YouTube what's up man Eagles team team once again juiced. Is it the best team team all year outside of legends? Which legends team team has ruined the game, but Eagles team team still fun. Let me know what team team you guys are rocking If you're trying to be comp at all it should definitely be legends If not if you're having fun like me strict Eagles team team you guys know the deal I only want to use players that actually played for the Eagles for a significant time had an impact on the team I don't want the art monks and even the Mike did cuz and cards like that just cuz they can get Eagles team team Doesn't mean they are Eagles team team speaking to Eagles Eagles Giants this weekend. Who do you like? I think the Eagles by 20 easy game over by the third quarter. We're sipping brews. We're eating pizza We're having a good time relaxing. No stress Eagles win go to the NFC championship game. Who will they play? Maybe the Cowboys Cowboys got the Niners. I'm not gonna pick the Cowboys, but I'm not gonna not pick the Cowboys I don't know if they can go out there and beat Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy is due for an L Chiefs will flood the Jags the Chiefs are the best team in the AFC Bengals bills. Who do you like? What do you know? What do you say Bengals bills? It is in Buffalo? Josh Allen kind of been throwing lately. He's kind of been throwing lately He's due for a turnover every game you can count on him to turn a ball over more than Daniel Jones More than Brock Purdy more than that. I mean nobody says it, but Josh Allen is due for a turnover He really is so we'll see. I think I'm still picking the bills at home I think their defense is a little bit better than the Bengals defense But man, that's that's probably the game in a weekend. Honestly, so we have Chiefs first bills and we'll have Cowboys vs. Eagles NFC championship game. That would be nuts Let's take a look at the team right now Eagles team team. You guys know the deal We got Randall cutting him in quarterback Keith Byers, Quez Watkins, AJ Brown, Devonte Smith, Zach Hertz That Eagles actual starting offensive Oh, no, I had this guy Jack Anderson who was on the Eagles and then they cut him and then the Giants picked him up Pretty good player pretty good young player and we got the new AJ Brown. This is the new card This is this is the prized possession. You see him with the plus 297 speed. We got him Well, I mean, let's be honest Robert's abilities don't matter. I was thinking about this earlier There's three things that matter in this order Abilities first size of the human second height actual girth You know sometimes like girthy players like Mean Joe green or fridge or even Keith Byers his overall girth is a big deal You know, but I would say abilities size and then speed other than that.  What's his trucking 92 truck as a as a wide receiver kind of girthy in his own right He's kind of a girthy male in his own right. There he is AJ Brown. That's kind of how he plays. He's actually a tank So we'll use him for sure Keith Byers Randall cutting him not my abilities because we don't have all the discounted abilities We're just throwing stuff out here. We got like short ends Y receiver apprentice on Devante Smith. We got Red zone threat and route tack on AJ Brown. We got bruiser on Keith Byers Just throwing around a lot of different things I wouldn't have normally but because I can't have what I have on the main team Just making a shake a little bit different if you see something light up I couldn't even tell you what it is defense CJ Gardner Johnson the new this is with the guy I call the quad father stopper right here CJ Gardner Johnson 97 speed actual stud will put him with pick artists and we'll put him with tackle supreme for the one There it is. He's gonna go ahead and make some tackles He is the quad stopper the quad father quad stopper dropper Mr. CJ Gardner Johnson who honestly, I don't know how he made the probe Oh, he played like half the year because of injury and still led the NFL in their receptions So, you know, we got Russell Douglas.  So there it is and I have TJ Edwards and I have Brian Dawkins at linebacker Darius laywood Acrobat and pick artists will see if that does any good for me. This is the squad Eagles theme team and once again Let me know what what theme team you guys are rocking and let me know Who do you got winning the four games this weekend? That's most important Eagles Cowboys Bills chiefs Go birds check out this gameplay Get that. Come on now. Yeah, whoo Bradbury Great play there on fourth down. Great. Great play, dude.  It's really like the bum meta. Isn't it? It's sad. It really is sad boys Oh, I don't have high rock masters Sad life that I live Devonte Bro, how do you just how are you this box man?  I it is this offense Convinced tight offset, dude. God just snap any play good throw.  You don't even look at the field This will be open. How do you just know huddle to beat that? Oh my god, and we're just running. We're just running. Come on. No huddle.  They really yeah run again, dude. You're getting kicked out of you Oh, now we're gonna do a pass play here. Nice Yep. Yep. Yep. Now we'll do a quick snap pass one for five 21 yards against the Eagles team team Oh, he did a run.  Yeah There's a problem with madden right here. This is the problem with madden right here It's like this.  It really does. The only thing good on defense is glitch blitz I don't play good people AJ Brown I mean not having high rock masters actually So I can't lie to you boys. It is pretty Devonte Smith.   I swear to god.  I refuse to pinch my line No, I just refuse to until I have to later in the game.   Seriously Oh my god. W. What are you looking at? I mean sleigh. Are we like anywhere near that? Like are we like anywhere near that play? Like what are we doing sleigh zone sucks, dude?    How many people got a june? AJ Like he was in a hard flat and I thought his first his first step went down and I'm like So glad I got red zone threat on that guy, huh? There it is red zone threat. There it is Oh, yeah That's tough I should run one trap a little bit more. It'll do you a little bit better. All right, boy Little more on one trap less trying to look at the field. This guy would be better or tomorrow not tomorrow I ain't gonna say tomorrow night, but like AJ Brown I will be tailgating eagles game. I don't want nobody that wants to go to the game Like spamming gonna be there, but he's gonna be plastered. There'll be a play right now. I'm madden I swear to god Inside stuff make old one trap better. Oh one trap is absolutely killing me Like this guy wasn't and literally just ran that every play with the quad father. I might be in trouble Hard flat good throw man way to look at the field It's like the inside stuff just goes the other yo, that's the second time my my tackle supreme guy got thrown to the ground You want to do this down by whatever you're down by that's fine Now if I was losing I would have to pinch my line or something. He's gonna get impatient. Yep. There it is. There it is impatience impatience Like dude, just it's absolute dogs. Oh my god, man.  Let's go, baby another old one trap Down by 14 with two minutes left. See, I never really cared if people like random ball down two scores It's really once it gets like Like what are we doing right now? Like one is more down. You don't got that Slay.  I don't know what play that was Let's go fridge Weapon X Just let the clock run here boys. Don't gotta keep playing defense hard here Hit them hard. Oh, he gets out of balance. Come on, man. My god I don't know how you like I don't know what play ran that he threw that pass like I swear that he just made one hot rod snap The zone is so trash, bro It really is trash. I don't know. Once I kick nice, you're definitely gonna stop Might be a little bit tougher for you guys to do some of this stuff Okay, a lot of one person that needed touches quest Quest is like the one dude that needs a touch You get to this one though, right?  Good time out. We're gonna waste my life through Carmichael big body Let's go man game right way, baby Ggs eagles theme team with the dobski Ggs ggs ggs All right, man Let's look at the stats from this game as we passed with 343. What a marvelous I feel like everybody went off everybody had 100 yards for the birds Oh divante smith 107 aj brown two touchdowns 81 Quest with the 87 yard touchdown earths 258, but there it is divante smith aj brown Doing what they do best wide receiver doing the league. Who do you guys? Is there anybody maybe waddle and tirey kill, but we see how little they came up in the playoffs, so I might put divante smith and aj brown, especially if they go off in the playoffs If they go off in the playoffs, they got the number one spot boys CD and gallop. Okay. All right. I see we're back to the portion of the program where we just talk to talk


Just wait for it. Wonderful, that's all said. So if someone could lead and pray, we will continue. So Ruba, are you? Good morning. Good morning, ma'am. Good morning. Good morning, sister. Good morning, friend. Shall I pray, ma'am? Yes, yes, sister, please. Okay. Father God, we come to your throne of grace with thanksgiving and praise. Thank you for your mercies are new every morning in our lives, Lord. Great is thy faithfulness in our lives.  In the name of Jesus, we thank and praise you for our class, for our faculty, Pastor Nancy, for teaching us this prophetic and clearing us so many doubts and granting us a new understanding on this subject. Father God, empower us, Lord, help us to be your faithful ministers and servants and children, followers wherever we are, Lord God. May your name be glorified through our lives. May our lives, PSE, live for the pleasing sacrifice unto you, Lord. Thank you for this morning. Open our hearts to receive your word, Lord God. Strengthen us in your might in Jesus' name. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Amen. Amen. Thank you, sister. Thank you so much. So we are doing a couple of chapters that are remaining in the understanding the apostolic and so far we have a good idea of what the apostolic anointing looks like and what that can accomplish and who an apostle is and what the kind of apostolic leadership looks like. So the last class we touched on a church becoming more apostolic as compared to only having a pastoral leadership and we said that the Church of Antioch is a wonderful example where we see a teamwork taking place and also as we look at the early church we see that people where father, they were not just instructed but also mentored and led to become leaders. When I say become, it also has to do with the grace that God has given them, the calling that each one of them have. So basically facilitate whatever call of grace that God has put upon them. So there is an element of fathering which is definitely there when someone pastors a church but when we talk about the apostolic, it's at the next level and fathering makes a very, it plays a crucial part in the way a church is led. So we looked at that, we saw how a church can become more apostolic and the focus will also be outward rather than just inward. I told us that member care, taking care of members, he is all that is important but when we talk about the apostolic, together with that comes a pioneering spirit, a spirit that wants to break through into new territories. So there's an outward focus in the way things are done in a church setting or a church family. Yes, so that's something we saw and then we saw how the citywide church at the city level to have apostolic leaders and have them united and work for the cause of the salvation of the city and breakthroughs in the city, transformation of the city, all that will take place when these leaders come together. Then today we will look at what I'll do is I'll just summarize. There are a few themes that are running through the next three chapters. So I'll summarize instead of going chapter 8, chapter 9, chapter 10, instead of looking at it like that. Sorry class, for my frequent sneezing and things like that, I don't know, it's just been way too dusty around where I live. So mornings I'm just kind of trying to settle into it. So anyway, so thank you for bearing with all this. So what I was saying is there are some themes that run through the next few chapters. So I'll just touch on those themes then that should give us good clarity about the apostolic. So the next three topics here have to do with developing and imparting the apostolic. Then there is raising of apostolic churches and finally about the practical issues concerning the apostolic ministry. So coming to the new thoughts here, developing imparting the apostolic that basically talks about us understanding what the apostolic anointing carries and how it looks different from a pastoral leadership. Because if we don't recognize that when God is moving among us, when God is raising up apostolic leaders, we will not have an open heart to say yes to what God is doing. So we need an understanding, a clear understanding of apostolic ministry, apostolic calling, apostolic anointing. So develop that understanding and also develop the understanding about the governmental authority that this call as an apostle carries. Because the way a leader will lead, especially an apostle will lead, will be so, so different from the way a pastor will lead a church. So if I don't understand, then I might think that someone is just trying to do their own thing and never recognize that there is going to be a large impact of the apostolic way of leading God's people. So yes, just basically have this develop this understanding, accommodate what God is doing through the apostolic anointing. Now, what we have next over here is raising of apostolic churches. So in raising apostolic churches, there are some distinctive features which I talked about. Apostolic churches are pioneering in nature, pioneering has to do with breaking new ground or taking new territory, entering places that nobody else has entered before. So that's pioneering, pioneering. So apostolic churches have that feature about them. They do something new, they enter a new place, then building. So just entering a new place is not sufficient, but establishing a foundation and building upon it. So the apostolic, as I told us, you have Paul who goes and plans churches, but he also comes back to ensure that the believers are growing well, to see that the leaders are appointed in the church. So the overall health of the church, growth of the church, and also at some point to see these believers go forward. Please give me a moment. Yes. So those are the differentiating features. Now, we could also say that when we look at the apostolic church, there can be a process which they follow to establish the work of God. So even in one of the previous chapters, I didn't look, I didn't talk about it earlier, but in chapter five year, those stages are enlisted. We have the territorial entrance, we have pioneering stage, building stage, governing voice, and apostolic base. So there are five stages. So there is also a process. What is this process? The process is, as territorial entrance suggests, recognizing where God is leading us and making an entry into it. And I will not go into the details of this because we have discussed this earlier in the House of God course, where we said that when someone is planting a church, to make that entrance will require spiritual preparation on the part of the individuals, the team, as well as the place. So there's some amount of spiritual warfare that one needs to engage in in order to breakthrough into that territory. So we might find that there are apostolic teams and leaders that are taking extended periods of time in prayer. I recently attended a church planting conference and in that conference, different pastors were sharing their experience. And I still remember something that was common in what they were saying is that amount of time each one took to pray through, even after God showed them the place, there was one particular church who said that for an entire year, for an entire year, they only had prayer, they had worship. And every Sunday, there was nothing, nothing else which they did as a team. It was a small team, but they prayed and prayed and prayed because there is also the spiritual aspect of warfare and preparing ourselves, preparing the environment through prayer. So territorial entrance happens in this manner. And I remember the pastor saying that he is so enthusiastic about writing sermons and he already had a whole bunch of sermons which he could carry on with that for a couple of years, but then he had to hold on and take up God's instruction and say, okay, we will invest in prayer, we will invest in worship, we will prepare ourselves, we will prepare the territory. And then he began and then he was sharing all the miracles that took place, how God connected this person to someone totally unknown, but they had a beautiful space where the church could take place, services could be conducted and in that way. So he kind of began to share all those stories and this particular church is part of a movement. Remember, I'm talking about the apostolic way of doing things and generally apostolic has a movement. So this was one church, a part of a network that has many, many, many churches that follow a similar way of doing things. So it was an apostolic network actually. So territorial entrance, that's how it all begins, you enter first and then you establish yourself there. So territorial entrance, pioneering stages, you kind of prep based on the opportunity or the environment that you see. So prepare yourself in that manner and then you begin to build on it. So when it comes to the building stage, there are many things that have to be put in place. So what we need is when we're talking about apostols, apostolic networks, we will need to know who is leading and who is God working through. So the apostols within the local church, they are identified and they begin to fath the entire process. Then establishing of strong leadership and governmental responsibility within the local church. So strong leadership, obviously remember we said a team will come into the picture where many different people are doing things based on the calling of God on their lives and governmental responsibility. Governmental responsibility is to display strong authority, strong authority so that things are done according to the standards of God's word. Then establish strong doctrine within the local church. I think I've talked about this. The apostolic has this feature. They're very clear about the core beliefs and never compromise on that. Remember the Jerusalem council where they literally fought with those who are coming up with a different doctrine about salvation. So the apostolic will establish strong doctrine. Then establish order within the local church. Order within the local church is, if you recall, we talked about the sacraments. We talked about the pulpit, how things are done from the pulpit, the format of the church, many other processes that take place in the church. The leadership appointed correctly in a timely way. The right person in the right place at the right time. All this is a responsibility of the apostolic leaders. So they establish all this and develop new wineskin. New wineskin is nothing but being open to a new structure and a new way of doing things that God is leading them to. So even now when you look at apostolic networks, there are a couple of networks. I think I mentioned some common ones that you would find on the net. You could look up Calvary Chapel. You could look up New Frontiers Association. You could also look up recently. There's also an evangelical group that redeemer city to city. So these are all church planting movements that have emerged. You kind of see a new way of doing things and you wonder, hey, so far people were not doing things like this, but here are all these movements that are doing things in a different way. The leaders look different. The church formats look very different. But that's the new wineskin as the Lord begins to move them. They do things in a different way to accommodate what God is pouring upon them. So these are some of the features during the building stage. Then of course, there's a governing voice. Governing voice simply means gaining the kind of respect and honor and being heard by the people whom they are leading as well as you could say the spiritual family in the city, also the officials, the governmental structure in the city. So basically God establishes the apostolic with a voice. Voice is like to be heard when you say something. Like you have the Jerusalem Council, they made a decree and they said, okay, Gentiles do not have to be circumcised in order to be saved. Now that is it, period. And people had to take it up seriously. That's a governing voice that tells people what to do. And the apostolic carries that. It becomes a governing voice of spiritual authority over the region and people take note of what is being spoken and said. So in other words, it is incredible influence that God gives the apostolic church and the apostolic network of churches. So God would do this. And this can translate into city transformation. It can translate into social reforms. It can translate into influencing authorities, local authorities, civic authorities, civic bodies around us, having a voice when it comes to policy making, so all these things. That's how the apostolic will influence. Then finally, stage five is apostolic base. Again, Antioch is a beautiful example because the church grew. And after the church grew, what happened is all these people who had been fathered, the people who had been equipped and trained, they were released to go and take up their own ministry. And you still had the leaders come back to this, if you want to call it the original church, the Antioch church and bring back a rapport, fellowship, excuse me, with the believers there and work together, continue to work together. So apostolic base is a technical way of putting it. But if you, there are some people who use the term family, this is our church family that we come from. So we could be, like I'm just giving an example. I am from APC Bangalore, but I could go to other parts of the nation and do what God is calling me to do. I could equip people and come back or I can go plant churches and come back. I can go to other parts of the world and come back. But my base church, my apostolic base is APC Bangalore. So that is the way in which this works. So generally when you look at the church movements, you would find that there was one particular church from where the leaders emerged and they began to go all over the place and plant churches. But then eventually, they do come back, they have their gatherings. Even if they've changed geographically, there is a base that they all refer back to. So this happens in the apostolic way of doing things. So there are some stages. As I pointed out, you have the territorial stage, you have the pioneering stage, which is starting on the initial work. Then we said building, very important. So the apostolic work is set in order. The doctrine is set very clearly for people to follow. So that would be our building stage. And once the building stage is done, governing voice or having an authority and being heard is the governing voice stage. And then finally, apostolic base, where the work continues, nothing has changed. All of what we talked about so far is established. It's in order and the work continues. But there is a body that people can come back to, a place of reference and just reconnect, refresh, recharge up again and go back and continue God's work that he has called them to do. So this is how an apostolic way of doing things in a local church will look like. So it's very different. You see, it's very different. So a normal local church is only used to coming, listening to some sermons, being equipped. They do engage, go share with other people, fulfill God's great commission. But then when one is part of an apostolic church, you will notice that there is a very notable outward focus. So in some way, everyone's required to contribute. Everyone's required to step up. Everyone's required to do something for God because all of us are the saints who have been called to work in the kingdom or serve in the kingdom. So an apostolic church will be like that. So for some people, it can be very intense. For some people, it can be way too active. People who are part of apostolic movements and churches might think, hey, I don't have a calm moment to just sit in peace because there's something or the other going on. Everyone's engaging in reaching out to the nations and reaching out here and there and all of this. So the challenges with the apostolic way of doing things can be that it can be very intense, very intense. It can be very intense in spiritual things. There's a lot of emphasis on the right doctrine and everyone has to grow spiritually and all that because if you're going to do something for God, no, we have to be growing, we're constantly growing. So it's all too intense. So some people may find it intense. Some people may find that the leadership is way too strong and way too focused and it's like too much for them to take. The focus is advancing the kingdom. So again, one can't just come and just be there and not do anything for years. Initially, maybe that's possible, but eventually everybody needs to engage in such an active way of doing things. So what can be some challenges? People might feel uncared for. They might feel that it's always about doing something or it's always about some agenda. So as a person, as a human being, they feel that the kind of attention they need and the kind of time they need is not being given in the apostolic setup. So that can happen. We know that some of us are wired naturally to be doers. So we know how to run, get things done and be ambitious about God's kingdom and advance the kingdom. So some of us are naturally like that. So it's a lot easier for us to tap into movements of this sort. But then some of us, just personality wise, we may not be that geared to moving at the space. So for people like that, it can be quite uncomfortable. They might feel left behind. They might feel like everyone else is going ahead and I'm so slow. Or it could just be a season of somebody's life where they are unable to cope up with the speed at which things are going on in the church, the apostolic church or in the apostolic movement. So now that we understand that these things can happen, these challenges cannot come as apostolic movements and churches, we can more intentionally care for people so that people don't feel that that is not important. So in fact, apostolic churches should take this all the more seriously and make sure that the people feel very loved and noted and that they belong to what is happening and everything that God is doing through the church or the movement. It's because of all these people being part of that movement. So apostolic churches need to consider this challenge and compensate for it. So that's the way we will improve. Now another thing, people feeling left behind. So remember when we talked about mentoring in the Kingdom of God, we said that mentoring, a huge part of mentoring is to facilitate. So we are here for people to journey through life, recognize their calling and do what God has called them to do, not to dictate terms to people. So even if people are slower or people are taking time to understand the grace of God over their life, the gift of God, where do they fit in? They're just going through a tough season in their lives.  Maybe they just got married or they just had a baby. So many things take place and that can slow down their speed of doing ministry. Maybe they were doing, they were really fast but in this season of life, they want to focus on other things. It's all fine. So we must learn to accommodate, we must learn to accommodate people, accommodate their unique journey with God and apostolic churches must be all the more intentional about doing this. So praise God for all the good things that come with the apostolic but when apostolic churches are intentional about all these aspects, it can be a blessing. So coming here to the last aspect in our notes, it simply says that because apostolic churches are so intense and generally they are focused on one man, generally they are focused on one man, what can happen is that people can become very you know, give all their attention to that, the leadership of that person can become very human centric at the end of the day and that's a danger. That's a danger that we must perceive from before and not let that happen and apostolic leaders tend also to be very strong. So we need leaders, apostolic leaders who are also working with humility. So while training leaders to kind of also emphasize on character on all these right attitudes becomes all the more important otherwise there are you know movements, apostolic movements that you can read about that have gone wrong because of such strong leadership that went wrong. So these are all the pitfalls and dangers. So Ashik Kumar, do you have a question? Would you like to unmute and ask your question please? Yes, Pastor, thank you. Pastor, my question is like in the early churches when we read the epistels, they were all under the covering of Apostle Paul or Apostle Fanon. Yes, yes, carry on. Yeah, so I just want to know that today it's very rare we see that any church is under any covering of an apostolic covering. So I just want to know that is it necessary that every church should be under the covering of an apostolic or an apostolic covering should be there apostolic guidance is needed for every churches because if you see the majority of the churches they are individually running how the God is leading them. So that is my question. Thank you, Pastor. Yes, yes, thank you Ashik Kumar and a very pertinent question because recently a lot of people are asking about this apostolic covering. So apostolic covering simply means having a strong apostolic leadership so which means you know you probably have an Apostle and being led by that Apostle spiritually getting our guidance, inputs and support from that leader or leadership. So what has happened over the years is there are again a lot of church movements where some of the church movements are such that they have church planters from within the movement. So you have people whom they have trained up to go and plant churches. So they automatically come under that apostolic covering. Covering is nothing but providing of direct leadership over the people but then there are some movements where people have started out independent. So they are an independent church they have their independent vision but they want to associate or get connected to a governance or a leadership, apostolic leadership. So that is called as apostolic covering coming under an apostolic covering. So from what we see in scripture Ashik Kumar I don't think it is a prerequisite for a church to exist. A church can be independent. A church can pursue the vision that God has given that particular church and if they don't come under apostolic leadership of some sort it is perfectly fine. So people don't have to look for now let's say I started a church okay now I'm working I'm doing stuff independently I need not come under an apostolic covering I need not. But if it happens or if God is moving upon my heart to come under some sort of an apostolic covering that's fine. Now if I if as a church I don't come under apostolic covering do I miss out on anything is there something wrong with the way I'm doing my ministry I don't think so because you don't see any prerequisite that everyone has to officially come under an apostolic covering there is no such prerequisite. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah I mean is there a follow-up to that? Yes, that was my doubt actually. Thank you. Okay sure sure sure yes yes thank you Shikaman. All right Kennedy you have something to ask? Yes okay thank you thank you very much. What I wanted to inquire is that there are cases where you've seen pastors having ministries that have gone online and they also run CBOs this community based organization. Would you consider the plan to be apostolic? Okay yeah good question. Yeah thank you. So you see that's why no Kennedy I said we have to we have to look at the biblical features of the Apostolic Anointing and that will help us decide whether a ministry is apostolic whether a person is an apostle or a leader is an apostle. So just look look for the features. What are the features? Features are being able to pioneer something. Pioneer a move of God or you know pioneer something something new in the way God is doing things. So is that that can you can you vouch for that? Are they are they pioneering new things for God? Then we would also see they're providing strong leadership. Are they providing strong leadership as far as the doctrine is concerned?  So do you see that happening? Do you what else? Do you see that this person and the movement which they started or you want to if you don't want to use the term movement that's okay the church which they started it has received a lot of honor respect socially. Do you see that they they spiritually have a voice among the citywide church where other pastors and leaders are able to connect through relationship with this particular apostle or the church and it's a mutually beneficial relationship. It is strengthening the body of Christ and this leader this church has a voice. So what they say they're able to influence the citywide church and also they're able to influence the civic authorities. They have a voice at the highest level you could say the state level here in India that's how we have the cities we have the states then we have the nation. So is it rising up in a way to have that authority at the highest level. So observe all these things just because a ministry has multiple multiple locations multiple activities multiple churches right multiple so just having many things going on it's not apostolic. So if I if I am online and I also have CBOs that's wonderful but that's not necessarily apostolic okay so that is how you distinguish that is how you distinguish so just being able to do a lot of things or let's say even me if I have planted five churches in my lifetime I'm not an apostle I'm I need not be an apostle maybe I planted 10 churches in my lifetime I need not be an apostle. I hope it answers your question Kennedy. Yeah I understand now thank you thank you. Yeah okay thank you very good questions there any more any more today is your last class by the way so if you have any questions it'll be amazing to get more clarity on on this subject. Sorry sorry for coming back to you again. No no go ahead. Can you talk about the financial stewardship in these apostolic things how they are modeled about how to handle their finances. Okay yes Kennedy very good question again because it's very practical no so if we are talking about church movements and all that so if you look at the models that exist around us each one has their own best they have their own best practices okay so that way I think each movement can decide for itself or themselves they can decide as to what works for their setting. So I know of some organizations that that that have churches but initially for the churches to connect to those movements they have to pay a fee to become a part of that apostolic movement so I don't know maybe that demonstrates their commitment or what I don't know but that's how they've made it so they collect a fee and then you know they as they work along with this organization so they might give the name then give their name let's say I am a church of hope it's just an example I hope there is no church of hope movement that you are aware of so church of hope so let's Kennedy wants to join me Kennedy has to give me a fee and I give him my name so then Kennedy's church will be a church of hope from wherever he comes from then as I'm working with with Kennedy you know these networks also have a way of supporting so then they will evaluate they will see how the work is going on and they might recognize that Kennedy needs financial support so they will enlist some pastors who will receive a support for a period of time maybe up to two years so each each network has their own cut off two years or something like that then they will give you a support they will come up with that support and they'll give that to you then after that they would expect you to be self-sufficient by yourself so by then hopefully you have a reasonably good size of congregation and there is some income which you are able to generate through the tithes and offerings and the way you've managed your resources so you know after two years they might just cut off so you still carry the name hope of God church but it's not any financial you know interactions but it's more of you you go by our teachings and we are here to guide you lead you support you maybe you're going through opposition persecution we are there to support you and usually apostolic networks also tend to be more like a family so they have their conferences once a year they have their regional get-togethers so there's a sense of hey I belong to this group I belong to this network of churches so that's how they work so the financials work that way but then there are other networks where from the get-go they they will work out a support and say okay come on we are going to pay you X amount of money just to support you to to stand on your feet then again they can either have a cut off or they it could be indefinite they'll say okay this is the amount and we continue to give it to you throughout you decide you know what what amount would be your salary from it or you know what amount would be directed towards the ministry everything you decide but this is the amount we're giving you you should be able to run your ministry with this so that's how you know some of these churches do it so this is a way of you know financially helping churches under you now there can be some networks but but I have not come across you know this example where everything is done centrally centrally means all the money that comes in it goes into the head office of the apostolic network and the expenses for the connected churches comes through the head office but you see it's it's a law it practically that is challenging to do isn't it like every approval every small amount of money so I I I have not seen any large networks which have this model where centrally the amount comes in and from there all the decisions are made and it is sent out to the people usually when there are church plans and the church plans are in other parts of the country a more independent way of working helps where a support amount is given and the local pastor there will you know he will he will run with that amount and maybe a report back on on the way he is using those those finances so yeah some details therefore you can indeed I hope it helps you yeah thank you very much thank you very much yeah sure sure there are also some networks where there is a seed amount they call it seed amount seed amount is to launch so you know a church might want to have a big inauguration or you know like a launch a launch party some such as college so the network will help facilitate that they they will give the money required to make that nice launch so that others come to know you the other pastors in the city come to know you so you know all these ways and I'm sure there are many models Kennedy many models when it comes to helping and supporting the network of churches yes so any any other questions thoughts comments I hope I I'll see you in the next year everyone next semester yeah yeah go ahead Christopher you have something to say yeah I can hear you can you give us some examples of churches or church in that has traditions in in Bangalore as well as you know in India uh not necessarily you know had that as a source of in Bangalore or to riches in Bangalore and what is what would be unique uh in you know in the way they are demonstrating that for apostolic covering hmm okay okay sure Christopher okay in Bangalore is it in Bangalore okay uh I for one believe that APC is apostolic they and its nature so that is one example for you um I have heard about the new frontier churches so they have you know they have churches not just um uh in in different cities so in Bangalore also I I think so uh oh maybe not in Bangalore but uh yeah so new frontier is is another one it's a UK based organization but they have churches all over the world um then vineyard vineyard is another movement which you know started started out in the US vineyard churches you would have heard about that I think yeah there are churches in Bangalore which are vineyard they are connected to the vineyard movement then most recently I think even uh churches like new life and all you can say they are apostolic to next night I don't know too much about the new life church but I know there are lots of churches around the country which are called new life so yeah I think so uh you could also look at networks like Assemblies of God uh Assemblies of God uh has many churches but it differs in in a in a sense no from what we were talking about because we said there's you know a central leadership sort of you know an apostolic uh voice but when it comes to the Assemblies of God I think they're all independent they work as a network uh but if you consider individual churches their visions are very different the way they do things is very different uh so uh churches are very different so I don't know if um Assemblies it's a network yes but does it come uh under what we are saying as an apostolic church I don't I don't need to know a little more about Assemblies of God so that is another one recently I heard about uh some church called Cross Road Cross Road yeah Cross Road Cross Point uh they also they also are into church planting they're into church planting so they have uh one location in one part of the city they have another location somewhere else so Cross Road is also something that I came across um yeah because I think these these are the ones that I can share right now of my mind yeah you had another question attached to that uh what was something unique about that you know that that meet them what is unique about them yeah so the uniqueness about them is as I told us um okay let me take for example uh vineyard okay uh the unique thing about them was see it was started by this person called John Wimber and John Wimber was uh saved from an atheistic sort of a lifestyle he joined the church but he discovered the gifts of the spirit yeah so he discovered the gifts of the spirit and he was very very thrilled by it and he felt accord to have churches that will practice the gifts of the spirit so remember we said uh you know apostolic leaders uh and strong strong doctrine they build they uh put things in order and in place so the way his teaching was so all of the vineyard churches that got planted after that uh were all churches that believed in the baptism of the holy spirit they were they believed in the working of miracles they believed in the practice of the gifts of the spirit by every individual in the church so the doctrine generally uh Christopher tends to be common uh among all the churches so that would be the connecting factor of the of these churches so if you consider other churches in let's say a new life or a cross road different different one to go back to that core uh beliefs that would be something unique or or their emphasis I should say their emphasis on the doctrine will be something unique um then the appointing of leadership each of these churches the way they appoint leadership will be completely different uh so some of them they uh will will see you know leaders grow up uh among them and then they will decide okay you are you are good to uh plant churches now be part of an internship so the way they appoint leaders will be something different network you can observe that um uh yeah so I think these would be the the two key things Christopher the way of doing things and the doctrine yeah sure thank you and I just realized we've run out of time so uh class what I would say is the stream page on google classroom is still there so if you have questions you can continue to ask till the end of the semester but for now we'll just wrap up the the session and thank you so much for being such a curious and an inquisitive class you know I really love that about your class it makes me learn more so thank you for that opportunity and I really hope that you know whatever you all have learned that uh you you will be able to use it and see god work amazing things through your life so may god bless you abundantly let me pray and close uh today's session let's pray together heavenly father we are so grateful lord for this entire semester and the course on uh the prophetic and the apostolate father god thank you for all that you are doing thank you for all that you are teaching us lord father I pray that you will help us lord to be anchored to the truth lord in in a in a very clear way father that we would know um distinctly lord truth from error and father god I pray that through what we have learned that we will see uh oh god your work lord demonstrated through each one of our lives lord bless every single student in this course father bless their families bless their ministry and lord I pray that you will be exalted lord in and through all of us we thank you once again father we come at ourselves into your hands in Jesus name we pray amen amen so god bless you class and thank you so much for being a part of this journey thank you thank you god bless you thank you thank you so much thank you say god bless god bless bye bye for now thank you thank you bye thank you thank you bye bye kennedy yeah bye sirupa god bless bye kennedy yeah thank you louis abinash abhishek mangi samuel christopher shikumar thank you everyone god bless you


Hey guys, welcome back to another MaxForce Construction Update. First off, I'm sorry if my voice sounds completely awful. I actually was at the park all day yesterday and I was sick for a week before that. So my voice is pretty tired and I actually lost my voice yesterday. So the fact that I'm even saying this is a pretty huge miracle. First thing I want to talk about with MaxForce is how absolutely huge it is. You can see it from everywhere in the park. And I especially know just when I was riding Raging Bull, the first turnaround after the job, you're right next to the structure of MaxForce and it's higher than you on the turnaround of Raging Bull, which is a 208 foot tall monster. And this coat, MaxForce is slated to be 175 feet tall, but you hear that number and you're like, oh, that's 175 feet tall, cool. But when you actually put it right next to Raging Bull and you see that it's taller than the second highest part of the ride, it's pretty mind-blowing. You can see it from everywhere in the park. It sticks out in a good way. It's a very clean-looking coaster and paint scheme. And of course, there it's actually proving to be very photogenic, especially with Raging Bull. I'll put up a couple pictures that I took right now, but it the dueling aspect with Raging Bull and then maybe MaxForce trains will make this even cooler. It's in such a great spot. Obviously, since the last time we've had a construction update, they have made a lot more progress on the supports in the track. Last time we saw it, the double tower double inversion thing was just supports and now they have the whole supports are up and they have all the track. And actually if you look at the track, it's very interesting because if you look at the very tip of the double inversion, there's actually three sets of drive tires. These are in case of a rollback or it's about to stall and if, like if it were to stall, the drive tires could push it over. The two other SNS coasters that I know have it are Dota Donpa. It has it at the top of the loop to push it over. And then also on Aloco on one of the dive loops, there's a pair of drive tires. This is just seems to be an SNS thing and it'll help reduce the chances of rollback. So if you get a rollback on MaxForce, then it's even more rare. Work on the launch track seems to be progressing pretty quickly. They have a lot of concrete in the ground. They have the air tubes that we saw in a past construction update. Those are in case and look to be set up. The actual launch track seems to be all in place. The cable for the launch system seems to be in there because there is a launch dog already on the track. However, there has been no work done on the station yet. There's a foundation, but it hasn't gone vertical yet. So there's still plenty of work to be done and then there's also track right after the double inversion. They still need to work on the other two inversions that haven't been, haven't even gone vertical yet. However, there are supports. There are parts of supports for it and there aren't many supports or track left in the parking lot. So track, what I'd say is about 60% completed. So maybe we can still hope for a Memorial Day opening. I don't know at this point. Like there's a month. I don't know if they'll be able to do all that in a month, but crazier things have happened, I guess. I know Goliath was actually tapped off in on like May 20th and it opened to the public in June, on June 6th or something like that. So it was a very fast turnaround once they finally completed all the track work. One thing that is cool that we haven't had in a while, the Skytrack Tower has been closed since about September of last year and it reopened for the first time today. It was a very windy day yesterday so it wasn't open for very long. So me personally, I wasn't able to actually get up there, but one of my friends Matt, you can check out his Instagram link in the description. He got up there, he was able to take some nice overview pictures. You can see on these pictures that there's work being done on the exit gift shop and the entrance and basically every single place. You can see that they still haven't put the track pieces in for the transfer track, but that's for, Six Flags actually does a thing where they, where Diamond Elite Passholders can come and sign the piece of a transfer track and they're actually doing that next Sunday, which would be April 29th for people watching this later in the future. I know they actually did this with a Kingdom car when it opened, so that's kind of what it'll look like. Going back to the ground, they were actually working on adding ladders to the side of the double inversion today. We saw them behind Raging Bull actually pulling the ladders out of shipping containers and then also installing them on the second leg or the second inversion of the ride. Now if we head over to the front entrance in the gift shop, it looks like, I'm guessing they're probably not even going to change the facade for the pictorium. They'll just put a sign over the archway that used to hold the pictorium sign, which I mean reduce, reuse, recycle, right? It's cheaper. If we peek inside the gift shop, you can see that it's totally empty except for a couple like coat hangers or something. It does look like that there's a door in the back and they're still working on stuff. The last important thing that needs to be built is actually the bridge going over the launch and under the zero G roll for the train, which hasn't been started at all. There's a couple of footers in the ground, but they still need to build that bridge and that seems to be like a little bit of a problem because they need the train to go through work still needs to start on that. So they still have a fair bit of work to get done, but hey in these past two months, they've done a lot of work and hopefully they'll be done by Memorial Day and we can get some testing footage. Other than that, opening day had its own fair share of issues. I actually did a vlog on it, which will be up after this video, which if you want to go check that out on amusement outsiders whenever I get around to posting that. It was really windy, but we got a lot of good MaxForce updates and it looks like construction is progressing nicely. Nothing really seemed it seemed like they were getting a lot of work done and that they're they're on track to finish this coaster hopefully by Memorial Day, which would be great. Thanks for watching, like, comment, subscribe, share, or don't. 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Sounds good. Yeah. OK, so good morning, everybody. Good afternoon, good evening, wherever you happen to be. We have a, I would say, I think this is a light agenda. So let's get going. The first item is the hackfest planning. And Todd has an update on Chicago. And the registration is up, so you can cover that. And then also put out a query for where we want to have the European event, the hackfest rather, in Europe. Then the second item up is the TSC election. And so I think that starts today, correct? And so we have a final list. I didn't see any notes that said, oh, my god. But maybe you did. And then Mark will review for us, I guess, just the status of where we are with the performance and scaling working group charter. I think it's still being ratified by the working group. And then Hart wanted to take us through a brief update on the white paper. Anything else for the agenda? OK, if not, Todd, kick it off with the hackfest planning. Sure thing. So the US hackfest is confirmed September 21st and 22nd in Chicago. I've dropped the registration link into the window. If you plan to attend, please get registered as soon as possible. Also a link for draft agenda, similar to all the previous hackfest, we run these in a conference format. If there's topics you want to discuss, things you want to work on, or things that you want to hear about, please drop those ideas in there. We'll firm up the agenda as it gets closer. For this hackfest, I think a couple of things really looking to further enable collaboration between the various projects and also have increased focus on actual hacking. Presentations are still great, but I think one of the things we've been hearing is people want to do some actual hacking and collaboration that way, face to face. Anything you want to add, Chris? Yeah, I think that's important. I know Brian and I have been having some discussions about that, and it really would be good to have a lot more cross-pollination, if you will, between the different projects and interaction, and maybe even some hacking. And so I think for the Chicago hackfest, we will defer having any face to face meetings of the various working groups, because that tends to really limit what we can put in our agenda for at least two or four hours, depending on how many we get through. And so I think if you have a working group, then I would strongly suggest that you think about, instead of spending a lot of time, I should say, but rather maybe have a call with an extended agenda. And I did also notice when I was registering that I guess there's a fee now if you're a no-show. Is that new, or am I just not remembering that from the past? That's something new, I think, across Linux Foundation. They've been implementing that. And it's just so that people let us know if they're actually not going to show up. We end up spending a lot of money on catering and planning for folks that don't arrive in the end, so just to incentivize people to actually let us know. Oftentimes, we'll see 30 or so people that register and don't show up, and so that's a fair amount of money that hits the budget that we can save otherwise. OK, thanks. I hadn't seen it before, so it is new. And so everyone, be mindful of that. So just let me ask for clarification if I may interject. Just clarification on the no-show. So if I register and then in two weeks, I figure I can't go, I deregister. I can do that, and then there's no fee, right? Totally fine, no issue at all. That's right, thanks. And is there a cutoff for that, Todd? I'm not sure what it says, and there may be 72 hours or something like that. They're relatively lenient, but yeah, just give us a head start, please. Yeah, OK, thank you. Yeah, because some people, including myself, may get dragged into something and can't show up. OK, election. All right. Oh, I'm sorry, we didn't cover Europe, sorry. OK, are Brian or Marta on today? Brian is, yeah, hi. Hey, Brian. I think we're going to talk. Yeah, go ahead, sorry. Yeah, just going to add in. It seems to be that there's support for either the week of the 23rd or the week of the 30th to do an event, a hack fest in Europe, as probably the last hack fest of the year as we get into the winter holiday. And so there's, I think, strong support for being an event in Berlin. And what we'd like to try to pin down on this call is which of those two weeks, perhaps preferences for cities. We have some options in different places in our opinion of where it might be best. And then I wanted to sense people's receptivity to doing it over a weekend rather than during the week, because there are some options that come available. Schools are one. There's another hack space that's been offered in Berlin that is easier to get to on a weekend than others. So why don't we just take these one by one? Are either the 20th or the 30th of the 30th, those two weeks, any strong reasons why not to do that for anybody on the call? This is Dave. This is Dave. Sorry. Can I jump in here? The SIBOS is in Toronto from the 16th to the 22nd. So if we do it on the 23rd, that might be back to back weeks gone for people that might be a little bit harder. Yeah. OK. And I would also note that there is a hackathon in Beijing, I think. And while I saw you on, I don't know, I think it was the 21st, it might be. I can't remember now, but I think I signed up for that. Yeah, actually, the hackathon is after the links come. I've seen how the links come. So it will be the June 18th and the 19th, if I remember correctly. October 18th. Do you mean October 18, 19? I could be right. It could be misremembering and that conflicting with SIBOS, which I think I have to be, all right, weird. OK, so noted the concern about the week of the 23rd. Any concerns, any other concerns about that week or the week of the 30th? We get the 30th, the Halloween. Yes, which is kind of a family holiday for many of us, even if just in the evening. Not to mention it's hard to get through TSA when you're dressed up as a Halloween concert. You have to see Dan when he gets dressed up. Got to pay extra. OK, and keeping on the scheduling theme, strong likes or dislikes for doing this on a weekend rather than two days during the week. Again, this being in Europe. I'm not hearing any strong likes or dislikes. I definitely prefer the week than the weekend. I can say that. And then finally, cities. We were thinking Berlin partly because there's a ton of interesting blockchain activity there. Some of our members have operations there, offices there. That would be great to have them involved in the HACSF. I think doing that would better enable them to participate. It's less expensive as a city in general than London or Paris. Paris isn't too bad. But there's other interesting opportunities to like Lisbon and so forth. But would anyone be opposed if we focused on Berlin as the city to have this and came up with some options there and looked elsewhere if we didn't feel like we could come up with good options? OK, well, unless I've actually been on mute this whole time, it sounds like no strong objections to kind of a strategy. So I think Todd, this is strong enough for us to go back and come up with some options and then try to converge on a decision in the next week or two. Sounds good. In the next two weeks, please. Thank you. Oh, actually, one thing just occurred to me. The timing for the annual members meeting, is that like a couple of weeks right after this? Yeah, I think it's November 9th and 10th. OK, so that'd be pretty close on the heels of the European meeting then. If we made it later in those two weeks, yeah. Well, I know from my travel perspective, it would be easier. Somehow those events could overlap in the same location. So these ships have already sailed on both of those separate events. But it's a certain amount of convincing that needs to be done for international travel in my company. As always, I'm sure. Yeah, I think we just ran into deciding we wanted to do a member summit in Asia after polling our members and trying to figure out the better options we did consider in a bunch of different cities. And then it seemed like support from the community for doing a hackfest in Europe before the end of the year as well. But doing it in December starts to get too close to the vacations in all of these. Another note there on the member summit that the W3C Technical Plenary Advisory Council is in Burlingame, California that same week. So I know there's a couple of us, Arno, and the two others that are involved in W3C activities standardization around what we're doing in hyper-legitimate. Might give us some conflicts there. OK, all kind of issues noted. I think we'll aim for something in kind of the middle of those two weeks, the 20th and 30th, either late, but with the 20th there, to avoid people's or early, the week of the 30th. And trying to see what we can do to avoid too much conflict with Halloween. OK, let us take a look at that, come up with some options. And we'll come back for further discussion on the TSA. Moving on. All right, the next topic, TSC annual election. We've circulated this several times via email. Talked about this the last few calls. Shortly after the TSC call today, we will send out a note to start calling for nominations. The process and timeline were in the agenda doc that went out. I will paste the list one last time into the chat window. Now please check the master tab. That's what we're going off of. If you are not on there and should be, please send me an email as soon as possible so we can rectify that. Otherwise, after this call, we're moving forward with this list as final to kick off the election process exactly as we've detailed and approved previously. And I'll just put the timeline in here as well for folks. Any questions there? All right. Thank you. So that brings us on to Mark. Amy, Mark's on mute. Hey, I'm trying. Can you hear me now? Yeah. Yep. All right. Now, the first time I'm calling it from an Android phone because I'm in Sweden, the local calls are expensive. So for the charter, there was some feedback overnight on the consensus rules and things like that who can vote. So I felt it best to not proceed with a vote on the mailing list for the performance and scale working group because not everyone would have a fair shot to review it. But I did put the link here in the chat window. The changes we're making and proposing to this are highlighted in bold based off of feedback from the group and one is from the last TSC meeting. So I would just, in particular, on the process of the group regarding how I've defined, proposed, we define who can vote on the working group issues. Is that something that would be acceptable to the TSC? And again, this has not been approved by the performance and scale working group. But is this something that would be approved by the TSC if it stands? I'm not sure what you mean by vote. Are you talking about voting to approve the working group or voting for things that are proposed by the working group? Anything in the working group that we did a vote to bring the charter to the TSC. And the TSC wanted some changes made so we brought it back. In general, anything within the group that we want to make final, with air quotes around it, would need some type of vote or agreement. So I think most of the working groups have been working off of consensus. I mean, they may have an email that goes out and says, hey, does everybody agree that we're done?  It's much more of an informal thing just to make sure everybody's on the same page. And so I think we would encourage that working groups continue to operate on a consensus-building model. And if there is dissent, that's fine. And maybe the thing to do would be when it is brought to the TSC, the dissenting parties or whatever can make their case as well. I mean, that's really, I mean, I think in terms of any formal voting, it would be the TSC that would do that according to who's elected and all the quorum rules and all the other stuff that's in the charter. But I think for the working groups, consensus is probably the best approach. And I see that I could. Good. The question was, what is the definition of consensus? In the case of a working group, is it a simple majority? So consensus is really, I think, something that the chair needs to assess for themselves. If it's clear that there's never going to be complete agreement, then obviously you start to work towards, OK, so if what would be your minimum required to declare victory and put that to either party, if you will, either side of an argument, and try and get at least a little bit closer. And then even if you can't get all the way there, the chair can say, look, I think we have consensus. We have a minority disagreeing opinion. They can bring that to the TSC and so forth. But a lot of working groups operate on consensus. I think if you are no, didn't we have published chair guidelines? I think that's public at the W3C. And there's a good write up on consensus there. Yes, indeed. There is. I would be happy to send a link. I had blogged way back then about this. And there is, indeed, there is actually education material that the W3C put together to help the chairs. That is worth looking at. I can dig that up and send the link to the list. But it's basically, like I said, it's basically the chair is the decider when he or she feels that there's essentially, we're not going to get any further right in terms of towards complete agreement. And then you give the minority side an option to weigh in. If it's a 50-50 kind of a thing and there doesn't seem to be a majority, if you will, then you can also bring that to the TSC and say, we can't get passed. And I mentioned many of us TSC members will be on the working group. Well, at least monitoring the working group don't presume to be a member and can help arbitrate difficult conversations if needed. And if we're lacking for consensus mechanisms, we can always come up with a proof of work one, which basically says, well, if you're willing to help write a dissenting opinion or help build a better test suite. I mean, essentially, yeah, proof of work, right? You're allowed to dissent, but invest in helping us lift the level of understanding of these challenges by the entire community. Yep. OK. Hello. Again, as an example in the architecture work group, we've been following the rough consensus model. There's ETF guidelines as well on roughly how that works. And I can send a pointer to that as well. But so far, the informal rough consensus approach has worked in the architecture work group. And I've seen the same in the identity work group. I don't think we've had any serious conflicts that we couldn't talk through and get the majority to agree on. And in fact, I don't think there was even a strong minority position so far that we couldn't talk through and get to rough consensus. And this is Victor. OK, I appreciate that. I think maybe it is me who raised the voting issue. For I have gone through the working group who chartered that notice that there is a clause about PSWG should oversee any performance related projects. So since recently I have been working on a benchmark project and I want to discuss with PSWG in last regular meeting. After my presentation, some folks have asked me some questions. But finally, when I ask whether should I present this project to TSA, there's no response. That means no idea. So I want to know if the work group is going to oversee other performance related projects, how should we make decisions? There could be yes and there could be no. But what if there is no idea? So I discussed with Mark, maybe not directly. I'm commenting on the charter and raised this issue. Indeed, the biggest threat is passivity, not enough involvement rather than perhaps too much passion. So I think you might want to think about whether a recommendation can really be considered having been approved unless you've got a chorus of voices saying so. I'll still leave that up to the chair to decide kind of on a point-by-point basis like how much feedback is enough to really say this represents a consensus view rather than an individual view. OK, thanks, Brian. Right. I was on funeral preparations on, so I couldn't attend Thursday's call. But I will work. I will go back and undo some of the changes to the document and present it to the performance and scale working group again. I appreciate the feedback on the suggestions. Thank you, Mark. And thanks for continuing to work on it at a tough time. Yeah, absolutely. OK, anything more on that? And maybe just I think I heard wrong and I heard RNO offered to send some material on how to build consensus. So I think it's useful. I know I recall back when I was first named a chair at the W3C that it was very handy for me. So at least the stuff that RNO is going to circulate. So much appreciated if you could share that, RNO. And then finally, we have, yeah, thank you. And then finally, Hart wanted five minutes of our time to talk about an update on the white paper working group. Sure. Thanks, Chris. So I wanted to say a few things. First of all, we are approaching what should hopefully be the completion of a draft of the white paper that we can send to the TSC and others to get final edits and final approval. So hopefully that should be out in the not too distant future. That's point number one. Point number two is we, as a working group, thought that it might be better to rename the white paper the hyperledger position paper. And we're curious what the TSC thought about that, as well as what approval process we would need to go through to make that happen. And the third point we wanted to bring up was we have a actually relatively good infrastructure where the white paper is now a tech document. It lives in a GitHub. You can issue pull requests and so forth. But right now, this lives in mixed GitHub account. And we think the Linux Foundation account would be a more appropriate place to store this. So we wanted to move the documentation over properly to whatever was appropriate. I don't have a problem in moving the repo into the hyperledger org. OK. Brian, you had me use subversion. No subversion, unfortunately. So yeah, so just go ahead. I think the, so I mean, I don't have a problem at all. I think that's, you know, whether it's in a wiki or whether it's in a repo, I think that those are both appropriate. And so I think the thing to do would be for, I'll start a thread with Rai and Mick and Hart and we'll get it moved over. Sounds great. Thanks, Chris. Yeah, that's about it for the update. Are people generally OK with calling this a position paper instead of a white paper? Yeah, I like the sound of that. I think the white paper title had always been a little bit awkward. So yeah, I think that has a good direction. Yeah, I think that makes sense as well. So just to play it back to see whether my interpretation is what you're suggesting, white paper implies this is something you should read to understand what this thing does or how it works. But of course, there is no thing here. There's a collection of things. Whereas a position paper outlines almost a set of principles and or even beliefs or statement of direction that I would say are acted at an earlier stage or at a higher level of abstraction. So that's the thinking behind the proposal. I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that was our thought process, basically, Richard. So thanks, yeah. Cool. I'd like to point out that for the technical stuff, can we just email directly to help Desk at Hyperledger? We'll get better response if we do that instead of just emailing Rai directly. All right, yeah, that was it for me. Thanks, everyone. I don't know, Brian. I mean, were you on mute? Maybe I don't have a problem with the name change. And it seems like others are supportive as well. Is Brian still on? Maybe I lost him. A technicality, probably a trivial one. Am I right in thinking? I'm not sure it's the incubation entry or exit criteria. Do one or other of them make reference to the architecture white paper? So we might need to align that or check that line in the criteria. And I do this, isn't it? I believe the architecture white papers is still a separate thing. Yes. Fine, fine, fine, OK. Yeah, and that's the document that the architecture working group is preparing. Yeah. Anyway, on that point, we did release the first article. Thanks to everyone in the group and to folks in the marketing committee to help us with that. Yeah, so maybe it would be worth a minute or two from you on that to just make sure everybody's aware of that first article and then talk a little bit about the other artifact that you guys are working on. Sure. So I don't know if everyone got a chance to see it's been published in the Hyperledger site. So the first article that we covered was just a quick overview of the overall architecture framework. And most of the actual content was focused on the functional requirements at the high level for the consensus function, if you will. And it went on with the generic description that we're going to be there in the architecture document and covered the particular implementation that's supported by the different projects, fabric, sawtrupleg, Iroha, Indy, and so forth, and the comparison of the consensus approaches there and the pros and cons. So if you haven't had a chance to look at it, please take a look at it and send us feedback. Like all other documents, this will be a living document that we can update as well. And the thought is to go on and do the same thing for the other modules, layers that we've been working on. The next, the immediate next one being the smart contract functions. Any other questions for a moment, if not, then unless there's any other agenda items, we'll give people 25 minutes back. All right, thanks, everyone. Enjoy your summer. Well, have a good day, everyone. I mean, let's look forward to seeing all of you soon. Good. Bye.


Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm Name that song. Pure imagination. Swapp. Hey! Ju...  Hey, it's cream. I'm R익 P Yokoh, so Instagram, Twitter. That's all. GC content. Some page I'm selling for the camera and you'll be able to get... Ow, ow, ow, ow. Also, my personal YouTube channel is in the description below. What are we doing? KGF, teas, no. We already did that. In case of you didn't notice, holy cow. Not in the world. Maniacs out there. Uh, now, it's like a fastest to a million video. Got of all time. Got to a million in less than 24 hours. That was crazy. Insane. But anyways. Today we're reacting to a little video. This is called, what is this called, Rick? It's called the meaning of poop. Nope, nope, that's not. Oh, was I close? No, no. It's is, uh... Say this. It's MTS Ali on growing up with movies. Oh, cool. I'm guessing this is like a little video of him talking about... Cool! Growing up there. Obviously, we've seen a few of his films. Obviously, it was Tamasha, right? And... I'm trying to think of... Was it Tamasha? And, what's that one with Pranka, though? Or am I thinking of somebody else? Why do I feel like we've seen at least three? I think we have. Yeah, the... It's Tamasha. Right? Okay, so, unless this is not... I'm just looking on Tamasha, Jabwee Matt, we saw with young Shahid. Highway. Highway. What? Black Friday. This has got to be a combination of things here. Let me look at his aim to be... Yeah, for his directing credits. Rockstar. That's what it was. No, he was a writer. He was a writer. Yeah, I was gonna say, where are we seeing his direction? This is him writing. Direction. Tamasha, spectacle is Tamasha. Highway, Jabwee Matt. Yeah, and Rockstar. Yeah, I knew there was three. Yeah. So there's four, actually. Really? Jabwee Matt, Highway, Tamasha, and Rockstar. Four. Four of his films. And so, yeah, this is, I'm guessing, him just talking about growing up with film? Must be. And obviously, Tamasha, one of your favorite films. Yep. I love Tamasha. Here we go. I feel that lots of things in my life have happened like accidents. And one of them was that I was asked to do a school play when I was in the ninth grade. I was chosen to be Aladdin, who had to sing and dance and act. I think the background of filminess that I had and all of what I had seen, et cetera, helped me. And I was very fascinated by the fact that I'd be on stage. I think that really began the process of doing, participating in media and in storytelling, for me. I, as a kid, had access to cinema theaters in Jamshedpur because my relatives own Jamshedpur talkies and Star Talkies and Karim talkies. Even when I was a kid, the gatekeepers knew me. The projectionists knew me. So I could go up to the projection room and watch. I made friends with the projectionists. There were once in a while where he asked my help to load the reel as well. And I was very fascinated by the atmosphere of the theater. It did not matter what movie was running, but just the melodrama, the sound, the music, the big faces. And then you look at a screen from odd angles like very close to the screen on top of that balcony where you can just huddle and sit on the floor and watch. Amitabh Bachchan's face looks huge. And on the other side of the screen, Rekha's face looks small. But you still enjoy that. So for me to be in that room was spectacular just to be in that room was enchanted. Then I found that there are so many connections between stories we have heard through eras and that have inspired us. And that became the synthesis of Tamasha as it exists. That there's a boy that in a way is me at every age being fascinated by stories and wanting to be in that world and what wanting to somehow participate, be a part of it, tell stories, listen to stories. I have not really been to film school. I have also not assisted anybody while directing. Interesting, wow. So I'm that freak show that came to set one day already a director. Things that I see in my own films, sometimes while making them, sometimes while editing them, and I feel that, oh, this is really bounced from my life experiences into this. That happens a lot. And I feel that there is a certain visual theme in my movies. One of them is Juliet's balcony. As when I was growing up and reading books, I was fascinated by Shakespeare very early on in my life. And Romeo and Juliet and the balcony and the conversation, it stayed with me. It still stays with me. And I find that in my films, there is Sochanatha in which there is a balcony. She comes on it and he's beneath and they're looking at each other. But I always notice that in my movies, the Romeo and the Juliet that are standing on the balcony and on the street below, they don't talk to each other. They just look at each other. Whereas in the play, Romeo and Juliet are close enough to speak to each other. And I feel that this is coming from my life because in my life, the balcony and jamshed pool that I used to look at was on the second floor. So I couldn't talk, but I could see. It's not only that stories influence you, but what happens in your life influences your story. And that chain keeps going on because I feel that how I have been inspired by movies and my story in a way has been different because of the movies that I've seen and still continue to see. People that watch my films will be influenced by the stories that are in them. And the chain goes on and I feel makes the world more interesting. Yeah, very rare breed. Yeah. No phone school, no AD. No AD. That's usually the step before they're allowed to direct. Well, or at least a PAA. Yeah.   Yeah. Very rare that someone just steps on says like, okay, I'm at the helm, let's go. Yeah, it's very weird, very strange. But really cool that he essentially took his life and that he was the inspiration for Tamasha. Yeah, which makes a lot of sense. I love it even more because that's a lot of artist stories. That's just, you're fascinated by... Reminds me of Scorsese and Hugo because Hugo says love letter kind of to his love for film. Yeah, it's just what they love is storytelling. And so it makes a lot of sense that why that would be such an effect that he's a Shakespeare lover. Most, I feel like most artists are. At the very least have an understanding of the foundation that all world theater stage and screen and small screen is dependent. You have human characters because of Shakespeare. He was the first person to take what had previously been the stereotypical hero, villain, protagonist, antagonist, climax, crisis, resolution. Ha ha, wee hee, the good guy wins, the bad guy loses.  You have to have some appreciation. So it's not a surprise. That was great, I would love to actually talk to him. Yes, for sure. What's his next project? I feel like. And I'm not surprised that Tamasha is a very autobiographical for him. Man, I love that movie. Tamasha? Yeah, I love that movie so much. Like, I cried at the end of that movie. Didn't know what's, your daughter watched that one with you two? Yes, Ashley did, she loved it. Yeah, she loved it. Untitled. I remembered India Japan film? Untitled India Japan film. Interesting. I particularly like, it's an extra serendipitous thing in that when you know the relationship between Deepika and Ranbeer and she gives him that moment. I love that, I can watch that movie again. And we went to the bar, right? We did. Yeah, we went to the bar. We did a picture on the thing, just like that. They didn't like it. They did not want us to do that. They're like, don't do that in here. What ever happened to that picture? I don't know, who has it? I don't have it. I feel like it was on mine, but I don't think I have it anymore. Yeah, right there where Ranbeer and Deepika do the, oh, they got so mad? Yeah, they were not happy with us. It was weird, no. Even though we had like eight people in there that all, or every one of us, we didn't just go in and do the picture. We were patrons, we like, very strange. And very odd. Anyways, let us know what's the next, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the next film, I should watch down.


Live from Orlando, Florida, it's theCUBE. Covering Microsoft Ignite, brought to you by Cohesity. Good afternoon, CUBE viewers. We are here at Microsoft Ignite at the Orange County Convention Center. I'm your host, Rebecca Knight, along with my co-host Stu Miniman. We're joined by Edward Thompson. He is the product manager at GitHub. Thank you so much for coming on theCUBE. Thanks for having me. So the GitHub acquisition closed this time last year. For our viewers who are maybe unfamiliar with GitHub, explain what GitHub is, and then also tell us a little bit how it's going since the acquisition closed. I'd be happy to. So yeah, GitHub is like the home for software development. If you're a software developer, you know GitHub. We host most of the open source repositories in the world just to give you some stats. So at this time last year, about the time the acquisition happened, we announced at GitHub Universe, which is our annual developer conference, that we had 30 million developers on GitHub and 100 million repositories. So that's a huge number of developers. I haven't seen the latest numbers. We'll announce the newest at GitHub Universe this year, which is coming up next week. But the last number I saw was 40 million developers. So that's a growth of 10 million developers in just a year, unbelievable. And that also means that 25% of our developers on GitHub have joined within the last year. So that's just absolutely incredible. And so yeah, GitHub is that place for development. Yeah, it's really interesting. When I look at some acquisitions that Microsoft has made, back in 2016, they spent $26 billion for LinkedIn, which is most people's resume. And if you look last year, it was $7.5 billion for my friends in the software world. GitHub is their resume. That's right. And it's about how you do things online. So, Edward, you've got an interesting perspective on this because you've worked for Microsoft and GitHub a couple of times. So give us a little bit about the relationship. When you joined Microsoft 10 years ago, open source developers, developers, developers weren't exactly on everyone's lips. So give us a little bit of viewpoint through the various incarnations. Yeah, yeah. So as you said, I joined Microsoft about 10 years ago. I came in through a little acquisition. We were just a very small software company, but we were building enterprise cross-platform developer tools. And we were about five engineers. And when you're building for Mac OS, Linux, SunOS, all these different platforms, with so many people, with so few developers, you really need to take as much off the shelf as possible. You can't build all that yourselves. So if you needed a logging library, we would just go and use some open source products. We're not going to spend our time working on that when we could be building customer value instead. So when Microsoft acquired that company, they looked at, you know, they did their due diligence, they looked at the source code, and they saw all this open source. And they, I mean, it was almost a deal breaker. They really lost their mind. They were not geared up to deal with open source, to use open source, certainly not to contribute to open source. And so that's the Microsoft that I first saw. And to get from there to here is incredible. You know, over time, we worked closely with some open source tools. We worked closely with GitHub at Microsoft, and that was really one of the early sort of unions between Microsoft and GitHub, was starting to work together on some open source software. And so we kind of started to know each other. We started to understand each other's companies and each other's cultures. And we started to, I don't know, I dare say like each other. Like I still count some of those early GitHub employees that I met as some of my closest friends. And so at some point they became such close friends that I went to go work with them at GitHub. And then of course the Microsoft acquisition and so on. But I really think that the transformation in Microsoft between the 10 years ago Microsoft that really didn't get open source and today is just incredible. Well I'm interested in that culture and maybe culture clash a little bit the first time around because Microsoft developers have their own culture and their own uniform and their own way of interacting with each other, the hours that they work which is very different from Microsoft which is a pretty middle-aged Volvo driving kind of organization. So how does that work? And what has it been like the second time around the same way Microsoft? Well as a middle-aged Volvo driver I think you can do both. You can wear a hoodie and drive a Volvo. No I think it's been really great. The interesting thing about Microsoft is that it's not with so many people it's not just like a homogenous big company. We do have the developer tools division is a little bit different than office is a little bit different than Windows. And so they all have their own sort of unique cultures and now GitHub slots in as its own unique culture. And we can talk to each other and we can understand each other but we don't necessarily have to be all the same. We can, the GitHub team does kind of work. Some of us do work kind of weird hours and I think that somehow that works especially with new tools coming to the marketplace. Chat applications, we can be a lot less synchronous. We can be a lot more online and leave a message for each other. At GitHub we use GitHub issues and pull requests to collaborate on almost everything whether it's legal or our PR department and it's not just developers. So we're trying to take these tools and sort of apply them to allow us to have the culture that we want at GitHub. And I think Microsoft's doing the same thing as well. So speaking of new tools and capabilities you're speaking here at Ignite you're about to announce the new repository with lots of new capabilities enabling users to deploy to any cloud. So tell us a little bit about this new tool. Yeah, so we announced, we call it GitHub Actions we announced it last year at GitHub Universe again our annual developer conference and our goal with GitHub Actions was to allow people to take we've got 100 million repositories on GitHub. We wanted our users to take those repositories and automate common tasks. Let me give you a concrete example. A lot of times somebody will open an issue on a GitHub repository, you know hey this doesn't work I've got a bug report and they'll fill out an issue and often either they didn't understand things or the issue resolved itself you know who knows we call that an issue that goes stale. And so you can build a workflow around that repository that will look for these stale issues and it will you know just close them automatically that gets rid of the mental tax for somebody who for a developer who owns this repository to allow this you know this workflow to just do it automatically. And so that's an example of a GitHub Actions workflow some people don't like swearing in their repository and you know so if somebody were to open a bug report you know they might be angry and so you could actually have a GitHub workflow that looks for certain words and then replies and says hey here's our code of conduct that's not the way we roll here. And actually a lot of people find that that feedback coming from a robot is a lot easier to take than feedback coming from a human. Because they might want to argue with a person can't argue with a robot. Well, not successfully. I think I have argued with a chat bot in my day but anyway that's another story. So that's what we did a year ago and we opened it up into the beta program and we really quickly got feedback that people liked it and people were doing some really innovative things but the one thing that people really wanted to automate was their builds. They wanted to be able to build their code and deploy it and we were just not set up for that. We didn't build GitHub Actions as that platform in 2018. So we kind of had to pause our beta program. You know, they say that no good plan survives first contact with the customer. So we had to hit pause on that and we retooled. We just sort of, I don't know, iterated on it I guess. And we basically built a new platform that supported all of that repository automation capability that we had planned for in the first place but also allowed for continuous integration build and deployments. So we brought Mac OS, we brought Linux and we brought Windows runners that we host in our cloud that people can use to build their software and then deploy it. And again, yeah, we want to be absolutely tool agnostic. So any operating system, any language and cloud agnostic we want to let anybody deploy anywhere whether it's to a public cloud or on-premises. So Edward, this is the second year we've done our program at this show and we really feel it's gone through a transformation. This is a multi-decade windows office, the business applications, cloud seeped in, developers are all over the place here. The day two keynote was all about app dev. I'd love to get a little compare and contrast as to what you see here at Microsoft Ignite versus I guess what I would call a pure dev show next week GitHub Universe happening in San Francisco. It's true, GitHub Universe is pretty much a pure dev show. We have fewer booths, we have smaller booths but and honestly we have fewer sort of, I don't know, enterprise sort of IT pro crowd is what we used to call them. But we do of course have a lot of dev ops. So GitHub Universe has a lot of developers but we're seeing a lot of dev ops. So there's a lot of meeting in the middle because I started out my career as assistant man actually. So I remember just doing everything manually. But that's not the way we do things anymore. We automate all of our deployments, we automate all of our builds. I don't want to sit there and type something into a console because I'm going to get it wrong. I've accidentally deleted config files on production servers and that's no good. So I think that there, GitHub Universe is very different to Ignite. It's much smaller, it's more intimate but at the same time there's a lot of overlap especially around dev ops. Yeah, Satya Nadella yesterday in the keynote talked about the citizen developer as a big push for Microsoft. He said 61% of job openings for developers are outside the tech sector. What do you see in that space? The different developer roles these days? I think it's absolutely fascinating. When I started my career, you were a developer and you wrote code probably at a development company. But now like everybody is automating tools, everybody's adopting machine learning. When I look around at some of my friends in finance, it's not about anything but tech anymore. That's, they're putting technology into absolutely everything that they do to succeed. And I think that it's amazing. Like I said earlier, 25% of developers on GitHub have joined within the last year. So it's clear that it's just exploding. Everybody's doing software now. Is there something for the citizen developer on GitHub though or is it too high level? I don't think it's too high level. I think that that's a great challenge that we need to really step up to. So Edward, one of the other big themes we heard here is talking about trust. So we talked about how Microsoft is different today than it was in the past. But I'm curious what GitHub's seen because in social media when the acquisition first happened, it was, wait, I love GitHub, I love all those people, but hey, GitLab, hey, some of these other things, I'm fleeing for the woods. And every time I've seen an open source company get bought by a public company, there's always that online backlash. What are you seeing? How has the community reacted over the last year? I understand that skepticism. I would be skeptical of any sort of change really the whole notion of who moved my cheese. But I think that the only way that we can counter that is just to prove ourselves. And I think that we have. I think that Microsoft has allowed GitHub to operate independently. And I think that, I think a lot of people expected all of a sudden everything to change. And I don't think everything did change. I think that GitHub now has more resources than it used to to be able to tackle bigger and more challenging problems. I think that GitHub now can hire more and deploy to more places. And so I really just think that we're just going to keep doing exactly what we've been doing just better. So I think it's great. So universe happening next week teed up a little bit for us. What are some of the most exciting things that you're looking forward to? What kinds of conversations will you be having? Presentations? So the big one for me is actions. I've been just completely heads down working on GitHub actions. So I'm really excited to be able to put that out there and finally give it to everybody. Cause we've been in beta now. Like I said, we've been in beta for a year which sounds like a ridiculous amount of time. But it did involve a lot of retooling and rethinking and iteration with our beta testers. And so the biggest thing for me is talking to people about actions and showing what they can do with actions. I'm super excited about that. But we've got a lot of other interesting stuff. We've done a lot in the last year since our last universe. We've done a lot in the security space. We've both built tools and we've acquired some. And so we'll be talking about those. GitHub package registry, which goes along really well with GitHub actions. I'm super excited about that too. But yeah, I mean my calendar is just booked. It's great. So many people want to sit down and talk that I'm super excited about it. Excellent. Well, great note to end on Edward Thompson. Thank you so much for coming on The Cube. We appreciate it. Thank you. I'm Rebecca Knight for Stu Miniman. 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