figure this keto thing out. So, hey, my name's Dustin Schaefer. I'm also known as the Keto Pro. We're gonna be talking a little bit about this keto, what it is, have you tried to figure it out? I get calls, messages constantly. Can you help me? What is keto? How do I do keto? So, I wanna keep it simple for y'all and it's simple. Like, if you want great results, long-lasting results, sustainable results, feel better, live better, there's a way to do that. And it's most likely not on a strict regimen of diet for the rest of your life, let's just be honest. That's probably not how you're gonna get there. Listen, Halloween was yesterday and I'm just curious, who indulged a little bit on some fun Halloween candy? Pai-Peg, Pai-Peg out of... Hey, Pai-Peg, how much weight are you down? By the way, she's been shrinking, she's lost a person. But yeah, just curious, like Halloween came by, we have the holidays around the corner and people are trying to do these extreme diets. So, what I wanna do is I'm gonna basically kind of give you the breakdown if you guys are open to it. I wanna give you the one-two punch of this keto concept so that it's sustainable for people. Because what happens is, unfortunately, when you have something that's scientifically and clinically extremely, extremely helpful for people to get amazing results, I mean, I got just stories after stories of people's lives like completely changing, like just completely transforming, right? Well, when you have this and then people are going, well, that didn't work for me or those don't work or that isn't making any sense or that's not, it's hard for me because the science is super clear. What's up, Judy Crox? She just shared the video, that's awesome. So, she's down, Peggy is down 144, that's super, 96 inches, that's super awesome. But here's the deal, why keto? Because you deserve to feel better. When people go like, hey, Dustin, why do I stick to it or what do I need to do? Number one reason is take care of you. This is about you getting better. So, I'm gonna break this down in simplicity because 90% of people come for fat loss or let's call it weight loss. 90%, 90% of people come for the reason that is important. But if you look at the bigger picture of this, you'll see there's so much more. And I'm gonna teach you guys something super simple that everybody can do. Everybody can do this, really simple. I'm gonna give you something that you can do so that you can have success on keto if you want to. So, here's the reality is that when you get in ketosis, what you're really wanting, this is what people really, really want. They want the result, right? They want this amazing result, right? This is what they want, this transformation.  What do I mean by that? You want your body to be really good at burning fat. I don't care if you're skinny already.  You wanna be optimal at burning body fat. Why?  You don't gain the weight. If you think about it, there's some people out there that are like, I don't need to lose anyway. Yeah, I don't need to lose any weight either. But I wanna maintain, I don't wanna gain any weight either, right? I wanna maintain this. The second thing is what it does is it fuels your brain.  They help up here. If you're right now in ketosis, put down a benefit. You can put down, I'm gonna tell you the laws I'm fine with that, but put down a benefit. Do you have an ottoman? I don't know what that means. I do not have an ottoman. Somebody asked me a random question. But here's the reality. Is we wanna optimize your body's ability to metabolize fat. We wanna optimize brain fuel and muscle fuel. That's what ketones really do. So, if people like Matt, if he just focused on the scale, let's say that he didn't lose the weight really quick. Let's just say that. But his body started performing better, started burning fat better, started metabolizing fat better, his brain started working better. Do you think that it's gonna be easier for him to maintain this when he gets there? Of course. That's why these fad diets don't work, is people have to commit their whole life to getting there and they can't maintain it.  You can maintain anything when it comes to your physical physique. So, that is that what's up, Lin-Nols, how are you? So, that is the main reasons. I got over here, we got energy, we got focus, we got better sleep. Awesome, that's really cool.  So, right now it is coming to the holiday season. I'll be releasing a lot of my holiday protocols. If you guys want the insights of a holiday protocol, let me know. It'll be coming global. I'll be putting a lot of it out there. The average person, you all know the average person, how much weight they gained during the holidays. Does anybody know what the average weight gain in America? Asia might be different, and Australia might be different.  Does anybody know the average? That starts today, it actually started last night just so you know. Holiday season's on. Does anybody know what the average is? Lin-Nols says 13 pounds. Anybody else have any question, any idea of how much the average is? Five pounds, 12 pounds Tyrone. 12 pounds. Yeah, so it's right around between 10 and 15 pounds. The average person gains 10 to 15 pounds of the holidays. And we can stop all that now, right? Over the last six years, we've helped tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people lose weight through the holidays, but still enjoying their holidays. And it's all about being in ketosis. So for the first time ever, we can get into ketosis. Gary said it's five times 2.2 is what is that, 11 pounds? Is that what it is? 11 pounds, Gary says at Australia. So here's the deal. We can get into ketosis right now. I had a lady, she goes, how do I do keto? I go, you drink your ketones. This idea of the keto and ketogenic diet is people can't sustain it. So why do we force that? Don't. What you do is you drink your ketones once to twice a day.  The next day you have two. You always want to one up at the next day because it keeps you back into ketosis. That's the secret. And then what we're gonna do is figure out what diet is gonna work for you, right? So I follow an anti-inflammatory autoimmune diet, paleo autoimmune diet. That's the diet I follow, right? It's not all keto, it's low carb, but it's low blood keto. But it's a diet that works for me.  And it works well for her. So who's on that diet? Who's on the eat whatever I want diet? She just drinks her ketones twice. She drinks her ketones twice a day and she eats whatever she wants. That's what she does. And it works for her. Matt follows probably a diet more like mine where we have, let me show you, Taylor who follows a really low carb diet. My mom who follows a low carb diet and yet she kind of eats what she wants. So the reality is this, is that if we can keep your ketone levels up and if you're willing to commit to 60, 90 days, you're life will forever change.  Better mom, better dad, better energy, better focus, better sleep, better move, better fat loss, feel great. And you don't go through the vicious cycle of lose weight, gain weight, lose weight, gain weight, lose weight, gain weight. That's what everybody's fallen into is the lose weight, gain weight, lose. And then guess what?  That's what's happening in our world y'all. So for the first time ever, we have a system the turkey trot challenge is on. So let's do this. Who is doing the turkey trot challenge with us? Who's jumping in? Give me a shout out down below. If you're in the turkey trot challenge, we'll be starting November 8th. It's gonna be different. Note that we've never done this challenge before. It is a different challenge, a different format. It's gonna be really, really cool. We are gonna do some fasting in there. We're gonna help you get into ketosis nutritionally at the same time, giving you ketones and then allowing you to come back out of that. But keeping the ketones in your system. That's the secret. That's what's changing lives. That's what everybody's trying to do the hard way. So we're gonna just keep it the simple way. The cheat code I like to call it. So Laura just put up a sign of a turkey. So I'm gonna ask you one more question and I'll hop up here y'all. Right, drop a turkey by Thanksgiving, right? Drop a turkey by Thanksgiving. If you could drop a turkey by Thanksgiving, how big of a turkey would you drop? So for me, I could drop probably a two pound turkey. I don't know if I can go much more than that. Maybe a three pound turkey. I am having shoulder surgery throughout the middle of this challenge too. So good for me. But if you could drop a turkey by Thanksgiving, how much turkey would you wanna drop? So this is a great thing. This is a great way to set yourself up, create momentum. And stay tuned, I'm gonna be doing a lot of talks about how to prevent yourself from falling backwards during the holidays. At the same time, how do you get an amazing, have an amazing holiday and enjoy your time? So we got Lynn Knowles wants to drop a five pound turkey by Thanksgiving. Tammy's dropping a 10 pound turkey by Thanksgiving. How fun is this? How fun is this? You know what you should do Lynn is go to the store and see if you can find a five pound turkey. I don't know if you can find a five pound turkey. Most of them are probably bigger than that. But either way, Lynn's amazing. She looks amazing. Peggy's gonna drop an 18 pound turkey. Well, she has a few days after. So maybe let's say a 13, 14 pound turkey by Thanksgiving. Kristy Jonas is dropping a 10 pound turkey by Thanksgiving. This is fun. This is fun. I'm actually doing something cool this month. We're gonna do a bigger fitness. People that are into fitness. We're gonna also offer a really cool fitness life in your face, like push yourself harder because what you do is you set yourself up for the holidays, right? Have fun about it. A baby turkey. Lynn, that's right. You're gonna drop a baby turkey by Thanksgiving. So you all have some fun here. If you're following me, keep following, right? We invite everybody to watch this and hey, then check this out. Remember the most important thing is why should you be in ketosis? Because you're healthier that way. Let's forget all the fluff and noise. You're healthier that way. It's a more sustainable way, but doing the diet is not a permanent solution for most people. So drink your ketones and then let's find a lifestyle that you're willing to follow and that's gonna take time. That's just time. We're all wise. If you're watching me, you're probably above the age of 35. And guess what? We've learned what not to do. Let's learn what to do, right?  They're gonna feel your muscle system.  I had some cocktails yesterday. Guess what? I wanted to have some cocktails yesterday. It wasn't perfect. I wasn't like, oh my goodness, I gotta worry about every little thing. But my system is functioning so well that I'm able to come and do this and provide energy because this is the foundation of that whole thing, y'all. So get back to whoever invited you. Come do the Turkey Trot Challenge with us. I said the Turkey Trot Challenge with us. We're starting November 8th.   If you wanna accelerate it, that's the premium standard. That's the gold standard. This is what we're gonna do to maximize it. We're gonna kick off the month of November. We're gonna kick into this month, into the new year, and we're gonna get amazing results. And I'm gonna, Lynn remind me, I gotta talk about good resolutions. I got it. This is the time to start new year's resolutions, but I'm not gonna get into it. I'll talk for hours on that. So, y'all, do the Turkey Trot Challenge with us. Get back to whoever invited you to follow me.  I don't know. Whatever reason, hit me and say, hey dude, how do I get into this challenge? Let's go drop a Turkey by Thanksgiving. Depends on what size Turkey you want. And maybe it's a two pound Turkey like me or maybe you just wanna get buffed, ripped and feel fricking amazing like Jacktober was. Well, then let's do that too. Why not? So, y'all, I gotta go. I'm outta here. Get your ketones. Drink them every day and be ready for the holidays. Is that you're gonna have a little bit more ketones because it's gonna protect you from falling in those traps that everybody falls into. So, y'all, gotta go. Good night. Cheers, y'all. Hasta la vista, baby.


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And I'm just gonna put it all out on this video and I'm starting with David because even though Jason's creepy and disgusting David's oh on a whole other level of being an actual horrible person Trisha Paytas just made a video exposing David Dobrik and her relationship with Jason Nash But there are a lot of valuable lessons that we can learn from this What is up everybody this is Chris from the rewired soul where we talk about the problem Focus on the solution and if you're new to my channel my channel is all about mental health And what I like to do is pull different topics from the YouTube community to try to teach you how to improve your mental and emotional Well-being so if any of that stuff make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell. All right, so yeah, Trisha Paytas just made a video and don't worry I'm gonna address what you all want me to address in a little bit, but anyways, let's talk about what's going on So real quick for those of you who haven't checked out her video I'll link it down below as well But she just made a video where she's visit visibly upset obviously and she talked about how David Dobrik isn't really that great of a guy some issues with Jason Nash some other problems with the vlog squad and all that and those of you who are new to my channel My channel isn't about drama What I want to do is take what you guys are seeing on YouTube and see if there's something that you can learn from it So you can address certain things in your life because one of the reasons I've made so many videos about Trisha pay This is because I can relate to her so so so much So I'm not gonna cover every single topic point-by-point in this video But there was a few standout things that I wanted to discuss. All right, so in this clip right here Trisha was talking about how Jason Was kind of invalidating her feelings and we can also call this gaslighting most of the time And even crying now every if I would cry like this. I have cried like this I would have called Jason and he says stop stop with the fake tears. You're manipulating me It's like it's no there's actual pain and All right, so gaslighting is a manipulation technique that people will use this is most common in Relationships, but this can be with your friends your family members or whatever and this is something that they will do So when you're getting upset about something They will try to make you feel as though you're crazy right like oh no no no This isn't a bad thing like you're just overreacting You're being crazy and all these other things and I feel bad because that's what was happening to Trisha like you guys Your reality your experience. Nobody can deny you that okay.  Nobody can tell you what you should or should not be feeling all right They cannot tell you that you are blowing things out of proportion and actually let me correct myself on that because I'm just thinking about Sometimes I've blown some shit out of proportions dang I need to bleep that out, but I think about some times where I blow stuff out of proportion But something that I will suggest for any of you if you if you're in a relationship and somebody tells you that you're blowing it out of proportion things like Turn to your support group turn to somebody else in your life. All right Thankfully my beautiful girlfriend Tristan. She doesn't gaslight me So if I feel like you know people are calling me out for something I can turn to her and say am I crazy Am I blowing this out of proportion is are my emotions? Disproportionate to the experience that is happening right now, right? So let's say maybe I go to the grocery store and I'm gonna you know Like I have these little like jalapeno crispy things that I like to put on the salads that I make and sometimes they're out Like if I started like flipping like tables at the grocery store and knocking things off the shelves My emotions would be disproportionate to the situation that's happening But Trisha Paytas talking about how Jason Nash was getting egged on by David Dobrik for a bit to talk about Having a threesome with Tana mojo I think Trisha Paytas's response to that was very Proportionate to the situation that was happening So for Jason Nash you tell her that she was acting crazy is not cool at all. All right So if this is happening to you, please be aware of this talk to other people in your support group and ask them What they think about the situation. Okay now What I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna address it See originally when I started making these YouTube videos I would always say these videos aren't for the YouTube or the videos are for you, but my channel is growing and Both you and I know at this point that Trisha Paytas sees my videos I don't know if she's seeing this video, but Trisha if you're watching this I'm gonna give you some friendly advice some unsolicited friendly advice But hey, I know some comments are gonna say she didn't ask for your advice will too bad Sometimes the best advice you get is unsolicited advice Tristan gives me unsolicited advice all the time that saves my butt So Trisha, this is my unsolicited advice to you like clearly clearly You were like you were justified in your emotions to make this video But I do think that you shouldn't have made this video based on your emotions All right So my advice would be to Trisha or anybody else especially youtubers out there who is going who are going through this Right now turn to your friends and talk to them ask them if they think it's a good idea to make a video when you're so emotional Like if I was talking to Trisha if we were talking into a DM I'd be like girl before you make this video. How about you call Shane? How about you call Jeffrey? How about you call and talk about that like shameless plug real quick? For my book rewire your anger. I talk about the art of venting, right? Because so many times we are very emotional and we think that we have to do something We think we have to get something out there or we think we have to go after somebody But we don't we really just needed to talk to a friend and calm down. Hell. I'll use myself as an example My primink response video that I made the other day if I would have made that video when I wanted to make it and Had Tristan not told me not to that video would have came out way different I wouldn't have been calm cool Collected I wouldn't have had my facts straight I wouldn't have been able to put it together as well as it was put together So I need people in my life to say yo Chris You need to calm down and relax before you jump on YouTube and make a video So Trisha if you're watching this like you can't reverse the past But if this happens again if something like this happens again I would highly recommend that you turn to some of your closest friends like Shane or Jeffrey before hopping on camera and making such a highly emotional video Because a lot of us do things when we're upset that we look back on and then we regret them If you watch David's vlog which I a lot of people have because I get tweets and comments and texts about it There's this big joke That he knows I don't like so he pushes it he pushes it because he knows this gets like a reaction from me in the way at the beginning it's like funny and then like finally I like There was a vlog where I take all my clothes off in David's house because I'm so pissed I'm just so pissed and I ask him I even say like it's not in the video, but I'm quiet I'm not gonna even add to this like if you guys want to joke about it. It's fine I'm not gonna add to this anymore like it. It's it hurts me But it also disgusts me and now the last thing that I want to talk about is man Like I feel I feel so bad for Trisha in this situation All right, so a lot of you know Trisha's past in her history She is a sexual woman right like you know, she's done her thing She has her private patreon where you know She does whatever and girl you do you boo like what a woman does with her body. I do not care All right, but something that's always kind of bothered me about David Dobrik's vlogs But like it's not my place to say anything But what's bothered me is how he really sexualizes the women in his vlogs, right? And I know they're young like wild and crazy guy like like Dom is that is that that one dude named who's like sleeping with everybody? Yeah, so like Dom he's like sleeping with everybody left and right and whatever but like, you know, that's his thing But you know, I see the videos where the way like David talks to Trisha or even sometimes Jason does And like I said like maybe this is just the relationship they have and they joke about this and Trisha's cool with it Right, but what we learned in this video is that Trisha isn't cool with it You know what I mean and like it makes me wonder too if the other women in his videos are cool with it And I'm not trying to play Mr. White Knight here, but like like we You know, we have to be respectful and we have to like Be mindful of another person's boundaries like something that I learned a long time ago is that a Person might joke about themselves But they might get highly offended if I make the same joke about them, right? And sometimes it's trial and error like I joke around a lot But sometimes I've made jokes and I realize I'm like, oh wait, they're not cool with me joking about that Right, like you see it a lot in the rooms like I learned this in 12-step programs We're like a person will make fun of their own, you know War stories of them getting drunk or high or whatever it is, right? They'll make fun of themselves But if somebody else makes fun of themselves that person for doing it that person gets really offended, right? So it's kind of the same thing so I wonder you know about these other women So like I am I'm not a woman But what my suggestion would be ladies out there and even men if this is happening to you too like Set up boundaries set up boundaries and let that person know I am not okay with this Right like something that Trisha was very upset about was they they you know in the vlog squad It's always like do it for the vlog do it for the vlog do it for the vlog And it's like I am not here to be your trained monkey and do whatever you want me to do for the vlog Sorry, but that is not something that I'm going to do right and if it gets to a point where that other person is Not respecting your boundaries. I don't care if it's your friends.  So I don't know if whether or not Trisha set up those boundaries or whatever, but it seems to me Total speculation here. It seems to me based on what she said in this it's been going on for a while and they pressure her into doing it and that kind of stuff really does break my heart because Women as well as some men can get pressured into doing these types of things that you know Then we look back on it We feel degraded and stuff like that like when a when a woman does something with her body Whether it's like, you know being a cam girl or whatever it is, right? Like they are in control of that situation. You see what I mean, but anyways That's kind of my my you know take on this and I hope you guys all learn something from this as well and Trisha if for some reason you see this video feel free to reach out You got my name on Instagram and Twitter feel free to shoot me a DM There's anything you'd like to chat about with me if I can be there for you or whatever But anyways, if you guys can relate to anything in this video or anything that Trisha's going through Let's have a conversation down in the comments below. All right But anyways, that's all I got for this video if you like this video Please give it a thumbs up if you're new make sure you subscribe and ring that notification bell and a huge Thank you to everybody supporting the channel over on patreon You are all amazing and if you would like to help support the channel and get some exclusive perks and all that good stuff You can click the top on that icon right there. All right. Thanks again for watching. I'll see you next time


Good morning. Good afternoon, wherever you are. Good morning, Taylor. Good morning. We'll get started in a few minutes and Ian's leaving today. He should be joining any minute now. Morning, everybody. Good morning. Right. It's five o'clock. It's time to start. Okay. First question. I know what my vote is, but I see we've got a holiday coming up. The Labor Day holiday on the 6th of September. Anybody feel that they want a meeting on the 6th of September or that they don't. Being as the agenda is empty even for today. It seems obvious. Right. Well, we'll take the, we'll take the skip. Okay. Good, so all right. We're good with that. Lovely. All right. Standard thing that keeps coming up. Kube common ONS in Los Angeles. I don't know who's going and who's not, but we do have our deep dive session on the working group itself. If anyone's got any other sessions, they think are going to be relevant to members. Then stick them in here so that we all know what's coming up. Yep, it's it's there. Don't forget about it. We also have the Mobile World Congress Los Angeles coming up at the end of October. I have no idea who's planning on going to that even but if again there's any interesting things going on there that you think are worth letting the members know about then do go ahead and tell us what's going on. I do have a general question about KubeCon. I've had, I've never had luck with KubeCon right now I had two different talks that were not accepted one which was a joint talk with Ericsson. Any insight about you know how KubeCon is willing to accept telco I have a feeling they think oh the telco stuff should go in oh and yes. But that just might be my guess. I really don't know. Does anybody here have some insight. It's always been really difficult getting telecom talks into into KubeCon. So your experience there is not is not isolated. Yeah, I think you have to remember that KubeCon's audience is very very broad. So, you know, we're always a disadvantage they're talking about very small subset of users compared to the entirety of what's going on. Mind you you could have said the same of OpenStack and OpenStack at least we used to manage to get talks in. So I think the terminology is a block or two. And I've seen a few of the submissions that that it looks like it would go into O&ES. And I'm guessing OpenStack being that there's a lot of development that was happening at the time you'd have known terminology. But if you have someone that's doing reviews that doesn't even see where it fits in. Yeah, well I also KubeCon's twice the size that the OpenStack summits were even at their peak so again it's much more overloaded with talks I think so they're looking for broad appeal to try and you know get to as many of that audience as possible. O&ES obviously is much more focused on specifically the users that we care about, but obviously less focused on specifically the software that we're dealing with so it's also an odd combination but that's where we stand. Yeah, I mean I totally agree. And I don't know that I don't know who does the reviewing of talks for KubeCon or how they select that panel. Perhaps next time round we try and establish that a little bit earlier or maybe maybe get our fingers in the pie and get a reviewer on the panel. That would probably get us a bit further. Yeah, so I've I've been a part of these particular of a couple of these things for KubeCon and they usually will pull between six to eight people through the industry to do a vote and then they'll get two people to chair it, who then do the the final selection, but generally there is a networking track, but one of the things they did they did historically which should help in future KubeCons is they finally split service mesh from networking. So networking would only have would have a relatively small number of available slots and then when you mix it in with service mesh, it was pretty difficult to get anything that was actually networking related into the network and track. So I think there are some things that can improve but they do have a, they do have a process for for feedback on some of this stuff so I would recommend that we develop a little bit of feedback on some of the things that we're struggling with and respond to them so that we can get a better structure in the future where we can, we can get talks and that are related to to this particular industry. So as I'm on the inside, what have you got to say in the subject. Yeah, so I dropped a link in the chat talking and this is from the latest KubeCon, it's talking about the selection processing kind of like all the numbers behind it. I think what Frederick said is like also true that it's. The numbers, the acceptance rate is low but I think it'll be helpful if they split out now that like service mesh and networking are split out because they're two very different topics. Okay. I'm going to keep that for later, later examination, but let's see. Right. So the ONES obviously is a better target for the things that we're talking about in in one way. So, again, I don't know if anyone knows speakers at the ONES or specifically relevant talks, but again if you want to get them a bit of free advertising then make sure you tell us what's going on. And we will keep an eye out for that, then we can go and heckle. I also don't know how many of you are actually planning on attending in person and I suspect anyone's plans at this point in time are subject to change. Speaking personally I'm likely to be out of the country at the time that it happens which may have been arguably poor planning but we'll see how this works out, my plans might change just the same as everything else. Okay, since nobody wants to talk about anything else I stuck in a note there about least privileges because Taylor and I have been riffing on this for a few weeks at this point to try and establish the whys and the what's. We've got the review already out there for the best practice. But the best practice obviously didn't have any justification it was just here's the best practice. And we'd like to have use cases that speak to best practices. I'm not sure the document we have is exactly a use case yet but it is a wide variety of thoughts on the subject, and I have a link for it. I hope. Maybe that one. Yes. So, this. Taylor you said you've made that public did you. Yeah, this is in the same effort and Google Drive. Right, it's got all of our notes from from the various meetings we've had, because we've been talking about this sort of offline for a few weeks at this point. But we tried to break this down to at least some of the whys and the where falls. I think what's clear here is this isn't a use case in the sense of this is a specific thing that a telco would want to do. It's more a use case in the sense of these privileges and accept it is a widely accepted principle for the purposes of security, but also stability. And we were trying to basically frame that up into in terms of the advantages it would bring in the specific problem space that we have. And the reason that the problem space makes it difficult to to deliver. Based on the fact that we're doing specific networking applications and they bring a range of problems where privileges often called for. To begin with, these privilege. The reason I would suggest that it was, it's important is because if you're trying to work with a platform and a selection of applications, then you break isolation if you give any of the higher privileges that are going on what, you know, we would call a privilege container is obviously a privilege but it's only one form of privilege we've talked about root users in containers as well. Both of them. Well, specifically the platform privileges tend to break isolation between applications and application platform. And if you do that then you start to lose the sense of a boundary between components and without a boundary without establishing what a component is trying to deliver. Then you run into the difficulty of working out where problems arise when they come up. It's a privilege application and it's got power to change all networking in the system, and then my basic CNI calico, whatever stops working. Then do I call the platform team because calico is a platform component do I call the application team because the application could have broken calico. If I call the platform team how do they establish that the application didn't do anything untoward that led to that breakage. Least privilege basically isolates applications from each other and from the platform to the point that when you have a problem you can point a finger at a team and say, this was your component you were responsible for it you are the one who will be able to fix it for me who will be able to find the problem as soon as possible. So I think that's an important reason why sticking to the least quantity of privileges necessary to get things working is beneficial protection. I mean this one's the one that's been coming up in the, in the use in the best practice more but it's only one part of the problem protection is basically saying that if problems arise then least privileges a means to stop them from, you know, a small security breach to all of your customers basically being sold on the dark web, which apparently is a popular hobby at the moment since it's happened to see two service providers in the last week. And yeah, if you try and keep components within their boxes, then there is much much less likelihood that they will get to data that you thought was well separated from from the box that's been compromised. I think we've established previously that these privileges hard for us to implement. There are a lot of things that we want to do with networking that tend to lead to asking for privilege, particularly capsis admin as one example. But other things are set up in such a way that having root privileges over the containers file system is, you know, necessary to get things working. It doesn't mean to say that those things can't be fixed by relatively straightforward means but I think we have to establish to begin with that they do need fixing that simply grabbing the root user and having right right access over the whole file system, or file access over the whole file system is is a dangerous thing and not 100% necessary to making your application work. So basically, educating developers, and I think developers here are one of the larger audiences for this educating developers that there are options available to them that isn't a blanket statement that oh yeah just grab privilege because you know you'll never ever be able to work without it. I've been out some of the things that came to my mind and Taylor as well I shouldn't take all the credit here for problems. One of them is performance, the performance of an application in a networking world is tied up by the fact that you've got a lot of packets coming in on a regular device that you have to get rid of before more packets come in because you know the world doesn't start from traffic doesn't wait for you to process it. So there is a calculation here that I've done in front of people many times before now within my company and two customers that I work with, but I thought it was worth writing down here. So it's a very academic thing to consider in the sense that you know yes I have to basically do numbers and make calculations and you can rework these calculations for yourself if you want. But effectively, we are not serving websites where a user will you know accept anything that turns up within a second. So moving packets and if packets don't get moved in milliseconds then packets get dropped. That isn't the level of performance that platforms are typically optimized for because that isn't the level of performance that anyone else requires. They almost certainly won't say no, but it's never very high on their shopping list to get things turned around in half a millisecond. So that means that you can prioritize your components to the tuning of the application and it typically means that grabbing high level privileges so that you can prioritize your components over your most critical components are is, you know, often seen as necessary. And then a wide raging list of networking behaviors. I'll explain this in more detail and if I sit here and talk through the entirety of the document, you're all going to get bored with me but those are the ones that have a section in this document at this point in time because they tend to be the ones that come up that we've at least in many cases previously discussed in these meetings and in the chat to say that these are reasons why we grab privilege because we're trying to do things that are out of the ordinary again. But doing them requires us to lay hands on rights that aren't necessarily well widely available to Kubernetes applications. In summary I would say that it isn't so much that you can't do these things in Kubernetes it's often that using those platform grade privileges is necessary because there isn't a finer grained way of getting exactly the right you need in order to get the task done. So if I, if I want specific fine grained scheduling behavior I have no way of asking for that for the platform from the platform and the platform offers no concrete guarantees that it will happen as a matter of course without asking for additional behavior. Now, we discussed this last week STP as an example, typically has a kernel module that you require in order to enable it. There's no guarantee that the platform in actually loads or includes that kernel module and you were saying that in fact in your case, you don't like to include it because you consider it to be a security concern. Not me personally but Red Hat. Yes, true enough. I am judging you by the company you work for. You can always leave if you don't like standing for Red Hat on the call. So it's often the case that what we're trying to do here isn't necessarily impossible. It's just not practical in the current world that we live in. It may be that certain areas of the platform need enhancement to make this, if not, you know, not just possible but beautiful elegant from an application design perspective. And I think that's perfectly acceptable to say no one's saying that Kubernetes is is polished and perfect is never going to change. But yeah, without setting down some ground rules like as an STP is an example that all platforms would load that module and include it. Or alternatively that there is a means to ask for the level of functionality that you're looking for, then you get into difficulty writing applications that consume it. Again, I can talk and talk and talk on this. It's an interesting topic, but this is a meeting where you're supposed to do the talking I'm supposed to chair it so I don't know what your thoughts are on this, or whether you want to give this document more study either now or later on and see what you think. So I read much of it and I think it's a great document this is really useful. I like these detailed discussions because there's a lot to discuss. You know, if we scroll up I think the two aspects you identify that the principle gives us which is isolation and protection. Well, least privilege does provide those but if those are our goals there are other principles that can provide that right if our goal is isolation. And say we do need to use I don't know the root user for some reason. Maybe the trick is not to think of it in terms of least privilege but in ways of how can we increase isolation so just an example is caught the containers right that's or or Google's g visor. Right there are, if our goal is isolation and we can't achieve isolation using least privilege maybe there are other things we can do. So isolation and protection as I keep pointing out the whole field of security is far far more than this principle right so there's a lot of ways to achieve protection and all the things that that are mentioned here you know in terms of I guess I'm saying these two topics isolation and protection are worthy of discussing in and of themselves without connection necessarily to this principle. I wouldn't disagree with that I was trying to find arguments for least privilege not arguments that these privileges the only way to do certain things. Yeah, absolutely. What we want to end up with at some point is here is a practice that someone can implement. And we can get to the many different practices that you can have out of, especially if you said we want to follow security practices well that's going to be a wide set so we're trying to narrow it down so that we can end up with some. But it doesn't mean as a group, we must focus on least privilege and we must focus on non right. That's just the first of many things. I mean, taking up your points about cat containers and G visor, then the question would be in both cases. The experimental method here, which is why people not using these things to influence CNS, which I don't think they are, I mean I certainly haven't seen it. But if they are the right thing to do, why is it that it's not occurred to anybody. Could you implement a CNF with them. So, you could take that forward and ask yourself from an experimental basis what's putting people off from a practical basis, sort of tied to the experimental but more more again academic in nature is. Can you implement a CNF with either of those technologies, is there something that completely forbids you or prevents you from, from writing a CNF using those technologies and certainly it's not going to be as easy there are certain hurdles to overcome, like the way again in which we access the network, could you access the networking with either of those technologies in place. But those are topics, again we could explore independently. The point is correct though that both isolation and protection, you could ask yourself for something that nominally provides isolation or protection. Is it a reasonable option to give you a better platform than the one that we're currently looking at. So to keep it on topic of you know in this specifically privileged principle. We're not talking only about not using root user that's one way to reduce privileges but for example to make sure that all your files are right protected or you know that the, the, the mod attributes are all you know just for your user things like that there are a lot of little things that you can do that are easy. Right. It's different than you know wanting to. So I guess I'm separating there's the notion of the privilege keyword right for pods that makes them privilege containers. But we're also talking about a general operating system privileges right right. This section is the general tell right if. And can you scroll down to the section Thursday June 15. She could also find the left, but yeah, there we go. To tell this section has a whole list of potential practices that are all somewhat related to this area. So no written container or just be one that we picked right now, running a container with the privilege flag, or not running it would be another practice. But there's a lot of different ones pod should not mount host directories as volumes or these are just practices. And we have them. If we don't need to go through all these sections but whoever wants to read it. The other sections where we're talking about police privilege or non rude or whatever a topic may have thought may have come up like what you're saying, Tal and saying, what about this and this will write those down. The, this principle of police privilege is the general. Yeah, probably end up with a whole set of practices that reference, whatever this is called we did. Like, Ian was saying it's not exactly like a user story right now, we may end up with some user stories in it, but it's, I think what we're going to probably have more than that is a write up around the, the general principle of police privilege. So we can have a whole set of practices that come out of that and maybe references to other, other topics around isolation and protection now, we could have those just reference to other documents. Isolation itself may be like a focused use case on the need for isolation and protection. I mean, you know, because you've seen what we've been presenting over the course of the weeks you'll notice that we've been working backwards, pretty much from the beginning, right. We should not use routine containers therefore there's a reason for that and we should figure out what that reason is and so on it's kind of. There's a strange way of approaching it but the problem is that you kind of, I would say as a developer I the idea of using the least quantity of privileges is is ingrained in what you do at this point in time. You know you should. Sometimes it's a little difficult to articulate the reasons why you feel that's a good thing so you know because it covers a whole bunch of stuff so having. You know routine containers, you can see, if you follow the timeline up from this meeting that we had a couple of weeks ago, back upwards then you'll find well it's right okay so that's one point of least privilege. What other least privilege practices amount to, again, least privilege. Here's a long list. And it's like okay well now let us work out the broad statement of why these privileges sensible, which is the document that we, or at least the skeleton that we have in the latest Brown that we were discussing which literally was half an hour ago at this point. To get to why these least privilege rules are actually being helpful. But yeah I mean, it's a broad topic. And can I point another interesting tension here that I think it's pretty obvious but everything we're seeing on screen right now which is a great list. There's probably even more things we can add, but it's none of this is specific to telco this is just good. This is a good principle for working on Kubernetes. And of course, much of this document to we deal into well the specific requirements with telco with networking etc. It's attention here right in a way this this part shouldn't be worked on just in this working group that these kinds of this idea of how to apply the principle and tips for doing it are general tips for Kubernetes right this shouldn't be owned by our working group to an extent. But then the telco requirements have to do with well sometimes we do need privileges. The telco requirements I think emphasize the need for security separation least privilege, because, again, we've got requirements on performance where privilege will mess up any guarantee you can promise. We are, and I know you've debated this particular point as well but the general assumption here is that the platform is separated and supplied by someone different from the application, which isn't generally true of applications in the wider world There's plenty of application teams and again we pick an open shift here but I think you'll find that people paying for platforms from third party vendors are often then developing that you know they're the application team paying for the platform, not an independent they're paying for the platform and an application from two vendors which is the concept that we're kind of expecting in the world of CNS. And also the idea that we're running multiple applications from potentially multiple vendors and or development teams on a single platform. So these are the things that emphasize the requirement for least privilege over and above what other people might see but you're absolutely right that most of these are best practices they're just not so emphatically useful in other people's problem spaces. I'm not quite sure what to do with that though because we tend extent I kind of wish this list what we're seeing on screen right now would be open to other members of the Kubernetes community I know that's very huge you know other industries that are involved. This is an area where you know it, it seems perfect for collaboration I have no idea how to manage that exactly. I wonder if it's in the general topic of the Kubernetes security, right, I think there's a secret for security. Yeah, and if you look at what Falco is doing then it's quite interesting. It's more on the auditing the first do it then check it kind of side of things but absolutely it's clear that people have looked at this sort of thing before yes. Yeah, audit and remediation, like if you start a shell in a container not expecting then it can kill the pot as an example. Yeah, which you know trust but verify is a perfectly good thing. But firstly you need to know what you're trusting them to do and I think this is again maybe not the entire set of rules but a set of rules that's quite useful for that. So, well, that it that being the case then we're all basically talking without necessarily close insight into what's happening in the security community. Does anyone assuming that none of us are actually there then do we have any contacts over there that we go and sort of pick the brains of. I go to every one of their meetings and I'm involved in that space so if there's a specific thing you want out of my group I'm happy to make introductions. I think yes I'm not sure it's specific I think it's more a general question of how we could benefit from their learnings, assuming that they've gone studied this rather more directly because it's their immediate focus then I'm thinking that as tell says there's probably more people out there and more to the point this list is not just for us necessarily. What I recommend is, you put together a short talk maybe five to 10 minutes worth. Put it on, put it on their calendar, the way you put it on their calendar is by opening a full request against the, against the security technical advisor group and give a talk and then ask for ask for help and see what they say. Okay. Let me get some minutes written up but please keep discussing while I type, don't let me stop you. The, the two people you can actually three people you can ask for help there. The first one is Emily Fox, the second one is Brandon loom, LUM. And the third one is Andrew Svega, and any one of them can help with. We're getting involved with that community as well. And Andrew, who. So, Emily Fox, Brandon loom, LUM. Third person is Andrew Svega, and one M on. What's me for LUM it's just one M. Perfect. And Andrew Svega is involved, he works on as fire and spiffy stuff. They're project wise on the sick, the tag security. You have folks that are working on Falco, which is the was originally from sys dig security company. They. It does run time. Security checks as well as like pre checks. The people from the open team. Are also on that. The tag security is one place we could also reach directly out to the projects. Test suite. We're actually trying to talk directly with a few of them because we're wanting to get. Utilize the tools for testing specific things. Falco has a. A privilege like the non root user checks. Checking for any root user and any process for all the containers running. Yeah, yeah, I don't want to limit this to exclusively run time checks. I think if we can get static analysis. As well, because static analysis is. If you spot something going wrong at runtime, it's too late because whatever you're running is probably not going to deal well with you just murdering things when it thinks it's about to get started. But yeah, we need both parts of this. So they've also published two white papers one on cloud native security and the second one on supply chain security. And there is a security controls group that let me say I can find the spreadsheet for it, but in short they have a spreadsheet that they're developing it's not finalized yet. That goes over the variety of different security controls. There are the purpose of that one was initially so they can give two groups like auditors or people building baselines so that they can work out. A lot of a lot of people who are who are in that particular chain are not Kubernetes experts and so when they say something like is data and transit encrypted. It's like where do you start. Or if there's, if there's a policy saying you must have firewalls, and then you're running Kubernetes and there's no firewall on the edge of Kubernetes. Then why is Kubernetes sufficient. What controls are there that sufficient that could help replace a firewall, which might be your ingress controllers or other similar types of things. So there's so there's a security controls group that is relatively new that is also putting things together it'd be good to go over the documentation that's been produced by that group to see if there's any other security related things that we could tie into it. Yeah, and I think you have to be careful with some of these statements because, for instance encryption in motion as an example is widely counted as an answer to security problems. But it isn't always appropriate, depending on what you're doing if what your main job is is to move traffic as fast as possible with the least amount of CPU and encryption and and the traffic is moving over a network where it's mostly not encrypted before it comes to you then encrypting it, you know, between your components as an example gets you absolutely nothing. What I'm saying is that all security rules, you have to put into context they don't necessarily apply just because they've been written down once. Absolutely and that's that's something that those groups are very aware of, but it's how do you articulate this in a way that someone who is not in that particular field. We actually see this problem in the zero trust space quite heavily. It's like, you have one camp that says why do I need this. We have sufficient defenses already and then you have the the opposite camp, which is literally, wow, I can put dates, I can put dates in every single component of my system and check them every single time for every piece of communication every, every moment of every day, and which then you end up with extremely high granularity of or unit with very fine grain controls, but you also end up with something that cost so much from a from a runtime perspective that you end up killing your availability and your cost goes through through the roof. So, and then there's a wide spectrum in the middle, where there may be trade offs you can make on either side that land you into a secure or not secure but into a more secure stance than we have today without sacrificing security or cost, or honestly maintainability because obviously encrypting everything gets you less and less insight into what's happening every single time you do it but yeah that there's always trade offs in this. Well, actually, that's the wrong thing to say there aren't always trade offs in this the ones that we should be recommending as best practices first the ones where you're actually not trading anything. Yeah, and you have to look at what's called the residual value at the end of the day, which is, what is the thing you're defending. What is the cost of defending it what's the value. When you put those two of them together, and like what's the remaining value of that information or data or so on. And so it very much people think oh it's just a technical thing know it very much ties into a business and if the security costs that are required to put in exceed the cost of doing business then in some scenarios you may even ask should we even be doing this in the first place. And so, or you maybe you, maybe you go back and try to work out why is this thing so expensive, because maybe, maybe there's a better way to do it or maybe the value the place on something might be wrong so we have a lot of different places you can look at that in short, all of this ends up tying to to the business at the end of the day because some business leader has to make a decision on whether or not they accept the risk, whether or not they accept the cost, or, or other stances that that are other types of actions are present. Okay. So, next steps. Who wants to prepare that time any briefing. I think we can safely answer nobody. Well, to be honest, the document that you and you and Taylor created is a great start, if it can be boiled down to a few slides. I think if we could focus it from away from here is a shopping list of things that we would want to do, because frankly, I think we'd be teaching granny to suck eggs at that point and keep it to the high level of why it matters, or what is most important in a telco space which they might not have considered, then that would seem to be the way to present this we want to be teaching things they don't already know. So yeah, by the way, that together in the future and maybe this is something we could do through here I would like to eventually do a more depth talk there. That discusses things like the various 5g protocols and the security deficiencies that exist in some of them. And that way that people become informed and they can then become part of that perspective so, for example, the, the, the 5g user tunneling protocol that we end up using ends up the whether you're logged in or not is a bit. This user has been successfully logged in, you set it to one and then the gain access and unencrypted. So, so, so the protocols themselves need to have something else that's that's attached to them or there needs to be some out of band thing. Or you accept, like I said, you can always accept the risk. And that's a good idea and that is probably not the idea. But yeah, in short, it would be, it'd be good to raise some of these types of things into those environments because then the, the, the security community at large could then brainstorm ideas that we could effectively do in the environments that would move Kubernetes from being just a hey, we can run this at higher density and lower cost, presumably lower cost to we can run this thing with all those benefits but also get a more secure stance because of things that they would bring to the table. And that would be a very powerful message to push forward to the latest environments. I would, I'd like to get this first best practice put forward with maybe a write up on the lease privilege that we understand into the get up repo. And then we could present that to tag security and say this is we're trying to apply this to networking applications and take all of these recommendations and put them out there, and then ask for their help on that, so that we can say we're taking steps and would like to get your input versus not having a, any type of a finished thing and saying we're waiting for you to do it or something would be different. Okay, so I think we could probably do this in parallel to see how it works out, we can get this right up framed documented committed. And in the process of getting it framed documented committed we could be writing up a few slides for the 10 minute presentation, see how they come out as a pair rather than necessarily saying one then the other. Would that work. Yeah, I mean, definitely write up, like, would do a presentation and sure like, what are we doing, what are where are we trying to go, and then, and then actually give an example of here's one that we're working on, and we've published. I'd like to add more and get your input on the ones that we're doing. They can happen in parallel, the work can happen in parallel, and I'm happy to help with presentation as well as. Yeah, writing five slides is going to take us very long, I think writing five, the right five slides might take us a bit longer but if we, again if we. If we make the attempt we'll see how far we're getting we'll see whether having any success. I haven't read the document but one thing that I noticed is, I haven't seen any examples of you think that it's important to have is one code example or something to use a way to exemplify. Is it the best practice or something or you think that the way that it is is good enough for anyone. I think what you're asking for is effectively the best practices that this suggests. Yeah, I do think having examples is a good thing that look here is what we often see a in practice here be is what you could be doing and here is how to get to be. Yes, absolutely. It sounds like a best practice because then we're making a recommendation of you should do this. But yeah, I mean, I agree with you. Examples are great and that's what we should get to we, if we write documents that are not comprehensible, then obviously nobody's going to use them. So, the simpler we make it the better it will be. Right. We have nine minutes remaining. We've talked about this. There's nothing else on the agenda, but I wanted to throw it open to see if there's anything else people wanted to talk about or any work they've been up to that they would like to kind of mention here. I've started working on my discussion for a networking orchestration but nothing that I'll show public quite yet. It's still very early. I'm really interested in that and I very much like to see that as soon as you get the opportunity or as soon as you basically have something that you're not going to cringe with by every time you present it in public. I think that would be worth doing. Anymore. Okay, one thing I think that came up in passing there's something Frederick mentioned that, you know, some of these things are probably worth a, you know, could benefit from a technical presentation of however long. We kind of get tied up with the idea that technical presentations have to go into Kubecon and therefore we can't get into Kubecon so we never get to make our technical presentations isn't upsetting. In a world of being online and working from home all the time and wondering whether or not we're ever going to be allowed to attend conferences again anyway. We can do technical presentations whenever we want right we can basically have someone make them set a time for them record them. I'm sure Bill and his team will happily put them on YouTube for us as well. There is always that option we don't have to wait for the perfect moment. So, if there are any technical presentations either people want to give, or they want to receive, then I suggest we start making a list of things that we might be willing to, you know, put ourselves out there for an hour and actually produce. If you really want to ask on that I was looking for a tug presentation, and I couldn't find it on YouTube I think YouTube hasn't been updated in quite a while. I expected that all these meetings were automatically be added but I guess it's by request. I can check or bill if you want to check that some of the people that we're doing that we're out so they're just, we may have like a queue needs to be worked through. If you have a specific, if you can go back to a specific date and request, like say, I don't see this one. Yeah. Okay, maybe I'll check again. Thanks. Yeah. Well, if you don't find it tell them just reach out and give the specific date for and whether it's tiger. We should I reach out to bill or are you either one. Okay, thank you. And we seem to have come to a natural pause if no one's got anything further to add then I will give you five whole minutes back so you can run to the bathroom before your next meeting. All right. Thank you very much everybody and I'll see you again next time, which should be next week shouldn't it we that's the week after next. All right. Next Monday. Have a good week. Thanks everyone. Right.


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Yeah, when they introduced it, they're still working on some features and blah, blah, blah. They were testing it. So now, with the response feedback on boarding, so now they're working on it. We'll see if they make any interesting changes to it. Right. Yeah, you have to see. Speaking of changes, maybe a Kenyan entrepreneur that I'd love. There's this lady, Anagita. She's the owner of Keroche Brories. She's really hard to multistime with, that is, what is it, something, Brewery's Cubs? But I believe it's called Keroche Breweries that had tax issues with KRE. She was issued an ultimatum to pay her taxes so the company would be leased or repossessed by KRE. And then they give her a grace period. She paid half of it. She's actually the mother to this socialite lady. She's also an entrepreneur. Nancy Keroche. Yeah, she's an entrepreneur. Yes, she's really been through a lot with that company that had employed, I think, somebody close that I knew. So I think she's fought through so much from the previous regime to this one. But I think she's disappeared. She's not been in the limelight for a minute. Yeah, we know running big, big companies, it's not walking in the park, it's no joke. It's like running, it's an empire. We're almost running an empire. And the taxes. Over 50 million in tax, that's a lot. So it's a lot of money. I'm trying to remember many others from way, way back. Anagita Oji, Manuel Chandari, do you remember him? Yeah, Manuel Chandari. He's the owner of the Chandari franchise, literally in the whole Kenya. I also like to meet him. He's the late Chris Kirubi. Yes, Chris Kirubi. I actually really wanted to badly meet him, but he died when I was trying to figure out. I wish I would have met him anyways. Who else was top on the list among big entrepreneurs in Kenya, but owned big businesses? The, no, okay. S.K. Mashare is big. Yes, it definitely is. He's running a whole, you know, that's an empire as well. Yeah, great. Well, that's an empire. They have TV, now they've ventured into, you know, online streaming, the views that are, they have, they have studios. They, you know, it's a whole big empire, as you've said, rightly put it. So yeah, he's one of those, those people. And what, what question would you ask? The S.K. Mashare. I'd just like to know, like, how was it at first when he started the media thing, especially with the harsh government that was there, that was against media during the Mui era? Because I hear that time you couldn't give an opinion about any media, any politician or criticize. Like right now, you know, that we have shows that are even dedicated to criticizing the president, the deputy governor.  And it was only voice of Kenya was KBC. It was also being controlled. Everything that aired on KBC was controlled by the administration. So I can only imagine how they survived with voice of Kenya, that's now KBC where we are, and how they became the empire that they are today. He must really have a lot of secrets on how to fight through that duck world of the media, you know, realm. Yeah, to get to where it is, it must have taken a lot and investing in the rights people, you know, to have him and how he just runs his business with his wife is something I would really want to know, because you know, family businesses or just running your business with your wife can't be something hard. You know, in a Zanguka, but for them, they run it together. I would just want to know how is the relationship like the family and their kids or just him and the wife. Yeah, from my knowledge, it's his but his wife also is there. So I would just want to know how how they actually manage to run it together. Right. We lose my mind. But you know, somebody said if they are Kikuyu's, don't expect it to fall. Kikuyu said money and business is like it runs in the family in Kamawa, Indi. It's from the cousin, sister, father, wife, grandpa. Runs in the blood stream. And I think that's a good way of running business. Like you mentioned, we've heard stories of someone who said Mia, I don't want to run my business with any family member because they'll mess me up. But it just turns out that these communities, in fact, when it runs in the family, that's when it's super successful. Yeah, it's interesting how I mean, they think it's perceptions also, they have grown up believing that and seeing that being practiced. So it's kind of inculcated in them from a young age. Right. I think it's game time now and just a bit stuff will be coming up with a game shortly. I guys can get to engage and tell us. I have it right here right now. So this is a game that we've played before. If you usually tune it tune in on Monday, we played it with Sakwa and Val and you know it. It's called charades. So this is what's going to happen. I place the phone on my forehead and then there's a name that comes on and then now Sakwa will try and describe it without saying it. And then I guess what he says and then we see what marks we get at the end of it. So you play it with us. All right. So let me put it, let me, let me, let me start it. We are ready, we are ready. All right, I hope it's clear. All right. There you go. In three, two, one. When a toilet is blocked, what do you do? Unblock it. Un. Yes, un. Un, unplug it. Yes. Good, fast. So fast that one. When you fall in love with someone and the first thing they do sometimes, when you meet is they take you out on a date. Exactly. You got it. You got it. Yes. And after they've taken you out on a date, they do what after you've dated for a very long period of time. Propose. Exactly. Now the action is proposing, but you got it in you. Oh, good, good. I'm good at this. When you wake up in the morning, the first thing you do is apart from praying, I know, what do you do? When you wake up in the morning, apart from praying, make the bed. Exactly. It's one thing that a lot of people dream of and recently people have been applying for it and it has a lot of money. Yes, it has a lot of money. People dream of and people think. Associated with the jackpot. Oh, dear. Yeah. Associated with the jackpot. Associated with the jackpot. I love you, Pastor. And when you win it, you've actually hit the jackpot. Lottery. Exactly. Ah, I got it. But I can't deserve it. We can try another, we can try two more. With me? Yes, still only because the distance between exchanging the phone will be a little bit hard. So if we can just continue, I'll be there, I'll be the moderator. All right. So that was, let me choose a different kind of. Oh, they come in sequences. So you can choose between. Yes, there's Axel, there's Impression, there's Family Ted, there's Superheroes. Let's try Impressions. So I know it can be hard, but yeah. Sasa, the game is called Charades. This is Charades and on Impression, it's tried to make your best Impassionation of either an accent or a famous person. So you either, yeah, you make your best Impassionation. So you either act like that person, or you do that accent. Or a gesture. So EG, a British accent or Arnold Schwarzenegger. Right. Okay. Okay. Are we ready? We are ready together? Yes. Yes, absolutely. I hope you can see it. Three, two, one. There you go. There's this movie that had a lot of, how do you guys describe it? But just pass it anyways. Wolf of Wall Street. I have forgotten the character. I wouldn't get it. You had said it, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Passed. All right. I don't know who that is. Please pass. This one is hard. Snow. Grute. Yes. That you've actually given me an answer. She gives a lot of women pressure from her body to everything she does online. They have a show. No, she's American. I don't know how to describe that, but the one is Yoda. Who is Mr. Barnes from what movie I've forgotten. The wife recently visited Kenya. She is the current president of, she's the current, she's the first wife, first lady of the U.S. The husband and it was Joe Biden. Joe Biden. The husband and it was Joe Biden. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Times up. Times up. Okay. Let's continue to, to fix it. We still got time. All right. Let's see the other one. Let's try the other one. Family time. Yeah. It has, it has family. Nice. I don't know what kind. Three, two, one. When you get a rope and you skip, but he, the option is the actual skipping arrow. Jumping. Yes. Jumping rope. Got it. When the floor is that dirty, you mop the floor. Exactly. The action is mopping the floor. Exactly. Got it. It's a very scary animal. It, it lives and operates on a web. Spider. Exactly. You got it. This is easy. When, when you, when you imagine things that are not possible. Fantasize. I fantasize, but you're just imagining building a house, a car, but you don't even have the money. In fact, you could even be poor. Okay. It's not fantasizing. What could that be? What could that be? It's still fantasizing though, but another one is. Yeah. No coming. Let me pass on that. Building a, building a castle in the sky. It's used to travel to the space. Rocket. Space rocket. Space ship. Space ship or space shuttle. You got it. Right. When you want to view something from very, very far, it, let me describe it. You use it like this. These are binoculars. Exactly. You got it. Got it. For shared pass. When, when snow is covering a surface, what do you do? You shovel it out. Times up. Times up. I got one, two, three, four, five out of eight. Ah, I'm being good. Hey, another, another impression. Okay. Let's, let's try. Well, how, how good would you do on superheroes? Superheroes that I've trust me at get a, get a zero. Who do I know in a superhero movie? Samuel L. Jackson is, has he, has he ever acted a superhero? I don't know who that is. Let me try a different one. We have food. Tell me which one. There's in other words. This one looks interesting. In other words, other words. That means like a, a synonym of something. Yeah. Let's try another one. Let's see. You get it. It's the biggest producer of movies. Tyler Perry. It's a, it's a corporation. The first, it starts with Walt. Walt Disney. Exactly. When you take your pupil or a student to school, they are taught by a teacher. Good. You got it. Right. You got it. It's, it's, it's, it's one of, it's like a recent social media platform that a lot of influencers are on. Mm. Tick tock. Exactly. Got it. Um, United Nations of, United Nations of, yeah, I'm just trying to give it another word. It has a slang, but it, it, it's an overseas country that has so many other countries. It's the continent of overseas countries. Yeah. What is the general name for it? The general name for it? America, the US, the rest. United States of America? No, no, no, no. There's a general name for it. For United Nations? Ah, just, just one name that has so many other countries. Europe. But Europe is different. Continuing, consistent of European countries. Uh huh. We had a first, first, before we had a deputy president, we had a vice president. Nope. Prime minister. Oh, wow. Okay. Before we had a deputy president, we had a prime minister. Yeah. Yeah. For Israel, the only one and only. Okay. Number one. Wow. All right. Let's see which, which other one? Hmm. The brands, how good would I do with brands? Mm. Movies, TV shows, music hits, countries, uh, dog breeds. Oh, that would be bad. Netflix, huh? Netflix? That means they're giving us, uh, is it films? Netflix, probably. Yeah, they're giving us films, but I don't think we have the same taste. So it's a part of your watch movie, same. Do we have the same taste? And I don't think I even have a Netflix account. You don't? I don't. All right. Um, hmm. There's the adult corner, but try, try sports or entertainment. Which one? As we see, if there's a category, sports or entertainment. Music hit celebrities. Either of those. Okay. All right. Let me try celebrities. Though I am, this, this, this one I'm going to fail at. Are we ready? Oh, there, that is the category of celebrities. Wow. I'm going to fail at this. Robot partisan pass. I don't, don't remember him. Um, he's, uh, he's the founder of Amazon, Amazon. He's a tycoon. Yeah. He's also a big entrepreneur, founder of Amazon. Um, his first name starts with a J. Jeff Bezos pass. Chris Evans, I don't know who he is pass. Um, he, he was formerly married to Angela, Angela Jolie in Hollywood. He's, he's a main character in lots of movies, Brad Pitt, right? He's also a big actor. He's the latest movie name to, uh, Mr. Howe, but he's, he competes in ratings with, uh, with, uh, with Tom Cruise pass. I'll get part of you. I know I'm not getting any. Hannah Montana. When Hannah Montana came, she was the main character. Haril Names. Selena Gomez. No, Miley Cyrus. Miley Cyrus. Oh, dear Lord. Um, she has, she has, she has a song about, uh, about drugs. She suffered a drug addiction. She's an, an R and B singer. Demi Lovato. Oh. Time's up. Time's up. Uh, I, I've tried it. I've tried nothing. All of it. I think I'll be honest with you. What was the question? I'll be honest. Thank you. I wish. I couldn't have politics. Yeah, yeah. Hey, no politics. Let me see. When you're pulled, there's sports, politics. Full-legs try food. I might just do well in food. Right. If I fail in food, then, uh, that's it. Do you have an excuse? Uh, I don't know what a, a Sunday is or a Sunday. I really don't know how that word is pronounced as well. I, I, it's wrongly pronounced. People say, uh, lasagna. A lot of people pronounce it. Lasagna. Yeah. But I've never tested it. I don't even want to. I don't know what that is, bruschetta. I don't want to try it as well. I, I, it's a type of, uh, it's a type of almost close to a type of a pasta. Um, spaghetti. Yeah. It's, it's another one, but it's a little bit cheesy. When it's cooked, it's cheesy and it grows. It absorbs a lot of water. Macaroni. I don't know what a baguette is, but thanks. I don't know what a foie is, a PHO pass. Oh, if you'd ever do that on my YouTube. A mozzarella view tested it. Pass. I've not tested it, but I know a chef who cooks that. It's a type of cereal. Uh, when you take, when you put it in the microwave, it pops out when, when it's cooked and it turns white and we eat it as a snack. It has a pop sound, pop, pop, pop, when it's cooked. Pop corn. Exactly. I, I, uh, they say it's not good food, but it's original pizza. Time's up for me. Chaka has just given up on me. Oh my goodness. I've gotten two. I thought I was good with food. Well, this is wrong. Should we play the last one? Please. So let's see. Animals. Would you, how good would you be with animals? Let's see. Yeah. Let's try. How good are you for beer? Then we can do a spelling. Um, it's, it's edible, but it stays in a shell and it's mostly found in oceans. Snail. Ocean. Crab. Yes, exactly crab. We got it. It's called the best of the desert. Beast of the desert. Yeah. Best of the desert. I don't know what. And then it's very tall, uh, tall legs and then it has a hump. I know it. Also used to it's hump day because it has a hump that stores. Yes, a camel. You got it. You got it. I know it's called a beast of the desert. Yeah. Um, you've just, okay, let me explain it. It stays in a shell. It has a lot of mucus it uses. Snail. Exactly. Got it. Yeah.  I think I've seen it. It looks like a snake, looks like a snail, but it's not. It doesn't have a head or a tail, but then it's just cutters, but it's black in color and mucary as well. Yes. An eel. So ugly. You'll try Google. An eel. Okay. You'll check it out. Meh. Ship. Ship. Nope. Oh, good. Exactly. It's a ship. Honey, honey maker. Beed. Exactly. Got it. Maw. Cow. Maw. They gather where sugar has been poured. They gather their loot. They give it to you. Ants. Ants. The name, I lost the name. English, it went out the window. Newsflour. But at least I got it in style. One last one. One last one. Good. All right. Occupations. Let's see occupations. Here we go. So, Sakwa, you're ready? Yeah. Good. You're ready? Yeah. When you invite somebody to work in your house, what do they do? They provide. Maybe they talk for and go. They clean up. House help. Nope. The service that they're providing is called? House management. Another word for house management. House cleaning. Something service associated with the home. Home cleaning. Another one. You still have time. You have like 50 seconds to go. I don't know. Another home service. They offer home service. Okay. When you want to venture into the world of property, who do you first start to speak with? A real estate. I mean, a real estate who? Manager. No, it's a broker. Real estate broker. You almost got it. But I think you got it. In Catholic churches, they have who as their leaders? First. Exactly. You got it. When exactly, when you invite somebody to, or when you got the toilet, who do you find doing the? Cleaner. Exactly. All right. A person who is in charge of ensuring that a machine or a production is running successfully and it's meeting its standards. Yeah. Producer. Quality assurance. That's what they're doing. All right. A person who studies and discovers things. Scientist. Scientist. Good. I got that one. I got that one. At least I've tried with this one. Is the time up? Yeah, I guess the time is up. So definitely we go on a commercial break and then when we come back, and this will be to be having an interview. I don't know if you remember this guest we hosted here and he passed on. He was really big in the world of fashion and he had really a lot of insights to give and due to mental health issues he passed on and he was really an interesting person to meet. And somehow I was really close to him. I don't know if you remember when I shared this story. Yeah, of Albert. Yes. Albert. Yeah, it's so unfortunate but we thank God that at least he came to the show and left us with great insight that will still live on you know and yes so sorry for the loss. Yeah man so when we go to a break when we come back we'll have a rerun of that interview to just you know they say when like you're saying you know when somebody you meet with someone and you just don't know what will happen to them the next day. But like you said at least they give us a footprint of the existence on earth apart from social media and what he used to do. So definitely we have a chance to watch about you know the world of fashion and we talked about fashion, pre-nurship, how to make money and what exactly that.


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So, I thought God gave me a talent and God gave me an opportunity to entertain. It doesn't mean that when you are an entertainer and you are now going to government even though the president said I stop entertainment. Ni ndenis idea kutuftia bdiyanakazi. So, I thought why don't I use the trade I have because I'm a believer of anything that you need to change the world, you already have it. So, I thought the talent I have, the space I have at Nyambanesu kitchen, why don't we open the space up for the artist, you will come on to the show, you will come to DJ, and that's what the platform is all about, we have great ideas are cooked. Talking about what you've done, the journey that you've gone through, it's an idea. You started the DJing as an idea, the guys, the young people who have been on the platform tomorrow, Saturday night and Saturday night, we've got Addis Jojo, we've got Murome, we've got, who else do we have, who do we have? We have a chiki so pretty. Mutumishi, and Muthumishi, Uchungaji.  So the agenda is to give the young people a platform to entertain especially online audience at the diaspora that you are talking about. So that is what Nyambanesu kitchen is all about. You know what I like about that is the fact that you continue still doing what you like as much as the presidency should stop. Remember the young people are looking up to you, so they are like, Nyambanesu is now in government, how did they get there? They still want to see what you did, which is a good thing. So keep keeping on, the young people were following you and the people were very proud of you back here. So guys, we shall be going on a short break. Man, Mr. Producer, if you can, please add us more hours, yeah? Yeah, we are here until tomorrow. Imagine, there is so much energy. There is quarantine, there is curfew, so back at 5am. So it's okay, we are here, I'm easy. Exactly, so we shall be going on a short break, but we'll be right back and when we come back we'll be having DJ M on the decks. My name is DJ Perra and this was Nyambane.