Hey, this is Bret and I'm excited to show you this brand new 2023 Jeep Wrangler Sport Freedom Edition. This 2023 Jeep Wrangler Sport Freedom Edition is stock number 23J44. I am here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. You're new and use Jeep and Jeep Wrangler headquarters. This 2023 Jeep Wrangler has the 3.6 liter Pentastar V6 engine. It puts a 285 horsepower, 260 foot-pounds of torque. It's going to get you 24 miles per gallon on the Highway 20 city for an average of 21 miles per gallon. It's paired up with the 8-speed automatic transmission. Color is black, clear coat has the color-matched fenders and color-matched hard top.  Starting off here, you can see that it comes with the metal front bumper, which is part of that Freedom Edition.  Color-matched fender flares on this one. You also get the American flag on there, the blacked-out Jeep and Wrangler lettering. You also get the rock rails part of that Freedom Edition. These wheels and tires are special for the Freedom Edition as well. These are 17-inch gloss black painted alloy rims. It comes with Goodyear Wrangler 245-75 R17 tires. These are all-terrain adventures, so definitely an all-terrain tread pattern to them. A couple little Easter eggs.  And the other thing for the Freedom Edition, you get this gloss black sticker on this kind of indent on the fender there. T-50 on the doors to signify getting those doors off with the T-50 Torx wrench. I actually did a video on how to take your doors off your Wrangler. If you want to check that out, that's in the upper right-hand part of the screen. I'm going to check out the original window sticker here. Feel free to pause this, so I'm not going to go through everything, but most of it. So a Wrangler 2-door Freedom Edition 4x4. So you'll see that it is in the Sport family. Black clear coat, black interior, leather seat with cloth inserts, 3.6-liter 8-speed automatic transmission. Right here is your standard equipment. Optional equipment starts right here with the black clear coat paint, which is $495. Customer-preferred package of 25F is your Freedom Edition. So basically, I think the F stands for Freedom Edition 25F is a $6,495 option. And everything that comes with the Freedom Edition is right there. So your leather seat with cloth inserts, Freedom Edition package, Freedom Package decals, Wrangler decal, Oscar Mike Badge, body color fender flares, American flag decals, 17-inch rims, Freedom Edition swing gate plaque, Freedom Edition interior accents, LED headlamp and fog lamp group, rock protection, Silvrails, deep tint window screen, 245, 75-hour 17 tires, power heated mirrors, remote keyless entry, front LED fog lamps and reflector headlamps again, and daytime running lamp LED accents in the fenders there. Sun visor illuminated vanity mirrors, body color grille with gloss black rings, and the steel front bumper, all part of that Freedom Package. So that's everything you get with the Freedom Package. Technology group is $1095, gives you the enter and go system, or front door passive entry and lock, air conditioning with automatic temperature control, cluster 7-inch display, serious satellite radio for six months. Convenience group gives you the home link system for your garage doors, which is $795, cold weather group is $1395, heated seats, remote start, heated steering wheel and leather wrap steering wheel, trailer tow and heavy-duty electrical group is $1195, gives you the auxiliary switches, 700 amp maintenance free battery, glass 2 receiver hitch and 7-in-4 pin wiring.  Total MSRP on this one is $53,425. If you want to get your summit price with availability, rebates and incentives in the upper right-hand part of the screen is a link to our website for that. Three-year 36 bumper-to-bumper and five-year 60 powertrain warranty. It's 20 city, 24 highway average of 21 miles per gallon, and it does have a four-star front crash test rating. We'll take a quick look at the back seats. So remember the color match fenders, the gloss black wheels, all part of that Freedom Edition. You also get the Oscar Mike badge on the back here, which looks pretty cool. There's a better look at that terrain tread pattern on the tires. There's your receiver hitch, four-pin and seven-pin wiring, LED license plate lights.  You get the factory subwoofer back here. So these seats fold down and then up, and then you can remove these by just pulling this handle down. It'll release, and then you just kind of wheel it out, and you can set that off to the side for more storage area. If you don't have anybody sitting in the back, then that locks in the place like so. You also get a little storage right here and not much. Door hinge, roof and windshield bolt holders. You get the seven slots on the back door, and then this is the Oscar Mike badge that they were talking about on the window sticker. You can see the jeeps being dropped by the parachutes. That's pretty cool. It's the first time I've ever seen this badge, so always need to see something new. And then you have your hardtop piece here. You got three bolts on the side, two on the top, two quick disconnects. We actually did a video on a four-door, very similar to the two-door, on how to take your hardtop off. If you want to check that video out, that's in the upper right-hand part of the screen. Very, very popular video, so check that out for sure. And then this door swings nice and smoothly. Let's take a look at those seats real quick, heated power mirrors. And then at the end, I'll turn on all the LED lights and we'll walk around it. So you can see it comes with the cloth. This is cloth. On the outside is the leather. You get the titanium stitching on there. You also get Oscar Mike embossed into the backrest. These seats have the seat height adjuster right there. It has your lumbar. They fold up like so and you get to the back. There's a handle right here and it goes up that far, which is pretty easy to climb back there. Two seats back there. It does have latch child safety system and floor mats. Oh, that's nice. They've changed that.  Auto headlamps, tilt telescopic steering wheel locks, power locks and mirrors. Take a quick look at the instrument cluster as well as the 7-inch radio. You get the Wrangler animation there. 7-inch LCD display. You get the digital speedometer, compass display. You can change the corners to read pretty much whatever you want. It has the heated leather wrap steering wheel, cruise controls and the right Bluetooth and information center controls on the left and audio controls on the back of the steering wheel. It comes with the 7-inch Uconnect radio, AMFM and Sirius XM radio capabilities. It also has your heated seats and heated steering wheel button and your backup cam, which they've made HDs so they are crystal clear. Really nice system there. You have all your different apps on here. You can project your cell phone to the screen via Android Auto or Apple CarPlay. And this dash is kind of a mineral gray. It's got just a little bit of metal flake to it too. Good looking dash. That's special to the sport package. Push button start. Down here your manual and more tactile climate volume and tune controls. Heated seats, heated steering wheel, start stop capabilities, stability control, select speed control, power windows, auxiliary switches, part of that tow package. And then you get the USB, USB-C and Augs jack. Here's your full-time four-wheel drive system. Part-time and auto, eight-speed auto transmission. And this one does have the keyless entry with the remote start. So I'm going to turn on all the lights. Oh yeah, up here too. Sorry about that. So you get the quick disconnects for your front hard top pieces. And you also have your home link buttons for your garage door security systems and lighting systems. Like I said, I'm going to turn on all those LED lights and then we'll turn the lights off in the picture studio and I'll do a final walk around with all those lights on. I'll also show you under the hood real quick. You get the trail rated badge on there as well. So you can check out the emissions sticker, which is right there. There's the 3.6 liter, 285 horse, 160 foot-pounds of torque, 24 highway, 20 city average of 21. Alright, so you can see those lights. They are very bright. What I'm going to do is I'm going to pause the video, turn all the lights off in the picture studio, and then we'll do a final walk around with the lights off in the studio and the lights on the Wrangler. Alright, you can see just how nice and bright all those lights are. And personally, I would highly recommend any Wrangler with the LED lighting group.  They always have that little bit of purplish blue hue to them when you get the LED lights. Now the taillights, these are halogen. So you can see they're not quite as bright. You do get the LED license plate lights. And that's pretty much it. I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today. And hopefully from this HD video you've gotten a really good idea of the overall looks and styling and options of this 2023 Jeep Wrangler Sport Freedom Edition in black clear coat. And to see more pictures of this Jeep or one of our other 550 new and used cars, trucks, SUVs, minivans, Wranglers, Cherokees, you name it, we got to go to that website right there. Summitauto.com, full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle from two locations, all at Summitauto.com. And if you'd like to check out more HD videos, you can go to YouTube.com slash Summit Auto. 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dial match in 2018 was great. Who's gonna win this match? Nick Kiros is gonna win this match Nick Kiros gonna win this match Keep the faith Keep the faith How many five-setters have each of them played so far? Hashinov played one in the previous rounds Kiros has not played one this week Not yet. And it will until now Same strategy keep your energy and focus just doesn't seem helpful. What do you mean?  Thank you appreciate it Commentating is nail biting keep it up. All right. Good. I must be doing something right. Thanks Jay Good, I'll take that How would you quantify the impact of the doubles matches? They definitely impact Kiros? I mean, it's you know more time on court, but and like emotionally, you know, you know he's invested in those doubles matches, but I Don't know it's hard to blame the doubles for any sort of Problems he's had tonight. I don't think I don't think the doubles is to blame for any sort of injury. It's just could have happened Any point All right, 15 love Hashinov has the break in this final set 15 love Set up wider the slice of Keeg's Keeg's in the net 30 love Nice from Hashinov Great serving again 30 love 30 love as Hashinov serves And I saw no Kiros gets it good serve though for another Kiros is out. Oh, it's in Or was it out?  All right We're back on do's back to do's Lovely backhand threads the needle back to do's back to do's serve Out to the find of Kiros find ever Hashinov the back end of Kiros who hits it out Advantage Hashinov To take the 3-1 lead stay in front with that break Hashinov serves an ace bang 3-1 and Hashinov's fired up so he should be dodged a bullet 3-1 Hashinov keeps that break Now it's back to Nick Can he stay close? He serves At wide of the phone has not fought of Kiros down the line Hashinov slice to the front of Kiros again Is a winner It's a winner 15 love Kiros shaking his head like nothing happened 15 love no worries Michelle. You're welcome as we get a serve in the net from Keeg second serve second serve Into the back end of Hashinov for him Kiros is a winner 30 love 30 love. I think after this I'm gonna get a pizza I feel like a pizza. I'm hungry 30 love serve in the net second serve Feel like we all deserve one after this mad day of another 12-hour stream Serve now the back of Hashinov for him Kiros is out 30 15 30 15 no pineapple get stuffed. No pineapple get stuffed Pineapple why would I do that? That's that's terrible return from Hashinov into the fort of Kiros back into Hashinov Into the back into Kiros back in a Hashinov again into the net Why would I want to ruin my pizza with pineapple? That's just terrible what I want to drop it on the ground as well step on it a couple times Why would I do that? exactly Just throw my pineapple out the window go find it two days later and eat it. No come on now No pineapple 40 15 as we have a turn into the back into Kiros for never Hashinov is long Okay, Keeg stays in touch He stays in touch Still a break, but he stays in touch Keeg's Shouts all the pineapple pizza heads the three of you um All right, what we got ah Can't believe Hashinov finally convincing. Yeah, okay He drew in the stream. No, I don't do that What's my prediction who wins Kiros and Kiros wins.  His movement. He's not great around the court. He doesn't move super quick compared to Mehvedev for example Stuffed crossed pineapple.  Appreciate your love Appreciate your commitment. I Feel your pain Can I speak to the manager Karen? No, you cannot I am the manager Karen.  I don't know Stand up and support the man. That's it Why is Kiros struggling mental? No, he just got broken in the first game I mean Hashinov they played five sets before so this is no surprise This is exactly what we expected this score line is What we've seen these guys play before so this is no surprise This is no surprise We're it's almost like we're waiting for the fifth set for the entire match We'll just wait for this return after Kiros the back of the Hashinov can Keeg's break back Point of forehand is Kiros.  Kiros slices it Hashinov volley Kiros pass lob wide from Kirios 15 all 15 all just goes wide 15 all Good rally though Hashinov looked a little shaky 15 all This Hashinov serves again down the tee a fault or a let Hit the top of the tape Now the first serve coming up serve Out wide of the for the Kiros chipped to the forehand of Hashinov for never from Kiros down the line Hashinov runs right into find inside out Kiros on the stretch of the slice in the net 30 15 Hashinov just a little too good in the rallies right now He's a little too solid in the rallies 30 15 30 15 as Hashinov serves again Our wide Kiros gets it back for a Hashinov is good Hashinov with a good forehand again 40 15 Into the open court Not giving Kiros anything Which sucks for me 40 15 Serving the back of the Keegs back in L from Hashinov to the back of the Kirios slice Hashinov into the for the Kiros down the line Hashinov on the stretch volley Keegs winner 40 30 40 30 lovely volley Lovely volley Still got set a game point though Hashinov he serves Into the for the Kirios return to the front of Hashinov back in a Keegs into the back end of Hashinov down the line That's a great job from Korean Hashinov friggin ridiculous for two Hashinov Holds on He's two games away from the semis where he'll play against Kasparud Can Kirios fight back? He serves to the back end of Hashinov for never Kiros is out Love 15 Love 15 Love your work, but can you add some crowd noises in background? Unfortunately, I can't play any of the noise. Otherwise. We're getting trouble. That's a legal So copyrighted copyrighted sounds as well audio and visual. I wish I could it makes so much for fun as I goes wide I Wish I could though that would be so cool Serving volley Kiros is out love 30 Love 30 But thank you for the three Serve Out wide is an ace 15 30 Kirios survives Kirios survives on the second ace of the fifth set He serves again a Fault second serve second serve Down the tee the for the key Hashinov for never Kirios is out 15 40 and This is bad This is bad This is bad 15 40 And Kiros is not happy.  No, it's a fault Yeah, no, I'm sorry. I got excited I got excited All right That's all good. Thanks for calling all the matches. No worries. Thank you is cash enough hits that wide and We're back at doce Back to doce back to doce Can Kiros survive as he serves a fault second serve Kiros are talking to the crowd. I'm not in a nice way second serve Down the tee to the back end of Hashinov back in every Kirios To the back end of Hashinov again to the back end of Keeg's for whatever Hashinov into the font of Kirios to the font of Hashinov who shanks it wide Kirios gets to advantage Don't cry cam. I Won't I won't advantage Kirios To get on the board and stay close Serve is a fault second serve second serve He serves Out wide to the back end of Hashinov back in every Kirios into the back end of Hashinov again To the back end of Kirios down the line to the front of Hashinov one of them Kirios Down the line to the back end slice of Hashinov Kiros drop shot is good This is gonna be on tennis TV Kirios survives He's down a break, but he's not out of this yet. He leads for three Hashinov but Kirios sticks around Three hours and 27 minutes played Can Kirios break back that is the question that is the question That is a question All right, how are we doing chat we having fun We're losing our minds Let me know the chat with one word. How are you feeling right now? How are you feeling right now with one word? One word. I'm feeling delightful anxious lit optimistic nervous unpredictable hot Excited happy sad awesome worried Hopeless full what sad elated nervous anxious exhausted Some weird words in the chat entertained Pumped great sickened Conflicted sleepy All right delightful Peaceful entertain defeated boom Someone says they feel like a clown. All right. Well. Good luck. Hopefully that you know, maybe that gets sorted Let's get back to the match because we are almost at the end Serve is a fault second serve Hashinov can carry us break back Can carry us break back Serve to the back end of Kiggs. He shanks it wide on the return love 15 love Hashinov seven points away Seven points away Seven points away for the crazy Aussie fam, but for sure woolen gong. Thank you compliment king for the five At least you're not from Sydney serve Is a fault second serve second serve To the four-hand of have carry us for now Hashinov into the form of Kirios to the forehand of Hashinov When I'm from Kirios down the line Hashinov's backhand cross-court to the back of Kiggs back in a Hashinov down the line Kiros on the stretch with a slice. Oh It goes over Hashinov drop shot too good unbelievable unbelievable Hashinov too good 30 love Hashinov is six points away. I almost said a rude word six points away six points away 30 love First there's a fault second serve second serve Into the form of Kirios good return of the form of Hashinov point of Kirios is good Hashinov with a lab It's up. It's up It's out 30 15 30 15 Hashinov trying to stay In the lead with this break hanging on for dear life 30 15 As Hashinov serves again To the tip. Oh, it goes long second serve second serve Into the back of the Kirios back in a Hashinov to the back in a Kirios into the back end of Hashinov Kiros is back in down the middle Hashinov with a forehand cross-court of the form of Kiggs back in out from Hashinov Into the form of Kirios again to the back end of Hashinov another back end from Kirios again To the slice of Hashinov Kiros is flying again to the back of Hashinov to the back end of Kirios Into the flying of Hashinov. Oh, it just goes in from Kirios back in from Hashinov again to the back end of Kiggs Down the line Hashinov is a winner.  Korean Hashinov is clutch 40 15 ridiculous five points away five points away and Hashinov takes a deep breath as he serves a fault second serve second serve Serve out wide the form of Kirios for now from Hashinov into the form of Kirios into the form of Hashinov Kiros comes in But it goes out from Hashinov 40 30 40 30 40 30 Can Hashinov survive? 40 30 he serves Hashinov a fault second serve second serve Into the back of Kiggs and a net from Kirios and Hashinov gets a 5-3 just chipping away one game to go for the Russian to play Kasparud in the semi-finals in a couple of days alright What can Kiggs do? 5-3 Hashinov Kirios serves Down the tee the back of Hashinov for the Kirios into the form of Hashinov to the forehand of Kirios Backing up from Hashinov to the back end of Kirios into the back end of Hashinov for one of them Kiggs down the line Hashinov on the stretch gets it for never Kirios again is a winner 15 love 15 love Kirios down the tee Hashinov returns for now Kirios is good Hashinov hits it out 30 love 30 love surviving is Nick Kirios 30 love and an ace bang Min's got it bang 40 love To make Hashinov serve it out he serves And a oh a good serve unreturnable Kirios Does his job? He does his job Have we got another twist in the tail I? Hope so oh, I hope so all right six five five four Hashinov he has One game to make it to the semis now I'm gonna ask you a question in the chat is Kirios going to break yes or no is Kirios going to break yes or no is Kirios going to break Yes, no a lot of no's a few yeses Some say set yes no lot of no's no faith in the man Lot of yeah a couple of yeses coming in no way. Okay, very okay.  No says Anna All right, absolutely. No Eddie mate Mater No, no no Tim's mom said yes to what? No doubts, I love that no no no min says yes he can All right, we're gonna find out we're gonna find out together We're gonna find out together because Korean Hashinov is serving To get to the semis by the way, thank you Nick and Fee for donating will play the donations after the match Thank you for Joe the donations though. I can see them Serve out wide at the corner Kiros in the net on the return 15 love Thank you Nick for the nice words appreciate that 15 love Again, don't forget to subscribe. We are watching the semifinals in a couple of days time Or everything else finals blah blah blah everything serve out. Why does a fault from Hashinov second serve? Also, we're almost at 109,000 subs, so thank you for that to serve into the back of the Kirios back in a Hashinov again To the back of the Kirios Hashinov forehand again to the back of the Kirios into the back end of Hashinov back in And from Kirios again to the Hashinov back end down the line to the fort of Keeg's for ever from Hashinov into the back And of Kirios in trouble now as Hashinov into back and down the line Kiros forehand again to the back of the Hashinov The back end of Kirios back in the back end as they go cross court Kiros just gets it Hashinov down the line Kiros in trouble slice To the fort of Hashinov hits it out Kiros gets the point 15 all That was close Hashinov was winning that point until he didn't that guy doesn't like Kiros. He's crying. He's like, oh man Hater 20-shot rally 20-shot rally Kiros gets it Hashinov serves to the form of Kiros that goes in to the form of Hashinov for never Kiros on the stretch sliced To the form of Hashinov again in the form of Kiros sliced But it goes long from Keeg's too good too good Hashinov too good 30-15 Hashinov's forehand is a weapon when it works 30-15 Hashinov two points away.  There's a helicopter over my house who called the cops.  I don't know what will 40-15 two match points Korean Hashinov to make it to the semis he serves and That's so good Korean Hashinov will play Kasparud in the semifinals and he takes out the king Nick Kiros in five sets They shake it out the net and Keeg's is like have a good one, mate. You go and do your thing Korean Hashinov wins and Nick Kiros. That's what we done for the season and Kiros breaks the racket.  What does that look like? All right, Kasparud might make it to number one in the world Okay, bad luck to Keeg's. He shouldn't have lost those two sets. Oh, man Don't cry. That's all right. Your mom's gonna come for me later. Anyway, it's okay It's okay. It's okay.  She'll look after me Thanks for the nice words Um, I'll cheer don't worry. Like I said your mom said she that I'll be fine. I know later It's okay Anyways great win from Hashinov Let's give a credit to him because he was under so much pressure for that entire match and he somehow got the win We knew it was gonna be five sets. We saw the scores before we knew we knew But look Kiros got broken early and that was it Hashinov is held held. It's too good too good now Hashinov versus rude. What does that look like? We'll talk about it soon By the way, if you are leaving don't forget to subscribe like on the way out We'll be back for the quarter-final day tomorrow as well big day of quarter-finals tomorrow If you can I mean keep going I mean Can you good luck? Good luck. Don't forget to sub on the way out. We're back tomorrow for more Um the show's over. No, there's still plenty matches to go. What are you talking about? It's all right.  Not a great day for the Aussies, but hey, it's still been a great season Nick plus fifth set equals winner. Okay feet ponder. Unfortunately not You're a grafter mate big respect Thank You Nick appreciate the 12. All right. Um, so they've actually played once before Hashinov and rude they played like When was it? Let me check. I know we just looked this up before but we'll do it again They played in Rome in 2020 and rude got the win. No surprise. So I mean hard quarts, I Don't know. I feel like rude. I feel like rude played so well against Baratini With a good game style. He plays like that against Hashinov. He should win Kasper route should win Kasper route should get to the final He would be the favorite I expect but He should win but who knows how should I might make the final that would be random that would be really random now um Tomorrow on the card. We've got starting tomorrow first thing tomorrow We've got push for taking on Sabalenka followed by rouble of tiafo. That's the next one And then we've got Shrontek vs. Pugula at night and this time tomorrow Ciner al-Karaz They put the night matches on that's gonna be into like midnight again. So Just Set your alarms or keep awake. I don't know whatever Do something stay awake. Don't go to sleep. If you are leaving though.  Well, so hashtag of hashtag of rubelab That could be a final to our foe versus hashtag of versus TFO versus rubelab tomorrow You're right still amazing season for Kira's. Yeah, what a season. What a season. It's been women final US quarterfinal Indian Wells epics.  Yeah, we still got rubelab and Hashtag of the Russians that are left Russia's got a very good tennis tennis team Both men and women Ciner al-Karaz, yeah excited for that match. They'll be epic tomorrow. Woof can't wait Why they're playing so late, I mean look if you've got two matches, it's but that Add up to five hours. It's gonna be midnight if they started seven. So it's just because They start the match and it's seven and then they go for so long. So You know, that's just it just the time It's what I am in New York. Yeah, I know do you think rude deserves number one spot?  I'm gonna defend rude. He but it gets number one He made a French open in US open final even if he doesn't win it like get stuffed If you're not happy with rude get angry at Wimbledon Wimbledon's fault the rude's Wimbledon's fault that rap is not number one It's Wimbledon's fault. So Don't project your anger at rude For winning it to forget making you know winning the points that matter or playing the tournament that matter. It's not his fault blame Wimbledon They robbed raffa. All right, they robbed raffa if rude gets number one lunch time here in Indonesia nice Yeah, Jane.  Yeah, Karen Talk to your manager. All right. Let's talk to Wimbledon. I Hope Curious can be fit and I'm afraid that he's losing form after losing lost He's not gonna play for the rest of the year Keeg's You won't see Curious until You won't see Kira's until the Australian Open probably he won't play for this year I mean, there's nothing else to play. He won't play Paris. He never does and He won't play might I mean might make an appearance in the Asian swing, but it's not really probably not He said he wants to go home And that is that Was Kira's injured he did have a knee problem, but he played through it. So So at what extent of the like did it get better? Was it just like I don't know. Well, he'll probably tell us after he might have ripped his knee apart and just kept playing like Rafferty with his injuries Do you think Raffer plays the HB championship? Yeah, Raffer will play the HB finals. Yeah, I Think you rule. Yeah root is one of the nicest guys on tour. Yeah Green played a great match. She deserved to win Keeg should have been more positive in the first two sets Yeah, when he was down five six and he served and he lost those two First and third That was where he lost the match curiosity not in the final set He lost it in those two sets when he was serving for the tie break When he you know and he won the tie break when he when they got there. So If he got to the tie break in those first sets, he probably would have won the match, but just didn't get there at what point Can we stop making rude jokes?  It's like yeah, okay. I mean it's the same whatever. That's just cool. Cool, man So original very original joke Yeah, so if rude so this is that this is the deal if rude makes the final and Alcares loses tomorrow Or loses in the semis then rude would number one no matter what if it's rude Alcares in the final then the winner is the number one if Rude and Alcares don't make the final Raph is number one That is that that is that Battle for number one would be epic. Yeah, I'd love to see rude versus Alcares So actually make it like winner is number one. That would be that would be the best case scenario Why is why is always a Karen ruin everything I did Yeah, true.  I don't think rude's gonna beat Hashinov as easy as he beat Baratini today. I hope he's seen a wins it all. Okay Winner should be number one. Yeah If rude wins the US Open and becomes number one He should be number one. Do you think Djokovic will play these round open? Yes. I'm optimistic. Yes Question Love or enthusiasm cam confetti you make us feel like we are in our living room You're confident but not pompous cheers to tennis and earth channel beer mugs collision high voltage star Thank you Karen and yes collision high voltage star to you two Appreciate it. Thank you Hopefully that's what I try to do. I hope I get you guys fired up So it feels like you're sitting next to me Appreciate the love. Thanks for the 12 bucks. That'll go straight to my dog who is expensive to maintain Djokovic will play the Australian Open get arrested probably not Probably not when it's sign off in about five minutes. So Yeah See you later, Elizabeth. We'll see you next time Love Karen throwing shade at the crowd never devised what he say What did he say? I didn't hear the the press conference or the interview? No, he's compliment King. No, it's Kate. Appreciate it Yeah, I missed my dog as well. I'll see her next week See you later session Castro is a friendly tennis player there you go. See you later Dutchie go to work by guys. No worries. See you later Anna All right, we're gonna sign off as well But thank you so much everybody hanging around it was a mad match. We knew it was gonna happen We knew this was gonna be five sets five seven Sorry, seven five four six seven five six seven six four hash off his end of the semis He plays Casper rude who would have thought what a crazy matchup. He beats Nick Curio's at five sets Keeg's probably done for the season. We'll see him in Australia next year Hash enough under the semis


Putin ally says neighbouring country will not exist in five years. Kremlin propagandist Margarita Simonian has said Armenia's spat with Russia over a Moscow-led security block could see the South Caucasus country no longer exist within a half a decade, according to Newsweek. The editor-in-chief of the Kremlin mouthpiece RT is an ally of Vladimir Putin and a regular guest on state television where she pushes the Russian leader's rhetoric about his full-scale invasion of Ukraine. During the World Youth Festival in Sirius, in Russia's Krasnodar region, Simonian criticised Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan. He has suspended Yerevan's participation in the Collective Security Treaty Organisation, which is considered Russia's equivalent to NATO. Last month, Pashinyan said that the CSTO had failed Armenia, freezing its participation in the block because Russia could no longer be relied upon as a reliable defence partner. However, there are no formal moves from Yerevan to withdraw from the alliance. Armenia's youth must understand that Pashinyan is a traitor to the Armenian people and is leading Armenia to complete destruction if he remains in power, said Simonian, to applause from the audience. Simonian, who is of Armenian descent and has described herself as both Russian and Armenian, said that if voters continue to support Pashinyan, there will be no Armenia in five years. Simonian said, Armenia will not exist at all. You will see. If the military campaign in Ukraine is successful, Russian President Vladimir Putin will choose Georgia as his next target, former US Secretary of Defense and former CIA director Leon Panetta spoke about it in an interview with The Voice of America. Therefore, it is absolutely important that the United States try to work with Georgia to ensure its security, he said. I think it is clear that if we do not stop Putin in Ukraine, he will continue his aggression not only against Georgia, but also against other NATO member countries that border Russia. So, it is absolutely important that the United States tries to work with Georgia to ensure its security. Georgia is an important country for many reasons. But the most important thing about Georgia is the ability of the Georgian people to enjoy the benefits of freedom, Panetta said. Leon Panetta added that, in addition to Georgia, Putin could start an aggression against NATO countries bordering Russia. He stressed that Putin's main goal is to undermine democracy in the United States, as well as to undermine democracy in other countries, sure, to protect our national security. We have to make sure that Putin fails to accomplish his purposes, Panetta said.


So let's try to catch up who started late. So Amir is here. Thank you for coming.  How here do you want to summarize? Shoot. Just in summary, that among they will have this discussion that we previously had an idea to overlay our BPL file system on top of other pseudo file systems, such as a group of SIGUFS file system. This could be used for using BPF to extend the interfaces of SIGUFS. You can imagine that the overlay FS is a combination of the underlying SIGUFS file system. And the top layer is the BPF file system. So you can pin in BPF objects in the top layer. And the underlying layer is the SIGUFS. So which is a built-in association with the BPF objects and a particular SIGUFS. This is a way for extension of the pseudo file system interfaces. Similar to that, we could also do not only for SIGUFS file system, but also the PROC file system if we can do that. So we can associate a pinned BPF object to maybe a task for a task in the system. So basically, I was thinking, if possible, we can do this. I tried this, have some RPC patches, basically allowing BPF file system as a top layer for the overlay file system. But the problem I have is that in my use case, the underlying file system is a SIGUFS file system. It's a mutable. So in a use case, the users of this infrastructure may change the underlying created directories in the underlying layers. So this is not an intended use case from the document I read. Not an intended use case of the overlay file system, because it assumes that the underlying file system is a mutable. It is read-only. And every update should come from the top layer. So I tried that. But I do notice that there are some problem sequence of operations that could create some undefined behavior or create problems if I tried it. It's going to weird places when you try that. But we need to ask you more about the specific requirements of the use case. Overlay FS can merge in upper directory and lower directory, file that exists in both. Is that your use case? Or you're just trying to attach subtrees into, you understand my question? Are you trying to overlay specific files or populate a directory with files from lower and upper? Can you give a bit more specifics of the requirement? So pretty much with how I said that, to be able to extend PROC FS, C Group FS, with other files that are not there today in C Group FS. Like in VPF FS, we can pin an iterator program so it will look like a file. But it's powered by VPF on the other side. So you can cut it and it looks like file. It looks like file. There is a checked out with it when people cut it. So the file is specific directory to add new files. Multiple directories, multiple files, but they will not overlap. They won't replace the file that already in C Group FS. It will be a new file. OK, but inside a specific directory, there will be normal files and virtual files? Yeah, so in the same directory, you will do a less. And in the same less, some of the powered by C Group FS and underlying mechanism, and some of them were like added by VPF FS. So we want to create the directory in the VPF FS, but then create an overlay so that to the user, it appears like a single unified layer. OK, and what are the semantics that? I understand that you require the merge functionality of the FS. Yeah, it can be a new file system, but I don't care. The reason, I think, well, you know that there was a previous implementation of AUFS. And AUFS does support mutable lower layers. The conception is that AUFS is not fixable. Not fixable in a way that it could crash. It could oops. And there is no way around it. So overlay FS avoids several of those races by not allowing mutable lower. But the other functionality of overlay FS is copy app. And I don't know if you guys need that. What is copy app? Copy app is you start with a lower layer like an entire image of OS. And then you modify specific files, specific directories. And those are copied up to the upper layer, which starts empty in a container. So that's a major concept of overlay FS. And I don't think you need this. Fast, yeah, we don't need any of it. We just need two different file systems to merge. Maybe we need a new file system, merge FS. My intuition, without having looked at it, is if you would just, for example, create a mount option that avoids copy app completely. I mean, a file can only be in either of the upper or layer and never transitions from being lower to upper. Well, first of all, you can throw away 90% of overlay FS code. But if you still want to use overlay FS, I don't know that there's going to be many complications. Because this just the functionality of merging two directories is in one file. It's in the file readdir. And it's just merging two lists. I don't think there should be any issues there.  So it's readdir for merging the readdir. And there's lookup. And lookup is complicated if the state of the entry can change from lower to upper. But if it cannot change, then you either find the object in the lower file system or find the object in the upper file system. And then you construct the entry, which is either lower or upper. Yeah, this should be mutually exclusive. The files that are in group FS, BPFFS, will not touch. My intuition, without looking at it, is if you disable the copy app, all the copy app. Is the option already like this? Or we would need to hack it a little bit, right? No, there is no use. Yeah, so we need to introduce like a mount option or something. Yeah, I don't know if it will be accepted, but I'm just saying that from architectural point of view, overall FS has two distinct functionalities. One is merging of the upper and lower. And the other, which is a little bit more complicated, is this transition from lower to upper. And then all of the things that you want to white out, like make something that an object in the lower disappear from the merge by placing a white out in the upper. Yeah, we don't need any of this. And I mean, 90% at least of the code is irrelevant. And there's a little bit of code there. So either you make a good case for all the FS maintainer to just do a mount option that allows you to use mutable layers and disables copyup. Or you factor out this code into a library and do a new file system. It's not a lot of code. Well, yeah, look, at the time, overlay FS is what is referred to as a stacked file system. It's a part of a family of stacked file system. In the kernel, there is eCrypt FS, which is a stacked file system. And just one in. OK, so there's just one, two entry stacked file systems. It's supported in the VFS in several places. Like there is the SB as a member of Stack Depth, which introduces the concept of a stacked file system. And there's a maximum of two stacking. So you can do overlay FS over eCrypt FS or something like that. And at the time, I wrote another stacked file system. OK, I wrote it and it was used internally in my employer. And I was considering doing some sort of obstruction of doing a library lib stack FS, which overlay FS and eCrypt FS could use because, oh, and shift FS. How can you forget? There was an attempt to upload shift FS. And it didn't happen. But one of the things that I said in the review is, OK, there's a lot of code duplication here. And I've been working in fixing bugs that you guys now have for a long time. So it makes sense to share. So just either Miklos accepts the patch to allow this configuration of mutable layers with no copy up. I don't know if there's any complication. I did look at it. Or we do something like that. We say, OK, we have a concept that is inherited. Stacked FS and overlay FS is inheriting from stacked FS. And we leave the implementation of merge. We take the implementation of merge for overlay FS and put it in somewhere common. That's the second option. But try the first option, right? Miklos, as I know him, he would be open to anything that is useful. That's his criteria for accepting patches. Something that is useful for users who doesn't break anything is not picky otherwise. Sounds like a plan. So at least if I got you, there's nothing. Once we disable this copy up, we introduce this restriction that files either in one file system or another. Then it sounds like everything should be all right. And then it's mainly the technical question whether it's a mount option for the overlay FS. So it's a new file system where common pieces are factored out into library. Yes, and I will give 50% chance that I'm forgetting something crucial that won't work. But let's. I have another.  Like how would it be possible? I mean, like for the BPFS, it would have to merge. Or it would have to attract the directory structure of, I don't know, procFS or C-group, right? Right. So it would have to recognize their way to not having to do it. So you don't have those races when. I didn't get it. So like for C-group, you have a specific directory structure, right? And if you want to merge those, then BPF would also have the same structure. So you can put the file from BPFS into it overlay it, right? The intention is not to attach a BPF program to a directory, but to the file system as a whole. That's the intention. I get your point, Daniel. So basically, what is being asked here is that in BPFS, you sort of have to mirror the directory structure of C-group FS to overlay it on top, right? Is there a way that you can not do that and say, look, this directory should go there in the overlay without having to mirror it? This is the directory that I'm creating in BPFFS and not have to mirror all of the structure of C-group FS. You want to load the program? Yeah. That's been triggered on C-group creation, right? C-group movement creates a directory. Some files appear in that directory, right? This directory is appearing in BPFFS currently, but in a root, like BPFFS, there is some structure that begins forming from here onwards where these directories start appearing, but we don't want to mirror the C-group FS. So we don't want to do this FS, BPF, C-group, and then the whole thing from there on. Yeah, I understand the issue. I need to think about it. Yeah, that's another limitation factor that overlay FS right now, if you make a modification inside a DPSy3, it needs to now create the entire skeleton in order to just write this one file, and that's what's happening today. It's not that big a deal. I think this is more doable, but it's just from a user friendliness perspective. There's a concept. There's a concept that I added for NFS export in overlay FS, a concept of index. So if you enable the index feature in overlay FS, which is a prerequisite for NFS export, then what you get is that for every directory that has been copied up, meaning that it's part of the skeleton, there's an index file, index by the NFS file handle of the lower. So basically what it gives you, and it was initially created to fix a problem of overlay FS of how to deal with hard links, how to know to associate hard links on different paths when the upper layer is some sort of skeleton. So the index can be used to, like I say, you're doing a lookup of a directory, and you don't have the skeleton. But if the BPF program populates the index with something that tells the lookup, oh, I'm now looking up in this directory so you can somehow use that. I mean, it's not a complete answer, but in OVL lookup, besides doing a lookup by name in the upper and then in the lower, it also consults the index. So it's something that you can play with. So I guess the BPF program will need some functionality to modify that index. Well, it's the index. Look, the upper file system, when you create an overlay, you need to provide a lower upper and a work deal. And the index is in the work deal. And the work deal has to be in the same file system as the upper. So one of the issues, I don't know if you have tackled this, but one of the issues is the upper file system needs to have some methods that not all file systems have. It used to be that it's very restricted to very few file systems, like it needs to have, in order to operate optimally, it needs to have support for rename whiteout operation, extended attributes, all sorts of things. But you don't need that if you don't need to support rename. But yeah, so I'm just saying that you will see when you try to use an upper Fs, maybe there are some restrictions that you will need to relax. But one of the restrictions is that the work deal has to reside on the same file system as the upper deal. So work deal is where the index deal is created. You could create the indexes on the fly. Same mount. It's not a real restriction, but it's in the code, but it's not there. But we could create the index here then on the BPFFS if it's the same mount. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think. I mean, that's what the code does. It just goes to a backing file system and writes the index there and looks up the index there. So I guess you could. I guess if I understand quickly, the index in the working directory, right? I think I already have an RFC package. Very simple to extend the current BPFFS to be making this working directory working, so making the BPFFS as an upper layer. I can send out this patch maybe today or tomorrow. Everybody's the same. Look, it's not what I'm proposing is not. It's going to be frowned upon, right? Because index is something that is interlamb to overlay Fs, and overlay Fs, writes it and consults it. But I'm just saying that there's a concept that maybe you can make it work and make it not a hack. Because I also consider the fact that overlay Fs needs to have the entire skeleton in order to represent a change deep inside the tree as a limiting factor. So just for example, for containers, if I want to create an image, the change is one file. It could be useful if there was a standard way to say, I'm creating an image. That's the file ID of the directory, and that's the file I'm changing, and you don't need to create the entire skeleton. Just use a similar concept. You may be able to work around this problem. I don't say, I'm not saying it's going to be easy. And also, I don't know which file ID you can use for in C group Fs. And the whole thing needs to be persistent at all. No, so I know number is fine. So basically, overlay Fs uses NFS file henders, which means it uses the standard operation and code FH. You know that? You guys know that? No. So there's a standard operation in VFS. It's called encode Fs. Because NFS has a protocol, when you open a file, you get back a file handle, which is binary blob. And you can use that to write to the file, even if the server has rebooted since. So the VFS has this concept, and the file system needs to support export Fs in order to be exported to NFS, to implement the operations of encode FH and code file handle and decode FH. However, so overlay Fs sort of latches on on this capability to implement the index. However, the complicated part of implemented export Fs, which is complicated, is the decode part. The encode part is trivial, and it actually has a general implementation. It just takes the inode and the generation number, which are there, and that's the blob. So essentially, every file system, I think, you can call even the system called name to handle, name to handle at, and you will get this blob. I'm not sure it works on C group Fs. But I don't see why not. There's just the system call will not work, but the underlying function encode Fs and code FH does work. So you can still use generic code as overlay Fs uses it. For all, like for all kinds of, for example, imagine, like, in the ProCFS structure, we want to add custom statistics. ProC is going to be very problematic because it basically creates and deletes dentries on demand. And you will need to pin the dentries of the lower. I'm not sure. What is the problem? What is the challenge with ProCFS? I was wondering about it. If you create a new, if you look something up in ProCFS, the inode and the dentry doesn't persist. It basically creates and deletes files on demand. So otherwise, you would have a problem because you would keep millions of dentries and inodes around and ProC would be megabytes, gigabytes large. So there are two things regarding that. So a network file system as a lower, like NFS, dentries can also go away on the server. So for that, there's the operation revalidate, the entry revalidate that the VFS does. I mean, when you look up some file, if it's in the cache, if the file system may invalidate the dentry, then the VFS calls the revalidate to see if it can still use it. So it's not a full solution to the problem, but OverlayFS does call the underlying file system revalidate to check if the dentry is still valid. That's one thing. The other thing is readdircache. OverlayFS does have readdircache. So if things change underneath, the change may not appear in readdir, unless you invalidate the readdircache, which OverlayFS doesn't do because it doesn't expect lower directories to change. Yeah, I think that's exactly what I saw when I was doing experiments. So basically, I create a, when it directly created in the lower, and then you pin object from the upper, and works fine. But then if you delete it from the lower, and then the upper layer, from the upper layer, you still see that the directory exists, but you can't access it. It says that it's invalid. I think that probably have some caching that's invalidate the entry. That's probably what you are saying here. I think that's in the 50% that I said. The issues I didn't look at, didn't think about, but... Can we disable this cache? This is a simple use case, not big files. Can we disable the cache? You can, if you don't care about caching readdir, I suppose. Sure, that's the solution here. Apart from that, I have patches that I am going to try to upstream, not sure about the prospect of accepting them. Patches to use the FS notify to detect changes in the layers and inform overlay fs on those changes, right? AUFS supports that. That's how AUFS deals with changing overall. So I have patches. I'm not sure how far this will go, but again, for this issue, for the readdir issue, it's not relevant. We'll support you on those patches. For the revalidate issue, I also had patches for that. I need to find them. Because overlay fs already does revalidate, but it's not working so well if you're changing local file system. So I need to look at that. So I think the next steps is for us to hack around a little bit around. Yeah, try something. Try the concept of disabling all the copy up and readdir cache and start with something. It will have problems. Post it, and I will help you if you need. Point you at patches if I have. Awesome. Thank you. That's great. Are you going to be at Plumbers? I think I'll attend virtually. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you so much. Thank you.


Income tax 2023-2024. Are you self-employed? Get ready and some coffee so that you don't find income tax preparation to taxing. Most of this information can be found in publication 3-3-4. Tax guide for small business for individuals who use Schedule C tax year 2023, which you can find on the IRS website at irs.gov irs.gov. Looking at the individual income tax formula, basically mirroring the calculation on the form 1040, the first half of which is kind of like a funny income statement. Most income statements having income minus expenses resulting in net income. This income statement having income minus deductions resulting in taxable income. When we're thinking about a schedule C, we're focused on line 1.


happiness and hard times. My name is Ken Birtness and I'm coming to you from the North Shore out at Holly Eva. Today we have a very special program about making life changes while things get difficult or things get interesting. How we make those changes in those transitions and to do that and to help me are my good friends Gary and Cindy Quinn and they're both former residents, but now they're coming to us from Oregon. Welcome to the show guys. Thank you Ken it's nice to be here. Yeah I'd like to say it's nice by the shower and put on this here a lower shirt. I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having us on Ken. You know I loved having my low-high shirt on when I went to the mainland because everybody would look at me and they'd be really impressed and they'd say oh you're from Hawaii? Gee you know tell me about Hawaii and so I just stopped wearing suits and ties and all that stuff no matter how formal the situation was. Basically you know like at a conference or something but I always got great reviews from a low-high shirt so I really enjoy that. Yeah you can't go wrong with a low-high shirt. That's true. You know I think a good place to start on this about making choices life choices and doing it joyfully. Is that first big? Well it's not actually the first choice but it's certainly one of the biggest that you'll make in a lifetime and that is making a choice and a movement from being single to being a duo to being married or partner into having that special person in your life. So maybe we could start the show with you guys talking a little bit about that how you got together and how you decided that you know what we're a couple we're a two-some. Okay I guess I'll start it off because Cindy said I should start it off which is good enough for me. I have been flying for we were both flight attendants and he was hired in 1970 with Pan Am. I was hired in 1978 and somewhere around early 1980 I had transferred to Hawaii for Los Angeles. So I walk into the Pan Am office after a long trip coming from Japan I believe and she was in the office talking to a supervisor she was in her Armani uniform and back to me and I thought see that uniform looks particularly attractive and I made the mistake of walking up next to her because I wanted to see what the rest of the uniform looked like and I looked over at her and she was just just took my breath away. So being a typical male that has his breathtaking opaque I looked at her and immediately said oh I couldn't speak. So having grown up in the Philippines for part of my youth I speak one of the dialects there and I assumed she was Filipino so I asked her in Filipino I said Filipino about and she looked at me and she gave me that look that women can give to a man kind of the head to toe look checking you out to see what kind of nutcase you are and she answered and said I look it but I don't speak at big boy and that was it I was I thought she's beautiful and she's turkey so it was a done deal for me but Cindy was coming off a relationship so she wasn't really interested in romance at the time I was so she just said can we be friends for quite a number of months and I said you know what if I have any hope of opening this door I'll just relent to being her friend and if that door should open up great if not at least all made a friend and after many months she finally wore down and after drugging her intensely and asking her to marry me she said yes she doesn't remember any of that of course of course because I was drugged out that's right so we we got married about a year after that and like many married couples we had our our challenges you know where do you put the spoon there's a salt pepper ball on the table where does it get put away you know the little things you bicker and fight and come to some type of agreement on but in any event not long after we were married to jump to that we got laid off we had just bought a home up in Hollywood not far from where you live and we got laid off and that was really our first big challenge we were just in our first year to a marriage so still in the honeymoon stage and um losing your job and having a mortgage was could have been really heavy but we decided to do a number of things one canceled all subscriptions all magazines didn't buy anything if we didn't need it didn't get in the car if we didn't need to go somewhere walk the food land get the exercise stop drinking all together no booze no fun went to a lot of baseball games with other laid off crew members and made the best of it and before too long we had our jobs back and life went on so i think like lucy told charlie brown one time if you worry and worry worry you've just wasted a good worry when things turn out right and they did i think having that challenge too uh so uh right after we got married was a real good indicator can i think when couples go through crisis right away not that they intend to but when they did come we learned a lot about each other and i remember when we lost our jobs for those three months gary said to me so do you do anything other than pour coffee on an airplane and i said i've got some skills i've got skills yeah you can pour tea as well but um the greatest uh thing i learned in those few years that we were married was you gotta have humor in a relationship and humor we have had for 42 years and i still think he's pretty weird but in a good way his mom always tells me you really married a weird person i said you raised him i have to re-raise him but we've had a lot of fun in our 42 years and i think flying together and working together living together that could have caused some issues but um because we were on the major big airplane we always worked at opposite ends of the cabin and but when we got to foreign countries we really got to play and that was that really solidified our relationship and we're so very grateful that we were able to work and live together yeah but we actually got paid to fly around the world and have fun together we worked hard to get to where we would have fun but uh it gave us a chance to have layovers in different countries with each other uh learn different things try different foods make different people it was it was a great career especially flying together with my beautiful spouse we had a good time on and off the plane that's terrific you know one of the things that we talked about before the show was that one of the challenges that we all face especially when we get older is the loss of loved ones and uh but that happens all the time in our life you know we lose contact with people we get into disagreements with our friends and for some reason we it seemed to be cut off from them and uh so a lot of friends are with us but a lot of friends we lose and losing a friend losing a loved one losing a relative is is really hard and i know you guys have gone through that yourselves and uh and i know some of the people that are watching that are going through that or have gone through that and uh could you tell us a little bit about how to how to do that very difficult change and do it with joy um when we lost when we lost our parents all four of them in 14 months it was very difficult because they were our best friends we um played with them very hard um and losing them all together in a year and a half really really you know took us back but what we did and i learned this in your class that when you go through a major loss take some time out for yourself to heal and so we did we took actually a whole year off uh we visited several different states we are blessed to have 52 nieces and nephews and we went around the united states and um offered our help in serving them and in the meantime didn't realize that taking that time off for us was a very healing healing season for us and yes it's painful to this day they've been gone for 11 12 years now but at the same time we recognize that's the cycle of life you know and we were so grateful that we took that time off for us to heal because when we came off of that healing journey we were ready for the next adventure and uh and to add to that we were just so blessed to be close to our parents um you know in life you meet people that for one reason or another don't get along with their parents um seriously don't like their parents or the parents don't like them for for whatever reason then i suppose philosophically speaking just because you're born into someone's house doesn't mean you should get along brothers sisters parents and whatnot but we were blessed that we did so we also tempered the loss by remembering how close we were to them how fortunate we were to have their influence in our lives and have them love us for so many years and then the you know the old saying about payback is a female dog i think would be the correct word um payback was not um to be able to care for our folks in their final months was was an absolute blessing in our lives uh to learn about giving back about some patience my my mom had pretty advanced Alzheimer's but we learned some of the tricks of dealing with that um much like dealing she did with us when we were kids if we were being naughty she would divert our attention to something else so when she was naughty or whatnot we would divert her and uh it was the best of times and only on one or two occasions the worst of times and those went away quickly so we we were blessed a thousand fold by that 14 month span and can i just interject one thought ken for those of you who are going through loss um we learned in that healing journey that when we were really missing them or hurting that day we would say to each other jump the fence and what we meant by that was jump the fence from morning to being so grateful that we had them for so long all the lessons they taught us and once we started sitting on that side of the fence of being grateful and thankful for the years that we had we could just feel our sadness lifting and that that helped us a lot because we did go through those days and i'm so grateful that we went through them together and we could use those buzzwords like i'm feeling kind of sad did it we'll jump the fence and then we'd start talking about the good times yeah jump the fence i think that's a great phrase i'm going to steal it and use it okay great it's a great phrase and a great description one of the things that i would add to what Cindy and Gary are talking about is that relationships uh that come from uh being relatives for instance like parents and children that we tend to think that that just happens and it's uh you know it just happens it comes out of the blue and you have perfect parents and perfect kids and that's just not the case and one of the things that i've always been impressed about with Cindy and Gary is that they do not take anything for granted they continually help they continually work at a relationship and the most successful parent-children relationship is where the parents have to work to understand what the kids are going through and how to really be with them and help them in through these hurdles that they're going through and the same thing goes for the kids they have to understand where their parents are coming from so each of them have to put themselves in the other person's shoes to a degree and if you learn that lesson when you're young and you can do that and this of course goes with friends and siblings and all the other people that are important to us but especially with parents and kids it makes life so much different and so much easier when we put when we work at it when we put our heart into it and we think about the other person in there whether they're a parent or a friend or a sibling or whatever so and my hat's off to both Cindy and Gary because that's what they do I know that because I was in the great position of really getting to know both these people differently you know a lot of couples that I've met I know them as a couple I meet them as a couple but with Gary Gary was my computer guru and he and I did lots of projects and he taught me lots of things about the computer about filming about videography which he's an expert in and we did some film compilations one of which is very appropriate to this show it was the joy of humor and laughter and Gary and I put that together and that was a great experience and what Cindy was one of the best students I've ever had uh not was she a good student but she came in and she brought joy to the class and she was the only student that not only brought joy and made everybody smile but she also brought us brownies every once in a while really made the class really I think that's called brown nosing but it doesn't it does the mouth and the taste buds and everything but even yeah even her brownies smell good but boy they were great to eat so so I had a great fortune of meeting in both of these in different ways and then spending time with them together and it's been a joy but these are people that don't take for granted the joys of life they work at bringing other people joy and they work at looking for joy in their life so can I just add one point to that like you were saying you know we all have choices I think that when you recognize that people are doing the very best they can in the moment that helps me a lot because sometimes we can get discouraged with people's behavior or whatever but when I remind myself they're doing the best that they know how for this moment then it seems so much less judgmental and so so much for accepting of the person because all of us are doing the best we absolutely know how we'll learn better for tomorrow but today I'm giving you my best and I think that that comforts me to know and takes the judgment out of anyone's behavior I think that's incredibly important uh and I like to reference to tomorrow because we're all we're all learning how to do it better and a lot of people's regrets are saying I could have done better well at the time you did the best you could and that's right and then you're learning from that as well so it's certainly been true in my life and most of the people that I know so thank you for that here are you yeah I was just gonna add Ken thank you um a lesson I learned early on was in high school I was chosen to be an American Field Service Scholar and I'd had four years of German so where are they gonna send me obviously Switzerland, Austria or Germany when I got the call this one night the lady says we're sending into the Philippines so I'm looking on the map by Cuba I didn't I didn't really know where I was and when I remember looking at the globes I couldn't I don't think they speak German way down here and I was disappointed um but I didn't want to show that of course because it was still quite an honor to be chosen to represent my school my country if you will my family and go live with another family for an entire year and um so it was rather interesting once I got there from almost day one there was a deja vu where I felt like I belonged I just fell in love with the country the people the food just everything about it but about three months into being there I was a bit discontent with the foster family I was with due to no fault of theirs they're an incredibly wonderful family so I asked our sponsor I said could I maybe consider changing families and she said well I'll tell you what this is two months into it she said I want you to give it another three to four weeks because three months is a very important transition time and I think you might find a change and sure enough as if by magic um by month three I was looking back what was I complaining about these people are fantastic and I remain relatively close to all of them for 50 plus years now so that's advice I've passed on to especially younger people that are oh I don't like college or I'm not happy with my teacher is it just hang in there and there's something about a 90 day period if you will or giving yourself a second chance that uh that was a lesson I'd never uh forgotten I sometimes forget to apply it but I've always remembered the lesson that's a great lesson that that is thank you for sharing that that's that's terrific um let's talk about uh since we're talking about uh different parts of the world um let's talk about your move from Hawaii um you know it's very difficult I think for people uh who come from the mainland and come here to Hawaii and decide to live here in Hawaii it's a big transition uh from the mainland our other areas of the world uh and it you know it we certainly could use that 90 days to really appreciate uh whoever transitioning to like you're saying but the other part is being in Hawaii such a long time like you guys were and then moving to the mainland which a lot of people do as well so we got both those different changes uh happening and uh I know that was hard for you because uh we had such wonderful times here in Hawaii and you love Hawaii as much as I do which is incredible and uh you made that transition so maybe we could talk about how we do that to make because that's a difficult transition to to change leave a place that you love so much and and then find a place that you also love which I know you do with Oregon so tell us about that we do send you want to start or yeah the main reason we made that move Ken was like we mentioned the loss of our four parents and we realized in our 60s that we didn't have a whole lot of time left to really connect with our siblings and all our siblings lived on the mainland and so we waited out and like you said as much as we hated to leave paradise we realized that this was necessary and so we transitioned over here to the mainland and we took that year just kind of looking for places to land and when Gary had said to me I found a place in Oregon and I said what do you know about Oregon he goes it starts with a no and I said okay I said I heard it rains a lot and it's cold and it goes well you know we have to give someplace a chance so we did um we saw a home on a hill made a bit on it on our year transition got back to Hawaii and the realtor called and said well welcome to Oregon and we're like uh oh this is it huh so we came back to the islands and packed all our stuff up and friends like yourself why Oregon why Oregon why not you know we just needed to land somewhere that we knew we could be closer to our siblings so that was the catalyst of us moving yes it was difficult and the change of weather and environment was uh very different for us but in the first year we sat out on our lanai and we looked out over the water and said we feel so blessed that Oregon called us we feel like Oregon did call us and we're really happy here of course we love going back to the islands and seeing our friends and family there but Oregon is home now and we're in close proximity to all our siblings and that that's huge for us now as we enter our 70s yeah it makes me recall some advice from a friend who um the airlines were laying off in Hawaii so they were looking for people to move to the mainland to relocate and he chose to do that and after a couple of years he called us one day and said uh you guys I'm happy to tell you there's life after Hawaii and I remember taken okay there's life after Hawaii good luck dude and I I couldn't believe he said that but um for those who may be watching this this show who find that life in Hawaii about the only drawback really to the islands certainly not the people certainly not the culture of the food the environment but the cost of living is stressful for a number of families with numerous jobs we we know that we've been there as well and that part of being on the mainland is it's a financial relief but it's also pretty darn fun here too and Hawaii is just a plane ride away still so we were fortunate to live there most of our lives Cindy for 40 years me for 38 years I believe and um life here on the mainland is awful good and uh here I'll show you a quick view of what we're forcing ourselves to look at today I don't know if you all can see that but uh after living on the north shore we had to get back on the water so we've got a lovely little two bedroom home reasonably affordable a little boat and we love our time fishing playing on the river cold weather one drawback only because the body's used to Oregon but the nose isn't you'll get the running nose I think too uh Ken um if we can speak to people our age and changing and uh transitioning in life we you I think we have to be willing to take risks you know and it's that risk taking not knowing what's at the other end um is so exciting because as we found leaving the islands after 40 years we're so grateful that we took that risk and I remember moving here and I was standing in line and the lady saw my Hawaii license plate and she goes you moved here recently and I said yes she goes from the islands I said yes we did she goes at your age age and when she said at my age I was 64 then I said oh I didn't know there was an age limit for moving that's rather interesting too but all through life we have to be willing to take those risks because we don't know what's on the other end but sometimes most the time it can be a very exciting adventure yep and this certainly was one uh it was rather cute when we first moved you know you're you're missing things in a move you need a colander you need a certain spoon or something see go the dollar store in the hardware store and you buy this stuff so I'm in the dollar store one day and lady behind me she sees my uh Hawaii visa car she's oh you from Hawaii and I go yeah I'll leave a huge goes oh I know a juice you've been a Hawaiian food truck and kind of like my friend earlier I'm like okay I'll look for the Hawaiian food truck here in Florence, Oregon and uh three weeks later I see this yellow taste of Hawaii food truck and sure enough some of the best Hawaiian food local food on the planet is right here in our town by a couple from Maui so we get our taste of Hawaii uh lots of people who wear a loha shirts and every once while it gets up to 72 degrees so it feels just like Hawaii that's terrific you know I've seen pictures of Gary and Cindy's houses and they they're really in the best of places I mean it's southwestern Oregon and they live close enough that they've got they can see the ocean from where they live on their on their top floor and they're right next to the river and I love rivers and very envious of their time on the river and I hope to talk them into coming back and sharing a little bit what it's like to live by a river and sail on it and you know and ride it and it's it's just a wonderful thing and keep the salmon hungry for you the fishing here is better than Hawaii that's an orange here great you know one thing that you know that really impressed me when Cindy talked about risk uh that's so very important whatever age you're at is that there comes opportunities for change and oftentimes change is risky but if you don't make the change if you don't take the risk you're really in danger of sitting back for the rest of your life and saying you know I should have tried that I should have done that that's a big regret that people have and when you make that choice and take that risk you can always make another choice down the line so you haven't done anything that's set in concrete but you've taken the risk and you've gone out and that's a wonderful thing to help people grow and enjoy life so that's terrific thank you for that story well listen isn't stagnation risky as well very life is risky and take it full on and one of our favorites uh I'll interject this real quick a song that I think virtually everybody knows and we've just sort of used it as a little philosophy in our part is uh row row row your boat gently down the screen and as Cindy would say tell anybody well if you're going to row your boat you got to get in it you got to engage in life you got to take responsibility for rowing your boat and it's your life and no one else can maneuver it you've got to get in the boat pick up the oars take responsibility and get going and gently down the stream I think sometimes we forget to give ourselves permission to be gentle with our decisions sometimes we make decisions in the moment and oh I should have thought of something else but just to be gentle with us because life is hard there's there are ups and downs there's stormy days there's smooth sailing days but we want to sail through life gently and be gentle with ourselves and the last three two verses are merely merely merely merely are you living a life filled with joy do you have like you said can I don't want to live with regrets I want to leave earth with joy in my heart laughter peace and to choose that every day I get to choose joy and some days when you don't feel like it you can't say I don't feel like it but today I choose joy and finally life is but a dream and we look at each other sometimes when we're floating down the river in our little boat we're like we're living the dream this is the best life that we can have and we have joy and peace and it's a dream that's come true for us and we've taken risks and yes there's been ups and downs and losses like you said in many transitions but at the same time we together can remind each other let's choose joy in all of absolutely yeah terrific you know we're out of time and I couldn't think of a better way to end I think you summed it up perfectly Cindy and I hope people that have watched this show can be ready to take some risks and not be afraid of change because there's a lot of joy ahead of people in their life and taking that risk and finding something new and something exciting as part of that so thank you thank you both for all you're sharing and I'm really hoping to talk you guys into coming back and doing another show with us there's lots of other topics that these two are very good at and they're always wonderful to share with you guys it's always makes me smile and happy so thank you for thank you thank you right back at your yes we love you guys aloha aloha kaka yaka kako Hawaii you got it you got it thanks to all the words we say in my islands maraming salamat po okay well thanks to all the people that think take away Jay and Hailey and Michael and Carol and that thanks for being supportive of us in our program and thanks to all of you for for listening and I hope you tune in in two weeks we're gonna have another show in a series of finding joy and humor and laughter so I hope you're with us then aloha if you liked this show why don't you give us a like or subscribe to our channel thanks so much