I don't know if you know this or not, but it is hard being a leader. Being someone that has a position of authority or influence over others can be difficult. And here's the thing, no one except for Jesus has ever gotten it all right. Now, does that absolve anyone from trying to get it right? No, but it's the fact there's no one that's ever gotten it right. Think about this. Moses got angry, struck the rock, and was prevented from entering into the Promised Land. Was there something more behind the scenes? Don't know. Don't know. But that was something that we did find out about Moses. Jonah, disobeyed God, ran, did not want to see the Ninevites saved. Elisha complained and doubted God. As a matter of fact, even said that or thought that he was the only one that was serving God. Samuel, the prophet Samuel. What was wrong with his sons? His sons were actually pretty horrible. As a matter of fact, his sons were the catalyst for Israel deciding that they wanted a king like other nations. Pretty bad parenting maybe. I don't know. You tell me. Then what about Paul? Paul rebuked Peter. Peter's issue was how he was treating the Gentiles privately versus publicly. But then Paul was a bit harsh and definitely wrong about John Mark, who at the very end decided that he wanted to see John Mark bring him to me because he's useless. I mean he's full. I'm sorry. He's useless. Useful. The fact is though that everybody gets it wrong in some way, shape, form, or fashion. And so that's why it is very important for someone who wants to be a leader to make sure that one it's of God, two that you are qualified to do so. Now, as hard as it is to be a leader, I think it's even harder to be a pastor. Why? Because now you've got an extra layer on where you have an intimate dealing with the people that you are shepherding, so to speak. And so it can be difficult. I told you guys before about my prayers in terms of should I plant a church and so forth. And I want to make sure that me personally, not in terms of understanding the scriptures and so forth, but in terms of me personally behind the scenes that I'm ready, that I can handle certain things, deal with certain things. And one, I am efficient in terms of handling things administrative wise, kind of this, this, this, and this. Because you'll notice that a true pastor, a true pastor, doesn't get into the debates. Why? Well, because he's got a lot to do. There's a reason why a person like John MacArthur, you don't see him having debates. There's a reason why a person like a Tony Evans. These pastors that we see, whether you like them or not, true pastors, they don't have time to go out and debate and answer questions. Now, if they have a conference, that's their own thing. But having a debate, this person calls them out. They, they, which by the way, if you have a pastor and he's responding to callouts and clapbacks, you probably don't have a pastor. You probably have a social media influencer more than you do a pastor because his focus is other. It's one of the things that, that, when I first noticed about a person like a T.D. Jakes, he's half of the time, go to his church, half the time, he's just not there. He's, he's doing something different rather than being there close by to the church.  Now, John MacArthur, there are some things that I agree with him. There's many that disagree with him. There's a, but that's the case with anybody. The only person, the only person that I agree with 100% of the time is me and not even 100%, maybe 99% of the time. And then, do you know who you agree with most often? You're probably going to say God.      That's just how it is. So you agree with yourself most often, then let's say, hopefully a close second, it'd be God. I mean, if we're going to be honest and tell the truth, that's just how it is. That's just how human beings are. Now, me, I take a different tack towards looking at people. You've heard me say this before. I don't treat believers like nonbelievers. I don't treat Christian like non-Christians. I don't treat sheeps or shepherds like I do wolves. And it takes me a while to come to the conclusion, let's you do something that's just overtly, overtly without any question reprehensible. If you are intentionally mishandling the text, I tend to even, even if you're mishandling text, I tend to want to give you the benefit of doubt because I'm not sure. And so I'm going to always handle someone, even if I disagree with them, if they're a pastor or a believer, differently than I would a nonbeliever. That's just me. Because I've done this enough and been around enough, enough of the big ones and the small ones and those in between I've been around. And I've seen kind of what happens beyond, I mean, behind the scenes, I've seen what's happened behind the scenes at a small church. I've seen what's happened behind the scenes at a medium church as well as a large church or even in different organizations because sometimes what you see is not what you get behind the scenes in vice versa. So that being the case, I don't think that anyone can doubt the amount of influence that a John MacArthur has had.  It just, and some folks say I don't hate him, but some people do go at him with a certain ire that really is ungodly. Some folks have a legitimate cause and they want to prosecute that cause that they believe. Now, there does come a difference between prosecuting and persecuting. There's a few words that are changed, but a big difference. And so you want to be careful. You've got folks on this end of the spectrum and you've got folks on that end of the spectrum. And then you've got most people who are in between. I don't have an unabiding love for John MacArthur, nor do I have an unending hatred towards him. I respect him as a matter of fact. Most pastors, if they're honest with themselves, they would say, you know what, if I can have a ministry or a life of service, like he has the link that he's had, then I would say I'd sign for that. Most pastors would say that. Now, has there been some hiccups and so forth? Sure. When you find the one that doesn't have one, two, three, four, five or 10 or 30 hiccups, let me know. John MacArthur has been at this for a long time. He started, he started as a pastor in 1969. What were you guys doing in 69? Now, I know what I was doing in 1969. I was just kind of hanging out doing, doing much of nothing. Why? Because I wasn't born yet. And so he's been a pastor longer than I've been alive. He has been, and it's almost as though his voice hadn't really changed, but, but he's been, he's been at this for a while. What always stands in the way of glorifying God is us seeking glory from men.  Give glory to God. And he has pretty much been the same way in terms of how he teaches, how he preaches and so forth. That, that part cannot be denied. And he's got his admirers. One of the things that you would admire him for, those that do admire, you would admire him because of his stance on certain social issues. Most of us remember or have heard or seen, watched the videos of him going on, on different news stations, defending the right to be open during the pandemic. Whereas many people, whereas many people were shutting and so forth, he was, he was fighting it. Now, in hindsight, there are a lot of pastors that wish they would have had their doors open to, in terms of now knowing a little bit more about the, what we're dealing with, the, the virus and so forth. More pastors would probably want to go back and say, yeah, I would take that stand. No, we don't know. Even when it comes to dealing with certain social hot topic, but an issue such as the LGBTQ, and this isn't something new for him. He's been, he's been having this stance for a long time, whereas some people, such as a smiling Joe, would be willing to cave on certain issues or at least be ultra friendly, like an Andy Stanley, some folks who are kind of affirming this group now, because one, the Bible says that people will not hold to sound doctrine but have itching ears. Well, he doesn't seem to be interested in their ears being tickled. Who is contributing more to the moral decay of the society, the adulterous husband with the female wife or the loving gay couple who don't do that? Yeah, well, you're asking me to do something I really can't do and that is make a judgment on which sin is better or, or worse than the other. We've suffered in this country from adultery, divorce, the abuse of children, pedophilia, you name it.  Homosexuality. Homosexuality, yeah. Therefore, it's a choice. It's a choice you make. It's a sinful choice. Did you make a choice to be heterosexual? I don't think I had to make a choice to be heterosexual. I think that's a natural thing. Wait a minute. In other words, one is a choice and one is not. Yeah. So he was unlucky and unlucky. Because you're not talking about, because it's natural to be heterosexual. What do you mean by natural? Well, I mean that's the way God made us. That's normal. But if he doesn't feel that way, what is he then? He's not a sinner. It wasn't his decision. Yeah, I think it was his decision. I would love, absolutely love for the pastor to point out for me when, when in my life I made that decision. Now, one thing that I also appreciate from Ajama Cartha, by the way, I'll never forget this.  When I was on tour with the federal government visiting some of their better prisons in America, one of the things that I wanted, it's one of the things that we're about to kick off here in, that is putting Bibles and study material in the hand of prisoners, inmates. There was a, there was a brother who would come to the Bible study and notice that I had just a regular old Bible. I want to call it a cheap Bible, but it was a Bible that I got. Once I got in there, it was kind of raggedy and torn and so forth and says, you need a better Bible. Now, he asked me, you know, what type of Bible, what I'm getting so forth and then, what did I think about this Bible and that Bible? And he went and bought himself a Bible. When he bought the Bible, he showed it to me. I said, man, that's a good, that's a, he went and bought a John MacArthur study Bible. And I said, that, that's a real nice Bible. I was, I was opening up, checking out. He said, no, turn to the front of it. And this is it right here, this, this one. Now, this has been with me almost as long as my, my best friend while I was on tour, my, my, my prison coffee cup. But he, he said, open the front of this book. I opened it up. I wasn't thinking much of it. And he said, and it had my name. He bought one for me. And I was, I was humbled. And it was a John MacArthur study Bible. And, and I was, I was appreciative of it. I really, and I still hold on to the, to the Bible. Now, do I think that John MacArthur's understanding is the be all to end all? No, no, only, only mine is right, right? Only yours is, we tend to, we tend to lean more on the people that we agree with, but it's good to have somebody's commentary or hear what they have to say. As a matter of fact, someone even gifted me a John MacArthur commentary. And I understand the whole hubbub about the commentary. Truth be told, though, every, and I mean every commentary that has someone's name attached to it, the majority of it, if not half of it, or if not the majority of it was written or penned by someone else, but it's still from the, the kind of the, the parameters of the person behind it. I know of a couple of people that have their, have a commentary and it's just kind of what, you know, I'm going to take you actually to write a commentary for everything. Think about all the different words that are in the Bible, all the passages and so forth. And so I understood that. And to me, when I saw it, I pretty much dismissed it. People ask me is John MacArthur, he's a Calvinist. He also, he calls himself a leaky dispensationalist. Most dispensationalists would say, no, you're not in the dispensational car, car. But that being, that being the case, he does hold to a dispensational hermeneutic while also holding himself to be a Calvinist. Now, I, I, whether you agree with him or not on that, I don't think that should be an issue because there are brothers and sisters who, who are of the faith, who hold to other doctrines, maybe not Calvinist, maybe dispensationalist, maybe what's the new and provisionist, maybe Armenian and so forth. So, but in that regard, in listening and watching him, matter of fact, you'd be surprised how many men, because his, his radio show, his radio broadcast is all throughout the country. And because you're in prison, you don't get a lot of sound teaching.  You really do not, which is the reason why I haven't started smart Christians. But a lot of men in prison who were not used to sound doctrine would turn to MacArthur's radio broadcast and listen like, well, I like what he's saying. That makes sense. As, as a pair, as, as compared to being able to listen to, let's say a TD jakes or somebody like that, because you have that, you have a lot of people with a lot of bad theology that's also being pumped into these, into these institutions. And so it's just good to have somebody to give you sound word. Even if you disagree, at least you see how he got to this point. He's teaching you, he's, he's, he's admonishing you to hold to the text, say what the text said. He is someone that I do agree, who is firm in trying to promote sound in interpretation. We don't, we don't have a lot of that. But John MacArthur, at least, even if you might disagree with his conclusion, at least you can see, like I say, how he got to the conclusion that he got to. The importance of careful Biblical interpretation couldn't be overstated. It's impossible to overstate it. Misinterpreting the Bible, listen, is essentially no better than not believing it. Without question, without question, not believing it. You might as well not believe it if you're going to misinterpret it. And we, of course, we see that nowadays. We see a lot of people who have just gone off the rails.  Now, are there some things that I would disagree with him on? Sure. As a matter of fact, I've even made videos where I disagree with him on those things, but not necessarily casting him aside and we'll talk about something else also that I know you all probably want to hear about. But the issue of the blood, he made a statement. And now he's been called out. And by the way, the men that called him still hold him out to be a brother and a lord, but just disagree with him in terms of what he said about the blood. Now, I think that maybe he probably ought to fix it a little bit. I don't know if you misspoke or what have you. I don't think that you probably can or should misspeak on this without correcting it. And that is this issue of if Jesus was killed, could he been bludgeoned to death or drowned or what have you? I think that the shedding of the blood was important, not just the blood, but the manner in which the blood came about. Also, this issue of the mark of the beast, I know he was kind of given a hypothesis as to if a person were, could that person turn around theoretically take the mark and then repent of that mark? Well, if they were, well then, could they? Well, the point that we would take is by following that same hermeneutic is that the Bible says that those people will, there is no turning around. Someone's asking is the LSB, is it defined? Yeah, that's a, the Legacy Standard Bible is a, it's a fine translation. I've seen poor, I don't have one myself, but I've seen, I've seen, as a matter of fact, I take it back. I think one of these, the software, one of these has the Legacy Standard Study Bible, I think, but I've seen some translations of it. It's fine. I still would go personally with the NASB or ESB or one of those because of the scholarship behind it. I think it was a limited number of the people at the LSB from the Master Seminary versus other translations where they might have a committee of people, Greek and Hebrew scholars in Hermetic and so forth, who don't have the same doctrine, the same theological stance, and they're just going to hold themselves to the text, what this word means. If I were a non-Christian reading Greek, how would I take this? A non- Christian reading Hebrew, if I was an Armenian reading, if I was a Calvinist reading, if I whatever. And so I think those are the better, the more scholarship approved study Bibles or translations, I should say, but there's nothing wrong with that at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Now there have been some people that have impugned him from having that and then from also before the NASB and the ESB and so forth, but all of that in the Grants and Things is not a big issue to me. I'm going to tell you why in a second. Now what I say that his overall record as a pastor is pretty good, I would say so. Now are there some things that we need to look at? Sure, sure, but overall, yeah. Now inevitably every leader has a felony in at least one area, but truth be told, in multiple areas. In multiple areas. Why do I say that?  That means me. Every single person in the chat, you have a blind spot. Every pastor does. And here's a here's the truth. Every pastor or no pastor gets past, gets past his blind spots, all of them totally.  Could you imagine that some pastors die as a pastor or having having stopped being a pastor and there are some glaring issues, some mistakes, some things that you know what that either even when they quit or the other side of heaven realize that you know what I was wrong on that and held to their guns even when being told or confronted with the truth. Every last pastor has that happen to them. As a matter of fact, every last human being has it.  Now, James puts it this way. He says, let not many of you become teachers, my brother, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is perfect able to bridle the whole body as well. Who do you know that's like that? I know nobody, nobody.  Is he not or whatever? That's not the point. That's not the issue. As a matter of fact, I had a conversation with a person who had an issue with Calvinists or a person who was a Calvinist. And then as we're sitting and having a conversation, the person, his only issue was that he was a Calvinist, but didn't understand why the person or why Calvinism is good or bad. This person was just as bad at expressing his doctrine as some of these other heretics that we see out here.  Because what we end up doing sometimes is we end up judging people because they're not like us. Tell me someone why a Calvinist cannot be saved. Tell me why an Armenian can't be saved. Tell me why a dispensator you can't. If all you have to do is place your faith in Christ, he has placed his faith in Christ. So guess what he is? He is a brother. Now I've said this before, even with the people who disagree and likely there are going to be some folks that disagree with my assessment as well. With my assessment of MacArthur or anyone else, I'd say this, be sure, be sure that how you disagree and what you disagree about, you're right. Be sure because to the degree, to the, okay, to the degree that you do so, especially in an unloving fashion, then I promise you God is going to deal with you. God is going to deal with you. And so, again, for that reason, I do my best not to treat an unbeliever like a believer and vice versa, a believer like a non-believer, just not going to do it. I give people a little bit of mercy, especially on the things that John MacArthur has said that I may disagree with, then you know what he gets, though. He does certainly get the benefit of doubt. He does get the, now does that mean he's get carte blanche? He gets a free pass? No, he does not. No one does. The only, again, the only person in the world that gets a free pass from messing up is me. That's the only person. You would say the same thing about yourself.  How do I know?  You're going to, no, that's just, it is what it is. It is what it is. That's how we are. Now, there are certain things that are game changers that, okay, fine. You don't, you don't get the same level of treatment for it. I see someone says about denying the Trinity. If you deny the Trinity or you deny that Jesus is, a person can deny the Trinity and not know what the Trinity is and they're denying it. But if you denied this key thing that Jesus has got, then you cannot be saved. You just cannot be saved. And so that being, that being stated, as a matter of fact, let me just say this. James says this, not James, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, wrong one, wrong one. James too, I went to the wrong passage. James too, and let me pass this way. For he who said, do not commit adultery, also said do not commit murder.  In other words, you impugn this person for that, but then we've got this about you over here. Yeah, but I'm not doing that, but you're doing that over there. Yeah, but I don't do this, but you're doing that. James is talking to you. So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment will be merciless to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. I didn't write that. James wrote that. Where did James get that from? He got that from the Holy Spirit. And so I think that we have to be, that doesn't mean that we can't also be direct and forward in how we deal with someone who is in sin or doing something. That goes without saying. But again, we want to be careful that we don't, for those folks that are against John MacArthur, that you're not, that you are prosecuting a case versus persecuting it. And even folks that, there are people who I know who hate John MacArthur. They hate them. But they'll say, I don't hate them. Yes, you do. Maybe you don't know what hate is. Maybe you don't know what hate is. And so there are those that do hate him. There are those folks that think they're Christian and are not. There are going to be an awful lot of people who are just going to be surprised at when they die. A lot of people. And so that's why the overarching theme of everything that we do, what we say, how we walk, how we move needs to be couched in love. Now, this is not about John MacArthur or about anyone else. This is just me speaking to you, what I know to be the facts. The facts are, you need love. We all need love. We all better treat and act in accordance with love. That's why you see this brought up all the time. How you treat someone matters. How someone treats you matters. How you intend, intend to treat someone matters as well. Now, that being the case, because I know some people are here to make their case about how great John MacArthur is. And I think, and I know there's people here that are here to make their case about how bad or how wrong John MacArthur is. And sometimes those people can kind of get their cells all a little cloudied up, whatever you, because again, again, if you think he's so great, be careful that he can do no wrong. Now, that's not on him. That's on you. If you think he's so bad, be careful that you haven't done wrong, because the same measure, the same level of judgment is coming back to you both ways. Folks who idolize him and people who demonize him. I think what, what I have a problem, one sitting down and listening to John MacArthur, I wouldn't have a problem at all. I would not have a problem. Would I have a problem going to visit this church? And I live here in Dallas. He's in, he's in California. I wouldn't have a problem going there at all. None whatsoever. And I don't think I can be impugned for being a hater of John MacArthur or for being some devoted fan. I am who I am. My former pastor, I've been able to critique him as well that being Tony Evans, the person who, who trained me the most, who by the way, who by the way, hurt me.  He did come back and apologize a lot later after fact, but I'd forgiven him before then because I understand. I used to, as a matter of fact, I used to see thinking to myself, this was as an associate pastor, not being privy to everything that the senior pastor was, was privy to thinking, you shouldn't do this. This is wrong and so forth. And then coming to find out a little bit more about the information and say, well, why don't you tell anyone? Well, because if I tell some other people, then some other things are going to come out and other people might be hurt or betrayed. And so sometimes a pastor makes a judgment call on some things that other folks don't see or agree with or even know about. But that's why there's a stricter judgment and comment. That person he has, that's why you ought to make sure that you're always praying for them, always praying for these people who are in leadership. Now, to the best you can, obey them. Paul says, I'm not Paul, the writer of Hebrews says, obey your leaders and submit to them for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief or this would be unprofitable for you. These people are going to give an account. They are going to give an account. Ultimately, God has the sheep back. Yeah, I said that right, the sheep back. Yeah, the sheep back. I think grammatically you actually, on that case, possessive, you put the apostrophe S on it. Yeah, the sheep's back. Yeah. Ultimately, God will have the sheep's back. All the sheep, God has your back also. But there are these shepherds, these local shepherds that God has in place. And so when they do wrong, God will deal with them. And sometimes they mess up. Listen, matter of fact, especially nowadays, more often than not, they tend to mess up more than they need to. But what should we do? Well, Peter says something. He says, therefore, I exhort the elders among you as your fellow elder and witness of the suffering of Christ and a partaker of the glory also, partaker also of the glory, that is to be revealed, shepherd the flock of God among you. Well, a lot of pastors don't do that. They don't shepherd the flock of God. Many pastors are interested in shepherding the flock on this side of town and then on that side of town and then over there on that side of town. And then let's also have a flock across the country. Let's have a flock. No, shepherd your flock instead of opening. Now, I'm not necessarily against multiple campuses, but it opens up a huge problem where you can't deal with all the people. Why not train someone else? Why not train someone else? Because the goal of the pastor is to train others underneath you to do what Jesus did, to multiply himself in his teaching. Obviously, the Holy Spirit, we don't have that, but train men. That's why Paul tells Timothy to commit this stuff to faithful men, men who are going to learn and who are going to grow. That's what you're supposed to do. Going back to it, he says, shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but voluntarily according to the will of God, and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness, nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock. And when the chief shepherd appears, you'll receive the unfading crown of glory. Well, that's what would happen. This is the word of God. He says that take care of these people with him, and there's a certain way, not lording over them, not trying to get some sort of gain, some sort of monetary gain. Let's make sure I got all my financial ducks in order. No, that's not what you're after.  You're going to have to give account for obviously what you do, but give an account for the people that you have over, that you're over. There are churches where it seems like everybody is sleeping with everybody else. Well, that pastor is going to have to give an account for what is happening in that church. Is he at fault for all of that that's going on? But if something is rampant, then we've got a problem. If something is rampant, then we have a problem. With MacArthur, and we'll deal with one of the issues that I know people want to talk about, but in over 50 years, spread out, it seems like it seems like that the level of scandal is less at least compared to most other pastors over 50 years. There's a couple of big issues that have happened, and maybe he is a privy to, maybe he is, maybe he's just staunch in his resolve, maybe, and we'll talk about that in a second because I know folks want to talk about it, so we'll deal with it. But that being the case, this is the job. As a matter of fact, let's just see, is he qualified? Let's see, because this isn't your qualified day one, and then going into the year two, you don't have to worry about it. You've already overcome that barrier, that hurdle. 10 years later, you don't have to worry about being qualified. No, this is what you have to be at all times. He says, Paul says, if anyone desires any man, let's be clear, remember he tells Beth Moore, go home. If any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work that he desires. An overseer must be above reproach. I think for the most part, that's John MacArthur. I do. I do. The husband of one wife, yes, temperate, yes, prudent, yes, respectable. Does that mean 100% no? Because then that means that nobody can be 100%, that no one qualifies it, but I think that overall generally he's respectable. Sure, I believe so. I believe so. Hospitable, yes. As far as I know, I don't, I've never met the man. Those that have, they say so, and so, or at least the over one majority would say so. I don't, there's always going to be somebody that has something, an axe to grind or something. So, so far, able to teach. I think without question, he's able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious. Nope, I don't think that's him at all. He, so he passes that, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money, as for, even though the person came out with a deal, the lavish life of John MacArthur, I disagree with that. I disagree with that. Sorry. He must be one who manages his own household well, I think so far, keeping his children under control with all dignity, but if a man does not know how to manage it, so I think so far. And then down here, this one, he says verse, obviously not a new convert, but verse seven, must have a good reputation with those outside the church. I think John MacArthur has a good reputation with those outside of the church. So, now they might disagree with him, but I think they still respect him. Corey, once a pastor is disqualified, you're done. If you ask him the question, well, we'd have to have a pastor for that. So, if a pastor, let's say, is not temperate, something's going on, he's just not temperate, something's going on, and, but he comes back around and becomes temperate. That's the one thing that he's, that he's off on. Well, sure. The Bible doesn't say once disqualified, always disqualified, it's not salvation. Once disqualified, always no. This is what you have to be at the time. Now, unfortunately, many pastors though, today, in that role are not willing to set down, to be set down. A lot of pastors don't have a leadership board where they have other people that will listen to them. And then those that do, they might be willing to listen, but they've got people on the board who are more fans than followers of Christ and not willing or desirous to tell them something. That happens. When I tell you guys, it is hard and difficult to be a pastor, it's hard and difficult to be a pastor. One of the reasons why initially, I'm not doing this, there's noop, noop, noop, ain't gonna happen, but I think I'm still coming to that. I think I'm, now I have had my own personal opinions. Would I put adultery in the same fashion? Here's the thing though, while I would want to say if a pastor has cheated on his wife or anything like that, could that pastor, is that pastor at the time while he was a pastor disqualified because, but then he repents he's changed and then wants to become a pastor again?  Now I don't have a passage to tell me one way or the other. I just have a passage that tells me what the qualifications of a pastor are, because what about the guy who did it before he became a pastor while he was in business or what have you? So there's, now if it's your desire not to be up on a pastor with that, then that's fine. And again, if he's not qualified, God is going to, God is, listen, I want you all to know God is going to deal with people. I don't want you all to think that people are going to escape God's judgment. Believers and non-believers. That's me. That's John MacArthur. That's Tony Evans. That's Andy Stanley. That's Charles Stanley. That's TD Jakes. And that is you. Being a pastor does not mean that you don't get judged. Oh, by the way, not being a pastor means that you're not going to get judged. We all going to have to deal with what we've done. We are all going to have to give an account. And so I think it is vitally important, especially for a pastor to do as much as he possibly, now a pastor has a lot on his plate, a lot on his plate. Now one of the things that I do have against John MacArthur, it's a big thing. It's a big thing. It doesn't really disqualify him, but it's a big thing. John MacArthur simply has too much hair on his head. Yeah. That's my biggest issue with, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. How in the world is this man 137 years old and has more hair than me? If I were woke, I would say that hair is racist because how does he have hair at his age? And I don't. I would say not fair, but it would be not fair for him because he said, he said, you could take the mark of the beast and be redeemed. Now I've heard somebody try to, or some people try to clarify that, that he, you know, he's speaking hypothetically that if a person were to take the beat, the mark, then hypothetically if they decided that I was wrong and repented, would they be forgiven? Well, I believe that if hypothetically they did take the mark and repented, they would be forgiven. I just don't believe that anyone that takes the mark of the beast will repent because the scriptures are clear. It's definite what is going to happen to those people. Those people have made a conscious decision. And let's remember what the, what the atmosphere is going to be like at that time. The atmosphere is going to be, you think it's bad now.  You think it's bad now. This great falling away, folks, departing for what sound, doctrine, sound judgment is. You're going to see that even more so and then running to something. When you leave that, where are you going to? And in that day, there are going to be a lot of people that are going to just, you know what, forget God, forget Jesus, whatever. I'm down with this guy over here, whatever his name is, this anti-Christ kind of guy. Yeah, he's my guy. I vote for him. No, no, I'm against Jesus. I'm against Jesus in every way. Jesus has me hungry out here. All those different things, fine, fine. I don't think that anyone that's going to take the, take the mark is, we think about this now. Then I think for a lot of people, for a lot of people, for them, it will be a no-brainer because they have no hope in Christ. I'm going to answer this. Let me mark some of it. Uh-oh, what's going on? Why can I mark this? Oh, I can mark it. I'm going to try to come back to some of these. By the way, what I'll do is at the end, I will take some questions. I will take some questions. Matter of fact, I'm kind of looking forward to answer some of the objections that people are going to give. Now, somebody might not want the objection or the rebuttal that I give, but it's okay. I love you all. I love you all to death. I love John MacArthur death, and I love every last one of you death. And so I'll do my very best to give you how I see it. Remembering, though, that the things that I've gone through, I think have placed me in this place, even the folks that have turned their back on me, that have stabbed me in the back and so forth, love them to death. Love them to death. And so I'll get there in a second. I'll get to where you guys want to go. Now, one of the things also that I think we all can appreciate is John MacArthur stands against some of the foolishness and the twisting of scriptures, particularly, particularly the charismatic movement. So how do we test whether somebody is speaking the truth? Do we ask if they do miracles? No. In fact, here's the strange thing, the people who claim to do miracles all have bad theology. Are we supposed to believe that God is authenticating deceivers? Are we supposed to believe that God, the Holy Spirit, has given miracle power to people who have bad theology, who misrepresent the Trinity, who misrepresent Christ, who misrepresent, in many cases, the gospel, and who get rich doing it? Yeah. How is it that these people who can't spell doctrine, who have everything wrong about the Bible, the Spirit is working in them so much, they can heal people, they can cast out, they can do all these things except read. They've got the gift of everything else, except for the gift of the gift of phonics. They have the gift. They don't have the gift of reading. They don't understand. And so that is, that's huge. And he's right on that. He is absolutely right on that. Now, there has been, and I'll look for you guys for your objections and for your agreements as well. Do I, do I like John MacArthur? I wanted to get my drink in, make sure my, I'm hydrated as best I can when I give you this answer. Do I like John MacArthur? Yes, I do. Would I recommend you to listen to John MacArthur? Uh-oh, here it is. Yes, I would. Yes, I would. Do I think John MacArthur makes mistakes? Yes. Yes, I absolutely have. One of the issues, and I covered it, the issue that the Lady Julie Roy's reported on about this lady, Eileen Gray. Eileen Gray was escorted out of the church because she would not get back with her husband. I think, personally, I think that the church missed a golden opportunity. Why is that a golden opportunity? The reason why it's a golden opportunity, because with me, with me, the best thing that I could ever do in front of people is to say that, yeah, I messed up. I'm horrible. I'm all the things that I've done wrong.   It's like I'm, which I expect, I expect you as a, first of all, I expect you as a human being to make a mistake. And then as an organization to make a mistake, the church that I belonged to before was Oakley Bible Fellowship in, in Dallas, Tony Evans Church. It's a much bigger church than, than, than John McCarthy's church. Do they make mistakes? Yes, they do. You know why? Because now it's not an individual, it's an organization. It's an organization and there's so many different moving parts and so forth and how you're trying to manage it, plus the word, plus your family, plus your sanity, plus the sheep, it can be difficult. And so we expect you to make mistakes. We really do. We really expect the pastors and the church, even though we don't think that they should, we actually do expect them to make, yeah, and Julie Royce, she does have an ax to grind. That doesn't necessarily mean that what she said was true. I mean, or was true or false, actually. The devil is going to have accusations against every last one of us. The devil is going to have an accusation against me and against you and all the friends that you know. And guess what guys? Can I, can I tell you guys the truth? In many cases, the accusations that he has against you are going to be true. He hates you, but he didn't have to make up, you know, the devil didn't have to do, he does not have to make up an accusation about your sin. It's true. You're pleading before the Lord about your sin is, is true. I'm guilty. I am guilty of that sin, but I'm also forgiven. And so I think that the church missed an opportunity by saying, and I'll cover that to David, but I think the church is missing opportunity by saying, you know what? We might have missed that one. Some of you all for me with the whole issue with Eileen Gray, where she was put out because of this, her not getting back with her husband. She, it comes, come to find out that her concerns or what her issues were were true. The husband was not a good husband. As a matter of fact, wasn't a good father. He was abusing her and the children physically and sexually, which is why he's in jail today. And so the church got it wrong. Okay. Now the church has a particular stance and sometimes the methodology might not be the problem, but how you manage the methodology might be an issue. There was a writing and a report that came out by a guy by the name who was a former elder who had some issues and felt like the church need to deal with that. And his words are that he was forced out. He had either retract that or to resign and he ended up resigning. Now, can I speak to how true that is? I can't. I can just simply say what he said. So I don't know why and why won't I do so because I don't fully know. I don't fully know. And because I don't, I understand what he has said, but I want to have thorough understanding, but it may not be for me to have understanding because of that. Now there's a couple of things that I, and I've done this in the past. I have done this in the past. The Bible says, and so now I'm not saying that people that haven't made a statement or pointed about this, that this is them, but this is for me, for me. The Bible says a fool does not delight in understanding, but only in revealing his own mind.  Wow, that's terrible. That's horrible.  Now, could there be more to the story? It could be. Could that be all it is? I don't know. It might be just as cut and dry as it looks. It might be. Don't know. Right now, it looks like, wait a second, we've got some issues. We've got some issues and primarily with the person who is over there, or I don't know if he's still over at the marriage and counseling and some forth or whatever. I don't know. Maybe that's a blind spot for the church or if this particular person is a blind spot. Maybe there's an allegiance to this person and maybe there should not be. Maybe the person who you thought should be conducting business is actually hurting the church and has gotten some things wrong. I'm pretty sure at the size of the church that the pastor is leaning heavily on his elders. I think someone said that there's like 39 or 30-something elders. That's a lot. First of all, that's an awful lot of elders for them. That's a lot. That is a lot. But hey, if that's how they want to do it, that's fine. I personally would prefer a smaller number of elders because it's more intimate. I can know them better. They can know me better. And we can hold each other accountable because what happens at the size of that board, there's going to naturally be some jockeying for position. That's what men do. We jockey for position. We jockey for the ear of the leader. You don't believe me? Ask James and John. Matter of fact, don't ask James and John. Go ask the other nine, not Jews, but the other nine people who were upset with them because their mother wanted them to sit on the left and the right of his hand of Jesus. Even they were jockeying. When Jesus says, I'm getting ready to die, what were they arguing about? Who's the greatest in the kingdom? So anyway, anyway, I'm sorry. That being the case, that can be an issue. Now, I read something about, and what did I read? I'm reading a portion of this article that was allegedly said by him. What do you say? And matter of fact, I'm not going to actually read this. I'm not going to read it. I'll let you all do it. And I've said it in, I think I did two videos, and even someone else asked me on another video what I thought. I said it's just unfortunate. Matter of fact, I did two other interviews about this. I think it's unfortunate, but do I think that he is unqualified to be a pastor? No, I wouldn't say so. I wouldn't say so, but I think you missed an opportunity. And it could be that I'm wrong about it. The possibility of me being wrong is out there. But even if I'm right, does that mean, no, I'm not through with him? No. Again, that is at our church, not the current church, but former church. There were some things and the pastors deal. Like, no, no, I disagree. I'm like, you can't see this. No, you're wrong. No, you're wrong. Well, no, that wasn't the reason why I'm no longer at that church. But the point is, though, that there are going to be some times where the pastor is just not going to agree. Okay, fine. Okay, fine. Then what's going to end up happening is that pastor is going to deal with God. The people might have, and it may be that people there might end up suffering. Again, that pastor is going to have to deal with God. Now, what I want to do and I say this because I want you all to hear this, why I say it's the one, the one position in America that doesn't seem to get a whole lot of love nowadays. It's almost as though that pastors have gone right underneath the slot, right? Used car salesman, lawyer, politician, bin Laden and then pastors. But can I just say this? Let me just say in the words of Paul, he says, the elder who rules well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. Now, he speaks about not muscling the ox and so forth, but they do deserve honor. Who says I'm surprised I'm not a pastor? I'm surprised. No, I'm not surprised. I'm not a pastor. I wanted, I wanted other things. I wanted to do other stuff. I have others. I had, I had too much of me in mind. I was trying to figure out stuff for God. I was trying to tell God how we ought to do things. And so for that, for that case, for that reason. But now after going through what I've gone through, after guys dealing with the worst of the, when I say the worst of the worst, I mean the worst of the worst, after dealing with the least of the least. Oh, and after dealing with the most of the most, I'm talking about guys who had a ton of money, a ton of influence when they came to prison and left with that same influence. People who just could not comprehend with all, you name those people, I, I have also dealt with them. And so it taught me to be a little bit more appreciative, a little bit more merciful. What did James say? If you don't have mercy, none will be shown to you. I don't care how righteous, how righteously indignant you are about something. If you are not showing mercy, don't expect it. That's why you better be right. Oh, no, no, no. You better be 100% right. And then on the other side, excuse me, don't get caught worshiping and following the person. Don't get caught worshiping and following the actual man. And we see it all the time. I love my pastor so much. If anybody says anything about it, if my pastor and my mama got in the fight, I'm on my pastor's side. Well, you don't want to do that either. You don't want to do that either. No. And so what we want to do is try to be as discerning, but you know what we all saw to be? Be prayerful. Be prayerful. And so my take is what do I think about John MacArthur? I'm fine with John MacArthur. Again, there are some things that I think he's messed up on, some missteps and so forth, but again, I have to, I have to. Now, don't get mad at me because I don't love him as much as you love him. And don't get mad at me because I don't dislike him as much as you dislike him. You have the freedom to persecute or prosecute or think or feel the way you feel. This is just how I feel about him. Now, I don't think that anyone, you're never going to accuse me of being someone that hates him. You're never going to be able to accuse me of someone who is just madly in love with him, idolizing him. So now, if there are anyone that has any issues, let me go ahead and take some concern. Hold on. Let's see. X says, Xeric's brother, he says, Corey, does John not violate his own standard? If he, if he indeed taught different than what he's currently doing, his grades would be A, exegesis D as a pastor and F for writing books he never did. Well, again, you find, now I've said this before about in terms, I don't know the whole issue about the books you're talking about. I don't know that. Are you saying his books or his commentary? The commentaries, again, you find the person that wrote the commentary, that wrote their commentaries, you've done well because everybody on these commentaries, they have a team. Matter of fact, now the publishers are going to almost, almost require you to have that. But do I think that he gets a D as a pastor? He may, you know what, it's possible for him to be a good pastor, but to be, to do poor in certain areas. Are you with me? There might be a pastor who's a great pastor who might not be that great when it comes to dealing with, let's say, emotional or mental issues. A lot of, matter of fact, a lot of pastors are caught off guard who did not have a full understanding or any today don't have a full grasp on certain mental issues. And so the people who are suffering who have these mental issues or social issues or physical issues, that pastor, that church is not equipped. And so because of that, because of that, what I give the pastor an overall grade, remember, we're talking about 50 plus years of ministry. And with 50 plus years of ministry, well, then guess what I'll say then, for the most part, yeah, amen. That, that's what I'd say. Could you briefly explain what a Calvinist, I'll do it real quick because that seems to be one of the issues in the chat.  They tend to hold, just think these five T's to total depravity, which I disagree with, means that mankind is so depraved that he cannot, on his own, decide to make a positive affirmation of faith to God. Unlimited atonement, which I do agree with, has, God, because of man's depravity unconditionally elects some, even now I believe that he unconditionally elects, but that's because he has given everyone a chance and mankind has decided not to, but that's a whole other story. Unlimited atonement that Christ died only for the elected, those under the youth. I, irresistible of race and those who, whom he has elected, they will, they will, they will come irresistibly. And then P, perseverance of the saints, they will last, they will be saved, they will be raised in the end, they cannot lose their salvation. So, if that helps. Should there be mega churches? There's nothing wrong with that, the very first church, as we can tell, was a mega church. The size of the church is not the issue, it's the heart inside the church. It says, Jay Mack has never, Robert said, never responding to any of his, to any of his sins. Well, not that we know of. Again guys, and I want you all to move away from this thought. I want you all to move away from this thought that everything even if something was done publicly needs to be addressed publicly. Now, with this Lady Gray, I think that she needs to be addressed at least privately. Hey, we messed up. Apologize and so forth. But publicly, no, we stopped that. Stop that. Because when you put something on, on, on YouTube, this chat, this chat is now public. So if you say something incorrectly, which by the way, by, let me just say this, some of you guys have said some things in the chats in comment section, either on this channel or other channels or other places, it's public, somebody other than you saw it, and you have not repented for it. Sometimes the way you speak to people is horrible. The heart, the venom, the violent, and you haven't repented for it, you still may be going to heaven though. So does John McCarthy believe in the Godhead? Yes, he does. He believes in the Trinity. As a matter of fact, he believes you don't believe in the Trinity and you can be saved, which is what I believe also. But let's be careful though, guys. I mean, listen, the one thing, I mean, can I ask you guys a question?  Let me ask you guys a question. Let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen or heard of a story of someone being prosecuted and everyone thought the person was good? Everybody thought the person was guilty. Everybody, by all accounts, all the evidence stacked up and this person was guilty. This person was wrong off with his head. Come to find out. Wow, we made a mistake. So be careful. You might be right. You might be right. And even if you are right, I still say in some of those things, it still may not disqualify them. I don't think it does. That's just me. And I saw that. I saw where someone, that's not on him though, but I saw that and maybe the person speaking tongue-in-cheek.  He's okay. So what do we do with that? Because, listen, don't use that to get caught up in the persecution. If this guy, if someone said something nice about me, which they rarely do, but if someone said something nice about me, do your thing, Jess Chet. If someone said something nice about me, every now and then, once a blue, I'll get a nice comment.  You know what I'll say? These folks, they just, they just follow you, courted. Okay.  No, don't do that. You can't do that. A social media conversation is not legislation nor excommunication. Social media has, listen, I didn't say, again, you, you, you're conflating the two. I said, he needs, their needs, the church needs to make amends to her. Do they need to do so publicly? They don't need to do it publicly. They can do it privately. I think they should. I think they, because in the end, come to find out she was right. They were wrong. Just like Paul confronts Peter, Peter never made a public apology. Matter of fact, we didn't hear Peter speak on it again. We don't know what happened. Paul, all we do know is that he changed his tune about John Mark. At the end of he's dying, bring John Mark to me. He's, he's now useful where previously you don't have anything to do with him. You and, you and Barnabas had a split, had a fall down over it. So I'm saying, yeah, if he's wrong, he's going to give an account. I'm saying, don't you trump his wrong and also, I'm not saying you specifically, anybody, don't you turn around and take his wrong if you think he's wrong and then you'd be just as wrong in the way that you vilify him or not prosecute, but persecute. That's all I'm saying. Now tell me where I'm wrong. Tell me where I'm wrong in us not being merciful. I agree. We all need, we all need to recognize how easy it is to see the speck in another, but fail to see, amen. We all have that issue. Again, that's why it's hard to be a pastor. When I say I'm praying, I'm praying. I am praying, praying, Lord. And what I'm really praying on guys, what I'm really praying is the administrative skills. I think I have the tolerance, I think, but you never know. Because I can promise there's going to be somebody that's just going to do something like fingernails on the chalkboard. Some of you young folks don't know what a chalkboard is. Go back and look at that chalkboard green thing with white chalk on it. You run your fingernails on it. Horrible sound. There's going to be somebody out there that's like that in the church. What does it biblical mean to be on fire for the Lord? The only biblical people that were on fire were the folks that God consumed with fire. But what they really mean is that they have a heart and a passion and that and a desire. And you say some, you don't feel that way currently. That happens. One of the, one of the things that we say, matter of fact, we actually say it religiously and that is our faith is a relationship, not a, not a religion. Well, it's both. Where does the Bible condemn religion? Now, bad religion, Paul says we ought to have a good or pure religion. There are times where guys, you don't feel like doing it. I don't feel like going through. I don't feel like reading. I don't feel like fellowshiping. I don't feel like talking to any of these old rotten, raggedy Christian. Nope. Let me go hand with the atheists. At least they won't hold me to standard. There are some, I just don't feel like it. Tell the truth. Shame the devil. Deal with your pride. Some days you ain't as Christian as you want to be. It is what it is.  And I love you, even though you're lying. There are some times, there are some times where you just don't feel it and, but you do it anyway, because I need to. I don't, I don't, I gotta go to church versus some days I get to go to church, but now I got to. Well, that happens. Paul says that we even disparate of life itself mean like, man, this is, this is rough. This is hard. Well, can I tell you the truth though? It's supposed to be. It's supposed to be. Now what I want to be, and I see someone in the comment, I want to be wise. I want to be wise in how I deal with people and how I adjudicate people, how I deal with sin. If a person is dealt with sin or if they made a mistake or if they doesn't mind, I want to be wise. Now, if it all comes out that there's more, that if it ends up being that John McCarthy has done some horrible thing, you know what, he's, he's got some, some, some, some, some, some Taiwanese immigrants tied up in the basement. All right, we'll deal with that. It happens. If we find out that he's been in Bezlin, I'm not saying any of these guys, if we find out some dastry things like that, then we'll deal with that. Okay, I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying, but since you, since you bring it up, since you bring it up, if there were some concerns, did anybody on the other side accept those concerns, those things? That's the issue. That's, that's, that's the issue, X. If, if I say, if someone comes to me and say, Corey, you're this, this, and this, and I disagree, and folks like, no, you are, and I don't see it. And a lot of the folks do, they, all those folks could be wrong. They could all be wrong. One in my defensive myself matters, but also in my prosecution or persecution, someone else also matters as well. That's the point. That's the point that I'm trying to get at X. John MacArthur is not the bad guy, the boogeyman, the wrong guy. He is not. He's not. And you guys, I think many of you are going to miss the boat and miss the blessing because you want to, you want to go this route. Now, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but I'm wrong for, I'm wrong for showing grace. Now, I'm not showing wrong for showing grace to a clear wolf. I'm not wrong for showing grace to a clear wolf because he's not a clear wolf. He's, he's, he's just not. I think John MacArthur is a man of God. Now, would I go so far and say he's worth five or five percent of whatever, whatever the statement was? No, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that about anybody. I wouldn't say that about anybody. But I get why he said it. I understand what he was saying. And by the way, when John MacArthur showed up, what conference was that? Was that the Shepherds Conference? I'm sorry. When he showed up, I was happy. It's like, you know, there he goes. Good job. I'm glad to see you there. I'm glad to see you there. I'm happy. I was happy. Now, how much longer is John MacArthur going to be around? I don't think it's going to be a long time because he's already in his 80s. Time takes a toll on you no matter who you are. Now, me, I'm going to live to 128. I've worked this out with God. I'm going to live to 128. The rest of you folks, you're going to die, you know, a lot sooner than me. No, I'm kidding. We're all going to die. We're all going to die at some point in time, including John MacArthur. So I don't, obviously, no matter how long he, he wants to, his body nor will the Lord allow him to. That's just the case.  I pray that God blesses him and his ministry, that God blesses his family, that God takes care of that church, that God gives them many more. If they don't have any, then some Godly men, if the men they have there are, are Godly than more. I don't go to Grace Community Church. And so therefore, I don't know as much, matter of fact, to be told, most of the folks that are, that are having an issue to say about it don't know as much as they think that they know. I've read an article, heard this and heard that or whatever. Okay, we'll fine. There seems to be, listen, there seems to be some reason why the overwhelming majority of the people there are still there. And so, yeah, you know what, you might be right. Maybe I could ask those people about John MacArthur. But then what if I ask some other people about them, about who's Zorro and what if I ask somebody about them and they say, well, no, these guys are horrible. Do you think there's somebody that, see, that's not how we do things, guys. And I wish you, I wish you guys would learn this from me. Just learn this from me. That's not how we do things. That's not how we do things. Matter of fact, wait a second. All right. Okay. Okay. Coffee time. I have something to say. I got something to say. So Bob is a bad guy. Bob is a bad guy because Frank said so. I'm not sure if Frank is telling the truth, but Mary and Tony agree. If I go to Mary and Tony and say, hey, what do you think about Bob? Yeah, he's horrible. But I've got five or 10 other people that say, yeah, but wait a second.  So what you end up doing is you end up trying to figure out who's, who to give way to in terms of what they've said, in terms of who to give way to that based on what they've said. Now I don't know who said what, how to say it because now it becomes hearsay. It becomes, she feels that way. They feel that way. Well, what about them? Well, these people are also just as bad. So what do I have if I've got someone who is, now I'm not saying any of these people are. I'm not saying I'm just, I'm just giving a, for instance, because I've seen it happen. I've, where this person who's on the stand giving a testimony about this person coming to find out this person hadn't told the truth in 37 years. This person's a paid informant.  This, whatever. I don't know. I don't know. Now that being the case, I would be foolish to take this person's word over that person's word. Well, maybe this person that was speaking in this case, John McCarthy, he ought to say something says who to who I wish he would. I told you I wish he would because he doesn't. All right. He's persona non grata. Would I seek to interview Elder Han Cho? I could. I wouldn't have a problem with interviewing him. I really wouldn't. And by the way, based on what I've read from him, I'm thinking, you know what? Okay. I think based on what he said is true. I mean, what he said, I mean, I'm inclined to agree with the folks like, Hey, John, you're on. And I already think that they made a mistake, at least with Eileen Gray. I'm inclined to do so. But then what if we get a report that Elder Cho has an actual axe to grind as well? Now, what do we do? Do you think that there's somebody there that dislikes Elder Cho? And what if we say yet, we find that yet? Now, what do we do? Do y'all see it? And if you don't see it, I'm sorry, I can't be helped. If you don't see it, if there are some people that are going to also accuse the person that's accusing. So since I don't have the whole story on some of the things and can't get the things that I do know, again, hindsight with this person, as a matter of fact, another lady, okay, misstep and misstep. Now, what do I do? I still, I still like, I still like John McCarter.  I wasn't a prophet, but no, I'm not a prophet. I'm not telling you guys, I'm just, I'm saying it tongue in cheek. I'd like to be 120 years old so I can say I lived in this century, that century and that century. No, Michael, he didn't, he didn't address the issue publicly and apologize. Now, does he have to address it publicly? No, I think he does need to address her. I think he should address her. But does he have? No. I think if, if, what, treat the topic because it's out there, I just want to have a conversation. I honestly don't know how much longer he's around. And so I wonder, I think again, and by the way, if I generically say people that are too far this extreme or too far that extreme, you shouldn't, you shouldn't be too far this extreme in favor of John McCarter or anyone else and you shouldn't be too far on this extreme against John McCarter or anyone else. Wouldn't you normally agree? Now, if I say that you're, that you are not saying that you are, but if I say that you are one of the ones that's too far extreme, you say, no, I'm not. Well, now we're back to you doing, me doing the same thing that you're doing to someone else. No, I'm not. You won't accept it. Well, they want to, okay. So guys, all I'm saying is have some balance. And then at some point in time, at some point in time, at some point in time, God will take care of these things. God will shake it out. But it is not unless the person is, now where I draw the line at, this is me personally, where I draw the line at, if the person is putting out rank heresy. Yeah, if someone has twists and scriptures, that's different. So yes, Jennifer, I've, matter of fact, I did a video on that, Jennifer, about the Mark of the Beast and why I mentioned it briefly earlier today as well. Do you think that they idolize John at the Shepherds Conference? Some people do. Some people do idolize. Listen, without a question, some people idolize John McCarter. Some people idolize T.D. Jakes. Some people idolize Tony Evans. Some people idolize Charles Stanley. Some people idolize Adrian Riders. He's passed away. Some people idolize a lot of people. And so, yeah, there are some that do. There are some that do. I don't know. But see, now what we're doing is, what we're doing now is, let's find everything wrong with everybody that's also associated with him. I'm not doing that. I'm not, you know, he had a cousin that ran a red light.  So now, now we've got to go back and impugn everybody off again. Samuel, we can't trust anything that Samuel said or did because of his sons. I'm not, I'm not doing that. You can't listen. You can do that, guys. You can do that. You can do that. I'm not. Yeah, Michael, he owes her apology. But give me, when you say he owes her a public or he owes the public something. Give me, give me the passage that says so. Give me the passage that says so. So, wait a minute, that can't be true. Some people idolize court. No, listen, listen, I wish, I kind of wish it were the case. No, I'm kidding. But that's not, that's not, that's not. What's the difference between, good point, between honor and idolization? How can you tell the difference when you can, when you can see that the person can do no wrong? When the person can do no wrong, that's idolizing. Now, the flip side, if the person can do no, can do no right. Or just as bad if the person does right and you want to slap him for it. Yeah, but, yeah, but when you do this, and I'm gonna make some folks mad, but if the name John MacArthur wrangles you, get you upset. Let's put John MacArthur aside and now we're gonna deal with you. And there's an issue with you. There's not a person out there, if you said their name, that I'm bothered by. Not one.   Definitely your 50s, maybe your 60s. Now, can you call his name that doesn't wrangle me? You know why? Because I don't have to deal with him. He's not, he's not my problem. Now, I'm gonna keep preaching the gospel, but I, this is what I recognize guys, the overwhelming majority of people are going to disregard what we're saying. So I don't get too bothered when they don't. I know it already. The overwhelming majority of people that call themselves Christians are going to do the exact same thing. So I don't get too bothered. My, my, my heart goes out for people to hear this, but that's fine. One plants, another waters, but ultimately God gives the increase of balls, not in my hand. So I don't have to, I don't have to be upset because this person didn't face the face of faith in Christ. Now, let me ask you guys a question. Do y'all remember? Oh, come on thing. There it is. Do y'all remember back in the 80s, back in the 80s, mid 80s, really the early 80s, the early 80s, 83, 80. Matter of fact, definitely 83. There was a guy who seemed like everybody idolized this guy. This guy could do no wrong. Of course it was pretty corny. This guy would wear one glove. This guy would wear his pants a little too short. He would wear these little sparkly socks because his pants were short. They would, they would show he had these little penny loafers. That guy, that guy, they idolized him so much that even if you were an, a, an imitator, if you, you had guys that would pretend to be Michael Jackson with the curl and everything, the glasses and so forth and people followed that prayer. That guy was idolized so much. People like just breathing heavy and so forth. Yeah, Nathan. Yeah. Now, where Michael Jackson went wrong was when he left Indiana, went to California. That, that never good thing to do, leave Indiana, go to California, but that'd be the case. So you had that. So we know what, we know what it looks like today. We saw people who would idolize Obama. We saw people that would idolize Trump. I don't think anybody actually idolizes Biden. I'm pretty sure they don't. They just hate Trump, but we've seen that before. We've got folks that idolize Reagan. We've got people that idolize people today and they say, I don't idolize them. Well, the person can do no wrong. You defend them at all costs. Or if you hate the person or persecute the person at all costs. Not me. Not me. So now, but Corey, wait a second. Haven't you called out so-and-so four, five, six times? Sure. You mentioned her name. Doesn't bother me. I'm good. Because I'm not calling out, I'm calling out what they're, what they're teaching the doctrine. So trying to get into someone's heart. And if I'm, if I'm right again, persecute your cause as best you can or you want to, but you better be right. That's all. Do you know how I know we have a problem? And then we'll get ready to end. But do you know how I know we have a problem on both sides? There are people who are bothered at me for not being as bothered at, at, uh, John MacArthur as they are. You have a problem. If you're bothered, if you're upset with me for not being as upset as you are about him, you also have a problem. Forget John MacArthur for a second. You have a problem.   Sometimes when we look at other people, we, we should be able to see our issues as well. And that's, that's kind of where I want to be. Why today there's no, you said your problem is why today? What's wrong with today? I should, should I have done it on, on, on, on Tuesday or next week, next month? When should I, when should I have covered it? J Mac is going to heaven period. I would probably tend to agree. I mean there's, I don't know for sure. Don't know for sure. But I would, I would say probably so the way, the way it looks, I would say so. We can't make the mistake of saying he's billy sound. So we overlook sin. He may have committed. We have to wait. We do, we do. And I've said, listen, I've, I've called it out. I've said what I, what I disagree with. I think it's wrong and so forth. And you know what I've done? Move done. Mood. That's it. I don't, I'm, I'm trying to, I don't understand why you're asking what the topic, why the topic today? What it, was it, is it something wrong with today? It wasn't, wasn't, nothing, nothing stirred this up. Nothing got this going. I've got a list of things. I said, I'm going to cover these things. So, and I was going to do, I did, I did the truth about Vodibacca about a year or so ago. My intention was to do the truth about these different people who others respect. I couldn't do a short one on John MacArthur. I couldn't. The one about Vodibacca was about five or six minutes long. I couldn't do that one today. I couldn't, I couldn't do that. So, there's, there's no real reason. There's no ulterior motives. There's nothing, nothing. Hold on. Hold on. Let's see this. All right. Look, John MacArthur, this is, John MacArthur teaches, preaches the false gospel. He's a, he's a, okay. See, this is where, this is, you're, you're on the wrong channel because here you've got to earn a statement. I would prefer that you do. I would prefer that you do. What, what's the false gospel he preaches?  Would I go to Gray's Community Church? Well, it, it, well, see, that's why you can't answer a question because that would affect me personally. Now I've got some skin in the game. It's like the guy that jumped on my daughter or did something to violate my daughter. Could, could I, could I sit on the, on the bus right beside him? No. Could you? Yes. Why? See, what we do sometimes is we, we, we want to make the emotional argument and then that governs, that would be hard for me. I mean, I, let's not treat my, I look at my daughters as though they're gold. Now, do I, do I look at your daughters the same way I look at my daughter? No. There's a, there's four billion other daughters on the planet. I don't look at them the same way I look at mine. And so because of that, because now, and I want you all to notice, I've never said that John MacArthur didn't, or the church himself or him, because ultimately he's responsible, didn't do wrong. I, I didn't say that guys. I did not say that. Here's what's funny though. Here's what's funny. 99% of the people, no, no, no, I shouldn't say that, but a lot of people will, will, will agree with me and follow me. And then the moment that I, that I say something that hits your one nerve, I got disagree with you Corey. Okay. Fine. That, that's fine. That's fine. And I don't want to be me or anything like that or whatever, but you know, we'll be okay. We'll be okay if we disagree about John MacArthur or not. We'll be okay if we disagree about Tony Evans or not. We'll be okay if we disagree. I'm good. I don't think a lot of you guys are. I don't think a lot of you guys, this, I don't think you all are seeing this. You guys, some of you guys have a problem and I mean a problem. You should not be this offended.  Do you think I'm a fan boy? I've made videos critiquing John MacArthur. The problem is if you, maybe you feel like you're being critiqued by me not critiquing him. What, what is, oh, what is the painting of that, that is above your head. That is the greatest painting in the world. My grandson, three, we call them three because he's Anthony Harper the third. He painted that. It's supposed to be a picture of me. Yeah. It's supposed to be a, and it's not the, the part on top is not hair. That's my bald head. He had to make that brown. So, so, but anyway, see, I'm not for all of us arguing and fighting and this and that when there's no need to.  You disagree. But can we, can we still be brothers and I'll have a conversation with you. I'll have a debate with you and I'll still love you after that. You know why? Because again, you know what I wish? I wish that I didn't have all these cables if I was better cable management.  Well, I moved on because there's bigger fish to fry, which leads me to the point that I was making. I wish that a lot of you guys went to prison. That's, of course, that's a mean thing to say. No, I wish a lot of you guys found yourself in prison. I wish you guys found yourself in a situation to where you saw things a little bit different, you experienced some things. That's, that's what I wish. That's what I wish because I think you guys have lost track of what's actually happening out there. Maybe I'll have to get some of you guys as close enough to me and come out, come out on the streets with me. Maybe that's what I'll do. Maybe I need to go and get, get some of you guys going on the streets with me and, and share the gospel and so forth and see the folks who are angry, who want to kill somebody, who want to kill themselves, who are frustrated, who are down and out and then see how much this makes any sense. Does it, does it matter? Sure it matters. Sure this stuff matters and obviously it matters to the families who were, who were involved, to the great family, the great children. Obviously it matters, obviously, but to the degree, to the degree that I should persecute them that the way that some folks want me to persecute them ain't gonna happen. Every last one of the people in the chats has a certain thing. Has that, everybody in the chat has the same thing that I have. Everybody has the same thing that I have. Because you are in the chats means that you have a YouTube channel which means you can go make a video about them all day long if you want to and make a video about some other people. I have decided that at least no more than about 50% of the videos are gonna call somebody out. No more than, go back and encounter them. No more than 15% of the videos. Why? Because I want it to be majority teaching and uplifting. What's my biggest problem with Joel Osteen? He's not John McCarthy. No I'm kidding. My biggest problem with Joel Osteen is Joel Osteen presents a non-gospel. He presents everything as he says you can have your best life. He does not present the need for the gospel. You can have your best life. What he does is he's what Paul says is gonna happen that people will have these itching ears and will look for people to teach what they want to hear and they've gone to his church. So that's it. No I don't know no no no no no no no no no no no no no Joe. I'm not really saying I want people in prison. I'm not saying yo here what I'm saying guys of yo let's what I'm saying. I don't want you guys. First of all most of you guys you guys couldn't handle in prison, I'm just being, but secondly, what I'm saying is I want you guys to see the big picture, the true picture. I'm not saying that people disagreeing with you doesn't make your experience the way to be enlightened. Have I, okay, let me ask you guys a question. And let me ask you, let me ask you a question, brother. How you doing, by the way? Let me ask you guys a question. The people that disagree with John MacArthur, have I also said, hey, I disagree with the handling? Have I not said that? The issue is I just hadn't gone as far as they are. Well, that's not my cross to bear. I'm not going as far as you, but I literally have agreed on a lot of the things that you agree with. But how you handle those things, sorry, sorry. I'm just not gonna do it. No, I'm not saying you guys need to go to prison. You guys don't need to go to prison. What I'm saying is I want us all to get a better perspective on things. It's bigger than what we see. That's all I'm saying, guys. So no, no, you don't have to, I was joking, guys. I do not want you, I do not want you guys to go to prison. I was tongue-in-cheek. Don't tell me people on this channel can handle me. I'm just, so that's really the point though, Joshua. It's humbling and how you see people after being humbled is different than prior to being humbled. You know, the cousin of humble is humiliation.  And when I see some of you guys, let me just say this. This is the part that's bothersome. Yeah, yeah, I'll say before we go to prison. This is the part that's bothersome. Sometimes when I see the way that you guys treat each other, sometimes I, there's sometimes I want just disquieting in a godly way, sometimes in a rough way. When I see the way that sometimes you guys treat each other, the way that you treat people who call themselves believers, you don't know if they are or not, but some people that call themselves believers. When I see the way that you treat in the chats or I see, I might go and check out a lot of times, I'm sitting there at the desk working or at the church working and I'm on the computer, I'm doing some work and I just happened to catch somebody else who was on YouTube. And I see, hey, so and so is in the chest. And I see you going back and forth with the person, just arguing, it does bother me. And I wish that you guys would see differently. I told you there was a guy in prison who, he was the one that's pentacostal. One that's pentacostal, he ain't saved.    Yeah, I did. I did. Sometimes you guys are just so quick to make a statement and to something to express your opinion. I'm not talking about the doctor. See that we can make an assessment of because it's in black and white. But this guy, his name was Laxie. One is pentacostal. There were two guys at this compound, at Beaumont. Myself and him, we were like the two guys that were like the speakers for the Christian community. Me, y'all know what I pretty much believe. All of this has been some changing since then though, at that time. But it was not like him, ultra charismatic pentacostal or whatever. And all we wanna do is just share the guys, there's some guys, because you know what we said to ourselves, people aren't here because of bad doctrine. They're here because of a bad heart. Like us, and so let's go ahead and just share Christ as much as we can. Some of these folks might not make it out of this prison. So let's just share Christ. Now Laxie started coming to the Bible study. He started changing a whole lot of what he believed. You know what caused that? Not the super great teaching that I was given. No, it was the spirit that was in him. The spirit that was in him even when he had error. Let the Lord, sometimes you wanna work in people more than you wanna let the Lord work in people. So, and I say this enough times guys, but sometimes you need to position yourself in a way to where you look at the Lord as though you're unworthy, because sometimes we in these YouTube streets talking like we're worthy. Going at folks like we're worthy. Yeah, we do that.  Now I can't do anything to you. I can love you, hey man, I hope it gets better, but God is gonna deal with you. And because it's easy to be tough on YouTube, it's easy, it's easy, it's easy. I see the, and I'm not just saying it, I say this enough because I want you guys to get this.  Then I hear you guys talk the talk and talk the smack or whatever and like, okay, well, all right, I'm not one of these guys that I know some killers. No, I know some killers, I know some killers. And you see how they, it's different. It's different, it's easy. It's different, it's easy.  Because I'm not gonna be shocked if I find out that a lot of the subscribers or many folks in this chat aren't actually saved. I'm not gonna, why would I be so naive? But I hope you guys can fill my heart. I really do, I really wish that you guys will fill my heart. If all the folks that you wanna go after and persecute and be mad at what have you, okay, fine. Do you have a legitimate reason? Maybe you do, maybe you do. But to the degree that some of you do, that's unfortunate. Would you say, I'm from Beaumont. Unfortunately, you had to be in my city under the, well, you know what, Beaumont is actually a beautiful city. Beaumont is, here's a funny thing. When they brought us in, the worst prison trip ever. We had to go from Oklahoma city, the transit center. And they put us on a bus. And you all have seen these prison buses. You probably know it was a prison bus, though. And we're shackled, feet shackled, waist shackled with our hands to our waist. You cannot use the bathroom. Now this is, because it's a bus and we're making some stops along the way. It's about a 11 hour trip, almost 12 hours at the end point who's driving. Rough, oh, rough. But there's a coastline there. We pass by the coast. This is so, this is pretty poor off. I guess it was really the coast. Pretty, pretty. Never got a chance to really do some sightseeing. But Beaumont taught me. Beaumont humbled me. I was the guy. I was the guy who would say all these things. That guy, that, that guy, that, that guy, that. Look at him, he knows better. But you know what the Lord did to me? What he's, what, well I just hear him speaking to me. Later, if any man thinks he stands, take he, let's he fall. I thought I stood. I thought I would never gonna happen to me, okay? So now if you guys just listen, here's the thing. If you guys disagree with my assessment, what was my heart behind the assessment?  I've talked about the doctor, not the people, Black Dirty, Black Dirty. I said Black Dirty, Black Dirty, I'm sorry. Black Dirty. What have I said? I've spoken about the doctor, not about him. Now those that intentionally, and we know who those that are intentionally, who are intentionally, Twisting Scripture. When you say that you have pulled a snake out of someone's back, and we all know good and well you did not. Now what have we left to do? And by the way, those very same people, I've offered to speak with them, not just publicly, privately. And I initially gave them the benefit of doubt. But no, not now. Nice jacket, this is my, you gotta be 50 or older to wear this jacket, jacket. Yeah, I would not have worn this jacket if I had been in my 20s or 30s. When you get older, you can wear a certain stuff that you just like, yeah, okay, it's warm. So, all I wanna say guys is, don't forget to love the person you met it. Don't forget to love the person that, uh-oh, what did I push? Oh, I didn't push anything. Don't forget to show the look. You know what, I don't know if he said he, you would definitely wear it, Donovan, thank you. I have my style, I guess, is transcendent. Old head and youngsters, amen. I don't know if he says it's a literal or what have you. I don't know. He doesn't know, clearly it's not true. Clearly he even put a little x-ray with a person with a snake in it. Some folks fell for that. It does mark that. Prison humbled me as well. Getting shipped up the road, yeah, it does. It does. And so I try to bring that in whenever I speak to you guys about anything. The chats weren't good, just chat. And I apologize, I should set a better standard. I should set a better standard. But here's what's sad though. Here's what's sad. We were talking about another brother in Christ and it got that bad. I'll go back and look at the chats. Oh, you too, Ken? Yeah. He'll do it wherever you are. Now I'm bothered, now I'm hurt. Let's, well, you know why he is this controversial? Because he kind of is the biggest out there. Let me just, can I give you a, for instance, let me throw some names out who haven't said any, who haven't given out any heresy. But people are gonna be upset when they got, if I say, let's see, who could I say? If I say Alan Parr, he's one of the bigger individual YouTubers. Oh, he is, he's that, he's so, he didn't do it. Or did that or what have you? Okay, is this Dr. No, no, but, okay, all right. Who else? You name, so when you get to a certain side, it's easy to go after them and I get it, I get it. And what they say, what they do is out there. What would you all do if you found out that your pastor, who you love, did that? And it's like, no, I don't think I did anything wrong. I don't, I disagree. Anyway, I don't, I don't, I don't agree. Anyway, now, now, am I a fan of Joe, am I a fan of Julie Roy's? No, I think she clearly has an ax to grind. Does that mean that what she says is wrong? Everything that she says is wrong? No, I don't think that, I don't think so either. But now, do I think that her doctor, clearly not. So, he might be, he might be, this is legitimate concern, he says, one concern often overlooked in the name of mercy and grace is the sanctification of the one who may be in the wrong. We are one of God's means towards that end. And listen, if, again, if a person is going after a person because that person is in the wrong, what did I say earlier? I said, you better be right. You better be right. That's all. You better be right, you better know it all.  That's all I'm saying. And so, for that reason, listen, if you feel like I don't go far enough, then fine, I don't go far enough. I'm giving you guys my opinion. So, all right guys. So, I just wanted to put in my two, three, four, five cents. This is what I think. I think doctrinally he's straight. I think hermeneutically he's straight. Now, does that mean that we agree on everything? Doctrinally? No, no, we don't. I think probably I just got a lot of views, we probably do. Do I agree with maybe all of his tactics on at the church? I don't know enough about his tactics. Would I have handled everything the way he would? I'm pretty sure I would. I'm pretty sure none of us would. So, but overall, I'm still a fan. Overall, I'm still good with John MacArthur. Now, you decide if you are or you're not, clearly there's some of you guys that are not, but I do want you all to check your heart whether you're for him or not, because I don't know, I haven't seen. I'm going with chess champ. He said the chats weren't too good. And if the chats, because of John MacArthur, got you guys this way? Yeah, you might want to look at yourself. You might want to deal with you.  I could be wrong. But guess what, guess what, guess what guys, guess what, are we on good terms KS? I think so. I don't know why we wouldn't. Now, clearly we disagree with this, we clearly disagree with this. We clearly disagree with this, which is fine. He can be wrong. I would not go, I'm not persecuted. And I think if anyone, I am not going to treat the believer like that, I'm not doing that. That's just not me, not me, because I know me. I know what can be happening. I know what I might be doing behind the scenes or what you might be doing behind the scenes or what have you. Y'all think that just because it's not known publicly that God doesn't know. Has it, he says it's been right. Well, then we're going to fix that. Dog on it? Well, we'll have to talk about that. We'll have to cover that. Because it shouldn't be, what happens is this, people love controversy. People love controversy. But if I cover an actual teaching, what was it? There was one, I said, you know what? You ever did something that felt like, yeah, I did, I think I liked the way that I did that. Now, the folks that watch it won't be as many people. I can, if I do a teaching lesson, nope, now let me cover somebody controversial or kind of, we're here. Get this riled up about hermeneutics. Do I evaluate people merely about on right belief or on practice as well, but not as much. And the reason why, and I won't y'all hear my heart, then I'm gonna go ahead and leave. But the reason why I don't get too much on some of the methodology of what people do often, as much as what they believe or their doctrine, is because doctrine, I can judge the other things. I now step into the place where I'm possibly judging their heart. And I don't want to do that incorrectly. Now, sometimes you just see it. But God, a man goes on a killing spree, you know, his heart is open to be, we can judge that. So that's all I'm saying. I might be wrong. I might be wrong with everything I just said, but this is just me saying what I'm saying. And I'm saying, so out of love. And I'm saying for one, for the sake of you. And I don't, y'all know, I don't agree with just, let's be unified for the sake of being unified, no? No, so, but we are going to have to deal with this issue of the chats, of the hearts of the people. And if that means running some folks off, hey, listen, no problem. What about, what about KDevTrue? If you have something cool, I'm cool then. I don't think y'all realize this. I'm really cool with everybody. I really, I don't have even people that have made videos about me who have said things or I've said things about them. I really am cool with them. I really am. You might not want to believe it, but I am. If for God, I haven't blocked him, if he were to call me right now, hey, what's going on, brother? How you doing? Now I'm saying brother, in a generic sense. How you doing? Oh man, listen, let's have a conversation. If Isaiah Saldivar wanted to talk, hey, let's talk. Marcus Riders, brother, let's talk. When I see guys on the streets who are just doing some stuff. I mean, let me talk for a second, brother. Let me have a conversation. This is just, this is how I do. Do you, are you really? And I'll, sometimes I'll say it straight up. I told a guy, man, listen, are you trying to die? Are you dumb?  What is the deal with you, brother? And the guy's like, what? Man, listen, let me tell you something. No, he, no, Greg like never replied. I don't, I don't expect him to. Why are you leaving proper? Don't leave, don't put yourself out. You stay in the name of Jesus. I'm kidding. And you know what, Alicia?  There's some people, though, that have a gift of reaching the jerks. Some people have a gift of reaching the jerks. And so what I do, when I see a person, that depends on how they are. You can't just go up to any and you really cannot. That would be foolish.  Some, some people you have an opening to go into. Some people you just can't. I don't talk to everybody that's out there just acting. I would not do that. Would not do that. Some people, hey, I'm gonna leave you alone. Wanda Wooten, hey, Wanda, how are you? Yeah, by the way, I was supposed to have a conversation today with Jehovah's Witnesses. They said he'll be here today. I made sure I left the church on time to be here. Guess who didn't show up?  I would love to have this conversation with you guys cause I think what you're doing is you're hurting yourself and you're gonna miss heaven out of pride and ignorance. He said, oh, I'm sure. Still waiting. Today is Thursday, right? Yeah, he said be here Thursday. So I do love people's souls. I really do. You absolutely right. Cory's not above criticism. That's why the people that have actually criticized me. I said, hey, would you like to come on and expose me? Tell me what's wrong. Tell me why I'm this, why I'm that. Yeah, but I wouldn't. Okay, X, I wouldn't quite say it like that though. I wouldn't say that. See, I wouldn't say that about him. I wouldn't say it about the other people who have, I've had issues with.  Sometimes being the toughest guy out there will be the first guy to get shot, right? Sometimes being the loudest, toughest, the biggest, the baddest, the guy that wants to call it out. Sometimes that's the first person that's getting shot. The first person and all, who we gonna shoot that one? I'm not, I disagree with him on some issues and I love him to death. Love him to death. The folks that were mad at me because the whole issue, let me just say this. I'm gonna say this and I'm definitely gonna. The folks that had the issue with Seiko, they felt like I took Seiko's side. I did not take Seiko's side. I said something about both sides. He's just the only one that didn't cut me off, which I appreciate that. We're not kids. I can tell you where I disagree and that'd be that. So I give him credit and kudos for that. Some of the others, I know at least one or two, maybe three that blocked me. I haven't blocked them. Matter of fact, still subscribed to the channel. So, and I've told him, hey, this is what I think. I didn't say it publicly. I did say something publicly about it. Hey, I did say something publicly. It was cool, all right? I disagree, fine. We moved on. So I'm not out here trying to condemn the people that call themselves brothers. I'm just not gonna do it, which is why. Anybody that wants to kick it with me and my father, you are more than welcome to come to the table. So now I'm out here taking too long. Listen, I thank you guys so much. I want you to hear my heart. This is exactly what led me to believe. This has led me to think something else that I'm gonna have to address. And so, Jazz Champ, I'm definitely gonna address this. I'm gonna deal with that. Yeah, amen, Barbara. Amen, ex. Yeah, no, David, we're leaving. We're leaving. Guys, I love you all. I will see you tomorrow. We're having our Q&A tomorrow. In the meantime, be blessed. Share God's love with somebody. Amen, amen.


Now, President Mohammad Bahari has met with the three 23 remaining kidnapped train passengers of the March 28, 2022 Abuja Kaduna train attack victims at the Nigerian Defense Academy Hospital in Kaduna. The president visited the hospital to see the victims of the train attack after commissioning 239 cadets of 69 regular calls of the Nigerian Defense Academy in Afarka, Kaduna State's Northwest Manjuria. Plus, to be correspondent, Abila Darofa filed in this report. March 28 was a sad day for many families and Nigerians when terrorists bombed AK-9 rail track carrying over 937 passengers, killing some and abducted 68 victims. It was horrible, difficult situations for victims to spend six months and eight days in terrorist activity. They were subjected to torture and dehumanizing treatment. The hostages were released in different phases. Speaking of their release in Kaduna, President Bahari commanded the Nigerian military for their brave services in securing the hostages from Boko Haram terrorists and assured to tackle security challenges confronting the nation. Let me also commend our military. The release came for our country. As the remaining 23 victims of the March 28 Aboujah Kaduna train attack were released by the heinous terrorists, his speech was not achieved without our military. As the interventionist chief of Defense Staff Action Committee set up as a new airport was at the center of the development, along with sister security agencies. I say, thank you to our soldiers, officers, and gentlemen. Speaking, members of the Chief of Defense Staff Action Committee, led by retired Major-General Osman Abdul Kadri, who facilitated the release of the trained victims, accompanying the President, Professor Osman Yusuf said, Security of the country is the responsibility of the military and civilians, noting that all must play their roles. I have always said, security is not the responsibility of the military or security agencies alone. Everybody must come in and ask sitting at home and lamenting and saying government doesn't do this, government doesn't do this, God Almighty will ask us all, what did you do? That's why we came in. This is our country. This is our people. And that's why we came in to do our part. And we'll continue to do that. The fact that these 23 people are out is not the end of our job. Our deed is not done. There are many more in the hands of these bandits and Boko Haram, all across this country. The President was accompanied by Service Chief, Senate President Ahmed Lauer, Defense Minister General Salih Magashi and Cardinal State Governor Malam Naseer Erfai, among others.