This is Arianne's scented filament, and it stinks. Hi, here. Like I said, this is the new Arianne scented filaments. And this is my wife, Lindsay. Say hi to me. Hello. She's going to help me test these filaments, and we're going to see if they really smell or not so much. So I have not shown her the scents. I have covered them up from behind with the boxes. Each one of these filaments has a vase mode box and a mini gym printed in the scented filament of choice. I use four different printers to print these, and I just let them fly. So some of prints are going to be a little bit better than others because they're tuned in a little better. But what my plan is today is to take the filaments and see if you can tell what they are just by smelling them. Does that sound good? Sure. We're going to have some fun with this. Let's do it. So we have eight different scents here. We have four on the flowery side and four on the fruity side. And what we're going to do is walk through each one. We're going to have Lindsay smell them and see if she can guess what it is or come close. We're going to start here. We're going to start with this green one here. I'm going to turn this up so she cannot see the scent. This is a new vase mode print by ClockSpring, and I'll have the link in the description below for ClockSpring if you want to check it out. But this is the mini gym. It looks absolutely phenomenal. I mean, great mini gym. I finally say so myself. Give it a whip. Let's see what you say. Anyway, no. We have nothing so far. All right. So without her seeing, the scent is right here. Try this one. Nothing. Nothing. So the green one, I mean, it looks great. The filament printed very well. I think we can say that for all of these. The filament is really printed good. Maybe try it. You see if it's scratch and sniff now. Nope. Nope. All right, it's not scratch and sniff. So this was actually green apple. You said it was a flower. Well, it's a fruit. No, the fruit's over here. It's green apple. I can absolutely not smell it on the roll. She can't smell it after it's printed. But I do say it printed very well. Nice color. Under the next one. Smell of the vase may have broke. That's my fault. And the mini gym might be missing feet. Also, my fault. I got a little bit ambitious with pulling it off the bed while it was still too warm. I smell something compared to that one, but I still can't tell what it is. OK. So far, that's all right. Here you go. Nothing. I smell the roll a little bit on this one. You probably don't even know what to say. I don't know what to say. But I smell something other than canela. I smell it on this. But I can tell you, again, can't really smell it. But she does a little bit of something. But again, print. It's the sweet kind of. But again, printed very well. I love the color. The colors are really nice. They're almost silky. They're shiny, and they print very good so far. My favorite are the reds, because they're a lot more iridescent. Yeah, they're very nice. Hey, Lindsay. Hey, Jim. Oh, this is? Mini gym. Mini gym. Nor you can find mini gym. Right in your view. In my hand. Or on Thangs, because Thangs is a sponsor of this video today. Thank you so much, Thangs. We really appreciate the sponsorship of our videos right here on the edge of tech. With almost 3 million models, Thangs is becoming the fastest 3D printing model community out there. And it is awesome. You can search by geometry.  So jump on to Thangs. The link is in the description below. Grab the mini gym and print one for yourself.  I can't smell this one at all. I don't smell anything on these guys. The vase, like, you can kind of stick your nose in there. Stick your nose in there. I don't know why. That's why I did that. Yeah. It's like Play-Doh. I don't think they were going for Play-Doh. Here, try to smell the roll. Maybe you can guess that one. Nothing? So this one's supposed to be Jasmine. You know what, for a white filament, this is really nice white. It came really. I hope the camera can pick this up good. But it came out really good. The white did onto this next one. Here's this. Don't look. I like this one because it's shiny. Yes. So the red is very nice. This one, you can see on the roll here, super nice red. It is really, it's almost like a silk. And if you look at the mini gym, you can actually see the shine off of the mini gym. Again, filament printed very good. It just so far doesn't stink. We want it to stink. It's really cool on the big bags here, too. Yeah, well, the clock spring is. Sven is a genius. Let's see if you can get this one. Nothing? Again, I smell it on here, but nothing else. I'm going to guess rose. This one's supposed to be rose. But I'm guessing you guessed that because it's red. It smells flowery, and it's red. I think this is the strongest out of the ones so far. And it's the prettiest so far. It is. This is a great color. You're looking for a great color. This rose is very good. So they sell them in a couple different ways. You can buy them in one set, which are the flowery scents. One set, which are the fruity scents. The apple grows on a tree. That's why it's a flower. Or you can buy them all together. Now, they aren't Kickstarter right now. I have a feeling they'll be released after Kickstarter as well. Kickstarter is Kickstarter. Be careful. You're not paying for a product. You're paying for an idea of a product. And you may never get it. Now, Arianne has been around for quite a long time. So hopefully you would. But in this case, it is on Kickstarter. And if it doesn't, if they don't follow through with everything, I have to warn you all, be smart on Kickstarter. If you have the extra money to throw away on something and you want to try this filament, then Kickstarter might be the way to go. Kickstarter's not guaranteed. Like she said, do your research first. All right, next. Let me hear it. Now, this is a nice purple. Really nice purple, actually. What do you think? She says, great. This is where I tell you I had two filaments switch this whole time. The green apple and the lavender. So lavender is supposed to go in. Your face. I swear, though. It smells like grape. Now, the lavender actually goes with this flowery sense. The green apple goes with the fruity sense. And I was just curious if it would make any difference. So there you go. So it smells like grape. It smells like purple. I don't know what purple smells like. So in your flowery sense, you have lavender, rose. What was this one again? Jasmine. Lavender, rose, jasmine, and tulip. And we're going through the fruits right now. Green apple is the first one, not the purple.  It's going to be hard. I'm telling you. It's a fruit and it's orange. Try that. Smell that. The spiky, yellow orange fruit. Spiky hair, you know. All right. Well, it's orange. So there's that. So so far, we have a very consistent theme. This is a lovely, dreamcicle shade, though. Yeah, I love the color. The colors are really good. I did reach out to Arianne and said, hey, I just want to let you know I can't smell anything. But the colors are great. And that is what it is. I was just curious what they would say. But I do say this. When you heat these up, when they are printing, you can smell them.  In the garage here, where we are in the studio, I had all four printing at the same time. And it just smelled like scent. I mean, it wasn't great. But I tell you, while they're printing, you do get the scent when it's nice and warm.  No, it's not a fire. OK, we're not going to light it on fire. So we're going to go to the next one, keeping up with the theme. There you go. Oh, no. Let me see. Beautiful smell. It's a beautiful color. No, it's something. No. All right. Well, I can tell you this is supposed to be mango. And if she smelled anything at all, I wouldn't have pulled it. Well, we got one more left. And that is this one right here. Another really pretty, really pretty red one. That's my hair. Yeah, kind of. We'll call it hair. Look, I have Lindsay color hair on this one. Here you go. Here's these. Here's these. I mean, it's not overpowering, but it is completely the other one. What do you think it is? Three? It is strawberry. So she got one out of eight. Oh, she has gone. I can't smell it. But I guarantee if we heat up a printer and we threw this through it, you can definitely smell the strawberry. The ones I smelled the most were the strawberry and the orange. Then the flowery ones, I did smell a couple of those, the rose and the lavender I did smell. But, and that was when they're hot, though. I mean, when they're actually printing.  I would have never guessed rose. But I smelled something a little bit. So out of eight scents, she got one. So one out of eight. Two. Got rose. Well, you guessed rose. You didn't know rose. Well, she guessed rose. All right, we'll call it two out of eight as far as smelling them. So I think we can say this. These were out of the packaging for maybe three days now. Fresh out of the package, when you cut open the package, you can definitely smell the scent. But it's been in there for a while. When they're printing, you can smell it. But after that, not so much. I really don't think the scent hangs out. Now, that is supposed to be what this is. It's supposed to be scented filament and nothing against the filament. But the scent just, it wasn't there. Now they say it's because they use essential oils. And it's all natural and it's going to fade and they can't put too much of it in or the filaments will be, you know, kind of weird. Now, I did notice that when I printed a couple of them on the C-C-N-C Real Stock Max V4, I actually saw steam coming out of the hot end. So I raised it up and I was pushing it through and it was steaming and I could smell it. I can only assume that that'd be the essential oils being released out of the hot end because it's so hot. But I'm just guessing. I mean, I saw it was, like I said, it was steaming. I could smell it. But I didn't, you know, the other printers were going and I can't raise them up like that one. So I couldn't tell. But out of the eight we smelled two, which isn't terrible. I wouldn't say their identifiable smells.  So that's good. Some of them definitely did have a scent. It wasn't overpowering and it wasn't identifiable, but there was something there. Sents aside, how do you feel the actual filament looks? It looks good.  The colors are really nice. I just think that the scent part of it is where they need to either work on it or I'm not sure how they can. Because they have to add something to the filament to make that work. And anything you add, it's going to be extruded through the hot end and it could make your prints really weird. And in this case, it didn't. These printed super nice. But if you add too much, you think it would be like moisture and it would cause stringing and the pop. So maybe there's like that fine line in the area. If you're watching, you know, we love the colors. They print very nice. We just didn't smell them so much this time. I think they should buy it if they like the colors because the scents are not guaranteed, you know? And it's cool if it smells, but then you'll be disappointed if you love the color anyway. Check out the Kickstarter. If you're leery about the Kickstarter wait, you know, I'm sure eventually the product will go on sale. The Arianne is a big enough company where I believe, you know, they could actually make this without Kickstarter, but jump on there. If you want to try it, jump on the Kickstarter and get it for the colors. Not so much for the scent. Sorry, Arianne, I really appreciate that you sent me these. We really, really wanted them to smell and smell good. In this case, we just didn't get the smell so much. Do you like the colors? I'd say do it. It's worth the money for the rolls, for the colors. And then maybe you can run around and ask people if they smell it. That's not weird. It's not weird at all. Well, I hope you learned something today and as always, smelly later. And as always, keep printing. Hey everybody, thanks for watching. If you liked the video, give us that thumbs up. Hit that subscribe button if you haven't done that already and click the bell right over here. If you want to get notified next time we go live or put out another great video on the edge of tech.


I'm trying to figure out how to hold them trying to hold three devices at once You know, maybe I should practice and use three at once. That would be an entertaining night. I suppose We like really bright colors, you know, you'll see it in some of our artwork and some of our logos We thought we would introduce the bee in some really Bright colors. We wanted to go with that 90s neon theme thinking about those old old windbreakers and such They stand out. We kind of figured these would do something vibrant something's going to capture the attention of the customer Walking into a store and go. Whoa. What is that when it came to choosing the color? I was actually really happy that there was some other people on the marketing team that took it upon themselves to say You know what we got this that was kind of a meeting of the minds I kind of limited my input there as you notice we went with a brighter approach this time reminds me of Like the sunglasses and stuff you get in the cereal boxes during the 90s I don't think there's anyone that I've come across in our whole company that doesn't like the colors because they're just they're bright They're They're exciting.  It's blue and it's a bee. The pink well We actually really like pink Rosium which has been a pretty consistent color for us on the m's. I don't have a name for the pink one yet the green That was an easy one. I particularly like the green myself very nearly dinovap green You know, it's actually a little bit brighter, but the green one. It really likes black light. I'm a huge fan of all three of them I personally really like my bright colors if you if you haven't noticed. We really like color. We know Quite a few people out there do too. The colored bees are really just a sir You know silicone is a very neutral material So if we start with effectively nothing, it's kind of a clear translucent color We can then make it almost any other Pantone from there by adding various dyes and pigments silicone There's so much that you can do with it glow in the dark and do all the different swirl patterns Maybe mixtures of different colors and just getting kind of weird with it UV reactive We could do all of that and that's kind of exciting to know that we have ease of Expandability we're gonna have to do some more exploration to see not only what other colors are available But are there new ways that we can incorporate maybe colors that haven't been seen before and I think that there is The 90s neon that we have going on here is really just the start to me This is kind of like just the beginning of the new entry-level product not that I want to change it like right now You know, there's always room for improvements, but I love what this is right now And I love the functionality. We're really happy with how the design of the bee turned out and it seems like a lot of people are Really reiterating that the general response is wow this just does it for me The reception was what we were hoping for I think that You know it is resonating with the customer the way we wanted it to this this product Ticks a lot of the boxes. I had no idea that something like this even existed. Oh, it was a pretty common response Well, welcome to the Dinoverse and it does exist


Get a mate 40 here. So YouTube has a great new function I can go live and simultaneously invite guests like even here on my cell phone. So that's awesome All right, so I'm looking forward to doing that in the future I know there are a lot of other platforms That have that function, but I don't have to be an OBS now to invite guests So I've been reading a ton on the Fox News firing of Tucker Carlson Here are some of the things that jumped out of me So it was Tucker's January 6 documentary that was so over-the-top that was Important in the Murdoch's decision to part ways with with Tucker. So Rupert was about to get married again to his fifth wife and she believed that Tucker was a messenger from God and Rupert said no, no, he's not Now remember it Tucker got accessed at thousands of hours of previously unseen footage and Tucker just showed a little bit of it and then he stopped showing it So why did Tucker stop showing the previously unseen footage that came into the possession of the House Republicans? That why did he stop showing that that footage?  So So Did Fox tell him to shut it down now if Tucker hadn't misrepresented the footage that he had like and release that crazy documentary saying that the January 6 riots were not what they were seeing But you know, there's some kind of deep-state Plants and intervention like he hadn't said such crazy stuff and given such crazy contacts in the footage That he could have released You know a lot of more of that unseen footage, which I think most of us would want to see so why why did Tucker stop? Showing the previously unseen footage. I think that's important It's very safe here in downtown LA. Just please ignore the sirens Very safe here. It's all under control Another thing that jumped out to me about the articles on Tucker's firing It's how unpopular he was with his peers that the cheering erupted at Fox when particularly in the news division when it was announced that Tucker had been fired so Tucker had alienated himself from his peers and so it's not a safe position to be outside the herd or even on the edges of the herd You really want to live life if you possibly can't inside the herd and that may mean saying a lot of things You don't really believe in Just going along with the herd in a lot of ways so you can say and do all sorts of things Let's stay independent in your mind. I'll give you know new meanings to what you're saying and doing But but you're in a much less safe position when you're outside the herd also Tucker was working from home essentially from Maine and from Florida and so he wasn't coming into the office I think he got out of touch with reality like some people do when they Choose remote work rather than in the office work So he had less you know face time with many of his colleagues at Fox I suspect that may have played a role in him getting out of touch Yeah, so I think you stop thinking about what was in his employer's best interest So when you stop thinking about what's in your employer's best interest or you know, what is it the? Closest friends one or your community ones or your spouse wants right? That's when you're gonna have to start shopping for a new job new spouse new friends when you don't retain a sense of the people Most important to you and what they're all about So yeah, I suspect that he developed an exaggerated sense of his own importance So whoever Fox replaces him with will probably get at least 80% of Tucker's audience and May very well cause 10% of the problems. So if you can get someone Who brings in 80% of Tucker's audience causes 10% of the problems of Tucker cause You know brings back elite advertisers instead of the low low-grade advertisers currently on Tucker's show Then that's a winning decision for Fox News Another thing that Eric Wampal of the Washington Post noted that then other people have noted that Tucker loves cruelty And there's someone who's been online a long time You know, I identify with that You know, there has been a streak of cruelty in my online adventures and they're having times when I've you know resonated with it with being cruel and it's usually a dysfunction and Chuck Johnson made the point hurt people hurt people and it sounds cliche, but I think it's absolutely right hurt people hurt people and Tucker, you know, it's talked about his rage at his mother how much he loves his mother and that probably gives an avenue to understanding the alleged Misanthropy that he is directed in the Abbey Grossberger lawsuit where his former female booker on the show alleged an atmosphere of you know careless cruelty and discrimination against women anti-semitism stuff like that so Her people her people her people, you know, probably really enjoy hurting people Articles talk about how it used to be in AA and so people are addicts and alcoholics They tend to have a lot of resentment and that tends to be what what drives their addiction So maybe Tucker fell out of recovery, you know, rage and resentment does seem to have driven the show And some people can use rage and rage and resentment in adaptive, you know useful ways But tends to poison people So Chuck Johnson wrote an essay that Tucker was very likely being used by foreign powers such as Russia China I don't buy that but it's an interesting substack to read, you know Chuck Johnson's analysis of this He said that he told Roger Ailes to give Tucker a TV show because he Roger Ailes with Vox News needed a wasp with his own show So Chuck Johnson is incredibly connected. So he's very smart incredibly connected I am highly skeptical of many of the things he says, but there is some gold in in all the dross on his comments so I don't believe that Tucker Carlson was, you know, doing the work of foreign powers like Russia and China, right that that doesn't ring true to me But other parts of Chuck Johnson's analysis do ring true and you know Chuck Johnson has been in places and has been connected to people that would give him insights that You and I don't have. The guy is incredibly well connected and no matter how wrong he may be about various things He's the type of brilliant connected individual who can change the direction of a republic of a genre of a society of history Wouldn't surprise me if you know Chuck Johnson Changes the whole direction of various things of which we have absolutely no idea right now so another interesting angle on this is will truck will Tucker Carlson run for president right, I think that would be Mentally entertaining and I think that Tucker Carlson has a substantial base in the Republican Party and He may very well be I don't know if he decides to run I'd put the odds at 5% 10% that Tucker could win the Republican nomination and And possibly win the presidency of the United States so Donald Trump being scorned by Barack Obama, you know gave birth to Donald Trump running for president of the United States So when Obama used a press gala to roast Donald Trump, right? Trump didn't enjoy it and it fired him up and let him to run for presidency So getting fired by Fox News may well fire up Tucker Carlson free him to run for run for the presidency Certainly not too late to jump into the field Tucker Carlson's only TV pundit who I find interesting right no one else Registers on my radar and I'm not a fan of Tucker Carlson. I like Tucker You know what I know about it personally, but I think his show was equal parts good stuff bad stuff and Nothing stuff, but I'll be interested to see where he goes from here


Mark yn oedd y cwic turn around. How's the squad looking? Any fresh concerns heading into the weekend? Yeah, we've got a couple of players that we have a slight doubt on it. Alex Gilead and Henry Chapman. I just got knocks during the week, so we'll check on them. And then the rest are okay. Is it a case with the two you mentioned just proper last-minute checks really before you make a decision? Yeah, we'll give them as long as we can, but in my mind I need to make decisions. So yeah, it's more contact injuries. It's not so much issues with the physicality of the games. It's just contacts and you're going to get those types of injuries. And does with another game on Tuesday, does extra precaution come in mind when it comes to those kind of knocks? Well yeah, we've got enough cover in the squad that if I feel it's better that guys miss out one game so they don't miss out four by going one more time more than they should then we'll try and protect players because it's in the club's interest to do that. And my interest is the manager of the club so yeah, if we can manage injuries and manage as I said contact injuries which you will get then they can resolve themselves quite quickly but if you compound the problem by playing them too readily after those injuries then it can become an issue. A few days on from the black game, we touched about when we spoke to you on Tuesday but I guess the players have probably taken confidence from the performance despite the result. Yeah, we think so yeah, they came in for training in good hearts so yeah, confidence hasn't been dented by the loss. We played well the weekend before, gave a good account ourselves against higher league opposition so now we're really looking forward to league two football again and carry on where we left off at a higher level because we played at a higher level there. Harry Lewis mentioned about going out in the cup, he feels there's no excuses in the league, you can really focus on that albeit the AFL trophy as well, is that something you share? Yeah, I mean our focus will always be on the league but as I said before the cup competition in midweek is that we'll always try and have a goal because we want to progress like I said. The two games that we had against higher opposition have helped us in terms of improving and understanding what we need to do to be better when you would go up against better opposition. They will ask more questions of you and you've got to learn quickly or find the answers on the pitch if you can ideally. So those two experiences for the group as a whole are invaluable and will reap the benefits in league two games that we've got coming up. So the cup games will come around and we'll pay them the respect that they deserve because it's a good learning opportunity. Cain, Harry has looked lively when he's come off the bench in the league and he put a good account in for himself on Tuesday night, how close is he to a start in the league? Yeah, I was pleased with what he did. We changed things around slightly but it was fine so he could have scored a goal as well so he's always a constant. Menace at the top end of the pitch has got good high energy levels and a good amount of skill as we've seen already. He's going to get more games, starts and finishes so he's going to be a big part of the season as well. You mentioned looking a little bit different when Cain's on the pitch and we noticed that it almost looks a little bit more of a 4-4-2 kind of thing. Is Cain one of those players that you do have to adapt when he's on the pitch? Yeah, I think the shape that we play helps us. I think it just gives us a little bit of fluidity and we've got used to that shape. Obviously if we played two up front we have to tweak that to a certain extent. We can go different ways, we can go 4-4-2, we can go with the diamond which we've done through pre-season as well and we've experimented with that. So there's different options and we can always play just Cain off the front as well because he's got the ability to do that and he's an intelligent footballer that we'll be able to adapt if he needs to just go from deeper positions. So there's not too much of a tweak to it but obviously it just changes us slightly if we do play two up top. And playing with someone like Andy Cooke who's in form and he's got Verdane as well who's so experienced at this level and in the leagues above it must be a great learning curve for Cain. Yeah, I think he's enjoying the experience. He's jumping at the pity once the player of the game as all young strikers want to but it just needs to be a little bit patient. He missed obviously that week of three games when he got suspended which is just set him back a little bit which is unfortunate for him but he's very much part of what we're going to be doing moving forward. How much as a former striker yourself are you involved with the attacking players or do you hand that over to your coaches and have to take a step back mark or do you really get involved with them? Well no, it's not a case of me saying do it like I used to do it because I can't demonstrate that because I'm 58 so no problem with me trying to do that. No, I've got an understanding of the role and I'm much regret if you're out in those forward positions so clearly I will coach that and talk to the guys about that how they can maybe lose markers and just give them a little bit of space at the end of the pitch where it's vital to create that sometimes through the movement of others or sometimes you have to create things on your own. So yeah, there's always things that you can empower to players and make them have a few more strings to them all. Back at home on Saturday it feels a while since the Newport league game. Just how important is it just to keep that unbeaten league run going at home? Yeah it's something we talk about. We look stronger at home I have to say and the support weekend is fantastic so as soon as we turn up to the ground we're just itching to get out there and play and maybe that's not been the case in recent parts really and so we're in a much better place. We really enjoy playing at home. It's a real advantage to us we feel and I think we'll get even stronger as the season progresses. But the weekend is an important one for us. We want that continuity in terms of performance and results and it's a good opportunity at the weekend to continue in the same vein. And on crew they obviously came down last season. Troubled some season last season but they've started life in league 2 very well. Simon gone. What shall we get him back? Difficult season for crew last season but they've started well in league 2. What have you made of them so far? Yeah I mean you're right in saying that. They've got good points on the board which they'll be happy about obviously coming down from after relegation is difficult for teams and we've already faced one team in Doncaster and a similar fate. We'll see how they approach the game against us and hopefully we'll be like Doncaster did. No dark hearts hopefully. Is it one of those oppositions where if you do get a good result it almost feels like a little bit of a statement? I don't think so much. I think from our point of view we're just trying to make statements every time we play in terms of how we play and the results that we're able to get. We know there's a big focus on what we're doing here and people are looking to see how and where we're doing so we have to make a statement every time we play so we haven't got a problem with that. We're not faced by that or upset about it. It's a recognition of where we are as a club and what we're trying to do I feel so expectations are always a good thing. Thanks for your time. You mentioned players like Cian Harrop willing to play every game and you do have a cover in most positions. How do you keep all those players happy when they clearly can't play all the time? It can be difficult. Everybody's valued here. Everybody is going to play a role. Some will play a more significant role than others but we'd like to think and I'd like to think that everybody's included and feels a sense of belonging in terms of what we're trying to do moving forward so I think if you go everybody on the same page obviously players will be disappointed when they don't start games. But I think there's a recognition that I will change things around. I will try and keep freshness in the squad if I feel people are losing form then they'll have to go out of the team and guys that have been waiting patiently will come in. I think there's an understanding that there is that belief that will happen and if you're out of the team you've got to be ready to go because circumstances as we know football changed very quickly so it only takes, we've had enough injuries already but those injuries have given other people opportunities to stand more regularly. Guys outside of the team at the moment have still got a huge role and you see the guys that are coming on at the end of the games to finish off performances, they're making an impact because they feel part of what we're doing. So it's a big long old season everybody's an old cliché but we're going to need everybody so we've just got to keep that feeling that everybody's included and everybody's part of what we're trying to do and we do that then I don't think we'll have any problems. Presumably when you play it as well as you are at the moment that helps because everyone can see that it's working the way it is. Yeah and I think everybody wants to be part of it so we continue to try and play good football, progressive football, I think players enjoy playing the way that we're trying to play. They like the training, every day is a different day in terms of what we present them. We're still working on the same things but because of the quality of the coaching then it doesn't seem that way so there's always a variety. We probably work on the same things predominantly but because it's presented in a different way it doesn't get stale and guys are always stimulated every single day they come in. I think that helps to keep the group really strong and motivated. Can I quickly mum? Obviously it's just under a week left for the transfer window. Obviously Oscar went out to Ollum yesterday. What's the state of play now? Are you pretty much there on ins and outs or how do you see the next few days? Well there's always, I keep on saying this, if something gets thrown up, sometimes you get situations that you've enquired about before and agents or clubs will say no we're looking at more money or different level and they go away for six, seven weeks. And all of a sudden the last week of the winter they realise that maybe that's not going to happen for their client or their player and they start trying to start conversations with us again. So there could be a few occasions of that I think in the next few days and it might be that some of the ones that we dismissed because we felt that they were looking in a different direction they might become viable again. So we'll wait and see if anything like that happens or somebody from left field presents himself and we think it makes sense and we're able to do it financially. I mean I don't know if it might be the end of the window but is he still someone in the ballpark or has that sort of moved on that one now? Information really is that they're looking to place him in league one or higher and he's been in around their first team obviously in some of the games of late so that's probably where they see Dion's career progressing from this time on. But you never know, it may change but I think that's where we are at the moment because of where Luton is seeing him playing next year, this year rather. And in terms of the squad numbers, is there anybody else mighty to go out to think in terms of numbers or are you sort of, how many have you got on the squad now? Do you feel that that's a big enough squad you have? Like I said Simon, if something makes sense and we can do something we'll look at it and then we'll think about the numbers after probably. We will always want to be stronger before we move people out so that's why we did so many early in the window and maybe towards the back end we've been concentrating more on seeing if we can place other players.


Let's do this, so I can keep track of where I am. Awesome. So thanks for showing up today. My name is Robinson Tryon. I currently work for the Lot Network, which is a entity nonprofit that helps deal with patent rolls. And I've worked in various other capabilities. Worked on LibreOffice, worked on some neat metadata games collecting information for archives and libraries. And I'm based in Dallas, Texas, which is lots of fun for giving talks about patents because the patent capital of the world in East Texas, Marshall, Texas, is basically two hours due east of me. So this wasn't planned. I moved there first and then got this job done. For this presentation, I should probably keep a look at the time as well. I wanted to kind of just look at what's going on with patents in the US and Europe. Talk about what's happening. And a lot of stuff is happening. A lot of amazing things are happening. And keep all of you guys awake. But I'll cover your yawning. So I'll have to work on that. And just talk about patent strategy for businesses. So I originally had like a 20 minute talk, I think. And then I realized I had more time, so hopefully I did not expand my slides too much. We'll see how I zoom through. So I'm not a lawyer. Not your lawyer. All the normal stuff applies. But hopefully you guys have a little familiar with law and patents and sort of jump through things. I know a couple of you guys are lawyers. Many of you are lawyers at all? Couple? All right. So I do apologize if I say things or things seem overly simple to you. Because I wanted to sort of discuss some topics and talk about some things that I learned about. I didn't know a lot about regarding legal issues in the EU and in the United States. So let's begin. When I started researching these systems, I didn't really understand the total impacts of events and how that would affect patent systems and how that would affect litigation and so forth. So I sort of started as sort of a narrow review. And that really expanded, that grew into looking at sort of the amazing change that administrative change a leader like a new president of the United States can have. So I found that very interesting. And I hope that you guys will as well. So the crux of my talk, I think, was about preparing free and open-source software companies to deal with patents, to actually sort of give you guys tidbits of information about how you can look at the patent sphere, you can look at litigation, and get a handle on what's going on and what's going to come next. Because I think that's really important to see what's going to come next, what the future of patents, the future of patentability is. Some patent strategies, some ways of dealing with patents are, of course, smarter than others. But what I found very interesting is that there are a lot of companies, a lot of startups out there, who basically have no plan about dealing with patents. Whether they are startups in hardware or software, hardware more than software. But a large number of startups, both in the free software space and not, that don't really think about patents. They sort of push it off. And I think that's the wrong strategy. I think it's something that we need to think about early on so that we don't back ourselves into a corner, so that we have the ability to reduce our risk and to make smart decisions. So educating yourself, of course, is the most important thing. It doesn't hurt to educate yourself on legal systems beyond your own. I remember when I learned French for the first time, I had no idea what the imperfect was. I had no idea what these other things were. I used it in English, I used concepts, but it was by learning other systems, by being able to compare and contrast that then you can actually have a greater understanding of your system. So slings and arrows. So one really interesting lawsuit that I thought was a great place to start in terms of litigation is there was a guy in a pastor who liked to larp. He liked to shoot people with arrows. And these were foam-tipped arrows. So it was no death. But he started selling these things online. And he expanded his business, and he started to import arrows from, as it turns out, European countries. So we have this US and Europe already involved here. So there was a company that sued him for patent and trademark infringement, because they wanted to make sure they got everything. And they claimed that the arrows he was selling infringed on patents that they had filed for their own hardware, for their own game. And they told him, probably with a little bit of bragging and hopefully to scare him, that they had set aside $150,000. And he was definitely intimidated by that. So he didn't really have any money. Again, he's a pastor, a youth pastor. Didn't have a lot of money. So he turned to go fund me and asked others in his community, which could be very similar to, say, the free and open software community, to help him defend against this particular case. And in response to that, Glover Archery, this company, tried to get a gag order to stop him talking about this. So basically, they kind of ratcheted things up and thankfully were unsuccessful. What really was great for him was that after the suit came out, Newegg, who is a very strong stance against patent rolls, stepped forward to help him. And in fact, they had been selling these T-shirts, Troll Hunter T-shirts. And they set aside $10,000 from that to help him for his lawsuit, to defend against this patent roll lawsuit. So Newegg, Lee Chang, is Chief Counsel there. And in fact, Newegg and Lee Chang are involved in the Lot Network as well, who I work for, again, with patent rolls. Chang basically said, and he went a little further than I might have, he said that this company, even though they sell products, he said they're basically a troll because they're a certain questionable IP, they're aggressive, and he went on and on, you can read. But he basically laid into them. And what was really important, I think, about this, is that after Chang and Newegg signed on, as this sort of champion, global dropped its case, global finally acknowledged there was prior art from Germany that had been created in the past, and they basically dropped the lawsuit. In fact, they don't drop the lawsuit, they basically, they immediately dropped the lawsuit to basically avoid having their own IP invalidated. So they kind of did a really quick shuffle. So what I think was really important about this case, even though it's not about freedom or software, it's in a slightly different realm, is that not everyone has a champion. So in different spheres, not everyone has a champion, which means that it's important for you to set yourself up for success. It's important for you to have a patent policy. And whether that's making friends, whether that's joining a group like the Law Network, Open Invention Network, you should have a patent policy, an IP policy, sooner the better. So what I thought was especially interesting, even though he had strong prior art, he was unable to shake the lawsuit because he wasn't a lawyer. He didn't have that background. So don't overestimate a wealthy plaintiff. People have big war chests. So with that in mind, thinking about the little guy, the big guy, I want to kind of look at the European Union and US patent systems and think about what courts look like in the future, what relationships will exist between countries, and so forth. So the UPC, do you guys call that a UPC in Europe as well? OK, good. I saw that. When I first heard UPC, it kept on running in me, so I had to run there. It's a proposed court open to all members of the EU, but it's not a part of the EU. I was a little confused about that. But it was important to look at this because basically UPC, as I understand it, would supersede a lot of the other courts, would collect all of the patent cases, especially software patent cases, into one court that would apply to all of these European Union member countries, and deal with infringement, and as well as decide about unitary patents. So kind of like a pan-European file at once run everywhere, Java, I think? Java patent, maybe? But there was a great talk last year. If you guys want to learn more about it, please take a look at that. Here's really quickly some concerns that were raised last year about it, and I think are still relevant. It's a pro-patent court. Is he claimed? Basically because all they would do is patents. So we sort of get into their brain. There are similar claims made for court in the United States, court of bill through the Federal Circuit, all they do is patent, not all they do is patents, but largely they engage with a lot of patent work, and so therefore patents on the brain. Some other issues, there's no appeals court. So in the United States there's a court, the Supreme Court of the United States, that reviews these other court's decisions, and hopefully injects some sanity basically to those who deal with patents all the time. There's nothing to override that. There's a pro-software patent tradition from Germany, and it's independent from the EU, which makes it a little bit weird. And patents are only translated into a few languages. So basically, we could go through these individually, but basically what this sums up to is that the UPC will be a very unfriendly place for dealing with patents, especially software patents. And I think that if enacted would be a very unhealthy development for free software. But I guess thankfully, it doesn't exist yet. Basically, the UK and Germany both have to sign, and then the Brexit happened. So what does the Brexit mean? It's very interesting. And again, one of the lawyers out there might wave your hand insistently, that's great, you can correct me. But as I understand, one of the problems is that basically the Brexit right now, in short term, won't have any major impacts on patents in the European Union. But after the UK leaves the EU, it won't be under the jurisdiction of the EU courts. And it can't be a member of the proposed UPC. But for the UPC to exist, it needs to have written and needs to have Germany ratified. So this is an issue that's going on right now. So in fact, the UK, who theoretically is leaving, said, we're going to leave. Don't worry. But we're going to ratify this first. So that's cool. We're either going to ratify it and then they leave. The problem with that is that the UPC is designed, and I might be jumping ahead here for a second, but basically, so the UK said yes. As long as we're members of the EU, we're going to participate, we're going to be a part of this. But the issue with this is that the UPC is supposed to be only EU members. So if Britain signs on to it and then they leave, then they're a part of the UPC, but they can't be a part of the UPC. It's very confusing. So for me, some scholars have said there's a convoluted way around this. Well, to sort of summarize that, that means for anybody else who has to deal with patents. So anyone else who has to deal with these courts or has to try to make some type of patent strategy for future, it's very impenetrable. It's very difficult. So in essence, there's one more reason why having a patent strategy, having at least a lawyer you can talk to, to give you some advice in these situations is very important. I'm sure that this is going to change in the next few months continually. Of course, many people in the UK kind of like the idea of leaving without joining the UPC because it is essentially such a pro-software patent court. So what would happen in the UK without the UPC? Basically, my understanding is that it would be a little bit more free software friendly. Basically, the UK has a slightly smaller scope of patentability than what is currently present. So to summarize basically that, it would be a little bit better free software in Britain. So in the United States, this part is exciting. So on what's going on under Obama, there was the American Events Act. There were some really great parts of that act that enabled people to work on getting rid of bad patents before they were while they were being filed. So any of you guys involved with Linux defenders? Any of you guys involved with basically getting rid of these patents? OK, so basically it was working with prior art. It was basically a way in which various members of the community with legal background often, but not necessarily, could help to basically tell the patent office, hey, this is a bad patent. Hey, there's prior art. So this is definitely I think something that companies should think about, especially if they're operating a certain space, databases, virtualization, et cetera. This is something that is really important. I'm not sure if there's something parallel in Europe right now, but it would be great to have an ability for someone to say, hey, someone's trying to file a patent on XYZ. And we have XYY. It's really close to that. And this is something that should be reviewed. So that's something that should be a part of your patent strategy. What can we expect under Trump? So there wasn't really much information under Trump. It's going to be exciting. IP wasn't a primary focus. Everyone online, all of the articles I've been reading, the research I've done, says everyone is excited about writing articles about it. But they really don't know. They just like to talk a lot. So what we do know, he had an uncle, actually, was interestingly who won a presidential medal of freedom, who was an inventor at MIT and did a lot of really neat stuff. So he had a cool uncle. So we can be happy about that. He has criticized some companies. And because of his business and his behavior, I think that the United States were going to see a policy emerge that's going to be more patent friendly, friendly to just friendly. And probably about the only thing I'm certain about in this presentation, he's going to tweet about it. So who's in charge? In the United States, there's currently someone called Michelle Lee. She was appointed under Obama. Peter Thiel, if anyone knows who he is, she actually went to Stanford Law at the same time. So I love all these interesting connections, people in the same classes at the same time. So she has been active, actually. There's rumors that she's staying on, but it's very unclear right now. She was previously working at Google, and she pushed her a lot of patent reform. So probably the lawyers in here know what some of these things are. The rest of you, Google is your friend. Interesting things. She worked on enhancing patent quality, this enhanced patent quality initiative, which was great one time when basically there was an acknowledgement that poor quality patents had come out of the patent office. She implemented this interpartisan review, which helped to deal with trolls, was hoped to be a better way, cheaper, more accurate way to deal with patent quality, deal with patents, rather than having a hearing about them. And she even floated the idea of putting them to forum shopping. So when I mentioned about the Eastern Texas court, which some of you might be familiar with, where all the patent troll activity happens in the United States, she was hopefully going to put an end to that. So largely I would say she was a friend to free software. It's unclear if she's going to continue as director. It's all a big question mark, which isn't a huge surprise under Trump's presidency. But we are awaiting. So who might replace her? So this is sort of the kicker, I think. Philip Johnson possibly could replace her. He was someone who Trump vetted, not sorry, not Trump, Obama vetted, but tech companies didn't like him. And if he or someone like him were to become the head of the patent office, this could have a huge impact on patents in the United States. You can see here he crystallized legislation that would require details about patent infringement. He opposed transparency requirements. And he basically wanted less regulation. So this could be a big change. And to step backwards, a lot of you would say the way patents are handled in the United States. So the cost of a patent troll suit. So if you've ever been sued by a patent troll, I apologize. And hopefully that you got through it pretty much unscathed. If you were a small company, you probably didn't survive. You can think 3.3 million. I just was talking to my cousin who has a small startup. And I'm pretty sure that that is about at least three times one of the money they currently have in the bank. So basically, patent lawsuits, this is in the United States. I'm wearing most of my numbers. Usually costs about $1.5 million in legal fees. And that a little bit more in license costs are basically if you have to pay off this troll. Unfortunately, in these troll cases, small companies bear a large amount of the money. And it makes sense. I mean, in a crude way, not in a good way. But basically, patent trolls go after the week of the flock. Who's the week of the flock? It's going to be the young startups and so forth, which is unfortunate. But it's a predator-prey relationship. If you work on hardware, hopefully you guys don't. You're going to pay a lot more. Licensing can be many millions, 8 million, for example. That's an average. It could be much higher. So in the realm of hardware, basically, a lot of places where patents can be regulated in the United States, and one is in the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission. So just before Trump took office, the FTC sued Qualcomm, accusing them of unfair competition, claiming they violated fran licensing, that they basically were bundling hardware and patent licenses exclusively, and had some exclusive deals with Apple. And this is something the FTC does. Again, like the United States Patent Office, it is part of what they do in terms of regulating trade. But a lot of people are very concerned, because this review could have had a big impact on how hardware companies regulate, how hardware companies sell their products, how they might bundle patent licenses with hardware, for example, something that is of great concern to the free software community. Qualcomm found this, it's really amusing. Qualcomm announced an open-source subsidiary in 2009. And if any of you guys know about Qualcomm, if you don't, and this is, I think, kind of telling, you know, proudly proclaim, Qualcomm gets into open source and pigs begin to fly. So, basically, not a big fan, historically of open source, free software. So, what might happen under Trump? So, a lot of people have asked, a lot of conservative groups, have asked Trump to stop the FTC's action. And the effect that could have, sort of the knock-on effect, is that, you know, it could basically change how we see antitrust, basically fair trade thing, happening in the United States, which could affect a lot of free software companies. So, the FTC decided to file the suit, broke down on party lines, basically. And the chair, you can see there, who voted for this resigned in February. And, actually, I'm not sure she's resigned yet, she's resigned in a couple of days. The London Center has been appointed the chair of the FTC, and with this change, it's quite likely the FTC, excuse me, will give more broad permission to companies like Qualcomm to basically increase their patent litigation. O'Housen, excuse me, is critical of net neutrality and of regulation in general. I think this is sort of a common thread that we're gonna see throughout change in the administration. Regarding Obama's FTC, excuse me, she said that with one that pursued an antitrust agenda, that disregarded sound economics, basically made unsupported assertions of unfair competition. So, basically, she's expected Qualcomm, excuse me, more flexibility in how it capitalizes on its assets. So, she also discussed PAEs or patent trolls in her talk, and she said that these patent trolls have become the boogeyman of the patent world, and she worried that patent form would have harmed U.S. innovation. So, it's unclear what action she's gonna take about patent trolls, but basically, it's highly unlikely for freedom of the software companies to see meaningful patent reform over the next four years. Reducing risk. So, excuse me, no matter who you are as a company, no matter who you're working for, and whatever the size of your holdings, any company can be seriously challenged by a patent suit. You've seen this happen with Google and Oracle, you've seen this happen with Apple and lawsuits it's faced in several times over the last two years. So, no patent strategy is bulletproof, but there are many approaches to reducing risk. So, one which I find kind of novel, but I think is good as sort of a baseline thought process, is that patent trolls, if we look at patent trolls themselves, they don't produce goods, they don't sell services, and they don't participate in collaborative behaviors, and by doing this, they basically have no surface to sue. There's nothing to go after. So, most companies do in fact need to produce goods or services to stay in business, but avoiding certain activities, or at least thinking about what activities might be the most likely target for a troll or for patent litigation, is a useful exercise when you're developing patent strategy, and that can reduce your risk. There are a number of entities, a number of groups, as I mentioned, the Open Invention Network, I think some of you are familiar with them, that can reduce your risk in patent litigation. The Lot Network, who I work for, is a collaborative solution to dealing with patent trolls, and also reduce your patent risk. And the Open Patent Office, is Frédéric Quistier here? Hello, so he has a, I wanted to throw this in here, because I saw it on the slate, let's see his talk is coming up next, so he'll be giving a talk about this right afterwards, so stick around, and you can learn a bit more about how this is an alternative to a traditional patent office, and make it work out well as part of your patent strategy. There are a lot of other strategies, the EFF created a document called Hacking Patent System, a guide to alternative patent licensing for innovators. Not sure what happened with that, I think maybe HTML, that's a hyperlink there, and that might have knocked out my last bullet point, but this is a guide, I think it's a couple of years old, but it talks about a lot of different groups that are either a patent pool, a patent grant entity, a alternative to traditional patent licensing, for example, so there are a lot of different strategies you can just probably look in the EFF website for that document, and we'll give you a lot of different types of groups or strategies you could use to shape your patent strategy for your free open source software business. So I wanted to look at just one more patent suit that I thought was instructive, that was interesting and pertaining to freedom of source software. So CRISPR, how many of you guys familiar with biotechnology in CRISPR, have you heard about CRISPR, a few of you? So it's basically this technique in biotechnology that allows people to manipulate DNA. So there is basically a significant dispute, all you need to know over which researchers who were the originators of this technique and then who should have control of the patents vile to this, and this is big business, this is tens of billions of dollars of business here. So Harvard University and the Broad Institute are duking it out with Berkeley University and if you guys know, Harvard is on the east coast and Berkeley's on the west, so it's kind of got this east-west side feud. You can see Harvard the last couple of years has spent 15 million dollars and Berkeley has spent over five million, I think it's closer to seven now, and we're not even close to being done with this suit. So average cost for a lawsuit like this is estimated about seven million dollars, so you can tell that this lawsuit has been much more expensive than previous ones. What I think was really interesting about this case, so it's a biotech patent, a series of biotech patents, and deals with this technology, is that CRISPR is a tool for editing and rewriting DNA, so it can allow people to start to program a very coarse level DNA, genetic code. And what I think this is really important to us is that we're at this infancy with biotech manipulation, so right now we have to deal with hardware patents and software patents that might affect what we do as free software companies. And there are a lot of changes happening with software patents, hardware patents are a little more stable right now, but it's something that affects what businesses can exist, how businesses can innovate, how they can protect their inventions, and what free software can do in that space. So we've already started to see computer integration with human bodies, pacemakers, insulin pumps, other integration, but in the future we're gonna see microscopic changes, we're gonna see people hacking on the DNA inside our bodies. So the real question in my mind in terms of patent preparedness, in terms of free software companies taking an active part in the forefront essentially of freedom in programming and so forth, are we prepared to safeguard this? Are we prepared to be an active member in that? And I think the answer is not yet. So I think we need to become prepared very soon because this is sort of one of the next avenues for free software for genetic freedom, if you will. And it's something that we need to have in our minds going forward so that we can make smart decisions. The reality is there's no one-size-fits-all strategy dealing with patents. Fast companies need to prepare for your individual patent battles, your individual cases, but you also need to think about larger patent related topics, especially ones like sort of genetic programming that have ethical and economic ramifications. I think that it is incumbent essentially on us because of the thought that we put into our businesses, the thought that we put into our strategies of how we desire businesses and the ethics of what we do with hardware and software that it's important for us to think about the future and think about what important topics we need to stress and we need to bring to the forefront and talk with politicians, talk with our patent courts and so forth. Most fast companies don't have large legal departments, they don't have a large budget, but learning about the pertinent systems, learning about technologies is really the only strategy that will bring you long-term success. So, any questions? Excellent. Do you have any back there? Oh, should I give you a... Oh, okay. Just run up. So, the whole idea of patents made me a bit sick, but the idea that I like to take from here is should I try to patent the software and then pull it in a patent pool or just ignore that and continue pushing to GitHub as normal? Yeah, I mean, if those are the two options, then I would say consider filing the patent, although it's expensive. So, I think there are a lot more options than that, right? So, I think that this idea about the open patent, the next talk, are you put up to this? No, I'm just joking. But yeah, so I think that there are a lot of other options. There are a lot of companies that will make public disclosures, right? Or there are, yeah, several mechanisms, essentially, where you can basically file these defensive publications to basically describe, and I think several of them are in some ways describing like a patent. They describe a system mechanism, so forth, where you could basically deed something to the public domain, the comments, and that's probably at least a cheaper way of going forward, but you don't get your name on a patent. So, you know, maybe you file one patent and then you have your name on a patent. Anyone else right there? And so, I sell license exceptions to GPL as a business, and I deal with mostly US and German companies, the two biggest customers, but only the US actually ever requested things like indemnification, not the Germans. So, what are your thoughts on that? And sometimes I could have a bang around indemnifications with Andrew Katz, my outside legal counsel, and then I pay, eventually, sometimes, if it's big enough, I just charge them more and then I give up and give them the indemnification. So, I don't know if that's a good strategy or not, what are your thoughts on indemnification? I don't really have a big background on indemnification with GPL. I feel like that might be a question for Richard or someone of his ilk, I don't know if you want to weigh in on that, but I think it's interesting, but I don't know a lot about it, honestly. So, but what I would ask you is, I mean, is it a booming business for you? You know, is it something that is, yeah. So, I mean, if there's a large business right there, if it's something with a lot of money involved, then I think that it's something pertinent, we should be discussed, right?  So, excellent, in the back there. We need to have like a volleyball, like a soft volleyball that you put the mic in and you throw it at somebody. Josh has his- Oh, it's gonna patent it, it was. What's that visual? Oh, yeah, thank you. Hi there, it's not so much a question, although I suppose it is, in a way. It's been a long time since I've studied the EPC, but as I recall, the EPC more recently included very specific provisions in connection with biotech patenting. As I recall, a number of them came out of the uncle mouse, Dave Barkle. So, I would think that the realm, shall we say, of patenting in connection with biotech inventions is probably, or possibly even, more fuss-oriented as far as it's more difficult or more stricter to obtain biotech patents under the EPC than, for example, software-related ones. Oh, interesting, that's interesting. Yeah, I'm not as familiar with that and then biotech is also not my field, so it's a couple of beacons away, but right there. So, just a comment, really. There are organizations in the United States, intellectual property organizations, particularly the Intellectual Property Owners Association and the American Intellectual Property Law Association, that are absolutely horrified with Section 101 in the United States, which is the one that's invoked for not patentable subject matter. And they're working vigorously to reverse the Alice decision and then the Myriad decision. So, I just wanted to point out that there is a huge constituency of largely of patent lawyers and patent-owning companies that are working vigorously to sort of reverse the advantages of the interpretation of patents that have been advantageous to FOS, but there's a very large constituency working against that. Sure, yeah. And I guess one thing that I find interesting and maybe it's partially the nature of software patents, it's partially the nature of how patents apply to this space that what seems like sometimes very small movements on the dial can have a very large impact, whereas in other spaces, it seems like things are much more grained, they're much more coarse, but minute changes can have a huge impact on such a vast amount of economic space. So, I'd like to follow up with you on that, Pam. Are you suggesting that these organizations are trying to solidify Section 101 machine transformation test to like validate that for software? Yes, and the IPO just recently came out with a public, I believe someone can help me out maybe here, was it a draft statute, some draft language that they wanted in order to make 101 apply back again to software patents or to sort of reverse the effect of Alice Amiriad. So, the IPO has come out with a statement, AIPLA is working on one right now and I expect we'll have it come out shortly. Give them a dislike. Yeah. Yeah, but remember how powerful their voice is. Sure. Those are the most powerful players are coming out of this statement. Sure. At a certain point in your presentation, you mentioned and you suggested to avoid patentable activities as far as possible, but what do you actually mean by patentable activities?  Oh, certainly, yeah. And as I said, I feel like I can maybe have written that slide better.  It seems like basically, patent rolls are very slippery, right? They're very good at basically having no surface which one can use to litigate against them. So what, in that sense, what I was saying was, it was, we could learn from them, not necessarily by following their footsteps per se, but learn from what they do to make themselves have less of a surface for being, having litigation. And obviously, you know, if you want to innovate in space and you should, then you can, may better understand what your risk is, right? What your likelihood of being sued is.  But I think that from sort of fundamental level, starting with the idea of, yeah, what is patentable, what will, what is most likely for someone to seize upon and sue you for, for what actions, I think that that should be a part of the equation in your mental calculus. Excellent. Any more questions? Comments? Is everyone still awake? I'm impressed? I probably wouldn't be. Oh. No, if there's no one else, I still have a second question. Yeah. Which is, I mean, you mostly focus on patent roles, but one of the reasons why you may want to patent or your patent portfolio, even if you are a free software company, is that you have commercial competitors that have been ruthlessly patenting everything it might use that to actually value you in court, so you might want to have some other patents related to your same field and try to negotiate something. So would that be, it may make sense and I mean, does that change anything if you're not going again, I mean being harassed by a patent role, but by a competitor? Sure, sure, and that's, it's a good question. In my experience, a lot of companies working in the free software space and open source space don't seek those kinds of patents. Instead they seek relationships with entities that do have patents or maybe they seek a few of them, but that in essence they try to participate in the sphere of what is patentable and dealing with patents by not being as involved in that space and seeking other ways to reduce their risk or reduce their chances of being sued. So hopefully that answers your question. Anybody else? A dying question, a thought. Okay, great, thanks Robert. Yeah, thank you guys.


Today we're going to talk about the truly hard seltzer lemonade Hey there njbrew22.com here with another low carb keto carnivore chat combo booze review And this is the truly spiked lemon aid Mix pack or whatever I'm going to make it brief here. We really like this stuff the way it tastes. I guess normal people the normies will enjoy it however We're probably not going to buy it again number one we has an artificial sweetener in it, which makes it it gives an artificial Even though it's natural. It's still a fake way of making something taste better It has stevia and I never really liked stevia too much I suppose I could use this as a mixer in some drinks to improve the flavor a little as long as you don't over do it And it also has a decent five percent Alcohol with those awful skinny cans, but we're probably not going to keep it in in rotation unless we're Like I always say the liquor stores closing in five minutes and that's the only thing they sell I'll deal with it for a night your mileage will vary. I think the reason this is so popular is because of that artificial It's not uh, it doesn't come from nature. You have to make it. It's man-made a man-made sweetener We're just not going to do it anymore. It's also three grams of carbs which over a course of a 12 pack It's a a dozen or more Grams of carbs in a little short period that you would get over like a smirnoff seltzer or something like that So that's it. We're not we don't recommend it. It's not bad. You may like it, but you're everybody's mileage will vary So if you like the video hit the bell and subscribe. I'll see you next time


Hi, this is Pastor David O'Sullivan of Calvary Chapel of the Chino Valley, California. In the book of Ecclesiastes, chapter 5, verse 1, Solomon wrote, Walk prudently when you go to the house of God and draw near to hear, rather than give the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they do evil. This is great insight and encouragement from the wisest man outside of Jesus himself, whoever lived. Solomon had been commenting on what he has seen over his lifetime. He's mentioned that he has seen injustice, envy, loneliness, and the transience of power and popularity. As he witnessed and experienced so many things in life, he had come to see that life under the sun, a phrase intended to communicate a life without God, even if outwardly successful, is simply filled with vanity, a grasping, he says, for the wind. He has now paid a visit to the temple and while there he observed the worshipers. As he observed them, he could not help but notice that many were not sincere. He noticed that they would offer sacrifices but didn't keep their vows to God. He saw this as hypocrisy, but they didn't seem to see it themselves. As he noted this, he became aware of how they seemed to be oblivious to the fact that they were offending God. As he observes this, he's moved to issue a warning. Walk prudently when you go into the house of God. Walk prudently is another way of saying, watch your step. Solomon was making it clear that we should never worship God in a careless manner. As he watched them casually approaching worship, he told them to be cautious in their behavior as they approached God. To walk prudently means to prepare our hearts as we come before the Lord in worship. We are to approach the worship of God carefully and not in a casual, flippant manner. This is the right relationship between creature and creator when of humility before him. We are to be humble before him because he is God and we aren't. The psalmist said it well when he said in Psalm 144, verse 3, Oh Lord, what is man that you care for him, the son of man that you think of him? The obvious answer is man is nothing in comparison to how great and holy you are. With this in mind, Solomon exhorts those who worship God to do so in a humble fashion. He also makes it clear that we are to come prepared to hear from him. Genuine worship occurs when we have devoted our hearts and wills to him. This is made possible when we have taken time to prepare to meet him in worship. For those of you who regularly attend church services, I would encourage you to resist rushing around at the last minute getting ready to go to church. We should use our time wisely so we can be spiritually prepared to meet with our God. It helps if we can do the practical things ahead of time if possible. For Sunday services, try to prepare for church on Saturday night by getting the clothes ready ahead of time. Put the kids in bed on time, organize the time it takes to get ready for church, give yourself enough driving time to get there, and do your best to prepare your heart to worship in song and come ready to hear God's word. Well, I can hear some of you now. You're saying this isn't possible.  We know that it's possible, but you have to work at it. I didn't say it was easy. I do know that it is possible when it's a priority. Well, with that said, Solomon also instructs us to draw near to hear. This speaks of preparing our hearts as we approach God's word in order to hear him speak to us. The word here speaks of a person understanding. It speaks of being obedient or discerning. It speaks of perceiving. It seems to me that many Christians do not realize that when God's word is properly taught, God is actually speaking to his people. This is something many fail to understand. Bible studies simply talks from the teacher's heart, but are in reality times when God himself speaks. In Matthew chapter 10 verses 19 and 20, Jesus said, when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak for. It will be given to you in that hour what you should speak for. It is not you who speak but the spirit of your Father who speaks in you. Believers are to carefully approach the Lord as we come to receive from him. We need to remember that we're meeting with the Lord of the universe and though we can enter into his throne room confidently, we do not come in casually. When Moses first encountered God, God let him know that coming into his presence was not to be done without fear, without reverence. In Exodus chapter 3 verse 5, God said to Moses, do not draw near this place.  We need to remember that meeting with God is not simply haphazardly approaching him. Yes, he's our Father and we are his children and he has welcomed us to approach him. But the way that he made it possible for us to do so was through the painful and bloody sacrifice of his precious son. This should be the undergirding realization of every child of God that our entrance into his presence came at great cost. And when we understand this, we will actually have reverence as we approach him. In the end, we do not want to give what Solomon refers to as a sacrifice of fools, which is an offering made without obedient faith. He's saying, prepare your heart as you enter into your time of worship. Come with a heart to hear as well as to obey. Remember that God's word instructs and heals. So do not come with an attitude of listening without obeying. In the end, God sees completely through it because only a fool can think that he can deceive God. When you come, come with a heart to hear and a heart to do. And remember, God has said, I desire mercy and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God more than burned offerings. Let us not be as those spoken of in Matthew 15, verse 8, where Jesus said, these people draw near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. May we hear and may we obey what the Spirit is saying to the church today. This is Pastor David Rosales of Calvary Chapel of the Chino Valley.