We're back. We're live. It's the one o'clock rock, okay? And this is research in Manoa. We have one of our favorite researchers from HIGP. And if you don't know what HIGP stands for, it's going to be on the final exam. And I'll tell you again, it stands for the Hawaii Institute of Geophysics and Planetology. It's part of SOAS, the School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology at UH Manoa. Enough acronyms? Yeah. Sarah Fagens, okay? She's a researcher there at HIGP, and she's working on the Mars program. And she's got certain responsibilities based on her, let's say, her volcanic and geophysics background. And she makes instruments and things for the Mars landing scheduled in 2020. And that's very exciting. And every day that goes by gets more exciting. Welcome back to the show, Sarah. Thank you. Thank you for having me back again. So how is your work doing these days? Well, good. As the years roll by, we've been working on this for a few years now. But the schedule of activities and meetings is ramping up. The Mars 2020 mission itself is currently in phase C, which is the construction of all the instruments. So final design, construction of instruments. And then in another couple of years, the instruments will be delivered to Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California for assembly into the spacecraft itself. So we've been busy having meetings and discussing what kind of science observations we want to make, discussing our instrument. And the team as a whole and the community as a whole has been trying to choose a landing site to send this mission to. Ah, yeah. One thing, before we go to your slides, and I do want to go to your slides, is that it strikes me that this process is entirely different than, say, the Moon landing in what, 1968, was it? Because you're dealing with hundreds, well, the project, the principal investigator, are dealing with hundreds of people across the world who talk to each other all the time. That's right. It's a very international mission. The rover itself has seven instruments. Each instrument team is tens of people strong. And then these might be drawn from all over the country, all over the world, all over the country and the world, to develop the very best components we can put on the spacecraft. Yeah. So it's really a matter of communication and thus collaboration among all these people who know each other. You were telling me how you were ultimately picked on the basis of some fellow you knew as you met in a scientific conference and the like. Yeah, the PI on the instrument, the Mastercam's instrument I'm working on, used to be a grad student here at the University of Hawaii. And I met him during those days and we've kept in touch. And when he needed a volcanologist for the science team, then he thought of me. See, that's the way it happens. That's the best way, you know, because then you look for excellence. It's based on merit. It's based on what you know about people. And as a result, you get the best result. Okay, so let's do your slides so you can explain to people what you're working on, and especially those three candidates for the landing spot on Mars. Yep. So the 2020 mission, it will be launched out of Cape Canaveral in Florida in the summer of 2020. And then it will have an eight to nine month cruise phase to get to Mars. Mars is about 200 million miles away from Earth. So it takes a little while to get there. It's going to arrive in early 2021. And then this mission is modeled very much on the current Mars Science Lab curiosity mission that's roving around on the surface at the moment. So it's going to use the same entry descent and landing, which as the spacecraft approaches the atmosphere, it'll deploy a parachute to slow it down in the atmosphere. And then once it's slowed down enough, it will have a powered lander, which will slow it down and gently deposit the rover on the surface using this sky crane technique. The rover is lowered on a tether within, you know, 20 feet or so of the surface. And once the spacecraft detects that the ground has been reached, it cuts the tether. And then the powered phase flies away to crash land somewhere else so that it doesn't cause any problems at the landing site in itself. And so this sky crane technique is designed to sort of stop too much dust and debris being kicked up and deposit the rover in a nice fashion. And that third picture reminds me of one of the drones they have at the shop or image store about 500 bucks. I guess it's not that little bit more expensive, much larger than one of those drones. But yeah, yeah. Okay, carry on. And so the mission itself is designed to last a Martian year. That's 687 birthdays. And it has basically four objectives when we get to the surface. The first is to characterize the geology and the habitability of the environment around the land. And we're talking about habitability for possible microbial life that may have developed very early on in Mars' history when it was a much warmer and wetter place. This could be, what do you call it, an antigen, no? It could be something that's not friendly to us. Well, I think what did develop was probably, you know, pretty benign and unable to harm us. I keep imagining Matt Damon out there. What would he do? Well, yeah. I mean, we've got to get all science-y over this mission. So it's just a manned or unmanned? It's unmanned. It's a robotic rover explorer. The second objective of the rover is to look for actual biosignatures, actual signs that life had developed at some point in the Martian past. And the third objective is to, and the first time this has been done actually, is to collect samples of the rock and the soil and store them and catch them on the surface of Mars so that they may later be visited by another mission just to pick them up, bring them home to Earth so that we can analyze them in our labs at Earth. I mean, we've got a lot of very sophisticated instruments on the rover itself, but it'll take analysis in the labs on Earth to really know whether we found biosignatures, the signs of life. Well, to dwell on that for just a moment, you know, we know, and we have learned from you guys at HIGP, that there are only so many elements in the universe. They're all on the periodic table of elements. So you're not going to find any elements out there that are not on that periodic table. This is good. Right. There won't be any surprises. There's been known parameters here. Yeah, known parameters. However, the idea of finding biological life, that's a little different because, you know, all our evolution of biological life on this planet, on Earth, has been on Earth. Does anybody, you know, have any thoughts about whether the biological life you could find on Mars is going to be similar given the same periodic table of elements, you know, to start with? Carbon, for example? Yeah. Similar to what we have here. Or could it be something that is really an invasive species? And when it comes back, serif agents, is it going to be something that you have concerned about? Well, I think there are protections in place to make sure whatever we bring back is very well contained, very well handled. We're gloves, will you? Yeah, that's right. Thank you. Mars actually is really very Earth-like. I mean, it seems kind of like an alien planet, but certainly in the past it was even more Earth-like. We know we're dealing with the same kind of rocks, same, you know, general planetary system. In the past it was warmer and wetter, so we fully anticipate that the kinds of life that may have developed there in the past will be very similar to very primitive single cell kind of organisms that we see on Earth. And there may be some differences, but we don't expect anything radically different. That would be so interesting. You know, I'm a scientist, I want to have first dibs that I want to look at that under a microscope and check out the DNA. Oh, so exciting. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, there's certainly plenty to be discovered. So we had another reshopper image device on the screen a minute ago. Can you lift the rover? Bringing back the rover. Oh, there it is. That looks really cute. I didn't see that in a reshopper image myself. No, that's right. No, this is actually one of the graphics that the Mars 2020 mission has supplied for us to explain to people. So if you visit the Mars 2020 mission website, you'll find images like this. They're really great images. So this shows the different instruments that will be on board the rover. The Mastcam-Z and the Supercam, they actually are situated on a Mars that rises up to view the environs. And I'm a co-investigator on the Mastcam-Z instrument. The Supercam is kind of a real mega instrument. It's a high-resolution camera. It's a spectrometer and has a laser. And it uses those. That's yours. No, the Supercam actually is my colleagues, Shib Sharma and Anupam Mizra are involved in that. Yeah, I'm on the Mastcam. The Mastcam. Yeah. So those two are on the central mast. And then below that, there's the MEDA, which is the Mars Environment Dynamics Analyzer, which is basically meteorology. It'll take temperatures, humidities, that kind of thing. And then on the arm that sticks out at the front of the rover is the Sherlock instrument, which is a very high-resolution ultraviolet spectrometer and the pixel instrument, which is a planetary instrument for x-ray lithochemistry. And both of those, you can put the instruments right up next to the rocks and they'll analyze the very fine-scale chemistry of the target rocks. It's the most sophisticated rover ever made, huh? Yeah, the instruments have been designed specifically with not only characterized in agility, but with looking for biosignatures. So certainly the Sherlock, the Supercam, they have aspects of them that will be able to say, OK, this is a potential biosignature. We will sample this rock and we'll cache it to be brought back home. So some questions about the rover. How big is it? How long? I mean, how wide? It is sort of car-sized. It weighs just shy of about a thousand kilograms. So it's similar to the Curiosity rover, which is itself substantially larger than the previous rovers, the spirit and opportunity that went before. It looks so vulnerable with all those sensors hanging out to the cameras. I mean, aren't you worried about like meteorites coming down and damaging it? Well, we sort of play the odds there that an actual strike on something that's not that big won't be won't be happening. It is kind of a harsh radiation environment and the temperature environment can be quite extreme, which is why we select, you know, landing sites in areas that are a little bit more benign, but it's designed to withstand, you know, a certain amount of radiation damage and what have you. And our experience with the past rover missions is that these these little guys can keep on trucking for much longer than their design lifetime. Years. Yes. Yes. Many, many years. You leave them there. You don't bring them back.  They run on solar batteries. The Spirit and Opportunity Rovers were on solar and the Curiosity, the last one, and this are run on a radioisotope generator.   What is the radioisotope generator? It's it's a small nuclear powered source. Yeah, with a little bit of uranium in there. It's I think it's plutonium 238, if I remember rightly. Yeah, that's pretty sophisticated stuff. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And it enables a much larger rover to be powered. And, you know, you can you can power multiple instruments at a given time. And you're not dependent on the sunlight coming up, the sun coming up to power everything up. So it allows for a lot more versatility. That is really sophisticated stuff. OK, we'll take a short break so we can kind of get our heads together about this and go on to the next step. That is deciding next step. You know, this is the cliffhanger. We're going to decide where to land who right now. Aloha, my name is Joe Kent, and I'm the vice president of research at the Grassroot Institute of Hawaii. The Grassroot Institute is a public policy think tank. And we try to build a better economy in Hawaii. And you can see us on the TV show A Hana Kako on the Think Tech Hawaii Broadcasting Network every Monday at two o'clock. We'll see you there. And let's build a better Hawaii together. Aloha. Thank you for watching Think Tech. I'm Grace Chang, the new host for Global Connections. You can find me here live every Thursday at 1 p.m., where we'll be talking to people around the islands or visiting the islands who are connected in various aspects of global affairs. So please tune in and Aloha and thanks for watching. We're back with Sarah Vajans of HIGP talking about the moon, the moon trip. Unmanned moon trip in 2020. Mars trip. Mars trip, did I say moon? Oh, Mars trip. And that's only three years away. It's coming up quick. Oh, oh, it's exciting. You know, I'm still getting used to 2017 myself. I know. So the big thing is choosing the site. This is really important because you have to build the trajectory, the course, I guess, based on where you're going to go and figure out all the physics involved in that. So what are the candidates and who's advocating for what? Well, the landing site selection process takes place over four to five years. And it involves anybody who's interested in Mars, as long as they can make a scientific case to go to a particular site, can be involved. And then over four or five workshops, the candidate field is whittled down, kind of like planetary survivor. Sites get voted off each time. And we currently, we just had a meeting last month. We went in with eight candidate sites and we're now down to three candidate sites. And people go to these meetings and they they present their case for why we should go to that particular site. Arguments come out. Well, it's it's predicated upon you must you must meet the geological objectives, the objectives of the mission by a particular site. So this graphic here shows this is actually kind of a complicated graphic. But it's a map of Mars. The color coding is the cooler colors are low elevations. The warmer colors are high elevations. And there's a band in the middle where we've got some black and gray. And the band is a latitude band. We need to be able to land in a place where temperature conditions are favorable. So between 30 degrees north and 30 degrees south is where we need to land so that we can operate the mission. Then the black areas here are areas that are too high in elevation to land in. When the spacecraft is is coming down through the atmosphere, it needs enough atmosphere to slow itself down. So if it lands too high, the atmosphere is too thin, so it needs to go to lower elevations. And the gray areas are areas that are too dusty that spacecraft needs to land on a solid, competent surface. So those are the engineering constraints. Temperature constraints, altitude constraints, dust constraints. We also need to land in areas that aren't too steep. You don't want to tip your rover over and you don't want to land on top of a rock. So the rock abundance in any particular area has to be less than a certain amount in order to safely, safely land. So if you can present a site that meets the engineering constraints, and also the geological constraints, the mission constraints, we need to go somewhere that would have been habitable, that may have biosignatures, et cetera. So we study these sites from orbit and we try and figure out, OK, was this place a habitable environment? What can tell us whether it's a habitable environment? The morphology, the shapes of the landforms, the mineralogy, the composition of the rocks that we can see from orbit with the current orbital assets that we've got up there. And so it's a lot of work to sort of integrate all of those those aspects into a presentation for a viable site. Yeah, it's not only looking at one location. It's looking at a number of locations and then comparing them on a great number of factors. Yes. So, OK, so now there are three left. You got more slides about the three? Yes, I've got a slide for each of the three. The previous map just showed the red dots were locations of where these sites were. And we're down to three now. And one is a crater, Jezero Crater. It's an old impact crater that we can tell by looking at it would have been filled with water at some point. So water clearly is one of the key ingredients for life. It makes something a habitable environment. And it's flat at the bottom. It's flat at the bottom. So the graphic on the left here shows Jezero Crater. And the little yellow oval is the landing ellipse where the spacecraft would land. And then the solid line, the black line in the rest of the image, that shows the outline of the watershed. That's the area of land adjacent to Jezero that would have drained into Jezero crater. We see some inlet valleys have been outlined there. So it has two valleys that drain into it. So not only would the crater itself with the lake in have been habitable, but if there was life that had developed in the rocks in this large, this is something like 23,000 square miles of a watershed. Oh, the whole watershed. Yeah. If life had developed in the rocks there, those rocks would have been eroded and transported by the fluville, the river activity, and then deposited in Jezero. So not only could Jezero have been inhabited, but you're also bringing extra stuff in, which would have been concentrated in the sediments at the base of the lake here. You're looking for biomaterial to be a great location. Exactly. And there were two other delta sites that were being considered. This one was the most favored. And the graphic on the right shows one of these inlet channels, and it shows one of these deltas, or the sort of the scarf, the scalloped edges, and the scarf at the edge, and the channels on top of it. And looking at the very base of that delta, which is where all the fine grained biotic material could potentially have been deposited, that would be a key place to go and look at. It looks like the green on the golf course. This is a color composite. It's not really green vegetation or anything like that. No, it's not. It's a color composite. And the colors in that image highlights certain compositions of minerals we see on the surface. So the greeny RNG is an olivine carbonate unit. And we think the carbonate, that's a mineral that requires water to alter it. And then the delta itself contains a lot of clay type material, which is very fine grained. That also requires water to form it from alteration of rocks. So if we look from orbit and we see these minerals there, these minerals that must have water involved, that says to us, OK, this may have been a habitable environment. How wide is the crater itself? The crater itself, let's see, it's something like 25 miles wide. So it's easy to actually land in there? Yes, we can land in a little ellipse. The probability, we're confident that we can land within about a 10 kilometer radius ellipse. So you've got a spaceship that's up there. It drops a second spaceship below it before the picture of that. And then on the second spaceship, that's where the rover is. It drops the rover. It drops the rover and the rover lands gently. And then it'll start deploying all of its bits and pieces so that it can wake up and take a look around it and figure out where exactly it is. OK, let's go and see the other candidates for the landing site. And then you'll tell me your favorite. And I'll tell you my favorite. So this is a region called Northeast Certis. It's very close to Jezero, actually. And it's rather than being this beautiful crater with the preserved delta in, it's a very ancient site that we anticipate being able to find stacked layers of rock that have been altered by water in various means. So we're looking down on some of the features we can see here. And on the left-hand side is a little cross section if you were to walk up to it in the field there, you might see these stacked layers on top of one another. So the crater retaining cap could be a volcanic unit. But beneath that, there are geologic units that we've seen from orbit that we know the composition of. So there's this olivine carbonate unit, which is on the side of a mesa in the graphic where it says cap. That's actually like a maze, like a table mounted. The slopes of that maze are very steep. And that favors exposure, recent exposure, because you know how boulders fall off the side of steep slopes. It exposes fresh surfaces, which would be a place to go and look for biosignatures. Because very ancient surfaces, biosignatures would be destroyed by the harsh environment of Mars. So we want to go and look at steep slopes. Below that, again, is an olivine carbonate unit. And also the iron magnesium smectite, that's clay, again, needs water to form. Then there's this megabretcher unit, which is the little blotchy, pale blotches in the center of the square there, which is a kilometer by a kilometer. These are vestiges of the formation of the very large Isidus impact basin. So it's very ancient rock. We can go up and look at that, see what that can tell us about the very ancient environment of Mars, which is when it would have been habitable. And then there are these raised ridges, which are actually fractures related to the Isidus impact basin that have been later, we think, mineralized by filled by mineralized fluids. So water fluxing through there, nutrient rich, another great place to look at for potential biosignatures. So it just has a fair amount of diversity on the topography there. Yes, very diverse in a very small area, which is great, because you don't want to spend a long time driving places. There's more potential for mishaps that happen a long way. If you've got everything in a very compact area, that's really favorable. That's one kilometer, as opposed to, what did you say, the other, the? Jezero crater itself. 23 miles. Yeah, and the ellipse that we land in is 10 by, roughly 10, 10 by 10. 10 by 10 miles. Kilometers, sorry. Kilometers. So six miles. So this is much smaller, the second one here. The ellipse, the landing area is about the same, but they're focusing in on this particular region here as one of the key spots that are going to happen. It was not green. No, it's not. I didn't have the compositional information on that one, yeah. OK, let's go to the third. So the third one is Columbia Hills, which is, we've been to before. This is where this. Look at tire tracks. Yes, that's exactly right. This is the, these are wheel tracks of the Spirit Rover that landed in Columbia Hills. And what it found there was so interesting that there's a large section of the community that they want to go back there. Columbia Hills, the area itself was an impact crater that turned out to be a very degraded, filled with lava, but very degraded lava plain. So Spirit drove off to the hills that it could see on the horizon. And this turned out to be really interesting. There was some volcanic deposits there. And then highlighted on this slide, which was presented by a colleague Steve Ruff at the last landing site workshop, is this opaline silica outcrop. It looks like nothing much. I mean, it's really not a very big outcrop. But as you zoom in and look at it with instruments, these are actually on the right. These are images from the field there, from Spirit Rover. When you look in very, very fine detail, you see these very strange shapes, these nodular morphologies. We know of a not organic material that this is rock. Yeah, yeah, silica rich material. We know that opaline silica in terrestrial environments is produced at hot spring hydrothermal locations. And actually, if you look at some of the deposits in, I mean, we know that hydrothermal locations are teeming with microbial life. So this is a very interesting spot to go back to. If you look at these little silica features in very under a microscope here on Earth, we see that they're actually microbial. Ah, so there's microbial involvement in those structures. So what strikes me is if you've already been there and it's dynamic, but it isn't dynamic, then you would have the benefit of seeing the changes from the earlier Rover. Actually, that's a really interesting point. One of the other reasons to go back is to go and find Spirit Rover and look at what 17 years of exposure in the Martian environment has done to it. And that actually addresses another of the objectives of this mission is to, which I didn't get to before, but it's to prepare for humans to go to Mars. So understand the environment, understand the radiation environment. What has Spirit suffered and what would humans suffer during prolonged exposure on the surface of Mars? So what's your pick, Sarah?  So I should like Columbia Hills because it's volcanic terrain. But I really like Jezero. I think it's, you know, the morphology, the geology there is so clear that I would love to go there. There's also some lava flows at Jezero, which would satisfy my volcanology urges, but I like Jezero. Any chance you can stow away and sort of slip into the spaceship and, no. It's helpful. Okay. Well, okay. And I agree with you. I like Jezero too. That struck me and maybe it was the green collar. It looked like a better location. What's wrong with you? Any one of these would be great. I mean, I like the idea of going to somewhere new, but any one of them, I think we can handily meet all of the mission objectives. This is great. I hope you'll come back and talk some more about how this evolves as a plan. We haven't examined all the aspects, of course, but we need to study it more. It's coming out of Hawaii. So important that we have participation and we are in the center of this scientific effort. That's terrific. Thank you. Thank you, Jezero.


Displaying hex digits on a 7-segment display can be very useful. The ancients tended to count in octal, but today we typically count in hex because we have a plethora of bits, so displaying data in the modern mode is highly desirable. I have this chip here, which is a binary to 7-segment decoder chip. This other chip is just a 7493 counter to exercise the decoder. So, which 7400 series chip is the decoder? Trick question, there is no such thing as a 7400 series binary to 7-segment decoder chip. There is a DM9368 that does it, but you need to get that on eBay. So, what is this mystery chip? It's an AT-Tiny84 microcontroller, acting as a simple 16x7 ROM. They're much cheaper than a dedicated decoder chip, 80 cents each for one, or $1.19 and a dip package. The only downside is that they are slow compared to a dedicated chip, but if you don't need the speed, these are great. An AT-Tiny84 has 12 IO pins, which is enough for a decoder having 4 inputs and 7 outputs. So, I quickly wrote an assembly language program to read the input pins, look up the corresponding output pattern, and write that to the output pins in a loop. Here's the program. I added copious documentation on how to compile it and use the chip. Unfortunately, I don't go into detail about how to program the chip. There are lots of ways to program a device, and most of them are very fiddly and the instructions are highly dependent on the operating system, version, type of cables, and voltage. The best way is simply to get a dedicated device programmer and not waste your time. Take a look at OpenProg if you wish to build your own, link down below. Or try the MiniPro programmer, which I used, link also down below. Anyway, the program starts by disabling the watchdog timer. This is the thing that will reset the processor if it doesn't get touched within a certain period of time. It's to prevent the processor from hanging. I don't anticipate this happening because all my programs are perfect, so I just turn it off. Next, I disable all pull-ups on input pins. I don't want to add a load to the signals being monitored, although this does mean that the display will probably be random if there is no signal. In this next part, I couldn't help but add a non-standard feature. I actually read from one of the output pins to determine whether the LED connected to it is common cathode or common anode. The ROM effectively inverts its output if necessary, so you can use either common cathode or common anode displays with this thing. Next, I set pin directions. I'm using four pins on port A as the input and the other four pins on port A and three pins on port B as the output. I wanted to read all four digital inputs at the same time, which you can only do if the inputs are on the same port. Since port B only has three usable pins available, the fourth being dedicated to the reset signal, I had to use port A. Then comes the loop. Read the inputs on port A, look up what we should output in the table below, and output on port A and B. That's it. This instruction is where I invert the outputs if we detected that it was necessary from the earlier LED probe. So, we just hook it up and it looks like a 16x7 ROM. The loop is 15 clock cycles long. Without an external clock, the device uses its internal 8 MHz clock, and by default this is divided by 8 unless otherwise specified. That means the loop is 15 microseconds long, which is the effective read delay for this ROM. I could have sped this up by setting the clock division factor to 1 in the beginning, which would get us a read delay of 1 in 7 eighths microseconds. However, since this is a visual display, pretty much any delay up to 10,000 microseconds is acceptable, so I just didn't care. In the general ROM case, I might want to use a device with more available port pins, which would make the loop much tighter, since I wouldn't have to do all this swapping and anding. Anyway, the next step is to get a handful of AT tinies and put together a board with 4 7-segment displays so I can display a 16-bit number. That will enable me to display the address and data lines on the TMS99 CPU to see what's going on. Thanks for watching.


Hi, this is Stu Miniman with wikibond.org, SiliconANGLE TV, goes out to the show, strikes a signal from the noise. We're here at the St. Regis Hotel for the open SDX event, a small event about 200 people coming to hear Janet Napolitano, Hilary Clinton, just business leaders from around the industry and joining me for this segment is Dr. Tom Bradich with HP's part of the moonshot team. On the Cube, we've chronicled moonshot since the original inception and the launch. The concept came out about three years ago, two years ago, physical product and Tom, if you could give us, what's the update on moonshot? Great. First of all, let me say I'm very happy to be here at this open SDX event and Nexenta who's sponsoring it is a great company with great leadership and very happy to give you an update on what's happening with this moonshot platform. We've had some keen interest in end-users, customers and partners. Very interesting is what we call the web-in-the-box concept where we're moving many tiers of web serving into a single part number to manage, meaning only one skew to manage. It really lowers the cost of management, which you may know is a very big cost in that as well. The future is looking really bright as well. In addition to some cool things coming up, I'll tell you about we have on the market today a hosted physical desktop or remote desktop or as it's now being called a workplace as a service product. So highly integrated with a built-in GPU graphics processor to give a very rich experience as well. Yeah, it's been interesting. As I go around to the shows, I've been seeing moonshot pop-up lots of places. I was in San Francisco a few months back at the Cloud Foundry Summit. It looked like, you know, cloud and big data and paths all in a box. It was pretty fascinating. New architectures give us new opportunity to sometime change things. I guess you've got some new provocative things that you wanted to share and update on the project. Well, we do and I can tell you something about it. Not out on the market yet, but in my laboratories we're developing some very cool stuff. The moonshot platform is very flexible. We have a plurality of processors, architectures, and we do have coming this year, shortly, a ARM server. That's a 64-bit enterprise hardened enterprise ready battle hardened ARM server and that will enter the market and we're very excited to see how the ecosystem gets built around that. In addition, we have a product that employs Intel's Xeon E3 with Iris Pro graphics. They have Xeon cores combined with a GPU, a graphics processor, and it gives tremendous rich experiences, for example, with Adobe Photoshop and applications that require graphics intensity. And the whole idea of taking that desktop experience or the workplace and making it as a service back in the cloud or an on-premise data center, one of the two, is very, very powerful today because of the management and control aspects of it, all the way from security, piracy, and giving the end user a better experience. All right, that's great. Lots of enhancements coming. Customers are looking for a choice. ARM 64-bit, lots of things they're looking at. Want to give you the last word on this. We've got about 200, you know, CIOs and C levels here. What's the biggest opportunity you see out there in the IT market space that CIO should be looking for? Well, the newest opportunity is the old saying, really. It is lowering power, that is electricity bills, and also lowering the space required and simplifying as well. And providing a compute model that does that, and HP today is a matter of fact, talking about our Gen 9, Generation 9 server line, that does all that. It focuses on the compute and gives simplicity, lower power, as well as higher compute value for the dollar as well. All right, well, I appreciate you taking some time. Looking forward to seeing all the speakers here at this show. We will be back with lots more interviews with SiliconANGLE's coverage of all the hottest shows in the Valley and beyond.


The debate rages on which city has the best boba in the entire world? We'll try to figure it out for you. Hey guys, you better remember, Tentu Naita, it comes from Taiwan. So okay, we should be number one. We're talking about this discussion that took place on the boba subreddit. Believe it or not, Andrew, this is a hyperactive subreddit all about boba. People said, listen, so what's the best region in the US or even the entire world for boba? Who has the best boba of all time? This is a valid question. So make sure you like, subscribe, and turn on your notifications because we are going to break it down for you. But I can tell you which region has the best smala sauce. The internet does. Go to SmalaSauce.com or check out our Instagram. I just posted a whole bunch of new chefs that tried smala. They all like it. So anyways, continue. I would say this, you got to look at Taiwan, right? Because if boba comes from Taizong, Taiwan, there's what? But in 2023, I'm not going to say that just because a place invented something, they have the best version because a lot of people prefer New York or American pizza, the top ranked ones over pizza in Italy. I'm not saying that's fully true. I think a lot of things are a matter of preference. But I'm just saying just because you created it, doesn't mean you got the greatest hit. Okay. First of all, before we delve into this, because I think that there is a debate, I do want to focus on the United States just because I do think Taipei probably has an argument for it because they're from Taiwan. It's boba's from Taiwan. I don't, maybe Taizong maybe doesn't even have the best overall boba. They probably have, maybe they have the best milk tea, but maybe not all the different flavors. It depends on what you're defining as the best boba. There's probably more diversity in Taipei than Taizong. There might be more diversity in America. All right, Andrew, what even is boba? Because a lot of people were debating the other day, what is a burger? Because a lot of people are coming out with stuff that's wrapped in a bikini in Australia and whatever. Listen, we got to have some rules here when we talk about stuff, David, or else things are going to get out of hand. So to me a boba shop, this is how you define a boba shop. And this is what I'm judging it on. Not just one, oh, who has the best boba drink of all time. This is one single drink is not enough. Who has the best boba shops of all time in the entire world? What is a boba shop? It is a place that specializes in milk tea and pearls and drinks that are alike that. So milk tea as in there's loose tea leaves that have been brewed to create some sort of liquid that is then mixed with either milk or non-dairy creamer. Right, it can be. And then has pearls thrown into it. Yes, that is the singular drink that every boba shop has to have and specialize in. And their milk tea needs to be good. It doesn't have to be their best drink, but it needs to be a good drink. You're saying just like in the same way a coffee shop needs to have some sort of not necessarily caffeinated drink produced from a coffee bean.  Those are the popping pearls. They don't count. All right, so I don't like how a lot of these spots there. Everybody's judging it on the milk drinks. We're not. These are not Asian milk bars. Okay, I'm talking about boba shops. That's my thing. Okay, you're defining it with the tea. Yeah, a lot of people are going to consider half and half boba, even though it's mostly milk. We're not talking about Asian milk bars with your pandan jelly and your ube cream. And then your salt sea salt foam on top of just whole milk. That's not a boba. Okay. You know, here are the regions in the running, Andrew. The Bay Area, the LA area, the OC area, New York City is on an upward trend. But let's be honest, it's starting way behind on the West Coast on the boba development. Other people said, hey, guys, you guys always forget about Canada in these discussions. Vancouver, specifically Toronto. Toronto is a bigger city. They're going to have a larger markets. Can I tell you this? I think the American market, the American boba shops definitely innovate the most. I've seen the craziest stuff, whether you're talking about urban ritual over in the Bay Area. You're talking about coffee on boba now. You're talking about Bopomal Fall over in LA. Shout out to Phil Wink. And I'll just- Boba guys. Boba guys. They got five seasonal flavors every month. Americanized boba.  Actually, in Asia, they're doing different things as well, but they're different than the American different things. I'll tell you this. The best boba I ever had personally is when we were filming Ronnie Chang Takes Chinatown for Netflix. And we were in Oakland filming at the park. And I got a butterfly pea flower, caramel brown sugar layered boba in Oakland, California. I was shocked as well. Okay. So that's your best singular, your most favorite boba drink. I'm a big fan of the butterfly pea flower, which is a more recent trend because it's a natural blue. Do you have any comment on where your favorite boba was? If I'm just talking about milk tea, I think Xing Fu Tong's milk tea is pretty good. Okay. But my favorite boba drink is a fruit tea, is a Yee Fong fruit tea. That's probably my favorite boba drink of all time. What do you think about some of the Yee Fongs going out of business in the U.S. recently? Well, I think people, they're either not ran well, or I think people, they're not on the fruit tea trend. They don't appreciate it. They don't appreciate fruit tea. They want these dessert drinks. You guys want these high caloric milk drinks where there's a little bit of boba. You're saying something essentially Frappuccinos. You're just talking about these, what is even in these milk, these are not even bobas. Be real. Right, right, right. You took the tea out of boba. Give me tea. It is true that the youth trended against what you like. Give me tea. What are you going to get? You're going to drink 600 calories, no caffeine. What are you going to do after that? They want to drink a nap. Like Steph Curry hitting four threes in a row. You're going to take a nap. They want the drinks that are being banned in Singapore right now. Yeah. Listen, that's a dessert. Just say you like dessert. That's not boba. Let's take a look at new boba trends globally, Andrew. Many boba tea businesses are now offering low sugar or sugar-free versions. Alternative milk options, almond, soy, et cetera, et cetera. That is one of the current trends. Another one of the trends right now, Andrew, bottling the boba in like sealing it, like you pop it open like carbonation to keep it fresh. That is like different types of cans and different types of containers. A lot of people are matching the boba flavor, the pearl flavor with the topping flavor. So for example, at Shing Foo Tong, you can get a strawberry cream boba with maybe with or without tea, but the bobas will be strawberry as well. So it's like matching your laces or matching the air bubble. Strawberry pearls and that. This is like crazy now. A lot of places are like child defined. This is in Roland Heights, Andrew. They're doing coconut avocado strawberry. So typically ingredients, they're working like from the Caribbean, you know, more tropical, incorporating them into the boba world. Andrew, there's ones from different countries. There's now Korean American bubble tea where they're taking the Korean bingre banana milk and making bobas out of that. There's Vietnamese ones where they're doing the mung beans or the rambutan bobas.  There's a chain from Indonesia that is entering the U.S. market called Taeguk that is making chendol, ice chendol bobas. Had that in New York. In Asia, both mainland China and Taiwan, they're putting more like almost like oatmeal kernels or wheat kernels at the bottom. That's always been bing over their multigrain. The multigrain stuff never made it to America. Andrew, here they give you the pearls on the side and you put the pearls in yourself. Almost like a sukkamen, like a dipping pearls. So basically, long story short, there's just a lot of stuff going on in the boba world globally. But of course, we're talking about America. Andrew, somebody said Taiwan got to be the best, but honestly, man, it's just cheaper over there too. So I don't know. Maybe America does do it different. It depends on what flavors you like. Well, I can tell you this. In Taiwan, probably the whole pandan ube wave is not as popular because that's an Asian-American thing. Because it's more Pan-Asian here. Because it's more Pan-Asian. Right. But I'm sure the quality of tea in Taiwan is, by the way, levels beyond. What do you think about places? You know how like the Philly cheesesteak, Andrew, it's so traditional in Philadelphia, they put whiz cheese on it outside of Philadelphia. People don't like that. So it's almost like where something's created, sometimes it stays too traditional. No, it stays in its most purest form usually. Right. But then it's really high quality for the base-level ingredients that they use. Somebody said it got to be the bay area. Andrew, I'm going to go ahead and say this. That's my pick. That's your vote? My pick goes with the bay area. And let me tell you my... All right. First of all, how can you just say bay area? That thing is huge. That's kind of cheating. Give me a city. All right. Not the East Bay. No. Tell me a city. Specifically... Give me one city that we can compare head to head because I got my city. I got my city. I got to pick a city in the bay? Yeah, because you can't say bay area. Then I'll say 626. The cities are pretty small. Then I'm going to say San Gabriel Valley. It's the whole region, bro. The part of the bay area that's right below the SFO airport all the way down to about Sunnyvale. So do you think Bay Area Trump's San Gabriel Valley? All right. I thought a lot about this. And it's because the night clubs in LA are too good. So people got to split their energy between the mixology at the clubs, getting the ABGs, the bottles with models.  But in the bay area, the club nightlife is generally pretty poor. So they're going to take the tech brain, whatever is left over from the work week, and translate that into the boba mixology, urban ritual, amongst other ones. All right. So that's why I'm picking the bay. Okay. Some people were saying, what about places in the OC like Oro Bay, which is a very popular chain in Irvine, Andrew? But they were like, it doesn't have cool containers or cool flavors. Like they're not necessarily doing the tiger striped striations on the side. How much does that matter? Because everybody wants the striations. Let me tell you this, David. And I got a reasoning on why I'm picking my city. Rollin Heights, California. So here's my thing about Rollin Heights. Traditionally, a upper middle class Taiwanese area. So you need Taiwanese for a good boba. I don't care. Diamond bar. I don't care. I'm sorry, everybody else. You need Taiwanese people to demand good boba. They care about it the most. They care about it the most. That's their life source. All right. Now, here's the thing where Rollin Heights is situated. It's situated in the San Gabriel Valley, but West San Gabriel Valley. It brushes up against the 909. It's nearby OC. So you're going to be taking influences from how OC does boba and how 626 does boba. And it converges in Rollin Hacienda Heights area. Okay. So you're saying OC has a little bit more of that like ABDC Asian American vibe and 626 is almost more FOB. It's going to have FOB Taiwanese chains, but it's also going to have your Asian American Pondon avocado ube, sweet salt, on top of each other. Right. That's what I think. So you're saying is just... And Rollin Heights also does have other types of Asians. It has a significant Filipino population nearby. Some Vietnamese, obviously other types of Chinese people. We get that. So there's a lot of Koreans in Rollin too. Yeah. Oh yeah. A lot of Koreans not to discount that. So I think if I have to pick one singular city, I'm just going to go ahead and just say Rollin Heights, Kalimaro. I don't know. Maybe they got it. That's my reasoning. I felt like you made a pretty good case for a singular city. So with that said, I haven't been to Rollin Heights in a while. I just, I just yelped. It's pretty far from my legs. I yelped it and it looks pretty good. Somebody said Toronto. Everybody forgets about Canada. Do you think when it comes to these list people, do count out Toronto? Toronto got some stuff. Toronto, Markham, they got the foods. North York, they got the foods. Toronto, when it comes to overall Chinese food, I think makes a case for itself in North America. It really does. But especially Cantonese food, I think Toronto might have it. But it's very cold up there. And two, there's not enough Taiwanese people, I think for the bow would be top notch. I just think you got to have a good sizable amount of Taiwanese people, man. They care about it the most. They take it the most serious. Dude, they're going to be the harshest judges. Let's be honest. And that's where you're going to get all the traditional Taiwanese chains coming over first. Because Taiwanese people are going to operate them and bring them from Taiwan originally. So then that's going to set this gold standard. So yes, the Bay Area I think has a case, but I think West 626 or 626 in general. Somebody said, how much does it matter whether you buy the pre-dried pearls or you make your own? Because Andrew, there is a chain of 626-1zo. You can see them make taro pearls, various pearls. But other people said, it doesn't even taste any different than them. Xing Fu Tang makes theirs fresh. Is that much better? I think it's a little bit better. You can see them rolling the batter in the dough.  A lot of people are saying, really, ultimately it boils down to what style you like. If you like the traditional style with ultra-high quality 10 out of 10 ingredients, but simple recipes, get Chi Cha San Chen. Yes, that might be the singular best traditional chain. That is really good. It's really good. Or a lot of people like 50 Lan as well, or Koi Plus, those are chains from Taipei. But you know, a lot of people were saying, you know, all the chains are coming over from Taiwan right now, but it really comes down to the execution because some of them, they don't execute their recipes very well. Not every spot is ran the same. We know this. So it doesn't matter on the manager, even Xing Fu Tang, you can have bad managers. Even a Chi Cha San Chen can have bad managers, okay? And then maybe if it's just that one shop, that mom-and-pop shop, where the owner whose life depends on it is making every single drink, the drinks there are probably pretty good too. That's true. Usually when the owner's there, everybody's like on their peas and queues, more so when the owner's gone. They're on the phone. I won't feel weighing making my boba at Ball Paul Mall fall. That's all I'm saying. People trying to make TikToks and stuff when the owner's not there. Urban Ritual does a ton of ube flavors, Andrew. They do matcha toffee. They do creme brulee. These are all based off Western flavors. So a lot of people are just like, if you want Western flavors, you got to go to a Western chain that's going to give you more of that Hershey, Oreo, et cetera, et cetera. That's fair. Chocolate vibe. That's fair. Because in Asia, they don't eat those flavors as much, right? That's fair, man. Yeah? Somebody said do not sleep on Texas. A lot of new Asian-American enclaves are popping up here and it's easier and cheaper to open up a business with better taxes. Okay. So that makes a good argument for running those chains properly. But you got to, you got to, but those chains, you can't run those chains any differently than the chains themselves. So when we're talking about Best Boba, I think that obviously in the areas like 626, Bay Area, they're going to have the cool mom and pop shops. Right. That are like $9 of Boba, to be honest. Yeah. Maybe even 11. It really depends on what add-ons you get. Somebody said, what about Chinatowns? Should they be good at Boba or not? So here's the interesting thing, Andrew. Whatever. Chinatown's not traditionally very Taiwanese. I'm not saying there hasn't always been a Taiwanese element to some Chinatowns, but it's not the majority. Yeah. They're called Chinatowns, not like Taiwan town. Yeah. Like for example, in Manhattan, I'd say there's a lot better Boba by NYU than in Chinatown, actually. Because Chinatown is more canto. Canto is drink price. Price not taken into consideration. Yeah. Yeah. Ultimately, what are you rolling with? You're rolling with rolling heights. I went with the Bay Area. Specifically, I'm going to go ahead and say Cupertino. All right, guys, guys. For the cheapest milk tea, in my opinion, that is really good. Just traditional milk tea with grass jelly or Boba, I think. Actually, Cocos does a really good, cheap one. I like Cocos. You're saying per dollar. That's a chain from Taiwan. That's legit to me. It's still delicious to me. On the higher end, Chi Cha San Chen, I think traditionally. But if you want a milk drink with no tea, something that I would barely consider Boba, then partake in the $8, $9 Asian-American chains. Shout out to them. Those are our friends. They do a great job. Yeah. You're talking about strawberry, vanilla, matcha, right? The triple A's, et cetera. Popo Mofo, the rituals, all those stuff. Watermelon milk at Popo Mofo. That's fine. Yeah. Corn milk. They squeeze their own corn. I've seen that. Anyways, guys, you let us know which city has the best Boba. But really, where was the best Boba you had? I just thought of a crazy collaboration. What if somebody did a collab with Lady M crepe cakes and turned that into a Boba? You'd go against it. Guess what? There is a Prince tea house. They do a milk crepe cake with Boba toppings on it. And it's pretty good. Let us know what you guys think of the comment section below, guys. It's not Boba, man. Are you a traditionalist? Are you more with the new school way that doesn't have any tea in it? How do you define it yourself? Obviously, not a serious topic. But like we said, the market cap in about like 15 years is going to be like $5 billion globally. So it's actually not a small money topic. Stop taking the tea out of Boba, okay? MBTA, make Boba tea again. Let us know what you guys think of the comment section below. Until next time, we're going to hop up. Boys, we out. Peace.


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nine two seven six six four eight give us call folks one notes going on in your world and the world of the s&p's let's take a look at them what do you have well bottom line folks is that you had that huge day yesterday you're pulling back into it now it's intriguing here when we when you pull back and after a day like this is that the you have option expiration so what's happening here simultaneously is that the option market makers are basically trying to get there not just the option market makers people are putting trades on and they're trying to get delta neutral so they got smacked in one way or the other okay that being said um you know we'll see where the shakes out we needed above the benchmarks that's for sure and we're not going to get that today what i do like today okay no i'm going on the aspect that we're still going to get a bounce here what i do like today is this when you have a day like yesterday and then you have continued selling down here today this that's where selling can abate that's that's the bottom line that being said the bottom line though is that you're going to get back inside the range that's that's the number you don't get back inside this range if we don't get back inside this range in a couple days the 262 this thing's going this thing's making the next leg so this is going to be tricky man you know if this makes the next leg without stopping it'll be something else and that that would i'll get to the dollar in a second but that would mean that the dollar actually is going to blow away its swing high and make that run for 121 we take a look at the and the cues and same setup now the cues yesterday had a hard time getting inside it okay they just about did it they close yesterday at uh yesterday they so i have this on a daily what do i have this on right now i get in a weekly hold let me put this on a daily so in the daily yesterday we had the cues close at uh 270 17 and i believe it's 269 that had a close and it did it yeah it was 269 28 so it had done it best guess what but it's not there now and that's the number that has to go inside 269 28 because what you're going to see is that yeah you have a lighter volume we're going to have a volume today of about 70 million probably still going to do 360 on a weekly versus 409 you don't have that rejection though you know oil oil market you can take a look at this oil market bottom line you know this thing more than likely let's see 213 thousand contracts come on give me that volume down there there we go okay so that that's that's you kind of that's light volume that being said though i think this oil is going to come all the way back so you're coming into 303 thousand contracts you get 214 you know it's going to get dangerous here so look at this for a second so the first first time is what 97 91 yeah so this is the oil's in a downtrend man i brought this up yesterday this is you get three higher well you got more than three i mean i can count one two three four five six you get six lower highs and we got one two three four five six lower lows man you know so oil wants a lower price that's that's the bottom line now let's go over the dollar we take a look at the dollar the dollar out here okay so you're up 969 ticks started out the small you can see right right away the you know it's amazing thing here two folks is that uh the dollar started going higher at 915 this morning that's when our futures are actually flat and that's all it takes man the bottom line you know it's the dollar and the bonds that you know are going to direct us where the broad market's going to go so let's go over to the i want to go over to the bonds for a second the 10 year look at this is going to bust through man it saved itself yesterday but the 10 years it right it's right at the benchmark which is one night one 10 19 so that breaks that benchmark it broke it yesterday but came back inside it breaks that benchmark if we go look at how we're set up here with a put this on a weekly let's see how this is setting up right now look at how far you gotta go back home man i'm gonna put it on a monthly this is this has gone down so fast folks that the bottom line dailies and weeklies don't do it look at this almost a monthly doesn't do anything oh my god a 15 year monthly actually doesn't do anything to that chart meaning that you can't look at the left hand side of the chart so we're going to go to 25 years okay oh yeah i can see what's happening yeah we're going lower man this is going to 104 yeah so you're at 110 right now and guess what once you broke the 112 it's like 104 is wide open man that's going back to 2007 that's how this thing seems to be set up so that's going to be no doubt pretty intense um that's for sure uh xle a couple tigers want to take a look at so let's take a look at the xle okay so yesterday we come up with volume couldn't break it 83 71 83 54 stay right there folks who come right back our phone numbers<PHONE_NUMBER> we have 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yesterday pushing into the swing had volume as they're pushing into the swing giving it up today let's put this on a weekly let's see what we got here so 140 million versus 153 versus 127 yeah that's that's not enough so that's telling me it's going to stay in a consolidation see it's going through it's going to try to get through this 244 you know if we look at cvx let me look at a few of those others because i believe the xle i think the it's exon and chevron that almost 50% of the holdings in this thing yeah it is so it's 22 30 to 42 43 yeah so chevron cvx the same chart too man yeah i this man i'd be careful when man that was the energies man my take is that you know those things uh i'm not going higher so if we take a look at let's see what this is this is f i g s okay so this is in the medical they provide healthcare aparel lifestyle brands the low for the year is six dollars 93 cents the highest 43 um i don't quite understand the i gotta look at this for a second oh wow you want to see something wow folks okay so picture this right this is when i just looked at the p e the p is 50 on this thing okay um and i can you know it's like okay you get a you know a scrubs company basically but guess what i mean you look at they must have been buying something or something when you look at the acceleration they're growing by almost 30 percent a year in the united states the rest of the world they probably just started they're growing by 200 percent um the scrub business is 363 million and the non-scrub is 56 okay so let's take a look at this because guess what healthcare and those folks are never going away that's for sure and okay we'll put on a weekly i say okay so six ninety there's not much yet man that's the real bottom line um you know it's getting light of all i must come down to the six ninety you know so this week it got to 720 near 770 i just be careful man that's that's the real bottom line you gotta be pretty careful on that uh there's no there's no doubt about that let's go to earl and seminal hey earl what's going on hi Tommy good to hear from you you too how you been man i'm blessed as a lord yes as uh you know many of us would say we're above ground right yes i like to get your take down inflation is running wild and gold is headed for 1600 i know give me a little take on that listen man i that's about as swapped as you can get i agree you know there's no there's no doubt and you know what does happen yeah but let me put this up here for you because this is gets watch what happens here folks so this will get interesting i'm going to put the uh i'm going to put the continuous shot up and the gold is priced in dollars and u.s. dollars okay so the bottom line is that you know the dollar keeps going up gold keeps going down now that being said watch this when i put this i'm just gonna i'll put this on like a a two-year weekly or something so you can see it what's happening here what i'm going to do right is i'm going to change the currency now this is not going to help you and i earl but i just wanted to see what's happening across the world okay and then if we turn around and we say okay well put that in european terms right what you're going to see is the bottom line is that you know it's not quite the same well right now that would be well the high the all-time high is not let me see some yeah let me make sure it's the all-time high hold on 2011 is probably the all-time high but i want to see if okay well no this is how it shakes out okay so the bottom line you can see this is in europe and this is way over so i all-time high and gold is 2011 right there's there i mean it's working over there you know it's working in other currencies that's the bottom line there you know if we take this watch this if you take this and put it in let's see we'll put it in the pound do the same exercise here you can see look at it you know it's almost it's i mean pound wise it's all the way up there now you know i suspect what will end up happening is that the doll is going to pull back at one point and when that that's what we need that's that's what it comes down to man that's what we need you know so um yeah it's laying there and there's not buyers there's buyers across the world but that's still not enough to get it up where you know you and i and was ever into the metals market thinks it should be you know what i mean yeah meaning a store of value you know is the money flow into bitcoin hurting gold i don't see that but what i do see i was asking jacob about this okay because you know you're seeing jacob on here with best for the few times folks and you know he's he's he's a bright young man um with you know great education and you know he's out with 24 25 year olds all the time right and they don't they are not into gold there's no doubt about that now does that mean less demand i'd say yeah it means less demand but i can also say this is that it really so when there's less demand the price is not going to go as high right that being said i suspect by the time that they end up let's say the younger folk you know not into it and as far as they're concerned it's not you know value i don't think in the aspect that actually we're talking about that that is what's stopping gold i think what's stopping gold was that the dollar is almost at all-time highs you know what i mean if we look at this dollar i started so picture this this is how this is how well yeah well actually this is another way of looking at now watch this so i started the gold report when the dollar was at the 121 and gold was at 282 dollars so there it is right there there's that 120 there's that 120 so it's like to me that's saying it's going to be game now the last time that the dollar was at that gold was only 282 dollars so the low was 250 250 you know so when you're looking at that aspect it's doing what it probably should do meaning that the dollar is just that high but guess what gold is that much higher so we 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think or swim for more information just click the think or swim banner on the front page of tfnn.com welcome back folks to dow dow industrials right now i down 292 nazics off 282 s and p's off 783 let's go to uh keith and see the rapids keith what's going on hey tom good how you doing i'm doing great man right ready for good weekend oh yeah man oh yeah i can't wait um hey listen got a question for you i know you have the option show and all that yes um what i'm trying to do is come up with some strategies to uh protect um downside like all the way down the ladder you know what i mean yep if you go all the way down the chain okay i just don't know much about options so i'm i'm out of my element and i wasn't sure that is that a call-in type thing or yeah yeah well the weekend resource so so you've never traded options right right so when you say you want to protect it you so what happens when you hedge there is definitely a way that you could go delta neutral and what that means is that you have on the left-hand side your balance sheet is what you have okay then and and and just you count right now and then the right hand side what ends up happening is that you're really buying insurance and you're buying insurance for a certain amount of time at a certain price that what would end up happening is that because you own whatever you own the when you go delta neutral the price you pay for that protection would be what it costs you for insurance that whether it went down all went up okay that you would still be at one price that's how that's that's basically how it works okay you know okay so so let me ask you this is yeah this is this is a tough one to answer over the phone anyway but um yeah the you you definitely want to okay so so let me ask you this we look if we look at the s and p right how far do you you want to protect yourself on the s and p well what i was thinking is um kind of like what what you've been saying down 3100 3200 okay i got it yep right um and then if we get a worst-case scenario even further okay you know hopefully these things don't even pay for them you know yeah i'm willing to make sacrifice but the problem is i don't know i'm not educated enough to yeah know what price what do i have to spend to cover so much i'm with you i know i know you know i do why don't you do this just send me an email so send me email it'll be one of tf and n right um and if you can put it put it i need a dollar value to try to just put a dollar value to try to protect okay and i really don't want to this is a tough one man i can show you how to how to you know hedge it but it's like oh i mean i can i could buy inverse etf too you know but i'm trying to think of multiple ways to do this and um the easiest just so you the easiest way to do it is that you just gonna buy protection inside the s and p and see what what's going on today so this is what i think's going on today which is going to be really cool is in the conversation so what happens when you get a huge expansion on the way up right and you can see that we have pressure on the way down today right well i suspect this pressure on the way down is actually people just like yourself and except that most of them are going to be professionals that are protecting the portfolio again and what's happening was that because we got you got the rule happening at all this in the option market is that when let's picture if i'm buying right now if i was buying protection this morning right that's saying the s and p on the ms deck right as soon as i'm buying a put and i'm not talking about a put here watch this we'll bring this up i'll bring this this this up how this works okay so i'm bringing up this the scale okay inside the cues right so let's just say that you know the cues right now are 261 right so what ends up happening let's say that you know you i want to go out to december and say okay i want to protect myself till december well if you go over to the you know basically the 261 area it's going to call well there's not a 261 there's a 260 what would end up happening is it's going to cost me you know 14 uh yeah 1400 per thousand all per thousand shares to protect that um let me show i get that right one second well because that's 14 000 actually it costs me 14 000 to protect 200 it costs 14 000 to protect 261 000 for approximately only 60 days so you can see because the volatility is so high that's pretty expensive man right yeah yep yep exactly and that was the other component you know would volatility being so high am i am i silly to even attempt this you know yes right now yes yeah okay so now let's now let's switch gears now let's switch gears let's say don't we turn around now this is where you're putting up more cash but what you are doing is you're and this is where in the inverse world you can turn around and you're getting a few of those inverse ones right and that what that is doing is that that is delta neutral on it you know close meaning you could do an inverse just a one to one i'm talking not not a two to one okay just a one to one you just you buy the one to one spy you buy the one to one q on the downside and then you add delta neutral right down there you're trying to do about the same mathematically the same amount of bread right that would be the most efficient way of doing it you know but you're gonna you just tell you know you're gonna end up driving yourself like it's pretty intense what you're trying to do no it is no listen it's good it would be it you should learn it anyway but i can just tell you because then what the battle is is this so i supported it you get an update oh should i take it off they put it on take it you know i'm saying i know i know yeah i've been struggling with that i just you know but i feel like i've come to the source you know what i mean yeah i mean i wish i had you know better answers for you um you know you can do it um give me that email anyway okay because i'm let me just i'll think this over we you gotta you know i guess there's there's no way around it right now because the vicks are so high that premium is up there man i mean that was that's that's quite expensive for 60 days do you know what i'm saying i know yeah i get it i know hey i appreciate it i wish i had a better answer for you man have a great one keith you too thanks man let's go to frank and go off to frank what's going on hey how are you Tommy wait a minute i gotta shut you off on this other thing oh i'm doing fine thanks you good man good so we got the kre which is the s and p regional banking etf the low is uh 60 the low is 56 the high 78 and yeah do you want to try that is it what i'm looking at is uh it's been in this downtrend and it's broken the 50% in the 618 yeah the downtrend begin in the middle of august uh yesterday it broke up through it it broke up above ice right today it seemed to come back to ice with lower volume um and the last swing high of october 4th it looks like it's gonna beat that volume of course the price is pulled back so it looks to me like i want to go back to the bottom of the consolidation but what do you think stay right there i like this trade frank yeah this is i'm used to this this etf man this is this is a strong etf man you know stay right there though i you picked it out when you pick see the volume this week richard's last there's no doubt you got body version 35 this one's higher price frank stay right there come right back stay right there folks vista gold owns and operates the largest undeveloped gold project in australia the mount todd gold project vista gold just completed their feasibility study resulting in a seven million ounce gold reserve vista gold has all major permits approved and has retained c i b c capital market assistance in evaluating alternatives and completing an accretive transaction vista gold trades on the ny sc american and tsx under the ticker symbol vgc vista gold executing a strategy to create 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to be transparent about the financial transactions avoid any actual perceived conflict of interest while the bottom line you start reading this yeah he's blaming his um financial advisors but the bottom line what he didn't do i think if he had put it in what he didn't do is put the trades in and he's claiming that he didn't know that he also had to do that we're talking about man frank from uh the glossed and we're talking about banks man we're talking about the kre um i like how it's set up frank because this we know this market is tricky right now man um but i like how this is set up because to me this is saying that yeah it does want to try to make a run up to the the highs of 67 man you know i mean i think so okay yeah i've been clicking through i've been clicking through my list of charts for almost a hundred uh banks that are in this uh kre yes most of them are not inspiring me very much i found one uh cfr that uh i kind of said wow that looks great but in general they all look kind of tepid i don't know yeah i know listen man what what's gonna happen let me just pull this one up here what's it created with oz k is the one this is my bank down here now this this bank here well this is good looking actually that's good so let me just look at this for a second because this okay so check this out frank now this this is oz k right and oz k yeah bank oz k and this looks like it wants higher price man and you know i happen to know this bank i mean i don't you know just because you know they're very aggressive um and that's still that chat's not bad man you know i mean i think these regional banks are gonna do our right they because they don't hold mortgages anymore do you know what i mean they sell well some banks do but if they hold the mortgages like oz k does hold the mortgages but what also happens is that you really have to do business with them and they know everything about you okay when they're holding a mortgage um that's you know that's like when you and i were kids frank do you know what i mean it's it that's a different relationship folks and most times those relationships aren't going to go south because the the bank has themselves actually know where you work you know how much you make and they're just not going through computers you know what i mean so yeah that's what a lot of these look like they look like the oz k's or a little bit worse this one looks pretty good yeah but uh yeah they listen they're all going to meet i mean i'm sure you saw the the interest income that jp morgan made this morning margin income was insane all these banks are going to make huge of you know because they're still not given it deposits any money i look i don't even think i i mean you're talking about pennies right and you know we know that the rates went up i mean you know they're charging more money for everything oh and i got to bring this up stay so check this out folks you know i've been talking about frank mortgages right and the amount of points i happen to see i'm i'm closing a house today someone's buying one of new houses right so i had the settlement last night check this out folks this is rocket mortgage and i this the buyer is a high-end deal period right guess what yeah 1.75 points yeah so you deal and we have some real problems in that mortgage market man i mean that that's amazing so understand how that goes folks 1.75 okay is $1,750 you know bottom up in the line for per $100 i mean per yep that'd be per per per hundred grand um it's big money man it's big money and that's got to be paid upfront folks okay so yeah all right well thank you very kindly okay man you have a great one to say fun frank yeah bye bye the uh let's go to zillo for a second so what's going on with zillo too uh you know zillo is trading in 26 right now they came out with their numbers what do they come on November 2nd they're coming out with their numbers right so with zillo this is going to be interesting let's let's look at this for a second because this is how zillo is going to be the zillo has a new business plan and the business plan that they actually have this ain't going to work either oh my god look at this zillo wants to go all the way go back down to 20 bucks so check it out folks we know yeah that's much of 2020 man so what would happen is that zillo went into the i buying right they've lost the fortune on the i buying business right they they were smart they they listened they they took their cut and that's huge because if we go over to open door watch this we go to open door open door technologies which is still the i buyer they're going to lose so much money they can't see straight that i mean it's going to be the biggest disaster in the world because they didn't get out and that's the last because that's their only plan okay and if you take yeah they're going to go out of business man this is open door this way we went from about 30 dollars there's nothing on the left hand side they're going out of business because this yeah let's look at this quick this is like the same so their revenue yeah 14 billion so pictures this is the way to do this this is pretty cool so they have 14 billion dollars in revenue this year right you could take that 14 billion folks right well let's say they're saying they're going to lose 60 cents i'm going to do the numbers on this quick because i gotta see this because this is right up my alley because i know this business upside down so okay 60 cents so they're saying 60 cents they're they're going to take in 14 point 7 billion okay did i say 60 cents okay lose 60 cents okay so then we got to see how much okay um okay where are you i'm looking for there it is right there 1.5 okay so 1.5 billion no 1.5 million yeah 1.5 no oh okay 628 million sorry here we go sorry this two seconds folks we gotta see this though this is cool well watch watch where i'm gonna go with this okay so come on come on okay so 628 times 0.60 okay it's 373 million and then i'm 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mortgage business heavily so what Zillow is trying to do is this they're gonna have to make it through the next two or three years what they're trying to do is that they're basically they have taken over flat out if there's any rentals in the United States folks Zillow has them all now okay because this is going to be Zillow against all the trial the real estate agents so they have all those for sure and have the in spades they don't have all the sales yet because they have the premium agents we were I paid for being a premium agent for a while wasn't worth it so we get out of that but now what Zillow is doing they're doing an on time the way that they're looking at it is this you go to look and Zillow at the house as you look at the house you're going to have a little clock that's going around when do you want to see this house they they just bought a company called showings okay which all the agents use so now they have that you hit the button bang that opens electronic keys the whole ball of wax you know who's going in then they're going to do the mortgages on top of it great plan on the way up not in a mature market we you know pass the mature market now it's a market that wants lower price but you get the gist of it so Zillow also is going to have some huge problems you know next two or three years they'll make it true and I'm not Zillow Zillow is not going to go out of business they would have been out of business I bet if they didn't get out of that if they didn't get out of that number oh and look at the number look at the number the difference that the next quarter is like you can see how they've been getting out of the business they they they lucked out man the first quarter 4.3 billion last quarter one billion next next quarter 459 million now it's going to be back to advertising they get back to the advertising model guess what they'll do they'll do fine you know always remember folks the back and claw your heart out the bull can run you over and thank god there's always another trade health happens in prosperity have a great weekend folks have a safe weekend come back and visit Tommy Monday morning man I mean this is quite a week man have a great one folks have a safe one well look at them folks