Welcome to Toffy TV, today I am joined by Howard's Way, direct by Rob Sloman, but we will be speaking about the film because it's a massively important thing in my life and even more so when Rob's, but I want to talk to Rob about how he became an Evertonian and his kind of Everton story, so Rob, welcome, how are you? Yeah, I'm alright Barry, I'm alright, it's not too tricky yet, I've got two boys, eight and six and they're quite enjoying running around the garden more often than they normally would, so it's not a big garden, it's not a big garden, I was born and brought up on a farm and what we could do, if it was a lockdown when you were on a farm it would be a breeze, but we're alright, it's not too bad. Homeschooling, great none you get or? My wife has done a little bit more than me, I do the maths, I wasn't bad at maths at school, so I do the maths, but it's just a challenge to get them to focus because they're very aware that they're not at school and R2 would much rather be outside kicking a ball around, actually they'd just rather be not doing their schooling and that's the problem. If you give them ten minutes down time they don't go and read a book R2, that's not what they do, we would like them to but that isn't their first choice. No, listen I think you and millions of other people around the country have all got renewed admiration for teachers, I certainly have with Drach, Minutes he's on a break, he's in the garden with the ball, you haven't finished your maths yet, he's great at maths, it's the English getting him to write, oh he can do it but getting him to write is... ..a bit of a pain, but anyway, you've just mentioned that you were brought up on a farm, so how does a lad brought up on a farm become a huge evertonian because the farm wasn't in Liverpool was it? No, no it was in a place called Butte in Cornwall and I don't know is the answer, not really, my dad was a Man United fan or he was a George Best fan, George Best Bobby Charlton. So I don't really, I don't think there was a moment particularly that made me an evertonian, I mean the mid 70s there weren't really many moments that would make you an evertonian were there. So I think I like the colour blue, so by that theory there's a bit in my head that sometimes I think could it have been Oldham or could it have been even Chelsea, God forbid. But yeah, no Everton, I think I liked maybe like the look of the name, I don't know if that makes sense, it just looked nice. And then Lachford, Lachford was, I think a lot of kids grew up looking at the number nine, the centre forward when it was always a nine and Lachford was six foot tall, good looking boy apart from the year we had the perm. But yeah, so Lachford and Everton, somehow the colour Bob, not sure but got there in the mid 70s, 75, 6 and you don't change, do you? My boys, let me tell you my boys are Everton and quite often they say would it be a problem if I changed it and I'm like yeah it would be a problem. So you don't change and I try and to tell them that you don't change. So even though I go to football on a Saturday morning, obviously not now but with the boys and with the boys and you see a lot of kids running around in Real Madrid, Barcelona and that's what's happened with the Champions League being much more visible than the European Cup was for us. But I don't even know that I want my boys to have a second kit just in case. So if they suddenly want the Barcelona kit or the Real Madrid kit or the Juventus kit, I don't want them to then think well maybe I'll go that way. So at the moment we're looking at Everton and reducing the prices and my wife's like can we get them kits from two years ago and on that one you could do. I mean you know cos they're so cheap they're like a five or a shirt or something like that. But as long as it's not a shirt from you know somebody from a European giant and certainly not another shirt from England then yeah I'm not sure whether I care what Everton shirt they were as long as they were in an Everton shirt. Y beth yma yn y mi, I've got tracks got all sorts, hand-fed kits and everything, he's got the lock but he knows the score mate, he's not got another Premier League team. It's different for you, you're right in the heart of Liverpool you know Everton is all around you although the last few times I've been up on, I've got friends that say 20, 30 years ago they would walk in the city and it did feel very blue, red, equally divided and now when I go up there and certainly they feel the same. Everton does feel as if it's sort of doing that and Liverpool you know with the fact that they are so good at the moment and just the way that maybe the club has been marketed but Liverpool seem to be sort of everywhere in the city and then you're like oh there's a blue scarf or there's a trader selling a bit of Everton. So for me I'm worried that if they grab hold of something different now they'll never go back where at the moment I'm sort of the only thing that just keeps saying Everton. Don't worry boys it won't be every week that we get beaten 4-0 by Chelsea or whatever. You know they've had a lot of, there's been a lot of weekends where they said why do we support Everton again and I'm like just don't worry about it, stick with it, it'll be fine. And obviously doing the film actually was a big help because I've been sort of surrounded by Everton stuff for a couple of years now and they're very young so it's sort of all they know and if I say I'm going on toffee TV or whatever they know a bit more about it and they understand it. So I'm just trying to make sure that they're surrounded by it so that it feels the norm and they get to an age where you just wouldn't change. Just keep it going until maybe we put, as you were saying last week, three or four games together where we don't get beaten and long for the 28 games. 28 games, yeah. It is such a difficult one and not to understand what you're saying, you don't want them distracted by other kits and what have you bought. The change, interesting what you're saying about Liverpool because definitely there's that change with going, I take Zacta 40 and certainly the change from when Liverpool won the European Cup, the Champions League to the following year with Liverpool kits on the year before. There was still a few more reds here to have to say that just in this particular class. Loads of blue. But then the next year there was one lad to that Barcelona kits and UV kits and City kits and all of a sudden that Liverpool kits on and there was about eight Everton fans and about 20 reds from nowhere. But you've got to get that, you're absolutely right Liverpool have been marketer better, they've been more successful and if you're growing up as a kid you want to follow the team not to win and don't you really. You sometimes as a parent you look and go, I look at Zack and go, am I subjecting you to… Is it fair that I'm doing this to him? To be fair Barry, our two will be living in the garage before they'll be wearing another Premier League shirt. That's fair enough mate, no issue with that, no issue at all. But when I grew up there was, I was the only Evertonian, Liverpool were successful even then, Forest were starting to become a force that was talking, so I'm thinking sort of 76 through to early 80s and Liverpool there was some Man United shirts or fans, Forest but no, I was the only Evertonian and I don't think I even met another Everton fan. Still I moved away and I certainly didn't meet one through school, so yeah Cornwalls, I'm sure there is an Everton supporters club in Cornwall but I never found another blue. That's sad isn't it? It's sad but then again it makes your story. But what I did notice was that as soon as we became successful then you know people were very accepting of me being an Everton fan and I told, I said to a few people that I remember, I used to wear, I used to have those sort of flat caps, you know there were lots of them around around about the time of the milk cup final in 1984 I remember. And I had one of those and obviously had a scarf and I also got a really nice jacket with the badge that you've got there behind the mid 80s badge. I had a like a puffer coat jacket and I used to wear that all the time.  And I remember walking getting on because we lived in the middle of nowhere on this farm and school was like a 15 minute bus ride. And I remember getting on the bus in the morning and walking down the coach and somebody just stuck their leg out to kick me sort of thing. And when I looked to him he said you only wear all that because they win everything. And I thought wow you know I've waited a long time to hear that you know and and obviously it wasn't true but I didn't care because that was that was really nice to hear that. What a line that is. What a line you only wear that it's incredible. I mean how many times has that been said to an Evertonian you know. Probably never Rob. Probably absolutely never. But you know that chain I mean what was that like chain and from having a team supporting a team that done nothing down there and being very much on your own and having to you know battle off I suppose Liverpool would have been a team. Because Liverpool were the best side you know united and those kind of things.  Yeah I remember that I used to say Mike the way that I would watch football in the in when I first started you know supporting Everton et cetera mid to mid to late 70 I used to have to go to bed early on a Saturday for a couple of hours say sort of five o'clock till seven or eight o'clock and then get up again to maybe at the end of Starsky and Hutch and and watch matter the day and Everton was you know the 77 Cup semi final and then the 80 that I think 80 was the one that really broke my heart when we played West Ham in the semi final I was listening to it on the radio and obviously you know you're building up images of what's going on there and I remember Latchford's goal just the noise on the radio and to get to an FA Cup final all the way through the 80s but at that time obviously the whole day was dedicated to your team it meant to it meant so much and obviously the ones that were going to the game it was it was a very different experience because I was just relying on TV and radio for my Everton and so I just got used to the disappointment I remember crying my eyes out after that West Ham replay in the header that bounced up you know bonkers angle from Lampard's dad and that was that was really what I associated with Everton was sort of disappointment and I think I was I remember the following season because the following season we got to the quarter final didn't we we beat Liverpool and we beat Arsenal and and I at school I was always into sport and I put together like a magazine and and the only reason I put is a sports magazine just wrote out all this stuff and then typed it up and sold it at school and I got into trouble for selling it because the teachers wanted to know what I was doing with the money and I was just like well keeping it and well you know no maybe you could give it to one of the school charities or something like that really but I remember I remember doing that because I was fueled by Everton's Cup run that it made me think oh I'm going to write a magazine and and and in it was about three pages of other sports and then five pages on Everton's Cup run and then we got Man City and and I remember I did a quiz and it was all sort of questions and basically about Everton I think and I offered a packet of hub above a gun to the winner do you remember that stuff and and then Everton lost the replay and I never mentioned the magazine again I just thought it just took it out every took the wind completely out of the sales and that's that's really what I thought I just thought well this is going to be how it is and then it really was when you talk about it you know 83 disappointment disappointment disappointment in terms of league position and you know I'm not up there feeling if I saw the Coventry game or match of the day in the booze and everything else and literally I think that's a really good idea. sauces on the day and the booze and everything else. And I think literally the next time we were on match of the day, we were in an FA quarter final we are in the final of the milk cut. And we are going on a run we lost only three games, we lost only three games, something like that. Because your club was not regularly on match of the day. Literally it was about another seven or eight weeks and we had gone from being Mae'n ddweud, mae'n ddechrau'n gael'r ffordd, o'n ni'n gweithio'n 5, 5, 5 o'n 2. Yn y teimlo, dyna'n hynny, ond ydw i'r rhanau ar y radio. Mae'n holl i'r newid ar y ddweud, ond rhanau ar y radio ar y sefydliadau. Mae'r sysyn o'r wneud ymlaen i'r rhanau i'r ffordd. Mae'r team yn byw'r hanes, a mae'n rhaniaid dim. Ond rwy'n meddyg yw'r gweithio ar y rôl. Yn hyn yw'r gweithio, dyna'r gwaith yn Cormor, Plynydd wedi'i gweithio. Plynydd wedi'u gweithio yn y celf ar gyfer Watford. Mae'n gweithio ar gyfer Watford. Mae'n ei ddweud i'r gweithio i'r Gweithredin Plynydd ar y FFA Cup final. Rwy'n ddau'r gweithio a'r cyflawn. mae'n gweithio ar y celf ar y celf. Dyna, mae'n ddweud i'r gwaith ar gweithio. a'n ddweud i'r rhaid i'r rhaid. Felly, mae'n gweithio'r rhaid i'r rhaid. George Riley, os nai? Felly, rhaid i'r rhaid i'r rhaid. George Riley, rhaid i'r rhaid i'r rhaid. Plymouth yn ymwysgol a'r fflau'r cyffredin. A phyllwch ar hyn. A'r rhaid i'r rhaid i'r rhaid, Heath rhaid i'r gael. A'n ddweud i'r rhaid i'r rhaid i'r rhaid i'r gael. Felly, mae'n ogymno'n holl agorgylla'i fragfa. Felly, mae'r oed i'r holl eftrafnol, eu hunain, a'r holl eftraffnol. Mae'n rhaid i'r cerdd eich cyhochol ac mae'r holl eftraffnol ac mae'r holl eftraffnol. Mae'n rhoi eu bod yn diddynnol i'r word ac amdod oes. Felly, unrhyw, rhaid i'r holl eftraffnol today. Rhaid i'r holl eftraffnol. Mae'r holl eftraffnol – We're not gonna lose now. We're one and up and we're two minutes away from full-time... ...of extra time. That was it. I remember running around my mum going... ..."If you won, if you won we're not gonna lose." Because the negativity that had sort of become being an Evitonian was right. Hang on a minute, we're going to have that day where BBC and ITV in an era..." Er yna'r unrhyw ddweud o'r trefyn oedd yn 84. Byddwn i'n unrhyw ddweud o'r trefyn o'r four yn credu, y gallai ychydig, yn unrhyw ddweud. Mae'n unrhyw ddweud o ddweud o'r trefyn oedd hynny. Mae'n ddisgrunio'r ddod yn olygu'n ddweud o'r team ar y hollod. Mae'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r specials a meddwl i'r hotelu fel ymddangos a'r hollod gyda'r Freyli star, i'r Michael Barrymore, dystod yn dŵr i'n gweithio. Dwy'n gweithio'n gyflu'r clif, ond yn ddod yn rhaid hefyd y byddai'r gweithio. Frydie er bod yn maen nhw'n dda. Yn dweud yma, yna chi'n meddwl gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Felly mae'r ddweud yn ffocws ar y Cymru. Mae'r ddylch yn ei dŵr, mae'r fan yn ei ddefnyddio y TV. Felly mae'r ddweud yn ddylch yn gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n ddau'n llyn. Felly mae. Mae'r Cwmp thwrt Ynchynllwys yn gweithio gyda'r ffordd yma, gan yng Nghymru yn ddau, yn gweithio'r Cyngor ac ydyn nhw, yn y ddweud, dyna rydyn ni'n byw'r cyfrifio. Dwi'n gweithio'n gweithio'r Cyngor yn gweithio'r cyfrifio a'r newid yn gweithio'n fawr. Nodd yn gweithio. Mae'r Cwmp thwrt FF yma. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Byddwn i'r unrhyw ddiwedd yn oed yn ystod, ac mae'n goyn i'r cwmloedd o'r canol yn ymloedd. Felly mae'n gynnal i'r rhan i'r fath. Mae'r ddechrau, felly y ddechrau'r semi-fail y byddwn i'r dda, mae'n rhaid i'r cymryd yma i'r cyd-fail yn ymloedd yn Abertoniwn, a'r cyd-fail wedi'u swydd, a'r cyd-fail i'r cyd-fail yn Ylverpool, a'r cyd-fail yn ymloedd yn ymloedd yn ymloedd, gyda'r unig. Fi'n ddweud i Llywodraeth yn ymdweud yn Llywodraeth. Rwy'n ddweud i Wartffordd ac rwy'n ddweud i'n fwy mwyn ar y tim. mae'n dda sicrhau'n ddweud chi'n ddweud i'n ddweud. Rwy'n ddweud i ddweud i'n ddweud i'r ddweud i'n ddweud i chi. Yna, mae'r ddweud i'ch yn fwy o'ch gweithio. Rwy'n ddweud i'ch ddweud i'ch arfer y twyd. Mae'r ddweud i'ch gweithio i'ch arfer y twyd. mae'r teulu i gyd yw. Mae'n gwrth ei bod arwain yn gwneud o'i gwbl a gyd o fewn i'r trwb. Rwy'n gwrth fynd, rwy'n gobeithio bod rhaid gofyn teulu popeth arall ac mae'n gwrth yn gweithio'r hoffi ar gyfer ffiannig. Dwi'n cael cheffaidd i gyd ac mae'n cael ei wneud, mae wnaeth gymryd y bach yn o arfer cynnig, mae hyn sy'n gwrth yn olygu i chi'n gweithio, mae'n roi'n golwg ar ôl y gydig. And you wait all-evening until you match up your days on it and just go through an hour of it again. You're the happiest I ever was. My other sporting heroes and loves were right at their peak at that time. Sevie won the Open in 84, Vyve Richards absolutely loved, was bashing England all over the place in 84, fantastic. Everton's sort of at the front of everything. It was brilliant, brilliant time. Des i'n meddwl. Rydyn ni'n gwneud o'n falch arlas hi ati ein bwrdd. Byddai'n meddwl o'r ffordd i oed. Diolch i'n meddwl o'r ffordd i fewn i ddechrau'r siffflanaeth. Fe oed i'r fi'n meddwl o gyfrifiad 28 gwasio yn ei hwn. Mae'n i bwys i'r ymhan i ti-elchidi i gynnwys, i gymig e unsuccessful yma.робo'u gweithio 28 gwasi arall. Pwysau ddi oed yn gwneudio chlyfodol y nifer. ydych chi'n gweld i'r ysgol yn ddwylo gyda'r ffans. Felly, dyna'r ddechrau eich bod wedi gweld i'r ddweud. Fe wnaethau yma, mae'n gofyn am ymddangos cael eu gwneud o gyflawn i'w ddweud. Felly, rwy'n meddwl i'r Llywodraeth, chi'n gwybod i chi'n gwybod i'r dweud. Felly, rwy'n meddwl i chi gael yma, dwi'n meddwl i chi'n gwybod i'r Llywodraeth, 1-0. Yn gweithio'r ddweud, Mae hwn o'r gweithio ac yw'r Dyn nhw'n ni gwybod, Raddion ac rwy'n gweithio i'r ymddangos yn Llyfr Labs. Oni'n gos i'r dirpeth oherwydd, rydyn yn yw'n no i ddim yn mynd i'ch ne litres. E'n rydyn nhw'n ymwneud i'ch hefyd, rydyn yn ymdangos i ymdangos. Rydyn yn cofio awrach ddau. Rydyn yn olaf wedi hanes arlo. On yr unrhyw i'r ymdangos oherwydd a gydag oedd wedi anghyd o'r ffordd. Rydyn ni'n credu o'r radio, efallai allan i'r radio, a rydyn ni'n radio o Merseysaid o Radio City. Rydyn ni wedi radio ddweud. Rhaid i ddweud o rhan o'r gwahanol. Rydyn ni wedi radio ddweud a Peter Jones a Brian Butler. Rydyn ni'n rhaid i ddweud ar hyn. Rydyn ni'n rhaid i'r cwm, ac mae'r rhaid i'r gwahanol yn gwneud ac mae hynny'n gobeithio i ddwynt. Rydyn ni'n gobeithio i ddwynt, a rydyn ni'n gobeithio i ddwynt ar y gynodau. That was rearranged, wasn't it? By that stage that's the game. I think we were three-clear in hand. So if we win that we go six-clear in hand. And you do't look like loosing to anybody. So that game was massive and I remember them coming on the radio, as they always did I think games kicked off at 7-30 in those days. C pasechwyr yn ddyfodol y pannu. Ond nid yw hynny'n meddwlwch, ac nid yw'n meddwl ydyn nhw, ac nid yw hwnna. Yn ymdwy'n meddwl hynny, hwnnw'n meddwl ydyn nhw. Mae'n dda i ymgweithio y modd ymar yn meddwl y pannu sy'n gweithio ystod. Roedd hynny i'r hun, i'r lleoedd Cyffredinol a'r gwneud hynny. Mae yw'n ei dod o'i bob ymgylch yn wedi'i ddweud, a'i cyffredinol siadf—diofiwn gwlad. a'r gwneud i'n ddweud, a dyna'n ddweud, o'n rhaid i'r cyfle, felly y radio wedi'i ffwrdd y ffordd ar y ddweud, ac mae'n gwrthod o'r ddweud, ac mae'n ddweud. A'n mynd i ddweud, mae'n ddweud, rhai yw wedi'u wedi'u wedi'u wedi'i ddweud, o'r ffordd o'r ddweud, y Gwein Sondlion Gwyrddol, oedd mae'n gweithio'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, Ac yna, rydyn ni'n gwneud yn ymweld, yn y cyfnodro, o'r cyfnodd C-Fact o'r telifrynter sydd wedi'i gynhyrchu'r glandstannu, y llyfr yn y gynhyrchu. Ac mae'n gofio ar y gyfnodd gynhyrchu i'r gynhyrchu, ac rwy'n meddwl i'n mynd i'w gael John Motson, oherwydd rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r gynhyrchu John Motson i'r gynhyrchu'r gynhyrchu. Ac roedd yn cyfnodd i'r gynhyrchu i'r gynhyrchu i'r gynhyrchu i'r gynhyrchu. yn y gwybod, ac Andy Gred wedi'u weithio'r gweithio'r dweud i chi'n dweud, nhw'n dweud, oeddwn ni'n dweud o'r gweithio'r gweithio. Dwi'n credu i'r gweithio. Felly, mae'n dweud i gweithio, mae'n dweud i'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio. Dwi'n dweud, ond mae'n dweud i ddim yn 50. Pwynt i gyd yn ychydig ar ei fodfynol, plant yw ddyn nhw. Ond, rwy'n gweithio'n gwneud, rydyn ni'n dweud i chi'n gweithio'r gweithio. Ynw i'n tro, ac yn 35 oed rai, fyddai fod yn rhywbeth yn ysgol. Dwi'n rym ni'n rhywbeth â'i ddod! Roedd oedd fynd yn unig i gofynol, a nhw'n rydw i'n gofynig ydym ni'n gwagol o fyddgus ydyn nhw i rydyn ni o gael. Rydw i ddweud yw ddim yn iawn i chi yw'nweud i chi yn ddweud. Roeddaf yn rhaid i ei fath, a rydyn ni'n rhaid i chi'n bobl yn y mae Maen nhw'n loed i mwynt yn yw ddweud. Mae ydyw'n gwybod bwysig i'r wneud o'i siarad, Ond yn ddechrau oedda, rwyf yn y digwydd yn ei ffach dim, ddyn ni'n dweud yn amrwyaf i'r ddweud oedd sy'n cyffredinol. Mynd i'w ddorol ar ysgol, gyda'r gwahanol i'r ddweud o'r llwyg, Felly dwi wneud gw'n wedi bod yn ei wneud yn brin sy'n cymdeithasol yng Nghymru, ac ynnynny'n ymddangos, nid gynolloddau dda, ond wedi cael ei wneud yn cender Creation enw, If I didn't have…. Maybe if I didn't have Everton. Mind you, the period I was doing exams Everton would sort of top of the league so maybe that helped me I don't know but no it was incredible and actually the following year When we got to the Cut Final the having just lost the league. At times Everton were even better. That said, they played with Lynaucka etc. dwi gyd dim cael nhw'n ddweud, fel mor ffordd ar gaelr. Felly rwy'n dweud hynny sy'n gweithio gyda'r ffordd, bo'r bobl deolhau yn 86, a ond wedi'i ddechrau'r modd, yn rhan fydd i'r peth yng Nghystal Cymru, ei ddim yn gweithio efo ein bod yn yr awr, na'r rhaid o'r awr o'r awr o'r awr o'r ffordd. Efallai yma ond mae'n psig, byddwyr fe dddydd i'r bobl deolhau, yw gwiriynau am y gallu meddwl i'r 1-11 i wirio am gweithio ar y gwaith i'r newydd. Mae'r gweithio ar y gweithio am y ffordd i'r 1-11 i gael i gael i'w gweithio am ffraith yw mewn rhai. Mae'r gweithio ar y gweithio am gweithio ar y gweithio, ac yna'r gyffredin i'w wneud yn eu gwerson ar y gweithio a'r gweithio ar y gweithio a'r hoffa ar yr adnod o'r ffordd yn y gweithio, Mae'r wneud a wych yn hynny oedd chi'n gweld eich gwaith cwp fwy o fyny. Mae'r wneud yn hyn oes gyda'i gilydd o'i gyllid yw, a wnaeth rydw i'ch ein meddwl i'i fynd i kol i'redd ffён yn gweld. Mae'r gweithio beth yw'r gwaith i'r eu lluneg, a'r dwylo i'n ddiddordebydd i Aberton. Mae'r rydw i, wedi chyfnodol yn y maeth yw'r fan Liverpool ac mae'r gwaith yw i gêm i gynyddiad, Diolch yn fawr, ac roeddwn ni'n gweddiliau'r llai i ddechrau'r llanig. Felly gennwinell y ffór gweithio, ac yn ymwinell ei wneud fod yn cael ei gael. Mae'r fawr yn cael ei gael. Rwy'n gweithio'n oed ar gael o Gareth. A'r fawr yn gweithio'n gweithio, ac rwy'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'r bwrdd wedi cael ei wneud ar gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'n gwybod hwnna'n gweithio arnyn ochr. Rennodd yn y pwygylch i ddweud amdano'r gweithio... Rydyn ni'n gweithio i ddweud – pob, pob. Rydyn ni'n gweithio allAN alors dyna'r gweithio'r gweithio. Rydyn ni'n gweithio'n gweithio i ddweud am gyda'r gweithio'r gweithio... Fel rydyn ni – a dwi't gwych allan inspire o berthynau. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio, a rydyn ni'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio... a there's half a dozen of my friends what the the Liverpool fan, and all the others are crammed into this car, and they've got Liverpool scarfs and everything to come to talk me. And I thought it's not like I used to go round saying too much about Everton, you don't as an Everton because you always feel that tomorrow it will end. But I did wear my stuff and was proud of it and yeah from that day onwards I've had no time I did not have time for them and I have always thought that our day will come. It has not yet! Nghymru, it will! It is only 34 years on. It has not come again yet, but I am sure that at some point it must do. The law of averages, that is poorly. You are talking there about that midfield, that was the last time that midfield played together. That cup final. Brice was out for two and a half years. Beclubb allan nhw, mae'r Cyngor tydd eistedd yn ynpargarwyd. Mae'n gwirio gynnig i'n gwirio, mae'n gwirio i'n gwirio. O chael, yn urbyn. Yna,和dydd eich tot. Felly wnawn i'w gwirio, dwi'n gallu playing ond本wyr wedi wneud am gandau. Mae'n ychydig ar rydyn ni, mae'n gandau erbyn chi'n gwirio ar hyn. Mae'n gandau! Mae'n gandau'r cyflu gyda i ynghylchu i Ymwnebu'r Unig. A dwi'n gandau'r cyflu gynnig i'n gwirio. Cyngорwch rhywun yn ddweud ësgolod rhagwyr er mwynio'r ddeimlo yn cyfrifio. Rwy'n thi dweud cyfrifio a fyddwn yn bwysig ar gael eich gyd. Mae dweud fyddwn yn gwneud ei gweld eich gynedd. Mae rhoedd ei fyddwn yn ddweud i yn ddweud ar gyfer y rhan fudion a'r hanfod yng nghymru gwahodd. Ond rwy'n i wneud i wneud i'r ffordd ac i gael ei gweithio gan y ddweud hefyd. 11 o'n gweithio, ydy'r 84-5, o'r cyflug o'r gweithio, gan hynny y gallu gwneud feddychu. Mae'r hyn yn ei wneud yn gweithio. Felly mae'r hynny'n ddyn nhw'n ddweud sy'n ddweud. Dwi'n dechrau'n hynny'n gweld i chi'n gweld i chi, ac mae'n dechrau'n gweld i chi. Mae'n dechrau'n gweld i chi. Felly ydych chi'n ddweud yng nghymru am y ffordd 84 o'r cyflug, a'r hynny'n gweithio. Byddai. Mae'n rhaid i'n ddweud yno gyda'r ffordd yma. Mae'n ddweud yma o ddweud yma gan rhaid i ddweud yma. Mae'n gweinio. Mae'n gweinio gyd、 maen nhw yn iawn. Mae'n gweinio a ddweud yma. Mae'n gweinio a'r braes hwnnw. Mae'n cymysgolion oherwydd mae'n gweinio. Dwi'n cael eu gwirio i'r gweinio ddweud yma, dwi'n cael eu gwirio i'w gwirio i'r gweinio. Mae'n ddweud eich gweinio. ac ydym yn cyrraeddion. Byddai rhywbeth byddai felio. Yn ôl ydych chi'n gwneud yw'r unig. Dwi'n bellwch 저는 yr ystod oherwydd yn y Ymchwil, ac rydyn ni'n gweithio â'r 8045, os ydych chi'n gwneud o'r blend o hystio'r hyn oherwydd mae'r brif, a'r môl oedol o'r chlfaidol o'i trefyr yn chef-shidi. Be wnaith os ydych chi'n mynd i'n gweithio'r 8045, ymweld o'r arlethau sydd gyda'r designer o bobl yng Ngheil Code 8034. Mae'r aphyrydd yno yn gwneud yn llwyddiadol iawn. Mae gennym rhai iddo'r cyllido. Mae'n rhaid bod fy mwyaf i morning yn heb ymryd yn 84.5. Mae'n anghybwyr hynny, mae angen i ni o blwyddyn ar comprehensiveu hynny, golwch yr arwein iawn, mae'r newid i'r newid ymbryd, dwi'n gael goll o'n amddangos i'r ddigon yng Ngheil Cymru, i gael e charlyg mai gwelodd o gweld, ac wedi gweithio'n cael mewn ysgadol, ac mae'r gweithio'n gweld i ddim yn y fan oed, mae'n ei gael i ni, mae gennym ni yn rhan i chi, maith yn cael ei gael i gael i'r ysgadol yn ei ffôn i chi. A yn y drws-draeth yn gyfwld, rwy'n cael ei gael i Gwyrdd Haeladau? Ond gennym er mwyn ddylai'n 11 o gael mae'n 12 yma, ond rwy'n gweithio'n gweld. Rea wedyn yn ei gael i Gwyrdd bridd, ac mae'n debyg y bydd wedi bod yn rhan i lawr ac yn hawdd bobbymmus yn y stat... Felly mae'n gobeithio ag yr wylio, ac mae'n gobeithio ag yr ystyried, ac mae'n gobeithio ddefnyddio'r ystyried i fod y maeddaeth, a gennym yn gweithio y mudiau a'r boi wneud yn Yr Erydw amd Якwm ac mae'n olygu i nef thoseu oedd, oed yn rhan o'r rhaid, teimlo, oherwydd y cysylltu sy'n teimlo gwyneud hynny. Brace is fit, you know, everyone, towards the end of 84-5, apart from the cup final game two days after coming back, you look at 84-5, they were on a different level, you know, and I know the team, I think Andy would have stayed if Heisel doesn't happen, you add that, if you have that four to choose from in an era where they didn't really rotate that much, but Heath, Sharp, Gray, Linnaker, you've got a bit of everything there. You've got the team, that squad was brilliant. I've said it before that for me 80, we were better 86 than we were 87. That to me is a fact and one year we didn't win it. Onw wedi gwneud, mae'n gweithio'r ysgol, mae gennym eich hwn o'r gweithio'r gweithio yn 86-07 oed, yna, yw y ffrif, mae'n gweithio i'r ffilm a'i gweithio'r hynny, mae'n gweithio'r hynny. Ond yma'r ffans yma, byddwn ni'n gweithio'r pwysig yma a'r pwysig sydd yn gweithio. Ond mae'n gweithio'r bethau a'r ddechrau'r ffans, fel y dyfaniaeth yn ddod yn ddod ond, yw'r gweithio, Van Dynai wedi'i gweithio ym yw'r rhaglen? Roedden nhw'n gweld yn gweithio'r gwahodd ar y gweithio'r ddweud. Mae'n fwyaf i'r gweithio'r ysgol. Felly, mae'n digwydd. Rydych chi'n gweithio y 86, mae'r gyflwydoedd yn dechrau lleol, a'u gweithio'r drwy arweinydd. Mae'n ddifrif prosesion fyddi'r. Mae'n ddifrif. Mae'n ddrif. Mae'n ddrif. Mae'n ddrif. Aethwch yn gwneud y Cyllidag. didniaid y fathen, ond dyna maen nhw'n meddwlon nhw'n dibnogau. Mae gyrtwmp wedi chi'n gwybod am gyd yn gweithio, i'n mynd i chi'n gweithio, mae'n adwyft ymwyaf, a hwnna'n erioed yn digwydd, mae'n digwydd am i weld mai rhai o fathen o'r cymdeithasau fath arall, yn gyflau ffagol. Dyna hefyd yn ei meddwl, mae'n fadeswch yn meddwl o'i fath yn eu meddwl o beth. Rydych i gyd yn ei choffod ar y ddiw. I went to college, I went to do my journalism, it was only a one year course, and that year that I was there! Liverpool won for their first 28 games and their 29th was against us. I went to college and we were the league champions and I go there ready to puff out the chest and all this stuff. a Llymier yw ein Hwyl pynio gyda Llym, o hollfa i ddweud yn y reif gennym. Ond, mae'r Rhys Gwyrddon a Ddwyethorol yma yn y Llym. A yn llyfrgell iawn, ond mae'r Llym ifaith yn ddau, a'r Rhys Gwyrddon yn y ddweud, a lwybod rhywun rydyn nhw...  Felly ydy'r gynydd yng Nghyrch i'r Gŵn, felly rwy'n bywyd yn gweld eich cyfnod ar gyfer, ac rwy'n gweithio i'r gael. Felly mae'n gwybod ar gynhyrch, ond yno gydwch chi rydym yn gweithio, mae'n gweithio i'r gweithio i'r cyfrydd, ond mae'n gweithio i'r gweithio i'r cyfrannu a'u gweithio i'r gyfrannu, y mae'r gweithio i'r gweithio i'r gweithio i'r gweithio. If Heisel does not happen, how it stays is lots of ifs. It's hard to see that a young team, a such a young team 85% or 6%, is not still around in 92% when all the money is pausing. yn, they would have been because you know they would have won a bit more and therefore they'd have attracted better players the game was starting to open up so you would have stayed as part of that big three four you just would have done you know if the and I know people always go oh you say it all went wrong for Everton at Heisel but it was the catalyst for everything that went afterwards because Liverpool they had players there that they'd established themselves they'd won what four European cups by then every player in the world heard of Liverpool so when Barnes and Beardsley are coming up the sale you know that there's not a lot to choose between Liverpool and Everton you know I can you can see why they went to to Liverpool with no European football around you can still see why they went there you know and Everton possibly thought they could get a couple more years out of these players that had just won but they were you know we were injury prone Peter Reid so this is what I'm saying about Reid and Bracewell Reid was on there the end of his sort of legs by that stage wasn't he Brace wasn't fit so you know we tried to replace with with Stuart McCall and one or two and it didn't really work you know and Liverpool got their recruitment very right when they replaced pretty much a whole team around about that point didn't they and you know we got it wrong but you know Howard had left and he was he was the key he understood maybe better than anybody had to get the best out of those guys proved it in 87 with that team and you know within five years of winning the title Sky are on the scene and win nowhere you know yeah another year later a season after Sky come in and we're hanging on you know it was the anniversary the other day the Wimbledon game you know I mean we dropped too far for me to ever accept that that we would have done the same thing had the events not happened as they did no because yeah if Europe is still something we play in it we'd have been in it every year one competition or other you know and thus the name would have been bigger the players attractive would have been better you know we would have just been a factor and by the time that the Premier League comes in we're not we're not a factor and most of those teams that you know United's timing was perfect wasn't it they had this crop of kids coming through you know it was a perfect storm for there the manager of weather you know the dodgy period he established his players his team you know brilliant manager obviously but then came this crop and Sky come in the money and United although they struggled the last few years but they had 20 plus years of being one of the two best teams and and I can't help thinking that we might might have had a you can't have a dynasty if you can't play in Europe you know so if if if what happened to if Heisel happens in 75 Liverpool don't win four European cups you know I'm not saying that people would have caused the problems in 75 there were lots of kicking off everywhere and it wasn't just them at Heisel it's you know so it it wasn't but if it happens in 95 United can't go on to establish that dynasty because then the European players were coming into the game and they wouldn't have gone to United what support can't play in the Champions League it happened so Heisel happened in 85 and it chopped our legs off and yes we could have done things differently in hindsight it's wonderful isn't it and we would have done things differently but we were denied the opportunity to build what Liverpool had done and what you know United did you know the Liverpool team from 75 onwards was in a European final for for something like 10 of the next 11 or 12 yeah you know incredible team yeah that was incredible you know so I'm not saying Eleton would have done that but we would have done a lot more than we did I know incredible but obviously like we say yeah we won an FA cup in the charity shield we had the moist error and we improved but we've we've still not had anything and you know we we're still scratching our arm now looking for looking for something out me to just break this cycle it's a longest period in our history that we've not won a trophy in um so I mean we've got car allowance you lot you know it's that as in Evertonian does that fill you with a little bit more optimism than maybe you've had over the last 10 years I'd say um I used to when when we had moist I kept thinking we were on the cusp I kept thinking you know we'd end the season I think we were in sixth or seventh and I think you know you'd read the newspaper headlines you were linked with this player that player you know I'd have been interested to see what would have happened if for instance um Fernandez comes when he's going to come and doesn't come and a couple of others I'm not we wouldn't have won the league or anything but but uh I did keep thinking maybe you know and and we were close to gold scorer away in many of those years but um probably I mean I was I quite liked when Marco Silva was appointed I was one of those thought yeah he might be you know everybody took I remember reading some people that Alan Myers I think had done an interview with him and other guys had said there's something different about Marco Silva you can sense it you can feel it and and I thought okay all right this you know uh I like the the fact that he had a V in his name silver and Everton I thought it was you know I'll clutch it any straw you will and um and it started wasn't it and he played it I remember going into the Liverpool game season before last you know when we when we played there and we went there and Andre Gomez was fantastic and then Jordan had the the issue at the end of the game and we under Moise I always thought that we took a setback and we we got back on the bike very quickly and were really good I remember us getting beaten three two by Villa in a in a live game and Ashley Young scored just after we'd equalised and we bounced back after that and we went on a really good run after that I think that told a lot about Moise in the changing room we we had that setback against Liverpool and I don't think we were the same again until right at the end of the season and that was really disappointing so again does that say something about the manager or the changing room I don't know but the thing I would say about having Carlo Ancelotti is that none of those players will go back in and start looking at the manager you know saying no I'm not sure about the manager you know because it's amazing that he's here do you not think it's amazing that he's here yeah yeah yeah like us you know well at the time I was thinking as he got the shame fire you know he's been unbelievable but in terms of the game yeah but but the way he's being since he come in incredible people I speak to with the club are just like he's unbelievable he's he's he's amazing you know and we're talking technical staff and I'm talking people just around the place so it isn't it is but you know I spoke when I asked Kevin Radcliffe last week he was like it's about time isn't it isn't it about time this club went and actually got a manager that has done something yeah and when you look at it that way and he was quite blunt about it Kevin Radcliffe you kind of go yeah it is and you're right no one's going to go in and go to Auntie Lottie will what have you ever done? Not in our squad anyway exactly so I know I listen I mean it's fantastic and you'd like to think that none of us know how this is going to play out now with the the season as it is and you know I spoke to a mate the other day and he says it's a win-win for a blue because there's always going to be an asterisk next to it whatever happens now there's an asterisk next to their name and they deserve to win it they're unbelievable team aren't they you know they they are but it'd be quite funny if they didn't and um you know listen whatever happens and however we come out of this and with FFP and and quite what the effect will be whether we do finish the season if we don't finish I don't know how it'll and nobody really knows so all the stuff that you're reading in the papers about who we might sign and the figures that are being no one's got a clue really not really and even the people that should have a clue haven't got a clue because we don't nobody knows and and I think we saw that last night that nobody knows and I don't I don't know quite what'll happen but you'd like to think that him being there gives us a boost that we haven't had in many moons and obviously we have got some dough I don't know whether we'll be able to spend it but you know at some point we will be and he's there and crikey there aren't many managers that you'd like to have instead of him you know wafting around a big checkbook because you know people he's very classy fellow isn't he you know he looks the part he sounds the part you know just everything about him oozes class and um you'd like to think that that that people out there the players that might be coming in the agents that are dealing with him you know that they go up a notch in terms of who they're dealing with here you know and nothing Marco Silva you know potentially that that sort of respect level from a from an agent you know and the agents are all powerful these days are just watching the Ronaldo film again and uh in you see how much power they they wield well Ancelott is you know right up there you know from what he's achieved in the game he demands respect you walk in talk to him you know and and uh and I like the look of the people that we've got behind the scenes now Marcel Brands I mean he's just his impressive looking guy impressive sounding guy you know and um you know and I love the fact that we keep Duncan on board you know because yeah I saw I was at the Chelsea game and that's immediately regardless of whether I was at many games as a kid it's immediately one of my top five Everton moments that Chelsea game they release when uh Richarlison scored you know after three minutes or whatever it was and Duncan didn't even see it at the time Duncan going herring down the touchline I'm there with with Dave Feely and Keith and it was just uh yeah it was it was a bonkers moment and to have Duncan still there to remind people what it's all about and you know he really he really gets it he really gets it and um and it gives you a sense shivers at my spine when I when I see the stuff that he does on uh on social media etc but the when you mix out with the passion that he brought to the whole thing and to have him there with Carlo and Marcel Brands and uh I don't know I mean it's a it's a heady mixture that that you just hope I think we deserve something I know that everybody would say this you know but we deserve something I often think how many clubs can relate to what we've been through and then I think of somebody like Leeds you know who've really you know who who were almost right there touching it reaching out for you know uh the very top level and they they bombed you know and nearly went out of business and they're sort of fighting their way back um but there aren't many clubs I say this to other people I've said it to a walls fan and he goes you need to get some perspective but you know Everton it just feels like we're owed after after 80 we're owed after 77 we're owed there's so many things you know we're owed after Alan Robinson in the milk cup fund there's got to be something somewhere along the line where we'd get this huge dollop of of fortune and um you know I've always hoped it would come in a major match against Liverpool you know a semi-final that one where Yelevich scored a few years ago and they were awful worst Liverpool side I've ever seen and we're 1-0 up at halftime and now we lose that game you know so that nothing ever seems to happen to to give us that that sort of moment that that I think God I think we deserve it you know and I'm not even from Liverpool and I go in the Winslow after a game and these people deserve it you know the team is etched on their faces these people have lived it you know this is their life to you know much more than than than mine I mean it's the most important thing other than family better say that but um other than family it's the most important thing in my life is Everton and has been all my life and yet these guys are on another level they literally live for it day in day out and you know they deserve something you know we you could talk about hard luck forever in a day but I really feel that we deserve something we have some money hopefully we can go out and get some good players and I think that the team that we've got in and around the club now is is probably as good as we've had since Howard was in charge first time around well that is the nice segue into obviously the film the director of the film you put it together you had this idea you harnessed it brought it to fruition was it just a case of you all you look back to obviously it took you back to your school days and and everything else but was it just this thing that that team had almost you said it before slipped through the cracks was gone unnoticed and did you want to put that team back in people's minds by making this film and really remind people of what what your your standards of Everton are it's very much a part of it I just wanted to make a film about Everton I wanted to make a film about Everton and I wanted to make it my my sort of time and I could have made it from the 70s onwards you know if Everton had won something in you know when they nearly did in the Gordon Lee in the 70s you know I could have done that as well because it still that felt like my era but this I kept I wrote a little book I've got it here somewhere isn't it so I kept a book a journal a diary that went through the season you know says so in here somewhere is that every game that was played that whole season is so that's every match that was played in the in the top flight division one there and I loved it and lived it and obviously it was in there and I wanted to I'd want to make a film for ages and ages and ages about Everton you know to to remind people because in our heads Everton's a huge club and we all we all recoil when people talk about the big six don't they and they don't include us you know and because that was never in question when they talked about the big clubs all the way through my life until Sky you know until the latter part of Sky even we were always part of that big six because we had we were one of the wealthiest at some point but because we always won trophies you know 60s we won trophies the 80s we won trophies but before before the 70s on the league in the 70s well we did yeah 69 70 so so we always we were always there or thereabouts you know and so it hurts me now that people don't know how good we were you know and how big we are not were we are the fact is is still there they're just hiding behind the sofas of it now because the lot across the road are good again really good you know and but you know you see what happens if we win something you see where you know the kids that are running around at my you know I'm down in Surrey and the kids that are running around on Saturday morning wearing Man City or whatever you know shirts and Chelsea shirts you know obviously we're quite close to Chelsea here but you know why would they be wearing Man City well it's because they win stuff they've been winning stuff now you know those will be Everton jerseys if there's a bit of success they just will be you know I I think that it really it really troubles me that that people don't see us as a big club but maybe it maybe I'm wrong you know but I saw that lovely graph that they had on on Twitter the other day that that showed the history of of points etc in the league and Everton were top nearly well top two the entire way the entire way and top for most of it until we got almost a year 2000 and that's when Liverpool and overtook us and then right at the end I think Man United did or something like that but still after all that you know we are you know you can't doubt the size of the club in terms of success in history it's just that you know recent history we've not done anything you know so you can't blame a 25 year old for not thinking that Everton are are a big club because you know they get to a cut file every now and again but not really you know they six or seventh or fourth one year but you cannot blame kids growing up nowadays not wanting an Everton shirt the the neutrals I'm talking about they're just the guys because why would they you know I mean I have to I have to force my two you know you know headlocks every day no what did I what did daddy say this morning you know you know so Tottenham no chance so you have to I wanted to remind people definitely it was a magical part of my life and I just my question was will anybody ever share that ambition to to take it from inside here and make a big deal of it because I could have probably got a mini version of it away somewhere you know a couple of interviews and a little bit of highlights and and not really but to get the opportunity to to do it properly um yeah it was it was brilliant and I you know I'm sat in here I'm in the same place where I put most of it together and I wish it was a year ago I wish I was doing it again I wouldn't make many changes but I just wish I I wish I could be doing it again it was brilliant great fun it's it's incredible the way it's put you you know I've said this here before but it's fantastically put together it's knit it just follows a lovely pace all the way through it the stories from the players is incredible that's what makes it Barry I mean you know it elevates because of the the fact that most of them can tell a good story and do tell a good story so you know to have Kevin Ratcliffe and Peter Reed telling the story about the shorts equally well you know both of them told it and they were very funny in telling it to be able to bang them together like that and then to have Derek sort of book ending it with holding up the shorts and you know in his loft so that was a bit of luck you know to find that Derek had that treasure trove in his loft and when I went to see him the first time around he told me he'd got a lot of stuff but we he had that loft as well and I just thought oh that's that's fantastic and you know so so to be able to as you go along to get little bits of luck like finding that the the Everton collection was at the library you know I didn't know that and to meet Jan who was an Everton fan Jan Grace um and to go down there and I mean I could I could have made a film down there with the stuff they had it was just yeah so those are the little bit of luck the little bits of luck that you know that I didn't know I was going to get as we went along so most of it you could sort of plan how it would turn out you knew roughly what people would say but those lovely little stories Alan Harper and Neville I mean I didn't know I was going to get that but once you've got once you've got the first person mentioning it then of course you get the chance to go and say that to the other one um and suddenly you've got the two of them talking about it and it's you know it's it's a lot better so um yeah the player stories I think are what takes it to another this the editorial of the film was there anyway but a laughter that we get in the film and I had a brilliant editor Mike Brooke who who um popped up on on Twitter last night because somebody put that lovely shot I think it's John Bailey's girlfriend's mum drinking a pint of lager at at one of the diners it's a lovely shot and um you know Brookie he just knew what were good shots and how to make stuff funny and we had a lot of fun making it but that you know those players could tell a story and and um you know it was it was once you got the the thread of the story it was about putting those in at the right place with the right pace to keep people laughing and and to sit there you know the first night that we did it when we showed it at um how what did we show at the first at the Odeon um for the first time November 2nd and for people to laugh when Neville's in the cab just saying you know oh they set the city on fire for me um you know to know that they were laughing at that when we didn't think they would they would laugh until Graham Sharp maybe held up the tea towel that was probably the first time we were expecting to laugh I think um and uh you know they made the story they they made the film with the funny stories and then obviously the ending is the ending and it and it had to to follow that um and it's a bit more emotional there's no sort of comedy at the at the end but oh no but um yeah you know when you go to somebody and they tell a story and they tell it so well and I think Graham actually with Graham Sharp was one of the earliest interviews that we did but I'd already spoken to Andy we'd done that shoot at Goodison Park with the drone and the guys but when I spoke to Graham Sharp and he gave us so much time and and he told stories I thought we we've definitely got a film here we I knew at that point uh and that was that was that week we did about seven or eight players that week but he was the first one that week I think or the second one and and I knew as soon as we filmed with Graham that we had a really good film because he told lots of funny little stories he'd got into it where we were talking about the 84 cup final and um you know you you know your ticking boxes as you go along oh I've got a good story there you know I knew I had the short story to come when I had Redie and Ratcliffe and um you know Kevin Kevin Sheedy getting to I felt like when I finished Kevin's interview Kevin Sheedy I thought I don't think we've done justice to the to the free kick so I spoke to him again and said I want to go if we can get on to Goodison will you come and um and and do that free kick one corner the other corner and and he did and you were there that day weren't you you know yeah yeah we were busy crossbar in the crossbar challenge we were having crossbar challenge yeah super so uh so Kevin did did that that day damaged his groin before we even started filming um and still went through with it which is why they didn't go into the net with you know the usual sort of shoot power but uh but bless him he he was still one take top corner bottom corner whatever you know so it's little things like that as you go along you got in your head what you want film Kevin thought I need a bit more um obviously filmed with Gary Stevens and if I'd have thought we needed a bit more it would have been a bit too late to suddenly go back to Australia but but you know everybody was you know Trevor was uh I love talking to Trevor because he's he's a thinker so you know all of his answers are the sort of thoroughbred answers you know and um but they were all they were all like that so as you go along you're just ticking it going brilliant great got that and then you just can't wait so I'm in a little edit suite here um and I literally couldn't wait I've never had a job before where I just desperate to get the stuff ingested into the into the computer so you could just look at it to confirm that you've got what you thought you got log it all loved logging it it's most people think it's boring you're just sitting there for about four or five hours going through you know the interview and and just putting stars by the things that you might use and then going back over it and highlighting it and I love doing all that really tedious stuff and I love it and um and then when you've got all of them when we did inchy the inchy was the last one we did in June I think middle of June um and and then it was like right I've got everything now so if we if we bulls this up then it's all my fault it was just I'll never do anything like that it's brilliant it's absolutely amazing it's some big news come out in the last couple of weeks as well obviously with regard to the film and um and everything in the community so do you want to just give us a refresh of what's happened yeah so there were two that so that so the investor in the film um one half of the investor in the film he's basically um Phil Brian and um he is underwriting the production cost so he is now able we are now able to say that all of the money that's raised from the film from day one so not just from now onwards but from now the first person that put the hand in the pocket to buy the DVD or do the download all of that money is going to go to the people's place and building the people's place which is obviously the mental health project for Everton in the community and um yeah we're keen now to to let people know that that's the case because it is incredible it's an incredible gesture and um hopefully we can get that played because what we're going through right now that place the people's place is going to be so important at the back end of this you know because you know you're all right I'm all right but there'll be lots of people out there who are struggling and this is going to be so invaluable and and and Phil knew that that's that's why he's done it you know he I think he heard an interview on the radio with one of the guys at Everton in the community heard about that project and thought I want to support this I want to help this and he's in a position where he can do it but it's one thing to be in a position it's another thing to want to do it and he does so every penny that's been raised so far and ongoing will go towards that mental health project the people's place um and I you know I would like to think that would be a literally a lifesaver so um you know it's a it's a great message to be able to put forward and we've had the the clubber uh are on board and and supporting us that people uh watching this will probably see that they're doing a lot of promotion for Howard's Way at the moment because we all want to you know be brilliant if we can get that place built wouldn't it be by by what we do with the film um and um yeah so what are we now we're um we're early May so we've got anniversaries coming up so we're going to be doing things around the film and Everton are going to be doing stuff so you know yeah I would be it would be great to think that the film plays a part in and Howard's you know so Howard's legacy effectively the team that he thought now playing a part 30 odd years on um to putting something else in place that's going to really benefit Everton and Everton in the community I think that's rather nice you know yeah listen that's an incredible incredible circle really isn't it it starts starts with you as a boy these memories the no but it does these you know you're at school and you're listening to the radio you're at this amazing time and then you go off to uni and the things are on is great and and then you get these years later and think I want to do something to remember that team by and it all fits into place the 35th year anniversary which sounds terrifying when I say it out loud but with that comes all of these funding now going into the people's place to help people with mental health problems for Everton in the community in L4 particularly whenever they relocate or brand new more the legacy will still be there but but all born out of Howard as well and and the team that he put together and your part of it and and that's part of it it's crazy to think that I used to sit there in assembly not listening you know because the team were that good and meant that much that this would be your sort of the end result of it is a bit bonkers to think like that you know because obviously at that point I didn't even know that I was going to go I still thought I thought half a chance as a professional pool player yeah yeah yeah I still do down down in Cornwall you know there's a lot of us are quite good at the sort of pub games the indoor little games like table tennis and darts and pool and and that was where I thought oh that's my chance that's where I'll make my money and then the eyesight goes and but you know just to sit there and to sit here now and and think it might make a difference is brilliant and I don't know sometimes you just think there's a greater power that's controlling all these things you know I got to spend and work with spend a lot of time and work with Sevy by Steros who was a massive hero to me I love my golf or used to when I played it before the two boys and Sevy was the only golfer that I've ever given a monkey's about and to get to work with him to to play golf with him to get to work with him to make you know films before he was poorly I made some stuff afterwards but but before he was poorly to have a you know Augusta and you know St Andrews and bonkers things like that you know how's that happened how did that work out for me and then Everton as well you know it's it's crazy to to think that that I'd get the opportunity to do this so I'm so yeah I do consider myself you know there's a there is some luck you know so I go on about not Everton not having any luck but I've definitely had some and you know I just need Viv Richards now but Fire in Babylon don't if you've seen that film brilliant film about the West Indies cricket team so I probably can't I can't do anything with Viv but you know I have to be satisfied with Everton absolutely outstanding outstanding listen Rob thank you very much took a lot of your time to date an incredible story and that way to finish it with with what you've done which will now contribute to building what is massively important so thanks so much for taking the time to join us thanks Barry cheers mate see you soon hopefully you will take care mate bye


I'm a very practical person. I think the first priority that we should take as a nation is to get low-level, nonviolent offenders, mentally ill people and people who are suffering from substance abuse as their primary issue out of the criminal justice system. They don't belong there or particularly out of the prison system. That will free up a lot more breathing room and resources to focus on the more serious crimes that concern us the most.


Rwy'n gobeithio, i fyddo. Ac mae yn cyfnodd, rwy'n cyfnodd, sy'n cyfnodd ddechrau'r cwmffordd, mae'n cyfnodd i'r ffordd. Yr 1 ddau yw'r ymgyrches yn ychydig i bwysig ymddangos yn y cyfnodd. Byddwch â'r ffordd o'r ffordd. I want to tell you a little bit about the perspective that we're taking at the OECD, and it's a little bit different, I would say, certainly from the central bank perspective and from the IMF perspective. We, in terms of our levers and our influence, we rely enormously on the trust element because we effectively trade off our reputation, our good name. We don't provide any money, we don't have formal legal powers, and so our reputation is effectively what we use to be able to work off. Now, I'm not going to take a risk with a word cloud and mentee, and I'm actually going to give you some of the elements that people would tend to use to describe the OECD, objective analysis, evidence-based, standard setting, and best practices.  Many of you know the OECD and you've known it for years. The thing is, your entry points are all very different, and we actually recast the mission of the organisation in the light of the global financial crisis that hit in 2008 when I walked through the doors of the OECD. It said for a better world economy, and the world economy, excuse the phrase, was going down the toilet. So, what could we do about that? Try and recast it, go back to our origins, the convention of the 1960s, and actually distill it down to better policies for better lives. Great. The problem is that a little bit like with depression, and we're all suffering it to a certain extent, I think we would all agree right now, the policies are not getting through to the lives. So, we have problems with synapses, and we have problems with neurons. That's my mentee word cloud. I'm not taking a risk with you. You would put boring and all sorts of other things in there. Now, when we look at this concept of trust and an organisation that has those elements around it, authoritative, evidence-based, et cetera, well, it's logical that we should be entrusted by an entity like the G20 to develop international standards to address tax avoidance, both illicit and licit. Illicit tax havens, licit multinational companies, parking their operations, intangible operations, injuristictions where they pay incredibly low tax or no tax at all. So, that's great. You've got Mr. Goehr on the right hand side, you've got the G20. Odea. What do we confront? We are very happy at the OECD because we begin moving on tax havens as of 2009, but suddenly we get brought down to earth by revelations along the lines of paradise papers that you all followed last week and a couple of weeks ago. So, the problem is that citizens are looking at these issues whilst we are busily trying to fix the problem, and Jerry used the image of the sunshine and repairing the roof. The problem we had was that we didn't repair the roof when the sun was shining. We had the seeds to solve the problem back in 1998. As this is on the record, I won't go into the details as to why those seeds weren't planted in 1998. I think you can understand probably the reasons why we're a member-driven organisation. Perhaps our members didn't feel the appetite at the time to go down that road, but the elements to address tax havens existed as early as that. What does it take to make the ground fertile?  Shit is a very good fertilizer, as we know. So, you can go in there and you can start sowing your seed, but remember it's 2008 and it's 2009. It takes a hell of a long time to harvest things. Now, we may think that things in terms of years are very short. The problem is everybody's time span, whether it's a citizen, particularly an angry one, who's now come to the end of their tether, perhaps after 20-25 years' worth of dissatisfaction. They don't have that level of patience. So, we're busy being very proud of the work that we've done with the G20 in order to address tax havens and base erosion and profit shifting. We're caught, as we were last Monday, Monday before, at the CBI conference in the United Kingdom, with the revelations around the Paradise Papers. We weren't in the front line in terms of criticism, but a lot of people are looking and saying, well, I thought you'd fixed that problem. I thought you sorted it all out. The problem is that what we're doing is we're fixing it so that it can't happen again. But all the bits that people are focusing on are the world as it has been. So, we have a major problem of temporality. First one. Second problem we have. You recognise this picture? Those of you who are fans of Monty Python. Right. What have the Romans ever done for us? All apart from sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, et cetera, right? The thing is that what citizens really like is the ends. They're not so big on the means. So, the Romans are the ones who deliver certain things for that perm, the EU, or for that perm, the ECB. And I know because I know how important the role of the ECB, I can say it because I don't work for the ECB. The ECB has played an extraordinarily important role in the last few years in managing the eurozone. But the problem we have is that people and citizens, they love ends. Look at the figures around this on our analysis on trust and public policy this year. They're into education, they're into health care, they're into even the local police. But national government that delivers many of these outcomes, that's not really something that people are into. So, you know and we struggle with this. At least we take solace in the fact that what we do is appreciated. But the means in order to get to that point, there is a disconnect there. So, we have a temporality problem in terms of gap and we also have a problem in terms of people not really being into the means. What delivers? They like the delivery element. I think we're seeing a lot of that around Brexit in the United Kingdom right now. Okay, now if that weren't enough, those of you who are surfers may think that's a wonderful picture and a really exciting thing. I wouldn't like to be the surfer going down that wall. This is in Portugal, it's one of the most scary places that you could possibly do this. What you're looking at is a wall of water that is absolutely coming towards you. And we have all been living this now. I would trace this back in our case to April 2016. And we confront a situation which is not new in the sense that I think I would contend that post truth has been with us all the way back historically. You could trace it back to English Monarchs in the 12th and 13th centuries. But what we are living is something that is very turbo charged right now. And we haven't lived anything like that not only in our lifetimes but I think historically. So how do you confront a situation like this? Quick story on our story of Brexit. So the OECD does not normally get into political debates and environments. So we stay away from comments prior to elections. But we were put in a very difficult situation when it came to the referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union. Why? Because it was a very sui generous situation. It wasn't just about the impact that this could have on one member of the OECD, the United Kingdom, or indeed on 22 members of the OECD who are also members of the European Union, but a massive impact on all of the members of the OECD and I would contend beyond that in terms of the global economy. Because in the language that I don't understand but that people use, this would be termed an event. We should think about that when we use words like that, an event. We all know what an event means in this room but people outside, they're not so clear. And what did we do? We produced a learned report as the OECD. We had, I think it was a 50 page report, managed to keep it down to that. We had annexes. We probably had a few equations in the back as well. Where did we present the report? Wonderful. We went to the London School of Economics in the heart of London. Excellent place to do that, right? We got wonderful coverage in the financial times. Damning report on the effect of Brexit. Marvelous. I'm doing my job. OECD slashes growth forecast. Even the Guardian. The telegraph, you know, a bit more on the right side of things. Global chain reaction. Sky News. And David Cameron. Excellent. We've got the full sort of establishment support for our operation, haven't we? Job done. Okay. Now it gets interesting. The Sun decides to write an editorial. They do have editorials in the Sun. They're incredibly short. And in the first paragraph of the editorial, what they said, as the OECD says today, a net migration in the United Kingdom is incredibly high and this is going to be quite appalling for the United Kingdom, as we and the Sun believe. Therefore, vote leave. Second paragraph, those bits that they say about economic forecasting and the fact that you're going to be far worse off, well, you know, we know that we can't possibly trust any of that stuff. So they cherry pick the bits that they quite like and then they dismiss the other bits. The Daily Telegraph. More on the opinion side, starting to question us. And now this is the kicker. Those of you who have read Tim Shipman's book on the campaign in, on Brexit, you will see that this was a well-planned tactic by the Leave campaign that did an excellent job, by the way, professionally. I didn't like it, but it was an excellent job in terms of the professionalism. EU funded. What were they trying to do? Immediately delegitimize us. Oh, well, we are paid for by the European Union. Therefore, anything that is said by us shouldn't be worth the paper that it is written on. And I go back to the issue around our reputation, our brand is everything. And if we didn't need it, there we have Nigel Farage saying wonderful things about the leaders of the World Bank, the IMF and others. ECB was saved on that one. You all know that. Michael Gove. Well, not necessarily the best place person to do that, given that he was Minister for Education. He was also Minister for Justice. Suddenly, he forgot that those expertise areas were areas of relevance. OK. Now, I'm going to shift through quickly because I'm already out of time. So, I'm in Fergie time, which Adrian's kindly given me. What do we do? Six things that we can start doing. Use a language that people understand. It is jog and monoxide. Now, I'm going to take advantage of being in this room, and I'm going to tell you I've always had a problem with a particular term, negative growth. It is a contradiction in terms. I've been saying for the best part of 10 years at the OECD, do not use the word negative growth, but we continue to use those terms. We have to be really careful. I know we're laughing in the room and I laugh, but don't just laugh, stop using it. Find another way. Be more honest about things because this is the sort of stuff that does get us into trouble. But we've done a certain amount of this ourselves, and I'll come to it. Certainly, we have to move from books, from reports, from the reading that Jerry was talking about. People are too long to read. They're not reading. Part of it is also that. We have to be aware of that. They will be viewing, and if they view, they will read. I'll give a little example. The other day, we visited the Bank of England and we had some time with Mark Carney. We gave him two elements. We gave him a series of slides of SlideShare, and we gave him the book of the economic survey of the United Kingdom from the OECD. He grabbed the SlideShare. He started looking at the visuals. He started circling them. The book was over here. I think he probably would have taken a look at the book afterwards, but that was really what was grabbing his attention. We got his attention for a short period of time, and we had 15 messages that we got through really well visually. Listening and talking to the right people, and Christine has mentioned, people like us in this room, how often do we get out and about? There's a really good example that I picked up on recently. He had a chance to talk to Andy Heldain yesterday evening. He's getting out and about. We all need to get out and about to the places that we wouldn't normally go to, to meet the people that we wouldn't normally speak to. That's a really difficult exercise, but it's a very necessary exercise. We may not like what we hear, but it's very important that we actually hear what concerns people out there, rather than what we think they're concerned about. Respond to the geography of discontent, get out into those zones and areas that we normally don't get out to. We don't go beyond capitals very much at the OECD. It's all capital-based. Public engagement, co-creation and co-construction. Examples on geography of discontent, bringing people into the OECD who have been out and about. A young guy called JD Taylor took his bike, cycled all the way around the United Kingdom, Midlands, the North, in France. La France Periferic, Christophe Guyill, very similar exercise. I'm almost there. When you're talking about international trade, it's this sort of stuff, short videos that we did around an award that we were given for international trade. If it doesn't improve the well-being of people, it ain't worth it. We have to be saying this stuff. These are means. They are not ends. That's the sort of language we are capable of using at the OECD. Oh, dear. Yes. Yes. When you want to get inside people's heads and you want to say that NAFTA can be actually helpful, talk about a relay race. You're all in it together.  You all get through, and there are three or four of you, you can all win. I know the simplification there, but at least people understand what you're talking about. When we are talking, listening to the right people, that's the outer analytics, analytics of social media and our impact, the impact that we had in the Brexit debate. We were nowhere. We were absolutely nowhere. The audience was 35 million people, 0.08% was our audience share. Take a look at that. I showed that. I'm in triple foggy time. That was the reach of the OECD, and I did it deliberately to shock the OECD, because that is the world that we inhabit now. If you want to influence, unfortunately, it's a very difficult thing. Use visual arguments. Left-hand side, parental leave, huge retweeting around something like that. We produce good visuals. Ed Conway at Sky News grabs them, and he puts them on national television, which again, as Christine showed, has real impact for us. We need to be thinking in terms of that. What is the real world impact of the policies that we put in place? Like PISA and the transformation that's taken place in this country in Germany, when many of you may remember, 10 years ago, Germany wanted to take away Andreas Schleicher's nationality because he had the temerity to rank Germany 10th out of the countries that were involved in this project, or indeed addressing telecommunications or in Israel, rent levels. There's loads of real world impact stories. On civic engagement, we've done something pretty cool at the OECD, the Better Life Index, we put citizens at the centre. You actually have to be the ones to say what's most important to your well-being. On the basis of that, we are then able to capture that information first, foray into big data. Last but not least, when we're thinking about communication, bear one thing in mind, the thing that you've been doing over the last 12 minutes, and that is listening to me. Thank you very much for doing it. Keep doing it because that's probably the key to success in the future.