to go before four fifty nine okay well we're now whoop now we're live here we are okay now people will probably start to join us because hey well they're doing the pre-show so right so uh... well i don't know what everything's on as soon as i clicked on the little youtube button the top right corner it while i see what it did never mind it launched youtube and of course auto played and turned on the sound because they assume of course i want to hear the show while i'm doing the show like of course they of course i want to monitor the show that i'm doing live that that makes a lot of sense perfect oh yeah yeah okay sorry yeah this is me fetching over user interface stuff hey no hey this is what's interesting yeah yeah my best friend and greatest enemy show about technology uh... so i the way we open show is we'll do a three-shot like this will say our guest is is george washington the third and you go high and then we talk of we we we yet for about about ten seconds and we go into the intro and then we come out of the intro it's just george and i and then i will introduce you and you will come up and we'll take it from there all you got it this this is not scripted this is live television no teleprompter no nothing been there it's live radio with cameras turn on the live radio with the cameras well in which case alright there'll be a barbecue at the it was supposed to be just an audio show remember dan? yeah i don't i don't remember why it was we decided to do this on camera well because everybody was pimping the video right that was eleven years ago though i know you don't know we didn't know what to do honestly yeah we didn't know how to tip to do the show live streamed and be just video just be audio everything was video yeah so that was the thing it wasn't like an audio streaming platform so pre pre club that's what you know why clubhouse went and everybody went oh my god it's a thing because there wasn't a thing before right yeah except now and now what is it now well clubhouse isn't gonna last because they don't have a they don't have to monetize it right that's they don't know how to run ads because they can't interject ads into a live conversation yeah so yeah that's gotta be a subset of something else which is why twitter is like yeah we're gonna do that and see how long you last yeah no i know is twitter gone to an audio format like that they have a they have chat rooms just like that wow crazy fascinating so i mean i'm using clubhouse for one reason well i use it for one reason i use it for an internal like what i call office hours yep yeah i've been there to say hey please come yeah and then i and then jody does her podcast companion on which i think is a good use of it yeah but that's it this is the only time so i'm gonna log i'm gonna load it up it's better than all the wealth people who are out there here's how you can grow your you know stop stop stop that's what's going on there most of you know it's become a an audio banner ad yeah an audio pop-up ad it was interesting when ddo was doing a fair amount of stuff out there they were they were doing a lot of hey meet the agents talk with the agents they were doing it on a weekly basis i don't know if they're doing it anymore but they were yeah like many things that lost it's lost momentum yeah lost momentum yeah yeah well i'm hoping the same thing will happen with ai but you're i don't think that's gonna happen no no but but we are thinking about it i mean it's gonna be one of my major points to talk about when i'm at some of these conferences because it's just an issue made for our industry association more than anything else but you know it's it's not gonna go away it's it you know there's there are certain things that we could do you know public publicity wise to really make to make a difference here and that's get out and talk to these producers and say all right you you cannot emulate the human mind nope um my thing and i you've heard me say this before yeah there is low hanging fruit that will go away it's just going to because the need for the quality need is not the same for all the things we do right right but um some stuff it's not going to happen not for a while yet right but uh yeah i think i think uh on hold messaging give it a little time and it'll be gone yeah well yeah i think and that's probably good use for it that and attention in the terminal if someone tries to give that's right you know i can accept an ai voice with that i remember sitting in jfk last year and hearing two different announcements and i'm like clearly one was an ai voice and clearly one was an actual person saying you know actually calling somebody you know the pickup line whatever that sort of thing you're just not going to know like in two to five years you are not going to know which is the ai voice and which is the human not maybe not for those kind of announcements stuff you're not yeah and and that's that's okay you know it's just going to be a race to the bottom and you know and that stuff's gonna you know fall to the wayside and you know what's going to make the difference is just being a really good voice actor yeah the cream will have to continue to rise to the top yeah and will it will just like there's orchestras and live bands and live instruments used on television and film right all the time you know there are synthesizers and samplers and talented software and music programmers that know how to program them they're still the real thing people still want to work with humans hear humans feel humans yeah it's just that now it is all right is mr holman jeffrey is in there hey jeff hey jeff back to chat i'm saying hey jeff live and typing it in the chat because you know just just just to make sure covering all bases they needs to make sure i really really did say hi hey jeff he's our he's our chat room mod he he's make sure that all the questions from the facebook and youtube get answered okay i see the big hand on the 12 and the little hand on the five and that's an indicator that we're ready to roll are you reek he was there's his hand okay gotta use the flashlight ready doesn't have one okay five four three hey it's time for voiceover body shop and uh we've got a great guest tonight what when do we not have a great guest this guy i particularly like because he's a great guy george washington the third is our guest today say hi george hello everybody there we go everybody yeah oh you met the other guy the other george sorry yeah the other george that's it's gonna be confusing for the next hour so stay and i'm really tight attention got it got it i'm the third just call me the tech all right all this if you've got a question for george or for george or for me you know i said so it's gonna be gw3 and and the other guy and i'll stop that it's time for voiceover body shop right now voiceover body shop is brought to you by voiceover essentials dot com the home of harlan hogan signature products source elements the folks who bring you source connect jmc demos when quality matters the oh heroes dot com become a hero to your clients with award winning voice over training voice actor websites dot com where your voice actor website shouldn't be a pain in the butt voiceover extra your daily resource for voiceover success and by world voices the industry association of freelance voice talent and now here's your hosts dan and george well hello there i'm dan lennard and i'm george wittem and this is voiceover body shop or vio bs pump up your gain just a little bit there george i need more gain all of a sudden you need more gain and i neither need less i guess i've been just i was excited and now i'm like settled in and now i'm i'm sort of calm again so there you go there's three more db coming at you all right now we sound a little bit more even all right okay so anyhow fascinating i was at a concert the other day at the skirble if you've ever been over there i still haven't been there oh is it a nice venue oh it's a beautiful venue but i'm we're sitting in the back row and everything sounded muffled mm-hmm and then i thought about it and i started cupping my ears and i'm like i'm hearing the mix better now then i stood up and i heard the mix a little bit better then uh and then i turned to my martin i'm like you know we were in the background i said let's go stand in front of the sound guy and suddenly there was this magnificent sound because the speakers were too low it was muffling everything yeah yeah yeah they raised them up five feet it would have sounded fantastic the state of the art now is that they're all hung and they have like this thing called a line array right right you're the hollywood bowl or this big even in smaller venues they will still even just hang two or three of those speakers because they don't need to throw as far but that's the state of the art nowadays and it really it improves the clarity in the back of the room yeah see now that was going on and i'm thinking oh george would be throwing up by now being picky about audio definitely makes going to live sound live things harder but the bar is being raised all the time we went to see a live not live we went to see inside out Pixar movie being screened in a parking lot by UCLA for all anybody that signed up online could get in and it was a full seven one surround playback in a parking lot and it was impressive like it was oh yeah you really got the full effect i mean i was i was like not expecting that in a parking lot you know i was just expecting like stereo with some subwoofers that would be fine but it was it was rather rather impressive and a lot of fun especially because our pal lori allen is in that movie oh outstanding so anyhow speaking about standing we have an outstanding guest tonight uh if if you're interested in hearing about you know how to make your career different and that's what we're all about here is helping your voice over career you know we talk about the tech but we have all these great guests who talk about how it is they got where they are and every story is different and then there's some stories that are kind of unique but let me introduce our guest uh george washington the third uh has a voice that stops listeners in their tracks and makes them pay attention george is a full-time political voice actor why did i write political way does political stuff but he's been a voice actor for over 17 years and helping clients communicate their stories his voiceover work extends to radio and television commercials e-learning corporate narration and telephony or a telephony depending on how you see that uh and he provides solutions for clients all over the u.s and all over the world let's welcome to voiceover body shop george washington the third good afternoon slash evening gentlemen good good to see you well just refer to you as gw3 because when we email that's what i call pretty common that's pretty common okay i so i'm not being original or anything oh no see you know i you know worked in restaurants and stuff where they'd call me horjito let's see g dub tray uh yes i was my family called me little george because i my dad you know so yeah just whatever works i had the same problem in my family i was the little george as well yeah i was just known as hey you anyway but anyway you're like me you're involved in all sorts of things and you know including world voices uh voiceover education opera tell us a little bit about your background and how you arrived at all of these things and what came first opera or voice acting um opera did so first uh my background when i was in college i was a vocal performance major for a while i ended up with a bachelor of arts in music and then i went into the what do i do with this and i went into it and so i worked on pcs installing pcs fixing computers fixing software supporting users and uh i started working for first union national bank in charlotte north carolina in 1998 and during that work somebody i i got on an elevator with a woman named elizabeth taylor so george washington the third and elizabeth taylor were on an elevator together sounds like a setup for a job yeah absolutely is going well and she asked me hey do you want to be the on-camera host for a couple of internal videos and i said sure why not and so i started doing that uh in addition to my uh it work and in one of those instances i had to go to a local studio and record the voiceover for what we were doing and walking around this studio it was just the people were so nice and this is you know they had some voiceover work things going on and i said hey um what would i need to do if i wanted to do voiceover and they said well you know bring a script we'll help you make your demos and uh we'll go from there and it was uh you know you know how demos costed it was 350 dollars wow um so i went off for six months and practiced and did that thing that i never tell i tell no one ever to do again i did it without coaching i went back and i made a narration demo and a commercial demo and then started getting it around and that was about 2003 or so uh and so yeah so i've continued on working in it and working in things and and doing voiceover on the side and uh eventually was able to move to the point where i said you know what this is what i do in its entirety um as an opera singer so i started singing with opera carolina in charlotte in 1998 and i was i'm mostly in the chorus but i did have small roles and when we do the really small things like i'm all in the night visitors i was one of the kings and and things like that and uh one of the nice things is like hey could you um come do our phone messages for us so i do the phone messages for the opera company and i did the in i do the in-house announcement basically to say here is our primary sponsor and uh you know don't use flash photography so uh even when i say yeah yeah exactly just kept saying yes yeah if you need if you're gonna pay me to do something you know that is using my voice generally i'm gonna say yes but uh yeah so i i kept doing that and and continued to do voiceover and keep trying to grow what i do um my goal was to make my living with my voice and that's where we've gone and things have reached the point where that's what i can actually do and that's great um once again our guest is george washington the third as the discussion goes on if you have a question for him throw it in the chat room whether you're on facebook live or whether you're on youtube or wherever you might be watching this uh but you can ask him a question we will get to that in our next segment because i know jeff holman is in there with his feathered quill writing down these questions and then you know holding them up to us and so we can see what those questions are yes that's some 21st century tech right there it is we you know we've feathered quill yes well it's only doing it for you george washington for sooth anyway now you do it all you do commercials including political spots e-learning corporate narration with so much competition out there now and you've been doing you know you've been doing it online for what about 20 years now you know when we first started 20 years ago it was like okay it was kind of easy pickings for for a lot of work now it's it's a totally different marketplace how have you been able to differentiate yourself what is i like to say what's your competitive point of difference that um getting people's attention yeah i i like to say that um my competitive advantage is my versatility and i am i will do pretty much whatever kind of work there is i don't do audiobooks just from a timing perspective and i know that that is an entirely different work world than than i'm used to doing and i've done a handful i've just decided that's not where i want to be um professionally but i like to i play up my versatility i speak about my background as having an artistic background beyond just being a voice actor and i make it really easy to work with me right and so i i want people to know that if you're gonna ask me for this thing i will have it back in time i will have it back so that you can make changes i will make it if you want to be here while i do it you can be here while i do it i've actually you know most of the time we're doing you know doing it remotely whether that's zoom or whatever but uh earlier this year i did a narration for talking about the rosin wall schools in the southeast and the rosin wall schools were schools that were built throughout the southeast with support from uh the then president of sears roebuck because at that time those school schools for african-american students were not being supported by the local government and julius rosin walled put money aside and had people contribute and build these schools so when they asked me to do the narration uh i was like sure and the person who was there said can we come and listen and i'm like are you sure right and you know this is not like i don't have a huge studio set up or anything so they sat on on the couch the gentleman and his wife sat on the couch and i turned on the monitors and i did what i needed to do and the next time he's like i've heard it you're fine i can do it over you know google meet next time um i also like when i say i'll do whatever they ask for the second version of that for south carolina they said can you do on camera for us and i'm you know on camera is not a problem for me so i drove down to newberry south carolina and i did the walk up and spoke the lines off teleprompter to gesture to the place and then the next week we came back into the actual narration so i try and give them all the options and let them know what i'm fully capable of singing everything yeah how do you how do you do your marketing but i i'm going to assume you have several different tools in your toolkit well i i will admit i'm not the greatest at marketing that that i'm not i i have done less of it than i would intend to but most of that's because getting ramped up and getting into doing things fully um but i have been poking poking my toe into the linkedin process and doing those things and making and using linkedin as a process i am pretty active on social media but i don't point at the social media to make it say okay i do voiceover please hire me because that doesn't really tend to have a ton of get back most of it is just a establish that i am a known quantity help the seo show people that what i'm capable of i mean the stuff that i'm doing right now yeah i read poems right i do you know i do poetry where i read it i say it's uh the hashtag is one minute of poetry and i do a if the poem is sometimes it's over a minute but both times it's a minute or less i will do a reading and i'll post it and i just point out here's something that i can do and i hashtag it with voiceover as well and so it's more of a hey i have these other gears too and make people understand that yes if you need to be to do hard sell i can do that i can do the sport sell but this kind of read where i'm making something into a conversation based on you know on this poetic lines those things work too so i do have things like i use clothes as my crm which lets you do some real organized send the emails out and makes it a little easier it can interface with mail chimp and i'm working through how to make that happen with what i do i have done some cold calling but cold calling isn't my favorite like there are some people who are great at it it's not my best thing that's a tough one for a lot of people's cold calling yeah yeah that's just sales 101 exactly but you know part of what i way i look at it for most people especially when people are starting out i'm saying make sure you know who the recording studios in your local area are find out who they are and if they have a roster then go talk to them go talk to them don't you know don't reach out to them personally go speak to them and see what you can do for them i have i have a clients here in town where they you know they don't audition me anymore they you know for a lot of things they do send auditions but many times are like hey we have this thing for you can you come in and do it you know that way they are you know i they are part of my normal here are the people i can count on right so yeah that seems like a sign in a career that that's span some time where you when you get to that point where you'll you can fill in a lot of your day with just reliable client content that they just keep coming back to you and you don't feel like you're in a constant state of gotta hustle for the next gig gotta hustle for the next gig that's gotta be a good feeling it is and you know that doesn't mean that i don't hustle for it obviously i get my auditions and i try and get them in and make sure everything's done when necessary but it does help to know that here's a level that i know is gonna be here and then i continue to work on the rest of it to try and grow that you know i'm not being greedy just trying to make a living well yeah you're just trying to make a living that's the most important part once again we're talking with george washington the third you have a question with him or for him or about him throw it in the chat room we'll get to that in just a little bit um so once once you get a client and it's important to make them a client and you and you've discussed you've discussed the ways that you do that that you know once you land a gig you know you make them a client for life by making their life easier and that's it's clearly what you're saying how how do you but how have you been getting most of your work how did you get the initial work so initially it was through production houses before i decided before i made an effort to reach out to to agents and so i worked with production houses and got there got work through them built up basically a book of business saying here's what i'm capable of and here's what i've done then reached out to agents and i have multiple agents at this point um i have representation across the country though i'm not specifically represented in the giant markets that's kind of the next move from a from a representation standpoint but i i have a lot of i have a lot of people who are doing you know that i get work from and again you know i don't win them all no one does you know i try and remind those people who are starting out you're going to win one to two percent of them that's the way it works and so you have to make sure that you are getting work from enough people that that one or two percent isn't going to kill you by not having it available to you that's just the way this work is it is acting it is people trying to you're competing with a ton of people and i know a lot of us say we're not competing yeah we're not strictly saying you or me it is that in the end but that's not how we have to function right right i look at it i have always told people this is not a rejection business it's a selection business and most of the time you're not going to get selected you have to keep building it up so that more people do select you and once they select you they decide to come back to you over and over again and that means being available that means being easy to work with consistent yeah and every every single time now what when when you and i first met that's good 10 years ago i think probably you faff con and i found out you you're an opera singer uh you know and usually we'll get into talking about operas one particular opera or another i've done a little bit of Gilbert and Sullivan and stuff but have you found that opera singing really helped your career i mean that is is there something in in singing and you know in a very formal way like that that helped you understand how to you know obviously how to use your voice but it's projecting is not really what they want anymore and opera is definitely projecting because you're not mic'd or anything right exactly you know that is the thing is you're not necessarily using that particular skill that projection you have electronics that's not the job that's not the job anymore right but you do learn how to breathe and it is such a core need for what we do being able to to diaphragmatically breathe and not make it a big deal right that is a that is a skill that most people simply don't have when they come into it and there's not a reason for them to have it right unless they've been in a situation where projection is what they have to do but then you have to work off the other parts of that projection right stage actors who project you're like okay remember this room is a whole lot smaller that's not where you're trying to go you're not trying to push to the back of the back of the room anymore so i think opera helped in one getting your breathing right and you do have some acting that goes along with it but you gotta tamp it back a little bit because it is awfully large right you don't do small things on an opera stage you're gonna be big right and so learning how to to take emotion from something like music and then transfer that to the people who are watching you're still doing that but you're now you're just doing it by doing it in speech um on a more kind of blatant space about how opera helps i do get singing jobs now and again uh where there's where you'll see auditions that say we need an operatic sound hey i'm ready um i think my favorite one for that so far has been one i did for fruit by the foot and the audition came in and they said and they just said hey how long can you hold a note and i said how long do you need me to hold it right and and uh they said well send us an audition and just hold it as long as you can and i sent it and they said well we don't need that's what i've got then so i ended up just saying fruit by the foot for about eight or nine seconds just hold it as long as they need it give it long enough so that they can use a fade that was the whole they didn't believe they didn't believe you could hold it for a minute right exactly so you know there are everyone you know and just because that kind of jingle that kind of singing isn't as important you know don't see that in commercial as much but two weeks ago i did another one that was just a you know just three notes you know for this thing same kind of idea but i have that gear if somebody needs it right so um that's what now it's all about short little short sound bites right exactly jingle my jingle might be three notes exactly and having that and that can be any singer right i mean if you if you know how to sing and you can get those three notes you're in good shape i like because it is a particular style and people know what you when people do that there's you know it's usually in terms of uh it's going to be a parody it's meant to be funny then i got that you know i don't i don't need to do the entire toreadore song for anybody just for their for a commercial so right yeah i think a lot of people especially when they're beginning you know and i and i george and i get a lot of audio from people one of the things we notice is people breathing in the middle of sentences uh which you know drives me nuts it's like if you can't read an entire sentence without taking a breath you you got a problem you know i mean there are people out there that you know that we probably all know it's like they will talk and talk and talk and you'll go take a breath take a breath shut up for a second um but it practicing like you were saying diaphragmatic breathing it's really important to be able to read one or even two sentences without taking a breath and which you know saves an awful lot of time with editing and stuff like that it does and but i think what happens for a lot of people is you're if you're not prepping if you're not and that doesn't mean you necessarily have to go and go line by line and look at every line and do all those things but you got to get your eyes ahead of the text enough to know that i'm not gonna have you know i have all of this text to say so i need to get a good breath when i start i need that two seconds or three seconds of diaphragmatic breathing before i get into this so i can do those first two sentences before i actually need a breath and recognize that you can take those things out right you don't you know it's it's not necessary to to get to the point where you're like right when you've read all the way to the end of your breathing i i've heard it though yeah i've heard it too and and you know i i try not to let that become a habit with because every once in a while you're like you're going and you're in a flow you're like okay stop go back to the beginning of that paragraph and start that again with a good breath so it doesn't feel like you're running out by the time you get to the end you know that happens in not just audiobooks you know long-form narration and e-learning and that sort of thing when you run into people who don't write to be spoken and they're writing to be read you know yeah exactly i actually write back to people when i get copy and it's clear that they wrote it for me to read out loud i'm like thank you so much for being considerate of how this actually works absolutely once again we're talking with george washington the third uh we're talking about his voiceover career and some of the cool stuff is if you've got a question again throw it in the chat room whether you're on facebook live or whether you're on youtube live uh and we will get that question to him in just a couple of minutes now one of the areas that you've been active in in the last few years is the subject of diversity in media uh can you tell us what you think about the current state of affairs and how you think it can be changed and really what what brought your attention to this well um clearly as a person of color there's always an interest in what diversity is and and how we can be a part of what's going on and there is and this is just reality there has up to this point been a baseline acceptance that the default voice is a white male voice and that has been the way it works unless it was advertising that was focused directly at a you know the black community or hispanic community and that would be the only kind of voice that you could use unless you're really speaking to that area but in the last few years we've seen the growth of the use of different kinds of voices that are considered for general consumption right and that is a good thing it's it's good to grow it's going to be happening more and more it's not just a matter of ethnicity anymore as i'm sure people have seen non-binary postings you know and i know that some people say well what does that even mean that is up to the listener and up to the people who are doing the casting to say does that sound like a non-binary voice but i think that's all to the good we are getting better at this i think the industry is getting better at it of recognizing that we need to hear the speech of more than one kind of person if you're reaching out to advertise influence get people to to do what you would like more people who can hear it in a voice that sounds familiar to them will be more beneficial to your message and that's i think that has been a a a point that we have gotten better and better and we can continue to improve as that happens you know we've seen this with female voices in spaces that we traditionally didn't hear them in sports in automotive that is starting to happen that's a good thing to make sure that people that that representation is happening across the board yeah i i totally agree once again if you got a question for george about any one of these topics throw it in the chat room and we will get to that in just a second um you and i are working on a project together uh because we haven't been able to do this in a couple of years uh we both serve on the the board of world voices and one of the things that we've wanted to do is get our annual conference back together and we've not been able to do it obviously because of the pandemic but we got one planned for orlando uh next may so it's less than a year and you're in charge of this i'm i'm standing back waiting for whatever it is you need me to do tell us a little bit more about what what we're thinking about here so wovo con as you mentioned is uh is an important important part of the world voices community in that this group of people should be organized around one of the main principles that we have for the organization which is members helping members and part of that commitment to members helping members should be face to face meeting the people that were also in the organization sharing of knowledge so that people all understand that their needs can also be met by other people in the industry who have similar experience not everyone has all the answers but everyone has some answers and we want to make sure that that is part of what we offer as an organization and wovo con like many conferences disappeared for a for a while due to the pandemic you know i have specific experience with the whole pandemic and what kind of impact it can have on a life and i we did what was necessary and we also had run into a situation where we had done it for seven years or six years and we had kind of tapped out on the people who were who had been organizing and it's it's hard work and we looked at it this year and said we need to bring this back as a part of what we do to be of value to our members and we want people to be able to come there share their knowledge get new knowledge and be reminded that they are not alone because what we do is such an isolating business um in that we are working in boxes like these for long periods of time and it's nice to be able to have those moments to talk with people and and know that there is a shared community there now we are different from the other conferences in that this is not one it's not a money-making venture for us and it is specifically for our membership and so we like to think that that sets us apart from the others not that anyone is any worse or better but this is for us and i i believe that that's a positive thing that we can offer to our membership yeah and on that note we're gonna we're gonna start to take a break here in just a just a second but uh george great having you with us and again if anybody has a question for him about any of the stuff that we're talking about throw it in the chat room because we love hearing from you and knowing that you're out there watching our show and paying attention to what's going on out in the voice of a world and george is one of those guys that's like really in there in the trenches doing what it takes anyway we're gonna take a break and we'll be right back with george washington the third right after these important messages 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room plenty of time to uh to do that as well uh let's see here we got one question here starting off from terry briscoe uh he says i've done six different categories of voiceover in my first year everyone says that you should focus on an area that you're starting out as you just said you're someone who's known for their versatility do you subscribe to that philosophy why or why not clearly you've spread yourself out in a lot of places um uh so terry what i the way i look at it is do all kinds of stuff when you're starting out so that if you decide i'm going to focus on one you know which one of those things you can focus on because you are going to have to find out if some of those things are things you like or not right if you start out right now for instance say well i'm gonna focus on audiobooks well that's great you better like audiobooks you know right um i my take on it has always been do all the things until there's a reason to do only one of the things it gives me the opportunity to try a lot of different things to do different kinds of genres to do different kinds of characters and all that and it leaves me less vulnerable to when i lose you lose a thing and then everything else collapses around it so it's uh i i say try a lot of things do a lot of different kinds of things um some people will say that's not the right right direction it's worked for me right and that's that's really what counts i know a lot of times when i'm talking to people when they're just starting out my question to them is what's your superpower you know what is it that you do professionally now or are escaping from because i've i've met a lot of you know recuperating chiropractors and podiatrists and i t people and i t people who are you know if if you have knowledge of that area i mean when you started doing voiceover it was because you were in the business that needed you to do that and you know but if somebody's an expert in it or military intelligence i've heard that one or was a priest or something along those lines it's amazing where the opportunities are if you have that knowledge and that network to work with yeah and that's one of the reasons that i say to people starting out is once you have professional demos tell everyone you know everyone things will come from the most random places i will give you a strange example so when i started out in charlotte i was also doing on-camera work i was doing some on-camera commercials and all that while being in it too so that didn't work out so much but i had an agent here in town her i have since we are no longer working together as an agent and client we're still in contact i have sung at her mother's sisters and unfortunately her husband's funerals but when i sang at the last one that was where i met the gentleman who had me do this most recent series of documentaries because they are they said they they heard me saying we did the work you know we talked to real briefly they reached out to me later and said we think you're the right person to do these documentaries tell everyone tell them all the time and one of the things i also say is don't ever tell them you're aspiring you are a voice actor are a professional yep once you have professional real demos you are a voice actor don't give them a reason to think while you're just new into this is starting on this is what you do yeah george you got a question there yeah i wanted to know more about the tech in your studio what are the tools that you like to use we obviously see your mic but there's some more something going on on that mic arm i wanted to talk about and then just tell us about the rest of your all the things we can't see in your frame so i have a this uh this neumann tlm103 here i also have and i'll swing it into the camera a little bit here i also have this shotgun mic this uh the uh senheiser 416 and as you noted i have them on this swing arm here in this studio booth my interface is an apollo twin duo or mark 2 my mac my m1 mac mini is sitting outside and so it is doing it runs everything else in here and i have another monitor sitting outside so i have two monitors to work on and if i'm going to do any kind of editing because occasionally i make videos and whatnot and i run premiere out there so i can edit on a larger screen on a 35 inch screen um and yeah this the studio this is the studio bricks uh vio edition i put a keyboard tray in here so that i can just sit here and type as well and uh yeah so that is in general that's my basic setup god do you have a um do you have a mirrored setup or like the monitor inside the booth is an identical mirror of what's outside the booth is that how you run it actually this is like i run my i run my dawg and my scripts are happening here and out there is a secondary it is a different display entirely so i drag things back and forth like if i go out there to work i just drag the windows over to that side and i work on that screen cool cool so and i use as a dawg i use audition a double audition do you find that with the apollo i mean we we've talked about the apollo many times and we have our pros and cons about it but do you do you really feel like you take advantage of the tools that are in that the provoli of the apollo provides or do you feel like you just use it on a more basic level that you know doesn't differentiate it that much from other interfaces i'm going to pump you up here because that was why i signed up that i know that's not the intention but i'm going to say it anyway that is why i signed up for your webinar because i do feel like right now i'm not using it to its fullest extent um i need i one of the reasons like i need to understand um i want to understand the virtual inputs better i wanted to understand how it works and what i can do differently i mean honestly one of the things i enjoy the most about having it here is it's right here on hand and i can make some make your quick adjustments right there i had a full mixer before but it couldn't sit here close at hand and i had to reach under to do stuff so this made that easier and i did sign up for your webinar because i want to know more about how to use it better i do have that thing working on now i use a couple of you know like i use loopback for for you know routing so that i can move things from one to the other like if i'm doing playback for somebody it makes it easy to go right into the playback and all that but yeah i want to know more about my interface and i think it's important for voice actors to know those things they don't have to be you obviously but they should know more about the things they're doing not necessarily because they're going to offer all of these grand things like most of us don't have to do full production we're delivering dry lines but it's a good idea to know what it's capable of for instance like in audition most of us will never use or very rarely use multitrack but occasionally you might have to listen to some music while you do your record and know how that works and you can just put that in multitrack and hit record and record against what's happening there and then just you know send out mix down just your lines and there you go yeah and you can have video too you can drag a video right into and have the video on screen and work with exactly so you need to know a little you need to know enough to be dangerous i guess is the best way to put it and that's why i want to know more about that interface because i want to know how the what's the best way for me to use it especially since i have two microphones connected to those outputs what's the easiest way to switch back and forth because audition looks at that piece of hardware you know instead of those inputs per se so being better about doing that i think it's important to know all that yeah what do you why would you use the 102 or the 103 versus the 416 well some of it is because i've done video games right and they don't generally don't want the they don't want the 416 for mixing purposes at least that's what they say now you and i both know that some of the reasons they say that is gate is gatekeeping right it's because they're saying hey we only want this kind of microphone and they'll say it's a 103 or a u87 i'm like yeah most of us are not having u87s hanging around in our studio right but um i liked like last year i did a i did a few video games and i do a lot of stuff for them the 416 is like my home base and i personally wanted to say you're not going to tell me the reason i didn't get hired is because i didn't have this available to me right and so if it is because if it's if i didn't do what i needed to do that's fine but it's not going to be because i didn't have the equipment for what was necessary yeah i i don't think i've ever heard of somebody not getting the job because they say well i've got this type of microphone if you if you sound good well as we like to say in the show you are good um and so it's not really the microphone but there is a distinct difference between the 103 and the 416 i mean yes you know one is one is they both work differently at different proximities and stuff like that but the you know clearly the 103 is a lot mellower for you know a voice like let's say your yours are mine definitely you know that is i always my description is the the 416 is sharper and it's sharper and brighter and for a lot of things it's ideal for what i want to do but you wouldn't say if you're going to if you're going to do an audiobook you wouldn't necessarily say that's your best choice because it is a little more ear fatiguing but that's i would say you know you don't have to do this setup and a lot of people never need more than one microphone i just like to be able to have that option because i've done different kinds of things like video games stuff when they said hey we want this one to match what we already got here you go i'm ready to go right you like you better say yes yes exactly yeah now terry briskos asking what is that swing arm i must know i've got a couple of those sitting around for you know displaying my ribbon mics and stuff you can get those like at guitar center on amazon really easily yeah yeah this swing arm i got for $12 on amazon and it you know the arm in that comes with this booth is usually set for a single mic mount but i wanted to be able to switch back and forth without doing any unplugging and so i went and found this mic arm and like i said it was $12 went right in the same place where you would normally put one microphone and i will even do this here it's got a t-bar so if you're yes if you're searching look for a mic t-bar or a stereo bar or something like that i mean you can literally put three mics on that thing if you wanted to probably good yeah and it works as easily as uh is that right just a simple switch and there you have it there you go now you can hear the difference between those two mics it's pretty yep it's kind of cool to hear the difference in that space right exactly all right george you got the question from jahoris from jay hey j um any quick pointers you can give an opera singer who wants to do voiceover do you do any coaching specifically for opera singers so here's what i say opera singers have an advantage and most singers have an advantage because you already know how to breathe you already know how to take basically what i will call vague direction because you have been told you need to give different kinds of feelings emotions and all those sorts of things so you are coming in armed already any voiceover coach i think would be pleased to have somebody who already knows what it means to put emotion in their performance and that you can go to anyone it doesn't necessarily have to be a specific one who's going to work from opera to voiceover you are working with an advantage already it doesn't mean that suddenly people are going to hire you faster but it does mean that you are going to be able to take direction better because you're used to it already it's just applying it in a different space so i i don't know that there's any specific direction that you have to take or the specific coaching you have to get as a as someone coming from an operatic background into voiceover you have to know to tamp down your projection you can work on that and be able to take direction that seems not specific right you've been told to sound taller you already know what that feels like right and so you can work on that sort of thing without having to do a lot of processing because you and almost everybody you know knows that people don't know what they want until they hear it yeah you right they're going to say oh i need to i need to hear this angela brown do i know angela brown i think we were in uh we may have been in porgy and best together here in charlotte some years ago so yeah how about that it just take it takes it just takes you being open to direction and you have that going in so i think that's that's the positive nature for voiceover for people coming from music particularly opera you know what emotion is in your performance absolutely yeah he had a second part that went technical should we talk about that go ahead um yeah it was about your apollo and how you're using it i have to know he has is basically yeah you're not using any no unison plugins no no noise reduction none of that none of that fancy stuff yeah mine is mine is as is at the moment and so again my one of the things i wanted to do was learn how to use it better see if there's any value to that for me but thus far i've had no complaints about the things that i've been able to produce so and i think dan is very much a believer in microphone interface software right yeah keep it simple keep it simple keep it simple yep yeah i actually had a question about woeville con too another one and then karen and i asked about the dates again so we can repeat the dates for woeville con but what what does make that conference unique i mean i've been there so i know obviously but um what does make it what differentiates it from the other big conferences happening so i i think one of the main differentiators for us is we do have speakers we will have people come in and do keynotes and that sort of thing but the individual things that are taught there are taught by the people who are members of woeville con of woeville those people who are willing to share their knowledge in that setting and and say i have this you need this here's what we're doing nobody's selling our own people are not selling to our members they are sharing their knowledge freely and trying to give and we've heard this in every kind of conference sharing those nuggets to say here's some information for you to take back we ask our membership where you know do you have something you want to teach let us know tell us what you want to talk about and we can put you on the roster of of instructors so that's what that's what i think makes us a little bit different we're not there to sell you any more than what we've got coming in this is for us to share i mean one of the things we do on the sundays is we have the family meeting right we talk about the industry where we're going in as an organization what we want to be doing in the coming years and make everyone want to be a part of this and contribute to it for the better for the greater good of the industry in the organization yeah and and and that's the whole point is we are an industry association this is a not-for-profit organization uh we're we're not as george was saying we're we're not they're trying to make money off of this because as george and i will tell you we're not making any money off of it we're doing this because it's important to the industry so that and that's why we want people there it's because it's fun it's great to you know to meet your your the other people in your community and of course exchange ideas and stuff and a lot of that goes on in the lobby and out in the hallway and and that's what what makes it such a fun conference and uh you know because it's not commercial uh the way a lot of these other ones it's not like you know here's 10 agents are going to tell you how to do this stuff no here's a bunch of other voice actors in our organization who tell you how they do things sort of like what we're talking about right now and that's not to say we don't have agents involved right we do have some some agents involved with us but we're not they're not there to sell that's i think that's the the um the most important thing yeah it's gonna be may third fourth fifth fourth fourth fifth and sixth fourth fifth sixth next year yes yes so we're going to celebrate may the fourth be with you yes and senko demio that same weekend talk about a party bring your lights and her birthday my birthday and and his birthday in orlando florida let's make sure understand where we're going to be our land already in orlando so can't wait wait to uh to do now somebody's asking when will the demo be ready to you a demo player ready to use i'm really excited about this and i thank you for providing it it's going to be ready probably this week people have been testing it we got all the bugs out of it it's it's gonna it's definitely going to be hitting the main the the main road uh this week so we know what we're talking about so world voices as one of our one of our benefits for membership is we are providing a demo player that you can use on your website and it is html five based as i believe is the way it in that it it plugs right in it's just a bit of code it you know adds your demos and you can and they can be played back um and you don't have to invest in anything and that's part of what we're doing to offer our membership as a as a thing and we're going to be improving it as we as we go we've actually talked about here are the few the features we'd like in the future absolutely well george it's always just a pleasure to talk to you no matter what but thank you so much for being with us on our show today and we really appreciate all of your knowledge and we look forward to having on again real soon if people want to get a hold of you where do they go i am at vo evolution dot com that is my website to be rebuilt soon but vo evolution dot com is where you can find me right you don't need to rebuild it but it works great it's one of the best websites i've seen anyway george washington the third thanks for being with us thank you all righty george all right we will be right back and get ready to wrap it up and re-rack it for tech talk right after these messages yeah hi this is carlo zellers rocky the voice of roco and you're watching voiceover body shop in these modern times every business needs a website when you need a website for your voice acting business there's only one place to go like the name says voice actor websites dot com their experience in this niche webmaster market gives them 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things like things like that but we are i also do voiceover technical consulting as does george uh because it seems now as there's more people in the business some people are starting to get it yeah but it's still a mystery to people trying to get into this business and do you start hearing the things we've been saying the last 11 years starting to echo around the web and in different forums and chat rooms so where do they get this stuff just getting around they got it from you and me i mean it's yeah we've been figuring it out you know there there are people that are experts in you know maybe they helped somebody build a studio or they built their own found out how they did what they did wrong and then like oh i i gotta fix it so they'll go to about 20 different youtube videos try and figure it out right yeah or you could just work with one of us because we know how to do it we've seen everything i i've i've put in studios in you know tile laden apartments in cairo tiny little places in paris uh every every room is different every voice is different every situation is different and you really take somebody who knows what it's supposed to sound like whistle way to help you get it sounding the way it's supposed to sound like and if you would like to work with us you can work with either one of us you can start by with george if you want to work with him you would just go over to george the dot tech that's my place on the web and i i've got a big library of content on there that's totally free by the way there's a huge free resources area you can start dabbling around read the blog and see what's going on over there that will keep you busy for probably three or four months then when you're tired of that you can you can actually book actual time with me on the website there we can work one-on-one or you can just send an audio sample for a sound check dan does sound checks but he's got a funny name forum over at homevoiceoverstudio.com yeah but the uh the specimen collection cop is now at the top of the page so when you go over to home voiceoverstudio.com it's right there $25 i will analyze your audio to see if it's up to snuff does it sound what it's supposed to sound like and if it doesn't i will tell you exactly what what's going on with you know i will single most valuable service either of us provide absolutely especially for the money yeah i mean yeah if you're going to find out if if your your sound is competitive and i will go through the acoustics of the room are you using your microphone properly uh are you setting your levels george are you still amazed at how people just don't get the level setting thing yet yeah yeah yeah i still get files all the time where it's maybe taking up a less than a quarter of the of the possible dynamic range you know and um yep it's something that needs to be dealt with a lot but that's that's why we're that's why we still have businesses dan that's why we still have jobs yeah you'll never be able to replace us with a computer that's for darn sure anyway i hope not you've got lots of stuff going on in your tech update this week and i see something familiar on the top there do tell i did um as usual i was scraping the internet to find something that's new scraping sound was earlier yeah i'm scraping the internet trying to find something that's new that's actually somewhat relevant it seems like a lot of the time things that are new that are relevant and that aren't crazy expensive tend to be audio interfaces and this would not be an exception so the classic now what i consider classics probably been around seven eight years the yamaha ag zero three mark two is available so made improvements to it what did they do i mean i took a while to figure it out and i there's probably some that you don't really know about because they don't really list i think because the ag o three isn't really like really marketed as a pro audio device they don't really go into the minutiae of like the thd the total harmonic distortion and all the different little minutiae of the specs so there might be some improvements there but the things that i saw that were the most acute that were obvious anyway um is that they've added a mute button now i know it doesn't sound like that big a deal but there wasn't one before so it's really nice that you can cut the mic with the press of a button right it's important to cut your mic at you know and when you need to cut it you know why you know why you want to cut the mic you want to make sure it really is off and that has a proper mute button it also they added a alongside bluetooth which obviously is also new yeah um they added a trrs phone connection so that one cable connection that would go between your ag o three mixer with your smartphone that has a headset jack if you happen to have one of yeah they're like ancient history now yeah thanks to apple um or you have the the little dongle that will plug into your your phone that gives you a headset jack or that could also plug into the headset jack that's on all the new modern pcs and laptops they all have a headset jack you can just plug one cable in and have a secondary connection just for zoom and phone patch type situation so it's nice that they've integrated that it was already good and now it's even better and um it's going to continue to be on my shortlist it's going to re actually this is going to make it probably get it back on to my shortlist because it was getting a little long in the tooth so it's nice to see a reboot and um i would love to get one and do some real-world tests and see if it's cleaner as lower noise and if everything works just as well as the last yeah um now kind of tying into that is this notion of firmware or not to firmware and what does all this mean one thing i love about the ag zero three is that it is this like i always use the word goldilocks the term goldilocks it's just right it's this just right balance between a physical interface with knobs buttons switches things that you can physically manipulate right a switch for a loopback that's unheard of nobody has a physical switch that will just turn on the loopback when you need it i love that the ag of three does this it's really really unique but at the so it's mostly driven in software or i'm sorry actual hardware right but the thing that's cool about it is it doesn't need an external control panel software to just work it just plugs in and plays plug and play right works like your standard if you think of it a scarlet two i two or something but then it has the secret on the secret level you can unlock and then it has on board processing so um that i'm definitely looking forward to seeing what's new in the processing side of the og of the ago three more two but it has the ability to have like a little bit of an eq if you need it a high pass filter that you can fine tune that really makes it stand alone in a device like this and again it's not there if you don't need it you don't have to turn it on you don't have to even know how to work it it just disappears if you don't need it i love that about that yeah i i like to i i had one and i broke the headphone jack on it so i moved on to something else it wasn't like a tank no it wasn't but it was great with the dsp a program in it you know the fact that you could you run it it was like they were they were uh proprietary plugins yeah for for this particular unit right and it had compression on it as you were saying you know in an eq i am sure since it's been about six or seven years since they first came out with it they have improved the dsp uh software on there so imagine yeah so yeah now we gotta go out and buy one and you know another one of i also like that it's just it also has a physical on off button right to turn those things on and off i that just i love devices that have a quick grab a knob press the button adjustment it you don't have to have an ipad running all like okay i'll show you i all right and i'm going to talk about it i love my personas revelator i i think it's the best i really do love it and right now these things are 150 bucks but to really get the most out of it you have to have this thing running on an ipad or running on your screen so now you've got this other whole user interface going on to that's a companion to the interface to the device itself and that's a pro if you are a pro producer or a streamer it's a con if you're just an actor who wants to just to be able to do voice acting and keeping it simple because while there is a knob on the front it's not doing just one job it's doing five it's a gain knob a mix knob a headphone level and a speaker level knob and gain for two different mics so really it does five different distinctly different jobs that's a lot to keep track of in real time and this is where i'm going i went on a little tangent but the firmware and not firmware some audio interfaces don't require a software control panel layer to get them to do what they need to do right and i love that about that i love that about the ssl2 i love that every knob and is just right there a feature has one button that it does its job i love that with the hg03 that it has just one knob and switch to do everything unless you unlock its secret level you know of capability um and that's what makes the revelator capable but also a little intimidating more capable because of the firmware the ability to do and configure many different things that you can't see from the front panel but that learning curve and that fear is it going to work the way it did last time i plugged it in and how many menus do i have to get into that's a whole different animal and i tend to be very careful about who i recommend interfaces for or two based on those two criteria do you like one knob or one switch or one button for every feature or do you really want to be able to have more powerful capabilities and that's that's kind of the difference between those two types of interface great power comes great responsibility oh i say this all the time dan especially all you guys with apollos and stuff and i'm like yes with great power if you if you're using reaper oh my goodness with great power that is a very complex elaborate recording software you really need a lot of training to get the most out of it in another piece of news i mentioned the apollo briefly as you guys know i've been setting up and tuning apollo systems for so so long but i created a facebook group just for voiceover i wanted a voiceover group for the apollo well there's so many groups on facebook that manage that deal with the apollo stuff from universal audio and it was starting to wane in its activity it was kind of whittle withering away i should say and i also it really bugged me that all that intellectual property all those searches all those discussions all that stuff is locked away in the facebook silo you can't get to it outside of facebook so finally we're going to have a place in the uad forum dot com just for us in voiceover live streaming podcasting all of us that use apollos for non music purposes there's going to be a home for us and i'm going to be the admin and i'll be able to get more folks in there as mods and it's i'm really really glad about it because folks that are using that hardware need a good place to go to get help and they're not going to be able to necessarily get me in the clutch they might need some real fast help and there's going to be a community of people there to answer questions so i know it's ironic right how many times did dan and i say don't get tech support committee right we it's it's i get that this is throws in the face of it but the bottom line is there's still a very good use case for communities and forums and places for people to commiserate share ideas and just you know kvetch they use that word right kvetch kvetch there's a v in it kvetca that means to that means to bitch right yes to complain at least that's what my mom would say the safe place to complain about the stuff you're you're using without other people going well you shouldn't use that in the first place you know it's like nobody wants to hear that anyway so stay tuned hopefully by the time this actually is aired in a week that will have finally gone live so fingers crossed so dan we're going to talk about some acoustic stuff huh yeah you know we get this all the time because we are constantly talking to people about their home studios especially a lot of people who are beginning and here's a common phrase that someone will send me they'll say okay i have a closet and i'm going to try and seal it up and make sure that i put a lot of soundproof foam in it yeah there is a difference between that's like a waterproof screen door between sound treatment and soundproofing there are two things you are trying to accomplish anybody that's ever worked with me knows the first thing i lead off with is the most important thing in your home voiceover studio is the acoustical properties of the studio and that consists of two things even though i say you know there are three things you got to get right part one has part a and part b part a is preventing exterior noise from coming into the area in which you record that is not easy in a home voiceover studio if you were using a closet or are just in a room that it is literally impossible to get your noise floor down you know like minus 70 without some assistance you you've got air conditioners furnaces neighbors garbage disposals toilets all sorts of things that can go on in your place of residence whether it's a house or an apartment you got a highway next door you have helicopters you know going overhead you know i had you know four uh ospreys going over at 10 000 feet yesterday and the studio you know this is a soundproof studio it's you can still hear it it's just like the cavitation of those big rotors you know so you want to be able to prevent exterior noise from reaching the inside it doesn't take a whole lot if you're in a closet and you seal yourself up in the closet uh it will if you can reduce the exterior noise by 7 to 10 db that's generally enough to make the space usable uh now you can get a soundproof booth uh as i like to say you know if if you're if you have trouble with you know neighbors or the the yard you know the the gardeners coming in and using a leaf blower you could spend six or seven thousand dollars on a new booth or you could wait until they stop blowing leaves around you know it's it's a pretty easy equation but foam is not going to do anything about preventing that uh the way you soundproof something is with mass uh and density uh you know using something like uh uh you know a mass loaded vinyl or uh concrete blocks or using what we call decoupled construction to so that the the booth will actually move with the sound and absorb it and not let it go through or all of the above or all of the above if you really need it yeah so you know if if you are an established voice talent and you and you really need to have that silence yeah you might need a booth but you don't buy the booth until you're actually there uh you don't buy a booth to say i'm going to be a voice actor i'm going to buy a ten thousand dollar booth not a good idea it's not a great investment until you understand specifically what you're doing and how to become a great voice actor which takes it's not going to happen overnight so yeah you can you can buy a booth and that will prevent exterior noise but you don't have to get necessarily get a really expensive booth just something that you know if you build one yourself if you can get a lot of that exterior noise out that will help a whole lot but part two of part one is or part b i think is the best way to put it is acoustical treatment what is it you're trying to accomplish inside the space in which you're recording uh most importantly you don't want it to be reflective and that means sounding like you're in a tube you're talking into a box you're in a cave uh and there's a number of things that can happen there you you know you'll get bass reflex bass reflex is that sound of over over modulated uh lower frequencies uh if you happen to have a very deep voice uh one of my i had one last week somebody had a ringing noise in their booth and i'm like you'll have like a bell shaped uh lamp in there or something like that's made no i don't think so i'm like if you over project you you can hear the ringing something metal in there is vibrating at just the right frequency of your voice and it's coming back as a ringing sound uh you've got it's got to be you know some people say it's got to be dead not necessarily dead dead it has to sound like you're in a room you know but you are not that far from the mic you know and you know mic technique is an important piece of it but if you're at the right distance from the mic and you're not over projecting it should sound like just your voice there shouldn't be any what we call slap back there shouldn't be any echo there shouldn't be any bass reflex there are ways to fix that using acoustical foam bass traps things along those lines but there's only one way to determine if you need that and that's to talk to mr witterman myself and send us a sample so we can hear it and we can say okay there is something going on it takes five seconds for us to listen to this we're this is the kind of thing that you can't plug it into a computer formula you and trust us hiring a very fancy expensive acoustician company ain't gonna help you either because they generally don't know how to tune acoustically these really weird little spaces that we all work in they i've talked to a lot of them they don't know a lot of this is a little bit of a black art it's not like it's difficult to do it's just that the knowledge isn't that common among even the industry so we're gonna get you the right advice you mean you we're practitioners of black art you would think so you would think so but a lack of books the lack of chapters the lack of topics in all of the acoustic books that i keep wasting my money on because they never ever talk about the subject of a small iso booth and acoustically tuning it so yeah that's what we do when when when you hear something that's not going on that doesn't sound right like there's a node or something like that how do you approach it what how do you find where to fix it uh yeah i well there's one way you can actually look up something that i was just saying a second ago that there's no there's no computer calculators there there actually is something called a room mode calculator that will give you a little bit of information it's going to tell you the frequencies at which that room will naturally resonate just like a bell has a specific frequency that it rings a booth will have well unfortunately not just one but at least three frequencies based on the dimensions length width and height uh that it's going to ring so we do have some ways to kind of predict oh you're gonna have some real problems at 125 hertz you know so that means those two inch panels they sure look good they sure look like they're gonna do it but they're just not gonna do it we know we need to get thicker panels now we got to go to four inch panels right so um that's the kind of thing that i will look for and also listen for it also depends on the kind of mic you're using depends on how close it is it depends where the mic is inside the space i know dan you talked about that like you've moved them like this way that way up down and so you find this sweet spot in there where it doesn't seem to hear that ringing in resonance anymore yeah sometimes yeah one of the cool things you can do if you're in a booth or even in in a closet full of clothes or something like that is listen at different levels you know whether you're sitting or standing or halfway or leaning or something yeah it's fascinating how the level of where your voice is at in that particular space how it will resonate back and that's how you find the sweet spot at least height wise and then where is the best place to you know to put the microphone inside that space yeah so you know but it back to the the thing about about acoustics you know one of the things that i look for because i don't want people spending a lot of money when they're starting out you know yeah try something that's simple if you have a really really quiet room usually i will suggest something like a pvc booth you know like four corners or or the the the tri-booth that uh that rick waserman and yourself designed yeah it's uh you know it it will work in a quiet room if they're if you're already well isolated from exterior noise like if there is no exterior walls which is great about a closet that's an interior closet because the rest of the house or the apartment will will prevent some of that noise coming through yeah but if you have a quiet room you can use a pvc pipe booth with moving blankets on it or some higher quality sound absorbing blankets like uh like audio mute or producer's choice or something along those lines those work great if you have a quiet room and that will create a very very quiet space and a very non-reflective space free of bouncing and reflection right and that's what you want and that's the kind of thing that you want to prevent is that reflection you know the noise you know i mean if you got a fan going somewhere i mean you know i can i can mute my mic and it's gonna get rid of this or i could turn the air conditioning off it's amazing or you can get a really really small fan like this one i'm turning the air conditioning back on because it's 92 degrees out there it warms up this little fan on on the one setting it's not that it's completely dead silent but it is quiet enough that you could probably do a lot of things with a little breeze and adjust that all thanks all the difference yeah all right well we're going to get to some questions hey you got plenty of time to get your questions about your home voiceover studio or something that you've always wanted to know but we're afraid to ask because we weren't there with you but now we are or some severe you heard about what's some some new kind of thing or new mic or something along those lines you want us to talk about it throw it in the chat room i know jeff holman is still in there taking down those questions watching all your comments and facebook and on youtube and we will get to them right after these important messages so don't go away we'll be right back here on voiceover body shop tech talk this ariana rattner and you're enjoying voiceover body shop with dan lennard and george widham v obs dot tv inflated prices not at voice over essentials dot com despite the nationwide inflation rate of over eight percent voice over essentials refuses to raise prices in fact they refuse to even say the i-word their inventory is large on all 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for red this is your near it when hope is lost the i8 from bmw who said saving the planet couldn't be stylish hey it's j michael collins bet you think i'm gonna try and sell you a demo now huh i think they speak for themselves but i will give you my email it's j michael at jmc voiceover dot com now if they will stop waxing this mustache for a minute we'll get back to the show before time began there was v obs dot tv watch or else and we're back here at v obs tech talk and we love your questions still lots of room in the the queue for a couple more questions as well from you guys about home voiceover studios because that's what we like to talk about i mean when george and i get together you know aside from some of the personal crap we talk about tech and you know yeah what did you i gotta tell you about this client i had i won't mention any names but you know they had this or they had that and you know which is why we have very similar philosophies a lot of fix these things and getting things sounding right yep we know that we we know it works we've we've we've definitely kind of started to figure out what works what doesn't and it rarely does it differentiate diff differ much between dan and i yeah no because i'm older i have more experience at life you have more experience than tech so combine the two and it's like come on be logical anyway uh jeff holman asks george is the the v obs discount still in force what's the coupon code over at uh over george the dot yeah well yeah there's there's the v obs fan 10 code that gives you 10 percent off and from past episodes if you watch the end of the show you'll see my prior discount codes which are still also an active are active those codes will still be active until the end of the year um so uh but the current one is v obs fan 10 um and then the second part uh what is the best mic to use for on-camera videos like a self-tape i'm using my iphone 12 pro max as my camera dan's holding it in his hand this is a great little mic this is the go to or what yeah i think it's the road video mic go video mic go to we used this last week when we were doing the uh the interview at mojave at mojave microphones and it worked great did we it was it was really running gun we just plugged it in with that special cable there is a cable that you want to buy that will directly interface the usb yeah to your iphone slightly different than the the regular iphone lightning cable but but man we just plugged it right in i'm like we didn't even test it and suddenly yeah that's right it was definitely easy we for self tapes definitely keep it simple i've heard of some pretty elaborate setups people are saddling themselves with do don't go there keep it keep it authentic keep it real make sure they can see you and hear you but it doesn't have to sound like a studio you know don't overdo it yeah but you know i mean there's you know if you use a shotgun mic i mean a 416 or any other you know shotgun mic along those lines works great but you still have to have an interface with it yeah you know if you're if you're you know filming with your your iphone uh which as far as i'm concerned probably one of the best cameras it's the best cameras most anybody has in their house at this point is is the iphone camera right it's for sure i mean it's a big improvement over one of these guys i mean this thing was charged five years ago and it still works which is actually pretty amazing you know it's crazy like i see like cameras i see photos now all these bike races i'm in people come and they're nice enough to share the photos they take and they're taking them with big expensive cameras with long lenses and all this stuff almost never do their photographs look as good as a lot of the iphone photos that i've taken because there's a lot more to taking a picture than just squeezing the trigger and iphone's are doing is a lot of computational photography that's why the color balance is great the exposure is great most of the time the focus is dead on there's a huge amount of processing that's happening the second you take that photo and that all those other cameras require you to do all that in post and a lot of people don't bother so yeah it's much much easier to get great sounding video and audio from an iphone than almost any pro camera that's for sure yeah question from terry briska this is a very interesting question it's a tech question good because it's tech talk i will be doing my first demo outside of my own studio which is probably pretty good should i take my home studio mic to record on or use the studio's mic which is going to be most likely a 416 when i myself record on an mke 600 my concern is being able to reproduce what i'm putting on the demo oh good question it's a good question and i think it's one of those you're way overthinking it questions one chances are ask the studio if they have an mke 600 because you know recording studios you know it's not like they have one mic they have what they call a mic locker and they have lots of different microphones for lots of different things especially if it's a regular recording studio that that you know records bands or orchestras or and they've got a whole line of different types of microphones and we'll set it up the way you use it just ask them i think that that's pretty simple so there's no need to like yank your mic out of your own studio to do that now is it going to be a big difference i find that george you can argue with me about this or you can like you know dan you're absolutely right the sound you have is the sound you have and are you going to sound better on one mic versus another when you're making a demo it's recording your voice and it's capturing you as you exist and if you have a good demo producer they're going to they're going to do all sorts of things to it to make it sound like it's a demo like it's real they'll add compression and eq so it will be consistent across the board now if you book a gig off that demo and you're using your mke 600 it's not going to really matter it's what they're really looking for is are you interpreting the copy the way the author and the advertiser or whoever wants it done if it doesn't sound like garbage then you'll be then you'll be fine yeah i mean if you i wouldn't worry about what mic the demo is recording on because a demo is going to be produced the audio you're sending out for auditions shouldn't be produced like if you're trying to sound just like you did on that demo it's not going to make sense in the context of an audition it's going to sound overproduced it's going to sound too loud too shiny too bright to whatever and um so it's not a bad idea i think your heart is in the right place it's definitely more about can you act and on can you be directed to get that performance that you've done on the demo not so much about can you reproduce the recording quality i think of what's on that demo so it's a good question plus the mk 600 is a shotgun and it sounds a lot like a 416 so yeah i think dan dan nailed it i would say i would agree completely the second question is about the update to isotope rx 10 um have you tried it yet well no nobody's tried yet because unless you're don barnes who helps develop their software um no you're not we're not going to have it yet i just i just looked online and they're saying it's so it's so early that uh we're not even sure what they're actually going to be doing to make our rx 10 new or better or whatever so sorry it's a little early um maybe in a month from now or so i'm not sure the release date but they release always in the fall i think um maybe we'll have had a chance i i know that when from eight rx eight rx nine there was basically no marked improvement for a voiceover actor i wonder what they changed then there was little that had anything to do with what voice actors need the mouth to click was the same right the voice denoise was the same the the the chains and all that stuff worked the same seven to eight there was a big improvement that because chains could be imported and uh effects chains could be made and imported easily and they did make some real improvements under the under the hood but i don't know what they're going to do in 10 if they have a perfect reverb or something that will change the acoustic character of your recording space convincingly uh or get rid of your booth sound um okay you'll you'll you'll have my attention they certainly got waves uh clarity vx which is this crazy noise reduction plugin uh to uh to compete against so we'll have to wait and see yeah i mean i you know if you've got a doby audition you don't really need rx seven rx seven was really designed i think initially to fix vinyl records yeah yeah like restoring audio from bad recordings from you know 2050 80 years ago yeah right so if your studio and the fact of the matter is even if you're recording in you know somewhat of a a a a marginal space uh you don't want to like you know use a hand grenade to to fix it uh you know it's it's rx seven or rx you know the isotope stuff it's fabulous it really is amazing stuff but you know my philosophy is everything is physical if you get it right physically up front you don't necessarily need that kind of stuff but it's good to have and it's fun to have around and and and it's good it will help you learn a little bit more about audio um a deriever would be really great but of course if you're recording in a really reflective space i would suggest a different space you know in podcasting and stuff like that you know it's like those tools are really designed for fixing interview audio and things where it's really critical to be able to hear the other person but for a single voiceover stuff i tend to think it's a bit of overkill not to say that it's a bad program it's amazing technology and if you know how to use it and you know how to use it subtly and seamlessly i think that's a good way to go you get the question from jonathan grant uh he says hey jeff george and dan's preferred filler for a cloud panel uh oc 703 or mineral wool so yeah what's the best acoustical liner to put into an acoustical cloud panel in the ceiling um oc one oc 703 is a classic it's been used in tons and tons of studios to me mineral wool is sort of the next evolution in terms of product because it's less toxic um doesn't have the formaldehyde glue that bonds it together so i i tend to lean on mineral mineral wool or rock wool is the brand name one of the brand names of it there's others but yeah that's yeah that's what i use when i when i build a cloud you know you just gotta be careful with it because like fiberglass it it has tiny little microscopic things that will itch so yeah and it will wear gloves the air yeah or or you know we're an environmental suit or you know a painter's suit or something like that when you're working with it to create the clouds clouds are actually quite easy to build and uh they can make a huge difference say if you're if you've got a closet that you're recording in that's too big or is really really high by putting in a cloud you are reducing the acoustical size of the room not the actual physical size of the room but it will diffuse and absorb the sound that is above it so you don't you're not you're not like you know reverbing like it's like a guitar yeah it also gives you a bass trapping effect too usually because you've created this gap above it where lower frequencies will tend to be collecting more often and the panel can do a pretty effective job of controlling some of the bass too absolutely just make sure yeah what dan was saying there's fibers in this stuff that can get into the air absolutely make sure there's no nothing left open so like if you've got a panel hanging from the ceiling with this stuff on top make sure you put a back a layer of fabric over the back to trap it inside you know i've been using yeah i've been using weed block oh yeah which works really really well black right it's black it's it's you know it's flexible uh you know and it covers it up with the staple gun yeah boom and it works really really well cool and i've been building those for people lately it makes a huge difference in in in closets and stuff like that uh kathryn jade jarvy asks assuming i'm comfortable and able to perform as usual is there such a thing as too small for a booth i'm immediately thinking of a very small booth of someone we both know very well where you just sort squeeze in there but she makes it work so what was that lori alan they would have been the one yes um i can say that because she no longer is in that tiny booth oh good now she's in a larger closet it's still a closet but it's still she actually has elbow room finally but uh i have yeah that booth i never thought it could sound good as as small as it was and narrow it was it was and but sometimes just the right amount of paneling in the right places you can get away with some very small spaces you're just going to be uncomfortable in long recording sessions just there's no two ways about it you're just not going to be comfortable yeah you're going to run it you're going to get warm or hot you're going to use up well you're going to use up oxygen and worse they're going to actually expel too much carbon dioxide in there and it gets going to get really stuffy and and all this so yeah it's that's where they when things get too small it's really that's what doors are for and you just this is this is the best ventilation system opening a door quickly will let the carbon dioxide out in the oxygen and yeah exactly that that'll help but a small booth yeah it can work uh we tend to like to think that you should probably have something you know at least three and a half by three and a half or four by four by whatever height reduced with the cloud um you know there's you've you've got to be able to it's got to breathe a little bit yeah the smaller the boot the more you know the more complex it can be because yeah you can't over project because it will bounce right back even even yeah a lot of treatment there and you can't move around like you can't physically gesticulate you can't work the microphone that much because you don't have that much space to work if you're being directed and they say can you step back six inches from the mic and you're like i'm already against the wall you know yeah they do get too small yeah and and also in in my technique is different in a in a small booth i mean we we've got these these rules uh one is you know first off if you're in a really tiny booth just a fist fist away if it's a good size booth you know four by four something like that thumbs up if you're in a slightly larger room or in a bigger room you know george you developed the thing it's like you've got to be farther away so it's like fist thumbs up mahalo yeah those seem to be the three different distance ranges that work like i'm in a bigger room it's just an office and i can get this far away and it still sounds pretty present you get a little bit of reflection but it's still workable so yeah but that's most people can't get that too that far away from the mic without causing problems yep uh mike max goldberg asks can you put a mac mini ssd in the booth to eliminate fan noise the new mac minis you know i don't i don't notice it on the ssd yeah i mean well it's a mac mini with an ssd they all have ssds oh yeah they all have ssds yeah every mac mini has solid state drives and the m ones maybe that's what you're thinking of the new silicon chip m ones the m one or the m two are they're not fanless but they are really quiet really really quiet fans like crazy quiet um so it's it's i consider it almost fanless because it just i've never ever heard the fan from my m one have you dan have you ever heard the fan noise from it i've never listened i mean i mean sometimes i might hear there's a rumble somewhere and i'm like is it under the desk no and it's coming from somewhere else other than my computer yeah it's now the mac book air deadly silent this is not not a sound at all out of there no fan or fan at all yep so uh yeah you can you know a mac mini ssd you know with an ssd drive in it is you're not going to get the worrying sound of a of a mechanical drive but i'll tell you the older one though the intel from 2018 and older you will hear the fan they're not silent those fans do spin up quite a bit and they can be quite noisy um an older mac mini can sound like just sort of like a hair dryer running constantly maybe not quite that loud but just just like that all because i have a 2011 in my in my near the tv that uses like a server and to watch old videos home videos and when that thing's on for a day or so i just noticed oh yeah that mac mini is still on it's just going all the time constantly you know so definitely not silent yeah yeah i'm trying to i i've got all these max sitting around you know i mean i've sold a couple of them but now they're sitting around you know maybe the battery's dead out or something but if you can fix them the great thing about max is you can just keep using them for all sorts of things you know yeah uh you know have have have it playing video on halloween in front of your house yeah exactly don't ask me why i thought of that but um you get the question from johnson grant yes all right um from jonathan says i record in a desk chair a bar stool and a standing height depending on what i'm reading i have solid wall treatment at all heights but wondering about how to ensure tuning of the cloud for those different heights um the worst case is always the closer you are to the ceiling right so if you sound good when you're standing it's going to sound great when you're seated so i would not worry about tuning the cloud for seated position i only find that it's a real concern uh as you get closer and closer to the ceiling that's been my experience dan how about you wait i just had this bizarre thought about how you could do this and this is because i'm a sailor is it involved pulleys and pulleys and it involves pulleys and cleats and stuff like that if you can suspend it and have a cleat on the side and know the settings for those different things you just raise it and lower it it would be an interesting experiment not something i've done where made an adjustable hanging height cloud and played around with it so interesting idea it could be done if you're really motivated i know jonathan grant is because i've seen his studio his studio is really really well designed he's got a lot of fun to do is go over to ace hardware get some rope and some pulleys and you can you get that's amazing what you can do i've built lots of shades you know roman shades and stuff like if you know understand that technology that would be nothing that would be an easy thing to do but he said i'm he's like omg i'm designing that now to follow my oh god no sit stand desk because i think he has an electric lift desk so make it attach the chair and raise that up that way anyway well great questions folks that's that's that's the kind of stuff we like to get and as you can see george and i just love talking about it because it's like how would we do that we love the crazy ideas we will come up with too and we just make this scratch our head yeah should it be done does it help would you bother can i pull us out just on our head yeah we want to see pictures when you actually do that all righty well another hour gone sort of uh again if you have a question for us uh at any time you can write to us at the guys at v obs dot tv and uh and if you write to us if you write your question down long before we record this show it gets priority it'll be number one in the queue so you know but you can and of course you can always you know be here live and ask your questions live and that's the best part about it anyway we're gonna take a quick break and then 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