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Hurry Now to continue our story Tin cup Smith the fiddling prospector had been murdered and deuce his dancing dog wound it by Minesalters bet on swindling a young couple from the east Coming up on the dog as they rode down Pearl Creek to investigate the rising water The Lone Ranger and Tahoe found that he had been hit by a charge from a gold loaded gun The Indian was saying no one shoot dog with gold, but crazy man or a mind solider What do you think happened to tin cup? Hi my friend. He's dead. Maybe do This rising water means what I think it does now. We can spare him the pain of using his crippled leg Take him on your horse Oh As the masked man and Indian rode up out of the creek bed Stubborn Healer emerged from their cavern hideout a short distance above the landslide which had buried tin cup Smith Stop leading the way as they pushed through the narrow mouth with bowed backs suddenly halted here Look down below us. Hey That quick sure has come up a lot since that blast caved in the bank. It'll flood this place before long We got all our gear we can camp somewhere else. Yeah, let's get up the bank. Yeah, you better see if those greenhorns are back Yeah, there's someone coming up here. He's headed right towards us. I can see him now. Slowly it died. These coattails are flying We wasn't expecting you boss those clutch won't sign The other way out here we could have taken care of them ourselves this job has got to be done, right? Before they left town Mrs. Clark notified Sheriff Brady the tin cup is missing How do you aim to get rid of those greenhorns? We'll arrange another accident landslide.  We couldn't get away with two of them I'm thinking about that cave you fell asleep in cave. There's a big boulder close to the mouth Three of us can pry it loose and push it over far enough to keep anyone inside from getting out. Yeah, let me talk We'll catch you the Clarks Shut them in there and let them drown They're found it look as though they were hunting tin cup and got trapped when water loosened the rocker They call me Fabbling up from windfall along a stretch of creek bed that was now completely dry Brad Clark and his bride reached the landslide For a moment they stared in awe at the vast mass of stones and gravel which covered their camp and prospect holes Then Martha gasped Lawyer Dom he and those other two men have been hiding and listening Yes, you're right. Oh Brad don't point those guns at us. We're not armed and you're frightening my wife I Apologize get on with the job boss can't take chances with the sheriff around what he's going to do to us Remove you shall we say we know you're a cheat, but we haven't any evidence that will put you in jail. You don't have to You don't have to do anything desperate. I cover my tracks. Well There's nothing left to tell why the late tin cup Smith departed this world or who hastened his departure It will be the same in your case. Yeah, now get moving. It'll soon be dark. Where are you taking this up beyond the landslide? We'll prepare a place for you there Brady had met the lone ranger and tato on the trail holding his gun on them He accused them of killing tin cup and ordered them to dismount. I'll meet it all for it With dog in arms, you know one drop him in wounded. So you want me shot him too? I'm down now.  I won't give me gun condo. He got you covered now All right All right, take it that's better.  How did you know that? I'll tell you we ride back into the saddle Oh Light had fallen by the time the crooked lawyer and his two men reached the dark cave where they intended to entomb Brad and Martha While we're straining to place the big rock in front of the opening they heard doos howling again Lawyer Dodd sent stubborn Heela to finish off the dog while he guarded the two Easterners Noon time the lone ranger and sheriff Brady had reached the landslide and were crouched among the rocks with doos sitting nearby Mourning his death master Handicapped by the darkness they had failed to find any trace of the crooks or the Clark couple except three horses and two burrows These they had hidden before taking cover themselves Impatiently the sheriff asked why we don't hear mass man. Doos has told us what they did to tin cup He's going to bring the killer to us. I don't savvy that after he escaped the landslide. They tried to shoot him Probably because of his howling. I'll try again. You're using him as bait.  You may need it. Thanks, mister. Listen somebody come We got you covered Oh Quit it quit it. I say quit it Talk it pull cap or I'll let him at you again. What did you do with mr. Mrs. Clark?  Let the quick flood it if you've heard come on What's the clerk? How did you get away from that? Good I'll find him too late.  What are you going to do about him? The old fiddler will have to stay where he is. I don't reckon you can get the dog to leave Well, I'm going to try Maybe he won't know my mind He can be sure of my love. It won't work down He's tin cups though Always be listening for something The old man's footsteps Fiddler's voice You'll always want to come back here and Follow him into the big mister if he does I'll build a shelter for him here And see that he's never hungry Come here doos. Come here old fella And to think I accuse that mask man of stealing him Who is the masked man anyhow? I got it from the engine. 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oes the explosion? I would it how would it discriminate here at that point?    They just call it.   There is no reason for oh, you know, this is a perfect time I'm gonna bring in all of the criticisms. This is possibly where the movie is most broken and I know that's a big claim So yeah, I can see why I guess I'll leave it to you to the cast Why does odd demand Lois comes onto a ship? Do you know if I was going to Make an assumption It would be that It's a bargaining tool to control Superman in case things go south I think that's the best argument you couldn't make Yeah, I was gonna say leverage as a point of leverage like either for Superman or the government so Zod's plan is to bring Superman on board and trick him by permanently, right? Not temporarily permanently weakening him by keeping him on a Kryptonian Atmospheric that's the plan I guess he has Lois. There is a backup. That's the best argument you could possibly create But that's already a thing like I'd be like there's many flaws here, but it's like he decided to do that That's that's one. It's like, okay Second that Superman handed her the key the USB thing for spaceships. Why? Did why would he have assumed remember it's a surprise to him that he loses his strength when he goes on there He's like what the fuck's happening to me But why would he give her the key instead of keeping it for himself if he planned to have it be useful if you know Yeah, because he knows that she's just a weak earthling. Yeah, like he's gonna have a way about a chance of actually activating it He knows what it is. She doesn't even know he hands it to her. She's like, I don't forget. This is like a weird thing. Okay Thirdly, she's locked in a cell that has a terminal in it.  Whatever fourth that Like putting him in isn't considered like a rogue USB thing It's like it's not locked off. It's not stopped He just infects the whole ship and takes full control. It's like wow That's a real lucky that works that way and the fact that she wasn't killed when they had Superman under full control Like whatever he then turns the atmospherics back to crypto to earth like it's got to do with a sudden It's just crypt. It's earth atmospherics. It's like, okay and so that frees Clark and he gets her off the ship and back to earth And then he gets Clark out and then Clark is able to complete the story if you will All of those things are what connect the first half of the film to the second half Like none of the second half is possible without all this crazy nonsense happening so You're really interesting to see if he accounts for all of them or if he's just gonna go with Zod brought her on as leverage Like please get to all of them The reason Lois is even there to be invited aboard Zod ship is because as they showed minutes before in the film The military picked her up after she was exposed on national television for knowing Superman's true identity Not giving it up.   Um, I'm I guess I don't think I'm convinced that Zod would find that that important I don't know.   What do we need this woman for? Yeah, what's the point if he if Superman doesn't agree it you'd assume he'd agree to that? Like being treated that way. It's not even you should have treated him like that.  So They don't know exactly what she knows about the aliens or how useful she could be so they're keeping her close by on any alien related matters The same can be said for general Zod. He obviously saw the same broadcast and he wants love for mind-reading Leverage in case they need to use her against super. There you go. There you go Yeah, that's the best you could do Spoken of in the movie or alluded to you could sort of imply it maybe and she is the linchpin For the plot to function in any way shape or form her being which by the way, she has that going for in a lot of Zach's I just think she's just she's super important She does lots of things and when she drowned herself getting the spear. That was funny She she first tosses the spear into the water then she realized oh, I need to get the spirit She almost drowns herself. I'll tell you what that was the water was like.   Yeah, I'm gonna read your mind I love that humans are better at capturing people in the loads of alien civilizations Like just make it so they can't move.  Yeah, I'd cut them up with rope Yep, come on. I didn't want to tell them anything about you, but they did something to me They looked inside my mind Superman should not react that way when God threatens his mother.  Oh My god. All right, so like it's not the the fact that it's property. It's that there are people around Yeah, like I don't I care as much about that giant Tower thing but the petrol station. Holy Train He is bringing people he's bringing Zod and he's bringing Zod into a populated area, right? Exactly where there's gonna be collateral damage.  I'm okay with Superman being very angry when his mum is threatened. I'm fine with that Yeah, that's normal. That's some minuscule amount of character. It's nice to see it.  Oh, of course. I'm just because there's two arguments here I like the first I wouldn't make myself a second. Yeah, he Superman is incredibly reckless throughout this whole movie.  Really? Yeah, we'll give it to you That wasn't a good thing, but that's kind of the point of the scene That's the point that was literally the cure for any problem ever.  Well, it's Kansas If you can't if you can't find an unpopulated area in Kansas, I don't know what to say That's the point Mauler. He's supposed to be acting out of character here.  Oh, no, no, I'm saying that He's acting irrationally because they threatened his mom. That's why he's acting out of character. That's the point That's the point.  I guess that's that's the logic. That's the point That's what they have seen is that's the point of the scene like oh Is the exploration of Superman's humanity and in this Him driving that guy through the silos into the trains and the buildings and the gas stations That's an exploration of his character Get to see what happens when he gives way to that part of himself and loses composure No, he does this anyway. This isn't just yeah, this is always this is about the whole movie This is how Superman operates.   Like if he sees Lois get hurt or his mother get killed or something like you just made a really mad Superman that we use music So inappropriate, but okay Stuff if he wants to be my thoughts after seeing it was he's only human and then I went He's not he's not this this is fascinating. You can't play it both ways.  It's like well, he was angry. Yeah, he found out my parents died Yeah, okay. Oh, okay. Carry reckless. Can people not act emotional?  No now. They're vaporized Yeah Yeah, but that's the thing that's cool about him, I think in some ways no Trailties of a human sort of emotionally, but you don't want to get that No, we're not upset that he's upset about his mom being threatened. This is all Like it's the orphan thing. It's just Iron Man was angry. That's why he killed the orphans That's not you're not addressing the problem whatsoever, but go ahead He's he's a big guy. He's yeah, this isn't Superman doing this in his official superhero capacity It's Clark Kent protecting his mom.  Oh, this is so painful. Oh my god. This is bad.     It's funny.  This scene is an illustration of one of the challenges Superman has to face as part of being godly powerful He has to restrain himself at all times. He has to resist. Oh, yeah, we're strange That's what I think about when someone says tell me about Superman for Man of Steel. I'm like, he's very restrained No, seriously, he's resisting the urge to execute civilians because that's Superman He's like, oh, I wish I could throw Zod into the more populated areas. I guess I'll go for the less I wish I wish we could fight in Metropolis someday. I love that so much Well, where is it on a farm?    That's it. We saw the plan There's no reason for her to be there the plan was set up and executed That's like if Jarelle told me like you with a grenade you have to pull the pin and throw It's like all right. I need to be in the fight I couldn't possibly explain this to like I said, it's the only thing that happens that relates to her at all Is you got to push it in all the way Okay They want the best chance for this mission to succeed So it makes sense that the person with the plan and the most knowledge of the alien technology should be there She doesn't this knowledge of anything. That's it. Yeah, the knowledge amounts to put the thing in all the way That's what I know in case something goes wrong and guess what something does go wrong So it's a good thing. She was there and she says no, I agree. It's super good thing that she was there There's something wrong. It's not supposed to do this.    Yeah, she got She got an uber plot armor.  Okay. Yeah, they could what could she have done So let's play the simulation, right? They go wait is lois back at camp. It's like call it Lois the key thing. It's not it's not doing anything. She goes. Did it go in all the way? No Oh Dude, the only reason she figures is out the only reason she figures is that it out is because it's it doesn't look right No, he like it doesn't quite line up in a certain way. He's the one who he turns it and then I was a him Oh, that's him. Yeah, that's why I'm annoyed. He's the one who does all of the things she gets saved at the credit It's like cool. This guy's giving her credit for it Okay, so I put the flag over the usb hole and it went all magnetized like you said it would but nothing's happening Okay, so it wouldn't be playing out like this because there'd be stuff happening. There would be like they'd be Really like really rushing through these things is like like they'd be kind of you know, hurriedly trying to get this done You could still do a conversation like this in a way that's intense I like the idea. She doesn't know sorry operations The general has to be like right next to the soldiers while everything's happening because it's like well He knows the plan.  Why you just miss the radio like this is the admiral Holdo school of guidance where you don't tell anyone the plan you have to be there personally I still want to but you tell everyone else the plan except for the people like you tell all the privates the plan And they're not allowed to tell anyone else, but you don't tell like the captain's and the The commanders and the tens don't want to push by the way.   Are you sure you plugged in the flash drive?  Wait, there's lightning Jarell didn't say anything about lightning. Where are you seeing lightning? The lightning is coming out of the usb hole I like the idea that whenever these people are like, oh, what are you suggesting? these like this movie do This this dumping in so they they um Again, like I said, there is a way that you could shoot the scene or and edit the scene around to still be intense And yet he's framing like there's this is the only way that they could do the scene Like I said if they contact her she says it goes in all the way if it doesn't I don't fucking know And that's it. Yeah, that's the extent of my knowledge is that she knows the peg It's it's a one two three four five the penta The hedron the the little the thing goes in the slot that's shaped for the thing That's it Yeah, sort. Yeah, I think I don't know if a pentagon is there are they're all equal sides Oh, you mean like the difference between The name of the ship, uh pentagon it is five Oh, so it's any five sizes Any five sides is a any five sided polygon. Yeah is a pentagon The symbol is on superman's chest and cape a pentagon with a yellow background and yeah, so it's a pentagon It's just it's an asymmetrical pentagon versus well not asymmetrical, but you get what I mean hexagon Guys just made for jokes. It's fine. Okay. So that's six sides pentagon versus Uh pentagram. All right, so a pentagram is a five-point star. Yeah, that's different. I I guess because you have um Because like squares are because like second Square is a Why are you looking up? I'm confused because I want to see if there's a if there's a name if there's two different designations for five Sided geometric shapes where the sides are all equal or if they're not all equal um So this says a square is a plain figure with four equal straight sides and four right angles.  Yeah, I want to make sure so a A square it's a quadril a regular quadrilateral That's fine. It's fine. I guess I don't know. I was just I was just it's all good. It's fine. It's all good. Look at shapes. I'm just curious about what shapes are called Yeah, but we're talking about the shape of Superman's logo, right? The Yeah, I was of the key Yeah, I wanted to know if a a pentagram was if they're equal or if it's just five sides Wait, it had to go on Graham is like the pentagon. Yeah. Oh pentagon If it's yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Well, no actually pentagram is any five-sided, you know Okay, right. Yeah. Yeah. So pentagram isn't necessarily upside down. That's why they call the upside down pentagram. All right. Yeah, all right This this was worthwhile. What about the penthouse? It sounds like it should be working. Are you sure it's not powering up? I don't know What does it look like when it's powering up? Yeah, you need to know when to end a joke I was about to say this joke is elaborating on why she she doesn't know things Honestly, I'm waiting for what this ends with and what I'm curious if if he's actually just memeing or if he's actually making a point of like This would be you can't do it this way. This would be bad I think it will end with her with the ship blowing up I want to say even the nostalgia quick No, oh, he just he just yeah, there you go. That's how he ends it to the point the point you want to make I should have come on the plane Yeah, the the whole point of the joke is that it established that she doesn't fucking know anything He knows as much as she does at this point There is no reason for her to be there the extent of her knowledge is the pentagram goes on the pentahole Like if if um if jor-el had told me to tell all of you, right? He's like this pill goes in this box and that goes in a chest and that chest goes in this enormous bag That goes inside the back of a car. Okay, and I go, okay I tell all you guys that and you guys are like you should come on the mission And I'm like why it's like because you have special knowledge. I'm like I've that's all I know That's it.   There's no answer to this. This is gonna be in the movie He's gonna have to pull from their party. Yeah The best he's probably gonna be able to do is say something like earth has a magnetism to its Atmastisms blah blah blah Especially just the earth's special argument for reasons That way he doesn't have to kill all of humanity.  Yeah, why come to earth? The idea that earth is the only one that this could be done with is fucking crazy Why bother does so it seemed like the What do you mean by but because of all that because of all the trouble that it would cause going to earth He literally loses all of krypton all the kryptonian embryos are dead because like Why bother you know that superman is on earth and he might not be happy About what you're gonna do to his planet These humans have nukes by the way too Like I don't think that without superman that we would have had no chance at disrupting zod's plans Yeah Like because we don't see what like the they try missiles, but they get fucked up by the magnetism But we don't know what happened like if it was a nuke That machine gets fucked, right It would have to I can't fathom that that's I mean the fact that at least the radiation would fuck everything up So that the kryptonians would be in trouble.   What else you got?  So he goes out of his way to kill all of them on another planet This is this is the fundamental about zod that just doesn't work It's like kryptonians are way too close to humans to argue to me that blowing up earth isn't in any way worth it It's like look at all of our stuff. Look at all the machines. We already have of industry Look at all these buildings and of this huge culture that you could get in All of these countries in a society full of people who are working together We have a currency like do you not want to know how we did that like you don't have this Exactly. That's what I mean.  Yeah, he has like advanced technology There's hardly any of them Yeah, none of his like supposed supremacy is even Like there's no explanation for it.  He's just that's what I mean soldier, man At the same time as he's like horribly characterized in terms of he just believes himself to be superior to everything It doesn't translate out if I think I'm superior to like a lava flow coming at me. I still get out of its way Respect for the human race and even certain kryptonian bloodlines help me save our race We'll start anew On mars because to do it on earth would be to invite war It would be more difficult and like people would already be there No, but he's not even seven. Why does he not the degenerative bloodlines that led us to this state Zod and the gang are already on the planet, but that's not humans humans didn't lead you to that state Humans did the opposite. They have a flourishing society. We can help you zod God damn it. You're more on chill on earth. We have beer or two. Yeah Chill Planet earth. He's just with the genesis chamber and world engine. They can easily take over earth with no They can't they can't easily do it.  Yeah, one of them is the plane that hits it and makes the black hole And the other one is superman who punches it Like lips should be no reason to leave in zod's mind You know superman's there. That's why you're showing up. That's it. He didn't even try the defense you came up with He doesn't even need to go to earth.  I wouldn't have gone to another planet if I just hate other people You can go wherever you want Also, by the way, I didn't even think of this one Is this not true? I just superman go to the indian ocean instead of saving. Yeah, he should have done that Yeah, like the wormhole and metropolis. I think we I'm pretty sure we did talk about this. Well, so just to clarify right like The metropolis one is going to get a singularity detonated Compared to the Indian ocean which superman will punch Like I feel like if we're gonna have him punch one of them and the other one will be a black hole Let's let's put the black hole not in metropolis. That's yeah, that seems like a good idea And it shows how just like Like just crazy evil the kryptonians are that they chose metropolis as just the centerpiece for where they're gonna do this They're like, yeah, we're just evil Is all those buildings they're like built for people our size and they house things we could use them He's like, no Like you would put him you'd put him far away from civilization.    It's like what about just any other military What yeah, there's not only there's not only the american military Yeah, in the indian ocean You remember how long yeah superman to even destroy the the indian ocean one. It took a while. Yeah I don't believe that they couldn't have gotten there. Um, like I said, he could destroy both of them That machine over the indian ocean the gravity field will continue to expand The military can handle it. No stop the one in metropolis Yeah, we shouldn't even be talking about this superman. You can punch them to death. Yeah, the other ones doesn't matter It doesn't matter about the second one. Yeah, you need two of them. That's actually a really good point. Yeah Yeah, I doubt I doubt the world engine functions if you've broken it That seems to be categorical my definition.  So one is gone. It's over. It's like gg. You need a hope sod So, yeah, why did they should have both gone to the same one just to make sure How about crazy idea the you're just standing amongst them when they're making this plan He's like i'm going to go to the indian ocean you guys go to metropolis. It's like how about you do both You yeah, how about let's both go to metropolis together just to make sure And then I don't know we'll take care of the other one if we even need to if it just becomes dormant Then that's technology we can use and then general man. It's like no, we'll detonate the black hole.    That's not an explanation. I get mad Yeah, okay, I don't care That we have in the movie We decided that actually zack decided that that would be a really good defense tool not just a display mechanism And uh, it took a long time of looking at the world engine and realizing boobing cool If superman tried to laser it he never does Yeah, he never does Why didn't they use it in the war On krypton they never use it It's a part of the world engine. So Like they found the world engine after the war so Of all the things that they could have used to defend their world engine. Why dock octentacles? I don't I don't know.  But yeah, it'll grab him and he's like all droids and then it like puts it all the smog from um, I guess the The terraforming he ends up in it and he like coughs and he almost seems to die until it drops him into the Earth atmospherisms and then he reignites and does his second wind.  So it could have killed him Damn I knew they got it Here we go. There's a visual. It's one five two three four One five two three four. Okay. He's in like krypton Tisms while being grabbed by the snake which can grab him without him being weakened anyway So, yeah, if it just kept him there, he'd be fucked instead.   A tentacle blade I know the death knife.  Oh, so that's amazing. If wonder woman hadn't cut off his arm, Superman would have lived possibly Yeah, yeah, that's weird Fucking wonder woman there and zack described all the sort of defensive arm motion It could do and that became a really cool superman robot fight that we could get Oh, yeah, it's really a really cool superman robot fight. How old is the person sam who said that?    She has two terrible deaths epic. Also.  He has trouble killing all the babies.  Why does he keep rolling out the worst defenses of this?  Yeah, so I mean like oh, you can't read you have two terrible dads Well, I mean, I think that The kryptonian babies is just You know like a follow-up of what his dad told him all those years ago about maybe you should let the kids on the bus die It was the equivalent Also, this is the quote That his mother dad couldn't come with him because they're failures doomed to failure So they didn't actually explode on krypton because of the Like could born to be soldier born to be scientist thing exploded because they harvested their planet's core for no They just did that. That's that's that's the part that'll get you Exploding planet bit and also if you would have taken all these genetically engineered people I don't know why you couldn't like change them genetically here But assuming you couldn't if you plopped them down On a totally new planet in an environment that there is no possible way you could have programmed them for They would have just like Done whatever and then at that point if they are bad Like they don't even get a chance.  They don't even have a chance to Do stuff also can they fuck? In which case only the first generation will be the automatons So, I guess you could do things the old-fashioned way. I mean jor-el did Like I don't see why we can't have more people.  He did boy child Child baby And the genetically controlled babies that would be grown in the genesis chamber are programmed to revive that doom society Congratulations. You just advocated for killing babies Yay Well, no, they wouldn't revive the doom. We said how where are you getting this from? They're they're destined to revive the doom society.  I know what he's I know the argument It makes complete sense. Okay, so They'll grow up and then they will recommend that the current earth government harvest their own core for energy and then explode the earth And and humans will do it Because they've just built that way Because they're just built to self-destruct for whatever reason that that's definitely how it is. Yeah This way you have to be more specific than they're just doomed Pathetic argument and to be honest with you like this I didn't even cash this until I think it was the second time I watched Man of Steel in terms of like, oh my god.    They're not like crazy I say this knowing that people talk about zod as though That's what happens when you let these babies grow up. But like what's Jor-El one of these people? He was normal Yeah All of them were pretty normal zod was just a crazy one I mean they they they had a civilization that was really really good until the home planet exploded Like just just carry on just don't do that last bit.  That seems like a bit of an oversight. I would have patched that one out Also, why did Jor-El give him the codex that's designed to allow you to birth these things if he didn't want him to do anything with the codex Was this all in secret? I think This is part of the whole problem with um It doesn't make any sense like Jor-El clearly wanted him to restart the civilization That's the that's what he advocates for with the council. He's like We're not going to escape krypton, but perhaps others can and it's the codex plus clock plus the little baby pods You can start anew on a new planet.  That's clearly not what he wanted. I don't know how he read this in the film Grown in the gender are programmed to revive that doomed society. No, we're both ghosts. No, they're doomed because the planet exploded But they don't have a planet to like explode They're like, well, what about earth was like, obviously they're not gonna explode the planet if they know that what they do explodes the planet I remember Jor-El was anti-planet explode And he's one of the genetic failures.  I guess Well, it's not even it's not the same situation. Not even close. I'm sorry Have to be made up of a citizenry split into different classes produce also justice doesn't mean you kill babies This is so bad Guardians and philosopher kings all working in their pre-assigned roles for the greater good of the society This is a genesis chamber All kryptonians were conceived in chambers. You've made the argument already I don't know why he's like supporting the idea that they're all genetic failures They'll only lead to planets exploding. It's like you can't prove that you're just throwing in scenes in hopes that will think that it's proven Just this every child was designed to fulfill a predetermined role now such as blowing up planets That was one of the core designs But if you totally change the environment that kids grow up in that they could have never Possibly seen coming then their outcome is going to be totally different Yeah, because now we're going to get to some really interesting stuff with like it's a soldier bread genetic kryptonian They just have a desire to fight. Is that the core? Because of course if they grew up in like an earth type place They might have a desire to join the military or something and what does that tie to exactly? Is it just they just want to fight a war? Is that what it is? Or do they just want to protect that which they have been Encoded to believe is important being home, you know, like a sense of home In which case if that place is in peace times, what do they do? These are all really interesting things by the way in the film is now going to cover anything like it Society is a worker a warrior a leader so The krypton depicted a man of steel Okay, again, it doesn't doesn't help you know it isn't you can't just say that Oh, if you actually do Plato's Republic your planet will explode It's not it's terrible Society Plato created in republic It's the antithesis of the free choice capitalist society Superman stands for and Clark knows it That doesn't mean that doesn't mean you can massacre them Yeah, this doesn't follow you think it does for some Imagine like when he wrote this he was like, I'm gonna have to argue that He blew up the babies for good reason Oof, it's gonna be a tough one That is not him saying kill the babies That is him saying he made mistakes which they did Also a hundred thousand years. They made it that long without blowing up their own planet. Not bad.  They had no part in playing. Why would you defend you actually said it? Wow Krypton did have its chance it failed and it would fail again No, it wouldn't how because the situation is entirely different on every level They wouldn't have failed if their planet hadn't exploded because they didn't harvest the stupid core if they hadn't done that They'd be okay. Also.  So like they're gonna grow up, but they were pre-programmed to like be things But that's a huge ambiguous kind of we don't know what that even really means Do they want to be those things? Are they really good at being those things? What if you what if in this society we tell them? Oh, you can actually be whatever you want to be Can they then choose to do something else?  Again, I ask you are they gonna be affected? Are they gonna get superpowers? Can I ask why did jor-el attach the kryptonian codex? That's uh to to the call l why why why do you do that? to The goal is to restart krypton save krypton Do you start krypton yet? So like so he's not want him to laser the babies is my point.   No, no, you made that up. Yeah, that's not even true Yeah, then why would they listen to zod? You could listen to this guy. Also zod's dead. Yeah, I was about to say the jor-el listened to zod. No No Jor-el was zod went against his ruling people. Exactly So this was he genetically designed to rebel people invent ship for this movie that not only is that invalid It never happened.  Why would you genetically have people? Why would those bloodlines exist in the first place if they were genetically modified to get rid of those bloodlines?  He's like the humans.   He's insane Yeah, it's crazy. I want to live here. Like there's people here and I could talk with them and I can go to baseball games And I can look at porn and stuff and it's great And yeah, this guy wants to destroy all of it for some reason.  It's like oh god It happened Every action I take no matter how violent No, I'm cool. It's terrible. This writing is pain in my face. This is the speech of I am incredibly bad You have to kill me no matter how evil I am. I have a reason Even if you can't understand it just trust me Sources Very good of my people.  It doesn't matter whether or not their fetuses begin the gestation process Which it doesn't superman has all the dna in his cells. So those egg sacks are empty. Yep. He could he could bear What do you think he could do? Imagine didn't he could he could bring back a whole race that's extinct of yeah And think that's what Zod was there to do think of what they could do for the human race by the way Like yeah, absolutely strong people And if they couldn't you know mingle with humans then Like like breed with humans then there would be a limited number of them and once they die they die and that's it unless they could breed too Unless they can which I assume they can Yeah They implied to some kind of like is there a difficulty or is it illegal? I don't know.   It's like no no a couple minutes for you buddy.  He gets control of his x-ray vision at about 30 seconds with the help of his mom And his super strength and invulnerability are kind of baked in so it doesn't really need to try with those His heat vision just can't have to learn to control that things get intense And he learns to fly after jumping real high a few times and just believing in himself I guess it eventually took years to master all the power No, so wait that takes way longer than zod zod is instantly like an expert like instantly It takes him a moment crashes into a mountain to fly at like age 30 Yeah, you understand it's a long time It's a like how he just says like oh the heat vision just kind of happens in intense things but it's You can't assume that he runs super quickly when he wants to get his dad out of a tornado Well, it's whatever's convenient, right? Yeah Yeah, the the flight one is the surprising one to me, but also we're ignoring his adjustment happens so fucking quickly As far as we see and also if he's actually arguing to us right now that clock managed to go through this pretty easily Actually, that goes against what zod says in the movie So pick one because you go losing the way either way You've got a big issue in the movie But it was really just individual two minute sessions spread out over the course of his life Zod had the advantage of being genetically modified and military trained to master his That doesn't mean anything about learning how to fly.  Jesus Christ It also explains why he loses to the scientist jurell in a fight. It's like wait what? Supposedly you're good at tactics and shooting guns.  What do you mean, right? He's a soldier He gives yeah, I give anyone laser vision if you give anyone flight a super strength They can just you know, yeah, it's just like they've had in their whole lives Watching Superman do it all it's not I You're like, but what are you doing? Like how do you fly faster?  Yeah, you like like do you have to you know like pooping you do that Yeah, do you have to twist your toes a certain way or just strain your I don't know Think about flying real hot remember that he said in the video you have to believe in yourself A soldier believes in himself That's why yeah, it all makes sense really Superman never saves anyone Oh, I'm not he saves a couple people. Yeah. I'm always happy to concede and that dude I'm happy to concede. He saves earth. I don't even mind conceding that my problem is that he does it in Incredibly harmless and incompetent way. Yeah No sense of remorse.  He also didn't say he saves a dozen people Never mind the hundreds of thousands in the troplas.   And let's let's know list all the people who died thanks to Superman's incompetence.   How is he gonna look? It's harder, right? They go into space one thing. I'll say space and they come back down to metropolis One thing I was there. I like the format of this video. It's very fun because of how bad it's done But also the way that it's presented. It's like we get our breather here to be like Let's talk about this criticism. Unless what is he gonna do to say about it? I was like, oh god.  Why are they here in smallville in the first place? Yeah He's led them here. Did they get here?  And run away. It would have been better to fight him at Martha's house Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 100% I mean, hey, don't even make the argument that he's trying to get us all to leave from bother He leaves two of the other soldiers with it Martha's house already has a truck in it.  Do you remember when, uh, Zod throws the tanker at him? And he dodges it instead of stopping it and it blows up a building Sure, that one was in that building I can see him being like, no, he tried.  And it explodes Doesn't Superman throw, uh, doomsday at BVS?  This is this is after they've already attempted to nuke doomsday And it hasn't killed him.  He has a Randomly just anywhere randomly in the chances are they'll land Oh my goodness This is Kansas. Just chuck him anywhere. They'll find him in the middle of a field I just like this someone goes. He's so mad up above. He's like, oh, it's like space Try space.  Okay. Jaime does succeed in flying Yeah, this scene like I'm pretty sure I mentioned in the recording But how retarded are these soldiers to be standing on two sides of the same street firing at each other's position? Yeah I just want to highlight by the way if superman gets they weren't ready to be soldiers.  He's just dead.    You've got a good old assume that you got a cranium That's fully functional side where he's gonna put the guy. So you see all that great over there. Can you see? Yeah, well first of all above right lots of stuff up there Great, there's a little place called space as well. Fantastic. We've been over that then everywhere on the horizon That isn't something that explodes near civilians. How about that?  All right supersonic fly him out into space. It's not going to be that long Yeah, and then you only have to do that once per kryptonian. He's gone forever. What you do there's over the fight is over quick And can go yeah, he could just fly up really high How do the kryptonians even survive his punches?  I don't get why they have Yeah, that's what I'm saying.  Why not try that? He's too strong. Yeah, he's a soldier. I'm actually I am now actually arguing Why is your laser eyes? Why doesn't he just tear him apart?   I think nearly Yeah, and then before superman can just kill her.  So good job superman Zod's going to get everyone in this scene Not just superman and he has to stick around to make sure they don't hurt anybody in the case of the metropolis Zod has two goals get revenge on cal by beating him up Get get revenge on beating him up Cal by beating him up on It's like that's like an actual 10 year old genuinely speaking to me I'm actually going to make like what I think is the This is this is contingent on Zod being this character Right like this stupid thing that people call him that He you know like he like wants to die in this scene And I think that that's actually possibly what's the tax night I was going for because um I was thinking about the whole thing left to live for yeah Like, you know, he could have lasered those people He was just waiting for Clark to break his neck He even says like stop and then he goes never He's waiting for him to kill Which is fine like like we we've talked extensively about how poorly characterized Zod is the idea that he's doing this to get revenge on Okay, as far as I can tell he's telling him a bonus.   Yeah.  He's not gonna know He could kill superman and just like live there or something That doesn't make any sense He's arguing that this they're in this area because Zod wants to get revenge on Clark and start killing humans Because he doesn't really do much of that in the fight. Honestly.  Yeah, Superman has to get them out of the way flying around That's clearly not Zod's goal here. It's clearly not his goal.  Could you imagine like saying we need to keep the the enemy combatants in this city with the civilians So that we can protect the civilians like what? How about you move? Are you told me that superman is basically Stalin? Yeah, keep the civilians in the city. I don't know God I have to take the battle away from the city.  That's not it. Oh my god There's no point in trying it because Zod will come back The whole criticism is why doesn't he try try There's no the attempt isn't made What is wrong with you? Why would you make these defenses? I think my favorite part about this fight is that superman leads the fight to places in the city that were totally safe Where people could assume that they were okay only to have these two dickheads crashing into the buildings they hide again Yeah, why don't you stay at ground zero there where there's nobody left alive? Yeah, go for the graveyard The graveyard is safe Lois is at ground zero, okay? They can't have the fight at ground zero. Lois is there. What do you mean? Sure, she has white towel with her. She'll be fine I just love the fact that This logic leads us to superheroes shouldn't even bother to save people because the villains are going to try to kill them anyways Amazing As he does Man takes the fight into the sky only to have it brought right back down into the city by Zod The final sequence also, I guess it's just give up I guess yeah, no that he's literally said zod will want to kill the people so trying to get him out there will only bring him back That's the argument. Good job Into the city by zod so then the final fight him outside of the city as much as possible then Yeah, the goal should be and if zod comes back away from the city Like but zod wants to get into the city like precisely why i'm trying to get him out of the city Very simple of the film is the most criticized with people blaming superman for allowing metropolis to be destroyed Yes, well, yeah, this is tying into the thing we were just talking about huge.  Absolutely. Yeah, like this level of negligence is Is intense the obvious negligence is when he destroys zod ship that crashes through like a good six or seven Skyscrapers when he didn't even try to say zod land it peacefully and we could talk I mean, I mean you could just go through the list. So right at the beginning of the battle He does that so that's a good probably a few thousand people dead just by superman's hand alone All of the shock waves from these crazy lights Like that's a lot of death that's probably on superman's hands not stopping that tanker that blows up I'm sure there are a few people hiding in that uh parking area that got Incinerated and then all the times that superman punches zod into these buildings Yeah, you could have punched them into like the air or just anywhere else Remember superman who um, so zod managed to in all of space. I guess just find Space is quite empty. It's pretty lucky that he'd land on a uh on a satellite But then he brings that satellite down on superman. It's like so the debris is superman's fault, but superman I'm pretty sure superman like pins zod down while he flies him back into earth.  Okay now. I can just move you away and away and away Like this is we just fight here in space Take him to the moon Yeah, just keep going Yeah, you just fly back whenever you want. It's fine. Space doesn't mean anything to you They come right back down so close to lois that she can get there in about 30 seconds. Yeah Okay toss zod into the sun Like you surely you must have been trying to land back in metropolis After you were in space Yeah people Stupid buzzfeed infographic estimating that's that's not right. That sounds about right.  Absolutely Why did he describe this as stupid? Why? I'm sorry. I don't say this Uh every day. I actually have never said this before but the opportunity has arisen. Good job buzzfeed. Yeah Let me say something I've never said before leave buzzfeed alone. Leave buzzfeed alone.  Well, I mean there was also a plane went into the pentagon, I think and then there was Yeah, and of course like there was debris and stuff that I guess it's the whole idea that if 9 11 killed 3000 people and that was two skyscrapers imagine how much worse it would be When it's like 50 and there's no time to get out Yeah, it happens instantly not to mention all the people on the ground And all the other stuff the last effects with like the debris the glass the the smoke only people's lungs Yep And remember the reason why so many people died in north tower was because they couldn't get out They were trapped. So imagine how many people were just instantly killed when that ship made the buildings all fall over They don't even have a chance to escape. By the way, Bruce Wayne's totally getting lung cancer in the ceo He had a bat. He has bat lungs Agent is conservative. Maybe that might even be conservative considering how much damage is done But I'm really curious.  I'm Super curious. I can't wait.    Yep. This is on him as well. I'm sorry Again, watch civil war It's really good Well, it's on the literal other opposite side of the planet by his choice I remember that they destroyed the thing that the machine stops working You know the machine a lot by choosing to not stop the one in metropolis.  Well, yeah, like let's just go theoretically for the sake of like pretend 100% that it's exactly because that's how it works Right. It's it's on the two points of it goes right through So you got um the metropolis people with with the the the black hole setup Let's just be generous to this guy and say that 20 miles out or something I don't know exactly how close they are, but it's probably something like that.  How are you gonna do that?  Can you go punch the metropolis one first?  Yeah, we can fly there and be there in no time So you can definitely get there quick I love that this guy has opted to choose like well, superman chose to go to a different one. So it's not his fault Wow He chose to not save those people.  So hey Have you guys ever heard of the phrase with great power comes great responsibility? So that applies to spider-man superman has even greater power And he is using it often That means we need to make great excuses for him Great power comes great excuses Great destruction comes the second with great misuse of great power comes great excuses The second those those will jet engines started to get into position Should have been like oh shit like we're in trouble and the second he escapes the um the prison cell Should have been zoom explode zoom explode done Um, remember there was no giant tentacle that came out of the metropolis one Yeah Convenient. Hmm. That was the weird pulsey gravity one If it had it might have been able to stop their ship by the way Because if the maximum length tentacle it just pushes their ship down You know, they can't connect the drives.  It's all the battle this the third act Yeah, yeah Here's all the battle just because one side doesn't start to fight back yet Doesn't mean that the first shots aren't part of the battle It's totally all of it is the it wasn't long before and all of it is on fucking superman because he's been Yeah, because he decides to go to the indian ocean one instead of the one in the insanely densely populated city I've never felt so happy to see buzzfeed annoy someone I'm just glad it's not me for once. Yeah, I don't right I know some people That's when we got there was some instruction but our point was like but there would be yeah With like it's we don't we weren't trying to tell a story that it's not in a magical world We're like all these buildings collapse and like somebody wouldn't be hurt It's like we were trying to say well, what if this really happened, but you made it his faults You know, you also fault you dipshit. He also didn't account for this until bvs.  Yeah in the opening of bvs is like. Oh guys. No. No. No. No. No. We know we know Like look at the seed. Look at how sad everyone is. Look batman's angry about it. See we know they're kissing.  That's not ever addressed They almost Play with it when they have the lady say how do you choose which lives you save and which lives you don't Almost because the context of her saying that is that the evil terrorist people that he stops They blew up some other village and they say that superman didn't save them right which was a lie And then she says that she's gonna tell the full truth later if you remember Well, I thought that they they framed him for killing that village. That's what I just said.  Then they make batman the villain Yeah Because it's like you're trying to follow things through to it sort of logical like it doesn't happen there is Don't even say that word So, yeah to clarify the point goya is making there is that when it comes to like major battles with big figures Like yeah, people are gonna get hurt. It's like so our question wasn't Why are people getting hurt in this cataclysmic battle is why is super about making the battle happen? There was densely populated area within like possibility Why it's really weird people get hit that's why people get hit As we just taking the fight away from metropolis was not an option. It clearly was though. It literally do they go to space They can go to space, but they can't go Anywhere else Drugs Let's look at how superman handled it from that point and figure out exactly how much he is responsible for destroying almost all of it Basically all of it.  Yeah That's what we call there an opportunity cost incidence of damage caused by superman when he destroys the scout ship He accidentally takes out three buildings that oh my god.  Are we about to introduce the concept of manslaughter to this person? I don't know what it is. You didn't mean to kill him so that you're not dead Superman's the one that caused the ship to crash You know what would have been really funny is if zod said please clark stop.  So the roles instantly reverse Oh, yeah, that would be a really great like comedic drop is it's he lazes the ship all the little kryptonian babies have burned alive They crashed through all these buildings all these people screaming it lands.  It's just this row of a million towers.  Oh No, they're not. No, they're not No, we know this isn't true. We know this isn't true because why teller had people in it And that was near ground zero. That is not true, buddy. He's actually saying that it's okay.  It's still standing. Let's be knock it down.  Absolutely there's so much wrong With this You know, I'm actually kind of sad this wasn't live at this point Funny to see chat react. Well, you know what we'll premiere it.  Oh, I I want to premiere it now. Just Yeah This is the moment that moller decided to premiere this e-fap Well, we I premiered the the tazm 2 one. I can't remember how many e-faps have been premiered, but yeah, we'll premiere this one Why not? Okay, so it's safe to Know's then we've got Three incidents of damage. He just has three. I want to really highlight the rhetoric here calling I am building getting leveled an incident of damage.    It's so horrible Do you think that's gonna be worse than suicide squad though?  He's like there was a building behind you my dad You can see him turning around and looking at it like whoops. That was probably a mistake, but it's just a parking garage Oh How do you think the cars get into the parking garage? There's little humans inside Think of all the people who wanted to use their cars to flee the city You see that that that little yellow car that's plummeting to the ground We don't know there's a person in there There's that means that there were other cars in there There could be just a couple of people in there just one person being in there That's one person that superman just let die It's an insane Level of damage that he's just like well, I'm sure Pretty fire He just turns around to look at it What brings a person to this? Like Then the front of this building is both of them as well as their Stop skipping over that. There's people in that building. You know like oh, yeah, and then this building Yeah, I don't know if the all the people on the ground. It's an incident of damage.  What incident of death Has this this this and all of this but superman did that Zod superman could have like flown away and zod because zod is constantly pursuing superman So if superman just flew really really high up or just away from the city But I would have followed him or could at least go back to the things they already fucked up Just fight there Yeah, go back to the graveyard kill the funny thing is that in avengers age of ultron the really bad one When they're fighting in uh in the city against hulk like Iron man makes a very concerted effort to both get hulk out of the city and save people who are in imminent danger And even that was a massive incident like that was a huge problem for them. It had to go into hiding The um, he's like check the building are the people in it how much could I could I buy it right now? And of course the um the part of the with the elevator. Iron man is actively saving civilians while battling hulk. It's It's really good. Yeah, and and this just god superman is way more powerful than iron man And then superman breaks a window and a balcony If you think a couple buildings a parking garage, why would you assume those buildings are empty?  Dude, dude, he's he's about to say if you if you think these things are I was like, don't finish that sentence, buddy Just even if we just go by this holy shit there And this is being incredibly generous to superman in terms of this is being shocking and generous when all of this is Yeah, we're not counting everything else that is his fault it's Yeah, because obviously we nine incidents what he's done is not only conservative like I blame superman for a lot more than what he's shown um But like the incidents themselves are incredibly huge. He's just like yeah well Amazing how far they'll go because obviously by the way like I don't know if you guys have checked out the comment section in this video that heavy No, I haven't I don't want to yes. It's what it's depressing. I bet Yeah, if you think this movie is good, you you just you failed I thought this movie was brilliant start of something amazing Oh, no, no, no Instruction site a line of windows and a balcony is some unforgivable amount of destruction on superman's part That's because you just decided to arbitrarily not count all of the skyscrapers that fell down How about you look at this wasteland? Okay, you are Dereously understating the amount of damage when you have the wasteland right here this post apocalyptic Literally post apocalyptic wasteland on screen. I'm gonna I'm gonna pretend for a second to be a diehard snider rider I'd say no this video is not even that good. He's over exaggerating the damage really superman kind of well He just he destroyed a bit of concrete. Yeah, okay a bit of glass Yeah, okay. That's what that's what I'm gonna say like like he's over exaggerating Well, that's what and then some other guys like no, you're over exaggerating. He destroyed a bit of stuff Oh, no, oh no a bit of stuff. Why are you over exaggerating it so much?  You're desperate and it's showing property damage who man does another He's destroyed stuff. Oh my god So it's bad when it happens and other things too, it doesn't matter. It's not a plus Oh, so that seemed oh Why is he fighting shazam here? Yeah Yeah, the lights are even still on Yeah I will say perhaps there is context that we don't know for this. Who knows dude It is it is really impressive electricity there in that building that's like It's staying powered on So basically superman gets his cape handed to him for 20 minutes while zod blows up half of what's left of the city And superman is dealing with it the best he can yet why is why do you why do you say what's left of the city? What why is it? Why would you have possibly said the words what's left of the city? Because superman went to the indian ocean yeah, and And but in no way is he responsible for the destruction of him. Yes. He is He's absolutely responsible with great power comes great responsibility.   I am I don't have any experience in this field and yet I have somehow arrived at the conclusion that maybe We should try and get zot away from the city.  He's inexperienced like exactly. Yeah, it's really hard I I haven't shot a gun before Again to go back to the orphan example.  It's like you're not accounting for the thing. You're saying other things. It's not he's an adult So annoying and since this was a superman who had only been superman for like a week He wasn't superman as we think of that's not addressing the problem But you don't have to have training for this When superman chooses to throw someone in one place out of several and it's the place that's populated That is a problem.  That's not an excuse for any of this He'd never fought and also don't even start with me zod flew five seconds before the battle happened Yeah, look at how good he was Don't even start anyone that had superpowers before and so he's a going up against a guy who not only is superpowered But who has been training sin's birth to use those superpowers.  He's not a character. He's a joke Yeah, and this leads us to the most controversial scene in comic book movie history If if he's about to throw up the criticism superman shouldn't kill this is going to be funny for us because we'll just watch Yeah, because he's clearly he's clearly all right with it. He's killed so many people Yeah, definitely not all that bothered In fact, he showed the most great it is. Yeah, he showed the most grief over zod. He didn't care about all the huge Superman shouldn't kill zod Superman does not kill people It's been covered over and over on the internet that superman has killed people in the past But for some reason people act like it's no big deal for superman to kill zod in this film I'm fine with him What are you talking about your sentence is fucked. What do you mean? I think it is a big deal. Oh, right. Yeah. Sorry. I was already jumping ahead to I don't think it's a big deal that he kills zod in this scene.   Whatever. I'm pretty numb to him killing people It's fine the other surviving member of his race the welling up.  Shut up When the scream of emotion was just haunting and the entire crew was kind of in awe and frozen and we're shooting this I don't really get it Clock the one person out of the billion you've killed in this film that was the one that really needed it Here's the sad thing is I actually think that's well performed, but the context for it is garbage I have no problem with henry at all in I can't appreciate henry cavill's performance in the scene.  That's a powerful moment. Yeah, but I can't that that's why writing is important This kind of thing it's it's the skeleton of the story This or your movie Superman, he's not It is deeply difficult Decision for him to make, you know, he's not a thing that he takes lightly and you can see it affects him Like sure, yeah, whatever Yeah, they'll turn zod into a zombie I thought he'd spend longer on that point, but okay Why doesn't superman cover zod because it'll burn his hand? I guess because it'll hurt him. Yeah And cover zod's eyes with his hand Heat vision hurts even kryptonians So why is he not using it?  It's great And besides that's not the point of the scene which is to have that's not an argument That's not your You are just Not the point of the scene Superman kills odd Why doesn't superman just fly up? Here we go Well, I thought we did this already like why didn't you take him to space and then his criticism was because he'll just come back To what end he's been doing that the whole time what end get him away from people like Why would you ask that question?   He had some success They got into space at one point And then they miraculously somehow landed back exactly on metropolis So just do that again Certainly keep trying instead of Punching him through places. Why don't you even come back down? Time to zero success if superman keeps zod from killing these people He'll have to keep him from killing the next group of people and the next group And the next because as zod said to take him to space.   That's a problem. We've moved on from that one though Oh, yeah, I know. I know if this is yeah And besides that's not the point of the scene. There's no stop saying that Other way to stop zod and the film was written that way on purpose stop Appealing to That's not how would anything works. We did it on purpose What was the point of you answering any of the criticisms in this video if you could have just said? Well, it was written that way. I did it on purpose.  Thank you it's like It's like you're going why does the Hall of maneuver work? Well, it just does. Okay, it's written that way This is that's the point of the scene. Also. Wow. We're moving on In that instance is like if you the way I work the way Chris works is you do what's right for the story That exists entirely. No, that's not how you work That's how you think you work That's how you justify your work You and I have very different definitions of what's right for the story, buddy. Oh, yeah From what fans should or shouldn't think of that character you have to do what's right for the story Oh god, we've we're where else have we heard this before Gotta do what's right for the story.  I mean whenever you come to really shitty content the the authors will often say like it was right It was the right thing to do. You're like, okay The story needed it We do something because well, that's the way the fans would or wouldn't like it. We have to follow Truth of the story. Yeah, no, you're the writer. Why are you appealing to a story that you have total control over? Well, that's bass ackwards the interesting thing I find is that um A lot of what I would appeal to in some stories are that like this is what so, you know, like huck's blowing up the base That's what should have happened. Sorry the ship.  It's good. That's gonna. Yeah, the rat is gone. I'm sorry That is what has to happen Up to the point where they're deciding a target, right? Like if it's only for example, right? So you're like, well, I'm the writer I can make anything happen I was like, oh well unless you introduce some new variable that changes anything here like huck you'd have to you'd have to Go back. Yeah, because you're the one who put the rat in that situation And that's what I was saying in terms of like to a degree sometimes stories do essentially just like I mean you're beholding. You're beholding to something that you created. Yeah. No. Yeah, ultimately in that scenario It's still you that made all these things especially because man of steel is the first one in the dcu.  Yeah, and awesome from a thematic standpoint We were it was a story about a guy who's the lack I feel sorry for themes They get used to make horrible things happen all the time Themes is like, uh, I didn't ask for any of this. He was asked to apologize. He has to keep coming out to it's like I'm so sorry about this They did it.  It's like don't even go there They're the only chance of babies ever even happening for kryptonians.  What's the right way to tell that story? I think the right way to tell that story is if you take this powered alien Who says you can have your race back, but you have to kill your adopted race the moral Why would the alien say that?  It's just a thing that happened You know like i'm gonna terraform earth.  Why?  It's like that doesn't mean you have to kill them Well So it's just like I don't know what to say to you anymore. I don't have any arguments because I don't have a character I don't know what else he would say He's like he's tying up his hands and saying my hands are tied.   I think that's the right way to tell that story But it's a superman movie. You can't take superman out of it Writing at this wave violates superman's character because he has a code that doesn't allow him to kill What is with that? The interesting drawing. Yeah, I don't know what this is This is the writing of this movie personified into a superman image That was a chonkler like he's He's I think the comfy arms. His wrists are as thick as his biceps No, is what you're about to say wasn't it? Well, we corresponded a quote from director Zach Snyder David and I had long talks about it and Chris and I talked long about it And I was like I really feel like we should kill Zod and the watch This will surprise me Zach.  You killed superhero.  It's all miserable He's they're at the scene. They're filming the scene with with Zod. They're deciding that and it's like Zach's like What are you killing? What are you?  He's like, why are you the Kryptonian babies? All the people he's like driven into buildings When he when he failed to stop the world engine by going with the other one Like he killed a lot of people indirectly with that. So like, yeah, he's killed tons I don't see why this would be an issue. Zach's like, oh Okay, then I guess the answer is yes I go if it's truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained.  He does more Propertism damage Yeah That could easily kill people.  You don't have to it's the default.  What do you mean? Why? Why was this when you had to learn Man of steel heavily in the philosophy of a superhero and even in the comics There's no philosophical reasoning behind the no killing That does not really deal in the philosophy at all Why do we need him to explain like base fundamental like Ethics in terms of why you don't want someone to die. The default is that you don't want to kill other people Why would you need that if you do that's the thing that makes us go? What the fuck's wrong with this person?  That's why someone like punisher is an anomaly. It's like, whoa, he kills them It's like yeah, he does and he does it for this reason and it's always explained because that is outside of the door Um, I mean, I guess not so much now right because like in the mcu Very few of those characters have a problem with kill, but it's not that they want to I think that's the important part right The context for someone like punisher though is that he would rather them die than be put in chains Yeah, right. That's kind of the point.  Oh, like you don't We're trying to figure out why he doesn't like by default kill people when that's just people In most situations where lesser beings would be forced to and for that reason he holds himself to a quote higher standard But this reasoning doesn't include a value judgment That reasoning is based on the presupposition that killing is wrong no matter what the situation Why is taking a life a lower standard than not taking one? Why does superman value the lives of heroes and mass murderers equally? We're not oh, okay Now we're going to a different place. Yeah I'm okay with the idea that he wants people to live more than he wants them to die However, if we were in a situation where you had to choose between like Zod and that family I'd be like superman.  Yeah Um, you ain't got to like it, but yeah, and then if you would kind of a easy one If you just let zod go because he doesn't want to get involved and then zod blasts the family to death. I feel like We're just asking what is the philosophical basis for superman's no killing code We've heard it said that killing supposedly lowers a hero to the criminal's level But that's not sufficient reasoning because that's equating the act What does he have to do with man of steels like because this is I guess he's really going hard on this Some people don't like the idea that superman could kill Which is I don't know It's not something I hear often. Maybe a lot of people say it Well, like I guess what I'm because he's trying to attack the core fundamental like of of Superman not killing in general now This is a specific superman in the movie What I mean is like he went from defending the movie to attacking superman in the comics that I was like, all right I guess if you want to go to this, I mean, I'm not too invested at that.  Again. I'm cool with him killing zod. I don't yeah Yeah, I yeah, I shocked he didn't do it earlier Many people including batman's reason that it wouldn't stop with just one villain If you're going to kill one criminal, why not just kill every criminal? really Why because criminals do different degrees of different things in different situations the idea that we kill what we kill of all I mean Yeah, holy shit calm down. So looks like this comic seems to be depicting superman in a villainous light Yeah, this is just this I think Yeah, I think this isn't just argument Context doesn't exist in the superhero world and everything is absolute The answer is talking to I don't know threatening innocent lives that are as strong or stronger than he is if there's no alternative Thursday or mr. Rumpel still skin or whoever else and no He shouldn't have to expose himself in shame to gold kryptonite afterwards because killing means he doesn't deserve his powers I don't I don't whatever Killing destroys superman's character if he uses his powers to kill he doesn't deserve to have them What about all the people he might have saved in the future? What happens when the next unkillable by humans super villain shows up with these arguments someone else? Well, we don't make these arguments whoever is whatever people do that I'm sure that there are Because if there are people who talk about spider-man, it's this or that There's definitely going to be the case with superman Does superman expect humanity to protect itself? I thought he valued human life and swore to protect it whenever he could Well, he still can even after he's forced to kill someone That's the equivalent of saying either superman saves all lives or superman saves no lives And that's that's not really that's ridiculous. Oh, but he's like this seems like it fit really well into the writing of this It's held to a different standard. You see this is the kind of problem you get when you don't have a philosophical basis for your Yeah, by the way, he is held to a higher standard Yeah, superman Is absolutely held to a higher standard because of his capabilities the earth in two if you want to Like the he's gone back to the philosophical bit.    Yeah, this movie definitely challenges superheroes. No cool kill rule. I agree It's quite the challenge But in man of steel superman's code hasn't yet been established The movie is testing superman's morality by removing choice Thereby giving him a starting point to develop a reasoning for his code not arbitrarily That doesn't get developed at bvs like I kind of just stop developing superman in that film the next time they Shine the light don't go to it. The bat is barely a character in that film. It's all about batman Yeah, it's weird like the comics but based experience and real values The film that's probably the biggest failure of that's the central conflict of that movie that movie's namesake Which they don't actually do a lot with at all. No, is that they don't show us superman being like a bad person At least the at least the film doesn't Make an effort to they had like he is because of this but in this universe. He isn't In this universe, you can definitely be super critical of him But he's clearly a good guy for that's worth like he's yeah The the movies clearly portray him as a very very clear force for good and a very pro Batman's the wonky one. You know, lots of pro goodness Yeah, Batman's got weird stuff going on when he's angry and says weird things does weird things Superman character from a real world perspective within the context of this movie's choice theme and outside of choice theme Based on him by his own canon and fandom Yeah, I mean for me, it's like you could turn the question back around and say why is really People seem to have to take issue with because it's like is it comforting the idea that superman wouldn't I mean It's not like something that doesn't exist in the real world. No, and it's a real world problem But you know my point is like he's not I guess they're just talking about the good old-fashioned just dilemmas that require you to kill somebody Okay, yeah Superman until Like the penultimate scene of that film and then he doesn't understand that he has this sort of you know People think of him in a certain way. There's no like superman kills or doesn't kill kind of thing That doesn't exist in this story yet, and we were trying to do within the frame We picked that up relatively realistic story about what did this guy existed? But this isn't the real world, okay? This is the world of deus ex machinas and unchallengeable ideals product placement. Is it allowed here? No, but you made it that way The film made it that way though What's down to is that people who disapproved and to have a deus ex machina and if you don't write one in I wasn't even clear what he was saying there was a requirement. Was he saying No, was he saying that our movie like That's what they do in the comics. There's a deus ex machina And the movie isn't a real world, but they appeal to the real world. So i'm confused So what I think he's saying is that um the comics will bail Superman out from making the decision and the the movie doesn't because it's Grounded it doesn't get to have deus ex machinas exist. But this isn't the real world, okay? This is the world of deus ex machinas and unchallengeable ideals product placement. Is it allowed here? What it really comes down to like insulting the concept of yeah To is that the people who disapprove of zod's killing only do so on the basis that they don't want to see a story Where superman has to make the decision to kill they want it written so that he always has a way out and a reason not to face ethical Yeah, we've come across the same shit with batman And they'll say we don't want to have that story Dilemmas because they think that's what the character is about Superman should never be written into a situation where he has no choice but to kill There's a lot of focus on this no kill thing It's not even it's not even an issue I have with the movie It's flashing back to all of these terrible augurs. We had to deal with about batman He always finds a way In other words, I don't ever want superman to be tested morally and ironically the only way to explore a character's morality It's not an issue with the film either. Nope.  It is nothing except a just a long series of comedically horrific Bad decisions that superman makes. Hey, look at the sun came up at this point, huh? Hope is like the sun Because this video is almost over The situation character gets into are not the character the way the character deals with those situations is the character If you write superman a way out, of course, you'll take the way out because that's his character If you don't write him a way out, it's much deeper and you get to explore what his character will do and how he deals with a No way out situation. And anyway, what's the alternative sends odd back to the phantom zone? So it wants to die in this, you know, I think I guess By superman's own admission, that's a fate worse than death. The phantom zone is a timeless endless prison. So wait a minute What are you saying? That's in a comic. That's in a comic anyway Yeah, well that is the comic for stars. He's he's cool without being the military's plan anyway So what the so clearly he has no problem with killing people. He's already due the people to an eternity in the phantom zone Basically infinite It's by no means a peaceful alternative to death means how can you be damned to a black hole for eternity instead of just being Even life sentences only go for like a hundred years. It's merciful for superman to kill zot compared to well now They go until you die People often say that superman killing his enemies would be him acting unjustly as judge jury and executioner But if he's banishing bros to the p-zone, he's still judge and jury He's still the one making the decision above and outside the law Was the execution part really the only objection the dude is sentencing people to infinite torture by himself The people who think that superman should be immune to morally difficult situations are unwittingly proving the movie's message Uh, yeah, i'm i'm totally yeah, it's not an issue with the film. It's i guess a particular set of people who think that's I'm happy for superman to be challenged on his morals there This film didn't do that. This film was embarrassing Right they find out there's a superman or someone making a superman movie And they impose all of these rules and expectations onto the character and his story the filmmakers have no choice They must unquestioningly recreate my preconceived notion of superman and the kinds of things he's allowed to deal with or i will reject him man, it's like You're flashing back to just talk about spider-man and batman.  It's amazing That's exactly what jonathan kent was afraid of don't bring him Yeah, you have tarnished the reputation of the kent's is absolutely I hope that if i have parents they are nothing like these two Oh, wait, wait, did i say if i have parents? I do have parents. Why did i stand up? That's very I have no idea why Parents they're way better than the kent's I was stuck in the phantom zone We've answered these problems. Hopefully we've given you a reason to watch the film again and give it another chance Never ever again never not for the rest of my life Come across something in a movie that doesn't immediately make sense instead of dismissing it as bad. You can how about you watch it again bud? I mean There were only 10 incidents of damage. So there was one more than nine You know instead of coming to terms with the fact that your movie fucking sucks Maybe you could just invent a secondary film that didn't actually happen to try and explain the events of the one you didn't like That'll do it Yeah, just lie about what happens do some research and try to make it make sense Instead of dismissing it as bad You can watch more closely do some research and try to make it make sense Then be pleasantly surprised and after that if you honestly can't justify the thing Then you can run to the youtube comment section and yell at people about it. Yeah close minded comic book nerd Hey, you're lucky. You're you're in luck.   I guess that's a common person into the film But was it worse than philmento is the question. I think that one was yeah Said things philmento didn't say a lot. Yeah, philmento made up some weird rules. It has goals Um Yeah, the plot happens basically and that's good that the Just one actually made arguments Yeah, it it made pathetic arguments.    There is one called man of steel is the best Superman movie There is man of steel is a great Superman movie and man of steel is not an awful movie I think we've gone over it Yeah, I would be very happy to never talk about this film again because I can't All I'll say is fuck this movie. I never want to see it again There's even more wrong with it that we haven't covered in the two Big pieces of courage and the efet movies. It's just that we can't cover everything.   BBS is better. Okay Batman versus Superman is better. Yeah, I'm one of woman one. So I yeah, I'm in the camp. So one woman one is better. Yes I think so. Yes Yep, I I think I said it I said it from when we we watched it. It was uh Rags and he gets the trophy What was hey, hon. Hey, hon. So, uh, who was the third guy that said that one woman was better? Was that metal? I think well me. No, I think I think Was it was capital metal? I think was uh on the Man of steel camp with us. Yeah, my listings are uh, Batman versus Superman then wonder woman then man of steel then wonder woman 84 Yeah, I forgot. I do want just to know I just do want a note thrown in like man of steel is trying its best to get down to wonder 184. Okay Like oh, yeah, man woman 1984 just makes so little sense that i'm not sure that it can be challenged Will building is like a zero out of 100 while. Yeah, but the thing is like Maybe it was max lord. Yeah max lord does make this a competition to sub degree because mad of steel nothing works Okay, nothing, but there's max lord So that's what i'm saying, but I think I think I see an idea of nothing works, but the Like wonder woman 1984 Fuck me the things that don't work. Jesus Yeah That's true, but I feel like 84 just none of it works. I feel Like there's max lord Yeah, but the way that it fits into like it man of steel like at least fits into this retarded universe's timeline Wonder woman 1984 can't exist Um true, but at the same time like That that's a point against it. I guess uh Will building a lot. Well, I feel like it's a point against it as being part of a series, which I think counts for sure No, I wouldn't that's what I was saying. I was trying to categorize it. I'm not sure if I put it in will I'm not sure what it would categorize as. Yeah, I would say world building If wonder woman is supposed to have been category continuity with other, you know It definitely takes points down for that. I just I just I just think the matter of steel is worthless It's so bad Every single thing it is trying to do it just stumbles all over the place It cannot help itself I I am I'm closely approaching the point of saying that it's worse than wonder woman 84 I'm I'm I just wanted I just wanted to present it as a possibility. I'm not sure I'm I'm getting close. So I think the whole I think everyone in the planet being able to make wishes is kind of unbeatable Yeah, it's like that's that's a universe breaking.   Some notes disappear. Some looks exploit in the air I'm sorry. Does that really Does that really like offset?  That's max thing.  Well, there were the two when he's in his office and then at the end and then at the end with his son But how did he even get how did he find his son? You know what I mean? Even the good scene doesn't make sense Not character. I I'm just saying what is there in man of steel Well, I guess what I'm saying is like, I'm not sure if I would say that man of man of steel has some incredible lows I just don't know if they're quite as low as that's 84s wish I would say 84 is worse Yeah, I definitely think the intensity of its badness is same here. Yeah I get that now the intensity of his badness makes it kind of fun to watch whereas Man, it's not fun to watch I I mean, I agree. I brought another one in 84 Oh, yeah Yeah Um, I get you I follow I do I do Also, I mean, how much do we how much do we put on? You know, like is there any act? Well, there is some bad acting in in man of steel But like the main character in 1984 is poorly acted Like how do you get around that? You know in terms of with factoring that into Yeah, like I think I think nobody in this film is horrendously bad Um, I mean Michael Shannon's pretty bad, but I wouldn't say that he's uh, But I feel like it's almost not even his acting. It's like the material is shit Like there's nothing he can do to make it work I know but like I think it's just a couple lines. It's not like it's not a performance in generally like a lot of stuff He says it's perfectly normal. Yeah, it's totally good. Yeah. I think he's a really he's a good Zod With the exception of a couple lines Yeah, I will find him in on a farm in the bank That was the script that he didn't write so I guess um All my brain's racking around is the idea like if if if they really were four columns and for every Break or bend being contrivance or whole Like, you know, man steel is rubble Entirely while uh one 184 is rubble too, but there's a couple of bits of structure left Because I consider them both both broken But I'm assuming you guys like think that one 184 so broken like the floor was caved in or the rubble has gone into Hell I think it's catastrophic Like I think that's how we categorize like crisis on infinite earth as being like worse than everything else because it's just It's adherence to logic and it it's it's world It just breaks We are we are talking about two horrendously bad films. So it's kind of like infinitism's broke time and space Like, uh, yeah, which is in the same realm as I don't know about that Wonder Woman 1984 absolutely fucks with space. That's for sure. Well, no We don't know how it works that it just can't make like we're so beyond confused at how exactly Which is doing anything shows us contradictory things about the way that like time moves forward in the way the objects and permanence even exists You know what I mean? Yeah, but meanwhile infinitisms does time and space have been deleted. Here you go.  Yeah That's worse. Yeah, that's like a that's a story that's functional, but it's not even it's like holding on by a thread Yeah, if it was any worse it couldn't be a story I mean, I'm sure that I don't put them both in the batwoman category like the Oh, yeah, batwoman is that's why yeah batwoman's the three I think I'd be happy to put manips No, no no no batwoman's two three is tlg. Oh, it's the one one of the two. Okay I think I'm totally comfortable with putting manip Steel in the two camp. I just feel like it's a higher hero head Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Not by much Yeah, I want to give some I want to give some weight to the like whatever redeemable factor Is in 1984 as like just say just sort of a point of reference of man of steel has nothing And one woman has at least something But one of the problems I think are a little bit more significant a little bit more significant Yeah, I agree, but I also want to appreciate that there's more in 1984 that's likable than there is I guess what I'm saying is I think it balances out in man of steel's favor by just a little bit Because the things I like still have tons of issues with them Like yeah, like there's more there's more that's good in winner soldier, but batwoman is like more entertaining Yeah, like I don't want us to circle too hard like I get it. I completely follow.  Please. Thank you Well, no more. No more.  He's got one for bvs.   I was so wrong. He's he's got more than one video on bvs Oh my god, there's three films They're all they're all subtitled the first is batman's motive explained the second one is the bartha controversy and the third Lex luther's plan explained Stop it Well, the fact that when we were originally doing this. I'm like, hey, I want to help cover the Wonder Woman 1984 I wasn't necessarily signing on to do the whole dceu, but now I'm already in here I'm converted for the long haul Yeah The top comment is on the first of the bvs ones It's so refreshing to see people who actually understand what zack snider's vision for this movie was And I'm sure we're gonna get times of that when justice late comes out.  Merry christmas guys. It's gonna be out before. Yeah everyone Happy halloween Happy february Schlenke flumes Written to buy Yeah, goodbye everyone


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