We are back Friday afternoon, just at 2 o'clock and we're here on H244, which is about our bill on the natural organic reduction. And Katie's here. Katie spent some time talking to OPR and others perhaps, but I did want to welcome Carolyn. Maze is here. Carolyn, are you still there? I am. Hello. Thank you. Good to see you. So we, I don't know if you followed the testimony last week at all, but there were a couple questions that came up and it came up. One of them came I think from our friend Chris Polano from the funeral directors, and, and which was specifically to the point where, with, with remains, if a family leaves remains behind, our state law says that the funeral directors have to hold onto them for three years before they can dispose of them differently. And that naturally led to the question, what do you do with a cubic yard of human compost remains if the family, if the family doesn't pick that up? And so we just wanted to, given the limited experience that that's happened with this, with this method of disposition, we wanted to ask you, is that, is that something that you're, you know, is in a contract? Is that something that's in the understanding of, you know, will our funeral directors, you know, if they're unlucky, have a cubic yard of compost so that they have to take care of for three years? Right. That would be a problem, especially because it's a live thing, right? We don't want to be holding that for three years. The intention is for it to be returned to the environment. And so in our contracts, we have it very clearly laid out that any soil that is produced is donated to our restoration projects, and that the family can elect to receive a portion of soil, and that can be anywhere from one to five containers. There are about kind of four by six inches high, 32 fluid ounces, containers worth of soil. And if a family were to not collect those, if they elected to receive those, and they did not collect them within 90 days, that that portion of soil would also then be donated to our restoration projects. And so that's included in our contracts. I would imagine that that most operators would do a similar sort of setup. We could retain a portion or two of soil for a longer period of time because it is essentially the size of an urn, right? So that is much more manageable. And if we were to retain it for more than 90 days, I think we would want to put it through a further sterilization process where we would reduce the moisture content so that it would be more stable over that longer time period. So that's, I think the key thing here is that if I were to come to an organic reduction center, that I am actually signing a contract that includes this proviso in it. And so that is the first step there. I guess I'll just go over to Chris Palermo who's anticipating my question, I'm sure, or has a question or an answer to this question. So Chris. So good afternoon everyone. That's a similar process that we go through when we work with independent crematory. We have a cremation authorization form that we go over with a family stipulating what happens during the cremation process and such. So from a funeral home point of view, we would get a form from the natural organic reduction facility. We would go over that contract with the family. They would sign off on it. So whether the facility itself was serving the family directly or a funeral home was servicing the family coming to that facility. We would come in hand with that contract which would indemnify both the funeral home as well as the facility moving forward. It's good to hear Carolyn speak to that. I think that brings some clarity from both providers point of view as well as the family or the consumer point of view of what happens to this cubic yard or more of compost that remains. So I appreciate that insight. And Chris, while we have you. So what are the circumstances of you receiving remains that the family then never comes back to pick them up? What are those circumstances like for you in terms of you've been contracted to handle the disposition of someone and yet the transaction isn't complete because regardless of whether you've been paid or not, you still have the actions. Right. So I can tell you what I did in my practice and I can tell you that after 41 years when I retired, I had no unclaimed cremator remains in my funeral home. I'm not sure that that's true for every facility in Vermont or nationwide. But I made it clear with families that they needed to actually come and receive the ashes within 30 days of the cremation. And there's no, I mean, there's not a funeral home around that's going to say, well, before you can have your family member back in terms of cremator remains, you need to pay us. My stipulation with the family is that this is your family member. You need to be responsible for them moving forward. So within 30 days, you need to make arrangements to come and pick them up. If not, you would be receiving notice from us where we would actually be sending you the cremator remains to a designated shipping point, whether it's to your home address or to another family member. But ultimately, you need to be responsible and you need to receive these folks. They are your family. And it worked well for me for over four decades, understanding that we're, we don't want to have the liability or long-term responsibility of holding those remains. And then the cases where a funeral director does have the remains, again, we have statute that says abandoned remains must, you know, you have to hold them for what, three years and then find a place to dispose of them. That's correct. And I can tell you, and I can tell you what we do, and this is really more very germane to the office of chief medical examiner. The Vermont funeral director's association on an annual basis receives the unclaimed cremator remains that have been in the OCME's office for over three years from the date of cremation. And we made provisions both at Resurrection Park and South Burlington as well as Oak Hill Cemetery and Bell's Falls to enter those ashes so that they have a final resting place. But if a family member five years down the road comes and reaches out to us and says, you know, I didn't realize my great grandfather died and we would like to have those ashes back. We can make provisions to return those ashes so they're protected in the ground in a burial vault so that they can have them back. But at least for no other reason, we've made those provisions and it gives every funeral home as well as a natural reduction facility, you know, hopefully they don't run into this problem, but the ability to bring final resting place for both cremator remains as well as NOR. So again, because this doesn't yet exist, right, as a form of disposition, I mean it's we're at the point of saying that a contract right now, especially for this, I mean worse, this isn't, this is, I don't want, I guess it's a niche, it's a niche market, you know, it's not going to be for everybody, not everybody's going to choose it and I can make an assumption that if you do choose it, then you're enthusiastic about it and that you're not going to leave your loved one behind. But the question of course, in the worst case scenario as we always do our work is do we, for the committee's, you know, contemplation, do we need to, do we trust that there's going to be a contract between the, you know, the organic reduction center where that's taken care of and leave it at that, you know, and just treat it as if it remains otherwise. That's a question for us to handle. Caroline, another question that I recall from our conversations was the determination and on the handout that you sent us last month, if you have a small print, that there are limitations on people who remains that can be composted and I'm just curious, and that's probably a question that may be set in rules by our Department of Health. How did, how did those, how did those particular words end up on, up on that, your handout? Right, that's taken directly from the Washington State regulations and so I believe they're put in place by the Department of Health here and it seems like something that is common sense that we would, even if it wasn't regulated as such in other states, that we would stick to that stipulation anywhere that we were practicing. Okay, I'll ask your question. I'm sorry I missed the beginning so it may be redundant. I did have a couple of concerns. One, one certainly pertained to the non-collection of, of the remains and I think it's been discussed. I came in in the conversation. I, I do have a concern about, if I myself am very enthusiastic about this and prepay my, my end expenses so that this is how I'm going to be taken care of, have I now obligated my loved one to figure out how to remove a cubic yard of material that weighs potentially 1,000, 1,500 pounds from somewhere and take it somewhere. I'm really unclear on that step of the process and also just the cost in perspective of funeral expenses of, of, of how, not just the process itself but again the cost of claiming the material and, and taking care of it. Do I, you know, can I put it around the tree in my backyard or do I have to have a space that's accepting a cubic yard of material that I know in the bill it speaks to permit disposition, location of the body's permanent disposition and time and manner of its removal. So there is some sense in our statute of recognizing where human remains are. So I just, I really have some real broad questions there. Yeah. So to your, your first point around, if you were to do a pre pre need plan with a, an organization, it would depend on who that provider is. And so just speaking from our organization and how we have approached it, every one of those contracts would assume that the full portion of soil is being donated to restoration projects. And so that cubic yard of soil never becomes an obligation for that family to take care of. The person who's making the plans can elect to receive portions of that, that soil back. And that would be anywhere from one to five 32 fluid ounce sized containers. So it's really much more manageable. And they would be putting in place an address for the person who is what we call the authorized recipient. And so that authorized recipient would receive one to five of these containers. They could also say, I elect to not receive those. And then they would have, they would receive nothing. So it's really quite flexible. The other major providers of NLR in Washington take a similar approach. And so in all of those instances, they have either partnerships or own conservation land where they are working on restoration projects. And so the soil always has a home and a good use. And so that's how it's been handled here. I think your question, you raise an interesting question of, is it, is it fair to assume that other operators would take a similar stance? And I can't really answer for that. But as an operator, we do want to always have that kind of plan in place to make it easy for our consumers. Because I do think that many people will be hesitant to sign up for something where at the end, you would be responsible for a cubic yard of soil. Regarding your other question around uses, in the state of Washington and in Colorado and Oregon, it follows the same sort of clauses for the disposition of cremated remains. So if you were to scatter, for example, on private property, you would need the consent of the property owner. Well, I just, I was curious, when you spoke of the restoration projects, it does bring to mind, again, so often so many of these questions have a, where's the chicken, where's the egg, but, you know, how much land and what would be an example of the restoration project that would potentially be the recipient of a substantial amount of bodies to begin to see a need for this or an ability to make use of this material? Right. So in Washington, the land that has is being used ranges anywhere from five acres to over 750 acres. And the restoration projects are generally, there are some reforestation projects. There's some conservation projects where one of the organizations is working to rehabilitate an area that's a salmon run. And so they're doing a lot of work there. In our instance, it's mostly reforestation. So we have a piece of land that was logged and that has a lot of invasive species that are growing on it now. And so the plan for us would be to remove invasive species and to replant native species there. And we've done our own calculations as to kind of how much land you need, how many acres you need per processes, if you're assuming like a one inch of compost application to three to six inches to integrate into the soil. And so I would presume that others would take a similar sort of approach. Thank you. That really brings to mind for me that I think that there'd be a very natural connection with our agency of natural resources who are looking into many of these things. And that, you know, that needs to be in place before you tell someone the service is available for them. There has to be that end spot. And I appreciate you gave Washington sites. I think we might have similar layer in Vermont, but I have not heard them identified. So thank you. Percent of trial. So is it anticipated that some, or I don't remember thinking that it was mandated, but that some cemeteries will have compost gardens to accommodate remains. Is that anticipated? And how would that work? Again, it wouldn't be mandatory, but it would be suggested, maybe. We've had, I've had conversations with green burial grounds here in the state of Washington where I could see us partnering together at some point. What I think would be really amazing is to have a list of places that a consumer could choose what resonates most with them. And that's where I see this hopefully going is that we can can offer multiple options and have partnerships with green burial grounds and other places so that, or even traditional burial grounds if they were to set aside a certain place for this, if there have had other family members who were buried there, so that you can have sort of this connection across generations. I think there could be a lot of really interesting things that we could develop. Yeah, that sounds great. All right, any further questions for Carolyn right now? I wanted to bring Katie McLean in. Hi, Katie. Hi, nice to see you. Nice to see you too. So we had the questions that we had put before you was to contact, to be in contact with OPR and we had a short conversation yesterday where you've made some connections someplace but we have a couple of questions to answer that you might have questions that you may have for us in terms of policy or direction that we have. But if you could just fill us in first of the conversations, is everything clear with OPR and perhaps the Department of Health for what we need to know on this bill? Sure. So I did have a conversation with OPR and I think one of their concerns was expressed to you as well. And that was having multiple types of licenses. As you remember, the bill is introduced. We sort of were trying to create this parity. So if we were talking about a crematory establishment, then we're also talking about a natural organic reduction facility and having that parity in a new license type. And their proposal was, instead of having these multiple license types, is to instead just use a general term of disposition facility. And that would cover, there'd be a license type, regardless of the mode of disposition that was being practiced to that facility. So it could cover cremation, alkaline hydrolysis, or natural organic reduction as redrafted in the amendment that I put together for you today. So that's a change in the amendment throughout the amendment throughout all three chapters of using this general term disposition facility. So that is sort of the main conversation I had with OPR. And then I did double check with David Englander of the Health Department to confirm that it was the Health Department's plan where this piece of legislation to pass that they would use rulemaking to, for example, carve out a group of people who might have certain conditions or certain diseases as not being eligible for natural organic reduction. And he confirmed with me via email that that is the process they would take where this to pass. Okay. And we had a fund, there was a one, at least one fundamental, and maybe correct me if there's more, but there was the one fundamental issue that came up when you did the first walkthrough of the difference between a cemetery and a burial ground. And and the option for us is to either not address that because it might require quite a bit of testimony in terms of in terms of what the culture is. Can you review that for us? Sure. So if you remember when we first walked through the bill, I was kind of talking about how it was also a cleanup bill of these statutes. And throughout, particularly in Title 18, the words cemetery and burial grounds are used interchangeably most often, there's also a few references to graveyards that seems to be used interchangeably with cemetery and burial ground. So the bill is introduced, attempted to sort of clean that up a bit and select one term. And then, while I was walking through the bill, there were concerns that maybe there was something different meant by burial ground, and that really we needed to pull that apart a little bit before just making a sweeping change. So what the instructions I followed when putting together this amendment that I have for you, I think it's posted on your website, is to really streamline the technical corrections piece. And I tried to take out everything in the bill that wasn't specifically related to natural organic reduction. So all of the sections that make a change from cemetery to natural burial ground, I pulled out of this draft and really focused on allowing for natural organic reduction and using that term disposition facility to cover many modes of disposition. So that's really what you'll see in the bill or in the amendment. And I guess it's worth adding that in doing this, I also pulled out the idea of scattering gardens, thinking that that was maybe outside what the committee wanted to focus on with natural organic reductions. Now, as you are speaking, I sort of heard the concept come back. So I'm not sure how the committee wants that handle. It could be added back in, but for now, in this amendment, it has been pulled out. Well, we took the testimony on scattering grounds that, again, recently just about what made that our local veteran cemetery, we needed an activity permit in order to create one. But I'm not sure that Carolyn's testimony points out that, I mean, there could be a scattering garden anywhere, except for the veteran cemetery. At least that's how I'm reading those rules right now. Representative Clarke in that trial. Thank you, Sharon. And thank you, Katie, for doing all this work. If I understood what you did by kind of narrow casting this, do we still now have a misalignment in other statutes about cemeteries, burial grounds, disposition that you would have to have another bill to clean that up? If you wanted to clean that up, I mean, I suppose you could do it now that I don't know that a decision has been made one way or the other, but this takes that conversation off the table and maintains the status quo in the statutes. But if we pass this amended one we're looking at today, this now is not consistent with other things that you were trying to make consistent. Is that right? No. So basically this bill is amending existing statue. It's really not creating new sections of law. So we're not adding to the existing, we're just maintaining sort of the existing inconsistency, I guess. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. Appreciate it. Representative Frano. So Katie, thanks again, yeah, for doing all this work. A disposition, the definition of disposition facility, would that include a traditional enbalming funeral home? The definition in the bill separates that out. So there's well, there's traditional like funeral services and that falls under its own definition and its own license. In Title 26 in this draft has disposition facility just covering cremation, alkaline, hydrolysis, and natural organic reduction as one license. One license for all of those. Correct. Okay. And the other, I remember the bill as you walked us through it had the whole piece about the Veterans Cemetery and that was taken from the bill that we passed two or three years ago, allowing for unclaimed cremated remains to be entered in the Veterans Cemetery. So my question is since apparently Bob Burke has told us that it's not possible to do that without an Act 250 permit, which couldn't take his estimate of six months, we all thought was pretty optimistic, I guess. But so should we remove that section from the bill entirely? Should we remove all the language from the Veterans Cemetery from the bill? Maybe we should take another look at it as we go through. I just want to make sure I understand the issue. The issue is that to add a scattering garden, it would require an Act 250 permit. Is that right? So now this draft removes language about scattering gardens altogether. You might think that that was the wrong decision and want to add it back in and create a carve out for the Veterans Cemetery. But this version now omits the concept of a scattering garden. Okay. Okay. Yeah, and I think the bonus of that is that, again, if it's only the Veterans Cemetery that has to apply for an Act 250 permit for this purpose, any other cemetery that chooses to accept compost and remains can form one. Right, doesn't have to. Yeah. If there's not a cemetery, if it's another piece of land that does have an Act 250 permit, they'll have to deal with that, perhaps. But I think we're also far enough down the line that if, I think Bob testified that if there's a market, if people start asking for it, then that's when they would go ahead and apply for Act 250. Chris? Yeah, and I would concur with that. I think that the language now in the bill says that if they qualify and it's available, then you could do that. It doesn't mean that two years from now or a year from now that that might not be available in the VA cemetery. So, from the field director's point of view, I would encourage you to leave it in the statute. If it's available, they'll be able to provide that. If it's not, they won't, but at least the provision is there so that at some day or at some point it's available. They would be able to do it without having to come back and add this to legislation. And the same thing is true for the OCME's office. The likelihood that they go through a process where they have a body in your care that's unclaimed and natural organic reduction was the least expensive method of disposition. Is that cubic yard of soil going to go back necessarily to the OCME's office because they have custody of those remains or responsible through statute? I would suggest that you leave that in there as well because until that's available, that's not going to be the choice, but someday download it maybe. So I think the way the language is, the way Katie's done it, I think makes sense because we can't predict the future. No, we cannot. Any further comments right now?  Committee, are there any other issues that came up from the last conversation? Those are the only ones I saw in my notes regarding this process, regarding regarding the guard, regarding what happens if people don't want their, I mean, because it sounds like it sounds like from Carolyn's testimony that it's set up in a way that says that most people are going to donate most of that, but that there's a known way of disposing of the compost that I represent of Kallaki, Watson, and Murphy. Thank you, Chair. Chris, I just want to make sure I understood what you said. Are you saying that Katie's amended version that's on our committee website is the one you feel is a stronger, more focused version? Or are you saying there's elements in version one that need to be put into this amended version? I think that Katie's amendment appeared to me to just sort of clarify rather than to talk about multiple disposition facilities. It's just the disposition facility. Other than that, I didn't see any other language change from the original bill. Well, it's 20 pages shorter. Well, that's why I got confused, Chris. And the scattering grounds are now out. I thought you said it was good to keep them in. So if you're good with version two, that's all I need to hear. Yes. Great. Thank you. I'm trying to remember if there's a remaining question on moving the remains. Remember the issue of somebody dying outside of Vermont. That's a Department of Health rule. I think we determined that that was a Department of Health rule that they determine how to classify that. That's my memory of not that we assess the money from the Department of Health, but I think we've heard that the Department of Health's departments of health in other states are the ones that set those rules. They set those rules because I remember there was also a question. If you die in a state that does not have a natural reduction, that could be an issue. Right. Yeah. So if the Department of Health is going to take care of it, fine. It's I would imagine, I think, and I think Chris Blermo spoke a little bit to this in one of the testimonies over the last couple of weeks that those rules are, in place for the existing rules in that, in that tone. I'm going with regulation over statute on stuff that we don't know about yet. So I'm fine with living up to the Department of Health and working out with the other states. Well, just to follow up on that, that potentially the result is you'll have to get your body home, get your body back. And that's where the process takes place, that wherever you die, you have to have the body shipped home and then you have it taken care of because the states don't have that service. They're not going to just institute it because you died there. So that's just one thought. But what my real question about was also the follow up on, you know, donate, most people would donate their remains and no known way of disposing. And I'm very concerned with that when we have no idea if there's anywhere that's put themselves forward is wishing to receive this and the A&Rs in any way, cleared restoration areas that we're trying to build up as a place for this. And is that, I guess the question for us is, is that something we need to, you know, when there's no businesses, when there's no market yet, when there's, when there's no business that's come in to apply for the appropriate permits anyway? Is that an issue now? Or is that that we want to have more information on? Or is it something that we deal with when there's actually a business that's applying to business here? I think it's an issue at the beginning because I think you can't offer a business an opportunity if you don't know for sure that there's a disposition that allows that business to occur. You know, so many ways you can start at the end of the beginning, but I just think that this is something where there's a lot involved in what occurs with what's left. And I think that we just have to get, even if it's just asking A&R to spend a moment looking at it before the surely gets developed, I just. So to Carolyn, so how do you build a relationship? You mean with the land agency? Is that a question? Yes. Yes. So we've, we've proactively reached out to, for example, the Washington Department of Natural Resources to see if there are products that we could work on with them. It's a long process and we have reached out to over 20 different land trusts to also work out relationships with them. We are in ongoing conversations. I think that those will take probably a year or two because you have various boards of directors and getting everyone on board and then you have to communicate to people who would, any constituents who might be affected by it because you want to be very clear about where you're using this compost, how it's being used, making sure that everyone's comfortable with that and on board. And so I see that being a multi-year process for us, which is why in the meantime we have purchased private land that we'll be using so we don't have to go through that process, which is the same thing that other providers have done as well. But we'll continue those conversations because I think it could be really fruitful and really useful and very meaningful for people to have established places that are really beautiful places that they can go back to again and again. So we would love to see that develop, but I think that those relationships are just going to take some time and it's going to take a while to become comfortable with this use case. And just when you speak of reaching out, you're still referencing Washington state? All Washington state, yes, yes. But not Vermont, you haven't begun initial discussion for you. No, it takes a lot of time and effort and so we wouldn't start doing that and we wouldn't be putting the horse before the cart. Thank you. Representative Hango? I was just occurring to me when Representative Murphy was asking her question about timing of all of this. To me, I kind of thought it was simultaneous that the company that wished to do this was ready to go, we're going to pass a law and enable this to happen and then they were going to go through whatever permits or whatever they needed to set up their business. So this is a little bit new to me that nobody's even considering doing this yet. So I thought it would be a simultaneous process. I mean, I certainly don't mind being prepared ahead of time, but I just wondered what the immediacy of this is. Like how soon do you expect that somebody's going to want to set up this type of disposition facility in Vermont? Is that a question for me? I think so. Thank you. Yeah, happy to. So it can take some time to go through the rulemaking process and so as a private organization, we would likely wait to see what rules are actually implemented to make sure that it's feasible to do business. And then finding the land to either build a warehouse or rent a space out takes a little bit of time. And then again, finding land to either partner with someone who has existing land and use cases or to buy our own and work with a conservationist to actually develop a plan for that land. All of that stuff takes a good amount of time. In most of the states that have passed legislation, there's usually a six month to one year process of rulemaking before it actually is allowed to go live. So I think if the legislation were to pass all of those other research pieces would start so that when it actually goes live, that a company would be within six months of being able to then launch. Just because it costs a lot, it's a huge investment that you don't want to start making if there's any uncertainty about your ability to actually operate. Thank you. So it sort of seems like it's a chicken and egg type thing, but I guess my question was do you, does your company have an interest in establishing a facility in Vermont? You think it'd be very interesting, yes. Thank you. Representative Blumlee, that philosophy. You know, it seems to me what this is is kind of enabling legislation, right, that says, you know, this is yet, this is another form of disposition that the state will approve and that we, I can admit, I can very much imagine being a company and not wanting to invest all the time and effort in getting the Department of Health to try to come up with rules when there is no enabling legislation. And so, and you know, and so I guess I'm wondering, are we willing to, I do think you're, you know, you and Representative Murphy are kind of right about, you could, you could go either way, though I imagine that making, you know, preparing the state for, to, you know, for business in a certain area, certain field is a part of what we do and in the legislature. And we don't spell out all the rules. So, I guess I'm less concerned about the unknowns because I feel that we will be engaged in those kinds of conversations once we've said this is something that we can envision for Vermont. Representative Pluss. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And this question may have been asked already. I forgot it. What is, or has anybody checked into the actual interest level of Vermonters that would want this part for a burial for their family members? I know that it was an interest of a company maybe to commit and do it, expensive, all that could stop, but what's the interest level of the individuals or monitors that might lie to this? I would throw out, if anyone was interested in opening a business, that part of that business would be doing them whatever surveying they would need to do in order to justify, I think the last time we were here we talked about maybe Vermont is, you know, maybe it's regional, maybe it's Northern New England, that there's one center for this. But that's how I would just approach it, is that the business would be, as all business people are, if it's up to their due diligence to decide whether or not there's interest in the process. Right, and I agree with that, Mr. Chair, totally, but I'm just wondering, has anybody actually put the feelers out here to the people to see if there's any interest of our citizens that would even want this? Obviously, we would have to come from a business to see a business interest in providing a service. I was wondering if it was ever done, no matter if this is all plain pure speculation. It sounds like to me that it's setting up the court, or setting up the system, and then we'll see. I don't think there's a good answer for that representative right now, I just don't think that there's an answer period on that. Representative Clacky Murphy? Well, the lead sponsor of this bill is a representative of Partridge, and she is the one who has been championing this for a while now, and this was brought forward from people who are interested, and she is personally interested in this. Actually led by people who want to have this option available for themselves and for Vermonters, and we already have passed another law that we had another kind of disposition that hasn't been implemented as well. It's just a way of giving Vermonters options, and no business can stake any of this out unless versus it's possible to do because it's such an enormous time. But this wasn't led by businesses, it's led by individuals who are interested in this option for themselves. And so in the hallway, just talk to Representative Partridge about it. JP, she's very excited about it. Representative Trinnell? So this question is for Carolyn. As part of your development, have you reached out to private landowners to see if there are folks that we're willing to, we'll have large tracts of property or even medium size, but would be willing to use this compost in a way that would be acceptable to family members? We have not personally reached out to any private landowners, largely because it was just easier for us to find our own land and project, but I think that certainly is something that we could do down the line. Carolyn, the land that you bought to take on the remains, is that classified a cemetery? It is not. Okay. And for us, the remains are tested and environmentally sound to be used to be placed back into the environment. And again, the compost is not no longer human. It's truly biologically molecularly compost, and the family's all consent and fill out the authorization for the use and disposition up front. Okay, great.  Did you still have a question or comment? No, I think that Carolyn answered the question quite well. So no, I'm fine. Great. Thank you. All right. So next steps for the committee is to reach out, I think, to A&R. We'll reread the amendment on our own for homework, just to see what, I know I need to reread it. I haven't looked at it since Katie presented it to us, but we'll work on seeing if A&R has an interest in talking about what the processes are for accepting this kind of material on where they need to permit a facility to just, whatever it takes to find out what their interest is. I'll reach out to A&R. We're going to spend a little bit of time scheduled after next week on this next Friday, I believe Friday is organic reduction day here in the committee this year. But let's just go with that and we'll be done for today with this little bit of stuff. So Carolyn, thank you again. Chris, thank you again for being here on the wall. Katie, thank you for your work so far. And we'll see where we are with the scheduling and you'll see it posted and we'll go from there. So thanks, everybody. Ronnie, you can stay alive for a minute.


Aloha and welcome to At The Crossroads. I am your host, Keisha King, and you can find me at The Crossroads every Wednesday, live at 5. You can find us on Facebook at the Think Tech Hawaii channel, and you can find me at ThinkTechHawaii.com. And after the show, you can find me on YouTube at the ThinkTechHawaii channel and on the At The Crossroads playlist. You should like and subscribe there so you can catch me every week and watch it over and over and over again. I want to thank you all for being with me each week where we keep all of our shows real and relevant. We have conversations with some of the most amazing people throughout Hawaii and throughout the country, even abroad. Today is no exception to that. We have the wonderful privilege, honor, and just sheer joy of sharing with someone who's making a huge difference in Hawaii as we celebrate International Women's Month, National Women's Month. We have International Women's Day coming up this Friday, May 8, March 8, 2019, where women all over the world will celebrate just everything female-related, all of our accomplishments, where we are now, and where we hope to go. And today, our show is entitled Women in Power. Beyonce said it so well. Who runs the world? Girls. We're going to talk about all the women who've made significant, or as many women as we can fit in 30 minutes, who have made a significant difference. And today, we have a very powerful woman who is going to share with us. We have none other than civil rights attorney, Daphne E. Barbie Wooten. Hello, Daphne. Aloha to you. Aloha. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you for inviting and having me. It is totally my pleasure and it's my honor.  Indeed, you are. And you look amazing. Oh, thank you. Just a little bit about what I'm wearing. I am curious. You chose white. White. Well, if you recall, first of all, this is a very historic time in the United States history. We have a record number of women in Congress and in the Senate. If you recall during the State of the Union address, many of them, Congresswomen and Senator females, wore white. And many people didn't know why. And so I'm going to tell you why. Please do. It's for the suffragists that fought for the right for women to vote. And that's in the 19th Amendment, which was only enacted in 1920. You know, that's not that long ago when you think about it. It'll be 100 years next year. Yes, in 2020. But it was actually 1919. It was ratified. And then Congress passed it in 1920. And so many of the women who fought for the women's right to vote were white. So women who were out there in the Congress and Senate wore white to commemorate the historic significance of women fighting for the right to vote and not only getting the right to vote but for voting and for actually becoming politicians and elected officials. And as we know, even Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Pelosi, I'm sorry, she is the first female Speaker of the House. Yes, it's in our lifetime. That's right. We are witnesses to history in the making, right? With her in that position. It is a great honor just as a woman and the work that she's doing. It's been phenomenal. It is very powerful. She's the third in line to the presidency. That's right. Think about it. This is really, really historic. So yeah, truly, truly. So women's suffrage is what amendment was that now? 19th amendment? Yes. Okay, so we're going to spend some time talking about that a little bit later on in the show. Okay. Right now, I want you to take us down to a deeper part of history. Let's talk about ancient history and some of our ancient queens. Yes, absolutely. We have to start with Mother Africa because all of human beings and all of life was in Africa. So one could say we are all Africans. That's right. Many want to deny it, but Lucy is in Ethiopia. Okay. Discovered in Ethiopia. And so we have pictures. Yes. I'd like to talk about some of the powerful women that we should know, begin to know and do know. And we'll know after you hear this show. The first one, I believe it's Queen Nzinga. We have a picture of her. There she is right there. All right. Queen Nzinga is from Angola. During her lifetime, the Portuguese decided to colonize the area which is now known as Angola. Queen Nzinga fought against the Portuguese colonization. The Portuguese were one of the first exporters of slave or slavery. And they chose Angola and they started to kidnap and steal Africans, bring them to the Caribbean, bring them to America, bring them as slaves. And Queen Nzinga said we need to stop this. Her brother, who was the king, was stolen and put into slavery by the Portuguese. And so after he got taken for slavery, he said, nope, we're going to round up. And she rounded up not just women but men and started to fight against the Portuguese. She killed many Portuguese who were there. She stopped many a person from being a slave. Unfortunately, eventually she was captured. But she's a heroine. We all should revere her name. We should look up more information about Queen Nzinga in Angola. There are statutes of Queen Nzinga in her honor. And so she's one of the people we're going to talk about today. The second is my personal favorite. If you can actually pick a favorite. This is Pharaoh Hatshepsut. Okay. Now, second picture. Yes. I didn't say Queen because she wasn't a queen. She was a Pharaoh. What does Pharaoh mean? The seat of power. The seat of power. They call it king in English vernacular. But it's actually Pharaoh, the seat of power. And she ruled Egypt in the 18th dynasty. Through her rule, it was a time of peace. Instead of embarking on war with neighbors such as Nubia, Sudan, what she did is she entered peace treaties and they went entered into trade with each other. So it was a time of prosperity in Egypt. Queen Hatshepsut also was a builder. And they say her lover was her main architect. And he would build these outstanding phenomenal temples. And if you go to Egypt today, you will go across the Nile to the Valley of the Kings, not Queens, Valley of the Kings. And you will see this amazing building in Hatshepsut's building. It has columns. It has architect. It's one of the world wonders of architectural wonders. It has statues of Hathor, the goddess of love, of beauty and art all over it. So it's made out of marble. And it's just an amazing, amazing building in honor of Pharaoh Hatshepsut. And they say they have not found her body yet in her tomb. Had they not found her tomb? Some people say, oh, well, it was hidden somewhere else. And some people say they discovered it. But there has been no definitive finding of her. But she was very well known. And you will see obelisks in the Temple of Amen Ra that she built. You will see they're made out of pink marble. And the statue that I showed you was made out of pink marble as well. And we got it from the Cairo Museum, took the picture in the Cairo Museum. I think this is so fascinating. But I'm a little bit disturbed because we're both highly educated women, especially you. All of this ancient history that I have learned about, I've never heard of these two women. And I think we go without, it goes without saying that a lot of this history is not taught in school. But I did learn a lot about the history of that time. And yet I still didn't know about these two women. Well, you know, actually, I went to, I was a lawyer at the time, and we went to Egypt. And that's how I found out more about Farah Hatshepsut. And I was like you, I was in shock. Why wasn't I taught this in college? Why was somebody taught this in high school? Yes. And so dig more deeply. And they know about Farah Hatshepsut in Egypt. I see. But in America, they don't. But there are some people, historians and historians that are doing books now about Farah Hatshepsut. And I think you mentioned a book that you're reading now that has something about her. I am. I am the book that I'm reading. And I want to say this to my book club followers. I try to read about a book in a half a week. And I want to say that this book that I'm currently reading where I did find out about her is called When Women Rule the World. I don't think it ever stopped. But it talks about six ancient queens. And so I don't have the author's name right now. But I will find it off camera. And I'll mention it again at the end of our show. But it's so amazing that you can. Education never has to stop. And so you can continue your education and move in the direction of continued learning. So continue teaching. And you should continue the education. You know, everybody's heard of Nefertiti. Right. She wasn't a queen. And she was. Nothing compared to Farah Hatshepsut. The real powerful women. And you can find them. But why don't they put them in the books in America? Who writes the books? Yeah. I mean, if I was writing the book, she'd be on the cover and she would be highlighted. So you do have to dig deeper to find books that celebrate you. Books that you can identify with. And not just regular books that hide and cover up the deep history of women of color. That's right. Okay. All right. Moving on. Let's look at picture number three. This one is really exciting to me. Yes, she is. She's a good one. And there she is. Yaya Shantewa. Yaya Shantewa, let me tell you about this fierce woman. Talk about power. She lived in the 1800s, late 1800s. She died in the early 1900s, right about the time that the 19th Amendment became enacted in America. She's from Ghana, the Gold Coast. She's a Shanti queen. Queen mother of the Ashantis. Here's what happens in the Shanti culture. There was a golden stool. Now this golden stool wasn't something you could just sit on and do whatever you wanted to do on this stool. It was a symbol of the royalty of the Ashantis. So it was passed from king to king to king.  So it was a matrilineal society, even though the king was male.  The British came to conquer Ghana, much as the Portuguese came to conquer Angola. And they had, there had been several wars, the British wars with the Ashantis. And there's many stories about that. And in the late 1800s, a British major came to conquer Ghana again. And he decided he would take the golden stool. That's a no-no. That's the seat of power. And so he decided he would sit on it, which was extremely disrespectful.  And she ordered the people to hide the stool from the British. British became upset.  She said, you can't have it. And the king had been banished, to say shells, islands, and by the British who had captured him and sent him away. And Ashanti saw a set told the men who were there, if you don't go to war against these British, you don't take arms against them from taking our culture and taking our heritage away in our country, the women will. And she got, you got that picture with her, the muskets. Yes. Those are her, her ornaments. Look at that. Wow. She is armed and ready. Fears. And yep, armed and ready. And she said, come on women, women stood up, got their muskets, and they went to war with the British. After the women started the war with the British, killed quite a few of them, including the major, then the men joined in. She said, while you men are talking, we're not, we're not going to talk. It's time for us to go fight the battle. I love that. Yeah. Because she said, look, ladies, we can do this ourselves. Right. I love that.  Right. I'm about the business. Right. She got down to business down to the nitty gritty. And she went and she fought. And it's called the war of the golden stool. You can read about it. There's actually a couple of movies. I can't remember where they are, but there's actually movies about it. And we went to Ghana. Oh, let me tell you what happened to her. She did start the war. The war of fierce battle ensued. Ghana eventually became independent, unfortunately, not until 1959 when Kwame Nakuma took over and it became an independent country. However, she started the battle to do away with the British colony, the British colonialists. They did capture her, unfortunately. And in the 19, early 1900s, they centered a seychelle and she died there. I see. But we went to Ghana. We had the privilege of going to Ghana. That sounds good. This is going to be good. We're going to come right back. All right. Okay. So we will be right back at the crossroads. Thank you so much for watching. This is good. Make sure you come back and finish watching. Aloha and Mabuhay. My name is Amy Ortega Anderson, inviting you to join us every Tuesday here on Pinoy Power, Hawaii with Think Tech, Hawaii. We come to your home at 12 noon every Tuesday. We invite you to listen, watch for our mission of empowerment. We aim to enrich, enlighten, educate, entertain, and we hope to empower. Again, Maramin, Salamatpo, Mabuhay, and Aloha. Aloha. I'm Yukari Kunisue, the host of Konnichiwa, Hawaii, Japanese talk show on Think Tech, Hawaii. Konnichiwa, Hawaii is all Japanese broadcast show and is streamed live on Think Tech at 2 p.m. every other Monday. Thank you so much for watching our show. We look forward to seeing you then. I'm Yukari Kunisue. Mahalo. Aloha and welcome back. I am your host Keisha King and you're watching at the crossroads. My guest today is a civil rights attorney, Daphne E. Barbie Wooten, and she is sharing with us about some great history. So we left off talking about Ghana and the trip. Oh, yes. We went to actually went to Ghana. We donated some books to the schools there in Ghana. And because we donated the books in the Ashanti region, we were actually able to meet the king of the Ashantis. We were able to meet his wife, the queen of the Ashantis. The king is an accountant. His wife is an attorney. Oh, wow. But we had a big feast and we got to see the palace of the Ashantis, which is in Kumasi, Ghana. And we also got to see the museum that housed the Golden Stool. The Golden Stool. We actually got to go into the museum. Of course, there are guards and there was the Golden Stool, which cause, which wasn't the cause of the war, but which was part of the reason why the war began. And amongst other other gold, a kutamant, golden spears and all sorts of things, golden hats and just sounds so rich, so regal. And yet they were just powerful people. Yeah, especially the women and they have a big stature statute, of course, honoring the Yaya Ashanti as they should as they should. But we can move on from Africa and because they're powerful women is not just in Africa, but in other parts of the world. And one of them is the Caribbean Jamaica, Jamaica. Excellent. Let's take us to Jamaica. We have a $500 bill from Jamaica right here. And I'm just so happy to show it. I'm happy to hold it. I'm happy to have it, but it's not mine. Tell us all about this. Yeah, you have to go to Jamaica to spend that. But the next picture is of Nanny of the Maroons. Nanny was taken from Africa. They don't know where it was Ghana, but they suspect it was Ghana because the language that is used up in the mountains in Nanny town are similar to the Ghanaian language. So anyways, she was sold into slavery, brought to Jamaica. And while she was in Jamaica, slavery didn't suit her well. She didn't care for it. So being from Ghana and a fierce woman warrior who she galvanized a lot of the other slaves and they decided to run away, what's called cinema maroon or maroons. And if you go to Jamaica now, you'll be able to go to Maroon County and Maroon country, which is usually up in the mountains. Nanny not only ran away, but would help other African Caribbean people who were enslaved to escape slavery, you know, by fighting and burning down the plantations and running up into the hills. The British got so upset they had bounty on her head. She established a community where she was called Grand Nanny. She is now one of the national heroines in Jamaica. Beautiful. I love it. So much like the stories we hear about Harriet Tubman, she helped herself and others and she fought. Yes, she did. I love the fierceness of these women. And I'm waiting for Harriet Tubman to be on our dollar bill because we don't have any women of color on our dollar bills in America. But hey, America, you can do it. I want to see Harriet Tubman. That's right. That's right. And I believe that, you know, our current president kind of pushed that back. It was supposed to happen with Andrew Jackson, right?  Genocide. But Harriet Tubman is not. She's a freedom fighter and she's a woman of color. That's right. Much like Nanny in Jamaica. Absolutely. All right, so who's next? Well, what I wanted to do is go into America right now, the United States of America, and talk about the United States government at this moment. We have a historic number of women in Congress and in the Senate. And I actually googled this to find out how many. Presently in 2019, we have 25 female senators, including one from Hawaii, Macy Harono. That's right. We have 127 women in Congress, including one from Hawaii, Tulsi Gabbard. So Hawaii is representing in terms of the female percentages, shall we say. I wouldn't say quote of a percentages because it's not a quota since women are 50% of America. So we should have 50% instead of these numbers. But in the future. That's right. We're plugging along. We are getting there. Yeah. And so a total of all is 127, which is 23% of the United States Senate. So that's that's getting there. That's right. And again, I think I mentioned that Senator Pelosi is the first US Speaker of the House, first female US Speaker of the House. And so that's good. And then I want to segue into Hawaii if I may. Yes, you may. And talk about some of the powerful women that existed and exist in our island, our state. First of all, Queen Lily Okalani ruled Hawaii. She did. And for many years and unfortunately she was overthrown by the United States military and the United States government. But we have to pay her respect because she was a powerful woman who ruled Hawaii. Yes. And then I'm going to segue off into some of the women who have served in political offices here. Okay. We've had four female mayors. Mary Joanne Yukimura from Kauai. Okay. Linda Lingo from Maui. Okay. Eileen Anderson from Honolulu. And then of course, my favorite is Helene Hale. And if you could show the next picture of Helene Hale. Yes, she is a grand lady. She is no longer with us, but she was the first woman after Queen Lily Okalani to rule a major area of Hawaii, which was the big island. She was the county executive, which is the mayor now. It's called the mayor. But at the time was county executive. And she's African-American. She was on Ebony Magazine in 1963 and they wrote right there. Yes. She was African-American. Absolutely.   I didn't know that. Well, let me tell you guess who her uncle is. Who is her uncle? Ralph Bunch. Really? Yes. You and Ann Boy and Ralph. How? Historical figure. Ralph Bunch. That's her uncle. And so she came from the mainland with her husband and eventually ran for county executive and won. She was one of the people that started the Mary Monarch. She started the Mary Monarch with her uncle George Naopi because they wanted tourists to come to the big island. And now it's just bombastic with tourists during the Mary Monarch. She was quite a woman. After she no longer became mayor or county executive, she ran for state representative at the right age of 70. But she won. Yes. She won. And not only did she win, but she campaigned in the swimming suit in the swimming pool at Pohoa. Pohoa swimming pool. And so, you know, that caught a lot of people's attention in her brochure. Yeah. And she went on to serve with distinction in the legislature. We met her several times. And in fact, I have a picture of her giving her one of her last speeches. So yeah, we have that picture too. I think she was in her 80s at that time. And she soon left the office. She had a stroke in her late 80s and later passed on. But she was quite a figure and a go getter in Hawaii politics. And then we also have Donna Thompson, which I want to talk about. All right. For women's picture we have. Yeah. Women who represent Hawaii, one of them was Congresswoman Patsy May. She is well known for getting title nine passed, which says women athletes deserve the same amount of pay and funding as males. Well, it wasn't just Patsy May's idea. It was also Donna's Thompson. We have a picture of her, a statute of her, which is the only statute of African American in Hawaii at the Stan Sheriff auditorium. And that's her Donna's Thompson. She was an athlete herself, a track runner from Chicago, came over here and she started the volleyball. She started women's track. She put UH women's athletics on the map. She got expanded. She's a star. She was a star. And you know, the one of the first things I've been here four years, one of the first things I noticed is how important volleyball is in Hawaii. And I had no idea the history. Okay. They won all these national championships and Donna Thompson made sure that they were able to do that. Thank you, Ms. Thompson. Yes. So we have about two minutes left. So we only have one, two, three more pictures. All right. So let's take a look at those really quickly. Yes. We're going to close out. Yes. All right. This next is Senator Maisie Hirono. Of course, she represents Oahu and Hawaii, and she's the only female senator from this state right now before we had Colleen Hanabusa, who filled in for a caca for a moment. And she was also a congresswoman, but she's no longer in office at the moment. We also have, as I mentioned before, Tulsi Gabbard, who is a congresswoman. But Maisie is the senator, the female senator, and she's a very powerful voice in Washington, as we know. And she comes to a lot of events like the Martin Luther King event. She's very pro-civil rights. So I think. Wonderful. Yeah. And that's myself, believe it or not, with black hair. That was years ago. And that's Maisie Hirono with black hair years ago. And that's my friend, Sharon Yarbrough, who still looks the same. Amazing. She does. And in fact, Sharon has a show here. And it's Sister Power. We absolutely love that show. She is an amazing woman who does great work here in the community. And as we close, I want to mention, I want to thank you for being with us. It's my pleasure. I certainly hope to have you back again where you can share other great historical facts that maybe some of us don't know, don't get to hear about. So thank you so much. And I could just go on about your own accolades. You're so modest.  Her historian. I could go on and on and on. So hopefully we'll come back and we can brag about you a little bit. Yeah. And I hope that all of you will do more research and find out all these wonderful women in history. That's right. Thank you again for watching. Before we go, I want to show you a special invitation from both Sharon Thomas Yarbrough and Sisters Empowering Hawaii and the Kesha King Organization Foundation. We are presenting a guided tour of the Shangri-La Museum of Islamic Art, Culture, and Design on Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 1.30 pm. The cost is $25 per person. And you can find out more information about this event by following me or Sisters Empowering Hawaii on our Facebook pages or Sharon Thomas Yarbrough's Facebook page, or you can contact us directly via any way that you have contact with us, including this flyer, which again is on Facebook. And I'm just so excited about this because it is a wonderful, timeless experience of elegance and whimsical treasures. And it's an opportunity for women to get together, to network and to embrace our power. So we hope to see you there. Now, registration does end. You can come back to me. Registration for this event does end this coming Sunday, March 10. So please contact us right away. We have very few seats left available because as soon as people heard about this, in fact, you'll be there. You've already registered. Yes, I have. But as soon as the women began to hear about this, they just signed on board right away. So I always want to thank you so much for your time and spending it with us right here at the Crossroads. And we'll see you next week, live at 5 on Wednesdays. Aloha. Aloha.


Linda says, what if you are already sleeping together after two months and now it's been a total of three months and all has been good? How do you bring up exclusivity?  But if you're just looking for exclusivity and you guys are hooking up together, that is the best way to do it is just to kind of bring up this conversation about exclusivity and and give him freedom, give him freedom to say yes, give him freedom to say no, give him freedom to be like, okay and and you know, based on what he says after that will be very indicative of how things are going, right? If he's like, you know, if he's like, yeah, sure, I'll do that. That's great. If he's like, hey, yeah, absolutely. I was, I thought we were exclusive and you know, I'm not seeing anybody else that tells you something else. And if he's like, hey, I really just want to see you and I think that you're awesome and I want to spend more time with you, that will tell you more, right? And so how he kind of responds to that conversation tells you a lot about what's going on.


Hello everyone and welcome. This is Melissa Armo with a stock swishing in here looking at Lulu. Lulu was a bullish gap today. Look at the volume in this. Really nice volume in this was an earnings gap. Let's just take a look at this here. Reported last night. High last night was 86.40. Then this morning when it opened, it opened at 84.25. So it really held, held the gap from last night to this morning despite the market gapping down this morning. Lulu held the gap up and actually flew today. High today was, was it 89? No, 88, 87, 98, 88. Still a really big move. Really big move for this. I think that if the market would have been bullish, this would have hit 90. But the market was not bullish today. But if the market had been with this today, this would have flown. I mean absolutely flown. And given, like I said, the weakness in the market today, this really had a very nice move. A very nice initial push up. So one of the things that you will come if you learn from me how to trade gaps is how to read institutional buying or selling. And in the case of bullish gaps, which Lulu was, this had institutional buying. And so that's what happened in this here today. If you're interested in the bullish gap class, I only teach it once a year. The class will be April 7th and 8th. And again, like I said, I only do it once a year because mostly I focus on the shorts, but it is important to know how to do longs. It is important to know how to read bullish gaps, particularly because we're in a bullish market. I think it's important too. Most of the options calls I've been making in the last year have been based on bullish gaps. So I think it's important for people that are in the options ladder to do the bullish gap class. And if you want to go long, and if you're interested in long-term investing or swing trades, you definitely have to know how to go long and do bullish gaps. And even if you want to actively day trade, we do do long sometimes in the room. And the points are not the same for the bullish gaps as the bearish gaps. I look at things differently. But the one thing that I look at similar in both is institutional buying or selling. So Lulu got it done today. Quick, fast, hard move up. But again, like I said, if the market would have been with this, I think it would have hit 90. So we'll have to see where this goes from here. But nice bullish gap in Lulu. Would have rated per the system. If you did it, good job. If you're interested in signing up for the bullish gap class, email me at melissa at thestockswish.com. Have a great day, everyone.


Now, this has a couple of interesting implications. The first one is, if you give me the weights, I can calculate what the polytopes are. The second one is, the inverse is also true. If you tell me where the polytopes are, I can tell you exactly what the value of each weight is, minus invariances of course. And it's possible to estimate the complexity where there's a nice theorem by Hannan and Rolnick that shows that the expected number of intersections along a one-dimensional trajectory is linear in the number of neurons n. So it gives us an idea about the complexity of these functions that can be implemented by hierarchical real-life functions. Now, let's do an aside. So what we did so far is we looked at real use. We know that they can approximate anything. All the functions at least are meaningful for us. Could we just have used polynomial features? One way of building nonlinear functions have a hierarchy where they can become nonlinear. An alternative would be that I have always just a shallow network, just one hidden layer, not even, and just use polynomial features and just have enough of them. It allows us to do the same thing. So why would that not be a good idea? We all know the neural networks are good, but why are neural networks good? Why is it not just the same? We could just like now give me x1, x2 as inputs and then we can x1 square times x2, x1 to the power of 7, x2 to the 5. Why are there worse features? Well, let's see how well that works. Why don't you go try polynomial features and figure out if they work well and if they don't work well, which I'm telling you, why do they not work well? Keep in mind that we're in this low dimensional space where we can meaningfully visualize the results.


A Chinook blasted into Theodore's town centre, delivering a water purifier, cargo vital to the abandoned town's recovery. It will supply seven and a half thousand litres of clean drinking water every day. Theodore is baking beneath mud, 148 of the town's 240 houses went under, along with every business. We've got some rain last night that brought the creeks up and road access has been closed.  They've had to turn back. Rob Glasbrook was the first shop owner to return. His electrical store filled with a metre of water. Thankfully so far there's no damage. He owns three houses, all were inundated. It's heartbreaking really when you think about it, but nothing we can do other than just get back on and horse and keep going. The local news agent fought an earlier flood but lost his shop to the second.  I've been trying for a while to get the generator started and I can't get that started now. A local disaster recovery has been activated, reconnecting power phones, sewerage and the hospital before residents return. One person from each home will be allowed back to Theodore next week. Almost two thirds of the houses here could be uninhabitable. We've got ourselves ready to house those people on emergency accommodation. At least they'll be home in Theodore, Erin Edwards, 7 News.


This is stock number 10375. We are here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. You're new and used. Heavy-duty truck headquarters. Today we are checking out this super clean 2014 Ford F350 crew cab, short box, single rear wheel. Lariat ultimate. This truck has the 6.7 liter power stroke diesel. It has been fully safety and inspected by our service shop. It has a fresh oil and filter change. All the fluids have been checked and topped off. This truck has been gone through mechanically 100% and is 100% ready to go. Kodiak Brown over Pale Adobe is the color scheme. We shoot all of our videos in 1080p, 60 frames per second. So if you have HD capabilities on your computer tablet or a smartphone device, turn them on right now because it is definitely your best way to check out the vehicle quality and condition wise before seeing it in person. And if you'd like to check out all the photos on this truck in the upper right hand part of your screen is a link right to our website. Click that and check us out there. It comes with the 18 inch alloy rims or I'm sorry the 20 inch alloy rims with the chrome covers. And it has open country Toyo 35 by 12 and a half R20 LT tires. These tires have about I'd say 60 to 70% of the tread left. Framing underbody is nice. It does have the Rancho shocks part of that FX4 off-road suspension package. Headlight lenses are nice and clear. Front bumper and lower valance is an excellent condition. Factory fog lights, chrome trimmed grille. The hood is in excellent shape. You can see any dents on that. Passengers side front fenders in nice condition. And the passenger side rim. No scuffs or scrapes on that. As you go down this side of the truck, take note of how clean the body is, how reflective and mirror-like that paint is. We take these HD videos so if you're far away or even if you're close by just can't make the trip down. You can still see the truck here, the truck and have confidence in the vehicle that you're looking at before you even get here. So then when you do get here there's absolutely no surprises. All you got to do is drive the truck and love it and you'll be all set to go. And that's why we offer the Summit Auto Fast Pass option in the upper right hand part of your screen. A link right to our website where you can apply for financing. Get pre-approved. See a payment quote. Even appraise the trade, all from the comfort of your own home. Framing underbody is exceptionally clean. Has all the remaining factory exhaust. Lower rockers all look great and it does come with the factory chrome step bars. Back rim is in excellent shape as well. No scuffs or scrapes in the back tires.  Has the chrome tip exhaust. As we come around to the back of the vehicle rear bumpers in excellent shape. Didn't see any dents or dings on that. It does come with a full towing package which includes receiver hitch, four pin and seven pin wiring. The tailgate is in excellent shape. It has a retracts rolling tonneau cover. That's in really nice shape. It has the tailgate step assist so that goes down so you can get up into the truck. Truck's got a little bit of light duty usage but nothing too bad. And it does have a seven pin wiring in the back here as well in case you wanted to put a fifth wheel or gooseneck in there. It doesn't appear that they ever had a fifth wheel or gooseneck but it's all set up to put one in. And as you go down this side of the truck just as clean as that passenger's side. Didn't see any dents or dings on that box. And for full disclosure this back rim is in excellent shape as well. Down the rest of this side very very clean. Has the driver's side doorcode entry. We do have the code for that. And it has the power scope mirrors. They power fold in, power telescope in and out. And I'll show you that those are working good. See they power fold in like so. And I always like showing both sides so that you can see that both sides are working properly. And then they also telescope out and in. And this one does as well. Sony sound system power windows power locks. Memory driver's seat. The larried ultimate package gives you the tan leather interior. No rips no tears on these seats. Pretty nice shape. Factory floor mats, auto headlamps and power pedals. As you hop inside the truck here you can see that this one has 44,566 miles. Instrument cluster is very nice and clean. Comes with a leather wrap steering wheel. Bluetooth and audio controls on the right. Cruise controls and information center controls on the left. It does come with the six speed automatic transmission with the optional tap shift. Has the factory navigation system on the my Ford touch radio. This is also where your backup camera shows up. This is where you can control your AMFM and Sirius XM radio capabilities. There is a CD player there. And you can do your climate control here as well including your heated and cooled seats. If you don't like doing your climate controls and radio controls on the radio you can actually do them down here on the more tactile buttons. Stability control downhill assist turned off four-wheel drive. You do get a factory brake controller for upfitter switches. Dual climate control and 110 volt 150 watt plug-in back here. Front seat and floor mat are in excellent condition as well. Headliner is nice and clean and this one does come with the power sunroof. Part of that very ultimate package and you do get home link buttons for your garage door security systems and lighting systems. Map lights and power sliding rear window buttons. And we'll take a quick look at the back seats and then we'll check out under the hood. The back seats are just as clean as the front seats. No rips, no tears back here. It does have the latch or I'm sorry it does have latched tether anchors in the back. Power slide rear window with the built-in rear defrost. Has a locking storage unit underneath there that locks with the ignition key to get that up. Just go like so. Does have a receiver hitch reducer and the packed carpeting and floor mats are in nice shape as well. Another 110 volt 150 watt plug-in back here. And then behind the seats is the factory subwoofer and those latch tether anchors I was telling you about. Very nice and clean inside and out. Back child safety locks on the back doors. And we'll take a quick look under the hood. I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today and hopefully from this HD video you'll been able to tell just how clean this truck is all the way around inside and out. Under the hood we have the 6.7 liter power stroke diesel engine base. Very clean runs, very smooth. This truck has been fully safe and inspected by our service shop. Has a fresh oil and filter change. All the fluids have been checked and topped off. The truck has been gone through mechanically 100% and is 100% ready to go. See more pictures of this truck or one of our other 450 new and used cars, trucks, SEVs, minivans, Wranglers, half tons, three quarter tons, one tons. You know what we got to go to our website www.summitauto.com. Full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle from two locations all at summitauto.com. And if you'd like to check out more HD videos you can go to youtube.com slash summit auto. Remember to like, subscribe, and share on this video and all the videos that you see there. In fact in a second you will see a link to subscribe to our YouTube channel on your left. You'll be linked to more F350 videos like this one on your right. If you have not been to our website on the bottom link to this vehicle on our website click those check us out and we really look forward to helping you with this super clean 2014 Ford F350 crew cab short box, single rear wheel, lariat ultimate with the FX4 package and Kodiak brown metallic. Thanks again.