Coming up on DTNS, Huawei's new operating system. Why isn't linked in a cesspool? And the scoop on Australia's national broadband network. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, August 9th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane.  I hit the sack. I'm Len Peralta. And I'm the show's producer, Roger Chen. Joining us today, Raj Deut from Reckoner is with us. Welcome back, Raj. Thanks for having me. And we should also be welcoming back. Len Peralta has been gone for a couple of weeks being Professor Peralta. Yes, thank you. Thank you so much. It's great to be back. And hopefully my artistic vision will add plenty to the show. We were just talking about the various overpriced snacks you can get in various parts of the world on Good Day Internet. If that sounds interesting to you, if you want to hang out with us before the show, you can become a member and get that more at patreon.com. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Adobe says its upcoming apps Aero, Fresco, and Photoshop for iPad will focus on experiences, quote, outside the glass. Read AR. And be fluid between mobile and desktop devices. Adobe's Project Glass Wing, which is still in development, uses mixed reality and display to allow Photoshop or After Effects layers to be viewed in a transparent screen in front of real 3D objects. Adobe intends to partner with hardware companies to create realistic solutions for the project, such as in the retail space. So eventually we'll be asking Len to do that in front of us. Apple's Bug Bounty program is not only expanding to Max, but also Apple TV and Apple Watch. At Black Hat, Apple announced it will open its Bug Bounty program to all researchers and increase the bounty from $200,000 per exploit to $1 million for a zero-click full-chain kernel code execution to attack with persistence. Gets less if it's not that. If a researcher finds or reports a vulnerability in pre-release builds before general release, they'll qualify for up to a 50% bonus. Huawei announced it plans to build an $800 million plan in Brazil's Sao Paulo state over the next three years. As part of an agreement, Huawei will invest in the state's Institute of Technological Research between 2020 and 2022, as well as in public education. Huawei has one factory in Sao Paulo already and employs 2,000 people. Nokia and Ericsson also have factories in the state. And US Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross said last week his department has received 50 requests for licenses to resume sales to Huawei. However, Bloomberg reports today, people familiar with the matter saying the US is holding off on decisions regarding those applications as China says its halting purchases of US farm goods. So we may not be getting that easing of restrictions that we thought and we have a little more to talk about from Huawei, Sarah. Yeah, just a little. At the Huawei Developer Conference, CEO Richard Yu unveiled Harmony OS or Hong Meng, as it will be known in China, an open source microkernel based distributed OS primarily aimed at IoT devices. Yu claims the OS is faster and safer than Android. The OS doesn't allow root access thanks to kernel isolation. It uses formal mathematical verification to spot vulnerabilities and a deterministic latency engine to allocate resources with real-time analysis and forward casting. As a result, you claims that Harmony OS offers instructions per clock performance five times faster than Google's Fuchsia and three times faster than QNX. Harmony OS will first appear in the Honor Smart screen to be announced Saturday and will expand over the next several years to wearables and other smart devices. For now, it still includes the Linux kernel from Huawei's Lite OS kernel alongside its microkernel. Version 2.0 is scheduled for 2020 and will offer just the microkernel with better graphics support. So my belief is that if there were no trade dispute going on between China and the United States, you would have gotten exactly the same announcement with exactly these same details minus the reassurances that Huawei still wants to use Android and minus the speculation that, well, we could use the Harmony OS on phones if we needed to, right? Most of this announcement feels very much like it's Huawei's Tizen or maybe as Huawei would like you to think of it, Huawei's Fuchsia, which is they're making an operating system for non-phones, because they know on the world market, competing with Android is a fool's game these days, but they would like to have an operating system that would make it easier for you to write applications once across multiple devices. Which could include phones eventually, right? I mean, yeah, exactly. It could include a phone eventually, but it wouldn't have to at the beginning. That would be kind of a long-term effect of this if it caught on. Yeah, they were pretty careful about not saying the word phone throughout this presentation. Like they said right at the end there, but they were sort of avoiding the terminology just to put, we're not running away from Android just yet. We want to reassure you that we're putting all eggs in that basket for the time being, I think they might have held off a little bit on this announcement if they weren't in this kind of sort of limbo land at the moment with the US. Maybe we'd hear more about it when a device actually came out like they're talking about later on this year. I may be wrong about this, Raj, but I believe this announcement was already scheduled like much earlier this year. But, yeah. It would have been a different kind of announcement too. Exactly, yeah. Maybe they were just going to talk about the product and more towards where they were moving. But the fact that they put this out there now, I think is sort of just poking that orange bear in the US just a little bit more. And even going back to the announcement that they're building that $800 million plant down in Brazil, ironically, that's the exact thing that Trump wanted companies to come and set up in the US. So it's even more just, this tit-for-tat sort of maneuver that's going on at the moment. Yeah, I think a lot of breathless reporting is Huawei's got to build its own operating system. They won't be able to use Android anymore. I mean, there's no way that this was all scrambled together in the last few months. This is obviously something that Huawei's been putting into place for some time. And it is a valid strategy that Samsung and Google are also pursuing to come up with an operating system that can straddle across multiple devices to be the place for phones in the future. Like you said, Sarah, like HarmonyOS could eventually come to phones. And the idea would be we've gotten so popular with the HarmonyOS on smart screens and IoT and wearables that we're extending it to the phone because that'll make it easier on developers, right? But you need to have that momentum first. You need to have the momentum in the IoT space first. And I think that's what Google's looking at with Fuchsia as well, which is they already have Android. So it would be a lot easier for them to get that momentum because they could eventually put out some Fuchsia-based phones. It's a big question, whether they will or not at this point, but it is one of the possibilities for Fuchsia. And I think Samsung has probably given up on the idea of ties in on a phone, but wouldn't mind if they were able to get it into that position at some point. And it's really the only way to compete with iOS and Android right now is to figure out an end around that goes through some kind of other device to where you get developers to be able to feel excited to develop for it and then have made it easy to be like, yeah, now that you've developed for this on our watches, your apps already work on any other device. That's the promise of it. The problem is while we can do this in China where there's 800,000 developers already working on Huawei, they filled a stadium for this announcement, a basketball stadium in China, but whether they can expand beyond China in the future is a big question mark too. I don't know if anybody wants to play some bets on that. Doesn't sound like you do. Well, not a betting man, Tom, but yeah, I think you make a really good point. Huawei, a lot of strength in China and to be able to expand globally in the way that it sounds like what Harmony OS is designed to do is, it's a big feat and there's a lot of competition. Companies are doing this very similar stuff. CNBC sources say Goldman Sachs is accepting credit applications for the Apple card from iPhone users with FICO scores below 660. 800 is usually considered really good score. 660 or below is often categorized as subprime. There's no official designation for that, but it's a reasonable point to look at. And CNBC notes that 13% of the $4.75 billion in personal loans at Goldman Sachs' Marcus business went to borrowers with FICO scores below 660. So Goldman Sachs has some experience providing credit to people with those low FICO scores, with those low credit scores. Now Apple reportedly wants the bank to approve as many iPhone customers as possible, and sources say the credit application process is designed in most cases to be completed in a couple of minutes. That's to verify your identity, check with the credit bureau that you can repay your debts and use some software from a firm called Provenir to make the credit decision. CNBC talked to one applicant who said his credit score was 620 and he received a card, but this may make more sense to you. His spending limit on the card is $750 and his interest rate is the maximum Apple gives 23.99%. Ooh, tough interest rate. Yeah, so for anybody saying, oh, subprime loans are back. These are- Good but then a house mortgage, right? Sure, sure, but yeah, the lower your credit score, the less money you're gonna have up front and the more you're gonna pay an interest. Goldman Sachs isn't gonna be doing anything that doesn't help them. Yeah, Raj, I don't know if you have a take on this. This isn't coming to your country yet, but are you excited about the Apple card? I think there's a lot of breathless reporting about what seems to be a fairly unremarkable product. Yeah, not really. From the anywhere outside of North America point of view, no one really cares. Just seeing a 24% interest rate on a credit card seems insane to me, so that's well, well beyond even if you do have a low credit score and things like that for us down and down under at the moment, so yeah, not our cup of tea and not really looking forward to it coming either, to be honest. The New York Times, John Herman has an article up called Why Aren't We Talking About LinkedIn? LinkedIn has a news feed with comment and share buttons at the end of last year, LinkedIn reported over two million posts and videos and articles coursed through the LinkedIn feed. It says it has 645 million users, 180 million of those are in North America, and yet LinkedIn has mostly avoided a lot of the controversies and problems of Twitter and Facebook, which would be competitors. The story implies that this is because it's a more workplace atmosphere, that and it also kind of acts as a record of you and your job description and resume if you're trying to look for a job. People can look up and see what you've been up to on LinkedIn. LinkedIn also has an internal editorial team of 65 who write and curate business content. And many of its best features like messaging people that you aren't already connected to require you to pay. Yeah, so it's a different animal than Twitter and Facebook because you have to pay to get the most out of it.  And it's meant for something particular. And while on the one hand, it's apples and oranges, and you can't really say like, well, but these are massive social networks that are attempting to connect the world. This one was really focused just around workplace environments. LinkedIn has been able to expand its mission without undermining the quality of its community. And maybe what I'd like to suggest is that is a better way to approach social networks. Maybe the way we solve some of these problems with Facebook and Twitter is having more focused communities where people don't want to risk their reputation in that community because they like it. Right now on Facebook and Twitter, who cares if you risk your reputation with Facebook and Twitter because there's no point to it, right? LinkedIn very specifically is like, well, you might not get hired.  But if you're in a community of like-minded people who all love a particular kind of thing, I don't know if it's television show or whatever, you would start to feel a little bit of the same thing. Am I crazy? No, you're not crazy at all. Go ahead, Raj. I'd agree about that. It's a record of who you are. Like it very much affects... I just recently had a new boss come into my office and he already knew everyone and the sort of what he gathered as the personas by looking them up on LinkedIn. So what you share, the way you act, the way you interact with people on LinkedIn is almost a facade of the person underneath because it's you outwardly presenting yourself to the world as an employable person or one that's making connections in that. I kind of think of it as like the Tony Robinson of social networks. Like it's not a place where people go to sort of, put far out opinionated left-wing or right-wing opinions on certain subjects to really just representing you as an employable character in the world and very different to the other social networks that are around. And a lot of the things that I see shared on there when I do sort of bother to go have a look, a very sort of corporate in nature or a way of representing what you've done or how you can big note yourself a little bit more to make yourself a little more appealing to those recruiters or potential employers out there rather than joining your local community or neighborhood's Facebook group and complaining that the bins aren't being collected at the right time on the day. So... Yeah, yeah. I definitely underutilized LinkedIn because I've for the last decade now that's just where my resume lives. And every once in a while, like, oh, I gotta update that. I've been doing some things since the last time I was here. And then there'll be messages that I hadn't seen and, you know, because I don't have notifications on. However, many of my peers use LinkedIn the way that I use Facebook. It is a connection tool. There are articles being written and people are giving each other accolades for jobs, well done. And I even produce a podcast where recently the hosts of the podcast said, you know, let's change the promo to just drive everybody to our LinkedIn page because that's where it's gonna get the most traffic. I was like, wow, I haven't heard that in a while or ever. So yeah, I think it's what you make it, but I think Raj, you're correct it. It definitely has a corporate feel. That's gonna work for some people really well and others will feel like it's not the network for them. Well, it's got the downsides of an office aura as well, right? There's certain conversations you just don't have in the office. That's one of the positives is you don't have people parading around a bunch of propaganda from their side of the argument because people just generally don't do that. And if they do do it in the office, it's kind of frowned upon. So maybe the key is if you're gonna replicate LinkedIn's success in this manner, it's not that you replicate LinkedIn, it's you replicate the idea of LinkedIn replicated the office workplace, the office Gestalt. How do we replicate other polite areas of society where we don't attack each other? Is there a way to do that? Interesting.  It will let any Discord user on Windows stream video of their game. No webcam support just to their game to any voice channel for up to 10 people at a time. Now Mac and Linux users can watch, they just can't stream. And if you have a boosted server or if you have Nitro, you get a higher quality stream. Admins can also turn the feature on or off at the server level if you're like, I don't want people streaming on this server. But otherwise you can just hop in and share what you're playing with up to 10 people. So it's a game party. It's not a way to amass millions of fans. Yeah. This is very different. It's to my point with LinkedIn, it's replicating a bunch of friends getting together and watching each other play video games, not streaming your video game to the world, sort of situation. You know, another instance I think this could be really useful with is playing something like Dungeons and Dragons with your friends remotely. Like you can use streaming your friend. It's not, I know it's not a camera, but it's sort of more of that community feel where it's just the people that's involved rather than opening it up to the public to make, well, you could use Hangouts and something like that for as well. But it sort of gives you a playing platform that you can share your desktop or what's streaming on your machine rather than just, it doesn't necessarily have to be a game, right? So it's kind of interesting the way that Discord's moving to this community sort of focused element. I think it might have to be a game because it's using the same function that identifies what game you're playing in Discord. Right, right, yeah. Yeah, but it could easily pivot if it actually goes up. And the real Silverblade says it replicates the arcade feel. I think that's an even better metaphor because anybody could just kind of wander in to that voice channel if they're on that server and be like, oh, what you playing, that's cool. Definitely. Let's talk numbers, shall we? All right, in Q2, Uber reported it lost $5.2 billion in the last three months. It's a lot of money, but adjusting for multiple one-time expenses and EBI TDA, which is earnings before interest tax depreciation and immortalization saw Uber lose $656 million, still a lot of money. By comparison, Lyft lost and adjusted $197 million. Overall revenue for Uber grew 14% on the year with gross bookings increasing 31% to $15.76 billion. Uber's ride-hailing business revenue grew just 2%. Uber Eats grew 72%. Overall, Uber reported 99 million monthly active users, which is up 30% on the year with price per trip increasing 20%. Although after accounting for driver payment, Uber saw a 4% increase in its take. So... Everybody likes food delivery. Yeah, Uber? Well, yeah, not for sure. And Uber and Lyft both losing money at different rates. Lyft growing a little faster than Uber, but also Lyft had a smaller rider based with so it can grow faster because it's got more room to grow. The big question about Uber and Grab and DD and all of these is can they get to profitability? Will they continue to get the ridership if they raise the prices? And we're seeing them finally start to raise the prices. We're seeing paying drivers more, eat into the profits for Uber. Is this something where, I don't think it's gonna go away tomorrow, but is it going to fulfill the bet of all of its investors which are, we understand it's gonna lose money for a while. That's typical for startups. That's not a controversial thing in business because usually you're like, but we know the plan to profitability. We know what the plan to profitability for Uber is. It's just starting, I'm starting to wonder if they can get there. Maybe they can. Yeah, and a lot of this major loss for Uber, this round was to do with their IPO and paying out shares and so forth, but they still lost a lot of money. Even without that, I think it was over a hundred and something million. It's a race between how long can shareholders wait for the profitability versus do they lose faith in the profitability? If they start losing... The share ended up after this earnings announcement. Yeah, well, if they start losing faith and that share price continues to fall, then the race for becoming profitable is gonna lose out. So it's just a matter of trying to beat that bullet before investors just give up on a shaky ride that's already starting to look like the wheels are falling off. Well, we've already seen riders complain and in some cases protest in certain places around the world that their share is going down. So the rides are up. More people are using Uber than ever. If you account for driver payment, Uber's not seeing a huge increase in its take, but if you lower the driver payouts enough, then the drivers will go to another competitor like Lyft or stop working for ride-hailing services entirely. So it's a tricky situation. According to this earnings report, Uber has been going the other way. They've been increasing the amount that they're paying to drivers. And I would expect that to continue because they don't want to have these complaints. The complaints are gonna be there. The complaints are never gonna wait. Drivers are never gonna feel like they're paid enough, but they wanna get to a point where it's not obvious that drivers are getting ripped off. And to do that, they're gonna have to raise prices. And if they raise prices, how is that gonna affect ridership or is there more elastic demand? And then Uber and Lyft and a lot of these other companies say these sort of vague things about, well, we have this addressable market of other things that we can do. And that's usually kind of a vague reference to scooters and bikes and integration with public transport and maybe even calling regular taxis in some markets. So there's a lot of possibility and it seems like the investors still believe in that possibility, but we're starting to get to the point where we're gonna have to see the possibility turn into reality. Hey, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechmidlines.com. All right, folks, multiple plans in the United States have proposed some kind of system for giving grants or some other kind of incentive to encourage local governments or other organizations to roll out fiber to underserved rural areas. The most recent US presidential candidate, Elizabeth Warren, proposed a large grant if she were elected. In Australia, y'all have done this, Raj. And in fact, New Zealand has done it too. The National Broadband Network in Australia promised fiber internet for all. Raj, how has that worked out? Oh, where do I start? Let me tell you a story of two countries and how they decided they'd roll out broadband networks for all. I'll try and summarize it as quickly as possible. 10 years ago, both New Zealand and Australia promised the governments at the time promised that they would build a broadband network that encompassed a large portion of the population. In Australia, the guys that came up with the idea famously figured out the economics on the back of an envelope whilst they were flying somewhere and predicted that they could cover 93% of the population by spending around US three billion. New Zealand, on the other hand, thought that they could do it for one billion. One of those countries got it right and delivered a product. And the others is still, to this day, trying to catch up. And I'll let you guess which one it is. The one that spent less, right? Yeah, it is, it is. New Zealand did it a little bit differently. They went, we're gonna cover 73% of the populations and only focus on cities with 10,000 people or more. Australia went, no, we're just going straight out bars for everyone we possibly can. That meant covering very, very regional areas of the country. Australia is quite large, almost as big as the continental US and in land mass, but only has about 25 million. So getting broadband internet to all of those people meant that they were not only trying to negotiate with the encumbered telecommunications company similar to AT&T, our version was Telstra at the time and offering them about three billion to essentially build the network off the back of their own. And they said, no, and the government decided, all right, we're just gonna build our own and which will cost us around 30 US billion. And even then after about eight years, it was another nine billion on top of that. And we're still not there. And there was all these sort of roadblocks along the way as to why that isn't the case, change of governments, different ideas on technology, bringing in different mixes of technology going from having fiber to everyone's house to fixed wireless, fixed satellite, fiber to a node, which was a box on the end of your street that they ran phone cables to, fiber to the basement, fiber to the curb. There's all different variations, which have just made this turn into one giant mess that we have today. But for the regional aspect of it, that is probably the most successful part of the Australian story. But for us in Australia, they put up two satellites, they call SkyMuster, and they have a capacity, combined capacity of about 185 gigabits and costs around about 1.3 US billion to make and launch. And they work pretty well. They only have a 25 meg down and five meg up, so they're not exactly groundbreaking when it comes to speed. But for those in regional areas that were, I'm talking hundreds of kilometers away from the nearest town on cattle stations, it provided access to a service that they'd never been able to get to before, or using dial-up modems over very, very shaky connections. So in that aspect of the project, it's worked really well. It's in the more populated areas, such as cities, where we want these extra speeds, we want these things to be faster and have better quality of internet, but there's been a whole raft of issues, basically that the government sort of created for themselves in the way that they've done it. One of the reactions we get quite a bit when we talk about the United States versus say Korea or Japan, and I'm seeing people say it in relation to New Zealand versus Australia is, one's bigger than the other. That makes it harder to cover. How much do you think that actually plays into it? Look, not a huge amount, to be honest. The majority of the Australian population is on seaboard and there's pockets of population. Sydney has 5 million, Melbourne has 5 million. There's only another sort of 15 million in the country and they're mainly in big cities like that. The biggest issue with Australia is that there was no true fiber connections in the existing network. So we were essentially ripping out all of the infrastructure and putting it in. New Zealand, on the other hand, had fiber to most of the neighborhoods over the country that they were installing this with. So they really just needed to go that last sort of stretch from the end of the street to the premise itself. So their installation costs were significantly less because of that fact. Whereas we've tried to sort of go back and retrofit HFC networks similar to like your old cable networks in the US. And that really isn't up to snuff. And so they've ended up sort of, they bought two of them that we had here in Australia that were off of private providers.  And then the other one is barely holding on at the trying to sort of eke every last mile out of it that they can. With the US being so wide, I like the way that Elizabeth Warren has detailed her approach in that for regional areas that they want to bring broadband to that to do that they're bringing, creating a governing body that's going to give out grants and allow local councils and communities to be the ones that implement that infrastructure or contract the people that do it. But we saw Fiber try and do it in Austin that didn't really go too well because they were again trying to build the infrastructure from scratch. Whereas at least you have some sort of network of infrastructure that's Fiber for the most part that you can build off of as a backbone and these regional areas, even though the regional to you, they're by no means regional by an Australian standards I would say or I'd argue. So I think you've got a better place setting for one of these plans and nearly every Democratic candidate seems to have some sort of level of money that they want to throw at this. I think the worst one I saw was that someone wanted to throw a trillion dollars at building an infrastructure network. And I think that would be very much going down the wrong path, similar to what Australia did. But for the others, Bernie, I think said 20-odd, Elizabeth Warrens was 80. Those types of figures sound a little more realistic to me and would go after a model similar to what New Zealand has done where they encumbered three private companies to work under the umbrella of a new commercial entity that the government created. Yeah, it seems like the upshot of this is when you break up into smaller bites to chew, it's easier to get covered. And that if you don't over budget, it's harder to waste your money. And if you're looking at plans from various people, candidates, whatever, those are a couple of things to keep in mind. Raj, thanks for sharing that insight with us. No problem. Thanks also to everybody who participates in our subreddit, broadbandstories, very popular there. Submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. You can also hang out with us on Facebook. In our group, facebook.com, slash groups, slash dailytechnewshow. Let's check out the mailbag. Colin wrote in to point out that when anybody replaces a battery in an iPhone, this is in regards to our story yesterday, any battery other than Apple itself, and let's quote from the iFixIt story, quote, a message indicating you need to service your battery appears in settings and then battery next to battery health. The service message is normally an indication that the battery is degraded and needs to be replaced. As we mentioned on the show, this happens even if you use an authorized Apple battery. But Colin and a few others felt we weren't clear that this isn't a pop-up message, so we apologize. Yeah, I got carried away. I still think it's somewhat consumer hostile. It's certainly repair shop hostile. And it's probably less annoying than I made it sound yesterday. So I apologize for, you know, I went with the culture of outrage for a minute yesterday and it gets the best of us sometimes. Did you hear about this story, Raj? No, no, I didn't. But I'm about to or in need of getting a battery replaced in an iPhone, so it's good timing. Yeah, well, be aware that your battery health indicator might go away if you don't have Apple to it. Yeah, all right, let's check in with Len Peralta who has been illustrating the show. Len, what are you coming up with? You know, speaking of the culture of outrage, you know, I don't know what's gonna happen with this thing that Elizabeth Warren has put forward, but I will tell you that tech will have the best slogans if they're going to be out there canvassing for full networks. Couple of them are Wi-Fi progress, broadband for all 192.168.01s, ice cream for ice streams. And of course, the most popular one is just wants less choppy Netflix. So yeah, so whatever happens with the future of a national broadband network here in the United States, you know that when we hit the streets, the nerds are gonna write the best slogans. A little bit broadband for all 192.168.01s. I mean, I can't believe you gave out your admin IP address there. Ah man, I didn't even think about that. Dang it. Yeah, this is available right now. My Patreon, patreon.com forward slash lend or my online store, lendpropstore.com. Thanks, Len. And thanks also to Raj Dut. 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This is JSA TV, the newsroom for tech and telecom professionals and JSA radio, your voice for tech and telecom on IHOT radio. I'm Jamie Scott-Otaya and on behalf of my team here at JSA, welcome to our monthly virtual CEO roundtable. These virtual roundtables lead us up to our on-site CEO roundtables at our C-level networking event, the telecom exchange. Next one up, June 20th in Hoboken, New Jersey at the W Hotel. And later in the year, telecom exchange LA, November 7th, Beverly Hills. More info for both events at thetelecomexchange.com. So let's get started. We are gathered here today to talk about the state of dark fiber. And we have an executive lineup for you from three absolutely innovative companies, Clarion, Xeo and Zenfide. And in true roundtable format, our live viewers can now type in their questions in the question box. And time permitting, we will pose your questions to our speakers. And I'm very proud to introduce today our star guest moderator, leading journalist and editor, particularly on dark and lit fiber news, Mr. Sean Buckley, who head up the editorial at Fierce Helicom, part of Fierce Markets for the past nine years. Sean, it's an honor to have you. And thank you so much for the many contributions and coverage in our industry's news. Great. Let me introduce today's speakers. Like Jamie just said, we have a great lineup here of some real great experts starting with Cliff Cain, this co-CEO of Clarion, Mark Serjak, a long industry veteran who's the vice president of dark fiber services at Xeo. Finally, Ray LaChance, president and chief executive officer of Zenfide. Well, I'll just get right into it with some of the questions here. The first question is, the notion of dark fibers hardly new as we all know. Well, what's different about the opportunity now versus 20 years ago when the internet began to emerge? Mark, we'll start with you. What's your take on that? Yeah, man, I lived through the first wave of DSL deployment when I was in my early days of GT. And it was literally, as we all know, back in the 2000 mark, the Wild West. Everyone wanted an ISP, a Sea Lecker Colo, and it was all great and good until the market crashed and suddenly no one could get more materials. At that time, fiber was just a barrier. They were more focused on returns and doing an IPO than they were actually about connecting real customers. I think really now is what we're seeing today is dark fiber will be deployed very strategically to support bandwidth growth, data center activity, and also content providers. We deployed very methodically, and I think really going forward, we'll see carriers in their best interest, deploying them methodically not over-promised because the marketplace really has a long memory about who will be successful and who will not be. Cliff, how about you? I would agree with everything that's said. I would add that 20 years ago, dark fiber and putting dark fiber was a bit more specialized or a lot more specialized. I'd say from my perspective, the business end is that it's commoditized greatly. It's on the present. There's a lot of fiber out there. There's a lot more that's going to be needed. That's why we're back in this fiber game. I can remember maybe even a little bit before 20 years ago when you were doing fiber jobs with the guys that would come to Splicable wearing long white lab coats. There was Splicing one fiber at a time. It was just a whole different game and everything was so expensive. It's the skill sets to install dark fibers now more widespread and easily be found and the markets commoditized. Great. How about you? Sure. I'd like to characterize the evolution of the fiber industry that we're in now as we're in the second generation or dark fiber two generation. I think all the problems, the easy problems have been solved. Enterprise connectivity and your residential connectivity in major metropolitan areas. The sparse fiber networks have been built. The next problem, so we have coverage everywhere but we don't have capacity. The next build that has to happen is we have to now look at those backhaul networks that have been built today and now infill because at the end of the day, we need fiber anywhere. You need fiber at every rooftop, every floor of every office building, every street corner, throughout every major metropolitan city in the US and then certainly have to densify in other markets. While there is a lot of fiber, it's absolutely right. There's a ton of fiber in New York City. This doesn't go to the right places and there's not enough of it. So there's a great opportunity to build a whole new infrastructure. I think we're right at the beginning of this densification wave. It's dark fiber two generation. Great. Okay. This wouldn't be a discussion about dark fiber. We didn't talk about 5G network wireless deployment. So where do you see dark fibers roll in 5G wireless network deployment? Cliff, I'll start with you and then we'll go around the world here. Sure. Front hall, front hall, front hall. And the densification is, I think, mostly going to happen between small cell, DAF systems, IoT type aggregation points to front hall edge data centers. And that's indeed what we're positioning for as Clarion. That's why we've been acquiring data center operations in the Metro to provide the hoteling function along with the ability to design, build, install, and maintain fiber, and also on top of that, the ability to do the backhaul because our broader core network connects to all the local data centers. So the access to the carriers and customers alike can be provided to those edge data centers and then the front hall is what really needs to be built. So I think the major focus of fiber construction is going to be on the front hall side. That's more localized, more neighborhood driven. So that's how I see it. Mark, how about you? You're at Zeo, certainly winning a lot of big dark fiber contracts. I think you guys won a few recently actually in some big cities. But what's your perspective? I didn't really think about 5G networks. I mean, it's going to be pivotal of the next wave of the Internet of Things. And we commonly call the unknown unknowns. What's the bandwidth we need demands for today? Where does that look like even two or three years from now? It's going nowhere except we're explosively up. You know, in 5G also the potential to change the entire telecom landscape. Acceleration of cord cutting as we get into more streaming. And really to me is a shift from LIT service into wireless. If you look at low speed LIT services today, 5G is a potential of replacement. And then what happens to the carriers, you know, the AT&T's, the Verizon's, the Frontiers are from Ethernet services today. What happens long term? Really dark fiber is addition very well to enable those small cell networks we have to go through and build today. As carriers look to push out and extend and densify their networks to meet demand and backhaul that. There's really no other way to do that effectively except with dark fiber. It really gives those carriers and the ability to go through and say, hey, I have a scalable network today that for the future I have growth built into it as we deploy it. Ray, how about you? Sure. Well, it certainly couldn't agree more with Cliff and Mark on this. Look, the reality is what's 5G going to deliver 6G or 7G or whatever it ends up. And that's going to be very high capacity, very high bandwidth, low latency connectivity, both mobile users and fixed wireless users. The key is it's going to be delivered wirelessly. And what do you need to build great wireless networks? You need great wired networks. And it's all about densification, right? So you can't solve the 5G problem with more spectrum because there's just not enough spectrum to be allocated. And so what we have to do is this notion of spectral reuse, where we put antennas as close to the user as possible, use those same frequencies in close small cells that are adjacent to each other. And the best way to serve those small cells with capacity is to use fiber networking. And so we see that as the major growth. The reason the industry is seeing a huge growth in an uptick for infrastructure builders, work communications infrastructure builder in the market. We focus on this underlying connectivity, primarily for the antennas. We have nearly 5,000 street-side antennas under contract, nearly 2,000 built today in just the New York City. And that's all on a new technology that Cliff had mentioned. He talked about front-haul networking. Front-haul network is a network that reaches out and touches antenna locations and brings you back to baseband and creates baseband processing in the neighborhood. I like to characterize it as a network of neighborhood networks where there's a colo in the neighborhood, front-haul out to the antenna, and you pick up the RF signal, you get back to the colo, and then we go back to traditional networks. The legacy networks that have been built for the 20 years, the S20 years are great for that colo to core connectivity, but they're not great for that antenna connectivity. So that's the new opportunity. 5G is driving the bulk of the opportunity in the space from my perspective, certainly in large urban markets like New York. Great. Okay. Another question I have here is about the build-in versus buy. Verizon, as you all know, has tended to build-it-themselves approach, but obviously they're going to still use other suppliers, like the three of you. So how will decisions by them and other wireless operators affect the overall dock market, especially as we look at 5G? Mark, we'll start with you. Man, there's been obviously a lot in the marketplace about Verizon wanting to go with a loan, but a lot of ways going alone can be awful only in the sense that Verizon has a large provider with deep pockets and they have the time to do it, but to get the scale they need and the speed to deploy that, I really think that Verizon at some point will look at it and say, hey, is it cheaper for me and faster for me to lease a network tomorrow morning from someone else, or is it easier to go build it? I think in a lot of the markets, because of the pressure with AT&T rolling out 5G, we will see 8th Verizon look to partner with other companies. And you look at just Ericsson today. Ericsson is a very large-scale provider for Verizon. You know, Ericsson also provides services for Sprint and for the other major carriers as well. So I think when you get down to the local market level, it's going to be a really interesting dynamic to see. You may have one contractor, Ericsson, running around and working for several companies and all with competing votes. So I really think that this is why I think they will go alone as much as they can, but there's going to be a trade-off to that. Okay, Ray, how about you? Well, you know, it's interesting. We see this cycle happening all the time and it certainly has happened with, you know, even with WireLine in our market. And the reality is anybody that's serving this wireless market and books and desiccation, yes, they have a backhaul network in place and that's certainly connecting all the CEOs together. They have a Fios network. The problem is the density isn't there in their fiber networks that have enough capacity and they don't have enough accessibility. So they have to build new networks too. And when they start looking at build versus buy, they're going to have to, you know, consider the, you know, think on regional pockets by regional pockets where it makes most sense. In an electric territory where they also have a big Verizon business presence like New York and may make sense to do more on their own than less. But I think it's a mix. And I certainly see the opportunities, the fiber leasing opportunities, even on this stage of this goal quite a while ago, Verizon specifically to self-perform, they're still leasing. And I'm seeing them leasing, you know, every single cycle we go through for full-time leasing in New York City. So I think it's a little both. Okay, Cliff? Yeah, so specifically on Verizon, I think anyone who has a, you know, a large footprint like Verizon or AT&T, you know, they're going to provide for themselves where it makes the most sense. These guys have been doing network for a hundred years and they understand the build process and, you know, look at, they bought or committed to buy $2 billion with the fiber from Corning a year or so ago. They made a big stink out of making that known to the world. So they're going to be building quite a bit of fiber, I would assume, at least probably deploy all that fiber that they're getting from Corning. So, you know, they're smart guys. They've been doing this, it's in their DNA. So for, they'll augment where they need to augment and they'll lease where they need to lease. I don't know how, it will all probably benefit from some of the leasing. I mean, the panelists and Clarion, but at the end of the day, you know, in telecom, no one can do it all. You always have to touch the network. Somebody else's network someplace and that's why we work together. Very true. So what are the challenges you folks are facing today as you roll out new and existing dock fiber installations? Ray, I'll start with you. So, you know, clearly the challenges we have in the market in a dense urban environment like New York City is congestion, right? We're working in a system that has a whole lot of cables and a whole lot of capacity. It just doesn't go to the right place. So we're all rebuilding in a very congested environment. So one of our, that's the most significant challenge we have getting around. So what does that do? That drives costs up. The other challenge we have is we're also doing turnkey sightings and small cell installation and commissioning. And we actually own the infrastructure, the whole heart, the entire heart infrastructure from antenna to sprout all the way down. The carriers bring their own electronics. The challenge there is sighting, right? So you need to, in this case for outdoor, you need pole top locations or street furniture locations to sight stuff. So that is clearly a, you know, challenging environment creates a challenging environment. It's stuff that you have to work around. However, it gives us a great opportunity to add value. So while there may be hurdles for everyone else, we think we've mastered getting around these things. And it's a, I think a strategic opportunity because it is challenging. And we can run, you know, we can stand between the municipality and the carriers and turnkey for the carriers and make it easy for them. Great, yeah, all those exciting issues. Cliff, how about you? I think, you know, challenging-wise, challenges, we're, I think, one of the broader, and we're in the same market as Ray Lachance and Zenfie. And so we see all the congestion challenges and the sighting challenges that he mentioned. But, you know, for us, we're also carriers, carriers delivering access and transport services. So, you know, one of the challenges that kind of irks me the most is that there's this expectation that these prices will be so incredibly cheap. And you just don't know when you're being fed a line.  And then you do the math and you just can't see it. But that's what, there's a lot of, you know, misunderstanding or in the market that, you know, that the pricing is just falling through the floor. But when you have an asset like Fiber, there is a theoretical price limitation to that. It's not like let's services where you can constantly, you know, add more capacity. So in dark Fiber, it's physical infrastructure. Basically, you get down to a point where there's, you know, a baseline costs. So at some point, if you're getting below those costs in the marketplace, that's certainly a challenge. But my biggest gripe is that everyone has this downward price pressure and expectation. Mark, how about you? What do you see? Yeah, I mean, I look at this as more of an industry issue. It is really with the improved economy, building and construction is taking off in a lot of key markets across the country. You've got localities operating infrastructure, sewers, water, roads. If Congress could ever agree on anything that may actually have an infrastructure bill that gets passed sometime in the next couple of years. But the real question is, can localities and cities keep up with permitting and engineering? In some markets, like here, markets in Atlanta, for example, I think it may take you six months to get a permit. So really, you know, and you get down to the small cell deployments as well, approval of poles and attachments, hitting the carriers. All of these things must go through the same groups that are approving permits for office buildings, approving permits for roads. So it's really all these different points are all emerging at the same time. I mean, you've got building access agreements and easements. So really, the carriers and the providers must be very aggressively engaged with the localities, making sure that relationships are very strong and making sure that process does not get in the way. And conversely, we're also seeing, and this probably is across the country as well, the localities know how important small cells are to the carriers. They're becoming much more savvy in what their asks are back to those carriers and what they want to see from themselves as well. So really, it's going forward. Providers must consider all these aspects from permitting and entering terms all the way through build, how long it will take to get the network put in place. Great. Okay. Another kind of question here is, what is the advantage of using Doc Fiber or Lit Fiber? Does it depend on the networking situation of customer need? Cliff, I'll start with you. Yeah, I think it's a use case dependent question to be asked. You know, that involves not only the, you know, what the use is, but the economics when you dive deeper into a use case. So, you know, I think when we, there's a threshold that's been moving along over the years where now it's probably in maybe 10 gig or even 100 gig in some places, you know, on the core networks between the data centers where you may consider going to a lit versus a dark. So, that's the economics. And then on the enterprise side, going out to the buildings, enterprise buildings and the commercial building, which is, you know, that we don't do residential. So, I think that really depends on what the customer wants in that building. So, that's that part of it. Insofar as front hall, you know, I think all the front hall is going to dark fiber back to the edge data center, but it will be lit from the edge data center into the core. So, we're, you know, we're prepared to do both of those. So, I think it's really a question that really depends on the use case. Right. How about you? What are you seeing? Well, that's an interesting question. And we've seen it. We've seen a cycle here, right? In the early 2000s, there were, you know, everyone always stopped with both services from the carriers because it's because it wasn't dark, pervasive dark fiber availability. And frankly, enterprises didn't know how to light it themselves. And we're troubled with it. Then as we moved on, we moved through an environment where there became pervasive dark fiber and there was a lot of optical gears started ending up in enterprise hands and certainly Ethernet speeds increased. And a lot of companies decided they wanted the security, you know, the privacy, the virtually unlimited bandwidth and the total control of the network. So they started taking down dark fiber and lighting it themselves. Then we started, you know, as we moved closer to now, we've seen a shift in the enterprises where it's because of software-defined networking and the ability to dial up your bandwidth really easy with carriers that provide a, you know, a more robust set of lit services that gives you a lot more of those private network feels, feeling that you used to have when you did it yourself. I think we're seeing a lot of deals go to lit services. However, when we move over to this environment, like Cliff mentioned, front-haul technologies, when they're a true front-haul connection where it's baseband processing and separated from an antenna and RF endpoint, the front-haul technologies like SIPRI are really not meant to be lit in switched environments. But when you do small sales with Ethernet interfaces, some of the models will ask for dark fiber because they wanted dedicated control and the option to do, you know, these other front-haul technologies. And then some of the carriers will ask for Ethernet because they're used to bringing a 1-gig ethernet to a macro site and lighting up while a small sale has 100 meg to a 1-gig interface and then typically it's a digital interface. And a lit service works there. So we've seen both and we've seen the same carriers ask for about a lit or dark service to a small sale location. But again, we're seeing less enterprise demand for private networks built on dark fiber and we're seeing a lot of mold demand for dark fiber. Okay, Mark, how about you? Yeah, I agree with what Ray and Cliff are saying about dark fiber use. Dark fiber provides scalability and adaptability and really the end of carrier-dependent speed upgrades like you've seen in Ethernet services which for 5G is critical. But dark fiber tradition is also required a much more savvy customer than other types of network services have. And I think on the wireless side, they have the deep pockets. They also are savvy enough to understand how to run their own networks as content providers have. I think the real thing you start seeing now in the next probably two to three years that has stood back a little bit from dark fiber starts seeing deployment and the network actually being pushed further out because of small sale. It ultimately will reduce the cost and drive more people to it. Lit services will be with us for considerable amount of time in the future but obviously for the higher bandwidth demand dark fiber will be the play. Great. Another question here from me. What will differentiate dark fiber players? Will it be reach, fiber count, experience? Ray, I'll start with you and then I'll go around the horn here. So as I said, we're in the second generation of dark fiber 2.0 generation. The differentiator now is the fiber network serving the traditional large scale enterprise locations in large residential locations and the hybrid fiber networks for cable. That stuff is roughly in place. The new generation of builds are really focused on as Mark and Cliff had said it's this front hall piece, this densification of your fiber network. So higher capacity cables have to be laid along the same routes and many more routes that have been done in the past and they also have to be accessible everywhere and I'll give you a great example. When I'm building up Fifth Avenue right now or up Broadway in New York City, we're building a network that you can access at every single manhole we traverse which is a very different architecture. Our front hall architecture is very different than the legacy networks that were built to support sparse networking. In the analogy, you could look at the legacy networks as the back hall networks and think of those as the highway system and you think of the front hall network as the local system and we interface those two together and we create a whole new highly accessible very high capacity fiber network and when I say high capacity, we're running 1728 cables, we pair these down. Our access cable used to be a 48 fiber cable or 72. The minimum access cable we're putting in place in the streets to get off to serve small cells is 576 fibers. It's pretty big and those trunk cables are now they've grown up to 34 56 cables over the next step that we're seeing that will actually fit in ducts that we're working. That's certainly how we see it. Cliff, how about you? I think my response would be very similar to Ray's so very repetitive but I think that's the challenge of getting out to the edge is really what we're looking at and how do you best serve that and basically the physical constraints of physics in terms of where you place these edge data centers to serve that front hall network and connect to the rest of the world. Great, and Mark? Yeah, I mean basically what Ray and Cliff are saying is right on. Fiber providers right now, you mentioned Fiber Reach Services and Count. It's going to be a combination of all these things that are real successful players. The future for dark fiber will be those that can serve multiple market areas that have on that services and providing for customers. You have to find significant fiber footprint with routing options and of course large fiber and also indoor metro areas as well. Experience is going to be critical. It has to be in this game for a long period of time. You can't walk in and think you'll do dark fiber and suddenly step away from it. This ability to provide I think both pure dark fiber as well as managed network. Some customers want only dark fiber. Some customers say I want dark fiber but I want you to manage that network. It's really offered multiple types of services. Having that local presence again is very important but also pricing. The ability to deliver bandwidth on time, how will you do that and the providers that can do that quickly and schedule for the end user customer as well. Great. I think we've got time for a couple of audience and a few more questions that I'll throw out here. One question I have is do you see more consolidation of the broader dark fiber market and will new players emerge? I mean certainly, I mean Zeo was a new player at one point and multiple acquisitions and so Zenfie and everyone here but I guess I'll start with Ray and kind of go along from there. I mean do you guys see more consolidation of new players on the status quo that status quo is I guess I see both happening. I certainly see the opportunity for new players to join the market today because again the legacy players haven't built the network that needs to be built yet and there are companies like Zenfie that are going to go out in front run this. We've been talking about this since 2012-13. We started the company in 2014. Another network had to be built. So we went out and started building Frontball well before it was the Vogue we even talked about Frontball. We think that can happen all over the country in major metropolitan areas and there's a great M&A opportunity too because the legacy players rather than building it all themselves will look around the market and acquire those complementary networks that are a perfect snap to enable them to support this mobile densification wave and clearly we just announced a merger with Cross River Fiber out in New Jersey and we're very excited because that's a great compliment to what we've been doing in the New York market we want to bring our story for mobile densification infrastructure play to New Jersey across their network and leverage that and it also gives us the opportunity to take our asset within the New York market which is a very dense very pervasive fiber network with a lot of new products upon it so when you have complementary companies like this I think you'll see a lot of M&A happening to help solve this problem because ultimately the infrastructure players the large terror companies are going to they have the relationships in the mobile market they're going to dominate that space they're going to need these other players as part of the portfolio so I think there's a great opportunity for that to happen and Mark I'll get back to you now Zeo is up to what did you say 40 acquisitions over the past 11 years I've lost track myself but yeah, what do you think after being in this business for 25 years I think everyone can agree too that there are no surprises left every day something new happens especially when it comes to mergers and acquisitions every time we hear there's no more regional players left new ones pop up because they're growing organically inside of marketplaces but again in this dark fiber marketplace it's going to be scaled and really drive business so I think you're going to continue to see those going forward in the future and Cliff to you so I've been in this game for a long time and everybody's always asking when is the consolidation going to stop it just never does so it's the one continuum of the sector I think we're all kind of you know in the network effects which basically is you know the bigger the network is the the more value it has in terms of the paraphrase I think that drives the backdrop for consolidation and I think 5G and densification in IoT is going to bring a whole set of new players that may add different aspects to that which will be at the end of the day consolidated by someone like Azeo for example just think about what's going to be happening in those edge data scenarios and the specialized services software that's going to be there so I think it's just going to keep broadening out and I think 5G is really going to push it yet another wave of consolidation once 5G comes into a full effect in the marketplace great well thanks for all that great perspective about out of time but thanks to my three speakers Ray and Mark and thanks to JSA for the great opportunity to I'll hand it back to you Ray Sean and yes thank you again our all-star panelist Cliff King co-CEO Clarion Networks Mark Serjak, Vice President of Dark Fiber Services, A.O. and Ray Lechance of course CEO of Zenfine Networks and of course thank you Sean our guest moderator and the authority on dark fiber news in our industry this wraps up latest virtual CEO roundtable thanks for joining us and please come and meet us in person June 19th at the 20th telecom exchange in Hoboken New Jersey where I have to mention Cliff and Ray will be back at it again another scene it will be necessary infrastructure for wireless next-gen services so come and see them also if West Coast is your interest join us November 6th to 7th telecom exchange in LA to feature your C level here next time you are at jsa.net and thanks for tuning in to JSA TV the newsroom for tech and telecom professionals and JSA radio your voice for tech and telecom on IHOT radio until next time happy networking


Hey everybody, welcome back to my Star Wars channel. My name is David and today we're going to look at the latest merchandise that's in World of Disney. We would be honored if you would join us. Hey everybody, welcome back to the channel. Thank you so much for being here. I hope you like Star Wars because that is what this channel is all about. Well, I've done some Indiana Jones stuff, of course, and some other fandom, but mostly, mostly this is about Star Wars, right? Star Wars. My family and I, we just got back from a recent trip to California, where we went to Disneyland. Hadn't been to Disneyland in a while. We, we end up going to World more, but hadn't been to California, so I thought, you know, let's go check it out. Hadn't seen their Galaxy's Edge. Hadn't seen some of the new things there. Of course, the last day we were there had to stop by World of Disney and see what all the Star Wars merch was. I wanted you to see it as well. Hey, you like my Halloween shirt? I know Halloween just passed, but this is the Halloween shirt I got. Not, not, not at World of Disney. I got this on Amazon, but got the, got the FET right there in the center. So I had to combine, do a little bit of a mashup, right? Halloween Boba Fett. Of course. Why not? I love, like I said, I love all things Star Wars. I love all things Boba Fett. There's no, there's no hate or complaining on this channel. Nothing but love. So like I said, last day went into World of Disney. Wanted to see all the different Star Wars merch, kind of walk around with the camera, give you guys a tour. It's not going to be slow. It's not going to be slow and long and drawn out. I'm not going to pick each item up and spin it around for you and show you the price tag and you know, that's, that's not what I did. I went in, filmed some stuff and got out of there. So I think it's a tight three minutes, a tight three minutes. We're going to walk around the whole store and I'm going to show you all the Star Wars stuff and then I'll, I'll show you what I ended up buying. All right, let's go. So we are in the World of Disney Store in downtown Disney. And as you can see, it's October 2023. They're all decked out for Halloween. And of course, they're going to have lots of Halloween things here, right? There's costumes and backpacks, but we're here to look at Star Wars. So right over here in the plus section, we've got some Yodas and some Ewoks and some Porgs. And we're going to go over to the pin section now. There's always new pins. Every single time I come here, there's always new pins. You're never going to find the old pin. So if you like a pin and you see it, you should get it. These are the new watches that they have for magic bands for the entry. And of course, they've got Star Wars magic bands. You know, if you want to soak a magic band, you can pick one up. These are bath toys. They got all the Star Wars characters. These were here way back when my kids were little. So they were a lot of fun. And of course, we've got the Star Wars backpacks. We've got more plushes. We've got Grogu in there. Grogu is a big seller. Lots of Darth Vader stuff this year, I noticed. So we're going to show you this, but then there's a whole other Darth Vader section. And then Ashley Eckstein's got her whole Ahsoka brand here because the show just came out. So of course, there's going to be backpacks and clothes and costumes, lightsabers. If you're into Ahsoka, I mean, or the show, you know, because here's Chopper. There's a whole bunch of Ahsoka stuff here now. Here's Blue Milk, right? Because they serve Blue Milk over in Galaxy's Edge. And then there's the Bantha Burger uniform, which my son was totally into. He really wanted this jacket. I couldn't believe how expensive the jacket was. And I knew like, you're never going to wear this bud. So we didn't pick it up. But it always seems like the Star Wars section gets a little bigger. There always seems to be more stuff. And I think that's just because, you know, Star Wars fans, we pretty much buy anything. So regardless of what your feelings are about Disney, Star Wars fans, we love merch. So there's a lot of toys here even to pretty much the same kind of toys you'd find at the, you know, at Amazon or the toy store, but still nice to see all together. These I hadn't seen before, the Four Spirit 12 inch action figures. And there was this horn. I think this was like $13. It's like two pieces of molded plastic glued together. I couldn't believe how expensive it was. Some Imperial officer stuff. There's a little Star Wars display back there with some Princess Leia shirts. And of course, here's the Darth Vader stuff. So Darth Vader ears, Darth Vader sweater, Darth Vader backpack, Darth Vader caps. So big character to find some merch about. And then we've got some jewelry back in here. So you can wear, you know, Star Wars in your ears as well. And then Christmas ornaments. So my wife and kids wanted me to get this one, but I thought it was way too big for my tree. So I ended up going with this one because it's more classic, more retro. It's more my style. All right, that's everything. That's the door. And there it is. There is my one purchase that I made classic, right? Classic Star Wars. I have a Star Wars Christmas tree in the house and started off a really small tree with just a handful of ornaments. And then it got bigger and then bigger. I think I'm on my third size or at least my second size. And every year I buy one or two or three ornaments, right? I keep it small. And I always try to look for something maybe a little different than I've purchased in the past, just so that there's a variety, right? And I have representations from all the films, you know, every single kind of generation that has existed. And there's some classic pieces on there. And of course, there's some new pieces and I got spaceships. So I thought this was the right shape, right size, and of course, first movie, right? First movie. So got to represent. Hey, thanks for hanging out with me guys. Thanks for being a part of this channel. If you're here, hit like, subscribe, and follow. That really helps me out a lot. And may the Force be with you. I'll see you next time. Bye.


Hey, YouTube video right up for ICTF 2018. We actually just made it to third place. We solved secret recipe Tied for seconds. So that's kind of neat. Just wanted to showcase that. Anyway, let's jump into real good stuff This is the third web challenge for the competition And I don't know how to pronounce this name because I don't speak Icelandic But whatever it the challenge from here says Eve wants to make the hottest new website for job searching on the market and avid PHP developer she decided to use the hottest new framework Laravel I don't think she knew how to deploy websites at this scale However, and it gives us a length we can work with and navigate to so let's go check it out in a new tab And it says okay. Welcome This is a site neat. We can view the source look at stuff if we particularly wanted to It looks like there's a lot of stuff going on that is supposedly with the Laravel PHP debug bar We can totally take a look at this if we want to I poked around and looked at some of the request variables and The views see if I could reach any of them, etc. Etc. I'm trying to access some variables But it didn't end up actually getting me anywhere While I was poking but it was kind of neat to see. This is the first time I'd ever actually Seen this PHP debug bar or anything kind of with Laravel, I don't know testing and stuff like that Cool so if you poke around you can actually go to other web pages up here this navigation bar has the home page Which we're at and the jobs which looks like it just gives us a listing of different kinds of jobs So if we were to click one software developer looks like we could potentially apply to it if we were to give it Like information so blah blah blah blah blah We hit apply here, but nothing else happens So if we wanted to go back home or if you've been jobs again get the back button Whatever you want to do you could do this over and over again and explore some of them But none of them particularly do anything so at one point while I was poking around I kind of just stumbled upon this and it sounds like at least through conversation in the discord and through other people That this is just kind of what happened with them as well They stumbled upon it and it happened on accident where let's say you were looking at a job And you went back to click on jobs and it would move you to Jobs jobs in the URL and suddenly you would be popped at a Like stacked like trace back an error message an exception thrown of for Laravel This is the debug that you'd normally see if you found an error in Laravel programming So you can see okay, we've got the flag right here. I CTF you found a bug. That's pretty neat fine Interesting thing though. What's actually happening is that okay? It must be getting these aliases from other functions that may be reading it from a file or something But so since we could normally just view jobs very very easily by clicking on the link if we were to view the jobs page Or click on it. Wow already at the jobs Like a specific job Input page like a apply page for whatever reason. Okay, the routes got messed up. We jump in we get an error and I CTF you found a bug sending what happened if rather than a job data that we had seen or known Weren't there like if I went to you, please subscribe. Obviously we get the error message in the debug thing We could probably scrape this out if we particularly wanted to Let's make this challenge like third web If I could curl this maybe Gross whatever Let's grep for only I CTF and looks like we find a couple hits. Let's just get the first one and Let's make this quiet Am I not doing that right when I say curl tech you maybe? Okay, it looks like it is curl tech s for silent and I instead one head the first I just want the first occurrence not all of them because I was getting the very very last one that had a very long line So let's put that in our flag dot text and we can certainly just copy this and make it our get flag script So just kind of an easy regular expression steal the flag out just fine Make that do its thing and Then we are good. Perfect. We can mark that challenge as complete and we're done. So Just poking around just exploring Doing a little doing a little reconnaissance in our own homework quick shout out to the people that support me on patreon Thank you guys so much. 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Live from Boston, Massachusetts, it's theCUBE, covering Red Hat Summit 2019, brought to you by Red Hat. Welcome back to our coverage here on theCUBE of Red Hat Summit 2019. We're live in Boston right now and I'm joined by a couple of award-winning professionals and we're looking forward to hearing what their story is because it's fascinating on both fronts and also by Delyssa Alexander who has a great job titled Red Hat. Chief People Officer. I love that title. Delyssa, thanks for joining us. Yeah, thanks for having us. Also with us, Lamore Freed, who is the founder and lead engineer of Adafruit and Solana Garg, who is an undergrad student, third year student at the LNM Institute of Technology and that's in Jaipur, India. So Solani, glad to have you with us and Lamore, a pleasure as well. Thank you.  You've got things going on there, right? I'm just glowing, we're going to get all into that. We'll get into that later. Let's talk about the award. There are two women in open source. Our winners this year are the community side, Lamore won on the academic side, Solani won. So talk about the awards, if you would Delyssa, the process and really what you're trying to do with recognizing these kinds of achievements. Well, this is our fifth year for the women in open source awards. So after this period of time, I can tell you what we want to do is make an impact by really fostering more diverse communities, particularly gender diversity in open source. And so that's the whole goal. Five years into it, what we've discovered is that when you really focus on diversity and inclusion within a community, you actually can make an impact. And the thing that's so exciting this year is that our award winners are really evidence of that. So talk about the two categories then, if you would please. Community on one side, academics on the other. It appears to be pretty clear cut what you're hoping to achieve there by recognizing an active contributor and then somebody who is in the wings and waiting for their moment. But go ahead and fill in a little bit about Lamore and then Solani too about why they're here. Why am I here? Why are they here? Yes, well, what we are trying to do is create role models for women and girls who would like to participate in technology but perhaps are not sure that that's the way that they can go and they don't see people or like them so there are less tendency to join into those type of communities. So with the community award winner, we're looking at a professional who's been contributing to open source for a period of time. And with our academic winner, we're looking to spur more people who are in university to think about it. And of course, the big idea is you'll all be looking at these women as people that will inspire you to potentially do more things with open source and more things with technology. We've been hearing for many, many years that we definitely need to have more gender diversity in tech in general and in open source. And Red Hat has kind of uniquely situated to focus on the open source community. And so with our role as the open source leader, we really feel like we need to make that commitment and to be able to foster that. What makes perfect sense? Obviously a great perfect sense. Solani, if it would, let's talk first about your work. You've been involved in open source for quite some time. I know you have a lot of really interesting projects that you're working on right now. We'll get to that in a bit. But just talk about, I guess, the attraction for you in terms of the open source and really kind of where that came from originally through your interest in STEM education. Okay, so when I first came to college, I was really encouraged to contribute into open source by my seniors. They were already selected in programs like Google Summer of Code, Outreach, and all. So they actually felt empowered by open source so they encouraged me to join it too. I tried open source and I feel really like I'm a part of something bigger than myself. And I was helped greatly by my seniors. So I feel it's my duty to give it back to my juniors and to help them when they need it so that they can do wonders, yeah. Great, and Lamor for you. I know you founded the company, 100% female-owned. I'm like, yeah, 100% me. Yeah, right. 100% you. It's my fault. Yeah, right.  No, yeah, actually that's our big thing. We want to change, get blamed to get credit. Right, it's all about credit. More positive. So 100 employees, is that right? 100, 150, yep. Okay, talk a little bit about kind of the origin, the genesis of the company and where that came from and in your connection on the open source side. Well, yeah, so I grew up actually in Boston. So I've lived here a very long time. You said like a block from here, two blocks from here. I used to live actually at Sintel Station nearby. I used to live by my group in Brookline. So Boston has a very strong open source community. FSF is here and that's kind of the origins of a lot of this free software and open source software community. And when I went to school, I ended up going to MIT and open source software and open source technology is kind of part of the genetics there. There actually isn't even this thinking that you wouldn't do it. It's just kind of by default, people write code, you open source it, you release it, there's a culture of collaboration, scientists, engineers, students, researchers all working together and sharing code. And when I was in school, so I had this like thesis and I really didn't want to do it. And so instead I started building like MP3 players and video games, taking all the engineering that I was studying and like not doing the work I was supposed to be doing, but instead of having fun and building cool electronic parts and I would publish these projects online. I had like a Media Lab webpage and I would publish, you know, here's all the chips and the schematics and the layout and people had sort of started coming up with the idea of open source hardware. Let's take the philosophy of open source software where you release a source code but in here you release CAD files, firmware, layouts, 3D models and so I did that and I was publishing, you know, here's how you make this like light break toy for Burning Man or an MP3 player or a cell phone jammer, all these fun projects and people would end up contacting me and saying, hey, these are really cool projects. I would like to build this project myself but unlike software where you just like type in like make config and compile and all that, you actually have to buy parts you have to get these physical things and so they said, you know, could you sell me a kit, like a box where I would get it and take it home and be able to build it and I was totally like, no, I'm busy, I have to like not work this thesis. That's not what I do. But eventually I did work this thesis and then I was really stuck because I'm like, now what do I do? So I ended up selling kits so I sold the synthesizer kits and such and I did our fellowship and stuff and then eventually it was kind of like this is, I was just doing, you know, it's you kind of fall into business by accident because if you knew what you're getting into you wouldn't do it in my opinion. So I ended up sort of developing that and that was 13 years ago and now we have 4,000 products in the store. You know. 4,000 products.  Yeah, all right. It's a lot. Yeah, who's doing that inventory? Well, we have a pretty intense inventory system that I love to talk to you about but it's kind of boring. I'll bet you do. I was reading something about and Circuit Playground Express. Yes. Is that right? So is that what this is all about? Okay. See, I knew you'd ask and that's why I wore this. So it's this kind of an exploratory circuit board of. Yeah, it's open source, open source hardware, open source software and firmware and we had a lot of parents and teachers and educators and camp counselors come to us and say, we want to teach physical computing. We want to teach coding but with physical hardware because we all will all this here coders, right? No, I don't know. But eventually you're like, I'm typing on a screen and you want to take that and you want to make it physical. You want to bring it out into the world whether it's a wearable or a Cosplay or assistive technology or you want to make video games that are like physical video games. And the problem that teachers had were the classrooms, a lot of these classrooms, they don't have a lot of money. So they said it has to be very low cost. It has to be durable because these kids are like chewing on it and stuff.  It also has to work on any computer, even extremely old computers because a lot of these schools, they only have a budget every seven years to buy laptops. And so this actually becomes a very difficult, technological problem of how do you design something that's $20 but can teach physical computing to anybody from kids who are not even good at typing all the way to college students who want to implement fast Fourier transforms. And so we designed this hardware in its open source and it's cool because people are like remixing it and making improvements to it. It's open source, circuit playground and I'm wearing it and it's glowing. And I don't know, it's fun. It's got LEDs and sensors and you can just allot a clip to it and make projects. And we've got schools from around the world learning how to code. And I think it's a much more fun experience than just typing at a computer. Absolutely, yeah. So on your side of the fence, so obviously still in your education years, if you will, not that we ever stopped learning, but formally right now, but you're involved among the many projects that you've been involved with, a smart vehicle project, right? So tell us a little bit about that and how open source is coming to play with what you're looking at in terms of, I assume, traffic and congestion and flows and those kinds of things. So what we are working on is basically we'll be fitting cameras and Raspberry Pies on buses, college buses, and then they'll detect lane detection and traffic signal violation and will report the assigned people if there's any breakage of law or any breakage of traffic signals. So that's what basically we are working on and how open source comes into the play is that we actually knew nothing about open CV and all the technology that is before all this. So I looked up some open source projects that have already developed some of all this and I got to learn a lot about how things actually work on the code base side. So that's how open source actually helped me to make this project. And ultimately, who do you report to on that or how's that data going to become actionable or I assume it can be at some point, right? I mean, who's your partner in that or who is the agency or the body that can most benefit from that? Yes, currently this is an academic project and a classmate of mine has been working with me and we are working under a faculty mentor. And so basically we have decided to expand this project and to use it as a government project and the authorities will be reporting to whenever there's a signal or law breakage is that the traffic police, the traffic police department will be notifying them in case of any signal breakage. So if there's an uptick in speeding or red light running in Jaipur, we know who to blame, right? Yeah, we're going to run the report. Solani, why'd you do that to them, right? All right, ladies if you would and I'm going to end with Delisa but I'd like to hear your thoughts about each other. Just about as you look at the role of women in tech and the diversity that Red Hat is trying to encourage Lamora, what have you seen in Solani here over the last day, day and a half that maybe you think will leave a lasting impression on you? I love Solani's energy and her passion and I can just, she has this emanated strength. I can just tell that nothing stops her from achieving what she wants. Like she wants to like do this Raspberry Pi traffic camera, she's just going to figure out what it takes to solve that problem. She's going to use open source software, hardware, whatever it takes and she's just going to achieve her goal. I totally sense that from her from the last few days we've been together. That's great. Thank you. All right, and Solani, your turn for Lamora. Well, what I have done is just a fraction of what she has been doing. She's like inspiration. I look up to her and I also, I mean, I hope I'll start my own company someday and she's really a role model and an inspiration for me, so yeah. I think you've got a pretty good mentor there in that respect. And then, Delissa, when you see young ladies like this who are, their achievements are so impressive in their respects. What does that say to you about Red Hat, the direction of the program and then the impact on young women that you're having? Well, the program has gotten so much more participation. So many people, 8,000 people actually voted to select our winners and all of our finalists were so impressive. We have major contributors to open source and so, along with our finalists, our winners are people who are just role models and I am just so impressed with them and I think that every year we're learning something different from each of the winners and so as they round out into a community, the things that they will be able to mentor people on will just be exponentially increasing. So it's really exciting. Fantastic. Well, thank you all. Thank the three of you, but ladies, congratulations on your recognition, your accomplishments, well done. Say travels back to New York and back to India as well and we look forward to hearing more about what you're up to down the road. I think this is not the last we're going to hear from the two of you. Thank you for having us. Thank you so much. And thank you for calling me a young lady. Yeah, absolutely, ladies. I mean, look at the source. Open source, you might say. That was awful. All right, back with more Red Hat Summit, 2019, we're live here on theCUBE in Boston.