Oh gobble gobble. It's turkey time, and it's gonna be Christmas soon, too It's the holiday season and all now here's the statistic most of you watching this right now in January It'll be about 10 pounds fatter But those of you that watch and listen to this episode won't be because in this episode we give you hacks on how to present prevent Excuse me fat gain. Isn't that cool? Here's what's even cooler. Check out the giveaway today the maps Super bundle. This is the biggest bundle that we offer So there's maps anabolic maps performance maps aesthetic maps prime and I think there's even more stuff in there It's a huge bundle. 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Here comes the show You know what's funny is that obviously we all worked in gyms for a long time managed gyms and Everybody knows especially if you're working a gym that january Way more people come in way more people want to sign up way national treadmill month It's that whole you know new year's resolution thing, but I think it has more to do Guilt the fact that yeah, they just had the holidays, right? Yeah, what's that stat like the average american gains? You know, I I've said this stat every year and I think I'm 20. I've seen yeah I've seen it all I've seen everything from as low as eight to as high as like 20 pounds over the holiday so like I've maybe dug to google it but the last time I looked it was less than what I think I said on this show But somewhere between eight and 20 pounds on average people put on from I believe it starts on halloween so halloween Till january 2nd the average american adds anywhere between eight to 20 pounds And that's a wide range and the problem with that is that they go to try to lose it obviously doing it the wrong way and They end up losing either half of it or none of it and then they go the next year And it ends up being cumulative. So after five or six years, I'm 30 pounds overweight or whatever. Anyway, what I want to do is I would like to give people behavioral and kind of objective strategies That can help them with this holiday season, you know, we got Thanksgiving Christmas New Year's Eve Families getting together and I think it's important that people have some like Easy to apply strategies that kind of will prevent This weight gain that people experience during the holiday the eight holiday hacks to prevent weight gain Yeah, let's let's talk about some of the ones that we've used also If you're not intentionally conscious of what you're putting in your mouth, it's going to get away from you Let's be honest. The first one is the 40 day fast This will definitely make sure you don't get if you don't eat for 40 days No, I would cover it. No, no, that is not a strategy. That's a terrible strategy All right, let's start with the first one and I've heard you talk about this adam I do the same thing when I go to family parties Yes, it might I have a big family typically when we go we have big family parties holiday parties Everybody tends to bring a dish or two dishes, right? You bring the healthy dish. That's what I do Yes, exactly what I do. You're the health ambassador. Yeah. Yeah, I'll typically bring A vegetable dish or a lean protein dish or something that I know that at the very least I can turn to when I'm hungry. Well, you know how this started for me So I'm in Katrina and I've been together for 11 years now And it was at about the midway point when or even a little bit before so it's about what year four year three or four When I began preparing to Get ready to compete so even before I was competing but getting prepared for that And I began to carry my food around in Tupperware all the time and like her family lots of traditions and The way they do like meals There's a bunch of food that everybody agrees is like everyone's favorite foods that they want there and then it's just like, oh Katrina You have this this year. You know, Jerry, you have this this year and they kind of pass around like the dishes And this is during the time where I like I'm carrying Tupperware around all over the place. So I'm like, well, this is ridiculous I'm going to go here and like the only thing I can use turkey like So I said, why don't we and I remember the first year we had to kind of compromise like, okay We'll make that dish in addition to that I want us to make one or two dishes that I can actually eat and so it started as me Bringing additional healthy dishes to the Thanksgiving dinner And then now it's become actually something that people are sort of I've introduced the family to some of these dishes that are, you know less marshmallows Because you get the salad quote unquote that's like jello with marshmallows. Yeah, so I had to do the same thing I'm like, I'm the one that's going to bring the salad with the dark leafy greens that has some fiber in it So I can actually help my digestion, which is a big problem for me with these big holiday meals. That's exactly what I do I bring I'll bring like two vegetable dishes that are relatively low calorie that tastes good and easy for you to prepare easy to prepare And and we'll bring them and then we'll put them out and people will eat them too But at least I know that there's some there's an option there for me that I can turn to And eat that's going to give me some of the healthy benefits now that and I think we're all on the same page I think that's been a Huge help for me personally is just having a better option there. There's another one that um I've started to do ever since you and it's something that your family does and I believe it's Thanksgiving I don't know if you guys do this on Christmas or it's Thanksgiving day after Thanksgiving Okay, it is Thanksgiving, right? So you've been doing this forever when we first met I thought it was really cool that your family I've joined you now On some of them and I made sure to make sure our family does something similar which is Organizing some sort of a you know family physical activity now your specifically you guys all go to the gym Work out like you guys all used to go to your gym now you go to this our gym here And get this big and it's cool because it's like a You know three-hour occasion. It's not a normal traditional like most of it is having fun and talking And catching up with each other then we we test each other's strength We do weird exercises like it's definitely not a formal workout, but I love that because Once you go experience that and you realize that oh, this isn't just You know fanatical Sal with his workout and he has to do his routine It's actually a time to bond and everybody even people that aren't into really working out can have fun And it's become a part of the holiday for us and it started I want to say maybe third as long as 13 or 14 years ago where I would I have a lot of cousins and and family members that are You know mail that are right around the same age me and my cousin Sep are the oldest and then we have kind of younger and it's about eight-year age difference But now we're all older. We're all you know the same right? We're all adults And about 13 years ago. I was like, hey, we should all meet up And we'll meet up at my studio and we'll all work out the day after Thanksgiving And it's this all-day thing and we hang out. We have a great time And it's become it's become a ritual and a part of the holiday and what's cool about this is Yes, you get activity But you're also You're also getting the value that you would get from holidays, which is to be around the people that you love So you essentially you're organizing a physical activity of bonding with your family, which is yeah We used to do like nature hikes You know with the whole family and then we started to ramp it up and then we did Flag football turned out that I was like all-time quarterback and then it was just me and the kids I'm trying to sell this a little bit more as the family still but I'd love to to now, you know evolve that into more of like a fun Kind of a weight training event to go with that as well. So we'll see this year We put we play music and we'll switch the music So I'll put on the metal and then my other cousin put on EDM and then some and we'll talk crap to each other and And then yeah, like Adam said, we'll see who's the strongest or whatever lift although now that we're getting older everybody's got an injury I'm like, okay, whatever dude, but I mean it's it's a good time And it's it's again It follows the tradition of the holiday and it's awesome and I tell you what if you're the fitness fanatic in your family You would be surprised how much your family actually appreciates the fact that you lead a workout Now one piece of advice your goal isn't to beat the crap out of your family You have fun with them, but they will appreciate it. Well, I'm glad you talk politics I'm glad you said that because I think the key to this because I know there's somebody listening and they're like There's no way I'm gonna get my family to do this And if you if you present it like a traditional workout where you're gonna Everyone's gonna be very formal and following sets reps and trying to get as much as you can done in an hour It's like no, you're not gonna win that battle with the family But if you can turn it more into an experience an event like a social thing that while we're also moving at the same time I think that's the secret sauce to turning it into something that happens more consistently And that's what I really even enjoyed about coming to the workout that I did originally with you guys is that That's how it was. It wasn't this very informal.  Yeah, see that's a blast Yeah, we all play basketball And then her mom and some of the ants and stuff that are a little bit older Something they do that I actually joined this one year. I remember why I couldn't play basketball I can't remember what my injury was. I think it was my Achilles. That's what it was But I could walk at the time they get up in the morning. I like this. I know this isn't on our hack We didn't list this one But this kind of goes coincides with this is I also love on Thanksgiving morning to get up early before I have any food or anything is just to go for a nice long walk Early walk. It's beautiful kind of fall weather as the family together Yeah, yeah, and we get a group whoever wants to go for the walk and it's you know, typically six or seven of us And we go walk for I don't know 45 minutes to an hour same thing. It's it's not not real hardcore exercise It's more us talking enjoy each other's company And I just it sets the tone for the day and get you burning calories before you even consume anything I think this is uh tremendously helpful in combating the extra. Oh, it's a good time All right, so the next one now. This is one of the only times you'll hear Us communicate fasting in this particular way And and I'll explain why so the the strategy is to fast Before the holiday meal and then fast afterwards when you're done with the meal, you're done and you don't eat till the next day Now, why do we do this? Here's one of the reasons why I know as a fitness fanatic One of the things that used to mess with me was oh my gosh, I'm gonna eat all this food I'm gonna eat these pies and eat these desserts and if I fasted leading up to it Then what it did is it helped my mind put my mind at ease a little bit like okay I'm gonna enjoy this meal I'm not going to worry too much about The calories or whatever and and we're going to get into some more hacks and talk about how you can actually enjoy the meal and that You know turn it into a binge where you're actually not being aware at the time You're actually in another space But nonetheless fasting leading up to it Kind of does set the stage for this wonderful Enjoying, you know this meal that you can enjoy with your friends and your family Well, I like this too because I don't think anybody Gets fat over the holidays from the one Thanksgiving meal What gets you is the the the grazing all day long is the two to three drinks to the cookies and snacks to the pies and treats to the Inactivity seconds and thirds, you know an hour or two hours later.  Oh, that's I'm not thinking about how much I'm consuming I've just said hey, I didn't eat all day today.  Nobody nobody does that and has a good time Well, the mentality of the fast leading into the holiday meal makes a big difference If my mentality around the fast is oh, I'm not going to eat anything so I could go crazy At my holiday meal you may find yourself, you know tipping into like this kind of binge, uh, you know behaviors What I like to try to do is when I fast leading up to the meal I fast as a way to detach from food. So it's somewhat of a spiritual, you know, for lack of a better term I hate using that term here, but really it's about detaching. It's a holiday I'm thankful focusing on my kids and my wife and my family. I'm looking forward to seeing people Eating the food that people prepared Getting together with people I haven't seen maybe in a little while So it's really detaching from food and then now we're all together and it's this holiday It's this tradition and we're enjoying this time together. So it's not And now we talk about physiologically the fact that you're avoiding calories and eating calories So it results in less calories overall, but the mentality you go into it makes a big difference It's not I'm going to starve myself so I can pig out It's I'm detaching and focusing on important things right now and I know later.  I'm gonna wait for the meal. I'm gonna wait for the meal I'm gonna eat so then when the cookie plates because I mean, I don't know what you guys think sitting looks like But from literally the night before even in the morning of and all day long There's there's stuff on the table. There's chips and ranch dressing and every time you walk by There's something yeah, there's something for you to be kind of picking out all day And I really think that that's what gets most people in this situation is the grazing all day long while you're Enjoying the family and having conversations and stuff. And so it's like, okay. Well instead of Doing that I'm just gonna enjoy the family and I'm not gonna do all the grazing And then I'll have a nice dinner and if I do that then the calories won't sneak up on Yes Now this next point is kind of it's a very effective way of naturally reducing calories Without telling yourself that you're restricting yourself And I learned the strategy a long time ago when I experimented with Uh, the warrior diet. There was a book that came out years ago called the warrior diet and basically we eat one meal a day and uh, you know for Not to go into it. I don't think it's a great strategy for most people But one thing that I did learn from it was when I would eat that one meal There was this order of operation with the foods that I ate and I noticed that it did Really work well with my appetite. And this is how it worked The first thing that I ate when I was when I was ready to eat was protein I prioritized the protein first The next thing that I ate was vegetables and I would eat a big serving of vegetables And then if I felt not satisfied like I want to eat a little then I would move to the starches and other foods If you eat in this way and prioritize that way what you may find is that you actually eat less Now protein has been shown to have appetite suppressing effects.  You know, how do I feel now? I'm kind of full or maybe I'm not now I'll get the mashed potatoes now. I'll have the pasta now I'll have the bread and the starches because if I start with those It almost always leads to eating more overall, right? So this is one of my Favored strategies and I use this strategy year-round. So this is one of the ways that I manage My eating when I go out to eat. So instead of saying I can't have a nice dinner with Katrina You know every single Friday night if I want to I absolutely can do that That this is just one of the ways that I manage the calories without feeling like I'm Restricting or telling myself I can't have the bread or I can't do this It's like sure I can do that stuff. I'm just if I just eat my foods in this order What tends to naturally happen is by the time I get to the french fries by the time I get to the tortilla chips By the time I get to the dessert I'm so full on the meat and veggies That the car the carbs the starches the desserts They just don't even sound that appealing and even if they sounded so amazing before going to dinner And I told myself I can't wait to try that what I end up taking a bite or two and then that's it Versus I I'm thinking about the cake or I'm thinking about this dessert or those chips or those french fries And I'm doing it while I'm simultaneously eating my protein and veggies and then when it's happening I'm more and more over here on the starchy carbs and before you know it I don't finish my protein and I over consume my calories because I had so many carbs versus I just go Hey, I'm going to take this big serving of meat and veggies I'm going to crush that then I'll move over to this food And I love that because there's that psychological part of that I'm not saying I'm I can't or I won't eat that. I'm just saying I'm going to make sure I get my protein and And veggies the things that my body needs I'm going to take care of that first and then I'll indulge on whatever I however I feel afterwards Yeah, I was super enlightening for me going through even just when I was doing carnivore diet and just focused on eating meat How incredibly difficult it was to bring the level of calories up that I needed to match You know and that was just focused on eating meat and so you know applying that same kind of starting strategy of You know seeking out meat first and then going on to vegetables and then you know starchy carbohydrates I think it's a brilliant strategy. It's it really sets you up for You know staying on that sort of lean tape. Oh, it's super satiating like my goal is to be satisfied after my meat and vegetables That's the goal like well and by the way, I use the word satisfied.  I can't breathe. I'm totally full Satisfied is like I'm cool. I feel good, right? That's the feeling that I'm aiming for So I aim to be satisfied with the proteins and but you know, here's again studies show that protein is very satiating Also, typically your protein comes with some fat So what you're getting are your essential macronutrients the ones that your body needs to have Carbhydrates, although they have value for performance and other things. They're not essential So it just makes sense to to prioritize the things that will Make your reduce your appetite and also give you the essential macronutrients Well, there's got to be somewhat of a muscle sparing effect here also, right? Because or at least for me I notice that when I'm off the diet and I'm not, you know, tracking or paying attention I'm just eating whatever is in sight I I tend to because of all the habits gravitate towards The carbohydrates first before protein and before long and I've talked to you guys about this many times Yeah, I could easily go four or five days in a row where proteins 40 grams 60 grams in a day But I got plenty of calories, right? 5000 calories just came from Starches and sugars and foods like that that that's what the bulk of it And you got to think that that pair so eating bad Over-consuming on the on the calories under consuming on the protein has got to speed up the process of me pairing down muscle Of course because my body's not getting what it needs to sustain that so it does it does the studies will show that Right. And so simply by also making myself make sure I least hit my protein target So there and that's really kind of how that started it started for me again back into the like when I cared so much About every pound of muscle I was keeping on my body I was more focused on that what I saw as a side benefit was oh, wow When I was targeting that protein intake I ended up not eating as much of the the the sugars and carbs and starchy carbs So I think this is a wonderful strategy that everybody should consider on Thanksgiving And really consider this when you eat out and throughout the year because I think this has helped me tremendously In my last decade or two of like following my nutrition like this totally The next one this one was one that came to me as an adult a little later and it really was super valuable for me And it was to remind myself to be present And be in the moment and this is how it happened, right? I was eating a dish that was Super palatable like super tasty And at this point I would do the on the wagon off the wagon thing with diet So I was kind of young and I'd bulk and cut and do this crazy stuff And I remember looking forward to this holiday meal and looking forward to this dish and right when I got in front of it I couldn't eat it fast enough and I remember at one point realizing that even though there's a bite in my mouth I'm not enjoying the bite in my mouth. I'm only thinking about the one that's on the fork That's about to go on my mouth and I realized I'm not enjoying this what it is. It's like this dopamine hit I'm only anticipating the next bite and that's what I'm after And that's what produced this kind of overeating Speed eating kind of effect. So what I started to do was I started to focus on the food that was in my mouth Not the food that was on the plate or on the fork So I bite put the fork down and enjoy the food that was in my mouth Enjoy the taste of the drink in my mouth. Enjoy the people around me and what happened was this is funny I actually enjoyed the meal more So I didn't eat until I couldn't breathe anymore and I was in pain I was present with the people around me And the food itself was more enjoyable because I slowed down to enjoy every single bite rather than Seeing how fast I could possibly eat this food. Yeah, it's it's interesting once you kind of get in that mindset because for me I used to just Chew the food and then I would wash it down as quick as possible Not realizing that that was like the way that I always ate and it was It was almost like it was a race, but I ended up I would choke on my food I would eat like two big bites and then I try and slam it down with with liquid And once I really started to kind of slow down, you know and be present and then just focus on just chewing it enough So I could actually swallow it without having to drink something with it. So it sounds silly.  It's huge. It helped my digestion. Everything else too. I I didn't realize that was Causing so much stress for me. Do you guys think this is a or Doug? I want to ask you you're the probably the most culturally diverse out of all of us Like is this like a American thing because I feel like when you go to other countries It's it's so much more of a social event than it is just an eating frenzy where I feel in america where That's how a lot of people are and the portions are a lot different. Yeah massive portions and you're shoveling down Do you find that in other cultures? It's it's not like that. Do you think that's us or do you think that's a problem everywhere? I definitely feel like americans really like to eat quickly and eat a lot Um, I mean you often hear about europeans eating for hours. Yeah Yeah, in fact, even when you go to like restaurants, I was gonna say you go to a restaurant I remember the first time when I was in um in paris and Oh, we're eating out it tripped me out because and I actually thought they were being rude at first because they'd never brought The bill over or they you know would check on us every 20 minutes or what like that But it's you look around and people go in and they dying for three hours And it's like a whole event. They don't bring you the bill unless you ask for it. Yeah And there's and there's a long time in between courses. Yeah, I'm so frustrated as a waiter And it's it's like, you know, that's american cultures like that, right? We're all about speed turn those tables Eat faster, you know, it's funny. So my grandfather he eats super fast But I didn't realize this until later He did he did this because when he was a kid he's poor and he needed to make sure he was poor And he would travel at nine years old on his own and find jobs and then the whoever was, you know Paying him and the other workers would provide them with lunch and it was like a big pot of Hot really hot beans or whatever and if he didn't eat it fast, he didn't get any food So he learned this habit of eating fast and I remember when he explained it to me. I'm like Oh, that makes perfect sense.   This will help kind of keep those calories down naturally again without telling yourself I can't have this or I can't do that. It's funny because I I've had clients that I've like talked and communicated this to And they'll be like, you know, it's funny You know when I'm at Thanksgiving dinner like it's about the food and then I'll eat real fast and then we're just like Okay, like what do we do now just drink and sit around and they're like, you know, it's funny when we slowed when we slowed down We're like now enjoying this meal all together for a couple hours or three hours and really having a lot of fun That brings us to this next one and this one I started doing Again later on because I would find that I would eat so fast and I'd go back for seconds so quickly That I would reach this uncomfortable point So what I started to do is I started to tell myself if I want to get seconds That's okay I gotta wait 15 minutes let the food hit first and what would end up happening is half the time I didn't get seconds because that first plate hit my stomach brain got the signal I'm actually full rather than oh, I'm done. Let me get up real quick and grab another plate So it's an easy rule to follow you just say to yourself Like I'll get a plate and then if I finish this plate I'll give myself 15 minutes before I go and not that you're not going to get seconds Oh, you have to do is wait 15 minutes. That's I mean that's obviously similar to strategy I was just mentioning right now and you know what I've never done and we're sitting here having this conversation I'm like, you know what maybe I'll try this this year like You know, there's so many dishes right on the table and kind of like at least I don't know what you're guys family We hit, you know, everyone's kind of either passing their plates around, you know, everyone's scooping the stuffing Okay, then the turkey everyone pass around then we everyone sits and they're done It's like, you know what maybe what I'll do this year is actually just put the turkey on my plate And then I'll eat the turkey wait a little bit Yeah, finish it wait a little bit talk to that then I'll go get something else and then I'll go get something else And maybe I'll try to turn into like a six course meal or something Well, yeah, exactly turn it into like one of those six And that's what gave me the idea is I just did that for my dinner way I went to one of those Michelin star restaurants and it was an eight course meal But I mean the courses are yeah, they're like this. I never got I never got full I felt satisfied at the end. Yeah, but how was your experience right? But it was and it was amazing. Oh, yes Three hours of conversation and a great experience And so maybe I'll try to emulate that where I just put a couple ounces one to two ounces on my plate Eat it have conversation then go back and keep you know It's funny is I eat like that not because now I realize the benefit of it But the reason why I eat that way is because when I was a kid, I don't like my food to touch I don't want food to like mix So I would always have a plate of one thing and then I get another plate of and Jessica makes fun of it Right.  It's like the divided countries Yeah, he's over here, you know potatoes over here. I was kind of the same way. It's hilarious. Yeah All right, here's another one and I love this one because again holidays We got it first of all we got to remember The value of holidays Is to see the to be around the people you're related to your friends People that you love Um, maybe you don't like them all the time, but but on your deathbed often gotta love them But I know on your deathbed you'll think about a lot of these people, right? So it's a once a year or twice a year thing So you're around them and you want to really enjoy this kind of moment And I don't haven't seen my aunt in a while and my cousin's in a while. Let's hang out. Let's talk about Let's talk a little bit. Here's a piece of that and this is one more Kind of hack is invite your family and friends after this long meal We had great, you know Conversation and you took your time and you do those other things and you say, hey, you know what everybody Let's all go on a nice walk outside and I swear Most people are totally game you would think people like no everybody gets excited to do it We all put our jackets on and we all go walk outside I mean I did this last year and my grandfather, you know, he or not last year the year before my grandfather came along You know for the walk it's such a it's such a beautiful time to do this I mean fall is one of my favorite times of the year I mean the trees are all different colors and it's a you know It's a you had the kind of warm days cool mornings and cold nights like and you digest your food so much Yeah, no, this was something that I got I did get her family to do and it is it's become a tradition Where you know after we eat this meal that everybody kind of goes on this little while there's a park That's about a quarter or two a half a mile away from the house And everybody walks down to the park and enjoys conversation then comes back and you just feel a million times better after doing that Again, this is we're saying this for Thanksgiving These are great habits a lot of these things are great habits to do year around But maybe if you've never tried applying this you try applying it for the holiday See how it works and it's something that maybe you carry over into your your normal lifestyle Because this is something that I've tried to implement On the daily is just getting in the habit of not eating and then doing what most people do which is Plop down on a couch and watch tv or drink drinks while you're just sitting there and just consuming calories Yeah, what what what I like to do is you know when the cleaning up starts, right? We'll play music everybody's hanging out kind of cleaning up and then I'll say hey after we're done Let's all go for a walk. Let's all go for a family walk and everybody in the first time I said it You know, I thought people like I don't want to everybody was like, yeah, let's do this And it's not you're not you're not walking super fast and I got my aunts and my uncles and you know But we're walking slow. We're walking outside.  All right, here's the last one and this is a game Changer adam you kind of alluded a little bit to this Early in the episode where you said, you know, it's not that one meal that gets people to gain weight It's all the snacking and eating that happens in I don't know about you guys But Thanksgiving for me or Christmas for me can last a week or longer Because of all the leftovers. Yeah, like I go to I go to eat, you know this There's this one dish that we make for Christmas and it's called pasta al forno Okay, so it's the little circle pastas and it's with sauce and cheese and meat and You know artichoke hearts and just this this very it's a calorie-heavy delicious Sicilian dish But they'll make so much of it and we'll take so much home I don't just have it for Christmas. I end up having it for the whole week afterwards So one thing I started doing is I started saying I'm gonna eat the meal and then leftovers. No, thanks I don't want I'm not going to take any leftovers It ends here and I go back to normal and it makes a tremendous difference on my total No, that's that's a must for me especially since I have a sweet tooth Katrina's family loves to make the the pies and desserts And if there's and that's what the most leftover like I don't mind like, you know, I talk to you know Like you have grass from turkey if we got some extra turkey. That's a good point. I'll take turkey Yeah, we can use some turkey later on that's not that's not a problem But it's the mashed potatoes and gravy.  It's because they know Yeah, you don't want it. Well, that's why I'm always making somebody mad when I don't take leftovers But yeah, I started doing that for the last few years and again to your point I tried to like at least be reasonable and grab some of the stuff that's not like quite as You know sugar-ridden and like, you know the the main like starchy carbs stuff Like I'll take some of the vegetables and the meat but like I have to not have that in my house Yeah, no, you'll see me in here like I'll come to work and I'll have like turkey You know from from thing but I don't get I don't get the pies because that'll I'll crush that. Yeah, I'm not taking the snack your neighbors. I'm not taking the cookies I might take some of the vegetables, you know stuff that I'll eat normally But otherwise I stay away from all that other stuff and that's okay if they get upset, you know I don't know about you guys, but I have a good excuse. I could always be like, oh my good health is not So good And then my aunt leaves me alone or whatever, but it's it makes a big difference and also it also Makes the holiday in my opinion special because it's that meal. It's that holiday And then the rest of the time, you know, you're back to normal or whatever or maybe you do your post Thanksgiving workout like I do Um, and again, we need to remember the the real value of holidays It's not the oh, it's a holiday. I'm gonna eat until I'm uncomfortable.  I'm gonna eat until I feel sick That's not enjoyable and but we know what leads to that, right?  The spirit of holidays is family friends Present and it's okay to enjoy food for its taste But actually enjoy the food Don't just shovel it in your face and eat as fast as you possibly can We didn't we actually did on our our list was and didn't include alcohol, but I'm just curious to like How you guys manage alcohol consumption on on Thanksgiving Is it something that you don't do at all because you don't really care for it that much? Is it something you for sure like but then you have little boundaries and rules like or how do you guys deal with alcohol consumption on on Thanksgiving depends on which family I'm uh doing Thanksgiving Which one's more stressful? No, it's just which one I'm not to make sure and uh account for all these extra calories Yeah, so I I definitely have to like be conscious of that with with certain Family groups and whatnot because it is it's a great social lubricant And so it's I don't honestly I enjoy it But just try to make sure that it's not something that gets away from me And it's something that I enjoy like after dinner. Yeah, and it's not so I'm like not constantly just having a glass in my hand Yeah, uh because that's easy to do because sometimes it's a little awkward You know, maybe like some people are talking about subjects. You don't want to talk about like I'll end up just going outside now Get this fresh air playing with the kids like there's other strategies there But yeah, just like try to enjoy one two and and just you know do I've moved on to something like Like a whiskey on the rocks or something where I can sip it really slowly and that again It's this whole slow concept for me. It really works. You know in all facets. Yeah, it's it's uh, those uncomfortable holiday holiday conversations They're gonna be hot this year Covid politics and we're doing it for everybody, right? Say what I'd say the last two years It has to be like the two of the most like stressful. Thanksgiving probably right probably with covid and all the politics and stuff Like that. I think that I would imagine last year and this year is probably two of the hardest I should be the rule like just nobody can talk about I started changing the conversation And it and everybody knows it and I annoy people on purpose So they'll say oh, did you see that study on the on the vaccine or oh look at those mandates or what about this and That and then I'll say something completely off and everybody knows like oh south trying to get us to stop talking about this kind of stuff But yeah, it's uh, we're not big alcohol drinkers.  So I'm gonna have a little bit of cannabis and then I'm you know I'm enjoying myself and I'm not drinking alcohol Not saying no go do that. But that's just me, you know what though You guys both just brought up something that again with this wasn't added in our list of hacks But it it does probably make a lot of sense that You know when you're talking about stressful conversations that people tend to probably Over-indulge both alcohol and food and so to try and avoid Conversations like that and stick to positive Stuff gratitude things that are going well in our life Try and steer the conversation as much as you can that way because I imagine you're you guys aren't alone In this where people go to a family and they have very different political views than other family members Conversation starts going that way your way of not talking is by shoving food in your mouth or by drinking something So probably in your best interest to probably keep it light. Here's a little sales. Yep sales technique Okay, whoever asks the questions directs the conversation So if you ever want to change a conversation You ask a question so your uncle, you know comes up and he's like, oh Trump's the greatest thing since sliced bread or Biden's amazing or whatever and you're like, oh, here we go Be like, hey, what happened? You know, how is the football game that you saw yesterday or hey? How's your son doing? I haven't seen him in a while you ask a question You change the direction of the conversation Make it something positive. This is a old sales technique. Yep. It's quite effective Not always foolproof. So you might have to just walk away sometimes go outside go for a walk or whatever Look, if you like our information head over to mind pump free.com and check out all of our guides We have guides that can help you with all of your fitness goals You can also find all of us on instagram. So justin is that mind pump Justin I'm at mind pump Sal and Adam is that mind pump Adam? 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This is Think Tech Hawaii, Community Matters here. Well, and welcome to Stand on the Energy Man here on Think Tech Hawaii. I'm Stan Osterman from the Hawaii Center for Advanced Transportation Technology, and this may be a brand new year and nice, quiet, beautiful, cool Hawaiian day, but it's the start of the red-hot legislative session coming up soon.  We get notices of, you know, meetings coming up and update hearings coming up, so I'm really fortunate today to have snagged a really great guest who's high on the I Want to Meet with you list, and that's our representative Mark Nakashima from Hilo, and he has got a key position now. He's the Vice Speaker of the House of the Hawaii State Legislature. So, Rep Nakashima, so thankful you could join me today. I know how busy you are. And just wanted to talk about, hey, what's new in energy and things, and what's new in the legislature, but especially things going on in energy, and particularly things going on in the big island, because that's, you know, your backyard, and hopefully soon to be my backyard. And we'll check on things there, but what's up? Well, you know, I think this coming year is looking to be different and exciting in some ways. There have been some minor changes in the legislative lineup in terms of our chairpeople. A long time, Energy and Environmental Protection Chair Chris Lee has moved to the Judiciary Committee. And Nicole Lohan, who has served as Vice Chair of the Committee for a number of years, succeeds as Chair of the EEP. And so, you know, I'm looking at not too much of a policy change in terms of direction, but you know, I think your new eyes and thinking in the committee. So, you know, hopefully we'll see some good things coming out of Environmental Protection, Energy and Environmental Protection this coming year. You know, on the big island, we are looking at completing the fueling station, the hydrogen fueling station at NOHA. And so that's kind of exciting. And once that's done, you know, I guess we're waiting for the deployment of tree hydrogen fuel cell buses to the big island to start their demonstration projects. I've heard that National Park isn't sure if they're going to take theirs or not, and how we might redeploy those to Hawaii County or others. But you know, I think that will also be a game changer having the first hydrogen fuel cell vehicles on Hawaii Island. So, you know, that's really exciting to look forward to. That is exciting. And it's also exciting. I mean, we're going to have Rep Loan here as a guest next month. I know she's going to break away, you know, being the brand new chair of that committee and getting nowhere, but she's committed to a show already. And yeah, I'm very familiar. In fact, the bus was delivered, the Helion bus was delivered about two days after Christmas. It got off the ship and cleared the port. And the U.S. cyber guys took it up to Kunien, they're fine tweaking it and just fine tuning it and ready to ship over to the big island. I know the station's pretty much been ready to run. And Mitch has just been holding off to make sure the bus is ready and timing. It may actually be a really good thing that volcanoes not sure they want to take the buses or not, because those two buses are just ready to rock and roll. And they could easily get over there and jump in the mix as another pair of Helion buses, depending on how the financing works out. So, well, Mitch Ewen is also a host on the shows here at Think Tech. And I think he'll probably, when the decision's made on that, we'll finally find out. But it'd be really good if we could get three hydrogen buses running around Kona on the big island. That would be awesome. And Mitch's station is a game changer for a couple reasons. It has a fueling station for cars or buses, but it also has two refueling posts and two trailers. The trailer hydrogen, which we're supposed to be for up at the volcano. But if those things are now available, that means that he could actually move hydrogen anywhere on the big island to a station or to help support the transportation sector. And that would be awesome. I also understand that in the plans for NOHA's continued development, there is a vendor that is coming in to provide a restaurant, grocery and filling station. And there is also interest in actually putting a hydrogen fueling pump on a commercial property in NOHA's boundary. So I think that's kind of exciting too, where all of a sudden we have the first station and three buses, and suddenly there's a commercial opportunity also kind of almost immediately available. So we're looking forward to seeing how that plays out. And I think that as this grows and develops here, it will really set Hawaii Island and especially that West Hawaii side kind of ahead of the game in terms of hydrogen fuel technology. And the big island is the perfect place for all this because the distances, the mountains, the things that make electric transportation a challenge, the things that hydrogen kind of shines in in that electric transportation area. The big island has all those things where, you know, putting an electric bus in a while could be battery, could be hydrogen, but on the big island, it's going to be hydrogen. You know, it's like battery buses and things like that just are probably not going to hack it because of the ranges that you have to cover and things like that. So we're looking forward to the hydrogen really growing up there. And what kind of things in the legislature, do you see any incentives or anything that, you know, we've been working on a couple of proposals over the last few years, things like trying to make sure that hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are counted as electric vehicles under the law so that we don't have to change every law that affects electric vehicles to also say hydrogen vehicles, things like that. Are there any pieces of legislation you're aware of that are coming through? Well, I know that, you know, I think we're going to revisit that issue again, especially since, you know, now for this year, for the first time, we actually have hydrogen fuel cell vehicles available in state here on Oahu. And I think that, you know, that in itself is really exciting. That, you know, that Toyota has provided the Mirai car here on the island. And with that, I believe that, you know, we definitely need to address the hydrogen fuel cell technology that having that platform included, you know, in the state laws to provide some incentives for those owners. All right. I noticed there was an article, and I get it from, it's from a really small newsletter, but it talked about Hawaiian Electric getting a lot more on the grid with energy storage, kind of leading the charge in the utility world for energy storage for renewable energies, particularly intermittent renewable energy. And they're kind of touting that Hawaii actually has more grid energy storage, or is scheduled to be shortly to have more energy, grid energy storage than the rest of the United States combined. And I found that, if that's factual, and I haven't checked that fact, but that's a huge thing. But the number they put out there was just over a thousand megawatts, which isn't anywhere near what he goes going to need just to get a Oahu covered by 2045 for energy storage. So from my perspective, that looks like hydrogen to me. That's the sweet spot for hydrogen on the grid. And what do you think the chances are of finally getting the PUC at Hawaiian Electric to start taking hydrogen seriously as energy storage on that scale? I think that it's really important for that to be seriously considered. A number of years ago, as I was pushing the hydrogen economy and trying to expand it out, one of the things that we did is we met with several of the power producers that were using the intermediate energy, the solar, the wind energy folks, and met with them to discuss the possibility of manufacturing hydrogen during the off peak hours, storing that and using that as their backup to provide energy onto the grid when the demand was there. Many of them already had a battery storage and they weren't looking at changing that technology that they had already invested in. But I think as we move forward, it's a good time to start looking at hydrogen manufacturing as a method for that fuel storage now because not only is it more transportable than the batteries, but I think it will prove to be a cleaner long-term solution for Hawaii. I agree with you 100% and I'm looking forward to it, especially on the Big Island. One of the things that happened this past year that I think got everybody's attention, and I'm not sure whether it's in a good way or a bad way, is in your area, the volcano, pumping out a bunch of lava over in Puna and that affecting Puna geothermal. And on the good news side, when people saw how much of the power was gone when that Puna geothermal closed during the eruption, they got their attention that that was producing actually a lot more power than most people really anticipated. And number two, the fact that in Puna, a lot of land was covered, but Puna geothermal wasn't covered. It was touched, but it wasn't really inundated. And there's been a lot of talk about, is Puna geothermal going to come back and when? Can you kind of enlighten us on maybe the discussion in Hilo area and the Big Island on geothermal in general? Can we look forward to geothermal as a future energy source, clean renewable energy source in Hawaii to go along with solar and wind? So I think if we can include geothermal, and by the way for the audience, I'm not just talking geothermal only on the Big Island. There's geothermal on Maui, there's geothermal on Oahu. But geothermal in the state as a potential baseline energy firm power that the electric companies need to generate, is there a future in Hawaii for that, or are we kind of bogged down in not here, it's not going to happen here? Fortunately or unfortunately for nuclear as well. I don't ever see nuclear happening in Hawaii, just don't see it happening. But how about geothermal? You kind of lived in that world for a long time. Yeah, you know when put a geothermal flows down, the Hawaii Island lost the source for 30% of its base power. And up until that point in time, Hawaii Island led the state in terms of renewable energies being used for electricity. As we speak, I know that put a geothermal is looking at how they might reopen. Put a geothermal, when all of this inundation occurred and they couldn't get to their plan, they continued to keep all of their staff on payroll, on standby, working to make sure that the equipment was being maintained, that everything that could be worked on was being worked on, keeping it safe. And the latest update that we had is that they were looking at reopening. What we understand is that reopening is not going to be a quick thing either, it's probably going to be a year process for that to occur. But once they reopen, they will be able to come back into the mix and again provide power for Hawaii Island. One of the things that we are looking at is other opportunities to expand geothermal beyond that put an area where it is into other areas of the island that have been identified as having some potential possibility for geothermal. And as you've said, as we look at various research and surveys, there have been identified areas on every island except Oahu for geothermal opportunity. And so I think we need to continue to investigate that, to look at that possibility, because it is definitely clean energy, it's definitely renewable. I think in terms of the environmental needs and desires for Hawaii, it's one of the best opportunities available to us. Now there are those detractors that have concerns over the current operation of the current plan. And I think that if we are able to really go with the newest technologies available, that those kinds of concerns can definitely be mitigated. We're going to take a quick break here and let some of the other programs here on ThinkTech tell you about themselves. And we'll be back with Reb Nakashima in about 60 seconds. Aloha. I'm Wendy Lo, and I'm coming to you every other Tuesday at 2 o'clock. Live from ThinkTech Hawaii, and on our show, we talk about taking your health back. And what does that mean? It means mind, body and soul. Anything you can do that makes your body healthier and happier is what we're going to be talking about. Whether it's spiritual health, mental health, fascia health, beautiful smile health, whatever it means, let's take healthy back. Aloha. Aloha. My name is Mark Shklav. I am the host of ThinkTech Hawaii's Law Across the Sea. Law Across the Sea is on ThinkTech Hawaii every other Monday at 11 a.m. Please join me where my guests talk about law topics and ideas and music and Hawai'i Ana all across the sea from Hawai'i and back again. Aloha. Hey, welcome back to Stand and Energy Man on ThinkTech Hawai'i on my lunch hour again. And we're talking to Reb Nakashima for the State Legislature. He's the new Vice Speaker of the House for the State House of Representatives.  In fact, right in his backyard is Pune Geothermal and all the volcanic activity. So he's definitely up to speed on what's been going on over there for the last six months or more. And we're talking to him about renewable before we went on break and about geothermal power. So I'd like to pick up where we left off there and just kind of keep pulling that thread a little bit. Where are some of the other places on the Big Island, if you can talk about it, that people are looking at maybe tapping into geothermal. It's not all right in Pune, correct? It's not all in Pune. There are potential spots closer to Ka'u on the saddle between Mauna Kea Mauna Loa. By PTA? By PTA, they've identified a spot. There's been some mention that Huala Lai over in Kona might have a potential. The potential has been identified, but whether or not there really is a source, a sufficient source of energy remains to be seen. And that would require some investment and exploratory drilling to make that determination. And at this point, no one has put that kind of investment up to see whether or not those potential resources would pan out. Yeah, and right now just an observation. I don't see the state legislature having a big appetite for doling out a lot of money for surveys and things like that and trying to do that kind of work. But to bring a big company in, there's got to be potential for a business proposition for them to do something. So we could potentially get a large company in that would front the money to do something like that. But is Hawaii ready for that? Is Hawaii ready for a large-scale geothermal having a big company come in and take over the money part of it? I think a lot of it would depend on the location selected and whether or not there were a lot of population in the area being looked at. Right now, with the geothermal, it is kind of in the middle of a very populated area, at least up until the lava flow. It is a very populated area. And unfortunately, a lot of the folks that have been complaining a lot of this came to the area after the plant was already there. So I think we'd have to look at also land use planning in the area if we're going to explore geothermal further to ensure that we don't have that kind of conflict between neighborhoods and really an industrial zoning area. Well, one of the things that I've been made aware of over the years, in fact, I was made aware of it keenly last year when Louis Salveria, head of D-bed, was at a budget hearing. And he was asked what the status was of Hawaii's spaceport on the Big Island because the state has applied for a spaceport license or something from the FAA and NASA or whoever. And I know that activity would be on the Big Island. Are you familiar with what the spaceport entails and things? Because from my perspective, if we did go as far as liquid hydrogen on the Big Island and producing it from geothermal, that would be another customer or another market for liquid hydrogen. Is some vertical launch like rocket, small rocket space exploration? Well, the spaceport application that the state of Hawaii made was for Kona Airport. It was the horizontal taking off where it would take off and land like an airplane and then shoot up into the space. So it was really more of the space tourism type of model that we were pursuing for Kona. Right now on Hawaii Island, we are also looking at the possibility of small satellite launches. 40-foot, 50-foot size spaceport. Using the smaller rockets. And that might be another potential. I think it was just recently announced that they're going to begin the environmental assessment process, which is required by the FAA before they issue the license for a spaceport. And so we're on the very infancy of that public proposal. Well, just something to think about as a former aviator and doing a lot of flying out of the state of Hawaii. Hawaii is very unique and Hawaii Island is specifically more unique in that there's very little FAA traffic that goes anywhere near the southern part of the Big Island other than tourism kind of stuff. I mean, in terms of jetways that crisscross, there's probably few places in North America, including Alaska, where you even could launch vertical takeoff rockets. Even Florida is, you know, they're in a saturated area with some traffic. But the pluses for space launches is being close to the equator. And South Point of the Big Island is farther south than Florida. So we kind of win there. We're in an area where there's very little, in fact, zero. There's zero FAA traffic over South Point of the Big Island. I can guarantee you there's no jet routes that go over there. There's one jet route that comes close and it goes between Honolulu and Tahiti, and they only use it a couple days a week. So even that one is, and even that one is still probably 100 miles away from South Point of the Big Island. So there's a lot of great geographical advantages for space operations in Hawaii that are found nowhere else in the United States. And that would be a great thing to, I think, focus on to help our economy. Not just from the tourism side, but from the overall high-tech job side, space exploration side, and the commercial satellite industry side. I think it'd be terrific if we can do something like that. The one exception, I think, to that is we do get a lot of helicopter traffic from tourism. And I think that a benefit to the residents of having the rocket launching in your area is that there's a zone that has to be kept clear of any traffic during a period of time. And that may lead to relief to a lot of these folks that are tired of the helicopters. So that may be a trade-off for them. Well, yeah, they'd put out what they call notums, notice to airmen, and shut down airspace. Because we did it in the military all the time, where we had military working areas where anybody could technically legally fly through there, but you wouldn't want to fly through there with a bunch of military airplanes flying around. So we would put a notice to airmen, and they would basically tell all the commercial and civil aviation, hey, this area is going to be worked by the military during that time, or NASA. So, yeah, stay out of there. And I don't think legally they could stop somebody from flying through there, but you have to be kind of silly to want to fly through there during that time. So it definitely would help to tell some of the traffic. So this one is FAA, so I think that when something happens, then they do have control of our aircraft, right? Yeah, if something happened and you got in an accident, it would be your fault. Definitely your fault, because you've been warned not to go in there. Yeah. So we covered the big island a little bit. We covered geothermal. Another big piece of equipment that's over on the big island that is right next to Mitch's Hydrogen Station, as a matter of fact, is the OTEC. And have you been tracking their technology and where it stands right now? Well, yeah, I remember as a schoolboy, you know, that's the first time we did OTEC. Gary Yoshi was governor back then, and they started that first OTEC plan. And it ran for a number of years. And since then, it's been kind of underground, not really making a lot of noise. However, I know that in the last several years, several companies have been pursuing the OTEC technology and seeing if they could make it work. I know we have a working prototype plant at the Nelha right now. You've got kind of stones throw away from the hydrogen cooling plant. And I know that they are looking at going to try to find a way to get to the next level and bring a larger plant online. Yeah, because that would be another source of really firm base load power for the utilities to use on the grid and help them with their grid stabilization. Yeah. And every year, annually, there is an OTEC conference held at Nelha. And I believe it's with Okinawa, where we've had this energy partnership and technology sharing partnership to kind of discuss and advance that OTEC technology as well as other grid efficiency type of program. Okay, great. Well, believe it or not, we kind of blasted it through 30 minutes or anything. All right. I don't want to cap it up, but I want to thank you for your support, A, of clean energy in the state because you've been a champion for your whole time in the legislature and before. And especially your support on hydrogen. I know you're probably the first legislator I talked to when I moved into HCaT and you're trying to beat me up over when hydrogen was going to happen. So thanks for your support in hydrogen. And we hope that this year during the legislature, you can make a difference in why it cleaned and greened and get us off of fossil fuels. So thanks for being here with us today. All right. Thank you. We'll be watching for a big eye on things and what's going on in the legislature with your leadership. All right. Thanks very much. Thank you. Thanks everybody else for joining us today. And we'll see you next week on Stam Energy Man. Aloha.


Coming up on DTNS, Facebook acquires an open map company, IBO learns a new trick, and we salute some tech pioneers who made the tech we have today possible. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, Juneteenth, June 19th, 2020 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. From Studio Colorado, I'm Shannon Morse. Drawing the top tech stories from Cleveland, Ohio, I'm Len Peralta. And I'm the producer, Roger Chang. We were talking a lot about dealing with burnout and stress in the world today on Good Day Internet. And I think it helped us all feel, maybe a tiny bit better. You could feel a little better too. Become a member and get Good Day Internet at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Japan is ready in its COVID-19 contact tracing app called Coco, which stands for COVID-19 Contact Confirming Application. Japan commissioned a team of Microsoft developers to create the app based on Apple and Google's API. Tokyo-based company Code for Japan was originally leading the project, but because Apple and Google only allow software to be managed by a public health agency, the project was transferred to the Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare, while a new developer was found. We have been following Apple Store openings and closures as a bit of a canary in the coal mine for tech retail during the pandemic. Most of the news has been about openings with 154 of 271 U.S. stores, but Apple does plan to close 11 stores as well in Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, and South Carolina, out of an abundance of caution. Mozilla introduced its VPN service Firefox private network last year, then expanded it to Android devices offering a free VPN app, and Friday, Mozilla announced its now-named Mozilla VPN app, and will be open for beta testing on Windows, iOS, and Android nationwide in the U.S., and launching publicly in a few weeks. The browser version will also transition to a subscription-based plan for $2.99 a month. We mentioned on the show yesterday that Twitter was taking some heat for not providing accessibility options for its new audio tweets feature. Twitter software engineer Andrew Hayward noted that Twitter has no formal accessibility team. Instead, it relies on employees to voluntarily develop accessibility features. The company told The Verge it's exploring creating a more dedicated group. Germany's parliament amended its Network Enforcement Act to require online platforms to report to the Federal Criminal Police Office content that indicates the fulfillment of criminal intent or that will have a long-lasting impact on the freedom of expression by other users on the platform. Similarly, France's constitutional counsel has deemed a law governing illicit content online as unconstitutional. That law said that any content considered as an offense or a crime in the offline world must be removed from online platforms within 24 hours of being flagged. The French court ruled that the time window would make it difficult for platforms to rule on illicit content. It basically said they didn't have enough time to do it, which would mean some platforms would censor content too quickly infringing on freedom of speech. All right, let's talk a little bit more about IBO. Hey, Shannon, IBO still exists. IBO does still exist. It's so surprising. Sony released a software update to the IBO that will let the robot dog meet users whenever they come home. Users assign a meeting place to the IBO with a vocal command. They say, this is where you should go. And the IBO lowering its head for a virtual sniff, which will show that the location is actually stored whenever a user goes to the assigned place and says, I'm home, the IBO will come up to greet the arrival. And over time, the IBO will learn a user's typical schedule and wait at the spot to greet its owner. And just a reminder, the IBO sells for twenty nine hundred dollars. Man, that's too expensive of a robot dog for me. But I love the idea. I really do. And I have a real dog. So if it gives me any pleasure the way that, you know, a dog greeting its owner and happy to see you back at your place of residence. I mean, I love I love the kind of the the the the schedule part of this, that, you know, the idea that the dog will kind of learn your routines and, you know, be happy for you and, you know, wag its tail and do its IBO stuff. But yeah, I don't know. It's almost three grand. Fifty dollars per bag of dog food, that bills and toothpaste. That's a good point. I mean, I don't know. It depends on how long the IBO lasts, whether it's actually cheaper or not, because it doesn't have any ongoing maintenance. I think, you know, more seriously, it is an interesting robot that we forget is out there in the public, right? We think of IBO as like, oh, that weird thing Sony had back in the late 90s, early 2000s that went away. And then they're trying to bring it back. But this is now using machine learning. It's using voice recognition. It's using a lot of the things we see in a lot of different products altogether in one product that may not be specifically practical yet, but it's showing off a lot of what this can do. And I think it is in some ways a template for what maybe some more practical robots could do in the future. Because being able to say that learn this, this is the place and have it over time start to figure out, oh, that's that's when he usually shows up at that place. I will go wait for Tom there. I that that's a big advance. That's a big advance in a practical demonstration of machine learning. May not be particularly useful. It's just entertaining, but I think it's worth keeping an eye on. Well, and and entertaining, but also a sense of companionship.  But maybe just that, you know, sort of feeling of happiness, some endorphin rush, you know, it's it's there's something there too. Definitely. Well, this Monday, this coming Monday, we're going to find out the latest things that Apple wants you to know that it's doing some of it. We probably won't hear about, but we will hear about some other stuff because it's WWDC. Today we have a couple leaks from a couple of reliable Apple followers. First, he's kind of new, but increasingly reliable Apple leaker John Prosser posted two images of what he says are product C68, which is the charging pad from Apple that would do what the once promised air power would have. Apple kind of talked about it and then it went away. Charging Apple Watch, AirPods, iPhone, one charging pad would be very cool if that was indeed announced. The other leak is from Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, who published an in depth report of Apple's roadmap for both AR and VR. Gurman says that Apple is working on a headset code named N301 for next year and a pair of lightweight glasses codenamed N421 for 2023. So that's out of ways a bit, but it sounds like Apple's still working on that AR project. Yeah, I feel like there's a there's a shot we might hear about this charging pad on Monday at WWDC, although they may wait to to announce that for a hardware related announcement. WWDC is usually focused on the operating systems. Sometimes they do hardware, sometimes they don't. I found the Gurman article much more revelatory, right? It's kind of cool that they might do a charging pad. The roadmap for AR and VR we've all been wondering about for a long time. And this idea that what they've been waiting on is sort of a balance between design. There was a lot in here about how Johnny Ive wouldn't let them do certain things that they wanted to do because he was like, you just can't make that work well design wise, which is typical historical Apple tension, right? Where design and function kind of combat for what you should do. And the fact that that because of that, we might get a more scaled down virtual reality headset, but one that really has high resolution, has great immersiveness. I'm very curious to see where we're going. And I wonder if we'll get any hints. We always get a little augmented reality news at WWDC. I wonder what kind of hints we're going to get this year. Well, the fact that the whole show, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Shannon. Oh, it's OK. I just from an Android perspective, I do hope that Apple brings some kind of new AR and VR technology and maybe does make these glasses something that's actually acceptable because I was in the camp of I really liked Google Glass and I thought that would be really amazing to have that kind of heads up display. So I would love to see them continue it and make it popular for this large amount of consumers that use Apple products so that eventually maybe it'll be acceptable at Android land as well. And Apple's just had a weird year as many tech companies have, you know, stores closed, stores opening. You know, the WDC is now virtual. I wonder how much this will change what what we, you know, as you said, Tom, at WWDC, you kind of hear about certain things and not others because those are reserved for events maybe later in the year at different times. Maybe it'll kind of be business as usual, but it's hard to say. Swedish crowd sourced mapping and street imagery startup Mapillary announced Facebook is going to acquire it.  The team will join Facebook's existing open mapping efforts. Facebook already was doing open mapping and the Mapillary team says it will stay committed to open street map continuing to provide a global platform for imagery, map data and improving all maps. Now, that's good. That's them saying the right things. But I bet some of you are still saying, yeah, they say that. But how open will it remain? Listen to this. The company also updated its free license to allow commercial uses as well. Mapillary used to let you have free open access to maps from Mapillary as long as you weren't using him for commercial purposes because they needed to make money now that they're part of Facebook. They're like, we don't need to make that money anymore. So everybody can use them for pretty much whatever they want. Facebook recently also acquired Scape, which develops a visual positioning service beyond GPS. And I think Mapillary is probably going to play into Facebook using mapping data, not only for business listings, which you might have guessed, but also for augmented reality because of Scape. Hmm. Yeah. I mean, it sounds like Facebook is doubling down on map efforts. The AR stuff makes a lot of sense to me.  Am I going to be opening up Facebook maps in, you know, using my car play, you know, apps in my car in the future? I mean, it sounds a little farfetched now, but why not?  Is there a place for this standard of open street map? And I think it makes sense commercially, because as Tom and I had previously discussed, this would be great if it was implemented in cars and things like that. But when it comes to like a consumer's perspective, just on your phone, is this something that people are going to go for? Or will they just generally go with what they already know? Yeah, I don't think Facebook intends to come out with a Google Maps or Apple Maps competitor. It sounds like what they want to do is they want to not have to pay those two companies to use maps on its business listings, and they want to have really good map data for augmented reality. And we know through Oculus, Facebook really wants to make good, you know, in the world augmented reality. And they can now promote open street map as a better alternative to Google Maps, because remember, Mapillary is one of the main contributors to Open Street Map. Open Street Map is used by a lot of applications out there. A lot of Android applications use it because it's open and they don't want to have to pay the license. And now that Mapillary's product can be used by commercials services that will help not only adoption of Open Street Map, but adoption of Mapillary, which provides competition to Google Maps and to Apple Maps. So I think that's where Facebook, it's through Mapillary and Open Street Map where Facebook now suddenly is competing with with Google and Apple. And I think that's good because it forces the system to be a little more open instead of being dominated by these two closed systems. Microsoft Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith told Politico that investigators should look at app stores that have created higher created higher walls than anything that existed 20 years ago. He mentioned tools as high as 30 percent. Who could he be talking about? He described the Apple Apple store without saying the app store specifically. But Microsoft confirmed to Bloomberg later that, yeah, Smith meant Apple. So why do you think that Brad Smith is going after a company that is charging tools as high as 30 percent today of all days? What could possibly have been a story we've followed all week long on Daily Tech News Show that could have led him to that? Well, it's the base camp story. It's the Hey email story and it continues today. Apple sent a letter to base camp Thursday, laying out a little more clearly why it will not continue to allow the Hey email app into the Apple store without modification. And I have to say this letter now makes sense to me. I'm not sure I agree with it, but it makes sense. It was not making sense to me earlier in the week. As you may recall, Hey is an email service from base camp that costs $99 a year. Apple says, Hey must include the Apple in app payment system as an option to subscribe or they can't have the app in the app store. Base camp doesn't want to do that because of that 30 percent cut that Apple takes that we mentioned earlier. Even if they just take 30 percent from the iOS app, base camp doesn't want to give them anything. This is odd, though, because as we talked earlier in the week, Apple allows other apps like Kindle and Netflix to exist on iOS without including any option for subscribing. Apple explains in their letter that those are reader apps whose main purpose is to give access to previously purchased content and content subscriptions. So that makes the reader definition a little more sensible. This is like, oh, you theoretically would already have stuff and you need the reader app to access it. In the letter, Apple says example of reader apps are magazines, newspapers, books, audio, music, video, access to professional databases, VoIP, cloud storage or approved services such as classroom management apps, not email. Apple points out that hay is none of those things. And as such, if you download the hay app, it doesn't work from the app store unless you know to go buy a subscription on the hay website. So in the letter, Apple says, look, if base cap wants to avoid offering in app subscriptions, they could add the ability to access IMAP and pop. Apple is trying to help them out. They're like, look, just put the ability for hay to work as an email client for for anything and we'll let it out. Then you can still sell your subscription separately and not use the in app payments and it's fine, but it has to be functional when someone downloads it. Apple writes, quote, under this approach, what you sell on your website is clearly an email service separate from the function of your app as distributed on the Apple store. Your move, base camp, you can add pop and IMAP. Or Apple is going to yank your app from the store. I don't suppose Apple would be cool with base camp saying in the description of the app when you download it from the iOS store. Hey, here's the situation. Here's the link to go get a subscription. You can't do that. Because that would totally. And so and that's the thing is like that would actually be. I don't know. I mean, maybe it's not a great user experience, but that would be the easiest way for the company to get with exactly what they want and explain it to an end user who downloaded the app and is like, how does this work? But you can't do that. So, yeah, I I I think I think hay is going to have to go ahead and and cave here. That that's my that's my thinking of how this is all going to play out because Apple, I don't think Apple, you know, even though there's been bad press or certainly polarizing press about like, you know, who's right and who's wrong in the situation.  I don't think Apple cares that much. Well, Apple's always been extremely strict when it comes to the online store, the iOS stores. But the thing is, even though they are so strict, that also protects consumers in so many different ways, including when it comes to security. So the fact that they have a walled garden to me isn't necessarily a bad thing because the protections are there and it's kind of a safety net in some senses. Yeah, that's true. And I think Apple's walking a very fine and only makes sense to Apple line here, which is like, OK, we don't want to stop people from accessing a database and Kindle is a database. Netflix is a database. Your email is not a database. It's an ongoing service. And if you provide a free version of that, then sure, we'll let your client in because it can access the free version. Whether it's a free version of Hey, or just like, oh, you can also configure it for pop and I'm at. I mean, it's a really Apple is trying to give them an out here to say, like, look, it's a really easy fix. I do get the idea that Basecamp wants to die on this hill. And they want to they want to make a really do. And so I doubt they're going to add I map and pop and they're going to poll Hey, but they also really want Hey to be successful. So yeah, I'm not going to know. Oh, yeah, I will. I will await the next move by Basecamp and or Apple with breath was abandoned. Apple's trying to clue them in the NBA is expected to resume. It's 2020 basketball season in July on July 30th in Orlando without crowds. And according to a memo seen by the athletic, the players are going to be offered the aura, a little smart ring that tracks temperature, heart rate, respiratory rate and sleeping patterns. And that data from the ring would be combined with an app developed by West Virginia University's Rockefeller Neuroscience Institute, which collects other metrics like stress, anxiety and memory. So scientists from the Institute published a study in May that showed their platform could predict the onset of COVID-19 symptoms three days in advance with a 95 percent success rate. In fact, a couple of folks in our audience, JB and Dewey wrote in after we touched on aura that they are actually a part of the test group. Yeah, so cool. Yeah, I mean, I knew this was legitimate. I think it was at CES 2016. But getting those emails from people saying, yeah, I'm out in San Francisco. My fiance is part of the test group or I'm part of the test group. That made a big difference in me kind of understanding like, oh, yeah, this is a real thing that is doing a study. It's not just a press release. It's not just a press release about the NBA. Like, oh, yeah, is including the NBA in a wider or I'm sorry. Or, or a tornado. I knew this was going to happen. Sorry. Or was was has been doing this. And some people have been criticizing them like, hey, maybe you should give this to people who need it more than millionaires playing basketball. And they are they're testing it in a lot of places. It's just they're also going to test it in the NBA, which I don't think there's anything wrong with.   And so if you're if you're a player and you've got this option and it helps you feel better about the fact that you're going to be in close physical contact with a lot of other people, even if there aren't crowds there, you know, it's it's the game itself. I mean, I think that that that is, you know, however you feel about how much, you know, professional sports players are paid, that is, you know, that that's something that can help them sleep well at night as well. I don't even care about sports ball, to be honest. But the fact that they are that aura is going to work with NBA with the athlete athletes. I think that's so smart because athletes already are tracking so much data about their health anyway. They will have this wonderful base palette of information from a whole history of information that they can track. So I feel like it might help them get a much better statistic as far as this COVID-19 symptoms that they'll be able to track. Maybe it'll get even better than 95 percent success rate. Maybe it'll get up to 98 or 99. It'll be very exciting. That's the idea. Like this isn't just doing this. This these are these are scientists doing research. They want a wide representative database. And so I think, yeah, I hope lots of the NBA players take part in this.  And it's like, oh, OK. And I don't think that's, you know, a horrible burden there. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech news each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. I love history. I love tech history. And I love taking a moment to look back at the people who helped create the technologies we benefit from. We always hear about the Steve Jobs in the Bill Gates's. Even the Robert Metcalfs who worked on Ethernet. But there are so many folks who were instrumental in developing the tech we all use that don't get mentioned as often. So we're going to mention some of them today. Starting with peripherals. If you've ever plugged something into a computer, you want to thank Dr. Mark Dean, who co-created the ISA bus, allowing multiple machines to connect to a computer. Dr. Dean also worked on IBM's Color PC Monitor and led the team that created the first one gigahertz risk CPU. In the graphics arena, Dr. Mark Hannah, if you haven't heard of him, he's the co-founder and chief scientist of SGI Silicon Graphics, Incorporated, developed the geometry engine at Stanford with Jim Clark, that early SGI systems were based on. Dr. Hannah also was a pioneer in 3D effects, big pioneer in 3D effects as well, and created an MP3 player for the Game Boy Advance. Collaboration platforms and tools. I mean, we are using those currently to do this show. And one person that we have to thank for that is Dr. Clarence Skip Ellis, the first African-American to earn a PhD in Compsi at Illinois in 1969, who pioneered office talk at Xerox Park and operational transformation for real time collaborative editing, which paved the way for collaborative tools like the ones we use now, Google Docs. Satellite images are something that we were talking about earlier when we were talking about street maps, right? They all use satellite images. Well, Valerie Thomas was responsible for developing the digital media formats, image processing systems used in the early years of the Landsat program, and she spearheaded development of the first satellite to send images from space. We wouldn't have any of those maps if we hadn't figured out how to do that. She also patented the Illusion Transmitter, which simulates a real-time three-dimensional viewing of an object using parabolic mirrors. You know, I think when you say Microsoft, who does that? Microsoft, name a name, people say Bill Gates. Well, John W. Thompson is a pretty big deal at Microsoft as well. He's Chairman of the Board of Microsoft and is focused on stopping cyber attacks. He's also the former CEO of Symantec. And we wouldn't be anywhere with any of our software programs if it didn't have, if we didn't have coding, if we didn't have programming. So Kimberly Bryant is someone who was an electrical engineer at Westinghouse DuPont, Genentech, and she founded Black Girls Code, which is a organization that brings young black women into programming programs to teach them coding. You know, I like dipping back into the 19th century. So let's talk about Lewis Howard Latimer. Latimer helped develop the patent for Alexander Graham Bell's design of the telephone. And then after working for Bell said, well, let me work for Thomas Edison, too. He was the only African-American member of the Engineering Division at the Edison Company and developed not only the flush toilet, but also a method to make carbon filaments for light bulbs. If you hadn't figured out how to make those filaments, it wouldn't have the light bulb. Roscoe L. Coontz created the pinhole gamma ray camera and collatimer used to align two or more devices to set towards a proper focus. Collimated, rather, laser beams use this technology. And one of the first groups of health physicists through the Atomic Energy Health Physics Fellowship training program at the University of Rochester was Dr. Coontz as well. All right, who's using a microphone right now? Oh, that would be all of us. All of us. James Edward West. He developed more than 250 patents for production and design of microphones and techniques for creating polymer foil electrics. His compact, efficient mic designs are still used in telephones today as well. And game cartridges. We all kind of miss game cartridges and blowing on them to make them work and they wouldn't ever have become game cartridges and popularized video gaming like they did if it hadn't been for two people. Ed Smith, who worked on cartridge based video games and a competitor for Apple in the early days called the Imagination Machine 2 and Jerry Lawson, who helped really pioneer cartridge based video games at Fairchild Semiconductor. Thanks to all these people we've mentioned for their contributions to the tech we have today. We literally could not have done this show without the work and contributions of these people. So happy Juneteenth. Hey, joining the conversation in our discord, which you can join by linking to a Patreon account at patreon.com slash dtns. It's a fun group in there. Think you'll like it. All right, let's check out the mailbag. Oh, let's do it. David actually sent us a message on Patreon and said in response to our story yesterday about Twitter adding audio tweets and is this a bad idea and accessibility issues and all sorts of stuff. David says, I'm looking forward to them. I work with the blind as an assistive technology instructor, and I think audio tweets will be super helpful for short demos of using a screen reader or bugs or demos of audio games for the blind and more when dealing with disabilities, there's often a spectrum and situations where one tool aids one group but doesn't aid another. So obviously audio tweets would really benefit from automated transcription at some point for the deaf or the deaf and blind or others with hearing impairments, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't be great for low vision and blind folks who have no hearing impairments now. In other words, it's a process and every company goes through this. Often features are iterative and given Twitter's track record. I think they'll add those a 11 y features much as they added ALT text stuff for pictures. I think that's ally. The a 11 why it's just a way of writing. It's very leet way of writing ally. I thought I thought I was trying to be lead, but OK. Yeah, yeah, I could be wrong about that. I may be making a fool of myself right now, but that's my guess. Hey, thank you, David. That's a really good perspective. And yes, Twitter can do better. Twitter has said it can do better, but that doesn't mean it hasn't done some good. Thank you for reminding us of that. Shout out to patrons at our master and grandmaster levels, including Bjorn, Andre, Tim Ashman and Philip Shane. And Len Peralta has been drawing during the show. What have you drawn for us today, Len? Well, first off, Tom and company, thank you so much for that great discussion story of those notable names and technology. I felt that I had to do something that was as as interesting and and relevant. And this is called notable names and technology. The Juneteenth edition. And I think it's a good example for people to remember that these these names are are important. Like you said, you wouldn't be able to do half the things you do if it wasn't for these notable names. These are names that should be known. And, you know, I was really super proud to be able to participate and draw them and let people know more about them. This is incredible, Len. Thank you. I have a little story about this was crazy. Maybe I'll say that for the after show. But this piece is notable names and technology. Juneteenth edition is available right now at my Patreon at patreon.com forward slash Len or my online store at Len Peralta store dot com. Also, thanks to Scali 2909, who said the A11Y equals accessibility. I asked how to pronounce it. And they said, I don't know. That's why I don't have the mic. So but but it has to do with accessibility. So thanks for that that correction there. Also, thanks to Shannon Morse for being with us today. Shannon, we missed you. It's been too long. What have you been up to? Moving in and making this place look spick and span. But I'm always up to new videos over on YouTube, YouTube dot com slash Shannon Morse. Most recently, I did a whole historical look at QR codes and how you can use those for logging in and for authentication. Pretty interesting stuff. And you can also check out my review of Google Stadia. Excellent. Excellent. Thank you, Shannon. Don't forget you can support this show at any level at dailytechnewshow.com slash Patreon. I know I wasn't here yesterday because I was working on that new series. Know a little more. And if you haven't listened to it yet, go check it out. In the first episode, I explained 5G, what it is, what it isn't, how it may or may not benefit you. Know a little more about 5G. Look for it either in your Patreon feed or subscribe at know a little more dot com. 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Hello and a warm welcome on what is a glorious night for football, perfect playing conditions. I'm Derek Ray, joined here on the commentary box as always by Lee Dixon, and we've got Premier League action coming right up. It's Arsenal up against Tottenham Hotspur. Yeah, thank you Derek, I'm really looking forward to this. Both teams certainly capable of producing some entertaining football. Hopefully we'll get that. And so the start of 11 for Arsenal. Bent Lino begins in goal. Danny Savaios plays with Granite Jacka in the centre of the pitch. And the main forward here is Alex Lacazette. And Spurs will go with this starting 11. Jungmin Son plays with Lukas on the flags. And the focal point in attack today. Harry Kane, running with the ball confidently. Should he really have taken on the shot from that acute angle, Lee? You're judged by your play on the pitch and some of that plays decision making. And he made a poor decision there. Well, it's one thing knowing what Pierre Emmerich Aubameyang is going to do. It's another thing stopping him. Safe to say he's going to be a key figure on this match, Lee. Well, nightmare for defenders. Well, it could be on for him here. And the flag has gone offside. Welcome everyone on a perfect night for football with the floodlights beaming down. Derek Ray here on the commentary box joined as always by former Arsenal and England fullback Lee Dixon. And looking forward to bringing you action from the Premier League coming right up. It's Arsenal up against Tottenham Hotspur. Yeah, thanks, Derek. Both teams will no doubt be looking for a quick start. So important to get focus from the off. Really looking forward to this. Hopefully it won't disappoint. Los Elso, alert defending. Showing a real desire to win it back. And so the starting 11 for Arsenal. Ben Lano stands between the posts. Danny Savaios plays with Granite Jacka in the center of the pitch and getting the vote of confidence in attack today. Alexandra Lacazette. And Spurs will go with this starting 11. Jungmin Son plays with Lukas on the flanks. And the centerpiece of the attack today is Harry K. Able to close down the shot. Clear the way. Danny Savaios defended well.