Okay, so I'll call the meeting back to order and now we're in the town office meeting room and It is now 635 so first on the agenda with the Comments who wants to go first? Oh I just said who wants to go first so this is Okay, I guess I'm here because I sent you guys a letter About possible the potential ATV ordinance that you're talking about and just want to make sure that you got it and Have you read it? And so I think that says everything that I Think I feel very strongly that you should not allow ATVs on any roads in more town. I won't go into a lot of detail But it's as far as I'm concerned it's totally incompatible with our town plan and it's not compatible with motor vehicle safety So I think my letter that I sent says it all That to be in your records So I should just copy those letters Where they in our packet Okay You know, I'd like to talk more about it like you know, if you have it down in his own business I would like to discuss it more If that's fine Okay, yeah Yeah, we definitely Nice old business panting sewing it's up. It's entirely up you. Yeah, but if Joe if Joe gabbery is not coming then we have Yeah, some extra time. Okay Now with the the For the ATV ordinance, that's just under old business pending, but it's it's not on the actual agenda See what happens to the whole business is we we go down to the what's what's basically Meeting after meeting after meeting it's the same old business. It's there Just to see if there's any updates on and I know that Both Cali and Ray were doing some other work on the ordinance since our last meeting so So let's just let's just talk about it now since you're all everybody's here. Yeah Really, what are you folks thinking I'm kind of in shock actually Yeah Yeah The state had it as I understand that ATVs could be on Class four robes and that's how it was. It was a state Rule the town had in essence allowed that and the state has since Changed Where they are how they are doing that so it became basically the town putting in an ordinance for them to do that We feel like an ordinance would Go when you when you set up the ordinance, you're gonna have to post On the road that ATVs can come here and that's going to cause more time So that the Increase tax on the road would have an adverse impact on I think we need to really stress here though I think you're misinterpreting state law And the reason the state and I think I say it in my letter It was badly yet. It was a badly edited state law a lot of organizations disagree with that Interpret the interpretation of bassa that you could be on class for because they're not plowed the intent of the law really from the beginning was to keep ATVs out of regular traffic So to say you can ride on a class for on plowed road Any time a year doesn't keep them out of traffic. They're not safe on public roads They're not meant to be they weren't designed to manufacture to be on public roads with regular traffic So you can't say that you could drive on those class for roads during the summer time With all the other traffic that's on the road and say that that was legal in the past and never was So there's no reason to go actually make it we go now By the town so right now any vehicle as long as it is registered and inspected can go from Lynch Hill to Heron Brook Any vehicle as long as you have a registration You got a plate and you have a sticker any vehicle can do that on the class for as long as you're registered and inspected So If we're talking about safety Knowing how wide that road is and all the blind corners on that road. I would honestly be more concerned about getting Meeting up with a truck with 37 inch tires and 78 inch lift in it then I would potentially in the TV Exactly, and that's a majority of the problem up there is the trucks destroying Private property. I think that's another whole issue So I think the thing with the ATV's right now, they aren't legal. They've never been legal in Traffic, they're really meant to be on public property and I cited in the letter The ATV Manufacturers Association says they should never be on public roads They're meant for private property They're designed a manufacturer for Out of regular traffic, they don't need federal motor vehicle standards So I think the whole issue with all of the other problems that are out there is kind of different and What we really don't want is like I said before there was an ordinance in the past To open the roads to ATV's and it was a nightmare Callie you are living there. So you missed it But it I was a member. We never did sign the ordinance. Yeah, it was like a Temporary we talked about it. Yeah, we never passed an ordinance So but everybody so you didn't even have to pass it and everybody believed that we're down open those roads And it created a huge amount of traffic. It put us on the map. It didn't but that was But the map came out prematurely. It was not something that was authorized or by the sun but Let me kind of state where I'm coming from on this. Okay, because Where are the I see I see all the ATV's I see as many as you I'm sure Yeah, and My problem is I see unregistered uninsured Unhelmeted people going by my house all the time. Yeah, and my feeling is The only way we're going to get any type of control on this is to pass an ordinance and with some bite to it that will that we can enforce it and and Keep myself and people that want to legally ride these roads Out there, you know, I feel as a citizen as a taxpayer in more town These won't be these classical roads and trails are part mine like yours and if I want to ride an ATV on them Respectively, I should be able to do that and there there are a lot of people Residents in our neighborhood our group that that drive like I do respectfully and I don't think we need to break the law to do that and I'm trying to Work out some sort of solution to that Running people off the road To get control of that what we need is law enforcement Well, that's it if we can And this is an early stage of this if we can get a license fee or some fees from the people that want to use these roads to Offset the cost of the You know the regulation Yeah Fountain it's a timber company I think one thing that we should lose in this is that and maybe the word ATV ordinance was the wrong Word at this early stage. I think what Ray and tally when they start we started talking about it Coming out of COVID into the summer is they've been trying to just work on and do some brainstorming Yes on how to how to deal with this issue or this item So no, it's not there's nothing in stone Yeah, no, I mean, I think this is the beginning of you know, yes some community engagement to talk about, you know, how this can be I mean, I I'm not you know, I'm not personally an ATV user. So, you know, I don't know anything about it But I know that we do have an issue. So it's good to try to work on In red your comment was we didn't even make the ordinance and they put it on the map What that is saying is if you're making some sort of ordinance, you're putting it on the map and you're going to track people So so unless you have you want to make an ordinance with bite, that's great But I don't know where the bike's gonna come because the town has no teeth Okay, we've been guilty of this for as long as I've lived there Over 10 years and we've never been we call you've got state police coming to meetings and saying We're not coming out there. We're not gonna enforce it. The town will provide any money for enforcement I call up the state police and I say there's like three or four dirt bikes out here racing up and down the street It's dangerous.  Yeah, there has not been an ATV fatality on that road And I know there hasn't because I called the state police today and I had them check And they stated that there was no fatality When It's brought what's brought people out there to be racing on the road whether it's an ATV a dirt bike Munch rock anything else is that there's no law enforcement And the ATV had a meeting I think it was about eight ten years ago. We had a meeting about all that was going on and The state trooper the lieutenant from the barracks head of the barracks stands up in the meeting and tells everybody publicly We are not coming out there. We're not going to force anything So that's another issue. So it isn't that there's deaths by ATVs It's the kind of behavior that's out there that there's no law enforcement and we haven't seen it and there have there's been There's been two deaths of another one was a kid with a skull fracture And it's people coming out there because there's no law enforcement and they know it So you have an ordinance that says come on out You're going to buy more people out there It will be open to anybody with an ATV Potentially or what people will hear is more time is open open its roads to ATVs and they don't read the rest of the ordinance Then I'm going to read the rest of it. They're just going to call and what was also stated previously was is In teaming up what the state police recommended was teaming up with Vassa because with Vassa Comes their own enforcement by a game working though, which can do that Yeah And then all sorts of subsidiary All right Vassa works fine on private trails They probably do a good job taking care of the Vassa trails on private property because ultimately If a landowner doesn't know what doesn't like what's going on There's bad behavior Close down overnight the town's not gonna be able to do that You're not going to be able to control that and I really don't think the town should succeed Their authority to a private organization that actually has a conflict of interest I also don't think you should be in doing anything to encourage Increased traffic in the preserve especially I mean on any more town road But especially in the preserve district it's been preserved Like I said before we even moved here and part of the preserve is discouraged development Increased traffic is a big impact from development. It's a developmental impact Without building a structure. So I don't know why you want We have preserved zone to protect the environment To protect a peaceful environment for the people who live there Why would you create a situation where you're going to invite? ATV traffic dirt bike traffic and along with them ends up coming even more mutters Have you read their ad though It doesn't matter It does matter because in their ad they are blatantly encouraging log traffic They are saying that road is open to any logging traffic That's the point so logging traffic is okay Logging traffic is a traditional use in Vermont. It's always been okay to be locked off to lock That road has always been open to lock That's too pretty respectful When the lawyers when they're driving most of them, not all of them, most of them have been very respectful in years They don't drive when the kids are on the road They stop, they stop by your place and wait You're talking about the law here They were regulated for erosion They were actually blocking the road and accepting penalties To see to see what I'm going in there and ruining the road for the bigger tracks for their log traffic So for all the talking about safety on the road, let's talk about pedestrian traffic. I walk my dog I'm herring for food every morning and typically every afternoon. I have almost been hit Multiple times by multiple different people on that road Multiple times if we want to talk about safety on the road There was a person riding her horse on wordbrook who was hit by a vehicle in the corners, so and we're not talking about any other traffic besides people driving on the road Right, so why increase? We should not be increasing traffic I'm more worried about getting hit by somebody driving to work in the morning walking my dog on the Herringbrook Than I am about getting hit by someone on their ATV And the ATV is statistically the most dangerous vehicle on the road That's just, statistically they aren't designed for safety and speed on a hard taxi for a minute Road cars have safety regulations that they have to meet ATVs don't meet them for the conditions that you find on a hard taxi What if someone were to come to you and say You know, we have a way of basically slowing down the amount of ATV use And damages and so on and so forth Is that something to be in favor of? No, I don't believe it. Nobody's done anything for the past Oh that's because we've never had anything at all I mean, with anything that's pros and cons And right now it's a bad situation So what we want to do is if in fact An ordinance does come to pass What we want to do is to make sure that it's designed So that we reduce the amount of misuse And I think that's what Ray and Callie have been working on I would suggest that before you do anything to say allow for out there There's plenty of state law already that ought to just be enforced If you don't need an ordinance to have a certified law enforcement officer Go out there and ticket people for not being registered Excuse me, registered and you're supposed to carry insurance Then get some law enforcement time out there And start ticketing people for no registration and lack of insurance And if we call If I call up and say there's a couple of dirt bikes out here Racing back and forth on the road Can you come? Somebody's gotta come out I think if you need to have a presence out there So people realize the bad actors realize You can't do this out here And we will watch And I think before you ever even think about opening up the road And maybe doing something We need to see the enforcement out there happening now It has to be part of it It would have to be part of the ordinance You decided two years but we're not going to budge it for that anymore You guys thought you were on your own over there And then you take the budget away and you're overwhelmed with all this traffic And I still have to go back to The town plan has almost half this town is preserved to protect it And you're talking about passing an ordinance That's going to create a pretty big development impact On that area And you're thinking of like Thinking maybe it's not development because nobody's building anything But the effect is Without even building anything You could have a huge impact on the environment over there By bringing in crowds of ATVs on the weekends That's why I disagree that there will be more crowds What I'm seeing now is a lot of friends Of friends like the center of my area I think coming up to this loop I mean the loop is seven miles It's not that great a trade I mean true ATVers want to go 50 miles Make a big loop There's a long route There's a long route There's a loop Which is a long route Then there's a long route Which is a long route But we saw the last time It was like some kind of interim It didn't really get passed We had people coming from Rutland Coming all the way from Rutland With several vehicles And they destroyed the trail through our property To respond to your question I'd be interested in what kind of process With community involvement The ordinance would go through Because our impressions from the My impressions from the minutes Is that it would kind of be What about here And kind of become To get more input Yeah, but we haven't gotten to that yet Well, I was hoping that At least get this discussion going And perhaps at town me And we can even have a non-binding referendum Whatever a vote To see how much interest there is And if it's true The more town residents really don't want this In any way Then I'm fine with that And I think, again I'm only doing this Because I see a real problem With people going by my house And somebody's going to get hurt Right on Jones Brook Road The first thing to do to take care of that Is to get a law enforcement Like you said You can call down there But what am I going to say There's no place to report I don't know who these people are I have tried to follow some In my truck at night time And they're gone I have no We have tried to buy a motorcycle To the wheelie from my house All the way down to Wardbrook Right So it's like allowing A law firm position is Just allowing and putting it out to the public Come on down Is going to make that worse Yeah, that's not the You've got to I've got to sell the law enforcement first I disagree that being someone Who's ridden on Bassa trails Most of the people who ride on those trails Again, that's race that they want to be Over in Northfield with the Miles and miles of trails Systems that are out there That's where they want to be And the people who you are attracting Are the people who are taking their kids out In their side by side They're being respectful They're following everything The people who are with Bassa are I've ridden Bassa trails in Northfield And in Sheffield The issue of Bassa trails And the opening of public roads to Bassa Are two different issues And I think Washington would love to have Access to the oil trails Through more kind of industry On public roads We should not be turning public roads Over to a private organization Public property It's not public property It's a public right of way And it's a right of way Right of way through our property So you're turning over It's almost like you're turning some of the Supervision or whatever of that property Which is really ours You've got to ride away You're turning that over To a private organization Who has a conflict of interest With actually the property owner's interest That may be in the town interest Bassa wouldn't really be able to do anything Off of Haringbrook anyway Because that is owned by Bountain tonight Can say with pretty confidence That Bountain would not allow that So it would literally just be the road Why were you saying to bring Bassa in to do It was suggested by the state police To connect with Bassa Because they have that opportunity They have some of the connections They can make different connections There are other ways Instead of going that way There are other ways to go You should be turning public rights Of the way over to a private organization And Bassa's far from It's interested in giving you advice Yeah They want access to your road It's the farst option Because the state police said that Bassa was dead Bassa can't connect with anything In more town anyway Because to get from more town To the Bassa trails in Northfield You have to go through the winery And the winery said no So Bassa really doesn't want anything to do with us But they could be a resource In helping with some of those I thought they said they could help with enforcement The Bassa And they have enforcement on their trails I don't know what they do for enforcement What's good about Bassa on private property Is that a private landlord can They won't come to stop itself It stops the next day When it's public road Once they have access If something untoward happens Or you want to change your money It would take years We won't get it back It took a long time to have it Actually kind of tamped down a little bit What you really need is enforcement The problem that's out there now Needs enforcement Whether it's the state or the town Somebody has to come up with the money And that's all the enforcement I agree with you I think we all agree with that So we could budget money to hire a sheriff To get up there But will they do it? We could budget all the money we want But if they say they don't have the money They don't have the people I think it really is We should have one of our legislators here But it's becoming more of I don't think it should really be on the town Because we have people coming out We have people coming from other towns So you've got a population in this town I'm not sure how many Paying the taxes And now we have to provide Law enforcement for people Coming from Montpelier, Berry, Lordfield or wherever And cover their bad behavior And how much are they coming to Morton? I don't know if you see these people But how much are they coming to Morton? Because there is no law enforcement here There's no on-the-vacid trails Because they don't want to behave They want the facetrail So they come where they don't have to be paid Because there is no law enforcement But Morton's not the only town Then Morton's not the only town And I think other states They actually have more of a county government Where I'm not sure maybe They run things toward a county level That's what Vermont needs to think differently About how they provide law enforcement overall They're not moving to individual small towns And it should be at a higher level Everything in your letters Everything that you're saying We agree with it But we're looking at Different possibilities For how are we going to fix this problem And we've been discussing about law enforcement Not just for ATVs But for everybody It's just a terrible problem What happened in the past Is we did have somebody And we basically had a sheriff Ten hours a week under contract And we ended up losing money on it We were paying out more to hire them Than any fees that they were collecting And it's even worse now And it's worse with the state police What do you see as the problem? The problem in terms of You're saying the problem is worse now I think they're understaffed They're understaffed I'm talking about the sheriff department They're understaffed Same at the state police You think they were understaffed before COVID But they got worse because of COVID As far as the amount of staff they could lose But it seems like this is the only problem It was understaffed even before that I think I even called them during COVID So before that I could call We'll put it in the database But we're not going to be out there It's just terrible It's like they only come out for a dead body It's the only time I've ever seen the state police out there Not quite sure I've seen plenty of them So maybe they're on jobs I've seen them once or twice I rarely see them And that's what I feel like They're not going to respond until I call them up Because they've got another death Life was on my hands So what was the guy They were doing the same thing With the motorcycle in the truck And I called them a week I called them a month later To turn out people were the same guys You're kidding The state police came It's the only time I've seen them So I think it's just This is just a The beginning of a discussion There's no Nothing in Nothing's been decided I think it's different From the same topic A few years ago One of the culverts walked out And it was just past Bob Ray's place Those culverts walked out And there was no traffic For like Three months And then they fixed the culvert Even if there was just One beat on the road It's a race track One beat Would make it so that Everybody has access to the property And it's not a loop It was amazing It was like three months, one summer When the culvert was out And I thought About the gate several times I don't think It would work because I think Eventually people would turn us around You have to find a way to Make more of a question After seeing Some of the Things that go on We've talked about even gating From December During my season particularly May 1st or whatever I don't think That's completely possible It's a lot to consider When you put it on the gate There is a town road People like to use them Who do you stop One gator One gator That's your job One gator would do the trick Of closing the loop While still having access To the entire road It's not I believe that's Just past green What about culvert? They had the rocks there I mean that Whenever they put the big rocks there To Because there was so much damage When they were actually logging in there And I believe that I would work in terms of People going up I thought up around the loop Isn't that true, right? People put the cinder blocks out They put the cinder blocks out It was an observation That one summer It was like 10 years ago That it was like quiet What's going on? What a difference There's obviously a lot more That we've got to discuss Let's really appreciate you It was really good I was glad to see those letters Because we definitely want Input from Dallas people And so We're just going to keep Talking about it You're absolutely right We've got to address With some type of law enforcement Everything, all of our roads Trails and so on And we've just got to do this We appreciate how difficult Your job is as a select one And we appreciate that Oh, this is the easiest part Look how long I've been doing it What's so easy? It's just a little I think it just gets A little difficult as someone Who tries to be responsible Tries to do things I mean, I know Deb, I've stopped for you Before And we've had a conversation You know, with someone who's trying To be as responsible And just Going through Because I mean, I have horses I've done a lot I know what it's like I know the common sense stuff to do And I think for those of us Who are trying to be responsible And do the right thing That we may not do it 100% of the time You know Those trying, it's frustrated And get classified in with the people who Are far from us I understand we're not classifying you by then I mean, I'll talk to you later I don't want to I'd like to talk to you later I want to camera But We know who the same People are and who they're really respectful I mean, too, I can tell you I could probably But we also know that When you open up that camera the last time and that's why I'm so kind of emotional about it. We went through it the last time and then lived through you know finding the kid in the road and dealing with that and it didn't have to happen if it wasn't you know the wild wild west out there that never we wouldn't have happened and then seeing that it could happen again for the behavior that's going on out there so I really feel strongly that if you open it up again people will come from everywhere they're going to come from other states so I went to Berlin New Hampshire is what people often talk about for the web if you want to migrate to B you should go to Berlin New Hampshire yeah so I went to the Berlin New Hampshire web their town website and on the banner of more towns website they have a picture of the church in the river during the autumn when New Hampshire has an ATV in the middle of the park we don't want that in the preserve that stuff we have more town residents who I've talked to who have said like we go to New Hampshire just because at that point their kids were able to ride which they are not in the state of Vermont which I'm perfectly fine if you're under 16 whatever but that's where they went because they had trails they paid their registration to New Hampshire and they trail were over there make a weekend out of it okay well anyway we're all on the same team and we want to work together and so any input you know that you want to give it any time please feel free to do it we really appreciate it but as you develop as the ordinance gets developed having an idea of what that is going to look like through yeah certainly well are you just going to have do you have a process for what you're doing or are you just we're just talking about it right now so when you develop that it's such a hot button topic I think you need to have some kind of working group right and that's yeah that's pretty much what we've been well as you know everything we've been doing in town we do have committees and so it would be the same thing here yeah we haven't really we've talked about it count and I've talked about it and we're just not feeling things out we really haven't got to the committee stage yet but you know maybe that is the next step you know is this the only this is really the only area in town where there's ATV use as far as we know I'd say it's the biggest is where the biggest wouldn't you say I don't know is what I'm just guessing a lot of trash we get on a road it's from uh Barry it's from Barry yeah except from a lot yeah because if you go by my house and you go straight you will end up in it's not a great road you've never been outside you've never been outside of work out what's that you've never been outside of work out on a chase road there and come into Riverton I of course I've been there okay I don't want to work down that much so I stay here all the time I guess that's to come in I'm writing the letters really appreciate it fine great see us Dave you have something for public comment okay so Joe's not coming in um the garage won't why don't we why don't we skip down to town hall if that's okay yeah that's all right okay so okay now that's that's your bill well I thought that there would be some more folks here from the committee but Kyle around here to hold before it basically we just wanted to give the board an update because we wanted to have some community engagement at more fest and so we originally thought we would do something actually at the town hall as well as more fast but we decided that it would just be a more fest because people aren't going to want to go over to the town hall I mean there's only a short window of time there and so rather than what we thought is in the future we would have some we could do some layout and show people what some I'm going to get into that in a minute about what some of the things that need to happen and possibilities and invite all the various committees in town and invite towns people to come and see some physical marks on the floor and this elders making some posters to show some design stuff so that's one of the updates that we're trying to have that sort of some some boards and some an area at the more fast where people can come and hear what's going on and also give some input or some thoughts of what they would like to see or whatever this is nothing to certainly in stone the other update to to let you know about is that one by hiring Bill Gallup who did the ABA life safety assessment if we just do that and we don't do anything per se with the library you know going forward he his and I don't know if anybody's had a chance to review what I sent you that he the documents he created but basically the building the present lift does not meet ADA code so Bill came up with an idea a design idea that we're going to show at more fast and try to you know would be incorporated into future use of the town hall again this would be just to use the town hall and the library is again another part of that I mean it's important so anyways there's a lift that would be from the basement access from around back I mean I won't take the time we could roll through the drawings right now but again I encourage you to look at that and then that lift which we're going to show what this will be in the display that lift goes to the first floor and then it goes to the stage so then that what that lift is doing is eliminating the need that we spent a lot of time thinking about all they needed to be a ramp to get up to the stage and how much room would that ramp take and the seating for parties and meetings and alike and such so that was so that was one of the things that are identified that we could do these are the things to keep our town hall so that we are ready for 2034 I believe it is when it's 200 years old so we need to we don't have that much time 2034 is going to be here soon for the 200th birthday the other thing is that we'll need to really do the water is still coming into the basement the thing by the side door with the grate and everything I mean Martin's cleaning that up three or four times a summer so part of the the the town hall project would be hiring an engineer and really doing a mitigation on how we can deal with the water in the basement so it would be the lift the mitigation there's some firecoat items for the ceiling in the basement there's some exit hardware that needs to be done and and then again just the basic building maintenance so that's just part a phase would be just that's the given the library goes somewhere else okay then what we're also going to show is how the library could look in the town hall how it could function moving forward in years to come you know so that's part of that display would be and then just another side little thing is that we we were also thinking that we would need a fire protection sprinkler system but and I don't I won't break that letter out but we don't need one as long as we work on a few other firecoat issues in the basement in terms of the ceiling and separation but based on the number of people that occupy the building we wouldn't need to add sprinkler system which is pretty good although we might want to if we invest money into and wanting our building to make it to not only 2035 but make it to 2135 I mean without you know we saw what happened to the church in Middlesex so we might want to consider sprinkler um so I think that's that's pretty much where we are right now I think the next step of of showing people in the community what we've come up with and how the phase one and then the library phase of keeping the library there how that could all function and I think what would be important another piece of that is that with it becoming more you know a whole community center because of some of the other visions and not just the library utilizing the basement fixing up the basement which we're going to try to show them how people give their input where we could have classes and people could meet there and there's a any use you could think of you know we have a the ATV meetings could be there in the basement when we get it fixed up you know um but in any event uh so that's uh we're going to show what someone knows we've had a lot of input early from community members of what they'd like to see there so that'll be part of the the more test display so to speak and then also to see what other people think or maybe other people think but let's not do anything with anything not doing anything isn't the answer we would I would think we would at least need to do that phase one type of work just to so uh I didn't read all your document John but the how is the elevator we have now non-compliant is the width it's the width the fact that you need a key to get into it you know it's not a push button kind of operation you have to go find someone out uh but mainly it's the width I could read you the yeah sections of the it's just I don't put it in we were I'm sure we were in compliance yeah that was you know way bad right and even the report that we just got from VLCT we have a problem with with the way it is right now with the way the grade is coming into the right you're at the sidewalk and stuff that they just noted in that but so basically the elevator would move back towards the back of the building yeah it would come I mean I'd love to show you the drawings yeah but yeah kind of where the steps are you know and not even talk with Johnny Summers because you know he has access to his apartments back there but there would be two handicapped spaces created back there you know kind of where the fuel tank is though I think we could relocate that fuel tank but still show where it is but there'd be two handicapped spaces there a sidewalk and you'd go in and there'd be a slight ramp because the grade is lower there and then the you know where the old post office is right now that's basically where the elevator would be okay and you know we've we've got some great ideas about how we can utilize it still the post office in another space in the building in the basement or something it's not going to be discouraged or anything and there's going to talk about some upgrades to the kitchen and stuff like that but you know so uh you know you'll see us said more fest well she would hopefully not just Collar and I no they will be you know we're meeting again on the night they're always welcome to drop in and uh we'll carry on you know and keep keep you guys updated to what we're you know one of the last thing and then so we can move on is that we've um it the and this board has also talked about it and talked about it the last time I was on the board whatever number years ago was you know town meetings we all love having town meeting there presently the way it is because the ADA access is a problem but we've been trying to look into and see about the the thing about voting you know there's an issue about voting on the stage the regulation you know about the distance and people walking by to the bathroom and all that whether we go back to the school so um I don't believe that the the lift will make it so that people have access to the stage but I'm not sure how we can address that you know that voting issue because it's more than just the ADA access it's also the the actual physical space right you know so I don't know that's that's another discussion okay well yeah once again I mean you know I've had people say to me let's just you know a lot of we just build a new town hall and we can deal with all these issues so sleep on that one okay okay all right well thank you yeah for the work that you're doing we'll see you Thursday okay great and just keep us informed as you're happy keep going okay keep going that's terrific anything else on that anybody okay so um going back up I don't see that this we pretty much had this discussion at the site visit so yeah we're good I'll get together Sasha on that um just not here and then oh the RFP that's more on yeah more on electrical okay right we have to do it by December but so the electrical is to be done separate to the though we should try to do the moisture vapor barrier thing if we can find somewhere but the electrical we should try to move forward because there's definitely some efficiency but more money down let's see the proposal it's right under because actually they need the lighting and the lighting needs to be fixed anyway so this is an opportunity to fix the this is a bit for the looks like the electrical improvements to the town garage based on the efficiency from our proposal and uh it looks like it's uh uh replacing all the lights and labor and the price is $8,495 and he has included attachments to detailing the products he plans to use which we probably aren't compliance with efficiency but not what we probably you know have to check them out and be sure of that $8,495 that's the only price we do have I don't know where we are where we do stand on the funding I was going to look it up but I think uh I think there's like a $4,000 uh but whether we you want I mean we could check with Brad from efficiency Vermont whether we could use it off of the electrical or we use some of it for that and then also use some for the fixing that whole moisture and vapor barrier problem in that right front corner right if we use just speaking out loud here and I don't know all the rules but I don't know if it's over $5,000 do we need to have motor approval or not John this is $8,495 but if we take out the discount from efficiency Vermont that put it under $5,000 right right then we could proceed without I I'm pretty sure because how much um yeah it is for for your $4,000 municipal bonus project please begin cross the line with me this is from Brad long because that guy Paul left for another job that I was working on yeah all right Sasha how are you doing in terms of budget okay where would you want it where do you want me to look for well just what how we're doing year-to-day yeah yeah and so that answers the question as long as there's money budgeted you know looking at $4,800 or whatever yeah $4,500 or $4,500 oh whether we could take just yeah just do it I wonder if I could put something in the budget anyways because the lighting he's got lighting out right now it's kind of dark in there I mean you know I mean I wonder if maybe there's something in there that he's planned that he was going to need to do some lighting but I can reach up to Brad and ask him if we can use it for just one item he might say well you know use it and then we can start to still try you know for next year find a contractor who's going to do that you know they got to open the eve and rebuild the eve and insulate maybe that would be the way to go down yeah just get this part done yeah so we can use up the coupon we haven't received them on yeah uh okay so I guess I would make a motion to go forward with this if we can use that coupon the $4,000 coupon yeah Sasha did you send me that close so I can pull it to Brad's phone please and then I can I'll have I'll get it in an email form and then I can send it to Brad and have him look at it from efficiency to the month and see if it's a criteria yeah okay yeah I just will go on it now yeah yeah I agree any uh word discussion on that all in favor of the motion say aye any pose okay but we should stay on that other item though because yeah I think because it is it is it's only going to get worse I know right yeah but I'm thinking we'll probably get a lot more response in the winter from contractors everybody's flat out right no for sure you were mentioning EF wall because they did they built it right yeah maybe if you reached out to me to say is it something that you could do this winter or something yeah it may be a good one in project yeah okay let's uh move down the list here we've got uh the forcing communications and options what do you have there Sasha so he's referred us to another lawyer and I assume that you guys want me to go ahead and conduct it to get him going on yeah and I heard from Robert Turner he said that Martin and the guys met with him last week and they're moving forward with it okay good news did you get the email about the Joe's license yeah that's funny because I I told Joe we're not moving the okay because I think that was one of the suggestions that we already had yeah just reset it reset it okay and I'll talk to Joe again okay hey gosh hello we need to have he'd like to be reacquainted to the DRB as alternate and his it expires this month so okay let's do it right right now I make a motion that we appoint Craig Ashko I'm sorry the DRB alternate that's right he's an alternate okay there's a DRB alternate second and any more discussion or any discussion okay all affairs say hi hi okay thank you would the DRB uh John Riley would like to have Greg Negroud appropriate to the regular seat where Eric has left a vacancy oh okay I'll so I'll point Greg Greg Negroud to the regular seat right okay okay I'll make that motion oh second so Greg McGurney will be a regular member of the DRB and any discussion on that all in favor say hi hi okay thank you all the players sent in her resignation from the finance committee okay I make a motion that we accept back your Claire's resignation from the finance review committee second any discussion that's that's too bad but and I think we still do have some some interest some all in favor say hi hi any opposed there was an inquiry about renting the town home for a couple hours on a Sunday once a month for the next like five six months and they're going to play their cellos there um the library would need some clarification as to whose responsibility for setup and breakdown and and cleaning would be we've been asking people to use it to you know wipe down and do some disinfecting but we should have something yeah I thought that each of all people said that they would do clean we provide the cleaning stuff right and they just utilize it um there is two permits over there one for list fire that needs to be approved by everybody okay and then there was a permit for a grant just for you and Tom to sign okay and while we're on the town hall I had a phone call today they are planning a rain date for Eric Tetree celebration of life and wanted to know if the town hall could be utilized for that just for a couple hours October 2nd October 2nd okay everybody's fine I looked back and did some digging on Trevor Travis's request that legal trail is indeed number 15 so I just wanted to make sure that you all knew that that was okay um I've been trying to get a hold of Chad Barrett to see if he could come in but he's the voicemail that's saying he's unreachable right now so I'll keep trying on that and then I have an email from Laura Gaines on route two she's got some speed she's ready to see if there are any plans there could be plans to monitor the speed limit along the structure route she just she's noticed a lot of um working from home the past year particularly during construction season she's had a front row of many occurrences during many occurrences literally shaking when large trucks speed by she had the sense that hopefully through the winter it will subside but she's just got some concerned about it and wondering if something could be done okay so which stretch is now route two but we're I would say over toward Gallagher Acres in that area yeah which is where we've had issues before and unfortunately we couldn't get this speed limit lowered you know that there are very few places on that that you can go fish deep I just find it hard to believe that they did that traffic study and the road is the pavement it is terrible right right if you go 50 you're gonna yeah exactly I think they are planning on repeating that they did a section they did one they did one time by the young guy they did that section and over one town the landfill well let's go go school traffic down no no no but they did do a section and then they did the hill by the guy doing the flowers by the station right yeah right then I got a email from Andy she's asking if the guys could do mowing not on Tuesdays or Thursdays they have classes outside I think today was just because yesterday was a holiday right I guess interrupted some of their eight full classes okay so I can certainly send an email to them yeah that would be good okay and then she wants to know about the work she about the what the core of body uh-huh somebody from the rec had spoken to her and I I personally thought that the rec was doing it but maybe it's it was the school I don't know who I haven't gotten a bill do you guys know what the scope is with the core of body no I don't remember talking about I mean talked about it for more fast but yeah not for something it's you don't have I remember now I know about for more fast but I yeah I just figured it was the rec committee that all right I'll get on the seat and then she had a question on what should we do if there are trees that are potential hazards in the forest and our outdoor livings learning spaces who should we let know and who can request to the potential cutting well she will let me know and potential cutting I had to assume would be what our road road for or what the rec committee taking together no no yeah that's something we wouldn't want to happen anyway yeah okay good thank you Callie you have anything um I have just talked with the admin lady of the state police today I also emailed FASA just to check in with them and see if they would be willing to maybe come to a meeting and talk about different things because that was the state police's recommendation yeah yeah um if I do not hear back from them I will stop in that tractor supply because the president works there oh is that right yeah so I can stop and then see him and then I'll if I when and if I get a response from them I'll let you know the schedule but I wanted to see if that was even something they were open to I don't think so much because of it okay and then that's been pretty quiet okay right I'll put it here I'll put it there done um well I guess I'm not really quiet but I was wondering uh where are we with the owl I think it's called an owl's nest okay only because I thought there was a couple of people who have approached me and they were they were um because we don't there's no clear policy yet on what we're doing about masks and you know the state I don't want to I'm not going there but any event who would want to attend the meeting we're asking if we still had the remote possibility like some other time I said well we're working on it so I guess I guess we're getting in there yeah okay and then something from a while ago was um I had asked only because I was curious out there being an article about uh cyber cyber security and you were going to check in with our IT folks or whatever do you have something called carbonite right now and he's what's it called carbonite and he's actually working with the lct insurance to make things stronger and better yeah great I mean just hearing some of the things you hear about that people have been hacked or whatever you know ransom whatever it is ransomware whatever's going on it's already pretty crazy um no and that's that's it that's kind of the raw scent that we did so that's that's it okay I guess oh well the traffic I mean Joyce is kind of just will circle back with us Joyce yeah I'm hoping that yeah yeah okay and uh for me the only thing that I was curious about is I had saw on the news that there's Ryan is it Ryan Buska okay was killed in an accident and that's happened before people don't stop at junction of route 100 B and 2 yeah that happened just a year or two ago I wanted to do that guy's house yeah right now I don't understand how that can happen I don't either yeah I mean it's pretty clear if you know I need it says to slow down at 35 and this is you know then there's the stop sign but you come across that bridge yeah people are coming down there doing 67 miles an hour and it's not like he was out of state yeah right yeah exactly how they they haven't released any kind of you know report whether he was is he Willie's younger brother it's Wade Buska's son Wade Buska's son okay so that's not the same Buska that was did the motorcycle the racing down in there well Willie this is your dad Willie Bozak oh Bozak was it you think oh oh that's right Bozak not Buska okay yeah okay what's that he has a huge dog oh all right yeah okay the dog jumps with his paws here his hands up here that's all right all right so hi folks oh good night thanks thank you okay let's take a look at the minutes of August 17th okay it looks like the some of the things here Tom is going to check on so I don't know if you heard anything about the David Speck who's going to take a look at her Tom is going to contact David to take a look over at the the junkyard he got back to me he has he's been out you know for a couple weeks okay he did I sent him a reminder and he said that the fencing has nothing to do with zoning but the other he's checking into it yes okay I just got that in another morning okay everything else has been drawn up yeah I don't imagine Tom got back to you about the county funds yes right right and does anybody have anything more to add on the city's fiber well so a little concern was it because as I read through their budgeting I don't I mean they're it seems like they want a lot more money than what they have access to and I'd rather see a plan where we know where all this money is going to come from for this rather than get halfway into this and then what do we do yeah I understand I mean I'd like to see fiber to everybody but you know you look at the map and a couple things I noticed is if you look at their town their fiber map I mean this is the harry brook loop and you know they're showing camps up there that don't have fiber service they never will have fiber service but they're counting them as potential fiber customers yeah you know what and that's just the ones I know it doesn't doesn't make any sense well maybe they just saw that there was a property there right once they get into the more fine two details of researching properties that are going to get there's no power to those obviously right you know their their pricing is based on so many residents right you think they're produced that residents by 20 then that unit price goes up reciprocally right and I don't know there's just to me there's some seems to be a lot of unanswered questions you know they want you know two million if you take two million dollars divided by the hundred ninety eight homes it's like ten thousand dollars a house it seems like a lot of money yeah it seems like there might be a better way to do this but you know through the existing network systems like right Washington waits we'll tell it on or something well they said they are going to work with them once they do their poll survey I think that's what the poll survey will show will identify and answer that question of what they really what places really are going to be in the system that's to me pretty important that they did a little bit more to this rather than yeah I was I was really surprised at how high the numbers were anyways all right I'm sure we'll have another meeting yeah and then a couple things for the minutes on page three it said on the third to the last paragraph John let this SB know that the Waterbury rec had okay so it's the actually it's the Waterbury recreation department summer day camp and they met they were meeting I believe it's at the hole at St. Leo's yeah I mean it's sponsored by the Waterbury recreation department and then um let's see uh the poplar tree at the beginning of the driveway here yeah I don't see a poplar tree there you mean the black cherry the one that's partially yet something about a tree that was down here I thought you said poplar well it's not I mean it's it's not down I mean I I guess I'm oh okay I'm confused okay I thought you said that it needed something down there to need attention oh no no okay I think at some point we're probably gonna you want to take the the mountain ash down before it falls on somebody because it it isn't it's not very healthy you're shaking your head in agreement Cali matter of fact I think that could be done so I guess as as my role as tree warden I will contact a martyr on that okay so I will make motion to approve those minutes with the corrections that I just noted and I guess the instead of poplar tree it would be a mountain ash well I know that the black cherry the big cherry tree around the corner from Eugene's is looks like it's on its way out so I wasn't sure if that's what anybody's going to second okay any more discussion on that all in favor say hi hi any opposed okay uh any other old business we need to address anything from the list below or anything else I put together an r.r.p. from Fletcher rule the bridge the Fletcher rule bridge okay and participant will work basically um let me just send out the uh retransit special report out we'll send it out to three bridge contractors and try to bring him back by the fourth of October yes but now what I'll do is I'll be on the share of tomorrow morning She's already had me, that's the Dutch repair and construction, and probably going to be with her sets. Yep. And then that'll give us three contractors, and hopefully we'll get through a bit. Okay, and then we have the RFP for the grand list. Does everybody have a chance to take a look at that? Okay. You okay with everybody? We accept the RFP for the channel-wide reappraisal. I'll second that. Any discussion on it? Well, I just, besides the current firm that does, is doing the reappraisal of some of our appraisal work, right? Yes. And what is there, is there another, I mean, we probably were hoping that his bid will come in and be the one, because we've been doing the town for quite a while. But do we have anybody else to send it to? Is there a... You gave me one name. Vickery? Vickery, they did it. Yeah. I'll send them one. Okay. And then there's something M-M. I know a name of another one, actually. That I could, someone told me about. I could send it to you in just one or another. Another name. Or maybe it's, yeah, it's not Vickery. It's someone else. I can send it to Sasha and she'll send it to you guys. Yeah. Vickery did the last one, so that's what I thought about. But again, I'm not sure if he's doing it or any more or not. What's in there of the company that we're working with now, again? Numeric. Numeric. Numeric. Okay, then all in favor of the RFP, say aye. Aye. Aye. And opposed? Okay. Any other old business? How about new business? Okay. Good. Let's sign away here. No, I got to sign. Do I need to sign, please? Please. Why? Why me? I wrote that. Okay. So I've got an invoice for approval, a Numeric invoice. What's about this? Like three of them right there. Wonderful. And here is the purchase order for the Owl. It's totaled $999. And we voted that that was okay. So that's how I can sign that. You know, won't we eventually be able to put that with the recovery funds? I think so. I hope so. Yeah. I mean, I know that's what others come up with. So, I hope so. Clark's plumbing and heating and invoice for $640. The toilet and the toilet seat and so on, a lavatory faucet. Is the invoice for $1232 and 48 cents from William Gallup architecture and planning LLC for his consulting services. Is it okay with that? You okay with that? Yeah. We go and preservation trust. We got $500. Oh, there we go. I signed everything. Oh, she skipped right by you. I was signing this. I wasn't worried that they signed me back. No, I don't need to sign that file. No, you don't need to sign that file. The file John has already signed. Just to look at license? Yep. Well, you didn't sign this one here, John. Did I miss one? Okay. Okay. Everybody play. So, from my LLC, State Highway Access and Work Permit. I see it. You signed it. John, did you sign that one? I feel like I'm not signing paperwork every day. My signature has gotten worse. Those treats up there? I don't know. Let's find something to eat up there. Oh, no. It's a clock. Oh, it's a clock. Hey, I've been thinking so many brownies. It's like brownies to my kids. We're going to have some of those good brownies. Good night's ride home. Darren. I'm sorry. Keep the copy of the Christmas heroines thing. Yes. So here's the liquor license for Bliss Bar LLC. What's that? Did you sign it? Yeah. Oh, so we all need that? Yeah. I get to have a drink up there some day. What is that for? Just a store? No, this is for Bliss Farm, isn't it? Yes. Yes. For their functions. That's for Jordan, Dan, and Travis. We're just going to give you a beer kind of breakfast in there. Yeah, it sure is. That's a twenty-five. Two. Forty-seven. Forty-seven? Well, Fort is like the final work so like it's seven-thirty. I think it's something like that. The sky's a four o'clock. Yeah. Okay. Short and sweet. Yes. You don't know, I think it's good. Yeah, it's good. I went to one of the meetings the other day. It's coming together. Okay, very good. Anything else, memory? I think you should do it for Darren. Second? I'm sorry. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay.


Great, so thank you for coming to this session. Hopefully it will be interesting. We have 30 minutes. I'll try to speak for maybe 25 minutes or so and leave at least five minutes for questions. And today we'll be talking about Hyperledger Yidroha v2. Some of you may not be familiar with Hyperledger Yidroha v1, so I'll give a brief overview as well. And as an introduction, I'm Makoto Takamiya. I'm the group CEO and co-founder of Sormitsu. So today I'll talk a little bit about... I'll say a few words about Hyperledger Yidroha v1 and then I'll talk about Hyperledger Yidroha v2, some of the overview, where the code is located, how it's structured, how would you set up the network, what are Yidroha's special instructions, and different things like this. So that way you can learn some of the basics of the network and some of the philosophy, and then figure out maybe how you can use this in your own applications. So for those who don't know, I'll just say for a couple of seconds about my company, Sormitsu, who we were founded in 2016, we actually joined Hyperledger project in 2016 as well. And we contributed Hyperledger Yidroha along with several other companies, like Entity Data and P-Touch and Coldiv, back in 2016. And we've been working as an active maintainer for the project since then. We use it in many of our applications, including our work with the Central Bank of Cambodia on a really exciting project called Backhaul. Another session that I think Brian was a chair of that talked about CPDCs, and if you didn't watch it, I encourage you to find the video and maybe see it. It's very interesting. But that project uses Hyperledger Yidroha V1. We've done many other projects as well over the years. For those who don't know, so we focus a lot in Hyperledger Yidroha on mobile interfaces and being able to connect to applications that people build in the mobile context. So Project Backhaul, which we built with the Central Bank of Cambodia, is actually the world's first retail payment system run by the Central Bank of Cambodia, that launched with real money back in 2019. And it's quite the exciting system that uses Hyperledger Yidroha at the core of the system. But today I'll be talking about Yidroha V2. Actually, this system actually won some rewards. So before I talk a little bit about Yidroha V2, I think it's important to understand some of the philosophy of what the original context or vision of Yidroha was, and really it was to create something that's kind of a simple blockchain that doesn't try to do too much, that really focuses on high performance and low latency and focusing on mobile interfaces in particular. So building libraries and different SDKs that can help with mobile apps has been a very big push. And then also Yidroha tries to be blockchain. So it means that more in like a traditional context. So instead of trying to be like a glorified database system or trying to do too many different things at once, it really is kind of like a traditional blockchain where you have a set of validators and all the validators don't trust each other. They get the data and they verify it all. So this means that they see all the same data and they verify it and that has implications for the types of contexts or applications that you can use Yidroha in. And so in Yidroha version one, we also tried to focus on limiting the scope of the blockchain platform so that you couldn't really do too many things like you couldn't do during complete user-defined smart contracts that would be defined at runtime. Instead, if you wanted to have new functionality, you would have to write this code in the original C++. So Yidroha one was in C++ and this was done really because we do focus a lot on financial applications and a lot of users, for example, central banks don't really want to have too much flexibility. In fact, having less flexibility in what you can do actually reduces the attack space. But it has trade-offs in that doing new things is more costly or takes developer resources. In Yidroha two, we're trying to improve on some lessons that were learned. Yidroha two is written in Rust, which is kind of a more and more... it's a language that's getting more and more popular over time. If you haven't used it, it's really a lot of fun. The learning curve is somewhat steep, but so is C++. I've written code in many languages, including C++ and Rust. What I like about Rust is that it's a little bit less flexible so the compiler is very strict about what you can do. This actually forces you to design things in a more standardized way. So it's actually easier... I would say it's easier to work in an open source or open context because there's not as many degrees of developer freedom in some ways because the language kind of forces you to do certain styles. So this makes it easier to work with other people's code. You don't have a lot of problems like you would have in C++ where C++ has a big range and if you're a very highly skilled C++ developer or kind of a novice, the quality of the code is very different. Rust kind of forces everyone to be close to the same level. Rust, also, the compiler is able to optimize code pretty well because it's a very strict compiler. So it's in many contexts it's easier to get faster running code than Rust and C++ if you're a novice to C++ like I am, for instance. It's also very opinionated about how data processing is and data handling is done. So we keep all data in memory and of course this doesn't mean that you lose data when the system crashes or something. All blocks and the blocks are kind of like the atomic unit of state change in the system. All blocks are updated atomically on the disk when they come in along with the in-memory data storage. So in-memory data storage, we have an in-memory block store and then also in-memory world state view that has different accounts like state data. So for example, how many assets a student account has. So all these data are kept in memory which makes validation of transactions extremely fast. We don't even use like an in-memory database. We use kind of Rust level maps or hash maps so it makes it really, really, really fast so you don't have any overhead. And this was done partly because in Ederhof V1 we did see a lot of the bottlenecks related to data processing. And V1 is actually still under active maintenance. It has a community around it. People are contributing code. Currently it's being upgraded to use a key value database and that's a lot faster than PostgreSQL which it was using before. But I would say V2 takes this to a whole other level by keeping all the data in memory and it makes it really, really exceptionally fast. We're also trying to give people more flexibility so being able to support turn complete computation that's user defined at runtime basically. So being able to define your own smart contracts while the system is running is really an important design goal that we have. Initially this is based around what we call Ederhof Special Instructions and I'll introduce these. These are not currently turn complete but in the future we're reviewing several proposals with the community and one of them is to include a WASM VM and then that way people can compile really any language that they like to WASM and then run their smart contracts that are user defined when the system is running. There's advantages and disadvantages to this of course. It makes compilation a little bit harder because the version of Rust we support has to be more specific. Currently, hopefully someday there will be better language support please. So Ederhof V2 has been in debt for a little bit more than a year, like maybe 15 months and it's still not at the first stable release but it's come pretty far and the network actually should be running stably and you're able to use the current Ederhof Special Instructions that I'll show off in today's presentation. Kind of as one of the introductions Ederhof V2 uses as did Ederhof V1 kind of a very simple data model and yeah, so I can type on this slide so instead of saying commands it should say instructions and maybe tell us how it's done. So domain is like a grouping of asset definitions and of accounts and an asset definition is just a name and then has maybe some other metadata for example what type of asset it is is it like a key value map, like a complex asset or is it like a currency that has a quantity. So you can define these and I'll show you how using Ederhof Special Instructions and then you have accounts and accounts are some data that has a set of signatories and the signatory is just a public key basically so you can have one or more public keys and you can have a quorum defining how the public keys are used to sign fund sections and accounts can also have assets and our assets are instantiations of the asset definition so you could have like an asset definition for US dollar and then your account has a hundred assets which are instances of a US dollar definition. So this is a very simple data model it easily incorporates basically any use case you would want because an asset definition is really like an object and so if you interpret it like a currency or something else it's really up to the business logic that you have you can deal with many different types of situations. Okay, so it helps structure so let's say that I wanted to help kind of join the community and maybe you guys can you can first go to hyperledger.com on github so github.com hyperledger.com as P2 is still under active dev and there's no staple release yet currently the main branch is Ederhof version 1 and then if you want to go to version 2 you have to go to Ederhof 2 or Ederhof Dev Ederhof 2 is updated occasionally but yeah we don't have a really well-defined release cycle for yet so you can probably at this stage use Ederhof 2.dev branch and this should always be compiling and running because we have a lot of github actions we run tests upon pull request and we don't really we try to keep it fairly stable so that there's no you shouldn't have a situation where you try to run Ederhof 2.dev and it doesn't start up or something but if you want to use in production you should be a little bit careful because it is still under active development but it's fine for playing around with even today and the code is reasonably high quality and shouldn't have any known major defects other than lack of functionality implemented so the implemented functionality should be working pretty well it's kind of organized into seven different crates that are compiled so for example we've got Ederhof crypto, we've got Ederhof and CLI different things like this so it should be pretty easy to kind of understand how this and you can build these kind of separately if you want to for cryptography we use Hyperledger Ursa I mean obviously writing your own cryptos is a bad idea so we don't use Ursa so you can check this out and play around with the dependencies if you want okay so yeah that's kind of some of the overview of GitHub let's move on let's say I want to play around with this and try to check it out like what can I do today so you can set up your own Ederhof V2 network I gave a demo this morning about it I'm not going to go into that level of detail now but I will just say you would build the client crypto CLI this should be a crypto you build the Ederhof crypto CLI and use this program to generate your own keys so if you run the script it gives you an ed25519 private and public key pair and then you can take these these these each server that you want to run like let's say if you want to have four different servers you have a config file in each server and then you plug in your private key and the public key here and this you don't have to use ed25519 I think we support maybe some other photography that's in Ursa but yeah it's recommended not to play around with this too much if you don't know what you're doing I mean you can read some of the explanation in the github but basically if you want to set up your own node you would get this config file from github just setting up port that you run for the ptp traffic this is between nodes on the network and then api which is the external query nodes and then you do need to define a genesis block and you need to have like a public and private key associated with this so that the data are so this is the genesis block then validated so you have just a simple json format that you can define your genesis block in just a list of transactions I think you don't even have to have anything but that would be a boring network without any user accounts so like in this example here you just have like iSize which are the interhouse special instructions which I'll talk about and then you can register you register first a new domain called wonderland and then you register a new account called alice and then you can register a new asset called a rose that's inside wonderland and it has a type of quantity which means you can have a quantity of roses you can have different value types as well and let's see and then you can have your user alice in wonderland and you give alice a rose you actually give 13 roses because this is mint commands you're minting alice assets into alice at wonderland's account pretty straight forward this is just a genesis block so this kind of defines the first account that maybe has some assets permissions and then you can kind of do everything around that genesis and then finally the third thing that you need to start up is a trusted peers file and this just has the initial peers that you have you can add new peers and remove peers from the network using either hospital instructions during runtime but you need at least a quorum of peers to start out with and the number of peers you need is actually so the consensus algorithm is called sumeragi and in sumeragi there's a max fault peers parameter if you run it locally with just one peer on your own system you would just make this zero if you want four peers you make this one so you have a 3F plus one fault tolerance of F so if you want to tolerate one fault you need 3F three times one plus one so four nodes so that's how you set up a network you just make config.json file genesis.json and trustedpeers.json and you do this for each of your peers and actually this morning in the demo a network and it's still running locally it hasn't crashed or anything one thing I'll just point out is idoh2 doesn't create blocks just for the fun of it you have to have transactions in your block so that's why it's not creating a bunch of blocks but if I go to my command line and if I run a command like let's create a new domain called block and you can see that we now have a new block height at nine because it just generated a new block that contains my register transaction the settings are here in the config.json so here it's one second per block so if you get a bunch of transactions being sent every second they're going to be grouped together in the block and now I have nine blocks and you can see these blocks the blocks themselves are not so interesting to look at for humans we use a parody scale codec to store blocks as I recall which is a very efficient binary format used in Hope.tap ok so let's go back and talk a little bit about idoh2 special instructions idoh2 special instructions are kind of yeah, a list of different kind of building blocks that you can kind of piece together to do lots of things and you might have seen some of this in my explanation just now of the genesis block for instance so to make a to make a let's take a look to make a register domain there's like the register instruction that is just register you can call register on different objects you can call it on a domain to register a domain you can call it on a new account register an account you can even call it on an asset definition to register a new asset definition so it's kind of like yeah, you have this kind of like the command or instruction called register and you've got under register which does the other thing if you want to add a new peer to your network I think you call register but remove the peer to create a new asset you've minted and you can burn the asset to kind of get rid of it you can transfer the asset there's some conditional logic in using if if clauses this this should work for really cool use cases like for example conditional multi-sig where if you want to to define like some signatories on an account you'll be able in the future to to like set up an account so that if you're sending more than 1000 of an asset you'll have to have three signatories and if you send less than 1000 you'll have two different rules like this that you'll be able to define just by piecing these different things together so that's kind of the idea to kind of create this like basic something like a domain specific language that you can kind of piece together right now it's not turn complete actually you can make it turn complete by implementing triggers on top of these that would be kind of like event-based functional programming which we which we're exploring but it takes a little bit of research if you're interested in this topic I'm very happy to you know to have any more collaborate okay so how would we use some of these ISIs so that you don't have special instructions so for example you can play around with our EdoHa client CLI which is command line tool in the future this will be probably deprecated with a nice Python library but it's still under work for now if you wanted to register like an account you can go to your command line and register an account you have to give it at least one key to be like you know to do the transaction notification so I just created a domain called night talk because it's night time where I am so you can hit this and let's see I see what's wrong so in Keynote it kind of takes my double dash line and turns it into one line which is not cool you have to do two dashes I created my new I registered an account and then the payload is not very fun to look at but you can see the different byte values this should probably be simplified a little bit but hey it works and then I can create a new asset if I wanted to so like this would be kind of like the equivalent of an Ethereum so just like a simple asset here a piece of stuff in line so this is a type quantity meaning it's like some kind of token let's put it in our byte talk domain and I don't know is there a cool name for this I'll call it nhd for night night token there's like so we just created a new token actually you can see all the assets by calling list assets so yeah sorry asset list all so you can run this and you can see we've got which was made this morning we've got some roses and we've got where did it go maybe I'm missing something here where did it go here nhd it's because I didn't mint any instances of the asset so I'm just looking at the definitions so we need to mint some quantity so we can just go over here and I think quantity has to have again double dashes otherwise it will fail the asset would be nhd at night token and I'm almost done almost out of time I gave it to makoto Iroha world let's give it to makoto at night talk let's mint some more tokens why not cool and then I can just go list all and then you can see the nhd asset now makoto Iroha world has also that it's quantity 1337 which is very cool and you can just keep going you can combine all these different things you could send for example Alice some Iroha tokens different things like this anyway I think you get the idea we're almost out of time so I'm just going to go to the chat if I can find it if there's any questions and if there's no questions I'll ask my own questions and feel free to so somebody wrote have you done any performance benchmarks with Iroha v2 if so how is it compared to v1 it's a good question here I'll stop sharing my screen because it's kind of distracting maybe so yeah so it takes some time to do proper benchmarks in fact we're having a hard time doing tools that will give transactions fast enough to Iroha v2 we've yeah but we recently set up like our own kind of network to test longevity and we created so we have a java library that we used along with jmeter to create like just create a bunch of transactions and test it and Iroha v2 is quite fast I don't really want to say any specific numbers because we've only really tested it on a small network but it's like thousands of transactions per second so it's pretty fast I mean it's really nice somebody asked a great question you know what v2 is in Rust it's SDK is still supported by python, javascript, etc. okay this is great so basically what do you do with SDK so for SDKs to really be nice for humans to use you have to kind of put a lot of care into the writing of them and for Android and java we have kind of a a rudimentary library that you can use and we're currently improving this and we're also looking at having some people work on a Swift version, a Swift library for iOS for python there's a Rust cargo crate that will kind of like put a wrapper around your Rust compiler pool I think it actually uses something related to C and Cython in order to do the bindings but it looks pretty nice we're actually testing it this week we haven't actually used it yet so I can't really say much about it but it looks really helpful so hopefully soon you'll be able to use python and for javascript we do have another I think at least a draft version of javascript library that people can use and this is going to get better somebody asked what's the main difference between Hyperledge Fabric and Hyperledge Redraw well I mean there's a lot of differences so the philosophy is very different the way things are built are different so which platform you use depends a lot on what you're trying to do Hyperledge 2 tries to be a lot simpler and less overhead and also all peers should have all the data so in Fabric they have different channels and things like that and double-layer consensus that happens maybe not with data validation but with just a hash hash ordering and that's not really what we well it's not the design choice that is in Iterha so Iterha is a little bit different so you should look at them and understand which ones are best in order to use your projects so yeah we're mostly done I think we're out of time now so thanks for joining you know you can connect you can go to our github page I think there's some links to the chats and feel free to join Rocketchats, Allground whatever Gitter and ask questions but yeah to check out Iterha 2 just check out Iterha 2.dev branch and then hit cargo build and it should run for you hopefully I haven't had trouble at least so have a good day everyone thanks a lot and I think that's all we have


What you see is the current economic situation in India right now, especially over the last four years of the five years of the Modi government So how much would you see this as something the Modi government is actually pushed further versus something that has been part of the larger framework for the last 20 years? You see, that's interesting because between 2004-5 and 2013-14 You had a 10-year period in which the first four years were characterized by rapid economic growth World Bank has put a document where the Modi government has been quoting all the time the ease of business index But it's not putting the rest of the document which actually shows that You know post 2009 there was a slowdown global economic crisis and so on and what you are finding in terms of reported growth rates post 2013-14 is really a recovery from the crisis growth of the post 2008 global economic crisis and even those numbers if you Measure them if you back-end the series you go back to earlier ways of measuring GDP the growth rates would not be very different so what the Modi regime has done is to lose an opportunity of Not just improving growth rates, but having a much more broad-based economic growth post 2013-14 In a especially favorable international context for about two and a half years through the Modi regime international oil prices fell very sharply This would have been the occasion for you to give the economy a big boost. We didn't do this Now what do you have? We have two or three things working against you because I mentioned unemployment and agrarian crisis But I did not mention the balance of a minute issue. You will remember that way back in 2013 When the UPI government second version was in office There was a lot of discussion about the sharp rise in the price of the dollar with a rupee In fact went from 45 to 63 in a fairly short period $1 became 60 to 2045 And they were saying we'll go to 65 and 70 and this is all terrible Congress up a mismanagement of the economy Fact was that, you know, you were declining in growth rates You were post the global economic crisis and of course you also had been doing trade liberalization So one element of continuity Since the liberalization policies came into force in the early 90s and got further intensified Is that throughout this period There has not been a single quarter, mind you, three months period during which the merchandise trade deficit How is that defined? It is the value of exports of physical goods Minus the value of imports of physical goods. This is the merchandise trade deficit That has been consistently in the red. India's merchandise trade balance has been always in the red Meaning that your exports have never financed your imports of goods So, how do we survive? One part of the survival mechanism comes from net exports of services, IT, IT-enabled services, tourism These may give you a bit of a help. The second more important element is the Remittances of Indian working people abroad which comes not only from software professionals Which is of course more easily recognized but from very hardworking people from all parts of the country from rural areas Who go and work in very difficult conditions in difficult countries You know forgoing their civil liberties, sending money home to the families working long hours whose efforts are never recognized They have they are the major sources of foreign exchange for you beyond your IT, IT-enabled export services So together these two Flows of income into India or foreign exchange in India both from remittances and from net exports of services They've helped shore up a little bit your large deficit on the merchandise trade 2013 the merchandise trade deficit touched about 10.4 percent it was huge really big and Was brought down to about 6% by these remittances and so on but at the end of the day Throughout this period. We have had a persistent current account deficit We want to accept some of that but by and large we had a current account deficit Which is basically the merchandise trade deficit then showed up a little bit by remittances and by Net export of services this deficit current open deficit compels you Desperately seek foreign capital inflows Regardless of whether they come for productive purposes or unproductive purposes So you're desperate for example to attract portfolio investment Which contributes zero to the economy Going to the stock market going to the commodity markets speculates makes money and leaves But you don't mind because you wanted to keep coming You so desperate in every quarter for your you know overall forex deficit that in a sense the Modi regime has taken this forward and despite doing all that and despite a Very significant segment of the rule which was favorable to them in terms of oil prices They have no got us to point by the rupees now moved from 63 or 64 rupees to something like 72 rupees now What is happening two things are happening one is that the easy money policies in the advanced countries has been reversed recently Especially in the US Fed has been raising interest rates now the US Fed Interest rates are close to about three and a half percent or three percent there about so This is causing an outflow of finance capital from emerging market economies including India second in the more recent period there's been this big trade war with Trump and Targeting China and so on and Of course Chinese can handle it You see for contrary to all the media reports that are appearing saying the Chinese economic growth You know a slow down this year and we will be the fastest going all this breastfeeding about our being the fastest doing economy really Chinese have actually Deliberately slowed down the economy a bit because they are worried about credit issues They're worried about he overheating of the economy But 6.4 percent growth rate Over about 45 years isn't peanuts. It's just phenomenal. I mean people don't recognize this No, China is another planet. We're another planet. Although Raghuram Rajin has said three more recently I'm very surprised to say it is that oh eventually India will overtake China. You've got larger numbers So in absolute GDP may overtake them, but per capita GDP what's gonna happen to you? The in any event we are not doing a running race between China and India. We're looking at what is happening to Indian people Working Indian working people under the regime and I would have to say that we lost a golden opportunity to Rejig the economy to help create mass employment Provide a boost for the domestic market and instead we squandered that period of you know, low oil prices We did not reduce our dependence on imports of oil We did not build infrastructure and you know, I've not even referred so far to the mess in the financial sector That's coming you see if you trying to address any of these issues from me have that you've got this large infrastructure investments for which loans were taken by private corporate entities Look at the absurdity of this. You have a notion of a fiscal deficit target You have a you have legislation for be a Mac. It says the governments should not treat borrowing as legitimate income Your entire corporate sector invests by borrowing from publicly owned banks That's okay. Somehow they're totally unaccountable to the population But that's okay a government accountable to the people cannot borrow or it is not legitimate This is the political economy of the whole notion of the fiscal deficit leave that aside. I mean even if for argument's sake you were to say Okay, fiscal deficit may not have a big impact on interest rates or inflation I mean to agree with you on that but since international investors or made to look at fiscal deficits by rating agency like you know All your modi and powers or whatever standard powers modis or fixed or whoever these rating agencies tell investors Don't go to country X because go to high fiscal deficit So maybe there is a compelling necessity for you to keep your fiscal deficits down in the current global environment Where you allow footloose finance capital to enter and exit freely across the world So that may be a compulsion even if theory doesn't demand that you address fiscal deficits Question is all right after all the fiscal deficit the difference between two terms right expenditure and revenues Why can't you? Tackle the fiscal deficit target Through better resource mobilization than only through expenditure reduction. Why are you doing only expenditure reduction? Why well? You know you this is a brilliant ideological Feet that the new levels have achieved by calling whatever goes to working people as subsidy and Calling whatever goes to the corporate is incentive. So if you provide Food grains the PDS if you provide some subsidies on transport. These are all subsidies. That's a bad word right on energy On food on fertilizer. You're providing subsidy. It sounds awful You know in the World Bank laments that in one year it became 2% of GDP what you're not saying is that you're providing huge tax concessions Explicit and implicit through all kinds of exemptions and through outright, you know Condoling of tax not being paid. We have a finance minister. Well, not today We had a finance minister two days ago. You might be a different minister of portfolio right now But who keeps all talking about tax terrorism? He's saying that you know even to demand that corporates pay the taxes is tax terrorism. You had a corporate sector which has been pampered You had a foreign capital sector which has been pampered in the hope that they will bring in money here and The narrative in 1991 was that if you open up the economy if you remove all control and regulations If you allow more space for the private sector then everything will be fine and dandy investment will flow in we learned the hard way that It is not enough to open up. You have to offer them concessions as well Once you offered the foreign capitalists concessions you had offered domestic capitalists So your budget takes a hit. So where do you squeeze? You squeeze the people Cutback on education cutback and healthcare. This is neoliberalism. We are currently Harvesting the wages of neoliberalism, but the one difference is that at least in the up a two regime up a one regime particularly Left for support. One could push through some popular pro people schemes. We had the employment guarantee are coming in at the time you had the Forest rights are coming at the time you had the national food security bill discussions going on for a number of years But in the current regime There's been merciless application of Neoliberal principles and a complete disregard for the suffering that has caused the various sections of our working people So currently we face in addition to the unemployment and a gradient crisis We face a crisis on the balance of payments So what is happening is that you are not able to increase your exports What is all this thing about make in India about? The idea was that you would produce in India and you export to global What you had instead is a fake in India And then it then with demonetization became Q in India So you really had this all these words that have been thrown around but effectively on the ground I'm afraid the the track record of the Modi government is not something that even the Modi government can be proud of So considering that the government has lost a series of elections recently Do you think that there's a possibility of them trying to bring in some last-minute measures, which may seem like Propy, you know, they may do something dramatic on dramatic meaning dramatic in the newspaper sense Not in terms of the current content and impact on the ground on let's say Agriculture for example loans or they might also do something on small and medium industries recent business about Within dispersing the loan within one what 24 hours or something Some of these gimmicks have been already out put out there, but they're also constrained You see they it is difficult for them to do a whole lot of that because they are also determined to Keep the fiscal deficit. However, as the CAG pointed out recently The one feature of the Modi government for the last four or five years They have done a lot of the borrowing of budget. They've concealed the borrowing of budget so that the budget figures look fine But a lot of borrowing takes place through State entities, which are not part of your budget. This is a this has been done earlier also it's not peculiar to the money team, but money team has put a lot of the money that they borrowed of budget and That'll come back chickens come back to us. In fact, you're dead I think it's about 50% in the modernity inferior to 82 lakh crores or something But more important is the other side of it, which is the private sector is also heavily in debt It's not just the government which is in there private sector was a lot of money to your banking system and They have shown no inclination to pay it and the government has no show no inclination to make them pay So you are really sitting. What did it happen? I mean important question to ask is what did this happen a good part of the crisis in the banking system and the likely Defaulting of large corporate entities on their loans to policy them that they have taken from all these other banks There's a lot of it mentioned to infrastructure Traditionally post-independence we dealt with it through long-term development finance institutions We had the IDBI the ICICI all of which have become private sector institutions I mean ridiculous your IDBI Indian National Bank of India ICICI Industrial Credit Management Corporation India IFC Indian Finance Cooperation India Industrial Finance Cooperation India Whole UTI you name it. You're a whole lot LIC a whole lot of large long-term lending agencies in the public sector because you were focused on Development banking, but in the 90s you moved into a regime of universal banking What are the people who were who welcomed it at that time who had also been RBI governor someone like Rangarajan I subsequently said maybe we made a mistake in going in for universal banking now if we had retained development finance institutions Some of this borrowing would have taken place on better terms and would have been taken by Publicly held entities which will be more accountable to repaying their debts. So currently we have actually Unfortunately got us into a mess and Given the government's attitude, which is basically save the private sector Never mind about the public sector. We are really Doing serious harm to the long-term prospects of engineering economy. That's what worries me a lot That's all we have time for today keep watching your sneak