ision is limited to community benefits And um The other is I mean and and so What that would allow would be for instance a developer who After going through the construction process gets to the end of the the line And determines that public space Is no longer feasible financially they would rather buy their way out this provision would allow that so But only for community benefits now The poll there's a policy question or concern that um, I would raise about an expectation of a project Who which has received eligibility points to move forward on a supplemental density bonus project Promising to build let's say a public park or plaza and then at the end of the game It's not there. It's it's it's it's not, you know eliminated so another alternative would be to eliminate this buyout provision and and simply Leave the first sentence of l2 and I've prepared a draft amendment that we can look at Which would essentially establish That they need to confirm that all the eligibility all the Benefits have been provided at the end of the construction cycle and not provide a way A backdoor way to buy out The developer will always have the option to come back and seek approval for a revised project And could return to the planning commissioner or whoever the review authority is To to seek to reconfigure their project. Okay Great. Thanks Any other questions at this time for staff? I just have a quick one Were there any changes that were made specifically to Reduce the concessions that would be or you know, whatever terminology applies Reduce the concessions That are available when it comes to parking requirements. No, okay Okay, this is a public hearing I do have one card on this You don't need to have filled out a card to speak and With that Open the public hearing And I have one card as I said and that is from terry shore And terry, uh, I'm sure you have three minutes. Oh, thank you very much Good evening chair Edmondson planning commissioners planning staff and members of the public. Yes, my name is terry shore I am the regional director for the north bay for green belt alliance And we did submit a late letter in full support of the proposed revisions to the housing Density bonus ordinance in particular. We really appreciate the work that staff and the consultants did To address our concerns regarding sequa and narrowing the supplemental bonus Program to the two station areas the downtown station area plan and the North Santa Rosa station area plan Not only is it environmentally superior to the previous proposal, but it also reduces both fire risk and flood risk Which is reflected in the revised neg deck because we're putting people In the urban core close to services So we're actually very excited about the revised ordinance green belt alliance is happy to Support this all the way to the city council And to get other support from our allies To go forward so that we can build a more sustainable and thriving downtown in santa rosa And of course any of the additional Um Changes that you might need tonight to tweak it and make it a little better It sounds I think we're totally on board with that as well So thank you very much for your patience and for responding to our our multi page comments. So, uh, thank you Hey, thank you And sir if you would begin by stating the name for the record please Yeah Jose martinez 615 Howard street santa rosa I have a question about the These increases that, you know, they're proposing to add to the The ordinances They have that Goals of using infrastructure existing Infrastructures, you know relating to like transportation So on but are there any studies that really back up for example that people work in downtown or or or that In other words, I mean How do we know that really? The housing would be for people who Who um work there who work in downtown Yeah, I guess that's that's my question it These these these find these studies for from the planners. Do they do they have these figures or something these Surveys do we know Not to interrupt you sir. I'm happy to ask staff to address your question When when you've concluded your comments any other things you'd like to say Yeah, that's the question Okay Thank you very much. Is anybody else here and wishing to Speak during the public hearing and if you'll please state your name for the record, ma'am Hi, my name is daisy piste line. I'm with Sonoma county conservation action We're here Generally in support of this policy We think that putting development close to The core of our urban areas is wise and that it is where development should go And we're pleased to see that the city is taking steps to encourage more dense and walkable development Some minor provisions that we think are important Um, I was having a little trouble following it in the presentation by staff But it looked like there was a last-minute change made so that you will no longer require developers To actually prove that it's financially infeasible to distribute the affordable housing throughout a development I think that's problematic Developers often use this as a reason to create inequality in their developments When in fact there are many social studies that show that People who live in affordable housing incredibly benefit by being in a more distributed income level kind of Neighborhood and development. So I would urge you to reconsider striking that from the measure Um, and asking that developers actually show that there's An inability to do this because they may claim that without it being true without that Um, also some of the community benefits that are included in this provision It's incredibly important to guarantee that the community will in fact benefit from them The public open space provision as we have seen in some places, san francisco is a great example Where it's documented again and again the inclusion of what is quote public open space in private developments Usually doesn't end up actually being accessed by the public because it's made incredibly difficult to find and it's not well signed It's not obvious and the public doesn't know it exists So ensuring that the public open spaces are indeed public are easily accessible by the public are 24 hour accessible by the public And are obvious to the public is incredibly important um, also thinking about Some of the other public benefits for which these provisions are going to be given such as like the childcare ensuring that it indeed Helps support those low-income people who will be living in these developments and that there aren't any restrictions put in place That would make it more difficult or That they wouldn't know that they have the option to access that child care Perhaps a lower rate is important And then Beyond that I think we're glad to see that this is being focused where there is indeed environmental review already done I was part of the station area plan campaign a decade ago And glad to see the city is continuing to move this forward when development is indeed possible. So thank you Okay, thank you very much As any other member of the public here wishing to make any comments I'm not seeing anybody else approach the podium. I'm going to Close the public hearing and try to ask staff to walk us through some of those specific concerns from the public I suppose I'll just go on over sorter roughly A few comments just now about the community benefits and How open-ended they are generally so we have the Childcare community benefit And well, I suppose I'll just ask a broader question with the the child care provision Is there a built-in protection or an interpretation that would preclude any of those negative effects that were Just discussed about possible unfair treatment Based along income levels So monitoring of child care Enrollment to ensure the blend of Lower-income children children from lower-income households are in fact a part of the program is a An implementation or a monitoring concern a developer My We really don't have an in in our code a specific mechanism Which which we can use they are licensed state facilities I think we need to look into how We might work with those licensing agencies Whether they're county or state To get some reporting on under compliance with that provision There is The requirement that the percentage of children Be I believe equal to or greater than the percentage of affordable housing units as a share of the units in the entire complex Yes, so to fall out of compliance with that condition would run afoul of the In the future actually it's a good question. What would the consequence be down the road the density bonus would have been approved But it would be a co-enforcement violation of some sort to fall below that standard Yes, and and I don't know if there's been experience how this kind of violation might be or non-compliance is addressed in other jurisdictions It would be new here. I don't know Milan. Do you have any? Yes, so there's a couple of things worth mentioning with the child care facility density bonus This isn't associated with the community benefits for the supplemental program. This is the state law state program taken verbatim There haven't been modifications for the local ordinance As far as compliance, it would be a code issue and it would be pursued in that manner there is also somewhat unique Facet to the way that child care bonuses applied and that it's a square foot trade-off. So the equivalent square footage to the Child care facility is provided so it doesn't necessarily translate into a unit It translates potentially into a slightly larger space. It could be utilized throughout the proposed development But regardless of the fact it would be something that the applicants would benefit from and The city would have the authority to pursue it if it wasn't being followed through Okay, thank you. There was a concern brought up about the potential change to the Restrictions on not distributing the affordable units throughout a project And it was I think tied to these late changes that we see and Reflected in the revised ordinance and included in the attachment Let's see the late correspondence and ordinance changes Is there anything in the revised draft or in that language That affects the distribution obligations what what was proposed in the ordinance originally excuse me was the Discretion based on demonstrating financial need to to Have a relief from the dispersal requirement That That has continued to be proposed here And I might add it doesn't mean that the the affordable units are Pushed off the project site to another location. They might be in a separate building on that site We heard from developers last year when we were out of community workshops that financing for blended market rate affordable rate Buildings is is difficult and for many they've had to seek you know separation that where they build The affordable units in one structure finances separately from the market rate units so this was a Not a not a it's not a desire to push the affordable units off the project site but as a means for of financing separation on the on the same site Was there any change made to the type of evidence or degree of evidence that would need to be shown to justify that kind of carve out okay We had a question about downtown and whether the city planning staff Had done any studies or knew of any studies that Support the idea that downtown housing would support people who work downtown Not sure whether there's any specific study about that but To the extent that We can describe where the jobs are located in the city and the kinds of housing that people have been Asking about and the level of public support you might be hearing for Locating housing downtown. Maybe you could just briefly comment on that The city has prepared studies in the past and we're working on one now that does an economic analysis on demand for various types of housing And those studies are available for review. I'm not prepared to comment or I haven't prepared to comment on their findings But they do look at different types of housing development including Multi-family single-family detached attached And those studies would I think be informative for somebody interested in How downtown housing might have demand or not? Okay, thank you Commissioners I think I'd like to open it up to any questions that we would ask of staff before we begin any kind of colloquy about Our feelings about the resolution excuse me the ordinance Does any commissioner have any questions for staff? Let me check my notes then It seems like There are a handful of provisions that have to do with the period of time where the affordability covenant would burden the property It might be 55 in every instance, but it's in a few different places. The phrasing is not consistent For instance in the Student housing section that was added I don't believe it was directly congruent with state law. I think that state law provides that it Must be a minimum of 55 years whereas our resolution says it shall be 55 years or some sort of mandatory language like that I certainly wouldn't want to stop anybody from doing more or make them think that that's all they can do In the unlikely event that we have an incredibly generous um project applicant when it comes to deed restrictions I want to just ask We still have the provision in here and I understand there's political support for it where the city council will be reviewing the You know efficacy and impacts of this ordinance five years from the data implementation And one of the directives in the code, which is let's see. I think it's 20-31-070 That the result of that is that the commission or excuse me the council will decide whether to continue with the ordinance or not. Is there any other Zoning matter that you guys can or that staff can Point me to that has a similar way of dealing with an issue Yes, the limited light industrial district Which is actually in the downtown stationary specific plan area for the Maxwell court area Includes a very similar provision. In fact, we utilize some of the language from that for this And then more recently with the resilient city development measures. There was a provision in there for Three years for that particular ordinance I just I should have mentioned in the previous subject That I believe the specialized housing projects affordability term as well as is not presented as a minimum term but I just want to Ask again. Is there any restriction on making these affordability covenant terms perpetual? As a matter of law and then as a matter of Policy, what would be the the drawbacks of that and why was it decided that that shouldn't be the way to go? Good evening. I'm Megan vassinger housing and community services manager I'll defer to the city attorney on a matter of law in terms of the term of affordability But just for consistency the housing authority loans require a 55 year regulatory period That is consistent with the regulations provided by the california tax credit allocation committee for tax credit Applications as well as the california debt limit allocation committee, which is bonding for property So a lot of times projects will couple those housing authority loans tax credits and bonds So it is beneficial to have consistency in the affordability terms But locally our housing allocation plan as well as the adu ordinance is a 30 year term So We're the term to be perpetual it would Make the underwriting of those benefits tax credits and the like would make it Either non-compliant or harder because the loans would be considered A greater credit risk or something. I'm not prepared to answer that question, but I think consistency may be an issue Okay I want to just discuss the community benefits as well and the percentage of points that can be earned by providing these Community benefits and the types of things that are treated as community community benefits and table 312 And I'd like to pull up the Okay, so the types of community benefits are public open space and we did hear a public comment about the Loose definition perhaps I do see that it looks like a defined term here, but Maybe if it is a defined term I could be informed of the definition Uh, so we have public open space. We have Historic or landmark preservation. We have infrastructure and capital improvements. We have family size rental units, and we have innovative community benefits To my reading of it Four of the five of these categories don't provide any certain benefits that have anything to do with the quality of life or the financial situation of people who are rent burdened or struggling to meet their housing Needs in an affordable way The public open space. I mean All of these things would benefit the public generally, but in no way did any of them really seem like they would Be any specific help to the people who The state wants to benefit by creating density bonus laws, and I know that there's legal space to do something like this, but That's the first observation and Second one is that it's you can get up to 40 percent of the eligibility points from these things and Which is awfully high. It's practically 50 50. We could almost call this community benefits ordinance if it's 40 percent And then in particular the innovative community benefit Community benefit, I mean I just Am very uncomfortable with the complete open-endedness of that I see it as a way for a developer to approach the council with something that is politically Salient and for the council to determine that it's an innovative community benefit without regard to Benefiting people who need affordable housing So I think we discussed in the last meeting the reason for these included in the ordinance Which was to make projects more feasible by adding flexibility for developers and decreasing the financial burden That would apply from affordable housing Is that is that a basic? Explanation for why they're in there I think that's a fair characterization that Um this this is This is a not one shoe fits all sizes. It allows for An opportunity to reflect conditions or site circumstances recognizing that Development settings vary tremendously throughout this area of the city And there may be a unique aspect to a site that really points towards a community benefit such as an open space or an infrastructure improvement and Just in terms of the changes Besides the state law required changes were Were any changes made that increase the Mandate to create affordable housing Or were any changes made that make the provision of affordable housing That we could expect them to increase versus the draft of the ordinance that we saw in the last meeting Um I'll comment and I'll allow my colleagues to comment as well on that issue, but really We didn't for instance change the rate or schedule for Affordable units to generate eligibility points towards concessions. So that remains the same We we tried to strive for clarity in the ordinance for instance on protection of preservation areas And I think that clarity Indirectly helps the development community to move forward on this because they connect with Better sense of certainty as to outcome And allow others to comment Yeah Since the last your last reading of this ordinance there weren't any adjustments that accelerated the rate Uh of requirement for affordable units or the level of affordability that was initially Considered. So what you're seeing is what you saw previously I would add only that the The density bonus tool is meant to by its design to be an incentive mechanism Rather than in comparison to for example an inclusionary ordinance, which is the required amount of Affordable units that you would be needed to provide so In structuring it as an incentive program The city spent some time considering what would actually function well As an incentive to get the private market to contribute to this cause and this need And so that's where we receive the input that some of this Some of these alternative measures like community benefits were Valuable and leveraging and getting to an end goal that might not otherwise be achieved We also did surveys of other communities to understand how they had gone beyond State density bonus law to understand what additional incentives work and don't work And there was considerable support for this mechanism of allowing the flexibility to be there So I can give you a practical example With the open space provision this is taken from other jurisdictions If a property owner and a developer of a market rate project had two properties, there was an instance of Using the open space provision to improve A site that was otherwise difficult to develop and not what would not have been cost effective As part of a density bonus application for a different project And so through the process of completing one project and receiving the density bonus They were able to improve a second project and make it viable for housing And thereby contribute more to housing. So I think you do not see additional requirements that would spur Affordable housing beyond what you saw previously, but the structure of the ordinance was meant to Maximize within reasonable bounds the incentive that would Engage the private market in What is it relatively costly and difficult to achieve? Projects in the onsite development of units Okay, thank you one last question. It's about the medium low density general plan land use designation and the The reduction if I'm not mistaken in the maximum achievable supplemental density bonus when it is within Close proximity to transit and schools. Is it right in schools correct? And the comment was made that it has no Application to any of the areas that are subject to the revised Ordinance the station areas that it simply Doesn't come into play at this time with regard to those and it's done with an eye to future areas That might come into the scope of the density bonus ordinance Yes, I might add there It's conceivable a land use Change could occur within the study area Which might bring a property to this land use that you know to the medium low residential designation But you're correct currently the land uses within The supplemental density area Do not include the low density medium low density residential Can I ask why it was decided that it was necessary at this time to make that change instead of when the Zones get expanded and people have an opportunity to comment on it when it's actually Going to have an impact on them Yeah, well again the general plan amendment process could get a site within the supplemental density area Into this land use designation and this cap Would be a tool to help to ensure that it Would minimize potential impacts to a surrounding residential area and we're hopeful that This framework for supplemental density or for density bonus generally in the city Will be a tool that can be used city-wide and as we gain experience with it and see How the development community begins to work with this regulation it It may be modified we we can anticipate with potentially with the downtown Area plan update that is or specific plan update that's occurring that that boundary may shift To the west from its current location to extend out to brookwood from downtown to capture That residential area and so we we could see an instance like that where Having this provision in place which is currently dormant in a sense May be activated if those boundary changes occur Okay, there's a statement in the staff report on page 10 that Applies to this provision and it says quote this provision will help protect the single family residential character of the west end neighborhood Was that neighborhood particularly Considered in context of this revision That was authored with the intention to provide an example Not not to be a sole case Okay commissioners any other questions for staff Maybe I'd like to move a resolution for the purposes of discussion. We do have two resolutions. The first is on the sequa document the second is on the ordinance as modified by the late changes and As I understand it, we have a clean draft of it on which to vote that incorporates. Yes. Yeah I think it would be appropriate to give all of our comments after the first resolution and then the second one We can proceed to a vote right away Okay, as any commissioner wanting to make a motion on the first resolution I'll go ahead and move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of senor roza recommending to city council adoption Of a negative declaration for zoning code text amendment to amend zoning code chapter 20 dash 31 Density bonus and other developer incentives to be consistent with updates to california government code section 65915 State density bonus law and to extend state law with a supplemental density bonus of up to 100 Within the boundaries of the downtown station area specific plan in the north station area Santa rosa station specific plan file number re z one eight dash zero zero four and way further reading of the text Do I have a second second Okay, the resolution was moved by commissioner sysco seconded by vice chair weeks commissioner sysco, would you like to start sure? I'm pleased with the result of the changes I think that The changes respond to the concerns of the green belt lines certainly of the neighborhoods I think it's in keeping with what we're trying to do in santa rosa, which is aim our development in the Areas where the best the infrastructure can best support it So I think limiting it to the two station area plans was very appropriate. I'm glad to see the language that protects the preservation districts I'm glad that victoria lane is protected by having had the rosaline area removed from it so overall i'm very happy with The changes and the result to go to council just with the with the one Concern and maybe suggestion that we just eliminate that number two to me. It just sounds too tempting of an out and I know we're always concerned about how You know and again like you said the developer can't come forward if he's looking like things are changing And then we have the opportunity to actually Make a decision on it as opposed to they just get the out at the end and they're in their own way So that's really the only Concern that I have in this. I hear some maybe cleanup language from other commissioners, which I would certainly support commissioner polio I agree with a lot of the comments that commissioner sisco just made. Um, I I understand that this is an experiment with the supplemental side of it And I think it's important that we have that we are starting with the two Station areas and then we have the ability it's scalable So if it does what we want to go to all the pda's we have that ability later down the road and I agree with I think that we should just cut out the l2 on page 23 Um Regarding that because the developer does have the opportunity to come back and Revisit that if that is an issue of the at the end of cycle Questioner weeks I appreciate the fact that you heard us last time and made some changes and clarified some of the issues I like the fact that Um Some of the historic neighborhoods are protected I think that that was a great addition as well as the fact of concentrating The density where I think senator oza wants it to be concentrated Um, so I am supportive of Uh, the changes. Thank you Commissioner groeninga Pretty much concur with the previous comments. I think uh This is a good resolution In a couple of ways here and I really have no further Questions or comments at this time other than what I Would wish to see is more public comment coming in from Such groups as the raro square um Raro square association whatever it may be For example there, but uh, I'm perfectly fine with this Mr. Peterson, I appreciate the Tremendous amount of work that that staff has put into this. It's a very complex issue Um as reflected by the the complexity and the the resolutions themselves um However, I'm concerned that We're at a time where we we need really radical solutions to The housing crisis and what's going on. We've got um thousands of of homeless citizens we've got a huge percentage of the um city Is rent burdened? A third are severely rent burdened And I'm I'm just afraid that While I understand sort of their the reasons for the directions That this resolution went that it really doesn't Go far enough to to actually get Where we need to go Along those same lines, I would like to see a little bit more more teeth in this Whether it's A really robust Sort of evidentiary showing for the developer That they can't financially justify having dispersed affordable units Whether it's a signage requirement for public open space if they're going to you know rely on that to Get eligibility points I just I want I want to see more for The people that this is designed for And I I think Maybe we're at a point where this is as far as things can go now. Maybe we can revisit it in in the future, but I'm inclined to to go as far as we can now And and really push it to address the very serious Issues that we're we're dealing with in this city And I won't I'll do my best not to belabor the the clear feelings I have That were obvious in the previous questions that I was asking I do think that this ordinance is a step that will Somewhat improve things. I understand the symbiotic relationship between inclusionary and the density bonus I actually think that the limitation of the area of to the station area Makes sense. I was concerned about the effects it would have on roseland in particular and I was prepared to support that kind of change I think the preservation district change makes sense although We can question What exactly we're preserving sometimes But I I agree completely with commissioner peterson. I think There's clearly support for the ordinance. So I'm going to register My um disappointment with what I think is a missed opportunity Based on good intentions based on a lot of effort and research I don't understand why we're letting these units revert to market rate ever We just saw a study today that we're about to see the expiration Of a ton of 30 year affordable restricted units in the state I mean it doesn't seem like it's ever going to come but evidently These problems are here to stay because nobody's willing to Turn over the market based model That intrinsically fails to deliver affordable housing. It's not capable of doing it In the way that we've set up land use and the way that we've set up the financial system and the way that we've set up The amount of money that people make in the economy just can't be done What really is necessary is a very stringent inclusionary ordinance And I know that it is going to cause capital flight And at some point there's got to be a reckoning with these issues This is very much a You know holding your finger over the leak in the boat type situation So I want to go on record as think as saying that I just don't think it's going to be anything close to what we need If my vote were necessary to pass it I might think differently, but I'm going to vote against it I do think that I would appreciate a cleanup on the 55 year language even though it's it's a You know, it's a footnote I don't like the fact that the city council gets to take another peek at it I think that the language in there is is disfavorable to the ordinance being strengthened I think it clearly indicates that they should consider getting rid of the ordinance I just don't think it's appropriate I don't think that the medium-low thing is is appropriate either I think that the reference to the west end neighborhood was kind of a Freudian slip of some sort to political considerations And I also think that one reason I would want this to be quite a bit stronger Is because the city council is going to get to completely do whatever it wants and I would like to send them something strong that expresses belief that We should put teeth in this thing and Just a couple of footnotes so I don't neglect to say them I think the community benefits thing is just wildly wildly misguided So I would drop the percentage far below 40. I would I would get rid of all of them except the family size housing and commissioner sysco Has the observation about the The offset when the eligibility points fall After approval and I was originally quite persuaded by that but I'm thinking through how I think it might play out and knowing that they would only come from The is that and if this is the way it's currently drafted that they would only come In a short fall from the community benefits it wouldn't be It wouldn't be the case that they're allowed to have a reduction in the points that are derived from affordable housing the 60 percent To respond you're correct because the affordable housing agreement would be set in place Prior to the issuance of the building permit okay, so Now that I am Aware of that. I think that I would support it and the reason why is that I would be perfectly happy to see an innovative community benefit or a Historic landmark community benefit replaced with money into the affordable housing fund that I would Actually hope that all 40 percent of the eligibility points go away So that we could get more money for affordable housing, so I wouldn't support that change I did hear support though, so The commission might want to consider making that change or any other changes So before I ask for your votes just ask anybody else has any further comment or any suggestions for revisions And then if I just may if if it were the desire of the commission to Address that provision l2 it would be that we would ask for a friendly amendment to To add that I don't know if there's anyone wishing to make a friendly amendment to revise section with the next Motion though right now. We're just on the negative definition discussing. Yes. Okay. Thank you patty. Yeah next one. I'll be ready okay But we could take the temperature since Commissioner call you and I are in support of that I can take before I make that next motion We vote on this one just take the temperature how people are feeling about eliminating that provision This is specifically the l2. Yeah They can let's proceed down the line. Commissioner Peterson, please Yes, if I may interrupt. I put on the screen or on the monitor there Two options the top one. I believe Kessat chair syscos or members syscos Idea Simply eliminating any provision for paying out or buying out of eligibility points. Okay, but it does Remain that the Applicant must certify they actually provided what they promised which is an important component of that so eliminate the Language Okay, okay Just you can see the the one below Goes to chair edmondson's point that Community benefits could be bought out Okay, so option one is no after the fact buy out Okay, if the commission is comfortable with the comparison between those two options, I would ask that you Convey your feeling about whether you support neither or support one or the other and I'll ask that you describe them as options a and b Anytime you're ready commissioner Peterson I'm sorry. I need somebody to just sort of walk me through a the implication of a again The option a simply requires the developer to report to the city. They fulfilled the community benefits the or all of the Provided all of the affordable units and community benefits that they Committed to with the supplemental density bonus approval So it's it's a it's a check-in at the end to confirm They did what they promised to do and they were and what happens if they didn't Then they have to go back and do the work to provide it or the project would have to go back for revision to the review authority You have to be a modified project. I mean so based on that description. I mean I'm inclined for option a And I suppose any commissioner is ready to comment. Um, I'll I'll be happy to hear from and recognize I'll interject without ending the discussion. I'm in favor of b I won't be voting in support. So We can do this again further All right, I'm just trying to get an early temperature reading here before I read that motion So that we wouldn't have to do a friendly amendment or I wouldn't have to do a separate motion that we all vote on but So we would ask for a motion for the resolution as modified to reflect The option that is the preference of the commission which appears to be option a Well, why don't we go ahead with the vote on the first finish the first resolution on the negative mitigating negative declaration And then we can proceed further comments before I ask for your votes I need clarification on what we're voting on this voting on a negative declaration right now I'm sorry. Just the negative declaration The negative declaration Commissioners your votes, please that passes with six i's commissioner dug in being absent Would anybody like to move The second resolution I'm going to include The the modification now and see what happens. Okay Move a resolution of the planning commission of the city of santa rosa recommending to city council approval of an ordinance to amend Zoting code chapter 20 dash 31 density bonus and other developer incentives To be consistent with updates to california government code section 65915 state density bonus law and to extend state law with a supplemental density bonus of up to 100 Within the boundaries of the downtown station area specific plan and the north station area the north santa rosa station specific plan file Number re z one eight dash zero zero four including the modification of option a regarding Page 23 of the resolution l 23 dash two and way for the reading of the text second okay, the Modified was moved by commissioner sisco and seconded by commissioner graniga and if there's no further discussion commissioners your votes, please that passes with five i's Commissioner admins and voting no chair admins and voting no and commissioner dug in being absent And that concludes our business and we're adjourned Thank you


I'd like to meet my family. It's my sister Nancy. I want to meet my mother-in-law. You all have to stand on this side. We can't get the picture on the phone. Okay. There we are. And did you meet Lisa, my sister? I think we want you to move in. Mr. President, I'd like to tell you what an honor it's been to work for you. I was a 26-year-old girl when I first came. You've given me the opportunities of a lifetime. And not only that, but a chance to work for a great president and a historic presidency. Well, it's an unhappy occasion here. And it really is. But I have a little souvenir that I think you should have along. So sometimes when the sun goes over the yard on her white, you'll be reminded. Thank you, Mr. President. Well, she's been wonderful. She really is. She's got a wonderful man to work for. She's very inspired by you. I will be inspired for the rest of my life. Thank you very much. And thank you for all you've done. You've done a very wonderful, star-ward effort. I know you've got a busy schedule here today. So thank you for seeing us. Well, please see you all. Sorry for the occasion. That's right. Well, I'm honored to see you all. Thank you for lending it to us. Yes, they said I would enjoy your son. I think he's doing a marvelous job. He's getting better and better and better. I've been pretty surprised myself. I think he's just had so much char. We get that from you. He's just doing big professionally. He was such a joy. He likes what he's doing. He's demonstrating such a versatility. You know, to go up there on an airplane and bail out. Oh, I like the haunted house one. I thought that was great. Thank you, Mr. President. Last night? Weren't you? And this is Lillian Clark. Hello. How are you? Nice to see you. She's been showing everybody around town. They're so excited. Come over here and get in the middle. We only have a picture. And maybe you and I don't have a picture. Thank you. Oh, sorry. Right here. You can smile. You're so grateful for your tremendous generosity.  It's been a while, I guess, since 1980. When I was with Randolph Scott and not Pat. And I was working on the campaign. Thank you. Thank you. Well, you're going to remain in here because the others are going to come in now. What we're going to do is assemble everybody behind the desk for the class photo. The class photo. And step right up here behind the desk. Yes. Ready? Ready. Okay. Now we've got about 35 others coming in. My roommate is right behind me here. Did you give Kathy the letter? Thank you. President Reagan, I'm Helen Cruz. How are you? Nice to see you. Why don't you stop right there? Move it. A threesome? Yes. All right. Thank you. Could we do one more thing? What? We want to pin one answer. It's very safe. And one for Nancy. And you can do that later. Would you please? It's from trying. Not just the box. Let's see here. Promise not to stick you. Oh. There it is.  Elwood makes these every year for all the volunteers. And we're just honored to think that he could be here. We're very proud of that home, you know. Well, you all made me very proud of what you're doing. Mr. Elwood, right next door please. Why don't you turn to the side? Are you turning to the side? Mr. Elwood? I used to go to Grey Cross. National Geographic. National Geographic. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Ma'am. Thank you. Great to see you. You're welcome. Have a great week. Thank you. I'm really tired. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Nice to see you. Thanks. I'm Sophie Shea from Ashton and greetings from there. Hi. This is great. It's nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi. Hi. This is great. It's nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Hi. Hi. Hi. Right here. Thank you. I didn't get to say it. Oh. My father knew it. I don't know anything. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. We have visitors who wish you a nice day. That's good. Thank you, ma'am. I'm a constituent. I'm scared with my fingers. I'm scared with my fingers. Be a little bit more. Sure. Thank you. I need to see you. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Nice to see you. Oh, it's great to be here. I'm Sophie Shea. I'm nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Thank you. Thanks for coming. You're welcome. Right here. Right here.  Sir, why don't you change the place with this lady and the yellow here? Please if you would. I'm so ready. No, ma'am. Okay, believe me, I think you're going to have to cut to the end. Yeah, so you go on. Okay. Yes, wonderful job. But you know one of the things that strikes me so bad. And it goes back to the government. Yes, ma'am. We just want to come back. Why don't you trade the trade place with her and then move a little bit to your left? Me? No, no. Are you able to see me? And I am very tempted that before I leave, for the presidents who will follow to see if we can arrange to get that back. This is going to be a hard time. We're going to ask you to do that. Okay, right here. This is... Can I ask you one of these? Purple, red, right there. Yes, ma'am. Okay. Three more for Todd first. I got the Love Moon Community Building Museum that has your record done. Thank you, Mr. President. The log went away in a flash. What we say... Good luck, ma'am. Good luck, ma'am. Did all the ladies see you? I don't know what to do. I tell you well, I never say thanks. I was all right. It was the boss of another national log. I had a few days off and someone came back and went right up the low park and swam with Johnny Crabtree by now. Amazing, yes. And I got there and he said, hey, I want to go up to the bath house for a few minutes. He said, would you watch for... Well, it was... It hadn't been that long since he said sure. And while he was gone, I got number 78. I went up against your one o'clock and they want to give you a couple years' worth. On behalf of the entire... Some who are not here. This is our gift to you. Well, thank you very much. Yes, and... You want me to open it? Please. Some of them did not get to see it. And they asked us not to tape it all up, so we didn't see it. Maybe have a dozen, but this one is from us. That's the tuition plan. We're honored to be here this year. Oh, thank you very much. And we have you here. I won't take it out of there. We asked that they sell Dixon Illinois out completely, not I-L. And then this quickly, we know, Kathy, okay, this, you're going to... You're going to ask to autograph this for us to take it back. This has been donated as a gift to the Visitor Center made by three ladies, four ladies, and their names are on it. And Marion and I are going to hold it up while you autograph. If you will, please. Where will we go? Where is the spot? Where is the flag? Where is the spot where you are? No, wait, it's the flag. But where about us, just... Oh, right there. Right there. Oh, that's right. I'm going to put it right here. I'll tell you what. Let us... However you want it. These ladies are honored that you're doing this. This is all the arch and the Reagan home, your boyhood home. They got to hang in the Visitor Center. We have the pole that will hold it. Welcome. I want to do that. No, I'm going to hold it up. Okay. Thank you. Isn't there something else? Al, I want to tell you that where that came started in my life was about a three pack of Daymands for years and years and years. I decided that nature may be telling me something. So, I put the pipe, I gave the pipes all the way. But then right after dinner, especially in one Easter someone had sent it some of those. And I found out that a few of those after dinner, and I didn't miss the pipe. Mr. President, you're behind schedule. Can we miss it? I sure will. She's down.


I can say a few things, including his own impressions. There are three things I'd like to do very quickly. The first one is, of course you can all add your own judgment, but personally I believe this has been the most interesting science review week that I've attended in the last seven years. So I feel very, very happy about this, the whole range of things that have been presented and the quality of the research and the new ideas and the results that are being produced seemingly much faster than before. That's just all extremely good and we reassure you. The second thing before I could get this, which I sometimes do, is I need to of course link all of it, although mostly ladies are few men. Do you work in the background to make this thing work? So the barricade or so on, which is really great in terms of a lot. There's one other little thing I want to do. I'll give a little personal price to somebody under who can come forward. Now the young scientist program has been a lot of work and of course as she has pointed out, there's been a lot of people involved with these, but there's always one person who needs to bring it together. And I know that she spent a lot of time on this. In doing everything, how to pay a very transparent amount of money, divide the budget to support the young scientist program, I think she's faced a few interesting new challenges in this process. But I just want to thank you for all of this and you can now make a wise choice. You can either eat this yourself, or share it with your daughter, or share it with your committee. Thanks for your great work. Please find a thank you. I would like to say expressing this really great pleasure with how this week has gone and the incredible depth and breadth that was covered that reflects the breadth, but not completely of the work that's going on here, the depth is as well. I'm always impressed with Lachan. He starts out and says there's three points he wants to make in the action, and makes all three. I definitely lose count. At the dinner of the year 1990, he said he had four rules. I was sitting there like, God, how can you make this four rules? But at any rate, there's no question that the great work of the organization, the energy that we see in the work that's going on here right now, young scientists, old scientists, in many ways reflects that energy that Lachan brings to the job. As you all know, Lachan's leaving sometime early next year. I set out a memo announcing his replacement to the Matthew Morrell, and we're excited about Matthew's joining, but there's no question in learning this Lachan very much. He has put his heart and soul and plenty of time to say goodbye, but this is, I think, the best time to just think a little bit about how much Lachan has brought to the Institute. The young scientists, I think, he has taken special attention to your needs, making sure that we bring you here, that we have an institution that's welcoming for you, that will help you grow, that you have not just one mentor, that we have several mentors. And so I think we should all at least put our hands together and thank Lachan for this. Whether it's a cartoon set, they could never get people to integrate because the silos, people like to stay in silos, so they can then blame it on anybody else. Well, that's one way to look at it. Now, another way to look at it is to design a system of work so that you have focus and you can address critical issues and you are truly accountable for what happens. If you're in a silo, you cannot point to anybody else. So I think that let's be very clear about that. And I think let's also be clear that when we think about the Global Rights Science Partnership, if it's a silo, it's a silo as big as the world and it's a silo as large as the world's largest food crop.  It offers great opportunity. It offers great challenges. And I think what we see, what we have seen this week, clearly of the choice, mention of multifaceted needs of the world's most important food crop. Rather than 15 different programs, that was the choice. And I think as we have seen risk grow and as we see the depth and richness of the research that is being conducted, as we see how that results of that result we're actually reaching into the farmers field. We saw many, many presentations and it ranged from the most fundamental discovery research all the way to what's happening in one poor farmer's field, be it in Eastern Africa, be it in South Asia, be it in Southeast Asia. And that was truly impressive. If that's a silo, I'll take it too. So I think you all need to be very proud of yourselves of what's going on, the work you're doing, the energy you've brought to the endeavor. And I think to have, even as exciting as it is to have survived an entire week and at the end of the weekend's phase we're all getting a little tired. But just for me personally, I want to just thank you all for the tremendous commitment you have to the vision of the Institute, which is of course my mission, as Bruce reminded us this morning, and the energy you bring to it and the commitment you bring to it. It's just so much fun to be working with you all and it's such a great pleasure to have the opportunity to get the last word. The last word is, have a great weekend. Thanks a lot.


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All right, open source education, right? Yeah, thank you. All right, this is going to be much less exciting, but we'll see how it goes. So like Jason said, I'm going to talk about open source and education. I was at the Red Hat Summit about a year ago, much closer to the waterfront, but I said education is broken. Well, I'm still a college student, and I've learned a lot in the past year, so I want to talk about that for a little while. This is a book that I feel like I should have brought along, but I didn't. It's called A New Culture of Learning, written by John C. Brown. It actually talks a lot about the principles that I've come to hold true, so I'm going to read you a couple of quotes from that book, which is sort of my way of lecturing you. The kind of learning that will define the 21st century is not taking place in the classroom, at least not in today's classroom. Rather, it is happening all around us everywhere, and it is powerful. We call this phenomenon the new culture of learning, and it is grounded in a very simple question. What happens to learning when we move from the stable infrastructure of the 20th century to the fluid infrastructure of the 21st century, where technology is constantly creating and responding to change? Well, sounds like a valid question, but I want to take a step back and talk about culture because a new culture of learning, what does that even mean? We sometimes say that people come into open source communities and they get a culture shock, so. And as an example, I would like to talk about my school, Olin College, where we also say people don't get what we do at the school until they come and see what's going on. So we ran a study and talked to faculty, administrators, students to figure out what it actually is that makes our school special. And we came up with a couple of things, but we found that there was actually no common language for all these values, behaviors, and attitudes that people in the community were exhibiting. Some of them were risk-taking, openness to change, things like that. Now, what does that remind me of? Exactly, open source communities. And there's even an academic term for that that's called communities of practice. The researcher who's looking into that is called Etienne Wenger, and one of the definitions of communities of practice go through being absorbed in the community of practice, and apprentices learn who is involved, what they do, what everyday life is like, how masters talk, walk, work, and generally conduct their lives. Well, so there's this culture that we can get people involved in, but we still don't know how. So there is somebody who conducted another study on how kids interact with new media these days. And she came up with three major things, namely hanging out, messing around, and geeking out. So I want to talk about these for a little bit, namely hanging out, which many of us know if you are actually involved in an open source project, you subscribe to the mailing list. You lurk in the IRC channel. You sort of see what's going on. I don't know, maybe you put one toe into the water, but that's about where you stay. Then there's messing around, which maybe you don't load the code, you try to compile it, you put your feet in the water, but you're not actually getting deeply involved. Maybe it will throw an arrow and you don't know what to do. And then there is geeking out, which is I guess what I'm doing here right now.  And that's sort of the level that we want to get at. And I think people are passionate about a lot of things, but since there's this new culture of learning, we are moving these things from maybe the classroom or the workspace to hobbies. They're happening everywhere because the communities of practice are everywhere and we can interact everywhere with people. So they can experiment, they can play, they can question things. And it's not so much about finding the answer in the back of the book, which is what we did in the early days, but we're trying to get away from that. So I've talked a lot about culture now, but there's more to it, namely knowledge, habitat, attitude, resources, and imagination. Tina Selig is a person who's working at the D-School at Stanford and she characterized innovation as being composed of these six components. So if you want to foster innovation, people jumping into water, in your company or in your community, you need to think about all these pieces and try to create a coherent image that enables people to be intrinsically motivated and self-determined and help them to work on the things they actually care about. Thank you.


Darko has left for Berlin, Germany. My dog, crapped on the floor, and more news about Help Wanted has been revealed. You are watching FNAF News, the most reliable news source. Good evening, I'm Gloria Carthen, and welcome back to FNAF News. Let's get straight into the facts, guys. Straight... The sad part, it's bad for you guys watching this, but it's even worse because I have to edit it. I don't care anymore. That's just, there's been a new article, not new. It's like a week old. Explaining some more things about Help Wanted that I thought seemed interesting, so I just was gonna share with you guys. This is an article I found on Shaq News. Shaq News. Pew News. No, I'm just kidding. We're done with Pew News. That's the only time I'm gonna use it, hopefully. The person that wrote this, I forget their names. Sorry, it's somewhere here, but I don't wanna move the page because I've got it perfectly aligned with you guys seeing it in my facecam and everything. So this is Shaq News. Someone, the person that wrote this got to play through FNAF VR. I don't know whether or not it was at PAX East in America, or if they just got an early demo. I remember, I didn't make a video about this because there literally wasn't anything to make a video on based off of this, but during Darko's Lights Out livestream over this past weekend, Scott actually came on and donated $10,000, which is just unbelievable for all those people out there saying that Scott's selfish, because he's making all these games, bringing in all the money. A, the past two of his games have been free and he just donated $10,000 to WWF, which is amazing. By the way, Darko raised over like $18,000 for WWF. It was actually really incredible. I'm gonna leave the link to Lights Out down below in the description, but anyways, a bit off topic. Scott said when he donated that he originally wanted to give a demo out to Lewis for the Lights Out charity stream, but they're just, it wasn't ready. So that does mean that since we did have a demo at PAX and seeing as Scott did wanna release a demo to Darko a few days ago, we're getting pretty, pretty close to the release of how wanted seeing as we are in this demo early build, excuse me, early build stage. Anyways, so that was just something I wanted to mention. Shaq News, we're gonna be reading this paragraph right here. The game is half classic FNAF and half brand new content mode just for the VR version. Players will be able to play through the first four games in their entirety as they attempt to survive through the evening without a robotic murder of any sort. The game will also feature a hefty roster of fan favorite creatures like Nightmarion, spelt it wrong, but okay, who had only previously been available as a Halloween bonus to FNAF 4. Players can also look forward to meeting several new characters along the way and hopefully not be killed by any of them. The two mini games that got a chance to sample were very different but made good use of the FNAF VR, the VR set up the PS move controllers. I don't know what those are. In the first mini game, I had to do some simple maintenance on one of the robots. This is the part, this is the mini game where we will pay off an FNAF 1 Bonnie. We've seen this many, many times in previous videos. I would link it, but honestly, we've covered it so much. So just look on any past VR help wanted video and you're sure to find it. I had to follow the directions being fed to me precisely or I would be as good as dead. First, I had to untouch the faceplate, or unlatch the faceplate, excuse me, then remove the eyes in proper order before turning the creature's guitar to its proper intonation, intonation, whatever. Yeah, intonation, that sounds about right. I don't care. Yeah, this is the Bonnie scene. We've seen it plenty of times. I think we saw it more specifically in the last video. Just so I can have something to link you guys so you guys can see it. But yeah, that's gonna be down there as well. But the main thing we want to focus on is the first paragraph. So based on that paragraph alone, we have loads of information. Number one, we are going to be playing through FNAF 1, 2, 3, and 4 through their entirety. Now, I don't know whether that means we're gonna be playing seven total nights of each game or if we're just going to be playing five nights or if we're just gonna be playing one night. But who knows? We definitely are going to be playing through those four. Again, with this location, we know about that through Scott's Steam, not Steam, but Reddit post on Reddit, surprisingly. And yeah, the entirety of FNAF 4 has been remade into VR for us to play in Help Wanted, which is just really, really awesome. Nightmarion is going to be in it. Whether that means they're gonna be a part of the FNAF 4 section or maybe there's like a Halloween edition of FNAF 4 that's also been included. But who knows? Again, we don't know. Doesn't say there's a Halloween edition. It just mentions that Nightmarion is going to be in it. And probably the most important thing here is gonna be several new characters. Now, whether that means completely new characters, like, I don't know, Gary the Gorilla. There's not gonna be any Gary the Gorilla, I hope not. Or whether that means characters that we know of but haven't seen before. Like Spring Barney, for example, or like Fixed Mangle or something along the length of that. So new characters. That's something that is really, really exciting to hear. And then also fan favorite characters, a hefty roster, which is interesting. I believe that is what we saw. Now, I'm guessing whether this means roster, roster, like just characters in the game or roster as in a grid featuring multiple characters as in a custom night grid, like we saw in another video that we saw. I'll also link that one. Talking about possible custom nights for VR. But honestly, I don't know how much that's going to work now. Now that we have more information about VR, it's more specifically Help Wanted, I guess. Whenever I say more information about VR, I'm talking about Help Wanted. Don't assume I'm talking about like Super Mario Odyssey VR, which by the way, that's gonna be pretty cool. You know, Breath of the Wild VR, it's gonna be pretty cool, too. Yeah, I'm talking about Help Wanted. I don't think they're gonna be able to do a custom night now because we now know that Help Wanted isn't, you know, a five nights game. It has 40 plus mini games that you can play through. Hopefully that makes sense, where it's not actual, you know, survive this night, then move on to the next one and the next one. It's all right, choose what mini game you wanna do or maybe you have them going in specific orders. That would be cool. But yeah, that was that section. This paragraph does nothing special. You can pause the video and read it if you want. But basically, he failed to do the Bonnie mini game and he died. But this next paragraph right here is talking about the Mangle mini game. I'm guessing he did go to PAX ECing as both the Bonnie and Mangle mini game were available. So yeah, this paragraph says, the next mini game I tried put me in the role of a maintenance repair person tasked with fixing the thermostat. I started out in a small room in the middle of a ventilation system as I pulled switches and made adjustments to levers slots and made adjustments to levers slots would open to the left and right of me in the front. As each opened up, I would have to listen for the sounds of creatures crawling through the vent.  He seems to really like that line. I was constantly shifting my view from one side or another as I attempted to finish the task at hand. The most intense part was probably having to reach into the vents and fidget with things because it forced my focus to finish the objective. This we have heard about and we've seen videos of in the trailers but we don't really know at least not that I have covered maybe some other YouTubers have or maybe you guys have just heard it in the news or just by talking to friends or someone, I don't know.  Mango has the chance of coming through one of them while you also have to go into one, flick some switches and stuff and some levers and then when you're done with that, you're done. Then go into the next one, finish that one, the next one, finish that one and apparently you are repairing the thermostat. Okay. I know thermostats have to do with vents but like how hot is Mango getting in the vents or how cold are they getting? I don't know. I hope there's like, God, I hope there's just a thermostat there that we can just turn up and down like that one episode of SpongeBob where Plankton's in the Krusty Krab and he's changing the settings on the thermostat. Anybody else remember that episode? That was a good episode. So yeah, that was an article on Shack News made by Blake Morse. I did take a look at the author or the writer I guess to just give them credit for that. It's linked down below along with some other FNAF Help Wanted videos just in case you guys are interested and have missed those. But yeah, hopefully you found this video enjoyable and if you want more information I didn't cover everything in the article just cause we've either heard it before or just wasn't really interesting. Well, you know, go get down there, go read it. Go read the rest of it if you want. It's pretty interesting. And you know, do your own research. See what other people are looking at for Help Wanted. The Reddit, the five minutes at Freddy's Reddit is very, very useful if you just Google, well not Google, if you look on the Reddit and just type in Help Wanted you'll find loads of videos from PAX. It's really awesome just to see people's experiences and maybe some things you might have missed from other people's videos. And it's really shaping. That doesn't make any sense. The game's going well. Like I said earlier in the video a demo was planned for last weekend but there wasn't enough there. So if that April 30th speculation of release date is correct I wouldn't be surprised if we see it sometime around April 30th or early May which I'm super, super excited for. I'm still trying to get my hands on an Oculus or something like that.  Yeah, I'm trying to get my hands on a VR headset. Please stick with me guys. I'm trying everything I can do. And just to end on a quick note I know I said in some past videos that I wanted to I wanted to get you guys involved in Darko's Lights Out trying to help the channel win a VR headset. Obviously I did not know how winning a VR headset was going to work. And I didn't at all want anyone to donate money to try and win me a VR headset. If I knew that that's how the winning system was going to work I wouldn't even have mentioned Lights Out just cause I don't want you guys wasting your precious money on me. You know, that's not what I meant at all. So hopefully it didn't come across like that but then again no one else knew how it was going to work. So if you did support the channel at the charity livestream thank you, thank you, thank you so much. But unfortunately I did not know how the winning system was going to work and if I did know that's how it was going to work I definitely would have come up with something else. But anyways, thank you everyone so much for watching and I will see you all on the flip side. Goodbye. Pew news out.


Live from San Francisco, it's theCUBE. Covering Red Hat Summit 2018. Brought to you by Red Hat. Okay, welcome back everyone, this is theCUBE's live coverage here in San Francisco, California at Musconi West. I'm John Furrier, co-host of theCUBE with my analyst this week, co-host John Troyer, co-founder of Tech Reckoning. Our next guest is Dave Abrams, executive general manager of data at Insurance Australia Group. Welcome to theCUBE. Thanks for having me, guys. Talking off camera before we came on about the challenges of data, it's cloud scale.  You're dealing with a lot of legacy. You've got cloud right in the front step. What's going on? Take a minute to explain what you guys do, your role, and your environment. Absolutely, no, so we're a large insurer in Australia and we've got offices in New Zealand and across Southeast Asia, so we're kind of expanding at it in our reach. But we've been around for a hundred odd years and we've really grown a lot through merger and acquisition over time. And so what that's meant, just as a bit of a byproduct of those kind of merger and acquisition process, is that data's been siloed and fragmented in different brands and different products. And so it's been hard to get, for example, just a holistic view of a customer. What does a customer have, all the products they hold? You know, are they personal customers as well as a business customer? All that sort of stuff doesn't kind of line up. So we've had that big challenge and we've been working over the last couple of years to even just kind of consolidate all that, unify that data into one platform so that we can see across the group from a holistic perspective and build that single view of customer. And that's now helped us sort of understand what our customers are doing and what's important to them and how we can better support them and offer better services. And what are you doing here at Red Hat this week? What's the objective? What are you doing? And speaking, are you talking to the folks? What's the solution with Red Hat? Well, so yeah, we're primarily here as a result of the Innovation Award. So we were nominated and we're successful in our award for that category in our region, which is wonderful and we're really honored with that. So we're here because of that, we're here sharing our customer story with the rest of the Red Hat team and the rest of the open source community around really what it's meant for us to use open source within a big corporate that's kind of traditionally been based on a lot of vendor technology, right? We've been driven predominantly by the big tech vendors that have come in and sort of helped us build big solutions and platforms, which were great and wonderful in the fact that they were there and they lasted like 10 years plus. And that was all good, but now because things are changing so fast, we need to be more adaptable and unfortunately, those platforms become so entrenched into the organization and sort of lock you in that to adjust and to be adaptable, you can't take it out very easily. It doesn't even stack up sometimes from a business case to say, why would we take that technology out? We'll just have to dig deeper and we'll just have to spend more, right? So we're trying to re-reverse engineer some of that. And the role open source for you guys have been part of new systems, recruiting, Calent, everything, what's been a benefit the impact of open source? Absolutely, it's huge and you're right. I think one of the biggest benefits for us that really plays out is in the talent side, right? For our people to say, not only are we transitioning our organization as a whole and the way we operate, but we're really transitioning our people. We're transitioning from kind of the workforce that we had and that got us to where we are today, but we're now setting ourselves up for the workforce of the future. And it is a different skillset. It is a different way of approaching problems. So, bring this new technology to the table and allowing people to experiment, to learn to update their skills and capabilities exactly what we need for our company. So we're pushing that hard. Yeah, that's great, it's not a real cultural shift. Can we maybe transfer over a little bit to the actual tech problem you had, right? So you multiple countries, multiple data warehouses, multiple systems, so what were you looking at and then what was the solution that you kind of figured out and then went next to you? Yeah, so when I first started the role a couple of years back, we had something like 23 different separate individual data warehouses. They were all sort of interconnected and dependent on each other and had copies of each other in each other and it was just, it was a little bit of a mess. So the first challenge was to really sort of rationalize and clean up a lot of that. So that's what we spent a fair bit of time up front doing which was basically re-acquiring the organization's data from a massive amount of core source systems. In the vicinity of, I think we take data from roughly about 150 to 200 core systems and we want to take that data essentially in as close to real time as we possibly can and pump that into a new clean unified data lake, right? Just to make that data all line up. So that was the big challenge in the first instance and then the second instance was really a scale problem, so getting the right technology that would help us scale into, because we've predominantly been using our own data centers and keeping a lot of stuff in that sort of on-prem mode but we really wanted to be able to give ourselves scale to not only be able to take advantage of cloud infrastructure just to give us that extra compute and that extra storage and processing but really also to be able to leverage the commoditization that's happening in cloud, right? Because all cloud companies around the world commoditizing technology like machine learning and artificial intelligence so that it's available to lots of organizations and the way we see it is really that we're not going to be able to compete or out-engineer those companies. So we need to make it accessible and available for our people to be able to use and leverage that innovation on our work as well as do some smart stuff ourselves. So are you using infrastructure as a service open stack or what's your solution, what are you guys doing? Solution is yet to use open stack as our first sort of real step into infrastructure as a service. So that's really helped us set up like I was sharing this morning, set up the capability for us to now scale in a really cost efficient way. And we've ported a lot of our traditional, dedicated applications on infrastructure that was like appliance-based and things like that onto open stack now so that it gives us a lot more portability and we can move that around and put that in the place where we think gets us the best value, so that's really helped. I'm kind of curious, you worked with Red Hat Consulting and how was, I was curious about that process. Did you, was that the result of a kind of a bake-off or were you already Red Hat customers and said, oh hey by the way, can you give us some advice? Yeah, it really came about, I mean we've been working with Red Hat for many years you know and it started back just sort of in the support area of Linux and rail and using that kind of capability and Red Hat's been there for us for quite a long time now and I think we've sort of done some exploratory type exercise with them around open shift and the container world but what really started the stick was just getting their expertise in from an open stack perspective and when you know that was a key platform that we really wanted to dive into and enable and so having them there as our partner and helping us provide that extra consulting knowledge and expertise was what we really needed and helped us deliver on that project and we delivered in amazingly tight time frame so it was a great outcome. It was a fast delivery. Fast delivery, exactly. What about the business impact? A lot of people look at open stack and some of these new technologies and suddenly there's a legacy stuff going on you have you've got all these things everywhere. What was the actual business benefits? Can you highlight like did you get like faster time to market? Was it like a claims issue?  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean really what it boils down to is faster time to market, right? And just the ability to move quicker. So to give you an example, the way we used to work is that it would take you say probably weeks maybe even longer to provision and get infrastructure stood up and ready to go for different projects. So I meant that there was all this lead time that projects needed to go through even before they could start to write code and even start to add value to customers.  So again we wanted to take that out of the picture and really free people up to sort of say well the infrastructure is done and it spins up in a matter of seconds now on OpenStack and you can get on with the job of trying something out, experimenting and actually delivering and writing code that will produce an outcome for our customers. You guys launched new applications. What was specific outcome that came from standing up, putting that OpenStack together. Obviously you're experimenting. So what was the result app? Yeah, not only in the app space but more so the biggest sort of benefit we've got is really in the data space where we've now been able to essentially stand up our entire data stack using open source technology and we've never been able to do that before. And this is the environment that's allowed us to do that by just allowing for us to do that, test and trial and say is Kafka going to be the right tool for us? Are we going to use Postgres? Whatever that is, it's allowed us to sort of really do that in a rapid way and then figure that thing out and start to move forward, so. You get a lot of scar tissue, you guys have done a lot of work out there. Good work, so I got to answer the question. With Kubernetes containers now part of the discussion as a real viable way to handle legacy but also new software development projects. How do you look at that? What's your reaction to that as a practitioner? Are you guys excited? Yeah, yeah. Things in motion, what's your color on that? Absolutely, it's in fact it's been something that we've kind of had on the radar for quite a while because we've been working with containers, so dock in particular, and one of the things that you come across is just management of containers and just the ongoing maintenance of those kind of things where they start to get a little bit un-wielding, a little bit out of control. So, we started off trying to build our own solution to that as a lot of corporates do and quickly found out that's a huge engineering challenge. So, things like Kubernetes that have now come along and the investment that's been put into that platform will really open up that avenue for us and even seeing just the new innovation that's been put into our open shift here that sort of takes a lot of that management and service administration out of the equation for you is wonderful for a company like us because at the end of the day we're an insurance company, right? We're not a technology engineering company while although we have some capability, it's never going to be our strength, right? We're really here to service our customers and to help them in the times when they need our help.  Yeah. How will you become more data-driven as a result of all this? Yeah, so now that we've got our data all in one place and we're able to get those single views of customers, we're able to put that data now into the hands of people that can really add value to it. So, for example, into our analytics teams and get them to look for optimization in price or in service, claims processing, all those kind of good things that are helping our customers reduce the time frames that they would normally go through in that part of that experience. And I think one of the other things is not only that, but also enrich our digital capability, right? And enrich that digital channel. So make it more convenient for customers. You know, it used to be that customers would come along and it's literally like coming to the organization for the first time, every time, you know? I want to say fill in that form again from blank. You're like, we don't know anything about you, but now we're able to enrich that form. Exactly, it's very painful to ask you your name and you want to ensure your house, tell us all about that house, you know? What is it made of? You know, what type of roof material? What's the wall? We know all that. We've probably seen that house 10 times already. So why wouldn't we just be able to pre-populate that kind of information and make it more convenient for customers? Personalization becomes critical. Absolutely, absolutely. That's great. I like the way you underscored and told the story. Just like with cloud, you just can't take your broken old IT apps and just throw them up in the cloud.  And sure, that involved open source, but you didn't get the tech stack first. First, you have to fix your data app. Absolutely. And that was a key part here. Yeah, absolutely. That took a lot of effort. And that's one of the things that I think we really invested in it was, because a lot of the time what we've seen is organizations have sort of attacked the low hanging fruit, like the kind of the external, the digital data that they might be able to get, not that offline data that's been, one and generated by the branch and the call centers and all those kind of areas. And we dug in deep and invested in that space and got that right first, which really helped us a lot to accelerate. And now, I think we're in a better position and we can definitely take advantage of that. Yeah, thanks for chairing your insights here in theCUBE. I got to ask you a final question. For the folks watching that are looking at you and say, wow, this guy, he got down and dirty, fixed some things, he's going forward, innovative. What advice would you give someone watching as another practitioner? What have you learned? What's the learnings that have been magnified out of this process for you and your view going forward? Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of learnings we can share, but I think some of the key ones is, I think there's sometimes a bit of a sort of attempt to try and solve everything yourself, right? And we definitely did that, right? Try and build it all yourself and do everything right, but it's a challenge and use partners and look for things that are kind of going to help you accelerate and give you some of the foundational work that you don't have to build yourself, right? You don't have to build everything yourself. And I think that acknowledgement is really key. So that was one of the big things for us. The other thing is, just investing early and getting things right up front, like pulling your data and consolidating it into a single platform, even though that takes a lot of time and it's quite challenging to sort of go back and redo things. That's actually a huge investment, a big win to really help you accelerate at the end.  So, congratulations on your innovation award. Thank you. On stage. Dave Averson, General Manager at IAG Insurance, Australia Group here inside theCUBE. Sharing the best practices, it's a world, you've got to do the homework up front. Open Source is the way, it's an operating model for innovation, theCUBE bringing you all the action here. On day two of coverage, stay with us for more live coverage after this short break.


So, my name is Molly. I'm an MD-PhD student at Oregon Health and Science University, and I'm going to be talking about using research and technology to tackle gender bias. So I actually want to start with disclosures, because I'm a really early learner when it comes to programming, so there was a certain level of intimidation about coming here today and talking to everyone. But I'm happy to, if you have questions about some of the stuff that we're doing, plug you in with people who are way above my level of learning. And I'm trying. I'm trying to keep up and learn all the things. So I wanted to start with the way I think all of us enter school. For me it was medical school my first, you know, first couple of weeks and you enter excited. You enter like ready and jazzed. You're entering academic medicine. It's gonna be great. And then you go to a lecture by one of the professors that you most admire and she talks about salary gaps in gender and how you're gonna get a degree but not make as much money. And then she talks about you're also not going to become a professor because the whole leaky pipeline is a thing. So it's gonna be harder and longer for you. And then she shows the leaky pipeline. So you might also not even stay in medicine. You may end up, you may never become a dean. Women are less likely to sort of make it all the way to the top. And then she does my favorite study of all time, which is where someone looked and said, are there more women in leadership positions in medical schools or are there more men with mustaches? It's called the mustache index. And unfortunately, as you might surmise by the fact that this got published, there are frequently more men in leadership with mustaches than women. A similar study was done in business and they looked at men named John versus women.  So as part of this talk, she talked about letters of recommendation and how letters of recommendation and evaluations influence all sorts of different aspects of a woman's career trajectory, grading, promotion, hiring, tenure-track discussions, and how that could potentially influence part of the issue that we see with the leaky pipeline. Yeah, I was less excited about academic medicine at this point, you know? Like, suddenly I'm like, what have I gotten into? And so I started thinking, what do we do? And so I was thinking about this letters of recommendation thing. And then I was thinking about, like, well, I know Excel. And one of the things I know about Excel is you can use if then statements. And I know people have looked into this because she was quoting literature in her talk. So I'm going to look into the literature. So what does the literature say? And what's been done? So I decided to think about it in terms of rules. And that's one of the great things about qualitative research is they kind of go through, they look at themes, they look at what comes out of the data. So I thought about it in terms, what are the rules? What are the if-then statements that we can make about gender bias as it relates to letters of recommendation and evaluation? And I looked at as much of the literature I could, medicine, science, there was a great paper in geology, business, computing, as you might imagine, this is not an issue unique to the world of medicine. So I found that letters of recommendation for these rules are more likely to include minimal assurance. She's competent. She can do the job versus she's excellent. She excels in this area. She's one of the best people I've ever worked with. They're more likely to highlight effort. She's hard working rather than accomplishment. So they're not talking about what you've accomplished with your work. They're talking about the fact that you work really hard. Well, you can read that as this person's hard working and potentially not getting anything done. And then they they discuss personal life. So family, children, things that you normally wouldn't think to include in letters of recommendation or evaluations per se. They'll often lack formal titles. And they'll include gender stereotypes or motion focused words. So some of the literature talks about this idea about communal versus agenteic language. So for for gentlemen, usually it'll be they're independent, they're self motivated, they're driven. And for women, they're compassionate, they have empathy, they're a great team player, they're interpersonal. And this really has an impact when you're thinking about hiring. Because a lot of times when you're thinking about who you're promoting, you're looking for self directed, independent, and team player might be great, but not necessarily if you're hiring for leadership. And then finally, they raised doubt.  Well, why are you only saying that? And they're often shorter. So I looked at what's out there. And there are some gender bias calculators. I reached out to text IO because I was like, they're doing this for hiring. They're doing this for job searches. They'd be really super willing to help. They weren't. And the Hemingway app sort of does looks at complex sentences. So I was like, there is a way that we can do this with text analysis. This is feasible. And then I was like, well, there are other rules too, that these text analysis programs aren't going to capture because they're highlighting what's there. They're highlighting the presence of female associated words or motion associated words. And they're not highlighting things that are missing. And the rule the the letters for written for women and evaluations, they're less likely to mention publications. They're less likely to talk about projects and research. They're less likely to include superlatives. And to use nouns. So, you know, she, you know, she what was she taught, and he was a he was an excellent teacher. So this idea of a noun versus a verb. And then finally, they they're less likely to include this repetition throughout the letter of positive qualities. So my background, I was a theater major. And one of the things I loved about theater is this concept of a penter pause because emotion takes place in the middle of things. Emotion often doesn't take place only on our words. So he puts in pauses so that we can have space for what needs to be felt. And I also did work briefly in social justice when I was in New York. And so one of the things we talked about there is whose voice is heard? And who are we not hearing from? And how do we represent and bring those voices in? And then finally, I have dyslexia. So when I look at a page of text, I see the white space instead of the black space makes coding super interesting. Let me tell you. And so I'm really fascinated by this idea of space and silence. And what that means for what's missing from the letters, which really gets at the heart of implicit bias and how that impacts everybody. So how do we make this happen? How do we take all those these ideas to and put them together? And what ultimately do we want to create? So I dove in. I learned Python. I took a like an intro class to Python and started learning HTML and did a crash course on GitHub and got involved with Mozilla Open Leaders, which is incredible. I got a mentor. And then I ended up on the pool side because very quickly to do what I wanted to accomplish, we needed natural language processing and lint and APIs and view and the work that goes into developing a plugin. And it got to the point that I could read the code, but probably couldn't totally understand what was happening. And that's where the value of a team really, really comes in because a lot of people in the open source community came in and are helping me make this happen. And I wanted to highlight them here, because otherwise, this never would have happened. And I want to show you where we are right now. So I'm going to have to pop out of this for a second. Oh, it's not going to let me. Sorry, did not expect. Great, everything just went black. So all right, I'm going to keep talking and see if it stops being black. So one of the things, okay, it's thinking great. See if I can show you. So here's what we have so far, you paste in your letter of recommendation. So example of the letter of recommendation, you're going to press submit. And right now it's going to underline violations of the rules that I went over before. So what and then it's going to tell you how you violated that rule. So for example, willingness was violated. So it gives you feedback on that. So what's interesting to me and is what we're working, I know it's well, I can talk through it, and then it'll come back on hopefully check is what the summary statement, right? So we're going to we're also looking for things that are missing. So how do we get that information to people? So right now what we're working on is creating a summary statement so we can talk about missing superlatives, missing publications, missing projects and address that part of it. And one of the things that was interesting is I've done some beta testing with it. We've started some beta testing with it. And they're these great blended rules where it's like, yes, they have superlatives, but it's the best woman, as opposed to being, you know, the best person I've worked with. So we've been finessing it. The other one that came out is the issue with sort of nouns versus adjectives. I did evaluations for med students. You can be patient or you can write a patient history. And so we're trying to tease apart and add that context into the tool as well. So it'll be more useful for people. And digging into the summary statement, I put a lot of thought into that. What does feedback look like? How should feedback work? We know that if you want behavior change, it's got to be positive reinforcement. So we need to say, hey, you did this stuff great. You included superlatives. You had this. You included a lot of statements about research and publications. Great work. Here are things to consider changing to improve the letter. The other thing is I really I wanted to be frequency based because I ultimately I don't want to take all the letters written for women and turn them into letters that sound like they're written for men. We should be valuing and considering the value of emotion focused words of communal language of interpersonal skills and empathy. And a lot of the things we might not think about in hiring and promotion, but it's still really important. And so ultimately the idea is to say you have more of these communal words consider adding agentic or like leadership or sort of more independence focused words from this list instead of deleting really good content content that's there. And my hope going forward once we have the tool is to find out if people will use it. Can the tool change behavior? What level of specificity does it need? Do we need something different for applications? Something for promotion and hiring letters of recommendation or evaluations? And does it need to be specific for fields, right? What differences are going to be there for a letter for a teacher or a professor versus a letter for someone in engineering? And then also going to help with personal statements because I for one tend to not follow any of the rules about good writing and personal statements because I don't want to like highlight that. And can we develop rules for other types of bias? That's where I really want to go next. What are the other types of implicit bias that we can look, make rules for and add in? And I started with rule based instead of statistical based because it's what I knew. It's what I was sort of the one that I could the easiest one to start with. But I would love eventually to get to the more statistical sort of learning based approaches to this. So I told the story in a really specific way today. And the reason I did that is because this idea came because I went to a talk and sitting you're sitting together in a room with different people who have different lived experiences and different skills. And there are there's amazing power in these moments. I also want to talk about the idea. I wanted to highlight the idea that I didn't have any expertise. I was new to academic medicine. I had done zero programming. And I still could find people to support me and make this happen. So don't limit yourself by your expertise. Don't think I don't know how to do that. It's not my field. Therefore I can't. And finally bring your creativity to problem solving. One of the reasons I thought about the absence of things I think is because of my history with dyslexia. And sort of my own experiences in different communities. And so I want to encourage all of you to sort of take this as we go forward. And I wanted to leave time for questions. So thank you so much.


Dr. Jason Bung was so good in our episode of Target Cancer Podcast, I actually had to ask him for the first time ever to come back for a second episode. In this episode of Target Cancer Podcast, we talk about how insulin and insulin resistance may be the key reason for cancer and what we can do even if we have diabetes to fix and mitigate that. Are we doing everything wrong? Because remember, as he points out, insulin is a growth factor and what do cancer cells do? Grow. What does cancer mean? And he talks about populations where insulin resistance or adding insulin is not a thing and what the cancer rates look like there, if at all for several cancer types. Check it out again on this very interesting episode with well-known author of the cancer code, the obesity code, and the diabetes code, Dr. Jason Thum.