Yeah, that's broken. We actually can't silence. I said a word once.  I know which word that was. And chat have already entered the game. Well, like, what do they say?  Kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, yeah, makes sense. Yeah, this is the old same old. I feel like chat, this is going to be like Godzilla. It's going to be like Spider-Man. They're they no doubt everyone because I saw the rotten tomato score. Apparently, people really like Rise of Skywalker. There's nothing fishy about that anyway. Look at that. I get it. You liked Rise of Skywalker. I don't feel the same. We don't feel the same. Oh, thanks, YouTube. The e-fab, I'm on. I get a notification. E-fab is live. Yeah, thanks. Great. It does just know that you're on it. Be there. No, that's the first time I ever got a message for that. Like, oh, yeah, cool. Thanks. I want to tweet out the street out everyone hearing for me. But on the note of the audience score, that is fishy. Like, I don't buy that. I see that. People are like, I don't see many people like it.  It was like, it was like, I see it. Yeah, I see a lot of like normie people who who are just saying like it's fine or even saying that it was actually bad. And I mean, most fans don't like this movie. That's for sure. I've not heard anyone say they liked it without the word in spite of it. Yeah, exactly. I think the best I've got to know people is like, well, it's all right, you know. I clapped for Bobby Frick. The highest praise I've heard this guy get is like, it was about as good as you could expect. Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, cats is out or coming out. So that'll probably, you know, I have heard things, nothing more than cats. I have heard some things like people are describing that movie like it's not a it's not conventional. Like it says it like it like transcends analysis. It's such a bizarre experience. It transcends. Cats transcends. That sounds like the title of the Patrick Willems video. Cats. It's like, what happened in that movie? My favorite movie of 2019 is Cats. I love for it to perform versus Skywalker. It's a movie about furry things made for no one. I don't know. And even furries are like, no, it's not.  Furries are still jerking off to Zootopia. They're not going to look at the cats. What's what is there to know? Oh, my goodness, they are terrifying. Furries are like all about like foxes and stuff. Well, no, it's about taking animals and having them be, you know, expressive and emotive and anthropomorphic in the right way.  Like that's their trend. Yeah, there's not a lot of slug furries. Those are particularly furry in my experience. Well, they get glumped together, like dragons and stuff, right? Yeah, but yeah, Scalies. You know the terminology, J. I do. I'm subscribed to furry IRL. J, what is your what is your fursona? Uh, rhino, because I'm a caribou. No, I'm a dog. Never mind. I was I was wondering that. You're what were you again? A rhino.  Yeah. Why is that? Um, because my big titties. Yeah, look at this conversation is for again wanting to talk about the rise of Skywalker. It's like, what's your fursona? It's a rhino. Because I've got big titties. We're going to teach you guys this.  I know what that gets you called these days. That's life lessons for you. And if J.K. Rowling couldn't survive it, neither could I. Oh, she got roasted bird. I like I have more of an issue with her talking about how wizards would poop back in the medieval days. That was my that was my breaking point. I saw that and I was like, I would have to have more context on the thing she's talking about. They just make the poop disappear, right? Yeah. Where does it go to? Because it doesn't disappear. I don't know why she would say that. Can you make people disappear to the poop dimension?  There's literally just poop. An entire planet of nothing but human excrement. There's like this creature that's like, hello. Where is the world of the poop? Oh, God. No, no, no. There's no escape. Voldemort is that we sent him to the poop dimension. We couldn't kill him. That's why he was so pissed. You have to live in a poop house now. That's why I cut off my nose. Yeah. Welcome to the rise of Skywalker stream. Wow. That was speaking of speaking of the dimension rise of Skywalker. What a segue. So appropriate. We live in the poop dimension. We've already been sent there. We've been there for a couple of hours at least. So a couple of hours. Yeah, when we saw Rise of Skywalker, was it like two hours and 40 minutes? We've been in a dark timeline for a while. Yeah, it was only like two hours. Ten, it felt it was certainly dense. It was hard to tell how long it was. I thought like I could have been convinced it was even longer than TLJ. Like it's a weird time felt weird watching that film. It was so badly paced. Yeah. Yeah. So much happened in the first like half hour. It feels like a montage more than a movie. Yeah, 22 apparently. Perhaps that's our kicking off point for sort of what we got beginning our announcements first. Oh, we do. Oh, my goodness gracious. I want to I want to bring some more attention to the good old EFAP calendar as well as just EFAP. Amy in general. This is showcasing day six, which was Mr. Jay XC, of course. And he comes with what is that? It's like a book. Was that Marino milk? It's probably a carton of rhino milk. Is it a book or rhino milk? Then we got a day eight, which was Mr. Shad himself. He gets a little paper sword, too. I don't know if you're aware of this. Oh, really? I need to check that out. Yeah, then there was day five was metal commander. I mean, it's me. That's me. Very emotional stuff. And it is indeed. And I was going to show Fringy as well. I think we've shown myself and Rags before. But that is incredible. Currently, no drinker. I'm really I'm really hoping you're in there. Well, you've got a couple of days left.  Drink while you assemble these. True. But yes, alcohol, not included. You get a download link for the does include alcohol. The template will have a link. We'll have a download link to alcohol on the website. Yes. Yes. Non-Aged alcohol. We've become enablers. Yeah, you can you can get the whole cast of of EFAP in paper form. And I think Shad's going to be the best one because you can kill other paper form people with his sword. Yeah, like it would be funny, my theory, by the way, the discord icons on stream, it is me. Oh, I'm going to have to change some. No, you know, it's fine. Every time I put the cover up, it puts us back to normal. Unfortunately, whenever I try to show anything, it'll put us into Tism mode for a little bit. All right, all right. I'll have to figure out. I don't know if I can do a quick fix for that. Actually, it might have to just be that I try and keep the cover up for most of the stream, which should be possible. There's not much reason for me to show anything this stream. Yeah, so the the other thing I suppose is worth magic. I don't know if any of you have seen it, but generally, people who loved TLJ are not like in this film, right?  That's insane. I can't believe it. Remember, I don't care. No, but it's not a big deal. I'll move on with my life, even though my whole job is talking about how movies can have a profound impact on people's lives. But no, just move on. It's just a movie. I just didn't like it. That's all God. That's God. So like, you can't hold both views, guys. I'm saying it's a movie about space wizards. Well, this is a movie about space wizards for nobody. It was probably my favorite thing this week, just seeing on Twitter, getting, yeah, well, yeah, I was going to say, right. So you got those pictures like all day to him. It's like, oh, God, that didn't age well. Yeah, just just for anybody did not know. And I need to save a screenshot of it in case it goes away.  So dramatic. And so my immediate thought was like, wow, Pat, you're taking this very seriously, considering it's a kids movie. It's almost like it's just a kids movie with space wizards and you get no angry. And so naturally, you want to you want to respond with that. And then you got to check his thread. And as has just been mentioned, there's like 50 responses that just paste his picture of the thing.   How can you be? Oh, how could it be sort of fun? I think we can already actually tweeted that. It was like, just a brace to me.    But really set yourself up for failure with that. One should have thought ahead. Yeah, now you can no longer criticize.  And yeah, he's he's been like, nobody understands it. Nobody understood it correctly. And it's just like, I don't know what is it. But like people have analyzed the deaths. Like he specifically references me as one of the one of the crazies. And I was like, so an in-depth review is, you know, by your standard, something just too much for a kids movie, quote unquote. Right, harassment. And yeah. And then he was like, no strictly strictly talking about the people who went out and like did stuff in terms of like sending messages to cast members. And it's just like that.  Like we all know that you're not supposed to do that. Pretty sure you were talking about something else. Pretty sure. All right. He's got like an extensive list of reasons to remember it's a kids movie. It's like, if you if you want to call Patrick, if you think Patrick is a Disney shill, well, this is this is a space movie. If you think if you think S.J. W. is around it, like it's movie, if you think. Although it's like the one of them was if you tell him to kill himself, which is harassment. Yeah. And then I don't I can't think of the other ones. Yeah, I just we're at the point where it's just like, look, dude, you're pissed, right? And I understand why he's pissed. I understand why any T.L.J. fan would be pissed at this movie. But you said some stuff before, so it's hard for you to say other stuff that contradicts that stuff. Yeah, I think they got to commit to what you said so boldly and so confidently.   JJ is like a like a tongue in cheek thing. And then he's realizing that people aren't getting that tone.  He didn't just to defend it that way, though. He defended the the the comet with the postery thing. He didn't even go like I didn't see any tweets about how he was like, oh, I was just kidding. JJ's fine. That's great. It's all great. Everything's great. It's everything's fine. He can't. He doesn't want to admit that he says something that could easily be misinterpreted.  Patrick wouldn't do that. I saw tweets about how he's he said he's not going to make a video on this film. And I was talking to Rags about it. I was like pretty sure it's obvious why because it just like the comments would be filled with, but hey, it's a kid's movie. Why are you getting so mad? Why why is the wires you so upset? This is only Star Wars movie. Why are you so angry? Why are you getting upset? The other one is going to follow him around forever, though, anytime he criticizes any movie that's looking at comments, he's going to get in response.  He just needs to say, guys, maybe I phrased that poorly. What I meant was that people shut up about it. Isn't it worthwhile to point out how reductive his comment is on like the work that is involved in telling a story for children? Like, imagine if someone picks our watch, read that comment. Oh, yeah, yeah. What's the iron giant? Sorry, Wally. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, yeah. It's interesting to say quality that can exist in kids like movies and stuff. There's a pretty dark storytelling in kids stuff that you appreciate by adults and kids alike. Yeah. Well, what he said is just completely, completely dumb. I don't even know. Yeah.  I think saying that it's reductive to the point of absurdity is pretty accurate because when you when you reduce everything to its most basic form, it can sound silly, but that's just how it is for everything. And that's not how exactly it's like saying, wow, halo is lame.  Wow, good game design. Yeah, just put a thing on a thing and click. And every movie.  That sounds like a YouTube channel from two years. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, where they just take movies and funnily, but accurately say they're they're plotting their theme or not their theme, but just kind of like the plot of the story. But in its most basic, like one sentence kind of way, you're like, man, that sounds dumb.  And he he felt that I was kind of overreacting because it wasn't even about me.  Then we got into a conversation and he agreed to have it recorded. It lasted one hour. We managed to come to, let's say, an agreement on everything that happened. We kind of went over all of the events of the past two years. Didn't expect this to happen whatsoever, especially not right now. And he said he's OK with it being played on EFAP. So me and Rags will be probably looking into that or at least playing it at some point in the future. I don't know exactly how we're going to fit this in. A bit of a weird thing, but yeah, we'll we'll be able to play it because there's we talk about the conversation that we had with, you know, TRO and Wolf and we talk about like the videos and all the things that happened, quite an interesting series of events. But you'll finally get some sort of, I don't know, closure on that, I guess, as an audience, because I know a lot of people want to know what the fuck's going on with it. And that's that's just an update on that. And that's it for me. It was interesting. Like he his recent video on the rise of Skywalker, he's basically recontextualized his views on all the movies. And it was a pretty good video on all of us. I don't think it was a good video. You didn't like it? No, I think that for 15 minutes, he didn't say that much. And also, like, I don't even really agree with judgments he made. Like, oh, you know, the Force Awakens is just OK. Like, nah, it's not. And also, you know, oh, Ryan Johnson, like he's got a really good track record and he cites Looper as an example of his good track record. The film that has alighted it to say stop thinking about this film and then I think he went so far as to be like he was like, you know, Ryan Johnson, he's a director who likes to subvert expectations and sort of do his own thing.  It's not Ryan's fault. Ryan is a city man. He's got no self control man. You should have turned him loose on this. He's not an adult human. Yeah. If you could choose to give every you could re-roll the you could re-roll the sequel trilogy so that all gets remade, right? But the catch is you can only give each movie to either Ryan or JJ, who gets each movie. Ah, I think that if you gave it to JJ, it would be just like.   You know, I'm literally like, yeah, I don't know. Actually, I was suggesting one that we can do whatever we want. Like we can give all three to one of them or two to one of them. Two to, you know, yeah, any. Probably honestly, I'd probably go all three with JJ, but I would be interested to see all three with Ryan. I don't know what he would do, but I don't want to do either of them, though. I don't want to do either of the trilogy. I don't know what he did. He might set up. Yeah, I don't know. Other than, hey, let's do the empire again.  Well, that's the thing with the last Jedi. He destroyed so much about Star Wars and the characters. And if you give him three movies, I'm not sure what would be left. It's like this is what's left now. It's a whole skeleton. Like, no, it'd be a whole movie about Rose Tico. I mean, all right. He created her. I mean, I think what I'm really interested in now is the treatment that George Lucas wrote. I would be very curious to know what the original sequel trilogy was going to be. Apparently, I would focus on the currents. It didn't sound great, because I think it was going into the the wills and stuff. They found me. They found me. This is Disney. Open the door. Do not release part two, God damn it. Oh, what? Yeah, I think I think I'm Lucas's treatment had them going almost into like the Star Wars version of the quantum realm and stuff. It was really kind of bizarre. Ha, I've been sent to take it over this. This this comes from a subreddit.  Not one. This is unverified. It just it sounds pretty on point. So again, just just rumor, which, by the way, so much rumor from geeks and gamers and Doomcock have now been confirmed like heavily from this film is just kind of funny how that works. And can we just also point out, right? Because JJ outright said that no, there was no pre-test screenings just with a couple of, you know, family friends. We saw it and stuff like that. Like that is such profound bullcrap confirmed by all these screenings. Oh, yeah, they had too much writing on this to not test it. They've caused too much money to not test screen it. And like, honestly, like if first of all we're making a Star Wars video, I'd be like, yeah, let's test screen it. Let's see what people think. I actually. Yeah. Plus, let's remember the version that we got is the version after the test screenings.  There's red blood. The idiot's abortion. I would have liked to have seen the Lucas cut that apparently got produced because I think they got to the stage where they'd edited that and it was all filled. That's what, well, according to the rumors, anyway. Yeah, that one I'm a bit more skeptical on. Like it could have happened, but gee, that I got to a pretty extreme thing. Well, this is I'll just read this out quickly. This is kind of relevant to this. So this begins with saying after Colin had left the project, I'll be Colin Trevorrow, who was supposed to do Rise of Skywalker and backed out. Ryan Johnson was immediately Lucasfilm's top choice to take over. However, Iga and Horne weren't impressed with The Last Jedi and thought it was a step down from the Force Awakens. This promoted Iga to personally offer Abrams the gig. JJ was not a fan of The Last Jedi. Actually, that's putting it gently. He absolutely loathed T.L.J. and had some serious beef with Ryan Johnson, which, by the way, that's pretty strong. But this film, this film has serious beef with The Last Jedi. Yeah, there's all there. It's weird how they've structured it because so much of it is like trying to recontextualise a lot of the things in The Last Jedi, but not completely contradicted. Yeah, I know what I really meant was. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, except the one line they bring up for that being true is like your parents were nobody's. It's your grandparents that were somebody except all of the other lines. All of the other lines that he said was like, they were drinkers who sold you for drinking money. That's not true. I didn't allow that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said I never lied to you. It's like he did. And even if the person doesn't have an important position, the fact that he was the son of Palpatine means he was not a nobody. That's a profoundly significant. You're right, especially in the context. Jaden Smith is not a nobody. Yeah, because the whole point of the whole nobody thing is that it's not a Kenobi, not a Skywalker, not a solo, not a Palpatine. That was the point of the nobody. People in the galaxy that matter, apparently, right? Well, that was something I actually I actually kind of agree that it would be. It would have been it's like, oh, does it have to be someone we already know from a strong family? But the problem was Ray was so powerful. So yeah, we have to like explain how you're going to explain it used for the sequel trilogy, though. You and your thoughts, you would think that if they were going to try and explain some of the power that they wouldn't have just laid on dumped on so much more power on top of it. They made her OP beyond belief that took a war with the spaceship was just incredible.  That's the thing, though, with the whole parent thing, because I actually would prefer it if like her parents weren't, you know, tied to the same three family trees for the whole time. But because she was so powerful, it's like, all right, what's going on? What's going on? They should have introduced a new character for it. Imagine if you if you have a train, imagine it. Imagine if you set up with something like, I don't know, her parents were Jedi Knights who were escaping order 66, and maybe they got killed and she was left on her own. So we know that she's Jedi and we know that she has a beef against the Sith. And now you have some good old interesting character development. What's there was none of in this movie? Oh, yeah. Well, I was going to say, before we get to that, I'll carry on with this. So this moves on to say bring it gently, he only came back if you could have complete control and wouldn't have to compromise with Kennedy or Lucas Films story group. JJ's first move was a consult with George Lucas on the story for episode nine. They came up with a story that had strong connections to the Clone Wars TV show, which featured the dagger of Mortis and Matt Smith as the son of Mortis, which would have been the film's antagonist. The story also used many elements of George Lucas's unused sequel trilogy treatments. Disney really wanted this movie to be another force awakens in the sense that it would unite all fans and be at least initially universally loved after Solos flop at the box office, T.L.J.'s backlash on the decline of Star Wars merchandise. It was paramount for Disney that episode nine be a success with. Successful. It's not going to be happy. They did not want another last Jedi on their hands. The film's direction changed radically during around midway of principal photography. JJ told the Disney executives that this film would not satisfy and unite all fans. This is where the studio meddling began, which led to the second abandonment of George Lucas's ideas. Nearly every story detail for the initial script was either completely abandoned or bastardized. Palpatine was always to have a presence in this movie, but not alive or not as the main villain. The main villain was supposed to be the son of Mortis. Disney feared that the general audiences would be alienated as they wouldn't know who son of Mortis was, which would make the movie harder to market and which led to the choice of replacing the son with Palpatine. And Matt Smith was completely removed from the movie. Disney ordered extensive reshoots that went on throughout the year, leading up to early October. JJ Abrams was not happy with many of the changes that Disney made to Rise of Skywalker. I don't know the specifics, but let's just say he isn't at all pleased with the final product. Essentially, the majority of the movie was just reshot and reconfigured this year at the same time. Leaving a ton of important scenes on the cutting room floor. I don't have any more info on the making of the Rise of Skywalker other than that, but I'm hoping that this post gets people with better sources to give out more details. And if that happens, then that kind of vindicates JJ a little bit, doesn't it? Yeah, I feel bad for him. No, actually, I feel bad for him if that's for you. Can I just say, I think Disney succeeded, though, in unifying the Star Wars fan base, but unifying them all in hatred for this abomination. They turned the fandom to the direct side. Inspiracy type. What if they did that on purpose so that they can make another sequel trilogy? Let's try again. Honestly, I'll be on board with that. I'll be on board. Like, start it over. Let's start again. It's just such a shame you losing Carrie Fisher just means it would never be as viable. But yeah, I honestly would get behind it. And it's crazy because, like, Matt Smith being in it. Yeah, I thought that was the case for, like, a good year. As far as I was aware, he was definitely going to be in it. Not, like, that lens credence to this sort of post, as well as a couple of other details.  Like, they just, they're so desperate to make money. They just want to make money, like. And they're not, they're not. Yeah, now that there's so many, well, Carrie Fisher's gone, and I don't think you'll ever get Harrison Ford back unless. No, he won't come back. Well, honestly, I don't think Mark Hamill will come back either. Yeah, I don't think he will, yeah. So I reckon they, if they reboot, and I hope they do, you know, fingers crossed, but we could only find out. If they reboot it shortly after a last Jedi and recast Luke Skywalker and stuff and bring it and start off closer in time frame and have a whole movie series of them trying to rebuild the Republic and stop any vestiges of. That would make a lot more sense. That would make a lot more sense. I would love to see, you know, you get to see Luke in his prime again, like as the master Jedi training you Jedi, that would be awesome. That would be great. Yeah, it's kind of interesting because Ryan Johnson, like, he was on Twitter and I think he was responding to somebody about, you know, his interpretation of Luke. And he said something about, like, not wanting to give Luke a video game permanent, like, power up, but my immediate thought is do you not understand why it would be really interesting to see Luke as a Jedi master, like, training apprentices? How is that not the coolest idea? Yeah, and the first time in God knows how long for the Jedi, you have a guy who's teaching people and he doesn't have a proper master of his own. A lot of it's gonna be on his own. And he's really gonna try and be responsible, whereas the Jedi, you know, the Jedi before were kind of bureaucratic and inefficient. Well, actually, even in the expanded universe, Luke decided to make some fundamental changes in the Jedi order that he felt the Jedi order made mistakes. And once he allowed Jedi to marry and have relationships because he thought that was one of the causes of the, yeah, that's why Darth Vader felt the denial of all that and stuff. Yeah, it makes perfect sense that Luke, Luke of all people would do that. He's the family man. He's the relationships man. He's the Kaz about all the people, man.  Yeah, boy, he is the family man. That's how much he loves his family. But yeah, that pretty much leads us into, we're gonna talk about this movie scene by scene. Is everyone excited? Oh, how many scenes are in this movie? 60,000? 60,000, yeah, so. 60,000 scenes. Number one out of 60,000. If everyone's drinking, I've got some edibles in the fridge that I'm tempted to do. In the fridge? Yeah. Not everyone is drinking. Yeah, irresponsible. That's what that is. It's really early. A lot of people in chat were saying that the Thrawn trilogy was being described there as you guys were sort of talking in a way, but I'm not sure how many people here have even seen or read. No. I don't know. I would have been fine with an adaptation. All I saw was the word incest just being repeated. Hey, desperate times call for desperate measures. All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go get my edibles. Okay. Yeah. All right. No, to the theater.  Or should we wait a sec? Well, we should wait because. Oh yeah, I went and came back and he was kicked. That would be funny. This movie just started and just kept going. Oh, stop. It was one of those weird movies that started and then kept going. Why didn't you just start and stop immediately? Yeah, God. So, so hang on. Like, do we really believe that this abomination is the result of Disney meddling and JJ didn't get the film he wanted because there was a lot of JJ in this film. Yeah, no, I can believe that from the point of view that it feels very safe and it feels like very much falling back on tropes and characters that seem like they'll be a safe bet. This does seem like a group project in a way. Yeah, like designed by committee. So I could, I could believe that. Because if so, that should be public. JJ should be a bit vindicated then because like, which director would want this movie under there? It's not going to hurt his career because he's already signed a big deal with Warner Brothers for like DC. So he's fine because he, his movies are successful. I think, you know, he's going to at least be able to claim, look, everything was against me on this one. I inherited a mess from the last Jedi. I had a fan base that was against me. And yeah, imagine they're in an interview and the ride's like, yeah, well, I inherited a mess from you. And he's like, yeah, well, okay. All right. Yeah, well, like, did you see the last Jedi?  I want to see them have a cage right now. I just picked up the slap fight. It was like, eh, eh, eh, eh. We're going to snipe at each other on Twitter forever. I don't even know, it's JJ's. He does Twitter. But yeah, all right, well, three words to start this off.      Didn't know I was speaking. The dead speak.   So we, we're going to spend an hour on the opening crawl. I just know it. We really are. There is a lot to unpack. We have a picture of it. Oh, well, I can get you this. This is what I'm using. Because obviously it got leaked. So someone's already made like a fake version of it. Um, The funny thing is when I saw it for a second, oh, that's a, that's a funny type of a translation. Yeah. So this morning it's like, oh, well, I did it. If anyone has seen the, um, the cam copy that's floating around, there's a translation. So it comes out in like a different language at the beginning and it's translated into English for our viewing pleasure in case, you know, you don't speak that language. And they've translated that opening into deaths of speaking.   I don't know what to make of that. It's interesting. Jay Longburn created it. Yeah. It's such a glorious translation.  Don't play. I have a whole army. I have a whole army ready to overtake your galaxy. I'm going to tell everyone about it so they can come and stop me before I get to launch my attack. Yeah. I have a question as well about the first order in that case. So if he was building up this massive force of star destroyers that's going to take over the galaxy, was the first order just like a little dip my toe in the water? I don't know what they were doing this whole time. I thought that's what they were doing. Okay. So he was behind the first order. We have one line where he says he made Snoke and like that's all we get on it. And you see, you see like copies of Snoke. Why? Yeah. Why did you do that? What was his motivation? Do we get anything for why?  It's like, okay. So what was Snoke? And he's like, like a puppet testing thing. Like, okay.  Like take over what? How?  Stop it. They're like having a debate in the room on the planet. It's like, stop asking questions. No. I don't know. So maybe he didn't make the first order in the thing. The first order really is the leftovers of the empire. But again, if he survived, why did he need to make Snoke to? Yeah, why can't he just come back himself? Exactly. Week and free. All the empire lost was the death star. Everything else of the empire was still intact. And if he survived, technically he was still emperor of the empire and he didn't lose much. And in that context, it doesn't explain how then Snoke came to be the leader of the first order. He was a puppet, but he existed before he got there. How did he take over? And remember how it happened? They say that Snoke changed Kylo's mind. So we're talking like, well, like 10 years prior to when we saw him, the Snoke's been empowered. Was he literally just like created? He was in like a little tie interceptor. They landed him in the force of the first order. He got out. He's like, I'm your emperor now. Okay. Good enough for me here. But before we even, you know, go that far on the timeline, because this is where it's established that Palpatine is alive. I think we just need to point out how utterly ridiculous that is that he survived at all. I wish we could do a supercut right now of just boom from the first explosion, boom from the second explosion. He survived both of those. The original explanation in the leaks was that, you know, the emperor that got killed was a clone of him. And he was just remote controlling him from, from, you know, this Sith homeworld. But now we're saying, no, that was actually him. They got flung down the actor shaft. Exactly. I didn't die. Yeah. That's exactly the argument someone put to me is that, no, no, no, that was a clone that died. And then I was like, but the body we see of the emperor in this movie is broken beyond belief, which is directly implying that that was the same body that died. If he would be perfectly intact, he would have a fresh body if there was a clone that died. And so, because it might have worked. His fingers are all kind of severed and farmed. Exactly.   And then I got an eye on us three fingers. He just comes flying back up that reactor shaft. I want the scene where they celebrate destroyed the death star that Zoob's righted. And we see, you know, in the exact same way we saw Leia in TLJ, he's floating away, Zoob's right up to his eyes. He's got a Dragon Ball Z energy bubble. Not even that.  Not the same music. It plays as he opens his eyes. It starts playing immigrant song, which is the song from Ragnarok. Yeah.  I just wanted to play out like from the sits perspective as it did for the heroes in TLJ.  Like you can get to him. He arrives on a planet. They put him on a stretcher immediately. They're like, thank goodness. And then he goes into a coma for a while. Let's hide him in a floaty pyramid or something. I don't know. And it might have actually worked if they actually did go the whole clone route. That it was a clone that died. And Palpatine has always got a, you know, like a clone puppet that is working through, but they, but they didn't even do that.  That could have worked.  So I control a puppet remotely. But then when they blow him up, I'd be like, was that a clone? Exactly. Not to not to skip ahead, but like right at the end when he wants Ray to kill him, he says like, well, if you kill me, my energies will transfer into your body. And then I'll be in control of you. So are they perhaps suggesting that when his physical body died on the death star, his energies just transferred into like a new Palpatine body somewhere else? Because then he would have finished. Yeah. Why is his body destroyed? Like you think if he was going to make a clone that he can transfer into, it would be a fresh one, you know? Well, he had the clones of it. There was, it was really weird seeing Snoke clones and the VAT on Exegol there. Yeah. Why would you need more of him? So I'm wondering if he just can't make good bodies because Snoke turned out like fucking. It's like Palpatine, I keep telling you, you've got to wait till it's 100% done. He's like, oh, can't wait. I'm just, I'm so excited.  The two, the two Snoke faces you see in the test tubes look like they just figured it the exact same way. Exactly. So they cloned someone who was disfigured? Well, maybe they, maybe. That's the only answer, I think. I think they wanted him to be disfigured so he'd look cool. At least the clones looked like Django Fett.  Oh my God. That was the other answer someone was trying to give to me about where the crew to all these starships come from and everything, but maybe I'm skipping it. I'll wait until we actually get to the start. Well, yeah, I was just going to say sort of, because we can jump ahead and jump back just to see how these things make sense a little bit, but the whole like, why is he putting his voice out there? It's like, best interpretation I could possibly give is he wants Rey to come to him. And it's like, so why does he want the world to know about him? But yeah, and he specifically tells Kylo to kill her.  It's like he can't launch his attack until she's dead. Yeah, his intentions like flip-flop. Yeah, because at the end he's like, lol, I was kidding the whole time. But it's like, wait, what?  But then she ultimately does kill him. But then nothing happens.  Okay, all right, well. Yeah, but it was with two lights. My favorite part of the crew.  It wasn't an anger. That was Mace Windu's mistake. You only used the one lightsaber. Can I make it on? Super bad. While you reminded me, Mace Windu was a force ghost, apparently, even though only Qui-Gon figured it out. Well, to be fair, we don't know if Qui-Gon didn't teach Mace Windu after that if he was a ghost. Okay, sure. I don't buy that. I wish he could actually do his voice in like full Samuel Jackson mode. Like, get up, motherfucker! You know how Palpatine... Careless motherfucker. You know how Palpatine said he's the voices of everybody inside Kyla's head? Imagine he faked all the Jedi voices just to troll Rey. Exactly. Well, we...   You can't do that. I was talking to you smaller yesterday about the whole, because it...  Palpatine's back. He's alive here. In fact, here he is in the flesh, working on Secret Evil Planet. And it says, and Palpatine says to Kylo that I've been every voice in your head and has Snoke and Darth Vader and stuff.  Kyle Ben. Ren, Kyle Ben, Kylo... Steve appears to Kylo Ren. Steve. I'm like, man, you're just trusting this. You're just buying this, even though you know that Palpatine controls the visions in your head and voices and stuff. You just totally buy that this is... Yeah, this is definitely my dad. It's got to be. Yeah, because he's like...  He's like, yes.  There are a lot of problems with the exchange between those two that I'll wait. So yeah, all of our questions about Snoke, none are answered in a decent way. It's just, yeah, lol, clone. Yeah, if anything, it's just like, right, you've kicked the can down the road. Now I need to know other things. I still can't get over the fact that the whole reason why Palpatine is ultimately defeated is because he announced his presence to the galaxy. And that was in the crawl itself. The opening crawl, this movie, creates such a profound contradiction in the plot or stupidity in the plot that... Ah, the... And because he wouldn't stop doing the lightning when it started disintegrating him. I would have stopped.   This isn't working properly. It's trying to stop pissing, like, midstream. You know what I mean? Like, I'm probably going to have to finish. My favorite part, though, is the scene where Kylo is talking to Palpatine is when Palpatine says, the girl, she's not who you think she is. And then he pulls like a smile that's just like, I've been fucking. Like, that's just... I've been getting busy. Also, I don't want to let anything slide on this movie, because, you know, he announces to the galaxy he's alive. And so when we see Kylo is killing all these guys and he gets a, like, a Sith holocron and everything, how did he learn where that thing was? It was really hard for Rain to find where the other one was. Yeah, and he didn't have Palpatine. What other thing is telling you about Palpatine? He had Darth Wuchi's other knife. Because here's what I know. What I know is that if I want to stay secret, right, if I want to stay hidden from the world and I send out assassins, what I do is I put the location where I'm at on the weapons my assassins use. Oh, man. I've got so many questions. I love how it just bleeds all over the film. Like, we cannot stay chronologically so hard. And also, like, isn't it pretty interesting that the blade has a little compartment on it that just so happens to perfectly match the... Oh, I laughed in the theater. It reminded me of the Family Guy thing. That's where one I'd really buried his gold. This is... This is JJ trying to have an Indiana Jones moment. Like, doing a bit of treasure hunting. But the thing about these wayfinders is you have to physically take the wayfinder and use it to get to the homeworld, right? So you can only take that thing from its location and use it once, basically. So no one's ever found it before. They broadcast the... Once they have the location from the wayfinder, they just broadcast it to the rest of the fleet. And so, you don't actually need the wayfinder to get there. Once they have the coordinates. But then whenever, when you see Kylo using it, he's having to, like, interface it into his TIE fighter. It's almost like it's acting as some kind of navigation system for him. Oh, do you remember? So it's not like you can just look at it and know you have to kind of take it with you, I think. But no, but at the end, everyone else get there. The Galactic Fleet. You know, the Millennium Falcon with like, Lando.  Like, because when Rey is flying through... Rey sends a message. Yeah, she's flying through an X-Wing and she broadcasts the coordinates to everyone letting everyone else pass through. So you don't actually need the wayfinder to get there. You just need the coordinates. Oh, yeah. So that was the interesting thing, right? They showed it on screen. She went from, like, dot to dot to dot. And in different directions, implying that it's not a straight shot, you've got to do all these things. But the place you see them fly through, it's all moving. It's in space. It's all moving, though. All of the, like, the Red Spacecad three stuff, like, that you have to avoid. It's all shifting. It's like, how can it be just... How can you... The only way, the only way is that... Is that Red Nebula? No, no. If that Red, like, Nebula of some kind was actually a portal into another spatial dimension that the planet was, like, lost in. So the only way you could... Yeah, that's Evil Scythe Force magic. That's totally not what's presented. No, that makes... I know that's not presented. There's a bigger issue of that, that's true. How did the Scythe ever leave? How did they find out how to... They all got holocrons. How'd they build their ships, though? There's no resources on that. I know! I guess! They had, like, the UPS guy had to be given a Wafi. Yeah, but, like, what do they eat? It's stuff like that. How do you exist on this planet? There's nothing here. How do you get equipment? It's a desolate planet with gravity wells and electric spikes of all kind and there is no infrastructure there for huge factories to build a fleet larger, like, you would assume the entire forces of the original Empire that required the resources of an entire galaxy to be able to build and sustain. That was implied.  It's not Dr. Evil.  Every single one of them. Everything is right. When it comes to the whole Scythe planet there's so much wrong with it and the thing that we were talking about before was does this like mean that Korriban isn't in, like, this? Because they said this is the Scythe homeworld but Korriban isn't... Yeah, Korriban's retcon now. Where's Korriban come from specifically? It's not in the Republic. Not even before then, the comic books and everything like Korriban was originally the homeworld of the Scythe race. The Scythe race was actually a different species in Star Wars and had these weird, kind of like, flappy, like flesh. They were red, right? Yeah, they were red and they hung over their things and they were supposed to be the first ones that embraced the dark side or something. And they were the Scythe and they were from Korriban. Yeah, but that's all retcons. Doesn't exist. Um...  We'll just keep on truckin'. So, General Leo Orgada dispatches secret agents to gather intelligence. I thought that was funny. I was just like... I think that's optimistic. Gather intelligence. And again, I just want to point out another like someone who was trying to defend this film tried to point out to me and says, No, no, no. Palpatine only broadcasts this to Kylo Ren. It's like, no, no. No. He broadcasts it to the galaxy. The galaxy is the malevolent voice of Palpatine. And that, and Leia, she heard it too. She dispatches spies. When they get that, that, that intelligence they say that the intelligence confirms he's alive, right? That's what they say.  He's at Exegol. Exegol is this...  I'm trying to choose which one I want to do first. The message from the spy, right? Why couldn't he have just sent it via email? That's a big message. That's not how it works. You have to send it through a tube into R2-T2. I mean, there's star plans I can get because the data in those plans would be astronomical, that bandwidth, something like that, right? But this was a simple message that basically said, oh, um, yeah, the Palpatine he is alive.  That's all that is. But no, they have to plug it into R2 and you see the upload thing on his thing. How could he take that log when it's like... I know! Email today doesn't take that long. It was a message that small. It's almost instantaneous for us. I wonder what the message actually says.  I'll have to watch it again. But isn't all they get out of it that Exegol is a place, the emperor has a fleet there, the emperor is alive and well, well, alive there. Like that's it, right? Yeah, and he wants to attack within a certain time frame. Yeah, and he wants to attack. There's nothing, there's not even a schematic. There's not like a readout. It's just a casual sentence. They could send us a hologram. They could do hologram Skype calls in the prequels. God, we're not even 1% into this film. What's up, something? What's up? It's me, Palpatine. I'm back. I know, right? It's crazy. Hashtag do it. Someone said, Tell Shad the Death Star plans are transmitted in A New Hope. Death Star plans, I can believe, are very complicated.  So that was also implying that this is a lot of information they tried to transmit. So, yeah. Yeah, I just thought it was funny that it was like layers gathering intelligence, non-descript intelligence. She was out there putting her feelers out for intelligence. While Rey, the last hope of the Jedi trains for battle against the diabolical first order. I have to agree with Poe.  Like, train it?  We need you.  Everything. Isn't out there helping them? She says that I have to train and Poe's like, train? No, you should be out there. You've beaten everyone already. And did Rey actually say that she's their best pilot or best fighter? Because I thought that was Poe. I thought Poe was like, his big thing was he was the best pilot. Yeah, well, if my dad used to be his thing for this movie, you would be forgiven for thinking Poe was actually not that great of a pilot at all. Yeah, he's about to do the light sprinting thing and then Chewie says something and then he goes, yeah, well, Rey's not here, is she? Oh my god, like, he's supposed to be pilot man. Like, what the hell? It is Rey. It's just that Rey can bang on about that compressor thing again. Oh, you've overloaded the compressor. I love, yeah, by the way, the first thing she says to him is like, you can't do that because of blah, blah, blah. He's like, well, I did. I did. And I love that they're angry at him. Finn thinks it was reckless. She's angry at him. It's like, you realize there's nothing else. Yeah, I was going to say, Shad, you said you didn't know why they were doing the light skipping thing, right? Yeah, they do. Well, they're doing it because of the hyperspace tracker. They don't say that. No, I agree. But like the clue would be that the Thai fighters keep jumping after them. If you know what I mean? Yeah, like that would be the but I'm blown away by the fact that the hyperspace tracker is now on individuals. Thai fighters. It's not quite a massive component in a Star Destroyer last movie that they had to turn this movie JJ made it worse. He didn't have to do that.  But no, he was just like, yeah, each Thai fighter can track you now. It's like, wow. And hang on. Didn't Han Solo say in The Force Awakens that coming out of hyperspace in a planet's atmosphere is insanity and one of the most difficult things anyone's ever done. And he was like, you can't do that as well. I'll risk it, right? But when Poe hyperspace jumps, skips or whatever he's coming out in atmosphere multiple times. In Force Awakens, he's talking about they're trying to go past a shield, right? That has a refresh rate of whatever so he has to get. Yeah, I agree. I totally agree with you that of all the things you could randomly light speed into all hyperdrive into, sorry. He bumps into three consecutive planets like what? Not only three consecutive planets, but three planets with giant Cthulhu monsters and towers and everything all over the place.  Imagine how, because JJ was probably like we got to make it interesting, right? But you just do it realistically and he goes, wow, they travel to space, that they travel again is space, travel again is space. He could tell that somewhere else each time, like he also, he also said last try maybe he said last to tab, maybe forever or something with the last one. Does that mean that wherever they ended up, hopefully they would, you know, they'd lost the typhus but they went home and they ran out of fuel or whatever. It's a good thing they didn't all follow us back here to our base. I think it was just a case of overloading their systems or something like if you do it in short order too much it'll blow up or whatever. But whatever, it had no repercussions. Well, the Falcon got damaged and Ray was all pissed at it, but I was just like, woman they're alive, they've got the info. I was annoyed because I was just what was he supposed to do? I didn't know that Falcon was upset over your ship. Fringy had the point there is like if it was a choice between hyperspace skipping and death Ray was supposed to imply that she would have rather than die then. You should have chosen death. I had the thought that would they try to imply that if Ray was there she could have escaped without light speed skipping? No, they were just implying that she would have advised them not to do it because of the compressor bullshit. Because that's the first thing she lectures them about when they arrive, so she's not here to stop me. How many TIE fighters actually on the Falcon's tail at that point? Are you saying they should have just taken them on? They should have just fought them! Paul Cote! They knock out loads of them, don't they? It's just TIE fighters. They're not that dangerous to them. They've wiped out so many, so easily. Are there new super TIE fighters each one of them has the fire fighters destroyed? I can't believe they all have a hyperspace tracker attached to them. Not only do they have a hyperspace tracker attached to all of them, but it seems to be automatic. Like they go and the TIE fighters seconds behind.  If they make more Star Wars movies and they've got to incorporate this into battles now, how impossible is this going to be to write?  The trackers are all broken down and we don't know why. We've invented new technology that makes the trackers redundant and not work anymore. TIE fighters also have hyperdrive now. Honestly? After you just say that, yeah, what I'll do is just, as a writer, I'll be like, hyperdrive used to run on a singular frequency. Everybody now is just they do use a random frequency to use it so you can't track it. Or is there a way to go into battle? Everyone got your tracker jammers ready? Exactly, just a tracker jammer. That's the kind of thing we'd be like, thanks by the way, Ryan. Thanks a lot. Man, remember we didn't have to worry about this? JJ just ran with it, man. Under one in a million things. I honestly think he did it to give him that scene where we've never seen that in Star Wars before. The hyperspace, hyperspace, hyperspace into all these different sort of giant rooms. Yes, the Han Solo equivalent of cheap world building that is meaningless. New things without any weight to them or interest. With all of this hyperspace tracking with the hyperspace kamikaze the rise of Skywalker has basically become the lower equivalence of the English language and it's just one massive mess. I can't make it work. You can try and pull out different pieces of stuff. It was kind of like hyperspace tracking is like an irregular verb. Yeah. Except, I have to re-except after C but here's 37 examples where that doesn't count in hyperspace. That's the English language I just created by Ryan. So then, Oh my goodness. I guess it ends with Meanwhile, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren rages in search of the Phantom Emperor determined to destroy any threat to his power. I'm just going to say that sentence structure there and the word choice is absolutely terrible. Yeah. Rage in search of something. Rage is in search of a phantom embryo. I almost think they meant to say range. He's ranging in search of him but he's just, no you don't understand he's angrily looking, okay? He's upset. That's what Kylo is. When you've lost your phone and you've looked everywhere that you think it reasonably should be and you're getting pissed off. That's what I love to do. The first planet he goes to is apparently Mustafar. That was confirmed by the visual dictionary. Obviously, there's nothing in the film I think that definitively says that. Wait, where does he go to Mustafar? That's the opening. That doesn't look like Mustafar. Who or what is he actually fighting? I was going to say right in the leaks I remember us reading that the two wayfinders it was the Emperor's wayfinder and Vader's wayfinder that's what they referred to as which makes kind of sense if Vader's would be on Mustafar and the Emperor's would be in his throne room or at least some kind of weird bathroom attached to it. But I was like if it's Vader's, why would Vader put it in a stone block in the middle of a forest? What? And then who's he fighting? Why would the people on Mustafar be like anti-Sith, you know? He just arrived there and just slaughtered them all. They're trying to help him but he's like I'm reaching in search of this thing. I think they'll please help me right over there in that box. Stop killing us please. We mentioned the breakneck speed of this film I just want to reference the fact that we see him kill a couple of people in slow motion, he picks up the object it zooms into it, it shows him flying through the space cancer already going to the Emperor. It's like whoa, alright, chill out. The fuck's happening. Those came attached to the thing. Apparently that works somehow. Did you guys notice the fact that he moonwalked his way into a lightsaber strike? Yeah. Oh yes. It was so cool though. He walked behind him and then he like steps back into someone. It's so unnecessary. You could just attack the normal. Your swordman. How practical is that? How practical is moonwalking and medieval warfare? Yes. We need to know. I can't even say how bad it is. He was very nice of them. Another point in the fight scenes when he's fighting the Knights of Wrenwright he turns like a round, a lightsaber on his back. He poses there and waits for someone to hit the lightsaber for a good while, right? Yeah, I remember that. He's pleased when it happens, right? Yeah. He makes a face of like, hey. That's so cool. It's so cool being here again. I'm going to vote for it. Just hit them and they'd be dead. The fact that he has the lightsaber anyways. Oh yeah, this is... You could transport objects through the force now. It just works now. They set it up with the water. It makes total sense that you can tell anything you want. These Sith holocrons, they seem to be fairly insecure. You'd think if the Sith made these things which leads to their home world they would have a code to access the information inside like anyone who picks them up. All you need to do is attach a few wires to them and boom, they work. Yeah. So, I think we kind of talked about this a little bit, but this is the seed to talk about it. There is a specific shot where he's heading to the planet and you can see the space cancer in the distance and do you know what's surrounding it? It's a lot of area that's blank. Seems to me you might be able to go around space cancer. Well, of course, it's space. It's not like a road where someone set up a toll booth. It comes across that way like you're not allowed to go here unless you go through that and everyone has to abide by it. It's like an unofficial rule. Yeah, it's like that would take me outside the shipping lane. I can't go that way. It just lands and looks like I didn't need to go through this. The entire huge fleet shows up at the end. They're about to go through the space.  That's not very sporting. We're just we're just going to go around it. No, you can't. Oh, fuck, they can. Drama. No, guys, come back to drama. Was he in hyperspace going through the space cancer or flying regularly? I'm pretty sure he was flying regularly. Flying regularly. I think that's what they were trying to say. It was like a weird version of hyperspace which took you to a completely different part of the universe, little in galaxy. Okay, that might explain the space cancer, but if they're just flying regularly, I don't know. But it was like physically there though, like when he said normal speed. They did this in Mass Effect too when they go to the Reaper World or whatever.  You go to the Collector Base. Yes, the Collector Base. There was like danger, but there was a reason where they had to like jump into that one spot. No, it's because they were in the Galactic Core. So, yeah. I don't say, yeah, dangerous shipyard and all that. They actually put some thought into it. There's almost like writer's danger.  What do you mean? I don't remember that anymore. What's that like? It was a wonderful time. It was a joyous time. Decades ago. Before Disney. So, what about like... Because we'll try and throw some positives in, I guess. What do you guys think of the place that the Emperor is chilling in this whole like... These are like statues. It looks cool. I mean, you know, the amenities are pretty lacking, but the outlook is nice. Yeah. It's very much a video game final level. Yeah, I'd agree with that. I think it has a cool factor and I'm happy to say I was like, oh, that's neat. This is kind of like Star Wars Moria. They're like, all right. They really play every trick in the book. Like with the cinematography. You know, lightning strikes. Yeah, like everything they can do to make this place look as sinister as possible.  Oh, yeah. Well, it's making like... I don't even know what you would call it, but you know, like... almost stretched violin sounds. Like... It's like... Oh, that must be annoying when you live there for years.  You can't live there if you have epilepsy. How could anyone live there? I was gonna say, I don't think anyone's gonna live there. No, but then... Thousands of people live there, apparently, so I'm kind of wrong about that. It raises a good question. How could this be the Sith homeworld if it's certainly a spitable term? I know how. I know how. The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities. Stop it!   Someone in chat just asked, how did she get back to Exegol when his wayfinder was in his vault or whatever, and Vedas was stuck in Mustafa? He asked the same question in my video. Sith memories. If you had the coordinates, you could just go there, so I guess you did that. That's thrown by Rey. Once you have the coordinates, you don't even need the wayfinder. Which is dumb, because you can't... I know it's dumb. If you have the planet, right? Man, you better hope no one finds that planet of yours because it's not like you could move it. The Force. They're just really good at keeping secrets. I guess. Surrounded by impenetrable forests. They should have... in barriers of blockage. They should have just said the whole space cancer surrounded the planet.  It's within a galactic cloud of gas. General Pride gets there. Did he go through this? How did he get through there? Well, he was commanding the ships at the end. Also, all of those troops made it there. Are all those troops like those beard robe dudes? And just armor now? I mean, it's not like armor. And each of the star destroyers are fully stocked. Where are they getting the resources? General Pride makes a statement as well. Like saying, if we can get position of this fleet, it'll increase our resources a thousand fold. Ten thousand fold. Ten thousand fold. So even say there's like ten thousand ships, which is a stretch. Ten thousands of these stars. That means you've got one of your own. I guess he's counting them as like more because they can destroy a planet each. Which means you can't get any resources from it. It's so weird. But then it's so unclear. What is the first order's situation? Are they on the ropes? Will building? What are you talking about? The previous movie implied that they were in control of the whole galaxy. Yeah, so then what do you need these star destroyers for? Get more control of the galaxy. Okay, planet destroying technology is now so like you can make that so compact and apparently you can just make thousands of them on a whim. Star destroyer hovering over every planet in the galaxy.   It's the equivalent of everyone being able to just buy nukes on Amazon. When everyone's super. I mentioned this in my video.   And that's completely out the window now. It's just a gun. It's just an attachment.  It's a tier four upgrade for your ships and you just slap that puppy on there. The M4A1 attachment Death Star laser. Throw it off. You equip your ships with an underbarrel planet destroyer. People try and say it's a progression of technology. So you're saying in like 40 years they managed to compress something that required a small moon to be able to achieve into something the size of a star destroyer. That's not just a progression in technology. That's a leap of unfathomable magnitude in such a short time. Like, oh my goodness. What you're forgetting is that the force... No, stop it. We have invented technology. You could have never conceived. The will of the force. Well, there's also the problem as well. What if one of these ships was boarded by the enemy and fell into enemy hands? Suddenly, your enemy got control of a planet-killing ship. They immediately target Exegol and Palpatine's like, Not again.  Palpatine would survive if Exegol got loaded, I guess. If the laser was literally pointed at its eyeball, he'd survive. He's still alive. He's clearly still alive, guys.  I do love the idea that Disney are like, he didn't die before, but he's dead now, and it's like, oh, okay. You sure? They're like, well, it depends how long the actor lives before we might bring it back. I mean, with Grand Moff Tarkin, that's not even true, is it? I mean, Leia was in the... Can we talk about Leia? Why not? I am sure you will be able to add to this. But when I watched this movie, this film, this experience, I felt like the Leia bits were very clunky and awkward. Oh, yeah, I thought that impression. The actress was dead, you know? Well, it's clear like, they obviously had to construct scenes entirely around what little snippets of dialogue they actually had her saying. You know, there was a bit where she was just like, be optimistic, and it's like, oh, fuck, we need to construct an entire situation that's going to justify her saying that thing. What deleted scene from The Last Jedi was that pulled from? It was like, just... They have her, like, they show her from the front, saying, like, Ray, I need to tell you something. Then they cut through a behind-the-view from her. All the specific stuff to the situation. And then it cuts to her front again, as she says, like, you see, that's what I had to say. It's the bit where she walks away and Maz can act. She's just like, Leia knows what she has to do now. She just speaks for it. It's so awkward.  You're saying, you're saying we should destroy... You're saying we need to go to school? The super awkward thing for me, right, is there's a deleted scene that I've seen. I talk about it. I'm pretty sure I've actually... where she says to, like, they're concerned about BB-8 and Poe because of what's happened in Force Awakens, like, the opening scene. And it's, funnily enough, it's, what's his name? Snap Wexley talking to her. Who's Snap Wexley? He's Discount Porkins. Oh. Is he the big one? I guess he's a larger gentleman. Is he the portly gentleman? I mean, I think I brought this up on the other stream, but so his name is Greg Grunberg. That's a great name. Wait, is that his real name or a Star Wars name? No, it's his real name. Okay. Snap Wexley. There's someone in this movie called Babu Frick.  Okay, all right, look. I actually liked him in... He was the mind-reading man in Heroes Season 1. He was good in that. He was also in All of Alias. He's a good friend of J.J. Abrams, as far as I'm aware. He was in the Force Awakens relatively briefly, but he was still there. Ryan forgot about him. And he just wasn't in TLJ, even though we saw what was left of the resistance on that ship. He's not in the film. He alone was 5% of the resistance. I mean, he was a large guy. Maybe he's 10%.  And he just comes back. But there's a deleted scene where he's talking about... I think it's him. It could be someone else. Talking about the dire situation of Poe having been captured at the beginning of Force Awakens. And the droid hasn't been found. And then they're like, Oh, God, we're fucked. And then she says, Never underestimate a droid. And then when I saw her say that, it rises sky-wide. I was like, Oh. Oh, dear. And you know, that's how they did it. They looked at all of their footage of her. And they're like, How can we wedge this into the film? He's like, Yeah, but definitely felt like you knew she wasn't there. You knew that this was camera trickery. You know, this was repurposing of scenes. All of her dialogue seemed short, glib, awkward. It was really, really strange, certainly noticeable while I was watching it. To the point where, man, she was in this film fake her ghost play. Yeah, way too much. Absolutely. And then they're just like, Yeah, she's done. You know, I keep wondering, would it have been better to just kill her off-screen and have the movie kind of open with her funeral or something like that? Yes. There would have been so much more things. I think so, actually, yeah. I think so, yeah. I think so. Does anything even change if we take her out of the movie? Yeah, Ben. Ben wouldn't have got stabbed. We can totally change that. Yeah, we can get around that.  That was an interesting moment though. It was like, Holy shit, I think Ray's going to leave it. Oh, apparently, according to Midnight's Edge, it was only Repipa's TFA footage. There was no TLJ footage that was used. I heard that. I don't know if there's a particular reason. Maybe he really just hates that film. It's taken it a bit far, but all right. I wouldn't even use ATX from it. I'm not going to give Ryan credit for anything.  We'll get to that. This film totally middle fingers Ryan Johnson so many times. It is so fair. Fingers Ryan Johnson. Yes. Yes, it does. Right in the bottom hole. The Emperor tells Kylo that he has been the voice of Vader, the voice of Snoke, and obviously himself inside Kylo's head this whole time. Now, this is a pretty big deal, considering that The Force Awakens made it very clear that the motivation for Kylo almost entirely is that Vader has been talking to him about how he needs to do X, Y, and Z. And obviously we all took issue with it as viewers, because we were like, but Vader's a good man. That doesn't make any sense. And so it would be like, apparently no one told Kylo that he was a good man and that he just believed that Vader was bullshitting everyone else. But like finding this out should be like world shattering.  I have to go back and tell Luke that, like, oh my God, like I've been tricked. I'm so sorry. I can't believe it.  Well, there's kind of other implication to this as well, because if Palpatine was controlling Snoke as a puppet, then he was aware that Kylo Ren betrayed Snoke and murdered him. So why would he try and enlist his help now when he's like, yeah, you're clearly the kind of person who kills your master. There's a key piece of dialogue. He wants that. He wants to be killed in anger, though. But it has to be by Rey. No, I don't think he cares about that. Palpatine didn't need Kylo or Rey. He had a full fleet. He could have conquered the galaxy just by himself. Yeah, but he's a flimpy corpse. He needs his... He wouldn't even be in that sweetest young Jedi juice.  I'm like a dementor.  This is why his plan is so unsensical. He didn't know he could absorb life force when they get together. That was a surprise. It wasn't to do that. Okay, he wants Rey dead. So it isn't to overtake Rey's body. So is he wanting to overtake Kylo's body? And if he does, why does he send Kylo out to kill Rey? He could have done it right then. He saw Kylo with his shirt off. He wants that body. I wanted to highlight, though. Do you remember when Kylo first Skype calls Rey? Or is he the first or second?  Kylo, Snoke was the one who set up the connection between you and Rey. Snoke is puppeteered by Palpatine. What makes you think Palpatine can't just listen to what you're saying right now? I already know he can transmit into Kylo's head.  You're right. That's another huge moment in the film where I was like, hang on. You can't just talk to anybody at any moment for any... It's as casual as a phone call. He's like, hey, Kylo, I've got some updates for you. It's implied that it has to be Palpatine that's facilitating all of these encounters because, like Kylo mentions in The Last Jedi, you couldn't be doing this yourself when he's talking to Rey.  And then you find out that it was actually Snoke who was doing it, but then clearly it was Snoke controlled by Palpatine. So he must be aware of all of these conversations. He was controlling Snoke. We just say he made Snoke. I was going to say there's a key piece of dialogue where he says Snoke trained you well, implying Snoke was actually his own dude. It's just that Palpatine created him. Yeah, not I trained you well because that was me the whole time. Because honestly, I think Ryan Johnson would have actually... I would love to be on set when they were making TLJ and be like, Snoke is his own dude. Like I know he's not important. I know we don't care about his backstory and it's awesome that you're killing him. But he is his own dude, right? Like he makes his own decisions. He has his own interests. Yeah. Like are we supposed to... And I know that he'd be like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. The JG would just be in the background like plotting. He would just be in his head slowly. JG.  JG's the Palpatine of the Star Wars. Yeah. Disney was manipulating both of them from behind the scenes.  I was going to highlight by the way, we only have one hour left before we're not allowed to talk about the movie anymore because that would be over the amount of time the movie is. So you know the rules guys. You know the rules. Yeah, it's a shame.  We're also about to cross 10,000 live viewers. That's kind of surprising. Really? Yeah. Really cool. 9991. I think that's actually a record for an EFAP episode because we had the Game of Thrones discussion once that went over it I think but this is definitely the highest we've ever had. Oh really? People want to see us rip into this movie apparently.  It's really bad.  We're not going to finish. We could talk about this movie for 12 hours. Oh is this the thing we're barely scratching the surface? We've got so much to get through. EFAP. I had a nap this afternoon. I'm good to go. Oh this is like past the time I normally go to bed. So I might die. That's over 10k. There we go. We did it guys. High five. All right. See you next week everybody. Bye. Talk amongst yourselves. Clearly enough of you. So the fact that there's Snoke clothes in the tags despite the fact that Snoke has been running now for like 10 years does that mean he's been trying to make new ones? Or is it... Why keep those if they're the original? Or this actually could explain it that Snoke recently died therefore he's trying to make some new ones. Why? I mean... I don't know. This is a year later so yeah like if you had them in reserve why can't you just like send out a new Snoke to replace the original one? Well it's not even just that. Remember how powerful Snoke is? Like why would you not just want to mass produce these things? That's what I'm trying to say. Yes exactly. In the Clone Wars it's shown that making clones isn't that difficult once you have like the original DNA and stuff like that and so there shouldn't be too much... No but you know if he's having difficulty building... I mean he had no difficulty building 10,000 Star Destroyers but one clone. That's tough on there. It's a tricky one to get around. Well some people say that his army, that people who are crewing all these Star Destroyers are clones. But they all look different. But they all look different. But they were clones of multiple people. Oh right. So he's had the clone... I don't care where were the cloning vats there. What they did with the Camino together. And then if he's doing that why not make a few million Snoke's who are incredibly powerful Force users? Yeah.  Just to generate the real test to you. Why not just clone... Why not just clone another Rey? And then you've got one right there. Or clone like yourself. Clone Palpatine. You touched up the balance of the Force. Oh yeah but the balance of the Force is there's like 10,000 Sith on Exegol. So there was never balance. But what were they doing? They're just hanging out forever. And now where the Rise of Skywalker ends it's Rey and you're like okay so what's the balance like now?  Well yes Rags. Did you see her in this movie? She was in a vision. She had golem face. She had golem teeth. But there has to be one though. There has to be out there a dark side Rey equivalent. Somewhere in the galaxy. No all the Sith are dead. It's a convenient all the Sith got crushed in the dead. Well no because the balance... We have no problems now. We have no problems until they want to make more movies and then we do exactly. Yay. You mentioned how confused... A whole there must be balance in the Force is very misunderstood. I think originally for the Force to be in balance it meant that the light side was in power. Like that is what true balance of the Force is the dark side is the anomaly and it isn't like equal dark side power and light side power but with the new sequels implying that no good can't be winning. It has to be a balance between evil and good and they're always fighting. That's what the Force is trying to do.  Screw the Force if it is doing that. The video that Rags Wolf and I watched it was like yeah it makes total sense you have loads of Jedi they're all counterbalanced by Palpatine who then is like every one of them dies then Luke comes into counterbalance Palpatine like what no then it's like it makes sense because then you end up with Rey and she's counterbalanced by Kylo who's flipping between the... It's all very straightforward it makes complete sense and then at one point he just goes I'm not including Palpatine in this whole thing I don't even know if he's alive or not. It's just like we can't just ignore Palpatine. That chart did the opposite of what a chart is supposed to do.  The chart made it worse. Because it doesn't make sense. Because none of this makes sense. Even the original concept where if the Force was in balance by the light side being in power that was the true balance then the prophecy of Anakin bringing balance to the Force the Force was already in balance with the Jedi in power unless they're trying to say the Jedi were crapped and his whole purpose was to destroy the Jedi Order like... I think the whole concept behind the Jedi was that they were almost like force neutral because they strive to like eliminate emotions that's the underlying implications of the Jedi's philosophy and it's not a good philosophy you cannot believe in true good because that's an absolute and only sith deal in absolutes which is an absolute statement Objectively no review is objective We have to get rid of your emotions even though they're a part of you that you literally can't get rid of the wrinkles in your brain you can't make them go away You have to learn to not care about all the things that you care about that was what Yoda was saying learn to let go of all the things you were afraid to lose and so I was like you're not a failure man thanks Yoda gosh I hate Yoda now I love the Emperor Palpatine for the win next up he's like selling the final order to Kylo this is the proposition go kill Rey and I will give you all of my ships and you can take over the galaxy we've already taken over the galaxy were you offering me can I use one of those? you're bargaining with the supreme leader of the first order that's effectively the ruler of the galaxy already the galaxy trotting already and really why does so his palpatine's original plan is to make Kylo his successor he doesn't want to overtake Kylo he wants to set up Kylo as his successor but why? Kylo already has the galaxy was he trolling at that point? he was just using him to get Rey to him so that she can kill him and then take over her body and then kill Rey how does Kylo play into that then? so he's like there to facilitate it like I don't know maybe he knows that Kylo can't kill Rey because he's not willing to do it he was unaware of the force dyad even Kylo says he's unaware of the force dyad and remember he's shocked he's like oh my god a dyad of the force I can't believe you brought the dyad right to me oh my god my fingers are growing they're growing now I can jerk off so much the motivations of this character are just flippant at dying with the fingers growing back something else must have grown I need your last Kylo I need your big dick energy there has been an awakening my pants now that's what they mean by the rise oh my god I need like 10 minutes I'll be right back the 10,000 of you turn around I can't resist talking about it now because we're on the scene but you know he gets red clothing once he's rejuvenated I love the idea that they were on the floor knocked out and he walked off to his bedroom and he put on some new clothes he's like oh what would work in a situation like this I can't wear all black all blacks just die feast your eyes and despair on a scale of 1 to 10 how fly am I look at my swagger and when he's selling this to Kylo it's not connected in the back I am the chastle I think we've just pointed out that Palpatine could not have been manipulating Kylo because the defence would be he told Kylo to kill Rey knowing Kylo wouldn't be able to kill Rey and ultimately lead Rey to him but if he didn't know of the dyad then what the hell is his goal there's no guarantee that would work and he has a whole fleet of lackeys and everything if he really wanted Rey brought to him why is he relying on this shaky flimsy flip floppy dark side person who might even like him when he could have just sent out an army of people to kidnap her or whatever but it's too powerful that would work I think that up to the moment in which he was incinerated into pieces he would have just been like this is all a part of my plan this is exactly how I thought it was going to go even while he was being incinerated he's captured like Joker style he's just like yeah you think this isn't a part of my plan too so things just happen to work out from in other movies turns out he always just does random stuff and says this is part of my plan everyone in this universe is incompetent beyond belief if you think about it Kylo was never actually he was on top of Palpatine throughout the whole thing he immediately says he's going to actually kill Palpatine Palpatine doesn't know about the dyad which is true and that he just wants I guess he probably wants his ships I don't know if he does and you think about all the way to the end of the film he decides actually I'm going to kill the Emperor with Rey there's no point where the Emperor is tricked Kylo outside of just cheating the Emperor types in God mode into the console and just stops the both of them from doing anything I thought it was so disappointing it's just like oh they just lose that's right the fact that so you have Rey with a lightsaber Kylo with his lightsaber they approach Palpatine you're like oh my goodness and then he just force stops them nope oh okay he didn't block them on the head with their lightsabers like Snoke did though so he loses a point for that Snoke's got style I see you think like oh there's got to be like an epic lightsaber for it's like yay like nope stop it I'm glad we didn't get more she fee lightsaber what I want to see him go whoa spin around fighting with a lightsaber with that thing coming out of his rear end like moving him around like a party oh if only I didn't have this sith catheter attached to me yeah so they show his hands right like moving up would and then they show a star destroyer getting like pulled from beneath the ground up into the air you guys remember this right okay I have a lot of quest about this okay because I watched that and at no point did my brain connect the raising hand to him raising the entire fleet through the force like because that such an idea would be so ridiculous and so OP in the realms of force you know lifting manipulation that no way could anyone lift an entire more ridiculous thousands of ships I just took that they can go up they can I just took that with him you know mirroring it like and just timing it right that when he's raising his arms that the ships are you know initiating their anti-gravel whatever and raising up the same time not using the force but when I was watching angry Joe and he was saying he's lifting it with the force and I'm like no that can be because that would be I thought he was I thought he was like they were they were constructed underneath the icy surface of this planet keep them hidden right why why why why what's the point in hiding them let me ask you this what's the point in the main voyage of your brand new ship being plowed through the fucking ground why would you do that but since they the ships the ships can't go up so it must have been him lifting it up with the force well in fairness the navigation tower would have been active at that point right so they could go up they could go up because the tower was like oh yeah ups that that it's like you see me pointing it's like that tower is pointing up it is fucking retarded whether or not he moved it himself but that would be even stupider assuming he did I honestly think that's what they're implying yeah that he was lifting with the force III because if that's the case holy crap yeah he's pretty powerful oh oh and you see this shot where like you see like hundreds of them and several ships you see like hundreds of them and several of them have like soil and rocks falling off them implying they all just came from the surface and it's like dude damage really felt and I thought you're gonna say I saw you on them I saw you destroy it that's what they were eating we destroyed I saw you remember when the force was like this subtle thing that like might allow you to like move a rock or you'd be able to pull an object to yourself and then when you see someone cast force lightning it was like holy shit that's powerful man now we're just into realms where it's farcical and it can do anything and it's just it has no meaning anymore we are this level of game palpatine being able to destroy a planet with the force it has become harry potter magic that can do anything any time once upon a time like in the in the original trilogy and like if it stuck to the core you know utility of what the force was shown to do that actually formed a fairly solid hard magic system with good restrictions and limitations now they're just throwing it out the window and it can do anything that the plot wants to do and it just made it and it's become such a deus ex machina mechanic throughout this whole film like whenever you know someone's dead oh we'll just heal them whenever you know I'm about to be defeated oh all the Jedi will come to me and I have magic now that will save the day it is actually palpatine arrives palpatine arrives he's like why are you still alive and he just goes the force lol yeah yeah that's this film that is this film oh how did this work we're gonna get to those there's more of those that's how they do it in the movie that's how they've written them that's the thing like we were a previous e-fab stream we were talking about this and that some of the defenses people were saying about how something could happen would just be the force and we're saying it as a joke that it's so ridiculous just ends something with how does it happen the force and then palpatine actually says that in this movie the force like a meme has become reality now and is like no just in Relevance what we were talking about Emi said if it's some kind of exoplanet with really horrible weather and stuff maybe it's reasonable to build it underground which is a partial explanation but then why would you bring them out so early just to chill why would you not build them in space that's too but then also why the fuck would you drive them through the ground how dangerous is that in terms of just the shit ran through the funny and fine it couldn't go through like the ice come on come on now the ice is so broken and like fucked up on the star destroyers there's those like things at the top there's like two of them one on each side and they think they're the shield generators that they have to be destroyed first they imagine they get destroyed on their way up through the ground it just destroys the whole thing like well we probably could have done a better job clearly an example of just wanting a cool visual and not giving any thought at all to its deeper implications in the pod and everything like that he just JJ must have just wanted a visual thing of you know star destroyers rising out to the ground like an army of the undead maybe he's got more in common with Ryan than we thought I think so because when we watched the trailer and there are a thousand star destroyers it's like of course yeah of course she thought that was cool you know that was a cool shot the directors who make money are the ones who makes cool stuff to put in the trailer not the ones who make it well then you see the rebel fleet as well and it's just like in such insanely tight formation you're like yeah hundreds of those ships must have got destroyed oh god there's so much wrong with that it's I think it's part of the reason why these are sequel movies some sort of or at least they did trick a lot of people was because the shots are very nice so when you look at it you're like oh this looks really good but not like you know like superhero movie good this looks really good there's something more to this but it's not it's all like a trick it's a ruse now the talent lies in making cool looking shots it does right because when you look at the prequels you're like oh there's something that looks a little bit different about these you know what I mean they look a little bit shit not like height well I mean I don't think that episode three looks bad really at all so I disagree on that one but it doesn't look good oh fight fight fight fight fight you know in the original trilogy you know whenever you saw a ship it was a miniature that someone had to physically build yeah they should still be doing that yeah there's a certain feel and a look that you get to something like that and it just feels solid and real whereas now you're just very much aware that okay I can take a star destroyer in CGI and just copy paste it a thousand times yeah there's nothing involved in it there's no effort and there's no there's no there is effort you know I'm sure there is a major skill yeah you are yeah you are dampening the effort that they took to destroy everything okay that took some there's probably some CGI artists in the chat who are like oh sorry guys I think drinkers point is that it would be more difficult to have physically hand made those thousand you know starter stories and have a shot you wouldn't make a thousand of them the thing about it is the interesting for the ones in the back in terms of man hours plus cost versus the CGI stuff CGI stuff it's just like it all just gets put into this bin if you will and then everyone has to work with it while the other stuff you know you have to get sets ready up to get model artists there's all kinds of different things that come into it and um it just seems to me like I hate to say it it's not it's not a judgment on CGI artists at all it more so the director himself just being like CGI people can take care of that I think what we know is that because there's a lot of people who make videos like oh is CGI getting worse it's like well the CGI is not getting like worse the technology is there you can't regress once you've reached a certain level you know like you're only going to get better but it's a matter of time resources money and yeah whether or not the director knows how to use CGI because you often hear people talk about this it's like you know there's a lot of times where there's errors and stuff and it's like or it wasn't set up optimally for the CGI people they're like yeah they'll sort it out they'll fix it but then it's like there's always so much you can do with the amount of time that you have um what a digital video on Black Panther it is called parodigital borns that react to CGI right probably they're one on Black Panther it's amazing it goes into really great detail and how it all works oh the CGI in that film was disgusting exactly that they break down exactly everything it gets why it looks like it's in two scenes but the thing is it's the reason why because avatar still looks pretty good even though it's you know 10 years old at this point it still looks pretty good um and yet we have movies that come out afterwards that look really crappy even though that it should look better by the fact that the technology is better but there's budget one of the things I appreciated about force awakens was like a lot of the battle scenes were done on practical sets with pyrotechnics and stuff so you know when Finn and Poe are trying to escape in the tie fighter at the beginning they're shooting up the hangar you know those explosions and the people get flung around like that stunt men and real explosions and it just feels and looks so much better it looks so good I feel like I would assume they got less money for this movie is that no there's no doubt that they spent a shit ton on this I think they're talking about 300 million the reshoot and then the marketing budget like the marketing's been insane it's been everywhere on all kinds of objects they probably made this movie about three times do you guys see the budget they've spent the facebook emojis have been replaced with star wars things do you see the ad with the girl at the airport who's like got lights on so cringy they put fucking characters in fortnite they were really really desperate JJ Abrams is in fortnite for those of you who aren't aware in the fortnite scene unironically JJ Abrams is a skin for fortnite his special ability in the game is to blind you with lens flares and if you ask and don't even bother asking if it makes sense or not I feel like that would actually be pretty fun like if JJ actually approved that I'd be like hey it gets full I don't have abilities though I heard there was a reply to a youtube comment or twitter or something that palpatine survival was explained through fortnite does anyone know I think you're on to something actually I've heard this in order to get the full story of this movie I think you have to have played battlefront 2 fortnite and watched I just love the idea that we fight that out and then spotting school says he's like ah true cinema I want to know if he thinks the rise of skywalker is true cinema I would guess no here's a question are we allowed to talk about full order spoilers because wolf told me a spoiler from full order that has implications because most if not audiences wouldn't even consider it in canon with the mainline movies much like most games no you don't I didn't say it was okay well so can I talk about it then well what he showed me was that the planet that the star killer base is on like it's already part way constructed in jedi fallen order which is set between episodes 3 and 6 so the star killer base was being built before we even saw the death star for the first time like for the first time fully completed it was being made before a new hope that's not even a spoiler no really what is that what they're saying star killer base was being built before a new hope no oh my goodness since that it would take so long to build something like that I thought the empire and the first order weren't one and the same that's my point it's like their explanation would be they were building it for some other purpose you know they were making like another reason they were building something like a water park or something and they just yeah it definitely we we were trying to make the perfect rack of ribs guys we weren't trying to destroy planets or anything I promise everything about star killer base generator to generate like you know something like that they were turning the planet into some giant oh actually maybe wolf got it wrong couple of people saying they were strip mining it or something like that what's the planet star killer base is is it called illum yeah it's called illum I think James Morgan said you need to read Vader immortal to know why mustapha is ass Vader immortal and then you need to play fortnite in order to know why palpatine is back palpatine is mine I just checked for the scene that's only the scene where they go to no apparently it was like audio it's like a broadcast in fortnite around the world or something actually have to play fortnite to know we have to play fortnite to get the star wars lore we're in that timeline guys where did we go wrong what happened we are in the poop dimension default dance on the sith boys come back George we're so sorry George may have sold toys but he didn't sell the lore he sold the toys yeah the star killer base being constructed being constructed they've made a lot of progress by this point already I did wonder why does the trench have to go all the way around the planet when the cannon is only mounted in one part of it because there was a trench if you remember on the deaths originally the star killer base makes it one of the most stupid pieces crap ever put into a movie you can shoot multiple planets and people can watch those planets be destroyed several light years away which should have taken a few hundred years for that actual actually see it it shoots through high it is dumb on every level how do the clouds not fall in the trench oh my god does it rain now what if it rains over the how is the trench not a sea well we discussed this previously I think this planet moves between systems so that it can target it's next sorry the planet has a propulsion system imagine how taxing that must be to run well not just that but it has to fly through the vacuum of space away from any suns that are going to keep it warm so like it's going to drop to like minus 500 degrees I was actually getting a question you on that because because it can shoot through hyperspace I was thinking well that means it doesn't need a move to shoot but it has to absorb a star every time it has to go through a new solar system each time holy crap that's just got worse we've gone down the rabbit hole gentlemen we're coming back Star Wars well JJ Abrams has a famous quote Star Wars isn't about science so god damn it just enjoy yourselves jesus imagine you built that entire fucking planet sized base that was like that impractical and then found out oh yeah Palpatine can just like do the same thing with the Star Destroyer Palpatine's message was apparently at last the work of generations is complete the great era is corrected the day of victory is at hand the day of revenge the day of the Sith that's what was broadcasted in Fortnite and apparently that message is what they're referencing in the title crawl that's fucking hilarious I just love the idea gotta give people a reason to play fortnite yeah Poe is like you guys play fortnite he put out a message I have been playing fortnite for 36 years mastering my skills that's why his fingers are so fucked up he's going back the lore expands oh my god I can't believe how long this is gonna I knew this would take us ages but fuck it we are at 7 minutes excellent progress so again with the JJ tries some stuff here tries to do some good if you guys remember the scene where Poe and Finn are playing the space chess against Chewie and like Poe implies he's cheating and she was like what the fuck I kind of remember thinking like I kind of like that when Poe is like you've been playing this for 250 years I know you're cheating he's just trying to say like yeah I know you're good at this whatever JJ is good at this kind of rapid fire dialogue between characters that's one thing I'll say about it you can get a little bit of banter going and that's fine he's good at the bans it's just it's just unfortunate because I always felt I think a lot of people felt it was a mistake to separate Poe in the first film even they did because they literally resurrected him and then the whole the second film just separates everybody like Finn from Poe Poe from Ray Ray from Finn like nobody's together of our main cast so it's just like okay and now this film because that was the first thing that I think a lot of us know is from the trailers we were like oh look they're all on an adventure together it's like JJ's trying he's really trying he really is and that that is a good aspect of what he's been trying to do here I mean he's obviously listened to some of the criticism of the previous movies and he's done what he can to correct it but then having the three of them put together now it's just far too little too late like they should have history together but they got nothing because we've never had them together before I think we mentioned this on the um the the quick stream that me and uh Fringing J did but the the original trilogy set of characters are thrust together thanks to the plot like there's very definitive reasons why they're all together it's not because they all love each other it's that they've all got something specific that's happening um and we eventually through their adventures are like man I really like these people and I like them together and I really care about them these films is like look our characters are together you're like what oh why I guess that makes sense sort of yeah I guess they have a reason I yeah hang on didn't Ray even say that she was going to go after the thing by herself and then they were like no we're coming with you we're coming with you yeah yeah yeah look how she says it's dangerous it's like we're in a war yeah dangerous kind of what we do if it was Ryan Johnson directing then they would have relented and said all right you go on your own we're going to go on the plot because no if it was Ryan Johnson Ray would have like forced choked them and knocked them unconscious or something you go with some slaves my slaves I mean animals oh I didn't think about this um the way the chat just said the way Finder belongs to Vader so Anakin didn't tell Luke the Emperor had like a whole base and stay alive and that there was obvious star destroyers and just this whole thing is going on maybe Vader didn't know what it was the emperor just said to him like break this in case of an emergency this is a triangle to them just it's just look after it he's like okay he's like you know I want to look with my own eyes or something like that he's about to die he goes by the way just a small thing I do like that there would be no plot if um like what happened in Return of the Jedi was real and the um the second Death Star actually completely vaporized it's like well guess that's the end of that yeah what we saw with our lying eyes lucky all those vital areas happened to survive and crash intact onto a planet talk about um shocking stakes for like back in the day like it was 1983 was it that was returning the Jedi so let's picture there's an after the credits scene where we see Palpatine getting into his ship from surviving the blast everyone's like what then he arrives at Exegol and he's like how are the thousands of planet destroying Star Destroyer everybody's like what what so what was accomplished nothing it would blow them out they'd be like what nonsense is this like okay fuck what did our heroes do nothing well that's the big that's the that's the ultimate like pain of the sequel truanties it's like everything that they did counted for jack shit that's the whole thing well how the horrors of this right so someone was talking about how you can skip tlj now all you need to do is you watch tfa and then you find out that Luke died you just died he had like a heart attack and Snoke died and Kylo took over they both had heart attacks the role that happens and then everything sort of can run normally because the character quote-unquote development is pretty much either ignored or irrelevant um there's absolutely nothing there's nothing to there's no world building stakes either no concept of what's going on so but then also sadly if you look at this sort of saga as a whole you watch the prequels you can kind of just kind of just skip the OT like oh fuck I know how that sounds nothing happens like what do you need to see the OT for if the only goal is to understand how Palpatine is ultimately defeated it's like yeah you don't really need that part fuck you can literally skip the OT um thanks for the time save does it make more sense if you skip the OT because then you don't find out these characters don't seem as no it would have made it would have made it makes more sense without the it's like what do you mean these characters are inconsistent if I see this OT you speak of then you don't see how like then you don't see how Palpatine dies like oh you know maybe he was just like stabbed through the chest and he healed himself or something yeah he does yeah you don't see like it doesn't matter that Han is now a crappy smuggler anymore it doesn't matter that Luke Skywalker is like oh Han was who's this piece of shit deadbeat dad yeah it's just some guy he's like his dad I guess cause it's the original series that makes there the new interpretation of these characters so dumb and inconsistent but if you remove the original series and plus everything to do with Force Ghost being able to summon white like savers also makes more sense cause you know what it's in you're like why does no one just yeah it does it really does it basically makes this is why this is why the sequels will always be worse than the prequels because the prequels don't deal anywhere near this much damage to the Star Wars series but the sequels like pretty much undermine everything that the original trilogy did not only in terms of what actually happened in the plot but also a lot of the themes of the story um yeah they damage the themes someone incredibly cruel show someone the prequels and then the sequels and tell them those are the only movies that works oh jeez I would love that I would so absolutely love that they turn up to an informant who has been informed by a spy from the first order that is the plot they come out of hyperspace and then immediately begin collecting information but they're immediately ambushed by TIE fighters does this mean that the first order will like lying in weight? I guess they were on their way that's a good question seems weird to me we just needed some pu pu lasers in the beginning that's all we needed and I mean we've already mentioned how dumb it is that they need a physical link to transfer such a small simple message yeah but there's no such thing how does the first order know about this you know exchange so it's a spy spy it's a spy stuff I apologize for that joke then as we went over for some reason to transfer like a sentence of information it takes like a minute to put it through a big flimpy wire into r2d2 you could have just said it to him it literally has just been like this is the information your r2 is a 4.1 usb connection right because that's what we've got and I've got to find an adapter if he's not that thing we should have discussed earlier but the wire is so massive as well it's like the data is actually physically getting pushed into it like they printed out the sentence so they should be able to get through the wire it's just sludge like data sludge data sludge they literally could have called out how do computers function in this universe Jesus but like you're right they could have just called out Palpatine's alive he has a fleet of ships on this planet it's cold and it's going to attack in so many days that's the whole message right there I said it right there they could have just you could have written it on a piece of paper tied it to a rock and flung it in the hatch it's like do you remember by the way he's like how can we thank you for this information he goes win the war it's like all you've told us is that the emperor now has a thousand additional ships and you're telling us just win just win you'll be fine don't worry all destroy planets good luck this totally brings me back to the last Jedi where it's like oh they've got this hyperspace tracker on the 50 mile wide like flagship of the first order fleet and pose first responses so we blow it up how are you going to do that and then he's like I like where your head's at but that's not going to work because every single one of them has a tracker it's like my brain helps god damn yeah so that was a good time to get the war hammer they so they begin escaping as we covered they there's like a good I want to say 30 tie fighters chasing them but most of them get destroyed by they drop a thing like loads them get fucked up and then they do that's kind of why they do the hyperspace sort of hop each time every time they materialize like some of the tie fighters will hit some piece of debris or whatever and it's like we're going to keep doing that because we can fly them perhaps that could be looked at well I was going to say the first instance of good luck we've already had several instances of bad luck but uh just the idea that you have let's just say eight tie fighters following them and the Falcon they all hyperspace together because that's the other tracking and everything and they do it three times and all the tie fighters get wiped out the Falcon makes it it's like which one was the biggest ship out of all of them let's remember that hold those showed us that if you go through something while hyperspacing you crash into it so all of those jumps were that's one in a million they didn't travel through anything even though they landed on planets three times those are open galactic lines of sight I don't know how to survive this there's no words this movie is so terrible use the force to survive the stream do you think if JJ was forced to listen to this entire stream that he would what would his conclusion be oh I think he like wasn't he like what were you saying that he was like creatively tied into a corner and then like everything he made was changed creatively bankrupt I'm curious if he would be like yeah the film the film is flawed I wonder if he'd say that or if he'd Ryan Johnson and be like I'm not here at any good criticism that's one more for my family okay okay the movie is perfect JJ if you're in the chat then speak up we'll bring you on we'll bring you on you talk about what happened we love to pick your brain Disney doesn't give a shit about you fuck in the a's we're the people who really want to have call you better be fat 67 guest star like JJ man that would be the fucking day I feel like it's not that far off I feel like it's not that far off getting a director on like or someone who's worked in the film not the stars I want the voice actor for Babu Frick to come on hey hey the first place they have a space to is just a series of spikes loads of spikes I think they're supposed to try and imply it's like a comet of some kind but they're just like fishing through all the spikes like whoa like so upwards to get out of the spikes and then they jump and get to the exact same place but with buildings yeah no it's like Adolondo but it's space or something I got so confused by that planet because there's actually a mirror image of the Falcon above itself like it's either is water or a mirror above them and it's a mirror water planet it's really weird I was like hang on what's going on but then they jumped again before I could even try and process the stupid that was before me that's the strategy don't think things of the three possible things that could ever happen two of them were a series of incredibly dense obstacles it's like wow that's unlucky the third one was you're about to fly into the mouth of a giant Cthulhu whip like wow luckily the time space I didn't do it yeah the time fight didn't give a shit that's obviously where we need to go I want to nourish this creature with my body do you remember the weird like new alien it's like a big weird blob thing oh my god what the fuck was that is the dick with tendrils out of the end maybe it's just this weird alien that's on the intro and you see it at the end yeah because someone's hugging it at the end like it's done like it's got this part in the book I'm just picturing me like oh thank god the space dick alien survived does it have rule 34 I heard that thing had a larger you know like appearance in one of the original cuts why it was the secret Skywalker and blob blob Skywalker imagine this thing just lumbering in during the palpatine fight doesn't he say to the bluffing it's like repair that it's like this doesn't have any arms yeah it looks it looks at it yeah it's like repair it's like oh it what is that it looks like the one guy from it looks like his face reminds me of the dude from far escape oh yeah I know you're talking about right Joe yeah yeah yeah but can you imagine like if you were a recruitment officer for the rebels and like this thing lumbers up to you it's like oh yes I want to join it's like I don't know what we can really do with you what are your skills I can offer moral support from a distance I'm good for hugs you can't neglect the emotional health of your brave soldier it's totally the fucking alien personification of this emote we did it we saved star wars so like next up Rey's just casually floating like she's able to just levitate yeah seriously the second I saw it I was like well we've just fucked up everything again okay so you can just levitate now well this is the thing a lot of people might argue that that's possible it's this hook we've got to go one better you know when Luke was doing his training with Yoda he was balancing on one hand he was lifting rocks around him it's like that's good well we're going to make her float but if you can levitate does that mean you can fly at this point yeah that's the question other instances can anyone think of other instances where Jedi were levitating and people have pointed out Yoda when he was sitting on a chair in one of the original that was a hover chair thing I thought that was a hover chair I thought the chair was lifting him up everything that's ever happened has been the force like spaceships no that's the force a force jump and it's like okay fine you can go to strength a little bit lasers and blasters the other thing is when Rey fights Luke in The Last Jedi she knocks him off his feet and he levitates himself off the ground holding and then he drops okay and it's like alright maybe at a stretch at a stretch mild levitation but she's not just mild levitating she is fully flying in the air and then after she stops meditating she's like this isn't working and she's still floating in the air and then she casually lowers herself it's not like she's not levitating and then she drops it's not like the meditation is forcing it yeah if she was struggling and when she finally loses concentration she kind of falls to the ground and she's then pissed off it's like okay we'll find that took a huge amount of effort yeah like she's struggling we'll meditate she's doing it so easily she's like oh and then she does a backflip float down and it's like well that's a new useful power well if luckily for us it never would need to come up in this film there's no time where she needs to travel from certain areas to areas in a fast or easy way or no time when she's sinking in sand no no no time at all or when she gets assaulted by a tie fighter and it's interesting by the way because she comments that her goal with training here is trying to she's like I can't hear them or I can't connect to them she's referencing the fact she's trying to talk to past Jedi apparently because obviously it's a setup for the big payoff at the end how she beats Palpatine it's just like this is what you're focusing on when the world is about to be destroyed like okay and you're like yeah well she needs to do that in order to be the star destroyer this is the dumb way most of these things like when they establish force healing when they get attacked by the snake and she's just like oh I think I need to heal you why are you doing this everyone this is an experiment that you can do at home if you have a dog take your dog to the vet and see how much it loves you I'll get a hold of my comments on force healing oh yeah we'll get I have a lot to say about that her training sequence I don't know that anybody didn't conclude it's like oh JJ's trying to make up for the fact that she's not been trained nobody can now say that she's never had any training no one can say that anymore she's totally been training after she did all this well this is the yeah but Jay you forget right so she's OP she has training and she becomes godlike it makes sense but the training is inconsistent because she is so powerful so skilled by other movies yet in the training sequence you can't take on a little ball drone thing Kylo is like disrupting her focus I think that's the way they were trained oh yeah he's touching Vader's mask he's having a moment Kylo is getting strange feeling from the mask that is projecting to Ray and it's just distracting her you know having like a representation they're sort of straddling the line of dark and light with the example I would use is just having Luke just strangles the guards at the beginning of Return of the Jedi it's quite like oh shit he just straight up strangled them like when it's a matter of they didn't even attack him they're just like hey you can't come through here and he just kills them straight away and it's like shit and then he's like Jabba's surrender give me my friends or I will kill you basically like shit Luke what's going on buddy he's being pretty ruthless but at least you're like well he's trying to save his friends yeah we understand how and why and stuff but Ray is only altruistic and uses accidental sith powers it's because that's you sith I don't think you can do accidentally like I remember the other day I accidentally just built a computer I was just there it was the force in this movie has basically been abused beyond belief and it's just been the force is now it's just a get out of jail free card for the writers basically the thing force got you covered it's like insurance I have a serious question if force ghosts can touch stuff like light sabers and stuff can they come on stuff can they piss and shit on things Palpatine's announcing his plan that Obi-Wan goes stop it I'm sorry did I ruin your speech why didn't Luke just force ghost his way on to X a goal and summon some lighting and destroy all the star destroyers that's the question like when Luke caught the lightsaber I almost lost it I was like knock ya why doesn't he just take that lightsaber and fight with it because force ghosts are they like must be you know can't be killed fucking X-Wing you can use force powers as well now I've heard one of the excuses is that it's only on that planet that planet is so fucking bullshit the temple has been burned down they should have sent it in the movie then that would actually explain it it would actually see the only way I can rationalize this is that the force ghost of Luke is kind of manifesting through Rey and so subconsciously he's using her powers even if she's not aware of it it looks like he's catching the lightsaber but actually she's stopping it herself with the force but he's making it look like he's doing it same with lifting the X-Wing it's like fight club guys it's like fight club in space I don't like that it was about to strike anyway I hate this these concessions it's all not what it is like okay at no point did I say it's the planet that the planet is connected to the force and that force ghosts can interact with the physical world they don't say that the direct implication is that force ghosts can just do this crap now why would it be that planet when Luke went there specifically he brought himself up from the force why would he go to the planet that's super forcey where ghosts can even use the force if he wanted to escape the force what's up the origin did the Jedi originate on that planet like was that the origin of the Jedi planet I think they said it is what is Jedi temple yeah it's the first Jedi temple right is that what they say yeah so it may not be that the Jedi originated there but that's where they established their first is that how that works you just said this is the first temple it would boom and force ghosts permanently have power there maybe they built it there because of the force energy on that planet fuck off remember how yeah cause Obi-Wan died on the Death Star but he showed up on Dagobah and all that stuff on Hoth well yeah but then Luke showed up at Tatooine you can go anywhere as a force ghost so you should go to Exegol and summon lightning and destroy the fleet yeah this is why I joked about it before but I guess say it again what's the point of being alive yeah I mean you're a ghost you can tell me why Star Wars the true nihilistic series there's no meaning to living you should just be dead that's the same in religion though in religions where you die and you go to have what's the point in not dying well isn't it because the life on Earth is supposed to be the deciding factor for whether or not you get into it that's where you learn in the force power so are you really saying that if like a 3 year old dies they're going to hell because they don't fucking know the rules it depends on what religion you're talking about what kind of religion you're in so the idea that we've got literal proof like the ghosts are like hey we're super powerful you can just die and become this and there's no rules to this you just need to learn about it that's what they say in Star Wars you just need to learn how to do force ghostisms once you're dead and so the idea that it's like oh would you know like other religions do this like no it's not quite the same thing it's a little bit different it was previously established that to fade away on your death into a force ghost took a lot of training and exercise to do it and though there is one case where someone became a force ghost and dying naturally and that was Qui-Gon because Yoda says Qui-Gon is speaking to be a teacher to me about how to become a force ghost essentially but my point is that the fact that Kylo and even Leia disappear into force ghostum when they die it's like when did they learn how to do that it's a retcon that they've done because like I said even Mace Windu is a force ghost who speaks to Rey and so is one of the Jedi who died in Order 66 but it's like I thought Qui-Gon was the first and then it was Yoda and then Obi-Wan figured it out it's not that you don't become like the other Jedi who got killed in Order 66 didn't turn into ghost they're just dead yeah and obviously the reason I assume George did that was because it was like Jesus Christ we're gonna have to mop up a lot of plot holes if we don't do it that way because we're all the Jedi in the OT they should be hanging around it's a force ghost like hey bye what's going on he's like no no no it started with Yoda and Obi-Wan that explains why Yoda and Obi-Wan are the ghosts that show up Anakin does too though I suppose that you could argue it's like how did he know how to do it who told him well yeah that's another good point how did Anakin learn it but then it's just funny that Rey dies she doesn't disappear Kylo wakes her up and then he disappears we were so close we were so close yeah I know Rey Neely died that was actually a comical scene it is legitimately funny and the acting as much as they try it just is so ridiculous it's funny where it's just like you're dead I'll heal you I'm alive they kiss it's like Romeo and Juliet and then after they kiss Kylo he just decides to die I would decide to die in that situation I'm just curious if like he falls over then she puts her hand on him and he goes and then she falls over and he's like no no no they keep doing it while driving while driving the ship to us how come when Rey died she didn't turn into a force ghost but Kylo did that's what I just said yeah because Kylo is amazing she didn't deserve it even though she saved the universe do you prefer did she deserve it from Kylo I don't think Kylo deserved to continue living either do you think it's a slap to Kylo's character that he didn't get to show up as a force ghost it's just like oh well he's fucked by it's odd that they would go through the trouble of showing us that he was a force ghost but then he didn't show up with all the force ghosts if anything he'd be he'd be fresh he's like alright look at me when did all the force ghosts show up oh you're talking about the ending with Luke and Leia yeah Luke Leia and Hitler he's just there like hey someone make that edit no I've already got it I'll show it to you in a second we're doing it we're fucking doing it we've got to see this you talk while I scroll what are we up to now so the training montage is just trying to establish she has a reason for everything she drops a tree on BVA and I thought it was funny that she could lift all of these rocks but she decides to try and push it off him with her arms like what are you doing I like the BVA I like the BVA would have been like motherfucking just lifted off me and she's like no I don't think so they never use the force for fucking practical reasons in these movies it's always just look the force look I can float also she apparently like she can kill the training droid with a stick a stick like weapon if you will not a lightsaber I don't know why well she trained with the stick alright I figured it's been like a good year and a half whatever if it was a lightsaber but fuck it she's still just stick some more powerful than lightsabers it's true it's the thing as well where she's the pathway to many abilities when she's running through the obstacles like to get to the next section of her training course she has the lightsaber out and powered up and I'm just like why like surely running with that thing because we have to show lightsabers because of the Star Wars it would be so easy to slice a limb off like I said like when they're going through the tunnel and she's using it as a flashlight and everyone's just like next to her I'm like dude you know what that does right if you touch it and like get away from it yeah there must be like a power limitation on it as well like you don't want to just have it on time like it's going to eventually run out of energy no battery I would love to see that happen in combat it's just like it does the thing that I can't, what's the I know there's some property that's like satirizing it but you know like it flops over it's just like a floppy lightsaber is anyone got a lightsaber charger I thought the old one Spaceballs is just small right it comes out small I think it's family guy and then when the sun walks in it suddenly gets ironically this family guy like Blue Harvest movies they gave out of the sequel trilogy those are great movies that's what we're at that's like Pete family guy and robot chicken obviously robot chicken as well there are a lot of things that are about in the sequel trilogy oh we come to the first blatant well I guess this is all to be decided upon, guess what you guys think about it but Anakin's lightsaber being repaired would you put this into the category of films? definitely this and Kylo Ren's helmet are just complete the helmet is really obvious well the lightsaber there's not a scratch on it there's no like fused you know welded parts, it's like brand new well it's got like a strip around it scratch yeah it's got like a metal strip yeah it's got like a metal strip it's like a metal bandaid it's like a metal bandaid with Kylo's helmet instead of welding it back together they should have like started the film and he just had it on and then he gets like mad he takes that one off and destroys it and then he goes to a closet where he's just got like rows of them I got my Monday helmet I got my Tuesday helmet why did you have to get that specific one repaired like I didn't think there was anything unique about it it's just a little bit just buy a new one he destroyed it, he collected the pieces he takes it off the whole bunch what was the point of it he collected the pieces before the supremacy was destroyed yeah and then he collected them and he kept them with him and brought them to Exigol like he was expecting them to fix his helmet like that's why he really went wait they didn't fix it on Exigol though right or did they it wasn't repaired on Exigol it wasn't on one of the ships they just started destroying whatever yeah weren't the Knights of Wren watching him they were all around they were hoping him to repair it oh was that them was that the Knights of Wren repaired it Knights of Wren are back everyone our favorite characters the Knights of Wren the Knights of Wren it was supposedly they were set up as like the next Jedi or evil order instead of the Knights of Wren the Knights of Wren they ended up being glorified storm troopers less effective than storm troopers because they don't even have blasters they don't even have lightsabers they have just like metal they have clubs they have like axes like this is 1100 AD or something you realize you're going up against a guy with a weapon that can slice through metal as if it's butter yeah he pulls it out I'm leaving I'm leaving when they first fight him he doesn't have that they're nailing it but then he pulls it out and they're all like oh well I guess I'll do it he had a blaster start off with what happened to it but he did have a blaster going on oh yeah that's right he did I never saw the blaster he like legitimately does force shooting he shoots like he points without even looking and shoots someone square in the chest that's what Han Solo does never thrown his lightsaber into the sea because it's an evil color yeah I have that's in my script I was like gee if only you had thrown your fucking weapon into the ocean it's like yeah but it's red that always annoyed me maybe this is only a trick seriously though red's my favorite color right and if I became a Jedi I seriously would want a red lightsaber because I like the color but it's like no you don't let why it's not inherently evil you're not allowed that means you're a sith but red's a bad man is black pinned because Luke and Adanakins wearing black that's the color of the sith but they're allowed to