But what are you saying about Achilles Achilles if you were I I get curious about like headshots and video games Sort of with the same concept where if you are Achilles and you're running around Troy or wherever you you know, haven't you haven't gale time, right? Everything's great. Yes running around. I'm so great I'm so great. Look at my meridons aren't they beautiful and you get shot with an arrow But it hits it comes in from the front, right? So like maybe from the top so an arrow comes down and enters your foot from the top And then comes out of the heel on the back side. Does that count? Oh Out of the body did it hit first It hit the it hit the top of the foot and then it went through the heel through the back Must still count. I'm sure they don't say if you're shot through the you know All parts of the body that are included along the way by like a rail gun I think you'd be that's what people would say, right?  I think you would still count a big speed through the skull, you know You know, I don't know. I don't know usually people when people say they were shot in something like that Shot in their heart or shot in the head They're always referring to the part in which the projectile hits first and so all right Let's push this to the furthest degree. Okay. Yeah, someone's aiming at you from top down birds I've used they shoot it and enters the head goes through the body through the leg all the way through They liked completely straight and then out the heel at the back end But I think people would say at first he was shot in the head I think I think locally right organ like you said shot in the heart not shot in the chest So isn't it the most fatal thing that gets hit? That's probably true actually are Good good point good point like whatever the most vital super seeds all the other parts Like the bit that kills you what if you shot from the heart up through into the brain? Which you choose to say all vice versa?  I Still when covered everyone that probably Yeah, I mean what it would annihilate the buildings do it. Yeah, she didn't annihilate the buildings. You saw it. Yeah Hello, we all probably want to talk about that Two episodes right now, but it's like well, we'll be able to talk about that in like eight hours.  I knew I remember that wasn't that what that's a difference because in on easily blue Boy or whatever it was were other dinosaurs That was just a normal volcano So the pyroclastic cloud that was rolling down that came from the the you know belts from the earth itself That that's fine. It's normal volcano Mount doom. You have to remember is evil. Oh Evil volcano. This was cold. Oh So it you know in this in the topsy-turvy world those are the rings I'm just gonna be honest. It very well might be really cold.  All right, let's let's let's just That's perfectly good Yeah, we can separate our rings of power load the ring surely Legolas what's your elf? I see is like well ever since those assholes made the earth round I can't see nearly as far as I used to Oh We got we got us a new guest on this wonderful new e-fab 207 mr. Mr. Disparu over here on the furthest left who I met I believe on open bar a couple times And talking all kinds of meteor and stuffers time you visited the Maya boat, which is how held together by myself a Doggo and a witch. I was supposed to say witch doctor plague doctor heard. I wouldn't want to offend So hello. Hi Yeah, great to be here. This will be the fourth time that I've ended up watching each episode This time it'll be an even more excruciating detail Four times. I Watch it then I watch it to record then I watch it through to edit Watch it to record the first time Because it's funnier if you know what's coming because you can like you can put things at the start of the video that pay off later on Oh, yeah, I guess so Videos tend to have like a theme joke You can have a lot of those sorts of I hope they don't do thing and then they do it and you go. Oh good What even is the theme of rings of power? What's the theme? That's actually a good question anything that can go wrong will go wrong That's the theme of the writers evil always wins. Okay.  That's my favorite part of the show I Mean no half-hearts for episode six. I was so looking forward to hearing about the cannibalism and stuff But no no more details. Oh, that's you have to eat the sunshine yellow berries again Yeah, only two hours left of this insane nonsense the heart foot sections were very short I say that as if there's no more seasons on the way Can you imagine if you like went as a group to Tesco or something and they didn't have as many mushrooms as they did last week Better kill the children kill the tall guy.  It's the if it's just five seasons reported It's probably yeah, it's probably just the length of this season times five, right? I don't see why not Mm-hmm in totally like the finale's might be longer. That's what I'm worried about The final and off finale something yeah, cuz I thought they had just Chopped up the because if you have ten episodes of an hour that makes sense eight episodes means each of them are an Hour with change to make up for those two across the eight I was hoping that we just had that not that we're gonna get like a two-hour fucking last episode Jesus yeah, cuz it's not gonna add up through about what an hour and five minutes long unless they're including the credits and stuff Which maybe I could I could actually save us Please So, yeah, I don't actually I'm assuming I don't know who here hasn't man I think you've all met before right cuz and as proof on you both on Friday night tights, right? I've not met rags before. Oh, oh probably not Fringy either, right, but okay Oh Yes, pray I remember Well, I Mean, I think you're probably all relatively familiar with the format here But we're gonna go scene by scene detail by detail and complain Talk about everything. There's this one or two things to praise right guys There is one or two things to praise I'm sure of it. There's one or two things to praise. There's a nice sword I Don't find when they have these big shots of a new manure as they're all set in sale I was just struck by like my god. This show is expensive. And yeah, I just I Don't care what I don't care what's happening. It has Shots the crane horse, you're right. There was a horse on the crane horse crane There's a crane horse I thought it was flying at first and then I noticed it was this it was cured by literally nothing but rope I was seeing myself. Oh, oh But I mean crane horse. It's like episode six. That's the one where all it'll be tough since it stopped talking We can get through five and I was like reminding myself like oh five Can get blown up Nearly half their fleet gets blown up I said I said those barrels were full I said those barrels were full of oil and people kept correct me No, actually, it's wine like that makes it worse not better. Yeah, they're all That's not wine. That's not why you are thick fat.  You can't see water. You can't that won't make you better Yeah, you can't satisfy your thirst with sea water or something yoga said that they do say that it's wine in the show Do they actually say it's wine? Why doesn't it split?  When it's on fire I'm pretty sure they call them casks and you ask of wine. I'm not like what? You don't have a cask of oil I suppose because it had because it even had the little the little spouts the little spigots Right Right There's nothing that would stop you from using a little a little spigot cask to well Have any of the way we can all agree. It's retarded. Yes. It's not frigging tea and tea Michael Bay's wine What The what what when he's when he swims back to shore the guy actually says a cask went up as well I can I can believe that their ships randomly explode all the time considering that they leave unattended lit lamps We're labeling all the issues But he lied Call this a chronological breakdown Fights into that episode and it killed me. We're gonna be I'll get us started All right, so we we join back with good old nori and Fucking what's it be not Gandalf Oldman? He's an immediate mean you're man because he begs Different is oh nice. There's there's there's all kinds of things you could take issue I imagine on everything, but I was surprised myself. I was like, let's see how long I can go And like the second this starts the idea is she's like teaching him English or the equivalent Well, I'm already I was like, no, none of this makes sense That's how you teach people English. There's first off. We have subtitles So, you know, he could just look at those if he's confused. Yeah, but that's what you teach You just talk to them and then they pick out the useful words that you then have to explain with more English He's from space. What does he understand? They speak English in space. Have you not seen Star Trek? Yeah, it's worse than that. He it's not just that he doesn't know English He doesn't know the concepts of the words to begin with but the moment she says the word all of the concepts relating to that word Spring into his brain.  I killed those fireflies But the moment someone tells him a word He doesn't understand it and then five seconds later immediately does When he says he says why am I good and the audience is thinking yeah, why are you yeah, why are you good?  It's like what what do you you have no clue what you're dealing with He fell from space, bro. Like what why are you assuming everything like you could argue?  Oh, yeah, totally get it now. Yeah, I know all of those other things And I now know what book is like that's not it She uses words that he probably should have no context I understand with to explain words that he should have no context to understand with Yeah, like the more complex concept is much harder for him than a simple word to understand And yet it's the reverse here for some reason like I Was frustrated watch so it's just like they're gonna put Eddie after this He's just gonna be able to talk completely fluidly in a couple episodes later. All right, that's that's a little bit Yeah, but the stupid people who watch this and think it's good They will see that and they'll go. Oh, he couldn't talk at first and now he could talk a little bit. Wow That's so clever because it makes sense. He wouldn't be able to talk all at once He had to learn how to talk and she's teaching him. Oh my god It makes sense in defenses of it being like no, he knows a lot of English just not all of it It's like he doesn't know death and kill Doesn't know his own name. It's like what what what is it? What is this like contextless? English that he had like oh whatever it's too difficult to Make any they made for themself. There was no reason that yeah, wouldn't be able to talk when he just came down They could have a skipped all of this and all of the problems that came with it makes him more mysterious Makes people wonder if he's evil. They do a lot of that this episode, too I Think I think that's a lot of what they're doing It is just so art who's Sauron and that's the mystery they want to keep going at any cost Even if it's just destroys characters or exactly what they did in wheel of time. Oh, who's the dragon?  That's so not efficient compared to like the person in the best position at this point It's probably Gandalf doing the pushing it from the back But she should probably have a bar right that goes across and then she's grabbing it She's grabbing it in a way where her hands don't have anything to catch so to speak So she just through sheer grip. She has to pull this cart instead of there being like a crossbar to push or pull Or or something to stop her hand or something like that. I don't know She's she's just has a grip like iron the custom made and they made it horribly deficient It's custom made isn't you'll cuss when you try to move it What are the most efficient for him to be at the front of the truck and then lift and pull With oh yeah, he probably he's having to push down and If they're doing if all they're doing is lifting that's not too bad Especially because it's on the wheels So I suppose it gives them something to do and he doesn't have to lift while he pushes I'm trying to rationalize this so it makes some level of sense Well, so this was something that I had no I had no expectation of this and I don't think you did either right So that the the Shia Jenny these fuckers are on I had no idea I thought it was gonna take like maybe two days. Maybe it's two weeks.  Those are just hobbits Your are hard-footed to fell in the swamp. They only seem always right Yes, oh Yeah, and the reason that they look very big in the water is because as we all know whenever you put a Hobbit or a hard foot in the water and you leave it they start to expand as they soak up the water So it looks like a normal-sized person after you leave them in there for a while Yeah, they're just this explains everything panning across this whole map and I Then there's this shot and I legit was like, where are you? What part of middle it that we got into now are they heading to more door? I don't know If you specialize in hiding and camouflage Why would you ever make a campsite in the middle of a beach where there's no cover around you at all? I don't know Because that's that's not what they'd be looking for right if you're looking for harphids hiding You're not gonna be looking for carts with you know where they're partying in the middle of the the open area for So they be scanning the rise and looking around they'd see the cart and they're like no no no that's not them We're looking for harphids hiding in the grass and stuff and this whole thing reeks of Saving budget for the fact that you never see the other hobbits in the entire thing There's about two other ones and that family and there's supposed to be a whole village here They even made them park away from them for basically no reason just so it's that well Which was weird right because they weren't that far ahead of them when they started using a spaceman to move The carriage so why did they fall behind so far that we can't even see them like miles ahead?  It was fun. I think that's a great reference to a great man if he saw This episode of flim he would he would really enjoy what's been done with his work Absolutely would appreciate Galadriel as a very strong character. He would appreciate nori is a Strong character He would really appreciate Bronwyn is a strong character. Yeah, and and the Queen region is a strong character Yeah, and I think I think she'd really really like that. She'd like he'd quit. I don't know why I said she I'm losing it man She would like home. He'd like Homer the most So, I don't know if I'm just not big brain enough To say this show. Yeah, it's very likely So I get if you wonder you might Get lost, but is the first one wanderers in you're thinking about things Oh, and yeah, it's not all who wonder or wander and wander So how does thinking about things inherently lead to possibly getting lost? I'm not sure Wondering makes more sense Yeah, I think it comes down to they're meant to hide and keep to themselves And so you're not supposed to think about the outside world or get lured into it because that's dangerous You just live in your own little bubble. Don't think about the outside.   I don't fat one What podge is Was her name brandy He's a brandy Nori is that one Nori's the main one.  Ah poppy So she's nori then that's a good. It's easy to remember because you're like Do you think of a balloon can pop right and she's kind of that's right in shape Yeah, so you're like, oh you're poppy because you can pop like or maybe I need poppies to enjoy this show Here happens. Oh Shit, I forgot about this scene next doesn't the dinner plate people Dinner plate people. Yeah. Yeah, I because I only know meta things about these people they're looking for sauron, right? Well, the show hasn't technically contextualized that yeah, they're giving us much. Yeah, they're just looking at thing and And they look nefarious. Yeah, look at those eyes. They're like And when she looks around to the camera We really want you to make sure this is an evil glance and who uses dinner plates outside of a dinner setting evil people that's who You know what I love it's actually not evil. It's like baby. There's like, no, we're really good I swear that why are you looking that way? Why are you assuming it's Really, it's really prejudice of you At the circus they have the people who balance the dinner plates on the big sticks and these people are dressed like clowns You know you put two and two together this is the traveling circus and they're looking for a tall person Help them out with like, you know, look at the oddities of the world sort of thing Did the tall man fall from the sky is the prophecies foretold or I have something on the top shelf and it has been an age and a Half since I've been able to get it. They even do the they flash like a Memory like a flashback of when he fell and all the fire and stuff as if like just in case No, no, no, that's that's like that's an is this Sauron moment Yeah, that's like the meteor thing being the eye of Sauron. This is Steve's is he Sauron episode? And so like they keep doing those Yeah, I think this is the third time I think they've been doing it and it sort of happens as a few of those across this episode We think oh this guy's we're now supposed to think that he's an evil man And he's not because the next episode is somebody else's is he Sauron turn I'm trying to think like from the perspective of someone who who's never read any of it or even really seen much of the films They would this mystery thing Actually work From that perspective. Is there anything even vaguely intriguing about it given that you already know that well There's only really two answers and two people who can fill those answers I don't know what you guys would have felt about the the actual success of their attempts to intrigue you very confused Yeah There's something that intrigues me like on the still picture you have here Mola See the person holding the dinner plate, right? Yeah, and then and then look at the person's hood that's over them and They're like what is underneath that order today? I've like juking bat ears I Only just noticed as you said it. Wow. That is a strange hood It's like a batman Mola is not familiar with the hood. No, no, I'm not But yeah, I mean that's that's pretty hilarious It looks like it's built into the thing itself like that would take some work You'd have to build in like a little metal hole maybe to keep it up or hard plastic See the because I don't think that's standing up on its own if it's just cloth And maybe if you fold it up enough Good for them I'm gonna opt for that instead of the ears thing that you're going with but then again This is rings of power. Who knows what's going on Could be anything Because they suck But yeah with very little context It's just like so we just don't know who the old man is and these these guys are interested in him That's basically all we have and we don't get anything for the rest of this episode all the next one about this Why does he have blackened fingers? Is this like some crazy smoker that smokes tar or something? I don't know Digging digging through all the dirt looking for looking for goodies and now Could be harvesting like meaty or clay to build new cutlery with It's very it's very rare when you have like meteors and you could make things out of them It's very special. You could sell that stuff. I mean the meteor market is Is very very Yeah, that's uh I don't even have to call it. They're looking for meteors All right, that's out of yeah the dwarves pay extravagant prices for meteor metal Yeah, well or tree metal but we'll come to that. Oh, yes the dark old fingers. I remember When the dark old does to you sometimes to do it to everybody and doesn't do it to everybody all the time either um go over to adar Because the the theme of this episode is a bit of a like we take a step back to go two steps forward in the next episode Okay, but we can't go yet the the war seemed to have started sort of and then it was like Not really. No, we're okay.  It's like, uh We also tortures his friend there. Oh, yeah, we've all been there I don't know. He does that Well, my only theory as to why he does that is because the half what's was so evil in the previous episode He's like, well, I'm supposed to be the really evil guy So I'm gonna have to make up because he was really nice to his orcs in the last episode Well, the half what's what horrible is that I've got after top. There's Can't let me the most evil There's a particular moment regarding that sort of concept that I can't wait to get to us episode two So the or the side episode two of our coverage, but yeah the you're right That this this does feel like one of those. Um, look how evil he is He's even if he's the boss of orcs you might have thought for a second there that he's not Super evil So he bends his own subjects and they do it happily because I I read that differently. I think the I mean it might be in the case of being way too charitable to the writers of the show Probably is if you're being charitable to them at all. It's way too charitable But um, I know I sort of read that as like this is an attempt to portray his So he this is an attempt to show you what he's about to sacrifice himself So like obviously he is like progenitor orc guy He still has sort of the pull toward the sun. He is much more elvish than the orcs under him are He's almost trying to make them see what it feels like, but obviously it hurts them So they're not really going to appreciate but that's his that's the setup for him then saying when the sun disappears Look, I'm going to kind of miss it But you will not you won't suffer for long because when the sun is gone you will be fine and that's what I'll That's what I mean. I think I I have no idea what they're actually trying to say What their intentions are his pov isn't that I'm going to be evil for the sake of being evil It's the I'm I'm I'm suggesting that this scene exists for that purpose to try and give us more of a sense of like Like he's burning his own men. Oh when from his pov He's like doing some weird thing about the sun You know, it's the same with a lot of like evil leaders like that It is but I don't think it's if I think this is this is literally it's an excuse for them to Sort of foreshadow the plan the dimming of the sun because like the only reason this scene really existed So he can then portentously warn that the sun will no longer be a factor very very soon The sun is going to dim and then you will be fine. Um, I don't I don't think I can read into it at all Be more than enough the fact that he's like the the orc is like And that he can clearly see the skin is starting to sizzle but he keeps doing it.   I don't mean I haven't even done anything. I've done everything right. This is uh preemptive punishment.  It's like arc. I'm off it I just hate that again I think I mentioned this in the last one the fact that the only thing you need to do to make your army of orcs Work in the sunlight is just put them in clothes because that works in this universe So just give them hoods and they will be fine and then they can go around rampaging throughout the daylight and they'll be okay because They're supposed to fear the sunlight. They're not supposed to fry in the sunlight So the fear of the sunlight sort of weakens them and it makes them it makes them weaker in a sense They're not supposed to just like literally burn up because if it is just sunburn that they're uniquely vulnerable to Well, yeah, just give them factor 50 and put them in a hood and they'll be fine Army's ready.  You gotta have that one orc Per five that has the giant parasol. He's like, yeah, I got you boys You gotta make sure you stay under it. Okay. It's effective and stylish. Yeah They'd be evil. They feel black. They keep hinting as well that all of this is that like run by higher powers So in last episode you had lots to talk about the valar and how you people pray to and stuff But when it comes to the sun in multiple scenes the sun either just goes away the second when they need it to Or just comes out the second that they need it to and that's either The most ridiculous of writing where it's coincidence or they are trying to say that it's deliberate by somebody else The god of the sun Well, I think you actually have to say it's deliberate in order for it not to be ridiculous and they haven't done anything to say It's ridiculous. I mean The sun is it's technically it's it's a god being stewarded around the world by elrond's dad Up in space, but unless yeah, yeah, you're unless you're actually gonna say Unless you are actually gonna say or do something later Which very clearly indicates that there is a higher power battle going on saying between the valar and and sarron Then yeah, it's just going to be contrived Um, and as someone who's not as familiar with all of it I thought it was absurd that he's just casually announcing on top of everything else We're trying to accept that he's just going to destroy the sun. That sounds like a Doctor evil type of thing. Um, and it's really funny. I really watch it. This is it's got that Grew i'm going to steal the moon I'm going to kill the sun and I think yeah, it's the responsibility of the show to contextualize that a little better Like it as someone who you know, it was not Led into this very easily. It just sounds so like oh man.   Boons Yeah Oh fiddlesticks It is running all day long So you know building building a big sun shield thing is actually more Sort of I could believe that more than what they actually do Because I don't even know what the plan to destroy the sun even is or even if it's destroying it Is it blotting it out? Is it sucking it? It's the volcano. Yeah Yeah, they just want to spew ash into the air and that is going to stay forever Which isn't exactly how volcanoes work and uh, block out the sun unless they're trying to say Yeah I didn't even realize that it is Yeah, okay That's why all of this I thought they were active in the volcano because that's where he'll make the one ring And that's that's why he needs that Listen, if you if you put the sword in the key and turn it and make sun going we cannot even Joke about talking about that yet Oh my god, oh Geez nobody thinks Oh But hey, I don't I don't I'm not complaining about trying to get there, right? So next up I see the uh, because this is loads of setup for the big old payoffs where we're heading toward Okay, and this was bizarre Yeah, um this this is the scene where Ron wins the leader now. She that's her dialogue She's like, I know you don't want to be for your leader.  What are you doing? It's a very delagrious line Who are you just your life now except it? I'm your leader I I like I When was there ever a sense of like these people believing in the girl who makes stuff with flowers? I don't even When did that happen bollocks? But it's I think it's the last episode is when they the first episode But we see them in the tower and they have that conversation between her Her kid and the old man who goes evil in this episode and he actually raises the point It says who voted you leader and she says you did when you chose to follow me to the tower And if you hadn't done that you'd all be dead. That's It's but they did at least sort of yeah No, but like now when were you leader just like what I decided I was leader. That's what that is Like there was no Decision to make a leader who's a decision to be like oh her plan to go to the tower probably is a good idea Which is it's two different things. Okay It implies that there was no leadership structure in place in the village in the first Which is ridiculous. Of course. They would be who's the man? They have a representative republic that runs the village And they make sure that everyone's dirty and grimy and no one's you know has to go around clean Whenever someone has a bath there's always someone there with a bucket of mud ready before they get out Yay Thank you so much. I'm dirty again. Oh my goodness. I'd have to address because everyone else is it's highlighting Okay, this is the scene that there's a couple memes and virality for forever She always is Yeah, there's a couple repeated extras by the powers of CGI and The the the conversation I saw was basically everyone laughing at that and then lots of accounts quote to me in that and being like That's a that's a tactic used in literally everything even good things.  What do you think of this as a criticism? I'll try and point them out where I can I guess It is a flaw.  The the doesn't just mean this is a trick of the Filmmaking to try and hope you think there's more people here than there actually is. That's what it is I mean your mind can't help when you think about how expensive this show is like you didn't you couldn't get enough extras to Just fill out the space Which is I think the thing that makes this The thing that makes this bit more irritating a thing I mean, I wouldn't even side it's like it's not a significant problem But I think the reason you can't say well other shows do the same thing Therefore, it's the same whenever another show does it is that it's unnecessary in this case All you need to do is pull the camera angle down or have it set lower So you don't see as many people but you get the impression of depth Or have fewer people in the crowd because there aren't that many villagers Anyway, and we don't you ever need to see this many villagers later on even in the big fight scene we get to There are not many villagers involved in that fight. So just cut the number of them a bit But cut the number and lower the camera angle and you've solved your problem It's different from say peter jackson's films. We have 10 000 orcs to cgi But you can't say because they cgi 10 000 orcs therefore it's fine for them to cgi in Random beard people in two shots where they don't need to be there I think it's the same guy leave it. They look like the same They do look like the same guy Or maybe that's just the guy in the hood. There's a horrific racism coming out There's a guy in a hood that appears like like I see three of him already. Um, I think what the main this guy Um When you say a hood I'm trying to uh tell who He's he's wearing a hoodie. He looks like you know, he's got a big beard and he's wearing right right there Right, you had him before I don't know, it's so many that are Like if you go through this there's so many I've been sent this there actually is quite a few Oh, wait, yeah, hang on. It's like half the crowd if someone's done the thing already Oh, yeah, there's loads of pictures where they come and so I think the main criticism is about the budget Right, I could excuse this if it's you know, uh, a smaller budget or as an sg1 or something like this Amazon had an insane budget in telling me they couldn't get a hundred extras or something for this shot It's bizarre The defense is that this was all done during the sort of the lockdown times and so they Oh, well, we would have done it, but we just can't but the thing like as has been said It's the camera shot. They had ones that have decided to film it in sort of like ultra wide Um ratio as well because it's definitely not 16 9 Um, and there's so many they don't even bother to change the hats on the people They're literally just picked it's it's not just they copied them. They've copied them the most low way possible There's a triangle of people that's just repeated all over the place. Maybe you know, yeah, you in a slightly different way I think those are the word brothers I think that cracks the criticism perfectly if you would even switch the nature of the triangle they form That would have been something take a hat off have them put like, you know Just a bit more mud on one of their faces to try and make it look a little slightly different But no, you're right. They more mud. Whoa. There's a room They managed to just sort of uh It seems like it's just copy and paste Which is lazy compared to what you can do even in restriction times And this is the thing if so my headpanon is that this village is just full of twins and triplets And that's just the nature of this particular village Lots and lots of essentially just copies of people because in inbred people villages have very very small gene pools Yeah, there you go. I can believe it I mean half the village does look the same from this shot canonically in universe They look the same Yeah, this was what they did and if and if one of your three plots is essentially That I guess three or four plots when your big plots is a you know concerning a village of dirty peasants Probably have some extras, you know Is that is that homo right in the front as well our homo from from the last stream we did Wait a second Why can't they take all the people from new minorities and dress them up as peasants? No one would notice. I don't yeah, this is the thing There are so many solutions to this that I don't understand because even covert restrictions doesn't exactly answer this in terms of like Well, yeah, you don't have to Record them all together if you're pacing them, but you can record different people at different times, right? I don't know surely you yeah, you've got people I mean they could have recorded the same people just dress them in different clothes Give them different hats and put them in different positions and then can put composite the shot together As we mentioned they didn't even do that They actually did that I think there's um, there's a british tv show called countdown Which is what old people in students watch But they would record multiple episodes on the same day and they would have the same audience members in They would just have this box full of different colored jumpers And then in between episode recordings They'd send them away to change the color of their jumper and then have them sit back in different places And then no one would notice the difference. Um Yeah, and that's an option just change the color as was mentioned That was just pointing out homers, but they're rags just to the top right of their head but they're Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. That is he's the he's the real here Probably with the same favorite character best developed so far You wouldn't understand if you haven't seen our coverage previously But he's quite a quite an in-depth meaningful character Yeah, fringy pointed out that he looks Staggeringly like Homer to the point of potential copyright infringement And we all agreed with his due to assessment and as a result He's sort of become our our crowd favorite so to speak Yeah, his adventure in these next two episodes I was told about it ahead of time like oh homers.  We are about peasants as an army of orcs, right? Yeah, you're not locked in you have no necessarily like there's no You can just go You guys are all really not prepared for war.  I just I'd like to entertain that thought and then someone speaks up It's waldrick the stinky old man and you're like, oh, maybe which one uh, well, you know, you know the the stinkiest oldest one There you go. Oh, uh That there's down a little bit I got him on screen He was wearing an apron in the first episodes and look like it was wearing nothing else and he just That's right. He does yeah, he was the among the dirtiest and smelliest of the peasants And so he's like I suggest a second option and there I am like, oh, here we go Let's leave and then he says let's swear fealty to the orcs What The options stay in the tower and fight them or swear allegiance to them because then you could do That's it. I guess they don't even use those options themselves. No, they do actually leave So maybe the people would have stayed if she'd said actually this is a better plan This is I think you need you need more you need more like alphas in this this crowd Just one person to just be like you're both insane. Nobody listen to these people.  I didn't vote for you because she's the only one that has any color She gets to be in charge. That's how it works. Everyone else is dark gray It's a heel of dark gray the brighter your clothes the more Respect and power god bestowed upon her blue So it's a leader color And she dabba dee dabba died all over the townsfolk Exactly so the orcs are at a massive disadvantage if they wanted to run away Just run away while the sun's out because the orcs can't follow you while the sun's out and also being human You know, you can just stay up all night and run during the night as well If you want to you can make double the distance the orcs can and they're not particularly quick It shows that the show sometimes forgets that the orcs can't go into daylight So maybe they were anticipating the show forgetting that the orcs might this time Go into the daylight. I don't know but yet just do anything except maybe hiding in the tower Or just doing something at this point because even when they do enact their weird little plan Half of them just stand around watching So they're not exactly the most proactive group of villagers in the world. No, no, no one to seem to live Remember they all left their village without taking food. What is wrong with people? I mean, can you blame them for not wanting to live in this world? Like what I secretly each one of them wants to die, but they don't think anyone else thinks that and they think they're the only one So I just realized something and I might be skipping the chronology But I was thinking about the tower because we'll talk about why don't they just leave the tower and then I was thinking about Adar's plan. What does he really want? He doesn't necessarily want to kill the people He just wants to get the sword key thingy and then I was like And so why does he want the sword key thingy to put it in the key slot? But the thing is hang on the show actually revealed that Adar didn't know what to do with the key He saw the mural when he went to the tower for the first time and it's like a reveal that it's just real I thought he just The show's basically implying He didn't know what to do with the key because he found out when he went to the tower And so it's after the key, but he doesn't know what to do with it at this point I still don't get how when they're look when they reveal the thing on the wall Why they don't think oh wonder what this is and then look down at the ground and see the big No, no, no one would do that. That would be ridiculous It's like no, that's just that's just a hole. We don't we don't talk about it. It's just there Also, if it's so unperson, why does what if the tower collapsing actually showed the hole In which case that's even more contrived. I don't think I don't know because the the hole with the tower is Next to it. I thought I didn't think it was inside it And also if it was inside it wouldn't the elves have noticed that there was a sinister Yeah, not on that. Yeah, we're not on that. Yeah We're bringing it bringing it back from logic Have that's a good point bringing it back chronologically though. They're leaving at this point in the show No, they're pretty sure but old man in in this scene He already knows that the sword's important and he already knows where the sword is and who has the sword And rather than get the sword and steal it and go away with it and take it to a dar Which would be a logical thing to do because you'd get in his good favor He just sort of randomly calls out to Theo and says come with me and then Theo just sits there like a Moron because that's basically what he is and doesn't do anything. But yeah, why did you not prioritize? Yeah, why did you not prioritize bringing that sword with you? You like basically had it Yeah, and and I thought it was funny because he's like, all right, everybody Let's go and join the orcs. Woo-hoo at this guy the nifias guy. He's like, yeah.  What's wrong with you? You were terrified of them seconds ago But you're like, oh, no. Yeah, this is totally gonna work hundred percent. Waldrig is correct Any enemy of the nifias is a friend of mine.  And he's just fine with it like oh, yeah, this kid's probably creeped out has no idea what I'm talking about But whatever it's fine. The plan's working.  All right, everybody It's gonna be great Fine stuff So far so good and they finally explain why they didn't take food with them to the uh To the watchtower from the villages because when they're told to do a thing they do it instantly is uh They don't collect their food. They just leave. Uh, they're gonna go join the walks. It's like You you're already leaving you do it But you need to like say The orcs will I see a guy holding his sack a guy picked up a sack of stuff I think we're blanket That's wonderful. There is a very decorating small sack there. That could be several potatoes. I don't know Yeah, I guess if you can't go out in the sun you would really appreciate good interior decoration Spend a lot of time indoors Wouldn't that have made a lot more sense if adar's message was join us. We have Provisions and stuff.  We're just trying to find a new land You know one like that Then I could better believe these people but at this point I just find this absurd that half the town's vocal like yes Let's join the orcs. That's a good idea This requires no debate or deliberation or thought whatsoever. This is clearly the right move I think I'm very well written. That's my opinion. I know I'm gonna get roasted for that I think you should reserve judgment until the end Sometimes you got to get some rough setups to get those big amazing character moments and incredible plot payoffs This is true. We are only we're only five hours in there's not really enough plan to expect And I mean, yeah, this could this this could totally be setting up a great fight scene, right? So Let me say that When when we watch this rags, I think you said this and I totally agree whenever like a scene ends and it cuts to This is like an obvious like oh, we're at Newman organ It's such a like But then it's like well, no, there is no place in Middle-Earth right now where I go.  It doesn't matter who was like It's like, what do we do it over here? That's fine Yeah, we find out that uh He sealed or is mad because he's like I want to be on the cool people part of this this Thing but like we were almost on the shot of the ships because you can count them and they have at least eight Ships they're preparing for war and then later on they only have four. It's like, oh Three I think the last one in the previous episode was we've got five ships and 500 man Which is I mean you might think not the biggest army to send to guard your queen as you go and invade a brand new continent against Liberate liberate Liberate even yes, absolutely terminology here Not colonizing it. Okay No, although they actually should be but well farazon is clearly Looking to have some benefits of that. Yeah, we'll have trade partners when this is done like Yeah, I guess so this really shows the incompetence of just the production because clearly the writers They thought oh four ships and you know Ignoring the fact that this is numeral they should have a massive army But yeah five ships But then there people who were editing the shot of doing the visual effects is like this doesn't look good enough We need to put more ships in to make it look more impressive And not paying attention to what was written in the script to say they only had five and they throw in like eight Now those who just ships that I mean this is a harbor. This is just where the ships live. They're just there They're like extras, but ships Yeah, think of them as ships and the ship's kids who don't actually go off to war They just play in the shipyard. They run around doing ship things But you're right if we go by the visual of these like sails like so that's one two three four five there and then But if you look at it if it plays out, yeah, that's great If it plays out you even see more there's like more to the left And stuff and this is from the perspective of a ship. And so there's a ship that's right in front of us So it doesn't seem like the count's right unless that explosion took out a lot more than we thought Will they say two ships it took out two ships. Oh rags two could mean anything in numeral Yeah, they even said they're lucky it didn't take up more Yeah, we're lucky it didn't take up more This should raise some hazards about ship design for them in general like why Would we believe that this is every ship numeral has in just this this shot, you know, surely they have more This is the difference. I have more like some will be out doing work or patrolling or being just fishing Yeah Yeah The army but it's only worth it to send Five ships that's how much it's worth Also, they have other cities as well. They should have like a fleet of at least a hundred if not more It's yeah, that sounds excessive But that's the thing because that's not been set up so that you have to assume that numeral has more cities And it should have more cities at this point in its timeline But then in this point in its timeline, it should have cities in middle earth already from which to get the Yeah, not yes, I want to remind you right this was colonized ages ago As far as we know, there's one city on this place I wouldn't consider this excessive at all to have a hundred ships just Showing how huge numeral was when one of the wider shots we had at first like this This is far This is a tiny part of numeral in total from what we saw of the The huge landscape when when we first got here like when they had the bird's eye shot almost of all the islands The if you've got that much space and then presumably as many cities to reflect at and as many docks and stuff is just like, yeah, there should be a lot more ships and This is a people who were born of war, right? Like that that's that's They won a war with the elves and that's what created them. So surely they would have they've got so many disciplines that relate to war That you'd think they Yeah, they are supposed to be the greatest warriors in the world at this point If we get to see how good they are at fighting Born in war most experienced they're all very long lived So most of them would have lived to see or lots of them would have lived to see the war that gave them the island in the first place Um And they're just portrayed in this is just like yeah their entire fighting force is just dweeby teenagers and then it sealed was kind of the worst of the bunch because He's you know, he's not allowed to go on the mission despite the fact he volunteered in the previous episode because He got distracted because he really wants to go to west numeral to find where his family were But in this episode it's now I don't care about that anymore I want to go on this expedition and fuck you for not letting me go with you and I There must have been some development in between those two positions, but there isn't any of it It makes no sense from character motive point of view Well, the worst thing about this chart as well is you actually see the size of the horses in relation to the boat Yes So the stable cannot physically fit in because I'm not even sure you could fit two horses lengthways across the sides of the boat New manure as we learn is the home of the horse lords. So they have extra large horses That's why they have to move them with cranes. Not just the horse lords, right? Time Lord technologies in here. They are TARDIS ships. They are bigger on the inside and all the horses can More like They teleport them in because they got to fit through the doorways It's like this is crazy technology. Nubador is this is great And people were saying maybe there's just multiple levels beneath the water and that's how the boats It's like no because they go up river. So they're like shallow bottom boats as well I was thinking that that they want us to believe these are like double deck of buses underneath them or something of space But I was like, I don't think so I mean if it's a deep river you could have I mean, I imagine this there's quite a lot below the waterline But not enough even when you see it the inside of it later when that they go and do the whole sabotage thing It's still the even then the space looks too big to be contained You know, I've spent quite a lot of time on boats over the last few years There's quite a lot below there's more than you'd think below the waterline But there's not enough on these ships, especially if they are going up anywhere like high upper river Or even in a harbor which tend to be sort of shallow water Anyway, you couldn't fit horses on there and you couldn't fit the people and the store provisions as well If you're taking all three if you pack them in right, you know, you got a you just got to arrange them like Like like horses They're yeah, like they're like tetris blocks or they're a little bit longer than they are wide So you have to just sort of fit them in you got to pack them in That's the thing if you turn them at right angles to each other and then you can lay their bellies Belly to belly but then right angles and then the legs sort of go around themselves And then they actually become much more condensed Yeah, you kind of you lay them on your their side and then you just sort of stack them on top of each other They apparently the horses find us uncomfortable. That's not relevant to tetris It'll make them all the more happy to run at full speed when we get up to the other side of the ocean Yes, I don't have like plastic garden chairs You know when you stick them over each other and the legs to sort of drop down the sides I'm sure there was ways. Numerian horses are special So maybe there was a flat pack option. So we're doing 500 soldiers. How many horses are going? As many as the soldiers they're all As Numerian are Numerian cavalry, they're very talented because they can ride two horses at once. So really You have 500 soldiers. That's a thousand horses. That's how they get that's how they get to middle earth so fast That's how they get to the south one. This horse is under the boats powering the the boats they run on Yeah, literal horse How many knots can this baby get up to slaps hell So yeah, presumably 100 horses in each of the five ships and that's before Tragedy occurs that means that more have to fit God is so impossibly absurd.  It makes sense. One horse is equivalent to Oh, I guess one horsepower Been working out To the math of my head the conversion He was all mad because he's not allowed to go into the the fighting portion of the people I guess or he's not even allowed in at all at this point, right? He's not allowed Do you understand? Do you understand there's an incredible joke that could be made here? Do it where we we've been talking about horsepower. They are a sea people Here's the thing. It's only worth explaining because it involves knowing so, you know The latin word for sea is mare m a r e which is mare Which is what a female horse is and we talk about horse and this is seafaring people So there's like it's really it's really something it's something to consider honestly That's where we get like marine and mariner from But it's just something to consider As we move that's right. You try to say it should be mare power. Is this where it's going? No, no, no horse He wants to make a pun, but he hasn't got one yet work on it, right? It's not it's not really a pun It's not it's not really a pun. It's just it's something to think about But yeah, I'm saying you haven't got anything yet. You'll have a pun eventually working on it I mean, maybe I'll have a pun you have a notepad where you write down some of your pun ideas Like and start to sort of workshop them and I probably should whenever something comes to mind I should just write it down for later put a little bullet point is like needs work I think that's uh, I think that that's probably the because I mean Many of the puns are pretty strong if they're right off the bat But think about how great they could be with tweaks and refinements if you write it down Where they passed you and you at the same time two punners exactly doing it full speed Two punners working together. That's right. I was in the joke army. It's called two punners two It's just called two. No, well So, um, yes, Henry sergeant I think it's a seal that wants a particular like area of fine and and the land deals like well, but why Why what why should you I think he even appeals the fact that he's his dad at one point Which is really fucked up in terms of how war ranks should work.    His entire story His entire story up to this point doesn't make sense because he was part of the military He was a sailor so he could have been on the ships. Anyway, he's a sailor in training, right? To get kicked out Yeah, he's like, I don't want to do that because I want to go to this land over there in the west or wherever Where I can see and I'm like drawn to it and then the moment this happens He's like, yeah, don't care about that anymore. I want my original job back.  I'm sorry.  Everyone is accepted. That's just the case like okay And I mean you you rise the point like oh, yeah that he hasn't even apologized to his friends I think it's the scene next right where he goes to talks and the first of many scenes where a character's like I'm sorry, but now do something for me Right. Yeah, they immediately ask for the thing that they want like oh, yeah, I'm sorry, but do me a favor It's like oh, so are you really sorry or do you just want something from me?  I used you now. Help me. It's like Hey, how hey It's I'm sorry. I used you and manipulated you but here. Let me use you and manipulate you. Exactly. Yeah, that seems great That's a great one. Yeah, they're really good at characterizing her in one particular way that I don't even know they're aware of They do it all wrong too. Yeah With him as well. It keeps happening So this these two episodes were really piling on the the conclusions we already had about the dialogue like that I think that's one of the biggest takeaways I've had from this whole season the dialogue right and his hideous Just terrible.  Why do you mean drinking seawater? What do you mean? it's uh It's so laden with these bizarre like analogies and parables And and and I mean generally the characters don't even feel like they're talking to one another Like they're talking past each other or they're talking at each other The conversations don't flow naturally because they're not real people Or at the very least like they're not even trying to come across as believable people It's almost like it's like amateur dramatics in that way And so when you see a Shakespeare play properly done at the globe, then it all feels Exactly as it should and you're really you're drawn into it But you see the same play put on by amateur like amdran performers in a local village theater And they're all they're all seem to be they all seem to be very very aware that the lines They're speaking at grand and what they want to convey is the grandiose nature of said lines But they do as you say end up speaking past each other because what they're really focusing on is just delivering the line And not actually what the line is supposed to mean how it's supposed to be conveyed What it's supposed to convey either And it just gives it this this really weird sort of self I don't know. I don't even know how you describe it. It's very self-aware when they're doing it I think I'm saying it It it it comes across as dialogue that you read off of a script Not a thought that you had and then conveyed to somebody It's it's like it's like this is dialogue. This isn't two characters having a conversation This is dialogue in a script for a television show one of the things Anthony Hopkins has said famously on many interviews that that's how he's always done His approach with his movies is that he reads the script reads the script reads the script until he's memorized the entire thing And it's his like it's it's it's things. He's saying as opposed to things. He's reading and saying Like off a script. It's going to be Owning it all as though he's the character saying it and it's just like that's probably not a coincidence considering He's one of the greatest actors I've ever lived so you should probably Approach that yield some good results look into it. Yeah, it's kind of you know how like I'm not trying to so like Um, I think it's often a common thing right where like When when people perform on on a stage that they're meant to sort of sort of till angle themselves towards the audience Like that you never want to have like an active like pointing away from the audience or generally they're meant to be facing towards the audience It's kind of like that effect here, but it doesn't work where it's like every single time they're talking It's like they're very aware that there's an audience Like off to the side that they're trying to communicate everything to yeah, and there's boxes to check Like we've got to have our lofty dialogue that means a lot that people can quote I think that's part of the directing though because the problems with the way one person delivers it are the same across the entire cast everyone talks Like this all the time. Yeah, and so that's not just one person delivering a line when it when it's widespread You're like, okay, you think that sounds because there's normally um Politicians are told to speak like that because it makes people easier to understand and everything So they're not only sort of underestimating their audience and thinking no, this is so Difficult to understand we're going to say it slowly so you appreciate it But they someone said that was dramatic. That's impressive.  It's yeah, if everybody's doing it. It's got to be direction I don't really know how you deliver a lot of the lines very well like when you say seawater's not gonna I don't know fix you or like They're so proud of that. They repeat it. They do that a lot with all of this stuff. They repeat this shit Tallest milk weird, but I mean that I think that I think we actually might have mentioned this in the last one But actually I would say that's more writing than directing in that case I mean if you can't conceive of a way in which a line would be conveyed properly Yeah And it's well and also if the particular type of line you're referencing is the sort of metaphor or the simile which Every other character from every other background in the show is conveying Um And there's no difference between them. There's no difference in speech pattern or conveyance Then I'd say that that's just that's a problem with the writers who have put those same lines in the mouths of disparate peoples And not just there's only so much you can do as a director if you're given a line like that Which sounds like it should be coming from the mouth of an elf But is in fact in this scene coming from the mouth of a pobbit Uh, there's only so much as a director. You can do to make that seem natural. I don't think you can make some of these seem natural No, I don't yeah, probably not and I mean like you said a lot of the characters sound very similar You've only got a handful of characters who I feel Generally say things that are reflective of them as an individual rather than Something that could just be taken and given to any other character and you wouldn't even notice Like you'd never feel like it was out of place that somebody said anything because everything everybody says feels out of place all the time You know, uh, one of the things I was going to ask about this scene as well is it started to make me think like we consider Uh, uh, Isildur's journey right up until we see him at the end of episode six even All of this is like all the complications he faces are all they all start with him making that retarded decision on the boat Where if he hadn't made that retarded decision on the boat Like even at the time surely he would have been like, oh, it's a couple days till I get my like Let's call it official license to do see things. I can still not do them Right, I'm assuming it's not like you're locked in via contract to do that You can abandon that job or whatever.  What do you gain? Kind of where I'm at with that says himself that he can take a gap here He says to his father I can just like delay it for a year and it's only this father that says no I won't let you do that. But can you stop power there? He could he just No, I think I think you're right. I don't think he could stop it.    He must be off the team even though he did it 10 minutes ago Uh, and no one cared that was that was kind of astonishing But I was trying to think about this one is sort of where they're going to take his character because he's got to be in it Of course with the like the entirety of the run of this show and he I assume They're going to attempt to tie him into the seal do we see at the beginning of um Of the fellowship of the ring and so maybe what they're going for here is this sort of this sense of Selfish impulsiveness Uh, this is supposed to sort of this is like the germinal form of the floor that leads him to take the ring Even though actually the ring corrupts him and would have done whatever his flaws But I was sort of thinking about that and is it really even framed that way because he's not really it's not selfishness here Is in like self-motivated selfishness. It's kind of it's almost like wistful Romantic selfishness that he conveys like he like looks starry eyed over at West Numenor and decides he wants to go over there for reasons And then no, no the next grand thing is he wants to go off to Middle Earth Um, but that's not sort of that's not bitter sort of cold calculated selfishness. That's just that's very sort of teenage Wistful selfishness now I kind of I'm wondering whether they are going to try and build that toward the later depiction And if they are going to try whether they have the talent and the answer to that question is no But I'm not sure about the preceding one so Next up we have Oh, yeah, that just sort of ends awkwardly Farazon may be the only one who can stop the the war from happening and so Isildur's daughter is like hey Farazon's son tell him not to He says also why they she was she was introduced five minutes ago. What why did she wear this anti-war sentiment come from? He doesn't like war. All right. We don't even know why None like the way The way she describes it in the after thing is she saw her brother go off to war and that she didn't want him to Die and leave her so that's why she doesn't want him to go Doesn't explain does she care about yeah Okay, so this is the thing I've got criticisms everywhere But like it's just does she care about the the current narrative Which is that there's many people who are about to die if they don't go and save them Not only a family. Oh, okay specifically Is this what I mean Has just been pointed out in terms of just noticing motivation She's like she doesn't she hasn't she earned that scene where she can explain her position on this But no, it's just ah war boo. You're like, okay All right, they even hinted there's no real reason for it. Why is he so anti-war? You think you'd have Well, as was mentioned, I can't remember Does this guy have any reason to oppose the war apart from trying to get into this girl's pants? Like it's funny you say that she had something that I didn't like about this And a lot of people are making fun of the line alone, right? Which is when I speak his ears close up and then she says Yeah, I've got to write that down Speak louder, what does she do before saying that though?  All right Yeah, I know And in which case I'm just like, what does he think what is his position? There is something weird happening between these two even off-screen. I like disbrew your video where you have their interview That guy was trying his very best to not look down. He's just like Keep on contact keep on contact because she was wearing a very interesting dress I I had to comment on that dress that just a time stamp followed by pause it Yeah, so this shot should be shown in every film class though Exactly all of them should be every second of this show should be to teach people how to do things wrong Okay, there's some nice things, but I need yeah Yeah, uh, so we were complaining.  Again, I only know it because the actors have said so So Like great They've both said that essentially both of them are using each other and he's getting Um, like he approached her not accidentally It's part of the family's plan because of what her family is doing and that the father has been put next to gladrile and so because faris on is kind of Got his like little tendrils all over the island He wants to get someone close to that family so he can manipulate them in the future None of that said in the show. I said it's not said in the show But it also doesn't make sense because the next thing we'll see from him is going deliberately against what faris on wants as his plan In order to further the anti-war aims not like other sounds perspective bint So I don't understand any of this No, well, I don't I need to give what's the personal reason for the son like what what is his What is his character? Who is this guy? Well, the problem is we we haven't had a scene with him That's not just he and her Developing minute chemistry in order to justify them being an early actually at some point. Yeah, we haven't heard them actually Yeah, all their scenes together are weird awkward flirting Kind of and they don't have a scene where they talk to each other and have their Perspectives and they chat about oh have you heard about this elf? Yeah, they're sending five ships. Oh my gosh. That's so Many where are they going to put all the horses?  Are you giving them all snorkelers? They'll be fine. There's a special one I'll just strap them to the sides of the boat as armor actual horse on the horse. Oh, yeah um So, oh, yeah, this so halbrad. He's got his forging crest Smith now Like yeah, he's a smith now, which I'm sure everyone else in the guild is thrilled with how did it like how much time has passed That's the first thing I was it was gonna try grab Do we have any idea it could be it could be that it could be the third age by now We don't we don't bother now because this is the thing about I just don't vibe with the timeline at all So am I supposed to believe that when we followed the harfords for that incredible journey? Is that all of the world moving forward in time? Or is that just them as in like when we go to someone else? Have we now move forward two weeks? Is that what's happened with with uh, numinal? Does anyone have a line for that? It can't be because I'm again skipping forwards But they specifically say two days to get to that town and only one day crap passes in the town So they have to be different timelines. Right. They have to be if they want it to make sense God it's so confusing. Um But like so basically I I would hope a decent amount of time has passed to account for all of the things including but not limited to He had to actually complete the presumably the course for getting this crest and owning it He had to It's revealed later that he was given it because he shopped Not galadriel to the queen, which is how the queen knew the galadriel was going to visit her dad I said, that's that's what they tell me. So that's what the queen said. All right So all of these guys that you assaulted and injured and everything and then stole from them I'll make you a part of their group. I don't understand. Yeah Sorry, so we got the crest for an unrelated to forging thing that he did It was in um, it was in the prison sequence when not galadriel somehow managed to get four guards into the cell behind it One in one go and then you see I think I think you see pharas on falls against Not saurons or definitely saurons prison door and then they have a little whispered conversation when he tells her that he knows Where she's going and so in between episodes. That's what justifies the giving of to him of The guild crest Galadriel brings it up when she confronts him Like when they're talking with the queen the queen leaves. She says, you know Oh, that's what I was wondering how the queen way laid me in her bed chambers Implying that I was it was sauron. I mean That worked out incredibly well for galadriel. In fact, it worked out better that way than it would have otherwise because the queen Which she wouldn't known anyway She got thrown into the prison for cell for demanding to see the father So the moment she breaks out of prison, you think she's gonna go to see the father of the father. Yeah That's true. Um But not to mention like I'm just still a little bit baffled like uh, you've completed almost political favor for me Or a bit of security cool and he's like I want to crest for forging.  There's a reason why they was cresting. You don't mean like it's not like Um, it's not the same kind of favor I would expect. This is very strange Just I could see her just being like well, can you forge then go in it? I can't imagine you would have taken that long Especially if that might be what this is because he's like he makes a sword and then shows it to Oh, he's already got it though comes the forge Like yeah, but maybe this allows them to train in the first place because they did say you're not allowed to forge at all Yeah, maybe if I'm being really good faith, maybe I'll just say that she fast-tracked him. He still did the course or whatever Something like that. Nice. All right show. I'm being nice to you.  Sorry, which one? Oh my god. You're right. I should have been more specific I mean whole whole brand Yeah, it's not right Well, he's either not brighter.  I went from him quenching it to now It's fully polished. It's got in lane gold and everything. I'm like It took weeks Yeah, this took years This taking the decades it took decades centuries What's after millennia It's a big jump. This guy's still alive because he's he's a hearty new minorian All of them are That's real long. It took the rest of the world is just at this point many many d's So Yeah, as rags highlight I just want to make sure we've mentioned again that um You'd think that there would be huge pushback from not only the guild members But also just I don't know guild leaders to be like he fucking broke that guy's arm Hey, he came here. We took care of him. He assaulted people stole from him is in cahoots with that elf We don't like elves here. They steal our jobs. So we don't want anything to do with this Yeah, they steal our jobs stealing someone's job at this point. Yeah, the dude with the broken arm He's not forging right now. He is healing that phase.   Oh, yeah, I've only got one. I gotta use the little hammer now.  Well Paul Smith. No, they designed them in for that rags The the forge the the smiths of new minor See for him. Oh, wonderful. And uh, uh, yeah You've got visitors and then they take him to visit somebody Someone's here to visit you, but we're taking you to visit them.  It's just like thank you. Thank you. You turned you against me So Uh, yeah, hold on is is taken to the queen and Galadriel for talking about like plans and stuff And um, I guess he they ask him hey, where are the orcs going and he says, uh Toward the watch tower of austereith and it's like How does he have any clue it could be anything, right? And and even then that information would be months old. It's like, oh, okay, so the tower's destroyed then if Yeah, that's the right. Actually he should assume they've done that already Yep. Yeah, so unless he knew something about that tower specifically Like why they he knows exactly the timeline They get it all out Well, then again, yeah, if he's sarron, he wouldn't know the timeline exactly But then again, I would have thought that it would be subject to pretty significant change when he's not there for that long You know anything could happen, right? Isn't it determined by how long it takes to dig the trench and that's determined by how many people they capture and keep alive, so And also if you if the only way he could know the timeline is by being star on the one thing He wouldn't do is reveal to everybody else that he knows the timeline. That's actually true This is the part that I don't understand. I feel like this show is going to absolutely collapse If they really do reveal this guy with sarron the whole time as opposed to sarron Possesses him at the end or something. I don't know What what they're honestly doing I feel is that sarron at this point in time is legitimately on Potential redemption arc. He's actually wanting to put away all the evil is done And he's not actually up to date with the plan of adar or anything Um, which is stupid beyond belief, but that's what I think they'll be curious about that Character that I think he's he's doing he's doing a sheave palpatine and galadriel is his anakin So he is already evil and he's trying to turn her over to his side See, I think if you write on that saying there's gonna be a lot of questionable decisions throughout this whole season if that's true Yeah, but that scene with him in galadriel where he says yes, I never wanted to go back at you at all that crap And the scene in this episode, but then he says I do and that's what happens for this episode We'll look at yeah, they contradict everything sir only after she came and manipulated him into it He's he's going back for her But his own personal wishes to say that and he talks about I've only wanted to stay here to find peace I just don't want to go back You're luring me back into a life that I wanted to leave behind So everything he's saying is I don't want to do this and she keeps coming back And basically emotionally blackmailing him into going against his own will So that's one of the problems with this the dialogue in the show There is no there's never any ounce of pragmatism from anyone. It's all just Oh the signs.    I guess I want to be king for now I guess because of these appeals I don't see the connection between I guess dots don't have any lines between them. I've been connected Back in the day when people being overly emotional not seeing reason the go-to thing to do is just give them a good slap and just like wake up Yeah, pull yourself together woman Oh, so it's always a woman If there are plenty of stupid men in the show Let go of you Actually the film hails Caesar as like a guy do that But he does it too like he doesn't do a woman at the beginning, but then there's another guy's being unreasonable He just slaps the guides like wake up It's like that sing from airplane where it's just a line of people ready to slap them Now We need to bring that practice back for the characters in this show.  Uh, this is something I'm uh, we've pointed out too many times myself rags my brain to not feel like This is this is becoming a very real thing. You know, like really shitty choreography can be an indication that the writing may be bad too Or really shitty armor work you might be like because if they didn't care about that Maybe they're not necessarily true. It can be sometimes but there's this thing This is this thing This is thing that's like not necessarily connected at all to whether or not something is well written in in terms of how Dialogue goes and it's just been really interesting to notice Feels to me the shows that land on the good side versus the bad side when it comes to dialogue We'll have characters just Noticing each other and what they're saying versus not noticing each other at all what they're saying now In this show, they've done it plenty of times already But this scene has a really fucking big example Where uh, the queen is like so you big man over here You're gonna be you're gonna be leading all of your men your humans into a big old fun kingdom You're gonna be king, right? And he goes Uh, hmm, you know, I just Wait, what what have you been doing? She's like, wait a minute You did just let me in the guild yesterday Yeah So she's like, wait a bit. Are you like are you like a bit fleamy right now? And then the gladiator's like, oh, uh, my companion is totally fine. Actually. He just uh, he's he's fine and queen regents like Oh, okay. I hope you are ready Nervous. Yeah, yeah And uh, that's not how humans work just at all And I was saying to rice if we were in a cold right now and uh, little bitune is like, yeah Fringy hates mario and sonic. Okay. We are in a call right now We are in a call. There shouldn't be too hard for you to imagine then rags.  Fringy.  And then you go, uh Uh, little bitune is like, no he does Then I go, oh, okay Okay, well that settles that Like nobody talks this way ever nobody I don't know why shows keep doing this It's like to to be like, oh look at that conflict that we can't yet resolve. It's like no It would be resolved right now. This is incredibly important. This is it If you're gonna be rescuing sending hundreds of men across the ocean to a foreign land as a liberating army Installing elf installing their king. That's like a big element to encourage everybody that this is a really important move and stuff the simplest way to like in the case of the queen it's like, okay So do you believe her or do you not and you don't care because it's one of those two And and should be retired on either one because she'll be retarded to believe collateral here with it So obvious that albert doesn't want to do it It's um, it's it's disastrous either way either she's an idiot or she actually doesn't care about this Which is completely contrary to everything that's been established about her up to this point This conversation is not over But like they felt like it was over that didn't want to deal with it anymore They had the drama that they wanted to relegate to the lighter half of the episode So like the conversation just ends before it even began And also just think about what gladiola is doing here.  I hate her so much oh You think the old queen region would be doubly skeptical and doubly on the ball if you can be doubly on the ball Because uh, these these are the people that she's just let out of prison yesterday Uh, she she is pinned. She's hinging her entire plan on people that she had imprisoned who broke out of prison And then did exactly the thing they were imprisoned to do To be fair there's another there's more evidence yet now that you you can't trust what they're doing What they're saying because they're they're clearly being shifty and there's something going on Would you as has been said would you as the queen say? Yeah, I'm just gonna accept that that's all good.  So there we are I think that tips the scales quite a bit. It's it's a little bit lame because I mean I don't really expect much from this show But in a better show you got three characters here who all have different objectives that they want to achieve And there's some unresolved issue This is like a really good opportunity for like an interesting scene with a bunch of dialogue laden with subtexts of like these three people kind of trying to Like essentially all of them trying to push for whatever goal they have with the queen being like well I want to actually, you know, like achieve some sort of broader political objective here Um, Galadriel just wanting to go off and do her battle to like resolve her own personal issues And then dude Keep forgetting his name. Um, not being particularly interested. Yeah, yeah At least as far as we can tell not being particularly interested in doing it But maybe being careful to not throw everything off Like maybe he's kind of dials back like his apprehensions to make sure that he's still got a foot in the door It's an opportunity. But like these opportunities keep getting um, they they just keep They they keep letting them slip away Because I don't know what they're doing Yeah, it's kind of uh, kind of crazy honestly The part of the reason I was bringing up the comparison by the way is just because of the counter example, which Uh, rewatching a little bit of house of the d because I'm showing Mr. Mr. Rags it now I'm gonna gonna get him try and get him caught up eventually possibly see what he thinks of it Could be interesting this that way the other who knows in episode two It was it was shocking it was unreal because I had almost forgotten it But I remember oh yeah as it was happening and it's just that opposite direction So one of the characters says How do you how do you feel about situation x and the other character replies? How uh, the situation is happening for very specific reasons For someone else's motivation and then the goes back to the other character who says I didn't ask you that I asked you how you felt It was like whoa You listened to what they said They ignored your question and then you addressed the actual question It's just yeah, I answer my question here. That's why I asked There's there's nothing wrong with the character being evasive indeed Yes, uh, that can be really useful in terms of characterizing somebody or setting the tone of a scene But it's also important that other characters, you know sort of recognize these attempts to I mean Sometimes they don't have to but I mean a lot of the time they should I guess You would imagine that when the writer is coming to write this scene They have a pretty clear understanding that like each of these three characters has some objective that they're after And what should be informing their dialogue like for all of them is how do I best achieve that objective? But like that's not the point of the scene the scene has an objective Which is to essentially establish that there's drama But not resolve it yet because they want to do it later Problem is that that scene just can't play out the way that they want it to I think that's a problem I mean Yeah, I guess that's one of many explanations for why the dialogue is so broken in the show Is because there is an objective for the scene and like whatever that objective is We don't care at all what the characters in that scene actually would want to achieve with these conversations Um, they're entirely secondary I'm not sure maryll even has an objective in this scene Like the only reason she's going abroad is a tree told me so because That's literally around motivation Well, I would agree that the motivation is shallow But even even if that exists like you got to use it, you know, you got to like you got to do something with that The problem is what what a noise means it's tied as well It's not just the pedals I mean it is tied to the vision from the silmaril and then of course you have The prophecy which hasn't really been very well explained. No Prophecy is not anything about it's the prophecy It's supposed to be that um by turning away from the valour and by extension by turning away from the elves Then you're inviting numinal destruction and so having seen the vision of destruction What they are doing is going to try and hopefully in in her mind Rekindle the love of the valour and save numinal So they're going to try and save the life of their city and the pedals is kind of like their the inspiration to go The instigating factor That I think I think the show has tried to say that I don't think that that's a purely law-derived thing It's just that it's I don't know that I would have necessarily understood any of that how I had not already read Because I don't think I don't think that's what the show is saying Like she knows the island's going to be destroyed, but she doesn't know why or what's going to cause it So at first she tries to stay because she thinks that will prevent the disaster No, she tries to send the Galadriel away, right? Yeah, like she she thinks if I go over there it may like backfire on me and cause the disaster So at first a plan is to just get rid of everything and that'll keep us safe And then when the tree petals fall, she's like, okay, we that's a sign that I'm doing the wrong things I've got to do the opposite of that. But I don't think she knows anything about following the elves or There's a larger context here because we know numinor will be destroyed Like we we know the largest story. They're not going to break that canon. I wouldn't think they would no and so by the petals Because the instigating incident for me, which is what causes numinors down for is the queen leaving and letting alfaraz on then Get it all his evil things in and control the government stuff But she's leaving because the pedal is telling this. Oh, it's important that you leave So it's actually the pedals is like a greater god of this universe Telling quit the queen to leave which is causing the destruction of numinor Dude, it's all just it's all poorly explained ambiguous like prophecy Fate destiny god religion stuff And it seems like every decision is based around this very poorly explained element of the universe And there's in it and I just I like I don't know what why you're anyone's doing what anyone's doing just these vagaries of Supernatural things. I can't follow this. There's no connecting lines for me to follow as an audience member The leaves dropping when gladrials leaving. She's like, oh, so we're supposed to fight the war in middle earth then It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, that could mean many things If you're taking it literally the the leaves dropping is the god of your place saying no It could just mean keep gladrial here Could be that Here or do we send her with troops or like do I need to go exactly like like I have a whole kingdom run I have no leaves What if the pedals meant that she's doing the right thing and she was doing such a right thing that Like you know all the pedals.  Oh, damn it. It's like, oh, I'm trying to give signs and they just miss Yeah, there's only so many times the tree could say no to me Let me just show up and tell me what to do instead of giving me these vague Guide direction things with tree flowers. It's a god. Okay. What do we need to do? Oh god, just come down and tell me what to do. You can do that sort of as a narrative device There is um, I don't remember where it's from. There is an old sort of parable example of um There's a man and he lives he lives in a city and he gets his fortune told And the fortune tells him that he will die in the city that night And so of course he gets scared shitless and he runs away to his brother's house in the next city Where he is then killed because the city was not specified So like the idea that you can't escape fate But that you're only able to judge your or pre-judge your fate by the available information You can therefore be surprised is something you can do. It's a legitimate dramatic thing But you have to earn the audience's patience and understanding for the payoff then to be worthwhile Otherwise, it just seems irrational to be making because I was going to say that in in your example These avoiding a city and ends up in a city. That's that's something but this is they the pedals left when Galadriel was leaving on a boat So that means we must go to war. It's like wow. That's a jump Yeah, because I yeah, I think the vagueness in this is Deliberous, I think it's part of their whole mystery box thing that oh, we'll just draw them in because nobody's quite understanding What's going on and it also has a side benefit of a lot of people will think it's deep Simply because they don't comprehend what it is. So they think it must be something more there That you just can't comprehend yet But if you keep going you'll definitely find out this really complex plot will reveal itself and then you've got the other side where People will use that and their knowledge of the books to explain things that may not even be in the show But no you just don't understand if you take this bit from this book then and so you you Create this little army of people that will defend the show For things that it hasn't earned or doesn't deserve and probably will never happen You're absolutely right This vagueness is smoking mirrors that idiots use to try and feign, you know greater intelligence and wisdom in When they lack the capacity to achieve it naturally. It's really frustrating It's being invited by the show as well because it does keep throwing in mentions of things like the valar And there's a few names in this episode that he mentions ally for example some of the valar Which well they're only understandable if you've read the books and so they sort of appeal to people who have and say Yeah, so this is all part of the grand design, isn't it? Even though the the entire design has been uprooted and shifted around and the timeline has been fucked And actually there's no guide you can take from that anymore because they can change any of the canon they they choose to So they are inviting that kind of sympathy from a certain sort of class of the audience It's sort of dishonest and a bit shameless, but they are trying and I gather for a couple of people at least they are succeeding So separate to the conversation we're having there's another thing that bothers me here with the queen or what she does From an outside observer All these people just trust elves an elf arrives An elf arrives right and she's like no, we won't do anything for the elf We just trust you then the elf sneaks into her bedroom And now she's committing an entire army to the elf's cause I'd be thinking holy crap this elf just like Mind controlled our queen and the government is completely subverted.  They're just like, oh, we're going to war. Yes, let's do it I mean we had mentioned that moller and I when we watched these when the soldiers are leaving the city I'm like man, like do you do you you all know why you're going? To do any of you know why you're doing I almost hope they don't this is happening because how depressing if they do Well, I I assume that they don't I don't know what they would say Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. How would you how do you justify this?  I mean Yeah, yeah, that's a good And so you've got our our pharrison who's going to be this this incredibly integral character And has been portrayed in the show until this point as much more the voice of the people than the queen is And you do see him at some point in the show going through a crowd of people who are very angry at the fact that they're going to war The missing scene is him addressing those people It's like what does the demagogue do when he's lost the people who he's who support him? How does he win them back around? How does he get public support? Which then explains why the people are so willing to go to war when you see the soldiers actually leave And it fills out his character if you do that It fills out the politics of the world as you do that It fills out numeral's place in the world if you do that and it wouldn't take more than one To do that, but they don't do that They skip it and it's so weird I mean they had they had the scene when the the chicken the guy was talking and was like Don't go to war about all these people complaining about them going to war And then when they leave the entire city is cheering and everyone's on board I'm like, hang on what happened to the people that were objecting that that's a reasonable injection But no, I don't even know why these people are cheering. Yeah They were paid Farazan paid them. He's like, I don't know. I'll just cheer or something I don't know. We'll get another trade partner.  I've been told this whole time you're 100% on board Are you telling me you're not He wouldn't go and then glad to go I raised an army in everything. We got ships ready It's not even like you have doubts even like even if you got a doubt, man I'm committing a lot to like help here. Exactly. So I hate it She's the they often not in character the dialogue never goes the way it probably should judging from what people Because I think you have plenty of room with dialogue You don't have to have like one line in particular out of all lines possible But I just I just hate it when they they just give up There's a part in this episode later where Two questions are asked and they're completely ignored And I'm so tired of it when they really like They're questions that both the characters very much want the answers to Um But like it's it's the way of the right.  It's fine We got the king. It's all good. We're going and that that is the only thing that links him to being that king He's got a pouch that he says himself. He's still dead man.  I can't I couldn't believe it. It's like holy crap She assumes rightly so though that this universe will bend itself towards her will regardless of how much sense it does or doesn't make So it seems to be in character You are right about by the way about the whole never kid to me you would hand me over for a guild crest It's kind of funny because if that's seen with pharaohs on he doesn't say if you give me a guild crest I'll tell you where she goes she's going You just said he just tells pharaohs on yeah, so it's just like was he then later like hey You know I helped out with that. Can I have a guild crest now? I can see pharaohs. I'll be like no No, I really don't I I can't just make you a guild but why would you even yeah?    I couldn't believe it. I was like She's just so staggeringly unlikable in every way.   Presumably the guards are still waiting for him to escort them out. Oh, they would they would never tell anyone anything Okay, they keep it themselves.   We'll just keep it to ourselves. Don't worry. Don't worry. Little tune. We'll be back momentarily and Just and just sorry like the when you know rags are saying that she's so unlikable I can't I can't believe how truly unlikable it made her like think of that line in episode three Where she's like, who is this mortal who speaks to me as if he has the slightest idea of who I am? I couldn't believe it like Just keep going. Yeah, this this is like I'm taking you free to be grateful.  Don't worry about it. You can talk to me however you want that sort of vibe where You're like, oh man, this guy's kind of cool versus the one who's like stop talking to me like a normal person I'm better than you like oh, I think you're I think it's just pretty standard, right? Everybody's generally going to take a liking to these cool humble characters who are much more competent intelligent than they let on versus characters who have to constantly declare how great they are But it also it's like you could only behave this way and get away with it If you knew that the person had no other choice but to do what you were saying Because otherwise like you don't need them to like you you don't need to agree with you They will just do it because of who you are So apart from the fact that she's read the script and knows they're going to make that decision You couldn't act like this To anyone because you would just immediately put them off what you're trying to do because she's not clever She's got nothing on him.  She's the protagonist. She is the protagonist So she knows that everybody's going to bend to her whim Which is but again, she this she's a person in a world filled with people with their own goals Yeah, like seriously This is the type of character who you would have built up as the villain to make the audience just crave to see them Defeated because that's what I want. I want to see glad you'll just get what's coming to her and humbled and Defeated in some way and I like that's not what you want for your protagonist. You don't want me rooting for her destruction I wish everything gets in her way and hey, they they did kill her in the latest episodes All right, I'm good Yeah, the credits rolled after it's a six episode Six episodes series in total. This was a weird adaptation, but fine, you know, it's whatever it's done.   I suppose Now we've got it's so hard So hard to remember the character name. They notice there's footprints for the the wolf bear pig things And how It's miles away from the road. I don't even know And and you know, this this actually really pissed me off because they they Spent a good moment in episode one showing that a wolf was watching him when they went to pick berries and everything And they do nothing With it and if they're trying to say that this is the follow-up from that set up bullcrap piss off They are miles away from that first wolf. There's no way that that wolf tracked them out on time time No, this is a new reintroduction that now they've written into wolves on their travel Which means that scene in that at first episode was completely frigging pointless They would tell you nothing They would tell you that was introducing the wolf the problem is this introduces the wolf so Exactly, this is the introduction So yeah, I agree. What's the point of all of that if you're just going to do it again?  They're just at the footprints now looking down. Oh, no How did you even know all the way over there? Yeah, you got the road there I'll put it here So there's no reason for them to walk all over here and find these but the the show is just like no They did like oh Okay, they even walked past a set of footprints, which are closer I only just noticed that as it scrolled down It's actually true. Yeah so it's uh Yeah, okay.  I don't even know who this is his wife, baby something I don't know but she she's like, oh not a good harvest right now Most people because of that tall guy they have and he's like, I don't know What you want me to do about it? And then she's like we should have taken their wheels and left them It's like Like all the implication that these guys are psychopaths. They really wanted to confirm it in this episode It's it's not Can't to leave them to die in the wilderness What is wrong with you? Why would anybody continue to move especially if they're keeping up like you're Evil, I don't know. I am all why do they bother giving us the shock? Expression from Lady Henry if it's normal enough for her to suggest it And on top of it, right? This isn't for an actual crime or anything It's for eerie portents that they're reading and there's like it's our way We can't find food because they they've got a person with him and that's validation enough for them to like kill people There's fewer birds in the woods today must be his fault kill him It's like I'm really I can't think of another show that's done more damage to one of its groups of characters in so shorter space Of time because we've had like maybe 20 minutes of screen time during which the not-hobbits have gone from kind of charming Kind of lovable just vaguely irritating irish gypsies to oh actually they abandoned their sick to oh Actually, they kneecap people they don't like and leave them to walls because the woods scared them I think they were I think they were meant to be comedy relief because you had that whole chair rolling down the hill And it was yeah very sort of 70s kind of comedy kind of stuff And then we've got the in the very next scene as it's just pure evil She's actually talking to the people that she said yeah I think we should go and kill them as if she's their friend as if oh no just tell me what's going on She so too faced It is I mean we are the last episode we were sort of joking about the cannibalism thing But actually on the current trajectory they will be easy each other before the end of the show I think what makes them particularly contemptible is we keep saying oh they're going to kill them It's like it's kind of like they don't even they're just going to leave them to die They're going to sabotage them and leave them in the woods to die like they don't even That's that is the kind of group that they are you know like that is the most accurate interpretation It was a meme interpretation to say that they would eat them, but we're getting there It's just like how are we getting there? That's insane And the it's crazy as well because like these kinds of like this little like group of people It's very reminiscent of the you'd expect them to be the most welcoming the most friendly and chill the most wholesome like Oh, there's this guy But they like the most evil there as we were saying the orcs are competing with them right now to become more evil It's insane I don't know how we got to this point and the other thing that I really don't get Is that they all seemed incredibly sad that uh, you know the they were going to fall behind how sad that's so That's really upset. Oh By luck the spaceman has actually made it so that they can catch up with us Instead of celebrating that even for a second being like oh, it's so good that they won't die now They instead of like we're not getting as much food as usual. We have to kill them. It's like whoa now like what? And so what i'm trying to say is like uh, if someone said like are you being absurd? This is just one person with one criticism is like, yeah, but what else have we had from the half-hearts in this episode?   We're never gonna do that. Yeah, he just goes That's it You're not supposed to say that out loud. That's yeah, that's probably what it is So let me ask you this who is a kinder leader sardauk or adar Well, that's about Adar mourns they're dead. You know There is that Yeah I guess it was what he was doing to his people Um, yeah, maybe it was burning like don't worry. This will call us over and you'll have strongest skin for it. Trust me Maybe yeah, plus we're out of lotion Adar has not yet advocated killing any of his orcs for Well, yeah, if we're talking which one is the better leader like overall is definitely adar But which one's like the more caring it's like probably adar. I think yeah I'm also going for the guy who doesn't say I don't like you today. So I'm going to kneecap you And it's not just kneecap it's kneecap them in a wolf-infested forest. It's like they It's death. They they they are they're definitely debbing them to death.  That's fair. Yes. Yeah And then they will write your name down a book and then tell you for the rest of eternity We will wait for you.     I mean we wait for you. Yeah. We wait. Oh, yeah Yeah, that's that's we're very sad So, uh, yeah, the wolves start attacking everyone's panicking and I was saying arrives when we're watching it I was like, so I guess they don't have like anything close to a warrior or a Scoutsman hunter anything among them that could actually like fashion any kind of weapon, right? To the point where they don't not even like cutlery anything Like none of them seem to have any access to any weapons.  No They fear these wolves and they always have they consider like one of their top tier enemies They always bump into it's like make a spear. You'll thank me layer. Okay They punch entries in episode one to guard against the hunters not obviously to fight the hunters off But so they could tell everyone they're about to die. Yeah, that's apparently that's it Salve the horn come out lie down. It's your turn You know, it makes me think of the film willow with the you know race of dwarves They have warriors amongst them as well They have a far more rounded civilization and balance like, you know, society Play orders of magnitude compared to these freaking half-hearts Someone in chat just said was like, oh, they have a strategy. They throw their week at them and then run That's why they're one of the few They're one of the few communities that are glad to have old and weak amongst them. It's it's like It's like when you have like it's like recharging shields over your health bar You could just throw the weak and the elderly at your enemies before it starts to hurt your actual health bar They should have done that in this scene with the wolf chase if you just like picked one of them up and lobbed her at the wall They lobbed her and ran Well, lucky for them the almost to the point of dying It looks like dory's about to try and break off like a branch to use it potentially as a spear, but uh I'm gonna be able to do it. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be the cliche You know, you hold it and then wolf jumps on it. It's yeah She saw the episodes where black elf was he was just pulling things off trees and stabbing orcs with it She's like, oh, I could do that. No, right I'm sure that was the wasn't that the knife tree where he pulled a knife off the tree Wasn't that is not what that was because he was yeah, he yeah, he pulled off It just grows knives. That's the knife tree Knives are beautiful as a species. They just grow in the wild guys guys Sticks are very powerful. He just the guy knew it Well, so powerful she couldn't even break it off and that cost it.  We need to climb a tree to escape the wolves and then they climb a tree Which is about one foot off the ground In their defense That's like three feet to a hard foot Yeah, look, unfortunately the wolves are twice as tall as they are to us. So really they're still in the black They're still in the red From this shot, right nori's at ground level the woman that they were with she's sitting down like at ground level She knows she's dead. She doesn't care.  Whatever. It's fine There's plenty of trees to climb comfortable. They actually might be able to you know, get to some level of safety in that tree They're just like nah Yeah, they stop climbing. They have to be they have to have a lot of you have to have a head start in a really good tree This I think I had said this scene reminded me of something from ice age where you have the three critters They like they finally get to them and they sort of stop Together and they slowly all close in Yeah Ice age ice age was fun.  Yeah. Yeah Good times So What does Gandalf do?  It gives his arm a little fleam and he's like ouchy Small price. Yeah, you can't keep doing it, right? But yeah, really lucky he was here at the time. Geez You could have been torn up. Lucky he wasn't off doing rambling while eating snails or whatever, you know You were pretty close to just having a plot line I know I know this show does this a lot where it's like your your hated character could get eviscerated And there's no reason to follow this plot anymore. But no, we won't let it happen Like elf man. He knew he dies like 10 times in this show. It's not fair I mean, I really like it. It's an awesome character. Wait. Oh his plot.  Are they they're the actual swords?  It's like hey, see madness you should you you can only practice with Very very sharp the sharpest swords are reserved for practice because If you practice with very very sharp swords, you will really do your best to not get hit Now i'm i'm only that like so i've done a full video breaking this down and it takes an hour to try and cover everything It's i'm not sure how we do that Oh my goodness, but they're practicing in the middle of the street on steps and it's like One they can injure passerbys and two they don't have a barracks or anything to train in. Yeah, so stupid Yeah, this Because it just looks like they just set up randomly and they're even maybe stalls nearby for like merchants They're just like oh you do it. You do this. Okay. That's that's great.   I've got a shop over there just to move All right. No, I'll wait fine. Sure. Yeah swing your swords around Oh boy, yeah, so next to halbrans forge as well just coincidentally. He's there at the sidelines But funny enough, I think this is we actually because yeah, I went through this episode on On Friday night tights as well. So it's like it's all very deja vu, but Here we go again So it opens with his saying because it la deals like oh you could offer your assistance because you know everything It are really good and awesome and the best at everything So you tell my men how to be better, please. I'm just like all righty. There are many ways to kill an orc Really that is an opening train opening sentence from this genius of warfare I thought that was early one. I'm glad you were there to tell me glad you'll thanks We need a heckler in her audience to be like, whoa never thought of that. Wow Was that the only magical ritual? Was that the only person that said outside out loud when they were watching it?  Stab them And somehow right those two lines are very close to each other, but there's a little bit of cringe in the middle too Oh, okay one more line which says but for you guys, I'll keep it Strong and simple.  So I got to keep it really simple for you You tell us what the advance moves good time to learn about killing orcs This is the time like right as we're about to step on the boats essentially You go off on this weird war across the world Now I guess we might as well tell you about killing orcs or something So if these guys not had any fighting well, they evidently haven't but should they not have had any fighting experience against anyone? Because it's not just orcs that you can kill by stabbing them and twisting like that's pretty much most humanoid creatures You'd think they'd have been training with that basically since they first held a sword This island doesn't seem to have a military These are just people that volunteered to go out of like these were traders and merchants and stuff a few seconds ago The new minority people, you know the greatest worries in all the world the new minorians. Look at how great they are They have to be taught to stab What is happening? Oh, it's so difficult to watch. Yeah, but as as that is the first command she gives but a stab twist gut Basically the most like tier one is good. You may think I thought you were talking It worked right in the show stab twist gut Yes, his name is He's a good guy. He's a good guy. What's funny about that? Like that actually by by the wording gives us a location of the strike in the gut Which just means that's a slow Like a gut wound is a slow death. It wouldn't be an instant kill. It's it's actually one of the worst places to strike I think she means like to gut something but Like I don't know like if you if let's say that you have a sword, right? And it's sharp and pointy and wonderful and you stab someone with it Do you want to twist and gut or do you want to just like pull it out and do that again? The thing like do you want to twist it? The twist and withdrawal of a sword wouldn't do if you're thinking of gut like Throw out all their entrails onto the ground a stab wouldn't and a twist wouldn't do that You'll need a big slice right down their nape. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I it's just all retarded This wouldn't do what you're thinking.  Just keep stabbing until it's dead But it's worse than that because I've only just realized I think this is meant to be like an easter egg callback because that's how she kills the troll at the start When she's on his head twist. Yeah stab twist gut and then the blood flies at the camera This is meant to be a reference And she keeps stabbing him over and over and over again.  Oh, yeah That's how you do it.   It simply isn't done Something about what about twist gut stab that like Oh, don't we don't even don't even don't even get me started on twisting first Well, uh, so what did you have just like so amma what do we do with that? And she's just like baffled.  I don't care if I have armor Stab twist gut, you know how this works. It's very simple. What if york is surrendering? What if they have information stab? stab stab Certain other shows though have been telling us recently that being stabbed through the gut is actually not That big a deal and you can carry on and recover within the space of an episode at most so Is this really even the most effective battle tactic? Given that most people seem to recover from being impaled through the spot I don't know if that's what it's supposed to be because they didn't twist That was it twist and gut they did Vader didn't twist and gut. He just stabbed And that's the lightsaber that we should have done. Yeah Well, we we I think what we talked about all that It's just like if you just keep the lightsaber in for a couple of seconds They will do the rest of the work. Trust me. They will take care of it And the lightsaber quarterizes them. So as we know from this episode Well, the next episode that just magically heals everything if you get through All of it Um, so someone's going to highlight as well. Uh shad you may have thought That maybe she's not gutting it considering she's at shoulder height at this point But they very handily pointed us out here's shoulder height is actually the average man's gut height Right there. See well gut gutting is it's like, uh, it's like a verb to gut something not necessarily to stab in the gut, right?  This is why when she kills the troll and guts the jaw It's like it's just the general act of gutting. Well, that would not be pay off and set up at that point This is how we like we're finally learning like when we first saw the troll fight We're like, wow, that was incredible. How did she know to to twist and gut like that? That's incredible I would have never thought to To execute that maneuver and this is it. This is this exactly now. We're learning how she did it Everyone in the theater clapped and like that's how she learned. Oh, of course. It's a technique It's glad to know like you run about armor before but glad real knows that all the armor And this is actually just like leather or cloth with printed on things to make it look like armor So like doing that on an armor problem It's like it's like orcs for more hammer, right? You just draw the armor on and believe in it This is honestly, I don't know what the problem with the scene is Tolkien wrote all about this Tolkien often would write in in his memoirs. He twist And no, no, no, we want it.  She's like Whoa, I never thought to do that. I've never seen that move before man. Wow See, I thought she was more reacting like I thought she was actually like, can you believe this crazy character? He almost killed Kevin. Kevin, are you okay? Look how cool she looks Shad. She's so cool. Come on She even said come at me. That is something I totally expect her to say By the way, she actually does the twisting. I'm like, yeah, like wow, could you could you do that? If you've stabbed in someone with a tough straight piece of metal Could you turn it 90 degrees? Like that that's got to be that's that's got to be really incredibly strong rags Okay, she's like the strongest person in middle-earth. I think at this point Oh, the twist right might open up a wound a little bit more But it could also get your sword stuck in the target, which is you don't want to do And usually when you land a strike you want to withdraw it as quickly as possible Put your guard back up in case they still follow through an attack And so the act of focusing on twisting every time you land a hit is And what if we change the scene you have to go You can't half-assed it and stop at the twist What if we change the scene so that she's training up? Let's just say a random set of six. So land deals doing six as well But they can hear each other's sort of advice and this it starts bouncing off and she says twist The gut. Yeah stab. Woohoo.  There's a good chance.  I want something else to happen make something character related happen if you're gonna have shitty choreography Okay, I have something to offset and I beg you If you are montage montage of basic training and then you don't have to show people all of your shitty choreography Yeah, that's interesting too Is that gladriel is supposed to be like an actual commander of troops with hundreds and hundreds of years of experience at this point The advice that she gives to this unit of Fighters has nothing to do with cohesion And discipline and sticking together and covering each other It's it's just stab gut twist Like oh, thanks. I wouldn't have thought about that It's not something to do with You know like leadership So that their portrayed as being you know naive and they're they're all volunteers So presumably, you know, they've never fought before and they've not done any basic training before and yet Apparently they have all done more than basic training when it comes to horsemanship and formations Right when it comes to that they're fine So which is it that they can't be completely untrained novices or very seasoned experienced and well-drilled people You it has to be one or the other But she's actually anti-formation because she starts saying the things like fight with your feet move around Well, you can't do that in a formation. You've got people on either side Oh, I'm sorry just bro. You've already given it too much charity.  I'm flailing tube man. That's what you should do with your arms This is the strategy that one has to employ, you know, like there are people who can fight without arms like casuaries For example, they use their feet to fight So You can carry on fighting without your legs What about the snake army the snake army is they don't have well, I guess they don't have feet either but Reminds me of they have like Now, I don't know good old Batman begins a lot of people appreciate the the training scene where the main point Raizal ghoul wants to make is just be aware of where you are He doesn't say mind your surroundings because your arms are useless Like he's don't care but he's just like no no no just just just be aware because your opponent's gonna use it to their advantage And you should be doing that too that sort of thing where if she said mind your footing Because that could be the difference between you know victory and loss like nobody's gonna take issue with that But when you say it's all about your legs not your arms.  Yeah, look, I would have even if she said fight with your feet as much as your arms I'll be like, yeah, okay. That's fair enough.  They do they do not do that though. And uh, I don't know the curiosities I want to go over this so Elendil's like if anyone can like hit her I think it's a score flesh if anyone can do that on gladrile. They get lieutenant Um score a hit or something. Yeah So, uh, is that like common because what is what rank is lieutenant overall in terms of like how far up is that compared to just sort of soldier Lieutenant is fairly high.  So now that makes you qualified to do those things like calm down It's bad enough. We don't have we don't have any training for you guys anyway I don't even know where the army is don't even ask and we're sending you off to fight And you have to learn about stabbing twisting and gutting And one of you is going to be a lieutenant I'm not it pays better So that's something I can think of better ways to sort of order military affairs and essentially who wins the game of tag And then they could just carry that going because whoever tags the lieutenant can become the lieutenant instead That not sure is there's a really good basis for military organization But it's a basis and then treating rank as well here as like a treat as opposed to Something you are because you've earned it and that's the that's the appropriate level skill you have You know, it's like who wants this Well, one would demonstrate skill, but this turns into one v five where it's just look If she happens to be dealing with someone else when you're absolutely like What she achieves in this scene is just you guys suck and I am great She doesn't actually teach them anything of significance and like focusing on all right Because yeah, you can point out mistakes But then what you should follow up from that is this is how you overcome the mistake All she is is pointing out your mistakes and saying how sucky you guys are and how great I am It's just an ego fest for her. She's the way around it Which I think is quite quick and easy to do is whilst they're doing like the five on one fight You have one of them start sort of naturally giving orders that you stand there You stand there that surround her and then as a result of the movement. He's on the spot planned He's the one who scores the hit and then you you accomplish both things so that you show He's got natural leadership qualities. He also scores the hit so it started It you know meets the criteria set out at the beginning And it makes the fight a little bit more interesting because at least you can see someone learning something from it This isn't the first time we've seen this character. So we've had opportunities to show this stuff Oh, yeah, but he's just like some guy You know and and I wonder is this gonna hurt them by by having them fight against her who's Who's so skilled the universe spends to her will and desires Versus how you're gonna be fighting against orcs Is this the kind of Like is they've never been over there before so for all they know That's the fighting standard. They're going to go and meet as soon as they get to middle earth They don't know she's truly that exceptional.  They're very single minded creatures They'll always attack you. Yeah They'll attack say down a straight line.   This is getting me lost. So like didn't he hit her? He's like swinging and shooting up and she only dodges After it lands if you will Hang on on top of that. He's doing exactly what she said She's stabbing it. She's showing him that it doesn't work. So why didn't you tell it to stab? Because that's how you kill orcs not elves. Yeah elves don't work that way. So this is relevant to orc trading This is really it's it's yeah orcs are stab twist gut now orcs Those are twist gut stab. All right and elves are gut stab twist. He needs to gut first.    Or are they just made to look like practice?  So it's probably a real sword It's a real And what what happens if like when you hold it up to someone's neck they sneeze and accidentally cut their jugular It's like whoops I was fine because allendials having fun. Okay, and that's all man And look she holds the blunt end of the sword to him and people might say Oh, it's intentional, but later on the fight she holds the sharp end of the sword to someone as well So just goes to show that she's not paying attention to her edge position at all Oh, so it's probably mine, but like she's probably have a head side in like a ponytail. No, it looks cooler if it flows looks Missing as well is painful and he just Well, there was one before where he swung and she like did a little like she she dodges like I feel like if you just swung back you would have got her like if you would just followed it through by swinging again That would have been she look here sharp edge now on him where before it was the blunt edges It's fun. What's that swing? So she can't even see the swing to dodge it So she has no idea if she's about to walk backwards into a blade coming straight at it Have you considered that he has all information?  Not that that's a problem Yeah, he goes to stab his mate. I'm sure with that one. He doesn't go for her I don't know what he was aiming at then. She didn't move much to dodge. It's like he just aimed at the floor I mean she is so smug throughout all of this You can see why they might end up wanting to kill her if if I were doing anything sport whatever And the person I was playing against wore the expression she wears when she's going through this I think yeah, I am actually going to love this sneak a cue at your face by the end of this game I was really surprised that they actually had him tagging Um, I really didn't expect that when I first saw this that she would get tagged. I was like, oh my god Wow I would have thought maybe that she would allow it to happen on purpose so that she You know gives them some level of hope or something not that it happened against her will They might have been going for that though Maybe Oh, this little elbow sends the guy for like He's gone He's flying Her strength compared to your own guys is to just like swing these wide horizontal swings like that when you're in this melee Like she must have 20 times the strength or something because she's blocking full on strikes with the most gentlest of taps And especially when they don't wear with her face Her strength must be Right, how would you not have that face when you are just a god person compared to everyone else in every regard? Oh, I feel like I'd just be bored all the time Yeah Well, it's just you know, what we learn from Saitama is that if you're like all powerful and nobody can defeat you You just walk you just falls over for no reason. Yeah So and what this guy's aiming for the middle of them. Yeah I uh, I find it really lame when people say that if you slow down every fight soon that they fall apart It's just not He opens his arm He walks into the sword again, how did you do that?  You should be able to this is like the one sword fight They've probably had to deal with them like that's so much money You know, like well, they said much money The director spoke about it. He said this was really easy because of all the time they'd put into practice We didn't have to use any face doubles or anything.  You don't make errors That's the whole fucking point that makes a one or impressive And even Even says it was such an easy film to see that not only didn't not take a day But the scene that comes later between her and hellbrand also took a day So those they seems those as I man, that's not the brag I only spent a day filming that's not a brag because they're so good for me. It only took 11 days to write the script Well, it's it's fine. Do you see that? She almost kills him. What? Yeah, he just dodges the sword. Good on him. Honestly, she would have killed her She knew it. She she's like I have assessed his combat capabilities. He's operating at 76 Maximum potential He will slow at air inertia level b 0.6 She's like a computer a super computer untouchable I just uh I decided to look it up because when you mentioned the one is so the the hallway fight and dead level season one They only had two days to rehearse it and half a day to film it It's like mad and they had a lot less money than you and look how it turned out.  They must have had Well, it's just um, what is the When I look at this fight, I'm not even sure what it is that's meant to be really exciting and cool about it Is it that they're fighting in like kind of a bizarre and they're fighting through are they all useless? Because it's not very impressive if they're all supposed to be useless right now Like they're not trained at all, which is the thing that we're trying to figure out. She's amazing You know what she said then she says don't plant roots keep moving. That's what they'll be doing the whole time. They've been Feed a bit firmer and focus on where they're just trying to hit things because they like I don't see the appeal of a fight scene where it's just like abs Ah, okay, so I am just going to keep talking about how much I like the dead of all ones The reason why that everybody likes those so much is particularly because he gets tired like it's really clear that this Forum it's hard Like there's parts where they they all get so exhausted that they have to take like five sexes to catch their breath Like what's really endearing about it is that it is such an uphill battle That he has to work really hard to claim that victory, but here it's effortless It's easy.  I don't I don't know what the I don't know why this is really cool. They want to make it was cool I guess like if you think that she's cool, then this probably was a really fun scene. I guess but You're supposed to come away with a sense of awe about what her capabilities. How amazing she is it's set up everything that she can do in