If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, who ya? For the first 48 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. We start out by talking about our dirty summer jobs. I thought you were going to say dirty Sanchez. Weird direction. Let's talk about Adam's advantage in this contest. He injured his shoulder. Find out why it's an advantage for someone like Adam. We talked about my all day workout update. It worked. I actually got stronger. Pretty crazy.  That's weird. Is that considered cheating? I don't think so. The surprising old name for pit bulls. Back in the day, pit bulls were not known as pit bulls. Sometimes, man, you come up with some random facts. That are true. The new field of medicine that is emerging called nutritional psychiatry. That's exciting. We talk about four sigmatics activated charcoal lemonade. 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I don't think they're doing carnivore, but everybody's eating more high quality meat. Now we are sponsored by ButcherBox. If you go to butcherbox.com forward slash mind pump, we got an even better deal for you now. We actually negotiated something pretty awesome. Here's what you're going to get. Free bacon. Yes, I like it. Two ribeyes. Even better. $10 off and free shipping off your first order. We don't get that. What is wrong with you? All kinds of free meat. Then we get into the next question. The next question was, how do you explain the benefits of weight training to old school martial artists who think if you lift weights, you're just going to get slow and muscle bound. Is lifting weights beneficial for people who want to perform better in martial arts, including the classical martial arts? School me on some Bruce Lee right here. That's right. The next question was, do we think that banned substances used by high achievers aren't actually bad and the government just doesn't want normal people to become more awesome? Are they holding back the superhero serum? Are there a conspiracy going on with the government? Of course there is. Nah, they wouldn't do that. Yeah, you're talking to Sal. Nah, they're super. And the final question was, what are the most beneficial habits that all of us have implemented, that's easy for me to say, into our daily routine. So we talk about the things that we do every single day that we've noticed a lot of benefit from. Also, I'd like to mention this month, MAPS performance. This is actually, believe it. Okay, MAPS performance is one of our most expensive foundational MAPS programs for good reason. It's quite unique. A lot of programming went into it. It is a functional, athletic, muscle-building program with a mobility focus. 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The one that's dropping today that'll be up live is the only way you should be doing a flat dumbbell bench press. And these are just kind of like little tutorials with all the best cues that I used to give to clients teaching. So it's getting great feedback so far. And then hopefully going forward, what we'll start doing for you guys is on the podcast sharing what YouTube video is going up live so you know what's trending currently right now because I know we put out so much content. And that's at Mind Pump TV. That's right. I'm so excited that I brought my boy to work today and we have a bunch of work for him to do. Yeah. I'm just so happy he's in the back right now.  So he's just mundane, find the right shirt, put it in, close it, put the label on. I asked him, I said, how many shirts do you have to do?  Like, good, this is good. Nothing makes you happier as a parent than watching your kid working. For your company. Yeah, especially for your company. Yeah, because there's two main reasons why I'm excited. Number one, it's free labor. Number two, it's no, this is the real reason. Man, it teaches kids responsibility. It teaches them how to work and how to perform. And I want him to learn what me, not with his first real employer, because I could actually, you know, I'm gonna have a little more patience. But he's a good kid. I'm real excited. But it's, come on. Yeah, he'll be fine. And I was telling him earlier, I'm like, he wasn't complaining or anything. He said, but man, when I was your age, when I was 13 in the summer, my dad will wake me up at 5 a.m. Okay, so it's 5 a.m. in the summer. First of all, if the 13 year old, you might as well wake me up at 1 a.m. You might as well not sleep at all. Which I bet you there was sometimes where you did it, because I did this too when I had to get up super early and work.  I'll just play video games for another four hours and go to work. And then I'll sleep the next day. Oh man. No, what I would do is I would sleep in the work van on the way there. And you know what's funny about that? So I'd wake, he'd wake me up 5 a.m. And it was always the same way. Moms and dads, by the way, wake up their kids very differently. My mom would come in. Sal. Like lightly brush your arm. Wake up, honey. Wake up, honey. It's time to get up. Yeah, my dad just turns a light on, pulls the sheets off me. Let's go.   We're already late. Ah! So I'd get up and then I'd sit in the work van and I'd nod off. And my daddy used to love doing this with me.  So we'd have to drive somewhere. So then I would sit in the middle and he had a wood, it was a wood box that was in the middle of the two chairs in the front of the work van. And the work box, I mean excuse me, the wood box served as a like, that's where other tools were stored, but that was also my chair. Yeah. A makeshift. Sounds hella comfortable. And there was, it was a wood box. No seat belts. Well, no, he actually had a rope. That he made. Oh, that's better. Yeah, I'd put it around and that was my seat belt and sit there. And then I'd start nodding off. Oh, that's epic.  No, he hit the, he hit, he pumped the brakes real hard. He'd give me like, oh my God. Jolt you. Yeah.  That's so funny. But I loved it because it was like, I felt like it was one of the guys. That's even better. My dad would pick, so I used to ride with my dad early. Same thing. Like we'd have to go over from Santa, like from Santa Cruz to San Jose and we'd have to pick up one of his other employees and like, so he had a truck. So I actually had like a cab over it. I had to go in the back dude.  So I'm like sitting back there, bumping it all over the place and like huffing gasoline the whole time. He feels so bad about it. Now I always bring that up as like ammo. Like I probably lost a lot of brain cells. All those years working for you. But then we get to the job site. My job would be like six, it's like six AM and it's freezing outside and I have to like spray like his tools down to get him wet cause you know, he would float floors and stuff like that. Or sometimes we get there and he'd be like, okay, I want you to take all these boxes of tiles and I want you to put them on the third floor cause we work on these mansions sometimes. So that was my job all day long. Pick up a box of tile, walk all the way up to stairs. From here, put it over there. Oh yeah. And sometimes he'd be like, okay, now we actually need some in this room over here.  But you know, it was a good time to hang out. There's something weird about that. As a kid, you don't mind it. I think that I think at the age that your boy is that right now and then when we were all out when that was happening is you're wanting to become a man. There's this like, there's like this natural thing that's in you that like, I want to be an adult. I want to be a man. If that means you want to contribute. Right. Is that what it is? I don't know what it was. Like I don't know. Everybody kind of wants to be needed.  Oh cool. Yeah. Like I have something to do. I knew I wanted money. Like I knew I wanted things. You had video games. I didn't know that yet. Yeah. I knew that because there was stuff that I wanted and I couldn't have. And it was like, if you want to get to go to work you got to do stuff for us. So I was like, I'll get up at five in the morning if I have to. I looked forward to lunch. Lunch was my favorite time. Not because it was a break, but because me, my dad and his helper or the other guys that were working there would all sit together. And then I would, they would, because I'm a, you know, because I'm a boy, right? And it's like the, and especially because his workers were always in their 20s or whatever. I felt, they kind of treated me like one of them.  And every once in a while my dad would look at them and I could tell he's telling them like, all right, tone it down now.  But nonetheless, when he wasn't around, man, I heard the dirtiest joke, whatever. So I said, love that. And I said, love being in that environment.  I don't feel like they're a big deal anymore. Like I don't hear kids. I don't hear people share that.  Really? Yeah. What do you say? It has to be with how sensitive everybody is now. Yeah. I feel like people have to be like whispering them now. Yeah. No, we had a lot of bad sexist, racist, everything you name it. Oh, terrible jokes. Yeah.  I said something like, do you, have you heard of the new, like a disease or something called Ligma? And I'm like, what? And he goes, Ligma balls. And he starts laughing. It's already started. Oh, it's beautiful. It's already started. Dude, one of the most miserable jobs I ever had to do with my dad. I remember we used to, so my dad was a contractor and this is my stepfather, right? And I've got to be about your boy's age or so. And I wanted to make some money. And he's like, he had this summer gig and he was to, so it was a new development. All these houses just got built. So we roll up to all these brand new houses. Nobody lives in them yet. They don't even have fences yet. And that's what we're here to do is to connect all these track homes, all the fences. And like, I'm looking down the row and there's, you know, like 20 houses straight down. He's like, so we're going to build the fence for all these houses. And it's like, all right, cool dad, you know, what does that entail? Like, I don't know at that age, right? And it's literally, all you're doing is digging post holes and mixing cement. That's like, literally the entire day. Like those two things have to be like two of the most miserable, like blue-collar things that you could possibly do. Digging a post hole, especially like where we were at too, like just red clay dirt. Oh, it's like impossible to break through. Oh, just to break through. I mean, I myself, I would work on one post hole for like an hour just to get it to where we could get something to get one post in it. Yeah. Then I'd go out to mix the cement. Roofing and plumbing. Those are my two least favorite.  It's like not ideal. I didn't mind roofing as much roofing. I thought there was something. My dad used to do this man. It was so, I thought it was so impressive. He used to run across the house, like the beams, you know, there's gaps down. He could just, he could run across them. Oh my God. Roofers like spiders, dude. And then when he would lay like it was, you know, he's teaching me how to nail, right? And how to do it properly and everything. It'd take me like, you know, six strokes to get it good, like to get a sink of nail all the way in to like, you know, start the framing of the house or laying the plywood down on the roof. And he would grab a fistful of nails like this, right? So there'd be like 40 nails. And he does this tap, sink, tap, sink. It was just, it was so fascinating. Oh, it was so cool to watch. Like it was, the nail gun isn't that much faster than what he could. Dude, that's when you see skill in place. Like every day, like doing the same thing, you get so efficient at it. I used to, when I first went to, when I first was, you know, started going to work with my dad. I was around, I think I was, he'd started bringing me around nine years old, but I didn't really work, you know, nine years old, I'm just kind of hanging around. So he would do it occasionally, but I don't think he brought me all the time because he had to kind of watch me, right? Cause I'm nine years old. But round 12 or 13, I'm actually paying attention. And I remember I had this image of my dad at the age of 12 and 13 were, you know, my dad has, he only went to up to second grade in school. He was very poor growing up in Sicily. And so at the age of, right after second grade, he had to work and he had to make money and try and give it to his mom to help support the family. So I always thought of my dad as this very hardworking, you know, strong dude that didn't, that didn't know much. I always thought he doesn't know much cause he didn't go to school. And I remember when I was 13 and my dad was doing this huge like fireplace. We were at the, I remember where this house was, I think it was up in Atherton and my dad had built himself a reputation in this country really early about, he was just a craftsman, he was really good. And remember he'd been doing this kind of work since he was a child. So we were doing these huge walls and it was very intricate detail with the marble and stone and whatever and they want these designs. And I remember watching him and first he floats the whole wall, which, you know, that takes a lot of skill. But then when he's got it all floated, he takes the, what's it called, the line with the chalk line? And he's sitting there and he's doing the most complicated math that I'd ever seen, right? Especially up until that age still. And he's doing, he's measuring everything out. He's doing all these complicated designs and he's doing us math. And I'm looking at my dad and I'm like, how are you doing all this? And he goes, well, this is just math. I got to figure out where the full pieces are going to be, where the partial pieces are. He goes, you have to plan everything out before you lay it, especially when we're trying to do this complicated design. And then I realized like, well, like, he knows a lot of stuff. I didn't realize that until I saw him do that. And, you know, after that, it was a whole different understanding of, you know, that kind of work. Because up until then I thought it was just, oh, you're just working hard. But there's a lot of skill and stuff that goes into it. There's a lot of skill. Yeah, it's pretty cool stuff. So, Adam. Yeah. Let's talk about your shoulder problem. Oh, dude. Come on. What's going on? So you can rub it in? Grumpy bears back, man. You know what? Bad mood today. I wish this didn't happen. I'll tell you why. Not because you're injured and it's going to slow down your progress. Because I know how dangerous you are when you're an underdog. And this is just making you even more of an underdog. And now you got an injury on top of it. You're going to be very motivated.  Now I know you're going to... This is part of his strategy so we don't like hammer him so hard with our insults. I just know, dude. I know now. Bring it, dude. Bring it. I swear sometimes I get like... I want to kick him when he's down. I'm just supposed to be that guy, dude. Nothing's supposed to be easy, man. Nothing's supposed to be easy. So what happened exactly? You know, I wish I could say exactly what happened. What I know is that I know that I was training back two days ago. And great work. I had an incredible lift. Such an incredible lift that I overreached probably. And so I didn't probably need to do as much as I did. And we talk about this on the show all the time that we're just as guilty of doing this as the average Jane or Joe that we train. You know, I'm highly motivated. Oh, that's right.  Right. So the day before, I had lifted back. Like, really. And I knew I was going to be sore afterwards. And I was kind of stretching that. I wanted to see where I was at. So I knew I was pushing my limits a little bit. And fine. I was totally safe. Didn't hurt anything. Mechanics all good. I wasn't like doing singles or anything crazy, but I was lifting heavy in a lot of volume, knowing that I'd probably be a little more sore than what I had been before. And I was. And I was, I was definitely feeling my back type but totally fine.  I've got our cool new Felix gray glasses on.  So literally that's what I did. I was just, and I was in such a happy place, dude. I'm like in such a good mood, like workout regiments. Good. I got my, I had my chicken salad next to me. I'm like, I'm working. And I was, I must have sat there for six, six hours in like the same position, just rounded shoulders and forward head. And when I stopped and got up instantly, I felt this like just pain in my shoulder. And I was like, oh, and I tried to like posture all the way up. And then it just felt this nagging pain and it just hasn't gone. Well, yesterday when we went to go see Brink, you had some temporary relief and he took you through some pretty wild ranges of motion, but it wasn't passive. You were the taking yourself through the right, right? Which is good.  Right. I know I'm not injured. I know I'm not injured. It's what's crazy is it could be, I am just that sore. I mean, I might have just got it that sore. And then you add into the next day that I did, I did buys and tries. So my bicep got really tight. So everything just kind of over, that's overlapping over the top of the shoulders, just I think pulling on it. And then you add in the fact that I was sitting in that rounded position. And so I think I'm just an awful, awful soreness that I've never felt before. And it just, it aches. It's making the actual shoulder ache like crazy right now. I mean, this right here, you just gave me that I rubbed all over it. It was at least giving me like, Oh, that's what I smell. Yeah. It smells like the locker room. Yeah. Like the old man, you know, like getting ready for basketball. Dude, did I ever tell you about the time, my buddy, he was going to have sex with his girlfriend.  And he was going to do anal of the third. Oh, nice. And they were in the car and it was dark.  Sneaky butts. He brought a tube of lube in his gym bag, but he also had a tube of something like that, which is for... No, he did it. He did? Come on, bro. No way. Sure did. This is an urban myth. No, this is for reals. Oh my God.  How embarrassing. Because he grabbed the wrong tube, squirted it on, started it. And you know, you're in that fucking... And it was one of those... It wasn't super mentholy. It was one that you leave on and then it kicks in. Can you smell the difference? No, no, no. It takes a while. Even this one. That one took a good five minutes before it actually said it. It was like tiger balm or something. Oh, yeah, dude.  Tiger balm. Yeah, but he still got it on her. And of course, all over himself. I'm sure they broke up after that. Bro, you imagine telling that to... Imagine trying to tell it to your parents. I'm sure on the way there, he's constructing the most... I mean, the dad would understand. Yeah, the most elaborate lie of all time. Like, what do I... We slipped and fell. Dad's like, no, that's why they have different pockets, son. Like, son, listen, I made this mistake once. Here's what you're gonna do. Dude, that full day workout that I did, I swore to God, made me stronger. I swore to God. It's... I'm not... Well, you look the same. Yeah. Well, thanks. I appreciate that. It's working. I took some pictures because I know it, so I know you're lying, but no, I actually am stronger in the lifts that I did. I'm serious, bro. I want to do it. Yeah, we're gonna just stop getting injured. No, no, no. I'm gonna be fine. I can already tell I'm gonna be fine. I'm gonna be okay. It's just gonna take a few days. It's just, like you said, it's a small little setback, which I'm not trying to have right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, if it was any other week or whatever, that wouldn't be a big deal. You're getting set up for something. That's the way I think. You're getting tested in... Still? Still? Well, whatever you're supposed to learn hasn't been learned yet, apparently. It's all physical stuff. You can turn into a butterfly. Think about it. It's all this physical thing. Well, I mean, let's be honest. And I'm not saying you deserve it. That's what I'm saying. Let's be honest. I mean, there's no doubt in my mind that when we decided to do this, it was not a... I would never think about competing right now. I'm not... My metabolism there, my volume of training is there.  He's like, oh, it's easy, though. It's just Sal and... That's exactly what I thought. I told Katrina, like, she's like, you think you should be training like this right now? He's playing loose. Lightweight, honey. Don't worry. Lightweight. I'm so glad this is recorded. I'm gonna play this clip. So, yeah, this would not...  But I think that it is a microcosm of what a lot of people tend to make this same mistake. Yeah. Is they go... They decide that, hey, work is gonna do a challenge, or hey, we're gonna do something, and all right, summer's around the corner, and also now I wanna just cut and get in shape.  And what you don't realize is that you probably haven't primed and set the body up to do that. Like, you're just... How about getting it all healthy first and really making sure that you have a thriving metabolism? You've got a substantial amount of volume that you've built up so you can kind of ramp up and scale and your body can handle it. And I just wasn't in... I wasn't in the most ideal place to head into a competition.  So regardless of being in the optimal, I'm gonna still work around and work through it. And that's why it's so important to always look at the big picture also. Like, okay, I have this important contest, but then the big picture is I wanna be healthy, I wanna feel good, I wanna do things the right way, because at the end of the day, what's more important, win the contest or, you know, not injure yourself and do things the right way so it's a long-term strategy. And I think people don't... Or they use the motivation of the contest as a way to get them where they think they wanna be, but they gotta remember that contest will be over at some point. And now that you've tied all your motivation to that one thing, it's a nasty way down. No, 100%. Although in this case, I really...  It's not that bad. What killed me was the sitting in the posture. I know for sure it was that. You know what this reminds me of? This is like... Do you guys remember Superman, the original Superman's? Do you remember? I think it was Superman.  You know what I'm saying? So it's like you're natural now right now, sir.  On a natural note, I am kind of taking my own little notes because I think it could be useful for people that either have been on anabolic or came off or even want to know what the difference is. And so some of the things that I can... This would be a really good guide. Well, I'm telling you, some of the things that I'm noticing myself, the biggest thing, obviously, the strength isn't there. That's obvious, right? But probably the most mentally challenging piece to it is the body isn't as responsive as it is when I'm running anabolic, right? Or when my hormone levels are nice and high, right? I'm taking pictures every week and I'm doing what I would normally do if I was tracking for a show or anything. And I'm used to, when I make changes, I make tweaks where I go, okay, this week I'm going to increase volume or I'm going to drop calories or I'm going to pick up steps or I'm going to add some hit cardio. So when I do that, I can go back and I can measure and I can see... And typically when I make these changes, you see pretty significant to me. The average person would not be able to tell but I've been looking at myself like this objectively for a long time now and I'm pretty good at being able to see physical change when I make change to my program or whatever I'm doing. And it's just... It's way smaller and way harder to see and so it takes like two weeks now where it's like, before I could see, like, every week I'd be like, oh yeah, I'm on pace. Well, all joking aside, just totally serious and honest, your body has definitely changed a lot from where you were like a couple months ago, dude. I'm talking dramatic. You look very, very different. So you've already made very substantial changes and actually everybody's made some pretty good changes recently with this contest. Funny, Jessica, she came in the other day because we did some videos and she hadn't seen you guys in like probably a couple weeks or a few weeks but Justin looks lean. I'm like, guys, Doug's arms look bigger.  Everybody's on point right now. Everybody seems to be making some good changes but you've made the biggest changes and I'm not talking about for the contest. I'm talking about before that because you went from where you were to where you are now.  So you shouldn't feel... I don't but I just want to say that. Yeah, I was coming... That was when we did the measurement I had already been going for almost two months before that. You had already made big changes. Yeah, I had already made big changes and the fact that it measured me at...   But this is now the second worst. So I'm definitely coming from one of the worst places and arguably even more worse when you talk about the hormonal issues and the Achilles that I had to deal with. But I mean, I love stuff like that. We talk about this all the time. That's why I think you're more dangerous now. If life was easy to be, no fun, you know what I'm saying? That's why when you told me your shoulder was hurting, I was like, okay, I got to stay on point because I know how dangerous you can be when you feel even more behind. Even more of an underdog. It forces you to tighten things up even more. You see this is actually really common with athletes sometimes this will happen where they get an injury and they come back stronger because you have to put the detail you have to put so much energy and all the little details of rehabbing and making those right steps and then what ends up happening is they actually progress the right way. It brings out the competitive spirit like nothing else. Absolutely.  Whatever.  I had stories about it. I had first hand experience. This lady takes it to an insanely new level. She claims and I think it was this article from New Zealand she was talking about actually having sex with ghosts and wants to have a ghost baby.  Doug can you please pull this up.  I think she's trying to set up her friends and family because she's pregnant from some random Right? Thank you. It's the neighbor coming in. It's a ghost baby. What do you mean? We heard that story before. Ghost baby, immaculate inception. Where are you reading articles like this? I love stuff that's so ridiculous. Can I just say anything? National Enquirer. It's the star, dude. It's the star. It is like the National Enquirer. This was an aftermath. This was on a reputable You know what this reminds me of? This is like those articles. Remember those tabloids when we were kids?  It was a video and everything. Do you guys have any family that my grandmother read every one of those National Enquirers? Every time with the girls. I used to read them in line. Wolf Boy and all that. I always thought it was so fascinating that she read that.  You can count on them to get some shitty picture of Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise on the beach with his girlfriend and his gut. You can count on them to get some dirt like that.  He always got to watch out for those photographers. Did you see the one that was going around with Tom Brady? Everyone was giving him, oh, you didn't see that? Oh, I think so. Everybody jumps on that. Who cares the guy? Perfority. And he performs at a ridiculous level. Poor dude. So you know what this reminds me of?  Remember Ghostbusters? That one, seeing where she goes down on the guy. What's his name? Ray.   Imagine it's some ghost. Bro, I literally had, I really was like I had fantasies like, please, I wish a ghost would come into my room and I You're on the Ouija board. Yeah. So you told me about this. You told me about this lady.  Yeah, I wish that was me. She was even in the interview, she was describing so the lady was like serious talking with her like, describe how does this go?  I knew like a presence was there and like she was like going into great detail about how like, you know, it would touch her in places and all this stuff and I'm like that sounds boring.   She's a model. She's a traveling wild ghost baby. This is to the 10th degree. She's 30. She's not married, she's 30. She wishes she was in a relationship. She's like, hey, what's going on?  I gave up men for ghosts. She's not bad. They make more sense. Yeah, she's not that unattractive. No, no, she looks like she could. She's obviously crazy. Yeah, I mean like, come on. I mean, this is like attention. Why do you want that kind of attention? I don't know. She just wants attention. Dude, I need to comment on you guys posted on your Insta stories a couple days ago your pictures of yourselves when you were kids. Bro, I did see the, Adam did his too. You guys were adorable.  That's Brett with me too.  Justin with the B stung eye in the picture.   Yeah, I was kind of a rascal. Adorable, adorable. I had my mom hunt that one out for me just because I was thinking, I was like, you're somewhere.  Just like you.  Oh, is that funny or what? That's Katrina got that, right? Because they're two boys. Do they ever hook up?  It's funny because because they don't got girls, you know what I mean? Yeah, and neither one of them are neutered. So they both have their moments, right? They tell like they're horny, right? They need some bang times. But it's funny though that they won't allow the other one to mount the other one. That's exactly how they end up being. They both want to be the top. Yeah, that's part of why they fight. Yeah, no, they have that. Bentley gets his bed and he like pauses his bed and mounts it and goes to town. Arlo does the same thing, he puts it in his mouth and goes to town on it. Bro, you gotta get him like a... He's got a pig. What do you mean? He's got a pig. Yeah, he's like a good sized stuffed pig. Yeah, we can't eat. Don't throw other female dogs at owners that'll say, here, let's let them... I don't know, dude, I haven't knocked on any doors.  Would you be open? Do you mind if Bentley comes over and fucks Bella? Oh my God. She's tiny. There should be a service. When I was a kid, my dad had a pit bull, an Amstaff, actually, which is the same difference. But anyway, big muscular, strong dog. It was a 90-pound pit bull, and then he had a friend who had a 40-pound red-nosed pit bull and he wanted to breed them for puppies. So my dad's like, okay, let's do this. That dog was vicious. He brought the 40-pound pit bull. Our dog's way bigger and he kept trying to go near her and she would growl at him and then finally he tried to mount her and she just went at him. And my dad was like, it was the funniest thing to watch. Him try to be nice and her just push him away and push him away. She wasn't feeling it. And then finally he just kind of held her down and then she kind of gave in. When I got older, he told me about this and I missed him. It's so funny. The boys won't put up with it. Bentley will do the same thing.  You can smell him. And you see Mazi lets it happen a little bit like that and as Bentley starts to go around the backside of him, he'll turn around and nip at him real fast. And then they'll get into it. They get into it a lot. I've had dogs my whole life and I've never had dogs that fight because these two fight, man. They fight a lot, man. They really do. But it's short lived. They don't normally hurt each other. Bentley got his nose opened up to the day. I told you guys that Katrina freaked out about that. They're bred for that kind of tenacity. They're bull breeds. All the bully breeds, they were bred for that a little bit. Especially the... Very protective, dude. During this whole process of us moving a lot, Katrina's brother was coming over the house a lot and Everett was at the house and he's really skeptical of opening the door up so he'll look through the peak hole and crack the door to see who it is. And he did that to my brother-in-law. Anytime someone bangs on the door, the boys go running down straight to the door and they're already standing at the door waiting. Everett was late at night and he kicked open the door and just a couple inches to see who it was and Andy, her brother-in-law just pushed the door open and when he pushed the door open and he stepped in and pushed Everett back and he was just playing with Everett. He was just like, open the door and he kicked open the door and Bentley jumped up and whacked and bit him right on the hand and Bentley doesn't... He knows who he is but because he came in... It was an intruder. Humans, we would not be where we're at today without... I mean, I felt bad for my brother-in-law but I think it's dope that they're like that. Saying that they're trained to protect... And when they were little, I would pretend like I was beaten up on Katrina and then have them come get me to get off of me, grab my leg and bite onto me and stuff like that so I've taught them like that if anyone ever attacks any of us for them to defend and they do. You know, Pit Bulls used to be called the dog, that was the nickname for Pit Bulls back in the day. Yeah, Pit Bulls have a bad... No, that's true. Pit Bulls have a bad rap now but back in the day the nicknames and names that were called were nanny dogs, Yankee dogs, they were all American dogs. In fact, the Little Rascals the old TV show with the kids with the ring around that eye was that the one? That was a Pit Bull. For over 100 years, Pit Bulls were babysitters and it's because they are fiercely protective and they were also... Here's the thing about Pit Bulls that a lot of people don't know because they have a bad rap, right? They were bred to, you know, be protective and they were also bred to have dog aggression which is why you have to really socialize them well but they were bred to not have human aggression at all and that's because in a dog fight if any of them turn on a human they lose the match right away so they were always bred to be very, very good with people so it was a big dog that was like kids could... and people who owned Pit Bulls and raised them right know your kid can jump on it could pull on their ear, could bite their tail and they won't even flinch it's like they're whatever, they're very, very good with kids and back in the day and then of course we had later on you had drug dealers and shit like that who would buy them because they look so muscular and it just gave them a bad rap but Pit Bulls and those bully breeds they're active so you got to make sure not all of them like bulldogs, that's necessarily but you got to be active with them, you got to train them you have to be alpha because they are a very strong alpha type of dog but otherwise they're an incredible dog I've had them my whole life always had a Pit Bull the next dog I'll get will probably be another I like the Staffordshire Terrier the original English one have you guys seen those? they're like they're small, they're like 30, 40 pound they look like a little tiny Pit Bull and those are the original ones that were brought over from England they're just cute dude I read an article I wanted to bring up to you guys, it's kind of cool so more studies are showing that what you eat affects your mood now there's the picture of the dog, how cute are they so and this to me is a these are studies, when they do these studies I always look at them and I go well duh but you know how the medical and scientific community are they need to see these placebo controlled large studies in order to confirm what the anecdote has been for a long time because you ask any parent does the way your kid eat affects their behavior any parent will say yes you ask any trainer, does what you eat or what your clients eat affect their mood they'll say yes, you'll ask people most of the time so I feel better when I eat this way or not but the scientific community has been lagging but now we have studies showing that it does and there's a whole new field of science called nutritional psychiatry nutritional psychiatry nutritional psychiatry so if you go in somebody was telling me that the schooling now to become a psychiatrist they now include that, wasn't it Christina Rice that was talking to us about this because back it wasn't included no now all of them do I think this is a new burgeoning field of medicine and I think it's I like that word, burgeoning is that a word? burgeoning burgeoning is the word of the day where you tear off everything I know I come across as a pompous asshole sometimes but it just comes out in my mouth look at burgeoning meaning make sure I'm right there I haven't heard that word in a sentence but anyway there was a study that showed from John Hopkins University that consumption of meats cured with nitrates can contribute to episodes of mania so for people who are bipolar probably a good idea to avoid those kinds of foods they also show there's also studies now showing that diets high in fruits, vegetables, proteins and good fats basically a low inflammation type diet really works well on depression in some studies show and I dare I say cure depression they're showing the effects now of food on ADHD in children which we've all known for a long time but this is now a western medical field where they're going to study these things about time dude literally we're five to ten years away from you go to the doctor and you say I'm anxious, I'm depressed you know whatever and they're going to say instead of saying okay well behavioral cognitive therapy and antidepressant they're going to say well let's talk about your diet you know what I'm saying which is a conversation nobody's had in that situation forever now here's the flip side of that how do you think the food market's going to react when that becomes mainstream? you know what I mean? quality is going to be sought after, there's going to be degrees of it over the place where people are going to compete with that I think there's going to be whole products that are going to be that's what we'll do I think there'll be let's make something that we can package oh this is for depression because it's this, this and this therefore we can say it's they're going to have to word it differently but I think so it'll be called increased mood mood increase sunny foods for a sunny mood it will though enjoy a relaxing meal son of a bitch it can't just be good foods that you pick up it's got to be all packaged and sold just like supplements exactly, they're going to try and capitalize on it speaking of supplements, I haven't had this yet Justin have you had the four-sigmatic, the lemonade thing yet? I know I haven't had that one yet I'm like Mr. Anti, the four-sigmatic that's got activated charcoal in it can I just take that right? there's only for when you take activated charcoal no no no, it's got activated charcoal in it it's supposed to be good for detoxing the body activated charcoal when it comes, if you have gut issues or if you drink alcohol in it you put me on that you put me on the charcoal whenever and now if I eat something that I think is compromising I know that my gut is not going to enjoy this going down it's amazing but later tonight or tomorrow I won't feel great it's become a habit of mine where I'll just take a couple of charcoal and it makes a big difference so are you saying that I could take the four-sigmatic lemonade thing right here? instead of activated charcoal and this is better because it has other ingredients so chaga chaga's got the adaptogenic properties and it's good for I've noticed for anxiety and stuff like that it's funny because the whole activated charcoal thing it's 8 out of 10 times if Jessica drinks alcohol literally 8 out of 10 times she's going to be prepared to have a headache and a potential migraine that's why I don't drink I just don't feel good the last couple of times we drank when we were in Napa we did a lot of drinking and it's wine wine will give you a headache more it gives me bad hangover two days of drinking no headache because we did the activated charcoal ever since you introduced it to me it's been something that if I'm going to I've drank more with you guys in the last year than I had in the previous like 10 years just because of that because every time I do Justin's influence I think that is my one contribution how's that been going for you because that was like a regular yeah it was a big deal actually are you still doing that not telling us no I um you caught me you caught me I'm actually not having any issues with it for me it's just it was a pretty regular thing like twice a week maybe just because of like opportunities or like the lack of opportunities it was just a thing that like we we'd have a weekend or whatever and we were just like trying to relax and chill and so I'd have a couple drinks but you don't you don't like see those patterns all the time how they creep up on you and it was creeping up almost like on a regular like weekly thing like two days where I was like drinking you know and so yeah not not drinking I definitely can attribute like a decent amount of my weight loss from just not drinking that stuff adds up like really quickly so now is that affecting your sex life at all yeah you know it's I've so Courtney's still drinking she actually drinks this one drink and has shifted from like using like ginger beer and things that have more sugar in it and I do this drink called White Claw which is like and I did try it so I had a sip of it but like I have to admit that but it was good it was like mineral water basically with infused flavor and so I only had like three grams of sugar or two grams of sugar oh is that like what Taylor was drinking like those little wine can things yeah but it's not wine it's vodka but it's like that though right yeah gluten free all that kind of stuff that a tall boy can and so you know he's like as long as she drinks we're getting started and then you know and then I might have a little edible here or there or whatever that's kind of my recipe oh there it is it's a great product though I'm actually like trying to reach out to him yeah I think so people need to understand like when you have two people with kids both work and if their schedules are not the same which often times it's not like just when you finally have a minute with each other it's hard to fucking relax dude you know it's hard to calm down for switch right yeah well and it's and I don't think you know people don't realize like we're on we're like ships that pass in the night like she when she's working on the weekend sometimes I don't see her for like four or five days just because of like our schedules like mixing and she's sleeping when you're up yeah exactly she comes home and I'm like already asleep and doing you know so for us to be able to like yeah wind down is really tough yeah and it's it's that's the definition of a partnership I think you know you have a family together and sometimes a partner just like in business it's like okay we got to put our heads down and you know make this happen yeah we're a team man exactly exactly and you just remind yourself of that because it can be really difficult that's one of the bigger challenges in marriages and you know I definitely didn't do it right in my marriage a hundred percent and you know I'm not going to place any blame on anyone else and it was two people in every you know in that formula but I can say for myself didn't do it right for sure and that was definitely one of the contributing factors to the the solution of that whole I can't imagine I mean I know how hard it is for Katrina and I just being two people that work a lot you know we just work a lot but we're on similar schedules and it still is it can be tough and it's not even because we're alone right we don't have kids running around but it's tough to switch your brain from work mode to like let's have sex or let's be you know physical and think like and it's crazy and I never thought I'd have as a 20 year old growing up I just thought that was crazy like I'll never be like that I want sex all the time oh yeah yeah I'm like this thing can't wait and my girl live with me and we're gonna have sex every day all the time like no it's like yeah we'll catch ourselves just like enjoying you know conversation and then watching something and literally like passing out both of us we're just asleep on each other it's like one o'clock in the morning like oh no yeah oh well we'll try tomorrow it's a it's a it's a it can be a challenge for sure but that's one of the you know the course on the other side of it you know if you if you up if you do it right navigate right boy do you build an incredible bond well this is why I mean I'm really big on the getting away for a day or two like even if it's just a day or two where you guys take off somewhere totally and and you don't have that's all telling Justin you ever want you ever need someone to watch your kids you know I know I'm in San Jose and you're up in in Santa Cruz bro just let us know first of all Jessica is a wizard she's a wizard with children literally I've seen her yeah she's great yeah so if you ever wanted you know take some take a break let me know do you bring your boys over and we'll have a good time no I think it's important yeah I think it's important even if you like even if it's just like a hotel that Katrina and I love to do that we'll just drive three hours north or south and crash at some nice hotel and do the room service thing do a nice dinner together and spend spend two nights like that and it recharges me it gets us reconnected we have no distractions it's always but you do have your Ireland trip coming up I do I mean we're we're just getting like really excited just to have an adventure together it's like something that that's a big trip you know yeah we're really going to spend like as much quality time as possible and like reconnecting like trying to like every day to me I told her I'm like every day is a date you know so we got to treat it like that see what happens the kids are coming though with you right now oh this is a no kids this is this for our anniversary 10 year anniversary is my it's my 10 year yeah I knew that but I didn't know that the kids weren't going no I was watching the kids for two weeks my parents her parents did they split the time they're gonna leave a couple big boxes cereal kids will take care of themselves that's how my mom would have done it the dog's gonna watch them you know I got the nanny dog so we're good yeah exactly but yeah no I'm excited man it's yeah we haven't even even on our honeymoon like we didn't we only did like a week you know together like so it was like this is a little bit more than a week I mean it's like 10 days or something so yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be intense man we'll see what happens hopefully we still like each other at the end I know sound we haven't even talked about who's gonna replace him who do it just you and I yeah yeah you guys are funny you guys are entertainers boring we'll talk about macros we'll be fine first question is from average Connor how have Justin's kids diets changed since switching to carnivore oh that's a good question are you feeding in the same way I'm feeding them a lot more meat but they're not carnivore so no I'm the extreme guy in the family so yeah even my wife is kind of like I mean she's very I guess you would say like paleo so is everybody avoiding like grains and wheat and shit like that yeah yeah so and even like leading up into this diet like we were all as a family a lot more like gluten-free and like grain-free and stuff like that but yeah so the kids have actually been eating quite a lot more meat which is great for me because like even in the morning the tendency even though we try our best to you know have like eggs and bacon things like that available it's like you know the quick fixes always carbs always like something like some shitty cereal or some you know whatever but just having like all the sexist meat around and then just warming it up and things like that like they're actually now I could see them craving meat eating a lot more protein and so that like to me it like makes me feel really good how big of a box are you getting from the butcher box then it's huge it's like the biggest one you can get with all all the different types I just did primarily the beef you know all the different beef cuts and then and then bacon so I got in on that free bacon action so if you didn't get it on that you guys fucking missed out actually you have a better one now or they're giving you free bacon and to free New York strips boom boom boom they just they just like to one up their game dude I love butcher box man and it's like it's one of those things it's such a staple part of like especially dinners and then like having extra meat as I cook I'm just like outside barbecuing pretty much every now here's a good question for you have you since changing your kids diet because you guys went kind of gluten-free grain-free now they're eating more you know well sourced by the way I think it's important to say that it is doing just feed your kids more meat right this is like grass-fed you know good quality meat but anyway now that they're eating more of that and less of the other stuff have you noticed any changes in in behavior activity like that kind of stuff yeah especially in the morning I think the morning time it's like there's a window if first of all if we don't get up and get them outside or like get going you know in time I'm sure you've experienced this if you don't like get everybody like on point and out of the house like it gets becomes this like stir crazy energy that's just like unmanageable but yeah like their behavior in the morning is definitely improved substantially and I don't know if it's promoted you know especially my youngest he's just like he's so on one right now about like going down into the room and like doing all these like circus moves with the rings and like working out no way he's so motivated right now all by himself yes he's like dad let's work out and so I can never say no even though I'm like some mornings I'm like I can't you know and so I just I muster it but then he'll go now on his own he'll just go down there he's like hey I'm going downstairs and I hear him because like he's right underneath us I could hear like all the chains moving and all that kind of stuff so that's so cool it's pretty rare I just started training my son here and there and you know because he's never worked out and he plays sports here and there but you know kids don't they're just not as active naturally as they used to be I mean when I was a kid your punishment was in the house like stay home now the punishment is go outside right get off your electronics I know we're hard on the kids a lot but part of me doesn't blame them right because as a kid if I had the cool shit the kids have today like I probably would have struggled well I had TV and I and that's what I did is watch TV I couldn't imagine if I had the technology right and remember when we watched TV it was like we alluded to this before where it's like you know from 3 o'clock to 5 o'clock there's your show your half-hour 24 hour whatever there wasn't 24 like the Nickelodeon all day all night thing came around when I was an adult that wasn't till later on that was a good point yeah so you know there was always yeah there was a couple hours that you had a window of maybe a handful of shows that you would even consider watching out of those handful of shows maybe one or two you really liked then the rest of time you'd rather be outside playing or playing board games or doing something playing cards so I started training him you know and we're doing like easy stuff I'm easing him into resistance training and we were at the park because I took him to the park and we did some body weight stuff and you know doing pull-ups and stuff like that and you know he's like he had this kind of funny look on his face and I'm like what's up dude tell me and he's like oh it's alright I don't want to tell you I'm like don't tell me like what's going on and he's like why you know and he's kind of like having a tough time telling me and he's like oh my heart you know because I was very very insecure about that as a kid and he's got my genes he's going to be naturally he's going to be a skinny kid just like I for just like I am right and so kind of but then I then I felt good because he feel he feels confident enough to ask right I would have never right I would have never come out of my mouth it was something he want to say so I told him like listen I'm like you're first off because you're my son so you're gonna have my genes is like but I eat so much I'm like well and some explain to him how the body builds muscle and what it does and you know you got to you put in the work and you send the signal and then you feed your body and then it wants to build so now he's you know now he's becoming a little more more motivated he's still young he's only 13 I think right around 15 16 is when he may get really motivated probably because of girls and stuff like that but kind of cool but anyway this question is it's an interesting one because people a lot of people want to change how their kids eat but not themselves but they don't realize that if you don't change how you eat it's gonna be it's gonna be your uphill battle yeah hundred percent a lot okay in my experience I don't know if I've ever had a parent have success with that without changing theirs mm-hmm I've had plenty of parents come to me and go hey they want their kid to get in shape so they hire me to train them and get them in shape and then tell them to eat a certain way but it's like listen if the whole family isn't doing that there's no way your kid is going to do it so never success how do you explain it to a kid let's say let's just paint the picture for a second because this is a perfect storm for you know bad relationships to food and potential eating disorders let's just paint the picture you're at the dinner table you have your your three kids and then there's the one kid that you want to fix their diet because maybe they're overweight or whatever right everybody's eating this meal over here this one kid or this other kid is eating this meal over here now how do you explain that to your kid that is not a good situation number one it's a difficult way to navigate isolating them you're isolating them it's very difficult you know thing to navigate and if you don't have to I don't encourage it and then on top of it children learn far more from watching what you do than they do from what you tell them oh yeah and it and the thing about what's great about this question like they they've been asking me why you know why am I eating just meat why why am I doing this and like specifically and you know I've been able to get into some detail with this and like kind of tell them like what I'm what I've been going through this year with my health and what I'm really trying to address and and you know kind of give them a more of a view of like my strategy with it and it's it's just a strategy like I've I'm using food as medicine I'm using it as a way to heal myself internally just like I'm healing a you know some some exterior like a scar like a like a like a cut or whatever like that's that's like the level of what I'm trying to do with this and then I'm gonna incorporate more of you know healthy foods and vegetables and things that make me feel good and help me to perform at my best and so it's like that's sort of the message now have either one of your boys seen you doing this because you've been doing it consistently now for a while have any of them been like oh I'm just gonna have a steak with dad today and just only yeah well that's the thing some of that they'll get motivated because they think that all of a sudden because I'm eating all this meat like that's how I'm getting like big and buff and so they start like posing they have like little poses off and they're eating steak and posing against each other I die laughing I swear to god it's hilarious dude but um yeah they but then they go back into their thing of like like they want like because they'll go to grandma and grandpa's or whatever and they'll go to the dog's super processed you know hot dogs with like you know chips and soda and shit and then I'm like starting over again but um but yeah no there's those moments so that they when they're with me and they're with Courtney and it's like they see what we're doing and they they kind of they just watch us like it like intent intently so um I just feel like as long as I'm doing my thing consistently and Courtney's doing her thing consistently the kids respond and that's all we we don't really have to say a lot about it have your parents ever have they tried hiding or just like omitting information when it comes to food yet well yeah and my parents did that last night yeah last night really yeah dude they came back from the movies they all went to the movies together and then you know dinner time and and you know we had an amazing dinner my dad's got it like a full-on you know vegetable garden in his backyard so we had these green beans these amazing green beads we have this other salad vegetables and you know we had some just some steak and my mom made some turkey breasts like this huge dinner so I'm like putting the food in front of my kids and my my daughter's like two or three bites and she's like I don't want anymore in full and I try and there's this I'm doing this thing now and I've been doing it for a while where if they don't want to eat I don't force them because that's also not a good thing to do right so I'm kind of looking at my daughter and I'm like well she didn't have breakfast I know she had lunch because I called when they were eating lunch but what else to achieve for she not so I looked at my parents and I'm like so and I'm speaking in Sicilian to my parents so my kids on sound like what are the kids eat at the movies like oh it's you know not that much I'm like how much how much popcorn do they well the large the super large one has a free refill so we did that one and I can tell they're kind of like oh they know what they're telling you know and I'm like they ate a ton of popcorn didn't they my mom's like well it's their starch that was their starch for today so instead of being their starch I'm just like god oh my god and then we get in this argument so my you know my mom's like well that's my job I'm the grandma my job is to give that's what you know someone Katrina's family talks like that oh it's as the uncle and the and the grandmother I'm supposed to spoil the kids and do this like no no well I got it spoiled for a reason dude I got into a little bit of a thing our kid will not go over there that's the kids dude yeah well good luck with that yeah because you need them to watch them so I got into it a little bit because I we took the kids to get to the dentist and you know like my oldest had a cavity and I'm like how does he have a cavity I've watched what's good he's been consuming and like really limited his soda consumption and the dentist was hammering hard about all this stuff like you know eliminate the sugary foods and the sodas I'm like yeah no shit you know but then I'm like oh my god you know he's getting watched by the babysitter by you know my parents by like Courtney's parents and they they use that as like a tool to like make him happy because he that he's so fixated on like having root beer and having like like soda that's this that's this thing and want soda and so I felt good though because I've I've been able to kind of start well I'm like well you know instead of just eliminating just having water you know available like I started to kind of bring in more like LeCroy and things like that that have like no sugar in them and like trying to like describe like how you start to enjoy it because it's all like the mouth thing like it's the the bubbles it's the field and then it's the aftertaste and all that kind of stuff it's not about like having it super sweet and so he started drinking it and now he actually requests that when he goes to my parents so it's like you know little things like that it's like I don't want to like be the evil one you know all the time well this is how I even use our sponsor fit aid like this is how I drink it I don't drink it because I'm like oh it has all these nutrients this can help me do this and it's like it's a a a fizzy drink that is got flavor to it that I actually can enjoy better option because I'm I'll drink cokes dude I mean that's I've we all know that I've openly talked about that on the show before like I when I just I like that that carbon the sugar and I'm my body's been addicted to that sugar forever so it's been a great replacement for me you know so I agree sure next question is from Chris DJ how would you best explain the benefits of weight training to an old school martial artist who are stuck in the mentality that more is better and that only body weight exercises and long slow running are how to train for fights it's it's shock it's surprising to me that they're still today martial artists that believe this which is it's silly now I know why where this myth came from and it comes from the inappropriately combining resistance training with martial arts we're not doing it properly isn't isn't Bruce Lee famous for never doing anything but body weight nope he did lift weights weights no he's famous for breaking actually yeah being having like a body builder physique oh yeah no he he was that he actually I didn't know he lifted weights no yeah so Bruce Lee the reason why the amazing thing about Bruce Lee was he was you know he was a early adopter of all not only that but the martial arts community at that time because you got to keep in mind this a long time ago in the sixties they shunned him because he was teaching white people you know Chinese you know ancient Chinese martial arts which was you don't do that you only teach Chinese people so in fact yet he had a fight with another martial artist over this they actually had a fight in person because they were the whole Chinese community or the martial arts community was shunning him for doing this he also learned how to lift weights from body builders he also learned how to box from boxers he learned a little bit of wrestling he if you watch his footwork in his movies now a lot of the martial arts that he did in his movies was for show so that's not quite how he would fight and he talked about that but he watched him as fights remember how Bruce Lee would bounce around and he'd do his footwork he learned that from boxers that was not it looked like a boxer stance yeah that was not a kung fu or wing chung or anything like that that was non-traditional and he talked about one of his famous quotes was to be like water which is like formless you put water in a cup it becomes a cup and water can crash or it can flow and so he was a huge advocate for trying all these different things and Bruce Lee loved lifting weights especially for forearms for his abs and he liked doing tension with a lot of heavy weight I remember reading up quite a bit on that especially just he would go through certain compound lifts and then he would just squeeze his whole body and radiate this tension so if you look at his arms he wasn't a big guy but he was muscular for his size his forearms were about the size of his upper arms and because he and he wrote about this how strong forearms were crucial to being able to throw a stiff hard punch especially without gloves and if you look at Bruce Lee in his early kung fu movies like the Chinese Connection and then you watch him later on like Enter the Dragon totally different body like he was totally different body he was ripped, muscular, he'd do that lat spread that famous lat spread and in fact Bruce Lee inspired a generation of would-be bodybuilders there was a lot of kids that started lifting weights because of Bruce Lee so there's that but there's also it's a myth and I know why it's a myth like if you're training in martial arts if you're training kung fu or taekwondo or jujitsu or whatever and then you go and lift weights and your goal lifting weights is just to gain a bunch of size and you cut way back on your martial arts training you lose skill you lose skill because your body changes you lose a little bit of body awareness so let's say you're a 160 pound boxer and you're good you've been training for a long time if you just gain 10 pounds of size on your body it's gonna throw your timing off a little bit it's gonna throw your skill off all new variables now you have to like catch the rest of your body and the mechanics up to you know account for so that's why it's so important like as you're training to make sure that you incorporate the skills training just as frequently as the lifting and so that's where Bruce Lee sort of did lead the way in terms of like showing people yes I can build my physique but I can also maintain and exceed my skill now because I'm more powerful by the way this is this is true for all sports so all sports if you just go and bulk up and get big and and cut way down on your skills training or technique training you're gonna come back to your sport awkward just because you're bigger stronger and different you have a different body this is such a big pervading myth that still exists like you know like baseball players don't want to build too big of shoulders and too big of arms or chest it's gonna get in the way you know of their their speed and it's just like it's the same the same thing applies to you like you have to maintain the skills training simultaneously or yes it is something that you have to account for I would say me your skills training in any sport I don't care what sport you do including martial arts is the priority of your training because skill is far more important than strength and speed and whatever in a sport and if you don't believe me throw a you know top level strength athlete in any sport watch them get their asses kicked because they don't have the skill right so you need to have skill has got to be the priority but then you need to have a good sullen foundation of strength training because of all the physical pursuits right speed agility strength stamina strength is the foundation as the most carry over that's it you get stronger you'll have a little bit of everything else everything it just makes you a better person so find me a mixed martial arts today mixed martial arts today that doesn't lift weights at you're not you're not going to find it smoked because it because your competitors can be like lifting weights and because that's part of it now like you have to account for that now that being said this guy isn't wrong like the way he's training if you were to incorporate some lifting probably two to three times that's it right there that's it that's it that's what I used to recommend everything he's doing is great I think doing bodyweight exercises and exercising the way he is for us and doing a lot of skills training like like they said that he's doing I think that's all great two to three days of traditional weightlifting I think would really benefit now as far as the cardio the long distance running long running has some use in certain sports but it's very specific to the sport so wouldn't it be more applicable to do like you know to mimic whatever the rounds look like whatever sport you're doing so if you're doing a sport that are two minute or three minute or five minute rounds you should do bouts of intense cardio for two to three or five minutes and then rest and then repeat right absolutely nothing nothing like when I did jiu-jitsu nothing gave me more endurance and stamina for jiu-jitsu than doing more jiu-jitsu yeah like I would run I would hill spot do sprints I do stuff and I get some you know benefit but if I just did more jiu-jitsu I would get way more plus you're practicing the skill too so you're getting benefits from that yeah and the way I would advise my my friends who did jiu-jitsu with me what when they want to lift weights because a lot of more afraid of this right oh my gonna get muscle bound I might lose my technique I'd say just lift two days a week focus on the core lifts and just try use weights for what weights are good at which is getting strong like here's another mistake a lot of martial artists do with weights is that they use the weights to in ways that weights aren't as beneficial for right are they trying mimic actual moves of their skill or sport with weights which I think is is another thing that I'm not like as as keen on you know kind of promoting it's more like let's have the skill be the skill let's have the you know the strength do what it does best I'm so glad you said that there's this huge myth that if I take three-pound dumbbells or five-pound dumbbells and a shadow box that it's gonna make me a better boxer right no it's gonna throw your timing off silly it's gonna throw your timing off because you're gonna get good at boxing with three-pound weights yeah unless you put your gloves on you know that would make sense yeah yeah that's the weight that you want to box with exactly so no weighting yourself down and then doing techniques it'll just your technique will form towards the new weight or whatever so that's a that's a huge myth but you know when it comes to lifting here's a thing too like weights are really nothing builds strength better than weights obviously can you build endurance and stamina and all that stuff with weights yes but I don't think that weights are the best at those things so if you're gonna lay weights to contribute to your performance of martial arts and you're doing two days a week which is a good amount of weight training for someone who's training a lot in martial arts use the weights for strength don't go into don't go in the gym and do a shit ton of circuits this is what I used to see a lot of guys doing to be like oh I need you know okay I want to lift weights but I still want endurance so I'm just gonna do a bunch of circuits with the weights you're wasting the weights right for that like use them for what they're good at get strong and then if you want to build endurance and stuff do the other stuff you know yeah next question is from Carmen Alessa do you think there are high achievers that aren't actually bad but the government doesn't want normal people to use them and achieve more as well conspiracy to hold us back yeah what do you guys think about that absolutely 100% 100% I believe our most elite SEAL teams and and people like that are experimenting with some of this some of this stuff for sure I actually think that these methamphetamines and when the fireman they they kind of tap into that a little bit that's a great it's a great book for you to read both Rise of Superman and Stealing Fire around this and that yeah no absolutely I think they do I think that's when it hits the market to us where we start hearing about these SARMS and things like that for sure they've already been done they've already tested all that shit and they figured out what's working what's don't they use don't the SEAL team use the what's it one that we talk about medafinil or whatever oh yeah medafinil and all those wakefulness agents or whatever have been used by fighter pilots and these are ones that we're all aware of right because they've now you know surfaced and they're all over the web and so that but I absolutely think that we're always on the cutting edge and if there's anyone that's doing it it's for sure our most elite that are fighting most most of the motivation for the government to ban substances most not all but most isn't because they're doing it for your own good okay that's the truth okay because here's the deal heroin illegal bad for you but we sell opiates like crazy which is legal heroin okay you buy oxy you know oxytocin you or what's it called oxy oxy cotton oxy cotton oxy cotton you buy you know Vicodin's you buy you know percocets heroin in a pill okay and same thing with the Adderall is just like methamphetamines that's right that's right you know math but we can definitely prescribe Adderall the kids yes it's not it's it's a hundred most of the reason why they banned drugs is to I mean look if we go back to the when the real war on drugs started because we can go back further and talk about the conspiracy behind you know banning marijuana and all that stuff we've talked about that before but it was there was a counter culture in the 70s 60s and 70s that was scaring the shit out of the you know out of the government they actually considered the counter culture to be a threat to the national security at this time people got to understand this too by the way I don't necessarily think that it's because people in government are evil although there are bad people in government just like there's bad people everywhere I think the government we were in a cold war we're in the middle of a cold war where you had two very powerful countries with nukes ready to launch pointed at each other and literally at the drop of a hat the entire world would have been blown up with two completely opposing ideologies like you could not have those two ideologies literally they have a tough time coexisting mainly because one of the ideologies considers actually both of them consider each other kind of evil and they don't allow either one to exist because one ideology values liberty and the other one considers that oppressive or whatever and wants everybody to be the same so they had these nukes pointed at each other and so the US government was like look we are in this very dangerous situation we've almost gone into the war a couple times you had the Cuban Missile Crisis and a couple other things and so we spent a lot of money on the CIA and gave them all the money and said look identify domestic threats and let's try to neutralize them and you had this counter culture which was protesting like crazy there were domestic terror groups that were bombing people like the weather underground which was one of them that we know and so you had all these you know terror domestic terror groups you had the counter culture you had the hippies it was totally different from the 50s where it felt kind of wholesome meanwhile the CIA had autonomy they still do right they have nobody watching over them yeah and so the government's like okay how are we going to fight this danger potentially dangerous counter culture that believes in all these things that you know are totally opposite to what we think is right or whatever how are we gonna throw them in jail when we have to protest like we can't just throw these people in jail because our constitution protects them it's gonna be impossible so they took the drugs that they used and made them extremely illegal and this is very clear this is not a conspiracy the government attacked the drugs in order to attack the counter culture and it was very effective you have all these hippies protesting throw the cops in there everybody's got weed on them throw them in jail everybody that's got acid on them throw them in jail anybody's got mushrooms in them throw them in jail heroin throw them in jail drugs of choice for the counter culture and then it was pushed by this propaganda that you know it's going to destroy society and you know whatever and you can make arguments on either side but that's where we're at today now we have this trillion dollar war on drugs that's destroyed communities especially minority communities has thrown many innocent people in jail has created this fatherless society in a lot of these communities and has fueled this very powerful black market worldwide black market America's easily the largest consumer of black market drugs in the world and so for sure it's not because they're trying to help anybody and now it's a big monster it's a monster with a lot of money I mean imagine if you eliminated if you changed the war on drugs or scaled it way back how much money would police departments lose to fund you know their tasks force how much money would the FBI lose to fund you know how it would be interesting you get a lot of jobs that would be lost now because we'd end the war on drugs and you've got all these other countries that you know that we force into this as well it's funny because Mexico's been talking about changing their war on drugs because it's caused a lot of problems for them US government puts a lot of pressure on it says no you can't you got to maintain this war on drugs will help fund it or whatever so I think I want to keep this fucking going now what do you guys think in your personal experience people that you know that are high performers right either super athletes or high performing CEOs what do you think are some of the most popular drugs that you know personally like certain people are taking obviously we won't railroad anybody and throw them but like what like what like I know something that I've been surprised in the lot and just the last you know five years or so the amount of people that like micro dose LSD I was gonna ring that up yeah so that that's a few very popular big thing now right yeah and I think it's really popular here where we're at in the Silicon Valley I think that people that are plugging away on the computer and that are want to be like hyper focused all day long are seeing benefits from using that and I think people would be surprised on the what people are actually using that and taking that that's one yeah at all of course at all in riddle end of the I was gonna say yeah like some form of speed which I kind of considered those almost like a form of speed right like it's a like I'm really like it's a stimulant that's gonna keep me going and keep me productive like anything that's gonna make them super productive like this is very attractive if you're at the top it's funny too because the studies will show that the methamphetamines don't they don't make you smarter they just make you they trick you into thinking you like what you're doing so so you end up becoming more productive as a result because I think a lot of people especially in tech are sitting down and and just doing this monotonous whatever needing to focus and I mean you ever sit on a computer for longer than two hours you know how that can how painful that can be so it makes it the funny thing about this is if they would just eat right and exercise that would blow away get like normal sleep yeah that would blow away all the other substances that they're using but no micro dosing is a big one right yeah I don't know if that would blow I don't know if you could say that eating clean so that would blow away Adderall and LSD bro Oh dude take an unhealthy person put on an Adderall take an unhealthy person and just change their diet and have him exercise right which one's going to see better performance all the way around that's tough dude oh I 100% you're talking about a drug fucking high high high powerful drug that you're taking in that take Adderall every day and I'm not denying I'm just playing devil's advocate with you right now I'm not denying that how amazing somebody feels when you take somebody on a shitty diet depression and sleeping terrible and you I mean it's it is like a surge of you know natural cocaine you're on all the time after doing that 100% but I mean I've experienced Adderall I've experienced a lot of these drugs and I would consider myself a healthy person as far as how I take care of myself exercise stress sleep things like that and those things are crazy well well they are they are but here's the difference Adderall when you or Ritalin when you first take it you get these great effects you keep taking it and you start losing those effects oh okay well yeah side with fitness with you know proper exercise nutrition you you may not get the acute effect right away but it gets better and better and better and never stops yeah that's more of a gradual I mean that's that I agree with that I mean definitely agree with that for sure so I think it's you know that's why I'm trying you know that's basically what I'm trying to I mean I'm not trying to be pro all these drugs and get everybody but I'm just this is being real I mean they also do work is I mean they're very effective as far as like getting you you know to to be super stimulated and be focused and all that like there's a part of that but like you said that will wear off you know in the doses will go up and up and up and the other challenges will come afterwards all that shit yeah that's the channel the challenge is to be able to to use things intermittently without getting addicted to that that feeling right of oh my god I was so productive I'm gonna do that again oh my god so I'm gonna do that again oh I'm gonna do that it is or if you're doing that with health and fitness oh I felt so good because I got a good night's rest and I ate well too you do it again like you're just gonna continue to reap the benefit so I get where you're going with that angle like and I 100% agree but if you're into like a pinch you know like okay today only right yeah of course yeah that's I mean like that you compare two people heads up who just ate good yesterday and this person who's no matter all it's like back in the day it was Wall Street was all like cocaine right yep I mean that that was the deal yeah I feel like I see less of cocaine and cigarettes because nicotine also will keep you up and now that's making a resurgence right now these these little jewels and vape pens and all that that in the snuff or whatever yeah that's nicotine is making a comeback right now you know it's funny about nicotine is that nicotine by itself you know it's a highly addictive but other than that doesn't really have all these it doesn't have tons of negative effects on the body might actually be protective against Alzheimer's there's a couple studies that show that it might be it's not confirmed but having it through back up bad for you always bad for you well that's just because of all the other car sentigins that come with it right yeah I mean give yourself cancer I mean it's that's like the worst it's funny when I trained there was about four vascular surgeons that I trained right they work on the vascular system obviously and I asked them you know one day I was hanging out with all of them and I'm like what's the one worst thing that you see that your patients do and they all said oh 90% of our patients smoke or use tobacco in some form that's why they see us it's the fuck's up the vascular system like 90% of them like for sure so I told I yeah they're like oh you go in with blood clots and problems with your veins your heart is like it's super problematic yeah tobacco is terrible man terrible your cancer risk factor goes like the worst thing you could the single worst thing you could do to yourself is you know use those things amazing that we have that many people still smoking cigarettes I know I remember asking them too I'm like so what's gonna happen when everybody stops smoking you're gonna lose a lot of business they all laugh they thought it was that was kind of funny but yeah but yeah it's people are always looking for that I guess that competitive edge or whatever they always will yeah humans you know it's funny nature if you take all drugs I had this conversation with a friend of mine who's like super into this kind of stuff and you know he was telling me how you could take drugs and you can put them into two categories ego boosting or ego dissolving so he's like look you know cocaine alcohol like those are ego boosting like you do a bunch of cocaine you think you're the shit and you become more of an asshole you give someone LSD or mushrooms marijuana marijuana they tend to have that ego dissolving effect I thought it was an interesting way to put things so I never heard it before but sounds like it makes sense but I'm sure they could both do no I can see that anytime I've taken any of those well all the hippie drugs all the hippie drugs unless you're so enlightened over everybody else it becomes ego right that's I was just gonna say yeah that's a good point is then you become what the self-right you can make anything you need to go yeah yeah I know I was there I'm woke yeah I was speaking to jaguars next up is miss Audrey Lynn what are the most beneficial habits that you have implemented into your daily routine this is cool you wanted this question I did I think it's I think these are these are like power you know what I like to I like that that I know you guys' answers and mine will be different than what the average person I what I I can't stand hearing and maybe this is just because I worked for a marine boss forever and he was just like it was all about the the 5 a.m. routine and doing all this crazy shit when he first woke up and I've just never been that guy like I've just no matter how many times I've tried or how many times I've had jobs where I wake up early in the morning I've just never been somebody who has this great morning routine and some and some of these guys will argue that the most successful people in the world have these crazy morning routines and you know I I can't debate it like I'm sure there is a lot of guys that have and girls that have can killer morning routines that have you know transcended into great success for them but I've had a lot of success in my life and I fucking hate mornings so I think there's other things in my life that have been impactful now I'm thinking like health and fitness wise like since we're we're talking health and fitness right now so the big things that have been huge for me that I've started to do over my career and I've mentioned this before on the show one of those is getting in the habit of eating all of my like proteins and fats first so instead of like being like oh I'm either on or off the diet or saying like I can't have this that's bad for me like I don't do that like if I want something and I'm gonna have it like if I were out at a restaurant and I'm going through the menu and I'm like oh this that plate that dish sounds amazing like I'm not going to restrict I'm going to do it but what I will do is instead of indulging in all the bread that comes to the table right away or the chips and salsa that comes right away like I'll pass on that I'll enjoy my this meal that I'm looking forward to and then when I eat it I'll eat it in a different order so I'll normally go through all my vegetables right so if I have a salad or the greens like I'll clear that first and then I'll move to the proteins and fats and then the very last thing that I'll indulge in is the carbohydrates or the starches and that served me really well because by the time I normally get to the starch I rarely finish it all the way because the way we most places serve like the portion size that we get is ridiculous and they serve reverse you know starch first right so if I can discipline myself just to eat in order and that's saying to if the bread's on the table I can still have it like if for some reason I was so hungry because I was so deprived calorie wise that I eat my whole plate and go to the bread then so be it like and my body probably can handle it because I've had that I've been depleted so much that it's not going to do a lot of damage is where it gets in we get you in trouble is when you start off with all the bread and the butter and the chips and the crackers and all that shit first and then you eat the carb while you're also and then you and then you look at your plate and you up leaving some of the most nutrient dense foods and the stuff that's most beneficial for your body on the plate still and you just over consume so that's been a huge thing that's a simple little thing that I've been able to do that I think has been able to mitigate the amount of excess weight that I've ever put on my body as I've aged the other one that's been a huge game changer for me and we I really started this with Katrina when her and I first started dating and especially when we're going through competing and it was important that I kept my steps and things like that up is just learning to move after I eat it's I when I really started to look into like my eating habits I'm for sure I was notorious for eating in front of the TV or eating and then wanting to lay down and relax or watch a movie and just be sedentary after it because you just had a big meal all I feel good and then now I want to relax and chill and instead of doing that getting up and actually going for and I the great part about it is I don't put the pressure of all I gotta go burn this off it's not like that which I think that's a bad relationship that some people however they eat and they're like I gotta go exercise off no it's just I'm gonna go for a stroll I'm gonna go walk for 20 minutes to an hour depending on how I'm feeling if her and I are in great conversation and we're connecting with each other and the walk is nice and it's beautiful we'll walk for an hour sometimes but I make it a habit to at least make it like a 20 minute stroll right after I consume and I instantly feel the difference like just the way I can feel my food get digested better I feel like I burn off so I mean obviously you burn off so because you're walking and you're moving so you're burning calories those two things are are habits that I have definitely started to do as I've gotten older and I've seen a I've seen it help me out a lot as far as maintaining my whole gravity is a part of digestion obviously because everything that's why that's why you're you're your anus is at the bottom of your body and your mouth is at the top of your body that's why we evolve that way because gravity helps me that's a good point and then we go down the shoot and then when you're walking you know the muscles that activate your your legs and your hips or many of them actually move in and around or on top of your your digestive system and they actually help massage massage the process they do in fact if you have a like an inflamed appendix one of the tests that they'll do on you to see if it's your appendix is they'll activate your so as muscle and if it hurts then they know because it sits right there where the appendix is so now that's a that's a great one walking to a very very good it's funny because rituals are such important things for successful people all have rituals and it's because it creates space you know it's like if you ritualize something because time is so valuable you remember it you do it a particular way you don't need to have that that space occupied in your mind you have that space now for hard work or creative type things so you know that's real important for me at the moment I do I'd say most important consistent daily things that I do that are my routine is working out in the morning it's harder to work out in the morning I definitely don't have as much energy or fire to get going however doing it in the morning makes me super much easier to be consistent and when I'm done I feel ready for the day I just feel good and I feel ready for the day and so I really value that that first thing in the morning work out and the second thing is you know Jessica and I most nights not every night but most nights when the kids go to bed or even if we don't have the kids we have this room set up in our in our house that has two chairs you know it's on this nice you know fluffy carpet or whatever we have books in front of us and what we you know we have this like stand in between us and we'll turn all the lights off or down and we'll have tea and we'll sit there and either very quietly not talk or many times just have nice conversation at the end of the evening this was her this was something that she brought to the relationship she really said oh I don't like to just go to bed I like to just wind down and have a nice conversation with you and now that I've done it consistently I really have it great habit yeah it's a great habit you go to bed you sleep nicely you get to kind of reconnect even if it's for 10 you know minutes or 30 minutes it's something now that I start to value as part of my my daily routine it's like the end cap to to the my day yeah I think you know since coming home like I remember Jordan Peterson what he talked about as far as like your energy is that you bring back home to your family and to your significant other I really took that to heart even more so these days and like you know the past few months have been really working on how I enter a room and how I really present myself and whether or not I'm like super exhausted or like super overwhelmed with things going on or you know like I just want to make sure that I'm bringing that energy in and then it changes the dynamic of because there's a lot of chaos in my family I'm gonna be honest I have a puppy that's running around biting shit and eating stuff and you know kids kind of you know inevitably at the end of the day sometimes we'll get at each other and so I just come in and make sure that like I'm coming in with good energy and I'm getting everybody outside the house I usually take everybody out immediately for a hike or a walk and just to kind of set a better tone and then we all kind of reconnect and then we come back this usually takes only like 30 minutes sometimes we'll go for like an hour and like we'll let them really expend a lot of energy and then it's like there's this sort of a process where I've been able to then if I have anything extra I need to work on I'll go into my office and they'll turn on Brain FM which I swear to God like if I didn't know what I did before Brain FM but like I put focus on and it really helps me to use that time specifically and wisely so it helps me to really block out a lot of other chatter and noise and everything else going on meanwhile the kids like have now learned to sort of play and let me kind of do my thing and then the dogs gotten enough energy out to where he's manageable and I mean there's just all these little parts of the process like for me I've never been a morning person so like Adam what I've found really helpful is to set up my day beforehand before bed so I set everything I mean my clothes like everything is ready to go like I you know if I'm bringing like food you know to work like that's all in the fridge rare like my coffee like a lot of times now I brew my coffee ahead of time and then like I drink iced coffee anyway so then I'll put it in the fridge and so I just don't have to think about it and that's been really helpful because then I'm like I'm waking up and it helps me to meet the day better and I have a better attitude and driving over to work I just listen to podcasts or like audio books and I get fed information which you know has been really helpful too so Are you guys doing cold rinses every day at the end of your shower? Oh I haven't done that in a while I've done it consistently for a long time now and it's such a great part of my routine at the end of every shower I do about 30 seconds of just you know as cold as it gets You know what during that I was really really good about the funny part because this would be the easier time when it's hot but I actually because I know it's more beneficial for me during the winter time like to make sure I'm doing the hot cold contrast because just because the colds and things like that that are going around so I was really good this last winter of being very consistent with that that's something that I haven't been consistent with and then Justin mentioned something that maybe one of the we brought up not long ago like the sponsors that we use most and Brain FM isn't a sponsor but they are a partner of ours and man they I probably have used their stuff more than anything more than any supplement or anything we we've ever done before I mean that for focus sessions I think I use that one the least but I still use it I still definitely use the focus stuff but man to settle me down at night if I'm we talk about you you talk about you winding down with your girl like those are all ideal like for me too because I'm the same way like Trina and I like to but in real life there's certain times where you know she just had an she had an event at seven o'clock and she didn't get home to like 10 I'm doing work all the way to like 10 and so we're both buzzing and that's like okay we're the normal routine of winding down isn't there like it's kind of a great way to hijack that right or to use that as a crutch in those moments where I can go turn that on it works oh man it works dude that thing works so damn well and it works even on the because they they recommend it in your ears which I think is the best way if you have you know noise cancellation headphones but we put it even on our Bose speaker right next to the bed and it works for both I wish it worked through the sonos like through Wi-Fi but I haven't figured that out yet oh really yeah I've done I've done it just you know like like hardwired hooked up to a speaker but yeah excellent well if you want to use brain FM go to brain FM forward slash mine pump and we set up a lot lifelong kind of promo it's 20% off so pretty good also if you go to mine pump free.com you can get any of our guides for free the newest one that's up is a guide on how to help yourself if you have chronic back pain so again that's mine pump free.com thank you for listening to mine pump if your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance check out our discounted rgbsuperbundle at minepumpmedia.com the rgbsuperbundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance and maps aesthetic nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks feels and performs with detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos the rgbsuperbundle is like having Sal Adam and Justin as your own personal trainers but at a fraction of the price the rgbsuperbundle has a full 30 day money back guarantee and you can get it now plus free valuable free resources at minepumpmedia.com if you enjoy this show please share the love by leaving us a 5 star rating and review on itames and by introducing mine pump to your friends and family we thank you for your support and until next time this is mine pump