We are here at the OpenStack Summit in Tokyo. It's been an awesome week so far. I'm Jonathan Bryce, the executive director of the OpenStack Foundation. And I'm Mark Collier, the COO at the Foundation. So, Mark, what's been going on this week? What's some of the news? Well, it's been pretty awesome event, I think. You know, we launched the Project Navigator. It's really trying to help people make sense of how many choices there are in OpenStack and give them some data so they can make better decisions. How many choices are there in OpenStack? You know, there's exactly the right amount of choices. You know, it's really... Well, you know, I think the Project Navigator is something that we built with data that is put together by the technical committee, by the user committee. There's data in there from Stackalytics. It's really about taking all of this data that's out there in the community and figuring out how do we kind of aggregate it together and make it accessible. Yeah, I mean, I think that what we found is that in the past, there's just kind of a small number of people that really kind of had their head into all these details, you know, like the experts of the technical committee or user committee. And so they've done some amazing work through tags and really just creating this metadata database. And what we've done is just tried to come up with an easy-to-use way to, you know, sift through that data. And I think hopefully it'll make for new newcomers, newbies coming into the project, make it a little bit easier to get up to speed and then have their, you know, their cloud the way they want it. So I don't think you were in the session yesterday, but there was a product working group session. And they were talking about the roadmap work that they've been doing. And so the product working group is a community group that they basically are trying to work with the PTLs, work with the technical teams and determine features like NovaCells V2, which is going to take, you know, a year to develop from in to, or from start to finish. You know, how do we document that and show that on the schedule? And they had an idea that we should, we should include some of that in the project navigator. So it's cool that we're, you know, we just launched it. It's the first version, but we're getting feedback. And I think that's actually an awesome idea.  And I mean, that's just really awesome. And this product working group has gotten off to such a strong start.  I mean, the summits, you know, still have that same vibe of running into people in the lobbies and coming up with new ideas, but we just have so much more rigor around the feedback process getting back into the developers and making sure what operators want is what's actually being built. And so I think that really shows up in, you know, the kind of adoption we're seeing and things like that. Yeah. So one of the other things that we announced this week was the first professional certification, which is the Certified OpenStack Administrator that's going to be available in 2016. And I think that's another one that's really important. We were talking about how the project navigator is trying to solve some of the confusion around all of the pieces of OpenStack, all of the capabilities that are out there. Another issue that we have is just everybody's trying to hire OpenStack experts. That's true.  Somebody is being hired behind us right now. Yeah, we'll be able to analyze the footage later and figure out, you know, who went to what company.  And obviously, you know, with OpenSource and OpenStack, that's always been a fundamental part of that kind of philosophy is making it accessible. Anyone can download it. Anyone can use it. But sometimes, you know, not every OpenSource project has always been, you know, as easy to get up and running. And so these education efforts, along with, you know, the documentation team, I think we should give them a shout out as well. I mean, they've made huge strides and install guides, the API guide that Ann Gentel worked on. I think she talked about it here on superior TV as well. Land of the new PTL, I think she did a SuperUser interview as well. Yeah, yeah, that's, I actually watched that the other day. They were on together and it was really cool. It was amazing. I was like, you know, we need to get on the SuperUser TV. This is pretty cool. Why are we on there? So the user survey, one of my favorite stats in there is that people look at the documentation, the official OpenStack.org documentation. On average, 60 plus percent of them look at it every week. So like two thirds of the people are using that documentation. And, you know, how many of us are like building something that gets used that frequently? What they do is really important, valuable, and really widely used. Yeah. Well, hey, I'm just glad we had a chance to get on this very exclusive channel here. And so anyway, I hope everybody at the summit and out there who's following along, that they couldn't make it, is having a good time with OpenStack. Yeah, thank you. And we are super excited to have the next summit in Austin, Texas in April of 2016. So we'll see you all there.


Happy Aloha Friday. Welcome to Perspectives on Global Justice, and this is your host Beatrice Contelmo. We live in an elusive paradise. This morning, the state of Hawaii made national news again when our attorney general and several human rights advocates and activists gave a joy press conference. Regarding the US Supreme Court's decision to let portions of Trump administration's Muslim tribal ban go into effect, while the debate and the constitutionality of the ban as a whole. Here in the state of Aloha, we feel it's our kuleana to continue to fight until the Muslim tribal ban is stopped. We are the Aloha state, after all. And if there's one thing Hawaiian culture is well known for and admired, it's for its spirit of justice, freedom, and kindness. We believe that our diversity, not only as a state, but across the globe, is what makes us stronger and wholesome. Not always paradise in the state of Hawaii. We have major social justice issues. Take, for instance, the health and wellness of our native Hawaiian women and girls. We still have a long ways to go. Today, we have a very special guest, Renuka De Silva. She is from Sri Lanka, had quite a few years detour in Alberta, Canada, and then moved to Hawaii. So she's a citizen of the world. And she's a PhD student at the University of North Dakota. She focuses on the marginalization of native and indigenous women from various diasporas of Hawaii. And she will help us better understand how engendering descriptions during colonization times left this legacy that still impact native Hawaiian women and children. And note, welcome to our show, darling. Thank you so much for having me. Well, thank you. So where are you based these days, as far as residence? OK, so these days, I'm in North Dakota, pursuing my PhD in educational foundations. I was born in Sri Lanka. I think you mentioned sort of the other way around. But I was born in Sri Lanka, but left Sri Lanka when I was 12, because my parents were traveling, and my dad was doing his PhD from UCLA to the University of Hawaii, these islands. This is going back, way back. And then you're only 29. You can't be that way back. Absolutely, absolutely. Cannot disagree with that. But yes, so from Hawaii, we went to Africa. And from Africa, I had a choice of going to university anywhere around the world. And I chose Canada. So I have been in Canada since 1979. I'm still a citizen of Canada. Then I came back to Hawaii to do my master's in educational foundations, then decided to go to North Dakota to do educational foundations and research. And the Aloha is bringing me back to the state of Hawaii to do my work in women's issues. So tell me a little bit about your time in studies here in Hawaii. I know you've been here for a little while. You went to a couple of conferences and doing fascinating group studies with women. That's what it's all about. So I, as I mentioned, I'm doing my research work regarding women, native Hawaiian indigenous women and women from various deaths for us who may have been here. I mean, their families for several generations who consider themselves Hawaiian. And so what I'm doing is talking to them and trying to understand their understanding of health and well-being. And it's fascinating. The stories that I hear, mainly because when we think of health and well-being, you're thinking, oh, are they eating the right food? How are they managing the food systems really? What's coming out is health and well-being is the wellness of Mother Earth. So it's women and Earth and the food sustainability interactive and giving and take that which gives is returned. So looking after, I'm making it very broad, but looking after our Earth gives us back. So there's not just the tangible aspects of food and living, but then there's the spiritual aspect as well, which is very, very interesting. Absolutely. And it's also really interesting to see how Western cultures measure wellness in health. From a public health perspective. And yet, even though that's important from an indigenous perspective, I think that part of sustainability and interconnectedness with nature is really what promotes and sustains health. So this is what you're finding out here. Well, the thing is the real system of living close to the land, living with the land really changed with the colonization. And this is not just in Hawaii in other parts of the world as well, but because I'm focusing more here. So what has happened is when the very first people landed, the first came in, they saw people and their lifestyles as something that's disorganized, that didn't fit into their scope of measurement, in a sense. And efficiency. Well, I mean, it was more of a capitalistic view of doing things, right? So they didn't understand that. And they call these people savages. I mean, this is throughout the history. So let's bring in the religion. Let's bring in order. Let's bring in all these things that they are used to seeing and measuring people. We call it bold view theory. That part of it is if these ways of living didn't fit into their ways of thinking and being, well, then they're primitive. So you've got artists like Paul Gauguin. I mean, he was mostly in Tahiti, French Polynesia, where he started painting of this primitive life, this exotic life, the elusive paradise, which wasn't a part of his life, but wanted to bring this to the European views, rather, view. So that's not what it was. I mean, if you look at even in his paintings, I mean, there were so many things that happened that was not nice for the native Hawaiians or the native Haitians, I should say. But there were so many other things that if it didn't fit into the European, Eurocentric way of thinking and being, well, then they're below them. So let's assimilate them. Let's inculturate them so that they look and speak like us, be like us, follow and work like us, except they're below us. So it broke up this whole indigenous or local way of looking at the beauty, the respect, the many gods that they worship. That made sense within their life, was all broken down and was pulled apart to, well, you've got the guns and all of those other things coming in with the colonization. So they were sort of dissembled. So help our viewers understand the meaning of the word of re-engendering, because it's quite a tongue twister there. Many people have looked hard at that outside academia. So if you look at, I'm learning this as well. I mean, thankfully to the women whom I have been interviewing, this amazing native Hawaiian and indigenous cultures have had women side by side with men and participating in life, in rituals, in ceremonies, in life, basically. So they were equal in many ways. But of course, European wasn't that. So when you talk about engendering, and that is OK, a woman does this, a man does that. And it kind of fitted really into the scope of things, because what the colonies brought to us was very much moving away from agrarian culture into a more capitalistic, money-producing cash crops. So you couldn't have everybody going there. So farming had to go out. You had to produce, say, coffee, for example. I mean, this produced cash for more travels for the colonizers, bringing in money, taking it back home, and bringing in more people and turning in the land for other cash crops, like pineapple, and you've got your sugarcane. So that happened here as well. So when these patterns get introduced, the family gets broken down. So then it becomes mostly you start assigning roles within family structures. And then those families have to answer to whoever who's supervising them, who's above them. And usually, it was the colonizer. And that is completely your centric feminist structure. You speak a different language. Your native Hawaiian language is pretty well diminished. Now, another thing I've learned from these ladies that I've interviewed is that they weren't allowed to tell their stories. It was an oral tradition. They weren't allowed to tell the stories, because stories give life, resonance, birth to the story that it carries through. And you learn about the ways of the land. You learn about fish ponds and the lui patches. And how the traditions, that is not conducive to the European way of thinking. You've got to get rid of all this because so if you go back several generations, you'll find that the grandparents had no stories. Grandma had no stories. Great-grandma had no stories. Why? Because they were stopped from telling stories. So it's not that they were not able to tell stories because they weren't there. It was the suppression. Suppression and oppression. Yes, exactly. They were so that they wanted to make sure. They meaning, I have to correct myself when I say they. So the colonizes, for example, it's a process of assimilation because this has happened throughout the world, not just here. But since I'm concentrating my work on here, so that's why I'm referring to it. It didn't help them to know these stories because you know what? That sets the native Hawaiians in this case up for rebellion. You don't want any of that. You've got to clean them up. Clean their mindset. Bring them over to the English way of thinking or the French way of thinking, whoever the colonizes. So that way you lose. You lose so much of the culture. And the beauty of all of this is that now the women are gathering again to talk about the cultures, take pride in the cultures, take the land that is theirs. Do you know in the Hawaiian, among the Hawaiian, this is their country. This is no state. This is their country. And it's been occupied. So this is very interesting. Which is true. Even though we are not a state and there is the whole part of militarization and how we are not really recognized as a kingdom, I think for Native Hawaiians, especially after Native Hawaiian revival, I think in the hearts of many, many women, this is their kingdom. It was a kingdom. There were several kingdoms. I mean, it was. What happened was an illegal takeover. You know that. Yeah, it's very true. So we're going to take a break very shortly. And we're going to dive right in into the second segment of our program. And we're going to talk more about your research and what you hope to accomplish with it. Because I know you have grand plans for it. I have plans of coming back. So we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back. My victory was finding the strength to be a champion. My victory is having a job I can be proud of. At DAV, we help veterans get the benefits they've earned. My victory was finishing my education. My victory was getting help to put our lives back together. DAV provides veterans with a lifetime of support. My victory is being there for my family. Help us support more victories for veterans. Go to dav.org. Aloha. My name is Raya Salter. And I am the host of Power Up Hawaii, which you can see live from 1 to 130 every Tuesday at thinktechhawaii.com and then later on YouTube. I am an energy attorney, clean energy advocate, and community outreach specialist. And on Power Up Hawaii, we come together to talk about how can Hawaii walk towards a clean, renewable, and just energy future. To do that, we talk to stakeholders all over the spectrum from clean energy technology folks to community groups, to politicians, to regulators, to the utility. So please join us Tuesdays at 1 o'clock for Power Up Hawaii. Let's start again. Welcome to Perspectives on Global Justice. This is your host Beatriz Cantama. And we are here with our wonderful guest, Renuka Silva. So Renuka, we were talking about your studies and what you're finding. It is reclaiming not only of cultural identity and pride among women of all ages in Native Hawaiian and entire diaspora region that you're covering. But one question I have for you is with colonization and the consistent effort to erase the memory of local people's culture through erasing of the language of traditions, during that period of time, how did Native Hawaiian history was documented since it was oral history? How do you base some of those early oral traditions in your research? OK, so there are still stories that families have. And it's only now that these ladies, these families, have found the strength, I would say, to bring out and be proud of it. Because remember, they're coming from a background where if you talked about your identities or that your native Hawaiian, it wasn't something to be proud of. So there was a time period where these people were forced to identify with other cultures. And then the Europeans, when the Europeans were here and also the researchers, they documented everything from their lands. So it's difficult. But I think there's still finding stories and chance and bringing back the aloha, bringing back the pride and talking about and reviving the fish ponds, the loypacches which I alluded to before. Because these are the transformational, but there's a long way to go because one of the reasons is that we need to get the young children involved to bring that back. The schools need to be involved, to take field trips, take them out, show them. And to include that into curriculum.  No, curriculum is this wide source. You can bring in any part of critical thinking and asking the children, giving them space to develop sometimes their own curriculum, the interest, because you know what, kids are pick tanks themselves. They're brilliant minds. They know a lot more than what we give them credit for. They have questions. And it's unfortunate this curriculum business sometimes put a stop to these questions. And no, that shouldn't, you should open their minds up, ask them, hey, you know, what are your interests? How could we, so when you open up questions that way and when you allow the students to critically think and engage, then wonderful things happen. Absolutely, I think also, going a little bit off the tension but still connected with your book and the intention of what you're doing, is that you can't even start to have the conversations about asking, what do people want to do in their learning environment if they don't learn a real history. And I feel that to these days, you know, that Hawaiian history or history of indigenous people across the globe is really not quite emphasized and taught in a proper manner, at least not in this country. And I'm not seeing much of that, you know, in Hawaii. I mean, there has been efforts, but it's still a very Eurocentric and I think in Hawaii culture, there's still a very heavy Japanese influence in the curriculum structure. So like even for a native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander child, sometimes it's really harder to even relate or to feel that moment of pride and contribution, you know, in your old land, in your old domain, because the references there are being made, just not mentioned, those oral traditions, the beauty, the majestic sides of, what is it, what is it all about to be long to an indigenous root and to be Oceania and to be connected that way? So this is where I think the DOE needs to expand and open, step out of these boxes and really work for the children. I mean, we're in an era of standardized testing and all of these other things. I mean, children have different ways of learning just because, and the arts. I mean, the first thing that gets cut, it's arts, but arts are very, very important. It teaches you compassion, it teaches you creativity, it teaches you to listen and to work and collaboration. So when you take that away from children and you sort of focus them in the direction maps and language are very important, but kids cannot just learn in vacuums of these little pods. They need the outsources, they need to be outside, outdoor education, learning about the plants and the ocean and the importance of coral. Hawaii's a perfect place for that, but I also understand that you have to have special permits and all of that. I mean, this is unfortunately part of the constraints that schools have. So there's hope for more equity and diversity, not only in curriculum development, yes. And lucky for us, there are beautiful professionals like yourself that can bring not only that light, but also the guidance to be able to help us refine current structures in curriculum development so that we can really... Well, let's see, I think coming back to... I really do feel that I belong here because I mean, I grew up here and I've traveled around the world, come here, but I'm not coming here to really say, oh, this is where we went wrong and this is who they are, but to really bring back the Aloha and to say, these are the things that we want to do and to give some sort of a voice and to work with the women who know their land better, who really have pride in their own land. So I'm just an outsource coming into be a part, be a collaborator and be really proud of the land. Absolutely, I feel many ways, our roles as human beings is to be bridges and to help with that connection and it will be the many voices that will make that shift happen. And so back to your work. I know that you have spent a great amount of your academic life studying marginalization and how the re-gendering legacy in colonial times is still impacting women and young girls, not only native Hawaii, but in indigenous culture. So my question to you is in the context of what you're doing, what are you seeing as the trends of marginalization? So how is that reflected in today's culture? What is your hope to shift that? Well, when we look at even modern women, educated women, who are paid less for the same job as men would do, in a way we have allowed that to happen throughout. I think there needs to be more voices of women supporting other women throughout. I mean, this is throughout the world, more so in the western world than really the Asian, you know, stream. But I think we've allowed that. I think we need to take a more active, more proactive, but not in a way to attack but to create more awareness and to stand up for those. And the women need to take a better stand and say, no, I don't like that, or yes, I will and follow that through. Because a lot of the times I know, I mean, they're not credited with the work that they do in the families or with wearing children and all of that. But I think there needs to be more support from women for women. That is when doors open. That is when change happens. That is when a shift happens. But if you stand back and say, well, you know, they'll do it, I don't have time, well, then that has been the legacy in a sense. But we need to change that. We need to change the perspective. So perhaps more civic engagement in the form of advocacy, in education, collaborative partnerships, which is really very indigenous, like nothing is done in that structure of Hayaki that we are known for.  Like, I mean, it was great culture here. It was great. So it's sad that that was all broken down, but it was broken down. That was the only way that these people could be ruled over by and changed. So I think women, I think all over the world, but if we are to create change, women need to come together and be supportive of each other and talk about, you know, what are the shifts and why are we doing it? We're doing it for us, for our children, for our families, for the beauty of the land, you know, so that we can feed everybody, not some people. You know, in the days of the past, there was no starvation on the island. Homelessness. Homelessness. All the connectedness. I mean, these are all modern problems. What about the modernization, you know, unfortunately? Yeah, and who was land that does not serve us for our environment can be on land as well. And on that note, I can't believe how quickly our show came to an end, but it's not an end. It's a hiatus. I hope to have you many more times with us so our viewers can continue to learn more about your findings in our ways that we can all co-create and collaborate to continue to highlight the beauty and the richness and the depth of Indigenous peoples' culture and wisdom. So thank you so very much for being here. Thank you for having me. I said that we were going to do our own together, so would you like to hold my hand? Yes. We're going to leave our viewers with a... ...own. So this concludes our Perspectives of Global Justice program for today. And until next Friday, ahue hao.


Matthew 28, 16, it says, then the 11 disciples, not 12, the 11 disciples left for Galilee, going to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him, but some of them doubted. Jesus came and told his disciples, I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I've given you and be sure of this. I am with you always, even of the end of age. You know, this is a powerful where they say the great commission where he has given us the authority to accomplish a mission. I wanna tell you right now is that one thing as I was praying and just trying to understand what Holy Spirit wanted to speak today, that he said that there are people missing in this mission and he wants to take us out, that devil, the enemy, Satan, whatever you wanna call him, has a strategy against the people of God. He is out to get us to take us out of the game so that we don't hit a home run. He wants to take you out. And I was thinking about this in the discipleship and I was thinking about the vision and how many people are missing in this puzzle? How many pieces are missing in this puzzle? And I was thinking a little bit deeper and I'm thinking, why is it that not everybody is doing this mission? He tells it very clear what to do. We don't have to pray. We don't have to be like, Lord, what have you called me to do? I mean, I'm not talking about becoming a doctor or a CEO or an entrepreneur or IT or a nurse. I'm not talking about a job. I'm talking about a mission, a purpose. And you don't have to figure it out. He said, I got it. I have it figured out for you. But what is it? What is stopping us from fulfilling the mission? Why is it that we are taking a step back or a step back and allowing only the few where the harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few? Where is everybody? Where are they? And this is not to condemn. I wanna talk to the hearts that are wounded today that there is three strategies specifically that the enemy is after you. And you are maybe one of them.  He wants you to miss out. That's the enemy's goal, it's for you to miss out. I have men countless and countless of people that I've talked to over the years through counseling women and just in hearing testimonies. And it's incredible how the enemy works for you to miss the mark, to miss the point where the father is in the home, but he is not there. He's working on a job. And then when he is at his death bed, he said, I missed it. Where the mom decides to be perfect over present, she missed it. Where the person that is, where the parents said, don't do this and the child does it anyway, he missed it. Where the person that got so busy, so occupied, they missed the morning prayers, the evening prayers, the services, they missed it. They missed the moment where Jesus wanted to talk to them, speak to them, heal them, but the enemy constantly pulls them back. And the three ways is this is what I wanted to tell you. There's three things that the enemy does to try to take us out, to take us away from fulfilling the mission. The number one is escaping the mission. And I want to talk about our lovely friend Jonah. All right, first, the number one, out of the three strategies the enemy uses to keep us out of the mission is escape. I have three E's for you today, so that you guys can remember them. I'm inspired by Pastor Vlad with all of the E's and G's and W's and all of that. And I'm gonna use this where I kind of felt like a deposit of one of the E's is escape. Jonah himself, I'm gonna just read quickly, just a little piece so that we all have a little bit of background to this story and those that wanna join us, Jonah chapter one, verse one through three. The Lord gave this message to Jonah, son of Amitai, I'm not really good at pronouncing names. Get up and go to the great city of Nineveh. Announce my judgment against it because I have seen how wicked its people are. But Jonah got up and went the opposite direction to get away from the Lord. He went down to the port of Jopah when he found a ship leaving for Tarshish. He bought a ticket and went on board and then went on to the boat. And so it literally says, I am running away from the Lord. If you read Jonah says, I am running away from the Lord. So the number one thing that keeps us away from the mission is fear. We want to escape, especially today in society that the enemy wants to create us to be fear of the fact that we believe Jesus. In society for us to hold back whatever it is that we have this fear and to run away from actually committing.  I knew it. I feared the outcome. And for some people we fear the outcome. We fear what God will ask of us to do.  I'm fear of man. I fear what man will say. I fear all these things. But, you know, we can't be servants of Christ if we fear and are enslaved by man. And that's what it says in Galatians where if we can't be servants of Christ if we are enslaved by man. And my point here is that he was not just escaping the Lord. He was escaping his destiny. He was escaping your potential.   It's that for you to see what he has in you and for you to see what he can do. So you're not just running away cause, ooh, I just don't want to commit. I don't want to go to life group. I don't want to be part of this movement. I don't want to be here. I'm just going to sit here and be a bench warmer. I'm just good right here. And that fear grips you. But we know that when Jesus comes that that fear got to be casted out. And do we have to be that people that will act in faith? I don't know the outcome. I don't know what's going to come out of this. But I do know one thing that is, if Jesus is with me, everything is going to be okay. Amen. And what's interesting about the story of Jonah that I can't help but explain here is that he told them, just cast me into the sea. He's in the ship and there was a huge storm. I mean, if you thought about it, he looked fearless. He's like, just throw me into the fish. He's in the fish's belly for three days. And I'm like, this guy is fearless. You think and like, just throw me into the sea. You know, it's the Lord that put in the storm and you're thinking like, man, you just can't escape trouble.   We are all running, but I would rather run to the mission, run to the Lord, run into his hands. Amen. So we can't outrun circumstances. We can't outrun things that will happen. But what it says about the mission, he says, I will always be with you. Amen. So even though he gives us a mission, he has a mission.  He said, I will be with you, Jonah. So he's not disappointed in your fear today. God's not mad at you that you're afraid. He's not upset and turned his back on you. He's actually with you in your fear. And he wants you to deal with it. And just to say, just abide in me. So don't allow the fear to be like, he's mad at me. He's disappointed in me. He's not disappointed. He is with you. That is his mission, that no matter what you face today, even if it's fear itself, he's with you through that. Amen. So number one is escape. He ran, but God always does the opposite to. He pursued. He ran, but God pursued him. He couldn't escape God, even though he tried to escape. God knows how to minister in our issue. So even though you're trying to run away from him, I believe that some of you guys know what I'm talking about. You keep on running back into him. You're like, I can't escape him. Why is, because he knows how he's like, you gonna escape me? You can't escape me. You trying to run? I'll run after you. Amen. The second one is excuses. Our friend Moses. Now the enemy did a great work on Moses. Five times, God himself could not convince Moses that he was a powerful man. God himself could not convince him. Think about that. What a work devil has done on his identity. What a work he has done. Five times he says, I fear that, I fear man, who am I? And I will just for background for you guys to understand the story, God calls Moses to set the people free that are enslaved in Egypt by Pharaoh and says, you are going to deliver my people. And this is what he says, Exodus 311, for those that need reference. But Moses protested to God, who am I? I appear before Pharaoh. Who am I to lead the people of Israel out of Egypt? God answered his mission, I will be with you. And this is your sign that I am the one who has sent you. And it goes on. I'm gonna skip just for time. Verse 10, but Moses pleaded with the Lord, oh Lord, I'm not very good with words. I never have been and I'm not now, even though you have spoken to me, I get tongue tied. And my words get tangled. The Lord asked Moses, who makes a person's mouth? Who decided whether people speak or do not speak here or do not hear, see or do not see? It is not I, the Lord, now go. I will be with you as you speak and I will instruct you in what to say. So many people I will talk to and say, I don't know the Bible the way you do or the way this person does. I don't have the experience. I don't have the years. Inadequacy jumps right at you, say I don't know how to pray out loud. I don't know how to do this. All those things of I am not good enough, but who am I? But Jesus says I will be with you in all things. And you can bring up every excuse of the book. And it says Moses protested against God. He protested. He felt really strongly about how much he hated himself, how he looked at himself. But God protested against his inadequacy. So I want you to see a theme that Jonah tried to escape God, but God would not escape him. Moses protested against God, but God protested against him. Do you see a theme here that any time you try to come against the feeling or an inadequacy, God is gonna come back with you and saying you can protest all you want. But I see you bigger. I see you higher.  So even if you feel ashamed, even if you will mess up, I messed up multiple times. Embarrassing moments in front of people, but there is a thing that we have to do. It's called a broken will and say not my will, Lord, but your will. And I'm gonna get there in just a second, but because of time, I wanna go now to the third one. Our friend and our prophet Elijah, the prophet who was exhausted, 30, exhausted, tired. And I feel like this ministers to a lot of people. You're just tired, carrying the weight and the burdens of life where you become stretched thin and the demands of you become greater and greater as you start to get older.  I'd say too many yeses that when it comes to God, you say no, not one more thing, Lord. So yes, yes, yes to everything else and then that no to Lord. But the thing is, is that I feel Elijah a lot. I get tired myself, but here's the thing about God. He knows how to minister. And first Kings 19, four, then he went on alone in the wilderness, traveling all day. He sat down under a sultry broom tree and prayed that he might die. I have enough, Lord. I have had enough. Take my life for I'm no better than my ancestors who have already died. And I know a lot of people focus on the fact that he was suicidal, but I just think he was just done, right? He was tired, he was exhausted. You know, I always think about how people say that like God, you know, spoke to him and said, I have this many thousands, 7,000 I believe, I might be mistaken on the number that are in hiding in the caves. And I'm like, why are they hiding? I'm that person. I'm like, why are you hiding?  But I'm like, that man, when he was on the mountain and he said, the God that will answer by fire, he accomplished such a powerful thing. I mean, whatever he says goes. I mean, that's a powerful thing and a huge responsibility. But he said that I'm the only prophet. He said that the chapter before this and he was convinced he's the only prophet. He's the only man that will serve God because no one ever showed up. He always had to take the slack of everybody else. He was carrying the burdens because those that are a few, the labor are laboring for you too because those people didn't show up and only those few did. And he was tired. He was tired of not just caring what God had for him for everybody else that didn't show up. So he's making up for their work because the enemy kept taking them out because of fear. He kept taking them out because they were inadequate. He keeps taking people out and then there's those few that said, yes, Lord, I am willing. And then what the enemy does to take those out is cause exhaustion. Say, I've had enough. I am tired. I'm tired of things changing. I'm tired of doing these things. But I wanna tell you that the God wasn't mad. That God wasn't disappointed at Elijah. He fell asleep. The Lord let him rest. And I wanna bring this up because I had a moment. I wanna use this as a personal testimony because God is always faithful. And with all this quarantine and all the things that were happening, I was tired because I didn't get less time or excuse me, more time. I got less time. I literally had almost like three jobs carrying the load but I kept doing. I was like a Martha, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. And you know, I missed the point, right? The feet of Jesus, but I was that Martha, go, go, go. And constantly at anyone's beck and call, I love to minister, I love to help people. I love to be there, be present. But I came a time where I was tired and I was exhausted and God is so good because I woke up on Saturday and I was so tired. Like I didn't even wanna wake up. Like and I don't get to that point, I don't. But I did and he whispered in my ear and said, Heidi Baker, now I know that's, it's odd. She's a great woman of God, she's a great minister but I haven't watched her for a couple of years now. And I was like, okay. So even though I was tired, I still created a strategy my friends that no matter how tired I am, I'm still gonna show up in my prayer. I'm still gonna show up and read that no matter what, I created a strategy so that anytime the enemy's after me or anytime I'm discouraged or dysfunctional that I will still show up even if I feel like the God isn't showing up. Does that make sense? And so that Saturday morning I woke up early. I was tired, I was exhausted. But I was like, okay. So I looked up Heidi Baker and I researched and there was this powerful testimony that she did. And she said one thing that the Lord used to speak to me and she was saying how I was so tired that I could not even feed myself. I was so tired that my hunger, I was so exhausted to even eat.  My passion was being squished, like being squeezed out of me if I could put it that way. And the Holy Spirit was whispering to me and saying don't allow those yeses in your life to threaten us. And I just broke and started crying and saying I need you Lord, you're my first before I say yes to anything else. And he just totally twisted it for me.  And God shows up, the angel shows up and feeds him and ministers to him. So he's tired, he's exhausted. And he said I've had enough Lord then he laid down, angel touched him and said get up and eat. See when you cannot eat, when you don't have the physical strength by yourself to help yourself, he will send people to give you what you need.  But you gotta show up. So you gotta just show up in order to have that happen. And then the angel of the Lord again, touched him and said get up and eat some more or the journey ahead will be too much for you. And then it goes where he goes onto the mountain and I wanna say this part and we'll close. But the Lord was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake but the Lord was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake there was a fire but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire there was a sound of a gentle whisper. There he was. His spirit was fragile. He was in a broken place and God didn't come at him thrusting fire, thrusting wind or earthquakes. He's like I'm not there. He came with a gentle whisper that if today your spirit is fragile, it's broken, you're hurting, you're tired. I want to let you know is that God wants to minister at your state and be gentle with you. He wants you to rest. He wants to restore you. He wants to edify you and build you up. And then it says at the end, he says, and I am with you. So all of this to say that as we're moving forward, what can I do that even though I am had this inadequacy, fear, I want to escape this. Inadequacy, I have all these excuses. Three, I'm exhausted. Lord, how do I do this? How do I overcome all of these barriers, these strategies that are against me? Is the prayer of Gethsemane, where Jesus shows us how. Jesus, the enemy tried to make him miss it. Miss the cross. He said it himself. If you can take this cup from me, if you can, he wanted to miss it. His flesh wanted him to miss the cross because he knew what was coming. But what did he do two things? Lord, not my will, but your will. Brokenness, a broken will. Lord, I don't know how you're going to do this, but I don't want to miss it. I don't want to miss what you have for me. I don't want to go into heaven and know that you missed it. I had all of this for you, all these promises, all of this abundance, but you allowed the enemy to take it. As John 1010 says, the enemy has come to steal, kill and destroy, but I have given you the life of abundance, amen? More than enough, the overflow, but you missed it. Second thing is dependency. Jesus knew where his strength came. Dependency is not a bad thing, even though society tells us we got to be independent, but dependency is knowing where your trust comes. Holy Spirit is our helper, our advocate, as it says in John 14, and he says that in those moments where you need help, be dependent on Holy Spirit to the point where you know that your help comes from him, that is how we overcome. So in the moments where you don't understand the mission, you don't understand what God is calling you to do, I want to encourage you, yes, those feelings are strong. Yes, you will feel those things, all those things, but I want to tell you one last testimony, and I want to tell you the power of missing something. I had a call one morning and I missed it. I was getting ready to go to work and there was this girl that called me and I'm like, why is she calling me this early? I missed the call. Holy Spirit says, call her back.  I listened, and she said, I made the appointment, I'm going to abort my baby. And I said, no, you're not. And I said, I'm going to meet you here at Applebee's when we could actually go to restaurants. And this was years ago. And I said, no, you're not. And so I met with her that very day and I did everything in my mind with Jesus. And I said, you're not going to abort that baby. And I said, that baby's going to be a blessing. And guess what? She's now a mother. She did not abort that baby.  That God wanted to use me. And he only calls on those he trusts. He will keep calling you and you'll be able to be able to respond because every time you respond, that impression gets stronger. When the person comes into your mind and you call them and text them and say, how are you doing? You check on that person. You respond quickly.  Because when I ask you to act, you act. And so he calls on those he trusts. And that is the biggest compliment you can receive from the Lord, the biggest.  And that enemy is going to use all those tactics to have you not pick up, for you not to show up. But he wants to entrust you with this mission. Don't miss the mission. And so don't allow the enemy to overtake you. It lives here that abundant life. And so I want to encourage each and every one of you that no matter what you're facing, if your spirit is broken, if your heart is wounded, if you are exhausted and you're fighting fear, God wants you to act in faith today and take a step and say, Lord, I don't know what it's going to look like, but I want to give it to you. I want you to be with me every single step of the way. Cause you said, I will, I will be with you in your fear. I will be with you in your inadequacy. I will protest against it. And I will be with you when you are tired. Amen. Come on. Amen. So I want us just to stand up right now. And I want us just to pray between us and Jesus. You don't have to understand everything today. You don't have to understand how it all works, but you just want to work with him. You just want to get into a place where it's just you and Holy spirit. And so I encourage you just to take this moment right now. Thank you. And I just want to call everybody just to bow their heads. And those that are here and that are new today, those that are here on live stream, the Lord is pressing on you and has been pressing on you, but you've been escaping it. What will my friends think? What will this person think? What will I have to give up your baggage? You'll have to give up those things that are weighing you down.  And so I want to call those moment right now that if you want to give your life to Christ, I want to tell you that no matter what you face in this life, it will not be alone. He wants to be with you every step of the way.  And I just pray, Lord, that you will be able just to minister to wherever they're at, those that are watching on live stream. And Lord, we give our hearts to you. Have your way with us today, Jesus. In Jesus' mighty name.


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Going on everyone Sam here with late sports cards rip in a 23 top scrim update series baseball breakers a light 10 box case number 15 Pick a team style Reopolis for names our teams Alexandros with the Cardinals Anton H Brewer's Astros Brent C with the Phillies Brian G Mets Charles a n with the Reds Charles a t with the Pirates and Rockies the Charles a take over Chris B with the Blue Jays Christopher a Mariners Christopher C with the Dodgers Evan L Red Sox Gary a Nationals Gavin K Marlins Jim G Cubs Tigers Joshua B White Sox Joshua W Rangers Kyle I raise Matt S twins Michael E with the Diamondbacks Michael C angels and Yankees Mitch D with the Royals N N with the athletics Ray G Braves Robert F Giants Ryland P Guardians Steve O Orioles and yahoo to be with the Padres So good luck here everybody Greg taking the twins guardians and marlins in number three. Thank you, Greg Appreciate that as always brother Um here we go Had truckload of bowman drafts true true Milan That is probably the smartest and yeah, that's probably the smartest thing to do is buy a truckload of bowman draft Get the scheme super real quick away.  Let's see a debut everybody Break or a super red maybe a really nice red Um, all right starting off with Juan Fenn and Machanic Refractor of Caprillion Cody Bradford Trevor Williams purple Xavier Edwards the 250 for the marlins Uh lava lamp to 175 Danny mendic going to the Mets got uh purple pink lava lamp to 299 Carlos Vargas Diamondbacks Volpe Youth Quake rookie nice one there. We've got a blue auto eggy risario To 150 for the Padres nice one there congrats pods Uh, Royce Lewis the 299 on the purple mini diamonds auto and geo or a shallow reflector There's three refractors That's a red. Oh, there's a red in there for sure. Nick Fortez rookie of grand anderson and Oswald forgot to sign this Oswald cabrera base Non-auto auto for the Anxl send an empty box and wrapper.  Well, there we go Corbin Kale refractor debut. There you go Jose siri refractor Um, so sorry about that yanks Oh, no Oswald forgot to sign the card that is brandon march 299 negative of jose hernandez For the pirates we've got lava lamp to 299 tommy fam To 125 steward fair child the reds Michael togli a youth quake rookie We got four if we get four autos in this No, we got well technically technically we got three autos in this Yeah, I technically refractor and our siso crook and then our red auto hunter brown Five for the astros hell. Yeah, man Take that all day. Hell. Yeah, let's go man. That's awesome. We'll make that one for the astros for sure All the volt be in kane's gift card. Oh, well, whoops accidentally pulled the josh when chowsky to 499 for the red stuff Sam bachman refractor rookie Conor wong and adley debut Got morrell rookie debut and kenta myeta and taj bradley Devon williams blueda 150 for the brewers Mike clevenger to 399 for the white socks action stars green paul goldschmidt So the cardinals Xavier edwards youth quake and base auto heavenly evanley for the nationals That's all that gnats. There you go All right definitive number two down to four definitive number three is down to Four as well. So four and four eight total definitive spots And just 12 total group break spots on the day That's still some good teams remaining in bowman chrome university Colorado is marked way down Outside of that there's not a lot of super expensive teams left and like florida state might still be there A few other teams as well So good luck everybody continuing on we've got jp sears Zach weiss refractor and jaco de rizzi Got nick martinez Volpe debut And gold youth quake brian rockio for the guardians the 50 Nice one there. We got carlos vargas rookie negative for the diving backs Peyton battenfield to 299 for the guardians To 125 jake bird rookie for the rockies miguel vargas rookie of grant anderson for the rangers And blue ray wave brice miller said 150 going to the Mariners number three number two again down to four diamond backs rockies marlin's rays for uh for to go deepen number number Four to go Four to go debacks again, like I said the only really expensive team still on the board for I think cold breaks Everything else is pretty like affordable if you want to jump in some definitive full three box case Yeah, the hunter brown was nasty The hunter brown was really solid They want more More all right jared shoester Michael garcia and ryan yarborough So we got one of those uh orange red lava lamps as well the tangerines. There's uh gavin stone Danny mendic Brandon williamson Last box on the left as a day so carlos calling a debut last box on the left Brandon williamson gold will smith the 50 We've got tangerine of jordan walker One of 10 going to cardinals. Hell yeah, man. Let's go There we go. Hey, greg with the diamond backs in number two. Let's go greg Thank you, buddy Nice jaywalk get that magged up Volpe to 250 nice one there for the yanks uh jordan grochans rookie Youth quake gary michael bass auto nice one there for the uh brook room Yes, sir. You know you know a kyle. Hello kyle kyle And james outman blue raywave Congrats on that one there Dodgers let's keep this going everybody good stuff Good stuff. Good stuff. You can see kyle right now. I know I saw ridders coming back to the falcons Riders coming back again for the falcons j j bladet Edward julian and jp friend. Oh, that's right. That was youth corpio. Hell yeah, dude jp friends Good stuff, dude Bryce miller rookie hose a quass rookie green youth quake michael toglia to 99 Nice one there got a blue bobby miller To 150 for the dodgers that is a riley green future stars riley green to 99 negative michael bush Youth quake rookie james outman It's a good box here for his corpio base auto taren valvera Nice one there base auto for the orioles taren valvera and blue charles leblanc to 150 true blue For the mavens Yeah, that's like dodger blue, too. It's kind of nice Dodger blue I feel like every color measures looks yeah, I agree So I love like in prism, I love the purple eyes for the ravens of the purple. Yeah LeMont wade jr Josh young rookie and patrick corvin Got shea langler's rookie Mitch garver and carrot michael Uh, urie perez to 299 for the marlins Got dillon moore to 199 for the mirrors Mike levinger to 399 for the white socks youth quake rookie of mason miller Uh base auto edward julian going to the twins nice one there minnesota And true blue michael brantley nice one there for the astros to 150 Yeah, I'm excited for stadium club baseball Yeah, spencer urie's a smart move like urie is probably the smart move from the My mind's something coming up on golden if urie for us. Yeah If we both see the same thing Tell each other at least yeah, no, I agree At least tell each other so yeah, so we don't beat each other up and do it.  There's debon williams refractor They say it gets what I got. I just I was putting a And oscar colas exactly dude I'm older than him and i'm 20.  Spencer.  That's matt moore True maggi refractor rookie and adam duval Oswald peraza to 399. Yeah, I'm excited for bowman's bass. That's always a good set. Blake sable It is really good. The supers look great. Oh, yeah for the giants Yellow patrick corbin in 75 for the gnats. Congrats nationals cow stars youth quake rookie bass auto cabrion haze for the pirates really cool one there And blue ray wave jake bird go into the rockies nice one there rocks It's good cam. I think you were on it. I think you were on the trash list yesterday We're sending it to one of the members of the trash list.  Dylan Dodd Joey Ortiz rookie and Edward Julian Sean bouchard Dominic Fletcher and david peralta. It's a 250 jake bird nice one there for the rockies It was on fanatics live yesterday morning cam. It was on fanatics live yesterday morning That is josh young to 199. Yeah, I didn't know if you knew that spencer But yeah, it's going to Spencer this week. We put it with your uh, your tiger I made sure to put it with the tiger's rig radiating rookies christopher morrell nice one there for the cubs. Congrats chicago Very nice cubs youth quake johnny burrito rookie Yanks purple auto jose cabaero for the mariners to 250 And bass auto of joey weimer the brew crew That's a firestorm you don't want to be in Oh, look at this guy now to staring at me lose his hat. What's this hat? What's he doing? It's a bot lobby out there. It is such a bot lobby out there That might be one of the biggest bot lobby's I've ever seen What's going on right now? We've got well. Well, I guess we'll just spoil that jj bladay to 499. Sorry about that ease Andrew on a stereo refractor rookie james paxton rookie church and casas rookie And now james paxton was just the bass Michael Harris rookie lewis gear may gold youth quake of johnny burrito for the inks to 50 Congrats on that Yankees Riley green to 175 for the tigers purple jerks and pro far to 250 Jason delay to 175 For the pirates on the rookie youth quake mcgallow maya Say i'm trying not to be a bot challenge impossible. Yes Very very vaughn and brian rockio for the guardians to 199 Let's heal wave is going to be our last auto very nice. Congrats on that one All right ray pick up the rangers in number three. Thank you ray four and three to go on those stew. That is awesome Let's do a quick recap here everybody. Thank you, sir We had radiating rookies of christopher morrell Gold of johnny burrito gold will smith gold brian rockio bass auto of joey weiner A cabrion haze bass auto edward julian That's taren vaughn garret mitchell rookie grant anderson evan lee Aswaldo caprero without the signature again. We sent the empty box and wrapped with the inks. Sorry about that We've gotten our siso crook up with data 499 as well as jocelyn chowsky 299 rois lewis to 250 jose cabaero to 199 is brian rockio to 150 brice miller charles leblanc eggy risario michael brantley james outman jake bird to 10 is jordan walker on the debut and then red hunter brown true red to five for the That'll do it to break everybody. Thanks again for the bill up next is definitive


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With me is Karen Rose, one of the early employees of NTIA during Hot Cans formation. Karen, tell us about those early days, if you will. Sure. Well, I originally started on the DNS issues in 1996 at the Federal Communications Commission and at the time a lot of stakeholders had been coming to the FCC as the telecommunications regulator to talk about DNS and internet issues. But with the framework for global electronic commerce that was issued by the White House, the presidential directive put the responsibility for DNS issues with the Commerce Department. So in 1997 I moved over to the Commerce Department to work under Becky Burr and continued there until 2002. We hear a lot of talk about the White Paper. What is the White Paper? Well, I think it's really important to understand that the White Paper was not created out of whole cloth. The White Paper was really the culmination of what had been quite frankly years of discussion among stakeholders about what should be done with the internet identifier system after the internet was transitioning from an academic and research network to a real platform for commerce and for the public. So for example, by the time we had issued our first request for comments about DNS issues in 1997 and then issued the Green Paper in 1998, there were a number of efforts already underway within the community addressing these issues. For example, Aaron, the American Registry for Internet Numbers, had been established as a non-profit organization to deal with the numbering resource issues for North America. So that was one model as a non-profit. The International Ad Hoc Committee or IAHC had been discussing how to introduce new top level domains and what system of governance should look like. The trademark community had been discussing with organizations like WIPO about how to handle trademark disputes. Civil Society and academia were also discussing what should be the role of civil society and the rights for individuals in domain names. So all of this had already been in discussion by the time we issued again our request for comments in 1997 and then in 1998 the Green Paper, which itself generated from the community over 1,100 comments around the world. So we were really working with, when we were creating the White Paper, great ideas coming from the stakeholder community that were already coming up from this bottom up process. So our first role in government was really to listen, to listen to the community. That bottom up process, I interviewed Ira Magaziner from the White House and I was saying what sort of acceptance did you get and he said actually we got a lot of pushback because it was so unusual because so many people had never heard of it. Was that the case? Is that your recollection? Yeah, for government especially it was a rather novel and unique process. Coming from the internet community side however it was not terribly unique. You know the internet community had always been defined by a process of discussion and debate and open bottom up decision making. For some parties, for some in business, for some in the trademark community and for some in government however it was outside traditional processes of policy making. So I think there was a bit of a culture clash and different people, different stakeholders learning how to work with with one another. But ultimately I think it came together. We also interviewed Paul Toomey and I remember him saying as one of the first leaders of the GAC, the governmental advisory committee, I wrote to every ministry of communications in the world I heard back from 36. Does that speak to the difficulty of governments, all governments in so many societies they are the last word, they are the last voice, they are the voice. In the internet governments have a voice but they are not the voice. Was that a hard concept for them to grasp? I think initially for a number of international parties and stakeholders it was. On the other hand there were a number of countries as well who were also looking at the internet and also had believed that the private sector really needed to continue to take the lead in this area. So we had a patchwork of different views on what the role of government should be from across the globe. And quite frankly I don't think that is too different from from other issues that governments tend to consider on a global and international basis. What's your most vivid memory of those early days when is there one experience or one thing that you guys had to overcome that comes to your mind? For me there were a couple of really defining moments when I thought you know this is really going to happen. The first of which I think was the signing of amendment 11 to the cooperative agreement between network solutions and the US government which I can had participated with us in negotiating. This was really the agreement that fundamentally opened up competition for domain name registration and and developed a testbed to test the shared registry registrar system. So that signing was really fundamental. A couple months later then of course there was the MOU with ICANN that was signed where we recognized ICANN as the new corporation identified in the white paper to carry this out. And then finally for me I would have to say was the actual launch of the shared registry registrar registration shared registration system which opened up competition in domain name registration. It was a real fundamental moment. At the time that you were the primary point of contact between NTIA and ICANN you were I think five or six years out of college. Were you thinking what have I got myself into or were you intrigued by this sort of unusual new model? Well for me by the time Becky was leaving NTIA and and I took up the portfolio from her I had already been working on the issues in government for four and a half years. So it was something that I was always already well steeped in. And even before that quite frankly I had a lot of experience with the online community. In high school I was very involved in online services such as D-Dial and bulletin board systems. So you were a member of the community before there was a community. Yeah pretty much and then you know and in university I was experimenting with things like Gopher and GopherNet and the early web. So even by the time I got to the government in 1996 I had a really good handle I think on on what the ethos of the community was and what it meant to be part of the internet community as well as formally studying telecommunications science in graduate school. And this was one of the reasons in 96 when I joined the FCC that I had volunteered to take up this portfolio which had left a lot of people scratching their head. You negotiated the first contract for IANA services between ICANN and the Department of Commerce February 2000. Who else was involved in these negotiations? Well it was you know the primary parties were the Department of Commerce and ICANN in that and there were lawyers from both sides from different parts of the Commerce Department and from ICANN negotiating this agreement. This contract was important but for the lay person who doesn't know our world the internet governance world I think it's fully understood. Give us a sort of 50,000 foot perspective on this. Yeah well one thing that's interesting to note is that the IANA contract was originally not envisioned. The original plan was that the USC-ISI the University of Southern California who had performed these as a part of a research contract with the Defense Department they would transfer the personnel over to ICANN and then ICANN would go off and perform the IANA functions. And they had actually signed an agreement to that effect. However there were still concerns on the part of USC-ISI with respect to legal exposure. There had been a number of lawsuits and USC had already been sued because somebody wanted to enter a new TLD in the root. So USC felt that they really wanted to have another government contract that succeeded the DARPA contract. So they could say look we're just doing this under government remit you know don't don't sue us USC if you want to talk to somebody talk to the US government sue them. ICANN itself also was very fragile at the time. You know it hadn't fully developed consensus. It was an experiment and there was also concern there about litigation coming to ICANN. If ICANN had to deal with litigation as its primary action of business rather than building itself as a community the process wouldn't go anywhere. So by having the government contract ICANN could also say you know go talk to the US government and of course the US government had a lot more lawyers and legal resources to defend itself in a lawsuit than did ICANN or USC. And finally the third point was as that backstop as kind of an insurance policy. It was an experiment. It was still in development at the time. Consensus was still being built. So we felt that if the experiment didn't work there would still be a tether where the US government could then go and assign the IANA functions to another organization to perform. But of course that was the worst case scenario and we're very glad it never happened. The IANA stewardship transition occurred a couple of years ago. There was a belief back then that it would occur much sooner. Correct. That's right. Yes I think in the white paper we had hoped that by 2000 which was when a lot of these government contracts were coming to their natural end that by that time the process could be wrapped up and we could go about other business. As we know it didn't quite happen that way. And I think one of the reasons is this is such was such a tremendously growing space. And there were so many different interests involved in the stakeholder community kept sort of changing and kept evolving that it did take a bit longer to get everything to sufficient stability. Was the greater challenge to get people to understand what the internet space was to quote Ibram Magazine or how it worked its way around obstacles or was the greater challenge to get governments to get conventional authorities to realize that this unique system that was being set up was almost necessary. I think it was all of that quite frankly. Again from a government perspective as you indicated this was not the normal course that governments traditionally interacted with one another or solved problems or solved issues. So it was definitely unique and novel on that score. But also the different parts of the community interacting with each other getting the technical community to interact with trademark owners with civil society. Almost like everybody was speaking a different language. Everybody was speaking a different language and had different expectations about what the ground rules should look like. So it really was a process of building trust quite frankly and then building and having people I think experiment with processes to go through the motion of actually working to build consensus on policies and processes together. You know that finally everyone was at a level you know to say okay we can work with this and we can take this forward. But especially given the tremendous growth of the internet doing all that at the same time took a little bit longer than anticipated. I'm curious you're here in Barcelona it's celebrating the 20th year anniversary of ICANN. What goes through your head when you're here now and you see all the sessions and all the people and in the context of what you're seeing at its earliest days. Well it's gotten a lot bigger. I can tell you that. But some of the processes are very familiar. You know after walking into an ICANN meeting being away still very familiar things that I recognize. I used to be the US GAC representative and I spent time in that meeting. I was involved with the root server committee before and went to one of their meetings today. So we see a lot of the same processes undergoing. Things have gotten bigger and what's great is I think there's a level of trust and respect among stakeholders now that was very fragile. From group to group. Is that what you mean? From group to group. I mean back in the back in the original early years again it was it was really difficult to get different stakeholders to understand each other's language whether it was the technical community or the business community. And now after 20 years I think people are pretty familiar with how each other work and they've created a new system of how to get along in a place like ICANN. It's interesting. Fadi Shahadi who was the CEO of ICANN at the time of the IANA stewardship transition told us we did a non-camera interview with him. He told us at one point he said you know there were times when I had doubts I didn't think the community could come to consensus where where we would meet this goal. For you with someone with knowledge but you're looking from the outside what were your perceptions if any? Well again I mean I guess as a person who like to think of herself as coming from the early internet community you know all of the discussion and back and forth didn't seem terribly strange to me from that perspective. This sort of bottom-up world which is is messy. You know there were there were times when things looked a little more fragile than stable but I think the community kept working together and people really dedicated to the process kept working together to you know make sure that that that it came to a conclusion in terms of the U.S. government involvement. And one of the things that really strikes me now coming into ICANN after being away for a while is people now are really discussing the issues of ICANN more rather than the legitimacy of ICANN itself. Interesting. Yeah for many years I think the real focus was on ICANN legitimacy and now it seems that that's kind of subsided and the real focus is on what are the issues at hand and how do we solve it. It's almost like you're saying okay the experiments ended we've been validated now let's get on to the work of the day. Now let's now let's get to work yeah. Interesting. What is the thing in those early days that is either the most misunderstood or simply people don't know about it in the development of ICANN? Well I think there's a lot of focus that's been put on the agreements whether it's been the white paper or the MOU or the IANA functions contract but I think the fundamental thing about making this work is trust and it was really the building of trust among the different stakeholders whether it was government or business or otherwise building trust in each other and trust in the system that people will come to places like ICANN in good faith and contribute and work on solutions. Again not that that's always going to be an easy process but it's a process that'll produce the best results. To this day I have people say to me well ICANN is basically a regulator and I'll say no ICANN is only authority the parameters of its authority are set by contracts. Yeah I would really characterize ICANN as an administrator not a regulator and in fact when we were writing the white paper in the policy you know we specifically said we're not setting out to encourage an overall system for internet governance or for DNS governance it's really an administrator and you know one of the reasons why it works is because you know people come here and they trust that ICANN is going to be able to provide the services that need to be provided for the internet and that this is the place to have the discussions to develop the policies which ICANN will then administer. Let me ask you this the official articles of incorporation for ICANN the initial draft were filed with Secretary of State's office in California September 30th. There were various amendments after that but that was the initial filing. Very soon thereafter John Postell unexpectedly died. How big of a wrench in the works was that? It was really devastating devastating on a personal level you know and losing someone that was so instrumental to the community. It was really up to the community to really carry this forward but you know not relying on someone who had some moral authority within the community was was obviously a devastating blow. When you and Becky were working together what was the biggest issue that you felt like you had to overcome was it one merely of acceptance? I couldn't give you one there seemed like there there was an issue sort of every day whether it was you know governments really concerned about CCTLD administration whether it was John's redirection of the route whether it was you know another lawsuit over over trademarks. There was something every day that seemed to emerge which which kept it really exciting I have to say and and kept it going but I couldn't really name just one to be honest. Okay that's fine Karen Rose thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us we appreciate it. Thanks for the opportunity.


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