Okay, we're back here live. We're in Santa Clara, California. This is theCUBE. This is SiliconANGLE and Wikibon's exclusive coverage of O'Reilly Media's Velocity Conference. This is theCUBE. CUBE is our flagship program. We go out to the events to extract a silhouette from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE. I'm here on this segment with Bailey Caldwell, Vice President of Bistro and RightScale, a company that knows a lot about the cloud, knows a lot about Amazon, made their bones with Amazon Web Services. Going back, I can't remember what year it was, years ago.  Bailey, welcome back. Welcome back. Back to theCUBE. Thanks for having me. So what year did RightScale start? While we, since you brought that up, I just want to get that in- So we began in 2006, and actually our CTO, Torsten Von Eichen, when Amazon came up with EC2, realized that the management tool of the future would really be cloud native. And RightScale is a enterprise cloud management platform targeted at helping customers run software on private, public, and hybrid infrastructures, which is really the trend that we see in the market today, that there's multiple options and choices in the market. Why not allow yourself to use those choices to the best way possible? So, obviously I brought that up because I've been following you guys. I didn't even know what year it was, 2006, still very early.  And I've always called Amazon the junkyard for cloud where you cobble your own together, not the high-end commodity cloud they call it now. Certainly the competition calls it the commodity cloud. It's a way to kind of backhand and diss on Amazon. But since then, Amazon has really grown. You guys were the front-end provisioning system for Amazon. But Amazon has just grown with this really, really powerful and elegant stack. And they're adding more and more tech everyday. They're far from the junkyard cloud now. People can roll out high-end services, got Netflix on there, the rest is history. So talk about your relationship with Amazon because we are very interested in Amazon. I just wrote a post about Amazon on my Forbes account where HP claimed they won Workday. Workday said, no, we're on Amazon. Turns out Workday's having their own cloud. So everyone got caught in a Barney deal right there. So that's what we call a Barney deal and essentially who's on Amazon, who's cloud as anyway was kind of my post. There's a cloud war going on right now. There's the cloud wars. Amazon has put everyone on notice. All the enterprise guys. And then you got Azure out there. And you got Google. So to me, the big three in the public is Amazon, Azure, and Google. And the rest are all kind of value cloud. Let's focus on those three. What's the current state of those three guys? Sure, so first, you know, the relationship we have with Amazon is great. We have a unique model of them. We're both an ISV partner because we built our product for multi-cloud management on top of AWS originally. And we're an SI consulting partner because our team of professionals who know Amazon and all the other clouds really well have implemented as many apps as almost any other company in the cloud architecture. So we have a great relationship with them, but it is interesting times as these other large-scale providers coming to the market. We've done a lot of work with Rackspace in the past as well. What we find is that, again, it's all about choosing the right infrastructure resource for your company, your business model, and your software apps. Some of the things that other clouds do are unique differentiators. I think Amazon certainly has a very broad feature set. They innovate at an amazingly rapid pace, but there's a lot of demand for choice. And really, the enterprise of the future is thinking about how do I take advantage of all these resources? Because I have geographic requirements. I have cost requirements. I have SLA requirements. And ultimately, AWS is fantastic, but Azure and Google and Rackspace and others, software just got acquired by IBM, really relevant event in the industry. We're big fans of what they've done. It's a different take. They do a lot with bare-metal provisioning. Ultimately, I think our goal in terms of rightscale is to provide access to all these different resources because ultimately that's the value proposition we provide to the industry.  I mean, you guys still do a lot of business. Yeah, absolutely. Are they number one? So there's more, they're the biggest cloud in the market as far as we can see, yes. Okay, so obviously they're doing, adding more stuff every day. So does that change your strategy? What's the rightscale strategy right now? So ultimately, it ties back to what enterprises really need to be successful in this model. And in our view of the world, it's a hybrid cloud world for them, which includes private cloud infrastructures that are going to build in their own data centers, public clouds that are geographically segmented and resources that they can take advantage of. So ultimately, the things we're focused on are innovating on top of all these platforms and unifying the experience of compute storage and networking through a single management console and a single interface. There are a lot of ways for companies to execute their cloud strategy. We think that we've proven there's a way to do it in a multi-cloud world that brings this new generation of IT services to your enterprise and lets you focus on the things that really matter, which is actually executing on your business plan, not managing cloud infrastructure. That's what our platform does really well. And so you guys have, again, people may know you in the industry as being the front end to Amazon, but because Amazon's been so growing so fast, you guys have shifted to that business model, right? Enterprise, cloud management. Yeah, we started on multi-cloud in 2000 and late 2007, 2008. We were very early at that stage, but we always thought there would be multiple choices in the market. And I think that everyone who's watched technology in the past would agree with that. There's always going to be a number one and then there's going to be several competitors. And sometimes that stays that way for a long time and in other cases, there's some disruption that occurs. Do you think Amazon has a chance in the enterprise?  But I mean, obviously they don't, right? And enterprises, you know, OpenStack has shown that Amazon's just not there yet. Are they on a path to get there? I'll say that we've said in the Cube, yeah, they are. And everyone's noticing it. I mean, IBM buying SoftLayer, like you said, the seminal moment in the cloud business because it's unheard of. That's a major tell-tale sign from IBM. They're going to get the cloud. They're not going to be left in the dark. So everyone wants their own cloud. Okay, so, right? So we just want to be the cloud for every person who's using it, right? So that's our goal and strategy.  So the question is really the wrong one. It's not can they succeed in enterprise or can public cloud play a role in enterprise? It's absolutely proven itself to be able to do that. And I actually wanted to bring up a test we did on Google Compute Engine just over the past few weeks regarding the scale and performance you can achieve by running applications on public infrastructure. So we basically took a really common technology, WordPress Blob, a simple MySQL or LAMP stack.  And we did this not to compare it to anything else, but just to explain and describe the experience of running an at scale infrastructure on public cloud resources. And you know, in an hour, we went from zero to 200,000 users and we pushed 2.4 gigabits in network traffic. And that essentially resembles, you know, the largest blog in the world right now in terms of total volume of users and page views. And the cool thing about it was we were able to do it with almost zero issues. And we had to tune and tweak the things on our end, but the Compute Engine platform ran exceptionally well. The servers all performed and network all performed. And the point is companies can run their apps in the world's best data centers and infrastructure, whether that's Amazon, Microsoft, Google, Rackspace, SoftLayer, all of them have their benefits. And it's our, you know, view that providing those choices is really going to be the key to the most effective enterprise cloud strategy. So we covered MapR, which did an amazing benchmark on the Compute Engine. It was massive, they spun up. It basically showed a little different scenario. The bare metal provisioning cost and time versus spinning up the same kind of benchmark. I forget which benchmark, it was the famous benchmark, I put the name of it. So you did a bit, so your benchmark's a little bit different.  Okay, got that, Google has scale. So I want to ask you a little bit different question though. What is going on with Google right now? Can you just share with the folks? There's a lot of misinformation. Some of it's under private beta, some's available, I know from some of my early reports that they're targeting a lot of high-end financial institutions before they open the kimono to the world, but they got some availability on some of their stuff. What's the story with them? Can you lay that out? Sure, so I can share what is already public, but also I have some more direct information just because I work with them every day. And the confusion around the beta was really their launch at I.O. Where they said, hey, anyone in the world can come to Google Compute Engine and use it. Some people confuse that with them saying it was GA. I think their GA target is in the future. But one of the reasons we did what we did with regards to this performance test was to kind of prove out that what Google's been claiming, which is this is our infrastructure that we are now turning into a commercial product. And to be honest, you can't go from the launch date of I.O. a year ago to today, and Google could, but it's hard to get to the level of scale that they wanted to. But what do they have available? So is it available or not? Yeah, it's available for anyone who wants to use it. It's in technical previews still, so the GA date's going to be later this year. So you've got to apply, basically, right? No, you can go sign up on their website right now and purchase Google Compute Engine directly from Google, or you can buy it from RightSale. All right, so you're reselling their cloud? Yes. Okay, great. So who would buy that? IT departments for private cloud, top of cloud? No, it's, well, what we've seen is there are some peak demand infrastructure. So for example, online learning, where you have a set of classes running in the fall and you need a lot more infrastructure because there's classes running versus in the middle of the summer when there's a lot less load. And those work really well in a large-scale compute environment. So there's interest and usage from customers who have variable workloads, and I think that is an area that Google has focused on early because the theory is if you can scale to 200,000 concurrent users, running a broad portfolio of enterprise applications, it's certainly not going to be an issue from a scale and architecture perspective. So while it's easy for the industry to say, yeah, well, of course, it's Google, they can scale, we thought it would just be interesting to go actually do it and run that. Yeah, so it's a great failover option. It's a great resource elastic option. It's like basically why people go to Amazon. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of similar reasons behind that.  I mean, App Engine does a lot of work and now you can start mixing the entire cloud platform into composite architectures and apps. It's very much what Amazon's strategy has been, build more and more services and that way you can enable more and more apps on your infrastructure. Well, I got to say, you know, you guys live in a good part of the country out in Santa Barbara. Yes, we do. Shout out to my son, Alec. He's going to Santa Barbara. Be down there visiting. So I think you'll see a lot more of me down there. Do a little meetup down there, do a little CUBE technology day, hit the golf course. In all seriousness, I've always been a big fan of right scale. I think you guys have a good perspective. I think you've seen the evolution of the cloud up front, front row seat and an actor and the participant in the business. So you guys bring a lot to the table. So my final question for you is, what's going on in the cloud business that people should know about? Vis-a-vis, even just 12 months ago or even three years ago, what is the big thing that's happening right now and what is the mega force, the mega trend that's lifting this mark? Because cloud is now based on our assessment and our data, more popular than big data. Because cloud is the top level architecture. Big data is part of cloud, if you think about it. So we're seeing more and more and more cloud reality happening now than ever before. So I want to ask you, what's your view on what people should know about the cloud right now? So, I mean, I think that it's clear that cloud is a viable technology component of any enterprise IT strategy. I think that the most important thing for companies who view cloud as a strategy, in other words, it's not just cheaper infrastructure. It's actually part of how you're going to enable your business. The key understanding there is that there is a suite of tools that you need to enable that. And that looking at all the options in the market is really important and critical. I still don't believe in a single source view of the IT world. I think there's going to be composite architectures both for applications and for how IT has managed. So there's a lot of VMware out there that's not going anywhere. And that can be left as a virtualized infrastructure or converted into a more cloudy model. And then there's a lot of newcomers. I'd still consider right scale a newcomer in the grand scheme of things that have a set of tools that are deep and specialized to really enable the agility that you want to achieve out of cloud. So it's really about a strategy, not about a set of technologies. Those are all enabling parts of what your core competency needs to be as a company. And also look at your own skill sets, right? This is a very technical conference. There's a lot of people here who know and understand cloud and cloud architectures. There's a whole generation of IT users that we need to bring forward into that cloud model. And I would encourage that population of the IT world, which is massive to come to conferences like this to watch theCUBE and learn about these sort of tectonic shifts that are happening in the market. Yeah, and one of the themes I will share, and I totally agree with you. I mean, this is really, I think this velocity conference has evolved into being having the pole position of leadership because even though it doesn't get the buzz, maybe a generic cloud conference we get, this conference is really about the design of the future. And that's an integrated stakeholder mix.  They got to trade off design decisions, design decisions on how they do the infrastructure, provisioning should be flawless, should be seamless, it should be agile and quality. I mean, these are things that they're being talked about here technically, not like hyped up. So companies are actually doing it, right? And those are the ones that are here as well presenting. Yeah, if you're watching this live, go to the Fluent Conference hashtag. It's Fluent, C-O-N-F. And hit us up, we're watching that feed right now. We'll answer all your questions. I guess my final, final question will be then, multi-cloud is a big deal. We're just at the HP Discover event. We had IBM Edge last week and the Worldwide Developer Conference at Apple with theCUBE. And the trend is very clear. The consumerization, we don't even want to talk about that anymore, done deal. It's really the multi-cloud is really where it's at. So HP is saying, hey, you know, we'll take on Amazon because we think we can compete on value. IBM saying we're going to buy soft layer but we want to fix our storage group. We're going to be bringing all integratively and everything else into this one platform. So you got the platform wars, you got the cloud wars. But customers aren't going to buy HP only. They're going to buy the suppliers that they have relationships with. So we're back to multi-vendor. Remember the old days, multi-vendor support. What is the multi-vendor landscape look like for cloud? And how do you guys manage that? Because you have to do all the business deals with the folks to be multi-cloud. And what does multi-cloud mean? Well, I mean, it's a good point. I think from a business model standpoint, we've been lucky enough to forge really strong relationships with all of the providers that we happen to support as well as the private cloud technologies. And I think that's part of why we are so sort of confident in our potential and our ability to deliver for these enterprise class workloads and customers that should really view right scale at some level as the cloud. Because if you deploy and provision on our platform, we've taken care of a huge amount of complexity with tens of millions of dollars of engineering involved. And that's all we do every day as we wake up thinking about how to support this multi-cloud world and what are the key enabling factors that will allow the cleanest interface and the easiest way for companies to adopt these infrastructure. Okay, so give the folks out there a poster, bumper sticker or a poster of what right scale is now and what you guys want to do this year, Bailey? Well, I mean, the way I always try to sum it up is if you're going to use cloud, you have to put right scale into your decision matrix. We have to be one of the options you consider as you're looking at all the choices. And the reason I say that is because of our expertise and our background. We have that experience, we can help guide you. Hopefully you become a customer of ours, but if not, even our website, rightscale.com, go there and look at it. So I mean, we're still focused on building the base infrastructure of our platform. And you know, we are going to extend our capabilities in areas that we don't believe the core cloud providers will be yet. And that's our strategy, is to continually innovate in front of this wave, you know, continue to surf it and focus on our customers and their needs and requirements. And absolutely, Google Compute is pretty hot. How about Azure? Any comments on what Microsoft's doing? Yeah, Azure is very interesting, right? Because they have the enterprise agreements with these large companies and they're able to do all kinds of interesting things on those licensing structures. So most large companies buy a lot of Microsoft software. Well, they can bake Azure into that agreement and deal. And we see a lot of interest in people who have those pre-existing relationships to use Azure. Okay, we're here live in the Velocity Conference. This is Silicon Angles theCUBE. We're here live getting all the data. We're at RightScale, early cloud player. Very notable to point that out. You guys have a lot of goodwill in the community. Congratulations. You know, and in your tech company, you guys have done some great tech. Made a lot of people's lives easier. And deploying to Amazon initially and now to other clouds. So RightScale props to you guys. Bailey Colwell, VP of Business Development. We're here. This is theCUBE on Silicon Angle. We'll be right back with our next guest after this short break. Thank you.


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He studied and classified human skulls. He measured every bone in the human body and discovered that the measurements of no two human beings were exactly alike. He called his system anthropometry and applied it to apprehension of criminals. And something more to know about him. That now, whenever violence and murder is done every time Scotland Yard catches a Crippen or the Surtait, a Landry or the FBI, a Dillinger, silent tribute is paid to this man. To Alphonse Bertilion. For reasons such as this. Anything in his pockets, Jura? Only these coins. Nothing else. An event of spring, eh, Monsieur Bertilion? And no identity. And no identity. Now, the tarpaper, the rope will be removed from him. I'll want them in my laboratory, Jura. Oh, of course, of course, Monsieur Bertilion. I'm yours, you, Jura? The tarpaper and the rope in the laboratory, as you wish it, sir. I will gather them up. Wait, sir. Hold your lantern close. Here. These wounds about his head. He was struck from behind. Perhaps as he walked the path there. No. No?  The hands of a man who has done no manual labor. And here, Jura, you see this? His sleeves, sir. His sleeve. His right shirt sleeve. Are we disclaimer? New word on the left, perhaps, as he fell his left arm? Not as he fell. There are men of whom this thing of the shirt sleeves is characteristic, Jura. Oh? Yes. Men who deal with the writing, with pens, with ink, wear on their right sleeve a special cuff to protect it from stain, from smudges. Yes, I've seen such cuffs. An office clerk, maybe? Or an accountant, such a man whose hands are soft and marked with toil, as these ones are. And, Jura, yes, sir, where murder is, where death is, there is also something else. Always something else. Identity of the victim of his murderer. Cover him, Jura. Cover him from the rain. Vector Kamaskas. Yes, sir, what do you wish? To give you the report, sir, of the tests I've made in the laboratory. The men of science. Eh, Bertillon? The students, the searchers, the player with test tubes and microscopes. That is the man you are, eh, Bertillon? You wish to hear the report, sir, and the working detective whose only materials are of informers and drunkards and whisperings and small vengences. You still sniff at these men, Bertillon? At their methods? No, no, sir. Respect them, very highly. Therefore, you must respect me, your chief, very highly. What are the reports, Bertillon? Eh, the results of the test tube and the microscopes, sir, and the pattern of the murder of the man we found in the Bois. Excellent, excellent, and eloquently spoken. Well, go on, go on. Eh, that he was struck and murdered in a wine cellar. That he was then dragged into a second room filled with sodas, sand, and coal. And then into a third room. A room always in blackness without windows. I marvel, Bertillon, and I bow. And it is needless for me to ask if you know where all this took place, the address perhaps. I believe it was in a house somewhere along the Seine, which would explain the presence of sand stuck to the tarpaper. And the room always in blackness and without windows. Surely, Clare-voyance, Bertillon. Only a shirt collar under the microscope and two colorless blind parasites. Species of blind beetle that can live only in a pitch black room. And on the coat and vest, bacillia of alcoholic fermentation. Which? Which proved the wine cellar. Exactly, sir, which proved a wine cellar. I marvel. Indeed, I marvel at you, Bertillon. And at another thing also. One thing, how rich we are in knowledge and information and deduction.  A victim's identity.  For his identity is known. Ah. Yes, sir. By the alchemy of this system of yours of weights and measures and contours and proportions. No, sir. Not this system, then. Another system. Well, we found it in a wallet. In it, his name is a dress. A boy this morning, passing at some distance from the scene, stumbled across it and brought it to his father who brought it to us. Excellent system. The deceased is Charles Delier, 33 Rue Saint-Michel. And we know it is he, since a photograph which was in the wallet, is a likeness of the victim. Also, yes, he was an accountant and matched against our records. A thief who left our presence two years ago. Also. Ex-creditist. This finding of a wallet. With a wife named Lucille. But the name of the murderer, Bertillon. Nowhere. Find him. Yes. I am Alphonse Bertillon. Sur tes. Of Charles. I'm sorry. Do not be. My husband is an unlucky man. Whatever he chooses to do inevitably turns out badly that when he chooses to break the law he is caught, follows. He is dead. Very well. Thank you. Wait. Yes. He was murdered. He is dead. He was murdered. And it will be his bad luck to lie in a potter's field. There is a necessity to find his murderer, Mrs. Delier. Yes. Who murdered him then? And why? I don't know. And this. What? There is not very much I do know about him. Only that he worked. Appeared at a certain hour in the evening, not promptly, was fed. Disappeared or stayed according to what mysterious thing moved him. Now dead. Now dead, sir. And it would please me if you left now. Did he still work at bookkeeping? At Dumier & Company? The actuaries under Gilbert Street. As I said, Mrs. Delier, I am sorry. Be sorry then. And as I said, it would please me if you left. Yes, yes, of course. Head of scratch paper. Which are the three things I allow each of my employees to hold in his desk? So would Mr. Delier's desk. Feel. Go ahead and feel. Nothing else in the desk drawer is there. Inflexible rule. No small objects to hint of motive for murder. No packets of potions or letters of love. Yet I must tell you this. Down the street now, there is a shop. And in this shop of Mr. Cabasseau, there are fabulous dresses which must cost each three times the salary of Charles Delier. Three times his salary, Mr. Cabasseau? Then this Charles Delier must be a rather poor man, Monsieur Bertillon.  And this he did. So his employer told me. Why should he do a thing like this? It's to think about, isn't it? It is really to think about really. Married? What? I say, are you married? Oh yes, yes indeed. Is this your wife? What? I say, is this your... Oh, my wife.  Well, sister? True, true indeed. However, this is my wife. I compliment you. I often do too. This dress business you have here. Very successful, isn't it? I am fortunate. And your home in the back must be luxurious. May I compliment you again? Of course. Your clothes. Exquisite. Thank you. Great tease. Less than elegant, I am afraid, for I travel in them to Brussels this evening. Else I would be wearing a touch of brocade and a velvet collar. Nice. Oh, yes. My wife should be here soon. It's a scent she prefers. Yes. Now, another thing. Of course. Is there a cellar here? Cellar? Cellar. Oh, no. Wine cellar? No. Monsieur Cabessu? Yes. I don't have a warrant, but therefore you cannot search. I wouldn't think of it. Of course. No. Yes. Why should you want a warrant for these particular premises for... Come in, my dear. Monsieur Berthillon was just on his way out, hurriedly, so there is not time for an introduction. Carriage! Carriage! The serial date. He is the murderer. What are you talking about? Cabessu. Certainly he. Possibly his wife. The murderer? Or murderers. Because? Because he's an older man married to a younger woman. But without a cellar, dear Berthillon. Older man, yes. And married to a younger woman, yes. But without a cellar. You said it yourself. There is a cellar. What? I'm going back there, sir. I'm going to break into the shop. And there will be a cellar. The very one in which was murdered, tell you. Unless you will issue a warrant, so I may search. Impossible. There are no grounds on which to issue a warrant. Merely that he is married to a younger woman. And a murder victim loitered about. At your own risk, then. No warrant. Yes, sir. And if you are shot for breaking into a shop and a home, we will disavow any knowledge of it. Yes, sir. Men have been shot and killed, you know, for exactly that. Seven last years, I looked it up. Good luck. Yes, sir. Auto light is bringing you Mr. Charles Boyer in the Bertillon Method, tonight's presentation in radio's outstanding theatre of thrills suspense. Listen to this on the spot interview recorded in Bronxville, New York. And what is your name, officer? Petronman James Morris, the Bronxville Police Department. I understand that you signed up for the auto light family charity drawing. That's right. Uh-huh. And should your name be selected, how would you care to designate the money? I was split three ways, cancer fund, heart fund and Bronxville PBA. Very fine. And may I wish you good luck. Thank you very much. Have you signed up yet? 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He would say, ask yourself two questions about every premeditated murder. Who profits from this crime? Where is the woman? And prove that 90% of all major crimes have a woman next to them. And said, I distressed a man who always smiles and wouldn't, if the occasion demanded it, disguise himself in the rough clothes of a French workman in order to break into a suspect's home, to break into a suspect's home and get caught.  I have a pistol here, and I shall not hesitate to use it. So, put up your hands. Yes, ma'am. Come closer. Yes, ma'am. Gently, for I'm skilled with this weapon. Yes, ma'am. What vileness did you come here to commit? Thief. I am a thief. Yet have I not seen you before? Doubted. Sincerely, having spent so much time in prison. How did you get in here? The cellar. The cellar? Yes, the wine cellar. Liar. Ma'am. The trapdoor to the cellar is still nailed down. Therefore... Therefore, I did not break in through the cellar.  Yes, ma'am.  Yes, ma'am. With no shame. I should be in jail. Or worse. Worse. Fortunately, it is that my husband is left for brass. Ah, he has a great temper, you husband.  He has a temper to kill. Who are you? Liar and thief. Who should be given to the police? As you shall. As you shall. Shondam came, complimented Madame Cabassu upon her vigilance, her costume and her bravery, and arrested her thief and prowler. Then took him to a precinct station and led him to a cell. When? And precisely, here the committee ends. My colleagues? For I am Alphonse Bertillon of the Franchurité. Call my chief, Monsieur Camas-Casse. Which, after an hour of discussion and compassion for the fantasies of thieves, to prove a point they did. And Monsieur Camas-Casse, chief of the Surtée, came to the precinct station. Release him. It is he. Alphonse Bertillon. Two days later, Bertillon received word that Monsieur Cabassu had returned from Brussels and was now once again in the bosom of his elegant shop and home. Bertillon went there and, Monsieur Cabassu, since you have chosen to interrupt my wife and myself at dinner, Monsieur Bertillon, I am but pleased to offer you a place at our table. Will you? I'm honored, Monsieur. Thank you.  Well, it's not an adventure we had, Madame. I, in the role of a thief, and you, how well you played your part. Exquisitely. But Jean, I will not stop with the criminal. I assure you, my dear, he is no criminal, and this matter of his illegal entry into my home while I was in Brussels, we shall discuss properly over sherry and partridge, Marcel. Yes, dear. Better place than, Monsieur Bertillon, the server of postmen.  Oh, thank you. May I? May you what? Make an observation upon the elegance of your dinner table, the crystal, the porcelain, the silver shaping dishes. Make it then. Stunning. It is how we conduct ourselves at all times. The precise accessories for the precise occasions. When one must eat, one must eat with elegance. Monsieur, yes. What are you doing? Your plate, Monsieur. And your silver. He's sketching, Jean. Sketching? Yes. Sketching what? You. Why? You have an interesting face. Oh, exceptionally. Another pose, Monsieur. First a thief, now an artist. Oh, not really an artist. I have an exceptional eye for proportion, that's all. Come look at it, Jean. Not very flattering. It's not my intention to flatter.  Oh, Jean? Thélier was a young man, as you are young, madam. And you, Monsieur Cabersu, of me, what?   Why did you lie about it? What did you say you did not have?  Of course. Good night. At first, no cellar. And all at once, Inspector, a cellar. True. Now, why should a man lie about a cellar? Well. Give me one reason why a man, any man, should lie about a cellar.  Would you say no? Not unless. Not unless you have committed a murder in your cellar. True. Therefore, I ask that you issue a writ of arrest. Listen to me. I am sure he's a murderer. Listen to me. Very well. Mr. Cabersu is an important man. And why not? Since he has committed an important murder. And if I issue a writ of arrest, then he has taken into custody. And you cannot prove your accusation, do you realize it? I can prove them. In this envelope here, a sketch of Mr. Cabersu. And the proportions I have indicated here, in centimeters, length of jaw to full length of face, eye socket to side of forehead, et cetera, et cetera. Yes, yes. Now, I present you with this other data. Please. Compare them. Yeah. Issue the writ, Inspector. Yes. What's the meaning of this? Police. Where is Mr. Cabersu? He is asleep. Where is he? Quickly, quickly, where is he asleep? His suite is the closest to the head of the stairs. Wait.  You're under arrest. What is the meaning of this? Out of bed. Out of bed quickly. But why? You are under arrest. Here is the writ. Murder. Here. Put on your trousers. It is an outrage. You will see. Murder is always an outrage. This is infamous. I will make you pay.  A man of influence. Yes. Because you are Jean Cabersu. Yes. Surveyor of elegance to the wealthy. Yes. And no longer Jean Plagne. I said, and no longer Jean Plagne, Monsieur. Well, Abash, thief, cutthroat. How did you know? Friend to a murdered man. Impossible, the truth. Not impossible. You must have in memory for the time some years ago when you were measured at this small police station for the proportion of the length of jaw to the length of face of eye socket to the side of forehead, et cetera, et cetera, that you have changed the color of your hair, that you have nimbus stashed, that you have gained weight, nothing. No disguise. For to disguise the length of in here, our bone stretcher, impossible. Listen very well. I am Jean Plagne, but now I am respectable and honorable man. Exactly why you had to commit murder. To maintain this attitude. Then you know about Charles Tellier. Of course. He was arrested with you. Also a thief. Now come back to haunt you with your old sin. Blackmail, Monsieur. Yes. An apology. 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It's such a privilege to be here. It's my first year at a Steubenwald conference because 30 years ago, when the conference started, I was turning 80s a few thousand miles east of here. So as Scott mentioned, I grew up in Turkey. And I wanted to begin my talk to give a little bit of a background about Turkey because it's kind of a country that's stuck in between east and west. Turkey is predominantly Muslim over 99% as Kurtis mentioned on Friday night. And yet at the same time, if you visited Turkey, there's a lot of Western elements. It's not like the other Muslim countries because after the First World War when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the founder of modern Turkey wanted to westernize the country because he thought that he thought that the empire collapsed because the country didn't keep up with the Western technology and innovation. I don't think he was Muslim himself, but he also understood that for the Turkish national identity to stay strong, there needed to be a religious element. So what happened is that he imposed all these Western ideals of liaisism, which is like the French secularism where the state oversees the religion. And he forced people to wear the Western garb. Nobody was allowed to cover their heads or wear the Ottoman male headgear fez. And then he used to use the Turkish, I mean Arabic alphabet, Turkish is a language on its own, but we just used the Arabic script to write. So he changed that to the Latin script. So Turkish alphabet is like similar to the English one with a few extra funny looking letters with dots and stuff. So there was this like outwardly change within the country's appearance. But at the same time, of course, Turks have been Muslims for a long, long time. And of course that stayed as the major part of the country. So as growing up, this meant that for me, we went to a school and everybody wears uniforms there. In the winter, we went to the school and learned about all these Western ideals of equality of women and men and secularism again and read about, kind of read about Western history with kind of a favor, favoring of course the Ottoman history. So and then in the summers, we all wore our headscarves as girls and long sleeves, long skirts and went to the local mosque to learn how to read the Qur'an in Arabic. So it was kind of this being stuck in between two worlds. So what this also meant within the society or within life is that for me in my family, like my mother worked a full-time job, but she was still supposed to come home, cook three courses of meal every day and wash the dishes, do the laundry and all that stuff. So she was getting like the worst of the Western ideals of feminism and the worst of the Muslim world of still she needs to be in charge of everything. And another aspect of this, this Muslim social structure was that the men was still over women. If you were there, I kind of talked about this idea of servile fear and filial fear. So because Allah is the master of the Muslim that trickles down to the society, right?  So it's not like the way we see marriage in Christianity. It's a completely different understanding of marriage. So my parents' marriage has always been rocky because my mother is really stressed out and my father still has all these expectations. And at the same time, my father happened to like women a lot. Yeah. So what happened is, I mean, this is very common in Muslim countries and even in Turkey, it's illegal to marry more than one woman, the Western ideals that they got from Christianity, of course. But if a man has a mistress or cheats on his wife without making a really big deal out of it, it's fine. Like as a wife, you're supposed to turn a blind eye and just kind of let it happen. Because again, the Muslim understanding of sexuality is completely different than what the church teaches. It's like, I don't know if you've heard that it's men don't have much control over their urges. So they are going to find a way to satisfy that. And as women, you're supposed to be OK with it. And so my mother was for a long time. She was completely OK with it. And of course, I'm growing up in this turmoil, but I don't know anything else. This is all I know. All I am taught is Islam. And so I go to the mosque. I memorized all the Arabic prayers. And I learned how to read the Quran in Arabic. And I'm very studious by nature. So I just wanted to learn more and more about this religion that's really important. My parents were never observant. My mom used to and still does fast during Ramadan. But that was too much for my father. So he just didn't observe any. But he's still Muslim, right? Like no manila Muslim. They're just religion is a very, very important part of your identity, regardless of how much you practice. So I'm growing up in this, never once ever questioning it. And one of the things that, again, I talked yesterday, this idea of servile fear. Because in Islam, it is thought that Allah is the ultimate master. So servile fear is this fear this servant feels against his master because of fear of punishment. It's not necessarily evil because there is a little bit of that in all of us.  And sometimes we feel contrition because of that. And that's imperfect. But the perfect contrition is that we fear, which is the filial fear. We fear disappointing our father in heaven. So servile fear is supposed to evolve into this filial fear slowly, like it does with my children. My toddler wants to touch the stove. And I say no. And she looks at me. She's like, wow, this lady is really big. And I think she can take me. So I better listen. Or she still goes and touches the stove and gets a good burn. But so hopefully the former. But I hope that as she grows up, she's going to learn that, hey, this lady really, really loves me and wants the best for me. And I don't want to disappoint her. I don't want to make her sad. So then she listens from that filial fear. And love. But in Islam, it's unthinkable that God is the father. Again, I talked about it for a while yesterday. So I don't want to repeat myself. So it never turns into this wonderful filial fear. So one of the, I open this because this is so hard to explain to Western mind because you grow up blessed with this idea that you have freedom. You can question. And you are not bound with these. But Muslims grow up with this intense fear from an early age. But it's like being fish, right? Like all you know is water. Like you can't imagine the desert or the land. This is all you know. So I want to give you a concrete example as a kid. You're not so, you're taught that you're not ever supposed to try to picture or imagine how Allah looks like. So I think I was around seven. And one day I'm laying in bed and thinking about God, Allah. And I tried to imagine him as like this fluffy, cloudy kind of being with rainbow eyes. And as I'm doing this, suddenly I was struck with this intense fear because I realized what I was doing. I'm like, oh no, he's going to punish me, right? So I couldn't sleep that night. And I wake up, I'm walking to school. And we lived by a creek. And there was this really big boulders by the creek. And I thought, oh man, those are kids like me who trade to imagine Allah. And they were turned into stone. I was paralyzed with fear for days. And I was afraid to walk by the creek, because I'm like, he's going to turn me into stone. So imagine this. As an early age, this becomes part of your being. So you never ever question, which is one of the biggest hurdles to the conversion of Muslims. So there is this wall of fear that you put up as you grow up. And it almost takes this really traumatic event or something really big in your life to crack that wall. Because once you start questioning Islam, it's kind of like a house of card. It falls apart. But bringing these people to the point of that questioning is very hard. And for me, that crack came when my parents decided to divorce, because my father was like, well, you know, it's really hard to go to another house and cheat on my wife. How about I take another wife who is much younger and then she'll be here all day, right? So of course, my mother kind of drew the line there. And they got a divorce. And as you can imagine, it was really, really messy. So around 11 or so when this happened, and I was really attached to my father. And I had always had a rocky relationship with my mother, because she was under so much pressure. Now, looking back, I understand. But as a kid, you don't understand that. So it was a very messy divorce. There was a lot of fights and physical abuse. It was just, it was really, really messy. And it shook the ground out under me. And, you know, no matter what they say, how resilient children are, all we know in our selfishness is that the world revolves around us. And one of the main parts of that world is our family. So my father left after telling me that he would never leave us the following day he left and we didn't hear anything from him for years and years.  Clearly it was a lie. The fact that they loved me was a lie. What else did they lie about, right? So that was the, so I'm 11 years old again. And up until now, I had never again questioned Islam. And for the, my first instinct was to go pray more. But the more I prayed, the more I felt like there was not nobody listening and nothing on the other side of darkness. And then I'm like, maybe this was a lie too. Like they always told me that this was the truth, but maybe this was a lie too. So that's the very first time at that age I started to read the Quran in Turkish. And then I was really kind of shocked. First of all, it's very hard to read. So it's not like the Bible, it's not a, it doesn't have stories and an order. It's kind of like little, like bits and pieces of homilies, bits and pieces of stories from Judaism. So it's very hard to read, but since it's our holy book, I read it in Turkish. I'm like, this just doesn't make sense. And then I went and read Mohammed's life from the Hadith. Because what happens is we learn about Islam from, like it's passed down from the Imam or our families or our teachers, so nobody goes to the Quran and then just reads the Quran or the Hadith for themselves unless you're trying to become like a scholar. So I read it and I realized this guy, Mohammed, is not somebody that I'd like to follow. Because first of all, I don't have the, physical properties to follow him properly because you look at his life, he just, he was lustful, he loved women, the way he treated his son-in-law and just, it was appalling the way women were treated in Islam. And then we were always taught that Muslims always waged war of defense. So they never attacked anybody, so right? We were always on the right and I'm reading this, I'm like, this just doesn't look like it. Sure, these people were just sitting there, minding their own business and when Mohammed and his armies came and conquered him. So like I see this like really violent man who is power hungry and lustful, I'm like, there is no way I want to follow this guy. So that was the crack in my wall and I kind of decided not to be a Muslim anymore. Of course, growing up as a Muslim, one of the first things you're taught is that Christians changed the Bible and declared Jesus as God, where he had claimed ever no such thing. So I don't know why I never questioned it back then, but I didn't, I thought like Judaism, Christianity, all of that was all that similar kind of nonsense, right? I just didn't know well enough. So I kind of pushed all kind of religion aside. So like by 12 or so, I am an atheist now. So I didn't quite, it was more like rejection of religion rather than really thinking and embracing atheism. So what happened is my family was the only, my parents were the only divorced parents I knew in my school. So I felt very odd and ostracized. And now as an atheist, then again, I felt like, I don't have any friends, I don't have anybody. But eventually I found a couple other friends whose, excuse me, whose parents were communists. So I kind of bonded with them. So we had this like little weird rag tag group that got drunk on Saturdays at age 12 and then played chess and read Russian classics. Like it was just like this really weird combination, just geek and drunkenness. We were just very confused. So I started to read a lot more about kind of science became my God. We were reading all the classics and trying to understand. So, but weirdly, I think I was 13 when Lord of the Rings was translated into Turkish. And we just, that was one of the things we read. So the Lord still kind of puts little bits of graces as you travel. So anyway, throughout middle school and high school, I completely lost any moral compass whatsoever I had. So I drank a lot and I'm glad that I grew up in Turkey and not in America. I think I would be a drug addict by the time I finished high school. So I drank a lot and then we read a lot. Again, played chess, had geeky conversations and all that. And I had this little rag talk group, but I was also leading a very, very simple and destructive life, even though no drugs. It was still very destructive. So all I wanted to do was to get out of this little town I lived and I did. I went to college, but in Turkey, it's very community and family oriented. So when you go to college, your parents support you throughout college. So it's like high school basically, but in a different town. But of course, my family was so broken, so messed up that I didn't have anybody. So I had to work and I was the only one that worked in my class. So I'm like, how do you find work that I come out is full time study? So one day I'm waiting at the bus stop and I'm thinking, okay, how am I gonna find the job? And I saw this little flyer on the bus stop. He says, an American lady is looking for a college student who speaks English to teach her Turkish. So my English wasn't this good, but I had started to learn when I was 12, so I spoke well enough. But I looked at the flyer, I was like, with my luck, she's already found somebody. So I went about my day and got home at night. So it's around like 10 o'clock and I'm in my pajamas and slippers sitting and I hear this voice. He says, go get the number, go get the number. Like it's 10, but it's just this nagging in my head won't stop, which I didn't know who he was back then, but we all know who he is now. So I'm like fine, so I just like shuffle to the bus stop in my slippers, write the number down. And it's like a big no-no to call anybody after nine in Turkey, but the voice won't stop. So like I called this lady and she hadn't found anybody. She's like, why don't you come and we'll have an interview. So I show up there at the following day. So she opens the door. First of all, she's not blonde, which I'm like, what kind of American is not blonde? And are you saying the Hollywood movies have been lying to me? I'm like, where is the miniskirt and the cleavage lady?  She opens and there is this, this should tell something. I changed all the names to protect their lives back there, but she's named Therese in my book. So Therese opens the door and right across, like this is the main door, there's a Bible verse cross stitched on her wall in a Muslim country. So like this lady cleared, isn't that right? And it's from the book of Acts. It says, there's no salvation under heaven, except by his name. I'm like, oh, great, she's Christian. I don't even know how I was, you know, like, okay. So we go in, we have a chat and so she hires me. And so we start talking. By this time, I want you to remember that I am 19 years old and know everything. So I'm like, I'm going to help this lady who believes in God and fair tales and such to come to the light of truth. So like, I've never been a relativist by the grace of God. And I was like, okay, you know what? So truth is like, my truth is dark, right? You know, I am very sarcastic, which changed a little bit since then. But it's dark and miserable, but it's truth, right? I mean, it doesn't matter if it's dark and miserable if it's the truth. And you know, so like, I will help you find this truth lady. So little did I know, she grew up in an atheist home, went to a really prominent college here in America. And then she converted while she was in college and she and her husband had really prosperous good lives here and she felt the call to serve as missionaries in Muslim countries. So they had just moved to Turkey not long ago when I met her. So of course, I don't know any of these. So we start studying and she doesn't even have to start talking about Christianity because I'm like, let me help you with that. So I am the one who opens the conversation and she was wonderful patient and read a lot and very knowledgeable, like exactly somebody I needed. So from the first time we met for three and a half years, Therese and I met three times a week, two and a half hours a day for three and a half years. And I don't think we've ever talked anything other than God, the Bible. I read the Bible from cover to cover in Turkish, this is one of the things, the ways they introduced like you kind of learn Turkish through reading the Bible. So of course, slowly I am being exposed to this new God in a way. And again, like yesterday I mentioned, I'm not saying we believe in completely different gods but the way Islam understand God is very, very different than God, the Father. So for three years, she and I talk and then I realize that this God she's talking about is completely different. One of the things that always bothered me as I read as this, you know, this is just geeky 80s, that how fine tuned the universe is to life on earth. Like the more you read, like it's, you know, if it was a little bit off, like the world wouldn't, the earth wouldn't exist or human life wouldn't exist. Like it was just perfectly fine tuned. And somehow all these scientists who didn't believe in God expected consistency across the universe. And I'm like, there's a void between all these galaxies, like how do we know physics or chemistry work the same? Why couldn't it be completely different? But of course, they believe it's consistent without knowing that it is created by a consistent loving being, right? So those and then in the beauty, even though I believe that the sunset, the beauty of sunset was created by, you know, the accidental sun rays and the interaction of clouds and humidity or whatever, like you're just, you can't get rid of this feeling that it's just painted by somebody almost, right? Like, you know, the beauty in the nature is just so overwhelming sometimes. But of course, like I'm pushing those aside, but as I'm talking to Therese about this God who loves truth and beauty, it's just started to slowly make sense, which I did not like. So I would just get so mad, but I wasn't a very well thought out, you know, 80s, as I said, and I'm like, look somebody probably thought about this. So I would just go home and just try to read up and find objections, but you can't find an objection to beauty or how fine-tuned the, you know, the universe is. So slowly I started to see, and she was the first pro-life woman I've met. And again, like I share about my own experiences, you know, during the dark years of high school and college, I had never met anybody pro-life because Islam isn't necessarily pro-life. Like in Turkey, abortion is allowed to a certain, I think it's still 10 weeks. They say life begins when the quickening happens. Like that's when Allah infuses the body with soul. So she was the first pro-life I met, but she also has made sense because like the more I read about, you know, anatomy and science, you realize like the heart starts beating so early, why can't he be a person? So all of these things that she talked about started to really make sense. And she was very, like it's just was almost like her belief in God was very like holistic and consistent. And I realized that God could exist, which is a big deal, right? You know, again, Curtis talked about Pascal's wager, I mean, if God exists and you don't believe in him, you're in big trouble. And if God exists, then I'm missing a really, really big truth. And if God exists, there's an eternal life and my life on this earth is like a blip, right? Like nothing else matters really if God exists.  So, but I mean, I'm not thinking that, but I'm thinking that like, okay, what I believe that's truth doesn't seem very true anymore. So, but one of the biggest differences between me and Therese was our understandings of human nature. So, okay, so in Islam, there isn't a consistent theology of human nature. Of course, like unthinkable that you're creating in God's image. There isn't a consistent theology about sin because, you know, Allah, like a thing is a sin because Allah says so. Like he can't change his mind tomorrow and who are you to say otherwise? Doesn't make sense. So, it's a completely different understanding of sin. Whereas in Christianity, I think is sin because it is not good for us. And God cannot look upon sin. It's because he's, oh, he's unable or like he's somehow limited because he's so holy and good, right? So, like it's again, completely different. So, I didn't quite understand how this worked.  That all humans are inherently good, right? So, we are all inherently good. There is crime and evil. I mean, I wouldn't call it evil. Like, you know, crime and wars on earth. So, like how does this happen if we are all inherently good? I believed that it's because of external factors. Like, there were rapists because of societies like really heavy expectations of sexuality, right? People committed murder because they were in poverty. They grew up bad, whatever, right? It was always, it was never the person's fault. It was always an external factor. And the reason I was communist, which you will, you know, I see that it's coming back. If there is no internal reason, then everything is external, then we can come up with a system that could remove all these external factors and create paradise on earth. And because once you remove all these evil external factors, then all you're left with is good, you know, benevolent human beings. So, like, as a Protestant, and she was a, she still is a five point Calvinist. She, you know, she believed in the total deprivation of human nature because of the original sin. So, it's just that didn't quite make sense to me that, like, because I still saw goodness in people, you know? So, that was one of the things. So, I could, I could never get over that. So, my struggle with Therese reached to a point, okay, even if there is a God, I don't want to believe in this God who lets all these evil things happen, which is called the problem of pain. And a lot of people get stuck in it because of that, like, improper understanding of sin and who God is. So, thankfully God is very patient with me, as you can see. So, I'm about 22 now, right? Almost 22. And so, I went to a really good college in Turkey and university in Turkey. And the education language is English. So, but everybody's Turkish, professors are Turkish. So, once in a while, they bring these professors from abroad, from America, so that we can hear, you know, proper accent. Doesn't change my accent all these years. And like, just, you know, learn it from a native speaker. So, we had a Fulbright scholar from Denver University back then. He was a Buddhist and he did not like Christians at all. So, one of the assignments he gave to us, he, it was from Dostoevsky, from a book called Brothers Karamazov. I don't know if you're familiar with it. But there's a, I mean, it's a really big book. Great book if you can read all of it. But if you can't, find this chapter because it kind of stands on its own. Okay, so there are four brothers. It's, this conversation is taking place between Ivan, who is the oldest brother and who is very hardcore communist. And Alyosha, who is the youngest brother, who is a novice monk. So, Ivan is trying to come with, to percieve Alyosha that this God stuff he believes is ridiculous. So, this is the parable he tells him. So, this is happening in, it's very anti-Catholic. So, excuse the, you know, Dostoevsky was an Orthodox but nobody is perfect and will let him go for that. So, this is taking place during the Spanish Inquisition. So, Jesus comes back to earth. It's not the second coming. He's just kind of checking out how things are going. And people recognize him for who he is. So, he goes and heals a blind man or raises a little girl from the dead. But, I mean, he doesn't talk because he said everything he did, right? So, and he's gathering followers around him. And then at his cardinal, the Grand Inquisitor passing by with his guards. And he realizes how people are kneeling and worshiping him. And he tells his guards to go and arrest Jesus. And nobody, all these people like don't say anything even though they saw his miracles. So, he puts Jesus in a dungeon and at night he goes. And he's really upset that he is there. He says, why did you come back? We've been trying to clean up your mess this whole time. And he said, you know, when Satan tempted you in the desert, you should have accepted his offer. He said, he asked you to turn the rocks, you know, he fasted and then went to the desert. And he said, he asked you to turn these rocks into bread. And you said, no.  And our Lord responds that man shall not live by bread alone, but every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. And he said, no, what you should have done, you should have started turning rocks into food and starvation in the world. Give these clueless people the security they so desire.   And our Lord said, you shall not tempt the Lord, your God. No, no, no, what you should have done is just show these amazing signs and miracles instead of shrouding yourself in subtlety and mystery and give them freedom to like chase you, right? And he said, when Satan asked you to worship him, you should have worshiped him and claimed the power he offered you and created a universal state and bring order to this created world. Because this is all these people, your people crave. They crave security and order. All you wanted to give them was freedom. So I'm reading this chapter. Oh, hang on. And so Jesus gets out and Cardinal opens the door of the dungeon as if Jesus needs him to open the door, right?  So Jesus gets up, kisses Cardinal on the cheek and he leaves. And so Ivan ends up telling this parable and turns around and Alyosha gets up and kisses his brother on the cheek and he leaves. So I mean, it's beautiful. It's beautiful. So it's the middle of the night. It was like this old English translation from Russian, right? And I drank too much coffee. I had a big dictionary. So I'm like, sleepless, but I'm thinking in the middle of the night, for the first time, I saw what sin is, right? Because up until now I'm thinking, like I'm blaming all everybody else. Like everybody's a victim, right?  And I felt like when I read the Grand Inquisitor, it just showed me a mirror into my own soul. And I saw how my own sins, the stuff I did affected so many people, right? No man is an island. And the sins of my father completely changed my life. And I hurt so many people myself because of, it's just, there is this rippling effect of sin. And I realized there's poverty in the world because we sin, because some people take more than others, right? We are not willing to share. There are rapists because they're broken on the inside.  So I understood that it wasn't God who was evil, it was me. And that was the last intellectual stop for me as far as. So of course, like most of the stuff is solved here, but it's a long run, they say, between the head and the heart. So that summer, Therese came back to America for like a sabbatical because, you know, missionaries need breaks from these crazy Turks. And I'm like, oh no, now I don't have money. What happens then? The Lord is like, fine. So he gives me another family, but this time, I am teaching two little kids. I think they were three and six. And now, when I'm teaching this, I'm really running out of time. I do talk to, I got kicked out of the chapel yesterday if you were there. There is, it was not pretty. So I started to teach these two kids and they are also missionaries in Turkey, but this is really the first time I was really immersed in the life of a Christian family, which is something I had never witnessed and it's something I have never seen. And this is one of the biggest witnesses as Christians, the faithfulness of Catholics and the joy and love in our life. Like there is no, nothing else, no argument, no discussion can replace this. This is amazing. It's such a silent and beautiful witness. So I go to this house and the kids aren't afraid of their parents. I'm like, I lied a lot to get out of trouble when I was a little kid.  And these kids just love their parents and they, you know, they didn't lie. And the parents like discipline so lovingly, so caringly and the husband served the wife, the wife served the husband. I mean, it's just like beautiful harmony. I'm thinking, are they faking this? I'm like, I'm thinking I leave and it's like, you know, regular crazy Turkish family, right? And I'm like, what is this? So, but I don't want to leave the house. Like, I mean, a few times actually she had to tell me to leave because it's midnight. I'm not kidding because I'm like, I wanna be in this. Like, I want to be part of this, right? So now I am realizing that this, everything I've been reading and learning for years goes into this, turns into this.  That's why we owe everybody we know to tell them the Christ, like we have to share it so their lives can be transformed, right? So it was such a, like this love and joy in their life was palpable. And I had never seen anything like this and I didn't want to leave that and I wanted it. I wanted it. So like, that was the big road. But now I'm thinking, okay, so I go to, so this is my junior year in college now. I'm about to graduate, get a really good job in the government, finally have money because I've always been poor. Like, I can't do that. You know, I'm, I have an 80s boyfriend so that's gonna be a great conversation if I became a Christian. My friends and I, like everybody I know is 80s then you know, we just smart people and we sit around at the bar, make fun of people who believe in God.  So like, I couldn't give up all these earthly stuff, right? So unlike for weeks, I'm like, okay, okay, how am I gonna do this? I'm like, I don't wanna do it. I can't, so I'm like at this crossroads and I couldn't cross that final, like just like standing there kind of paralyzed. Thankfully the Lord is patient again. One day I'm more, one morning I'm going to, I'm going to my class and I'm very awake. Again, I'm still kind of, you know, basically 80s. So I don't believe in dreams and all that stuff. But I'm awake, so because the Lord knows and I had this vision and it was very quick.  While she's playing, there are two hands coming down from the sky like this and these hands are so big, like the owner of these hands are so big, you can only see the hands. And they're like trying to give this present to this little girl. And this present you realize it's not like, like an earthly present, right? It's like glowing and you realize that it's bigger than something this girl could ever, ever imagine, right? It's just, it's just this amazing gift. And she doesn't even see that this gift is being handed to her, right? So she's still playing. And finally she looks up and sees the gift and she says, oh, no, thank you. I have these little things to play.   And then I realized, I'm like, oh, that's me. I'm like, yeah, the Lord wasn't being subtle that day. I think he had like, okay, we're done with this, you know? So the following day I go to this wonderful family and she was doing the dishes, the wife was doing the dishes. And I told her, I think it's time, I think this is a good day to become a Christian. And they're evangelical Christians. You should drop the place and we prayed the prayer and we cried and all that stuff. And that was my conversion in this, you know, in this like three, it's like the Lord pursued me for all these years.   But no, you know, I started meeting other converts from Islam and Bible study and all that. But as I'm reading this, like there are a few things that didn't quite make sense about what the Protestants believe. So I talk about this in depth and I'm sure you've heard all this stuff. So I'm not going to, but there were four things that really confused me. So Sola Scriptura, right? Bible alone. Like, I don't understand. Like he just left and he said, hang in there, I'll send a book in a few hundred years.  Like, I mean, because like Quran is kind of, is believed that St. Gabriel dictated to Muhammad, which is crazy enough. But I'm thinking this just, I don't understand where this came. So I'm like, I pushed it aside. Sola Fide, faith only didn't make sense. Like as soon as we said the prayer, we didn't have free will anymore, right? So that didn't make sense. I'm like, I'm reading and trying to make sense. It's not working. And lack of a magisterium was a big deal for me because I'm reading the Bible, Jesus leaves, and guess what? St. Paul and St. Peter are already fighting. I'm like, the man just left. Can you may have peace? You know, just a little bit. Just for one year. And I'm like, how could a God who loved us so much so that he became one of us, would just leave us without anything? Like, I mean, he knows us so well. It just didn't make sense as he wouldn't leave us with somebody in charge because he knows us so well, right? So, and I met all these Protestants and they disagree on everything, right? Like, I mean, are we reading the same book? Why are we all disagreeing on these like really important stuff? Like, it's not, you know, minute details. Like, Protestants read the same Bible. They disagree on abortion or salvation issues. Like, these are really important stuff, you know? So that didn't make sense. And the fourth one was like, I was, you know, long time 80s, so I really believed in evolution. And all the Protestants I knew were creationists. And I'm like, are you saying he couldn't have used evolution, right? That like didn't make sense again. That wasn't as big of a deal, but it just didn't quite fit what they were saying. So, but I'm like, I'm just gonna push all this stuff aside. Clearly, you know, I don't know enough. So I started to, you know, read more, you know, started to serve in the church. And one of the ministries I helped with, and me and a few other friends of mine, we ran this camp for Turkish Christian teenagers. So it was the only camp of its kind in the country. And we had it like behind the walls of Ephesus. It was just beautiful, beautiful. And one of the people I met there was a missionary kid who grew up, who is an American, but grew up in Turkey. His parents were missionary. And he went to college here at Notre Dame.  So we worked a lot. And we became good friends over the years. So when he finished Notre Dame, he came back to Istanbul to work there as a journalist. And I was in Ankara and I was getting my masters because remember, now I'm as a Christian, I could never get a government job in Turkey. But I figured, you know, if I go get my PhD, I can work at a private college.  So I'm trying to, you kind of learn to function within the system, right? So, and I have a very agnostic roommate.  Again, I changed his name here in the Bible because he's a priest now and he serves in Muslim countries. In my book, not the Bible though. So I go to Istanbul and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna meet with Anthony. And he, and I'm gonna bring my roommate who's with whom I've been sharing the faith. And between Anthony and I, we'll get her, right? So I gotta go there, so we're having lunch.  I'm like, what could it be, right? Like, what could it be? And he's like, I become Catholic. And I'm like, no, you didn't. How could you?   And there's one virtuous Turkish hero and eventually the lewd Christian lady falls in love with him and becomes Muslim and they live happily ever after while all the evil Catholic soldiers are dead, right?  Like you just don't like Catholics and the Ottoman Empire sided with the Protestant princes during the reformations, you know?  I don't even know who that is, but I know it's the Catholic Church. And the Pope is the Antichrist, you know? Like I have all this stuff, but I know nothing about Catholicism.  He's such a gentle, wonderful patient soul, unlike myself. And of course my roommate is thinking, oh look, the Christians are fighting again. I should have brought popcorn, you know? So needless to say, my friend stays and you know, agnostic to this day.  So I'm like, I think I'm around 25 now. Clearly, I didn't know everything by 19, but surely by 25, I know everything. So I go to the library.  So I go back to the library and I'm looking through like books on Catholic theology. So there is one book in the whole library, which is a really good library, Turkey Standards. It's written by this guy called Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger. It's called like introduction to Catholic theology. It's like this book is published by Ignatius Press, right? I don't think Ignatius Press pays me enough for all this stuff.   So I open it. I don't even understand the introduction of this introduction book, right?  I mean, I didn't know he was the Pope. Like I'm just like that clueless. So I go back to my room, there's a package waiting for me and it's from Anthony, he sent me a book and he said, so that you know that I'm not completely insane. So it's like this tiny volume called By What Authority written by a former evangelical who became Catholic and he looks at all the main teachings of the Catholic Church and gets what ties them to the scriptures as if Catholics have anything to do with the Bible.  And guess what? You remember all that stuff? So a scripture, a solitude, a magisterium. Guess what? The Catholic Church has an answer for it, right?  I was like, oh no. So this, Ankara is like a city of five million. There are two Catholic churches. One is on Vatican embassy, masses in English and one is on the grounds of a French embassy and they have mass in Turkish. But it's Turkey, so you can't just walk into the Catholic church, you know, it's not open. So I go find a building, but it's like, like there are like cast iron doors and all that stuff, everything is locked. So I start calling them. And this lady answers Turkish. It's like, no, the priests can't talk to you. The priests can't talk to you. So I call, call and every day I'm completely frantic. Like, no, what am I gonna do, you know?  I just wanna make sure, you know? It's just, you know, eating the humble bye is never easy.  And finally, priest said, this like, this guy picks up with this really, really bad Turkish. And it's like, why do you keep harassing my people? And I'm like, can you just meet me? I don't know what's gonna happen. I've just read all this Catholic stuff. He's like, fine. Because they're, you know, they're afraid that I'm this government agents trying to entrap them into, you know, cause they would get in a lot of trouble if they evangelize. So it's the Jesuits running this, you know, Curtis was mentioning, it's the Jesuit church. So I go, you know, somebody opens the iron gates and somebody opens the indoors and we just go and this like, I think like 65, 70 year old, old Jesuit priest, he served in Chad for 35 years and they sent him to Turkey three months ago and he's French. So back then I spoke French. So between French, English and Turkish, like it makes like one kind of understandable language. He realizes that I am not a government agent. And then I'm just like crying and falling apart. He said, okay, you start coming to mass and they don't have our CIA. So like they had a, they studied the gospel of Matthew. So I joined that. And then I realized that, you know, after all Anthony was right. So I told him, I told him, of course he rejoiced. He's not gonna say, oh, I told you so, you know, then he's been a wonderful, wonderful friend to me and my family since then. And then right before I got confirmed there in Ankara, I moved to England for my PhD and the priest, the wonderful Jesuit priest asked me to go and be, you know, be confirmed there and become, you know, they kind of adopt that parish as my family. So I moved to England and in the 2000, Easter of 2008, I was confirmed and received the Eucharist for the first time. So when I was on journey home a few years ago and they asked me like, what do you want your byline to be? Like former, he's not former Muslim, former atheists. I'm like, just put them all, I've been wrong many, many times, right? But by the grace of God, I got there.  And I am so joyful. I'm so joyful after all this year for his patience and for everything he has given to us. And I am so very grateful. I implore you to always remember the joy of your salvation. Thank you.


Oh Whoa What's up everyone? Welcome back to realistic gaming usually I got Thomas videos and I actually do today But he's actually grimace videos, but our boy chug a white tea one of the best youtubers out there We love chug a chug. What's up, bro? He made a video called Thomas and secret grimace shake There's literally two of the topics on our channel that are blowing up. So let's watch this first Let's go chug a white tea. What you talking about, bro? By the way as we're watching this, please go like subscribe and comment and hit the notification bell, please Appreciate it and go follow me here All right, let's see. Oh Okay, Thomas pulling up to the drive-thru, but this is more like a train through, you know Okay, oh, okay grimace I see you Thomas Oh That should do we hitting it be hitting like that Thomas could have handled it man. Oh, so are those his hands? Okay, I see you chug a my boy chug a with the Thomas video, okay next video We got is this short and it's by max Goodrich and it's called grimace horror film As you guys can see look at that picture right there. It already looks scary. So let's check it out All right, let's see. Let's check it out. No, those videos are crazy. No shot Dude, they're gonna get rid of this drink next week. Just try it. Oh, did they get rid of the tree great? I prefer that grimace. Oh No Dude that's exactly what happened to us When I drank it, that's how I felt I felt like I went to another dimension Let's subscribe. We haven't subscribed yet. Hey, that's a dope video. Good job. Max. Good rich Okay, next video is Rick Astley tries the grimace shake. All right, let's see. All right, let's check this out This is from just a happy troll Okay, it's just Rick just you know going through the channels real quick So this June we're all invited to the party with a special shake to celebrate get grimace's birthday shake When you order his birthday meal only at McDonald's. Oh, Rick is down for it. That's how I was. That's how the commercial I was like Hello, welcome to McDonald's. What would you like to order? Oh, sorry, but it's sold out Don't worry, you can always find it other McDonald's restaurant Hello Rick, so I assume you wanted the grimace shake Because 99% of the customer ordered that drinks since its launch Here's your grimace shake I prepared it in advance, so I don't have to rush 3.39 dollars. I had a feeling you'd say that Now pay me 3.39 dollars don't ruin our friendship That's a different story There's no music. I mean, okay Honestly, I would have been drinking it on the way home not in the car. I mean Well, there you go another interesting video I found on YouTube All right next video is grimace sets the record straight Okay, honestly, I was waiting for grimace to get interviewed about this cuz he has to own up to it He's heard a lot of Come to my birthday party with a birthday gift.  It's my mother Birthday gift on my birthday to my birthday party on my birthday with a birthday gift Why grimace got cheeks like that though me and candy were real close until she decided to pull that snake birthday thing She did that is the most Inconsiderate thing you could do to a person on that birthday. I wasn't feeling that That was pretty crazy. Honestly, like who gets birthday gifts under birthday. That's just weird All right next video is by Billy Cobb and it's called happy birthday grimace. Let's check this one out Wait, so this is after somebody drank it or they put the other McDonald's older into play pens, okay Oh grimace is just chilling in there. How do you even fit? How do you end up here? Is this part of the tunnels the play tunnels? Oh, you better keep going They haven't cleaned these tunnels in a long time. Where's he walking to? You should just go back to where you came from Oh Some people I don't know they like to be in scary situation not me. I would have been gone Imagine your death is just like drowning in grimace shake Shake All right, last video we're gonna watch is from Paul will slap you and it's just called grimace shake Okay, the Krusty Krab is crazy Krusty Krab.  Thank you very much. See you later


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