Well, here's the bad news. Most of us give ourselves jet lag every single Monday. How's this happen? Well, we go to bed at the same time, Monday through Thursday, then we decide to go to bed three hours later on Friday, thinking we're going to make up for it on Saturday, do the same thing on Saturday. Monday night comes, then we try to wake up Monday at our normal time, and we can't figure out why we're exhausted. It's because you gave yourself jet lag. How do you solve that? Go to bed and wake up at the same time every single day and watch your health improve. Have you seen that was an airplane that even knew it? Jet lag without the travel. Whoa. That sucks, right?  Obviously there's a percentage of that, of people that hate their jobs, right? I don't know what the statistics are. Sure. Maybe Doug could look that up for what the statistics are around how many people actually like their job. But I imagine there's a small percentage that already, yeah. And I would imagine they go the hardest on the weekend, right? Yeah. The ones that are most miserable in their day-to-day job throughout the week. They just live for that weekend moment where they can just like kind of let their hair down and go crazy. Well, look, think about this way. When there's a, when they do the time change, right? When they do what daylight savings time for, I think most states do that, but I think they're changing it soon. Everybody complains when the time change makes you wake up an hour earlier. We notice an hour earlier. Well, most people on average will go to bed two or three hours later on Friday night and Saturday night. So it's like traveling somewhere where there's a three hour difference. Then you come back and you got to go to work the next day. You literally are giving yourself jet lag. Finally a government policy agreement. Yeah. That is much higher than I would have guessed. Would you guys have guessed that? What? Yeah. When they say like is that they tolerate it. I think actually 20% are passionate about it. You know what? Those are the people I'm more interested in. Maybe because they're all remote now. It is. Yeah. I mean, that's it. That's it. So, I mean, so 20% that makes sense. You know what I'm going to say about that though is that there was this, I was actually, I watched a whole video on this and there was this cultural shift where work used to be a place where you went so you could earn a living so that you could do the things that were meaningful like be with your family, raise your kids, belong, you know, as part of your community. And then there was this like message that was told to us that your work is supposed to be your meaning. It's supposed to be your purpose. And people kind of forgot the other stuff. And so I think there's that perception as well. It's like, well, I'm supposed to like love work so much that that's all I want to do when the reality is very few people like that. Like most people you go to work and yeah, you like it. You don't hate it. You don't think you should work in a place you hate. But most people are going to go to work and have this like deep passion. Wasn't that one of the big movements with, I guess, general, I can't speak right now, general, general. Generational. Generational. Yes. You got it. Why is that so hard to say? Millennials being that they want to change the world. They want to like do something that has so much purpose attached to it. They'll pass up on a lot of these jobs that are just jobs to make money to get you at a stepping stone to get to the next level. But yeah, that seems to be like a trend. Yeah. Now, back to your fitness tip. Complete transparency. I'm guilty of jet lagging myself on Mondays for a very long time. You know, one of the things that helped me get out of that, I've shared this tip before about winning the weekends. Like that was a major shift for me to like, and it was like a psychological game that I would play. And I talked about that. I've talked about this around exercise and nutrition on how I used to like give myself the flexibility and freedom to eat kind of the way I wanted to or missed days of working out if it was Monday through Friday, but I needed to win Saturday and Sunday. And the idea of like, you know, holding myself accountable for two days out of the week is not hard. I don't think at all. And so instead of saying that I can't do this, I can't do that. It's like, okay, I'm going to win Saturday and Sunday. And then what I found was it set the tone for the week. Well, I've talked about that around nutrition and exercise. But one of the things that it was a side effect was how much it improved the sleep side. Cause if I got up and started my day right with my nutrition, I made sure I exercised that day. I also tend to stick with my routine of like going to bed at a normal hour.  There's this belief that you can make up for lost sleep by sleeping in. And that's true to a small extent, but it's not fully true.  And I do get the occasional value of staying up late. You're hanging out with your partner. You're going out with friends. You haven't met in a while or whatever. But a lot of times if people honest with themselves, okay, it's not that a lot of the times it's literally just watching TV late or I'm just going to sleep in tomorrow because I don't have to get up. So therefore I'm not going to go to bed. So it's not really worth it. It's not really worth the consistent jet lag that we're giving ourselves. And you look at its effects on our health, on our performance, on our productivity. So it's literally as easy as just go to bed and wake up at the same time every single day for the most part and then notice a big difference. It really makes a huge difference.  Even if you try to make up for it the next day, it doesn't really make that big of a, it makes a little difference but not much. We had the opportunity to hang out with Kelly Starrett and his wife today. It had a great conversation. That interview will probably drop later on. But a big meat of that conversation was around sleep and sleep quality. And at one point I asked them some of the hacks and things that they use and what it was neat to see one of the most common things. I mean there was several things that we all agreed on and talked about. But they were huge fans of the sleep me. The sleep me. Oolor system. The doc pro and stuff like that. And I was like, oh my god, I swear that like completely changed the quality of sleep. Because that matters too, right? Like it's one thing to get in bed and then get that, you know, eight hours of sleep but then also how good of sleep are you getting in those eight hours? How much REM sleep are you getting? Right. And I feel like I've never got as deep of sleep as I do now that I've used that. And it's not a cheap investment but I'll say it's been one of the best investments that I've personally ever made to help contribute to me having better sleep. Well in my opinion it's an easy investment because it's simple. You get it, you put it on your bed, you're done. And regardless of how much sleep you get or what time you go to bed or any of that stuff whatever you normally do will get better. So it's like an easy thing to do. Whereas some things require lots of behavioral changes and changes to your lifestyle and discipline. That's just here. Put it on your bed, do what you're normally doing. Sleep is better because the temperature is going to be optimized. And by the way this is backed up by data, it's very clear that if you sleep at an optimal temperature for your body that you do get more of that deep sleep. You get more of that rejuvenating sleep. So five hours feels more like six and a half hours because it's more of that recuperative type of sleep. What are their hacks or things have you guys put in place to optimize your sleep routine? Not eating two hours before bed is a big one. And darkness is another one. Big time, yeah. I know Katrina's like that too. Religious about making sure everything's going to light. I do that. I do a check and I'll go around the room and make sure every little outlet or anything that has a blinking little tiny red light or the TV, cover it, tape it. I've just started doing that because it's just...  And then I did the eye mask. Mask and had my princess mask and then I had all of that. And I'm just like, this is too much stuff.  I got to calm down a little bit. So I just want to at least manage the environment so it's just dark. I wear an eye mask. Oh, you do? I do.  What? Yeah, it's the best eye mask thing you could find on Amazon I ordered for her.   No way.  I'm going to do that. That was her debate. So I like going... So somebody innovated. There's a need here. Of course. I knew that when she said that I'm like, okay, she's not the first girl to have fake eyelashes and want an eye mask, right? So of course they make them and they've got these really nice ones. And so she's like, sometimes she'll use it, sometimes she won't. I try and get her to use it more and she's like you where the slightest bit of light is in there. I don't mind moonlight. Moonlight doesn't bother me. Street lights. If there's like a street light or something that we're shooting through. But the natural kind of moonlight to me, I have no problem falling asleep to that. But obviously a bright light in my room or... The blinking lights on electronics are the worst. Oh yeah. They're the worst, dude. I use... No, the sleep mask I use, I don't even use a special one. I just grabbed Jessica's. You don't have fake eyelashes. It's like this light blue, like fluffy, whatever it is. I swear, I don't care. Bro, I'm going to sleep. I don't care. I just put it on, like whatever. And I think about it, I'm like, man, if... So it's juicy.   Oh, it's going on over here. Get the ones like... Have you seen the ones where they have like... His eyes all wide open on him, so it looks like you have eyes on him. You know, I'd be gonna have to invest in one. I think about it. I should probably buy one that's like better. I gotta get like a metal one or something. You know, I think one of the biggest things that's helped Katrina and I too, and this takes a team effort because we're not super consistent, but I always notice a big difference. When we just agree to heading up to the bedroom at a very reasonable time and not bringing the electronics in the bed. Like so we'll go like, hey, let's get up to the bed at 8 o'clock. 8 o'clock is really early for me, like for someone who falls asleep normally at 10, 30, 11. To go up to the bedroom at 8 is really... But what ends up happening is, you know, we go in there and if we don't do that, we talk for about 15, 20... Do we naturally get sleepy? Yeah, and then we get, you know, they calm down and then before you know it, we're asleep by like 9 30 and I get the most amazing sleep if I can discipline myself to do that. Yeah. What's up, everybody? Here's what I'm gonna give away for today's episode. Maps, 15 minutes. This is a 15-minute everyday workout. It's actually quite effective. Here's how you can win this program. Leave a comment below this video in the first 24 hours that we post this episode here on YouTube. Also, subscribe to this channel. Turn on your notifications. If you do all those things and if you win, we'll let you know in the comment section and then, boom, free access to Maps 15 Minutes. Also, we've put together a time crunch bundle of workout programs great for those of you that are limited with time but still want great results and then we discounted it tremendously. Here's what's included in the time crunch bundle. Maps 15 minutes, maps anywhere, maps prime, and then the e-book, Eat for Performance. The total for this bundle is $99.99. This saves you over $200. If you're interested, here's what you do. Click on the link at the top of the description below. All right? Here comes the show. Hey, did you guys watch Chris Rock's new special on Netflix? It was whack, dude. Sucked off. I made a comment. It was going to be like his old stuff, you know. It was bigger and blacker. It was one of his main specials. I love that. It was so hilarious. I don't know, man. It just fell flat for me. He hasn't innovated as the thing. I think comedy's kind of advanced. Good comedians, the ones that are great right now, they take you on a ride.  Yeah, and he didn't do that very well. I was really disappointed. Yeah, but that's never been... You brought that point up and I don't disagree. But that's never been his humor. He's not a Dave Chappelle, a Bill Burr. That's what I mean, though. He's his charisma and he's playing out really obvious things. Yes. But he hasn't advanced. You know what I mean? He hasn't progressed. He's not necessarily advancing. You're pointing out stylistically something different. There's comedians that have this humor of irony, right? So I would say he's more like ironic, like these funny, ironic things that he comments on or stereotypes, like he does stuff like that really well. You have your Bill Burrs and your... Dave Chappelle. Dave Chappelle's that are always on current climate of society and that are areas where maybe we're divided and argue and they take you through this beautiful... They take you through a ride. Yeah, I mean, you're talking about the goat. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Louis C.K. He can say like the most horrible thing and make it funny. Yeah, or you have like Nate Bargazzi, who is clean. He's clean, but he's absolutely hilarious. The win is, yeah. And brilliant. So I have a theory, Justin. I'd love to hear your opinion on this of how comedians go... Because he's like a comedy guru. Just a superstar. Yeah, so there's like this...   Like Eddie Murphy was an incredible stand-up.  Now he's not funny. He's not funny anymore.  They start to lose their edge and they lose their relatability. I think it's more like it's a sort of success trap, right? Like you're getting like a little bit too successful. You kind of lose touch with like kind of like the audience base that you've built like going into it. So one example of that was Kevin Hart. Yeah. One of his like specials. I love Kevin Hart. I think he's hilarious. But one of his recent specials, he was talking just about like the size of his house and how far along it took for him to get to the front of the house. And like all these statues and obstacles and things he had to get through to get to his house and trying to like portray it like it's this big struggle. And it's like, dude, like what are we talking about here? You know, it just wasn't like, I think it's just you kind of lose a sense of reality when like your reality is there. I think what you're talking about, even though you didn't ask my opinion, I think what you're talking about is the Bill Cosby, Eddie Murphy, what's his face from Full House? That effect, which is, they go from, no, no, no, no. Thank you, Bob Saget. Bob Saget, when he went to Funniest Home Videos, what happens is they have this stand up when they're up and coming and they're completely unhinged. They're just off the rails, say everything that's on their mind, they touch all the third rails, they have edge to them. And then they get big and they get picked up by either a national show like Funniest Home Videos or they do things like Nutty Professor and they do family funny stuff or they do cartoon voices like Bill Cosby. But Saget's a bad example, because that was one of the dirtiest comics. Bro, you hear him afterwards? Oh my God, bro. He'd joke about the Olsen twins. I don't think he was ever as good though. He was still better earlier days than he was later on.  And I think that's what happens. I think your audience broadens and now you, and then maybe at one point some of these guys, they have a bigger PG, PG-13 audience than they have an R audience. And so they have this weird dichotomy they're stuck in where it's like Eddie Murphy, for example. When he did Raw on Delirious, that was on the up. Like that was him upcoming. Like he wasn't huge yet, it was him becoming huge. Then he goes out and he does the Nutty Professor and all those with the, all the other like doctor do little or whatever, all these kind of like PG type. Family stuff. Family stuff. And he got even bigger. So how much bigger did he get? Did he double or triple his audience? And as the new audience, are they PG, PG-13?  I don't know. I think comedy evolves. Like if you watch Top Comedians from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, you keep going through the decades, you see the evolution of comedy. And watching old comics can sometimes be like, oh, I thought you think that was really funny. Like watch, watch old Eddie Murphy now. It's not as funny as it was when you watched it back then. It's still pretty, delirious and raw, still fucking. Watch it now. I watched it recently and I'm like, it's not as funny as it was when I first watched it. Well, I think you're into some maybe different stuff right now.  It's relevant. Yeah, it's relevant. It's culture. He's making fun of Mike Tyson in there. He's making fun of Rocky.  Those are old, those are all old jokes now. So it's like, of course, it's not as funny. That's true.  You look back at some of his old stuff. He was pathetic though. I mean, back to Chris Rock, I think like, what I was like still sticking around for, I had to actually like fast forward to the end because I wanted to hear his take on the Will Smith slap.  You know, like, like, what did he set up for this? And it just sucked because it was like one of, one of the jokes that he was trying to lead up towards, like he biffed, like he put the wrong movie reference in front of the other. He gave away the punchline. I was like, oh, no. And I guess that's got to be like part of the struggle of doing a live performance and not, because normally they'll do like three different shows and they'll kind of piece it together. Did you see that? That was his life. That was the first live Netflix stream. Yeah. Did you guys know that? Was that what it was? That was the first time it's ever been done. So it wasn't like they recorded a bunch, picked the best one? No. It was just like, oh. That was a, they live streamed that Netflix. That was, you know, it'd be interesting. Maybe you can look up Doug to see like the statistics if that did well for Netflix and like what the strategy was. I bet you it did because everybody wanted to hear what you had to say. Yeah. I mean, 100%, that was the move, right? I mean, even him strategically putting it at the end of his show. Of course. Like half the people sat around just so they could hear that part. That's where you want to get to. Of course. I, you know, I saw Patrick Bette David did a, posted on Valuetainment page his saying, oh Chris Rock attacks woke culture. And I was like, did he? I didn't feel like he did. A little bit. Oh my God. You talked about mainly like corporations. He nudged it. He did hammer it. No. No.  It says, we don't support racism, sexism and this and that.  Yeah.  Poor people. That was one bit that was kind of funny. Yeah. That was pretty good. He bit off of, what's his name? Schultz. Is that his last name? He did his abortion bit was totally he bit off of. Really? 100%. That has to be probably one of the, well, a lot of people were, you know, kind of like in the ethos. But that exact joke though. Yeah.  Like that was Schultz said that. He delivered it like that too? He did almost the same. Wow. Almost the same. I mean, that has to be like one of the biggest pet peeves of your comedian.  You know who did that a lot? They got a part, Carlos Mencia. So remember that? Rogan called him out. Yeah. He hasn't, I think Rogan has done that before where he's called out people that have done that, but isn't that kind of like a common practice sometimes on some people that, oh, you know, who else was known for doing that? Was what's his fate? Did the white? No, no, no. No, I know what you're talking about.  He just came back. Yes. What is it? What is his name right now? Come on, help me out. It's kind of goofy. Bro, he was huge. He was like selling out arenas. He exploded and then disappeared. And he, and he sued his, he sued his brother. There you go. There you go. There you go. Thank you. Jesus. You're going to get that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.   You hear all these other people coming up and you hear a good joke, but you see somebody that doesn't deliver it as well. Not really selling it. Not selling it really well. I mean, is it, is it a bad thing to not go, oh man, I could do that so much better. And then to build, blend it in.  Cause you did that because it's somebody else's joke or you did it better than they did. It's not just common practice in, in comedy. In music, it's in like, I mean, this is just something that's just like, people have always done that, right? Like it, I don't know it. I guess it's, it's, it's an integrity thing for the individual, but like sometimes you'd never know, right? Especially if that person's not going to be as famous, you know, eventually you, a lot of times you'd never know that it was there. Well, so okay. Here's challenge, challenge you guys a little bit then. Okay. And you see your own self-awareness here. Okay. How different is what we do than that? We take all this information and knowledge that we've learned over, you know, two decades of reading and learning. And I mean, some ideas are original, like some things that we came to the conclusion through our own practices.  I can communicate that better. No, I think that's different. If someone else told a story and then I borrowed the story, that would be the same thing. That would be the same thing. Yeah. Like, oh, here's what happened to me. It's the exact same story someone else said. Okay. But if you're conveying information and I'm conveying the same information that you read, I just do a better job of communicating it. Well, that's, that's your job as a trainer, as a coach. Your job is not to research and figure it out. That's the research. So I guess that's, so the, where's the, where's the line, right? So is the line in stealing another comedian's joke and are you literally verbatim or do you take the general concept, I think of the joke and then you make it your own. I think that's the move, right? Is, is there's something there in that thread and like, can I come to that same kind of thought but like present it a little bit differently and it's original, you know, at that point. I mean, yes, it's like you're inspired and really that's about being inspired like for the most part. And again, I don't know, I guess I just compare it to music because it's like you'll hear songs and it'll just like sort of imprint itself in your head and you'll realize it's still there and it'll come out. And it's like, is that really an original thought? I don't think so. I don't think a lot of thoughts are original. Yeah. And there's innovation, right? Like, like grunge music was borrowed off of what? Like punk and metal, but they blended it in a way that it was innovative, you know, speaking of innovation, by the way, have you guys seen this new clothing that is being designed to thwart? Yes. Facial recognition technology. Have you seen this? No. They are designing like sweaters, sweaters and these like face masks that you could see through, but if a camera zooms in on you, it scrambles and messes up. Take that big brother.  Well, you know, that's why, have you seen that there's like Chinese citizens in America who wear masks and they'll interview them and say, why are you wearing a mask? And I say, because we don't want our faces to get recognized. Now, just in their family gets in trouble. Is that the origin? Maybe Andrew, you know this because I got these two knuckleheads won't know this. Wow. He's a computer friend. Well, okay, so I'll ask you, let's see if you guys say, do you think that's the origin of why Kanye West started wearing the ski mask that is covers everything? I thought that was such a weird trend. And that's become a trend now, by the way. Like NBA basketball players are now doing that. Like you've got eight. Well, does it hold up in court? Right? Like if you can't really like specifically pinpoint that's him, even though it's his voice, like he's Kanye West dude. He's on a show. Here's Kanye West. We're going to wear a mask. No, no, no. I mean, he wears that out in public all the time. So what I'm asking, if you guys know, and maybe Andrew can be searching this right now, is the origin of why he started to do that for the guy travels all over the country all the time, goes in China, does stuff with that. Maybe he just doesn't want to get recognized by paparazzi. Same, same difference though. Same difference though, right? I know celebrities have been doing that for a long time, right? Where they wear disguises and, you know. You're the only celebrity that does that. You gotta give yourself away. Hey, I got a ski mask here. That must be Kanye.  I'm looking at this. I wonder who that is. I'm looking at this site and there's these. You got it, Andrew? Yeah, so he's always been partnered with Balenciaga on the mask. And he says in 2012, he originally started wearing it so people wouldn't recognize him. Oh, so that's what it was. Yeah. So it's a Balenciaga is the one that made that? Oh, I didn't know that. Wasn't that the place? Yeah, that is a weird kid. Yeah, but he broke off from them. You know that, right? Yeah. So I'm looking at this right now and they do have these very interesting clear looking masks that makes you unrecognizable by facial recognition. Yeah, but don't you? That's stupid, I think. It's literally, but the garments, like the sweaters that just have like designs. That's cool too. That's cool to me. Yeah. Because it scrambles the face recognition. Recognition. Recognition, thank you. I got you guys. I know, right? I caught Justin. I gave you the bug, dude. But I think this is generational. You know, I think it's cool about this is that this is an example of market response to the things that people don't like. So a lot of people are like, hey, I don't want facial recognition technology to pick me up when I'm walking down the street or whatever. I don't want to, you know, I want to remain somewhat anonymous for whatever reason. So the market comes up with solutions like this. Is this going to work for 15 minute cities? I don't know. Explain the 15 minute cities that they're trying to do. So if I, if I read it correctly. I need to read more, but yeah. So isn't it like they're, they're trying to basically put some sort of attacks on how far you travel and what time you can travel. It's just, it's like a control feature of like, and it, I think they wrap it under the guys of time to change. Yeah. Like less carbon footprint when you have like certain people traveling and it's like, you sort of acknowledge that there's, there's windows of, so we can put less footprint out. I have no idea how they're packaging and marketing this, but to me, it just all sounds like control. Did you know about this, Doug? I've heard about it, but I don't know the details. If they could find a way to control people and for people to welcome the control under the guys of it's makes us safer, they will. This has always been this way. So if they can sell you that this saves us, this makes us safer, this is good for us. We just need to go through your email. We just need to read your texts. Which they do now, right? We just need to listen to your phone calls. We just need to look at your face and recognize people walking on the street. We just need to limit how far you could travel, what kind of car you could drive. If you use a gas stove, like what they're doing is slowly controlling people to the point where they have full control. And meanwhile, people are just welcoming it. Are you guys noticing this? Okay. This happened last night. Katrina and I are talking about this. For my birthday this year in November, the Las Vegas, for the first time ever, if you guys know this, like F1 racing is racing the streets of Las Vegas. Oh, wow. Oh, they're doing that? Yeah, in Las Vegas, that's happening. So I'm like planning this trip. You want to go there? Yeah, I'm trying to plan this trip with my friends and I'm talking. So F1, F1, F1, I'm talking in our room. Are we in the friend? In my teeth. I feel like I never really told you about this. No. The truth is, it might be you guys, because my other friends are going to be able to afford it. We're in the F1. I'm planning it with them. They're in the F1. We're in the F1. I'm not going to be able to bring them. Bro, it's crazy expensive. Crazy expensive. You guys can come, but you've got to pay for my other friends. Yeah, exactly. That's the deal. I'm like, how should I buy a new car or should I go see this thing? That's not expensive. Yeah, dude, it's like over the top. Especially if you want to actually sit in good seats in the hotel room, of course, that night. But anyways, we're saying F1 like crazy all of a sudden on my TV, he populates like Netflix. It's recommended me the F1. I'm talking to Katrina about something else and before I can Google search it. Now, I know Google has the ability of whatever, you know, the thing where it finishes your sentence. And I know how that works. It works like the five most populated things when you put a word in. But I'm not even done with the first word and it gives me my Google search like sometimes. Like what the fuck? Yeah, they're listening. Like I open it and it's like recommended. I'm like, whoa, that's way too good. I've proven that they're listening and that what they've admitted to is they're listening for keywords and phrases so they could better tailor things like advertising and content. So people think, well, what's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with that. Which is why we're not just the Supreme Court ruling that basically absolved any further investigation into intelligence agencies active listening on the public. Yeah, they said that if the information got out, it would damage national security too much. That happens when you get so far down the rabbit hole, you get so bad that then releasing the information becomes more dangerous. That's what we're at right now. That's where we're at. So no, so here's the problem. Private companies are definitely listening. It happened today. We interviewed Kelly Starrett on the show. I have never once in my entire life seen an ad with Kelly Starrett on my phone, on Facebook ever. We're talking to him. I said his name, pull up Facebook afterwards, boom. He pops up. It's not a coincidence. It's 100% they're listening. Here's the problem with it. The problem is the government has backdoor access to all this stuff. So by proxy, they're using private companies to follow people around, watch what they're doing, hear what they're saying. And that's dangerous precedent. Very, very dangerous precedent. I still think Minority Report was the most accurate like sci-fi movie. Remember when he was walking down the street and all the ads, all these ads would pop at him and like the holograms, like I guarantee we're headed that. I mean, I think we already are. I mean, look how close like to your point, if your phone, which is in your pocket all the time, it's not going to be that far fetched for like advertising to start to change as you go by it. It's so invasive. Well, you just wait till they connect. Who was it that was trying to buy? What was the watch? What's the Fitbit, right? Is that the watch that you wear or that measures your? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Who was trying to buy them and they tried to put a stop on it? Was it Google? Oh yeah, Google. Okay, so you just wait till a tech company that collects data, partners with another tech company that measures things like heart rate, your body temperature, pupil dilation, like all these metrics that will allow you to objectively measure if someone's excited, if they're scared, if they're happy, if they're whatever. And then you pair that with a company that tries to influence you. Apple watches are there. That's why I have Apple stock, bro. That's why Apple is over. That's why I buy a stock. That's why I buy Apple stock. Most of my portfolio is Apple now. They've incorporated that in the latest watch. And they said it's really producing pretty accurate results. I was like, mind blown, because they don't even need that needle anymore. Yeah, so think about how it'll be able to target you with news articles and blogs and ads. This is exciting. This is not exciting. This is scary. This is scary. Keep going.  You might want to stop at this store real quick and pick up some food. Dude, whatever it is, it's just going to read you and then present you. I mean, obviously it's easy to become very alarmist about this and think of how bad this could be in the lead to. But at the end of the day, the real motivation I see is not government control. And I'm not saying that the government won't find a way to use it and manipulate it as they do everything else. But the real motivation behind all this is to make more money. It will separate the two. What's the difference? Well, you can't. Yeah. But we've never been able to. I'm just trying to sift through it all. I mean, just trying to figure my way through. Justin and I came up with a good strategy. Did you hear what we were saying? No, I did not. So we're like, hey, we got to get successful enough. Let's make Mind Pump successful enough. It's an A&B conversation. Hey, you're not inviting us to your F1 race. Hey, you'll be interested in this, Andrew. I'm going to start talking to Andrew for now. Hey, Andrew, you'll be interested in what this is. You mean by you to the F1 in Vegas? I bet he did. That's why I invited Andrew to chat group. Yeah, so listen to our idea. You're invited. All right, let's hear it. So here we were talking about this. We're like, let's do this. Get successful enough.  And we're going to be like the Amish, except not quite like the Amish. Here's the caveat. Because they're way too like, what do they stop at? What decade of technology? I don't know. Let's say 1800s. We want to start to get a farm. And we're going to go up to technology for 80s. 1982. Yeah. 1985. All the tech up to the mid 80s. Yes. That's what we'll stop. We'll have ECRs. Yeah, dude. We'll think about that. We won't have DVDs. Are you sure you want to start by 82? Maybe 90. We got to have a limit somewhere. I know. We got to agree here because what things happen between 82 and 90 that you're... We don't need any boy bands. No internet. Internet's not there yet. Okay. Duran Duran. Internet's not... You're to give up internet? Yeah. Yeah. Right before the... Like old school, like dial up.  Oh, so we need to nail... That's 90 something. We got to go to 90s then. Oh, you want that kind of internet? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you get like... Tell your mom to get off the phone so you can go to the internet.  That guy I showed you guys yesterday, Harry... Harry something. I'll look it up. On that channel that you said you were familiar with. I never even heard of it. Omega. Oh, Omega. You didn't know what that is? I didn't know. So, yeah, explain that to me. So, I know about it through my kids. So, apparently it's a site. It sounds like such old idiots.  Am I right? Andrew, is that the deal? Oh, my God. His name is Harry Mack. Oh, we're talking... Harry Mack, yeah. I was talking about... By the way, this isn't my shout out today, but that Harry Mack... Dude, this is the first time I've ever seen him, so I know I'm going to sound like probably an old fuddy duddy for all the young kids that already fall this guy. But dude is wicked talented. Yeah. Like so talented. And I didn't know what that... So, have you actually done Omegle? Omegle? Omegle? You're saying it right? I never actually used it. I remember when I grew up... You were a worthless young guy at first. Let me tell you why I didn't use it. This is your reference guy. It was well known for a lot of people that a lot of people only were just masturbating. Yeah. You would go on there and people would be looking for people doing that. It's like a random video chat. A predator haven. It tells you like you're being recorded. You cannot do this.  Because what it does is it randomly pulls someone up and it's some 40-year-old... My son was talking about this because again, I don't know at that age where it's just all these weird things are out there and they're like, what is this? And their friends were looking at it and that's exactly what happened. You keep flipping through to the next person.  It's disturbing.  Yes. And you can't tell. He just brought it to me and put it in my face. It looks crazy. Yeah. So now you've got these freaking weirdos, these predators who are like talking to people. So some 13-year-old girl thinks she's talking to some 14. Why are we making it easier for pedophiles? What's happening? Everything is in their favor. What an interesting thought. Okay, because obviously something like this, I don't think the person who created Omegle probably goes, oh, this will be great for pedophiles. I think you create something like that and you actually think of the things like that. That would be my immediate concern though. If I was building something like that, how can you not think of that?  This is probably some young entrepreneur who invented it. Okay, but why make your face look younger? That's where I'm heading right now. I get like, okay, of course some weirdos found a way to use it or what with that. But why would you ever make an app that makes you look 30 years younger?   Yeah, so how else does that app use Andrew? Is it used in the other way? There's other apps that you can do it, but this is strictly TikTok. Oh, that's for TikTok. Yeah, it's just a filter called Teenage Look. No, Teenage Look.  It's a filter like you're seeing. No teenager wants to try and look like a teenager. So it's only for old dudes. How do we not just create an app like this and then just whoever subscribes to this and uses it? We target and we put them in jail. Like the Washington Reds gas trap that I told you about. Exactly. It's a big honeypot. We get them all.  You know, we go like stop and we figure out where they live and we throw them in the truck.  I thought I raised it. Well, there was that show to catch a pedofiler. That was a great show. I don't think I've ever seen that.  They always say, I was worried about this. I didn't want anybody to actually, you know, take advantage of this poor person. Yeah.  I don't remember. Yeah.  But I think, I'm telling you, I think China, because China owns TikTok.  Yeah. It's like, otherwise they'd be running the same algorithm and programming for their own country. I mean, if they, if they did and all that is, is very accurate. Yeah. We would do the same thing. You have to, you kind of have to appreciate the brilliance in it.  Well, I, or the combination of both absolutely brilliant.  And we still, we still are involved. We're still doing it. Like that psychologically like crushed that the disconnect on things like that right now are just wild to me. Like we, I know we went on a little rant. I don't want to, I don't want to rehash. I know Doug won't like want to rehash, but the whole like all the news that came out around COVID and this and that. And like how there's still people walking around with mask and doing stuff like that. It's like, it's so absurd to me. And now we have all this stuff coming out about January 6th. The main dude who was like the super bad dude in January 6th is like strolling through the entire, the entire place with cops, but like walking him through all that. I haven't seen that video. You haven't seen it? No. Oh yeah. Dude, it's all over the place right now. It's going viral. This, this, this, this cognitive dissonance that we have right now is unbelievable to me where we're being proven and shared and told these things. And yet still just all the villains in, in, in, you know, crazy like emergency, like everything that there was being promoted so heavily is completely opposite. Look, it's, this is a January 6th. TikTok. I mean, all these things I go, you don't have to go. You can go back. You can go back to, to any emergency, any scary time. Look, it's, this is not, this is not new what I'm about to say, but under the guise of emergency and fear, things tend to get passed that would not get passed. Otherwise Hitler did this. Hitler achieved total power.  He blamed it on radicals and said, I need more power to stop these terrorists. And they gave it to him. Of course you never gave it back, right? September 11th gave us things like NDAA and the Patriot Act. And COVID gave us a lot of things that aren't going to go away. Lockdowns. So, you know, January 6th, like here's my big thing with January 6th. I don't care which side you're on or what you think or whatever. To me, it's weird that we have a capital building that got that easily, like people took it over like that, like that easy. What do you mean by take over?  And by the way, we know people that were there. I know somebody who was there and the description that they give from being there is nothing like what we've been told on the news. And then now you see this footage, this footage was held. They've had this forever. This is all from inside the building. Look at him walking. Why are they walking around with him? They're helping him. They're checking doors that are locked for him and they let him in. He says a prayer inside there and he thanks the police officers for being so kind and touring him through this place. It was not what everybody made it out to be. I mean, we were being told it was like the greatest assault to our democracy. Really? Really? The greatest of everything that we've had happen? Like, come on, dude. It's so weird. Yeah, you haven't seen this? No, we just got clips of people climbing the walls and like the crazies, right? The ones that are dressed up in face paint in buffalo hats. I mean, that's the main guy right there. That's who it is. Didn't he get now? He got thrown in jail for a while. I think he's still there. Yeah. Yeah, they call him the QAnon shaman. The QAnon shaman?   I think people are kind of in a state of like, I don't really know what to believe. I don't know.  And I know the mission is ideal, but there's also a bunch of people that are just profiteering off of all this. But there is something to be said about just like how, you know, pusified we've all become. I saw that video that's going viral right now from ABC News of the dude that's on the airplane who's making threats to everybody on the airplane. He's going to kill all of them. But the dude just sitting there. Yeah. He's surrounded by like six dudes. No guys coming in. Not a single dude. It sets, stands up. And this isn't like some 300 pound like gorilla that's like talking off. Yeah.  Nobody even turns their head or says anything to him. And then he gets down, runs down the aisle and starts assaulting one of the flight attendants. It's like, you know, the guy got on the plane so you know he's not carrying a knife or a gun.  I don't know.  Totally. Type of deal. I mean, on the other side of it, I saw this video of this woman who this guy was assaulting someone and she's just looked like a mom. She reaches in her purse, pulls out that was amazing. I don't know. It's an old video. I'm sure we can find it. Oh, it's old. But he's like assaulting someone and she just reaches in her purse, pulls it out. The guy's gone. It's like, okay. So there's still some bad asses out there. It wasn't a dude. So maybe you're right. It wasn't California. I'll tell you that right now. That ain't happening in California. We're supposed to talk about Butcher Box as well. I do want to say this about Butcher Box. There's always this debate and discussion about grass-fed versus conventional. I, you know, I've made this point before I'll make it again. If you eat a lot of red meat, if you eat it on a daily basis, grass-fed makes a difference. It does. When it comes to the fatty acid profile, the Omega 3 to Omega 6 fatty acid profile, the CLA content, which is a fatty acid that's found in meat that can actually have fat burning properties. They call it, you know, grass-fed meat is superior in that sense. It's not this massive difference, but it's big enough a difference where if you eat red meat on a regular basis, more than four days a week, or especially like I do, seven days a week and twice a day sometimes, then you want to go grass-fed. It makes a big difference. That Butcher Box gets it. I just text Katrina because I forgot we had this commercial today for Butcher Box, and I've been meaning to share with the team for when we did have this.  I know what we call it Sicilian. I think we call it Bruscioluno. I think we call it, it's like meat and it's like rolled up. So it's in the inside is like breadcrumbs, cheese. So she used, yeah, so... And it's a healthy version of that. Put sauce on it. Yeah, it's a healthy version of that. So we use like zucchini noodles instead of like real pasta. And then she used like a different... She actually subbed out whatever the cheese that it called for, for like mozzarella which is lower calorie. And it basically, it's... She used the Butcher Box ground beef, made this dish and it looks like meatloaf. And the center of it is turkey wrapped in cheese down the middle of it. And it has the marinara sauce over it with the... Oh, it's good. Yeah, do you guys make sauce or do you buy it? She bought it. She bought it. Yeah, yeah. I wish I had an Italian friend who actually can't. Yeah, you buy me to do so like can't. Yeah, I literally... I have hours of sauce at home. Bro, why don't you hook that up? Why don't you hook that up? I would definitely... I'm curious. I would love that. I got to bring it because we don't eat a whole lot... In my house we don't eat a whole lot of sauce, please. They get all upset. No, it's red sauce. Good. I'll bring you guys some. Yeah, I would love that. So who's our shout out today? Adam, you had somebody, right? Oh, yeah, no. So I wrote down this... I just found her recently. So if she ends up being terrible, like please tell me because... No, no.  We should probably be careful. We shout somebody out who we like kind of, you know, you've only been following them for like maybe a few months. And I think they're all great. They're doing a questionable post.  Oh, that racist? Yeah. Yeah, right. So no, she's like, she's all business, right? So her name, her name's Cody Sanchez. I don't even know how I found her. Somebody else I think shared her content. And then I clicked on her page and just kind of went down the rabbit hole. She's an, she invests in companies. She's an investor in real estate. And she gives really good, like practical, tactical business advice and investing advice. And she's, and they're all like reals and TikTok stuff. And it's really good stuff. So like I, yeah, she wheeled me in, I reeled me in and then I went down the rabbit hole of like watching all of her content. And so far, everything that I've seen of hers, I really like. So it's Cody Sanchez, C-O-D-I-E and then Sanchez. Yes. Hey, look, check this out. Look, most children's vitamins are basically candy with a few nutrients. Sometimes none. It's garbage. You give it to your kids. You think you're making them healthier. You're just giving them candy.  And it's got adequate amount of nutrients to actually make a difference. So if you want to make sure you fill in those nutritional gaps for your kids, give them something they'll like to eat, but also isn't candy, go check out Haya. Go to HayaHealth.com. That's H-I-Y-A-Health.com forward slash mind pump. By the way, that link will give you 50% off your first order. So go check it out. All right, here comes the rest of the show. Here is Chris from California. What's up, Chris? How can we help you? How's it going, guys? Good. You're right. My question is about grip strength and maybe hand positioning. Really just hand pain during pull-ups and hanging leg raises. So when doing pull-ups or hanging leg raises types of exercises, it's my hands and my shoulders that always give out first. It seems like I feel like I should be able to do more reps from a back and core perspective, especially I'm in the last abolic right now and with the 30-second rest, like the hanging leg raises at the end, the second, third, fourth set, there's just like, I can only hold on for very little time. So then I end up doing some of those and then moving directly into like the leg raises on kind of the dip bar or something when I can't hold on any longer. Yeah, that's a good substitute. All right, so how long have you been strength training in this way? How long have you been, I guess, testing your grip strength? So I've been, I'm 32. I've been working out lifting since I was like 18, 19. Okay. You know, there's been times when I've done tons and tons of pull-ups in my training, like hundreds per week. And even then, you know, after like 12 or something, it's just my hands are just done. Okay. Now, when you say they're done, is it the pain on the hands or is it the grip strength itself or both, the fatigue of it? I think it's, I think it's mostly the hands and then it also after, after my hands here, I'll be my shoulders too Yeah. Okay. So kind of just like, go ahead. Okay. So I would work on, I would start working on mobility on the wrists, hands and shoulders, just to give you a better connection to some of those stretched ranges of motion. So when you start to feel that fatigue in the shoulders when you're hanging, because I mean, you think to yourself, what do my shoulders have to do with hanging? Well, there's stabilizers in there, certain muscles are getting stretched and mobility work tends to help a lot with that. And how is that going to contribute to grip strength? Well, I find that when you fatigue in other parts of your body, other parts of your body that some don't seem to be connected will also start to experience fatigue as well. So shoulders start to get fatigued, then it starts to travel to the hands almost. And that's because there's kind of a systemic fatigue effect that's happening. Now, as far as specifically working on strength for the hands, nothing I've ever done in my entire life has ever worked as well as frequent training of the grip, frequent. Now the key here is not to train with any kind of intensity. You're looking at moderate intensity at most. If it's a workout you're doing every day, you're going to quickly frequency. Yeah, you're going to quickly over train your hands.  You can get yourself a squeeze ball. You could use a piece of paper that you crumple and squeeze. And you want to train about 50% intensity. And you want to practice this throughout the day, literally 50% intensity. But practice it three, four, five times a day for, you know, two, three minutes. So what I used to do is I used to have a hand gripper that I would have on my desk. And then when I would train clients at the beginning of every session, I grabbed the hand gripper and I would just have 50% intensity. I'd squeeze it, you know, my right. And then I'd squeeze it my left. Then I'd hold it for a little bit on my right, you know, like I said, wait till I get to about 50% where I think I could probably double just practice throughout the day. And that made my grip strength and stamina go through the roof by doing it. But the mistake that I made at first was training with too much intensity doing that because then I just fried myself. I got tennis elbow and all kinds of other issues. I would definitely echo the wrist mobility and all those drills like reach, roll, lift, handcuffs, rotation, you know, that kind of stuff. And then one exercise too, if you want to kind of work a little bit more on isometrically kind of holding and sustaining position and challenging that position. I love the bottoms up kettlebell hold. So you would do that like in a rack position with the kettlebell straight up, upside down. So it's challenging left to right. It's challenging rotation and just being able to sustain that and like doing incremental sets with that. So whatever that starts out with, whether it's like 10, 20 seconds, 30 seconds a minute and you kind of build and progress from there. But like Sal saying, you don't want to overdo it. This is all about like frequency. So pick a couple of these challenging exercises that will help to kind of get some control there. So along those lines, that's where I was thinking is loaded hangs. So are you working out at home or are you working out at a gym? I'm going to gym now because I was running an anabolic cruise to work out at home a lot. But I do have a bar at home. Oh, you do have a way to load. Oh, you do. I mean, to me, I would load for time being cautious of what Sal and Justin are saying, which is, you know, don't go and try and fry the forums the first time, but set a good time, a time that is is challenging enough that you're challenged but that you're not crushing your your forms and hang and do a full, fully extended out hang with some weight and do it for time and then slowly try to progress that time and increase the frequency of that. So like I might do it, you know, once a day at first and see how I and to a moderate amount of time. And then the next week, I'm going to add maybe, you know, 10 seconds or 15 seconds to it and then eventually add it twice a day. Then if you can three times a day, you jump up there and grab it but load up load up your, you know, I don't know if you have a belt that you can load it up or you can pinch it between your thighs or whatever you can do to load it and hang and hang for time, especially since it's that those are the two things pull ups and the and the hanging hanging leg raises where it's giving out, I think increasing the frequency of a loaded hang will actually help that too. So so I'm going to, I'm going to add to that and change it just a little bit because I really, really, really want to emphasize that overtraining the forearms is where people nine out of 10 times will mess up when trying to strengthen their grip and it's the it's usually the intensity that they over apply when they're doing the frequency. So let me, let me change that a little bit. Here's what I want you to do. Hang on your bar once a day at a moderate intensity. Time that. So let's say it's 30 seconds. Let's say you could do for 30 seconds. Now here's what you do for 30 days, you're not going to do more than 30 seconds. You're not going to add any time until after 30 days. So what it's going to feel like is it's going to feel easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier and easier. And then this is an old Soviet era style of training for strength. So the Soviets with a lot of studies on strength training because of the Olympics and weightlifting and they would do stuff where they would take an athlete have them squat, let's say 300 pounds for 10 reps, which for the athlete let's say was moderate to moderate high intensity and then they'd say you're going to do this every day and no matter how easy it gets we're not going to add any weight. Then at the end of 30 days then we'll add weight and then you get these huge gains and strength at the end. You should not feel like you're frying or working out your forearms. You should feel like you're practicing. You should feel like you're practicing and you're getting better. If it starts to feel like you're frying yourself it's too hard. When you're applying frequency when you're doing this on a daily basis does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. And give yourself a little bit of time. Now as far as exercises are concerned if once a week you want to do two or three specific exercises for your form which by the way are doing that would be something later on that you can add. First do what we're saying but if you want to add exercises consider this. Grabbing a bar that isometric strength you're going to get from grabbing the bar it has a little bit of carry over outside of that range of motion but you also want to challenge yourself with different types of grip so you can wrap a towel around the bar make it thicker you can do a pinch grip you can do this kind of a pinch grip or it's more like the fingertips just different ranges of motion with that isometric will give you more of a complete type of grip strength and that's something I would do later on once you got really good so like form of carries with plates like things like that so you can get like the different variations of grip but you're not just always like this all the time yes but you need to feel good okay so you should be feeling good this entire time I don't want you to be like oh my god my hands are sore oh my god my forearms are hammered that means you overdid it when you're applying I do not I have primed and I'm primed pro well I'm going to send you primed pro because the wrist and shoulder mobility movements I want you those you practice every single day I think that'll make a big difference too yeah that would be awesome in a perfect world in the 90 90s changed my everything else for the lower body so looking forward to something perfect in a perfect world you do the wrist and shoulder stuff in there right before you little 10 minute thing that you do every single day and you can do it anytime of the day you feel like it and do the mobility for the shoulders wrist and then do the hang you do that for a month and like you'll see progress in that for sure okay awesome thank you guys you got it man thanks for calling in yeah you know the you thought it was too much intensity to increase by you know 10 15 seconds yeah because he's got like I tell you 99% of time I mean you're just overdue I'm not going to disagree with you less is more yeah I mean I think personally I personally know how to feel intensity enough to know that I could do it every week I could progress myself more intuitive yeah for you but I mean you're going listening to you I think is probably the safer route that he's not going to overdo it yeah you know more along the lines of hand and grip strength our hands have tremendous capacity for strength and stamina so for people who are like you know these back exercises I can't do this you know pulling movements my hands give out or whatever if you train your hands properly they will catch up your hands connect you to the world they're designed or they we evolved to be able to have hands that are extremely agile that we have great dexterity and strength tremendous amounts of strength and your evidence is I mean you look at some of the top grip athletes like rock climbers maybe their hands are fine their hands don't give out other things give out before their hands do you know some of the strongest I ever my and it's funny because I actually never really thought about it till way later like unpacking like what exactly was going on the strongest like my grip my pull ups all were when I was a kid in high school from 16 to 19 I worked on the dairy yeah milking cows right and so for every single day right that I worked in addition to that there was when I walk into the barn there used to be this this bar like this thing and it was the piping for all the for all the milk and I would hot and it was like a routine I just hop up and I just when I first did it the very first time was like just a couple like two pull ups three pull ups and I did it it was my routine every day I was just messing around as a kid you know just messing around doing that I started to work with doing a couple pull ups I turned into like 15-20 pull ups I could wrap out on that fat grip in addition to all that I was doing oh my god I had like yeah if you approach it just like you're brushing your teeth every day it's like it's something that's like really non-invasive but it's like you're just constantly kind of stimulating that grip and like doing I never felt sore so strong exactly I never felt sore yeah you don't want to feel sore that's why I never even it snuck up on me I never once thought pull ups I just would hop up goof around pull up until I couldn't do it you know and then drop that was all I did and then I would do the cow thing all day and it was like look some of the strongest hands you'll ever find in relation to body weight are like blue-collar workers construction work go swing a hammer with a 50-year-old guy who's been doing it for 30 years and yeah dude you're just my dad so my dad was a contractor and his form strength was so crazy maybe like like trying to find maybe like holding on to both kids just like hanging on to us and we just everything you got both hands trying to break the it was just like and he used to just sit there and laugh I used to do with my dad where he would he would put he would just take out his index finger like this and he'd tell us to bend it and like just pull it back and he would just hold his finger like this and for the longest time we couldn't move it it was great our next caller is Tony from Texas Tony what's happening how can we help you hey what's going on guys just like everybody else I want to say thanks you guys have helped me a ton personally I've lost a couple years back I lost almost a hundred pounds wow yeah based upon a lot of the things yeah yeah a lot of the things that you guys put out there and everything and so big thanks man like everything you guys put out there is top notch quality so I'm digging it but so just a little bit about me I just turned 39 on the 27th month and I've kind of gotten a little bit lax in my eating and my weight started creeping back up on me and I'm giving myself a year to basically transform my body to get the best you know aesthetics whatever just completely different from what your stereotypical dad bod would look like you know what I mean and so I want to I want to avoid that at all costs a while back I got my hands on the RGB bundle I was running that loved it I started running it as more of an upper lower though I guess for me was with more into like chasing the pump I guess through a lot of the things and that was easier I felt more engaged I'm not really sure what to what to call it but but then when you guys rolled out with anabolic failure training and it's more of an upper lower split immediately my ears perked up I told my wife about it and she bought that for my birthday and I've been running that ever since and so I love the program but failure training is a bit new to me and so I have a couple questions for you guys that might be a little basic and I know you guys have covered it before but just kind of in the realm of failure training I'm just wondering if the rules and so my first question is for those of us who have a bit of a time constraint would rest pause be something that you guys would suggest or consider on volume days right intensity days I can get those done like 4045 minutes or so but intensity days I'm running like hour and a half almost and so do you want to get your thoughts on that what do you mean by running rest pause on the volume days because that would be adding volume days how do you mean well so with me like most of my work out before I would always like the happy zone for me was running just about an hour or so if at all possible and so running the this program through the volume days and you know like it just the time in which I'm done and then trying to like hustle and get ready for work and all this reporting my thought was my thought was would rest pause be something that I could do for the volume days to kind of scale the time back so I'm not in like I guess a rush to get through it if that makes sense yeah how are you applying because I think so I'm not I'm not understanding what you mean by rest pause yeah because rest pause from what I understand is you you do a set to let's say super high intensity you put the weight down 10 seconds you get another couple reps like cluster sets yeah like a cluster set so how are you you might be using the definition a little differently what do you mean do you mean like cut the work out like take some of it out and do the rest later like what do you mean no no sorry I'll explain so basically I'm I'm carrying my sets to like one to two reps from failure resting for you know 20 to 30 seconds or so and then bringing the rep count down for the the subsequent I see so instead of doing like the traditional rest rest do a set rest you're doing something like that to get through the sets faster are you are you adding the optional third exercise or are you doing the two because in the program you could do like two exercises three sets each and then there's an optional third exercise are you doing the lower volume version or the higher volume version so first day one the higher volume version and then day two I I skipped a couple of the optional ones just to just to see okay but yeah so no I would prefer you do the lower volume version yeah rather than doing rest especially if it well and if you were gonna do rest pause for sure yeah I wouldn't do because that's a little bit of that's like more of an intensity technique and the goal with the volume days is not to hammer intensity it's to get a good intensity at most so if you were to do that Sal okay I would want you to dramatically reduce the weight and then do your rest pause thing if you're doing it for time right if he has to like power through it I would rather cut the volume because because the the reason the maps at a bulk advanced is written to alternate high intensity with a lower intensity I mean this is it's more complex than this but if we go if we use a high intensity technique on a week like the volume weeks then what ends up really hard because we're not allowing your body to work with different adaptations so what I found was when you're using high intensity techniques like failure forced wraps partial reps rest pause okay when you're doing that if you alternate it with more traditional weeks we can really stretch out the type of results people get so I would prefer you to just cut the volume cut the volume so instead of doing nine sets for chess do the six or if six is too just get the pump get the squeeze and then watch what happens on the on the failure weeks and believe me that's where you'll get the more consistent results rather than trying to squeeze everything in because you're your time limited okay okay that makes sense yeah and you know most people have a tendency to want to and this was a debate I'll be honest with you this was a debate in the studio when I presented the program to the guys they were like why are you even just going to do that that's exactly what I said I knew they would all gravitate towards it yeah and 85 to 90 percent of everyone is going to do better without them and so it was a big debate back and forth and I'm realizing they were right I probably shouldn't have put them in there because people tend to want to do the more the higher volume version thinking that it'll give them better results but vast majority of people will get better results doing the lower volume version I see okay you have some more questions because I see you wrote up here okay yeah yeah so my next question is is when you when you run a program that that implements failure training when it comes to progressive overloading does it make more sense to slow the the reps down you know maybe maybe stay at the same weight for a longer period of time but work more on the tempo side or does it make more sense to like increase your weight every week two and a half I like that I like that question no you I like that question a lot we just talked about this the other day and we would so if we were training you I would I would mess with your tempo first because here's the thing like and this all depends on the experience level how long I've been training somebody but I would always manipulate tempo before I add more weight to the bar because I I'm a stickler with my clients about form and technique like I want your form to be just absolutely beautiful and so if I can utilize a tool like tempo slowing down tempo to challenge you with progressive overload without making the the movement more difficult by adding weight you're far better off it's a safer approach to do it you're still overloaded this reward is better on the reward side you're going to get you'll get and you're not sacrificing results so if you had two people one guy added five pounds the other guy slowed down his tempo they're going to get the same muscle growth and strength results yeah the difference is the tempo guy is going to have way better technique form less risk of injury now there is a there is a cap to this so obviously you're not going to go and do a 30 second rep so typically what I'll do is I'll take somebody from you know traditional tempo and I'll work them more towards a four second negative after four or five second negative then I'll add weight you're good most people don't even do that that's why I always love to coach now if you're somebody who's actually for the last year or two years you've been doing everything 422 to a T I might not then I might add load to you because you're probably moving really slow and controlled and you probably got pretty damn good form everywhere but most people you've probably heard me on the podcast say every time I walk in a gym I can't find one person doing a true 422 so if that's if that's still in the if that's still in your tool bell I'm using that 212 and then you're like oh my god I could add five pounds of the bar go 422 and then the next week if you're like wow I could add five pounds of the bar with 422 now you can add weight people don't realize how challenging and effective that is so that's such a great thing to bring because you know because here's one of the drawbacks I don't know if it sounds like a drawback it's going to sound more like a sales sales pitch but one of the drawbacks to training with failure properly is the strength gains because people tend to want to add weight to the bar before perfecting their form so the risk of injury tends to be higher I experienced it myself recently just putting the program together I was just loading the bar and getting excited and I tweaked my hip a little bit my knee a little bit so you're on point I'd go whatever your tempo is bring it to 422 and then the following week if that feels too easy then you add weight okay so the same rules apply for both the volume and intensity weeks yeah in fact what's on the bar I don't care about how much weight is on the bar I'm trying to feel the muscle as much as possible weight on the bar is more important for the failure for the failure weeks okay okay sweet that's awesome alright and then the last question that I had so you know with the RGB bundle there's just a natural progression you know from program to program to program rinse repeat run it through jump to something else you know but with anabolic advanced is that a program like for my specific situation like would you guys suggest that I just run this for a year because like when I look at it I feel like it has so many components you know you've got your mobility you've got you know the strength the hypertrophy I feel like there's so many components within this thing you know I'm just curious like would I be shooting myself in the foot by sticking with this program after this yeah if you're okay so this is a good question because it gets real tempting when you follow a program and you see like really amazing gains but every program every program has a weakness and that's true for all programs including maps anabolic advanced the closest one that doesn't is mass performance mass performance is close but what's the weakness of mass performance might be like the bodybuilding side right I'm not gonna build right so I would go you could do anabolic advanced but I would follow that with performance and then you can jump back on if you want or you could go anabolic advanced back to anabolic then you could go back to anabolic advanced but I would throw performance in there you know this year at least once yeah because otherwise you're gonna notice some mobility issues yeah you wanna make sure that your joints are gonna you know be strong and supporting you properly so you know being in the same plane of motion a bit too long a lot of these programs where we're doing a lot of the compound lifts you know inevitably repetitive stress we're just gonna keep experiencing that which is then gonna lead to problematic issues down the road so to be able to address that with multi-planar movement and also expressing you know your joints full potential you wanna do a program that's gonna do that I'm always a fan of testing these boundaries and becoming more self-aware of the things that the guys are alluding to right now so I wouldn't be against you like trying it but then I would also caution you like okay as you're doing this program over and over be very aware like how you know how do your hips feel how do your shoulders feel how do you start paying attention to your joints and if they're starting to talk to you the probably the reason why they're talking to you is you are you're missing out on some of the benefits that you get in performance like Justin saying moving in different planes like that challenging rotation that's not even though we do have mobility in there which that's good and it'll help mitigate some of that but if you really get away with running it a little longer it's not at the same capacity as something like performance which is very also loading it right so you're strengthening that rotation instead of just yeah expressing it and for a guy that's your age our age that stuff really starts to matter you know I always because I typically lean towards an advanced anabolic or an aesthetic type program because that's what I like but I always know when I'm missing out on like my rotational movements and stuff in fact literally yesterday's was these lunges with a bar with a what's our little sticks mobility stick behind my shoulders and I'd take deep long strides completely open up because I recognize that I've lost this ability to rotate really far just from neglecting it for a couple months well it's been more like six months of neglecting it and so I've modified my program and I've added these lunges with rotation in it to incorporate that because I know I've been neglecting it so you gotta pay cool awesome awesome yeah those are the three main questions that I had awesome you're good Tony thanks man are you in our forum I'm not alright we're gonna put you in the forum I want to follow up on this you said you gave yourself a year goal I want to see what happens stay in touch with awesome thanks man keep killing it man awesome thank you guys take it easy those are all really good questions really good questions I love that he all great great questions because that takes some self-awareness too I still feel it fall to you know I'll do a weight and I'll be oh wow I could add weight to the bar but if I'm like self-aware everybody does that's why the gym I swear to God it's like one of my favorite things to make people stick to and maybe it's because you guys were more like strength guys and I never cared about that I always went on form technique tempo direction because I always liked I always looked of course the kind of bodybuilder in me the like working out like as an art form right and I always wanted like all the exercise I did I wanted to like to look the best I wanted you to like see the way I move the weight and it just looked well that's still on performance then too like I'm like super stringent on my technique and like making sure it's sharp and my lions are perfect and that's that all matters I just want to lift more weight most people are that way but that's okay most people are like that like man and same thing for like man I think it's like one of the most attractive qualities is like to watch Katrina exercise like to see her move in a squat or like seeing a woman with like beautiful form such an attractive quality because I like that you know totally our next caller is Jenna from Ohio Hey Jenna how can we help you Hey guys I just want to say thank you kind of like everyone dies because you guys have really changed my life like getting me realizing that I can be strong awesome nice thank you so I'm going to kind of read from my question with maybe a couple details I guess I realized I should have put in there but I'm 35 years old I'm about 5 foot 8 150 pounds I've been weight lifting consistently for about 2 years so previously I was a rower in college and then after college I kind of did distance running like 25 kilometer trail runs before finding weight lifting and I kind of fell into that because I broke my leg in 2020 on a run and then was like well I can't run I need to do something so I started weight lifting and then got back into running to finish up some races I had started already signed up for but since then when I started listening you guys I've done Matt Tannibalic I've done performance power lift suspension currently doing Matt's 15 feet advanced version and I had honestly my best results were with aesthetic like I noticed such a change in my physique with that and now I'm in phase 3 of Matt's 15 and I'm just feeling like constantly tired and sore and I've been sick like several times in a row where I had like a cold and then strep throw and then another cold and so I've kind of got this feeling that maybe I'm overtraining but like easier during my workouts or taking some rest days and I guess I'm wondering if that makes sense where I did aesthetic which was a really high volume program and felt great and now I feel like I'm doing a lower volume program and I feel terrible sounds like you might be hammering it a bit too hard yeah that's I got some questions for you yeah I need I need to know more when you broke your leg running how did you break your leg I was it was muddy it was a trail run and I like rolled my ankle and kind of fell down and broke it like right above the ankle okay and have you ever had like a austere have you ever checked your bone density have you ever had any any hormone issues or issues with anything like hair falling out nails feeling weak hot, cold and tolerance anything like that no I mean I think my hormones are really good they I had x-rays for the leg like everything was gray other than I had broken my ankle area okay so I still have more questions do you do you notice like okay when you cause you're right aesthetic is a a ton more volume than maps 15 so the likelihood of us under overtraining is less likely unless we have other things going on one I'd be interested in what do you notice different in your life currently time now we do have to factor this in it is wintertime lots of colds lots of sicknesses is going around so that that is a potential factor one what is like some of the do you have other stress outside of training working out do you notice when you do something like maps 15 which is mainly just a couple barbell lifts versus maps aesthetic which is more body builder focus do you train differently like do you tend to like really load the bar up on the barbell movements and then when you were doing maps aesthetic where you more you training differently when you approach the weights and then also other outside factors in your life right now is anything different so I think I realized kind of after this that one thing that's been like really different is starting kind of around the new year I started I've had like a long history of gut issues and I kind of like that had a lot of trouble there so I think that that's maybe one thing contributing where I've been seeing a couple of that and I'm starting to feel better but I've definitely like the last couple months I've been struggling with gut issues Jenna there we go it's not it's not one thing contributing that is the thing so you have a look you were a rower a runner I asked you questions to see if you were overtrained before you weren't your body naturally has a high capacity for exercise stress just based off of what we've what we've known of you or what you're telling us about your exercise history like ten times the volume of MAPS 15 and that was going to be the next question that I asked you was about your gut if your gut health is off you have a you have systemic inflammation and stress in your body and if MAPS 15 is overtraining you you're probably overtrained without even working out just for lack of a better term because of what's happening with your gut so I would I forget about the workout modifying your workout get your gut health in check because bad gut health stress is too much stress almost any and I know this person really hard to recover yeah so I would definitely are you working with a functional medicine practitioner or just regular I mean I have a gastroenterologist and I work with someone who does allergy elimination techniques okay yeah I would get tested for dysbiosis make sure it's not SIBO or CFO see if there's any type of overgrowth that needs to get treated gut issues because if your gut is off 100% I mean any workouts gonna feel like too much I mean it can get real bad I mean I've worked with people where a 10 minute walk every day just would fry them and they would have to sleep 10 hours a day type of deal so but once you solve it everything's gonna fall back into place once you solve whatever's causing these gut issues everything else I mean it could be a parasite you know back off the intensity you can still go through the motions as far as lifting the weight and stuff like that but you know strip the weight down strip the weight down you can practice the form but the number one priority and focus should be around healing the gut I mean just based off what you did before and then mass 15 it's not the workout I mean it is the workout but it's not because it's the workout it's the workout that is almost overflowing with stress and it's probably coming from the gut for you to even mention your gut tells me that it's bad enough or it's an issue that you're looking at Jenna take advantage of our free forum too are you not in the Dr. Cabral's free forum that we have is it MP holistic health yeah I'm in it okay good okay good yeah so definitely take it I mean they're in there what you could possibly need so take advantage of that yeah because when your gut is off your inflammation is off your recovery is off your hormones will start to be off sleep will be off I mean it literally affects everything so this would already be very rare for like a novice person to have say like hey aesthetic was amazing for me and then propensity of training high volume and then all of a sudden you go to 15 and you feel this it ain't the program it's something else going on in your life for sure all right and you know why don't you are you in our regular forum I want to get some follow up because I want to see how you feel once we get this figured out yeah I'm not in your forum you are you're not all right we'll put you in there I want to hear I want I want some follow up like what's going on awesome all right all right thanks Jenna thank you you got it look speaking from personal experience I'll tell you the difference I know it down I know it to the number the difference in my lean body mass when my gut is off versus when my gut is on or good is about 13 pounds of lean body mass that's a lot I'll lose 13 pounds or gain 13 it's it's massive it affects my mood I'm more depressed I'm more irritable I'm more anxious if it gets real bad I have anxiety all day long well I told you I'm like in the think of it right now and going through all of those tests for the gut with Dr. Cabral just to kind of get to the root and the bottom of it instead of just treating it constantly having to kind of really like nail down like what's going on because it is it's impossible to recover it affects your sleep it affects your mood the output you have in the gym all that stuff is related yeah I mean to me this is really easy to point to that because of the dramatic difference to the programs like maps 15 is the program I put to somebody because they feel maybe over trained in another program it's like oh they're like oh I think aesthetics too much volume for you okay go to Matt so if she handled aesthetic when she ran that fine and then she goes 15 there's obviously an outside and it could maybe it's a little gut maybe it's also some personal stress it's not the programming and the only thing I could think of that's why I asked her too about do you know are you aware of how you train because maybe when you did aesthetic you're kind of like lightweight into the pump not really pushing it and then all of a sudden you go to Matt's 15 barbell movements the athlete comes in and now we're going super intense yeah but maybe but that's not likely still because there's still a lot of barbell movements and still such low volume yeah so it's definitely something else our next caller is Connor what's happening how can we help you hey guys great to be on the show a huge fan been listening for like five plus years yeah you guys are great just wanted to say thanks for providing such quality fitness advice for all of us if it wasn't for you guys I'd probably still would be lifting based off of my body weight or my body type and then as a side note just wanted to say thanks as a new dad I really love all your guys this is dad vice cool thank you so a little bit about me I'm 28 I've been lifting for like 10 plus years or so off and on with injuries and all that good stuff life I recently started following map symmetry to fix some very obvious muscle imbalances that I've got really liking it so far the only question that I'm kind of struggling with is I've been dealing with some low testosterone levels for the last year and a half and I have tried a few different things you know got on prescription and didn't see much results from that so I decided to just kind of you know work my way off of that and just start lifting heavy and see how that feels and I was running anabolic and I realized I was feeling way better you know lifting heavy and then anything else I had tried my energy level was up I felt better I was in a better mood and all that stuff I'm kind of afraid I might lose some of those benefits while running symmetry with the the rep range that I've been in and some of the lighter lifts though I know I need the the work of symmetry to kind of get my body in the right place I was wondering how you guys might incorporate or should I incorporate maybe a heavy lift or two during running my symmetry days or should I just kind of hold out and wait towards the end when I get back to those compound lifts yeah trust the process brother trust the process of what we got going the phase is the reveal I do have a question though I do find it really interesting that you you were taking testosterone you were taking testosterone and you didn't feel you felt better off of the testosterone you said you took a prescription was it testosterone or was it something else no I was taking something called clomid give my body this stuff to make more I was going to say if you're taking you're taking testosterone brother you're going to feel better I promise similar similar story to you Adam yeah you know my kids like five weeks old so we you know want to have a kid so I know I didn't want to you know go straight on to trying the treatment therapy yeah so a lot of people feel like garbage on on clomid HCG is another thing that is a prescription that raises testosterone but how you said you've been battling what do your numbers look like when I was first getting tested I was like high 200s low 300s especially for yeah and then got back up 500s um was still kind of just you know trying to wait the process out um and then after talking to my my doc unfortunately like the doctor I had at the place I go left so I have a new doctor and we're kind of we're going to play around with a couple things going to stay off the the clomid for another month and a half and then we'll test my levels again and see really where I'm at there but overall I've been feeling a lot better with the heavy lifting and stuff yeah so they're all going to positively affect things like testosterone and androgen receptor density that's probably why you felt the best is when you strength train properly it'll raise testosterone but more than that what it does it increases the receptor density that testosterone attaches to so it makes whatever your levels are feel more effective symmetry will do that and Ebola will do that performance will do that any program that's appropriate for your body will do that including symmetry to the end that's when you get to the 5x5 compound list when everything really really starts to come together so stay the course you're doing great with that and then continue monitor your hormone levels because there are ways of raising testosterone with medications that don't involve taking testosterone one is clomid but other people will use things like HCG in combination and they tend to find better success with that you know I average 7-ish hours of sleep you guys know how it goes with a newer kid and then I get up fairly early for work I'm usually up between 3, 30 and 5 most days depends on the time of year and what we're doing I work out in the woods so I'm up early a lot it's going to be hard too for the next I mean you got 5 week old you got about you got good 6 months a year of crappy sleep but you know the interventions are your best friend are you in the mind pump hormones for them already the one on Facebook the free one right yes okay good make sure you're talking to those guys in there too I'm going to send you MAPS 15 because if it really starts to get overwhelming with the baby and work and all that I have 4 kids I know what it's like MAPS 15 is a great fallback program for that and it produces when it's the right program so I'll send that to you so you have it I got 9 kids we should have we should have marketed that program as the new dad program we should have we should have because it really is like that I think it's a life saver in that situation so I'll send that to you Connor so you got it thanks guys you got it that one or anywhere was kind of the ones I was going to look into for my busier time of the year MAPS 15 MAPS 15 you got it man yeah congratulations on the new baby thanks keep up the awesome work guys you guys are phenomenal thanks brother take it easy yeah the you know that's the thing about strength training when it's appropriate all strength training will do that it's not like heavy lifting does it more than bodybuilding does it more than provide the right stimulus yeah it's just if it's appropriate for your body if it's inappropriate for your body you're not going to get the same kind of results and he did MAPS and Ebola felt amazing because it was perfect the ground of traditional bodybuilding body part split high volume type of training they moved to a full body type routine like that and they get those types of results oh he'll love it he'll just wait till he gets that last phase it's going to blow his mind look if you like Mind Pump head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides we have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal you can also find all of us on Instagram so Justin is at Mind Pump Justin Adam is at Mind Pump Adam today we're going to teach you everything you need to know to build a strong well-developed chest when I think of weak points and areas that I struggled with developing for a really long time chest was up there with the work part yeah it was for me it was for me for sure I got more caught up in the weight I could lift versus how I was developing my body I think it's one of the most challenging muscles to develop for most people because the form and technique


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