Ooh That's okay. Is that the beginning? Yeah That's what ghosts say this people see this it would be 2023 it will Yeah, I saw one of the higher comments a new British Prime Minister. Yeah One of the top comments was like they should do so and I was like That's the whole idea this whole plan Actually movies that we're coming out consistently around Halloween time right for like one per year Yes, every year one three seven was one per year down right became a lot now as it's Another tradition will probably go around a little line of people doing like a what it's sore to you I would want to open with the people who know the least about it So I assume that would be rags what I know about saw or let what I allegedly know about saw is that it's got a fun little puppet and There's some spooky weird things he makes you do That's it. That's all I know. I've never seen any of the saw movies the saw spinoffs the saw extended universe I have not seen saw. I'm not into like gore. So I hope that's not too strong You'll be fine because you can look away and that'll be great is metal the next up then for no legible I guess so it's basically the same in general or with across the saw with regards to so Hey basically the same for me as it's a rags and we're vaguely aware what's going on in those movies We got all these trapper runes and the puppet. I think those movies get like we're there every time well a lot of franchises do Obviously, we're not gonna want to confirm anything at this point Yeah, that's basically it. It's just this weird gory thing apparently and that's why I never really watched it All right, but now we're all here and I'm super excited. I can hear the excitement in your voice Yeah, shut up go left to right on the remaining five. We're just a cat first you want to go What's what's sore to you? Hmm? I think I've seen five of them I remember there being lots of wacky situations characters wind up in and lots of twisty twists and turns And so I'm looking forward to that. That's the best kind of twist. All right How about you frango? I'd say that I am familiar ish I have watched some of them and I couldn't tell you which ones they were so it's more like a broad Understanding of the series like the premise that as it goes on it starts to get more crazy and kind of deteriorate And stray away from what was like originally a pretty cool idea. That's yeah, that's basically what I've got J Long don't we Yeah, basically seen all of them and the Chris Rock one just recently Which I hated Yeah, I saw the first one in theaters when it first came out with my cousins just imagine the twist at the end and like a theater full of stereotypical Negroes going apeshit over over All right, John, you're up same as Jay. I went to see it I remember in theater it came out in like the small town I grew up in and it was like it was like the date movie to go See really and yeah, except I didn't obviously didn't have a date at the time I just went with some friends of mine or I might have even just gone alone to see it I don't mind it that much the first two. I don't mind if the first one reminds me of a really good student film You know, there's some clever things to the script bogged down by overacting particularly in the second half But we'll get to that. Anyway, that's my take on it. I guess pro tip next time take him to the zoo. Yes Much better than taking them to saw saw is one of those movies that I remember because I was like I got into seeing this and now I'm like, how did I get into I was 11?  Yeah, I remember seeing this in theater and being like This was really cool. I really like this and then I know the first second and third pretty well and then four five six Seven question mark. I think all of them I could tell you the results But I can't tell you which ones are which so it was always fascinating to me such a strange set of movies for many reasons I think we'll get into them as we progress through them. But yes, I remember the first one being pretty solid I'm curious how it's gonna hold up in such a long time. They've seen it. I don't know if I'm a fan or not of soar I'll find out I think I'm not a fan of saw one thing I did know and it'll be a way to move on to the last person's that I very much enjoyed the Average of saw stuff from certain reviewers including but not limited to why I'm s over here. What do you think?  Don't worry. I've got you covered. I can help. Don't be scared to ask The red lines it's crazy. It is that's one of the things I'm kind of excited about The reveals well, there you go if anyone was curious about what kind of roster we got here Got a whole set of different familiarity levels, which is kind of what I was hoping for I really don't know how this is going to turn out. Oh, is everyone right with Saul ready spaghetti? Yeah, oh Three two one go. Oh, wait. Hold up. Hold up. I just got a phone call right at that moment Three two one go Cookie wow that is that is pretty scary This is the film that made Lionsgate it gave them enough money to change from that shitty looking logo Twisted pictures I've always thought had a neat little icon Oh, I love it. I'll twisty One's first film right? Yeah, I think it was first feature. I think so this actually was a student film before it became a Big defining thing of the film is I didn't have a lot of money, right? Is that kind of like the scope of the project? Well, if you can see I was gonna say the main character here at least one of them is under water This is foreshadowing Aquaman James one does Man, I hate it all the sleep underwater so this guy's Lee Winnell who's also one of the writers Collaborator with James one and he also directed the invisible man and upgrade Was the assumption there that he was put in the bath and he slowly slumped down until he was fully under and then it woke Him up by doing that. Yeah, why'd he be dead?  What was that?  That's true.  Yeah, it's not a good room Yeah, as much as being tied up is a bad thing. You were a nice room. You'd at least have that Confused First dead body I've ever seen Like zombies, are you referring to zombies? They've only ever seen dead bodies in zombie films like kids zombies They're not you see any scars.   It's just gonna see slow I'm really bad at it. It's a clean clock. It's brand new Yeah, so okay, good observation Dumbass yeah Flaming ooh mini cassette ease This is old.   It's a bullet. We lay It's French for bullet Well, I'm just trying It'll be great if it just open Like bye game over Throw it under and I would definitely have gone underhand. Yeah That's the way I throw give me my key back. It was mine. No, you should probably keep that key It's a pride given to you for a reason. Oh, yeah, we could put these in the player for them. Oh, yeah That makes sense. That's like a puzzle Yeah, almost there almost there only it would be I will say like it stretch your skin stretch it They do with the things they're supposed to do I guess as human basically do eventually, you know It's like, yeah, I guess I would hold that you'd have to hold both ends and like scoop it And then pull it towards you like you'd hold the arms of the shirt and then you'd throw both ends forward So they have shoes like loop it tie the sleeves together or something.  Oh, that'll work too. Come on. You can do it Batteries are dead. How do these work? Rick roll. Just raise it. I just baby shark, and you can't turn it on Slide it, please Why you I threw you like Safer to throw the Breaking it You went to eight years of doctor's school Wait, look when you're in the operating room you need to throw objects over That they're gonna die so every day it's not old well, I'm sorry. It's not my fault Oh, that's easy Pretty good speakers on that tape Across the room like pretty well saying what's got it up to his ear In this room you could have like a symphony in this room. It's really good low-end Jigsaw's voice Follow your heart We're gonna scratch his own eyes like it's in there. Oh, no, not the pool. You know what you could look at You're hard to hit bro the fall of the white rabbit You would be like in the top of the toilet my head. I know right? Yeah Yeah, that was the first place Try would have checked the tank is not generally poopy Like accidents happen so people need to go okay.  I was like man with this far in and it's just two guys in a room That's neat and we're trying stuff we're sticking our hands in toilets.  Do you want to catch a flying song? Why did it cross the floor? I don't know. That's not what I saw.  Oh, I mean now you're definitely not way to go. What was the budget for this? I assume you don't know Adam I think it was like a million dollars, right? That was those what they have and it made like a hundred million dollars So, you know profit margin like return on investment. God imagine how good that was feel It's the reason why it became a franchise right now return on investment. It's insane quick another one another one another one another one another one and another one And another one. He doesn't want us to cut through our chains.  He is indeed.  Yeah Oh jeez. Yeah, Danny. Oh wait. I'm talking about both of them actually Oh, and that's Diz from stash of troopers victims of 46 year old male Died of massive blood loss. All right. You saw that looking at him. I think she's already deduced this because it looks like people have already had a look around Hey, he started. Yeah, she's that good at her job. It's amazing. He got as far as he did Yikes, put himself so deep.  Yes You did a poor little bit. That's not how you do it. That's not how I would have done it now That the Helen Keller strategy is probably To be honest, it looked like he probably could he had two hours You know, it's hard and you probably get hurt, but his approach was bad. Yes The newspapers started calling him The jigsaw killer technically speaking. He's not really a murderer. Oh, yes. He's absolutely Oh, okay. Come on. Oh, that's oh, it was the bullet officer. It wasn't me Bullets in prison Hello mark. Oh, hi mark.   Can you not just- that one seems impossible. Yeah, that one seems Also, it was bright enough to not need the candle. Yeah, just blow it out I think the implication was that it wasn't bright enough, but just practically they had to film it Yeah, yeah, yeah, so there's some people that have theorized that like maybe actually I'll explain later Yeah, these films get theories guys. Tony Todd is jigsaw There's an inoperable frontal lobe tumor extending across the midline is John Oh my god, that's saw as you can see. That's the weird man. That's the murderer Him because he's weird. Could be these two doctor surgeon people eat peoples. You don't know No, it's that guy Maybe they want maybe they want me to think it's that guy and it's not his name is red herring. I think it might be I was about to say I was thinking of the fish, but yeah, I think it's I'm detective tap, but I'm here to tap that is Well, he couldn't afford a tie Like really though, there's a reason they were able to get him for this film Oh Are you able to tell us where you were between the hours of 11 p.m. At 1 a.m. Last night doctor the lawyer Yeah, that is a lawyer. Yeah, no Get a better one. What were you doing last night? I was seeing someone wasn't a patient. All right. Oh Oh, no, what am I gonna do? It was a clown. Well, as your lawyer Oh, yeah, the asian detective was in old everything's gonna be okay What's your name the guy was the spiky x-man to I said that already My bad. Sorry. This is over.  I was gonna say so this is the one thing I expected people to bring up. This is something I remember the reverse this is the selling point of the movie was this headgear Invented for this film with this. There's no references for him. Yeah I think it looks like my grandmother Oh my goodness, that's not good. You're gonna want to avoid that. Yeah, that's a bad thing. There is only one key to open the device It's an a stomach of your dead soul mate Ah As soon as we saw your tv broke When you're done spazzing out, would you look around? Uh-oh bowls should have done this more calmly And then I saw the body Fox ticking might want to hurry the riddler He's been injected with an opiate overdose. He was having a great time Man that that guy didn't get a choice No, not really You did it Though I still feel like since we've seen like three forms of traps now This one's a little bit easier in a sense.  Yeah How is he supposed to get out? You have earned your 20 amazon gift card That was upsetting, but it was worth it. You are in fact, aren't we all I'm addicted to life baby. Don't you drink coffee? Do you think that is why he picked you? Are you grateful Mandy? Suspicious question asked Okay, stop this woman needs therapy. She just got therapy. It helped her that was therapy That was the therapist on orthodox, but it's right. Doctors hate this one trick I know what you're telling the truth. You can be the one who put me in this room You could be the one put me in the room.  Whoa ouch Were they throwing I guess just chunks of the wall.  Can you hear me in there? Huh? I'm having a blast. This is the most fun I've had without lubricant. Okay That tape told us to find an axe You could be the calm doctor guy when your wife and kid are out there He could be doing anything to them right now. You thinking about that? I am thinking about that. Listen. I am very much considering killing you.  Go back to bed. Uh-oh, what you look really gonna pick like anybody. There's so many at this point Who could be in the dock staring at the check off your socks. Yeah. Oh, she's sleeping with her socks on Some people do that. Oh, some people do that. Yeah lunatics do that. Well, I mean it's at night time. The moon is out What is that wait the moon wait?   I'm still scared. Give me your tootsie. This little piggy.  You're gonna be sleeping in a second anyway, so it's not gonna matter if I'm not here All right, let's be pragmatic about this. That's why I told you about the santa claus thing You're not gonna leave. Oh sweetheart. I Gave you that idea mom's boyfriend said Wow I don't know how much longer we can tell him bedtime stories. Okay I mean, I think it was like a j cut, but it did seem kind of yeah, it did. Yeah Stories aren't real go to bed And now we know it's underhand. Okay. Yeah for the wallet. You didn't want to you didn't damage the wallet, you know It's really important It's more important You must really not be entertaining the idea that you'll kill him because you'd think you wouldn't want to Get more connected in any way and share your stuff about yourself if you're gonna actually consider killing this guy So where's the lucky wife? There's another picture behind the one you're looking at Oh my god Wouldn't you have checked through the wallet when you find out that he planted a tape on one of you? Yeah, to be fair, there's a lot of poop on the walls. It's very distracting. It's not here This photo you're talking about it's not here. Why wouldn't you just tell him that?  He was looking right at him too Like, oh, what's that picture you got right there?  No, I'm not feeling like this right now. I'm not sure how much way Tell me not some princess bride people probably annoyed.  That was pretty weird, bro.  That's another adult? I guess he knew I guess he waited. Oh, I guess if it was a while after it looked like it was right When the husband left it was hard to tell. Yeah, because she was still standing in the same spot in the living room I'm a surprise contract pediatrician Wouldn't the hoppy be faster now? I do house calls. I imagine these two are pretty stressed out, you know Like why why dude, why for fun?  We're doing a little timeline shenanigans right now This isn't happening now that's happened earlier. No, so well, this is actually present But last we saw him was in the past where he was he was pretty chill see but he's not chilling Yeah, this is closer to the present than the Initial investigations we saw so the current game is happening very close in the timeline to This current version of Danny Glover who seems a little bit buying an unhinged bad guy Because you know when you put newspapers all over the wall that just means you've gone that Also that transition was so weird.  Oh crispy cream You We're gonna get more than one, right? They're gonna. Oh two beers. Okay. They're gonna split a beer Literally going to get a beer. I don't think it's weird. They're gonna go. What it's a big beer Uh It's weird, I didn't know what song was gonna come out when that joke began as I thought in my head But that's the song that came out. That's just the first song comes to my head Can we enhance this k2 gun zoom computer enhance Section four dash six the asian detective. Oh, I'll say later actually. Yes. We know he's the hedgehog from x-men three That's a real thing and I'm gonna make the edit to grab that image. You can't make me It totally can and will You gotta check the records from all the fire emergencies that occurred in that area within the last two weeks An old listing used to be a mannequin factor. Do you think we have enough for a warrant though? Who said anything about a warrant? Whoa, Danny. Danny They're doing things not by the book We don't need a warrant. He's like, oh, that's like a legal Yeah, should we tell people we're going here in case something bad happens to us? No Mavericks you're reckless. That's why I brought you give me a badge. You get going. There's no time I hope they caulk that thing several times. That's my favorite movie trope Why do you have a shotgun? I guess it's just around any corner I would I would be fine with a shotgun. I would feel safe and secure Look, we bought it for the department. We need an excuse to use it You've always wanted to bring the shotgun. Now's your chance. Singh has always loved the shotgun That's why we call him shotgun sing Oh, that's neat Oh, there's models. This isn't great. This is so pretty Nerd What is this a torture room for ants?  Oh jimmy christmas Oh, hey, man. Oh, hi. What you doing here?  Good thing there's loud music so that he couldn't hear you guys running around I'm back from worshiping satan honey. I'm Satan ceremony just got back from a prize fight. Awake already Jeff. I need more powerful tranquilizers next time Hold it right there. Don't move.  Lucky. Just don't care The second he made a movement you just thought they might shoot in 20 seconds the life of this man will be ended He certainly they did decide to point their weapons at him while he's right next to like a victim Yeah, yeah, maybe shotgun not the best. He's slowly moving in a particular direction.  Where's that steel? He disconnected the wire with his foot No, the wires that lead to the drill.  Where's the emergency stop? You There you go, yeah, thank you.  It's whatever he aims at anything that he's picked. That's how resident evil was doing that all the time. It's great Oh, it was someone else he put in the hood, isn't it considering they're a busy zillion of these films I doubt he just killed the killer It just seems unlikely Right there Oh, maybe that is the twist that would be a second ball the way he actually is So like all the other films would just be like copycats who think that's a great idea Oh How do you not notice that even I saw that Oh, no jam. Oh my god, did he have a vest on? Didn't even pee his holes in the back. Oh, it didn't even break. Yeah, there should be holes in the back Oh, it's a John Wick suit. That's why Oh, it's mad. Okay there, buddy Put pressure on the wounds REEG! I MEAN SING!  He shot the drills Excuse me I'm looking at my fingers I broke a nail Just turn them off for a second What you're up to but I'll do it I got a poop. Oh Oh, it's the x games The lights in here hadn't charged it. It must be glowing the dark paint or something To be honest with you wouldn't the lights have been on when they were setting this whole thing up I guess it was the amount of time that it that the lights were off But it couldn't have been long because the guy was under yeah, because the guy was underwater So it couldn't have been that long.  Oh that key.    I really don't the cigarettes are harmless. I promise think about this. You don't need a gun to kill that May I please have a cigarette? No, it'll give you cancer. It's bad for you.  It's good enough Last night after I finished at the hospital. I was walking back to my car. This is a hospital I don't believe this is a hospital's parking garage. Is that what he said? This is like a parking garage from Batman and Robin The hospital parking was full. I thought I was alone But I'm sure someone else was there Of course. He drives a BMW. Of course.  No wonder.  Hey, we'll wait.  Oh, no. Oh, oh my goodness gracious. There's two assholes in that It's the crow's parking garage That's like to get away with any crime here Are you not looking at your car? What are you doing in the business? Can I help you?  It's like they knock them out. What did they do? I assume that they have like they do show us some The movie trope is chloroform, but there's other things you could use pocket sand, of course How did you know to turn off the lights? Who cares? It worked. Yeah, but how did you know instinct instinct?  You want to know? Yeah I'd love to know. Yeah, how long would you guess they've been in here? There it is. Uh 20 minutes 30 minutes, maybe Where did you get this? Why didn't you show me this before? Yeah, that was maybe Maybe the fact it's it that's how raw it is these raw emotions. They actually took this back probably You will be in this movie What are you doing? I think that was better Definitely better. Absolutely. That was better. You don't need a gun to kill Adam when there's that much poison in your blood The only thing left to do What are you gonna light it with? There's a lighter in there. There's a lighter in there. Yeah, which would make me think oh fire That's pretty good. What can we do with that? Good thing. He's not looking Yeah, they do that a lot with each other Nothing I mean the audio would still come through normally, so I don't maybe they're whispering. Yeah, he was whispering The problem is it's it's clear that that's happening So you have to keep that in mind now for whatever happens next So you uh, you still want that cigarette? Is he like already suspicious at all? Yeah, if I were the killer I'd be like guys Dude, he did it again underthrowed the thing that couldn't possibly be destroyed by an overthrow. There's a lighter. You Why? They choose the opposite one every time I wonder when cigarettes will be like a antiquated thing. You have to explain people whether they are like phones on the wall People used to do that What are you doing? Good god What if the poison just walks up to you?  So jigsaw's just like uh There I've done it.  No Oh, whoops. Can you hear that? How? No, that's for us.    It had a big people splooge on the end of it I probably be like, uh, wait, this looks like blood. It looks like the killer that's in front of you. Did you get it? It's lipstick You only tried for a few moments. It might you might have to be a little patient Oh, this is a depressing place to live. Wow, you live here. Oh god In a million dollar apartment in Los Angeles This is like where the serial killer should live This is like the serial killer's house in seven except he's not supposed to be a serial killer in this context He's just like a photographer, dude. It was shot in australia. Wow. No comment from the australian Oh, what am I supposed to make you bad? It's true. It's literally true. Go makers. Our music makes me think that this is the end of the movie We did the credits to stop rolling. It's like wait, there's so much to do Wow, photography is really boring. I fell asleep Dude, there's a lot of times in this movie where they need to show us what's happening But the character can't see anything and so it creates a little bit of dissonance But they've done it several times. You could do it better than this, you know I actually think here we if you can introduce the idea which is he's walking and taking photographs This would be way better if it was pitch black with a couple of reflections and then only Yes, you only ever see the frame Yeah, this I think is a losing out on the effect by making us see everything Plus that's like jump scare waiting to happen. What in that case? Throw something at him. Oh, don't do that.  Did you not read the note on the puppet?  I said to you That's a horror movie dork. I've ever heard one. Yeah. Yes.  I'm here. This doesn't change anything about santa claus. Just so we're clear Larry alley don't believe adam's lies. He knew all about you before today She mentioned your name. She told me not to believe you Believe me about what? Can you say it say it more guilty dude this was this film what inspired le dois.  I love it.  No, it's not You don't recall getting your picture taken in that parking lot. No Man that was real subtle must have been my imagination. You can take a picture of him without the plan It's not the first time i've done it either larry What's the flash of all of those Every image is completely accurate and cannot be manipulated Why did you page me when you knew I was at home because I was just horny.  It's horrible He's called me dr. Gordon. It's weird that we're not on the first name basis yet.  Just hear a voice like it passed the door pick it up You tell me when you're here. No Oh, no It's for you If this is where you're coming to sleep with people the fair stuff you should really not hold that It doesn't matter who's called it, buddy. This is bad news. He just goes.  Who was it calls himself bob and he gives me the money up front Whoever paid you to take pictures of me. It's the one who put us here. What did he look like? You know, he's just a guy. Was he tall was he skinny obese? Why don't take notes about his appearance.  He's a tall black guy. He's got a scar around his neck. Okay. How did you not open with that? Yeah, I didn't know anybody looks like he looked a lot like daddy glover. I don't know He's hilarious in universe. It's daddy glover He was he was discharged from the police force the guy that came obsessed Convinced himself that I must have somehow been involved with the murders and he was crazy And you helped him you took money from him to invade my privacy. You're not a victim of this game You're part of it. Oh Yeah, he's not a part of the system.  That is very different My whole life was in perfect order No, it wasn't Mommy just needs you to be really really really really strong right now Stop crying. Not very convincing mom. Yeah, but mom, you're not being very strong right now Brain blast. What the Just my wife's boyfriend. What does your wife's boyfriend look like? He's like, which one? He's a tall black guy with a scar across his There's so many kind of like danny glover You didn't notice this in the pictures you took and developed that there was a guy standing in the window Uh-oh You picture How did you not have this on your head? Yeah Here I go kill him again, but he's not really saw him. He doesn't want to do it He's being hired just like the other guy was hired saw the mastermind Dr. Gordon's time is up. I'm afraid it has to be you that tells him he failed Is that you Zepp you bastard?  He's like, okay, right now.  Yeah I want you to get out of reaching and grabbing this. He's getting a little closer lady. Where are you? Please forgive me. I've always been happy with you. Oh, yeah the kid. I forgot about that. Oh You're so incredibly.  All you had to do is not be within arms distance You know for a fact keep pulling the trigger empty the gun so he can't use it against you You know the for a fact that tap is like finally. Jesus Why do you Know I was in pain and incapacitated That's that's emotional cover is what that is Oh no, oh man If this bullet to that gun, you should totally have killed tap there, right? Double tap.  He's got his back to tap right now You still have to pull the slide back. There's no idea. He has to if you pull the trigger He's moving around because he just doesn't seem to care. He's like, oh, well, you are not a good everybody's pretty bad In this in terms of this everyone's really deals like Let's go. I guess I reload now. It wasn't even all the way to him crying is just funny. Oh, jeez. How are we? It was like we need permits to go on the road.   No, I guess not because that's not what people do That's pretty small. I'm thinking he's gonna do something pretty cool and interesting. Oh, no, it's just Why'd you go and do that?  He can't figure it out himself. I'm trying to will my arms longer.   Make sure the gun is out of arms distance.  Cool. How did that happen? Why are you so bad? Oh, no, what are you doing? Why are you so bad?  It was great. It was great Oh, there was no blood on this shirt when he shot him.  Your foot is clearly. Yeah.  That's poison everywhere. Flash you honestly. I've never thought of that That's really true rubbing your flash along that poisoning blood. Yeah, not a good idea.   Thank you. There were rules. Oh my god yoga I looked downward noggin in here Oh, that was getting itchy. That's the last time I drink tequila. Okay to that chain is in the bathtub.  I don't like that. Oh, his name is john has an inoperable frontal lobe tumor Sick of people who don't appreciate their blessings. Looks like our guy likes to book himself for our seats to his own sick Epilepsy warning. Oh Jesus.  I didn't do anything. I love a happy ending. Yeah Yay, we did it. We saw saw we no longer have to see saw Oh my goodness Monica paul's it. Oh harry paul's bone. There's still plenty of saw to see you guys Oh, what do you think? I didn't like it. Oh Like it's a product of its time It's moderately amusing to watch in a group of people who like are making fun of it sort of But I cannot imagine ever going to a theater and thinking wow, that was good. We need more of this I don't think it holds up. Well, well, hang on. Did you think a quiet place was good? Um, that's directed at rags Oh Wait, did I yeah, I didn't even know you're referring to me. Is that my thought? I think you also thought of distella was good Okay, I think it's all right. Oh, we've all been there. Okay If we were to just grant those things is true for the sake of this argument What does it have to do with saw a soul's better than both of them? Definitely I like it's not even close. I think it's got plenty of problems, but I like it a lot. It's actually well, it's fun I was hoping to get to the points of praise as well. I like making fun of it But there's plenty I like in this the overall idea of just a new kind of serial killer Quote-unquote new and then all these big twists and turns and all the revelations that come one by one Like yeah, I could totally understand how an audience would be engrossed in this Yeah, and it's just like very strong Yeah, it's a nice small thing kind of like cube was yeah, or you can just film something really low budget small cast Limited locations. Well in this case, I could have been better. Sure. Could it have been worse? Yeah for the problems that it has I think it's all right.  This opens yours. All right Well, like what what is the idea there? Really caught to the core of the concept of jigsaw does it?  How was he supposed to know? It's yeah, it's to add an extra layer of like I think that there's a fear in regret in these films where it's like Oh, I could have done this if only I had known this then I'd be alive But now I have to live knowing that I could have saved myself and I didn't yeah Like that's a very common thing in these films and it's just a way of them adding that it's not it doesn't make any sense I think that's pretty accurate They wanted that beat so badly that they didn't think about the actual logic of it The whole idea with jigsaw is because he's dying He's really upset about seeing people wasting their lives So he puts them in scenarios that are meant to test, you know, basically Decisions they're making because they're almost they're supposed to be like appropriate to their story at least very pretty much I think that was exemplified by the guy who's cutting himself despite having a life that's perfectly acceptable He's like so how much you're gonna cut yourself to keep your life. Hmm. Just like yeah He he has his philosophy, but he clearly plays favorites I kind of I kind of want you to keep living and I kind of want you not to What I'll pretend is if you all have that guy who has a lot to say Yeah That's one of the things I remember when I watched this that I felt uncomfortable with I felt like if the choice of those three games we saw other than the one that these guys are going through It's like, well, I I guess the one you want probably the one where you have to hurt someone else But then again, yes the barbed wire one that really seems possible to me Maybe I need to be they don't understand how much it's not possible at all or it's gonna be Exactly Along the ground really slowly.  I will say I I vastly prefer jigsaw as an antagonist to an amorphous death from the final destination movies Nothing. Well only because of the execution. I would say myself.  That's great But this you know the way he executes his plans are very kind of over the top But I appreciate that there's a character there that we can try to make sense of I think there's a bit more motivation than just they should all die. Yes Yeah, I think that's part of what gave so its character as well that that whole like he does it for a reason But I don't know how well it carries through the movie go on So now I want to talk about detective tap Why? He's my favorite detective.  He's the best detective Oh, I remember even when I first saw this I was like, please give me something more than just like he just dies He kind of repeats too.  He's gonna put it through the end. He just gets killed But he's crazy. Yeah, it's just like oh He's watching the security camera like 24 hours a day for years.  They have little boss fine. He just gets killed. You're like, oh, that's just seems pointless Got goofed. Yeah, it's like the least satisfying way to possibly watch that play out.  Yeah. Yeah, I would like to uh, just share like a one minute clip If if that's fine. This is in these settings for the if you go to the game settings for saw the video game This is what you hear Oh This should have just played over the credits of the first movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah The voice acting is so bad. So held back. I like this. Yeah, it's not great. Not great I am I am constantly thinking about that voice acting like all the time almost sounds like morty Oh Geez get me out of here out of curiosity. Why is what what number do you give this the one? I have it rated as a seven right now. Holy moly. Um, wow I Out of a million there's so much wrong with it and like the the experience Does dwindle the more times you see like I've seen it probably like 20 times So like this this time I felt like it was kind of more of a six But I don't know I I do have kind of like a bias and favoritism towards these because I You know grew up with them and yeah, it's so nostalgic for me I don't know the the first one the first one has very humble beginnings and I appreciate it for that Um, yeah, I was bringing said I like it more than I think it's good. I can't even say it's a five I like it's not I think so. I think it's got so many problems Uh, I do really like how much of it takes place just in the one room with two people We do a lot of flashbacks, but all the stuff for most of the stuff I should say before the acting gets a little wacky It's just the two of them in the room. I quite like it pretty sure. This is the best one. Yeah, yeah question mark I would say that. Oh my goodness. Yeah, so that'll be interesting to see I It depends how you're judging it if I Want to put on another one right away just for my own personal enjoyment This isn't the one that I would put on first, but I'll let you know when it comes up But yeah, this is definitely the the one to most appreciate in terms of like its legacy, I guess Uh, that was sore Um, I saw was there anything else you guys wanted to mention about this movie before we say goodbye It was funny. I I found it more funny than I've ever found it And I think that's because I've been watching it with all of you that could be why yeah Alley There's some There's some clever attempts at plotting, but it needed more work on it. Kerry L. A's is very funny in the movie. Yeah I also think that the film has a style that comes through pretty clearly There's a lot of cool shots I would do that would go as far as I saw as a series has a style that I don't Associate with much of anything else, but it's a voice for sure. I like the whole puppet Puppet's cool puppet. I hope he has his own movie puppet. I'm gonna be real quick. I'll be able to call it spiral That's a reference. Okay. I'm very clever. Okay. Bye. Bye everybody. What'd you bring me?


I'm your host Winston Welch and I am delighted that you are joining us today for this out-and-about show special edition where we're every other week we explore a variety of topics, organizations and events with the people who fuel them in our city, state, country and world. As a disclaimer, any views or opinions expressed by me are strictly my own and not connected with any organization. Joining me today in the studio I am honored to have Leilani Maxera, Overdose Prevention Manager with the Hawaii Health and Harm Reduction Center whose motto is reducing harm, promoting health, creating wellness and fighting stigma in Hawaii and the Pacific. Welcome to the show today and thanks again for being my guest. Thanks so much for having me today. So this is a very great time you guys have been on the show before. You do wonderful work. How long have you been with HHHRC? Well personally I've worked with the organization for about four and a half years. Okay, so you were there before it merged with the two? Yes, so we did merge about it's been a little over a year previously. We were two separate organizations, Life Foundation, which was known as the AIDS Service Organization for Oahu, the main one. And then the CHOW Project, Community Health Outreach Work, to prevent HIV AIDS. And we were mostly known for being the syringe exchange for the state. So your services are not just on Oahu, they are statewide? Our syringe exchange services and our overdose prevention program are statewide. A lot of our other services are only on Oahu, so we do HIV testing, hep C testing. We have a smoking cessation program, we have HIV case management, we have a transgender services program. We have a lot going on. We have almost 60 employees, but the majority of our services are just Oahu based. For syringe exchange and overdose prevention, we have staff on Oahu, Hawaii, Maui, and Big Island. Oh, okay. So you're basically statewide except for Molokai and Lenai. And we can work with them if need. Okay, and so you are the manager of overdose prevention. What does that entail? What is that? So the syringe exchange program started first and our overdose prevention program was born out of that. The syringe exchange program, we're actually celebrating 30 years of syringe exchange in Hawaii this week. And our overdose prevention program, though the whole time we've been doing syringe exchange and education around drug use with our participants, we talked about overdose prevention. It was only in the last two and a half years that the, almost three years now, the drug naloxin has been legal to carry for lay people in the state and that we've been able to distribute it. And what naloxin is, is an overdose reversal drug for people who overdose on an opiate. So that's very much expanded our overdose prevention program and allowed us to do trainings and give that out for free to people. So does Hawaii have a really big drug problem? How is it compared to the rest of the nation? In terms of, and you've probably seen this, if you pay close attention to the news, a lot of news about opiates in the past several years, in terms of Hawaii actually opiates are not the main drug of choice here. So when you look at opiate overdose, we actually are quite low in terms of the numbers per capita. A few years ago, before naloxin program started, we were at 43 out of the state's overdose numbers from opiates. We were at 43rd in the country. Now we're at 50. It's out of 51 because it includes Washington, D.C. So our rates of opiate overdose deaths are actually quite low compared to many other states. We do have opiates here, but ICE or otherwise known to many people methamphetamine is our main drug of choice here in Hawaii comparatively. So we, but we are seeing issues with opiate overdose that is accidental also for people who think they're only taking ICE because we do have an issue with fentanyl being found in all drugs no matter what they are. So people may accidentally take an opiate when they did not necessarily mean to. And that's an issue we're seeing countrywide is fentanyl contamination in the drug supply. Oh, it's interesting because this week you said we're celebrating International Overdose Awareness Day. Yes, we are. And internationally it's celebrated on the 31st, which is Saturday. But this in Hawaii, we're going to do a different day. Yeah, so we're celebrating on the on Thursday, which is the 29th instead of the International Day of the 31st because it falls on a weekday. And it was easier for us to get a venue and to get people to be able to work for us at the event, et cetera. So we're celebrating a little early and it's also because we decided to do the event in conjunction with our 30 year celebration of syringe exchange. So we'll be celebrating both in one day. So celebrating that we've had this program there that have saved so many lives and helped so many people in its harm reduction approach and maybe recognizing and being aware of the International Overdose Awareness Day. But it's both of these. Where's this going to take place? So the event is going to be at Harris United Methodist Church. It's on Numanu and the Cross Street close by is Vineyard. And so it's going to be 1130 to two. And so what we're going to be doing for the event is we're going to have lunch served for fits, events completely free and no need RSVP. We're going to have lunch served and then we're going to have opening remarks from the Department of Health and our executive director. We're going to be debuting a actually a short documentary that's being made about the history of syringe exchange in our islands. And then we're going to have a panel with people who were there from at the beginning who helped to get the syringe exchange started here and then people who do currently also work in syringe exchange to talk about how it's changed. We are also going to do naloxone trainings for people. If someone does not have a naloxone kit, they can come that day, get trained individually by one of our staff and take home an overdose prevention kit with them. We're also going to have a memorial set up to honor the lives of people we've lost to overdose. We do this every year and you can come and add a name if you would like the memorial as well. And for someone that would be coming to get a naloxone kit, are these family members of a user or is it mostly for law enforcement? So we recommend that anybody who has any sort of every community member actually we really recommend people get a naloxone kit. We really focus on getting the kits out to the drug using community. So our participants of the syringe exchange and their loved ones because who's more likely to be present when somebody overdoses. It's going to be other people who use drugs and their loved ones, family members, people they live with. We also focus on training service providers in social services. So people at treatment centers, people at the houseless shelters and other nonprofits that work with the community we serve. We also have trained some of the police departments, they carry naloxone. Maui Police Department actually has had several overdose reversals with naloxone that we've given them that they have actually come across people who've overdosed. But really anybody who may come in contact with someone who's overdosed even if you just live in Chinatown and you're walking down the street, we have had one individual who's reversed two overdoses on separate occasions just walking down the street and coming across someone who's overdosed. It's really powerful and I think it's important to remember that these are diseases. These affect the mind and the body in ways that are very complex. And well, we'll get into the pros and cons of that later, but can you tell us how do the... And one of your things is fighting the stigma in Hawaii and the Pacific so that people can have access to resources and harm reduction. Can you tell us what is harm reduction? Well, harm reduction is something that we all use in our everyday lives and it's just what it sounds like, reducing the harm of things that hurt us. So every day we each do something that we know is bad for us and we do it anyway. If you drove here today, you put your seatbelt on. If you rode a bike, you put a helmet on. So harm reduction is really what we use every day in our lives. We all do things we know have negative consequences. The difference with harm reduction in the work that we do is that people oftentimes see drug use as a moral issue. So it's hard for them to discern the differences when in reality we're trying to do the same thing, is reduce the harm of activities that hurt us. And what would some of those tangible results be from this program? So the most basic definition of harm reduction is any positive change. So if we're working with folks to create any positive change in their lives, that's much better rode to go down than abstinence-only education.  You're not giving them the tools they actually need to make change in their lives. And so if I'm counseling somebody and we're talking about their use, and we call ready for change, because someone's not ready for change, nothing's going to stick. Like if I decide I want to make any sort of change, I want to start going to the gym every day, starting tomorrow. And I'm not really ready for change. It's not going to happen, right? So what we do is we use motivational interviewing and other techniques. When we work with folks to elicit where they're at, we have to meet them where they're at, not where we're at, not what we think is best for them. What they think is best is usually we're going to start because they know what's best for them. And so sometimes that might look like, oh, so you're looking to make a change and use less. So if you shot up 10 times yesterday, let's try what would it look like for seven tomorrow, and make small incremental changes with folks. And then sometimes they're very much ready for change, and they want to quit that day. And that's fantastic too. But we meet people where they're at so that we can match how our interventions and our referrals with what they need at the time. So you have case managers and people come in and they, whatever their health or housing or mental condition is, you have our physical health, you have case managers where you can connect them with appropriate services. Well, I'd love it if we had funding to have more case managers. We mostly have outreach workers. And so the folks we work with, they come to us, they come to the syringe exchange and talk to our syringe exchange outreach workers, and we build rapport with people. So there can be times where actually we have folks we serve for years. We never know their real name. We're an anonymous service, and we're anonymous so that people can feel comfortable trusting us and coming to us. And sometimes people right away tell us their story, tell us their name, we build a rapport quickly, and when they're ready for a referral, we'll make that. But sometimes it takes much longer. A few years they'll come, they'll start talking story with our folks, finally tell us what they need. And so they work with my outreach workers quite a bit. We can do referrals to other services outside of the agency. And now that we've merged, one great thing about our organization now is that we have tons of services within one agency to refer to. And we do have a certified substance use counselor. We can refer folks who are ready to go into treatment. And so tell us about the mechanics of this. Do they come down to your headquarters or do they meet a van? Or how can they find out information about a syringe exchange? So on Island, on Oahu, we actually have two outreach fans, one parks in Chinatown, Monday through Friday during the day. Where is that? And that's 9 AM to 2 PM downtown. And then we have another van that each day of the week, it goes to a different part of the island. And that's really to reach the folks that are the most vulnerable who can't make it in to see us. So if somebody's North Shore living under a bridge, we're going to go to them. And so we go Waikiki in town, West Side, North Shore, and then Wynward, different days of the week. It looks a little bit different on the neighbor islands because we actually have much less people that use our services on the neighbor islands. We only have one outreach worker on Kauai and one on Maui, and they're appointment based. So they don't have a set place they go. They get calls and people come meet them. And then on Big Island, Hilo side, we have a outreach worker that does hark several different places. We have our schedule published on our website. And then also you can call. They have a voicemail that changes every day where they're at. And what is your website? It's hhhrc.org. Hhhrc.org. So, hhhrc.org. And then quickly in Kona, we actually work with HiHaf, which is Hawaii Island HIV AIDS Foundation. And people can go to their office to exchange. Sorry, I just wanted to get that in. No, thank you. And I suppose that information is also posted on your site as well. Yes, and we have the phone numbers for each island. You can call for services. Well, when we get back, I suppose we'll take a look at some of the photos that we have about the actual mechanics of the exchange and then some other things that bring us into awareness about this issue that's, I think, the most shocking thing I read earlier this year was that for Americans under 55, it is overdoses the leading cause of death. Is that true? I think it is. Which is, it was in time, or news week, so we're going to go with that that's not fake news. And so this is enormously high accidental death, I suppose would be a better way to say that, but that these are part of the diseases of despair and that these are affecting all races, all ages, all ethnic groups, all socioeconomic levels. And I'm actually glad you brought up that term. It's not a widely used term, diseases of despair, deaths of despair. It's absolutely true. And in Hawaii, one of the overdose deaths are one of the main causes of accidental death in our state. And then one of, and they're also one of the top in causes of injury related deaths in the state, but also suicide. And those are both considered deaths of despair, which we really need to look at as a society why these rates, suicide rates have skyrocketed. Not just in Hawaii, but all over the country. And we really need to look at why people are turning to drugs more often, why are people thinking there's, having such hopelessness as well. It's a really important topic. I'm so thrilled that you're here today to share with us in the very important work that you do. I, we've got to take a short break. I'm Winston Welton, a host of Out and About on this Think Tech Livestreaming Network series where you will always find the most interesting guest and host and topics that are really relevant to our lives here. 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I'm Winston Welch and this is out and about on the Think Tech Live Streaming Network series talking with Leilani Maxera, the overdose prevention manager from the Hawaii Health and Harm Reduction Center. And this week we are honoring those who are on this path and who are working, we're celebrating 30 years of syringe exchange here in Hawaii and also seeing that this is international overdose prevention, I'm sorry, international overdose awareness day. And today, normally internationally we celebrate on the 31st, here we're gonna do it on the 29th. We're celebrating on Thursday the 29th. Thursday the 29th at Harris Methodist Church from 1130 till two. So if you're just, if maybe you've got a loved one who is using or you're using or what are you just curious about with the community? Yes, we would love it for folks to come. You don't have to RSVP, but yes, if people are worried about themselves or a loved one and they'd like to come get overdose prevention kit for, which is naloxin that can reverse an opiate overdose, we will have them for free. Or just anyone in the community who wants to talk about these issues, many people have lost loved ones to overdose and we invite everyone to come and learn more about our services, celebrate 30 years of syringe exchange in our islands and also be there to pay tribute and give love to the folks we've lost from overdose. Yes, and that's part of it is that because this is every age group, it's every race, it's every ethnicity, it's all socioeconomic levels hitting some folks harder than others that you would typically might expect. But I think since it is the leading cause of accidental death in the nation, obviously it's going to be affecting us and you hear about it, it's something that your organization is right on the front lines helping. So how does this work? Let's say I'm a user and I've got this needle and I don't wanna share it with somebody else because I don't want to get or transmit HIV or hep C or anything else and I just wanna clean needle. How does this work?  And so if people want to come to see us, it's an anonymous exchange and we do ask some questions of ethnicity, age, et cetera for our own data purposes and we give people a card that they use that is also anonymous but it has a number so we can kinda keep track of how many times people come. We do a yearly evaluation. The newest one which is available on our website is from 2017, the 2018 one is coming out soon and so we do try to get some data from our folks but it is anonymous and so people come to us and you can refuse as well if you really, really don't even want a number that's okay, we'll serve anyone who wants to exchange and so when someone comes to us, we count how many syringes they have, ask which ones they want, exchange the dirty syringes for clean ones and then also other things they may need so we have other harm reduction tools, we have condoms, lube, we also give out things like pipe covers, a lot of folks actually smoke out of glass pipes and it's a hepatitis C risk. If you have an open sore blood on your lips and you share with somebody else, things and other things that go along with injection drug use that could get blood on them, we also give out snacks when we have water but also referrals to other services so if someone comes to the van and they want housing or mental health services, if they wanna know where to go to get their IDs, we talk story with folks and give them referrals to the other things. I think we have a picture of the van here that goes out and it's in Chinatown every day, you say, oh, in fact- Monday through Friday. Monday through Friday and this is a picture of the surgeon general Jerome Adams, I believe. Yes, Dr. Adams, yes. And what's he doing here? Just seeing how it works. So this was amazing. We actually were so blessed to have him come visit us a couple of weeks ago. So he was coming to the islands to do several visits. He went to the medical school to give a talk. He visited other services on the island but he is very supportive of syringe exchange. He was the state, oversaw the state Department of Public Health under Pence when they had that HIV and hepatitis C outbreak several years ago. And what happened there is we saw what really what happens when a state hasn't legalized syringe exchange and people are sharing syringes. So we had whole communities that were drug using that ended up HIV and hep C positive because they didn't have access to sterile syringes. I think one of that here, as I just Googled, when our current vice president was Governor of Indiana, we had a mass outbreak. And this is an interesting one because they went back and they did a statistical mathematical modeling of how many cases would have been prevented and they said it should, it would have been 10 cases or fewer if they had a syringe exchange program based on all the data that they could crunch and compare to this. Instead, 215 people became HIV infected and probably a lot more with hep C because it's a lot more infectious disease. Yeah, we saw a lot of co-infections there with hep C and HIV. And for us, because the people that came together and saw it was the governor's task force on AIDS, they came together, members of that, they really heard about syringe exchange happening other places and they really very quickly jumped on the bandwagon for that and were so lucky that they had the foresight to know that this would be a good prevention tool here in Hawaii because we actually have half the prevalence rates of HIV in our drug-using community, then there is nationally. And you can attribute that probably almost directly to needle exchange. And how many states do you have needle exchanges? I think right now it's legal in, I'm sorry if I'm wrong on this, 43 states. There's still some states that are, it's just becoming legal. There's places like Indiana where when they had the outbreak, it wasn't legal and then they legalized syringe exchange and some counties brought it in but it's still not fully legal. And a lot of states also, like they had issues in Indiana, aren't following best practices either. And so that's really important in terms of meeting people where they're at, having it run in a way that's user-friendly so that folks actually will come for the services, which includes things like they were doing when they first brought syringe exchange to Indiana. There were places where the police were present during syringe exchange, which made people afraid to come. And even with us, one thing that Dr. Adams was, I mean, it was an amazing visit because he asked us so many questions. I mean, he just, you saw from that picture, he just jumped right in the syringe exchange van and went through our things. He asked us a lot of questions about our syringe exchange and one thing is we are a one-for-one exchange. We have to get to get one back to give one out. Yeah, and many states, that's not the case. They give people what they need and ask for. So that's something we discussed with him. That's considered a best practice because a lot of things happen with our folks.  And so a lot of times they don't have one to exchange. One thing we're lucky for is that we do have a law here that you can purchase syringes at a pharmacy without a prescription. But the only problem with that is it's not called this, but it's essentially a morality clause where the individual pharmacist working at the time can refuse to serve you. And so unfortunately, that's something we need to look at changing for sure in the future, but it also means that we don't have true, full access for folks who need a syringe. Hopefully you're getting a pharmacist who is actually moral and realizes that he or she is doing the best thing for the patient. Now, I saw that like when you were saying the needle exchange is here, there's a 2012 study published in the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence Comparing San Francisco, a city with needle exchange to Miami, a city without needle exchanges and more than eight times as many syringes were found on the streets of Miami because, and drug users were just throwing the needles everywhere compared to San Francisco. We got a couple more slides I did want to cover just to touch on these because this is the naloxone kit that you will have available on Thursday. So that is what we give to folks for free. We just train you how to use it. To prevent an overdose. To prevent an overdose. Or to help prevent. Or to help prevent an opioid overdose. It's an opioid overdose reversal drug. Okay, and we got another couple slides here, which is the pros of needle exchange. We'll just quickly read on these. There's lower numbers of contaminated needles in the community. Reduced drug related behavior. Reduced sexual risk behavior. Increased access to drug treatment referral services. Increased access to testing and diagnostic services. Increased access to education, substance abuse and increased communication with hard to reach population. And reducing the prevalence of new infections. A lot of people will say, this is immoral to do this. We're not going to give them the time of error today. They can Google that and decide that this isn't, okay. But we've got a couple more slides on here. Because this is international overdose awareness. Let's call it weak. But you can see the number of deaths per 100,000 went from three in this nation to about 14 per 100,000 just in the span of 20 years, which is incredible. That's opioid deaths alone. This is not the other overdoses. But we've got another slide that does talk to us about the other overdoses. We have alcohol overdose, which is a major, probably the major drug in our society that happens. For sure, alcohol is the drug of choice here. Much more people are drinking alcohol than using opioids. And in the toxic levels. Depressant overdoses, you mentioned were things like. Benzodazepine, other types of sleeping pills that aren't opiates. Sleeping pills. And opioids are heroin. Oxycontin. Oxycontin. Basic methadone, anything that's opiate derived from the poppy plant. And psychoactive, we won't get in too much in that. And stimulant overdose is the methamphetamine, crystal meth, ice. But, and you said also earlier when we were talking, the alcohol and the depressants. So people taking alcohol and then maybe shooting up. So mixing alcohol or other depressants with an opiate is one of the main ways people can overdose. Heroin and other opiates are already depressants. And so if you just, if you add more depressants into the mix in your body, your heart rate, your breathing goes down. So it's a, you know, we really recommend to folks not to mix those things if possible. Don't mix it. And we've got one final slide, if we can come up with there is that here it is. Time to remember, time to act.  And because this is affecting all members of our community. We have a lot of work to do here, but it sounds like Hawaii has a model program and with wonderful people like you that are in charge of this thing and all of the wonderful co-workers that you have who are right on the front lines of our society. I think you personally for the work that you do, it's so important, so critical. Thank you, thank you. And I really just respect your career choice and the choice of the great people that you work with at the Hawaii Health and Harm Reduction Center. Thank you so much. Unfortunately, we are out of time. Will you come back again and maybe we can talk some more on this? I would love to. Okay, that would be my great pleasure because you are inspiring to me and a lot of people that are out there today. So they can go to hhhrc.org for more information. Yes, and we'd love it if they came to our event on Thursday, August 29th, 11.30 to 2 p.m. at Harris United Methodist Church. Okay, and that's on Niuwano and Vineyard roughly. Well, sadly, this is another wind-up of out and about. We have been talking with Leilani Maxara, the overdose prevention manager from Hawaii Health and Harm Reduction Center and the very great work that they do for our community. Thank you again, Leilani. I look forward to you coming back. We thank you, our guest, for tuning in every week and we welcome your feedback. Thanks to our broadcast engineer who wore many hats today, Mr. Robert McLean and our executive producer, Jay Fidel, who puts it all together. I'll see you every other Monday here on Out and About. Be well, be happy, get involved with your community. Aloha.


So, Caboose is a thick client that we've written over the last couple of months for Saturn as part of Project RIA. And so this is going to be relatively quick, but I'll talk a little bit about where that fits in and the point, what we get out of doing this and why we need a thick client. So let me first give a basic view of what's going on in Caboose. Caboose has two big data structures. One is it has a pool of the nearby Saturn nodes that it wants to send requests to. And it keeps those sort of logically arranged in a stable hash. So based on what CID you're asking for, that hash is somewhere into something that looks sort of like a DHT and chooses one of the nearby Saturn L1s to send the request to. And the reason that you use stable hashing there is that it really improves your cache affinity, that a node is getting sort of a limited space of CIDs that it is responsible for. And as a result, that node then can do better in having a warm cache for those. And then the other data structure that we keep is sort of a pool of other nodes that we'll sort of swap in if one of these nodes starts being bad. So we've got sort of the fallback set of Saturn L1s. And then what Caboose is doing is as it's getting requests, it's sending a small fraction of those to it's mirroring them and sending a copy to sort of these other pending nodes to get a sense of, are they working right? Are they fast or should it swap one of those in because they're doing better than the current ones. So what are we doing here? We've got, you know, on the normal CDN, you'd use DNS generally to talk to your CDN. But DNS is centrally controlled, right? So someone has to run that DNS that DNS has someone's name on it. And if we're really building a decentralized CDN, we ideally don't have, you know, a single entity that can turn off DNS. And so if you imagine that future in a year or something, we would have, we can, we can register the Saturn nodes through a smart contract and on-chain and in a decentralized way. But you've got to then have a client that finds who's registered and sends the request there. And so as long as you've got, you know, a thicker software stack, be that a JavaScript service worker or Caboose for GoLine clients, you can actually go out and pull and find the set of active nodes near them in a way that is decentralized and that is resilient. The other, and so we want to provide for one layer of abstraction beyond just a direct list. And that's what it does. DNS also has a bunch of caching things that aren't what you're going to want if you're running something that's really a, you know, doing a lot of traffic and doing a lot of requests. Right. If we're running things like the IPFS.io gateway where we're sending hundreds and thousands of requests per second, it's sort of unacceptable to wait for the minute long DNS time out before we fall over to another working Saturn node. So we want to be able to be much more responsive to node failures. And the way that we can do that is by having that active pull and active management in the client software to quickly notice a notice and responding and start redirecting the request that would have gone to it somewhere else. And so custom software there can do better than just a standard change in the client. I guess the other one is that DNS doesn't always get you the fastest nodes, right? It gives you who the DNS server is thinking is probably in your region. But based on doing sort of these active measurement things, which is on each request, we're looking at how fast it comes back and using that to understand what our actual latency is to these Saturn nodes. We can have a much more realistic ranking of which nodes are performing well for us. And we also by having the fit client get to do a couple of additional things that are really useful for SAP. One is this mirroring to find other nodes. That's active software, right? That's doing that. But the other one that we can do is an amount of challenge and verification of Saturn itself. So we can send challenges for SIDS that we know are unique. And then we can make sure that we get them. And that they're, you know, don't show up also back in the logs of some other Saturn L1 or in the gateway. And so there's types of misbehavior that we can detect and then remove nodes from misbehaving as a result of that. So by having this client software, we get sort of the validation in both directions with logging for payments with making sure that nodes are behaving correctly. And then also we can get better performance. So that's that's the thick client that is caboose for Saturn. Thanks hugely to Arsh and the rest of the Saturn team and then also for everyone involved in Bifrost Gateway for the integration and working with us on the design of caboose. We expect to launch it with RIA relatively certainly. So it will become another part of the interplanetary stack. All right, I think that's what I've got.


However, however, we do have an opportunity now to listen to members and their specific member statement. And because I noticed the member from the official opposition, the member from Beaches East York, the floor is yours for your member statement. Thank you, Speaker. In Beaches East York, Metrolinx is about to begin a project in the beloved smalls creek ravine to widen a culvert and prepare the tracks for expansion with a fourth rail and electrification. But if the preparatory project goes ahead as planned, it will result in the clear cutting of half the ravine, the removal of 268 trees in the destruction of a much used community walkway. The smalls creek community group made up of neighbors who are homeowners and renters and who include architects, engineers, lawyers, landscape engineers, hydrologists and planners is asking Metrolinx to make sure they get it right before they destroy the ravine's ecosystem. Everyone in the smalls creek group wants transit to move ahead quickly. They want the fourth rail, they want electrification, but they have serious concerns with Metrolinx's current approach. They have done their research and found alternative engineering and ecological solutions. They believe it's possible to prepare for the necessary transit without clear cutting half the ravine. They're asking Metrolinx to pause the clear cutting, take the smalls creek groups, alternative solutions seriously and make sure the project is done right. None of this will affect the timing of the construction of transit. I stand with the smalls creek group in asking Metrolinx for the pause and I am asking the Minister of Transportation to stand with us in asking Metrolinx to pause to make sure they get it right. The future of eco-friendly transit will thank you. Thanks very much. A thank to member from beaches east of York for your member statement, further member statement. I recognize a member from Burlington. Thank you so much speaker. As Canadians woke up this morning, 57 countries were ahead of us in the vaccine race. To date, Canada has ministered just over 2 million doses with 3.86% of Canadians receiving at least one dose. Ontario has given 727,021 doses with 264,896 people fully vaccinated. On both these measures, Ontario is leading the country speaker. In Holton, 28,622 people have received a shot. That's 4.85% of our population. Speaker, in January and February, despite Canada wide supply shortages, Holton region continued to receive our fair share. The last thing we want is freezers in Holton region or anywhere else full of unused vaccines. We need shots in people's arms. I know health drilled Sherry Levy Abraham was at Bethany residents when seniors received their first dose January 26 and their second dose on Valentine's Day. They even created a video to celebrate. Speaker, medical experts not MPPs determine how Ontario's vaccine supply is distributed across the province. And that's how it should be. This week, Holton region will receive 7,070 Pfizer doses and another 7,020 the week of March 15. This is great news. We all have the same goal, Speaker, to put COVID-19 behind us. Thank you. Thank you very much. For the member statement, the member from Ottawa Center. Thank you, Speaker. Next Monday is International Women's Day. And one of the events that we're very proud to organize back home from the MPP office in Ottawa Center is a round table on safe workplaces for political staff, Speaker. Back in November, I put forward a motion in this chamber asking the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing, asking the Attorney General to empower municipalities with the tools to remove Councillors who were proven to engage in serious acts of misconduct. The whole country knows about the saga of Councillor Rick Shirelli back home, Speaker, and our round table is going to feature survivors of Councillor Shirelli's office. It will also feature experts who will tell us what changes legislatively need to be made to keep people safe in political office. I've heard friends in government and I've heard others say politicians need to be held to a higher standard. I totally agree. But what unfortunately has happened to date is the Minister of Municipal Affairs and Housing has written the Mayor of Ottawa who's asked for these powers and said, I'm sorry, I'm uncomfortable with giving myself the power to remove a city Councillor. Speaker, through you. The Minister was never asked for that. The city right now wants the power to take action against a Councillor who is known to be a predator to women in his office. It is 2021, Speaker. We need to make sure this never happens again. We need to make sure political officers are safe. And I invite all folks watching this to tune into our round table to participate, share your thoughts with us. We must do better in Ontario. Thank you very much. Further member statement, the member from Perth, Wellington. Thank you, Speaker. Speaker, last spring many were devastated when the Stratford Festival announced it would postpone the season because of the pandemic. Scores of constituents wrote me supporting the festival. In June, I hand delivered the letters and petitions to the Premier and Minister McLeod. It was an uncertain time, but we spoke up because the future of this Canadian cultural icon was at stake. We spoke up for those who work at the festival and those who depend on it. Many suddenly found themselves out of a job. Our local small businesses, especially those with tourism and hospitality are still struggling. Some had to close shop. After all, the Stratford Festival is responsible for generating about $135 million in economic activity every year, except last year. This year will be different because this year the show will go on. The festival recently announced it will return to the stage with live performances in an outdoor setting. It's wonderful news. And then just yesterday, our government announced we're supporting the festival to the tune of $1.8 million. We're also supporting Stratford Summer Music with over $42,000. This will go a long way to help them survive COVID-19. And it will help people whose livelihoods depend on their success. I want to thank Premier Ford and Minister McLeod for recognizing the value of these institutions. I also want to recognize the festival's executive director, Anita Gaffney, and artistic director, Anthony Cimolini and their team. And I also want to mention Kendra Frye, the new general manager of Stratford Summer Music and her predecessor, Judy Matheson. All of us can be proud of your organizations, but you can be proud of your contributions to the artistic excellence right here in Ontario. Thank you. Thank you very much. The next member's statement, the member for London West. Thank you very much, Speaker. I rise today on behalf of the people of London West to share some of the emails I have received about this government's sluggish and sloppy vaccine rollout. Quote, I still find this entire rollout extremely frustrating and inequitable. It is without a doubt those seniors who do not have an advocate to assist them who will fall through the cracks and be left alone. Here's another. We need vaccines soon so we can visit our disabled daughter in her home. When will we ever get the vaccine so our daughter stays COVID-19 free? We are both over 80 years. And this one, I am an over 80-year-old woman who has daily home care. There has been no communication about my receiving the vaccine nor have my caregivers received any confirmation about when they will receive the vaccine. And this one, my mother is extremely high risk as she has diabetes and high blood pressure. At 89, it is even difficult for her to access the booking system. Are we getting seniors' hopes up when the reality is there is no vaccine, but for a lucky few who win the telephone lottery? Speaker, the Middlesex London Health Unit is doing its best, but Londoners are rightly frustrated by the lack of provincial leadership. Yesterday, there were over 200,000 calls in London for 5,000 appointments. As one constituent put it, being eligible for a vaccine does not equal having access to a vaccine. Thank you, Speaker. The next member's statement. The member for Sarnia-Lambton. Thank you, Speaker. And it's my privilege to rise today and share more good news with the people of Sarnia-Lambton with this House. Over the years, we know there's been an increase in student mental health issues at our college and universities in Ontario. Even at the best of times, post-secondary education can be difficult for students. Recently, the added stress and uncertainty associated with COVID-19 pandemic has only increased the strain on student mental health. That is why today I'm pleased to announce that the Ontario government is investing $315,000 in Lambton College to help increase access to mental health and addiction services for its students. This is critical, timely investment for the students of Lambton College. Having mental health supports in place for when students need those most is key to helping students succeed, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic. This funding is a piece of the province's total investment of over 26 million in mental health supports for post-secondary students in 2020 and 2021. Providing mental health supports for post-secondary students in this department, Ontario's roadmap to wellness. The government's plan to build a connecting and comprehensive mental health and addiction system that ensures children, youth, and adults in Ontario receive appropriate services where and when they need them. Mr. Speaker, this is truly important news for the students and the families of Lambton College. Thank you. The next statement, the member for Timmons. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. In the city of Timmons, I've been receiving in our office a number of calls in regards to the wait times in order to get into life labs. You're having to wait three weeks in order to get blood work and various tests done. And once you do end up at the life labs office, it's a fairly long wait. And that has been really difficult on seniors specifically and those are not doing so well in our field. Well, the good news is I've had conversations with life labs. I want to thank them that we've managed to come to some sort of a way forward that might be able to speed things up. They have and have agreed and will do the allowing of blood tests and various tests to be done at doctors' offices, to be done at health clinics, to be done at family health teams, be done by home care workers provided that all of these people are qualified to do so, and any other type clinic that is equipped for being able to draw blood. All they need to do is to get a hold of life labs. Life labs will make the arrangements to get the paraphernalia that you need in order to do the various tests at the doctor's office, whoever it is, and that will greatly assist to be able to lower the demand that we have currently in our labs in order to get blood tests. We all know that COVID has brought a new reality to the world and I was glad to be able to work with life labs. And hopefully we can make this happen. It'll be a way of being able to reduce the wait times for the citizens that we all represent. Thank you. Member Statements, the member for Orleana. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to bring awareness to an important contaminant that has become a problem in Orleans and communities across Ontario. Radon is a cancer-causing gas that naturally occurs in our environment. But when trapped indoors and at high levels, it can be incredibly dangerous and cause innumerable health issues. Radon gas is the leading cause of lung cancer among non-smokers and is responsible for approximately 16% of lung cancer deaths in Canada. Some level of radon can be found in most homes and as more people are staying home due to COVID-19, this problem has only grown. Preliminary research indicates that a 35% jump in residential radon exposure from March of 2020. Radon is a colorless and odorless gas, so testing is the only way to know if radon levels are elevated and if remediation is required. In Orleans, there are neighborhoods where dozens of new homes have high levels of radon putting residents at risk. Radon control measures and radon roughing systems have been included in the National Building Code. Unfortunately, in Ontario, the current provincial code only contains limited provisions. Moreover, the province doesn't require radon testing in schools, daycares, hospitals, or other public buildings. Mr. Speaker, the government must do more to address radon in new home construction and in public buildings. They can begin by making radon mitigation mandatory as part of new home construction, mandatory testing in public buildings, and raising awareness of the dangers of radon with Ontarians. I encourage all Ontarians to visit takeactiononradon.ca for more information. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Member Statements, the member for Haldeman Norfolk. Thank you. Thank you, Speaker. Imperial Oil's refinery at the Nantico Industrial Park, formerly Texaco, is a key anchor in our Haldeman Norfolk industrial economy. Since the early 1980s, our area's refinery is provided around 300 full-time jobs in addition to a daily average of 200 contractor positions. About 25% of the petroleum products used in Ontario go through a supply chain, including Imperial Nantico by rail, road, water, and, of course, pipeline. Products including diesel, gasoline, aviation fuel, asphalt, heavy oil, and home heating oil. The Line 5 pipeline running through the states of Mackinaw, coming in from the west, is crucial for our refineries operation and crucial for the operation of the economy in Ontario and Quebec, as well as Ohio, Pennsylvania, and certainly Michigan itself. If the governor of Michigan was successful in shutting down Line 5, it would jeopardize 65% of the propane going to Michigan's upper peninsula and 55% of the protein requirements across the state. The shutdown would put at risk half the jet fuel supply to Detroit Metro Airport. The governor would know that Michigan is Ontario's largest export market and the largest source of imports into our province, totaling $82.3 billion in two-way trade. We're friends, we're neighbors, we're allies, we have a great and close working relationship, and we hope that continues, as well as the flow of product through this pipeline. Thank you, Speaker. Thank you, Member Statements, the Member for Brantford-Brant. Thank you, Speaker. It's my pleasure to rise in the house today to speak about an amazing program in my writing of Brantford-Brant. Skeptor, seniors and kids' intergenerational programs first began in 2004 by sending a classroom of students to visit seniors at a local retirement home. In September 2005, they had 22 classes signed up to visit seniors in nine seniors' facilities. Now, seeing the new challenges brought on by COVID-19 pandemic and realizing that there is a need for all seniors, not just those who are living in retirement home, Skept has worked tirelessly to keep all seniors connected to our community. Recently, Skept was a recipient of the Ontario Trillium Fund Communities Grant. With this new funding, they have shifted their focus to a new initiative called BuzzMe. BuzzMe connects seniors with a live volunteer between the hours of 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. Monday through Friday. In an effort to combat social isolation, seniors can stay up to date about what's happening in the community or simply enjoy a pleasant conversation with one of our dedicated volunteers. This line of communication is not a crisis line, but a friendly, kind and welcoming voice on the other end of the phone. I would like to thank Liz Marchorano, co-founder of Skept and her team of volunteers for working so hard to connect the seniors to Brampton and Brant with a friendly voice to reach out to. Thank you, Speaker. Thank you. That's it for our member statements this morning. Member for Brampton Center has a point of order, I believe. Good morning, Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to immediately pass Private Member's Motion 141, calling on the Ford government to mandate paid sick days to better help protect the workers of Brampton in the fight against COVID-19. Here, here. The member for Brampton Center is seeking the unanimous consent of the House to immediately pass Private Member's Motion 141, calling on the government to mandate paid sick days to better help protect the workers of Brampton in the fight against COVID-19. Agreed? I heard an O.


Do you want to do a wee bit of singing now when you're on the radio? No, I need another wee while to get the vocal cords warmed up. Kavir, tell us, we're out and about for Christmas. It's Christmas weekend, we're giving away presents. Tell us where you're at and what you're doing today then. Yeah, it is the start of a big week here on Highland Radio. Out and about live on this cold, wet and windy Monday morning. I'm live here at the Dry Out Complex here in Nettar County just beside the Clannery Hotel. And we do have a Highland Radio goodie bag to be won this morning. It has some great Highland Radio prizes. It also has a 50-year voucher for the Dry Out Complex here in Nettar County. And it also has a 50-year voucher as well for a bookmark also in Nettar County. So yeah, as I said, it's the start of a great week. We're going to get loads of different days. Right throughout this week, we're going to be heading west. We're going to be heading north. I'm not going to tell you where we're going to be heading tomorrow but Sean Quinn has told me, I have to set my alarm clock. Extra early tomorrow to get up good and early and to be ready to go. Dude, so yeah, to win those great Highland Radio goodie bags today, all you have to do is simply the first person that comes running up to me and says, I love the naughty alarm clock. Well, they win that their voucher, as I said, which contains, or that their prize, which contains the voucher for the Dry Out Complex and also for a bookmark in Nettar County. We have loads as well coming up this week. Of course, we are going to have our open day as well. That's happening this week. Looking forward to seeing some of the people that do text them to all the various programs on Highland Radio. We're finally going to get to meet them after a long, basically two years and get a chance to have a cup of tea and a coffee and a wee chat as well. And also, Lee, it's going to be a big day as well to pride of the 23rd because it is our car draw. Someone is going to drive into 2023 in a brand new Nessanjuk worth over 30,000 Euro thanks to our friends at IAM Motors. And not just that because we also have got three 1,000 Euro cash prices as well to be one. And we always told me, you're going to be giving away a thousand Euro on the Naughty Alarm Clock. I've also been told as well that John Bresson, here's a man who loves the Naughty Alarm Clock. How are you? Hi, Sengs. What's your name? I'm Liam Woodall. Liam, you look like you're heading to work. I'm going to do it, but all right, I'm going to do it. Are you all started for Christmas? Oh, well, as good as it can be, you're getting there. Yes, getting there. Well, congratulations, Liam. You are the winner. He ran up to me here and said he loves the Naughty Alarm Clock. So he is the winner of that there, Goodie Bike. I said there was vouchers for the Dry Arch Complex here in Letter County and also that 50-year-old voucher for Bookmark. That's as simple as it is. We're going to be heading the road. We're going to be live on the nine-tenant show with Greg a little bit later on. I'm not going to tell you where we're headed, but all you have to do is keep your eyes peeled for the Highland Radio cars. And you never know, just as simple as that, you could win a nice voucher, a nice Goodie Bike heading into Christmas. So it's going to be a real good, exciting week for us here on the Highland Radio. Well, Kevin, thanks very much. And tell us who won that again. It was the Liam. Liam, what was Liam's surname? Liam, Liam, I actually forgot his second name. He said, just escape me here now. I'm going to run after him and get it, but he's got his prize. Shaun is also here with me as a well... Is he your Naughty Alph, is he? Is he your Naughty Alph, that Shaun Quinn boy? He is, he is the Naughty Alph here. He's got his hat and everything on him here today. He's keeping his weirs and everything warm. They're very pointy this week, I bet you. Oh, they are definitely. Come here, so there's still a couple of chances to win this morning if you pop along, is there? Yeah, there are loads of chances. That's all you have to do is literally keep your eyes peeled for the Highland Radio cars. We're going to be hitting the road now. We're going to dash back up to base, get more great prizes, and as I said, we're going to be on with Greg. We'll be on around about half past 10, and I think again, maybe around about 11 o'clock as well too. So keep your eyes peeled. As I said, you never know where we could pop up. As I said, we're heading further north of the county tomorrow. I think we're heading west then for a day. So you never know, as I said, keep your eyes peeled. Keep your eyes on the road, but keep your eyes peeled as well. But we should never know you could win some great prizes this week right here on Highland Radio. Kevin, thanks very much. And if you need a wee wake-up call in the morning, I'll give you a wee call about five o'clock. I was just thinking, maybe you might just be in the safe side. Maybe you might just give me a wee buzz. Thanks, Kevin. Maybe a big ten to five or something like that, you know?


Hi, I'm Realmer John Kirby, Chief of Information for the U.S. Navy, and I wanted to spend just a few minutes talking about the fiscal year 14 budget, which the Navy is submitting to Congress this spring. This budget does lots of stuff for us. We think it's a very practical, pragmatic budget, but I want to talk about some of the highlights. First, it's going to preserve pay and benefits for our sailors and their families, and it's going to help us grow end strength by about a thousand sailors to something over 323,000 total. What does that do for us? Well, it also helps us decrease the shortage of some of the at sea manning billets that we have out there. It's going to help us do a better job of fit and fill for the fleet. The second thing this budget is going to do is it's going to help us train you and maintain your equipment. Training and operations dollars increased just slightly through this budget. Maintenance dollars stay about the same. The bottom line is we know you need good equipment to work on, and that we need good equipment out there in the fleet, we're going to be able to maintain that equipment through this budget. Last thing it's going to do is it's going to help us build a fleet for the future. This budget alone calls for the construction of eight new ships and for the procurement of 165 new aircraft. Aircraft like the P-8, the joint strike fighter in addition to helicopters. It's also going to build up ships like the LCS and the DDG-1000 and a couple of new attack submarines. Bottom line is this budget we believe is practical, it's pragmatic, it recognizes the fiscal environment that we're living in and it's going to help us continue to meet the requirement and a requirement that is increasing, a requirement for naval forces all around the world.