From Midtown Manhattan, it's theCUBE. Covering Big Data, New York City, 2017. Brought to you by SiliconANGLE Media and its ecosystem sponsors. Okay, welcome back everyone here live in New York City. This is theCUBE's special presentation of our annual event with theCUBE and Wikibon research called Big Data NYC. It's our own event that we have every year celebrating what's going on in the Big Data world now. It's evolving to all data, cloud, applications, AI, you name it, it's happening. In the enterprise, the impact is huge. For developers, the impact is huge. I'm John Furrier, cohost of theCUBE with Peter Burris, head of research at the Langel Media and General Manager of Wikibon Research. Our next guest is Jagane Sundar, who's a CTO of WAN, Disco, CUBE alumni. Great to see you again as usual here on theCUBE. Thank you John, thank you Peter. It's great to be back on theCUBE. So we've been talking about the Big Data for many years, certainly with you guys and it's been a great evolution. I don't want to get into the whole backstory and the history we've covered that before, but right now is really, really important time. We see, you know, the hurricanes come through, we see the floods in Texas, we see in Florida and Puerto Rico now on the main conversation. You're seeing it, you're seeing disasters happen. Disaster recovery has been low hanging fruit for you guys. We talked about this when New York City got flooded years and years ago. This is a huge issue for IT because they have to have disaster recovery. But now it's moving more beyond just disaster recovery. It's cloud. Yes. What's the update from WAN Disco? You guys have a unique perspective on this. Yes, absolutely. So we have capabilities to replicate between the cloud and Hadoop multi data centers across GEOs, so disasters are not a problem for us. And we have some unique technologies we use. One of the things we do is we can replicate in an active, active mode between different cloud vendors, between cloud and on-prem Hadoop. And we are the only game in town. Nobody else can do that. So you're the, okay, let me just stop right there. When you say the only game in town, I got to get a little skeptic here. Are you saying that nobody does active, active replication on at all? That is exactly what I'm saying. We had some wonderful announcements from Hortonworks. They have a great product called the Data Plane. But if you dig deep, you'll find that it's actually an active, passive architecture. Because to do active, active, you need this capability called the PAXOS algorithm for resolving conflict. That's a very hard algorithm to implement. We have over 10 years experience in that. That's what gives us our ability to do this active, active replication between clouds, between on-prem and cloud. All right, so just to take that step further, I know we're having a CTO conversation, but the classic cliche is skate to where the puck is going to be. So you kind of didn't just decide one more and you're going to be the active, active or cloud. You kind of backed into this, the world spun in your direction. The puck came to you guys. Is that a fair statement? That is a very fair statement. We've always known that there's tremendous value in this technology we own and with the global infrastructure trends, we knew that this was coming. It wasn't called the cloud when we started off, but that's exactly what it is now and we're benefiting from it. And the cloud is just a data center. It's just, you don't own it. As soon as we spin this on the cue, Peter, what's your reaction to this? Because when he says only game in town implies some scarcity. Well, it's when disco has a patents and it's actually a very interesting technology and if I can summarize very quickly, you do continuous replication based on rights that are performed against the database so that you can have two writers and two separate databases and you guarantee that they will be made, they will be synchronized at some point in time because you guarantee that the writing of the logs and the messaging to both locations in order, which is a big issue that you guys put a stamp on stuff and it actually writes to the different locations with order guaranteed. And that's not the way most replication software works. Yes, that's exactly right. That's very hard to do. And that's the only way for you to allow your clients in different data centers to write to the same data store, whether it's a database, a Hadoop folder, whether it's a bucket in a cloud object store, it doesn't matter. The core fact remains, the Paxus algorithm is the only way for you to do active, active replication and ours is the only Paxus implementation that can work over the- And that's patented by you guys. Yes, it's patented. And so someone to replicate that, they'd have to essentially reverse engineer and have a little twist on it to not get around the patents. Are you licensing the technology or are you guys ordering it for yourselves? We have different ways of engaging with partners. We are very reasonable with that and we work with several powerful partners. To you partner with the technology. But the key thing, John, and answer your question is that it's unassailable. There's no argument that is companies move more towards a digital way of doing things, largely driven by what customers want. Your data becomes more of an asset. As your data becomes more of an asset, you make money by using that data in more places, more applications and more times. That is possible with data, but the problem you end up with is consistency issues. And for certain applications, it's not an issue. You're basically writing or if you're basically reading data, it's not an issue. But the minute that you're trying to write on behalf of a particular business event or a particular value proposition, then now you have a challenge. You are limited in how you can do it unless you have this kind of a technology. And so this notion of continuous replication in a world that's going to become increasingly dependent upon data, data that is increasingly distributed, data that you want to ensure has common governance and policy in place. Technologies like what Wendisco provides are going to be increasingly important to the overall way that a business organizes itself, institutes its work, and make sure it takes care of its data assets. Okay, so my next question then, thanks for the clarification, that's good input there. And thanks for summarizing it like that because I couldn't have done that. But when we last talked, I was enamored by the fact that you guys have the data center replication thing down. And I always saw that as a great thing for you guys. Okay, I get that. That's an on-premise situation. You have active-active, good for disaster recovery. A lot of use cases, people should be, you know, beating down your door because you have the better mousetrap, I get that. Now how does that translate to the cloud? So take me through why the cloud now fits nicely with that same paradigm. So I mean, these are industry trends, right? What we've found is that the cloud object stores are very, very cost-effective and efficient. So customers are moving towards that. They're using their Hadoop applications but on cloud object stores. Now it's trivial for us to add plugins that enable us to replicate between a cloud object store on one side and a Hadoop on the other side. It could also be another cloud object store from a different cloud provider on the other side. Once you have that capability, now customers are freed from, lock-in from either a cloud vendor or a Hadoop vendor. And they love that. They're looking at it as another way to leverage their data assets. And we enable them to do that without fear of lock-in from any of these vendors. So on the cloud side, the regions are always been a big thing. We've heard Amazon have a region down here and they would fix it. We saw VMworld push their VMware solution to only one Western region. What's the geo landscape look like with the cloud? Does that relate to anything in your tech? So yes, it does relate. And one of the things that people forget is that when you create an Amazon S3 bucket, for example, you specify a region. Well, but this is the cloud, isn't it? Worldwide, it turns out that the object store actually resides in one region. And you can use some shaky technologies like cross-region replication to eventually get the data to the other region. But if you use- Which just boosts the price as you pay. Yeah, not just boosts the price. Well, they try to save price rather than they're exposed on reliability. Reliability. Exactly, you don't know when the data's going to be there. There are no guarantees. What we offer is take your cloud storage, but we'll guarantee that we can replicate it in a synchronous fashion to another region. Could be the same provider, could be another provider. That gives tremendous benefits to the customers. So do you actually have a guarantee when you go to customers to say we have an SLA guarantee? Yes, absolutely.  What's the guarantee? So the guarantees are, you know, we are willing to back it up with contracts and such like and our customers put us through rigorous testing procedures naturally. But we stand up to every one of those. We can scale and maintain the consistency guarantees that they need for modern businesses. Okay, so take me through the benefits. Who wants this? Because almost, you can almost get kind of sucked into the complexities of it and the nuances of cloud and everything. As Peter laid out, it's pretty complex even as he simplified it. Who buys this? I mean, who's the guy? Is it the IT department? Is it the ops guys? Is it facilities? So we sell to the IT departments. They absolutely love the technology. But to go back to your initial statement, we have all these disasters happening. Hopefully people are all doing reasonably okay at the end of these horrible disasters. But if you're an enterprise of any size, it doesn't have to be a big enterprise. You cannot go back to your users or customers and say that because of a hurricane, you cannot have access to your data. That's sometimes legally not allowed. And other times it's just suicide for business. I mean, HPE in Houston has a huge plant down there. They got hit hard. Yes, in those sort of circumstances, you want to make sure that your data is available in multiple data centers spread throughout the world and we give you that capability. Okay, what are some of the successes? Let's talk through now. Obviously you've got the technology, I get that. Where's the stakes in the ground? Who's adopting it? I know you do a lot of biz dev deals. Kind of know if they're actually OEM type deals or they're just licensing deals. Take us through to where your successes are with this technology. So biz dev wise, we have a mix of OEM deals and licenses and co-selling agreements. The strong ones are all OEMs. Of course, we have great partnerships with IBM, Amazon, Microsoft, just wonderful partnerships. The actual end customers, we started off selling mostly to the financial industry because they have legal mandates. So they were the first to look into this sort of a thing. But now we've expanded into automobile companies. A lot of the auto companies are generating vast amounts of data from their cars and you can't push all the data into a single data center that's just not reasonable. You want to push that data into a single data store that's distributed across the world in just wherever the car is closest to. We offer that capability that nobody else can. So we've got big auto manufacturers signed up. We've got big retailers signed up for exactly the same capability. You cannot imagine ingesting all that data into a single location. You want this replicated across. You want it available no matter what happens to any single region or a data center. So we've had tremendous success in retail banking and a lot of this is through partnerships again. Well congratulations. I got to ask, what's new with you guys? So you have success with the Rep Active Active? We'll dig into the Hortonworks things to check your comment around it. They're not having it. So we'll certainly, we'll, the data plan, which we like. We interviewed Rob Bearden. Love the announcement, but if they don't have the Active Active, we'll have to document that. I don't get that on the record. But you guys are doing well. What's new here? What's in New York? What are some of your wins? Can you just give a quick update on what's going on with WAN Disco? Okay, so quick recap. We love the Hortonworks data plan as well. We think that we can build value into that ecosystem by building a plugin for them. And we love the whole technology. I have wonderful friends there as well. As for our own company, we see all of our, a lot of our business coming from cloud and hybrid environments. It's just the reality of the situation. You had, you know, 20 years ago, you had NFS, which was the great appender of all storage, but turned out to be very expensive. And you had 10 years, seven years ago, you had HDFS come along. And that appended the cost model of NFS and SANS, which those industries are still working their way through. Now we have cloud object stores, which have appended the HDFS model. It's much more cost efficient to operate using cloud object stores. So we will be there. We have replication products for that. And you're in the major clouds. Are you in Azure? Yes, we are in Azure. Google? Yes, absolutely. AWS? AWS. Oracle? Oracle, of course. We're in all of them. All right, so here's the next question is, is that? And you're also in IBM stuff too. Yes, we're a bit of a pipeline. You've got a pretty strong legacy. You've got a monopoly. The mainframe. Like the fiber channel of replication. You get, that is a bad analogy. Yes it is. I mean, fiber channel is only limited suppliers because they had unique technology was highly important. But the basic proposition, the basic proposition is, look, any customer that wants to ensure that a particular data source is going to be available in a distributed way and you're going to have some degree of consistency is going to look at this as an option. Yes. Well you guys certainly got a great team and your leadership has got great tech. The final question I have for you here is, we've had many conversations about the industry. We like to pontificate. I'll certainly like to speculate. But now we have eight years of history now in the big data world. We look back, we're doing our own event in New York City thanks to great support from you guys and other great friends in the community. Appreciate everyone out there supporting theCUBE. It's awesome. But the world's changed. So I got to ask you. You're a student of the industry. I know that knowing you personally. What's been the success formula that keeps the winners around today and what do people need to do going forward? Because we've seen a trainwreck. We've seen the dead bodies in the industry. We've kind of seen what's happened. There's been some survivors. Yes. Why did the current list of characters and companies survive? And what's the winning formula in your opinion to stay relevant as big data grows in a huge way from IoT to AI, cloud, everything in between? I'll quote Stephen Hawking in this. Intelligence is the capability to adapt to changes. That's what keeps industries. That's what keeps companies. That's what keeps executives around. If you can adapt to change, if you can see things coming and adapt your core values, your core technology to that, you can offer customers a value proposition that's going to last a long time. And in a big data space, what is that adaptive key focus? What should they be focused on? I think at this point, it's extracting information from this volume of data. Whether you use machine learning in the modern days or whether it was simple, hive queries, that's the value proposition. And making sure the data's available everywhere so you can do that processing on it. That remains the- The whole concept of digital business suggests that increasingly we're going to see our assets rendered in some form as data. And we want to be able to ensure that that data is able to be where it needs to be, when it needs to be there for any number of reasons. It's a very, very interesting world we're entering. Peter, I think you have a good grasp on this. And I love the narrative of the real time, programming the world in real time. What's the phrase you use? It's real time, but it's the programming the world. Well, programming the real world. Yeah, programming the real world. That's a huge, I mean, something completely, it's not a tech, it's not a speed or feed. Well, the way we think about it is that we look at, we look at IoT as a big information transducer. Where information's in one form and then you turn it into another form to do different kinds of work. And that big data's a crucial feature in how you take data from one form and turn it into another form so that it can perform work. But then you have to be able to turn that around and have it perform work back in the real world. There's a lot of new development, a lot of new technology that's coming on to help us do that. But anyway, you look at it, we're going to have to move data with some degree of consistency. We're still going to have to worry about, making sure that if our policy says that that action needs to take place there and that action needs to take place there, that it actually happens the way we wanted it. And it wanted to. And that's going to require a whole raft of new technologies. We're just at the very beginning of this. And active, active, things like active, active. What you're talking about really is about value creation. Well, the thing that makes active, active, interesting is again, borrowing from your terms, it's a new term to both of us I think today. I like it actually. But the thing that makes it interesting is the idea that you can have a source here that is writing things. And you can have a source over there that are writing things. And as a consequence, you can nonetheless look at a distributed database and keep it consistent. And that is a major, major challenge that's going to become increasingly a fundamental feature of our digital business as well. It's an enabling technology for the value creation as you call it work. Yeah, that's right. Transformational work. So again, congratulations on the active, active, and when this goes to technology and all your deals you're doing, got all the cloud locked up. What's next? We're also going to lock up the edge. You know, look at the edge too, the cloud. We do like this notion of the edge cloud and all the intermediate steps. We think that replicating data between those systems or running consistent compute across the systems is an interesting problem for us to solve. We've got all the ingredients to solve that problem. We will be on that. Jageen Sundar, CTO of WAN, Disco, back on theCUBE, breaking it down. New tech, whole new generation of modern apps and infrastructure happening and distributed and decentralized networks. Of course theCUBE got it covered for you. There are more live coverage here when New York City, for Big Data NYC, our annual event, CUBE and Wikibon here in Hell's Kitchen in Manhattan. More live coverage after the short break.


Hello and welcome to the session. In this session we discussed the following question which says prove that sin inverse of 4 upon 5 plus sin inverse of 5 upon 13 plus sin inverse of 16 upon 65 is equal to pi by 2. Before we move on to the solution let's recall the results. Cos square x plus x is equal to 1 and cos of x plus y is equal to cos x into cos y minus sin x into sin y. This is the key idea that we use for this question. Let's proceed with the solution now. We have to prove sin inverse of 4 upon 5 plus sin inverse of 5 upon 13 plus sin inverse of 16 upon 65 is equal to pi by 2. This is what we are supposed to prove. First of all we take that x be equal to sin inverse of 4 upon 5. This gives us sin x is equal to 4 upon 5. Then we take let y be equal to sin inverse of 5 upon 13. This gives us sin y is equal to 5 upon 13. Now that we have got the values for sin x and sin y we find the values of cos x and cos y. Now we know that cos square x plus sin x is equal to 1. This means is equal to square root of 1 minus sin square x. Now putting the value for sin x as 4 upon 5 we get cos x is equal to square root of 1 minus 4 upon 5 the whole square. Which gives us cos x is equal to square root of 1 minus 16 upon 25 that is we get cos x is equal to square root of 25 minus 16 upon 25. This gives us cos x is equal to square root of 9 by 25. And this gives us cos x equal to 3 upon 5. Now similarly we get cos y is equal to square root of 1 minus sin square y. Now putting the value of sin y as 5 upon 13 we get cos y is equal to square root of 1 minus 5 upon 13 the whole square. Further cos y is equal to square root of 1 minus 25 upon 169 that is we have cos y is equal to square root of 169 minus 25 upon 169. Which gives us cos y is equal to square root of 144 upon 169 which means we have cos y is equal to 12 upon 13. This is the value for cos y. Now let's find out cos of x plus y which is equal to cos x into cos y minus sin x into sin y. Let's substitute the respective values. So we get cos of x plus y is equal to now the value for cos x is 3 upon 5. So this is equal to 3 upon 5 into cos y which is 12 upon 13 minus sin x. And the value for sin x is 4 upon 5 and value for sin y is 5 upon 13. So we have 4 upon 5 multiplied by 5 upon 13. Now this 5 and 5 gets cancelled and further we get cos of x plus y is equal to 36 upon 65 minus 4 upon 13 that is we get cos of x plus y is equal to 36 minus 20 upon 65. Now cos of x plus y is equal to 16 upon 65 or you can say we have x plus y is equal to cos inverse of 16 upon 65. Now earlier we had assumed x as sin inverse of 4 upon 5 and y as sin inverse of 5 upon 13. So we put the values of x plus y in this. So we get sin inverse of 4 upon 5 plus sin inverse of 5 upon 13 is equal to cos inverse of 16 upon 65. Now further we write this cos inverse in terms of sin inverse so we get sin inverse of 4 upon 5 plus sin inverse of 5 upon 13 is equal to pi by 2 minus sin inverse of 16 upon 65. Or you can say we get sin inverse of 4 upon 5 plus sin inverse of 5 upon 13 plus sin inverse of 16 upon 65 is equal to pi by 2. That is we have shifted this term to the left hand side so we get this and this is what we were supposed to prove so hence proved this completes the session hope you have understood the solution of this question.


TLO was poppin We are on kick KIC K.com. We are not live, but you could even like comment Turn on your post notification bells. Let's continue to grow the family from Chicago to the UK Right above me man, this is the channel where you can catch any of the Highlights from the live if we go live and you miss it. Don't forget. We do got merch And we also got patreon five days a week and Monday through Friday if we miss a day we go Saturday All of this can be found in the description below of this video You know I'm saying just click more right See where it's more right here You can do that on mine, too And it's gonna say a link tree click it and then everything will pop up This is Your name Koleon nor nor Former British cop exposes the truth about guns in the UK CMP number 16. I didn't have this in my as y'all can see I'm trying to get through my Watch later list It's almost done. I had to clear some stuff, but you know Let's get into this man who don't know what your background is can you kind of just kind of My god My first straight into it Actually when I was a teenager I was part of what Let's let's jump right into it. Um, it's been a long time All of me for seeing live show and you came on in as a guest and we did 15 15-minute segment 10 10 minute segment of sorts might be a little bit longer.  I still get some people come up to me over there and go. Oh my god Yeah a long time ago, yeah, yeah But you know, I wanted to have you Hit that like button and subscribe, you know how to do never seen this dude. I've seen him on like Like shorts like shorts, I think shooting, but I never knew he had like this large of a platform back on largely Because of your background for people who don't know what your background is can you kind of just kind of do a quick Deep-sea dive into that it was Okay, okay as quick as I'll try to paraphrase my skin obviously my accent kind of gives a lot of it away I'm from England the United Kingdom and My first introduction to firearms is actually when I was a teenager. I was part of what's called the combined cadet force, which is a We just watched the cadet force video Ministry of Defense run kind of Boy Scouts thing But it kind of challenged Channels young people into either the Air Force the the Army or the Navy and basically you run around and it's a recruiting drive For the military, but one of those things is you get to use old firearms that they have there. So it was very Focus very very safe and I fired things like Lee Enfield 303s and crazy old guns like that and then After I after I left college. So I was about 18 years old I never touched a gun again because it's the United Kingdom and unless you have a specific reason for Having a firearm which lots people do so there's a lot of myths about the firearms access in okay Yeah, we're fun to get some clarification because I've been wondering for years Yeah, I've been waffling in the comments telling me this and that now we're gonna get the truth United Kingdom Unless you have a reason to have one, you know, people don't have them So I never touched one again until I was oh about 26 because by then I was in the police force. I joined the police at 23 and I joined the British police and You one of the directions you can go is to become an AFO and armed armed firearms officer authorized firearms officer and Then within those ranks, there are different levels and to cut along stories. That's crazy Growing up in Chicago. I touched my first gun at 15 And ever since then you know, I worked my way up to becoming a counter-terrorism SFO within the London Metropolitan Police. So we were trained in a variety of tactics with a variety of weapons platforms and Trying to very high standard and I was my total career within that was a little over 11 years And I became an instructor for them as well. So Operational deployments for diplomatic protection and royalty protection. We work things like the Olympics I was there for potus when he came over The Royal Wedding between William and Kate. So all those kind of events alongside regular crime within the Capitol You've been outside with the blip. Okay Major incidents by any kidnappings or that sort of stuff that goes on along with the counterterrorism operations, which Happened more frequently than people probably realize So that's my background within the world of firearms and how to use them operationally That's it. So when we talk about I want to kind of go back to the what you said about the kind of myths about there not being any guns Okay, so what type of guns generally speaking do most people who do have them have any shotguns farmers? So within the UK anybody can have a shotgun anybody at all you just have to apply now The way it works is you you have to submit an application that gets Checked out and it takes months. It's not like here. We just walk in and you know, you do a quick background check it takes months and You have to have a gun safe and you have to have an ammunition safe and they have to be separate Technically theoretically the police could come round at any time and check that you have these in place Realities are that they generally don't because they don't have time But the police have to have a reason to deny you of a shotgun license. Okay, so that would be like you're a criminal and typically the people that have them will have them for clay shooting or if they they live near a farm for kind of Pest control, you know that sort of thing, but most people are getting them for clays Just do that sort of thing, but it's still fairly fringe not many people do it You're kind of a bit odd if you have a shotgun unless you're a farmer Now are what when we say shotguns are we talking pumps and break-action or are you allowed to have a semi-autos like say for instance a Benelli No, no, you can have any kind of a side-by-side or over and under You could have a pump, but it's got to have the baffle in it that makes it only shoot three shots So that's one in a breach in between the magazine a semi-auto is a bit of a no-no Although the police, you know we had them No, no, no when it comes to rifle, sorry But I just want to talk about that real quick the police thing right because you know, this is this is conception The police in UK don't have don't they don't carry firearms, and I'm assuming there's certain branch of them that do and say yeah Yeah, aren't police scary And brands that don't so from an American contextual standpoint How does that work in relation to say for instance like your kind of traditional beat cop versus like swat so forth and so on Okay, so your traditional beat cop does not carry a gun full stop Um, I would say I don't have the exact numbers, but just kind of That's how it should be low key think about it man beat cop You know I'm saying and probably new to the force maybe not but you know beat cop You're not in it.  I would say 98% of cops are not armed within the UK And we use we used other tactics They do some of them will have tasers some of them will have incapacitant sprays, but usually it's it's just no firearms Then there are different tiers of armed officers. Uh, the most basic one As I said the AFOs, um authorized firearms officers Then you get ones who will split off into into all the different agencies So you've got immediate response vehicles. So they respond to spontaneous acts of violence It doesn't have to be a firearm. So it could be someone otherwise So dangerous as someone running around the street with an axe. They're gonna send firearms officers There's someone running around with explosives. They're gonna send firearms officers The trouble is there's a delay because they tend to go to the scene where things have already happened But sometimes, you know, they happen to be fairly nearby one of the most interesting things was The lessons learned in America from active shooters were very much taken on by the UK. So the The concept that if you happen to be an AFO and you happen to be currently armed and you're the closest Well, you're going in so if you were near a shopping mall or a school or any public place and there was an active shooter event It didn't matter what level of AFO you were you were expected to to go forward and to handle the threat. Um Because the the that makes sense. You have a gun there's a responsibility to protect the guys that do all the training The SFOs, which was what I ended up as it would take us even longer to get there because we were like the SWAT guys who would come in now if it was a pre-planned event So we thought it might be so for example at a wedding or something like that then then we were Well, we were basically a qrf We're a quick reaction force who were just around the corner and we would be there to rush in on a number of deployment strategies because being the capital it's hard to move around So we would use things like motorcycles or Or or cars or you know, whatever we had other ways to get around because we've got the Thames We had boats we had all sorts of things So it was fun Yeah, no, it's it's Man When I think about the uk and then this is constant comparison from a From a gun control standpoint one thing for sure. It's a different culture. Just it's completely different. Yeah, it's it's it's not apples for apples It's very different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's night and day I even see it in the comments all the time like the comments of this video is going to be night and day Um, and I think to have to have to try to have that conversation or to make that kind of Comparison honestly is a little disingenuous when you don't if you don't absolutely in fact, it's a different culture Um, that's I try to explain that to people all the time here. I'm like, yeah No, it's not the same. So I mean from your experience. So what is what is your take from Being in uk and then coming over now here to america and doing in living here and being amongst our culture Especially when it comes to firearms and so forth and so on what's what's your perspective? Especially through the eyes of an officer okay, so It it's it's a very complicated issue, but it's actually quite simple to kind of conceptualize. So In the uk for many many many years There was a very strict gun control system set up where you know, like I explained with a shotgun Anybody could have a shotgun, but you had to go through a lengthy licensing procedure Anybody can have a rifle as well when I say a rifle.  We're not talking like a our pattern type. No, no Now you used to be able to have those up until one instant of active shooter in the 1970s or that we covered that No, the 80s changed all the gun laws and then they yeah, they banned those um, but you can still have powerful firearms powerful rifles You just have to have a reason for using and a place that is um, audited by the police as as appropriate for that use Nobody can own a pistol unless curiously you Permanently weld a suppressor onto it because in the uk I know in the uk a rifle is defined by the barrel length So if you permanently TIG weld a suppressor it's a rifle So they have three gun competitions, but everyone's running around with suppressed pistols Oh Okay So technically would be the same because yeah, because you can't have suppressors here The process to get the handgun in it up itself is it's just as tedious if not more than us suppressors here I guess so more. So yeah more. So it's it's and and I'm not talking Glocks, I mean, we're talking like ruga, um, you know mark fours Anywho the process in the uk is everybody and everybody everybody and anybody who has legal possession of a firearm has a They're on a central computer database like a It's a national one so If you were stopped driving a motor vehicle it flags up This person is a firearms owner just automatically. Okay, well, so now americans like oh my god, but That's that's just the way is in uk. So all the legally held firearms are accounted for Not gonna lie. That makes perfect sense Well, I'm not talking about the illegally held firearms or which there are many But all the legally held firearms I'm sure we'll get to that Oh, yeah So so so when They had a recall so for example when they had the the gentleman who ran around with an ak Shot lots of people and the government said, okay, we're not gonna allow those They just wrote to everybody who had military style firearms and said you've got three months to hand them in And that was it boom all done What you mean? I got three months to hand them in Am I getting compensation? I need the money back So I'll do it, but I need the money back Because most of the things they it's like oh no, they're never going to go door to door And I've always I've always made the argument. I said they don't have to No, they don't have to no, but they just write to you and say yeah, if they have a database They just write and say hey, you know, and if you don't hand it in and you don't have a receipt Okay, well now you're a criminal So in america, I say that the problem well not the problem But the issue is that the genies out the bottle the guns are out And people have them legitimately legally And there is no database So if you were to conceptually say, okay, you know, we're gonna ban there is no database. There's no way you can you know what I'm saying AR the 15s well Especially in florida how And that's the simple question. How would you do that? How how would you practice? Well, we would just make them illegal Okay, but how are you going to get them? How are you physically going to find out who has them where they are?  I know America they're gonna take that as an act of civil war or something So, you know, let's be honest the the whole american culture was based upon um The common man forming militias and rising up against the british It's ingrained in that in that um In in that mindset and I try to explain to people as well a lot of people they forget their history like it I'm not talking hundreds of years ago.  And if you say you don't I challenge you to walk around like the wilderness here And when you come across one of those big pigs running around You you want something even if it's just to make noise if it's not the same Hold on now Like a bore That'd be in the uk them videos. I'd be seeing y'all got boars out there Y'all don't got a lot of other animals, but y'all got boars. That's dangerous Culture, you know in in England. We don't have huge pigs. We don't have wolves. We don't have beds.  We don't have the wilson. We also we don't have bloods and crypts We don't have Allegedly We don't have those issues now now we do have gangs and we do have armed criminality But in the uk the armed criminality are kind of a little bit savvy They they shoot each other with great regularity, but they don't shoot innocence because that brings a lot of heat So there are near daily shootings in the capital. You just don't hear about them. That's I try tell them. I man.  Whereas a lot of other countries are not I'm not even gonna lie um, I wouldn't believe what he was saying and unless I was unless I'm who I am, you know I'm saying I watch scar city videos every day almost So every day he got a shooting going there. So he ain't lying As liberal with the information that they give out to the world with respect to their dirt No, it's not it's not just being liberal. It's just our city. They just don't talk about it. So I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you about a thing now, which isn't a secret. So I'm not I'm not breaching any laws There is an an ongoing task force in the capital that's called operation trident. You might like to look it up. I don't know The raison d'etre for operation trident is to tackle black on black shootings That's it. That's great. That's all they do. That's all they do. That's full time I'd know about trident, but I didn't know that was the only Like I didn't know black on black was the thing I thought it was just like I'm criminal versus I'm criminal. I didn't know it was And they were one of the biggest service like that was one of the biggest things I did Was run around the capital taking guns from young black men who were trying to shoot each other Because the same problems in in america are the same problems in the united kingdom And I'm not and it's all to do with societal inequalities. It's all to do with upbringing. It's all to do with a lack of opportunities and that kind of You know When you get into the communities and you work with these young people And you build them up and you you you set them up for success They become successful.  You know what I'm saying? Literally and they're thinking well How am I gonna make money And then they look at their buddy. He's driving a nice BMW or an Audi and they're like I want that I want that. Yeah might rob your buddy And so anyways that There is a lot of uncriminality in england. It just it just doesn't get reported. I mean, I actually saw recently I mean, this was probably yesterday and that's why people think that england is sweet Man, ain't that going on in england? I'm from just going over here. No, no, they just don't be reporting See, I didn't know they didn't report which is wild People need to know, you know what I'm saying? But It makes sense And also his comment about Gangs only shooting gang members not civilians. Hmm Maybe it's not that common of a thing, but I beg to differ like coming from Chicago. Yes civilians are always civilians are never really civilians, but they're always Now, let me rephrase that civilians are civilians, but our civilians are also strapped in Chicago. They have Legal firearms to defend themselves. So in Chicago, you walking around with a different mindset like Man, I ain't from a bother dude, man. He probably got one on him too. Like I ain't But here it's like Like it's probably seldom that it happens But the way look music be talking about it. Yeah, I wish I had the best I kept the video, but I literally saw like it was basically Guys running around with knives chasing another guy trying to stab him Um, he's talking about the sj video Yeah, um, yeah, and it looked so eerily similar to what you would see in South Side Chicago except they were using Not I'm gonna keep it real with you that comment like that doesn't happen on it. So that doesn't happen Like he just laid it out like that. It don't happen Like we don't see somebody chasing down or Chicago. They don't see nobody like it's more like a setup Like it's backdoor you getting backdoor by this person You getting set up by this person now you're in a situation type situation But that uh like it doesn't see it I don't know. Um, we're in South Side Chicago or other places like is he from the rock? Where you from? Get they'd be using firearms Um, and you know and I always say it it's like it's it's it's it's gonna be a culture problem And then the culture is largely driven from the environment that the vast majority's people are living in Now don't get me wrong if Yes, he is like there is that does happen like not that much no more like You know spinning blocks trying to get the back in blood, you know what I'm saying? Let me spin. Let me try to find my helps if you happen to see him. Okay, boom bow Let's like it do happen, but like I just felt like he just said it like it was an everyday Maybe it's maybe because I'm from there that I'm trying to downplay it but Maybe I don't mind. You know, I always make the announcement. Yeah, it's like you don't see Well to do black kids and the suburbs doing drive-bys and Mercedes-Benz's and BMW's you just don't see it Um, but it's a lot easier now. They in the crib doing class a's Of their parents fine china or hyper focus on the item because I mean, I mean at some point Who else talks about banning certain knives in the uk am I correct? Uh, that's not let's not talk of it. That is a thing. Yeah You yeah, you you can't earn you can't own certain types of knife. Um now Which is cat because the most commonly used knife is a kitchen knife Can't ban a kitchen knife or screwdriver can't ban tools It's just to put that into context. Um If you were to walk around the streets of london, um, what would you be doing or where would you be? That the police would randomly stop and search you Um, that's kind of yeah, but if so You could carry so like my my uncle. This is a bad story My uncle who came to visit from trinidad half my family are from the caribbean and he came To visit me and as a gift.  I don't I what? Locking blade I forget the brand but A great knife very illegal. You can't have it. So I was like, let me just Yeah, let me just move along with that.  That's that's it. So it has to it can't be a locking blade It can't be more than three inches in length. Um, you can't carry big swords and machetes around or anything like that Yes, yeah Yeah, but and and and even if you do carry knife, you kind of have to have a reason for it So like if you were carrying a box cutter Now if you were going to Okay, when he says that the first thing that comes to my mind my reason for carrying it is for protection. I'm in london I need protection. I'm from like me personally. You stop me and I'm in london and I got it on me. I'm It's for protection Don't I have to have a reason I'm not from here. I just want to be protected. I hear the stories Is that good enough? And from work and you had a box cutter and you said a lot of work in a warehouse They'd be like, okay fine, but if you're if you're out Eight o'clock Friday night in in a clubbing area and you've got a box cutter. You will be arrested For carrying a box cutter because that is There was a time when they were really popular what they would do They would put two blades in the box cutters and put a penny in between the blades So now you've got two thin blades and when you slash somebody you can't stitch it up. You see it leaves a bad scar So so so the young violent never heard of that that that see the uk move of wow That's wild and diabolical I'm even gonna hold you. That's very diabolical. People are very creative with their knife work That's dig a D. That's dig a D type energy Who else is that that's Because that's what they have easily accessible. Yeah, they yeah, no, it's it's pretty nutty man but I mean but again like you get the similarities between America and in the uk in terms of just the kind of inherent Culture so to speak in terms of where the vast majority of the violence is coming from Generally speaking coming from very very specific You're the guy with He got his own commercial on his own video Hey This dude is moving aggressively great You know, I'm saying That's different. I'm gonna make me a commercial Areas and I'm assuming in those areas just like in America everyone in inner city is in violent No, no, not at all. No, but There's a minority people I'm assuming Same in the uk that are responsible for the vast majority of the violence Absolutely, and particularly in the capital what's interesting is is they those groups will form along um either Ethnic lines or racial lines or just where they happen to live lines. So you get a postcode of gangs Which is nothing more than just luck as the way you grow up, you know, it's just Then you've got um, you've got the more organized gangs. You've got the russian gangs the turkish gangs the chinese gangs The homegrown british gangs And they all kind of Hold on man. You gotta talk about the helbanians the albanians, too Well, they're up there with the more organized Vi for territory and they do their thing, but they kind of keep they're kind of weird They kind of keep themselves themselves They just you know, they're very violent within their own little circles that they don't yeah They doesn't bleed out anywhere And then of course we've got you know, we've got the terrorist things that go on obviously all the time Which is an issue, but I mean, I mean there is a there's also that dynamic that I mean you guys You don't have a massive body of water to the degree that we do Separating us from pretty much the rest of the world, right? There's there's that border issue where it's easily to it's easy to cross borders to and fro Generally speaking And so you kind of get that which is weird because you kind of also get like you just pointed out There's a multicultural aspect to it That's also very similar to what we have here in the us. Yeah. Yeah And so now in your time, I'm going to kind of go into like gun gun geek mode a little bit here Sure What was what was largely the platform of choice when you were when you were kind of out doing your thing So I spent the majority of my time undercover And my my go-to was a glock 19. Oh, okay I didn't expect that I thought something else Yep, I I've put tens of thousands of rounds through a glock 19 in training I also had a 17 and a 26 which would depend purely upon so the 17 I tend to use like I wish I had some photos to show you maybe I had a seven.  Yeah, but um I've gotten amusing one of me in the basement of buckingham palace actually Where I've got a ridiculous loadout because they wanted me to do multiple roles And I'm just standing there with all this gear thinking I'm I'm I'm operationally ineffective here because I've got so much kit Then anyway, um the the the 17 was typically on a drop leg Which I would use in in when we're wearing the coveralls The 19 or the 26 was what I would have if I was um covertly deployed and then when it came to the carbine It was either going to be an mp5 Or we had the sig variant or an mp4 of uh AR 15 so we yeah, we would use And then m4 variant which was a sig one. I think it's five one six Chicago AR's are popular AR as many drakes Um, now we had other things as well available. Um, I I liked the remington 870 shotgun because of its simplicity We did have the binellis. Um, I just preferred the the remington Legal usage because my role was a breacher. So I would be taking out the hinges Or shooting out the tires. I shot a lot of cars in the u.s. Yeah Let's talk about that Let's talk about that. Oh so You don't you don't hear that often right because and it sounds very movie-esque, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, so so so what would happen is if so For example, if you've got a kidnapped victim or just a major, you know a guy that's carrying a gun or There are bad people in the car. We need to stop that car So we would do vehicle tactics to bring it to a stop But of course they don't want to stop They're going to try and keep going now if they show any signs of trying to kind of force the way out We we had a dispersible round called a hat and round and they come in different flavors You get lead ones iron ones copper ones and basically it's just It's compressed lead powder in like a wax kind of thing to hold it in shape Essentially what happens is When you shoot a tire it will punch a hole in the tire It's just a little hole But then when it hits the wheel Now if it's an an iron wheel it it punches a hole in it about the a big and then it goes And disperses but if it's an alloy wheel it just cracks the wheel Okay, so it kind of splits the wheel in half and you get instant tire deflation And if it's an alloy wheel now the wheel won't even turn it gets all tied up in the rotors and all that kind of stuff So so and also the the tactical distraction it had because you've got the people in the car They're all trying to get out. They're like, uh, you know, we're rafty toughies We've just robbed a bank or whatever they've done Someone like me jumps out with a balaclava on with a pump action shotgun and go Shoot out one of their wheels run Because it's England and that doesn't happen But yeah, it does and we would um Yeah, it's it's not it's not a approved anti-personnel round That was always a matter of discussion as to if they pointed the gun at us and you happen to have it with you That would that would there be a few questions to answer if you shot someone with it Of course, it would be a nasty injury, but Yeah, I mean that's pretty freaking awesome if you ask me So what did that?  I do sound elite. I ain't never heard of that kind of round But found cool bringing you to America Well, um, uh, I met a girl and got married And then due to political personal financial reasons we moved over to the states and you kind of have to reinvent yourself Um, I came over with all these experiences and I became an NRA instructor I have um A training company that I do on the side, um, but it is just on the side because there are some And I hope I hope we get to talk about that a little bit later. There are some kind of training issues Not within us. Oh, yeah. So so First of all, it's gonna be absolutely clear. I'm a big support of the second amendment. I think I think it's fantastic However It does alarm me that many many people in fact the majority of people they they just kind of go out and get a gun And they've probably been shown how to load it and shoot it by a family member or a friend or something like that But they don't actually know How to use it but what state is this guy in? That will that will that's the next question like if you're in florida If you're in texas if you're in the south then that this this statements holds true but if you're up north like Up north like mid like chicago Uh Denver or anywhere up there like that's not true. You have to take a whole class With an instructor and everything Like you can get your void Now he I will tell you this there's something called a ford firearm identification card Uh or what is it firearms? Whatever it allows you to act on your second amendment and have a gun inside of your house And you don't need any training for that. No you do not And that's anywhere But if you want concealed carry you have to take a class You have to take a class you have to you know be firearm certified. You got to put in your hours at the range Okay, but if he's talking about just a void. Yes, he's good particularly Of course in a confrontational situation at the kind of rain how to use it particularly In a confrontational situation at the kind of ranges that confrontational situations actually occur in Which are really really close. It's not going to be 15 yards at the static target That's just going to stand there.   It's it's not going to happen. It's it's going to be up close personal Dirty scary as hell So it's kind of like martial arts versus MMA Yes, yeah, kind of although I would I would like MMA is better. It's kind of like I said martial arts. I'm talking like you're more You're more kind of yes. Yes. Yeah style of like say Prince of taekwondo things of that nature. Yeah Yeah, and then they step in a cage and they get their asses handed to them. Yeah. Yeah Which is sad but a bit but true For those watching i'm a fifth degree black belt and taekwondo so I can bash them all I know exactly what it feels like to step in a cage and I know I know it feels like I didn't know that that's really good Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah when they lock that cage and it's just you and a dude and a ref and you go Why am I here? What?  You know what? Let me just brush my teeth.  I have the broken eye socket to um That is so factual everybody has a plan until they get punched because a lot of people know how to throw punches and knows the Technique and know this and but have you ever took a punch? How's that chin to prove it? But anyway, um, I got punched in the face with gloves. So I mean for me Yeah It still hurts. It still hurts, but but regardless I I I do think there needs to be a And a a sensible discussion a debate a coming together Of of minds and I don't mean the extremes on either end. I mean sensible people that actually Yeah, I got jumped 30 on five They did put me in the hospital, but I never once got knocked never once fell asleep never once went to sleep We've taken all of that. You hear me? unfortunately Have something to offer and say how can we improve firearm safety? How can we make people more aware about the benefits? Of fire and ownership versus the drawbacks of fire and ownership and how you should be responsible in where you keep them like You know the tragedies we hear about where children get hold of guns And and I just I just want to face plant because I'm like, oh, that's just that just feeds into the Anti-gun narrative so so awfully because that individual has been irresponsible and there are existing very Comprehensive gun laws that legislate against that. We don't need to make anything else up It's already there in place. We just need to enforce it properly and educate people That's why it's important.  Don't don't don't y'all hear me on here talking. Don't think I'm not responsible You know I'm saying I am a very responsible gun owner um I have a like when I was in Chicago. I had a I had Well, my daughter wasn't born yet. She was very very small. She couldn't do anything but like I had a dresser next to me and had a lock Couldn't just go in there. You know I'm saying I also had a safe With all my other stuff in it was locked Now I'm not gonna lie to you until you it was unloaded No, it was loaded because one in the head as well because I lived in Chicago. I'm not getting ready You know I'm saying cocking that thing back is the life or death I'm ready already But now you know that I have a daughter and she's older. I wouldn't keep one in the head Just in case she happens to somehow Some way get into a safe or something like that. It's like I just wouldn't keep one one in the head anymore I'm in I'm in the same. I'm in kind of in the same realm from from standpoint when it comes to training right In a perfect world. I I'd make it absolutely mandatory to get training In a perfect world However, yeah, and I have firearms training as well Because we don't live in a perfect world because we do have political figures who are in positions of power who try to utilize Who try to utilize I tried to get um gun license I have them for it But I tried to get a carry a concealed carry in the city of Chicago and I had I took the class as I went through it twice actually And they denied me both times. They was no sir not you It was you cannot walk around with that thing on you you have too many violent crimes on your background Which now I can get one though because after seven years with no crimes you can go back and get one So I've been chilling for seven years Unobtainable My bad utilize a mandate as a way to further restrict people's ability to get firearms Um, I can't I can't be a proponent of that within the real world, right? Yeah, um, because I know how that'll be used but And I always say this in my videos like I absolutely believe There's absolutely no reason why you should get a firearm and not get some type of training above and beyond just understanding the basic mechanics I agree. That's that's that's me personally. Yeah, and that's exactly how I feel. Yeah I I I always say, um, I would take somebody With a 300 gun like I if if I gave you a high point, um, what are What's that one they've got I nearly bought one because it's so funny. Um the yeet cannon. Yeah Okay Bro is talking about a yeet cannon and a high point if you get into a shootout with either one of them you're going to Be unalived That thing on jam I mean, I guess it's all about trigger control, but like still I don't know Yeah, I would take someone with a yeet cannon with a thousand dollars worth of training over somebody with the latest Uh sig x whatever With no training. Yeah Because the pistol with the yeet cannon is going to know what they're doing and they're going to be accurate We're going to be effective whereas I've got this great gun and do you know how to use it? I don't know It falls out. Yeah, it's no different than buying a supercar and Really honestly only driving it on the streets and never really maybe even worse than this because at least with a supercar You get the experience of continuously driving it down the street Um, whereas with the firearm generally speaking, you don't necessarily get that Um, but I think where it runs into a problem is because there's there's that political component, right? How I can just use a mishandled. Um, but then there's also the the financial Um, I know like for me, that's not that big of an issue and then plus I have the liberty because of Who I am within the space I can go and get the necessary types of training and even more so, right? Um, so I think there's there's that aspect of I'm not even gonna lie. I'm looking at bro's wall behind him He got at least 20 bands on that wall Maybe more that's very limiting and then you got the time component and and so forth and so on There are a lot of barriers, right that are naturally in place that prevent people from being able to get the training They should get that said This should be the heart of the conversation about firearms in the country It's figuring out how do we how do we create an environment that allows people to be able to do and get the necessary training that they should get The problem is when we have that conversation then all this other stuff is getting thrown into it band they are 15s and and Extended background checks that won't do anything so forth and so on. Um, yeah, it just confuses the point confuses the issue So I work in healthcare right now that that's but that you know, that that's how I pay the bills and I see a lot of people who having acute um mental issues acute psychological problems And you get people talking about oh if you've ever been uh under medical care for a psych issues, and they're like, whoa, whoa, time out time out time out Yeah, that's one of them That's one of them. I feel ain't it ain't that one like I gotta be like a major psychological issue I don't do that because a lot of these the majority of these people it's temporary They're going to have they're going through a rough time going through divorce. Um bereavement A job loss or something and or you start Making it so there are consequences like losing all their guns. They're not going to go and get the help they need Exactly. So so so those sort of conversations. It's it's it's like you say it's that um political side where We should just ban everyone who's had the psych issue. No, no, we shouldn't you don't need to it's not necessary Um, we need to we need to mandate that everybody has to have training Okay, will you do that and then that will be used then that will be weaponized Then that will be used to prevent the people being able to get but at the same time Like you i'm like everybody should be able to get what they want But I just personally really really strongly Urge you To get appropriate training so they and they would be disgusted with florida's new laws, man You don't need no license. You don't need no class. You don't need nothing All you need is an id in the state of florida to walk into Anywhere and grab something You don't need a void. You don't need a Carey could still you don't need zero hours of training. You could walk into the store and grab something And you know, this is a volatile state.  I'm not because I don't know enough about hunting. Yeah, but if you want to learn to fight with a gun up close Well, let's talk. Yeah No, and I mean I'm right I'm right there with you I mean that you can even say the same thing from a legal standpoint, right because you know I'm a member of uscca. Um and one of the biggest yeah, see yeah, I saw I didn't I didn't even know that And you know for me one of the biggest issues You know, I hear people talk all the time about certain scenarios and situations where they feel like they would Use a firearm to protect themselves and i'm kind of like that's a bit It's pretty good to be a member of that, you know, i'm saying especially if you carry this many weapons because they'll send a Rep out to reference hent you You know i'm saying in any case that goes on or whatever It's not gonna be as quick as you can be real careful. You have to be real careful Yeah, uh, but when you start getting this information and you actually start taking The thought process because one thing and I suffer from this too when I started carrying a firearm Um, I would always every every possible situation.  What if I don't see it coming? What if I'm not really sure if I can shoot or not That starts changing your perspective and your mindset about how you go into the real world when you carry a firearm So now you've already kind of your mind's already kind of gone there. So it's not the first time you're experiencing Things going completely bad and nothing going perfectly Welcome to life of a police officer. Yeah, welcome to the life of a Chicago You've what? You know saying no way Nothing's ever happening perfectly intricate. Like you could be walking down the street minding your business And you got to up that up up the skull all of a sudden You getting into a whole battle of firearms randomly It'd be Chicago's crazy. I'm not gonna sit here and like Say it's not It is especially if you from there living in the neighborhood That I like really like that Yeah, yeah and and though those kind of Funny little gray areas and and weirdness and it's not perfect. Um Like for example When when cops shoot someone in the back And everyone goes, oh my god, they shot them in the back. They're running away and it's like well, okay Well, this is how you get shot in the back like That's how you get shot in the back. Um, yeah, there's all and I'm not saying okay first off time out I'm not saying that all police officers Don't need to be looked at. I'm not saying their actions are impeccable every time. I'm not saying that there aren't bad apples um, but Most of the cops that I talk to now are extremely low in morale.  What about your mental health? What about the friends of? family that are gonna Stop being your friends and family because you're on that way murderer. I'm alive I'll take care of less if you start if I get into a situation I gotta up and I gotta produce a firearm to protect myself and I end up Unaliving somebody and you're not my friend because of it And I was simply defending myself In the city of Chicago like knowing all of that my back And you deciding not to be my friend you would never my friend. Anyway, you wanted to see me gone at the end of the day I could me personally I could care less if somebody not my friend because I'm Because I gotta am charged for defending myself me and my family like no way I could I really don't care And you asked how would I sleep? Yes, of course You'd have PTSD at the end of the day because of the entire situation But I wouldn't lose no sleep for nobody that tried to to take my life Like a baby What about me how you're gonna have to move house because The family of who they now know where you live. What about that? This is huge thing He right about that now you will have to move about that current house after that Little PTSD you're gonna be moving a lot different in public and things with that danger But I'm alive at the end of the day and I'm taking that as a blessing I mean I carry gun every day and I really don't want to use it No, that doesn't he's right. It doesn't change the facts like I rather not But you know living in Chicago like Like I'm really telling y'all like living in Chicago You bet like if you think you about to get into a one-on-one fistfight in Chicago I don't I don't You're not fit fight.  I have to use my gun and self-defense I'm gonna need therapy. I know that for a fact Because it's it's it's that it's just not something that you just want to do No, but nonetheless, there are there are some there are a lot of people out there who don't really understand that No, and they're very gung-ho about it.  I'll draw my gun. I'll shoot them You're in a wal-mart parking lot. What'd you carry? I carry a I carry a 1911 and 45 acp.  They're like, no, I won't just proven. Oh god. Here we go It is it is a great gun. It is a great gun. I love 1911 personally now It's not what I would count. I like 1911's as well. They look all they look amazing I've I've Fired one at the range. I went through probably a hundred rounds in one, but It's cool. It's cool, man. I think they're single stack I'm not really with the single stack. I like the double stack. I need 17 18 bullets in mind. I'm not even gonna lie 33 really talking about it, but it is a great guy No, and I mean I'm truth be told and I'm gonna get a lot of money for this I'm all I'm I'm more I'm leaning more towards the side of give me a 1911 in nine millimeter More so than in 45 that Because it's got the nice heavy slide. You got those those four up shots. You get more rounds in there That's that's a great great platform. It's it's a good platform with a better round because the nine mil plus p Is performs just as well as a 45. Yes, it does. You can look it up Um I mean, no, I tell people that all the time. I was like they're asking me like why do you carry nine? I'm like because with the advances we have in bullet technology I mean, we're they're often the differences are margin. If not exactly the same um, yeah, and so for me my first ever My first ever firearm legal uh was a glock seven glock 30 sf. Well, that's a 45 acp. So Compared to the other ones that I start getting later I haven't go use the 30 in a minute, man. I'm not even at the range. Like it's I'll be I like the nine better It's comfortable Me I'm just kind of like yeah, give me a nine I wasn't as many rounds as I can shoot fast and act and now I got a friend in florida like he used to live in um He used to stay in the sit in the suburbs of chicago He's a he's like a gun specialist He knows everything about every new bullet coming out. He knows everything. So it's like, okay Y'all gonna get them videos soon, man The lit one at the range, man yep, absolutely and This is kind of morbid but another offshoot of working in ems is um Is I get to see quite a few gunshot injuries and I get and I'm kind of I'm kind of a bit nerdy about it I kind of I can say, oh, that's interesting. Look at the path. Look at how that worked Or look at how this person has like been shot eight times and they're okay. Oh this person only got shot once Yeah, it's The only consistency I can really say it's if you're a little bit how can I put this politely bigger if there's more of you You seem to soak up rounds a bit better That makes sense though It was more of you there's more fat that it could possibly hit you can miss vital organs That's about the only thing I can say is like yeah, these people that are a bit more You know, I've never thought about that When you think about it, it makes sense. I guess it would be no different than You know, if I had a ton of clothing on or something of the sort, um, there's a lot of that's about the only consistency Yeah, but just the ballistic trajectory as it hits It I mean they go in sometimes they go in and out sometimes they go in and sometimes they go in hit a bone and cream off sometimes they go and hit a bone and shatter it sometimes Crazy stuff they get shot in the head it hits the skull goes around underneath The scalp comes out the other side and you think they've been shot in the head But they actually haven't they've just been shot around. I don't know how that happens. Um Weird stuff. They're very weird And almost always they're unfortunate sometimes amusing and when I say that it's the ones that kind of roll in Get kicked out of a car Flopping around and like what happened? I don't know who shot you. I don't know why no idea. He's like Come on. I don't care. I don't care. Just just tell me what happens so I can help I'm shot No, yeah, no, I totally get it man, but um, but you know, I mean There's this there's so much we can cover here. Um, oh we can go on and on all day Yeah, pretty much but perfect excuse to have you back on Yeah, absolutely. So since we can kind of um, um split it up, but essentially speaking. Yeah, I mean the main thrust is UK and the US. They're not the same They speak Kind of the same language Not really if we speaking I will say this I am thoroughly thoroughly impressed with the way you guys Are able to mimic the american accent because I oh, I can't it's difficult to mimic the UK accent is way easier. I feel for a UK person and mimic the american accent Do it at all. Really? Oh, I'm terrible. I'm terrible I'm just going, you know, maybe I'm just going off the actors and actresses probably. Yeah. Yeah, because they are good Yeah, they are good very good because half the time I'm like, I didn't know they were facts You know and it happens all the time. So um, I'll give you guys that I'll give you guys that Yeah, I've kind of modulated my accent. It's become flatter more neutral Like from, you know, when I was working in London, I had to be a bit more like Jason Statham. You know, I mean All right, mate. All right, it's really cool now. And there's a guy Jason gives me a little bit of That with like an undertone of irish you know Yeah, so, um, you know, they're not the same cultures it is inappropriate and and um, I um, just It's it's not an argument. It's going to go anywhere when you when you try to say, yeah But in the uk they did this so we should do it. It's I'm it's not the same culture. It's it's not going to work. They're are legit Thank you. I'm glad you saying it, man Because I'll be seeing like every time I do a gun video or like the night video There's a weird like there's like real weird people that be like, well ours are at least we don't have this type of shooting all the time like, whoa, that's not something to Down somebody on like you think you cool because you ain't got to go through that like I mean salute But this is a different area like For you to try to prove a point by saying that it weird to me Just the cool problems to overcome cultural problems and Practicalities of it. I just don't I just don't think it worked now I I also do think that we need to have sensible Debates discussions that there is some problems that we have to address We can't walk away from an ignore and say, oh, it's just It's all down to this. It's all down to that. We you know, we need to say, okay Well, how can we try to stop inappropriate people doing inappropriate things and And I would love to be at that table and try to thrash my ideas out, but I think the problem It's complicated. That's that's just it. I think there's this Incessant desire to here you go if you get caught with an illegal firearm you get 10 years If you get caught with an illegally modified firearm with a switch on it, you get 25 years Fed time That's a deterrent and that's ain't nobody doing that That's like new york. That's new york for real though over-simplifying the quick solution and in doing so that's where you end up with this kind of Conversational stalemate where the conversation can't go anywhere because we're over-simplifying What is essentially an extremely complex issue? Yeah, and so the longer we do that the more there's not going to really be any advancements as far as the conversation is concerned now I definitely try to educate the masses as much as possible At least from my perspective about the issue And you know our side is generally speaking more than willing to have that conversation with somebody on the other side I don't know if I can say the same for the other side Yeah, it tends to be very inflammatory and very emotional And uh ideological degree understandably, so I'm not not so naive as to say no, you know Like I don't understand why you're so emotional about people getting shot like I And I always try to say that's you know people in England. It's like okay, so You know and they say well, why do you need a gun and I say, okay? Let's let's just pretend Thank you. I'm gonna break this down because I got a lot of people ask me this too Why do you need a gun? Where I live, there are no lethal threats. Let's just pretend the light goes away I enjoy firearms. I enjoy shooting them. I enjoy going to the range and hanging out with my back Even thinking like that. But yeah for sure. We I definitely enjoy them too these and shooting guns because it's fun. Yeah You could say the same thing about your sports car that you mentioned. There's no need to own a sports car That will do 100 100 150 200 miles an hour. There's no need for it. Let's ban them all Let's get rid of them because they're unnecessary. Let's only have cars that do 85 miles an hour And you know But people are you can't do that. Why would you do that? Because it's fun.  Whatever it is. I'm having a night. I have a performance car that goes nicely I don't drive it within the speed limit all the time I just um But but I don't drive it at 150 miles an hour all the time either because Well, I kind of there's not many places I'd be able to do that But it would do that if I wanted to you enjoy enjoying the gray as I got to call it Yeah, I enjoy the performance. I enjoy the way it sounds. I enjoy the way it handles I enjoy the way it moves I feel like a motorcycle is the gun of automobiles or Vehicles or whatever you want to call it? Like there's no abs. There's absolutely no reason for them, but it's just I got one still got one You feel me? I have a motorcycle that again. They're very fast. It's it's dangerous. There's no need to own a motorcycle at all I don't have a motorcycle because I think it's dangerous You know, it's just ridiculous But I've I've had the training. I've had a lot of experience Uh, I ride responsibly for me.   I'm just I'm sorry. Oh god.  Yeah, and that's okay, but you know the ones I mean, I'm not talking about the ones that look like they know Me personally I'm not I've never open carry He in Texas or something. Where are you at? You got to be like down there Open carry is wild you in the south But unless you count like when I'm kind of out and you know, I'm hunting and doing stuff like that That's a different that's a different environment in in in an inner city. There's no need for it.  I don't know waving a sword around above my head And people what are you doing? Well, I'm allowed to have this So someone is going to be alarmed and distressed by that behavior, aren't they so I mean, there is a you know, I've heard arguments that I've heard arguments on the contrary that say, you know Well, the more people do it the more people get used to it and then they'll get more they'll get used to seeing firearms on on people in the open Versus kind of hiding it I don't know Tactically, I'm not really prone to open carry Um, no culturally. I'm indifferent. Honestly. I see it sometimes like if I see You know, like a guy's open carrying in wal-mart. I'm kind of like Okay, I'm gonna say something that really I agree. Like tactically, it doesn't make sense.  You don't want nobody to even approach you And that's what it is you open carry It's more proud to you, but like you must be fear a lot.  Anyway, you jumpy It will get some inflammatory marks from your from your listeners People like me who have training and I have a lot of friends that are like this. So so they will laugh You are just a holster for me I I will I can and will I kind of would take that from you Would not be able to stop me.  No, no, you wouldn't You wouldn't and I know how the tension holsters work And I and and bad people practice how to do they practice how to get cops guns It's just He's not lying. He is not lying He's talking. He said attention holder. Yeah, yeah, nah, man Because I went from carrying at three o'clock To appendix because I like the idea of knowing exactly where my gun is and having complete control of it all the time Versus having it on the side even though concealed I don't like the idea that I don't know what's going on as far as person people having access to it Yeah, it's within within your fighting arc. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm with you from that standpoint I'm like I I'm not prone to open carry largely because I don't like the exposure Especially walking around in the city. I just I just don't Chicago you can never be open Open clearing because they're taking your stuff dig.  I'm gonna be running away with everybody else I'm gonna be getting my nice fast car driving away Um, and once again, he's not lying about that either. Listen Even if I got that thing on me if it don't got nothing to do with me and mine Sayonara I would have to be cornered before that before you even knew it was yeah Yeah, nothing that's largely my my my kind of mentality from a Tenso carry standpoint is My back needs to be against the wall me personally I don't I'm not gonna tell anybody else how they decide how they want to protect themselves, but Um, if I can find a way out I will Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've been in the situation where I needed to I tried to find a way out and you know, I'm saying That's that's me. Um, unless I'm in a situation where I'm with somebody that I truly care about and they don't have the option Or the ability to do that. Um, I'm not inclined to try to be a hero of sorts now I can talk all this nonsense now and then something go down and I could find my I could be in a situation I could just leave or I can shoot this guy real easily and stop everybody else from getting shot and I probably will do But yeah, that's yeah Okay. Now. Okay. Now. Now. Let me rewind like if it's an active situation And there's mass life at risk Okay. Yeah. No, I'ma try I'ma try if I'm by myself and I can get a good off good good little, you know, I'm saying without like Putting myself at risk Like I gotta try that if you were in the right place at the right time, there are lots of examples of that happening Yeah, the right place where it's happened and I I I take note of all the examples that that come up where some Lunatic pulls a gun out and a shopping mall They go bap bap and then a concealed carry holder goes boom Exactly and it's all over and it doesn't make the news It it just kind of comes up in these little Yeah, and you're like wait, wait, that was an active shooter. See what I'm saying like that would be the situation that I'd have to be in I have to be like like right behind the a I'd have to be right behind him Out of his line of sight when he started when he started And then that's all you got me one. You feel me Stop by a good guy. Yeah. No. No. No. No. Look over here.  No ptsd. No nothing Not in that stitch Yes, look over here. Oh, look, there's um, get there's something else happening There's a war over there. There's I just did I just did a um, and then I'll make the make just the last point I just did a um scenario based training with the uscca And there was a situation where um, I had the option where I could have just left Um, I I told the person I was with to leave And then I stayed and then dealt with the threat and ironically enough talking about what you were talking about earlier with respect to cops shooting people in the back um, probably getting way too much information because the video's not even out yet, but The benefit of why it's probably out now watching the podcast, right? uh I remember so after I shot so I shot the guy And they asked me how many times did you shoot him?  He's like da da da and then you know he turns to oh this I'm I'm I'm I'm completely I'm thinking he was in a real situation. This really happened. This is a training exercise. He was in okay Running I got him in the back. So yep, that was eye-opening for me. It was incredibly eye-opening for me. Um, yep I always knew that that dynamic could you know exist from the standpoint of how you could end up shooting some bit Experience it not on a real level of course, but just yeah Yeah, and that that that kind of training is is fantastic. I've actually um I'm just in the process of uh, uh finishing writing my second book I've written the two books now and this book is called so you want to get a gun And which will be out on amazon very very soon W promo see I talk about all the pros and cons of getting a gun, but you know, I I Say you you need at a minimum To get your safety training By someone who knows what they're doing not not your dad your uncle, but someone a professional You need to get legal training in terms of where you can and can't carry a gun You should look to get Some intermediate training that talks about reloads and movement and use of cover and things like that And then you should work your way up to exactly what you were talking about where you're doing scenario stress testing Where you're being put into unknown situations. It's not going to be okay We're going to go to the line.  And there's all these people and then one of them does something and you're like ah And and you and you have to have the honesty and and the humility to go I kind of effed up there because I didn't perform And then that humility then makes you a better firearms owner because you realize and that's crazy, bro I feel like living in Chicago like every scenario That there ever could be has already passed through my mind and I've already worked it out or You know I'm saying so it's like It's it's not all about just just putting holes in paper. It's about there's so much more So yeah, it's not quite the very end, but it's like the last chapter is training Of my book and it's all about being from Chicago has jaded jaded me for in certain scenarios like If there's conversations like it's cool convo, but like, you know, here's what you should be aiming for And you should spend money on it because it's right though. Like all this training stuff You should be trained if you're gonna go that route, but It'll be a lot cheaper than the legal fees. It can be the one percent of your life. That is a hundred percent of everything Yeah, yeah, and so and I mean and That's a clean statement The one percent of your life that was 100 percent of everything That's how a lot that's why a lot of people in jail right now That one percent of your life that make that that Calls a hundred percent of everything it costs you a hundred percent of everything My ideal like my my goal and I'll end on this note I envision an america Where it's understood there is a culture not of just guns But effective and efficient And safe utilization of firearms by the vast majority of people in america Even the people that don't know guns know how to use them effectively legally and smart and safely And it's just understood worldwide the people in america. They're gun people In the same way that people look at the samurai so to speak You know what would be cool. You know, it'd be really awesome.  So the kids Decide if it's the sport they want to get into so kids Yep, and so so everybody has this level playing I don't know man kids is kids at the same time, but that is a good idea But there's I could see a lot of negativity behind it Infield of everybody knows Everybody knows what works myths realities If your friend has a gun you want to stay away from them or you want to be their friend, you know, whatever Let's put it out.  I think it'd be very effective But just one of those things in it where That's all about doing it like that. Um, you definitely need to do this again. All right, man That was eye-opening. I learned a lot of things that I did not know um about the uk's way of life over there with guns, but You know what I'm saying a lot of this stuff. I did know When he starts talking to guy above me Uh, but you know, it's a look man. Let me know y'all comments, man. I'm gone. We can have a convo about it in the Down below