Why you should go for a run when you're in any new city, whether you're visiting as a tourist or You've just arrived, whatever, go for a run or jump on a bicycle Arnold Schwarzenegger told me when I met him at his home a couple months ago That he, whenever he goes to a new city, he rides a bicycle Me, I like to run, either or That's Tower Bridge in London And I'm just, the reason why it's good rather than just a walk I mean a walk is good, but obviously if you run or you cycle Put these off actually, you can You can cover more ground You can see more things, whereas if you walk Maybe you only cover a short distance But running like this I've just started running from Waterloo Bridge in London Here we go, here's a wedding going on Or some photography When you run or when you Ride a bicycle, obviously you can carry You can cover a ton more ground See more things Plus you get to release those endorphins From exercise, whenever you exercise Your body releases endorphins and makes you feel good So when I get home Or back to my hotel at the Strand In Probably 25 minutes from now You know what, let's just go this way I was going to go up Tower Bridge, but Let's see this This is cool Here's the thing, I didn't know it was going to come here I was thinking I'll just run over Tower Bridge But now I see something interesting Like a detour So studies have shown that Exercising Obviously it makes you It makes you feel good It gives you But it gives you better clarity, more focus It makes you think Makes you happier, calmer And if you're happier and you're calmer That means you have better relationships When you have better relationships You become happier, when you're happier You make more money, you become happier It's all kind of intertwined Let's go down here See what's down this way, shall we? You can imagine what England must have been like 200 years ago around this area Here's another view of Tower Bridge There we go Looking at it from the other angle Pretty nice, huh? And then you've got up towards the Financial District of London that way Let's have a look at the Thames Thames Tides out a little bit There we go So let's start to run back now I've been running Let's see, 23 minutes So far So if I turn around now I should get back in 45, 46, maybe 50 If I stop a little bit On the way just to take some photos Or take a snapchat If you follow me on snapchat Or if you don't follow me on snapchat Or if you follow me at James Swanig So this is the way I love To see any city Get out, you do it in the day time You get Vitamin D This is where we're going to go right now You get Vitamin D You release endorphins You see the sights You feel good, you're out amongst people What's the downside? You get fit while you're doing it So many people go on like overseas trips And they just walk When you travel you can cover a lot of distance walking I'm not saying don't walk I'm saying try to do it You know, every day or every other day Make sure you get some physical Exertion in like a run Kill two birds with one stone The other thing is you can see them wearing my earbuds at the moment Before I stopped to take this video I was listening to an audio An audio book About lifestyle design Living and working overseas Travelling the world Getting paid to do what you love So you can actually kill three birds with one stone You can See the sights of London Or whatever city you're in We're about to go up here You can get sunlight Actually it's four birds with one stone You get sunlight, Vitamin D Vitamin D has been Shown to alleviate your mood Make you happier Make you feel happier and healthier What have I covered then? I've lost my channel of thought You get sunlight, you get exercise You get to see the sights See a new environment More studies have shown that humans love novelty They love new things So just coming out and seeing a new thing is exciting And you feel good Doing it Exercise, feel good, sunlight, sights And learning There you go, five things You get to learn at the same time So you can be walking around or running around Listening to an audio book at the same time So if this was helpful for you Go ahead and leave a comment below Don't forget to subscribe to my button You get more videos to subscribe to my channel I should say you're going to get more videos just like this Lots of free little tips and hacks Follow me on Snapchat And I'll catch you on the next one London England I'm going to pick it up again See ya Hey, I'm James Swanick, thank you so much for watching this video If you want to watch my next video Then click here, if you want to subscribe to this channel To get new videos, click here And if you want to follow me on social media Like my Snapchat right here, you can see my snap Click on the links down there Go on, do it now, I'll wait for you Snapchat, Snapchat


I'm going to talk to you about security metrics that matter. So there are all sorts of different types of metrics that you can gather, but not all of them actually make sense or have value. So today, we are going to talk about the value of measurement and reporting and improvement. We're going to talk about what and how to get the metrics that will truly matter to your team, but also your organization. Then I have a case study here, but I'm not sure if we're going to have time to get through it because we have 30 minutes. So let's not waste time, let's go. So I'm fancy, that's what this slide is about. I do lots of stuff. I think I'm cool and so does my mom, and hopefully you feel that this slide and the introduction tell you I'm qualified to give this talk. So enough about me. I want to talk about metrics. So metrics are either a method of measuring something or the results obtained from measuring something. So we're going to talk about the results obtained from measuring things and we're going to talk a little bit about how to measure and what you can measure. But before we do anything, we need to talk about, well, first, we're going to talk about how it's important and why. We're going to talk about what vanity metrics are at length because I really don't want you to get the wrong things, and then we're going to talk about how you can measure and what to measure. Okay, so we measure for two reasons. One, because we want to report. We want to be able to tell all the bosses, all the things that they really, really want to know. But we also want that data so that we can improve, so that we can create a totally kick-ass security program. So to repeat, reporting is for management and metrics are for us, boots on the ground. And so a little bit more. So when we report, reporting can help us get money. And if you're on a security team, you know tools cost a fortune, training is pricey. There's like, you want to hire more staff, you don't have money or you can't offer them as much money as you'd like to. And so when we report, it can help us get budget for tools, resources, staff, all those things. Sometimes reporting is part of compliance or audit. So you've got to check that box. It's important, it's a thing you have to do. Reporting makes our bosses happy.  And so what we need metrics for is improvement because we want to get more awesome at what we do. We want to hone our craft. We want to make sure that our program gets the best results it can. We're not going to have time to do every single thing that we want. And so we have to spend our time and energy on the things that matter the most. And so this is the last time I'm going to say this, but basically reports are for bosses or for other teams. Well, metrics are for us. And so we're going to talk a lot about metrics and then you can report them. Okay, so vanity metrics. For anyone that has read The Lean Startup, which is an amazing book by a dude named Eric Reyes, or the book Metrics That Matter Using OKRs, I can't remember the rest, but I'll have the book at the end. They explain at length what vanity metrics are. So those are numbers that look good, but aren't actually valuable. So I'm going to give you some examples of vanity metrics.  If you're trying to lose weight, you want the number to go down, but maybe you're changing fat into muscles, et cetera. And like again, just the number on the scale is a vanity metric. It's not necessarily helpful for exactly what you're doing for every single person. And so let's talk about vanity metrics around work instead. So I used to work somewhere and my job was measuring if people would click on our articles and read our articles. So it was our job to create content that would help everyone how to use our products. And my job was how to help them use our products securely and how to help them use our security products well. And so the idea was is that if there's enough content that customers can figure it out on their own and they don't have to bother calling support, it makes the customer experience way better. They know what to do. They know how to use the products safely, securely and get good results. And it saves us money because we have less calls on support. So what we used to do is we would measure how much they clicked. And so I had a friend on the team, super awesome French Canadian dude who lives in Quebec. And he would get like 5,000, 6,000 clicks per article. And he was writing, you know, about coding and I was writing about security and I'd get like 400 or 500 clicks and I was like really distraught. We had this dashboard and I wanted to be at the top of the dashboard because that's how I am. I'm like, how'd you do that? And so he took me aside and showed me, yeah, I just, I share a lot of things on Reddit. And the people on Reddit are really mean, but gosh darn, do they click? So I started sharing things on Reddit and my numbers went way up, but my engagement didn't go up. Like there were no more comments. People weren't sharing it. So we went to the team and we asked them if they could give us how long the people stayed after they clicked. And so it turned out my original 500, they were staying 1.5 minutes on average. That's awesome. But his were staying 1.5 seconds on average, which is a bounce. Like that means they've clicked on it but they don't actually read anything, they don't get any value. And so he was actually getting very, very few reads. And we figured out that basically Reddit is the cesspool I always thought it was and that people weren't really clicking and actually getting value from it and posting there, it turned out wasn't really worth our time. And we got a lot more value sharing things on Twitter, on LinkedIn and other places. And it turned out that, you know, like it's not that it wasn't worth doing it all but the clicks from there were all fake. And so we changed our click rate, they had to stay three seconds. And so that was a vanity metric that we were getting. I didn't marry him, he was getting 5,000 clicks because we weren't getting what we actually wanted, which was people to read our articles. Another, another instant, another metrics is like an important metric. So not a vanity metric is when I first started doing instant response, every single instant we'd have a post-mortem report. After three months I took all of them and I put them in different categories. And one of the categories was application security flaws. And it turned out 26% of our incidents were based on that. And I showed my bosses and told them about my concern and I explained to them, like, I could have caught any of this with a quick scan, right? Like, and if we actually enabled our devs and gave them some education and thought on this, like we could easily have eliminated all of these incidents and they were extremely, so it's 26% of our incidents, but it was the absolute worst. All of them were the most serious, they cost the most, they took the longest amount and one of them was super embarrassing. I'm like, if we could get rid of 26% of our incidents plus get rid of all of the critical, super scary embarrassing costly ones, I mean, that's good. And I showed them how much it would cost, how much we would gain and they let me launch my first AppSec program. And so those were not vanity metrics, like being able to show them the return on investment, I'm like, listen, I'm here on a two-year contract, I have five months left. In five months, I believe I can accomplish this. This is how much money it costs to respond to these incidents way more than that five months worth of my contract. And during that meeting, they approved it and I watched my very first AppSec program and I used metrics to do it. The last one is, is I worked at another place and I had been a temporary CISO. So for like four months, I was a CISO and I ran everything. And then it was time for me to go because I decided that being a manager was not my jam and I really wanted to be a pentester instead. So I switched. And so they had a new person who didn't have very much experience who they were letting try out the job for a while until they found a permanent person. And so we're having our first meeting with the boss where we're doing a Passover. And so before he said, yeah, I made an awesome report. And he shows it to me and it is a circle. And part of it is orange and part of it's yellow and part of it's red. And on top it says circle of risk. And one said like 42%, whatever, whatever and add up to a hundred.  And he's like CEOs and like executives, they just wanna see pictures. I'm like, that doesn't mean anything though. That there's no value in that document. Like 46% of our vulnerabilities that we're aware of are high. What does that mean? Has it gone down from last month? Like what did it used to be? Did we find more because we got a new tool or did we find more because we're doing a bad job? Like this doesn't communicate anything to me. And he's like, no, no, man, he'll like it. And so we go into the meeting and he presents his circle of risk. And I'm like, just like blank faced, right?   It doesn't mean anything. These are vanity metrics. This offers zero value. He's like, do you think I just wanna look at random pictures?  That would be just as useful to me. He's like, oh my God. He's like, just go, just leave.  So we can't present vanity metrics to smart people because they're not gonna put up with that. And I hope that you sort of understand what I mean by vanity metrics now. But let's go on to you getting the things you want. So for the next slides, I want you to think about your security program goals. I want you to think about what can help you get there. And then I want us to measure it. I want us to measure every single thing that you think might get you there so you can figure out what is actually getting you there. And then we're gonna circle back a bit to it. Okay, so metrics versus measurement. They're not quite the same. We can't measure apples and oranges together. And so depending upon your organization, you might use a scale of one to 10. You might use a scale of informational, low, medium, high, critical, and oh no. But what a lot of larger organizations do, for instance, government organizations or enterprises, they'll use an in-house risk score. So very briefly, I'm gonna go over some of the things that you could have based on an in-house risk score. But again, I'm conscious of time and I don't wanna cut off the end because I will talk about what you should base your in-house risk score at length. I'm all obsessed with measurements and data, but I'm gonna try not to digress too much. So a lot of the things that in-house risk scores are based on or should be based on are ease of exploit. So when Spectre and Meltdown came out and everyone's like, oh my gosh, it's the end of the world. I'm like, it took six PhDs a year to write that exploit.  Like you need to have a high like attraction rate to malicious actors to make that worth it. If you're Bob and Alice's flowers and you run like two shops, I don't think that they're gonna worry about doing that attack to you. So is the system public facing or is it internal only? Because there's different risk. You still have to protect internal only apps. Do not get me wrong, but the risk is different. What privileges gained, right? Like are they able to increase their privilege or get privileges they should not have had at all? How long has this vulnerability been known? So that's kind of important. What are the specific risks to your business? I used to work in elections, Canada and they have totally different risks than for instance, I used to work at Microsoft, right? Like the risks and the things that are very important to those two organizations are completely different and they're both really important to them. And so while like the people that run the elections don't have the same concerns, their concerns are still very, very valid. And so doing stuff in your in-house risk score management based around the specific risks to your organization is very important. One shoe does not fit all. So data classification, so is there sensitive data in there? If so, what is the sensitivity level or not? Is the confidentiality, integrity or availability affected by this risk that you have found? Because that's our mandate. Okay, so now let's talk about metrics that matter.  Okay, so metrics that matter to you, to your security program. So time to detection. There was a slash dot article about how it takes 276 days on average to detect a breach, that is scary. And I believe that's from 20, that article was from 2018 or 2019, but that is a long time. Time to remediate or patch. This is also really important. If you're finding vulnerabilities like nobody's business, you found every single vulnerability, but it takes up to a year to get things patched, it does not matter, your program is still not succeeding. Do you have a baseline security posture that you expect and how close are to you it? And how much closer are you getting? So quite often I will try to create service level agreements. And so I wanna measure if I, the security team and meeting the service level agreements with Dev and Ops, but I also wanna see if they are meeting their service level agreements with me on patching and remediation. What is the average number of vulnerabilities per system or app? Does it go down or up over time? And are you detecting the same types of vulnerabilities or reduction in the number of vulnerabilities? So are you able to detect new types of vulnerabilities? And that goes back to two before that. So the average number of vulnerabilities per system or app, if that shoots way up, you should look at that and think, oh, is that when we implemented that new security testing tool? Yeah, because it found all sorts of new things we could never find before. And that's a metric of you succeeding because you're now able to find so much more stuff you couldn't find before. If for instance, let's say you gave a bunch of education on specific topics, and then after the incidents of that occurring, like that vulnerability being written into code goes down, that's you showing I did this work and this was the positive effect it had on our teams and our systems, like our security posture went up and I can prove it. Oh gosh, bosses love that, but I love that because it's really, really important to me that I am actually succeeding and I'm not just going to work to get a paycheck. I need to actually make my organization more secure. After targeting specific vulnerabilities, do they decline? There's very little point in trying to eradicate a certain vulnerability if you're not measuring if you're actually doing it. I'm a huge fan of setting goals and then measuring my way to getting there and making sure I actually do. So security incidents, they are the most humiliating, damaging and expensive way to deal with a vulnerability for the first time. They are awful. So I used to do incident management quite a bit and incident response, like investigating when software has had breaches. And I find it to be the most thrilling and exciting and also the most stressful part of security for me. It's like I'm addicted or something. It's like it's so exciting, but I also like it's hard for me to like put it down. I want to work on it day and night until it's done. So if we can reduce the number of incidents, the length of time it takes to resolve each incident or reduce the damage they cause, this is one of the most high value goals that we could potentially set for our team. And so I want to talk briefly about incident metrics that matter. So when we have an incident, we want to measure and put it in the postmortem report. How long did it take us to resolve this? How long did it take us to detect this? How long did it take us to triage? Like to say for sure it's an incident rather than just a security event. What were the types and categories of incidents? So which ones are app sec related? Which ones are malware or ransomware related? Which ones are the public being weird? When I worked at various different government departments, sometimes the public would just do things where you're like, that's so weird. And you'd still have to investigate. Like sometimes they would send us code or they would send us things that I guess were encrypted. And we'd have to investigate like what is this? People would report bugs to us. We'd have to verify if it was a bug or not because quite often it's not. And so categorizing all of those things is important and seeing how long it takes. And you can't make the public not be weird just so you know, I've tried.  But you can solve a lot of other types of problems and prevent them. Was your process followed or was it not followed? And if it wasn't followed, why? Sometimes it's cause no one knows what the process was and you've done a bad job of advertising. Sometimes it's because the process is such that then the person will break the rule of their job or their manager and they're not allowed to do that thing. And like you have a conflict there that you need to fix. An approximate estimate of the cost and damage of this incident, that's really important. And when you calculate this include all the hours of everyone including their overtime that it cost plus everything else. So let's say you had to hire a third party to come in and do forensics on a hard drive. Let's say everyone had to stay overnight and then you had to give all of them overtime. All of those things should be included in there. Are you repeating the same type of incidents over and over or are you finding new types? That's so important. If you are able to detect more types of things that's really good even though brief story. I started working somewhere and in the first couple of weeks I reported 26 security incidents. And my manager at one point she looked at me and she was super pissed and she's like, Tanya before you started we didn't have any incidents. I was here a year and we had zero. And of course I responded this place is a flaming dumpster fire and before you had no one that knew where to look. We are in a much better shape by knowing because all these things I'm reporting are more than a year old. Most of them, some of them were just six months but a lot of them have been going on for a really long time. And I'm like, it's way better that we know. And then she's like, you're right. I'm angry. And I'm like, me too. She was actually a really great boss. She was really nice. That was like her one. She was just, it's upsetting, right? And she's like, could you just calm down? I'm like, I can't. I can't not report things I see. I'm sorry. Anyway, she liked me anyways. Do other teams understand what they're supposed to do and do they cooperate? Sometimes other teams do not cooperate and this is a big deal and you need to know why. The real reason why. Not, you know, this person's really hard to work with. There has to be like, there's usually a legit reason if someone's not cooperating during an emergency and it might be that they don't understand the importance. Was a postmortem performed every single time? That is really important.  If you are not doing postmortems, I consider it a big problem. Quarterly review of all incidents that, so I take all of the postmortem reports and I chunk through it. I usually put a lot of stuff into Excel and I try to come out with patterns and I try to crush those patterns. And time between incidents. So when I worked at Elections Canada, I ran the security for the election. It was really exciting in 2015 where we voted in Justin Trudeau and when the election was over, they rested the staff. So what they would do is they would give us really, really easy, simple things to do and like do slow cleanup and on purpose make sure that we were covered because they had been running elections for 164 years or something and they're really good at it. They're really, really good at it. And they know that burnout is real and that was the longest election that we've ever had. So it was 89 days, I believe and usually our elections are 36 days. We were exhausted and they don't wanna lose their staff. It's way cheaper to treat your staff well than to burn them out.  They're gonna quit and then you are so screwed. And so it's really, really important that you make sure that there's time in between incidents where they can rest and if you see zero on that all the time that's not acceptable. And then lastly, did you have access available? So access as an accounts that actually work and tools during the incident and if not, why not? And you need to fix that for next time.  Okay, enough about incidents, I'm very passionate. Okay, so tools for measurement. If you are gonna buy a tool so that you can do measuring a metrics it needs to have the ability to see patterns, the ability to keep your information safe. You must protect this information. It is really important and really valuable. You should not get into the wrong hands and two, ideally the ability to automate data collection. That's more like a nice to have but it's really, really, really nice to have. So here are some tools that I have seen used in the past and then I'm gonna tell you which ones are good and which ones aren't in my experience. So Microsoft Excel, email and keeping documents and folders, vulnerability management tools, checking a bunch of different security tool dashboards, other tool dashboards that are not meant for vulnerability management but that are meant as business data tools such as Power BI, your cloud dashboard, if it accepts external data. So I used to work at Microsoft, so I know way more about their tools than anyone else's and Adverse Security Center has APIs and you can put your data into it. Saving all of the database, all the data into a database and then querying it yourself. So Microsoft Excel for the win. I have seen it used a lot and if you have a small team it can be good. I don't work at Microsoft anymore but I freaking love Excel. Saving things in emails or documents or folders that sucks every time it's a mess, every time people can't get the things they want, it's not organized. I strongly advise against it. Vulnerability management tools like Defectojo, Threadfix, Xero North, et cetera, they're made for this.  You always end up having to export the data into one place so that you can actually see the real trends. Using other dashboards like Power BI or business data tools, awesome sauce. If you have someone that knows how to do that, bringing stuff into your cloud providers dashboard, it's kind of like Power BI except it's cloudy. Or saving all the stuff into a database and querying it yourself. If you are a really small team, i.e. just one person, this works awesome. It's totally fine. Like protect it still but this is something that can work if there's one or two of you and you're both highly technical and know how to query a database. I've seen this work great. But I really advise against keeping things in folders, in your emails, or checking a bunch of dashboards. It's always a mess. But I suggest automating as much as humanly possible. The vulnerability management tools are built for that. You can write little scripts. I mean, we are at a hacker conference, right? So a lot of you would know how to automate this if you wanted to. But I would say that automating as much as humanly possible applies to everything in life. I have a giant garden or a small farm depending upon how you look at it. And I have all my watering automated because I'm not getting up early so I can water things. Okay, so now I briefly wanna talk about improvement. Then I'm gonna give you a couple free resources and then I'm gonna bid you a due. So improvement, think back to your program goals. Cause each of you work somewhere and I bet that there's goals where you work for your program or your job specifically and you wanna improve that.  If that person quit, we would be so screwed. You can use metrics to do this. Okay, so what I like to use metrics for, so I do consulting from time to time, besides like running my academy, cause apparently I just like to work every moment of every day. But anyway, I don't know, we all have things we like and I like keeping my tools sharp. And so whenever I start somewhere, I get all their data from all of their systems. I figure out what the top three problems are and I educate on those top three. And then I watch those top three go down. Yes, immediate renewing of your contract. Oh yeah, bug type eradication. You can't eradicate a bug if you are not measuring, right? And you need to measure each of your efforts separately to see which one's working the best. Is education working the best? Is writing unit tests to look for that working the best? Is just doing lots of scans and then finding it and throwing the bugs into the backlog working the best? What is getting you what you need? Compliance. I really wanna know if we're meeting our policies and I wanna automate it if I can. You being able to show metrics to your boss of like, we're 98% compliant with this. We have almost everyone using MFA. Very few people are doing this or that. All of these things are things your boss wants to know and hasn't asked. Are you meeting your service level agreements? Are you repeating incidents or are you finding new types of incidents? All of these things are things that you can do to improve. And so, oops, wrong. So this is a book that I really, really liked. This book got me obsessed with metrics and I already loved data. But when I read this, it was all over. My manager at Microsoft had suggested, oh, maybe if you wanna read it, I'll buy you a copy and I read it. And then I annoyed him so much about metrics from then on. He was just like, oh my gosh. Everything was metrics from that point forward. But anyway, I'm that employee where I'm like 500% every day. But then we got to nerd out about metrics together and I thought it was great. So what did we learn today? So we learned the value of metrics and using them for reporting for our bosses and improvement for us. We learned about what and how to get metrics that truly matters. And we went through a few ideas about how you can apply this information so you can get some good results. So I wanna go over some resources now, just very briefly with you because we have 25 seconds left. So here are some awesome books. I'm super biased. Obviously, I think this book is great, but also my book, my book's really great. Everyone on the planet should get a copy of Alice and Bob learn application security. But all of these books are really quite good. I also wanna tell you, I have a podcast. It's called We Have Corporal Podcast and we learn about application security and the different types of jobs that exist within information security. Every Monday on Twitter, I do cyber mentoring Monday. And if you want to find a professional mentor, this hashtag can help you. Other resources, me, I actually moved my blog. It's now at wehackpurple.com and they click on blog and then yeah, those are my blogs. So I'm moving stuff from that address that's there. And with that, I wanna say thank you so much. I wanna say thank you to everyone who watched this. I wanna say thank you to the NorthSec crew who worked so hard to make this conference truly amazing. I've been to this conference more than once and it's just, it's really, really good. So thank you. At Tumei Ami, I'm Marielle. Thank you, I'm time to thank her.


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Christmas came early for you guys down in Houston, Texas as officially Bill O'Brien has been relieved of his duties by the Houston Texans as the active working head coach slash general manager slash trainer slash staff member slash executive vice president owner why not just give that title to a punter kicker quarterback everything else in between trying to be the Bill Belchick of the Houston Texans and try to create a dynasty having all this control. Unfortunately, it did not pan out for him after an old four start being relieved of his duties by the Houston Texans him and many more coaches on the hot seat that we're going to get into in this new episode of time to football. Glad you guys are joining us. My name is Hasan Khan, the host of this show. It's another Wednesday night and it's another show that you guys are probably watching on YouTube. 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Adam Gase still has a job and bill brine doesn't but maybe that's going to be coming up for the New York Jets next on the plays to fire Adam Gase Dan Quinn of the Atlanta faculty is also on the hot seat after those two blown leads just in 2020 and it's not just the Super Bowl that he has a blown lead but there's other games in between where he's blown a lot of leads we're going to dive into that as well as well as Matt Patricia of the Detroit Lions not very well liked according to a lot of players that are former players or current players from the Detroit Lions so we're going to unpack all that big shout out first to feedspot.com for naming us as one of the top 100 NFL podcasts in the world not just competing with everybody in the United States but all across the globe with podcasts in the United Kingdom and Ireland everywhere we are ranked in the top 100 by feedspot.com and this list has established podcasts such as around the NFL which is the NFL's official podcast ESPN's NFL Live which is ESPN's official NFL podcast being ranked alongside those names is such a huge honor so thank you feedspot.com for making us or ranking us in the top 100 it would not be possible if it weren't for you the time to football faithful and all the fans before we get into the topics we have to give the most prestigious award on the show the hungriest player of the week hungriest player of the week the one that wanted it the most by the way if you guys are watching this video up on YouTube I don't mean to be a distraction by swaying back and forth so much but this chair is actually a brand new chair check it out makes a lot of noise but I promise I'll never do that again but it's awesome just swaying back and forth and not being in one solid fold up WWE chair that I was sitting in for so long but the hungriest player of the week of week four the one that wanted it the most had the best performance and overcame the odds doubted by everyone by the media by by fans saying that he lost a step saying that he wasn't a good player this guy showed up and he showed up big with the Cincinnati Bengals that's right running back Joe Mixon is your week four hungriest player of the week 25 attempts 181 total yards three total touchdowns had six receptions on top of that for you guys that play fantasy football that owned Joe Mixon you guys were like oh my gosh I'm scared I'm worried I don't know what to do I drafted this guy in the second round he's supposed to be my RB one or my RB two and he's just not producing I warned you guys to please be patient with Joe Mixon we saw this at the end at the tail end of 2019 the second half of the season first half didn't do much people had buyers remorse why did I draft this guy's second half he came on strong towards the end to where in our 2019 fantasy football time of football awards we named Joe Mixon as our most patient player award we gave him that award meaning that you have to have the most amount of patience with him and he's going to show up big and pay dividends later on in the season and the same thing was happening first four weeks what do we do Joe Mixon he sucks he's not he lost a step he's not as good as it used to be guys be patient there's another play that we're going to talk about when we answer fantasy football questions Kenyon Drake so wait around for the end of the show if you guys are a Kenyon Drake owner we're going to answer some questions revolving around him but those two guys we warned you guys that the whole entire season please be patient because that Joe Mixon game is going to come and it came against the Jacksonville Jaguars putting up over 30 points and helping the Cincinnati Bengals give Joe Burrow his first victory in the NFL and that is why Joe Mixon is your week four hungriest player of the week the hungriest player of the week has been copyrighted by Time to Football because this award was developed by us first in 2013 not the check down not the NFL no matter what they post on their Instagram I'm a little salty go back on previous episodes if you want to hear the story about that but the hungriest player is Joe Mixon not to get into the main topics for this episode of Time to Football a lot of head coaching candidates on the hot seat one after an 0 and 4 start has already been fired and that is Houston Texans head coach slash general manager slash executive vice president slash owner slash punter kicker quarterback defensive and man to tell you his girlfriend he wanted full control and it ended up biting him in the butt bill o'brien has been fired by the Houston Texans and he is no longer the active general manager or head coach of the Houston Texans instead the interim head coach for the time being is going to be their defensive coordinator Romeo Cornell who's actually a very well respected coach in the NFL whether he's a head coach or defensive coordinator but for bill o'brien what does this mean for bob cow McNair the owner for the Houston Texans who took over after his father passed away had enough of this he was like you know what we're out we're done we trusted you we want to give you full control you wanted to be the bill bell chick of the Houston Texans just build this dynasty and do all these things because you come from this bill bell chick coaching tree we trusted you we really did and even though you had some good seasons yeah you made the post seasons for a number of consecutive years you had six playoff games yeah that's that's great and all but the trades and the transactions that that you made we just don't get it we don't understand so we're moving on so bill o'brien has been relieved of his duties after putting up a 52 to 48 record which is actually kind of an even number it's kind of cool he coached 100 games so they fired him after his 100th game so congratulations on that milestone uh two and four in the post season in the playoffs and it kind of unraveled a little bit after all the transactions and all the trades and all the playoff losses that bill o'brien and the Houston Texans suffered following the I would say after 2018 going into maybe 2019 there's a lot of transactions we're going to read off a few of these the most important and the most recent that comes to everybody's minds is getting rid of Deandre Hopkins a top three wide receiver in the NFL for basically not too much and that's not discrediting David Johnson and Brandon Cooks because I think those guys are good players but bill o'brien felt like hey maybe I'm playing Madden franchise mode maybe I can get someone like Brandon Cooks get a second round pick out of Deandre Hopkins as well get David Johnson and by the way when I say Brandon Cooks they eventually use the second round picks that they got they had two second round picks and they used one of them to get Brandon Cooks from the Rams so essentially it was Deandre Hopkins for uh Brandon Cooks and David Johnson at the end of the day but maybe I could just get David or David Johnson and Brandon Cooks and I could just put up the same amount of numbers in this Madden franchise mode with Brandon Cooks as Deandre Hopkins because we all know Madden they don't use the there's no difference between using Brandon Cooks and Deandre Hopkins in the game maybe I could just do that but this is real life and Deandre Hopkins is much more talented than almost if not every single wide receiver in the NFL now there's Michael Thomas up there I know there's Julio Jones I know there's plenty of good wide receivers out there but Deandre Hopkins is definitely in the top three of that echelon and Brandon Cooks David Johnson like I said probably good players probably decent players and they've put up some good numbers so far for the Houston Texans but two inconsistent not not consistent enough to lead the Houston Texans to that post-season or that Super Bowl that Bill O'Brien wanted the team to have but following that loss against the Minnesota Vikings where they lost 31 to 23 off of a controversial touchdown pass to Will Fuller I will admit that but after losing that game Bill O'Brien stated that every transaction that he made was for the best interest for the team and a lot of people were puzzled by that statement doesn't make a lot of sense when you get rid of Hopkins for Brandon Cooks and David Johnson also if we want to look a year prior to that at the beginning of 2019 during the preseason they made another trade to acquire more players and that was Laramie Tunsel and Kenny Stills from the Miami Dolphins what they trade away first round picks two of them and a second round pick for Laramie Tunsel good offensive lineman great offensive lineman one of the best in the NFL but Kenny Stills good receiver not great not your number one for any team a good piece and a good player for you to have depth on your wide receiver depth chart but not enough to for a first round pick or two first round picks but I think the bulk of that came from from Laramie Tunsel that the Miami Dolphins if they're willing to trade Tunsel let's get the most out of Bill O'Brien and he bit on it he bit and he did it and he a lot of crazy transactions happen and you look where they're at right now yeah Tunsel has done his job still has just done his job here and there but it's just you could have used a lot more you with that capital that you had in the in the 2020 NFL draft you needed defensive line help you need help in the secondary and instead you chose to get rid of all of that and get these players I just I don't know I'm having a hard time I'm I'm trying to be you know as positive as possible because I am not a head coach slash general manager slash staff member slash executive vice president slash owner slash punter kicker quarterback and everything else in between Tori Paloma was here I'm not I'm none of those but Bill O'Brien just didn't make a lot of sense with the transactions that he made and then I think the final thing if you want to look a little bit prior to that the final transaction that I picked up on that I thought was kind of you know if he was uh Jadavion Clowney trading him away for a third round pick third round he's one of the best pass rushing players in the NFL and destructive a former number one overall pick you pick you throw him away for basically a third or third round pick you could have gotten at least one first rounder out of that you could have gotten a first rounder out of Deandre Hopkins but you chose not to do that you could have uh uh traded way less for Laramie Tunso and Kenny sales you could have but you didn't choose to go down that route and you also let Tyron Matthew walk in free agency and look at at the year that he's been having the two years that he's been having with the Kansas City Chiefs so a lot of question marks a lot of uh boneheaded decisions I want to say by the Bill O'Brien and the Houston Texans and just didn't make a lot of sense so Romeo Cornell is now going to be the interim head coach the executive vice president Jack Easterby is a name that was hired by Bill O'Brien and he made the choice to fire the general manager at that time of the Houston Texans and give control to Bill O'Brien well that guy Jack Easterby ended up being like whoa whoa whoa what are you doing we don't agree we don't see eye to eye by a lot of these transactions that you're making so I'm going to make the decision myself now I'm going to fire you so the guy that Bill O'Brien was in charge of pretty much in charge of hiring turned around and he fired him so I thought that was pretty funny but he's in charge of picking a new head coach and there's a lot of people a lot of guys that in the NFL that a lot of people are talking about that there's you know the quarterbacks coach of the Chargers with the work that he's been doing with uh Justin Herbert offensive corner of the Chiefs there's uh I believe Brian Dables the offensive corner of the bills there's a lot of teams and a lot of um coaching candidates out there for a lot of teams and uh we'll see down which route the Houston Texans will let to go to but I do believe that this move of firing Bill O'Brien was the right move for the Houston Texans because after trying to be Bill Belchick for so long listen you can only do so much and you ended up failing next up is a coach that I thought personally was going to be the first head coach fired over Bill O'Brien over anyone because there it's New York the media talks and also there's just in my eyes a lot more controversy with this coach and the New York Jets than with Bill O'Brien with the Houston Texans but he still has a job as of right now with this being week five and that is Adam Gase Adam Gase of the New York Jets has posted a 7 to 13 record as head coach of the Jets that's not the worst especially if you haven't played that many games 20 games but there's a lot of things behind it and underlying things if you look at the track record of Adam Gase and what he's done with the Miami Dolphins and people even wondering when he got hired by the the New York Jets why is this guy getting hired by the Jets maybe it was his eyes that convinced him I don't know but Adam Gase has an 0 and 4 start to this year and looks like that they're going to be one of the worst teams in the NFL if not the worst team I know the other New York team the New York Giants are competing for that spot but I believe that the Jets are much worse than the New York Giants and Adam Gase is part of the issue in my eyes so we look at the underlying and the track record of Adam Gase and what he did with the Miami Dolphins and why he has a job with the New York Jets let's actually take a little bit step backwards more than Miami Dolphins and look at the success that he had with Peyton Manning and with the Denver Broncos okay that catapulted his stock so much he got hired by the Chicago Bears one above average season by Jay Cutler was enough at that point oh man you did a great job with Peyton Manning in Denver you did a great job with Jay Cutler in Chicago let's give you a head coaching job and at that time it didn't seem like a bad decision to give a head coaching job to Adam Gase for the Miami Dolphins but then after his tenure with the Miami Dolphins after those three or four seasons I believe it was with the Dolphins having one playoff appearance I'll give him credit to that not doing much after that gets hired by the New York Jets then we look at the players that he coached with the Miami Dolphins and why he didn't turn out well and they go on to have successful seasons either with a different team or with the same team and you start to wonder with yourself is Adam Gase to blame for the lack of success with Miami a lot of examples that we can talk about seven I I came up with that we can talk about let's talk about him first the quarterback the most memorable Ryan Tannehill had his best season as Miami Dolphin his sophomore season 27 touchdowns 1200 receptions with Joe Philbin his best years in Miami were with Joe Philbin with Adam Gase didn't do much to the point that we're like ah let's just move on with him not a quarterback of the future goes on to Tennessee and he proves and he shows like hey nothing's wrong with me I'm a top 10 pick in the 2012 NFL draft and look at the success that I'm having with Tennessee leading this team to the AFC Championship after taking over after four games from Marcus Mariota in the 2019 season so Ryan Tannehill is one example that went off to have success out of the control of Adam Gase Kenyon Drake another player that just got traded to Arizona and the last half of 2019 and just exploded was one of the better running backs in the NFL in the last half of the 2019 season he was never seen as a bell cow back by Adam Gase and right now you could debate okay well Cliff Kingsbury he's giving Chase Edmonds some carries and yeah Drake just isn't really doing that well right now but at least he puts trust in him at least he sees him as a three down back like a lot of people did when he was in over he was over in Alabama he had to split carries when he was in Alabama but people saw him as a potential and the potential that he had as being an early pick in the second or third round I believe in the draft by the Miami Dolphins oh this is the next uh running back in the future for the Dolphins let's trade away Jai Jai and let's give the the reins to Kenyon Drake never happened had he took he took advantage of most of the opportunities that he had but it was never given the full reins to be the lead bell cow back of the Miami Dolphins goes on to Arizona explodes just one of those examples that does well after uh leaving the brains of Adam Gase another example is Devonte Parker okay so I dived a little bit deeper into this and what was kind of the uh the beef that was going on with Adam Gase and Devonte Parker I read a report like a year or two ago saying that Adam Gase thinks that Devonte Parker is soft I don't know how true that is but I dived a little bit deeper in that and what I found was in October of 2018 during the 2018 NFL season there was a game against Detroit where Devonte Parker was healthy he was fully healthy this is all according to his agent uh Jimmy Gold he believes that he was fully healthy and I'm gonna pull up the quote right here but said that he was fully healthy still Adam Gase made him inactive and decided not to ride with Devonte Parker and instead trusted the likes of Albert Wilson and Danny Amondola to be their lead receivers in this game against Detroit when Devonte Parker could have made a much bigger impact so I'm gonna go ahead and show the quote real quick by this uh by Jimmy Gold this is the agent of Devonte Parker and this is in response to Adam Gase choosing and electing to have Devonte Parker inactive in that game against Detroit he says no I haven't but I find the decision to make Devonte inactive today by coach Gaze Gaze with a Z not S maybe that's in that's foreshadowing this is 2018 at that time so maybe it's foreshadowing the press conference that I had with the jets with the the wide eyes looked that he had with coach Gaze incompetent and insulting Gold said in the statement obtained by Palacero it's also just not true and I'm sick of hearing him say my player is not healthy this is the third game this year that Devonte should have played and when you can include the Jets and New England Devonte is healthy and with injuries and the Dolphins 6.1 yards per carry this is how many yards per carry that they had in the game against Detroit uh with Amondola and Wilson Devonte could have and should have been allowed to contribute what a horrific decision by coach Gaze again the Gaze and he needs to take a very long look in the mirror and make himself inactive that's actually pretty funny make himself inactive wow that's uh that was actually pretty smart and a good burn by uh Jimmy Gold so that's kind of the beef with Devonte Parker and Adam Gaze what happens after that Adam Gaze gets fired Devonte Parker has an amazing season with 1200 yards receiving under the reins of Brian Flores a new head coach because they use him like the way that he should have been used this whole entire time you got a guy that is maybe not as talented as Julio Jones but physically he is built like Julio Jones a big guy 6'3 215 pounds fast as heck a beast can win 50-50 balls they they chose and elected not to use him that way instead more so a slot receiver and Adam Gaze he he just failed to use Devonte Parker the right way and Devonte Parker goes on to have a successful season so that's just another example of a player that does well outside of Adam Gaze Mike Gasicki Mike Goat Sicki the fan favorite of Time to Football host Hassan Khan 2018 being drafted arguably the best hyden in that NFL draft a big red zone target you chose not to use him in the red zone instead you had Dwayne Allen and Durham Smythe as starting tight ends over Mike Gasicki goes on to lead all tight ends and red zone targets so far in 2020 big athletic having to break out season 6'6 250 pounds and led all tight ends in the 40-yard dash in 2018 another example that's doing well outside of Adam Gaze then you want to talk about the Jets let's talk about another Jets player let's talk about Robbie Anderson Anderson was with the Jets in 2019 didn't do much was inconsistent goes on to have a successful season with Carolina so far as we know the trusted target and the number one target for Teddy Bridgewater over DJ Moore of all people so Robbie Anderson is another example this worries me with Adam Gaze and I believe that he needs to leave New York pretty quick because if you look at the players that he has right now two examples that are really good but I fear for them and their future and one of them is just starting out and one of them is maybe so towards the tail end of his prime but still has maybe one or two years left that he can be productive Sam Darnold and Levy on Bell Darnold we all know about him we all know how talented he is and he was the right choice at the time by Todd Bowles and the New York Jets organization to be the quarterback of the New York Jets talented as heck arguably the best quarterback in that 2018 draft at that time now we know that Josh Allen is having a successful season than Sam Darnold but do we say that because he was with the New York Jets and he just doesn't have the right pieces around him I mean when your number one receiver is Jameson Crowder good guy great guy great slot receiver great guy that you can check down the ball to PPR machine but he's not that one-on-one player that big B63 250 pounds belt like Julio Guy that you'd want I know that they drafted Denzel Mims but he's been hurt so Adam Gaze people are fearing that they're wasting the talent that he has because because if you've seen some of the throws that Sam Darnold has made wonderful they've been dots they've been bullets they've been on a rope great player wasting his talent with New York Levy on Bell like we mentioned towards the end of his prime and he's not the same player that he was in Pittsburgh but you signed him for this big contract to be this productive player and he's not producing and maybe that is because of Adam Gaze maybe that is because he didn't use him as much as he wanted to or as much as people expected to in 2019 maybe that is because you love Frank Gore so much that you signed him with the New York Jets that you signed him with the Miami Dolphins and you dipped into the production of Kenny and Drake you dip into the production of Levy on Bell and you chose to go down that route instead of making Levy on Bell the three down bell cow back that he's designed to be so Adam Gaze a lot of issues with them a lot of issues and the offensive guru genius label that he has I don't understand it it's just a lingering concept and a lingering title that he's had since his days with Peyton Manning and it's got to go we've got to see Adam Gaze as it truly is we've seen him with the Miami Dolphins we've seen him with the New York Jets we've seen his true colors and it is not the right fit so Adam Gaze has got to get out of there of New York the next head coach that we want to talk about man something about advocating for people's jobs to be lost just gets me fired up I mean just look at these pit stains that I have on my shirt I don't know if you guys can see or not but it just gets me rallied up it gets me heated and this next one is definitely going to get me heated because I as a Falcons fan am in a crisis I love Dan Quinn DQ as a person but as a coach man as a coach oh my gosh I say it's time to go just me personally just look at the the the coaching that he's been or the positions that he's been putting the Falcons in for the past five years that he's been with the Atlanta Falcons he puts us in positions to win and that's it and then anything after that is free game we lose after that we blow the lead and I wanted to really dive into this because is this a Dan Quinn issue or is it just luck of the draw coincidence just so happens that we blow a 25 point lead against the Patriots in the Super Bowl blow a lead against Chicago 16 point lead we blow lead against the Dallas Cowboys is this a reoccurring issue or is it just coincidence so I want to do a little bit of research and I found that pro football reference a very well respected site credible gives any stats NFL related almost everything they have the 50 biggest blown leads by the Atlanta Falcons on there I think that's a dig to Atlanta but they decided to create a whole entire page about it and I believe you can find any other teams as well so the Patriots and Dolphins and any other team in the NFL 50 biggest blown leads by the by an organization and I found the Atlanta Falcons I'm gonna throw it up on the screen and I wanted to see how many blown leads did Dan Quinn blow in his tenure with the Atlanta Falcons so if we pull it up pull up the graphic right here so the most recent blown leads obviously we know about the Chicago Bears we know about the Dallas Cowboys that happened in 2020 that was a 60 point lead by the Bears a 20 point lead by the Cowboys that was blown then you look back even further you've got 2017 a couple games of 2017 this is post Super Bowl this is just fresh from the Super Bowl by the way so we Atlanta fans we're triggered okay we are triggered we don't want to see another blown lead but it happens in 2017 against the Carolina Panthers we blew a 10 point lead against the Miami Dolphins in 2017 a 17 point blown lead and then obviously yeah the the Super Bowl which is the most memorable that was a 25 point lead that was blown and then before that I remember this game too San Diego Chargers in 2016 30 to 33 was a final score we blew a 17 point lead I remember that game and then against the Colts in 2015 we blew 14 point lead so you look at these most recent blown leads by the Atlanta Falcons granted in 2018 and 2019 there's no record of that but this is a reoccurring issue of Dan Quinn the defense is not that good I understand the offense is fantastic but misses some pieces here and there the offensive line has been bad for so uh for so long you can do so much with the defense with the offense and even though it may not be the best roster this roster that they have is at least good enough I would say to go maybe seven and nine eight and eight maybe compete for a playoff spot maybe nine and seven who knows at the very least but somehow someway oh and four should be two and two but it's oh and four so at this point Dan Quinn and like I mentioned Thomas Dimitrov the general manager they're on the hot seat and Dimitrov has been on the hot seat for the last five ten years ever since his days with Mike Smith but Dan Quinn he's 43 to 41 that's his record in the tenure that he's been with the Atlanta Falcons only two winning seasons in the last five years and this will be another losing season so two winning seasons in six years the Super Bowl started it the Super Bowl started his decline and that was the one window in the 2016 season that you had to win a Super Bowl that you had roster good enough to win the Super Bowl and then the Mercedes Benz Stadium opens up okay well maybe the 2017 season you're still in that window you still have plenty of the of the same players you can still win even though you lost Kyle Shanahan you could still win and after blowing whatever it was against the Philadelphia Eagles and the playoffs and just costing that game and not winning it that's when the window just kind of fizzled out and now they're in a real rebuilding process you gotta start all over if you want to get back to the Super Bowl so these blown leads are coaching issues whether it be Kyle Shanahan we know we talked about him earlier in a previous episode blowing the lead with the Atlanta Falcons and the Super Bowl but also blowing the lead with the San Francisco 49ers this could also be a dirt cutter they're offensive coordinator right now but this is just all coaching whether it be a staff thing you need to get rid of offensive coordinators and head coaches I believe at this point you got to get rid of the head coach you got to move on from Dan Quinn even though the players love them even though in 2019 they rallied in the second half after starting one is seven and I'm finishing that season seven and nine at this point you got to move on with Dan Quinn the final head coach that we want to talk about is not under the same kind of pressure and fire or media coverage from a lot of people as in maybe Adam Gase or Dan Quinn or Bill O'Brien but Matt Patricia is a candidate to be in the hot seat and to lose his job in 2020 mainly because of the lack of success that he's been having since he took over in 2018 10 wins 25 losses and only or one tie so only 10 wins in his 10 years since 2018 but also because of the post game comments oh my gosh that he made after his game with the New Orleans Saints he stated after talking about or talking about how you can turn this team around and talking about the loss he talked about how this team in the situation that he's in was inherited when he stepped in in 2018 talked about how he had a lot of work to do and he still has a lot of work to do because of the situation that he picked up when he stepped in as the head coach a lot of players a lot of fans did not like that we're not fond of that because that means that you're finger pointing you're putting the blame on someone else saying hey you you're the one at fault for this and it's nothing to do with me I'm trying to help I'm trying to do my job I'm trying to turn this team around but you did such a crappy job before me that it's all your fault you know how like a republican president takes over for a democratic president or if a democratic president takes over for a republican president and they end up there's some controversy or they end up not doing that good of a job as a president then they're gonna say hey listen look at the president before me look at the situation that I inherited it's all their fault they're the ones to blame and that's the exact same thing that Matt Patricia is doing as a head coach of the Detroit Lions Dan Orlovsky the quarterback of the Detroit Lions from 2005 to 2008 and then again I believe in 2014 through 2015 or 2016 I believe has been playing in the NFL since 2005 since he was drafted by the Lions in the fifth round if you don't if you're not familiar with Dan Orlovsky just type in Dan Orlovsky safety 2008 then you'll remember but Dan Orlovsky is now an ESPN analyst and a host and he does a fantastic job love Dan Orlovsky love his inside of the game and he's very knowledgeable but he was talking about Matt Patricia and he's talking about the Detroit Lions and he was in that in a second tenure with the Lions he was involved with Jim Caldwell and Caldwell as the head coach of the Detroit Lions taken over for Jim Schwartz in that time era was really really good for the Lions given the situation that they were in given Detroit Lions standards you want to talk about his record he was 11 and 5 as his first year as a head coach develop one of the best defenses in the NFL in the Detroit Lions then he starts off not so hot one and seven just like Dan Quinn in 2019 same situation the players like to rally around him he's a good leader and so they want to play for him and he ended up finishing the season seven and nine and essentially saving his job with the Detroit Lions then the season after after that his third season he went nine and seven and then the season after that he was nine and seven as well had a couple of playoff appearances as well but he lost in the first round so we really didn't get far in that case but at that point they fired him because they were like nine and seven is not that good I mean it's an above average record but he failed to beat better teams in the NFL so given that his team the Detroit Lions Jim Caldwell's Detroit Lions were nine and seven a nine and seven franchise that you took over Matt Patricia and you're saying that you inherited a bad situation Matthew Stafford was playing his best football some of his best football in that era when he was with Jim Caldwell he's had proven success he's coached and a Super Bowl Caldwell has for the Indianapolis Colts in 2009 and you're saying that you were in a bad situation when you took over for the Detroit the Detroit Lions so that irked Dan Orlovsky because he was in that locker room he knew that Jim Caldwell was a good coach and he said that players played for him because he was a good leader and they wanted the best he wanted the best out of his players and Orlovsky said listen Matt Patricia you have no idea what you're talking about so that or Tim Glover Quinn is a familiar name if you're a Detroit Lions fans a defensive back very good defensive back at that point was upset with the comments that Matt Patricia made of the Detroit Lions inheriting a bad situation so Patricia at this point oh my gosh 10 wins 25 losses that's in itself is not good enough to be a head coach in the NFL to continue to be a head coach it's not like you're you're in your first season or your second season you're still kind of developing and you sound a big long contract but at this point after the comments that they made it's time for the Lions to move on from Matt Patricia Patriots coaches I don't know what it is coordinators defensive coordinators offensive coordinators somehow some way they end up not doing so well in the NFL we talked about Bill O'Brien earlier Josh McDaniels is another example and Matt Patricia is in is the most recent example of that as well so Patricia for the Detroit the Detroit Lions not a good fit time for the Lions to move on and find a new head coach now we're going to get into the part of the show where we answer fantasy football questions because you guys are wonderful and leaving your comments and your questions and those starts and sets of videos that we have every single Tuesday you guys are the lifeline of this channel so I want to do my part in rewarding you guys and getting back to you guys and interacting with all of y'all and making this more of like a conversation than more so than me being better than you and you just watching me so I'm going to try my best to respond to these questions I picked out a few of these so if you guys see your questions you know this is going to be very helpful to you but if you also are an owner of one of these players that we're going to be talking about pay close attention because this could help you guys out as well by the way these comments were derived from youtube comments from those starts and sets of videos have you guys noticed or is it just me that there are a lot of bots a lot of spam in the comments I mean I just look on there because I was trying to pick out comments for this video and notice there was a lot of Asian bots in the comment section and I'm I don't mean to attach a race to these bots and these this spam that I've been getting but the facts are facts they're Asian that's just what they are so I've been doing my absolute best to respond to these spam comments and these bots and saying like oh you know my hot brunette wife could beat you up and like reporting them and blocking them but hey if if you want to help you can report them as spam as well and maybe that'll clean up the comment section a bit and a lot more people can just feel comfortable leaving their comments and it's not going to get overlooked because the spam is really taken over honestly and it's really hard to answer these questions with all the spam going on so please report those Asian bots let's get rid of them now for fancy football questions this first question that we have from youtuber under estimation with an x and seven o this sounds like an odd question but stark kyler or bridgewater listen man there is no such thing as an odd question of fancy football because you you really don't know what's going to happen luck is luck okay you could start Kyler Murray what you expect to be a very good quarterback just totally flop against a bad defense like the new york jets it just happens it happens to fancy football so no such thing as an odd question of fancy football but who i who would i take Kyler Murray against the jets or teddy bridge water against the falcons i would put my faith and all my trust into kyler Murray against the jets listen this guy i know that kyler Murray has kind of faulted sometimes you know passing wise he may not be the best currently in the last two games against the lions and the panthers but his rushing ability and trying to keep the carnals in the game it's all that you need so against a bad defense like the jets i would put your trust in kyler Murray because this guy is up there in the tier of dak prescott russel wilson lamar jackson patching my homes he's probably number five uh for me maybe josh alan is is higher than him but probably kyler Murray is teetering towards that top five fantasy football quarterback so i would start kyler Murray over teddy bridgewater regardless of how good of a matchup bridgewater has this next one from kev yog how can you recommend baker mayfield in one video and turn around and say that he will be a bust okay so the Tuesday morning every Tuesday morning we we come out with uh our waiver wire pickups and we talked about baker mayfield how he is the ad of the week for quarterbacks then we turn around and say that he is the bust of the week for quarterbacks for week five when i make those videos about ads and drops that's not so much for streaming just for that week because that's for starts and sits okay if you want to know who to start and sit go to the start and sit video but if you want to know who to add and who to drop to make your team better for the long run then you watch that video and then you'll see that baker mayfield is on that list because i know this matchup against occult is bad in week five but you look at his i believe his next five matchups after that he's facing the bangles he's facing the texans this is in no order but the bangles the texans the jaguars the raiders uh i believe pittsburgh is in there as well which may be kind of tough but pittsburgh you'd be surprised isn't that isn't too bad of a matchup for a quarterback so uh that's why i recommend adding baker mayfield as a good backup and if your starting quarterback has a buy in the next five six games and he has one of those good matchups coming up start baker mayfield but as far as starting him this week he's the bust of the week against the colts i i don't know whether the colts defense is really good or they've just been facing really bad teams or if the browns are really good or they've just been facing really bad teams uh bad defenses at least but we're going to find out with our answer and it's better to be safe than starry and just bench baker mayfield but i would add him for the long run as your backup quarterback this next one is from x s e p picks i just gave up in my youtuber name i don't know i got the kicker in the defense of the colts and they performed well should i swap them this week or hold on because the matchup is hard for them now i would appreciate an answer and advice from you the colts kicker rodrigo blanket ship dude is the most underrated pickup and fantasy football when it comes to the kicker position him and jason mires if those guys are still available and you're riding with guys that you because you just don't care about the kicker position you're like ah kickers aren't football players we don't care about it we don't care about them in fantasy football if you're riding with the likes of uh people that you drafted like chris boswell or jake elliott and people like that i would highly recommend that you draft or you pick up jason mires or rodrigo blanket ship well over any of those guys he's going to be a top 10 if dare i say top five fantasy kicker at the end of the 2020 season respect the specs baby uj is fine is rodrigo blanket ship is an every start for me at this point every single week so i would start rodrigo blanket ship against the cleveland browns as far as the colts defense whenever i don't mention a a defense as i start or say in one of those videos yeah they could be more so a start i just didn't have enough room for them in that video or a sit but i believe most of the time when i mention or don't mention a player to be start or sit it's mainly because they are going to be nothing more than average and i believe that's going to happen with the colts a colts uh defense that is very good it has been proven to be good for the past few weeks but a browns offense that has really stepped it up and scored more than 30 points in the last three games so i would go ahead and just sit the colts if you can if you don't have any other option because the bill's defense the colt uh the chiefs defense the titans defense that can we just talk about the first act the patriots defense as well i didn't have a chance to talk about covid earlier but dude covid is going to mess up this week of fantasy football man i'm worried man i'm worried i own bill's players i own titans players chiefs players this game is probably not going to be happening with the bills and the titans at this point it seems like but man oh man oh man i i i feel for you guys too listen i'm in the same boat okay i've had multiple injuries happen to me you know and the injury apocalypse that happened in week one week two uh with sequan barkley getting hurt levy on bell got hurt for me as well tevin colman for me got hurt debo samiel got hurt uh just so many injuries happen and then now you have this covid stuff happening with uh i got cori davis i've got devin singletary i've got staphon digs i picked up the chiefs defense i have the bill's defense it's just harrison butger it's a mess man i i just i feel for you guys if you're in the same situation as me because i don't know what i'm going to do but the bright side of this though is that this is going to be a bye week for some of these players so in the future when other people have players on a buy your players are going to be playing so that is something to look forward to but for this week you got it out man we're got the waivers so if the colts are your only option at this point start the colts man start the colts it's not going to hurt you next one j will lol i ain't touching drake idc i don't care who he plays hey i i feel you bro i feel you i talked about this with joe mixin when i talked about the hungriest player of the week i talked about joe mixin and kenny and drake for the past two weeks the two players that you have to be the most patient with because they're both in the same position joe mixin uh was top five in touches and attempts uh out of all running backs and kenny drake i believe he's up there i believe he's seventh in the nfl right now and carries for running backs you just gotta be patient the matchup has to be right and something just has to click with that arizona offense that's what happened with sissy natty they were just losing games they were just putting in geov giovanni bernard too much too much too many times taking too many snaps and then eventually the bangles had that match up right in the in the eyes of joe mixin it was perfect that run defense is the perfect defense to run against to have to a breakout game and this jets defense is the best defense to have that breakout game as well with kenny drake i listed him as a sleeper of the week because a lot of people are losing hope with them with kenny drake but be patient just like joe mixin be patient at least for the next couple weeks and then after a couple weeks if he's still the same kenny drake move on with them trade him away uh drop him if you really have to but give it two weeks and i i if i was a kenny drake owner i would start him this week against the new york jets next one from alissa lou can someone tell me why is la ve on bell a must start i have him and find it so hard to trust him i have damian harris melvin gordon david johnson josh will kelly and eckler okay so let me uh clarify this those players that you have i would start most of those players over la ve on bell i would at least start david johnson this week and josh kelly over la ve on bell bell so far has not even been activated from ir we expect him to be activated from ir oh my gosh i hope man because my fantasy team is with this covid stuff i need la ve on bell so bad uh but we expect him to be activated off of ir and this matchup against arizona is the perfect matchup to start la ve on bell here's a stat that uh is it my clay is that the espn analyst for fantasy football this is a stat that he picked up on in week one with the jets before he got hurt in the first five minutes of the third quarter la ve on bell for that game against the bills was in on 100% of snaps didn't get 100% of the carries okay because they gave a couple different gore while bell was healthy but he was in on 100% of the snaps dude that tells me that bell is going to be utilized by adam gase gase a guy that has nothing to lose has this stigma of not using his players properly has gotten controversial comments before about la ve on bell not using him properly and not using him as a three down back nothing to lose you want to see your job just let la ve on bell lose so that's why i believe that bell against a good matchup with the car nose getting 100% of snaps is going to be a great play against the car nose however i would start david johnson and josh kelly personally over la ve on bell but as far as damien harris or melvin gordon i kind of explain melvin gordon that starts and sets a video but with damien harris especially it's too early to really pick up on uh is he going to be a good productive back for the patriots every single week i would choose bell over those two uh this last one let's do one more as from pranesh daniel would you start the arizona car nose or the kansas city chiefs dude i would start the chiefs but i just talked about coven man i talked about coven i i i really don't know i to be honest with you so if we talk about the chiefs and the car nose and the reason i'm talking about coven is because the raiders actually had a player with tested positive wednesday morning uh so that chiefs and raiders game might be in jeopardy he may just need to be quarantined if there's no more positive tests but the car nose and the chiefs if we're just talking about a football perspective if both teams are going to play i would start the chiefs because they have i believe six sacks in the last three games and uh the the raiders have given up seven sacks in that timespan as well as well as six turnovers caused by the raiders offense and the chiefs picked up six turnovers as well so the chiefs have a good matchup against las vegas a team that is kind of lost offensively without their top wide out and henry rugs for the car nose yeah i like him but i just talked about levy on bell and i talked about how this team could this run defense is kind of sketch and giving up a lot of fancy points to the likes of like mike davis and other running backs that they face so i would start levy on bell uh against car nose and that could be the downfall uh for the car nose as well though if the chiefs don't play then the car nose would be a fine play as well oh my gosh there's just a lot of headaches going on with uh everything going on with the injuries and covid and i don't know we're gonna have to find out and see what happens so stay updated with all of those news that's pretty much going to do it for this week's episode of time to football again if you guys are watching this video up on youtube we appreciate 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