Can that be fun? Am I missing something? Yeah, that sounds fun to me. It's kind of like that's how I've lived my life, you know, like if a big storm comes, you don't see these rocks running anywhere, they're going to face whatever blows through here. And they've always done that because they're very stationary, very strong and a great symbol of strength and stationary. So like if I'm dealing with thoughts and concepts of people and relationships or whatever and I've got this craziness going on in my mind, I would much rather stay there and face it than to run from it. I think my synonym for this entire cosmos is distractionville. You know, everyone who, every will say a soul comes to time and space and they've landed in distractionville. Now you've actually hit a part of distractionville called hippieville, which is, it's pretty good. It's a good place to face things because it's, because the vibe around here is face it and let it see the nothingness of it by facing it. So there's not any kind of sadistic or, you know, narcissistic kind of thing that's involved in this facing it. It's actually, you know, letting the darkness come up. And that's really what this whole vibe of this is. It's not, we're not saying have fun to distract away from discomfort. We're saying that if you don't distract away from discomfort, it will dissolve and disappear. And you can sit there in the fever. I mean, if you came here with a fever, I would find a nice spot, maybe a hammock or a blanket or whatever and have a good lie down there and sweat and, you know, make your own little sweat lodge, you know, and everything. And then you're so great when you come out of it, when you come out of the fever or the sweating and this and that, there's a sense of freedom, there's a sense of relief. And you actually feel good that you faced it. You didn't run from it. You didn't run to medications. You didn't run to drugs. You didn't run to even distractions of entertainment or stimulation and all the things that this world offers. Distraction, though, offers a lot of distractions.  And I have fun with it now, but before, when my mind wasn't trained, it would have been like just a temptation and allure to try something, but it's not there anymore. But I think that's, it sounds like fun to me. That's my kind of fun, actually. I love facing down the darkness, a light versus the darkness, tonight, all the time in the hammock. In the hammock. It's the hammock. It's the unstoppable light in the right corner and in the left corner, the devastating darkness. Here they come. They're in the ring together. Oh, it's over. Ding, ding, ding. The darkness was down. I didn't even see it coming. It was unbelievable. One second. The match is over. You know, because, why? Because you have the light. You know the light is there.  Any darkness that would come up. So I'm a big fan of facing things. I think, I called allowance. You would just allow the fever to arise and you allow the discomfort to arise. And I say, I spent, I really spent the majority of my life doing that, allowing, allowing the darkness to come up. Olly, olly, income free. Anything is down there. Come on. Whatever is there. I'm not afraid of you. Come on. I can see you. Come on. You just invite, invite, invite. The light is so strong it can handle anything. A boogie man. Come on boogie man. Come on. We can, you know, there's nothing, Freddie Krueger, nothing, you know. I got to the point of my mind training where the spirit was taking me to like Nightmare on Elm Street and Psycho and Silence of the Lands and everything. And I could actually laugh at these movies, you know. I would be like just laughing at the special effects and everything. I really, I was actually not really, couldn't really get into them at some point. Because I had let the darkness in my mind come to the light and therefore you can just laugh at anything. I always tell this story. The parable of my friend Lisa, who you'll meet, she'll be our emcee tonight. I told this parable pretty recently, but she was like, she was, she had a business in Mount Joy. She literally had a business in Mount Joy, Pennsylvania. Abundant nursing. And at one point she was, she was sitting in her car and she heard this explosion and she thought it was like a bomb went over something and she started looking up at the buildings and seeing, and then it was boom, another explosion, then boom, boom, boom, boom. It was like a series of explosions and she's looking at her, like she's, it's almost like something's hit something or there's some kind of explosions going in the buildings or whatever. And she's in such a joyful state though.  Those weren't explosions. Those were cars hitting her car and then the car behind hitting and then the truck behind hitting. It's like seven cars piled up and she's popping out. She's in joy. She's in the miracle and she, she goes out and she, she goes out and the people start getting out of their cars that are all in this pile up collision.   And then what follows that is she's, and the woman's like, and then she says, it's all our thought, man. It's all our thought. Everything's our thought. It's our thought. I'm telling you, it's all our thought. And the woman goes, you're right. Come to think of it. I just left my house and I was asking my husband if I could use our new car and he said, no, take the clunker.  I wish I didn't have this car. I wish I could not have this car. And she's like, you're right. She joins Lisa and it's a miracle. She's like, you are absolutely right. Those were my thoughts, exactly my thoughts. I was thinking, I don't like this car. I don't want to be in this car and believe me, that car was gone. Does it smashed into Lisa's and it was crunched from behind.  And then all the other people got out of their cars and they got swept up just like in grandpa's house. They got swept up in the vibe of the miracle. It didn't even matter if there was crunched cars and metal and glass. It was like, that was just peripheral stuff. They were into the joy. And then the police officer showed up and you got seven people laughing and the cop shows up and cannot help but smile. Like what's going on here? I can see these crunched cars and these seven happy people. It is all thoughts. There is nothing in this world that causes you to be upset. It's all reflection of thought. And if you can start to really feel the strength of that idea, then you can say that if you would give your life over to the true authentic fun, to the true authentic happiness, there's nothing in this world that could stop you from being happy. Nothing. Nothing would have a chance. And I mean, my whole life has just been a lot of parables about me seeing that in action over and over and over that nothing is really capable of taking your fun away from you. Nothing.


In this video, I will be pitting the best value Yu-Gi-Oh! sets against each other. What's up, guys? We're back with another epic opening video, and as I said, some of the best value sets will be pitted against each other in this video. You might be asking, what are the best value Yu-Gi-Oh! sets? It's a question that I get quite a lot. What set should I open and actually get a lot of my money back? Well, two of them are here today. But before that, we have a giveaway. I'll be giving away these three cards, Invader of Darkness Secret Rare from 2017, 25th Anniversary Trihorn, and then an original 2003 XYZ Dragon Cannon from the tin. Just like the video, be subscribed, turn on notifications, let me know down below. Which is the best value set in your opinion? Maybe it could be one of these two, or do you have another idea that you think is better value? Have you ever won in some first edition Metal Raiders cards in your collection? Well, I have good news. Thursday, June 15th, I will be breaking a first edition Metal Raiders box live on what not. Each pack will be sold live, so you'll have a chance to buy a pack, get all the cards pulled inside, maybe even the Gate Guardian. Simply click my link down below. You get $15 for free on your first purchase, so you can get $15 off your pack. Go into the app, search my name Ruxen34, find my live show for this June 15th and bookmark it. This auction will consist not only of the first edition Metal Raiders box, but will also have some amazing things on the buy it now tab, as well as some insane giveaways. So if you guys want to participate in this awesome Metal Raiders box break, make sure to check out my live stream on the 15th, 5pm central. I hope to see you guys there. All right, time to reveal which two great value sets. It's not great value as in Walmart, but as great value as in when you open them, you get a lot of value out of them. We have something we've opened many times, Legendary Collection 2. And in this one, we have not one, but we have two Legendary Collection 2 to be open. And the reason for this is they equal about the same value as the other product that we're going to open. The second product we have is a gold set, premium gold, infinite gold. So this specific set, I don't actually know how well this is going to stack up, but almost all gold sets seem to pull a lot of value out of them, because there's so many nice cards that are like two and three dollars. We are going to be pitting these two against each other. This is about 200 bucks. Those are about 100 each. So it adds out to about 200 per, you know, product side. We will have a price counter on the screen and you'll see at the end which one pulled more value. I'm going to open these up off camera real quick, because it takes forever to open up this kind of stuff and get to the packs. All right. So we have our 10 Legendary Collection GX packs, Dual Academy Years. Then we have our two promos, which are going to be about 20 bucks total, adding on to our value. So GX is immediately ahead. Then we have five mini boxes of premium gold, infinite gold. I didn't pull it out of the mini box because, you know, the part of the presentation is just pretty awesome. So we're going to start off with premium gold, infinite gold, because there actually are more packs here. There's three per mini box or something like that. There's only 10 of Legendary Collection 2. We're only opening 25 packs today, but they're all pretty big value. And that's part of this little experiment we're doing here. Are these some of the best value sets? We might go on a little hunt to find the best value set ever. Who knows? If you guys like this, we'll try it again. All right. Let's do three premium gold, infinite gold. I think this is the one we opened recently as Maxi, right? Maybe that's a different one. I can't remember. There's so many different gold sets. We have number 61, Volcanosaurus or Volkosaurus. We'll drop all we have Spell Shattering Arrow. I don't think this is the Maxi one. Junk Haribo. Wow, that looks incredible. Check out that lighting. 4K a little bit. New cameras, guys. A little uploading in 4K. It makes it look good. I mean, it looks good anyway, but you guys can see it better now. All right. SCARM is a pretty good card. There's some good stuff in these premium golds so far. So we need to open about 1.5 premium golds per Legendary Collections. Let's see which can win. Castile. It's going to be, I think, a tough task for the gold. Wow. These look really good. You're up to a strap hole. Crazy Garden. Do you guys remember that? Shared Ride. Also pretty cool. We got a King's Consonance. And we have, this is a Virgil. This is a Burning Abyss card. Very, very nice. And now it's time to attend a little Legendary Collection, too. Let's see what we can do with a Legendary Collection, too. All right. Little rhyming going on. We have Neospatian Aqua Dolphin. Six Emery I2. We got Clay Charts. That's not a super in this set. Rampart Blaster is a super. There's something going on with our lighting today. I don't know what it is, but it needs to be like this every time because this looks really subtle and awesome. Necro Gardener. Not an incredible card. I think it's under a dollar. Infernal Sniper. Not also that good. Oh, Loneos. This is a crazy rare. I think it's like $7. So that will save us because that was not a great pack until then. Quite the opening so far. We've already got some value. I think GX has a decent lead because they have that $20 promo kickoff there. We'll see if Premium Gold can catch up at this Premium, right? Yeah, Infinite Gold. We have the Master Paladin. Grand Horn of Heaven. I really like these gold secrets right now. They're looking great. Mistake and Arrest. Pretty crazy card. We have a Magical King Moonstar. Okay. And then we have another Burning Abyss card. The problem with these is you can't read the names.  I don't know what they say unless I know the card off the artwork. Okay. And since it's 1.5 packs for every mega pack, it's two to three. That should be perfect. Here we go. I think it's two from the back. I'm going to do that. We have Six Emery. Come on. Hero Spirit. Clock Tower of Prison. Very nice. Six Emery Yikes. You have Evil Hero Inferno. That's a beautiful super. Banisher of the Radiance Secret Rare. Awesome. Light and Dragon. Not that great. And then we have Crystal Beacon. Okay. So yeah. Two from the back worked. I think three probably doesn't work. So we're not going to do that. Second, Premium Gold Infinite Gold Mini Box. Let's get this thing open. The first box was kind of a dud. It wasn't great. I feel like this is the set where it's a lot of under $10 cards, but like almost every gold rare is worth a dollar. But there's not a lot of big ones. Okay. Premium Gold. Inside we have three more Premium Gold packs. Very cool. So let's see what we can get. We have Red Eyes Flare Metal. Yeah. This is the set because I think this is one of the better cards. It's like six bucks. It was like in the top five cards, I think. So Cosmall Dark Destroyer. Cosmo. I could know all on that. But this is a really nice card as well. Very strong for Cosmo. Not that they're good anymore, but Shared Ride has been in every single pack. I'm just going to note that. Magic Queen Moon Star was in the last pack as well. And then we have a, I don't even know what to say, the Libic. That's an interesting name there. Not bad. Not bad. We did get the Red Eyes Flare Metal. That's pretty solid. We're going to need something better than that. This is probably Farfus' favorite set though. Look at all these Burning Abyss cards. We have the Black Rose Dragon. That's got to be a decent card in Gold. That actually looks pretty solid. Cosmo Forerunner. Little Forerunner Cosmo Action. We got Mistake and Arrest. Every pack so far. Been insane. Number 38, Hope Harbinger. This was probably actually a lot more until it got the reprint recently. It was probably actually really expensive. And then Dante. Travel of the Burning Abyss. I do know this Burning Abyss card. It's too classic not to. All right. Not a bad pack right there. Legendary Collection 2. Up next. Let's see what we can do. We did two from the back last time. Let's see if we can pull some crazy secret rares. Let's go. We got Dunker. We got Hero Mask. Crystal Beast. Amber Mammoth. Hero Heart. Venominin. The King of Poison and Snake. Super Rare. We got Elemental Hero Avi and Alternate Art. I always get Avi. And it's always the Alternate Art. We get Hydra Get-On. Not crazy. Glad it was a return. Okay. Yeah. So as I said. Three from the back would not have worked there. We would have spoiled one of them. Which I guess would technically be the rare. But premium gold, infinite gold. Here we go. We have Daigusto Emeril. See just a lot of solid cards in here. That's a nice card. Deep Dark Trapple. Might have gone up with the Trap Tricks. I don't know if that's a very good one though. We got Mistake. Not Mistake and Arrest. We finally didn't get it. The Junk Changers Secret Gold Rare. We have Scarm. Metal Branch of the Burning Abyss. That's definitely a solid one as well. It's not like even foil on like the artwork. I can't even tell. I don't think there is. All right. One more. Legendary Collection 2. We're getting down too. We got like six packs left. Legendary Collection 2. We got nine left. For premium gold it seems. Crystal Beast Cobalt Eagle. Gateway of the Six. Elemental Rear Mirror. Thunder King Ryo. Now that's like 10 bucks. That's a big one for GX. Okay. All right. Just Justice. We got Plasma Super Rare. You Bell. The Ultimate Nightmare. Probably worth a little bit. And Phenomenon. Okay. This Phenomenaga is not worth a lot unfortunately. Even though it is a really cool card. Next. Premium Gold Mini Box. These look so nice. I do love the presentation of these. They're also not as big as like the Maximum Golds. The Maximum Golds. They decided they want them to be like 100 feet long. So I'm glad that they didn't do that. Okay. Premium Gold. Let's get them out. Pretty cool looking packs. Pretty cool looking mini box. Now let's see if we can get some pretty cool looking cards. I don't like how they're sideways though. It's kind of weird. I mean I don't dislike it. It's a little weird though when you turn the pack and it's like pointing the wrong way. Castile. We have Ice Hand. Pretty cool card. Mistake and Rest. Who would have thought? Number 84. Pain Gainer. And we have the Time Traveler and the Burning Abyss. The Traveler. Not Time Traveler. Okay. Second pack. Let's go. Little Sideways Golden Action. Let's see if we can get a crazy pull. We have Luster Pendulum. Void Trap Hole. Mistake. Now Mistake and Rest. This is just called the Mistake Slot. It's just always something mistaken. Start us Charge Warrior. Secret Rare. And we have the Rubik. Very nice. A little Burning Abyss action. So I think those are doing pretty well. But Mega Pack I think is probably holding them off. With all the great pulls we've had out of Mega Pack. Legendary Collection 2 I should say. Gladiabyss and all. We have Defortion. Change of Hero Reflector Ray. We've got Wild Heart. Elemental Hero Terra Ferma. Elemental Hero Shining Flare Wingman. Secret Rare. All right. And Gladiator Beast Octavius. Man, the foils are really hitting it right now. They're hitting really nicely. Premium Gold. Let's go. Infinite Gold. Let's do this. We have, okay, we've got a Vector Pendulum. The Draco Slayer or whatever it's called. Treacherous Trap Hole again. Very beautiful. Looks awesome. Fairy Wind. Finally not a mistake. Shining Hope Road. And we've got another Burning Abyss. It's almost every single pack is a Burning Abyss card. One more Legendary Collection. We've got two more mini-boxes and four more packs of Legendary Collection 2. Been a good opening so far. A lot of value has been pulled. Total value was $400 spent on these, so we're probably not going to make that back. But we are making definitely some money back. Magma Nios. I rent. The Super Rares look really good out of Legendary Collection GX. They just hit really well. Bandish Show the Radiance again. That's another good card. We've got Ice White Knight Dragon. There's no ice involved, but it is icy looking. Second to last mini-box. Here we go. Let's get our packs out. Let's see what we can get in the second to last box. Infinite Gold. Give us infinite amounts of gold. Number 61. Volcanosaurus. Cosmos Straw Man. Mass Change. We have the Frost Blast of the Monarchs. And we have another Burning Abyss card, which I cannot read. Ailich? There's so many of these. Oh wait, we just pulled that. Never mind. We just pulled that. Never mind. I take it back. We had already pulled it. Let's see what the next one will be. Oh, Norito. It's not Naruto, but this guy looks like a member of the Akatsuki. I'm just saying that. A Deep Dark Trap Hole. We have Shared Ride. Wow, crazy. We have the Phantom Knights. And we have another... The Cow... Cow Car. Man, I wish I could read these Golden Guards. Legendary Collection 2. Your time is shown. I think Legendary Collection 2 might be better value based on this. I think, but I think on average, it probably is two better than this Premium Gold, at least. We have Aqua Dolphin. Rainbow Gravity. Elemental Hero. Inferno. Super Rare. A Sparkman. Alternate Art. Two Alternate Arts. It's nice. And then a Cyber Phoenix. The Ultras just aren't great in Legendary Collection GX for the most part, except for whatever that big Nios Wiseman guy is. Yeah, he's pretty good. The rest of them are all pretty much good. Here we go. Not all, but a lot of them. We have a Bistweller. First time pulling that. It's a great card. Ice Hand. Okay. Radiant Mirror Force. Pretty cool. Dark Advance. And... Oh, it is the Maxi set! Maxi has been pulled! Oh, man! We did it! I totally thought this was a different set. Maxi making an appearance! The legendary hand trap that everybody wants to see come back. Right, guys? All right. Legendary Collection 2. Maxi, that's definitely gonna help. That's like a $15 to $20 card. Very solid. That might help them come back. Let's see if we can hold them off. Even the Legendary Collection GX has comments worth almost that much. Storm Nios. That's one of them. That's worth a decent amount. Not that much, but... Phenomenon. Darkness Destroyer. Whoa! Darkness Destroyer is missing half of its name! You can kind of see it there, but it didn't really print. It's a little bit of a misprint, boy, you guys. Misprint Legendary Collection. I think that that'll help add a little bit of value there. That's crazy. The Dimensional Prison. That's another great Ultra that I forgot about in here. Wow! That's so cool. A misprint. Can you guys see that? Like the bottom half didn't get the foiling on the name. That's super cool. This is turning into a crazy opening. Maxi and then an error card back to back. Premium Golden Fitting Gold last box. Then we have two boxes of our two packs. I should say I have Legendary Collection. GX left. What an opening so far, guys. It's been fun. It's been awesome. Premium Gold. If you guys have been enjoying the video, don't forget to go check out some other videos on my channel. We recently had the 200k videos, which were pretty insane. So you're going to want to go watch those. Check them out. There's been some good stuff on the channel recently. We have Black Rose Dragon. That's a great card. Cosmo Dogfighter. We have Mistake. Crazy. We have Junk Changer. And we got a Dragig or whatever his name is. I don't know. Okay, we'll do one here and then we'll do two Premium Gold. Switch it up a little bit. Legendary Collection GX. You've been good so far. What else can you get? Plasma Vice, I think, might be a dollar. We have Cunning. We have Dark Panther. Hero Counter Attack. Destiny Hero Double. Diamond, dude. Not Double Dude. And Gladiator Beast Laquari. Pretty solid card. And then Instifusion.  Those are both really good ones. Instifusion and the Dimensional Prison we got earlier. Looking solid. Let's go into Infinite Gold. Three packs left in the opening, guys. If you've enjoyed it, don't forget to subscribe to this channel for more epic content like this. We've got another Flare Metal Dragon. That's good. Cosmo Forerunner. Fairy Wind. We have Dark Advance. And... Oh, it's not another Raxi. It's Libit. Sure, whatever the name is. Which is a very funny sounding name, if you know what I'm saying. Okay, here we go. Legendary Collection GX. Let's go. We have two from the back. We have Destiny Hero Blade Master. Dark City. Rainbow Gravity. Emerald Tourist. The Fear Monger. We have Evil Hero Inferno Wing. And... The Shining Phoenix Enforcer. So we pulled Shining Flare Wingman and Shining Phoenix Enforcer out of here. And then Octavius. That's not great. But that's still a pretty sick... You know, GX had some really good pulls in this. And finally, Premium Gold Infinite Gold. Here's the score at the moment. I don't know if it's close enough for them to come back. It's been a pretty solid opening for both sides, though. Let's see. Maybe they're even ahead. Cosmo Town. We have Breakthrough Scale. That's a crazy good card. Finally a good card in the middle slot. Tsukumo. Not Tsukiyomi Slash. Okay. And... Oh, it's here. Meltabranche of the Burning Abyss. I cannot say those Burning Abyss cards. Still a pretty awesome opening. Here is the score of the versus battle. Let me know what you think. 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Live from Barcelona, Spain, it's theCUBE. Covering Cisco Live 2018. Brought to you by Cisco, Veeam, and theCUBE's ecosystem partners. Welcome back, I'm Stu Miniman, and this is theCUBE's coverage of Cisco Live 2018 in Barcelona. You know, I'm a networking guy by background, but there's certain people in the industry that really I've gone to to learn, been really thrilled that I've had the opportunity to get to know, and every once in a while I get to bring them to our audience, and really happy to bring back to the program Yvonne Pepelniek from Slovenia, blogger, author, webinar, generally, you know, that network guy that, you know, those of us that watch the industry knows. Yvonne- That grumpy networking guy. Yeah, you know, aren't most networking people, at least online, a little bit grumpy? And when you meet them in person, though, it's a slightly different experience, so thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for inviting me. All right, so 2013 was last time that we actually got to do one of these in person. That's true. So, networking, it's all the same, right? I mean, we're probably still working on 10 gig rollout, maybe 25 or 50 gig, you know, speeds and feeds, and, you know, oh, okay, you know, IPv6, I think we're kind of getting there, and lots of other acronyms we could talk about, but really, what's been some of the big things that you've been looking at? What are customers actually doing, and what are customers thinking of that you've been playing with? Well, it's amazing how little has changed. People are still talking about SDN, like that's the big thing. No one has delivered on that apart from some point products like VMware, NSX, or Cisco ACI. Cloud is still the thing that will happen next year to most companies. We hear how 90% of all the companies that participate in some survey are using Cloud. And then the next question I ask is, well, is this Office 365, or is this something more? And they go like, well, the survey didn't differentiate on that, so thank you.  That being said, ACI, NSX, there's customers using it. Oh, absolutely. It has not totally transformed the industry, like they said, Cloud, I've yet to find a company that's not doing some SaaS, and unless you have some regulation or things like that, you usually have some sandbox that you're doing, some public cloud. Absolutely. But absolutely, people, they still have data centers, despite the, you know, they might not want to, it might not be their own building anymore. I was just talking to a service provider and the like, but yeah, so I mean, the more things change, the more things stay the same, right? Absolutely, yeah. Well, yeah, we do see people moving to Colos, or they would build their stuff somewhere else, or whatever, but it's amazing how much interest I'm still getting in data center design courses. So there are still zillions of people who think that that is important, and yes, we all know we'll go to the cloud, but everyone has his own hurdles. And so, I think that eventually everyone will get to some sort of hybrid cloud where some stuff will be there, and some stuff, legacy, whatever, will be here, and we'll have to live with that forever. Yeah, I mean, those of us we think back, I remember when this wave came, it was like, well, how about the XSPs in the 90s? There were two reasons why it failed. Number one, there wasn't enough network, and number two, security. Well, you fast forward to two decades, and the network's gotten way better. I've got great speeds and things like that, but physics is still a factor, and security is even more of an issue today than it was 20 years ago, I think. Although, this started as a joke, but it's becoming more and more true. If you move to the cloud, your security actually improves, right? Because they have some security and you had none before. I at least get to rethink my security when I make some transformation. They have the basics right, like physical access control, multi-tenant separation, encryption, strong authentication, they get those things right because otherwise they would be out of business. Okay, so we spent more than a decade with how virtualization and networking, have we gotten most of that at least reasonably well now? There are still people who don't get that Ethernet was designed to be used on a single cable. So they still think that stretching a single Ethernet across wide distances is a great idea, and everyone is still letting them get away with that. Fortunately, the cloud vendors aren't buying. So if you want to move to Amazon, Google, whoever else, you have to redesign your applications and make them work correctly. So eventually this thing will die, but it's like cobalt and mainframes. It will be there forever. Yeah, I mean, we've been saying for a few years on theCUBE now that the challenge of our time is really distributed architectures. And of course that a huge impact on networking. So how's the industry doing? How'd you rate, say we're here at Cisco Live, how are they doing helping customers with these challenges? Most of them don't. I mean, if you look at a typical enterprise application, it still isn't developed for a distributed environment. Yeah, they use three tiers of servers, like always, but then they try to cope by solving all the problems in the ops phase when they deploy stuff. And that's the biggest problem we are facing today. We are not changing the development processes and paradigms. Well, we're actually here in the DevNet zone. I mean, I gave Cisco Kudos, last time I came to Cisco Live was 2009. There weren't, we didn't talk about developers. Everybody was, you know, doing plug-fests and getting their latest certification, but they're trying to embrace the developers more. There seem to be more of them here. That boundary between network operator and developer, do you see, you know, is there communication or the network guys still stuck in a closet somewhere not talking to anybody? Well, there are two types of challenges. The first type of challenge is that the network guy in particular, but ops teams in general, are still not invited to the table when new stuff is discussed. So the application developers dream up something based on their best knowledge.  They just don't know the operational impact of their decision. And because the networking security virtualization storage, people are not at the table, then they have to cope with whatever these guys dream up in isolation. I'm never blaming them because, you know, we should educate them and we are not doing that. So anyone who manages to bring security networking storage people in, when the application architecture is being designed is my hero, but there are only a few of them. All right. The other challenge is that the networking people don't realize that their world has changed, that they can't manually provision VLANs the way they've been doing for the last 20 years. And it's amazing once they get it, once they start the simple automation stuff, how creative they become, what types of problems they solve that they don't have the shackles of CLI anymore. I shouldn't be saying that. I'm the old CLI jockey, but it's amazing how much can be done once you realize that you don't have to do everything manually. Yeah. Cisco's, you know, not shy about putting out strong visions, you know, marketing is definitely part of what they do. And the keynote this morning said it's a new era and new infrastructure powered by intent informed by context. I sounded like a nice message, but this whole intent-based networking, what's your take on it? Is this, you know, are we going to come back five years from now and talk about intent-based like we did SDN? Well, let's keep in mind that this is all hype. What we're really talking about is an orchestration system with an abstraction layer. Because first, it's really hard to define what intent-based is because there's no good definition. But there is a definition in programming, which goes, differentiates between declarative programming and imperative programming. And if we use declarative programming as something which could be intent-based, that thing says, well, I don't tell the machine or whatever the system, how to do things, I just tell it what to do. And if you take a look at that from that perspective, then you figure out that every device configuration is an expression of your intent. You never tell the device how to work, you just tell the device what to do. It's a dream, Yvonne, I think back, we used to manage individual boxes, then we kind of created a little bit more pools, and the challenge they see right now is with the explosion of vice, we're not going to have time to talk about all the IOT, edge piece and everything, but there's no way an admin or a team of admins are going to be able to help there. So I need to infuse, I hate that, the ML, AI, choose your buzzword of choice, though. The machines need to be able to manage that a little bit more autonomous, networks are something they take deep, too.  There are three totally different things here. The first one, I totally agree with you that we should view networks as a single entity.  It's like, CIS admins don't do that. Well, some still do, they get the results they deserve. So we should start thinking about network-wide data models, which are then translated into device intent, which is really device configuration, and that makes absolute sense. But remember what I said, this is just a glorified orchestration system with an abstraction layer. The second problem is machine learning. Some of the things we are dealing with have physical limitations, like the speed of light, or the number of things you can put into a hardware forwarding table. And once you're faced with those physical limitations, it's like, you know, self-driving cars. Yeah, they are self-driving, but they cannot go 300 miles per hour because of laws of physics. So it's one thing to say, well, I have these infinite resources and I can learn how to play Go in eight hours. And it's a completely different thing to say, well, now I will figure out how to deal with my network, which has these physical limitations. And also, you know, whenever I hear about this autonomous distributed thing is, we have routing protocols. They have been autonomous and distributed and self-healing for decades. And we didn't call them machine learning or artificial intelligence. And finally, once you get to the bottom of it, then you're faced with all those physical limitations. And now let's say you want to solve a simple problem, which is how do I optimize the use of my network? You do some research, you figure out that this problem has been solved 20 years ago. There are companies with commercial products that have solved this problem. It's just that no one is using them because they're too expensive. Because what you can save by using them doesn't offset the cost that these people had to invest into R&D to make this work. So machine learning, yeah. Can you make it cheaper? I don't think so. All right, so Yvonne, I want to give you the last word. Grumpy networking, what do you look forward to the most at this show? Any final anecdote you want to share before we have to wrap? Well, the one thing I am looking forward to see people to start automate their networks, to jump over that mental barrier. And when they break through it, it's amazing how many success stories you get. So I know a number of networking engineers who were on my automation course. And six months later, they write me saying, now I have this thing in production. And we cut down the site deployment from three days to five minutes. When I read emails like that, it's like, you're my hero. Excellent, I love it. For a grumpy person, sure sound a little bit of an optimist about what some of the people come in and get this. Maybe your realist is more right. Yvonne Pepelniek, really appreciate you joining us. We'll be back with lots more coverage here from Cisco Live Barcelona 2018. I'm Stu Miniman, you're watching theCUBE.


Alright, so we're going to start off by sectioning the mannequin. Sectioning is a really important part of hair cutting because it plans out exactly what you're going to do. With this particular haircut, what I'm going to do is section it right at the parting on the left-hand side. Then I'm going to section it straight down the division line, which is the high point of the head down to directly behind the ear. And then I'm going to take a little square out of the temple area. That's going to play a key role in the haircut later on when we cut it dry. So I braid off what I want to be disconnected. Sometimes I like to separate the wave that I section off hair. So I'll use clips on things that I'm going to cut wet, and then I'll braid things I'm going to leave for later. Sometimes I change the color of the clip. It just keeps you more organized throughout the haircut. So this sectioning is basically two small squares in the temple area. Then I have the bigger rectangle for the heavy side of the haircut, and then I have a smaller square for the weak side of the haircut. Now, the scissor I'm choosing to use today is the Scorum Rusul Mizutani Scissor. It's a special edition scissor that we just became available on freesaloneducation.com. It's a six-inch scissor. Talked about the benefits that I really love about the scissor. Now you can watch it in action as we cut through this haircut. It's just super powerful. It was one of my favorite things about the scissor. You could really feel the quality, feel the power as you cut through the hair. So now I comb everything to the side. I part directly down, center, back, and then I take diagonal forward sections to start my cut. I'm going parallel with the head shape. So what I'm trying to do is collapse the head shape and create a nice soft feel to the back of the haircut. We'll build up the weight when we get more towards the crown area. So right now I'm still elevating the hair pretty high in this portion of the haircut even though I'm up on the crown because I want to bring that weight up much higher than I would normally do on a bob. That's why this is more of a short haircut, not so much of a bob, but some people might still consider this a bob length. So we're working our way down the head shape, just smoothing that out. This could be for a guest that says, you know what, it's a little too heavy down at the bottom. Maybe they weren't looking for that. They want a little bit more stacked up. So this would be a great haircut for that. So see still, how high I'm lifting my fingers. I really want to remove a lot of weight from this haircut and get a nice smooth feel to the back. And I'm tucking my fingers in. So as I move down the head shape, my finger angle will shift more towards the head. So right now I'm parallel coming off of the head shape.  So the way I hold the scissor shifts because it makes me more comfortable. So I take my thumb out of the scissor the normal way and I put it in the back direction of the scissor just to create a more comfortable feel for the scissor. If you use a swivel scissor, you wouldn't have to do this. You don't have to do this in regular haircutting either. It just seems to be more comfortable for me as I work down certain sections. So you can see how we've kind of pushed some weight forward. That all comes with that over direction. So as we worked our way down, we overdirected everything back, pushed a little bit of weight to the front. Now I'm going through with scissor over comb. This is where this scissor really shines, which one of my favorite things about the scissor is working with it, scissor over comb. It just blasted through the back. But really I just did that scissor over comb as a almost like a cross check through the back because I went through and cut diagonal forward, almost like diagonal vertical in my sectioning in my fingers. So then I go through horizontally with the scissor over comb, which just cleans everything up. Make sure I'm nice and consistent with my haircutting. So same thing on this side. The only difference is my fingers are now pointing down. Talked about this a lot in the past, but if you've never seen any of the videos, the reason I'm now pointing down is you have to stay consistent with the way you comb. Combing is what makes you a great haircutter. It has nothing to do with cutting the hair. It has everything to do with how you comb it, how you place the hair. How clean you take your sections. So what we're doing is we're pushing the new hair towards our guideline. Our guideline is coming from the center, traveling across the head, but you want to push that new hair, which is coming from the side, into the guideline. Instead of pulling your guideline from where it lives over, that's just going to stretch your haircut out and then you're going to end up with two sides, one side longer than the other. So now I'm just going to go through and soften off the graduation that we created in the top crown area of the haircut. So I went through with a little bit of high elevation just to round off that corner a bit. And then I go through and just a little point cutting to soften right at the low crown area horizontally, just to soften the shape. And we'll go through scissor over comb.  And I like to go through section by section in a haircut to make sure that it's right before I move on to the next section. So you can see that shape that's been built up. Now what we've done is we over directed all the hair in the wet cut back towards us. So now what I want to do is elevate it straight up vertically and just point cut into it to remove a slight bit of weight, because sometimes when you over direct stuff back, it's going to be a little bit heavier than you want it to be in the end result. So I just over direct it back, do a little bit of point cutting to soften it up. So now we're going to work on the side section of the hair just directly above the disconnection. And what I want to do is over direct that back to my previously cut section. So I'll get my guideline from the side of the head right at that division point. Then we're over directing everything above the ear. What that's going to do is give me a little bit of length pushed forward and also remove quite a bit of weight because we're following the round of the head. So it'll be a nice soft angle to the side of the hair, but it pushes that weight forward, so it'll be a nice soft look. So now we're going to do the same thing on the opposite side, taking that guide from the bottom. And I want to create a short to long portion throughout the top of the haircut. So the longest point is going to be over the part. And I'm following the head shape from the rest of the haircut down. So just allowing that longer piece to sit on the top kind of gives them some flexibility throughout the top of the haircut. But it also blends the haircut on the side if they style it back. So once I get that cut, now I let the disconnections out. I add a little bit of the brocato mousse and I'm going to go through and blow dry the rest of the haircut nice and smooth. Now it's going to look a little funny as we start to blow dry this haircut only because we have those disconnections in there. But trust me, we're going to cut into those disconnections so it won't look like you have those long pieces hanging down. The great thing about leaving the disconnections in the haircut is that now we can go in and customize them to fit the haircut that we're looking for. So you can start to see that shape that happens on top and how it kind of collapses right before the disconnection and then the disconnection gets nice and thick. So that's what we're going to do is go into that with a razor and cut into it so that we can soften it, connect it to the haircut and give it a nice cool flow to it. So go through with our vibrostrate iron just to get it nice and polished. And then we're going to use our carving comb razor. This is a really cool tool we have on freeslowneducation.com. It's $34.95. It's a great price to add to your kit. And it cuts dry hair really well, but it also cuts wet hair really well. So we're going through with our 100% carved side of the carving comb and just pinching the hair and sliding the razor through to create our lines. So we want this to be nice and broken, nice and soft. So it's a heavy stroke with the razor, which will create some kind of light airy pieces through there. And then I just pinch and cut. So you can see how it just breaks it up. I like the peaceiness of that haircut. I like the shattered look. That's the whole purpose of the razor. If I wanted more of a blunt look, I would go in with a scissor. And then I can even go through with our bang area and just soften that a little bit. Now we're going to do what we call kind of a point cutting technique with the carving comb. The cool thing about the carving comb is it cuts on both sides. So it's got 100% cut side and a 50% cut side. So we just go through, lift up the hair. You can slide the carving comb across your fingers. And it point cuts and takes out a ton of density throughout the haircut. And you get that kind of textured PC look really easily, which is pretty cool. Now we're going to go into our brocado carve. It's a textured cream. And I'm going to use that to style. And what I like to do is run that through my hands for just about 30 seconds just to get it, it starts to firm up in my hands. And then as I go into the haircut, it styles it a lot more. It doesn't give it a wet look to the haircut. So you can see all that texture that pops out using those disconnections, using the texture techniques, cutting those shorter layers. And that is our end result. Hope you guys like it. Let me know.


Life could be as easy for them as possible, but I remember one day she called me up and I went up to see some damage that had been sustained by those porcelain birds again, those Dorothy Dowdy birds. And she said, I'd like to see if you could get them repaired. And I said, oh, I can do that right away. Well, maybe not today, Mrs. Johnson. Maybe not until tomorrow because I didn't bring the car today. And she said, oh, you don't need to, you just call. You don't have White House car privileges. And I said, well, we did until yesterday. But I said, Mr. Watson has decided that we're no longer on the list to be able to call and have a car immediately. And so as a result of this, I'll have to make other arrangements. Oh, she said, never mind. Just take my car. That's perfectly all right. I'm not going anywhere for a while. And if anybody in Marvin's office raises any questions about it, I asked you to take my car. So I said, well, that's fine. And so took her car and we went up to Mario's, which was located here at Dupont Circle. And we went through all the things. And by the time I got back, there was a call to call Marvin, who said there must have been some misunderstanding that there was no reason at all why we should have been demoted to the C list, and that we would certainly, henceforth, be very much back where we had been on A minus, minus, or whatever it was. But I remember sharing that with Ashton and perhaps Bess afterwards. And we all got a great, great chuckle because, of course, all of us were dealing with a Chancellor of the Exchequer over there on certain occasions, really the East Wing more than I was, because we had, our whole program didn't take a penny of tax dollars. Even my salary was a donation from the White House Historical Association and all of the monies that went into the Fine Arts, Decorative Arts programs at the White House came from either revenues from the sale of the first series of guidebooks and then the Living White House, which was the book that Mrs. Johnson was responsible for originating. And I didn't have to put on the few occasions that I did, I realized that we were up against somebody who was heady green over there in the West Wing looking at every single penny and making sure that they could be squeezed until that old buffalo squealed. And it happened to me on that occasion. Anyway, you, again, with her staff, you worked with them and you played with them as well. And it was, I don't know, we probably met each other coming and going sometimes as far as, but you never seem to grow tired. It reminds me of once going to a party out in Bethesda when I first came to Washington in which everyone there was an officer with the Central Intelligence Agency or their spouse. And nobody talked about what anybody did. It was all this very strange world. Well, we had the, I can see why they would get together socially, we had the freedom of not only talking about what we did, but of laughing about each other's mistakes. And while nobody else was overhearing this, it certainly was a great catharsis, no two ways. If you were involved in the Shattering of the Plates episode, tell me if we were to put it back. Bethesda's already told me. Yeah, she told me. Well, she probably mentioned there's a law in the books that said that White House tableware has to be destroyed. And this goes way back to, it's a law that originated in the 19th century. Apparently there used to be visitors at those New Year's receptions who were carrying off the plate and so forth. And the problem was that as breakage would occur in a state service, the entire state service would be withdrawn and would be disposed of, usually dumped in the Potomac River. We have any number of pieces today at the White House which came out of 20th century dredging of the Potomac River. Well, this was built into the contract with Casselton and Tiffany when Mrs. Johnson's service was being ordered. There were approximately 220 place settings of which the dessert service would be all 50 states represented with a state flower. I remember when we first started talking about it. First, somebody mentioned state trees and we finally somebody threw out state dogs only in jest, believe me, but at that point I wasn't quite so sure maybe there was some seriousness to that. And finally with state flowers because Mrs. Johnson had very much set upon doing a wildflower on the base plate and then the dinner plate the would have an eagle from the Monroe service on the center, but it would all be very much out of the same palette and of the same design process. Well, a young French designer by the name of André Pietra, those French were back to get us obviously, did the dessert service. He'd worked on the other and he came up with what we saw in drawing form to be quite reasonable and very pleasant. I mean, what can you do with Yucca? You can do good things with bluebonnets, I suppose. You can do good things with violets, a little harder with magnolias, but on and on. But when you've got all 50 states and that was what we were going to do, we were going to have the District of Columbia all 50 states and somehow we'd have extra from Texas and maybe from Minnesota, I'm not sure, but we were going to get up to 220, but the basic 50, 50, 50, 50 plus those extra 20 would be filled in. And when the desserts, the china came down, the bowls were magnificent, you've seen the pieces at the library. Wonderful until we saw the dessert plates and it looked like something that even F.W. Woolworth or Nisner would not be able to unload on the consuming public. I mean, no two ways about it. So, Walter Hoving, who was then Chairman of the Board of Tiffany and Company, came down and we lined the dessert service up in our office and he came in. We'd already done the final showing of the Peter Herd in our office, so we now had something else to share and he said this is just not Tiffany. It absolutely isn't Tiffany at all and we'll begin again, which they did. And we got the Library of Congress and a botanist from the Library of Science and Technology staff involved and we went through it and we saw every last decal, decal committee is the process, so every decal has to be printed and when they're fired at 2,200 degrees or thereabouts, sometimes the colors tend to change more than slightly, so all this has to be factored in. So we went through all of it and it took forever. I think the dessert service was finally delivered the second year of the Nixon administration. I think I was still there when that came in. But anyway, we were left with 220 dessert plates that we had to destroy. And so Beth said, I know how I want to destroy them. We're not going to go in the Potomac and they're not going to be broken up by some Park Service machine that is brought front and center. And so we took a room that we had down in the basement where we had cataloged Linda and Lucy's wedding presents and Beth's arrived with this giant poster which had not only bullseye but names and I think little sketches of certain individuals over in the West Wing. And J.B. West, Connie Carter, who was the botanist of the Library of Congress who was involved with the new service, Carol Carlisle, yours truly. And Beth, like Admiral Dewey, said, fire away! And she hurled the first plate, which literally I think tore into poor Marvin, but I'm not sure about that. And on and on and on and on we went. And by the time we were through 220 plates were lying in rubble on the floor. And I mean it was just, it was penance for me to have to be a part of that. I agonized because I could see these examples no matter how awful they were. They still had a story to tell. And I had not, I've been very honest and above board. I had not taken one of each out and hidden them someplace. Not in the least, but it was the way that the law was upheld. And Devere Pearson, whoever was looking over our shoulder in the West Wing as far as our contractual obligations were concerned, I suppose was satisfied. But I was not. Yes, certainly you could venture spleen in wonderful ways, but I didn't really have that much against anybody over there. So I really could not perhaps feel the full brunt of it as maybe bested. But that's that's my recollection of that whole situation. But just to round this out, what I'm going to ask first of all, at the end of this, go over anything you think that is in your memory and your mind, we haven't covered. No, I'd like to have you reflect a little on the career of Jim Ketchum.  And how many administrations were you looking for? I was there for Kennedy Johnson and into, I left in the middle of the second year of the next administration, dumb luck. There's no other way to describe it. Harry, I came down fresh out of college as an enrolling law student at Georgetown. I had to make up my mind between Stanford on the West Coast and Georgetown here. And I came down, got a job with the Park Service. I was a counterfeit confederate, as you may recall, with General Lee over at Arlington House. And in 1961, the program began at the White House, and Mrs. Kennedy turned to the Park Service for staff in the Curator's Office. And I went over to, it would have been perhaps late spring or so, to, I had an application in for a job I was sent over actually by a personnel person in Interior, a National Capital Region. They had a registrar's spot that had opened up or was being created. And I went over and did not get the job. And about two weeks later, got called back for a supporting job to the Curator's position, and went over and that job I got. But by the time they'd finished with the Fulfilled Security and so forth, we're talking about the, we're getting on into 61 into the fall of the year. So I started, my first job was dealing with all the correspondence that came in from a Life Magazine cover story that they did in early September of 61 of Mrs. Kennedy. Mrs. Kennedy, a picture that Nina Lean took of her out on the Truman balcony. And inside it just a series of black and white shots showing her everything from moving mirrors to you name it. And then, as we continue down, we started to get ready for what CBS was going to be doing the following winter. Actually, the show was taped in late January of 62, and it was shown on Valentine's Day. And then following weekend, all three networks resumed on CBS. Perry Wolfe was the producer. So I'm working with two other people in a relatively small operation that suddenly is catching on like wildfire, as far as the American public is concerned. And so I had, after my first year of law school, I had decided that I was going to take a year off and see what was happening when I was going to the White House. And I finally, because my time usually was about eight o'clock at night by the time I was through and my law school hours were anywhere from about six o'clock, it seems to me, until about nine o'clock in the evening. By the time I'd spent a year at the White House, I said the heck with it, I'm going to go on and do graduate work in art history and with concentration on American painting at GW, which was just down the street. And if I could work up some independent projects, independent study projects, I would do that. And that's really what I did. Like the man who came to dinner, from 61 through 70, there I was in the summer of 1963, we'd had the curator was having a second child and she retired. And Bill Elder, who had been registered, moved up into her situation. And in the summer of 63, he was offered the top job at the Baltimore Museum. And he was a native of Baltimore, and that was really something that he very much wanted to do. Mrs. Kennedy was up at the Cape that summer expecting Patrick. And she asked if I would hold down the fort until after the baby was born when she came back. And I said, Sure, when she came back, she said, I really would like you to try this. And I said, Mrs. Kennedy, I really don't think I'm the person for the job.  And she said, Yes, but you've been here.  I said, I'm too young. And she said, Don't worry about that, we can take care of that. And I didn't really understand what she meant until the press release that came out announcing that I had taken the curatorial spot. And instead of being 24 years old, I was now 29 years old. And I sent a copy of the press release to my parents, knowing that this would delight them to no end, that they had not been married at the time of my birth, and that this took care of all kinds of questions, as far as who shook the family tree. I remember Dorothy McCartle, I was up in New York State with Barbara, visiting our families when the announcement came out. And she somehow tracked me down up there. And she's reading the release to me saying, Is this true? Is this true? Is this true? And she got to the age thing. And I gulped three times and said, Yeah, that's fine, go on. I thought, you know, for somebody who was going to have to go to confession on Saturday, three different ways to confess this one, I'm not quite sure how it's going to come across. But that's how it started. And we did certainly seem to get things done. And when Mrs. Johnson arrived, I mean, I really give her credit more than any other individual. And for the president's backing for making this whole program, as we have know it today, and it still relies very much on the private funding that it gets from the proceeds of the books and so forth. She, as the responsible party, it would have been so easy for her to say, Look, it's over. I don't want to even try to compete on that plane whatsoever. But instead, she, from beginning to end, got herself involved in every single meeting of the committee for the preservation of the White House. President Johnson issued the executive order in March of 1964, doing two things, setting up a permanent group to oversee the White House collections and their preservation and also to make the office of curator a permanent part of the White House. Up until then, it was a started out as kind of a Smithsonian stepchild, and it went through all kinds of changes. The first curator had to report both to the Smithsonian every week and also to Mrs. Kennedy whenever. And he straightened that out beautifully. And it really meant that once you had the second act, namely what Mrs. J was doing, and then she said, Where are our needs? And for the first time, had a very developed sense of finding representations by American painters who, until then, had not seen the White House. And I'm thinking of people like Winslow Homer and Thomas Aikens and Thomas Sully. And on and on and on, the list continued. And any number of portraits of presidents and their spouses. Elna Roosevelt, for example. Mrs. Truman and the Schumatoff copy of FDR that Schumatoff was painting at the time of his death. I mean, the wonderful example of all this is I went through what must be about the 18th edition of the White House guidebook recently. And I looked at everything that was being featured. And of course, they're only going to let surface what they think are the best and the most historic of the pieces that have been acquired. And the majority of the pieces that were there came during the Johnson administration that were being featured. And I thought, if anything is a true test, and I mean this is a book that is being edited by people who don't even remember these kids when Lyndon Johnson was in the White House. So there are all kinds of things about the program that I was associated with, that I can only tip my hat and say thank you so much for the time, effort and interest that was shown from the very beginning. Is that program going to endure today? It sure does. Extremely successful continues. And I think so much so that it will endure 50 years from now. And hopefully as long as the president is living in the White House, that may change. He may find himself in a bunker down the Potomac someplace, but we shall see. Well, I'll work on special projects from time to time, but really just more keeping in touch with them. They still have questions about things that happen back during my watch. I try to make myself available both to this program and the program up on the hill, working, for example, with portrait commissions and things of that type, where you're looking at various painters. The White House Historical Association has done an awfully good job in making certain that the money is there for the important commission, such as presidential and first lady. But so much of what has gone on has far surpassed, I think, anything that we could have imagined even during my time. The development, the publications, the Historical Society has started to live up to its name in many more ways than it could in the very beginning, when it was really a vehicle for funding more than anything else and to be able to copyright materials that otherwise would have been in the public domain. Did your name that has not come up yet, Nash Castro? We did, yeah. He was, of course, the liaison between the White House and the Park Service, right on up through, let's see, Nash finished out with the Johnson administration, but he certainly was gone early in the Nixon administration. He may have even left in the last months of the Johnson administration. I'm not sure, but we certainly did work very closely together. My leaving, well, are a couple of things. One, I realized the writing was on the wall. I was having going round and round with Haldeman on money that was being spent for social, basically, busloads of ladies from Grand Rapids, Michigan, who were part of the Grand Rapids Republican Women's Group, were coming to the White House and they were being entertained. And Haldeman felt it was only appropriate that, since they were seeing the White House collection, that the monies which had been set aside for conservation and preservation funds could go to the entertainment side. And I was not able to sign off on this. And I knew, after going around with him a couple of times on this, that my life expectancy was not going to be that great. I also think I was probably too closely tied to Democratic administrations. There's no doubt about it. So after a year and a half of this, I had been, oh gosh, approached twice before by Mansfield to work on setting up a program on the Hill. And I knew that, as our kids started coming along, that I would love to be able to get home at a decent hour. I mean, there were times, for example, the Johnson administration when we would do these receptions for members of the Senate and members of the House two a week, Tuesdays and Thursday nights, that would begin with my telling anecdotes to the wives down in the theater, president up in the east room with Bundy and Rusk and McNamara. And then we'd take the wives up on the elevator and we'd go up to the second floor and tour the family quarters. I remember a horrible experience that happened. Best of all, I told you about this when the conleys who came all the time, he often came by himself, but she was often along as well. And they always were assigned as the Lincoln bedroom. And J.B. West and Mary Kultman and Bess and I were kind of in the advanced guard of Mrs. Johnson's tour and we would also break up and spend time, each of us would station ourselves in the room so as the spouses would come in and out. And we happened to check the Lincoln bedroom and my god the clothes were laid out and it was obvious that somebody was there and we looked and we discovered it was the conleys and nobody, the Usher's office apparently had not known or J.B. had not known about it at that point and so we quickly closed the door to the Lincoln bedroom and I remember Mary Kultman shoving some things in the closet. We made the bed, I was on one side and Bess was on the other. Everything that we could whisked away things went into the dresser drawers and the bathroom door was closed and so forth. And just as we finished we're all standing around the bed. Mrs. Johnson throws open the door and looks and sees four of us, two men and two women standing by the Lincoln bed. And I mean there was certainly a very strange, at least it seemed to me a very strange look on her face but we just nodded and said just making sure everything's fine ma'am and then they came and I thought you know what was the film Bob and Alice, Ted and somebody? Well here we were only it was Lincoln bedroom one-on-one. Harry what was your question? I'm sorry. About the departure. Oh my departure. Right. Anyway I do feel that I had probably pushed my luck about as far as it would go. So anyway I asked a mutual friend of Mansfield's and mine if indeed that program on the hill was still going forward. Meantime I had had a couple of conversations with George Hartzog and George had just the perfect idea. We need somebody to go up to Thomas Edison's studio in the Oranges who the world of every invention in the world and pull it all together. Apparently there were thousands and thousands and thousands of things that had never been catalogued and everything else and this for somebody who barely got through high school physics this was not going to be my day in the sun and the more I thought of it the more I realized that I wanted to certainly stay where I was in D.C. if I possibly could and I would like to do something that would allow me to be home maybe at seven o'clock in the evening and Mansfield very kindly said sure we still are looking for somebody and if you will come up so I went up and spent the next 25 years on the hill and again never should probably have been paid for any of this because it was just the pleasures were amazing and it's true I mean granted you had your I remember taking a very sullen earth a kit this was before she ever appeared at the women's doers lunch and through and a Jaeger Gabor who I spent two hours with her and three days later when she went on Johnny Carson and described it it was as if it was a totally different world not only did she not see the president with me the president wasn't even in town but on Carson's show there was the president of the United States who took her around I've been confused for Billard Scott but never for Lyndon Johnson so there are always these little side things that were happening in your life that you kind of shook your head and said stranger than fiction but all in all when it comes right down to it you don't miss what it does to your schedule but you sure as hell missed the people that you've been dealing with and I especially the Johnson folks but since they had departed seen and I really hadn't tried to get to know the Nixon people in any great shape or means I mean we pretty much stayed intended to our knitting I found that it was probably all for the best that I was going to see the writing on the wall I told you that story of going to the Nixon White House Sunday service and I won't go into this right now but you remember the tale about Barbara being pregnant with Sarah and the Nixon's inviting the folks to well Nixon it was the war and he did not want to go out into St. John's or any Sunday services because the protestors were gathering around the doors of the churches and so he decided that he would hold a ten o'clock service every Sunday in the East Room of the White House and then people would gather in the State dining room for some juices and sweet rolls and so forth and so on so on a particular Sunday in July the memo had come around they'd gone through cabinet sub-cabinet and they were now getting into White House staff to invite me and my wife and any children that we had to go to be present and accounted for on Sunday morning at ten o'clock and Barbara was about three or four or five months four months ago so long with Sarah at that point and John was all of about three and a half years old and when you work in the White House and you have a three and a half year old you don't really stress for them doing a little bit of mother goose or poetry but rather they seem to pick up on other things for example John was in the White House enough to go around and see every presidential portrait and when he would see them he would imitate them so he had a Lincoln and he had a Washington pose and he had all poses but he didn't have a Nixon pose because a Nixon portrait was not hanging in the White House but he had a February 1969 cover of Life Magazine. Nixon's first trip you may remember abroad was Romania and in the back of the old Queen Mary the Secret Service car was Nixon hands up throwing his head back in the V for victory and this was what John had in his collection at home along with the book that the White House Historical Association put out on the presidential portraits so that was his Nixon pose anyway we went through the service which was about 45 minutes in the east room and Barbara was a little uncomfortable but John seemed very happy looking at the Gilbert Stewart of Washington that was hanging over on the wall and when we finished we went down the cross hall the long corridor connecting the state dining room with the east room we went into the state dining room and President Mrs. Nixon were standing in front of the Lincoln the Healy portrait of Lincoln receiving the folks who had just gotten God in the east room and we went through the line and were approaching the line and as you may recall in those days the male preceded the wife and Barbara had John by the hand and as we got just about where I am now in relationship to you, you being Richard Milhouse Nixon Barbara let go of John's hand for a moment and he came stood out and looked at the portrait of Abraham Lincoln and kind of went into his Lincoln pose and then he looked up at Richard Nixon and at that point he threw both arms up in the air rolled back his eyes having seen Richard on television and did a complete pirouette right in front of Nixon with every aid in the world ready to pounce and everyone looking in fact the aid who got to him first took his hand gave it back to Barbara who was absolutely so undone that it's a wonder she didn't have Sarah right there in the state dining room. We made the most amazing exit going through the line saying thank you, no thank you and so forth and getting out of the White House so quickly that I shook all the way home and the next day delivered to every single office in the White House was the fact that if children are under age 12 they would not be expected nor would they be invited to any services in the White House Sunday service henceforth. We killed it for them once and for all. It's a wonder that I lasted another year or whatever from that but in any event that was my memory of Nixon and Nixon staffers we have known. My favorite memo of H.R. Haldeman was when and he loved to send memos to the staff all the time but it was next Tuesday the Brunswick bowling ball man will be here to fit Tricia and Mrs. Nixon for new balls. Please be aware of the fact that the bowling alley will not be open at that point and believe me the Xerox machine that was down in the east wing it was the only one we had at that time burned out that day. I could imagine it did. Jim is there anything that we haven't covered that did? Probably about five years worth and I apologize for going down again and talking about going down highways and byways that are off the beaten path but no Harry you really you make it a pleasure and you've got me to think about things that I haven't really considered in a long long time. Your reminiscences are going to be important and I'm very glad that we have this on tape now but before we I'd love to put if there is anything running around through your brain that. Oh gosh. Not I mean they're sure there's a lot but there's nothing that I think I've probably touched upon as many of the aspects of life in the Johnson White House it was like no other. I mean as someone who considers himself a student of White House social history and how earlier administrations existed under that roofline I don't think that anything ever existed that was even close to what I saw during that during that five-year period absolutely not. All right it's a great place to stop. Okay.