Good afternoon. Welcome to the last session before lunch. This is Christoph Berg's talk on the future of the NM process Thanks, Nettie for the introduction. Actually, it will be a discussion round So I thought originally it would be a much smaller forum. So I Haven't prepared much slides. I just took the mail I sent to Debian project and Debian you made some days ago some of you might have already read it and Put it into some slides So that's why the first slide is that disclaimer. It's only meant to be proposal. So nothing has been said yet and credits for that proposal gay go to Anthony Towns who made In his block a proposal that I'm going to extend here and Mark brought it with whom I've been discussing this Recently so the the aim here is to get input feedback and finally To get this eventually or something else Implemented or maybe something else. So if it turns out that Our ideas here do not fit in the current she more. There's something that's much better So the current process works like a prospective new developer maintainer Creates a package gets a sponsor to to upslows it then works on the package for a bit Hopefully with some bug fixing new upstream packages versions and so on so this Work done on the on the package then he gets an existing developer to advocate his application Then he applies for the new maintainer process waits for an application manager this Last time I checked that step took about seven months. I think we're down a bit at the moment Then there's the nm process which can take anything between Some days and several months or even years depending on how fast the the mail exchange is how fast the am is how fast The new maintainers and so on and then wait for the devian account manager to create the account the last step used to be also some Real big delay in the past, but this has been Reduced greatly a lot and the queue has been even down to zero just before dep conf So there are quite some problems with that approach at in the meantime, so I've mentioned something as some before The people who apply are frustrated because their application managers are Unresponsive they have to wait at several stages and finally they might even have a Wrong impression on how long this is going to take so They might think they would they apply now they can rush through immediately, but that's not really the case on the other hand we have Haven't had enough application managers, which is Maybe also the case because the whole process takes too long. So application managers get exhausted get bored or whatever and Finally it's the current scheme is a bit boring for either side the the templates have to be filled out and And so on it's some people that have fun Answering this quiz questions some some don't We've been discussing Or talking about AM stuff this morning so We now have maybe a better a better idea of how the templates are actually supposed to work So we will not talk that much about that here, but More on the next slide. By the way, how many application managers are here? So about let's say 10 or so People in the new maintainer process People who have completed it recently Okay, two and people who are not applying because they think it takes all too much time or something like that to Okay, so three Okay, so the idea is to Make the process a bit to introduce an intermediate step in the new maintainer process which is called Debian maintainer the term is due to Anthony and the ideas to Let the maintainer of that package upload the package himself after some initial time of sponsoring and then When when they get a bit more experience with that May proceed to becoming a full dev in developer developer So this is not meant to reduce the amount of people becoming a developer, but only to ease the process a bit so What I'm proposing is the the initial phase works like just like before You create create a package get it sponsored then You contribute to Debian in various ways You work on the package do bug fixing Whatever then you might get the second package do other contribution and Whatever contribution you can think of and then finally after a Minimum amount of three months You can apply for the new Debian maintainer step in between the idea why we are introducing a minimum time here is that We have the impression that way too many applicants a play way too early and not yet ready for the process which Makes it quite tedious to for the application manager to go with them through the process because they have to The applicant has to look up everything gets the answers wrong and the first try the Application manager has to nitpick in all sorts of answers and this is not fun for either side and And the things I put in italic here ask those Where I think needs really discussion, but of course I said at the beginning we can discuss the whole thing and do something entirely else so as before you get an advocate apply for Debian maintainer then you get an Application manager assigned which is hopefully much faster than before Then there's the DM process which looks like Very light version of the previous new maintainer process though There's an ID check As before so we know that who you are when you are uploading packages and there and then there should be some Really really stripped down version of the nm templates or whatever scheme the a m wants to to use Which just contains the things you really need to know to work on a single package Then When this is finished you can use your GPG key to open this to upload this very package There's no account yet. No Debbie not account yet So it's pretty much similar to the the sponsoring scheme before except that you can upload yourself and Every upload which would go to the new queue would Need another sponsoring upload. So this is so named bumps other packages and whatever Okay, the next step is then More contribution again for a minimum of three months to have people a bit more skilled Of course time is not the only factor that into Influences that and then in the second step which Actually looks like what we have now. So there's another application Application manager and then there's the DD process as before and then you get to become a developing developer So there are some random notes on that. I'm going just to skip that now Some things I've been thinking on there was a big discussion in I think April it was when mark posted is his new maintainer process thoughts on project, I think it There were some proposals to Call developer something else and so on. I don't think we can Recently change developer to to be something else So we just keep that and I like the term Debian maintainer very much because it's just that's what people are doing They are maintaining packages Maintainer is a familiar word in the Debian context and it just sounds all nice There was some Proposal naming it concontributor, but I don't really like that Okay, hi, I'm I'm madduck and I wonder what we're gonna do with translators, etc. People that Contribute but aren't actually maintaining Okay the question is Which types of Debian developers do we want to have at the moment? We have packages and you can use the documentation track to apply for an M there have been a few people who went through that and some of them ended up releasing edge and I think the discussion Would whether we want to have translators artists lawyers and so on as Debian developers is a different from that one here That's a different discussion. We should Have at some point, but that's not what we want to cover here Nettie. I'm relaying something from my RC from Basak Sutika He says this proposal seems to rely on the idea that magically they're going to appear more ams However, these ams also need to do more work if I understand it correctly So it doesn't seem likely more ams will step forward. Could you comment on that? Yes, I said in the beginning. I think in my opinion the current process Is bad because there are too many board of the whole thing and If we have an intermediate step, which is easier to to get to and people will Be more skilled when they apply for the full Debian developership So it will be more fun for the application managers to work with them and on the other hand We don't intend to People to stay in the Debian maintainer stage, but of course they can so I can imagine that Maybe half. I don't know fourth or three quarters or whether whatever of all people Won't proceed to the full Debian developer ship and then there will be less applicants. So Again, that's not not the intention to have less Debian developers, but I think there Will be more successful applications which will Make Working as an application manager more fun a bit Like adding to what you just commented what Maddox said and similar. I think that We should I mean if we go this way, we should integrate all these well Finally, it's an ovumism. We Search for a better word. We don't really have people who are not maintainers Being developers in Debian. So I do think that on one hand this Like intermediate step will make the process shorter or maybe two processes which change together will be a bit longer A longer, but people will be happier But it also opens the door for having a the other roles recognize officially and it will be it will really allow people to To officially join the project doing something else than coding So I think your proposal having it together with parallel proposals for the different roles that Debian person maybe the term will not be devian developer anymore a devian official member will do Is it is bound for success, but if we take into a into the project the other tasks I am here. I Agree with I agree with Gunnar on this completely and I think that Debian is in a problem problematic position where it Focuses too much on technical people and forgets about the community part where The community needs to have a balance between technical and less technical more social oriented people We must not forget that community is a social thing not necessarily a technical one and by Creating a monoculture of technical people. We run into more problems Yeah, and I agree with this Debian person whatever concept that Gunnar suggests Okay about that As the first point on that slide here is that I think it we will have to we will keep the term devian developer for all Debian persons be they Laura's or artists or whatever just because it worked I don't Think that this proposal is meant to get To enable other tracks to get into Debian It's just meant to because we have the the the vast amount of people applying for NM at the moment are Packages and we have a problem with that getting them through in the in a time that doesn't suck So we have to do something that they are what what I'm going to do here Well two things we are changing a couple of things for internationalization so We are adding France give the idea and others talk. We are adding the concept of Translation our new ownership So it will be easy to treat the translator as a developer because he would take care of some Translations, so it's not that different anymore. So if you have Significant translations inside the project will we will able will we will be able to track this and So it's almost the same track of developer for translations and probably for documentation also And the other thing is today in the morning We speak with the game to developer that is attending the conference And we are talking with him about how is the process to get to became into developer and they use mentor kind of Approach you have to be in contributing for at least six months And I'm not sure about every every detail But you have to be in contributing for six months then somebody start to taking care of you and volunteer to be your mentor inside of the process and Takes some responsibility for everything that you do and after that Eventually you became again to developer with less responsibility, but both rides and after that You can apply but with very deeply technical tests and it looks like similar what we are doing now like adding a Middle stage and that's one of the things that I at least would like to discuss about Changing I saw a couple of ideas about changing the application manager for mentorship So it's one of the things that I would like to comment from people that are Applicant managers or something like that if you think that could work better or worse Or if what depends depends on the new maintainer process or on the on the applicants or something like that? One thing that was clear from the cushion the discussion this morning was that the the application manager is really free to do Whatever he wants with the applicant so most are using the templates as we know it at the moment, but If the application manager wants to do a mentoring scheme Or whatever that's perfectly fine We the W an account manager even said that he's fine with an applicant that didn't do anything in the process Well, the applicant just the application manager just Provided enough pointers to mailing list postings bug reports and so on which is based on previous work by the applicant so Kind of in that scheme here is a bit of orthogonal to How the actual application is done in the end? I don't know was first France We had an interesting discussion I think yesterday that we may even have to reduce the size of Debian in some respects Because there is a lot of technical discussions Or the project is kind of lacking direction Sometimes and it would maybe be easier easier to Make decisions after as project if Some decisions would be taken by less people So you could think of going to Debian core developer and having the larger body of People that are really only interested in maintaining one package or translations or documentation around it That's Yet another different issue I Personally don't want to to reduce the number of Debian developers at the moment or reduce the number of people successfully applying Maybe it will turn out that Let's say 50% of all people applying at the moment are just happy with uploading their own package They can do pretty much everything with a With it they want then if they can upload it. So Maybe it will turn out that we get some kind of meter Developer around there, but that's not the intention of that scheme here On the other hand, I don't think that Debian is actually to that big too big at the moment There are lots of discussions on devil or whatever that end in nothing because no one steps forward and implements stuff So I I think if you just go ahead and do stuff You can get your solution Although this prompts that the idea that it should be kind of easier to get into but it should also be kind of Easier to get out of Debian. I don't mind if we started coming out with a process in which packages Which are effectively not maintained get orphaned and people who are actually doing nothing Stop being Debian developers and it's not a bad thing if it's easy to go back If someone hasn't been doing anything in Debian for three years then probably That's that doesn't count as a Debian developer anymore But once this person wants to come back maybe a little bit briefing of what changed and Persons back in we have a married to stuff which kind of worked Which was to a bit of a respite reply to France what I wanted to say about your process It's got it's got a couple of things. I don't like one is it's 12 points And that is more than seven plus minus two Six yeah, that's twice as much as it should be which means I mean It's it's hard to remember all the points because it's more than seven plus minus two obviously Which means it's it's too bureaucratic If it's too hard to even remember what the points are it's Sounds like too complicated Which for something which is getting accepted into Debian if you are too complicated to begin with then Then you end up in In an exaggerated amount of trouble when you actually deploy when you get to the corner cases And that that's what scares me the most the most and the second thing that Quite scares me is if it's too easy to get upload privileges I see like a mass of Ubuntu more two people started uploading stuff in Debian which wouldn't be maybe a bad thing But when installing packages, I may want to have a choice if I really want to install packages from people who haven't read the policy Very well, and that sort of things So I'm kind of scared at the idea of what kind of packages would I find in my aptitude list if I Opened like if I made it too easy to put packages in yeah, yeah, right That's one of the concerns. I also have here To comment on the complex complexity thing. I don't think it's too complicated. It's just two times what we have now and the Step this is step zero step one and two just look the same It's just the slide looks similar because I was too lazy to too lazy to format it and the ideas that there is some Really visible amount of package that is has been done on the in the BTS Uploading the package and so on before the people get to to up really To get the upload rights So it's just like you have been your sponsor and you have been sponsoring That guy for some time and he did three or four or whatever uploads and it all works fine And you expect the next one to be the same. So why should the funders still be bothered with that? Yeah, I will I have one little comment who Enrico right now if you are going out of the project leaving this Defined procedure by mailing the key key ring admins and many given private There's an easier way to get back in if you are outside for a long time. We have defined Some templates for the emeritus developer which have less than half the questions of the other stuff Just to ensure they are up to date with what's happening in Debian So it's not that hard to get back in Debian if you really want to I was wondering if There was any research being done on the normal or average behavior model way of behavior of Uploaders, I guess there are very different people around people who fix bugs lots of bugs and do NM use people who do group maintenance ship and people are perhaps others who only care about their single mp3 player or so has anyone Done this research and what was the result? How are these distributions and? Which answer do you which questions do you want to answer in with that proposal? No, I wonder about what kind of persons do we have as Debian developers? if You suppose to have this Debian uploader. I'm I forgot the name Debian maintainer How many Debian maintainers do we have already I? I Can't say anything about the numbers, but from what I've seen browsing the archive it's Maybe half of the the maintainers that only have very very few packages that get Two uploads a year or something like that So others want to comment on that Have I led the question for some time now Thank you. I just wanted to reply to an encore as well Concerning the Ubuntu Moto stuff. I mean if we introduce this intermediary level Debian maintainer it's only to give rights to people who have been sponsored like usual It means people who do good work and we check who have package which are policy compliant. So I don't see any problem here and if over time problem appears, I mean bugs in RC bugs will be tracked like usual and They will be fixed if they don't get fixed by the maintainers themselves and we remove the package again and I mean it's just a normal way We're working the reason I mentioned Moto is because I have been visible for a while in the Italian in the Ubuntu community and I regularly get requests from Moto people who would like to upload stuff in Debian because it's kind of cooler and So that kind of scares me a bit So I tell them that like well, yeah, it's nice.  It's really good what you do But well, there's lots of like policy stuff like in that been you have to follow and you should Most than ever you should have a goal for yourself for being a developing not just look cool But it's usually like half an hour long talks trying to work out What's the real motivation and not just you know, you were Ubuntu user you became Ubuntu Moto It's cooler. You want to become a Debian developer It's even cooler and that's just not like what it works That leads to a lot of frustration and since I see there is a request Then that kind of scares me a bit to make to open too many doors at least every is the cooler distribution That's why we want to ensure that there's Reusable amount of work done in Debian before they can apply those. So this is the biggest open question So far so Manoj has had a question for some time. I have a comment in a rather Somewhat inflammatory question. I'll go with the question first What are our goals? Do we want to be a social club or are we trying to improve to produce the best? Distribution of Linux ever if we are trying to be a social club then yes We should lower the standards and the lower the barriers of entry We all has anybody asked the release team about what they feel about a whole bunch of Not quite experienced people directly uploading Rafael mentioned that we can just fix RC bugs Anybody has had a look at the RC bug count recently. Are we sure we want to be lowering? The what it takes to get a package into Debian without anybody looking over your package My comment which is not so inflammatory was about People who have gone away who are missing its simple security, you know principle of these privilege If they have not uploaded packages in 12 months, they don't need the privilege of uploading packages and that privilege should be Removed until they ask for it again. It can be just a simple matter of saying yet. Okay. I'm ready to upload again Give me my privilege back So in my opinion more still a technical project. So we don't need Everyone who contributes socially on IRC to be a developer I see a reason for Acknowledge others to be a member of the project, but as said at the moment We are talking about the technical side of the project. We have packages distributions and so on and have Want the people that do want to take care of that to get in less painfully funds I tend to agree with Enrico's and and also managers concerns and One solution could maybe be that packages uploaded by people like that stay in unstable Until they become DD or unless a Debian developer is willing to accept responsibility for those packages by By being an uploader for that package so Then this won't change anything. So what you're proposing is just a sponsor scheme we have now So the intermediate step here What the proposal doesn't have is a no-op Well, but why should they upload packages that are not released? And the idea is not that they are not maintaining it anymore. Okay, the the question or the answer for Franco what what happens with if those people do not Proceed to become a developer and we have lots of packages in stable by those people if they are they not going to be maintained anymore So I don't think that's a point. I do see the point that We have people uploading there that have not gone through full Nm yet, but on the other hand we have at the moment we trust every developer to handle his packages correctly and No one takes care of that anymore. So it's pretty much the same So there's a couple of questions on the other side of the audience Okay, it's open. Okay being that I have the microphone. I have the next word a Well, this is a very hard point to address I think and that's the reason everybody's jumping on it. I Am of the opinion that this first step well for current nm. We have to go through a the technical part and through the social part and I think well, yes, we have to focus on technical quality our distribution is widely known as the as the most perfect one as the most Carefully prepared one. So maybe the the answer will be okay. If we are allowing a People to contribute directly to the to the beyond before being completely committed and completely tested to it Maybe the first step should be the technical one in the end we will not allow for example for a Debian maintainer to upload the new packages without being sponsored that rules out problems with licenses unless the license Changes a half way through the process. Yes. We're not allowing them to do nm use. We're not allowing Many things. Yes. So I think we we could implement something like this focusing first on technical abilities and again, I take again this idea of of Putting many parallel processes for the different kinds of contributions But for maintainers we will focus first on the technical things and then for people who want to be a developer and want to vote they will have to go also through the DS a D the guidelines, I mean Spelling in English is terrible a well If I really quick point to So if I could raise a really quick point about the sponsorship thing if you are sponsoring a package in Debian That means that you personally are responsible for the content of the package the person who actually prepared the package It's great if they fix RC bugs. It's great if they keep track of the package in stable It's great if they help as a real Debbie maintainer should but when you sign that upload and you make that upload You're saying that you are personally responsible for the contents of that package if that Debbie and maintainer or if that person who's not yet a Debbie developer falls off the face of the planet You're responsible for that package if you don't want to be responsible. You don't sponsor it And so I mean that's one of the things that sponsors Maybe we need to improve the process for sponsoring so that people who are sponsoring packages understand what that means But that's really what it means to sponsor a package Manage earlier on said that or ask the question whether we are a social club or whether you're producing the best operating system And I would say we should do both because the social club that we are I mean look at us We're partying every day here depth confine. I think it doesn't necessarily decrease our productivity I think as a matter of fact in the long term it really adds to the project and enables us to do a lot more So you shaking your head right now Manage, but That that's my opinion. I do at this I really as we have a little time left, but I quickly want to throw it another thought About how Debbie and keeps increasing increasing and this is you know, don't comment on it There's nothing to do with this talk But there's also some security issues to me Involved with the fact that we have 1,000 maintainers currently that have right access to the archive We keep adding more and more, but we're not really dealing with these security implications That as a matter of fact introducing children's that's going to be really easy Just think about that and talk to me if you want to Okay, I would like to add a remark agree with medic and Manage said we had about a thousand RC bug. That's true. But how many bugs of Are due to people who are not deviant developers?  So what we have to do is fix our process so that we manage them But I don't think it's right to point the deviant maintainer or new maintainer process as a guilty of this problem and a second and a second remark I would like to Share see that I know someone with a tech expert and it would really like to manage some tech packaging within the band But it was really scared with the full Devian developership it would be perfectly happy with this deep and maintainer process It would have like three tech packages that no one else wants that are currently orphaned and that would get Removed in a few months. They would take care of them without any problem So I do think it's a good thing to introduce this level of deviant maintainer Yeah, I mean I also share the view that at the moment a sponsor should be responsible for the package They're sponsoring. Can you say why well, can you say can you give some concrete examples of checks that you think we need to Perform for a deviant developer, but not for some a deviant maintainer who can or who can upload directly And why we don't need to do those checks As Kunar said the the whole DFSG stuff could be skipped because they are not allowed to allow new Sorry, you can check the contents of packages are not static. Yes, but Well, you have to cut it at some point and how often does that happen quite often packages For example link add some other bit of software into different license It may be incorrect may be an invalid combination of licenses some documentation under a non-free license, so on Well, but that would be the responsibility of the visit is sorry That would be the responsibility of the to check the spawner that from the beginning Of course if the the contents change that they can now upload directly. So how does Yeah, but okay the I think that the case that the content or the license of the package actually changes Doesn't have happened that often Okay, so if you agree that's a problem, we have to discuss it here. So but time is running out quick I have one two things that I will as a proportion Propose I will propose two things one is that you should probably have a Role that is called the band community member Kind of person that are not developer, but I'm making rollouts installations Helping people using the system This is just a thing. I will propose. Okay, the other thing is that in DBM 80 you have a lot of people committing a lot of things to our own Repository and we use to the DBM developer to do quality insurance if you're gonna have some packages new things Uploaded and or improving some things that we have 50 people contributing with just five DBM developers That really doing the as I see the quality Insurance and have a standard to rise to so this should be a negative thing It's just positive things that people can help each other and then Somebody are probably much better persons making a contribution to DBM. They should be leading that part of the branch of the project so we have To be too strict on how to do this you exclude people that can't contribute so put this together You have this is also a different issue here We want to have this we are talking about the process that gets people into the debbing key ring and Gets them access to projects machines. Well, that's really the process. We are talking about And I think be Dale had a question a comment or yes There are There have been several concerns about allowing too many people in Debian and the risk That are very computer and technically and that we can We can see them sometimes have some examples often in the note Someone who is very competent and we need him to be a developer as soon as possible And there are several You can be Now and not in six months now So to me that means we have to make the new maintain our process more technical More because we have to be more strict about people And we have the other side to be to lower the barrier for people that can help a lot the The proposition was to that we have a lot of people helping and we want them Into Debian as fast as possible and that we Well need a way to get people in Yeah, this is how the the precise process works was discussed this morning, so I'm not going to repeat this I think we are running out of time really really now so be there I just wanted to comment that when Manoj asked the question earlier about do we want this to be the best Technical distribution or a social club to me the answer is completely and unequivocal It's completely obvious what the answer is and that is that we're trying to create the best distribution the extent to which people are willing to sponsor events like this one and other things which Help to improve our social interactions or as developers are entirely because We understand that these sorts of activities are crucial for helping people to be more productive and working together Not because there's any desire on anybody's part to provide Sponsorship for free vacations to strange and exotic places or things like this I think it's important for all of us to remember this it is really pretty Fundamental and when we're thinking about all of this stuff while I am completely in favor of finding ways to recognize and to Thank people who provide Contributions to the project in ways other than fixing RC bugs We really have to stay focused on what the core objective of the Debian project and the surrounding community right Simon's I think sort of to sum up the discussion here What what I've noticed from all of these comments is we don't actually know why We want to change the new maintainer process We haven't figured out like what requirements are like who who what kind of people are we trying to get into Debian? like because yes, it is a good idea to get people who are Who are good at working with one another who we can all work well with as well as Be of a high technical caliber But which kinds of people are we selecting and this is why we have all all of this discussion because I don't think we all agree On the type of people we want coming into Debian We have to figure out that before we can actually design a proper new maintainer process Thank you Okay, how many time do we have left none? Man minus more than Chris, okay. Well, it's lunchtime. So At the ground I Was just one last remark I'm interested in your opinion on whether this is a good proposal or not So can we just make us a quick poll who thinks this proposal like what Chris have said is good Just what we have now, of course, so who thinks this should be implemented in some way Similar to this raise your hands Who thinks it's about Ten people and who thinks it's not a good idea About About the same. Yes, who has other plans or would no opinion so everyone who has Remarks that have not been addressed in the discussion and wants to as an idea of a different scheme what we should do should please talk to me or AJ and So we can see what we can do here so well, I think thanks for coming and We are all for lunch now


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It's a rom-com-rom. A spoiled young adult living in Mumbai experiences a change in his lazy ways when he meets a woman at a party who inspires him to wake up. Nice synopsis. Wake up. Yeah, where was this in the scope of his career? Obviously it was before a lot of the other things. Director of Yai Duan I Duan Duan and Suedez. You love that Suedez, don't you? Suedez. It's a, it's a, it's a really, really renowned director. It is clearly early on, but how early is this in his film career? Ranbir. Let me look it up. I need to start making the list of the films you've watched and haven't watched. Yeah. Maybe with Alexis as well. Also because I can't make a list and watch them myself because. I know. Y'all, I don't even know what the real name of the Deborah film is. Because that's all I've ever heard, and I haven't seen... Like, Unda-Hunda-Hunda-Hun. Yeah. Hold on. It's not on his IMBb page. No, it is. Okay. But it's Ranbeer's, right? Yes. That's Ranbeer. One of his earliest credits. Alien number three. Black. Hold on. Body double for Amatok sitting by the water fountain. Oh, my goodness. That is a trivia question. Did you guys know that? I'm sure they did. That's amazing. Ranbeer was a body double for Big B sitting by the fountain. Yes. I love that that credit is on his IMBb page. Oh, yeah. So he has that, and then he has Alien number two. That is... That's better. Which came way after he was already established. Of course. He probably got Alien number two because of how good a job he did as Big B's body double at the fountain. He's not Alien number two anymore. He's like, Big B's bottom double. Oh, that's a... It could be a tongue twister. Big B's body double. Big B's bottom double. Reminds me of the episode friends. Big B's body double. Big B's body double. He was hanging by the water fountain. He was hanging by the water fountain. He was hanging by the water fountain. He was hanging by the water fountain. He was hanging by the water fountain. He looked like it was Ranbeer. It's probably getting copyrighted. Rule number one. Okay, so this was... This is the first thing on his resume. You can tell me if I'm wrong. Be my body double. I recognize that... Did you just slap her? No.  This is like one of the first things... Ranbeer became a Western from the recommendations of his. Yeah. Ranbeer gave me a recommendation that I didn't see. Wow. He has a few other things I don't know, but I've never seen those recommended. Right. So prior, so maybe Wake Up Sid was his kind of breakthrough after everybody saw him as the body double. Wake Up. I can't believe he's a body double. That's fantastic. I love that... I think it's so good. That's a credit on IMDb. I don't want that bed... Is that rolling in the credits after the film? I hope so. Big beast body double by the fountain, Ranbeer. Big beast body double... We're gonna look at each other. Big beast body double. Big beast body double... Big beast body double... Big beast body double... Big beast body double... Big beast body double... Fun off rails. It's still amazing if it's worth a watch. We should put the cashews. We should put in the cheese. the cheese. If it's worth a watch it has been recommended a lot. I want to watch black again just to watch him be the big bee buddy though. Big bee's buddy.


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Luis Aaron said he thought you were on the attack right away today. Did you feel that way? Yeah, I was feeling pretty good. I was getting behind the count Couple d counts over there, but you know, I think I was commanding more my fast with a couple hours. I hope What felt Much better and what still felt like it needed some work from what you've been dealing with lately I think they're holding her runners and first, you know, I've been doing a bad job A lot of steals, you know in the past a few games So I think I was doing a better job and my command, you know, the change I was there I got a couple strikeout and change and slider. I think was way better than a couple of hours And how about what are the things that you still feel like that's not quite all the way back to where it needs to be?  I think Today, I think I got like four or five guys, you know Nah, first me first, right? So I need to get better than that When you think about that you have 16 wins despite some of these recent struggles That's still you have to feel pretty good about that.  So every time, you know, I go to the mountain that was supporting me We got a lot of runs Who has it been like to watch and do hard and just how consistently hot he has been?  I remember last time I didn't hit a single, you know But he's been great, you know, it's his approach to the place hitting the ball, you know, right field center field all the way Do you feel like you're close to being the same picture that you were in the first half? What do you feel still a little bit different? I feel pretty good, you know, I think Most of the game I was, you know, dominant, you know The last thing that you are through a good change out there, you know Ground is all very hot, you know, hit a double there and then Smoke, you know, hit a single but before that everything everything was great, you know Feeling pretty good, you know, my body feels strong and my confidence is the way up It's pretty important for him to say because his last seven starts He was pitching to an ERA of about seven and a half and the result I think he was perplexed over that time trying to figure some things out why the fastball wasn't getting guys out in the Sharp break on the slider seems like he may have answered some of those questions today I think he did but he also admitted, you know, there are still things that I can get better at I can still do a better job of getting strike one But I think back to what David Cohn was talking about during the broadcast that a pitcher needs to have some success Before the confidence comes back and more importantly for Severino when we've seen him at his best There's a body language that he has a lot of energy out on the mound That's been lacking when you get beat up a little bit I look forward to the next outing after the five good innings figured some things out You go to work again on the side I want to see that body language come back at the end of August and into September


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The chief of army staff, Lieutenant-General Ibrahim Atahiru, has reiterated the commitment of the army to the total annihilation of Boko Haram from Nigeria. Atahiru said they are infested in an interview with Nisman in Midgari, Borno State. Atahiru said that Boko Haram had been defeated in many encounters and would continue to be defeated until they are totally annihilated from Nigeria. The COS, who was visiting the headquarters of Operation Lafya Dolly in Midgari for their fifth time since his appointment four months ago, said that a regular visit was to boost the morale of the troops, reassure them and listen to any issues affecting them.


When I spoke with Sister Madea, I want to say why I use that phrase, sister, and then I change it to a different type of acronym, S-I-S-T-A-R, and I'm a child of the 60s and definitely boho hippie all the way, all right? Because I will tell you that the message, and as I looked around the signs of love and peace, I am the mother of India Jasmine Kager, and I will share her picture with you. This is my beloved daughter, and I don't know how I'm going to get this just to stay, maybe we can just do that here. And I brought specifically her military picture for a reason. My daughter did serve in the United States Navy just to tell you a little bit about India, and then I'll just go into how we can intermarry and cross-pollinate the purposes of what we're doing here in this room with one another as loving beings, first and foremost, is that my daughter, India Jasmine, when she emerged, she was just like her mom, a tree hugger, very much loving, played five instruments, self-taught, attended the Duke Ellington School of the Arts here in Washington, D.C., never spoke above a certain decibel, this would be her speech, and she exuded love and light and kindness and later in her short life inclusivity of all. She expressed that in her poetry, she was quite introspective and loving. The mother, the young mother of two little boys, and I will tell you that on September 5th of 2015, I received the most horrific phone call that any parent, any human being can ever imagine when I was notified that my beloved India, Jasmine, she was a flower, had been shot and killed by Virginia Beach Police SWAT team. Let me place emphasis on that, Special Weapons and Tactical Unit. The backstory, the truth is that India had journeyed to Virginia Beach, lives here in College Park, I reside in Columbia, Maryland, had journeyed to Virginia Beach with the father of her son, Roman Altair, meaning Celestial, to introduce little baby Roman to Angelo Perry's family. They were having a family reunion, he had not up to that point accepted paternity or even acknowledged paternity of the baby until later, is one of those situations where he was married, so let's just face it, it happens, and my daughter made the courageous, honorable decision to give life to her son and then to co-parent with Mr. Perry Angelo, Angelo Perry. They traveled and within less than three hours of being in Virginia Beach, after having visited house to house, unbeknownst to India and Angelo Perry, the Virginia Beach Police SWAT team were surveilling them. They witnessed my daughter carrying little Roman's car seat from house to house and they waited until India and Angelo Perry drove into a 7-Eleven parking lot and then an unmarked police SWAT vehicles, a van and a white, an SUV, a blue SUV and a tram, they ran into the back of India's car while simultaneously detonating flashbang grenades, throwing them at my daughter's car, fully aware, fully cognizant, that there was a baby in the car and in a sense, a civilian, innocent. And then, and I'm going to try to, I have to reign this in, four SWAT officers exited the vehicles and they fired well over 30 rounds into my daughter's car with military provided weapons. Or what did you teach me? The AK, the weapons that they used were, excuse me, I'm trying to, I'm sorry, someone said, from the Pentagon. Now, I want you all to take this journey with me. Let's sit in the car with India and the baby and Mr. Perry. They are sitting in the car, my daughter, as a mother.  And the narrative that the police state is that Mr. Perry fired from the car. That was complete vilification and an attempt to nullify the horrendous murderous actions that they now are choosing to sanitize under the guise that he fired at them first. I stand here to let you know that my daughter turned to protect Roman and I stopped counting India's bullets at number eight. She did receive a bullet in her head but the baby was saved. That's, that is what haunts me every day as I share with Sister Madea that I have to resurrect myself as a mother. And then I'm haunted and tormented by the thought, what was her last vision on this realm? What was the last thing India saw? And Mr. Perry, I want you all, as my brothers and sisters in love and unity to know this, there was no arrest warrant out for Mr. Perry. Now I'm not here to defend that. I'm here to make a stand as a mother, as a woman from Des Moines, Iowa, and I share to Sister Madea that yes, corn, cows, potatoes, and a few black folk reside in Des Moines. I'm one of them. I was socialized in an environment where I would typically be the only little girl African American. So I would be the token black. And because I was well spoken and highly read and nerdy, I mean I think I must have imbibed books as a child. It was an escape for me. Okay. India was the same. And yet the last vision of my daughter was what we see in nationwide. They had no choice, nowhere to run, no way to take cover as their lives were extinguished by people who have divorced themselves from any semblance of love and humanity. We live in a community where we're technologically connected, but disconnected from the one thing that we all have in our hearts. And that is true love and it starts with which one of us individually and then collectively. And every person in this room has a mother. You may be my mother, but you know mothers and fathers and sons and daughters. What do we say when our military are killing innocent people globally? And I had a few notes. I just need to just speak extra term, you know, out of my heart. I'm not even going to go there. Well actually I am. I'm going to just share one thing. This is a photo that I did bring. This shows my daughter's execution was caught on camera, the 7-Eleven surveillance camera. They executed my daughter in India and Mr. Perry in less than five seconds. And no one ever hears that truth because our media they're invested in the spin.  The first thing they want to do is what? Paint a story that somehow legitimizes their actions. And as a mother, I've stated that I am out to dismantle the lies, to lock arms with organization. Cold pink and I'm just, it has taken me two years just to even get to the place where I can speak and function. Because when you are hit with the trauma in such a way, everything, your torrential tears are not even the tip of the iceberg. It absolutely devastates your entire lives. And then we distance ourselves, we turn a blind eye to what's happening globally. When a mother's, my daughter's casket was draped with the flag and that idiot in the White House is once to paint the story that the protests are about the flag and the national anthem. What is more disrespectful than telling the mother he knew what he signed up for. Flash bang grenades, tank bombs. You all can name the weapons I'm sure far better than I can. I choose to use the weapon of my voice for my daughter, for all children. And the one thing that I know I have and that is unfettered love that India also exuded for everyone, for everyone.  And as I shared, as a mother we labor in birth, now we're laboring in their death. And we will do this for everyone.  You can't take cover and hide if a bomb is coming from wherever it may be human. I read a little bit on, well, no, I've been following that. And I want you to know, Brother Baraka, I did, and I wanted very clear that you cannot politicize or monetize the death of our children, the murder. I did vote green, period. I was not, I see the hypocrisy and the duality in that I stand.  Absolutely hate that. I'm a student of history, so I read everything.  Just to even do that. I want to make it very clear that there is the oligarchy that we fight. This particular family is Colin Stolle and his, and the brother of the current Virginia Beach Police Chief Sheriff. And all four of the officers just want to say that are home with their families, they are home with their families and still working. But what about the families who no longer have homes to return to because they've been bombed?  Everything, everything. My house has gone into foreclosure. And the contradictory thing is that as a profession, I'm a mortgage banker, I help people not only keep their homes, but build homes where it's not just the structure. My passion is what happens inside of those four walls. The sharing the memories that we no longer have. And then other people who have to take cover and mothers who weeping over the caskets, or they may see a limb because their child has stepped on a bomb or what do we do? Well, I will tell you what I do and what I must do. I made up my mind to keep my mind. It was a decisive decision. We're pillow saturated with tears because the flag of the United States is saturated with blood. No question about it. I'll share this with you. You all have heard about the killing that occurred in the Congressional Ballpark in June, July where Representative Steve's police was saved and there was a Capitol Police officer. They were honored. One was the name of David Bailey. Well, my son's name is Brandon Bailey, India's big brother. And David Bailey is his uncle, my brother. And so my daughter is executed in the Commonwealth of Virginia. And then we had India's father was a DC police officer and grandfather. I myself am a former dispatcher for the Tacoma Park Police Department. So I know some of the inner workings and the conversations of what they do. It can no longer be about monetary gain, the large corporations. It can no longer be that that's the sole focus. Every last one of us is faced with our own mortality, but it doesn't need to be hastened through the cruelty and greed of people who are only looking for monetary gain. So I'm making up here. Not to those who are in this room, you all wouldn't be here to not turn the blind eye or deaf ear. When you realize or don't realize we have the disconnect unless there's a face of pain. You only have your imagination whereby you could even begin to visualize what it's like. I resurrect myself every single day, but I can never resurrect my daughter. And the mothers across the globe, the world and the fathers can never resurrect our loved ones. But we can speak for their spirits as they rise. I can't show more. Have the conversations across the table. Understand. And no, and not just have a mental ascent, but listen to our hearts. The very same blood that's coursing through our veins, it runs red. And not just let it be ideology, because India's sweet loving, gentle spirit and introspective, highly articulate, intelligent. India has two little boys. Brandon, I mean Evan, who was on the autism spectrum. I will never forget the day that I have a large poster of India, this very same one that someone made for me.  And he would crawl on my lap and wipe away my tears. And in his little world, his microcosm of understanding, not understanding the permanence of death, wiped away my tears and looked up at me, lifted my, you know, children who ought to, it's a very special gift. And he wiped my tears and he says, grandma, don't cry. I will help you find mommy, our children, the intergenerational trauma that's being exacted upon our fellow human political parties that are just in it for the next, the gain of their position when our positions are on our knees to cry out and try to find a way to navigate this pain. The pregnant pause and silence is acknowledgement as I've stated, not only for the divinity in each one of you all, but every single, the millions of lives, Yemen, Afghanistan. I need to share with you that my youngest daughter, her name is Summer Aliyah Mustafa. So the tapestry of my family is very broad in that my youngest daughter's father's from the Middle East. She's fluent in Arabic. To see young teenage girl now have to even try to keep her mental faculties together when she was just with her big sister and the confusing questions of why are we doing this to one another? Why? Well, we've been asking that for eons. And it's just saying that those closest to the problem are also usually closest to the solution. One of them is, and we all have that, is a determination to not be silent. Because if Coretta Scott, not excuse me, Rosa Parks had just decided to write a very strong-lettered word to, what was it, the bus brother rocker helped me with that? Among them. That would have been very little done, but she sacrificed. And our soldiers, and again, my son was also in the Army. Usually that's an option that you turn to if you don't have very few other options. Unfortunately, we have options. And the same way that the Virginia Beach police swat team decided to divorce themselves from realizing that the young woman that they had and the young baby that was in the back of the car in their line of sight, all those weapons, we're talking about those. Please help me with this. What are the weapons called that have the flashlight on the end of them, the rifles? Okay, with the flashlight, the blinding lights and those moments of confusion, the blood that's spattering. You know, my grandson, when they, they had tissue in his hair. No doubt from his mommy and his daddy. And now Roman is hearing impaired because of the percussive effect of the flashbang grenades. It's not just my baby. It's not just my grandson. It's our human family, of which every last one of us is a part of. Think of your mothers, please. Your sister is your brothers, not just in your core family, but overseas too. Shame on these corporations for shame on them. They have so much more to say, but I just do need to.


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I remember waking up because I could hear Jake running up the stairs in his boots which is a weird son-in-law's but his face disappeared in front of me like this and he said, Fergie's is on fire, do you want to come say goodbye? By far my favorite time of the day is brunch, right in between breakfast and lunch and a glass of mimosa. Today I'll be bringing you to Fergie's Cafe, an hour drive from downtown Vancouver in the heart of Squamish where we get to dine in this beautiful architecture, the stunning mountain views, and the serene sound of the backyard river. Let's go behind the scenes to check out their secret sauce. Fergie's Cafe is located about an hour's drive north of downtown Vancouver in the scenic area of Squamish Valley known for its stunning wilderness beauty and many outdoor activities. They open for brunch every day from 9 a.m to 3 p.m and their main clientele are those looking for a fun day trip away from the city, those looking for a truly unique brunch experience, or those staying at the Attach Sun Wolf Riverside Resort. Thanks for having me, Jess. Hi, very welcome. This is a beautiful place, definitely a true hidden gem, mountains, rivers, and a beautiful architect. Tell me the concept behind Fergie's. Well Fergie's has been here a long time before us so Jake and I, that's my husband, we often feel like we are the custodians of a very magical place and so when we came here we wanted to sort of bring back some of its former glory, which we started with the restaurant, opening the restaurant with just a little blue shack, and just people loving coming here, the walnut tree here, the lawns, the river, the mountains. So I heard there was a flood and it completely burnt down. The restaurant burnt down, yeah, to the ground. This is completely rebuilt. This is the rebuild, yeah. So it's been a real passion project, but it felt like for the first time Jake and I could really put stampar identity on this place a little bit. Everything you see here is designed and is built around the natural world. So the whole building, you can see points straight at Mount Alpha, and we were very keen with raising it up here that you could now see the river and enjoy the river views. So it was sort of about bringing our own personal design and style to the place, whilst at the same time just absolutely almost building a temple to just love this environment. There's a particular expression that Jake and I recognize, which is the person who came to the old Fergie, and they're just sort of like... You know what really blows me away is not just everything here, but the food. Like, I was really surprised. I'm like, this is like downtown core five-star quality food. Yes. And you started with a smoker. We did, which was true. Tell me about the smoker. Well, we gave ourselves the most ridiculously low budget. You're going to be horrified, Wilson, when I tell you what our budget for equipment was. It was five thousand dollars to kit out a commercial kitchen, and so we were down at an auction and there was a smoker there. We had no intention of buying it, and then the bidding started, and you know, they talk so fast you can barely keep up. And then everything stopped. It was like in slow motion. And Jake and I were like, what's happened? What's happened? Nobody was bidding on the smoker. And I was like, we should just get it. He's like, no, we don't want a smoker. We want the fried punch. We want the this. We want the this. But nobody's bidding. We're at an auction. In the end, I said, we should do it. And I elbowed him. Jake's hand shot up, and then there was a moment, and then Jake said, I think we just bought a smoker. So we did for five hundred bucks. So it was a good investment. And then it just shaped our entire menu. So then we were doing salmon, and we're doing pork, and we do brisket, and we smoke our own bacon. We don't, we don't buy it as bacon. That's the dish I had. Can we meet Jake, and then can you show us the other scenes? Absolutely. Yeah, please. Let's go. Let's go check him out. Okay. Now when it comes to the menu, Fergie's Cafe follows this trend set by the building exterior, and it's definitely not what you would expect from a restaurant out in the middle of the wilderness. Jake and Jess have been able to create an incredible high-end brunch menu based around delicious smoked meat and fresh local ingredients. But while you would expect such a specialty place to have high prices, Fergie's has an average order price of only $25, making it one of the go-to brunch spots in all of British Columbia. Wilson, this is Jake. Hey, Wilson. He's my husband, and also, he's also the cook in the family. Cook in the family, beautiful. Once upon a time. You're going to show me some of the behind the scenes? Yeah, come take a look in the kitchen. All right, awesome. So head back here. So obviously, this is pretty different to what we had in the original blue shack, but we're good here now. I think we're going to show you our pulled pork hash. Beautiful, and please tell me a little bit more about this kitchen. Basically, you know, we keep things local, sustainable. We do everything from first principle. So what you're going to see here is our pulled pork, which we smoke in the house, we grab in the house, our barbecue sauce is made in the house, but everything, we know what goes into everything because it's all done in here. Wow. Is that why it's so authentic and so good? I think so, yeah. I think so. I was blown away by how great the food is here. Well, it's awesome, and that's kind of part of the charm here. You come out to the middle of the bush and you don't really know what you're going to accept, and then... Yeah, exactly. That's exactly how I felt. Yeah, beautiful. And that's, yeah, slow cooked, 16 hours overnight. That's what'll get you. And the whole valley smells of it each night. So everyone just comes in like, yo, Jake. We know the smoke is going. Oh my God, it's so tiny. It's so good. Yeah, and that's smoky flavor. So the specialty about this kitchen, when you rebuild it, is the sustainability factor. Yeah, exactly. So like a massive piece when it comes to a kitchen is the amount of air you have to turn over to people, this like smoke and steam going in and out. And with that air, you have to heat and cool it, but we actually have no active heating in this building. So do you guys want to warm in or show it? Yes, please, show us. So the air comes into the kitchen through these huge ducts up here and then gets sucked out of the hood. But normally you just pull the air from outside, but in order for us to achieve our cooling in the kitchen during the summer months, what we've done is something called earth tubes. We've got four 18 inch diameter tubes, which are 150 foot long that go down through the bottom of the floor of the restaurant underneath 10 feet down all the way up and this steel boulder that you see over there. Yes. That's the intake valve. So that's where that's all the air in. Yeah, that's where all the air is coming in. And then when it's underground, it gets cooled down to about six degrees. And then it's kind of a poor man's GFM. That is so cool.  Well, there's just a fan coming like and sucking it and pull it.  But yeah, it goes in during the summer at like 25 degrees and comes out about 11. Wow. Yeah, it's pretty neat. That is so cool. I love that. Now all the sustainability and beautiful architecture certainly does come at a cost. And when the old Fergie's burnt down, Jake and Jess invested nearly $2 million to build this new restaurant. But in hearing the passion that these two have for the nature around them, and when you see the large crowds waiting for a table every weekend, it's clear that it was money well spent. Fergie's Cafe is hands down one of the most unique restaurants in all of BC. And it's truly inspiring to hear the story behind such an amazing restaurant. Thanks for the tour. That was amazing. Cheers. Cheers. So tell me about this drink. You said I must try this. You have to. This is the Moor Caesar and it is. It's a season with a bit more. Yes. But it's actually the Moor Caesar is named after someone called Keegan Moor. He's a Squamish guy. He works for Squamish Fire Rescue and he was the firefighter who extinguished the last flames of the old restaurant. So we wanted to honor his memory. Wow. Cheers to Moor. Wow. This is a really great story. Yeah. Before we jump to like modern day present day about this beauty, I know it didn't start off like that. You guys bought this blend and everything because you guys were wanting to start a rafting business. What a rafting business. Yeah. That's where everything started. Yes. Please tell me. Well, it's just funny to think that's how we began. We don't even do the rafting anymore. No, no more rafting. But yeah, so it's a five acre property. Which has been here forever as a kind of resort. Yes. And the name Fergie's is a really old name. I mean, this whole property is steeped in story than history and memories for people. And so the Fergie's name came from the Ferguson family who owned the whole resort when it was a fishing resort. But the whole place was quite run down and it's hilarious when you think now what we bought, we were quite naive back then.  It's right close to the river. How hard could it be to rent a cabin for the night? Just clean it, give someone the keys, take somebody out. We were naive. But I think we wouldn't have been here if we'd been just cleaned up. It's definitely such a unique experience. Like you guys didn't set out to create a restaurant experience. It was water rafting and then the resort business and it just morphed into Fergie's, the restaurant. Well, this is what suddenly we became so passionate about. And I guess what's lovely about the restaurant is so many people can come here and experience it. It really feels like you're really away when you're here, which Squamish locals love because they just hop down the road. It's only 10 minutes from town. Once we saw people just love being here, we just wanted to keep adding and making it cooler. Yeah, I like the game of focus and our passion, I guess. Yeah, we're very un-business-like business. It feels like it, right? Yeah. Like how many years ago did you, did this kind of morph into like the restaurant industry? It was actually after the fire, wasn't it? After the fire? Yeah, because when the restaurant burned down, we got so much contact from so many people that we knew, that the people we didn't know. All over the world. We got food dropped off on our doorstep. It was crazy and we hadn't maybe realized what a good thing or how much some people loved it really. How, actually, what happened with the fire? I actually don't know much about it. Well, and we don't know what caused it, but there's a little cabin that overlooks the cafe at the back, the logger's shack. And the chap staying in there saw flames out the back of the restaurant. He called 911. But I, we had a, how old was Teddy? So Teddy was six months. So I'd just about three o'clock in the morning, I'd gone to him because he'd been crying, put him down, gone back to bed and I was lying in bed and I was looking out the window and I was like, that's weird because the color wasn't right. And it didn't, it was like this weird like orangey guy and I hadn't, I didn't clock it and I just lay down. I couldn't sleep and I was like, it's just so weird. And then I heard the sirens and you know, we live on the Squamish Valley. There's a lot of property up there and the sirens go past every now and then, but the sirens were like, go, go, go. And then they just stopped right outside. And I was like, I don't know. So I was out the door in 30 seconds. And then. And Jess was asleep. As usual. I woke up. I literally, I remember waking up because I could hear Jake running up the stairs in his boots, which was a weird sort of noise, but his face disappeared in front of me like this and he said, Ferguson's on fire. Do you want to come say goodbye? And then he just left. So then I kind of, what just happened? It wasn't the most kind way to wake you up. No. Do you want to say goodbye? That's the first thing you said. That was it. Do you want to come say goodbye? Like, I think you just, as soon as you saw it, you're like, there's no saving that. By the time I got out there, it was, it was gone and it was so eerie. It was just this weird sound, like, like crackling. And by the time I was there, the, yeah, the flames were like 20 feet above the building and it was just gone. How tough was it to rebuild it? Actually, before we even go there, please share with us some of the secrets. How much did it take to rebuild? Just a rough estimate. This place. All in with all the equipment and furniture and everything. 1.7 million. Yeah. 1.7. It's worth it. It's worth it. It's worth it, guys. It's worth it. But tell me the process. The first thing was to, I guess, we had to understand, there were a lot of restrictions. So we had to understand those first. So we had to be up in the air. The concrete, the being up in the air, that was, that wasn't through choice. That was dictated to us. No, it's not very practical having your restaurant 10 feet up in the air. It's quite hard work for our service team for getting deliveries in and making it accessible. You know, all these things become quite challenging when you have to be in the air. Oh, that was required. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because flood water can come through, so it's on still, so the flood can just wash on under it and it will still be here, kind of like an ark. But with it? With a fridge full of beer and food. So, you know, yeah. And what really, like the center of attention aside from this building is this tree. Yes. Please, tell me about this tree. So this is a black walnut tree and we love it so much. It is quite old. Our children are really worried about it, aren't they? We've told them it's their problem. It is elderly. So we have a really wonderful friend who's an arborist who we work with with the tree and he keeps an eye on it. But it just has these stunning huge leaves. So it's a rain shelter. It's a shade in the summer. It's a pretty awesome canopy like at night when it's lit from underneath. That's why you guys have so much wedding catering and venue in here. Yeah, we do a lot of weddings here. Well, just because it's really, it feels really kind of you're out in nature with trees and beauty, but it's kind of comfortable in easy years. You know what? This feels really wise to me. Like, I'm like, oh, this is a wise old grandpa just looking after us, kind of feeling to me. I'm like, wow, so wise. And if you look, I don't know, when you come in the driveway, the way that the building is designed, where the tree is and where it comes, you actually almost can't see Fergie. So it's hidden almost entirely behind the foliage of the tree, which was part of the design. And the way it sort of creeps in, that was all part of the architecture. But the crane operator couldn't believe when he was like, so we're going to cut all these branches out. No, you've got a drop. So that steel beam at the top there had to be lowered between two branches. We were there like, when we designed the building, this is ridiculous. This beam has to go here between that branch and that branch. This is one of the main points of the building has to go there. And yeah, they couldn't believe it. We haven't even told them about our Pythagoras. Pythagoras? What are you talking about? Can you explain this? So just another late night mission was working out. We used some like old school, well, I don't know what you call it, high school maths to work out the height of the roof is calculated by, we use Google to work out the height of the mountain over there. How far we are from it. And then we use like basic trigonometry to work out if we, and we figured it, if we raise the bar, the roof height by six inches to 10 and a half feet, then the average person sitting at the bar can see the top of the mountain. Because they want to cut the peak height. In the original plans, the roof was going to be at 10 feet, and it just kind of like, for me as a six foot guy, I was like, that I'm not quite going to be able to see the top of the mountain. So there we were, yeah, Google Maps, working out the distance, the height. We're like, yeah. We still got the drawing, we found it the other day, like proper two kids with it. Whose idea was it? Was it Jess's idea?  We were at school together. So I think, I feel like a lot of these ideas maybe happen at the same time. We're not even sure who comes up with it first. We had no idea if it'd be right. It was quite a relief. And we're like, huh, nailed it. So you didn't even get an architect to, hey, you know what, the architect recommended it to lift up another, no, you guys, you know what, let's figure it out. Let's do it. Well, our architect is a perfectionist. He's amazing. Chris Hunter is very perfectionist. And there's lots of details that are here. But definitely we challenged him with a few things. He, we surprised him a few times with the things that we cared about. Joking Jessisms. Yeah, yeah.  It took me, what, two hours to get here. And yeah, like, how do you guys market this place? Well, that's always been the challenge, isn't it? And we are out of the way. And those first few, I was going to say weeks, but months, maybe even years, it was, it was pretty slow going. But the word slowly has got out. But we're only 10 minutes from Squamish. But now the amount of people who drive up from Vancouver. Yeah, because it's such a beautiful drive. So actually. There's a thing to do. That's the thing. Ferguson's become a thing to do. So what should we do today? Let's go to Fergie's versus let's go to the beach or to the lake. It's, you know, there's the effort of getting here. But then it's just being here and taking your time. And so now that word is out, people have learned that it is worth the effort. Were you ever scared that it's not going to work out?  We were told never to do it. Yeah, when we bought the property, the people at the custodians at the time were like, just so you know, loads of people have tried to get that restaurant off ground. No one's ever going to come out here. I guess it kind of sat with us for a little while. But then eventually we were, we thought we'd have a go. We don't take much credit for that. Like Squamish has changed a lot of the town. We have such a loyal local community. And they've really kept us going all these years. Now the secret's out a little bit more. They actually, some of our Squamish locals stay away in the summer, don't they? They're like, it's raining. Yes, we can go back to Fergie if it's going to be quieter. So I guess the secret for you guys, what's the secret sauce? Well, what is it that made you guys so successful? I know this is a really cheesy buzzword, but I think it's authenticity. We're not very typical. We're kind of a bit quirky, a bit unexpected. But there's a lot of story here. There's a lot of heart. It's just us. We do things because we think it would be nice for people to love it. I think it truly lies in the passion, the passion you guys have with this place. It truly is. Because if you're just looking at the business aspect, you just shared with me average order value 25 bucks. It doesn't make sense at the end of the day, right? I know, we've been charged like $50. We do $10,000 a day. That's a lot of eggs and potatoes. Exactly, yeah. So for you guys, it truly is the passion that drives it. And people feel it. And that's really why I'm like, wow, I have to come back. But I think this restaurant is supported by the resort and the wedding business. And all of that is about that same feeling people have here. They're like, I want to spend time here. I want to have my wedding here. And so the wonderful feeling Fergie's has created has actually helped the rest of the business. And then that has helped Fergie's again. It's all very symbiotic. Wow, look at that. Wow, that's awesome. We met in biology class, so I guess it's fitting. Very fitting. That's awesome. Thank you. Thank you. It's a pleasure to learn so much about the stories, the history about Fergie's. Sometimes with restaurants, they don't have that deep of a root, that deep of a story that they can tell. But for you guys, you guys can tell stories for the whole day with your friend's family. And I think that's really the essence of this. So cool. It's Jay, that's another story. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you once again. Thank you. Cheers. Cheers. So there you go guys. The secret sauce behind Fergie's success. Jake and Jess's philosophy is simple. If you're passionate about something, don't be afraid to go all in. Whether it be the detailed architecture, to the delicious food, to the nurture of the community. Thank you so much for watching this episode of The Secret Sauce. I'll see you guys next time.


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In our team we have not only strong development exposures but also business development experience and we have raised 120,000 dollars and we have pushed our product from two weeks conversion to three days conversion and we are now testing our alpha business and we are raising 500 to expand our marketing reach brand of our business open sales offices in major European cities and fully automated product. I'm Anna from VRNet, we automatically convert 3D CAD models into virtual reality and if you know any architects, interior designers or real estate developers please reach me out. Thank you. Thank you Anna. Let's move on to the questions straight away. Should we integrate into CAD software like Archicad and Revit and stuff like that or do you have to export first and then upload into your software? Yeah we work with 3dsmox, Archicad, Sketchup, Revit like the major programs with which architects work and actually what we're doing is these are plugins for the software and they export this to our cloud where the magic happens and then you got the applications for smartphones for PCs and the walkthrough for the web which you could embed into your website like a YouTube video. So do you already have the integration done like into some of those CAD software? For now we have like this is not yet automatic and the thing is that we are yet testing our tools internally and they convert but then we find some bugs in the process of working with our clients and we are kind of fixing them. So right now you have to export and then import into your tool and what do you need to do in your tool like add textures and lights and stuff like that? Our tool let's say it's the 3d engine which displays all this and we take all the textures the materials and all the geometry from the existing model and export all this and importing to our software like it was. There are some things with the lightning because it's a little bit different in 3dsmox let's say in the 3d engine but we will give designers the tools to adjust it if something went like not like they have expected. Who are your competitors? We have several types of competitors. Now virtual reality has become so popular that every force architecture firm is delivering it to their clients but for now their conversion process is manual and it takes like four six weeks for a model and we hope that these ones will be our customers in the future but also we have inside we are iris we are qbt like first two are in us the story is in front and they already convert automatically but they convert into existing 3d engines like unity or unreal and the thing is that we have tailored our 3d engine for architecture mainly and we have like better quality and it's good for sales but as the quality is not that good in the air services they target more for the stage when architect collaborate with each other and they don't need the good quality but they need to kind of show the space to each other so we have a little bit different targets. So you created the 3d engine from scratch it's not based on unity or anything like that? Yes okay so maybe is there a risk that you're trying to do too much because I mean creating a 3d engine that's a lot of work and also creating the I mean essentially you could sell to the iris and and the qbt and those. I was going to ask a bit of the same because it sounds like you're having quite a lot of work are you measuring how well you are doing all of that? I mean have your customers given you feedback that they really are happy with everything? Yes let's say the customers that I mentioned one from top 10 construction companies here in Europe they tested like all their solutions on the market and they stuck with everyone and the question is that for other solutions you have to have the strong like powerful pc plus a headset to show it but with us you could show it with a smartphone and for architects it's like much lower barrier and all right now sounds super cool I will I will try it okay all right guys we have to move on thank you vrnet and welcome silk


What's up everybody, James here for jasperyscasebreak.com. This is the random number block for 2022 Museum Collection Baseball 6 box half case break number 13. And again guys, this features the Yankees, the Royals, the Tigers, the White Sox, the Nationals, the Cubs, the Giants, the Brewers, the Marlins, and the Colorado Rockies. You get a piece of these teams for 90 bucks. And again guys, everybody gets a random number from zero through nine. We distribute the hits by the first number to the left side of the serial number dash. Any and all redemption goes to spot zero. Any one ones go to spot one. And of course any non numbered base cards and hits, if there are any, are randomized as one lock to one person in this group.  And it is a one and a four, five times, one, two, three, four, five. Boom, Garrett at the top, then Daniel at the bottom. Well, it's not what I wanted to know. Five times, one, two, three, four. Five times, five done a one. All right, so Garrett with five, Michael with four and three. Daniel with eight, Michael with zero, as well as seven. Ed with six, Travis with two, last one, Mojo, Garrett with nine, and then Daniel, Dilo, you have one. So coming up next in a separate video guys, is finally the break. Good luck to everybody in this break and let's pull some big hits. Thanks.


Hi everyone, Joe for jazby's casebreaks.com doing the random number block randomizer for this break right here Pick your team six coming up in the next video That's the second half of that master case we popped open for triple lords baseball featuring a lot of nice teams here That's how it works if you're not familiar with that. There will be some non numbered base cards I'll be randomizing to one person in the break big. Thanks to this group for making it happen appreciate it and There are the numbers right there Now let's roll it Randomize both lists One and a three four times All right count with me here one two three and four We got Kenneth down the CvH and Then once again one and a three four times for this list right here one two three and Four We got zero down to seven All right, Kenneth was zero Kevin with two Michael with four Kevin with five Steve H eight and one Steve Birch six nine and three Steve H with seven Now with zero can you get any and all redemptions for that big group of teams right there? Including one of one redemptions a live one of one Right a non redemption one of one the live one will still go to CvH All right, so let's alphabetize alphabetized by number. Let's order it numerically and We'll see in the next video for the break itself. Jasper's case breaks calm