e that happens, yeah. It is, it is incredible. Anyway. He's like his Kevlar weave suit. Well, funnily enough as well, we could say that John Wick 4 came out soon after we covered that as well. Hyper disappointing once again, because it's the full-on sequel itists has set in for that franchise. Oh yeah. To the point where people forget that the first one was even remotely serious. The franchise is this way and will always be this way.  It's like, I'm waiting for it to happen with Star Wars, where people will forget the OT even existed. Hopefully that never happens, because the OT is so important, culturally. Speaking of forgetting things existed, there was another film that came out, I think the same day as Shazam, 65. Anyone remember that film? Oh, we, I didn't see it, but yeah. I know you're talking about it. We've covered 65, well, we're getting there. We still gotta talk about a few other things. Wait, were you there? Yeah, a little bit too, was on the EFAP. I think you're on one. That's the only reason I remember that film. You're welcome. Yeah, don't worry, we'll get to, we'll do our best to keep chronological. We're nailing it so far, because. Yes, we're up to much, and we're three hours in. Nailing it, like I said. John Wick, I was gonna say, is a John Wick 4. There's not much to say, you know, you guys know how we feel about it. John Wick 3 and 2, it's all the same. There's more unlimited assassins, and people get excited to go after John Wick, because there's more money now, even though it's just more, a lot of money. And they're like, yeah, now we're going after them, then they all get killed. He gets run over by 17 cars, and then falls down some stairs. It's like four minutes to go up, I take seven, but still makes it. And I get shot, and this time he's dead, for realsies, for realsies. Yeah, he dies like five times in that film. And then doesn't die, because they need more films. And then he gets shot. That was a little, like, hyper cringe to me, that they didn't want to confirm a John Wick 5 until they made enough money that they were like, yes.  It's like, no, just wait a sec, and yeah, he's not dead. Because people consider it a huge spoiler to announce that he was supposed to be dead at the end of the film, but I was just like, he's not gonna die? Why would he die?  It's gonna bring him back. They almost have been gradually making more and more and more and more and more money.  They'll keep making them until they stop making money. And they'll keep getting to exist in this fun world where they get regarded as being way better than they are.    But the executives aren't gonna see it that way. It's like, where's the next one? Like, so you need to have like creators who are willing to put their foot down. They're like, no, the story's done now, okay? Yeah, like we're not doing it anymore. Like there needs to be more of that. Like creators say, no. Oh, it'd be awesome if there was, man. There really would be. Because I was actually gonna say, I worry for extraction, it would have like the same trajectory, but two has managed to maintain the serious tone for a little longer and taking things. Which is child to a child. Oh yeah, yeah. Because extraction is better consistent quality than John Wick. But I would say it has gotten more ridiculous.  I'm hoping that Chris Hemsworth can even be a guiding hand in terms of like, don't let us thaw this. Let us please. And this is a serious thing.  Because I've been to those deep, dark places. Yes.  Yeah. It's the next step after this that concerns me. Because I feel like we've gone about as big as we need to go. Yeah, the level.  The action in distraction two is phenomenal. There's a couple of times, and some people mentioned in chat, which ones they are.  Just come back to reality. We're all right. Go see extraction two, it's good. Hell yeah, easy recommendation. We didn't cover that, but we did mention very, very strong, check it out, stuff. Which yeah, I think takes us to RE4 Remake. That was awesome. Yo.  It was pretty cool. It's pretty cool. My favorite game this year, you know. Very, very ecstatically happy as long time Resident Evil 4 fan. After you play that game about a thousand times and then you play the remake, you can do a hell of a lot of appreciating about all the references and how they've changed things and updated everything. But as we said, as a stark difference to Dead Space, these two games coexist. This is two very different experiences. They're different. Yeah. I'll definitely play the original one and the original remaster. Yeah. Would you prefer, you can go ahead, Metal. I just want to say, especially the aiming works very differently. And I think I actually enjoy the one and the first one better because it's more consistent and reliable. Yes. Yeah. We had a whole rant about that. Yeah, I mean, we did a whole, I mean, you made the whole challenge thing going on, doing the two dudes, the chainsaw dudes in the beginning on super hard difficulty. So you just get all the resources and the amount of RNG you encounter in that place alone. We do the same thing over and over again. There's this one villager you can shoot.  Sometimes three, sometimes it's five. Sometimes he staggers, sometimes he doesn't. And you can't do the whole shoot him in the leg and kick him away. That doesn't work as consistently anymore. Yeah, because it's, yeah, there's a bit of RNG. Because he is so used from the original ones like shoot him in the leg, kick him away. Preferably, there's like five zombies around me or villagers. And I kick them all and it's like, yeah, and I can get free damage with my knife. But no, knives are now with, they can break and you have to repair them or find new ones. It's like, it's very different experiences and they're both fun. They're both very fun. And they're both fun. Like the Resident Evil 4 remake is good, but I feel like it's the things like that. Like there's no laser sight aiming for, it's only for like one or two guns that you can have the laser sight for, which is I think already a big misstep. And one of them is a pre-order gun, I'm pretty sure. Oh yeah, there was that, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, we had loads of conversations about like the red dot sights. And yeah, they don't, we kind of like lucky to get what we got in the original Resident Evil 4 for how consistent they make everything. Because I think a lot of games think that you don't want it to be too consistent because it's too easy to exploit. Be like, oh no, we don't want to make it so that you always know exactly when all the enemy's weaknesses show up and when they're all easy to do this that and the other thing with. And it's like, no, we actually really love that though. Yeah, that means that I'm learning the game systems and I'm improving. Like this is what you want to have happen. The fact that I'm a God at the first Resident Evil is the result of a lot of experience and time with the game and learning about the mechanics and giving a shit. And something we only realized later on is it's either pre-order the deluxe edition gives you more resources and you can't turn it off. You remember that, Mewpley? Yeah. You have more dangly bits on trees and stuff.  In the game, more resources spawn? Yes, yes.  I must have forgotten about you guys talking about that.  Yeah, it's a bit annoying. I mean, it's nice to have if you have it, but if you don't, I didn't know about this. Yeah, I've never known about that happening in a game before where in, like normally you just get like a little goodie bag at the beginning. There you go. Exactly, yeah. Or it deposits some cash into your account. You get a very good... It's not like in the game more stuff spawns. You get a very good shotgun with the deluxe addition as well. Yes, you do. Yeah, the little buddy one that takes it. There's a lot of damage. It's very, very good. But yeah, there's a lot of choices. We were like, why'd you do that? Boo, but then there was a hell of a lot of choices.  Exactly. Yeah, it's weird that they did a cool little thing with the rewards from the shooting gallery, given your character bonuses. It's like, oh, this is a cool idea.   Some that are exceptionally good that change your actual like gameplay almost. And then some that don't matter at all. Some are useless and some are broken. The pre-order shotguns laughably small too in terms of grid space. Which is super important, yeah. Changes everything. Yeah. Right, like relative to the base shotgun that you just get in the game like near the beginning, it's like way bigger. And it stays reliable for a very long time in the game as well. So it's kind of overpowered, but kind of it is overpowered. It's literally one by four, one by five. Like the fact that it's just occupies a single row is ridiculous. Well, it was really neat.  It looks great, it feels great to play. It has a lot of respect for the original game. But it's just those little things that kind of, they disappoint us because of how good the rest of it is. Definitely recommend it. But I lost this, I think I asked everybody when we did our original E-Fact, but do you prefer this or the Dead Space remake? I, man, I can't remember what I would have said back then. I can't remember what I said back then either. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I would say. I really, really enjoyed both games. I definitely love them both, yeah. I think I prefer the Dead Space remake. I want to say that myself. I think, okay. I want to agree with that sentiment. Mainly I think because of the fact of all the things we just highlighted, meanwhile the Dead Space remake, I can't remember taking issue with much. I'd have to think about things I don't like. I think our biggest complaints with it were some story and character changes. Yeah. The game's stories and characters, I think, are in general better, but there are some that just, I don't think it's quite the same. I think I would want to more frequently replay Resident Evil 4, but with Dead Space. It's like, I want to forget about it for maybe a year or two, and then go back to it and really savor the replay. Yeah, I don't really want to say which one I prefer over the other. Yeah, fair, they're both. I could totally reasonable choices. Did you, I assume you did a video on it, Protrition? On Resident Evil? No. Resident 4 Remake? I did very few videos this year. Oh my God. How could you not? I assumed, I just assumed everybody's played and loved Resident Evil 4 and thus played the remake too. What you have to understand is I checked out like the AAA Space in 2016 and kind of just never checked back in. I don't really play that many AAA games anymore, especially remakes. Yeah, I know what you mean. I heard it was good, but it's a remake and I don't have a favorable opinion towards remaking games, so. We don't generally either, but these two are legitimately really good. Surprised by them both. Really good, yeah. I would highly recommend both of these games. Yeah, and it was so wild to get them so close together too, it was just like, damn. That was strange. They make an excellent pair. Both just awesome action horror from a bygone era. And I can't wait to see if they actually remake Resident Evil 5. That would be funny. That is a landmine of a game in every way possible. Mechanics, the co-op, the meta. He has to, he has to say goodbye with saturation. Well, they won't have the voice actor anymore, right? They'll have to get the other guy. Yeah, but you don't wanna be funny to see another guy try and do the same. I think we'll be disappointed probably. Especially if they go like serious and he's like, Chris. You're like, no, no, it can't be like that. It's gonna be like, Chris. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm a volcano, Chris. Do you think they should preserve how over the top Wesker was in Resident Evil 5? Yes. Yes. I feel like it is just Wesker, you know. Absolutely. But hey, maybe like, well, it's funny that I haven't played Resident Evil 5. Like, I just really like it. It's an experience.  The end of that game is hilarious. Love it. That part of me wants to see that remastered and have that be intact. What punching a boulder into the, and then blowing him up with multiple rocket launches while he's in the world, you know. They kept a couple of the absolutely absurd camsha in the remake. So I hope they would be able to recognize the stuff that the fans absolutely want to see, you know.  I mean, the cart chase on the Resident Evil 5 remake, right? The one thing they didn't keep, that people were like, oh, was the Salazar statue? Well, not Salazar, yeah. They had one in there, but it was just a... Reference, yeah. It was just a prop in that, yeah, it wasn't, you know. But they kept, they did a really cool version of the cart ride, so that was... They did, it was really awesome. Well, I think they're actively remaking something, whether it's RE5 or Code Veronica or something. They are, they got something cooking. The sad thing is, RE5 is a bit of a gamble remaking that one. There's so many things they're gonna have to account for that's gonna make it... I don't know if I would, yeah. RE4... It knows itself to a remaster in the way that 4 does. Yeah, RE4 is so straightforward to remake compared, because 5s, you have a serious set of discussions for basically every element of whether or not you're keeping anything in that game. I don't mean that from a point of view of good or bad.  So it's gonna be, yeah, the whole Ouroboro stuff and... But Code Veronica acts sort of, like I think from a residual standpoint, like it's probably safer than we make that. What if they remade Resident Evil 1 again, but the shoulder third person? I would really like that. They already remade it, right? Are they remastered it? That's what I'm saying, we make it again, because they did the remake with the same POV. I don't think they wouldn't want to do that. I don't think they will. No, I was floating it there. I kind of want to be just maybe at this point, like I have confidence too for you to make your own. Well, I mean, I would prefer it if they made like new Resident Evil games with the over-the-shoulder thing than the first person ones. Yeah, I'd be a fan with that. Because we're going to be getting Resiable. Are we on 9 next? Yeah, 9 is next. And I want 9 to have over-the-shoulder. And give me Chris or Leon.  No, Ethan Winters, yeah.  That won't stop him. He went to the place where it's always very dark. That would be like one of the lads.  I want to play Salazar. He's like Chucky. Oh, maybe maybe it should be maybe it should be that Wesker has survived and he has to claw his way out of the volcano. And this is his spirit quest or something. Yeah, he's like Boba Fett.  Oh, he has to find a way out of hell, like. Oh, yeah, it's like a reverse Dante's Inferno. Yeah.  The point is, I got confidence in him. Like, resident village sucked.  So I'm really hoping that, you know, these guys can try something new. Well, yeah, it'd be nice. That would then take us to Mario Tetris in 65. Mario is about to say, yeah. Tetris, one of my favorite movies of the year. It's a really good movie. Really solid, easy, like, we recommend. We'll probably talk about the latter too much faster. Tetris was awesome. It was a really cool, unique movie. It's almost, it's in the pantheon, I guess, of video game re-adaptations. That was vaguely kind of a store of a historical.  No, it's not like pixels. No, it's a movie made by people who care. Don't you worry. It is a good movie with a very interesting premise that's like a historical drama, kind of, not adventure, but it's an autobiography movie. Yeah, like an adventure historical drama that centered around the history of Tetris. It's a story that on its face should be like, huh, OK, because it's just how did they get the rights for Tetris for Game Boy? Like, that's basically how they get the game rights for it. But then it's like, well, no, it's a story about creativity. And the idea of that great art will invariably sort of break through any and all cultural, political bounds. Like a great experience will reach everybody universally. And that it's important that the people who create these things get the attention and credit they deserve. Yeah, behind the games that are iconic. Yeah, it's really cool as a way of and then having that frame through just what on its face would seem like a pretty boring story, but it's made very entertaining and interesting through like its structure and a lot of the gags and jokes that it injects in there. It's a really fun movie. It's really good. That's like an easy recommend. One of my favorite movies of the year. Yeah, yeah. And to easy what you guys are saying, I feel like the term video game adaptation, you can't really map on to that movie because I feel like I didn't throw up a little when you said that. But what? Why we've had good video game adaptations. I know that's why I didn't throw up all the way. We're cleansing ourselves. Tetris, Tetris, Tetris, Tetris, Tetris, Tetris helps the fight. OK. And then a movie gets made about that story. But Tetris doesn't really have a story, except for some Tetris like games on the end. Yeah, you played all the visions super Tetris seven sixty three alien pieces that are coming to clear our lights. That's why rags referencing pixels is accurate. Like they could have done that. They could have made a really cringe like, oh, the Tetris aliens are coming to get us out of Sandler. But that's what they do. They would do it. It's now I'm just thinking about the joke from Futurama building that building in Tetris. Like, no, wait, don't put that there. Drops the light and clears four players.  Oh, yeah, that's really funny. You could see them making a movie like that. It'd be like, oh, well, that would be OK, because that was really funny. But then pixels. I was about to say, yeah, I'm also going for the pixel side of things. But yeah, the reason I bring all of that up is to try and dispel any sense that Tetris is anything like any of that. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You should check it out. Good movie. Don't get put off by the actual movie with characters and emotion in the story. To be honest, I would expect it to not have done that well in terms of engagement, probably, unfortunately. I think it's just a hard tell, you know, like how do you convey what a Tetris movie is? Because I think if you say to somebody, yeah, it's a Tetris movie. I don't even know where they would begin, like where their mind would first go to it, what that means. Tetris is not even possible. And I think it would be pretty far down the line of it's like the origin story of Tetris. That's what it is, the game in real life. It's like the oregano story. And I'm like, what, what do you mean? And 65 was awful. Sixty five. I forgot that we watched sixty five Adam Driver. We'll take long to talk about it. It was like one of the most forgettable and shittiest awful movies ever. Never. No, I remember about that movie. It sucked totally. What? Me seeing the trailer last year when I was over here. That's that's all I've seen of that movie. It was just Adam Driver was going to fight dinosaurs. He's like, OK, and then you watch and you're like, wow. Is it like procedurally generated dinosaurs that stick the head of a T-Rex on the body of whatever the fuck. And that's a dinosaur. They can't even be bothered to pick up like some kid's book and have an actual dinosaur in the film at any point. No, it's books, children's books have better stories than sixty five. Oh, yeah. You know, what's wacky is the girl in that film plays young Ahsoka in that episode of Ahsoka and she's in the Bobby movie. She's a couple of things. Oh, I'm pretty sure that's the same girl. OK, so she's been in nothing good. I mean, I haven't checked a hole. I have to be, you know, but she's yeah.  She she popped up in all those things at once because yeah, sixty five is really hard to even tell you what happened in the film. I've forgotten the vast majority. Adam Driver is delivering colonists to a faraway land in space. And inexplicably, he hits an asteroid field and crashes on the dinosaur infested. And then they make sure they let you know, sixty five million years ago. Mordor and it just kept going. They kept adding more text like they did. The people who like this movie can't read. I don't know why they bothered. Nobody liked it. Come on. There wasn't even one guy. Not it. Yeah, I know. And like the Adam Driver for price is not even going to talk about this movie. Was it in cinemas or was it a Netflix thing? I think briefly and failed at the box office. Daniel. Yeah. On on Tetris, it's a really fun watch. If like, if you know stuff about like video game history, like. Nice segue. Because yeah, sorry. I know we kind of moved on. But like, no, it feels like we're talking about Tetris and sixty five and kind of a lump here. So I was like, it's all good on Tetris is a lump. It's a lump on my brain. But there's there's a scene in in Tetris where he goes to Nintendo to talk about like putting it on the NES. And it's like through the discussion, one of them is like, well, Nintendo doesn't have a handheld yet. And a guy is like, follow me.  Like I just I love that this is being turned into a movie the development of something like this, like the original Game Boy. You know, I think it made a lot of sense for people who are not that familiar with video game history.  So it's not obviously like falling blocks. It's the story of the history of a video game and that like to normies or like normal people didn't play many games. Like that's not the best sell. But actually, yeah, if you watch the film, even if you don't know anything about the history of the thing, the point of the film is in part to inform you of history.  So it's what it goes back to the thing we've mentioned a lot on EFAP. If you have your characters in a story, treat things seriously, then I as an audience member am like, oh, this is the thing to be taken seriously. Yes, no matter how cool you think you are as a writer, OK, it's fine. Just press press press, which would then take us to talking about a big moment in culture for film and gaming. The Mario movie.  Oh, really? Yeah, it's worth it's worth looking. It's worth watching. Well, I was watching it, but that I saw it wasn't out on Netflix, but I was too lazy to turn my VPN on and then I went to bed. I feel frequently compelled to keep mentioning that there could have been a better Mario movie than this. I feel compelled to keep mentioning that. I feel compelled to have to take everyone has or. No, no, no, but just to like emphasize like, don't just be like super. Well, no, it's just when when you say like, oh, yeah, no, I'd really recommend it's like the big asterisk there is like, man, but, you know, if it wasn't like Illumination or something, if it was like, yeah, it could have been it could have been better. Yeah, the opportunity costs on the Mario are horrific, but I still think what we got was decent. It could have been worse. Yeah, that's that's that's not like the other thing to add to. Yeah, I feel like that's the more radical point of view is that ever would have thought this would just be absolute shit surely, or at least like, but we were relatively surprised. They managed to get a couple of things in there that we especially Illumination.  But, you know, the yeah, the nature of the was working against it, the nature of the investment in trying to keep it somewhat in a particular way from Nintendo or whoever else.  Yeah, I mean, I was surprised in a decent amount. I guess the thing is, is that it's an easy film to point to of it. It hits a lot of the standard beats of Mario's going on like his sort of hero's journey and his brother is in danger and he's going to go rescue him and both of them realize that they're better working together, that they both complement each other and they can lead each other for support. And it's the Mario brothers, you know, and their bros and they're going to they're going to save the Mushroom Kingdom and become the heroes that they know that they can be, but the world doesn't expect them to be. It's pretty straightforward. But it's like it's it's incredibly safe film. Yes. And it strove to be safe and it succeeded in being safe. Great. And for that reason that it wasn't particularly objectionable. Like I think I've as much coming away thinking, yeah, I would have really liked it to have been a bit more than that. But at least it hit the basics and it did a possible job. And like you said, there are some jokes in the work and some of the references. They're not just shoehorned in a lot of them are. But not all of them are just shoehorned. I will I will say I've never understood the criticism that the film got for like Easter eggs. That never made any sense to me. Like an R-wing sitting on Mario's TV. What does that like? How does that negatively affect the movie at all that I can see an R-wing on there? Or I can see the dot com logo in the background. Or I don't know, you know, what was the criticism that there was too much? Oh, people would say they were not related. They were like, oh, they're so they're more interested in making a film filled with Easter eggs and making a film. And it's like that's just I don't even understand like the nature of that argument. If you're like a normie who doesn't recognize any of these references, you're not going to be like they're not going to buck with your experience of the film. No, you're just going to see things and you're just going to gloss over them. Whereas somebody who knows, be like, oh, yeah, I know that. Yeah, I recognize that. That's cool. And it's neat because there's a lot of there's like a lot of and that's a lot of them are not references to. There are a lot of deep war references that I really appreciate. Well, honey, I'm research. I would format a criticism in the opposite direction that the for not having more confidence in themselves in the content that they're using being Mario, they ended up cutting out original soundtrack pieces and in favor of like more mainstream pop songs, which sucked. The soundtrack was on the most disappointing things about it. Yeah, they have all the brilliant music that you could have picked from. Yeah. Why did you have to do that? Yeah, that was real lame. And the songs they made was really good. But they had a lot of cool remixes. You know, they had they had they had cool remixes spanning across all of Mario's history all the way from like Super Mario Brothers Mario Kart 8. Yeah, it was cool.  I want to hear Rainbow Road. Well, they did play the Rainbow Road. I want to they did want to hear original tracks.  I want to hear remakes of the tracks I like, but not not take on me. I hear that seven times a day. Anyway, I don't need to hear it. You know, it's a great song. I know I'm fine. I got it. Well, it's just Mario has such a diverse array of tracks again, spanning across many because like Mario's had lots of genre changes like just with each like generation, Super Mario Galaxy is hyper orchestral. And then when they moved into like 3D World of Mario Kart 8, you have like big band Jazz Jazz Fusion. Like there's a there's a whole bunch of variety in terms of the music that's been created for Mario games that basically like any tone that you could want for any given scene, there'll be like a there'll be a song that you can pick from Mario that you can use will work.  Yeah. Well, and I thought the reality was that they did have that. And then they switched them out. That's why it was even more clunky happen. Yeah, they had they had orchestra for everything, but then they decided because I remember, um, yeah, like because you look at the soundtrack and it's like, oh, yeah, that wasn't in there.  Like you made it and then you got rid of it. Why? Because that's what you're meant to do when you make these movies. You've got to throw in some pop songs. We can't expect Mario to sell. We have to expect Mario to go around there. It might actually be like some kind of bean counting statistic of we'll get an extra one percent of the money overall if we put in the pop songs. Maybe. But I mean, it just seems because this is like this, I believe a second highest grossing film of the year, highest grossing video game adaptation ever by a considerable margin. Like it made more than twice as much money as Sonic 2. One of the most successful animated films of all time. Biggest opening for an animated film of all time. And it's Mario animated. It's a film. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a film that we'll be able to look back after many years and be like, this is what changed a lot of things moving forward. A lot of projects are going to come from this now. Yeah, that's sort of my concern about it, though, I guess, which is. Yeah, yeah, it's such a safe film made so much money. Are they going to make every subsequent NCU film as safe as they possibly can? Like probably be as unimaginative when it comes to Zelda, for example. Well, I got to say, that's going to be much worse. I think I'm really, I'm really, really, really. I'm basically it's kind of funny because I have the same thing happened with this film where I was expecting that I wasn't going to like it. And then I came out of it kind of liking it. I think the Zelda movie, I'm way less optimistic.  Like I just it's it's over. How does this guy get to write? I think what I'm what's really disappointing to me is that I don't see any reason at all why Zelda couldn't be a 3D animated film or a 2D animated film. Like why wouldn't you do it? I mean, look at the art style that's been present at this point in Zelda for the last like 15 years, the style in like Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. And when you have a mini short like Pixar beforehand that has the Wind Waker style, you know, I just I would if you if I could make a Zelda movie, which I probably wouldn't want to take on that task because like I'm not as big as all the fan at all compared to like Mario. I'd have to take it out of that. Fuck, I would. Well, yeah, that'd be that. I didn't have to jump on the ground.  I'd say, come on, animated. Fuck, obviously, anime, obviously, obviously, yeah, pretty much. But I imagine that wasn't even entertain.  They're they're people, essentially, they've got like the big elf fears, but they're they're human characters that are. I don't know, elves being people is not an opinion that is shared by everyone and the point being they probably were like, there was probably never any world where it wasn't going to be live action in much the same way that there probably was never a world where Mario didn't have celebrity voices. Yeah, it's strange when they can say if you look at the amount of praise that's heaped on something like that across the spider verse and the spider verse films more broadly, which for all of their narrative falls, the art style is is always uniformly like recognized as quite distinctive one thing, but it's generally well liked and well loved and it doesn't seem to have harmed the thing that it's an animated rather than the line. Talks about bits and boots.  And I just I think that Zelda is another thing that at this point, like Breath of the Wild sort like 30 million copies. This is just another you're guaranteed to make money. So what are you afraid of? It's going to clean out what are you afraid of? You know, just like, why would you be scared at all of its prospects of not making money? You'll make money. If you can, if you made it and you had like a trailer, I could just imagine a trailer. If you opened up and it was it was like 2D or 3D animated with like these gorgeous backgrounds that look like a like a watercolor painting like that, that would instantly it's like, oh, dude, you've already won. You know, like you've already won. Everybody's got to want to see that. But oh, well, um, yeah, on the Mario movie. Anyway, it's this this feels like very much that. Yeah, from this point on would every video game adaptation is going to be like absolutely trying to be emulating the visuals and the art direction of the games that they're adapting. Yeah, it leans in super hard, fully and completely committed to being a Mario, which was always wise, because there is a preset audience ready for that exact kind of content. Yeah, I want to see Mario who looks like Mario. I want to see Donkey Kong who looks like Donkey Kong. I want to see the Mushroom Kingdom. And I want to see, you know, Peach's Castle, it looks like the castle, nice and colorful and and vibrant. And yeah, I mean, it's probably the best looking illumination film. I think it's a lot more expensive than the average illumination film. I mean, it looked it. It was it was a delight. It wasn't garish, but it was highly stylized and colorful. Yeah, I really like the way it looks. Yeah, and there's a lot of criticisms came out of it, but a lot of people seem to be praising the every like the Mario Luigi stuff. Yes, that's the best part of the film. It's it's really good. And even Seth Rowan as Donkey Kong wasn't as cringe. It was fine. No, he was fine. He's no jackpot. Seth Rowan and Donkey Kong is, you know, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Peach was kind of lame, though. She was a little bit boring. Yeah, the the sad fact of it, Peach, they did give him more character. And Jack Black is Bowser with very entertaining. He was very fun. Yeah, he's a gamer in the next game. Is this got to be Mario and Bowser have to go on a venture together to like Yoshi's Island or something. Please, yes, yes, we can be. Yes, you got to have Mario, Yoshi and Bowser going on an adventure together, a dynamic trip. Oh, and bring Luigi as well. Let them have an adventure together this time. And Peach is mysteriously missing. Yeah, look, right? He just just give her more material, give her more of a character. But yeah, I imagine they're going to keep making Mario. There's going to be a sequel.  Oh, I can't imagine the absolutely insane level of plans they have for everything Nintendo after this. Well, I got to imagine that at this point, every studio in Hollywood's like, hey, so can we get can we go like Star Fox or can we get Kirby? Can we get you know, come on.  They want video games to be too bad. I don't know, are they going to get any? That's the thing. They are poised in the worst position they've ever been in almost for potential. The thing about Nintendo is Nintendo isn't incredibly successful. I'm pretty sure it is just like one of the most valuable companies in Japan. Nintendo at this point is I think they're like more financially successful at this point than they have ever been. The switch is one of the best telling video game consoles right now. I got many, many bangers on it. The big thing Nintendo's got that they have that Sony and Microsoft struggle with is that Nintendo has like an insane attach rate for their games. Like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has sold like 60 million copies. So like everybody of everybody who owns a switch, one in two people own it compared to if you looked at like PlayStation, probably more like one in 10 or people like own any given Sony first person first party game. And that applies broadly like an every single game on the switch. Every franchise has had its best selling entry on there. Zelda's best selling entries on switch. Kirby's best selling entries on switch best selling. Yeah, best selling iterations of Mario Kart, Pikmin, Animal Crossing. I imagine that all of those are on the cards at this point. And Nintendo, the big thing that they have is that they have the power to be very selective about where they give them. Unfortunately, with Zelda, I guess they convinced them that it would be a good idea to get the guy who wrote truss to write it somehow. How does that happen? He must have dirt on someone. But the series of bats were lost. Someone or I don't know. It's Occam's razor, you know, he must. As long as Link doesn't pick up the master sword and then unfurl a little ruler from underneath the bottom of it, which points in where to go. And we're on that's that's an improvement on some of the past nonsense. Oh, well, I want to say this is what do you because what do you think is next? What do you think the next one they are announced will be after Zelda? Open Nintendo? What's the next? Yeah, what do you think is next? We talked about it before, but like, you know, Star Fox seems like it would be suitable. Safe bet. Yeah. Well, it's funny you say that because like on the video game front, Nintendo doesn't seem to do much with Star Fox, which is weird. Yeah, I think people would be chomping at the bit for it and they are. I feel like that makes it much less likely to happen, though. Right. Certainly if they've gone for Mario, because it is the most safe property you can possibly make money on and Zelda is probably the second most safe one you can probably make money. If Nintendo hasn't been putting Star Fox front and center for years at this point, it's not quite got any but say not quite. It's not getting like the same level of cultural familiarity as the preceding. So whether they would jump for that is their second or third installment in the N.C.U.I. I doubt. Oh, I'm not. Yeah, I because I feel like Kirby would be a safer bet, like financially as a prospect. Is the thing there's a couple answers to the question when you think of different priorities. It's like it will be next based on the most like engaged with a money making franchise in Nintendo. It's like that'll have a definitive answer. Well, crossing might be the next one in that case. Yeah. Animal Crossing movie. Then it's like what one would it be based on most suitable to be adapted to a film? Like, well, it'd be more like Star Fox. The thing is Metroid is oddly, even though the games themselves is like direct adaptations, doesn't make as much sense to me because of their very structure. But as an IP, like Metroid seems pretty viable. But again, I would want that to be animated, probably, and they're not going to do that. They won't know is they need to have animated and stylized because that's what people have fallen in love with. Don't change perhaps the most interesting question of us. What one do we want to see the most adapted into is the asterisk that it will be good? Yes, it will be good. Then it would be Metroid. Yeah. Am I too greedy to say Super Smash Bros? I will. That would be my question. Are we going to get the Smash Bros Avengers style crossover movie? I have to assume, yes.  I don't know what kind of pro studio collaboration you'd be able to unless they had deals where Nintendo like gets to make that call of like one studio or make it and then they get all the money. So you couldn't have live action link next to CG Mario, either. Could you really? Yeah, I don't know about that. I'm not sure. Well, to be fair, you know, even in even in the world of the games, you have many links from different styles that coexist in the world of Smash Brothers. It's timeline. Yeah, like honestly, they could maybe pull off some stuff. But yeah, whether or not, you know, what I would want to see is just all the characters taken care of well in a story that's really interesting, obviously. But, you know, to an extent, I'd rather I'd like to see every one of them get that treatment, but which one do you want the most? Like, I don't know. Tough to say. I mean, Metroid is a really strong pick. I think if you were adapting, Metroid, you might want to make I feel like Metroid and Star Fox could have a really cool crossover as well. I think so. What I want to see with like Star Fox is I'd like to have like wouldn't it be cool if you had like and it was animated, but it was still trying to emulate like so you have like the cockpit camera and you have like these really tight sort of shots of just like them whizzing by as explosions are glancing, you know, like glancing off the like the wings as they were getting into all of these crazy dog fights.  I would really like to see that, you know, like with like the top gun kind of like cinematography. Yeah, yeah, it's like it's the most immediately filmic one that comes to mind that in Metroid, I would say, you like easily make movies out of those. And we could do our light, lighthearted fun, like Pikmin stuff. What is what would be really cheery? Here's the problem, the rags. A Pikmin movie would be really cool if like you didn't have any characters talking, which is all of our interacting with Pikmin. But there's no like that, which they won't do. They got it. Chris Pratt will be the voice of all of our the all of our. Yeah, Chris Pratt is all of our and all the Pikmin. He's got in regard in regard to Super Smash Brothers. That feels like Nintendo's Infinity War and the Mario movie to me feels like their Iron Man, where like this feels like the start of a huge thing. And so before they do a Smash Brothers thing, it would make sense for them financially to sort of pace it out with a few individual. Let me introduce you to a little company called DC. OK, Fox. Yeah. Well, they blow, they blew their load. They tried to get Mario versus like one of justice.    Right. Oh, yeah, I think so. But the fact that it was well received, it's like, you know, it's it's cash in that check for the future. Yeah. But you're right. All the prep they take to build up the universe nice and slowly make you'll make a more money in the long run. I'll probably be more profitable if they pace it out with a number of individual focus movies first. Yeah. But I think that's I think I think that's inevitably going to happen because the Zelda movies probably not coming out until 2026. They haven't announced like that they're doing the sequel to this one yet. And so that's going to take a few years to materialize. Like I think it's just going to take longer, especially given that it does seem like Nintendo was very protective of their of their IPs. I mean, whatever deal it was that they cut with illumination meant that they were like the co producers of the film. They were credited before illumination, even though illumination was like the studio that animated the film. Um, Miyamoto was executive producer. I imagine that that probably is going to hold true for other ones as well. Right. We're like major creative voices on the games will have significant input on it. And that just means it moves slower, I imagine. But hopefully it yields better results. Hopefully as long as you have a good creative voice there, tell them what they can and can't do. But that'll preserve them, protect them a little bit. You know, that'd be nice. Was it Kirby, but extraction too? Oh, you gotta have maybe, maybe you do the Meta Knight film first and it's like a really intense action movie or something. I mean, you could do that with Star Fox. I mean, there is no Star Fox to make it pretty like with maybe. I mean, F zero, if you made like a standard racing movie, right? You could when you'd love if they take some risks or at least riskier. But like a Luigi's Mansion film, they actually did that. That would be that would be really could you imagine if they made a really cool horror movie, a really, really cool horror movie?  And it's the Luigi's Mansion film that you need to see to see how he gets back out of that situation, which I'm fine with that idea. If they're good MCU, I'm kind of a I'm a little bit surprised that they haven't actually just made like a Pokemon movie, not like Detective Pikachu, but just Pokemon with the standard beats of you got a kid who wants to become like the greatest Pokemon trainer in the world.  Yeah, like you just have something with Pikachu and you get Squirtle and and Charmander and all that. I'm surprised I haven't done that yet, considering that Pokemon is one of the biggest things in the world. Yeah, because that one is not tricky because Pokemon is already a series of films that are much more closely tied to the anime. So I'm assuming there's going to be some sort of rights question that comes up. Maybe as I understand it, all of the Pokemon stuff is organized under the Pokemon company, which is like co-owned by Nintendo, but also other companies that might game or whatever. I yeah, because I'm pretty sure game freak is like they're not a subsidiary of Nintendo. I don't think like the Pokemon company is partially under Nintendo, partially, but I would just imagine it would just be as simple as the picture of just do like a standard Pokemon story. But I guess I probably want to again, make it live action instead of like 3D animated. And I guess like I like there have been many Pokemon movies already. Not like I don't want to say they're not real movies, but like, you know what I mean? That Hollywood wouldn't consider them to be real movies. Yeah, it's an amaze, so they'd be like, yeah, that doesn't count. What is that? But yeah, who knows? Who knows what will happen? I hope we start going out of a terrible video game movies already. Oh, yeah, we should. We know better than to get our hopes up. Oh, yeah, but it's always nice to speculate about a better world. Some people call that hope, you know. Hope is like the sun or if it's a dangerous thing, that's what Benedict Cumberbatch said in 1917. And maybe he was right. Maybe you're not trust to hope it's forsaken these lands. And they're just truth bomb in us. But anyway, yeah, I guess that's a big old. Oh, no, that doesn't take us to Guardians 3. Does it? Uh, I well, it depends on your film. No, well, we could talk about Zelda for a bit. I think that came out before Guardians 3. Here's a few stories. Oh, yeah, you guys have to talk about that one. I well, you finished it. I did. Well, I finished in the sense of the main story. I think I'm very far away from 100 percent because that game is chunky. It's a very chunky game.  It's a lot of things to do.  Lots of shrines do, which I think they improved over Breath of the Wild. They're much more interesting than interesting. Like Tears of the Kingdom feels like it kind of completely supplants Breath of the Wild. It does. Yeah. I don't know that I would. I think I think of you. So if you said to me, I play Tears of the Kingdom, should I pray Breath of the Wild? I'd be like, oh, fuck, I don't know. Actually, I would be too. Whereas if you haven't played any, it's like, yeah, play Breath of the Wild first and then you can play Tears of the Kingdom, you know? And that way it'll it'll sort of, yeah.  It doesn't make any sense. If you want to know more about it, do the fortune and I try to make sense of it and it doesn't. But no, it's just a really fun game to play. It's just a really solid game overall. Lots to do, a lot of little Easter eggs you can find like armor pieces that point towards Wind Waker and Majora's Mask and all the other games you can find. Stuff. Yeah, just just fun, fun game. I don't know if I'm going to return to it ever, though. I don't know if it's a game I would like to replay necessarily. I don't know.  That was fun memes.  That's what happens when you give players the ability to do whatever they want. You've seen so many great things. Meme wise, what they did to those poor, poor creatures. Can you help me get to my friend? No, you're going to space. I guess Breath of the Wild Anteas of the Kingdom is I feel like a really clear example of what happens when you have a really robust core framework and just like how much you can greatly expand that. If you give the player a like general set of tools that have a lot of like all purpose uses and you put them in a world that's a really big and dynamic sandbox where you can actually just think of creative solutions that seem intuitive and they actually work. Yeah, yeah, probably whether that be like like whether that be especially in this case of just like building these really crazy vehicles that are kind of like scuffed and silly, but they somehow managed to get the job. Yeah, I just built like a way too long bridge. It's like, I'm just going to start extending this until I get over there, even though there's other parts they want me to use.  Yeah, that's right, because I give you all of the tools that you can. I mean, it's like and I remember because I've said a lot, it was like in Breath of the Wild, the idea of essentially oh, I need to get to a cold area and that there's a few options to get there.  I feel like it was like I decided that I just wanted to keep lighting torches over and over and over again to get where I wanted to because I didn't have like the suitable clothes to do it and that that worked. But it was just like, wow, that's like really cool. As like you to, you know, think creatively and that might actually be viable. Like the crazy idea was not very crazy. But the idea of there's a core set of tools, kind of think about like how these are going to be applicable in other situations, give it a shot and see if it actually works. And a lot of the time you can find a way to sort of get around a situation that feels like it's not a way that the developers intended, but that they almost certainly knew that people are going to do. Yeah, but with that said, I'm kind of over the open world Zelda now. I wanted to do something more old school again. Focused, better done because because I always liked the dungeons. The dungeons are pretty weak still overall. They're kind of lame. I've been playing off-stream.  They're really on there. You know, it takes you like 30, 40 minutes to get them done. And I mean, it seems like the perfect, like perfect sort of setting and game type to make a proper dungeon crawling experience with an overworld that sort of connects the real experiences, which are the dungeons. Well, I imagine you're effort into that. That might if they did open world, it's got to be a totally new place. Oh, yeah, they've done a really good job of actually expanding the same area with all of like the Sky Islands and the depths and the caves and everything like that. There's a lot of new stuff to explore. But if they did another open world one, which I don't know if I want that either. I think I'd be OK with like, yeah, you did it. It's cool. I want to see what you do now with another more linear experience. But it would need to be a different open world map. I think it would need to be a totally different location, maybe somewhere we've never seen before. Yeah, I'd love a throwback style game with pixel art. That's a top down kind of game, really expansive, lots of dungeons. That would probably be really nice to see because I'm I'm not really I'm not a Zelda guy, but I played Link to the Past a lot as a kid. And I've even played because I'm one of the four people on the planet Earth. I've got a friend who has four swords for GameCube and he has four Game Boys. Oh, four Game Boy connectors that connect the Game Boys to the Game Cubes so that you could play four swords, which alternates between the GameCube on the TV and the Game Boy screen.  But that kind of thing is really fun. So a very in depth, fun throwback style Zelda game. I mean, I think that'd be a really cool thing to do. Yeah, I love that like the DS and the 3DS. But then I got what they did. They did on Switch, it was the remake of our Link's adventure. Yeah. Which one was it? It was the Game Boy one that they remade on. And they made it look like kind of a toy set, which was cool. Awake and it links away. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, because nowadays, like with Octopath Traveler and stuff of that nature, you can have the pixel style, but have the modern effects and 3D kinds of details that give it such a cool look. So something like it. Yeah, and it would be Nido, Nido Toledo. Also, while I was taking a shit, I was thinking one of the things that would be really cool, a really cool movie for not this sorry for Nintendo to do. They need to make an elite beat agents movie.  And I know it's a reference that a lot of people will get.  It was like like a rhythm, a rhythm dance game where there would be songs and the elite beat agents would come in and dance to the music to like save people from generally fairly mundane issues. But you you drag and tap and do backs and forth with the stylus. That was that was on the screen in tempo and tandem with the music. And it was really fun. And they all had suits and they need to make an elite beat agents movie. I have watched I would watch it do it.  Well, yeah, Zola's cool. But now it's about audience three, I guess. What is it? Three, the you didn't like it as much as everybody else. Yeah, that's probably a nice way to put it first. I enjoyed my first watch through, but it was still kind of like, I don't know. And then I rewatched it and I was like, no, it's pretty bad. Formatically disappointed. I'm sorry. I think that it I think very disappointing is an excellent way to describe it because pretty much everything in that movie that isn't the rocket flashbacks is very degrees of upsetting to me. A bad, honestly, I'm just like pretty bad. That's some really bad to catastrophic, honestly. If we're going to be if we're going to be real about some of the character stuff. Rock is the only person who comes out of an unscathed. Oh, Craglin. Craglin is my second favorite character if that if that kind of explains the state of that and I like the dog. Yeah, Cosmo. Yeah, it's great. There's also the the the fake out death. So many fake out deaths, which it's not the time to fake out death because we knew this was the last entry and we knew several actors are never coming back to these characters. Like, this is the time to commit to take it seriously, to send them off, to respect them.  And you're like, yeah, that is. And then they're like, they're not there. Not well, there was a one of Peter in space turning to flume. Like, we're going to say a different one. The whole thing was well, I was good. I was thinking about that one. Is our yeah. Dracks, yeah, it's quite early in the film as well, isn't it? The tracks, I thought it would be bold. It would be really bold because it's a goofy caper that's that's having all these jokes and different things happening. And then it's like, yeah, but this is serious. You're robbing from like a facility that are going to use force against you. And then if you just got outright killed and they'd be like, damn. And that we talked about this, that how much of a different kind of film it would be if you put all of this effort into saving one of your crew member and like three of them die in the process. There's something there's a lot to be said. There's a lot to be learned. The amount of weight that would put on Rocket, especially with the history that he has. And we didn't get that. We go on for. Yeah, it's it's kind of it ended up being sort of his his saving grace. But the fact Rocket really wasn't in this movie much at all. It kind of protected him from the story. Yes, he got protected from all of the crazy stuff that happened and all of the terrible decisions that the characters made a lot of drama because he got to exist in this nice comfy world where he had good drama. And then when he came back, he made good choices and everything. Remember the the huge effort we put into saving the animals in the final act. But we never really addressed all the people who died on the planet on the planet. Yeah, that was really that really upset me. That actually upset me showing all the people and that are like families and the photographs. And they're being nice and they let you borrow the car. And then they all just die and no one talks about it. It's like, oh, those were people, by the way, that they all died. They helped you insane amount of problems in that film, like the writing at every connective piece was balls. Yeah. Yeah. It is I dramatically worse than than Guardians one and two. Yeah. Yes. It has basically the rocket stuff was good. Some of the comedy works. A lot of it doesn't. It's kind of a pretty hit and miss. And great F bomb. But other than that, I don't really. Yeah, that one was really funny. Well, actually, it was hilarious. Just because my memory and what it used to be a little bit, too, what do you think of Guardians three? Much the same. You still get people who will say, oh, no, but it's like one of the better superhero films of the year. Yeah, that's largely because its decline is just slower than all the other superhero films. It's still not good. It's a marked like depreciation of just the Guardians. Right. And the way I think because I'm struggling to recall bits of the film, but it isn't the end that the whole stick is about finding sort of family coming together. And then the end is that, yeah, well, we've done that now.  It was going to go back and find it like a grandfather who's never even really been mentioned in any of the preceding films. So the family that you've been trying to build throughout this entire thing is just broken up right at the close. Yeah. And I don't really get what the point of that was. I would argue as well. Part of the frustration is that Peter did go to earth. We need to acknowledge that.  But the problem is we've thought it was for like, oh, hate.  But like always try to use everything they give you. You could still use it. You can't just pretend it didn't happen. Like, yeah, like we try to do.  So it was never meant to. That was so weird saying like, well, I destroyed his mask in two.  Why wouldn't he get another one? It's really useful. Why would he not have a like several? You figure that he'd have more than one. Honestly, it was something I thought about with them. In case something happens, even with Guardians one and two stuff. I was always like, you should probably have a couple of them. They're incredible. They take up like no space and they allow you to breathe in existent space like. Exactly. But we needed him to not have it so that we could have the fake out death and then reference the. Yeah. The the Sistine Chapel. It's like, oh, you're OK. That was just dude. The that, you know, I sometimes I'll accept like the I'm out of sync with the film and that's totally fine. But I feel like that's one of the most conflicted moments ever with a film is saying like Star Lord Peter Quill.  He's the last off and it was like struggling to pick up the music that he just can't let go of would actually like bring him down.   No, no, not only he'll be back. He will definitely be back. They even said it in big, bold letters. He will return because Chris Pratt, of course, he is. Did we discuss this at the time? Like the obvious pay off of it? Or like he has to actually just give up the music sacrifice the music just to be with his family. Yeah, except they part in the end. They have it.  But now I've got to go off on my own to rob other people of their memories. He's like, that's what she's going to do. Man, I can't believe how quickly they assassinated Mantis. That was that was horrendous. How could you ever trust being around her if she will take your memories away if ever they're too painful? Yeah, if ever she says something a little bit too harsh, it's like, oh, better, better. Convince you. Yeah, especially bad if it's my memories. Yeah, yeah. And what's his name? Adam Warlock was awful, too. Yeah, I was about to say. Why? Why? Why? Why was he in the movie? They didn't do anything with him. They were going to. They were setting him up for an obvious thing and they just didn't do it. I don't get it. Why? I don't understand. He was just sort of around when they were planning. I don't know, with his mom dying like that, I just figured they were going to do the obvious thing, which would have been fine by me. And then they just didn't. So it seemed like a really massive, significant event and he just fades into the background.  No, she did die, didn't she? Shame we didn't do anything with that. On the plus side for the film, the I was going to call him the ground inquisitor. That's not the one. The high evolutionary is that the one? He was OK. I love the actor. Well, the actor was quite good. That's the idea. And the concept was for sure that conceptually it was interesting. I don't think it started strong ish and then he just really got just the standard retardation stuff. I was just like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? And then isn't there a part in the final act where he just disappears for a significant amount of time? Because you don't get in the way because he's hyper powerful. And so it's like, yeah, we need to go for a bit. We'll bring you back when we got your payoff to come. Which is not not too great. Yeah, really like the actor. But yeah, it could have been a could have been definitely the potential for among the best MCU villains. Yes. But I think the real star was, yeah, the rocket flashbacks, which were really good.  There's a quote from James Gunn. It was like, because you see the Guardians films, Rocky is really the protagonist is like, no, he hasn't. No, obviously, Peter. I don't mind. Yes, totally. I really like Rocky. I really like Rocky. He's one of my favorite. All right. I love raccoons and he's a raccoon and he's also an interesting lad. That's right. It's one of the starter Pokemon here in Arkansas. Well, I guess because Zigzagoon kind of he's got like, kind of a raccoon on Zigzagoon.  No, I'm just saying. I like the starter Pokemon change per state as well. That's right. So the starter Pokemon in Alaska would be like a cardiac bear or something. Yeah, here you can choose between a raccoon, a possum and an armadillo. So it's, you know, you've got your options. Cool. Do you have them in Arkansas? Armadillos, yeah. They're an interesting critter, aren't they? They are.  But yeah, Rocket, I kind of hope that they don't. I don't want to. Isn't it so I remember a couple of years ago, I was like excited by the prospect of Daredevil actually getting to like participate in a full sense. Now I dread it.  Yep, there he is. Hey, don't forget Madam Web. Oh, yeah, but that's. He can't forget Madam Web. Talk about the trailer. The trailer that has destroyed a movie before it's even came out. Yeah, it's like full smoke. She what was the line? She was researching spiders in the Amazon when he died. Mother was. Yeah, she was researching. My mother was in the Amazon researching spiders when she died. Echo would leave you out of that one when I'm home. What a treat.  Oh, man, that brought me so much. Now those memes will bring me more joy than the film. And I that there's no way the film can keep up with the memes. Now you need a meme of that mole, but with Madam Web.  OK, it's just such a funny configuration of words. Yes, yeah. I was going to say, though, as a change of pace, we we went from like a lot of, you know, shitty things talking about how these these couldn't be. But then we got the boogie and wings fight. That was a huge highlight. I wasn't around for that, unfortunately, but it was fun because you would have loved watching the video I set up for us. That was that was surprisingly like yeah, people absolutely loved that coverage. And it's a boogie and what? Sorry, what was the second thing? The boogie and wings of redemption boxing match. Oh, OK, it was quite epic. They fight itself together now.  Yeah, we had a whole episode about that kind of absolutely insufferable on it.  Is Wings of Redemption a YouTuber? He's a streamer.  Oh, he doesn't make YouTube, but he used to make. He made Cole and Judy commentaries back in the day, like during the machinima days. And then he played against Syndicate. What if you won on Bog? And he broke his controller and the rest is history. That would be such a huge highlight for the podcast. I think I get Syndicate to play him again on Bog. Oh, my God, buddy. Yeah, I think I saw that boxing match. I should check that out. Oh, you should instead watch our coverage. It's glorious. It's like a whole like history of it. The fight itself is like a minute and a half. But it was it was kind of lame, but just one round. Is that I want to spoil it? I want to spoil it.  It was a fight. Yes. It was sort of a fight. It was an experience. They had 800 pounds between them. Didn't they? Yes, one ring, 800 pounds, four ring, the meme. But yeah, you know, you're so much better than the national anthem was the best part. Do you guys remember God? Yeah, did you on Gideon? That's the name of the guy. I don't know who it was. But that was what it was so awful. Props to the man for going out there and you did it. You did it. You did it. Even while everybody was going in for butchering. Never. But don't never boo someone doing their best to sing the anthem. That is an I think that is in very poor taste.   And a patriot detector. Yeah, it's an American thing. You kind of pick up when somebody you know, if you know. OK, I'll have to you guys. I have to pull you out whenever I need to know. You like, can you tell? Let me know what you know. We need to know whether or not to throw, throw rotten fruit or not. But yeah, you can't throw like cartmaning because that's a delicious and healthy snack rotten. I'm a man. I mean, that's why you have to be fighting each other. That's why you got out of that. In cartoon wars, they get tired really fast and it just becomes sad to watch really quickly. You're just they did. Honestly, that that wasn't it. Yeah, that was the problem. You'll have to like I said, you have to check it out. But you should check out our video on it because I put in all the history and you get the wonderful reactions. I have a feeling that will be in the running for like favorite thing of the year and our next anniversary. So we'll have a lot of competition, like the Boogie documentary. Wouldn't that have been for the last anniversary, though? Wouldn't that have already been? Oh, yeah, you're right. It must have. It must have scored well, then. I can't remember now. I think it did. Yeah, because you guys love you also love. He is. We had because I mean, I'm not trying to mention every single thing we did, but I was going to say the cinema wars, the first episode. We still need to do more of them. Wins vs. Sins on Doctor Strange, Multiverse of Madness. That was a particularly interesting episode. The comparison of the power of both of those channels. Yes, a very good template that I certainly hope that we do in the future. Oh, well, we've already it's going to be last wish because I think it was at Winds that came out with a last wish video about a month ago. Someone was like, oh, here we go. Interesting. Yeah. Cinema Wars is back on the menu, boys. Oh, and have the easy task of pricing a very good film. Yes, because, yes, Sins won the Multiverse of Madness battle, but it was concluded that it was it was sort of weighted in his favor because that's why I'm waiting it in the other favor this time because good luck finding a lot wrong with the last wish. Exactly. But how can I I mean, it's next. I just want to even if even if there's some other release, we should talk about first, I just got to do a burst and talk about it. This is when the wonderful, the incredible highlight of the year for video gaming history Lord of Ring Golem was released. Yes, Lord of Ring Golem. What a game. What a highlight. You don't get many of them in a lifetime even a game that can provide you such because there are there are plenty of bad games that aren't at all interesting, fun or engaging to play.  And then all the meta things about the release, the dev team, the the the apology. It's and then, of course, the memes are bad. Like the before the animations, the the mechanics, everything about the game, the fact that it was connected to Lord of the Rings. It's like, get out. Like, you know, it's been a really. Yeah, it's been rough to be a Lord of the Rings fan, getting that after Rings of Power. Oh, yeah. I mean, there was a time because I'd spoken to Wolf about Lord of Ring Golem ages ago, right? Back when it was like a flickering idea of something that might be developed. It was like, that's a strange choice to stay that way. Like, why would you make that instead of anything else you can do with the IP? And then it was like, well, what do you know? What about, you know, the things you could do with it? It's plenty you could do. Well, maybe that shows incredible artistic vision that this is really the game that they want to make. They knew it would work. I personally enjoy the return of the terrible license wear game. Oh, it feels like one of those dozen. Did they ever get this bad before, though? Did they ever get this bad? Oh, yeah, no. License wear games like the 2000s were in fact bad to be fair. There was a lot of great ones from that same era, ones that are remembered incredibly belovedly, if that's even a word. And listen, we can't all be return of a king for the Game Boy Advance. OK. Hmm. But, uh, yeah, I don't know, because I played plenty of license games. It was fun to be like, oh, I like that movie.  Could be better, could be worse, you know, that sort of thing. I almost miss that era. But this one, this game was calling it unfinished, doesn't really capture.  And like, like the gameplay we're seeing right now, that's like straight out of Prince of Persia, basically, like jumping across the pipes, like you can do some like acrobat parkour stuff with it. But of course, they totally fail. Well, John, we've got the screen up right now. This is kind of a highlight of. I can see it. Yeah. Now, now I want to see it. I want to see the goal in the little Assassin's Creed hood running around, you know, with the hidden blade. Yeah, like run it around in our minister of or something and doing stealth missions and assassinating targets. Man, considering how unfinished this game was, how was it? Mission game. OK, considering how unfinished this this game was, it was very long. It was like 20 hours. Yes. Game play. This was not a short campaign.   Those are funny. This is kind of what I was getting. I don't think I've laughed harder. Maybe ever. I think it's the funniest eFap ever was watching the gameplay stuff. I I my face hurt. I heard all over. Yeah. Obviously, my soul had as it was dead ages ago, but my body just kept going and laughing. It was insane. And towards the end, they just was like, Oh, open this door. You need to need to glory things like, OK, then you search for it.  I mean, when as is doing that part, it's hilarious.  That's not even something that comes to your mind. So at some point you randomly look up. There's like a glowing thing up there. I have a stone, maybe that wouldn't that works.  It's like if you're playing an RPG that has magic and you need to melt like an ice block to get through or something like that.  Well, we don't. Well, maybe. Well, Skyrim ain't ready to do that.  Was it that made me that almost my soul of my body. It was when it makes it makes it through it clearly. And then again, it's like, no, you're not supposed to do it that way. It just dies.  Yeah, the amount of times he completed it without taking a hit, but it just dies like I did everything you want me to do. Damn, and then to climb. No, the fact they didn't really probably implement sort of death animations instead, it was just he turns to ragdoll. So that made it especially funny, like a combiner with, of course, the man, man. It was it was a very special game. It was a very special experience. Yes, one that we will likely never, ever, ever touch, ever get our entire lives. Any of the people who played it. It's a couple of it's still that's one that you would expect. When are you going to do a drunk golems? I'm never, never. This is 20 hours, guys. So long because there wouldn't even be a one off stream, even if you would do that. It's just I don't want to touch that. It's stinky. It's one of the highlights. So I jump into a cross a chasm and then I slam my head into wall. He goes in a blood splatter on the screen and then it activates a cutscene. Yeah. Oh, only the best. There's so much to learn from it. Yeah, how not to make video games or I don't even know what to say.  Well, yeah, where they referred to the franchise as the Lord of Reg. The Lord of the Ring.  I was just Lord of Ring. Oh, we call it Lord of Rings. It's funnier. Sometimes I remember which is what someone just mentioned. There was this tablet last night that the only way this is getting played again is like if I get cancer for charity. Yeah, we said to raise money for him. Chow would be like, well, we'll pay if you play Lord of Ring Golf. We'll pay for your cancer treatment if you play Lord of Ring Golf in medals like I'll just die. It seems in the development phase, they didn't put they didn't put any thought into the mechanics of it beyond a sort of loose, like assassin's platforming sort of clone. But not not even. I mean, I don't think Assassin's Creed is a particularly deep game, but it doesn't even have the of that, like by all indication, just looking at the footage of it. So like they started making it.  I don't know.  And it's nothing works properly. It's yeah, like a normal process of game developments. You have to play through in the QA testing that have been times for months and months, if not years, where they've played builds of this game in the lead up to its release. At one point, did they know they were fucked because they just carried on going along to me. You know, it just has to be the nature of license where studios that they don't really care. A lot of them are just collecting the check.  Like I don't see any you know, menu navigation or leveling up things or like a skill tree or I don't know. Yeah, there's no ability map or like there's no. There's there's like zero depth to this game. Like beyond just like it being badly programmed. The fact that I'm in chat for Mel's clip right now, saying it doesn't work, you have to flume it. That's good advice for the game. Pretty much a lot of the stuff you do complete. You're like, oh, OK, I guess that works. But yeah, not going to forget Lord of Ring, Gollum, what an experience. That was those were streams for the ages. Yes. And then what was released soon after? Well, before the flash was in June, right? There, that's why I was going to be around for the flash. Another great landmark in the world of digitalism. Cinema, yeah. This is cinema. Truly, this is cinema. The one that assured that the DCE was absolutely finished and completely done and there would be no chance of it ever continuing. That was guessed to be low, but it was kind of like the models of people like, oh, I didn't think that low. It's like, yeah, no. And it was anticipated by one of brothers to make a lot of money and it ended up being one of the biggest bombs of all time. It lost over two hundred million dollars. I threw it on for my friends. I was like, come on, it'll be funny. It'll be like Justice League. We'll we'll have a laugh. And it was just such a drag the whole way through. And I apologize. I'm like, I'm sorry.  I'm sorry you put me through that. It is. I think it's laughable in the first like 20 minutes for that kind of format, but then you have about a stretch of an hour that's kind of air and then the rest is OK again. You have somebody there to explain Ezra Miller. That that would be part of the fun. Oh, you mean like the crimes or? Yeah, just just list them off while you're watching the movie. Yeah, but what do you mean list them off? You forget about those crimes when you watch the film. Who said that? Who was the one who said that? Was the director, right? The designer or something. Oh, yeah, OK. He said you'll forget about his crimes when you watch the movie. What? Well, they just such a great performance. Did Snyder say that? Snyder, no. OK. I think it was just some like.  Sorry. Yeah, I'm costume designer. I don't know who said it. Forget about his crimes when you watch the movie.  That's brilliant. No, no, no, it wasn't Grace. Why Randolph? No, who said it? Oh, God, was it great? I was going to say I could buy the grace at it. That grace would say that sounds like a racism. Who said it? Sounds like a racism. Oh, well, it's such a terrible movie.  It is the crimes of Ezra Mitterer are a much more entertaining story than The Flash. Well, absolutely. I think they're really into a film out of that. Well, in the story of The Flash, as it sits in a in a meta sense, is much more interesting than The Flash as well.  Oh, gross, gross.  I hate it.    I haven't learned the lesson at all. I'm going to do the same thing again because we need to somehow get George Clooney on the screen. Yeah. And I guess in this in this scenario, you got lucky that the whole world doesn't collapse in itself. Oh, something else. That means that Arnold Schwarzenegger, Mr. Freeze, is a possibility in the DCEU. Not anymore, I guess, because no, not anymore. Unless James Gunn is a genius, it's it's not. Yeah. Oh, you know, it's over. Also, I was noting before we move out of June, you got to remember Final Fantasy 16 was coming out. I had to buy it. Diablo 4 was coming out. I had to buy it. It's came out. Well, that's from the documentary. Yes, that's right. But those games did come out. And I think only metal and I played Final Fantasy 16. And none of us I quite enjoyed it. I did. Yeah, I like it. I did stop, though.   I've got my I got my phone out of it. Time to move on. That's fine. That's fine. But did anybody play Diablo 4, though? No, I haven't even looked at it. No, I got a really bad thing. I've heard many bad things, but no, I have not played it.  The only blizzard game I play a StarCraft 2. They got my money over a decade again. So they can. Oh, my God. Got him. But yeah, that's also I I think. Oh, wait, no, that's that's later. We didn't talk about a Cross the Spiderverse. No, I came out this year, too. Well, that it looks really good and was it was kind of weird. The whole no, the window was gone. That came out of that. That was we're in June and it's it's over. Well, you highlighted it for me. What did you think about it? There's no possible way to. Yeah, you guys have something to say, right? I just realized it has really good animation and art. It really is super impressive. That's true. I do really hope I do hope, though, that they actually do address that crunch problem that got talked about a bunch because that was really weird. Seeing people come out when that article came out, the same people who were saying that crunch was bad when it was visual effects guys going, oh, you know, it's just the price you've got to pay for art. That was a real. All of a sudden, we got a lot of whiplash fans in here. I'm like, OK, all right, people flip their entire position of that thing because it was a movie that they liked. But yeah, that's, you know, Pikmin 4. Did anybody play Pikmin 4? I haven't played the Pikmin game in my life. I haven't played any Pikmin games, but I played Pikmin 4 and like that was that game's really good. That's like a really good chill out game. It's it's a very chill. Well, at times it can get incredibly tense and like, oh, I know I'm losing all my Pikmin, but otherwise it's like this really chill game that has a cool aesthetic. I don't know what. What's it called the effect that that you can do where it's like it's kind of like. It's some it's it's like the effect that they used to make miniatures seem like a lot bigger than they are, but they still look worse.  And it's, it's really cool. It's like a really cool aesthetic. It's a really fun chill game. I had a blast with it. I nearly 100% of it, like 95% completed it. Really good. All right. I remember playing, I never played the first Pikmin, but I played Pikmin too a long time ago and I really like it. I thought it was super charming and fun and strategical. It was one of the first games I played where it was like, wow, this is like difficult. I got to really, you know, like try to win. So that was fun.   I'm not sitting with them up in the tree or anything. I'm not sitting outside. With a little, with a little laptop up there.  I'm calling a microphone while my fellow brethren, living brethren, not because I'm a dinosaur or anything, just chilling out. Birds are dinosaurs. They're living with dinosaurs, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. But it's worth noting, Secret Invasion came out in June as well, I wanna say. Yeah, that was June, I think. We got a bit before that for the Olifappers.  Indiana Jones. Oh, boy. Ooh, what can be said about this? Yeah, absolutely horrendous.  One of the worst movies ever. Yes, yes. I'm getting tired of saying it, but it's true. It is. It's probably what's fault. It's not mine. It's not my fault that they keep producing movies. In this spot on my standards. It isn't my fault. Blameless. So was it really Nox Automedia? I feel like there's more redeemable elements of Automedia. Modoc.  Nobody cares about his adventures or anything that he has to say.  That's this film. I mean, that's it. That's the movie. Also, he's a depressed alcoholic.  I'm so tired. Why is why they're all like divorce losers? Why is that the way? They're always like divorced. Well, they're old. Brunks. Where else do you take that character? Where else? That's it. That's the place. Where the guy was divorced, of course. What was it? So it's funny you say that because I was editing it yesterday. Morbius, not Morbius. Morbius. Morbius. Morbius. They assassinated Morbius. Morbius. Yes.   Even Mobius. I don't want to say. Oh, my God. Oh, even in that shitty show, you can't get away from it. You can't just be happily married to a woman you love. You know? Boring. And after so many years after what they did to Luke and TLJ to do that to Indiana, it's just like, how the fuck's sake? They've done this to two different Harrison Ford characters, Han Solo and Indiana Jones.  That's crazy. I'm so lame that that's the only idea that you have. You can't have an old man who actually has something to say and offer to the world. You can't do a story of he may be an old, you know, an old dog, but he can still learn some new tricks. And his old tricks are really cool and interesting as well. Instead, it's like he's an old dog who has legs broken. He's sad. He doesn't bark anymore. Just waiting for the bullet. Yeah. Yeah. He gets hit by the bullet and then he carries on living for what feels like hours and hours and hours. Yeah.  Again, though, I think that confused everybody. I assumed that that was just a troll by Indiana and that the truth is it was always going to send them to the place it did because it was going to make itself happen or whatever, right? But then why would he even... I don't want to answer any questions related to that film. Just kidding. No. Not even Oppenheimer was divorced. There is an interview from the pre-publicity material when it's Indiana Jones, Harrison Ford, Phoebe Waterbridge and the director. Who was the director for this film? James Mangold. James Mangold. He's the director. Yeah. And the interviewer says, what state you're asking each of them? What's your worst fear? Phoebe Waterbridge says bees. James Mangold says, I can't remember what he says. And Harrison Ford says, making a bad movie. And no one heard him. So James Mangold asks, what did you say? And he said, making a bad movie. And then Indiana Jones comes out. Yeah. Yeah. The idea of like immersing or like submerging your character in failure as like a way to make him interesting as if that's the only way to do it.  You literally just don't have to do that. You wanted to... We talked about this. They're in a happy relationship, right? Mangold clearly wanted to deconstruct Indiana Jones in the Dial of Destiny to have the film address his legacy and who he is as a person, what he means to the world. I get that. People would argue that's exactly what he does in Logan. And people would say it's absolutely to a level of success.  And so there was like a precedent somewhat. We talked about earlier. The Last Wish is a deconstruction.  But so much more respect is given to not... I can't even... It's so weird to talk about it this way. It is the same approach. What is Puss in Boots? What does he mean? What is all the stuff he's done achieved for him? What personality traits does he have? What can he offer the world? All this sort of stuff. That's what happens in... How do you do that to a hero? Everyone knows they're great. And it's like, well, that's the thing. Is there a couple of questions left to ask? Is there a couple of things more they could learn? And I think we talked about it, but I was fine with the space age or interest in everything cosmic could overthrow archeology or in some way shape or form, or at least in the life of any other joints. It's interesting. It's cool. But they didn't really use that at all.  It's genuinely annoying to watch, especially if you did what we did, which I assume is what Little Platoon did. You watch all the ones preceding it.  At least he gets that. I know I made a point of doing loads of comparisons with the Crystal skull, because Crystal skull is not a good film by any means, but even Crystal skull gets certain basic fundamental aspects of character journey right in a way that Dada Destiny just does not. It makes it quite a useful comparison. Dada Destiny is so much worse than the previous worst film in the franchise. But on the deconstruction point, one of the important things is if you are going to deconstruct the hero, if you are going to knock them back, it can sometimes be essential to do that if you could ever go on. At least give them some agency in repairing themselves. At least have them learn the lesson that, say, life is worth living, there is some new realisation, and they can enact that, and so they've come back to the full glory as a result of their own agency. Indiana Jones wants to die at the beginning of the film. At the end of the film, Indiana Jones still wants to die, and he has to get swatted in the face by Phoebe Watterbridge and dragged reluctantly back to life.  That's not a character journey. Did no one think to tell her this at any point in the proceeding? No? Madness.  Would have been nice if you just didn't bother at all, but we couldn't have that. Yeah, but then we can't sell it as a movie in theatres. Hearing the actress who played, what's her name at the end, she wanted a bigger part in it, but she was told, like no, no, no, it's just this end scene.  Yeah, but I was just like, well, if she wants to do it, yeah, like, bring it. Oh, hello? His discord flamed. A lot more satisfying, potentially, if it was written correctly. I agree. Hollywood decision. Well, a lot of the discussion about this film was everyone talking about how you could have done a good film, because nobody thought like you can't absolutely cannot. One of the first films that a lot of people had is surely he's too old, but then the second thought everyone has is like, oh wait, but you can still do something with him, even when he's that old, Indiana, of course.  The obvious move that everyone wants and they didn't do it.  Yeah, and unfortunately, well, you could try and recast, even if you wanted to keep the franchise going, recast him and keep him young. Like, do a James Bond with Indiana Jones would be, I would say a better approach than trying to work around the fact that Harrison Ford is impossibly old. But they didn't do that, and then, even the interviews again, and then after that, Patrick Stewart's still kicking around as well. You get these points again in interviews where the two of the younger female members of the cast are asked what's it like acting alongside in fight scenes with Harrison Ford, and one of them says, you know, he can still get up unassisted. Oh, wow. Like a real action hero, yeah. He can stand up without assistance. That is Indiana Jones. Well done. Exciting. Very exciting.  Got the off-screen.  Which doesn't with Mutt's character anyway, but yeah. No. Um, hey, we just, we did Dead Space 1991 at that point, by the way. Finally, we can go to the other spectrum of movie quality. Kino. Oh, finally. Skeleman Space. Great stuff. Everyone should have checked out that E-Fat movies, because it is just brilliant. It really is. Everyone check out our E-Fat movies on Dead Space, starring Brian Cranston. And Tin Pan. Our favorite character. Who got a rough end, but you know what, it was a heroic end. He came back. He got rebuilt. I don't know if that's Tin Pan 2 at this point, you know, I just don't know. Oh, yeah, that's getting pretty existential. I don't know if we're going to be on the suit and to discuss.   What? No, it wasn't. That was when it was boring for us, but it wasn't boring for you. When the people turned into Muppets and got thrown across the rooms of their lifeless bodies, separated from their heads. That was just joy. Yes. I like how the main character hero threw Brian Cranston into the monster room. Why did they do that? Why did they do that, indeed? I think next up is Mission Impossible. Dead Reckoning. Whoa, that was really shitty. That keeps coming up. I have to keep being like, oh, it was so awful. Everyone keeps trying to speculate on why it failed and nobody's willing to do the whole like, it was bad. We do this with the MCU stuff.  Because it was bad. It was poorly written. Lots of plot issues. Characters kind of suck.  They disrespected the franchise with this one. As far as I'm concerned, they didn't remember their history, which is really weird. Especially because a lot of it was built by Macquarie. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to use it, right? And just the complete misunderstanding and waste of an AI villain. You can make that perfectly relevant. I just... It's very hard to do. When you're doing it, it's the all-powerful AI. It's infected absolutely everything. It can do everything. It can predict everything except when the plot needs it not to do that. In which case, it doesn't do it yet. And what the hell was the deal with the guy communing with it in the coffin on the train? We'll find out next time, okay? Oh, that was the... What did we call it? We called it the... Oh, the cyber... What did we call it? We call it... We called it something funny. I don't know, but it's broken now anyway. It just exploded. Someone in chat remembers what we called the funny cyber punk coffin. Please tell me. I feel like we had a funny name for it. It's the only thing that brought us joy. We forgot it. It's funny as well because it's like AI villain, terrible ideas. You can make it work, but it is really hard. And when the film opened with like, basically every system known to matter is like, it's over. You shouldn't have told me that. It's over.  You got to be careful or something like that. I hope you save those books on farming. It's testing my powers of recoil, but isn't it broken right from the beginning because they have to... So it's on the submarine as a key. It's a Russian submarine. The Russians made the key. The Russians know where the subs sinks and the Russians made the key anyway so they can just build another one and go to the submarine and it's done.  I was like, oh, this is tense and interesting, and then the rest of the film happens. So that kind of stinks. There was a little clever bit there as well because the point they were trying to make is that we're so over-reliant on the technology and the AI are the only way they can see. They are completely blind and directionless. That was quite clever. But then five minutes of film and everything else happens after it.  Maybe there was a good film there that I didn't get to see. Something to be said.  I'm starting to remember the airport sequence where they were convinced that a bomb was going to go off that would literally kill everybody. You didn't feel that at all for many characters. I'm going to go disarm it. Oh, no, I didn't bring my tools to disarm it. Oh, gosh. I'm not bringing my tools and opening it. I armed it. The final spin on the riddle machine which could be done with process of elimination and Benji couldn't think about that. He couldn't come up with that himself. Remember when it sold itself? Yeah, all you had to do was twist the dial because you can brute force that. There's only one dial left. The idea of an AI that wants to learn about the humans it's trying to defeat is a really interesting idea that they in no way do anything with. You basically nailed it when he said it's the shitty version of like an AI villain story. They do nothing with that as a premise to the point where you might even forget who the villain is in this movie. And then as a weird aspect, but I kind of think it's at least somewhat true is that they marketed the hell out of their big stunt and it wasn't a particularly invigorating and shocking stunt. It was neat. It was really neat, but... It wasn't as cool as the plane in Rogue Nation or the helicopter chase or climbing the Burj Khalifa. And they have to add that this massive element of luck that comes into it as well is that he has to crash through the exact right window at the exact right second before he kills the person. The plane has to crash yourself through the side of a train. I don't know, man. I thought he was going to land on the top and do some fun action like fight on a train. It's a callback everyone. It's a throwback everybody to the first mission impossible.  Got that. The fact that it's part one which is apparently going to be careful doing that because... Well, now it's just part one of nothing. Part one of one. Part one of one. Which is not a lie. Then on top of all of that Ilsa's fate which I think most people are willing to agree even if they like the film was not well done at all.   She gets killed by some guy because of she wants to fight him when she doesn't have to. There was so much wrong with it.  Remember the Mantis and Ibgoon's fight Tom Cruise in an alleyway that's really thin. That was strange. That was a bad one. She like categorically in a deterministic way is seen by the AI to be traitorous because of that event being that she was spared. But then you're like, well, why couldn't you trace that back even earlier and know that that would happen? I don't know. Yeah.  Mm-hmm. And Fallout is just this weird, anomalous, amazing film. Everyone needs to see Mission Impossible Fallout. It's incredibly good. One of the best action movies. One of the best action movies, yeah. I'm doing a rewatch. I haven't seen it in a long time. Really good. Next up, I believe, is Oppenheimer which is my second favorite movie of the year. Oppenheimer is good. Very, very good. We didn't do coverage of that. It's equal. We didn't, but we had mentioned we saw it and we really loved it. Well, we really liked it. It's been a long time. It does seem to be. It's a three-hour biopic. Very strong character study. Yeah, great soundtrack and filmmaking work and a good... It presents the series of events really well in a comprehensive way. Even if it has flashbacks and it's not super linear, it's easy to keep track of what's going on. They do a good job with presenting the stakes of what they need to do. Oppenheimer's state of mind is family situation. You know, who he is. I think so.  I feel like, dude, Dunkirk, man. I don't understand what the thinking was with that structure. I don't get it. Can somebody help me with that? It's a three-hour thing. And then try to trick you into thinking that it was like, oh, see, you think that all of the events are running together, but they're actually... They're in a different order. Isn't that kind of interesting? What was that? It's the kind of thing that makes you go, oh.  I feel like it makes you move even worse. Whereas in this case, the whole framing of you've got the scenes to the end of the film, you understand that it's essentially the difference of the perspectives of Oppenheimer and Strauss. Strauss' worldview is incredibly rigid. It's all framed through his situation and his aspirations at this particular moment, whereas Oppenheimer is more broad. It's also more confused and a little bit contradictory in terms of he keeps... It's kind of like hard to ascertain exactly how he feels about his life and the decisions that he's made and his achievement, his scientific achievement means for the world to essentially have a story set up where it tries to push you in the direction of focusing very heavily on the whole fight between Oppenheimer and Strauss only to sort of reveal that that wasn't what he was thinking about at all. There wasn't some game there that Oppenheimer was playing that it was actually that he was obsessed with and stuck in these thoughts that he had about the nature of his accomplishment. It's like, that's cool. That's cool. And then you've just got like a lot of standard beats, a lot of really great filmmaking like great cinematography practical effect and a great soundtrack and excellent performance by Killian Murphy. Excellent, like really strong performances from the cast all around. It's just like a really great film. It's a really cool film. Super impressive in the way that it was constructed and put together. I like it a lot. It's my favorite Nolan film in a long time. It's even better than Interstellar. Oh, yeah, it's better than Interstellar. Yeah, it is. Amazing. That's good. And yeah, it surprised everybody in the box office. Didn't expect it to make that kind of money. I guess that means we should talk about Bobby then too, right? Yeah, Bobby came out the same day. Yeah, Bobby happened. I don't like it very much. No. I gotta say, I kind of really don't at all like Bobby, what it says and how it goes about saying it. I think it unintentionally said a lot of things that it definitely did not mean to. It's a pretty incompetently written film that unfortunately wastes what could have been pretty cool. It's just like a little idea. It's two films jammed into one. The first half of it, which is sort of ladybird redux great ago, it's just working on familiar themes motherhood. The difficulties with young daughters and coming to terms that sort of humanistic overcoming of differences realizing that you are different people, but you are at the same time, you owe each other a lot. That's a theme that she's touched on in a number of other things. It's quite a nice theme. I don't mind that at all. And the film's semi coherent when it's sticking on that. But then the around the halfway point is when it decides, yeah, that's not enough. We also have to ironically create the best argument for the patriarchy ever put on the film. And we have to compare women's happiness to small parks and then we have to de-program them because being happy is not allowed. And then in the end, what's being a woman? It's having a vagina. And that's the thematically confused film, Barbie. There's some nice things to be said about it, but overall it's a mess. Oh, I'd say so. Yeah, it feels like the writers didn't even know what they were trying to say with it. I actually like the first act of it, even if I felt that it was missing a sort of prologue element of, like, maybe you could have the opening scene, the little girl who's, like, upset by some family dynamic gone wrong. And that's why she feels, that's why Barbie is feeling these weird things in Barbie Land where she feels like, I gotta go to the real world and find out what's going on. Even if it's missing that, I thought it was a fairly strong first act, and then it goes into the real world stuff, and then I thought it just turned into this mess. And then there's this distinctly, I distinctly remember this one part where, like, this girl character in the human world is introduced, and she's what? Oh no. Is that Barbie, like the actual Barbie that I used to play with? And it's like, what? Why would you see this human character running around? Oh, this is so much that didn't work. So much that didn't work. And then at that point... No, it carries... It tries to do a load of world-building mechanical stuff, and then it tries for about five seconds and drops it. So you have the whole idea that all the Barbies in Barbie World are being played with by real girls, that's dropped immediately.  But you get to that middle act when it is the daughter who's introduced, which gives that thing about Barbies are fascist, Barbies an icon of the patriarchal suppression of women kind of, which then got that discourse thing going is, oh no, Barbie's actually a satire, don't you know? Barbie is satirizing this line of thinking. It's actually a clever satire. And then you go and look at what Greta Gerwig actually says about it. And she says, of the same scene, no, no, I thought it was really important to articulate the obviously correct arguments by a very intelligent character. It's not a satire. I like that people want to think it is, it's not that clever. You know what scenes really annoyed me a lot in that film? The one that really annoyed me was how part of their ruse of destroying the society that the Kenseth built was pretending to like their artistic expression.   And it's like, we're going to pretend that we're actually interested in their artistic expression. But really it's embarrassing and shit, right?  There was a couple of versions of the other examples of the same sort of thing would be like we'll rely on their interest in helping us with tech issues to trick them. And they want to frame it as though it's an ego thing, right? Like, you're so good at tech that you want to help anybody out because you're the guy to come to. It's like, yeah, but there's the obvious other aspect of wanting to help people. Like, what do you mean? We want to share our hobbies and interests with you because we like you and we want to, you know, be closer to you. No, but that's not the case. I just don't understand how it's like, why would you construct a situation where the kens have no autonomy whatsoever and then they go get it and then it seemingly goes overboard.  You can have a few symbolic positions and they'll be like, ah, see, that's the real world. What are you making? What are you doing? Like, what is this story that you've crafted?  I wonder what the real world is, which is the problem. So you have that scene at the end that I think you're describing is when the kens say, well, can we have maybe, you know, just one supreme court seat? No, you can't. You have to work your way up. The message you'd be forgiven for taking from that is that you have to earn equality, which I really don't think is something great ago we would agree with. But it's one of the fact that the film doesn't really, it never creates a real world for that parallel. You know, they have to invent that all of the motel board are men. They have to present San Francisco in 2023 as though it's as sexist as San Francisco in 1973. They have no real world analogy. So everything just seems a rampantly dishonest and be self-defeating because if you want to construct this parallel, if you want to try and give any kind of moral lesson about the importance of working hard and overcoming systems of oppression, which is what Greta Goeck's main sort of humanistic line is all about. All systems of oppression, keep everyone down. Patriarchy is as bad for men as it is for women. Okay, fine. But then you do kind of have to show us what that is really before you can try and deconstruct it. But the film has to parody, a parody of the real thing it wants to deconstruct and that just makes it confused even more. Remember the one of, yeah, trick him into, say you haven't seen The Godfather so you can try and explain it to you. That'll get him.  They try to frame it as narcissistic. It's like he sees himself as better off because he gets to explain something intellectual to the woman. And it's like that.  Why does that have to be so cynical? Why can't it just be earnest expressions of passion for art? Why is it going to be culture? You think men can't have this? Only women can?  It's written by a person who calls herself a filmmaker and back before it became inconvenient to do so, would wax lyrical about the influence Woody Allen had on her career, for example. So like she's talking about like film theory dismissively because, oh, the Ken's interested in The Godfather but Greta Gerwig herself must surely be interested in that kind of thing. That's why she's interested in it for the right reasons. Yeah, exactly. That's why she makes a multi-cajillion-dollar movie and sells all these tickets and makes the money. Not condescending at all. The speech. That big speech. The speech was horrible. Was embarrassing. That's all I just said. Are you overthinking this? All we've done is tell you what happens. Well, if the film gets nominated for an Academy Award which it probably is going to, then you know what? I think it's fair to actually analyze the film for being apparently like a very earnest and sincere and really intelligent satire. I guess I'm tied to that one. It's these films. People fall back on that. It's like, I don't know, man, it seems like everybody's talking about it like it's one of the best films of the year. It seems like everybody's talking about it as if it's like an actually excellently crafted brilliant satire. So in that case, then maybe it should be engaged with as though the points that it's trying to make in the observations in the satire is like earnest. The film likes to give the impression that it itself is thinking. There's a joke about Citizens United within the first 10 minutes, for example. It's not a casual throwaway thing. It could be a form of critique on modern society. All the interviews that all of the cast and the director have done tell you about all of the, you know, the systems of thought that underpin the film or the philosophy that it's supposed to be trying to convey. It's not a thoughtless film. It's just that it fails to think. But it's trying to think. So you can critique it as though it does. This feels like a neighboring argument to the whole like, why are you analyzing Star Wars? It's got space wizards. It's like, why are you trying to see what you can find in Barbie? It is Barbie. You know what that means. It's what got to get us. We haven't even done any kind of deep dive. We're mainly just telling you what scenes happen and what the points of views of the characters are and then they are affirmed by the movie. And it's like, what? Question mark?  It's not like we're describing them and going, that was a really funny joke. Or that was an interesting bit of drama. It was a point is made and reaffirmed and then we're sitting here like, wow, that point makes no sense at all. And that, you know what I mean? It's not particularly deep in terms of a dive. If you want to actually delve into the nature of the mechanics of this world that basically the film makes the statement that the Barbies in the Barbie world, they're just susceptible to having their minds completely subsumed by outside influences to the point that they're basically automatons. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do with that. They need to be inoculated to what was like inoculated to patriarchy. What do I have to do with that? It's like... Interesting, what are you trying to say about women, Greta? Weird, that's just like weird on so many levels to compare. As everyone points out that women are exceptionally happy of the patriarchy. I just, I don't understand what I'm supposed to make of any of that. That they are incapable of thinking.   I don't like talking about this movie. I don't like it. I don't understand it. Yeah, it seems very bitter against people like me, quite frankly. Well, we did almost skip over a secret invasion, right? Yeah, secret invasion is easier to talk about.  It does. That's sort of an improvement. There is a TV show at the Marvel Universe that a lot of people had no idea even existed that killed Maria Hill and Talos. They're both gone. Yeah. And in the process it decided to metaphorically, spiritually kill Nick Fury. Pretty much, yeah. That was like, that assassination felt systematic. It was very thorough.  Oh, all these things you made, that's actually, that was us. The aliens, we did that all the time. You didn't do anything.  Like, that's the only way that they could perceive Fury is you have to knock them down to absolute, like, zero. When trying to prove the point about a lot of patterns we can spot in modern writing, like tropes almost, that one is possibly one of the greatest examples ever of reaching into the past of a character that everyone up to this point has quite enjoyed. I mean, obviously the first destruction of him was in Captain Marvel, but in this to actually go back and erase his achievements, it's like, wow. That's so retroactively destroying him. I can only do that, but to transfer them onto a group that is now actively working to kill all humans on the planet, which all of that are like that. The scrolls man is like an insane bit of world building that you've now made it to where the majority of scrolls are cool with, if not actively aiding the annihilation of all of humanity. They all told us apparently that over the years there's no millions scrolls apparently on Earth that just took over all the people's lives. It's not like you need to ask us people on Earth the citizens of the world for our permission and whether or not we're cool with a bunch of shapeshifting aliens coming and subverting democracies. Nope, this is our planet now all of you need to die, and horribly too. It would be a terrible death to die from nuclear radiation and stuff. One guy in Captain Marvel they cut a deal but they didn't follow through on somehow, somehow in 30 years couldn't find one planet known as a scroll bomb. People have mentioned not only have we not seen his reaction to the information, but Rodey doesn't know that Tony's dead. I was about to mention that. That's right, it's been a scrolls intro. That's horrible. They just stole that. No, yeah, because they announced very publicly that it goes back as far as Civil War, but they have the chance to explicitly not have that be the case when they get back to him in the actual shows which I have to imagine the next fucking creative would be like no. Throw on the other element as well of Amelia Clark is now the most powerful entity in the MCU. She has just all the genetics now. And it seems to be done so casually too that this is just for existing. This was just mentioned as well in the marvels. We are showed that Captain Marvel absolutely had a planet four scrolls, but oh well. Yeah. They really wanted to know. It can't really exist as a show in the MCU. It doesn't accord with anything before or after it. It's just there and everyone including the people in the studio themselves said that was probably a mistake that just pretended didn't happen. Yeah, I mean, normally it's not a good idea to ignore things but I don't know how you make an MCU movie that's set on Earth that isn't completely and thoroughly coloured by the events of this movie. One of the things to be like, can we give better deaths to these characters that people actually care about? Can we do that? Yeah. Well, let's be honest, this character has been in it for a while. It's Ben Mendelsohn. He's a great actor. Why the hell did we do that to him? Yeah. Absolutely, yeah. He's an entertaining character and a guy. I guess some real ones are kind of interesting. He's one of a few not evil scrolls. What's that? Yeah, but now he's gone. Now he's gone, so... Just the evil ones. It's like, isn't it really offensive the idea that it's like, oh, Gaia just gets all the powers? No.  I mean, she personally, you know, did the whole bomb thing and the... And her rewarded all the powers. Killing those thousands of people. She will never answer for it. She will never answer for it. She's kind of like Valkyrie, in a sense.    It's pretty funny. It's like how they just completely ignored how the powers work that she gets because she just uses the magic that's strange she uses and does the hand gestures which is no way of knowing how that even works. Part of the power... He gets his brain. They get his rings.   I'm just going to go get my bail there.  It's really short. It's slop. It's pure slop.  It's so awful. It's almost like peak slop, I would say. Which is ironic because Secret Invasion was being marketed as though it's like a return to a Winter Soldier type situation. It's going to be dark. It's going to be gritty. It's going to be on the ground. It's going to star a lot of human characters. It's going to be espionage. Ended like this. What is this? Thank God everyone hated it. I'm glad that the AI intro automatically just set everybody in this mood against it. It made our job easier. That's for sure. By the end of this everybody was done with it. I remember at the beginning people were kind of coping a little bit. When you get the G5 at the end everybody was ready to hate this.  The amount of money that was lost on this must be insane. Wow, I guess the thing is is that lost money on a streaming thing is a bit harder to quantify but I guess it would be viewership. There's a bean counter somewhere that can tell them what the return of this project was. It was terrible. I guarantee it. With the way that everyone was talking about it when it bleeds through that level and the public discourse is horrifically negative. I think Secret Invasion was a big part of why the Marvels. It was probably a big contributor to the even further diminishing of box office. Especially since Scrolls, that was something that was introduced in Captain Marvel so those were kind of attached. People might have been thinking that the Marvels would actually connect to our Secret Invasion. Secret Invasion up again with it's the most devastating world-building thing that they've done in the MCU is the Skrull Invasion and all that it implies. Earth has changed forever now in a way that you can never go back from. I don't know that anything ever topples Loki in terms of ruining everything like from a world perspective. I don't even know what that is. Maybe season 2. In your story.  Doesn't Secret Invasion end with they pass this anti-alien act which basically says all aliens are hostile entities on Earth so they're not allowed to be there anymore. One of the questions over here kind of is based but one of the things I'm really interested in is what overlap, if any overlap was the script for this show because the Marvels was delayed wasn't it and so I'm assuming these things must have been written not very far from each other they may even have been partially written at the same time but evidently they haven't spoken to each other. You have the anti-alien act in this show and then the Marvels comes along and say where can the Skrulls be safe on Earth send them back to Earth to live with the new Asgardians who are themselves presumably subject to the anti-alien act and whenever I don't think ever going to see them again because that's kind of just speeding them but it doesn't add up that they cannot exist in the same universe. No, it's which is pretty funny considering that these projects get build as apparently connected to one another I'm pretty sure that the pitch a secret invasion during that like big investor thing where they announced all these projects the pitch was that it would lead into Captain Marvel two at the time then the Marvels but I mean obviously that's not true but they said that all the time it will lead into it and it's like what it leads in is detrimentally as in it raises new questions that will go unanswered or that contradict you know whatever whatever you can account for it No, I would if I was in charge I would there'd be a lot of things I would decanonize but this would probably be the first one that goes Oh easily without yeah absolutely there's like there's no way we can have the Skrull invasion happening on Earth it's just no we can't do it You've got a multiverse now so you can hand wave it away this one took place in universe 17D yeah I was just thinking that like this like what Platoon was saying like this the universe multiverse idea has cheapened everything where like we got our kicks out of it you know there's been a few benefits and fun stories but now by that I mean like everything everywhere all at once was good that was the kicks I got out of it but that's over now right but like in a pre multiverse Marvel phase they would have been much more selective over projects they got green lit but now it's just yeah yeah little green light anything and if it's shit and it's just like well that takes place in a universe where everything is shit it's all of them sir well that's the thing they actually they did get to a point where they could green light everything and it wouldn't matter and they enjoyed those what like three years of that actually happening as like a grace period but you had to then to generate another set of years for grace period you needed to have stuff that people actually liked but you didn't make anything anyone liked even you know Shang-Chi like there are people out there said that was great it's like nobody cares about Shang-Chi nobody tell me tell me one thing about that film no just there is no more Iron Man's that are happening there's no film that everyone's like oh shit you should get like for the MCU they didn't make one even we have the iron lady what's her name iron hard iron hard just gonna say just great no way home would be like the only exception but again that didn't help the MCU or Marvel in terms of like money and it's and it's almost like a bookend like it wasn't like a promise of future content it was more so just like an end and then it might go over to Sony's universe it's almost confusing how it could possibly help them and it's like the best thing they had I think I almost feel like people consider there's Spider-Man and then there's like Marvel even though obviously Spider-Man it kind of in the way that there's Batman like DC broadly Spider-Man is Spider-Man and when Spider-Man succeeds that doesn't say anything about Marvel Spider-Man especially with the whole rights thing that seems like a lot of people are vaguely then again I mean isn't the whole idea with the Sony stuff that they want to trick people into thinking that Venom is like in the MCU but now it's probably more advantageous to say no it's in the it's in our little universe with Morbius like when you I don't even know like oh shit we lied to you but we take it back we regret it it's like telling a terrible lie that gets you in more trouble yeah man all right there up on the screen it's amazing ohhh Emilia Clarke I had never seen that clip before so that was quite amazing to see that it looks pretty pretty stupid the only reason I was inclined to see secret invasion was I think Olivia Coleman's in it and it's just like maybe she's the type of actress who like would only go on board if the material was any good one of the best things in there she actually plays it as though she's having some fun she gets to do something competent which is rare in the whole show yeah she does a competent thing we were like whoa calm down and then they did something that we shouldn't forget about is that the new season of Futurama was starting to come out we didn't finish that did we we got near the end well I think two episodes left to watch yes and it was not like how do I put this it didn't put us in a position of I can't wait to see more but it also didn't piss us off no there were a couple episodes that were actually like fairly impressive there were a few there that were like oh yeah it had something to say jokes that worked and a decent story to tell felt like one of the things that struck me about the new season is how much it references all of very much deep cut references to stuff that you know you have to be a fan of Futurama to put that stuff in there I was like damn nice so for anyone out there who's itching for Futurama content it doesn't fill that hole but it also gives you something and it's nice a snack another meal as much as all the voices have aged very obviously what's funny is like his fad's worth is now probably better than ever but yeah you know it was it was fun there's some episodes I think we were like that was kind of bad but like yeah and then there's something like oh that was yeah also someone said I prefer older Futurama the theme of this conversation is that it is obviously worse older Futurama you're being pretty subtle there but mm-hmm oh yeah that's notable I think next up is actually Ahsoka Ahsoka it's worth a mention we had the React Wars saga the next chapter with all the XQC stuff happen oh jeez you're right it's not like there's a lot to say on the subject other than just wow that was crazy another sort of definition of controversy because the way for them to get away with doing all this shit is to just stay under the radar but people like XQC have no interest in doing that so it can ruin it for a lot more of the people around him if he was to do high profile sort of react bullshit but the conversation he had with Ethan Klein was particularly funny he's too selfish XQC only cares about XQC when he got on the ground hit the worm that is one of the funniest things I've ever say to my entire life that was so hilarious I'm not mad I'm not mad as he crawls around and rills around on the floor in silence the conversation that you had with Amala was particularly funny cause like you had both reached some kind of consensus on something and then he said like so you admit defeat then well he had accepted openly that he was a piece of shit he made it difficult for me to do anything with it cause he's just like I am a villain, I am evil he has to frame everything in terms of victory or loss cause he's been playing over a watcher he is a man of fortune alright I am a man I am a man of fortune he learned about condensation that was fun that arc was age of XQC cause it was a new player almost into this game and my god there was so much to learn and discover all the clips that I was sent in terms of just highlights of his streams as was mentioned could you believe that he was of a double digit age when he discovered the concept of condensation that stream clip is so fucking funny he thinks chat is lying to him and then he comes to the conclusion ok so water just appears out of nowhere ok so annoying it kind of blackpills you when you look at XQC and know that he's richer than anyone has any business being and he's this stupid and a legitimately bad person but like hundreds how many people watch him 20, 30,000 people are watching him at any time and it really is kind of like a human civilization blackpill if he can fuck upwards so can you fuck upwards yeah and you know just trying to understand everything about it and I feel like that's just the next chapter there will be another one eventually someone over on twitch will fuck up again steal in something and it will get a bunch of traction again it will be what it will be about Jaxfilms has been doing his thing and godspeed to him yeah but for me he was correct in terms of notable coverage was indeed Ahsoka Ahsoka Ahsoka Ahsoka you know that was something we think some people were saying like yeah and all would feel more like stars if it did have more lights it was that is true though it just happened it's all what happened though when it's pushed to the extreme you see Vader with his lightsaber and then you get people going it's just like almost makes you want to answer the question of how far can we get without lightsabers can we do it we can't get through the blast doors without them it's true I have to get the codes yes he did indeed Vader this is a part of the arc and then we were distinctly disappointed quite quickly I am so glad we can monetize that because jeez fuck this show well yeah of all of our like episodes coverage of a tv show our fans love Star Wars they just love it you guys are big fans of disney star wars aren't ya so no denying it it was that first ish scene of the balanship landing in that the new republic ship whatever was called and everyone was dumb and everyone was an idiot and there was a chance to be clever and subversive and we did the most brain dead 12 year old thing imaginable it's just a stupid guy let him on the ship for the rest of the show it was a clever ruse we were immediately asking shit tons of questions about how any of it works that's a good sign you just begun with the map and then the amount of time that's clearly being spent doing nothing cause they didn't have any story to tell which is incredible cause of the every episode is like oh you could have started here or you could have left that out why is there so many pauses in between your words and sentences it's so awkward lots of walk in, lots of landscape shots that go on for way longer than needed and then episode lengths even they are like how did they get this this long with how little that happened and yeah we could have began the whole season at any really even in the last episode that could have been where it fucking started to be honest with you a lot of that information that we got for the rest of the season could have been covered in a conversation I guess distinctly disappointing and yeah even fans of the clone wars were not happy with this and like I said it damaged Dave Filoni's reputation a lot cause he was given so much control over this which is what you can expect going forward and I think one of the bigger ones is like people are willing to concede that Ahsoka is out of character what's her name, Hera does she even have a character really other than being pompous insanely irresponsible bringing the sun on the combat mission to get the Sith there's just negative aspects that's it using her rank to try and supersede any situation she's in like a fucking bullheaded idiot tarnished Leia and Mon Mothma too yep just taking advantage of the political system to benefit herself which is exactly what we don't like seeing of our characters that's not good they don't even know if Dave realizes that that's like the whole issue that Palpatine takes advantage of is using the system to his benefit to gain more power is that what you're doing with these heroes but okay I'm becoming more and more of a separatist every day and what's cool about it is like in a good story that would be awesome like a good character doing that and then another good character being like isn't that well it's fine because we're the good guys and you know that if it was an ad door there would be like a subtle maybe musical track or there's expressions that give away this will be addressed again sometime this is not going to be forgotten the scene of Mon Mothma in the car with her husband like that was a legitimately subtle scene that I didn't quite even get until we like stopped it and that considered what it was about because it was really clever and subtle so would it just not work take advantage of that way you can in Star Wars it's not because I think the lesson that's been taken from the prequels is the most shallow the politics stuff is the thing that doomed the prequels the online Star Wars can't be doing the politics stuff anymore because we don't want that there's even that scene in Mando Season 3 when Doc Brown's character is about to go on a political speech about the virtues of separatism and independence and then Bo Katan just shoots him with the stun gun and says politics the best of the Disney