If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this episode of my special episode Mind pump. We cranked up the estrogen today. Yeah, special guest Christina How are you doing Christina? Better looking in here at least. Excellent We're taking a page out of the rappers where you just have like features on your album And Christina rise right check out this track. So for the first half of the episode We do our normal bullshitting chit-chat conversation. We talk about which Christina appreciates finally. She loves that Yeah, we talked about organified green juice. Maybe the worst commercial we've done yet for Apparently changes vote with your dollars, please Adam says it changes how it tastes He loves it. We talk about you two's concert technology epic Adams blown away by how awesome their Concerts are we talk about fkj and masego. I have no idea what I'm talking about I mean, that's the that's the music that Adam introduced this to all right Then we talked about stub hub and disrupting technologies and then we go off and talk about the value quote unquote of higher Education Also, people will get angry probably of course. I did mention organifi We are sponsored by them if you go to organifi shop calm enter the code mine pump You'll get a discount on the best organic supplements you can find online Then we get to the questions the first question was if you can't separate cardio and weight training In other words, if you have to do them all in one workout, which one should you do first? There is a right answer The next question was is it a good investment to get a weight lifting belt? In other words, if I'm working out with weights should I get a weight belt or should I work out? Without anything at all like Justin. He works out naked. Yeah, that's the way to do it The next question was this individual feels hungry all the time even after they feel a full eat a full meal They're still hungry.  How can they fix that so they don't constantly overeat and Finally, this is the most important question of the episode How do you tell your girlfriend? She's fat without being an asshole We give great advice very delicate in this part of the episode at all also this month You can get two things for free to not one but two that's twice as much as one now that you know the math We have finally the intuitive nutrition guide and the fasting guide both nutrition components available for free if you enroll in any Maps bundle now bundles are where we combine multiple maps programs together and discount them like 20 or 30 percent off for example our maps super bundle gives you a year one full year. That's 12 months 365 days of exercise programming expert exercise programming But we have other bundles where we combine two programs together or three programs together for specific goals For example, we have a build your butt bundle. We have a sexy athlete bundle And then of course the maps super bundle and enroll in any of those bundles you get those two nutrition components for free And we also have individual maps programs. You can find all of them at mine pump media calm Dude, did I tell you guys I got a I got some I got a DM from someone who listened to the episode where I talked about how the organified green juice potentially could increase your Seminal volume. I tell you guys about this. Was it a rapper. Was it just random person? No, it was a girl. Oh Who actually it was a group DM so a girl and her boyfriend? Messaged me and she's like I've been wondering what's going on But no because my boyfriend's been taking the green juice twice a day Then they send me a picture. Well, I'm just kidding last part was too much But they did message me and say that they've noticed the increase in semen So I don't know if that's a great or not. I don't know if this is a selling point or not, but it changed the taste too I don't know Now he's lying. He knows I'm just I mean diet effects it doesn't really yeah, what about pineapples that really true Eating pineapple. What makes I feel like you would know better than any of us Meaning to ask Adam Justin only knows just like withholds information fall to what? Adam only knows what his taste like I Think the ultimate level of narcissism We signed Organifi for a year because the last few commercials we've been doing a little racy I don't think we're doing so Ashwagandha in the green juice actually Ashwagandha is is it boosts fertility in men? And that's probably one of the ways it does I want to speak for done right now because I know dogs Probably thinking it because I know he manages the counts and sees as much as I do and Organifi's Commissions came in the day and we're we're down. We're like one of our we had our lowest week last week. Did we really yeah? Yes, we have one of our lowest weeks and it might be Volume I think we had I think that was a commercial you did last week where you talked about that I don't know man. I think I don't think that angle works. Maybe we should ask our audience Definitely a different angle. Yeah Aren't you aren't you working with Organifi too? No, oh, you're not who are you working with that?  No, just thrive. Yeah. I think it's just right. Oh, they're the only ones Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah. No, that's I need to step it up. I keep telling him Are you not complimenting his hair?  Would you guys do this weekend? Well, let's see. What did we do? Oh, I got my tooth Like we can wait a minute or you took a day off or yeah, what happened yesterday Dude the sign that you guys that's gonna be put up on the wall over there's freakin awesome. Cool Yeah, it's really it's real to real moss. Yeah, how do you want a whole new look? Oh, it's not real mom. No, it's not it's made to look it looks real though But now you just feels we gave it away. I thought it was real. It felt real It's called a living wall, but it's a fake living wall. So it's a dead wall. Yeah. Oh, we'll forget it Justin told me it was real. I thought it was real. I mean, I'm still believing Santa Claus we were gonna do a real living wall and It's I incredibly hard to maintain especially in a space like that. It doesn't get good light So that was the no, we're not doing that. So so so now it looks real, but it's not no need to water I like that better. Yeah, right. That's more looks. Yeah, it looks awesome. Yeah, I'm more down with that What about what you guys end up doing yesterday besides that you guys you did a bunch of videos, huh? Yeah I slapped intros on some of the videos that you did and been Paul I'm really excited for the Ben Pollock videos to come out. Those are really cool. I like the way they're shot I think it's cool that we're in that big text gem Did you watch the videos yet that I'll every time me every time you guys do a video I watched the whole thing I get head set it up and listen the whole thing and then I intro it Even if I know what was in the video. How did they come across? Good good. I really like the ones you've done recently I think like you're really hitting your stride the way you're communicating the information that we're providing for people You know what I think I think it's more effective on YouTube when there's one of us on screen and not all of us on screen Yeah, it's more engaging though. Well, it's hard because it's hard because we like to do everything together Well, it we've also like to do boy things I Tickle fight You know where you get Justin's right right where the cakes meet the thigh right in the bottom there And that is bodybuilders are called the glute and tie-in. Yeah, we call all right. We call it the cake crease And it's like people like it. Yeah, it's terrible. Did you guys listen to the commercial that Justin made? What are we gonna air that Doug or is that come? I know you don't have a mic So just give me the signal. Are we airing that anytime soon like a week two weeks? He's okay couple weeks. Yeah, I'd recorded a few America a few commercials My own flavor dude. We were you know how that all happened right Adam. No, no So this was what trip was the last one we're Austin So we're we're about to get on the plane and and so Justin's like I'm gonna eat some some cannabis edible chocolate balls So he did and we get on there. It's all good And you know we get on there and I can tell when it hit Justin because we're talking and all of a sudden He's like inspired He got down his phone and he was just typing away on his phone I mean the entire the whole flight like four-hour flight Yeah, and you end up writing or like a bunch of jingles. Yeah, I think it was six or seven commercials that I was like this I Was just trying to make it a little bit ridiculous because here's the thing man Like we've been like trying to present things in a certain light and it's like, you know I just I want to kind of turn that model on its head just a little bit give it my own little flavor a little addition So I'm curious to see you know what people think, but we'll see yeah I'm interested. I think the fans or the people that love the show or they've been listening I hate same fans of the people that listen to show our friends. I don't like it. I don't not like it So I say follow all of my fans Or youtubers actually said that once on that Hey, what's up youtubers? Taylor looked at me like what everybody watching me like I'm a youtuber People behind this Resume now I'm a youtuber people do yeah, they like for their jobs. I'm a professional That's what my kids are most proud. Is that true? Yeah, that's what they're called They come I'm a youtuber if you talk to somebody who makes a living. I had no idea. I could add that Yeah, I did to your resume that you hand out to everybody Right cuz I'm the only one I linked it Where was the last time what if you guys actually put a resume together? Over a decade never over a decade 76 never only Sal was born that I was I wasn't born in 1976 I never really needed one actually. I guess a resume I was always like if you could put me in front of the person who made the decision I was so confident that I would get the job. Yeah talk your way in and it's actually worked the most the best time I ever the best example of that ever had is when I sat down in front of a Like the regional vice president for Bank of America for investments now mind you I had Zero experience in investments. I had zero experience in banking All I done is managed gyms and health clubs and sales teams and all that stuff Nothing to do with banking like that So I show up to this meeting and the guys first thing you ask me is like what's your experience and I go? I go off and got the job that day actually got the job got a figure job him. I just you know Huh, are you honest?  Oh, yeah, and I feel like he's hungry even if you have no experience or she has no experience I'm always gonna leave that table and be like I think I'm gonna hire that person Well, those are always the best employees because it's like then they're not coming in with all this Like previous knowledge where they're gonna tell you what to do. You know, that's that happens. So I got the job I got a six-figure job as a premier banker for Bank of America Which is when you handle people with over half a million dollar in assets or something like that for the bank I forgot exactly what it was and they gave me obviously wasn't very good at Terrible they gave me 30 days to Study and pass a my series 6 and series 63 Licensing test. So you've all heard of the series 7 right? That's what stockbroker So series 6 is like a step below that not nearly as difficult but still for somebody it was like learning Chinese for me It was literally like learning a different language.  I'm way too loud for that way too rambunctious and People who work in banking are pretty unhealthy. So that was a tough thing for me too So they bring food in all the time and then they'd ask me if I want some I'd say no And then they'd ask me fitness advice and makes you know, I'm telling people how to work out I'm like, well, I'm gonna bank talking about how to work out I guess I'm not supposed to be doing this I wish I were I wish I remember what Justin's resume looked like when it came across my desk Did I even throw one? Of course you did. There's no way you would have gotten job Yeah, yeah, he said it was a No, actually what's really funny is at that time I remember when I was hiring and staffing at that time and I was looking for trainers and this was actually a time in my career I decided that okay, I'm gonna look for you know guys that specifically have a Kinesis or sports medicine or sports management degrees and look for that and because before that I was always searching people within the gym like the I used to have a lot of success with Finding the kid who was just like me working in the gym at like 17 18 years old and like really passionate about was doing wanting to learn athletic whatever and so that had that you represented a shift in my thought process of Hiring and you and Nick at that time were trainers that I came across You know with degrees and I remember thinking like okay, I'll bring these kids in let's see where they where they go from there I just wish I remember what it would. Yeah, I don't know I I know I shot my resume. I think first I went to the Santa Cruz long as I lived in San Cruz I just came home from Chicago and was like fuck. What am I gonna do? I have this degree It's worthless, you know I have no idea where I'm gonna go and I was trying all these different Things out like I was trying like sports marketing out. I was trying out different Different pursuits as far as like, you know actual business like type ventures where I like wear a suit and be professional And I just didn't feel like me and so I just thought hey in the meantime I'll work at a gym, you know, because that's something I'm pretty comfortable and familiar with and so I sent the I sent them my resume first and then they basically I think they passed on me dude And they like we're like well, we do have an opportunity. It's on the other side of the hill You know if you're willing to drive for it and I was just like so desperate. I was like not making any money I remember going out on a date and my credit card got declined.  Yeah, I'm the date. Yeah, right It was embarrassing as hell. I like No, you know, I I called a friend that came down and he kind of covered me behind the scenes But it was so long it took so long was obvious that she just was frustrated with me and then that's like the scene From what should we call it that movie where he has to call his friend He tries to play it all off and he's like stalling with dinner. Yeah, I was stalling for days Why can't I think of that 80s movie right now? Come on. It's a classic Ridgemont. Oh fast.  It was a lot like that. I was a kid refilling the coax I was at Gordon Bearsh. I was at Gordon Bearsh downtown. Actually. I remember this vividly and I just I Don't even know I'd like asked her out. I like wouldn't 80. I don't even money, you know Let's hang out. Yeah, let's do something You're watching your order. She's like, I'll have the double burger the fried you sure you want to have Sirloin yeah, the steak burger, please.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about you Adam? Do you What was I doing this weekend? I was at you too. So I saw you. Oh, yeah, that's right. How was that? So did I not I haven't shared that on the podcast. I guess we I forgot we didn't see you yesterday.  I mean, so this is my fourth time seeing you to and I'm not a you too fan So I've seen you two more times than any other band But you're not even a fan I'm not even a fan of their music and it's not that I'm not a fan of the music It's just they're not some they're not a band that I ever really listened to that much. I appreciate some of their music I don't subscribe to a lot of their political views, but what is true about the band is they put on The most epic fucking show and it's like not even close like all the other concerts I've seen in my life It's you too and then there's this huge gap and then there's two three four five six as far as like putting on The best performance you can literally hate the music put earplugs in go and watch that show you'll walk out saying that was the best show I really and the reason why is there? They're the most world Innovative yeah, they're the most world-renowned band that tours today like nobody is bigger than you to worldwide and They have the most amount of money Reinvested back into their touring and and all their equipment and gear and tech that they put into every show And even though they're not always releasing new albums Every show you see and every time I've been to a show they they're pressing the boundaries on tech and things that you've never seen before So this time I I call my buddy up who always hooks up this the tickets And I mean I'm in the perfect seat I'm mid-row 15 15 rows back like eye level dead center Like couldn't ask for better seats where we're at and I said hey So did you see this tour yet? And he's like no I haven't seen it, but I heard it's just like last year I'm like that's cool. You know my I brought friends to show them the con then I was excited to show them I was like whatever. I'll see the same thing and I'm sitting down We're waiting for the show to get started and they have like the entire SAP center has a screen that goes the whole length of it, right?   Oh just wait It's better.  So it's not even like you're looking at Bono. It is Bono It's his movements and everything, but he's digitally animated and 3d on the phone and I can move it like this like wow Dude, I caught myself in the best seats the house Looking at the kid in front of me using his phone half the time because I was so Fascinated by the tech and what they were doing so and if correct me if I'm wrong Maybe you know this Justin because you were in the music industry for a little bit Whoa, whoa, dude No, but for reals what I think that the most the majority of the money that these artists make now is on tour, right? Yeah, definitely it is and I feel like that's gonna keep it's gonna the disparity between how much money you make selling your music Yeah versus touring is just getting bigger and bigger. Okay. So now on that thought process Take this one step further now That's is and this the technologies here the NBA playoffs did it this year They kind of failed at it Intel was the company that did it wasn't that great But it's here Imagine this you I'm telling you guys all the time about you too.   So it's and the way that I'm worse in the way that more is just tour Yes, you know be in person. Well, that's how the artist Yeah, we'll actually make the money depending on the contract that they they sign I feel like it's gonna get like that more and more with so many different industries because So many different things are gonna be so easy and so accessible Yeah, and so hard to patent that if you know like I can create a product and in the future You can 3d print it you just download the blueprints or whatever So it's like that person or person to me It's actually gonna be more valuable in the future Yeah, then it is now because that's something that you can't copy until of course they come up That's why that's why I get excited about it cuz real artists Well, there's so many avenues for them to make money independently on their own now and you see this You know, it's just it just takes like a lot of them Just want to kind of put off the business end of it right because I'm just an artist and I create because I'm passion I don't don't do for the money and it's like no, dude You need to make a living if we all do, you know, but you know There's actually ways to do that where you can keep control and maintain control of that So so I'm gonna sound like an old barnacle here, but I didn't even know that Red Bull has been moving into the space and I had no idea what space to the music industry really Okay, so okay, I'm gonna put you guys on to some shit right here I'm trying to get my phone going right now So I get my the YouTube up and Doug's gonna hate me for doing this But I have to show you guys this because I totally forgot about it And I wanted to prep you show you before the show so we could talk about it But fuck it works and do at the middle of show but So I turned you guys on to Tosh Sultana about two years ago, which at that time nobody I knew as my friends Knew who she was she's from Australia. She's an artist and like one of the new hip things It's really cool to watch and I think it's I think it was hated on when it first came out But it's now evolving and you're seeing some real badass artists do this Are these one or two man bands that are playing 12 different instruments and they're looping it because we have the technology to do this Yeah, you can play one and you record that yes, and you're doing it right in front of people So Red Bull studios have got these dope ass studios that are set up Which I'm gonna show you guys in a minute all over the place And you're seeing these types of artists starting to pop out a pop up everywhere and kind of do collaborations with each other and I didn't Somebody shared the video with me first and I was like this is the dope beat like I could totally I you guys I know will like this also and I didn't realize it was Red Bull studios until I caught like a glimpse of the guys His drum set said Red Bull studios I was like oh, that's and then I caught another thing in the corner Then I saw the Red Bull in the corner. So they're like sponsored artists by Red Bull So so check this out. So I'm gonna put Red Bull smart Red Bull does a good job finding like up and coming Oh, yeah, you know they're just I mean they're a cutting-edge company They they've always been right as far as what they've been doing in sports and but to see them move into a space like You know music I think is fucking so cool. Okay, so Doug you're gonna have to pause this right now So these guys can watch this Sick though, right?  I've showed you I know for sure No, you showed all of us. You actually started the SAP center, right? No, how did that go? I saw her in the I forget this I've only seen this is the first concert. I've ever been to When at this venue in San Francisco, so I can't remember the name of it But I mean it's the it was it big or was it a small van?  You know just one person. Oh super intimate I mean, I was on to her from my brother-in-law who put her on put her on to me had when she was like getting like ten thousand views and We went she was at San Francisco. I liked I liked it.  You think you know more people or more kids are getting into music as a result I think we're gonna see better better artists So I think we're gonna see just cuz there's more of them right this to me is I mean I went on like after I started watching one This is how I get my this is where I'm like you where I find something.   I mean I just sent you an article or all of us an article earlier this morning on how These these speakers and stuff people who have opinions or whatever They're not going on, you know, Fox and MSNBC and CNN and talk shows on TV anymore They're going on Joe Rogan and the Rubin report and they're going on, you know, what's his name? Bidget Pirro. Yeah, whatever or the or that one controversial guy, whatever because they're reaching Harris Yeah, they're reaching way more people through new media than they would with the old media and that's making the bigger impact It's making more of an impact than than the other stuff like you could get in front of millions and millions of people now through new media Easier than you go old media media doesn't want you to know that it's already happening Like it's it's getting the majority a share of views and listens already Like that's already the case like as far as like watching TV is is already sort of an antiquated thing now Like a lot as far as streaming in comparison with that I told you guys I canceled my my TV subscription or whatever the dish and I don't even I don't even notice it's gone Nobody cares. It's all Hulu YouTube and in Netflix. You just got to figure out how to get a better internet provider That's that's where I want innovation to happen. Well, I here's what I think is going to happen Because now it is in the best interest of these massive internet companies to have people to give people Excellent access to internet that you're starting to see them now invest money in that like Facebook is investing money on Blimps that will fly over areas that don't have internet and provide free Wi-Fi do that here Yeah, think about it if you're if you're a company like Netflix or you know, like I said Facebook or Amazon More people having access to fast internet. It only benefits you It's this whole argument of like that when I argue with people about free markets and stuff And they're always like who would build the roads we need government to build the roads Yeah, you don't think for a second big retailers wouldn't invest in finding ways to get people Obviously, I want them to get to their store locations and they'll compete over it Which means which means if if I want free internet access because this is gonna happen If I want free internet access or I want good internet access I'm gonna go with the best one and then all of them are gonna compete to provide it to me So I'm gonna go with the free one. So if I'm Facebook, I'm looking at all my competition I'm saying let's give people excellent internet access and let's make it free as fuck in return They'll see some of our ads or they have to have Facebook and all your information or some terrible I saw on the on the tech and me being an old guy is something else that I found that I thought was really cool And I'm sure somebody's gonna laugh at me. It's been around for a while When we went to one of the last games we went to the playoffs I bought off a stub hub now. I use stub hub when it first started and when it first started And what stub hub is for those that don't know what it is It's a place where all the people who own season tickets for any sporting event or concert seats were with that They could put their tickets in this same place where people can find them to buy them.  So that's it's basically legal scalping is what basically what is it legal or is it great market? It's 100% legal. So stub hub what became the the hub for that Nobody else was doing that they started to do it They would have like in big cities like San Jose you'd have a stub hub building or a room that they would rent out and I My buddy and I we would look at the tickets and oh the sharks tonight Okay, we wait for like an hour or two before the game get on there and see if there's any available seats where we want to sit Oh, there is one click we buy then we swing by pick up the tickets then we go Well, obviously that was ten years ago when I first started doing it. It's now evolved to where it's a really It's an app. I don't even need to get the actual tickets Same model for golf and then so you could you could do like Like on like last second kind of things people like ditch out of and then they could resell that spot You can get for super cheap. Yeah, so what's cool is so that's how And I've known this for a long time because even back when you had to go pick it up The owners of the tickets they can sell it at whatever they want So if I buy season tickets and my season tickets are valued for these like close to the floor where I'm at They're valued at five hundred dollars for face value, but it's playoffs so I can get two three thousand dollars of those tickets But I also don't want to get stuck with them if I know I can't go to the game So the owners do this thing where they do a like a stop like a stop by on it where it's okay It's like stocks. Yeah, and every if it's two hours before the game drop it by 25% If it's an hour before the game drop it by another 25% If it's you know 30 minutes before drop all the way to the base of the ticket values Some will even go a little bit cheaper than what their tickets were so that's more than zero, right? It's more than zero so guys like me who live in the cities of the teams that they love to watch And it's really easy and I used to live right down the street from the the Do you rate white right before yeah, so Katrina and I will get in our cars We'll drive to the arena without even tickets We'll go to the arena get in the parking lot Send the parking lot 30 minutes before the games about to start pick the seats that we want to get and I get Them for about 50% of what I would have paid for them on it. Wow. That's just a small piece now That was what I already kind of knew this I learned that I just and we've been using that But what I didn't know and I got a pop-up on it this last time and it says would you like us to? Pair with your Spotify. I'm like and I you guys know how I feel about Spotify I love that company. I've been following them and I'm like hold leave it to Spotify fucking.  Wow like that. I want to go see that. Oh JZ's over here Okay, like that and then so now it gives me a reminder and then I could even go take a step further I can click on the event and go if any seats become available for a hundred seventy five dollars Notify me and then I just ignore it's six months down the road horse. How bad ass and this is why this is why? technology really this is why markets make things so efficient and Prices tend to go down and quality tends to go up that right there because that efficiency Let me put it this way if I'm a scalper or if I'm trying to sell my ticket before this technology existed It was difficult I could put an ad out maybe in a newspaper or an ad out in a craigslist or I could stand outside the arena Try and sell my ticket and I don't have a huge audience of people I could sell it to you It's not really a viable business Technology like this makes it so that people now I would assume now people would buy season tickets now with the intent of saying Oh, absolutely. It's like the VRBO model. Yep, same thing It's like the VRBO model Airbnb model a lot of these smart people Invest in tickets Especially if you can get in on like a team that you know is gonna be like if you're really smart You can get a hold of like warriors tickets before the warriors exploded so you get them when they're down It's like a stock you get them when they're when they're low and they're not doing so well So you can buy them at a great rate you lock yourself in with that Then you wait because then when playoffs come around the value of that that team hits playoffs right away ticket prices are double And each round like I'm every round because we're going every round right where these playoffs the warriors We're about to hit the third round so we'll see what my tickets gonna look like so far It's doubled every single round so it's for the same seats, right? So there's definitely money to be made if you're somebody who owns those tickets But it's just like anything else it would take a little bit of attention secondary third fourth markets You know beautiful thing you guys have seen the car sharing apps and stuff, right? Yeah, like zip cars and things like well No, like if let's say you own you own three cars right and you drive one of them today Well, there's probably two of them at home or one of them at home that you only drive sometimes Otherwise, it's literally sitting in your driveway Doing nothing right well now they have apps where you can rent your car out two individuals to other people They can come grab your car and take it out and bring it back when you want And so you're finding like my cousin who lives in the city doesn't own a car But when he drives down he's always driving down like an Audi a BMW or whatever I'm like, where'd you get in these car like where do you rent these cars? Like oh, I don't remember the name of it. So I know people are pissed off right now the crash it. Yeah That's I'm sure that's easy. That's an easy fix if I have I have you a poor rainy when we rent cars all the time They always ask if we want insurance.   Look eBay is a great example. It's one of the first examples of how technology really Kind of surpass what people thought would happen like when eBay first came out The criticism they got was crazy like oh your people are gonna get ripped off Trying to buy things online from other people that they've never met The reality is the return rate or whatever and the guarantees eBay is extremely safe Place to buy in fact it's safer than going to a you know a flea market or a garage sale or whatever It's a great place to buy things and now we know of course eBay is a massive Do you know there's any shenanigans they just kick you off?  I think that it's even better. Oh, it's great You can rent a couch you guys know that you can actually there's apps where you're not paying for a room Whatever you just pay to sleep on someone's couch like think of all the other things What are the things you guys think we could that people will be sharing? I wonder if it's gonna be clothes I think whoa I Was trying to set you up there.  What about clothes think about that think about this like let's let's say you're a woman and you want to go out to an Expensive dinner and you want to really really nice dress Yeah, I wonder if that would work where you can go on an app For nice dresses are there apps that do that?  I think to the the restaurant thing that is gonna change. There's so many people Oh, are you eat at people's house?  I think they show you what they're gonna serve or whatever Yeah, give option, so I don't think it's a menu.  Are they yes, that's what I've heard.  You're right. Yeah. Well, it's already It's starting to but it isn't though, you know, I'm saying like there's still here's the two things that are gonna They're clenching hard to not let it happen There's two things that are gonna blow that the lid off of that one is there There's something like and I posted the statistic like few days ago I don't remember the number But there's something like X amount of trillions of dollars of student debt That's floating out there right now that is when it hits if when people start defaulting on it because it looks like It's gonna start happening at some point. It'll make the banking crisis look like like nothing So it's gonna it's we're sitting on a massive Potential financial Calamity with the amount of student debt that that is out there. So that's number one number two More and more you're seeing kids now who are weighing out whether or not it's worth Going to college when we were kids. So that's one generation ago. That's it when we were kids It wasn't a question college is worth it go to college In fact, it was pushed so hard that nobody gave a shit what degree you got didn't matter what your degree was Hire you yeah, just go to college and then worry about it, you know when you're there Now kids are looking at it and going well Is it worth the cost because the cost of college is exploded through the roof? It's got it's gotten so expensive that you know if I want to be a if I want to be in medicine And I want to be a general practitioner Well, I'm gonna graduate with two hundred and fifty thousand dollars of debt and I'm gonna be a general practitioner I may make a hundred and something thousand dollars. You're not worth it Yeah, I'd like to see those statistics on you know, as far as kids Going to college and how many if it's really affecting, you know, the universities right now on a substantial level They're not getting as many people to come in, you know sign up for I think we're starting to see it I think more kids are starting to question it So if you had made a YouTube video or any kind of a video 10 15 years ago that said, you know Call it don't go to college unless you don't want to do specific things. It's not worth it People would have ridiculed you made fun of you now You're getting a lot of voices that are starting to say that a lot of people are coming out and starting to say that and and I look I'm one of the I told my son this the other day. We had this conversation I said look when it comes to college, you know If you want to go we're gonna sit down and look at what you want to study and we're gonna figure out if it's worth It or not because it is it has to be worth it It's not about just going for the sake of it if you want to go to college and get a degree and something that Doesn't require a degree. It's not worth it Now if you want to be a lawyer or a doctor or something with a high barrier to enter that requires that, you know That education then it may make sense But if it's something else even tech even getting into tech It's starting to lose its luster where you're getting a lot of kids out of high school Who are very tech savvy and tech advances so fast by the time you get a degree in tech and some tech field Like the shit you learn the first two or three years is already obsolete. Yeah, and I think we've talked about this I think that a lot of the education is gonna be start.  It's like too late. You know, we should I really feel like it would be to To our best interest to start learning more of skills and things that like a printer ship Yeah, apprenticeships and things that that will differentiate you a lot more than the market You don't think we just need more cry closets I don't know Christina Well, I think they're by the cry closet or about what you're talking about you want to come on our show You gotta talk about start start about the first thing. Yeah. Well, I think we're in the middle of a big shift with people not They feeling like they have to go to college.  I mean I said I wish I had dropped out of college earlier on Like I feel like I would have been way ahead of my career. I feel like it put me behind because what I do now I did not need I mean I definitely learned I learned a lot, but it's not I didn't need it, you know And it's really hard for people to believe Now that they can go out without a college degree and make something of themselves But it's happening like you see all these people podcasting YouTube Instagram it's changing like there are so many jobs anyone can go out there and be an entrepreneur And it's really hard for people to understand that and I deal with this a lot with people my aint who are like They still don't understand how I can make a living, you know Not in a traditional job and because more and more people are not gonna have traditional jobs Like it's gonna change the space and as people learn to accept that I think people are finally getting realized They don't have to go to college.  You didn't okay? Yeah, she's she's a hustler We we were in the process of looking for like video really good video editors Now what we don't really care about is your education We had a kid come in here and we just want to see the work that you do and that'll determine whether or not we hire you Yeah, and it's getting like that more and more Especially in the tech field like they're gonna want to see what you can do. It's the thousand hours Yeah, you know like the more the quicker you can figure out what you want to do and get those hours in the better You're off you're gonna be I mean it's it's tough because a lot of people want to be super well-rounded and know everything but you know like Figure it out once you figure that out. You're gonna be so much more. It's cost the cost benefit Look at it this way. Look at your degree. Look at what it's gonna potentially provide you and then look at the cost of that degree And then do the math. That's it. So like let's say right now I wanted to have a career in the fitness industry. Let's say I really have a passion for fitness want to be in the fitness industry I want to Manage big gyms. I want to be the top of a corporate fitness company Now I can go to school and get a degree in a fitness related field like kinesiology or sports medicine And maybe and I let's say I'm looking at the best best schools and I look at it And I say, okay, it's gonna take me four years or maybe six years if I get a more advanced degree And I'm gonna it's gonna run me a hundred to two hundred thousand dollars in debt at these top Private colleges. I don't have that money. So I'm gonna go into debt. So I'm gonna graduate Six years later.  Yeah, or entry level or I could go get a certification and You know go do a good interview and get hired in the same position Now I have six years and instead of that six-year time of acquiring and accruing debt of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars I can make money and if I'm smart I can invest that money and now six months six years later I'm in a management position with six years of experience. I don't have a hundred fifty thousand dollars of debt In fact, I probably have close to a hundred thousand dollars in investments if I was smart I mean, which one's better off the real argument that you that we have or that people have is that You know college does a really good job of curating the information that you need for this degree quote-unquote But what I think is different today that we didn't have the access to when we were in school that is so unique And it's tough. I think for us even to speak on is that Man we you now have at your fingertips on your fucking iPhone The the ability to learn everything that that that kid that's going to that Ivy League school is learning He can come home or she could come home from school and say I learned about this this and that and you could get on your phone and Right then and there Google that exact topic and get a plethora of really good information You can see lectures for free. It's threatening to people. Yeah, it's like how did I learn all this stuff about gut health? I was on Google and college, you know, I knew more than like the med students So I don't know and I think but I also think it depends on what job you're trying to get Some of them have a different have a high barrier to enter but that's the but even that's fucked up Right when you look at teachers lawyers doctors all these things like that Like they put that standard there, but I still think there would be a better way about that I mean, I think any Surgeon would even argue that okay the eight years of school that you had to do before you even did your internship and started to Get hands-on and do all things where did you learn most most of everything that you know or your skill set would be What do you probably started getting hands-on and what if you would have started that eight years ago? And then you had the access to learn all the information that you know, it's a painful realization I've had this conversation with several close friends of mine and people get heated over it Well, here's why they get heated because they're sitting there. Nobody wants to know they wasted a hundred That's like that's good and some people it worked well for them some people they and here and there's where I'm I agree with it And I'm okay is that? Some people need that structure. Somebody needs some people want to go to school and worry about Friday Where we're gonna party and what we're gonna do and the only time that I got to worry about Thinking or growing is when I'm in my classroom my professor is is lecturing me I'm taking notes and then I pass my test and I need that Structure to get me to the level that I need to get in order to enter the market at this certain education level I just think it's it's a horrible way to learn and like people I mean we study the way education structures We study for the test and then we forget it. That's right. It's just so much pressure to get a grade Right and then but also it just pisses me off how there are so many jobs where you get paid Based on your level of education, you know, so that's why it's hard For people who are going in into this. It's really scary.  They don't want to admit that So here's what they say they say Employers want to see it on your resume. So that's one of the big arguments So okay, so you spent a hundred grand so that you can have something on your on your resume And here's the second thing that they'll say oh, I learned Responsibility I learned how to like, you know get focused I learned and I'm like, you know those are skills You would have learned the workforce had you applied yourself. In fact, you would have learned them You wouldn't have been better right like I was always late to class, you know I mean like you wouldn't be late to your job. No you fired. No not at all Yeah, so I mean and sometimes, you know professors take that really seriously, which I appreciate but you know It's a different culture. It's a different environment and I feel like it's sort of like What's it called purgatory? It's like a purgatory where people just need that because they need to find out who they are Their purpose where they want to go with their life. And if you're in that you fall into that sort of category I think it's it's it's good for that But I mean even then like we should be we should be fostering that earlier Good for that. I'm just You have no direction if you have no direction you to spend all this money to figure it out people don't usually figure it out Right. Well, it's yeah, but you average is three or four times. Yeah, I don't I could argue I could argue Justin's point I think that some people are just you're we're in a room right now with a bunch of Entrepreneurial minds and self-motivated people right now. So it's really easy for us to see oh, this is ridiculous There's no way this has any value anymore. It's so silly. I wish I would have known this I would have dropped out of college sooner, but that's you though It's for safety-minded The other thing is it it prepares you well to work for somebody, you know And that's what the real structure is either it like to become a professor to become a teacher to become like You know somebody that works a nine to five like this definitely is a structure in place Just okay, let's just like look at the way college is structured Why do you need two years of GE's like why can't we just hop into our major? Like that is just a well-rounded argument. Why do I have to take a class on folklore and rock and roll?  Never if it was a real free market colleges would be competing to give books free They'd give you electronic books all the although all you want the book.  Who do you think's gonna bail it out?   Why don't we compare apples to apples people who left high school? Who decided they knew what they wanted to do and who were very serious versus people who graduated college? Let's compare those two people and then let's see if there's a difference and I bet you there isn't in fact I bet you the people who left high school knew what they wanted to do worked hard to it worked hard Hard towards it at the end of four years were ahead Maybe not in salary but ahead if you count debt on top of it because they had no debt But they also had money they saved and possibly invest it So this is the this is the conversation that people need to be having in some Circumstances with the current cost of higher education in some circumstances.  So and and with the ease of accessibility to information I'm sorry. It's a crime and companies are starting to see it now. They're starting to Here's what you get when you go to an expensive Well, so we needed we needed everything to be have access to it and that was the biggest control they had was the The ability to withhold all this information from you know these like high level Professors or people in the field that are like world-renowned or whatever they're gonna sell you on but that's not the case anymore So it's it's really doesn't have a whole lot of weight. No, you know what? You know what a lot of people still go to these expensive schools for still it's not for the education It's not it's for the connections. Yes status.   You know I'm saying it's crazy I think like I said, I think what you're gonna start seeing is people are gonna go to Companies and corporations to learn from them get those certificates certifications I think companies are start asking people show us what you can do now. We don't care what your degree is But here's it. Here's a project complete the project bring it back to us like we did like when we're hiring a video editor That's what we're gonna do edit this video if we like it.  I don't care For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health a performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's a large e and if I comm and use a coupon code mine pump for 20% off at checkout Okay, Carmen Alessa if it's not possible to separate cardio and weight training which one should you do first? Sounds like Carmen Electra remember. Oh, yeah, but I had a poster of her back in there. She was hot I normally tell people to do which is more of a priority first. So for example if I'm talking to a a real skinny physique and You are coming to me because I you need a lot of help building muscle And that's what's more challenging for you But you also want to make sure you do cardio because you still have a little bit of body fat That's you say you want to lose I'm gonna make sure we weight train first because I want all of your energy all of your focus Everything you can into your programming of your weight training and then any cardio that you need to do afterwards We would do afterwards and if yet the other was true if you are putting muscle on is really easy for you You're not like desiring a lot more muscle You would you need to lose more body fat and that's more of a focus within that I'm gonna put my energy and focus on on that first You know what even though even there though even for somebody who wants to lose a lot of fat I'd probably have him lift first You know the only person I would have do cardio first is the person with endurance goals Like someone who wants to develop lots of endurance in that case I would have them do right that would give you the person yeah another example of somebody who Cardio is a higher. So it's whichever was more of a whichever one's more of a priority Yep, I'm doing first I would question this person too because I don't know if we're talking about aesthetics right now or not But like why does cardio have to be involved? Well, I think she's a crossfit athlete. She's pretty shredded I looked at her profile So it's like really really lean and I think she does crossfit and so she's trying to figure out like which one she Which one here's the funny thing This really brings up an interesting topic about how the body adapts because they've done studies on this This has actually been studied where they'll compare Groups of people who do cardio first and weight training second and then weight training first and then cardio second And what they find is the people who do the weight training first Gain more strength and the people who do cardio first gain more endurance Yeah, that's I'm saying you put the focus on whatever you care about is whatever when you care about most you prioritize But how interesting is that right? It's like you're still doing all of it But it's the body prioritizes what you do first not what you do last which Can almost sound counter-intuitive you would think that it would be the one that you would leave off with That would send the stronger signal my theory is that When you're friend that Because it's the last thing you did but you've got like more you've got more oomph at the beginning and give it You're all that that's true, and that's what I was gonna say I think it's because you're fresh your CNS is fresh your muscles are fresh So you're sending a louder signal with whatever you do first and then the second thing that you do You've literally switched whatever mechanism is your pride this girl is diced up. We need to show it She's diced. What do you why why cardio? Why are we even doing cardio people are obsessed with cardio? Yeah, there's no reason to do cardio maybe for endurance for her, you know for for stamina. Yeah, I would which then okay I get it. You know I'm saying and I think there's Someone who's like that.  That's right, and and use this now Here's something interesting you can do with this particular concept or principle of what you work first is what your body Tends to adapt towards more than what you work second third fourth and so on so here's what's real real cool about this now When you look at a workout that's programmed and put together if it's put together Properly now individual programs are different I'm talking about if someone designs a program for the masses like maps for example if you look at a maps program Typically at the beginning of the workout You'll find the hardest biggest gross motor movements first And then it'll move down the row and then at the end you're typically doing the lighter easier Exercises and the reason why we do that is we want most of the adaptation and gains to go towards the gross motor movements Because there's a lot of carry over from those gross motor movements You're gonna get more bang for your buck, but let's say you're a person who wants to sculpt their body Let's say you've got muscle built.  Well now you can use this principle and Hit your hamstrings first now You can break the rules a little bit instead of squatting at the beginning of workout You can go do some hamstring curls some single leg deadlifts some stick stiff legged deadlifts or other hamstring exercises To hit the hams first and then go hit the squats and what you'll find we and I've been doing this for years when I train Clients when there's a weak muscle group or when there's a recruitment pattern that I want to create is I'll mix it up And I'll I'll put the one that we want to focus on most first right you prioritize it first That was the I think that was the simple answer I was trying to give with this is whatever is more important to you at the time and that could potentially change Maybe you look at your physique right now because obviously she cares about stay She looks amazing and maybe you look and you're like, oh, I'm you know, I feel a little soft right now I want to lean out a tiny bit. Well prioritize cardio for the for a couple weeks and then see what happens And then I guarantee you're gonna lean out And then if you like what's happening continue on that direction if you don't and you feel like you're start your Muscles starting to sacrifice then flip flopping. Well, this also feeds into why we sort of You know tried to try to educate people on the what a proper warm-up looks like so, you know The old adage of I'm just gonna go out and kind of warm up my body by going for a light jog or running around You know a few laps and then getting to my workout after that, which now all of a sudden yeah realize that what you're Prioritizing right away. This is more endurance base.  I need to endure through this workout. You're not priming priming It's totally different concept. It's something that I'm trying to generate, you know, this loud signal from my CNS I'm trying to get full body muscular tension. And what does that look like? It doesn't look like just a light jog, right? No, no, and what you're doing is you're trying to You're trying to prioritize a signal that you want to send and when you do cardio first Even if it is for a light warm-up You're gonna take away a little bit from the signal that you're trying to send later on when you're lifting weights Unless the signal you're looking for is endurance like if you're an endurance athlete And you have to do your run and your workout with weights all at the same time Like you have two hours or whatever and you're an endurance athlete Yeah, I'd say I'd say do your endurance training first and then finish off with your resistance training Otherwise resistance training should be first above and beyond cardio for most people because most people They want enough endurance to be able to work out and live their regular lives Most people aren't looking for maximum endurance Well, most people going to the gym are looking for us to sculpt and change the way their body looks if we're being honest, right? And the the the adaptation signal you want to aim towards that's going to give you the biggest yield in terms of Aesthetics and changing and sculpting and shaping your body is strength is building muscle. That's where you're actually Literally shaping your body in which case you want to do your resistance training first Well, I talked about this way back when I was competing in If if your goal is not to have endurance like salicyl like if it's not that like that's the only way I'm even implementing cardio like this at all Like if if you're like I need to have stamina. I'm running a Spartan race I'm gonna cross fit and I want to be good in my wads So I have to have that endurance like it's getting programmed in otherwise if you're aesthetic like I'm I'm Manipulating your nutrition program and your weight training program as much as I can without any added cardio You don't need to I can get you diced the way she looks right now Which is a may or with some of her pictures that she has on her Instagram I can have you looking like that with zero cardio.  Let's organify. Boom Thanks, Justin. Bring it back. It's like five commercials in one battle bringing it back if that doesn't drive sales I don't know what you mentioned that I was like we gotta really hammer this home Ashwagandha Next question, please. Okay dining with a deal. Should I ever get a weightlifting belt? Oh The controversy. No, I'm glad why I'm glad we're talking about this now because I think that this is there's a handful of things on our show that We've either talked shit about or said something about and then we've kind of like been okay I can see some applications for that and and we have different views and I feel like the weight belt We've kind of been back and forth on a little bit. I don't think we it's a hard It's the one lifting aid that I use You know semi-regularly above all else like squat shoes I may use I haven't used them for a long ass time never use wrist traps a weight belt It's something that I'll use maybe a couple days a week on my really really heavy lifts right now I'm using it a lot because I'm going super heavy, but Justin never never never use it ever Yeah, you know, here's what a weightlifting belt does. Okay, it's in this. I'm gonna be totally honest and I use it I use it a lot in fact I just put posted a video where I was doing some heavy farmer walks wearing a weight belt and somebody asked me Why are you wearing a weight belt? And I was very honest so I could lift more weight when I wear a weight belt That's why yeah, I did a video for the Instagram and I wanted And if I had if I didn't have the belt on I probably would have done 400 pounds and with the belt on I did 425 Right, so what does a belt do a belt? Creates more core Stability and the way it does this is a real belt by the way not the shitty Skinny in the front fat in the back, you know weird by the end of the technique behind Yeah, you want it you want a thick belt that goes around your waist and and they're very thick If you ever hold a real weight belt in your hand It's thick it's it's made very stiff and you put around your body You put it on real tight and what happens is your core pushes out against the weight belt and the belt creates more core stability which then Allows you to Lift more weight some people say oh, I need to wear a bail a belt to protect my back Well, yes, it does protect your back when you're going with weights that you can't do without the belt But if you lifted weights that you don't need the belt for then your back should be safe as well So should you get a weight weight lifting belt? It's up to you I mean if you're competing with I feel like it should I feel like it's a really good feedback mechanism And what I mean or feedback tool so in our prime We have these three zone tests and the first zone test is we teach you to get up against the wall And you have these points of contact the back of your head your wrist your elbow your low back and The idea is to see if you can travel your hands over your head and keep all those contact points And if you can't then you fail the test now that test and that or that and that can Contectively be an exercise and a corrective exercise for somebody does not require a wall Does not require that you have a wall But what the wall does is gives a brain and gives the person trying to figure out what to do a feat feedback And I think the same thing with it with a belt like a lot of people just don't know how to activate their core and Lock down their spine and when they get especially when they're squatting because squatting and deadlifting is such a Mechanically challenge or challenging type of movement. So when they do that the belt I think provides this artificial feedback for them to do that now just like the posture thing that I would teach somebody That's a tool. I you don't need I don't need we can't have to rely on a wall for you to get in good posture I'm trying to get you to understand how you're supposed to feel so I can use those the wall is cues The same way that I'm trying to understand you how to control and activate your transversa dominance by pressing against the belt Even though it's a different it's a different recruit right It's a different recruitment pattern But it's still the awareness of the core and how important that is if you lock it in and stabilize it in a squat Someone like Justin who's trained for so long with good technique without a belt has trained to lock his corn really well And you can see it in a squat when he drops down in a squat His core is is locked really well This was something I was not good at and I'm still not good at it. So like Sal I weave in and out In fact, I actually squatted ironically we're talking about this question I squatted with the belt yesterday for the first time in probably six months And it was just because it was the first time that I was I wanted to challenge myself weight-wise I hadn't done anything for singles or doubles for squats was since the Achilles And so I've just no reason to challenge it and I didn't go crazy But right now for me anything over 250 is you know scary weight for me because of the the injury So I was and the last thing I wanted why I'm thinking about my Achilles and everything else going on was my core to fold And I know that if I have a belt, it's kind of like cheating for me It allows me I can feel my my abs pushing against it as I come down It gives me good feedback and it helps me protect my spine So but that's how I like to use the belt is as a tool as a way to get people to understand What it's doing and you want to really learn to train yourself to do that intrinsically, right? Yeah.  I definitely get it But if I'm gonna be real and honest like the way that I look at it is I didn't do the work I didn't do the intrinsic work that it takes for me to be able to stabilize properly to go through all the channels in my kinetic chain to be able to You know put this load or carry this load into this exercise and So therefore I need to go back and reassess where the deficiencies lie So for me, it's and it's tough because like you said, it's decades. It's decades of mechanic work. It's decades of Being under the the barbell to figure out kind of where you are and how to brace properly and how to kind of get everything Working simultaneously the way that it needs to because the belt really does provide security safety When you start really loading an excess of weight onto your spine and your body like you need to be able to you know React appropriately and that's so true because yesterday when I squatted like even after I did I knew I'm like, you know What I need to do is I need to go do more ab work And I need to do more work where I have control of my pelvis at the very bottom of the squat Because I know that when I hit the bottom of squat when I have a heavy load on me There is a split second. I mean it is very small but a very split second where I relax my core and I'm not stabilizing my whole hip complex and I just am thinking about getting out of the hole and that split second is enough to potentially injure me or for me to Even feel it that I'm feeling it in the wrong areas and if I would have a really stable core Naturally that wouldn't happen and there's a there's a tech by the way There's a technique to using a weight belt. It's like you put it on and boom. I'm stronger No, you actually have to have to learn how to use it. You have to learn how to put it on It's funny whenever I were trained with people and they'd want to use a weight belt Like they didn't they couldn't even put it on tight enough They didn't have the technique and it felt uncomfortable So there's definitely a skill and there's a lot of skill involved with learning how to use weight belt But one thing you understand is this if you get really really good at lifting with the belt Then that's where a lot of your strength lies isn't wearing the belt once you take the belt off You may be surprised at how Not strong you feel when you have when you take the belt that happened to me years ago I remember I was doing lots of heavy deadlifts and so I was wearing the belt every single time I deadlifted anything over 300 pounds put the belt on and I got my deadlift up to like 530 Or 535 something like that which is a decent weight And then I went to visit my cousin up in Sacramento Forgot my weight belt so and we were supposed to work out the next day I'm like, ah fuck whatever. I don't have my weight belt I'm just gonna work out without one and I put five plates on the bar 495 So here's I'm a guy was pulling 535 with the belt I pulled 500 and I grinded that motherfucker up without a belt on and I was sore as Shit up and down my low back and then I realized like wow that that belt adds like a good 30 pounds to my deadlift and so You know is it worth it? I don't know. I mean I like the the I love I enjoy the art of lifting weights I do it for the sake of doing it I don't necessarily do it for the sake of You know being a stronger person in the real world although I enjoy that as well I actually just do it because I enjoy doing it. So that's what the belt is for me But I cannot disagree at all with what Justin says in fact the right answer is what Justin says Which is if you're listening to this podcast and you just want to build a strong body You want to look good should you ever get a weight lifting belt probably not it's probably you're good You'll learn different recruitment patterns. You're gonna get good at different There's no need for it Just get really good at being able to do it without a belt get the mobility get the stability that your body can provide without it Now if you're a gym rat, you're really into the gym and you want to try different things I totally get it I do the same it looks really cool with a stringer tucked into it or a wife beater Those are Taylor's people those are Taylor's people I like to wear my weight belt Some like I now I know I'm strong as I normally am and totally my fanny pack with chalk in it Okay, next one Corey Samadowski. I hope I said your name, right? I constantly feel hungry all the time I feel like after I eat a full meal I feel like I can always eat more even though I know I'd be in a surplus Not sure if there's anything I can do to help this problem or not I'm a new member of the forum and I'm not sure if this is something I can ask in there or not Except let's ask millions to listen You know So a couple things first, you know, you'd be in a surplus. So that's an interesting statement If you're somebody who you're you are overweight you're 20 pounds overweight 30 pounds overweight And you find that you never feel satisfied with the food that you're eating. There's a couple ways I would look at it one is There's some emotional stuff that's going on here with food and many times what we think is Hunger is just cravings and cravings are motivated not by the actual hunger signals But rather that by our emotional state context like the environment I'm in or the people I'm around Or you know, there's lots of different things. Am I stressed out? Am I anxious? Am I bored?  That's just the bottom line remember remember this Highly processed foods are engineered to make you want to eat more. They're engineered to override cravings Yeah, they override your your natural systems of satiety like if I sit down in front of a bowl of You know whole natural foods I'm less likely to overeat than if I ate sat in front of a bowl of highly processed foods We can use potatoes as an example get a bunch of plain white no salt no butter Boiled baked potato or boiled potatoes It is many as you can in 15 minutes and then try that again with a bunch of fried potato chips with salt on them and see Which one you you overeat on I also want to point out that if you are just now getting the forum And I don't know if that means you potentially am following one of the maps programs, too That in this is common I just I'm coaching a girlfriend of mine as a favor and one of the things that I had to tell her is like when we first started off is If you're hungry, I actually want you fed.  Yeah, that's what I'm saying if I'm overseeing the diet so I know the types of foods that she's choosing I'm completely fine with oh you want another serving of steak go for it have another four ounces if you're still hungry Oh, you want you want another two cups in your greens and salads or another tablespoon of coconut oil in there I absolutely do it like I want you fed if you feel hungry like that where you're that could be your body's Metabolism saying hey, we are stimulating we are lifting and we're trying to build muscle We need more nutrients and I don't want you to deprive yourself. I want you fed So there's a lot of things that could be going on because what's funny a lot of times is people will feel this and they Don't reach for the whole natural type of foods. They'll be like oh my god. I'm so hungry Yeah, and so and I do this with my kids by the way my kids will eat dinner and it'll be like oh I'm still so hungry and I'd be like cool. We have more chicken in the fridge or we have more broccoli Yeah, and they'll be like no, I don't want that you know I'm saying oh, yeah steak chicken thighs salmon go to town You're not you're still you're still hungry like go have some more eat some more of that for sure I want to see because in my experience It I never unless I was training a competitor who has already been brainwashed I think they need four scoops of protein every day I never have had a female that is grossly over consuming with proteins and fats that they I don't just don't get it I get carbohydrates. I get people that are Over-consuming carbohydrates process foods things like that and if that is not you and what Sal saying isn't clicking with you Then the other thing could very much so possibly be that you're following a new maps program You're following a training program your body's being stimulated It needs more nutrients to build more muscle feed that motherfucker give it some give it some more nutrients If someone has switched over and they're eating nutrients foods though So it's not an issue of their hunger signals being out of whack because they're eating processed right food Then so you're eating all these whole foods and you're still feeling this way It could be something else going on so well first of all I want to I would want to know how much water They're drinking and make make sure that they drink enough water because a lot of people think that they're hungry all the time And they're really just thirsty So if you're getting enough water, I mean I would go back to what you're saying with the macros if our body is too low And any macro for too long a time it's starving for that And you're not gonna feel hungry until it gets that and same with any vitamin or mineral and I see this a lot with salt like people have become really afraid of salt because they're thinking of Processed like table salt, but we're talking about like high-quality Himalayan psalter Yeah, like people you'll be hungry all the time until you put some salt on your food like your body needs that and same with Magnesium which is why supplementing with magnesium helps so many people are like you're craving chocolate your body probably wants Magnesium so anytime you're too low in something like your body's gonna feel hungry until you give it that yeah, if everything is really well-rounded And you're eating whole nutrient-dense foods and you're still having issues And that's when I would look to something deeper like gut dysbiosis parasite candida overgrow something else And I would look into your gut health because like that is really common or even low stomach acid like when you have really low stomach Acid you're not digesting your food if you're not digesting your food your body isn't absorbing it, right?  So our sleep gets all thrown off We're you know in an environment with Extremely accessible highly palatable foods with flavors that are combined and textures and tastes and colors that would never exist in nature So now all of a sudden we can't trust any of those things But if you go back and you stick to The things that we evolved eating and just kind of focus on that will start to happen Slowly as your signals are start to become more accurate and you'll find that you won't overeat You'll find that you'll eat when you're hungry and you'll eat enough and you won't over stuff yourself You'll start to find that those signals are actually quite powerful and I'll tell you this right now Try to ignore your signals or override them yourself for as long as you want Eventually they're gonna win so really the key to long-term success is to get in touch with those signals Understand them and then be able to listen to them because it's easy to eat right when you want to that's the key also goes back to like Like lifestyle factors like sleep and stress if you if you are not sleeping enough you will be hungry all the time I see this all the time so people who aren't getting enough sleep I would get that and yeah, and that happens because it's a it's a form of stress and your body is literally thinking we need to consume and store calories because This person is overcome this is lacking sleep for some particular reason Maybe a famine is coming up or whatever and so you're just gonna consume more food plus You're just awake more of the hours All right Logan Roadman, how do you tell your girlfriend?  If that would work, I can't wait to hear. Yes. Oh, man. Oh, wow. So that's a tough one test You know I do like a random pinch. That's a tough one for guys and girls Like what you tell you well what I'm trying to do for this person because it's there's probably a good chance That I've had a conversation around this at one point and I'm trying to think How that went out as I share the story so I think clever and I'm not saying by any means this is the way this is I think what has worked for me, right? if I think that my My girlfriend is getting fat and I love her and her personality about her But I'm concerned that like I don't know if I really would be okay if she put on a hundred pounds like anyone How often do any of us ask that I do you ever ask like what if my partner did put on now Katrina I've had this conversation. This is again being older wiser like we've talked about like we've made a contract like listen If you get fat you have an out hundred percent each of us like we could love each other kids everything like that You put on a hundred pounds like that's my that's my things in your and the way we say it is this is like That is you telling me you're checked out of this relationship has nothing to do with you Right has a little bit to do with how you look but it's really just yeah Because you're not loving yourself and that and you as a first love yourself before you love me Therefore you showing me that is a reflection of you not love and then this relationship won't work And so we're just gonna agree that we need to move on or separate so you can work on yourself So we've had that conversation now backing to a relationship where maybe I seen a girl starting to creep up on way and like okay How do I say this without selling a dick? Because I think I bring that conversation up without telling her she's fat like for example Opportunity will present itself when maybe you see a couple that is Overweight a lot if you live in California, it'd be really easy to find this couple or maybe even a couple that is in Incredible she just go to a theme park Everywhere or you see a couple who's in it You don't have to point out the negative one you could do a positive angle He too like maybe you see a couple that's an incredible shape But that's an opportunity for maybe you to compliment like wow look at how fit and healthy are like hon Would you ever want to be that couple who's like keeps in really good shape year-round like and start that conversation and see Where she how she feels about it and then I can then she's like why you're trying to say I'm not fit I Not if you do it right not if you wait for an hour if now if you out of nowhere We're sitting here We're what we're at home watching billions our favorite show and I all sudden bring up out of the blue like hey honey You know what do you think about fat people? Yeah? Yeah, that's not gonna work I mean it needs to be it needs to be authentic where something would stimulate that conversation if you're gonna be If you're gonna be a ninja about this and not offend her right away is when the opportunity arises I would present the question as a you know, what do you think about it? Or you know, what would you think if I put on a hundred pounds, you know What would you that's a instead of about her ask her about you like what if I put on a hundred pounds of Body fat, what would you think about me or would we still be together that will stimulate the conversation from there? I can then express how I feel about this and As if it's an important value to me and why so you better wrap your brain around that first So you need to be able to articulate why it's important to you before you just point out that I'll give you I'll give you a like a flip example like with your two relationships. Yeah, yeah, no not not in a personal example I'm not going there.  Hey, would you still be with me? If I was broke You know many women would still be with you if they saw that you were still ambitious and hard-working And you had you were still with that drive if you became this lazy degenerate who just lost their zest for life And then you lost your money There's a there's a big difference there and this is the same thing with being overweight Like if you're with a woman and she gets pregnant and gains a bunch of weight very different than if she Very different about 30 pounds It's very different than her just being like I don't even care anymore about myself I'm just gonna eat whatever I want and and so I think that's the conversation I honestly think honesty's the best thing. I just would be gentle. I wouldn't say things like yeah, honey I don't find my way of gently getting into the conversation where I can be real right like it's let's find a Situation whether be watching a show or we saw a couple that looks this way whether be ripped or overweight That's a great time for it's it's gonna probably naturally pop in your head when you see it anyways And then express it say it you know what honey What do you think of that and then get it going and talking but you better have your brain wrapped around?   What does that mean to me?  My friend actually just asked me this like a few weeks ago about his girlfriend Oh really went to like she's still in college and he's like she's put on so much weight And I don't know what to say and I told them I will to focus on the other aspects of so what would what does she need to do?  She needs to stop drinking so much She needs to start eating better, right? And I was like you need to focus on those not the weight So just and talk about like the mental benefits part of this is because she's like kind of depressed at college like you know just figuring out her life and Like talk to her about why she's feeling that way and say you know when I started working out regularly and eating this way Like my mood totally changed. I have so much more energy and then like you but you have so much more time than me though I've got so much more stress, and I've got to worry about my job I told him only hang out with her if you're gonna be something active, so we're gonna hang out if we go on hike We're gonna hang out if we go to the gym together We're gonna go out we're gonna have dinner night, and I'm gonna cook and it's gonna be something healthy You know what I mean and like forcing it that way. Hey, babe. I cooked asparagus We're having water tonight What's a fasting dinner? It's cool. It's ice cubes really overhauling. It's really really good. I mean my point is don't focus on You're good. You're getting fat.  It's just our relationship Well depends on the relationship, not some people are I mean I I Related to it's great. I related to a reflection of what's going on inside of me. I really believe that our Is it not though, I mean let's think of the thing about all of us our own personal experience Let's forget everybody else our own personal experiences each of us individually the times when your body was physically Out of shape the most so think of your worst time that you were physically and ask Ask yourself and tell me where where were you where was your mental space at that time horrible, right? And so and just like you're saying connect that well I'm gonna I don't I don't it's not my job to connect your happiness and you loving you And I'm not it's not my job as a partner like I don't believe in a relationship like that This is you you have your journey and your experiences and I have mine I just happen to have chose to share this together. Therefore. We're in a partnership But it's not my responsibility to to love you That's you you got to love yourself first and if you're not loving yourself and your body is reflecting that That's that's on you to fix and if you don't want to fix that and you don't love yourself enough I can't possibly love you enough to fix that so therefore We're gonna we're gonna bounce I would I would a hundred percent focus on the not loving yourself and not focus Anything on the way. Yeah, I wouldn't say anything about being fat or being overweight It would all of it would be like look I've noticed that you're you you seem to be More depressed or not as happy you've lost some zest You're not as active as you were before you're not doing the things you enjoy I notice that you're eating foods that seem to be comfort foods And I feel like maybe you're anxious or like what's going on Let's talk about this because I want you to love yourself because it makes it easier to love you when you when you love yourself And take it from that standpoint because when you make it look if this person's gaining weight They probably aren't feeling good about themselves.  It's only you don't any clients I've trained women who were post-divorce and they come hire me as a trainer And then we became close friends and they told me one of the problems that their husbands always had with them was that They were overweight and then they got divorced and guess what they did after they got divorced got fit and lost weight Yeah Not during the marriage because it only made them feel worse when their husband was telling them that their fat all they Would do is they'd want to eat worse and they'd want to move less and just feel more depressed Right, so focus on that focus on the you know take care of your get to the root of the issue Obviously, and that's one of the yeah if you can kind of like Identify that in ways that you can sort of contribute as far as like providing You know like less responsibilities or things in within her schedule to you know, that's exactly what I was just gonna say right now Was promote your time if you're a real stud You'll find something in her day and you'll alleviate that for her If she handles the dishes or she does the laundry or she's the one who whatever that runs the grocery shopping or it's something that She takes that time and goes in eats court or That's when you gotta say fat Because normally what will happen when somebody gets in this place where they're putting on weights and there a lot of times not Always but a lot of times they don't think they have the time I mean how many clients that we had in front of us excuse right is I don't have the time So even if she you point that out you may just end up making her cry and get upset because she feels like she doesn't have the Time to even accomplish that and now you think she's fat and now you just added more to her stress that she already had so maybe alleviate some of that stress by Handling maybe a task or a job that she does to free her up for time for herself And maybe you help her you lead her in that direction to find the things that will help her love herself more whether that be Reading growing walking spending time with the things that she loves Maybe that's going with her friends and doing something But you know make that a priority and maybe help her and a sister if you really care and love about this Yeah, all the Doritos. Yeah, I I had this one this one client once who she would complain about her husband And he was really overweight like a good 60 pounds overweight and she would talk about his health like honey I want you to be healthy, you know, we have kids together this and that so this guy goes and gets a physical From the doctor and they do a bunch of blood tests and everything came back normal like cholesterol was normal blood So he's like, oh see babe. I don't need to work out. I'm perfectly healthy Terrible tear like I what do you say at that point? Why did okay, it bothers me because a lot of women let themselves go once they get interrelationship because they feel like They don't have to try anymore and they're not prioritizing it And I think it goes back to the deeper issue of like not loving themselves and sharing about but I feel like it should Be the opposite like When you're in a relationship, why are you not motivated to take care of yourself more for the other person, right? You know, I think because you start to maybe because you start to feel yeah You start to feel secure and you know and you again complacent You stop doing the things that got you the partner in the first place you stop doing them to keep it So and to keep the person which is a big mistake a lot of people may stop loving yourself Definitely, you stop loving yourself. 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