nd this paralysis Because when you think about ice caps and how fast they're melting and how fast the oceans are rising and how the coral reefs are all blanching What happens is you get a thud in your gut and you have to force yourself to think about something else So that the thud doesn't become a huge weight that you carry around with you every moment of every day And i've done that Who wants to live like that? But it's clear from especially tonight that our city does have few huge financial issues With the unfunded liabilities and the decreased reserves, which is council member Julie combs points out are a direct result of the wildfires and the wildfires are a direct result of the climate crisis So I want us all to take a deep breath for a minute On one hand we have homelessness and unfunded liabilities and very limited financial resources And on the other hand we have our children and our grandchildren And and whether or not our children and grandchildren are going to have a healthy planet to live on These two categories of concerns have to be dealt with in tandem We can't allow one to completely outweigh the other Where is the equivalent of mr. McBride? Who will give us a detailed report on how we're going to protect our precious children from the ravages of climate change Until he or she has an equal seat at that table We are failing a sacred responsibility Here are the concrete steps that I think can be taken We can pass an all-electric ready building ordinance as a first step to going all-electric We can give the cap implementation process the necessary funding it mean it needs to at least be somewhat meaningful We can make the climate crisis a tier one priority We can update the cap so that the action items keep pace with the current science And we can establish a subcommittee on climate so that actions are politically easier to accomplish And we can give the cap an overarching status so that any project Being considered by the council must be determined to be in compliance with it Before a vote can be taken these are low-hanging fruit. They're not expensive They can make a big difference in our carbon footprint Please please give this crisis the attention it deserves the creativity it deserves the manpower Deserves and the funding it deserves. Thank you. Thank you, Kevin Sylvia Gallego followed by patricia cuta Sylvia here. I believe Sylvia couldn't make it due to the lateness of the hour All right Pat go ahead. Good evening. I'm pat cuta and I'm from the roseland coalition and On the best advice of your council. We were here to show support for the rosin library unfortunately Many of the students and the mothers with children couldn't stay this late And I really am disappointed that a public hearing on the budget Is being made under such circumstances that it's so difficult for your community to respond But i'll go on I would like the people who are here in support of the library to show their books And you can multiply this by about three because many people had to leave Uh this evening you will hear from many in the community explaining how important the modest library has become to the southwest neighborhood I want to point out that folks from throughout our city have taken time to be here to support the roseland The rosin coalition has gathered more than 250 community leaders citizens service clubs and organizations Ready and willing to partner with the rosin community The library commission and the city to identify the opportunities and assets on which to build a permanent roseland community library To that end we will address the council at its goal setting session in february In the meantime, we are here tonight to ask the city to step up for the rosin library This newest city library branch is moving to a greatly improved temporary location And we need the city to support the increased cost of occupying this space The county today has provided $250,000 for the relocation The library will fully furnish the new branch location and operate this branch with much needed expanded hours We are asking the city to provide the least cost of $150,000 yearly for its city library branch While we fully understand that our budget is under extreme pressure We want to remind you that the pledge that mayor course he made Right after the city's uh was inundated by the fire that it would not forget the priorities and commitments It made to the community before the fire savaged our city Equity services and adequate infrastructure for roseland is one of those commitments We have created this asset with the help of the whole community Many have contributed to our roseman Roseland library now and now is the time for the city to step up and support us. Thank you. Thank you Debra, are you still here? Debra? Sparrow Soncini and Stephanie Sanchez Hi, my name is Stephanie first time at a council meeting Um, and just wanted to say that um as a lifelong californian social worker Um, a believer in social and economic justice and a mom of an eight-year-old who uh wrote a letter to santa To ask if he could help with the ozone layer I'm really concerned about climate change And um, it's impacts both locally and globally and I hope that as our city representatives You'll take some local action to protect the planet for our kids and fund and implement the climate action plan And we're here tonight actually because we were supposed to be selling Girl Scout cookies But sparrow heard about the opportunity to be here to support the rosin library and she Really wanted to speak out about that and it's way past her bedtime, but she's here anyway So i'm gonna let her speak to you Hi, my name is sparrow. I was thrilled to have a library closer to my home And Please support that I think she wanted to talk about a little bit how important that library has been because she is a avid user of the library We check out books all the time Um, the rosin library has been a wonderful asset to us But unfortunately we are using it a lot to request books from other branches Um, which means we have to wait to read the books. We want to read. Is there anything else you wanted to say? Okay, well, I will say then um that it's become, you know, the library isn't just about books It's about community. It's about programs. It's about services. Um, it reduces social isolation And in southwest santa rosa, we all know, um, we haven't had the the amenities from the city historically That our population deserves and that's been getting better recently. We have a few more parks But this library could be a really important Community center for us. So I really hope that the city will step up And support the children and families and adults in southwest santa rosa that deserve A library. So thank you very much for your consideration Thank you so much for hanging with us and sharing your thoughts You know sparrow. I think a lot of us could have used girl scout cookies tonight Go back to february that too. Uh, katie santa has followed by reese foxen Is katie here? I'm I'm here. I'm short So, um, good evening. Thank you mayor and city council members I really appreciate all of the effort and work that you do and I we saw it tonight for sure um, I wanted to not so much do a specific Goal that I think but I would My life has been full of kids throughout my life my professional and volunteer life And even though kids can't vote or donate to candidates or any of that yet I ask you as you deliberate On your budget goals to consider using the lens Of how does this Help a child How does this program help a child and and just think about the fact that when there's a good investment for children It exponentially does good for our community A crushed child is an expensive child You know that with the violence prevention work that you've done You know that in our communities when there's good child care Moms and dads can go to work and be focused and there's more productivity So at any rate, that's one of the things that I wanted to say And another example of that is when we're talking about the the permanent roseland library Well, that's important because it it's it builds the community, but the love of literature lifts us up It really lifts us and it brings us to possibility thinking and we certainly need possibility thinking as we Move forward to deal with budget goals and budgets. Thank you very much again for all that you do Thank you. Katie Reese followed by Eula Kim Astrow Hi, my name is Reese Foxon, and I'm the chairman of the library commission And as you heard everybody loves the library, and I think it's great But more often than not it's taken for granted And people don't stop to think about what the return on their investment is Now for a patron they get back in services between five and nine hundred dollars a year That for every dollar spent per capita type thing That's eight to fifteen dollars For every dollar That's what a patron gets But what does a a city entity get? I've been looking at different studies since 2014 when we tried to pass a measure for sales tax Carried on through the 2016 and measure y And what I began reading was that for every dollar that is put into a library By a city entity they get three and a half to five and a half dollars back What's interesting is I went and checked on it because I wanted to update myself and see if I was still in the ballpark with it. It hadn't fallen or risen It had risen And now it's five to nine dollars That's what some of the cities here in california are reporting There is a state library study being done that would be concluded in june of 2019 That is a two-year study of the Return on investments for libraries. So hopefully we'll have more Concrete information at that point in time, but just using the three and a half to five and a half dollars Okay, if you put a hundred and fifty thousand dollars into the library every year Return for santa rosa would be between five hundred and twenty five thousand and eight hundred and twenty five thousand That's one quarter the The hundred and fifty thousand is one quarter of what it costs to run that library Okay, so we're putting in the rest of it the other whatever it is And what comes out of it is it's over six hundred thousand dollars. It's two point one million To three point one million dollars that is returned We don't get that money You get the money you get the taxes you get the business development and you get the infrastructure assets Plus you get an educated population And a population that is safer and steadier and causes less trouble So it reduces your costs as well as money you get back We employ over 200 people in the system Good many of them live in santa rosa. They shop in santa rosa. They entertain in santa rosa, etc Many of the people who don't live in santa rosa come to santa rosa to do those very same things So it is a real benefit and it's something to really seriously think about over the next month As to whether you would like to invest in the library or not. Thank you very much. Thank you Yula followed by Sharon dessert Good evening council members. My name is yula. I am here today because I'm scared I'm scared for my future and I'm scared for our future And I'm scared what it's going what our future is going to look like if we don't act on climate crisis now I'm scared because according to the ipcc climate report released in october of 2018 We have 12 years to rapidly transform and protect human civilization as we know it today I urge santa rosa to stand up and take action I want to see santa rosa backing a pro a program like the green new deal Which aims to address economic inequality and climate change at the same time This would improve involve a massive reinvestment of communities on the frontline of crisis We saw that right here in santa rosa with the devastating wildfires of 2017 And then again in 2018 with neighboring counties Struggling from the same devastation These fires are a feedback loop The 2018 wildfires released as much carbon dioxide as the energy used to provide the state's electricity for that year As far as I can tell we have two options We can play it safe or we can roll the dice Playing it safe would mean quickly reducing emissions And using energy more wisely to minimize maximize clean and renewable energy While minimizing carbon emitting pollutions As well as beginning an adaptation plan to manage the changing climate Rolling the dice would mean we wait and see if climate change is happening as fast as we think it is But by the time it's clear to everyone that this is a problem that this is not normal Um, it will either be too expensive or too late to fix So I want to see santa rosa take action I am very concerned about the climate crisis and I hope you devote adequate funds to efficiently address this problem Thank you. Thank you Sharon dessert. Yes, followed by lana Adla on I'm Sharon dessert, and I'm here to advocate for the roseland library um, I know that the words jpa have been mentioned in conjunction with fire services and part of the Structure of libraries in sonoma county is it's organized under a jpa a joint powers agreement Which has many murky areas One of the murky areas that we're addressing tonight is Asking that the city of santa rosa be a stakeholder in in this library Taking real ownership of it all the other libraries in santa rosa are owned by the city of santa rosa And there is no reason that the roseland library should not be owned by the city of santa rosa I will mention that the city of santa rosa will not have to put up all the money Because there's many many people who are willing to Donate money for such a worthy civic cause So please do your civics duty and become a stakeholder in this project Thank you, Sharon lana followed by nevin wolf saluti I'm lana. Adla and i'm uh the manager over the santa rosa branches for the sonoma county library I do want to thank the council members and mayor for moving out public comment. I appreciate it And I know the library supporters in the audience appreciate it too I also want to thank all the library supporters for being here tonight and sticking it out with all of us I'm here to advocate for funding for our temporary relocated library in roseland and also the permanent Fully realized vision of a library in roseland I know the city has really hard choices ahead with limited resources and we heard A few hours of those hard choices here tonight But I'd like you to consider the following you have a partner The sonoma county library is your partner in helping to provide services and programs for a temporary and permanent Location in roseland the burden of this service is not wholly on the city of santa rosa A small investment now for roseland will result in the established infrastructure you need for residents in that region The library is the community convener and again will be your partner in bringing city and county services to residents Imagine health services to the library support for social services and mental health initiatives Early literacy digital literacy free access to technology And a safe place for youth in the after school hours A small investment now is a huge return on an investment As resources and services are used by residents to better their lives their education and their employment prospects We had 27 000 residents walk through our doors last year and this is with the library only opened 27 hours per week to the public Finally the library is a trusted institution in a region of vulnerable residents Our doors are open and welcome to everyone Let us be your partner to bring services to this region Empower residents and fulfill their dreams of having a full service library For their kids family members and for themselves. Thank you. Thank you Nevin followed by anabelle lampson Um, good evening. My name is nevin. I'm a senior at credo high school in runnart park And i'm here today to ask you guys three things The first one is to please pass um The all-electric ready ordinance this will make it so that houses built now will be ready for the innovations that are coming in the future And are already coming Um Secondly i'd ask that the council allocates sufficient funds For the implementation of this climate action plan because the climate action plan has good things in it that we'd love to see It just needs to become real instead of just being words As one of my mentors likes to tell me he says that a budget is a moral document Um, the last thing that I'd like to see from the council is to make climate change and the climate crisis a first priority issue um This isn't just another issue among a list of others This is the foundation for all other issues to be solved upon because if we don't have A livable climate then it's really hard to work on things other things within the community. Um So yeah, I'm here not just for myself today, but for all the other youth that couldn't be here They're doing their homework and they're at the basketball game tonight. Um, but we're here because We really want to see these things happen and um I'd like you to please consider the moral implications Of continued inaction on climate. Thank you Thank you Annabelle followed by Mark Cruz Rio Stominguez Hello council members. My name is Annabelle and I'm a local student. I'm here to talk to you today about the Green New Deal and The importance of acting right now Against climate change As many of you know human industry is running rampant on our earth the same planet our ancestors have inhabited forever The same planet our children Will inherit from us I am here along with my fellow activists to stand for a livable climate for all Amidst the trump administration the overwhelming corruption in environmental protection and leadership Exemplifies a major issue in our political system Interests of corporations are being prioritized over the peoples When we as young people look to our representatives we hear merely at best That climate change is a problem What we need our public officials implementing systemic change as if system as issues like ecosystem decay Environmental racism and climate change are as urgent as they are The Green New Deal is a truly exciting movement the seeds of which i am committed to helping plan right here in our community For those of you who do not yet know the deal is about uprooting our reliance on fossil fuels and transitioning Immediately to renewable energy namely solar and wind In the meantime equitable jobs paying livable wages would be generated I would love to see our community be on the forefront of this campaign So we may serve as an example to California and national legislation and the executive branch We have no other option as a community Nation and world than to evolve into a sustainable paradigm deeming our current fossil fuel reliant industries obsolete In Sonoma county over half of our greenhouse gas emissions is from the transportation sector alone To end our dependence on fossil fuels we need to get out of our cars and walk and ride to work in school In order for citizens to do this there needs to be more bike-friendly infrastructure What's more we need to fade off of internal combustion engines as Sweden recently did I urge the city of santa rosa to take actions so our community may achieve this Discussing budget and economy Let us not forget about the climate crisis and our responsibility to contribute to solutions Rather than perpetuate it Thank you very much. Thank you Mark cruise rios domingas followed by terry oden All right. Yes. Hello. My name is Maria Cruz rios domingas and i'm a senior at rosa university prep And i'm here to advocate for the rosa and library and why it is essential for our community This is safe and open place for programs such as teen advocacy group also known as tag which is a Non-profit organization with the mission to encourage young latino students to learn about their health and resources provided for them in the community And it has also benefited art start a program for artists to use art as a way to Bring culture into the rosen community And when tag needed a place to meet the rosen library was there And when art start was painting the blocks by dollar tree They needed a place to put their painting materials and the rosen library was there for them Many of my peers struggle in school because they don't have access to internet or printers But the rosen library is there to provide it for them As a student a library is a necessity It is a place for students to complete their studies research and a safe place to bond a library not only provides books, but it also allows Access to computers, english second language classes and other beneficial resources A library is equipped with convenience support for youth and student As tutors health services advice and community service as well A library is a safe place for the public to learn together where children and students Learn how to find reliable online resources Tutors guide students and their work school work and children's read bilingual books with their parents A library is part of the rosen and will become part of the heart of the community So please help support the rosen library and thank you for listening Thank you. Terry odin followed by marisol in eliz Is terry here? Not seeing a terry move Marisol followed by stephanie manieri So marisol um had to leave she had to go pick up her son so but she left me her Uh, sure what you wanted to say, okay? Um, and I translated it she wrote it in spanish Good afternoon members of city council I am marisol angeles here today in support of the community for a better library A library with better conditions for our children our youth and even us the adults I know of several libraries better than ours and today we need your support for a better library in our community of roseland and on her little paper Marisol, uh did put that she's a part of the cbi group that Community building initiative through community action partnership And that's that's her Those are her words. Okay. Thank you. And then stefanie. Are you up? Yes, and they'll be followed by sarah or tease okay Good afternoon, mayor schwendo the members of city council My name is stefanie manieri and I am one of the new center of the city school's board members However, today I am here to speak to you as a lifelong southwest anorosa resident and community member That said, I'd like to share some thoughts A key finding in the report a portrait of sonoma county stated that the three lowest ranked census tracts in sonoma county Are the neighborhoods of roseland rosland creek and shepherd whose well-being outcomes are well below those of mississippi The lowest ranked state on the american human development index These scores manifest themselves in low life expectancy low life I'm sorry low high school diploma attainment and low socioeconomic status But what does this information have to do with a library? Well, we all know that a library is more than just a library They are often shared community spaces resource centers and safe havens They offer free programming like english classes tutoring for kids Maker spaces job training coding classes and legal aid just to name a few We know that public libraries help build healthy communities by providing a third place Outside of home and work or home and school to build random and intentional in-person relationships We also know that an established public library can empower communities by providing access to literature Which directly impacts literacy levels in a community these types of resources are a key factor in changing negative outcomes like those mentioned previously Now sanarosa has had its central library since 1859 then called the sanarosa free library The northwest library since 1968 and the rink and valley library since 1994 In fact the sanarosa free library is the is the 14th oldest public library in california The roseland library however has only existed since 2015 and unlike the other branches It is not recognized as a city branch the central and northwest libraries close between 6 p.m. To 9 p.m. During the week while the roseland library closes at 2 p.m. For the majority of the week stripping students of access after school hours So what we are talking about here is not an issue of just a library It is an issue of equity of public health of institutional segregation And of historical negligence of the people of southwest sanarosa We don't just want a public library We need a public library that is open past 2 p.m Has enough space to have the same type of programming as all of their libraries in the system And it's permanently established in our community This issue is near and dear to my heart because I grew up without a library in my community Because both of my parents worked full-time And I did not have the ability to maneuver myself in and out of southwest sanarosa to visit an existing library My only access to libraries were at school And even then time was limited and they do not offer the same type of services and programs that our public libraries do I was 18 years old and in college when I felt I was really exposed To the amazing place a library can be I tried to take advantage of all the resources at my disposal almost as if I had been deprived of such experiences my entire life So I am here to advocate for students in southwest sanarosa Who might have had a similar experience as myself. Thank you. Thank you, sypheny Sarah Ortiz followed by wane yamagishi Hello, i'm sarah and i'm the president of the sonoma county public library foundation Which has raised money for the library system for over 30 years And i'm happy to be here as a representative to also support the newest branch of the library in sanarosa in roseland The reason our volunteer board continues to fundraise for the library system is that libraries are great. Everybody knows that And they continue to be a priceless resource for the growing population of sanarosa Just last summer in summer reading over 11,000 children teens and adults participated across all the branches And every age group saw a double digit increase in participation from the previous year Which shows that library is becoming more crucial not less um author frank camiro says I once heard that a library is one of the few remaining places that cares more about you than your wallet It means that a person can be a person there not a customer not a user not an economic agent Not a pair of eyes to monetize but a citizen and a community member a reader and a thinker a mind and a soul As we consider that many spaces open to the public require some kind of buy-in such as purchasing food Our free spaces like libraries and parks become that much more important especially for children and teens I'm not sure if you saw the first five report on school readiness that was released last year But the research clearly found a correlation in sonoma county with visiting the library once a week and school readiness in children under five Currently over 500 children are registered Roseland library users and the proposed site of the temporary library is half a mile away from cook middle school Without the roseland library those children would be without a community library Which is critical to early and ongoing education Camaro goes on to say the library is one of the best places to get a real and generous sense of the city How does the city wish to be looked to the library? A library is the gift a city gives to itself As we continue to look for funding for the roseland library We have to ask ourselves as santa rosans who we wish to be and the kind of spaces We want to remain free and open to the public as the city considers helping support leasing costs for the temporary roseland library The sonoma county public library foundation continues to support the plan for temporary and permanent library in roseland We work directly with the roseland coalition on a previous capital campaign to raise funding and look forward to future discussion of partnerships to support the roseland library Thank you, sir Wayne followed by rachel gomez. Good evening. Um, I had prepared a statement here and it was quite Well done. I spent quite a bit of time doing that today But however, I've changed because I've realized that over the last few hours that I've sat sat here I've heard many articulate people talking about issues that are dear to them And much more articulate than I am talking about the library and learning climate climate issues and the data that we're all going to be faced with arts um communication process of decision making And I'm also thinking about as you seven council members Honorable people as well as our city staff How do you deal with all of this information? I'm wondering about that that process I I listened to uh council member so you're talking about I'm gosh being proactive and thinking about five or ten years from now if we made decisions then what would it look like I'm I'm seeing count. I heard council member Excuse me tidbits talking about being positive communicator. Well, I am going to be positive I want you to consider as you leave here tonight As a city manager or as a staff member as an attorney or one of the 13 people that represent departments Whether it be fire police Parks and rec How are you going to weave in one of the priorities that you have in your As one of your goals to um to create a sustainable climate And that is a tier Level two And I'm choking a little bit because I'm very passionate about it And a level two. I'd like to see you move it to level one Tier one that needs to happen Whether you make decisions about it from then is your is a challenge that you face in many areas including our library But I would like to see at least move to tier one and then develop the Strategies in order to make that happen. Thank you so very much. Thank you Thank you Raquel Gomez followed by remi fuentes Neither Raquel is not here Remi no Laura niche Irma Sarsia Do you have translator? No, I'm sorry that my son is my 14 years old has to go because it has a lot of homework So it was too late. I will do my best. So I will need extra minute, please. Maybe two minutes more Can I have it go ahead? Just just thank you First of all, I want to present My girl frances that make a wonderful art. Could you show you? Could you show your art the art? So is that picture you see they are handsome, but with that picture are better So where she learned that where do you think? Thank you So another thing that she learned She will show you he will present herself in three language.  Hello. My name is frances. I am seven years old My favorite color is orange. Thank you No, please give me Another thing because you know, I'm not very good teaching her So I use the library every single day and she's learning two language reading La gallina hambrienta La gallina muy hambrienta Que con la gallina La gallina hambrienta La gallina hambrienta La gallina hambrienta Muy hambrienta que comía y comía y crecía y crecía Y cuando mas comía mas crecía Tommy stays up late Tommy had a busy day He to School he played in the park So she's seven years old last two weeks How she learned in this is because I don't know how to teach but when we When I was pregnant from my son, I said what can I do? He's a challenging boy.  I don't want to throw it into the window So what can I do so I went to the library and for the first time in my life I see the The people were reading for the kids the babies, but at the same time I was having joy there So I learned how to read with them and I started so my son Learned how to read and write Spanish when he was three years old. She did when she was four Uh during the the fire And after the fire our immigrant and undocumented community Was suffering and still suffering Because you exactly know that the county the city and the state didn't help us Only the community and the nonprofit organizations and churches So when I came to united states 20 years ago I feel says only in two places that was church and library And it's amazing 20 years and now Is the only places I feel safe Why Because when I'm in the library, they respect my language even here. They don't respect my language They don't thinking about me. They don't know that I don't speak English But they forced me to speak Because it's the language is here. But when you see in the library, it's amazing, you know, chinese I know It's the only place they respect my culture my language And who I am If you taking away the part you taken so much From my life and not from me for all our children That we really needed. Thank you Thank you Adrian lobby followed by vet minor So i'm adrian lobby. I'm here on behalf of homeless action I would like to encourage you for the next budget discussion when you start your Your deliberations that you invite the community back To have these public comments so that the people who were not able to stay tonight You can hear from them There were several other people who wanted to talk about more funding for homeless issues So here's some things to think about You're coming up on a discussion about the chat program This chat program one of the reasons that it has not been fully utilized is that it is underfunded So i'd like to see that added another $50,000 to that program I'd like to see that you put about $200,000 into your budget For the services and support of tiny villages or safe parking These things are going to be coming up this year in front of you You'll want to fund them in a way that is robust so that they will be effective and useful and productive Now it might seem kind of Nervy for me to stand up here and say we have $200,000. Didn't you just see me Tried to laboriously cut money But you're going to see when you do your budget Re um two days worth of budgets you're going to see the public works come up and show you mounds and mounds of trash You're going to see the law enforcement Figures and if they're honest you will see plenty of places that they are spending tons of money Moving homeless people around and cleaning up after homeless people These are things that do not have to be done when you have tiny villages Safe parking and other kinds of resources for people to stay I'd like to say to you all and to the people in this room That homeless people are some of our first climate refugees Here in santa rosa the homeless people who have been affected by the fire and continue to be uncounted It's a very large percentage either immediately affected or secondarily displaced And finally I want to put my two cents in for the library The library is as one woman said a community place where you don't have to be a number And you don't have to have money to pay for your coffee And in santa rosa and sonoma county the libraries have welcomed homeless people Not as special people of special needs, but as human beings They've opened their hearts. They've trained their staff. They give good honest Healing services to many homeless people and we desperately need that in the southwest So, thank you very much. Thank you, adrian The vet minor followed by nick caston Good evening. Thank you so much for giving us the opportunity to speak our minds and have some input in with the budget cuts I know it's a difficult decision, but I'm glad I don't have to make it I am here to say am I my brother's keeper And the answer is yes Difficult times and difficult decisions since the annexation of rosen. We have been given the short end of the stick I am here to advocate for resources to be given to the movement for it at Of the community that have not had a fair and equitable Representation I understand things are tough This is where creativity comes into play thinking outside of the box This project have been in the making for many years To have a functioning library where many services are provided. It will be Damaging to the trust that has already been built by the community thus far We ask that you partner with soma county library to share the cost As a young child I spent many hours in the library pretty much my whole summer and My parents allowed us to go and play in the library and read and catalogs and you know all that old stuff and Because of that it won't help mold me Who I am today no matter where I go in the community no matter where I go in life That information that I received from the library is vital It makes me who I am today So it's an investment in people is an investment in in the community It's an investment that will have a return of investment because this is our future Not only for us, but for the kids that are coming up In the community So it's very important whatever you can do to help move this cost for it It would be greatly appreciated by myself and many others in the community There there's so many things exercising you know Reading of the books music. So please don't forget about roseland You all represent roseland until we can get somebody in office And until then we expect all of you to stand up for us And make a change. Thank you. Thank you vent Nick caston followed by rosalie abbott Thank you again for having this session and for Going through what it's a very long night Just by point of personal privilege I'd like to say it suggests that we reconsider the fact that late nights are not more accessible than during the day For people to show up and we might want to consider making earlier meeting times Along those lines, I also want to challenge What councillor rogers said earlier vice mayor rogers my apologies about cutting your pay The seven of you are the most important community outreach staff in the city your availability to meet with us To go to site visits to talk about policy is vital to the success of our ability as the community to engage with you in the city So I'd encourage you to look at the other direction $800 a month is not enough money for the most important policy decision makers in the city And I think you should make that a part of your budget Priorities second. I think that we should look at solutions As you're going through here in solution positions When we're looking at all the things i'm talking about today Climate change. Well, how do we reduce vehicle miles traveled? How do we get rid of Level of service traffic models? Well, that's city attorney position. That's a planner How do we make sure that we have solar homes?  Well, that's an engineer. That's a building inspector These solution positions that can solve multiple problems are the positions that you should invest in You should invest in them because the staff in this city the culture you have here Is far superior than any consulting firms that you can hire for those types of solution positions You walk into pd here and it is an entirely different world than walking into any similar department and other jurisdictions in the state because of the culture that you have So bring staff in not consultants for those positions so they can understand how san rosa does make things work so well Is vital and you should prioritize those types of positions in your budget I also wanted to say pd shouldn't be treated Just as a general fund resource It is essentially an auxiliary enterprise it brings in revenue and it does through through services that are provided I know it's not structurally that way, but it should be looked at that way And that means that you see both sides of the balance sheet as you move through budget priorities the revenue generated from those positions As well as the costs associated with them And lastly, I'd encourage you to look at building from the ground up Set your goals and priorities first and then figure out how you want to have that staff Structured in order to serve those priorities And then if things need to be reorganized put the positions out for hire and hire internally first Don't keep positions just because they're filled and let important positions go Unfilled because of that type of priority setting lastly Bigger tax base is a better way to raise tax Raise tax revenue than a higher tax rate. Thank you very much. Thank you nick rosalie abbott Good evening My name is rosalie abbott and i'm a teen services librarian for the sonoma county library My colleagues and I strive to serve all people of sonoma county on a daily basis Roseland is one of our most beautiful and yet marginalized communities I hope that the city of santa rosa will partner with the sonoma county library to better serve roseland This is the best investment of dollars that you could possibly make. Thank you. Thank you Would anyone else like to make any other comments to the council you need hadn't filled out a card See no one else We'll close the public hearing bring it back to um first a question I have for you mr. McBride. Could you reiterate other opportunities members of the public have to provide council with feedback about budget priorities Yes, mayor. There's uh as we mentioned before there's um There's an opportunity to give written input on the city's website with budget comments We've got a public meeting that's coming up on february 21st 22nd. That's open to the public. We've got Three budget workshops that will be taking place between april and may budget adoption And I think always just from my point of view probably the best way for people to get input into the budget processes to speak with one of you Great. Thank you council any questions or comments for staff mr. Vice mayor Yeah, just uh more of a comment to the public that stage is to thank you for sticking with us Um, I do I think all of us hear the importance of the the rosalind library and we'll discuss that i'm sure I also uh when it personally when it comes to environmental and climate issues I do think we should have a conversation and goal setting about Making it a goal for this city to be 100 renewable energy other cities have done it They have a roadmap for how we should get there and so I'd be interested in having that conversation in our goal setting as well You any other questions or comments? Mr. McBride, do you have any do any other additional direction from council? No, mayor. All right. Thank you We'll then go back to item 14.3. Mr. City manager Item 14.3 report city government complex public private partnership feasibility analysis david gooin and jason nut And a cast of characters presenting. All right. Good evening. Thank you For sticking with this we will move through this presentation. We do have a a team again My name is david gooin and the the director of planning and economic development Also with me is jason nut director of transportation public works I also want to recognize the actual individuals that have done the Most of the work on getting us to this point. I'm all the work all the work rice daila rosa from economic development and Jill scott uh with from our Right away agent and also we have bob robert gamble with pfm who has been assisting us along the way as well Providing some guidance and I also do want to take a one second We did have about five members from the county here earlier From the general services department Another good example of how the city and county have been working very well together in terms of looking at how we can help each other through this Brainstorm Look at alternatives and they've been an enormous help to us and a great partner to get us to this point The individuals caroline judy keith peter tony and pamela. They were all here and I just want to give them a shout out for For the work they did on helping us get to this point Because I know they're out there watching this tonight So to start off, uh, just real quickly what we're talking about in terms of a p3 which Essentially is a public-private partnership The bottom line is it's a contract between a public entity and a private entity That essentially outlines the provisions of assets and how the services are delivered Um, it's it's an alternate way of doing business It's an alternate way of looking at public infrastructure. It's outcome based and it offers a different variety of financing options Uh, I'm going to go a little bit into how we got to this point, but back in May of 2018 the council and the board of supervisors both gave direction to us the city and the county to work together over the past few months Learn best practices from other governmental projects that are out there And conduct a market research and engage stakeholders to understand what what the Lay of the land is with p3s And again, I apologize to taking one step back from that The whole reason we're looking at that is that we do have a facility We do have assets that do need a lot of maintenance and work put into them over the next few years We also are looking at how do we can stimulate housing and create a vibrant Economy and so all those Elements came together for us to think more creatively about how we do business And provide an option for the council to look at and that's what we're going through with you today So the goal that we had right from the beginning is to increase downtown and community the county admin center land availability for housing and mixed use development By potentially consolidating government services And providing a more dense potent land use use of our land And providing a streamlined access to our services So again part of this has to do with how do we interact with our customer base and our the community? And how can we make that more streamlined and consolidated? The objective of doing that is to Opportunistically use downtown city land for housing and mixed use development Resulting from the need to replace and consolidate the city's admin services And try to stabilize the cost and resilience of our infrastructure over time So that's kind of the base and the objectives in this goal of what we were trying to accomplish as we move through this Um typical values we you hear about when you hear a p3 and things that we were looking into to see how this would play out Essentially is how can we leverage real estate? and commercial development I'm sorry leverage real estate for housing and commercial development Improved the economic vitality of an area by investing in an area and we'll talk about that in a second consolidating functions we talked about Reducing the ongoing maintenance and obligations that we have as a city So all of the city buildings that you'll hear about in a second from director nut and then look at Financially viable approach to this So this is a perfect timing to have this conversation because you just heard a lot of the budget issues that we have So we're going into this eyes wise Oh eyes wide open that this is not a free approach to a new city hall or a new a free free money But it is to look at another way to try to come up with a some sort of A viable approach to a long term Goal of maintaining the assets that we do have and operational needs So we talked a little bit about earlier tonight You did hear a lot of our revenue comes from sales tax and property tax So when you look at the county and the city combined It is a majority of the revenue that comes into support operations of both of our our agencies From the city of Santa Rosa, it's about half So when you look at half of the revenue that supports the city is for property tax and sales tax And that's important when you start when we start looking at How we build how we locate how we utilize our land to generate increase that property tax and sales tax So we have run analysis is through This the p3 urban 3 model We did a city-wide and we also took a look at specific sites in the downtown to see what type of Impact that would have on the city's revenue sources In terms of how dense how high how we utilize that that those properties and what that return is in terms of property tax and then in the subsequent sales tax and Economic increase around the area So this is something that we're going to keep in mind as we move through this as we talk to the county about What the value of locating additional employees downtown As we start to look at consolidating put ourselves on a smaller footprint and then allow for additional higher density housing and other economic Activities so that's this is one of the big the big keys of the efforts that we're looking at today So p3 the just real quickly as a as a reminder that p3 is Kind of the the middle ground so the bottom bar on this chart essentially Talks about design bid bill. This is what we do Fairly regularly in the public works department for pretty much every project that goes on the street. It's that bottom gray bar and as we move up the risk increases and the Private sector risk increases to the right. So what happens is as we move up the design build Essentially, we have an we have an example of that with a solar panel project I think that was one of the first design builds the city put in place That was a slight shift of risk to the the private development But it was another way of procuring that that service What a p3 is is going to step further It's design build maintain all the way to design build finance operate and maintain So somebody that would take it over design it build it We set criteria what we're hoping to get out of it somebody would maintain that asset And operate it for us for a certain period of time at a set cost. So essentially more risk to the private entity but more of A commitment on the side of the public entity So we talk about what the scope of what we're looking at we focused on downtown But as this map shows there is a couple other parcels we want to talk about these parcels are This this city the city hall that we're currently sitting at right now across the street First street all the facilities the city owns The parking lot across from the post office site at east street eat and eat and second The library site that is a site that's owned by the city There's the library site is on that the library has approached us about Looking to partner and being part of a project and being engaged in this conversation And so they're interested to see what opportunities there are out there We've also identified some others pieces of property that we own in this downtown area including There's the public safety facility again That's another big asset that we don't want to forget about and looking at what Options there are for either inclusion in this p3 or a potential project in another format And we'll get to that in a second. So this is the the world we're looking at and the other thing we added was the msc Public works in water department administration offices So the thought would be that if we do consolidate Services in terms of admin that we would look at the potential of utilizing that land as a potential trade So the concept being what land do we have what value does it have Does that help offset the cost of of creating a new city hall and freeing that land up for another use? Which could be housing and some other form So we wanted to get creative I want to put every option on the table and to talk about why we pick these and kind of what impact that is And the value of picking these i'm going to turn it over to director net Good evening. So back in so part of what Makes this process interesting is to look at the facilities that we currently own and maintain and what they what condition they're in how spread out as our organization and what makes sense for us as far as structure in the long run and So back in may This last year we presented a facilities condition assessment report to the city council And in that report we reviewed and evaluated 114 of the city's 118 structures And with that the consultant developed a facilities condition index Now as we talked at that time, we're all getting very familiar with what a pavement condition index is This is the buildings version of what a pavement condition is And so in this case a zero is the best and best facility A one is the worst facility something that needs to be demolished Right now we're sitting in an area where we're a facilities condition index of between Point three five and point four five. We're in the in the Aging to back end of fare Moving towards an area of poor condition and just as a general note In going through that process. They looked at just about every component of each of the facilities Including the structure including the electrical the basic interior finish The exterior components of that everything that makes up the value of that operation And ended up coming up with not only an annual investment strategy But a prioritized list of strategies We asked them to look at a program that was 25 years long with 2017 being the base year So to give you a start on what that looks like And then what we'll do is I go through the next couple of slides. I'll tie in how this fits in with the p3 conversation We and as we talked about earlier in the budget discussion facility condition is becoming a major area of concern and by Holding on to assets that have poor condition that have high maintenance costs That we have not been able to invest in adequately might not be the best long-term solution And there might be some other way or approach for us to take that on Our current so what you see here is is a graph that shows a deferred capital maintenance over the course of that 25 years So we grow from what currently is somewhere on the order of about a six million or a six and a half million dollar deficit for 2017 to an area of over 88 million dollars by 2041 if we continue on the current level of investment that the city is putting towards those 114 structures That's actually the bar. That's the second one from the top That doesn't take into consideration any inflation Associated with reconstructing of any of those improvements. Now if you look a little further down, there's another horizontal bar That's yellow. That's a little hard to see in some cases That would be the annual investment that ultimately adds up to the bars on top um The green and the blue uh demonstrate our total facilities budget That means every dollar that we put into currently maintaining our facilities all 114 of those facilities Is captured there and we're about About six million dollars on the front end, which if we look at our budget strategy of adding about two percent a year Grows to almost nine million toward the end of 2041 But that takes that's all of our labor all of our services and equipment and all of our capital Now, let me just tell you this we invest about 300 000 a year in the capital For keeping up these buildings Historically above that budgeted 300 000. We've been adding about 1.6 million dollars over the last 15 years if we aggregate that to an annual To an annual cost For items that are above and beyond our standard operation. That's the little blue dot or the little blue Bar that you'll see there on the bottom end So then if we take that and look at this is just an annual component So now you and the reason I did this is so that you can start to see the blue The blue bar part of the graph Again, this is the historical Amount of money that we're putting in approximately 1.6 million dollars And then the bars above that are the annual components the lower bar is what was included in the facility's assessment This is just the maintenance associated or the deferred maintenance associated what the building actually needs Roughly over the next 25 years and you can see it it fluctuates up and down They did this based on prioritization life safety first High value second and then working their way through to basic maintenance toward the back end of this the last 11 to 20 years The bar above that includes some of the pieces that they didn't they they didn't include Such as a da compliance As seismic retrofit We're estimating that that's about another million dollars a year of investment to bring those up to current code Through all 114 structures that were evaluated And so that's why we are trying to show you this to you to see kind of where the gapping is and again This is historical capital expenditures. Our actual budget. It is about 300 000. It just touches The bottom of that of those blue bars Now the question is is how does this what what does this mean for us? I'm kind of presenting this this Somewhat dire situation when it comes to our facilities and this is where the p3 comes in it's it's if We as a city make it We have a choice We can make an investment in the facilities that we currently are operating in an effort to bring them up to current standards To try to make them fit within our fire and seismic safety the ada compliance And we look at the level of investment that we're currently putting into these buildings Or we take and wrap those funds up and we put it towards something else Something else that fits within the p3 discussion that david will be finishing up through the rest of the presentation And so what this chart shows you is a is a bunch of different things It starts with the preventative maintenance preventative maintenance. That's our people That's the individuals that work specifically on buildings within the city's asset list Now this particular chart only is looking at Those facilities david showed you in the prior figure that we've identified to include as part of a p3 discussion So this is the six buildings in the downtown that we believe Have value to move towards this p3 discussion And so the preventative maintenance is the staffing associated with those specific buildings Then you look at the services and supplies That's the other part of the budget associated with that staff to keep these buildings up and operating The blue as we talked about that's the historical So if I break down that 1.6 million dollars that we evaluated over the last 15 years It's about a million for these six buildings. So over half of that 114 Investing 114 structure investment exists in the six buildings here in the downtown um the yellow is That component of the annual required investment that was described by The facility's condition assessment and so that's I'm showing it differently. It's not in a bar or it's in a bar chart as opposed to uh in a line graph But it if the city were to find a methodology to pay for those improvements This is how that would start to aggregate To a value that could then be rolled up elsewhere And then the last two the two top ones are the ada and the seismic associated with the Bringing these buildings up into compliance in over a 10-year period The last piece I want to show you are the two the two lines that are kind of on the upper right of the screen and those Are what we've used as examples, which is the city of napa's p3 project and the city of long beach's p3 project This is the annual investment that they're Required to pay in order to get into the buildings that they're in And so we wanted to show you somewhat even if we're able to gain the Or if we're able to invest the way we should be investing There still is some gapping required in order to meet somewhere Within those two example projects to to bring this project to completion But but that's part of the discussion that we think will begin to work its way through over the course of of this next component of the project and so With that i'll pass it back over to david to start talking about how this fits into our scheme moving forward Great thank you. We can come back to those graphs if you have more questions But the examples that director net touched on Where the city of napa and long beach? So those are two projects that are currently underway the city of napa has not started construction yet They were moving full speed ahead and I believe they are on pause a little bit doing some reevaluation of the scope of that project But they're looking at about 130,000 square feet They have a total cost of 110 million with an annual payment of six million So that's the initial dollar amount that you saw there on the graph in the previous graph and the city long beach is almost done with construction And a few few of us have been on tours of that site They have about a hundred and eighty million dollar project with about a fourteen million dollar payment Again city napa they Some of the things that we learned from them and talking with them They did they did use a technical advisor to help them through the process Getting the stakeholders engaged early is a key piece. I'll talk about that a little bit later And then their procurement method of the rfq rfp and how they did that in tandem was something that we've looked into Long beaches is one that's further along and is a pretty interesting example more mirrors along the lines of what we're looking at maybe not to this scale, but The the elements of it of having multiple players at the table So essentially what happened in long beach was that they worked with the city of long beach the port of long beach Both got together To identify that they both had a need so they identified land that was available that the city owned They partnered on that the little yellow box in the bottom used to be a parking lot that the city of long beach owned They turned that over to the developer the developer started built housing on that first to generate revenue to help pay for the rest of the project lower the cost So the city got housing the money went to try to help defer the cost And they got they established additional open space and green space for the public and in ways for the public to engage And so at the end of this they're looking at a new city hall a port building a library in public amenities Also about 800 residential units a 250 room hotel and a supermarket is part of the project So those that's a project that again uses multiple land multiple properties multiple players at the table And it's something that we're looking at and we've talked quite a bit with them and are continuing to talk with them about The county of Sonoma as we mentioned before they are in the exact same position. We are we've started looking at this at the same time I'm I'm announced to each other. We bumped into each other to p3 conference and continue the conversation ever since and Looking at how we can share Knowledge work together and move through this process The best we can they they have a goal of reducing their maintenance cost and investing in their infrastructure Improving access to services Creating housing and strengthening the economy. That's that's what their their provisions are and they presented to the board of supervisors this afternoon Essentially a very similar presentation that we have today And and the board of supervisors is interested in looking at moving forward. They do have an aging complex about 19 I think it was built in about 1950 in the 50s 56 And so they're looking at changing from this suburban model to a higher density again Potentially downtown freeing this land out for additional housing stock So what we did over the past few months has reached out to get a sense of Is this something that's feasible? Is this are we on the right thinking the right way? What's better to Co-load or co-co-co-locate with another agency or have separate sites Do one rfp or separate rfps rfis? Sale versus lease bundling property properties and a different type of a curament method So we reached out and sent surveys out Think 395 went out around the country and we got a pretty good response. We had 69 in response Responses and then from those responses had 25 in-depth long interviews Jill scott was on those interview calls. I think almost all of them and Got a lot of good information from around the country about what works What doesn't what people would be interested in and that helped us get a frame of reference about what's out there and what the potential is The the bottom line is pretty much most Every most people we talked to are would be very good at bidding on something like this if we had both these projects And what we're looking at trying to accomplish The other interesting piece about it is is we did pitch all the improvements and process improvements that we've made over the year in terms of With the station area plan process improvements and other things from fersiqua that Really raised the interest of developers because it's something that a big hurdle that in most agencies in most communities They have to overcome on top of everything else. And so that was of interest to a lot of people So basically the the takeaways Essentially we hire hire some somebody to help help us through this process, which we'll talk about in a second It's important to have clearly fine goals everybody that we talked to Said that's pretty much the issue about the problem where the problems start is if the Goals start to shift and things shift in the process because it changes the whole the whole game Buying from elected officials to make sure that that's something that you want to accomplish And define the budget and the financial resources. And so that's that's where we are today We've we've done this research. We've found what we need to do We found the next steps We we still feel like it's a viable thing based on everything that director nut pointed out and all the information we've researched So at this point we've we have a pretty good understanding of what sites we have the opportunity sites We have a pretty good understanding of best practices. We've done our market research We've looked at the procurement methods. What we haven't done though is got got more detail information and more Expertise to help us identify the costing and financing mechanisms So we can bring back good data to the council to say is this is this fit in the scheme of what can be possible or should we Not do this try a different approach and look at something else We haven't looked at the service impacts very closely And we have not spent a lot of time with engaging the community and getting the community and vision as part of that So part of what we have coming up with a downtown stationary plan will include some of this conversation to make sure we're not Doing this in a vacuum. This is something that we want to get input on From from the public is very key. So we're at this point where we have An option to continue looking at our deferred maintenance. How do we manage that through everything else we have going on? Or explore this other option Which is this study and to do this next step? We need to invest we need to invest about 350 thousand dollars That's money that we currently already have allocated in our budget that we would put towards this to get to this next step So we're not asking for any money tonight The Next step would essentially be to hire a consultant to help us look at the economic feasibility Look at the operational needs community goals and the capacity and then that way we can At these Key points come back to the council And step through this step by step with an outlet at every every point because this is a big decision There's big costs down the horizon. So we want to make sure we have data to even determine How this could work. So the first step here. We are tonight on phase one phase one would be doing this next study We think we would get that done by The fall Potentially come back in the fall or winter to the city council with more data and more information that information would then give us A direction either to go forth and create an rfp and that that's a Considerable amount of money to create that rfp. So we need to make sure we have the information to to do that If we did that then we would create the rfp and put Do go through the procurement process And then ultimately go through a selection process and negotiation to develop that contract So every step of the way there's another there's more commitment and more resources needed to move it forward And so that's why we want to keep checking in to see if this is still The right path along with everything else that we have going on So that's the the timeline in a The big picture of the timeline Again, what we're here tonight is for phase one only again to give to go through more detailed data And so that's where we are tonight. It's recommended by both departments That we move forward and bring those consultants on board and to bring back additional information to the council As we find that out through that process And we are here to answer any questions for you Thank you for the presentation sexual refreshing. You're not asking for any money right now. Is that what I heard? That's correct. We're asking to spend the money. Correct All right bring it back to council any questions for staff mr. Thank you, mr. Mayor. I have a question and a request one is the question Are we thinking revenue bond general obligation bond or Tax increment financing, how's this going to get paid for? I'm going to have bob gamble from pfm talk about the different financing mechanism And that's essentially the heart of what we're trying to get at in this next step Also, I'm bob gamble with public financial management the city's financial advisor I've done about 15 of these And they're all different. They all use different forms of financing I think it's fair to say at this point. We don't know what forms of financing that will be used It won't be one It will likely be multiple forms of public financing and private financing as well So that mix will will become will be determined during this process that david was just talking about Being honest. Do you think this city in its current condition is even eligible to do a certificate of participation to pay for something like this? The city has capacity to do to do a cop certainly It's it's a strategic question as to whether that's The best form of financing to use or not. Okay. It is I will say it's it's good to have that option on the table Because it affects your ability to use the other options Okay, perfect My only other request would be is that when this plan does come back It might already be planned, but I just want to air it out there in the public domain Is that we come back with just basically kind of an estimation of what liquidation of all properties across the board Could do because we just went through this budget rigmarole tonight And I think that we've got a way it accurately as here's what it would look like if we went down the p3 road Potential economic multipliers and impacts down the road for the downtown the businesses other financial interests Also taking a look at just what it would do to pay down a lot of our debts our liabilities and their community priorities Mr. Soria Thank you, mayor On slide 16 There are a fair number of very important questions Is when do those questions get Answered So these are the questions that we asked those 69 respondents that that answered so we we do have a fairly hefty I think you've got the packet over there. It's a fairly big response that entire binder. There is a response of those questions So the county and the city and jill in particular went through those summarized I'm identified what the percentage was so we actually have percentages break down for every one of the questions We didn't put them all in this presentation, but we have the data we have the The synopsis of that we can go through that with you if you'd like More curious about The chicken and egg in phase one you're talking about a feasibility study in financial analysis Which of course would depend on whether they're with us or not So when when does that get sussed out? So I think what we've what we found and the reason we're here tonight is that from those surveys We felt from staff's perspective that there was interest that there is that the way what we have on the table The assets we have and what we're hoping to accomplish was something that there was interest from That we felt confident enough to come to you to say it's it's worth going to the next step to do What bob gamble talked about in terms of running the financial analysis running different financial scenarios And looking at the scope of the project at this point. It's very exciting and I can see even more Crane swinging than I ever thought might be in the future. Thank you councillor combs Thank you, and I I appreciate it's late. It's hard to make Sort of a this for me. This would be a lengthy conversation And I appreciate that it's late and we can't make this be a lengthy conversation tonight Um I appreciate that you have a list of survey participants And I appreciate that we have a responsibility and you have a responsibility To represent the public interest As we move forward none of the survey participants are knowledgeable members who would express public interest first And I I appreciate that that may be hard to find Um, and I'll be but it means that we have an extra obligation um We have to say in the long term does this advance the public good? and Many of these work really well, and I'm excited and they're triple wins And there are some that don't work so well And at this stage, it's really hard to tell How to make that evaluation based on the information we're being given And I can't tell if if our consultant Helps us make that evaluation or if our consultant is very interested in moving forward any p3 that they can do I I can't tell I don't know I just I can't tell so i'm reading a document Uh a guide to understanding and evaluation infrastructure public private partnerships from the Uh in the public interest And it has a whole series of questions and things to look at when you're making these kinds of decisions I don't have time to ask you these questions. I mean, I'd love to but it's Going on 11 and So what do we do as an entity? And again, I want to bring this forward with the hope of a triple win I see the possibility of a triple win And I don't know how in the next minute To do the kind of evaluation on this proposal that you're asking us to make Give me guidance on what your advice and recommendation is Knowing and I appreciate you've got a timeline on here We're gonna sometimes I feel when I see a timeline like that is really helpful and we get a lot of public comment Sometimes it feels kind of like a jigger. Yes, we're gonna move And again, I'm not seeing Where is where is the consultant for us specifically to represent public interest And is this that group or is this Can you help me absolutely those are great questions? And I think you brought up a good point about the public engagement public input piece and that you're absolutely right That's paramount to what we want to do here. Um, this is where this is trickier because it's knowledgeable public input It's not just general. I mean, I want general public interest input, but This requires a special understanding of how these move forward, right? So we're we're gonna try to engage as much as we possibly can and I'm gonna ask bob to chime in on the process Bob bob is our city's Looks out for the city's financial interest and that's what pfm's hired to do So that's one person we bring on board but the city's financial interest and the long-term general interest of the public may not necessarily be Identical sure. So I think what we're at right now is looking at What do we what data do we need to collect to have that conversation because at this point? We've done enough We've done as much as we possibly can at the staff level now We need to bring in some experts to help us think through some of the details and um, bob Do you want to talk to this a little bit? Thanks, david What I would add to that is that You're correct that there is there is a there's a fundamental tension in a public-private partnership between the public interest and the Private interest it is the job of of the advisors To the public to the public sector and the public sector itself to protect its own interest And the essence of a public-private partnership that works well is it is the capturing A private interest to work for the benefit of the public and that is the objective That's why it's important as david said to have have the objectives defined very clearly up front And as you go through that process up there, which is a long process there have to be off ramps And there may be points in the process where you just decide it's it can't work It's not going to work and we can just get off at this next exit So it I guess I would add to that that our be clear When you've said that I really want us to find a solution because I think we need one but Okay, yes, and and obviously This process would not have gotten this far and you would not be being brought this tonight if there were not a perspective that It can be successful Okay, will we have the opportunity to go through this in much more detail and Yes, so the what we have right now pretty much what I presented to you tonight was the fact that we went out Surveied got some general information. We looked at what assets we have we did some Looked at our facilities assessment Incorporated that facility assessment into this conversation And now we're at the point where we need to hire some consultants to help us run through some scenarios Come up with some information for you and we're going to come back and have a long lengthy conversation about What this means and how this fits together and that's going to be the decision Analysis of the consultant will be providing us include sort of a more detailed understanding of the public benefit that will come Is that part of the feasibility? Yeah, yes, so again as bob mentioned there's got to be both There's got to be a public benefit to what we're accomplishing here And so that we want to we have to document that quantify it and make sure that that's something that we would be Even interested to bring forward to the council at that point. Thank you very much. I appreciate your patience with my question Mr. Tivas Thank you, mr. Mayor one more request on that is With this next report, so I do support you going forward. I think this is good information I think it's a failure not to try But with this this report from the consultants Well, we then get information on what the cost is and I'm sorry to keep harping on that But I think that it is going to be a herculean lift to do this And I think that we that we have to have as the elected officials of the community a very real conversation about What this civic center would be coming at the expense of other community priorities relating to taking on debt for the city So so my my request is or my ask is will this come with with that price tag? Yes. Okay. Yes. Thank you Thank you I don't need an answer now, but but mr Going I would be interested just because I saw emcee south Is it the only one there and another some property just west of emcee north that city property I'd just be interested. I mean there's a lot of land out there There's probably some reason that you don't have to have to answer now But I'd be interested in hearing it. Could that be part of a portfolio? Just do the size of the land okay, so Several cards here. We'll first start with george uberte followed by peter rumble I just uh, I'd like to call your attention to the beginning of this meeting When I asked you all if you were having fun And then I told you I would be here till close Now I I feel like those are two things that I've delivered on Just tonight right That's what I do I make my mind up my own mind And and then I stick to my guns and I do what's right Because that's who I am Right, and I don't know what it's going to take for that to get through to you All right, but that's what's going on Now I was ruminating on the words public-private partnership I was like, where have I heard that before and then I was like, oh, yeah, national socialism Right. It's pretty much the same thing Right public-private Partnerships that's not that doesn't happen It's not real All right, and I'm not going to stand up here and play pretend with you.  That's what the real grown-ups do wrong opposite of that Adults say what they mean. They mean what they say they make their minds up and they do the right thing All right, you're acting like children.  I don't care how much money you have involved in it All right, there's nothing you and I are equals. Do you understand that? All right, do you understand that what is valuable to me is as valuable to me as anything that you've got And I don't care what it is Do you understand? All right So this idea that you're the grown-ups and that you've got some little slice secret that you're passing Around with each other is nonsense. It's an illusion that you have and it makes you weak All right, it needs to stop And needs to stop immediately a public private partnership is national socialism. This is america You don't get to be a nazi in america Period All right, and if I got to stay here till two o'clock in the morning to get that through to you nine-year-olds I'll do that All right, but enough is enough All right, we don't put up with this. There's more of us than there are of you All right And you don't have anything that we don't permit you to have Okay, and you can sit here and play pretend and think it's important Right, and you can shake each other's hands and you can do whatever and you can threaten me with cops And you can do whatever you're gonna do All right, but I've heard it all before believe me All right, this is not my first rodeo. Believe it or not. All right, you're new to knowing I'm here I'm not new to being here Okay Enough is enough I think I've made that clear You can go home now. Good night Good evening. It's really Really wonderful to be here No, truly I'm not trying to be funny at all, you know, six years ago or so I got, you know, stone faces when I suggested that the city and the county Consider Collocating together primarily because the city and the county weren't really talking to each other at the time So to be here tonight Now legitimately talking about whether or not this is possible is Monumental and fulfilling and I'm so glad that David and Caroline Ran into each other at the conference To put some momentum behind this idea A ton of information to go through many many decisions to be made And a lot of information to come yet So I'll just convey what I conveyed to the county board this afternoon Can just move Move forward take a step forward collect that information Have a choice To either continue or to go You don't even have to decide whether or not the county and the city are going to be together now If you can just picture The future of this Opening up the county campus to significant housing and retail development Flat land close to the freeway Bring services close to a train And bus depot With similar access to the freeway. I don't understand why there's this notion that you can't drive downtown santa rosa and Much more commercial retail Opportunities here for the workers plus if you open up Right the site that we're on now to the creek put some housing here to connect our arts districts With our downtown You know the possibilities of this are Are really really wonderful again a lot of details to be worked out The final thing that i'll mention is that if we can look out to post 2020 And think about when a shovel could go into the ground for something like this Then we're talking about the pretty much the end of our rebuild efforts And any kind of major housing development as well Hopefully not the end, but this could be a significant public investment In local jobs local construction Further boosting our economic activity further boosting our property tax values And just there's there's so much positivity to this. So thank you very much for hopefully moving forward Thank you peter Ian sealy Happy late evening council mayor and council And sealy speaking for concerned citizens for santa rosa I see this as a very positive thing It is incredibly complex and that is why a consultant is being considered I do want to point out in the executive summary of the uh staff report it stated that the P3 could leverage government owned real estate to preserve to provide for downtown housing commercial development and a consolidated government civic complex Given the limited and very precious funds that we'll be using I would hope that emphasis could be placed on housing especially housing for lower and moderate income people As it has been so difficult to achieve Commercial development should be supported for assisting housing in service to housing such as in multi-use Facilities to provide for child care facilities or for a grocery store or other services to the housing component The government civic complex is crucial to provide for the land for housing as well as to strengthen government services The use of a consultant is understood as necessary to the success of pulling off what has now up to now been Just a conversation among people I appreciate the comments by council members about the need for The public input in what finally happens, but we're way far away from that and I just want to say I hope you proceed with this. Thank you Thank you Mr. Oliver as you have this item Thank you make a motion authorizing the statute initiate phase one of the public private partnership p3 procurement process Which includes engagement a professional consultant through a competitive solicitation process to assist In analysis of location financial and request for qualifications slash proposals rfq rfp feasibility second Did you catch that second madam city clerk? Any for the comment Your votes, please In that passage unanimously. Thank you Do we have any additional cards? Is there a tony jorality in the house? First time first time a speaker's been heckled go ahead tony Good evening, uh, mayor schwedhelm Distinguished members of the city council. Um, I was hoping to be here a few weeks ago But I apologize for my retardedness. I want to uh, convey to you my, uh, heartfelt, uh, gratitude for Saturday december 22nd each of you I volunteered one hour of your very precious time To raise money for the salvation army for their, uh, holiday kettle drive It was a It was a very successful day Lots of people came out And I had a goal of $2,000 for the day and the amount that we raised was $2,011 and 83 cents Thank you very much The salvation army real quick it's a Wonderful organization The morning of the fires they were the first organization to be at the snowman county fairgrounds evacuation center to assist with those in need and Um, I just uh Let's go home. Yeah, thank you very much appreciate it. Thank you before we do adjourn the meeting Last Friday, some of you may have heard the city santa rosa lost one of its most cherished residents linda angel Passed away linda had been a champion for red road square in fact 13 years. She was the president So in honor of her memory, uh, we'll adjourn this meeting