Welcome back to theCUBE's coverage of Dell Tech World 2022. My name is Dave Vellante and I'm here in our CUBE studios in Massachusetts getting ready for the first in-person DTW since 2019. You know, Charles Phillips, the CEO of Infor and former Oracle exec once said on theCUBE, friends don't let friends build data centers anymore. It's just not the best use of capital for most companies unless you happen to be in the data center business like Sixterra. Organizations want to make hybrid connections with the cloud. They need a partner that knows how to build and manage world-class data centers that are both efficient and resilient. And in this segment, we're going to talk about the importance of hybrid strategies for organizations, how they're approaching hybrid and why a partner strategy is important to support the next decade of digital transformation initiatives. And with me are Randy Roland, who's the COO of Sixterra and Holland Barry, who is the field CTO for the company. Gentlemen, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. Good to be here, thanks for having us. Hey, Randy, as a relatively new player, unlike a lot of data center operators, Sixterra, you're not shackled by decades of technical debt. Tell us more about the company. Yeah, so as you already discussed, Sixterra is a data center company and we're one of the few providers that can provide co-location globally. And so that allows our customers to scale across the globe as our business scales. We operate in 28 markets. We have over 60 data centers and we continue to add more dots to the map based on customer demand. And the primary way we differentiate is that we've built a true global data center platform. And what do I mean by that is that we have a combination of 2,300 customers, enterprises, technology service providers, government agencies, we're a leader in interconnection. We have a commitment to carry neutrality and to provide low latency access to all the different cloud platforms. And we've made major investments in developing our own technology and house. And this will come out as we talk about hybrid cloud is to make our data centers easier to consume. We live in a cloud-first world and so we've got to be able to be responsive and be able to deliver capacity on demand and to allow our customers to dynamically connect to each other so they can start to consume these valuable services. And so that's really what we're doing in Sixterra.  And the exact opposite happened. It was like this rising tide lifted all boats. The business is booming. It's actually quite remarkable, isn't it? Yeah, actually, it's a good point. We actually lean into cloud consumption. I think if you remember, the cloud operates in four walls. And so when a company actually starts to deploy and leverage more cloud, they need a place to land their digital infrastructure hub where they can make connections to all the different cloud solutions they're going to consume and they're using their own internal resources at the same time. And so the more that we adopt cloud and lean into cloud, the more likely our customers are going to choose us. And back to your opening comment about the quote from the Oracle executive. In my career, I've been in the data center business for a long time and it's definitely a generational thing. We have newer generation of IT leaders that when they think about their internal data center, their actual internal data center is ours. They're not thinking about their own four walls sitting on their own property like they did historically. And so they view internal data centers as the contracts they have with six Terra and companies like six Terra. Excellent. All right, Holland, let's bring you into the conversation. What are you seeing with hybrid cloud strategies? Why are companies choosing hybrid? Give us some color there. Yeah, I think we as a company sit in an interesting confluence of some workload movements, if you will. So I think there's been, in some cases, an overcorrection into public cloud. People thought that a cloud first strategy meant that you have to throw everything up into public cloud, especially over the last couple of years when we had the surprise of a large remote workforce. And as you mentioned at the top of the call, Dave, we also have folks with a shrinking appetite to own and operate their data centers. So the hybrid approach is a selective methodology to really look at the applications, look at the strengths of each one of those venues where you can run your applications and workloads and really choosing the one that uses the strengths. And there's several drivers behind that, some of them are costs, some of them are performance, some of them might have to do a security or data sovereignty. So you can really match those requirements and the business outcomes that you're looking to achieve and align them with that platform that's best suited to serve it. So you mentioned a few of them, but I want to sort of stay on that for a minute. Is it egress cost, everybody talks about that? Latency, proximity to the cloud. I mean, I think there's a lot of times I think the ideal situation is you put your high performance transaction, low latency stuff in one of your data centers. And a lot of the data is in the cloud that you might need access to, but is there other innovation? Talk a little bit more about the drivers that you're seeing with customers. Absolutely, I think as it relates to data gravity and the potential relation to egress charges, that is a huge consideration because there's a cost and a performance component to that. If you decide you want to take that data and move it somewhere else, if it's in the public cloud, you're going to pay some pretty large egress fees. But there's certainly other drivers, performance being another big one. If I've got a data lake or a big data analytics platform or maybe an AI platform that needs to live close to the data, and especially if those workloads are associated with crunching the data are kind of high, steady state, maybe even mission critical workloads. But it's certainly a workload profile that's better suited to run within our four walls. You can have the CPU or GPU compute nodes sitting right next to those large data sets operating with each other at land speed. So in terms of the drivers behind making a venue change, if you will, I think cost is one of the biggest ones that we see and maybe performance and security following close after. So how are customers approaching hybrid? Can you paint a picture of kind of what that connection looks like and how they land on their strategies? Yeah, absolutely.  And as they think about recalibrating where those workloads live, exactly what I said before, they're looking at the strengths of the platform and lining up those application profiles to live in the appropriate place. We have a unique advantage because of our interconnection profile and our adjacency to public cloud platforms where people want to have application tiers that may be set on both sides of the fence, if you will. We have super, super low latency connections. You can connect layer two, maybe out to AWS and have your DPC on one side, have dedicated single tenant environments on our side and have those applications interact with each other in a super low latency fashion. Hey, let me just ask a follow-up question on that because I remember the Y2K days, there was a lot of activity, a lot of spending and then CIOs wanted to look at their portfolio and rationalize that portfolio. When you talk about workload appropriateness, are you seeing a similar application rationalization exercise going on or is it just like, hey, keep spending? Absolutely, we're seeing rationalization and I think what's happening is folks are getting a little more savvy about forecasting the growth of their application, the growth of the data associated with it, what the cost may be associated with needing to move them around to different venues. And so we're definitely seeing people look at those numbers and make decisions about workload placement based on that analytics and kind of knowledge of what it means down the road and also where the data might need to live locally too. We're seeing people being a little more cognizant geographically around data, where it lives and how that relates to where the compute associated with that data is. Yeah, makes sense. Hey, Randy, can you tell us a little bit more from a business perspective about the Dell partnership? How did that come about? Who does what? What are the swim lanes, overlaps? Maybe you can help us understand that. Yeah, so we're very excited about our Dell partnership. As you can imagine with as many customers and many data centers as we've got deployed, we have Dell located in a large percentage of our customer environments. And so it's just natural that we work together to figure out how we can continue to meet our customer's needs. And so the core idea that I'm excited about around Dell is that Dell has an excellent technology platform on all fronts. They've got great compute and storage and all types of software solutions. And what we wanna do is help them make their platform more on demand. And so what do I mean by that? If you think about the historical time it takes to deploy a traditional COLO environment, from the time you spec the cage, to you ship the equipment and install the network, you rack and stack the equipment and load the cloud stack, it takes weeks to months to deploy. And so what we're doing is working very closely with Dell to look at our existing customers and new prospects that are interested in their platform and how can we pre provision that capacity in the data center, make it so it's already plugged into the data center already is powered up. It's connected to the network and a customer can purchase it on demand. And so the idea behind this is how can we give our customers all the benefits of COLO, which is what Holland was talking about a minute ago, but deliver that platform at the speed of cloud. And that's really the essence of the partnership we have with Dell. We think it could be explosive. We think there's a lot of opportunity, not only for us, but also for Dell as they continue to retain their customers and their customers go through tech refresh cycles, if they can have on demand technology that they're already familiar with, they can get the benefits that you get from co-location at the speed of cloud. And that's what are the basis of our relationship. Yeah, thank you so Holland. I mean, as Randy was saying, one of the pillars of Dell tech world this year is the whole as a service thrust. And essentially what it is, my viewpoint is Dell's building out its own cloud. It's aspiration, I think, is to connect on-prem through hybrid, to public clouds, across clouds, out to the edge, extract out all that complexity. And you guys would be a key part of that. From a CTO's perspective, that's a different mindset. I mean, it changes the way we manage, think about, procure, spend, and maybe even the technical configurations of how we deliver and consume IT. Can you give us some thoughts on that? Absolutely, look, I think what we're doing is we're laying the foundation for a truly hybrid experience. Randy mentioned us going through great lengths with our technology partners like Dell to make the data center consumable in an automated fashion. And so as we increasingly move into technology as like containers and using coordinators, managers like Kubernetes, we really now have the ability to make a true hybrid experience. And if you think about the experience of deploying in a data center, whether it's your own or a code like ours, that was, you know, a 60 to 90 day conversation to get that infrastructure spun up. And so now if you can consume public cloud resources, just like we've been used to doing where you can swipe a card and get access to infrastructure in a matter of minutes or hours, have the same experience with us, we've kind of closed that last mile of infrastructure delivery. And the other neat thing about this is if you have a cloud-first mandate, if some of those workloads are running in a six-terra data center, we check all those same boxes, right? We have infrastructure that sets off back to have a global platform. We have, you know, highly automated environments. So you can really now start extracting yourself a little bit from the infrastructure and start focusing on the important stuff, which the applications that sit on top. So from a security standpoint, you have a similar, you know, the cloud guys talk about the shared responsibility model. Is that a similar model that you guys have? Can you describe that? Yeah, it's very analogous to the shared responsibility model.  We give a little bit more control in terms of access to the infrastructure. It's one of the reasons that organizations like running infrastructure with us is because we can hand off control to these certain things at the lower levels of the infrastructure stack versus the higher level of abstraction that happens with public cloud. And what kind of skills are you after these days? Is it people that can squeeze, you know, more power and, you know, more efficient cooling? Is it infrastructure management? You mentioned Kubernetes before. What matters to a company like yours from a skill standpoint? Yeah, in terms of our staff, it is at the lower levels of the stack, if you will. So maybe going, you know, up to layer two or three, if we think about the OSI model. So certainly power engineering, cooling engineering, the stuff that physically runs our data center. That's our meat and potatoes. That's important to us. But as you consider a digital platform, certainly networking, know how, knowledge of the entire stack, knowing how things are architected, understanding how cloud work, understanding how cloud connectivity works. These are all super, super important skills set. So we span the spectrum a bit, but it's less on the upper ends of it, you know, kind of going up to layer seven. Although I'd imagine that data center automation is obviously a big part of your IP, right? Is that something that you guys bring to the table? Yes? Yeah, it's actually one of our key innovations is around how we've architected our software platform, how we do our automation, how we run our network. We've built a super, super innovative SDN fabric that powers all of our Metro regions that enables to delivery the infrastructure that hangs off of it. So yeah, a huge percentage of our IP is around that software innovation and that networking automation. Great, Randy, I wonder if you could close it out for us, I'd love your thoughts on where you'd like to see the Dell partnership go and any other information you'd like to leave the audience with. Yeah, I think you've asked a couple of questions about the perspective from a CTO and the way that we want to build our solutions is if you are a CTO or if you're a cloud architect, what we're trying to build is a set of Legos to allow you to assemble your ultimate hybrid IT solution to use a combination of traditional co-location where you have equipment that you own that you manage, on-demand bare metal from great partnerships like we have with Dell that can augment what you have in Colo, have access to a rich ecosystem of technology providers that sit in the same data center markets so that you can start to actually augment your IT architecture with a lot of our solution providers that sit within our markets, access to cloud on ramps so you get low latency, access to public cloud and start to leverage some of the technologies they have and also have the ability to switch, right? If you start with one cloud provider and at some point you find something more cost efficient or a little bit more architecturally built that we can facilitate that switch and then also to have connectivity to all the different network carriers that we have and also to do it globally, right? And so our mission is to give the CTO and the cloud architect the ultimate set of Legos to build their custom solution that's highly cost effective and meets all the technology requirements. Yeah, hedging that risk and having exit strategies I think is huge. Every customer needs to think about that before they dive into the cloud. Okay, guys, we got to leave it there. Thanks so much for coming on theCUBE. Great discussion. Thank you, thank you for having us. And thank you for watching our ongoing coverage of Dell Technologies World 2022. The in-person live version where we insert great deep dive interviews like this one that focus on key customer topics. Keep it right there, you're watching theCUBE.


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Jobless claims surged the highest in almost four months after rising for three of the last four weeks. What a big surge in previous weeks as lockdowns re-accelerate across America. Analysts expect initial job loss claims to slow modestly this week, but instead instead claims soared from an upward revised 862 to 885,000. The highest number of Americans seeking first time unemployment benefits in September. I've made a couple of videos about this. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or economist to see the writing on the wall. What happens when you have, we're coming up what? Some places started doing lockdowns in January, in February, semi-lockdowns at least. Majority of North America did full lockdowns in March. Generations around the corner, marches around the corner. That's one whole year coming up that were economic lockdown. It's not a surprise. It's not a shocker. What's more interesting is the things that you're gonna do. What are you going to do to counteract these lockdowns? I always say it's not that it's the greatest way and I'm the first one to say this guys. We are blessed to live in North America.   There's much, much, much worse places in the world to live than where we live. In fact, we're the minority in the world, the options that we have over here. And in where we live, we have the option and I love this option and it's something that people are afraid of but it's genetically ingrained in us. We have the option of mobility, especially Americans.   I wish we owned some Caribbean islands.  It's like minus 10 the other day over here with snow. It's brutal. Anyways, enough of my cold weather rants.  That being said, you have the option of mobility and we're seeing that today right now in the United States. Cali to Texas, New York to Florida and people are fed up with what's happening in their state. And so the number one thing you can do if you're realizing that your state doesn't have the necessary, I put it this way guys. We are heading to a period of time where states, provinces and nations need to fight for their citizens where, hey, we have the best value proposition. That's where it's heading. And we as human beings are nomadic creatures and we conquer the world because we're bipedal. And we were hunters and gatherers and we went everywhere. We're nomadic by genetics. And I know people are scared to move around places, but at the end of the day, if you're looking at the, if you're looking at statistics and your state is a fucked up state or in Canada, Canada has like, I want to say same, same, same different, different as they say.  You still have options from different provinces. You still have options for different cities. I keep on raving about this or I would say I keep on raging about this and like move away from the city. I've moved away, almost done 100%. City life is done, man, for young families. Like if you're a young guy and you want to go bars and clubs, I get it, man.  I get it. I get it. I get it. But for a young family, you have kids and wife and a partner, whatever. What would a city life have to offer you? 10 times the cost of living? Or what? What's your value proposition? To be in debt for the rest of your life? There's no value proposition. It's not at all. Leave the city, man. Remote work. And so these claims or these numbers is not surprising to me whatsoever. I think it's time for people to wake up and realize mobility, mobility, mobility, move. You know, if we're going to be now, I really do believe in the next five to 10 years, we're going to be entering a stage where provinces, states, and nation states will be fighting for people to be there because at the end of the day, they need us because they need to tax us. Without our tax dollars, they can't function as a government.  But that's a different conversation we'll have another time. Now on to other things that is connected to this, but not connected. Same, same, so so. Billionaire hedge fund manager Alan Howard is backing a little known fund that's buying Bitcoin and Ether. Alan Howard, billionaire hedge fund manager is among the backers of a new institution focused investment firm that's eyeing as much as one billion allocation to Bitcoin and Ether by the year, by yearly next year. According to Bloomberg, one river asset management CEO, Eric Peter, set up a new company to capture institutional interest in the two major cryptocurrencies. He told the publication he bought more than $600 million in Bitcoin and Ether, a process that was completed in November. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but Bitcoin has surpassed his all-time high. You know what that means? Once Bitcoin pops, it flows down, then you have Ethereum will pop, then it'll pop down to the altcoins and it looks like it. We don't want to jump the ship too early right now. You don't want to pop your cherry too early or be premature. But it looks like we're entering the next bull market. I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. I personally don't care. But it's something to keep an eye on. I've been like, listen, I was talking about Bitcoin for a long time. I've been in crypto. I remember, I entered Bitcoin when it was just Bitcoin. When it was Bitcoin and Colorcoin, there was no Ethereum. It was literally just one thing. It was Bitcoin and people trying to build on top of Bitcoin and different color coins on Bitcoin. And then they're talking about side chain and this and that. And here we are. Years later, and we have thousands of currencies and different blockchains and now we're NFTs and all this stuff. And one thing has remained the status quo. The same message is Bitcoin is a different asset class. It is the first time ever we have devised a new monetary system that is devoid of state. The first one being, not money, but being religion. We separated religion from state. Now money from state. Now might not be money as people define as money. We can call this maybe even digital goal. So I call it an asset. So we have devoid it. We have separated asset from state. And people think it's too late. Listen, Bitcoin has value proposition that is beyond just money. I think the money proposition is a gamification when it comes to the incentives for people to be interested in it. But remember that is secondary to the fact of the properties of Bitcoin. If Bitcoin didn't have the properties of number one, at least in my mind, the most important property being censorship resistance. Without that key fundamental property, the monetary aspect of Bitcoin wouldn't primarily exist. Everything else is secondary. The very notion that is censorship resistant through the proof of work consensus system that they have is the primary value proposition of Bitcoin. The fact that you can memorize a seed phrase in your mind and write it down a piece of paper and it's portable. It is very cheap to transfer. You can send a million dollars of Bitcoin might cost you a couple of bucks, peanuts compared to wire transfers in the time it takes. But the fact that it's censorship resistance is first and the incentive of monetary gain is second. Now a lot of people will be coming right now saying, oh, well, Bitcoin at $24,000 too expensive. In my mind, I think Bitcoin is going to be 100k at least. I don't know when I don't really care. But what's more important is the fact that if I decide to leave where I live, and this goes back to my original video, this one will tie this together.  And so I urge you guys, listen, it's not about, hey, I'm going to put my life savings at Bitcoin, or hey, oh, Bitcoin is not going to do 10x. It's a very notion this asset is censorship resistant and portable. This is the thing that kind of keep on iterating on people. I think a lot of people in North America, it's not fair to say, most of us are immigrants, so we've experienced regimes and governments that really are dictatorship like, but people who are, let's say, natively born third generation, fourth generation, and the family has been here from the get go, they haven't really experienced government regimes that are true dictatorship, whether that is from China, or my parents are former Yugoslavia, or whether I've been as well, or places in Africa, or even like, during Soviet time in Russia, until you experience when the guns start coming down and the government really clamps on everything, then you would really appreciate the importance of something that is censorship resistant, portable, that you control, and I'll leave it that, peace.


Baby, give me hope, and now it's with you, mm-mm, as long as you believe in you, mm-mm. We're here tonight because our music series Uncharted, it's gone so far beyond our expectations. Uncharted started as an idea for Uproxx, and it's really taken on a life of its own, and it's turned into a showcase, it's turned into discovering new talent. This is cool, I'm excited, and it's nerve-wracking, so it's kind of scary. And there's so much energy in the other room, and it's really exciting because, you know, everybody's here to celebrate what we've all been a part of, and to see new people, and it's just cool, it makes me realize that a lot of people have seen the episode. This series is going really, really well, and we want to create more of a community with all our artists at Uproxx, and Honda wants to get behind that too, so they were like, how do we get more involved with the artists? They're like, let's throw an event, and let's invite people that can actually make a difference. At first I was feeling kind of nervous, but now I'm kind of excited. I'm actually really excited. I'm still nervous, but I'm more excited than nervous. Welcome to The Village. So it's a 1920 Masonic Temple, and every room's got magic history. The Village Recorders is a historic studio in Los Angeles. Countless albums have been made at The Village. Everything, Alton John, Guns N' Roses. And Lady Gaga, she might make it someday, you never know. Anyway, we hope that we have you on the wall one day soon. To be in a place like this is nice. I'm hoping to, you know, soak up all the greatness from all the people who were here before me. There's like history here, you know, and then you look on the walls and Snoop Dogg and Dre's album and John Mayer and everybody, you know, so it's really cool and humbling to be here. It's really awesome. You know, to make it, to make it a thousand things has to go right. Everything has to come together.  Tonight's important to me because it's my first time really getting like a feel of like a stage and performing. So I know that I'm not going to be the best, but I'm excited that now is the start and I have room to grow. It's important for her to do shows and because she is starting out right now you never know who could be at the show. Producers, ANRs, all of these label people, it's very important for that because it's not only connecting with the fans. It can also help propel her career in a way that she never thought could be possible. I just hope people believe me what I'm saying because it all came from a special place. I hope I can get my foot in the door. People start to know me, remember me. The industry, it's really hard to get their attention. Early adopters are people that just have a sort of innate sense of what is coming and to kind of hear the potential. And those early adopters are the ones that we hope to get into the room because once those people champion something, other major labels, other hitters that are used to breaking artists into the stratosphere, listen to those people. The essential part of a showcase is that someone else will be helping you get your material in front of the industry. The first thing is to connect with really, really like truly connect with people and not that, oh this guy is a good singer or something like that but you feel something. When I was a kid I would run around the house singing some song that I made up but I never expected to be someone as, you know, musician-wise. Even now I'm like, oh my god, they're flying me out to LA, these people, they don't know. This guy's story is incredible. For those that you don't know, Damir, this guy didn't think he had it. Maybe he still doesn't know but we'll remind him. I'm so used to singing in the subway where I just go and I just express myself. Being here and being able to look at people and connect with them and there's no trains going by, it's going to be nice. It felt good. It is weird because I guess I'm just not used to it. It was nice to have people actually listen, you know, like everyone listening. I look at this type of storytelling as the best way to build an audience. You can build an audience with a song but no one really knows you or why they should care and the minute that song isn't popular anymore and the next one is, they forget about you. But people don't forget about the artist's stories and Han is letting us tell these stories. That's what's making these artists develop real fans because once they get invested in who the artist is, then they're fans for life. You know, I just wanted to come and thank everybody here and give them a performance and be a part of, you know, the culture. I think it's going to be just confirmation for myself. Like, I think I spoke a lot about manifestation during my episode and then just to be here and going into a place that's even more exciting. I just want to take tonight and enjoy it and really just celebrate the fact that the music's out and that people have heard it and are hearing it. I know it's going to be kind of like a little intimate showcase but we'll see if we can set it off and get people moving. Very awesome.  Yo, so Uproxx really helped me out a lot. I want to say thank you to them. They featured me on this Uncharted deal and it was like, I got like 2,000 messages on my Facebook the day that it came out, so it was pretty crazy. Alright, we're going to go. I want you guys to kind of enjoy yourselves, feel free to dance. It was an amazing night. Everybody showed up and brought their best and everyone was authentic and I think everybody saw that. Everybody saw that these are incredibly talented people and they're all tuned into what we're doing now.


Asian American writer Amy Tan had a difficult relationship with her mother, Daisy. At one point, Daisy held a knife to her throat and threatened to kill her when the two of them argued over Amy's new boyfriend.   What's scary about toxic relationships is that the signs aren't always clearly visible. In fact, some girls don't realize they have an unhealthy bond with their mothers until they are older, or in some cases, when it's too late. Has there always been a subtle tension between you and your mother, but you're not sure why? Do you often feel afraid of your mother? Here's six types of unhealthy mother-daughter relationships. 1. Buzzing Buddies This is when the mother is more concerned about being her daughter's best friend more than playing the role of a parent. The mother knows every little detail about her daughter's life, and although she offers great emotional support, as her daughter gets older and wants to branch out and do independent activities, the mother will continue to smother her. In this type of relationship, the daughter rarely gets disciplined by her mother and has a hard time building practical life skills because she wasn't given the proper guidance. 2. Boss and Subordinate This is when the mother wants to control and dominate her daughter's life. The mother is often very demanding, rigid, close-minded, and expects the daughter to follow her rules and expectations. She typically lacks empathy and puts pressure on her daughter to perform well. The daughter often feels as though she has to be perfect to win her mother's approval. She also suffers from low self-esteem problems and fears being rejected or judged harshly by others. As the daughter gets older, she will grow resentful of her mother and will typically rebel whether it's done loudly or quietly. 3. Rivals In this relationship, the mother sees her daughter as a rival or threat. Although the mother may seem as though she is supportive of her daughter, on the inside she feels insecure about herself when she's with her. The mother constantly compares herself to her daughter to see who is prettier, thinner, smarter, and more successful. Rather than developing a relationship based on understanding and acceptance, the daughter usually feels internally conflicted and unworthy. 4. The role reversal relationship This is when the mother expects her daughter to play the role of a parent and be there to support her. This relationship is one-sided and the daughter feels abandoned, used, and neglected. The mother is only concerned about her own needs and makes sure she's the one being nurtured by her daughter. At a young age, the daughter learned that she must sacrifice herself and put others first. As she gets older, she often suffers from low self-esteem issues and has a hard time saying no and setting healthy boundaries for herself. 5. The ghost In this relationship, the mother can either be emotionally and or physically unavailable to her daughter. If the mother is emotionally unavailable, she may choose to withdraw or withhold love from her daughter and give it to her other child. If the mother decides to ghost, she leaves and gives her daughter up to either her other biological parent or another guardian who can take care of her. The daughter usually doesn't receive an explanation or closure for why her mother left and usually grows up with an empty void. 6. Good mom, bad mom This is an erratic relationship between the mother and daughter. The daughter never knows whether the bad mom or good mom will show up. She often faces hot and cold treatment from her and fears her mom. The mother usually acts good when they are out in public and there are others around them. She displays kind behavior, smiles and pretends to care for her daughter. But when it's just the two of them, the mother will show her true colors and acts dismissive, neglectful and cold. In this relationship, the mother only wants to put up a good image when she has to and fails to connect with her daughter. Which type of unhealthy mother-daughter relationship do you resonate with? We know how hard it is to talk about toxic family dynamics and want to be a safe, non-judgmental place for you. Be sure to share your story with us down below. Also, don't forget to subscribe for more content from Psych2Go and check out our Patreon. Thanks for watching.


Even the grim stone structure on the Thames, which houses scarf and yard, is a warehouse of homicide.  A straight razor. It's a familiar object. A straight razor. Perhaps your father used one like this, minded. A straight, keen-edge bit of steel beautifully sharpened and strapped to remove a man's whiskers, or perhaps... The most efficient bit of Sheffield, isn't it, Sergeant? Yes, Inspector, for its original purpose, as well as the other. As a matter of fact, I use one exactly like it every morning. A grim sword, Sergeant. A very grim sword. Today, that razor can be seen in the Black Museum. In the annals of the Criminal Investigation Department of the London Police, we bring you the dramatic stories of the crimes recorded by the objects in Scotland Yard's gallery of death. The Black Museum. In just a moment, you will hear the Black Museum starring Orson Welles. Yes, funny stories. Ridiculous that this should be here. Perhaps not. A dying man turned down a page. That's one of a set of seven. They used to come in wooden cases, you remember? The seven straight keen blades marked one for each day of the week. And this one, while it was used by a good-looking fellow of about 40, who had a way with the ladies. And no matter where, at home, in a parlor, or even in a handsome cab.  I don't think it is proper you should talk to me like this, Mr. Wilson. After all, you are my employer. People, darling, my name is Larry. And what if you are my barbie in my establishment? If you're only to say yes, you shall be my wife. Mr. Wilson. Larry. Oh, you can't mean that.  Finally, he did want the likes of her. To all appearances, Larry Wilson had fallen head over heels in love with Mabel Dill. Now, listen to Larry for a moment. Mabel little one. You've got to marry me. I can't see you waiting on the customers drawing hay, working with me every day. I can't and not have you for my wife. An interesting accent, huh? Intriguing. Certainly to a susceptible young woman, that voice and that touch of accent was attractive. And one has been a sheltered girl in 1896, as Mabel was. Father, there's a letter from Mabel. Is there now? I should think it about time our daughter wrote to us. Oh, my goodness. Something wrong? Oh, yes and no. Ridiculous. I can no think be wrong, yes and no. Mabel's wanted to be married and to her employer. What? Oh, there it is in the letter and a note from him, too, telling her how much he loves her. Hmm. Won't worry well if he means it. How do we know? Oh, perhaps it would be best if we went to find out. Excellent, mother. Write to Mabel at once. Tell her she's to do nothing, absolutely nothing, until she's had the chance to talk with us. Simple people, the Dills, and eager to protect their daughter's future. So off they went, bag and baggage to the statue tavern. A pub, in fact, owned by Larry Wilson, where Mabel was tending bar. My word. It's a party, isn't it? Looks like a wedding party to me. Oh, must be there's a bride somewhere. Oh, there she is. It's Mabel. Yeah, now, Michael. What's the meaning of this? Oh, dad. Oh, dad. So happy your mother got here today. Oh, Mabel, Larry. Oh, didn't you get my letter? I hope there's no letter. Come along and meet my Larry. You'll be as happy with him as I will. Not much the Dills could do about it was there, Mr. and Mrs. Larry Wilson, proprietors of the statue public houses, the pub, and happy over it, too, both of them. Of course, things do happen sometimes in the most well-ordered homes. There we are, Mrs. Wilson. I'm sure you'll be all right. Oh, Doctor. I'm so sick. I can't keep anything in my stomach. Oh, oh, Doctor. She is so ill, Doctor Grant. What is it, do you think? Probably something she ate. This tonic will fix her up. The Welsh rabbit. That's what it was. Tasted a bit funny to me. I didn't finish it, remember, Mabel? Oh, I like rabbits, though. It's certainly right, I suppose, for being so greedy. Well, you've learned your lesson, little lady. From now on, more care. Fill the prescription, Wilson, and I'll look in on it again this evening. Right, Doctor. Mind now? Less indulgence. An upset stomach was all I think serious, except Mabel just didn't seem to get better. Mother, they all came to visit and decided to stay. I'm staying on, Larry. You've got your pub to tend to. I'll tend to, Mabel. Mother, dear, there's nothing to be alarmed about. I'm staying, and I'm asking Dr. Marshall to look at Mabel. Who's he? My family doctor. Known Mabel for 10 years. Are you suggesting, Mother, that I'm not providing properly for my wife or giving her the best of care? I'm not suggesting anything, Larry, except that you have to worry about so many things, and I have nothing to do but take care of my daughter. I cannot allow it. A man's first duty is to his wife. More, I'm properly qualified. I can take care of her far better than... Larry, I will not be put off. As for your qualifications, well, really, a barber is no doctor, even though some people permit barbers to bleed them. Are you trying to insult me and drive me away from my wife? The truth can be insulting, I suppose. However, from what Mr. Dillon and I know, your care of your first two wives didn't work out so well. What with both of them dead and buried these three years? There was no arguing with Mrs. Dillon. Her child was suffering and she intended to have her way, and she did. Dr. Marshall came in consultation with Dr. Grant. It puzzles me. It does really. You can see my position, Marshall. I've done everything the symptoms seem to call for. Nothing helps. Well, we'll see. Meanwhile, if we can get her to take some nourishment, the poor child's just wasting away. I know that... Of course, this was 1896, remember. There are no methods yet, such as a series of gastrointestinal tests or a basic metabolism test, or any other of the modern means to determine the cause of intestinal ailments. The doctors had to work by observation and an occasional chemical reaction. In the case of Mabel Dill Wilson, it was tragic indeed. Larry. He's downstairs, darling. Mother's here. I want Larry. It's Larry. I'll call him, dear. Larry! Will you leave the bar and come upstairs? Larry! Larry Wilson came upstairs and quickly, two at a time. He raced up the stairs and landed his wife's room. Is that you, Larry? Yes, sweetheart, it is. I waited for you, Larry. Mabel, darling. You took good care of her, Mother Dill. Excellent care, I must say. Your daughter, my wife, is dead. The child bride was dead, no doubt about it. The mother's tears were matched only by the husband's angry sorrow. He faced the two doctors. What did she die of, gentlemen? What? My diagnosis is exhaustion, following inflammation of the intestines. I do not know, as yet. You do not know. You do not know.  I take offense to your terms, Mr. Wilson. For your information, I have refused to approve the death certificate. What? Dr. Grant wishes to certify cause of death. I agree that his idea of inflammation of the intestines is probably correct. Then why on this? But I do not know, as yet, what caused the inflammation. When I do know, I should be glad to sign the certificate. Whatever caused the inflammation caused the death. How do you expect to determine this? By a first mortal, Mr. Wilson. I should do it myself, with Dr. Grant as a witness. I shall not... Ah, but you will permit it, Mr. Wilson. Because if you don't, I shall have to report the whole matter to the police. And the coroner. The stage is set. The actors are in their place and the drama has begun. And yet there is something missing. An item of evidence. Which was to provide the whole affair with, by far, its most horrifying aspect. It was a case of razors. Razors. Which can be seen today in the Black Museum. In just a moment, we will continue with the Black Museum starring Orson Welles. We continue with the Black Museum starring Orson Welles. Dr. Marshall's surgery. There they did what was considered necessary and made their analysis. Shortly after Dr. Marshall wrote out his report. And as a result of my analysis, it is my opinion that there is definite suspicion of our cynical poisoning. With that report and Dr. Grant's concurrence, there's nothing to be done but report the matter to the coroner. And to the police. How certain are you, Dr. Marshall, that there is a large quantity of arsenic in the body? As certain as I can be, Inspector, without being a specialist in criminal toxicology. Have you preserved the necessary items, Dr. Contents of the stomach and so on? I have. In sealed jars initialed by both Dr. Grant and myself. Very well. If you will deliver them to me, I will see to it that proper tests are made at once. In the meanwhile, it might be wise to have... In the meanwhile? Well, of course. There was only one thing to do. A certain pub owner had to be questioned. Mr. Wilson? Yes? My name's Baker, Sergeant Baker. My credentials. I see. How can I help you, Sergeant? If you come to the station with me, sir, Inspector Waters would like to have a chat with you. Larry Wilson went along unquietly. I had him wait a little while before the Inspector was ready to see him. Not long, just a little while. Inspector had a job to assign to the Sergeant first. I have a warrant, Baker. Take a squad. Go back to the statue and search it from top to bottom. Bring back anything which looks at all suspicious. Yes, sir. Quick as you can. All right, Mr. Wilson. Inspector Waters will see you now. Thank you, Sergeant. How do you do, Inspector? Sit down, Mr. Wilson. Make yourself comfortable. Two gentlemen facing each other in a quiet office. It might be a business deal. It might be a matter of life and death. Mr. Wilson, as you may know, we are in the position of having to investigate certain details of your wife's unfortunate and untimely death. I understand that, Inspector. Do you have any reason to suspect foul play? Of course not. Mabel was the sweetest, nicest, most gentle... And quite poor, wasn't she? I really couldn't say. I didn't check up on that. I was in love. Yes, yes, of course. In any case, she had no will and left no estate... Exactly.  You're very thorough, Inspector. What you tell me is quite true. Certainly very thorough. Very thorough indeed. Inspector knows a lot about you, Larry Wilson.  You moved over to the statue tavern after her death, didn't you? Yes, that's right. Couldn't abide the old place with bell passed on. You are sentimental, Mr. Wilson. He left the trade of barber after the other one. What was her name? Daisy was her name. Yes, I did leave the trade. May I ask when you came to this country, Mr. Wilson? In 1888. Why? Oh, routine check. We found a record of your past 14, 1890, for a trip to America. You came back within a year, and, of course, it had been noted that you were not born in the British Isles. That's right. And then your name is not Wilson, is it? I wasn't born Wilson. My father's name in the old country was Wilmets. I anglicized it. That's an interesting idea, Mr. Wilson. There was more, much more, two hours of it. When I about finished, the inspector had a detailed life history of Mr. Larry Wilson. Of course, there were a few open areas. 1889? Do you know, inspector, I have practically no memory of that year. I was learning my trade then, I guess. No time for the kind of events which make memories. And then there was 1891. I had to re-establish myself after I came back from the States. It took some time. It was in 92 I married Daisy. And stayed married to her until she died in 94. And then married Beville, who passed along in 95. And now it's 96. Well, we found one thing. Oh, excuse me. I didn't know you were still here, Mr. Wilson. That's perfectly all right, Sergeant. I was just about to go. What have you there, Sergeant? But those are mine. Yes, they are. I dare say the Sergeant found them in your bathroom. He's been busy with a search warrant, you see. Yes, I begin to see a lot of things, including the reasons behind my being kept here. Is my mother in law in on this? On the contrary, she knows nothing yet. Where did you find those reasons, Sergeant? Hidden, sir. Hidden in the bin on top of the spare bedroom closet, sir. Thank you, Sergeant. Very well expected. Are you on your way, Sergeant? Will you escort Mr. Wilson to his room? Of course. What's the idea? Are you arresting me? Not at all, Mr. Wilson. Not yet at any rate. We're detaining you temporarily on suspicion, sir. Suspicion of what? I'll let you know in 24 hours, Mr. Wilson. That's the limit the law allows. After that, of course, I shall have to prepare charges of some sort. But by then, the toxicologist will have reported. Won't he, Sergeant? The inspector was puzzled. Here was a possible case involving poison, and the suspect had hidden his razors, where only an unreasonably thorough search might turn them up. It didn't fit. The inspector filed a fact in the back of his mind. Turned to other things. The toxicologist's report is in, Sergeant. The girl was poisoned all right, but not with arsenic. Her body was full of antimony. We'd better charge Wilson or he'll be out of our clutches before we know it. So, they entered a charge against Larry Wilson. Larry Wilson, you are under arrest on a charge of willful murder. I must warn you, anything you say may... And then they proceeded to do a little more digging, both figuratively and literally. I want an exhumation order, Sergeant, for the bodies of the first and second Mrs. Wilson's. Of course they found it there, too. The laboratory reports, sir. Both the women were poisoned with antimony. They're calling Dr. Grant. Dr. Grant, you attended all three of Mr. Wilson's wives, did you not? Yes, I did. And you made out the death certificates in the first two instances. I did. And in both cases, you stated that the cause of death was exhaustion, following severe reaching brought on by intensive inflammation of the intestines. I did. But you didn't consider these facts at all suspicious. Why should I have? I've seen many such cases. Fatal cases? No, not fatal. However, with the symptoms in all the cases so remarkably alike, they were alike, weren't they? Definitely, almost definitely. Now that you mention it, Inspector, the whole thing does seem a trifle to coincidental, doesn't it? It was a matter of routine. Three women dared of the same poison. Three women all married of the same man, all treated by the same elderly doctor. They didn't seem to be much more necessary to be done, except to trace the poison to the thrice bereaved husband. The police canvassed all the drug stores, the chemist shops in the neighborhood, where Larry Wilson had owned his barbershop and his taverns. What can I do for you, sir? Good morning. My name is Baker, my credential. I see. C-I-D. We'd like to know if you've ever had a customer name of Wilson, Larry Wilson, one-time barber and tavern keeper. Oh, that Wilson, yes, of course, used to buy the supplies here. Did he? What, for instance? All brushes and comb, soaps as he needed them, and so on. Did he ever buy any strong antiseptics? Not that I remember. Any poison for hair dye or such? I think, yes, I think he once bought some tartarometics. Yes, I'm sure of that. I remember now. He told me he was experimenting with a new type of dandruff remover. He had the idea that, uh, antimony might work very well. Dandruff remover? Or a wife remover? This was up to a jury to decide. There was small doubt what a jury would decide when the chemist showed Sergeant Baker the poison book. I'm certain. Yes, here it is. Day and date, a mount. July the 5th, 1894. Tartarometic. Signed L. Wilson. Hmm, it's almost two years now. Have a pretty fair memory, haven't I, Sergeant? They had him. Bit by bit, piece by piece, the story was filled in. The saga of this man with a fascinating little accent, and the women he'd married. Daisy Alastair, five years older than Wilson, owner of a small dress shop, with 350 pounds saved painstakingly over the years. Belle Davis, owner of a flower shop, with 275 pounds to her credit in the merchant's back.  Three wives. Three deaths. The poison. But still the inspector was puzzled. And you said for me, Inspector? Yes. Sergeant, where did those raises you found fit into this pattern? The man was a barber, wasn't he? You do mean Wilson, don't you? Yes, yes. But why did he hide them? Says he was afraid somebody would cut him. Oh, and since there were no children. Sergeant, I may have hit on an angle. I sent over to criminal records for this file. Look at it. Hmm, I see, sir. The description of this man fits Wilson perfectly. Of course, this man was seen only once. But it's the identical coloring, height, weight, even a brief sound of his voice. It proves nothing, sir. I know, but there's more. The cases in this file began in 88. Wilson came to Whitechapel in 88. The cases stopped in 90 when Wilson went to America. But in that year, it's noted here, there were three identical cases in New Jersey. They stopped in 91 when Wilson came back here. As Dr. Grant would say, it's too remarkable a coincidence, Inspector. Would you, Sergeant, in this room and having seen this record and knowing about those razors, has it that Larry Wilson is Jack the Ripper? It has it, sir. I couldn't prove it. Neither could I, but I'm convinced all the same. Perhaps he... Ah, well, we've got him on other matters. We can hang him only once in any case. I'd handle that razor with cash. It's mighty sharp. The most efficient bit of Sheffield, isn't it, Sergeant? Yes, Inspector, for its original purpose, as well as the other. Matter of fact, I use one exact to like it every morning. A grim thought, Sergeant. A very grim thought. We shall never know the full story. But most people would agree with the Inspector. There was more than a reasonable chance that justice had finally caught up with Jack the Ripper. Certainly, that case of razors deserves its place of honor. In the Black Museum. Orson Welles will be back with you in just a moment. One person is Orson Welles. They were sure that they never proved it. Larry Wilson was hanged for the death of poor little Mabel Dill, legally and technically, and for the deaths of his other two wives as well. There's no question. The jury deliberated exactly ten minutes. But the additional fact remains that never again, from the date of Wilson's arrest, was there a murder in the technique of Jack the Ripper. Not in London. Not in America. His terrible signature never appeared again on the body of any murdered woman. In the case of razors remains in its customary place. In Scotland unit. And now, until we meet next time, until we meet in the same place, and I tell you another story about the Black Museum. Our remain is always obediently yours. Museum starring Orson Welles is presented by arrangement with Metro-Goldwyn-Mare radio attractions. The program is written by Aura Mariam with original music composed and conducted by Sidney Torch. Produced by Harry Allen Towers.