think we live in a culture of conflict We identify with one group or another group And we tend to do what mr. Seppos Said which is to think they're wrong and we're right. We don't really have faith In the peace process. It's easy enough to want Countries abroad to sit down at the peace table together, but it's really really hard For us to sit down with our enemies and have any faith that we can reach some kind of Agreement and even respect and an agreement that might work better for all of us. I'm a preschool teacher I'm a developmentalist. I don't think we can create the ideal Overnight, but I think we can move ahead as much as we can So the fact that this is an empty chambers pretty much tonight. I expected it to be packed. I thought everybody would want peace This is our big chance This is this is what we've been waiting for somebody with the leadership quality of somebody like mr. Seppos who can handle Acrimonious situation who can handle people who are really really angry at each other We're looking for that kind of leadership. We're looking for that kind of faith that kind of Model in our own minds But we don't have faith in it most people don't have faith in it. They don't think it's going to work And so we're stuck with the fact that um We don't have it I do think that what mayor Watkins said Um is true That the council sets the tone Believe in each other find peace with each other and then we'll follow. We'll try to do our best. Thank you. Thank you Excuse me Hi, Darius most need here. Um one thing. Um, I'm kind of a johnny come lately to facebook Um, I find out you could actually waste about 20 percent of your day on it But anyway, one thing I've learned about being on facebook a little bit more is when people the folks in santa cruz Have a problem and don't like something they immediately go to facebook and complain about it And it's been what two years since the rent freeze was february 7 2017 I see no Facebook pages no post about oh my landlord did this. Oh, he's kicking me out. Oh, he raised my rent And in fact if you talk to a lot of folks the tenants they say, oh, I really like my landlord He's great. But I heard about this other guy. So again, this idea of having real data is very important And I don't think I think Landlords like myself and others have been quite self-governing in the past two years despite all this there hasn't been a mass exodus massive mass evictions Massive rent increases and so forth. So that's one point second point different is one thing I noticed in the the report was this Common theme about with this animosity towards a rental inspection program And it seemed to be coming from not just landlords, but the tenants themselves, which I find really ironic You hear about the stories of substandard conditions, which mr. Three hugs here had talked about yet He wants and wants rental inspections yet There's folks I think in the report. I'd like to hear more about that frankly If there's a way to get what what exactly is wrong people eject to the rental inspection program Which I find which I also find a slap to joe and oscar And the other folks that are really Great bit side manner and good representatives of the city when it comes to the inspecting rentals. Thank you I expect you're getting a little weary of seeing some of our faces at every meeting We likewise are getting a little weary but I think we've seen Santa Cruz in a very different light from the way we See Santa Cruz in our hearts I want to say as a person On this side of the dais That what we just heard was a willingness To work together And I want I want to second what we heard from rick lancinati And that is That we really need you To work together If the recall goes through And is successful We're going to have no end of bifurcated enmity In this community We can't I've said this over and over again. I'll say it one more time We can do better and I really do Trust each one of you. You're bright. You're caring. You love Santa Cruz. You can do it We're here. We're willing to say yes I was a participant in the process I'm willing to be a participant In the ongoing process We can do it together Good evening. I'm norah hockman I was a stakeholder and interviewed in this process so for those of The one two or however many of you put my name on that list I thank you for that. I was very honored to be Part of this process in the city Having said that You know, I really hope that there is no intention to put together a task force As a result of this because I fear that we will spend six to eight months arguing About how those appointments are to be done and those are really boring Discussions on this side of the dais The endless horse trading and you know, how many people got how many appointments by who and How many people they'll there will be and will it be two people per council member? Or will the campaigns Submit names and I don't care Because every day that goes by There are challenges for tenants And if there are challenges for tenants, there are challenges for landlords. It's just the nature of the relationship So if we don't have a task force We got to figure out then by what means we managed to approach each other I'm talking about the two sides now To figure out whether we can pull some sort of rabbit out of this hat And you know make this a go and bring a legitimate recommendation then To council if we can knock out some sort of compromise agreement I'm very committed to that because I don't think The crying need for some kind Hi, carol polhamas. I was also um a stakeholder in the interview process I really appreciate that I thought it was a great process I really enjoyed meeting mr. Seppos and and going through the process and actually sitting in the hallway and Seeing people coming and going and talking to them um I think That there is a way to have a task force I think that the only way to come up with any kind of recommendations is by getting People on the opposite sides to speak to one another I really believe that people want the same things. They want stability. They want predictability They don't want over-regulation They want to be honored and respected for their opinions. I think that's a very doable thing And again, you set the tone for that. So I would encourage you to think about having a task force. I think it's important I don't know how else we're going to figure it out Good evening. I'm scott cram Well after his presentation there it's he kind of The report made things seem kind of hopeless as far as getting going moving forward But I think as a community we can rise above all this this fray And sit down and make something happen, you know start with measure m and Pull the piece pull it apart put it back together Maybe look at other communities what their rent control ordinances are pull them apart put them back together Come, you know take multiple situations put them all together and I think You know if the right group of people sits down together and they have the backing Of their particular Whatever groups they represent That maybe we can get somewhere And I was glad to see that Several times in this report The whole idea of the rental inspection thing came up Because that's something that landlords don't like and it's something that tenants don't like Tenants don't like being invaded by the city. Hi, we're the government. We're here to help you And then they kick you out of your out of your house, you know, it's like, uh You know when that when that Ordinance first came forward I made up t-shirts with pictures of Joseph Stalin on it and said hi I want to search your house. I don't know if any of you remember that but uh anyways so Maybe the first step that everybody can agree on as far as tenants and landlords is get rid of the dam inspection program And then move forward and find other common ground. Thank you Hi, I spoke earlier. My name is Sarah Manilde I am a section 8 tenant and I have just been through an awful lot with someone whose name I will not mention Is but is publicly known as a wonderful helping the Kind of landlord and we went through hell together And he sold the house and I thought I was going to be homeless And it didn't work out that way But I had a rent increase of about 40 percent not five percent And other lovely things and I'm a senior I've had cancer. I had a broken leg and broken knee. Is that the other thing? The complexity In this stuff requires that everyone Listen more carefully. There's power. We were talking about stories I think as my landlord just wanted to get rid of the whole problem He escalated stories against me and I'm not going to escalate stories back, but it wasn't good You know, it wasn't good And you do need to understand that a person needs to justify if they feel like they're using their power And um, I don't know what to do about it, but I think that I mean, it's like my grandparents lived in Santa Cruz county My grandmother talked to teddy roosevelt at the old st. George hotel in 1903 Okay, so when you say it's you know, it's all of california. Well, maybe it is But I think there are extraordinarily unique things here And there I really did work hard. I really did work at oak tree villa I really did do a lot of things I wish I could have done more or worked in san jose and then But that is part of the reason my income is so low as santa Cruz used to pay nothing Because the rents were nothing and now that i'm old and retired The rents are enormous. My personal experience is irrelevant probably to the larger process But I do want to remind you that there are response They're having responsible working people and you don't get to denigrate them and turn them into irresponsible people Who are suffering terribly here? Thank you Are there any additional members of the community that would like to address this on this item? Okay, seeing them. We'll go ahead and return back to the council for action deliberation and comments or questions at this time Councilmember mathews I'll go ahead with the comments since I didn't have a question Um and mr. Seppos, I want to thank you for the report the process both the individual Interview was very frank and comfortable and honest and I have to assume from comments that others had similar experiences and Your report sounded Very um It rang true to my own experience and and In the community and observing the community as a whole I would say um, I am not inclined to Go for a task force at this point Exactly and I understand all the good things that are operating in our community in terms of a desire to do better and Be nicer to one another and so forth When I looked at that first option that the the staff showed which was to Refocus on the current work plan the huge pile of recommendations from the housing blueprint subcommittee the housing element, etc I think there's so much Work that where we can get doable result results In on a satisfying timescale I am not hopeful that the a task force will deliver different results Particularly if the burden for running it Falls on to our our staff I really am eager to to make progress on some of the things that have been put off for A half year a year a year and a half two years and and see some results. So that's I'm just putting it out there That's where my preference lies I'll just um, maybe take a moment while I don't see any other hands at this time And then we'll go ahead and kick it over to councilmember Glover and then vice mayor Cummings But I I can't make a motion, but I was part of the housing blueprint subcommittee and really enjoyed that process I know it came from a really robust listening tour and within the three areas is housing protection and I'll just say that I think part of why I don't think that was Prioritized to the level I think it could have been is because we knew there was a conversation happening in our community around measure M and so we wanted to allow that process to play out But within that within that report are a number of suggestions around how do we support the rental housing in our community. How do we support? Protecting those rental units as well as other recommendations So for me knowing that, you know, maybe at this time given really just an honest report from a Um unbiased outsider To not pursue a task force that that could be a start to really look at what are as I know was referenced in in the report Are some of the lower hanging? Fruit items that we could find agreement on and build on those relationships. I potentially and see movement, but ultimately see Um community benefit, which is the center of what is behind that effort and within the report And I know is really what I think every single one of us in this room and on the dais really cares about So perhaps maybe it's sort of a blend of the two options of really saying look We want to keep working on housing in all forms because it's it was identified that it's now one solution to address the housing challenges in our community And we want to say maybe we'll take a real a real look at the rental protection components of the blueprint because that was sort of Sort of cast aside at the time And that could come up in the context of an ad hoc council subcommittee But instead of maybe having it being sort of narrowly focused on the the topic before us that it may be be more inclusive of Housing protection as well as how it complements some of the other efforts I also just want to speak to what I think was brought forward by the community in regards to the council behavior I feel that I I as I said I take that that feedback really seriously and I Recognize that within the report there were aspects of passive and more active elements of how council members behaved within the context of Not only measure M, but in general and so I will reflect on my own personal behaviors And I will also be mindful moving forward in terms of how we as a council can really start to move forward and seeking compromise and Bringing our community together So with that, uh, I'll go ahead and acknowledge councilmember Glover and then Kick it over to you at vice mayor Cummings. Thank you, mayor so First one. I appreciate mr. Seppo says has others but uh, definitely a positive experience in the interview process as well as the Questions and the clarity as well as the candid nature of his report back because I think it really provides a Important perspective and view of Santa Cruz to some it might be really surprising to others Not so much especially if you look at the discourse and the conversations going on in the community both in real life But especially uh online with the way that people communicate. So I'm hoping and looking forward to moving Closer together. I also appreciate some of the statements from the public Something that stuck out to me Well, first there was uh, I believe our last speaker that mentioned that uh, they thought that their personal experience was potentially irrelevant for other people and I just wanted to let you know that your Opinion matters if you're still here it looks you may have left But every story matters whether they be rich poor renter or landlord Something else that stuck out to me was we live in a culture of conflict, which I think is important to acknowledge Both for the fact that I know that for a lot of people conflicts It used to be that way for me too is something that we try to avoid And I would encourage all of us within the community To not be afraid of conflict And to embrace it and engage with it because if we come at it from the perspective that conflict is neutral It doesn't carry any good or bad attributes to it It just has to do with how we manage conflict when something happens How we address it and move through it because ideally we can use conflict as a tool to bring ourselves closer together Because after we deal with that conflict, we have a better understanding of each other and a more clear understanding of our shared values And goals so I look forward to Implementing those philosophies and ideologies both in the community and on this body And I will be excited to be a part of that process also When we're out to the motions The It's difficult and I think that you know just looking into the calendar and knowing that we have our Strategic planning session on the 22nd That may be a good opportunity for council members to really dive Deeper into the conversation around rent renters protections the structuring number down how committee so I don't know if it's I mean, maybe it's good if we set an intention with the motion to do it But do we think that it's maybe premature to do it before strategic planning sessions? So just a question I pose to my colleagues And then council member brown I had a question actually for um, mr. Seppos And I won't first. I want to also thank you for the report you were able to provide to the city of Santa Cruz for all the work you did around interviews and Just the honesty of the report that you brought forward. I thought it was really helpful and um, And I think it was pretty spot on for where we're at I also, you know, want to acknowledge the fact that you didn't say Absolutely not and you didn't say yes And you you know, you you focus on it being Unsuccessful at this time and for the variety of reasons that you brought forward it makes sense. Um, just given the Uh, the climate that we currently are facing in Santa Cruz In the absence of bringing forward a task force. I'm just curious from your professional perspective um I just envision You know, you address the fact that there is a recall happening right now and um And I think one of my concerns is that that's going to continue to divide the community And additionally, I feel like a lot of tenants in Santa Cruz and tenant supporters Also, you know, if we don't do anything are going to feel I think it's going to continue to Drive this rift because we continue to see more Market rate housing built and more tenants getting either asked to You know leave their homes or face high rental increases. And so I'm just curious if you have any thoughts around where we go from here and and Yeah, just any professional perspective on this Million dollar question Where to go from here, um Well, um You know, I I feel um It's an interesting experience doing any time I do an assessment because There there necessarily has to be a disassociation you know from The conflicts or the challenges that folks are going through and yet at the same time I ever cliche the sounds I care about the people that I meet and work with and talk to it's you know It's hard to not be engaged in these kinds of candid discussions and not do that in that context I feel badly for this community um I'm not taking sides. I want to be very clear. I you know, I I'm not going to get into the legitimacy or the effectiveness or appropriateness of a recall I'm going to say that You're this community is about to go on a war footing for the next two years That's my assessment. Um Right wrong good bad needed not needed. I'm not going to get into that. I'm just going to say that the dynamic of The compellingly expressed need for something to be done about the topic let alone the relationships but just the topic and that sequentially more than likely having to now take a Seat to the immediacy presumed of a recall means you're going to be in the success of dynamics It's going to be a lot of time. It's going to be a lot of emotion. It's going to be a lot of money There's already been frayed relationships or at least it's been expressed to me So I feel badly for this community in terms of where you go next I think some of your members of the community have really stated it. I but I I think it it's they have to people have to look in a mirror too I think um whether or not you engage a task force, um The externalities that I spoke to and mr. Lunge and I Called back up. I think that those remain fundamental. Um Going to give you a very blunt answer to something you can't This is a progressive community by and large and and You can't point to certain conditions at a national scale and say that the words and behavior of a particular leader Have impact and emboldened behavior, but then disassociate it when it happens at a local level So if you're going to presume that the behavior and actions of other leaders emboldened certain behavior Then so too does that kind of dynamic in this community? Um That's a blunt answer um, but so too then is a requirement of people taking a Disciplined way on how they behave amongst themselves too. So whether or not you engage a task force I think that those things are things that probably for the better of this community It's my recommendation is you'd want to be trying to deal with the things that you can deal with I don't know if I'm really I don't think gets the heart of your question, but I don't really know what I mean What else to say other than that really Hopefully that touched on it somewhat Thanks, I appreciate it. Um I just want to say that Moving forward. Um, I have an alternative motion to make that's in addition to the ones currently posted, but One thing that I've been trying to do Since getting elected is really find ways to engage with members of the community and Engage with other members of the city council who maybe haven't always shared the same opinions with because I think that we need to As has been mentioned, um, really try to work together as a community I've met with folks who were very much know on m have met with my other colleagues who were on the rank control campaign and um have Maybe not voted the way that everyone's always wanted me to see and I think part of that's been trying to actually get the community To work together and figure out ways we can collaborate So I'm very much interested moving forward Trying to work with members of the community in any way possible If the task force isn't going to go forward and if the ad hoc committee doesn't go forward I'm going to be really reaching out to community members to figure out ways that we can pass Um policy that's going to be um very inclusive of the folks in our community We're proud. Um, yeah, thank you. Mr. Supos for your candid honest, um Reflection on what's going on in our community. I'm having a I mean, I don't want to repeat what's already been said So I'll just I'll leave it there. I really appreciate it and um Wish that we I mean one of the reasons that I wish we could Do a task force right now? We could actually vote to proceed on a task force that I think Working with you that it would be really great for our community to have Somebody who's honest and and really capable to come in here and help whip us into shape When it comes to you know working on what I believe is the most vital issue that we face in this community The thing is the Kind of talking past each other. I mean all of the dynamics that you Have have raised in this report For me Were precisely the reasons. I mean, I didn't really come as a surprise It's I mean, it's obviously hard to see it in the these stark terms, you know staring back at you when you're reading But it it didn't surprise me much And those dynamics are kind of precisely why I thought Genuinely, it would be a good idea to have a task force to kind of bring people together Who say they're willing to negotiate and good faith to have those conversations Because they don't happen otherwise. They don't happen On their own or they haven't been So it makes me sad to you know, but you know, I could only recommend doing a task force if At this point given what we've seen and kind of what we've all been through if that was a unanimous decision By all of my colleagues and I'm sad that that's not happening here that that others aren't inclined to To move ahead and and give this a try And make those commitments to to stay out of the way and and see if the community could come together and we could help facilitate that So I'm looking forward to hearing what council member coming or vice mayor coming's excuse me Is thinking about as a way forward because I don't think it's acceptable to do nothing right now if we do nothing if we do not at least Step up and demonstrate that we can provide some leadership and that we can work together The community is going to go do good out again and Or maybe the community will come together But you know as as I think some of the members the people folks who spoke tonight They're looking to us for leadership and walking away and doing nothing is not leadership So Like I said, I'm looking forward to what vice mayor Cummings has come up with I have a few thoughts of my own and I hopefully they'll I think they are likely to align So I think I'll leave it there for now well, um I'm not seeing any not seeing any other hands being raised at this time So if I could just and maybe in summary Try to see how we can move forward as a council unanimously I think you know one of the things that I Think I can say that I hear is that there's not really this sort of let's go Let's not do the task force But I think but it could maybe happen eventually but maybe not tonight. It's sort of my feeling at this moment But in terms of what I believe council member Glover suggested and And I'm and I am in agreement with if that's the direction we want to go is we want to continue to work on Bringing our community together showing leadership and actually making a difference in regards to housing in our community and so if that comes out of our Strategic planning session then that is fine if we want to have that conversation there Um, if if we don't want to move forward on forming an ad hoc in any way to kind of dive deeper into What I think is already and actually I will just give a shout out to our planning department too They received award of excellence for their work around our housing blueprint subcommittee from the northern california association of planning Northern california american planning association. We're very close. Yes, anyhow, um, it's it's a it's a document that's been It's been acknowledged by their peers in terms of excellence and I think it's also the foundation for What we can really do together in terms of supporting our community and bringing us together So I'd be happy to say If it's at the will of the council that we Continue the conversation to really think about that in terms of our strategic planning if that's the approach and or look at a sort of a merged motion or direction in regards to Some sort of ad hoc of council members coming together to really dive deeper into that report particularly around the housing protection components and looking at some of the low hanging fruits as was identified in the In this in the summary report. Okay. I think I saw councilor glover vice mayor comings and then council member mires Thank you. Um, so I'm also curious about vice mayor comings alternate motion, but something that I could see to respect what council member brown had Uh, brought up was the Way to move forward and take action tonight Maybe not a task force But doing something to show that we're able to take some steps and at least still have the gears turning in the ball Moving forward or moving the needle. So I could see a fusion of one and two. Um, I could just see one with the establishment or the Kind of statement of intention that we will be addressing this at the strategic planning meeting Uh, so those are all things that I could be totally open to supporting. Can you go to number three again, please? Citizens, oh, yeah, um, so Uh Either one or two I mean we do one and include parts of two so it could be something like direct staff to Continue on the current work plan And initiate an ad hoc subcommittee that would spend some special time talking about it at the strategic meeting If we were to break into groups, I'm not sure how that's going to be structured So if we're going to do small group work, then there could be a group specifically focused on The issue of renters protections and or task force formations So just some suggestions For conversation, but I don't want to make a motion until I hear vice mayor comments Okay, the million dollar motion. Let's go ahead um emotion was something um a little bit different but Uh, there have been a number of folks in the community. I mean pro m and against m and pro rent control and not who really want more data and so um Taking some recommendations brought forward by community members I wanted to um direct staff make the motion to direct staff to bring back recommendations to pursue an online rental lease rental increase notice to quit and eviction submission and tracking program For the purposes of gathering fine scale data on the frequency and magnitude of rental increases notices to quit and evictions in the city of sanikers and in addition to that that we um review the blueprint subcommittee report and bring this back at the planning session on june 22nd Okay, so at council more clever So i'll second that for conversation so that we can have a conversation about it um and the question then I guess is with the online database survey structure Is it a mandatory thing for all landlords to participate in? Is it an optional thing because that could mess with the data? Well, this is for staff to bring back the recommendations. Oh, I'm sorry to bring back the recommendations at the next city council meeting for how to implement it yes So that we can take all the considerations of mandatory how would the structure of the process be timelines costs All those kinds of considerations I get all right yep second Okay, I'll just um Have a little bit of hesitation here because we have a full meeting We have one more meeting prior to our council break and um that seems sort of detailed and um Potentially time-consuming to have that type of turnaround Not to say that that isn't something that could be forthcoming nor nor to Sort of dismiss it as not even a potential option. I think I think that could actually really help Feel potentially maybe what would be a conversation around this ad hoc, but I think it might Evolve into that but not necessarily start with that would be my sort of just instinctual response to that But I'd like to see what the staff says in regards to Sort of the timeline the different information that was suggested or requested in terms of the data Do you have a response to that? Before you sorry I was talking to him. That's okay. Do you want me to repeat the question? It's essentially your take on sort of approach timeline. Sure All right, so leave out their planning director and yes I certainly think that that is doable in terms of it being something required. We would need to do Ordnance updates getting ordinance updates in front of the council By the next meeting certainly would not be something we could put together but You know the the reports are due To the city manager's office in two days for the next meeting So that draft, you know, I I understand there has been some community work surrounding this and so building on that community work and At least agendizing it as a discussion for the council you could provide some direction so that during the council break Over july We could be working on an ordinance and bring that back early after the council recess with an ordinance that could mandate the requirements and that could dovetail with some of the other things that we're doing in terms of moving some of our rental inspection service Information online and so the the timing is nice in terms of complementary efforts that we're doing in that respect But we would need an ordinance For it to be required That would be a council decision. That would be sometime, you know, august at the earliest If you want a significant outreach In the interim it may be longer than that Or if you wanted some of that public discourse to occur at the The council meetings then it could be it could be sooner I do think this could land outside of the zoning ordinance and as a result Wouldn't need to go to the planning commission for recommendations It could nest within some of the rental inspection service provisions that we have which are in One title 20, I believe chapter 20 of the municipal code So given Yeah, there's a there's a motion on the floor. There's a motion by uh, vice mayor Cummings. Cummings There's a second by a council member Glover. We're in conversation and deliberation at this time Um, I guess I would just say that you know, I think to the earlier point made by uh, council member Glover That we will be having a strategic planning session in terms of short term work plan goals. And I think this could easily be Identified as something we as a council could find support for As well as some other elements that might have shared interests amongst our council So my instinct again would be to sort of pause that at this time and wait to have that conversation when we have actually our Planning session. Okay, uh council member matthews and then council member miers A couple things. So you just mentioned you have a full schedule planned for the strategic planning session, but it does seem to me like More focus on the the whole cluster of What do we do next on housing issues is appropriate for that? Strategic planning session. It's kind of in everyone's mind. I wasn't clear from your motion if you intended this to be Something that happened right now. What are individual people's experiences? In which case you get what's a statistically Valid Accounting or were you looking at a mandatory ordinance that would be landlord based? It just wasn't clear from me where you were going with your motion Which is let me just say another reason to put it off and have a little bit further discussion The point of the motion was mainly to get this on the agenda so that we can Begin to have a discussion around what this kind of program would look like and so um, the idea being that One of the things that's been expressed in the community is How often are rent increases happening? How often are we having people ask to leave their homes? And they're not being any mechanism for actually tracking that and so the idea being that Given the fact that we know this is to be true within our community Bringing this forward as something to put on the agenda that we could discuss in further detail and then Make recommendations to staff whether or not it's to Review the potential for changes in ordinance language that would come back to us in the fall And better understand how we can implement this. I think it's just a piece of this This issue around rental house housing that Folks have been saying that we need more data on and I think this might be a good mechanism to do so My own feeling is that dropping it cold without much preparation on an agenda Just gets us back into this kind of flashpoint of a whole lot of we'll go ahead and ask that if you Go ahead and reframe from making comments. We've had an opportunity to hear from the public at this time We'll go ahead and return it back to the council and we'll go ahead and allow you I do like the idea of bringing this up as part of our strategic planning discussion on housing My own feeling is that some outreach to different Stakeholder categories about How to go about this would be good on this one item So there's some sense. I mean, I think that was in a way part of the difficulty with measure m. It was It was cooked up and delivered cold So that that would be my approach there. That's part of why I wanted to get staff's input and recommendation So that we can have a discussion about how staff feels that we should move forward with implementing this kind of program And then we can have a discussion about it and during the summer The steps and recommendations we take to implement it could be taken into account One more question It just do you feel comfortable deferring this to the strategic planning session? I think that's fine. It's going to be I mean it's earlier. It's sooner, but yeah, I'd be fine with no I mean just to get this initial discussion. I'd be fine. Okay councilmember meyers and then councilmember brown Yeah, I guess I just want to echo I think that the work of the blueprint the blueprint subcommittee report is a really Workable set of of priorities for the community So I I don't want to lose track of the intent of the work that you guys did which is Housing protection housing preservation and housing production, you know, and so I think we have to balance this Need to address immediate needs around tenant protections and tenant tenant concerns But I do agree. I think we're starting here some consensus here. I think Taking this to our strategic planning session makes a lot of sense to me right now and in versus making a motion tonight But maybe we just refer to our strategic planning session and we come back after the break with additional work additional action councilmember brown and then vice mayor I understand the the interest in Trying to fit figure out how this fits in with our the workload and in terms of our overall strategic planning my concern Is well, I guess I'll start by saying I believe the intent of vice mayor Cummings making this motion was to Agendize this for discussion and direction to do something so that we could actually be doing something in the fall Rather than waiting until the fall to provide direction to do something for the winner So I feel like if there's a way that we can actually out of our strategic planning session Take that action and direct staff at that time on the second Then that that's okay, but I if that's not going to happen then I would vote right now to agendize it for the 25th because I don't Think we can wait All through the whole summer and then get back around to it after our break councilmember clever and then vice mayor Cummings the nice c-city manager martin Bernal I don't know if you want to weigh in before we have the only thing I was just thinking about is with respect to the strategic planning session The intent is to discuss a whole variety of different issues. So you just kind of be careful to not have one item Take up all your time. So these have to be really strategic about that Because it's intended to discuss a whole variety of different issues But I mean if I could just add that it's also designed to give some direction of consensus items on behalf of our council for our staff So that we can move forward in a thoughtful way in terms of policy and priorities within a short period of time, correct? That's that's right. So the the idea is to develop a six-month Work plan is a starting point and then then work on the longer term or a process for the longer term Two-year work plan. Okay councilmember clever and then vice mayor Cummings and then back to count Thank you. I just want to confirm the structure of the motion because there was something that was suggested before Which I don't support and I don't think I didn't accept it. So I just want to make sure we're talking about the same thing is that vice mayor Cummings motion which was to Have staff come back with their thoughts On it for the next city or genderizing it I should say for the next city council meeting so that we can have discussion and then give instruction as Director Butler mentioned over summer to do the work and the groundwork and then come back so we can do it in august And then specifically have a conversation of some length to address it so we can all talk about it at the Uh, strategizing meeting on the 22nd because I I think that the change was and this is kind of getting to my question Which was going to be would we be able to take action on this on the 22nd if we bring it earlier and if the answers No, then that would be a concern because I think that um the whole point and having had the um The planning director mentioned that we would be able to bring something because it's a recommendation for discussion on the 25th I think that if it's to come on the 22nd if we can take action on it that'd be fine. It's coming sooner But I think that if we can't take action on on the 22nd I mean the whole point of this is to have a discussion around this type of program And so what can come out of that is recommendations for community engagement It's the potential for you know learning more about how much it's going to cost getting more input from other members of the city council But the idea being that We've now taken about six months to take a step back From working on anything related well most things related to tenant protections And now the recommendation is that we should not do a task force And if we're not going to do a task force then One of the things that's been brought to me that i've been patiently waiting on is bringing this forward to the council And I think that this is a good opportunity for us to begin Having discussions and starting to think about how we're going to address these issues I think I was next so that was my question actually too that I guess to the city manager Because it's related if we can take action on the 22nd on this if we put it on our strategic planning or if It needs to go on a regular agenda. Yeah, I think I was just thinking trying to think that through I think the there's a challenge in the sense that If you're taking any kind of substantive Action and there's public interest, you know Trying to formulate an agenda Or around that in this kind of setting it will be difficult You can certainly discuss, you know discuss it and how it Fits in with priorities and give us a sense of that it's important and you want us to work on that I think you can certainly do that But if there's an interest in the council to actually have Potentially some public comment on it and and sort of your normal decision making process That setting would be difficult to be able to sort of give that type of direction I believe I think having an overall discussion how it all fits in and then bringing it back Would be more of the standard process so then there would be the proper notice and In the normal way the council would sort of give direction to staff on a particular item Particularly if there's public interest and weighing in and and hearing it Okay, I'll just go ahead and add and then I'll kick it over to council member brown that I think the there's sort of it's a yeah, it's sort of a both and you can kind of give direction in terms of broader strategic alignment in terms of efforts, but it's Not agendized and it won't be agendized to have us taking any specific policy action And I don't think that would be appropriate in terms of You know detailed discussion in that regard at that in that setting So I think it's it's sort of that tricky sort of in between space But I don't think taking specific policy action if it's agendized as a council retreat for strategic planning on this type of very specific policy Would be appropriate under the brown act constraints council member brown Thank you. So given that I'm going to go ahead and Say that I will support the motion as it stands to have this agendized for june 25th That sounds like our staff a director butler said that at least some kind of Information could be pulled together to provide a basis for that conversation We also have some materials that have been given to to several of the council members So I'm going to go ahead and call the question on that motion Okay, so we have a motion to call the question by council member brown seconded by council member crone We could have a repeat of the motion if we could go ahead and restate the motion at this time sure So the motion is to direct staff To bring back recommendations to pursue an online rental lease rental increase notice to quit an eviction submission and tracking program for the purposes of gathering fine scale data on the frequency and magnitude of rental increases notices to quit and evictions in the city of santa cruz to come back on the agenda for june 25th and to um Have the city council review housing blueprints of committing report recommendations um for action to be taken at the special planning meeting So we have a motion to call the question and i'm not going to support the call the question at this time But i'll go ahead and take the vote all those in favor to call the question. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? No So that passes with council member brown vice mayor comings council member crone and council member glover voting in support of calling question Which means all discussion on the agenda I mean on the motion before us We'll be voted upon without any further discussion at this time. So all those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed? No So that passes with council member crone glover brown and vice mayor comings voting in support And council member mires mathews and myself voting against council member mathews I just want to say since I couldn't say it before i'm quite sympathetic to the Desire to gather credible statistics My concern was the speed of this action the specificity of what was required And the idea that the housing blueprint subcommittee would be Also included in that same discussion seemed like too much too soon that I I fear will Create some backlash right away. I'm I'm actually very sympathetic to the underlying desire I actually would be supportive of the underlying desire as mayor It's very difficult to agendize this way And I think just to acknowledge that there's likelihood that we would have to remove some other types of items that we had At you know, sort of tentatively scheduled for that meeting given the the depth of Agenda items we have before us. So Actually, my vote is not in opposition to the content. It's in opposition to the process council member mires. Yeah, I just like to Reflect also. I think from the very beginning. I've been really Interested in making sure we design the policy around the best data that we can get and So I just Yeah, so I will we'll see how things play out But yeah, I mean I understand the intent of the motion um, it would have been uh, really nice to be able to support it, but it's I'll let go there Yeah, so I might just want to say that I uh hear and acknowledge the concerns expressed by both council member Matthews and the council member mires with regards to the speed at which we are moving to Explore this option now I would do would do want to remind us that it is just a conversation of the next meeting and giving instruction for staff So that could take a very short amount of time in the agenda based off of the conversation that we have at the meeting, but I would call Excuse me attention to uh, mr. Seppos and the report And in a in an effort to try and work together and try to figure out some things We ended up again with another four three votes, which is not a very good look for a community Especially when they're looking to us to engage and in response to the question too much too fast I'm just a little concerned that we're at this point right now because we've done too little too late And so now we're at the situation where we have already waited six months because we wanted to see if there was a task force option we Did that Now we're here and we need to decide are we going to wait another two to three months before we even can really start doing it Because it's going to get through Summer and then we're going to get into august and then there's going to be things like the transitional encampments and the Opening of facilities that are going to take up a lot of meeting time. So when are we actually going to get to it? I think I hope that y'all can understand where I'm personally coming from and the vote I think that was reflected by the other three and then really figure out how we can start working together and compromising so that even And and work together. So I just look forward to that Okay, so we have another agenda item after this which is our budget. So I'll go ahead and acknowledge city manager martin Bernal. I just wanted to make a clarification. I was Conferring with our planning director just to be clear about what we would be able to bring back because the motion Noted recommendations and I just want to be clear that What we can provide is sort of just initial background information It's not necessarily specific recommendations that want what to do or not to do just kind of initial thoughts It really just background information to at least introduce you to the topic. I think that's more of what we're thinking Not specific recommendations And you can add a little bit more to that but sure Clarify that just giving the timing of the turnaround wanted to set some expectations about Our ability to come forward with well thought out recommendations could be a challenge But certainly would welcome the information that's been gathered from the community that we could build into that report Have initial thoughts related to that the timing implications It requirements for implementing that program will need to coordinate with our it staff to understand that And we can have a brief Set of information related to that as well as outreach That would dictate the timing as well in addition opportunity costs With the direction councils previously provided related to bringing back The options related to our rental inspection service and Seeking to get some prioritization from you related to that so that can relate to your strategic planning discussion as well so just Want to set some expectations with the the staff report actually being due in two days Reasonable expectations. Okay, so we have count. We'll go ahead and remind the community that We'll go ahead and refrain from comments at this time before we wrap up I think there was a comment Just one. I want to speak to the 4-3 vote on this. I think it's worth saying that That was based not on the intent and desire of the motion more strictly on the Timing and immediate workload, so I think it does not reflect the degree of division that was implied Okay All right, we'll go ahead and then close the item. Thank you, mr. Supos. Thank you staff Appreciate your work on this very much and you're in your trip to san to Santa Cruz from Sacramento Okay, so we'll go ahead and take maybe a two-minute transition break and Get back to our budget All right, Bonnie Okay, we'll go ahead and bring it back. We um, we are not done. We are not done yet for this evening We have to return to our earlier item item number 27, which is the We're nearly there in terms of the budget adoption. So We'll go ahead and ask that the council and the community Come back to session and then we'll turn it over to Marcus To bring us up to speed on where we left it and what we need to Finalize before we end tonight's meeting. Oh again, Marcus Pimentel your finance director We are close. So this is just recapping sort of the last motion sets that we were working on Motions three and four are done Motion two is no longer relevant based on the action that just occurred. So we're focused really on filling the Final questions for motion one, which is adopting a full fully balanced city budget And I do recognize that there were some other questions council members had Beyond some of just our logistics on getting a balanced budget So if you wouldn't mind we'll start with focusing on the balanced budget And I know there were some other questions and areas of concern that we wanted to explore afterwards So I'll go over to our revised version of our live model So these are kind of the four items that were dangling when we finished the afternoon session And I realized one of the first big questions we have after this is the first alarm that seemed to be a common concern Janice was identified as a placeholder there are I think some comments Related to that Prior afternoon session council opted to defund that and use that to fund the foster grandparent program First alarm private patrols. I have a little schedule that we can talk about that one We have just just an administrative action that was left out of increasing by 23,300 our contribution to the animal shelter services A jpa board that's just an administrative general fund increase And then there's an administrative water fund omitted $20,000 for a water purification project and they asked to have that Added to their budget. It comes out of their operating fund balance. So those are the four remaining budget actions remaining to go I might recommend Maybe starting with them in order and seeing what the janice discussion was and then we can pop into the First alarm discussion and review the level of interest council might have to restore or have a discussion around that program Okay, thank you or just take the easy ones in seven and eight first at my period Get some rhythm going whatever you like great. Let's do that. Is anybody interested in moving items number seven and eight Yes, okay. We've been motioned by councilor mathews. I'll go ahead and second that We did have public comment earlier on this item. So we're just sort of continuing the items There will be no public comment at this point. Um, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously So then we'll go back to items One and two or 16 and 19 and um, if I recall If councilor brown Please do Further elaborate, but if I recall your intention of having the money was really just to show our support But what you were suggesting is to have A more robust conversation about our relationship with Janice but also just our efforts around The opioid epidemic and and those types of services in general. And so you were feeling comfortable with Waiting for those conversations to take place before Doing any funding allocations at this time. Is that feel accurate to you? Okay Okay, does that Feel appropriate to the council councilmember govern? Oh, I just uh, I was the one that brought back c16 because we had replaced it Replaced it with the foster grandparents, but I requested to pull it and bring it back because Of the statement made by mr. Escalante about the criticism of the city not providing any content or compensation or support for janice, but then Talking about labor negotiations and or the relationship between janice and its workers so I just Wanted to reopen that conversation because Is it worth just 5400 dollars because that's a really Tiny amount compared to all the other stuff that we're talking about to still maintain that symbolic stance of wanting to support The substance use disorder and the workers and That kind of treatment so okay Councilor mathews. Yeah, I actually thought that was a kind of weirdly spurious comment on his part I don't believe we currently provide any kind of funding for janice Obviously, they are really important Treatment facility in our community. There are many many others. Some of them are supported in part through Our community programs grants Other others are supported through CDBG in some form so I think The time to have that much larger discussion is when we come up for the Core funding programs with the county The county is really the main consumer of their services So in my mind, I I totally support Putting foster grandparents in here at the $5,000 level and deferring the whole issue of how and At what level the city may support janice in the context of all the other support for other agencies Who also have probably many of the same issues. So that that's how I'd like to That's how I'd like to approach it I shared that council member ground. So I yeah, I concur with council member mathews Comments there and I would just add the In response to mr. Mr. Escalante's point just so we all are kind of clear about this the The city does not fund janice In part because of the core process that was established and the discussions that were Had About how the what the mix of city and county funding would be so I believe we did use to fund janice to some extent a small amount maybe and It all went to there. You know, maybe not janice in particular But some of the ones that where the county with the county and city split there was the reconfiguration So and the county does provide a significant funding to janice of Santa Cruz. So I think that It really is a conversation for a broader conversation to be had At a later date and hopefully not too much later. Okay. I completely agree. So it's maybe just not now But potentially after a longer a larger conversation and I just want to express that I hear the statements of all of my colleagues with regards to having the opportunity to have this conversation at a future time and the like I'm just a little And while I accept it I can move forward with that. I do just want to go on record and say that The issue of substance use disorder in our city is a huge issue It's important to a ton of people across the spectrum of political ideologies and 5400 dollars to make a symbolic Kind of just like yeah fist bump to janice I don't see the biggest fiscal impact of that right now in this budget right now for just 5400 dollars, but I hear it. So we'll can just we can pull that I guess, okay So for for another time. Do you need a motion? I don't think so. I don't do we need a motion? No, okay, so we'll go ahead and go to first alarm and see If there was any Um, I think how it was left if I recall was an interest in supporting particularly the areas that find first alarm incredibly valuable Like those that were expressed from the neighbors in the ocean street area Um, and what we could do to continue that support in that regard councilor mathias. What I'd like to do is take the 30 000 from oh no that we funded the community tv Let me see the um additional 25 000 for the heritage tree That we did not fund and the additional 30 000 for the tenant legal services which comes to 55 and allocate that for first alarm services To be Directed at the discretion of the police department according to specific neighborhood needs So that would be my motion And um, I'll say that I did talk at some length with the police chief I think we will not get to the level of designated First alarm service between certain hours on certain days that we have had in the past But I'm absolutely convinced that the availability of first alarm has made a A critical difference in certain neighborhoods at certain times and it has motivated and encouraged The residents in those neighborhoods to take an active part in Basically creating a sense of community and safety in their neighborhoods and I want to say specifically these are not rich protected gated communities these are working class low income heavily impacted communities that have Really felt over the years The brunt of a combination of forces so For that reason I think and I should also say in talking with the police chief Many businesses in these communities also hire their own security In our conversation we thought there was probably a lot of potential for police Deploying first alarm And in conversation with the businesses that are that are paying their own security To collaborate better and more effectively To everybody's increased benefit. So I think there's a lot of potential At this amount of money. We can still do something that's significant for the neighborhoods not just no Upper ocean but some in harvey west some in the beach area As as determine where the PD is going to determine it's most effective. So that that's kind of the backstory of The motion I'll second that and just for the sake of time concur with council member matthews I do want to point out though that I believe the heritage tree Funding was going to be used to restore the it help desk. So we can't use it for both purposes But nevertheless, I yeah And I'll know we have some available budget so that can draw from there and the 30 000 would also draw from Available budget great. Okay. Thank you At council member clever. Yeah, absolutely. So marcus just confirm with me that number at the top the 134 is the excess I wouldn't classify it that way when we're facing a three seven million shortfall and some reserves, but right It's the wiggle room, right that we have more or less. I know you're you're a fiscally responsible guy and you're just like no, but This is a example of the paradigm shift that I hope to see change in Santa Cruz We're not going to fund 5400 dollars in substance use services or support But we're going to spend 55 000 dollars on patrol and enforcement like That's dumbfounding to me because that makes no sense from the data if you look at data You are much more effective at preventative care than reactionary enforcement. So why in God's green earth Would we cut 5400 dollars of symbolic money to an organization And spend 55 000 dollars on a first alarm and I've had I had a great conversation with mr glenn who is the one that has written us many emails and messages about The situation on uh ocean street and from his reports frank sounds like an amazing person just all around Not to mention the work that he does with first alarm But does frank alone cost 55 000 dollars a year? What's frank's annual income? All I've forgotten a request for frank. Um, so I think that there's a values break here and I do not agree with this allocation of money And I do not agree with our approach to dealing with issues of substance use and enforcement So I cannot in good conscience Support this motion at all I'll just maybe say that I think what we're also seeing and I know it's not Stark in terms of our shifts, but we're not funding them at the level that we had in the past which was 250 000 I recall so it's just sort of that transition of A service that a community has or a neighborhood has gotten used to particularly one that's um felt impacted And find their services beneficial So it's a step in the right direction and an incremental step that I think um as government sometimes That's how we that's how we work and so hopefully we can Maybe move forward and then go from there. Okay council member mires vice mayor comings and then council member matthews and then council member glover I think it's important to clarify a little bit. I think about some of the some of the Feedback I got from from neighborhoods, which is um It's it's not A lot of it is is also dealing with some of the drug dealing and some other issues that have been a Identified in that neighborhood in particular. It's um working to make sure that Businesses and you know are able to you know maintain Their properties This is I don't think that we're funding we're not funding treatment and for We're not we're not choosing treatment to for We're not choosing first alarm over treatment. We're choosing first alarm because This neighborhood has um well documented um a variety of issues and They also have worked really hard as neighbors and as individuals to um bring A lot of stability to the neighborhood and they're seeking a way to continue working together with first alarm in that way so i'm not sure that comparing the two is um Is super beneficial in terms of of recognizing that this is a you know kind of a neighborhood sustainability issue And uh, so i'm going to support the motion after speaking to a lot of the neighbors over there and um, so i'll support The vice mayor coming to then council member matt I just wanted to and then comes just in the in the interest of time I'll just echo the I just want to echo the same sentiments expressed by council member mires that I think that There's been you know when we're thinking about an entire neighborhood A lot of folks have come out and expressed that This has been very helpful for them around a lot of issues with theft and And drug dealing in the neighborhoods and I don't want it And similarly I think that um the questions around Drug prevention and what we can do about that in a way that's really meaningful I think we should continue those conversations Which will include meeting with management of janice and also having further discussions with janice workers and then seeing how we can collaborate So i'll also be supporting this motion council member mathis No, okay done. Okay council member lever. Did you have additional comments or should I go ahead? Yeah, just a couple things that were mentioned So one was that it's a service for the neighborhood and that we've dramatically cut the contract Totally agree used to be 200 thousand 250 thousand dollars now. It's 50 thousand dollars That's definitely a shift I also want to acknowledge that I don't not think that that kind of I don't not think that that kind of um Feelings of safety for the community are Irrelevant I had like I said, I had a good conversation with mr. Glenn and he expressed just how important it is to have frank As a part. I'm just looking at this number up here with the 79 000 that is In the not extra but their category Which is why I'm just Distraught and this is what I said before I'm distraught that we're willing to spend this on this but not on the drug issues and What was also mentioned was that these neighborhoods are dealing with issues of drug dealing Which I think is interesting that we don't want to support services that will help people not use drugs, but we want to Pay for police representatives to enforce people's sale and or use of drugs So it it just doesn't make any sense to me. Um, and it's not that I don't appreciate a feeling of safety It's not that I don't appreciate the work that frank or the impact that it has on the communities And if it's possible With that extra, you know, we have that money. Let's do this funding for this but also give some money to Address issues of substance use disorder. I don't I don't see why it's either or but if no one None of my colleagues are willing to work with that and Adding stuff then again, I just won't support the motion But I just want to express that I really hope that this body whether it be in the Strategic planning session or over summer take a deep look within ourselves and ask ourselves What kind of policies are we wanting to pass? What kind of message do we want to send to the community? And is this it because I just don't agree with it, but that's me Okay councilor brown I just want to make the comment. Yeah, I seconded the motion. So I will be supporting it I absolutely understand the and and agree largely with the Comments that councilmember Glover makes. I mean, I I Also hope for a day when we can Really think more strategically and big picture about our funding priorities if we were talking in the case of janice if we were talking about a $50,000 grant for janice and We were talking about actually Providing them with a significant level of support that could actually expand their services and or provide Actual wage increases for a group of you know a classification job classification or something Then I'd be all for it. That's why I'm saying I think that we ought to have that conversation And I'm very much willing to have the conversation about what more we can do for janice in the future So it's not an indication of not wanting to support them This is just something that you know, I put forward as Gesture as a symbolic gesture. It wasn't a request from janice. It wasn't a request from the workers It was something that I Thought might be a way to provide that symbol like you said symbol or unlike I've said symbolic support So that being said I do want to talk about supporting janice in the future in larger ways in in broader ways And and support it and having a longer term bigger conversation about substance use disorder in our community So I don't disagree with anything Council member glever that you've said I just think we need to do that Not when we're finalizing the budget at 10 o'clock at night, I guess Okay, I agree. I appreciate your comments council member brown as well as your points raised council member glever And I will take advantage of my hand up previously Okay The place for that discussion to have is when we are talking and particularly with the county as it relates to health And and human services is what what is the big picture of needs and they are enormous in the county Who are the providers? What are the resources where can we make a meaningful contribution? What specifically are we getting for that contribution and we do that collaboratively with the county and with our non-profit and other funding partners Okay You're here. Okay. All those in favor. Please say aye. Aye opposed So that passes with council member brown vice mayor Cummings council member matthews council member mires and myself voting in support The motion was made by council member matthews seconded by council member brown Okay Okay I would be remiss as a finance director should not remind in the staff report that we identified four other very likely cost increases coming to this council They have harry west that has a net increase of about 400 000 that is not funded yet We always have a couple of capital projects Failures or needs that come up because we're not funding our capital improvement program. Those are generally 500 000 upwards We likely We're trending to higher increased legal services is more demand for legal analysis And finally we have a likelihood of a potent environmental cleanup some big costs that we know are coming We just don't know when and what the amount but they're going to be next year So you know that could be a million million five new stuff. We have to figure out. So that's just my caution of Um, I appreciate your comments about you got to do anything with the bigger picture in mind. Okay. Thank you for that bleak picture I'm sorry And I'll And I just want to Reflect that there were some other comments that came up Um during the afternoon that just want to flag maybe the appropriate what's appropriate to do is come back when there's more Capacity it's probably been a long night. What's been hot. We had mine up. I've been sleeping so well the last couple nights Um, but I do want to flag some items that were clearly in the need of coming up Now or to come back to council some more information We have vehicle purchases and I think Justin you talked about some ideas there Chris you had some You wanted to put a restriction on cpva w are generically. Sorry. I'm just picking who to talk first I'm not saying that's you know only your items and then we had some capital project Discussions that look like there was some interest in delving deeper into those projects Just because we're adopting on june 11th doesn't mean we can't come back to these on june 25th Or even postpone some of these items for budget action until say august our first august meeting There is some room To deal with some of these now or to come back on june 25th or the first meeting in august I think june 25th is likely to be really full So i'm not quite sure how to to build that into the agenda But if if the will of the council is to do that then at the cost of something else um I mean, I guess i'll just simply state that I think some of these items are really big discussion items that I don't feel comfortable taking action on it at this time personally um I don't fully understand what the without having kind of understanding the context of the 20 20,000 Constraints on although of course prioritize it, but I just don't haven't I don't have the context there So I don't feel comfortable making it so i'll just sort of set the stage with that I'm okay with not necessarily addressing these at this time I didn't have a chance to hear from vice mayor Cummings in terms of the vehicle purchase Um, and I have my glasses on but I think it's a staff consideration Anyhow, thank you. Okay. Okay, we'll go ahead and go to vice mayor Cummings councilmember brown um So looking at the new vehicles that are supposed to be purchased. I guess this can be information that might be able to come back with potential Action taken at a later point in time, but looking at the cost of operation. Um, there's some vehicles that Obviously, um in terms of maintenance are pretty much at the point where they need to be replaced and there's some where the maintenance costs are below $13,000 or $14,000 and so one of the questions I had for staff was For those vehicles that are below $14,000 whether or not they could They could be used for another year and Just looking at the caught the the savings on that it would be around if we Held off one more year on all vehicles whose costs of operations were below $14,000 We would have the savings of three hundred eight thousand five hundred dollars So just thinking about whether or not that might be an area of savings and additionally One of the things I was interested in and have been in correspondence With some of the folks in PD is ensuring that the police patrol vehicles are the new 2020 I think they're either hybrid or fully electric Ford explorers that are Hybrid yeah, you'd have to be so you can't run out just making sure that we're going to be focusing on purchasing those vehicles as opposed to fully You know cast combustion engines Yeah, we can look at that. We'll look at the information and bring it back to you Brown and then comes over I'm sorry today. Yeah, um, so I um, absolutely support, uh, the direction that councilmember Cummings just raised in terms of waiting on some vehicle purchases and um Looking at the hybrids for and I believe that as PD said that they they saw they literally saw the The announcement about it or the advertisements an hour after we they had told us that they didn't exist So technologies are moving so fast that I think it would be great if there are some that we can delay and see what happens And then do our best with the police department's looking at police vehicles Yes, so they'll acquire the hybrids and then with respect to that less We'll go through through it as well because the other thing are those all general fund vehicles Is it we but we you don't have to do it This is a list provided by public works. It's all the vehicles that were proposed for And so some of them could be could be enterprise funds and so the savings So we just have to go through it. So we would be happy to go through it with you and then bring it back Councilor mayors, I just have a question regarding the What's listed here is the downtown mixed use project So I think it's probably more accurately called the library project It says unfund fiscal year 2020 allocation and time until item returns Is that whose note is that I was just suggesting since I believe there's no immediate action to do anything with that project And it's got to come back to council I believe that there's there was some funding in there and I know our subcommittee actually Is going to be doing some work on I believe getting some renovation costs on the existing library So I don't know that we want to take all the money out of there because I think there will be some allocations I think I think right. I think it's an item for the subcommittee to to look at Okay, great. Okay. Thank you Marcus. So I think we've That all we can on this sentence. So thank you very much. We're officially adopted. We're balanced. Okay. We're set for next year Do we need a motion? I think we've motioned by motion did a motion by motion. Yep. See Okay comes from Matt. I would like to thank our finance director and department for their meticulous work and patience Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much And extend our thanks to Tracy. I'd say just for clarity purposes if we can just have a motion Proving the resolution that's in the staff report on that way. We just have clear because that's all that'll encompass all the actions that we did tonight So moved second right. Okay. So we have a motion by council member Brown seconded by council member Glover If you want to restate the motion for our clerk just a motion approving the resolution as submitted in the staff report Okay, great. Okay. Thank you very much. All those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Opposed Okay, that passes unanimously one final agenda item. That is the council calendar Um city clerk any updates there? I have nothing. Okay. Okay, great So moved Even though we have filled out the control for the most of it Exactly All right, so that will adjourn our meeting this evening and thank you for the remaining community members here and Yeah, have a good night