the Nintendo podcast, season two, the so fitty, half a century mark, man. Pretty exciting. Glad to have the core for here. Andres restart back in the house between Andres restart dipping out a couple of episodes. Eric dipping out a few episodes lately. I feel like we haven't even had the core for truly together very often the last couple of months. So it's nice to have the group back. Hey, I love the core for I love you guys. I'm going to keep it clean tonight. Yeah, look, I've heard this so many times. So many times. Wait, why? Why do people? Well, I think you got to clean the very first two podcasts when we barely knew each other like over a year ago, two years ago. You came on. You were super clean. You were this pristine. I just sell PS5. Thank you. That's who I am. I do. I was on NBC or ABC or I am. Oh, I get it out of here. And all of a sudden, little that I know a year later. No, dude, keep it clean. That that ain't the truth. That ain't the way. No, it's OK, man. How are we going to keep it clean? I keep it clean. All right, Mr. Two inch. Let's get. Hey, Nate, you look you look really cute tonight, by the way. Well, you know, I'm sure you're feeling pretty dapper today after the victory last week, but we'll get to that in a little bit. How are you doing, everyone? Welcome to the 75 podcast. We're going to go around the room as we do at the beginning of every show. Introduce ourselves and what have we been playing lately? Let's slap her down to Andres restart quick. What?  And what have you been playing lately? Because I forget. I don't think I'm at liberty to tell you who I am.  Wait, I didn't hear that.  Wait a second. It's really like cartel leader over here. We're just you didn't even know. Yeah. Oh, man. Andres, come on, keep it clean. Let's not have any tomfooler your shanigans tonight. All right. Oh, I'm being real. I'm just kidding. Or am I? Anyways, you asked me to tell people who I feel like that's all. It's evident, but I guess I'm Andres. Andres restart. I make Nintendo videos like. Oh, it could be somebody who don't know who you are. I don't know. Yeah, it's possible. I don't know. I've actually. Hey, hey, I'm gaining subscribers this month. So it is possible. There's people who don't know who you are. It's possible. It is. It's OK. And I might have dropped a bet on your live stream yesterday. So this audience might be your audience someday. I know you didn't take up the bet. No one actually took the bet. You can't. You can. I can bet whatever I want. But if nobody takes the bet, then it doesn't really matter. Yeah, we'll get to that in a bit. But we got some topics coming up. Anyway, to answer the question, I'm doing well. Thank you for asking. Awesome. What have you been playing? So I beat Mario RPG already. That was a good time. And now I am playing Pikmin 4 again. I'm working on the 100 percent. I'm in the final area. I mean, I've you know, I've gone to the credits, but there's there's stuff out. There's a there's a post game that's actually pretty healthy. And so I'm well into that. There's six areas and I've 100 percent of the first five. So I'm I've entered the final area. And I will probably no bragging, no bragging. It's Pikmin 4 is not a long game, so it's not really bragging. Hey, my bad, but no bragging. I'm just talking about my progression, bro. OK, that's fine. This is even clean. He's going to find a way to pick on this without. Yeah, just just keep it clean. By the way, we do the paper and just do the rest of the chat of paper. Did you do your did you do your year in review for for Switch? I know you play a lot on PlayStation stuff. I actually I didn't. Yeah, I could probably do it. Yeah, it just got you just Google like the Nintendo year you might be able to do it through a website. You go to their Twitter account, the Nintendo or if you just Google Nintendo year review, it'll pop up. You click the link and that'll work to your account. It shows a whole bunch of cool stuff. Yeah, I was surprised how many hours I log between January, November. Yeah, I had a lot in February for some reason. A lot of hours in February. Maybe I know what it was. I think it was I said 250 hours in Breath of the Wild this year. I think it's because I was doing the master mode run to beat it. So I put over 150 hours in Breath of the Wild as well on this year. And I was like, wait, where'd that come from? And I forgot that they want to go through like doing like our own personal runs. We have to choose the kingdom. Now, I'm honestly surprised how many hours I put in the activity. I put 250 on, you know, with the Zelda. I guess I can't believe it. Yeah, you got to drop a 250. Yeah, that's significant. I want to like look at the thing that I can see how many hours I've played games. Right. It's actually crazy. Because they keep they keep a pretty good track of what your your playtime is for each game, but they won't tell you actually on your switch like they did for prior systems. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, it's weird. They just give you like a vague number after a little while. I've played Pokemon Scarlet for 315 hours. But that's including that came out last year, technically, right? So it's including a little bit of last year. If you're looking at it, yeah, yeah, that doesn't count. I'm just, yeah, I'm not going on that thing. I'm just looking. Yeah. Yeah, I had a 250. It would be a solid estimation. I feel the way I was when I played the most, apparently. And then I had like 90 in Tears of the Kingdom. I'm surprised I didn't have more, but then I'm not because once I beat it, I really slowed down. So now I just kind of play it casually. And I don't play in a casual way, so. In tears, to be honest. Like I think after May, I've only put in about 40 to 50ish hours into Tears of the Kingdom, which is a good amount for a normal game. But for the scope of Tears of the Kingdom, that feels like a little bit. But I put over, I put like 215 hours in the first month. So it was definitely front loaded. Absolutely. Yeah. Wait, actually, now you guys got me curious. What? What? What do I Google? What's this thing? It doesn't take long. Just Google Nintendo Nintendo Switch year and review. Yeah, just to log into your Switch account. You know, yeah, it'll give you much info. I've got like four different ones. I hope it logs me in the right one. Oh, well, you can check that on your Switch, except that profile, check the email. Oh, I can. All right. Well, I'm going to give it. I'm just going to give it the old college try. If I hopefully don't give you the round. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It's all right. Yeah, like it's the year and review. And it's all you can control either. Eric's literally looking at his right now. Well, Eric, once you know what you're going to review, well, I know you're playing lately. Maybe you did play some games, but you get tossed in your year and review while you're at it. What are you playing this year? This year? Yeah, apparently my first game of the year was Sparks of Hope. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I didn't even like that. Eric has played games that I haven't played. Yeah, it happens. Yeah. I beat Sparks of Hope, but I was last year I beat it. I did a review. Do you play it, Andres? Sparks of Hope, no. No, it's not a game. I'm looking at mine. Well, I my first game of the year apparently was Breath of the Wild. How many games did you play this year? Forty one. I play 36. So yeah. And my total hours is nine twenty four. OK, I came in with a solid nine. Nine games for a hundred and seventy one hours. Hey. Solid. Here's to the kingdoms you're most level. Here's the kingdoms most played at one hundred and twenty four. Oh, yeah, the right account. It did or did not? It did. It did. Sparks of Hope and Forty. There it is. That's most played on me apparently at twenty three hours. Here's to the kingdom. Yeah, I had twenty one games and three hundred and fifty eight hours. Number one. I play more switch than at least Jake. Hell of a job. Number one was tears of the kingdom, but one hundred and fifty five hours. Solid. Pokemon was ninety five hours and that's a good for the holidays. OK, yeah. So for me, so tears of the kingdom, I logged two hundred and fifty four. I don't think this counts December, by the way. No, I don't think this month because I've actually been playing more games this month, but Breath of the Wild, one hundred and fifty eight Metro Prairie Masters, sixty three, so I did play it three times. Fireland Gage, forty six. I'm surprised I put in forty six hours. I haven't finished that one. Future Redeemed, I put forty four. Mario Kart, forty. Mario Wonder, thirty nine. Pikmin, four, thirty three. But I'm playing it recently, so that's probably gone up a little bit. And I don't have to talk about every other little thing. No, that's that's awesome, man. There's been some good games this year. But there there there definitely has been some good. I mean, I played thirty six. I was surprised I actually played thirty six and I went through the list and I was like, oh, yeah, no, I actually did play every single one of these. I remember.   That was a good time. Yeah, that was a sponsorship. I mean, look, it was fine to do what it is. Simulated farming. It did exactly as as as the game said, it's not like goat simulator where, OK, that's not really what a goat's life is like. If you want, if you want to simulate some farming, farming simulator, you know, I when I went through the list, I had beaten out of the thirty six games I played, I had beaten eleven, which I was actually surprised I actually beat eleven games because like my third highest played game was Mario Kart at thirty two hours. And I'm like, man, how many games are I pulling off? Sub 20 hour being Mario Kart yet? Uh, no, because I didn't 100% on all the DLC. So like, you know, go through all the tracks and what do you count as 100%ing them? Uh, I'm locking everything, getting first place on and 200 cc on every single the 60 pieces. Yeah, those six. Yeah, it's a little hard when you do any account for mirror 200 cc. Like, yeah, so I haven't I haven't done that. But I might have a couple to. I might get around to have 100% of it. Yeah, so what's going to happen is we're going to know it's a new Mario Kart. And I'm going to be like, OK, I need to actually time to do this. I mean, it's just how I am with Mario Kart because I didn't care necessarily about 100%ing the main Mario Kart game because I already did that. That plus the first DLC back on Wii U, I 100%er than back then.  No, never really got around to it. I'm actually surprised I've only played 13 hours of Smash this year. That's not on that on on that account, because I've definitely played with other friends on different accounts. So we we look I'm about to put up a thing about how you guys can submit questions, by the way, for our Q&A section for $2 and up super chats. But we already got people hitting on Jake Randall just kicking off the stream. Foxy Snivy coming in or Cinevi Fox and Ivy. Jake is so hot. Just just throwing that out there. Thanks for the two bucks. I do appreciate the support. I'm glad that I think I'm jealous. I don't think I've ever got a super chat. Hey, I want to grow. You never have to be jealous of anyone in the chat. Like you have my attention, brother. I hope you saw my wink. Oh, I did. OK, I'm going to screen record that and send it to me, please. Thank you. The ends are up. So, Jake, what are you playing lately? So I got to I got to keep it clean, keep it real. This was one of those weeks where I really don't think I played much. Still trying to make that PlayStation Portal review. Did you open it yet? No. Have we at least got the unboxing record? No, no, no. No, but I like you in my head, I've planned out so much. I'm sure you have. Yeah, no, no, I've made a lot of progress in thinking about the video for sure. So don't even worry about it. All right. All right.  So finally, now getting right back into things. Plates of Cheers to the Kingdom over the last week. No surprise there. What might be a little bit surprising is I started Fire Emblem Engage. And this is how I know December wasn't recorded because I didn't say that was one of my playing games this year. Yeah. Anyway, so, yeah, just just briefly got started. I don't want to go too deep into it yet. I wanted to make sure that I started it because if I didn't buy it and start it, I was never going to. And I really like Fire Emblem. So I wanted to make sure I just had it. And then you talk about Engage. Yeah, Engage. Yeah. So I'm going to actually finish it breaks and stuff. I got like a little over halfway and then. Yeah, we'll see. I know I really enjoyed everything I read and saw about the game. But I also really enjoyed Three Houses. And I know they're kind of different in how they approach some things. So we'll see. I'm kind of curious how you guys feel on this, right? Because I would say I'm a Fire Emblem fan, right? Like Nintendo and that's a new Fire Emblem. I'm buying it, right? Yeah. And I haven't been by Engage yet, right? But that's just because we had a really crazy year because, you know, right after January, things got lost. Yeah, I didn't like I got burned out doing my. This is why you guys wonder why I don't do game reviews. I got Sparks of Hope. I actually got it early and I plowed so hard through that game. I was completely burned out of video games by the time January yet. I just didn't want to play anything. Sorry. Sometimes you need breaks. Yeah. Sorry, Fire Emblem. It's OK. You're back now. I got you before the end of the year. It's interesting, because when I was looking at like my play time, the first half of the year, I was definitely playing more games. And the second half year, it slowed down like I'm still averaging more than an hour a day, right? There will be days where I don't play on my switch. And there will be days of like two to three hours, you know, just kind of give or take. But well, I'm kind of curious on how you guys feel about this because I'm kind of thinking about it. Like I would say I'm a Fire Emblem fan and I loved three houses. Like I was totally enthralled into three houses. Yeah. But I only did one campaign. If you count the DLC, there's I only I only went through one campaign. You can you can easily have four different campaigns, right? If I mean like literally, it's not like, yes, there are four campaigns if you count the DLC, and I had no interest in getting the DLC. Like I'm kind of content with my one campaign. Maybe someday I'll go revisit three houses and I'll do another campaign. But I just don't have any desire to do three to four on that. You mean when they drop the deluxe edition on switch, too? Yeah, that's I'm not I'm not going to buy that. But then like I and then for engage, like I'm going to buy, I'm probably going to eventually I'm probably going to beat it maybe later this month or January once because I'm trying to I'm trying to make sure I beat every every major Nintendo game on switch before switch to so hence why I want a hundred percent Pikmin for I'm going to go back, get all the shrines, here's the kingdom. You know, I'm going to fit like this and stuff like that. But I don't think I'm going to buy buy the engaged DLC. And so I'm kind of thinking like what Nintendo games am I like for sure going to buy the DLC for and what Nintendo games will I not? Like if it's a Zelda game, I'm always going to buy the DLC, right? If there is if Metroid Prime 4 comes out and gets DLC, that's for sure. If Pikmin gets DLC, I want to say yes for Pikmin, but I think we'll have to see it before I before I know for certain. Xenoblades are given like, yeah, that that's it. So I'm just kind of curious, like what do you think? Like if you're not willing to buy the DLC for a game, does that mean you're not as much of a fan of it? Um, I mean, I think there's just levels to fandom. I consider myself a Fire Emblem fan. I have played almost every single one and yet I didn't buy engaged for the end of the year. And if it was a Zelda game, I don't care how burned out I was. I would have bought it and bought the DLC. Wait, wait, you've probably said this before, but what did you think of Three Houses? Was that like a top tier to you or you didn't like it? Um, it's probably one of my favorite firearms. Yes. OK, me too. Me too. I mean, I think it's my favorite fire. I'd have to go back and revisit a couple of the old. I agree, Andres. Well, I first fired with the Sacred Stones and Game Boy Advance, though, so that one kind of has a special place in my heart. Sure. But the GameCube one. I loved the first one I saw. A lot. I haven't played Persona, but I kind of, the whole classroom thing. That's yes, like the social links and the relationship building. I really like that aspect. Like I like the monastery. You should try Persona. I should. I know Persona 5. It's like literally the relationship stuff in Fire Emblem is just like that. And then it's a term based RPG outside of that. So I think you'd like it, man. Literally a friend let me borrow a Persona 5. I just didn't touch it. Well, you could play it on Switch now. I know. You just have to buy it. Wait, did your friend let you borrow it on Switch? It was a different system. Yeah, that's what I figured. Yeah, but yeah, Persona 5 or I'll switch. Yeah, I should. That's my favorite PS4 game of all time. I know, I mean, people speak so highly on it. I wanted to play SMT5 as well. Like that was, that was cool. Now I think Persona's a lot more fun because it adds the stuff that three houses added. So SMT is like a regular term based RPG, but Persona adds in the social links and it breaks everything up. You know what I mean? It like divides up the gameplay and just works well. Absolutely. OK. So yeah, I probably will play it soon. Cool. I assume I may be within a year from now. He's got to finish off the other games. Maybe before Switch 2 gets here. Maybe, I don't know. It depends if these rumors are true. Then it probably does. But we'll get to the rumors in a moment. That's not our first topic. Our first topic is actually, hey, guys, we had a couple like huge things happen over the last week. One was the game awards. So we're going to talk a bit about that here. And also the end of E3 officially, technically hasn't really been here since 2021. If we're being real, it hasn't been here since 2019. That's the last time they actually did the in-person event. But first let's talk about the game awards because that was the first thing. And that's I guess the oldest thing since it happened right after the podcast last week. So what do you guys think about like the whole show? And as I noted here, I get to eat crow because I lost a bet. That cannot make the show every year. You're correct to that I had. Not only game. The trophy is actually Jake Randall's now. But how many Nintendo announcements there would be? Everything, the whole shebang. And now you guys know, I might not say the popular thing and try to just win you over with manipulation like others, but I will be honest with you. Hyping irresponsibly is fun. It is fun. I'm not trying to, hyping irresponsibly isn't telling people this is going to happen. It's saying I'd rather be excited for possibilities than just go in, being bummed out. Because you know what happens to you? Hyping irresponsibly and you don't get what you want. You get the hype for the next thing. You know, it's really fun. You can move it. Being right. I do agree being right is, is pretty. Just, I got, I got to throw the discipline in there. Honestly, I honestly don't care whether I was right. We didn't have a better way. I just, I just like to bet. So like, if we didn't have a bet, I wouldn't even matter. Yeah, he's betting everything.  Wait, next podcast, are you going to wear the Celtics shirt? Or is it going to be like later? It has to be, I think I get paid. I get paid at the end of the month. So. All right, January. Yeah, let's just say I didn't plan to lose. That was the thing. I could have pre-bought. But I was planning to. What have been wise to a pre-bought? So for those who don't know, Jake and I had a bet on game of the year. Now we both wanted tears of the kingdom to win, but he knew it was going to be Baldur's Gate 3. I don't know if he's got a judge connection. I don't know what's going on there. It might be a little, I don't know. I mean, we had this debate before. So we already know. Maybe I'm just waiting for it. Based off social media. That was. I think it was social media. They're not the ones deciding the awards. I know, but that was the pulse. That's besides the point. We lost. It is what it is. I voted for tears of the kingdom and bet tears of the kingdom. So we had an act of that. We're both NBA fans.  Yeah, the three best teams in the East. I'd say. I mean, they've only been the finals representative like the last five years. It is what it is between the Bucks Celtics and the Heat. Anyways, so Jake's a Celtics fan and I'm a Bucks fan.  And for those of you that are really good at math, that would then mean I'm a Lakers fan. And technically Jake won another bet. Lakers are in the East. That he forgot about. That's a joke because I'm the heat very anyone because Jake actually won two bets. We had sort of a four fun bet on switch to be in reveal there. Neither one of us really thought it was going to happen, but I wanted the hype. So he's actually supposed to control my my name right now. And he forgot I was going to save it until you're wearing the. Oh, you're to do it with the same when I do that. OK, you know, it's touching on sports. It would have been it would be interesting if they did like a Vegas odd things for like for like video game predictions, like, like I imagine if you could have bet money on like switch to showing up at the game or that would that would go crazy. Because the thing is the odds would have been low, but you'd make a lot of money.  And anyone that's listening right now should forget that because it's so bad and not definitely not feel the idea. Strike it. Let's talk later. Anyways, so yeah, the game award came and came and went. Here's the kingdom did win that best action game, which was pretty much expected. Mario won best family game and then Pikmin won best strategy sim game, which was not a shoe in. So Nintendo's three best games they dropped all won their categories. And I would say Pikmin 4 is so deserving. Like if if you understand, like so who's familiar with Dandori? Like if you paid attention to like the developer diaries for Pikmin 4, Dandori is that it's it's it's if you play Pikmin 4, they tell you what it's about. Dandori is like the art of like organization and just like streamlining your process.  But that that's what it's about. It's it's about kind of like playing efficiently and using your resource as well. And and that's actually I do. I do really like Pikmin. I didn't play Pikmin 3, but one and two. Dude, you should play Pikmin 4. I think it's the best game in the series. No, trust me, I'm I'm going to I don't even need to play. I'm going to enjoy this one. I think I did a good job. It's still a strategy game. I mean, one best strategy game, but it's also it's also like a legitimate action and adventure game at the same time. Well, here's here's the thing. I want to play three first, not because I feel like I need to for the story. Honestly, because no, it's just because I know that Pikmin 4 is so good that once I play Pikmin 4, going back and playing a previous game is going to be like so unsatisfying. You know what I mean? So I just want to save the best for a lot of I'll give you that. I mean, I'm not I'm not saying that I feel that Pikmin games are unplayable, but definitely Pikmin 4. I think it's it's clearly the best Pikmin game for it. I'm sure there are some Pikmin fans that feel differently, right? Because there's there's nuance these things, right? The same way there's a nuance to Zelda to Zelda fan base. But I would say the masses would definitely pick Pikmin 4 and not just because of recent. What a what a political politician answer right there. Yeah, I'm not saying it's everyone's favorite because it's very fair, but I think you're right. The consensus, the consensus for yes. Yeah, it's so good. It's very good. I mean, three, by the way, is also really, really good. Yeah, they're all good. I mean, they're all like it's the best one. And I'm kind of like the black sheep a little bit. It's still good, but it's like Pikmin 2 is like the Metroid Prime 2 of the series, where it's like ridiculously hard. It's really difficult. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so it's just like Zelda to really difficult. What is it with the second Mario Brothers 2 way harder than the original Mario Brothers? It's kind of funny. All right, that's interesting. Yeah, with the Nintendo games. And it's like, no, I mean, it's what you and to give me that more example. Is that it? Well, Star Fox 2 had to be canceled. So well, no, we did eventually get it, though. We did get it. Yeah. I don't know if it was even hard. I didn't beat it, but yeah, I don't remember. I didn't play the original. I should have played the original then played to after it came out. You know, apparently it's on NSO and I completely forgot it's on in this. Yeah. That's what it is. Oh, I forgot. I think I knew that and also forgot it. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. By the way, I just want to make sure a shout out to Aaron Rass. Thank you so much for gifting the five memberships earlier. I do really want to support the show, man, which also reminds me before we continue this conversation that actually I go to show three patrons today. For those that don't know, you can support our show at patreon.com slash Nintendo Prime.  We're going to be adding a new tier soon, by the way. I'll talk about that towards the end of the show. But I want to make sure that we shout out our patron, thanks to yours, Joy CJ, Jeff Morrison and Angie Donnelly. Thank you so much for your support over on Patreon. And again, I'll have a new tier to announce at the end of the show, where you can actually sponsor an episode. Is it going to be the tier of the kingdom? Maybe the tier of Nintendo Prime's kingdom when I had to wear a Boston self-extrasy. You guys here, Draymond Green was suspended indefinitely. Definitely indefinitely. Yeah, like I do think he's been acting crazy.  But like he would happen. Definitely, though, I would never. I thought they would have a set amount of time indefinitely. We don't even know what that means. Like that could be forever. He probably won't be forever, but it's just crazy that they don't even have a set time for his suspension. They're sending a message, not giving the time right away. I like that. Oh, yeah, I mean, he had he has a problem for sure. All right. So what did you guys think of the game awards? Was it was a pretty good this year or kind of whatever? I mean, Nintendo didn't bring anything, but you got the overall show. Hey, hey, Nate. You don't have to get mad if we go off topic. Who said I was mad? You know, it's OK. I would say as someone who wasn't planning on watching it and only tuned in to your live stream to watch the end of it. I just kind of looked at the announcements and what one and seeing what Nintendo announced on Twitter throughout the day. You know, honestly, my experience of the game was this year was pretty good because I chose not to watch it. And it was great. Like, I actually really enjoyed tuning in to see Pikmin 4 win. Cheers to the Kingdom win at their rightful awards. I heard about Mario Wonder. I saw the end of the show. I thought it was fine. I do think it's unfortunate that the please wrap up screen kind of worked the way it did. I know it wasn't done with the far east intent. It's just kind of an unfortunate circumstance. They're obviously going to have to tweak in the future. It's like, I see a Januma like, you know, he's delivering a speech, right? And then that that it feels so disrespectful. But I know they didn't do that because they're like, oh, we hate Anuma. They that's just kind of like they need to stop trying to be like the authors. I agree. Yeah. We don't need timers. I understand like they wanted to make sure there wasn't another eight minute speech.  But when the winning the awards are given more time than the people who win the awards, that's not when Gonzo getting three minutes to run a joke thing. But then we're then we're sitting there and giving the literal game of the year winners who are talking about employees who died during development less than 40 seconds. Yeah, it's not cool to accept an award. Like it's just not cool. And it's a thing that's the Grammys does it. The Oscars does it. I think what has to be understood. And I know that a lot of gamers tune in for the game announcements. That's why they do the game announcements that it brings in the audience. But when it comes to the actual awards, the video game industry is just different than these other industries and should be treated a little different in that gamers feel connected to games in a way that we don't to movies because we get to feel like we're part of it. So when one of our favorite game developers wins an award like says Zelda, and I can say this is a huge Zelda guy and I did almost on stage and he's sitting there having to go through a translator on top. So he's even getting like half the time of everybody else because it's got to be said twice. And it does feel extremely disrespectful to gamers looking at that and realizing, hey, we waited all year to see this man on stage accepting an award and you're just kind of like get off my stage. And I know that's not the intent of it. And I know they technically didn't kick anyone off, but game developers aren't used to this. Like the game development industry is not movies. And hopefully no one can't read English music. There are all those people do public appearance and public speaking in front of crowds all the time. Game developers aren't. There was a guy up there accepting an award that was shaking. Yep, because they're not used to being in front of people. I was one of the ones right. Yeah, I think it was one of the Baldur's gate ones. Yeah, I think of the voice actor or the world. Or the seat of armor. Was that the was that the director? Yeah, I can't remember who he was. But the point was like this is a different industry. Those other industries that are all used to being in front of people in public speaking and they can say a lot in 30 seconds to a minute. These people are going to take more time because they're not used to it. And we shouldn't be trying to get them used to it. We instead should respect the medium. And if you want to shorten anything, do less bits. They don't really shorten it. I think they should shave an hour off. I don't really care. I think you need to hear what happens every year. Well, here's the thing. I think I've just realized the show is always going to be around three hours long, and it's what it is. You know what? I'd rather the show show respect to the developers. Still have awesome game announcements. And Jeff Kealy needs to stop trying to please everybody. You're not going to please everybody. Stop trying to shorten the show.  Put the best goddamn show together. You can let the amazing speeches happen. And I talked about this extensively during a live stream because the big thing to me with the game awards in the speeches is my favorite moments at the game awards here. The big game announcements are great, right? Breath of the Wild was great to see that. But some of the speeches have been absolutely amazing in the past. Greg Miller, when he won the Creator of the Year award and he gave this epic long, like three minute speech. And he started talking about the people that never get credit in the video game development world, the artist and all this stuff that need recognition. It was such an impactful speech that won't be allowed to even happen today. The one developer for that dragon, whatever, that won games for impact. And it turns out the entire game was actually about his son who died of cancer. And it was such an emotional moment. Won't even be allowed today with that timer. So it's one of the and then you have obviously Baldur's Gate three. They're up there trying to have an emotional moment, not really allowed to do it, got to rush through it.  And it's nice to see that the developers themselves care almost as much as we do about the games and what it means to them. And for me, it's a unique experience because we always see like interviews pop up and IGN and all these places where it's just these little text things and they're just asking game specific things. We don't see the emotion. This is an event where we can actually see what this means to them. And I feel like this year they ripped that kind of away. Like we don't get to see how much it really matters to them anymore because we're rushing you off the stage. And I just think if the time, as an example, even that eight minute speech last year that I noticed, we don't want it to happen again. But you know what? I went back and rewatch it and I remember complaining a little bit back last year. Dude, it was eight minutes long because he cared. He cared. Yeah. Well, here's here's an idea. Tell me what you guys think of this, because like I know I said before they should have less awards and you kind of, you know, didn't necessarily agree with me. But what if they would allocate longer times for more important awards? So maybe like some of the less important and not to diminish anyone's accomplishment, but obviously, you know, there are certain things that are clearly, I mean, I think the last hour awards or like those last few awards, right? But like, you know, best like the ones that Nintendo won or Game of the Year. Like those are obviously the bigger awards, right? Like, right. Anuma, it's kind of weird. Like, Anuma is like maybe arguably like what the one maybe one of the most single and like we're talking about like a single individual, like a single dad. Like he's one of the most important and prominent in gaming history.  That's just that's kind of mind blowing to me. Like that might even be the last time we ever see a new one on stage for at the game awards. And you think I'm not saying it will be, but I mean, the man's getting old. You think it's possible? Oh, well, he's going to be the producer for the next game. So I think he's going to have one more Zelda game at the awards. And then that might be it. I'm not saying it's not a prediction. It's simply me explaining that it's not a certainty.  He's not so much right. He is a gaming great. Like he is one he's I mean, I know he's probably in feature. And like, you know, like that he's one of those like really important figures that go that kind of he's so important. He goes beyond just gaming. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so I it's just to me, it's just kind of weird to like be rushing someone like that off, especially when they're not overstaying their welcome, right? Like, yeah, that's why I sent a because Jeff Healy, I was a co-streamer. He sent out a thing to fill out for feedback. And I literally just said, Jeff, I think it's time to stop trying to please everyone.  It is what it is. Let the developers speak. It is better that gamers don't walk away feeling their favorite developers got disrespected and it's better they walk away with some amazing game announcements and feeling like they wasted an extra hour of their life more than they should have. Guess what? Not everyone has to tune in. Not everyone has to watch. And yet a hundred plus million people keep tuning in every year anyways. So just put together the best damn show. You kind of don't worry about it. Like this happens in like sports also. Sometimes I like try to find ways to speed it up and it's not always better. And it sometimes makes for a worse product to watch. And not baseball, they got to make that even faster. Well, they did. They did make it faster. Ratings, ratings went through the roof. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they hadn't. There's been a lot of time wasted with pitchers for a lot. I'm really glad to kind of spend that up. That was a lot of wasted time. Like 20 years ago, it didn't need to be sped up. Like no, they were just going. Yeah. Yeah. But in today's game, they absolutely needed it. Yeah. Well, I mean, the batters themselves, too, would every pitch step out. Oh, yeah. Step out. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone was always just wasting time. Yeah. But that didn't really need to be wasted.  So it turns out maybe we shouldn't need to waste it. Well, what was interesting was the players that got like significantly better when they implemented the pitch clock. And then a few players got significantly worse. Yeah. And it was the ones that were taking all the time, you know, not out worse. Yeah. It is what it is, you know, like the batters that would always adjust things in between every pitch all the time and waste all this time. A lot of them did not have as good of a year.  I know you've been doing the same routine for like 30 years. I'm a I didn't swing at this pitch. Let me let me back out and adjust my gloves because they totally loosened up. Yeah.  Yeah. We need to adjust it, but it wasn't needed to. It was just a habit.    And the NBA might eventually take that routine away. I don't know. NBA games, though, don't ever because there's so much going on at once. That never really feels like it's too slow until the end. But most fans at the end don't care that it's slow because they just say, this is a tight game. Let's get it right. Not keep it. Do it right. Make sure the team wins. Don't say Eric's talking too much. All right, we're keeping it clean tonight. This is this is me. All right. This new me. This new me. You know, that new you is like the old you, right? What? This new you is like the old you. What do you mean? When we were talking before, like, hey, weren't you featured on like a major news network? You were totally keeping it clean. What? The first podcast? No. Oh, geez. The references already already go over his head. It's all right. What a major news network. And you're just like the first podcast. Yes. Yes, we're a major news. Yes, we're a major news network here. The Nintendo Prime News Network. We're a national TV news. And like, what do you have? What do you define as a network? Well, you have a million of eyeballs. It doesn't matter. You don't have to attract your own audience because the audience is provided for you. So a network is defined by audience size. Yes. No, it's not defined by audience size. When I'm what I'm saying is a major news network is one that provides you eyeballs. Your show doesn't have to get its own eyeballs. Like, you have a default audience every time. Oh, as an example, is that what it is? If ESPN took my podcast and threw it up, we would instantly have a significantly more viewers than we do now out of the gate.  Or maybe they would still prioritize more than we have now. Wait, so wait, I don't understand. Were you like, should we do a sports podcast? All four of us are like, like sports. I don't know why we don't do sports, I guess.  You're off the team. I'll be the star of your team. Oh, look at that. He comes in hard. Comes in hard. Anyways, let's let's get back to the game awards. So yeah, I guess that's really all my thoughts. I just think Jeff Keely should just stop care, stop caring and just not stop caring about the show, but stop trying to. I think he's trying so hard to like cater to everyone. And it's like, there's no other show where we walked away thinking the game developers were disrespected until this one.  There's no other, you know, this show, I felt like actually had one of the best mix of announcements. It felt very like there was something for everyone shown at this show. And I know that we didn't get a big except if you got a hard for Nintendo fan, I liked the announcements they had. Yeah. And like, I have a very strong feeling something like visions of Mana is going to end up coming to switch to because every monogame. I don't know why you're right. By the way, I ordered Monster in her world. I'm going to make sure to play. Yeah. The new Monster Hunter game coming out 2025. Don't know what that's coming out on yet. Like, I can't imagine you never played world. No. Oh, OK. And I and I'm a self-proclaimed Monster Hunter fan. Oh, man, you got it. Yeah, I know, I know. Well, the thing is, it might be a monster hunter on Nintendo, right? So I play that that's why. But well, it was like a PlayStation exclusive for a really long time. Wasn't it that was on both on PlayStation and Xbox? No, it was actually mainly on PlayStation handhelds, like the PSP in the world. Oh, I thought we're talking about world. You just, OK, yes, that that that that is true. Yeah, for sure. And I was talking about the franchise, like, yeah. And then they transitioned to 3DS or yeah. And then kind of got like a 10 year contract. Well, I mean, there was that I think the first monster was Monster Hunter Tri on Wii. That was my first experience of Monster Hunter. That was that was awesome. Well, the PSP ones predated the Wii one, for sure. Yeah. No, I'm just talking about like the first monster. Yes, the first monster he played. Oh, OK, got it. Yeah. No, yeah, I'm also there's before that, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, OK. Yeah, I'm aware of the PlayStation history. And then there was that transition. And then there's a little bit of a back and forth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so I'm excited to give world a try. I'm going to really fill out my Monster Hunter experience. The only thing that might be like hard, like it is a really I think I do like it more than Rise, but just because I played it.  Well, here's what's going to be tough about it. Is Rise added like the like the grappling hook and stuff? Oh, it's just that all the aerial. We don't have that. I mean, well, yeah, there's mounts in the world, right? World has. Yeah, but you don't have like the ziplock, like whatever you call it. The bug. Do you have the writing? The what? Can you ride the monsters? Yes. Yeah, you can. I think I think you can get on top of them, but can you actually like run around the map with them? Because you can do that in Rise. OK. Yeah. Yeah. I know that I know that in Rise, we use that to mount the monsters, but you can use it not just to mount the monster. I think is what Jake is saying. Like it's a wire bug. It's a wire bug. Yeah, it's a traversal tool as well. Yeah, I hope they bring back the wire bug, but it looks like the mountain wilds, though. Like it can both fly and run. So it may be kind of like a little bit of a hybrid. Yeah, it's still on the greatest game of last year, Pokemon, Scarlet and Violet. Yeah, but I don't care because Monster Hunter is better. All right. I've also played more Pokemon than I have. I've played Monster Hunter, so. I know you watched the show with me. Well, what did you really think of the Game of War? Does it, you know, now in hindsight, we're like a week out. Well, I mean, I enjoyed them. It was fun, but I think it makes a difference like that we watched them together. We're just like more enjoyable watching it with a friend. Yeah. And like we had the chat. So like that made it so much more fun than if I had just been like cold watching it. So I'm trying to I'm trying to think, what did I think of the actual show, not just like my experience, which involves other things? And like, I think if I had watched that by myself, I think I would have been bored for a lot of it. There would have been like certain things that excited me. But I don't know, it's an event that is made to stream to watch a streamer watch. You know what I mean to watch with other people? Because even if it was like really good show, best case scenario, like maybe like, you know, like a Nintendo Direct 40 minutes packed, right?  It's just not for you. It's not that it's even bad. I think it's intended to be like a giant community thing. Yeah. Exactly. It's an event already. So there's already a chat attached to every single stream of it. They are watching the show with you guys. Help me get through it. Yeah, they really try to make it a community event. And so it's never been hard. Like I actually look forward to the game awards every year. I enjoy the awards, especially when I saw how much it matters to the developers. You know, the announcements are always going to be hit or miss. That is what it is. You're going to get games you like or you're not going to. You know, that's that's the way it's going to be. I thought they had a good mix this year and there was plenty that I cared about. I mean, Visions of Mana still has me like. There's one I might play.  So I'm going to I'm I think I'm going to. You may have anticipated this, but I feel like we're going to touch a little bit on the debate I had yesterday during the switch to topic. But since you brought up Visions of Mana, though, I didn't know that he was talking to Botox games during the stream last night, like he's more of a Mana fan. I was aware that like like Mana has been big on Nintendo lately, but apparently like the Mana games even sell better on Switch and they've had like a lot of priority there. So it's actually really weird that there was no nothing Mana announced for Switch, especially because Square has that same engine they use for Dragon Quest 11 S games are very similar looking like they probably could get that running on Switch that they really wanted to. And they haven't. And so yeah, it's on PS4. Yeah, like like they could totally like I think they could totally have Visions of Mana come out later on for Switch, too. But it's just kind of odd that they wouldn't have something ready later on for Nintendo. Yeah, that that's what I'm kind of getting. Maybe later on, I think it's going to be on Switch two day one. But can't say that right now. It's not guaranteed, but it's it's interesting because Mana is so big on on Switch. Yeah, it's literally the biggest audience. That's why it just doesn't even make sense. So ignore that. Yeah, but I can see it possibly being a switch to a not coming to Switch, which it feels a little weird, maybe, but also, hey, you know what, if they're making it for these other platforms and they have the Dev hardware and they slapped it on there and like, do this thing runs great on here? Like why would we even attempt to put it on Switch? So much too much work. And they think there might be a big audience for Switch, too, which who knows? And maybe Visions of Mana, they think could be an evergreen Nintendo like title because Mana games have actually been a bit evergreen on Nintendo in the past.  That's just how we like it is the minor adjustments. I think it would look great.  So yeah, hopefully it's cosmetic options. Like I could put a bag on the set or something. There's almost there's always cosmetics. OK, so maybe there's a bag option. A bag. Yeah. And there's a lot of fans out there. I'm sorry, just insult. You know, we don't know if it's going to be good. The minus series is always like a hit or miss. Like, yeah, they have some really bad games. Yes. But then they also have some just, oh, my God, like this is one of the best action adventure RPGs of the year. They also have like average ones. So there's a little bit of everything. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm hyped because it looks like it might be a better one. But it looks really good. I've thought that about prior ones that didn't turn out. So yeah, a lot of games that seem really hype at first.  It comes and we're like, oh, this is mid at best. Yeah. But I think a lot of fans are seeing what I'm seeing, where it's like, you know, this looks like a return to form. And plus we haven't had that banger one in a bit. So it's like this might be finally that banger one that modernized. You remember how high people were for No Man's Sky? Yeah. Still. They had a new game at the Game Awards and it might be. Yeah. No, it's dissipated one. It looks really good. I didn't mean to bring up No Man's Sky to connect to that. But that game does look really good. Yeah. Yeah. Crap. I just interrupted you so bad. No, no, no, I'm glad you did because that game, I forget the name of it, but it's from the creators of them. Like, that looks really good. And I mean, they've got they've done a better job of making No Man's Sky actually interesting where like it came out at first and it wasn't very good. But over the years, they've made it a better game. So I hope that that knowledge and wherewithal is actually going to play a role in this one being pretty good. Yeah, because it does look pretty awesome. What's the name of it? Light No Fire, right? Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm asking. Well, yeah. Well, it's funny, though, because Light No Fire Starfield was eventually Bethesda making Skyrim in space. And Light No Fire is essentially No Man's Sky making No Man's Sky from space to like a Skyrim universe. Yeah. Maybe clean. No, someone's like, hey, you have that blue bottle again. I'll throw a super chat. It's like crazy. I mean, you mean the one that's literally right here? What is that sort of? Oh, it's the gold swagger. No, that's sky vodka. That's why I thought what I thought of Starfield. But the thing about like Elder Scrolls games, like it's a it's a whole it's a world that you can seamlessly explore, right? For the most part, you can't like Starfield is segmented. And I think that kind of takes it away. And that's one of the reasons why it kind of was turned off by it a little bit. True. Yeah. So just like what I mentioned, that disappointing distinction. So the other thing is that you have to like go to different planets, which is similar to Starfield, but Skyrim is one big universe. I would assume that this is what Light No Fire is a continuous world. Yeah, it's all in one place. You're not going to different planets. It's just like it looks awesome. Yeah, I agree, dude, flying around on the dragon looks sick. Yeah. And do you feel fast at what's going? Like you can like you can explore like so freely so quickly. That's what really intrigued me. Just to remind Jake that, you know, I think you should be known as Innu Nintendo. That's first of all, it's way too complicated. I'm already confused hearing that. And this is multiplayer. He's just the two inch destroyer. That's just all in your tender. Hey, there we go. I appreciate it.  I'm waiting for more superchats to come in and be like, you takes the man, he's the greatest. You know, it reminds me of it reminds me a little bit of arc. Hmm. Of what? An arc you can ride dragons or weapons. Oh, I never played that. So what was the point you were trying to make with no men's guy? I don't remember. I'm just at this time. I think we're just talking about this.  Yeah, yeah, it's going to be like, no, no, no. Who said you could have fun? Let's move on to the next topic, boys. No, I mean, do you want me to try and remember what? No, you had a point you were trying to make. And then yeah. Well, I mean, what's so great about no men's guy? I mean, it's like it's a game. Oh, right. OK. I remember now I just brought it up because initially like there's a lot of hype and excitement going into it at first. And when it came out, it wasn't that good. Like this happens a lot. There's a lot of games we kind of think. And you promise. That's amazing. Yeah, exactly. And then I mean, it happened like you'll watch dogs comes to mind. Like does the list goes on? No, I mean, don't actually. I'm actually I'm salty about about Phantom Liberty. Mm, OK. As a Xenoblade fan, Phantom Liberty had several nominations and it's objectively worse than Future Redeemed, which has zero. So another thing that happened in this last week was E3 getting canceled for good announced by the ESA themselves. Now we're done. Basically, it was a very short tweet for what used to be a massive part of this industry. E3 just is done. They're not even they've hired read pop like over a year ago to try to bring it back. They couldn't do it. And they said, we'll do it ourselves. And I'm guessing they decided to cancel it because if you can't get Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo there, no one's going to come. So we're not going to do it. And I'm guessing they none of them were coming back. Sony had already left years ago. Getting them back was already going to be really hard. And it turns out. I know a lot of people are blaming Nintendo and the Nintendo Directs for killing it. And I agree to a point that that created a shift in how and how game stuff was delivered. But Jeff Keely leave any threes would kill that. Apparently when Jeff Keely left E3 to start Summer Game Fest, he was like the person running E3. He was the one making the three happen. Now he left Summer Game Fest is a thing. Oh, and by the way, he's got the summer days of play now where you can go in person and play game demos just like E3. He literally was E3. So I think him leaving is really what killed it because he's still doing the E3 thing. It's just much smaller because he doesn't have as big a reach as a question. Question for you guys. Is Jeff Keely the face of gaming? No, the face of no. As a gaming has a game. Who's the face of gaming? Then if there's one person to represent all of the game industry, honestly, they're having a really good idea of how people feel about him. When the other day, E3 is done forever, right? Wario 64 tweeted about it before E3 even tweeted about it. And I posted the meme of like Spiderman like going like this or not Spiderman to flash like going like this on the like the grave. But it was with E3 over the tombstone and Jeff Keely's face. So he was like doing that on the grave of E3. And there are so many people that were like, fuck, Jeff Keely, like they were tagging him and like ripping on him. And I was like, yeah, the gaming community does not like Jeff. And I knew that a lot of people weren't fans, but I didn't know. Like Twitter is also super toxic. So take it with the greatest soul and Twitter is still. Yeah. The people like to say something. But you're looking good apparently. I'm I'm I'm on a chat from Izzy, right? Yeah, Izzy. Izzy's just like, you know, Casey, I appreciate you. I appreciate how good looking you are today. It is what it is. It was nice to me. I don't know why, but thank you. This is what happens when you keep about to get jumped the moment you leave the room. I sure don't say anything. My bad. Is there a bad way if you're in your own home? Is there a bad I'm not sure. I'm not sure that your own house. I would say it's pretty bad. I don't know. Place you would think you're safe, right? Well, because they're all you know what I mean. OK, I don't know. I don't know. A literal sense and not sexual, you weirdo. Oh, OK. Well, I feel like you're just gaslighting me. We're good to see that. I thought it was a more compliment than now. It's an insult. I don't even know. Sorry. Now I got to worry for your safety. I do see why you thought maybe that. But I mean, when I wait, well, in that case, I just don't understand why would I get? I would have said I would have said pounce if it was sexual. I said, oh, you're going to get jumped. That pounced. Oh, wait, why? Why am I going to get jumped? I still get it. You guys are being really nice to you.  Carb is going to catch up. Oh, it's like fattening the pig.  He has an idea with clean Jake. Leave him be. Leave him be. Yeah, I'm just trying to genuinely. I have a bet with myself that I can keep. I figured you had a bet with yourself on this. You know, apparently it's going to end badly with that. It's going to end very badly. And I kind of know it, but I'm trying. He's made it. He's made it an hour. Let him be. He's he's making progress. You know what's crazy? The one night I keep it clean. Everyone's being super nice. Yeah, right? All these compliments and people are even super chatting in to make sure we display it and get double reminded how good looking you are. Jake, you're so sexy. Jake, Jake, do you want to sleep with my wife? I'm like, guys, stop. All right, I'm keeping it clean. Actually, I did have someone say that to me on a live stream once they donated twenty dollars to say that. And obviously they were joking. But like their timing was it was hilarious already then. Yeah. And naturally I DM'd him and got his number and we're all close friends now. But so turn it, turn things around. There I don't think there is a face of gaming for start. I don't think it exists. The games are the stars. Yeah, maybe Mario or even even then. I mean, Sony crowd Mario doesn't matter. So for a guy, you know, PC crowd Mario doesn't matter. Yeah, it's all the games of the stars. I don't think there is like one thing that that encapsulates all of gaming like that.  Well, now and see, as you just felt bad. So no, what an absolute this is a petty one.  This is just. We're all going to get jumped in. We should watch your backs. Well, you don't need to say that. So it's not petty. Wait, what? Well, well, that doesn't mean anything could have felt bad. So it's because I'm not going to feature the comment. If it's not a super chat, they know this. This is this is how he just said it. Hey, you know what I mean? And I like them. West, I don't know why they needed the visual. Why am I highlighting Sam West? What did you do now? Oh, here we go. It's just going to continue. It's just going to continue. That box, you are so funny. That is that is classic comedy. Just so you know, my DMs are open on Twitter, but. All in good fun. Oh, geez. All right, oh, E3. Yeah, it's canceled.  Are you guys going to miss it? Yeah, I'm going to admit what it was, but that's been dead for a long time. Right. Yeah. It's kind of like we've all known this was coming. And we've kind of I feel like for me personally, I've already had my morning period. It is. I hate it. It is what it is. Yo, Izzy Diaz. What the heck?  Here we go. Not true, by the way. We've had ones of more than this, but that's OK. He's just saying that to get you to donate. Don't worry, Izzy, you're good. No, I'm literally about to grab a thing and do a shot to celebrate. Do a shot for the handsome boys. Exactly. I'm taking one for the team because we're all handsome, apparently, and there's been several comments about people hoping that I get smashed on the stream today. I don't know why. Apparently, I'm just more entertaining. That could that could be the case. But again, I did the thing where I misinterpreted what you meant by smashed. I'll see. See. You didn't see how easy that is because we all use words differently. Don't look at me. Like, I lived in PA for a few years.  That's that's not good. It is funny, though, how some people interpret words differently. I think a lot of it's based on what because it means different. It's how it's used in different parts of the country. Cultures. It is. Yeah. Like, yeah, it's we all know these things have multiple meanings, but like in your certain crowd, you might use it for once more popular than another. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So for me, here's the thing. I miss a few things about E3 that I know will never really be fully replaced. One of them, one of them, one of the biggest ones is a time of the year when we knew everyone was announcing things at the same time. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Ubisoft, Bethesda, EA, everyone, same time of year, same week. It's like it's like Christmas.  You don't got to watch the EA conference. Just watching the Nintendo one. But you just knew that week, every year, you were going to get a whole bunch of stuff. Like that's just awesome. And then I missed that because like Summer Game Fest has some of that. The Game Awards has some of that, but still like, hey, Nintendo didn't show anything at the Game Awards. You don't have to worry about that at E3. You were going to get all the companies showing something. And even after Sony left, oh, they would still conveniently do a showcase right around the same time anyways. So it kind of still worked out for a little bit. And I know that still sort of happens. Like Summer Game Fest has its show, Microsoft's been doing their show. You're still usually a Nintendo Direct in June, but it's not all in the same week anymore. It's more spread out. And I, as a gamer, don't really like that. Even though I'm a news channel, so having news spread out gives you more to cover on different days. So like for what I do for a living, it's actually nice because there's more news all the time. But man, I just, I, and the thing is, I got to go in person. And I've been in person at E3 three times. This is where you go beyond the press conferences. Having one event where every company brings their demos is awesome. It's just awesome. Yeah. And it was game developers, gamers and media all in the same building, literally walking shoulder to shoulder past each other. You can meet so many cool people in the industry, so many content creators. You'll bump into fans that might like, hey, no one says anything to me in Chippewa. Go out to E3. There's people in LA knowing me.  I don't know. You watch my channel. But dude, the thing is it's just not worth it anymore. It costs like millions of dollars. It always was relaxed. I would just fund it when you can do it online. And someone, this has been replaced, like, you know, like, like PlayStation to PSX for a bit. I think they started doing that again. I can't remember what they started doing. They're in person event again. Nintendo now is doing Nintendo, the Nintendo live thing. And now that we saw that they did Mario Wonder at the last one before the game come out. You know, you're starting to see that Nintendo might be setting up Nintendo live to be where they preview upcoming games like in E3. So now it's like, oh, I got to start planning to go to Nintendo lives. So it's, to me, it's just E3 is a relic of the past. And I think the big thing is, is that E3 at its peak, which I would say is like 98 to 2010. That 12 year period was like peak E3. I don't think we're ever gonna get anything in the industry that feels quite like that. Where that was gamer Christmas for everyone. We're never going to get that again. And I think the acceptance that there's not even going to be an attempt to get it again is just, and the funny thing is the irony with all the hate Jeff Keeligit, he's like the only one that still might sort of attempt to give us that a little bit like he's doing with Summer Game Fest. And we're going to hate on him. I get it. Some people just don't like to the Dorito Pellet School. I think he generally cares about games and the developers, but not everyone like the way he goes about things. I think it's tough when you are responsible for so many different companies working together. You have to be politically correct like all the time. And so that really ties you down. Yeah, he gets blasted a lot for not making stronger stances on certain things that happen in the industry. But that is true. And he's in such a tough position because he doesn't want to ruin relationships that affect future events. That's tough. Plus he's got to like totally stay dead center all the time. Yeah, like ever politically leave one way or another.  Yeah, and I'm telling people on all sides, yeah. The thing is no matter what he does, he's going to help set somebody. But when he does this, he's only upsetting fans. He's not upsetting companies. And companies give him money. Yeah, this is true. We'll just need to make sure that Aaron Rass wanted to make sure for $5 that Andres got some props. I appreciate the props. Thank you, Aaron. Yeah, yeah.  Like I can close my eyes. I imagine that even though he's like at home and like by himself at the moment in the room, he probably is wearing some nice cologne just because. I don't wear cologne if I'm not going out. I see. I think his max body is just intoxicating. I do use deodorant, like, you know, well, I was OK. If you don't use deodorant, you're a savage. Sorry. Just say I got a good whiff of you at PAX and I liked what entered my house. He's in public. Yeah, I did put on cologne that day. But did you really? I don't remember, honestly. I thought you smelled good, but I was wearing cologne the whole time. I always I'm out right now. I'm literally out of it right now. So I can't wear it. But it's all right. Next paycheck. Well, Varen Burby's asking. How do you brush your lips? There's always one cologne that we never run out of.  I smell. You know, I don't think you have a baby. Babies don't always smell so sweet. OK, my baby does. Wait, so you use up all your cologne on babies.  That's what he's getting out of it. And this is why this is why I've never. I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, I want to shout anyway. So I'll throw the easy Diaz one up for the two dollars. Let's take a shot out here if you win right now. Yeah. So I normally on podcasts only do shots when we get like big. The orange super chats. But you know what? For you guys, screw it. You guys have been a fun crowd. Throw it back. Before I throw it back, give me a drink. I need a chaser. This is my first shot of the night. And I have nothing but hard liquor. It is what it is. Hard liquor. I got to tell you. I got to tell you. You're keeping it clean. I got it.  I said, I said, I don't want that stream sometimes. Like it's never do it if you're not comfortable with it. But I have so much fun with me in the audience and they know. Like we throw it back on my lives. Like it's just fun because.  We all want to just chill. And it's just it just creates that chill vibe. But I also know that I happen to be a hell of a lot of fun when I drink. So, you know, that's that my my my chat's a bad influence on me. Do you want to have fun? I will say that people do like it when I'm drunk.  Well, my chat wouldn't know. I don't know. I'm just saying in real life to do a single shot when we went up. When we went up, I will do it.  We didn't really have time to just kind of like, you know, saving on a time. I remember a specific night with Jake Randall. I was up to like two in the morning and still got up the next day and went to pass, even though I was drunk. Well, some of us are troopers and some of us are some of us are from Wisconsin and we know how to handle our liquor. It is what it is. I just have a problem with drinking when I have something to do early in the morning. Well, yeah, that's why it's like I do every morning. I have children. I feel like I have a hard time breathing when someone's strangling my throat. It's like, yeah, yeah. So the thing is, yeah, I would rather not. It's kind of violent, I guess, but like, it's not like dirty. Oh, I can't. Yeah, I really want to get to this. Let's do topic that I have to put up with this. OK, we actually have some really good time. We haven't even gotten to the Zelda stuff yet. This would be of some really big topics. But just I'll feature a few more super chats that are relevant here. Guys, remember if you submit $2 and have super chats for questions, we actually have a Q&A specific section. So some of you guys have asked some questions I'm saving for that. But yeah, for me, I don't like being someone and Eric knows like Eric. What's going to E3 just like, man, like we don't get to have this experience anymore with the packs was nice. Yeah, E3 was just different, man. Yeah, it is. It really is. I'm going to miss it for sure. It gave me something to, you know, look forward to to kind of get away from the area, you know, nice warm climate. Well, you know that more than me, because I'm always working. You have to go on. Oh, I'm seeing the Hollywood sign, although that wasn't a very good trip for you. No, that one wasn't. But he's going to the only thing I actually think I ever did when we went out there as we went to a Dodger game once. Yep, we did. Otherwise, did I ever like not work? No, it was always because as I just like say, oh, business trip, E3 was a very business trip.  I have hours and hours and hours of footage. And then I get back to the hotel and we order some food and I'm just sitting there work, work, work, work until like 2, 3 a.m. Have to get back up at 5 a.m. Turn back around and do it all over again for like four or five days straight. But I loved it, man, because you never knew what was going to happen. Like, hey, I'll say this. I am so glad E3 2019 I got on stage to do the Just Dance. It was a bucket list item for me ever since they started doing those Just Dance stage shows at E3 and we'd always see it. You know, you're watching at home. Oh, haha, it's Just Dance. I want that to be me, actually. So E3 2019, I went up on stage. There was footage on my channel. I mean, dancing for like four minutes straight. I killed the dance. Watch me do it. I look, I'm the fattest guy on the stage and I'm just nailing it. Oh, stop it. Dude, I'm so I used to be just so like so. So they show you there's a there's a screen for you to mimic. And I did no problem. There were none of the moves. It just a finger guns. That's I wanted to have fun, man.  It says, see you next year. See you never again. I don't know. Like for me and I never got to go back when E3 was really in its heyday, our first E3 was 2016, which was, by the way, when you're a mega Zelda fan, doesn't E3 get better than Hyrule being built and you get to spend four straight days in Hyrule? I don't know. I don't think it really gets much better than that. Yeah, I'll say that that's maybe the thing that's going to bother me the most is not having the opportunity. I know we got the opportunity to go to an event like that. We're going to set it up like now you kind of do.  It just not going to be at E3. Yeah. Nintendo Live still does. Like the footage is often there. They're kind of cool. I said it or like actually getting to play stuff and you know, it is. Yeah, I said this on Monday. Right. I said this on Monday and I'm going to say it again. And I'll probably say it a few more times and try and will it into existence? But there's anyone out there that is a contact or has a contact with Nintendo and or Retro Studios. Let me know my business email. Send me an email when you're ready to start that campaign for Metroid Prime 4 and you're going to invite people in to play the game. And the private demo session that I think I will be one of the best. I will fly in the red and then maybe let's go like, I mean, seriously, think about think about all the all the all the Nintendo content creators. How many of them know why? Why is why is the industry started? Nintendo Prime bunking up out and why am I seeing a vlog in Redmond? Where Nintendo or Nate's showing up a sign in front of Nintendo? No, I'm out. I can't talk about it. And yeah, and yeah. Hey, wait, wait, wait, what are you about? Well, I already said too much. He broke into the building. Now I'm not allowed and it's just me because I won't break squad. So my wife make you spaghetti and meatball. Now, you can always mention that you're under NDA. If you actually read the NDA, is you're allowed to mention you're under NDA? So that's why you can't talk about things. But anyway, when you go to demo events, I've been the one before. Yeah, it's very much like you could say that you're in town, but you that's a me. That's all you can say. So because they can't tell you. Oh, when you're not here, you can't talk about where you are. Well, of course you are. You just can't. They really don't care that people know that you're playing. They just they don't want you talking about it until the NBA does this thing. But anyways, it's kind of like because our content creators all the time a little tweet, oh, hey, I'm I'm out here and they're usually not there. You know, it's a demo event. You probably know exactly what game it's for. You know, it's all right. It's not that big a deal. As long as you're not leaking stuff from the game until this time. Yeah. And they are very well at these demo events, very, very well. Sometimes sometimes there's like an after party with drinking and you're literally there with employees from the company. Like, yeah, I would get like a record that happens at these demo events. Can you do would we be able to do interviews? Can you imagine interviewing my brothers? You like, OK, like just think about though, like there's been so much mystery around Metroid Prime 4, like people are going to really want to hear about some stories from some of the devs at Retro Studio. It's like it's got to be interesting. Yeah. Yeah, probably is interesting. So my work email, if you check my about page, my about my YouTube or my Twitter team restart on just restart dot com. I'll be there. Honestly, I'll sign that NDA. Right. I'll sign that NDA. Um, all right. So let's let's maybe let's move on. Well, do you guys have anything else? Anything like I really want to make sure Eric get the chance to talk here because he really like, I don't know if Eric ever thought he was going to get to go to E3 new and then I made it happen. Yeah, right. And by the way, thank you because you also helped in certain financial situations. So I mean, in in the community, help to all the community that first year, that first year for Nintendo Prime. Yeah, 2016 was not. That was outside of pocket. Both of us. Are you your daddy? Yeah, that's there. There's well, some of the situations were shouldn't have been the way they were. We had a hotel situation that just no idea car rentals. And one of the like all these hidden fees that you get there. And they're like, oh, now we need an extra 300. What do you mean extra 300?  Well, I was like, that was like just out of packs here. I mean, we got there and all of a sudden they're like the car here's an extra couple hundred because oh, my God, the car. It's like, why wasn't this an option up front? Oh, why didn't you check the prepay for tolls before you? I just don't want to be started on humanity. Yeah. Society and just how you get there. And I'm like, I got a certain budget.  Not like we can complain too much about our last two trips. Because since like, look, we have a private investor. I've talked about it before. So like almost everything's paid by somebody else. They get there.  But yeah, dude, it's. Yeah. But to kind of wrap it back to the topic here. Yeah. Honestly, I think the thing I'm going to miss most.  Pax, Pax was a lot of fun. But E3, there's just something about the theatrics of the booths. And, you know, and you just walk into completely different worlds, just walking around it. It Pax was great, but it's it was just a whole bunch of just booths. It was there was no fanfare. There was no nothing. Yeah, you don't really feel like you're walking in the world. There is something magical about a live hardware reveal. And we'll probably not really again. Yeah, because that's never happened at the Gay Lords.  He's got to meet some people and now I'll probably never go back. Sorry. Yeah. They probably never come back. Discovered. I don't like $15 beers in Boston. It's OK when you say live. Like you said you had it on the bottom live game system reveal. Do you mean like like a whole presentation or just like a teaser? No, like, literally, they brought out DS over the pocket at the. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that is cool to see like that.  Yeah, yeah. It was a crowd reaction. Or like as I put in my one video when I've reported the news, I put in the Twilight Princess reveal that nobody thought was coming. Because we just got Wind Waker six months prior. And then crowd with nuts and mule motos on stage. And you hear this guy yelling, you're the man really six months later. Yeah, yes, that's why it was seven. No, what was it? Didn't they show Twilight Princess at E3 2004? When we were here in November of 2003. No, it came out November 2002 or December 2002 in Japan and then March 2003. Hold on. Yeah, maybe it's March. How do you remember that? Keep up. Maybe it looks enough already. Just have a good memory. How did I look that up in five seconds? You like that might only take five seconds to type in when Waker really stayed in Google. Anyways, but no, that was the point, though. The point was like, Wind Waker had just come out. No one expected. It was a quick turn. I'm not trying to say it wasn't a quick turn. I just want to look it up. Someone looked it up. Yeah, I literally haven't looked up to. Yeah. Yeah. So it didn't originally drop in 2002 in Japan. 2000 March, March in North America in March and 2003 that's great. You must have looked that up recently or something. Um, I look at research for videos. Yeah, that's very much it. Yeah. Like, anyway, the point was it was in most of the world that came out in 2003. No one thought we were getting a new 3D Zelda reveal literally the next year. And then it happened, which was crazy. And people went nuts. People didn't even know it was Zelda when it first went on the screen. I'm really like, wait, what is this? And then when it's all Link on the Horse, everyone just. And people don't remember how crazy it was about it. You see Link on the Horse and they're swinging his sword, hitting enemies.  And it should be noted that during that time that was when the Lord of the Rings movies were coming out. And there was a huge Lord of the Rings inspiration. So it, that was such a good E3, though, because that E3 had Resident Evil 4 and also Metro Prime 2. That was that was one of Nintendo's best E3s. And Miyamoto on stage, you know, we're the end where Link sheaves the sword and then the camera pans out. And Miyamoto is in the exact same stances link with the sword and shield and then unsheaths the sword. And like everyone was just like, no one expected Miyamoto to even be there in person because he wasn't always there in person at the shows at that time. And all of a sudden here he is.   I have to pull the sword.  Who was the producer? I mean, Anuma was the director back then, right? Yeah. I did. Did he produce? I thought at that point, Miyamoto wasn't the producer anymore, but I could be wrong. Yeah, I'm some I'm curious. I'm not sure. I know Anuma was a director. No one was the director since what, Majora's Mask? Yeah, I guess he still was the producer. Miyamoto was so producing. Yeah, but not directing. And no, no, Anuma was directing. Yeah, I knew I got got got the takeover directing after Majora's Mask. Yeah, that was like the game he proved himself with. Anyways. Dude, I forgot that Anuma was actually one of the writers on the game, too. But for him. Really, just E3 was just so special back in those days. And that was kind of the heyday, like Nintendo's last live show kind of went out with a whimper. That was the ending with Nintendo Land, which is ironic because Nintendo Land's actually a really damn good game. But it was like a not a reading the room moment. Yeah, just your big thing at the end of your show is this like everyone's dancing on stage party with an arch that says Nintendo Land is. We were like, so that's it. Yeah, yeah. But like you showed a side scrolling Mario Cool and this. There's so there's nothing. I think that's part of why the system coming out and there's like nothing.  Like is the year prior because they show up the Wii U at what E3 2011. And that was like right. They they had that tech demo that made that look where it all looked amazing. Oh, yeah. And has never had a bird demo as well. That looked pretty good. Yeah. And then and so what we get for the launch instead is a 2D Mario game. Yeah, that's why Mario game. It feels like it could have been on the prior system. And then this weird Nintendo Land game that we still didn't know what it was at the time. It was it was a really bad launch with very high expectations. It was also with completely dead momentum. You know, I didn't realize this until yesterday. During the debate we had, but apparently there's only two Wii games that were published by Nintendo in the year 2012 before like that. That's just crazy. Like that's what Nintendo used to do. Like that's just insane. Finally, you're going to do a platform. They were just one of the RPGs. Was it one? Yeah, it wasn't one of the ported RPGs and technically auto-releasing Japan like three years prior. I don't remember one of them's like either either Xenoblade or no, no, no, those are too high. No, it's worse than that. What was the third one? But after Pandora's last story, Pandora's last story with the other one, that's that project rain or something. So but it wasn't it wasn't one of that. That was 2012. Got it. OK, OK, I don't remember. I remember a long time to get those out. Yeah, well, back then everything went by a lot slower. So speaking of new systems launching, actually, we can't do the transition. It's a perfect transition, but I can't do the chat dirty. We had some E3 super. That was a perfect transition, but we had some super chats already three want to make sure our audience gets their say. And I would not say five dollars has two questions, which are favorite memory of E3 and over under on six titles announced at TGA without switch logo that eventually are revealed to come to switch to. Oh, by the way, Jake, you're right. Zeno Bay was localized in North America 2012. It already came out, which is why I didn't pop up on the list when I checked it yesterday. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, what's your guys's favorite E3 memory? So we'll probably never talk about E3 again after today. So I think it is the E through 2004. Zelda trailer. OK, Jake. Yeah, honestly, the E3 that I look back at the fondest was one that I wasn't really even like in tune for, but it's one that I've just watched like in retrospect, which is like the first ones like where the original PlayStation was announced and they had like crash on stage and like I just love that era so much. So when I think of like my favorite moments of E3, even though that wasn't one that I was like watching live, like that's always where my brain goes. That's a good one. Magical times. Honestly, my favorite moment like the 2004 is sort of top with Nintendo. And by the way, other companies have had some really big moments there as well. But you guys know, I'm near and dear to Nintendo. When he pulled the Wii out of his jacket. This this is the GameCube replacement and you pull it out of your jacket. And this was after showing off some pretty hype stuff. That is pretty bad.  And all of a sudden it's going to be on the thing that you pulled out of your jacket. What? I remember the revolution trailer, which is a codename for the Wii, right, at least we can call it revolution, like the first trailer. And we saw the controller. I remember my response to that trailer as I was watching it. Like the first time we see the controller, I'm like, because there are rumors, you know, like I was on the message board like getting really excited, like all the Nintendo revolution, like all that cool stuff.  What did you do, Nintendo? And then they reveal the nunchuck and I was like, oh, OK, maybe this could work. Yeah, it was really different. Yeah, Eric, Eric had one analog stick for that entire gen. That's insane. Yeah, right. Eric, favorite memory. I think it was sitting there watching the trailer for Breath of the Wild and then finding out the name of the game. Just remember sitting at E3 and just watching, watching that and everybody just going absolutely insane and then turning around and going in the plan and play it. And just that whole thing was fantastic. Yeah. And then finding out the best pizza in the whole world. But here we go. You know, that's what I will never get it. Well, we'll go back to the Nintendo worlds out there. I got reasons to make trips. Got reasons to make trips. Bring back Space World. Fat tomato pizza. And besides, if I ever get invited like the summer days of play, that's out there. Thank you. So let's see here. And then the second question was that this was more related to the TGAs and Switch 2, saying over under on six titles that were announced at the Game Awards that didn't have a Switch logo that are eventually revealed to come to Switch 2. So sort of like a bet. What are we going to be going on the over and the under on six? So more than six, less than six. Well, that's I would I would say the second thing kind of like a cheat because there's all those segments are probably coming to Switch 2. There was five shown off. Hey, are you taking me over? There will be more than six games shown off at the game over on Switch 2. He's taking me over. Right. We don't have anything on the line right now. But I just got wrecked too straight. I'm I'm willing to go for a moment. I'm willing to bet Nate's YouTube channel. I already bet my YouTube channel. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that in the next segment. Oh. Yeah, Jake, Jake, Jake might take the bet on him that I'm really in trouble because I can't be a Jake in bets, apparently. Um, I'll take the under trying. You know, he's taking me under. He doesn't think all those Sega games are coming. Look at that. You can't count all of them as different. Why not? I don't think they're all different games and I'll take the other properties. Well, if they're all separate releases, like how they are going to be new games. Now, that's like, yeah, I get that. But like it's like the Sega Ages collection. Yeah, they are like all different games for three dollars. But I still know what these are. No, they're brand new games in each of those IPs that they're not like these are these are each individual games. Yeah, the release. OK, but it is like a grouping. Like even like when they're announced, they're grouped together. That's why I associate them that way. But if you want to do it that way, fine, I'll take you over because all those IPs are from the same era. That's why they well, that's kind of like that's kind of like grouping all the games that came out in 2017 on switch. Like they just had a trailer that showcased their their current projects. Like that's what it is.  I'll take the over. Maybe he thinks it's going to be a collection pack. In that case, it would be one release. Well, no, I don't think it's going to be. I just like I think it's kind of cheap. I think it's obviously over if you do that. So I think it's kind of cheap. But yeah, it's fine. You will count it. I'll take the over. I think without Sega, it's still over. OK, yeah, that's a better. Yeah, without Sega. I would even without Sega, including. OK, all right. How about this over under five titles without Sega? See, that you just took the over on six without Sega. So. Well, what else would there be? Motswater Wilds, Visions of Mana. GTA six wasn't at the award show, right? No, no, I wasn't. I mean, I don't know. You know, I haven't got switched to if I had to. I'd probably still go under. I'm over. It is like the fire comes.  I'll take the over on 10. I'll take the over on 20. I don't even know how many of them are showing off. I'll take the over. And I do. I basically became Mike Odyssey. Remember when he used to be on our show all the time and he was always over hyping everything? That's I don't recall that. Are you sure you have the person's name right? Yeah, this is before you were a regular.  I mean, I'm just taking the over the under Eric is he's actually being this one and looking up what was announced that he did the game awards. See, I wanted to say three. Damn it. Yeah, I heard my message. Over under, buddy.  That's Xbox exclusive. Just let you know. Yeah. And well, no, I'm just just going to go through the games. But yeah, that works too. I'm over. I guess. Sure. Why not? Because reasons. Hell, yeah, I have no. I'm loving all the overs. I have no if that fits my show perfectly. So, yeah. The governor said he also provided a good opportunity for game industry, people and media to network. Absolutely. Insane networking at the event. Insane.  You get to meet them.  And then ticker's extensive E3 eradicated, expired, expulsed, sad trombone. Yep. Man, that's deep. Sorry, I was getting late. Let's move on. Oh, I'm boobity at one. I can go now, Andre. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How late was your show last night? My show always goes that late. How late was your show last night? Yeah, but imagine doing that back to back to back. How late was it? Can we know? It was I was done live streaming at 11 and he was still streaming. I started before a stream and ended after a stream. We I started at 730. So did you first one in last one out putting in? Yeah, I'm always on time. You're not. I was on time. Who's on time? Who's on time? Oh, all right. Whatever, man, about same time. Fine. I'll give it to you.  Me too. Me too. But you know, when my show goes to every time, I don't hear any complaints. You know, the thing is you dip anytime you want. You know that, right? You're not required, but I mean, only one required to be. Listen, there's a difference because we were talking about Hey, hey, we talked about switch to time just flies.  All right. Boomin, he said my mouth is not a little bit bigger than that.  Like as Nintendo guys, we focused on our new mobile. A lot of people felt like everyone was.  I need to do another shot. So we're going to get that. We're going to go ahead and get the other shotting because we did technically cross another $20 in super chat. So, you know, I'm just going to do it. It is what it is. That being said, shall we get to the switch to topic? And while I do the shot, does somebody else want to talk about it? Next topic. Hey, yeah, I'm actually because I've been waiting for this because it does time to stem from the debate I had yesterday. It kind of left the lasting impression on me. And I really want your takes on this. So while you're getting drunk, I actually am going to give you some credit. So Bo and Tucker actually prepared. They worked together for a few hours and prepared imagery for the debate that I did by myself yesterday, which yeah, because Rob, Rob, yeah, he got busy. I think if Rob and I were together, we would have, like, won the debate. And so it's more debatable. Who won the debate? They prepared and you weren't got it. I mean, I did research. You thought you thought it was going to be an easy win and they came in and got compelling. Oh, they had one.  I'm sorry. Are you talking about what the rumors are? We were talking about it, right? Like, I think you and I are talking about because we already know, like, you know, and else. And we got to look at the audience. So what are we talking about? So last eight days, right? Right. So last night, I had a debate on my channel, a live debate. Wait, Nate was there. Nate was part of it. He just he just. No, I was in the chat a little bit here in the chat. Oh, OK. All right, I would have filled it if I had known that Rob wasn't going to be there. But yeah. So I had a live debate. It was me, Botox Games and Backlog Banter. The idea was to have a 2V2 of a team in 2024, 2025, debating when Nintendo Switch 2 is coming out what year. And that that was that was basically the convert, like the live stream. So we opened up. Wait, you have to do against one. I was the one.  All right. Yeah, I felt confident about it. So I wasn't too worried. But after doing the stream, I kind of I think what happens is when two people are talking versus one, there's a psychological effect of, well, they're literally talking more because it's I don't want to be rude. Yeah, right. And just over talk them. But by not being rude, I also allow them to dominate the conversation because it's yeah, people versus one, right? So, you know, that said, I still made all my points. So whatever. I mean, it was a good conversation. I mean, I think it's wild. Like, obviously, you're right. Like, well, well, OK, OK. What we haven't even got to is part of what, like, like, Team 2024 versus Team 25. We get to it in a moment. There's actually rumors out there, not just about 2024, right? There's a whole bunch of people. Rumors about to be in, like, early next year, which is the crazy thing. I just want to bring these two things up quick and then we'll get back to this 2024 versus 2025. Because I am interested in what that point was they made that was really good about 2025. I think it's a good point. Yeah. But there's two particular sources last week that brought up about Switch coming out early or Switch 2 coming out early next year, which a lot of people think, yeah, 2024 is obvious. Not most people don't think early 2024 is really going to happen. Maybe an announcement, but not a release. They're talking release. So one of them is Rev Genus over on Twitter. He's a known Samsung leaker. Nintendo is partnered with Samsung already with Switch. Probably going to be partnered with manufacturing with Switch 2. So he gets a lot of inside information on upcoming Samsung products based on manufacturing. If you go visit, it's what you're going to see. I'm just tons of Samsung leaks like crazy. But he put out there saying that it looks like Switch 2 is coming out early next year.  Okay, cool. Maybe he's just throwing an opinion out. But then Zubi Tech, who's one of the largest and most well-known PlayStation leakers, also had a leak for Switch 2. They say that Switch 2 early next year with a January event. And the crazy thing about Zubi Tech, because I didn't really know a lot about it, I knew he was, you go to him. I followed him on Twitter because he does PlayStation leaks and I like to stay up to date with what's going on with PlayStation. But like, Zubi Tech is so well known that the head of PlayStation Studios follows the guy. So does Digital Foundry. Like serious people are following him because he has leaked things that are a big deal. So that's kind of very just fascinating on its own. I don't know that I'm like, oh man, this thing's coming early next year. But we potentially have a manufacturing person. We potentially have someone who's obviously connected with studios with another company. I'm assuming if he's hearing this stuff, he's hearing it from a third-party studio that's bringing something to Switch 2 that heard when the reveal's coming because they would know when their game's gonna be shown off for it and blah, blah, blah.  But these are like two new people that I didn't pay a lot of attention to that just digging in. It turns out that- They don't have any kind of stuff. Yeah, like you won't pay that much attention to them but they actually are pretty damn good and pretty damn reliable based on what I was able to research about them and the way that the other communities around them talk about them. They're very well respected. Even though, I'm gonna tell you right now Nintendo fans, don't dig too deep in the Zubi tech because he is a massive fanboy and he trashes Nintendo and Xbox any chance he can get. He's a super Sony fanboy. So he would rather get- Super Sony fanboy. Is he so much of a fanboy that- Yeah, that's the thing is like, would he fake it? And he said to someone in, someone asked him about that. He said in a reply, no, no, no. Like this is just- Why would- Why would he- I'm sharing that. Wait, wait, what did he say? What did he say? What did he say? I don't know. What his credibility on the line? Yeah, it would ruin his credibility if he did that. So what did he say? I'm sorry, I couldn't hear- Oh. Because a lot of us were talking at the same time. What did Zubi tech say? Oh, yeah, he said something in the replies. Oh, yeah, he replied to someone who said, oh, are you trolling? And he said, no, this is something I actually heard. So it would be a reputation thing if he was just doing it to piss people off. And then obviously we have Rev Genius who didn't say there's a January event, but he did say early. And when you say, when I think early, to me, that's first four months. Once you get past the first third of the year, now you're more towards the middle. I would say early is first half, technically. I don't think that's early then, if it's first half. Like, if it's June, that's the middle of the year. If it's May, it's over. I understand what you're saying, but if we want to go with technicalities, right? And like, if it ends up coming out May or June, no one- I don't think anyone considers that early. No one's going to say they were wrong. Well, yeah, if it's May or June, I think they might say it's wrong, because that's the middle of the year. No one considers June early. Okay, let's ask the chat. What is early? Yeah, is June compared early in June? Before you ask, before you ask chat, like, it would be early compared to holiday predictions. But that's not what they said. They said early 2024. They didn't say early holiday, like, compared to holiday. They just said early compared to the year, early 2024. So it's June early. I want to ask the chat, because that's almost to my birthday, and I don't think it's to my birthday to be early in the year. I also feel like we're splitting hairs here. Jan to April. I agree, I agree. First four months, man, that's early. I don't know. August is still early? Yeah, people say August is early. What do I know? What do I know? Second half of the year is early, baby. Hey, get fucked.  Whoa! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, December is early. November is early. You know what? December 31st is early, 24, at this point. Yeah, it is. First quarter, yeah, that's the first three months. So I don't know. I was giving credit the last April slip in. I truly believe early means the first quarter, but I was like, yeah, I'll give them one extra month on top, because it's still the first third of the year at least. Anyways, do you guys think there's anything to this? I mean, obviously, if a January event happens, I have one more question. Before you say that, I have one more question. Chat, do you think if you had to choose, not middle, if you had to choose early or late in a year for a new hardware release, would you consider June to be early or late if those were your two choices? I'm gonna enter chat and say early. I know you're gonna do that. Anyway, setting aside that, that's the rumors from people who are supposedly reputable. I don't know what to think. I just know. Oh, yeah. I am excited about next year. I'm very confident Switch 2 is coming out next year. Now, I may have my own source on this. Actually, I do. I straight up put it in a video. Is your own source telling you the timeline? No. They were too afraid. No. Oh, the wink. Look, there's some NDA stuff involved. I don't want to like put anything out there. I may have an idea. Oh, so it is. No. You may have an idea. But it's 2024. I will DM you. Never.  Moving on. I usually share. This is, this is me. This is different. This is, I don't want to get this. This is me. Sitting in a dumpster. If you were here in person, maybe I'd tell you. Eric doesn't even know how much the plan ticket going to cost. How much I keep it private. Like this is the respect I have when I have like an actual real source. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. I respect you for being a terrible 2024. So it's coming 2024.  I think he's being a pretty good friend. I want to be clear about this. This is not Nintendo. So it's not Nintendo meaning that it could things could change. It's fluid. Nintendo makes the ultimate decision. This is just what they were told. 2024, I am on like, even without this source. I was already like, it's coming 2024. I'll give you one good reason. And now we have, you know what reason you didn't have yesterday? How about the fact that switches the fastest declining selling system in November, year over year? Yeah, it's a shame we didn't do the debate today. Didn't have that. Yeah, didn't have that data yesterday that dropped today. I'm not only double digit. It's the biggest decline of all the system year over year. So switches obviously, you know, people might panic over that. Nintendo knew like that's why they didn't adjust because they were having a first two quarter. They knew this holiday wasn't going to be big for them. They thought they fought tooth and nail. It announced more bundles than they ever have had before. Yeah, like Nintendo, I mean, they didn't do a price drop. They chose not to a price drop. They could have did that and then they might have adjusted sales if they did. Sure. But the same time, like the thing about a price drop is, yeah, you're going to sell more systems, but also you're going to make less money. Yeah.  You might not make less money because if you sell enough more systems. Oh, yeah, that's why price drops do happen. But obviously, I didn't think it was worth it. Yeah, you're muted or I'm muted. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. There's a thing happening at the end of the Bucks game. They just won and Yannis and Halliburton are just going at it right now. Screaming at each other just went absolutely sprinting and he's telling them like get him off my court. I don't know what the hell is going on right now. Yannis just absolutely never happens into the game. I don't know what the heck happened in the game is over. The Bucks won. I don't really know what the controversy was. Sorry, a big Bucks fan. And I'm like, I've never seen Yannis. Yannis just a star player like that, like that. Sprinting off the court with people chasing him. Holy crud. Oh, yeah, I kind of I kind of want to look this. Yeah, there's going to be news about it. Yeah, probably all over Twitter already. I'm I'm I'm sure there was something that happened. Something happened after the game. I don't I don't know what it was, but it pissed Yannis off. That's for sure. Maybe someone else got suspended indefinitely. No, no, there wasn't anything that happened in game that was that bad. Yeah. I mean, Yannis, by the way, just just just because we're talking about it. He did drop 64 points tonight and scored 26 in the fourth quarter. So I throw that out there. How much? How much? Twenty six points in the in the quarter. He dropped 64 for the game. He's plus 29.  He made 24 today out of 32 out of 32, because they were following him like crazy in the fourth quarter. Well, that's a that's what? Sixty six percent. That's not good. But yeah, 24 to 32 is not good. What are you talking about? Oh, it's like 70 percent. It's not that's not good. What are you talking about? It's 75. What? That's the best he's ever shot in his career. I was going to say that. Fantastic. If you hit three out of every four free throws, that's good. For Yannis, he did. He did not hit three out of every four. He did. Factually, seventy five percent. Twenty four divided by thirty two is seventy five percent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, you're right. I would consider at least 80 percent to be good. But for Yannis, he's a shoot. Sixty percent. That's good for him. Yeah, so there is a thing. He's a running. No, no, in 75 percent in fairness to him. I mean, he's right, right? Like that is above average for him. Per him. But it's not good like in general. No, it's a big improvement. How about this? How about shooting seventy one percent from the floor? Is that good? That's great. Because that's what he did today. That's that's got that. It's one hour we're talking about. Anyway, yeah, so Yannis is amazing. All right, so he is. Anyway, it's moving on. Switch to sorry. I'm more interested in like what they were fighting about after the game. I don't know. I am too, man. I just love the NBA. So when they like, hey, the Dreyman, we talked about that earlier. And then what is this about you? I will be looking at the highlights when like after the podcast. Yeah, clearly, I'm going to be looking at it. Oh, OK, not save it. We're going to save it after the show. All right, back to what we were talking about, sorry to interrupt. No one even remembers anymore. You just you just tired to switch to care about switch to anymore. You're ready for switch three, obviously. No, all right. So how about next year? Come on, let's get in the train. Hold on. Megan, switch your train. What was the evidence in the debate yesterday that that. Oh, cool. 2025, like the one that was really good. But yeah, and for the record, when I say really good, that doesn't mean it changes my mind. It's just a solid argument. They made a good point. It's a point that's that I I can't necessarily refute. It was one of those that she hesitated for two seconds. So it was on a great point, but no, unexpected. Well, I knew this one was coming, but that I still can refute it. Yeah, it doesn't mean anything necessarily, but it's a good point. It's a good point. It's all it is. I'm just wondering what your 2025. All right. So I'm going to share it. Actually, the chart you share. Sure thing. Yeah. So let me know when you can see it. And share it. Wait, so you see this chart they made? That's almost the reveals, right? So this is the the dates for when the code names for each respective Nintendo system in the 21st century was revealed. And then when the actual system was showcasing, the actual system came out. And so by looking at these code names, right, like basically, you know, we haven't gotten a code name reveal for Switch, right? And then so even in the best case scenario, which was, I think, the 3DS. Yeah, March 2010 to to a release of February 2011, 11, an 11 month window. Like this would suggest that since we haven't gotten an official code name reveal from Nintendo, that Switch 2 is not coming out next year. If assuming this code name pattern makes any sense. My counter to it was just I just don't think they're going to do with the code name reveal or if they will, it's going to be a hell of a quick turnaround quicker than any of these. But I'm kind of curious what your perspective is on this, because this is the history. So my perspective is that history is under prior presidents and not the current. I did say that. And I don't think that the code name reveal thing is going to keep happening. People forget that the reason and I'm going to bring up Switch in this case, because that's the most recent example. The only reason they even told us the code name, and I don't think we would have known the code name otherwise, was because they announced the partnership with Denna and they wanted people to be scared because they thought maybe Nintendo was going to go all in on mobile.  They literally said this when they revealed the code name. Like we're doing this because we don't want people to think we're not. We don't have, you know, we know our current systems aren't doing well. We don't want people to think we're abandoning making systems. So, you know, we have a new system and works code name at X. That's literally the only reason we even knew the code name. It was because of the partnership with Denna. So the timing of that March had to do the timing with the partnership with Denna going public. So I don't think that that actually plays much of a role. I think it's much more important to look at reveal to release. And that's where you see, hey, October to March. That's a quick damn turn around. Four and a half week window. It's late October, the beginning of March. Like it's such a short turnaround. And that's been my perspective. Like I just, I agree. It's old Nintendo because if you look at these patterns are right. Like that if you want to look at that, that's all that's two years, right? That's just to think that. And by the way, when codenames are announced, you know, during a financial Q&A with investors, right? So we're still a couple months away from that.  Like it's even late 2025 of realistic consideration with this in mind. And at that point, so we're talking like, that just feels like really far off. So I don't agree because I, but I also, this is the pattern. And basically my belief is just this pattern is not going to hold. Yeah, it's a new Nintendo ecosystem now. So Furukawa's quotes also sort of indicate they're not going to follow the pattern. And that is that Furukawa has been saying since he took over and he's repeated this multiple times, Nintendo always gets to here and then falls off the cliff. When you look at all those reveals, one thing in common is, hey, one went up here, the next one fell off the cliff for Nintendo, by the way. Like I know people don't like 3DS so great, but it's technically the worst selling handle they've ever had. So for them, it's falling off a cliff for us in Game Boy Advance. Yes. Game Boy Advance sold 80 mil. We're crazy, too, because Game Boy Advance had one of the shorter periods on the market, still the day. I mean, they had legs when DS came out. Yeah, they had some legs. People weren't sure Nintendo said DS doesn't replace them. And there were still games coming out. Anyways, for the point is that that he's talked about this factually, like not falling off the cliff. And I think part of that is realizing, hey, we don't need to do this year of hype. Also, we don't need to let our systems die adding into release. And a year of hype for a system kind of kills the current system. So even if you have big games coming, I don't think you'll ever do that again. Yeah, I don't think I kind of think this president's like, no, we see the way modern technology is the way modern releases of systems go. It's short announcement to release. We don't need a year to build this up. We announced this things out a few months after we're done. No, no, no, I think they did four months with Switch. Look at how Nintendo releases their games. They like they hype up and they don't talk about hardly anything else after that. And then as soon as that goes out, they give it a couple of weeks and they have another big thing. Yeah. And they like to just do it one at a time. They don't want to split people's interest. There's only a few things that they let you know years ahead. Zelda's one of them. Yeah. That's consistently, we know ahead of time. Metroid apparently is one of them now. Smash as well. Those are like the ones that they let us know ahead of time. But in this era, outside of those IPs, everything else has been like, hey, we let you know and this thing's out in six months. And they had huge success doing it. Like the most like they sold more games this generation. First system ever over a billion in software sales for Nintendo. Playing stations used to that. Nintendo isn't. This is the most software they've ever sold in any generation in their history. DS. Oh, DS is the best selling console of all time. Yeah. Switch is the best selling software console of all time. I think Nintendo cares more about that because of how much money they make off software. It's insane. Like people always were all Nintendo cares about hitting one hundred and fifty. No, they don't. They care about consistent yearly sales and profit margins. You don't worry about some arbitrary numbers that you could say, oh, our system that we're no longer selling is now the best selling system of all time while we're trying to sell a new product. Like what are they going to do? Beat their chest and brag about, hey, we sold five million switches in 2026. Yeah, that's not keeping it clean. Yeah, they don't care about that. No bragging. Yeah. And you've never seen Nintendo do this, by the way. They've never been the company that goes out there and brag so much when they're on top. They are classy. That's true. Yeah, they don't they don't brand. Maybe it's because every time they're on top, they just follow it right that a lot.  I don't think they would have, you know, I think you're right. They are like that. Yeah. Sorry. They're better than everybody else. I get it again to put it when they're on. But we're not going to get a Wii situation again. Like, I mean, it's interesting if you look like starting like with the DS game, Wii era, like the only system that really flop is the Wii U, right? Let's say you got DS, Wii, 3DS, Wii U switches out of five. So they're like 80 percent is pretty solid. Right. And also that was when they were displaying themselves between two different platforms. This kind of goes back to the whole like debate between 24 and 2025. Like, people that look at like numbers and patterns from beforehand, that's looking at a Nintendo, different leadership, but also them having to share their resources for two different pillars. It's just about switch now. And it's just a very different beast that the way they're going to operate, the way they're going to handle things. They want to have a transition switch short announcement to release when you have a new president coming in, being like, hey, we can't keep doing what we've been doing. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. And if they did it, it would be even worse now, because at least back then, they had another platform to fall on if they had. Yeah, everything, all their eggs are one basket platform. I was like, they can't afford to have to. They'd have to make it work. They have to. Yeah. So if anything, you know, announcing a new system earlier, sooner than later, gives them the opportunity to have that two pillar thing for at least a little bit. Sure. Yeah. Because you could have some trickle down switch sale still. You have a price cut.  I don't know if I buy that software wise. I software. Yes. Or maybe. If you look at like the PS5 and Xbox, you're like, yes, five was impossible to get, but it's still also the PS4. Yeah. Yeah. Console wise, they're going to make 10 to 12 million switches in its first calendar year. Easy. So I think I think it's it's probably it's probably the case that switched to well-outsell switch one. And if the in a software wise year, especially if there's a lot of cross gen, like, yeah, software wise, it's software is where it's at right now. Right. That's that's where they make their money, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. No, my point is simply that's like, wait, I'm going to have to do this question. I agree that which will outsell switch to in software, but the biggest, the best selling Nintendo title of the year, just individually, I think will actually be a switch to game. Metroid Prime, I'm just kidding. It's going to be 3D Mario. Yeah. Well, I don't know, Pokemon, whatever their big gun is, whatever it is, Pokemon game is not on switch to. I mean, you mean not on switch one. Oh, or wait. You mean, yeah, because Pokemon 10 to join the next generation of Pokemon is going to be a 10. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Like it may even be a 15. I mean, it'll be compatible. So switch to players will probably get the play. Yeah. But I mean, it's going to be a technical. It's going to be made for. Right. Yeah. So I think Pokemon is probably it's probably it's probably. That's the thing Pokemon might might I'll sell like Pokemon does 15, 20. And so the thing is, even if 3D Mario goes on to sell 30 to 40 million copies on the road, like it's first year. Now, even if half of everyone who buys a switch to buy 3D Mario, which would be an insane attach rate for within the first year. Like there's just no like there's there's no way they're going to even hit 10 million that just there's no way. And I know I'm assuming that the 15 million is kind of like the cap in terms of first year sales, right? Like maybe they put out more. But I'm just basing this how they have more than usual. It could be 15, but it was sold 15 minutes. 15 million is what people forget is like, I know we see these insane launchers now from Nintendo, Nintendo games are evergreen, man. There's not like these other platforms. They don't have to blow their load in the first like launch period. Mario is just going to keep selling. So that's why Nintendo is not afraid to launch massive exclusive games in year one when it's from their IPs that just keep selling year over year over year. That's why I think they want to get a Mario card out in year one because they know that thing's selling all Jen, all Jen. It's going to be a system seller year one all generation. It's going to be a system seller every holiday, which I don't like thinking that, hey, for the next decade, it's just going to be more Mario Kart bundles, just the new Mario Kart game. But the one Nintendo does, it worked. So they're probably going to keep it going. It's basically. All right, guys, I'm looking at the chat. This is just this was water. So. Oh, well, you hold up a cup like that. I'm going to drink a cup. I just realized I had like the sketchiest drink the whole time because I had refilled this with water and then put ice tea drops in it. Yeah, it looks like dirty. Looks like you're drinking whiskey or something. I know, I know. I'm not drinking it. If I was 40 percent plus alcohol, I would not be keeping it clean and you would know immediately. No, as someone who's been around him, it's an immediate reaction. OK, all right, let's calm down about it. But OK, I'm missing. Anyways, so I don't guys have any more thoughts on this. Which like, do we think these rumors mean it's going to actually be revealed early? It just feels a little hard to believe. Yeah, I would say here's the phrase extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And right now we don't have extraordinary evidence to an early switch to launch, right? So I need a little bit more evidence to really buy it. I think it's going to be like a three or four month thing. Literally, they can announce it any time and it's just here in three months. I think it's one of those things where I'm not going to believe it until I see it or maybe a switch to leaks. You know, like, yeah, if your gamer comes out and says it's just coming out in May, then I'm like, OK, maybe there's truth to this, right? But I need a big I need at least one really big site to say something before I can really open up my heart to this. So this is semi related. We have a number of your heart to it. So it's what you reveal month for the passionate about switch to. Oh, I love it. Let's end this to get to our next topic by talking about switch to reveal month predictions. Let's just let's just throw it out there. Well, when do we think it's being revealed? It's not released reveal. March. Sorry, I'm boring. March. That's all right. That's a popular one. I might have to type a little irresponsibly. I might have a January train, baby. OK, let's go. Yeah. Hey, I would love a January reveal. Let's go. Yeah. His January is only two weeks away. Eric, what do we got crazy? We're already halfway through December. Don't remind me. It's been a long December. Don't remind me. Screw it. December 26th, December, the day after Christmas. Christmas. It's a Christmas bonus miracle. We're having a break. And when they release it, they just have like why am I blanking on the Mario guy's name? Ansel, the Miyamoto.  And then you just open it. Awesome. Oh, you got this one right after you got it. Yummy. Look, I almost feel like I'm not hyping irresponsibly anymore. I'm going January and Eric is one. Well, we are hyping irresponsibly, but Eric is just off the deep end. Like he is he is wild and right now. It was crazy.  You're it might not even reveal to June comes out September.  Oh, I said my I said no, Eric. Eric is crazy.   His little point is earlier, the better for him. Give it to me now. If I could say it's going to be revealed tomorrow, I'd probably say it, but it would have been announced that it's being revealed tomorrow. So yeah, I'll give him a week to announce the 26, maybe. Yeah, give it. We're still being irresponsible. No one's going to mistake us for responsible folks. OK, well, no one's going to make that mistake. He was trying to make up for destroying me at the game awards. That's all he's joined in the train. I just want to say that excuse me, the Nintendo staff are going to be out for the holidays for a week, so don't expect any major official Nintendo news after this week until like some time mid January, January. Yeah, there are many's and other stuff. So January, the semantics, but you know, it's a day in February. So when it makes sense to know what not Pokemon usually doing to Jen late, though. So are you late? Well, they're not usually if it's a switch. They don't even have multiple teams work on stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Dude, the next amount of a new license game switch to exclusive. It's going to be like another BDSP. I just feel it. It's going to be another one of those kind of. No, I think they learned, dude. They've actually been they learn that they can hire a team and pay them next to nothing to make billions. That's what they learned by making BDSP. There's like the cheapest thing they've ever done. And they may build. But they listen to people's feedback of Sword and Shield and made Arceus. Like they've been really good. And even before that, they listen to people who are tired of Jim, so they changed it up with Sun and Moon. They really do listen. I'm not saying that they might not nail it. Not the legend. I do. You enjoyed Arceus, right? Like I'm off the legend type chamber next year. I started thinking about it. I don't think it's had enough to have time. I don't think it's coming. All right. Oh, by the way, shout out. On a new year, it's not enough. Um, have we seen Pokemon games now? Three years is not enough to have time. Thank you very much. I think we've got. Yeah, but have we seen that they don't care? Yeah, exactly. Legend's Arceus. I don't care. I'm sure I'll have to care. I'm just throwing that out there. No, it looks like it had a lot of time. I mean, the obvious theory of an engine going, right? Like three three years is not that. But the new new hardware. It's just 2025 is what it is. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying they're going another BDSP next year. That's I'm just throwing that out there. Now, I will say this, the new Legend's game could double up. It could do what they did with BDSP drop four months later in the early 2025. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Could be a thing. Anyways, moving on to our next topic. This one's also this is just fun. I love talking Zelda. I don't know if that's like a secret at this point. And we have like two different things to talk about when it comes to the future of Zelda. One of them is about a particular remake slash remaster, hopefully remake. Actually, in this case, they specifically said remake. Super hype to talk about. The other thing is so pretty with this one. It's just crazy. Yeah, I almost feel bad. The the other one is just the next Zelda game, the next big one. We'll touch first on the next big one, which is the one that I think there's not quite as much to talk about unless you really want to dive deep into the Zelda. I actually have something to chime in on that. Sure. So let me just give you what I'll do. He was said he had two big interviews. Perfect. OK. And he said, Ultra Hands not going to return, basically. That's the general takeaways. Ultra Hands not going to return. That's specifically for the next. Doing the Ultra Hand jobs. I'll miss that. You might as well change that little tagline on you right now. That's a real thing. You have jobs to complete in a game where you use Ultra Hand. They're Ultra Hand jobs. Yeah. Yeah. The smirk you have after you say it gives it away. It does here. It's all just my face, man. Yeah, we've already established you're just sexy, apparently. That's what everyone is saying. We have to see if we can't prove it. Anyways, they've also apparently entertained. And then we've heard this before. This isn't like a new thing, but they were asked about Zelda and expanding her role and maybe being playable. And basically I was like, yeah, we this is something we've talked about in the past. We've entertained it. And basically, if an opportunity arises that they feel like they can make a playable Zelda work that they will implement it. Just basically say the door is still open. I'm possibly Zelda being playable in a future game. That's sort of like the big thing that a lot of people talked about because it has been talked about by the fan base a lot, like whether it's not necessarily her being the star of the game, but like maybe side quests you could do with her dungeon roles. There was actually debated heading into Tears of the Kingdom. Some people thought, hey, if she goes to the past, maybe we could play as her in the past with Lincoln in the present. That obviously didn't happen. But playable cutscenes might have been a neat idea. Yeah, or like us being able to even like even if it was just quick time. Good. Remember that the opening sequence for Tears of the Kingdom that was basically like a playable cutscene. Like what if they had done some like that for Princess Zelda for some of the flashbacks? I think that would have been maybe the best case scenario. See, I for those playable Zelda thing, I throw it out there like. I think helping in dungeons would be interesting. And I'm going to give it an example from a prior game where this would have been a really cool take. And this is a game we're about to talk about in Ocarina of Time. Zelda is, sorry, spoiler, chic in Ocarina of Time and just shows up in the dungeons, just shows up in the dungeon that talks to Lincoln, gives him advice, right? What if you're playing as Link up to a certain point in the dungeon and then the perspective changes to where you were chic and now you're showing how chic had to break into the dungeon to get to that point. To talk to Link, because you literally didn't go through the same entrance. So now you're getting an alternative perspective of the dungeon with alternative gameplay that converges back with Link before you switch back to Link after she gives the advice or whatever. And now that's not a bad idea. I don't like it, but it's not a bad idea. Again, this is going back to a game that already exists. I'm just pointing out like an idea like that I can see being implemented in a future game where Zelda is playable in a role like that. It doesn't have to be an advice role, but, you know, where it was a segment of the dungeon that was heavily involved with the gameplay and spirit tracks. Well, yeah, yeah, as the Phantom. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's not like we haven't been able to use her in the past. I'm just saying that we haven't like you're not directly playing as her. You might, you know, Mike, you know, this is maybe a better example. The Wind Waker had companions for some of the dungeons. Yeah. And actually, actually, tears of the kingdom has companions for the dungeons. The stages, but you don't play as them. Like, that's the difference. No, you don't play as them. No, no, no, you don't play as them. Right. You don't. I understand what you're saying. Majority of the map has a good example. There's literally a side quest you play other characters. The Andrew and Kathy side quest. You literally play as other characters. It's the first time in Zelda history it's ever happened. Where you literally played as a different character that wasn't linked. Were you just disguised as them or are you actually? I don't know. You were them. OK. No, that was. Yeah, the maps were disguised where you were a character for those cultures, but you weren't really them. Wait, can I say my thing real quick? Yeah, yeah. No, it's not too long. It's just it's about that. Someone had tweeted the quote that you said. Yeah. And there was just a really good reply like on Twitter that like made so much sense being stuck with someone was like. Someone was like, I can't understand why people want to go back to linear. What I would want is. Oh, yeah, yeah, dungeons, but in o