s are that bad. They're terrible They're like horrendously bad. They should get relegated dude. Go to vegas already Stop torturing the poor people of oakland Those are super hot right now Castillo for volpe. I mean that that sounds like a pretty realistic trade honestly I don't want to get rid of volpe. Did you see how like hot and cold louise castillo is like That's the problem though is like This time of year I don't know man. Those guys get like a premium like if you don't trade for those guys in the off-season No, everybody who didn't like all the teams that were in talks of trading for castillo and didn't look like fools now And that's like the Yankees had that that class basically we were talking earlier I was hoping the red socks to do it Then you hope the Yankees do it last year because his value was down But he still had team control and he's still young still got good stuff No, he's like I really like louis castillo. I wanted to trade for louis castillo years ago years ago You know what I think should happen The uh, the tiger should trade for a mere garret or the royal should trade for hobby buyers Those guys had to be on the same team And then keep a camera with them at all times Tommy fam and jock peterson same thing that'd be pretty that'd be pretty fun I want to be in the tommy fam and jock peterson fantasy football league I do not know I do not know all that for castillo straight up Oh Man are you in this one right here? Who could you even trade doll back for currently?  I guess Eight of the takin that's for sure Okay, twice Edward w heart would be Q Doll back for vado make it happen No To be fair though at least vado is a sure hand at first To be fair He's first Yeah, he's not quite ready. He's the only an ankle injury now I they just should not bring him up to this team. They should bring up no more players He's already playing breaker next week. That's true Excited for nt basketball next week Probably the biggest basketball release.  He's still got like a three-something. You are right. I think All right, enough chris w chuck D He just had to tighten his pants a little more now. He's like amazing. They've k twice We gotta we gotta buck this trend for him, man Justin D kevin b matt m Matthew b Matthew a miles h twice for mars I want another like Mowgli night Yeah, that's true I'm glad too mike because they would have gotten absolutely nothing for him. All right, let's do the random before Uh, 21 22 prison basketball hobby three bucks number 17 random teams. Good luck 11 times nt basketball, I would think tomorrow or sunday one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 miles h down to dave k and 11 times on the teams one two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 Blazers heat on down to mavericks First it was uzi stealing all the brakes now brayston stealing all the brakes Someone's got to take uzi spot Miles h blazers heat west l hawks jason h pistons remars t bulbs jordan k hornets Matthew be magic jesson d bulls jordan k sixers jeffrey h pacers shon b thunderdilu clippers Hyeong qi selthix bryan f grizzlies ryan b nets chris w rockets edward w calves dav k wizards Sackle k bucks matthew a kings chuck d suns jazz Uh matt m nicks harper b spurs miles h nuggets kevin b lakers tray h warriors jeffrey h raptors Invicta pelicans and dave k maves get the results posted we'll start in just a moment Three to go on flawless now guys just three teams left Uh, it was just what the texans and pats texans and pats left on nt guys. Let's get that filled up. They're both on sale Oh, no, just the pats left now just the patriots on sale for nt Yeah, you can tweet it I'll get in chat got a pulse Invicta big scion right here Yeah texan sold an nt and flawless someone's get that mills mafia A hunt form two to go on flawless now too. Wow Almost sold out for the night guys not 32 too And personals are full more group breaks and personals available for tomorrow if you don't see what you're looking for So more basketball more baseball whatever maybe check out the schedule guys nt releases wednesday I would expect breaks to get posted tomorrow or sunday Do not know specifically when You got brad doing release night. I'll be doing release day. Then you guys got brad doing release night. That's kind of crazy Wednesday Yeah, the logo man monster himself is coming in Just top of the line. He's doing wednesday day Everybody forced here ripping 21 22 prism basketball hobby three bucks number 17 random team style I'll leave the results on screen for you. You can always find them late in sports cards dot com Thank you for joining everybody and good luck Table crooked We're breaking on the side of a hill they didn't even level before I built it with the hill orange wave wizards thomas bryant to 60 Key on johnson base rookie springer silver pacers germain o'neill hyper chris haps porzingis mavericks What do you what do you mean will? Yeah, what's in your cart? Well, and whatever shows him the cart is is the actual price ruby wave nicks emmanuel quickly red rookie hornets jt thore to 299 He's gonna get released evan nobly rookie base tray man silver for the magic tarence ross blue for the pistons kelly ullinick It's a 1 99. That's like a that's atrocious. That's like it's not even words that uh, how bad that is That stinks Ruby wave rockets rookie jail and green Nice hit rockets Beautiful card there with the color match get that one magged Bucks hyper chris middleton silver for the clippers sergi baka silver prismatic ben simon sixers Pistons base autoreshied wallace Corey kissford base rookie for the wizards Pulsar netch jason kid Red prism netch james hard of the 299. No, that's true. Like it's like you want to like him, but it's just it's so hard When he's that bad chris duarte pacers Purple color match king's rookie nimi eskita to 99 Cavaliers base auto carlos boozer. It's like trevor story too Yeah, it hasn't been good at all Strikeout rates high too bones highland rookie for the nuggets silver rookie thunder jmi robinson url Hyper grizzlies rookies. I your williams off center top bottom Like he's working hard and he's talking to media every night. You know, he's owning everything I don't know. I still I like the deal long term still. I just I don't know. Yeah Getting a full off season. We'll see tremer if you're the third silver magic, uh chuma okiki purple ice maves bobon marjanovic to 149 75 years jazz rudiko bear And also like he's still in above average even like as he is right now pretty above average second baseman It's pretty fair in a second base around the league for the most part. He got like labor Jimenez um There's not a lot like really good ones offensively ruby wave lakers malik monk hyper sonics gary patin The one with the thunder He can murray is like killing it right now in the summer league He went number four right? Yeah, got lamello iota sumu. Apparently a lot of teams thought he was like the second Yeah, silver two silver mabs christaps borzingis silver mindset nets kd Which isn't like too surprising He's good working company again No idea he can murray come from iowa's any of chat know that off Anyone with a google next to them know how to uh We're little we're a little tied up but Ben caro has been nice excited to see him All the big guys have been pretty solid uh honestly Yeah I mean they showed it summer league silver moses moody warriors rookie Nice hyper france vogner. There you go magic prime magnifrons Surprising you're just so good without deedy gregorius, dude got jail in green rookie Ruby wave celtics josh richardson orange for the magic rj hampton Out of 49 So good Silver hawks dominique wilkins hyper pacers miles turner Seems like they let them go at the right time now. Yeah, I guess They really haven't had a shortstop since then now Pulsar sixers dwelling bead Miles Mcbride nicks rookie 75th anniversary to 75 everyone disappears as soon as you start asking questions Hey on johnson Silver for the blazers anthony simons rockets red daniel tice to 299 There was like a thumbprint on one of these cards That might come off of that quickly. It's not doing damage though. Yeah, probably won't come off Try murphy ruby wave pacers chris duarte rookie hyper celtics danish shrewder Yeah guys just uh the pats left an nc football tonight they're on sale I imagine it's the pats and flawless as well plus another team Katelyn johnson silver rockets jay shuntate prismatic silver nicks julius randall Hornets base auto pj washington jr. Jags and pats Jags and pats up and follows big teams up guys pats an nt patch jags of flawless Last three spots for the night shengoon Blue ice the mar de rose and there you go bulls to 125 nice de mar silver for the nicks and manual quickly Purple jazz color match john stockton to 99 Tumbo Bantan ruby wave magic is robin lopez Nets hyper kevin durant net silver paul milsap Silver fearless tray young hawks scotty barns base rookie for the raptors commingo warriors base rookie red prism rookie nets kessler edwards at 299 And magic jayland sucks rookie base auto magic doing very well Nice That's the one I was thinking of sam this human torch T sizzle Whoa, whoa, whoa, it's not just throw the T sizzle nickname round for any buddy By who do you think Tarris marshal jr Hyper jayland brown prismatic selphix Thunder josh giddy Rookie sensational signatures base auto Big hit okc I don't even think of it. You could have not you could have not done it either like I would have not known All right. Did you get the thunder? Silver for the raptors gore and draugage Hyper calves kevin love I mean, that's an awesome hit. Yeah, it might be a hit on the right Definitely the auto of the break so far His value is pretty darn high actually Pulsar selphix reggie lewis blue magic tarence ross T sizzle the Who's T sizzle thrill sucks? Yes I was trying to think I was like who would sam be like Defending so hard Just a nickname Silver Royce O'Neill jazz orange wave bucks ray allen the 60 Evan moblie base rookie calves Tray man, Trayanna boston. That reminds me of when um Minka fits patrick trademark the name fits magic when he was on the same team as ryan fits patrick. We're like, what are you doing, dude?  Clown move by a really good player silver wilt chamberlain warriors Silver mindset blazers. Jamie Lillard a grizzly silver auto tony allen Spent some legend right there He says old Tony Yes, that's what I've been saying this whole time anybody with tea tim harnaway jr. T sizzle Blue ice calves call on sackson it's 125 Mcbride and zekarowski Tobias Harris yeah silver lakers rustle westbrook hyperd bucks dante de Vicenzo Austin Reeves ruby wave carouselvert pacers The 75 robert williams the third 75th anniversary for the seas the Celtics For those of you that I don't know the lingo silver for the clippers eric bledso red bucks jordan noir to 299 I think davis 75 years josh giddy bass and jalen suggs bass Yeah, I mean if you get thunder, you're definitely really only looking for one guy I mean they have some other rookies that are decent, but it's him, you know Ruby wave nuggets monty morris hyper magic jalen suggs magic have done very well, man Honestly, the three boxes. Jeez silver bowls rookie iota sumo there you go bowls silver prismatic paul george for the clips pervert jones toscano anderson All right quick recap for everybody here Good stuff. This we got tony allen silver auto pj washington jr. Miles Mcbride. That was 75th anniversary nicks there boozer cabs auto rachid Wallace pistons silver Terrence ross For the magic made the recap in the blue Made the recap Sam's been sipping on something over there. I don't know what it is The hyper rookie magic franz Wagner Ruby wave jalen green rockets rookie Jalen suggs bass rookie auto and a josh giddy bass rookie auto. That'll do it. Thanks again everybody. We've got more prism coming up That was good. Honestly the people wanted to see the Terrence ross I mean the color match I do like the color match. Yeah, no the blue is nice for sure I was like in his card values that I was checking on eBay. I was like, oh my god I did not expect to see what I saw He's I would argue he's up there with like mobley barn. Yeah Or mobley kade green. Yeah, he's a hard pole for bass rookies too. I feel like I feel like we pull more of like you pull more like mobley than the blue shot giddies I might be right. I have no idea. I haven't paid attention to much of that I've only done a few breaks of it. So I've noticed it a little bit like I pulled a decent amount of kates Like I pulled the kate orange, which is kind of nice. Thanks for joining furg.   And like he's tall so he'll get blocks and rebounds like He'll also get bodied a bit on defense But I don't know man. He's I like I kept saying he could literally by far be the best player in this class His ceiling is by far better than anybody else's It's icing. Hopefully he can add some Some way it'll take a little while but he can shoot and handle. He's seven foot tall. I mean He's already gonna be a solid NBA player. Oh, yeah Yeah, yonis was kind of like that yonis. I mean obviously not as thin but also yonis Was not a shooter Not the best ballhandler ballhandler either Yeah, exactly. Chet has a more polished game to him right now Yeah, and I mean a magic fan. I like Ben caro. He's got that high floor He's got that high ceiling too. So I'm excited to have Ben caro You know Pretty good size wing player that can shoot can create his own shot And I mean that's pretty invaluable right there No, like true weakness isn't been and Ben caro's game. Yeah, that's a good plan And he can create his own shot. He can shoot the three already like You know good size wing. He's like a very very safe like Yeah, like his floor is high, but a ceiling is also high if he can like Just continue to work on just I guess everything Be like maybe a paul george type one day. That'd be pretty sick Keep forgetting the clippers are getting kawaii back. They're gonna be so good next year. I think people are gonna sleep on them But they were good. They were really good without kawaii But they were like went on a run to get there too though. Yeah, they got john wall too. That's gonna be a very Underrated pick up. Yeah, like your your third or fourth option is john wall Even at his age and look all the injury stuff, you know still could be pretty good I feel like he'll be motivated more to play on a good team. Yeah, it's been a while Rockets were never kind of never going anywhere and he just hasn't done anything in years So I feel like he's gonna have that like I'm ready to go. I'm here to prove myself He's like, yeah, I was a top five point guard at one time. So In case at one time is the best point guard Hmm outside of like Steph. Yeah I've looked at this go to recently, but I do want to find out how far we are behind Yeah, as long as we fill up nt and floss cut a little more back to All right, let's do the random here for 21 22 prison basketball hobby three bucks number 18 Random teams. Good luck everybody six and four 10 times Yeah, Ferg I had a I knew someone that did that too When when all the magic were hurt Franz Wagner's point tree bound assist totals People were bent in the over like ever game and just making money. They'd never adjusted for some reason one two three four five six seven eight nine and 10 Jacob e down to Ryan g and 10 times on the teams It was weird because they usually vegas. I mean vegas obviously adjust pretty well They're they're good at making odds, but it was like they didn't pay they don't pay attention to small teams like that is strange one two three four five six seven eight nine and 10 Spurs down to blazer's heat.  So, you know It's gonna say you have to be a pretty big. I didn't even know that until now It's not as closely monitored.  We'll start in just a moment Clippers finals next season. I can see that the west is going to be pretty stacked. Um, especially if aton's there for another Go around if they can make it work in phoenix I mean they'll be right back in the mix got the dubs God the nuggets if they're healthy are going to be pretty darn good grizzlies were great T wolves might make some moves now that they have a true center on their team and they're on the up for sure Ah, yeah, it's pretty sad the lakers to have lebron james and they might make some moves here If they get kairi, they might be the favorites to win at all. I have no idea Maps are good. I don't know if they're gonna have enough but Yeah Yeah west is stacked again east is fairly pretty good too Celtics heat still good both those teams Nobody knows about the nets, but yeah box sixers holes holes hawks It could be Well, the answer in mario hell Yeah denver is the one denver and the clippers people are going to sleep on them big time Murray and mpj healthy It'll be the first time that all of them and gordon and yokich have all been together And healthy and playing for a long stretch. Hopefully you'd think and then you got yeah bruce brown kcp Like they're going to be slept on not to mention like they were pretty decent with the guys they had on the court And now that's their depth so like Yeah, it's They're they're gonna embarrass a lot of teams. I think they're gonna make a lot of like decent teams look pretty bad in my opinion Because they're just gonna have more talent at every single position Let's get started. Yeah Everybody forced here ripping 21 22 prism basketball hobby three box number 18 Random team style show you the results right here. You can always find them late in sports cards.com Thanks everybody and good luck Jazz are gonna be slept on they'll be slept on because they're gonna be bad Once they trade mitral it's gonna be rough. They're gonna have enough like They're not gonna be like terrible terrible though because they got so much that go bear trade as far as like vet presence Yeah, true But they're not gonna be good, you know People will sleep on them and they'll surprise here and there but they're not gonna compete for really anything But if they trade mitral they're gonna be like they're done number one pick material They're giving up that I mean if you're the jazz you should want the number one pick ruby wave rookie nets day run sharp Raptors hyper precious chua. Yeah, as it stands now, they're okay Mitchell's that good so shengun Look at that stat line and they lost Eight innings bitch 12ks Two earn runs four total hits two walks Uh silver for the jazz bogdanovich silver prismatic zion for the pelicans Clint capella based auto atlanta swiss bank I said a second Soon-move base ricky bulls They probably won't mark They're probably gonna get like the fourth pick or something purple Nuggets marcus howard to uh 99 When but when benyama. Yeah, he's he's worth like just losing like 70 games for He's playing in college or no Pulsar a band made of bio heats. I do not know honestly read for the raptors gore and draugage to 299 Yeah, where's when benyama playing next year? Bonson He's freakish. I've seen very little but what I've seen is like Silver clippers nick the tomb make myself feel even worse about me, so purple ice jared allen calves to 149 josh premo I play some france apparently Yeah, check silver rookie clippers brand in boston jr hyper for the maves wong gg jalen green rookie Uh, yeah for a guy I would expect monday. They're a little behind this week. I'm not sure how it's looking now But I would just expect to monday Could be after that though. I honestly do not know Ruby wave pacers carousel avert red celtics reggie lewis to 299 And Yeah, we had some people out this week and It's always tough when that happens a sorting issue with any with any spots silver for the calves ice quacoro blue rockets avery brally to 199 Jimmy butler knew who also won't be good as the rockets Yeah That that is true. I believe I believe that's true ruby wave brad vial wizards hyper nix dwayne bacon jonathan kaminga jared butler magic legend That's true. He's in his magic uni in the card, right? I think Yes, he is I don't know when he arrived at the magic or left the magic. I know he was there at some point That's silver for the hawk still on right silver widescreen don't ditch for the maves scotty barns base You can change the channel. We don't have to watch marlin's post game No You're watching the local game mojo fireworks. Yannis onto the kumpo Congrats bucks seven of 25 Sick yannis and a big rookie auto here mojo out print shengun 17 of 25 back to back mojo Dude, that's awesome We're gonna mag both of those for your bucks and rockets. That's awesome, man Good stuff We need to pull a black prism or like a really nice gold or something Wizards silver rookie kory kispert hyper nix derrick rose Yeah, I saw a map map map has a cave mojo You hit that in a break, right or a personal That's nuts And he's any any any's a Insane insane What do you think about the red wings move and moves and free agency? I like the couple of them Ruby wave clink and Pella hawks was bank. Uh, bismac viambo blue for the hornets magic legend 199 Gonna get the bismac viambos I like that. I like the idea of uh, Andrew cop. Oh, this this terrifying Error, uh-oh Not over that rookie silver clippers jason preston purple ice lakers rishon rondo 125 Yeah, because he didn't make a really tough play Yeah, I got stings Pretty terrible. You know who would have made that play? He ain't he's uh, jaylor shella Better chance than divers, you know, I don't know. I don't think it's funny him or shella is better defensively Yeah Ruby wave ns cantor celtics Hyper rookie brandon boston jr. Clippers. I don't mind him going for that. It's probably the only way they would got him Maybe it's not like fast.  Let's go maddy maddy carp Dude carpenter saw nester and was like I can do that better. Oh, yeah That's exactly what he thought James book night and hornets red greg brown the third blazers recuted two ninety nine Honestly bon that's what i'm thinking of my mind right now I know that's what bon's reasoned for Um, no crazy shimmers there was a jaylon brunson and a tyler hero blue shimmer They run sharp pretty solid to bat stuff silver cam reddish hawks hyper geandroid jordan nets No rookies at all. I don't think on the shimmers earlier Oh Yeah, you got tossed. Yeah, I just got eric bone one Okay, I was gonna say it was a really bad call to be fair Cam thomas rookie silver vince carter raptors orange wave shake milton sixers to sixty Well, yeah, apparently the I was gonna say usually the first time it was long as it's not crazy Ruby wave rookie thunder erin wiggins hyper kings rashaun holmes It's the ninth anyway, so I see those extras there's not much we're doing here Yeah, the umpiring has been just battled way around even last series it affected The last ink he's read like series affected like every game. I feel like most is moody silver pistons to dig bay Silver prismatic xion for the thunder not thunder pelicans. They run sharp rookie out of nets Yeah, it's just been tough man robo. I mean people didn't want robo.  Oh, yeah Dotting corners that actually gets called correctly. Yep, silver lakers malik monk Silver mindset xion for the pelicans a lakers based out of rick fox as a jackson He might he really might His ops will be 1400 I think blue ice lanzo morning hornets to 125 I think he's gonna end up staying in washington That last like offer that reportedly made him I feel like I feel like they're serious about keeping him. Yeah It was like north of 400 like 13 years. I'm like, oh, they're they're actually gonna do it Silver spurs the the jante Murray hawks legend hyper tim duncan the spurs Pulsar teals malik bezley blue prism rookie isaela ivers pistons to 199 giddy rookie base Ceiling sucks Hey guys, I know we're still about 45 minutes behind or so We're gonna catch up a little bit once we get to some of these uh higher end football breaks Silver Robert Williams to the third Celtics Steph curry orange here you go dubs 29 to 49 Good stuff. You can definitely Nice step. We'll get that mag 40 warriors pretty well centered also 29 to 49 Oh boy. Yeah, but I'm scared too I won't be like that upset.  I've I've cried enough on the inside so much this year Hyper hawks tray young I just laugh at this point. Is that your Williams rookie grizzlies? Is that a healthy way of dealing with trauma? laughter Once Lamar got hurt it was like Johnson's going out there as you're starting quarter. All right. Yeah, like yeah silver jazz Royce O'Neill Chrismatic silver KD for the Nets Let a ding on that Royce Bottom here. Yeah, there's a there's a ding on that. I'm gonna send a box wrapper for the jazz spot right below where it says jazz Oh, this game's over dude. It's completely over. Let's go, baby This one's over for sure Like get ready to celebrate and chat. They pulled this off You and I against the world Mike. Oh boy How threw it away? Oh, dude, that was bad. That was bad. He's not far from the plit. He's not far from the bag either. That's terrible Hyper for the bucks fireworks. Yana sends it a kumpo bones. Highland rookie auto nugs. There you go Nice hit there You know Silver for the Nets Bruce Brown Hyper nicks will be topping Lamello fearless. Yeah, I'm not even hurt anymore Ruby wave pistons Josh Jackson to 75 Jamal Murray Nuggets on 75th anniversary parallel Cade rookie base for the pistons Between our year, I guess Silver jazz, um, Jordan Clarkson ready for the spurs. David Robinson to 299 Kenbeva tumbo Frans Wagner and that will do it. Do a quick recap. Give me one stack guys God Nuggets bones. Highland Lakers Rick Fox, Corey Kispert wizards Nets day run sharpened Hawks and Capella on the autos Mojo rookie auto Rockets Alper and Shengyun Orange Steph Curry to 49 for the dubs and a mojo fireworks. Yanis for the bucks. Good stuff Thanks again, everybody. We've got uh football up next now. I think right. Yeah, let's just end this thing. Come on sack fly Let's just get it over with Slow dribbler You might you might just walk it. I don't know Dude at least let him at least make him put it in play At least like make the dude swing the bat or walk off Walk off walk. Yeah, that's that would be the worst You know, I'm prepared to lose but please don't walk him Well, at least how goes having a nasty slider Just shouldn't have thrown the slider to third Should have just uh You know nice and easy Yeah, that's how I feel Vaughn. Let's end this I like how the MLB bottom ticker was like umpires announced for all-star game MLB is like scaring like who's our best? Who's our best? We cannot mess this up All right, guys. Just the pats left an NT there on sale and just the pats and the Um jack Jags, I think it was in flawless. So let's get those filled up On the prism football now I don't even know what happened. I know there's an out. Yeah, don't play Ah, that's the one thing you probably could not do. Yeah, that's what I was saying to Caleb I was giving him the entire like run down of what was happening and I was like, yep That's what you can't do right there It's like that's like the one thing. Yeah A strike out instead Honestly, I would have taken a strike out. Yeah, because then sack flies still in play We're gonna get out Terrible, I don't know what else to say I don't know man. Well coming off the red. Yeah, I guess coming off the red series Still in control here. Don't get it twisted I was gonna say that was almost there right there How is just missing? Honestly, I'm feeling the same way. Mike. This is the time to do it.  Y'all are at home extra innings at home is like It's like 75% of the time. I feel like you win the games Y'all just did like Red Sox special right there load the bases that don't score with no outs Out red socks for the red socks One sec guys, I'm gonna put the uh, Patriots a little more on sale for nt and then we'll do this random Just do pretty much the same to our Patriots on sale We'll put them down another hundred Patriots on sale guys on nt mack hunting Random time for 2021 prism football hobby three bucks number 40 random teams. Good luck everybody five and three eight times one two three four five six seven and eight Stephen s down to boon ty s Man, y'all are thinking the Red Sox won this game.  I'll act like it's a bad year for you.  I mean, that's kind of what you're trying to do, right? I don't know who y'all are facing but it's jeter to start. So I mean Okay, so I guess jeter's the bottom Okay, then they get I don't know who's it batten first i durant. I don't I don't even know It's clay holmes first thing. Thank you, Mike First inning All right, let's go ahead and get started. Thanks again everybody for filling out the breaks tonight. I know we're behind No, thanks for your patience and it's a few days Everybody forced here rip in 2021 prison football hobby three bucks number 40 Random team style you can always find the results of leighton sports cards.com. There's a link in chat currently Thanks for joining and good luck everybody one sec I honestly don't mind it that much Got used to it. Yeah, I'm used to it um It's not like that in the playoffs, right? As long as long as it's like hockey where there's no like shootouts in the playoffs. I'm cool with it Yeah, it doesn't I yeah, it is what it is. It gives a big advantage to the home team But like, you know, you got to figure you got to score more than just that ghost runner to win I honestly don't mind it round tree got davante smith Blue ice joe mixon bangles out of 99 silver broncos auto gerry judy. Yeah, how do you feel about him? I I'm pretty indifferent I don't like 18 any games. I'll say that so I think that's the That's the biggest thing here barley hyper rams Jalen rams you to 175 silver packers davante adams I guess it benefits the home team more. I mean home team always has an advantage when you get the extras It's Purple blake jarwin cowboys out of um 125 silver miles gaskin dolphins gas can cheater down stroke davante rookie got purple ice iuk for the niners numbered to 225 emergent jalen waddle Yeah, I was saying my mic fire move blue wave to to atlaw rams Rookie to 199 and ruby wave rookie auto colts quitty pay It's 149 Big ref is up ur urnish jones blue wave bucks Is uh debon white to 199 fireworks jesson jefferson davis mills smith you got ruby wave daniel jones giants to 149 silver rookie packers amari rogers Yeah, I kind of agree with her though. They play so many games regular season Mack jones rookie. Were they're getting rivet next year or they haven't decided yet. I think right They're keeping it Colson and purple power sains to 49 I'm gonna kind of hope they keep it. It's yeah, it's fine No, I'm not I'm not a fan of the play-in Playing maybe yeah, I'm not not the biggest fan either Eddie Elijah Moore Jake funk hyper rookie cowboys kelvin joseph out of 175 and silver sains drew breeze I like that. I'm a b restructure to either. I don't like to play in i'm i'm fine with the expansion I didn't play in felt weird. It's like why would you go to one more game when you just played 162 anyway? Like make it a series or something right? orange andy dalton bears Out of 249 make the postseason for potentially just nine innings like come on now justin fields bears orange Great card for the bears gonna get that mag for you. It'll be number to 249 Sweet color match to 31 of 249 blurry there bolton mon's purple Jags miles jackson 125 and purple power emergent rookie jalen wild dolphins 49 nice waddle 17 that's his jersey number nice You can make this one. Yeah, I'll make that jersey number waddle It's a 49 emergence. Is it supposed to go away? I thought that I thought it was permanent That's fine. It's supposed to go away I'm indifferent. I prefer to keep it for regular seasons. Honestly, like No one's gonna be watching like a 7 p.m. Start time game that goes like 17 innings. Yeah, it goes till 3 4 Burns the entire bullpen. You got like your third bit. You got like a backup third baseman pitching like I don't I don't want to see that If you're baseball and you want viewership Yeah, I'm just step backwards Almond Ross St. Brown lions rookie Got ruby wave Darius slayton giants to 149 or red wave silver rookie jabriel cox cowboys So use the basketball set They walked they walked the devils. That's probably the right move here That's the right move boogie boshum bohoco purple thurman thomas bills Number two 125 Yeah, I thought they were supposed to take it away. I want to see what those new bases look like the big bases Yeah, orange wave zack wilson boom 54 of 60 jets Orange is the color for football tonight so far Big card silver antonio brown bucks Single but no one scored bases loaded now Zach wilson rookie for the jets or the yinbo blue ice tyron matthew chiefs Number two 99. Did we take it a late jump like I have no idea Didn't think it was that challenge single Judge is pretty strong though. I've got to get on Samuel and Campbell Hyper is uh set williams broncos rookie to 175 jaylon smith last rookies had some like printing air at the top. 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The following story contains descriptions of violence and sexual assault. Listener discretion is advised. I spent 35 years incarcerated for something I didn't do. I spent 36 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit. I was incarcerated for a crime I didn't commit for 37 and a half years. I spent 36 years incarcerated for a crime that I didn't commit. I was falsely accused. I served 35 years in prison for no reason at all. I spent 26 years in maximum security prisons for a crime that I did not commit. This is The Alley, DC's 8th and H case. Episode 2. Prisoners of their initial hunch. On the evening of October 1st, 1984, Catherine Fuller's body was found in an alley near the busy intersection of 8th and H streets northeast in Washington DC. Police received several early leads. The young man that found her body, William Freeman, said he saw two men fleeing the alley when police arrived. He and other witnesses were able to identify these two young men through an array of photos. Another lead came from an anonymous caller who said he'd heard of a gang called the 8th and H crew that supposedly committed crimes in the alley. Tipster Michael Lee Jackson shared an account of walking through the alley around the time of death and hearing groans coming from the closed garage. Lastly, two individuals told police that they were approached by a man and a woman outside of the liquor store where Catherine Fuller was last seen alive. The couple sold them a ring just hours after Fuller's time of death. The ring was identified as belonging to Catherine. After considering these early leads, detectives Sanchez and McGinnis decided to pursue the theory that the 8th and H crew committed the crime in a gang attack. None of the other leads would be pursued extensively. Why was the DC justice system allowed to egregiously mishandle this case? In a city built by slave labor, you don't have to look too hard to find answers. Part 1 Historical Context Washington DC was founded in 1790 after George Washington chose it to be the U.S. Capitol. He picked this location specifically because of its proximity to both slave and non-slave states. From its inception, DC was shaped by racial politics. Slavery played a very real, tangible role in the development of the city. Some of the most important landmarks in DC, such as the White House, were built partially by enslaved people. Washington DC has long had a prominent black population that is fought to keep its presence known. After the passage of the 15th Amendment, right after the Civil War, black men in the district voted in local politicians that looked like them to represent their best interests. What you get is the emergence after the War of Black Political Power, and African-Americans become sort of a regular part of the district. And they're not just serving in elected office, they're also encouraging the Metropolitan Police Department to hire black officers. That's George Derek Musgrove, an historian that co-authored the book Chocolate City, A History of Race and Democracy in the Nation's Capital. I had a discussion with him about DC history in March of 2023. You're getting all of these changes in the way that the district is structured. There is a very robust counter-revolution that then occurs, primarily among conservative white Democrats and conservative white Republicans. And these two groups of people share an antipathy to black voting, and many of them actually share a hostility to poor white people voting. And so they begin to lobby Congress in 1870-1871 to create a much more restricted form of government that essentially contains democracy, a government that's more appointed than is elected, and that most of the places where money would be spent would actually be in the hands of the appointed officials. And Congress gladly obliges. For the century that followed, DC residents weren't able to elect anyone to represent them in local government. DC voters were not allowed to cast a ballot for president until 1964. They were not able to directly elect a council and a mayor until 1974. Even then, Congress continued to have the power to override any laws DC residents made for themselves. This is the case to this day. After the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968, a revolt spread throughout the city. One of the places most affected was the H Street corridor. It devastated economic development. What the revolt does is convinces a lot of those store owners that it's time to take their business out of the city. And so what you really have is the exodus of capital from the old black business districts of the city. H Street, U Street, Nicholas Road. The other thing that you have when it comes to the 1968 revolt is that the federal government clears the lots in the riot corridors but doesn't provide the funding that the city needs to rebuild. And so for a couple of months you actually get the charred remains of a lot of these businesses just sitting there. Once they're cleared though, the money never appears.  And so big parts of H Street just had these empty blocks. In the 70s, a signature musical genre was born in DC called GOGO. GOGO is an unmistakable subgenre of funk music. It is truly a sound onto its own. The style is underscored by syncopated rhythms created with bass, snare, conga drums and cowbells, among other instruments. Another important aspect of the genre is its element of live audience call and response. By the 1980s, GOGO was embedded in the culture of native Washingtonians. GOGO isn't just a genre of music. It's also an event. It's a concert, but it's also a place to socialize. On weekends in the 80s, many young DC residents could be found with GOGOs doing what most young people do. Dancing, listening to music and flirting with whoever caught their eye. These events happened at venues like the historic Washington Coliseum, a.k.a. the U-Line Arena, which stood less than a mile from 8th and H. Author Patrice Gaines was a reporter for the Washington Post back in the mid-80s. She explained a central feature at GOGOs. You know, I had been to GOGO concerts and I knew that there's a call and response and they might say, it's 8th and H in the house and they all yell. And so, people were identified in that way by their neighborhoods, by their areas. But it didn't mean that they were really like a gang. It was a crew of people that hung together or just represented their community. Chris Turner, who you heard from in the last episode, grew up in the 8th and H area and frequented GOGOs in his youth. He explained that when fights broke out, crews stuck together to protect their own. There were fights at every GOGO, every single GOGO, someone stepped on somebody's foot, somebody pushed somebody. And you understood that and you knew that and that was the norm. And guys out of Northeast stuck together. So, was the 8th and H crew a violent gang? Or was it a group of teenagers that attended concerts together and occasionally got into fights? The people investigating Catherine Fuller's murder had very little understanding of the neighborhood. They didn't know the dynamics of GOGO culture. When a group of young black men with a unifying name was pointed out to them, it was easy for them to label them a malicious gang. However, for the people that actually lived near 8th and H, they were mostly unaware of the threat of gangs in their neighborhood. You live around here? Yes. Never heard of them? No. Never heard of, never seen anyone. You ever heard of a gang by the name of the 8th and H crew? No, I haven't. Never heard of them? No, not a gang. Patrice Gaines described the interactions she had with community members in 1985. Well, what struck me when I first got to the neighborhood as a reporter was the fact that people were astounded that it was thought that there was a gang in their community. There was no fear of these young men. I didn't get the same picture from the people in the community that I got from what police said. The year 1984 saw fewer homicides than all but one year between 1972 and 2004. It wasn't until several years later, in the late 80s and early 90s, that DC earned the moniker murder capital of the country. This was fueled by crime associated with the crack epidemic. The number of homicides per year peaked in DC in 1991 at 509 compared to 182 in 1984. Chris Turner was 19 years old in 1984. He remembers the H Street corridor as a relatively safe homegrown business district within a tight-knit community. There were shoe stores there. There was the wig shop, the uniform shop, people's drug store. There was Murray's Steakhouse. There was vendors out there on each corner selling jewelry, selling fruit, selling food. My family had been in the Northeast H Street area for, I want to say, 70 years. And so no matter where I went, on H Street, it all felt like home to me. H Street today is a far cry from what it was back in 1984. The family-owned businesses are few and far between. Neighborhood churches sit in the shadows of tall luxury apartment buildings. And, of course, there's a Starbucks and a Whole Foods. But the alley where Catherine Fuller's body was found remains. Part 2 A Vulnerable Target On October 4th, three days after Catherine Fuller's murder at around 4 p.m., detectives picked up Clifton Yarbrough and his brother Ernie, the same Ernie mentioned by the anonymous caller in episode 1. Clifton's friends called him Cliff. He was 16 years old and a student at Eastern High. He excelled in a local basketball league. The trophies lining his parents' living room were proof of that. Cliff, Ernie, and the rest of their family had lived in the neighborhood surrounding 8th and H for many years. They were well-known in their community and were very familiar with the Fuller family. One of Mrs. Fuller's sons, William, would attend church with the Yarbroughs from time to time. When I interviewed Cliff in late 2022, he told me, I knew Ms. Fuller. She lived on my block. My grandmother cooked a lot of sweet potato pies, a whole lot of cakes. She would always tell her, take some man to Mrs. Fuller. Back in 1984, Cliff was a special education student. He had a verbal IQ of 66, putting him in the bottom 1%. When he was brought into the homicide office on October 4th, he was placed in an interrogation room and left alone to stew, handcuffed to a chair. Steeped in nothing but his own thoughts. He was thoroughly confused. He didn't do anything wrong, so why was he here? Cliff didn't yet know the answer to that question, but already he felt like whatever it was, it wasn't going to turn out well for him. He had no adult or lawyer with him. He was scared. The detective spoke briefly with Cliff's brother, Ernie, and released him shortly thereafter. Finally, they entered Cliff's room. He was immediately hit with questions about the Catherine Fuller murder. Cliff insisted he knew nothing about the crime, but the detectives didn't believe him. As a 16-year-old student with a learning disability, Cliff was an easy target for them. Cliff was at the station for more than five hours, during which police pressed him for information. They told him they knew Alfonso Monterras and Levi Rouse were involved. They did ask about Mrs. Fuller's murder, and I said I didn't know anything about it. The detectives left Cliff in the room alone again for a while and then returned with a pre-written document. They asked Cliff if he could read and write. He could write, he said, but he couldn't read very well. When they asked if he wanted Detective Sanchez to read his statement for him, he answered yes. The detectives asked Cliff to initial every page as they read it aloud. So they had a statement that was already written out, and they told me to put my signals by and I can go home. And I put C-Y-C-Y-C-Y-C-Y. My initials are my name in the N.E. sentence. Here's my colleague, Meryl Mackie, reading the statement. I was standing on Affin H Street, me and some of my friends, and one of them said that that lady had some money, big money. So they said, let's go get paid. The lady turned to Affin H and crossed the street. So they went behind her. And I came across H Street the other way. And the lady started screaming. Then she stopped and I walked home. According to the detective's notes, Cliff supposedly talked to his friend Alfonso Moncaris the day after the crime. Monk allegedly told Cliff that a mutual friend of theirs, Burt, was involved. Monk also said their other friend Levi Rouse was present, but was hesitant to actively participate. Monk said Mrs. Fuller, quote, didn't have nothing to steal. Here's former Washington Post reporter Patrice Gaines again. Now the thing is, Mrs. Fuller didn't have a lot of money. And the people that they arrested, if they didn't know her personally, they knew her as a woman in the neighborhood. If you live in a poor neighborhood, you know who has money and who doesn't. So this was another thing that didn't make sense to me. That that many young people would want to split $30 or whatever small amount Mrs. Fuller would have. They would know that she would not have a lot of money. Furthermore, if the statement had truly been written in Cliff's own words, why would he refer to Mrs. Fuller, a woman he was very familiar with, as the lady instead of by name? The detectives could have arrested Cliff right then and there for aiding and abetting a murder. But they didn't. Instead, with Cliff's quote unquote statement in hand, detectives McGinnis and Sanchez got a warrant signed for the arrest of Alfonso Monc Harris, another one of the individuals named in the anonymous tip. Part three, the first arrest. Monc Harris was 22 years old at the time of his arrest.  He also worked as a mechanic in the area. Monc was convinced police had been after him for a long time. A cop that patrolled the area named Donald Gossage had harassed him for years, arresting him repeatedly. Monc didn't have any history of violence towards women. Monc was arrested at his house without incident at 12.35 a.m. on October 5th. At the homicide office, he gave police a statement about the day of the murder. He said he was at a friend's house near 9th and I streets northeast from about 1 to 4 p.m. After that, he visited his girlfriend until 5.30 p.m. Then a friend gave him a ride home. That evening, his sister-in-law called his family's house and told him someone had been killed at 8th and H. In the following days, police were able to interview Monc's girlfriend and mom, who seemingly corroborated Monc's alibi. Later that afternoon, Monc made his first court appearance and a public defender was assigned to him. You'll hear from Monc's lawyer later in this series. At Monc's first hearing, the judge determined there was probable cause that Monc had been involved in the crime. He ordered that he be held without bond in the D.C. jail. Part 4 Digging in By October 6th, less than a week after the murder, detectives McGinnis and Sanchez had located and talked to all three of the young men mentioned in the anonymous caller's tip. Alfonso Moncaris, Levi Rouse, and Ernie Yarbrough. One of them, Monc, was now in custody. But other than Cliff's signed statement, investigators had little evidence that short up the gang attack theory. Rather than re-evaluating and following other leads, police dug in further. Any young man known to hang around 8th and H was brought in for questioning. One of these young men was Timothy Catlett. About a week after the murder, Timothy, whose friends called Snotrag, told police he had no insider knowledge of the murder or the 8th and H crew. Timothy was 19 at the time and was living with a friend of Catherine Follers, named Mary Overton and her son, Russell Overton. You know, it was all gentle from the beginning and then it turned to something else. Then the trick part came in was like, you know, sign these papers right here. And I was like, sign them with papers. Papers saying you were testified. Testified about what? Don't worry about it, just sign the damn papers. I said, man, I'm not signing no papers. He didn't succumb to the detective's threats and walked out of the station without signing anything. Detective Sanchez and McGinnis decided to keep a close eye on him. Another young man brought in by the detectives was 20-year-old Charles Turner. Charles is the older brother of Chris Turner. It turned into an interrogation. Everything was focused on what I knew. Every question they asked me was pertaining to the murder of Captain Fuller. At 6.45 p.m., on October 10th, Charles gave detectives a written statement. He adamantly denied having any knowledge of the murder. He said he was home when it happened. Towards the end of the interview, Detective McGinnis asked Charles bluntly, who killed the lady in the alley? Charles answered, quote, I don't know. I'm serious, man. I don't know. Part 5. Missed Suspects While detectives McGinnis and Sanchez continued to pull in young black men in an attempt to bolster their gang theory, other crimes against women were happening in the area surrounding 8th and H. Police told the Washington Post they knew of at least six instances of women being beaten and robbed around the same time of Catherine Fuller's murder. On October 24th, Nadine Winter, a member of the DC Council, was violently robbed in an alley half a mile away from where Catherine Fuller was murdered. Winter, 59, was repeatedly hit in the head and knocked to the ground in the 1100 block of K Street Northeast. This was not just a snatch-and-run robbery. It was a vicious assault. She later recounted she'd feared for her life at the time. The next day, October 25th, another woman named Marilyn Ludwig experienced a similar nightmare. She was attacked by two men around 8.30 AM just blocks away from the Fuller murder scene. Ludwig immediately reported the crime and after she described the suspects to the police, they were able to track them down promptly. One of these men was 18-year-old James McMillan, one of the two men that was identified fleeing from the alley where Fuller's body was found.  In 1984, he was charged with assaults against Nadine Winter and Marilyn Ludwig and ultimately served eight years for these offenses. It's important to note here that the other young man charged with McMillan for the Winter and Ludwig assaults was not the same guy McMillan had been seen with in the alley after Fuller's murder. McMillan was a newcomer in the area and a bit of a loner. He did not spend time hanging out with the other young men in the neighborhood and therefore, he didn't fit into the profile of a member of the supposed eighth and age crew. On October 26th, 41-year-old Amy Davis was arrested for disorderly conduct and brought into the Fifth District police headquarters. After reviewing her case, police told her she was free to go, but instead of leaving, she asked to talk to the supervisor at the station, which on that day was Lieutenant Frank Loney. Davis sat down in Loney's office. She was hesitant to talk at first, but then dropped a bombshell. She said she had information on a murder. Davis then went on to describe a man in his 30s named James Blue.  Davis described it as a rainy Monday and the same day Blue had gotten out of jail. Both of these details were confirmed later on. Amy admitted to the officer that she was afraid of James Blue and that was why she was so hesitant to talk. Lieutenant Loney made a report of the conversation and gave it to the homicide unit. Months later, when he was informed that arrests had been made in the case, Loney assumed Blue was among them, but he wasn't. Part six, hitting another dead end. By November 1984, detectives McGinnis and Sanchez had hit a wall. Monks' arrest didn't result in any meaningful leads. They'd talked to dozens of people from the neighborhood at this point, but no one had meaningful information regarding gang members that could lead to an arrest. Here's my colleague, Lee Drutman, reading a quote from what Detective McGinnis told a Washington Post reporter about how he felt at this point in the investigation. Someone had to know about this. The neighborhood as I knew it, the bus stop, the park, the commercial establishments, someone had to see the lady go back in the alley, but no one was offering information. It took so long because there were so many people and so little cooperation. Detective Sanchez felt the same. Here's my colleague, Joe Wilkes, reading what Sanchez told the reporter at the time. How could 25 people be in the alley and nobody saw anything? I thought people would rally around us and come out of the woodwork, but they never did. But that wasn't true, was it? Several community members had come forward to share information related to the murder. William Freeman, James Robinson, and Jackie Tai Lee, the people to first encounter Fuller's body, gave extensive statements to police and identified two young men fleeing the scene. Ronald Murphy and Vivian Watts told police about the people outside the liquor store who sold them one of Mrs. Fuller's rings. Amy Davis gave an eyewitness account of James Blue viciously beating Catherine Fuller in the alley the day of the murder. All of these suspects did have one thing in common. None of them fit the profile of a member of the supposed eighth and age crew. They were either too old or didn't hang out with the other young people at the intersection, so therefore none of these suspects were pursued extensively. Furthermore, all of the quote-unquote members of this alleged gang, Cliff Yarbrough, Monc Harris, Levi Rouse, Charles Turner, and Timothy Catlett, had cooperated with police when brought in for questioning. In his book, Ultimate Punishment, A Lawyer's Reflections on Dealing with the Death Penalty, former prosecutor Scott Tarot said that under enormous pressure to solve these cases, police often become prisoners of their own initial hunches. In other words, detectives are human and therefore can fall victim to tunnel vision and confirmation bias. This is a common occurrence. Investigators often pick a theory early on and stick with it in order to solve a case as quickly as possible. If they change theories a month or two into the investigation, it almost guarantees a delay in closing the case. But problems arise when the first theory they pick is the wrong one. In their complaints about lack of community cooperation, Sanchez and McGinnis failed to consider a clear possibility. Maybe no one came forward to share information about a gang attack because one never happened. And so I'm reading the case file and I'm going, you know, this is weird. There's something wrong here. It just kind of stood out as very similar to Central Park 5. That's next time on The Alley, DC's 8th and H case. This podcast is dedicated in memory of Catherine Fuller. Our host is Shannon Lynch. Our executive producers are Jason Stewart and Shannon Lynch. This podcast was recorded at New America Studios and Creative Underground. The cover art is by Samantha Webster. Editorial and media support from Jody Nardi, Molly Martin and Joe Wilkes. Audio editing and mixing by Shannon Lynch. Social media directed by me, Maika Moolit. Script editing and fact checking by Thomas Dibdahl and Sharla Freeland.  A very special thank you to Patrice Gaines for keeping the story alive for decades and for supporting this project throughout production. 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So, you need to find Scarlee Journal articles for your research. Library databases are a great tool to search for reliable information to use on your topic. At Jangs, we have over 100 different databases you can choose to search. This video will teach you how to select the appropriate database to search and how to enter your keyword in order to find relevant articles on your topic. To begin searching for Scarlee articles on a library database, go to the library homepage at www.gordon.edu.slashlibrary. In the search the library section, click on the database tab. If you know the name of the database you're looking for, you can run a quick search on the box provided, or click on the view all databases to open the complete list of all databases available at Jangs. Library databases can either be subject specific or multidisciplinary. You should select which database you search based on the topic area of your research question. Jangs has many subject specific databases. You can filter this database list by subject area to get an idea about which databases might match best with certain topics. Notice that for some of these subject categories, such as education, when you filter you'll see a best bet box at the top suggesting where you might begin. For your research in both music and education, we have many databases that will provide access to different kinds of information. Some of our databases, such as Eric or Academic Search Complete, are best used for locating peer-reviewed articles on topics within the field of music education. Other databases will provide access to background information. You already saw some examples of these in the starting out section. Grow With Music Online is a great place to begin for some of this background type information. You'll also find databases that allow you to stream audio files or access sheet music. Access Music is a great database for audio files. To access these music related databases, use the subject drop-down to select the subject area of interest, for example, music. You can see that we've got in our best bet options for the subject area of music, Grow With Music Online, and then three different options for Naxos that you might be interested in taking a look at. This video is going to focus on how you use library databases to find scarly peer-reviewed articles in databases like Eric. So we're actually going to go back to our subject category here and select Education. And the database that we are going to take a look at is Eric. Please note that if you're accessing resources from off-campus, when you click on the name of a database, this is the time where you will be prompted to log into Blackboard first before being directed immediately to the database search page. If you're on campus, you can simply click on the name of the database, and you'll be directed right to a search page that looks like this. At the top of this database search page are the search boxes. The only thing you'll see is for entering the keywords you would like to search. And then the rest of the information on this page is how you limit what results you'd like to appear. To begin your searching, type in your keywords into the search boxes at the top of the screen. Let's say we're interested in finding scholarly research articles about teaching world music in an elementary music classroom. From this question, you might pull out the keywords world music and elementary education. And enter those into our search. Notice that when we start typing elementary education, some suggestions actually appear. You might decide at this particular stage that there are other potential synonyms of some of your keywords that you can include in your search results. So for example, an elementary education, you're going to add the search operator or and also say we want primary education. After you enter your keywords, you can then filter your results to return a specific set of information. One important checkbox that you always want to remember to select on a page that looks like this is the peer reviewed or scholarly checkbox. This will return only articles that are considered to be reputable and have been through the peer review process. Other filtering options on this page include selecting a specific date range, a document type, audience, and more. By default, you'll notice that we already have a few filters preset for you as well. And they all have to do with full text access to articles. Print at Gordon, full text in EBSCO, and full text in another database have been pre-selected so that anything you find right now in your search will have immediate access to either online or in print at Janks. At any time, if you want to look beyond what Gordon has available, you can simply uncheck those boxes and search within the entire databases index. Once you have your keywords entered in your limiter set, go ahead and click search. For our initial search in the Eric database, we return 35 articles that has something to do with world music and elementary education. Review the list of results for articles that are of interest to you. When you found a title that looks interesting, click on the blue title link to view the record. Basic information about the article will be at the top of the record, such as the source or journal that it's published in, an abstract or summary of the actual article, and other helpful information, such as descriptor terms that might help you brainstorm other potential keywords that you might search by. To the left under the detailed record header will be the options for accessing the full text of this article. In this case, we have two potential access options, either HTML full text or PDF full text. You can click on either one of these, so for example, the PDF full text, and the full article will appear. One pro tip for researching that I would recommend is if you're finding a couple articles in a search in a database like Eric, and you're really excited about some of them, but you need to find more, go straight to the reference page in an article like this, and ask yourself, what did these authors cite while they were working on their paper, and are there any of these potential articles that I actually might be able to find and use in my own research. Looking at someone else's reference list is a great way to build your own. Eric is just one example of a database you can use to search for scholarly peer-reviewed articles in topics related to music education. Other databases that you might find useful include the Professional Development Collection, which is another education-specific resource, or Academic Search Complete and JSTOR, which are two of our largest multidisciplinary databases that we have available. Thanks for watching, and remember, if you need any help, ask JSTOR.