So there's a story in the New York Post. They started a GoFundMe page entitled Fire Adam Gase. The fundraising, as of this afternoon, was at $2,640 from 159 fans. And that went toward a plane that flew over New York City's west side. And the banner said Fire Adam Gase. Now on their blog, the movement's blog, said while Adam Gase's name was on the back of the plane, this movement is actually about holding ownership accountable for their actions over the past decade. In reality, that plane should have read, sell the team. But we know that the Johnson family have absolutely no intention of doing that. So at 1 in 7, they obviously believe that it's all on Adam Gase. Now in the blog, it goes on to say, where do we go from here, a section titled That. And the group clarifies that it doesn't enjoy, quote, going through these extreme lengths to send a message to ownership. It cited its continued fandom amid the organization's 50-year Super Bowl drought as proof of loyalty. That said, fans feel disrespected by ownership. The blog reads, the benefit of the doubt is gone. We have been lied to and let down by this ownership group too many times over the past decade to expect Christopher Johnson to fire Adam Gase and be accountable. We feel that if Gase is given another year with Sam Darnold, he will ruin the one possible franchise quarterback that we have had here since Joe Neymar. Gase was specifically brought here to elevate Darnold and we are watching him regress week by week. So it has gotten to this point. And listen, I can't tell people how to spend their money, but I certainly wouldn't waste a dime contributing to an effort to get somebody fired, but that's there across the bear. Why would you fire him now? What does it do to fire him now? What happens if the guy who bet us yesterday and the Jets turn around and win eight games or no, do you have a complete, what's the urgency to fire him now? Do you think he's poisoning Sam Darnold? Why would you have to fire him now? Why won't you wait till the end of the year at least? Because you just want the pound of flesh. Well, nothing is more humiliating in the NFL to be fired midway through your tenure, right? Coach eight games, you're out, you're out. So that's what the fans want. They want to punish him like firing is not enough. During the off season, the quiet of the off season is not enough. They want the embarrassment of it happening now, but let's just say you want to use the logic of he's killing our quarterback, man. Our quarterback is regressing. You got to get rid of him. Who's going to replace him that you know is going to do a better job? The guy that likely would become the interim head coach the rest of the way would be Greg Williams. He's the guy that's got experience as a head coach. He's a defensive guy, so that's not going to help. And you know what? I'll stop you right there. He hasn't done the greatest job as a defensive player here. But somebody has to replace Jets. Yeah, it would probably be him. And he's the guy that's entirely in charge of the offense. So to my knowledge, I don't know anybody that's within the organization that can come in and help. If you're going to go outside the organization, that's not going to work because it's going to be anybody that's going to be connected to anything. So you could do as much damage to your quarterback firing gays as you would keeping gays there. Now I don't think this will happen, but if you remember Bill Parcells who was inexperienced compared to gays, gays at least coached three years in Miami and went to the playoffs. Bill Parcells took over a 40-year-old man who had never been a head coach before on the NFL level and went 3-12 and won his first year. What if the Giants had fired him at the end of the season? What if they fired him in the middle of the season? Now, Peter, do I think that Adam Gase is going to become Bill Parcells' part two? No, but why not let these last eight weeks play out, see if it does get better? If you had Josh McCown still here and you wanted to say, I'm going to make McCown the head coach, then at least I know that Sam is in good hands because Josh McCown I think really helped Sam last year. But you've got to give me somebody that's within the organization who can take over that you know is going to do a better job than Adam. If not, then you play out the rest of the season and just see if it can get better and if it doesn't, you want to reevaluate during the off season, go right ahead. But other than just getting the satisfaction of a pound of flesh, what does it make any sense firing me after the game on Sunday? I agree with you. I mean, there is good reason. If Sam does not improve at all, he continues to kind of regress and they literally don't win again and go one and 15 and Sam looks terrible. I think at that point, it's reasonable to have a conversation about if he's the future. But right now, how could you do that when you don't know what the season's story? You have to let a story play out. Now listen, I think Adam Gase could do himself a big favor by when he speaks to the media, when he comes on our show every Tuesday, if he could start showing a little bit more passion, he's falling right into the Todd Bowles playbook of sounding even all the time. Fans don't want that. I think people hate how calm and even he sounds about something that's spiraling. Here's what he should say because I'm sure he's going to get asked about it and he always pleads ignorance, right? I don't pay attention to that stuff. I don't know that stuff. Bull, when your name is on the back of a plane, somebody's telling you about it. Somebody's talking to you about it. What would be so wrong to just say, listen, you think they're disgusted. I'm disgusted. I'm disgusted with myself. I need to do a better job. Give me that opportunity and then we'll evaluate it at the end of the year. I believe that we can do it. But stop dodging it. Stop saying that we don't see it the way you see it. Acknowledge, hey, I need to do a better job. Now, will that win the fans over? Probably not. But at least it's an acknowledgement that, hey, I know I need to do a better job here.


Alright, sorry for the delay. Thanks everybody for joining, and I think you hopefully can see the window that I'm sharing, and then I'll post it on the chat as well. I appreciate people helping with the note-taking. So, I've got a few of the topics for today. I think a bulk of the time will probably spend on David leaving the discussion on Community Advisory Council. I think we, I think David, you shared an MR, links with the core team members a week or two ago when you started. I got some initial feedback from a few people. I think there are a few outstanding items that we want to talk about. Then I'll get quick updates on Contribute 2020 and wider community members and the hackathon we just concluded last week. Obviously, we'll have time at the end. We have time that we can talk about other topics as well, so feel free to add them to the Google Doc if you have other topics you want to cover. Without further ado, I guess I'll turn things over to you, David, and you can go from there. Alright, thanks, Ray. Okay, so I think most of you know about this proposal. Some of you have commented already there, so thanks a lot for the initial review and for the comments. Just for starters, I want to perhaps emphasize the purpose of this new body or this proposal for this new body. I'm just going to read the purpose as I put it in there. The idea is that the Community Advisory Council is a consultative body and it represents the views of the wider community and then helps Hitlap as a company hold true to its values and open source stewardship promises. The idea is that it is a key part of the review process to provide independent early input and guidance funds and even changes that affect the Hitlap user experience in terms of service. In other words, we want to make sure our wider community is well aware of changes that are significant enough that can affect that user experience. And then we want to make sure that you factor in that feedback and that it helps us guide the decisions. For the details, you'll see the Handbook MR link in there. There's also a link for the review output for easier reading. Before we start on some of the outstanding discussion items, I'd like to gather perhaps an idea of at least on the round here today. If you think this is a good idea, if you think this step in the right direction or if you do some proposed something completely different. So the other question is, yeah, how do you feel about this proposal in general? So I think it's a step in the right direction because as Hitlap grows, the core team alone is far too small to get an accurate view of the wider community, I guess. So if you have a larger community advisory council that you can consult on topics that you think might be problematic. I think it could improve the next decisions, but to have a good effect should be a larger group of people and not just like five people or something like that. Thanks, Dennis. And I mean, I think this is, I mean, not a question or feedback, but I think, David, you have some experience with this too from other communities, right? Particularly at Ubuntu. I think you have some experiences there where things that work well and challenges. Yeah. Just a little bit, I mean, part of the, yeah, sorry, I was just taking if I was a bit. So we had a similar community structure at Ubuntu called the Ubuntu Community Council, which still exists, by the way. It's a bit different that this advisory council in the sense that it had a wider charter because it essentially oversaw all of the other councils in the Ubuntu community. However, the part that overlaps with this proposal is the fact that the community council there was a stakeholder on decisions that affected the Ubuntu community as a whole. And it was very useful to have that first of all sounding board for early reviews of proposals, but also they tended to have really constructive opinions in the sense that sometimes it made us think whether we should go in a completely different direction or we should tweak some of those decisions. So to that extent it worked well. It was a small group. It was less than 10 people and they tended to meet regularly to discuss topics essentially proposed by Nonical, the company behind Ubuntu, but also topics that had to do with anything related to the community. It could be topics proposed by the council themselves or topics nominated by the wider community. For the CAC, I would like to start with a smaller charter that would be the proposal, or by it is mostly about reviewing and providing this early feedback and guidance. I mean to that extent there will still be regular meetings. And perhaps something that's not yet on the MR and something that John Coughlin from our team from the Mid Relations team proposed was to have a nomination process, but it's not just members of the council and members of the HILO team that can propose topics. I think that could perhaps go in line with Hannes thought that it should be, it's not scalable to have a smaller group to just oversee what discussions need to mention. In terms of the size of the council and perhaps to go through some of the points of the outstanding points in the discussion. The initial idea was to add the whole of the core team because I mean you will have a track record in the history of working on the project. You all know the project and GitLab team as well, very well. And I mean I particularly still prefer a favor of doing this. I'm just concerned about spreading yourselves too thin. But perhaps this is an issue that we should do to the core team members themselves, whether they want to join as a whole or whether some of them want to join the council or not. In any case to summarize I think even though that we have those categories for eligibility to join the council and even though we put a limit to that I would say perhaps a good start there would be to invite the whole of the core team, the people that want to join of course to the council as well and perhaps for that to be the initial seat. However, I think we need to have a bigger representation as well and some of the people that we're reaching out to will be the open source partners that we have. I mean the larger projects such as Drupal, GNOME, Devin and so on and heroes and then also customers. I would perhaps still add a note on the initial size of this to have a goal, but I agree that we might want to aim for a bigger size. That's the part where I'm not too sure about, but perhaps to address Hannes' concern rather than establishing maximum then perhaps we could establish a minimum only on the MR. Hannes, what do you think on this one? Yeah, I think it's better because I'm not sure if we should have a maximum number of people there. So if you send invites to let's say a few big open source partners plus a few customers, you'll probably already have like 15 to 20 people if everybody accepts, which probably won't happen, but you're already over the maximum number that's currently defined in the proposal. So I would simply remove the maximum number. Okay, cool. I mean the other you thought that I have as well is in terms of proportionality of each one of the groups we've been being well represented. Right now there's to recap there are six groups or eligibility and just kind of read them from the MR. So we have four team, G-Lab heroes, open source program partners, G-Lab for members with trust level three or four, G-Lab customers, and then G-Lab team members with the background on working with the wider community. To make sure that all of the groups are well represented, I wonder if we should add a note on proportionality as in there shouldn't be like more than, I don't know, 20% or 15% of each one of those groups. That's one thought that I had, just to make sure that the council is there first, but perhaps this should not be a concern at lunch, I don't know. I think that only makes sense for the part of the groups. For example, I don't think the core team should make up the majority of the council simply because you're already fulfilling another role and if you only have the same people on both groups, you're not getting different opinions. So I guess I would somewhat limit the percentage from the core team and the percentage from G-Lab employees, but I wouldn't limit the percentage of open source partners and customers. That's my opinion. They just should be around the same percentage, so not 90% customers and 10% of source partners. Yeah, that makes sense to me. To have a balance between the open source partners and the customers, at least. That's a good idea. I mean, the other thing, this is probably further down the road. I don't think this is something we're going to have to worry about initially. But ultimately, I'm thinking like a couple of years down the road, I think it'd be nice if we get to a point where all of these people are elected to the council by the community members. Because as we get started, we need to form this group and then we'll just have to nominate people. And it won't be a completely like a quote unquote free election. But hopefully at some point, all these people will be done through nominations and elections. And if I remember correctly, I think that's how we went to community council is done these days. But I think ultimately that's, there'll be a nice goal to have. We don't need to figure that out right now, but maybe in the MR, we want to state our aspiration that all the members in the future should be elected, they were like nominated and elected by the community members. But I don't know what other people think about that. Yeah, I think that's a nice goal. Yeah, I agree. And David, did I just make that up about to went to council is that accurate, like is it all elected. Oops, we seem to have lost David. Maybe he didn't like my suggestion. You back David. David are you back. I'm back. Sorry about that. No, no, no worries. So, yeah, I mean, I just like wrote down or now but so do went to council is it correct that is at all like you elected people that's on the council today. Okay, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, it's a one it's one year term it's all like that. But I think for the initial inclination of the of the of the council, I would perhaps do it by direct invitation. Yeah, yeah, right. And the council then can decide how they want to proceed with on the next term with nominations or again direct invite. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that where I think that's I think a couple of us were agreeing to that. I think in the MR we just need to state that that's like an ultimate goal of the council, like in the future we won't have a completely freely nominated elected membership. But obviously it is in the beginning will be done through like a direct nomination process. Yeah, I think that's already let me just double check. I think that's already on the on the. Okay, I could I could have missed it. So, but if I did then I think the only thing that I that I miss perhaps was the house was commenting on the on the composition of the of the council when I was saying that perhaps one thing that might be worth looking at would be proportionality. But that's when I cut off on the trip that's captured in the notes. I have basically I said, I would only limit the amount of employees and court team members because you already have the court team and can get an opinion from the court team members. So, if you only had the court team members to the community advisory council, you won't get any new opinions. And that the majority should be office source partners and customers with the same percentage. Okay, let me have a thought about this. How to formulate. I think the final composition might actually change. Perhaps we might have more or less back or less buckets. But yeah, I think I think the challenge here will be to to find the initial seed of of individuals that that want to participate in there. And I think also this MR will evolve as the first as a few first people join joining as well. So perhaps I should put that much thought on on on size all of them. Yeah, I think I think the menu in this makes sense though, because we have to to make sure that there's enough people to to have a good overview. I think perhaps to to quickly go through the to the topics that should be eligible for a council review. I started with an initial with initial list. I think this isn't an exhaustive and exhaustive list. It's rather rather a start that I just wanted to check whether it makes sense. The idea being that the council should be consulted or could be consulted for any W's that have to do with updates to the good luck terms of service. The telemetry issue would fall into that category. Plans affecting user privacy. Yeah, and that that does apply to to that one too. Controversial decisions on tier placement free versus by paid only on specific features. The idea behind that one is quite often when never we have a large open source projects migrating, and whenever they use it up C, then there are a few features that they would like to be to have ported to the to the to see. And while we try to be flexible and while we try to make sure that those decisions are not only driven by the immigration but also by by our stewardship process. It is, it would help with the discussion if there was a third independent party that that wasn't good luck to advise on those on those decisions, because it is. Sometimes challenging to strike a balance between we wanted to support open source and then moving out to features that that might generate revenue for customers to to the to the free tier, essentially. And then finally, general good luck policy changes that affect whether committee members that's essentially casting a wider wider net that anything that has to do with with the way people use a good luck that it's also eligible for discussion. Any thoughts on those any categories that you think might be might be missing with the understanding that this is something that can control us as the as the council forms. I'm not sure what categories, but I think we also need a way to know the community to propose or get employees to propose topics for the CAC. So, I don't know, even if it's something simple like a form on the side where you can add a link to the to the issue and a short description where you think that should be relevant for the CAC that they receive something like that. Yeah, I think that makes sense. I'm just taking notes and that goes in line with what John was mentioning in the MRS as well and I tend to, I tend to agree on this something that's straight away. Either a form or issue or or a template or if we're using if we're using some sort of a formal as a communication channel which is the next topic. I mean, the form could be another possibility to just people get on the form and propose topics. All right, so to summarize it seems that there are no concerns with the existing list of topics, but we do want to to be for the way to be able to propose topics and that's something that I that I can add to the to the MR. Thanks. And then finally, the in terms of of the communication channels, I think that needs to be a way for the console to to have discussions. Even if they are outside of a particular topic that's being proposed. There are. There could be different ways. One could be key club and key club itself. And I wonder if we need either private or public public project for for that or if it's private and something like service desk, or whether we need to dedicated channel that's outside of of key club. I'm just going through some of the some of the ideas in there, and I'm just scrolling down the TMR. Yeah, I proposed the the form as well. I think that the HANA is proposing also a guitar channel or public this slack instance or this discord. I think I would agree with most of them out, perhaps say, slack instance out rather see either being used, because then we'd be using existing infrastructure. And then. Yeah, and then I think for a slack, perhaps something for the next topic on on on a court team. I'd like to consider at some point, seeing how we could have ways of having our private instance of slack being more public but that's topic for for another conversation. But yeah, I think that the main question is whether within key club would be enough as a communication channel or whether we need something dedicated for the for the team to have to have conversation but outside of of the topics being discussed. I think it would make sense to to gather your your opinions on this. I, my preference, if we're trying to involve more people in the community that are less technical, I think something like a forum would be more user friendly, and it'll be easier to kind of group discussions, which is not easy to do with like slack or get her. But I mean that's my, my opinion, and also I think it's a better option than using the get lab. But as a communication channel, I think it's a little, I don't think it's very natural for a lot of people. But I mean that's my thought, but I don't know people have different opinions. I think using a separate get lab projects can be can work depends on how often the console meets and how many topics there are to discuss. I think one of the benefit of using good lab project would be that probably most of the people already have a good look account that runs a console. So they know how to use it. If they need a more dynamic conversation method as well as they can use, for example, get her. I think most of the discussions should be public in this in the CAC. If there is a need for a private discussion at some point they can risk it lives they can just use a private issue for the time being. And they have the possibility of that. Yeah, agree with us. I mean, I think forum is easier probably for newcomers, but if we if we can end up using a good lab might be better because everybody has it already. And if they want to contribute to it, they have to the need to have an account anyways. And they can even use more of them. You know, but that's just my idea. Okay, thanks for your input. What I'll do is I'll make this this proposal but more concrete in there and then we'll have it ready for a final review. Yeah, I mean in terms of communication channels I think it's okay to have I mean I don't want to have like four different tools that people use in that it'll get really confusing but if it's just like to then I think it'll be okay I mean it's like using get lab issues or ethics to track a lot of discussion I think is fine. And then you know we can supplement that with the like a slack or something that's easier for like a quicker conversation. But I think that's workable. But I think we should definitely avoid having like four tools that we're using. Yeah, I think I like that. I think the thought that is forming from this conversation is that we need one form or one tool for more dynamic commerce conversation and this could be used also for for meetings in remote whenever we cannot use cameras for instance, or voice, and that could be heater and then perhaps a dedicated project at kid lab. Okay. So I think these were all of the points that that I had myself on on that one and from what I gather from the feedback is that the general test consensus that is stepping the right direction is something that we should try. We should see how it works. And then with this, I'll make sure to factor in the feedback from today's meeting as well on the on the MR. Thanks, David. All right, I guess we can move on to next couple of quick updates. I can. Yeah, it's progress of slides. So we had a quick discussion on this. I think last month and then I think there was some slack conversations. I shared a Google doc with that list list people that there were reaching out to, in terms of invitations so I sent the first wave out to eight individuals last week and their combination of like a proof readers and code contributors and I was pleasantly surprised. I mean, like for New Orleans, it took a long time to get like a two people to attend but out of the eight like four people, I mean accepted the invitation, which I'm very excited about I mean to have declined due to scheduling issues like to I'm still trying to follow up on. But we'll be reaching out to other people like particularly heroes. That's sort of the next wave. So that's sort of where things are. And I assume for all the core team members that are not get lab team members I assume you got like invitations to register that's that was my impression. Let me know if you have any questions with registration or booking travels and all that. Hopefully, see most of you in Prague. But that's sort of where things are. But if you want to find out who we reach out to, like I don't have the Google, Google that can be I'll post it on the chat window when I find it, but you can track the status on the tracking sheet I think there are about 20 or 30 people listed there, the people that were trying to reach out to including the court team members. Okay, and update on the hackathon that concluded, or that happened last week. So we had another record hackathon in terms of number of MRs that came in was obviously, obviously, pretty excited and happy about all the contributions a lot of court team members you helped out as well in addition to participating. So definitely appreciate that and Vinny's not on the call. I think, David you posted this on one of the slack channels to I mean this was this epic that Vinny open during the hackathon was just a gold mine. I think I was doing a count of how many how many MRs were open as a result of this epic it was like 29 or 30. I mean, big thanks to Vinny for for opening a potential coal mine for contributions and he's been really good about like reviewing this as well I mean this is like few days leading up to the release date and so this was. This was pretty awesome and we talked about in the slack about creating a like a similar template for so that people can work on like bite size issues. And I think it made really easy for a lot of people to just jump on the jump on these like issues that was part of the epic. So I mean any rate regular maintenance items are tested that we can create similar ethics for. I don't know, like, if you guys can think of any on the spot but if you have any suggestions I'd love to hear them, I think we can create a. Use this as a good template and I'll probably reach out to some of the other engineers and engineering managers as well but I work really well I think I went for like a quick run. During the day one of the hackathon on when I came back my inbox just basically exploded with like MRs that came in. So it was pretty cool, but just wanted to share that in case you didn't notice it. Thanks Hannes for posting this spreadsheet. Yeah, I mean I thought it was it was awesome. It was it was I was just watching the MRs coming in on the hackathon and I was realizing these all look similar. And then I realized that we had created that one. So I wonder if there's something that we could perhaps standardize on not just before the hackathon, but perhaps even before when we do the kickoff, the monthly kickoff. I think your idea of having a template and perhaps then adding that to the to the handbook and reaching out to engineering managers and product managers and engineers during the kickoff. Perhaps making sure that that's on the agenda might be might be something that would really help us again, not just on hackathons but like on every release cycle. Yeah, I mean, this is something I'll probably talk about in the future, Corti meetings but one of the things that I mean David and I talked about was creating like a hackathon in a box sort of package. So anybody who organizes a meetup can just do a mini hackathon on their own like face to face when they're doing a meetup like in Cape Town or wherever the meetups taking place and if we have a lot of these like a templates that people could just grab. I think it'll be very handy. And then, like David said we don't have to wait until the hackathon to create these things is this could all just be available just waiting for contributors to to grab. So yeah if you have any suggestions or ideas and we feel free to let let me or David now, but yeah I thought this worked out worked out really well. All right, so that's it for the hackathon. Any other topics that people want to cover. There isn't anything else. I guess we can just wrap up the call and we'll meet again in about be three weeks will be second Wednesday in December. Cool. All right, well thanks everybody for your time. Have a have a good day or or good evening. Have a great day.


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through the spirits in the Lord and that's what I might not be as deep as you I'm trying to get there though no but I'm just saying you guys had time where y'all did stop just talking on the daily like y'all when y'all first started you know I mean cuz you told me that story about how you guys went down to Atlanta or they came down to Atlanta I think they came down didn't when I when I first met him yeah he came today yeah yeah that was hard and and that was when it before he even miss a soldier boy any of them folks yeah yeah yeah this before all of the all of the big stuff anybody saw we did all that together Wow yeah who fame was the was a pillar in Texas for about two years for sure yeah did you you know a lot of people in the Dallas area say you messed that deal up when it came down to QC that you made a wrong decision by not linking with them when y'all had that opportunity just give me a reason why you decided not to go that way with him all right so this true story first off the coach came P you know we look up to those guys you know sent out QC the money they offered was like no we had that in our pocket at the time and I didn't know what I know now but I knew that yeah yo was was something special and I was remember vividly looking at coach K talked to me but he's looking at yeah yo and I saw how he was looking at him and I knew what I thought about yo you know I'm saying and I knew what yo thought about itself but to see coach K looking at him the way he was looking I was like you know and we never even told him no it was just like because we still was cool with those guys but when we left QC like I said this before man we went to Warner Brothers the guy who signed PMPC and E-40 and Britney Spears and Jason Derulo won a yeah yo went to 300 that's who signed you know Megan Stadion over there now you know everybody's at 300 Atlantic call the guy who signed young boy and Kevin Gates and young thug then he went to soldier boy house you know I'm saying like I saw all of this stuff happening um after Q we went to the QC deal so it wasn't about missing nothing up it's about we knew that where yo yo was and what we had going on as a whole was was was I don't want to say bigger but it was more important for us to to go on a path of our own because we was trying to beat him feel me that's hard so okay you get you get down and you guys decide not to go with him but I see yeah yo a little later on and the internet and the way he was being portrayed to me it seems as if he had almost turned up when he met soldier boy to a where he was almost defended him and going in on different situations that's his partner yeah so he basically started really aligning with soldier boy what when did you did you see them when they met each other yeah man look so and everything I'm saying is a fact you feel me when coach K and soldier boy started following yeah yo I had the phone in my hand like and then like I think I caught him we might have been with each other with one of them but I say look at this so when soldier boy started DMing oh yeah yo DM him for like hey what's up with it and then soldier boy when he responded like that that's when we knew that he had been watching because before we talked to him he had to the blonde and is her true story and then he started DMing and they was cool and she went out there like it wasn't nothing like I like I didn't go with him I sent I sent one of my partners out there to go with him or whatever and yeah that's what happened that's crazy they ended up on TMZ you know I'm saying what happened man it was I don't know who soldier boy had in his career but whatever but they ended up on TMZ you know the yeah yo had to you know the you know the the prop guns or whatever and you know and that's how ultimately soldier boy they revoked his probation because of that you did what I'm saying wow you know that situation kind of like I'm not gonna say the labels like went away but they kind of backed off a little bit but yeah yo still was was big though you know I'm saying yeah cuz that was a real defining period for a soldier boy as well he has phases soldier boy has phases when he came in the game he was definitely one of the first internet you know sensations and and when he came in the game it was like he just he brought a whole new element to the game and I think a lot of times people didn't really know how to perceive him and they pretty much didn't early on give him his props and then later on kind of try to make him out of a joke when he really was a serious business dude from what I could see a lot of those people a lot of the rappers he got a lot of their stuff from soldier boy ain't gonna tell you that yeah yeah I see that facts yeah you can tell just I mean when he talked about Drake on a whole breakfast club yeah when he make it seem funny but when you really listen to him he really be popping it like this why this happened that and it be some realism to it so watch this soldier boy he he's he knows what's going on in America when it comes to the new stuff the music so for him to recognize what was going on in foreword tells you what's going on in foreword but he was watching Dallas I was talking a little wheel the other day when he was on here and he always was watching down south in these areas so he even did tap into them when little spain in them was dealing with that my doggie song so this ain't nothing new he was already sitting at this area was really popping yeah and I think that he stayed focused on it you know what I mean yeah and and you guys you know of course you know hijacking you guys wasn't that hard you know you take y'all stuff and take it everywhere else you know and teach me how to dug in turns in everybody love me you know and you know then the red stripe that you know all the blonde hair I look all that you know niggas take your style yeah so then when they you know when they take it from us and then people take it from them we just spread all over the world yeah yeah yeah if it's good people gonna want to be like it right yeah so if it ain't good then you ain't got nothing then ain't nobody gonna follow that trend you know a lot of times you know nigga I'm podcasting over here niggas it seemed like you know certain things change with Ron my element I just is this the only podcast in Dallas I don't know no other podcast is out here think about it that shot out super tight my boy boy yeah he just coming in that's my boy but I don't know no other podcast they do a lot of interviews out here yeah you know what that is the truth I never seen it that way nobody kicking it like this what would you call real life real life is they do interviews it's not a podcast so what's the difference between interviews and podcasts all right so check it so the whole setup in here is real player you feel me it's real if you want to say podcast it like yeah real life you know they do different they do they interview style is different from the norm because they kind of a little bit away from it got the cool lights in the back yeah dig what I'm saying and you got other guys that just might sit right in front of you but these mics the different mics how I sound right now I don't get to do that nowhere else wow and I didn't think about that and that's because rather because we never shot the real life but we never really go we don't we just mind our business bro when I first started this man it was just me just saying I wanted to do something to mr. kovic that basically would make our stores stay relevant during a time when people wasn't going out you had a great idea so that that was the reason and thanks but that's that was the reason for putting this in here because we've been here for like I always say now 16 years anybody got no you see one two three four cameras on me man right now we got a couple that we ain't even got on the set that I can pull out yeah he's got three mics in here yeah four and we oh yeah clear yeah ain't nobody doing it no but we do it because you guys deserve it you guys have done something man in these areas with the way that you guys have drove just game just drove just power drive the game you know I mean for us people don't give the credit to you guys the way you deserve a lot of time so I think with my with the way I was in and put it into this thing I always love hip hop that wall was there before I ever even started doing podcasting but I was always in the hip hop you can tell that always was dealing with these niggas you know I'm saying so when they finally popped off right it was like I love music my wife was telling me the other day how I drive a car my truck when I drive with the music on my old school when he used to drive okay when I first met him right it was a it was a green Ford one Ford F-150 yeah I love them when I tell you every single car that he was in I the linker I'd want to put air plugs in my ears put in that way it would be so loud yeah you can't talk you can't the windshields beaten and I'm like yeah in my mind I'm like it's a Texas thing because when I came here first and I went to school it's like everybody who would drive through the city that's how it be sometimes being a raggedy car down your block you see the car gonna fall apart like this is a is this a cultural thing is this is it a Texas thing I don't know I've never seen it in the world it's it's a down shaft thing yeah hip hop man so cuz I had never seen it cuz I used to always go to Florida and Florida don't definitely don't do that they got the way it's doing they've got them big ones on they go down there yeah but where I was I didn't hear all of that and see all of that well I think the music thing is just that's just to each individual when you love music you know I used to go to the club when I was young so you know and I have when we first started we had sure how long y'all been together 20 years sure with Vegas and six by nine you know this a whole different level you know six by nine you might put by we could put 10 or 12 in there six in that thing in the back wonder year yeah yeah that before I was just beating down the block then I went got them sure with Vegas shout out to my cousin now he can't do it you know yeah I got 12 and when we driving now and he hear people doing it he's like damn why why they got to do that I'm like you used to be the only time I really get frustrated when they do when we have in the setting here I hear it out there but just here you drive down the highway and you said the same thing no I like I like that music are you doing that man I like that it's what you call getting older I like that music bro no cap like if it's right I like it who's somebody came out there and had it in the car I went out there just said and feel it one time it might have been throw the essay oh yeah yeah in the Bentley you know I'm just jumping that thing just sit in the back seat and rough to my chest you know so man let's get back to you man so when you think about just the Dallas area in the Fort Worth area man is there a quietness in when it comes to the hip hop game now or is that thing bummed because I don't be at the clubs like but I know it's quiet but so it's musically quiet if in a sense you dig what I'm saying from what it what we used to but it's a lot of talking going on it's a lot of rookies but they know but the music well you got big extra plug yeah you that's one person yellow beads it just had a dang project to come out yeah bad-ass yellow boy and yeah he had some he had a PMC song on that thing it's quiet though he just just just keep saying Dallas ain't like what it used to be well you got to remember like in in any second you'll have ten artists man that's hot and popping in whatever area in Memphis you can give it to Memphis you can Alabama no I think it's in Memphis Alabama had they run it's in Memphis right now for sure it's in Memphis named the ten artists in Memphis that's a lot the reason why I said ten because you said you know Dallas you started ten artists but that's the reason why I'm saying Memphis I don't know big artists big ones no because you said Memphis have it yeah why does Memphis have it who is the artist why you say my real a girl just went in she busted right open they got it oh they see it's a lot out there name them you got you got big scar right there yeah it's more even after that I know because I'm wondering cuz when you say this city have it I want to know why and who you know I think if you start looking through the internet no good but he be got all this from over because he just signed somebody the other day I saw it I see from his hometown that's in there yeah Alabama he was a home town because he went back to the original 1017 where his I think his grandma was whatever yeah and he did a video from there showing that you know that's the original 1017 that's the reason why he gave him the chain everything right there on the property so he got he label mates with a hot boy wisdom yeah wow that's hard that's hard hot boy was hard he ain't slowed down he gonna make something he kind of had a little hiccup around on the what went on but I got to get him back on the show but then the nigga don't slow down he wraps and they go right yeah you're at the food you wrap hard yeah I saw a lot I like I like him a lot like like his the way he carries cell the way he come across as a genuine dude what you see is what you get yeah he ain't you know I know he a real stomp down dude when he come down you know he ain't for the back down from nothing and but he also if you talk to him and you a real one he gonna respect it and that's what I like about him and we forget that we were young you know I mean and I don't that's like nah man I remember when I was at age you probably couldn't even talk to me yeah you see what I'm saying I know you could I was listening too hard a lot of time I couldn't listen to you nigga you ain't know what I'm doing I'm let's talk about I don't really it's been a few people to come over here and talk about you but we don't just you know you there's a lot of niggas there really you know I don't know how come you all seem to be rougher niggas fellas at all times can I can you tell me that but you don't see I don't see you in the media doing it yeah man is you know when it's real eat that's what go on you know I said they like I told you I told somebody that spoke previously they not supposed to like somebody like me you feel me when it's the real deal and I shall know the truth about all these guys man they just they just look at it I'm not no real internet type of dude so I you know I'm saying but I know these guys real business you know I'm saying I know they're not really none of that shit they be talking about on anything they don't they not own none of that and that's cool okay tell me tell me this man cuz I hadn't talked to you since I know walk like George passed away man RIP just in peace walk like John walk like John was one that was always pushing the influence of the music over there with a Kenny Kenny with a Kenny B was was real close to him when that when he passed away kind of just give me the information on how you know is Kenny B have you seen Kenny B nice song but you've seen the move right for as far as yeah the movie yes I mean is he in is he just changed his life around or something I ain't seen him a talk to a man you got it you know my boy right there but at the end of the day I'm just saying you know I know I was happy when I saw that online that's good in his life to Christ anytime somebody trying to do better you know you know niggas gonna laugh you niggas is funny to me you know niggas is not gonna really let a nigga make it when you're trying to do the right thing niggas be laughing at me niggas cuz I love God you niggas is horrible I'm talking about the airwaves like when you try to do right even though you know you know people don't really they rather it's an evil world we live in sometimes I just put it like the world is wicked man but you have to we have to you know we got to make sure that the good our way to bed that we there we be a light in darkness because it's a lot of times I'm telling you I was happy to see him get baptized no matter if he go back and have some issues later on or whatever you mean don't matter it do matter don't if you do it you're not supposed to no no no no no no no nobody is perfect we all fall and we come back up if a person just like me you might see me do something wrong that don't mean I'm gonna start the game with God I mean I just fail for a second I'm gonna get back up that's what a just man fall sometime but he get back up so let me put it this way hold on before you say that let me look at this real quick even like the people who walking around looking so perfect or even doing everything they're not even just messed up you send even when you think about certain things and a lot of these people are thinking about certain things you know because they're human being and lust especially a man who's so holy man who is holy and righteous or whatever and a woman passing a short skirt his head might turn no matter how holy is he might say man walk by them great joggers you might say you know Lord forgive me you know whatever but there's nobody perfect in this world at all yeah you write about so if you if you so if I say I go get baptized right okay then I get on in it and say man I go be like our supreme he just made a mistake here that's what God is you know how many of them do I get you he's many times that's good stuff you just went biblical man I like that yeah that's really what it yeah 70 times seven so you it can be whenever but at the end of the day you trying bro I mean I always ask people what's the difference between a struggling hypocrite and a person who is a Christian is trying to keep on feeling what's the devil how can you tell I mean it you know you can't but at the same time when you do that when you do that when you give your life to Christ whatever and you do something like that the spirit supposed to convict you as much as we get into spirit I mean we get in our flesh and da da da da but when you sit back down and you like man I shouldn't have done that what did I just make a conscious effort to go lay down in this water to baptize my body my spirit and my soul and I supposed to understand that if somebody make me feel some type of way I ain't got to get on the internet and you know I'm saying related but it takes time and practice it takes time and practice because at first if you do if you're this way all the time and that's what you normally do and as long as you made that effort the reason why I love person is getting up and and giving their life to Christ a lot of times it's always take something detrimental and we know what happened you know why he did that but at the same time that's how life is it takes something detrimental somebody losing somebody somebody facing a life threatening situation whatever and they say you know what I'm gonna give my life to Christ I can't do this no more but if you were always this way in the beginning and you give your life at a time the devil gonna come at you a hundred fold yeah a lot of devil's on here mr. maker hey hey hey hey you mean there's a lot of devil's on here a lot of devil's come sit up here man and put the explain headphones on and talk wait a minute what devil it's a few devils know you know it's a few people that maybe you don't you and them might not see out of that what you think it is yeah but that don't make him a devil you don't think so okay you devil is like who let me tell you this right now the devil has used every single person in this world not one person is exempted at one time or the other that's right so that's everybody you understand what I mean yes ma'am but you've dealt with a lot of situations where I might have seen this thing that you was a devil tell me when well you know there's been cases man there was I needed to come on we cool specifically tell me when just the og percy incident man stop it man that was different incidents there's been different incidents where people might was the devil where they might have thought you took on a devilish perception of it the same thing with a terry blue or shun cotton they may feel that way because there's been issues with the devil on the lord man you see so it's all about perception and how you feel about the situation and each person gonna feel like the other person right or wrong and that's where you start to depict see right or wrong don't got nothing to do with the lord do you feel me there's no judgment going on I'm telling you where how do you feel like because I know you know the lord because you know the lord and make another lord at the end of the day so y'all know who y'all dealing with but each person can make a no that's not right because anybody can take on a different characteristic at any time and you know they people are doing different things just like I said everybody's right everybody's a work in progress and me I'm definitely people do things that they realize they shouldn't have done and then you get pulled back realize it mr. maker when they say ended up after usually after just like somebody come to you okay let's go back to the og Percy situation because that's what y'all brought up right when y'all when y'all was cutting up and y'all brought it up so look at this look at this when that happened right you brought it over and I brought it over y'all were getting into it and you were trying to you know calm the situation down so let's go outside whatever but he didn't want to do that right you started y'all started arguing and whatever but you could have been like you know what God bless you let me go that's what I did now you did it took you a time for you guys don't play me it took you a minute because y'all y'all were arguing a little bit but then the Lord came and I picked my phone up and then I said what I'm saying but what I'm saying the devil used you for a second it was a quick tell you till you realize but I'm using this example to show that in reality in life everybody goes through this even if it's for a quick second sometimes might take a month might take a day for people to realize that you know what I was wrong so when they come up here and do these interviews and say the most blasphemous stuff that you could ever think of I didn't think they thought about that before they said or they freestyle it but you got to think about it it's not everybody has found the Lord yet they ain't okay I give you some people that you might see they're going through certain things they have some people who don't even believe in God because of the situations that they've been through in life I've met people so many people who are like that and you can't force it upon them because they have to go through what they have to go through yeah some people have lost their mom their dad their sister their daughter whatever and be like or friend or friend and during that time no hold on and during that time of bereavement or before they got to that before they got to that time they were begging Lord save this person's life save this person's life and life wasn't saved so what they start doing they start they start to blame they start to blame God and because they blame God they say well I don't believe in him I don't believe in him I give up on this I don't believe in this person that's what normally happened to a lot of people well I can't say I can say you try because you prayed on what made you pray online but you know what you prayed before three it was four y'all I seen it on YouTube and you started to pray for everybody on the panel I mean did you do that from the heart for sure yeah I don't play like this okay so what made you pray for those guys that day I felt like one of them needed it specifically so that's why I did it yeah and so you you just say let us buy ahead I remember that I was proud of you I say you don't just were they quiet on there it was quiet all right and that's good I didn't see it but I'll I'll see it but I applaud you for that it was some devils on there too so that was on a mid-jamaic but that's fine you did what you were supposed to do a lot of times God speak to us in so many different ways a lot of times we don't we don't always listen sometimes you know we say we make excuses you know what I mean we're like you see somebody in need and you're like well I gotta go here I gotta do this I don't have time to stop to help that person but you know first mind saying I need to stop to see what's wrong but your other mind is telling you or you know like me watch those cards you said angel and the devil on the yeah that's what it is in your head one is telling you don't stop you you're on a time limit but if you got two devils on you you don't know that everybody gotta know everybody got an angel in there and everybody let me get back to a couple of things before I get him off this panel but go yeah yo how's his spirits being locked up right now he been going now for how long like two years two years home next year it'll be home next year you guys gonna work y'all gonna work together no it's a lot of beautiful things going on right now you see the free yeah yo are you guys gonna work together we're gonna do what the Lord tell us to do okay um who in Fort Worth but I wouldn't be wearing this you did what I'm saying if it wasn't no love it wasn't no definitely love y'all started together you can never get away from that um but uh are you gonna work with Kenny B anymore or do you see him you know getting back in all all the Lord's children will return back to the to where they came from uh everybody wow k breeze as well k breezy ain't never win no word so you still manage k breezy I love k breezy do you still manager she's not doing music right now oh okay she whenever she cranked back up she yeah okay what about throw this a you guys still working together that's my guy it's all love eat with everybody everybody is gonna you're gonna see everything with everybody okay um so who else do we need to look out for coming out of the forward area right now the boy you bought on here last time is he got any music out yet yeah man yeah we should yeah where is it it's projects videos or are you working on everything you know you got a jail he just got out of jail when I brought him here he had just got out of jail damn I didn't know that yeah he probably about total about five million views on the internet right now Lou that's hard that's hard man um what I did I don't want to leave nothing out so what's the next move what what can we look from from you from you next for as a man uh before I go I got a movie don't you yeah but this is what I'm going to tell you is bigger than that so myself and uh three other guys from forward we have a program um a youth enhancement program okay it's going to be like an academy that we have presented to the city of forward um and the school districts and they jumping on it so basically we'll be implementing like you know etiquette uh you know this because I've been in situations with kids at labels and just different situations and watch them do and say the most outlandish shit that we never even discussed so now um it's a few of us back in forward so we just going to put together man it's already together um just to help these kids man from like nine to like 18 that's all um and we're going to teach them everything we'll bring y'all in to discuss running a podcast okay let's pay y'all to do that I don't know yeah you know I'm just saying like that's what we you know got the nonprofit setup team no south um it's a lot of things going on man it's a lot of beautiful things um so so thank you for the plug with doc uh for reaching out for him you know I like to keep it all the way live over here I don't care nothing about none of that other stuff like I don't care nothing about kuda he reached out he he had followed us already but just for you to even reach out to him and you guys you already did uh interviews with him for your documentary I heard you say trap boy freddy was on there I heard you say uh who else you say was on there uh we got George Lopez on there um leju made the beat that's making a stallion producer he on there uh don chief on that my guy shout out chief uh Lou will the wheel uh all them boys it's a it's a bunch of it's a mug too I can't remember but that's all right man thank you so much man appreciate you for what you're doing for the coach keep on pushing sure uh uh like I say uh next time uh if you had to go to go back would you sign that deal with QC if you had to go back with you and go yo you're sitting in that office so I'm gonna say this uh everything come back around again okay deal with him okay everything comes back around again okay you know I heard you're gonna be proud of me and you're probably proud of me now but you're gonna be really proud in a in a few months well I just heard a lot of people say you should sign that deal well a lot of people say a lot of things I just told you what it would do yeah hi there of you and they'll still talk that's me ma okay miss deal but I don't I don't I never met her so but I know y'all always call her me ma yeah okay that's family that's good man well hey man shout out to everybody that's uh uh definitely uh on that on that roster you just got back from Atlanta I know you you're working so uh I can't wait to see whatever uh comes up next man say man make sure y'all guys tap into boss talk one on one man where uh you know subscribe like you know you know don't forgive us for supreme that that's not that's not our fault but hey man check it man so how can people get all day if they're trying to reach out uh Bob McGriff on instagram and uh facebook and yeah that's it Bob McGriff happy belated birthday thank you man man I'll just say man uh keep on doing your thing and keep us posted on go yeah y'all give me his address because I'm gonna write the nigga and put some money on his book because that's what real niggas do you know I'm saying for real I got you all right check it man hey man it's been another great segment of boss talk one on one where the bosses talk and yeah