and welcome to this episode of the Analyst Angle. I'm Shelly Kramer, Managing Director and Principal Analyst here at the Cube Research. I'm joined today by my friend and colleague and frequent collaborator, Ziaz Karawala. Ziaz, welcome. It's great to see you. Thanks, Shelly. It's a pleasure to see you as well. And you know, I know that you just landed in Vegas, ready to head over to the Expo Center and check out CES, and I am not there this year, so I'll be counting on you for all the news. Yeah, and you can tell by the awesome, you know, hotel-type curtains behind me where I'm in some kind of Vegas hotel. They are pretty attractive. So today, we thought we would jump on real quick to talk about the battle of network giants that we see underway with news that came out last night. HPE made a bid to acquire Juniper Networks, and this really sets the stage for sort of a networking supremacy battle, pitting HPE Aruba and Cisco systems against one another. I know that you have thoughts on this, Ziaz. What was your initial reaction when you saw that news? Yeah, well, the news wasn't that they made the bid, that it's a bid as likely to come, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's an interesting acquisition, if it actually happens. And, you know, when we talk about networking giants, let's be real, there's only one networking giant, right? Cisco's enterprise networking revenue according to Gartner is about $27 billion, and no one else is even close to that. In fact, if you combine HPE's network revenue and Juniper's, I put it in my SiliconANGLE post, but the two together would have almost $6 billion, which would put them at number three behind Huawei, but still a distant, this is my Cisco. But I do think in networking, especially when you deal with large global companies, scale and size do matter. Now, this is only the networking portion. HPE, of course, has the rest of the HPE portfolio, right? They're a $30 billion company, and so they're about half a Cisco size and total revenue, but much of that does come from storage, servers, services, things like that. So I do think one of the shifts in the industry, though, that's happened is the world has moved away from a compute-centric kind of IT architecture to one of this network-centric. And part of that is because the network has become essential to really all experiences, right? So if we want to use compute, we use the cloud. If we want to, you know, we use mobile devices, we connect things, you know, with IoT devices, and they're all network-centric, right? So the network plays a really important role in both customer and employee experience.  Now, what's confusingly about this is they have a robust network and portfolio.  Well, they acquired Aruba, they acquired H3C, they acquired Silver Peak, and they put together a fairly nice network portfolio. They spent a lot of money and time investing in Aruba Central, which is their management console. They've taken what was largely an on-prem solution, moved that to the cloud, made a cloud native. They've been building AI features into it. And so this isn't an acquisition for technical capabilities. I mean, it is to some degree, because Juniper's got a very good AI platform, but I think it's more about market consolidation. And I've never been a big fan of acquiring for market consolidation because by the time you get through all the product integration issues, and trying to bring the portfolios together, and how do you bring the channels together, you're one plus one, which is supposed to equal three, and now it equals 1.5. And if you remember, HP bought Compact back in the day to do something similar, and they didn't really get the results. That seems like forever ago, doesn't it? Yeah. And so I understand the rationale behind it to create a bigger networking company, but I'm not sure they needed it. The crown jewel of it, though, is missed. Absolutely. The AI ops platform from Juniper. But again, that raises some questions as to what does Aruba do with Central? And I do think Mist is ahead of, in fact, I think Mist is really the market leader here in AI ops. I agree. Very impressive. Yeah. But that alone worth $12 million, $13 million. So that would be the question. If that's what they're acquiring at four, they're spending a lot of money to get a really big portfolio that they only want one little piece of.  And it is really, I mean, I think the conversations that I have have been all about the integration part of this, and the synergies part of this, and the differences in the product portfolios, and there are so many similarities, and there's challenges and differences in the company's respective channel programs. And so I've seen some channel partners quoted as saying they're very bullish on this and they see great opportunities for them and HPE channel partners. And then I've seen other commentary that this is really, this may bring more challenges than it's worth, which is essentially what you're saying. And I know that you published an article this morning at Silicon Angle and basically said, this was not, you did a great job of outlining the pros and the cons, but that this was not something that you thought was the best move for either company. And I very much agree. Yeah. If HP was a cash rich company and they had a bunch of money set in the bank, then I think you can make an argument for it. But the fact that they've only got, they got 3.4 million in cash, you can't imagine they're going to divert all of this to the acquisition. So let's say they put 2 billion towards this acquisition, that means they're going to have to raise 11 million in debt and interest rates are pretty high right now. And so servicing the debt, we've seen this with lots and lots of other companies, right? Dell EMC and whoever, when you buy a company that's that big and you need to raise debt, then you have to worry about how you pay down that debt along with, you know, so you have to service the debt plus service your shareholders. And that sometimes becomes a vote anchor around you where you can't go do other things that you may want to do down the road. And so I do, in fact, Dave Vellante put that up on Twitter this morning that he was scratching his head trying to understand the economics of it. And that's where I've really struggled with this.  I think in fact, since over the last five years, we've seen a lot of the top executives from the former Aruba company leave, right? Kirti and Parthen, folks like that. And they'd be getting a very good technical team from Juniper, as well as good platform, but at what cost, right?  The other part of this from a Juniper perspective is this is a company that has spent the better part of the last five years when they acquired this, transforming their own company. Right. Very successfully. Yes, as a public traded company, the people would need the analogy. It's like changing the wings on a plane while it's flying. It's not anything to do. And so they have finally turned that corner where enterprise is now big in the service provider. And so from a shareholder perspective, I get that you always want to take the quick win. But I think if you wait a couple of years and you allow the investment you made in Juniper to grow, you might have a company that's worth a lot more than it is today. Right. Well, and, you know, to touch on that enterprise business, that is now 38% of Juniper's revenue and the company has said they expect to double that in the course of the next three years. So that makes Juniper incredibly attractive. But then going back to the dollars and cents part of this, how is it possible that HPE is able to take on this debt load and be able to turn it around in the space of a handful of years? And that really, I think, is the biggest challenge. Yeah, I mean that, you know, ultimately, right, you hit the nail on the head there, is if they want to acquire the company, you know, obviously they're going to, I don't think there's going to be any regulatory issues here just because it's, you know, number five by number nine. And you're still a distant number three or two if you're looking at the U.S. markets only. But the question is, is how do they do it in a way that's fiscally responsible? And if you look, Wall Street wasn't exactly bullish on HPE this morning, right? Their stock was down nine percent. So, you know, obviously... Juniper was up. Yeah. Well, the Juniper shareholders are going to like it. Anytime we get a 20% return overnight like that, it's great. So, but from an HPE perspective, it could take a long time for them to recoup this investment. Now, if it is transformative in some way, like they're able to take the MIST AIOPS platform and run that across the entire say HPE portfolio, then that's one thing. But right now, MIST is built from networking. And, you know, we'll see, you know, we'll see if they can do something with it. And, you know, this hasn't even been finalized yet, right? So, who knows, pass a shareholder approval and things like that. So, but it is an interesting thing to speculate on. And I've thought for a long time, there's, you know, we do have a lot of networking vendors. And with, you know, with Arista and Extreme Networks also in this space, ComScope is another Wi-Fi company. We've got a number of emerging private 5G companies, right? So, VMware is a networking as well. And so the networking space is getting crowded. And so perhaps some consolidation is overdue to get the number of suppliers down. But I'm just not sure it's risk consolidation. Yeah, it's rare that you see two companies, say, in the Gartner Magic Quadrant Leader, you know, in that quadrant to actually, you know, merge together, right? It's more likely that a bigger company like an HPE would go and get, like what they did with Ethernet, right?  Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and I think that, you know, the big purchase price, you know, the speculated big number, significant product overlap, integration challenges, all of those sort of things, it'll really be interesting to see how this plays out. That's for sure. Yeah, well, best select of both, I guess. Well, thanks for joining me today. I will say the portfolios are both very good.  And the good thing they did there was they let Aruba run on its own. And I'd be curious to know if they actually do this, would they do another one of those reverse mergers where the Juniper leadership team now takes control of Aruba, which at that time took control over the HPE network in portfolio, right? So HPE, a lot of the stuff that's been written about HPE is they're not a good acquirer. And if you look at autonomy and things like that, they haven't done a good job. But when they did do a good job on Aruba because they left them alone and let them assume the rest of the HPE networking. And so you wonder if you can do that twice though. Yeah. Well, you know what? Time's gonna tell. I will tell. Just like always. Thanks, Zeus, for making time today to hop on. It's been great. Have a good time at CES, and we'll talk again soon. Thanks.


During this quarantine period, I've finished projects that I've been on and off for a couple of months to even a couple of years. So I see this as an incredible opportunity not just to spend time with people that we love, but to really have a new angle to problem-solve these project ideas. I was working full-time at Brown Floor as a designer, and I had a lot of places where I could gather inspiration for men's wear. One rainy day, I was indoors and Bodie happened to be on the bed. He was glancing over at me and I thought, you know what, he kind of looks like a person. So I decided to take a few items and layer him in men's wear. The Bodie started giving me all of these crazy amazing angles and I was so excited. And that's kind of how Men's Wear Dog was born. So I created all these different social accounts for Bodie and two days later, our blog was featured on GQ. And he was touted as, the dog that dresses better than your boyfriend. Hi, Amber. Hi, Gabe. Nice to finally meet you guys. Heard so much about you two. I'm very, very excited to first introduce you to the star. Oh, this is doing a 360. Bodie and Luke are my favorite subjects, and I wanted to sort of challenge you to use your creative mind and incorporate your pet or friend's pet to put together an incredible photo shoot during this quarantine time. Well, hey, it's so nice to meet you, Ayanna. This might be the funnest project that we've had. My dog is Gypsy. I've had her since she was two. She was a rescue. I fostered dogs and cats for a long time in Minneapolis when I lived there. And then she came through and it was just like love at first sight where I was like, no, I can't give her up to anybody else. I lived in Seoul, South Korea for some time, working and freelancing. And while I was there, a friend of mine worked for a rescue organization that sent dogs abroad from Korea. And my friends came and visited. They fell in love with the type of dog, Jindo. And they ended up adopting a one-year-old Jindo that they named Millie. We geeked out on your work a little bit, Ayanna. And we're really excited to kind of try to push into new spaces and elevate the work and see what we can get. I'm so excited to see what you guys come up with and see if there's any behind the scenes that we can take a look at later. But absolutely can't wait and we'll regroup in a few days to check out what happens. Hi, everyone. I hope you had a wonderful weekend. I just want to say hi again and see how the project came out. It was a little more challenging than I thought, but really great break from, you know, just shooting products and humans. So I just, we have a very small and cozy house, but so this is the said bench that we tried. I figured I wanted to try to keep it as simple as possible so she doesn't get like overstimulated and scared. So we, you know, tried to bring the cheese everywhere to get some different setups. It was all about her, like what she felt like doing. Gabe, I want to see your suite set up. So my setup was in my house that utilized natural light, two chairs. I love it. It's very classical, you know? Yeah.  Should we look into some final photos? The Jindo greed is really independent and she's very quiet, but she's very independent. She knows when she's not listening and she knows when she's listening. So it was a little bit challenging, but I started off with this shirt. This is silk, so she loved it. This photo I love right there, beautiful eyes. And then my next ones, I went very presidential with this shirt. Oh my God. Can I say that is not easy to do. I appreciate that it was not easy to do. On a dog that young, it really isn't, it looks spectacular. She's kind of ornery sometimes, but it also makes her really lovable.  So the balancing was a little difficult, but it's like a cross between scared, awkward, annoyed. So that was kind of the gist of what we had. And then I was like, oh, well maybe we can make it a little bit more exciting. So I think in post, I might like kind of mess with the background colors. Should I share a couple of things? Is that a disco ball or something going on in there? Yes, it is a disco ball. So I loved this shirt. I was like summer blues, let's do this. So we're photographing the shirt. As you can see, I put a jacket over it because it looks more natural. So here he is. Oh my God. This is one of those in between shoe moments. He's like, ow. Just raise your face. Oh my God. There's another one. It looks so cool. Thank you. Thank you. Some of the most creative art projects that I've seen challenge, perception and functionality. We see quarantine as an opportunity to explore new projects with certain boundaries to problem solve and collaborate.


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I'll tell him to line up his cousin slay Tell him to pile some nice clean strode and tell him what's that?  Yeah, still coming down. Oh, it's so beautiful isn't it? Yeah, beautiful say Yeah, the delicate tracery of those their branches. Yeah branches say and the fresh fallen snow So blue in the shadows and where the sun catches it the way it shimmers. Yeah shimmers.  No, I better not it's all over snow and besides I've got a lot of other calls to make We'll step into the hall anyway Say Eve, how'd you well, I will take this scarf off Christmas presents that keeps getting in my mouth Say Eve, how'd you like to go for a sleigh ride a sleigh ride? Oh, I think that would be wonderful We're on there. Would you get a sleigh? Well, Floyd Munson's cousin's got one. He delivers milk in oh Well, I think that would be fun fun. You bet it's fun country so beautiful right now I'd love to drive out and see something Well, you wouldn't see too much. We'd be going at night the tomorrow night that is but why don't night more fun that way Well, I've never gone on midnight Come on Eve everybody else is going. Oh, we wouldn't be alone alone. Oh, well in that case Sure, you'll have plenty of chaperones all the Jolly boys will be there. Oh Well, I don't know. They're all nice fellows Eve every one of course some are nicer than others But we keep an eye on him Well, I should wouldn't be a sleigh ride without you Eve the fellows were all counting on you to be the Queen of the winter carnival so to speak Isn't he be going peevee? Well, it's missy peevee goes on listen peevee wouldn't miss it. You go if I have to drag it Until your friends the queen is honored and accept the Glad you could make it Eve see you tomorrow night. You'll call for me here. I'll be here with bells on Well, I know you don't know me very well But gosh miss Fenwick the boys were all counting on you for and queen of the sleigh ride and now if you let them down Well at a girl see you tomorrow Well, your mother wouldn't have to know would she We wouldn't have to drive right up in front.  They were sort of counting on you to be the queen of the sleigh ride Eight o'clock tomorrow Say you haven't got a friend have you hi commissioner only you two making all this noise I thought she had the whole metropolitan chorus up here in a couple of dogs Oh, no commissioner only us dogs Just killing time to the rest came. Oh, where are they? What's the matter? Listen, we got to get all our arrangements made tonight or they won't be any sleigh ride tomorrow Well peeve ought to be a long soon. He closes up. I don't know about the judge already wasn't feeling so good Yes, how is the judge is anybody heard the old goat? What's the matter with him? He's got the flu or the pepper something. Oh Come to think of it. I haven't heard from the old gent in two or three days Kind of a relief as a matter of fact if nothing serious chief. I don't know. I suppose we could call him Who's that? That you peeve Well, here comes TV. Maybe he'd know Well All present are accounted for now except hooker say, how is the judge TV have you heard? Yeah, how is he? I'm afraid that's okay.  Oh, that's too bad Yeah, really? I mean really sick.  Yeah, is he bad? Well, I'm not a physician gentlemen. Do we know that I don't like to make a diagnosis without having seen the patient Even if I did I couldn't because I We know all that peepee But how is he well, I think I haven't seen the judge. I only know what I've heard. Well, what are you here? Well, I didn't hear that from dr. Pettibone. He's out of town. That's right. I know I give him a going away haircut so Evidently the judge or his housekeeper called him dr. Freedon never heard of him. Who's he he's new doctor young call He lives over on the other side of town. Don't he ever get a haircut? Just never mind that What did he say TV? Well, I really don't know him well enough to be too inquisitive, but I'll say this for dr. Freedon, he may be young, but he writes a nice legible prescription never mind how he writes What did he say? Yes, tell us baby. Well, you know doctors. They don't say much But I was wrapping up his prescription and I asked him casually how judge hooker was and he tripped his head Oh, that's bad. Of course. I don't know whether he was shaking his head over the judge's health or his disposition, but What I go by is this He wrote out a pretty strict prescription for the old gentleman. Yeah Tennessee Tennessee. Oh, that's usually a last resort, isn't it? They use it They use it to treat pneumonia. I know that and yes truth. I knew in certain types cases Oh, the judge is no chicken anymore fellas wouldn't take much to carry him off gosh And to think only last Saturday was sitting right there in that chair looking just as natural. Yeah That's right boys That's when I'd like to make a motion if I may. Yeah, please go ahead In view of the circumstances, I think we should postpone our sleigh ride tomorrow night I don't hey, but what about the girl? He's right I don't think we should hold our sleigh ride without the judge besides our hearts wouldn't be in it Well, what about the girls after we went and asked them and everything toyed it wouldn't look right Yeah, maybe you're right It's been moved and seconded that we postpone our annual sleigh ride scheduled for tomorrow night and that our lady guests be so notified All in favor I nominate Gillis leave a committee a one to disappoint the girls. No wait a minute. Well, you started it You invited colors I'd like to make a motion of my own if you'll give me a chance Go ahead chief. I'd like to move that the judge's empty chair there be set apart as his exclusively with a Suitable plaque if well the chief I think we ought to wait on the plaque So we you know see how things turn out. It's a nice thought. Well, maybe so I was just thinking what Floyd said How he could remember him? Sitting there like it was yesterday. I guess we all can And I thought it'd be nice if we did something Gentlemen, why don't we do something the judge can enjoy that is if he can enjoy anything now like what for you be Well, if you could send him some little token something useful, maybe like a hot water bottle Flowers that's what you send the invalid. Yeah flowers. Why don't we send him some flowers roses are nice The judge is always puttering around among his roses. They smell nice too. He probably couldn't smell them heads probably stopped up You're always finding fault. All right, so it isn't stopped up Maybe they got him in an oxygen tent by now for all we know.  He likes them give him roses just so it ain't Lily Floyd I think that last remark was in bad taste. Oh, he started it. I don't think the judge would want us quarreling over him before he's Dead even I don't think that's such hot taste. I didn't mean it that way What I mean is I think the judge would want us all to be jolly boys and carry on just as if he was Well As if he was here chief is right. That's the way I'd want it. Yes, sir I wouldn't want my friends all sitting around here with long faces Let there be no moaning at the bar when I put out to see You know what I think we ought to do fellas. I think we ought to have a song now you're talking Oh gentlemen Do you think we really ought to one of the judges favorite the judge had wanted that way PV tried Judged one at that way. Well, you know what the judges favorite is. Yeah, but who's gonna take the solo part The judge usually takes that that's why it's his favorite. I Will take the solo Floyd. No, why you the judge would want it that way. I think he's right Give us a chord I Can't do it boys. I can't do it. It's not the same without the judge. No, it's not Just like he was this man I move we adjourn before we make fools of our town The great killed his slave will be back again in a few moments. I Suppose mr. 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A. Y. Park a margarine made by the craft foods company Now let's get back to the great gilder slave Gilder slave and his niece and nephew have been to church at being Sunday We join the family as they shuffle homeburn through the snowy streets Lee Roy, I want you to shovel the snow off our front walk the very first thing after dinner After dinner after dinner today today. This is Sunday. I don't care if it's Be sure and do it the first thing Monday morning Okay, maybe by Monday, it'll be melted. I'm hungry. I hope for he's got a good dinner for it.  I'm sorry Well, we can just sit quietly till it's ready Program educational a football quiz We'll just sit quietly my boy. You might go up and wash your hands. I watched them for church. I guess you'll do then Maybe I should call up and find out how he is Yes, why don't you don't like to phone his house at a time like this? Still Ask if there's anything we can do wonky. I will well, could there be doesn't matter. There might be some little error Hello, Mrs. Fogel. Yeah, this is mr. Gillers leaf. I don't like to intrude a time like this But at the same time being such a close friend How is he Mrs. Fogel? I See oh Well, I might stop by this afternoon with some flowers, but if you think not I'll come by then Hey, thank you, Mrs. Fogel What's the word on not good poor old horse? Well, I want you children always to remember him remember all he's done for you the interest he's taken in you The interest which has gone far far beyond the call of duty He's been a good friend to all of us a friend and inspiration. What does Mrs. Fogel say? Well, you know how hard it is to get anything out of her. Oh, she's such an old craze hangers I wish I'd given him a Christmas present now give you Nothing we made an agreement not to give each other anything this year Naturally, I didn't think he meant it. So I got him some pipe tobacco But then he never gave me anything so I took the tobacco back to PV's I'm sorry now. Well, I guess well you can give it to him. I will to buy George. I surely will I will not have you shouting at Bertie Found that we've got to learn to communicate with each other quietly around here I've been meaning to speak to Bertie about it, too Leroy asked Bertie to come here for a moment Go out in the kitchen and ask her one of the signs will well run household is a quiet peaceful atmosphere Remember that Marjorie.  I'm liable to slip once in a while Just kind of watch it with your birdie. Yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I did not bother anybody He's worried today birdie about judge hooker. That's not matter with the judge.  You've been a good friend of ours hasn't he Bertie? Yes, sir He sure has but I surprised you here is a bachelor eating in restaurants all the time Man's got to have home cooking if he wants to live a long time She only comes in two days a week. Yes, sir. Man's got to have home cooking. That's probably important Bernie But the judge has pneumonia home cooking that's bad for yes, sir home cooking And our birdies all upset you see how fond everyone is of the judge birdies always like him Sorry, I ever called him an old goat Not that I ever meant anything by it. He was a fine man Fine man. I want you children to try to be like him remember that No, no Just be like him his fine manly qualities. Okay be like him.  He was manly. That's for you He was also upright kind honest straight for it. That's for both of you for all of us Okay, they are about piggy in the manual training teacher Think of judge hooker That will do Just sit with your hands folded the dinner is ready get inside Floyd try to keep your voice down Will you why pick me out? I've been around Have you rang the bell yet? I'm cold. Oh stop whining Pee-hee for heaven's sake. Let's think about the judge a little shall we That's right fellas. Let's think about the judge after all. He's the one that He's the one she gives she's coming Good afternoon, Mrs. Fogel. We're a little group of the judge's best friend We've come to pay a little visit and bring him some flowers. Yeah Some flowers. I don't know if you can see him or not. You'll have to ask the doctor you can Men and wait until the doctor gets here if you like. Thank you You gentlemen will just leave your coat here in the hall. I think I'll keep mine on if you don't mind Yeah, me too. We won't be hanging around very long and if you'll just come in the parlor watch they Seems awful quiet Where is he Mrs. Fogel? His room's directly above. Oh Well, we'll just sit here Has there been any change in his condition? No, no change. I see What is this condition he just stays about the same Maybe the doctor can tell you something when he comes although he never tells me anything That's your bad time. Yeah, right Well, and you gentlemen will excuse me Have some work to tend to right ahead. Mrs. Fogel. We we don't want to be any bother. That's all right, Mr. Gilding It just don't seem possible. There's a trouble right now about the judge Well, only a week ago. He was a regular old self lively cheerful with a twinkle in his eye You know, yeah, he looked okay to me last time he was in the shop five days ago He was in for a trim and he climbed right up in the chair just his chipper and I saw him when he and I thought he looked a little Peeked and again, maybe that's just fine. Sorry Just think baby. I guess you were the last one that So oh no, I wasn't I saw him Wednesday, but I saw him after peevee. Well, what time did you see him commissioner? That's three o'clock in the afternoon. When do you see him peevee? Not four. Well, now wait a minute On second thought I believe I saw him around 430. I thought you said three. I saw him at 430 I was the last man that saw him alive He came back to the store again around five. Why don't you stick to your story? You're just trying to get some glory out of it. No, I wouldn't say that. Yes, you are fellas Judges laying up there and how do you think this so she's right well him laying up there And us hiding down here. I didn't mean anything. She's back. Well, neither did I The last thing I'd want to do after all I guess I was closer to the judge than the rest of us like Ducks here were I've known him 20 years. I've been cutting his hair 20 years a Bobby gets to know a fellow pretty well Well, I've known him 25 years personally and professionally and I've been selling him liver pills for 30 years Well under the circumstances that's nothing to brag about Anyway, the judge was practically a member of my family one of the finest men I ever knew. Yes, sir What a heart good old horse. Yeah, he was true blue Well, you never know when your time is gonna come up. We're here today and gone tomorrow Tempest huge it. What'd you say PV? He said tempest fugitive that's French. It means time flies. Oh Oh What's up? Hey, what's going on upstairs judge? You must be delirious Sounds like you haven't as bad Mrs. Fogo quick the chicken My broth on time. Here it is 315 Well, what's it thinking to you fellas doing here glad to see you hooker. We thought you were dead. I mean dying Well, I'm not what's more I can prove it. I'll be darn who started this room. Yes, where did come from PV? He's the one you told us. He was a death door. No, I didn't say that. How do you like that? He's no sicker than I am course now See how about a game of cards come on up to my room my eye We can call up the girls again and have our sleigh ride good idea Tell us please nothing to matter with you you old goat you spoil our sleigh ride in the first place Come on fun, but gilded some flowers judge so long. It's a long horse. Go on back to bed They eat look at that beautiful moon. Isn't it beautiful? Say, aren't you cold? That's not you might snuggle up a little I'm cold you are. Oh, I'm freezing At a girl Oh, no, I ain't so bad. Am I PV so I'm your terrible, and I'm cold you should have brought a girl They made we could sing a song warm PV up. How about a song chief? Good idea start something commisioner Well, let's see any you girls know and diners quilling party.  Okay? Dolly boys quartet in the sky the bright stars glittered On the banks the pale moon shower And the strong and diners Quilting party. We were seeing Nelly home We were seeing Nelly home be in her home. We were seeing Nelly home Be in her home and was from and diners quilting party. We were seeing Nelly They followed you know something well watch a mission and glad hooker couldn't come along. 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Item number SCP-365 Object Class Euclid Special Containment Procedures SCP-365 is to be kept in its testing pool at all times. The door to the pool is to be locked and guarded by one security guard. Experiment requests must be approved by a level 3 researcher. Description SCP-365 is a green pool noodle made of polyethylene foam. By itself, it displays no unusual properties and is physically identical to a typical noodle of similar size. SCP-365's unusual properties manifest only when it is placed in a body of water. When a subject completely submerges in said body of water, they become unable to get out. Subjects report a sense of dread and describe themselves in an infinite sea, swimming endlessly in a direction and finding only more water. It is important to note that to outside observers, the subject simply seems to be flailing in place. The only way to remove a submerged person from the water is to remove SCP-365 negating its effects. All other methods of rescue have failed. Cables and ropes have exhibited an unnatural resistance and snapped. Drainage systems have failed and human intervention has led to data expunged. Addendum 365-1 SCP-365 was discovered and on date undisclosed. Retrieval personnel found it at the public pool along with the bodies of several civilians. Because SCP-365's properties were unknown at the time, agents lost their lives. SCP-365 was eventually found and removed from the pool, and carbon monoxide from an improperly maintained water heater was used as a cover story. Addendum 365-2 On date undisclosed, researcher discovered that hallway 19 of storage site 23 was flooded. Said researcher noticed water leaking from SCP-365's storage locker at a rate of 5 liters per minute. She quickly notified Dr. Poo who opened the locker to find SCP-365 producing water from its holes. SCP-365 was subsequently moved to its testing pool where upon the flow of water stopped. SCP-365's containment procedures have been changed accordingly. Lesson complete. If you missed the previous orientation, go watch SCP-364, Ionian Drop Point, right now. Or for the complete course, watch this playlist.


Preseason has been short, so we've been trying to figure out our pairs. We haven't had a lot of time to really pair everybody up and get everybody to play with everyone else. And chemistry is really an important part of beach volleyball, especially because you just have one partner instead of an entire team. So we want to see who matches up really, really well. A lot of the guys are newer to the, everybody's new to the team, of course, but a lot of the guys are new to the school and the university as well. And Coach Englund and I haven't had a chance to even see them play and Coach Borgiati, none of us have seen them play yet. So that was something last week. It was a little bit tough to say, okay, what are our pairs? This person might be eligible to play tomorrow and just trying to see everyone play. Our expectations were exceeded. We have some very, very good talent, skilled, athletic. We have a lot of players that really, really want to get better, that want to improve, that want to make the best of this program and be winners. And so my expectations are that we are going to grow quickly. We're going to develop well, and we are going to be a competitive force. Are we going to beat certain schools like Weber that have been around forever and have an established program? Yeah, eventually, but not this season. But as long as we're competitive and we make our showing, that's something that as a university, not just our coaching staff, we would be proud of. We wish we had a longer season. Hopefully that's going to, that'll come later. But in a way, that's also going to be a strength because we get to go through a lot of skills. We get to do a lot of different pair combinations, and they're learning and growing at a ridiculous rate. So the evolution of the team as a whole, it's a really fast upward track. Yeah, the program's really new. It's less than two weeks old, so all three of us coaches, Coach Bella, Coach Lon and I were brought in late in the summer, so we haven't had a chance to, at that point we hadn't had a chance to see the guys. So that was pretty tough. That's one of the bigger challenges. And just trying to get everything together, coming in and getting the travel schedule set, getting the lift schedule set, getting guys eligible health-wise and trying to figure out pairings. And it takes a little time to get the players to trust us as coaches, for us to trust them as players and for us to work between our, you know, as a coaching staff as well. So all of that takes a little bit of time and we're trying to do that, all accomplish all those things in hyperspeed. We're getting there. Just got, you know, our Stevens in gear, and so we're getting there and getting a good schedule set.


Shoms is here everybody. You can see him on run it back Monday to Thursday. You're gonna hide your phone for me For now for now. Okay weird, um, please welcome MLB insider Shamsha Rania shams. Let's talk about this. You were the one to break the Otani mega deal to the Dodgers You're you should you be doing this? Listen, I try to have my ears the streets. You know, I try to be quick, you know Efficient and so I just I try that you never know what might hit your phone at any given moment What kind of call you'll get? On the corner of like NBA and and not like why were you why were you in those MLB streets? You know and I fell as well Martavius Bryant when he signed with the Cowboys, you know I got a little bit of heat from that too, you know, you never know You know what you might get on your phone, so I always keep an open Did you get heat for this from the MLB insider world? I love that like in the workings There's always, you know something that comes your way, but we were above that, you know Was the response from MLB fans did they take you seriously? Here's my question You don't have you don't have a contract numbers though, right? I did not not at the time Like if I got those on my phone, I would say I wouldn't believe it I'd be like check the decimal points. I would believe it for this though 700 million I mean we knew he was gonna he was gonna get the bag And so when when Mookie Betts told you this deal was going down. How did you respond? That's not who gave me my information Where's Cody Bellinger going Cubs Toronto, I don't know but I'm gonna get on that now get on that I don't know that's somebody somebody from the back row asked me that we're gonna be rejoining Fandle TV right now Of course, you can see shams guys on run it back Monday through Thursday where an MF was dropped this morning There are trying to get a couple MF's, you know, Michelle Beatles out here saying standing on business She's saying no cap on live TV, you know, I think Lou Williams coming in She was singing as we re-enter singing TV. She's saying slangs that she never had said in her life Like I think it's a breakthrough moment for the show. It's a breakthrough moment for Fandle TV What kind of show is this because I walked in the studio yesterday and y'all had Austin Reeves on I just heard two other parts and go, are you single? Let's go. What kind of show is this run it back? What we're doing is we're learning from you But we're trying to lead you into your show the best way we can and I think That's one of the things we picked up from you is you know, it's carefree environment carefree environment Well, I don't drop MS on the show. I'd like to stay at the keep the FCC as happy as possible But you guys don't seem to care. Okay, let's get through some of this stuff. So the Ohtani thing happened blah, blah, blah, blah Okay, what was last night? Yeah, it was ejection palooza in the NBA the Dremont Green situation and you know Nerkic had his hand on his hip, right? But anytime you have your hand on your hip like that doesn't have you flailing in this in this play right here Nikola Yoke getting ejected. So I'll say what he said here in this moment is he looked at the rep and said call the file you mother ducker There you go. There you have happened. So that's essentially what happened and and and he got ejected for that It's not normal to like swear. Is it like not that's when Nikola Yoke are the vibe That's what Nikola Yoke said is that is is sometimes the rest let it go this time They wanted to call it. There's no consistency But channel parts on the show today. He said that he was probably riding the ref a little bit He was probably saying to the ref several times like he was probably giving him a hard time over and over So wasn't it like a national Serbian? What was that? It was national Serbian night the fans in Chicago our beloved Chicago Yeah, we're booing the home announcers were booing and so I think I texted you right away Like what happened here because I didn't look aggressive. I'm like, it was kind of ridiculous DK and trend you want to see the you want to see the best players play I don't think that there's any world where this is a one-tech ejection now if he this is consistently This is what he was doing badgering him down the floor multiple possessions fine and the dream on green play.  He's going to get suspended here For for this and we're not sure how long he just but think about the last the last year Okay, he had the punch on his teammate Jordan pool.  I liked that you just you know And and this is for incidents in the last year. He got five games the last time prior history. This is another violent play I mean, it would not surprise anyone around league if you get out the same amount 30 seconds of questions I'm we asked our friend our fans. I'm oh my gosh. Oh my gosh So, so consider diehard a Christmas movie diehard a Christmas movie Absolutely, no question. What did you want to say? I want to say it's Christmas time right now It's Christmas time right now. You know, you're from Chicago. Yeah, you know, it's the windy city You know About you and your show and I can't even give me an iPhone you might be better at opening this The world will never know oh here we go Let's see if you can open it in eight seconds Windy city just think about something that's No, it's not we're not That's your scarf windy city Something that's fashionable.  Was this a joke shout out up in atoms I feel about the show. I feel by you and Oh The TV definitely got yes, he is ladies and gentlemen


It was a chilly day for a 26.2 mile run as Saturday was the annual Blue Ox Marathon. Leaving the way for the men was a familiar face as BSU alumni and former basketball player Brock Tesdahl won his third marathon in the past four years with a record time of 236.35. The women's champ was Stacy Knowha who won with a time of 321.52, her first time running in the event and she won it by over 10 minutes. I normally run a fall marathon and I couldn't run my normal fall marathon and so this was the next best one that I chose so I'm glad I came. You know it felt like a training run. I mean it just felt like I was up for a Saturday morning run and it was just a lot of fun. I probably took off a month and a half away from running. You know I just was tired out, drained out and about three weeks ago I decided to come back and I got back in the treadmill and running outside and here I am now with a personal best here in Bemidji. Here are the top three times for the marathon. We'll have more on the event shortly in tonight's Community Spotlight. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.


Okay, thank you. I would like to welcome everyone at your session today at CBF 15. I'm Tasfiathasthi and I have prepared this presentation along with my colleague, Hassid Mohamon Irfanullah. We both are from Intersha Center for Climate Change and Development based in Bangladesh. Actually, Bangladesh is a country based in Global South and we are climate vulnerable, but adaptation has always been a key priority for us. And we have been looking for solutions from nature and ecosystem for over past many years. So in today's presentation, we would like to share stories from Bangladesh from last 20 years. And on an intervention called committee based sustainable fisheries resource management. So as you can see from the MAC that Bangladesh is blessed with lots of wetlands and diverse range of wetlands covering 50% of the total area of our country. And these wetlands are contributing to many economic activities such as fisheries and Bangladesh is ranked third in open water fisheries resources. However, these wetlands are losing connection due to sanitation and there are conversion happening due to other development activities. So these are the two major physical problems that our wetlands are currently facing across the country. Other than that, there are destructive fishing practices which lead to over consumption of fishing resources in an unsustainable manner. And in addition to that, local communities have limited rights and restricted access to these resources and which make them more vulnerable and poor. So, to address these societal and other environmental challenges associated with the wetland issues in our country, Bangladesh has been practicing the solution called committee based sustainable fisheries management for over past 20 years. In this solution we are bringing the all the remote wetlands under one management practice which enhances the connectivity of the wetlands. Other than that, government is endorsing the the the permit and zoning modality to to allow the community to harvest the fish in a sustainable manner. And thus, within this governance structure, there is a bottom up like government is ensuring bottom up approach with CBA for CBO formation and capacity building of the communities, which is ensuring communities access to to to these fishing resources from the wetlands. And with the introduction of benefit sharing mechanism within the system, the communities and the committee based organizations are receiving their portion of the benefits out of this intervention. So, as this approach is addressing the human well being in one hand and other hand, the fishing resources benefits. We are calling this intervention as an successful in DS. But let us look into the outcomes also in detail that what are the benefits that we are that we have achieved or outcomes that we have achieved. Starting with the governance benefits. There is multi tire governance structure introduced by implementing in this intervention from the village level. So it is ensuring the bottom up approach. Other than that it is involving all the local, like local regional national level stakeholders. So, so there is involvement of all group of stakeholders, which is, which is managing, like, which is transferring this intervention into a collaborative management system and this whole structure is supported by government policy and legal instruments. Then coming to the social benefits as communities are integral part of this intervention. So there, there is happening like true capacity building and professional training. During this project period. The there, there has been leadership building and empowerment of the local communities and through these leadership and empowerment sense of rights, like ownership of rights and beliefs has been established established within the local community so that they can sustainably harvest the fishing resources within from these wetlands and awareness and other motivational campaigns also generate a sense of belonging among the communities to conserve the wetland resources and and to manage their social groups. Then coming to the economic and socio economic benefits the permit and zoning based fishing modality has increased the in the fish production and these has allowed the other local communities to involve in the fishing in a sustainable manner which is generating employment. Then permit sales revenue also comes to the communities and CEOs for these for for many common community development activities and this is providing local economic benefits, other than that the households are like could avail more fish consumption which is leading to the food security. Lastly, but last but not not the least, let's talk about the environmental benefits that we have received with for this from this intervention. Limits on harmful fishing practices and has been done to voluntary banning of fishing during the peak season peak spawning season and and and there's increase in the fish catch and also the illegal minimizing the illegal harvest resources has has benefited the aquatic life. I think I have one minute left so yes. If this is my last slide. So now talking about the challenges. Though, though this is a good and success case stories, but there are some still there are some in a in adequacy in the policies stage, because the mainstreaming of the good practices in the national government plans and budget allocation is still a challenging thing here, but here in Bangladesh we are graduating from the LDC to the lower middle income status so there is a need to shift, need a shift in mindset to to not be more project or donor given and there should be more allocation or mobilization of national financial resources. Secondly, as community is a is a dynamic system a dynamic setting implementation of nbs and scaling up potential sometimes face challenge due to lack of the due like due to local culture norms behavior practices and local politics because sometimes we cannot follow the exact methodology when we work with the community. And my last point would be that as we are always trying to see or the single result from the bottom top down approach, we really need to understand the social and environmental cost and benefits from committee perspective to gather the evidence to enhance the community resilience. So that's how I would stop my presentation, and I would like to invite you all, if you if you ever would like to see this intervention please come to Bangladesh so I'll stop here Thank you so much. Thank you, Taspia. So now the next case study is presented by Florencia Zapata and myself from the Institute of the mountain in Peru. Flor, you are muted. Thank you. Sorry. Good morning. Good evening, everybody. We are going to present a case of ecosystem based adaptation in the Caribbean and this and nature and cultural based solution for food security. As many of you may know, and the ecosystem are the result of the evolution of societies and their natural environment for more than thousands of years and gender cultures that have been developing outstanding technologies for the management of water, water, soil and genetic resources. These technologies, both ancient and present are expressions of complex system of knowledge developed by and the populations that are very specific solutions to stay in life in this territory of extreme climate and topography. Currently, the use of those technologies could be a great ally for helping mountain communities to adapt to climate change. However, many of them are being abandoned or underutilized due to various social and environmental changes, such as migration, leisure retreat and climate variability. Today, we want to share the case of the mountain ecosystem based adaptation program that was implemented in six countries since 2013 by Instituto de Montaña, IUCN and many allies with the support of Ikifan. In Peru, the project was implemented in Noreadios Cocha Landscape Reserve, which is located in the central Andes of Lima and Hunin. Here you can see the different ecosystem that are present in the area. Here communities have been managing water and grasslands in order to develop intense and grow pastoral food system. Management water was the key to the food system. However, there are traditional technologies that was used to distribute water are facing many challenges. Impacts of climate change such as leisure retreat and water scarcity are already affecting the area and will increase in the following decades. Moreover, in the Andes, the grassland and rental ecosystem on which the livelihoods of most communities depend are threatened not only by climate change but also by other drivers of social and environmental changes. For example, here you can see the community of Miraflores that used to be dedicated mostly to agriculture, however, due to migration of young people that left the community looking for better education and work opportunities and because of the climate change of agricultural market prices and income needs, local small farmers have been moving to livestock raising, which needs less labor force and has been and has better market price. But these also have unintended effects such as degradation of grassland and wetlands, inadequate rotation of livestock because of poor water distribution and weak social organization for the management of water and grasslands. However, here we also found ancient water technologies such as the one you can see here, the Inacacha dams, which are preying as dams more than 800 years ago that currently was not in use because of lack of labor force for maintenance. This technology was used in the past for water storage and bio remediation system. Through the ecosystem based adaptation measure, we rehabilitated the ancient technology and expanded it using green-gray infrastructure. Then a new available grazing area of 165 hectares was catalyzing a process to improve the management of more than 7,000 hectares and also improve the social organization. This EBA measure was designed through three components, green-gray infrastructure through restoration of ancestral and modern infrastructure, recovery of technology for expansion and conservation of wetlands and for community management of native grasslands, strengthening local capacities and knowledge through intercultural dialogue between university researchers and local experts about practices for grass and water management and also institutional community organization strengthening and developing community grass and water management plans. And now my colleague Nicole will continue. Thank you, Nicole. Thank you, Florencia. So we want to present quickly one case study of community-led EBA, which is a truly endogenous designed by the community intervention where we observe four key conditions for self-organizing around the adoption of EBA. First is leadership. We have key leaders that provide vision and motivation. They act as knowledge holders and they link communities together, including through communications channels like the radio. We also saw that the value of water is significant, but water is valued as life, and the community's economy is fully dependent on agriculture as well as community sharing common goals for attaining water security. We also found collective choice rules were in place, including creation of community bylaws, which were modified with participatory community democracy, which is really important to secure such compliance. And we also saw rules and sanctions being in place for participation in EBA activities. Finally, we evidence norms and social capital, and these were key because social norms regulate behavior and they are embedded in Andean culture, which holds strong values and traditions of respect, cooperation and unity, as well as beliefs about respecting nature. We also found social capital that includes trust, rule compliance, reciprocity and connectedness, and it's important to know that both social norms and formal rules play a key role in the adoption of EBA. Finally, you want to share some key messages on the post-COVID recovery. So knowledge and intercultural dialogue is a key component. We know that dialogue between local knowledge and scientific knowledge has to take place, but it has to be moderated by a team that is prepared and trained in participatory methods. There's also a key aspect of local leadership and ownership, including from all stages of the process from the initial assessment to the evaluation from the diagnostic and the design of the solution. Then we have the need for them to be holistic and tailored design of the EBA, which means integrating nature-based solutions to local and regional processes and governance, as well as incorporating ancestral technologies that are being adapted to the current context. Finally, as a key content to resilience of agro-pastoral food systems, we know that water as a key element improves with EBA and this helps secure this type of food system. And in the context of a post-COVID recovery, it's key to know that the cost-benefit analysis that have been demonstrated for EBA do show that they can contribute to improve local economies in this context. With that, we end this presentation and we hand it over to our colleagues, Karen Potvin from IUCN from a case study in Ecuador. Thank you. Hi everyone. Thank you so much for your interest in this session.  So I'm going to present some experiences of ecosystem-based adaptation based on an IKI project that was implemented some years ago in the coastal province of Manabé. So basically this was a project which was implemented jointly with GICET and with the Ministry of Environment of here in Ecuador and with the municipalities and the intervention sites. So firstly I'm going to cover some of the context. So basically the project was implemented in two municipalities and the EBA measures in two parishes. So here we can see what Honorato Vasquez looks like in Santa Ana municipality and this is mainly comprised by an evergreen pre-maintained forest. And in the case of the other site, we were working also in Membridal in the municipality of Jipijapa and this is mainly comprised by a dry forest as you can see here. So besides the very rich ecosystems and the natural heritage in this province and in these two specific sites as well, Manabé is one of the provinces in Ecuador that is characterized by a very rich culture, La Cultura Manavita. So here we can see some of the examples of this. For instance, the oral tradition of tail-telling in Santa Ana and also in the case of Jipijapa, they have a lot of typical dances and they're famous for their toquilla straw hats from Jipijapa. So, however, these ecosystems and the ecosystem services that they provide are actually under strong pressure, mainly because of land use change. We're going to see some of the examples here in this diagram and what are the pressures and what are the climatic hazards. So basically we have overall in these landscapes inadequate agricultural practices. We have processes of deforestation and ecosystem degradation. We have also improvement areas for water management. We have within the farms inadequate management of goats and other animals and overall a lack of a comprehensive farm and landscape planning and also a dependency on agriculture. And actually this livelihood is what is being now affected by climate change impacts. With regards to climate change, now we're looking at a lot of variations within the rain and the drought periods as well. So we have intense and more intense and shorter rainfall periods and we have longer drought periods as well. And with this we have different consequences like for instance processes of soil erosion. We have also landslides in the upper parts. We have flooding in the lower parts of the watershed as well. And overall the climatic risk is the loss of agricultural income, which is the main livelihood due to these extreme weather events related to drought and intense rainfall. So now with our intervention strategy within this project, I would like to mention actually that this was a short project. Now we're going to start a five year project we will actually consolidate and scale up what we built between 2016 and 2018. But basically here we're going to see what was the intervention strategy, right? So we worked on a process of building several of the aspects that we saw from the previous slide and we built a package of EVA measures. So we worked on agro-biodiversity in water sustainable management, in goat and bamboo sustainable management, in ecotourism activities, in establishing also the first steps for a municipal conservation area. And overall this package of EVA measures were focused on a comprehensive farm and landscape management to reduce vulnerability and also secure and strengthen the livelihood. So we're going to see with some photos what these measures look like and what have been some of the outcomes. Within the process we worked with a participatory approach. So we worked with field schools for farmers and exchange visits and farm planning. Within agro-biodiversity we also worked with planting and management of forest and food species and productive systems in diversification, crop association and seed conservation and soil fertility and conservation practices and also in associativity and how we can market better these products as well. And these are some of the photos of the goat and bamboo sustainable management. Within food systems we also worked in one of the sites with these water harvest and optimal irrigation practices. So this was something very important how we can actually harvest the water from the rain and use it for our own food systems. With the water measure we worked also with governance so basically here what the core aspect was working in governance, establishing some conservation agreements and some of the water recharge areas and also doing some improvements on reservoirs and catchment infrastructure. Finally, we have well we have three more components so basically besides the EVA measures we've worked on capacity building with different target groups, teachers, leaders from the communities and technical staff from public institutions, universities and also from NGOs from this province as well. And with the third component we also worked in including the EVA component and NBS overall approaches within the municipal planning, and we also established the first steps in creating a water fund as a technical and financial mechanism to actually scale up these EVA practices within the watershed that actually covers nine municipalities. And finally, with the last component which was communication we also did a diagnosis and we actually used innovative strategies for instance, having soccer matches within the communities, bingo, cycling activities, photo galleries, all of this with an approach of environmental awareness. And finally we gather all of our experiences and lessons learned in our system at the station. So to conclude some of the challenges and lessons learned we have four. Firstly, increasing resilience of communities and in this case also the food systems and overall the livelihoods through nature based solutions depend greatly in social and cultural processes which we have to reinforce it. The meaning of this is not only the working on ecological process but actually the core is working on social and cultural dimension. Secondly, strengthening local governance allowed a culture of inter institutional and community coordination. So this is a favorable environment that we actually need to continue building on and this is a great environment for change. Thirdly, capacity building processes are successful by integrating local scientific multidisciplinary knowledge. And finally, the ECAD and the Mountain Institute and NBSI also mentioned these aspects of knowledge so we have to promote this and replicate. And finally, EVA in planning instruments and public policies are key for sustainable sustainability and for scaling up these approaches. So with that, I wanted to thank you. Sorry that I passed one minute and here's my contact if you have any questions here too to answer them. With this, I would like to also, I will also like to introduce to you a Maria Claudia Valdivia, she's from Practical Action, and we're going to jump again to see a case study in Peru. So go ahead, Maria Claudia. Thank you so much, Karen. Let me just share my screen. Okay, you're seeing my screen now, right? Yes, Maria Claudia. Yeah, okay. Well, thank you. Good day, everybody. I'm Maria Claudia Valdivia, the thematic leader in group business for Practical Action in Latin America. Today, I want to share our experience in growing coffee and resilience to climate change in the Peruvian Amazon. I want to share just a tiny fraction of what I have been able to see and most importantly to learn thanks to the coffee producers in the country northern area. They are the inspiration for me and Practical Action to continue working towards community-based adaptation technologies. They have shown me how this approach is not only useful but necessary towards climate action. Okay, so let's begin. Coffee is a driver for development. It is a primary source of income for over 30% of the Peruvian Amazon population. The production of this crop immensely lead by small producers, which compels 85% of it. So when the pandemic hit and heavily disrupted this change, the impact were favorable then coffee farmer families exposed to the virus, income loss and food insecurity. Something like the filter health no threat before COVID for the coffee farmers. Coffee farmer is severely affected by climate change. In the next 60 years, up to 40% of the coffee area of northeastern Peru could not longer be suitable for this crop. Places like San José de Lourdes district where Neymita Parinango and Wilmer Gonzalez who appear in this photo depend on coffee to make a living. The filter of the farmers that grow up in the consistent they depend on they all rely on the on the adaptation actions we make to improve the livelihoods of the farmers and enhance the regeneration of the lands. The communities working with Practical Action are changing the course and building a fertile future through ecosystem based and community based adaptation. To harness biodiversity and ecosystem services to reduce vulnerability and build community center resilience to climate change Practical Action is, firstly, working with communities with agroecology as a foundation and diversification as the adaptive response. We are working with multi-strate agroforestry and green businesses which have shown they can contribute to tackle the frustration and depletion of biodiversity and some fertility, improve nutrition quality and ensure food security. The diversification I just mentioned includes, for example, banana, yucca, avocado, cocoa, guinea pig production, roasted coffee and rice among other crops and activities to diversify the livelihood something Karen also mentioned in her presentation. So far we have worked in Practical Action with more than 1200 coffee farmers, reducing recent vulnerabilities to climate change effects and encourage the emergence of a 50 women group leading coffee powder initiative and several new youth lead ventures. Secondly, we work producing evidence with both the communities and the environment, interested at heart, but will cater policies to the conservation of natural resources and employment in rural communities. Like, for example, the forestry and wildlife law in which we took part, which promote agroforestry systems as a main technology for coffee production in Peru. This law enable farmers to keep producing coffee in the graded areas, but ensure the technologies they use are sustainable and the recovery of the soil. And certainly, we work ensuring sustainability and replicability through knowledge sharing. Lead farmers and associations are demonstrating they can multiply the chief outcomes of the projects we have implemented. And they disseminate their learning and scaling map the technologies in a farmer to farmer methodology. To this, to this date, we have worked with our 30 farmer leaders who are innovating and sharing within their communities. One of the community members leading this initiative is Jen Kispe and his family who is the one on these photos. He plans to restore the diverse areas around his farm. But he's also very ingenious, interpenned and produces honey, yogurt, a liquor made of coffee, and not exciting brother from his farm sustainable intensification. Jen is a driver to change in his in this community, leading and sharing his knowledge and making it possible to replicate the growth, the good practices he developed. Our goal is to contribute to community like adaptation that the strangest local agriculture for system and economies, making rural population and countries resilient for generations to come to achieve it. We must overcome challenges with the ingenuity and collaboration. At the community level, the challenge is to update this approach, we need to keep building adaptive adaptive capacity within communities to scale what works and innovate and an innovative environment to adapt to climate change. At a national level, we must contribute to the synergy between government programs and initiative related to our forestry and green businesses. There is an able policy framework for our forestry and green businesses, but need to promote integrated system for divisive production that involves sustainable and profitable and in where another way solution enter in the place. At a global level, community based adaptation is to be at the center of our ecosystem based strategies. Climate policy, especially those linked to the NDCs are recipes for success. Ecosystem based adaptation is a proven strategy to maintain or restore natural capital at a community level to ensure global transformation. Still, it needs to be sustainable and maximize its impact and it needs funding to go straight what it most needed the communities and their path towards achieving this goal. So to successfully implement ecosystem based strategies, they must be designed from a community based approach, considering the needs, context and culture of the communities as we have seen in the cases before also looking to strengthen what is already powerful and see and fixing what is not working. A recruiter is the main substance for communities. And if we want to take to talk about climate change, we need to broaden the conversation that are a recruiter and food systems. I want to thank the city organization for creating this page space in which we can connect and bring these stories to light and pre find the struggle and achievement of farmers worldwide and find the answer and desperation that translate in bigger change. Thank you so much. Well, here's my name and my contact in case you need to go broader into what we have developed and a specific project we have implemented in the field. Thank you so much. Thank you, Maria Claudia. So now we will head over to introduce the World Cafe dynamic. Let me share my screen. Okay, so up next we will be breaking out into four different groups. This is the World Cafe dynamic we will have 30 minutes in total for each group discussion. And we will randomly assign participants to these breakout groups. The discussions will center around two key questions, the ones that we presented earlier based and we will collect and respond and reflect on these questions based on these studies and participants experience. And the output of the session will to present key messages in the plenary. Just a few rules on the breakout rooms. In a moment you will be invited to one of these breakout rooms, you will have access to all the controls similar to the meeting and will be able to unmute your microphone. And we kindly kindly ask you to also turn in your video so that we can see and meet who's in the room. Please, if you need any help during this, this time, you can click on the ask for help button in the, in the bottom of the screen. And then you can confirm the, the request of assistant by inviting the host into the room. And the breaker rooms will end automatically after 30 minutes, but we will provide a five minute warning up ahead of time. And of course you can leave leave the breakout group at any time. So with these instructions, I will hand it over to our colleague sugar who will help us to divide into different breakout groups. And we will see you all in these rooms. Hello everyone, welcome back. Now we're having the plenary session where each group will present for about four minutes each to share with everyone the discussions or rich discussions that have been going on in your groups. And we have from each group, we will take turns. So perhaps we can go over to the first group and please read out the question that was discussed. The first question that's individual to your group before sharing the key points. And then please read out the second question, even though we all know it because we've all answered the second question. And from then, we will head over to the takeaway messages. So over to the first group who was in charge of the first question. Okay, I don't know who's presenting. Can you go to the first question, please? Okay, yeah. So I'm going to read the first question. What are key success factors for community led design planning implementation and mbl of nature based solutions for resilient food systems. So first we consider understanding the systems and build strong linkage between actors, you know, agricultural water energy, all of those resources, understanding the diversity of communities. They are not homogeneous and consider this for the design and implementation process because these communities are different and are built are different. They have different interests needs resources and all of that you need to consider when when designing or planning and nbs. They need to have a bottom up approach, need a strong community led involvement at grassroots level. You know to involve the community from the very beginning of the planification it will also make the implementation of the project easier. And it will also help to the sustainability of the project. So we have a robust monitoring, evaluate evaluation and learning systems through the implementation to ensure measuring the benefits and that the communities are getting the benefits. And finally sustainability to ensure ensure a long term process with access to funding from local governments and other institutions or organizations. So we have those five key points. I don't know if the team wants to add something a little bit something something else, or should we just move on to the next. Okay, so, um, yeah, our next question. What, what are critical aspects and or ideas of food, food system resilience to climate change. There's nothing about it of silos but the, as we said the inter linkage in the social ecosystems and across sectors that is needed, diversity of communities and context interventions are not one feet. One feet fits all recipe as we said these are different communities with different interest and resources and complementarity of local and scientific knowledge these traditional and local knowledge all have these approach, you know that nature needs to be better and that we all need to benefit from the service of nature. So, complementarily of local and scientific knowledge and, well, we all have these local and traditional knowledge. So, those were the three key points we have from these questions. Again, I don't know if the team wants to add one more or if we missed one. No, I think it was a, these were the main aspects discussed. Nothing else to add or someone else from the group. Maybe. Maybe I would like to add a final question we didn't have time to answer that resilience looks different after COVID. Okay, yes, thank you. Thank you. Well, that's from from our group, Nicole. In our group, Maria and Amber offered to present the messages. Nicole is going to Yes, next slide. Next slide. Thank you. Okay. Well, we're displaying a past version, I think, but hopefully there's enough information that has still to be edited and made concise. But I'm sure Maria and Amber can put forward a few of the key ideas that at least make sense to them. So over to you. Thank you very much if I can start to get the ball rolling. What was coming out very as being critical is to ensure that even if we have communities like local civil societies who are leading, we should ensure that we involve the communities because at times just because a local NGO is leading doesn't mean that they are involving the community and that they are acknowledging the local indigenous knowledge systems and they are actually taking them into consideration in their in their approaches. And that was also very key that right from the beginning there's also needs to acknowledge the critical role which these are the best adaptation and local knowledge systems play in terms of facilitating resilient food systems. And an example was given for Zimbabwe, most of the local indigenous biodiversity and knowledge systems are going because they are not being documented since culturally these knowledge systems are passed on from generation to generation in an oral kind of tradition. So there's also need for us to bring in mapping of the systems and also to try and identify which key for which particular area. And then there's also the need for an important need for scientific proof. So therefore the scientists also need to be aligned in terms of how can they support and bring in even better clarity and also validate these traditional local systems and also validate the impact of the equal based adaptation systems. So that is also it is also critical that the communities are empowered to recognize the value of their knowledge and also how important that experience which they possess is in terms of ensuring resilient food systems. So it is key that there is an integration of the knowledge systems. Even if it is time consuming, there's also need for us to invest more time in the first phase of understanding these local perspectives and also the local needs and also use participatory processes when we are doing that. So it's important that more than eight months are needed, at least for us to understand so that there's a participatory assessment which is taking place. So most of the development partners and other key players in the sectors, they also lack the humility or the time to listen to communities. They just bring top down approaches and they don't take the time to really listen to what the communities have because within those communities, they also hold solutions which they've been using for centuries and for decades as they adapt and evolve with what is happening currently. So it's important that the humility in that these particular knowledge systems and cultural heritage identities are not lost within the new era which we are living in. So community based efforts also need to be enhanced so that we listen more clearly and we also avoid the top down approach. So I think basically even at policy level, there's need for the policy to acknowledge the importance of these major based solutions and also see how they can build on existing community needs resources and priorities and not on what they think is correct. I'm not sure I'll hand over to my colleague to add on if I've left anything. I think you've covered everything Maria thank you very much and I think that's everything from our group. Maybe next slide Amber you can help us. Absolutely. I'm not going to run in short on time but the from the perspective of our group and taking into account everything that Maria kindly included some of the critical and aspects and ideas that we discussed of regarding food resilience or food system resilience rather to climate change. We had a lot of great examples including from Zimbabwe, including about conserving local knowledge that may be disappearing and obviously you can read more details on the slide. But incorporating sort of ecosystem and degradation and biodiversity loss that traditional and local knowledge. That's where the like key solutions lay and so providing sort of technical support and other sort of, you know, scientific knowledge to support and sort of provide technical backstopping is a critical component of sort of incorporating traditional and local knowledge into ecosystem based adaptation and nature based solution approaches, including, you know marginalized perspectives from women and other sort of different communities. So that can be a really critical component, especially in food systems where a lot of that traditional knowledge and local knowledge is held by women. Thank you Amber. So over to the third group. Thank you very much. We were so much involved in the discussion we could have selected a volunteer president, but I'm requesting that that's where you present our discussion on the highlights and our colleagues, the group members can, can add. This is something. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Dr. Haseeb. Shubu, can you go to the next slide please. So thank you. Basically, we were as as Dr. Haseeb mentioned we were so involved in the discussion that we could not cover the common question so we basically like took a deep dive in the in the governance aspect related question. So what we, in our session we started with talking about the communities that how genuine local participation is really important, not mere consultation to to for any effective nature based solutions and and we talked about that how actual community led solutions are sometimes are often missing because because donors are implementing project. We say that we we take community perspectives or community participation, but, but, but I think this is something we need to take seriously and we can take this message from there. And also we discussed that how we need to truly value the local and traditional knowledge while designing the solutions, not just incorporating it but rather than taking the solutions from the ground. And, and we also discussed that when when local organizations or local governments are basically involved with the communities while implementing any solutions that we are doing in many projects, but sometimes there are shortage of capacity within those local organizations so that is something we need to take into consideration. Also, what we have discussed in our group on the knowledge perspective that okay we go to the ground we take the knowledge from the ground and we always talk about that, incorporating those knowledge in the national level planning but sometimes we need to go to the other way around also that we do the research and we take those action action or things in the ground to implement so that they can, they can solve those problems or solve those challenges. And yes, we have talked about I think the fifth point is also on the communities, like our colleagues from friendship practical action and shared very good examples on on on these actual committee and local involvement. We have talked around governance issues and it was very interesting is that we know that government support is very important to deliver the effective in the nbs but oftentimes government support needs to become into form into different forms and those forms are often like prioritization of of any any issues or any agendas, relevant policies and and funding and capacity of the government and sometimes these are missing in in the top down in sorry in the top in the top approach. So, while we also say that these are the needs in the ground. Those are not often be possible to implement or the government does not have the priority to implement all those solutions. So we have captured few other more other information should we can you go to the next slide please. Thank you. So, and interestingly, when we talk about nbs we, we, you know that there are two solutions, so two aspects coming one is human well being and one is biodiversity benefits so we should not always talk about environmental and biodiversity problems we need to focus on the major societal or development related challenges for example health related challenges poverty poverty issues because sometimes those are the things that the community actually need to to empower to to have proper empowerment. And we also discussed about how it is important to measuring the economic environmental and social impact when there is any intervention on the ground because oftentimes we do monitoring and evaluation, but, but, but all these detail aspects are sometimes missing and the practical action has shared like like some examples and work they're doing, they're doing here in this aspect. And lastly we talked about like we touched upon the gender issue and while gender we got two things one on the challenge speed. Like though we are involving the communities in implementing the solution, but but due to cultural and other beliefs, it is a challenge. And we finally we discussed that gender lens in implementing and monitoring is very important. I'll stop here because we could not cover the next one. If anyone has anything to add. Please feel free to add something. Thank you so we might move on to the fourth group now over to Chris or to the volunteer. I'd like to invite Janet Edmund to come in if we can go to the next slide so she can see it. Thank you guys very much for this great discussion I think a lot of what we discussed in our group has been already captured in the conversation. Our question you can see is how do nature based solutions contribute to economic recovery. And I think maybe one thing that hasn't necessarily been mentioned is really to have the evidence of the different types of nature based solutions that work and have worked, and then to ground them very practically in the communities and the local context. We did hear a lot already about the gender lens and being very important, critical to look at that as well as youth, I think which was very much brought out in the earlier presentations. And I think when you go on to the next question we were looking at what are the critical aspects for food systems and ecosystem based adaptation and we had some really good points about the need to diversify for crops and income in order to be able to meet local needs, and then also supply chain, and looking at those opportunities to tap into where the needs are to, you know, adapt the products and services, and, and then really look at supply chain logistics in terms of web based opportunities. So, if anyone else wants to add, please go ahead, but it was quite a, quite a pleasure to be working in this group and hear all of this great knowledge. Thanks. Yeah, I think what we were talking about a lot was context. It's very difficult to make meaningful suggestions on responses, but, but if you do work, strong work between communities and development agencies in a context, you can, you, it's a win win nature based solutions actually are a win win, because it's diverse. It's working with the assets people have. And COVID has brought markets closer, although there are some immediate impacts which we people are really, really struggling with so I think there is this gap with how you cope with the immediate livelihood needs, and then maybe what can build back better using nature based solutions in the long term. But yeah, it was an interesting discussion. And I think generally positive, but the big one takeaway is we need the evidence to get people to invest and support in this. Thank you, Chris. And thank you, Janet. Those are excellent points. And now we're going to hand it over to our colleague Hannah Reid from IED. She will share with us our key takeaway messages from today's session. And then we will go over to take a group picture to end the meeting. Thanks, Nicole. It's been a great session and I'm privileged to be able to provide some last minute reflections on some of the things that we've heard, and also my experience in the field I've worked in nature based solutions for 20 years. So I want to tell you a little bit about a project that I led by IED, IUCN and UNEP, WCMC looking at whether nature based solutions to climate change adaptation are effective. So that's the same as EVA, ecosystem based adaptation. We looked at 13 case study sites, and we found that ecosystem based adaptation was effective. And one of the key lessons that we learned was that stakeholders and we interviewed hundreds of stakeholders in all our case studies. Stakeholders routinely and very clearly articulated that participatory processes and valuing indigenous and local knowledge was a major contributor to building adaptive capacity. That was a key component to project success. And I think we're hearing this from the case studies that we've heard today really strongly articulating this. One thing I want to mention is what do we mean by participation. And some of you have raised this important point already. Participation is defined in different ways by different people. There are challenges from self mobilization where people take initiatives independently of external institutions. Then it goes down to interactive approaches where people participate in joint analysis. And it might include things like the farmer to farmer sharing and the field schools that we learned about in Ecuador and Peru earlier. Then it goes down to consultation where external professionals define the problem, define the solution, and maybe they get some local input. And then at the bottom end of the scale of participation is information giving or passive approaches where people may or may not provide any inputs, and they're basically told what's going to happen to them. What we mean by participation is really important. And I think we've seen a lot of the case studies say articulating great strong participation. In my study, we also had examples in China and Peru different from the Peru examples you heard earlier, which were close to the self mobilization end of the spectrum. Activities were largely community led. So at the Andean Potato Park in Peru, Andean cultural values and identity built high levels of agro biodiversity and resilient ecosystems.  On the other end of the spectrum, we had a study in Bangladesh, again, different from the one that you heard earlier, which was really community based. So the one in Bangladesh was a was a top down government program to conserve the hillshed fish. And it was largely top down. And it was interesting but stakeholders that we interviewed at that case study, some of them said it would have really benefited and been stronger if there had been more community involvement. And communities were, you know, largely passive recipients of the project and they could have been integrated more to make it more successful. So that's one question what do we mean by participation. The other thing we found from our broader study was just the huge range of indigenous knowledge and local knowledge that was used. Knowledge relating to conservation, farming methods, soil and water conservation, forest protection. I mean, it just went on and on, it was brilliant. And I think the case studies that you've seen here really demonstrate that the breadth of local and indigenous knowledge that can be integrated into nature based solutions to climate change adaptation planning. I was particularly struck by the, the, the water management technologies in Peru shared by Florencia. So, we know that adopting participatory processes and valuing indigenous and local knowledge is really a core part of nature based solutions to adaptation. But I want to leave you with one key challenge. The key challenge for me is how do we do this at scale. Community led approaches are by their very nature, local. What we need to do is somehow integrate them into activities that operate at the county, national or regional level because climate change is a global problem. It's not just going to affect the local level. We need activities and responses at scale. And for my study, we had one great example from Kenya, where the adaptation consortium and Kenya's drought management authority integrated local walled ward level climate change planning committees to ensure that pastoralism was sustainable in times of drought into county level climate change fund legislation planning and management structures. So we need to find more ways to do this to integrate these local responses into broader scale responses. And we saw that from the example that Tasvia shared up shared on on how collaborative management was embedded into wider government policymaking and legal instruments, and also Maria Claudia who described the law in Peru that was supporting community based coffee production. So both very interesting to me. If you want to learn more about the global study on EBA effectiveness that I've described you can find that on the ID website. It's called is ecosystem based adaptation effective. And I'd now like to just thank everybody for a fantastic session and pass back to Nicole for some closing comments. Thank you. Thank you so much Hannah for those excellent comments that are just bringing all this discussed today all the knowledge all the experiences shared into one concrete message and I'm sure we will continue to hear more from each other in the coming weeks days we're now colleagues who are put in in touch together to see, you know, just how big this global community on community based adaptation really is. In the meeting we have about two minutes I'm going to ask everyone to turn on their video camera so we can take a group picture of everyone participating today. So I'll give it a few seconds we have I think two, two big pages here so I'll do my best to do a screenshot. See, do we have a few more. We need several screenshots won't you you'll have to do a screenshot three or four times so far we have to pages filled okay so I'm going to go ahead and take the first one so everyone please smile. Okay, next, next one. Now again. Okay, well, thank you so much for turning on your cameras for that. And now just it's up to me to give some farewell remarks. And let me just share this screen. We have all the organizing organizations today. Practical Action, GI said, I cut I use the end of the mountain and NBSI nature based solutions initiative from Oxford University. We want to thank you for participating today and being part of this excellent dialogue. A few takeaway messages or next steps is that we will be sharing the notes from the workshop with all the participants. The video recording will be made available. And if you do have any email questions sorry any questions please email them to the workshop moderators we some of us shared our emails during the case study presentations. Yeah, we're very eager to hear more from you and thank you so much for your time today. With that, just say goodbye and have a great rest of the week. Thank you everyone. Thank you.