You just have four killers, a murder where four people died. Boys in the car pictures go everywhere, you never spoke about that because you feel like you big in it in there. Let me keep on going at TI and boosting. Never spoke about that. Never spoke about the crime, you never went out there, you never did anything about that because you think you big in it. Yeah we on boss talk one on one, one on one, yeah we gon' talk. That's God, that's something else that's going to happen to him, it's God.  You know what I'm saying?  Boys in the car pictures go everywhere, you never spoke about that because you feel like you big in it in there. Let me keep on going at TI and boosting. Never spoke about that. Never spoke about the crime, you never went out there, you never did anything about that because you think you big in it. So the mission, the guy put you out here for, you not on that no more. So hyped about hype is over, the activist going downtown is that over? I ain't seen none of that. That ain't, how long has it been since y'all done that together because you was with him. What was? You been around him. You knew if he was saying? We went to the, the last time we did went to the schools like two months ago, three months ago. And that's when they told y'all can come back? Nah, that was Austin. That's where he went yesterday. Oh, he went to Austin? Yeah, yesterday. So that's the whole thing. He said that. He said you didn't come, you missed out on something? I ain't talked to him, I ain't talked to him about three weeks, two weeks and I never knew he was going out there. And I believe he went out there by himself and the people was asking where Ryan was at with them rappers that, that, because they, when we came up, they was, they was, they were listening and we was interacting with them, then people still detecting my phone. So I think they were like, where Ryan was with them with the rappers, he felt bad and try to make it seem like we just didn't show up. You never told nobody that you was going up there. And we don't want to associate ourself, or I don't want to associate myself with anybody. I'm a man that's strong to believe that some women need to be f**ked up and they ain't clear to. So I'll advocate rape too, for some people, some b***** need a good rape. Wake up this morning and let the Muslim community know y'all are worthless piece of s**t organization in religion. Because, because that's what somebody believe. I believe in God. And somebody else might believe in this in Farrakhan, but I'm not going to crush their dream of what they believe in, because that's what they believe in. You know what I'm saying? They got their reasons for believing in Farrakhan. You know what I'm saying? So when you come and say, f**k somebody, religion, nah, man. But you've seen them say this before though, all of a sudden now, did it rub you wrong then? His friend kind of said he didn't want to be a part of it. His friend that was in the documentary. And they said they don't know, the Alameda said they don't want to be a part of it. So that's what made you just say that? I'm like, damn. That's what made you. So it wasn't going to do with this when they said that? Yeah, then you going with Boussi. You going native with Boussi. Boussi ain't nothing but good to Mothra and his family and me. So that's where it happened when he started down playing on Boussi, you fell some type of weight? I still did. You still trying to hang in there with him? It was about when he went to jail. When he caught me messy, I told somebody, yo, man, trust in the jail. We can't turn that sh** into that. But you got to understand, like, everything somebody say, you're not going to agree with it.


Hi everyone, welcome back to Tiny Mike Interviews. I'm your host Ali and today we have Ashish. And you're from? I'm Australia, I'm from Australia, but I'm from Cloud 3 Podcast. So actually, this is your first time at DEF CON, right? This is literally my first time in DEF CON. So being your first time at DEF CON, what are you looking forward to and what actually brought you here in the first place? So we've been running Cloud 3 Podcast for three years and the most exciting place I've been told to hang out for Cloud people is Cloud Village. And yes, we're here. So we definitely want to be here and definitely support people and meet people like yourself as well. And other people in the industry are doing awesome job. And because the thing is, on the internet, there are not a lot of people who are kind of like, oh, well, you talk about Cloud, but you're kind of like, no, I know Ali, but what does that look like in real life? I have no idea. So that this way, I get to meet real people and follow change, not on a Zoom call. That's been the best part. So yeah, that's what I've been looking forward to. Meeting a lot of people, doing the conversations like these is what I'm looking forward to. So you've been here for a little bit. What has been your favorite parts so far about being at DEF CON and what are you looking forward to? Oh my God. There are a number of badges. I feel like I didn't know this was a thing until I came here. And now I'm just like, I'm going to walk into each of the villages and get to collect them. Now I know why there were these pictures for, like everyone hangs these pictures. Like, what are those? And like, oh my God, this is like, I have respect for DEF CON now. Like there's like a new level of respect. I mean, I respect before, but now I'm like, oh, how many can I have these? Like even little things like, if you look at this one, it's a Buddhist chant over there. I was wondering what this was. Yeah. And so I was talking to one of the guys over there and this is a Buddhist chant. And how cool is that? To be able to like have little elements.  So every detail matters kind of like yourself. So, yeah. So that's why I'm like, I really love the fact that they've got battery operated, these things like glowing around, walking around. So yeah, that's what I'm looking forward to. Are you going to do like the, any of the CTFs while you're here? What are you feeling? Yeah, so definitely I want to part, well, as much as I would love to not embarrass myself, I would love to participate in it and not show my results to anyone so that I don't find that three hours later she should still have the same place where you started before. Oh, I feel that. Yeah, apart from just banging my head. I'm like, yeah, but I'm going to give it a shot. I'm going to, I'm not going to, I'm going to try and embarrass myself in private and try and go. Is there any one talk that you're just like, it's your number one must go see, what is that one talk? Ooh, for me, I think there was a talk from Rodrigo, he's from Brazil and there's only a handful of people from Brazil over here. He's talking about AWS AppStream, Amazon AppStream. And that's right in here? Yeah, it's in Clarvillage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, in Clarvillage. So he's got us talk tomorrow and yeah, I'll definitely recommend checking it out. So essentially the reason why it's important is because when you kind of talk about Amazon and everything, everyone talks about the common services and instant response, but he's talking about a service which a lot of people work on but nobody talks about it publicly. Hey, how do you work on this? So I'm curious to see what his research came out with when he did instant response for that. And I'm really curious if I can have him in the podcast as well after that, it'll be pretty awesome, yeah. So where can people find you? How do you want to be found? And what do you want to shout out? I definitely want to shout out Clarvillage. There's a village for girls who hack as well. I saw that walking over here. I thought, definitely recommend that. People should check that out. And I'll definitely, so you can find us on Clarv Security Podcasts on every podcast platform, every YouTube platform or video platform, LinkedIn, YouTube. The website is www.clarvsecuritypodcast.tv. And yeah, the TV, because we're creating our own YouTube for cloud security. And if you want to find me in particular, you can find me at Hashish Rajan, which is same as Hashish, for people who know what that is, Hashish Rajan on Twitter. That's me. And you can find me there. Awesome. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you for having me. This is so exciting. I finally got to meet you as well. Yes, of course, of course. Thank you. Say bye, everyone. Bye.


Keep in mind, Aqee, we are talking about this discussion all this time. What I was talking about is a man staying in these countries. The story changes when it's a mother and kids. Different game, different ball game. What do you mean? How does it change? When you raise children in that mist now, it gets worse. With all those evidences, we're talking about Sahaba Jadid. But if there's one person, the Prophet is giving him pleasure. He's come to me. Now the story changes.  They're nurturing your children for you. Allah, you're going to be questioned on the Day of Judgment because Allah says in the Qur'an, Allah says, those of you who believe, protect yourselves and your families from the Hellfire by taking your children to them.  To the enemies who are going to destroy your child's mind and think him. Why are the Muslim community staying in these countries for? Why do they remain here? The reason for it is Dara'him and Dirham. Not necessary. There's another reason for it. And you brought many Ahadith, many Ayat to support your argument. I want to bring one on my own. And this Hadith is found in the Sahih of Imam Muslim.  And if not, then let him change it with his tongue. And if not, then let him hate it in his heart and that is the weakest of iman. The Prophet said, actually linked the weakest of iman to just hating in his heart. But leaving that and letting the evil take place and actually running away from it and leaving it is even less than even just being there and hating it with your heart. How are you going to say now that the people who are staying here are only doing it for the sake of money? Why can't you make excuses and say, actually they want to change the country because we agree that not everybody will be able to make hijrah. There's always going to be people who fall into that verse who are unable to. Why can't we stay in the West, make it a better place, get politically and actively involved, change the society so we're making it better for those Muslims who have to remain there because they have no choice? I unequivocally disagree with that as well. The reason is because statistics shows the opposite that they're working more on you than you're working on them. They are changing you than you're changing them. They're guiding you to misguidance, then you're guiding them to guidance. A research was done by Coventry University on the 25th of October, 2019. A research was done. This research showed that there are approximately 4,500 Muslim heritage children in care in Britain. It's the UK, not any other country. We can, if I broadened my research and I looked at Europe, for example, or I looked at America, the statistics would be very high. But Britain, there are 4,500 Muslim heritage children in care in Britain. These children are of Muslim. Keep in mind, these are Muslim children. They've been taken from their families and their reason for this is that the child has gone through abuse and neglect, family breakdown, a parent or child's illness or disability and lack of family support. And then they say the vast majority are removed by social services or account of harm or profound risk of harm. This child, they're saying, this child has been taken from his parents maybe because she was forcing him to pray Salah at Fajr time. Maybe because she was abusing him, rightly taken away from the mother, maybe. If the mother was abusing the child in Islam, for those that are Islamic, let's say she was abusing and she was not doing a good job, in Islam, in a Muslim country, who would most likely take care of that child? Another Muslim person. So it's a win-win situation.  Listen to this, this is the most shocking part. The child is taken from the social services, take the child from that parent because of their belief, of course. But by the way, the act of harm and profound risk of harm is nothing compared to what they describe it as. How we Muslims understand it. Now, according to government figures, there are 4,560. So it's more than the research by a college university. Pay attention to this. So since the removal of ethnicity from children and family act 2014 was passed, social workers are no longer required by law to match religion and ethnicity when finding families for children. In other words, this child who's Ahmed, he can be taken care of, an LGBT family. You've gone to them.  You have 4,500 kids. I actually know right now a girl called Safiya. She's been taken care of two men. It's not a case. Again, again, again, look at what we're talking about here. Look, we're talking about a ruling for everybody in the UK, all the Muslims in the UK, for example, even wider than that. And we've taken a sample site of 4,500 people who from them, some of them were taken away from their parents and from them, some of them went into a non-Muslim household. Like you're talking about really small sample sites and using that to say everyone's got to leave the country. No, I'm not saying nothing. By the way, the honor of one Muslim is great to us. Don't dismiss one child. One Muslim child who's taken by a non-Muslim if he hurts our hearts. Today, are you telling me right now, if you saw online a mother crying, I can, well, I can show you extensive videos. Cases I've seen, I've seen mothers come into the mischief to break down because she must have told of one child and all her other remaining children were taken. Of course it would hurt, but I don't base rulings on emotion.  No, I'm not going to tell everyone to leave the country. No, I'm not necessarily a one peculiar situation that has happened, but it gives you the understanding that you don't even own your own children.  This is what I'm coming to. Look what the professor, I said, let's be straight and frank with one another. Our messenger said, you said implementing Islam, right? Implementing Islam. There's a Hadith Abu Dawud narrated. The professor, he said, command your children the Salah when they are seven years of age and discipline them when they are at the age of 10. Let me be even more frank with you. The word doesn't say discipline. Wadribu means be them. Just the other day without no names mentioned, without no names mentioned, a family was about to lose their child. I don't want to tell you, someone very reliable to me told me a family member was about to lose their child. And the social services had this Hadith written on their, they had this written on the case study of this whole situation. You know what happened? The child just went to school. He said to the other child, something about my father will hit me if I do this. The teacher called the social services. They got involved. They were ready to go home and take the entire children from her. Now, what I mean is that I am not in any way shape or form, saying children can be beaten and destroyed and know that that's not what I'm saying. All I'm trying to say to you is that if a parent is not fit to take care of her child, the 2014 act passed by the government states that you no longer, you no longer have the rights to choose where that child goes and who looks care. The whole community can come together and say we want the social services to have their rights to say, we don't want to give it to a Muslim family. Depending on how the social services see fit, they have the, this is a child, your wife has been pregnant for nine months. She's given birth, his name's Abdullah and he's been raised by a non-Muslim.  The prophet told us in a hadith, Al-Imam Muslim narrated, he said, If the children of Adam pass away, their actions are all disconnected, except three. Sadaqat-in-jaria, an ongoing Sadaqat that you give or carry on your righteous deeds for you. Or a knowledge that you have benefited others which they benefited from. You left behind beneficial knowledge for the people. Or you left behind a noble child, a righteous child that makes supplication and dua'a and invokes on Allah Ta'ala for you. I'm saying these children who were nurtured in this environment, Islamic history, pay attention to this, we've never seen anyone who changed Islamic history, who was nurtured by the non-Muslims or who grew up in the midst of the non-Muslims. We've never seen that. Rather, the qa'idah is manshabba ala shay'in-shabba ali. Anyone who grew up upon something most likely turns out to be that thing. Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wassalam, the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wassalam, his parents were non-Muslims. He changed the whole entire dunya when he came from a family of non-Muslims. Ibrahim alayhi salam, his father.  The companions, many of them came from non-Muslim households. How can you say that statement? Again, the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wassalam was a total exception of the situation because he's guided by Allah Subhanahu wa ta'ala and he was chosen by Allah Ta'ala. And by the way, he wasn't nurtured by his mother or father. None of them nurtured him. They both died when the Prophet was young. His father died when he was in his mother's womb and his mother died when he was only six years of age. So the Prophet alayhi salam, keep it in mind that the world that we're talking about today, again, this is another point that you just reminded me, JazakAllah alayhi wa ta'ala, which is the West, it's not a conflict or a clash of just religion. It's not. It's also a clash of morality. I mean, Quraish, there were things that they held on to. Even though the Mushriki and idol worshippers, they called them to other than Allah, which was a clash of religion, there were things that they held on to, which were good morals. They also had bad morals, like burying the daughters alive. I'm not dismissing that. They wanted to... The UK also have good morals. No, but UK... It's the same situation. Yeah, but this is my point. The West today have, we have an issue of morality and dignity issue against them. For example, homosexuality. It's an issue of morality. It's an issue of religion. No, put a religion aside. A Christian who's not got a religion in our eyes will say, this is despicable. It's abhorrent. No, we don't accept it. Because it's religion tells him. There are secular people who come up to you today who don't believe in religion, don't believe in God. Who will say, this act does not make sense. It's filthy to me. It's an issue of fitla, as we previously mentioned in our podcast.  His suluq gets destroyed. His morality, his muruq is killed. And also what? His religion. His religion killed. I just want to show you how scary it is. There was a brother in the UK who had a child. His child is literally mental. So he takes his child, they inject him, they give him medicine. His father holds him down.  His child is insane. So he went to the doctors to visit the doctor, sat in front of the doctor and the doctor. So the father's holding his son. Just doesn't want the time to get a needle or jump out of the window or destroy something. So he's holding him down. The doctor says, let him go. Because what do you mean? If I let him go, he's going to, he's nuts. I'm his brain, basically. I'm the one who holds him down. He goes, no, you think this is Africa? What do you think you are? He's a free man. You could choose what he wants. Yeah, I heard that I had to wear out that level of... Okay. You know. Okay. You brought some very strong language. I want to go back to my question. Let me rephrase it in a perhaps a better way. The Hadith I quoted about whoever sees an evil, let him change it with his hands, his tongue, his head, his heart. The Prophet's have never said whoever sees an evil, run away. Yeah, okay. That's my point. He said, change it. Let's stay here and change it. Let's work on this society. The overwhelming majority of Muslims, the Hadith of The overwhelming majority of Muslims, in the UK are not learned enough to even identify what is a munkar or not. You're talking about laymen. You're talking a general mass. That's what I said to you initially. A more fruitful discussion would be kind of du'at. Talabatul ilm, go to these Western countries to get da'wah. Let's talk about that then. That would be a discussion and a point to look at. Lakin ad-da'i, to take his family, his children, and to live in these countries. There's a Kitab, I just decided, Ben, if I want to encourage people to read. There's a sheikh, his name is Sheikh Mohammed Ibn Abdul-Ahli As-Subayl. He was the Khatib, and he was the Imam of the Khatib of Masjid al-Haram, and he was the member of the Islamic senior scholar, the committee of senior scholars in Saudi Arabia. And he was also the Khatib and the Imam of Masjid al-Haram. By the way, when that time, when the so-called false Mahdi was taken over the Ka'ba, he was actually the man leading the prayer who had to be taken out of the Masjid with a hijab to cover him and take him out. It was Sheikh Mohammed Ibn Abdul-Ahli As-Subayl. Sheikh Mohammed Ibn Abdul-Ahli As-Subayl has a Kitab called, Hukm-ud-Tajannus, Bijinsiyyati Dawlatin Ghayri Islamiyah. It's a very important book, I think it's worth reading. He talks about the ruling of taking citizenship from a country that is not Muslim. He breaks this issue down. And he brings it back to the first point that we were talking about, the issue of Al-Wala and Al-Baraa. We think right now, we actually think that why are they not allowing us to practice our religion the way we want? Why are they questioning our method of disciplining our children? It's because of the fact that they believe they've given your children citizenship. They're the ones who educate your children. Some, a large number of Muslims, Somali, Pakistani, whatever ethnicity they are, government gives them a handout, handout and gives them money. All of this gives them the entitlement of wanting to feel like they have rights to choose for your children what they can or can't do. So tell me that, means a person who can see the munkar and they can stop it. I'm talking about people who are saying, what's wrong with a non Muslim? Why does a non Muslim have to go to the hellfire? No, that's not everyone, that's not fair. Because I'm saying, talking about people who might see pubs in the UK, people drinking, they know alcoholism munkar, they know it's wrong.  They don't have the ability, but the very least they can work on something to get them to try and rectify this. Is it fair to say that there is? Is there running away? Is it fair to say? Is it fair to say? Like sometimes, you know, some things are just, well, as the poet said, well, he says, it's not befitting for the mind if the sun needs proof, the sun over there, I have to prove it to you. So it can be seen. In the UK, you and I both know the largest crime rate that's taking place right now is done by who? The Muslims. The Muslims. Yeah. I mean, I always say, I don't know about the largest, but yeah. What munkar are they gonna? Disproportionate. The largest is the Muslim community. Okay, what munkar are they going to stop? They can stop all the things like alcohol.  I know these statements, I'm gonna say, it's gonna probably offend some people, but I had a conversation with one guy who was extremist. He was a right wing who believed Muslims are here to take over the UK. I said, you think high of us, man. I said, you really think high of us, man, to think that we want to take over the UK. We can't even take over our own households. Parents, I went to Canada and I was very emotional when I went to Canada. I, for the first time, I saw with my own two eyes. I haven't seen that in the UK, by the way. I saw in Canada kids carrying cartons of alcohol on the lift going home and their mother has reached a level where she sets in the fridge a section for him. Muslims. Muslim Somali mothers. Setting a part of the fridge and saying to them, this section is yours, put your alcohol here. And when I spoke to my mother, I said, why are you doing that? She said, I prefer that he does it here than he does it outside because someone's going to murder him. Someone's going to kill him. He's on the streets. I might as well just tell him, have it, but in your room, come out, take it. She locks the fridge for him. I said that. The point is that the communities, the Muslim communities, the way that they have become only Allah knows. Subhanahu wa ta'ala. I'll tell you something else that shocked me. The rate of abortions that are done by teens, Muslim teens, Amina, Fatima, Nafisa, all these Muslim names that you see who are going to the NHS to get abortions done and it's 17, 18, 19. I know a girl who hasn't reached, I want to say the age is so scary. She hasn't reached the age of puberty in the UK. And for the first time I ever heard, I didn't even know this existed. What they call sugar daddy. A man owns that young girl, Muslim. He owns her. Wallahi, she has not reached the age of consent. He owns her. He's a 40 year old man, married, non-Muslim, kafir, not even a Muslim. He owns her, he gives her money, every month he puts money in her account. Every month she comes over to him. This is Haditha Wallahi. And to be honest, over the years of giving da'wah, I came to the conclusion, it might be a very harsh conclusion, but I came to the conclusion now. The da'wah in the UK is, it is damage controlled. It's not stopping what's going to happen. The people, what you gain from there and what you lose, what you lose is more. Okay, you're talking about the do'at now. Let's talk about the do'at because the prophetic tradition is not to run away from the lands of the non-Muslims, but it's actually to send people into them. Like the Prophet, Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, send Mu'ad ibn Jabal. Let me just conclude that before you move on to this one. There was a man who killed 99 people. The Prophet told us in the Haditha Imam al-Bukhari, narrated in the Haditha Abisa'id al-Khudri, Inna abdan qatala tis'at al-wan tis'ina nafsah, a man killed 99 people, thumma aradat lahut tawbah, then he wanted to repent. So he asked about fa'sala an a'lami ahli al-arzi, he asked for the most knowledgeable of people. Fadullah al-arajulid, then he was to go to that man. Fa'atahu, he came to the man and he told him, the man was a worshipper. He said, Inna qatala tis'at al-wan tis'ina nafsah, I killed 99 people. Fa'ali min tawbah, can I, would I have any repentance? I wanna repent. And the man said to him, Ba'at al-tis'at al-wan tis'ina nafsah, after 99 people you killed. You wanna repent? The man took out his sword, he made him 100. Fa'akmalabihil mi'ah, 100 people now he's killed. I don't know on this, I've never met anyone who killed 100 people. I've never met anyone who killed 100 people. This man killed 100 people. Then he asked about fa'sala, he asked an a'lami ahli al-arzi, the most knowledgeable of people. By the way, this man struggled to find somebody knowledgeable. Worship on this has been pushed towards. So then what happened, Fadullah al-arajulid, he was pointed towards a man, this man was a knowledgeable man. He said, Inna qatala tis'ina nafsah, I now killed 100. Fa'ali min tawbah, do I have repentance? He said, When your hulu bayna qawabayna tawbah, who's stopping you from repentance? You can repent if you want to. But the first thing he instructed him is what?  In al-qariya tus'aliahati, go to that land, the honorable land. Fa'bud rabbaka fiyah, worship your Lord over there. And this is not the place you can do it. The abid remit, the scholar is in this land, but he's telling him leave. You shouldn't be here. Because you leave this land. The man, he made a decision. Fa'arajah yuridu al-qariya tus'aliahati, he left to go to that blessed land. Fa'arabah lahu ajaluhu, death came to him. Fitt tariqi waal he was walking. Fa'khtasamat fihi malaikatu l-rahma wa malaikatu l-adab. This dispute now between the two angels, the angel of mercy and the angel of punishment. Then Iblis said, An'a awla bihi. Iblis said, Iblis said, he's mine, he's mine. He said, this man never disobeyed me for even a second. Every time I told him to do something, he did it. So he's mine. Fa'alit malaikatu l-rahma, the angel of mercy, he said, he's mine. Inna hu kharajah ta'iban. This man came out repenting. And then Allah, pulled the earth in favor of him. An'i, what saved that man? His hatred. Leaving that land.


The Cavalcade of America, presented by DuPont. Last Saturday, 150,000 people from all parts of the nation passed to the portals of the great pageant of the Pacific on the opening day of the 1939 San Francisco World Fair. Here, on man-made treasure island in beautiful San Francisco Bay, approximately 20 million people are expected to visit the towers and palaces in this wonderland of the new west. I wonder how many of these people will recall the days when the great empire on the shores of the Pacific was being built by men of vision and courage. One of these daring American frontiersmen was the colorful Indian scout Kit Carson. It is his trail that we follow on the Cavalcade of America tonight. Many songs have been inspired by the land of Kit Carson, by the vast lonely prairies of the west. And as our overture tonight, Don Voriz and the DuPont Cavalcade Orchestra play one of the most popular melodies of the romantic west. Carry me back to the lone prairie. For his life practically spanned the whole spectacular story of the old west. Kit was born in Madison County, Kentucky on Christmas Eve of the year 189. But while he was still a baby, his parents loaded their household goods into a covered wagon and moved down west to Franklin, Howard County, Missouri. The first step in Kit's lifelong restless pilgrimage. He grew up on the edge of the Indian country and learned to shoot and ride almost as soon as he could walk. By the time he was 17, he'd been working for two years as apprentice in a saddler shop. Kit didn't like it much. It was too confining, but he had his dreams. I thought you would.  You don't like sitting around here in the store now, do you? No, I don't, Pa. Here, if you were still alive, there's lots we could do together. You need to be opened up. They'll be calling it a new empire for a long. Those great frontiers out there. You've got to lead the new settlers on the right road on Kingdom Commonback. Sounds all right to me, Pa. You'll be too dog-gone busy to settle down yourself. Don't forget what I said. I've got to be getting back to myself. I'm waiting for you to get started. Stick along with me. I've got a lot I want to ask you, Pa. I got you. Oh, man, boy, what was your mumbling about, anyhow? I'm sorry. I guess I was asleep. Your boss wouldn't care none for that middle of the afternoon like this. Got the saddleman to get? Oh, Mr. Martin, yes, sir, your saddle's ready. All right, give her here. Where you going, Mr. Martin? Santa Fe. I sure like to go along with you, Mr. Martin. Santa Fe. A boy like you? Why, Santa Fe's 800 mile away. I know. That's why I want to go. It's west. I'm serious, Mr. Martin. Honest I am. See, I'd work hard, too. And what would your boss think about that? You're his bound apprentice. I've got to get out west. Yeah, I reckon your father wouldn't like it much, youngster. My father wouldn't mind. How old are you, anyway? Right now, 17. This to me like you'd never get your full growth, son. Mr. Martin, you've got to take me. All right, boy. But we've got to see about it that quick. We're leaving at age. This is hereby given to all persons. That Christopher Carson, a boy about 16 years old, small of his age, but thick-set, light hair, ran away from the subscriber living in Franklin, Howard County, Missouri, to whom he'd been bound to learn the Sadler's trade on or about the 1st of September. All persons are notified not to harbor, support, or assist, said boy, under penalty of the law. One cent reward will be given to any person who will bring back the said boy. October 6, 1826, David Workman, Franklin, Missouri. But kids with his restless spirit was on his way. 800 miles to Santa Fe, 800 miles of cloudbursts, blizzards, and dust storms, 800 miles of stampeding buffalo, of wolves, of raiding Indians, 800 miles of rivers and gullies, of forests and plains, and then down into Santa Fe lumbered the caravan, down into the enchanted city with its ancient governor's palace, its public inns, its cottonwood and locust trees, where guitars were softly strung behind adobe walls, where church bells toll the hours, and colorful crowds gathered in the sun-baked plaza, then up to the little town of Tower. With his wages in silver, his hair slicked down, he and his friend William Bent set out to see the town. And in a little cafe, I'm always glad to get back to Tower to meet a powerful lot of nice folks here, kid. Yeah, I reckon you can. Well, we've been in this place long enough. Let's go somewhere else. Bill! Hey, Bill! Well, anyway, thank you. Ain't you a young old? You ain't how I want you to meet Kid Cox.  I might be proud to meet one of the mountain men. Haven't been back to Missouri, have you, Ian? Nope. Reckon I'll never go back east again. This suits me. I've been trapping up in the mountains. Say, it was pretty fine, Bill. Ain't you tired of living here with all these Spaniards and Mexicans? You better come on back to Bent's fort with me and Kid. Now, wait a minute, Bill. I ain't so sure I want to leave town. Hey, say this. Fine freightin' at the fort, cousin. Hey, Kid, you hear what you intend? Who's that girl dancing up there? Oh, so that's why you don't want to leave town. Oh, I never said that. Say, throw your hat out on the floor. If she dances on it, you're the favorite. Yeah, I gave you this who you had out there, Kid. Hey, Bill, come on, Sonic. You shouldn't have done that. Now we'll see if she does. My brand new hat. Why'd you do it? Dancing on your hat, cousin. How do you like that? You'd better stop. You're sapplin' on the brim. Oh, cousin will never leave town now. I like to get that hat back. I thought you wanted to go somewhere else tonight. Oh, thank you, ma'am. Josef, this here is Kid Carson. Kid? Kid, not kid. Christopher, I reckon. But he's so young, and I thought... As a matter of fact, he doesn't like your dancing at all. You don't like the dance? Oh, now listen, pal. He said you trampled on the brim. You, Josef. Oh, I didn't mean that. He wants to go somewhere else tonight. He said so. Well, I guess I don't know anything about these things, ma'am.  No, never mind them. You stay with her safe, sir. We will walk outside, eh? I'd like that. You'll stay in town, won't you, senior chief? Well, I hadn't been figurein' on it, but now... Wouldn't you like to come with us, sir, Carson? With a mountain, ma'am? Yeah. Quite a parcel, obviously. Startin' out on an expedition tomorrow, the next day. Where you goin'? Heela Mountain. We're huntin' beaver. West, you goin' west, huh? Yep. Always did want to get further out. Well, let's get goin' yet. Come on! Come on! Senior chief, you said you'd stay, chief. You want me to? Yes. Yes, I do, senior chief. Well, ma'am, I gotta get further west. I'll be back, though. Yes. You'll come back to Towers, senior chief. You'll remember, Josefa? I sure will. I won't be long. I promise. So, keep left Towers and Josefa. Proud of his new role as a mountain man. In Kitt's mind, the highest honor in that wild and tactless land. A few days later, the band of trappers were making camp one afternoon. Young confessed to him that hunting beaver wasn't the only purpose of the expedition. Uh, Kitt, I, uh, I got something to tell you, boy. Yes, sir? Ed Bailey's been out scottin'. He just rolled back in to tell me he'd seen Indians.  No, sir. But I ain't afraid.  Of course, we're hunting beaver after a fashion if we come across any. But first and foremost, Kitt, uh, we're after apaches. Well, that's why you give me a skin and knife. Sure thing. There's any scalp and you might as well be in on it. We're as good at taking hair as any Indians. You see, these apaches around Salt River's been making trouble. Killed about 20 of our mountain men last year. We're out to punish them, that's all. Hey, you and her comin'. Watch yourself now, Kitt. Watch yourself. They're ridin' to attack. I'll watch myself with the young... Seems like I heard that drum somewhere, sir. Gentlemen and our boys, they're ridin' fast. I remember now. That's first, Ed Bailey. You always do flick on the trigger. Sir, I started it. We learned here enough to do some photo for your fire, Kitt. I wait for the young. That was quick work. We'll look out for them again tomorrow unless they come back tonight. Why, what you doin', Kitt? Puttin' a brass tack in my old rifle stock. This here is my father's gun. I brought some tags along just in case I could decorate it up. That was my first engine. With delight, Kitt learned that Ewing Young was blind to push up right on to California. The restless spirit of the boys stirred within him once more. Only 18 men were picked for this long trek. But Kitt was one of them. The others were sent home. Even the Arizona desert, days without water, almost without food, couldn't dampen the boys' enthusiasm. And he was dazzled by his first sight of the Grand Canyon. At last, pushing westward, the little company reached San Jose in California. By now, they really were trapping people. But the Mexican authorities do still... Reminding the Americanos that they were there without permission. Well, I don't know, Kitt, looks like we might have trouble with these Mexicans. They act like we was an invading army. They've been treating us pretty mean since we got here. A couple of rancheros have been all right. One of them even asked me to drink some wine yesterday. Maybe it was your personal charm, Kitt.  They don't like to learn Spanish. He's such bad fellas, once you get to know him. Well, I'm cursed if I'm going to pull out on a kind of a few scowls. If they want to make trouble, let them try it. Hey, what's up over there? That's the mayor of the town, ain't it? I'll go over and see. All right, Kitt, watch out for him. What's the matter, friends? Señor, los indios es loco. Molista las casas con cueco. Maniola es exuelto. Somos los caballos es promos. Hey, young, come here. What's up, Kitt? I think the Mission Indians is out on a rampage. Burn down two houses. Out for scalps. He says they're stowing some horses. Scape their own tribe back in the hills. Think we ought to help out some, Kitt? I sure do. I'll find a few of our boys and go out after them. Bring them killers back. See you, ladies. I'm going for my horses. Señor, you go for us? Yeah, he goes for you. Señor, we Mexicanos have made a big mistake. We are very sorry. You stay with us as long as you like. After staying in California for a few months, a new longing stirred in Kitt's vagabond heart calling him back to town. To the warm, colorful little town that was home to him. And there he married Josefa Jalameo. And always Josefa dreamed that his roving spirit would be soothed, that his restless heart would tire of danger and wandering.  He was through with trailblazing forever. He bought oxen and plow and told his friends that he'd settle down. And it was joy in the heart of Josefa.  Happy. Well, sure, honey. I'd like to know why not. No, each time before you ever said that you were content, my Kitt. But then you have listened to the thunder of horses and gone to wait the mountain to the wind. No, I'm here to stay. Once and for all, I'm through with all that roving, Josefa. And you will be happy just to stay here at town with me. Yeah, honey, with you, sure. Sometimes there ain't much action around here, of course, but I always liked ours. You see, I remember the last time that kind of friend was here. No, I'm finished with him, too. He's a wonderful man and safer. Oh, but his explorations take too dark on much time. I got a home now in responsibility. There's someone in the room. Well, I'll go out and see who it is. Yeah, what is it? Oh, hello, Kitt. A letter for you, Kitt. Yeah, we just brought dinner down. Oh, thanks, Kitt. I had some grubs? No, I'll be getting home. Bye, Kitt. Bye. All right, it's funny. Bright official looking letter from the government or something. What is it, my teeth? Leaping buffaloes from Fremont. Oh. Going on another of them expeditions. Can you imagine, said he needs me? Is that fellow crazy? Is it if I give up farming? Farming up at Dense Forest. Heading for California by way of Great Salt Lake. Taken 40 good planesmen, but he needs a scout. You don't want to go, do you, my Kitt? Well, of course not. Well, what did I be doing that for? Says they're bound to be trouble soon between us and Mexico. And California is going to be right in the thick of it. Listen to me, Kitt. We ought to be there, Kitt. There'll be plenty happening. It seems to me, my Kitt couldn't affirm that he's looking always for trouble. Oh, no, you can't say that, exactly. Honey, don't you forget how we surveyed the Rockies and I'll never forget crossing the sea and the valleys with Fremont to get to Sardis Fort. Those are pretty good days we had together. Yeah. Yes, my Kitt, I suppose they were. Well, save her. Yes, Kitt. Now, if I did go, just this time, just to help out a friend, you... Oh, Kitt. Well, now, honey, don't look at me like that. You will leave me. I know. Well, if I go, it'll be the last time. The last time was safer. Of course, he went, and in California, both Kitt and Fremont found all the excitement they were looking for. They had a good deal to do with securing California's independence. Next, we find Kitt on his way east to Washington from California in the spring of 1848. His saddlebags full of mail and official dispatches to the White House. He and his companions, some army men, have come as far as the Grand River in Utah. The river is a raging torrent. Slowly, Kitt Carson and his men launch their frail raft into the seething river. Cautiously, they propel themselves mid-stream, whirled and buffeted by slashing sheets of foam, and at last they reach the opposite shore and hurry on to the port. The great stockade gate creaks open. Hi, Kitt. Well, I'm so glad to see you again. I suppose you're heading back east. That's right, Tom. The mailbag is mighty precious on this trip. I've got a suspicion they're carrying a lot of news about the discovery of that gold in California. All right. Fair say, Kitt. That reminds me. A couple of fellows here the other day were in a couple of letters for you. You've been to Taos. Oh, sorry I missed it. You heard you'd be passing through left the letters with me. I said I'd give them to you. Got them in my pocket. There you are. Well, thanks, Tom. Well, this one here is from Jack Taylor. It was on the farm next to mine. It says my sheep are doing fine. I ought to get home for the shearing. Yeah. All right, my sheep must be sheared, but now I thought it was written quite a while ago. Yeah, who's the other one from? Yeah, let's see. Oh, it's from Joe. Works my farm for me. He says, Kitt, what's the matter? Oh, it's safer. Come on inside, Kitt. I'll get you something. Oh, it's safer. The lonely Taos to which Kitt ultimately returned. After a few years, he was appointed Indian agent from New Mexico and made a good one. When the Civil War started, Kitt promptly enlisted with the Union forces in the west and was promoted to the right of Brigadier General. After the war, he came back once again to Taos, aging now and troubled by an old injury received on a hunting trip years before. Somehow Kitt knew he hadn't much longer to live. The old tough-spin-dominable spirit was still there. General Carson, sir? Oh, Kitt Carson will still do for me, son. What can I do for you? I'm the son of Frank Mason, sir. Do you remember him? Frank Mason. Well, sure I do. California. He went back east years ago. He left his heart out here, though. When I wanted to come west, he gave me this letter to you. I had just arrived in New Mexico. I'm mighty pleased to see you, boy. Never you mind no letter. Frank Mason's son, huh? That good scrapper he was. Smart little horses, too. Yes, sir. So you think you'll try the west, huh? Well, the west's changing pretty fast. What's your aim to do out here, son? Anything I can find to do at first. Of course, later on, I'd like to get into transportation when the railroad comes through. Yeah. That's the next step in it. It would interest the young fellows, naturally. And don't you get roving too much, though? Roving? No, I mean following trails until you don't know how to stop. I did too much of that. If you do, you'll never have a home. General, you oughtn't feel that way. Look at the homes you've made possible for all the new settlers. Thousands of them. It'll be millions, aren't they? Maybe. Wandering is hard on the women folk. I wish I'd spent a little more time with my horse safer. Oh, I tried to, but somehow I always had to be on the move. Remember how she cried the last time I left her? I never saw her again. No, I'm sorry. Well, the old days of the west, they're gone. Son, you go ahead and do the thing, Jane, to do. I had the old west, and now you'll have the new. But remember, it's still got to be built. I reckon I wouldn't understand the new west very well. The young men who are coming out, they will. I'm satisfied to have known it as it was. A symbolic figure representing the old pioneers who blazed trails over the west and from whose camp fire dust a thousand cities arose. The legends and memories of Kit Carson, the great frontiersmen, form an immortal chapter of a vanished era in the cavalcade of America. That's a rise deal with another story of the far west. Last Saturday marked the opening of the San Francisco 1939 World's Fair on 400 acre treasure island in San Francisco Bay, the largest island ever created by man. 20 million people are expected to visit Treasure Island in 1939. 20 million people who will thrill to the side of the towers and countless exhibits in this pageant of the Pacific. In the homes and garden building facing the great court and World's Fair tower, every phase of housing and home planning is displayed in vast indoor and outdoor exhibits. And outstanding among the exhibits in this building is the wonder world of chemistry presented by DuPont. This exhibit is a cavalcade of science, fascinating marvels from the chemist laboratory. The methods of research behind some of the most spectacular DuPont achievements are shown with the amazing apparatus of chemistry performing before your eyes. There you see steps in the manufacture of transparent film, the process of making exotic perfumes and a rainbow of dyes from coal, methods of making plastic products, and the way Chinaware is decorated. A visual demonstration of DuPont's new sink and float process shows how coal is separated from slate and other minerals from rock. There's a dramatic presentation of neoprene. Man-made rubber. A clever diorama pictures the construction of the Grand Coulee Dam. Another shows a scale reproduction of a Hollywood movie set. And tiny mannequins strut across the stage of a miniature fashion show displaying smart dresses made from DuPont ray on yarn.  I hope that all of you will have the pleasure of visiting this fair to say nothing of having the great experience of making a trip through the Rocky Mountain States and to beautiful California. In a later broadcast, we'll tell about the New York World's Fair where there will be another wonder world of chemistry exhibit. Both of these DuPont exhibits will stir your imagination. They give you a glimpse of the future, a promise of the better living that chemical research is planning for all of us in the days that lie just ahead. And the simplest description of all is found in the words of the DuPont pledge, better things for better living through chemistry. Next week, the Cavalcade of America will present the story of one of our own musical masters, a man whose music is known to us all, George Gershwin. So until next week then at the same time, Mrs. Thomas Jalmer saying good night and best wishes from DuPont. This is the Columbia Broadcasting System.