Yeah, what you were saying earlier about discipling that I think it's unique that the first and the last Job description Jesus gave to disciples was discipling and I Like I shared earlier my own experience in evangelistic efforts Is that is it has helped me to grow as much or more than anybody and I really feel like that's part of What Jesus built the church that way on purpose that in order for us to grow? And to mature and to achieve stability and all that That that identity of going out and leading other people is it's an integral part of that and We're not going to grow in our own health Unless we are constantly having that challenge of being put in a place So we have to explain to people what it means to follow Jesus and help them walk through things That's where we get a lot of for our own lives Paul says that to Timothy that if you keep the brethren in Remembrance of these things you yourself will be nourished up through that you're going to be nourished up in the words of faith and sound doctrine and I guess the question why Chambersburg? I like a patrick why not Chambersburg? Why do we think that somehow we can go to LA and and you know these big places where there's There's the same things present here in Chambersburg. There's sex trafficking. There's drugs. There's gang activity it's just not on us as as as Wide of a scale or nearly as dramatic and So I'm not sure why we think we can go and somehow Make something happen there when we can't in our in our in our smaller towns The other thing is I I would like to see I feel like God wants to see the term missions disappear from our vocabulary because Every Christian every church should be a mission church and if we're not if we're not engaging the world around us at a spiritual level I feel like it's a reflection on our own on our own spiritual health our own what it our own discipleship of Christ falling Christ, so that's part of personally my my outlook on the whole thing is is we all should be Looking around us and saying where how can we engage our society on a meaningful level and and show Jesus to them It's sustainability if I go somewhere for two weeks and I leave how can I sustain that? It's required that other people go do that you need the indigenous people from the area to build this thing Indigenous churches, you know, it's really nice to show up to Puerto Rico and say I'm like cotton candy and they want to eat it when they leave when I leave What are they gonna do you have to walk with the people Christ did that? That's what he did He walked with you. He didn't walk away from you Yeah, so yeah, basically you're advocating Not missions moving in and just being there, you know one of the things I've run a thing called harken house ministry, which is a halfway house for ex-convicts And one of the things I realized growing up in a way. I did I'm watching all these people around me do devotions and I'm going So I would go over to their house and they're like, let's do devotion, right? I never did that so I had this idea that if I start a halfway house I'll learn about the motions and I went to the men and they said I Need to learn about the motions. Will you help teach me and nail their involved because they're an intricate part of this yeah, and that's I Like the idea of an organic not an organized thing Organic it grows out of a need or organize what happens is you think they have a need and you put your Heavises on what you think they need I need it devotions in my life I need to know how to serve Christ daily every morning and so I Asked them to help me and it's succeeding so far. Mm-hmm I think in another conversation. He had said something about wanting to start a plain church among the soup kitchen constituency Talk talk to us a little bit about that. Why are you thinking that particular demographic instead of save? I don't know middle-class Americans In Chambersburg here We have many churches and they're serving the needs of the middle-class and upper-class people and the unfortunate thing I was having a conversation with someone And he said that he wants to disciple mid and upper-class people and I told him that's a really cool thing, but when you Disciple upper and upper-class people people in the street can't see that But if you work with street people the people in the mid to upper-class can see what you're doing I think we have an upside-down view of Discipleship it starts with the people who are involved in your life. I'm a criminal so I hang out with criminals and You know my my heart is drawn to people who are from my past so I Wanted to cycle the people that I know and you know I Can go anywhere in this town and people know who I am and it's because they feel the love that I have for And if we're only getting together on Sundays We're really not doing anything more than just visiting and I think if we open our doors and bring These people into our lives and on an ongoing basis. We build Relationships that can go further and that I think is a sustainable view of discipleship Not an abstract view bill. Yeah, again, that's it's not like we think that this is the the You know the ultimate Demograph to reach or that it's an easy one by any means or anything like that It's just simply for Patrick It was the people that he was part of for me It was an open opportunity and in a lot of ways from my own my own life story I can connect with a lot of these people I've been through some of the kind of things that they've been through and so it's just it's what's here And I we're totally open to middle-class people come in here. We've actually had Some people come in Like for the Bible study and things like that Who had a job had a hanging had their own apartment and weren't necessarily the normal run of the mill that comes in here So it's not like we're trying to isolate something It's just something that like Patrick started with the people that he was the crowd He was he had been part of his own life story And we've just tried to do something with with the opportunities. God's put in our lap Yeah, the unfortunate part of coming from a bad demographics is you get pegged into one specific spot And I find people talk to me. They think whole homeless the reality is I have the ability to talk to people that went to harbor and sustain a conversation to a degree not perfection I can carry a conversation on with the county commissioners who are friends of mine They know the crime that I committed and they still talk to me And I'm able to go to across all demographics. It's just right now. I you know christ I remember them saying When did I feed you? When did I give you water? When did I visit you in jail when you visit the least of me? You've done it to me and that Resounds in my mind all the time and I kind of guess that's my drive. Yeah going to the least of these. Yeah Yeah, because that is a specific that is something Jesus very specifically points out in many times in his ministry going to the least of these I Grew up in a town that I literally grew up on the other side of the tracks Rich people were over there and I was on the side of the tracks where the irish class low class person lived so I always wanted to cross over that track To feel a part of the community and the reality is I would never fit into that community And it's a lot said about my christianity and my life. I don't need to cross the tracks anymore I find that the people that God wants you to work with will show up It's there was a movie called fields of dream Field of dreams and it said build it and they will come and the premise behind that was this stupid little room this little room was Destroyed ripped up tore up you I redid this entire building And I know where every piece in this place came from because I remembered the person put in it our our Mission in the early stages was if we're doing work in a bathroom and somebody came in limping The work was secondary the person's primary And I think the reason our volunteers get a little upset this wall here was hit by a truck A truck ran into the room and destroyed everything and it's almost a year later It's actually 15 months later. It's actually 15 14 15 months later. Yeah, but the primary goal of the people that come in here Are more important than the word still stands Joe was allowed to go through these trials and tribulations But God had a hand of protection when the guy ran through the window. It was an impossible situation He came around a corner somehow turned 90 degrees not two cars out and came through the front of this building But didn't hit the structural members Wow, so the wall was just there and that night I I talked to the local code guy. I said, can we have a bible study? And he said, yeah, go ahead clean it up But knock and we kept going Wow, we didn't let that stop If that truck was five inches one way or five inches the other way the entire building the roof would have come down And I think God has his hand of protection on this room And I think satan in a lot of ways doesn't like what's going on here.  That's all that matters um, and I think God's love radiates out of this building call me a dreamer But I think people in town like we've not been somebody stole one drill five years ago and the participants in town Made the guy bring it back I mean a friend of mine had a phone. He left it at domino's pizza And it was two hours later and I made a phone call and I said I'd like that phone back and they brought it back and they I gave it to the guy There's something that's happening in this room that the people in the town recognize So with that momentum, we're trying more and that's where bill comes in I like that theme the embassy embassy of light and that's what I feel like every every home Every every church should be as a as an embassy a place where the interests of the kingdom of god are Are furthered in the area and where people can come and experience The way of life of the kingdom of god. I really like that the subject of fruit and all that what we've said that Yeah, we don't have like a lot of people that look like good men night sitting in the pews But the fruit is when we see people learning When I feel like people are seeing jesus here When they can come and they can open up they can learn to trust that's a huge thing And what we're starting to see is people people come in or they get mad and they leave But we're seeing that turnover of them getting mad leaving coming back getting down to one day. They'll say they'll Literally cuss us out stomp out and come back the next day and say, you know You guys are you're telling the truth in here. Um, and that that to me is that's that's that's the uh That's the affirmation that I need to simply if I can sew jesus I can I can live toward them like jesus would and I can speak his kind of words to them The fruit is really up to him. Um, and and it's it's like you said that's a big key in Any sort of evangelism type of work is longevity. Um The the stories of the person that gets handed a track on the street and you know says a prayer and And their life turns around those those happen, but by and large, it's not not the way it works. It's it's a long-term investment Where we keep sewing we keep watering and and we learn we we keep learning And and god the increase that comes out of that is up to god And I also I want to say this because we talked about about um going to la and things like that I do not in any way want to Put down somebody who goes out and passes out tracks or holds up signs or You know goes to la I've I've done a lot of those things that some of those kind of things is where I I began to learn and got my feet wet and You know I listened to ray comfort for a long time and and that's what prompted me I felt I could tell the story of the first time I I realized god wanted me to step out and make a conversation instead of waiting for people to come talk to me So I don't want to put down any of any of those things, but I really feel like the way of discipling um building relationships with people and Walking with them through the change and the growth god wants to do in their life That's that's how any sort of a long-term fruit is gonna is gonna happen and it's not easy Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, the principle of the compound interest principle in a sin driven life Okay, that's an abstract thought But what choose somebody apart in financial things is not the debt It's the interest from the debt and the lives that people come in here They have interest in their sin driven life, which is pornography, which causes break up his marriage Which causes fronication and all those things are tied together and what we're simply doing is standing there in a way They call tough love saying no, we're not going to budge Someone asked last night asked him she wanted to participate in communion last night, which we practice with our volunteers here and First time in my life. I had to say no and I had to explain to her why I don't know where you are spiritually And I think if I give you communion and free freely do that then I'm bringing some negative things towards myself and She didn't understand it. She says well you you're um, what did she say? Yeah, you're judging me. I said, I don't judge you. I'm not judging you. I'm just I don't know you well enough and That particular person was uncomfortable with it, but we'll stand firm in what price says And explain the best we can and then the next time we'll explain it a little bit better because Bill will come to me and say I don't like how you did that or I like how you did that. It's a combined effort There's a couple of the volunteers in here and they're intricate parts Of this room because we work as a collaborative effort one accord. I believe You know, I got a nod there, but good It's it's harmony. It's unity and diversity. Yeah, but that that exact that that example there She said well, I'm never coming back here I guarantee you she'll be back sometime in the next week if not maybe two weeks But I'm pretty sure probably even the next week because she knows that we care about her We've spent time with her. Yeah, we've helped her out with stuff and she doesn't have that anywhere else She knows this is a safe place. We're going to give her good advice We're going to help her take positive steps in her life and you have her best interest, right? And I and people people can see through if there's uh, if there's an agenda And if you guys truly genuinely I have your best interest in mind 100 the whole way through That I mean that you can't disguise that, you know, so how do we take this package that A group of renegades started and pass it on to another little town somewhere's in like Topeka, Iowa or somewhere's in Idaho How how do we get this to grow? Yeah, that's okay. That was exactly that's what I wanted to ask you and and if I think I mean, you know a lot of people watch these listen to these episodes I think they need to know how to get ahold of you and maybe get some advice because I I believe the the vision you're doing here is could have massive ripple effect if people would catch the vision Well, see I was telling you about something the practical application of something see In our communities. We have theoretical people. We have a think tank They can tell you everything about that and they can describe it to you, but they've not practically did it and I just use that vision uh when the egyptians were escaping From egypt and they were going to the promised land there was the red sea in front of them And it was there until somebody went, uh And put their foot in the water and it opened So I'm what I'm trying to get across is you have to be willing to step out and it's going to cost a little bit You will go through heartache and all that but The reality is I'm much better wearing them here now than I was 20 years ago And what it took was a group of people playing christians Who see me for who I am today not what I did on paper and that kind of love drew me in And that's the kind of love that will draw these people in your town I one thing that I'm I'm concerned about Is is how much we try to duplicate other movements? I feel like as an abaptist people we have we've made a big mistake of that. We have gone back and tried to mimic things that have That people have done in the last 400 years in an effort to following following jesus The original anabaptists we're going back and trying to learn how to follow jesus And so what i'm saying is if people look at us and try to duplicate what we're doing It's it's going to be a flop. It's not going to work. Patrick doesn't live in tepica, idaho or was it iowa? Whatever And and and so But but but following the core of jesus teaching and following the way he related to people Is going to open up different doors in their lives I think one of the thing is is Is simply finding a people group where there's a need and And uh at soldiers of the cross When finney crowville has taught the evangelism class there, that's one of the things we've done is list it off and there's in any community there's all kinds of things there's there's um there's uh student mentoring programs where you can mentor a middle uppers upper A middle or high school student. There's immigrant immigrant groups. There's esl classes. There's pregnancy crisis centers There's just lots of different ways. There's weight loss groups People who want to be free from pornography and just lots of opportunities to engage people Around us who have have needs and start just showing them jesus love and bringing an example of and and and speaking the truth Into their lives and teaching them how to follow jesus and so everybody is going to have to do is look at their situation And listen to jesus allow him to lay a burden on their heart and begin to do something Yeah, just begin to engage And and that's that's a journey for each person but I think that's the important thing is Is first of all to realize this is something about following jesus not following us here They hopefully there's things they can learn But to find it find where the needs around them and then begin to do something about it And god will lead and grow that just like he's doing here I don't I don't know where all this is going to go But I feel like god has been working in my life helping me to learn a lot about following him And he's doing things in the in the world around us through it And this is where I bring in I've been talking to bill about soldiers across in a practical way doing it in chambersburg bringing people in That are interested in trying to do a ministry in their little town come here And there are three places right now tidings of peace in york The west side fellowship is beginning in haggars town and we're trying this here Now there's other things in this area that i'm not thinking about and that's not to exclude them But there are some things going on and if we can bring somebody from pico iowa And give them a week where they walk through what we're doing here. Maybe it will give them some ideas But own it you have to do it You know thinking about doing it won't get it done You know that nike commercial just do it That's what we mean when conrad grebel felt the need. He stood up and said I disagree We have to learn that boldness And if we don't have that boldness because we come from the farm I didn't come from a farm these guys But if you come from the farm and you're afraid to talk to people That's going to be the hardest thing. My friend brianado who's down in grandview, texas Exxamishman said I don't know how to do this and I turned him and I said Hi, my name is patrick Tell me about yourself and he took that and I watched him teach other people that and that's actually how it's done You just start talking to people and people will tell you what they need Give them 15 minutes and they'll tell you how they need money or whatever it is But you'll learn about the person if you listen and I don't seem like I listen, but I listen attentively I just don't appear that way Wow, have you seen positive results from this work and when will you think you have reached success? I guess you could say Bill is here When I first met him he wasn't going to do it It wasn't here you are and here he is And the torch has been passed. I always said that We're to go and get just one person And in our original conversations with the churches. They said well, how can we Count the call count the converts and I said well, I don't think we are supposed to count the converts It says that we should make sure that what we teach them counts according to the scriptures. First of all, second of all We're going after one convert. Nailed it. You got one me Let's go for the second one. So it's already a success from the beginning Yeah, here's number two Now that we got two, let's go get three and that's how it exponentially grows. That's the beauty of discipleship right there and who would have thought that a A street thug like myself would be working with A gentleman from Tennessee who had anabaptist Attractions or living an anabaptist life and you know that you put the two of us together and we're diametrically different He's type a personality and I'm type big and somehow I had to learn the strengths of my life and the weaknesses in my life and he did too And I realized that when I pushed I needed to not push and let him push Like this is a reciprocal agreement And we learn each other the more we're together. Yeah, and You know if it was eagle involved then I would push when he needed to push and then we would butt heads And I think what draws us together is we've learned each other's weaknesses And we've not pointed them out, but I I believe that we've looked at each other's strengths and we amplify each other Is that correct anything else y'all would like to share as far as fruit and success Like like I shared earlier the The harvest is gods My my responsibility is to sow And so if for myself for one I feel like there's success happening when we as as people who are already Christians are growing and being challenged um when people That's guess that's my big concern is that people see Jesus that they encounter Jesus and there's a testimony whether they accept It and allow it all to change their lives or not, but that there's a testimony that they see Jesus and what's happening in our lives And long term what my my dream is is to see a group of of people who are living out in the kingdom of god living in town here and that growing um bringing in indigenous people To increase that where chambersburg is full of where you can't walk a block without walking past somebody's house That is part of the kingdom of god. That's that's my that's my dream whether or not That's the role god has for this room and for our inaction here. Um, I don't know and I'm I want to be fine with whatever however large or however small the thing he wants us to do but um That's for me that success is when I'm taking the next step in the challenge god puts in front of me to grow personally And when there's a witness going out that that people are meeting jesus here That's that's yeah, that would that's amazing. Well, maybe we'll come back in a year or two or three and do another episode with y'all See where things are at. Thanks y'all for for joining us for this episode. This has been wonderful. I really enjoyed it Anyway to get in touch with me Dot harkin h-e-a-r-k-e-n house dot org Email me at patrick at harken house dot org bill is bill to teach at gmail dot com


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So Andrew Tate is back at it again, dissing vegans on Rumble since he's been completely cancelled off of social media. He recently went viral again after an interview with Pierce Morgan and you know Pierce Morgan couldn't debate his way out of a wet paper bag without interrupting and setting traps and making absolutely ridiculous false claims but he seemed to hold his own against Andrew Tate because some of Andrew Tate's ideas are quite easy to debunk but the Tate brothers are in a live stream on Rumble after the Pierce Morgan debate chatting about veganism. So let's have a listen. What you're picking on veganism? Most subscribed anti-vegan YouTuber just got banned on YouTube for nothing about you know just talking facts about veganism and gender neutral.  The guy is an absolute psychopath acts like a psychopath and has psychopathic ideas and he wonders why he got deleted. He didn't get deleted for speaking facts about veganism.  What are your opinions of veganism? Well I'll tell you the reason I'm anti-vegan is because it goes against the law of the universe it goes against the laws of reality. The reason he's anti-vegan meaning he supports the exploitation and cruelty of animals meaning he thinks animals should be enslaved and commodified and decapitated for a sandwich is it goes against the laws of the universe. Please tell us more Andrew. The idea that you don't have to kill something for you yourself to live and survive is asinine. Every single thing that exists on the planet has to destroy something else for it to exist.  Stars absorb other stars to exist. For you to exist as a sovereign individual for you to exist as an entity you must destroy something else. Nonsentient plants destroy nonsentient nutrients in order to live. Who cares? Like what are you trying to say? A nonsentient ball of gas in space swallows another nonsentient ball of gas in space. Like who cares?  Like what are you trying to say bro?  Who cares if I destroy plants? Plants are not sentient conscious beings having a subjective experience. A plant is a mindless biological life form that reacts to stimuli. There's no one in there. Who cares about a plant? So you're saying now that incidental deaths of insects, beavers, not sure about beavers, worms and insects in you know field deaths, you think that that then justifies us in robbing the rights, commodifying, enslaving billions of beings? So you're equating incidental deaths because of civilization or to grow crops. You're equating that with violating the rights of animals. Let me put this in a way that you understand. Imagine saying that incidental human deaths because of civilization say construction deaths or transport deaths are the same as the slave trade. You can see an obvious difference there because human beings also die on farms too plant farms.  They can die in slaughterhouses from cuts. They can die in transit driving food around for us. Okay, they're incidental deaths. Imagine saying, okay, because there are incidental deaths in food transport, we're now justified in robbing human rights, enslaving people and cutting their heads off. That is the logical leap you're making. Most of that data on crop death shows that the animals don't actually die from a harvester. They die from birds of prey. So how do you know whether those birds of prey wouldn't have got their prey anyway, even if the crop wasn't there in no way justifies violating animal rights just like incidental human deaths don't justify violating human rights. Let's go. Something is going to die so you can live. Something is going to die so you can live. So we must cause the biggest mass murder of animals you've ever seen. There's a fundamental law of the universe and because I'm a realist, I refuse to live in a world where I ignore these fundamental laws. Well, you know what, Andrew, something has to die in order for me to live.  I'm going to violate the rights of as many beings, living conscious sentient beings as I can. Don't want to disrupt the fundamental laws of the universe. Does your philosophy apply out to human beings as well? I wouldn't put it past you. It may be unfortunate, but there is no nice way to die. Well, there are better ways to die.  So neither of those options are nice. One might be with less suffering, but they are both still murder. Now, you're equating dying with murder, with robbing the rights and lives of these animals for an unjustifiable reason. Now, what you went on to say after that is pretty sick actually.  There is no nice way to die. There is only life and death. You will sit there eating a bucket of KFC whilst looking at chickens being shackled by their legs, hung upside down and having their throat slashed, and they can be flailing around on those shackles and suffering, and they've lived the life of suffering in a factory farm, and you will eat their bodies while watching them suffer. It doesn't get much more sick than that. So, Andrew Tate, I know you've got a dog charity where you rescue dogs in Romania. I remember you even saying in a podcast, if anyone stole your dog, that would be the end of them. Imagine if I said something like this, I'm a realist. I never go against the fundamental laws of the universe.  Can you imagine if I said something like that, bro? You'd probably be pretty disgusted in me, and if I talk all your rescue dogs to a slaughterhouse, watch them be decapitated, for a bucket of their fried flesh, what would you think? What would you think of me? These animals must die so I can survive. He's right in saying that there has to be a certain number of incidental deaths for civilization, and that goes for humans and animals. There has to be a certain number of human beings that die for construction in factories and in transport. Those humans are not having their rights violated. Imagine if I said, well, there has to be incidental human deaths in order for us to have civilization. Therefore, I can enslave and kill as many human beings as I want because I'm a realist.  Like, do you have any evidence that you need to eat KFC to survive, bro? Do you have any evidence you need to eat meat to survive, bro? Do you have any evidence that you need to eat animal products period to survive? Well, we've got plenty of evidence that suggests vegan diets can be healthy for all stages of the life cycle.     The matrix, whatever that is, wants you to eat soy and vegetables.  So you're telling me, bro, for the first 25 years of my life, that wasn't the matrix advertising meat to me. That wasn't the matrix subsidizing factory farmed meat and subsidizing slaughterhouses with billions and billions and billions of dollars to make factory farmed meat and flesh in general more affordable. So that is not the matrix. But the matrix is the broccoli industry, the tofu industry. It's not where you get your chickens from KFC. It's not the ones who are selectively breeding chickens into Frankenstein bodies to decapitate them. I've never trusted anything more in my entire life than factory farms and slaughterhouses. You know, that's not a horror story. Tofu and broccoli, that's the conspiracy. They want you to eat soy because it's going to lower your testosterone levels. What did I say earlier about how they do not want you strong physically? They do not want you strong. Look at this paranoia he's feeding into the millions of young men who follow him and are influenced by him. They don't want you strong. They want you eating soy. Got any evidence for that, Tate? There's a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials where they looked at a total of 41 studies. Meta-analysis of RCTs is quite high on the hierarchy of evidence. So this is actually very good research and it showed that regardless of the statistical model, no significant effects of soy protein or isoflavone intake on any of the outcomes measured were found. So Tate, where are you getting this evidence that soy makes men weak or lowers testosterone? Sounds like maybe something Alex Jones would say, maybe something one of these carnivores would say. Do you need any evidence to take on a belief or is this just some conspiracy that you've made up in your head or you've seen an article on soy? What is it?  The steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? Ignorance is bliss. Look at the advertising, green grasses and pastures. And when we go in there and investigate these places, horrible suffering. When we leave cameras in slaughterhouses, horrible violence, horrible suffering. But nah, the matrix wants you eating soy that will feminize you even though I've got no evidence for that claim.  People always say to me all the time, Tate, how do you have such a good physique when all you do is drink? 80% of these calories are from meat. So, Tate, you're going to make some baseless claim about soy, lowering testosterone and then you're going to recommend people eat red meat, which is a class 2A carcinogen, classified by the World Health Organization. You also eat bacon, which is a class 1 carcinogen. It has been scientific consensus for a long time.  This is a very well established medical fact. So, you're encouraging men to eat more of what will eventually give them a heart attack. He's constantly promoting partying, drinking. Alcohol was a known carcinogen. They smoked tobacco, right? His brother there Tristan's got a cigar in his hand, but you're worried about a bean, soy. Ridiculous. Well, firstly, not all I do is drink. Secondly, I built it when I was young, training like an animal. It's easy to maintain. Thirdly, I'm on absolutely no testosterone replacement. I'm 36. My testosterone levels are the absolute upper echelons of the limit. I have no testosterone replacement, no pills, nothing, no protein shakes, nothing. I'm building my own supplement line now, which is the only one I'm going to start taking.  So what Tate is doing now is called an anecdote. He's saying, look at me. Look at my body. Look how strong I am. Well, Tate, anyone can have a body like yours eating McDonald's if they just calorie restrict and do weights.  So of course, you're going to have a physique like that. On the hierarchy of evidence, anecdotes are way down the bottom, right below expert opinion. Randomized control trials are right at the top. A meta analysis here, the sweet one we showed you. So we should believe your cool story over peer reviewed science. All right. I'm a meat eater. 80% of my calories comes from meat. I don't, and people say, oh, I have meat too. A hamburger meal is not meat.  No. Three steaks. Three steaks. No rice. Done. So he's advocating for incredibly high meat diet, no fiber and no plants to his followers. Impressionable young men. Pretty crazy. It is abundantly clear that diets higher in whole plant foods have better health outcomes. And this is very well established. He's asking you to do the opposite. That's how we eat. Tabasco. They don't want you strong. They want you weak. And that's why they're promoting this veganism garbage. This is paranoia. They don't want you strong. They want you weak. Who's to say you can't be strong eating a plant based diet? Like, where is your evidence for these claims? This is all conspiratorial. If the matrix really wanted us to promote animal rights and veganism, why, why, why, why isn't it just on every single TV commercial? Why haven't they made eating meat illegal? They could make animal, phase out animal agriculture in the next 10 years, right? And then bring in all new plant based meats. Like you're seeing a little bit of it, but that's largely because of independent companies, startups and vegan advocates trying to solve the problem of the animal rights violations and animal killing and the environmental damage. This is all, a lot of this is coming from grassroots activists and organizations. Like, if it's such a bloody conspiracy, mate, why do I have to work so hard against people who are so programmed or lions eat meat? Oh, they've been eating meat for thousands of years. Why are people so programmed and why do they have to rely so heavily on propaganda campaigns? And why do we have to constantly go into factory farms and slaughterhouses and expose them and bring out the truth? And when we bring out the truth, it gets censored. What do you want about Andrew? Like, what do you want about me? It's the other way around. They don't want you to find out the truth about me. They want you to keep eating meat.   I'm falling into the they trap.  What's being advertised to us the most out of any other thing? Well, that's meat, isn't it? It's constantly meat.   So that's going to make you weak. So maybe you shouldn't eat meat. I guess say like, what are you talking about, bro? You think the matrix are just promoting veganism to everyone? Like, that would make my job a lot easier. Actually, if they were doing that, that would be, I mean, I would like that. I would like that people stopped eating animals and stopped abusing sentient conscious beings. But the truth is, it's been a battle from day dot. And it's not what he thinks because he's looking at it from the outside. He's seeing the effects of activism. He's seeing the effects of the vegan movement. And we are making an effect. And he thinks that that's the government. So, Andrew, I would love to take you into a factory farming slaughterhouse so you could see what they are trying to hide from people. So Andrew's logic here actually works against him in a very, very big way. They are trying to make your mind empty. You must resist the slave mind. You must resist the slave mind. You're trying to wake people up, Andrew. But you're actually lulling people back to sleep, getting them eating those murdered animal bodies, getting them falling for the propaganda that's been this way for so long, mate.  So you're not even teaching your following to critically think.  In the interest of spreading this positive message about eating animals.  Who's it positive for? I mean, it must be nice for you, you know, multi-millionaires going and eating the steak, but it's not positive for the animals who are literally decapitated in slaughterhouses so that you can eat them. So who's it positive for? Um, I'm going to give you guys an argument to take home that I think is original to me.  I don't think it's for me. When you go vegan, you actually go vegan for the animal victims.  I don't really hear vegans saying no human on earth should eat meat even if they're about to die in a survival situation. So I don't know, it's a bit of a straw man, but let's keep going. Bring up the Maasai tribe, the Maasai, not just a tribe, the Maasai are a people that inhabit most of West Africa from Nigeria all the way down to South Africa. These people have a very ingenious way of living.  They're in a bit of a different situation to you Tristan.   How can you compare yourself in any way to people living in some dire situation?  There is no other way for that human species, that human population tribe, which has been around for longer than any modern civilization by the way, to flourish and thrive in that area. Flourish and thrive? The Maasai people have a life expectancy of 42 to 44. What do you want about, bro? They've got one of the lowest life expectancies out of nearly anyone. So what are you trying to say? They eat raw meat, raw honey. They drink blood. They drink blood, dude. Why would you use an example like that? It works again. Your argument works against you. Like, are you trying to make a health argument here, an ethics argument? What argument are you trying to make that, that not everyone can be vegan? Well, we know that inuits who are living in a snow can't grow plants. Imagine if there was a tribe of people who lived on an island where all they had was each other to eat. You'd be like, yeah, well, they're on that island. They don't have any other option.  You'd be like, well, that's a human rights violation, isn't it? But yeah, but they don't have any other choice, man. What are they? What are they supposed to do? Okay. Why are you eating that person then? Because the human eating tribe does that. You know, because they do it. Yeah, but bro, you're in civilization. So what's your excuse to do it? I'm using them as an excuse to do it. Bro, you've got plants to eat, edible plants.  You can eat whatever you want. So why are you choosing to cut off animals' heads? Why are you leveraging their situation to justify your own? Without this ingenious way of recycling plant proteins through their cattle. And I think it's absolutely genius. So you think it's absolutely genius to feed plants to animals and then eat the animal? Why would that be genius, bro?  It's ridiculous. I mean, I guess this is a good segue into the Oxford research that showed that 83% of farmland is used by meat and dairy and it provides just 80% of calories.  And that if we all adopted a vegan diet, global farmland could be reduced by more than 75%. An area equivalent to the US, China, the EU, and Australia combined. And we could still feed the world. So if you think everybody should be vegan, these people aren't in the privileged position where they can go to Whole Foods. Well, you are in a privileged position, Tristan. Why don't we just talk about you for a sec? You are in a privileged position. So I don't know why you're using their situation to justify your own. It's very bizarre. They are in the privileged position where they can go to the local supermarket. But you can. So what point are you trying to make?  I advocate to people in the UK, in Australia, in the US, like I don't go to Inuits in Antarctica telling them they should be vegan. You should really think these arguments through a little better, mate. That's all.  Dude, they're a bad example. I do think that animals deserve rights all over the world. We shouldn't be exploiting and violating the rights of animals all over the world. Yes, that should be adhered to just like humans deserve rights all over the world. Animals deserve rights all over the world. Shout out to them aside. Probably not what's in this, but whatever. Yeah, I don't think so. No, I don't think so. I really don't. They probably don't have the privilege to watch a live stream on Rumble because they're literally doing their best to survive. Anyway, so that was the Tate Brothers on Rumble. You know, incredibly dangerous to misinformation they spread. All you need is basic logic to debunk what they're saying. They make so many claims with no evidence whatsoever, and they've got people just lapping it up because they're so persuasive. So anyways, to the Tate Brothers, if you would like to discuss this with me, I would love to have a chat with you about this because you really got to change your positions on these things. Just like just say, look, I don't care about violating animal rights.  It's just bizarre to me that Andrew Tate has, you know, a dog charity where they help dogs and he's fine with decapitating cows, but would be so upset at decapitating dogs. It's just such a clear double standard. Anyway, guys, thanks for tuning in. Leave your comments down below and I'll see you all in the next video. Peace.


My name is Vin Slang and I'm the owner of a small company based in Hungary called Agridrone. We are providing agriculture service to farmers. For most of our products we use UAVs or unmanned aerial vehicles to collect remote sensed data. For example if we provide a nutrient management plan we usually collect ground samples based on satellite imagery analysis and then when it's vegetation period we usually fly the drums over the area, collect this multispectral imagery and then create an NDVI or vegetation index map of the area to calculate the dose of nitrogen or other fertilizers based on the actual plant conditions. We celebrate every year the girls in the ICT team. Because of this celebration at the level of ITU and ITU membership I can tell you today we have started in 2011, today we have more than 177,000 girls who are directing their life in the ICT sector, studying in the ICT sector. Sarah and Theo are two of the girls who were there in one of our very first programs and they became programming ambassadors. They haven't stopped ever since. This is the kitchen. It's made about lego, you can't see. And this box is its brain. It's great to see ITU create a platform and an opportunity for young girls to actually bring out their creativity and do such amazing things. Imagine what it can do to millions of girls all over the world. If they are given the same opportunity. My name is Korokot Wong Pai Sansin. I'm from Toyota Sushou, electronic Thailand. Our product is the T-square, the traffic information service. Our biggest problem in Bangkok is the people spend a time a lot on the road. One year for 172 hours. If they use that time for their family life, family times or even to work for eight hours a day, they will gain 21 days back. So I think the biggest problem is the traffic congestion in Bangkok. We need to utilize more sensor data. We need to utilize more human sensor, human information to get into this IoT platform, to get into this big data, to use these tools to improve our quality of life. With the user that use our traffic information comparing to the non-user, they improve the traveling time for 15%. After we expand our service to the other countries nearby us, I think we can control and provide the better life for the other countries as well.


America's number one adventurer K-7, former United States secret agent who operated in 22 countries, on land, on sea, and in the air, brings you a story of today. And here is K-7. The story which I bring you now is different from any that have gone before, for it tells how innocent and patriotic citizens have been used by a clever master spy. Perhaps, if you have journeyed to Europe in recent months, you were one of his victims, for women and men alike have carried information of the utmost importance without realizing their guilt. For the purpose of my story, I will call this master spy, the Baron. As usual, John Holbrook will take up at this point. Thank you K-7. We take you to the laboratory of special agent B-9. Rita Drake, his young assistant, is there waiting for him. Our story begins as B-9 enters. Hello Rita. B-9, I'd begun to wonder if you were coming. Sorry, I know I'm late. I'll light that Bunsen burner and boil some water, will you Rita? I'll tell you what has happened while it's heating. Use down as if you'd found out something. I'll heat the water. I have a letter here which we've got to steam open and examine. What we find in it will decide our course of action. You sound very mysterious. Sit down, Rita. Now, where shall I begin? You know I've been following a dangerous international spy who calls himself the Baron. Well, yes, B-9, of course. At last I think I've discovered how the Baron works. He's clever, Rita. He's become a great society favorite. He's also known in the sports and theatrical world. Yes, I know. He's often mentioned in the newspapers. Rita, the Baron has worked out the cleverest stunt I've heard of so far. He discovers who among his circle of friends is setting for Europe. Then he gives these friends letters of introduction to people on the other side. This is one of his letters we're going to steam open. B-9, I don't understand. Letters of introduction are very common. Yes, but wait. This water is boiling now. Perhaps I can show you what I'm getting at. I'll hold the flap of the envelope over the steam. Wait. It's coming. Be careful. Don't tear it. It'll be open in a second or two. There. There. That does it. Now we'll look at the letter. Just as I expected. Rita, instead of a letter of introduction, this is a complete description of one of this country's latest machine guns. Now you see what I mean. Yes, the Baron uses innocent people to carry his information. Exactly. It's a clever stunt. Fortunately, this letter was given to the wife of a young man I know. She turned it over to me. Then you can make an arrest. Not yet. The Baron is clever. He probably had this letter written by someone who works with him. It's not even in his handwriting. He'd deny everything. No, we've got to catch him with the information on him. And that's not going to be easy. I think it will be. Mrs. Duren, the woman who was to have carried this letter, sails tomorrow morning. You're going to the boat with her. There you'll meet the Baron. Mrs. Duren will introduce you and tell him that you're sailing in four days. She'll arrange for the Baron to give you a letter of introduction. Then we'll have him. The next morning, Rita attended a gay sailing party. When she arrived at the ship, Mrs. Duren's state home was full of flowers.  Husband would never understand that, you know. Best of luck, old girl. One way out. Goodbye, Freddie. All right. I beg your pardon. Mary, here's another visitor. Rita! Oh, I'm so glad you've got here. Run along, Freddie. All right, dear. He's here. I've talked with Agent B9. I'll carry it off, so don't worry. I used to be an actress, you know. Everybody, stop talking. I want you all to meet a very special friend of mine. Mr. Drake. How do you do? Mr. Drake, that's my... Thank you. Oh, dear, there's the last call. Baron, come over here. Mr. Drake, may I present the Baron? This is indeed a pleasure. And for me too, Baron. Oh, dear, their time's up. Baron, I want you to help Rita. She was sailing with me, but she couldn't get reservations on this ship. That is too bad. She's not sailing until next Monday. Baron, will you give her a letter of introduction like the one you gave me? We won't meet in Europe and... I should be most pleased to write a letter, Mary. You say next Monday, Mr. Drake? Yes. You'll help me? Of course, of course. As soon as Mary has sailed, we'll have lunch together. Thank you, Baron. I knew you'd do it for me. Oh, well, there's the final warning. Goodbye, everybody. Goodbye, Mary. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye. Mrs. Rita saw the Baron several times. He was more than willing to give her a letter of introduction similar to the one he'd given Mrs. Durant. B-9 had purchased Rita's ticket and arranged for her to occupy a state room, carrying out everything exactly as if she were really sailing. Then he followed the Baron closely and on the night before sailing to him, heard him make an important phone call. Is that you, Snyder? Yes. Listen to me. I must have the letter with the plans for the new tank in my possession by 8 o'clock tomorrow morning. The girl is sailing at 10.30. I have promised to bring the letter to the ship. Before you go to the ship. Good. I'll be there. Don't fail. Next morning, B-9 followed the Baron into a florist shop. There he heard him order flowers sent to Rita Drake's state room. When he paid for them, he received an envelope slipped between the bills of his change. Then he left. A minute later, B-9 blew a police whistle outside the flower shop. Yes, B-9, surround the shop. Seize the men behind the counter and hold them at headquarters until I arrive. Search the place thoroughly. Right. I'm going to the boat. I should be back within the hour. Rita was alone in her state room. It was nearly sailing time. Good morning, my dear miss. Oh. What's this, miss Drake? You are alone? Yes. It's quite different from Mary's sailing party, isn't it, Baron? But you know this city isn't my home and... Oh, Baron. Yes. Thank you so much for the flowers. Look at them. I'm glad that I sent them. Poor child. But you will have a good time after the ship sails. Who makes friends so fast on shipments. And in Europe, my friends will be your friends. Yes, I'm sure they will. Oh, Miss Drake. Yes? I wonder if you would do the Baron a favor. Well, of course, if I can. When you return, one of my friends may want to send me some papers that are important to me. Very important to force sentimental reasons, you understand. And I would rather they did not go through the census.  They will be a letter. You want me to bring them into this country? Yes, would you do it? Of course, Baron. I'm afraid I must leave now. Now, Miss Drake, here is your letter of introduction. I'll take that, Baron. What's the meaning of this? Who is this man who has just stepped out of your closed closet? I'll answer your question. I'm Special Agent B-9. Don't try to move, Baron. I've got you covered. So, this is a trap? Exactly. Stand right where you are. Rita, give me that letter. Here you are, B-9. Keep him covered while I find out what military secrets he was attempting to send out this time. Is it the same? This letter contains complete information on one of the new tanks. Baron, I place you under arrest as a spy. Don't ever get away with it, B-man. This ship belongs to the country I serve. Neither you or Miss Drake will be allowed to leave before it sails. Look out, B-9. He's throwing a chair. Hi, Mr. Special Agent. Stand where you are. Who are you? Department of Military Intelligence. You see, Baron, I suspected you served the country that owns this steamship line. I took no chances. It might interest you to know that your friend in the flower shop is also under arrest. And so are your friends in Europe, to whom these letters have been addressed. Come along.  That means you, Baron. I have told my story without using the names of any actual persons. However, the man whom I called the Baron was a dangerous spy who worked for war, not for peace. The secrets which he sent out were military, naval, and diplomatic. He is now behind prison bars where he cannot harm the cause of peace. Listen for my next story. This is K-7 speaking.


Aloha and welcome to another edition of The Creative Life, a collaborative production between the American Creativity Association, Austin Global and Tinketech Hawaii. I'm joining your host for today and joining me as our guests are two advocates for the rights of Black students in education, as well as other acceptionalities and also other populations in need. Joining me and probably a few who have been following us, you have seen Julia before when she was joined us before. And Julia Diver, Dr. Diver, is a professor with Purdue University, Purdue University Global. And also new to the creative life is Dr. Gilman Whiting, a link to us from Nashville, Tennessee. And I should mention that Julia is coming to us from Los Angeles. And Dr. G, as he's often called, professor, is quite a repertoire going here. He's associate director of graduate studies and chair of the African American and dysphoria studies at Vanderbilt University. I had to check my notes on that and I probably stumbled over something there. But I think that's close enough. So, most importantly for us perhaps is to clarify some concepts as we direct our conversation. And that would be let's start out, perhaps Dr. G, you could start off and give us some insights on historical marginalization of Black students in education. Well, first off, darling, thank you for having me on the show. I'm pleasure to be here, joining you all from Nashville, Tennessee. Aloha. I've been at Vanderbilt for 19 years, I'm a professor in African American Dyspore Studies. And I tell you, history, without taking the whole show, the history of education has never been designed in a original conception for Black children, for Indigenous children or for Brown children. So we began this whole experiment playing catch-up. We know about the place versus Ferguson and the not separate but equal causes that have been put in there. We know about the Brown versus Board of Education in 1954, but we realized that busting didn't start until 1974. I know because I was involved in it in Boston and it was tumultuous to say the least. And it was really about having students even access to building. And so when we think about the history of education for Black, Brown and Indigenous students in the United States, there's always been something of a catch-up at best. And we're at a point now where we feel like everything is why are we complaining? But if you look at the data, the data shows us statistically today. We are as segregated in most of our public schools today as we were during Brown versus Board of Education in 1950s. So the history of this peculiar endeavor that we call education has its nasty feel and tentacles that make it so that so many of our students, particularly inner-city kids, even rural kids, find themselves left out often not involved in education the way that they could be. I can tell you a lot of reasons why I believe that is. But for the most part, I just wanna listen to know that what we're talking about today may seem a little aggressive because we are in a state or in a place now where we believe that as Rodney King once said, Kent, we all just get along. But you're asking somebody who has had two to 300 years of catch-up to make up and considering the political stance that's going on in the country today, we know that they're pushing back against a lot of these things. So we come into this thing knowing fully that we're gonna get pushed back against these ideas that we're pushing with the National Black Student Achievement Association. And Julia, how did you come to both collaborate?  So help us out and share some information in that regard. I think being in the educational landscape, working at Title I school sites that are serving predominantly Black and Hispanic, Latino children in California gives you a perspective as a classroom teacher where you see how the marginalization is occurring. Something simple as stepping back and realizing that your classroom library does not necessarily feature families that represent your student population. You're not seeing Black and Brown families in your classroom library represented on the picture books that your second graders are picking up. That's form of marginalization that's occurring in our school system. And from my experience working at Title I school sites in California, specifically in school districts like Los Angeles Unified, I became very aware of the marginalization that was still occurring in the education system in either very direct or indirect ways and the impact that it was having on students. So a lot of my scholarship and work is focused on providing teachers resources so they can integrate the student's culture into their classroom and into their instruction. I provide for our viewers Title I in case they're not familiar with your reference Title I school stuff, just in case some of our viewers are not aware. Absolutely, Title I school sites are school sites that the majority of the student population is on free reduced lunch. Yeah, whenever you hear the phrase Title I, you're talking about students who may be on FTC, formerly welfare and those things like that, you're talking about children from the other side of the socioeconomic train tracks if you will. And probably students that may be coming to school without their breakfast or also single moms. Yeah, absolutely. Well, yeah, we're talking about free and reduced lunch. I was a child of the free and reduced lunch programs back in the 60s and 70s. So I know very well about those kind of programs and they do serve a benefit to that. You think about a child being there hungry early in the morning time and then parents oftentimes don't have the means to actually feed children and things like that. So yeah, it's very much a need. I mean, I think about California, think about the breakfast program which began with the Black Panther Party in the 1960s and spread across the whole United States. So this is a form of black student achievement if you will, even back from them when you have folks saying that, hey, our kids are going to school, how are they going to study, how are they going to focus when they're not eating before they get to school? I think as I listened to both of you talk about the marginalization and the surrounding circumstances, it makes one think that we're almost on a treadmill. Why are we not moving forward? And I know you two are probably one of the strongest advocates for this initiative in the country at this time. But look at the blocks, one holds us back. Our education system was designed initially to respond to the call of the Industrial Revolution. And at that time, we were preparing individuals to enter the assembly line and enter the workforce under that capacity. And at that time, we also were having certain groups of students attend segregated schools or certain groups of students were not allowed to attend schools at all. So when you're in a place where either you're not allowed to attend school or you're not allowed to attend school with students who are white, you're going to receive a different educational experience. And we've seen through redistricting and the funding that is currently being allocated for school sites that that degree of segregation is still occurring. I think that we also are still experiencing marginalization in the education system because at this point we have hundreds of years of the curriculum representing a specific degree of specific narrative. And that narrative has been the dominant white Eurocentric and oftentimes male narrative. And with that, that's going to not only have marginalization operationalize itself in the present day, but we also have several generations who have experienced marginalization. If you think about the black community specifically, the black community was a community that was lynched if they read or wrote anything. You were threatened with your life if you were caught reading or writing. I mean, that's affected generations of individuals and not only in terms of marginalization but also trust with the education system. You're not going to trust an education system if that education system has systemically and structurally excluded you over time and excluded multiple times. I'd like to add on to that. I didn't know we were going there but not at the way there, let's hit it. Okay, so we also have to take consideration not only historical and within schools but outside of schools. There's nobody who will watch this or listen to this who doesn't understand that there's a political arm today. There's structures in every state and every district of every city that is looking for its constituents. And by their constituents, you're talking about those who pay the most taxes. And in that way, we redline, we segregate those ways. And those kind of the treadmill you refer to deals with policy, deals with procedures. How do we get our government to actually focus on these things? The way the government tends to focus is the loudest voice. Who has the biggest pocketbook and who has the loudest voice? We saw in the 50s and 60s, we saw what they did down in Alabama, segregation now, segregation forever. We heard those kind of things. But today we have things like happening in Florida. We have it happen in Michigan and Texas and these other places where there's another pushback thing. Hey, we've done enough of that affirmative action stuff. Now everybody is on equal footing with opportunities. So we need to go forward from there. But yet we have folks like Senator Connie Laver in California who is advocate for these kinds of programs. We need more backbone in our political as well as our representatives of each state to actually look at the children who are at the bottom of the totem pole, the bottom of the barrel, the back of the bus still, not only academically, but also when they come out of school in terms of going on to higher education. So there are some things that still need to be done on the political landscape. You referenced policy and am I correct to say that often or would you agree that often the policy makers really have no sentiment, no empathy? And as you mentioned there, they have a political agenda often, but yet they're the ones that are introducing or influencing public school at times. And the people, would you agree? We have 7.4 million black students in the United States right now. And if we think about that student population and the degree of marginalization that they have experienced over time to reinforce inequality and socioeconomic disparity, why aren't we providing support for that student population in a very specific and direct way? Why wouldn't we as a nation unite to reverse some of the educational harm that our system has done over time? In the same way that we have as a nation also marginalized indigenous students, were taken from their families as early as four years old and sent to schools off reservations away from their families. And at that time the Department of Education said we had to erase the savage from the man. So the same degree of dare I say, indoctrination was done with our indigenous student population. And that's also been done for black students, right? Could you imagine going through your whole entire educational career, turning every single page of every single book and seeing white families, seeing white characters, seeing white heroes and never seeing yourself represented on those pages, never hearing the stories from your grandmother integrated into your curriculum. So it's about policy, but it's also taking our curriculum and the corresponding action that occurs with curriculum is instruction. So what are we doing as educators to instruct our students to really encourage innovation, creativity and cultural sustainability? I'm glad you mentioned the indigenous population because we're broadcasting as you know, interviewers know through the Honolulu studios and our viewership, we have not only the mainland in Hawaii, but we also have Southeast Asia and we do have viewers that are from indigenous populations most likely watching us today. So I'm glad you touched upon that. And Dr. Gilman, you do some work with indigenous and have some roots, I believe? I do, both. I work with them and do have some roots. So mine is from the Narragansett tribes, which is basically the Ojibwe band, which goes from all the way from Rhode Island, Massachusetts all the way up to Minnesota. And we find oftentimes, and that's on my father's side of the family, but we have seen in places like Milaks, which is in Northern Minnesota, and also Navajo Nations, all the nations across the country where you have the disenfranchisement not only of lands, a lot of places we talk with seated lands that Vanderbilt University sits on, that Purdue University sits on and almost every college and university from Harvard on down sits on, was either the land of indigenous people and built by the hands of enslaved black people. So there is a correlation to the oppression that has happened across the generations of folks that are here and those folks who are sitting in the islands and other places like that, they to themselves have been ostracized, especially coming to the mainland in terms of the continental United States in terms of jobs, employment, and things like that. So I very well much understand how this extends beyond if two equal people, there was a scholar by the name of Diva Pager, P-A-G-E-R who's now passed sociologist who came out of Northwestern University and she looked at like students who actually young adults who were going into the world of work and she looked at, created these backgrounds, equal employment, equal this, equal that and each time the European American got their call back at a higher rate which we kind of expected but what we didn't expect was when she changed them, what they call the books called Mark, M-A-R-K-E-D, Marked as Mark of a Criminal and what she did was she changed and varied the backgrounds of education and also criminal activity and what found a strange kick to the end of the book was that a white man about the same age as a black man with less education and a criminal record was called back at a higher percentage than the black person, a higher degree and with no criminal record. So even that cultural sustainability that we talk about, even that moving beyond the K-12 system affects us into our futures and that has to do a lot with our race and our culture. So again, when we talk about what scholar identity within the National Black Student Achievement Association does, we talk about that student having as being an advocate for themselves because let's face it, almost 90% depending on where you are, teachers tend to be female and high 80, sometimes 90% of them are white female, a lot of them are from college universities sort of come from middle to upper middle class backgrounds and then they're working with students who come from places that haven't been treated with the right dignity and respect that they deserve. So you have a cultural clash and that cultural clash oftentimes unfortunately ends up with students on the bad end of the situation deciding to opt out, stop out and drop out of school. Some of the work we did a few years ago found that in gifted education, nearly we actually misidentify, don't identify more students, black, brown, indigenous, low income than we identify overall. I mean, I think we would all agree that you can often find research to support anything if you can look hard enough but there is substantial research that generally supports. If there is success for these populations, these marginalized students generally track back to one teacher that made a difference in their life. If it's generally a teacher, we are educators and it probably catches our attention but if not a teacher, it could be a community advocate or a community leader, often in a faith-based situation. So in your work with the National Black Student Achievement Association, how do you collaborate with those communities and do you agree with my comment? So you talked about the work that's done in the classroom and we know you're playing a game with your instructional development for many of the books that you've written but what are your experiences to start with you and is that something else after your comments but what are your experiences working with communities? Absolutely, it's essential that we partner with not only school districts but also individuals within the community who are supporting the black student population because this whole idea behind cultural sustainability really means making those links to the home and community. Think about the varying ways of understanding that a community develops that may be different from the school. We see it all this time in mathematics, right? Teacher may explain a math problem and show the students a specific way how to do it and then the students go home and they speak with perhaps an uncle or a cousin and the uncle or cousin shows them a completely different way how to solve the same problem. That problem solving method that the student is learning from their families is one example of the cultural sustainability that we want to use and honor and value and integrate into the classroom. And there are a myriad of examples of ways in which students return home, tap into their cultural wealth, their home pedagogies and we want to bring that back into the school and have those communicated and integrated into the schools. And one of the ways that we can do that is by encouraging school sites to establish Black Student Achievement Programs and within those Black Student Achievement Programs to be calling on community mentors to be part of the school, to be integrated into the school to share their cultural wealth and ways of knowing with the schools to have that honored and integrated in the education system we find is essential. Dr. Gilman in the National Black Student Achievement Association, mentorship is very important as a student. So what types of personalities or backgrounds are you looking for as a mentor? Well, look, we have to face it that my daughter, for example, went to a Waldorf school. And what I realized going through the Waldorf school was that the cultural sustainability was everywhere for all the children, except for her. So I had to infuse that from home. And the reverse of that is true when Black students go into classrooms that are led by oftentimes white teachers or teachers who just haven't had culturally relevant pedagology and teaching practices through their K-12 education experience. I mean, through their college experiences. So we have to infuse that. So as Julia said, bringing home back in and another angle that is home is already there for a lot of these students. So how do we do that? One thing we do is that we actually look at what strengths a school is in a community. For example, here in Nashville, when I work with students in the summertime and programs, I use undergraduates and graduate students from Tennessee State University, Fisk University, as well as Vanderbilt University, Belmont University. And these tend to be students who are, would be Black students who are interested in education. So not only are you training them to be mentors, but they become the bridge to the gap to other students. But then also, Julia Sales talked about the family. How do we bring the family back into the school? Because trust me, at the Waldorf school or her high school, it was all girls and private and those things like that. Those parents were there every day. They were involved in the school system in some kind of way, the school board, the fundraisers, the tea cake parties and all those other kind of things. How do we involve that systemic, cultural, very necessary piece of Black families back into the school? So mentoring comes in many ways. It can be training up the teachers who are there. It can be training administrators to train the teachers. It can be also bringing in mentors from outside of the school, as well as the families.  Where a sponsor, I feel is somebody who takes you all the way through and helps you even beyond. I have a student wrote me just today just graduated this past June 23 and she actually said that she is now, I was a basketball player and now she's applying to graduate school. Can I write for her? And then, so those things, and I will write for her. So those are the kind of opportunities beyond what we consider success that students need. So mentoring, like I said, come in many ways, shapes and forms. You don't have to be just a Black male. You know, be just a Black female or Indigenous or whatever. You just have to care about the kids and also get to know their culture, their families and those things there. And that's what we find when we're especially looking at the Indigenous population, you really have to sit down and talk to the elders. When we passed now, Dr. Marsha Gentry and I started doing some work up at your boy nation up in Milaks, we sat down with grandparents and great-grandparents and they got to know us for two or three days before they even let us around their kids. If you'd like to sign up to become a mentor for our association, you can go to blkstudent.org backslash mentor. See that one more time. I was just going to ask one of you to do that. Give it again, Joel. Yes, it's blkstudent.org backslash mentor. If you'd like to join our mentorship network. With your permission, I would hope we could do a part two down the line through this session and have you both back. And it looks like our time is about winding down. So in the short time that remains, what do you see for the future? Possibly 35 seconds for you. Well, for me, with us on the case, I see great things in the future. I think because this is a 501C3 nonprofit, so if you're donating, donate as well because government's going to take your taxes anywhere, you just decide where you want them to go. And if not, help out student. So again, blkstudent.org. And I think that is something that we can do. For me personally, I think having access to platforms like this, having you interested in listening to us and also the work we're doing around the country is going to make a difference. I refuse to believe otherwise. We hope that this association serves as a catalyst to support other marginalized student groups and provide specific support services for those marginalized groups across the education system nationally. And don't forget to mention national standards that we have adopted, Dr. Nautberg. Yes, we do have a set of standards if you would like to start a black student achievement program. We have a set of standards that will help you launch and sustain that program over time. Glad you added that, that's perfect. Perfect opportunity for many that are probably watching us today. So with that, I share my appreciation and the appreciation of our viewers for you taking the time to be with us. And I hope that through all return, your viewers included, do be with us for part two. That probably will be immediately but maybe perhaps a month or so if we could do a part two, especially. Thank you. Thank you very much for your time. And next time, invite us out to Honolulu. That's not invitation. They haven't invited me yet. So for both of you, Dr. Gilman, would you tell us of the connection for your website and other initiatives? Sure, sure. Well, we have working on two. One is BLKstudent.org, which is a National Black Student Achievement Association. And then I also do one called Scholar Identity or OneWord.com, ScholarIdentity.com. And Scholar Identity and National Black Student Achievement Association are infused with the psychological social model that we're concerned with dealing with students. And again, as Julia mentioned earlier, this is something that we hope that becomes a foundational and a growth for other organizations to come out of this as well. I certainly hope so too. So with that, to our viewers, you have been watching The Creative Life on Think Tech Hawaii. And join us again in two weeks when our co-host, Phyllis Please, will have a guest for us in two weeks. And with that, aloha.


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