A boon, according to Eric Boland of Newsday, said that Sabathe threw today and quote unquote, frankly looked very good. So he's a consideration for the ALCS and Boone also said 12 or 13 pitchers for the next round be considered and the opponent will factor into that decision. And I think the big decision that they'll have is whether or not to activate Aaron Hicks who declared yesterday that he's good to go. He's ready. Elbow's fine. But you have to consider this. He has not played in two months. So you have to take a good long look whether or not you think he could be effective. Switch hitter outstanding outfielder. I don't know if his arm is the same as it was. He says he's 100% back. Here's what I would do if you think he's healthy and that he can throw. And if you think that his timing is there where he could be a threat at the plate. He has a good eye and can walk. I would put him in the roster. I would not start him. I'm sorry. I wouldn't. Brett Gardner is my centerfielder for the remainder of the postseason. John Carlos Stanton is my left field for the remainder of the postseason. We've seen the way Boone has handled with Stanton. You get three at bats. You play six innings. If the Yankees have the lead, you're coming out. That's where Hicks could come into play. So then the decision is, well, how do you get Hicks on the roster? Well, your choices are replace Maven with Hicks. I think that's a little dicey. Replace Luke Voight with Hicks. That's more doable. Replace Tyler Wade with Hicks. Now the only scary part about replacing Tyler Wade is you really don't have a backup second baseman, third baseman and shortstop. But Tyler Wade can also play in the outfield. So I think Wade probably stays. Now the CC situation complicates it even further. If you just add CC to the roster and you're going with 13 pitchers, then probably Voight's out because one less bench player. If you just take Lyon out. But if you go with 13 pitchers, I'm saying, if you don't stay, they were 12 in the first round. But you would go from 12 to 13 because of seven games? Right.  Well, if you can't pitch every day, I don't put them on the roster. But you could still get big outs every other day. I guess. But you're still putting yourself shorthanded in really important moments in the game. Absolutely. That's what makes it such a fascinating decision. Clint Frazier's ready. Mike Ford is ready. Some of the pitchers down there are ready. Stephen Tarpley, Jordan Montgomery, they were all in Tampa. They watched the games. And they're all eligibility put on the roster. Remember, if you move somebody from the roster now, you can put somebody else on. Each round, you can reset the roster. And although you can make points contrary to what I'm going to say, I truly believe that extending the Astros to five games only benefits the Yankees. And I know what Don's been saying, I hear him clear that you probably were scared if you're the Astros to have while the Cardinals had jumped out to a 1-0 lead in the first inning. You're probably scared if you're the Astros to pitch Granky on the road. Because if they had won in four games, or in three games, then it was going to be Cole and Verlander. Even if they won yesterday, Verlander could still go on Sunday. It would still be normal rest, and Granky would start game three. So you have to pitch Cole today, which means that Granky's going to probably start the series in Houston, where he's pitched better than he does at Yankees. I guess you could still go with Verlander in game one-two. But look how he pitched on three days' rest. He didn't have it. Yesterday was what? It was Tuesday. So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday would be three days' rest again. But you're still setting up to me. See, this is my logic behind it. I got to pitch Granky, and the way it's set up, if it didn't go five games, is I would have had Cole in game one, Verlander in game two, Granky in game three in New York. Houston has been unbelievable at home, historically. They've been terrific. So wouldn't it be better if I got to pitch Granky to pitch him in the place where I've got the best chance to win, and that's in Houston, rather in New York, we does seem to have a history of not being comfortable in the big spot, all right? We don't know what the situation is going to be. You talk about a guy not comfortable being in a big spot. What if you're down two games to none, and now Granky's going to have to try to save the series? And he's not pitched well at Yankee Stadium. So if I got to pitch him, why not pitch him in the place where people are accusing them of stealing signs, like that's the kind of home field advantage that they have. And then I still set myself up for Cole and Verlander, or it would be actually Verlander and Cole back-to-back for games two and three. And if you want to know how good they were at home, 61 and 20. Right. 61 and 20, that's the best in their team's history. Now they've been great on the road, too, but the thing is, is Houston's a thing. Yeah, they won 106, 107 games, yeah. In 2017, Michael, the Yankees didn't win a game in Houston. The Yankees didn't win a game in New York. So if I had the chance, I would still go with Verlander and Cole, games one and two, if they had won last night, or Cole and Verlander. But is it that much of a disadvantage? I got to pitch Granky anyway. No, it's probably an advantage, but if you're the Yankees, would you rather face Granky or Cole? Because if you face Cole, there's a good chance you'll lose that game, because he's unhittable at Minute Maid. All right, but it's still tough to beat them in Houston, regardless. But you can't pitch Joe Shlebotnik in game one. You'd rather face Granky than Cole. Granky's not Joe Shlebotnik, but he's still not as good as Cole or Verlander. Right, that's my point. But I got to pitch him. But now I've got Cole for game three in New York. But you also have Granky for game five in New York, or game four. I guess it would be game four. Well, let's see. Yeah. It would be Saturday, Sunday, all day. Monday off. It'll be game four. Yeah. Unless they go with a fourth starter. Well, they might. He's got to start New York, though. They might have to do that. The only positive I see out of this for the Astros is that you could pitch Cole and Verlander in games two and three, and then you pitch them in games six and seven on full rest at their full efficacy back in Houston. At best, I don't think it's that much of a disadvantage. Now the other thing is having to play five games, facing elimination and all that. I think everybody is stretched to the limit when you get to October anyway. How many games these teams have played. But you look at the Yankees, you don't seem to be bothered by it. David Cohen doesn't seem to be bothered by it. But could it be checked into the con column if you wanted to be a glass half empty guy and say the Yankees would literally play three games in 11 days. That has not happened. All season long, even the All-Star break, you got the four days off, you went right back to work again. To play three games in 11 days, that doesn't concern you at all. No, not a bit. Not a bit. I mean, I could see what you're saying because they're creatures of habit, but they played very well after, you know, four days off. Well, because they're used to that because you get four days off after the All-Star game. You do it once though. But you never play three games in 11 days. No.  The Yankees are a little rusty. They've only played three games in 11 days. I think the Astros are still a great team. I think the biggest thing that you can expose about this Astro team and the reason I think that they're beatable is this bullpen because as good as Cole pitched on Saturday, they still had to get four outs. They give up a home run, bases loaded in the ninth inning. They were hit away from erasing everything that Cole did. Which means that you can't say tomorrow is a short thing. The Rays could beat them. I can almost guarantee that Cole's not going to go nine. Right. All right. So they're going to have to get outs out of that bullpen. Now, the question is, is it Verlander getting those outs or are they going to go to the bullpen? I don't think it's Verlander. All right. So they're going to go to that bullpen, which I think can be hit. Now, whether the Rays hit him or not, that's another story. But the Yankees, this lineup exposes any weakness. If they sense a weakness in a pitcher, they can expose it.


Aloha. Welcome to Think Tech Hawaii's Movers, Shakers, and Reformers. I'm your host, Carl Kimpanya. There's a lot to talk about from a lot of different areas. We've all heard and those of us who've been reading the papers or watching TV shows, we know there's a lot going on in Washington. We know there's a lot going on that mirrors what's going on in Washington here in Hawaii. For example, the questions of transparency and accountability, how things are being done, who is doing them, and behind what doors are they being done. And those are huge topics of conversation. And it's wonderful, actually, if you think about it from that perspective, that there's so much attention and so much scrutiny on what's being done and how it's being done. That's what a democracy is about. And that's what this democracy is supposed to be intended to do is make sure that these conversations can be had in all ways at all levels with all people. So with that in mind, there's a number of thoughts and a number of sources that I think it's important that we consider.  She's been on ThinkTech before and other areas specifically energy related. But she is a UH law student. And there's a lot of topics and a lot of groups that they have where they get together and discuss various bits and pieces of what is going on today, what is actually happening. And I think that's an important perspective to try to get from a law student how they process, if they process, but within their classrooms or within or with one another, how they come together and discuss some of these pertinent and relevant issues that are happening today. Anything from our current, from the travel ban and what our AG did and what conversations they have and what they think that means for them onto the, I guess, the Senate and the House Intelligence Committees. I mean anything that they discuss. So with that let me welcome to the show, Ms. Rachel James. Thank you, Carl. Thank you for being here. Appreciate it. No pressure about anything. This isn't to find out how much you know about any of these one things. It's to find out, from a law student's perspective, what is being talked about and how is it being pursued or explored within your current education system, if it is. And that's I just want all of us to be thinking about it from a lot of different perspectives. So I'm trying to bring in a lot of people for that. So thank you again for joining us. Oh, thank you for having me. So first of all, start, let's start here. Okay. Tell us a bit about yourself. You're a law student now, but what are some of the things that you have done? What are you doing? Start right there. How'd you get here today? We could be here for hours. So I'll just be brief. So yes, I'm a second year law student at Richardson. Full disclaimer, I'm a part-time evening program student. So we call ourselves Night Walkers. Not to say that we're super different from the Day Walkers, but most of us are full-time employees someplace or do something in our daytime that doesn't include going to school. So when I speak on behalf of my experience at the law school, it's really reflective of many of the Night Walker experiences. I think that's just important to understand that. Let's just look at that for a minute. And I wasn't intending to jump in, but I didn't realize there was a difference. So maybe this is from multiple programs, but certainly in the law school. And the law program, there are night students and there are day students. And it's a full program in both? Yes. So the part-time evening program is a four-year program, and the full-time program is a three-year program. Both after completion, you'll have a JD. Excellent. And you're two years into what is a four-year program? Yes. Well, I'm nearing the end of my second year. Okay. So anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry. I just wanted to break that out of it. So yes, I'm a student in that program, a Night Walker. And I also work full-time at Hawaii Center for Advanced Transportation Technologies with Stan, the energy man. Stan, the energy man. We all love Stan. We do. We love Stan. From the energy perspective, we know that he is doing a lot of great work, and we really, really appreciate what he does and how you help him as well. So anyway, so you work with him at H-Cat? I do. I work with Stan. You get to ride with his little H-Cat car? We just got an H-Cat car. You just got an H-Cat car? We did. That's that could be a part of another discussion anyway. But yeah, so I do that. And I do some volunteering in the community. So my background, educationally speaking, kind of started in business, did some accounting work, and then progressed into sustainability with HPU, and then that and work in the community with homeless issues, and just with sustainable systems, generally speaking. Okay, what makes a system sustainable? A system that is sustainable is one that acknowledges its pieces and understands how to utilize those pieces effectively and efficiently. For an ongoing cycle? For an identified goal. So I don't know that all sustainable systems necessarily need to go on in perpetuity. I think we speak of sustainability in that way, but a system can be sustainable for a purpose. Okay, and that is that an area from your law degree that you're pursuing at the moment? Is that something that is part of that? Or is it different? Okay, I like this. So I believe that sustainability really shouldn't be secluded to you pursue sustainability in some realm. I think to have successful sustainability, it really should permeate everything that you do. So yes, in my pursuit of a legal career, sustainability is at the forefront. But I think for sustainability to be successful, like my challenge is to also make sure that others view sustainability as an imperative piece of their professional or personal development. Okay, so in that context, sustainability can fit within any industry, any organization. It's not just an energy related fit. That is correct. Okay, well, I think that's a fascinating thing to do itself. We could do a whole show on that, I think. We could, we could in the future. So okay, next time. All right, so you so okay, so you have you've been involved in some business and some accounting, you have brought yourself into your law degree, which you're about to be two years into. And that's all wonderful. There's a lot of energy stuff related and sustainability. Excellent. What do you see for yourself? As far as once you get this degree, what is it that you are hoping? What is the next step? So because it's two years away. So it's a lot I know it's I mean, you got to plan at least five years out, right? Yeah, hopefully. Yes. Well, yeah, we'll put that out there for the audience to think about at least five years out when you're planning. Yeah, some idea. But so for me, because of my working energy and sustainability, so my angle in sustainability has been social sustainability. I think if you have a system or society that that highlights itself as being sustainable, but you have people who fall out of that in large numbers, and if those numbers increase, then that system or society really isn't sustainable. Social sustainability, please define that a bit more. Sure. I understand that a bit more. Very plainly speaking, if you have a society that you would claim to be sustainable, but either people are unhappy, they're underfed, they're malnourished, they're homeless, like if you have people that would check off the boxes of discontent in larger numbers as years progress, then I would say that that society does not have social sustainability. So from a sociology perspective, there's a tipping point. I'm not a sociology major. So no, certainly not. But that's, but that's a societal. So if you're talking what you're talking about is okay, if we've got 4.9% unemployment, those people are probably unhappy, at least many of those people are probably unhappy. In addition to that, there's another percentage of people who are just getting by. But they're missing this or missing that maybe it's missing healthcare or a number of things that are not available to them. So they're also not happy for a number of social reasons. And as that number increases, is when this delves back into the political forum there, as that number increases, is when you've got the masses who have decided that a change is necessary, we need to address this in a new way, right? So my question there is, there would perceivably or conceivably be a tipping point when the number of people who are unhappy overcomes the number of people who are happy such that a change is made to address the unhappy. Presumably. I don't that's not a question I think you can answer. But I think that what I'm hearing from you, this is that's what comes to mind. Okay. That's an important way of understanding, I think, how we are perceiving how we're seeing all this stuff happen. From last year's election, the amount of energy that has been focused on making sure that there's a resistance to what we fear. And that's an important thing to understand is what we fear from this administration. There's been this huge energy and so therefore the number of people who are discontent has at least if it's not been growing, it's been much more apparent. So from a from a sustainability perspective. How would you so I am jumping into this for you a little bit, but this is what you're studying from a sustainability perspective. What do you see? How do you see or how do you assess from a societal sustainability perspective? Where we are right now? Is there is there a way for you to explore that thought right now? Sure. I mean, everybody has an opinion, right? I don't necessarily know that what my perception is is reflective of an overall understanding of what is, but you're a law student. So it's a law student perspective. It is it is Rachel the part time evening program law student perspective. Like there's a number of other qualifiers there, but we'll start at least with that disclaimer. Rachel James is all I need to know. Okay, well, okay, from the mind of Rachel James, here it is. I feel like we're in a in a space where there is indeed good energy, good meaning that there's consistent sustained energy. What that will translate to I'm standing by. So I think particularly as related to politics, people's upset and discontent with our federal election is important. But to be able to capture that momentum and that interest and engagement and have that translate to local elections is really important. And I think we won't really see how how impactful this energy will be until we see how we've been able to harness that energy. I'm not going to get all super energy wonky, but just to see how how how we're able to deploy that momentum. And so if we see broad sweeping changes in our local elections for places that really need to have some changes, I think that will be an early indicator of just how much strength there is in that movement. I agree. And I know that from what I understand, I want to say I know from what I understand, that's a big topic of conversation. All these little groups that are out there from women's market to j20 to indivisible to dozen others. Right. Their question is, Yeah, we've got all this energy. What do we do with it? So this is a great segue I'm going to interrupt just a minute because so recently I met with a student who has been helping to forward the j20 movement with UH Manoa students from different campuses, or from different schools rather but mainly on UH Manoa campus. And one of the things we discussed was, with all this momentum, we're recognizing a lack of civic understanding. So just basic kind of what your branches of government are what their responsibilities are, like what your local and federal government kind of bodies of concern are what are their areas of responsibility. So wanting to engage in the process but really being at a loss of who to speak to and what am I supposed to say and what are realistic expectations. And so she and I and a number of others have been trying to figure out how do law students who it is our business to know the law, how do we engage with these groups to not necessarily inform them to sway them in a particular direction, but to really arm them with an understanding that can most impact whatever the initiative they're pursuing. And that is an excellent yes, we're going to jump on that we have to take a quick rake already, see how quickly they showed us. Too hard with that. No, that was spectacular. No, that's exactly the direction because I agree with you. Okay, we have to take a quick rake. So thank you for joining us. This is Think Tech Hawaii's Movers, Shakers and Performers. I'm your host, Carl Kampanya. Thanks again to our guest, Ms. Rachel James and we'll be back in one minute. Thank you. Okay, so I'm Crystal, if you haven't been to the Quark Talk before, you better do it because you're missing out on all the information. We talk about sex, we talk about religion, we talk about everything and nothing. So we've got two gentlemen here going to validate that, right? Greg Kinkley and Roy Chiu. What's your take on this important sense of talking about these issues? It's very important. It's through, I think, expressing ideas and exchanging ideas that we come to a better understanding of the world and each other. And without that, we live in ignorance and fear. Fear is based on ignorance. Amen. Amen. What could I say about that? Something in English. I think... Go and listen to Quark Talk to see the warnings. Aloha and Happy New Year. It's 2017. Please keep up with me on Power Up Hawaii, where Hawaii comes together to talk about a clean and just energy future. Please join me on Tuesdays at one o'clock. Mahalo. Right. As much as possible. I agree. So here we go. Thank you. Thank you for coming back. This is Think Tech Hawaii's mover, Shakers and Reformers. I'm your host, Carl Campania. Again, welcome, Ms. Rachel Jam. So yes, we were just talking about that very topic of how do we sustain this energy? So as you've been focusing on sustainability and societal sustainability and all aspects of what sustainability might be, that ends up being a perfect topic of conversation for us to really take into this political realm of we've got all these groups, as was mentioned, more than we even know and can name, I think at this point, windward resistance and you name it. There's so many groups that get together that are trying to find a way to engage. And more and more what we're learning or what I'm hearing from some people is there's a lot of people that want to be engaged. They don't know how to be engaged. They don't know what to do. They assume that there's a thing.  Right. The answer to that is, what do you feel? What do you want? What is it? What does it you want to say? Right? I think it's part that. So from my perspective as a law student, it's important for people to be not only aware of the issues but understand processes and not so much so that you fall in line and follow, you know, and march the beat of somebody else's drum. But really, so if you're pushing against something, you really know what you're pushing against. So if you're fighting for something because you have this feeling that you either dislike what's happening or if you're fighting for something because you really feel positively about something moving forward. If you don't really have an understanding of what you're resisting of the systems that are in place that keep you wherever you are, I think that that battle is going to be that much more challenging and the time between your action and effect can be, I don't want to say delayed by that ignorance, but it will certainly impact. Yes, and I think that actually we're seeing that on the federal level right now. We're seeing that all of this misunderstanding of how the process works now sits in the primary seat in our White House. Yes, that's a perfect example. And when you do executive orders and you're like, Hey, I think, sorry, I hope I'm not getting no, please jump on jump on when you say as president, Hey, this is going to happen and like Hawaii, what do you mean you're filing a lawsuit? Yeah, what are you doing? What what we're doing is exercising the process that our forefathers established exactly so that people don't come and be tyrants. Exactly. And so I think awareness of that, like I'm really proud of Hawaii for making that step because I think it heightens the awareness of really the impact of law and how people can use that for good. It's also been you talk about civic engagement and civic understanding. I've said many times on the show and otherwise that we actually are at one of those moments in time, like the Civil Rights Era and the Revolution in war period, where there is more more people are engaged and more people are aware and learning what this process is then has in the interim. Yes. And I think that's a wonderful thing because because what will happen is as a result of what we're I think I think what we're already seeing is that Donald Trump that refused to pivot to the center. I think he's just been demonstrated why pivoting to the center is the only way to accomplish anything. And I think that's what he has just learned and we'll see how he continues with that process, maybe in one issue versus another. But I think that that's an important point as far as that engagement and learning the processes and learning the systems. So OK, tell me from again, from your not just perspective but experience, you get together with other students. Sometimes you have you have different forums.  Is this part of this forum or are there you have multiple forms that you get together with? So the law school is really great. Some I'm really, really grateful to be at Richardson because it's a law school that values social justice and it encourages its students to be engaged in their communities. And I don't necessarily know that all all schools really focus on that, nor do they encourage people to really think about how the law can apply to things that are important to them. So Richardson is really good about providing opportunities for students to engage through like law clinics with community organizations. Oh, wow. Then they're also good about the professors and faculty support having visiting speakers come in from really around the world to speak about what they've done in their communities and how what they've learned or what their systems of law mean for the US system of law for Hawaii law. And so one of my professors, Professor Yamamoto, he has been a long time civil rights advocate. Yes. I know. I admit him. Okay. I like him. I admire him and his work is really phenomenal. But he recently had so he works with students who are I'm probably going to get the title wrong, but essentially they're like advocates in training. And so he uses his experience over a number of years working on cases like with the Japanese internment of Japanese Americans during World War Two. He uses those experiences and his connections and the legal professionals he worked through those processes to really inform the students today of the impact of Supreme Court decisions and what that translates to for real life applications and actually what people that's what I that's what I love about that. So OK, thank you. I really appreciate hearing that our law program here at UH is not just teaching you this is what the law is memorize this and move on. It's it considers that it encourages you to consider the application of these laws. I think that's a wonderful thing. I don't know. I mean, perhaps we could just do a whole show on what that what you do and what the law school is. And I would love to bring in, you know, the the higher ups and that they run the program to really learn that program to. But. I think too often we don't really understand number one, the process and number two, what the repercussions and consequences are what we do. That last piece is probably the most important. I think when we have people who are contributing to the formation of our society, so both in legislation and policy and administration, when there is a disconnect between what they are planning and the utopia that they are hoping for and how that actually impacts people on the tail end. That disconnect can be detrimental. And so I believe that people who serve in those positions generally go into it with with benevolence. I don't think people really come into those positions with an intent to destroy society. But I think the disconnect between how longstanding policy and administrative decisions and legislative actions, how those things impact people in their day to day lives is important on both ends. So it's important for me as a constituent to know, because when things go wrong, I need to be able to point to something and say, hey, you implemented this thing and I know you meant to help me. But these are all the ways that it really kind of messed me up. Exactly. So, so OK, so I think that's wonderful. First of all, that you guys in your program. Try to consider those things. How do we get those thought processes? And that's so OK, this whole thing is just about we have this travel ban that happened and we've had travel ban 1.0 and 2.0 and both have been shut down through the process. And it's through understanding the process and it's through understanding what our constitution is and what the laws are and how it's supposed to work. Because it's about the impact on people. Same thing now. What was a wonderful thing was with the health care and they wanted to repeal Obamacare as much as some of it needs to change and as much as you know as many problems as there are with it. What was amazing was the number of people who showed up and this is what we're learning. What more and more people are learning is how you engage the process. Right, right. How you stand up and say I don't agree with this. And as a result of that, that didn't happen. That repeal didn't and replace didn't happen because people are learning how to engage and they're knowing and they're learning that I can go join this group or that group or the group and this is how we have our voice heard. Is this so the question goes back to how sustainable is this how realistic can this be to make sure that this level of social justice. Awareness at the very least is maintained again. You don't have an answer that question. You can't have an answer that question. But this this goes back. This is the fact that we are relegating issues from 50 years ago at the moment means that there needs to be a continuity. So the continuity is the law and we can say that we've fallen on different sides of that. We as kind of the collective and we as a Supreme Court or we as the United States have fallen on various sides of the law. But the fact that we have that record that we have that constant to reference back to to say hey you didn't make a really good decision here. Don't redo that or you made a really bad decision and these are all the reasons why these subsequent decisions really go against that decision there. But let's let's make it final and concrete and just say that we are going to like we're just going to disown this decision. I think the constant is the law and people and law students will speak about it different ways. They'll talk about textualists and realists and how people interpret the constitution whether it's living or if it's a static thing. But the fact is is that has been a thing that has remained throughout our history. And so as a reference point. But it's the interpretation of it. The interpretation that's the variances. Yes. And and I'll just to jump into this briefly. That's the very same thing. And we're not going into this direction fully. But I just immediately notice that's the very same thing that we have with the Bible. How we interpret what's said and how it's said with. And then how we utilize that. So when it comes to our constitution. And when it comes to all of the laws that have come through how we interpret them from a state to state from a district to district perspective. And what are those ramifications for the people. And how how do we have that. How do we apply these laws to people. And and the impact of these people. And how do we make sure that conversation is happening. You do this. We try to have this conversation. No you don't try you do. There is no try. There is only to. But really I mean you have conversations with people. But you give people the space to speak about their own experience. So if there's a person who is ignorant of the law you don't discount what they have to say because they don't understand the process. You listen to their experience and what they what they have had happened to them or what they've seen happen to their peers or colleagues or siblings or whomever. And you say if you have an awareness of the law. You know this piece of legislation this Supreme Court decision this you know district court decision like whatever your knowledge is if you have something that can inform their understanding of what they've experienced. That's a step in the right direction of bringing awareness. So that doesn't mean that you're going to turn somebody and they're going to be your ally and you guys are going to rally for change all of a sudden. That does mean that they recognize an opportunity to engage and we have to take responsibility ourselves to see if we're going to go through that discomfort of like do I want to be photographed at that rally or not like oh gosh it's bad but it's not that bad or we're going to say yeah we're going to wear our I almost said the P word on that I'm sorry we're going to wear a P cat and show up in places. So really but just having awareness one of what's happening in community who's doing it and how that impacts you. So one of the things that I am asking and we'll be asking people to do as we go forward with all of this is is to talk to your neighbors. Yeah. Go out and knock on doors in your community. I would caveat. Listen to your neighbors. That's a better way of saying it. I don't know that it's better but I would first of all just add in and listen to your neighbors. No I don't a lot of talk in these days. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. I appreciate that. So yes I will abdicate for door knocking to listen and to learn. And to talk with. So that we can better understand each other. Because the people have been talking about for a generation now almost generation now the Internet has helped put walls up in some areas where in other areas perhaps it has knocked them down. One of those walls is our neighbor and we live in little silos and sometimes we know our neighbors and depend on who we are and how much we engage with our neighbors but we need to more. We do we need to hold our elected officials accountable and ask for community meetings ask for forums ask for talk stories. Absolutely. Conveen. Exactly and bring those conversations to the people who need to hear it. Bring the issues that are happening the bills and the resolutions that are being passed heard or not heard in our legislature to the communities and say this is what has been happening. I'm not sure that you're aware of it but by the way and what do you think about that. Shameless plug. My representative is great. Balotti she sends out these newsletters keeps us informed. They all send out newsletters they all send out newsletters and this is you know I tell has been great and I have had I've been a huge supporter of her in a number of ways as well.  Oh no I just lived there so I just wanted to but no absolutely but I look at it from the perspective of we a newsletter is one thing a newsletter is not this. I can't listen to you if I'm telling you through a newsletter something. So where are the town halls. Where are the talk stories. Where I just get to hear or you just get to hear from them directly and more importantly they get to hear directly from us. I'm tired of getting the newsletter newsletter that has here's three questions. Please respond to these questions and send it back to me and therefore that's how they're getting my feedback. That's not how it should work in my opinion anyway but that's that's off topic of that is a topic for another show. So thank you so much for joining us this shows over already there's still so much to talk about so much so not appreciate it always appreciated a good perspective a new perspective all perspectives are good. So thank you so much again so thank you for joining us this is think tech wise movers shakers and reformers. I'm your host Carl Timpanya thanks to the staff the crew everyone here and again to our guest Rachel. See you next time.


Welcome to Toffy TV, this is the start and 11th show for Everton vs Arsenal on Sunday at Goulderson. Before we begin, this video is sponsored by One Football. One Football's app makes it possible to keep up to date with all the later scores, stats and transfer news, all in the one place at Downhill. One Football's app, click the link in the description. Let's get into it. Jordan Pickford in goal, I'm expecting Jordan to bounce back. Add a bit of a difficult start of the week, but I'm expecting him to finish the week with a brilliant performance against Arsenal. Another clean sheet would be lovely. Right back, Seamus Coleman. Really, really improved lately, Seamus. He had a bit of a bad time this season, hasn't been at his level, but since the break, the 17 day break, he's come back strong. I keep saying it, the only game he's missed is the defeat at Newcastle and he's been some really good performances and I thought he was excellent at West Ham at the weekend, finishing with an assist as well. Left back, Luca Dean, my player of the season so far has fitted into this Everton side brilliantly and has made us miss late and bans a lot less than we would have done. Just a classy player and the birth of a baby this week, didn't he? Well, he didn't, obviously, his wife did. Two centre backs, Michael Keane and Kate Schumer, they were excellent last week at West Ham. They continue again, obviously, in the absence of Yeti Mina as well, but they've formed a nice partnership together this season and seem to be getting better and better, so I'm going to have to be aware of the runners like Lacazette and Abame Young at the weekend. Into midfield, Adrisha Garnagay's been brilliant for the last five games. He was fantastic at the City of London Stadium last week. I've also got Andre Gomez, who probably put in one of his best, if not his most complete, performance in midfield last week since he's come into the Everton side. He was outstanding from start to finish and ahead of those two, Guilfee Sigarton, who created a few chances last week, should have scored himself as well, had a couple of opportunities, but he links everything to get the Guilfee, so him there. On the left-hand side, Bernard, my man had a match last week, capped a brilliant performance with a goal, his first in the Premier League. It'd be lovely to see him kick on with that now, but him and Leucadine forging a great partnership down that left-hand side. Over on the right-hand side, Rhett-Charleson, unlucky, not to score in last week's tunnel in the West Dam with the crossbar with the header, but he's been excellent alongside Seamus Coleman on that right. Those two combined for Bernard's goal last week. Rhett-Charleson just worked so hard and he's always a goal threat, so him on the right-hand side. On the left-hand side, I know from continuing Dominic Calvert-Lewan, he's improved so much recently. He just needs to add some goals to his performances and I really want him to get in amongst the Arsenal defenders of the weekend and make them know they've been in again. Get in when there's being nuisance to them and get runs, benders, runs in behind them, but I think this is an evidence side that can cause Arsenal lots of problems at goodness on the weekend. This is my start on 11. Let me know if you would do anything different in the comments section below. Thanks for watching. See you later.


Well, this is Rob Hack back with another episode of Exporting from Hawaii. Today, we're very lucky to have a guest, a good friend of mine from the North Shore of Oahu, Kelly Milletta. She is owner of the North Shore Candle Company, based in Cahucu, so welcome. Thank you for being here on Exporting from Hawaii. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Wonderful candles and some other body products, but I think with a company name like North Shore Candle Company, people are expecting you to make candles and that's sort of your core competency. Wonderful products. Before we jump into the candles, tell us about you and the history of the company. When did the company start? I started the end of 2014. And let's see, where did I start? My grandmother was a painter and a crafter, and my father was a production framer and had a construction business and always came home with salvaged pieces that he made into workable pieces of art. So I think that was kind of the root of everything. I moved to Hawaii. My husband and I, 19 years ago. Were you always on the North Shore? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Your husband's a surfer, right? Yes. Yeah. And so I worked for an import-export business who did wholesale and retail, and then I worked for a local artist on the North Shore as a production manager. So all of this kind of gave me the foundation and the roots for what I do now. Making candles and lots of candles. So how did you get into the candle business particularly? Did you know about this before 2014? No, I was self-taught, but always enjoyed making them and wanted to experiment more. So your candles are a bit different than somebody like me who doesn't know very much about candles. Your candles are different because they're soy-based by and large, right? Can you explain the difference between a soy-based candle and what you might find at a non-soy-based candle? So a lot of big-box stores have paraffin candles or soy blends, and those necessarily aren't that great for our environment. A lot of wicks, there's all the different components that come into it. I just try and keep it as simple as possible with 100% soy wax and 100% cotton wicks. So a lot of these wicks that you would find in other candles or big-box store candles have zinc in the center of them in the core, and that's not good to burn. So there's no paraffins or lipolates or anything in there. Your wicks are made out of what? Cotton. Oh, all cotton. You were telling me that the diameter of the wick is important. How does that... For each vessel that you're using, so I use a lot of repurposed glass. So when I was developing North Shore Candle Company, I struggled with paying to ship in all of this glass and product, so I thought, why not help with... Because there is no glass manufacturer in Hawaii. And so I found some companies or different restaurants and resorts to help have the waste diversion.  Yes. So I have a recycling partnership with a couple of different resorts and restaurants on Oahu. Oh, wow. And then so you cut these down to sort of a standard size, and what would this blue bottle come from? This blue vessel would have been from... That was a sake bottle. Sake. I was going to say sake. Wow. That's really neat. Yeah. And how many ounces is this product? That one is six ounces. Okay. And then what do you sell more of, the glass vessels or the tins? I'd say it's a mix probably with all the tourism, I'd say the tins, because it's easier... Travels better. Yes. It's sleek and compact and it's easier to travel with. And is this the standard size? What is this? That is eight ounces. Eight ounces. Yeah. Okay, great. Now, for me, I think your products smell wonderful. The scents are fantastic, as long time viewers of this show will know that I'm attracted to anything that is lily koi, but there are other scents that are wonderful. Tell us about the scents. What are the most common scents that are here? So the scents of Hawaii is probably the most popular and we offer those in the eight ounce tins and the five ounce mason jars and also these little repurposed baby jars. And it's the lily koi love, which is lily koi and guava. Yeah, that's great. And then the Hawaiian holiday, which is a press room areas and Hawaiian sunset, which is a favorite coconut lime. That's great. Now, in eight ounce tin, roughly how long will that burn for? So typically, per ounce, each ounce of soy wax will burn for eight or nine minutes. Okay. So roughly an hour-ish or more than an hour, good enough for a bath, and there's no difference between whether what the vessel is, it'll burn the same what the wax is. And then the baby jars, where are you getting these from? So those are all locally sourced on the North Shore of Oahu, mostly just we have a large population on the North Shore, big families. And so I just get them off Craigslist actually. Oh, really? That's funny because I don't know that you can, these are part of the high five program. I don't think you can turn these in for money, right? They would just wind up sort of possibly in the landfill. Now, this is also an interesting side product. You don't make these, but you have a colleague who makes these. Can you tell us about the wood? Yes. This wood here is from Found Woodworking. Jen Homsie from Found Woodworking creates these, and believe it or not, this used to be like a scrap piece for her. She makes a lot of cutting boards from local native woods, hardwoods, and most of these pieces used to go in the fire pit. And then, you know, we decided, we got together and decided to make a boat of holder for these purpose baby jars. Oh, wow. Did these used to be wine models? Yes. So, those are all cut to a nice size so where they can be used again. I hope that they all get used again as like a juice glass or a wine glass, or ... Oh, yeah, easily. Right. There are many uses for them. No, is there a type of wine bottle that you're looking for? Because I would assume that not all wine bottles are made the same. And some of them have that lot. What do they call the ... A punt? Yeah, the punt is the big concave part up inside the bottle. These don't have much of a punt, so you can fit more wax in there, but do you have to inspect each bottle or how does that work? Well, I just searched and searched different ones that had a very mild punt on the bottom. Some of them break well, some of them don't break well as far as cutting the glass. So it was a tricky process all along the way. And then these are gift packs. What's included in a gift pack? And so these have two different candles of your choice and one of our body sprays. Okay, let's talk about the body spray. Where did you start this ... when did you start this idea and how did you come up with the idea for body spray and what's in these products? Okay. So I would say the candles were doing so well that I thought why not another product, right? And I use a lot of essential oils myself and just ... a lot of times my hair gets frizzy with the humidity, so I use coconut oil and jojoba. I don't have that problem. And so I thought why not make a product with all these things that I use to moisturize my body and my hair tame and things like that and just relaxing room space and space mist. So did these have product names like ... this one is mana, right? Yes. What is in a jasmine orange, ilang ilang? Yeah. Are there other ... So there are all 100% essential oils and organic jojoba, creep seed, coconut oils. This one's called the aloha. Okay. And there are Hawaiian sandalwood and vanilla. So which of these products right now are you finding is the most popular? There's flora. I would say ... tough call. The Hawaiian sandalwood is probably the most popular because it's from the Big Island. We sourced our sandalwood from the Big Island, essential oil, and then the lavender also from Maui. Oh, wow. So very much made in Hawaii, made with aloha products, very extremely environmentally friendly with a lot of repurposing going on. That's wonderful. Let's talk about streak price. If somebody were to go out and buy this. I think one of your major supply chain or places where people could buy it is at Whole Foods. Yes. Okay. There's others. They have three stores on the island that carry. So what would an 8-ounce tin cost at Whole Foods right now? $16 or $15.95. That's quite reasonable. How about a baby jar? They do not carry that size, but they are $7. Okay. How about these mason jars? And those are $12.50. Great. And how about a gift pack like this? And so those are $35. $35, that's quite reasonable. And then how about the body sprays? So there's two sprays and two oils, two are moisturizing, two are mostly refreshing and hydrating. The sprays are $14 and the body oils are $18. The sprays are in the clear. Yes. Great. And are these, where would customers buy these right now? And so these you can find at the North Shore Surf Shop. They have three locations on the North Shore. Seamades boutique in right by Sharks Cove, North Shore Surf Shop in Haleiva and North Shore boutique. We're recording today at the, basically, what steps of Aloha Tower. Is there anybody down here in Waikiki, Alamoana, Kakaako area that sells the products right now? There's a few stores. Let me think. There's Pineapple County, let's see Magnolia, Hawaii and the Kahalamoa. Let's see, the Sugar Cane Shop. That's great, but also there's Whole Foods in Kakaako that can go to a ward, I guess. Kahala. Great. Okay, great. We'll be right back with Kali Mileta of North Shore Candle Company after this one minute break. Aloha. Aloha. My name is Duretian. You are watching Think Tech Hawaii. I will be hosting a show here every other Wednesday at 1 p.m. and we will be talking to a lot of experts and guests around sustainability, social justice, the future here in Hawaii, progressive politics and a whole lot more. So please tune in and thank you for watching Think Tech Hawaii. Hi guys, I'm your host Lillian Cumick from Lillian's Vegan World. I come to you live every second Friday from 3 p.m. And this is the show where I talk about the plant-based lifestyle and veganism. So we go through recipes, some upcoming events, information about health regarding your health and just some ideas on how you can have a better lifestyle, eat healthier and have fun at the same time. So do join me, I look forward to seeing you and Aloha. This is Rob Hack back again with Exporting from Hawaii. Today we're speaking with Kelly Maleta from North Shore Candle Company here on Oahu, based in Kahuku. Are there any challenges to being based on the North Shore versus being down here and say the commercial hub of Oahu? Do you have any issues with getting supplies or making deliveries or shipments or anything like that? Is having a nice quiet life near the beach, is there any difference from being down here? I would have to say no, it's very easy, you just go, there's traffic everywhere. So you just strategically plan your route and let's see, shipping the things, I try and source everything I can from the Hawaiian Islands but the things that I can or am not yet, I get from mostly the West Coast so it's all my components are either Hawaii made or US made. When you said earlier that you got Hawaiian sandalwood from the Big Island and something else from Maui, what was from Maui? The lavender. The lavender. So do you physically go there and source these components or how do you work on them? No, no, I purchase them wholesale on companies. Okay, great. Now, how often are you making deliveries then down to this part of the island? So typically I try to put everything together and do my deliveries every other week so I'll just spend a whole day just doing deliveries. And then shipping, when you're shipping products say to the mainland or I know you've shipped product to Japan, you shipped them to Korea, how do you ship that? Is there a preferred vendor that you use to ship things or how do you do that? Well, it depends if it's time sensitive, it will go through FedEx, otherwise I use the United States Postal Service and that works so far, it's worked great for me. I think a lot of products like yours that are dense, compact, they do quite well with the USPS flat rate boxes, is that what you're using? So it's probably 80-ish dollars to pack up a box and send it to Japan. How many of these can you fit in one box? Two dozen. That's good. That lowers the per unit shipping cost. And that's one of the largest vessels so some of the smaller ones more would fit and even more. These I think 50 fit in a large flat rate. Just to make sure the audience understands that for the flat rate box the weight is really not an issue, it's just how much you can fit in the box and whether you're shipping a box full of feathers or a box full of candles, the rate is going to be the same. So to Japan I think it's around 80 or 82 dollars these days. Is that the same to the mainland usually if you're shipping product there? Yes, I use the Postal Service and again if it's time sensitive then it will go FedEx but otherwise it's very prompt with the priority mail. What percentage of your business is online sales versus retail sales? I mostly sell wholesale, retail, the e-commerce I would say 25 percent. And most of the e-commerce customers are from the mainland or from Hawaii or how does that work? Mostly I'd say from the mainland. Mostly from the mainland, Canada, Australia, Japan but the majority from the mainland, US. And what is your e-commerce platform that you use? Shopify. How does that work well for you? Oh yeah, it's great. It's great for someone that doesn't have a background with web building. I did have someone help me build the website itself but everything from this point on I can maintain very easily. Well that's great. And you find that having a Shopify based system in Hawaii you're sort of, you're off the grid in a way from being able to get customer service from the Shopify platform or something. Either in, I don't know, the east coast of the US or something like that. But you've had no problem dealing with them. No. Oh that's great. I'm glad to hear that. With Shopify then, on your current website do you have other languages like Japanese or is it purely English? It's purely English, yes. I don't have Japanese yet. And when, if a foreign customer not Canada but somebody from Japan or Korea or Australia when they order from you, how do they order shipping? How is that handled? That I have set up with a flat rate also. With the USPS flat rate. So generally though that customer is not going to order one candle, they'll order 24 hours. They'll order multiple to make it worthwhile. Okay that's great. And do you get a lot of customers coming now from Australia? That seems to me to be a growing market for a lot of our premium Hawaii products. Are you finding more customers from Australia? A good amount, yes, definitely. And they, I get a lot of emails from Australia just saying that we picked up your product on the North Shore and we wish we could get it here. And so they'll just gather, they'll either order enough for themselves and then give them as gifts or you know, cooie up with some friends and place an order together to make the shipping worthwhile. Have you, do you feel, is there any difference in the preferences of the foreign customers versus what locals or mainlanders would order from you? Is there a different scent or? I would say mostly everyone goes for the nostalgic sense of Hawaii which is most of the collection is that a lot of mainlanders will get the relaxing sense. I know you'll get, I'll have students from Boston or Chicago or different areas on the mainland that just miss Hawaii. People that have gone there to study or have transplanted there and they're working in business and small cubicles or something and they just want, they want to bring that Hawaii into their home there. I could imagine. Now we have coming up, as you know very well, Christmas and you have a melancholy democracy. I imagine that Christmas is a big time for you. This is really strong cinnamon that's great and nutmeg. I would imagine that Christmas is big, is that correct? Yes. Are your exports proportionately big around Christmas or are you selling mostly to the mainland or locally? Locally. I do a lot of farm markets in the last quarter of the year so I bring in a lot more retail that last quarter but it's definitely the busiest because of the holiday season because there's more families getting together and more hostess gifts. Oh yeah, of course. Wow and so do you have to hire extra help around the Christmas time to help you with all this production at that time? I do. I have a part-time employee that helps me with the glass production all year long and then I have two other part-time, part-timers during the holidays. Wow, it must be a very, very busy hectic time. Does a company like Whole Foods or that sort of distribution people, do they order more too around the holidays?  Do you have a holiday Christmas-y kind of package that you develop similar to this but Christmas-oriented or how does that work? Well, I just, actually these gift sets are mostly for the holidays and then I just have different colored packaging like the red and the green. I realize that one of the things I forgot to talk about which I think is really, one of your simplest but a very interesting product are these recycled bottle caps that you use and this can burn for, I don't know, 10, 12, 15 minutes, something like that, I guess, right? Yeah. But these are great and then you sell a whole sachet of, what, five, six, seven, something like that? How many are there? Yes, so typically there's, if someone orders off of the website, I throw in a little sachet just so they can have a sample set of whatever this scent is that's going out to my candle club subscriptions that month. Oh, tell us about the candle club. What is that all about? So I have yearly subscriptions for either the repurposed wine bottle vessel or the eight ounce tins and so a lot of them are gifted from sons to mothers or throughout the holiday season and all year long, actually. And so the first week of every month, they will get a candle at their doorstep and ahead of time, they can see which one is coming to them on the website. So do you mix that up? You send them a different candle every month? So there are some different ones than what I typically offer. Some of my scents of Hawaii are in there. But also I put in some holiday scents. How do you do research and development of new products? How do you come up with new scents? I mean, that must be kind of fun in a way, but on the other hand, maybe sometimes you make something that you think, I don't like that one. But how do you do that? It is time consuming. I've had companies approach me. I do some private labeling for a couple of companies. And one company asked if I could make a beer flavored candle. And I just I don't know about that. I couldn't do that one. That one was tricky. But we tried. So it's just it's really just a lot of mixing of the different oils and a lot of playing chemists. I think it would have been fun to come up with your Konokopi scent because that is really a wonderful, but strong coffee scent. If you're a coffee lover, it would be a fantastic scent to have burning in the background. Which was the first one you came up with? What would it be? The Lili Koi Love and the Hawaiian Sunset. And is there one that you consider sort of the flagship like product that most people order or how does that? It's tough. There's a lot of them that are neck and neck. I would say the Lili Koi Love, the Hawaiian Sunset, definitely. And right behind those would be Hawaiian Holiday and Mai Tai. I would imagine that the Japanese consumer really likes the Konokopi too. And the Lili Koi. OK, great. Before we wrap up today's episode, can we put up slide number one and show how we can find Kelly and buy some of these candles and sprays? North Shore Candle Company. You have a great website, northshorecandlecompany.com. This is your phone number, the email address, northshorecandlecompanyatgmail.com. Great. Thank you very much for coming by and showing us these wonderful products. I hope everybody rushes out and buys some candles and sprays today. They smell fantastic. And with that, we are going to wrap up this episode of Exporting from Hawaii. Thank you again, Mahalo, for being here. And we'll see everybody back again in two weeks. Mahalo.