Thanks to Becca Ballant, the Majority Leader in the Senate, come on up. And Jim Harrison, who's in the house now and has a long time had of the Vermont Grocery and Retailers Association. So very pleased that both of you could be with us today. And we are going to be passing the mic back and forth because otherwise it can be hard to hear. We tried projecting without the mic and that didn't work so well. So and we have a number of questions from readers. And I have to say, readers ask the best questions. I mean, they're amazing questions. So I think we can get quite deep on the nuances of this topic in the short period of time we have in front of us. I don't know if you each want to say something super brief about your general stance on minimum wage and then we can dive right into questions if you like. Jim? Sure. Thank you, Ann. And thank you, folks, for coming out early this morning. Pleased to be here. As Ann mentioned, I'm Jim Harrison. I do have a past. Please don't hold that against me. I do try in my new role in life that now my third year, second session of being a legislator, I do try to look at things with a very open mind. I recognize my role here is to represent the constituents of my four towns, which are Bridgewater, Killington, Menden, and my hometown of Chittenden. So I'm very pleased to be here. And I look forward to the conversation. In terms of preconceived notions, I'm here to learn what Senator Ballant has to say. And we'll take it from there. But I don't always come at it from a government knows best perspective. But on the other hand, I try to be very pragmatic. Good morning. It's always fun to share the stage with Jim because he and I have a nice relationship. We spent many years together talking about issues in the Economic Development Committee in the Senate side when you had come in to testify. He was like the treats that I brought. He did. He brought great donuts. It's true. So along with, I believe at this point, 15 other senators. I am a co-sponsor of the minimum wage bill. So that gives you some idea of where I stand on this issue. Someone who worked multiple minimum wage jobs throughout my adulthood. And it's someone who comes from a family that has worked restaurant jobs and tipped wage jobs. For many years, I have a particular lens. And like Jim, I like to talk about the nuance of the conversation. So I'm looking forward to seeing what comes from the questions this morning. So happy for the invitation. Great. Thank you both. So the questions are really from a range of points of view. And some people would appear from their questions to be very anxious about the implications of an increase in the minimum wage. And other people wonder why it's taken the legislature so long to get there. So in that spirit, I have a general question at the beginning. Many employers are already paying well above minimum wage in order to attract workers. Is a minimum wage rate really necessary? Who is really paying minimum wage at this time? And so that's my overarching question. And we'll dive into reader questions. Jen? Well, first of all, as we are all well aware, we have a shortage in our workforce. There are, if I heard anything from both small and large businesses this past year is we cannot find enough good employees. The positive side of that is the marketplace reacts to it. And wages are going up. And I think that's all good. We just have to be careful when we mandate those increases too high in what happens to all wages, which therefore puts a lot of squeeze on the business owner and prices that they need to charge to stay in business. So there is definitely a shortage. And I think, as I've said, the positive thing on that is the marketplace is increasing wages right now. That's good. So I don't disagree with Jim that we have a worker shortage. It's something that really was the issue, one of the two issues that compelled me to run for the legislature to begin with, which was looking at the crisis of workforce in my county, Wyndham County, and also looking at the growing rates of poverty. We don't disagree on that. We have a workforce crisis. What we do disagree on is, are we paying people currently what they're worth in the marketplace? And so when you look at who's benefited for the last 10 to 20 years, so since 1979, wages have been flat for those at the lower wage earners and middle wage earners, completely flat. 99% of Vermont workers have not seen a significant wage and their wages since 1979. So although I understand that this is going to be a challenge for many businesses, we know that 90% of our businesses here in Vermont employee workers have 20 workers or fewer in their places of employment, but a third of the workforce works for those employees. So you've got 2 thirds of employees working for businesses that are larger than that. And we need to be thinking about, what are the workers worth? Productivity has risen dramatically in the last 20 years, but we have not seen increases in wages. And if you are making minimum wage in Vermont, you're still making a poverty wage. So what class of company actually pays minimum wage at this point? I mean, is it just Walmart or are there other companies in Vermont that a majority of which are paying minimum wage? Is it farm workers? Do we know anything about the sectors that are actually paying minimum wage at this point? That's a good question. And looking at the Department of Labor website and all the data that they have on there, there is a number of industries that probably have higher number of low paying jobs, certainly retail. And a lot of that's because it's a lot of part time employees when your seven days a week open long hours. You have a lot of part time, and you have a lot of ebbs and flows in the business. Hospitality industry, which are often gratuity based in addition to wages. So the wage itself might be low, but gratuities hopefully bring that up to a more respectable number. So there are a lot of service sector jobs, but it's not just that. Sometimes we don't look at is I went last week to a meeting on early daycare, early childhood education and whatnot. I was surprised to learn that one daycare center of the average wage or the starting wage maybe was like 12, 35, 12, 50, which really doesn't sound very high for the type of people you're trying to attract there. And they would love to pay 15. However, they also indicated that it was going to mean that they're I'm going to get the numbers wrong. I do the latter one. I do have right that the cost, the price they need to charge the parents was going to go up from say 250 a week to 400 a week. And could they afford that? That's something we all have to do. And the answer isn't always, well, the government will just pay more because the government can only get money from the taxpayers. So we have to be very careful in terms of the balance of what that means. But it does cross many sectors. So and there's but it also is a lot of part time that are supplementing incomes. So I think what's interesting is you could look at the jobs that people are in or you could look at who are these workers in general. Who are these part time workers? And that tells you a lot about who would be directly impacted by a change in the minimum wage. Before I get to that, though, I want to make sure people understand this increase in the wage is it includes what the pay increase was going to be in previous legislation that was passed. So if we stay on the path that we're on, we're still going to have a minimum wage increase. And that's been lost in the discussion in the state house. So if we do nothing, there is still going to be an increase. The difference will be by 2024, we'll be at $12.04 an hour by 2024. And with the new bill, if it passes and gets signed into law, we will be at $15 by 2024. So it's a pretty slow incremental climb. But who are these workers? So 56% of these workers are women. Many of them are the heads of their households. I know we often say that these are teen workers, but 90% of the people will be impacted by this are 20 or older. So most of them are not teen workers. Many of them are not part time. And Jim talked a little bit about the tipped wage. Women are the majority of both the minimum wage and the tipped-waged workers. And I don't think we'll probably have time to even delve into the tipped-waged part. But right now, tipped-wage in Vermont is only half of what the regular minimum wage is. And so that is going to be an issue that we also are going to be investigating. I don't know if we'll make any legislative recommendations on the tipped-wage. But we know that when women are overwhelmingly in any line of work, they tend to be less paid than the men. And so we see this with the tipped-wage as well. Women are the overwhelming members of the tipped-wage class and they are also experiencing much higher rates of sexual harassment on the job than in other lines of work. Part of that we believe is because they rely on their tips to supplement their income. And so they are dependent on those tips and put up with more at work because they feel they need to in order to bring home the pay. So it's just another nuance I wanted to bring into the discussion that we really haven't given a lot of attention to in the state house yet. Thank you very much. John Grovner is here. I don't know if you want to ask your question, but that's the first question on my list. So did you want to pose it? More from a historical perspective that if we did nothing, we chose minimum wage when it was 20 years ago and we took an indexing method to what it should be today. What would it be? Was one question I had. The kid remembers the other one, to be honest with you, at the end, but while I had the floor, I was talking to a coworker as well who's raised another question and she's a part-time woman and she's a part-time employee that does cops together. You know, very typical of a bunch of cops together, there are multiple jobs to make ends meet and she works at Kinney Drugs and there was this kind of fear aspect when I talked to her about the raising of it and I was quite taken aback by it in that Kinney is already positioning themselves their finance people are crunching numbers and writing algorithms and whatnot as to how to adjust the schedules that work and my impact in the lives of these people. I was really quite surprised and taken aback by that and I just wanted to throw that out as to is this really going to happen? How does this impact?   I think that's... Great, well thank you, John. I think if there was a question in there and it was where would we be now if minimum wage had been indexed from the beginning and I don't know the answer to that question, do you guys know? I'll take a quick stab at it but it will be in broad brush. You can always pick numbers in the, I mean minimum wage dates back a long, long time and you can pick the, when it started to where it was now and maybe we're ahead of that or even whether you can also pick a time in between or let's just say, you know, 1975 and then go forward and maybe it's less than what it would have been there just with CPI. I would say, first of all, a couple of things, Vermont has currently six highest, I think minimum wage in the country. We can't lose sight of that because we're not necessarily operating in a bubble. Additionally, if you look at 2014 to 2017, when 2014 was the last time that the legislature actually set in a schedule as opposed to CPI and that wage, I think went up like 14.5% in those three years. Wages in Vermont over those same three years, median wages only increased six and a half percent. So just increasing beyond what inflation would have been does not necessarily mean that wages overall wages increase at the same rate. So it's something we just have to be cognizant of. We need to look at all the impacts. We don't have a magic wand in my pillar where we can just say everything's gonna be good.  So to your first question, my understanding is if it had increased peg two inflation rate of growth that we would be at a $20 an hour minimum wage in order to have the same buying power that someone had in 1973, I think it is. And so right now, if you look back at where it was adjusted for inflation in the early 70s, it was about just over $10 in terms of buying power. And right now we're just over $10, but we don't have the same buying power. So some of this is, as Jim said, it's hard to peg down the numbers, but we know it has not grown to the extent to which we are where we were in the 1970s. Another way to measure that is minimum wage today is much farther away from middle class wages. So looking at 1968, so I looked at the year I was born, so I turned 50 this year. And so I was thinking, where was it in the year I was born? So minimum wage jobs and the proceeds from that made up 50% of the share of the national wages for full-time, full-year median wage. Today it's only about a third, right? So if you just look at what people were making, contributing to national wage, it made up about 50% and now it's only a third. Your second question was, what's the impact for workers on the ground, right? And of course, this is what I care about in when I'm out talking to constituents. When I have people email me and call me and say, I can't make it work, I can't make the numbers work, but I'm also concerned, am I gonna lose hours at my job? Is my job gonna be eliminated? There are a lot, so one thing that you should know is this is the most studied economic issue ever. And so we have a lot of data. Some of it's conflicting, but most of it generally, you can pull out themes and threads. And one is, although there might be loss of some jobs, often they're part-time jobs and people pick up those hours at another job. And what we find is when you look at studies of this, because like I said, it's the most studied, if you look at places that have increased minimum wage, if people lose hours at a particular job, they tend to pick it up at another job and they make up for it over the course of the year and they end up the year ahead. So does this make it easy for employers? Absolutely not. I'm not saying that this is easy. It's going to take adjustment. It's going to take hard work and sacrifice. I understand that, but my lens, I get sent here to Montpelier to do work by my constituents who are struggling to make ends meet. And so when I look at the data, when I delve into it, I think on the whole, it makes more sense to move to this than to not. Sorry, I just happened to be on the way with the microphone. And sometimes I need to. As I said before, we have to look at ramifications, we have to be cognizant of it. And maybe I am super sensitive to it because of my past life. Country stores are near and dear to me. We're losing them for a variety of reasons. One of which is increased costs that the state puts on them. We talk about conflicting studies. We don't have a lot of data on the new world of $15 sound bites for minimum wage. Seattle is probably the closest. And the study by the University of Washington indicated that in the first nine months, when they went to $13, there was a reduction of 9.4% in hours at the lower end. So we just, we have to be cognizant of that. And Seattle is a much more urban world with a lot more economic activity going on than probably our entire state. So we just need to beware of implications. And I would get back to, I mean, even our joint fiscal office and our economist, Tom Kovett, when he looked at the request of the legislature, he talked about a reduction in jobs at 15, even on the phase in schedule was going to be 22, 2,800 positions statewide. So again, there's a fine balancing act. And I said before, I can be pragmatic and work with anyone for an outcome, but I don't wanna just vote for something because it seems like a politically popular thing to do and do more harm than good at the end of the day. I can ask some questions now. So I think, Vermonters are really pragmatic and a lot of the questions we have are all about the law of unintended consequences. So let's just dive right in. Mike Rogers from Colchester says, school districts outside of teachers employ a variety of workers who may not make that $15 minimum wage. Accelerating this movement, will the legislature recognize the additional pressure it will place on school budgets and the increases that will occur on property taxes and be understanding of that domino effect.  So before his past life, retail grocer, my past life working in schools. And so certainly as a former teacher, as a parent now of two kids in the public schools in Browlerboro, I certainly understand you pull one thread, you're gonna feel it in another place. I understand that. I think what's hard about this issue is we in state government or local government often feel the need to push the envelope to tell other people what to do, right? That we should be more virtuous, that we should increase wages and we ourselves are not willing to do that on the ground where it is in schools and school budgets in state government. I understand this is gonna impact state government workers as well. And so will we be sensitive? I can't speak to my colleagues. I certainly understand what it is to try to pass a local school budget and to take care of the people on the ground taking care of our kids. But what kind of state do we wanna have? What kind of community do we wanna have? Do we want people working in our schools who are making a poverty wage? That is my question. Do you want paraprofessionals who do a lot of the frontline work with kids not making a livable wage? I don't. So is it going to make for some very difficult decisions at the local level? Absolutely. And I wanna just say, because I know I couldn't take the microphone back before, in terms of job loss, just wanna say a lot of the job loss is not full-time equivalence. It's part-time work. And I think that's important to keep in mind. So to your question, Ann, are we aware that it's going to have the impacts beyond the market sector? Is it going to impact our schools and our workers there? Absolutely. But I feel strongly that this is work that needs to be done. It's not my question. Oh, okay. It's my readers' question. Your readers' question. Thank you for the clarification. Mike from Colchester. Yes. Yeah. None of the rest to this point. So Mike Rogers wanted to know what the impact basically is gonna be for school districts who need to pay $15 an hour who might be paying paraprofessionals or cafeteria workers or school bus drivers or custodians, less than $15 an hour. And another person here, while we're on this topic because it's in the same vein, Teresa Wood from Waterbury wants to know what impact this could have. And I'm trying to find her exact question here.  In this case, what would the impact on services for people with disabilities and older Vermonters be? So are there school budget implications for local property tax payers and then implications for the state increasing wages or the designated agencies in some cases? You know, have we run the numbers? Do we know what the cost would be if we did this? I don't have the pleasure of serving on the Appropriations Committee when we look at all the various state budgets, but our own Rutland County Visiting Nurse Association talked to the Rutland County legislators, this passball and they indicated, you know, they're heavily dependent on state funding through Medicaid, heavily dependent. And as much as they would also like to just increase wages to the 15 and beyond, the budget implication was $300,000 a year. And the message to us was, if you wanna do that and you think that's the best public policy, we need another $300,000 in appropriation. So you have to look at that, not only Rutland, but other counties and what's the escalating effect? And that's just one segment. It, the mental health agency had a similar message. I don't believe they gave us a hard and fast number, but there are escalating, and sometimes it's not just bringing, you know, the unskilled entry level position to 15 that is an impact. It's bringing everybody else up that was making 15 or 16 that's experienced and trained.  So it's very difficult. There is budgetary implications. There's budgetary implications in the current environment as there's a workforce, but we just have to be very, very careful and tread like. Thank you. On the flip side, Ken Kaddish from Colchester wants to know, what do you predict the amount of increased state income tax revenue will be generated by $15 minimum wage compared to today's income tax budget projection? And will this increased tax income be dedicated for any specific uses? So I think these questions are really pointing up that this is a much more complex issue than the rhetoric that we hear from both sides. So what would the state income tax revenue implications be? Becca, do you know? I didn't bring those figures. Jim, do you have those on you? I can certainly get them to post later to your website because we do have the analysis from joint fiscal. I just had to choose from my packet. And one thing if I could, because I thought Jim brought up an excellent point of the home health aides and the LNAs. And one other piece that we heard in testimony last week was that in addition to the lower wages, they pay that they would, they all say we would like to be able to pay more. These are really hard jobs. They have a 40%, 40% turnover rate. And we discussed in committee, what would it look like for you to pay more, have less of a turnover rate and not have to do all of the training that you have to do, all the costs associated with the retraining of people when you have a turnover rate that high. So there's a lot that we don't know, but certainly we are taking testimony on both sides of the building and both the House and Senate on these issues. This is not, sometimes the way it's portrayed in the news is that it's a slam dunk because we did it, we passed it last year and we're still going back again to get the updated numbers to see what it looks like today because those numbers are now two years old. So I just wanna reassure people that we're doing that. Just on the tax issue, a number of folks would also argue and perhaps successfully that we all wanna help those on the low end and try to do what we can. And it may be from a government standpoint earned income tax credit is much more targeted. It's not targeted at the part-time high school student supplementing their allowance or college savings or what have you. It's targeting the people who are trying to raise families and need help. So it's something we should consider and look at from what's been good in this area but we could do more. Thank you, we have a specific question from Jean Rindel from Manchester Center. She wants to know, will high school students also get $15 an hour? As people aware of economic factors know, a high minimum wage will cause inflation. How will inflation affect people in fixed incomes and low income people? Will the middle class be able to afford food if milk and bread starts costing $8 and $9 a gallon? So we've got two sets of questions there. One is specifically, will high school students get $15 an hour followed by, what would the ripple effect be for consumers? So, Becca, you wanna start? So the bill is still in committee and it's still being worked on but this is an issue that we took up last time. We'll take up again. As it currently is, high school workers would not be paid at the same rate as other workers under this bill. And that is, we haven't landed yet but that is certainly part of the complexity of the issue related to the employment scene among our retailers in Vermont and who are those workers. So that's the first piece. What was the? The second piece was- Oh, prices, prices. Yeah, that's the potential inflation. Right, and so again, when you look at the data, which I'm a geek, I'm a history major, I love the footnotes, delved into the studies again this weekend and really what seems to be sort of the consensus of what increase in costs of goods that we'll see, it's basically 0.3% to 1.5%. And I'm not saying that's insignificant, it's not. If you're on a fixed income, any increase can be significant but it's not, we're not looking at $8 for a gallon of gas or a loaf of bread, as she said. Based on past experience and studies. So in terms of the student's current Vermont law, exempts high school students from the minimum wage. They have to pay the federal, which is $7.25. What's interesting to note though in the marketplace, high school students are today are typically paid minimum wage of Vermont's minimum wage or higher. And quite frankly, it's the marketplace. If you're looking for, listen, I started out, I'll date myself, I'm not as young as the senator here. But when I started out, minimum wage was like 160 or 165. You're definitely 165. I am, I'm sorry, full disclosure. And I was thrilled to death. One of the jobs I took paid 174 to start. I thought it was back in groceries, as you might expect. And I was pretty darn good at it. And maybe after a few months, I got a raise to 180. And I was really pleased. I thought I was something that, so it's difficult. So whatever the bar we set, unfortunately for those that perhaps don't need that kind of wage, we're, they're probably gonna go along with it because of the marketplace. It just like I said before of the inflation on the other end, what's very interesting to me is it gets back to the economic activity in an area. New Hampshire is one of those states that have not changed from the federal. Their minimum wage is 725 today. We're at, what are we, 1078 right now that goes up with inflation. Their median wage is higher than Vermont. So again, it's the economic activity. There's a lot of more perhaps opportunity, especially in Southern New Hampshire. But even in areas like the Upper River Valley, there's a lot going on in New Hampshire side. So the minimum wage, it may not have the impact that we think it does. And in fact, you could argue that perhaps Vermont with the sixth highest minimum wage in the country today has the 21st highest medium wage. So it's not a silver bullet in magic answer. Thank you. Cecil Foster from Bristol wants to know about the Seattle reports. There have been mixed findings of the results of the raising of the minimum wage in Seattle. Which report do you accept and why have you chosen to accept that particular report? Jim, we'll start with you. Well, as I mentioned before, and I haven't studied this like the committees of jurisdiction have and I'm sure they've heard those conflicting reports. The University of Washington did probably the first study on Seattle. And again, Seattle may be important in that it was the first one to go up. And it was a quicker. Right, and they were at 13, I think, at least a year ago. So that's important in that regard. But it's also important that it's so different than what we are in Vermont. So the University of Washington indicated that 9.4% reduction in positions or hours, I guess maybe for the low skilled entry level positions. I don't know since then if that's changed. But we also need to remind ourselves there are a lot of variables in terms of economic activity. I don't want to get off track, but sometimes I look and presidents, both parties pat themselves on the back when the economy was doing good, that they somehow had something to do with it. And they get the blame. They get the blame when the economy's not doing well. And I would suggest that both claims are overrated because the economy is moving independently for a variety of reasons. So it's a great question. The Seattle study is one that confounds a lot of people because you can find very strong arguments on either side of the debate, looking at the results of that same situation in Seattle. So what I've chose to do is to put aside Seattle because it isn't a strong indicator either way. So what I like to do is look at more meta-analyses. So let's look at studies of studies and what do we find when we aggregate? So two that I like to look at, Stanley and D'Culiacus was a 2009 study. So it was a meta-analysis of studies of minimum wage and it looked at many, many areas that had minimum wage increases and they looked at does it have a depressing effect in those areas on employment? And the meta-analysis shows that in fact, with a couple outliers at either end of the graph, most of them are right dead in the middle, meaning it did not have a negative impact. So looking at the aggregate. The other one that did a similar thing was a 2010 study of 300 contiguous counties across the country. So counties that increased minimum wage that were bordered by a county that did not increase minimum wage. And it was a similar finding. Of these 3,000 border study analyses, what they found was again, no significant depression of either wages or employment in those areas. Now again, we're gonna keep looking. We're gonna keep delving into the data to see, what are the threads that we can pull out? And as Jim said, there are many factors involved in employment in wages and it's the minimum wage is one part of it. But I feel secure when I look at the meta-analysis of what has happened. I feel like the thinking over time has changed about the impact that minimum wage has on local economies. Thank you. So we're almost out of time. I want to respect everyone's time here, including our guests. So it's 8.53, I think we have time for one more. Is that all right? Okay. So this is from Dave Wagner of South Burlington. And this picks up on something John Grovner was saying earlier about his friend who works at Kinney Drugs. How will you keep employers from cutting hours, workers work at the $15 hourly wage who formerly were working 40 hours at the $10 hourly wage? A related question that was in the list here has to do with the impact on benefits that certain people might not qualify for if they were paid more. So Jim, we'll start with you and finish with Becca. And this will be our last question. Do I get to intercept the mic coming back for the last word? A good question, a short answer is we don't know how the impacts would be. I think we have to be cognizant of that. We have to be careful. There can be a reduction in hours. At the end of the day, if business doesn't do anybody any good, not themselves, not their employees, if they're out of business. So they need to try to do what they can to balance prices, balance the needs of their employees, make sure they're attracting good employees, and sometimes that means paying a premium and that's the marketplace. So they have to be very cognizant of it. But what employers are also very nervous about is we, meaning legislators, across the way here, think sometimes we know the answer and we don't always know the right answer. And now let me just give you a quick example of that. This year, our legislative leaders have already announced plans for a new mandated family leave program. Well-intentioned, valuable benefit, but it's a nearly 1% payroll tax funded by the employer and the employee. So you take that by itself. We do sometimes work on things in a silo and it says that's a great benefit. I know it's a cost, but the benefits may outweigh the cost from many's perspective. But then on top of that, we say, well, that's not enough. So we need to go to a $15 minimum wage. We have to be very cognizant of the impacts. So we wanna all want people to earn more. We want opportunities for all of our citizens. We just have to be careful of how we do it and we don't always know best. So one thing I think we all need to keep in mind is we have a citizen legislature. We are not professionals. I have no staff. Even as majority leader, I have no staff. I am one person of a body of 30 and a larger body of 180. And I bring that up because I go home every weekend to my little neighborhood in Browleboro and I'm out in my yard, stacking my wood, trimming my lawn and people in my neighborhood know where I am and they come and talk to me about what's important to them. And so we are not professionals. So do we often make some mistakes along the way? Do we not always get it right? Absolutely, because we are you and you are us. So I wanna remind folks of that. That said, what do I hear overwhelmingly from my constituents? I need to earn more money. I cannot make it work. I'm working as hard as I can. I can't support my children. And to the benefits issue, which is such a great question, which is our employer's gonna have to trim on benefits in order to pay for a wage increase. That's gonna be for those employers to decide. I'm not gonna say what's right for a business. I do know that when I talk to my constituents, overwhelmingly they want more take home pay. They wanna decide how that money is spent. Will that be true across the board? I'm sure not. I'm sure there are gonna be some instances when they feel like they're losing a benefit that they enjoyed. But I have to kind of distill the information that I get from my constituents. And what I'm hearing is I need to make more money. Thanks, Ann. Thank you. Thank you all for coming. This is a really complex issue that'll be playing out for the months to come. And we'll be, we're already talking about doing a major data analysis because I think the answers are really unclear and the data is mixed. And so I think the more data sets we can get out there for people to evaluate the easier to be able to see what's most beneficial for everyone, which is a hard thing, right? That's the thing we struggle with as a democracy figuring out what's a benefit to the public on the whole. So thank you all for coming.


Hi everyone, Sean with jaskiescasebrakes.com here doing 2021 Panini Don Russ Football. Six box break, pick your team number six, where at the end we're giving away $1,000 in break credit as well. So the way this works, no vet commons ship, except for a couple of exceptions. One, there's photo variations in this that have the players without their helmets on. Those all ship and then the second year quarterbacks of Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, Tua Tagovilo and Jalen Hurtship, and then always Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady. But other than that, nothing else, the rookies and stuff, no vet commons. Then, at the end of the break, we will be giving away $1,000 in break credit, how to be entered into a $1,000 break credit giveaway by two or more teams in the break get entered to win top two names each, win $500 in break credit. So there you go. Two teams, one entry, four teams, two entries, six teams, three entries, et cetera. There you go. Here is our list of customers with respect to teams from Wilcom, Stock and the Cardinals, down to Jonathan Araldi in Washington. Last spot, Mojo times two, Michael Estrella, Giants and the Bears. So good luck to everybody, especially Michael. Thanks for helping us close this out tonight. This is the last six boxes from the case. You can see these all have a five slash six on them. The five is crossed out because obviously these weren't picked for pick a team number five by a dice roll. These were all set up for pick a team six and there is our final list as well. So as we've been doing these breaks, I've been doing them with three boxes at a time.  So there will be a recap at the end of the break of any all autos, any significant, big rookie quarterback hits and any low numbered hits as well, 25 or lower. So if you just wanna see that stuff, go ahead and look into the notes of the video if you're watching this on replay and either use that link to go to that timestamp or just fast forward to that time in the video. You should be able to get all that. If you're watching live, you're stuck with me. You are correct. Michael actually has the Jets and the Bears. So there you go. Let me fix that real quick. Thank you Travis, good point. Let me fix that real quick. Wrong New York team. So you and Michael are getting swapped. You have giants, Michael has Jets. My apologies guys. Okay, so let me change that in video and I'll reprint. Yeah, Michael has Jets and Bears. So last but not most of us to the Jets, not the Bears. I mean, not the giants. So leave the top cam on so you guys can see that first box still stacked there. And my error here. No trade, that wasn't all me. But luckily that's a one quick fix and print a new sheet. And here's the other sheet. That's gonna go in the trash to never be seen again. That's pretty cool. What level is that? Is that their triple A team in real time or is that a lower level? So you can see the correction. Travis with giants, Michael Jets. There you go. Thank you Travis for putting that up. That's their triple A, it's pretty nice. I know, that would have been real interesting. I know Brody, we do, we do need some one-on-ones. Yeah, my apologies guys. Let's see this case come through at the end as well. Chad, are you a Mariners fan or what are you trying to do? Like best view, best chance at like foul balls, best chance at, I don't know if they're doing any autographs anytime. When I've been there recently. But I also don't get there early enough to see the players during warm-ups, doing autographs and stuff. Mariners fan, my wife and I are trying to hit up every stadium. We're the best view, want best view, but not crazy expensive. Well, one, Chad, angels suck, so tickets shouldn't be very cheap. I mean, tickets shouldn't be very expensive.  There, I mean, I think club level is always a nice little spot to sit. It's the 300 level, but it's actually, it's like, it's a small sections. I sit along the third base side. This, yeah. You guys are contending right now, man. Abraham Toro looks like an absolute monster for you. Your sell-off of your, of your closer, who I don't think has performed the way Houston is expected, right? Has Ned of you a guy who looks like he just is on a tear, so. But I usually sit around along the third base side. We're like in like foul ball territory in like section like 107 or something like that. But like three, I think it's a level 300. The club level is always fun. Honestly, if you can find like a good deal on them, the dugout suites are super cool. It is one of the most unique, you know, views you'll ever see. Taysom Hill, no helmet. And that's our first auto. It's Ken Anderson out of 25. Not specifically the Bengal quarterback we're looking for. But for the Bengals, Derek Gordon, the dugout suites are really cool, Chad. You won't usually find them online. Kyle Trask, Buck and Ears, Matthew Shura. But if you use a ticket broker site down here called 714 Tickets, I think they have access to some of those tickets sometimes. But they're literally right behind home plate. And it's, you have the view of the dugout, but home plate right behind home plate. So the dugout suites are actually dug out in the same area between the dugouts. So they go from one end to the other. They're really cool. Dak Prescott, no helmet. And James Robinson to 100 for the Jaguars and Shawn Matic. Joe Burrow, second year. Deandre Swift, no helmet. And Mac Jones for the Patriots. That is Eric Kuziak and a very nice Elijah Mitch, sorry, Elijah Moore. No name, rookie. These are one in a box. So he's a good rookie too for the Jets, last spot mojo, Michael Estrella. I don't think they can usually post them on, yeah, 714tickets.com, I believe is the website. I don't think they can post a dugout tickets online, but I think you can call them. Jalen Ramsey and it's the Angels Chad. They're not in high demand right now. So you could probably wait until the very last minute and get some pretty good deals on a lot of tickets. Jalen Waddle, nice the rookies for the Dolphins and Travis Melbert. Let me know when it gets closer to the dates Chad and I'll check and see if I actually have my tickets. And if I'm not using them, I'm more than willing to just give them to you. Larry Fitzgerald, no helmet. And Devonta Smith, very nice. This is a portrait, which is last year's canvas, rated rookie, Eagles, Travis Melbert. Ours are a section like 107, 106, right on the third baseline, just a little bit past third base, row C, so third row from the field. Josh Allen, no helmet. Tom Brady, Buccaneers, Matthew Shura. And Justin Jefferson to 500 for the Vikings. And Patrick Davis, 27th off to check and see if I have those tickets. Christian McCaffrey, no helmet. Aaron Rodgers, no helmet. They seem all upside down, so let's switch around. I hit it in the 48 box. That was you, Chad?  Oh, you know what? Me and Joe were talking about it. Yeah, I heard you're flying in. Are you coming in this weekend or are you coming in later on? Are you waiting for that weekend? That's insane. Such an insane card. Justin Herbert, no helmet. I just put one in one together. That's crazy, Chad. Congratulations, man. Justin Herbert to 299 Relic as well. Charger, Sean Matik.  Mahomes for the Chiefs, Josh Reich and Jaylen Hertz for second year. George Kittle, no helmet. And Anthony Schwartz to 500 for the Browns. That is Glenn Campbell. Week of the Mariner, so you can pick it up in person? That's cool. That's super cool, man. Well, hey, even if they missed the playoffs, you got that card. Russell Wilson, no helmet. Adam Thielen, no helmet. And Joe said they are live too, right? Some of them have been redeemed already. You rewatched two times? Yeah, I probably flagged that video for my all time videos on YouTube. And here's where I made about $30,000. Joe Nameth, no helmet. Tom Brady, Patriots, Eric Kuziak. Alvin Kamara, no helmet. And Michael Gallup to 50 for the Cowboys, Mike Krasinski. Oh my God, Chad. Is that what it's out of? Is it out of 20? We were trying to figure out, if I was like, I think it's like 24 or 26 or something like that. I was like, I know it's super low numbered, but it's really only 20. Wow. Josh Jacobs, Raiders, no helmet.  Will Comstock. That's only gonna go up in value as the season starts too. I hope he does incredible for you. Jonathan Taylor, and for everybody else collecting in. No helmet for the Colts. Kellan Mann for the Vikings, and Patrick Davis. Patrick Mahomes for the Chiefs, Josh Wright. Rams, no helmet. Did I really hope you get it? Elijah Moore, portrait, Jets. Michael Estrella, last pop mojo. I picked that guy up on every single one of my fans to the teams. I think he's gonna be incredible this year. He might be this year's Justin Jefferson. Justin Herbert, second year, and Kyler Murray, no helmet. That's box one right there. I think my favorite part was, Chad, Joe told me at the end when we were talking about it.  He's like, that's their buddy up in the Pacific Northwest area. And I was like, oh cool, he goes, yeah, he's gonna fly in just like Matt did that one time. I was like, nice.  He goes, but then afterwards he felt okay with telling her what the cost was. And I was like, well yeah. I was like, hey honey, I know it was actually this much, but look how much this is worth. I was like, it's a good idea. I did, I don't think so, but we're gonna have to double check. Aaron Donald, no helmet. And it's Jesse Tuggle, old school auto for the Falcons. That's 46 out of 50 Atlanta Falcons, Brody Vaughn. That's funny. Yeah, I asked him, as soon as he showed me that card, I was like, was it a straight up spot? He goes, it was. I was like, damn, that's so cool. Herbert Second Year, Kyler Murray, no helmet. That's not too bad. Christian McCaffrey, no helmet. And Xavin Collins, no name for the Cardinals. Will Comstock, that one-a-box short print. Aaron Rodgers, no helmet. Let's get you more than that, Chad. I mean, Brody. Cadarius Tony, Giants, Travis Melberg. And TJ Hawkinson, I cut to 75 for the Lions, Travis Melberg. Jalen Hertz, second year. And Justin Herbert, no helmet. Kellan Mond, portrait. Vikings, Patrick Davis. Fine, it was 3,000, never mind. I thought it was 1,000. I totally forgot. Okay, yeah, it's a little bit of a difference. George Kittle, no helmet. And Jomar Chase, the rookies, Bengals, Derek Gordon. I wasn't doing the math in my head properly. I was thinking 1,000, I was like, that's only half, that's not that bad. Patrick Mahomes, chiefs, no helmet. I mean, I probably haven't told my girl from how much I've spent on certain cards that I'm very happy about, you know. Derek Henry, no helmet. And Matthew Stafford to 500 for the Rams. Will Comstock. Oh, for sure, for sure. Joe Namath, no helmet. Terrell Davis to 299 for the Broncos. Brian Fries, Alvin Kamara, no helmet. And Zach Wilson, rated rookie. Jets, Michael Estrella, last spot mojo. Josh Jacobs, no helmet. And Larry Fitzgerald to 50. Cardinals, Will Comstock. Jonathan Taylor, no helmet. Tutu Atwell to 500 for the Rams, Will Comstock. Prices you buy stuff at are cheaper than what you actually buy it at. Prices you sell it for are legit. Patriots, Tom Brady, Eric Kuziak. I've told her a couple of them, like, in for real, and she's just like, she's like, you're joking, right? I'm like, no. She's like, what are you doing? I do, Chad, yeah, I do. I come in at three. I do Instagram from three until, three until 11, typically, or in midnight. Randy Moss, no huddle for the Vikings. Yeah, I'm Sunday's Mondays on Instagram, so I'll be here. Lamar Jackson, no helmet.  That is 20 out of 25, one off the jersey number. For the Cowboys, Mike Grzynski. Did he have a, okay, cool, nice. Devonte Adams, no helmet. Did Zeke have a turnover yesterday or not? I think I was, I was thinking about betting on him having a turnover or a fumble. Odell Beckham Jr., Browns, Glenn Campbell, no helmet. And Jarvis Landry, Glenn Campbell and the Browns, no name. Wonpur Box hit there. John Elway, no helmet. And Cadarius Tony, press proof, red. Giants, Travis Melbourne, that's box number two. Did we not have an auto in that? Give me a second. Did we not have an auto? No, we did, right? Oh, there you go, yeah. Jesse Tuggle, sorry. I was like, I thought he had one. I was like, why am I only looking at the Ken Anderson auto to my right? Joe doesn't do a lot of collecting, Chad. Joe doesn't do really any collecting. I specifically like, I mean, chargers, angels, those are my two teams, so I collect them. Outside of them, it's pretty much just, it's literally just Rui Hachimura. So like, I'm heavy into Justin Herbert and Rui Hachimura, outside of that, and then Mike Trout and Shohei Otani. And then like, I'll go for like the angels' rookies, so like Joe and Alan, stuff like that. But so like the only one, the only PC I have other than my teams is Rui Hachimura. I love that guy. But Joe's not so much a collector. He's a sports fanatic, you know? The guy knows so much about stats and you know, props and stuff like that. Jalen Ramsey, no helmet. And Tom Brady. Patriots, Eric Kuziak, Devonta Smith, Great Iron Kings, Eagles, Travis Melbert, Larry Fitzgerald, no helmet. And Travis Kelsey to 500 for the Chiefs. Josh Reich, Josh Allen, no helmet. And Tom Brady for the Buccaneers, Matthew Shura. Jalen Waddle, Dolphins. Travis Melberg and Joe Mixon to 50 for the Bengals. And Derek Gordon, Brett Favre, no helmet. Tom Brady, Buccaneers, Matthew Shura. Tyreek Hill, Cheese, Josh Reich, no helmet. Another jet portrait rated rookie. That's pretty much this year's canvas, or it is this year's canvas. So instead of saying canvas on the front, it says portrait on the back now. Tua, second year. No worries, man, we don't need anything. Just, we're all super excited for you. That's all we want. Joan Montana, 49ers, Derek Gordon. We just need you to let us know if you get that jersey number nine. TJ Wattenau helmet, Najee Harris, Steelers, Arthur King, Justin Jefferson, no helmet. Khalil Mack, no helmet. Patrick Mahomes, Cheese, Josh Reich. And Duel Relic, passing the torch. Tony Gonzalez out of 199. And Travis Kelsey, Cheese, Josh Reich. Okay, let's heat up. We got another three boxes after this. So, Vaughn Miller, no helmet for the Broncos. And Nico Collins to 500 for the Texans, Brody Vaughn. Ezekiel Elliott, no helmet. And Kandarius Tony out of 100 for the Giants. Travis Melbourne, Peyton Manning, no helmet. And Najee Harris, the rookies for the Steelers and Arthur King. DeAndre Hopkins, no helmet. And Otto is Nico Collins, the rookies, Otto to 299 for the Texans. And Brody Vaughn. Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs, Josh Reich. Rob Gronkowski, no helmet. And Tom Brady Patriots, Eric Kuzik. And Jamar Chase for the Bengals, D. Gordon. That is Randy Moss, 17 out of 75 for the Vikings, Patrick Davis. Nice, Chad. Henry Rugs, no helmet. And no name for Washington. That is Logan Thomas, Jonathan Arnaldi. Justin Fields, Chicago Bears, Michael Estrella, last spot mojo, elite series rookie. Travis Kelsey, no helmet. And Trey Lance, the rookies, 49ers, Derek Gordon. Tua, no helmet, Dolphins. And Travis Etienne, portrait for the Jaguars, Sean Matik. DK Metcalf, no helmet. And Travis Etienne, Jaguars and Sean Matik. The Neil Hunter to 100 for the Vikings, Patrick Davis. And there you go, that is box number three. Oh, really? I think I have... Brody, I might have something you might be interested in if he's your favorite player. I'm pretty sure I have either, it's either out of 10 or it's a one of one, Tony Gonzalez. I'm pretty sure Falcons, autograph. I'll double check. I wanna say it's Falcons. I can't remember if it's a one of one or if it's an out of three, though. I don't mean out of 10. I remember it was from 2020 Limited Football. If you check out their checklist on Group Break Checklist or Cardboard Connection, it should tell you whether it's a Falcons or if it's a Chiefs. But for some reason I wanna say it's Falcons. But I know at most it's out of 10 because I had opened like a full case of that myself. I pulled a Josh Jacobs one of one RPA printing plate. So it's got like a really cool patch in it on plate auto and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I'll find it and I'll send you a picture. We'll talk about it. You got it, huh? Not gonna miss anything. I'm gonna rip these three boxes and then we'll go through them. I hit you a no-name, no-name short print in that last box for the Washington. Well, there you go. Take your phone to the bathroom with you. You never miss a minute. Biggest card I've ever pulled. I pulled a Lamello NTRPA that was like a ridiculous patch that I think people were saying like at the time when I pulled it, raw they were selling like 50 or 60,000. I pulled like a Cam Reddish Logo Man RPA from the Flawless or National Treasures. One of those first off the line, I wanna say.  I pulled a Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum dual Logo Man, a Joel Embied, Ben Simmons dual Logo Man and a Devin Booker Logo Man all from 2019, 2020, Flawless. All in like a three-day period. It was back to back to back. It was crazy. But honestly, I don't know like dollar for dollar what the biggest one would be. Like I pulled a Topchrome F1 is pretty popular right now. Obviously, Lewis Hamilton's like the Michael Jordan F1 racing. I pulled his number one, the card that everybody wants is the card number one or whatever. I pulled a printing plate, one of one of that. The night that that released, I pulled his orange auto that I think is selling for like, I gotta look now, but I think it's like 35,000 or something like that. And then like the very next, like two days later, I pulled a base auto of his two which sells for a pretty decent chunk. But like, yeah, that was a crazy run. You know what's funny though, Chad? That same, like the second night or the first night it released, right after I pulled like those Logo Man or somewhere in there, I pulled like a seven color patch of a, or like six color patch of a Zion RPA as well from Flawless. Same like night, it was insane. It was lots and lots and lots of good stuff coming out of those that night. Justin Jefferson, no helmet. Brody, could it be? Any guesses on the redemption? You think it's a one of one? Did it say if it's a, if it's Falcons or did they say Chiefs, Brody? Did you see that on the checklist? Yeah, I think it might be a one of one. Khalil Mack, no helmet. No, I didn't go. Not at all. Mahomes for the Chiefs and Josh Reich. Vaughn Miller, no helmet. And no name, Nick Chubb for the Browns, Glenn Campbell, short print, no name. Right Chad? Chad's like, I see a redemption. I assume, Joe Burr. Ezekiel Elliott, no helmet. And Darnell Savage, die cut gold to 25 for the Packers and Mike Krasinski. Peyton Manning, no helmet for the Colts and Callan Mond, Vikings, Patrick Davis. Okay, cool. Deandre Hopkins, I think it probably is. Like I said, I think it is a one of one. Deandre Hopkins, Cardinals, Will Comstock, no helmet. That's the reason I remember it. If it was out of 10, I honestly don't think I would've remembered that I had even pulled that Tony Gonzalez. Larry Fitzgerald, no helmet. Kyle Trask, Buccaneers, Matthew Shura. And Patrick Holmes, Chiefs, Josh Wright. Josh Allen, no helmet. And Tom Brady, Buccaneers, Matthew Shura. Said those were touching the last one time when it was pits, so fingers crossed. Devin McCordy to 75. Patriots, Eric Kuziak. Brett Favre, no helmet. And Calvin Ridley Relic for the Falcons to 349. Brody Vaughn. Devonta Smith, Portrait Eagles. Travis Melbert, got a whole bunch of cards backwards. Joe Montana, no helmet. Tyreek Hill, no helmet, so it's doubled up on those. Another Elijah Moore for the Jets. Michael Estrella, that last spot mojo spot. Let's get something big. Woo, that's pretty nice. Jaguar, Shawn Matic. Rated Rookie Portrait Studio Series to 100. Congrats. Kellan Mondi, Elite Series, Vikings, Patrick Davis. That's the second Lawrence out of 100 from this case. TJ Watno helmet. And Brevin Jordan to 500 for the Texans. Brody Vaughn. Russell Wilson, no helmet. Brady, Patriots, Eric Kuziak. Adam Thielen, no helmet, and Devonta Smith. Again for the Eagles, Travis Melberg. Another Michael Carter, press proof. Rated Rookie for the Jets, Michael Estrella. Taysem Hill, no helmet. And Pat Freyermouth, nice Rookie to 88. For the Steelers, Arthur King. Dak Press, got no helmet. DeAndre Swift, no helmet. And no name of Tyler Wallace, Rated Rookie Raven, Sean Bream. Devonta Smith, Eagles, Travis Melberg. Elite Series Rookie. Jalen Ramsey, no helmet. And Kyle Trask, Buccaneers, Matthew Shura. Okay, let's see what the redemption is. Rookie Phenom Jersey Autographs. So it's a Jersey or Patch Auto. Card number 10. Brody, no. Najee Harris, Steelers, Arthur King. I think number 10 is Pitt in the other set. Pittsburgh Steelers, Najee Harris, second redemption from the case for him. I thought card, cause the card 10 is the redemption and in, is he number nine, Brody? I thought he was 10. Didn't we pull him in one of the other cases? Yeah, the Rookies, he's number 10. And Najee is number nine. So I thought 10, he would be the same for him. That's what I was saying. I thought it was gonna be him again.  Darius Leonard, no helmet. Kellan Mann for the Vikings. Patrick Davidson, I think our auto is right behind there. Ooh, very nice. Gridiron Kings, Rookie Auto. That's number to 49, Travis Etienne. Sean Maddock in the Jaguars. And then you've got the base, non-auto version right behind it. We got Sean, Chase Young, no helmet. Jalen Hurts, no helmet. And no name for the Browns. Odell Beckham Jr., Cleveland Browns, Glenn Tamble. Tom Brady, Buckethears, Matthew Shura. Drew Brees, no helmet. And Ramon Dre Stevenson, the 500 for the Patriots. Eric Kuziak. Joe Burrow, second year. Seyquan Barkley, no helmet. And Jamar Chase, portrait for the Bengals. Derek Gordon. What's up, Matt? How are you, buddy? Happy Friday night. Tom Brady, no helmet. Buckethears, Matthew Shura. Joe Nameth, press proof for the Jets that last spot mojo. Michael Estrella. Tua, no helmet. Tom Brady, Buckethears, Matthew Shura. And Kallen Monded, lead series Vikings, Patrick Davis. Justin Herbert, second year. DK Metcalf, no helmet. And Jabyon Hawkins, rated rookie to 75 for the Falcons, Brody Vaughn. Julio Jones, no helmet. And Quentin Nelson, relic to 2.99. That's Colts, Joe Locus. New guy mojo. Joe Burrow, no helmet. Let's just find you a nice low numbered parallel of him for you to make up for it. Baker Mayfield, no helmet. And Mike Evans to 100. Buckethears, Matthew Shura. Barry Sanders, no helmet. And Quitty Pay to 100 for the Colts. New guy mojo, Joe Locus again. That guy's one of my favorite stories from the draft this year. Zeke, no helmet. And Tom Brady. Buckethears, Matthew Shura. Devonta Smith, Eagles, Travis Melberg. Peyton Manning, no helmet. And Kyle Trask, Buckethears, Matthew Shura. Deandre Hopkins, no helmet. And James Robinson to 500 for the Jaguars. Sean Maddock, Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs, Josh Wright. Gronk, no helmet. And Tom Brady Buckethears, sorry, Patriots Edition. Eric Kuziak, Henry Ruggs, no helmet. And Trey McKitty, no name for the Chargers. Sean Maddock, Travis Kelsey, no helmet. And another Elijah Moore for the Jets. So that's the fifth box. We got one box left, guys. I don't think it has to do with allegations. I think it's him holding out, actually, more than anything at this point. I believe, I don't know why he's not playing, actually, but I think it's because of him. Tom Brady, that is Patriots Eric Kuziak and Zach Wilson, Elite Series Rookie Jets. Michael Estrella, last spot, Mojo. Brett Favre, no helmet. And Travis Etienne, Jaguars, the Rookies, Sean Maddock. Tua, second year. Tyreek Hill, Chiefs, no helmet. And Joey B, second year, out of 25. 16 out of 25. Joe Burrow, Bangles, Derek Orton, very nice. Tom Brady, Buckethears, Matthew Shura. Let's have this be the box that goes over the top. Joe Montana, no helmet. TJ Watt, no helmet. And no name. Patrick Queen for the Ravens and Sean Breen. Patrick Moems, Chiefs, Josh Reich, and Justin Jefferson, no helmet. The Vikings. Check, click the thing. I don't know, let's take a look. I'll be done with this in like, like five to seven minutes at the most, but we can take a look and see what's closest. Khalil Mack, no helmet. See if you or anybody else wants to work on anything. Jamar Chase for the Bangles, Derek Gordon, Elite Series Rookie. Vaughn Miller, no helmet. And Trey Lance for the 49ers, Derek Gordon. That is Des Fitzpatrick to 500 for the Titans and Joe Locust, and Justin Fields, the rookies for the Bears. Michael Estrella. Ezekiel Elliott, no helmet. David's most card for cheat, 100%. Peyton Manning, the 299. Colt Relic, going to Joe Locust. New guy, Mojo. Trey Lance, portrait, 49. 49ers, Derek Long. I'm sorry, Derek Gordon. I don't know where Derek Long came from. Peyton Manning, no helmet. Patrick Wilholms' Chiefs, Josh Reich. Tom Brady, Patriots. Eric Kuziak and Deandre Hopkins, no helmet. Tutu Atwell, rookie, rated rookie, 10 out of 10. Very nice. Black, 10 out of 10 for the Rams and Will Comstock. Rob Gronkowski, no helmet. And T.Y. Hilton to 500. For the Colts, Joe Locust. Michael Carter again for the Jets. I kept telling people, Davis Mills is actually a good value for the hobby, especially for the Texans. He was rumored to be picked at 20 by the Bears before Justin Fields started the drop in the draft. And obviously, he ended up at, you know, Justin Fields ended up at the Bears. So the fact that the Texans got him as late as they did when the Bears were thinking, like, apparently about to draft him at 20, I think that says something pretty good about him. Henry Ruggs, no helmet. And looks like Final Auto's Cornell Powell out of $2.99 for the Chiefs and Josh Reich. Kyle Trask, elite series for the Buccaneers, Matthew Shura. Travis Kelsey, no helmet. Tutu Atakavaloa, no helmet. DK Metcalf, no helmet. And Greg Russo to 100 for the Bills, Eric Kuziak. Julio Jones, no helmet. Joe Burrow, no helmet. That finishes off the break. But remember, no matter how good or bad your teams did in this break, we are also giving away $1,000 in break credit. So that's coming up right now. So let's see who's either going to add that to their hall or use that and make up for the break itself. It was a great case. This was probably the weakest of the six boxes, or like six box breaks. But it was still another solid break there. Another Trevor Lawrence out of 100 in it. We'll do a little recap, and then we'll do the randomizer. I mean, we had a, what's it called? Joe Burrow out of $25 as well. Ezekiel Elliott out of $25. Darnell Savage Jr. out of $25. So Cowboys, Packers, Joe Burrow bangles out of $25. Tutu Atwell rated rookie out of 10, 10 out of 10 for the Rams and Trevor Lawrence. Studio series portrait out of 100 for the Jags. Our autos started off with Ken Anderson out of $25. Jesse Tuggle out of $50 for the Falcons. Ken Anderson, obviously, bangles. Nico Collins to $2.99 for the Texans. Very nice redemption of Najee Harris for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think these are out of $99. I don't remember. Maybe lower. Travis Etienne out of $49. Gridiron Kings, Rookie Otto, and Cornell Powell out of $2.99. Actually, this was another nice six boxes there. Some really good names in those autos. Let's pop back over here, and now we're going to give away that $1,000 in break credit. So remember, every two teams gives you one chance at winning. We're going to copy the customer list over to a new spreadsheet. Alphabetize to figure out how many people have entries. Arthur and Brian, thanks for getting in. Brian as well. Brody, you got one spot. Derek, got a spot. Eric, you got a spot. Glenn, thanks for getting in. Joe, you got one. Maybe we're a computer. I know it's late. Jonathan Arnaldi, you got a spot. Josh, thanks for getting in. Matthew, thanks for getting in. Michael, last spot. Mojo, see if that can get you some break credit as well. Mike Grzinski, Patrick Davis with one. Sean Breen, and Sean Maddock. Travis, you got four, so two spots for you. And Will with one. So there you go. Brody, down to Will. We got 13 in the randomizer. Top two, as it says, $500 each. So copy that list over. Will, back up to Brody. Dice roll, top two names after a five and a five, 10 times. Good luck. 10th and final time. Oh, Michael, last spot, Mojo. 10 times on the randomizer. 10 times on the dice. Last spot, Mojo, gets you $500. And Eric Kuziak as well, $500. There you go, guys. That wraps it up. That was 2021 Panini Don Rust football six box break. Pick a team number six from jaspyscasebreaks.com. I'm Sean, jaspyscasebreaks.com. Thanks for hanging out. We'll see you next time.


okay now we're live check check one two Dennis hi Dennis Dennis is in the house happy Halloween can you hear us okay Dennis Dennis just for you buddy you have any trick-or-treaters it's usually down here you know the vintage tripod that I had back there Dennis has them so when I do Dennis no no we're good there we go I hate when my camera gets broken you guys walking the punk hey buddy we got the air on it's like super I'm just in a stream or you got to set everything up for you yeah thanks Dennis and she can hear us so far we're not we'll get into that because you said that's what she said every time I've lived here that's a first trick-or-treater it's not true because the year before last the church came and gave us candy yeah they were given people candy instead of the trick-or-treaters we had they were cool who's that up and I was like it's trick-or-treaters just for Dennis yeah that's cute I was like oh trick-or-treat time yeah they were cute we got five watching everybody doing candy going trick-or-treat that's cool never take my kids trick-or-treat no it's not like we were kids no yeah that's true but our street has decorated this year a lot so I'm but was kind of hopeful we would get it some yeah well I mean yeah when we were kids man they did just four hours of this nothing but you know oh yeah we would go out and go home and empty and go back out yeah you can have the good zilla bar I know I last is maybe an hour yeah I think a lot of them did it over the weekend too this year because it's on a Tuesday our Halloween was on Halloween I know well this town's gonna have there's this you know it was October 30 character tree now we have soap and windows like this all in good fun and nobody got mad they knew when they came out to go work next morning their windows are gonna be so you know just knew that all in good fun what time you got your trick-or-treating Kenny yeah so that buffering issue was not our internet as a matter of fact no that's why I was still getting messages emails were coming up and stuff it wasn't it was and I showed her we ended the stream came in it still wasn't back on yeah and I said look here's Facebook here's Google here's you know everything was working she looked at it on the phone and now yeah it was it was YouTube's it was YouTube's YouTube's doing everyone here clocks to one neighborhood so all the other neighborhoods get left with tons of candy going at six so yeah so he's gonna be all the parents are so lame yeah I forget what it's like to be a kid we were kids man you know you came home for school you did your homework you tried to bite the came back into supper then you went back out yeah yeah so we're gonna be doing just a little giveaway something different I'm going to be giving away this brand new shiny silver screw just any screw this is a self-tapping screw brand new never used look at that see it's not even pre-stirred out it's perfect addition I'm gonna be giving this away one lucky winner yeah so you know what I guess I got screwed by Shaber actually I'll be giving away actually ended up with two of them didn't yes we actually have one of these in the truck this one identical this this exact one awesome it does not fall down on my window yeah but that's what yeah that's what we're gonna be doing and I got it nice where I can see it really good and this is very versatile and it won't and it doesn't take a lot either this is only been this one hasn't been used no which one we used I just used it in a video but I did do a video on this I think I did on the one that I used to I've had that on there for a while since we've since I got it when I did the you on this thing I can't remember but it's been a while back spend a year or two ago so this time you're going to get a choice and she's like yep that's right don't even know he's going with the flow I think we're gonna give away for your or my personal my personal I mean come on it's not a real actual there's motion at the front door I must gone to go but so you can either get that or this this my personal one this is one how about my backpack so we must have trick-or-treaters let's see that's that's them at the front door right now through the ring camera so and the other kids the first kids that came they must have been we must in the first stop so I showed them my head you guys on them on right greets everybody I'm going to be and you can say it this is my ass you may have heard of him I will give him about we'll give it until 8 30 5 30 can he's time and then we'll do because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be on long I want to I want to watch some scary stuff so pretty much a regular night so give about more minutes maybe we should start now because I gotta tell I'm gonna what I'm gonna do guys I'm gonna tell two stories one's gonna be true one's gonna be total bullshit I will make it up as I'm sitting here you don't know so just me well she she knows what we're doing hey Mark's adventure I didn't see him pop up dinner pay attention lady it wants to win Bruno's 10th that's what I'm gonna do I'll tell two stories one's gonna be true I'm not gonna tell you which one I'm not you know this is gonna be random so we'll tell the you gotta do that now and then what you guys in the comments tell me which one you think is true and what we'll do is after I tell the story and I'll say go and now whoever gets whoever writes on here which one is whoever's right on which one was the true story will win their choice of my personal out of my backpack knife now I have plenty of these I sell but I mean it's it's used to get it's been used a couple times but it's not worn out or anything but I wanted to give you the actually belong to me because I'm famous and that means no but it is because you know that was more expensive it's this was my personal one well first got them knives I've got it in my other backpack so you're not taking away my stuff so don't feel like that because I do have another one I've already replaced it in there but this was my personal I he said he's he says famous so that'll be a choice all right let's okay let's see we got five warts and that's plenty because not like we ever have like 4200,000 gazillion billion no I I want the chef's they bear hat to mark mark's adventure yeah oh Dennis wants to know you'll have your name on it having up no I will not sign it but I will leave a note if somebody chooses well whichever one it doesn't matter all you guys know dinner that 40 that's how famous I'm gonna do it was much he was my chef's it's dirty because it keeps up on top of the fridge she's keeping a drawer now I start putting it on top of the fridge and now it's dusty oh so for the winter though here here's what I gotta do real quick I have to let me see okay now the winner will email me their information to this email address marks adventure email me your address I'll send you must be a bear hat my chef's a bear hat he likes it okay so anyway story number one so thanks Kenny and it says you have my address yeah I already do I already do can't get a whole couple people one because I try to be you know friends with that all right so first story this was back in let me see this was back in with that man probably around 1992 yes I am serious so email me your address so back in about 1992 I think it was in my state there's a bornsville so bornsville because I live there and largeville high up they actually have a big pumpkin festival let's see here he was born but they have a big giant pumpkin festival here it's freaking awesome so you guys ever go through higher on that time but bornsville so it's just it's it's not a huge town it's just it's red and actually it's a redneck city I mean it's really cool people are so nice there but doesn't it bear I went down there for a weekend for a couple days to help him work on his car yeah 1974 LTV and it was blue and had a 289 Ford we ate it and so when we went down doesn't tune up on it you know couple bolt-on things get a little more power yeah so Saturday night you know we got a run Saturday we drove down to the creek that was the car wash you actually drove your car into this creek and you would wash your car and everybody wash your cars took now wash it up so we went cruising cruising main drag get a couple of clubs you know a great time and so we cruise in some back roads and we come across this one back road and I wanted to see some places where he hunted because even hunting season was just a month or two away he said well I'll show you where I go so he says it ends way back he says I think we can get the car through it should be alright because try buddy when you come hunting you probably want to bring a truck so I said alright so we're going through and we're going real easy because kind of it wasn't really a road as much as it was I mean it had a road name but it kind of dead ended and it was end of maintenance kind of do that some places in Ohio where like down here they do the same thing it's road but it'll tell you no maintenance like where we go camping at that road that way so we come back in there and all once there there was this these headlights behind this is big bright headlights couldn't really tell what it was whatever that thing what it was a truck but I mean I can tell what kind or anything like that and these lights and he was on our bumper so I couldn't really see because he had it was real great and this thing was loud and it sounded hot you know this thing was cool and we can only go so fast because you know the car was dragging we were getting in ruts and this truck was right behind us all the once he came around us but flying just right past us man kind of almost run us off into a little ditch but because he's driving he got us out of it so that's alright he says it's okay Marty because we're gonna catch him up here because it dead ends so you know we've seen the tail lights just disappear and he says that's where it dead ends at let's go so we get up there and we come around this little turn where it is kind of like a turn around spot and people go there and party and stuff too and so when we got up there at that truck was was not there only one way in one way out that truck was not there so we get out and we was looking for signs of this truck anywhere because where he had to go there was only like just very narrow spaces through some trees you could probably fit a truck through but as fast he was going you couldn't do it I mean you would hit a tree but you could snake your way through there in a truck if you wanted to but there was no no tire tracks or nothing the truck had disappeared this thing was blacked out and on what kind of truck was and went by so fast and it was a lot of thing I've ever heard in my life but when we got up there that truck was gone so my cousin he he he don't like that kind of stuff he was like let's go he fight anybody he don't care but when stuff like that happened no we're out of here we're gone we're good to main drag again so that's what we did but that truck was gone that story number one so all right now that was story number one story number two hello about let me see three or four years ago maybe in her actually we went to where we go you know we're a car lights were shining but so we was we was in we went to we went to the beach and it's yeah about there four years ago into a beach somewhere a family came down with and they rented a condom for a month or so and they came out to Canada so we went to the beach to visit them well we spent the night there and they took us to several different places we actually went to a new beach and but it was anywhere but it was too cold and so there wasn't nobody out but but it's actually a new beach so this is over on East Coast so we went to this places where tourists go and take pictures stuff and there's boardwalks and stuff you go back and these time grows we came to this one spot that was on the water and there was all kinds of seashells there and we're picking up these days how about we're really cool we got a nice bag full up we get back to the truck and we can get in the truck and it was right now so it was and hurrying uncle said man you know you're not gonna love to pick up any shells here cuz you know that's historic they don't want you taking any shells away a monkey's like well it's just a few shells and they're real serious about this you don't want to take any shells don't worry about it so we was coming home later that night it was late it was like oh I haven't gone 12 o'clock we're coming through the small town all at once red and blue lights behind us so she starts pulling over and they're hitting sirens whoop whoop whoop and you know what I'm pretty much beside us and slid sideways and one coming right up this closed or front bumper we were boxed in couldn't go nowhere I immediately put my hands out the window you know they're on the PA driver shut shut the vehicle off and all this you know and so you know there she shuts the truck off and we got our hands up and they walk up they walk up to my side and her side you know and I already had my window down for her or one day so she broke her window down and there was like you know how we stopped I was like hey man I didn't know you guys really took your seashells this seriously so yeah that that was so what happened after that was kind of kind of strange in a way but we can't go into that so that's story number two so we got story number one and story number two now for you guys the first one to pop up over here on my thing right here well when their choice of one of these items so I want to say because you know remember we got a delay you guys are like 10 seconds after me so right now the first person to pop up with as soon as I say go with the right answer will win their choice of these two prizes so alright let's go now we've got two answers down here yeah Dennis you got it I trick those two I can't believe I took those two hey I quit Mike how you doing Halloween Halloween Mike I quit Mike you guys need to check him out yeah he's got an awesome channel man we actually met out where we go camping yeah Dennis you want the second one is true the first one I totally made that up although I did spend some time in Margeville Ohio with my cousin a few times but that story was technically just all fabricated now the real story the story number two is true and that really happened but they said listen we're going to get you guys on your way as long as everything checks out we have we had we're looking for for male and female female driving and a little silver truck we don't know what kind of truck but that's all we know so sit tight and no more she say that came back on the radio said no that's not the truck and she said we're so sorry about this but we have to do what we have to do because we really want to find these but that was funny because yeah before she even but yeah that's that's really what they did and she come up she come up and my heart because I didn't want to put your heart down as she is he's been through this routine before because for we who got him stuck he had his hands up and I can't you know what I and I heard the I knew him but I didn't know him you know and I'm like I didn't want to do that I didn't do anything and she said driver and they said it was the seashells that's why they stopped oh my god I'm going to jail this is like boy they take your seashells really what you had nothing to do with it they were just looking for male female and a little silver truck but like I said but as soon as I said shut the truck off put your hands up the window I ain't doing nothing driver shut the truck off put your hands out the window this was less than a minute they they immediately were so sorry but we've really got to try to catch these people that was a true story they was real professional believe it or not I wish all options like that yeah yeah I mean they had us and but I mean no more than that and they was like you guys be careful again we're sorry I said that's fine because if it was they were looking for somebody it's done something to be her loved one I want them to try to catch so yeah so yeah Dennis got that one I'm surprised she was creepers I thought they all would have said and a melon along the road to the railway to the railway river yeah I did yeah like I did we did a several years back a filming location yeah so yeah that's a couple years ago yeah we did a filming at least I still get that yes mark remember email me and I'll send you that hat you want me to sign it I'll sign it on the inside or whatever you want no no because I knew I didn't do anything wrong I just saw you know they were going to pull the you know you need the ID and everything which technically in something like in a case like that I would have had the ID because I was technically suspected but they immediately came back no that's not the truck they were looking for just the regular the regular cabs over truck so fast it came from nowhere yeah I mean it was just tired squealing oh my god all these blue lights red and blue yeah that but yeah second second story is true now I do have some true stories about being with my cousin and barn but I'll have to tell there's some time I'll do I'll say those for like my campouts but yeah Mike we have we did the Jeepers creepers filming location yeah that's pretty cool it was fun what I'm not far from where we go all day to do it yeah because we was all over the place yeah we had to go down course we was in Da Nellin and we was in Hukala and we was out here on the 44th they had that restaurant well it's not a restaurant anymore yeah it's a golf court place yeah yeah that's where the restaurant was okay all right buddy oh Dennis what do you want do you want the phone the phone holder or the knife which one do you want yes son okay where do you want me to sign it at oh hike with Mike if if you ever want to get a hold of me for anything you use the email that's on the screen there the phone holder Dennis wants a phone holder all right this is it here it's a suction cup goes on your window make a suggestion there's a piece of plastic on the rubber suction cup because one of the reasons why ours is still on our winch bill because we took the plastic on there and it's kind of like a guru but all right so this is going I know where you live I drive oh that's right he can just okay this is guard Mike he's seen me out there one day but you guys need to you know he's that playlist of mellow minutes almost that help inspire his life and stuff very cool and he goes to some spooky places to where bigfoot supposed to be in a scary place actually just ran into him one day at pots preserved preserved we started talking to him and we asked him if he's like you stay on this side you'll be all right they're up there and plus he gave us some orange for us to put on yes that way she wouldn't get shot he didn't care if she ever got shot but I have I have a video on there where I first mentioned that video that we were going what was we doing anyway we're back in there we hike back and remember what I mentioned yeah I think we were going to go to the cabin in pots preserved yeah I mentioned that video cuz he was like at that time I was working then we went together yeah yeah I went by myself and again I got back in there that's where that's what we're yeah yeah okay so so I'll get this stuff sent out okay I've got Dennis and I've got Mark's adventures here so cool you guys take care of yeah we'll get we'll get this sent out to you this week and the chef hat this week he's always always mentioned that I like to have ever since day one I don't tell you what Kenny you were the first to make that comment you were wrong but you were the first send your address I'll give you the knife how's that everybody gets something there you go they're getting prices my pockets are getting lighter okay you want me to wash your first reduce you want to shave their sweat I think I watched yeah yeah yeah on the on the email there and I'll get these things out to you guys and like I said this was this my personal one from out of my backpack like I said I've got probably 10 or 12 more of these that are brand new but this one I've actually used out in the field so this is out of my own pack like I said I have replaced it with a new one but this one has been used several times from I guess I'll use that shipping company the one he has the other part so you guys I will email you guys when these are shipped because you guys stuff up to the grand boys okay the grand boys their birthday Christmas I'll do theirs okay but so she's gonna send some stuff out anyway through UPS we'll just go ahead and send this stuff and I'll give you guys a tracking number you just keep an eye on it yep let me see yeah yeah all right okay listen guys I know Kenny you guys ready to go hike with Mike thanks for joining me stop by anyone you want that's a lot outside I'm on the door below the man and Kenny Dennis adventures I'm gonna send this hole yeah I'm gonna wash the hat for I know you're in the USA I'll get the hat washed up and I'll get that sent out Dennis and I can't wait to talk to you guys and hike with Mike if you ever want to stop by I'll give you something to give you some words of wisdom and that will be never listen to my words whatever I say you'll be just fine old buddy Dennis you're something else buddy listen thanks for everybody for joining in and I'll get these prizes gifts whatever amount you guys this week so thank you thanks for watching hey Mike stay safe out there in the woods buddy appreciate it and thanks for all your long time look forward to more of it and let's get everybody in the next one it's two more videos thanks for everyone who appreciate it my happy Halloween everyone stay safe we'll see you next one Shay bear the mental man a little for now we'll see you guys take care


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