most of If the deepest thing is also the thing there is the most of That's where you start so like a lot of skin picture skin is often your deepest thing because people wear clothes over their skin Armor over their clothes so where you can see skin you start then you go to the clothes then you go to the armor That's kind of the easiest way to say it Uh Has any new release guide put the points for kao and war cry? Not yet, but I'm sure we'll see them in the new year when they get their new book Uh in your opinion, what's the best shading for white? I see various grays and light blues to use, but I'm never quite certain which to use Any depends on what you want to do. First of all, don't use pure white The white should always be your highlight only You should be using a near white, but but at any rate It depends whether you want cold or warm white if you want warm white then you go into the creams and Light browns and stuff like that if you want a cold white, you can go into grays and blues If you go anywhere you can go into into greens and you can go into purples There's purple will give it a sort of lustrous sheen It'll make it look more like satin Blue will make it look more like a the shadow of something In a cold environment. So yeah, there you go Um, it just depends on the temperature you're trying to set Uh, odd question of all the videos you've done teaching techniques Are there any you'd like to go back and remake because you found a better or more efficient technique for the subject? Yeah, sure, but most of them I already have done Um, so like if you there's an early lava base video that I think is not good And then I went back and did an updated one that's still the one I used to this day Right same with snow basing actually um Like I I think most of those I've covered I I don't think I really Maybe bright red doing bright reds I'd like to go back and record a new video on that at some point Not because I was wrong in the original just because I've kind of refined the way I would teach it um as I've as I've messed with the technique more so Probably that but but not many most of my I'm still pretty happy with I mean that is to say what the information Communicated the video in the audio is usually trash because it's always trash and it still is trash But what are you gonna do? I'm bad at that sort of thing. I'm trying um Robert mcmillan, oh I was dust what model is that it was corgis call and I converted it to be a chaos lord just a regular chaos lord on foot Uh, hey vents. I've been getting excited about heish because of all your discussions I wouldn't bank on the the angel elf giants that we've been talking about remember that is just a joke But uh, but I am excited about whatever comes out of heish as well. I mean like anything that comes out of it should be amazing Started painting stormcast using a pearlescent white paint, but I'm wondering what to shade it with thoughts Uh purple or blue with maybe a teeny tiny baby amount of metallic medium in it um something like this like metal medium from uh From uh vilejo, uh, that would be what I would shade it with tiny amount Not like 90 10 There's your ratio paint to metal medium Uh, let's see Well, hello mike checking in from the uk. Yeah, it's 4 17 a.m. All right The happy christmas to you as well. I like happy christmas I tend to keep saying that because I talk to a lot of people in the uk a lot And so a lot of people said happy christmas to me and I've just started saying it instead of merry christmas Which is what we say in the us more often Now I've just adapted it because it just it just sort of got into my my speak Uh this pigden dialect of because I'm spending all day listening to people in the uk and australia talk um all right Uh, jordan musko and how many heads is too many heads on the helpit abomination I think more than one.   Oh, it's so funny Look at all the rat heads. I just wish that they would make a new model for it. I despise that helpit abomination model I love to help it. I love that. I love the the h that the abomb in sort of normal play, but god, do I despise that model? So Like I ended up converting one for mine. So there you go Uh Started as andrew fairbanks. I started a zeech army for escalation And i'm oh and six so far then for christmas my sister and wife bought me nergal things because they found an old amazon gift list Is this just as planned? I what else can you do the look the changer of ways is tricking you into playing his arch nemesis You've got to follow this road and see where it goes. It's all according to the that big chicken's plans Uh, let's see Uh gotten ikea display case. I really like the only place I can easily set it up We'll probably get hit by sunlight daily for a few minutes Do you think uv light will fade a painted mini over time? Yes, it definitely will Um, so like it depends on how much sun if we're literally talking about a few minutes Like five minutes or something. It's no big deal. I don't know how you just suddenly beyond something for five minutes, but uh, But yes, they will definitely fade them Uh, how do you choose something off your list to make a video on just something that's part of what you're doing Or do you choose something specifically also what camera do you film hobby cheating on the answers? Yes, if it can if I can fit it if I'm working on a current project that I feel will film well I'll film that if I if sometimes I'll start a special project just to suit that of course um Like that is to say sometimes I'll literally start doing something just because I think I will make a good video I mean like that is to say it's it's also a project I want to do but my point is I'll choose the sort of rank order of when I'm working on it Because I think it would be good video content and I can I can record a video out of it, right? um now Sometimes I'll just do sometimes I'll just do a standalone mini just for that video or something um How do I choose it off the list? I look down the list and say well, what sounds interesting to me to do I tend to sort of follow my bliss with this as with all things um, I don't ever make it just because You know of any reason other than I think it's what I would want to do Or I think I have something useful to say about it or you know, whatever like I'm I'm not one to just sort of make content Because I think it would be very popular or something like that. I I tend to make it because I think it's something that I have Hopefully something good to say about it Like that is to say I feel like the information I could communicate would be Useful and if I feel like that's the case then I'll generally make the video It's pretty much that easy Um But I yeah, that's why I keep a big running list full of full of more things than I could ever record That way there's always something when I look over the list that will inspire me to hopefully get making videos um It is like the content beast is an ever hungry monster Uh, and you know one of the challenges being somebody who's making content is you you have to Dedicate time to it like it's it's not a thing that you can do lightly. I take it quite seriously Um, I would take it as an absolute failing if I went, you know a week without a video Um, that's not because I'm worried about the youtube algorithm or worried that like some subscribers going to be like Oh, that's it. You know, he went a video without he's done unsubscribe like I don't really care about any of that I just feel like I made a commitment to all of you Um to do this when I when I started making videos and I I try my best to live up to that So I I plan my schedule and stuff around Uh being able to to make the this content and do this thing and it's more or less because I really like doing it Um I really enjoy sharing this. I I hope it helps people. I have a lot of fun making these videos Um, I have a lot of fun sharing this and getting the feedback and seeing people Paint models using the things that I taught them. I think that's totally awesome Like I consider myself absolutely lucky to be able to do it and for people to care Um And so yeah, that's kind of how I go about it. That's my that's my process So I'm just glad that some people find it useful that makes me very happy There you go.  Yep, that's true Uh Have a good night getev Uh, do you have any display diorama board videos? Yes, I have a big how to make a I have a diorama video and a display board video Again, if you go back in the hobby cheating playlist and just you just bring up the playlist and then just control f Display or diorama and you'll see answers I have I have a video on diorama theory and a video on actually how I made my most recent display board Um Uh, do you or can you do a video about developing a color scheme before you start painting? I struggle with breaking out of my same colors every time Sure. Yeah Absolutely Um, I will tell you That this is something I think about a lot. I obviously am someone who's very prone to using similar ish colors Uh, you know pink and teal is uh is my thing. I do that a lot um But yeah, absolutely. I can I can talk about that and how I think about, you know, just paint schemes Sounds like a great video. I will say that oftentimes the answer is Is don't think too deeply about it understand your main colors and then just let the miniature tell you what it should be from there But yes a hundred percent Uh, congratulations, john. That's wonderful. Uh on your sales of that stuff for gas lands Uh, oh, yeah, there you go. That is true. Dana. Howell does have a good video on paint scheme selection. Yep Uh, Sean Thompson, how does altitude effect paint? I live in the high desert at 4 000 feet and it's really dry I've been using a wet palette and a humidifier, but I'm still struggling with my paint Is there anything else I can do? Uh mix some retarder into the water in your wet palette Like literally where you put your water around which I just realized I'm like my basement is super duper Duper dry. I mean probably not 4 000 feet in the air in the high desert dry Um, but it is very very dry like I put water into my wet palette every hour or two because it dries out Um, like there is just it is this is negative humidity in my basement. Um so But a few drops of retarder in your water Uh and put a few drops into your paint water So when you're swishing your brush around it has some of that in there And that's the water you use and it should uh, it should help keep your paint wet James vince when you were buying your house, did you specifically look for a home where you could have gaming and a workspace? Yes, 1 000 percent. It was conditional. I would not buy a house unless it did Uh, I was very clear with my wife on that. I wouldn't have even moved from our old house unless it had that. Yes Uh, and then when we got this house and it had the the office and space that I always wanted I told her we're never moving again.  So there you go Uh Love to see a legion paint guide for all the legions 40 k and 30 k Yeah, I mean, I don't I the space marine videos are always popular But there's not a lot of those legions that i'm actually super interested in painting like there are other people who just do them better um Like I did the imperial fist and stuff like that because I I really love painting imperial fists Um, but I'll probably do a salamanders one at some point because I think they have a really cool scheme And you can do some cool stuff with them like I did the death guard one because I really love painting 30 k style death guard um You know as as the things strike me There there will be uh stuff i'll do like it like I said it always has to be something i'm passionate about or interested in so there you go Vince i'm trying to magnetize a stone horn thunder test kit and i'm not really enjoying it should I just not That is exactly the right answer. I do not believe in magnetizing kits Never have never magnetized a kit Uh, that's just wasted effort Um, like with stone horns and thunder tusks. You can just say there whatever Like who cares this is my thunder tusk Most players wouldn't even be able to tell the difference if you say that's what it is And it's the only thing on your list great paint him appropriately great Uh, I that stuff like that is never worth magnetizing in my mind um Uh, so I would say just build him how you like him and someday down the line A year from now just get another kit or something like that and then you've got two of them That's how you end up like me with like tons of giant monsters It's the easy way to go just over time You just collect monsters Uh, let's see Uh, okay angel elf giants better not be a lie I'm just saying we're kind of joking. I hope everybody got that Uh But there you go. Uh, I mean I'm hoping we get some kind of giant related thing And I'm hoping we get something from heish. We just kind of weren't saying those were all the same thing Okay, oh the guild wars two thing. Yeah, it's just it's just armor inspiration for this figure. I'm working on that's all Just a little reference art so people could see the kind of thing that I'm working on when I'm as I'm working Uh, let's see Red mage ultra have you tried out the war color shade set? And if so, what is your opinion of them? I have I don't like them very much. It's the only war colors thing. I've used that. I don't like I like their glazes. I love their fluorescence. I mean like love Um, I use their regular layer set all the time The one coat sets good Uh, yeah, the only thing I've used of theirs that I don't like is the shade set honestly So I just feel like it didn't really work for the intended purpose Uh, I feel like the transparent set of the glaze that just does that kind of thing better Bleep bloop. Hey bleep. How you doing? Merry Christmas to you. Hope you're well also Uh, all right, let's see What's getting painted a chaos lord that I'm painting in a sort of fiery armor scheme We're working our way there. We're working our way there slowly So that's what we're working on right now We need a little medium on here so I can start doing some thinner Some thinner glazes and get out the old master medium They're that big chunky nonsense in there all right uh, let's see John shaves just dropped in to say merry christmas and katia stands very good. Merry christmas to you sir Uh Yes, it is a guild wars two armor. I'm using it as I did not know it was a guild wars two armor until somebody told me earlier I was just using it for inspiration because I thought it was a cool looking fiery armor And I wanted to do a fiery armor paint scheme. And so I googled around images and that was the coolest one so uh as per usual always start with The real world or art or stuff like that if you can when you want to try something new and paint um The more you draw on Other art on other sources the better ideas you can then have to go off and do your own thing So we're just trying to get this guy Got to figure out the right ratios here of all this stuff and see if I can actually make it look heated heated cool whip Okay Oh, let's see. Have you ever done a video on shadows of flying objects? Uh, no, you mean like a drop shadow under under the guy Uh, I assume is what you're asking me. No, I never have. Um, I probably wouldn't worry about it in all honesty unless I was doing some kind of like You know really serious, um Unless I was doing some kind of really serious competition piece I generally wouldn't do drop shadows that being said kujo has a pretty great video about drop shadows So if you uh, if you want to live that drop shadow lifestyle I would say go check out his vid Because he will walk you through it So there you go What on his back is actually armor and what is cloak? I hadn't noticed it before that he had a little bit armor on his back I assume this is actually armor He's a weird little dude I I really should have changed corgis's other uh Hand here.  Why? Because chaos Let's see Uh, let's see Anthony burton Shaw happy christmas. Uh, what do you think the chance are of gw re-releasing some of the older death minis? Particularly zombies direwolves so that's they look really bad these days Who knows depends on whether or not one of the sculptors wants to do it is the honest answer as with all these things, right? Hello, emily happy christmas to you as well I mean as with all these things they um They go where the sculptors go. So if somebody gets the urge in their head to make some new zombies Then we'll get some new zombies Uh, ben hillman love the gyrocopters and steam tanks. You're just supposed to just curious What do you listen to music or anything when you paint? I listen to youtube I don't really tend to listen to music it depends when I'm doing some like I had a slanesh playlist that I listened to ad nauseam which was full of like, um Uh, my slanesh playlist was like Uh, fiona apples criminal and some garbage and a lot of my life with a thrill kill cult and the slanesh reveal video and Faster pussycat and just stuff like that Um, just stuff that seemed appropriate for slanesh um if the So like I'll I'll tend to tailor a playlist to always have it there But most time I'm just listening to other content creators and youtube stuff and I watch a lot of videos on education like learning about economics and Stuff like that. I like to learn while I'm painting too. So, you know, never miss a chance to learn something in life So sometimes entertainment sometimes learning sometimes just background noise when I want to get in the mood to paint as it were There you go My dog is running a bunch of my attention. She's coming up and putting her head in my lap here Uh, okay When I started painting in 1989 the only resource was citadel paints pamphlet. Yeah boy. Oh boy. You ain't kidding I mean that was before I started painting but you know, I started in the 90s and I I hear you Well, I as I've joked frequently the instructions in white dwarf war paint shade complete Um complete is not a real step Uh, so I'm I'm I am thankful for all the content creators who are putting out stuff now. It's it's wonderful Uh, let's see And so I'm super glad that uh that that you know, anything I put out helps Uh any tips for things to bring to adept con painting classes? Uh a good paintbrush Like have a couple good paint brushes other than that most people will tell you Um in the in the class it'll show you at the bottom what the instructor requires you to bring But I will say that most of the time the instructor will ask you to show up with a paint brush And then most stuff beyond that is usually offered Um, but it'll say for sure. So always check your class registration check the instruction sheet If you go look at what you got it'll say exactly what the instructor expects you to show up with Table top minions. Happy holidays. Vince. Hey there, sir Happy holidays to you. Merry Christmas to you and your sir. I hope you have a good one So all you and your family Uh, john my painting environment is damp. I paint and hobby in my garage paints. I've never frozen at least.  Like I had a wet palette and I put water in it and then there was still water in it Like an hour later and then two hours later. There was still water in it. I didn't know what was going on. It was Mistifying to me So I was very jealous of that Uh, let's see Vince I heard you speak in a video recently about your distaste for internal glow effects that come from within minis Can you say why and how to do it correctly or achieve a similar effect? Yeah, because it's just it looks better digitally than it does Uh, like what i'm doing right now. It's ironic that you would ask that question. I'm doing this But like this doesn't really super interglow. There were a couple other lava armors I looked at that were all interglow Because it requires a lot of work to do correctly and it usually requires it's an inside out scheme It assumes very low lighting in the area and that's not how we actually see miniatures miniatures are generally seen in very bright lighting And an inside out glow Think of how bright that glow is in between whatever that armor is Now stand that guy outside in the sun How much is that light showing? Okay, go outside your house in the middle of a sunny day and light a lighter How much light does that create? Less than zero, right? I mean not really but very little, right? Um, and that's the that's the challenge there Uh your Like interglow never really sells and it requires a lot of work to do so It looks great on a box like for a picture of box art If you want to if you can where you can turn out where you can get rid of all ambient light and set it against the black background Sure, then it'll sell Um, but when it's sitting out there on the table, it'll look kind of weird and you have to really fade the glow It's a lot of osl work and your eye will very quickly pick out if it's Not accurate You have Okay, sorry it's talking my dog All right, so there you go. That that would be my reasons Uh Oh very cool Uh, let's see. Are you familiar with the scale 75 alchemy colors ec eg citrine alchemy? Are they extreme highlights for metals? They're more of like I am familiar with them and they're more of like colorations for metals to add sort of Tint and shade and light pollution and stuff like that Let's see What's better than one stone horn two stone horns? What's better than two stone horns three stone horns and repeat couldn't agree more There's never such a thing as too many big monsters Uh, all right Can you speak on how to achieve a rose gold effect for something like the cipher lords? Merry christmas? Uh, sure rose gold Um, I mean I'll tell you how I would do it I would take, uh, three parts of my vallejo Stab myself on my own mini I take three parts of vallejo metal color gold to Probably one or two parts of copper and I would add in a drop of like magenta ink from dollar rowney fw Done and dusted jobs of goodin And that would be my base magenta and then I would deepen it with maybe some of the pure copper with a little purple And highlight it up with a little silver into that mix Uh, okay What are your thoughts on mig ammo paint? I don't believe you had that in your paint brand video I hear their metallics are actually good contrary to popular belief Uh, do I have I? No, I don't think I have any of the mig metallics So I can't speak on those I keep wanting to do the like Ultimate metal paint video sometime. I'm gonna do it like sometime. I will do the The comparison of all metal paints Uh all steel paints next each other But um, I've used some of their regular matte paints and yeah, they were fine Didn't have any issue with them. I I can't speak to the metals because I haven't used them Can we have a gander at the model? Sure. There he is It's for some reason the camera is really bad at like focusing today. It wants to focus up here I don't know why it might be because my pallets in the shot. I'm not sure. Hello So he's just coming along We're going for like a standard sort of dark nmm, but like the lava hot at the top instead of uh Instead of a white so he's got a lot of work to do still but he's coming along Uh radio free hammer hole, so I've never taken a painting class before two questions there What sort of paint class would you recommend for a first class and second? What is the class experience like? Uh, I would recommend taking a class that you find interesting Um, so there are lots of if you like if it's your first one, you know something about blending or color or skin tones or whatever, you know Something that you would find generally useful Um at most places like adept con or nova or something like that They'll be labeled beginner intermediate advanced So you can kind of figure out what you want to do there that being said I've never I've never taken a class I I take classes at every convention. So I always sit in on somebody's class Um, I always I I want to support other artists.  No Um, like I buy buy my ticket like anybody else Um, and I but I like to sit in and it's you know oftentimes it can still be stuff that I mostly know But you when you hear another Uh artist talk you I I've never had a class where I didn't learn something from anybody And uh, so I always find them useful and fun and um Uh So that's what I would say there and what's the class experience like generally awesome. I've never had uh I've never had a truly bad class I've had a class that was more like school Um because it was taught by Like I went to one of karil kanayev's classes. It was about three hours long and it was about light and color theory And karil is probably one of the greatest painters in the world Not probably. I mean he is undoubtedly And it was the most densely information packed class I've ever had like I learned more in it than I could ever imagine But he is a very like Direct presenter. He's just like click. This is the slide. I will now explain to you what is on the slide Very straightforwardly click. This is the next slide. This is what's on this slide. Like he's a very direct teacher He doesn't mess around like here's what you're here to learn. Here's what I'm here to teach you. It's very Russian and uh, I mean it was amazing But it was like it felt more like I was taking like a college Art course because we were learning about light and how it interacts with different colors and Like down to like this is the properties of light, you know, it's a wave that acts like a particle or whatever And uh or particle with wave like properties or whatever So I mean it was it was high level physics and science was in his class Well, but I've always loved them. I mean, they're great Generally, the instructors are real friendly and and he was still it was he was a super nice guy it's just you know, he's very businesslike um And uh, I mean if you ever get a chance to take a class with him I would recommend it. He is a freaking genius and like everything he tells you should be well listened to Uh, but I've always enjoyed every one of them. So my advice is do Like it will it will up your game 100 percent Any tips for painting white war pink white war paint on top of darkish orc skin? Yeah, sure. I need to do an actual war paint video. I will at some point. It's been on my list for a while Um, but the answer is you mix a little raw pigment into your paint and you dry brush it down So it doesn't get in the recesses when I say dry brush, I don't mean like Like we normally think of dry brush I mean you more take it at an angle like that where you're aiming not to paint in the recesses Because war paint paint is applied roughly and unevenly generally by someone's hands And it doesn't get in the cracks and crevices and wrinkles and stuff like that think of like How the white hand gets on the face of, you know, the Uracai All right. Oh, that was some answering a different question Uh, Rob Johnson, have you ever done a video about building in shadows into the models? I know glazing is a thing but building them in deeper Um, not really, but I mean, yes, it's it's a question of that Um, if you mean like cast shadows where like somebody's wearing like a hood and you actually cast the shadow line I've seen people do that again. It's hard to sell at that scale But it really is just a matter of like when you when things are in deeper shadow You work in a darker color and you push push push into the shadows Payne's gray is a great all-around generic shadow color to be honest So there you go Was Britney Spears toxic on your slinnish playlist? No, but it should have been I didn't think of that at the time Uh, but that would be a great addition to it I I could I can jam that song like that song still slaps. Okay, no doubt about it Uh advice for someone who is looking to try AOS with Maw Tribes, but is an incredibly slow painter It's what kept me playing a skirmish game AOS looks like a great time. It is Uh, watch my how to paint a video an army in 24 hours. I paint an ogre army That's my best advice Tim everything I would say about speed painting. I I sum up there rather nicely Uh, was it a Spotify playlist? No, it was on youtube Uh, I'm an old man. Come on. I'm too I I use Spotify every so often, but no I'm too old for that What brushes do you suggest? Uh, I make a video. I have a video called the top five brushes you should own Like the five brushes you should own I didn't do top five because it's not a freaking Uh, buzzfeed list, but it's the five brushes you should own. That's what I recommend Go go watch that video. I'll tell you the five it'll show sort of the five brushes and what they are And how you get them? Uh, let's see Robert McMillan question the second. Are you playing at a depth count or just teaching? I am just playing I do the paint judging for the AOS events Uh, so that between that and then teaching I don't generally have time to play Uh, let's see Scott are Hey, Merry Christmas to you as well Scott Contemplating doing a commission for a friend any suggestions charge more than you think you should and set a timeline That's twice as long as you expect it to take That's my advice for you Uh What about internal glow for rpg managers for of critters normally found underground same thing Like everything I said before is still the challenge, right? Like Yes, that's true. But do you look at that miniature underground in near darkness? You look at him in a bright light situation like this is and it's just going to look weird when Like it's just a very hard effect to sell. It's not impossible It's just hard and like if you're painting miniatures for fun and not like I would do it for competition Or something like that if I thought I was going to spend a whole lot of time working on it um But you know one of the problems is like it will to really sell the effect you have to you have to take a long time I want to see you paint a model with walmart paint. I don't uh, I I am a paint elitist Uh, but I can paint with golden heavy body acrylics if you want. I'll at least use artist pigments. That's fine I'm gonna do a video on those sometime soon Uh, let's see Let's see reflex dog training vince, uh Well, thank you very much reflex I agree with everything you said there reflex dog training and I agree all hail the great horned rat Have you ever used metallic paint to add sheen to non-metallic objects like cloth? No, not like cloth you wouldn't want to because even if it's silk you want to make sure you paint in those highlights But there are say situations where I think it does work.  I think is great That's the kind of place I would use it Is vallejo metal color the only gold you use yes Yes, it is But I don't I never use the gold alone because it's too cold and green Um, but I will I my general mixture is three gold to one copper When do you make your uh, when you do make your metal video put some pun reference to ironman it because why not? Oh, sure. Absolutely Uh, absolutely When you airbrush, do you use extraction? Well, I don't know what that is so I would have to say no Uh, I'm not sure what that means Uh, have a good night, john and mary christmas Uh, dylan. Hey, what's up, man? You've been doing posting dylan. You've been posting some beautiful beautiful stuff online lately, buddy I really like what what I've seen from you, man. You're doing some awesome stuff Working on a diorama that I'm bringing to adept con golden demon and I've been fighting with the idea of a backdrop I feel it would really add to the atmosphere story. I'm trying to convey But I know it's all about the models for golden demon Do you think it would end up being a detriment doing the backdrop? Should I really try to sell it on the base and the minis? It is a detriment if it's not done to the same level basing and background elements and stuff like that golden demon really doesn't love it That being said the diorama is the one place where you can kind of get away with it where you're fully setting a scene I think they're pretty soundly against it on single miniature Um with a diorama the reason they don't like it on single miniatures because it screws with their Photography and all that kind of thing I think but with diorama tends to actually set the scene a little better I mean, I would say do it dylan if you think you can hit the same level of quality And it's not detracting from any of the work with the miniatures. I mean it If you your best case here Is there's like you absolutely kill it and it adds a little bit more to what you're doing um The middle case is you you you nail it you hit that level of quality and it's basically neutral It doesn't hurt you doesn't help you If you if it isn't up to the same level of quality as the rest of the setting Then yes, it will be subtracted from your work So I would say if you're going to do it, which I you know, I'm all about backgrounds I always say set the scene, you know, live your best artistic life Um, but you know make sure you put in the time to to bring it up to the same level Two plus tough. What's going on Doug? How you doing buddy? Good to see you I was watching your hangout earlier When you were doing that gross gross nergal Uh dark mistress do you have a list of items you use while hobbying like a like a Link's list for the items most of what I use while hobbying is pretty straightforward Like it's my brushes and I keep a pair of tweezers and uh, uh an exacto blade next to me That's about it But actually the very first hobby cheat, which was like basic cheats and time savers was most of the stuff that I use Um, I do like I will say a different thing that I do is I don't use a standard exacto like most people I use a scalpel blade like this is a medical Uh scalpel and I order surgical steel Scalpels I don't go buy exacto blades from a game store. I order like surgical steel It is way sharper But you have to be very careful with it because it will cut through your flesh because that is what it's made to do Uh, I have sliced myself wide open before and you don't even feel it You feel it a few seconds later When the nerves realize what just happened Uh, so you do have to be careful with them Uh all right Just done a 14 hour day. Oof Uh, you must be in in in retail or something but uh or or something like that But hey, that's a long day on christmas eve. So we're glad to have you here, too Uh, is there a good way to edge highlight with anything other than a brush? No Um, I mean like I I shouldn't say that like I suppose you could use some kind of like marker or um, honestly, the honest answer is like the uh enamel Uh chalk pencils you can edge highlight with those you have to then seal them in but yeah, um But yeah, those are actually a kind of neat way to edge highlight That isn't a brush and they're very sharp like you're gonna definitely just get the edge So it's definitely a way you can go by the way, just clicked over to midnight here in eastern time according to my clock So merry christmas everybody. Yay Merry christmas We made it if you're in the eastern time zone if you're not you can wait another Some timer if you're already in the future. It's already christmas for you. But there you go Um, but yeah, like the little chalky enamel art pencils you can get them at art stores Um, they'll work and they'll give you a really nice sharp line uh Radio free hammer hall. What do you actually do in painting classes?  It's basically it Uh Uh scott I did a couple videos on pigment if you go back through the hobby cheating list I have a few on pigment. So there you go Uh, let's see Uh, it pains gray. Is it a color from a company or just a general color? You know, I don't know. I don't know if that's actually the name of a broader thing I mean, I only use dalarowni fw pains gray ink, which is is a specific Thing in their line. It's what I use all the time and more or less every project Uh, let's see Yeah, I mean, so the key with contrast so jeffery in your question about contrast You can always push the contrast more. It doesn't have to be gw sort of edge highlight thing But you know, you're trying to shrink said like there the world has a lot of contrast like look at my face Right now in this tiny window. I'm in see this bright light spot right here on my head That's like pure white light where my Bald shiny head is reflecting and then notice how dark these shadows are underneath here and underneath my chin Right like this is very dark The like when you shrink me down To an inch tall you have to intensify those So the key is you've got to push that contrast It's it's like your that value contrast of light to dark is is super important in making a miniature have impact Um So, yeah, I mean, but it's something you have to work on over time You don't need to necessarily do the edge highlighting style You don't need to go for that method, but you can just push contrast through natural blends You know, you don't have to jump up to an edge highlight or anything like that So there you go all right Have you thought of practicing iridescence like bugs carapace in the new year? I think it's the only thing you've brought up in your videos that you seem to avoid I do avoid it because I don't like it It's a really complicated It's a very annoying thing to paint and I'm not keen to do it I mean if if for some reason I'm doing a miniature where it it comes up sure always do it always work on it Uh, do I have any picks of the iron jaws army online somewhere? Yeah, they should be on my twitter and Uh, there's a few of them in my instagram if you look at my instagram feed just under vincen arvindrella uh I Might have done an armies on parade video for it. Let me see I need to really update those. It's been a long time since I've done my armies on parade Yes I did Yep, I did my armies on parade for iron jaws if you go so if you go to my channel and you look at my armies on parade Uh, I did do a video for my iron jaws. So there you go. I've probably added to the force since then, but it's close enough Emily supporting the scalpels. Yep, absolutely Do you use any extra air ventilation while air brushing just started the hobby again after 15 year in stake in a new hobby room? Any advice to be fantastic? Oh, okay. Nope. I mean, I have a little airbrush booth that has a fan and a filter on the back I run that Um, I don't use a mask unless I'm doing something toxic like if I'm spraying non acrylic paint Or primer I'll wear a mask But in general I don't you can you should like my advice here is generally you should You can do as I say not as I do as it were um But you know That's that's all I use. I don't have it venting anywhere. It's venting against a wall That's all Uh, let's see Oh, there you go. Windsor Newton has a panes gray and oil paint. So it must just be a color generally makes sense. It probably is Uh, am I done painting for tonight? No, I just have answering so many questions. I don't have time to like do both Uh, and that's okay Uh, oh Yeah, Sergio has a great class. If you ever get a chance to take one of his live classes like one of his two-day seminars, it's it's worth it Um Well, thank you for the compliments sir and Merry Christmas to you Uh, what would you say are minis that are good for practicing osl glowing effects? Uh, things holding a magic ball or their hand or wizards out like this where they have like one hand up Where you can directly trace where the light would fall along them and back to the face Uh, we're saying we're people holding a torch in the same way like somebody with an arm up And a simple easy obvious light source where you can track exactly where that light goes So like there's a couple there's many reaper miniatures that are like that that are cheap for a couple bucks that you can use to practice All right, so there you go. Yeah, jeff. It's just a matter of uh, it's just a matter of practice over time Well, folks, it's uh, it's christmas day So we've we've done it. We've made it to christmas been going for a couple hours now So I think we're gonna go ahead and uh and call it a night as I need to get taken care of my dogs And I have some stuff here. I've got to take care of on christmas morning before I go visit my family Uh, but I thank you all for hanging out with me. Merry christmas to all of you It's been wonderful hanging out with that with everybody And uh, been a great time So I will simply say merry christmas. Happy christmas. Happy holidays. Happy hanukkah Happy everything. I hope everybody's getting to spend at least a few days with their family and with friends And enjoying the hobby and painting and stuff like that because that is the reason for the season So just make sure that you're taking time with with uh, with those people you hold dearest And uh, and really valuing the time you have with them It is the most important thing at the end of your life You will not look back and say you wish you'd worked more Or anything like that, but you will say you wish you spent more time with the people that you Love and doing the things that you love. So make the most of every minute right now That's my christmas wish for all of you. So with that, I'll say thank you very much everybody Uh, happy holidays and I will talk to you all later Have a great night day or wherever it is wherever you are. See you next time