a be an efab movie for sure it will you better bring me i have to say yes i think people want you to be in all of the efab movies at this point what are you laughing at everything that well okay but that's just because they like my laughter right it's because i'm like an easy laugh that's a compliment well it was such a personality oh you lied to me i see so speaking of establishing things right she oops her briefcase clip clasp thing opens up all the papers are on the floor classic now this place she's worked out for a week is it she's she's new um the i think she's new anyway but the there's two guys will posture and they're like loser like oh you think most people in most wick scenarios are more like oh man you know let me help you you know yeah it was kind of at this point when we were watching it that i was sort of getting the impression that men were shit hmm um a pretty lady like her dropping her stuff like that in front of everybody and all these men just walk by you like it's like come on they look right at her too yeah they look right at her they like they give her this just condescending smarmy look like i ain't helping you which is honestly in my experience this is rare this just doesn't happen that much in the way places i've been in if someone drops all this shit like that one of the first things people do is like oh shit do you know had yeah there's somebody there that can see them doing this as well this reminds me of stranger things again wonderful and pure and amazing would come by and help her out you know well that's the thing this is a perfect setup who will come to her aid who do you guys think it'll be it's one the one the random guy oh my god it's oh my goodness thank goodness you are here to save the day she uses her lasso to get all of the papers together and the lasso folds them all and then alphabetizes them in order of well the alphabet and then she packs them on to the suitcase and the lasso closes it and locks it down and resets the combination and then tells her what the new combination is because it's really good as a kiss it is hard not to look at this scene in the same way that spider-man picks up Max's blueprints and adds them to it but then Max looks at spider-man like wow you're awesome thank you it's almost like the exact same thing yeah um which is funny because i don't know if any anyone called didn't catch it but on twitter someone was like stop giving these roles to women and start giving them to bed to show bed how shitty it is like men have had these roles for ages that stupid nerdy annoying character who then gets given one small break by someone then becomes a villain it's like the first thing i went to was edward nigma from batman oh yeah edward nigma he's a perfect example yeah he is this character yep um and then max is obviously perfect but uh iron man three uh what the hell was his name old rich kill killian oh one and old rich killian old rich killian wow old rich killian yikes yeah right that's a pretty neat villain name right this is all this is also about the time that we start to get into this movie starts to feel like a ghost busters 2016 i haven't seen that i was really getting those vibes from watching this is because of christmas because yeah because it has kind of like an improv quality to it like an abundance of um with the way they try to be with it with i don't know it's hard to put my finger on it but with the like the the men are kind of lame and nerdy women and but they're great and that sort of thing it just it was giving me those vibes i don't know if i could put a specific finger on what it was just a whole aura of the movie um especially after the intros started to just make me feel like um i was watching a ghost busters ask movie um i actually have that trip for you right now rags oh my god what trope the ghost busters trope what is this the women are wiser women are wiser what was the reference just because i think i'm gonna miss it for this film i mean well i mean uh i don't know what do you mean i mean i was just going off of what you were just saying there rags unless i'm uh miss hearing what you're talking about well you get the vibes of the way that the characters talk and interact and how they have women behave and how they have men behave it all sort of just mixes together with this whimsical office office quality to office space quality to it that made made me think of ghost busters 2016 someone said it's like there's too much comedy injected into it like an artificial level of comedy uh in bad company someone said earlier that uh but rag she's nerdy so not hot once she stops being a nerd she's suddenly hot and everyone likes her no guys have ever liked to clutch the nerdy women not once not one time no yeah i don't like that weird trope oh she doesn't have glasses anymore therefore she's hot oh she's hot i can't that's so that much like the security camera thing is this thing that i thought we would never do again but we are we're still doing yeah yeah this is a certain that reality is just different than what it is like oh yeah no no chick would ever go out with her or help her because she's got glasses on because it's not the big like they're not touching the freak she keeps that yeah she keeps the shirt she just takes the glasses off and takes her skirt off so she's just wearing what leggings or something and everyone's like whoa hey damn girl who is this person we're the tighter clothes oh she's not wearing makeup on her face as if no man could possibly tell what kind of body she might be sporting if she's wearing baggy clothes therefore unattractive it's like i don't think that's how that works okay no she never would because she's amazing but if she did then oh yeah she would uh yeah all the guys would be helping her because she doesn't have glasses on is this what patty jenkins thinks men think like i have to wonder that might you do have to wonder i mean i just basic humans oh right and she looks at uh his shoes of while we were recording this like wait that's not going to be the pry before she becomes cheetah right the leopard print on his shoes like why is that even there is it just a foreshadow i guess oh my god that's what it is oh my gracious film is way ever than i thought it would be that's what i mean it's it's embarrassing either way like oh look at how clever we are she's got leopard print shoes you're like okay what did you think you were achieving when you did that i don't know wow that's terrible i mean it you're not saying that that's uh barbara that's got the leopard print shoes right no no it's wonder woman is diane right diana but the fact that she has them i think i think it's related to this i think it's related to this flawed perception of men in the 80s in particular like i was gonna say earlier that stranger things did the same thing where you had the corporate guys who were such fucking assholes all of them i can't remember what season it was maybe season three where uh yeah the she's working in the office or whatever and i think gary buzy is one of the guys who's working in the building and they're all it's like a big boys club where they're constantly like mocking the woman for being a woman and it's just so cartoonish right um i'm gonna i'm gonna call it fair i'm gonna leave for a while do some family stuff for new years and then i'll be uh and i'll be back in a while after that very well cool man yeah see you're on mr rager catch later rags yeah i'll see y'all in a bit tuteloo enjoy discussing wonder woman it's amazing i love it every second it's an adventure so uh yeah till then see you happy new year rags happy new year later rags happy new year happy new year can someone send me that screenshot for research what the the leopard print shoes wait which screenshot i'm kidding i'm kidding oh i think because i was like you can just grab it yourself you know get light shot everyone should get light shot anyone who does not have light shot should get light shot there you go that was a promo for light shot i'm not paid by them what is light shot i don't know what that is so it's uh it like replaces your print screen and it lets you uh i will demonstrate it right now so oh no i've seen you do it where you can crop a section of the monitor right yeah it's pretty cool that's what you were doing you get you get a little pen you get draw straight lines you get draw arrows you get draw squares oh you get highlights so if i want to highlight she's wearing glasses here so ugly make sure we got that um there's even a bat because obviously i didn't do that very well this time i did though that's much better and um yeah then different forms of saving and um i can just temporary copy and temporary paste and it's a super useful tool i recommend everyone get it that's cool uh speaking of modern art look at that um so i guess we're at the point now because my memory gets a little bit hazy in this part of the film so anybody with any thoughts you want to share go right ahead um keep an eye on the suitcase in the scene by the way because the paper's sticking out of it change from shot to shot well is that a problem cj yes how do you know it's not a magic suitcase a briefcase because it's not been established it's a magic suitcase you're supposed to pretend that it is but in the comics in the comics they have fun in the comics no that means it's fine well it's in the comics so it's accurate according to the official merchandise of this movie the briefcase actually is magical uh yeah it shows up in Wonder Woman uh issue uh 27 it's everything everything is magical if you believe it is yeah honestly that's the real theme of this movie um i'm blanking a little bit it's like they they talk and then and then we basically i'm just trying to get to the part where they get the the monkey's paw and uh she manages to read the inscription which there's something about a wish on there right which prompts them to try wishing with it i'm uh i'm gonna take this opportunity to bow out now uh before the discussion goes any further because as fun as this is i've had enough of this movie for one night it's just it's just too stupid i hate this movie so much not even like not even a sixth through it and you're already dead damn see all that this is what i wanted to address the big good thing first because i reckon everyone who is leaving is missing out on the biggest point you can shout whatever whatever you have to say about the big thing just assume i agree because i hate the big thing too oh i want to see your reaction so i've already i've already seen this movie i know it's total dog shit but yeah the big thing is bad um but i'll let i'll let you guys suffer through it because i've had enough i i need a stiff drink and to regain some faith in humanity um if if an hour passes and you want to talk about it again we'll probably still be here or whatever completely up to you but uh thanks for jumping in no yeah thanks for having me on guys uh nice to meet you whoever i haven't met yet um howdy you too man happy new year nice to you again anybody else happy new year guys uh enjoy this train wreck bye boy the dog what a bigot good riddance i'm tired of the the hatred i think it's it's getting upsetting like oh it's so bad i had to leave it's like that's ridiculous and i really do like the idea that he has nowhere to be and nothing to do he's just sick of this movie i mean honestly we're not even close to the insanity this movie offers like this it's particularly intense uh so yeah they read the inscription and um they both wish for for something each uh in in barbara's case she wants to be like diana and in diana's case she wants steve trevor to i don't think we get the wording right she just she's silent when she wishes for it if she doesn't actually make a what's it's a telepathic monkey spa way because later like people need to say it out loud for sure right um well that's that's one of wonder woman's powers she's able to make wishes silently please tell me this wish granting device doesn't just fucking come out of the ether and is not somehow tied to like the dc like well it's like does it is it does it originate from the amazonian world somehow it is apparently uh the gods had items of import in the world the the lasso of truth is one of them and this thing is apparently one of them too uh okay i have a lot of waldemarts horcruxes i don't know what this one like i don't know how it works at all like what yeah a trickster gods you get one wish do you get infinite wishes do you have to say the wish out loud one does the stone decide like does it fill in the blanks if you're really vague in your wish does it have creative license over your wish who knows i wish to wish with no what about wishing for and just just no um fuck the consequences like i i wish for my wish to come with absolutely nothing that i am not happy with you know like a little thing is like yeah it initially have a really long run-on sentence is that one wish or does it like you know like i wish for this comma and also this is part of that original wish it's all one thing well i know i think there are some people in the movie who do wish for multiple things like that yeah cheetah barber does barber cheetah whatever name is oh you're talking about how she wishes not only to be like diana but to eventually be really powerful and apex predator yeah she gets two wishes but that wasn't that wasn't a wish granted by the guy yeah it seemed to be granted by his so so that's the thing about these mechanics that we're gonna have to wrestle over as we go through because they're so strange it seems when max well is is is getting wishes done that he gets to grant his own wish as a result that relates to taking something from the person almost like a monkey pulls gets to um delegate a payment that he'll take in response to the wish and he uses that to provide cheetah with her wish yeah he gives a payment from other wishes which other wish is that payment for one of the random wishes that come through that's so goddamn stupid yep it's all incredibly strange it seems like a very lazy plot device on the part of the screen writer is that excuse to bring back we will talk about it deeper in there but it's like he had to take something specifically that someone had like he'll take their health so i'm wondering who the hell did he take the um cheetah furthing from to give to the cheetah like right it was shown he had to take something to give something if it wasn't a wish and and she gets very well he made that he made that wall out of nowhere i don't think he took a wall from somewhere else so i think he designed the cheetah suit in his head i didn't give it to her i mean is it a suit or does she become like a hybrid no she becomes yeah yeah it's 100 but the thing is that could have happened if it was a wish for her to become the apex predator but she doesn't doesn't wish for it she says she wants to be an apex predator and then maxwell uses the mechanic of being able to take a payment for a wish to give her the apex okay okay okay what if a cat was watching and ah the cat made a wish that could do it that made a wish i mean if she can make a wish silently without saying a thing right then perhaps the cat was looking at it going man i could use a mouse right about now and it happened and that's how you know we got cheetah out of it you got it i think that's the cat the cat made a wish must i mean it's it is as logical as everything else yes it lines up real well uh so then random dude is like let me test it i wish for a coffee and then he's like lol that's stupid and then walks away and someone's like hey dude here's a coffee and he's like oh neat and he doesn't think twice about what just happened he's just like whatever but obviously our two characters that's enough to convince them they're like shit and so they're gonna have been a really funny like rewrite of this movie instead of max lord stealing it it's this coffee guy who comes in at night and but you can only have one wish per person so he's already used his coffee wish you're not going to account for that major plot hole correct wow see it seems like because when Maxwell has the wish mechanic he needs them to say it for it to take effect yeah like there's even one point where they say i want this like well you need a wish for it or do you wish for this and if they say yes bang is confirmed so it's pretty strong that there has to be a like an actual voicing of a wish or not only that you're right but not only that at one point his son tries to make a wish later and he's like oh no no no stop it but like he had already said the wish he just chooses to not grant it even though it was said out loud so no he wasn't touching him then so they have to touch him and so when the sun doesn't touch anyone in the last half of the i know that's where i know you're wrong they specifically say the word touch and that's enough they say with the the technology they have the touches involved through particles yeah so the light the light trying to try and nitpick when they were explicit explained it fully particles and touching god well if if the light from the screen is enough to touch them then the light from him in the room is enough to touch him yeah of course i mean it totally doesn't make sense but that's what they'll try to say is that the sun was about to make a wish but then he pushed away so it wasn't touching so the wish didn't stick and i'm not touching you yep yeah and then and then he was touching him when he says i want you to be great as well daddy or something like that and then that was his wish because the wind blew he was like oh well there there which is something we will need to to make sure we've made clear to people as we go forward with different things but when you wish a wind blows at you yes weird but you get a little gust of wind okay that will be important for the finale because it does mechanically come in i like anybody who doesn't know this story hearing that you'll be like what do you mean it's like oh you wait and so uh yeah i think this is seen mostly ends and uh i think it's just the Maxwell Lord ends up donating a portion of money to the this this group of people's stuff because he is that he wants to get that monkey sport right that's his goal does anyone know how he found out about it well just just uh research he has papers on it just like he reasons just yeah just found out he got some people did did some archaeology somewhere and they found it just don't know it but he does does this wish granting relic have like a comic book origin in the dc comics apparently Maxwell Lord's powers are not the same as in this film he's a telepathic person in in the comics okay i assume that most of this is made up right you can't even blame the comics rules make up to because it's like it's such a like they're basically making them into a genie which will make a story center around him a little bit harder to write when factoring in all of these various little rules and uh it seems like it was a very arbitrary decision to make their job a lot harder than it could have been it feels too built around the idea of bringing back Chris pine because they killed him off in the first movie it's like oh shit how do we bring him back like we shouldn't we need an actor yeah it's definitely what i know this thing that grants wishes you're right um and yeah so the watch that he'd given given here in the last film starts to wobble uh i don't know what they're implying is the watch is he about to reform with the watch odd because for some reason the watch simply works when his life essence is back on earth somewhere it's a metaphor guys you take me too seriously i just want to know what they would try to tell me that's all geez um so then we have this incredibly poorly written oh god like i miss good dialogue i really do um if i remember correctly because we made fun of this in the fringy fat movies it's basically these two are out together it's like neat uh then it was like do you come out much and dan is like no and she's like wow you're really hot though like that's that's essentially like how how the conversation you're like okay and then um uh they get on to the like they're trying to get them on to the topic of here talking about how she once fell in love and stuff it's incredibly clunky and um do they have a prior relationship or are they just friends now because she helped her pick up her papers i can't remember maybe at best they were like co-worker acquaintances they'd seen each other around but this is definitely the closest they've ever been before gal Gadot is really right it was like pity she felt bad and was like sure i'll go out to lunch with you sure i'll have a drink with the weird kid so it's it's charity okay and yeah kind of just waiting for the scene to end there's a lot of that in this film uh i think a lot of people felt that way um everything to do with have you ever been in love okay uh i thought you were asking mauler uh if you guys have a like watched a movie and thought the protagonist's plot line could be removed and the film would be better because that's how i felt in 184 if it was just about max well i feel like this film would have been a lot better max well this could have been like a 90s sort of like business dad doesn't spend enough time with his kid and kid wishes he'd spend more time with him or whatever you know that kind of movie it's funny because uh that's like the premise of of um like liar liar i think or maybe uh it's been awesome i've seen that movie but like a kid wishes that his dad will like stop lying i guess yeah yeah yeah and what's hilarious to me is that in that movie the the kid's name is max damn he ripped it off kind of they were inspired let's just put it that way but yeah you uh both the one woman i don't hesitate to call anything about this movie inspired but you know that's just mean you just hate you hate not only women probably men too you're just a big ol hater because because max well storyline it's beautiful in this okay honestly it kind of is well we'll talk a little bit about what i don't know shout did you feel anything about max well was working for you because we thought there was some stuff there i mean i i think the actor committed to the role and um he like it's interesting how over the top acting can sometimes sell and then sometimes not work i think his over the top actually sold a bit like made it work um and that was a little that was a little surprising um his motivation it worked and i wasn't sure if that was the corruption of the stone working on him or not where you know he wanted to be rich and have all the oil but when he becomes the stone is like wanting every wanting to grant everyone's wishes almost uncontrollably and i was like is yeah like a desire to grant wishes yeah it's like okay and yeah you're right because it doesn't make a lot of sense especially remember the one guy who was like oh i asked for a farm but i didn't ask for what what could he possibly why would he have stopped there at that moment to say hey you you need a farm don't you well it makes no sense like i wished for for a farm you know you saw it seems that he had as if the the stone itself had a innate desire to grant wishes it transferred to him when he became the stone um sure but i didn't see that that's the thing it was confusing so anyway christin wigs heading home and she's really nice to a hobo guy that'll pay off later i guess um when she's mean in front of him because that's writing uh and then she keeps on walking and unfortunately for her there is a sexual predator on the loose always you know seems like they're everywhere apparently and i'm not saying they don't exist i'm just saying their representation in film seems to be very unbalanced and yeah what is what is she especially the god what does she say to the hobo guy i don't know she gives me food yeah oh she does okay some of that i thought she told him to fuck off or something yeah this guy gets real real touchy feely real quick and uh of course as you do looking grim for our hero what will happen then through the power of editing he's kind of gone and she nearly falls but wonder woman catches her like huh what is happening here what is going on on and of course it would seem that wonder woman threw him across the room and grabbed Barbara i guess across the area i don't know oh wow we've defeated sexual harassment i guess for now and uh yeah and she's like weird i don't know and i don't understand why she would do why wouldn't she have just helped her and disappeared so that she wouldn't uh incriminate herself in terms of like who who's this vigilante because it's like it's obviously you but secondly why not just turn up as you you don't need to be wonder woman you just be like hey stop doing that and the guy would like oh shit another woman i feel like right away the antagonist would have been a lot more interesting if she was portrayed as like a competent professional refined employee who like succumbs to like the power of whatever it is that the relic grants her right rather than just being as pathetic as possible to maximize the arc of like you know she's this clumsy you know just pathetic character who nobody respects to this like super villain character i feel like yeah that was just i feel like i've seen this character before again and again well okay but the thing is that her arc stops halfway through and then they just completely ignore the rest of it she disappears for most of the film and then comes back at the end so like right there could be an arc there i actually and i know that this may be something that sounds controversial in this uh this but i would have liked to see more of her story i think that there is a potential character in her i think that she could have a cool arc um where she she you know like goes through all these things but they don't show that at all they take the cool sections that could be there and they just throw them the fuck out and then focus on the weird shit and that's going on in some other storyline despite spending so long with her in this film um it's really bare bones like uh look at her falling over look at her having no luck with man look at her feeling ugly look at her feeling uncomfortable look at her getting harassed and then the reverse happens when she gets her powers like now look at her people are watching her she moves by now she's pretty i don't know uh like she's really strong um he's also agile to a degree until when she and then she becomes a cheater also i just wanted to highlight the fact that one woman just like walks away without doing anything about the guy that like attempted to rape Barbara it's confusing it's like is he okay like i know that what he was doing was was wrong is he dead it's like no he'll be back later in the film for really awesome payoff can't wait to get there uh yeah round two let's start apprehending him or anything like that what that guy was doing was really bad of course i mean was he trying to rape her though i don't know this scene is obviously a little ambiguous as to what would have happened had uh one woman not gotten there in time though whatever he did up to that point doesn't in him the the death penalty i assume so maybe if you could just see if he's okay i don't know well she's obviously i'm gonna say that wonder woman is all right with sexual harassment because she watched it when the uh briefcase was knocked over she just stood there and watched she didn't stand up to anybody she's not like making her workplace better well she's fine the ultimate criticism also uh does the scene imply that the guy's also like drunk out of his mind i don't know that's excusing what he's doing but maybe yeah uh he seems to be constantly drunk i think this is like it's a personality so um she just takes off her clothes and and and then removes she doesn't remove the glasses yet directly after her wish so she wishes to be like she wishes goes to sleep wakes up and now we're at that point yeah so um yeah she she keeps on her baggy top that just takes off her skirt and she's wearing her leggings underneath and now she's attractive she's agile and to a degree like lucky now too it's like oh things have changed this a lot of type things are getting different and look at look at it wearing things that uh accentuate her body now immediately too wow how life is changing for her thanks to that monkey's paw it feels so generic doesn't it it's like oh oh look guy who used to be mean to her is like whoa you're like attractive anymore boxes to take guys shallow babies first hey look at you the way they do it it's so bad it's so i hate this guy he had i hate the guy because he had a pop collar i i just don't like pop collars there's a scene where he has two pop collars oh fuck pop oh my god i think it comes up later there's a pink shirt and a white shirt that both have pop collars i remember that the doucheiest of all plays the duel and then pop collar then we get Maxwell lord he is introduced uh uh and i guess it's here to carry the movie yeah let's make sure yeah Pedro Pascal is actually like acting in this film it's pretty cool compared to Mandalorian like in this he's doing all kinds of emotions and he's playing a character with many layers it was neat to see he's honestly the main thing that i found entertaining and engaging about this film uh and so you immediately get this blast of he's well known he's rich he's charismatic and uh he's he's obviously the the person that is going to be helping fund them but his ulterior motive is to get at the monkey's paw um i don't honestly like the scene where they just meet up that's pretty much that uh the only thing to probably highlight is the i don't know that everybody's really happy and paying attention to uh Barbara now Kristen wig is more popular how terrifying and you got suspicious i suppose this is a good time as any to mention the fact that uh max lord is the best part of this movie and steve forever being the best part of the original the first wonder woman means that the best part of the wonder woman movies are the men damn there's that um maybe not the best if you're like trying to go for a female empowerment sort of movie that the most interesting and compelling characters are the men but also dude the part with all man has to convince the woman to let him go like not that empowering for her i'd say that um it's only a natural consequence of having much better actors playing the male characters and also giving them like actual material to work with as opposed to what they do with diana yeah well that's a big part of it yeah if wonder woman was as charismatic as peter baskell is in this movie it'd uh it'd be a lot better for sure well hey she worked she went to that one child okay did we talk about how diana just hated this guy for no apparent reason she just walked in and was like suss on him she can tell bad character you know like like evil people just by looking at them because she's perfect must and also um the other lady she was fully into him they would say like they were building chemistry and then wonder woman comes in and basically cuts her off like you could you suggest suggesting that she is a chemistry black hole what are you what how dare you but even even in the dialogue right they're they're talking and then she which really kind of cuts off says shouldn't you get back to work now like she's trying to it's like here's a girl who doesn't get a lot of interaction with men and you know and uh and it looks like she's getting somewhere with someone now then wonder woman just says all right enough of this okay that didn't seem too nice so max when he's coming into his building is like the payoff is going to be what we learn about uh is monetary state but uh it was just funny that like one of his secretaries it's like oh no i just missed you before i could tell you something really important it's like couldn't be that important you had a really long time to tell him as he was moving through the whole building but okay um and they do a quick there's a magazine about the king of crude oil i guess and the obviously we know that he's supposed to be that and he's looking really sad this is way better than what they did with christin wig already it's like wait you just showed him to be really confident and uh charismatic and everyone knows him yet he's really annoyed and arguably sad in this elevator while looking at a magazine it's like hmm i wonder what's going on he's looking at all these past due bills like i understand now and then you get the big visual of his office is essentially being cleared out there's nobody really there and it's all a mess like it's all a show he's not just one-dimensional evil corporate guy that he actually is well rounded that's what i mean he's uh it's not too bad yeah and his son is here which is awkward and that's what the secretary is trying to tell him is that this was his weekend or whatever to take care of the sun and he doesn't want the sun to see this obviously because maybe it is there oh yeah it's old baby but um i feel like in a matter of 30 seconds we've got the premise of this character now it's all sorted and the main they did it really well yeah i feel i mean just compared to the christin wig one which is embarrassing but this one is like i see okay all right cool i'm interested let's see where he goes and the um i like that his major thing is that he wants to look impressive and great to his son rather than just i want power or something like that um he wants us on to think of him as successful that's that's neat we can you know we can go places with that and i think at this point when we were watching it we were like oh shit this is like a scene that's interesting we had that like we had that like we were watching with quiet investment as you would put it and yeah he's trying to explain to his son that like things are chill it's fine stop so we're in but there's a there's a dude in the room one of his investors who is tired of his bullshit and um what's interesting at this point is we weren't sure if he was genuine or not max well as in like if he was tricking his investors because he knew that the company was a disaster or if he believed that he really could succeed and i think at this point it is that he believes it and this ties into that opening scene you see he should accept that he's only ever gonna make it through evil means and that his position right now is loss you know stop wishing for things to be better guys evil wishes are for liars the truth will set you free and yeah the the investor basically just tells him fuck you uh and i think it the scene ends with him trying to balance in you know reassuring his son with anger that everything is falling apart and again Pedro Pascal has to act it's pretty cool i don't know if you guys have seen that before you know acting i mean it's refreshing yeah i i loved him in arcos especially yeah he was great in arcos i hear that well he was fucking i thought he was great in Game of Thrones i just don't get why um he was yeah what they did with him in mando he he doesn't really do anything now he's wasted in mando i agree because people people say like he's got the helmet on it's like yeah but he still has a voice you can do a lot with a voice yeah he does a lot with his voice in this movie that's for sure and a lot of people i've heard describe him as over the top in this movie and i like i can get that but he's the only interesting character so i don't know there's a weird thing between like obviously he's a little bit cartoonish in the way he um not in his character but like his mannerisms and behavior he's kind of over the top but at least it's interesting you know at least it's compelling to watch it's like it's not the same sort of energy but it's like jack Nicholson the shining i mean i can believe some people this character in the 80s trying to follow that american dream and just not quite getting it and trying to impress i can believe he's a he's a larger than life character as they call it yeah over the top do exist where they're even their expressions are overly exaggerated for effect like this might not be the best example it's the other one because of why if you have a look at some of the um footage of musselini and the way he acted and the posed and stuff in when he was talking it's like he's a caricature it's like what he really acted like that and he really did wow and so there are people who exaggerate their expressions to almost a unrealistic way in the real world and so yeah he's and he's super compelling in this movie you just kind of like stare at him in silence the whole time like there's all this crazy nonsense happening but whenever he's on screen you're like oh you just shut up and pay attention it's great well we were way more excited to see his scenes than any other character oh yeah the the role that he's playing in Mandalorian strikes me as a very like the most uncompelling role for an action that you could possibly imagine just because like he's supposed to be a very like monotone unemotional character and not only that but he's constantly wearing a fucking helmet like there's no rage you can't you can't show off at all like your acting ability it's just like put on the suit do the action do the thing like there's just no dimensionality to it also hi rex i guess you only take a role like that because it's star wars yeah sorry rex hey but so no it's fine i just gotta uh buy a little bit of a change of plans it's it's raining here and my car's windshield wipers are not working so i'll add that to the pile of the to the pile of things in my life i gotta take care of but that means i can't make this trip so here i am however fortuitously we're on my my favorite scene in Wonder Woman 84 this is uh this is the best one i don't think he's being sarcastic everyone i think he's been serious no i am yeah i am i i'm i'm being completely 100 in earnest here yeah this is i think the best scene in the film though i think it's very closely tied with another scene with these characters in this location that happens later yes but this is where we were legitimately like became interested and invested in a character in what they cared about talk about confusion in terms of like oh i'm ready to just laugh at this film and then this film presents this and you're okay hmm all right if that's what we want to do yeah uh we were super interested to see where this goes unfortunately they completely squander this idea in concept and characters but man for a moment they had us and every time you're interested in Maxwell cut back to Wonder Woman you're like no Wonder Woman shit yeah i wonder what's gonna be in this movie about Wonder Woman yeah i think i feel like she brings Wonder Woman down and if we can just get rid of the Wonder Woman element these films will be great make it yeah Maxwell 84 so we've sort of been calling it because she's just like a personality black hole and there's nothing you could get from her it's all just there's nothing her face is constantly blank her delivery is horrible and then you have that compared to Maxwell and Pedro acting and you're like damn it's like night and day i don't give a shit about Diana and her character we could call it that but man it's just she's so shit in her own movie it is such a shame they did nothing with her so i'm gonna do the best i can to explain what happens next because i get lost to myself so she wants to find the uh the monkey's paw and she finds um the receipt at the bottom of it for it being sold to max lord presumably or is this Maxwell provided it so i think max bought it on the black market through the internet and they and the uh you know black market dealers say okay sold to max lord and they were gonna get ready to ship it out to him before the robbers came in and stuffed everything up right and so it's in here which means this gives one woman the lead to go to she goes to a party is it at his house well this is the weird thing right so i'm assuming she thinks max took it because it's not there but in reality it's in the other lady's office yeah so she just asked around the office a bit more she would have found it but she doesn't mm-hmm yeah and it's really hard but yeah back to christin wig this is this is the film it goes max all the way like ooh what a woman oh christin wig oh my god you're in the film yeah okay this film is a roller coaster of disappointment in hope yeah it's it really tricks you so here she is super hot christin wig they removed her glasses and look at the one does it did she's almost a completely transformed person and you're just sitting there like huh oh my god even the much different she's wearing something tight exactly she was doing that the last time we saw her her legs anyway like it's and look at this woman it's like whoa that was improvisation is she even the chick who works here he's looking in multiple directions at one time even she can tell that this chick is whoa smoking smoking like i i work here can i just say i don't really you don't really what is she is she paranormal influenced at this point can i just say she's not really hot i'm sorry i don't find christin wig hot i'm sorry the character in so many is that why no it's because her arc would work if she actually became hot and she's not hot so it doesn't really work for me i'm just i just putting it out there i don't understand she took her glasses off though because she didn't become hot but she was always attractive oh wait is he saying he's saying she's ugly oh i don't find her no i just don't find her attractive so i i'm not buying all of this happening this i mean it's why i'm trying to find it if you find chris other people can find her attractive i start you got choppy right rags i'm sorry single force not helping us right no no no well like but everyone you could see why people would find her attractive right yeah i mean it doesn't do it for me but i could see that yeah i think she's attractive if i have you know no three wishes but pretty good i'm just curious if this has anything to do with the relic or if she's just trying a new outfit out right now oh well so there is an element of does it just make people attracted to it because of as part of the thing i would assume there's a supernatural allure happening because of the wish right that's my take yeah probably um so yeah it's just it's just bizarre to watch because you're like but all she did was take the glasses off though and it's like no it's just bizarre yeah if all it if all she needed to do was a makeover did you really need the relic that's the lesson she has to learn right so the relic also like influences people to like be enamored with her right i think so i see so that's also an element of it yeah just translate a lot of things translate weird in this film in terms of just what's happening right now oh yeah we had a huge misunderstanding about like diana's powers and everything until like the end i don't know we're probably still at that point pretending like everything's been made clear so yeah christin wig and gal Gadot turn up to this place this place is also the place in which christin wig gives up here or max well gets the monkeys force so it's it's the office still right yeah what are they already at the office or do they leave to go to the office in this scene they i assume it's like the same building right it's just a little in a large building yeah it's the smithsonian i think yeah okay they have a big place and there's a lot of buildings in the smithsonian and you can walk from one to the other just want to make sure because i couldn't tell if she's trying to get to max to find out if he's got the monkeys poor that's what wonder woman's doing meanwhile christin wig is just because she's attractive slash he wants to get to her office i can't remember if he finds out more like he wants to get into her orifice which one funny hey any holes ago no that made me giggle yeah creating the nose i mean nose no i need a hole maybe some of that maybe that's what the weird monkeys paw rock power was like i'm gonna take away all of your normal fetishes give you these fucking weird ones it's all that's left that is a that's a strong meme right there we're too spicy to suckle oh my goodness you know dick suckle does a lot of hard work and i think we should appreciate it he work he does work hard i will say that um and yeah so they they get close real fast and through the seduction max well provides he sneaks the uh the monkeys poor which is weird because he probably could just get it himself anyway couldn't he just walk to there i don't know it's a weird scene because it's just like why did you do all of this to get it you could have just gotten it yeah it was the door also where did he put it uh in its pocket you i'm talking about a hole rags um i guess yeah because they they go to our office and i think they're gonna just just do the do and he sneakily grabs it do the do it's the it's the monetizable way of saying they fuck but they don't actually or at least i don't know i don't know they're not going to show that on wonder woman when he grabs the thing so after there's a there's a joke in here somewhere i'm trying desperately to form it perhaps her thing oh no no rocks i i'm getting their rocks off some yeah i'm trying to try to i'm trying to work it into the narrative in some seamless way which i've already clearly abandoned but we're just gonna have to chop this one up though it wasn't meant to be um so that's yeah that's his plot line meanwhile wonder woman still not entirely clear of what her goal is she's sort of just walking around and then nerdy guy is like hello and she's like ew i am leagues ahead of you therefore you're insulting me yeah diana's an asshole she wasn't the first one too because like when she first meets steve trevor she's all friendly and smiles and then when that guy the um the guy that's part of their team i think he's the indian or something who is that guy oh yeah Turkish or something the act yeah the guy oh my god you're the most beautiful woman i've ever seen and she's like yeah okay gross like she's so rude i wonder if that's the influence from the writer where she's like isn't it annoying being an awesome hot woman when guys try to go out with you it's like uh oh yeah that must be or it must be really tough what a what a hard life you know they won't complain but it's like it's a steve trevor type though they'll be like oh that's chill that's cool yeah okay speaking of um oh introducing guy we have guy and it's a little confused officially hey why who's this guy and he says a thing this is a thing that's like only someone steve would say so it's like whoa and after she's addicted to this dude yeah because she's addicted to everybody and by the way her mission is completely stunted by this she doesn't even continue it right she just hangs out with him uh of course she's missed him for yeah that's true it's fine choosing love over duty that's the that's the thematic undertone yeah she's she's been missing him for 65 years so a little bit strange for anybody watching this because you're just like first of all steve's back somehow but he's in this body question mark and the camera does a little spin around until uh some poor innocent guy's body that's that's the first thing we need so yeah i'm just getting the shot there you go yeah and around that is steve right there and so for the for the chat might be confused nobody sees him as chris pine we do because of course we that's just making it easier for filming i guess everyone sees him as other guy um but what the fuck really but chris pine yeah and what's worse is that this is so poorly communicated to the viewer it is really badly they have to have a yeah we didn't know what at first that this is the way things were however they have to devote a part of another scene later on to him standing in front of a mirror just to cement the fact for the audience that he doesn't look like this to anybody except for wonder woman because they just nailed the delivery here and it's so clear do you want to take the implications of this but also she says that whatever i look at you i just see you know steve right implying that this is she's just doing it in her own imagination when she actually looks at the guy it is the other guy she's pretending that she can see steve like because the mirror confirms she's hallucinating steering never thought she actually looks like chris pine to her yeah what are you right imagining it yeah yeah i thought he actually sees him as chris pine i thought it only looked like chris pine for our convenience that no one actually sees him as chris pine included oh i wonder what chris pine no i i i assume she sees him as guy well i but they have chris pine for the entire film being the actor so i assume that meant that because we're kind of with diana and him that it was chris pine to diana but not to anyone else i assume i assume he looks like guy to everyone we don't see him that way yeah we have a split orally communicates this so much that we don't even know but it's a bit of both she is pretending like she's making her own mind that is you know when i look at you i see chris but the reality is when she physically looks at him confirmed by the mirror part when he sees his reflection it is the other girl that's him looking at him and us looking at what other people see how much how does she see him as chris pine once she knows he's chris pine how does that work it doesn't work i you're at don't even they asked me how it works slower because there's people saying i'm wrong it's like i i've only reported what i saw i don't know what to tell you i have no idea which one it is i just thought it was that way this is this is what is i what's very important though is that that's his character's consciousness in that body yes forced her yes yes yes hundred percent that and for those curious what happens to the so the wish of bringing steve traver back to life made it so the cosmic gods of the monkey paw took his essence for lack of a better word his soul his spirit his personality and dropped it into the body of guy who is credited as handsome guy i believe handsome man and uh he doesn't even get a name and he's poor basket doesn't even get a name meanwhile his his essence his soul his personality whatever is either dug so deep that it has no influence on steve at all or it's just gone temperate it's in like a pocket universe waiting to re-occupy his own body so i like to imagine it's been folded into a you're going around your regular day and you suddenly get possessed and control of your body is taken away from you and you just go into ethem blackness you don't you're not aware of anything now but someone has just stolen your body like or alternatively uh he can see and experience everything that's happening but he has no control over it which is even more horrifying oh my god that would like the thing is though because we see him at the end and he doesn't recognize diana so that means he wasn't aware of anything that was going on the shower what if it just erased his memory along with all the wishes what if it just and he was there screaming oh please don't don't run me towards gunfire they like why couldn't i come back when i was balls deep and gal gadot yeah well oh drags might have sprained steve driver alive like if they were gonna bring magic shit up what did why did they just revive steve driver that's exactly nobody knows that is a good question the only why why is this terribly uncomfortable scenario the only uh thing bone to potentially not even really throw bone to whittle away near them is that they show the photo of him being a hero of will war one especially in the local area i think or something the concern that if he were to come back the way is he could get recognized and that causes plot issues or something which i find incredibly abusing because yeah of course he's been gone for 60 plus years and who's gonna be able to tell that like i just like the idea that they thought about that as a team of writers they came up with that they didn't realize what they'd just done well are they abandoned that idea because wonder woman and diana look exactly the same one just has a circlet and no one ever pieces that together so but like as if no one as if anyone would be able to really uh think that if someone that looks like alvin york or adi murphy was walking around today that they would actually think oh that's actually a guy from world war two adi murphy oh i thought you were talking about adi murphy for a second and i was very confused adi murphy actual like world war two bad ass it would be well adi murphy is a hero that would have recognized chris pine you were saying shad yeah it would have been extremely unlikely that anyone would have recognized chris pine if they just rematerialized his body from the wish i like and i don't think that they care enough about continuity as proven by everything we talked about so far is that even you guys are i think the issue with the recognizing chris pine thing is that the the magic is such that it can change the minds of everybody yeah in the world essentially so it doesn't even matter just the magic can be they don't recognize them correct so why right it this way that we had this arbitrary rule they were trying to follow that the wishes could not create matter if you wish for something it needed to be come from something that was already in the world and yeah they don't understand that they decided oh god it raises his bones from the they they make a giant wall around the entire like middle eastern country so but they never show that it's from somewhere else just do the just do the simple things like it can't change people's minds like people keep their free will essentially um like bruce almighty essentially yeah it's it's the like the Aladdin rules you can't make people fall in love you can't kill anybody and this could be on in this could have been in the scene where they have the Mayan dude um because the apparently the relic is a like an old Mayan demon curse this thing to give wishes so that could be part of the story where you know the trickster goddess kawakla kukul bukul had you know these three rules that would determine you know as long as they the three rules were followed the the wish no matter what it was could be granted or something like that and they could give themselves some rules but they don't and so then anything becomes possible which ruins everything because it's so nonsensical and crazy so here's the million dollar question why write it this way that bringing him back he eats an innocent person out of existence because he's a man and fuck men and well i have no idea but it gets worse when you think about it because throughout from the point him coming back through to the rest of the film to the point where she renounces her wish right they are perfectly fine with him being in the yeah for ever basically and that's what they want wonder woman wants steve to stay in the body forever to live with him until he dies which effectively means they're okay with killing this poor guy that they're effectively saying wonder woman is okay with murdering this person yeah though they don't they don't register that whatsoever they have no idea that we were waiting for it yeah we were waiting for the point where the film recognizes what it's done and maybe diana says you know i'm so glad that you're back i'm so happy to see you but this isn't right you know that what about this guy's life because they they go through his apartment in like his photos and they use his mirror and shit and they fuck on his bed and you're like at what point i get rags i need to stop you there because this means yeah big part this is the big okay before you go uh moriarty now i'm going to get such a murderer she is now also okay i'm not kidding right this is analogous to some guy getting a cheek drunk in a bar where she's unconscious then he puts on a mask over her of his ex-girlfriend that is dead and then that's what wonder woman does in this movie you know how much they did i don't care about the guy they if the if what you say is true they credit him as handsome guy they don't think he's a non-anime he doesn't even get a name he doesn't even get a name guys he's just so much advice and most importantly if we can bring that up this confirms what i said during the film that he is a handsome guy so fuck you it's such a like if you could speak to patty jenkins you'd be like you disrespectful moronic fucking child how did you write this as wholesome wholesome rape what is wrong with you romantic believe it or not it gets worse because how do you fucking up so much and how does no one we are all of us did when we were watching it we were waiting for the scene where diana realizes i'm so happy to see you i'm glad it's wonderful but this isn't right yep i remember what i was told as a little girl about that fucking lie thing and this is that thing that's happening where you've stolen it doesn't even really fit that well but it's whatever close enough yeah but you're like it's surely like this super heroine right which is not only the drug you have to take to enjoy this movie but you would also expect from our protagonist that you'd get this goodness i guess just general goodness but the scene never comes or she recognizes that this can't go on and it has to end until she needs to get her powers back yeah exactly so she doesn't learn she doesn't learn that her wish to have him back at the expense of yeeting some poor innocent handsome man out of existence is selfish she learns that it well she doesn't learn anything because she the only reason she renounces her wish is because she needs her powers it's consistent with the intro right i mean little little wonder woman is crying but we don't realize we don't see that she gets the lesson it's kind of like the ending where she doesn't even be a hero she's just like i i need to eat him so bye steve so it's like moriarty does indeed have to leave us now i'm just gonna allow him this yes thank you so much it's it's been fun sir i guess we'll catch you the next time we do happy new years thank you very much for having me here 2020 has been a really great year um yay because i've been able to hang out with you guys i've had a lot of fun we've watched a lot of movies and this is the last one of 2020 so like you know this is my only chance to say this thank you so much all of you i really appreciate it oh and uh i'm gonna jump off like awesome you're way better than wonder woman 84 oh no wholesome rate just wholesome in general look it doesn't count if they don't remember okay oh goodness all right guys bye bye see you Sylvia's still bound another bigot gone good riddance we need to construct what's what's going on with this poor guy a bit more because like i i mean i'm baffled i cannot believe in what universe that they let this happen in the movie and they portrayed it as a okay thing like i i i i cannot believe it and i'm thinking is it because wonder woman was hot and any guy even if i'm conscious would be like hey i did it with wonder woman and if you reverse the wrong on this i've seen that on twitter some people like in fairness what guy wouldn't want this it's like what do you know i wouldn't want to be forced to have sex against their words no i think shan i think it's worse someone says to the girl hey do you enjoy it like i think i i have to say i think it's worse because the movie is all right go ahead no you go ahead oh you you for it okay uh i think it's hard i'll talk about something if one of you look like it's romantic right yeah no i did did you hear me i i did you did you guys hear me i don't go ahead we can worry about sure so i'm just saying it's worse because the movie is like yeah yeah the movie is like making it look romantic yeah the movie's the movie doesn't treat it like it's a mistake in a horror oh my love from 60 years ago or some shit and so you're you're cutting out a lot weekend yeah i'll try to connect it all right so what if this guy had a girlfriend or even worse i mean look at his face he's definitely got a dude imagine he had a family or friends who never get to see him again or at least they've lost that guy forever potentially what if what if his name is actually guy like guy pierce and people call him handsome guy like fat neil from community well that's for a long time his name is gi god that's so slimy that when they were getting the credit sorted they didn't give him a name and so the guy doing the credit was like uh i don't know how do what's the identifying feature of this guy guy i guess like they couldn't they couldn't even have like i don't know some sort of degree on the wall that's got his name on it just so that they can give him a name anything anything at all humanize him even further so the horror is yeah david johnson or something like fucking neil druckman did a better job at humanizing the npcs than this movie did gosh i mean what if he what what if he gets recognized on the street right with him oh i mean they like they break several laws like they break into the smithsonian and that's his base on the canvas no i thought he meant like laws of logic like oh yeah i'll say human legal laws laws of physics they've turned him into a criminal they've turned him into a fugitive in this movie i have to say this is my body or he wakes up in a cell in jail it's it's way worse than what uh captain marvel did to the dawn i'm sorry it is yeah yeah this is existential this is sorry yeah it's way worse captain marvel didn't rape him and at least when he got his hand hurt he was probably okay the next day and he probably did get his bike back because it was reported as stolen in the movie so he got his stuff back so yeah this guy's way worse i can't believe a female superhero worse than captain marvel they're all pretty bad that's incredible but ray they never were things twice about it yeah well the problem is that even though what captain marvel did wasn't as bad she did it in a malicious way whereas gal Gadot just seems like an idiot who doesn't have any concept of like like that this is a problem that's true so it makes it kind of harder to weigh up well at least at least wonder woman is a somewhat flawed character captain marvel has no flaws that was my biggest piss off with that character it's like she's just perfect treat these actions like they're bad but that's the thing like how could wonder woman not know this is happening she can look at the guy and see it's not his face even an idiot someone else's he knows this isn't him and she's like all right i'm gonna kiss you i'm gonna have sex with you no her no wonder woman is so stupid that her she can't connect like the neurons in her brain won't connect these two things together see yeah i think that is a greater stretch than what i think is implying that she just doesn't give a crap because she has her hubby now like yeah i with a normal person i would probably agree but wonder woman's really dumb like for how smart she is she's really dumb like i can speak 712 languages but at the same time i think that if i kill aries all war will end like men just a scenario she's incredibly stupid worst case scenario she's the most selfish person ever all right i really don't think she should have kissed him because it because she still rapes the guy yeah um even just the kiss is like whoa whoa like you should be having the discussion immediately but they just don't it's weird because if she kissed him like immediately it's that of almost like reflex like oh my god chris you're you're here i can't believe it and then she kissed chris pine and that was it i'd be like okay i understand that it's like i understand some people saying like she's naive though it's like she can't be naive after 65 years on this planet oh she she is a superhero she could be super naive super naive like by kissing him i don't like the implication that there's no physiological component in her being attracted to him like she can see that it's a different guy but it's just like oh it's the personality of chris pine so i'm in love i don't is that is that what's going on i need a reference for that mid discussion on that before something else derailed our train of thought because i thought that she saw him as chris pine everyone else saw him as handsome guy she she sees him as handsome guy she can't see him as some guy right but i thought that was like the magic like working when he when she she can now she could see like at first she can't but then when he holds her close what is that anything it's like oh i could see you as you are chris pine now i see it but that's just something the audience so yeah i unless there's a line that i'm missing here where she says like i can see you as you know even that i would just choose to interpret she means i can see you for who you are rather than handsome guy um but yeah the fact that she's like stop following the weird person to me is like yeah she sees him as that throughout the whole film as does everyone else but we see him as chris pine for you know simplicity's sake so we can understand what the fuck's happening well but she never initially it creates it makes it more complex that chris pine is the actor for who i'm with rags for just everyone involved i mean for the audience i um they want you everyone is supposed to see him as him they want you to forget that he's not chris pine i think because it's hard i think that that was just a convenient byproduct and the real reason was they wanted it to be chris pine the famous talented actor i'm with rags on this one too i think that it just makes sense that they would want to have chris pine come back because it was his no you've missed my point entirely of course they want chris pine on screen what i'm suggesting is we don't have any more scenes of hey this is handsome guy to random public or this is handsome guy still to gal gadot in a mirror anything no references because they don't want you thinking about that at all uh i'm not sure if it's a matter of they don't maybe a hundred percent that the fact that we're actually trying to remind the film that rape has happened is clear evidence that they don't in any way want to actually recognize us what they've done i don't know if they even thought about that being a thing though exactly you're yeah it well no i don't think they were trying to hide the fact it was rape i don't even think that they were thinking about it i'm suggesting that that's evidence that they have not even thought this through at all but they just want to skip over that entirely i don't think they ever thought that it was like rape they just want to skip over the fact that this is a deep trap yeah yeah i could see that yeah by the way everyone who hasn't seen this film this is the discussion of wonder woman 84 we can't figure out what the fuck this film was even trying to say like it's so hard don't you guys miss the days when the biggest contention that people had with the dc us interpretation of the superheroes of dc comics was superman snapping zod's neck i remember those days neck or batman being the punisher yeah hey man that fight sequence in bvs was cool i was expecting i was expecting the return of this character to be stupid i didn't think it was going to be this stupid like this flat out does not fucking work like the fact we're having this discussion like it doesn't work it's stupid like i i i i think she's choosing to see chris pein and like the audience is seeing what she wants to see basically based on the reveal but like the personality literal what her eyes perceive is still handsome guy but she of course treats the character entirely as though he's chris pein yes right maybe i i don't even know i don't even know well here's another reason that we're all confused about this the movie cuts from that two hours later and skips over all the interesting questions that any normal person would have to ask steve about how this all works how did this happen it just cuts right to like oh were you in a good place and he's like yeah i was in a i was in heaven basically sort of implies it's happened and then they just move on they skip now i'm back in fucking washington dc you know i find funny about this as well as the the only reason we want to get this clear is so that we could make the criticism perfectly clear because it's until you get all because it's wrong no matter what we just want to get the pieces right and the film was just like yeah what are the pieces tell me yeah and you would expect that even though gal Gadot's an idiot and may might not even in her extremely super dumb brain think about it surely chris pein yeah he was an idiot like he was he did a lot of he did dumb things in wonder woman one but he wasn't an idiot well yeah so thinking like yeah i'm buying another man's body i would argue it's a missing opportunity to have him go around the house of this person he's taken over see the family photos and see the life they've crafted and be like shit i've just he's the one who wants to tell wonder woman this can't go on she's so desperate to have him but chris pein is like no you've got to let me go you've got to move on i mean it's constantly that wasn't the message that should have been the message like that's like taking a shortcut it's like a selfish wish the message of the film is you have to let chris pein go also gary how you doing you're probably getting his microphone to work baby i don't know uh i was i was gonna ask him if he had said hi just immediately his thoughts on the rape scene from woman one of an a call haven't heard anything yet but we're in the middle of a very confusing discussion about what the fuck happened exactly great thing to ask about films yeah just how wrong is the film it's like different degrees yeah we're arguing over the degree of how wrong it is this movie is made by self-proclaimed feminists right yes yeah allegedly ostensibly so strongly out of anything that they are showing this you know handsome guy as nobody and nothing a faceless characterless entity an object they have objectified this guy so much that it's okay to rape him have sex with his body against his will against without his consent and it's perfectly okay like oh my goodness i'm just i i i can i'm i'm still in awe and astounded by this and have they been pushed that far to disregard male rights that that hasn't didn't even go on their radar when they were writing this or making this film late because i think it's i don't think it's disregard actively i think it's just they don't even think about thinking about it that's what i mean like if this happened to a female character people would be screwed screwed bloody i don't know that they ever realized at any point i don't even think that there was a moment when someone said wait couldn't someone interpret this in a bad way and pati went no i don't think that ever even happened never at all no that that conversation never took place even though i was a gambling dog but if this happened to me this would have been the one of the greatest horrors of my life i'm married right so if someone possessed my body and went and had sex sure yeah you are like what the freaking hell you know i believe it dude in that scene where they're next to the pool next to the monument it'd be great if in the reflection it was the other guy but of course they're not gonna do that imagine i imagine the guy imagine the guy he took control oh shit hey gary how you doing hey hi everyone we're talking about that awesome movie that came out recently about a superhero wonder woman 1984 oh it's beautiful yeah what are you feeling about wholesome rape oh really good about it i'm glad they brought it back into filmmaking it's been it's time to bring it back damn it yeah i was missing it i haven't seen a woman sexually assaulting a man since the last jedi and i feel like i was just running out of uh running out of references for it there we go emotionally resonant it is it is you can uh you can you know rape a guy and then once you get rid of we're discussed yeah once you get rid of the guy you are free to you can fly afterwards once you free yourself of the d uh that's true yep well as mrs nerotic says the penis is a prison so yeah i don't know because we've we've been so along with this i feel as though i guess it's time for us to move on is anything else anyone wants to say about this horrific scene and why in the world they made it we will move on i just i'm i'm speechless about it i mean or i cannot believe that it passed all the quality shakes it's in the film flat out wonder woman is now rapist it's i i'm amazed by it i mean oh i can't believe it i think i want to make a video just speaking about it on my own channel because wow man this is this is a new level for me yeah and but i just what i just keep coming back to is it's fucking magic they didn't have to write it this way nope well all they could have done is i think it would have been really cool if chris pine reappears at like the moment of his death where he's got a he's got a 1911 in his hand he's sitting down he's aiming backwards he's got his bomber jacket and jacket and everything on and he just suddenly reappears in front of her the moment that he died he's back now and he's super confused he's like what the fuck is going on here and everyone around her they see this happening too and like oh my god it could have been cool instead i would have i would have taken that easily over what they're what they're doing here yeah like as none of them neither makes any fucking sense but i would take well we assumed this is the worst thing they could have done yeah we we assumed from seeing this that uh the idea was uh this is the drawback they're gonna say like you've taken over someone's life and thus you have to give that life back and you have to undo the wish that doesn't come up at all it's just never no we were waiting for it too but it never did you know he has to give him up wait so long hello about uh about how far are we into the movie at this point oh god don't even it's 50 minutes so you know that's a chunk that's a good chunk that's sort of the way there like encap standards yeah we're uh oh my god we're four hours of stream jesus okay we're never gonna get to anything uh yeah well you know the pace we'll pick up i'm sure um because i you know i just wanted to say one more thing like high top films and brown table are simping for this movie and i love the fact that we have this scene um that could potentially pressure them into changing their minds eventually i think anybody who praises this film wants to walk it back once they hear about this how did it make you feel guys how does this make you feel hopeful i felt so hopeful this hope for film film isn't destroyed yay um i didn't think i didn't think we were that far into the film so we're almost an hour in yes yeah still better pace than its predecessor all right i needed to add another thing right so it's amazing that the people who made the film didn't pick up on this but equally amazing it's that no one else who's watched the film apart from i don't know people looking at uh so many people that have completely missed this they're completely unaware of it and if anything says about the disregard for you know men's rights that they give evies i think that says it pretty clearly like there's these other people saying the film is perfect when it has something this big and this terrible in it and they are oblivious to it well yeah imagine if this was like a male lead superhero film and the your male protagonist of this to a woman like holy shit the backlash would break the internet that's right and i feel that there should be as equal backlash to this film because of this like this should be the largest talking point on the internet out of anything regarding this film this point right here and i've heard no one address it yet i can't believe chrithpine he is a man though so like the only way that they could wreck on this to be like somewhat sensible is a handsome guy found his way to the monkey's pie and wish that he could have sex with the one a woman like it's you know monkey's pie effect like that could actually work but uh quite a work around yeah that would be no that would be the thing they take away is he got to have sex with one woman but he doesn't remember it oh that's pretty bad i've had a week of trying to like how could they canonically fix this right without like wrecking the whole thing that's it that's the only thing that i can come up with just add that in on the uh the extended cut the thing about the monkey's paw is that the wishes come at the expense of some aspect of the wishers life but in this case it just like some random guy gets fucking well is life erased well no it's because that's unrelated well that's it's like a double whammy unfortunately so the rock wants diana's powers i guess yeah so because she she wishes to the rock and so does what's her name barbara she also wishes to the rock so the rock just sort of like takes stuff it takes something back whereas max well was taking things that would be useful to him which was a concept that they butchered but it's something yeah but like i guess the rock chose the things it would take from you kind of uh what did it take from barbara what was her drawback a kindness it became a perfect kindness she's like we will we will give you everything you want but you'll be a meter person you're like all right i guess all right well it's yeah it seems a little bit unfair because it's just changing you as a person other people have to pay more than anything else yeah because with the wonder woman one you think there might be some kind of thematic or mechanical rule that really does make sense that it took her power to give steve travel back it's more just like that's just it does that and that's what makes it such a hard choice to give him up like oh okay imagine it like i think we went over this in the recording it's like you know imagine it just gave it bad luck from now on or she clothes never fit right or she's just she's depressed a bit like instead it's like no we took all of your wonder doesn't even take a wonder woman powers it takes them like a portion of them drains them over time yeah very gone they just get weaker and weaker and i guess she just she's still super human but not as much she can't just tank her way through every scenario she can't just hold w and right click and just just fucking beat the game you know so um life is now on very easy instead of extremely easy difficulty she's uh so max well has become the stone um which he got really lucky with how that turned out with his weird egg he's like i wish to be the buggies porous actually the the stone breaks apart i'd have to check the wording specifically it's just funny that he didn't himself become a christly stone thing and just fall over yeah interesting idea this was still when we were on board with his whole plan and it was like oh this is interesting where he becomes you know the the stone source and all that and i like it as a workaround in the same vein as i wish for infinite wishes it's like i wish to be the wishing stone it's like oh that's an interesting idea where you go with that um so yeah that happens when someone holds his hands and then asks to also be able to grant wishes well i guess they get to grant wishes is the is what is the way that is the way that he words it means that the stone has to be destroyed rather than just duplicated well if he becomes something one of them can't exist um he would double as the thing it's very interesting i get what you mean like you wouldn't expect to if you're like i wish to become x like well then x can no longer be x because it can't occupy the same existence but then again because the two of you will be different yeah the power of the stone's interpretation much like it does with the wall uh it could just be like yeah i'll i'll just give you its powers it doesn't have to destroy the stone yeah i wish i had your power yeah i wish i had the stone's power um christin big figure stone back somewhere like when he renounced his wallet why i don't want to get ahead of it but if when he renounced his wish does the stone reappear somewhere then we assume that actually yeah it should just yeah in his office it should just be a wish stowed in there i guess then he could try again yeah he could just do it all over again um it's just kind of like so talking about Wonder Woman 84's incredible lack of just translation to the audience we saw this scene uh where where christin wig breaks open her fridge by accident and the first thing i thought was just like she should have figured out that she's really strong ages ago she's been this for a while now that's not something you can miss in your day-to-day activities picking things up you will notice holy shit i'm fast and strong now but of course saying spider verse did it better a lot of fucking everything did it better what we thought the film was telling us with this was that she's gradually getting power and she's sapping it from diana that's what we thought was happening that is what i thought as well that would make some sense i don't think that is what happened to us at the end when the film was like no why did you think that you idiot it if it were the case right then it's not much of a monkey's monkey's pot effect on Barbara no because it's not affecting her negatively at all it's just yeah what did it take from her look look at the and also look at that it cuts right to diana as if to imply like where do you think she's getting that power from it's like oh yeah but no but like you have this thing where uh she wishes to be like diana and then diana starts losing her power and so you think that that's a monkey's pot effect in and of itself because the you would think that the monkey's pot effect of diana's wish to have Steve back is the fact that oh it's the fact that he's actually in a random dude's body and there's a sexual harassment on the screen there um but like no it actually turns out uh the monkey's pot effects for diana is she's losing her powers because Steve's there she's very like we've made it yeah apparently that's what you're supposed to think but i don't think any of us when we were watching it did any of us pick up the correct interpretation no oh well as chat is saying like you should have picked up that it's her humanity that was the price it's just like what do you chat chill out so so this also bugs me when people say that people's humanity is only their good traits like humans are just wonderful pure amazing things and any bad attribute is we are human if you were to remove you stop with that the humanity from a person they're like i don't even know what you end up with are you something different it's going to be something very very different yeah oh yeah i didn't grasp that fact guys well no yeah i was gonna say like the point being made is we made fun of this already it's like she's mean now and it's like no you don't understand they took her humanity it's like yeah yeah yeah she's mean now is what the film does took away her the price that she has to pay for being a super apex mega predator is that she's meaner she lost it well this is what i mean rags on the surface you lose your humanity you're like oh my god what does that entail it's like well you're mean you're a mean look like a thunder cat it's a kind before she became the cat that was just the trade to get the diana powers yeah so here's the other thing but the wish she makes you know and the power she gets from it makes her more of a selfish potentially mean evil person right that's not a monkey's paw side effect because the same thing happens to max lord like all the power goes to his head and his ego and everything but his monkey's paw effect is that he's like gonna die if he doesn't keep granting wishes well yeah it almost seems like no i thought it was a grand wish you made it worse would you say that's the humanity of it the power corrupts people yeah like that you think that that's like the logical conclusion of her suddenly becoming so powerful is it going to her head i think that works in a medicine but because the film never addresses the fact that wonder woman raped a guy i don't know if we could say that's the message the film was making which is by the way a lot of assumptions here we'll probably skip that that's the next scene film so terrible uh we've definitely covered that i was just gonna say that's the next scene so we'll probably move past that one where it's just and when this when this came up i think all of us were just like no no no no no no you should know it was like nor nor nor it's definitely a nor moment so i haven't seen the movie obviously i can't hear the dialogue here but with the antagonist christin wig has wished to be like diana because she's envious of her confidence or whatever and the stone has taken that to mean that she wants her powers and now she has super powers and she doesn't understand why she gets the full package people are attracted to her she's very confident she's agile and she's strong and yeah she doesn't and she gets the powers yeah i don't think she knows why she has powers at this point you'd think like because that's fucking dumb come from love when everyone's powers come through the power of love um no wasn't that in the first movie uh well well that's how she beats areas is like she's like i believe that love can save the world or something like that but that's not where the power is coming from but that's where the power is coming from now what i'm getting at when she says she wants to be like diana it's like okay if the stone was going to be more literal about that wouldn't that also affect her personality to be more like diana and that would make her a better person not a worse one well again diana rapes a guy in this so is it bad is it bad that that comes up a lot now it's like bear in mind we've got it pinned she did rape a guy you're like oh right yeah okay that does yeah shad who makes their protagonist a rapist yeah okay for proper plot reason that's true at least i meant to make my protagonist also one of the only other uh female metahumans in the dceu is played by amber herd oh no just oh it's a theme now is it a great morning pattern not a whole lot of uh of role models here is what i'm trying to bring up of course is female guys so female empowerment through any means necessary let me have an example of a scene that i'm chill with just this is we just cut all of this and the film improves it's just uh christin wig goes to 70s wick out and and she's like wow i'm strong that is the scene yeah that's the scene is that she's strong didn't we already do this beat with the fridge door yep with the fridge you know what it is a totally redundant scene that establishes nothing about anything but there it is there it is they didn't even use the opportunity to have like nice 80s music they could have done like a call on me thing might have been two on the nose but they could have had nice 80s music and i'm pretty sure it's just kind of like quirky comedy music yeah so that reminds me the opera music the so there's a montage that would have been nice if it was done better um that's this movie though um but they have us they sorry there's there's a bunch of scenes where they have chris pine and a wonder woman and they're walking around they go to museums and stuff and there's a little good aspect of the film where chris pine is like amazed by how far aviation technology is gone and you know he's oh shit we've gone to the moon that's incredible you know that's that's good that's nice that they did that it's nice that they put a good thing in the film um and they have this opera music playing over the whole thing and it's bizarre it is bizarre yeah right instead of having that really cool 80s music vibe you know because 80s music is great tons of great songs and you know music very you know that would be very very appropriate and fun to listen to and would set the tone well it's just random opera music also like happy new year to britain all right it's not another six hours for me we all really like it's nearly there eventually it's nearly 12 o'clock in the uh it's nearly new year that he's paid to me uh on to the music point like Thor Ragnarok honestly gives a better 80s vibe than this movie does and Thor Ragnarok has even set in the 80s yeah well regarding to the galaxy yeah oh my god that's a lot of fireworks i'm scared guys well well three uh erie's is back so oh no he's tainting the souls of men uh so yeah that was that was a scene and they literally just cut to Maxwell's next scene all the point was was christin wigg picking up weights i think the movie actually forgot that it already did it it's i don't know how to explain it just cut the scene you don't need it go uh and yeah so this is Maxwell testing out his powers i guess he wants the investor to wish for better things for the company sorry if that's really loud right now i don't know if it is uh no that's all right uh and of course the the investor would naturally like this was i think one of the best examples of actually having to write in this film where Maxwell has to guide the conversation to what he wants the person to wish for which is a really interesting element of this whole story like max is doing this for himself but he has to get people into a position where they'll wish for the thing that he wants them to it's like that's cool you should use that the rest of film doesn't do it as much i think there's a bit with his son but that's about it the rest of them are sort of just whatever wish wish wish just on that point it actually almost inverts at where he becomes that he doesn't care what they wish for but then he selects the thing he's going to take arbitrarily to benefit himself so he doesn't need people to wish for the things he wants he can actually just take what he wants as a payment for the wish so that's contradicted i think it's way cooler to have just had it the whole time every conversation is like a battle where he has to get he has to unlock the thing he wants and sometimes it can backfire you know totally totally agree yeah um so it works um he gets he gets what he wants and then just does anyone remember the scene better than i do the guy the fbi shops the place or something yeah they show up immediately right after he says uh he he he gets his wish right he or grants that guy's wish and goes and now i'm gonna take all your shares and uh you're gonna be taken out by some random element basically i'm paraphrasing and then they show up right when he's walking out yeah so his um choice of what their payment is for the wish if you will it's taken to the extreme he can just select whatever he wants out loud and he gets it instantly and this is the kind of thing where whether or not that makes sense mechanically with the wish stuff it's insane how much the world will have to bend its back to be able to actually facilitate these things that he wants like everyone is mine now they're all just like wait do they all lose free will or do they all just have a memory where they were convinced to follow you like how does this work yeah like his guards he's like uh your private security detail their mind and they just obey him now which makes it kind of fucked up when they get attacked by wonder woman yeah because they did nothing wrong uh-huh that action scene we're coming coming to it eventually it was terrible it's so funny though uh so yeah that's just let us know that's how his power works go ahead well well like uh in the comics i hate to appeal to the comics but like max lord's power is being able to like persuade people with like telepathic powers so it's almost it almost seems like this is the closest that the film gets to adapting max lord faithfully well uh gary you've read the comics is this a faithful and cleverly written adaptation of max well lord no what a shame because the idea was so good never would i guess if only yeah um this is the thing i wouldn't well better question is this a good adaptation of wonder woman at this point no when you get into like her character choices in this film in particular which you brought up before and we'll bring up again when we get to the steve trevor part uh no she's not that selfish at all uh and you know gal good out is good in her performance she's fine with the garbage writing she's given uh i mean she's stoic she's not like she has massive range or anything but she's a good wonder woman generously to describe her we yeah we don't think this is a very good actress love a phrase well the first one she yeah she had like she's improved but yeah you know she needs somebody to play off of obviously and these you know listen these are super here at chris evans you know he's a good captain america but he's stoic it's actually not he's a decent actor but he's pretty beautiful but he's good at acting stoic we don't just assign the stoic attribute to him after the fact yeah like he can emote when he needs to when absolutely he can quiff and emote because yeah she is really hot completely agree but when she has to exclaim in it when someone dies and she goes now it's like oh like yeah her her ability to just like speak and use her face to express her thoughts is really horrible i wish it were a super model yes uh she is hot she is hot though which uh brings us to her go ahead so i want to ask gary a question by the way gary awson being a stream with you made i've watched your stuff for a for a bit of for a while now so thanks hey sorry question has wonder woman in the comic books ever write to anyone no she's been great though she's been great the while okay and listen i haven't read every silver age comic and this like wonder woman was created by a pervert right so uh a guy who was like a submissive and in the you know bondage and all that stuff they made a movie on her pervert oh is that why her weakness to make her weakness so i go i mean existed we'll say uh sexually permissive how's that uh but i'd say pervert to save time and she gets spanked a lot like a lot but no right that i know of we were the we were the spanks we were the spanking scenes in in these movies at all in the 50s in the silver age comics you can look it up i mean it's it's all there oh i could believe yeah i'll probably yeah all right let me research they had the comics code in the 50s so the artists and writers did whatever they could like to get around it like a batman and robin is a giant gay innuendo for a decade so yeah it's it's pretty funny uh there's a there's an old old website called super dickery superman is a dick and it goes over all of that with batman and superman superman's like a total asshole to low to lowest lane and uh it's pretty funny well yeah they they didn't go as far as having any naughty spanking scenes they just wanted to throw a rape one in there you know that's not so no they didn't worry you're always always there there we go right there there you go guys i just want to ask i just want to ask what the fuck is going on with her back yeah oh she's melting and what is what is going on here she is like ice cream on the countertop man i do not know oh my god it's true well i was gonna say what the fuck is going on with that picture in general but yeah sure the back oh yeah that's also weird i think the the person who is spanking looks so stressed out to do so well see the little kids watching i mean this is weird shit weird yeah oh my god what in the world why i don't know an entire generation was raised on this she's a feminist icon everyone a feminist icon what feminist icon where i cannot believe this this is the way we brand you the red mark of displeasure will remain with you until the smart from this spanking wears off okay that's word for that's word for word something that he's heard in the bedroom oh yeah pretty tough be it's just amusing it's like right back to the film where there's the awkward scene where he's picking clothes actually legitimately less pleasant thing yeah uh this is obviously the point of this is to reflect the first movie where it's like remember when she was trying on clothes well now he's trying on clothes tee he you're like all right yeah uh this was up on us yeah that scene went on for a while it did a lot of them do it did and it's just like man this fashion it's just not it's just not cool apparently fanny packs yeah fanny packs are so 80s like nobody made fun of anybody wearing them back then like i did and yeah and the they even do like the the hard cuts with even to the point where it's moving them across the screen because that's the just that's how you edit scenes that are like funny and montagey for wearing clothes it's it's funny this whole movie is like a big mixture of paint by numbers and then also insane like oh they're doing the thing everyone does also they're doing rape you're like oh okay that's yeah i mean throw that in yeah and patty jankins is the hottest director now everybody wants her because she has a direct and she has boobs surely she's her reputation is going to take a little bit of a hit from this one right it should honestly because she had a writing credit on this one and not on the first one so yeah that's not looking good for her rep zack was there love or hate zack he was there helping her in the first obviously well it's a it's a good thing in that I know in that trying on clothes thing it's a good thing that chris pine and handsome guy that he's possessing have similar physiques otherwise that scene might not make much sense that's right imagine he possessed literally anybody who doesn't have his body type oh Danny DeVito yeah that would have been thought it was gonna be I thought they were gonna go that route they were gonna get some like yeah some some like you know bald 40 year old guy that like is making out with uh you know Gal Gadot that would have been kind of funny but that yeah they couldn't make they could have been the same size just not you know still sticks with him that's the question yes I think she would I would have liked to be funnier okay so humorous rape and then they do the the trailer thing and just it was just again scenes that go on for a while and you're just sitting there we're waiting for them to go back to max and his crazy because I legit remember seeing this when it shows him again we were like oh shit what's he doing now who's he manipulating what kind of powers he getting what kind of resources again I want to follow our protagonist you know enough with the Wonder Woman testing a boyfriend's clothing it's like that's the lame um and yeah he gets his secretary to wish for help I think with the phones yeah and people randomly show up yeah and again makes you wonder how exactly that works are they poofed into existence and if so why didn't you do that for chris pie yeah it's kind of weird they could have gone down any avenue one guy the guy who comes in there says I was going to some other place and I ended up here but I mean forget about like filling out applications and all that stuff because you still had to do that back in the 80s you didn't just say you're hired and walk in it's magic it's magic then that brings up your point why didn't chris pine just appear it makes me wonder as well because uh if they do they're basically on the part because like it's way too quick to be like that it would have to be guys walking down the street and he has this random idea I'm going to go into this building and I'm going to work for this guy and that's because of the monkey's paw um the timing means he would have had to have been on that track before the wish was even made in which case that gets into a lot of stuff about fate I guess like and how everything the world operates as though it already knows what's going to happen and puts everything in in place ready for it to happen designed for what people wanted stuff and it's like oh my god this film's dealing with concepts that I don't think it's ready for oh then back to christin wigg you're like no you see she's captivating an audience because she all this is it just beats to say that she's slowly she even says like oh so weird I don't need my glasses anymore and everyone laughs and it's like what if anybody here's wearing glasses and they suddenly didn't need to I feel like that would be huge be like holy shit my eyes don't wow how come this isn't affecting Diana how come Diana's not affected is it because she's drawing her powers out wouldn't she be enamored with Barbara too yeah that's always come across as weird to me because it does seem as though everybody is under a spell but it doesn't work on Diana maybe it's because she's the one she was copying is that what the justification is could be you have to kind of assumption number a thousand you know you have to do a bit of work for the for the movie you know I want to do that much work for a movie like this no no one does yeah and so then uh one of them gets really pissed at it because she allowed max to have the um the stone and it's a really weird scene because it only works if uh Kristen Wiig's character isn't a character she goes along with it as if she knows all the context we know um when in in reality she should be like why are you mad at me this guy not only was it something he bought uh he's funding us just isn't it totally fine that he has it like why why are you so pissed at me but that never happens Kristen Wiig's like oh no sorry I didn't oh no oh no again yeah and she's just really rude again this is not the first time that uh Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman is just incredibly rude to people and like in a way that's not even helpful for her she's just angry yeah I know she's like how could you do this and she's like what I didn't do anything I don't know what I've done really unfortunately yeah yeah um so it's a fascinating movie I said like if anybody did a full on video on this thing it takes so long to break down are you planning on doing one chat probably just on the big thing the rape thing I want to I like more awareness of this for the fact that so many people are not talking about it when they should be I'm astounded by so I think I'm just gonna do a full blown rant on this well let's google it let's google let's take a look is Wonder Woman a god rapist women women can do no wrong you guys are forgetting cosmic book news the warped morality of Wonder Woman 1984 that's on Forbes um how to address its big consent I mean there's some there's some stuff here but it's not as um yeah not as uh it would be everywhere yeah it should be everywhere but there's only you know four or so things that pop up I think we're all I think everybody agrees that uh the reverse would be insane on the internet it would be on fire if it was the new captain america film and this was happening no just a reverse role but but luckily most creators I've seen talking about this film don't fail to mention that element so you know humanity's not lost yet guys not yet uh so yeah they get to max his office they're looking for the stone and they look in his bin I think and they find tickets to Cairo that's um not only really lucky that that happened I think so I'm playing it now I'll be able to confirm but because they're after the stone and um the fact that he's gone to Cairo because he wants to talk to the oil baron person right um get his get his he went to Cairo but he threw out the tickets well receipts that scene remember they also established that he had been researching stone so that's how we're supposed to go oh he that's how he found it and knew about it right which was just picking up a couple of pieces of paper right yeah still feels flimsy like an object of that type in this world and he's the one who found it because he just I don't know read the right books at the right times it's like okay there should have been there should have been a scene a like a prologue well like they did in uh in uh was a Batman versus Superman where they found the kryptonite right was a Batman versus or sat whatever uh but like some little scene where somebody discovers the stone and that that could establish anything some archaeologist or whatever do you remember Justice League where uh Batman finds out about the mother cubes because he kills a random gremlin thing and its body inscribes the thing into a wall of cubes or something do you remember that yeah I do that's one of the weird I remember when I first saw that film I could already just not I'm so looking forward to showing rags that shit it's it's in it's I just remember it blows up on a wall and it just makes a painting of cubes or something I just listen the the DC world is very good at connecting scenes they know what kind of shit the audience is thinking about in terms of how does one get from a to b and um like I said in this scene they found that there's there's research on the stone the stone is clearly broken I think from that they jump to he is the stone now do you remember we were all like whoa that's a leap of all the things you could think that he did with the stone um I kind of remember what the rationale is I just remember us being really surprised that the the heroes already figured out that he is now a wish granting stone wait is is it the body of Pedro but he has the powers of the stone or is the stone hopping around with like a little mouth on it like no he's the properties of the stone are now within him if you touch his hand and wish for something the same uh you know thing happens it's it's a massive leap that I figure that out yeah if you were on my team and suggested that I'd be like why would you assume that's what happened like it seems I just think a lot of I would have assumed he destroyed it uh after using it to make sure no one could counter his wish or something that's what I would have assumed too yeah for sure right um but yeah they're obviously looking around the office for any clues and just bear in mind if they don't have the Cairo clue they're fucked and I've nearly got the shocks I'm assuming it's yeah they're just looking at bin it's um this is leading us to the wonderful action scene anyway so you guys should be hype uh yes do you find some I think it's just so so I was um while y'all were talking I was doing a little quiet because I was talking about a um just a couple just looking around so I saw that um that uh that was removed because I guess it wasn't a leak I guess but I guess it's been removed but I could still find it so it wasn't removed I don't know point being um there are clearly people I shown the comments that don't think that this is rape at all so there are some fucking crazy ass people oh wow okay but one of the more popular um ones was from r slash nofap christians uh it is a safe place for the christian nofap users to discuss the process of abstaining from pornography and masturbation or we're an official accountability group of r slash nofap and the thread is called wonder woman 1984 reminded me why pornography is evil so yeah that's uh definitely interesting so there you go of all the things to learn from wonder woman 84 you know yeah yeah but so they they do a good job at recognizing the rape that takes place but apparently pornography is evil um and this is what is found by the way I guess I'm not sure what the term for it is but it's just the the other portion of the ticket that he would have bought passenger seat yeah so they're lucky that uh they've managed to find that of course and they also find the magazine with the new king of crude so it's funny because it's it's like a video game where it's like there are two clues in this room find them you pick up two things and he goes what have you learned from this magazine about a crude oil baron in uh Cairo and a plane ticket to Cairo it's like hmm so have we actually mentioned that max didn't need to go to Cairo to get that wish done he could have gotten anyone if you just said hey could you do me a favor and say this words for me just yeah I wish that say I wish max will get this guy's oil reserve just for me and I'll pay a hundred bucks he could have done that let me don't get our actions yeah that would have been here seems like you're not even oriented I wish I was in Cairo yeah wish him wish himself to Cairo that could work I mean if you have the power of the wish it does come across like there's a lot of things you can do that take you to the finish line so to speak we're not just wish I wish I had everything I ever needed oh I completely forgot about this so they need to get to Cairo everyone from Washington and um that means they're gonna go to the Smithsonian with a hear access and get to an aeroplane now there's so much about this scene that doesn't work like I'm not sure where to begin um I don't think there's anything about it that does work so honestly every detail is wrong it's like we need to make a list like clearance to leave would be something access to the actual aeroplane the keys to turn it on the knowledge to use it from Steve the fuel to get to Cairo yeah there is not enough fuel to get to Cairo even if it's fully fueled you have to stop somewhere that's what you know what are those big ships called with the planes land on what it's called aircraft carriers yeah that's what those are for because you cannot fly from here to the Cairo on one tank like oh god this is one of those scenes I think that uh is really good for just a class to study it's like nothing about this works um every possible thing that would prevent them from getting to Cairo is still in play this answers nothing they've just broke of the world that's all they've done while we were in the middle of watching this we were like pointing out like tons of of issues with this and then it took a it took us like until about a minute into the scene when I'm like guys are how is the plane fueled up yeah this is crazy it's like a museum in this kind of museum right so yeah it's fully it's it's fueled why is there somebody in the tower at the museum of planes you're not going to fly I don't know security I guess they're making sure no one steals these wide open keys no it's a real airport people just take off they land you know they're nice in there but you know what guys drama drama ensues they are on a radar how will they escape this rate I like that the writers they had like 8 000 issues to deal with writing why they're like let's just go with the radar allows us to get this payoff that we think is neat that's the only reason they went with it how do you solve being on a radar everyone um you probably have to put some special reflective material on the outside of your plane that the radar waves don't like interfere with the certain way or I don't I don't really know guys looking at the radar is that a little too dark oh fuck I'm sorry I just I'm playing I'm playing Guild Wars 2 in the back and I just pulled a vision of the conner I don't know what that means I don't know what that means either I'm very happy for you is that a sexual thing rags just man that's oh how can they be on here how can you be on radar already if they're they're like they're not haven't even taken off yet I don't know it's detecting them maybe that would be another way is to give off a bunch of false signals that could be detected on a radar that's possibly another way to just there's probably people in town know more about how to deal with radar than um than we do all this film does so uh much like and I referenced it no you know watching of it I I in TFA part three I think I talked about like the power of throwaway lines and an example of a bad one is a Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom where they're like damn this 20 year old broken down jeep we need it to work lucky we repair jeeps look what what it's like okay then it's just like we repair it so this is damn we're being detected by a radar and she's like oh it's chill my dad could make things invisible let me try yeah what it's it this is never done it before right doesn't get here she's basically be repair man he can fix anything go ahead oh yeah wonder woman's basically a wizard now she could just magic okay yeah and and I don't think you can pull the well she the invisible jet that's the thing from the comics it's like this isn't that this is like heard people say that I've heard people say oh well that's the thing from the comics it's like it's so funny because she starts doing these hand movements and I thought it was all just like gonna be a payoff for a joke where she's like huh I guess that doesn't do anything you're like okay but no weird stuff starts to happen see these special effects everyone look at those special effects oh and see like wait what's what's gonna happen and gal Gadot is expressing frustration as she tries to get this working and it's it's exciting invisible jet a wonder woman thing or a justice I mean look at her facial expression she's just like constipated yeah do you never do that when trying to make things invisible also I think it I thought the invisible jet was a wonder woman thing is it the technology or is it something she makes invisible I guess Gary might know it it's it's nah nah it's it's comic book logic they've retconned it a few times but it was just magic-y stuff before but the Zeus is the daddy but the they even put it in the TV show that's probably what their references from it and she just had it from from paradise island I thought it was like the X men jet where they all use it it doesn't really belong to any one person I'm no I'm no radar expert but I'm pretty positive what good are you why are you even here why are you even here I'm sorry you're right all well to finish this point now ironically no one can see him so well yeah just because it's you know invisible to the eyes I think a radar would still be able to detect it as far as I know with how radar works yes so that's very funny people just say it's magic guys magical stop the radar magical immune to sight and radar yeah and I know that like in terms of invisible jet there's a DC animated movie that has her have an actual jet that can turn invisible through technology it's a stealth jet that she gets a hold of and then she decides to keep so that a visible jet can be a thing in that that way but this the way they've done it here is just baffling because this is one of the things that really ticks me off in movies where they do like you know pre-cool stuff and they show characters doing things that they've never done in any other time and so it's like oh okay so she can make things invisible now that that would never happen in any other time she fights anyone in Justice League at all like sure okay yeah how does this not come up in other films like because this isn't something she learned in this film this is something she just mentions is a thing in this film you're like wait a minute how long have you known this yeah Anna designed the invisible plane on Paradise Island it was an old thing from the cartoons in the comics so it's okay well it doesn't have to make any fucking sense see and I think that that's it's almost mean to the comics because of the fact that this didn't even try it was like what's what does the comic have something invisible jet like oh she I don't know she makes stuff invisible she went into a jet that's close enough right she just she just pulls out not not only that she can turn invisible which she never makes herself invisible you think she would that seems like really really fucking useful but I she's like no I can just like I can turn shit invisible it's all good you know I watched my dad do a lot of stuff I'm curious what what is radar displaying when it beats something is it is it tracking motion is it tracking heat it's bounce I'm pretty sure it's bouncing radio waves off of it's sending radio waves out and then things bounce back or something like that I don't know don't vote me on that I think that is how it works but the R the R stands for radio so it's radio detection and ranging I think right okay yeah how does radar work it sends out electromagnetic waves similar to wireless computer networks and mobile phones they're sent out in short pulses which may be reflected by objects in their path in part reflecting back to the radar oh no so when something's invisible nothing changes yeah well done wonder woman echo location yeah that that makes so they could have had that really cool scene where they get so the radar picks up that they're there so they scramble some jets to go and intercept them or find them and then the jets are like are you sure it's here and they're looking around and they can't see it and you have that that you could make it make a funny little comedy moment where they're like oh god can they see us and there's jets right next to them but they can't see them and that would have that would have been a cool little uh cool little moment you could have chris pine and diana haven you know just a little little fun moment together where they're just invisible next to these jets but we got this so there you go we had to go through fireworks for like five minutes and then we had to go above the cloud and see the colors of the fireworks made a long scene and it was almost like ill advised too it's just like you have a job to fucking do flying through fireworks what are you guys and and he flew a biplane in world war one they're on the healthy fly yeah it's a plane it's like if i rode a bike i could ride a motorcycle right and drive a tank i'm sure why not throw a tank in his amazing fireworks as well like didn't they exist back in i'm pretty old they did what i will say is it would be pretty cool five thousand years ago so it would be pretty cool regardless to fly through fireworks like i could get you know i'd be interested in that but uh this scene is so distractingly stupid that i don't care if you know what i mean i don't want to fly through them though flying through projectiles that exploded well under the pretext that i am safe if i am if i know i am safe in this invisible jet you know gosh you guys just you're missing the emotional resonance of this film okay i don't think you can find emotional resonance in this film if you had radar the other thing that's weird to me is that it's not shot in slow motion like the reactions are in real time but the plane is moving incredibly slow through that like don't those kind of planes have to go pretty fast just to stay yeah horn right i would guess that's kind of weird yeah we had to enjoy the scene oh sorry it was important that's the whole theme of the movie right just sit back and enjoy and again we've we've been without max wealth is so long and then it cuts back to christen wigg and you're like no not again wait in the film has chris pie never seen fireworks where have you been playing guild wars no no i actually i legit was and i was reading some messages and stuff people have been sending me but i forget that did he not or um well shad brought up and yeah it's like the one thing i think is important to consider is that you're in them rather than just seeing them like the i think it would be interesting to be at the explosion level right next to fireworks but uh at the same time you know it shouldn't probably be that shocking to him fireworks at least i mean she's just as surprised and she lives in a world with i don't know he reacts like never seen them before yeah because someone because someone messaged me and said that they were invented in like 200 bc yeah so it shouldn't so they should have both seen fireworks like the both of them it's 1984 they will have seen these before like every new years and fourth of july and so like them being bewildered by them occurring is it would be odd what's that when he sees that he's like what's that it's like he's he has no idea what they are he's just like the germans they're shooting colorful they're shooting gay black hands at us they we need to dodge that's yeah my wife said good thing he doesn't have ptsd oh my god yeah that's so true oh that's hilarious film could go this is the thing this film is actually pretty dark if you should be like really afraid of them you interpret it the right way this one can get dark real quick speaking of next scene christin wigg is like enough rape enough gonna kill rape and uh this guy the drunken asshole dude she um she fucks him up quite a bit before that oh yeah cat called three times in a row like like nearly every guy she passes this goes back like i wonder what they're trying to say about men just wasn't sure google to settle what's curious about this is like this is the polar opposite of the deleted scene from captain marvel with the dawn where that is a well like in captain marvel it's a bad thing presented as good and this is like so she's uh i i think this is a bad thing that she's doing in terms of like the degree in which she's assaulting him even when he's clearly no longer a threat but at the same time he is a creep and so then like there's people that are outraged by how they're depicting um her fighting off a rapist as a bad thing um i can understand the mixed messaging aspects that are people like yeah this is portrayed as a dark and horrifying scene when in a broad sense it's a woman defending herself from a rapist i understand why they say that at the same time fucking hell she really lays into him that's that's what i'm trying to get at here is he's uh he's not he's not a threat to her at this point um i think it's weird that again one woman just didn't like apprehend him lasso him turn him in or anything like that earlier in the film she just like walks away and like okay well i guess she was i guess she was thinking he's drunk and he's learned his lesson so i was more concerned about her checking on his health i didn't know if he was dead from what she did she moved him like five meters in a second did she totally from what she does to him um but when you say defending herself right he cat called her and she passed and if she kept running that would have been the end of it but she stops and then's basically picks the fight with him um doesn't he go to do something to her and she grabs him he tries to hit her i think and she grabs it or something like that but that's after she started was calling him names thing also how hard you have to throw him by him touching her yeah of course it doesn't i'm not saying he does but well all this is this whole scene is escalation it's just it's everything escalates it's a very disproportionate response um so when she did that initial hit i think in our recording we're like well he's dead he's dead i mean what it does to the yeah movie logic likes to pretend a lot of the time you could do a shit ton to a human body and it just sort of gets back up immediately it's like no no no no um i mean the amount of force you need to exert on a human body to lift it off its feet and launch it a few meters in the air is insane that would to crush in a rib cage usually kill someone instantly right then like it's crazy too and of course depends on how quickly the force is applied i will put that caveat there yeah you're slowly right but look at that kick holy crap yeah so this kick to have the force to move someone several meters almost off their feet all in the space of just the um i don't even know what the the word for it is but you know like the edge of your foot uh before your toes that area yeah that on your chest with enough force to move you several meters he's probably dead again it's out yeah um in the same way that a slap to a face is different than the same force being projected in just a single prick you know it'll go and you should be like ah but uh yeah she's pretty pissed to this guy and of course this is um probably what they were looking to do is like be like this is her descent into villainy and it's a it comes from a better a place that's vaguely like even the first hit she does to him is still like okay you crossed the line already yeah that first hit against the truck is like okay calm down you guys are nitpicking for assuming that people that are not established to have superhuman durability in a comic book movie should uh should not have superhuman durability okay just like in doc cock and spry man too all right it's a comic book movie everyone's durable that's how it works when she just kicked him do all of his teeth fly out or is that spit it looked like it i think it's honestly i wouldn't think this film would want to do teeth i think it's just spit yeah that's a good thing wonder woman initially let him go to reoffend and also show up here yeah washington dc is a pretty big town uh that last kick she does holy shit yeah yeah this guy is it is important to note though that this film portrays this as a bad thing she is doing yeah just so we're being clear so everyone knows just so everyone knows right the film isn't trying to portray her as a good person doing a good thing where this guy gets his just come up and this is definitely portrayed as a villainous action they even have the captain marvel stuff they even have the friendly hobo from earlier just randomly turn up and be like oh no why are you being me i'm like god seriously yeah that's so dumb washington dc there's like solid six people that live there well he gets better because he's like what are you in six like what are you doing she's like stay out of my business oh go stick whatever lie that involves business like mind your own business i think mind your own business yeah it's just me beating a man to death fuck off like okay i just like the uh the homeless man is just the power god of virtue because he's probably chill he's just like yeah that's like a throwback yeah yeah well that's what they're doing and of course what's he saying here like oh he didn't deserve that i think only he's he's just confused he's seeing what the fuck's going on okay i don't think we see him again do we nope this is the last time bye homeless i can't believe he showed up in this scene that's fucking ridiculous it was ridiculous enough already with like the rapist showing up then also the fucking homeless guy shows up and i love this felt suddenly Cairo you're like right then i guess we got to Cairo yeah it's uh oh it's such a wild ride you just don't know what's going to happen next and of course yeah so max is just talking with the other oil dude and gets him what is even the wording he wants all of like the people who the correct people in the city he has and the non-correct people out i can't remember what the specific wording is yeah that guy wants basically like the rein like he really wants the caliphate back or like some sort of empire that used to exist there he wants that back he wants that territory under his control and only like we know the true believer is not the heathens kind of thing and so max grants him that and it erects a wall around his city um that's not really what he wished for he built the wall yeah it isn't so the thing