All right, we're preparing the luncheon meeting. Good night. Shawl off. Great. So, welcome everybody. Hello. Welcome everybody here on the first edition of the Segal talks. My name is Frank Henschkern. I'm the director of the artistic director of the Segal center. And this is a big moment for us. As you all know, like so many others, our Segal center is completely closed. The greatest center is closed. CUNY universities are closed here in New York. It's a ghost town. And it's a new situation. We live in this time of Corona. And we all have to start making sense and think about making art, maybe also really take a time to think it is important. We are overwhelmed, I think, with so many things, but it's a global crisis. So many of our fellow artists are in a completely different and new situation. So I'm honored to have today for the first time here on our Segal talk, Kristen Martin from the art center, the great New York incubator of the downtown arts. And of course, the brilliant and great Taylor Mack, who was also part of the landscape. Of course, a big, big rock here in New York. So thank you guys both for coming and welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. Yeah. So what's happening? Maybe we start with Kristen. Kristen, the art center most probably lights are out. It's dark. The place that's normally bustling like a beehive. What's happening? Tell me. Well, we had to close our doors on March 12th along with the slew of other theaters that day. So we had to close our doors on March 12th. We had to close our doors on March 12th. We had to close our doors on March 13th. And we had a wonderful group from France. And they were able to do their first performance. And then they weren't able to continue. They did a very beautiful thing that night. And they did a showing for our staff only. Before packing up and going back to France. And we did manage to get them all home early. As we had hoped. We had to close our doors on March 12th. We had to close our doors on March 13th. We had to close our doors in these times. And so. It's been really beautiful and fun. And invigorating to connect with our artists. Past, present and future. And it's been also really beautiful to see how many audience members are tuning in to the online activities. We've had over 15,000 people connect to the online programming that we started just on March 16th. So that's been really. I think it's been really beautiful. And it was a beautiful experience. It was a really beautiful feeling at a time that is very challenging for all of us. And for the world. But to find a way to still connect as a community has meant a lot. And how's your family? How was your, what's what's, how, what are you dealing with on that front? We're all here. My son is home from college, obviously, because his college is shutdown. to help with that and we're cooking great meals every night to keep ourselves positive and seeing friends for Zoom parties and stuff and my mom's a couple blocks away and we face time with her and walk six feet apart from her but we're that's what we're into here in this strange desert town of a city like you said. Yeah such such a radical change of all of us in this theater. The theater is about communication it's about community and not having that Taylor what's happening where you cannot imagine you in not leaving an apartment? Well I'm actually in Massachusetts right now hanging out and just all I'm every day all I do is I'm working on this thing called the Trigalup NYC which is just I got the idea as everything was shutting down and worked with a bunch of other people Christian one of them to help make it happen and in a week's time we we put this site up where we've got over 50 donating artists who have donated content for the site original and exclusive content for it and we're raising money for artists who are in need right now today we just picked our first it's not a prize it's commissioning so we're going to be commissioning somebody with $10,000 to make more content for the site and we just were able to do that today we picked the first person today so so that's nice even though it's modest it's something it feels like something that instead of just hibernating I was able to do on my hunky little cell phone on the internet because we don't even have wi-fi I'm on a dirt road off a dirt road but but it's it feels it feels nice to participate in some way in all of this so that's good and you know just trying to find the creative solution to all of it yeah tell us a bit but it's like a subscription based yeah it's how does it work what's the idea what was it inspired by um well it was it was inspired a little bit by a few things Elizabeth Suidos was a mentor of mine and she put my name forward for a grant years ago the pdrs read grant it was my first grant I ever got and before that moment for the first kind of 33 years of my life I was always living week to week and as an adult even as a kid I wasn't quite sure how I was going to eat every week and so before that time and then after Liz put my name forward for this grant and I got it I I've never had that fear I've always been ahead you know I flattened the curve of my financial stress you know and so I've always been able to eat since then since I was 33 and I got that $7,000 so to me it was about what can we do to change people's lives so we can take that element out of out of their lives and there's so and it wasn't I didn't have to apply for the grant I had to fill out a form once I was told I basically got it but I didn't it was just I just got the money you know so it wasn't there was there was very limited variety it was just there was very the gatekeeping was artist to artist it wasn't panel or or it wasn't a giant board or anything like that all deciding how these things work it was just like this person can help this person so that's what inspired it and also that I overheard a young woman in a theater lobby say that that yesterday she had three jobs and today she has zero jobs and I thought you know this is a person who's living week to week how are they going to survive they don't you know I don't didn't know her finances but I assumed you know that she didn't have enough to like weather this storm so we're just figuring out what what we can do it's a subscription base so you pay $10 at the very least of what we offer options where you can pay more if you're if you're game to it's $10 a month or we have a $25 a month option and you can also just donate if you want to and you don't want to subscribe but I think it's amazing to subscribe because the content is unlike anything you'll see in any kind of other subscription based art site or you know entertainment site so it's a bit like a Netflix for for downtown artists where you subscriptionally based artists will be paid as Netflix commissions you know writers screenwriters directors has no alternative way yeah and basically how it works is every time we we make $10,000 we give it away that's it's that simple so once it's $10,000 it gets to the next person yeah um Kristen you you are in touch with countless armed artists especially of course from New York what's the situation what do you hear from your peers from colleagues what's the situation well I mean it's really dire um it was really good news on Friday that the freelance people are included in this bill but when we were starting this we had no idea of that to be the case and from what I'm hearing a lot of people are still having trouble that is particularly here in New York that the site keeps crashing and even when you call on the phone line there's problems so I think it's still hard to to get the unemployment but basically every single artist I know their gigs are gone and they're gone for the foreseeable future um almost every artist I know is also not being paid for gigs that they were engaged in for this month even so it's with no notice so like the complete security net has fallen out for our community um and I think it's a it's a really dire situation um and I think that's the reason that so many artists were game to be part of this project I mean the 50 artists that agree to participate are phenomenal people from all different walks of life um but I think all of them have been in that spot at one time or another where you don't you don't know how you're going to even buy your groceries and I think that that's why 50 people were like yes I will I will I will give content to help make this happen um and create this for our community and I think it shows the um the loyalty of the community that some of the people that are subscribing are artists that are like in pretty dire straits so when we were looking at the list it was really moving to see the list of people who've subscribed to paying the ten dollars a month right now even though they're some of the people that were very that were hoping to help you know it's very remarkable yeah and the videos yeah the videos are really lovely like Taylor is saying like the people are sharing something that's what they're feeling right now in response to what's going on or a recent work that you haven't been exposed to yet and there's a level of like intimacy that is really beautiful and not it's not produced and it's not fancy most of it is very personal and heartfelt and it's some of our greatest theater makers right now who are sharing that content with us maybe some names of people who are involved two-time Pulitzer prize-winning playwright Lynn Nottage there's tons of my Carther winners like Sarah Rule and Dominique Mariso and Basil Twist just put some stuff up there Sharon Bridgeforth wonderful playwright poet we got Annie Baker and Helga Davis Everett Rachel Trafkins sings Puff the Magic Dragon to her baby and she's just gave us a new video too so we're gonna put that up tomorrow I think we're gonna yeah yeah I mean it's just so many different kinds of people that the goal was to ask people who kind of are rooted in the off-broadway off-off-broadway performance art scene in New York so that it's very grassroots so that even if they've exploded their careers have exploded they kind of are rooted in this world so that they're connected to the people that we want to help you know yeah so in a way for sure also is a time for us all of us to think because we are forced to stop in the middle of our tracks and as Kristen said almost immediately a show starts the one evening the next day it's closed what are you guys thinking what's what is on your mind what how do you make sense of it for this world what is what are your thoughts you want to go Kristen sure um thanks Taylor I mean I think that we're in like literally a reset button has been pressed a pause button has been pressed and we have to examine as a field how we go forward as a city how we go forward as a country as a world how we go forward I think that if there were ever any doubts about our global connectedness those are those are dismissed you know no one will think that anymore that we're not globally connected and I think that we're in a time where we really have to think about what getting together means what what community means and how we can define and create community in different ways because I think that we're in our homes at least here in New York City I think we're in our homes at least another six to eight weeks um I hope it's not going to be that long but I think it's likely you know um so I think we have to think about as a field how we survive you know um every organization that is a nonprofit arts organization that shut down right now is in a cash crisis um of some sort um there's and that is also the other people that are in our field and how they're paid and how they continue to be able to to pay their rent and participate as citizens in our economy I mean it's it's it's a vast moment for examination and for assessment yeah and I um I just keep I just keep thinking about the creative solution to every you know that's my that's my technique I learned in the clubs as you know in I call it incorporating the calamity you know so um I'd be performing in the club and on my ukulele and then two two guys would be having sex over here and the whole audience is watching the guys have sex right because it's gay club so it's just fun that's part of the energy of it but you know if something is threatening to take the story away from the storyteller then you have to figure out a way to incorporate that threatening thing into the story at all costs right or otherwise it steals the story and recently it's been the trump administration and trump who've been stealing the story from the american people and now it's this pandemic um and uh and so we have to figure out a way to incorporate the story into our that story into our lives um and and make something out of it I mean that's that's the only way I know how to how to survive uh emotionally um uh but maybe even uh economically you know um how we all can do that together so so that's I just like we're creative people I mean Rachel's thing at the Tony Awards Rachel Chetkin's thing you know where she said it's diversity is in our field is a failure of imagination in a field where you know our job is to be imaginative and I think that's one of the great things about being a creative is that okay let's hunker down let's figure out what we can do how can we how can we um create solutions to the problems and um rather than trying to make us all go back to the way things were uh how do we move forward um and so that's uh that's what I'm all I'm meditating on almost every day is is that yeah and I I love what you just said Taylor and I feel like we're in a time where um you can tackle what you can tackle and I think like trickle up was is such a beautiful project because you had this idea of how can we help people and and and it's really on a grassroots artist to artist level the artists that are donating videos are selecting an artist to receive a commission you know and it's a one-to-one relationship and it's getting $10,000 into one person's hands in our first week and hopefully we're going to repeat that as quickly as possible you know to get through the 50 artists that are going to get this funding and that's with the support of the community that that can happen and it's a one-to-one person-to-person relationship and you can solve a problem on a one-to-one person-to-person level and then the other thing we're trying to do in terms of uh colleges uh universities um uh is figure out some kind of academic uh price for it or something like that so the students can have access to the material because it's really educational I mean to see uh Matt may or read cut material from an Annie Baker play that's not something you're going to see uh anywhere out you're not going to see that on Netflix so um I think that's really uh something that um it's going to benefit our community in the long run not just financially but also the way that we share work with each other so uh that's something that's our one of our next stages I'm trying to figure that out and if anyone out there wants to help and knows how we can get access to the academic people let us know yeah maybe to offer like a subscription base like others do at online and then people who are registered as students can go I'm happy to to receive our library or department can help and I'm certainly uh could do that but that's I mean it was Peter Brook who said you know Stephen is when there are two people in a room and someone watches some people now say maybe you don't even need someone to watch it's like brights you know uh educational place but there are two people in the room you watch and that's gone it's like the essentialists play piano but there are no strings still we have to do what what does it what does it mean for you guys to think about theater and what it is that's it do you think it will be different let's say we come out of it will that be a different well I mean theater's different now right I mean it's certainly different from how it was with the Greeks where it was um all the everybody that was in the military when it was only men that got to go uh it was in these huge amphitheaters you know uh and and they were accomplished right so that's all kind of changed although I will say being on Broadway felt like I was in a reality TV show competitive TV show but that's another that's a conversation for another day but uh but you know so I think things have changed already and now they're gonna change again and then they're gonna change again and so the room now right now is a box right it's like our little computer boxes and our cell phones and my my dear friend Glenn Marla was a wonderful performer and um performance artist and puppeteer and uh Glenn Marla who uh decided that he wanted to do uh he was tired of looking at his face in a box and so he was going to have his chosen face in a box so he had makeup night he created this whole clown persona right so that when he has these zoom meetings he can have chosen face in a box you know that is theater that is performance art whether or not it's two people in a room that can touch each other physically that it's still people in the people in a box touching each other at least emotionally and intellectually personally you're saying here art center will be different will you make different choices it's really I really don't know yet um right now I'm just trying to be very alive with the artists and the programming that we're able to do right now and as we learn more um we'll figure out how to navigate that next terrain you know we um every show we do is different whether it's a piece where you come in that is immersive and your data is being integrated into the score and into the visuals or you're moving all around the space and every nook and cranny like we did with Taylor's Lily's Revenge or with Zoey Martinson's recent Black History Museum like so we're we're gonna have to re-examine what our relationship is to the audience again that's part of what we do all the time it's scary for sure about what this next thing's going to be and how long we're all going to be living with it um and when people will feel comfortable walking into a theater again and sitting next to other strangers um that's a it's it's it feels very uh the reports are so all over the place it's very hard to understand what our future looks like um but it makes you re-examine your present in an interesting way and find ways to function and create and feel that we have so many more tools now to keep us going than Shakespeare did you know um the Nelizabethans did uh that we can even have this meeting right now is something that they wouldn't have been able to do when they were dealing with their plagues so um so I guess you know I I'm I'm obnoxious with my hope but I I I do I I'm one luck we're all gonna die that nobody gets out alive so we might as well uh try to figure out the best possible way to live you know I think Shakespeare yeah I think he was born in the time when the plague started he wrote something king lear under quarantine I mean artists have been and be working but I'm still um Kristen are you going to give different themes to artists or do they choose what they do is there already are things coming in where you feel this is a corona related uh aesthetic uh choice or production of course production methods are changing clearly but what's with all content is there something you detect what's coming in um well we've been making a sequential community video um I'm I'm sure a bunch of people have seen the really beautiful video that was made with like 40 choreographers and they each finish a phrase and the next choreographer picks up the next phrase so we were inspired by that so we started the BAM for Joe Manila's BAM thing yeah so yeah so um we were very inspired by that so we asked uh 10 artists to uh create a 10 second clip um but multidisciplinary um and so it's called the series is called co-video and the first one was called co-video social distancing and um so for the last 10 days we've had each little 10 second clip up one at a time but today um the whole video is revealed and is on our Facebook and our Instagram um it has amazing people our associate artistic director Amanda Siklowski, Basil Twist, Christina Campanella, Highting Chet, like just amazing range of folks um so that's exciting um so and our second one is going to be called flat on the curve and Lisa DeMora is the first one on flat on the curve so we're going to be launching those every couple of weeks and you can see the little 10 second clips every day so that's one thing that we're all doing together even though we're not together so that's a new thing for us to be doing it's an exquisite corpse video collaborations across disciplines um we're uh doing a live stream Taylor did our first one last week um and Sarah Farentine did one this past Friday so every Friday we're going to have an artist sharing something that is new or old or that is in response to the times or not for 10 or 15 minutes this Friday will be Rajah Feather Kelly um so you know we're just trying to find our way I'm working on a zoom opera with Kamala Shankaram and Rob Handel the zoom opera is is is going to have six performers and it'll be live streams on the here site in a couple of weeks I think we're going I think we're going April 24th but we're having a lot of fun rehearsing it you know over zoom we're figuring that out finding out what the time delays are for singing and music because it's an opera so it's it's super fun so no one will see each other in the entire rehearsal process and the opening at here art center will be on a screen yep they're gonna well we see each other like we're seeing each other right now yeah yeah and so that is amazing the question is will theaters or performing arts places now create permanently kind of an online digital presence will it be just the time of a corona or would it be something you also for i mean brecht wrote about said his theater is for the the children of the new technological age we now live in a digital age you know and for the children this is theater for the children of the digital age perhaps also still toys are us a little bit you know but i'm sure it will getting serious so perhaps and that's what i think there will be no longer just in time of a crisis when you can't do anymore that maybe will be a new side i'm like me of opera there's ballet there is drama that might be the online presence do you think this will happen or seems like it's it's already happened before this most of the theaters i know have some kind of online presence and you know everyone's always trying to stream they're always trying to get me to stream my work i'm always saying no no no no you know it's a lot but it's different if you're a live performer or activist you know and but now you know well we don't have that option right now until we come up with the creative solution so you know i would say see on the other side or at the creative solution so um so i i think uh yeah the people will continue this is great that that the hero at center can get 15 000 people to come and check out their stuff in in a week isn't what the isn't normally what the hero at center can do because the capacity is only 100 people right so so that's that's incredible that they can reach more people um yeah you know i don't i think i don't think we're gonna lose the we're not destined to lose that we we get to hang out with each other um physically in a room uh if that's true then then humanity is dead you know like i mean we're gonna figure this out at some point because people have to procreate so i think we'll figure that aspect out we'll all be able to hang out in a room together again uh you know whether it's a couple months from now or or a couple years well it'll happen you know so but it's exciting that in some ways that the i love the unions but that the union rules have kind of laxed a little bit that are helping people be able to put their work out um that uh uh just in this time right now until we can figure out how to how to still support the artists after this time and i think it's um uh i i i think it's gonna open up doors in terms of from audiences to venues and in larger ways and people becoming aware of organizations more that they would normally because everyone's home you know looking at boxes yeah i'd like to echo uh what what taylor was talking about in terms of unions because i do feel like that is an obstacle in some of the disciplines it's not in all though so like our online programming is dance uh music and puppets because they're not under equities jurisdiction but we're not showing any of the theater stuff um because we weren't allowed to film it so that is that is an obstacle right now in the theater field that there isn't very much that can be shared there's there's situations in which you're allowed to do documentary versions but you can't you can't show it in these in this context and there is some live streaming that's happening where the unions are doing new regulations they're making it possible but um equity has been so against the videotaping that actually it's deserving parts of our field right now in terms of being able to share our work with our communities oh don't hear you i'm sure for for trickle up and nobody asked the unions you know if it's okay i guess you you went ahead um and yeah because it's all how is that working it's the level of like instagram video it's not um you know it's uh uh it's not people are aren't performing necessarily like matt mayer isn't like uh he's not performing something that uh the production of the flick you know on video he's reading some cut material um so it's different i think uh we're not we kind of escape the rules that way because we're not we're not taking money away from artists based on putting this content that wouldn't have existed otherwise so that's that's the difference it's like when people try to make money off of free labor from actors then then that that's kind of crappy but um based on the success of the actor's sweat equity that they put into a production or something like that but this is more just like journal sharing and things like that so um it's uh i think it's it's slightly different kind of thing and it's it's actually filmmaking so it's not really um it's not i wouldn't call it theater i would call it uh it's i don't know what you call these films these i would call it shorts we're making shorts i like that digital journal are you both journaling are you writing things down what happens i don't have time i'll do is write people emails i am in love with arts administrators and creative producers right now because uh i see how much work they have to do and how many questions they have to answer that they already answered in another email but they have to do it again because everybody reads emails differently but maybe let's talk a bit also about new york theater i think every crisis perhaps crystallizes you know what's already wrong or catastrophic like you know the hospital crisis show uh the government for decades you know has starved hospitals all over the world there's less and less money available in europe especially and one of the reasons that the virus spreads is perhaps also because of that new york theater we all complain always there's no money and no space and now it is truly there's no space and there is no money but what did you feel was wrong anyway and what should be really changed if there's something comes out that a government or a civic society or a city of new york the citizens as we need a new theater for new time what do you feel was so wrong and is there a chance to do something better we usually are a community um like all the theater companies like we have a an artistic directors poker game that's existed for like 10 years there's an artistic directors breakfast that's been going for about three or four years now um there's a slack channel that we started once covid started so that we could all share what we were learning as quickly as possible there's a group of us writing um city and state and federal officials together with a bunch of us like 50 or 60 or 80 theaters signed on to it so i think that crises like these like 9 11 this but this is like 9 11 on steroids it's not 9 11 it's so much bigger but um it that's what robert lions said i'm quoting robert lions when i say that uh from new ohio theater um but but we're we're having to come together because we know by coming together we can be stronger than if we're out on our own we're not in competition with each other we're in collaboration with each other to figure out how to solve this together and how as a community we can work to solve it together um so i i just think we're all gonna show our best leadership and our best listening skills and our best collaboration to get us to the other side of it yeah yeah i don't know i don't know it's interesting i have no energy in me to think about how things were wrong before like i just like like of course i had my complaints about how the industry worked before a couple weeks ago but uh they all seem so trivial now so i don't know i'm just happy that everyone's trying to figure it out together right now yeah and i mean i got an email from the mat i sometimes go to the opera and they said donate we are struggling and i wrote back i would like to but is it true and i once read that that the chief electrician gets 1.5 million dollars a year you know as a salary i think a distribution you know of resources perhaps you know um should be different and i think uh that the vital community that also makes new york new york a community that as Hilary Miller in her book shows you know really also in the 70s and 80s was there to save new york they made the contribution they did not leave they made it a city where you know art was possible and made it ultimately attractive to become what it is now it was on the brink of going broke at that time it was a dangerous time and a group of great citizens and leaders helped new york and so i feel that this is also a moment i think where the people in charge of distributing the resources and they will be scarce but also to really think this is a community that of course we love Lincoln Center we love the great institutions but that also the work what you guys do what you're involved in will get more more more attention and support and i think this is something i hope that also will emerge because you guys are going on you're doing the work most probably the big institutions are closed i i don't follow everything and maybe there's some kind of online presence but creative work is happening in small spaces as always but also you you are proof of it we had just a couple of weeks ago the great christian lupa a great polish theater director who talked about his work and also back to Kantor whose rehearsals he watched for the dead class and he talked about and also in other interviews that a theater should be you watch a corpse you know you stay something in the room in the middle you try you realize all the sudden what's life and what's that he said this is what i want audiences kancha said to to look like it's an old buddhist i think also supposedly saying you spend a night you know with the corpse and so now in a way i feel something like this is happening and really people are dying people we know they die premature they die with the virus because not just because of it they already have conditions but still really people are dying and um it's scary and i'm concerned you know for loved ones as you know i'm sure you see kirsten's mother with 75 you said or 74 and others you know i'm sure she's fine but will this will this 74 yeah i'm sorry but will will this perhaps you know also is that a moment for us who make theater and theater ultimately makes gives meaning gives sense sharing an experience with the audience will will that make us uh better theater makers or do you feel um theater already was good but just not heard no i don't i can't i heard this pundit one time on the cnn the wood blitzer asked him you know what's going to happen with the election and the pundit said uh i don't know i'm not clairvoyant that's not my job and wood blitzer said well that is our job here at cnn and our jobs tell the people what is going to happen and you know i screamed at the um television on the plane that's not your job you're not supposed to make the news you're supposed to report on the news so in some ways i um i guess i'm i i don't really want to predict what the if if we'll get better or not i just want to hunker down and try to um be as good as i can and uh and hopefully um find people that are wanting to do the same you know and support the people that um are wanting to make good work i mean one thing that i'm seeing from all of this uh is uh i i i feel more intimately connected to everybody than um than the kind of uh competitive rat race that uh you can so easily fall into in the city so that's um that's been nice i and i hope that we continue that way i at least for a few months after all this would be nice to not feel like we're in competition with each other and instead we're just all trying to figure something out together because that's really all arts ours that's all the arts are i think it's just people trying to figure out how to live a virtuous life in an unvirtuous world you know mm-hmm yeah i really second that and i think that you know doing this project has been a labor of love to help idealistically go for something as a group and the group of people working with nigel smith and emily morse and morgan janas blakeside out like the amazing people to think through this project this brainchild of taylor but for each of us are adding our own little bits to helping to make it come together and it's been a really beautiful affirming project in this time where that it's really easy to only see the darkness but i think that there's a lot of humanity and hope um that we all carry within us and that we can share with each other right now yeah and and the other thing is that it's an idea that seems so obvious you know subscription-based performance work individual videos to make money so that you can commission artists that need money to make more work that seems like such an obvious idea but it wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic so so in some ways i think of course many other things are going to spring forth that uh should have been obvious to us but that uh orange and and now are becoming obvious and and so i i you know lear debesine talks about the the um uh hayley flanagan yes flanagan's hold what was the wpa the wpa um and and she's been trying to revitalize that you know for a number of years now and um you see how oh this could actually help make this happen the fact that the pandemic is happening we could actually get a real support even despite trump you know uh we could actually we could put people to work again to make theater uh in a serious way and um there's an opportunity here so i i i i i hear what you're saying that um this could create opportunity in a lot of ways just i think we also should perhaps talk on the on the political you know us artists and artistic producers maybe also for our global listeners you know what is your evaluation of the political situation what we are in now and um also that kind of tsunami we are in without even corona um what what do you feel how will that turn out what will what will happen here in american how do you feel as artists in that society we live in um i don't know i'm trying not to know so much stuff i'm trying to just like oh taylor we've lost you oh now you're back now you're back i was just saying i don't know i'm i'm trying to just wonder more i'm i'm we're working on this piece at the art center about socrates and socrates always said he's you know why is this person in the world because he's the only one who will admit that he doesn't know anything you know and um and uh and yeah that's kind of how i'm feeling right now is i don't know anything right now i'm just experimenting but i'm really happy that a bunch of people are going to experiment um with me and that i get to experiment in their projects and i guess that's that's where i'm at in that in that consideration right now i'm with you christin yeah i i mean i am a director by craft and i've been a uh a co-conceiver and co-creator with other people but i'm not usually the one that i'll adapt language but i'm not usually the one generating language but i've been starting to do that in this time that feels helpful so i did like a totally crazy thing and i shared something that i wrote um that's going to be up on trickle up you know what i'm so nervous all these people are going to see it but i did it you know so i just think you know it's a time to like put ourselves out there and to take risk and um i um when trump got elected i left a lot of my arts boards and i started serving on the community board because i felt like i could have more of an impact in that arena at that time i wanted to be more involved with grassroots politics um i've continued um to to serve on the community board and to get involved with things um thinking about uh volunteering with the city council member to get involved in different ways there um i i think that the the national arena is not the place where i feel like i can make a difference or what i think um can carry um right now so i'm looking at how local can i have impact local um and feel like um i'm someone who can contribute something to the conversation and i can learn from what's being discussed and learn from the processes that other people are going through so yeah just um from our we can also submit questions it's to seattle talks at gmail.com and vg march since she wants to see the link of the site taylor is talking about i think it should be if you watch on hull round it should be uh below the screen again thanks to hull round and emerson college for for hosting um this talk um it's just uh www.trickleupnyc.com trickleupnyc.com yeah he got an email from rebecca frost oh sorry .org .org we haven't quite set up the .com yet okay so it's gonna be but it's trickle up nyc.org nyc.org so we have a message from rebecca frost from minneapolis and she thinks the university of minnesota could be also helpful uh to subscribe and their students would be interested in this and any person send it a question she watched the 10 videos and the quality or the best idea she she likes they largely stem from what is rather than constructing a new reality and um she says they take up very little physical space and they are like a brief haiku and so unintentionally you're knowing uh intentionally you have created a new theatrical form that could be described as short form amateur videos of existing material or very wet paint with little regard for the how of the presentation so um she thinks uh want to know if you agree have you not seen her forward as a form is that um I don't think you know if you if you think you've nudged it you aren't the one who's nudged it so I'm not the one to say that we'll let the people decide that in 50 years but um but uh circumstances are I do find it fascinating I find the video is really beautiful and fascinating to watch um I think it's maybe because the the generosity of spirit is about trying to help other people as opposed to promote yourself so much um which is what Instagram tends to be more about is that you're promoting a product or yourself or yourself through a product and these just tend to be people really just sharing their um sharing their art uh with a lot of humility and yeah the amateur um quality of the filmmaking and some of them aren't some there's a couple that are quite um beautiful linodges has a combination of both the amateur sitting in front of a screen but also um editing and and uh beautiful other film elements involved in it and tie to foes also has all this beautiful animation that comes in um so uh that that that that kind of um real professional in terms of the the uh and when I say professional I just mean like considered um but considered art of some someone like Sarah a rural reading a poem that she's worked really hard on but the the the vulnerability in the humanity of not every element is um as polished as the poem is quite beautiful it's the juxtaposition that I've been going for my entire career is how do you put virtuosity and imperfection on the stage at the same time so I think that's what's quite beautiful about um the videos as as I see them yeah you know they are great and I think a great way to to to work and also to stay um to stay in contact I mean it's our first uh seagull talks we should have prepared something that at least we could see one video on the screen but we will get to it and maybe we can once in a while play one of the one of the things to remind people of it and uh oh this is what I also can I just say this too that the that we're not just raising money for artists who are um um this is the one thing that I think could change that would be great is the gatekeeping of of um our of the arts field and um and that we're not just raising money for artists who are established or who um whose gigs all got canceled that we're doing that too we're we're trying to do that for those people as well but we're also raising money for the person who um whose gig who is an artist who's an amazing guitar player or whatever but uh they didn't have a gig their gig was busboying you know being a busboy and so like we want to we're trying to share the space with everybody and that's um that's that's our hope is that we can um give gigs to somebody like that as well as somebody who's uh got the 20 years of experience or you know who's um and and then there's another beautiful thing is our dear friend clove um uh offered uh Ruth Malachek videos you know that have never been seen before so hopefully we'll be able to put up some video of Ruth Malachek um uh you know so I think there's a historical um room for this and there's also room for it for it for the past to be in dialogue with the present um as well and um it's just it's quite sweet you know yeah could be a great archive like kennisgoldsmithsubu.com site you know that is a fantastic collection which he has a conceptual power I think it's his greatest poem which he um also put together also maybe something to look at which is open and free but that this could also be a storage a memory machine you know of a of a new york theater yeah and we're building I mean it's a week old so we're still figuring out what it is and it's changing every day and um but I'm just so happy that in a week's time we got somebody $10,000 it's a sensational and also the amount of artists you put together in that time that in a way the global crisis that provoked it also has global tools for us to connect to work from home to have things delivered in a way and also to stay connected so it is in a way all connected and I think it's it feels like a giant devised art piece I mean I don't tend to make devised work but I I tend to be really collaborative work yeah it's one piece together it feels like a giant devised piece because everybody makes their own video and they and put it up so it's it's it's I don't know I find it I find it incredibly moving I I feel like the content is way more interesting than what you find on Netflix personally for me so yeah and maybe people in Japan or Italy or Germany might say this is a great idea that comes out of the New Yorker community that could be done for for for for their own work yeah so that that would be would be a good thing so um are you guys reading something are you listening to music we should listen is there something we say I just this was meaningful to me is there something what yeah so can we start with Kristen what do you have post-colonial love poems yeah tell us a bit what Natalie Diaz she's a wonderful poet and it's a really moving piece so do you maybe read us will you read us one poem but it's one you liked that it was meaningful uh I don't know is that okay to do it's because it's yeah that's that's fine in a radio also you can read a poem and um uh they're kind of long I think they might be too long Frank too long yeah I'm looking for one that's short enough no most of them are like a couple of pages well or a beginning of money like you can look but Taylor what are you um what are you I do you have time or do you listen to music what do you do how do you get your idea my husband listens to music while I type yeah what what do you listen to he we he got really into bronski beat the other day okay he's had that on a loop and uh you know it really holds up I always kind of thought oh is that cheesy 80s music and stuff the arrangement's quite wonderful and uh and especially that it ain't necessarily so and you just think wow what what wonderful ideas they all had and and they're activists and it's been kind of uplifting you know we've been a lot of queers I think have been feeling a little triggered because uh I mean the first two people that I know who died of of this were gay men who had survived the AIDS epidemic so um uh a wonderful queen uh Mona Foote um uh who was a real leader in the club scene in New York City and um totally fit totally uh no kind of uh pre-existing condition issues uh and so it was kind of uh scary uh but somebody who was about I don't know maybe um six years older than me or and who had you know been through uh the epidemic the AIDS epidemic um and so to die of this feels like you know and there's a meme going around gay gay social media which is like oh all those years of safe sex and now I can die of a handshake you know yeah like you know so I don't know there's a lot of triggering that's going on um uh in terms of those feelings that people had from that time coming back and memories and things so so it's um it's uh it's just an emotional time I think and um I don't really know what to say about a little bit of that but uh acknowledge that that's happening and and also acknowledge people sometimes ask me like about 24 decade which was 24 hours long and you know took up a lot of space and blah blah blah and people would say well what made you I had an interviewer want to say what made you feel like you could take up that much space you know and uh I think she was fishing for the you know privileged comment and stuff and and and which is probably true uh but the other thing was Larry Kramer you know Larry Kramer is who what made me feel like I could take up that much space like like you don't have to ask for permission to participate in in the creativity of your own survival and so uh that's that's how I feel about right now is we don't have to ask permission that's why we did this thing in a week um was because we didn't want to have to you know we didn't want to have to like fill out a form to ask permission to be able to do it and pay the seven thousand dollar fee to be able to do it we just were like no we're just going to gorilla this thing and we're going to put it up and we'll figure out the details after it's up so now I'm figuring out the details now yeah and um and just so maybe the end there are personal projects you work on is there something we say this is giving me an idea I don't know maybe maybe too early to talk but is there something um you're working on at the moment which in case we all get back to our normal lives which we will be seeing is there maybe all your current projects what are you doing Taylor you mentioned earlier Christian your opera but just tell us a little bit I think that's what our listeners to hear what you're working on and what's on your part I mean Christian I'm the resident playwright at the Hero Arts Center so I'm working on a new piece for uh here um called The Hang uh with composer Matt Ray uh who was the musical director and arranger of 24 decade uh and he's a real jazz guy so he's we're making a jazz kind of opera um and uh and it's just about people hanging out together actually so it's like you gotta be an interesting project to write during this time and um we've been writing about it I keep having the question of how much do you go into the consideration of what's happening right now or how much do you just stay on track um and uh I think it's probably the answer is going to be a yes end um but I I'm I we're just kind of like working a little bit every day on it you know now Trickle has been taking up all of my time but but he's he's composing uh to some things I've written so um so we're so so yeah but that's you know moving forward a little bit at a time and there's a couple other projects that I won't go into but um uh yeah it's a lot yeah Kristen uh what's what's uh well the idea the zoom opera is the most immediate thing right now as I said with Rob and Kamala uh but Kamala and I have a longer term project that we're we're just in the beginning stages of called Joan of the city which is a kind of Joan of Arc and uh it's meant to be outside uh with mixed reality glasses and there are like seven different Jones and you follow your own Joan in the street like a group of like 15 or 20 audience members follows each Joan the Joan that they've chosen to follow and every now and again the Jones cross each other's path and the audience members can change flow but the Jones are all uh perceived as mentally ill and as a result are homeless and so the piece is trying to address this issue of the people that we don't see and the perception the lack of understanding and compassion that we have for people around us and eventually all of the Jones arrive in the place and lead their audience members there and then we're all in the same space and there's no mixed reality glasses anymore they're not seen their her visions anymore and and through their glasses now they're seeing them everybody has a shared vision in the same space and so we're just starting that piece um and doing a lot of thinking about it um and we're just in the beginning will you are you considering you know the the social distancing aspects right now or are you just like we'll just wait and see how how's that in the process yeah I mean we haven't revisited the concept of walking in the streets since uh since this started so yeah that's going to be a whole different thing yeah definitely well that will be will be interesting I mean becoming close to the first at the end of our first seagull talk and and really thank you guys um for for for sharing your time I know how busy you are how much you do and we all admire you if you Kristen for running the great here art center and and for Taylor Mac next you know the great things you do coming out of New York I know what you did in Berlin this great great success you brought to a very big city that has that long um tradition of cabaret singing was a great thing and there was over Andrew got you in there and and that you brought something from New York to the world so really fantastic and thank you and it wouldn't have happened if the places wouldn't have been open like the years and many many many others and that's was my hope that you know everybody will watch a little bit more careful about the artists who do work and who think it's essential practice actually to do art in the time you live on so thank you so much again thank you to hall round vj and cia for for helping us my team which is san yang and may and great jackie so um you know I hope it will will go on us in the off to a good start and thank you for participating for our audience to send us some questions or emails or recommendations and please do go to trickle up nyc dot com support this i think it's that org that org we're working on it so we got the calm but yeah we just haven't like we haven't figured it out yet we have not figured out yet five million reasons why it's complicated and people can submit to you guys right and they can uh maybe in the future yeah i mean we're gonna see we're too small of a little organization you know it's all volunteer and there's like there's a lot of us you know so uh we're we're not quite doing the thing where anyone can submit at any time but we're but maybe we'll get to that place yeah good and if any big donor of any big foundation listening to this if you want to invest it is smartly wisely something that really will benefit a lot of artists but also a community this is listening to do so thank you all and goodbye and i'm gonna click now on the little red words that leave meeting and uh on my second zoom talk ever and thank you again and good luck and stay in touch thank you


Hi, this is Chico. What we're going to do right now is do a little bit of prep work for for what we're going to do for the language of mathematics and math and real life. At some point in the near future, in the future, we're going to do a series on probability and statistics. And what we're going to do to learn probability and statistics is to learn how to shoot dice, how to play craps. Because probability is a branch of mathematics that basically started from us trying to understand games of chance, trying to optimize our chances of winning. I figured that was a good way of introducing the topic. Okay, now what I've done already is gone out to gone outside and taken my tripod, the camera, and we found this beautiful little wall. We did a little primer for this video, specifically for what the distribution is for rolling two six-sided die-art, right? So we took these two dice and we went outside and we plotted off the distribution graph for what the probability is for rolling these two sets of dice. And we're going to specifically use that for to learn the game of craps and to learn how to shoot dice. Now one thing I didn't mention in that video is basically what, the way I learned how it became instinct to me, what the probability of rolling dice was. And it wasn't from craps, it was from playing backgammon. And one thing that we do need to do to learn how to play, how to shoot dice, how to play back, how to play craps is we're going to need a data set, right? Because that's one thing we do with math. One of the most powerful tools that we have that mathematics offers us is when we collect the large data set, then we can look at you know, see how that that whatever it is, how it functions, right? So when you go outside and collect a whole bunch of data what we can do is analyze that data and that data gives us information about whatever system that we're we're trying to learn, right? And we need that data set to be able to learn how to play craps and to learn how to shoot dice, right? Now for me the game that I learned what the probability distribution, how dice behave, was not craps. It was when I learned how to play backgammon. And I really can't remember when it was that I learned how to play backgammon. I just since I was a kid, they just played backgammon. I think it was probably the first game I ever learned how to play that and Jin Rummy. And we'll talk about Jin Rummy and the probability of cards and poker and stuff later on. What we're going to do start off with dice. And to be able to collect that data. So we need that data set to be able to to learn how to play craps, to learn how to shoot dice. What I ended up doing was filming my grandmother and me playing backgammon. And I put together six videos and they're basically six rounds that we play. And the way that me and my grandma play backgammon is usually play whoever gets to five first, right? So it's best out of nine and there's a few rules that we have and I checked up the information online. There's some some rules that some people play with that we don't play with and we have some some rules that we introduce that they're you know, I didn't find really online. So we're we're pretty hardcore about our backgammon. For those who know how to play backgammon, one of the things that we do is we can't hit and run inside your home base. And that's that's a huge huge game changer if you're you know, if you do if you do not have play backgammon and you're gonna watch these games that we're gonna play you'll notice you know things happening and if you're you know, you're familiar with backgammon I think you will pick up on those rules. Okay, so just a heads up these six videos that we've loaded up is going to be me and my grandma playing backgammon and it's basically for us to appreciate what the game backgammon is for me to preserve a little history, I guess I haven't done this and this was a great opportunity to video my grandma and me playing backgammon and I can't tell you how many games we've played I've been playing backgammon since I don't know. I don't have recorded memory of learning it. I just knew how to play it because we would you know Since we're kids we used to watch the elders play right? And that's a brilliant game and if you ever you know, if you want to learn You know simple multiplication addition basic probability Learn how to play backgammon or teach your kids how to play backgammon. It's an amazing learning tool. Okay, so What we've ended up doing is shooting Six games of backgammon and what we're going to do later on is I'm going to collect that data later on and throw in the table and you know Take a look at that data plot that data and see what we can do with that data and see if it fits the probability distribution that we You know did the introduction the primer for this for for the series on probability If see if it fits that distribution that we talked about that we drew right What I'd like to do right now is is Show you my grandmother's backgammon board because if you're If you play it backgammon, I think you'll appreciate this board and I'm going to tell you its history a little bit and give you a close-up view of what the backgammon board looks like and It's a beautiful board and it's my favorite board to play on okay now this is a case Sort of a red velvet case that my grandmother So to hold Hold the backgammon board, right? And it's a beautiful little case. She did this a few years ago and and as you can tell it's soft, it's It's nice to play with right. It's nice to just to grab it Feels good me pick it up and bring it over and the games about to begin right and this backgammon board is a Backgammon board that my great-grandmother bought in the 19 and mid in the mid 1950s for what I've been told in a bazaar in Tehran Iran and she gave it as a gift to my grandfather and my grandmother and They've had it since now right now. We're in 2014 so they've had it for a good Well, we can do the mathematics right good 60 years, right? So this backgammon board that's inside here Is much older than I am or older than I am anyway, and it's a beautiful board and it's It's treasure So the way we I usually or we usually take the board out We just you know put the thing on a table and you just slide off right Slide off the The container for it Right, let me show it to you It's handmade with I'm not sure what type of wood it is Beautiful and all these square pieces here These are individual pieces put together right and when you move the thing Right beautiful board. I'm not sure what type of wood. This is now on this side This thing, you know, it's got some wear and tear obviously I don't know how many games we've played on this is people would have been in thousands 10 of thousands I have no idea 60 years of playing backgammon within the family right now on this side. It's It's got some wear and tear but it's intact on the other side, unfortunately We have one two three squares missing and a little bit of chipped on this one Okay, and from what I've been told and some of these things are they're tight on there but they're not, you know flush to the board and What I've been told is one of my great-grandmother bought this They were at the time they were living at a place where it was a little bit of humid So the wood got a little bit of humidity damage, I guess But And the pieces in there They're all the original pieces, right? They're loose, right? Let me open it up You can open it up and here it is and this paper here is Us keeping track me and my grandma keeping track and my cousins have some notes in here as well The whole family plays backgammon based of their large part of family plays backgammon, and that's us keeping you know Keeping tabs on what's going on, right? One side is This one is me and my grandma one side is my score the other side is my grandma's score and What how many games we play? And we've got a set for a few years. Unfortunately, we threw away a lot of this, right? And this is what the board looks like Beautiful board. This piece is loose. It's one of the end pieces, right? That goes here and we place our pieces on the board and you'll see Through the six games, you know the angle of the camera shooting from the top so you can see what we're doing The pieces are because we haven't varnished this at all. This hasn't been touched. This is the original board You know, we haven't pampered to it, but the pieces are Fairly similar in color. One is white Wonder if you can see this one is this one is white.  So on camera it, you know, it might not appear the colors might be You know Not that distinguishable But when we're playing them, they're not bad and you'll see hopefully the laying is good enough that you You know, you can distinguish the pieces and on the back of these they used to have velvet So they wouldn't go bang on the table, right? but the well valve was worn off and we tore off some of it because you know there's something about The sound of playing back. Yeah, man, it's brilliant very hypnotic very meditative And some of these pieces, you know, they got a little mix out of them not too many of them though. Most of them are really Beautifully intact, you know, there's maybe three or four pieces that are not intact And there's 15 You know, this is five so there's 15 of the white pieces and 15 of the black pieces and You know, we set up the game and you'll see how it's set up and how we do play it Okay It's a beautiful part. Those are all the pieces everything just sits there loose and There's a little history. I like to tell you about the dice as well From what I understand that these are much smaller than what we did Distribution for the when we did the mathematics Learn how what the probability distribution was for rolling to six-sided die. All right, so these guys are a lot smaller From what I know These I don't believe they were the original dice that came with the board the original dice that came with the board They were bigger than this but We sort of appreciate the little dice because they spin a lot more you can hit him against Hit him hit him against the board and watch them spin and the sound they make is just fantastic And for what I understand these dice were bought after After the board so they weren't the original dice that came with the board and They used to have sharp corners. I'm not sure if you can see this these things have Filed down corners so they're not fair die and what fair die means is basically they haven't been tampered with the probability they're weighted in a way where the probability of rolling is Is the same for each number, right?  I mean The the difference between the probability of rolling one or the other is is not that much hopefully what the data would collect Through these six sets of six matches that me and my grandma played we'll find out how fair these die are, right? Who knows maybe the probability graph graphs is skewed in one direction or the other or you know It might it might have peaks on it. We'll find that out, right? but most die are fair and The fairest die that you'll ever come across is the red dice usually red that you see On the craps tables in casinos.  If this these die are not fair if the distribution is skewed then you both have the same probability of getting the same it having the same advantage, right and when we do an analysis on On data, we're gonna collect and it's gonna take a long time to do this, right? But we will do the analysis to find out You know if if my distribution the way I rolled die is the same as my grandmother's distribution and the way she rolls dice to see What my probability distribution is like compared to what my grandmother's probably distribution is like compared to what The actual probability distribution should be like for rolling two sets of die, right? Just to give you an idea of what we can do with a large data set once we collect it and the power of mathematics the power of property the power of probability and statistics, right and And that's about it. This is this is a dive we play with that you're gonna. I don't know how many hours Each game takes anywhere each set takes anywhere between half an hour to an hour to play and there's six sets Six matches that we played actually it could be shorter. I think one of all my grandma, you know beat me really fast so that one went really quick, right and You know, we'll collect the data At some point and what we will be doing is or what I will be doing is editing those videos and putting those up on YouTube and Putting those up online so you can take a look at how the game of backgammon is played or how we play it and You can collect the data yourself Because this is Creative Commons if you if you want to collect the data and play around with it be my guest Tabulate the data and if you do tabulate data send in my way because I haven't thrown in a spreadsheet yet as of end of May 2014 hopefully by you know end of 2015 to that beginning of 2016 we'll get into this and Tabulate data and start taking a look at some probability, right? And that's about it and this is The board again, and this is what we're gonna play on and this is what you're gonna see For the backgammon games, okay, and there is a video out there talking about what the probability distribution is for rolling to die and Little introduction to tell you, you know some of the rules probably of that me and my grandmother Adhere to that we play with when we do play crabs And some of the intricacies of what we do because we do have money on the table on on the line as well, okay That's it for now. I guess I'll see you guys in the next video. Bye. Bye


If, um, recently, I wanted to do some research on the data, my job is to take a slide on, um, and try to find out how important it is to me if the police are going to talk about these kinds of things that I have to be mentioning about, right? So I am just so happy to be part of our field. And before I start talking about this source of data, I want to talk about this source of data. If you can do it, you'll be able to do it. You'll be able to do it. I want to take data from this man and inspire him with his ideas, his friends, his colleagues, his father. I know that if you follow him, you'll be able to appreciate him. So I'm not going to talk about this source of data, I'm not going to talk about it yet. And not that I'm going to talk about it, but if you go and talk about it, you'll be looking for other things that are more important to you. So for the first time I'm going to talk about this source of data. I'm going to talk about this thing that I said in the audience. And some of these things are easy, but if you just think about the content of the game, it's going to help more than what it's usually like. Before that, I'm going to talk about, I don't know about me. I work in administration, I work in this organization for the last four years. And most of the time in the area I live in, working in high school. But I try to find a way to do this as well, like looking at more data systems as well. So if you ask me, what is one thing more than this group of visitors that I join or I work for, and I have to ask lots of people on this office to do it. So the knowledge specifically that we have a language that I can use, the knowledge that we have on. The ones that call people who are doing this business, that is a factor of a great model. The model is more of a legacy. And while trying to do the physics, it's necessary to apply the safety law. So assuming the problem, the legacy is not going to be crossed. So that should have come to me at any moment. Before I explain who I am and how I'm going to do it, I want to know if you are a guest, you have to do an installation there. So actually, the room is very quiet, right? So I'm very happy for the question asked, that the monitoring experience is very important. So I have a thought that everyone is on the list very long, it's just a long one. So literally, while we're at the quiet, we are facing many issues on this side. Because they need a whole new field of help. They'll be changing the network.  And in Anderson, they are hard, they are safe. But in many ways. And after a while, this thing, twice the speed of the night, all destroyed. So the right of the wrong algorithm is the same as the other one, but you start with what is available in the morning and then go to the store. Now, with all of this, this is how it will be decided by the second time or the third time, then in the next time that we describe, you won't be bothered about it. Like you can see, we're working to set up such a system in the evening. Once we're done with what we're looking for, it's not really what we're looking for. So, this is how it will be decided by the field of the night and then we'll see what's going on here. The last time I went, it was on my essay. Now, this is the last problem of developers' associations. Developers' society, developers' problems and essentially people of the world. Everybody is talking about the most important thing. Now, if you see with the problem of people's solutions in this problem, there's nothing we can do about it. This is a problem. There's no time for this. That's concerning to a different environment. And as long as you just follow this concept, instead of trying to find out why it's open on the right-hand side of the machine, you can start by just saying, oh, what was some of the particular advice you're using? And you start to ask questions where do you depend on the environment? What are the problems inside it? Just today, it was this problem. I didn't see anything at all. Right? I wasn't looking at the essay. I didn't know the person at all. But it was fine, right? Taking action and you use a trope of products, sometimes I see the address, take care of the waste dealers, and maybe put somewhere as support. They're usually not qualified. Just like maybe put somewhere as support and remember not qualified. Maybe, even if I find anything, there was a system update. It's not really more of a system update than it had, of an idea update, or maybe an expo product, or maybe a product. So you might not have seen anything at all, but there's something that got changed in the system. It's not really complicated. But in that situation, people don't just now understand the things that's not going on in the system. It was working in a particular flow, or working in a specific flow. Now we have a contract for waste property, that is going to be modified, which in which flow some money, and it will stay stable. They decided to find a house in the central center. You might be sure and you find a place to find a house in the central center. And now there's a period of time. I've been trying to find an exact setting for house. It was exact set, and it was in the central center. And if you follow the exact set, and you find an exact setting, it will be quite okay, it's still in the central center. You have to change how you're working and how you're thinking. So, sometimes this is very basic, but it doesn't come out as easy, but you start to think of it for the final four hours and you're like, constantly thinking the same thing again and again, and it's still there, right? I think it's, I had a lot of things to talk about, but it's always been the basic, right? Do you believe it? Maybe you think it's long-term, maybe that's a bit of a bore, and maybe that might be the office of the bore, and maybe it's long-term, but there are a lot of questions about this, but there are some of that. Are there any time that you guys, if you want to fix something that is very basic, or maybe you have to take a look at your social network, maybe you have to write a code, but see that it's there. At least that's how you believe it, that a lot of code and something, sometimes happens, so what you're using, or like a library and it's sort of very easy, and smart object, and you can look at it like it's awesome. The scarcity, because like if you mark it, you boil it up, and it's not like it's easy, so you can have it like that, you know what I'm saying. When you put it in the same way, it's not like it's working, it works on the things that you don't want to mind. I think this, where I'm making this one, it's not like it's a problem, it's also a problem, it's not. These answers are just beginning, and I'm not going to put this on the different. So it's full, the person is in, but it's full, it's off and on, it's all in the different set of the world. Where do you want to pause? Where do you want to go? Do you have something unique that you should have? Where do you want to go? All the differences that you need, where do you end things? It's giving off decisions that you just need a decision. And the list of where you want to go, this is all you just have to make, on the side of the app and in the side of the game.  Just by on the side of the game, and doing more. If you're going to be safe, the bottom line is to be safe, it's to stay safe on it, right? So if it's the need to move, I close the questions on states of the heart and how to move on, and you can be able to do this. Another thing that I'm excited about is that I'm going to have a little more explore, I'm going to have a sleep. This is about my writing, and I always think of this as something I want, I am a choreographer. I write and write about things that I want, that I write and write about things that I want to do. But by all the decisions that I make, you, I'm going to read some, read some of them, but let's say there are 50 people who are writing, talk about who you think is, think of all of the things that I said, because she was the latest, she really needed me, and I thought, you know, I need to think about what it's about, the concept. And usually using the concepts, I need to be able to process it, and write it all about it. But I don't think it's going to be a good thing, I don't think it's going to be a good thing, I don't think it's going to be a good thing. So I'm going to take this as a reward for each, and make it the most of the people, and I'm going to go back, to the same time, to be able to hold on to all of the things that I've done. So for me, it's always just a little bit. And the problem is when it is working for me, it's not working for somebody else, it's a problem in life. I need to find what, where it's going to be, that I'm going to find, that I'm going to make it. But, you know what I'm saying? So I was thinking about thinking about it. We might go see what it's like in the book, and we might go see what it is like in the book. We might go see what it's like in the game, and how it will come, but what it's going to be, but it is the latest people know everything that I was writing. Then we mentioned the book, I wrote, and given that part of the thing that me, who is in the book, he is getting my involvement, so it's going to be a year or a year, correct? So everything is going to be done, and we can write about that, because it's still going to be in the book. Now, all of the writing is in the book, right? The scene in my head, I'm very sure that it's a problem that I'm going to find, right? So, in 1932, I was driving back home, and I thought of something, and really, probably, I'm going to write about anything I asked of me, so that each show was fine and normal, and we were able to see it wasn't any more efficient. It's a bit of a different kind, because it's kind of cool here, and it's just an iron, and it's a bit of a different kind. But also, the thinking of finding something in the book, and I think about it, that we drive fast, and it's quite a problem, so I might as well just take my wife and talk to her, and she'll know. Here's the question. We pull along every device that we use, and set one. So, we was working on it, and by 19, I was using it, and then just on the computer, I was 3.4, or 11, or 11, or 11, or 12, but it was only starting with IOS, and it was not operating on the device. But a few more things. I want to see better. So, again, it was just an old, and I was just thinking. However, he was able to do it fine on the device that it was, right? So the clue is, you see in the last time, So it's looking at a significant amount of advice, and two ways you're going to go with mine, all right? Now, if you plan on building, I just have to provide you with a different amount of data for all of you. The main thing is, if it's supposed to be in an army, it has to do with the creation of a fire. This is the focus of the focus. Similarly, if you plan on that, you must be able to get that data out of there. All right? Now, I'm going to say this in number 14 again. So there's a few outside between then and the right, so you're going to be able to find people who are 14 on all levels. So, again, I'm going to start from this number. There's a range of types in his working environment. The next type is the same initial. So if you go here, mine, all right, it's all over. So if all the work goes to you on the project, I mean, kind of something has to do with it. And the difference is that any previous and I think it was 1912, three years ago. So, some of the area was closed and ladies and gentlemen, I think I have a good understanding of the topic on my own. Thank you. I'm just a little finding out about this, just by understanding the reasons why we live on the products. This is the IED, the ICB, the OCCIS, the libraries, management, and the state's main profile, obviously. But I have a great understanding of this state, IED, the activity, libraries, and even a system I have for last week. And that's just a question I'm going to give you a little bit more in the context of that. So, I was born with a class of and we have a simple issue that can be faced anywhere to happen. I don't know if you can explain some of that or because the OCCIS. So, I was asked to guide us about the importance of the IED, the activities there. And we asked, do you know why there is a great understanding because of the importance of the IED? So, instead of telling you now why IED, you should go back to the OCCIS. So, if there is an IED, you won't do a list of things. Whenever you have this bar, you can start with whatever you want to do. You should just go to the system. Number of people on the system are the most important. And I'm the most asked to teach the OCCIS class this month. But once I know about the IED, this work really should happen. But usually, the system is a bit really important to have a lot of resources. Just to be more able to teach the IED. This last topic, I'm going to read you another one about it. Just to send you a following of which kind of happens to you. That's the only one that's in the beginning of our program since most of us, right? The thing is, there isn't any sort of a list. All of this is a kind of an example that wasn't on when you were just going to introduce something that's not your problem. So, for example, we have this title, which is not based on anything, but I think it's going to be four words. And maybe an hour or two, I'm going to give this part to you. So, I think that's all there. So, you're going to teach that to me and my other problem, of course, is OCCIS, right? But this is a point for them to get into. So, we teach a lot about the group of community and state groups. Different versions of the group that was around youngest, they did. And people on seven, on eight, on ten, and you need to think so that you have some process of all kind of things in place so that people are all the same as that group or all of the same as that group in the game. and we are ready to move forward. We are also going to do this sort of thing. Recreation of the DNA is not enough. I would say it's not enough. The DNA that you have, you should actually try to have as much as you can. That's awesome. There are quite a few. The DNA is not enough. It's not enough. It's not enough. It's not enough. It's not enough. It's not enough. So, then, because they can ensure that there's more of that. The UI does give a user assistance, and this is the latest angle from, you probably have seen, all of this. So, where we have, in other people, this is one of our overall systems, those are just getting out of there, song-song, all day again, and just a lot of them are over the number or so. And this is an offer that we're going to hear about as long as they can help us solve. So, if you hold a QR code to operate, and you have a reasonable amount of information, you have a reasonable amount of money, then even if you're not matching, again, I think this is the last part of the portal, and the last thing. And if you're here, you give all these code, then you can cash more or less. So, there's one way to do this, in one way or another, we were writing a long story first, and then another one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, and then this one, so, these are not the problem, but we wanted to make sure that it changes on this issue So that's why I'm holding high confidence about our presence. It was, um, you know what I mean by this? What are you doing with this? You are running on the essence of the, uh, the, um, the essence of all of your goodness, and the entire industry, uh, thank you. So you're going to get a good night of your life. I think it's a sin that even after buying all this life, even after buying all these things, it's a sin that in time and time, and in all of this, and in all of this, um, many people are, you know, trying to get away. Um, I don't know what I said, but, uh, it's a waste of, a lot of waste from where you're living, you're living in, uh, this area of life. It was a moving, moving, moving life. If there is a, there's a way to help you. Electricity works. So the most important is that it's all in shape. Uh, if you buy, uh, all of the position, uh, for a few hours, and if this is the goal of this week, then it's very common for people to live. And how do you do this all in one way? To take the power of the station, uh, power of the station. Let's say 80,000 under the occupation, 5,000 hours, 1,000 days, well, the same period, and you're sitting in the corner of the main platform, and how do you do this all today on the, what are the issues? To this particular person, the same person on the bottom, and this side of the line, opening that door and giving this power up. So it's not about this, this is my job, I am rich, I am here now, and I talk for a while, then the guys say, I'm going to talk with me, and all you do is just explain it all to the server. So what do you guys say? When you are fixing money, whatever college you're in, or whatever, shall you fix the money? If you explain it to somebody who has small money to call in, or literally, or everything, or whatever, most of this is a conversation, and not all of it is a right thing to say, we help you with a conversation. So that's my job, I'm a defender, and I'm not working for me at the moment, and when no one wants to say what is your area of power, I think for the date time issue, it's just as simple as conforming to the RFC 8601 date time ceremony. I think a lot of people tend to ignore the time zone part of it.  So that's why I'm focusing on RFC 8601. So for the date time issue, it's just as simple as when I said what was the date, I would like to say what is the date of the player, not the player, this is my first time meeting with a player, not a player, maybe they're like, they're actually, they're always in there, and we also, you know, look in the video, it was young, it was people who were having a child, and some of them didn't really know what to do with it, so we went and looked at it, we looked at it, and it was an employee, an employee, and this is not what I meant by an employee, but the employee, you know, looked at it, all right? So, and it was looking at it, and this particular employee was trying to learn something, and he was trying to look it up, and somehow there was a problem, and he was able to look it up, so he started looking it up. So then he had to look it up, so he looked it up, and it was too much. So, and my boss and he, he was going to go to the diet, and he was able to go to the gym with it.  And the person who was going to go, I had to go to the gym, and I had to go to the gym, and I had to go to the gym. So I took a chance, and I was kind of, I was a little bit of a friend, so we were going to spend a lot of time at home. And one of my friends, so I had to leave the company, and I had to leave the company.


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Welcome to every way woman. So ladies I love you but sometimes you can be our worst enemy. Women are tearing women apart the more successful they become. So you look so bothered by this. I am. Every time I hear this topic or this conversation it bothers me because one of the things that we have we relate to as women are being women that that camaraderie that camaraderie excuse me and to think and to see and to witness and to personally experience women not having my back because I am successful is very difficult. How did that make you feel? Well I can use in my current situation right now in my job women who I thought would should have my back are very condescending. In what way? In that I'm the assistant director so I will give a directive and because they don't necessarily agree with it they will challenge it. However we have a director who is also a female and they challenge her yet her boss is a male and what he says is okay and oftentimes they've had conversations with me that say I want to make your money I just don't want to do what you have to do and I find that appalling I just and I guess it bothers me because I'm hurt by that that you would work with me you would feel that about me that you don't support what I do so I'm shaking with this one. I think part of it is the male-female relationship I have a boss who is above me who is a man and I have a lot of other co-workers some men mostly women and I had a female co-worker come to me and ask me questions about what she should do on her job and I said well you know I think you should do this and she goes well our boss who's a guy says this and this and this but then the boss above him said we should do something else so I went well we should do what this boss says and instead they chose to do what the guy said to do and guys they got in trouble. That crab in the bucket mentality and women have so many things to deal with in general we cannot continue to afford to not support each other particularly when one of us arises in a position that can be helpful. What I find interesting too is that even in when women are in the workforce that their other roles are then attacked so then it becomes not only the decisions you're making at work well she's working so many hours what's happening with her husband what about her kids well look at what she wore to work today. I mean don't you feel like men don't have to deal with all that but women don't because I have to tell you I've never heard a guy talk about another guy and say oh that guy got that job because he's got nice pecs. Let's take it to what everybody knows reality TV these housewives of so-and-so show I know those shows because most of the people on them are successful and they have these women going at each other and we glorify that we as women we're the the ones we're watching it and we glorify that and that should be an abomination no woman should be on TV or anyway pulling down her sister and we show that to other young women and so we perpetuate that and I'm passionate about this because this is just real raggedy and jealousy too is what I think I mean these women are just jealous of what they have or their success and so it comes out as this resentful bitterer perpetuates that jealousy just oh we all do because it's bored it's a topic of conversation you mean jealousy insecurity I think it's jealousy insecurity kind of go together right hand-in-hand when you feel insecure you can feel jealous about what somebody has done correct accomplished well okay I'll use myself I had a situation where there was a person who was over me a successful woman over me and I can tell you for a moment I did feel insecure and I found myself in a conversation slamming her so that's why I don't want hypocrite in front of you found myself slamming her and the person that I was talking to said Stacy you are so wrong right about now because I know where you sit and the same thing that you're saying about her someone has said about you and that really put the like look at women who are running in politics of any office I mean they're getting criticized on all these different levels that men are and mostly by other women right well you know I've women have very strong political views and sometimes they have stronger views than men do so what they're not talking about politics they're talking about the suit she's wearing we're in you know an economic crisis and the you know president's wife is wearing a suit that's $2,000 and everybody's gonna critique it and talk about it and same thing with you know but again I'm just I'm just so bothered that as women you guys know we have a lot of things that we have to contend with and we don't support each other we particularly when we reach we reach a certain level we don't support each other and we got to do better and we have to start educating yeah but because you're sick insecure then you attack me do deal with you differently um you know it love yourself just be confident in yourself because you can't love yourself if there's no example of women around you who love themselves yes you're absolutely right okay so we got to teach the lesson I got to teach you as being a mature woman just like you're enough and when and when Madison does something well I got to celebrate her and then turn off the housewives recognize what you have and celebrate it you can't always just want what you don't have you have to want what you have and learn to love it and celebrate each other yes you know I'm when I go into someone's home and they have a beautiful home I don't walk in and start trashing their home and saying oh well they've got this so you know I mean I might make us our camera mark about there are people who do and it's the exact same thing they'll walk into someone's beautiful home ago oh and then they'll start trashing it instead of just saying hey I appreciate your beautiful home thank you for sharing it with me I'm so glad that you can have this so that I can come here and share you can share and the reason why that's important is because as women are successful it's important that we reach back and continue to pull women up so again I would hope that and I shared my own story both how I'm experiencing it and how I participated in it to say that it's true and it's out there but we have to make a change we have to do something different and we have to teach our young girls to start complimenting their friends at an early age right about how they look you were pretty you did a great job congratulations on that a I'm so proud we got to start early that's that's how we change that to your question or your daughters her friends you know I'm really proud of what you did that's what you do we'll be right back with more every way woman stay tuned


We randomly selected 800 citizens all over Europe. We symbolically said from the mountains to the islands, from all corners of Europe, in order to hear their voice. And we have now four citizens panels, which are debating on different teams, they are clustered. Today they are debating on economy, on social affairs, on education, sports, digital technologies and so on. So they are very important because we want to hear what they say, without being influenced by us politicians. We want to hear what are their daily problems, what are their daily issues, what are their proposals, what are their fears in the end. And these recommendations, in the end, will be translated into concrete conclusions, which will be handed over to three presidents of the institutions, Ursula von der Leyen and Editha Mezzan, and at this moment, the French presidency. Most of the recommendations were taken from the plan, from the forum. And I am very happy about it. One of our experiences, one of our recommendations, won 39% vote, got a very important topic, where it is about environmental energy. And I am very happy about that result. Well, it's the engine, I should say, the engine of the whole conference, because it is the citizens' panels who will produce what we call recommendations to the conference, and it is based on these recommendations of the citizens, that we will define the reforms, proposals that are needed for the future. I think Dubliners and Ireland can be very proud that this event is here, given our history of citizens assemblies and this venue, in particular Dublin Castle, has held many of our own deliberations and indeed has been the place of celebration for the referenda that have come out of those deliberations.


So I'll talk a little bit in the six minutes about values. I'll start by saying that business actually has added lots of value to society in the last decades or centuries.  But today, I'll not talk about this kind of values or the lack of values that were added maybe on a different way in different societies. But I'll talk about the values based on which business was created, based on which business are made every day, the values that are influenced by business. And I'll start by saying that business community has been largely influenced by a statement made by Milton Friedman long ago, saying that the business of business is business.  I have been thinking over many years. Is it true? Doesn't it really matter the way companies are producing their products, or the way they are structuring themselves to have the services? Doesn't it really matter what the way they are impacting society, consumers, suppliers, environmental aspects? Actually, I think it does. So for many years, I have been saying that the business of business is sustainable business. And I think that's what we have to build around. It's there is no dilemma between doing business and having an holistic view of what business responsibilities are all about. Actually, you have to look into it, and the business will only be sustainable if it looks into the various angles of the impacts of its stakeholders and so on. So are you impacting environmental? Are you impacting suppliers? What kind of things are you doing? What kind of society are you building? Some people think that this actually will be restrictive and say, oh, but if you start looking into it, you'll probably not be able to do things properly. And I would like to challenge otherwise and saying that actually being ethical, transparent, actually it brings new opportunities. You can build new products. You can build new things. You can actually build a better society by doing that. It's a win-win proposition where everybody is really making some gain on that. So it's a false dilemma to say that you cannot really embrace those if you're in the business community. You can. Why am I optimistic about it? I'm optimistic because I think at the end is consumers which will make the difference. Consumers are better educated by the day and they understand exactly what are the products, what is the impact, what kind of energy they want to see being produced. So I normally say that if my generation has not really left a better world for our children, has certainly left better children for our world. Children which are a lot more conscious, people which are looking into things that we never looked before. So I'm optimistic that this new generation will make a tremendous difference in the way business are made. Today we are living a big crisis worldwide. Does it really matter the crisis we are living? Of course it does. It impacts us. Does it have to do with values? Of course it does. Values is one of the reasons why we are the way we are. So we have to bring values to every single part of society, including business, government and so on. But who is gonna do that? I think that's gonna be done by each one of us. I wanna talking here about ideas worth be spreading. I think the idea is that it is not to be delegated to anyone. The way we build a better society, the way we build a better business, the way we build a better government is really by each one of us on our day-to-day acting according to our beliefs. Changing values does not require Congress approval, does not require very problematic and troublesome process. It does require each one of us believing that we can do and each one of us doing it. Society at the end is the addition of every one of us attitudes. And that's what we are talking about. We are talking about if we do not like the way things are, if we do not like the way the products are, if we don't like the way environmental is being impacted, it has to be done therefore on our day-to-day, our attitudes is what will make the difference. Education, consciousness, that's what will make the difference. So the method I wanna leave in this short six minutes here is to say that we do have all the conditions to influence and to build the society we wanna have. We should never stay back and criticizing, saying that's the way things should be done. That's the way government should be acting. By the way, we do that a lot. The government should be doing this and that. And what are we doing on our day-to-day? What are we doing with the little problems here and there? What in Portuguese as we call the pequenos delitos? Are we being complacent? Are we being compromising on that or are we not? I think that's what we have to do. Actually, as Gandhi summarized very well, we must be the change we wanna see in the world. If you really wanna see it, that's what you have to do. And for business, there is no dilemma. You can be successful and if you're connected with society, if you understand exactly what society is demanding and it's up to one of us, to each one of us, to build a society we wanna. Let's do it, let's do it now. Thank you for this time. Thank you. You're welcome.