I just came up and said, I want a better quarter on Duke versus Furman. I guess I live in T.S. I'm not even sure. I said, yeah. Take it. Yeah, Michael. Michael's back. It's Michael. Good evening, Mr. Mayer. You doing it, John? Life is good. Getting better. Every day. For me? Just missed my family there in Florida. I get to go down until Wednesday. He's figured out that it could have stick these two meetings and got this. He's figured out that it's not Julian. Not Julian. That sometimes takes people years to get enough. He's looking up. The event folks. How are you? Mr. Mayer. Oh, it was these ten kids who were there. Oh, that's okay. I saw my friend PCWood did not get a nomination. Well, good. Good evening. We'd like to call the Durham City Council meeting to order at 7 o'clock p.m. on Monday, the 20th of November. And certainly want to walk all of you that are here with us this evening. If we just take a moment for a solid meditation, please. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayer. We are privileged to have with us to lead us in the recitation of the pledge of allegiance. Troop 405 and they are affiliated with St. Matthew's Catholic Church here in Durham. You'll turn it over to them. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. I ask the clerk to call the roll please. Mayor Bell. Present. Mayor Pro Tem Cole McFadden. Present. Council Member Davis. Yeah. Council Member Johnson. Here. Council Member Moffitt. Here. Council Member Reese. Here. And Council Member Shull. We have two ceremonial items to present tonight. The first is the neighborhood spotlight ward and I would ask Ms. Joni Homer, and you got to make me pronounce your name correctly when you come up and certainly any bird neighbors or friends that want to join us. You have any neighbors or friends here? It's okay. That's okay. As most of you know, the neighborhood spotlight award is awarded monthly and it's an award that's presented by the neighborhood improvement services department and it recognizes individuals who have done outstanding work in their communities and those individuals are chosen by members of their community. So tonight, Joni is the recipient of the neighborhood spotlight for the month of 2017. And she's resident of Lansbury, Waterbury neighborhood and she was nominated and selected because of the wonderful work she's done in her neighborhood and that includes was not limited to organizing fun, welcoming neighborhood events such as National Night Out, promoting communications in the neighborhood by maintaining the listserv and passing out flyers and supporting volunteers and gathering resources for the neighborhood sanitary park trail improvement. I want to congratulate Joni for this recognition and the award reads neighborhood spotlight award. This certificate is awarded to Joni, Lansbury, Waterbury neighborhood for organizing fun, welcoming neighborhood events such as National Night Out, promoting communications in the neighborhood by maintaining the listserv and passing out flyers, supporting volunteers and gathering resources for the neighborhood sanitary park trail improvements and assigned by the city manager myself and I'd like to present this to Joni and for any comments that you might have. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you for all your years of wonderful service. We appreciate that. I just wanted to say that I live in a very diverse neighborhood. Many different religions, race, ethnicities, political party affiliation and so on and just increasing the communication, getting everyone knows each other in my neighborhood. We've come to really respect each other and even care for each other. So thank you for recognizing that, you know, just even the communication is very important. I appreciate it and thanks to my neighbors who show up at these events because without them, I mean, that's the neighborhood I dreamed to live in. So thank you. The next award is to recognize a member of the country Music Hall of Fame and when I was looking at the AMA American Music Awards last night it sort of reminded me of what I'll be doing this evening. I'm going to ask Brady Schlitz, if you would join me if you don't mind. Now this isn't for Brady, this is for his brother Don. This is for my brother Don, okay. This is honoring Donald Alling, Don Schlitz Jr., who's a member of the Country Music Hall of Fame. Whereas Don Schlitz Jr. is a Durham native son of former Durham Police Captain Don Schlitz Jr., and Betty Schlitz, good fellow. He attended Durham Public Schools graduating from Durham High in 1970 and then attending Duke University before moving to Nashville, Tennessee in 1973 to pursue a songwriting career. Whereas in 1978 his first recorded song, The Gambler, performed by singer Kenny Rogers, reached number one on the country music charts and was followed by 24 other number one songs and many others in the top 10. He also composed the music and lyrics for the Broadway musical The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. Whereas he is the winner of many awards for his songs, which among them are the 1979 Country Music Association and Grammy Song of the Year, The Gambler. In 1986, the Country Music Association, Academy of Country Music Association and Natural Songwriters Association, Song of the Year on the other hand. In 1987, the Country Music Association, Song of the Year, Forever and Ever, Amen. In 1988, Grammy, Country Song of the Year, Forever and Ever, Amen. In 1988 through 1991, ASCAP Country Songwriter of the Year, Four consecutive years and 2010 inducted into the North Carolina Music Hall of Fame and in 2012 inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in New York City. Whereas on October 22nd, 2017, Don Schlitz, Jr. was formally inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame joining other famous country music icons. He is described as being among the most influential and beloved songwriters in the history of country music. Whereas with all his accomplishments and fame, he finds the time to give back to the community by donating his time and talent and giving weekly performances to some of Nashville's homeless population as part of Room in the End, a non-profit organization providing shelter, counseling and educational programs for the homeless. He considers this opportunity to be a small part of something that's bigger than all of us. Another, for I, William V. Belville, Mayor of the City of Durham, North Carolina, do hereby recognize and honor Don Schlitz, Jr. for his humanitarian efforts with the homeless and for his outstanding achievements and contributions to country music and so recognized by his induction into the Country Music Hall of Fame during the wars of the prestigious Hall of Fame, Ron Tender and hereby urge all citizens to recognize Don Schlitz, Jr. for his talents and to take special note of this observance and witness on hand and corporate associate of Durham, North Carolina, this is the 20th of November, 2017. Before I give this to Brady, I also want to recognize, I know he's not here, Chief Fletcher. He was really the one that brought this to our attention and I have to confess it was sort of belated that a person of this fame had not received recognition any earlier but it's never too late to correct your mistakes and tonight we're certainly doing that and I'm going to present this to his brother, family and comrades that he might have. I'd just like to thank the city number one for recognizing my brother. He couldn't be here tonight. He's got other arrangements that he's out on the road doing different things. However, he always takes a chance. Anytime he talks about anything, he's from Durham. My sister, Kathy lives in Durham. I do not live in Durham anymore, but I do work in Durham. But anytime that we can, we are proud of Durham. We're proud of our parents that were born and raised and they weren't here, but they were worked here all their lives. But thank you so much for recognizing my brother. I'd like to recognize any council persons for the comments. Recognize. I'll go with Mayor Pro Temman and Steve. On Thursday, I received on behalf of the city of Durham, the 2017 Winter Digital Cities Survey. And we came in second place for cities of 250,000 to 499,999 population categories. So I present this to our city manager. Congratulations. And it was an honor to have you. If I could, Mr. Mayor, I do want to thank the Mayor Pro Tem for representing us at the National League of Cities meeting where this award was presented. I suppose you could say it was a step down since last year we won first place, but I'm still proud that first and second place year after year is something that the staff has worked very hard, not just carry good in the Technology Solutions Department staff, but all of the city employees who really are looking at every opportunity to improve our communications and transparency through the use of technology. And certainly, winning the second place in this large category population is nothing to be ashamed of. Thank you. You're welcome. And we're very proud of all the staff who worked hard to earn this recognition. Recognize. Councilman Shul and Mary-Lick Shul. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Mayor, this is the last full meeting for several of our colleagues. And I just had a few words that I wanted to offer about our colleagues who are departing from the council. All of whom, all four of whom have rendered remarkable service to our city on this council and before arriving on this council. Mr. Mayor, I'll start with you.  So I only have one small thing that I want to add to that tonight. When Howard University asked me to speak about you on film for their alumni awards not long ago, I'd said something that I'm going to repeat now. If they had a Mount Rushmore for Durrell, I'm not sure who the other three people would be on it, but I know that Bill Bell would be one of those people. You'd be the only one. For 44 years in elective office, you've been more responsible than any other single individual for the successors of our community. And I'm so grateful to have had the opportunity to serve with you, Mr. Mayor, for the past six years. And looking forward a lot to your advice and council over the next couple of years. So I'll be calling on you a lot. I also want to say to our Mayor Pro Tem, Cora Cole McFadden, I want to thank you for many things, particularly for I think being Durham's greatest ambassador as witnessed by the just the presentation that we just saw. You've served the city in so many ways. Madam Mayor Pro Tem, I've always especially admired your strong, steady, vocal and active commitment to diversity and racial justice and your unwavering dedication to Durham's young people. You don't just talk about what we ought to be doing for our young people.  You walk the walk. Finally though, I think it's in your role as Durham's ambassador that in my mind you've made your greatest mark as the person who above anyone I can think of promotes the greatness of our city to everyone who will listen and some who won't.  I have two grand dogs. Two grand dogs now, that's right. To my wonderful colleague, Don Moffitt, you have bought a standard of hard work, attention to detail, constituent service and intellectual firepower that is unmatched and you have combined that with a strong progressive record on every issue from housing to racial equity to policing. It's hard for me to see how we're going to be able to replace those qualities on the council. They're vital qualities for the success of city government and for our community. What stands out for me, Don, in your years on the council above all, is the questions you ask. The hard ones, the challenging ones, the ones that have made all of us look at issues in a new way that have the ones that have made the work of the staff and of this council better. You dig into the details into the numbers and here comes the new way to look at things, the excellent questions and always ask in the spirit of respect and support for the work of the people on our staff. For your daunting work ethic, you're a search for justice and you're never ending pursuit of the best policies and practices this community owes you a great debt of gratitude and you will be sorely missed. And to our junior departing member, Eddie Davis, you have rendered extraordinary service to Durham as a beloved high school teacher, city council member and community historian. Walking the streets of Durham with you means stopping every couple of blocks so one of your former students can give you a hug or a high five. You have distinguished yourself on the city council for your fervent attention to diversity and equality, your willingness to stand alone on hard issues, your unwavering commitment to speak up when the truth needs to be heard and your role as Durham's community historian. With Durham about to reach its 150th birthday, I know there would be many more opportunities for you to help lead our citywide celebrations of that milestone and I look forward to that very much. So again, I want to thank all of my departing colleagues for their extraordinary service. Enjoy your Monday nights away from this hallowed chamber and Godspeed. Thank you. Can I respond to Steve? I don't plan to stop coming to city hall. I am going to be watching you. We'll do our best. Each of the new people I will watch. We'll do our best by the way. Yeah, I will be watching you. Every should I ain't sleeping, every goodbye ain't gone. That's the old school. Mr. P. T. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I didn't know that Dr. Mayor-elect council member Shul was going to speak about our departing colleagues. I will forgo what I plan to say and just say this that in my 713 days as a member of this body, every time that I've come to a meeting, whether it's a city council meeting here in this chamber or work session upstairs, I've been very, very fortunate to have the benefit of the wisdom of the folks that are going to be leaving the council on Monday nights. I'm really, really lucky to sit between two real Durham treasures and I have learned at their feet for the last two years so much about the history of our city, so much about how to disagree without being disagreeable and about how the work that we do affects the lives of real people. And I learned those lessons on Thursday afternoons too, but I think council member Moffat and I have a rich ongoing dialogue during our work sessions where each of us tries to keep the other on task and on point and I really appreciate that dialogue and I hope that won't end. And Mr. Mayor, I'll just say to you personally, I have felt so lucky and so blessed to have served with you for the last two years. The sum total of what you've done for our city can't, I don't think officially or effectively be measured today, but I will just say that it's been one of the privileges of my public life to have served with you and look forward to us seeing what's next for you as you continue to be a part of our community. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Well, I'll just say for the night, I appreciate great remarks, both by Mayor Lex East Shield and Councilman Charlie Reese. And I said over and over again, I feel comfortable that the city is in a good place and being a better place when you guys have an opportunity to begin governing and look forward to that. Are there other comments? If not, I recognize City Manager for any prior items. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, everyone. No priority items from the City Manager's office. Likewise, City Attorney. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. No priority items. And likewise, the City Clerk. No items, Mr. Mayor. We'll proceed with the agenda as printed. And first section are the consent agenda items, which can be approved with a single vote. If a council member or member of the public removes an item, we'll discuss that later in the agenda. I'll call the heading of each one of the items. Item one is approval of City Council Minutes. Item two is Citizens Advisory Committee Appointments. Item three is the Durham Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Commission Appointment. Item four is the 2018 City Council Meeting Schedule. Item five is the ordinance to change the fixed route and paratransit fee schedule. Item six is the Roof Repair and Placement, the various department of ward and management sites, the ward of construction to try at Roof and Company Hink wants to sell in North Carolina. Item seven is Parkwood Area Lift Station Consolidation Project Contract Award to Brown and Codwell. Item eight is AT&T North Carolina Emergency Telephone System Contract. Item nine is the Corporative Purchase Group for three Replacement Automated Refuge Trucks. Item 10 is the State Contract Purchase for Replacement Dump Trucks. Item 11 is Corporative Purchase Group for two Rear Loading Refuge Collection Vehicles. Item 12 is an amendment to professional services contract with Kimley Horn and Associates Inc. with accessibility improvements at Valley Springs Park and West Point on Eno Project. Item 13 is the Street and Infrastructure Acceptances. Item 14 is the Supplemental Agreement for the North Carolina Department of Transportation University Drive sidewalk project 500-30.3.1-EB-5514. Item 15 is the Waste Cards Recycling Cards. Cards, parts, and related products and services agreement were recreated by the Pacific Company. Item 20 is an item that can be found on the General Business Agenda. Item 21 through 26 are also items that can be found on the General Business Agenda as public hearings. Item 28 is the Durham City County Appearance Commission Appointment. Item 29 is proposed City of Durham logo update. Entertain a motion for the approval of consent agenda item. Second. I'll have to pull 29, which is the logo. It's been properly moved. Second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes 7-0. Again, item 29 was pulled out of the proposed City of Durham logo update. We'll discuss that later on the agenda. On the General Business Agenda, item 20, 2017 30th Quarter Crown Report Presentation. Chief, before you begin, could someone close that back door, please? Good evening. Good evening. Again, I'm here tonight to present the Police Department's 2017 3rd Quarter Report, which covers the first nine months of the year. The Quarter Report covers our Department's six performance measures, violent crime, property crime, Part 1 index crime, clearance rates, response times, to priority one calls, and staffing levels. The accompanying summary that you already have includes additional statistics, amp community activities, and other significant events during the quarter. Part 1 index crime was up 5% during the first nine months of 2017 compared to the same period last year. This has been driven primarily by increases in larcenies and robberies, which make up more than half of our Part 1 crimes. Actually, larcenies make up 57%. Like these are also attributed to thefts from autos. There were decreases in three out of seven Part 1 crime categories, homicides, aggravated assaults, and burglaries. As you can see, this slide shows a weekly comparison of Part 1 violent crime and property crime for 2017 compared to the same period in 2016. And of course, the spike occurred at the beginning of the year, and then we began to implement various types of details and other strategies, and we just have been at a plateau over the last several months. The slides also show the statistics through October 28th, which is the end of the quarter. Part 1 violent crime was up by 4% at the end of September 2017 compared to the first nine months of 2016. The number of homicides and aggravated assaults decreased. Both are at three year lows. Reported rapes and robberies were up during the first nine months of the year. We formed a robbery task force, as you know, one year ago, approximately a year ago this month to focus on the increase in robberies, especially consistent reoccurrences of robberies, particularly commercial robberies and those committed with firearms. The unit, the robbery task force unit, have made numerous arrests, total of 112 since their inception, and each investigator has cleared multiple cases. Although rapes are up, there's no indication based on the suspect and victimology data that we have any type of serial issue. Many of these instances were by acquaintances. There have been several belated sexual assaults reported and several involving family members as well. There were 20 homicides by the end of the third quarter. Three have been ruled as self defense and there are five open cases. One case involved domestic violence. There have been 24 homicides year to date and there are a total of six open cases. The number of robberies year to date has increased, but investigators made several arrests, as I mentioned, during the third quarter, specifically during the third quarter. Many of these arrests cleared multiple business robberies, as you can see in the accompanying summary that you have. Our specialized robbery unit was formed, as I said, several months ago and they have handled more than 700 cases today. They focus on commercial robberies and robberies with firearms. In the past year, we have collaborated on 26 robbery cases with our federal partners, the ATF. Five of those suspects have been sentenced to federal time and eight cases are still under active investigation. In 13 cases, we're waiting for sentencing, trial pleas or psychological evaluation as well. The number of aggravated assault victims through UCR counts by victims dropped slightly during the first nine months of the year. And just to clarify a little bit about some of the aggravated assaults, the number of multiple victim firearms incidents have dropped, but the number of victims is up slightly. This is due primarily to two incidents with a significant number totaling 28 people. Two incidents that total 28 people. Two of those 28 victims were shot. The two incidents, July 6th, 800 block of Andrew Avenue, that incident had 18 victims. Two were injured in that particular incident. On August 25th, in the 200 block of Southwood Crest Street, there were 10 victims. Both cases are still open. There were no injuries in that second incident. Part one, property crime. Part one, property crime is up by 6% with an increase in larcenies and motor vehicle thefts. Larcenies made up more than 57% of all part one crime during the first nine months of 2017. Burglaries are continuing a downward trend in which we've seen in the last few years, actually last three years, and they are at a three year low. A large percentage of our larcenies, 44%, are due to motor vehicles and larcenies of vehicle parts. In the next couple of weeks, the department plans to implement what we're calling a clean car campaign, especially during the holidays. As a crime prevention initiative, we hope that this will encourage people to leave the insides of their vehicles clean as they shop, as they're about, out and about, and just on a normal work day, not to leave laptops out, cell phones on their seats, and even cell phone chargers in open and plain view to try to encourage people to leave the interior of their car where it's not a target rich type of environment. We continue to urge people to dial 911 to report suspicious activities in their communities. These calls are often very helpful to our officers in making arrests of individuals in neighborhoods where we have had high instances of burglaries, especially property crimes. We've made several burglaries arrests as a result of citizens assisting us with very vital information and being the ears and eyes of their community and their willingness to get involved. Clarence rates for homicide rate in all part when property crimes were above the FBI national average clearance rates for cities our size. And for your information, this year, the city of Durham Police Department has moved into a different category. We now fall within the 250,000 to approximately 500,000 population group according to the FBI reporting standards. This year, due to patrol staffing shortages, we have pooled investigators to do one week shifts on patrol to help augment our staffing. This may have had an effect on our clearance rates and our workloads as well. Our annual goal, we haven't reached it, but we still have another quarter, so we're going to be working very hard to reach the 50% for our violent crimes and property crimes at 23% clearance rates. Homicide clearance rates are actually the highest that they've been, I know, in the last couple of years since I've been here. So our 2016 statistics are not included in the FBI numbers due to an OSSI data problem. They plan to provide that information to us at a later date. It wasn't an issue for the Police Department. Some computer and data inputting problems occurred with the system. It did not just the city of Durham, but other cities as well experienced that problem. There were 7,016 priority one calls for service from January 1, 2017 through September 30, 2017. This is a 2% increase over the same period in 2016. Even though we didn't meet our target responding to 57% of our priority one calls at under five minutes, 52.41% were under five minutes, which is better than the same period in 2016. Our goal is 5.8 minutes average response time. That's our target. The average response time was 6.12 minutes, which is better than the same period in 2016. We are currently working with the IACP who will be studying the area to conduct a beat realignment study and also a scheduling study as well. Response times have improved in the past year and we use supplemental patrols and DPD investigators to help make sure that our staffing levels are where they need to be. I think I've actually seen on the watch reports a couple of times where it was actually 100% staff and something I hadn't seen in a while. So we're glad to see that. And these officers are all, they picked out a week that they wanted to work through the year and all of our investigators actually went out on patrol for that week and that program is still continuing. It's had a positive impact on staffing and I think it has also had a positive impact on the morale of the other officers out on the street. An analysis has showed that two of our districts, district three and district four are the drivers of the longer response time numbers. So those two districts are driving the total response time goals. And I think that beat realignment study may help us to make some adjustments and kind of balance some things out. The remaining districts have been well within our target numbers. Staffing levels. At the close of the quarter, sworn staffing was at 93%. Our BLAT number 45 class and our ALET number six class graduated in July 16. DPD recruits graduated from the BLAT class and six recruits graduated from the ALET class which is the first ALET class that the department has held since 2011. The BLAT number 46 started on August 7th and we currently have 27 recruits remaining in that class. Our next BLAT class is scheduled to start in February. Our goal is to hire 15 recruits in the next couple of weeks as early hires. And in this next coming academy, this will help us from missing, hiring opportunities of individuals or qualified applicants who could potentially go to other agencies. The number of recruit applicants has increased over 2016 numbers. There were 252 applicants in all of 2016 and we've had 269 applicants so far this year with two testing dates remaining in the fourth quarter of the year. We have recently filled several non swarm positions and staffing is better than it was during the second quarter of 2017 even for our civilian positions. 35 take home marked patrol vehicles were ordered as part of the 2016-17 program and have been distributed to patrol officers who live in the city. 34 take home cars in the 2017-18 budget are in the ordering process now. We expect to begin distributing those vehicles in the spring of 2018. The department's sworn officers took a mandatory eight hour mental health first aid for public safety course. This training was held during the third quarter as part of the department's comprehensive approach to mental health awareness. The class is designed for law enforcement agencies and provides a general awareness of mental health issues. The class provided information and skills to support citizens in a mental health crisis or persons developing a mental health problem. The IACP plans to recognize the Durham Police Department for our efforts in this particular area and for achieving a goal of 100% officers trained. We're in the early stages of forming our community engagement unit that will be the public housing unit which will focus on public housing communities. We've recently identified the actual location in the McDougalteras area and we are currently upfitting that particular office space so that the officers will have computers and all of the resources that they need. I recently met with various community leaders in that community just to gauge to see what it was that they hoped to see in our presence in the community. It was a very robust and exciting conversation along with the Durham Housing Authority Director and his staff as well. So we're looking at sort of a reception open house right before Christmas so that we can introduce the initial officers to the community there. Our body-worn camera program has been completed and well actually deployment has been completed and this slide provides a little bit of information about the deployment. All sworn officers from rank of captain and below are equipped with cameras and have undergone training. A total of 470 cameras have been deployed as of this day. Last Friday, November 17th, we had more than 117,000 videos from our cameras. During October, the first full month of department-wide deployment, there were 22,400 videos downloaded. The average length of videos from October was 10 minutes and 21 seconds. Right now, we're also partnering with a couple of students at NCCU to help to actually do a community survey. Dr. Brown is working, Dr. Robert Brown is also working with me on conducting this community survey about body-worn cameras. We're also planning to conduct an internal survey of our officers as it relates to the cameras as well. Our supervisors regularly audit our officers according to the policy, the same as they do with our dash cam video as well. There have been currently six incidents that are currently in internal affairs as it relates to the use of the body camera. Approximately 25% of our body-worn cameras have had various issues, technical issues. However, the company has been very responsive in making sure that we have replacements and making sure that there are replacement cameras in stock as well. The new generation camera will be implemented at no cost to the city as they upgrade that technology. And we're looking forward to that because it's going to eliminate some of the issues that we've had in this current model. It has a lot to do with the buffering element that we wanted on this camera which provides 30 seconds of pre-buffering for the camera before the officer actually turns the camera on. We felt like that was really a critical component to be able to see what occurred prior to the officer turning this camera on. But that feature drains the battery down because it requires sort of a low charge on a regular basis. So some of the highlights are Go Global Initiative. I'll talk a little bit about that national night out in the Citizens Police Academy. Our Go Global Initiative during the month of September, Captain's Addison Edwards, Lieutenant Mark Moray and Melissa Bishop attended a week-long Go Global North Carolina Initiative specifically designed for law enforcement. Approximately 22 individuals attended this initiative as well. And its intent is to design to improve relationships between law enforcement and Latino immigrant communities. So the officers wrote with Mexican officers, met families that were living in very distressed types of situations and learn much about the history and the culture. Already these officers have met with El Centro and Pilar and are working on a proposal so that we can have comprehensive education and forums for our immigrant community so that we can build and establish better relationships. National night out events were held in more than 100 communities. On August 1st, officers attended events throughout the city and met hundreds of residents. Our Citizens Police Academy, 22 people graduated from the six-week Citizens Police Academy on October 5th. These participants attended classes twice a week as part of this free learning experience for them. They learned about all aspects of police work by attending classes, participating in ride-alongs and in various types of hands-on exercises. We believe this is a valuable tool to improve our relationship with the community through education and transparency and so that our officers can also learn about community concerns as well. So one of the more recent initiatives is that we're working to reestablish a faith-based initiative so that faith groups can work in partnership with the Durham Police Department and our neighborhoods and community. Several local ministers from various denominations are interested in this endeavor. We've already had some initial meetings. Our yearly Citizens Police Academy has been so successful that we plan to expand it by creating pop-up Citizen Police Academies so that we can have environments outside of the Durham Police Department in communities and PAC groups and various churches and congregations, recreation centers and so on to provide this same type of educational experience in more of a mobile kind of atmosphere. We're excited about again participating in the Durham Holiday Parade, which is coming up. We plan to sort of highlight community partnerships this year. We feature residents from the Durham Housing Authority and members of our Police Athletic League. PAL programs include basketball, soccer, baseball and golf. We are hoping to soon add a boxing program. We're working to expand the interest in our Blue Benevolence Program which also funds various programs in the Durham Police Department such as our Mental Health Outreach, our Police Explorers, our Victims Assistance, Citizens Police Academy and much more. And that concludes my report. Questions? Well, thank you Chief. Very informative and I'm going to defer to any questions first from any of the council members. Yeah, Mayor Pro Tem, Councilor Schuhl and Councilwoman Johnson in that order. I don't have a question. Initially, I just want to thank you for all the work that you're doing. As I move throughout the community, all that I hear from law abiding citizens are very good comments about the strides that the Police Department are making. So I really appreciate that. I do have, I think it's important to note to the public that the people in the MAC actually came to work session to ask you to enhance the presence of the police of law enforcement in Magadouga Terrace. So I don't want people to think that we just push law enforcement. They came and asked because they wanted it to happen. I wanted to find out though, did you get support for your mental health training from the county, mental health folk at all? Actually what we did was we had several individuals in the Durham Police Department that are part of the crisis intervention team that are actually certified to train. We sent them to training. So a cadre of approximately four or five trainers, four trainers trained the entire police department. It was very good training and it was actually much longer than the average hour of training that you typically get. But I think officers really benefited from it. It was no cost to the department to do that. And let me thank you for the police department's response to concerns in Northern Durham. Officer Brown, Captain Brown? Yes. Captain? Yes, Captain. Captain April Brown does an outstanding job. So I have only very positive comments about you. By the way, I saw Councilwoman Shepherd in Charlotte. She sends her regards. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Councilmember. I recognize Councilma Shul followed by Councilwoman Johnson. Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Chief. Always a good report. Thank you so much. Thank you. I wanted to just follow up a little bit about the mental health training that was done. So this mental health training is different than CIT training. Is it less? Is it more? It's actually more. More. My experience with it was that it gives the officers more information about how they can potentially misunderstand a person's mental or physical condition. It didn't really just go into mental disabilities, but it also talked about substance abuse as well, which impacts a person's mental state of mind. Several videos are shown on how to best deal with different types of situations. And I found it was very, very helpful training. And I know that the officers, we only had positive responses from it, too. Right. Would you say that? It's an eight-hour course. Eight-hour course. And would you say, again, how many officers have been trained in it? The entire police department, however many we had. It was mandatory. I made it mandatory for them all to attend. So that would be approximately, with the exception of those individuals that were on light duty, which is not a significant number, approximately 535 officers. And I want to ask a question also about just one thing I want to clarify because I think people listening might not understand this. When you talk about 18 victims of an aggravated assault, those are 18 people who were in the house, say, when the shots were fired. Absolutely. So when you have an incident of aggravated assault, we could be in this room and someone were to fire a weapon in this room. Everyone in the room who potentially could be struck would be considered a victim of aggravated. And that counts part of our crime numbers. So when we have large incidents like that, it really pushes those numbers in the wrong direction. Sure. I just want people to be clear who are listening and may not understand that when we say 18 victims, that doesn't mean 18 people were hit with the bullet. That's right. It means they were there. They were there. The, could you talk a little bit about the, you said there are six, I believe you said six incidents in internal affairs related to the body cameras. Could you talk about, is that, can you talk a little bit more about what they are? What other, what kinds of things are they? Just at a high level, sort of, they're more about whether the camera's on when it needed to be on. Some of those instances were discovered during the investigation of some other type of complaint. Or it could have even been a situation where it was an officer who responded to a call to support someone else and forgot to turn his body camera. He wasn't the primary officer. But when you respond to the call, you're supposed to turn your body camera on as well. Thank you. The, I wanted to turn just to the larger report for a minute. On page four, it talks about youth arrests, 43 drug violations year to date. I wonder, could you, juvenile petition and adult charges, do you see what I'm referring to their chief? It's on page four. Mars, you're going to help me with that one. Yeah, my question really is, so in those 43 drug violations for youth, what typically happens? What would be the potential disposition of those cases? Most likely dispositions. Yes, ma'am. Good evening, mayor. Mayor Pro Tem, members of council. Mr. Bonfield, Anthony Marsh, deputy chief. So the potential dispositions would vary, depending upon the severity of the charge or if there were accompanying charges to go along with that or what the person's criminal history might be. Okay. So I could not give you. I understand. I suppose Chief Marsh, first of all, Chief Marsh, good to see you. Yes, sir, always a pleasure. Could you say what might typically happen in one of these cases if someone did not have a prior criminal record or was not accompanying charges?  Well, if it fit, not to cut you off, sir. Go ahead. If it fits the criteria for our misdemeanor diversion program, that person should be diverted. Right. And we generally, not generally, we have a very good working relationship with CGRC and if one or two slip through the cracks, they're very good about notifying us like, hey, this person looks like they should have been diverted. Can you tell us what happened? And we'll follow up with the officer and find out what went into the decision-making process in that particular case. That is not very common. You catch a juvenile with, I'll say, a felony amount of whatever particular substance. That's a different discussion and that goes into the court system. And then, but then again, still, and not to speak for the court system, but there are other avenues to redirect interventions for young people who are first timers in the court system. And of course, now we're going to have the new 18-year-old age of juvenile age. So that'll be another change. Of the 43 and I don't, I don't, you know, what might, of 43 typical youth arrests for drug violations, how many of those might typically be referred to the Mr. Menor Diversion Court? I honestly would not be, I wouldn't want to give you a speculative answer on that because they really looked at on a case-by-case basis for the officer. And that's with the police department. And again, you know, I can't speak for what goes on with the sheriff's department. And there's, I think there's some information here we have some stuff on the Mr. Menor Diversion Court that we have in here, but I was just trying to make some sort of connection between what we're seeing in these youthful drug arrests and the numbers I saw on the Mr. Menor Diversion Court. It wasn't clear what the connection was. So, and Council Member, we can always take these 43 cases. Take a deep dive into it for you. And take a look at it and provide that information for you. I don't, I'm not asking for a lot of extra work. If there was something that was easily available, I would love to see it. I'm not asking for a lot of extra work, but if there is something that you do have, it would be easy, I'd love to see it. Yeah, that's easy to do. Right. Thank you. Thank you, Chief Marsh. And then the, I noticed also on page five that drug violations are down about half from two years ago, about 430 fewer. And I think that this is, these are minor drug violations, which we are, this is part two crime. Yeah. That I think I'm glad that we're not criminalizing these small acts and appreciate the work of the department and the priorities that you have on violent crime, which is what I think we ought to be concentrating on. Absolutely. Then I saw, and also that the driving while impaired was down from 344 to 223. And so I was wondering about why this might be, is it have to do with not conducting checkpoints? Is it, is there something else that's going on in terms of enforcement for people who are driving while impaired? It could be a combination of things, councilman, could be certainly a lot of things are impacted by staffing. Yes. A lot of things are impacted by call volume. But I would really kind of drill down into, that we're back on staffing for the most point. Okay. And then just finally, again, at the end of the year I'd love to see an annual summary for the misdemeanor diversion court. I think you typically give us that. I think last year we got that, didn't we? Yes, sir. Yeah. And then the, finally you all just, the recounted more instances that I could mention here, the great police work, just pages and pages that were in the report of excellence by our police officers are very courageous and thorough and humane. And I just thought that it's, it's always instructive to read those and very much appreciate it. So thank you very much. Appreciate it, chief. Thank you so much. Thank you, sir. I recognize councilwoman Johnson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you, chief, for your report. I've had a couple of questions. I wondered if you have a sense or an idea of what's driving the increase in reported rapes. I feel like it's very unlikely that we're actually having an increase in rapes, but rather an increase in reporting is what's responsible for that. Do you have a sense of what's causing that spike? Well, you know, I had that conversation with someone earlier this week or last week. And I don't know that is the climate that we have more individuals that are feeling comfortable with the outcry of what occurred with them in a sexual offense. And we are, even in relationships where these are known individuals, people are being more educated about what their rights are in personal relationships too. So that might be a contributing factor as well. We have looked at them very closely because we want to make sure that we don't have any type of systemic issue. Right. And our local rape crisis center, y'all have a relationship with them, I'm sure, to help people get resources. Oh, absolutely. And we always pair our, we have internal referrals too, but we always pair victims up with our crisis intervention folk to follow up to make sure that they get the assistance and feel confident about the reporting process. Great. Thank you. And I'm not sure if we talked about this the last time you were here about data related to the body camera rollout. The kind of our two goals or primary goals in rolling out the body cameras was I hope that it would reduce both complaints against officers and use of force by officers. I was wondering if y'all have a plan for how to study and measure that as the cameras get rolled out and as we have more data on it? Well, we are keeping track of our use of force complaints and our citizen complaints as well. And I could have brought that. We actually have some updated information as it relates to our use of force complaints and our citizen complaints. Both categories are down considerably. And I'd be glad to provide that information to you. Our internal affairs office commander there puts out a monthly report on use of force complaints and also citizen complaints, citizen counters. That'd be great. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I defer to Councilman Reese. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Hi, Chief. How's it going? Good, sir. I wanted to pick up Councilmember Shwell mentioned that there were too many stories in the report to mention. But I feel compelled to talk about two of them. An investigator in the criminal investigations unit, I believe this was in August, encountered a family mother-daughter and a service dog who had just come here from New York City and needed a place to stay. This investigator worked a local motel to get a discount for the family paid out of the investigator's own pocket to stay at a hotel for a night, connected them with a faith community here in Durham to give them some help. Continued to work with the family was able to help them find a more permanent living situation. Got the daughter enrolled in school, bought school supplies for the daughter, helped them get some food. That's the kind of officer we need to lift up in this community and I just want to say I'm really, really amazed by that. Also, can someone figure out what is in investigators' Gordino's lunchbox and get that passed out to the rest of the investigators? Because in about a month's time, he cleared a string of first-ree burglaries in the 5-Ox subdivision, arrested two people on a total of 38 charges for abuse of a disabled person, identified three suspects who had been plaguing the parking lots near the American Tobacco Campus with vehicle break-ins, cleared a bank robbery of all things, recovered a stolen vehicle in that case. So a special recognition to Officer Gordino. He's one of your employees of the month in September and I'm really just amazed by the work that our officers do under very difficult conditions. I wanted to talk a little bit also about just to remind you about beat realignment. You mentioned it a couple of times. I know that you know that's a subject that's near and dear to my heart. I think the very first conversation you and I had together was about this subject and I'm really looking forward to hearing how that moves forward. I know that you know that in my opinion, this is critical to making sure we have the right resources in the right areas and that I think that'll make a huge difference and continue to reduce our response times. So thank you for the work that's happening on that. Also the staffing levels look fantastic right now and I'm really, really happy. I know you guys are working really, really hard on that and I really appreciate the work on that. I'm amazed at how quickly you guys have gotten up and running and I'm working to up-fit your housing authority presence. I was really heartened by the response both by you personally. The police department is also the DHA to the really sincere plea from that community and the president of the resident council came to our work session and talked to us and talked to you about wanting to have more police presence and I really appreciate the very deliberate and intentional way that you're going about building that relationship. It's really, really important that it be done that way and I appreciate it. I did have a question about the body worn cameras. One of the things that we had talked about and I can't remember if it was at a quarterly report or some other context was getting some periodic information from the department probably in this report, quarterly report about any requests to view footage that you have received any... I certainly think that we probably would have heard if a member of the media had gone to the courts to try to get a court order disclosure and I just wondered if I could ask you to add some of that information in future reports if you think that's feasible. I think it is. I mean just to be able to provide information about requests I don't think we've had a significant number but yes, absolutely it is. The other thing I will mention is that I had a constituent reach out to me yesterday or this morning. I can't remember to point me to a news item regarding the Minneapolis Police Department. Their chief Arradondo recently started putting data about police use of force incidents on the police department's website. Obviously the names of officers are not part of that information request but they do include information about what kind of force officers have used where in that city the incidents happened, basic demographic information on folks who were the subject of police use of force. I know that North Carolina law is going to be different from Minnesota law and there may be obstacles to making that type of information available but I'd like to encourage you to consider making that information more broadly available in whatever forum or format that we can. As I've said to you many times, the use of force by Durham Police Officer is one of the most serious things that happens in our city. It is the authority by which officers use force is delegated to them by the people of the city and to the extent that we can share that information from the people from whom their authority derives all of our authority. I think our city will be better for it and I'm glad to hear your comments about the data that you've seen and look forward to seeing that as well. So if you have any thoughts on that, I'd love to hear it. I actually know the Chief very well. We went to the FBI Academy together so he's been in his position probably all of three or four months and is obviously doing some creative things but I'll reach out to him to see how his policy drives that and maybe look at how we can be as transparent as we can with use of force. Thank you Chief. The other, the last thing I just wanted to mention is just to echo what the Mayor Pro Tem said, you know, as I talk to folks in Durham, as I go to community events, it's amazing how often I see you at them. I go to a few things but you're at a lot more things based on what I hear. I just really appreciate your personal engagement. It's one thing to develop a leadership team to work with you to get your agenda implemented within the city police department. It's another thing to have you in the community personally and being, talking to folks. It makes such a huge, huge difference and I know that all of us appreciate the amount of time that it takes for you to do that and I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for approaching the job that way. It really does make a difference. Thank you. Well, I appreciate your comments. I think it's very important for me to be out there so that the community can get to know who I am and hear from me what my position is. And you know, we have a lot of very casual conversations that typically sort of dispel myths about various, you know, things going on in the police department. I think it's been very helpful and I do enjoy it. Before I sit down, I wanted to tell this body, thank you for supporting the Durham Police Department over the last few months too at our employees appreciation. They always appreciate seeing council members as well and also at Deputy Chief Rick Pendergrass's retirement and in his send off. Thank you all for being there. That's all I have, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. The only question I had chief, I know you give it to me, but could you give me an honest opinion about fact that we rolled out the body cameras in terms of, I noticed a lot of controversy when we got into this. You have any thoughts about that and reservations having done it? I have absolutely no reservations. I think that was probably one of the most wise decisions the city could have made to outfit officers with body cameras anytime you roll out devices and it's a learning curve, it's new. You have glitches, but I think the officers had apprehension about what this was going to mean for them as well. By far, the officers appreciate the body cameras and they appreciate that the body cameras help not just them pay attention to their posture, their behavior, but it also helps the citizen realize that this incident is being recorded. So hopefully the body cameras have sort of imposed a calming mechanism by way of recording incidents. So I think it was a very, very smart move for the city and I continue to look to see that this program is supported by better technology as it rolls out. So thank you all for voting yes in the body cameras. All right. Thank you. No further questions. Thanks again. Thank you. We'll move into the general business agenda, public hearings, item 21, resolution approving and installment finance contract and providing for certain other related matters. Good evening, Mayor, member city council. I'm David Boyd, finance director. This public hearing is being held to receive comment on a proposed bond issuance to fund the new parking deck, other parking related improvements and to refinance certain other outstanding debt. The details are included in your materials, but happy to answer any other questions your council might have. Thank you. This is a public hearing. Public hearing is open. You've heard the staff report on the questions by members of the council on this item. If not, does anyone in the public who wants to speak on this item, this be in a public hearing? Let the record reflect and no one asks to speak on this item. I'll declare the public hearing to be closed as a matter of fact before the council. Recognize Councilor Moffitt. I just wanted to comment. I wanted to thank the department and the director for the work that you do keeping the finances of the city in line and keeping us with our AAA bond rating, which is so important to the interest rates that we have to pay and the taxes that we have to take from our citizens in order to pay those interest rates. So thank you for your work, David. Thank you for that. I thought I heard it most in the second. I'm sorry. Second. It's been proper to move to second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. The pass is seven is zero. Thank you. Move to item 22. Consolidate an annexation item for 208 Smallwood. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Members of council, Pat Yen with the Planning Department. Before I turn it over to Jacob to present tonight's Planning Department items, I wanted to very briefly update you on our efforts to improve the motions associated with planning public hearing items. At your October 16th meeting, there were concerns raised about the format, clarity and consistency of the motions with these items. And so we consulted the city attorney's office in our recommending and approach that we'll use consistent language, a consistent format and one action per motion. And what this means, and Jacob's going to pull up a slide here in just a moment, is that there will be up to five motions for each case. That would be when all items displayed here on the screen are being requested by an applicant. The number of motions will vary based on the, which items are being requested. There could be as few as two in cases where there's only a zoning map change and a consistency statement as many as five when there's an annexation and a proposed change to the comprehensive plan, future land use map. And so this will be the order in which these motions appear and the specific language is here. I don't expect you to be able to read that per se, but there will be consistent language and will consistent order again. Those are numbered in your agenda material. And of course, we'll get any feedback from you all. We're going to try this tonight. If you all have any changes you want to make or the clerks do or the manager's office does, we'll continue to refine and improve this. All right, any questions? Thank you. I do have a question briefly. And then it's that I assume it's sort of under the way that we've been doing things. If one were to say I will move the annexation, it's an ordinance, right? I move the annexation approval of the annexation petition. That would be sufficient, right, without all the language that you had that was just showing. Yes, I would recommend that you refer directly to language in the agenda package. To the recommendation that's in with the agenda memo or on the agenda itself. So for example, move the annexation item as published in the agenda item or something to that effect. Because that has all the specifics in it about the property location and what effective date and other things like that. So like on this item, there's the annexation ordinance, okay? All right, we have five motions, four motions and two motions tonight with three items. All right, to finish. Thank you all very much. I had a question. Oh, I'm sorry. I should ask the city attorney real quick is, I'm assuming there's some legal reason we have to vote separately on all these. We discussed that and the way that it's set up, it does suggest that we need to be clear of what we're actually voting on. Don and I had this discussion this morning and I think for now I would just go there and as we worded it for you, it should be pretty straightforward going on. Works for me. Thank you. Just for an example on this first one, which the first item would be an annexation petition, right? But the resolution itself is two pages long. You don't need the entire resolution. Patrick, you don't need the entire resolution read into the record do you? No, you don't. Just a referral to the resolution. It's in the packet. That's right. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Jacob Wiggins with the planning department presenting tonight's public hearing items. And I would like to state for the record that all planning items in front of you have been noticed in accordance with applicable state laws as well as the requirements of unified development ordinance. The first item in front of you is a request for utility extension agreement, voluntary annexation petition and zoning map change received from Catfish Farm LLC for continuous 24 acre parcel located at 208 Smallwood Drive. If approved, this annexation will become effective on December 30th of 2017. Excuse me, that would be December 31st. The applicant has submitted a zoning map change in conjunction with this request to change the zoning designation of the property from residential rule to plan development residential 6.458. Some key commitments on the associated development plan. The applicant has committed to a maximum of 155 residential units. Those would be townhouse only units, which is another commitment, as well as some roadway improvements to Smallwood Drive and Pager Road. The public works and water management departments have determined that the city of Durham, Water and Sewer Mains have capacity for this project and the budget and management services department determined that the annexation will likely be revenue positive immediately upon annexation. The Planning Commission heard this request at their August 8th, 2017 meeting and recommended approval of this request by a vote of 10 to 0. I would like to make one correction for the record. Thanks to Councilman Shul for catching this in your staff report on attachment 15 in Table 5 in regards to the student generation numbers. The numbers are inverted on the table. However, the language preceding the table does note that the request is expected to increase student generation numbers by 44. That is correct. Since the numbers got a little flipped on the table and I'm happy to answer any questions that Council may have regarding this. And I would close by noting that these staff does find that these requests are consistent with conference planning, applicable policies and ordinances. And as Director Young noted, this item will ultimately require four separate motions and votes. Thank you. You've heard the staff report. Are there questions on this item? Members of the Council recognize Councilman Shul. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Jacob, the 1190 additional trips that are in attachment 15, Table 2. The, I've heard this already in an email exchange that I had with Patrick Young. But I just wanted to, thought it was worth mentioning here because at least I didn't pick up on this in the memo. Page Road is already significantly over capacity at level of service D. And, but is my understanding that there will be, the developer will be adding enough, a new lane such that this will be, this will still be at level of service D, is that right? Correct. The applicant has proper commitment to build a northbound left turn lane into the site along Page Road. So at that area with that impact as well as the other impacts from the transportation improvements, staff finds that that area should have a level of service at 99% of LOSD. Thank you. Yes, sir. I'm going to ask a question. This is the last time I'll be going through zoning. So I don't know why I'm asking this. I'm not going to have to deal with it. But just the order of how we do this. I mean, the net of this proposal is someone wants to do the PDR. So why would it not be appropriate first to determine whether or not we want to do the PDR before talking about annex and then extending utilities and et cetera, et cetera. And maybe the answer is because it's not in the city. We can't do that. Is that the reason? Yes, that is why it's structured as a disk. Okay. Because it's not in the city. Therefore, we can't talk about the zoning. I mean, I would defer to the council's legal counsel, but I think the council could discuss the ramifications of the case. Even if it's not, I mean, the net of it is if we don't want to zone, there's no sense in talking about the annexation and utility extension and all those things. So and that was Mr. Mayor, that was part of, you know, when we talked about bringing these as consolidated action, usually, I mean, back in the day, it happened in separate, completely separate actions.  If you don't want to change the zoning, you definitely don't want to go through the things that you're doing before, but it is sort of set up chronologically to bring it into the city to do the utility extension agreement just like that. But if you don't want to do the PDR, you definitely don't want to go through these other items. So we can't discuss the PDR first or we can't? Well, it's all consolidated now. So I would say that you can discuss whatever you want to discuss. Just a matter of which order we do the motions. Right. Okay. I recognize Patrick Becker who's the only one to speak for this item. And before, is there anyone else that wants to speak on this item? If not, you have three minutes. Good evening, Mayor Bell, Mayor Pro Tem Cole McFadden, members of the city council. My name is Patrick Becker. I'm with Morningstar Law Group. I live at 2614 Stewart Drive here in Durham. I'm here representing Catfish Farms, the longtime owner of this property for this agenda item. It's been my privilege to work with these gentlemen for over five years now since they were involved in the effort to rezone the parcel adjacent to the west for townhouses. This adjacent parcel is shown in your staff report and it is currently under construction. Just to give a little more history, about five years ago, the city council unanimously approved the townhouse neighborhood that's under construction along the south side of Alexander Drive. The Catfish Farms ownership group has always envisioned that once the adjacent parcel was under development, Catfish Farms would move forward if the market continued to be strong. We are experiencing very strong demand for these townhouses and so now is the time to move forward with the entitlements for the 24 acres owned by Catfish Farms. This makes sense because a couple of years ago, the developer of the townhouses next door entered into a cost sharing agreement with NCDOT to pave Smallwood Drive which had been a gravel road for decades. The townhouse development we are discussing tonight eventually will have access to both Smallwood Drive and to Roach Drive in order to disperse traffic and this will create better access for these townhouses as well as for our neighbors, Henderson Grove Missionary Baptist Church and All Saints United Methodist Church. Since this proposal follows our comprehensive plan, has a unanimous recommendation for approval from the Planning Commission and fits in well with the existing development we respectfully ask for your approval. I'll be happy to try and answer any questions you may have and we thank you very much for your time tonight. Thank you. Other questions by the council's attorney, Reconest, Councilman Schuhl. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Patrick, I note that this development is proposing to add 44 students above the current zoning. Many developers proffer $500 per student added to Durham Public Schools. Have you considered such a proffer? Thank you. Councilmember Schuhl, we researched what the adjacent townhouse development did and they contributed $15,000 for the school students and that's a much larger development with around 260 townhouses. This one's going to be under 155 and so our team can do $10,000 to be paid prior to the time of site plan approval and one also referenced what the mayor brought up in terms of traffic that this development is also taking on traffic improvements that are pretty significant for a relatively small townhouse community. So I'll be happy to wordsmith that with the planning director in the morning. Thank you. Other questions of the developer by members of the council? Hearing none, I'd like to reflect, I'd like to reflect that no one in the public has to speak on this item. I would declare the public can be closed as a matter of fact for the council. Mr. Mayor, I'll move the approval of the annexation petition. Second. It's been properly moved in second. Madam Clerk, we open. It's no discussion. We open the vote. Open the vote. Did you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes seven as a right. Mr. Mayor, I'll move the approval of the utility extension agreement. Second. It's been properly moved in second. Madam Clerk, we open the vote. Close the vote. It passes seven as zero. Mr. Mayor, I'll move the consistency statement. Second. It's been properly moved in second. Madam Clerk, we open the vote. Close the vote. It passes seven as zero. And Mr. Mayor, I'll move the approval of the request for a new use rezoning case. Second. It's been properly moved in second. Madam Clerk, we open the vote. Close the vote. It passes seven as zero. Thank you. Mayor Bell, Mayor Pro Tem, council members Moffitt and Davis, thank you very much for all your understanding and patience over the years.  Thanks. Thank you. Next item is item 23, consolidated annexation item for Ellis Road Townhouses Phase 2. Jacob Wiggins again with the planning departments. So this is a request for utility extension agreements, voluntary annexation to future land use map amendment and zoning map changed for seven contiguous parcels totaling approximately 16 and a half acres generally located at 2725 Ellis Road. If approved, this annexation will become effective on December 31st, 2017. The applicant has submitted a future land use map amendment to change the future land use map designation from low density residential to low to medium density residential. And the zoning map change to change the current zoning to plan development residential 6.678. Some key commitments on the development plan associated with this request include a maximum of 110 residential units. Make a commitment to only provide townhouse units as well as some roadway improvements to Ellis Road. The public works and water management departments performed the utility impact analysis, which determined that the city water and sewer mains have capacity for this project. And the budget management services department determined that the request should be revenue positive immediately upon annexation. The planning commission considered both of these items at their July 12th, 2017 hearing and recommended approval by a vote of 11 to zero. Staff determines that these requests are consistent with the comprehensive plan and applicable policies and ordinances and that there are five separate motions and votes required for this item. And I'm happy to answer any questions that the council may have at this time. Again, this is public hearing. The public hearing is open. We'd ask, again, other questions by the council or the staff on the staff report. Hearing none, let me call on Laura Holliman. And is it anyone else that wants to speak on this item? Again, this is a public hearing item. I'll let you have three minutes. Thank you, Mayor Bell. Good evening, members of the city council as well as city staff. Laura Holliman was spawning in Norris, representing the applicant tonight. As staff mentioned, thank you for the thorough work you have done with the staff report. Y'all always do a great job. The request we've brought before you tonight, this load of medium density development will provide an apt transition with step down density between the existing higher multifamily density along Ellis Road, like minor density adjacent to the West, industrial to the West and Southeast, and Bethesda Park and existing single family to the North and East. The COMP plan amendment examines four criteria when considering revisions to the plan, whether the proposed change would be consistent with the intent goals, guiding principles and program with any adopted plans, whether the proposed change would be compatible with the existing land use pattern and or designated land uses, and whether the proposed change would create substantial adverse impacts to the adjacent area and whether the subject site is of adequate shape and size. Staff did concur that the proposed development meets that criteria. The development would develop at acceptable suburban densities and land use patterns and would avoid patterns of leap for all non-continuous scatter development. And the staff did go over the text commitments that we are committing to tonight. We did receive unanimous recommendation of approval from your planning commission. And I'd just like to comment on one of the commissioners, Miller, he provided a comprehensive explanation of his thought process and recommending approval and said, and I quote, as I did when the developers brought phase one to the planning commission, I think it is appropriate to point out that the care with which the developer has crafted design commitments intended to address the policies promoting attractive residential development in chapter four of the comprehensive plan. Through their commitments, the developer offers assurances that they all seek to avoid design monotony and repetitious presentation of garage door openings. End quote. We have truly embraced your adopted policies and high expectations for managed growth in Durham and sincerely ask for your positive vote tonight. Thank you. Any questions? Again, this is a public hearing. Does anyone else want to speak on this item? Let the record reflect, no one else has to speak. I would encourage the public to be closed as a matter of fact for the council. Mr. Mayor, I will move that we, I believe I'm first supposed to move and adopt the ordinance and access, annexing the Ellis Road townhouses. Second. It's been properly moved and second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes seven to zero. Mr. Mayor, I'll move the utility extension agreement. Second. Properly moved and second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes seven to zero. I'll move the, to approve the requested change in the future land use, ma'am. Second. It's been properly moved and second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes seven to zero. I'll move the consistency statement. Second. Properly moved and second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes seven to zero. And I'll move the requested, that we approve the requested rezoning application. Second. Properly moved and second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes seven to zero. All right, thank you. Thank you very much. Moved item 24, zoning map change for DLLTRR. Thank you. Jacob Wiggins, again with the planning department. Jared Edens, agent for the applicant, proposes to rezone approximately four acres located at the intersection North Roxburgh Street at Busch Drive. On this side comprises six parcels, currently zoned commercial neighborhood with a development plan and residential suburban 20. I mean, Mr. Edens is proposing to change this designation to commercial neighborhood with a development plan, permitting commercial uses between a range of 16,000 to 20,000 square feet. And the development plan associated with this request does prohibit some uses. The four uses specifically are drugstores, convenient stores, gas stations and restaurants with drive-through facilities. Some other key commitments on the plans include, as I noted, the 16,000 to 20,000 square feet of commercial floor area, the closure of Busch Drive and some additional project boundary buffer and screening proffers. The Planning Commission considered this item at their September 12th, 2017 hearing and recommended approval by a vote of 14 to zero. I mean, staff determines that this request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and applicable policies and ordinances. Action for this item will require two votes, one for the consistency statement and one for the zoning map change ordinance. And I'm having to answer any questions that the council may have at this time. Again, this is the public hearing. Recognize Councilman Schultz. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Jacob, Attachment 10, BPAC comments number five about the consultation with GoTriangle as regards to the need for a potential bus stop at the U of M. Yeah, how does that consultation work with GoTriangle? I mean, so we often see this, what happens after we approve this? What happens? How does that consultation take place? And, you know, do these things, yeah. I'm gonna defer to Mr. Bill Judge. Yes, Bill Judge transportation. In this case and in many of the cases, the applicant has offered to provide transit improvements adjacent to the site along Roxboro Road with a final determination to be made at time of site plan. Given that we don't know exactly when they'll come in with the site plan, could be next week, could be a year or two years and sometimes our transit needs change. That's why we try to make that determination at site plan. So when they come in with a specific use and they can determine the estimated transit needs of the site, we review it with GoTriangle, GoDurham to make a determination as to whether or not a bus shelter is needed or warranted. And is it something that you think about? I'm just wondering how far in the future you all typically think about that. In other words, does it have to be that the bus shelter is warranted at that Red Hot Second or how do you all think about that? It's a little both. I mean, it's primarily based on the routing in place at the time or known changes in routing, and as well as the intensity of potential transit riders from the site or at the existing stop from existing uses. Thank you, appreciate it. Any other staff questions about a council? We have one person that has signed up to speak on this item, Jared Edens. Is there anyone else who wants to speak on this item? If not, you have three minutes. Good evening. I'm Jared Edens with Eden's Land. I'm here representing my client, the Durham Rescue Mission. As Jacob summarized, we're proposing a commercial zoning here on Rocksboro Road. This is for the rescue mission to construct another one of their bargain centers. They've got four or five over town that have become a big part of their program and what they're doing. They identified this location as a good spot. So here we are. We did make some proffers at Planning Commission to address some concerns from our neighbors at Dina River. We're adding an opaque fence along one part of the property that sort of shields the park area from the building area. We also agreed to limit our building and parking envelope on the site to reduce impervious areas. That was at the request of Planning Commissioners at the last meeting. So we received a 14 to zero vote at that time and I'd be glad to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Are there any questions by council or the developer? Mayor, I would just comment. I appreciate the attention to the environmental concerns which you mentioned, Jared. Thank you. Any other comments? I have a question. Do you have any meetings with neighbors in that area? Excuse me. Did you have any meetings with affected neighborhoods in that area? Let me check for one second. I'm sorry. No, ma'am. So we did not have a neighborhood meeting for this site because there wasn't a comp plan amendment but we did respond as issues arose. Okay, thank you. If there are no further questions, I'll declare the public hearing be closed as a matter of fact before the council. Mr. Mayor, I'll move the consistency statement. Second. Improper move in second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close vote. It passes seven to zero. Mr. Mayor, I'll move approval of the rezoning request. Second. Improper move in second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. It passes seven to zero. Let's move to the next item, which is item 26, 25, 25. Confirmation of assessment role for street completion and portions of Ravenstone subdivision. So if item number 26, good evening. When air bell members of council, I'm Robert Joyner. That was my fault, it's 25. 25, I apologize. Good evening, Mayor Bell, members of council. I'm Robert Joyner of the Public Works Department, item 25 to conduct a public hearing to receive comments on the confirmation of assessment role for street completion and portions of the Ravenstone subdivision. And to adopt a resolution confirming the assessment role for street completion in Ravenstone subdivision within the limits specified in the agenda. Staff has received objections to the assessments for seven properties, representing 2.6% of the 233 properties being assessed. The objecting owners feel that no part of the cost of the street completion should be passed on to the owners and the cost should be covered by other means. Suggestions included property taxes paid over the years, HOA dues, the builder and the developer. I'll be happy to answer any questions council may have. Again, this is a public hearing. Are there questions by members of the council on this item? Is anyone in the public who wants to speak on the side and no one had signed up to speak on this item? I'll let the record reflect no one in the public asked to speak on this item. I will declare the public hearing to be closed as a matter of fact for council. Mr. Mayor, I'll move that we confirm the assessment role for street completion in portions of Ravenstone. Second. It's been properly moved and second. Madam Clerk, we open the vote, close the vote. It passes seven is zero. Thank you. Item 26 is the confirmation of assessment role for street completion in portions of Stonehill State subdivision. That's Stonehill State's item 26. Good evening, Mayor Bell, members of the council. I'm Robert Joyner of the Pellet Wars Department. Item 26 is to conduct a public hearing to receive comments on the confirmation of assessment role for street completion in portions of the Stonehill State subdivision and to adopt a resolution confirming the assessment role for street completion in Stonehill State subdivision within the limits specified in the agenda. Staff has received objections to the assessments for 22 properties totaling 10.8% of the 203 properties being assessed. Should be noted that 15 of those properties are owned by the HOA. Two of the objecting owners stated the cost should be covered by the builder or developer. A third owner stated the assessment would create a hardship as she has experienced a loss of income due to medical issues and has excessive medical bills. Regardless, she felt that no cost should be passed on to the owners. I'll be happy to answer any questions that you have. Again, this is the public hearing. The public hearing is open. Are there questions by members of the council and the staff report? Recognize the approach. On the citizen who had the hardship, what do we normally do with those cases? I recall having done something in the past. In the past for other, there has never been a case like this before in these particular types of assessments. So in other types of assessments, those items are always based on a specific hardship case or other things and council has allowed relief until tap on and other types of reliefs that wouldn't apply in this particular case. But in this case, if the assessment is confirmed, if the property owner had a financial hardship and didn't have the money to pay the assessment and the lien would just stay on the property until it was disposed, correct? That is correct. And they also have 10 years at zero percent interest to pay this over time. Recognize the council. Yes, so I know that we've dealt with this case actually for a little over two years now, but just for people who might be watching and I don't remember the exact numbers, but this is a situation where typically the homeowner's property owners would pay 100% of the costs and we're down to a much smaller percentage of that. And in fact, we took it down to remind me, I think it's $500 a lot. It's $800 a lot. $800 a lot. 15% of the estimated cost. 15%. So the city's already picking up 85% of the costs and I just wanted to reiterate that not because anybody here doesn't know that, but because people listening may not understand exactly what this issue is. So there's several million dollars or millions of dollars worth of work that didn't get completed by the developer years ago. We're now at the very last point of cleaning this up and getting it, the work is done. Right, work is done. For all the streets. Right. Stonewater work still has to be completed. Right. But the stormwater work, we agreed would be done without assessing the homeowners at all, isn't that right? That is correct, sir. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thanks for the reminder, Don. Anyone else on the council has comment? If not, we do have at least one person that signed up to speak, Gwen Silver. Yeah, three minutes. Mr. Mayor, members of the city council and administrators. Gwen, do you have something you're showing? Yes, sir. Got some assistance. This is to bring you up to date on the condition of the streets. It's gonna go, it's three minutes, so you have to pay attention to what's going on, some of the problems. This is what our streets look like throughout the entire development. We're not seeing it here yet. I'm sorry? There it is, okay. This is after the paving. There were streets that were not included in that, that were paved anyway, and they were made worse. There was one half street that wasn't paved that is in our development, and you'll see that on the map. The entire Gatewood community was paved, and of those properties, I believe 14 of those properties were not our properties at the beginning of this process. They were added and the deeds were processed on September 7th, 2016. So our request is that you correct the paving problem, that the city pay for those developments that were, for the properties that were transferred to us unbeknown to the HOA last year, and that the city pay for those. It's all at the end. I'll leave the presentation if there are questions. There are members of the community that are here tonight if you stand, and all of us object to being, find the $10,400. Thank you. Thank you. I guess at some point in time, Mr. Manager, someone from the staff should comment on these. We're prepared to do that whenever you'd like, Mr. Mayor. Okay. We have one other person that has signed up to speak, and I'd like to recognize that person. Marilyn Brady, is that correct? If you can come to the podium to the right, please. And is there anyone else that wants to speak on this item that hasn't signed up to speak? Mayor Bell and members of the council, I apologize for my inexperience. No, you don't have to apologize. Okay, this is my first time here, so I'm a little out of my league here. I moved to Stone Hill Estates in 2013. I have carefully reviewed my agency disclosure, my property disclosure, I should say. There was no indication that I was moving to a development that had undeveloped streets. And on that disclosure, it does not reflect that I was not on city streets. It does not say that it wasn't a private street. And it's been brought to my attention that we received no city services, for example, plowing or street cleaning or whatever. As a nurse care manager through those years, working 40 to 60 hours a week, I was oblivious to what was going on. The one thing I was aware of was the huge holes in front of my driveway, which is a side issue, I understand that. But not having received information when I purchased the home that I was eventually going to have to pay for streets is very distressing to me. I believe that as council members, and you probably may have not been sitting on the council at the time, I believe Durham council members should have been on the ball informing potential homeowners that they were walking into this mess. That didn't happen. So how can I be responsible for something that happened before I even knew I was going to purchase this property? I couldn't have had that foresight. And when I was buying the property, no one told me. So that's a huge objection for me to have to pay for this. It's my very vague understanding that the council of Durham, city council, was supposed to have secured from the developer within a contract that they would finish these streets and that there was funds or whatever. I'm not sure on the terminology. That's why I started with an apology. And maybe Gwen can address that better than I, but none of that happened. So the former council, somewhere along the way, fell down on the job and were paying for it, or at least partially. And that doesn't seem fair to me. So I thank you for your time. Do you want to speak? Well, even just come up to the podium and just state your name and address, please. My name is David Thomas and I give it 409 Quartz Drive in the Stonehill community. What is the address? 409 Quartz Drive in the Stonehill community. And I'm a 20-year resident. I've been in the neighborhood since it was brand new. It was built in three phases. Porty Holmes built the first phase. I think Beezer built the second phase and then KB came in. And it was my understanding that a bond was not secured by the city for a million dollars and KB went bankrupt and then got numerous streets in the development undone. And we're having to pay for it and Porty did our section correctly. And I also don't think that is fair. And that's really all I have to say about it. All right. I'm Vanessa Brown. I live at 115 Citrine Court in Stonehill, States. I echo my neighbor's sentiments and it was shared by another resident who was unable to remain that some of the materials used were experimental when they were paving the streets. Is there anyone else that wants to speak on this item? If not, I'm gonna ask the manager if you have staff respond to this. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm sure you all know that we have two different issues. One, the issue associated with the assessment, but then the second is maybe the construction standards. So if Ms. Johnson could address the construction standards and inspections issue, then we can answer any other questions you might have about that first and then move on to the assessment piece. Good evening, Tasha Johnson, Assistant Director of Public Works. So what you saw were images of microsurfacing and there were a few issues with the workmanship of that work and we are working with the contractor to go in and revisit that to see if we can rectify some of those. The areas that did receive microsurfacing were not assessed to the residents and microsurfing is not an experimental technique. It is something that we are doing new to Durham as part of the pavement preservation techniques that we will be applying going forward. And what it does is seals the road to some of the cracks and preserves its condition to bring it up to a standard that is similar to some of the streets that we did pave. And when you see microsurfacing directly adjacent to newly paved streets, you do see a stark contrast, but after it wears for a little while and cures out, you don't notice it as much, but we will be looking at some of the locations that did have some workmanship concerns. What about the durability of the streets? A microsurfing does microsurfacing doesn't add a structure to the street. It does not. It does not. But it does seal some of the cracks and prevents retarice deterioration over time. So it does improve the longevity of the pavement. And just to clarify, I'm sorry, that you said the areas that were microsurfaced, they were or were not a part of the assessment. They will not be assessed. So the other questions by members of council and staff on this item. Yes. Recognize Councilor Moffitt and then the Mayor Pro Tem. Thank you. So I didn't really understand, I don't know who can address this, but I understood them to say that Homeowners Association had lots transferred to them without their knowledge. Do we know anything about this? Robert Joiner, everybody. This is Joiner. Robert Joiner, Public Works. So I don't know a tremendous amount of details about the transfer of the property. You can just give me a minute to ask a question of- Robert, just to say what you know. Yeah. So it's my understanding that some of the things were quick claimed, deeded to the HOA. They were given away by the previous landowner or landowners or LLCs who owned that property and they were quick claimed deed to the HOA. And those properties are open space, but they are adjacent to the roads that were finished and are part of the assessment. I don't know if the city attorney has any comments about quick claim process and how that works or do we know any history about that? I'm not familiar with what happened here. If that was part of the overarching plan to transfer those open spaces back to the HOA, I'm just not aware. The city wouldn't have been a part of that transaction whatsoever, no. That would have been part of by the developer, former developer. So the way it was stated sounded like the HOA didn't want the property, so if they didn't want the property, they could divest themselves of it and the, no? Can I just hand a piece of property over to somebody else without their knowledge and they can't? I mean, I would assume that there's some sort of acceptance of that. I'm just, again, I don't know if the city was a part of that transaction, so I don't know how that went down. Okay, all right. You can come up to the microphone, please. I was a member of the HOA board at that time and we received no information regarding the transfer of these parcels. What though does the city have to do with that? I'm not clear about that. How can we take responsibility for something that we didn't know about? We received no notice. No one told us anything about being gifted properties. Well, I don't know the details either, but when you do a quick claim, does anyone have to sign anything other than the person's given the property away? Does the one have to accept it? I think you'd have to accept it. I mean, you can't just quick claim for the sake of quick claiming it. Nobody said anything to anyone on the board. If when it wasn't as thorough as she is, I would not have found out about this. No one would have found out. And this happened in 2016 for my understanding and she only found out recently. I'm not gonna try to argue that one at all because I know absolutely nothing other than what you told me, but I don't see how that's an issue for the city. It seems to me that's an issue between the homeless association and whoever owned the land. And I can't, I don't know who was on the homeless association, who would have been the person responsible for signing it, but you might wanna go back and check and see when it was done, who signed for it. But I also see where the city has the responsibility at all for that. Well, I would hope that our representatives would assist us in finding out this information. Certainly, Robert Joyner has been very, very helpful in pushing through whatever we needed in order to get these streets paid. And we've received no information. Let me suggest this, if you don't mind. Certainly. And I don't want the city taking on any more responsibility than it has, but it seems to me that if it was recorded, it should be in the register of deeds office. Somebody ought to be able to show recordation and show who signed what. And Mr. Turner, could you just look at that? Sure, all right, so. Thank you. Are there other comments or questions on this item? Yeah, the question. Recognize, what was that? Don't already dealt with it. You have any more on that, Don? I'm done. Mayor Vow, if the assessment includes the paving of those streets, it is of everybody's concern. And I believe it was stated that the paving of those streets was included. Okay, is it? It's a long history on this. And I guess I've been involved since we started listening to this. And I know as Don has indicated, we made quite a bit of compromise on the city's part in terms of trying to reduce the amount of dollars that the property owners would have to pay. And I noticed I would be satisfied to everyone, but I think we've done legally when within what I think is reasonable, given what the situation was. But I recognize the young lady who had the hand up, who wanna come up and speak. Hello, my name is Stacy Reeves, and I live in Stone Hill. I've been a resident for 19 years. My first home. The address? The address. 511 Quartz Drive. And I actually spoke to the workers and they are the ones that told me that was experimental process that they weren't using. And it wasn't what we use in other communities. And for a couple of days, my neighbors and I rode around in every single street in our neighborhood and all of them looked like those pictures she showed you. Now, if we do need to pay for it, I understand. I have no problem for paying for quality work. And I don't think the city would want to be known to be making people pay for unquality work. So if you make it right, then I see no problem on my end. But I mean, my streets look better last year than they do now. And for the last 19 years. Thank you. Well, you're welcome. And I think we've heard your comments and your concerns. The pictures show it. You've heard the staff's response in terms of what they're gonna do. And I don't wanna get into whether it's experimental or not, but in none of that work is being charged back. That's the other point. You aren't getting charged for it. Okay, we'll see. And any other questions, comments? If not, I'm gonna close the public hearing and matters back before the council on this item. There, I'll move that we had confirmed the assessment role for street completion in Stoneham. Is there a second to that? I'll second. There's been proper move in second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? I'm sorry. Just for discussion. I think this is a tough decision. However, we have gone around and we've reduced the amount of obligation on the residents over the course of time. And we've made arrangements for people to be able to deal with the extenuating circumstances. So I think we, it may not be satisfactory. I know that the most satisfactory thing would be for the city to pay for all of it. But I think we've come a long way over the course of the last few years. So that's why I'll for the second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Mayor Bill, I had already opened the vote. I'm sorry, I wasn't paying attention. You did it. Close it. It passes seven to zero. Okay, thank you. And city attorney, if someone will give the city attorney contact, he'll let you know what he finds out about the quick claim deed. One item was pulled, item 29, which was the city logo. And this is Craig Carter, it's Craig Carter. Still present. Come forth, please. Hello, Mr. Mayor, city council, thank you for your time. I wanted to come today. I am the social media specialist for the Durham Convention Visitors Bureau, but today I'm here as a private citizen. I have a proposed alternative to the city logo. I also have another physical copy if you'd like to see it up close. So this design, which we are trying to project on the screens. I wanted to create a concept that by using the negative space, it creates a clean, modern look to represent a modern city. And what I was thinking about this, I think a Durham isn't a logo so much as a place. And when designing it, I found that the flag itself was one of the most iconic symbols of the city. And the flag is such a beautiful and iconic symbol. I wanted to create a logo that was contained entirely within the flag. This typeface is called Railway. It's a very elegant sans-serif typeface. It's very strong and clean and legible. And it's from Google Fonts, making it very friendly for use in print and digital. And it's also open source and free to use. And that's all. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. I like it. Thank you. Just to say the city, you don't know that that's the city of Durham. This was about the city of Durham. I thought this was about the flag Durham, North Carolina. And I thought what you've done is you inserted the city in there versus being any flag. I thought that's what's different. You inserted the word Durham. But I guess maybe I understand the logos that we see, is city of Durham a part of the flag? City of Durham is not part of the flag. It is part of our logo, however. Which prominently features our city flag in addition to the word city. And I think the concern the city. DCBV, I'm sorry, DCBV wanted to use that for representing the Durham community. That's perfectly fine. This was a recommendation about the city of Durham government's logo. Not the community's logo or flag. Well, it's a little pale pen I got on now. What's gonna happen to that? Is it still usable? Tell me, I'm serious, let me, I'll take it off and look at it again. It's got Durham, it has Durham on the, people look at it, oh, you're from Durham. They look at the flag. So is Durham going off the flag? Or what? What you said is Durham coming off of the flag? Yeah, it's the name Durham coming off of here. No, it's not. It's still going to be a part of the logo, city of Durham. So Mr. Mayor, I believe the issue here is, the flag of the city of Durham is not the same thing as our logo. Right. The flag forms the largest element in our logo. But currently, the logo also contains the word Durham across the top vertically and on the bottom, the year 1869 and then below that, the word city of medicine. The proposal before us today would remove the elements above and below the flag and insert in their place a different font of text that simply says city of Durham. And I understand this confusion because I shared it when I was interviewed by the folks who helped us put the design refresh for our logo together. It was not 100% clear to me what was meant by the logo versus the city flag. And I was very helpfully instructed by the folks who were helping us with this effort. I believe that the work that this gentleman has done, again, on his own time, and I really appreciate that, is an alternative logo presentation that again does not seek to replace the city flag, but merely is an alternative proposal for our refreshed city logo. And if I heard the city manager correctly, I believe one of the concerns that he expressed is that the proposed alternative being put forward by this Durham resident does not include the word city. Exactly. And of course, there is a county of Durham as well that does not use our city flag in its logo or any other materials. And I believe the concern is that simply using the word Durham could tend to insert confusion into what we're trying to do. And I believe that the logos that were previously on the screen in front of us dispel that potential confusion as well as eliminating some of the, I will call them antiquated elements in our logo, specifically 1869, the year of our founding, although in two years that will become much more interesting, but we'll burn that bridge when we get to it. And the city of medicine portion element of the logo, I expressed my personal feeling that it was not important that that be in the logo. And I think some other folks indicated as I read the presentation that it was in some way limiting how people thought of the city. And that's why that was removed. I'm a, I don't think that the logo refresh that has been proposed by staff is a revolutionary design change in our logo, but it does represent a step away from some of the more antiquated elements. And I step into a more diverse and usable logo because it now has a vertical use case and a horizontal use case. And as the presentation goes on to show us the different city departments can use that horizontal logo in a number of different ways that I think are graphically appealing, set out the city's identity in a pretty identifiable way. And so I'm actually a big fan of the new logo design. I do appreciate the work that you did on the alternative. I saw it on social media over the weekend. I thought it was an interesting idea to use the negative space. I thought the font was perfectly acceptable, but my preference would be to move forward on the staff's recommendation. And I hope that all that has been helpful to anyone who wanted to hear it. That's all, that was helpful. And I guess I got so lost in focusing on the flag and what was attached to it. Then talking about the logo. I guess I didn't really look at these things as being a logo. You had a flag and that hasn't changed except you got it vertically and horizontally. That's the only difference I see which you put on top of it, you put it inside of it. That's the difference I, Mr. Mayor, I'm with you now. I was more focused on, I guess, my pen, what he saw, City of Durham, the name and all that stuff, but we really just talking about it. Come around and take your... Mayor, nobody's taking my little pen away. I'm keeping it. I'm comfortable. It's all me. What I liked about what you had, you had Durham and I would have said City of Durham, but rather just Durham and I, I'm with you. Where did you have this conversation, John? I was the staff, the call to reach who worked on the logo design. I reached out to me for quite a lengthy interview which I shared many thoughts about the design elements. Thank you. All of the brilliant. Yeah, hold on for just a minute. Mayor Pro Tem, has anybody else on the council? Councilman Moffett, and then I'll get to... Did you reach out to our youth for their opinion? I'm sorry, full, reach out to youth. What will you change, young people? We reached out to various audiences including the Durham Convention and Visitors Bureau. Of course, we got their feedback and the Chamber of Commerce, Black Bull Management, however, and a lot of internal staff. However, we did not include the youth in this. That was actually, I should have said youth commission because they need to be more involved in decision-making. We'll definitely do that the next time. All right, Councilman Moffett. Just an observation, this page is actually very informative because it's got the old logo on it as well. Sometimes we overlook it because it's usually there. But this is also instructive because this is sort of one way that the logo would be used. So you can look at the logo that's on the page and look down to the corner and think about how this would be on the scene. I believe it's quite a bit of work. I appreciate the work that you've done. I also believe it's quite a bit of work went into the logos that are in front of us. And if we're dissatisfied with them, then we should send them back to staff for further work. But I can't see adopting something different tonight if just on spur of the moment. We got quite a lot of positive feedback on the logo on the flag itself. In fact, the flag was the most positive element of it. And part of what our challenge was was a way to use the font along with the colors and the logo itself. And we think we achieve that with the current logo that we're proposing. Mr. President. My concern has to do with our lack of involvement of our youth commission. And they're supposed to be an advisory committee for decisions. And I hope they can become a part of what we're doing I especially with things of this nature. And I know it's too late for that now, but we need to, I've heard so much talk about young people. So I think we need to make sure that the young people are involved in decision making. Yes, ma'am. Recognize Councilman Schuyl. So Beverly, can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Suppose someone wanted to use the logo or suppose someone wanted to use the flag in such a manner as Craig has used it with the Durham in there inside it. What is our stance on that? You don't have a policy per se against that. In fact, a few years ago we did talk about copywriting the flag. And we never did because of some challenges, some cost issues, we certainly can do that. However, there are a lot of companies now that are using the flag and representing their own companies or selling a product using the flag. And we have not asked them not to unless we've seen it used in some egregious manner. This could be available for use, for example, if the Durham Convention of Visitors Bureau wanted to use it in this way or some other. Is that right? It could be. Yes. You don't encourage it. We don't encourage it. So, excuse me, but at the same time, the Durham Visitors Convention of Visitors Bureau represents much broader area than the city of Durham. Right. And so we wouldn't wanna restrict their use to only the city of Durham if they had a broader market. You know, could say Durham NC, you know, people could use a lot of different, but they're not representing the city government of the city of Durham. And that's the intent of this logo. Okay, thank you. Well, see, my dumbness, what I miss, I was more focused on the flag than anything else. I mean, I never, I'll be honest, I really never thought about this being a logo, Durham, the flag, 1869, the city of Memphis. I never thought about it as being a logo. I was in exactly the same place, Mr. Mayor, that they explained it to me several times before I got exactly, I had the same problem. Mr. Mayor, I should have asked, when we had the work session, nobody wanted to listen. Yeah, nobody wanted to hear it. That's right. Just don't talk, Mr. Mayor, we're ready to go. So, just real quickly, so I have a lot of personal experience with using the flag recently. And I see at least one other person in this room who does as well. And so, I mean, I just, I do think that's something we need to give some thought to. And again, maybe, you know, is how are we trying to protect this? That's a different question than what we're talking about here, but it just isn't thought. Okay. And we do pursue that. But I do, I think that what we've got is good. I like it a lot. I think this is really interesting, right? But I think the staff's done a lot of good work. It just, you know, it strikes me as this is the kind of thing when we're really trying to do, you know, at some point we're gonna be doing something, you know, we're gonna want a new logo at some point and we can have an open process. And it would probably be a lot less expensive than the $200,000 that Raleigh just spent for their treat. I was pleased that our logo's a heck of a lot better than theirs. And so, I think it's a good idea, but I like what we've done. I think we've had a good process. Okay, I guess we need to vote on this, Ryan. Mr. Mayor, I'll move to approve the updated Steve Durham logo as outlined in our agenda. Second. And property movement second. Madam Clerk, will you open the vote? Close the vote. Thank you. Thank you. All right, thanks, Beverly. Thank you, sir. It has a seven, is he right? Right. Anything else to come before the council before we adjourn at 9 21 p.m.? We have work session tomorrow at one o'clock. Thank you. Meetings adjourned.