luding children because of her own personal goal Which is killing vader because he did exactly the same thing I can't believe I'm saying this but I think it makes more sense for anakin to think I need to kill these children to Erase the jedi and gain and learn about all the powers to be able to save padme as opposed to I gotta kill these children so that I can get closer to vader to be able to kill him When she's close to him like several times in the show before now And if you said like yes, but she's waiting for the perfect moment It's like perfect moment. She's had this moment several times. I don't understand. It's not getting the perfect moment Yeah, and it was clearly the perfect moment would have been when both her and obi one were there When he was trying to pull the ship down would be the a really good moment. Yeah, you're right That would be the perfect moment Really, which you know what rags it's just convenient that she doesn't have that opportunity to attack him because She should have been right behind him. There's no reason for her not to be absolutely It's just one of those gaps. We just have to create for reasons. Yeah, seriously like jeez Watching vader do that. I immediately thought of when he's watching the millenium falcon fly away from him in hearth And it's like if this is 10 years later and a lot of force users get more powerful the older they are You're telling me he was just like well that goes to falcon. Yeah, so like that was a really viscerally satisfying scene is in like I enjoyed a sensation in me that that scene caused of like Man, this is just I can just feel the raw power. I hated everything that was happening Yeah, maybe it was like a satisfaction and watching it being done Which I would love to see in a way that Didn't ruin stuff because um people are probably gonna bring up It's like star killer did this to a to a star destroyer and it's like, yeah, that was a bit extreme too That wasn't it like in force force unleashed and it's just like I think I'm on board with the idea of making it So that vader had the power to do this but we can't because of empire. It's it's too late They've locked that out You can't have him with the ability to do that and that means you can't really have the ability to do that for anybody Because vader's supposed to be one of the most powerful force users ever So yeah, it really is kind of it's that sequel thing seeping in of the force is just a it's a cure-all for any kind of plot Need that you want it to do it can do this now can do that force healing force pull a ship force random lightning Whatever you need the plot for you just have that magic force that you could just use for whatever Well, I'll go as far as saying as well This is probably a moment people are citing is why this episode is so fucking awesome But it won't age like the rogue one scene and one of the big reasons I think if you guys look at it again doesn't look very good Um, no backgrounds look completely fake the CGI is clearly like it's okay After the fight was in a tunnel a dirt tunnel. Yeah, and it's so arbitrary and then claustrophobic And when more people talk about like, yeah, why didn't he do this to my name falcon? It's gonna it's gonna start being like, hmm I don't think I don't think people really get any care about that as much though. Some people do They won't even think about it. I think most people won't think about it. Some people will care and if you care Then it's like so which one gets sacrificed empire or obi-wan kadovis show Like at that point which one's taking the floor Are we supposed to believe if you can see in the background through the mist Is that the ship that everyone is actually on and this is a decoy ship who was flying it? I don't know The loader Did he not sense all of the life that was on the other ship there and if you just do me a favor and Is is that what we're supposed to believe? Is there a ship in the background day? Or is that nothing else? Maybe one mentor I think it has to be it has to be otherwise it it wasn't here And that would be insane that like this went through all of the processes for post production And like that was just not noticed that has to be it Think this it's like right next to the ship when it launches. I don't think logistically that can make any sense Here's something that's worth thinking about if he tears down the ship. What if he throws it at you? What if after you fly off? He just does the same thing to your ship. You're right. Yeah Why didn't he just do the exact same thing? And by the way But that's a knock against him for intelligence If you're telling me he can why do they do this in this show so much the seconds after establishing a power They forget they have that who started the ship who flew the ship metal. I don't know Um the loader droid I think and I can't believe we're having this conversation like this should never be the reality of your story But I think we're supposed to assume there was a ship back there They were all hiding in and this one was literally launched to be like lel They'll think this is us and they'll attack this and then we will go like they don't launch at the same time They wait until this one gets grounded Or and this is this is a hail mary. I don't think this is what we're supposed to think We're supposed to believe like it came out of this ship the smaller one because if you remember This is the ship that smaller ship docked on right or is it not? That was my immediate thought when I saw it is that it looked like it came out of it But that's just if you look at it that is not what's happening in this scene. Like it's behind it And then with uh how it looked when it first happened. I was like, oh, is it inside it? Oh, no, it's he should have grabbed the other ship. Yeah So that scene was really done. I forgot that he could do that I'm so glad that the the fake jedi guy dropped the thing so that the final episode can happen Also, you saw that bail sent that message in the first place. Yeah, it's all it's all it's all broken and uh I've noticed that um re-speature I think would have been fine for me if it were one or two lines Have you noticed how all of his lines are delivered in what can only be described as the same way The grand inquisitor means nothing you have done well And I guess what I mean by that is like kanobi is all that matters Kanobi is all that matters now. We must go here prove yourself. It is not them We need to break You will become the grand inquisitor. You might be like, well, what's what's the problem? It's like, okay, some of his most famous and quoted lines from the ot I'm assuming you guys remember but the thing about vader is he fucks with words all the time in super interesting ways You have failed me for the last time Where are those transmissions? You were deceptive. What have you done with those plans if he could be turned He would become a powerful ally that imply a level of um character behind them.  The force is with you young skywalker But you are not a jedi yet It's just like who that that stings a little more. That's interesting Meanwhile, if it was done with re-speecher, he would be like, but you are not a jedi yet. I am not interested in It's like in the one we saw the skinwalker luke in that episode of boba fat. Really? That's all you got. Let me help you or he just yes everything is so flat and tonally neutral And just devoid of humanity. What should I do about him?  I've accepted the truth that you will once Anakin skywalker my father. Would you like to remember? Can't believe he's gone You will find balance as well get back up. I didn't hear you give any ideas always get back up Yes, and it's it. Yeah, it's like we're like skinwalker waiter. You are free to use any methods necessary But I want them alive No disintegrations Bring him to me. You don't know the power of the dark side I must obey my master You are of no further use.  I will bring him in myself When you get told as a machine to say apology accepted captain nida That's what it will say But if you get told that as a voice actor who's as talented as jamesville jones, he'll say apology accepted captain nida And it sounds way better and uh, you'd get old vader in rogue one and that's true It's a little bit. It's like oh, he's not he's not quite that but if you compare the rogue one deliveries He's still got it. There's a great many things to attend to my apologies You do have a great many things to explain be careful not to choke on your aspirations director like that This is respeacher. They'll be like be careful not to choke on your aspirations director We leave for job beam at once if you only knew the power of the dark side We're suggesting that this is done with respeacher.  We were all like when we first heard it We were like, okay That does sound like person the more you hear the lines than the more you compare with the old ones You're like, oh, it's missing the punch of a human. There's no human in there Even though i'm pretty sure the process for it is that it processes a bunch of human lines Or it takes a human's delivery and then Turns it into the speech of the the patterns that we recognize But there is an element missing and it's become incredibly obvious every time you listen to vader in any scene now He sounds lame For them are strong especially for sister Did you really believe I did not see it? Or be one was wise to hide her from me Now his failure is complete Accurate lame not just hire james l jones.  We have this re-speech program. Just use that People don't care. Look what they did with luke.  Always get up. Always get back up Always get back up Dopp I'm not gonna say like the feeling of time that passes is like super off How much time passes in this episode passes how much how much distance is between the planets We get obi-wan escaping in the beginning Then we see riva telling vader that there's a tracker and where they are and they start to go Towards jabim after that we see obi-wan arrive at jabim After that we get a different scene with vader where they say oh lock them in Then we see the base getting locked in and then They say the star destroyer has arrived and that's in like five six minutes And I was like when did this all happen? How long have they been here hours? They didn't address the star destroyer either.   There's so much military on that But you know what I'm saying is they just say is like this happens happens happens happens But don't really show us how much time has passed They just stitch the scenes together and it's like okay. We're here now Now we can have our scenes here because apparently everything is just super close together where they are Even though we want apparently from what I see and understand from the episode They're like way ahead because if riva first has to go to to vader star destroyer Tell him and then they start and while they're on their way. They lock them in as like, okay So I guess when between that that scene and them arriving there hours have passed for some reason I don't know. It's just hard for me to understand where we are time-wise or how much time has passed And how fast people are it's just really weird So try and picture this because I have no idea how any of this makes any sense And this is part of the destruction of Darth Vader as far as I'm concerned He went into the temple. He killed a bunch of kids One of them played dead until she finally crawled out of the pile of bodies to become a sith inquisitor How does that make any sense in terms of everyone would know where she came from or who she is, right? It would be all on record. So she thinks she tricks everybody into thinking she's not a youngling So how why and then vader's like, I didn't know you were a youngling this whole time And we were using your rage to help.  What is that like you're so cocky Like ha ha we used your rage and say I nearly killed you I could have I just didn't apparently realize you're two stomachs Well, here's the thing. How long did he know all of this because what was his plan to just like You know what I'll just have her around to maybe lure everyone out.   What these people actually not know what is contained within a human stomach It feels that way because this is the third instance in this show of somebody being stabbed in the gut and surviving It's insane. Not only surviving but becoming very more of a gutting a lot of um strength and jumping around and doing lightsaber stuff too The result of a gut wound is incredibly variable Of course, but the problem is like it's a lightsaber It's a at least with a knife It might not uh take out at like like a lightsaber goes right through and burns and singes everything Like it's what a lightsaber does when you get stabbed in the gut Qui-Gon got stabbed in the problem with sight in that is people be like, oh, yes The same scene where someone is chopped in half and survives. Haha. Sure, but that do have a problem with that.  Yes We think that's um if you you're bringing up the same dumb things that we would also bring up Anyone surviving anything now can be justified with well palpatine survived. Yeah, so please Join us on the team of drawing a line. The stormtrooper in 1977 bumped his tad. Yeah, he survived that Maybe Look at this guy who survived being stabbed because he wanted revenge You person that we literally recruited for revenge. I'll stab you leave you here alive It's it's so absurd when you actually stop for two seconds and think about what's happening here I've now it what are they smoking when they're writing these Well, so I think this is such a clear example of you can see what they're trying because in this situation That's like, okay So reva probably would have died from that wound and if she didn't Darth Vader or the stormtroopers or the grand inquisitor would have killed her But we can't have her die and it's like she or or rather when you're watching it Oh, but she's not dead. There must be a reason why Narratively it's like, ah, remember when Dinesh dropped the uh, the little thing the little transmission remember that bail even did that despite how perilous it was Ah, it all makes the world bends to facilitate the story that they want That might be one of the greatest assassinations in the show so far Yeah, maybe he would say in the recording. I'm worried that you've been like captured or I'm sending this message to tell you I will take care of the boy on Tatooine. Hopefully they don't discover the children It's like, why would you do this? You couldn't even be vague Bail is just that's not even he escapes. No, it's not Bail hasn't escaped. Bail is done. He's finished It's he was dumb in the first episode and he was dumb in the second episode And now they've just the this the little chef's kiss with a cream on the top with a cherry on the Cake layer, whatever the ice cream on the ala mode It's it's done. It's finished. Bail's ruined Bail's thoroughly ruined and it's what's so weird Is that he was already such a kind of a minor character. Yeah, you didn't need to do anything to it was so tiny He was important story wise But he had such a small presence in these movies and they still found a way To drag him kicking and screaming out of his position of safety and ruin him Who if they not brought back yet like oh, there's still plenty Jha-jha yeah Qui-gon good time which by the way, it'd be like I said, it'd be really funny if they actually don't bring in kwigan I think they will The force goes I'm memeing with you for the fact that you have said almost every episode. These definitely covered it It's just like it would be funny if they did because of all of the predictions. You've already with just leave him alone I know what you're gonna do and it's not gonna get much worse.  Yeah, cuz he needs another. He does need another. He needs another pep talk. He's not resolved yet. He's doing one more episode. He's been inspired by Leia in episode two with some of the lines she gave him. Probably even more to come from her. Then he's been inspired by, I forget her name, Lala... Lady. Lala? Leila? Leila? Leila! That's like the song. It makes me think of his song, Leila. Rumbau. She gave him an inspirational little thing before she died heroically. That was... That was a... That was an easy prediction, apparently. Yeah, yeah. When will Kenobi get to do something that's more so about his agency? Cuz, well, that's not a really dumb decision. I'm just waiting. Maybe one day. Here's a pitch, right? Because we've got a problem right now. Which is the... Riva's told us, I was stabbed along with all my friends. I laid down. I was dead. And then I eventually just joined up with the Sith inquisitors and started doing everything they told me to do to hopefully get close enough to Vader to kill him.   Have Kenobi say, do you have any idea where I was or what I was doing? I barely survived Order 66. Why? My lizard bit it. It was a really sad day for me. Cuz I want to clarify quickly... Why didn't you take time to hate him? Wait, hang on. I want to clarify quickly that it's okay to hate him from a character's point of view, but it would be irrational cuz you don't have the information you need.  I can see that, but you have to have him be like... Purely emotional. I was on one of the most important missions for the Jedi and I was betrayed by my entire squadron of clones. Like, I'm sorry I wasn't there, but you have to understand... Yeah, I'm not omnipotent. Order 66 wasn't just in the Jedi temple. I could see that scene actually existing and we'd be like, okay, fine. Yeah, I would like it. There's a conversation they should have because Obi-Wan should have things to say. This is part of his closure. I'd say it's a frustrating aspect of bad stories when there's a scene that's happening and there's just sentences and things which should be said. Her rage against Kenobi is what? Stopping them from working together. So Kenobi should be like, look, you don't understand.  Is there any reason that she's latched on to Kenobi specifically? Anakin was your padawan. Yeah, I think that's her reasoning. I mean, he was also the responsibility of the Jedi as an order. As a council. Yeah, let's not split hairs on how that works. Are you angry at Palpatine? You should be angry at him, right? Exactly. Exactly. Are we going to bring up the emperor in Palpatine?  Where is the rage for that? Where is this? Where are we not talking about? Imagine Kenobi said, yeah, I can see why you're mad at me.  I'm played into this in any way. Are you upset at the emperor?  It's like, there's another guy.  And so what we're getting at now is that... I was really just not a rebel.  I think they may make her a rebel eventually. She's faced trials for war crimes and torturing children. She's probably going to be a good guy by the end. Good guy in quotations. The problem being is in the back of our heads the whole time, we still have no idea why she's happily murdering everybody.  That's not even close. That's a lie.  So no, you need a better reason. And I was just thinking as an alternative, imagine the reason that she was spared because she played dead and then submitted herself to the Sith inquisitors without them doing anything to her, which I still don't understand. That doesn't make any sense to me. What if... And this is a bit dark, so maybe Disney just wouldn't be able to do this. What if she's standing there with like two other friends?    She's like, I'm with you. I'm not one of them. Like a desperate child's sort of viewpoint of... There's something there. We developed that her whole idea is, I've been doing everything I can to simply survive. And then Kenobi can be the character to be like, and how much of yourself is left. You know, try and reach her that way.  Classic character arc like that. Yeah, like, I was just a child. I was trying to survive. Like, has that child survived? Well, I assumed that they got the inquisitors from like Jedi sensitive children that they essentially just like propagandized and brought up in the dark side. I assumed that's where they got all these inquisitors from. So I assumed that she was at the temple, got captured. And then it's like we talked about with the Halo show. How it's a lot more interesting that someone's actually kind of brought up a certain way. And as a result, they have particular character traits. I assume that that's what it would be.   They're young enough to where they're not like super into the Jedi thing, but they're force sensitive and they're semi-trained in that lifestyle so we can start turning them into inquisitors. And that's what happens. She totally buys into it. The propagandizing of like, you know, we're not the bad guys. The Jedi have been trying to take over the whole world. The Jedi have been horrible. You're not like the Jedi, are you? And then they'd be like, whoa. And then the kids who managed to not, they resist or they fight back.  But you're right, yeah. That would make more sense.  But what they've opted for is, I play dead. After I got stuck, look, they've made a joke of being stabbed through the stomach with a lightsaber. Which is amazing, yeah. It happens to her twice and she lives both times. And then you have the grand inquisitor. He gets stabbed through the chest. And as I said, it's the opposite Leia problem. Leia dies because of sadness. He lives because of revenge. And so he's just around now because that wasn't fatal.    It's like, okay.  If it is consistent that being stabbed in the gut doesn't effectively kill you, why do people keep trying to kill each other by stabbing each other in the gut? That's what I want to talk about. Especially when there are clearly more lethal options. We should probably focus less on the fact that she survived that wound and instead focus on the fact that none of them wanted to kill her for some reason. No, they just left her there.  What are you doing? They left her there alive with her lightsaber. With her lightsaber? It would be one of the most pragmatic kills you could ever have to kill her. He literally says we're done with you. And it's like, yes, but you stabbed her. I stabbed her once and it didn't work already. Also, the guy next to me, he got stabbed and that didn't work. I don't know if this is moral. But just looking at that, it really does feel to me. It's like, that should probably be lethal. Feels like that's quite high up and at an angle. Chopping through a whole set of eyes. Chopping through things. I'm going through her sternum. Maybe going through her spine. Maybe her spine, maybe even her lung. It melts everything in that. Exactly. And he leaves it in for a little bit too. It's closed. Which is no joke. Stab stab, stab in and out is one thing. There's no friction keeping it in place with the lightsaber. At least much less than there would be with a sword. If she moves at all and she falls. She flinches in any way. That's more damage than to her. There is definitely friction because we see difficulty from Qui-Gon moving it through the metal door in Phantom Menace. They seem to glide pretty easily. That's a blast door versus a person. Exactly. I don't even know if I'm exaggerating if I say every scene has a shaky camera. Yeah, they like the shaking. I don't know why. Because it's cheap. It's intensity without the work at making an intense scene. Serene scenes as well. Quick shake the camera. Shaky, shaky.  It's so bad. We didn't have a layer, I guess, when we kind of have. She's just tech expert now. You would think that there... It does feel weird to just have someone of her age who is just the most skilled and capable at opening this this random door, this random jumble of wires on this one random planet. It's like, you know how to fix this? How? How do you know? How do you have this skill set? How can you do this? Do you have all the talents? You can't say like... Nobody can fit through that to get to the most important wiring for the escape door. It's like, why have you built it that way? That is like, and also how do you get through that? What do you mean? It's really big. Hawkins probably couldn't.  Jabba couldn't eat Jabba. There's plenty of slender women in your organization here. I'm sure plenty of... One of them must know how mechanics work. Please. You must have some actual mechanics. I don't know how mechanics work smaller. Well, then how do you explain Leia? Boom. He's a child. She's not a woman yet. As soon as she gets 18, that's gone. She's vanishes from her brains. Oh. One left. Wow. This was annihilated everyone. Yeah, I was going to say like... 10 seconds. Typical military can total incompetence for inventories, of course.  Not any of them gets an advantage from that. It's really weird because all the stormtroopers come flooding into this one choke point and still basically none of them die even though you could have just blasted everything in there. They've made stormtroopers a joke. When stormtroopers show up and a star destroyer is up there, you should be shitting your pants and thinking that this is a grave moment of peril. We are seriously in danger.  It's like, oh, we're fine. It's only a star destroyer and however many legions of troopers and ships and everything they have. It's fine. We'll be fine because they're so incompetent and worthless that it doesn't even matter. And then we know they have at least one grenade and they don't use it. Don't remind me. You need her to sacrifice herself for this heroic end for her. And it's like, man, you could have just thrown it at them. Dude, they were so proud of themselves for his storyline. So cringe. You can't show us the grenade. It's like, do you see how many people, even when they were out of the field, there was so many of them. You could have, you probably could have killed like 20 of them in one throw. They weren't using, yeah, they didn't set up barricade. They didn't stagger themselves in positions to fire. They didn't use cover because no one uses cover. You could take this random piece of metal and plop it on your arm and it stops blaster shots. But I guess stormtrooper armor is as worthless as ever.  Whatever you see in terms of an establishment of soldiers and equipment and positions, it never translates into meaning anything. It's pure what the plot needs to happen. There's never any sense behind anything. Because we know the point where you see stormtroopers.  They're not allowed to do anything consistently. It's just dependent on what we need to have happen in events. Like them shooting her, that was something that we all knew they were allowed to do because the plot was like, yep, that one's okay. And she only got hit the one time while standing in the hallway as a horde of stormtroopers were 20 feet away. She got hit the one time, which is the shocking allowance of the plot.  Like, oh, it's fine. It's fine. Yeah, like when she's on the ground, not dead yet, they should just, as they walk by, they just casually finish her off and just keep moving. Stormtroopers have been made so worthless. It's all of the empire.  Stormtroopers are coming.  How do you guys take over a galaxy again? Like, how are you? I wonder how that worked out. We're what, like 85% through this show? It doesn't matter how good the last episode is at this point. Oh, yeah.  What if it fixes everything? Textualize all of it as a dream for Obi-Wan. Yeah, yeah, Obi-Wan wakes up. No, no, no. He's back on his case all of it in a way that it makes all perfect sense. It's actually very clever. Good luck with that. Not possible. Also, did they start the second season with that already? No, so apparently there's a, there was only rumors that they're thinking about a second season. There's nothing confirmed. I mean, I don't see why they wouldn't. They like money. And this one they have to know beforehand that they have a next season. So this one is a limited series. So that's how it's been presented, which means it's probably not going to get another season, I guess, technically. Maybe they'll find some other way to follow it up. Maybe we'll just stick random Mandalorian episodes into it. Oh, yeah. Well, the fact that Uma Gregor said he's on board of doing more stuff, I don't see. It's literally just money on the table. I don't know why Disney wouldn't take it. Yeah, yeah.   So yeah, whatever. I don't know if we'll get more of this. We don't want more of this, but... No, but... They don't listen to us.  That was exceedingly frustrating. And this was the one that apparently was great. I had people saying, like, wow, this is a really good one. This is really great. And I'm like, oh, I just can't... No, it's really, really bad. This is really bad, guys. This ruins more than any other episode before. Yay. See you for the finale, everyone. Hooray. Wait, for it to be over. I mean, for the finale. Bye. Goodbye, everybody. May the force be with you. Remember when that used to mean something? May the force be with you? Like, it had some kind of a reverence to it. And now it's just, remember, that's a thing people say. Remember when Akbar, when Admiral Ackmar said, May the force be with us. Before the final fight in episode six. It just had this, like, yeah, this is a really serious thing. It's like this blessing, almost. This warrior's blessing we're giving you. It's just, oh, man, it's going to be rough. This is going to be a tough fight. May the force be with you. And now it's just, that's the thing you say. No. Bye. Hello. What'd you bring me? Nobody can hear us right now. What are we, some kind of EFAP minis number 62?  As you can tell, the atmosphere is fiery right now. Well, we can start off on... I would like to comment very lightly on this non sequitur of a thumbnail where they have his face over the tweets and it's like the tweet is nuzzled up underneath his chin and he's just like, hmm, he's very, it looks very strange because they went through the trouble to add a little shadow and then put it under his chin. Making sure that people can see this for the literally opening seconds of the finale minis. By the way, this goofy thumbnail. Yeah. Nothing at all against Elio and News. This is the thumbnail and I thought it's awkward that they put a lot of effort into putting this tweet beneath his chin and have the shadow and he's like, he's resting his chin on it. Like it's a comfy pillow. Also, I can't read it. What's the point of having a tweet there? I can't see who posted that. What it says like... It's an odd creative choice. There's a lot of effort to put in for something that's not... Yeah, a lot went into that thumbnail between the lighting of his face and the shadows and all the stuff behind it. If you want to have a tweet in your thumbnail, you got to choose whether or not that's a battle you want to fight. All I know is that there's a tweet involved. Decapitate it by the tweet. The blade of a sword that's just being held to his neck. Yeah, exactly. There's an artistic quality to it if the tweet is like cancelling him. This is one of the starts of episodes where I have to question myself. I'm alive right now. I'm alive. Yeah, welcome to the final episode of Kenobi. Yeah, that's right. Two hours from now, you're going to wonder, gosh, what was it today that they talked about that weird thumbnail? Or was that... Did that even happen? Was that a dream? Was that just a fever dream of my mind after watching this show that I just imagined them talking about that? I think there are a lot more fever dreamery things on eFap. I'm not going to try and re-say that. I'm just remembering the thing that feels most like a fever dream from all of eFap is the animation of Charles Dance playing Martin Luther King. Ah, I remember that. That was good. It feels like a fever dream. It was. Yeah. Almost a year since that was broadcast to the world from eFap. Crazy. It would seem, because we just saw the results of the premiere of episode 5 of the mini, seems most people thought that was shit too even though I'd heard the wider audiences outside of eFap actually thought episode 5 was great. Crazy, I know. Stop. Now, as for 6, I've heard a lot of different things. It does seem like it's getting positive reception. It's going to do a lot of fan stuff is that that's all I've seen. Just to give you an example, that's pretty non-spoilery. He's going to say hello there. I was so proud of them that at least they didn't do that, but we knew that they were going to do that. I would have preferred to be surprised by that personally.  Awesome, yeah. I'm super excited. What I'm looking forward to is really unimaginatively staged fight scenes that are probably going to be done on just a flat open ground in poor visibility because that seems to be the hallmark of Deborah Chow for some reason. She's an incredible action director, I have to say. Christ on a bike.  Even Ryan Johnson had enough intelligence to put a little bit of visual flair into his fights. Even action scene that passes everyone's smell test. You have to break down the throne room fight to be like, hang on a second. He manages to get the grand scale, but it's like choreography is what everybody rips into that one for. I've just realized now that I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the fights that have happened with lightsabers in the Disney stuff is on flat ground with no vertical rule. Yeah, there's nothing for people to use in the environment. They can't follow off ledges or anything. They can't use vertical either. The big fight with Kylo and Ray in the water place, that was amazing. Yeah, because that was flat. It just was moving. They bring that from one flat location to the other flat location. Yeah, they do jump across. You don't need it to be like mustafar level of insane. You can do what they did in the OT where it's just someone's up on the stairs. Yeah, well, that's been a good example. But I mean, even in the fight in the front room, they had verticality where they're up on higher platforms. And of course, stop mall. There was a little bit of verticality. And then there was that element with the closing doors, just variables that make the fight a little bit more dynamic. I want some like environmental hazard of just something to make it more interesting. What if we tip out a load of stuff and then light it on fire? Oh, that sounds great. That's a perfect solution. Can it be about 20, 30 feet wide with easy routes around either side but nobody does it? Just the perfect thing that Veda would do. You should write these, Jamie. Perfect.  I just love the idea that this is going to be some tense fight as well when we know that both characters are alive in the OT. It's like actually nothing of any significance can happen. Just because both of the characters are alive doesn't mean necessarily that it couldn't be an interesting fight. It's just that this show doesn't really have any value. The obvious questions will just be like, so you guys can't do any permanent damage to each other? Well, I say that. He could chop off both of Kenobi's arms and that Disney could be like, yeah, they were robotic in OT. You just didn't know. And he'll just put a little bandaid on it and be like, ooh. Obi-Wan could. He could do highborg things. He genuinely could cut off all of Veda's limbs and then set him on fire. Veda's like, seriously? Come on, man.  I think we talked about this. Veda's going to have to lose this fight. It can't work any other way.  But at the same time, they will take the opportunity, presumably, to explain why Obi-Wan calls him Darth. Now I am the master.  Because Kenobi up to this point only refers to him as Anakin or even Veda. Why does he call him Darth? The reason he called him Darth in the OT was because at that point, Darth Veda was his name. His first name was Darth. He wasn't the title. And so, yeah, there may be some clumsy attempts to try and make it all fit together. I've heard things more. I expect a lot of praise of Leia because this whole show seems to be about building her up and making her out to be just as important as Luke. I don't even know what they can do with her in this episode. If it's going to be, they're running away, Vader in this fight. She's going to defeat Vader and Kenobi simultaneously until it's the top. Tell you one thing I think we're all ready for is that Riva's going to be taking up a lot of screen time and we're going to love it. You will love her or else. Or else. So, yeah, before we get into it, I figure we may as well take a little look-see about what everyone has been saying in Goodall on my showcase. All right. Did you cut any of this?  I'm not even editing this bit. The scissors on screen right now. Anyway, comment number one. Let's throw it over to Goodall for me. You're really building this up. Riva. Leia's message in A New Hope should have been General Kenobi.   Also, feel weird being in comment showcase. But cool. Well, you're in it for a second time. Yeah, you made it again. Once we get this episode out of the way, we can finally crystallize that criticism fully because whatever journey she shares with Kenobi, this will be the last of it. It's already pretty bad, Jay. You got this one. Okay.  I'm so sorry. I don't see any shields.  For some reason, they didn't fortify their defenses after that critical oversight. Is this referencing all in order? All in order. The war had been told because I didn't play that campaign.  I've disabled the shields on the outer sections of the fortress. And this is Disney's canon, by the way. Yeah, it's the same base. I own this game, but I've not played it. I could just I'm going to have to play through all the whole thing just to find the source.  Can we just say that they don't have any? But why wouldn't they be? It's like, because they don't expect anyone to attack. That's good enough. Yeah, okay, put it in. And then it's like, wait, but we met a game with us, not the case. Like nobody plays video games.  Remove the shields. I once considered installing it and then I didn't. You can't just pull rank on a security officer when you don't have clearance. If an army major showed up at Area 51 and told the guards that he outranks them, he wouldn't just get let in. They'd arrest him and convince his identity and then throw him out. No, all he has to say is, I'm here on classified stuff. Leave me alone. That's totally how it works and it'll get you right in. This is what happens when people with absolutely no military experience are required to write military organizations. It's not even a military experience. I would do that. Yeah, I have no military experience, but I have seen Star Trek. I could do better than this. That was written by people with military experience, but then you could get consultants and you could speak to people at least. Is this plausible?  No.  You can have a fictional world where maybe it's a little different, but the whole thing is that all of these, the way that officers conduct themselves is based on logic and a means to an end. They all have a goal. That's why these systems are here. Obviously, they're all going to act at least to a degree within accordance to that goal. It's not just going to be like, you're not going to be able to get into a place by going, yeah, I rank you, let me in. I'm going to tell on you if you don't let me in. Tom says it's my turn in the fortress inquisitorious. I'm not supposed to read the second comment on the screenshot. Wow, that was delayed.  We've already passed another comment. Another one. Leia. I am the daughter of Senator Bale Organa and the Empire's number one most wanted criminal. Obi-Wan Kenobi is going to come and rescue me, Imperial secret police officer. Wonderful.  And the show wants us to believe she is smart. What a great scene to set the tone for the remainder of the episode. Yeah, that's pretty bizarre. I love it. She has no reason to even say it, but she's like, Obi-Wan Kenobi is going to rescue me. It's like, oh, damn.  It's just mind boggling. Like this is the kind of thing that turns people against her character. I think most people are just going to try and think of like 10 year old Leia. It's not Leia. It's fine. Well, this whole show, I think a lot of people like it didn't happen, man.  I still just can't believe that she knows everything according to Tala. What's that name?  Yeah, she knows everything. That by the way. Okay. Forget Ewoks beating stormtroopers to death with sticks. That lady literally planted her head on that stormtroopers helmet and he just insta-died. You did say head. She planted it. If she had bite him, that would have been a bit more badass. Okay, but she did. She gently sort of goes. Yeah, there wasn't even a strike there. It was like she grabbed the base of his helmet and just kind of pulled him down and that was it. That was the second one.  She grabs his helmet and they both like, you got me. You pressed my off switch, man. It's like, you'd think they would at least have decent action choreographers to handle this stuff. Nope. But every single action scene is just garbage and it's like they go with the first take that they do.  Move on. It's interesting because they rely so much on the action and yet they put so little effort into the action at the same time. Yeah, because it's not even like a slap. It's like she just takes her open hand and sort of she kind of just puts a hand on it. It's like, you know how you can like drape a cloth over a parrot and convince that it's nighttime? Yeah, I do know that.  I'm going to fall asleep. It's sleepy time for me. That was episode fours. These are episode fives, many ones now. These are hot off the presses.  The use of CGI and nostalgia is insignificant next to the power of good writing. There's a neat variation of a good old Vader quote, audiovisual terror. You know, that's a good way to describe it. Yeah. Yeah, all the CGI isn't even that great anyway. It isn't. Yeah, it's passable most of the time and then sometimes you're like, oh, that looks pretty good. We'll have a moment of silence for Wade as well. Oh, yeah, we should definitely do that. I was so invested in him. I think that's a perfect emblem of the thought process behind so many of these Disney properties though. It's like a character that's introduced and like literally 30 seconds later is dead and you know nothing about him, but there's this big like morning scene afterwards where you're expecting to feel bad for them. We know, we learned a lot about Wade. Yeah, it's just emotional attachment. That's what they want. It's like they don't want to put any work into it. It's just here, feel bad about this character. I know it's time to move on to the next thing. I can't wait for like the Wade like trading card to appear in some game somewhere because that's 100% going to happen. He's going to get his own spinoff. I think they like doing spinoffs for characters that we that have like a confirmed death that's like not that high stakes, I guess. Although it's fair, you know, you know, well, the dark side is the pathway to many abilities that someone considers to be unnatural. He knows, you know. God, Wade, what have you not dealt with? We only know the tip of the iceberg right now. There's a lot to unearth. Yep, here is your problem. Someone said this thing's evil. Yep, here's your problem. Someone said this thing to evil. I love you. As I expected, Riva's motives make no sense. She saw that Vader killed her friends. Therefore, she is angry at Obi-Wan who trained him for not saving her. Why didn't he just say I was on Utapau, attacked by the clones, and therefore she serves Vader. Hunt's all-remaining Jedi.  She is a horrible person and I cheered when she was stabbed but then she left. Damn it. It does seem just absolute nonsense. There's just nothing here that makes any sense at all.   All of that was written and approved and then put into production. Riva was like, where were you when the clones attack?  Well, couldn't it have been neat for Obi-Wan to be like, where were you when Leia was being tortured? Oh, right. You were torturing her. She'd be like, hey, that's different. The thing is, no, that would require Obi-Wan to have her come back to something and that's clearly not allowed in this show. Like he just kind of takes everything that's thrown at him. Kenobi is like a bad concept spread of a too much bad execution. Pilibus baganius. It's so nice to see the Bilbo memes. It's still alive and well. Classic. Those are some old school memes. I do like as well if someone said like, Kenobi's a good idea. It's just badly executed. No, it's all just horrible. It's really not. Yeah, it's terrible. Should have never been made. On the spot. No question. I want revenge on Obi-Wan for failing to protect all of the Jedi. I'll get my revenge by helping Darth Vader kill all of the Jedi. And then I'm dead. Genius. Hey, it's subversive. Okay, no one saw it coming. It's funny because everyone saw it coming. Yeah. Maybe they disappointed that. Oh, I thought that idea was great. Damn. I love how close Vader was to finding out he had kids. If only he looked to his freaking right. He had seen that little transceiver picked it up in like Balogana children. Oh, and Tatooine. Don't worry. It's fine. I love how that message how it's kind of garbled and corrupted and it just happens to play the most like useful bits of information that could possibly display. I'm just surprised how not durable that thing is. Just falls down once and just the transmission just breaks. It isn't half as durable as Riva is. And it's crazy because let's pretend she actually gave it to Vader. That's not going to happen. But if she did and then and then she's like see Balogana is evil.  He'd be like, yeah, we know that already. All the stuff is happening in the season. We know that already and we're going to take him in for sure. But this show doesn't seem to believe that at all. The Star Wars character receives a death blow but they're mildly upset. Oh, no. Poor Qui-Gon.  Everyone was just like, yeah. Look at him, Qui-Gon. He had a weak stomach. He was just lying there for hours. Nobody helped him. I thought you were dead. I was. I was. I like the title of this is his second stomach called 9-1-1 and the paramedic revived him. I think to finish it off is just the classic. We did bring it up but I mean, how can you not? Has a grenade to kill all the stone troopers since the beginning.  It's not even unaffectively or ineffectively. That's often a trope that you see in movies and stuff is you have a very some force, often the bad guys have a very powerful weapon but they use that weapon not at the beginning to open the fight where it will be most effective. They'll use it when they need to have like a in-fight low point so then the bad guys will use it. It's the same. Your second win thing, right? Oh, no. 3 is quite expensive so let's send in a whole bunch of our troops first and let them get slurred. It's like, ah, it didn't work. Okay, bring it out. It would have been great if you would use the big gun first. You could have saved a lot of time and effort. Well, it's fun you say that, Rags, because they did open with the big gun trying to break open the barrier in that episode. It turns out the lightsaber could have just done it instantly. That was mind boggling. That was amazing. Remember how she said they could hold out there for days? Yeah, apparently not. By days, I mean maybe maybe a few minutes, seconds even. She literally cuts it and opens it. It's like, oh. They were completely confident that they'd be able to fly away in their ship if they could just get the hangar doors open because they wouldn't have a star destroyer in orbit ready to fire on that the moment the doors open. It's like, no, no, no, no. It's not in the scene so it's not there. So anyway, are you guys ready to watch the end of Kenobi? Lou real quick and we'll start. I'm not going to permit you to use the Lou Rags. I was going to say, he just left. He didn't even wait for me to approve that. Wow. Yeah. The chip reports are for Rags. Come on. So it has to be approved by you, the primary host since it's on your channel, and me as the manager. Well, and Metal as well because he's going to drink it, so. Wait, what? Nothing. I didn't say nothing at all. It was a secret, goddammit. Now everybody's going to hear it. Can't wait for those metal piss memes. It's going to be great. Rags didn't mute himself. We're just going to hear him shitting in the background. Oh, no. It's so sharp. Yeah. It's so sharp. Ready to have my socks knocked off. Bring his knock out of socks on. All right, we can wait for that. I'm good now. I also do not have socks on. I do have socks on. I don't know if this changes the dynamic. I've got them on. Of course. Seems like an even split, sort of, of socks. I can take one off. I think that would help. That's for the best, I think. All right. Three, two, one, go. I missed. Big tin of nuts. You missed the button. We need to try that again. What you actually did. So what happened was he started the countdown and I was like, all right. And I had to, like, desperately move forward and grab the mouse. And in that time, you'd go to the end of the countdown. And then I rapidly moved towards the button with the mouse. But I wasn't able to hit it. What did you think this was worth telling? Yeah. If we spent, like, an hour lining up for a group photograph, you would have it on selfie mode or something. Instead of saying I misclicked, you feel the need to explain every part of that. Here's the nature of my misclip. Go. We did it. Where is he? Kenner Bay. Kenner Bay. Do not use any of our orbital cannons or the store destroyer. Lock down the facility. Remember when we used to have subtext in scenes? No. You didn't have to spell everything out. Look, okay, that was like a decade ago. Maybe several. It is legitimately interesting how long you could just stand in a massive group of stormtrooper shooting at you and just not instantly get destroyed by many, many shots. It is genuinely the thing I wonder, if you had that many and they all shoot once at the same time, is everyone dead? Probably. I think even if we assume in the back that was a ship, I don't think that checks out, like, from the position. No, I mean... Well, he let it go away. There's a lot that doesn't check out about that scene. It's just so much. Revenge does wonders for the will to live, don't you think? Oh, my luck's in this. Dude. You know what I love seeing in shows like this as well? It's like people using force powers and abilities that they absolutely can't use like 10 years later. Yeah, I forgot. One of the things I saw people discussing was like, will Kenobi finally fight the ground inquisitors? And I was like, I don't know if there's enough time? Yeah. It's more so just about trying to see if you can figure out what kind of narrative they're going to run with. Was that a shelf in their small toss? I thought there was a sink in there. Yeah. That's where we were at with Star Wars. I don't know if it's a shelf. Like a sink. Star Wars shelf? It's the inside of a room from the Star Wars hotel. Yeah. You need to put just a fork in there at some point. Ray, we're back on that point. No, this is actually good. I'm glad we're back on that. Well, to be fair, Kenobi ain't going to be here. This is going to be Owen, right? There's a key for the water. Oh, is this the... It's the meat guy. It's so baffling that the one show that should have been entirely on Tatooine is the one that wasn't. She's here already? She's already here. She put on a... What spaceship was available for her? She's got a blanky so that she's... That'll do it. Yeah, you're right. What ship did she use? Well, yeah, that's a fair question. So we've outright skipped all of that. She's on Tatooine now. And she's near her.  Oh, boy. Now they remember the Star of Destroyer. Now they remember it. To be fair, they said at least that they're being chased. That's all. It's not good enough. They're dead. They're destroyed. Use your tractor beam. Use your Tidefire. The Tandoor 4 was captured. It wasn't like... What is going on here, Empire? Yes, it gets you out from there. Oh, man, they seem pretty confident about their escape, even though... They really shouldn't be. Yeah. It's a miracle that you're not destroyed now. Power couplings are bad. I'm working on it, but those shields won't last forever. Oh, it lasts forever? They shouldn't last like 10 seconds. I don't understand. The Star of Destroyer focusing its power on you. This would be a quote from a battleship today. Blasted away at a fucking... A little warbark. With all of its guns. I can take this for more than a couple of days. It's like they've forgotten that the Falcon tried to escape through an asteroid field. It wasn't just... We'll just float around them for ages and hope. And who knows how long this has been going on for? You can see the misses going past the window. Explosions. Yeah. Everyone should be shitting their pants right now. I should borrow her, too. I really feel like this isn't the right tone for the scene. Oh, alright. We're done with that. Yeah, there's Owen, alright. A Sieger of Star Destroyer is something that, you know, that's a multiple scene affair. I've forgotten about him. Remember Luke Skywalker, anybody? Man, he's got a grand future ahead of him. Owen, there's something you need to know. Wait, if they're warning him about Reaver, he's fine, he'll just be out. You know this plan makes sense. Obi-Wan just described something in the show as making sense. Yeah. You are the future. You're what needs to survive. No. He needs to be given space.    You must promise me that you'll get her home, Haja. You have my word. He's entrusted the care of Leia to this guy now. That's just, okay, the guy who he called like outright liar in episode three and hated. Well, that, too, yeah. That was his gig. They should be leaving the Empire. If the Sith is after you, then you need to leave. You've got to get out right now. There's not even time to pack tiny kips.  Bale's. What?  You need to leave. No, you're not. You are literally two invalids against the Sith. You're fucked. They're trying to make her out like she's the tri- What?  She'll come when the suns go down. Best we got position now. How do you know that? Why would she do that? Okay, wait. My brain's exploding.   I'm Baru and Uncle Owen have both just been ruined. They've been ruined. There's so many layers to this that are wrong. Like I said, my expectation is they must have had a failsafe in place.  The second they have any reason to think he knows they have to leave Tatooine. That's how it works. That isn't the failsafe. Okay, so what is it then? He's like, hide in the desert. I'll accept that even though it should be. Better in our house. Excuse me? She's like, we're gonna fight this. This woman needs to be stopped. Owen, you need to tell him. We have a gun and no sense. They don't know what kind of force she's bringing with her either. There could be a legion of stormtroopers right behind her. We know it's just her. Presumably. Owen's been told there's a Sith lady who's been asking questions and is looking for Luke. You have to leave Tatooine. You have no choice. What reason do you have to think that she hasn't told anybody else in the empire about what she's doing and who she's looking for? What an insane scene. Our characters just conclude the best defense we have is to just allow her to come and we'll shoot her with our blasters. It's a pretty prime example of trying to get the scene over and done so quickly that people don't have time to process how dumb it was. It was like 30 seconds. It was all done just to give her that little hero moment because I guess she's not had any real screen time in the series. He suggested running away and putting friends in danger. What an awful plan. She's the heroic idea of we'll stay here, we'll fight her and we will win. How can nobody in this show ever have conversations about utilitarianism or anything or consequentialism in terms of the nature of what you were trying to protect. It's not just Luke. It's like any and all hope that the future will be better for everybody. There's no conversation about how big the stakes really are. It's all nothing but an appeal to emotion. A character can make some impassioned speech about literally anything and everyone around them will just go along with it.  Nobody ever has a counter-argument that we know that they would have. It's really annoying when you watch a story and there's this obvious answer to what someone said and the show just will not let anybody say it. They'll try and move past as quickly as possible or what will happen is the character who gets rebuked will look and then they'll look to the ground or something. Although they got nothing to open their mouth but they won't say anything. When everybody who's watching knows what the real arguments are. We need Owen to say, hey, how many Sith have you killed? Is it five? They're going to make another story. They're going to make another series called Baru. And it turns out that she's actually a Sith Hunter. She was a Jedi the whole time. I can't believe she's killed many Sith. She's the real hero. A new hope. I never got the impression that there was a close call when he almost was found. Do you believe that Aunt Baru and Uncle Owen defended their house from a Sith attack at some point? No. It would be that they lived a very normal life for 17 years. Everything was normal. It was completely uneventful. Did you catch as well that she blames him for Obi-Wan not being here? Excuse me.  The whole reason she knows that Obi-Wan isn't here is because Owen just said he's not here. The implication being I tried to find him.   The conversation I was going to have with Obi-Wan and Bale. I liked a bunch. I had to find a Sith in Quizno. Dude, I guarantee you they'll never tell him why this happened. They should never, ever, ever think that it's safe to be in Tatooine now. No, of course not. They've been found. We don't know if she told any other Sith. Exactly. We don't know. So we're not going to stay here. They have a gun. It would be very reasonable if she did tell someone else. Of course. Why would she not? She's a rogue element, but that's rare. That's our knowledge. That's our knowledge, exactly. They could learn all that over the course of this episode which would excuse why they don't leave after this. I don't even think that's enough. Honestly, no. If I were reassured by herself, she says, you know what, I'm actually a good guy and I didn't tell anybody. Not Riva herself. 100% would be like I didn't tell anybody.  There's so many ways they may have found out as a result of you knowing or the fact that you're here. Just not. Everybody has seen you here. That's very strange, Riva. I am currently just trying to figure out how bad it is rather than... Oh, it could work. No. It's a catastrophe. This is why we need to pause because I think this is incredible damage done in a minute.  We were shocked when they were all pale. Nobody is safe.   I mean, Owen too for going along with everyone in the show gets tainted.  It looks like we've got the rebels are trying to escape. Kenobi's gonna draw off Vader to save them. And the B-plot will be Riva's attack upon Uncle's little house. I can't believe this is the episode, but apparently that's it. This is the end. This is the end of the season. Yeah, and of course, he's baffled.   Thank you. I assume that's what you were doing. You're welcome. So I get it. You said you'd take me home.   I've risked my life for you countless times. But if they have a big moment here, what's hard to do is risk his life for her. Please tell your father I tried. I guess you did.  I hope something for you. It's a broken found before we got out. Wait, how? That's the lady's holster. The other side gives me a faster troll. Can you teach me how to shoot? How do you have that? Also, what are you going to put in there? I guess a gun later. Well, that's the meme, right? Everyone keeps talking about how she's going to become Leia that we all know. I wasn't going to give you a blaster Leia.  Why do you just say what she does at the OT at this point? Imagine Leia comes back, Obi-Wan's gone. They're being chased by a tourist ray or something. Oh, I got this holster. It was just the thing that he had on him. Leia uses blasters in the OT, guys. I don't know if you remember.  I feel like I should have just picked this up and kept this with me. I promise. People have to promise things that they can't guarantee. Why can't you just say I'll try? Why isn't that good enough?  I have to face him, master. Oh, this could be it. No, it really doesn't. There's a whole trilogy. How did they not think that line would be funny?  How many times have these two characters had this discussion at this point? Wasn't this all that happened yesterday? Last episode, I mean. I can't quit. I fought for too long. You can't just throw that away. It won't make a difference. They want all of us. They don't want me. If you surrender, she died for nothing. You want to tell me, are you going to fight without a weapon? There are other ways to fight. You don't have to do this, you know. We can still fix the drive. I have to go. Just keep them safe. It's amazing you're alive. You know what, you know what?  Wait, I just realized this is the third time Why can't you just force grab it? An Obi has said, like, I need to stay behind and sacrifice myself so that everyone else can get out. And it never actually happens. Yeah. Vader could rip apart the hull with the force. No, he can't. That was just to make all the real Star Wars amazing channels go, ooh, isn't that amazing? I've seen defenses already that the Millennium Falcon and the other ones, they were going too fast. Really? Last Jedi moment. There's one life form aboard. Well, then just send the Thai fighters after it. Uh-oh. My lord, we must continue our pursuit of the insurgents. Both, you have Thai fighters. Just do both, you have loads of ships. Yeah. We cannot prioritize one lone Jedi. There are Star Destroyers from other parts of the galaxy. There must be loads of them. He is not just any Jedi. You have loads of ships? Why are you doing this, Vader? You have a hangover of Thai fighters. You have a hangover of Thai fighters. You could have shot it. Wow. Follow Kenobi. Wow.  That's literally the proto-rebellion and it survives because Vader was like, nah, look, it's a little fishy over there. And they're not even going to be able to get Kenobi. No, they won't. God, they literally can't.  That's so embarrassing. It's the most incompetent military force in all of fiction. Okay, wait. I'm actually kind of confused because if Kenobi has Hyperdrive, he could just leave now. But if he doesn't, then he's going to get captured. So what's going to happen? Run? No, you're not supposed to run, remember? Running is not what we do. Man, if these two die, just run. Really?  Jesus Christ. What they should do, they're not even doing anything. Oh, the store will stop them. They're not doing anything clever like making it look like they left. I can't believe we're gearing up for an unbrew Uncle Owen action scene. I can't believe this is happening. Where are we? Is this a planet? Lucky there's a planet, I guess. There's just a planet here because in space you just run into those. He just said, Oh, he got to the planet. So why didn't you just take your own ship out and chase him while everyone else does the rebel thing? Man. I guess he just got away. The writing just says he got away and there you go.  It has to be him alone because otherwise the scene will be fucked. Because we want to have them... Oh, there's a ship that they could have used to pursue here. Dude, they literally are making the Empire just wait while they have their scene. Instead of having them chase the rebels. That's amazing. An entire Star Destroyer just sitting up there doing nothing. Indeed you are powerful as the Emperor has foreseen.   It's a merchandise, please buy a product. Yeah, why did you steal Leia's toys? What's the point? Does he think the track is still active? No, it's not red anymore.  Blue and blue is good like lightsabers and red is bad. By the way, in terms of getting us to the point where they can have their big big duel it's like, well, there's a planet and they both landed on it. Okay. Such talent. Oh, here we go. Dude, I want a glow and a non-baru to have lightsabers. Yeah, this is probably the best time to... Is that your position you wanted to take? Is it bad that I actually think there's a chance they will show her chop those two in half?  That's what I was asking. Why does she want to kill Luke so much? Yeah, because she doesn't know exactly who he is yet, right?  That was her motivation.  She just did that to get at Vader. So why does she want it? Maybe the motivation could be I'll kill Vader's son, because he doesn't know who Luke is, right? No, no. What would that even do to Vader when he doesn't even know? Yeah, I mentioned her just going back to Vader. You had a son. I killed him. Maybe that's what Uncle Owen asks. He's like, why are you here? And she goes, uh... Dude, she just screams at him. I don't know. If she did actually kill them both and Luke wakes up the next day and he's just got a different uncle or someone else in. This is our chance for actual dialogue. Come on. You can do it. I wish I could burn you here.  What? You're the one that arrived here! I will do what I must. Did it what? That line didn't make any sense at all. What the...  He was right. Vader, you see, Nile? God, here we go. They did the Kenobi stance, though. They are a big flat open plane. So underwhelming. Even if I was invested in this series, this fight seems underwhelming in the way it's presented. I can't see the rules. It's going to fall down. I can barely... That was necessary. But if you can't see, they don't have to work on choreography. The soundtrack is... It's trying. The problem is that when they're fighting the prequel was the music, man. The music is incredible. Have access to all that music? Well, they don't. Because John Williams only did the main theme for this show. I was kidding. They probably do have access to it. They probably have access to those songs, though. Like they could... They probably still said, make a new one. Maybe that was the thought of making a new one. You had one job. You had one job.  Man, you should've positioned yourself that one's on the left and one on the right. They are lucky she's not using the force to kill them right now. And that she's deflected none of the shots back into them. It's almost like they have... really infinite plot armor. They cannot be killed in this scene. Every character except Riva has one right now. Pretty much, yeah. Which means Riva's dead this episode. What if Aunt Baru kills her? With her own lightsaber? Whoa, the way he was holding the lightsaber there was a bit awkward.  Was that? And now we're reading from Wikipedia. In his injuries, his natural strength was augmented by the addition of his cybernetic enhancements. In addition, Vader retained his proficiency in the force to enhance his physical abilities. In the end, he was a more effective warrior than he had ever been before Kenobi had maimed him. Strength has returned. Oh, thanks. I held back the ocean a few episodes ago just so we're clear. But the weakness still remains. Wait, the weakness still remains. Wouldn't you just say the weakness remains? Yeah, that's what's remaining is. It's still there. Oh, did they... were they trying to do a pullback to that move in the Phantom Manor still? Well, I slipped.  Yeah, that was a rock. And that is why you will always lose. How did you... How did you know there was a cave there or whatever? How did you know that?  Is he gonna say I have my ground? Oh, my God. Oh, no, okay. I can't wait for that video on Steve. Now Darth Vader has the high ground. This is a callback. Sorry, what? So, Kenobi's dead? Yeah, so Kenobi is dead. Kenobi is a puddle of goo. Did you truly think that you could defeat me?  Did you truly defeat me? Master, you have failed, Master. So unfair that they get to have Vader deliver this garbage. Yeah, that's the ending. Okay. Oh, credits. Nice. Awesome.  Oh, God. Oh, jeez. Oh, well, Rip. Oh, yeah, you should have done that earlier. They really love the boy. If he left him, he would have left. He is your own. He is my own. I like that line. That's the one good thing in this whole show, actually. Damn. I like that swing. He was able to do it. There you go. Oh, wow. I can't believe Uncle Owen is like taking on a Sith and causing it unironically. Uncle, there you go. There you go. She couldn't do any pivot of damage. Oh, we still got our Baru left. Come on, baby. You can get it. Oh. So you're dead. Oh, she didn't kill either of them. No, she didn't kill her. Okay. Also, Rags, just in case you missed it, he did say what are you doing or why are you here or something. And she said justice. Justice for what? I don't even understand. Oh, she's screaming. She's going to get you. So, Luke, remember that plan about running away? It's going to actually work. He can just run away. He'll be faster than her. She's all injured. I love that he poked her in a literal gaping hole. Oh, my God. Why gone? Where are you? Yeah, this would be another good time. It'll be like the Spider-Man homecoming scene. Yeah, I am Obi-Wan Kenobi. And I am all the bowlers. Oh, we're getting voices. Oh, it's the voices from this season. No, thank you. No. Those were into the set. There's some, some there. Yeah, you made me another great line. Where are you, Qui-Gon? Yeah, he's got to do it for Leia. Oh, they threw a vision of Luke. It's mainly Leia.  I got some. I'm actually surprised that it wasn't Qui-Gon. Not Qui-Gon. That would have been a really good time to bring him. He's about to beat him, surely. We needed Qui-Gon before he beats him. Yeah, of course. If we're going to have him. And then Qui-Gon shows up. I was with him the whole time. It was me that beat him. You have a free hand there. He could have killed him. He could have killed him. How are you winning? Wait, what? Wait, what? What are you doing, buddy? Remember how Yoda struggled?  Darth Vader can handle this. Oh my God! What are you doing? There was a bull that did something wrong with this. Vader should be able to handle it.  This is just a planet where the rocks are made of paper. Yeah. I think he was breaking him with the force. I don't think so. They were hitting him. I think it was breaking him. God, that's why it was worse. Yeah, because Vader should be able to force, you know, like matrix style. Stop them in midair. He could have ripped spaceships apart.  They hadn't pulled out a spaceship. Remember when Yoda struggled to stop some little rocks from falling on him? Yeah. And he was master Yoda? Remember the grunt he made? We gave up with that ages ago. We're in the Rey Skywalker saga now. That's too late because Kirby's got to win now.  I just want the form of fighting and the role of the Jedi Knight to be special and more spiritual and more intellectual than just a fighter or a superhero or something like that. Yes, he did. Still doing it. How did it do so much damage? It'll be Hayden Christensen voice soon. How old were you not dead from that? That's a wow. Vader's getting... Wow.  Breathy, breathy zones. I guess Obi-Wan is just really dominating now. This is literally just to justify the line in New Hope when he's crying himself as the learner. We're going to see his face. So this is one thing I saw written down somewhere was that they ripped off Rebels which is funny. Oh really? The Ahsoka Vader scene, literally this happens. So what is the excuse for Obi-Wan not killing Vader going to be? I don't know. I guess we'll find out. Time for dialogue. You okay? That worked out well.  Look, he's acting. He's trying. He's acting. He's certainly acting. I'm sorry. Sorry for what? I'm sorry Anakin for all of it. Is Palpatine's name going to come up ever? Thanks for reminding me of what we could have had. I am not your failure. Obi-Wan You... didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. The same way I will destroy you. And my friend is truly dead. There you go. We'll kill him then.  The last time you let him live, that was a horrific mistake. Goodbye. Oh, there it is. No, you're just walking away. You're letting him live? Obi-Wan, no!  It's all Obi-Wan's fault. You remember what happened the last time you let him live? He just like confirmed I'm evil evil. And you just walked away.  Look at the destruction of Obi-Wan. You can never just have like one scene that isn't mod by something. You just can't. They were acting. I like what they wanted to do there with Obi-Wan.  They did because he let him live. They even had him say, Yeah, you're Darth Vader. You're not my friend. I feel like we could have aimed We could have aimed better than them just stating at each other. No, of course. I want to make it clear. I am only complimenting the acting. I don't like anything else really. Guys, Riva's trying to get Luke Skywalker. Did she just... Yeah, Obi-Wan. Good job, dude. So Luke Skywalker has been someone used the force on him. Actually encountered somebody who used the force on him, yeah. Because of Obi-Wan. How are you going to get there in time? That's not why you can get there. It takes time to cross the galaxy. It's time. He's going to have to be knocked out.  We've been doing so many weird time skips and place skips. He's going to be there in time. It needs to be knocked out to make sense.  Look, it's me. It's like me. Yeah, you're not going to kill him. They're going to have to show like...  Oh my god! Oh my god! Oh man. Oh, they flashed back too. Maybe I'm the bad one. They flash back as well. Why is she doing this? Why?  I don't know who he is. She's literally, we're seeing her make the decision not to kill a child for no reason. What a great character. That's amazing.  I was like, isn't that normal?    God, you guys have so much explaining to do to each other. He's not around here. He ran like you told him to. Also, he both are alive miraculously. Yeah, she just kind of pushed us over.   They get visited by stormtroopers and they get literally incinerated. She carried him back. Is she going to die of her wounds? Because she doesn't have revenge anymore? Because nobody can kill her here.  Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't show her die so that we can be like, hmm, where does she end up? You know, I don't know. If only there was a mod parlor on Tatooine. I found this boy. Explain your arc, Riva, because I'm following. I'm kidding, by the way.  Well, guaranteed. People are going to cream over this. They already are. I've only seen bad stuff about this episode so far. Wow. I've seen good stuff. Pull him away from her, by the way. Drag him away. She's dinged.   She said I did the good thing, right? They're like, yeah, sure. Yeah. Oh, she's crying. Kenobi, look after her. Give her a pep talk. We've got 20 minutes to go. That's true. I don't know why you'd want to. Why would you want to? I failed him. He killed my mom and I couldn't do it. What? Oh, she's saying I failed her friends? Or what? You have given them peace. Not really. They should be really concerned. They probably got stressed, PTSD. They showed up to your house at night and with the red lights. Yeah, kind of. You're pretty evil. You've chosen not to become Vader. Oh, this is so well done that you can just see what the writers wanted to say. Who you become now. It is up to you. She's just going to leave and disappear? Probably. Fall over, please fall over.  I don't think that's what's happening here, actually. I think she's fine. She'll get a shot. Yes, yes. Oh. Oh. I love how desperate we are to see her die. Fall over. Oh, she's doing the Kylo Ren thing where it's like this is my evil weapon so I can't have it anymore. Why is it that people think that if a character has confused motives and keeps changing their mind that that makes them complex? Why is that the interpretation of characters like this in Star Wars? You just said she's free. You both are. She's going to come back. She'll be in season two if there is one.   I'm so surprised we haven't seen Qui-Gon. Maybe he'll be the last thing that we see. Maybe. Oh god, Emperor? Is he in? Oh, and I'm pretty sure that is him. Sounds like him. I think he always wants to play this character, right? Oh, and I love him for that. Perhaps your feelings for your old master have left you weakened. Kenobi means nothing. Kenobi means nothing. It's like, we know that's all true. You kind of went nuts earlier. Okay, bye. It's just his living room. It's pretty excessive, huh? It has a flat screen that descends from the ceiling so I can play Xbox. Time to hone some noobs. I can play Fortnite with Thor. I was about to say Battlefront.  Yeah, it's like... We've got to wrap up our Alderaan stuff, I guess. They're going to spend like 15 minutes on aftermath.  Y'all know. It ended as fast as possible. It was like, hey, here's two fights, and now it's over. Literally, I could not envision a simpler ending from where we left off in episode 5. Wow. You didn't do anything. They tried to make it look like she was using a code.  Time to brush your hair. You could actually do that. Or you don't have to do anything. You could just not do it. By the way, she doesn't even know what those tally marks mean.  You're not wearing those.  This is the scene that she's empowered now. She's going to become Lair in the OT. So of course she has a holster.   I love it.  Those are designed to carry firearms. She's a child. Without knowing the context of why she's wearing it, shouldn't you be like, holy fuck, have you been playing with guns?  Do they let you have a gun on this planet? Why do you have those gloves on and those boots? Thanks for almost killing all of my nosy friends. I was right. You almost killed a whole family. You said there were many ways to lead. I was right. I'm going to do this. I'm going to want to change a few things. Ten. You're not doing anything. They cannot resist the nostalgia line. She's so great. More cousins? Not exactly. You left Tatooine again? After what just happened? You left Tatooine again?  Look at that god. Look at this.  There are stormtroopers here. They're looking everywhere for you. Oh god. Can you please just protect Luke for once? No. I fear for her future. The empire grows stronger. No, actually no true. The empire gets competent briefly. Soon.  Man, this is a very public place. Just to be clear, a lot of people are probably watching this. You don't know how loyal those gods are? Those two are like Obi-Wan Kenobi. Holy fuck, is that Obi-Wan Kenobi?  Like the people that we kind of actually work for went to him. You're not going to Tatooine. That would be crazy. By the way, if ever you refer to me on a recording, make sure to mention we're not friends and that you're just your dad's friend is what I am. When I said before that I didn't know your parents. Careful. Oh. Oh god. You are smart and funny. Careful. That was from your father. You knew my mother? This is pod racing. He's not going to tell her that Anakin was fearless. And these are gifts from your father. Who gave in to his fear? Yeah, that's the whole point. He's lying. It's fine. You know my real parents? Could you tell me about them? Who were they? What were their names? I wish I could tell you more. Okay, you don't have to. See, she's fine. She doesn't want to know anymore. They go right. It's fine. He doesn't want to know more. That's alright then. That wraps that up in a neat little bow. We want to keep the door open for sequels. Oh, is that it? That's why I left Vader alive. Well, him saying no one must know that we're friends is probably trying to explain why she doesn't refer to him as a friend. Except it doesn't make any sense still. It doesn't make any sense at all though when he dies. And also, her message to him would... Yeah, he's in danger the second she names him on that transmission. It doesn't matter how friendly they are. I mean, these two should be in prison anyway. Like, all of you guys are fucked. The Empire knows about all of this. I'm just amused that they actually did things to themselves like, ah, it sits perfectly in canon. This breaks almost everything. This is so uncannon, it's uncanny. Oh yeah, we'll do. Considering all of this, when he died, Leia should have been distraught. Yeah, she should have been very upset. More so than Luke, really. There wasn't anything you could have done. This is iconic outfit. Where's Qui-Gon? Has he said hello there yet? Or have I missed it? I don't want to be lied to. He best say hello there so I can laugh. The show is going to close on him saying goodbye there.  He's not taking his box with him. I wasn't going to steal it. I don't want to racially profile, but we know Jawa's. They're not going to talk at all about what happened.  You have no idea. Oh god, think of the criticisms. That's the creature that farts and finds the map. Correct, that is. It might be the exact same one.  That's one of the creatures that farts and finds a man. I thought you were going to keep your distance.  Wait, didn't you desperately want me to help you? You were right. He just needs to be a boy. But that's bad. Isn't that what was happening anyway? The future will take care of itself. Oh, is this his way of saying I won't try to train him? The only protection he needs now, Owen, is you. Sure, that's true. If anything we have learned, he needs you defending him, Obi-Wan. The Empire could show up tomorrow with everything they know. They're probably on their way. I can't believe they've ignored that. They shouldn't be living here anymore.   The creature, the CGI was not matching itself. Oh, that was bad. You want to meet him? Whatever. Oh god, this is where he's going to do it, isn't it? Oh, this could be it. I'm going to say it. I'm going to have to use the Simpsons clip if he says it. Absolutely. I'm actually excited though. Oh, here we go. Kenobi. Yay! Except the thing. Except the thing. That's how it ends, wow. You know what? Where's Qui-Gon? I'm surprised. We still got five minutes. We've got like two minutes left. It could happen. But I guess you won't be encouraging him to fight anybody. I thought he would have been an act low point thing. Maybe this could be him training him to force ghost. How could a force ghost train you to access force ghost? Oh, oh, oh. Oh, wow. That's not okay. When he's absolutely not needed anymore. Is it Liam Neeson? Maybe it's Haldir. Well, it took you long enough. Is it me? Oh, hey. I was always here when we won. It's just when I'm ready to see. Come on, we've got a ways to go. Wait, that's it? Wow, he was in it. He didn't even... None of that is meaningful. That was nothing.  That was like legitimately awful. That might be one of the key examples of keyjangle I've ever seen. Qui-Gon. Look, it's Qui-Gon. And he said we got to go. Why bother? You had access to Liam Neeson's Qui-Gon. You used it for that. Why? Why? Why?  I said David by mistake instead of Vader. Dove David. Why? Remember when he was alone in the ship? That would have been the time to bring in Qui-Gon. And then it's like when he was buried by the boulders. Okay, you could bring in Qui-Gon. And put him right at the end. He'll say, let's go. Let's go. What? And it was your fault I didn't show up earlier. What was the point of that? The jangle keys. But they didn't have to.  I don't understand why you'd waste that.  Like a character arc or something, you know? Oh. There's so much you could have done with this. We were all convinced he would come in to give Obi-Wan that last bit of pep talk. Because of course that's how stories work. Of course that's what you do. Because of course that's what you would do. Yes, I find this show that every man I'm not happy with this. Squandered every last piece. Is there going to be a after credit thing? No. It was a waste. You had money that you needed. You had everything that you needed. You did nothing with it. You did less than nothing.  Nobody escaped. Everybody in this show who has a story elsewhere has been damaged. Except for Qui-Kon, I guess. You know when you said Qui-Kon, I was like joking. You just throw him in right at the end. So I think I was like, oh man, I was so sure with that production. Damn. Skywalker needed a double. It's the most blasie kind of delivery and the most generic dialogue you could give him.  Anyway, let's go. It comes across to me that they didn't know that they were going to get him. And then like, after they'd finished writing the whole show, they're like, we got Liam Neeson. We had so many moments that they could just easily fit him in. You could have easily fit him into that ship scene. And it would have been... It would have been good. It would have been what could have been the thing to push him to the edge. To be clear, because if anybody out there is just like, well, what could they have done? So why we needed the scene where Qui-Kon, his master tells him it wasn't your fault. I know you think it was. Exactly. That should be a great part of this show because Obi-Wan feeling a level of guilt and then realizing it's you can't do everything. It's not my fault. He was seduced by the dark side.  I need to focus on the future. I need to move forward. I have a job to do. No time for moping.  I thought that's what they'd set up. So many of these little missed opportunities. You know that scene early on when Obi-Wan's walking through the desert and he sees Anakin like in a robe just standing off in the distance like a kind of ghostly vision of him is like, that's kind of cool. You know, you can do things with that. They never did it again. It was just like this one little blink of a creative idea that just happened for a moment and then it flickered out. You know, and there's just stuff like that where you have these great opportunities to do something interesting and the show never takes them. I get baffled by their choices to tell stories when some of this stuff seems so textbook almost to me because this isn't subversion where they do it the complete opposite and infuriate you. They're like, instead of that rousing speech that Qui-Gon could give, that would give you an insight into how Qui-Gon felt about Anakin, how he feels about everything that's rolled out and how he feels about Obi-Wan and what their relationship currently is. It's like, no, instead you'll say hi and let's go. And you're like, oh, I guess that's not the opposite, but that's nothing. Is this just bait in season two? Like, that Qui-Gon's going to be more heavily involved than season two? If they do a season two, that would be true. Yeah, there's more rumors now than there were about the season two. Apparently, Kathleen Kennedy has said if the fads really want a season two, of course the fads will ask for a season two. I'm pretty sure this show is like one of the most successful shows on Disney Plus, like, period. But that was never in doubt. Do they not realize how much people love Obi-Wan, Kenobi, and Darth Vader?   I wish that was the only negative thing I could say about Obi-Wan, but he's like thoroughly ruined now. It was mentioned earlier. What exactly is like the inspiration for the story? You kind of walk away from this show thinking that, like, what was your interest in telling a story about Obi-Wan that this is what we ended up with? It wasn't. Why was this the story you wanted?  So it's like, what can we build this around in order to get people's interest? Ah, we'll just use Obi-Wan. We'll cannibalize the rivalry between Obi-Wan and Anakin. We'll ostensibly make a show that's about them, but really it's about this new character that we've created. She doesn't have, like, that much She has a normal villainous amount of screen time. If she was a great, well-realized character we wouldn't be complaining that the show gave her a lot of time as well as Obi-Wan, because it's not like Obi-Wan gets no time. It's just that what they do with him is horrible. I would have frustrations about it if they still had, like, barely any at him time because I'd be like, what the fuck? Yeah, I mean, in terms of who's driving the action and who's kind of dictating the events of the plot it does feel like Riva. For the most part, Obi-Wan doesn't have that much agency. He just kind of goes where the plot takes him and he just reacts to things that happen. So he's not the driving force behind it. This is what makes me think that he's just kind of an observer and he's just there for it. Obi-Wan should never have been the driving force that incites a plot between Revenge of the Sith and New Hope. He should be a reacting force with his main motivation being protecting Luke. That's what we need. I guess what I mean is he shouldn't incite whatever happens, but then once things do start happening he should at least be able to make decisions and influence the course of events and be proactive if he's not. He should be a very active force in ending the story. His entire goal throughout the story should be to end it. The thing is that the story itself has very little to do with what is his ultimate mission and that we know is his ultimate mission that was tasked to him in Revenge of the Sith and concludes in a new hope. Well, and then I guess goes on until Return of the Jedi which is about ensuring that Luke can become a Jedi and destroy the Empire restore balance to the force. That's what he's about at this point in time but the story that they've chosen to tell about him as far as I can tell the arc is I'm not competent no, I am competent. That's like the story. It has nothing to do with Luke. We still don't really know why he became incompetent.  Some things you can't forget but you can fight to make them better So she dies and so he's got his force back in full power by then before then so like that's the force arc done I don't know what it meant at all but then you've got is like his main sort of mental issue comes from the fact that he believes he created Vader and this episode seals that off Vader says nah you didn't I did because I killed Anakin and it's kind of like weird he just kind of accepts that as um yeah you I think that's possible that might be the worst part of that scene because that seems quick and I was very much distracted by Ewan McGregor doing some fantastic acting like showing this heartbroken Obi-Wan Kenobi seeing what remains of Anakin under the mask that's the kind of shit that would be in the best vision of this as far as I'm concerned but yeah like his dialogue he basically gives up on Anakin instantly he's like man you know you're my friend I'm so sorry I'm sorry the fact he said I'm sorry for everything and I'm pretty sure he delivered the line with a shit ton of emotion behind it I'm sorry Anakin for all of it I'm gonna come in with this because this will probably be something that gets thrown as a counter is no but like look at the evil smile that Anakin had like he's he's he's gone um that it's not just what he said it's the way that he looked that's not relevant to Kenobi which is who we're judging this from I know I just figure it's worth bringing up because that that is the important part is does Obi-Wan now believe that Anakin is lost I could believe that if the scene went on a little fucking longer he was short he was lost in revenge of the sin so I was gonna say we basically just did that all over again you have to do more okay so what I feel like this scene did was just um to try and get back onto canon it would be like all we knew was I shot a gun and that bullet eventually ended up in the thing that was in front of me and then someone introduced a new story that takes place between with my bullet hit um a steel wall and it's like wait that can't make any sense though it's like ah wait until the next episode where I fire the gun again when the steel wall is down and the bullet travels through and hits that but it's like oh so you you fucked it up but then you just recreated what happened and you're trying to argue yeah see it's all in canon still it's like that doesn't work that's something that should be a conversation that they should have had in the writer's room if you feel like you really need to add lines you know the oh well then goodbye Darth you know trying to put in all of these lines or like um oh lay you can't let them know that we that we've ever really interacted before if you have to ask these questions and insert these lines it might be worth reconsidering the story that you're trying to tell and doing something that's a little bit more low stakes because this this one was super high stakes off the rail stakes they couldn't resist though they couldn't resist that and I think the disappointing part is that I think I really think that a lot of people would prefer this then the low stakes only on Tatooine because in this case actually makes a lot more sense to do that really contemplative Obi-Wan story I don't know that that's what many people want because I get the impression that people were probably thrilled with like these scenes of them interacting with each other the Disney Star Wars fans they are going to be like clapping like mindless seals over stuff like this yeah they're like together I could see them loving this yeah disappointing and a little bit it's just I I find it really lame to think that what is really desired in terms of storytelling for Star Wars doesn't go much further beyond here what we get here but then again give it like three months and everybody will turn on this show it's so like that's that keeps happening with every single like Disney thing that's come out recently everybody thinks it's really cool when it comes out and then give them a couple of months and everybody turns on it they start to realize oh maybe it wasn't that good oh maybe that was kind of stupid maybe this was unnecessary like people already turning on Doctor Strange it's only been like a month and a half and there was so much praise for that film and now it's turned and yeah this one a lot of praise now it's like give it a couple of months but then everybody forgets you know like the next thing comes out and then everybody gets really excited again I mean the plan is working perfectly like Disney's plan like this show did so well and everybody was responding to it really well at the time it doesn't matter if they don't care about it later on as long as they get engaged with the next thing oh yeah because the next they'll be caring about something else well it'll be Andor and I mean at this point like Andor is like yeah and every single time people get really hyped for that one it'll come out there'll be some aspects of it that appeal broadly to people so much so that kind of overrides a lot of the problems that may be present in these shows because of course they're not out yet people really like it and then give it a couple of months and then everybody sours on it but forgets that loop and it even yeah they're already writing the loop they're focused on the high of the new thing that's just come out so it's fine it's like an addict to always it's their drug yeah that's been like that you know ever since the MCU like rose to prominence and it's going to continue to be that way because it's just it's a really good model we've seen it's excellent for making money it's a very good model what I'm going to say it's unreal streaming service where you just need constant flow of content that people can be and it'll even apply to the same level like so if a season so if everyone turns on this season eventually and says you know what that was actually fucking garbage which it absolutely is I don't know what the half-life on this will be but fuck me anyway once the if they announced a season two then everyone be like okay this is hype as fuck have you seen the trailer this looks way better than season one they'll be going to different planets there'll be new drama oh Qui-gon they're going to be going on adventures together that'll be great everyone will get excited yeah that's what I'm saying even the same seasons like nobody will just they'll just it's fine it's fine to worry about it hype culture is fucking toxic it's really bad isn't it funny at all like we're now at the realm of pilfering the prequels for stuff to cannibalize like that's where we're at now well I feel like we've gone as far as we can go now like well they can do more but this is we had Obi-Wan Kenobi and Darth we've pilfered the most iconic like representation of Star Wars Vader and Obi-Wan the quintessential Jedi quintessential Sith and they fought two more times both were embarrassing by the way the there really was I was just just been scanning through you had Kenobi do his stance while saying I will I do what I must I think it was the thing he says in Revenge of the Sith you had hello there we caught it but the Imperial March played the last Vader scene I took to point it out but I think it wasn't that enough to me it's just like whoever organized all that would be like see we held off we should restrain it's just awkward all the different scenes you had with Vader that just had like generic Star Wars type music and then you're like there it is though Imperial March right at the end there I am genuinely surprised that they didn't do the Battle of the Heroes thing when they were fighting each other I'm surprised they didn't kill for that and they did their own song just none of us doing anything for me though all their original songs well Edson because the woman who composed for this she did the score for Loki I think Loki has a really cool sound oh yeah I was going to say I like the Loki sound the only thing I like about that show is the music yeah and then of course Qui-Gon showing up as well like there's just there's always a little bit the fucking layer with the holster and all the lines about how layer is the future of us layer is going to be amazing layer is so smart the meta seeping in because you know where it's going but the characters at this point in time are where they are at this point in time so like you know you gotta keep that in mind you can foreshadow for sure but kind of just having characters overtly state you will be this type of person in the forthcoming you know stories in the timeline you know yeah that the fat will be like oh my god this fits in so well yeah man yeah it's really shallow when you think about how much they could have done this is a ripe era to explore in this universe everyone is a ripe character to spend some time with especially at this point in time this would be a point in time when you really could have a lot of conflict in him that you can explore but instead we use this story as a vehicle to do it and we didn't spend a lot of time on that at all because the plot kept getting in the way what do you think about episodes 2 and 4 and 5 like what the fuck with it obviously the only time that really people are very much paying attention is when Vader and Obi-Wan cross paths and then it's like let's write this you really have to ask yourself why that might be and then what you can do about that I know we haven't talked much about Reva but that's kind of because there's not much to say about her I think we've gone over it she's an awful character she makes no fucking sense at all but I think I've seen some sentiments like oh what a multi-faceted complex character in it well that's is it that simple that in Star Wars as long as your character is confused that makes them complicated Confusion is a complex emotion that Disney Star Wars fans don't fully understand I think that was down to something as simple as as long as you show them do something good at the end then that makes them a nuanced multi-layered character in their eyes but the way this is supposed to work is like they appear to have done despicable things on the surface but then when you dig a little deeper it's like you realize that they weren't as bad as they made out like maybe they covered for themselves a little bit and there was actually another motive behind what they were doing it's like okay fine that that makes a bit more sense now but with her it was just straight up yeah she tortures people she murders people tortures little kids quite happily she chops people what she spent her entire career doing is the bad things on behalf of somebody who she wanted to get revenge against and then realizing that she was a bad person came when she tried to kill somebody she's never met knows nothing about and has absolutely no reason to harm but is this person like a young Jedi in the first episode who is roughly the same age as her so that would have made him a youngling at the time of Order 66 exactly why that's actually a really good observation yeah why would she not break the line why would she not break the line why was that the stopping point as opposed to the woman whose hand she chopped off well I just want to make sure we keep this in mind we have no idea why she's desperately trying to kill Luke yeah it's on us so they put her in that position of having the ability to kill the main series character and she doesn't do it so Luke is literally only alive because she spared him was it that's what they wanted was there revenge on Obi-Wan maybe but I don't understand why what a way to get back at him he helped her though but he helped her he was like I'm luring Darth Vader to you that's what I'm saying though it's like I hate you because you weren't there to stop Vader so now I'll kill your children I can imagine that conversation in the writer's room because I can see it now I can see the bare bones of what would have made them think that this was a really good scene without realizing all of the other elements in playing their story that can't make it work I can imagine them thinking that would be a really great piece of drama to have in the finale oh well let's put Luke in danger because we know that everybody's gonna be super invested if Luke is in danger that'll be a really tense traumatic moment and it means that we can have some action with like Owen and she's weird because you know everything's supposed to work out a certain way so it's gonna be really tough for you to create tension with me but they would rebuke like ah but here's the thing we can use that as a parallel for what happens with Luke it's perfect it totally lines up and then you raise your hand it's like yeah but what about the rest of the story and what about the other 96% yeah this scene cannot be facilitated by the story that you've created I can't fucking believe that they actually showed young River where like I can't fucking believe and then I thought that was already over enough but then they have the flashbacks too exactly in case you're stupid you know that's unreal this is content made for stupid people I was gonna say what else can you conclude about that they don't trust you at all but people will say that it's really clever and interesting and smart like they'll say this while also saying stormtrooper bonked heads you can't criticize anything that happens in it these are ultimately extremely simple minded people the rightest all the consumers does it even more like I don't think even the room has shit this over with telling you the point I'm fed up with this world right at the end you have River sitting there going like oh I almost became like Darth Vader it's like you don't need to say it we get what's going on in your head that's the irony right in return of the Jedi when Luke's defeated Vader and you know he sees the hand chopped off and he looks at his own hand you must understand Mr Emperor I do not wish to become my father because he was corrupted I do not wish to be corrupted that would be bad I would like to you talk about symbolism of course cutting off the hand and then looking at your own hand that's not that subtle but it's enough that it's not telling you exactly what you need to think consider the line I am a Jedi like my father before me after that just happened that's great you have that example and here instead of just having Luke be there and then they need to put young River there too they can't just have like the scene be as it is and the symbolism come through in what is real and here as opposed to these crazy hallucinations and flashbacks that's the problem with like her whole motivation though like that could have happened to her at any time it's like wait I was a child you're right yeah nothing nothing unique special happens to her with this kill when she was torturing Leia that should have been the time yeah like what have I become moment and we're supposed to believe that she has been hunting down she's been hunting down plenty of Jedi of all ages this whole time I can't like it's so poorly done so fucking piss poor absolutely it's so poorly done I mean this has to be the clearest example you had access to everything you needed you had great actors you had any of the actors you really wanted were available for this and ready to do it you had all of the resources at your disposal to realize this without any major constraints budget wise or anything like that copyright right yeah you have access to this everything that you could want from the Star Wars canon you had everything but the script sucked it just taints everything speaking of the stocking I don't know if there's a funnier line in all of Disney Star Wars than Vader chasing Kenobi across the fucking universe landing a ship right next to him walking up to him and then saying have you come here to kill me hilarious I can't believe I can't believe that we all noticed that at once how can nobody else realize how stupid that was when they were making this and writing this when it's so obvious or ridiculous I mean did you think the setup for this was completely different initially and they basically a scene for a different story line well but Vader's dialogue is the easiest to play in the stadium I just realized there was a star destroying orbit how did Obi-Wan escape this is what that's what I was trying to talk about remember really early on when I said okay so this is how it works big ship and small ship that's what Obi-Wan is and that's what the big ship is the big ship couldn't hyperdrive yet they had some line about it and so I said like if Obi-Wan can hyperdrive he should just leave now I don't know why he hasn't yet but if he can't then he's fucked but it turns out he could so why the hell didn't he just hyperdrive away if you want to say really he was desperate to fight Vader it's like bro you need to live to fight another day yeah you remember Luke can remember that really important I fucking hate how much he does not you know what I think it was a courtesy flash yes I'm using that that doesn't sound like what I think it's about to mean when they were flash when they were doing the moving the boulders scene I think that was a courtesy flash of Luke when the writers realized like it's Leia Leia Leia Leia wait isn't Luke a character have we got anything of Luke or is that one scene where he looked into the binoculars throw that in fucking embarrassing that's possibly one of the most infuriating things about this whole show is that they've ruined our assessment that Kenobi was very invested in protecting Luke he just doesn't seem to give a fuck character's not herring has become quite a recurring theme also what was that anime shit of him picking up all those boulders I don't know I don't know what it is with the force has to be stronger and stronger and stronger and stronger it could never be what it was I always felt Kenobi was more of a really talented because he's like quite ingenuity guy, smart also really good swordsman pretty good with the force he's like not going to be as higher but remember like he just this is why I was going crazy I don't think Kenobi should be able to beat Vader in a strict force fight no I don't think so I think that one of the big you know how like because he's always so still and lumbering for the most part as well that a lot of what makes him scary is that in terms of his force capabilities he's basically unparalleled and also I can't believe I'm doing this again but Rogue One nailed it they were trapped in a hallway with the man and he was using the force in really interesting and cool ways that don't break any cannon he wasn't pulling starships down back to the planet and he wasn't ripping the hulls of ships apart with ease he wasn't making huge boulders fly around I agree that he shouldn't be able to pull that ship down but I guess the point that's being made here is that if you're going to like that is what Darth Vader would be more capable of doing than Obi-Wan like why aren't we when we think about the fights between these characters why are we thinking about their specialities in the force specialities as Jedi I would actually have conceded like if the fight involves Kenobi keeping up the sword fight but he keeps dropping boulders on Vader while they're fighting and Vader keeps deflecting them but it's just a lot for him we've talked about this before how do you get a really powerful person to be defeated it's like you need to stress them hardcore you have to get them to fight loads of things at once that's why it rags when you suggested like when's the time Riva should attack Vader it's like when he's grabbing the ship probably because that's going to be when he's distracted instead of just being like no Vader just loses to Kenobi even though he was overtly in him in episode three it's like yes but Obi-Wan had a little chat so that would be a great reason for the ship to escape it's because Riva attacked him well I mean a great reason for the ship to escape would be that Vader can't do that but beyond that yeah in the context of the show I'd Riva attack and then they can leave and by the way just did you truly think you could defeat me have you come to destroy me you are stronger but you're still weak I'm waiting for James Earl Jones available to do your voiceover still as Darth Vader you need to give the guy pure gold he's not they may just be giving him credit because they use his voice it's not him it's the robot they did credit him though no yeah I'll link you something that will explain it kind of let's put it this way right and this happened to all of us if you put his clips from the OT next to the ones from the show it'll become obvious yeah I guess special mention to the one thing I think I like in this whole show maybe I don't want to get too hyperbolic but it feels hard to compliment things and this is a writing thing the fact that Riva says something like which by the way is I guess supposed to imply she does know the nature of Luke's biology but how could she there's no way she should know that but whatever the fact that she says that to Uncle Owen and then he says he is my own I like that one tiny thing because you know what in a good season of Obi-Wan Kenobi we would have had plenty of time with Uncle Owen and Luke and we could see what their relationship was like there's always a lot to be said for a character like facing impossible odds knowing he's going to die but still refusing to give in and that's really what you got from him there so yeah it's good I kind of want to bolster that absolutely right like him facing off a Sith with a stick that's kind of amazing and it's just because of how poorly put together this whole fucking series is that that happened because it shouldn't really have happened at all but it gives you a bit of like man you know Uncle Owen is kind of a badass and I do like that he's just like what the fuck like why what do you even want and she's just like justice like she's Batman and he's just like you're giving me no context for this you just trying to kill a kid would you be more specific like if she said I know that boy gets in trouble but Jesus Christ what did he do I must kill the child for justice what did he do he's a good boy also Aunt Baru's plan I will hide and then slap her and punch her whatever it's like didn't you have a blaster you know what's interesting when she does when she has her like girl boss moment earlier in the episode like we should pick our positions now because she'll be coming just after sunset like that would be the optimal time to attack and then they completely don't pick their positions they're just kind of wondering about the farmstead I don't see why Knight would be the best time to come Knight would probably be the worst time to come I remember the specific line the specific line was she will come when the suns go down which was great line wouldn't it be better for Riven to be able to see where they are why would it benefit him the bright ass glowing lightsaber they're gonna see you it's easier for you to be ambushed at night you wanna come during the day where you could see better it would definitely make sense for them to be outside and fire at her when she's like half a mile away and is like she's got to cover an awful lot of open ground to get to them potentially you could wear her down with blaster fire and maybe score a lucky hit if we both shoot at the same time could you imagine if the plotline for season 2 is Leia gets kidnapped again we saw it again taken 2 it's just mouser abduxer episode 3 Vader turns up fucking beats Obi-Wan actually this time is like I'm gonna give you a pep talk and then you'll say Darth again it'll fit, it'll all fit, don't worry I just like to imagine that Leia goes like on all these adventures gets kidnapped all the time Luke's just chilling and Tatooine's like maybe Luke is the one that won out of the 2 of them what a horrific show yeah I'll be honest it was worse than I thought it was gonna be absolutely I end up saying pretty much every single fucking thing that Disney put out the totality of the damage is unreal beyond what I expected hyper incompetence there's so many mistakes they've made that they didn't need to make at all because we took issue with just the premise it's like why are you fucking with that fine we can try and make this work and you think of ideas and stuff but they just went nuts why did they decide to hire the most incompetent band of buffoons why is that a decision they made would you mean the writer the writers of the buffoons from the most high position you can get to at Disney down from there until you reach these people that question applies I think they probably have all of these priorities on a spreadsheet of what the episode needs to have as far as like you know we need at least two action scenes or whatever they probably have shit tons of that and then the actual writing process is just a matter of forcing all that stuff in it's just a fucking sad state of affairs the whole thing it is sad and it's just one in a long line of more shit this is just the next one prepare yourselves for what is the next thing and or oh I guess I meant I guess I was including all Disney content so is it Thor Love and Thunder is next or open up your mouth everyone here comes the sludge thank you so much for joining us on this journey who knows what the next one will be it's been a journey it's been an adventure being an adventure we're happy at the end there will be a supercut of the all Kenobi episodes together and there may be some extra bits here and there and there and also maybe at the end so I wouldn't mind looking at what the comments are for this one but we can only do that a little bit later so yeah look out for the supercut that'll come out too anyway anything anyone wants to say before we wave goodbye to the nice people no I don't feel triumphant I don't feel like I feel like I feel bad it was fun it was fun kind of I think it's because we've just accepted that these shows are terrible and Star Wars is going to be just more and more dragged through the sludge and ruined as time goes on and once you kind of just sort of accept that as the fate of something that you once loved they're running out of places to ruin but I guess they can just keep doing the same ones yeah I mean in theory there is a bottom most point that they can get to in theory right they always think that but then they find a way to dig deeper maybe one day it won't make enough money for them to continue shitting on it I don't know maybe have you seen these fans? no these people eat this shit up they would just lower the budget I think they would bring in Jaja that's the emergency Binks a Star Wars story Wisa going home goodbye everyone goodbye Toodaloo Noobie oh my god super secret ending that wasn't a part of any other upload but only this one where we check out one of the things you guys were saying after we put up the sixth one woohoo was this part of any other upload? this won't be a part of any other upload if you can believe that wait so this is just this is just special for the people watching the super guy it's such good boys and girls it's going to be a selection of people who were watching the super guy because they had nothing to do that night and they were like this will be fun and then they're being heard right now they're seeing this and they're like whoa no one else has seen this like no no one else has seen this secret special surprise we're going to look at what was said Fidelio chat comment showcase blah blah blah we paid money all the metal this fuck we paid metal all the money this time to do the song okay everyone else was not paid that's why they did we got our money's worth definitely alrighty we'll go reverse order this time how about that I guess I'll be rags first instead of ringing I believe you've seen this before rags this is amusing now it's giving a link it's not giving a picture I'll click on it I'll click alright riva decides not to kill an innocent child whose home she rated what an inspirational redemption arc 9 out of 10 IGN there are plenty of people who thought it was really good including but not limited to red letter media for some reason I'll never understand that but that's fine I do not get it I don't get it it's the kind of thing they'd make fun of in a best of the worst episode it's like oh the film is trying to say the film says she's got a redemption arc but all she did was not you know killing an innocent child whose home she rated for no reason that's not a very strange video very weird that they would clap for that when it's literally something you could put into a parody movie I'm going to pull down a fucking ledge and hit his head yeah just the overall journey that she went on it was just fucking nuts and half baked and terrible but yeah we'll see more riva one day and it'll be great no okay this is just how it rolls out I'm sorry Mel this one's for you oh that's a long boy oh yeah did the writers just forget that Thai fighters exist they did multiple times seriously a bunch of the empire's problems would be solved if they just sent out some Thai fighters Kenobi and Leia escaping the planet sent some Thai fighters Kenobi and Leia escaping the fortress sent some Thai fighters choosing between Kenobi or the rebels sent some Thai fighters Kenobi flying away after his invaders duel sent some Thai fighters or even just use the Star Destroyer you have an orbit or really nice to be about this show is that if Kenobi just kept doing his job and stayed on Tatooine then everything would be fine riva would realize she was wrong and will likely be punished for kidnapping a senator's daughter although since riva nothing bad would happen to her since it's riva nothing bad would happen to her and Leia would go back to Alderaan literally everything just saws itself if Kenobi actually acted like Kenobi yeah pretty funny because I hadn't even thought about how yeah if he stayed in his cave nothing would have gone wrong should have stayed stanky that's right he's like well we can't nap Leia we're waiting okay keep waiting he'll go to the Senate he's like this is fucked up someone's taking my daughter can you help in some way shape or form and eventually it comes out that riva's the one that's done it they actually probably kill her I don't even know exactly what kind of punishment they'd have because she's not exactly highly respected at that point they call her third sister derogatorily sometimes it seems and they call my brother sometimes they say that she is from the gutter all that sort of stuff yeah I think she may have been killed Leia would then have been found because the people who stole it wouldn't even know what they're supposed to do exactly oh well I guess we'll give it back and then Bale would get it back and then Obi-Wan would be like so how did it go after and he's like yeah I mean not really anything to report we might improve security maybe I want to see a comedy show that centers around Riva and her gang of misfits trying to cover up for the dumb idea that they have after it doesn't work and it's just episode after episode of them trying to get Leia like reverse kidnapped get her back into Alderaan into her room without anybody noticing them and they even try and cut with an alibi that they torture her into saying like I was I ran off somewhere and I just stayed there for a while I wasn't kidnapped nobody did anything to me they could do some heartwarming thing where Leia takes pity on Riva and in the in the gang and she's like oh you just wanted to find a Jedi because I guess she doesn't know what those are you know and she kind of is like don't worry I won't tell you're not that bad you're just misunderstood and then it ends like I don't know like a heartwarming hallmark Christmas story this one's for me wait so Riva leaves her lightsaber in the sand too according to Disney Rey buries two lightsaber in the sand two lightsabers in the desert at least for a while before digging them up again and there were other Jedi hiding on Tatooine who probably buried their lightsabers as well suddenly I really want to see a robot chicken sketch about an unlucky jawa who can't find anything in the desert but lightsabers which are considered worthless because there's so many buried on Tatooine they sell for like a penny because it's like oh yeah you got one of them huh do you trip over it in the desert it's like oh god damn it they still um they still seem so incredibly valuable to me those items absolutely yeah as they should be it feels like they probably should have weaponized them in other ways by now especially if the Empire just have full access to them fuck I hated the fact that they just show her cut open the door with it yeah what a mistake oh Jay you got a long one Joey oh that's super long yeah she's not okay with killing a Luke but she is okay with torturing a lair weird, curious well you know killing is a step further than torturing I suppose totally makes sense I mean she's like she works for the child killing organization that has a child like a dead child on display we've all worked for child killing on a z child killing organization the scene would have been way better if she had the time to actually torture lair and right as the machine is reaching her she does stop it and then lair is like confused and maybe I have a couple of stormtroopers in the area who are just like and then Riva has to like try and cover for it in some way she performs so we can at least see it's like ah she's not willing to torture children that's nice that would be a good thing to know about our character it turns out she just is torturing children man way to go oh hey Fringy you got a big one an actual big one okay man we really have reached peak this didn't happen levels of writing haven't we like Obi-Wan Kenobi had Darth Vader dead to rights confirmed he was evil and just allowed him to live that didn't happen they couldn't have uh they couldn't even bother to contrive a lame reason why their fight had to end inconclusively like say the planet falling apart underneath them he literally just turns around and says yup job done he'll never do any harm again and the idea that Aunt Baru and Uncle Owen somewhat successfully fought off a Sith in their own home and that Luke Skywalker encountered a Sith and had the force used on him that didn't happen that literally couldn't have happened not given the way Luke acts about Jedi the Sith and the force being so emotionally close to Obi-Wan she acts like she barely knows him in a new hope and she doesn't seem very emotionally affected by his death she's the one consoling Luke as if the very brief bond they shared was the more meaningful one when their show would have you believe that Leia and Luke were thicker thieves this didn't happen this whole show didn't happen um this comment essentially represents uh what I would say is like when you've you've pushed it too far and it's just like unbelievable um not even not even just a matter of ah that's absurd but more so like nah just I don't believe that this happened like this if I am to accept these two stories as having taken place it just it doesn't it can't work it is so lacking in um coherence it just it just doesn't line up like Han Solo uh Cthulhu Black Hole you just don't buy it um yeah it's also good where it says when the show would have you believe Luke and Leia were thicker thieves I think I was supposed to say Leia and Kenobi oh like yeah whoops it's all good though I follow and yeah I agree uh too much stuff is so out of place that it's just like so what was this it's not canon obviously yeah it's it's how can you watch a new hope and look at the way that Luke like how do you how do you square away that these events happen and of course Obi-Wan Darth Vader just leaving him there that's probably the clearest example something I've uh thought about have you noticed that it's a pretty common trend um in like the 6 episode Disney plus shows that like because you need the mandated action scenes you will have the hero and the villain like fight more frequently than they really need to you know like how whenever you put these two forces together at some point one is going to prevail over the other and end the story um and so that limits the amount of times that you'll often I mean a lot of video games will have you fight the big bad once you lose then you fight them again and you win yeah like that but because you need two action scenes um the amount of times that these conflicts happen becomes so frequent but you can't have the show end so you always need to find some way to have them fight without there being any consequences and in this case we had two of those Obi-Wan fights Darth Vader he loses but then he's just sort of allowed to leave and then he wins at the end but then he has to leave because Darth Vader is still alive like the more often you have to force conflict and because you're you have different like because your motives in terms of writing are just warped the more often you have to contrive circumstances where the bad guys will be able to get away or the good guys will be able to get away either the world breaks or the characters break to facilitate this dumb mandate that seems to be persistent in all of these shows it doesn't have to be this way either in terms of there could be stakes to any fight between a hero and a villain have something something up in the air other than the either of their lives yeah but like level of imagination well