Hello and thank you for joining us today at Washington Circle. We're live at the U.S. Department of State in Foggy Bottom, Washington, D.C. just steps from the National Mall. I'm your host, Mary Evans, Academic Exchange Specialist in the Western Hemisphere Fulbright Programs Branch in the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs. There I currently manage our Fulbright exchanges with Argentina, Brazil, Canada and Paraguay. I'm delighted to be with you today and with our very special guest, Margo Lee Shetterly. She's the author of Hidden Figures, The American Dream and the Untold Story of the Black Women Who Helped Win the Space Race. She's also the founder of the Human Computer Project where she's gathering stories of women working at NACA and NASA in the early days of aeronautics and the American Space Program. So thank you so much for being here with us today, Margo. Thanks, Mary. And so before we jump into the conversation, I wanted to give a special shout out to those watching at viewing parties around the world, along with those who have joined us today in studio. So say hi. Hello to those of you joining us in El Salvador, Chile, Colombia, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Mexico, Canada, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Cote d'Ivoire and Djibouti. We have quite an audience today out there. So thank you so much for joining us. I'd also like to give a special welcome to the Greensboro Virtual Book Club in North Carolina and to the many alumni that participated in the Hidden No More International Visitor Leadership Program Exchange that brought 48 women scientists and engineers to the United States just last month. You're looking forward to your good questions. So as a reminder, you can type into the chat box below the video player or use the hashtag Ask Margo Lee Shetterly on Facebook or Twitter to join the conversation. And if you're in the studio with us today, please make sure that you say your name, where you are from, and what exchange program you participated in before you ask your question. Okay? All right. They said okay. So Margo, I know that you shared this story many times over the past few months and a year and a half. And you mentioned it in the prologue of your book, but it would be great if you could give us, if you could share a bit about the idea behind Hidden Figures or when the idea to write this book came to you and how that process sort of unfolded. Sure. But first, I just want to say, you know, I live some time in Mexico. So I just want to say, especially a toro mis amigos en la ciudad de Mexico, muy buenos tardes. So I actually, and I was living in Mexico. My husband and I spent some time living there when Hidden Figures came about. And what happened is we had gone home to Hampton, Virginia, where I'm from, where my parents still live. And we were visiting with them over Christmas in 2010 and ran into one of the women that I had actually known, she was a Sunday school teacher and someone in the neighborhood but somebody who had worked at NASA. And my dad was sort of talking about her and the work that she had done. And by extension, this group of women who'd worked as mathematicians and mentioned Catherine Johnson and the work that she had done on calculating the launch windows for the early Mercury missions. And just a very matter of fact, my dad's a scientist and he sort of like takes these things for granted, as many of us did there in Hampton, Virginia. And my husband couldn't believe it. He was like, you know, this is amazing. I have never heard the story I didn't read about in the history books.  I knew these women. I didn't really know the story. I'm curious about it. I should know more. Like this is where I came from, where I grew up. And that was really the moment that sparked what became Hidden Figures. Yeah, well, that's great. And I'm sure that throughout your research, because I know you spent, I think it was at least three years, right, that you spent just starting the research for the book. Just, yeah, just the research period was really from 2010 to almost 2014, the just very intensive research period. Right. So you must have uncovered quite a bit. And so one thing that we're curious about is how you settled on the four sort of main protagonists that you did, thinking of Dorothy Vaughan, Mary Jackson, Christine Darden, and Catherine Johnson, of course.  That's a great question. It was really a very evolutionary thing. I had known the story of Catherine Johnson. I think a lot of people who grew up in Hampton or who had some affiliation with NASA had probably heard her name. She's been somewhat well known because of that affiliation with the astronauts for a long time. But it was really through the first conversation I had with Catherine Johnson that I heard the name Dorothy Vaughan. Dorothy Vaughan was in the very first, that first year that NASA started recruiting Black women as mathematicians. And I hadn't heard her name. My father actually hadn't heard her name. He was just starting his career when she was retiring. But Catherine Johnson spoke so highly of Dorothy Vaughan. And that was when I first realized that there was this segregated Black mathematicians group, these Black women. And so that sent me off in one direction. And Mary Jackson was another person who I did know of. And I do remember she had worked with my father. And then so really it was this evolutionary process of finding people who in a lot of ways could stand in for this group experience. The thing that was so exciting about this story is it didn't have to be just one woman who had come. It was like this group of Black women, they were part of this larger group of women from all backgrounds. And they had come in during World War II by and large. And they had done very well over time. But I needed to find those people who could represent the stories that I wanted to tell, the advance of women in computing, the space race, civil rights, the growth of the airplane industry. All of those things I wanted to be able to tell, the desegregation of education. And those four women were able to do that. Right, no, that makes a lot of sense. I mean, I think something that you've said before and that really resonated with me is that it's one thing to sort of be the first or the only. But it's not just about that. It's something about being a part of a group that sort of continue to do those things. So no one can dismiss and say, oh, it was just that woman. Exactly. But it's this whole cohort that was moving through and doing all this. No, that's great. Thank you for sharing that. So we have one question that's already come in from Waleska Aldana Segura. So she's a Guatemalan alumna from the Hidden No More IVLP, the International Visitor Leadership Program. So she's particularly interested in the balance that you strike in the book between highlighting the computer's abilities as mathematicians, but then also the thousands of everyday challenges and obstacles they were confronting at the same time. So her question is, how did you strike that balance in the book? How did you decide how much of each to include? And in particular, Waleska would like to know, what did Catherine Johnson think of the way you told the story and of that balance? Well, I thought it was really important to show the entire people, the entire person. I think a lot of times, particularly with scientists, we see them with their science identity. And we think of them as these geeky, unsociable people who are locked in the lab for hours and don't have anything else to do. These women were married, they had children, they were part of a community. They were leading Girl Scout troops. They were leading Girl Scout troops. It was really important to me to show all of their identities. They really inhabited that. They had very close ties, obviously, to the black community. They were very proud as women. They had a lot of outside interest. They were interested in music. Catherine Johnson was a great bridge player. I think all of those things are what make them compelling. And I think also what make them great role models, accessible. They didn't have to be just Einstein, this lonely scientist. And really, Catherine Johnson and her family were wonderful from the very beginning of sharing their stories and participating, not just with me, but also with the filmmakers once the movie got underway. And speaking of role models, we actually had another question that had come in already from another. It had no more alumna, Carolyn Doll. She was the Swedish delegate to the program. So she was curious about ways that we can address sort of harmful stereotypes. So she saw the story that the book tells as holding up role models, like you mentioned, that expose these negative stereotypes for what they are. But she's curious. She wants to know if through your research or even through your own personal experience, if you've come across other effective means of fighting against sexism and racism. Well, before I started working on this book, I really had no idea how powerful storytelling is, as a means of compelling or persuading people to a point of view. My first job was as an investment banker. And so writing the book and imagining these women and what it was to be the first woman, or the only woman, or the only black woman, and a room full of very hard-charging men, I was like, ah, you know what, I've been there before. And I know something, obviously not anything close to what those women experienced. But I knew something of what they had gone through. But I had always felt the way they did that being really good at your job, being not taking no for an answer, doing all those things that were taught to do, I think, nowadays to move ourselves forward and to advocate for other women. I think those things are all absolutely necessary. But also telling the stories. And if you're in a situation, thinking about this as a story, a situation, and people seeing competing points of view, and really trying to compel people through the power of story, I think that's really effective. Right, no. And we actually have something in our bureau called the Collaboratory. And they've been working on some different storytelling initiatives to do storytelling training for us here at the department so that people who've been on exchanges like the audience we have here today or those watching can be able to more effectively say, this is what my experience was, this is why it matters, and just help people to see it, to have some more buy-in in these types of exchange programs that we have. So the power of story is very real. Very real. And if you're here for any length of time, Story District in DC is also a great place to hear some good storytelling. But anyway, I'd like to give a shout out very quickly to the Girls Steam Club hosted by the American Space in Manila in the Philippines. The girls are currently reading Hidden Figures. They're meeting with Steam experts, and they will be watching this episode of Washington Circle together later. It's like middle of the night there right now. So I'd like to go right now to a video question we received from a member of the group and a student at Manila Science High School. Hi, I'm Patricia Perez from Manila Science High School in the Philippines. And I'd like to ask, how far has equality gone from within the context of the book of the present? And is it enough to match the legacy left by these four women? Yeah, so this is Patricia Perez from the Philippines, and she's curious to know how far has equality gone from within the context of the book to the present? And is it enough to match the legacy of these four women? Well, first of all, I just want to say thank you, Patricia, and everyone there in Manila for staying up so late to watch and tune in for us. Your question is great. The fact is there has been so much progress since the time of Dorothy Vaughn and Catherine Johnson and Mary Jackson. And obviously segregation, the fact that women, not just in their work lives, and their legal lives, for example, have so many more rights than those days. So I think we have to remember that there has been so much progress that's happened. At the same time, we have to recognize that there is still a lot of things that we still need to do. I mean, the Google memo issue from two months ago, however long, about women and women's capabilities in science technology. We're in a place where women were the dominated, basically, early days of computing, and that has gone away in terms of percentages. So we've made a lot of progress, but obviously there are still a lot more progress left to be made. Sure. And I wanted to ask one quick question about that, because I know that you're also the founder of the Human Computer Project. And so I've done a little research about that before meeting with you today. And something that you said about it before that I thought was really interesting is that part of the reason you're cataloging these stories isn't just to have a catalog of them, but you said there were so many women in math and science and engineering at that time, and maybe we can use some of the lessons from the Human Computer Project to inform the present or to inform the future. And you kind of alluded to that in your answer. So can I ask really quickly, how is that project going? And do you feel like you're, I mean, do you have any plans for how you want to share that information? I mean, if you find out some things that could really, I think, inspire girls and young women to pursue those careers.  We talk about women and their historical participation in STEM fields, not just to have anecdotal evidence, but to have hard statistical evidence. And I'm hoping things for hidden figures, the book, are slowing down finally, hopefully enough to the point where I can really turn my attention to that and moving that forward. I think a lot of it will get done right now. It's just, it's like a little startup. Yeah, but it's long-term, it has to be a collaborative project just because there are so many people who are tapped into different sources. I was just on a panel with the author Liza Mundy, who wrote a book about the Code Girls, Women Coding in World War II. Here's another group, huge group of women doing cryptology analysis, technical fields, starting in World War II that we didn't know about. So I think that really making the connections between these different people, both technical people and historians, who know those stories, I think that's the way that we're gonna get a full picture of what women have done, particularly in STEM fields since World War II. Yeah, and I noticed that you have a hashtag that you use for that, which is the I look like an engineer. Yeah, that's actually not my hashtag, but it has been, I think since 2015, has been trending on Twitter and it's great because, again, we talk about hidden figures. Hidden figures is really about blind spots and about who looks like an engineer, scientist or mathematician.  Yeah, no, and so we'd like to encourage everybody if you feel up for it, please. If you're in the STEM fields and you wanna take a photo and share it and say I look like an engineer, we would love to see some more photos coming in because of our conversation today. So hopefully- Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Yeah, it'd be great, so thank you. I think we'd like to take a question from our studio audience. So is anyone interested in, yeah, we've got one in the middle there, I think. Hi, my name is Amanda Thilett and I'm from Denver, Colorado. And I completed a Fulbright in Leipzig, Germany during 2015-2016. And so my question relates to the process of writing the book and how you really made sure to make sure that the stories of these four remarkable women were accurately represented. And then kind of your role in helping to make sure that this was then kind of parlayed into the movie as well. Right, so, well, the documentation of the book at the research phase of the book was really fascinating. And I just loved every minute of the research. I spent a lot of time in the national archives, NASA archives, magazines, newspapers, the black newspapers were particularly helpful for me. And obviously a lot of time collecting oral histories, not just with the women, with their families, but the engineers who worked with them, other people who worked at NASA or the NACA at the same time. And in terms of your question about the movie, I was a consultant on the movie and was an executive producer, but was not involved in writing the screenplay. But really was just an incredible experience to see, to have worked on the story, turn the story into a book and then to see it take on this entirely new life in a different medium. So it's been quite an interesting few years. Thank you. We had a question that came in from our viewers online. It's Hema Manzanaris, who's from Nicaragua. She participated in Hidden No More as well. And she asks, are there any female authors that inspired you to become a writer? If so, which ones? And do you have any authors that you would recommend, besides yourself, of course, for a young aspiring writer? Oh my gosh, there's so many different, oh my God, there's too many writers to mention. Toni Morrison is an amazing favorite.  I just, I really love that and really wanted to be able to do that in the book. Barbara Tuckman, she's a historian who writes a lot about World War I, like a very kind of real politic, I guess, kind of historian. But she's another one whose research methods are just astonishing, the lengths to which she went to get the details right in her books, I think are a real model. But I mean, we could have an entire different show just talking about great writers and how they inspire us. Yeah, well that's true, as an English major, I agree. There's something that I read that you said in an interview with The Muse, with Jezebel's The Muse. And it had to do with the time that you spent writing the book. You spent a lot of time in Mexico working on it. And you said that I think the distance from your own country helps you see things more clearly. And I thought that was really interesting, especially considering the people we have watching today who have spent maybe days, weeks, months, even years away from their home countries. And so I'm curious, I know you were speaking specifically about the context of writing that book, but what do you think? I mean, do you think that that could be expanded? What did that distance really do for you? And what do you think it can do in general? I think there are a couple of things. One, very specifically for me, not being in that very immediate crush of American life and American media, and really being caught up in everything that was happening in the United States, meant that I could take kind of a time machine and travel back to the United States of 1943 and 45, and to do it through the documents and through the stories of the women, and really immerse myself in that life without the intrusion of the modern American life. So that was really, just in terms of the writing and thinking, that was a real gift. But I think also in terms of perspective, I think when you live outside of your country, you get two different perspectives. One is that you get to see the things that are very specific to your country in a different way. You know, there are things that you don't know about being an American and this thing that it means to be an American when you're there that you can see when you're not. The other thing is that you also get perspective on the transcendent and the understanding of, well, this is the same thing that happens in the United States. It's going on in Mexico. It's going on in France. You know, I mean, these things that are very similar. Like the commonality of human experience. The commonality, absolutely. And I think that the combination of those two things and really sharpens your powers of observation. And I think it sort of gives you an ability to empathize with other people and thus to empathize with the people that you're writing about. I think that's what happened for me. Yeah, no, that's great. I mean, that's sort of what we believe in primarily here is that these people-to-people exchanges, right? That those relationships that are formed end up having the ability to transcend all kinds of barriers and borders. You know, both ones that might be social or mental, but also like the physical and political borders that we have. Absolutely. So it's powerful, so thank you for that. It looks like we have another question that came in from our online audience. We have Nana Saleh from Indonesia. She was also a participant with Hidden No More, so we have a lot of those ladies tuning in.  Can you tell us more about the Hidden Figures Children's Book you will be launching in January of 2018? Yeah, so one of the things that's been so great about Hidden Figures is that this appeal that the story has had to people of all ages. So the Young Readers edition, which is really for kids like eight to 12, let's say. I almost checked that one out from the library by mistake. Oh, well, you know, that's okay too, right? But that came out in December of last year and that has been really wonderful. But the point of this book is to take it down one more level in terms of age groups. So it's a picture book. And beautifully illustrated by an author named Laura Freeman and it really tells the story. It's the same story again, the same characters, but just putting it in a format that will be most appealing for the youngest readers. So I'm really excited about it. I think that having these women to be role models for particularly for girls, not just girls. I mean, I think, you know, I've met a lot of boys who have found these women to be very inspiring, but particularly for girls at that young age and planting the seed that this is something that they might be able to do or want to do at that age. I'm so excited about it. Yeah, there's an anecdote in the book about Mary Jackson and her son where she's doing the Derby with him. And she says, you know, we have to sort of get the kids when they're at that right age. We have to get them when they're young. When they're young, because right around the time they start saying, no, I don't want to do math. I don't want to do science. It's too late. Yeah, it takes a lot to recover once they've sort of turned off from that interest. It takes a lot more energy to turn them back around. Right, right. Well, that sounds good. That sounds like the book's hopefully going to do that. I think we have time for another studio question. So we'll get the microphone to you so everybody can hear. Hi, I'm Krista. I am a sophomore undergrad at George Mason University and I studied in India through NSLIY. I grew up about 20 minutes from Hampton, Virginia, and being a mixed girl who went to a school that was built in 1954, your book really reminded me how much every opportunity I've had is predicated on the work these women did. And so I wanted to ask you, what advice do you have for my generation and our progeny as to how we should ensure that this progress of equality continues with the same fervor that it has for the past few decades? Yeah, I think one of the things that we have to remember is that history does not move in a straight line and all progress has to be nurtured. We really have to look at the progress that we've made in the past and to remember that it takes a lot of work to keep things moving forward. I think that is really important. One of the things that I think is really a key, and I think this is something that we saw with the women that I saw in the book, is that they had the power of networks. When there was a job opening, they passed it through their social networks and they found the next person to come and take a seat there. They did a lot of networking, not just in their churches and in their schools, but they went to conferences. They really saw this as a group effort. And so I think that taking a page from that playbook and saying it's not good enough just for me to do well and to do well in my career, but what I have to do is make a commitment to tutoring or to reaching out to younger people in their career or learning from older people in their career, like building this community. I think that is, it seems to me, one of the things these women did and one of the most effective ways to preserve progress and to keep moving forward. Yeah, thank you. Looks like we had another question come in from online. We have Geeta from Connecticut who asks, can you shed light on STEM education working for or with underprivileged girls? So she wants to work to empower Indian girls in particular. You know, one of the things that's really been so exciting to me as I've been on this hidden figure's journey is that there are so many groups now that are out there with that same mission. They want to empower girls wherever they are in the United States and India and different countries, particularly girls that maybe don't have that access, who don't have the resources, whose families maybe are struggling just to send them to school. So I guess I would say the internet has been this great leveling influence and if you do a search, you will find both national and regional and local groups that are doing that. The Girl Scouts, for example, have an excellent program encouraging girls to work for STEM. So there are so many groups out there, I think it's just a matter of plugging in to what they're doing, seeing the ones that are having great successes and maybe getting in touch with them and see how you can take that model local and adapt it for the circumstances there where you are in India. Yeah, that's great. The Viewing Group in Brazil, so I guess we have a group in Brazil too, how exciting. They're asking, so speaking of these programs that are trying to work for women and girls in STEM, we have this international visitor leadership program which brings people from other countries to the US generally for about three to four weeks and they get to travel around. Often they might be here in New York, sometimes in California, other states as well on all kinds of topics but we have this one hidden no more that's been designed based on the book and everything that's happened from that and so they're wondering how does it feel to know or how did it feel to know that your book has inspired this exchange program that there were these 48 women that came to the US as part of that? I mean, what does that feel like as an author? It's overwhelming. You know, it's overwhelming enough to see the response here in the United States but to know that this movie has been screened in more than 100 countries I guess. The book has been translated into 16 languages. It is really an honor. It is just wonderful and surprising but the thing about it is it tapped into something that was already there and I think that's really an interest in these kinds of stories and to see that women were there all the time. Women were there, they were doing the work, they weren't getting the credit but they were doing the work and I think it's sort of like people getting their hands on a story they've always wanted to read and they've always believed to be true but now there's proof. And now it's not just hidden figures, it's code girls, you know what I mean? There's so many stories and I think now that we are tuned in to the fact that we've missed this, now people are saying, okay, what else are we missing? How do we get on top of it? What doors do we open and what lights do we turn on so that we get the whole picture? So that is really, really exciting to me. And I happen to have read that Hidden Figures is not just sort of a standalone book, that it's actually a part of a trilogy. Is that right or it's been conceived of as one part of three, focusing on stories of other African-Americans during mid-century life in the US? That's right. Okay, that's all you've divulged as far as I was able to find. But is there anything more that you could channelize us with today, maybe a little bit of a preview for this exclusive audience? Well, I am just in the early stages of working on the second of these books which have to do with entrepreneurs, media entrepreneurs, the same way these women got their work identity through science, this group also, same period African-American protagonists, are entrepreneurs and business people and that was my first work identity, I guess, really as a finance and entrepreneur person. So I'm just trying to carve out enough space to write and really move that forward. And the third book has an international focus, so I'll just leave it at that. Okay, well that's good, that's good. World exclusive here at Washington Circle, you heard it here first. I think we have time for another studio question if there's any one who'd like to ask. Sure, we've got one here, just wait for the microphone. Hi, my name is Raymond Chappetta from Pennsylvania and I studied through the NSLI program in Tajikistan. Can I explain really quickly what that is? Because I think, Certainly. Yeah, so the National Security Languages Initiative, Nesli is what we call it here. And so it's designed to have students who are maybe learning lesser or more uncommonly taught languages in the US. So something like, we have everything from Chinese, Arabic, something that might be more common to things like Urdu and I think in Farsi and different things. And so you were in Azerbaijan, is that what you said? Tajikistan. Oh, Tajikistan. So you were studying Farsi? Yes. Okay. So thank you guys, thanks for telling us. And I currently in DC I work with science policy. And I was curious if you know, there's anything exciting or that stands out to you in terms of encouraging science either here in the United States or maybe also abroad. You know, I think that, I mean, I personally think it's really exciting the initiative of going to Mars and that after so much time, you know, the moon landing was in 1969 and I guess the last, I think the last Apollo mission was in 71, but it's been a really long time since we've had that kind of exciting space, you know, program. So I think that that's something that's really exciting to me. But you know, there's so, I mean, we're living in the world of the future now in a lot of ways. The technologies that are coming to the fore whether it's artificial intelligence or CRISPR, which I think is really this, you know, gene, basically. Oh right, the gene splicing thing, right? Yeah, the gene splicing thing. I mean, it is like, it is such a fascinating world that we're living in in terms of science. And really, I think the challenge will be the social issues of figuring out what do we do with those technologies? How do we implement them? What are the, you know, these are not cheap initiatives, where do we find the money? You know, and if we fund going to Mars, what does that mean for your language study program? For example. So, but I think the thing that all of these things have in common is that they're really interesting. They're fascinating and science gets a bad rap is being really boring and really hard. And you know, honestly, some of the most exciting moments of the 20th century and before have come from science, from scientists and engineers. And if we could kind of show that to not just kids, but the general public, then, you know, I think that a lot of the effort to get people into STEM fields would have a tailwind. Yeah, it's almost like, I guess, in October Sky, wasn't that the movie or the book that talked about? Yeah, the Hoverhicken book. Yeah, and the space race. And just sort of how there was that, when you sort of had that thing to rally around, right? When there was that exciting goal to reach toward, that that sort of- Let's all work together. Yeah, there was like a groundswell of people being interested in German. Thank you for your question. We had another question come in from online. This is from Talibah Sun, an English language fellow in Colombia. She comments that real feminism to her is all of the things that you are actually doing and have done. So she's curious about what you think about the concept of feminism, perhaps nowadays in Latin America, maybe have some insight into that from your time in Mexico too. Yeah, what are your thoughts on feminism? That's kind of a big question, but we'll try to tackle it. I know, yeah. It's just like, okay, yeah. Well, as long as I don't have to answer, right?  And I think that the feminism, it's a way of asserting, it's saying that, you know, I am a full human. I'm a female person, but I am interested in my work. I want full rights, you know? I mean, all of these things, right? I want the same things that you want, that all of us want essentially, you know? I think that's what that is, it's saying, you know, I am going to inhabit my full humanity and I'm gonna fight to do that because I am a human, you know? And so for me, you know, going to Latin America, living in Mexico was really interesting because there were some ways in which, you know, as like professional American woman, you know, I felt like, wow, there's still a lot of things that need to change here. But then there were things in which you said, wow, you know, we really need to take a lesson. You know, there was a female presidential candidate in the last election. You know, I met a lot of, you know, very powerful female politicians. And, you know, so I think that, you know, and again, kind of going back to what you learn from living outside of the country is that you have this very, you're sort of born into one way of seeing the world from, you know, because of where you come from. But then when you live in a different country, you see how people take the same ideas and the same aspirations and put them into practice in a different way. And so that's, you know, that was, it was interesting for me to be an entrepreneur and a business person living outside of the United States and learning from that. Yeah. And I was thinking about this too. I think there's something about feminism, and I guess I'm cheating, because I am going to answer the question, that has to do with choice and the freedom to make a choice, right? About what you're going to do for your career or if you're going to have a credit card or those sorts of things. That you have the choice. Yeah. That somebody has not already made that choice for you. Made the choice for you, right? And I know that there are moments in the book where the different characters sort of choose things like family. They make a choice to move or to not move to Houston or something like that because they say, no, I'm choosing family in this case or we want to stay here. We want to do this. And I noticed that when you write about it, it's, I mean, it's just, that was the choice that they made. And it's almost feminist in a sense that they got to be the deciders of whether or not they would make the move in a certain sense.  I mean, I think sometimes I just really appreciated the way that you said, and then they said, nope, we're going to stay in Hampton because this is where our family is. And that's important to us. So I don't know. I think that, I think that was true. I mean, one of the things that was definitely true for the black women is that this job in particular, I think for all women, but especially the black women, it opened up an income that transformed their family's lives. And they were like, okay, we are going to keep these jobs and, but they still had to manage all of these other, like there was never, I think, I don't know that they saw it as a decision because this is the best thing for my family and my future and my community. We're going to move forward in this direction. But I think also, and this is another reason why I wanted to tell the story as a group story, is that when you look at just that one person or when you see it just as you, when you think about just your story, then I think it creates a lot of pressure. You're like, am I doing the thing that's right for me or for my family, for other women, for the cause, whatever. The weight of the world. The weight of the world, it is. But if you see yourself as a part of a group of people who are all, have the same idea, but are maybe putting it into practice in different ways, then maybe that takes the pressure off a little bit and you can find, maybe your role isn't to be the first female CEO of whatever company and if your failure, if you're not, but maybe the role was to step back and to nurture these other people or you know what I mean? Or if it is to be that first person, to find the people around you to make it possible. So I think that you're right. It is about choice. It's about seeing the big picture and figuring out how you fit in to advance that progress and this humanizing project that we're always at work at here. Well, because I know you mentioned Dorothy Vaughn. I mean, she sort of ended up, instead of taking a promotion, I think she started working to bring more. Mary Jackson. Oh, was it Mary Jackson? Yeah, exactly. No, no, no. Yeah, you're totally right though. No, Mary Jackson. To bring more Black women in and support them sort of in their careers. Yeah, yeah, all the women in fact. She topped out in her career. She'd worked very hard to become an engineer and but she at the very end, she said, you know what? I am going to human resources and that is the best use of the last part of my career at NASA. Which is really, you know, I mean, I think anybody who has ever been on the fast track and wanted it so badly and worked for it and, you know, blood, sweat and tears for it to say, you know what? I have to close that door and do something else. Like the guts and the courage and the generosity that it takes to do that, you know, really makes Mary Jackson just like one of my favorite all-time people in history. And it's just, I think it's in the epilogue even where you get to talk about that and how that didn't really get as much development. But it was probably one of the more inspiring parts for me of saying, you know, I'm going to do this sort of for the greater good to not just my own personal advancement.  And the role changed, but the mission did not change. It's a good way to put it. We actually have a question from a 12-year-old boy, Yafif, who's watching at a viewing party in Nicaragua. So he wants to know a little bit about Dorothy Vaughn's childhood. I guess that is pretty interesting, especially because she was the first. So she would have been born, I think, the earliest in the 20th century, right? Yeah, of the women that I wrote about. Yeah. She was born in 1910. And she was born in Kansas City, Missouri. And then her family moved to West Virginia. And I, you know, one of the great moments after I got to know her daughter, her daughter gave me a picture of her when she was 15 years old. Oh, wow. You know, just absolutely beautiful, but also very kind of confident and serene personality.  Yeah, she was a math whiz. She was a real math whiz. But she was also an independent spirit, you know? So Catherine, I mean, Dorothy Vaughn, after she left college, you know, she went and she had one job. She went to Wilbur Forrest College in Ohio. She took a job as a teacher in Illinois and the school closed down. It was during depression. She took another job in North Carolina. She ended up in Farmville, Virginia. So she was also somebody who was sort of fearless for that time, like picking up and going places was a real part of her nature. I'm pretty far, too.  That was really far, yeah. And to travel that distance by herself as, you know, someone even two years younger than the rest of the people in college. So, you know, so I think she was somebody who was exceptionally smart from a very young age, but also a really intrepid person. Yeah, very cool. We have one last question coming in from our viewing party in Ottawa, Canada. So they ask, what do we do next collectively as we think about the digital divide and how to bridge that gap? So the digital divide being participation, especially in marginalized communities? Well, I think what's really exciting is how more accessible and less expensive digital technology has become.  And now people get online through their phones and it's really remarkable.  I mean, it's just remarkable what you can do. But I think there are still institutions that are very committed to bridging that divide.  So I think, you know, a certain amount of public and community support for those, for access, you know, for making sure that people have access, not just in the most privileged zip codes, but, you know, all across our country and around the world. But I think that, you know, there are a lot of social entrepreneurs who are also trying to make that happen. Yeah, yeah. And we're gonna try to squeeze in one final question from Twitter. So, Wilson Carranza asks, what attitudes from the three women do you think we should all imitate in order to succeed? Ah, well, they had so many amazing qualities. I learned so much from them. They never took no for an answer. So if any of you have seen the movie and you saw the scene with Katherine Johnson, you know, fighting over and over and over and over again, asking to get into the meetings, the research meetings, that was true, you know, that was true. And I think that her desire for knowledge and to be in contact, in close contact with those engineers and the information was greater than her fear of the rejection. Or her fear of them thinking that, you know, she wasn't good enough or because she was black or because she's a woman, she didn't deserve it. You know, her curiosity always triumphed over that. And that's something, I think that was really true for all of these women. It wasn't that they were without doubt. You know, it wasn't that they didn't have moments where they said to themselves, you know, can I do this or should I be here? But at the end of the day, you know, they had done the homework, they had worked as hard as they could and they felt they belonged there. And because of that, they pushed and they insisted. And then once they got into those rooms, they really worked to bring the other women along with them. Yeah, great, thank you. It looks like we're gonna be wrapping up for today. So I wanna give you one more opportunity. Is there any final thoughts that you would like to share with our audience here, with those watching around the world? I mean, we have people from so many different countries. So now's your last chance if you have any final thoughts for them. You know, I just wanna say thank you. I am so, I mean, I really, I lose the words for how excited and amazed I am at how far this story has traveled and how many people have embraced it as their own. And so wherever it is that you guys are watching, I just wanna say thank you, you know, from Hampton, Virginia, which is where I'm from, which is where the story takes place.  So I, you know, I really wanna say thanks and thanks to all of you for the great work that you're doing, moving forward and advancing the cause of equality for women and science. Yeah, great. Thank you again for being here with us today. It's been a real pleasure for me and I know for everybody who's been watching. Thanks, Mary, it's my pleasure to be here. And I'd also like to thank the viewing groups around the world who participated in today's chat. We had audiences in San Salvador, El Salvador, Santiago, Chile, Bogotá, Colombia, Medellín, Colombia, Caracas, Venezuela. I get to use my Spanish. I love it. Monterrey, Mexico, Mexico, in Managua, Nicaragua, in Ontario, Canada, in Kabul, Afghanistan, in Manila, in the Philippines, in Abidjan, Cote d'Ivoire, in Duboges, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Djibouti. And last but not least, the Greensboro Virtual Book Club in North Carolina. Oh, and Kosovo, apparently. Yeah, there you go. That's awesome. So I'm afraid that's all the time we have for today, but please keep the conversation going. You can like us on facebook.com slash international exchange alumni. You can visit us on our website, alumni.state.gov. And as always, you can follow us on Twitter. The handle is at exchange alumni. And please make sure when you're using any of these sites or social media to use the hashtag hidden no more. So thanks again for joining us today. We look forward to seeing you next time here at Washington Circle.


The seven star terror event for Blaziken is now live in Scarlet and Violet. We're going to go over all the details as well as the best Pokemon to solo within your game. So running for two weekends, consecutively, we're going to see the Blaziken raid go live this weekend as of recording this video from the 12th of December. They'll be running over this weekend until the 14th. And you can see all the standard details, level 100. It will have the hidden ability speed boost. So we'll be getting a speed increase every turn it goes. And it will have the moves blaze kick, brave bird, earthquake, low kick. Additional moves that we'll have are overheat, rock slide, sword stance and bulk up. So it's going to have a very good coverage compared to other seven star terror raids that we've seen in the past. It will have the mightiest mark and it will be a flying terror type Pokemon with the nature adamant, no held item and only catchable once per save file. You will get the good item drops as well as usual per the seven star raids. So the first time around, you're going to be guaranteed ability patch, TMS, flying terror shots and lots of large and XL candies. And then on the repeat raids, when you do form this, you're going to have a good chances of getting the ability patch, ability capsule and then again, high cost items as well as those level up candies as well. So a pretty good one for running through and soloing over. We'll be returning next weekend as a recording this video on the 19th of the running through till the 21st of January. So you've got two chances to take part in this raid event while it is running for this seven star Blaziken and the Pokemon that we're going to recommend in today's video to consistently beat this Blaziken is going to be belly bolt for a few reasons. It is accessible to anyone with Scarlet or Violet. It's not a version exclusive and it is going to be the most consistent Pokemon to take into this raid, regardless of the NPC partners that you do have to solo this in your game, belly ball going to be level 100, going to be hyper trained. It will have the electric terror typing with the held item of metronome. It's going to have the move set of reflect acid spray, chilling water and parabolic charge will have the ability, electromorphosis, and it will have an EV spread of two, five, two HP, two, five, two in special attack and the remaining six EVs put into that defense stat as well. So that is basically the belly bolt build that we're recommending to solo this with in your games. It will be down in the description below if you want to take a closer look at it after the video. So when you first come into the raid, you're going to have a turn zero. You're not going to see the Blaziken go for any attacks off the bat like we would do with other seven star terror raids. If you've got an intimidate user as one of the NPC partners, it's going to help you out a bunch. But turn one, we're always going to go for the chilling water. Is it really important move to just lower that attack stat on the Blaziken further than what it is already? So we're getting it down to minus one, actually minus two because we've got that intimidating Taurus next to us. So like I say, it does help out a lot. Turn two, we're always going to go for the reflect and we're going to be able to take the earthquake pretty comfortably here. It's always going to be earthquake and low kick, what you would normally see from the Blaziken at these early stages of the game. And turn three, what we're going to do is go for the acid spray. So we're going to go for another acid spray. We'll see the Blaziken go for a sword stance here is going to boost this attack by two stages. So it is going to negate the initial chilling water and the intimidate. So we'll go for another chilling water here, lock that in rather than the acid spray, just to make sure that we are keeping Blaziken's attack in check, because that's a big important thing for us in this raid. We want to make sure that we're negating the sword stances and those bulkups going forward in this battle. Then we can go for the acid spray after this. If you're in that position to will be able to see the earthquake come out again. Not really going to be doing too much damage, but we are expecting to probably get knocked out with the belly ball in this raid. But don't worry about that too much. We're going to see nullified stats and abilities on our side of the field on turn four, which is fine. And then we'll be able to fire off an acid spray, which remember we are taking a tick off our thrastalization counter as well when we're using the chilling water and the acid spray. So we're getting closer to thrastalizing, but you want to thrastalize when you're in a comfortable spot with your HP. We'll see another earthquake come out. We do survive that. So like I say, this is all down to having that intimidate user next to us. If you haven't got the intimidate user next to you, it's going to take a little bit longer. We would have been knocked out by now. So just keep that in mind. We're prepared to be knocked out this next turn. And the big thing as well with the belly ball is keeping an eye on the reflect. How many turns of reflect you have left or when it runs out, because you're going to want to set that up as soon as possible. And we do not have a reflect set up at this point in time. So we'll go for that reflect before we do anything else. We're going to take an earthquake for our trouble while we do this minus one. Take it pretty comfortably. We're going to be in a good position this next turn to get either another acid spray off and all we can trust lies and go for the parabolic charge. I think at this stage, we'll go for another acid spray. We're going to see another earthquake fired out from the Blaziken, but we're still in a good comfortable position here. Get this acid spray off and it really sets us up nicely for this next turn where we can trust lies and start doing some big damage to this Blaziken and start really chipping away at it from this point forward. So lock in with your trustalization and then start firing off those parabolic charges. We've got the metronome. I am attached and it might look like we're in a bit of a dire situation because of the rate timer, but don't worry about this. Once we start the kind of ticking away with the parabolic charge because of those acid sprays, we're going to be able to start doing some good damage and kind of clawing back all of that HP as well as chipping away Blaziken because the shields up so early on in this raid once it's broke, you can kind of cut through it pretty quickly from that point on. And you can see the damage that we're doing there with that parabolic charge with the stack of the acid spray there. So really catching up doesn't negate negative effects from itself. So essentially removing those acid spray drops that it has taken already and any attack drops that it's had as well. So need to bear that in mind, but we do still have the reflect in place. So we can go for a rough an acid spray here. Just a lot of that special defense. One more stage will take a low kick as it comes out. That's fine and will break the shield in the process here and set ourselves up to start doing some more better damages next thing with the parabolic charge to kind of remove it from the field a little bit quicker. So rather than go for the parabolic charge again, we'll go for another acid spray while we've got the opportunity to. You can see we're getting real benefit from that tourist being knocked out as well because it is coming in with that intimidate. Cycling that makes it a lot easier to take the attacks. Like I say, it is a lot slower if you don't have an intimidate user next to you. We've got those two acid sprays off. I'm going to be in a position now where we can just go for that parabolic charge again. Use a big damage and the next turn we're going to be able to pick up the Blaziken pretty, pretty consistently, pretty easily. Like I say, it's going to be the most consistent build. You're not going to have to rely on having specific NPC partners next to you. Like you would do if you're using Maraidon, you're going to need our Bolivia. You're going to need to intimidate us to really get through the raid quickly because once the Blaziken does get set up, it is going to be in a position where it is going to be able to knock you out with things like low kick if you don't have that intimidate support, things like earthquake if you don't have the oblivious support, whereas the belly bolt consistently with the chilling water, the reflect and then the parabolic charge and that combination with the acid spray is going to be able to do the Blaziken regardless of who your partnering NPC characters are going to be when you come into this raid. So belly ball really fast way to run through and just a consistent one. And I think because it is available to everyone in the game. And again, as always, if you want to farm through the raid for the higher cost items and things like that, you want to reset the dens. You're only going to get one seven star raid on your map at a time. Come to your home menu and down into system settings down into system. Then into date and time and then just toggle through here. Don't change anything. Click OK. Make sure you synchronize clock where the internet is off and then come back into the game and your dens will respawn and you'll be able to locate the seven star raid once again and then fly over to it and just farm through the Blaziken pretty quickly with the belly bolt over this weekend. So that is everything for today's video. I hope you have a lot of fun with the Blaziken seven star terror event while it's running. Of course, remember it is running from this weekend on the 12th until the 14th and then returning next weekend from the 19th until the 21st. So you're going to have two opportunities to grab it while it is in game. And next weekend when it does return, it will be returning with the blissies. Have a lot of fun. If you've got a potential build that you've used to a lot of success with the Blaziken, let me know down in the comments section below what you've had success with. I would love to hear what builds you've used. But I think overall the belly bolt is going to be the best most consistent one to take in this weekend. And I hope you have a lot of success with it if you do try it for yourself in games. Thank you so much for tuning in, friends. If you've enjoyed today's video, do drop a like. Do subscribe to the channel as well to stay up to date with all of our Pokemon, Skull and Violet content. I'll see you all in another video very soon. So until then, take care of yourselves and bye bye.


Hello everyone, I'm Broogly, and today I'm going to be going over Backroom's level 588, which is a newly discovered level that seems to be possibly the safest place I've ever seen in the backrooms. We'll see how long that lasts. Thank you for watching, let's get into it, shall we? Also, if you want to see a more personal side of me, go check out my vlog channel, it'll be the top link in the description below. Thank you. So Backroom's level 588 is, of course, classified as a Class Zero difficulty, and is safe and secure with no entities. The level itself manifests as a massive pink sprawl of land and structures and light. The sky is always a pinkish violet color, and the sun is always at a sunset positioning, which kind of gives the entire level a relaxing kind of vibe. The land is flat and smooth, and it seems to almost be digitally created because it's so perfect. Like, there's no scratches or holes or anything on the walls or floors that seems to be damaged. It almost seems like it was just computer generated. And this kind of gives it an uncanny valley kind of feeling to wanderers who find themselves here. This level does actually have some plants that grow on it. There's ankle-length grass and some other kinds of tree plants that look like palm trees. All of these things look slightly fake as well. They're also indestructible and can't be ripped up or torn out of the ground or anything like that, which is pretty strange if you think about it. All of the plants and structures here are violet and pink, just like the sky, and the entire level has that pinkish aura around it. The level is also kind of like an isolation chamber because you really can't encounter any other people or entities or anything else alive except you here. And on top of that, the entire place is extremely quiet. And the only sounds that happen are the sounds that you make. So like your footsteps and your breathing and whatever other things. Nothing else moves or makes noise except you. The buildings inside of this level are known as structs, which is short for structures, and there are several instances of these structs that you could run into while exploring around. Some of them look like houses, and others have no clear design and just seem to be random walls and roofs. They're made out of that same material that the ground is made out of too, and they all seem to have like these holes inside of them that look like windows, and sometimes they have porches and bedrooms and that sort of thing. Again like the rest of the level, all of these structures seem computer generated or just fake in a way, and it feels weird that you can touch them. And even when you're inside of these houses, you can see that peaceful sunset lighting that's outside, but inside. There's also scattered furniture inside of the houses, like chairs and desks and that sort of thing, but it's not like regular stuff from real life because it all seems to have different density, meaning that there could be big pieces of furniture that you could pick up easily and they don't weigh anything, even though they're massive. But even though they're easy to pick up and they're light, they're all invincible and cannot be broken, just like the plants and everything else on the level. So there are structures that look similar to houses, and then there are also some that have pools in them, and there are also some that have curtains and other rooms inside of them as well. The pool ones have tiled walls and floors with water in it, and it kind of gives like a pool rooms vibe, except they're mainly outdoors, but they give you that same liminal feeling as the pool rooms. The water has no impurities at all, but it's not actually almond water. The temperature is perfect for the human body, so you could probably just take a swim around it and relax at any time, but it has been noted that drinking the water might make you feel lightheaded and weak, and even give you feelings of loneliness. So you might not want to try that. There's been some other weird structures found too, like this huge pyramid with a bed on top of it, which like most of the level makes absolutely no sense, because why would someone put a bed at the top of the pyramid unless you want to just roll off the pyramid in your sleep or something? But this type of thing just adds to that uncanniness of the entire level. Speaking of beds, they're actually a pretty common anomaly on the level because you might just run into a random one on the shore or inside of the building or on top of a pyramid. They seem safe enough, but like I said, it's also random for them to be in the places they are. Who knows? So the main land of the level, which is the areas I just talked about, is actually surrounded by some sort of ocean or sea. And the further you go out into the sea, the darker everything gets and the more glitchy and volatile and corrupted it becomes. So because of this, it is recommended to stay in the main land part. Now, even though this level seems peaceful and relaxing, you do end up getting strong feelings of loneliness the longer you're here. And this is because you can't see any other wanderers or literally any other life at all. And it sort of becomes like this isolation chamber effect, which would be perfect for introverts, but for people who actually want to hang out and see other real things, it would be pretty scary to get stuck here. And because of all this isolation and lack of natural resources, there are no bases or outposts here and you probably couldn't set one up. This level can be best described as a sort of dreamscape place where you're the only thing that can be existing here at this exact time. It seems like a paradise until you realize how isolating and lonely it becomes. Let me know in the comments if you could stay here forever or if you would get bored. To enter the level, you can be on a desert level like level 46 or 169 and find a mirror out in the middle of it. And the mirror will actually be pink because of the pink sunset on this one. No clip through that mirror and you'll be sent here. Or you might be able to be on a watery level and then swim towards a pink sunset to be sent here as well. To exit, you can no clip into a structure to be sent to level 48 or you can swim out into that ocean that surrounds the mainland for an unknown amount of time to be sent to an unknown level. I really like this level.  That's because of how isolating it is. And I feel like most people would not want to stay here for long, even though it seems like paradise, the loneliness probably isn't worth it unless you just hate everyone, I guess. Anyways, that's it for the video. I hope you enjoyed it. Check out the vlog channel in the description below. If you want any more personal view of my life and if you want to get to know me better and if you want to just see what I get up to, that kind of thing, that's a place to do it. We're pushing for 50 K over there and I'm pretty close. So if you want to sub, that would be a great help. Let me know in the comments what levels that you want me to go over on the channel, what entities, what creatures, what objects, anything like that. Let me know. So if you've been watching to the end of the videos for the past couple of ones, you'll already know what I'm planning to do for a million subscribers. And if this is your first time listening, I'm going to tell it again. So when I hit a million subscribers, I'm going to book a plane ticket to England to go to the picture location of the original backroom's level one hundred and eighty eight. You know what it is? It's the hotel looking complex with the windows in it. I'm going to go stay there and vlog there and just be there for a couple of days. And that's the million subscriber special. So if you want to help me get there, if you want to, you know, see me do that. The video will be on this channel. It'll be a whole thing. And we'll just enjoy it. And we're really close. We're going to hit a million sub sometime this year. Thank you so much for that. I cannot fathom that, but I appreciate you all. Thank you so much. And I will see you in the next video.


The first primary thing we're trying to accomplish is how can we protect digital currencies in a way that's perhaps a little better than the way we're protecting other systems today. You hear in the news all the time that we're being compromised. Even the most perceived secure organizations are falling to the attack. So for digital currencies, the money of the world, it needs to be protected in a way where we can have confidence that our money is safe. Today's security is very complex, it's very costly, it's very manual, and it's in its process, it's very decentralized, fragmented, all kinds of security standards, all over the place. Therefore, for small fintech companies, it's almost impossible for them to deal with the burden of security. So the task of the security and assurance working group is can we reduce that complexity while increasing the assurance level and decreasing the cost level? How can we expect this highly innovative industry to survive the burden of security, but it must, it must find a way. So collectively, we've adopted a new model that has been published in ITU, and we have a security validation platform that we're demonstrating as a method, a systematic formal based method to apply security to a digital currency. But it takes one fundamental approach that is different. It starts with the target itself. It starts with defining to a sufficient level of detail. What is it that we're protecting? And that tends to be one of the least things that organizations define for a number of reasons. Here, we're starting with what is it that we're trying to protect? And we're trying to find a common approach to protecting digital currencies. Are they truly all that different? Are we going to do what we've done in the past and treat them as if they're all different and not do the hard work to really identify what is common and where does something become different so that we can treat common areas with a prescribed set of security controls and give that to everyone as knowledge and look at the differences between a cryptocurrency and a central bank issue currency and where unique security measures have to be perhaps designed and applied because cryptocurrency or digital currencies in general, although they do rely on traditional infrastructure, have developed innovative consensus mechanisms on the side of cryptocurrency that we have to yet determine how best to protect. So there's a lot of new security that needs to be developed and there's a lot of old traditional infrastructure security that still needs to be there. How can all this massive collective knowledge be provided in a way that can be consumed by those companies developing these offerings? So for example, we have a work stream in the security and insurance working group on quantum safe cryptographic services. That is a common work stream that is looking at ensuring that these services that all digital currency types leverage are in fact safe but those cryptographic services are not different whether they're being provided to a cryptocurrency system or a CBDC system. We want to develop strong high assurance and confidence of protection knowledge for what is common, distribute that out and deal with the unique aspects of digital currencies. We are decomposing the target into its enabling value processes and value assets so that we can, so that everyone in security including the business people, the threat people, the protection people and the audit people can all look at the same thing and say oh that's what we're protecting. The target is everything and we're spending a lot of work in the security group defining the target. That seems a little odd but clearly if you don't understand the target how can you apply, well we're trying to call precision security. Today the security industry is based on notions where they apply a bit of confidentiality, integrity, availability but really the application of security is at a much detailed level and we want to know that effective controls are in fact in place. So we're trying to go and notional security is all you can sort of articulate if you don't understand the target but now since we are defining the target, creating a detailed understanding of it, we can now start thinking about precision security against specific threat vectors. Well the digital currency ontology matrix model is building on what I said earlier about the target. It's saying that all digital currency types must be described by a set of notions and distinctions. So we're trying to find and develop a matrix of notions and distinctions that describe all types from cryptocurrency to centrally issued digital currency and this matrix has a special property that when you specify the values of the distinctions in this matrix you define one unique digital currency type. So this ontology notion matrix defines all digital currency types in its notions and distinctions and when you give the values to those notions and distinctions it defines one unique digital currency type. So it's an again attempt to take a common approach to protecting digital currencies. This is the digital currency global initiative. It's not the cryptocurrency global initiative or the CBDC global initiative. We're all digital currencies and we're trying to quantify how architecture or technology change from policy decisions. So the ontology notion by design is trying to remove all that language like a wallet. How does a wallet that we know and familiar in the physical world hold digital currency? It's just old language being maintained in the new world. Well a wallet for me is just a digital currency store. Very boring but there's no debate about what that word means. So the ontology notion is to use that neutral language. What is it that describes all digital currency types? How can I specify one so that we can all talk to each other as an industry and look at cost and effect between various decisions around architecture and what that would imply in the actual deployment of the digital currency and of course the security and insurance working group leveraging that same ontology would know how to protect that component. Oh yes we know how to protect digital currency stores. We did that in the security and insurance working group. Here it is. So basically if you look at digital currencies you have the policy people. Who represent the issuers or the people that would run the currency. But you also have the architecture people, the technology people, the system design people, the system deployed operations. Before it becomes an actual currency that can be used there is a lot of decision making to the end product of what digital currency technologies and systems and even vendors will be used. So we want to be able to have a much easier conversation about cost and effect policy decisions and what that has as an effect on architecture and get that sort of language and relationship defined and accepted so that when the industry evolves at this incredible rate we're evolving in a lesser state of confusion. We have more understanding between each other of the fundamentals of things as opposed to dealing with that top layer of the language about people talking about everything. So we're trying to really bring that down to a set of finite components so that the problem so that we don't deal with the human induced complexity problem of everyone writing about it and really using different meanings in terms and we have this sort of body of knowledge which is very diverse is how can we normalize, render as common as possible the foundation of this work to allow really higher value analysis to occur with greater clarity.