This is the art of charm learn everything you need to know to crush it in business Love and life the art of charm is where ordinary guys become extraordinary men Welcome to the art of charm I'm Jordan Harbinger if you're new to the show But you want to know more about what we teach here at the art of charm Listen to the art of charm toolbox at the art of charm podcast comm slash toolbox looking forward to meeting all you guys here at AOC All right, I just got a great listener email from Brooke ass. I won't say her last name She's at a high. I just started listening to your podcast and I'm all about it I love the idea of a show focused on self-improvement to the max Mastering oneself in all aspects of life to become the best person possible while making the world better one step at a time I have one minor issue though that still does not settle with me as I listen to the art of charm It actually almost turned me off from listening to the show completely at first And I thought I would make a suggestion for possible consideration in the future Throughout the art of charm in the very introduction to the episodes of the podcast to basically the entire marketing campaign Men how to become the best man is the addressed audience I am aware that the show focuses on improving dating situations from the hetero male perspective But even in those cases as with the majority of other topics concepts and classes you offer This school of thought is universal and applies to both male and female Regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity Myself, I guess one might say feminine queer female was even attracted to the idea of taking one of the art of charm courses But because talks about it cater so much towards men and masculinity I found myself feeling not welcome to even consider the idea to be charming cultured and confident is not a concept Solely meant for male mastery although again I'm aware the show is likely designed to offer the hetero male perspective on topics But even if that is the case your dating courses and empowerment will likely still apply to just about everyone regardless of the client's Specific relationship interest. I love what the show is teaching and I will definitely continue to be a regular listener because the subjects Really do apply to all demographics and genders But it would be nice and even likely bring larger client or consumer based to your products and programs if you eased up on addressing just men and hetero normativity saying things like get the girl you want and Possibly decided to not be as gender specific and talks about the show and in your courses I'm not saying to address women as well. I'm saying to address people I doubt in this case the rate of your male listeners will decline because again the show is great for everyone Keep up the great work. The art of charm really does help my 23 year old job hunting self walk out the door feeling a bit more Peppy and confident. Thank you, Brooke. Brooke first of all, thanks so much for the email. I really do appreciate it We really appreciate it, but I'm gonna stand firm here.  That's our audience Everybody's of course welcome to listen our programs However, the live programs in Los Angeles are for men Interested in meeting and attracting women and working on their business acumen and networking skills women are actually not allowed We have a residential program. We don't cater to women there at all We offer phone coaching for women and that's it that said we do Explain things from a hetero normal to use the word you want or a hetero male perspective That is exactly what the show is that is exactly what I speak on I can't speak for everyone and I feel like creating an audience that's more general We'll actually hurt what we're trying to do here.  You are welcome to be a part of it. However, you are not our core So I will continue to address men Especially straight men who are interested in doing what we want to do everybody else love you guys You're welcome to communicate. You're welcome to apply this. I'm glad that you do I'm glad that you do share and that you do love the show But we are going to stick to our core audience of heterosexual, you know regular Joe's just trying to level up And I'm not going to water that down Because I don't think it's doing anybody a service and something tells me you'll still be listening even if I say hey guys And not hey guys and girls. Thanks so much Brooke All right now on to the show. We're talking with former underground bar fighter Jesse elder This is like fight club for real really interesting story here What he learned about from nearly being killed in a fight and why we can't control our experience or the Experiences of others as well as separating the quote-unquote truth from what's useful and what actually works As well as learning about money and money mindsets to go from broke to multi-millionaire business owner Cultivating a real abundance mindset without going all woo-woo and creating and cultivating a balanced life and lifestyle Jesse elder enjoy You've done martial arts schools. You you did like an underground bar fight thing Which sounds kind of like fight club but way more dangerous Yeah, yeah, well in chronological order it started, you know, I was a kid taking martial arts loved it and Was blessed to have a series of instructors that as soon as they had some help They were more than happy to get out of the way and that taught me a lot of lessons as an entrepreneur later on but I was teaching when I was 15 and by the time I was 17 18 years old I was running all the classes and Really got the bug for competition and just loved. I just loved how binary it was you know, it wasn't like anybody's opinion you either one or you didn't and This is you know, the UFC was gaining in popularity And I was also a bouncer while I was teaching classes during the day at these after-school programs for karate I was a bouncer to try and pay the bills because I was a super super broke The club that I was working at started to have these fight nights on Thursday nights and they'd roll out literally would roll out like wrestling mats on the dance floor of this nightclub and Have a sign-up sheet for anybody that wanted to come fight And I thought this is one of those experiences that I I have a chance to look back on years from now and I don't want to regret Not having this life experience So I signed up and walked into the ring not having any clue what to expect Ended up having two fights that night ended up winning both of them and I was hooked So that was kind of how the the no holds barred Chapter came and went yeah, so wait a minute. How is that legal again? Or is it just they didn't go shit? Legal shmigel. Yeah. Are you in Canada? I feel like that would be legal in Canada because they're like, oh, it'll be fine You know up north when there's no other recreation.   Exactly. Well What's crazy is that I mean there was literally no rule So there's no time limit no weight division some of the matches. They didn't even have safety gear So it's just bare knuckle and it was an adventure. It was an adventure for sure seems legit And so I gotta ask did you lose ever because if you lost I mean that must have been pretty bad beginning bare knuckle beat down Yeah, I had there's two really good losses that I had one was To a legitimate submission and the guy got me in a pretty good heel hook and ripped my leg pretty good and totally fair and square I mean he was definitely the better man that night. And then another one is Definitely memorable. I'd fought all summer long and ended up winning pretty much every week.   Elder is because you know, your nose has moved over an inch to the wrong Direction when it's your nose any direction is the wrong direction. I Don't know if they told you that Exactly. He says your nose is messed up. You've got a concussion But the reason you're having a hard time breathing is because your left lung is collapsed You know, it's registering sort of I Didn't have any reference for that.    I'm by myself. I can see through the swinging doors like my family I mean my parents had come out to watch me fight my students and they were just all sick to their stomach over what happened and a couple of really interesting distinctions developed and one is that I realized that I can't control their experience and They're having their experience which is certainly connected to my experience, but it's still their experience It's an independent sensation that they're having and I realized that they get to have their experience and There's nothing in that moment that I could do about it. So there's a real kind of an interesting freedom there When I realized that I can't control What it is that they're feeling that only they can so in the meantime, let me focus on me You know what the hell is going on with me and I asked myself like literally in the hospital bed I asked myself how am I doing and I got back the weirdest answer.  I've done some reading, but the answer I get back is I'm fine Jordan it struck me dude I was laying there in this agony and I'm asking how am I doing and the answer I get back is I'm fine And I'm like, well, that's weird if I'm fine Well, who is the eye that got his ass beat and who's the eye that's fine and like in that moment It was one of those matrix moments where I realized that You know, I've identified myself for 21 22 years at that point I'd identified myself as my body and I realized in that moment in that hospital bed that I have a body But I'm not my body that I have Whoever I am Is this energy that animates that body and the moment that I die whenever that happens to be That energy will withdraw Like turning the light off, you know, you the bulb weighs the same or the lamp weighs the same It's just no longer animated by that electricity And like I got it like my body is the same thing. So my body can be totally beaten.  There's nothing like that. It was just like a human connection I started to have that experience increasingly And I just started seeing other people as much much more similar than they were dissimilar Trippy experience. Yeah, like a near-death type of realization I guess so I mean I've heard I've know I mean I've got plenty of friends of mine that have had a near-death experience and and uh, you know and other people that have had, you know, plenty of I guess you'd say hallucinogenic experiences And you know reality isn't all that it's cracked up to me. There's a whole lot more going on in our senses. Tell us Yeah, that's amazing And so you went from broke that you didn't stay broke long You started a business that started to crush it Was that as a result of some of the things that you'd learned in the way that you started to see the world? Yeah, yeah, I've perfectly said because that I came out of that and that was like Summer I taught a little more Over the next year or so and then I opened my school About a year after that.   Yeah, mine is the accent. That's pretty much what happened unbelievable That is so insane. That is insanity. Well, let's let we'll jump on that I the club that I bounced at a good friend of mine. Lou was a bar back And he was just a total enthusiast. He came out to watch all my fights. We're really good friends And I was completely Infatuated with jujitsu because really not a lot of guys were doing it in these fights And I was taking every opportunity to go and study and learn and I would Get off of work and drive up to Dallas and do a seminar You know with hoist gracey back in the day and so that was actually a really early experience for me of the power of self education because You know 300 bucks on a seminar and I'd come back and I'd win a couple hundred bucks and get my money back So, you know, it's kind of a interesting time But I was talking to lou and he said, hey, I know you really like jujitsu But you know my girlfriend takes classes with this other guy in town and he said that jujitsu is a bunch of shit And it doesn't work And I remember clearly my response and lou and I have had lots of conversations about that since then and I said That's cool. It's not for everybody. He's entitled his opinion I'm entitled to mine And I I like it. So I'm gonna keep doing it Well, lou passed that on to his girlfriend who passed it on to her instructor and by the time it got to her instructor It was something like hey, my boyfriend's buddy who's a bouncer says the jujitsu will whip anybody Yeah, and so that back and forth happened a couple of times and finally it got back to me that the guy had said That if I wanted to fight him he'd fight me And at that time I thought you know what this is just the phase of my life that I'm in right now I guess so you tell me when and where So the guy actually said we'll come to my school and you know, we'll find out so It was really interesting because the night that I took off I took off work as a bouncer to go and answer this challenge It was really interesting because every other bouncer took off work that night as well And so they all came out to watch this Whatever was going to happen happen A friend of mine from austin at that time came down to san antonio where all this is happening So like eight of us walk into this guy's school and he's teaching class and he's you know kind of pontificating about The dynamics of the angle and all this kind of stuff and the guy was a legitimately good martial artist But he was a shitty fighter and that's just like So common, you know, there's so many people and not just martial arts.  Yeah, that's so true That's crazy same for my industry by the way. Oh, man.  And all my buddies pointed me standing in the corner And like he's got a question and I just raised my hand and said, yeah, I guess my question is what if somebody takes you to the ground They mount you they're on top of you. They start punching you in the face and there's nothing you can do about it That's my question And he said well It's very hard to take somebody to the ground if they know how to defend and blah blah blah He starts going through all these other you know really technically Complex movements, which is cool.  It just it's not going to be the same So I said that's cool. That's a great answer, but you didn't answer my question My question is what if somebody takes you down is mounted on top if you punch you in the face And there's nothing you can do what do you do then? And he looked at me says well does anybody want to try and again all my buddies pointed me so I go out on the mat and We go at it And a few seconds later. I've got him in a choke. He's tapping out He says well anybody can do that one time and I said I'll do it as many times as you like Let's go again. So we go again. I tapped him out again and it was just one of those I don't think I would respond this I certainly wouldn't respond the same way today But there was one of those moments in time where You know what? This is just what's gonna happen. Yeah, I mean it's funny that he said anybody can do that one time because as far as I know After you get choked out and you die, they don't have to do that again if they want to kill you It's true. That's true exactly Hey guys, I want to take a quick break for a second here You've heard me talk a lot about taking you to the next level in life at work and in your relationships And you've probably also thought to yourself. Yeah, I want to my game I want to become a better man a better boyfriend or husband and a better person And my guess is that you've been thinking about this for a long time. Am I right? Well, I'm here to tell you this Stop thinking your chance is now. Do you really need more time? More information and more plans for the future Or do you want to become that guy today? Because the truth is this You can be the guy who sits around and thinks about becoming better and there's plenty of those guys out there Or you can be the guy who decides that today is the day you're going to do something amazing And I want that for you Why because you've already got what it takes the potential is there even if you don't know it yet Join me and thousands of other guys who've taken action in their lives at the art of charm Call or email us and we'll see if the art of charm can help you with your personal relationship and business challenges. All right back to the show Wow, and yeah, I used to take martial arts and I was like there were these guys who were like No, I know praying mantis stance and I would be like, what if you get kicked in the nuts And they're like Well, I that won't happen because of my lightning reflexes. I'm like, whatever. You've never been kicked in the nuts, obviously You know exactly.   The reason I stopped taking the stand-up okinawan karate that I was taking was because I worked as a bouncer for four years Shortly after that's and it's funny.  I didn't train for that one That was not on my green belt test I missed that day Yeah, you know and it's like, oh, there's a guy who's 300 pounds and he's six foot six You need to make sure he's downstairs and out the front door before he hurts somebody and I'm like I don't know if you got the memo or if you are blinder than a bat But I am a five foot nine white guy and I weigh about 160 pounds back then You know, I wish I weighed that now and it's like, uh, I might need help Like can we have six or seven guys up here to help me get rid of this guy? And you know, you don't always have that luxury, you know If you're by yourself and somebody's acting up and throwing bottles at girls or something You've got to make sure that he slips and falls down the stairs because that's what small people do When they got to get rid of big people you got physics on your side. Yes, exactly. So Yeah, a long time ago, you know past life type thing. I was sure I'm 34 now I probably stopped probably by the time I was old enough to drink I was about wrapping that up, you know But yeah, it's funny because I saw tons of those guys that were like Oh, you know, that would never happen and blah, blah, blah And then it was like the FBI said 98% of fights in the street end up on the ground And then there was the Jiu Jitsu guys like see we knew that and then They're karate guys are like, what happens if you get attacked by multiple opponents? Then you're in trouble, you know, it's just like back and forth But it was all intellectual debate and it was like go ahead and Fight each other in groups and see who's left at the end.  Well, this is the true way this is the true way to market This is the true way to get a girl's number. This is the true way to worship god There's so many true ways. My position is I'm much less concerned with what's true than what's useful And to me that's the acid test.  So what are you teaching now? What are you teaching men now or people now? Yeah, um, it's been a totally organic process man. I you know after I did those fights I opened that school and I didn't know anything about marketing or selling I just knew how to train and teach and I loved it and I loved seeing the transformation happen for people And somewhere in the back of my mind. I knew that martial arts was a vehicle For this and that was where we built our school on You know, we didn't build our school based on who was you know, the baddest fighter and all that stuff We built it based on life skills and we built it based on helping people to get from wherever they are in their life To wherever they want to be and giving them tools to upgrade their confidence and upgrade their Perspective on life and it started affecting everything their relationships and their physical health and their income and now we had really just awesome people and I reached a point where I taught about almost 18,000 classes in physical training and sales and marketing training for our staff and I reached a point a couple years ago where I was literally in the desert at burning man And I had this like total epiphany I'm laying on my back the sun is shining the sky's blue and I realized I was done You know, we built that one school up to eight schools We had a consulting company that was attached to that So we were teaching other people in the industry and I just realized I was done and I just wanted to just work with people outside of the Not confines because it's an incredible vehicle, but I just was done with martial arts in that capacity So I sold my schools to a partner and Just began coaching and I started coaching friends of mine who are entrepreneurs And then that developed into one day I just grabbed my phone and I shot a video put it on facebook The video was called 70 seconds to self mastery and I just shot it forgot about it just felt good to share And I I opened my browser the next morning and it's got like 250 shares and people loved it And I had like there was more shares than I had friends I mean, I just I wasn't a big facebook person But people really resonated with the message and I realized that holy shit like this is This is the time, you know now is the time to go with this and it's not about business It's not about whether or not you're an entrepreneur or you're you've already got a six figure a month business Which is who I'd been coaching This is about people this is about human factor and it's about people Upgrading their life. That's what ended up developing. I developed an online course promoted it through facebook We had 55 people signed up through private messages like terrible funnel system No Optin it was terrible like by the way if you're coaching people on business I hope you've improved that aspect of your business by now because that's the worst way to sell anything Yeah, yeah, it was it was totally totally like grassroots Like I was pming people at like four o'clock in the morning like I can't wait to teach you It's gonna be awesome. And then I finished it. I look back. I'm like, you know, there's probably a better way to do this But you know, it reminds me of the art of charm home of beginnings, right? Like guys writing in and going, hey, can you help me with this and me being like, yeah, I guess You know, you should pay me though Do you want to mail a check or you want to like pay pal me some money? And they'd be like, oh, let me get back to you and then a month later They're like, yeah, I guess I'll write you a check and then they'd mail it And it would take three weeks to get there, you know from the other side of the world or something Or the other side of the country So funny And I'd go and cash it and then I'd get on the phone with them and yeah We should probably systemize this and even when we started our bootcamp seven years ago We had Guys would come in and be like, hey, and we'd be like, oh, we totally didn't know that guy was coming And and guys would show up and be like, hey, I'm Curtis from Canada and we're like, oh Curtis from Canada's here guys And then he's like, you didn't really know I was coming, did you and we're like Of course we did You're by the way, you're the only student for bootcamp this week And he's like, I'm only here for the weekend and we're like, yeah, that's what I meant, you know And that's like whatever it probably lessons. Yeah And now of course seven years later We've got like an actual school in a training facility and everything is systemized and looking back on that I'm like, how dumb were we?  So what's some of the things that you're teaching? I mean, what are you teaching guys? Do you have a money habit or something that changed in your mind? Because when you're broke, it's not necessarily just because you're not earning enough money A lot of times there's a mindset issue there And then when you get a lot of money, I know a lot of people that make millions of dollars that are still broke Because they're totally ridiculous with their finances and they can't they can't they could buy a Ferrari In cash one day, and then the next day they're going, hey, man, you have any gas money I can't put any they can't put any money in their Ferrari.  This is how you greet people when they're coming in And so I was lucky to have a couple of mentors and at the time, you know, growing up without very much money A lot of love and a lot of support but not very much money That was something that was really important to me or I thought it was And so I set a target that I'm going to make a hundred thousand dollars a year It took about two two and a half years after I opened the school But I just I didn't have a plan B. I didn't have a anything else to distract me And I wasn't dating anybody. I didn't really have any Social life really it was just total immersion in the business And I just wanted to make as many mistakes as possible and you know a couple years later The school is doing really well and I was doing a hundred thousand dollars a year in the business and then I Shortly after that, I was able to net that much and keep it And then we set the target to do a hundred thousand and a quarter then we hit that and then it was a hundred thousand a month and When I sold the schools, we were on the way to do in a hundred thousand a week And you know that hundred thousand number was always kind of magical But if there's one breakthrough it's that I just started tracking What was important to me? And this is the core part of what I teach now whether it's in relationships or whether it's health or whether it's meditation Or whether it's money. There's something called piercings law and piercings law states that which is measured improves That which is measured and recorded Improves exponentially So my staff and I just started just getting absolutely religious about Where we're at for the day and setting these daily targets and you know just with an understanding that The money's there that is not a question of is there enough money? It's not a question of that the question is now the money is just in the wrong account It's in the account of the people that we haven't served yet And the only reason it's still in their account and not in ours is because we haven't demonstrated our value We haven't proven ourselves And until we prove that the best use of that money is to invest in themselves And what we have to offer we don't deserve the money in the first place So let's go out there and start proving it and that was really our culture Excellent that makes a lot of sense and it's very positive as well instead of like An adversarial relationship and things like that that a lot of new business guys have especially as well Yeah, and that's a scarcity-based mindset and and really I mean that's the same thing translates to guys who You know trying to understand women or trying to understand relationships and I just took the same approach when I found myself single after 11 years of marriage And I realized that I'd never really had I never dated like I never really went out very much, you know, I was super shy as a teenager Got a lot of recognition as a fighter and as a teacher, but socially I was completely awkward And I got married into a wonderful woman and then after 11 years Wasn't as wonderful anymore. I realized that there were some fundamental things that That I wasn't paying attention to wasn't looking at and we just decided to part ways and I found myself single With all of this skill set of communicating to people and building value-based relationships and all of a sudden You know, you wake up and you're like you remember spider-man when you know, he woke up after being bitten by the spider Yeah, and he's like no longer a skinny weak nerd and he's looking at himself in the mirror.  Like I just love people in general and I started to have conversations with women that were extremely candid that were completely authentic and I would just Approach a woman and I would say hey, I'm jesse. What's your name? And we'd start talking and if it seemed like there was some chemistry or some attraction I would simply say here's the deal like I I came up to talk to you because you look like an interesting person And I'd like to see the world through your eyes for a little while That being said I like me plenty So whether you also like me or not is not that important to me, right, right? And it really just became this totally merit-based approach and You know, I ended up meeting a lot of just amazing women and having some fantastic connections and You know in some cases introducing them to friends of mine who were more of what they were actually looking for sure And there's just no need to play games, you know that this whole, you know, battle of the sexes is totally False it's completely fabricated. There's no need to battle Let's take a quick time out for a sec Some people think the art of charm live training programs are just about picking up girls And honestly, there's some of that one week with us and you'll be rocking out in that department. I promise But as a guy, I know how important it is to be awesome and well-rounded and not just awesome with girls You got to be awesome at work awesome at home and awesome with your friends and family guys We need to step it up everywhere and that's why we call our company the art of charm That's special something that gets you results wherever you go and trust me the results are real Every day I get new emails and calls from the guys who've decided to take our live training programs And what I hear is simply amazing. Just weeks after graduating they lined up promotion They form a new wolf pack and they start a new business or find a partner They have a new life and it's not an accident Call or email us and we'll see what the art of charm live training programs can do for you Now back to the good stuff Yeah, and it sounds like you went from the battling for essentially the scarcity mindset to Basically self-realization, of course when you almost died slash got your butt kicked and a sort of natural abundance that actually exists and it took me a long time to realize this as well And it's all I feel like I'm always peeling layers off of that too where I'm like Oh, I gotta hustle and get that money and then it's like, oh, there's plenty of that Gotta go out there hustle and get those girls.  There's so much going on. It doesn't matter You're not going to miss anything, you know, it's just one thing After the other after the other and it's helped me become a lot less Competitive in areas where it doesn't matter and have a lot more fun and realize there's just like Like you and I were saying before offline There's more money sex power and positivity and influence positive influence when guys start to get this But it is tricky. Some of us have to be beaten within inches of our lives to get there Other guys have to work for 10 years to get there. You know what I mean? It's not something most people wake up. I'll a spider-man and realize Well, you just put it perfectly. There is plenty You know, if we can just accept that and we can just even if you don't accept it If you can just suspend your disbelief long enough To try that on for size I mean the culture in society just does terrible things to women But it does it fucks guys over too and you know, many women end up responding to society's narrative Instead of who they are authentically And the cool part though is it only takes one person It only takes one conscious person in the entire bar or the entire restaurant or the entire club or whatever It only takes one conscious person to relate to people authentically For them to really get it and it's man. That's a beautiful gift that you actually can give people I think the thing that's important and this stuff matters because everything you need is already in you and there's a lot of People out there that think I need more resources or I need Things to add on to my personality and that's why we say at the art of charm that this is all A subtractive process. So it's not about it's not about adding a cool guy persona on and adding cool guy clothes And adding muscles so you look, you know strong and tough and adding on cool tats If they're not part of who you actually are and you know doing weird things with your hair and getting lots of joy It's about taking away insecurity taking away Doubt and and self-doubt especially and taking away bad belief systems that aren't serving you that you've had for 20 years because of something that literally happened in high school or even earlier And a lot of people are laughing right now, but it's true You can get rejected or embarrassed by a girl in third grade and when you're 30 it's still fucking with your mojo Yeah, yeah, it will if you let it. There's no question I'm like sitting here on the phone. I'm just like nodding my head like yes. Yes.  What's hard is pretending to be something that you're not What's hard is having people accept that facade And having to keep it up because if you start showing who you really are they might not like you because that's not who they really know So it takes balls, man. It takes courage genuine courage To say hey, this is me and I like me plenty So whether you also like me or not is not that important to me And this is what I found and I'm sure that you found the exact same thing in your experience is that when you can completely and totally 100% accept yourself When you can accept yourself as you are who you are right now And you can accept that unconditionally Then that's actually a foundation for self-love If you can accept yourself as you are then you can begin to love yourself as you are And when we can love ourselves as we are Then it opens up this incredible space for Something that that I would call need Free connection. Well, we we can connect with people In a way that we have zero need to manipulate them and we are completely immune to any attempt For someone to try and manipulate us. Yes. Yes, I agree. And I think that's a huge element of the differences between a man and merely an adult human male Damn, dude, I just Said that same thing this last week in a training. Dude, that's uncanny.  There's neediness there There's baggage there that's causing this person to need to manipulate others to be manipulated by others And it's just it's really unmanly and I don't mean that in like the chest beating sense.   How do I get laid?   I love that.  I appreciate that. I appreciate you as well Is there some concept that you want to hit on or wrap with or something like that? You know, we've touched on a lot of things and I'm sure this is people are going to want to go back and refer to Because there was a lot of data points and a lot of nuggets I do share a concept which is super accessible for people But it just reinforces kind of everything that we're talking about So we'll kind of encapsulate the conversation in this I teach a concept called the triad and the triad is If you imagine a triangle and at the top of the triangle you have physicality And by physicality that means your your physical body You know your your health and your vitality. It also means your physical So the home that you live in the space that you occupy The vehicle or vehicles that you have if you have them your clothes your appearance That's all at the top part of the triad. That's your physicality The bottom right hand side when we're doing this live we draw Heart and that's your connection with other human beings that you share this Planet with and that may be a significant other if that's a space you're in You know, maybe one lover that you are just completely focusing your energy on it It may be a lot of lovers But it doesn't just have to do with intimate relationships It's also your family which is a different kind of intimacy and it's your friends And it's your employer or your employees. It's your customers clients all the people that you come into contact with That's the second part of the triad and that's an equally important part of your life And then over on the left hand lower part of the triad Draw dollar sign, uh, although I did have a guy in a training who drew, uh, you know, the bitcoin logo So that's on it. Yeah, whatever prosperity means to you financially. That's the third part and then in the middle I draw an infinity symbol But I've had people draw across if they come from a christian background Or I've had people draw star of david.  That's cool And there's not one better than the other So If we look at this visual now and you know people can kind of you know construct this for themselves At the top you've got physicality on the lower right hand side You've got your heart connections and your people and on the lower left hand side You've got your money and in the very center you've got your connection with source energy with god with the universe The main lesson is that these areas of your life are all completely connected You experience abundance in one you can experience abundance in all And there's not one of these areas that's more important than all of them And success in life comes from progressing in each of those areas Simultaneously not at the expense of another and so you'll see this happen Constantly where people will go into business for example make some money chase the launch chase the ipo Just get started, you know try and hit their sales goals But at the expense of their relationships or at the expense of their health or at the expense of their Spirituality or whatever they call their connection to non physical Energy and they justify it and society justifies it by saying well, you know He's a son of a bitch and he's broke and he's fat as shit But man that kind knows how to make money and people justify it and i'm here to say that's bullshit If you're only experiencing abundance in one or two or even three areas when you could and should be Experiencing it at all four simultaneously if somebody settles For abundance in one or two areas.  I mean the dude is rich.   I don't care if he's got 10 billion dollars Right, right So for me, it's just like you are not just your bank account You are not just your facebook I mean imagine if Reverse that take the money aspect out and put something else how many twitter followers you have or something What if somebody like somebody like rapes someone and they're like, I don't know though He's got like 800,000 twitter followers I know like that justifies it unbelievable and there's no reason not to have it all there really isn't Not in today's day and age where we know that it's bad for you to focus on one thing only I mean we know this we can prove with science that Stress and all these things will kill you and that you're not happier with a certain level of money after What is it like 68,000 bucks is like the top rung of happiness and everything after that's like a Super tiny marginal increase in lifestyle. I mean we know these things You know and we see the science behind the studies and yet people will still do it And I know that old habits die hard But hopefully here we can sort of shed the light on that and and help people think in a different way Thank you very much for that the feeling is totally mutual man And money just makes us more of who we are and the more we have the more we can the more we can be And more choices we get Well, thanks so much. Jesse elder people can find you at the show notes We'll be linking up Jesse elder calm Much appreciated brother both ways man. This is absolutely been a pleasure and can't wait to see your journey continue to unfold You're helping a lot of people man All right guys, I hope you enjoyed that really interesting underground bar fight type deal and almost dying in a fight. No, thanks I really liked separating the truth from what's useful and what actually works not just in terms of martial arts But doing this and applying this across our lives, especially in business And learning about money and these money mindsets to go from how he went from broke To multi-millionaire business owner. That's a mindset shift. I think a lot of us need to make it took me a long time to make these mindset shifts myself As well as cultivating that real legit abundance mindset without being super woo-woo about it But actually having that and putting that into play in a very practical way and creating and cultivating that balanced life and lifestyle More from jesse at jesse elder calm now. Let's wrap with a fashion tip from erin marino Due to popular demand. 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As far as lapels are concerned go with the notch lapel It's going to be the safest you're going to be able to wear that suit now You're going to be wearing wearing that suit in five years from now two buttons is is my standard rule Excellent and what about ticket pockets?  Excellent for more from erin marino search for alpha m on youtube or go to imalpha m.com Solid show as usual if I do say so myself show feedback and guest suggestions We rely on you guys to help keep our finger on the pulse So if you know someone who's a good fit for the show, let us know at jordan h at the art of charm dot com Boot camp details. 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Hi Ian, how are you all today? The question says is 3 factorial plus 4 factorial is equal to 7 factorial. We know that factorial is equal to multiplying all the natural numbers from 1 to n. That will be 1 multiplied by 2 multiplied by 3 multiplied by 4 multiplied by n minus 1. That is the number that is before n multiplied by n. Similarly, we will be finding out first of all 3 factorial, then 4 factorial, then we will find out there is sum. And then we will see that whether that sum is equal to 7 factorial or not. So these are the 4 steps which we need to do. Let us find it out. 3 factorial means 1 multiplied by 2 multiplied by 3 that gives us 6, right? 4 factorial means exactly multiplying all natural numbers from 1 to 4 that gives us 24. Now we need to add that is 3 factorial is 6, 4 factorial is 24, 6 plus 24 gives us 30. Now let us see whether this is equal to 7 factorial or not. 7 factorial is multiplying all natural numbers from 1 to 7. And the answer of their multiplication comes out to be 5040. So what we can say in the end, we can say that we find that 3 factorial plus 4 factorial is not equal to 7 factorial. So, final answer is no and the sum of 3 factorial plus 4 factorial was 30, right? So this is our required answer. I hope you enjoyed the session. Do remember, firstly you need to find out 3 factorial, then 4 factorial, 7 factorial, there is sum and then you need to see whether 3 factorial plus 4 factorial is equal to the answer of 7 factorial or not. So, bye for now.


Welcome to Hawaii Together on the Think Tech Hawaii Broadcast Network. I'm Kelea Akina, the president of the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii, where we believe in defending our fundamental freedoms. One of those freedoms is the right to speech, free speech. We believe in that deeply and we understand it. But did you know we also have a right to use and treat our bodies in the way we want to be treated? But that is something that comes up against federal regulation when it comes to the use of prescription drugs, both in terms of their cost and their availability. I've got an expert with me today who understands this issue and is doing some pioneer work in helping people to think it through and develop good policy. His name is Dr. Jeffrey A. Singer. He operates a clinic for general surgery in Phoenix, Arizona. He's very well known in terms of his work in his field. But he's also a public policy expert and a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and works with various think tanks and other policy organizations to come up with better policies in terms of medicine for the medical profession and for consumers, which happen to be patients. I'd like to welcome Jeff Singer to our program today. Jeff, welcome to Hawaii Together today. Aloha. Aloha. I wish I could be there physically. Yes, I wish you could be here. As you see beautiful Waikiki Beach and Honolulu behind me.  You've done a lot of work in terms of the rights of individuals to use the kinds of prescriptions that they deem that are worthwhile for them as patients. But we seem to have a problem in this country in terms of their availability due to federal regulation. What kinds of problems do we have? Well, first of all, ever since believe it or not 1951, most people are unaware of this, ever since 1951, the Food and Drug Administration was given the authority to decide what drugs can be prescription only and what drugs are over the counter. Previously, prior to that time, the Food and Drug Administration was only concerned with making sure that drugs that were being brought to market were safe. And whether or not the drug would be available by prescription only was a decision that would be made by the drug maker. Sometimes they decide that it's complicated and they didn't want to take the liability risk to have the drug available over the counter. So they would say to the drugist that you can only give this to a customer if they have a prescription. But other times that wasn't the case. So people would get a prescription from their physician. They would consult with the pharmacist as well, who is very knowledgeable, sometimes more knowledgeable than physicians on drugs and drug interactions, and then they'd make their own decision as to what was best for them. That power was taken away by the federal government in 1951. So now the FDA decides what's over the counter and what's prescription only. As a rule, when drugs are prescription only, they cost a lot more than they become once they are switched to over the counter. Without history, when drugs have been reclassified to over the counter from prescription only by the FDA, you could see the prices drop dramatically. They become subject to a competition from like products and consumers do what consumers do, which is a comparison shop. They ask a lot of questions. And also when drugs are prescription only, that raises costs in other ways. For example, in most cases, you can't get the drug unless you take time off from work, get an appointment with a doctor, maybe spend a couple hours doing that, and then have to pay the doctor's fee to get the prescription. So there are costs to the patient in terms of possibly unnecessary visits to, what amounts to a government-approved gatekeeper, a licensed physician, to give you permission to get a drug. And that's an extra cost. Jeff, it sounds like there are at least two problems. One you've highlighted, which is the higher cost of getting prescription drugs because of federal regulation. But also, isn't there the problem that patients may not have the choices that they should have in terms of how they need to be treated because all of this must be regulated by a physician? That's true. They're not allowed to make their own decisions. Most people are unaware. This is kind of sad today, but the right to self-medicate has been considered a sacred right going back to basically to be any other founding. In fact, Thomas Jefferson, when he's once trying to describe to an audience why the right to free speech must be taken seriously as a sacred right. He actually said it's as sacred as the right to self-medicate, to illustrate to the audience how important it was. And it was only recently that people have kind of become accustomed to having to ask another adult for a permission slip in order to medicate yourself and make your own decisions about what you want to put into your own body. In fact, when the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act was passed in 1938 prior to that 1951 action I was telling you about, it actually said in there, nothing in this act is intended to infringe upon the right to self-medicate. The intention of this act is only intended to make self-medication safer. About the turn of the 20th century, people started to come to accept as another tenant of autonomy the right to inform consent. Now today, nobody would even imagine not accepting the right to inform consent. That's basically a pillar of medical ethics. Everyone agrees about this. Jeff, why don't you for a moment here define for us exactly what is meant by the right to inform consent? And how it relates to the right to self-medication. Okay, well, the best way to illustrate it is with the very famous case that led to the establishment of it in law. Back in the early 20th century, 19, I think it was 1908, a woman in New York state named Mary Shloendorf gave permission to her doctors to examine her under anesthesia but explicitly said, if you find anything, I do not want you to operate on me.  I want to discuss it with you. I do not give you permission to operate on me. The doctors examined her under anesthesia and they felt a tumor of the uterus and they proceeded to perform a hysterectomy. And she had complications from that surgery. She sued the doctors in the hospital for assault. She said, I didn't give you permission and this was assault. And the judge in the case, Benjamin Cardozo later became a Supreme Court justice, actually said that this is a fundamental right to inform consent that a person owns their own body and no one has the right to do anything to that person's body without that person's consent. But believe it or not, it wasn't until the latter part of the 20th century that that became kind of the accepted way. In fact, as recently as when I was in medical school, there were cancer specialists in the 1970s who would intentionally not tell their own patient that they had cancer because they thought it might make them too emotional and unable to cooperate in the treatment, to tell their loved ones and keep their own patient in the dark, which was not informed consent. Nowadays, everyone agrees that's medically unethical. Well, I think that we have a word for this. It's called paternalism, whether it's the physician practicing this paternalism or as the agent of the state, the state practicing paternalism. Let me play devil's advocate for a moment, Jeff, though. Sure. The argument goes that if you just let people make their own decisions in regard to their health, they don't have the education, the background, the knowledge, the experience with which to make good decisions. Therefore, the state should prevent them from making those decisions and vest that only in the hands of physicians. How do you respond to that? Well, just on a moral level, I just think that's immoral. Everyone owns their own body and has a right to decide what they want to do with their own body. So just on a moral level, but also looking at it from a different angle, other people who are suddenly becoming your keepers who are telling you what you can and cannot do, they're not infallible either. I mean, I'm a doctor and I could tell you with all honesty, we make mistakes. That's why we have malpractice cases, for example. And there's some doctors who are unethical. So the notion that picking another person to make decisions for you is in your best interest, I think that unless you're a child and you haven't developed yet to maturity where you can make your own decisions or you have cognitive impairment, then of course we can make exceptions and have guardians appointed. And the other thing is that there's actually empiric evidence that when people make their own decisions, they tend to be much more careful than when they get decisions made for them by a physician. For example, there was a well-known study done birth control pills as an example, okay? Birth control pills are prescription-only in the United States. In 102 countries, they're available over the counter. The American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, as well as the American Academy of Family Practice, for over 20 years have been urging the Food and Drug Administration to make them available over the counter. Some states, including Hawaii, I guess we'll talk about that a little later, have come up with workarounds to make it a little easier for women to get it. But the fact is here you got specialists who have a vested interest actually, economically, in wanting to have people be required to come to them to pay them for a prescription and for an exam, and they're saying you don't need this. You should be able to get it over the counter, but it's still prescription-only in the United States. So at the University of Washington, Seattle, they did a study where they asked women to fill out a questionnaire, a self-screening questionnaire to decide whether or not they think they are a good candidate or a bad candidate to go on oral contraceptives. And what they found is the women were in agreement with the doctors 90% of the time. The 10% of the time the women weren't in agreement with the doctors, it's because the women were actually more conservative than the doctors were. The doctors said it was okay when women actually said it's not okay. And generally, as a rule, there have been a lot of evidence to suggest that when people are making their own decisions, I know when I am, when I go myself to, I don't know every single drug that exists and all of the risks and benefits. So when I purchase over the counter from a pharmacy, I read the labels. I avail myself of information on the internet. I ask the pharmacist who knows a lot about medications. I prescribe medications. I'm a doctor. It's not unusual for me to get a phone call from a pharmacist. So what you're basically saying is that fundamentally there is a right to make your own decision. And when people are allowed to make their own decisions, they tend statistically to make good decisions. And, and also they tend statistically when the doctor is making the decisions, they tend not to do as much due diligence because they assume, well, the doctor is the expert. If he's prescribing this, then I guess it's okay. And I could, I, I'll admit there been, it's not that uncommon for me even. I'll get a phone call from a pharmacist where I prescribed, let's say an antibiotic for one of my surgical patients with an infection. And the pharmacist will phone me at the office and say, you know, I noticed you prescribed this antibiotic.  I really advise that you don't use this antibiotic. And I'm not aware of that because the pharmacist is actually their experts. They're more knowledgeable. So sometimes when that happens, they'll say, Oh, thank you so much for letting me know that. Then let's switch to something safer. And I'll ask, how about this one? Is this okay? Yeah, that one's safe. So this happens all the time. Well, so the point is, had that pharmacist not called me, my patient would have just taken my word for it. I mean, I'm not going to prescribe something dangerous. I'm a doctor. And that patient could have taken something dangerous. So in general, not only is it moral for people to have the right to make their own decisions about their own health and their own bodies, but it's also just from a practical standpoint, when they're responsible for the decisions about their own bodies, they're much more careful than they otherwise are when they have a tendency, understandably, to kind of put themselves in the hands of this so-called expert who is paternalistic. Well, that makes a lot of sense, Jeff. We're going to go to a break quickly, but basically to sum up, there's a moral imperative that people have to medicate themselves as they see fit. And in addition to that, they have the right to inform consent so that things aren't done to them that they're unaware of. When we come back, I want to ask you about the nuts and bolts in terms of how we can implement a fairer regime in terms of getting people the right to exercise their self-medication. And don't go away. You and I may not be able to hear each other during the break, Jeff, but the audience will have some very important announcements and we'll be back on Think Tech Hawaii's Hawaii Together in just one minute. Don't go away. Aloha. My name is Wendy Lowe, and I want you to join me as we take our health back. On my show, all we do is talk about things in everyday life, in Hawaii or abroad. I have guests on board that will just talk about different aspects of health in every way, whether it's medical health, nutritional health, diabetic health. You name it, we'll talk about it. Even financial health. We'll even have some of the Miss Hawaii's on board and some of the different topics that I feel will make your health and your lifestyle a lot better. So come join me. I welcome you to take your health back. Mahalo. Aloha, Stan, the energy man here. You can see me every Tuesday at 3 p.m. here on Think Tech Hawaii. We're not on Friday anymore, so don't be looking for me on Friday. I'm on Tuesday at 3 p.m. here on Think Tech, coming to you live and direct from the beautiful studios in downtown Honolulu's Pioneer Plaza. So please join me, and we'll talk everything about hydrogen and clean energy, not only for Hawaii, but for the whole wide world. Aloha. Welcome back to Hawaii Together. I'm Kayleigh Akina, President of Grassroot Institute, and you're on the Think Tech Hawaii Broadcast Network. My guest today is an expert in the field of medical practice and policy. He's Dr. Jeffrey A. Singer from Arizona and a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. We're going to dive right back into our fascinating conversation on the right to self-medicate. Jeff, on a very practical level, what kind of benefits would the consumer get if prescription drugs were available generally over the counter rather than having to go through all of the federally prescribed protocols needed to get them from a physician or a hospital? Well, bear in mind that in an ideal world where the government wasn't deciding this, there would still be, especially with today's complex pharmaceuticals, there would be many cases where the pharmaceutical company would sell it only under a prescription, and of course that's a proprietary voluntary decision made by the pharmaceutical company based upon their own liability concerns, so that would continue. That would be driven largely by the market itself. By the market and by liability concerns of the manufacturer, and that's the way it should be. In other words, we wouldn't necessarily have just a free-for-all. There would be some regulating mechanisms, even if the government were less involved. Exactly, in fact, even before the government got involved with this pharmaceutical companies were already selling certain drugs under those stipulations, so that would, especially with today's complicated chemotherapy agents, etc., we're not going to see a lot of that change, except it'll be much easier for other types of drugs like antacids, cold remedies, lots of things, and I'll get into a few. They could be moved over to the counter. So what kind of over-the-counter movement would you like to see, and what benefit would that bring the patient? Just a few things come to mind, birth control pills, like I said. Right now, you can only get them by prescription. Now again, a lot of this, when the government is in charge, a lot of the decisions are not based on safety, they're actually based on politics. So for example, the morning after pill, Plan B, that was approved by the FDA for prescription only in 1999, and in 2003, a recommendation of the advisory board overwhelmingly said it should be made over-the-counter, but the Bush administration resisted until 2006, and then it was recommended that it be made over-the-counter until under-18 in 2011, and the Obama administration resisted until finally in 2013, the court ordered that Plan B be made available over-the-counter. So that was just all politics. Now Naloxone, the opioid overdose antidote, we hear the surgeon general going around the country urging everybody to get a hold of it, but that's prescription only. Even though in Australia and in Italy and some other European countries, you can get it over-the-counter. It's being given out to first responders, you can't overdose on it, you can't hurt yourself with it. That should be made over-the-counter. The FDA has not done so, even though they've actually invited the drug makers to ask them to make it over-the-counter, and for your listeners to know, you don't have to be asked. You could just order it over-the-counter if you want to. But obviously there's some political reasons involved here, so they've not made that over-the-counter. Recently, a great development has come about in what's called pre-exposure prophylaxis and post-exposure prophylaxis for HIV, or PrEP and PEP. They're two brands out, Truvada and Discovy, and if they're taken in association with exposure, sexual exposure to HIV, it could reduce the risk of HIV by 99%. That's prescription-only drug. The side effects from it are relatively innocuous, and they should be made available over-the-counter. Now, these are all federal decisions, but states do have in their power ways to at least mitigate some of these detrimental effects, these obstacles that the federal government puts in the way of patients. So, and Hawaii has been good on a number of reasons. For example, Hawaii is one of about 12 states now, and the District of Columbia, that allows pharmacists to prescribe birth control pills. Because what states have power is they have the power to decide the scope of practice of healthcare practitioners. And under the FDA regulations, a prescription drug can only be prescribed by a healthcare practitioner licensed by the state. But the scope of those healthcare practitioners licensed by the state is determined by the state. So, Hawaii and many other states have said, well, a pharmacist can prescribe. So at least that's still an obstacle. You still have to go to the drugstore and you have to ask the pharmacist for a prescription, but that's at least better than spending $100 or more and taking three hours off of work to go to a doctor's office. So that's an improvement. Every one of the 50 states has allowed naloxone to be prescribed, be given out by the pharmacist. They've either allowed the pharmacist to prescribe it or many states have done what's called a standing order. If the state's health director happens to be a physician, then that health director has acted as the physician and basically says, I'm giving you an order to all pharmacists in the state. If a person comes up to you and wants naloxone, I'll be the ordering physician. So that's the way around it. Well, you know, you're talking about the authorities that the states still retain, one of them being the definition of what goes into the scope of practice for a practitioner. You mentioned pharmacists, for example. What other kinds of things would you like to see pharmacists able to do? Well, for example, in California, this is the first state to do this state, allow pharmacists now to prescribe pre-exposure prophylaxis and post-exposure prophylaxis for HIV. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the overall majority of new cases of HIV are from sexual transmission. And the remainder are from sharing dirty needles, which PrEP and PEP also is very effective for. So California is now allowing you to go into a pharmacy and a pharmacist can prescribe it to you instead of you having to make a doctor's appointment. They should do that in Hawaii and all the other states. And there's a whole host of drugs that either the state can move from prescription to over-the-counter, rather from a doctor prescribed to pharmacist prescribed, or they can even have the state health director give a standing order like it's being done for naloxone, where the state health director can say, I'll be the prescribing doctor. If somebody wants PrEP or PEP or birth control pills, you put that under me. Other things that scope of practice, things that states can do, all 50 states now allow pharmacists again to give vaccinations. But some states allow them to vaccinate for more things than others. Some states have restrictions regarding whether they're for children or not. A couple of states allow pharmacy techs to give vaccinations in addition to the pharmacists. So those are things that states can do, allowing pharmacists to prescribe and give vaccinations. Pharmacists should be able to, for example, do throat swab tests to see if you have a strep throat, which is just a simple test with a swab. And then if it's positive, they can prescribe the common antibiotic for you for the strep throat. By the way, none of this means that a pharmacist is prevented from saying, I don't feel comfortable treating your problem. Maybe you should see a doctor. They're not forced to do this. But so many times, you know, you have a strep throat. If you could buy the pregnancy test over the counter, why can't you get that swab for your strep throat over the counter? I can also imagine that there are other professionals, a pair of medical professionals, optometrists, nurse practitioners, physicians, assistants, and so forth. Even clinical psychologists, for example. Yes. Clinical psychologists. Talk a bit about that. Okay. Now this is a little different, but not all, but many clinical psychologists who have doctorate level degrees, either a PhD in psychology or a doctor of psychology, PsyD, many of them have had extensive training in psychopharmacology. And sometimes when they'll see a patient who's, you know, in dire straits and they're agitated, they need to get them on some sort of medication so that they can do the therapy, some, you know, antidepressant or whatever. And many of them are trained to be able to do that, but state licensing laws don't allow them to. So then they have to send you to a psychiatrist in order for the psychiatrist to prescribe the medication. So that's another time out of your day to go to see the psychiatrist. And in another expense, most psychiatrists don't accept insurance. And then understanding the psychiatrist is going to want to see you back regularly because if the psychiatrist is assuming the liability risk of prescribing this, the psychiatrist needs to follow you. So you've got this extra expense where this could all have been done by the psychologist. Guam, many years ago, started allowing clinical psychologists who had the adequate training to prescribe psychopharmacologic agents. And now there are five states, Idaho in Illinois and New Mexico and Louisiana. So these are other things that we can consider on a state level. All of these things, this is not as good as allowing us patients to control again over our own self-medicating decisions. Now we're not talking... There are enough obstacles that, you know, it makes it easier for us to get access and less costly. And we're not talking just about prescriptions. What about lab tests, for example? Direct-to-consumer lab tests? What do you see in terms of expanding that? Yeah, I don't know about Hawaii, but I'm pretty sure every state now allows direct-to-consumer lab tests. You can walk into a lab and say what test you want. With the exception of Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and Rhode Island, they have restrictions, unfortunately. And there are a lot of advantages to that. Number one, how many people could relate a story of they got a blood test at the doctor's office and the doctor's office never called them. So they assumed the test was normal, but maybe it wasn't. Well, when you get your own lab test, you get the test results right away. That's right. And again, so that's one thing. Now you may get a test and you don't know whether or not it's something you should be worried about. Well, then you can always make an appointment with an expert and get an opinion about it. But instead of having to go to a doctor to get a prescription, to go to a lab to get the blood test drawn, so this is another thing that we could do on a state level. These are within the purview of state legislatures. And when the consumer is a market to be demanding the lab tests, I think that there's going to be a quicker turnaround time because there will be competition between different labs. Let's just step back a little bit and look at the overall market. With CVS just expanding everywhere and bringing pharmacy services to almost every neighborhood, we may see pharmaceutical services available in 7-Elevens and so forth. And as there's access like this, what do you think happens ultimately to the market and to the quality of medical care across the country? I think it actually compels doctors and other healthcare practitioners to give better service because when people can take matters into their own hands more readily and not captive of this paternalistic system, then the healthcare professionals basically have to prove to the consumer why it's important to come to them. So it actually makes for a much more accountable and responsive healthcare practitioners. I'd like to add a couple of more things that could be done on the state level. For example, let's say you're running out, your prescription is running out and you can't get into your doctor for a refill and your prescription was only for this one month's period. This should be able to give the scope of practice where they can extend the prescription to 30 to 60 days to allow you the time to get in to see your doctor and discuss it again. Those are things that, again, states can do. That sounds good. Well, Jeff, you've come up with some wild ideas too, turning pharmacists into activists as well. And if there's any interest in following up with your work, reading a book or an article, as we close right now, can you tell our viewers how they can get a hold of you and how they should log into? You can go to the Kato Institute's website, cato.org. If you go under experts, click on the experts, you'll see an alphabetical order of the different experts. I'm there.  Many other of my colleagues write on this as well. It's not just me. And I also have a book I'd like to recommend to your viewers. It's not from the Kato Institute. It's called Pharmaceutical Freedom by Jessica Flanigan. She's a professor of medical ethics at the University of Richmond. And that book goes into this a lot as well, particularly the moral and philosophical foundations of the right to self-medicate. Sounds great. It's an excellent book. Well, Dr. Jeffrey A. Singer, thank you so much for your time today. You hit it on the nail. And I thank you so much. Thank you. Aloha. And aloha to all my viewers. We'll be back again next week on Think Tech Hawaii's Hawaii Together. I'm Kayleigh Akina with the Grassroot Institute. Aloha.


What's up everybody, once again, it's Brand Man Sean and this video is brought to you by brandmannetwork.com because I signed myself and today I got a very special guest for you guys. I'm talking about an A1 mover and shaker, the voice of the indie that she calls herself founder of Spill the TV, got to say that right, Spill the TV and of course content creator and event curator and I'm talking about event after event after event. My pet favorite part, I'm just going to go ahead and say this before I even say a name about you is just a hustle, like really A1, we're going to talk about that part seriously. None other than T-Cup is right here to speak to y'all, maybe even preach to y'all. I got a lot of questions for y'all and I think anybody, not just artists but anybody who's thinking of moving and grinding in the industry will get a benefit from just learning about her moves and I'm interested to learn more about her moves. Without further ado, like talk to us, I appreciate you coming out T-Cup. Of course, no problem, wow, you gave me such a grand introduction, I appreciate that. I hope this conversation lives up to that, so thank you. For sure, for sure, I guess I can start here, just get into the flow. How did you even start doing what you do right now? What was the first entry? Because I see so much in music but it's not even just music at this point. Right, right, right. How I started doing all of this, wow, I started doing all of this in college. I've always just felt like I've had so many, I've tried to rap before, I've tried to do so many things and I feel like I was never good at anything, like I went to college with my major undecided, like yeah, so in school I had a lot of talented friends, friends that threw parties, friends that could DJ, could sing, rap, all of that, it was my homie DJ Prez, he had a radio show at school on campus, so I ended up basically getting on there talking one day and then it just happened, just went on there from there. I was doing radio locally in college. How I kind of got into Atlanta, me and my partner Bree, it was like a lot of things going on just in the black community, it was first like Mike Brown, I believe he got killed in 2005 or something like that and then it was something else happened, it was like these Baltimore riots happened as a result of something black that happened. So at that point, me and Bree, we wanted to come up with a solution of pretty much just how to build black people, you know, so yeah, we created this nonprofit called Emojolive. So that was really my introduction to Atlanta as far as like throwing events, I would say. Got you. And then I've always had my interviews coming from West Georgia and then yeah, I just ended up combining into like combining community and then combining like the arts and that's just my brand. That's definitely the brand. So what I want to skip and just ask you, what are your aspirations? Are you trying to be a big personality on a TV show or something like that? Because I mean, I see you seems like everywhere, you know what I mean? I would say, yeah, the goal was always like interviews first, like always just to talk to people to get like the untold stories and of course to talk about shit that people want to talk about on the timeline all day, so let's bring it to life. I would say my goals, yeah, would be to be a TV personality, but some more importantly, I want to kind of bring bring unity, like get black people into like spending money with each other, loving each other, coming together to push this forward because everything that's going on right now or everything that's going on within the past like five or six years that I've been active in, it's like we just need to come together like we just need to really spread love. It starts with us. So that's just kind of my goal and my passion with everything I do. So I can't really say what all I want to do as of yet, but I do know I love, I love, love, love interviewing, like interviewing and telling stories, talking about the Atlanta culture that's always been first. Got you. And because you interview so much and you've talked to I don't know how many artists right now. Do you know how many artists? Oh, I have probably like almost 200 videos on my YouTube of like just artists, people from other cities. Yeah. So much like content things going on in Atlanta. So yeah, I can't even keep up at this point. 200 then 200 plus, we're going to say that I'm 300 coming real soon and because you interview so many people, my interest, my question is how do you choose the artists that you actually talk to? Because I think a lot of artists don't necessarily understand what makes them interesting or just sometimes it might not, of course, even be about interesting. There's other ways that might make people interested in interviewing you. How do you personally select artists? So I started out selecting artists, well, first because when I started doing interviews, when I was like coming up on the Atlanta scene, probably like 2014 2015, I wanted to get like, you know, all the big names, you know, this and that, but I wasn't cool enough. You know, I didn't know everybody. I wasn't plugged in, you know. So what I did was when I started throwing, like artists started from the showcase events, when artists started to ask me, I'm sorry, from the emoji like events, like I would involve artists in like the Juneteenth festivals every year and they started asking me to throw shows for them, like, you know, just outside of emoji like outside of my nonprofit. So I kind of made it a thing as to where like made a competition like, yeah, whoever wins the show on Cypher or this and that, they get the interview. So like that kind of started that thing. That's how like I kind of built my community because it will be like, OK, people will go hard, bring on the people compete for the interview. And then you'll see whoever got interview. And it's like, OK, next time is to go. But what makes artists interesting to me to interview is is you having an audience, you know, people that want to hear your story. Whether that is them physically saying on social media, because I use Twitter a lot, I'll see people quote their lyrics or I'll see people mention them, like, hey, how did you do this? Or how did you do that? Or what inspired that? Or people saying, hey, well, check out this project. OK, well, we heard this song. We want to know more. So that's what really piques my interest for wanting to interview our artists, people that have an audience that wants to listen. So. Got you. That makes sense. It's funny because everything always seems to come back to artists needing to build a fan base and get some kind of interest before other people get interested in them. But I think that's even from a journalist perspective or interviewer perspective. I think that's interesting, the fact that to really think about it more cleanly, like, OK, people are interested in this. So let me figure out what the story is there and what's worth talking about there. Do you do you find anything that you do with artists? I'm sure now at this point, artists just are reaching out to you to interview. Are there like some no-nos when it comes to that? Yeah, I have turned artists. I don't really have turned artists down. I wouldn't say that. But I would just say, OK, well, it's not time right now to interview. Let me follow you.   So I want some credibility to my interviews, too. So I don't necessarily tell them, no, like, oh, no, I can't interview you. I would say, you know, let me follow your journey and let me watch you build and grow. And then when you do have that audience that's ready to listen, then that's when we can get it popping. Got you. Like, let me be sure you're going to be in the game first, right? That you exactly before I put my stamp on you. True. That makes sense. I feel like people don't understand sometimes like the value of platform because if you just drop a whole bunch of bad interviews, right, with people that at this time, right, don't no one cares about from a fan base standpoint, that's really going to dilute the platform. So eventually people aren't going to watch your interviews anyway.  You know what I mean? Exactly. Exactly. Even though my platform, I will say my platform is for the underrepresented at the same time because because of the fact that I was denied a lot of access to events and stuff early on. Or, you know, it wasn't so easy for me to get in certain rooms or to be around certain people or to even interview certain people. I kind of created my own community when I started the events and started highlighting that through the interview. So I do I am for the underrepresented and I do try to go for artists that they have an audience that wants to hear them, but they just don't have that stamp yet, you know, or they don't have that certain it might not have complex, but they may not have certain interview platform shaking for them just yet. So they have that community to have people they have people, you know, when I'm like, hey, what new music shall I listen to? Or who should I have on the show? They have people tagging and they have people doing this, but they just don't have any backstories. And you'll be surprised. There's so many people just like public figures, artists, all of that. And when I say voice of the indies just to make this clear, I yeah, my main focus is artists was always in community. So indies, everybody independent, everybody underground, everybody making their own moves, whether that's a business owner, whether that's an artist, whether that's a person creating a movement, creating an event, whether that's a figure that has like a key piece in something. So it's in there. It's independent. Not an artist. So yeah, so I try to get these a lot of these businesses, a lot of these things, a lot of these things that a lot of these people or places or things that influence us directly in Atlanta or directly in our everyday lives, because you have certain people always talking about what Cardi B is doing, what Gunna is doing, what this and that is doing.  OK, but you you go to this local show with one of my favorite artists out right now. And that's the Indian artist is J. Newton.  Like, like stuff like that. I try to tell all the stories. Got you. Got you. When do you find things got easier for you? Because you talked about, look, I wasn't getting in everything. At the beginning, but, you know, you you're getting in some things. Definitely now, right. Thank you. Seen to be every time I see some I'm I'm pretty sure she'll be able to like be one of those people, the correspondents and people who get to report. How'd you get to that position? So, yeah, I like I literally had to create it for myself. Like when I started because when I was doing the Emoja Life events and I met Artisan Bar, um, I brought I did the Emoja Life nonprofit event at Artisan Bar and they told me they were like, OK, well, we don't want this. We want parties like we don't want just sit downs and gatherings. We want people dancing, drinking. We want parties. So I was like, well, I don't really do parties. I don't really do showcases. So I brought in my partner, Forty Oilspo. I brought him in and he started doing showcases and then like people started like more people like would see me there and they just started asking me, you know, to do more stuff like what I did with the Emoja Life, like more stuff, including like the art and artists. So yeah, when I started doing that because Artisans was new, it was new. The apartment store had just closed. A lot of venues or places that people go had just closed. So Artisans was new. Everybody's like, OK, what is going on there? You would see it on the timeline because I would have like R&B and Chill parties, Crunk Juice parties or I'll have these events called like show and ciphers where we would have the monthly ciphers or we'll have like Apollo shows and stuff. So it was always something going on at Artisans, like at least once a month. And it'll always be like crazy videos of like, wow. Wow, these people just got into a bad rap. Somebody got cute or not cute, but, you know, cute in a bad rap. Or yeah, we had Apollo. They just got booed. So I just started becoming a talk. So then more people started because people it would come back to my page and it would see like interviews, footage, interviews, just all based on that community. Then that's kind of how people started recognizing me, started finally letting me in like, OK, this girl has something going on. This girl has something. And it was fairly new because it was kind of a shift in Atlanta at that time. So it was fairly new and it was something that's being introduced because during that time a lot of new artists got introduced, you know, just on the scene from the events and from not even just my events, from events surrounding those events from other curators that were Artisans or from other platforms that were coming up in Atlanta during that time. So got you. It's dope to see that you actually built your own platform when you couldn't get in, right?  But the best way today, even outside of just being an artist, we always tell artists to get fans a professional in the industry today. You don't have to just say, I got to go through a labor. I got to go work on these other general situations. You can do what you did, right? And I'm sure now people are willing to offer positions or can even consider you more likely from building your own platform for other positions that, you know, you might have won it before or you don't even necessarily want, but they still like, oh, you want to do this? You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's dope. So you did that. And one thing I heard, though, was the fact that you said you didn't do showcases and like party type events. And it's funny because you people say do everything say yes to everything. But you have a self-awareness enough to know, I guess that wasn't your thing, though. And I ended up doing it anyway. You end up doing it anyway. Like what made so how do you balance that? Like between certain things and opportunities between whether it's your thing and you just you just didn't know. Like you kind of you didn't feel like doing it or you didn't know enough to know it's not your not for you or it's actually for real for a notch. I'm going to say this from like a standpoint of like people that are listening for me, you have to really listen to your audience. Like you have to listen to them because I had people like people tell me they would love the Juneteenth events. They will love the emoji like events. They will love the feel and that is something Atlanta does not have, you know what I'm saying at the moment and people could feel my spirit was really genuine and that like because I like I used to have events because artists was rocking with me so hard. Like they used to just, you know, like give me some of the bar and just like, you know, that will cover my DJ or whatnot. So I've had free events before like whole free events. I've had events where where I like I don't think I've ever charged the artist to perform. Probably I've charged artists to perform for my non-profit, actually. But and I have but I haven't charged artists to perform for spill the tea, which is so backwards. But it was a non-profit, you know, like I had to. I wasn't trying to make a profit. I was trying to pay for like the bingyou and stuff or trying to get supplies to help this parody or, you know, this and that. It makes sense. Right. So when I came to artisans, I've never charged the artist to perform or any of that. So it was kind of like a safe space that was created in Atlanta because you had certain platforms that were it was 20 artists on a bill. The curators didn't really care about the artists. They were trying to get a quick dollars. Everybody felt that like my heart was genuine. They were like, well, you should just go ahead and you should start throwing shows. You should start doing this and that because you really have something. And yeah, it took an ex-boyfriend to tell me he was like, because I was I was helping Poe with his showcases. And it took an ex-boyfriend to tell me he was like, you should start throwing parties. Like he was like, it doesn't have to always be about the artists. You can start throwing parties. He was like, or maybe you could combine both. My homegirl was like, yeah, I would really love a karaoke night. And yeah, so I came up with our mutual was my first event at Artisans as spill the tea. So it was like it was a throwback party. I had like four or five artists that did covers and it was crazy. It was like over eight hundred tickets gone. It was crazy. It was like my first. And I kept having like a lot of big events. Probably after two years of doing events at Artisans doing events every month at Artisans for two years. I probably only had like two dead events. So Artisans named a drink after me called the Seacup Margarita. Yo, that's hard. But yeah, I would tell people just listen, listen to the universe, listen to your audience, always be open to new things. Even if you think something isn't for you, just try it. You know, you don't have to probably stick with it or do something different. But just give it a try and listen, like listen, your fans, supporters, whoever they they will tell you what they want to see. Yeah, what's something that you learn from like moving how you've been moving and being somebody who navigates and there's a lot of people that you deal with, right? Right. There's a lot of relationships that have to be maintained. You know, what's something that you learn throughout that process that you think will be really helpful for people to understand, especially not even just in the music industry, obviously, but just. Yeah, I don't know. And moving and shaking and entrepreneurship as a whole. You mean, as far as like how how to how to how to deal with a lot of people or start there. OK. I like to say, first, you have to understand everybody's different and you kind of can't take things personal. Like you have to understand everybody wasn't raised like you. Everybody didn't come from your same background and everybody communicates differently. Some people don't know how to communicate. So you kind of can't take things personally. Like, I know when building certain relationships, you know, people may not respond back or, you know, people may feel away. This and that, whatever, just don't take it personal. One thing I'm still learning is to not react to certain things because usually you can react in a crazy way and it can rub people the wrong way. But usually when something is meant to be, those people always come back and you don't ever want to leave that impression to them that all your this that person, you know, your drama queen, whatever, this and that, because people always come back. Like even even from all those people that I used to try to reach out to back in the day, like I was never nasty or I was like, never like, you know, of y'all, sorry, I was never I write or anything. And now those people are coming back because, you know, now they see the value or they see what I've created. You know, I wouldn't even say by myself because I've had people help. But what pretty much I've created, you know, the community that's been created. So no, that's real. That's real. That they're taking not taking things personally is something that I feel like everybody has to go through at the beginning of just starting to deal with stuff where you don't understand. Like you said, people have different things going on their life. Genuinely, sometimes people just like to communicate differently, whatever it might be. But then but then yeah, that I don't know. That's that's been an interesting thing. And I honestly have to still constantly remind myself of that. Like every single time the way I feel like, you know, what's going on? And then I even saw myself just like, you say people come back. Yeah, people will come back.   So many DMs where I've tried them. Well, I've probably hit up people like 2008 or something like that 2007. And then circle back. Now they in my DMs again, asking for something.   No, I don't say that, but I don't think that.  So I feel cool. Is there is there anybody or anything? That's what I want to say. Is there anything that you feel like you can say to be helpful to people who want to do what you're doing? I know you have a unique path in the way you went about it. Is there a way that you feel like if they want to do what you do, there's a few things that they should make sure that they get done. Hmm. A few things that they should get done.  Don't just build relationships through the internet. I feel like a lot of people think the internet is just like, yes, use the internet, of course, is very helpful. We still go out there and physically meet people. I would say, hmm, what do you have to do? I guess, do what I did. Um, if people want to help you, let them help. You know what I'm saying? I feel like it is always a boundary with that because you never know people's intentions, but there are some people that are heaven sent that want to help you now. Because I feel like people have a really hard time struggling with that with asking for help or with accepting help, I should say. No, that's real. That's real. They don't trust issues. Yeah, I would say, of course, real relationships. Being able to accept help and what else I would say. Um, hmm, I would say, man, just do it. Shit, just do it. Don't overthink. Don't. Yes, research. Yes, study the way people have done it. Successful people. Um, yes, you may not have every piece in the beginning. I saw this post. It was like your first podcast is going to be trash. Your first event is going to be horrible. Um, you know, just then the third, you know, just do it. You have to do it. Sometimes experience is the best teacher. Like, no, all the time, my opinion, at least that's the way I get it. That's a bit. Well, I appreciate you. Um, and really enjoyed talking to you. And one, everybody, make sure y'all follow. T cup at T, E, double A, C, U, double P underscore. I'll make sure I put that up on the screen and everything like that. But of course, as always, this video is brought to you by Brandon at word.com. Because I signed myself. If you like this video, go ahead and like button. 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