Thank you everyone. Tonight is Monday May 15th. This is the more town select board. We're here in the John Hoagland meeting room This is John. I might be right here So we'll start with the agenda at six o'clock. We have public comments So anyone here with public comments? We are. So the three washers are not here. Who is our contact person? Who are you? Casey P. Care I can be your contact person. My name's Tom. Tom. So Tom. What's on? The ground, the work has been going forward. But there's been misleading information going on. I don't know if it's to you guys or what, but seeing that we haven't done the work. The work has been done. There's a paper from a specialist on our units. One, you guys didn't approve me as a contractor and I feel I really like to know why. Well that was done at the courts. I don't have that information, but I think some of the information that I had was they didn't approve your work because they had looked at some of your work previous. None of that part of the money. I build quality houses, I build a house in this town, well sought after. I build a million dollar homes from the ground up. I have an excellent resume. I did send to the town with big companies. I worked all over the south. The other thing they had to do. I think I said I didn't do the work when I asked the tenants to move down to that unit so we could do the work on her unit. There was this leading information to you guys in the courts, so I went and had that environmental company come in and evaluate that unit. Actually the outside seers are like, we're being held too.   I do see one of the outside seers is in hat fully code. I'm always in close contact with fire marshals. At that time, what I said I wouldn't work with Dick was because when I said I asked fire marshals, can you please note that that upperdat, which is now replaced, is not safe to be used and Dick blew up on me and said all you're trying to do is take more away from the tenant. All I was trying to do is get it so I could tell that tenant from the fire marshals only use that for emergency services till it was replaced. So there's so much misleading. I mean this paper says I don't have funding. None of you guys know what I make, but I have for it what I did. Well, I think that was the thing. They asked you for a budget. They never asked me for a budget. Nobody asked you. Frank, I think you were asked for a budget, whether Frank passed it on to you or not. I'm not certain. Nobody asked me. Insurance, do you have insurance? Yes, I am in short. I'm fully insured. What is the definition of a contractor in Vermont? I've been asking for licenses for years. There is no definition of a contractor in Vermont. Two, not only do I own a construction company, I own a company that does almost million dollars in sales a year with my son.  So as far as what I can afford when I can't afford it, nobody has asked me that. Plus, no contractor goes into a project without getting a deposit. There are several people that I asked Mr. when I gave my resume to talk to that. You guys well know Tim Crowley, Wayne Raymond, respective people around that I have worked under and aim for. And my father, for one, is well known to the team period and all of them, which works for me, is a master contractor. I've been building since I was 1351. So I have an impressive resume. I feel this was personal because there's a lot of misleading representation. Like I said, I replaced. Lastly, in the rain, we replaced that number two, the bad one below. Meanwhile, while I'm under there with JTOP cutting it out, the tenant, which I have claimed it out, and said that I would need somebody to come to represent because of, you know, I'm worried about false accusations and stuff. I'm loaded two toaps of full water on us while we're cutting down below. When I sent a text message to Harrison later that night, I didn't appreciate that. She said, oh, geez, I'm sorry, I was going through my recycling, but she don't recycle. And my debt were cut. That's a solid by law. I don't know what word in those flu is the one. So, but that work has been performed. That was not the area that was informed. I have, I mean, Unit 6 was written off for violation by the third marshal and there's a health certificate of that unit. Because we're just told we shouldn't have run that unit because it wasn't a, it had health issues. I just gave you a report from a company, an environmental company that is out of her own thing. That came and tested that unit for us. I mean, Dick has been also led into a lot of false, false things. Like they chose Dick to shower at low water pressure. What they did was the shower has a valve that so you don't have to flush the water. You can turn it down while you're soaking up and then you can turn it back up. They turned that valve down on it because when we checked that unit, it was perfectly fine. I am working completely, really tight with the fire marshals. I seem like the town wasn't, nobody in the town wants to talk to me. I try to talk to Mr. Vosper and everybody says, I'm only for the stairways. I mean, and so we're really confused who to talk to even though we're going forward with all the work. I mean, the building needs some work but we're on it. We have a roof contractor, both of our roof are coming in to do the roof. The leak actually in that outside stairway is actually, it's a piece of failed flashing where the roof's two intercepts that's dripping inside. And we're having another section of the roof replaced. But I feel this assessment of me is completely very wrong. Especially when I sent my resume and nobody asked me about my financials. Which again, they were not tasking for his financials. He's the one that asked me for the front. All I care is labor. I mean, I'm building a big house up on the comments right now. So I'm well known for my architecture. You both saw that too. So that work down there, that was done by other people. That's not my work. All right. So it's been a, this has been a long process. And it first started with the health violations that were imposed upon the building. And the health officer was asking Frank, all right, this needs to be done. And it went on and went on and went on until finally we had to take it to the courts. Yes. Okay. But let me explain this. Let me finish. All right, sir. At any time we could have condemned those units and just shut them down because of the work that was not being done. It's not what we want to do. We don't want to put people on the street. We don't want to put homeowner or rental property owners out of business. There's a housing crisis as it is. And that's why we are have been trying to go through the proper channels to make sure that it was done and done correctly. Because in the past there has been, I guess you meant it, more messed up work on those buildings and it wasn't getting done. The last time the mold was fixed, it was fixed by people painting over it. That does not fix mold problem, painting it over. And that's what led to us asking, we need a certified contractor with a budget of what they're going to do, how they're going to do it, a timeframe. That's all we asked. And there's plenty of record of that. Frank, Frank, the courts, you went to court and I think you would agree. That was asked of you. Was that correct? Frank was even co-pairing at that court meeting.  He was hallucinating. I thought I needed a UTI. I couldn't get Frank to answer proper questions. And as far as the claim in the paint was over the mold, that wasn't what that was. It was a crack that was filled with compound and some of the dirt was dragged into the mud. Just like they said, Unit 5, we're out of it for 13 years with a mouse infested. And they had a pile of Psyduck, which I'm happy evaluated because, one, it's away from the wall. There's no signs of ants. I believe it was sage. The tenants, we tried to evict two tenants because their lease were up. And this is when this all started. We had accusations of water running. We went there. We didn't have any. It was actually a shower. What it was was, Al wasn't even upstairs no more. They were using that shower and that unit not closing the curtain in it. It went down by the tub from a lot of ceiling and it dripped down in. I then worked with Dick and opened up that ceiling and showed him, even though there were no signs of mold, that there was a mold inside that ceiling. They claimed they didn't have hot water. We went there. We had the hot water tested. We hired Irvin to come in and it was inconvenience for them. And I don't know if you guys know how it works with companies. They don't give us a, they don't let us choose a time to come in. They give you a time. So we had to reschedule. So we had to pay for one trip fee and then we had to pay again. Yeah, the water did freeze up on the coldest day, which was back up and running within 12 hours. But how many other houses are there on the frozen? And it was an air leak in the basement. Yeah. So there is work that needs to be done in this one. We're just feeling nobody's working with us. And, and the tendency question is, So I don't want to have you pay right in two years. Let me propose this thing. Why don't you, Frank, maybe John, myself and our lawyer sit down and straighten this out? We would love that. Yeah, that's all I'm coming from is that you weren't in here sooner. What's after? You weren't in here sooner.  We've been in touch constantly and everything.  But it doesn't matter. We were reaching out though. We were reaching out and we were getting checked out at every corner. I mean, I don't know. So why don't we do this next Monday? Why don't we get together at 10 o'clock in the morning? Okay. Does that work? And if you could bring a budget of what you're going to do and what you're fixing, a certificate of insurance, that would really jumpstart the process for us. Yeah. And a lot of work has been completed. And then we can maybe take a walk over. Yeah. Does that, Frank, is that? You know, let me say that, you know, it's not in an old building like that, or any old building. It's very difficult to look for a budget. Because you don't have to put the problem list until we dig into it. All right. Well, I don't need as long to do the work. Exactly. Right. Go ahead and maybe evaluate. Let me just bring a list of what you plan on doing. And maybe, you know, in addition, after we open this fall up, there will be more problems. I don't need to know the real nitty-gritty of it. We just want to make sure there is a suitable solution, like for the mold.  That's good. I mean, that's what stops the mold because the water comes down. So we're on the right track. And I think, you know, if you can demonstrate to us that you guys know what you're doing and are willing to do it. And I think most of it is not so much that you haven't, or Frank hasn't known what's going on. He just hasn't really been willing to do it. We've had two on-bill and tenets that have been on-bill and will let us do the work. There has been on stage things. There has been mysterious happenings. These tenets won, maybe, the apartment a year with no rent. That one paid their rent, partured their rent to that apartment eight and had it paid in cents.  But the town hall is just as much out as my stairway is. You know, it's not a matter like we don't want to hire an engineer to come in and draw a set of steers that you easily make one out of code. You have the fire marshall come check it and then you're out the old one and you put in that, take one in three hours. I mean, I don't need a $1,000 drawn for that when I invited the fire marshalls and I tried to invite Dick, but then that's when Dick blew up on me trying to defend the upstairs tenant. But all I was trying to do was work with the fire marshalls so I can say legitimately, you can only use that deck until it's replaced, so I'm not looking like I'm trying to be, takes things away. You can only use that by fire marshall ordered for a group C access, you know, to get out in the face of a fire. So there's a two-way street here. I understand that. And I think you guys are being this led and that's why I agree with you today. And we're not looking for the Taj Mahal. You know, we are just looking for something that people can live in and be safe and healthy, if you will. And it's easy. Again, we don't want to be in this position. We just want the place habitable. And so let's get together. Can I talk to Monday? Is that the only time you can do it? Does that not work for you? No. What was good for you? Wednesday. I just want, I'd like to do it as soon as... Okay, thank you for your time. Once there's someone to contact Frank on a time to date that worked for all of you guys, like I said, I'm building a house on a common ground. We'll do that, but we'll do it relatively very soon. Yeah, give you a few days to get it all together. Okay. And now they can figure it all out. Sounds good. Thank you, sir. Great. You're welcome. Thanks for your time. Thank you, Frank. Thank you, Jason. You still speak with Ray occasionally? I do, yes. Okay. I've been in touch with him, but he was disapproved to oversee. Once he's... No, he never lost that. But thank you, Ray. I mean, Frank, we will see you some time next week, hopefully. Have you picked his decision for me? No. We're going to figure out a time amongst ourselves. We were going to do it Monday at 10. That doesn't work for John. I'd like to... John, because he's been involved with the project forever. Be there. And we'll get it. I have something going on Monday anyway. Okay. Are there any days... Any other day I think you'll be okay? Okay. We'll make sure. Figure it out then. Okay. All right, you can call. Thank you. Thanks, Frank. Excellent. All right, sorry. Good. All right. Just for the record, I've got Robert's iPad. Who is this? Who is that? Hello? Whoever's on Robert's iPad? You can just identify yourself for the record, please. Any other public comment? Corey? No, I'm here for work. All right. Thanks. Martin, you're here for probably the envelopes, the bidding later. So let's go ahead and... Can I actually put it on public comment? Yes, you may. Okay. I just want to say a huge thank you to the road crew for multiple town hall gardens. They look really... Yeah, looks nice out around the building here and getting the weeds and everything. Thanks, Martin. Thank you, gentlemen. So yeah, so with Charlene and Sam, Sam is this to you on the left? Hi, yes. I'm Sam Lash. Do these ever get a call there? Please do. You got a call there? So Sam, she's from CDRPC. Yes. So you're going to be talking about the M.A.R.P. grant, right? Yeah, absolutely. Everyone can feel free to post right up if you want. So I'm Sam Lash. She hers. I'm the climate and energy planner from Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission. Please let me know if I speak too quickly or if it's too muffled and I get slowed down. End of the day into some time. I get going. So feel free to just stop me. That's all right. So just a little background. Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission. Basically, Vermont has county structure but no county government. The 11 planning commissions were formed to fill that gap at least in terms of planning. So Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission is made up of our 23 member towns including four towns. So that's just sort of a little background for what the RPCs are. And I sort of manage the climate and energy program. I also work in health equity and emergency management and a little bit of transportation. So that's me. So the Municipal Energy Resilience grant program basically worked for short. Yes, I already heard it. Very exciting. So this was passed June 2, 2022. This is Act 172. It provides $45 million to remote dependable and sustainable connections to critical municipal services. So basically, Vermont has legally binding global warming goals, so remissions reductions goals. And they recognized that a great way to sort of reduce emissions but also support communities was by targeting municipal buildings and facilities with a large investor. So there are three parts of the program and it's really two central pieces. And I want to note that for anybody taking notes and anybody in the room, I will send an email, likely right after this potentially in the morning depending on if there's traffic or a storm, that re-outlines the program with links. I've made all of our towns a website, so it's really clear. So, you know, don't worry if you miss anything or if I go on a list, like you're going to get it all again in the email and it's also on the website. But so there are three big components. There are two main ones that I like to think about as phase one and phase two. And then there's one additional component, which is the community capacity grants, which congratulations you already have. So that is $4,000 to support Energy Resilience Community Capacity Building. And that can mean a lot of different things. That means you could use it to support your energy coordinator and, you know, have events and flyers, et cetera, to have an energy committee. You could use it for an event for, say, you know, residential weatherization or something like that. You could use it to bring a consultant to the town on a specific project. You could use it to kind of do a wide variety of things. And I have a list of pre-approved things that regional planning commissions have worked together with the Building and General Services, which is the department who's administering the program. We work for them through this program to support all of you through this. So we've built a list of options of how you can use that. And also I'm here to brainstorm about how you want to use that. So you can think about that piece as sort of separate. So the big two pieces of the program are a... The first phase one is free energy assessments. So these are bi-state contractors. So these are four municipal buildings and facilities. There are two levels. That application is going to come out yesterday. No, I mean it's going to come out in the next month or so. And so I have a list of things that we can do to get ready for that and sort of answer questions and we can talk about the levels. But before I do that, the big piece and why everybody's excited about this is those energy assessments make you eligible for sort of what I call phase two. $500,000 without... That $500,000 is for building renovation projects including weatherization, thermal efficiency of your buildings, and supplementing or replacing fossil fuel heating systems. Is that per town? That is competitive. So yes, up to $500,000 per town. Okay, thank you. However, unlike the community capacity that $4,000, they did have enough for every town. This $500,000, they don't. But if you do the math with that $45 million and minus all the other pieces off, we think it's probably 60 to 70 towns are likely to see this. Okay. Which is pretty good. It's pretty great. And if not all towns apply for that full funding or they decide to give smaller grants, there's flexibility there. Now I will say they are still designing that piece of the program. But what we can do in the meantime is get ready for those free energy assessment applications because you have to do that in order to be eligible for that big pot of money. And there are two levels there. Level one and level two. Now I am telling all of our towns that it's best to go to level for the level two unless you have very, very, very, very recently done an investment grade audit, which this building is in pretty great shape. So maybe that might be the case for this one, but it never hurts. So the level two does take a little bit more pulling five years of your electric bills, of your heating bills. If you have architectural plans and drawings, I have this list which is online and I can also run through the whole thing now, but that's pretty much most of it. And thinking about if you have any ADA accessibility issues, if you have any hazardous materials that you know about, is this getting this kind of information all at one place? And I'm going to tell you, it's not a bad idea to do that anyways. So you're not really going to waste any effort here. We do think that all towns are likely to receive at least one and not several of those energy assessments. So I really can't think of any good reason not to go for the level two. And if we're missing a big piece or something happens and we can't get that together, they're still here and we can go for the level one, which is just a walkthrough. So that level two is an investment equivalent to an investment grade audit like an ASHRAE level two plus because depending on town's priorities, it's also going to look at UD charging infrastructure placement. It's going to look at if the town's requested renewable energy generation and storage onsite, like where might be the best place for that? What do you need to do to get ready for it? So it's really the report of those audits are really data in and of themselves which will help you also apply to other federal and state programs that are coming down the line. Because we know that they're, you know, given the access that I've just gone through at the federal level, we're going to see over the next 10 years quite a bit of investment in the form of these sort of climate and energy grants. Can I take questions now before I continue blabbering on? So the level two, does that cover every building in town or is that just one? How does that work? So any building that the municipality owns is eligible. Okay, that was my question. Yes. So as far as I understand, town hall, library, town offices, fire department, and then the City Hall. Yes, town hall. And if you have others, let's add that to the list. Energy on it. I could cover the conversation. The conversation. Yeah, yeah. Excellent. So and I think it'd be kind of... The elevator over at the town hall. Right. So identifying these is really helpful to put that narrative together. So let's think, okay, everything goes super well and we get that $500 pay for more town. You can use, I believe... I'm going to say it's up to 20%, but I will double check for the ADA work. You can use 10% for administration, I believe. And I will send these all in the email and the website. So if the email, the website says a different number than I just said, please go with the email and the website. But I'm pretty sure those are correct.  Everything you already have, you said you want to do as a town and think about, okay, and pie in the sky, potentially a huge chunk of money, how do we match this to make our ideal project work? And what do we want to do for our community and how do we want to make that look? So you have a great building here. You might say, okay, we want to make sure that we have heating and cooling that's efficient and resilient so that we can have it as a cooling and warming shelter. These are the kinds of conversations I think are also really good to have when you're having this. It's not just about the data and the numbers, it's... How do we utilize this as an investment? Right. None of the words you said there match. So is there a matching program at all or like that? No match. But if we want to put our own funds towards a project, that's kind of the match. Yeah, and let me say that it sounds too good to be true. It isn't in a way, there is no match. But to be fair, some of these projects might be... You don't have a price tag that's far more than this. So it's working with us, it's working with Vermont needs and cities and towns. If it makes sense depending on the building, with the preservation trust, etc. We'll help you coordinate with all those folks to find you those matching funds. But this gets you a good chunk of the way that I've heard most people say. I know, I think most projects are really for Title I. Yeah. And you pin budget projects, different projects from your different municipal buildings all within the same application for this project funds. So you don't have to focus on one thing. Now I do want to say that they are prioritizing a few different things and who's going to get those project funds first. So that does include energy burden, that also includes geography, that includes the size of the town. So they are trying to sort of make sure they prioritize smaller towns, towns who might not have the capacity to go for some of the federal grants on their own. You know, more towns energy burden need is low compared to a lot of other Vermont communities. That doesn't mean that you're out of the running, but I do think it's important to just be realistic about that upfront. I still think it makes 100% sense to go for it. The whole point of this is supposed to be accessible. And we are here to help you. You don't have to use my help. Also, we don't want to be quite upfront about that, but we're here. And if you do email the building general services, you will get CC'd back to me. But it doesn't hurt to try. But I'm here to answer questions and support you in your climate development. You know, whatever you need. Sherily, did you have a question, Sherily? No, we've talked. I'm going to ask you to turn on the regional climate issue. I did them in remote parking lot here. And at that time, it was an energy saving because we also, the regional climate mission was awesome. So the idea is you can park here, then you can use the bus and go by. So it was an energy, and it was back to the local warming and such, but this plan, you talked of structures and facilities for the parking facility to pay to the parking facility part of this. So thus far, the answer has been probably not, but I will put it to them again. There's no harm in asking. It really is structure is focused on the municipal buildings, but facilities are sort of trying to include wastewater and some of those sort of pump stations. But it's no reason I will add that to my list. Yeah, sure. I'm Corey Seans, and I'm a library director. I'm part of the town hall committee, so I don't know what Sherily has told you about where we're at with that. But we're moving forward for the next phase of design documentation. And there could be a need for an engineering study done on the site. Would that be something that would qualify for the $4,000? Potentially. I believe so, and I will double check. We did have some language that was just going up to the commissioner to double check in terms of design and study and sort of what phase could count that $4,000 could go for versus that being part of the potential project funds. So I will definitely double check. It's possible. I mean, basically, there is no no right now.  And I think that building general services is doing a great job of curfewing effort. And they are absolutely experts at what they do. It's their first time working with municipalities. And so I think it's been really fruitful for them to understand the level of need and sort of the state of a lot of our town buildings and especially town garages and sort of so they are extremely open to being flexible, which is great. That's all you can ask for an administrative body, right? So I think it's always good to ask and we're putting questions to them regularly. So that's great. Thank you. And nice to meet you again. I look forward to working with you throughout this. And anything else? There's a bunch of library grants right now. So someone did ask a question to the Department of Libraries of how these two grant programs would or could interact. I guess the only other question I have is the Department of Libraries is probably going to be a reimbursement model that's not confirmed. Will this also be a reimbursement model or you don't know yet? So one of the things we did strongly advocate was for that not to be the case. Was that to be upfront? I mean, do you believe we did receive confirmation that we'll be upfront or they are trying their best and they think right now we will be upfront. So I think we're unlikely to see a reversal. Again, we're about a year out from that phase sort of being fully designed and then opening. So it could change. So don't hold against the wall about it. But no, right now it is not admitted to be reimbursement basis upfront. Yeah, there's a big thing that we sort of advocate for in those programs that are directed at towns. Yeah, you know, hopefully not anyone. The reimbursement is a big burden. Yes, please. Good to see you. So the level two is that phase one? Is that where it is? No, so we don't think that those, so the energy assessments are supposed to be available to all towns. Now they are supposed to be done by the end of this calendar year and the application hasn't opened yet. And so we have to encourage them to seek an extension so that there isn't a mad dash respecting all of your time and understanding that, you know, stuff takes time. And also, you know, doing four contractors across the state would be a tolerable. But we do envision that all towns who want them should be able to receive them. That level two, I should mention, also makes you eligible for an extension of this program, which is a revolving loan fund. But that's not part of this part of it. So we can talk about that.  But that revolving loan fund they envision will have, you know, a longer cycle. That's great to hear. If I could really confuse everyone? No, no, no. Okay, good. You've done a nice job. So the applications for this first phase of the 4,000 one or two grants will be within a month or so. So the energy assessments are opening up. You've already received your 4,000 share loan. Yeah, so you're golden on that front. You're the phase one energy assessments that should open up within the month. And I will tell you, well, you'll get an email directly. And anybody who else wants one, that's finally my part of the table too. I will email and then be calling all the towns again to let them know that the application is opened. That there is, you know, the list of stuff that you can already start pulling together to be prepared for it. And I will also be happy to help folks through that application as well. And then when do you see the next phase of the? Yeah, great question. So let me get my 2G 10 line here. So we expect these energy assessments. They were supposed to be completed by I think it was January 15th, but, you know, given the holidays and everything we were saying ended here. You know, we think that there might be an extension there. But basically the implementation grants would open in 2024. That's about $500,000. And those capacity grants at $4,000 has to be obligated by the end of 2024. Basically, the timeline after that is that the implementation funds again that $500,000 would have to be expended by December 31st, 2026 and project completed by 2028. So we've got some time. It's kind of one of those like, hurry up, get your stuff done over there, and then build a narrative and know what direction you're going in, and then kind of wait. Hurry up and wait. Hurry up and wait. I'm sorry to say. I know. I know. But provide for the $1,000 and be patient. Right. Well, and as I said, there's really, there really are so many programs. So for example, the states about to, you know, through the industry of commerce and community development, have three unit charging programs, right? Multi-unit workplace and then public attraction. So there's all these other grants coming out. So if you have this assessment done and you know where you want to put it, you know, it just makes a lot of other applications streamlined, right? And you've already had a state contractor through a state program, you know, work with you to establish that. And just, you know, it hopefully, my hope of these is that this will also streamline some of the work for other applications.  You know, so it really, I think this part especially is just really useful. That is the perfect timing. I agree. And some of that we've done, some of what we've done during the year, so it's an opportunity. And I don't want to step in hot water, but I know that we're trying to have one of my drafts. I drafted their enhanced energy plan. Not a bad time to look, you know, you're doing a lot of the same work and pulling together, you know, what you want to do as a town and how you want energy to fit into that. And we are currently updating the regional data and we'll have that available for town. So if that's something that you'd like to pick back up, that's, it's a perfect timing for that as well. I'll leave it there. No pushing. You can do what you want. But there you go. How many towns in the Central Vermont Regional Planning District would you say are ready to go to the $500? That's a very, very tough question. First of all, I don't even know how many towns there are. Yes, we have 23. I can say that we've had about 14 or 15 applying and received the $4,000 if that sort of, you know, gives you an indication. You know, been only to a handful of sort of select board meetings. It doesn't always, you know, different towns operate very differently. You know, some are, you know, want me there. Some are perfectly happy for me to brief somebody else and then, you know, where that's their preference even. So it's a little hard to say. I think, I would hope, my hope and my goal is to get every town to apply for these assessments and then, you know, just sit down, you know, and go through and really help folks once we have all that data in hand, figure out, okay, you all should go for these project funds or hey, you know, you four are perfect for this other grant or you four are perfect for this or whatnot. So I think that that sort of, you know, the approach will grow and change with that second case. So I can't give you an answer to that. Yeah. We have a primary power here, so we could probably be part of, you know, a part of something. But the definition of this facility, it's energy, it's certainly a facility. It's next to all of those that can be used. Yes. Is that something that might be part of it? So I will continue advocating that I think it would be great if the program would consider not only supporting, like, be ready until we're ready steps, but maybe comprehensive projects that would include, you know, installation and construction of those kinds of things. I think the general sense I've gotten thus far is that the program's emphasis is getting a lot of those baseline, you know, that there are enough buildings and facilities, basically, that need a full lot of weatherization and thermal envelope and replacement of that. Also, I'm not sure they'll go for it. So you should be able to talk to the representative of the facility and include the parking as opposed to just the structure itself. Well, I think you can absolutely, I think you know an absolute fit in the definition if you want to apply my answer. I think it's more about priorities and how they're going to prioritize the project. So I think it would certainly be eligible. But I would also say that because this is unmatched, I might encourage us to look for, you know, 500 pay of projects elsewhere in these buildings. And if there isn't, put that one up. But I would still absolutely support you and all in the town to utilize the other funding programs that are going to get you that EBSC. Perhaps even faster is some of the statewide and new, but different programs coming up. Yes. Yeah. So I'm not just here to support you with this program. I'm here to support you, generally. And there are quite a few programs. And I call Bronwyn and ACCD every six weeks and say, okay, you got my updated timeline. So those programs should be out very soon to get you that EBSC, absolutely. Yeah. And we can also, in the meantime, take a look at some of the sites that, you know, if there is a preference for sites, we can look at those and see, okay, great, they have three days' power or they don't want to use your panelists. We can do some of that right now. Absolutely. For sure. Okay. Yeah. Anything else for Sam? Sam, anything else for us that we should know? Oh, no. What's the name? I will be, I guess, within the years, this is very early, but within the year, we'll be reaching back out to all towns. If I don't already know that off the top of my head after working on this program with you all for projects and priorities in the energy space and where they are in your town plan, if they are, or in a draft of or whatnot, because the state of Vermont has applied for the climate pollution reduction program. So they don't get a $3 million grant per planning. And then anything that's included in that plan will be eligible for, I want to say it's $27 million, but it could be off for implementation funds at the federal level. So that will be extremely competitive. But Vermont is also one of the few states that has a comprehensive plan at the moment. So we are in a good position to potentially see some implementation funds. And my hope is that I'm able to put together some projects that would cover a couple towns, a couple of big towns. We have eight towns interested in this, 5,000 interested in this. Can we aggregate those across the state and then put them in for some implementation projects where there are common interests? So if you see an ask from me, please, if you don't want to email me back, that's fine, but at least you may call back. So I don't forget to include me. That's all. Yeah. So never bad to enshrine anything in your cab plan. We do look at it for projects. And so we'll see. That's a great presentation. I look forward to working, having the chair of the board and the chair of the working committee going forward. Perfect. If there's nothing else. Great. Thank you. Thank you so much for your time. Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. And you do my part. I got perfect. Perfect, perfect. Thank you. Absolutely. You do. No, I don't like it. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. We'll take just a second and we have greater talk. Martin, we're going to move up to the... So first, let's take... We have a greater position. I just wanted to let me know what they're in. But let's open those up and then we're going to All right, so the first one is from Jeff Slade. He's the territory manager at History in the area and such they're proposing a One new twenty-four Nets With a trade They're figuring out trading here. They're discounted cost is $44,900 They're giving us $45,000 for the trade-in for Nets Of 399,900 And this price is about a ballot for June 20th, 2023 So it made it 399,900 They talked about leases. They have leases up to 10 years Did they give you a finance rate on the lease? I don't know Martin, is there anything else you should know about this? I would definitely want to know Of course, but is there something obvious? No, no 252 horsepower This is from United This is for 2023 772G And their bid price is 392,000 Delivered week of 1027 2023 By a 515 Wing or cloud price. All right, so this might be where things will have to take a look at it It winged at $22,000, front harness at $8,000, and a plow at $19,500. So the mess that's on top of it. I spoke with Gretchen about, depending on where the cost got us, if potentially it's being the old plow, they may not overwing, they may not match up to the new unit. It's a very little USM, I mean it's used but not. So I don't, I just have to look at that. I would hope that it would include it and then subtract it from there, but I'm not sure. Yeah, and then there's trading allowance of $50,000. But I guess either of us really won't tell us anything until Martin goes through. Yeah, I mean if it's $392,000 and they had all those extras, it's kind of a wash. Yeah, yeah, but if it's $392,000 and we just take that off the top. I'm just looking real cool to know whether it says whether it has, oh yeah, that includes a 12 foot ink plow and a 12 foot snow wing. Gretchen knew all that, right? Yeah, it was in the spec sheet. It may be it's included and then it's subtract that if you don't want it. I don't know. Yeah, you don't have to check the contact. Yeah. So if we add in the wing, the front harness and the plow, it would, if it's not included, the base price comes up to $421,500. Okay. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. Minus. No, no. Okay. You don't have time to hear that. Yeah, okay. Tomorrow, yeah. Yeah, so now, take the time while you're settled and I'd like to just go through it. Yeah, so I guess I'll take both of them and make sure that it's out of bounds. Yeah, in fact, she was pretty detailed. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, she didn't, man. I'm gonna approve that. Fine, let's get her in that one. Excellent. No. Just set it to the next page. Where did the $335,000 come from? The original figure. Was that from Shannon? Or Suzanne? I don't know what was her name. I spoke with you though. It was originally O'Rough. O'Rough. $335? Yeah. $435. Yeah, so that's a lot more. I don't know what they were helping out. When she wasn't here, budget was like $404. That's what I brought to the board with the initial budget price that we're going. So, it's nice to see it come down to a team and it's a lot, but that's not any. But yeah, I think it was $404. That's the price that I brought in. But when she was here, I thought she mentioned $335. That figure came from somewhere, because that's her name. I didn't know when she was here last year. I don't read all our imagining any dollar figure whatsoever, to be honest with you. She said it only went up like $3 or $4 or something like that. Yeah. You're saying that. Yeah. Yeah, they had them. Because that's what we went on with the planning committee. When it was first started, we discussed it. We didn't eat it where it is in the day. Take a look back and see what you have there. We didn't even check the minutes out or whatever. But it doesn't matter. This is what we did. The original budget numbers that I got, what one was going to cost, was $404,000. That's what we started at. Right. And then, did she give you some numbers? Yeah, we did a bill. Because it's right on their website to do a bill. We did a bill that came in at, like, $3.79. That didn't include the wing or the fly. Yeah. It was a little complicated, but I didn't end up playing with it much. Because maybe that's right. Maybe the $3.70 or something. Yeah. And I do recall that, that the price off your 404, she said it hasn't gone up or down based on the amount. Yeah. Two months.  Yeah. So the scrap is in what they promised. So there will not be a decision made this evening, because learn has not looked at them yet. No, no, no. So these interest rates will probably change then, because this was only good until the 23rd. Okay. So I'm going to have to get new, and more than like, live interest rates long up again. Right. And what were your friends on the show? We had 10, 12, and 15, and it's at 4.69%. And this was the lowest one. The other things came back higher. This was 10 years, I'm sorry? We had 10, 12, and 15 years. Oh, okay. I haven't done three different terms. Okay. We're the same interest rate, but this was the lowest. 2000. Yeah. It was 4.1. Sorry? 4.1. 4.69. 4.69. You know, maybe Martin, or Sasha could give me a favor. And formal copy, I think it's the introduction sheet, or whatever, and it talks about some of their financing, with John, another cat. And if you could do that, or you know, give that sheet to Cheryl, and Cheryl, you could reach out to that person, and ask them about their 10-year lease, because I know a lot of John Deere, so they had seven, which I don't think would work, but maybe some of them had 10. And if I recall, right, the finance committee went on a 12-year note. Okay. Well, we got 16 years out of last one, so. And also, I played out and talked to John, I was trying to, cat. I didn't notice a delivery date in there. I don't know, again, I took, I was probably going to get up to 30 seconds, so there may be something there. Yeah. It's all the same for what's going on. Cat was over a year out of last month, but in for the talks of October, the cat for John Deere, and that's a different shutdown right now. So, either way, we need to make it through the summer of what we've got. Right. And so, yeah, so, that's, all right. So, I will look them over, make contact with them, make sure that things are working, yeah, things are everything. On a couple of things that bring up the basic, big sand. So, Donahue, as I reach out to him, he wants nothing. He doesn't even want to re-bid it from northeast. Reached out to Adam Stone. He went from 687 from Varen's to 850, and this is where it gets tricky because from northeast there will be tons, not yards, Varen's is yards. There's a conversion of 1.3 is what northeast uses as a conversion to yards, but basically a load. Yeah. So, a significant amount. Reached out to Grand Field. He came in back with eight and a quarter. Reached out to Bazzale, and he doubled it to some significantly more from northeast. They all came in like a doll or more. Why is that? Do you know the field? Is it further apart? Is it further? It's not that much further within the pole south area in Puerto Rico. Oh, is that it? Yeah. So, they're going to use more fields. I think is what they're planning on. Right. Timelines, it's probably a little bit further. 10 minutes or so. And that's the hybrid gap or whatever. That's the other plant mix, the winter mix. Yeah. I put in basically a half inch plant mix. Yeah. So, I don't know what we want together, but I didn't get from those variants. I'm going to jump to that and see what they want. They want to put in on it. I was a little bit disappointed. I was hoping that because Donnie Hughes from that area has his Adam Stone that might come in about the same, but it's later in the year or two. I mean, we were really diligent about getting the same bit now early. Right. But then we get the information we got and they kind of set us back. So now everybody's got work lined up, so they're not as hungry. So, can you mind going over those one more time? Okay. So, Adam Stone, who was second-line, went from, I think, 687 to 850. Grand Field was third-line at $7 from Varens to 8.25 from Northeast. Pizale was $8 from Varens, and he didn't give me a hard number, but he said it would definitely be double digits. You know, like $10, $9.50, $10. It definitely would be higher. Yep. And then the other one would be Barrett, so... In that division with the yards and the pounds, I guess, or Tonnage, is that 8.25? What's the difference between that and the $6 or $7? Right. No, it's going to work out approximately the same. Tonnage is probably the most accurate way to do aggregates and stuff. Right. The only thing is the potential is there, so let's say they only haul on rainy days for us. Right. We're going to pay a lot for Tonnage because it's going to be wet and saturated. Right. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, it's just... It's the way it is. It's the way it is in the game, but if it's not pouring, they're going to get into dry stuff in the middle of the pile and you're paying for what you're getting in Tonnage. So it's...  I did up it, but I didn't up it to these hauling yards and I did not up it enough for variance to go up $2 a yard. Like, I think I put in $0.50 a yard to go up and it's up $2 a yard. So it's... Luckily, we have a significant amount of sand left over that we're going to try to mix and also keep off to the side some stuff that's to be used in his hauling caster. So until we run this for a season, I don't really know what to expect. Come on. Yeah. I suspect there'll be more complaints of... We're not sanding as much, while watching this not as visible. You know, but... Let me pull this around a little bit. So what would you suggest would be... Should we reach out to Derrick's then? Yeah, I think I can do that. I mean, it sounds like Adam Stone was the lowest overall increase. He went from $7.00 to $8.25. The other one went from $6.80 to $8.50. I don't know. Grand Field is the lowest. Grand Field is the lowest, $8.25. Oh, I'm sorry, that was Grand Field though. But pretty close to even jumps. Yeah. Let's do that. And then we'll just pull the trigger on one. Yeah, I told him, you know, if they don't get... It's getting not late in the season, but it's getting later. If they even want to just commit to 2,000 yards compared to the suns, that at least gets us something in the pit that we don't have to haul. And we can get work done because we can do what we need to. I think the only other thing I had was... I may or may not have noticed Northfield came over last week and put up the Covered Bridge signed warning about the Covered Bridges on the mountain road. And so, probably didn't notice them because they're not that noticeable. You know what I mean? They just kind of blend in. So they want to know if the town would allow a solar-linked light on one of them. And I don't know. I don't know. I definitely need to ask before we get it to draw attention to the sign. Is it close to your home? The only... So the first sign is at the substation on the Morton Mountain Road. And then the second one is just before South Hill. So the one just before South Hill would probably have the least impact on residents that they were asking to put it on the first one but I didn't get it in the second one. Can we get sun on that second one? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I would say we'd give it a try in there. Right. I thought why I said that. And at least maybe possible try and see what... That's closer to the actual bridge, too. Yeah. Maybe we'll almost make more sense of the blinking closer to the bridge than farther away. On the substation, even if they notice the sign there's no place to turn around. Right. So it's a good idea. As long as we don't have tons of pushback we can just leave it there. It's causing some of the seizures that we'll have to be transferred to. Yeah. So what's the places that you think that was activated? No. This is me verbally speaking with these people. But originally it went out to bed and I just worked from the bottom up. So... Yeah, we had to approve these beds all by ourselves. We wanted to let them know where we had it and they just kind of walked away from it. We're not interested in it. Can I even offer it? They could do, you know, $2,000 if they wanted it. Yeah. Before Martin leaves do you want to talk about the overages on these trucks to make these reserves? Yeah, we can figure that out. So just before we move forward though, so certainly contact Barrett's and then whenever you go with what you need to do there we need to get that filled up. Sherwin has and this is something you need the expenses on the trucks and so we don't have budget and money but we have money and maintenance reserve. So I just want your input as to are these charges chargeable? I mean that first one seems like we're paying a lot for that truck to have two heads go. Yeah, this is I'm assuming this is a $22,000? Yeah. I mean yeah, no, I think it's I think this is worth a call so we discussed John's truck and we got it back this morning actually and so he's got his tires on, he's got the cloud frame off giving a good wash because it literally went before you know, we had a chance to go through it for the spring thing that says he's going to go through it and he's going to do some hauling and make sure that everything's going to hold up. My personal opinion is the first EGR cooler which is what this is I believe yeah that $5,000? Yeah, $38,000 or something I don't believe it was the EGR cooler I think it was the head but I don't know how you prove that and making worth the sweat board sending a letter to an engine that had reached out to the Navistar regional rep again and I'm not for back home this time the last time I spoke to him was when John's truck was there it was towed in broken and they wouldn't even put it in the bay to work on it until we agreed to pay for it and I was like what difference does it make the truck has to be fixed it's sitting in your yard fixing and we'll argue about who pays for it after the fact and they wouldn't do anything they're going to sign a letter of intent to pay and I reached out to the regional rep and then all of a sudden everything and it wasn't going to be under possibly it wasn't under warranty either and then contacted the regional rep and then all of a sudden it was in the bay and worked on and under warranty and whatnot so this was the first EGR cooler I don't know like he said and I certainly contact that rep because they seem to be with you when these guys are just wanting to charge it I mean there's no way that that thing could go like that I mean I can't believe and this original EGR cooler that they want us to pay for isn't even the one in the truck it went again and they put it in up there with the head gone with the head gone so the head is causing those EGR cooler failures but I'm not a mechanic but I think it might be worth drafting a letter to the region why don't you just first talk to the rep and then we will depending on what he says if we have to speak with him as well we'll ask him to come in and talk with us we'll see about say it's obviously a distance we're going to eat all one of our summer of these I don't believe we ought to should have to pay to Togo to get it up there either it should all be under warranty no it's a best buddy I don't know at this point we're holding all funds to them until we get this similar Sasha's hand in the check fleet this will be up to a weekend okay I agree with this one so in case, anyways we would have made a reserve fund money so if we went into the situation it's not killing but we can pay for stuff but if it's we need to make sure it's legitimate charges this is the 2021 so all the ones that are highlighted add up to this figure right here and that was another question for the board if they wanted to take money out of those funds because there was no money put into the budget there a little bit but not enough to cover this right no there was nothing to put into the budget no not this year I definitely budget is zero maybe this is not a total doesn't matter I'm pretty sure I didn't put something in there though sorry Doug keeping you up it's hard for me to know did you know the vendors like I think the 13 22 recently right okay this is all white okay so this is a cloud blade and a wing blade the 775 so it's basically wear items but the wear items is going through the roof this 1321 was a valve in its hydraulic body that stuck open so it wasn't getting hydraulic pressure to run anything it was under warranty I mean it's just one of those is that from the same folks that's from Viking that's from Viking so my question was the board was do we want to take because it's over $2,300 do we want to lose some of those maintenance and service funds over sure I think we have we can as a board could spend up to $5,000 maintenance reserve now go to approval and I think based on what we're running into I think it's probably a good idea to pay this bill out of that fund the 2021 the $2,399 okay so that's a four different bill but if you make a motion it would be this figure that we would transfer alright to transfer $2,359.77 to the maintenance reserve fund into a general account to pay for work on the 2021 Viking set up in such second thank you John for the discussion I'm out all the way over there but there you go I can't do that without them that's why I need you to go over that who found that's all I think because it was true I think if we had we would have that was good I didn't get out and walk it and suspect every inch of it but I believe it's good to have shoulders done or have a a score to dissolve which is unfortunate that I want the resident off of Hong Kong as a pretty nasty transition I'm a little disappointed that they didn't do a little better drop there but no it looks like they'll very need clean job as much as I know about paying the president job there's not much other than that thank you you're aware we did get a full grant for the village health to repay them it's been for approval Cheryl just got that so we can do that and I know there's I wouldn't hold off on that as long as it costs but we it's been for approval we just don't have the actual grant agreement we can't do anything anyway because it's not terrible just what I didn't want to do miss out on crack ceiling stuff like that just like a taco no it's a whole thing they give us a quote like for 60% so we can figure that out maybe it's next year let me do that I would say doesn't need it right just a second but she would obviously price I didn't think we were going to get it that was a classroom you know we're lucky on that because maybe you want to go for you know partial fix to it we decided to go for it it'll be a little bit more with the the mat or it's not a match but how much do we need to put onto that 20% but it's a whole thing being repainted so I think that's for fun it'll be well with it and I guess that's it thank you appreciate it thanks guys good luck so when are you guys going to start public work we have the sign the sign moving from the first station to the front of the shop is scheduled for when this week and then so there wasn't a lot of sense of movement in the excavator but we'll be starting this week early next week can residents request fill yes yes and just call you in alright I'll be requesting some macro from them violation of my hand hello you lose all what's that you lose all benefits when you come on because you're pointing out what are you taking next thing you know people will be telling us you want to crush gravel dumps I got crushed gravel dumps I just had a tandem truck dumped in my own fortunately he didn't really put it in the right spot so my excavator guy barely could get I don't know how he's going to get his excavator out alright thank you thank you I'm I'm are you good yeah I think so yeah because the other I'm sorry I almost wet sorry you have another one of those tax rates sheets that we made up here to see this so because we have um yeah so you're from Weinstein around here for just a couple more minutes we have a vote coming up on the grater and I think I mentioned last time it was asking what's that when's that I honestly can tell you I do not think it's a good idea to wait until 27th there's too many people they're going to be gone no more on vacation fourth of July is the next week school gets out on the 17th 15th no not for more time it doesn't more time gets out some of the other people should do it as soon as you can because people are going to be taken off and it's already a bad time to be doing a vote anyway for people to really vote alright so we need to do it in like 30 and 40 days right alright so we can talk about that later as we get out here so during that voting time you can also ask voters if you want to take any money out of the savings reserve okay and so I had Cheryl Lynn do well when we do our tax rate more cheap and at this point I don't really see that and we go over it later but Cheryl Lynn my question to you and then I'll explain to these guys we had last year's deficit at $44,171 wasn't most of that under receivable that we you guys voted to move the arc of funds over to cut the deficit that's why it's not shown up there that's why it's highlighted up top in 2022 no for this year at the end of last year we had a deficit of $44,171 and then I think most of it was actually it was kind of a receivable there were funds on even after our receivable so we still had a deficit of $44,000 no I understand that but then we had but coming into this year there was money that was to be reimbursed which we haven't received yet we haven't received it, when are we supposed to receive it it comes in throughout the whole entire year like with a West Side sidewalk we haven't received any funding because we haven't been being billed okay so $33,558 grant funds that we expect to get in the first quarter of this year is this your expected report? and what were your $33,000 based on? I was based on the the information that I got from you and I don't have it right in front of me so yeah so that was because I was asking about the $44,000 and we were trying to figure out where's our misstep in this $44,000 and it really wasn't a misstep it was just that we hadn't been reimbursed $33,000 worth of grants so I look at that here and we're putting that into the scenario for to be reimbursed for the deficit on the worksheet but we're going to get $33,000 with that back anyways I have brought that up to the two different auditors and they have always told me to have it always rolled into the tax rate but the auditors don't pay our bills no I mean you guys can do whatever you want I'm just telling you what they say I mean we're getting the money back I mean it's money that we didn't get last year it shows up as a deficit but we're getting it back to grant funds I mean that was $33,000 that's why I asked you the question I don't know why we were kind of it's totally up to you guys but it's not what's recommended through any auditor because somebody can tell you they're going to give you $10,000 in one year and if it doesn't come in until January 1st of the following year we need to chase it now we've got we've executed the grants and we've paid out that money that tells me that we should be reimbursed yeah I'm going to have to look at your $33,000 to see which pieces those are coming in on but I mean like I said that's going up on what they're telling us sure now I just I'm discussing it to the board to see what you guys think I just don't think to me it always has seen wrong on those type of things that we're getting reimbursed and it shows it's like Martin always talks about it with his budget and he doesn't see the credits and so it's kind of like with our budget but we know we're getting $33,000 from that $44,000 so I just don't see that we don't need to figure that out tonight but just if anyone could kind of think about that um otherwise if we use no ARPA funds at all our tax rate is going to be roughly 59 cents where we were at 51 last year just the municipal right the school tax rate we don't know we do know it's going to go up mm-hmm um so we could use some of the savings reserve funds or ARPA funds to bring that down um but if we were to share like a fact 44 20,000 per or 22,000 per 100 how many cents per 100 100 per 100,000 that's this $44,000 isn't going to make a big difference on the tax rate right because if you look at it in the first scenario actually it's in both of them so scenario one and scenario two it's literally two cents all right that's actually the question I was asking yeah so that's two cents so we would be over if we decided to not don't think if we will um my words um or we could also ARPA funds we could bring in ARPA funds as well but we know we're pretty tight with what we're at at that um or do we want to do savings reserve funds so you're just saying the 44 don't claim it $4,000 deficit $10,000 deficit and basically assume that the grants are coming in and that's as Charles said that's two cents on the tax on tax rate so it's somewhat yeah so let's think about that but Charles thanks for this title we'll try to figure this out um and we'll also try to figure a date we don't need to figure this out tonight but if we can figure out a date for the vote well it pretty much has to be a 20 Sasha do you have that information that I gave you on the dates? will we even have a bid though by that to vote on for the greater to ask how much we're going to ask for some random up to that's fine but then I agree with Cheryl and I would say get it done sooner and then we'll have to set it tonight because we're running out of time so we're what are we going to add uh 30 days 30 minutes this is to basically let me list the 26 any list no 30 days is going to be to the 20 21st 20 to the 14th 14th yeah to the 14th yeah and I don't think we have so yeah we could do the 14th and if we know exactly whether we want to take any money or not for the savings reserve we'd have to make that decision tonight as well we have savings reserve Cheryl would you have that I'm glad to have that savings reserve at the top of your head the amount that's in there 994 994 and what are you saying what amount are you thinking I really have not thought about that we know 80,000 is going to be roughly 4 cents I don't really know if it makes sense to anything Kelly Jeff 2 cents isn't that a big deal and I'm thinking we have in the next year the expenses that we have coming out I think that might be where we want to just spend some of that on yeah kind of a low I think we should just bite the bullet just keep it the way it is and just say that it's just the way it is you know I think we'll go crazy if you can just look into that 32,000 Cheryl I'm not sure I don't want to tell you something just let us know we don't have to we're not setting this up anyways every couple of months before we do that but I'm just going to look at something preliminary to see if there was something that we should do and I don't think so I mean for the savings reserve I was thinking more for something of a larger expense anyway to knock off 30 grand you're just going to eat the way and not really get much money you're going to like piss it away I know how that works it's only 40 grand and then you get to the wall a few times and we really got something exactly now it's like you're going to have something coming up appreciate you coming in Cheryl understand I know did you set that date or no we set it to 14 did we think that would work of June so June 4th that as long as Sasha can do the doesn't have to be on Tuesday okay so as far no the wording for the warning it's just for the greater just for the greater I just need the actual figure to make that happen right well I think 40 to 10,000 should do not to exceed okay is that how you want to get it out okay and if we're only going to have that one article I'm not going to run it for the tabulator and spend that money I don't know if you guys are okay with that it's going to take long on our end at night but if I can maybe get some help counting I don't think we're not going to get I'm guessing maybe two to three oh right if you got to run it through the tabulator for a couple hundred people that show up I don't think it's worth spending the extra money programming the tabulator how much is that it could be $750 it could be $1000 yeah okay yeah it's easier for me to have a room for the tabulator but I don't I really just financially it's wise we'll have Steve McGill watching your house alright that makes you feel a lot better so 614 and we'll have the polls from 7 to 7 okay we'll come in and count we'll draw straws for that it's really not going to take long but I'm sure Steve will be here when he's gone it'll be a lot of fun if you make it right we'll even get your pizza alright so 714 7 to 7 that's fine that's what it is Doug Reed we've been here all night for longer than most of us we actually need more money time you should pay more money to what oh but yeah we actually gave ourselves a little bit of a universe oh when do we actually when do we actually when do we actually I'm just a good member you're a question weird very often after we get our tax going to start rolling in yeah exactly otherwise I think my wife would forget so I was going to talk about drawing a drop off I think I took it I think I'm going to describe it which is easy to do I guess a couple of things I talk about I talked to Bill Reedy who was the education secretary because I was trying to get the hard union to give back the 70,000 and he said once you get rid of the school district we don't have a more count school district who owns the land because the name on the deed says town and school so all the benefit farms is town and school I think you should deal with that you want to make it in the town you don't have a hard union saying they've got any rights to are parking lot or anything I'm believing that the police goes to the should the let's have a lawyer look at it because it says on the deed Paul Gillis who found out all I know is that I looked at the deed the other day and looked up in the books and said school there it's one of the, you know, when they sold the benefit farm to the town it says the word school it was going to have recently when we were doing the grants for this building here we signed for the school Howard signed off on it they shouldn't have they have no rights there's a bill to send he's the one who got rid of all the local boards and they don't think now I asked him the day and he said well you don't have a school board so you don't the only land they own is the drip life you know they don't own that either the town owns that you need to make sure that so they can't own that and we own that we'll make sure we did the innermost grant they did the bus loop and the next hunk of that it's got to be more time the way it's, from what Bill was saying Bill was an education lawyer for 30 years he's the guy so he's unsure so we should be sure of that but anything we do here is more time there's some harsh derivatives when they're redistricting the schools we get rid of them does that mean they get to sell our school because they can sell them anyways just from what he said I was kind of surprised to say that when you go ask them as far as the regional funding which I didn't realize was a hunk of money but this intramodal grant which is not here to talk about the parking that was the chairman so that's why I knew about the grant and you guys, well John, back then signed on to it so it was possible and we were supposed to provide XNOR parking spaces and over the time, you know, we put a gate up the school built some stuff we claimed some parking spaces we don't have the space that we have so my idea was to create a drawn that gives doubles the parking and doesn't increase the paving so in the paving project we don't spend anymore for the paving but we get twice in the parking and then we meet the requirements and the person that there was a state lady who was part of it and it's pretty straightforward and I'm sure you map it all I did was to move the maps and put the lines on it so I can just describe it right here if it's okay so I made a little loop right there at the corner of Eugene's land I made them ask the bump there so that they could turn right there if we get rid of that bump then the drive-off comes straight in we did the drive-off when you do that you move the drive-off over it gives you another 20 feet of parking so we could do parking from the old town offices all the way up to the mailbox that's 20 spaces and all you're doing is you're allowed to take real flood plains so the reason this building is here is because they took the Benedict Farm Foundation and put it here which you can do because that land was already part of the flood plains so you can move it from one part of the flood plains to the other that's why we're sitting here that parking is in the flood plains so you can move a little bit here and you're not hurting any regulations so when they get rid of bad material and Craig's stuff that he did is great the school stuff is not great Craig said there's mud underneath that so as you get rid of bad stuff if we just put it along this edge here that's 20 spaces it's not going to be from existing equipment and because the idea is to get rid of the bustle which has no parking and the bustle is you never once they want to remove their machines on that and made it pump that thing is going to heat forever no matter how many times you fix it it's just going to heat and then it's a tripping hazard it's a loss that we need to have that's supposed to be a handicap access but it's not those curbs and all that stuff so if we just get rid of that that becomes a the whole loop just goes away that hump of paving it's not going to support paving because it was never properly done you can move that on material over here and then have 20 parking spaces here and then the other thing that happened if we put a line of parking next to Eugene's hedge that would be one line that's about 24 spaces then a double line and then another drive out and then a single line six feet off of the grass and around the hump there and when they're doing their excavation work that's nothing so just pick it up and then you get, so it's basically 20 feet for a parking 24 for an aisle 20 feet parking, 24 for an aisle and 20 feet for a parking when you do that you get four rows of parking plus the 20 here, that's 100 so we double look and it doesn't cost any more because you're already going to do the drainage it doesn't change the drainage at all and then because it was still drained the same direction and then you'll want to increase the amount of paving because you know we're going to pave the bus path the only thing that the school they're not going to have their buses enter to the far except they're going to dump off at the middle entrance which is actually better because there's through the wall ventilation on the school now the ventilation was into the classroom not a good idea and the kids and so now they closed off the fence so the kids are really going to fresh air in the classroom it's a bad situation, we're making it better and we're not hurting the drainage at all in fact we're probably helping the drainage because it gets rid of those little hunks of those couple of trees, two in two they go away so all the paving they just go all the way here so when you go plow it, straight shot just go all the way from the school to the drainage so there's no more little islands there to go around and the drain will drain better and it shouldn't be the same amount of paving so that's the drawing I'm putting it here but it's really there it is so we're still going to come in the buses the buses come in here but when they after they drop off at the middle entrance they're completely out of the way the rest of the people come in here and go into two drive aisles they're going to still enter not all the way to the end yes, they're entering the south drive they're just stopping in the middle not dropping at the main entrance they've dropped it from the entrance but does that hold cars and buses out not as long as if we make this here have two drive aisles here so we're going to come in here and have two drive aisles parking both sides then people can come in and park and loop around and go out so everybody uses this as the main entrance only the buses and the buses are way over there so they're not in the way when you go through the aisles you go around there and not be in problem I couldn't follow that on the drawing the parents it was like a circle so the parents come in here and they have two aisles they can park in either one or they can go all the way around the park and then there's another chunk of parking next to the corridor entrance and the parking will be there when you add it all up it's 100 spaces and it ain't any more people so I think it makes sense and it makes a lot of sense if you put some EV parking and they pay for it out of the grant right? it's because the Ridge Atlantic Commission when we're around there one of our jobs was to make sure you had places where people could drop off to park and not drive the cars around warming and all that is it? and the other side buses only on that entrance I think that's something we would add in buses only it would be different for them that cornerback there is never going to be solved if we repaid it we're just going to pay it again I've heard a lot of complaints about that and the parking space is wanting to free with any of the gravel wetlands or anything like that no because we're all we already have a lot of sweat playing in here it's just basically taking some of this gravel here that we don't want as a sub-base and moving it to the edge the only thing that Sharon Lynn was saying the trans closure there I got to put the trans closure there to get the power closer to the closer to the amphitheater sorry but they could be and if they are worried about plowing this won't change anything if they don't plow in the same direction they may plow more snow but we could extend the primary line to the school and just give them a right away from there they're going to dig that hole dig it to get it in there so that was the drawing I told Dr. Mike that I was going to be with you I didn't send him the drawing because I thought you should have it first because I don't want him to own it I want them to know that this is the situation that the 70 ran that move but Bill Brady said once they moved it, if you didn't catch it on the first year then it's gone so I can't prove it now because Irene came and all of the records are gone so I'll never get that money from that one I think so we're doing the drainage this summer starting a little bit should we add June 15 and we're doing the parking lots next spring so the parking, as far as the drainage this drawing I did it has no effect on that at all because they didn't do anything in the far corner and our guys are doing the parking lot so next summer next summer when they come here and when they're digging this trench they're going to dig this down 2-3 feet here and I made that little dip there which is all my fault it's going to be a bigger dip now a little bit of a hump because they're trying to get enough drainage on the paper all the way there so people complain you can see the muffler marks here with a dip here it's going to be worse so anyways what I drew doesn't change any of that I think it's a little overkill what they drew with some of the most paper clay so we're just talking about grabbing a little chunk digging a little hunk of dirt there digging a little more just dirt over there and using it where they come in they come and they there's a line of parking right here and then there's a 24 foot wide drive-out just like a hardware and they make the turn and then they go up there's about one for them to make you have an aisle and then they have a 4 foot wide we need to make it wide for a while so the key is the radius and then the radius in here so we wouldn't park all of it but it keeps them all the way the family and kids don't ever cross the buses so my thinking is you should have the teacher's park over there because they get them there then the parents are over here away from the buses so it's better than what's there now that's my only concern is that if the buses are exiting down the center aisle but it's going to be a sight they won't go that often the hard thing I did the plan for a weeks as soon as they park the bus they bring out the signs so everything stops but if you have them park over next to the church there park as long as you want and when you finally leave you just leave at once so I think it works I know as I was seeing some parents are coming in that direction behind the bus they've got to wait for the bus that doesn't make any sense anyways, it meets the intermobile grant you guys signed on to it I signed on to it we got in-kind donation I think like $30,000 something of our in-kind but it's all equipment and now that we people took away the parking lots that's not part of the parking spaces, that's not part of the map so this solves that and doubles our parking which is great for a calm meeting or the announce I think it's something we will continue to look at when we make those decisions we'll have some other people look at it the guy who did the drawing it's a very good drawing though for the whole park and stuff mine was just from Google Maps it'll take my drawing it won't take my own drawing and it doesn't change their manholes and catchphrases we'll look at that and if it makes sense then I would certainly go along with it I know there's been issues with this drive around and they're not happy with it it doesn't work so at least you're taking the ownership of it most people would do that so I think that would be a way to get to the amphitheater and also the parking lot but I really didn't think about that I should have had it back it was more efficient so that's all I had I'm still hoping I was reading the gallery reporter that all the decisions had to be made on the parking money I hope there is something for amphitheaters because I can't really get grants unless they have matching so on the school just gave me the thank you letter so my only source for the grant matching partners that people believe feels a good investment to the town hopefully I'm giving enough help on the reading the town funds here as far as the parking but there should be safe planning this alright and we also with the school we have an agreement with them if it's something that we decide to go around understanding with them and that's something that we could bring up as the board is maybe asking for some money to help out they might be a little bit more receptive to it yeah, Cheryl Lynn said they didn't go to their person to check up the money they never talked to Cheryl Lynn they just wrote a letter saying sorry I don't think they put much effort into it but as we the project get more buy-in from everyone and we'll I'll talk to the people that are actually at the school you know the people in the office what do you think of this plan you watch the kids you know what's going on what do you think well I doubled that this kind of goes back to who owns the land stuff it's really them on however you need to think they don't have a decision in it it would be nice to get their input yes, I told them about it as I was going to do and then if you'd like given it the rough drawing I had or if the people were doing the real drawings you want to just lay it out it's just a couple of lines basically yeah, we'll probably have the engineers lay it out because that's all we didn't actually did this originally we didn't have an engineering problem so it's pretty much a great one it's probably something I didn't need but because when they we split this into two parts the bus loop was done by the school and the part from the bureau was done by the town we're getting rid of their school stuff but if the school no longer really exists it's now the town that owns all this that's what's back in that question the school as well alright, thanks appreciate taking the time all your records see what sound we have going on Clarky, you're late thanks so Clarky is here to give us a wastewater update sorry well the wastewater committee is being reported on site negotiations that we've been having around the town and around the village and that to a certain extent is ongoing and we've re-approved I don't know if we've actually done it yet but we're planning on re-approaching the Sharon regarding the property up on the more common road right up near the substation as we can the upper valley services is fine, the town and the school have given permission to dig up here by the site of the treatment area and Stevenson's have also indicated that there's some parts of their property that were okay with digging test pits in so the test pits haven't started yet because one of the real nuts that we have not cracked yet is the submission of the Clean Water State Revolving Fund loan application and the delay there has been the discussions and the issues that haven't been solved yet between Auto Creek Engineering and the State Clean Water Revolving Fund staff that has been an ongoing issue for months that hasn't finalized itself yet we don't have a preliminary engineering report that the state has been willing to accept yet an engineering plan from Auto Creek that the state is willing to accept so that we can put the numbers from that into our application and tomorrow afternoon a representative from the Clean Water State Revolving Fund as well as Auto Creek and Ray Washburn and myself are meeting with them trying to cut Gordian not here and get this resolved so that we can rewind what the problem is and is there what the problem has been that there have been questions that the state has made to Auto Creek in order to clarify their document and they have not provided adequate responses to those and it has been going on for a really long time about a month ago we had a meeting that to a certain extent it kind of devolved into a fairly heated discussion between the state and Creek about who needed to do what in order to move forward and so the town has sort of been the middle of this because the state and the engineering firm have been able to wind up their ducts so that they agree on the numbers and also the scope of the work that they want to do for this project and so we at the wastewater committee wanted to try to just we've got to move on we've got to get this finalized so that the application can be submitted and also know what we can do from here on in and we hope to be able to do that tomorrow and try to figure this out is there going to be someone there from Auto Creek that has the ability to make decisions and get things done or is there well that's one of the issues Tom you know we've kind of I think it's getting to the point now where things are fairly, are still vague tomorrow it's time for somebody to sort of stand on the table you know, stand their feet and pound their fists because it's time for this to get resolved and right now it's a volunteer committee that's doing this and we've been kind of watching this back and forth between the state and Auto Creek for months now and it just hasn't been resolved I think both parties to a certain extent have been operating in good faith but it's just been really slow and on but it's much slower than we anticipated and one of the crux to this is that the money that's available through this loan application which is a 0% loan there's about $300,000 left for this year and when that's allocated the money's gone Auto Creek has probably invoiced us about $28,000 to $30,000 at this point Sasha a little bit more than that so they have done work and invoiced the town and those invoices have been sent off to the state just so they'll know that these invoices are coming in and they're not also invoicing properly in order for it to have the state to reimburse so it's been kind of messy and to a certain extent somewhat unprofessional as far as we can tell and it's just really getting very tiresome at this point because if things were lined up we'd be did in test pits at this point and be able to really get a sense of what you might be able to have as a positive system and at this point you know we're still at loggerheads to a certain extent in terms of what's happening so by saying this and bringing this to the select board and bringing you up to speed on this I it might be time for someone else other than on this committee in order to have a discussion with Otter Creek because that to me is really where the hang up is at this point and we really need to get this solved so that we can move on in order to one of the first significant steps in this process is having a purchasing sales agreement or a permanent easement signed by the end of this year we don't have to necessarily have to pay a landowner at this point out of these funds but we do need to be able to have some kind of document in place by the end of this year and we're almost literally six months to go on this and negotiating this with property owners is not necessarily an easy task and obviously there are going to be legal fees involved and those are not coming out of town funds but nevertheless the negotiation part and the timeframe involved could be significant and if the test bits prove to be inadequate then we may also be at a particular point where we have to step away but that's always been kind of a possibility until you actually get the test done you don't know whether or not we're going to have adequate soils in order to do this but at this point you know I have an agreement from the state to if we want to you know we've had some discussion within the committee that if we pay Otter Creek now as a sign of good faith from town funds which would be reimbursed and you need to see the document that has basically guaranteed that and I don't have that yet and until obviously we get that we're not going to pay out any money to move forward but Otter Creek has not they're not really holding that up as an obstacle at this point but it was a possibility that we talked about that if we pay this money at this point then it would be something that we could basically say we know you've put in staff time and professional time in the work that you've done so far so we're going to cover the invoices in the meantime and then wait for reimbursement later by the state but the way that the invoices have been done at this point the state wouldn't reimburse because they're not done with the kind of coding that's wired and Otter Creek gets funds reimbursed from the state all the time this is not something that's really scratching their heads about they should be able to figure this out or call some money in order to make sure that the invoice looks proper in order to get reimbursed so that's the most significant issue at this point the other update I want to give you is that they're let me stop there so tomorrow you go and it just blows up I hope not we're still scenario we as a select board should at that point intervene and get involved and then reach out to Otter Creek don't you agree? yeah I think so you know I'm going to call them down and talk with the owner or the principal for Otter Creek and just say this is unacceptable and if it looks like it's going to go that way tomorrow I'm not going to say that that's what was decided tonight but that's what's likely to occur and it will kind of break through because we've got to make some progress so I just want to make sure that if it goes south tomorrow Clark reaches out to Sasha Sasha let the board know at that point I'll reach out to the principal whoever is at Otter Creek just to get kind of a what's up you know we don't have to threaten them with whole funds but obviously we're not going to if the state is not reimbursing us we're probably not we all know the importance of getting it done and if it doesn't get done by the end of the year we could all be out and we're not going to pay to get this grant because of them because it's all based on the grant so and we don't want to you know but so that's where the rules are headed so that's the biggest issue right now the other thing that I've been doing is looking for other supplemental funds for the project the other parts to go to is what's called the community recovery and revitalization grant and that's administered through the agency of commerce and community development started to fill out the application it can't pay for preliminary it can't pay for engineering design of a system unfortunately has to actually pay for real things like the time pipes hardware so that's just something that I'm going to put in and it can pay up to a million dollars or 20 percent of the project it's not a big chunk of money well it's a decent chunk of money but it's not huge next year we can also apply for northern borders funding as well and I always get the acronym for that Northern Borders Regional Commission and I contacted them last week and we can apply for money for a project for next year as well the other thing that Watesville is doing if you saw the article is that they actually got a congressional earmark from Bernie's office and we can do that too so that's what I'm going to try to figure out is how to go through the channels to figure that out as well earmarks are funky because they're not guaranteed if you read the article there and then earmarks are just kind of you know they used to be it's basically a cork pair setting up this representative throw this in the thing or whatever you have to have a hierarchy to get that but there's no harm in asking it's fairly routine municipalities to do that so another little wrinkle this is the last thing I'll mention and we can check in about a couple of details is that we're also told that it might be important to do water quality sampling in the Mad River this summer because of the sort of to a certain extent regardless of what sites are identified and so I reached out to the contact that I was given that the state just to confirm that it would be wrapped into the loan application but it's also another process that has to be scheduled and as we all know scheduling professionals these days and getting people available to do something is a huge deal people are out straight and it's just crazy time trying to in fact one of the biggest headaches with doing test kits is you have to have a consulting archeologist on site before you can pretty shovel right here so that's a requirement and that's hard to find people that have the time to do that anyway the water quality study might not have to be done because one of the things the Otter Creek engineer did do is he sent an email off to the contact in the state and it looked like he convinced her that it might not be required which would be great because it's just one less step that would have to be done that's something I want to confirm tomorrow as well but that's off the table I sent a study that was done in 2015 the dilemma is that the sampling did not include phosphorus and nitrates which is obviously the big deal with the TMD elbow like Champlain so that has to be checked out and what the friends collected was I think E. Coli I think it was only E. Coli so it's not data that the state can use so I'm sorry to report that it's gotten a bit more convoluted and less you know it sort of goes and fits and starts at this point and I'm pretty sure if the state says that the preliminary engineering work that Articly proposes is up to snuff then I've got to jump on it and get the application in as soon as possible and to a certain extent this isn't about filling in the blanks lastly the select port has to sign off on the loan application there are it's right at the bottom of the form I don't know whether this is an e-signing process whether or not this is something that needs to be approved at official soft port meeting that I will determine tomorrow and then there has to be one other person named on the application other than me so Tom I was planning on putting you on there and it's basically another it's just a second point of contact for the loan application not that much signing longer than that you have a is that a problem? it's well if that's the case they go to me first because I'm the primary signing on here and I'm not planning on going anywhere anyway I'll double check in terms of exactly what that means and I'll let you know good question actually Articly it would be nice to get that piece done so we can also let people in Canada get a feeling from the people in the village what they're thinking what everyone is so we we have gone back and forth on the committee because we wanted to do something in March or April and we had a discussion about well if we do this before we have the test fit data it becomes speculation once we have the test fit data then we can talk about specific solutions and so I'm second guessing myself at this point saying yeah we should have had that conversation anyway just so that people would have a voice at the table but as soon as we get the test fit data and it has some sort of analysis I'm hoping to have something we have something in July I'd like to think so but you certainly want to have it as soon as possible it might be delayed significantly you know I'm at this point feeling to try to convince the committee to have it and then we'll do our best to lay out the possibilities as much as we know as well well let Sasha know or do we call let Sasha know I'll ask tomorrow specifically about what it means by signing up on that and I'll ask about how the select work is to know the specific work to get down so you can in good faith sign the document so I don't want to have you do that unless you've seen it okay alright thanks everybody a quick break awesome thanks just jumping jacks yeah um so our dog got compost poisoning oh really he had like two going on three weeks ago so we took him to Bev's because it was a Sunday he had to go up he wasn't getting any better he had to spend the Wednesday after going to Bev's getting IV's came back the next week checked on him still wasn't doing any better they thought it was his hips because he had his hip dysplasia on both hips and Roy's like it's not his hips but he would like all of a sudden just like yip and cry and freak out and like run to us and now so they put him on dex which is steroid and gabapen which is the point where he was spying during the day but the minute he gets inside and goes downstairs to go to bed he will like wine until you live with him until you what? lay with him and then he lays down in his sleep and he's fine and you have to lay with him for like 15-20 minutes well last night so that basically so you know that's like a toddler right so this is like you got to get the whole experience you know you have someone you've taken in a little bit more you haven't had this so well I had it when he was a puppy but so last night they prescribed him trazodome at night so he'd sleep good night well last night I spent half the night up there yeah I don't like he went like crazy just break one of those in half and take it yourself man and you go to sleep watch the dexamethasone you know they'll start losing his his hair well he's been pulling out his hair anyway but he's off the dex now he's just on the gabapen and the trazodome and he's on a lot of trazodome he's on 150 milligrams he's not a big dog well good luck so you're a bit up at night so we're going to get the woman to get out of here so let's go ahead and start with Ms. Sasha over there in the corner seat and ask what you have for reports or communications I just have a full list of documents to sign what the license is okay so we can move on then we have a stand-up chain order and then I'll give you guys all right then we're going to go here to Mr. Robin what do you have anything for us I did send an email on the ACO there was two changes that I recommended I think the first email came through which wasn't complete and I reset the second email today there was only basically two changes one was that we need to add the comment because it says on public property but we need to add or private property of another residence because the definition of public property in Google is truly public property so by putting that in that it would basically make it no one void because any decent lawyer could come in and say well the dog wasn't on public property so it actually could come back to haunt us because if we were to impound the dog that was on some private property then we would be legally responsible for violating our own ordinance and the other point was it says a law enforcement officer and that should simply read an enforcement officer because in the definition up above it says the town will appoint enforcement officers up to and including the ACO and not a law enforcement officer because that would apply at this office everything else in the document complete was solid so I didn't see any other changes that I would recommend and they are in an email of it. Yeah I saw Sasha had that forward send it out send it out when it's complete now and then on our next meeting maybe that's something we can address that was on land Kelly down there Well there was that email from Bobby helping about ATVs on classroom roads so it is coming back I know we had that discussion there and it is probably going to come around I'm actually really surprised he wasn't here tonight What's the feeling from the board? I've talked to people in our neighborhood and most of the people who live on the borders of those roads are against specifically Herringbrook Road I know exactly who you're talking about yeah well there's only two people I mean I can name names or I can't but I personally my personal opinion is people who are going to drive on the roads are going to drive on in this area anyway there's no enforcements whatsoever the minute we open it up and say everybody can come then everybody and their brother is going to come with ATVs and I see that it's a potential problem but maybe I'm only reacting Where are they going to go? I mean I would go around and ask people how they felt about it I did at that process I'm just not 100% sure if I would approve it I'd have to be convinced I mean we have no there are no connecting state ATVs there are no connecting trails in this area there are none because the only one that was a possibility was Northfield and the person who just got on Fresh Tracks because that was where the connecting piece was going to be actually ended up shutting that down yeah she shut it so there are no connecting trails so I don't think in essence opening it up is going to bring anybody else in and in seeing how this works in other areas if you go up by Danville I mean they have a massive system that works pretty well I mean the people that are going to do it are going to do it anyway and then not in essence being unsafe I mean I remember we had the lieutenant the state police right what happens if we have this and he pulled us right out straight he's not forcing anything he's not coming here for that what if somebody is driving their ATV on a legal trail or whatever that's my that's my take on it if it's a local resident and they want to drive their ATV around the thing that's fine if you're going to be on a trailer and park on the side of the road and drive that I'm fine with that as far as actually opening it up and saying publicly to the state like they did to Newport you can start driving ATVs down the middle of the road I don't think our time would support that I think it opens us up for the more ability I'd rather have people just film and do it which I think is what we a lot of people are having issues with the people who want to close out that legal trail now if we say oh yeah we're just going to let every ATV in the world drive down that legal trail those people are going to they're going to be even more upset I don't know that's kind of your what if you do some more research and then I would talk to Bobby and see what I mean if there's a benefit what benefits to do it or if it could be selective like I would be willing to say if he had a certain connecting trail this would be a great one to open up then maybe I'd consider it on a case-by-case basis but just to say every class 4 road or every legal trail in the town of Moortown is now open ATV traffic I don't think we would do that if we're going to open something I think it would be more specific there's a vast trail right here this would be a great connecting link yeah I would be certainly open all of that because one of the things that Bobby mentioned was the safety issue because requiring helmets and things like that and the bottom line is there's nobody on force those rules anyway so someone gets hurt and we said it's okay and they forgot to wear a helmet and nobody was enforcing it and the town's now liable because that is how a 14 year old girl could kill the other day and older ATV 14 year old and what was she doing right in ATV at 14 years old and we're going to go over them there are people down the road who were riding ATVs at 11 I'm just saying it's tragic to see a 14 year old girl die it's just a tragic tragic tragic thing that's a nice one I know see what you I know you looked into it last year and then after the troop was here we all kind of well it really didn't seem like there was a lot of benefit for the town to do this and we were no longer forced to but if I know what you find out because I'm pretty sure I think it's his girlfriend I think has worked with a lot of other towns on making it legal like through the state so they've in essence been through the process and what it looks like and I'm not sure if the town can be how legally liable or not by opening up a public road any more than we can would be liable if somebody was to drive into the schoolyard and run over somebody it's a public by way so we have immunity at that point I mean think about everything else there are laws protecting horses being on the road there was a woman who lives on word broke who was hit riding a horse on the road so I mean there's a whole other it doesn't anything can happen to a lot of machinery things everything just seem to be a guy in a lay out two weeks a guy in a freaking bike race he was killed you see went on the wrong side of the road or something like that I'm thinking well alright John finally the contract with Pullman has been signed so we're going on the way on 15th we're getting a little nervous he's having a problem with the registration with the state but it's got that all resolved not 615 that's it June 15th and he's really confident that they'll be able to do everything on time we need someone on site as far as the inspect so the RFPs have gone out and Ray came back I actually missed some very good points and so between Ray Sasha and myself we've ironed all that out alright so we're working on that the only thing what was the number that originally that 12,373 and that's why Brian asked about 15,000 but we don't want to put that in the RFP because that's where you have to pay so we'll put 12,000 in and then if it changes you can come back and ask for a little so that was the only other thing on that hopefully what was the date we set for that I don't know no we better set a date sorry I well I thought you'd already put it in the RFP no um I think there was I thought there was a place to put that I mean you put down here the contact right so I think we should have it so that we can decide by next meeting yeah yeah okay um that's pretty much all I have I think I probably have to speed on the tree oh actually you mentioned the tree last week but did we get a quote on carrots or whatever the TDS said basically the same thing that the power company said they don't have it in their budget for preventive things that they wait until it falls down right if you come down then they fix the money so I think what I told Sasha is we'll hire something to take it down and just send out for try and collect a third of the bill from TDS and another third from what the heck they'll probably say no but it doesn't hurt to dry right after all it's the airlines we're helping them potentially but they said it was the town's town responsible so the bottom line they could see that it was undercut in the winter by our machinery in our proper in our right I'd say we and it's Martin's property and Guy Martin said he would we'll take that so you're going to reach out to Barrett's Martin's doing to market and then I'm going to get it's remember Donny had a scale he gave us that right the next day because I had one of those guys do you know they climb the trees and he did an amazing, amazing, amazing job I mean I don't know if he's capable of stopping traffic and all that stuff but he can take down those guys and take down any tree without cranes and they're amazing now while I was on the phone with Guy he asked about access to his property not my recollection recollection was it it was going to be marked by the surveyor yeah it should be all marked and they should think no one anytime they want but it's nothing nothing's been cut didn't we want to cut it personally I think we should probably cut it so everyone knows where it is say here's where it is here's the cut there's not any questions so many people can do it yeah so my recollection is we walked that several different times there's really not a lot to cut there it's kind of junky right crap maybe you could reach out to the blogit and ask him we're going to cut this if you don't I think that was one of the agreements that we had right and I thought they had so many trees we didn't mention them you're right I can maybe you just say you want I don't care where the wood is not needed but kind of a full right way side to side I don't know was it two rods that we did or whatever it was I can't remember exactly what the word was but we started maybe all the way up so it can be done and that's it so check with them see what they want we can check with our guys see what they think where they can go in and we'll have to be done a lot once just be kind of pushed off to the side we don't need to pick it up we don't need to just kind of push it off to the side I think that's all good for now yeah so I can just let me know the width just give me your map yeah it should be on the agreement Sarah it's a normal trail it's a rural trail so whatever trails are that should be well pinned so in mark so we know both sides right that's what we asked alright so I have a few different things I'm going to start with Don had he has a good one the library had sent us it was a request and what they were requesting is that we base the 7% raise that we gave the assistant library that we based that on $16 an hour rather than the $14.99 because the library trustees are asking us that because they they make up the donations or they did last year to the $16 an hour they wanted to pay their assistant library $16 an hour we were paying $14.99 and then we gave 7% on that $14.99 but she's actually making $16 so it's basically what we're asking or they're asking us is to base that 7% again on $16 rather than $4.99 so 7% of a dollar in one set is the difference so so we'll bring the hourly rate to $17.12 because it would be $8.12 rather than that's only 7% yeah okay that's what I give let me just read his that to me so the library assistant was getting $14.99 an hour and then in $22 the library trustees gave a raise to $16 an hour using donations in $23 which would be this year the channel line raise of 7% was given to the $14.99 what the library trustees are asking you for is that the 7% be raised on the $16 an hour $12 for the hourly rate to $17.12 so I guess it's simple my original thought was that the action wanted us to do a salary adjustment a salary adjustment to the $16 and then add it on to that but you know that's not I guess what was asked they're just asking us to do a raise on the $16 an hour which I think is fair to do the hourly rate that's to yeah yeah I mean if it's 7% all of the dollar and all of the math and math how many hours will we Sasha 22 no the assistant oh the assistant that's the assistant so it's less than a buck yeah if you're going to do a motion anyways but 7% on the difference between the $14.99 and what she's making now yeah so we have given a 7% raise on $14.99 right and he would like us to give a 7% raise based on the $16 an hour rate that they're actually paying extra out of their donations to $16 an hour and so they just wanted to raise based on what they were actually giving so $16.97 so they can go back and say we're actually giving you a 7% they're going to go back and say we're giving you a 7% raise instead of a 6.99% raise or whatever it might be you know I think that's fine they're now expecting us to pay the additional right now we're still only going to give them $15 plus 7% per hour is that correct and we're going to give them 15 plus would we say 70 I think she's at 64 right now she gets what $16.04 so what the difference is is right plus she could be getting $16.30 $16.04 as you said a week or a year per hour $16.03 per hour and and they're going to cover basically $1 so the raise we originally gave $1 for a raise and it's now going to be $1.12 $1.12 okay so total of 17 right total of 17 that's 12 17, 12 and a half so let me try to make this so it's clear I move that we actually should be clear I move that we base the secondary library library proposed 7% raise based on $16.00 an hour and $4.00 $1.12 per hour raise a second now any further discussion all in favor both I all right all right all right so there's the so all right so sounds a little nitpicky so change one there yeah they just want to tell the girl you're going to get a 7% raise if you say well that's 7% off the $14.99 the talent gives you it just makes it a lot more complicated for the poor girl so we're going to give you a 6.95% raise for 7% so we got that thank you everyone and so you heard the discussion with Fran today yes thank you for it promoted action I think what we did last time basically woke him up and said hey I got to do something so I mean the fact that he showed up today and they're willing to talk I think that opens the door for your conversation that you were going to hold with him two weeks ago and whether this guy has the credentials or not I'm a little scared because I just had to be Monday yeah yeah yeah we'll see I'm a little skeptical myself he got off of red a few times there for absolutely no reason which I thought was a little suspect but I get red too when I talk to the public sometimes I got into the table right I mean we know where the goal was but yeah you know we don't mean I was getting away and saying you know if the guy can do that and obviously there's animosity at this point there's going to be animosity between the contractor and Frank and his tenant there's no way that's not going to happen we can't do anything about that all we can do is continue to work with Frank we've offered to help get him financial assistance which should help with their budgeting process I you know I think open the discussion I think it will probably will not go anywhere and we'll probably be still you know obviously they're still going forward with the receivership after last meeting right so I will we'll pick out some times and I want at least two of us there but more than two because then we'll have to line it there will be a little pain in the butt so I'll figure it out we'll reach out to John for some reason I can't be around then John will reach out to someone else to join in the war if it's during the day that's easier for me and for what a reason John can't make it or you can't make it I'd be willing to just sit there and listen to whatever anybody has to say I can't solve any problems but I can listen so we have I think Sasha is there any other emails that come in the one about the compil road thing right Sasha it sent out a letter to them letting you know that it's not possible right but he wanted all the correspondence from that display courthouse but there was no correspondence what's the letter you don't email anybody yes there is I'm talking wrong yeah I understand okay so there was yeah so we don't know whether there would be okay Travis asked for the email that she sent and because it's on the circumstances surrounding all that you need to check to see if that's something that we can do okay otherwise it's public knowledge but because there's a protective the raised training order whatever you may not let me level things up a little bit oh of course there's no doubt it will but again legal trails are for the public good of all residents right exactly so that's all I had if we looked down a little business I don't think there's really much there that we need to address so unless anyone has a new business going on you can go ahead and sign the stuff that Sasha has for us I'll make a motion to approve the amendments 5-1 Sasha I mean Cali did you second that yeah she's been waiting alright all in favor for dying sent the invoice for that $4,000 what did you guys let me take that $4,000 that's just a standing contract you know they come up the what's the question was it what looking for an additional donation of the Soviet right and at that point we decided to do that but I think budget let me look through this tonight and figure that out so we have applications for a catering permit up at Bliss Rich and I guess they're about what 10 part of the year and their 10 functions or something like that however they have basically given us the what are considered anyways they have continued to promote and advertise that they're of their tree houses and that they're building another one and that goes against the DRB and is there any reason why we should sign these if they're not I mean I know it's two different things but they're not respecting the decision of the DRB in fact they're flaunting almost by promoting and saying in publications that they have other things coming along and I don't know if I want to give them the permit this is signing the permit yeah no I would I thought about all that this is for something different catering oh liquor but it's the same organization same team I thought about it I mean I'd say we shut it down you know and explain their things they'll be like okay well yeah yeah I don't want to be interested in signing it um I have mixed feelings but I think bottom line is we don't sign it there'll be contact and we'll have them in live still open in discussion at least a little bit of a care and stick approach but I mean I think it's warranted at that point Robin I didn't sign the payroll oh honestly this one or this one I signed the top one so we do have a request for catering this is firehouse flowers they're doing everything they're supposed to be doing so we'll go ahead and so does that make sense to everybody on the other catering industry yeah no I think a care and stick approaches is valid at this point they don't get them in here we can kind of just say well why should you approve of this if you're holding this so we're going to have to Tom use his words and not mine but yeah if you're considered to ignore other things by the board what makes us think you won't do this in regards to your catering your willing to bend the rules what makes you think it's your force for you if it's using our leverage I'm wondering why we don't you know wait for the environmental board and shut the place right down I'm curious like because I know like and I don't want to go off topic we're all it makes us sleep but like that gun range that they shut down down where they had the militia place I mean that was completely done on the zoning ordinances of the town where they actually made the entire building do we have the authority at this point before it goes the environmental review board and say it's against the DRB and start moving for actually forcing them to remove the building so I'm going to put together I spoke to Juan about this I guess actually Friday afternoon and so I'm putting together I mean Juan Karen John Riley he's the head of the DRB so to kind of figure that out what we should do I can't just let him rub it in her face that just opens the door for the next person to do the exact same thing and I'm sure they'll probably will win ultimately and that's fine well they have some things I mean even talking to Juan we can try to work with people but this is some things that are just you can't fix I mean there's some setbacks there that we don't have our standards that there's nothing we can do about it I don't know what you're saying I don't know if that's actually accurate because there are some things that are just so black and white and how do you get around it yeah yeah I mean I don't know I mean I know they have money and I can try to work with people they have the ability to be able to wait us out that's the thing come back to this too as far as getting the other way and if they're generating $5,000 a month of revenue on the building that's illegal they don't have a lot of incentive not to cooperate to cooperate yeah okay well we got our treehouse rented on Airbnb for the next three years go ahead with it I know somebody that'll move into the place and never move out if you want to use that as a possible option I can use your list of phone numbers to create a VIXM from an illegal building alright first there's nothing else I move to adjourn bye thank you thank you sir thank you see you again