you know, twinkling the eye kind of projects to be able to be hosted in Sandbox, but do, but, but yeah, I think well, and yes I believe they have all had it except this one, and this is another oversight, but I'm not aware of any others. Just wondering from old, they weren't since the first started like, much just like, uh, okay, and the one thing can we study now? Do we still need to wait some minute? I think we can start now. Yeah, I think you're hosting today, right? What? Sorry, I haven't used the message. Yeah, I think we can start now. Okay, I think I'm a moderator and, uh, Wenhao, Wenting, maybe you can share the screen or just I share the screen. Yeah, I think if you have that document open, you can share the screen. Okay, wait a minute. Okay, can you see my screen now? Yes. Okay, thank everyone during this meeting, and this is the second one for TaiQV, this section meeting for the TaiQV, and now today, today I'm the moderator for this meeting, and also Wenting is the local taker. And before the meeting, please be aware that the meeting is recorded, and will be uploaded to the YouTube soon after the meeting. Okay, let's begin. And as you can see, this is the agenda of this meeting. At first, I will do some introduction, and I see that now maybe there are, okay, just 10 people participated in the meeting, so we can introduce ourselves. So let's begin, and maybe, oh, I will introduce myself. At first, my name is Liu Tang, you can call me student. And also the maintainer of TaiQV, and now the next one, Kevin Wong, Wenhao. Hi everybody, I'm Kevin. I'm from Pincap, and I'm the community manager of the TaiQV project. Okay, next, thank you, Chen Fu. Hello, Chen Fu. Can you introduce yourself? Hello, Chen Fu. Okay, so what a pity. The next one, Luo Di'an. Luo Di'an, can you introduce yourself? Hello. Yes, we can hear you. Is that this? Di'an? I'm going to introduce Kevin Wong in this meeting. Okay, next, Tai Lin, Shen. Hello everyone, I'm from Pincap. Yeah, you can come in there, and yeah, that's all. Okay, and Liq. Hi, I'm Nick, also from Pincap. I work on TaiQV, and I will be introducing the transactions sake of it later. Okay, thank you, Liu Wei. Oh, hello, I'm Liu Wei. I'm focused on the performance of TaiQV. Okay, and the legal performance as such. Yes, that's all. Okay, Liu Wei. Okay, I'm Xiarui from Pincap, and I'm interested in transaction and co-processor, and also I work for the developer group as well. Qipong. I'm Qipong from Pincap. I'm going to introduce the RAFTA SIG later. Okay, Yan Qing. Can you hear me, and that guy, Wen Ting. Hello, my name is Wen Ting. I'm from Pincap, and I'm mainly responsible for assisting Kelvin with TaiQV community operations. It's very nice to have a meeting with all of you. Thank you. Okay, same in the early world, our world attendants introduced themselves, and someone are missing, so maybe we can go on. And the second is you can see a judge's announcement, and you can see that TaiQV-Webilla are in presentation, and they will be coming soon, and any suggestions are welcome. You can tell, maybe you can ask Kelvin or ask Wen Ting to give any suggestion. Okay, that's all for the introduction. And now the second part is we're going to talk about something about SIG update, and I will give this to the XueLian. And maybe XueLian, can you hold it now and introduce something about SIG? Okay, can you stop sharing a screen and let me share a screen? Oh, okay. Thank you. Maybe you can share a screen. Okay, okay. So please, okay, let me introduce you about the TaiQV-Community SIG updates this month. And does anyone know about the meaning of SIG? Okay, SIG means Special Interest Group. Which means if you have any interest in any part of TaiQV, you can join the related SIG and discuss with the engineers, work for this model. And now we have already six SIGs in TaiQV, and the first two co-process SIG and engine SIG is very popular now. And the left of these SIGs are still working hard to make themselves popular. So if you have any interest about any part of these, welcome to join them. And now we have invited the leader of these SIGs here and let them introduce the details to you. Okay, so maybe we can start to introduce, start from the co-process SIG. So wish, wish, are you there? Oh, since he's not here, maybe we can just skip to the next one and I'd like to ask him to come on later. So about the engine SIG, is the leader here? Could you hear me? Jingpeng, oh, Wu Yi, are you here? Oh, Xiao Guang, sorry. Oh, since Xiao Guang, some of them are not here, so let's skip and continue. About the ecosystem, I think Neo is here. So Neo, is your time? Yeah, the ecosystem SIG covers everything about surrounding projects about tech EV. For example, client Go, client Java and client C. Yeah, and of course the client Rust. Also, it covers the Rust primitives, the client library for the primitives. Yeah, yeah, we have a select channel called Ecosystem SIG at Tech EV WD. Yeah, welcome to join us. And this SIG is still in early days, so not all going works, but we'll have soon. Yeah, thank you. So let's continue. And about the performance SIG, I think the leader Neo is here. So it's your time, Neo Wei? Oh, here. Oh, the performance SIG is focused on the improve the performance of Tech EV. And these days, we are focused on improve the TPCC of Tech EV. We have made a plan with some features we may try, but we have not put it on the project. Yes, I will add it to the project next days. Okay, you can see the details about the progress of this SIG in this project, I think. Yes? Since the projects are almost down. Yes, we will add some new planning to the project. Okay, so how can we join your SIG? Oh, the charge in performance SIG, yeah? Yes, yes. So let's continue. Neo, the next SIG is Raft, SIG, and Jen? Jason Simpson is not here, and I will give the introduction. I'm Chih-Pang, hello. Raft SIG is a special integration group for ending related to Raft, IS, and component Raft store in Tech EV. We have a common chart slack in Tech EV work group. And Tech Leader, Jianjun Li and Peng Qu, you can call Jianjun J. And ours ongoing works, we have many three ongoing works. The first is pick upstream or back fixes from each CD Raft. And the second is the implement joint consensus to introduce a small available window when doing configuration change. And the last is the implement a follow-up application. That's all. Okay, thank you. And let's go to the next. And the next is the transaction SIG, and I think Nick can talk about it. Hello. Yes, I will talk about the transaction SIG. So it's very early days for us. We've not really started very much. But I'll talk a little bit about what we want to do and what we're doing at the moment. We do have a channel in Slack and our group on WeChat. So if anyone's interested in transactions, come and chat to us there. My personal ideas, what to do with the group, which I haven't yet discussed with the other leaders, so these may well not happen, is to focus on the special interest part of the special interest group. And so rather than start out trying to get people involved with the transaction code in Thai KV, start by just having a group of people interested in transactions and try and build a community there. So some ideas for that have a reading group where we can like read and discuss academic papers, do some testing and benchmarking and trying to find bugs, experimenting with software models and formal models using TLA Plus or stuff like that, and maybe working on the Thai KV clients because our transaction protocols are collaborative protocols, it means that there's a lot of work in the client as well as in the Thai KV server and so having decent clients is going to be important for building a community around Thai KV itself. And then other stuff like working on documentation and just general discussion about transactions really. So if any of that sounds interesting, come to Slack or WeChat and talk to us. Thanks. Yeah, thank you, Nick. He gives us a lot of information about the transaction SIG. And I think I'd like to introduce one more thing about transaction SIG for it. Okay, we can see the projects in the Thai KV report and for the transaction SIG, there is a lot of information in this project. You can see the first column that how to join us and the second column is the to-do list that needs to be chugged. So if you have any interest of these issues, you can pick one and assign to yourself. And the third column about in-progress, these are the things or major project we are doing now. And if you are interested in any project of them, you can go to see the details in this project. And I think this will be helpful. Okay, so let's do it. Okay, seems you all have questions. No, I found that Xiao Guang is here now. Maybe he can introduce the engine SIG. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And let's go back to the engine SIG. Welcome, Xiao Guang. So what is he up to? Sorry, I'm a little bit late. I'm Xiao Guang. I'm going to introduce our engine SIG today. Engine SIG focuses on basically anything related to storage engines in Thai KV. And we do have a Slack channel. So people can come to Thai KV workgroup Slack and join us and talk about engines in Thai KV. Okay, can you come back to the slides? I'm sorry. Okay. And we have a bi-weekly meeting as well. And we have online meeting Zoom link here. So everybody is welcome to join our meeting. We do have the meeting notes for the past meetings. So if you have missed, you can check out our meeting notes. Right. It's here. We just had a meeting yesterday. That's great. Okay. And our tech leaders, we have three tech leaders. We are Jin Peng Zhang and Yi Wu and me, Xiao Guangsun. So we have something going on right now. There are two major things listed here. One is improved prioritized block catch for Titan. The other one is a brand new KV interface to Thai KV, which introduced multiple version K-value in addition to a raw KV. So that's pretty much all we are doing right now. And we are going to work on more stuff later on. Yeah, that's a lot of information. And I think it is the best SIG which is the most convenient way to enjoy it. Okay. Xiao Guangsun, since you joined this meeting later, so could you tell something about yourself? Introduce yourself. Yes. Okay. Let me think what to start. I worked for Zhi Hu, a question and answering website, knowledge of sharing basically, website in China. I used to work in search engine part last year. And later on, I switched to infra team. So now I'm managing basically Zhi Hu's platform and infrastructure. Okay. Yes, that's pretty much all about myself. Xue Lian, I also noted that Tian Yi is here. Maybe he can help Wen Xuan to introduce the Copset SIG. So Tian Yi, you can see, you can talk about Copset SIG as such across this page. Or you can just tell something about yourself. Tian Yi. Okay. I'm Tian Yi Zhuang and I'm Copset SIG. I'm a KV cometer of Copset SIG. And where is Wen Xuan? I think he's offline. Okay. I can try to introduce the Copset SIG. First, the first page is the Copset SIG community page. And here are three cometers in Copset SIG. They are Wen Xuan, not. They are Nie Dian Hui and me. And we use both Slack and WeChat to communicate about the Thai KV Copset SIG. And now we are doing the two active projects. The first is timeline tracing. It's due by our active contributor Ren Kai. And another is just an RFC. And I'm trying to, it's about use the trunk execution in the Copset SIG framework. And I will finish the RFC in one week. Okay. And we will try to migrate some more new building functions from Thai TV. It's very easy for new contributor to participate in. So this is all. Thank you. Okay. I have seen the most active, most most topic-specific contact with leader to join. Oh, this is amazing, I think. So anyone have questions about these SIGs since all of the leaders are here? No, if no, I think that's all for the Thai KV SIGs. Okay, Xuelian, you can maybe stop the sharing and now I will share. Okay. Thank you, Xuelian. And the next session is community sharing. And Luo Dian will give us maybe a demo of our QV analyzer. Dian, maybe it's your turn now. It's your turn now. And maybe you can, I will stop the share. And then you can go on. It's okay, Dian. All right. You can share your screen and show the QV analyzer. Can you see my screen now? Yes. All right. Wait a second. Okay. Thanks all for coming. I'm going to use this as an opportunity to tell Thai community about something really cool that we've been tingling for a while. Hopefully it will be production ready and coming with Thai KV 4.0. So I'm going to introduce, the thing I'm going to introduce is the visualization tool for Thai KV cluster, NAMM key visualizer. Also known as QVs. Some of you, some of you might be familiar with Thai KV. It's good at scanning up and see me this way. But in some cases, you will find it hard to work with, especially when performance dropping for no reason. Well, there must be some reason, but it's much harder to find it than we expected. Maybe you know distributed system enough and also no Thai KV enough. So you are coming with, there must be some hotspot in the cluster. Yes, most of the time, hotspot is the reason of the performance issue. But the problem is we are still hard to tell where the hotspot is in this case and hard to tell where the hotspot is. But now with QVs, they can be found out in real time and in easy and intuitive way. This is what QV visualizer looks like. It's a simple tool, working browser. So I'm just going to move on to the demo part of the talk and I'll show you what QV visualizer can do and how it helps to find the hotspot in Thai KV cluster. This is the workload of TPCH that I ran for about 12 hours. We can zoom out to see here. Let me introduce the details of these components. On the left-hand side, we can see three axes with some labels. They are actually the database name, some table name and key ranges. For example, some rows or primary or some indexes. We can find out later. This is a hit map showing how the workload distributed in the cluster. From the bottom to the top in the vertical axis is the key ranges. When a pixels goes from the bottom to the top, the key ranges goes up. From the left-hand side to the right-hand side, it's a time axis. It shows how data are changing, not data, the workload changing in time. The color represents the workload or the traffic in this key range and in this time. For example, we can see this is a bright line in this range, and it goes from this point to this point. What it means is there may be some incremental writes or incremental reads, or it's a write, happens in this time. At some point, we can click and zoom in to see, oh, there is 12 bytes are written, 12 million bytes per minute are written at this point, at this time, into test DB, the order line table, the order line, and these real ranges. If we want to copy the TID, we can click on it and it's easily pasted. Well, it's some kind of compass, but we will go through some important patterns later. At this corner, I have used this bench workload, especially OLTP inserts. It stopped very early about, I ran it yesterday, but we want to see it in detail. So we can zoom in, just select and zoom, then click, release. Okay, all right, we're here, quite easy. We can also adjust the brightness in case of some points are too bright or too dark to see. Okay, I will go through some patterns. This is well distributed. From this image, we can tell that the color is mostly the same over the heat map. So that means the workload is distributed even into every key ranges as known, also known as regions. This is a good pattern where the distributed workload allows us to extract the maximum power from every type of nodes. This pattern is what we expected. This is sequential. It can be sequential read or sequential write. This often showed up when we import data into TechEV or incremental ID column is used. This is a signal of potential hotspot because the operation, because TechEV cluster is hard to split the operations into multiple regions. So take care of it, especially when performance drops and this pattern happens to show up. Continuous. This pattern is similar to the sequential. Compared to sequential, it means that some keys of a small range is being updated repeatedly. This is also a signal of hotspot. Distributed continuous. Well, it means some keys are being updated repeatedly, but in larger ranges. In this pattern, this pattern is better than the former because in this case, TechEV is smart enough to distribute the workload to all nodes of the cluster. I may say this is also a good pattern in most cases. And there can be more patterns to be discovered in real production by you. Key visualizer provides a better insight into TechEV and then it's your turn to figure out the funny thing under the hood. So now I'll skim through a little bit of the thing inside of Key Visualizer about how it's structured and how it works. First, Key Visualizer basically involved from the old PD statistics, which has been in production long before. But before Key Visualizer, PD collects the workload data in the time when statistic is requested, while Key Visualizer collects the workload data all the time since startup. So we can see how the workload is changing and see the pattern in time. Statistic data are firstly generated by TechEV. On TechEV nodes send the node status to PD by interval. Then PD collects the statistics report and then the data is used by Key Visualizer. One thing important to know is Key Visualizer is centralized, which means in one cluster there must be one, closely one Key Visualizer in instant in the cluster. And it's not failure protection on it. Okay. And this is how Key Visualizer is structured. First, Key Visualizer is embedded in the PD binary. PD is also the server of the dashboard, which is basically the container of some new grade 2s, for example, Key Visualizer and statements. Key Visualizer has two components, backhand return in Golang and the front-end in browser. The backhand is the statistic data from PD that generates the feedback we've seen. It also does some sort of compressing stuff and does optimization on the cone cases that come up when region speeds or merges. The data are then sent to the front-end in the browser and read as it is. Okay. Conclusion. So I introduce the keys and explain how we can use it to empower our developer workflow by pointing out the hotspot in the most obvious way. Which we hope will bring new experience to the user. We are still working heavily on Kiwis, so it may seem to be slightly different to the final version and some more features may be added in the future. For example, Kiwis could show how CPU and memory usage changes in time. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed. Thanks for watching. Okay. Thanks, Dian. After this presentation, and this is all for today's meeting, and maybe the next is a good question. Any question about this? Do you have any question? Okay. Oh, I also found some new guy joined this meeting. Maybe we can let him to introduce himself. And the first door, 0, 0, 0. Can you introduce yourself? He Tian. Zhu He Tian. Okay. Other is Ratschopi Gaming. Maybe I have pronounced it yet. Oh, sorry. Subway. Okay. Dao Bin. Maybe. Bi Dao Bin. Hello, everyone, and I'm not the new one, but I'm the technical manager, and I'm working for the GT Cloud. And do you have any other information? Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Dao Bin. And maybe, okay. Does anyone have any question? If not, maybe this is all for our today's meeting. Thank you very much. And see you next month. Wen Hao. Maybe we can end this meeting now. Yeah, sure. Okay. Sure. Thank you very much. See you next month. See you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye-bye. Bye.


American issues take two. Violence is on the rise in America. That's not a question, you know, in another context, they might frame that as a question. That's a fact. That's what's going on. We're going to talk about violence and the rise of violence in America. What is the connection between, you know, the dog whistles and all the claims made by extremists that we are in a civil war. What the civil war looks like is a combination of lone wolf attacks. It's not in this. It's, you know, in the supermarket send synagogues and elementary schools. Is that the civil war. Tim Epichel is going to help us with that. And so is Manfred Henningston, and our dear friend Vicki Kaitano, and our, one of the say our regular contributor, as Stephanie stole Dalton. And thank you for coming all you guys welcome to the show. Tim, let's begin with you. We stumbled into an article about stochasticism, and stochasticism refers to the dog whistle process. We've got an article to look at one of your thoughts about what it means and where it fits in this discussion. Oh, good morning, Jay. Yeah, this article from Kurt Braddock, who is a professor in speech communication. So what are the terms stochastic terror or stochastic violence. So that's a new term to me and, you know, in the article that he put out was, it's not a direct call to violence, but it's an applied demonization of perhaps a political enemy or an individual. I'll give you an example when Donald Trump said that all people in the media were enemies of the people or enemies of the state. It's not a direct pointing the finger at any one individual, but it's implied kind of dangling threats and demonization, which, you know, when you have a population of 330 million, you may have one or two people of that population to actually act upon it, and and act upon someone's words of demonization. So that's the best way I could try to describe us so stochastic terror. Well, you know, I think that the definition of it. Actually, it's it's imprecise in the sense that you don't know who you're going to reach.  Well, though that is not an American jurisprudence right now. I don't think there's been a lot of cases, you know, finding that connection. I think if we keep on having this experience, we're going to have to think about changing American jurisprudence. Jay, let me just jump in because, you know, the Supreme Court case of 1968 Brandenburg versus Ohio, they basically overturned a conviction of a Klu Klux Klang guy, because the the incitement wasn't imminent. And it wasn't directional. It didn't have an action that followed up on it. And so that that Supreme Court case kind of, as you adequately said before the show is that the dog whistle was not tied to the dog. Yeah. Manfred, what about the First Amendment? Doesn't that protect anybody who does a dog whistle? You know, when Donald Trump said we have to go in there, we have to, you know, we have to we have to go into the Capitol building.   Was he sending a dog whistle? And was that dog whistle protected by the First Amendment? So I think the First Amendment doesn't mean that democracy is a suicide contract. So for that reason, I think we should focus on the fact that this kind of rhetorical violence you have not only in the US, you have another Western societies, what makes the US different is the Second Amendment. The madness of the Second Amendment, together with, you know, the freedom of speech and the First Amendment makes all the difference. I find it, I mean, the longer I watch, you know, American news about these violent explosions, I am really surprised about the madness of people not reacting politically to it.   The Electoral College is the second dumb institution in the Constitution. But I do look, I feel a little bit more optimistic about this country since the midterms. We talked about it the last time. We had a number of attacks since the midterm. I know, but look, the difference is that you have the Second Amendment. People can get guns. You have a lot of violent rhetoric in Britain, in Germany, in France, in Scandinavia, especially in Scandinavia. You have now a neo-fascist prime minister.  If you remember the early days of Trump. Yeah, but it goes somewhere because you have the Second Amendment. It goes somewhere because you have Second Amendment. You can get guns. You don't get to other countries. Thank you. You feeling safer these days? Do you think we should feel safe even here in Hawaii? It seems to me that, you know, our lives are at the margins. They are, they're festooned with violent possibility. Absolutely. And if you look at how many people have died the number of deaths between 2014 that you sent me that information until 2020, it's just appalling. And while these do make the headlines, I don't think it's all attributed just to this. There's no question that having Donald Trump as president, in sense, so many people created such an atmosphere of, to me, the ability, the liberty to go out and do what happened on January 6, trying to justify it. You know, everybody points to the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, but we have to remember that when our founding fathers wrote those words, I don't think they could have envisioned the country as it is today. And I think people need to translate and interpret things carefully given the situation that we are in now. So no question about that. But I think you also have to look at, you know, other issues such as, you know, domestic violence, crime. Oh my gosh. I mean, look at how we treat crime today, right? How many repeat offenders before they're actually locked up for good. So there are multiple reasons creating a very violent society that we're in. But gun control or lack of in the United States of America is front and center to me of the number of casualties that we're seeing. No other country sees this. And we need to address gun control. Manifrants point two. So, Stephanie, you know, it seems to me that we're in a place where you may want to consider getting a gun to protect yourself.  So now you have a spiral up. Instead of having fewer guns. Hey, you got more guns. Oh my God. Does that make it better? Would you do that? You want to get one? I mentioned once before that what I'm interested in is some kind of like Range Rover tank concoction vehicle. So that would be my investment in a gun. Okay, so but I think one thing we need to keep in mind is our heritage. In addition to the tremendous great miraculous one we have from the founding fathers, but we also have the opening of the country and the development of the West. I'm looking at wagon train. How about all the western movies? We have been exposed to movies and entertainment and art where guns are ubiquitous. Every moment, the number of people being shot and killed in our entertainment is extraordinary.  But Jay, you and I, I mean, all of these people in the current base, you know, are brought up on this cowboy legend. And if you look at gun smoke, Marshall Dillon has no problem pulling that gun out. There's no constraint. I mean, but they did have norms and they do have, they did have respect.   Okay, well, let me just, so anyway, I've just been looking at that and realizing either whole bunch of other issues that come right back up again. And this is my childhood feed from TV. All of us have grown up in this environment, you're right. And there are some people that can handle it, you know, we're not going to go out in the street with guns and shoot people, but there are other people that can't control themselves. And for whatever psychological reason, there's no God rails for them. So they, they do these violent and lethal episodes. Tim, you wanted to add to that on the second amendment. Well, I've just hearing a lot of bashing of the second amendment that's okay because I understand where that's coming from, because we're out of control. The United States is a violent society that is carried out with weaponry that is far above any other place in the world. I understand the criticism of the second amendment. Very quickly though, we have something in Hawaii and I think most states, or a lot of states, it's called the castle doctrine, which is to say your castle is your personal, your personal haven. And you have the right to protect your family and anyone in that household. And I think that's the reason why a lot of people do own guns is to preserve their, their castle doctrine. When there's a crime in the household, the police don't respond after the crime. They're not there in time to prevent it. And I think that's the primary reason why a lot of people do own guns is to provide at home protection. And I'll leave it at that to kill their relatives, because well, okay, Thanksgiving doesn't always go well for people. I agree.  That's been eroded in this country.  You have to be under personal threat. You have to be under, you have to be threatened. And you might wind up going to jail for it. Yeah, you have to be in fear for your life. That is, that's the dividing, the dividing line on that. And I wanted to come to you about this. So we have, we're declining in terms of our control of the violence, clearly, those stats I set around, you know, demonstrate something. But you know, what is what is problematic is that if there were a president like Trump, he would say, oh, this crime is violence in the street. I have to meet that violence politically. I have to, you know, satisfy my base. So I'm going to send these guys out in unmarked uniforms with guns. I'm going to do the fascist thing. I'm going to shoot them down cold in the street. I'm going to take control. I'm going to use it as an excuse. And our friend Vladimir does the same thing. This is an autocratic mechanism. Is it not. Well, remember, Trump said he could do anything. He could shoot someone in Manhattan and nobody would be upset about it. So you have, I mean, that's the answer to your proposal. He, in a way, suggested that. I'm talking about, I'm talking about the larger 20th century. I'm talking about autocrats who use even minor amounts of violence, justify bringing in government violence and squashing, you know, like, for example, protests in Shanghai that have been going on. Those guys are holding up empty sheets of paper. That's not violent. But Xi Jinping is sending in troops now and they will be violent. Yeah, but what's happening is you get a cycle. Yeah, but we are distinguishing here between autocratic regimes like the PRC and Russia and others and democratic societies like the US and I think what is structurally so sickening about the US is that they have, you know, 400, more than 400 million guns in private because of the Second Amendment and whatever, you know, Tim said about the castle, the castle contributes to the death toll as well. So as long as this really, I wouldn't say mistake of the founding fathers to have the Second Amendment, they put it in because they didn't want to have a standing army and for that reason thought, you know, you know, militias were a good, it's been well-preferred since then, but we have an standing army in the US since the Civil War. So they should have abolished the Second Amendment in 1865. But look, there is another issue that I find we should talk about and that's the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment, you know, you have really the explanation why these insurrectionists were not charged, were not hanged. I mean, all the southern, the leaders of the southern rebellion should have put, they should have been shot or hanged because they were insurrectionists, they were, you know, overthrowing the American order. So since then, you have this really bizarre understanding, you know, that these guys would try to overthrow the republic, were simply representatives of a lost cause. Well, what does that mean? Right, and that feeds on the kind of a First Amendment approach to it. And frankly, that guy Stewart Rhodes, he didn't get enough time as far as I'm concerned, and all his friends are trying to overthrow the government. We got special results for him. You had this illustration in 1860. It goes beyond that, though. Vicki, I want to ask you about this. It goes beyond that. The First Amendment gives gives license, if you will, it excuses as Manfred said, is excuses conduct that really should not be tolerated at all. So here we have Trump gets embarrassed in the midterms. He puts his hat in the ring. People are condemning him for anti-Semitic remarks and the like over the past. And yet, and yet this violence continues. And I suggest to you, I like your opinion, I suggest to you that it doesn't matter what Trump does anymore. This has all been unleashed in our country, that these episodes will continue, that we are in a new kind, a new model of civil war, which is violence, not on the street corner, but anywhere at all. Your thoughts, please, on that possibility. I think you're right. And he has fueled now this, this movement from people, and I think it all starts with people who feel that the country, they don't dominate the country like they used to. They're the ones who call out against immigrants taking their jobs. They feel this sense of insecurity, you know, and so in their own twisted way, they're taking control back at all costs by any means. This is how they justify it. And that's very dangerous. But I have one question to ask, and that is as a start, can we not get a ban on assault weapons across the board other than for military use or, you know, police? But why do we even have that in the hands of private citizens? Well, let me just make a quick call to Mitch McConnell. Mitch, are you there? Maybe Mitch has an answer for you, Vicki. I don't think that our founding fathers even thought that that would be acceptable, really. That is to me so something that should be tackled as a very big first step and the necessary one. And I just, I don't understand why that can't be. You know, it's really ironic when I was a kid, I had a 22. We went out and terrible. I hate to admit it in public. We went and shot squirrels. What we did. Okay, can you imagine taking assault assault rifle out into those same woods and shooting squirrels? I'm sure you really need the assault rifle to you. So Stephanie, let me let me go to you and I saved the hardest question of all for our, you know, for our discussion for you, Stephanie. What do we do? What do we do?  We're talking about these nutcases, you know, who have a bad day wind up killing people in great numbers. What do we do about that? Tell me it's mental health. Well, I was going to bring up is because you said that cases and I've noticed that pervading all of this is the overlay of mental health over anybody that shoots anybody has got a mental health problem. I just don't see how that that holds any water at all. And I haven't heard the APA or the psychiatrist or the psychologist, I'm speaking out on this issue. But it is permeating more of the discussions is that we need more money for mental health, including in the New York situation going after these homeless people who have actually mental health diagnosis. And so we have a place to start. So I think we need to get a grip on how how we're slicing and dicing this thing, according to the factors and get get them under control because that one is taking over and we need to go back to the personal responsibility. Yeah, I'm not sure that mental health is the answer.  You know, I don't care about your childhood care about what you're doing now. Jay, there's another issue that I think that we have not talked about. And that's the gender issue that you have white males feeling threatened by the transformation, the major transformation American society, they are losing the power. And they do not know how to handle that. I mean, when you're looking at the new leadership in the House of the Democratic Party. You're not going to tell me that an assault rifle is a phallic symbol, are you? Well, maybe it is. But no, but I think, I think you have this replacement ideology taking root in America that the white majority will be replaced by 2040 or a little bit later by a different majority. And when you're looking at the new leadership of the Democrats in the House, you know, you have a black person and you have an Hispanic and white woman. The white male is not any longer at the center. And I think what you have as a dynamic for a lot of this violence, this guy there in Buffalo, you know, who targeted only black people. He targeted them because he was admittedly a racist. He was against black people. And I think you have to understand that what is really becoming an issue in the US is this gender-based white, anti-black, anti-Asian, anti-Hispanic racism. And for some strange reason, you know, it is a new version of traditional American racism. I mean, America was founded in 1789 on the basis of slavery. The political economy of the Republic was based on the enslavement of 18% of the people living then in the US. And, you know, this issue has never been dealt with in a rational way. Yes. I mean, people try to avoid talking about it. You know, for that reason, I think we have to do a lot of teaching. You know, we had a show yesterday involving Frederick Douglass. Frederick Douglass lived from 1788 to sometime in the late 19th century. And he was a black abolitionist, a very smart, articulate guy. And he said the same things you're saying. And he was making speeches a dozen years before the Civil War, seeing it coming, crying to head it off, talking about racism and the need for equality and diversity and all that. And what he was saying then, 150 years ago, is the same thing we're saying now. We're stuck in amber. We really haven't advanced, or at least a lot of us, millions of us have not advanced. There is a change going on that I think. I want to ask Vicki about that. Vicki, you know, we have now a black leader in the house, or at least a minority leader in the house. That's good. And we have a lot of women, you know, in government, as perhaps never before. And we have minorities, we have diversity from Congress, some of them more competent and moderate than others, but we have them, and they're getting elected, like, you know, the racists or not, they're getting elected. Is this a solution? Okay, to the replacement problem that Manfred talks about. I think what Mr. Manfred said is spot on, what you said about the discussion on Frederick Douglass is spot on. And I think honestly, this whole start of these feelings started even before Trump. I think it started when President Obama was elected. I think a good number in our country will not, did not and would not accept an African American as their president. You can rise up to be a little bit of a manager. You cannot be the number one. You know, gender, race differences. I don't know the answer to that, but I think we have got to tackle gun control. Take, I think that will have an impact on the kind of gun violence that you're seeing as a step. You can't just talk about it, but I don't think that having this representation is, is going to calm things down. I think it'll just add fuel to that segment, the community that's angrier than ever. I do think that if the Republicans have some kind of common sense to have a representative other than Donald Trump, who is not as much of a radical or a lunatic that may bring people to a more moderate position and we could start conversation again. That takes me to Tim, Tim. So the Santas, Ron DeSantis is a possibility for 2024. And if Trump keeps stepping on his own tie, you know, it may happen. I don't know. I believe he's capable of resurrecting himself. He's done that before. Hitler did that before.  So I guess the question I put to you is, is it better under DeSantis? Would DeSantis be a solution to all this violence? Would he, will he calm, you know, the nerves of the racist? Or would he exacerbate the racism? Oh, I think there's a lot of room left for the MAGA concept. Remember, MAGA, Make America Great Again, is really just a dog whistle to white males that you've been pushed and shoved to the back of the room, and it's time to get back to the front of the room. And so I think DeSantis or any, any politician that wants to glom onto power will use that as an effective tool. And I don't think it goes away with Donald Trump. Donald Trump has released MAGA and the MAGA concept, and that's not going away. So DeSantis will, I think, will continue on with it, and even hone in on that, and refine it more. And it will serve him well politically. Yeah, Manfred, you know, we touched on the sides of what happened in Europe in the 30s, and how violence became a kind of political tool, and it still is, among autocrats and dictators everywhere. Where are we going globally? And what is the exchange relationship with the phenomena that we've been talking about in the United States, and in these other places? You want to have a protest, we're going to fix your wagon, and a thing. And we'll put you down, put you in chair, we'll beat you up, we'll kid you or whatever, as in Russia. What is the relationship? Is this part of climate change? What is it? No, I mean, look, you have this replacement ideology popping up in some countries in Europe, you have it in Hungary. Strangely enough, you have it had, you have it also in some Scandinavian countries in Sweden and Denmark and Norway. But I think in the United States, this issue will become worse, the closer become to the change of the ethnic majority. That's what Vicki was saying. Unless, you know, once we have reached that point, I think we will see more of this white male anger manifest itself. Maybe you could say it's also a hopeful sign, because one of the interesting results of the midterms was that contrary to popular belief, young people of all colors voted in greater numbers than ever before. And for some reason, you know, these young people do not buy into this white supremacy ideology that the older male population in the United States does. And you have the same phenomenon, by the way, in Germany, you know, because most Americans do not know that 25% of Germans today have a migrant background.  Yeah, Europe has changed. It has changed in the past few years. I have a movie for you guys to watch. Well, the swimmers make a note of that to swimmers. It's about migration into Germany today. Yeah, but some have not, you know, what bothers me sometimes, you know, my name Henningson has a Danish background. And when I go to Denmark, you know, and when I go to Sweden, what you have there is right wing racism spreading the end. And I have also told remember that the Brexit had to do with a lot of that and the story of Megan, you know, being not liked by other members in the Royal household. It was a very, very powerful motivation for Megan and Harry to move to the United States. What is it? What explains this phenomenon happening all over the place? Is it the water? Is it some effect of climate change? You know what it is. It's pure racism. We have an attack and we have a viral racism. So Stephanie, you know, we talk about we all talk about let's get another generation in here. Let's have diversity. And there's a certain concern that may exacerbate, that that may exacerbate, you know, the racism and replacement problem. But Stephanie, what about the old guys? What is their role? Should Manfred run for office? Should I run for office, Tim? You know, Vicki, Vicki's already done that. She may do that again. But what is the role of the older people, you know, who are not necessarily in that 25 year old group? What can they do about this? Because in a funny way, they may be part of the solution, at least part. A lot. Unarguably, and in appreciation, males, white males, European males of the world have built civilizations and they've contributed greatly. They've also taken all the power where they could. But they are now in position of moving back. I mean, they have no choice. But the changes are now in pinging upon their power structures and even their contributions. And I think that that's where there's some difficulty here, is that these, in our country, European males, they have been the leaders. I mean, they have taken us where we are now. But now they're starting to tear it apart and it's time for them to step up and move us into how we know to live together and to solve problems in ways that they've learned from their corporate challenges. Presumably, they have a little wisdom. A little wisdom. Yes, they need to bring that and put the guns aside and start operating in a 21st, 22nd century manner. We've got to move off the violent go to war thing. There is no war to go to. It's nuclear disaster. Okay, so these guys, as they have contributed throughout time, need to take it on again. It'll be a little different because they don't get to be Emperor King and Prince and I've got it all myself. I do appreciate that as a female. I do appreciate that the males have had to give on this and and they're getting, they're getting with it, some of them are, but it's all changing and the best thing they can do is what they've always done, which is this tremendous capacity to reinvent the world, build civilization and take us to the next, the next levels. Okay, world. You know, do you agree with Stephanie you would like to rebut anything about that. I'm talking to Vicki. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I would just remind everyone that yes, acknowledge what they've done but they couldn't have done it without all those on the backs of the immigrants of the women who did so much and never got any credit. And that is a fact as well. But I agree with you balance acknowledgement, you know, that kind of bigger picture, rather than this narrow minded, we want to get only for us mentality will serve to bring us more peace. Oh God, that is so true that is profoundly true. Hey, can we can we go around for final comments now Tim. I'd like to go first or would you have a comment about what we've been talking about. I'd love to go first because as we talk about male replay white male. Have to talk about insecurity, and was insecurity for white male is the provider mentality that since the caveman days that the white male was the provider or the male is the provider.  And so we're dealing with thousands of years of mentality, and it's got to be addressed somehow some way because Vicki and Manfred are correct. It's inevitable. It's going to happen demographics don't lie. And we got to address it before it becomes even more problematic, as far as violence in our society. Oh, we're really hitting some good points here. Manfred I'm thinking that there may be a common denominator in uncertainty, uncertainty about the future, uncertainty about whether you can feed your family, uncertainty about the political stability of your jurisdiction. You think that might be I'm really asking for your summary comments here, but do you think that might be a common denominator. Stephanie said, you know, white males should change. It's very interesting, you know, I got married in 74 to a young black American woman. And when we in 75 when for the first time to Germany. Germany was stunned by the response, the acceptance. The delight you know that people showed us. But in 1990, we went to East Germany. And here we looked at as an exotic example of what really should not happen. These Germans had not had the experiences the West German had. You know, there was three and a half million black soldiers from 1945 to 1990 stationed in Germany. They had a wonderful experience also because they lived in a white country where they didn't have, you know, colored bathrooms and all kinds of other things that they knew from the south. So Germany was not segregated. But these back soldiers were sent to Germany to cure Germans of racism, and they didn't know what that really meant for them. And Paul and Paul has written about that in his memoirs, because he was one of them. So when I look at Germany today, it is really radically changed country. And for that reason, you know, I am when I'm looking at the midterms in the US. I see the US as a troubled but as a changing country, positively changing country. And for that reason, I'm not as pessimistic as I was before the midterms. And whatever happens, you know, in the Santa's minds or in Trump's mind still disturbs me, but I am not any longer as troubled as I was before America has a future that is not as sick as I thought it was. Okay, all right, wow, we're really hitting some good points. Vicki, let me, let me repeat the one question I would be interested in hearing from you about. And of course you summarize anyway you want but you think uncertainty is nervousness about the future about, you know, the future of the economies ability to earn a living get a fair deal is part of the malaise that we have. And I think that the world is changing businesses are changing. It is tough for a middle age white person who's been doing things a certain way to to adapt and I think you've got to recognize that with some empathy before we, you know, go on a rampage like they're doing. But having said that there is no doubt this difficulty to to bridge together their defiant position that they will not accept leaders who are of color, or who are women I think that's going to be very difficult. And really we just hold it together so that the next generation can lead with better judgment and decisions I think for this generation our generation we just got to try to keep it all together before it explodes on us. And you know, Stephanie, you've had time in education and you must put yourself in the school as a teacher or administrator in the school in Uvali, for example. And you see these guys burst in the door or some loner burst in the door with an assault weapon. And you know your, your moments are numbered. What is your philosophical reaction to that risk. That would be the end of the game. It's hard. It's hard. So what we have to do goes back to a point I was trying to make that we know so much more now. Especially males because of their leadership roles and how to problem solve, and how to decide on policies that will keep us safe and protect us and move off of these power structures and domains and, and, and this fierceness of opposition that that permeates our politics. We know how I mean how did we get to the moon. I mean, how do we go to Mars. I mean we know how to do these things and to bring people into situations that are very complicated and socially complicated as well and we bring all these best minds to those. And we need to that to proliferate so that we have these problems on in hand and in treatment as they should be whoever that person coming in the door. Okay, for our final comment here let me let me just ask Mitch what he thinks a Mitch are you there. Yes. Mitch knows how to think complicated despite the difficulty of the subject today I compliment you all on reaching new issues, profound issues philosophical issues issues that really have a chance at understanding and succeeding here. Tim Apichella, Manfred Ericsson, Vicki Caitano, and of course Stephanie Stoltalter. Thank you so much all of you. Aloha. Aloha.


Welcome to the very first web show of 2024. Happy New Year. As you can see, I'm not in my 80s basement. I'm somewhere very tropical, but I'm still rocking the 80s. I hope you enjoy this interview as much as I enjoyed chatting to this actress. She is one of my favorites. She's in one of my favorite films. Dream a Little Dream. If you do love Dream a Little Dream, it's a fantastic two quarries film. Make sure you subscribe because I have another interview related to that film coming up. But in the meantime, please enjoy this chat. We talked about Corey Hame. We talked about the 80s. We talked about fame. We talked about succession. So without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, Lala Sloatman. Growing up, did you always want to act and model? Was it always something you wanted to do? When I was really little, like three, four, five, I wanted to be a stewardess, which we now call a flight attendant. I would fly back and forth when I was really, my dad was a pilot and I thought that was like the most fancy job when I was a little, little kid. And then I wanted to be a veterinarian, but around, I'd say seven, six or seven, I started wanting to be an actress. When I saw a turning point, I even remember watching Psycho and Loving That or Lady Sings the Blues with Diana Ross where she plays Billie Holiday and just like Loving That or even Mahogany with Diana Ross. That was one of my favorite movies too. There was an array of movies that made me want to be an actress. A Star is Born with Barbara Streisand and Chris Christopherson, forget about it. When you made that decision as a young girl to want to be an actress, what were your steps? Did you take lessons? Did you just start auditioning? Were your parents supportive? My parents weren't together, so I had several different caregivers, relatives. By the time I was eight, and I had made the decision that that's what I wanted to do when I grew up, I moved to Northern California, a place called Paradise California, which is north of Sacramento. And there's not a lot of acting going on up there. So it really wasn't until my teenage years when I moved down to Los Angeles, when I moved into my Uncle Frank's house, my Aunt Gail, her kids were acting and recording records and MTV VJs. And so she was like, I'm gonna help you do what you've been dreaming of doing. I'll help you become an actress. She got me an agent and sent me on auditions and that's how it ended up. And of course I got into acting classes. I took a ton of different acting classes. And your first, and again, apologies if the internet is incorrect, but your first breakthrough role was Tracy in Watches, which is a brilliant film. Did you feel at the time that you knew that this was gonna be something that would actually kickstart your career and how exciting was that? Was it kind of what you expected being on set to be like? That was actually my third film. I didn't think it was a horror movie. I didn't think it was going to do very well. You know, I was a teenager. So things that did well to me were like John Hughes movies. You know what I mean? That's where my mindset was like, Dream a Little Dream was my second film. I thought perhaps that would do better.  And I'm so thankful I got those roles, but I didn't know what I was doing. I had no idea. So the fact that there wasn't like a breakthrough role for me at that point, I still haven't really had a breakthrough role, but I didn't think that Watchers was a great movie. I thought it was like kind of unbelievable, like a crocodile slash gorilla, like a science experiment. I mean, I just knew that Corey Hame was in it. So it would probably be seen a little bit, but it wasn't. When I saw it, I was like, man, that's not gonna help me. It has become a cult classic though. You know, it's very, yeah, it's today, probably more popular than it was when it first came out then from what you're saying, but it's definitely a cult classic. Yeah, people DM me a lot about it, there's a whole group of Corey Hame fans that just love him so much. And I get a lot of messages about that movie. And I have a hard time watching it. It's hard for me to watch it because I personally was going through a lot of difficult things at that time. And I think I'm terrible in it. I really can't stand my acting at all. But Michael Ironside is amazing, Corey was great, Barbara was great, but maybe I should give it another shot, check it out.  Well, I mean, dream a little dream. And that's the reason I had messaged you because for me, it is actually my, I would say my ultimate favorite film just because how much it connects with me from my teenagers, it was my first CD, I ever bought the soundtrack. And it's just a really special film. And I hear that at the time it didn't do very well, but it again, it has become this cult classic. And I could ask you so many questions about it, but did you feel more confident going onto that set? And what was that whole experience like? You were in Wilmington and it had such a great cost. And it was just such a brilliant film. So my first, my very first part that I ever got was Tequila Sunrise, but it was only two days of filming. There was a few days of rehearsal with the whole cast, which was incredible. Like Michelle Pfeiffer, I was obsessed with her. To get a part in a movie with her was just my dream come true. So I was at these table readings and rehearsals. And then, so there was more days than just, I think I worked maybe five days on the movie and only two shoot days. And right in the midst of that, I got Dream a Little Dream. Being on the set of Dream a Little Dream felt a lot more comfortable. Corey and I were in a relationship. I got the part authentically, whereas in Watchers, I didn't get the part authentically. Like Corey told John Hess, our director, Lala's doing this part, or I'm not doing the movie, which was lovely, but it also, I wasn't chosen for the role. It wasn't for me. So I had a little bit of an issue being on that movie anyways. Corey on Dream a Little Dream was in a better state. And we were, our relationship was in a better state. And a lot of my friends were in that movie. So when I auditioned for it, Mark Rocco was so loving and sweet. I showed up to a couple callbacks with my best friend, Rhea, at the time, who's in the movie. And I showed up with Corey, because it was just Corey Feldman's movie. Corey Hames' part wasn't even created really. And when Corey was with me at an audition, Mark came out and was like, oh man, will you play a little part in the movie? And Dinger became a much bigger part.  Matt Adler and Meredith. I think I had known Josh a tiny bit before, but Billy, none of us had met Billy yet. But in this amazing cast, Jason Robards, all these people, it just was more of a fun environment. And so I felt more comfortable, but I still didn't like myself in the movie. I was still really, really critical of my acting abilities. I mean, there's some line readings that I'm okay with, but for the most part, when I watch certain scenes, like the scene outside with Rhea and Meredith, that we're talking about Bobby's homework, I do his homework, I can't stand it. I can't stand watching that. And there's another one where I leave, whatever, there's like some of the dance party stuff and we're at the dance, like that stuff I feel okay with, but a lot of my line readings on that movie too, it's really hard for me to appreciate myself in it, but everybody else is great. When was the last time you watched it? I guess it was about a year and a half ago, maybe sooner, because it came out on Blu-ray and somebody that is a big fan of the movie sent it to me, I watched it with my daughter. She liked it, she loved it. Her favorite movie that I'm in, it was called Man Fast, but they changed the name to Holding Out. She loves that movie. Is it true that your opportunity to read came from a strange encounter with Corey Feldman? We were both at the courthouse on the same day. We were both getting emancipated so that we could work longer hours as an adult, work adult hours, and Corey Feldman was getting emancipated because he was having financial issues with his family. I was just trying to be able to be on set longer hours. Mark Rocco was with Corey in court. We ran into each other in the hallway and Corey said, will you testify for me and help me with this thing against my parents? It's so sad to think about it now, but.  I'm directing his next movie, Dream a Little Dream, I'll send you a script and I'd love for you to come in and read for it. So that's how I got the audition for Dream a Little Dream. Even though I had this fabulous, this amazing agent that was at ICM, I really, I didn't deserve her honestly and I know I'm really hard on myself, but as an actress, where I was coming from, she was just a much more high caliber agent and my Aunt Gale got her for me. She represented my cousin Dweezel. So she just kind of like, I'll send her out on a few auditions, we'll see how it goes. And I got the three auditions she sent me on, which was miraculous. So she did let me stay, like sign a contract with her and stay on, but that audition came through Mark, yeah, the director. And I promise I don't have too many questions about Dream a Little Dream, I do have more. But some of the cast in Jason Robars and Harry Dean Stanton and Piper Laurie, they were such legends of film. Did they give you tips? Hens, did you talk to them about the careers? Did they give you advice for your career? I did have a few conversations with Harry Dean Stanton and he was so lovely. Piper Laurie and Jason, my mom was like, oh my God, I can't believe you're doing a movie with Jason Robars, that's so amazing. And I loved Carrie growing up. I'd seen that movie a bunch of times. So I loved Piper Laurie, but they weren't on, I didn't have a lot of scenes with them. I only had that one running through the yard and the sprinkler, they turned the sprinklers on us. That was kind of like my only day on set with him. Corey and Meredith most worked with them more than I got an opportunity to. So I didn't really get to speak to them all that much. I mean, I do, I vaguely remember being on the backyard lawn, all of us sitting around in between takes, like talking slightly, but there was eight kids with these two amazing actors that I don't, I don't remember a word I said in the conversation. Whereas Harry Dean, I definitely remember. He came to my, I had a party in my hotel room. We were all staying in the same hotel, but I had a party and he came to my party. He was the only adult actor that came to the, like some of the crew members came, but out of the cast, he was the only adult that showed up. And he was so lovely. Fame seems to be, obviously from someone who was not famous, fame seems to be this incredibly crazy thing that you can only understand if you actually become famous. And then in the late 80s, when you had like the machine of the two quarries and the soda pop club and no social media and phones. And was it, what was it like to have that level of fame and be around all these people with that level of fame? Was it crazy? Was it scary? Was it fun? All of the above? It was all of the above, yeah. Having grown up with so much dysfunction in my family and different caregivers raising me, I had a very low self-worth at that time. So to be Corey's girlfriend and to see how much attention they were getting, we'd go to premieres or parties or any kind of function, like the kids' choice awards or whatever, to see how much girls loved him. I, it felt like I got this false sense of self-worth through being chosen by him. But I always had a feeling like this wasn't for me. This was his. And it was scary too, because there was a lot of, at that time, there was a lot of drugs involved. And it just, it could be really scary. It could be super exciting and really fun. I mean, both quarries used to love to go into Westwood, which is like the, where UCLA is, at the time there was like these six big movie theaters and the Lost Boys was playing there and they'd love to go like sit in the audience and listen to all the kids go watch it and the attention that they got from doing that. And yeah, it was crazy. I mean, it really was. All those magazines, you go to a newsstand and there was like every Teen Bob, Teen, whatever, Tiger Beat, like there was thousands of these magazines. And then they had those 900 numbers. Hey, Mom, are you a good kisser? Yeah, I think I'm a good kisser. Oh, I think from what I've heard, from what I've been told, the feedback I've gotten is you're a great kisser. You could call every week and Corey would leave like a 15 minute message of what he'd been doing the week. Call me, 1900, 909, 3300. It's very important. I have a lot to tell you guys, please call me. So people would call and listen to this message. Alyssa had one. There was a few actors that had them. It was just crazy. Guess what? Corey Hayman, Corey Feldman are giving out their personal numbers. If you call 1900, 909, 3700, you can listen to their private phone messages and get their personal number where you can leave them a message of your own. $2 to first minute, 45 cents each additional minute. Ask your parents before you call 1900, 909, 3700. If you call me right now, I'll give you my private number. You call that number and you'll hear a recording and I'll give you my personal number if you call that and we'll wrap. It really was crazy. I mean, I'm sure for Justin Bieber, it's like a whole different, now it's with social media, it's a completely different beast, but it was fascinating and scary and amazing. I had read also in an interview that you had called Corey your biggest heartbreak and I believe you were dating for a couple of years, but how do you feel like he should be remembered as an actor and as a person because he is obviously still so loved? Yeah, well, he wasn't my biggest heartbreak but he was my first major heartbreak. The first time I felt like I was dying from a breakup. Like I just couldn't even, I couldn't stop crying. I couldn't function for a good six months. We had this really dysfunctional relationship. We got back together, broke up, got back together. I mean, I wish people would remember him like in the Lost Boys, that's my favorite. I love him in Lucas to license to drive is amazing. I mean, I think he needs to be remembered for what a great actor he was. He was a really good actor before it started to go downhill and he was fun loving and silly and goofy and yeah, I really appreciate all his fans that reach out because they love him so much and he deserves it. I wish he was here to feel it, I really do because I don't think he ever really could feel, take it really in and really feel it. You later on worked with Sophia Coppola in Somewhere which I thought was a beautiful film. I believe you knew her for modeling days as well. I think I saw a picture of your Instagram where she was the photographer. What was she like to work with? Oh, I love Sophia. She, we worked together a lot in the 90s. She would use me for all different campaigns or just photographs when she was really just taking pictures and the first thing she directed she had a clothing company called Milk Fed and she directed this little short film with me and Josh Freeze who's a drummer. He was in The Vandals, he was in Guns N' Roses, he's in Foo Fighters now. I mean, Josh is like this incredible, amazing drummer but he's in it and it was just like this little short thing she directed. So it was like the first thing she ever directed but I love working with Sophia. On Somewhere, I of course had grown up with Steven and I met Steven when he was 11. And then of course we lived on the same street in the 80s. It was great to come on that movie because Sophia wanted us to rehearse, like spend the whole day pretending that we were a real family and she just shot it with a couple just handheld cameras. So the three of us just spent the whole day at the chateau acting like we were a family having a lunch and sitting around the hotel and up in the room and getting into fights and it was really helpful to have that connection because I wasn't a mom yet but it was really helpful to rehearse and spend the whole day pretending we were a family. I love working with Sophia, she's amazing. Of all your acting work that you've done today what are you most proud of and that you can look back on and be proud of? I like pump up the volume. I like holding out. It's not that great of a movie but I can watch myself in it. The movie I'm doing right now with Zan Cassavetes is like the first time in my entire life that I can watch myself and I'm actually not criticizing everything I'm doing.  I'm really good in this. So that's that movie I'm really proud of. I'm really proud of myself in it and I don't know what's gonna happen with it. I don't know how it will be received but it's good to finally like myself in something and not be cringing the whole time I'm on the screen. Again, the internet but I read that in addition to acting you worked as a costumer. I am still doing costume but when I was married I used to style my ex-husband and then in 2000 I started assisting a costume stylist and did a ton of music videos and then I started doing my own things. The last TV show I worked on, it's called Shrinking. I love that show, that's so good. Yeah, I worked on just a few episodes.  I've mostly done a lot of commercials. I just started doing like television and live TV. Is acting something you want to get into more again? Yeah, absolutely. I love acting, especially now because I went through a period after my daughter was born. I started getting really uncomfortable auditioning and just couldn't be present in my body and feeling really anxious every time I had an audition and just sort of like blacking out in the audition process. Then I decided that I needed to take a break from it and then I didn't want to go back but during the pandemic, Xan wanted to work on this project and I fell back in love with it so now I want to start doing it again. What would be your dream role or dream cast or dream director? Oh, wow, that's a good question.  I would love to work with him. I'd love to be on a show like Succession. I mean, that's the best. It's funny, my last question actually, I have two more but one of them was did you watch the Succession finale because I saw you post about it and what did you think? Oh my God, I love that show so much. I can't believe it's over. The other show that ended too was Berry. I love Berry. See, there's Bill Hader, somebody else I would love, love to work with. It was so sad to see Shiv sort of in that role with Tom. But I had heard, I'd heard because I like to go on a Twitter deep dive after Succession and see what other people do. And someone had said that the moment she saw Kendall sit in Logan's chair, that was when she purposefully didn't want him to become Logan. So she sacrificed the vote and her life becoming her mom and Lady Macbeth and all of that analogy. So Kendall out of love for Kendall. I like that theory, but I don't know if it's correct but I do like that theory. It's hard for me to believe that she, it was out of love for Kendall. I don't know. I don't know, I like that theory too though because I saw that, it just made me sad because she, the way she put her hand on his hand, the look on her face, I just felt like, ah, this is the last thing she wanted. I just wanted her so badly to finally get that opportunity from her dad. It reminds me of my family too, a bit. Like the way that he spoke to that, there was a lot of, my Aunt Gail is a lot like Logan with much less power. But yeah, I think that's why I was watched it so much because it was kind of like, oh, this feels like home on a much smaller scale. Did you have a Greg in your family then? Oh yeah. In fact, I feel kind of like I am the Greg. I really do. I feel like Greg a lot.  If I could go back and talk to that teenage self, I would tell her, first of all, your body is kicking. Stop picking on it and love yourself. Give yourself a break. And I would just, I would tell her to protect yourself more and put more self-love into every day. Don't be so quick to abandon yourself.