explanation of the third one. He was almost like saying things and then being like, uh, that makes sense. Yeah Yeah, we'll go with that and it's like, oh, that's a bit awkward for someone who's such a seasoned writer And that was what your video did to my impression of emil So what where are we going from here? You know keep it I do love I do love that we have people that aren't familiar with this discourse because I think it helps a lot to get an outside perspective I'm almost completely out of the loop on this one Good which he explains as being about having a single strong central theme in a story Right what you know what he said. Is that what he said what he that's what he said I remember that that was one of the lines that he said I thought he implied multiple things like a couple It's completely factual When emil was asked to give us how about this how about this?  Oh well Which he explains as drawing from personal experience in your writing where he gives an example And he says here personal experience because later he's gonna drop that personal part to explain why firsthand experiences aren't personal experiences What what the fuck? Oh, yeah Well, the problem with all of this is that um when you say something like i'm gonna draw from my catholic experiences to Create the dark brotherhood You really need a lot of explanation for you get by that like if i'm gonna You know generate a faction in space called the gligs and i'm like i'm drawing on my typing kindergarten You're like what are you like? No, no, no, trust me This little makes sense Like i feel like you've made this harder to understand by giving me that information Even in the full speech it kind of comes across that way though because he he mentions how syphus and the night mother are the evil versions of god and the virgin mary and he just Kind of moves on we don't know what that means. I was about to say explain it I think a lot of this Only makes you ask more questions and to be honest with you when you go to 40 minute speech That is the time to make things very clear. You got plenty of time to do it Full of working on the thief series and growing up catholic when designing the dark brotherhood And lastly great that's one way to put that's one way to put that part If only we knew what the fuck he meant by that This is what i mean You're giving so much space and like i guess you know good faith interpretation to someone who should be really good at this And they they had so much time too It's um and it's amazing how much you cut out It's not made a company-wide motto at first about the importance of iteration and play testing and creating games Which was especially cringe. He just said he just said the iterative process. I don't think he said play testing I also don't think he said it was important in general rather than it's something we do As opposed to the reality, which is every single developer does this Well, it is their um their company motto. I think they don't even know what their motto But if he explains the motto to mean we play the games we make it's like yeah, everyone does That's what I mean like you need you're gonna give me more than this Oh, it's an iterative process. Oh, yeah, what does that mean? It means that we play it and then we notice stuff and then we change it based on that stuff and then we play the game Wow, oh someone's writing this down. This is no This is not something you just assume before Bethesda showed up on the scene you should write for mark brown Emil then also says he applies this as a writer by making sure to remember that you are writing for an interactive medium Which is different to non interactive mediums That's a very charitable way of interpreting that interactive mediums are different than non interactive medium I agree British man. You left out the whole resentment Left out the whole resentment angle that you guys picked up on despite not knowing him He gives a light-hearted analogy of just because writers want to write the next great american novel Doesn't mean players will comply and might instead make paper airplanes out of the pages That's not really an analogy. It didn't make sense. That's not an analogy What's funny is that uh before that wasn't comparing things that was just saying these two things are different Before explaining his position like I said, I included the potential interpretation that they're going to tear into your story They're going to be like this doesn't make sense. This is like no, that wasn't a part of it at all He just said that people go off and craft stuff In between story points and I guess that's the equivalent of taking your pages out of the book and turning them into paper airplanes That doesn't seem that doesn't seem right at all does it just doing whatever they feel like Therefore, don't forget about player freedom when writing Of course, they don't leave out don't leave out the jagged pill part Things said in this speech it is over 40 minutes long A lot of it is about fallout 4 or providing other examples of these three rules. Wait, is that the hunt? It might be the hunt.  Well, he's bringing it up because mads mickelson is from denmark Oh Oh You know what? You guys That is that is rags his way of saying he's immensely disappointed. That's the correct response In my summary, I focused on the rules rather than fallout 4 because these days for negativity focuses on ammo himself More than fallout 4 No, no, no, no, no, you should have done that because fallout 4 is just the example of the application of the rules And so it's not really relevant Well these if you give me like honest perspectives like what do you think of these rules?  It's like, how do I solve that? You go keep it simple Okay As for that negativity. Oh god, I mentioned this when I was watching it the first time. Why would you full screen blur? I feel like my he's making my stigmatism worse Well, this is because we can see something is about to be revealed this anticipation now. We're like, oh boy What's this gonna be? Yeah, just inspiring video makers. Don't do this.  Holy moly We're not even there. Yeah. We're not even there. It's necessary Anyway, I don't I don't know. Why is it necessary? I seriously this must be in the video Oh Makes me think like Because uh, one of the things when I was making the unbridled videos. I was like I think I was devising sort of like intros I was like, what do I need to say it's like one you're in for a long video two You're in for swearing three.  I'm just gonna start like what's the they'll they'll figure that out as they go along I'm one of the more common comments I get that are always like kind of fun and have encouraged me to continue doing the method that I do is people being like I clicked this assuming it was a 10 minute video and then after a half an hour I realized the film hadn't the video hadn't ended. Yeah, this is like, yeah I get told uh, I thought this was an eight minute video and it ended up being eight hours Uh, but I I mean I do the slow boil introduction stuff too, but um That tends to be more relevant I tend to talk about the meta of like The state of videos on on youtube at that time and what I've done it to Um, the unbridled videos were weird and sort of different But as someone just highlighted you did a really long intro with the clips from Futurama and Buffy for the Ahsoka review Uh, you can do a long lead in if it's good So take it from me and I think I was with Theo and capital opinions watching the premiere Even my own fans were pissed off with me for taking so long before I got to Ahsoka Just check the like if you guys rewatch that video have the live chat open People were getting super angry that I hadn't talked about star wars in 10 minutes Let's just look intro intros are hard, but like this ain't it especially this point is like Providing evidence and fact checking and shit. All of this should be later in the video when it's relevant Hey rags, did you have a nice poop? Um, I Yeah, it went all right. Um, how has uh, has a meal said anything funny while I was going? No, we're purely back to the british man He's been explaining to us why everything is so long and he still hasn't gotten to anything yet That's that's that's gonna be a future efap But if you want to watch it, it's like stag number three and one of my oblivion streams I don't I don't want to ruin it for myself I want to I want to go into a live stream and let it I want it to just yeah, I want it raw I want to just wash all over me hashtag team trap Well, we've gotten so much material out of it. It's like a gold mine Especially with the context of he's a really shitty writer By the way, some people in chat are saying like, oh, I love that lead up to the asoka video Do you know there was gonna be a third section? It was gonna be about hannah and bly manna that was all Prepared but that um by the time I'd written out the buffy and few trauma ones I was like, this is too long people are gonna get mad and people did get mad just for those two When you say hannah bly manna, I thought about hannah montana Was the asoka video the 45 ish minute one? Yes, my shortest video in a long time star wars Can't grow up. Yeah. Yeah, I do like that video. Oh, thank you Yeah, it's all right. Anyway, now that you've heard the most infamous speech in the entire history of game development And once again, we see as he's bringing it back.    I'd be like, hmm. Yeah, like of course we're upset.  You just showed it to us The bold time to lie. What did you think? I hated your section, but I love to talk That was funny Disappointing if I would just genuine perspective on this isolated from everything just the things I heard from that as a writer And writing advice. I'm generally triggered by writing advice. You you'll you'll understand this the more you watch eFAP There's not much writing advice I find to be like definitive rules that I find satisfying oftentimes they are A best rule of thumb and the the thing I would add on to them that I would want them to add on It's like don't break this rule unless you understand why it's a rule in the first place that sort of thing But um a general foundational rule of writing is like they they better be fucking good And the the three I just got presented with don't fill me with confidence like I said What I was told I have family members who teach writing professionally what I was told was When you're in college, you learn the fundamental rules of writing so that in your professional experience, you know What rules you can and can't break because there are no rules the rules are made up Pretty much. There's only advice It's um when someone says like make your main character courageous You're like, okay, but what if I don't want to make him courageous like yeah Yeah, do you understand why someone would tell you that as like a basic advice? And then if you say like well because you want him to be endearing to the audience You wanted to have qualities that big people feel You know somewhat invested in his actions If you start with someone Yeah, who is if you start with someone who's cowardly passive and lame then people might not care about what he's gonna get up to in life So if you're gonna do that make sure you understand you need to bring in something else to get people attached And at that point you're like so really I could make him anything and you're like, yeah We're just trying to warn you like about how audiences work basically Though we do stick to the whole rule of try to make things coherent Don't tell me x is something and then tell me it's not something otherwise. I can't actually start getting Well, I was about to say start getting invested. I can't start anything If the whole thing is contradictory, I guess Does this man need to be fired and should That's kind of funny. It's like from that speech. Do you think you should be fired? I'm like Wow I guess I wouldn't fight for their philosophy But like the the problem is that philosophy is going to result in if I if I were hiring writers and that's what he pitched me I'd be like, that's okay, buddy. I'm going to try someone else Yeah, why did he present the context like that?  If you're trying to say he's good at giving presentations I think I don't think he should just be fired.  I've heard some awful awful things Trigger warning this video discusses threats of violence I hope you're sitting if not against our king. Please have someone with you in case you faint Emel if you're watching this, but yeah like objection relevancy. I've never said he should be fired And I don't think I have Don't know that it should be not okay to say that I I feel like if someone Here right now said he should be fired. I'd be like I mean, that's a good that's a valid interpretation You know if you feel that way and you believe that is the righteous thing to have happened as a result of his writing abilities It's like that's that's your opinion. I guess I just said the word And and youtubers feel justified in harassing and hating him. Ah, there we go Sorry that you're a public figure who makes like so I think it needs to be said because it's sort of the underlying basis for a lot of this stuff Emel is not my friend Emel is a person who works for a corporation that's selling me a product And also I pay money for that product harassment is uh asking people to retweet your post on discord That's harassment. It's it's cringe. I'd agree, but I don't think it's harassment If I'm to be as nice as possible I don't even think I can qualify it this way But if if someone would said like call him a big ugly loser everyone retweet this I'd be like, that's not very nice. And so I said is that harassment? I'd be like Maybe probably not worth calling that harassment because that word is quite significant But it might qualify by some definition Interpretation from the actual like legal term and how it's used but like what what I've been struck by already Is this this screenshot is filled with different accounts And if all of them are saying similar things Not even the same thing similar things. Does that count as harassment?  I can't they'd be like well, so this is harassment, but I'd be curious how this man I guess bullying dog piling being mean I think dog piling is a more accurate term not the nick. Well, so harassment has connotations. It is a crime Yeah, that's well, that's why they think they often use the word it sounds a lot more serious And so I'd rather pull it out when we need to dog piling feels more appropriate Um, because again, I think it makes people think about whether or not it's Would I use the word justified? That's the complicated part, right? Because if someone For example, uh, someone makes a youtube video about um, Emil Pajumbo And he's actually just some swedish guy working at Tesco's or whatever the equivalent is And he gets all this stuff and he had nothing to do with anything We'd be like that's that's horribly unjustified. Why are you picking on Pajumbo?  That's why and it's like, oh, that's that's terrible Um, which again, it feels like the creator of this video feels that that's the case if Emil Pagliar Rulo Made the worst game ever that involved let's just say heinous elements of story That everyone thought were disgusting. Would that then would this wouldn't be harassment anymore? You just want justified? I don't know.  It's just dog piling but two like that's just part of releasing something. Yeah, you get more traffic That's what you get more traffic around the time that it releases. That's just well So the strategy for instance by this definition.   This is going to be very relevant later This is hundreds of thousands of views on this video. This is encouragement to harass these people Yeah, you better watch out Lloyd Christmas. We're coming for you I mean like one of these comments is I don't get why they give him one of the lead roles when he said himself Players don't care for the story. Which is just untrue like really that's harassment Like I feel like if you have to scrape the bottom of the pit to get that That's what I mean, right like I just don't believe you this comes across as desperate Well, and he's always also pitching it is just firing when several of these people are putting it in terms of demotion We are not only familiar with many people telling us to die Many people having threads saying they need to be removed But we have like individual people like movie bob advocating for our actual like You know eugenic level destruction from the gene pool All of these things put together. We're still like, yeah This is just people being mad because we have opinions. Well, uh, that's the funny part too.   I'll yes, I will I will read it out You have to say it in his voice though.   Do you mean like what the general? Yeah, the general like the general clapback Uh, he thinks he says, ah, yes audio interview where I said we don't write up a giant design document for the whole game Before we start so he doesn't even know that he's in trouble for the presentation He thinks that it's an audio interview Which I thought was wild and then I realized there is an audio interview that I've cited in my videos before where he it's the one where he says that Um, he basically says that they leave it up to modders to do some stuff That is the oblivion five-year anniversary Bethesda podcast episode I have to ask does that include bug fixes? I need an answer for this. He doesn't specify bug fixes. He's in the context He's talking about like thief and um, like uh, the blackjack and all those Yeah, that's what I mean. He said that like modders are going to drive safe. You just see Yeah, he said the modders are going to add that stuff anyway. So there's no point in them adding that stuff Um, I've included it a few times as like in my uh, oblivion and skyrim video I legitimately think he thinks that's what he's in trouble for is that interview I mean he doesn't even know He doesn't even know about like that. We're talking about this presentation But then again, that is assuming that this isn't just like no, I'm not mad guys for real. I'm not mad at all Yeah, I mean he was coping and seething a bit but like I think that was like in the face of just people talking directly about him, which you know, you're allowed to Express dissatisfaction with the way that people are talking about you. I won't criticize you The thread the one that asman gold was looking at what was what was that in summary? Uh long one out of 15 funny how disconnected some players are from the realities of game development And yet they speak with complete authority. So basically he was talking about like uh, he was advocating for credentialism And how if you don't make games you shouldn't comment on how they're made Um, but people will so you know Like even if even if that was a good point, which I don't think is like the there's like a thing that children You can't convince people not to do it Like you're never going to be able to convince people not to have a perspective on things that they're not experts in um, because I mean it doesn't even They're going to have an opinion and that opinion matters Of course it does you're selling games to people who most of them aren't going to know how video games are made But their opinions on your games still matter Well, he doesn't know how videos are made well He probably knows how power points are made Brand of mine was working on Becoming a game developer One time I was sleeping over and he passed me his laptop and he was like you should try this and it was like You know type in a couple of things and then you can make your character jump And he was like then you can make this and it does this you can make this and does this from code to thing And like if I met how much of that do I have to do before my opinion is allowed? Yeah, who was that a judge of us you were sufficiently Enlightened to have a perspective on this topic. That was that was my response at the time was um Credentialism doesn't work because I don't say every video the level of experience that I have uh With indie game dev if I've ever made anything or I don't talk about the books I read or the presentations I watch I mean you don't know the level of education that a person has and you shouldn't assume that they're just uneducated unless they're wrong But you have to prove they're wrong Again, you can move past that completely because when a chef makes a meal for people most of them aren't professional chefs But their opinion matters because they're paying for that And they're gonna have an opinion on it like regardless of whatever their level of experiences or not Same goes for uh, if you get someone to do construction Like even if you don't know how to build anything or you get your car You know, you expect that that car is gonna work even if you don't know how it works You can't you can't convince people to not have an opinion on things that they're paying for Yeah, and Well, it goes because Other than that too um Shad has recently been uh embroiled in a drama between him and another sword tuber.  Yeah, it's not really about like the idea that Imagine like the greatest swordsman of all time and then he got into like a horrific accident where he lost both of his arms It's like well now you can't talk about swords ever again, bud. It's like, uh, I don't think that's true actually um, you know and I just I think it's brutal that he made this whole video and then a day later the guy who was defending said Yeah, I didn't phase me at all.  Yeah, so he is big man. That is me.   Green movie's a scene not made Why are you laughing? I watched the footage. I think this is true. This is true. Praise me. Christopher Stuckstein Well, he's got the red hair too like I'm telling you there's wisdom in those logs. Good god. We have so much video And I'm like a meal he is gained Don't worry if you don't have an answer quite yet. There are many more arguments to come and more evidence I didn't I couldn't figure that out running looking at the right time here those arguments Keep in mind the context He the point he's making right now is he's no he's talking about his like time as a baby And this was the fucking redhead baby image that he found time as a baby Well, okay, he's gonna mention that but like he has this whole anecdote about why he's here And like how his parents went on vacation to Denmark without him. And so that's why he went to Denmark Okay This was a Is Don't make fun of them. They're just different you're doing their best. Do you have a prescription for the melatonin? event The speech might even have been hastily written Hey But also that sounds like he's saying yeah, the speech is a little wonky If he fucked it up, why didn't he do another one when it was better prepared That's what I would do human nature that you'd you'd mess up your speech a little bit But these sorts of events Because they help smaller game devs Okay, god, how mean do I want to be you know like the whole help smaller game devs Like people say that about mark brown all the time and whenever we watch his videos and he's like press a to jump We're like How much is that actually helping people really?  Yeah, you're like mark brown Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like why are you giving it to them? That was you that was all you Yeah, you were the hero all along actually this time Working and having a bigger name speaker helps attract. I need someone to tell me like all well and good Why is it relevant?  That's okay But what's the point of saying this to me? At least the point this sounds like excuses and it's like wait Why are you making excuses for a guy that you were presenting to me as having made cogent coherent and specific points? Why are you now telling me? Hey, man? He was underprepared. He was he was not ready to tell you He's just a goofy guy.  Yeah, you could write.  Are you telling me that this is how he does his meetings too because that might explain why the games are the way they are Why are you the way that you are?  You've brought up the catholic church Listen the great dragon gorgolash is based after Jesus Todd is Todd is God and fall out for is the Holy Spirit and I'm Jesus No, just leave it Todd is God He is a game developer.  He does meeting You know what this reminds me of is uh, the inside story video about uh, no man's sky And it was he puts in about how shulmari was not ready for it not experienced for it But at the same time the damage was done and he had to make up for it You know, I mean, also this doesn't excuse the substance of what he was saying. No Well, what I'm getting at though that is the the same things were said about shulmari But in the context of how much work he did to make up for his mistakes Like oh, he wasn't ready for this. He was he had he had little time to plan He had to make promises based on like other deals. He had made just like, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Fine. I understand all of that But these things still happened It's like, okay, so the more substance well, and he's still flat out lied about multiplayer Oh a lot of lies were told right but yeah I recommend that video by the way check it out the uh, I think it's called the ingudening of no man's sky Which is at this point completely outdated because the amount of shit they've added since then which is kind of crazy to think about And many people find public speaking difficult that I don't even I don't care our problem isn't with his awkwardness of anything. No, that's what makes me kind of like just want to ruffle his hair And say, oh you I can't believe that Do you have a look at you? Am I here in Copenhagen? I don't do this. I don't speak. I prefer to stay in my office and make games Okay, I'm probably not this I mean, that is why are you giving us 10,000 excuses? What do you think is still good faith? Very first thing. Yes. I do. I still do think that this I don't I don't sense a trap from this No, I mean he said that this is good faith Like I'm not even coming at it from the trap angle. He said this summary is in good faith Well, it's so weird that he spent so much of it saying it like trying to explain his his shittiness It is strange Because I wouldn't think about that until like he really wanted to focus on how shitty he was of a public speaker. Yeah, it wasn't now I'm thinking about it. Yeah, I wasn't even targeting his like awkwardness. I was just going for the yeah the weight. Yeah No, he like he literally like brings out points I'm a bundle of nervous energy.  How do you like we feel? That was my whole point was that what he it's like saying that oh, I just tripped and slipped inside your wife like He got a passport. He got on a plane. He went to a european country and he gave a talk Like there's so many levels of like he should have you don't say this stuff accidentally He wasn't drunk at a bar being surreptitiously recorded I think accidentally made a 40 minute presentation I think what's the most important here is that he had enough prep time to write down his points of view And that's what we got out of it.  I believe it. Yeah, I believe it each had an enormous impact This is what turned the world against emil It's a bit dramatic. No, I think this incant conjunction with fallout four I think you might be on the money there people well, okay So that's the thing if you showed me this and then said this guy wrote mom.  You're like In conjunction with seeing the that whole fallout four thing.  I slipped inside your wife's speech 100 They came shrewd work This was what caused negative comments about emil to go from there but rare to being Oh, that's that's a silly way to like categorize that But I mean at the same time What a shock that his contributions to like a public statement would lead to more interactions with him publicly Like yeah, because all that happened is now it's pad Also, this isn't even dissatisfaction with the writing with the guy who you know wrote it This isn't even negative or positive. That's just searches for his name Yeah, which again makes sense if it got around I guess instead it was majority negative. Well Going on his word. Yes, but at the same time. I don't that's not surprising. This is not a good performance Is it it's not that the speech itself the speech If the speech existed everybody's like wow, that's weird the writing is so amazing I don't know why you would have said that like that's not what happened It would have been the other way around that the speech is like, oh damn that explains a lot about how crap the writing is every my guess anyway everywhere But that didn't happen right away. Okay. Yeah, that's how Well, yeah, we still haven't gotten to Made aware of this speech in Copenhagen. I had to learn about it from someone We gotta introduce the villains of the story soon. Okay.  Yeah, we go on. This was first uploaded and then posted to our full out The response was mild.   Oh, so not even not even 13 million views Just a 12 we know more than anyone else that joseph anderson video can do incredible damage to it I've inclined to agree. Yes.  I mean hang on. Let me check the like I'm pretty sure that wouldn't hit. I would not hit r slash all Yeah, because the it would say Fallout subreddit the unofficial molar subreddit. They've got let's just like 12 hours ago Daisy Ridley shuts down reporter calling star ones fan star was fan sexist, which by the way is pretty cool Uh, that's got 505 upvotes Unlike my subreddit. I say my subreddit. It's really not but like the the subreddit that covers the stuff that we do On e-fab or all my stuff is is like considered very small very very low exposure The idea that like a 170 I don't know that just seems weird that we would be citing this as like High exposure in any way shape. No, this is totally how we found out about it. Hmm Comments they were mixed. I live in downtown go through some starting at Gluganslarst or wherever it was The first is about Hayo Miyazaki.  Bro, you know, it's reddit is simultaneously the most worthless and yet also the most important place on the internet Just to clarify you're saying this about zeke freak The man himself. I apologize. I apologize Zeke freak. Zeke freak. Hmm You know what? I'm gonna go ahead and say it could be zaky frack or something like that. Who knows? So yeah, just saying don't disrespect Lucky's face shows Wait, is this an actual thing that happened? Is this in this in the talk? Yes. Yes. You probably did you mean it ironically? Like you probably don't recognize now. No Okay, I probably wouldn't recognize him based on justice face. That's also that you say Yeah, I was gonna say that's also i'm surprised fringy hasn't said anything yet Fringy, what is your opinion on this that are happening on zeke freak? Typically this here that we've got on screen this here. Yes. Yeah Jam I know Miyazaki that not personally but like I know his work and stuff, but I don't know his physical appearance Probably like I couldn't spot him in a line. I feel like he's a very iconic kind of character. You know, he's got a very iconic look If you if you showed you know the beam of him will be uh The him leaning back in the chair with the cigarette like that's a pretty common thing If you showed me a picture of him, I would probably go. Oh, yeah I've seen him before many times But if you were to say here are six old asian dudes, which one is Hey, yeah, hi yo Miyazaki I'd be like I don't know man. I understand. It's it's one image and it's in the middle of a presentation. You'd recognize If you're gonna recognize Yeah, yeah, I know him. Yeah. Yeah, I know him. Yeah But if you were to say if you were if you were to show me that picture and say name this man I'd be like, I don't know but showing me the picture and telling me, you know, that's hey Miyazaki, I'm like, oh, yeah, I've seen some of his movies. Yeah, I know what you're talking about Fair enough Yeah, you guys just scratched the surface on emulisms. There's like Emulisms The next is a summary. Well Oh, I'm not gonna read all that the next is positive about emuls rules and negative about how they apply to Very interesting.  There was like two parts and it had thousands of upvotes and millions of video adaptations I'm not even using that word lightly like that that's what it took to bring him down and bring some level of awareness to the thing The idea that one reddit thread with less than 200 upvotes. I'm just like, how relevant is this thing really gonna be? I don't know Is it relevant enough to justify spending time on? We are nearing 20 minutes into this video. Do I care what za chomp thinks?  Like the chomp is my god. They chomp is my favorite.    So I'm surprised we've spent so much time here But they're all gonna be relevant. I'm sure The next is also several people are claiming to be za chomp in in chat.   I am za chomp And so is the next the next is deleted the next is why did you even thank you? All right That there is a comment the likes of which we have no idea and by including it in this list You're implying that it was like a negative comment.   I would say yeah Don't follow any of the structure in this and you'll be okay.    I can hear it What it is is if this was a focused takedown of me, I would be in the title I'd be in the thumbnail, right? He doesn't want to do that. Well, I mean, I am in the thumbnail. He shows my video's thumbnail But it's not straightforward that this is a takedown, right?  We've all been there Yes, so on overall it's a mix of responses, but most of the negativity.  Do we need to know what the guy who wrote has 11 upvotes? Do we need to read that? Do we need to know what deleted said? Okay? Elosiper of his age Let's read it out deleted comments. Let's do it. Those are my favorite comments The thing I take away from this is that they wrote the whole story without taking into consideration The fact that it's supposed to be a role-playing game It sounds like they wrote a fallout themed book and then haphazardly shoved it into the game Am I the only one who thought the story felt tacked on? This is harassment All of their games it seems like the story is tacked on to the mediocre gameplay. I was gonna say this doesn't sound new That's a nice opinion, but uh Nice opinion make a big make a big world. Nice harassment to what you should play and tack on a story to it Then boom you have made a Bethesda game Well, it is funny how he says Fallout themed but like this doesn't specify what game he's talking about And you were like which you know, it would be if you ignore the seven years ago It's like what game is this criticism off you'd be like How well this is aged as a comment.    What is this section stop?   It's not justified that people Complain about it. But after the fact Yeah, p you can't just you can't just look at patterns of behavior and have your opinion change over time based on those patterns That would be ridiculous I suppose an interesting comparison because we alluded to it earlier is that um I looked at joseph addison's comment section on a soma video and selected several many people with higher votes saying Thank goodness.  They don't sales are lower The game has no respect that the developers think it was a mistake.  That's the craziest part. It's just it's just objection relevance Yeah, why are we admitting all this into the evidence?   Don't forget to like it. It's a public service. That's why he's not doing that Public on fool out for public men rather than emil himself Incredibles Oh Oh, yeah, right. This was 2017. It wouldn't be out. Okay. Okay. It's just going out the good one But we have no idea Like guessing what he must be talking about based off of his powerpoint is more interesting than the never knows best video Why not if you're going to include a random clip of emil talking Why wouldn't you include one that we've already seen so that we're not like distracted by the picture of the incredibles on the screen Well, because now my my imagination is running it's like is he referencing because he's like families or Structure of like the hero's journey involved in a wider story or something. Oh, I don't know one seems to think this speech is that shocking and That gap was pretty funny not gonna lie all right No, anyone lines up with your own thoughts about the speech and so This speech the most infamous speech in the entire history of game Okay, so he added the word entire to his to his whole spiel He wasn't saying entire before but also we didn't say that, you know, anyways I always thought he was going to say the most evil speech in the history And I was like, wait a second Be this is the worst thing to happen in Denmark This speech was an inspired full out 76, so I'm gonna really get worse than that.   One thing I wanted to say Locates Emil Pagliarillo do not expect quality storylines ever again. Yes. It is that bad. Damn See now this one's got 8.4k It's most significant And at last after all this boring introduction that I guess at last You made it boring. You didn't have to be boring.  You could literally skip to here fired I like that past never knows best is being judged by present never knows That was boring just thinking this this is a mistake. I shouldn't have done this I Maybe at this point I would allow I have to wonder how many people have like made take downs like this and just quit halfway through Because they realized it was stupid That happens a lot more than you'd think Um, there are a couple of because you mentioned the commentary community If you take 20 minutes to get to any kind of juice people are not watching it.  I'm just saying but because there's so there's so much you can learn from like, um, Uh, uh, I was about to say filmmaking a video making point of view of like the amount of choices that they have made up to this point And like I still even this far into the video.    Um, there's one part I want him to say in about 15 seconds. Okay All right, we can do that In an ideal world You would have watched the entirety of emil's speech And then you would take the time to read the entirety of this reddit post Because I don't think there is any so what's crazy What's crazy is I think he could easily have summarized the important elements of both the speech and the reddit post in 20 minutes easily Yes, or you refer to the emil's speech as being something terrible and awful And then you show how reasonable it actually is as the counter examples to the claims made But that would be like somewhat clever and interesting. I guess it was executed well Yeah, anything I can say that will accurately communicate just what a drastically Uncharitable and inaccurate representation of emil's speech this post is okay Which is funny because the guy himself has been saying that it was an uncharitable and inaccurate interpretation of his post A flying man He had to go out of his way to like white out the part of the context of these clips That's kind of weird. You know, that's that's pretty that's some people suss right there Why wouldn't you just highlight the relevant parts? Why would you cut out the context? Yeah Sometimes I think people genuinely do that on accident without realizing how much it like undermines their own position But you know, I assume you're not going that direction All right, uh, we can we can jump ahead to the next uh, the the next interesting part Oh, thank goodness, which is going to be cretosis's part, correct No, it's seven minutes. Oh I Wait, so do you want me to go to twin or do you want to move it? I'll jump it ahead wait doge Things like that. Oh, well, this was over seven years ago. I'm sure they've grown up I'm sure they've grown up You haven't you haven't shown how it. Oh, yeah, by the way immature By the way, we skipped this guy's name He says he says that he's like uh, he thinks he was a child at the time But he doesn't censor his name, but we're getting to the juicy part And I was going to say rags. We skipped seven ish minutes So he may have made a very compelling argument for why he is a child Take it in good faith If I'm skipping what is this? So guys, I hate to reveal this to you But we're actually we're actually watching a video that is two hours and 17 18 minutes long And we've made it as far as 27 so far and that's We gotta skip the reddit post because it's not relevant to our sections at all I do think I need to say here, though That if anyone who watches this video goes on to harass any of the people that I am going to talk about In my name or otherwise, I will ban you Don't ask how I will know don't ask whoever that is. Don't ask how I'll know Each one you treat it is I am making this video in large parts. Maybe you'll learn about it in seven years This is this to me is a no-brainer. Of course.  It's not a public figure No, you are absolutely correct. Why is this not the beginning of the video if you wanted this said? That's what commentary channels do they always upfront say don't go harass the people that are featured in this video Most people say that yeah, that's a that's a standing rule one for eFap You know just the the thing about it is to me though. This doesn't make sense coming from him because of how he defined harassment Yeah, his examples of harassment are Fucking pathetic Like if I was very convinced by this video and sent a tweet to patrician tv's twitter saying I think you should should have your youtube channel. I think you should retire from youtube I think that you make videos that are inaccurate and they cause damage and then rags does the same Fringy does the same and a hundred plus people from chat do the same. Oops. We've done harassment now And we all did it in the name of never knows that's a good opinion Well, you know some people might think it's a good opinion But yes to emphasize 27 minutes To clarify don't harass oh and as per usual we we often mention this but the anybody who wants to Like actually harass a person.  You got me. Yeah, it's like am i in the visual imagery Or i'm in vade poland was like just saying that isn't gonna stop him if that's how committed they are If he's that passionate It's like for harassment and dog piling Do not be part of the problem You but you're that but you're you're the thing but you're the thing you're doing the thing you're showing the But Anyway, are there additional highlights we need to check out on the reddit post pot or Um, there's a part where he says people in the comments suddenly disagree with the reddit post It's not really relevant. We can go ahead to the cretosis, which is 42 37 Oh boy, finally, we'll discover how you lied to us today You know Against humanity. Yeah, this is where we get to the port of evap because we've learned the catholic church All right, we've learned about them. So Breitosis you are on trial today.  I never want to use. Why is that a bad word? Bigly Hugely just sounds like one of those words that you say. Do you have a problem with largely? badly Largely is It's a little better, but even then I feel like it's just an agit. It's just it's just an adjective providing It can't hurt me, but I still feel like Hugely is one of those words that you just don't say get away with chungously Oh, no chungously is is is phenomenal That's that is the word of that is a true patrician to your word. All right That is not a that's not something just making that is not cringe. That is based in the plebeian ghettos of Um Copenhagen that isn't a word that you're gonna hear spoken hostile We need metal to uh translate all these words, you know copenhagen. That's not even real. Let's be honest It has cope in the name. There's a lot of coping. Yeah going on here Copenhagen. Yeah, it sounds like having cope in another language. Yeah, copenhagen You're having cope. Luckily. Have a get chungously Luckily, however, the source material was still out there So it should have only been a matter of time until someone came along I do I do love this narrative that he's posted of like you see Everyone was lying.  Yeah, this is seven years ago His his elder scroll stuff was early 2021. So at any point he could have done this four ml Okay, so the the first big comment on this That goes back six years The big comment in short if you want to become a great writer listen to all of his advice and do the exact opposite Yeah, okay, wait. Whoa. Whoa rags. He didn't watch it that guy. Okay Let's let's go with a different six years ago. That was six. That was six years ago, right? That's post-run it post. Yeah, so this is seven years ago. Love how he explains the dialogue They saw a problem with players wanting to skip it But didn't see the problem that it completely limits any choice and consequence beyond saying something sarcastic That guy was biased. Have you got any others harassment? That's true I mean, I I get there's someone from like five six years ago I got a really scroll to get a seven years ago comment four years Five years seven years ago. Take to heart everyone if he can do it. Anyone can do it Well that guy's lying I I understand the fact-checking as I guess the theme of this video Yeah, I'm doing a bit of fact-checking here and it sounds like Sounds like uh, no one knows best is just lying to make it very clear for anyone listening right now That the suggestion is that if you listen to the original speech the original presentation Then you'll get a very strong and understandable perspective on what is is point of view on writing is and that everyone else has twisted it However, there's some comments here from seven years ago plus that seemed pretty critical Why why the fuck did we spend so long listening to random comments on reddit when he could have shown the youtube comments? Well, because no no no no, we're not gonna do no No, we're not gonna do that that would be that would be Catastrophic to the point we are not gonna do that Or at least address some of the most common mistakes And someone did come along A self-styled Bethesda expert Mr. Cretosis, are you a self-styled Bethesda expert?  Who is this who's you made him up get him out of here Whose most popular videos focus on explaining why other youtubers are wrong about their opinion on fallout.   I'm sure you're not shocked to hear that But yes, I'm told that I tell other people what their opinions should be or that their opinions are wrong or whatever Well, the problem is that I get this all the time too. So just sit you're like Yeah, this is the yep. We we are very familiar with this. Did you know the call? Ifap don't let people have opinions What happened to the good faith presentation?  I'd already be like, hmm. Is that is that true? Even what he's saying I think the the thing he's saying isn't bad at all He's just saying it like it's understood that it's bad to like respond to other people on the internet Yeah, it was the same self-evidently a terrible thing to do Dripping with the same like bullshit as saying something like uh, this is a channel that basically only criticizes film You'd be like, what are you saying? Why are you saying like that? Why why why you put it that way? And then if you had him like in the call, he'd be like, no No Well, and it leaves out the context of what the original argument was about anyways because wasn't many a true nerd responding to h-bomber guy Um with his follow-up three video Kinda he bring it a lot of people will frame it as a response to h-bomber guy But it seems to be a general response to negative criticism of fallout three. He only brings up h-bomber guy like Two or three times. I think Yeah, I mean it's still like why isn't many a true nerd in that case because many a true nerd thumbnail says the fallout three is Better than you think it seems like he's telling us Our opinion is wrong. What you need to understand first and foremost is whenever it's in the positive You're automatically in the plus side like you're a thumbs up good for you. It's okay to yeah We learned this with cinema sends versus cinema wins cinema wins is automatically a better man Yeah, it's okay That's cool if it's a negative opinion your opinion. I did that's how yeah That's something I learned from these videos You can say anything you want as long as you're positive about it If you say anything negative that's automatically bad because you know The most fascinating example of this to this day is the video from h-bomber guy Let me check it as well. I've said this again and again.  We're an agreeable title.   Well, and like most people just agree with the title and like that he's being positive when in reality He's saying Dark Souls one shouldn't be played with shields.  Then saying Fallout 3 isn't better than you think you go Okay, well, I don't appreciate that.  You look at you was it as good as I remember I am very mean Out on Emil Paglia Rullo himself Well, great. Maybe an expert is just what this situation Okay, well, I mean we already did the whole like he's not an expert thing So why is he framing it like this? Because he's gonna Present him as such and then he's gonna point out how bad Cretosis his arguments are this is gonna be great. I'm looking forward to it. Hmm. Okay But I thought we I thought we worked down with negativity No, it's different if you're an asshole if you're tearing down someone who is tearing down something that means you're doing something positive Okay, so it's like a double negative. Yes. Yeah, this is like it's like shooting a murderer. Yeah. Yeah, okay You've added to the world by removing a remover You see Cretosis has a long running stream slash podcast where he focuses on criticizing I love the slow scroll focuses on being a mean person Hey fun, man. He's doing good. He's doing more to advertise stag than Cretosis has in this stream That's true I want to do a nice scroll effect for your video instead of like using your your scroll wheel to scroll and reset scroll reset You can actually hold down the middle mouse And then you could drag the mouse down and depending on how far you drag the mouse You'll smoothly scroll at different speeds when you're in a browser Screen capture the entire page as an image and put that into your videos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah There's solutions to this problem. Are you just scroll?    What is that? Yeah, commonly most of youtube videos are not my own Are not mine. Yeah Which is great because that surely means he won't have any problem with me doing the same to one of his videos Oh chill. I always love that that statement as though It's like they want to skip to the part where the look at these guys who criticize. They're not very good at taking it It's like you don't even you haven't proven that yet. We haven't even criticized us yet I'm desperate for you to say anything Honestly, yeah, I'm starting to get starting to get rid of I mean this isn't personal. Oh my god.  Yes. We're ready to agree.   I'm just on a quest for truth and I could do with some expert opinion to help Yes, Cretosis has produced nine hours of youtube content about Emil Paglia Rillo. Okay eight That's fine. So all right It's worth part pointing out right now that this is a little bit disingenuous because uh, the video there on the side breaking down ML Paglia Rillo's writing speech Is the entire segment from uh part two of my follow up for analysis I just cut that entire thing out as a clip and uh posted it I'm gonna be honest with you buddy. If you had made if you had made a hundred hours on that speech Don't you say that at the start of that video I I do say that at the start of the video. Yes. Yeah, so it's not even he didn't even need to fact check it He Cretosis said it for him But why are we pretending like this is a this is this is almost like criticism like look how much he's focused on this It's like that's fine The right and well, he's gonna get to the part where I talked about him for 20 hours Whoa We talked about jeffy nickles for 12 hours We talked about him for 10 000 years rags, okay Hours of which I'm focused on this Can we get an objective like what's the number how many hours is appropriate to talk about something? Inverse to the person's age or something Yeah, yeah, yeah I don't know. I think it's kind of insulting to imply that you that amil isn't good enough to talk about for this amount of time Well, what if it was nine hours of veneration? If you told me that's okay. That's positive like As part of like a job I need to do that. I need to make a 50 hour video on the statement Uh, we don't play out. We we play our games. We don't make them. I could do it It's just the it might get thin at certain points But you know like there's so many interpretations and so many things you can explore with that that it's just It's just frustrating that everyone Have you ever seen it where the people are like, you know, if cretosis was in university He'd be the guy who's failed for for putting in too many words Well, I mean good thing that this is youtube and not university, huh? Where you couldn't make it as long or as short as you want. Well, I'll have you know the university is Did they put those rules in to make the videos better? No, they put those rules in to make it possible to grade papers exactly.  Whoa, x that's crazy. How do you know what makes you say they're x like?  I'm not gonna watch it. They say it without any sense of like self-interspection. They're like, hello What are you? How can you say that?  Batman and you're like, how What am I gonna do watch all of his stuff?  What was insane too was that like whenever we do coverage of let's call it like a sans synthetic man or whoever else I'm like, all right.  It was like You watched it. Wow. That's just crazy. I wouldn't do the um You know, one of the best achievements we've ever had on eFap is that there's a subreddit called cringe Right, just straight up cringe and someone posted our Jenny Nicholson coverage there And said, uh, three guys just misogynistically rip into a girl for having an opinion and they got removed for irrelevancy The cringe subreddit determined that we were not cringe We're not cringe enough Of you well, that's what I've learned that was the one reddit is really fucking important That was the one time other than that.  Yeah This one 40 minute speech which he talks about on stream with his friends In his full out for analysis for one hour and now in a standalone video Nothing wrong with that It is uh, follow up for analysis for one hour and now in a standalone video. It's the same thing Again, though, nothing wrong with it. Even if that were the case Well, and also there's been development with it. It's just the fact that he's trying to portray it It's two different things. I find to be disingenuous. Yeah, I get you This sounds like a lot. So let's just focus on the standalone video. All right titled breaking down Breaking down his writing speech leave it on screen for a couple more seconds just to pat it I'm noticing these these pauses between the censuses are starting to drive me a little bit mad Well, it's instant to ends and then we hang on a pause for like a couple of seconds before moving on It adds up it does, you know, when you put them all together somebody artistically pauses No, I it's you know what it's a there's a time and a place and this one isn't that time Well, listen Thank you dare I say This ladies and gentlemen is where the video should have began this moment right here Probably at the 44 minutes at the 44 minutes.  What did Cretosis think of this? Oh my god, you're right.  Well, he's got to have room for the title. Yeah, but you could put that in the video You don't have to make that it's not even relevant. Why do we need to always ever present knowledge of the title? I don't know Mlp the person who sounds totally different and oh see he's not above putting words on the screen Because he's put in the timestamp The lead writer for Bethesda and has been since Fallout 3 Coincidentally around the time where the writing started taking a nosedive A professional writer cannot even match to keep himself on track in a speech he himself wrote and presented His entire presentation is a meandering rambling disjointed mess Not so different from the stories he writes He doesn't say anything of value for anyone interested in writing I'm inclined to agree with the sections that were presented to me by this video trying to argue that there were valuable things in that speech This is a pretty good advertisement Yeah, well so far.  You can make a full promotion of the channel But I'm just saying I like the British man went away And he never seems to make it around to any kind of point he's trying to make Well, that sounds like an incredibly uncharitable take No That's what we're saying seven years ago when they first came out you the comments are there The insane part of this you can go there. You can see them. The comments are free.  Oh, what?  That's guilty in the other direction I can reveal the secrets of this I was aware of the reddit post. I did not look at it at all for my breakdown of the speech Now I'm picturing your brain probably heard the words reddit post and picturing A court and Kratos is on the stand and they're like mr. Kratos Did you or did you not use the reddit post as influence for your video on the subject? You go? No? See how he lies. Do you see? See how he lies so boldly in front of you This is the extent that he will argue that the reddit post is relevant to the kratos's section Yeah, don't think it gets guilty Guilty guilty guilty guilty guilty But I guess he's welcome to his opinion Well, you're welcome to make a counter-argument It doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like he's welcome.  This is this is like this is seriously Genesis for eFap the fragile wounded animal in the forest telling you about gaming I found it really funny the way you said your name. It sounded like it was difficult for him to get it out the way that Kratosis like it was like he was speaking an unholy word or something Voldemort's name or something Yeah, he was struggling to get it out.  I hate it. It's the worst voice. Is there an ink glow in the room?   Stop talking like you're dying I've got to share with you. We should pull our video out of it Kratosis have you ever talked about never knows best? I don't believe so. I'm like 99% sure.  Uh, oh god.    I get a lot of comments about my Angry and aggressive tone in my videos, which fair enough. I do kind of go a bit hard But I kind of wonder if this like overly soft spoken way of speaking as poison people like against actual emotions Where if anyone talks as long as it's fragile the thing is is um, it was something I think I I think I read it in a tony robbins book It was something to do with like, you know, there are different kind of ways that people will connect with other people That there's visual and auditory and then I think it was kinesthetic or something But there was something in there that was interesting was the idea that there are people who were way more the tone of voice Will inform it dramatically more than what is actually said Which is kind of an interesting thing to think about that you could say some of the harshest shit ever But if you say it in a tone of voice that doesn't seem harsh Then you can get away with it.  That was your fragile voice.  I mean like wow chill out calm down.  He sounds like he's on the verge of tears Ever since I know it's kind of like um, it's like what you know Puss in boots right when he does the little uh, the sad eyes after trying to kill Shrek Or he does the sad eyes right before he fights all the gods. That's like what the strategy is Yeah, this because we've all noticed it. It was with the we'll rewind it as well the way he pronounces Cretosis is he says it as though it's a difficult thing for him to do Cretosis I a certain very post but I guess he's welcome to his opinion Let's see what specific parts of the speech Cretosis had a problem Why does he do it like that?  You know, I just I just don't know what to do with you I also want to point out something quickly before we continue He says what specific parts of the speech I have a problem with And the very next clip he's going to show is to do with the intro that has nothing to do with anything Yeah, he also wasted some time rambling about how his parents came to the city He's doing the speech and on a vacation and how this country he's visiting is a place where games are made I suppose he's trying to endear himself to the audience, but it's just not necessary This is the very first piece of real criticism Cretosis presents And I would like you to pay attention to how Which is true Well, it's very I'm allowed to feel that way So this is going to be difficult now because I need to separate how I feel about what you've said Without feeling at all what this video is trying to frame you as you know, I mean something like what do I think about what you just said? I just feel like I don't know. I don't think much of it Like you there's not much like it feels more like an interesting thing. Is it would you describe it as an offhand comment? Essentially, yeah to the point where your assessment of that portion of his speech If I hadn't heard any of the speech wouldn't change anything about my opinion of what's about to come Like say, you know, you say that and then you attack something he says after it I wouldn't be thinking about that first thing you said I would just be thinking about it as a way for you to say that part was that I'm now moving on to this part Well, listen, he just has a problem with how he's starting his video. Okay Never knows best knows how to start a video and Cretosis just doesn't I should learn from the facts I'm starting to think he never knows best What? It's framed Emil does praise the city where the conference is kopenhagen and says that he's always wanted to come here because his What is this?  I can't wait till you guys see where this is going Okay, but now I'm really excited. Let's see what else he says And when they returned he was the happiest he ever saw them He then talks about and praises some of the games made the happiest I ever saw my parents had nothing to do with me Because this is a Danish game. I want to emphasize they went on a vacation without him It was the happiest they'd ever been by his admission Wait, wait, they made what are you talking about somebody service? Was that like games he'd made in the past? Did he make is it was no, he's talking about games that are made mark. Oh a dead mark They're responsible for some ways Yeah, they're the blame On friends primarily focused on Danish video games Now I describe this as just you know, is I'm saying hello to the audience. Yes, really I didn't know that I just say by the way So the vibe we're getting here is the Cretosis makes off-hand assessment of portion.   Well, you can but you I'm also entitled to say that it's irrelevant The place where games are made I suppose he's trying to endear himself to the audience, but it's just not necessary So that's true. You even like qualified.   You said something else And all of this is just not necessary Yeah, well, thank god. We have resident Emil expert Cretosis here to decode what Emil You can wait wait wait.  I've never claimed to be an expert about anything. Do you see how he lies? Look at him lying yet again lying Never knows best Huge like advice thing and this goes for everyone in chat. This goes for everyone on the cast You are oh the the amount of power you have to make fun of someone after you prove them wrong You got to prove them wrong first Then you can make fun of them. You can't just make fun of them You have to tear them down before you can kick them while they're on the ground All right. Yeah, you have to get them on the ground If you try to kick them on the ground while they're like standing on the second story It's not gonna work. You just end up kicking the air and looking really bad Because I think he thinks that when he said he's talking about games from Denmark That's why it's relevant.  That's relevant. I think we all know the story of subway surfers. You don't even have to explain it Also, it's something that stood out to me. But why is he showing the channel again on screen? Well, because he's a resident expert. He wants to make sure people at the stad would find you Yeah, that was essentially my takeaway from it is Okay, I'm talking about how shit this person is by the way, here's your channel so you can go That is a bit weird for someone who said do not because like there's no benefit to showing this Unless you want to make sure people know who you want to work You're creating extra work for yourself by putting it on screen Maybe he just wants to emphasize that he's a smaller creator Yeah, look at how smaller this creator is guys He did show the channel at the start of the section on me and that makes sense because okay This is the person I'm talking about this is what their channel looks like that makes sense I'm fine with that What he's doing right here. He does a couple more times throughout the section, especially towards the end. It's like Yeah, and also surely by his own metric. Well, listen at least he's got the patreon link on screen Yeah, he can help you out Surely by his own metric the smaller a quote unquote channel is the less you should be placing it on the screen, right? Well, no because he just could he just put some guy's Reddit name on there and guess what happened to that guy. Uh, yeah, well, you know what some guy Said some bad things True Means and to decide what is and isn't necessary to talk about at a danish games conference Bro, that's what all of us individually decide. That's what you've decided It decided it was relevant. Yeah, exactly. What are you? Why are you saying it like that? Like how could cretosis possibly know what's what's relevant at a swedish a swedish game conference?  You're like I guess you're right You know, I'm not swedish juggle on swedish clowns more power to you I mean taking 30 seconds to acknowledge the contributions of danish game developers Unnecessary keep it on topic i.e. Bethesda and it feels like you just justified the argument You've just said like well it didn't take long Like oh, so you feel like there's merit then to the idea that this isn't relevant to talking about the writing in Bethesda It's okay to accept that it's a harsh Perspective to have but that you understand where it comes from Any danish game developer who has a problem with that? tough Get your own games conference. I mean get a What is this? Why why do you read so far into it and then invent shit? Stop thing to say That's a shitty logo. It's just it's just irrelevant. Like come on Games conference this one isn't I don't mind though. I don't mind. Oh, you think just because you make Wait And he is uh This guy's got some issues like what happened it was just like hey, he just kind of rambling about like He was just rambling at the beginning of his speech It really is blink and you miss it with this particular part Well, that's why this is the perfect podcast. That's probably unnecessary in Denmark How insane would it be for him to play some of the greatest games ever? Like what the Time in between world wars to be neutral in so fine Well own games conference. I mean get another games conference. This one isn't about you Oh Like inside and hit man, that's enough for someone to acknowledge that you exist. What are we talking about?  No, just just enjoy the ride There was an episode of south park where it established in the canon of the south park world that denmark is the canada of europe um They're really they're in a they're cold It's a cold country and people often forget about them and also they have the the the same kind of disconnected head Like flappy mouth thing that the canada is doing in the south park world And they have the mids they brought a bit to replace canada during when canada went on strike because they wanted some internet money We want more money. Yeah more money Oh God that episode's great. That's the one where they uh, they went to like get the youtube money and there was all of the early like early You know 2006 70 internet Celebrities remember chocolate rain guy getting oh, I fucking remember that episode Yeah, the tron guy and the star wars kid and uh, and yeah the panda Which by the way have gone from not only old to like really old to super old to the point where it's like Dude, how many people in chat would even know those ones probably don't even know Yeah, about like the the sneezing panda thing or um, or afro ninja or any of these ones the uh, what's it the beaver? The uh, oh, yeah, yeah the gopher. They are the intense gopher. Yeah Oh, that would be Maybe that's not a good idea to find out how many people don't know about it. Oh my gosh, feel old We don't want that Absolutely not the purpose of your entire country is to talk about Bethesda and don't stop Calm down. Is this supposed to be his in like his impression of you? Yeah, he's in fiddle.  I'm like, so what cretosis was said Was that under the guise of a speech about writing disciplines? He doesn't see the value in talking about how Denmark is responsible for other games No, it's an a or g.   What is this?   I just want everyone to appreciate that absolutely not The purpose of your entire country is to talk about Bethesda and don't you guys ever forget that? It's so forced It's very forced. Yeah. Sorry. His voice is always great there again. That was you getting It's okay. It was a meme. It was a meme That's a version being carried away Well, it's just it was a meme that was obviously meant to belive some sort of real criticism that you're meant to take Seriously, so just to be clear Obviously, there's a criticism there And then it'll be like, ah, sorry guys. I'm just meman. I'm just joking around or something This gives me the energy of someone who apologizes when they say the word damn Anyway Cretosis's video is too long for me to show all of it or both Weak weak cowardly Self it does do quite a good job at speaking for itself Still thank you. I mean, I hate to be but thank you It's how Cretosis frames what emul says as negatively as possible throughout the entire video and in Is that the performance art that he just did that? Yeah. Yeah, he's teaching him how it feels. Oh, I see. Okay No, he's gonna make him say that That's him. That's an interesting In a meme the meme of his used another meme So what's the point? Negative words mean well the Cretosis was a mean He's a big old mean man and you shouldn't have been You should speak with you should speak with a soft tone I like that. He tried he tried to speak with a harsh tone as an impression and then like his voice started cracking Oh, yeah, all of it all the estrogen just like convulsed inside of his thorax and his Whatever what's it called the the Larry I used I used to think that he was putting on an impression But that might just be how he talks. Oh, yeah, it might be We've encountered a few people out of the meme If this is the meme what happens if you disagree with the examples that I'm pointed out In terms of a mountain being made out of a molehill for instance I'm getting confused as to what I'm supposed to be agreeing with here Well, I guess if this is all a big performance about like us see making a mountain out of a molehill That's what I just did but like yeah, but what happens if but but the What just because you've made this example doesn't mean it's going to align with like whatever's going to be brought up next Which I'm guessing it won't be but I you know That's what I wish you would just skip to like the most egregious examples of misrepresentation But you know, we're only 50 minutes in so maybe I should be waiting patiently for that. Yeah How can you say that you're a long man? What that's not what long people are this long people just make things Long not make things poorly paced. What are you talking about? No, but if you're long You're not allowed to think that anything is too long. I didn't say it was too long I said it took too long to say a thing You're not allowed to say that it took too long to say a thing if you're a long man But I don't take long to say stuff. I usually say things as soon as the time You had an hour long intro to tfa part one But that was about how everyone in the world is wrong except me No, it wasn't it was an hour long intro to tlj part one because you couldn't just get on with it Which would have been fine if I'd released all of it at once because it would be like lord of the rings It's long, but it's fairly long For example, instead of saying things like emil says Cretosis will say emil rambles to make the very act of speaking in a speech Somehow seem like a sin, but what if he is? Somehow seem like a sin I want to point this out too Cretosis frames everything as negatively as possible He says rambling instead of says to make everything or to make the act of speaking seem like a sin He's doing to me what he just claimed I'm doing to emil Well, that's the point you're being taught a lesson. He's wearing the the magical cloak of six layers of irony Uno reverse card plus seven defense. So I remember your glue.   He rambles more So I hate when people do this when they do the compilation thing when I'm sitting here like there's nothing wrong with this though So this is kind of reminding me a bit of um the you remember the the xqc thing he did with uh, ethan where like Wasn't responding when you're omitting so much context I have no idea what I'm supposed to make of any of this What happens because he's saying like oh you say rambles a lot It's like yeah, but I mean are these flanks, you know before or after with clips of the nature of it Like showing what he said You know you can describe it as a ramble and that's one thing But I mean if you show examples of the things that he said, how do I know if they're there or not? He's just chopped out all the parts where it's saying you're rambling. This is not very useful to me Yeah, what if he's accurately describing a mill's rambling? Well, but it really happens now What this wasn't rambling and we played the clips What this ultimately is as he said Cretosis claims he's rambling when he's just speaking. Here's my evidence. He's rambling. He's rambling. He's rambling He's rambling.  I don't see anything. I don't understand what you're like. I have no information Admittedly, I probably do use Uh rambling too much there, but most times I'm just using it a shorthand for either Whatever ml is saying is useless to this the discussion. So I'm skipping it, but here's a really big summary of what it is Yeah, sounds like he's a bit of a rambler Or I use it to mean he takes too long to get to his point which he often does as you can see from my clips You've seen already. I'll have you know that I completely unrelated to this I watched a video summarizing a mill's points and it cut out the vast majority of the video Uh, I can't imagine if there's any reason for that. Yeah Well, he didn't cherry pick his examples in that one. Okay. No creation of follow-up form and it takes a lot of inane rambling to get to this point There's more rambling. He pauses a lot and there's also a lot of rambling and repetition here that I'm cutting out Rambles about how every game developed rambles again.  Yeah He rambles pretty good The ramble pivot is about a 10 right now That one's interesting. I mean it rambles There he rambles. It's like oh, so a clip got played before this, right? Guy rims intro he fucking rambles a lot He rambles about how much of this yet even more rambling the me and yet even more rambling So that's yeah, that's uh, another one that would have been preceded by a clip Which again if you show the clip and then call it rambling Surely that's Better to being not a problem at all compared to not showing it and just and just paraphrasing everything You would have to give me examples of what amil says and then And then show how this isn't rambling it's actually extremely relevant interesting thing he is going to bring up an example and uh, I can explain the context on that Context he leaves out So what was just that Mola's Mola's done this played 15 examples when three to four would do my issue isn't at all that He's playing several examples It's the I don't mind being proven if he said to me like I can prove to you that cretosis often describes him as rambling I'd be like I don't care Why would that change anything what happens to just control effing the transcript to see the number of times he said it That would be sufficient. Why would you do that? To save time well, it doesn't have the same punch. Yeah, it's just playing it a lot He said This is a video that the first half basically didn't have to learn it so much If he had said cretosis often refers to him as a giant inflatable Tube man, I'd be like what and then they show 15 examples of that. I'd be like, why did you do that? That would be more entertaining to see on stage than ml yes Jointed mess. I would like to point out that cretosis summary of ml speech is longer than ml speech And if you're sorry, of course Because he's responding to it. Well, it's not a summary. He's looking it down Yeah, it's not a summary.   I would like to point out that I love that He ends on disjointed mess and then has a disjointed cut Yeah, but that was an artistic choice Yeah, that was integral Speech is longer than ml speech and if your summary is longer than the original I don't think you can really criticize others for rambling I mean That might be a point Yeah, but it's not a summer.   Is that is that what is that why his part on the speech was so short Because he has the self-imposed rule If it is longer, it is as it is as or more unnecessarily long It is as or more like unnecessarily filled with fluff words and Um restatements that are worthless. I just might have funny Imagine a non sequitur a significant level of like a powerful Political position person made a speech that was five minutes long declaring war and your summary of what just happened in that speech was 10 minutes like free rambly bro I just I have some things to say that's all well If you were summarizing and including the context, but at that point it might break out of being a summary and start to be an explainer Well, yeah that point. Well, let me just come back to the fact that Even from the clips you've shown cretosis is clearly an analyzing it not just summarizing it. Yeah I also just think it's hilarious. He calls it a summary while showing it on screen where it's titled both breaking down in the title and a thumbnail breaking down Which implies it's different from like Come on never knows better. Yeah, him.  That's just a lie Uh Yeah, this this one's complicated in terms of like is this incompetence like, um Never knows best should knows what english are Hard to say that it's incompetence Still a lot of this video is about Cretosis his opinions on the elder scrolls and fallout. Okay, and those parts are fine They are just his opinion on those games and that is something he is perfectly entitled to Thank you for permission. Thank you Can be broadly categorized into three groups Yeah, the first is petty personal attacks against emil Anyways back to the stupid speech Did you did you think maybe you were being too cruel when you said that do you regret putting that in your video I didn't realize I probably put a minor amount of work into this speech I just I wasn't Cruel enough the meanness will continue until morale improves.   I don't know why he wouldn't pick something that's more like scathing than oh, yeah The speech is dumb You'll notice when watching this that he didn't actually say anything a substance Is that a personal attack?    You got me.  So you probably should have opened with this This is the Finally we're here first Because it's easy to forget that he's listing out three things right To try to make emil sound stupid or to just make the speech sound Nonsensical he rambles more about the creation of Fallout 4 in boston lists some places he knew And even says he put his bedroom for when he was a kid into the game Not sure what this has to do with story writing But okay, this by the way relates to story writing because he's talking about drawing from personal experience in his writing This time we've grown up that's not a story. That's not. Yeah, that's a story.  I was going to say it's like a personal Easter egg, which is the worst kind of Easter egg. Yeah And the part about his bedroom is just a lie because yeah to be to clarify because I'm just going from what he has Summarize your video as Kratos is you're saying I don't know what him including his bedroom in a game has to do with writing advice Largely that and also the whole section about places in boston He knows I'm highlighting that because I'm going to bring it up after this next clip And then moving on to well, he said write what you know So if you lived in a place put that place into the game that counts as writing It's like this is a bit of a leap. I think this is a bit silly My hearted joke Uh, Kratos is if you're ever unsure how to identify jokes a good way is to just listen to whether the audience loves Look at all the personal attacks that he makes and then he does it But he does it in kind of like a little soft atone And then it just slides Or remember he's doing it. He's doing it to defend something too. So he's So it's okay on a negative which is a positive. Yeah, you can use the same strategies As long as you're using them against the bad guy How is emil talking about Him putting his room in the game. How is that a joke? That's not a joke. That's just that's a description of a They how is something that the audience laughed at therefore a joke therefore something shouldn't take seriously Oh I'm getting from that. I also hope that he doesn't misidentify a joke later in this video And also how is kratos is supposed to identify a joke if he's alone then? Well, that's funny, but also there's not an audience put a laugh track and But audiences can laugh for things a lot more than just jokes like things that can be funny when they're not jokes You know, I mean like like a reality that's nervous laughter. Yeah, there's that too his context And that is where I grew up humble place. That's a street. I grew up and of course I had to put My bedroom in the game All right, that's your bedroom. Yeah, that wasn't a joke. That's not a joke That was a joke. This is one of the things I want to highlight. So he's criticizing me for cutting context I said he was rambling about how he lived in boston any new places There's significantly more to that And nobody leaves out and he'll talks about fenway park. He talks about Uh, the swan boat some other location. I don't remember it doesn't matter point is He rambles and I cut it for time It's interesting because You paraphrase and then he's like that's an inaccurate paraphrase Let me show why with my paraphrasing of what he said rather than just showing the clip And letting you judge for yourself. Whether you think that he was rambling or not What I do find that kind of interesting from the clip is that why the audience are laughing is that he says This is my bedroom and it presents just a mattress in a room. It's like Yeah, that's quite a bedroom That is like, oh, so he was joking. It's like just because people are laughing doesn't mean it's a joke It could mean that it's actually kind of funny because it's sad just a little bit, you know, that would be your bedroom Oh, and I guess the more relevant part would be well, it's not it's it's There there is something that he's trying to make as a point in its totality, right? The whole right what you know, see and I put this in there and I knew that So it's not like it's irrelevant. It's not like it's it's completely Pointless in the grand scheme of what I would argue that's a malformed version of right what you know That's just that's as we said a personal Easter egg. That's all that is Yeah, but his whole thing His whole thing about living in Boston doesn't actually really relate to anything there because again He lists locations. He's familiar with but anyone scouting the location to put in a game Would naturally visit landmarks in like local places people know Yeah developers from new vegas did this and that's why Good springs looks like the real life good springs We are like location scouts for video games are pretty common at this point like basically every open world game or Game set in a real world location and even not a real world location Like we'll have location scouting and taking photos for reference Yeah, so his experience living in Boston doesn't really Like knowing those landmarks doesn't really contribute to anything or just places that people are going to be aware of I mean let alone you're writing it for a post apocalyptic story that's set like 200 years in the future And an alternate history world anyway, right isn't fall out like alternate history going into the future. Yeah More examples like this He has said great games are played not made like a dozen times in this section Some of which are in sentences that trail off and don't get completed So you said it was a dozen when it says there that it's four.  I I didn't count the number of times. He said great games are uh Played not made but it did seem like a bunch. How dare you and I'm not even sure if this is an accurate count because I think there might be One or two times in there where emil says great games played not made missing the r so it's not going to come up in the uh transcript Well, it was something he was saying here before a pause that he uh often just trailed off that the sentences would end Before they were completed. He would have understood it was a joke He stole that in the clips that he shot earlier in this video. He did just trail off and stop talking He would have understood it was a joke if you included a laugh track I'll do that next time. Yeah, I'll just put a laugh track over the entire video Anyone is unsure of if anything's a joke. I can just write it off as a joke and you know nailed it Yeah, this is something else making sure we remember that you are truly interacting with them. Dang This is the experience we all the player has a controller on their hand and and they can alter the narrative whenever they want No, they can't they literally cannot alter the narrative any time they want.  Whoa Yeah, that's literally true. You can't just alter the narrative of a video game This was in the section of misrepresenting him. Yeah, it sounds like it was a personal attack That's what I'm saying. He fucks the stuff up. I don't know if you know but calling someone a clown is a slayer, okay? Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah This is emil talking about the interactive nature of games as a medium Hence make sure to remember players can always alter the narrative whenever they want Crete okay So yeah, yeah, just to recap for everybody emil says you can alter the narrative cretosis says that's retarded No, you can't and then in defense of him never knows best says yes, you can Yeah, he just resets what he said. That's not a response So when I covered this I took this as talking about Fallout 4 because this is a speech about Fallout 4 Fallout 4 is a game where you can't alter the narrative with the push of a button You could join four factions and That's pretty much the extent of the choice you have in this game. It is Pathetic, especially yes, yes Well, the yeah, it's like, how do I alter the narrative of Resident Evil 4? Yeah, that's actually the narrative of all also most games The answer to this is it depends on what is meant by alter the narrative if he was to argue You could just turn the game off that alters the narrative. I'd be like, oh my god You can spend 50 hours making shacks that's all Right and in my response to this video I Included the example of if he's talking about all games and if I jump off a cliff and die in halo That's not altering a narrative. I get sent back to the checkpoint and continue the story Yeah, the game aggressively make sure that you complete the narrative It was an emergency story time It was an emergency storytelling Seriously, that's just some people like well, obviously he's referring to like significant choices or whatever and to be like I mean The the impression I got from him was that the fact that it's a game means people can alter the narrative at any point in conjunction with the whole Building things thing Meaning that the second they step off from the guided tour of what the story is they are altering the narrative Which as far as I'm concerned is not something most people agree with Like if you do a side quest That's not relevant to the main plot doesn't mean you're altering the narrative It's as generous as saying well, you role you play the role of this character. So it's a role-playing game You can choose which weapon you shoot so it's a game about choice You are the role of dropping blocks in a big thing. So Tetris is an rpg. You're like, no Poses instead presents this as if emil is making an absolute claim These kinds of examples are tiresome and wasn't honest We'll show us the context that was hidden Yeah, what you showed us was not a good thing for you to do Like I said, what I have to go on from what you showed me is the building and a shack means that they've fucked up the story Which matches the altering the narrative thing, but I don't agree that that alters the narrative So tell me what I'm missing mr. Video maker But it can be hard to identify if these result from a failure of cretosis is reading comprehension Leading to him genuinely misunderstanding Listen, uh personal attack.     He's It's issues with listening if you was right. We didn't we already established. He's got issues with reading He said it was a summary when it was a breakdown explicitly and that is That is actually reading as we considered. What if what if you have dyslexia, you know What if he's just like I didn't The idea that you might just be a piece of it. What if what if what if what if you had to drop out of school to get a job or something Yeah, that's right.   It's like wasn't that at one point a nice way of putting it?   Let me be an achiever.  It's Give cretosis some credit here, you know I have experience dealing with evil retards. Oh I think we all do now regardless the final type of example is similar Except it involves misrepresenting. I'm just talking about he didn't even he didn't even prove that you would were an evil retard He just he moved on He just is he just deal with it All right, you know I get okay points or writing rules so that cretosis can make an argument against them to discredit them Here is cretosis on keep it simple stupid. Okay.  I agree with that. No don't agree with that I don't think any of all our game No Including in fallout potentially. No, yeah, I don't see the I don't see what fallout. Uh, how will that would change in fallout context? complexity is complicated in terms of like rating say for example, you put a um Lord the rings against a matrix and you're like Which one's more complicated? Say they were both as good as you think they're both excellent It's like so which is more complicated is the answer to which one's better. I'd be like, whoa I don't even know that that would give you an any kind of answer. It's Um, I can understand why you would have come to a conclusion like that But I feel that it's um, it's more complicated than like, you know, like the simplistic fairy tales and stuff someone said like Asop's fables and stuff like that asops fables is better than multiverse of madness Multiverse of madness is considerably more complicated than the tortoise and the hare That's a better story or the grasshopper in the ants or uh, or yeah, any Any given like straightforward power ball or anything like that Simplicity and complexity don't necessarily tell us anything about whether I was I was going to bring up what this chatter brought up The dune movie. It's quite a complex story for it could be made much simpler than it is But it benefits from that complexity if it's done well, yeah a like statement I should have worded that differently because um Yeah, there are simple stories that I like. Um Dread is a great movie and the story is well 90 percent of it is shooting people and it's great So I think what's uh interesting about the idea of whether or not simplicity or complexity is better when it comes to storytelling It does depend on what the writer's objectives are Um, well, if someone's pointed out complexity does not necessarily equal depth, which would be the thing that's worth pointing out You can add more More characters or a more intricate plot, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to have a greater amount of depth and sometimes Like by focusing in on a very specific It's kind of funny because it was in this speech But the thing is is that there's like so much additional context you would have to explain If you could like focus in on one theme and explore that comprehensively That one theme you could say that that's simple But in a certain sense depending on how much you explore it it can turn into like Yeah, maybe this is the overarching theme But then it's got all of these like sub themes beneath it because of the nature of how you're exploring it And or has got like a you know as an example and or has got a central theme But in exploring it very comprehensively you can break it down into different individual points of discussion um So yeah, I wouldn't say in this case that simple or more complex tells us anything necessarily What I would say is that a if you take two stories that are both Done really well and one of them is extremely complicated and one of them is extremely simple The very complicated story done very well is far more impressive Yeah, to maintain a similar level of like coherency despite many many many complications We find that to be very much something that's worthy of reward One of the reasons why Laura rings is so praiseworthy is because that's a story that's got many many many complicated variables being juggled all at once And being executed masterfully compared to you know nailing like an example of character Yeah, uh, well, that's that would be an example of a simple story executed really well Because it's like a very straightforward plot It's 12 men in a room that they never leave until the very end of the film discussing whether or not they believe a man is guilty of a crime And you get a look into each of those characters lives, but they are essentially static with the exception of a Jura Sorry, I mix them up Three was the racist guy wasn't he wait dammit except for except for the last guy that they convinced some mix up their names But yeah, that would be an example of a simple story done. Well, oh Four no, I think four was a glasses guy Damn it. That's the point being that that's a simple story executed very well Kind of like the scores like uh, olympic high diving Uh, the scores that you can get for the dive you do I think the maximum That score that you can get is determined by the complexity of the dive so Perfectly executing a very easy dive Can potentially lose to a very complex dive that's done quite well so To emphasize we're in a part talking about changing emil's meaning So yes to demonstrate why what critosis said was changing his meaning. Yeah Well, yeah, it sounds like With what he said not that you were changing the meaning of what he said I just story writing after in the creation of fiction The more complex and detailed the world events and characters are The better remember emil said he uses this rule in relation to themes And that he thinks having a single strong central theme is good So boy, do I have some stuff to say here? He skipped about 13 minutes of video where I go very in depth on themes of skyrim and uh What he claims the theme of Fallout 4 is and just talking in general about themes and how He fucks up the discussion of themes at one point by saying The post apocalypse in 1950s americana is a theme And all that is skipped to get to this point of Hey stories are better if they're more complex That doesn't seem very uh fair of him Well, uh, it seems as though if we were to cover your assessment and response to him We would never entertain the idea that you've misrepresented it as opposed to just entertaining your point of view And your disagreement with him, you know, I mean like we wouldn't even entertain the idea Is like oh, how could you you've You've ruined his initial meaning because you have focused on a complex story while he's talking about themes being nice It's a foundational simple thing which like I said, I still disagree with as well Very strange statement This is the funny thing too is uh in his speech emil claims that the uh core theme of Fallout 4 is suspicion And that is kind of hilarious having gone through all Fallout 4 and that pretty much never coming up I was actually about to just say that if his If what emil's saying here is in regards of writing themes You should keep it simple stupid I would just sort of going through my memory trying to figure out what the fuck the themes were for skyrim And fallout 3 and fallout 4 i'm like what what were the themes of those games if If keep it simple stupid is the strategy for writing them That's the thing is they don't really they don't really have themes in a conventional literary sense What do they have it in instead? So uh kind of just like side plot lines just minor things It's a lot of just giving you things to do to justify gameplay. It's not so much focused on like high-end Literary concepts. I think emil just thinks it's that way Yeah, he uh, he first goes on about how skyrim is about dragons in the studio Everyone was talking about how it's about dragons, but is that not a real No, I know but the real theme of skyrim is the lone hero The hero's journey he even says it's uh One of their more biblical stories a dragonborn is very much a messiah figure.  Is this yeah Is that the no I because i'm like, okay, I don't think that's yeah, I don't think that's true Because there's no low point pretosis story.  Yeah Because I can't quite remember the specifics of what emil said You need to play it now when you're contrasting it with what critosis said in an ideal world You would have watched the full talk before this and you would go to the talk Has me watching this I also want to point out the thing he claims. I said it's not something I ever said Which is why he doesn't play the clip of me saying it And also it's not changing his meaning at best. It's just an extrapolation Genuinely from what I've gotten from this video. You have keep it simple stupid and this refers to just like a Don't over complicate the situation get the message forward get the idea forward like first and foremost This applies to mechanics like I can understand that and this applies to story too And what emil had to say was that fundamentally you need a foundational theme That's like straightforward and the guiding principle for like all things and then your response to that critosis was that You think that that's valid for like approaches with gaming But that when it comes to story that the more complicated the the better even though I don't necessarily agree with that I recognize now, especially with what you said like there's a huge Like more than however many minutes cut out of context of what you had to say about the whole thing in in totality But what doesn't come to my mind immediately is the sense that you have butchered what he had to say about it Is more so just like you clearly disagree with him Well consider the difference in discussion that we just had on what cretosis said versus what's in this video. Yeah It's like completely different thing Which is something that emil has never said and yet frequently appears in reddit posts and youtube comments My god. Cretosis then goes on to prove why this fake rule is bad. Good job. Cretosis Don't you complain about straw manning? Yeah, good job. Cretosis proving that it's bad But the point I'm making is that not every story should be something simple Especially when you're dealing with a large open world RPG With plenty of factions and decades of lore behind it He does the same thing with the second rule.  I'd be like, well, I mean, hey That's not great advice every time maybe that's a strategy He uh, he because I mean it was even acknowledged that a lot of the uh, caveats that he gave That he knew that that speech wasn't great Yeah By putting it at the beginning of the video and then paraphrasing his speech later on in the video in a more uh And in a way with greater clarity Forget what he actually said and how he said it before and you'll just take his rephrasing of it as uh I still think even if you're gonna lie lie, don't do like this weird thing Where you play me clips that put me against emil to begin with Yeah, we remember he put them so early that you've forgotten them. I haven't though Why don't you just go and see if people are shitty at it? Fortunately, you've got really good memory. He didn't account for the long memory Right what you know He concludes that right where you know Simply means dropping your personal experience and it takes a lot of inane rambling to get to this point This is also a point I very much disagree with You can write good stories without direct firsthand knowledge or personal experience You can be inspired by someone else's experience. They're told to you or that you hear of to write great things So cretosis though that could be a semantic thing of like when someone tells you their experiences Does that become then your knowledge? Is that still their experience or your first time? You know, I mean that's like a semantic thing to an extent But that still wouldn't I kind of agree with you is kind of again that with that anyway claims emil's rule is Sorry, I was just gonna say I love what he says here. This is probably my favorite part of the video All right Only right about things you have firsthand experience with and yet in reality All emil said there it is from your own experiences He did not say that's not what he said. So he's making a distinction between First-hand experiences and personal and first-hand experiences, but he he doesn't say personal experience. He just says experience Draw from your experience your experience implies that it's first hand if you say your experience This is just if you say childish like The personal first hand or general experience, you know, I mean like it's just like, okay What cretosis took from what he said was that you draw from whatever you've done in your life when he's saying that you can Draw from a hell of a lot more than that Like yeah, just as did you say the words first hand experience? I said first hand or personal experience Yeah, this is patty. Okay The synonym squad whose rule is only right about things you have first-hand experience with And yet in reality all emil said there it is on screen your own experiences Yeah, you're it's on screen as in you're belonging to you It's literally yeah, it's on screen draw upon your personal experiences. You had to turn the captions on and record this No He did not say they have to be first hand and in fact He said they have to be personal Like I said this barely like requires responses is silly Paul he immediately gives is writing the dark brotherhood an assassin's guild And as far as i'm aware emil pagliorello does not have any real life experience of being in an assassin But we saw yeah, but you play the clip where we laughed at him for saying what he said We were just begging for more this this this supports Cretosis's point of view when you say like I can write for the dark brotherhood because i'm catholic. That's hilarious That makes me hungry for more. Yeah Like obviously implied in there is like well, you're gonna be adding a hell of a lot more than what you experienced obviously Also the whole thing here about ml not being assassin like yeah, I acknowledge that ml says it in his own speech I'm like, okay, but what does your? upbringing in christianity have to do with anything here you Making the night mother and sith is evil versions of the virgin mary and god They don't tell us about like why these choices are made or like anything. There's no context It's just a statement that that's something he did things gild The final example is from the paper. Oh, wow. We're already at the final one damn All right, we heard earlier.  There are no deviations from it It is a super Story-focused game where there's no real Alleyways or extra pathways or anything like that, which doesn't make them necessarily bad But it's a much more constricted experience Having a dev tell you that as a gamer as a hardcore lifelong gamer is all five of us I presume are you just awkwardly sitting there like but that's not true Yeah, so This is just literally not true. Why do you think this? Did you come up with this on your own? Did Todd whisper this in your ear? What's going on? Writing a story for a game make sure to remember that players won't always do what you want them to As they play their own way He said the rip that they will rip the pages out of the book and make planes out of them Not just that but he says specifically and they'll never see your story Yeah That the side content is something that you don't want them to do Because that's the implication here meals being remember No, this is about changing emil's meaning.   They're putting buckets on people's heads. They're spinning around.  They're looting. You're not paying attention to the story They're putting obstacles in front of the NPCs That's the kind of shenanigans that I would expect he means by that Not they are engaging in separate unrelated side content that we specifically put in the game for them to do Like if they went to the achievements and it said 20 percent of players defeated the final boss meaning 80 percent of players just fucked around people like whoa No, not not necessarily We have no that could mean all kinds of different things statistically speaking And then we look at those 80 percent players Playthroughs and they're focusing entirely on let's say it's halo and they're doing forge. He's like so forge has destroyed their engagement with the game They're like no They are engaging with the game. They're just not playing story mode.  They just want to do their own thing It's it's Really getting in his way.  I never I never beat the main story.  I'm like, nope It was funny. I think metal was like an hour away from the end of god of war Uh ragnarok He was like I've got this side quest to do which I do was going to take him like seven hours I was like, please Please please please do the ad please He was like I'm gonna go for the side quest. I was like, no The moment of introspection should happen for a meal when you're realizing like wait a second How come people would rather build shacks for 30 hours than engage in my story? Hmm. Hmm. Well, obviously it's the gamers that are wrong Yeah Yet cretosis presents this as if emu is saying why doesn't he just call you lie tosus at this point, you know Yeah, I speak on the other eyes a story at all Or don't try when writing a story because players might not care about it No, well, that's not what he said that that he said He said that it seemed like that was kind of what was behind it Was this like that it was almost an excuse for shitty writing So he's saying he lied that's an interpretation lies.  He's attributing malice That doesn't need to be attributed Well, remember, it's either that it was malicious or that he can't read retard or evil Yeah, exactly retoces Emil quite clearly neither says nor implies This comes across as someone with no understanding of how people play games is just completely out of touch with gaming Maybe there will be some people who never touch the story But to write it off as no one ever seeing your great american novel because they'll rip the pages out Make paper airplanes and build shacks seems like the peak of ignorance I agree. It certainly it. Yeah, it seems like there's a there's a huge difference between leaving the book on the book shelf And picking up the book and then destroying it two completely different things He's got a zinger coming hours is leaving the book on the shelf Well, they've been pretty good so far.   Whoa Dude, it's 2024 another racial slam.  Have you apologized you stand accused?  I just opened like I did a search for Sherlock Uh, apparently what ml was saying there is sometimes they throw their paper airplanes. Sometimes they want to experience a story I don't know. I feel like I completely justified in that one Yeah, that's yeah, that's Yeah, I mean that's that's what you should have said it politely. You should have been nice about it. You should have said I think that was rather obvious I you should have said I agree ml you are very talented and I like you Oh, let's see that's passive aggression. That's even worse than calling him a clown Okay, ml. I agree with you and you're not spectacular in any way I don't know this this is all very cruel. I just avow everyone on this podcast Just all right. I just avow every I do too and on myself He then makes some nonsensical comparisons between games and movies killing us Is that a personal attack? That was the personal attack that you said it was nonsensical.  You call this understanding simplistic bro I need to fill you in on the context here because it is amazing ml is talking about how games can give a different experience than uh, like shows or movies or whatever because you know, they're interactable and It's just a completely different experience and you can experience, you know What's that movie with all the gangs?  I think I've ever seen this is nice Uh, we have I got just got commentary from private sessions He says that what he classifies as personal attacks reinforces his belief that he was bullied Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, if I don't know man harassment early on I feel like any bully worth this salt says a hell of a lot more than you know what you're simple minded Well, some of us didn't grow up on the mean streets Like you did all right some of us we You know what some of us got off easy You know what rags in a gentleman's society rags your comparisons. They're nonsense. Oh my good. Yo stop I thought we were friends I've got somebody more ready to go No, no that was already one too many Please stop. I can't handle this unhinged behavior Oh, good lord. You silly boy you cloud Oh, no, that's a slur.   I'm experiencing right now is immense Oh, I'm sorry.  Yeah.  That's definitely a call to action Yeah, you just asked everyone to bend his house down.  You just gave everyone a side I could you how do you sleep at night with that with the way that you threatened him? Only kurtosis seems to hate emil and this is just one of several videos Kratosis has made about me. Oh jeez one of several Like I know I know it's a meme, but Some people actually do need to touch grass I don't know rags. I feel like this is this is obsessive behavior. We've got one video two videos three videos Three on the internet. Oh my god All videos. Oh jeez. Let's stop. That's the full video. That constitutes several. Oh be still my heart And each of these videos are longer than the video in question. So think about that I don't want to think about that No, it's horrifying. I was gonna say if you can't sleep tonight. I'll know why I'm not going to go over the others in the same detail Zero Oh boy, I think it does need to be pointed out, but this isn't a one off So here are a few representative clips from Kratosis's latest video Okay titled Bethesda's emil pagliarillo is an incompetent writer Let's check it out. Wow today.  We just everything got drowned out by that cliff Pretty funny, but also perfectly representative Mel is a fantastic example of someone who has promoted far beyond his skill or talent as he's a hack writer Incapable of dealing with even the most basic and simple of plot lines This man can't write for shit and should not be in charge of writing jokes on bubblegum wrappers Can they arrest this Kratosis man? Can can we find an arrest him? We're not just getting him fired. You're you're messing up his future career as a bubblegum rapper This isn't legal in britain Yeah, it probably is ml pagliarillo is absolutely an incompetent writer And he should not be leading these projects.  Maybe we've encountered a lot of people in the world have felt that You know, I wouldn't say anything else. That's fine If a chef burns every meal he makes he should be fired If a surgeon loses every patient he has he should be fired. Well to be fair hospitals are big Yeah, like they might say the next one. You've never been a surgeon. How would you know? Oh How can you tell when someone's alive if you're not a stitch? Yeah, emil is like a surgeon with storytelling. There you go.  They should be fired I do wonder what about youtubers who make low quality videos that are full of misrepresentations Oh, I know I know the answer this never Oh, we cover them on e-fap. We cover them on e-fap.  Oh my god They should be destroyed. The funny thing is he qualifies for all the things he just referenced So whatever you decide sir, you'll be getting it to them They should also what about like this feels a little bit targeted, doesn't it? Yeah, that's why it's no the center of the screen all of these things like What if he bans you from his comment section you can't harass him. Oh, no Yes, the ultimate punishment.  I'm pretty sure never knows best would be like Well, that's what you get when you lie about other creators spoilers Oh, really?  We'll get there.   Yeah, it's tough to decide if they're more vague or more mild Do you think if he heard you call him a cunt he would have been like It is more on events we haven't got to yet Still this second video is likely kratosis's most successful video of all time Okay, receiving over 240k views in just yeah, why is it likely as opposed to we could check You could just sort my most popular, right? It hasn't fully panned out yet. Okay All right, I hedging his bets I I would argue in terms of success the timer released That video got more views in three or four weeks than any other video I've done but My eight hour response to many a true narrative has over Seven hundred and sixty thousand views. That's the most successful of all time But we're measuring success by view count. What about success by like getting the message across or something like that or like making a good video I don't know Well, what I can't believe is like wait, so we're done with the kratosis section now But we still got another how long is this like eight minutes before yeah before we get to professional We got to get to the moralizing part. Oh Yeah, meaning a lot of people have tuned in to listen to his expert analysis You've not okay. Listen, all right If we're gonna actually grant you that you debunked the first video, which you absolutely didn't you barely even covered it You cannot claim that you've debunked this video where you claim you've you played what three quotes that were mean at most That's all you've done And You'd be like this is a trap video, but I would be like no, this is just hyper incompetence Like he really thinks that he's actually done this like he's like I don't need to go over how just how just horrible Cree retard is he's he's And you can see that this is our influential creed Tardo's Last far I have not been convinced that this is a meme This seems like a bad video. He's incredibly bad at his job One thing I do want to mention quickly is I feel like he only took those three quotes because those were the only three He can mine. Oh that video.  He had to get this out. He didn't have time to fully debunk the second video He didn't even blur his shadows.  No, we don't need to talk about that That would be rude money on youtube. Let's hope this video is unmonetized as As many people should be pointing it as well as someone has there it is.  Thank you for watching. If you like this video, please subscribe. Yeah, oh the smoking gun Wait other youtubers get to make money for their opinions. Wow So that is kind that is kind of the part of the theory is um He's quite jealous of us and that's why he's putting us on blast because we are smaller than him But we're having more kind of success than he is right now Yeah, well, you're also mean so true. I have I have profiting on misery Misery makes them the most angry is being successful. There's nothing that can actually make them angrier than you just being successful So another rule for the list. He can never ask for subscribers again. Okay Well, if you want to be a good person, yeah Be honest, I wasn't a fan Now I'm mostly focusing on final damning different ameel critics and we've now covered the damning indictment that this guy doesn't Isn't a fan of you Right, I do find that funny. He keeps putting you front and center of this sequence like we Yes, now this is something that's probably worth I know that we jumped portions But how much of the video was actually dealt with like the nature of the writing in these games? Zero that that's not part of his argumentation process I but I mean surely it has to be because no because it would be obliterated. How could any of this be? Yeah, that's the thing like how could any of this be effective as a Like oh see look at how the story against this one was propagated But how would that be possible if the writing was like excellent and everybody felt that way? He showed 20 seconds of starfield and I wanted to throw up I like I guess that's what I'm finding fascinating is surely a big part of this conversation has to be Yeah, but what's the deal with the writing? Is it is it good or bad?  Yeah, yeah, it's comparing someone to Sherlock Holmes. It's a cultural appropriation of his culture. Mm-hmm I just is uh now because again, I'm not super familiar with the Bethesda Law, but uh, I remember that Fallout 4 had the uh, the the dialogue wheel where it would just have like, yes, no Like it had like the one word summary compared to the older games where they had full Sentences that you could see. Whoa. Yeah, it was who was who was responsible for that change He talks about that in the talk Oh, he talks about how that was a good idea. Yes Weird because the internet talks about how that was the shittiest fucking thing He does not explain why he does not explain why he simply says that it was necessary Okay, I mean not to make a big It had to be done Showing the whole sentence is really helpful to the player so that you avoid the situations like in mass effects Where you pick a choice and then shepard says something where you're like, whoa, wait a minute What's interesting is that one of the most popular fallout for mods is Them just having the whole lines of what you're gonna say It just like it changes it back to what it used to be You know that was one of joseph anderson's points was if you use that mod it becomes quite transparent Um, just some of the poor quality of the game because there's quests where all four of the options are actually the same dialogue line Oof People say yes sarcastic nor brackets. Yes Yeah, what it actually translates to is yes. Yes. Yes. Yes Yes, because you're just saying saying no is just i'm gonna do it later Yeah, i say doing it later is just like yeah, eventually you'll be back. It's a video game. You'll be back. It's a site quest One of the questions the main story you can say no and then your quest log will update anyways as if you said yes That's really what's the point of giving you the choice if it's an illusion. It's all illusory. You think fallouts about choice Well, I guess that's What i've heard about fallout 1 and 2 is that the amount of player agency is kind of staggering Well to the point where famously you can like convince the main bad guy to kill himself or whatever, right? If you have the right build I think that's where the meme comes from, isn't it? It's not just the right build It's having the right information and fallout 1 in new vegas. It is the right build. I'll be back Right where like where if you're paying attention to the story and you know the details then it's like, okay You've been rewarded so which Well, I guess the point being that all of this is going to be filtering into house Because that's the thing that I heard a lot about fallout 4 was that the dialogue was Not not just that it was like poorly written but that the nature of the choices that you have the gameplay portion of Uh, that system was really lacking and i'm just saying like Surely all of this has to be part of the discussion because how does the story arise that this guy sucks If his writing is great and everybody loves it that how does that story arise just because of a reddit post listen It's exaggerated where we're just taking him out of context Well, I guess what i'm saying is like how could it be if if the stories were amazing and then you watch the speech and you were like Hmm, how does that change to where you could get really really negative about it? If you really like the writing listen people liked fallout 4 until the speech happened and then they all read on reddit that Of course how people feel about these games is partially because it's not just going to be about story It's also going to be about we uh, we skipped over the part where he said that It's a Gundam doing a reddit reading the reddit post was one of the main ways that it propagated to But again, it doesn't propagate unless people feel that the writing is poor What if it's lies though? No, they just listen it's cult-like behavior. Okay. They're taking youtubers at face value And uh, it's youtubers who are knowingly lying and being evil retards I think I think that's all that's happening is that long away going on It's just making me wonder. Why aren't we talking about the nature of the writing in some way because it's indefensible If you included starfield in this discussion, he could not defend him Uh, we're so like so I guess almost uh as a summary. What what would you be pointing to in starfield? To highlight how badly he's writing the story I would point more so to like the dysfunctional design.  It's just flavor Uh in most cases and in will talks about the difficulty that having to come up with four Options in dialogues would have because sometimes your options are just yes or no because it's just a yes or no question Then why wouldn't it just be true? Why not just make it two choices instead of four? Yes, they couldn't have assist like, you know mass effect has that systems where sometimes it's two sometimes it's three Sometimes it's five sometimes there's more than six There's the branching one on the left But I think that their system was not robust enough to only have two options because you never see that That is insane that they couldn't have it be two when it needs to be two That has to be four that sounds absurd to me. That's unbelievable for a triple eye video game Someone who's more familiar with modding would have to comment if it is possible to make a dialogue with only two options But the fact that you never see it despite their being yes no questions It indicates to me that that is the case because he does complain about that they had to write four options Yeah, it is as far as I've seen and I've seen Obviously a lot of the game haven't gone through the entire base game every single dialogue has four options Yeah, that's my memory of the game too. I've played like I don't know 75 hours of it um, and I never saw any options that were less than four or more than four That is crazy to me I have just discovered by the way fringy, you know that the image comparison of um, erin moriarty before and after like yeah, she has uh Responded because it's been heavily shared to the point where it was covered. I guess by megan kelly And she said Quote i'm horrified by the reaction you've broken my heart and you can believe whatever you want But there's no excuse for these horrific allegations the verbal abuse i've had To delete shame on you megan kelly shame on you fox news Um, I think her statement is widely like leave me the fuck alone Which and she says like the comparison photo is not fair because one of them is before she was Of drinking age and the other is like recent It's just awkward, isn't it because like it's so stark as a comparison And I've seen that there's a post with this that's got like 20k likes But like most of the comments are just saying yeah, but you destroyed yourself Like that's that's what the sentiment seems to be Oh, so was so Okay So it looks it looks like you know, you got loads of people talking about the comparison photo But the megan kelly, I guess covered it and that's what pissed off Erin moriarty specifically Well, I guess because that means it's got some amount of mainstream coverage rather than just being talked about in the internet Which apparently was enough anyway, but she said she's like she's done with social media And that she's her heart's broken because she'd like to reach out to fans with it But this is a bit of a complicated one, isn't it because I mean the comparison why don't they ever just take breaks Well, it's okay Because I was gonna say was the comparison photo like fake or something Well, so she's saying the comparison photo is unfair because there's like a 10 year gap between them And that one of them was that the one that quote unquote is the good one Was where she was like looking at her best of the best of the best of the best, you know Like with youth makeup and whatever have you It's just not fair to compare them sort of thing, but For reference, I mean, especially I mean if it's years and years apart then Yeah I guess so, but well This is what I mean. This is why people are reacting like kind of awkwardly because it's just like but it's clearly not just age Well, is that the chick from the boys? Yeah, yeah Yeah, that's a funny Senate. Is that the chick from the boys? That's funny. Um, but I mean at the same time I feel bad for anybody who has to basically just be bombarded with everyone telling you you fucked up your face That is understandable, but at the same time it's also more or less and in People who are considering that surgery that so this is the big this is why it's complicated It's because everyone wants this to be quote-unquote Discourage slash shamed because we like we among many see it as like young women shouldn't be convinced to do this Is kind of where it comes from Be concerned of uh, well, if that's the result then yes, they should they shouldn't Yeah, that's what I mean. So it's sad to see that she's had a horrific emotional reaction to it, but at the same time, uh I think people are gonna wonder what the what they're supposed to do about this Because they Because I think it's just that you figure the response would be oh, it's fake. It's like no, it's it's like it's real and you're like, oh But still that made it make it a film miserable. That's not good No, no, but um, like I said people have used this as an example of like, please don't get plastic surgery when you're Incredibly beautiful in a natural way or whatever um, which is like super common in hollywood, I guess because you Some someone's telling them to do it. I