Alright Jordan, it seems like you're posting more and more on Instagram. Ready to check out your feed and some of your most recent posts? Yeah, sure. Let's do it! First one! Little helicopter trip. Where are you guys going? This is like a little harbor tour of Charleston. So, take us all around the beaches, and the Rabinel Bridge, and Fort Sumter and Fort Morphery. It is probably one of the coolest things I've done ever. Do you guys take a lot of photos from the helicopter? Yeah. Everything. Pretty cool. Did you frame any? Because a lot of those Ariel shots that you see online look pretty cool, right? I need to frame them. I haven't yet, but I will. Nice. Here you guys are. Halloween. Yeah. Curious George in the big man in the yellow hat. And then he was curious. He could have been. It's a very curious George. Well, I guess both, right? Yeah. There's two of them. What made you guys want to be this for Halloween? Kind of last second. She was so busy with med school, so it was my job, and her sister helped me out, so. Dude, that is a great last minute costume, because the chances that you have a jacket or a shirt like that are probably pretty high. Yeah. This is actually the jacket from The It Kid. The rain jacket. That was the jacket. It came in a set of Halloween stores. So I just did that, and bought a yellow hat, and then put it together. So you already have next year's costume then too. Yeah.   You definitely know a thing or two about Halloween. This is a little throwback, right? Yeah. That's one of my good friends. That was like one of my first off seasons. Another quick fit together. That was the guy, me and Pedro. And the hangover. One of the best movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very last minute, but it was fun. So you're a good last minute guy pretty much. Yeah, usually I don't plan it out too much. Sometimes that's the best way to be, just be spontaneous. Yeah, yeah. That's my best one. Next one. Another great picture of you and your girlfriend. Yes. I've been killing it. We did a lot of cool stuff in the off season. My parents had a beach house, so we spent a good amount of time out there.  Yeah, good amount. We did a sailboat tour of the harbor too. Did your dog tuck give you a good workout with playing fetch? It looks like that's what you guys are doing. Yeah. I didn't even have to worry about throwing. He could just run around there, dig, do whatever he wanted, taste the water. And when did you get him? Because he looks like he's still really young and he's such a cute dog. He's seven months now, so he's a little younger than I got him. His birthday is June 22nd. So I probably got him early July. Cool. My parents got him and watched him on the water before he got home. Those are some good parents? Yeah. Well, he's too cute. They love him. And what made you go to the Golden Retriever route? They're just smart and happy and cuddly. He's a great dog. I got lucked out with him. So since you've been posting more on Instagram, do you think that there's a chance that he'll get onto Instagram at some point? Because dogs do really well and he's so cute. Possibly one. I've got thousands of pictures of him, so I got a lot of ammo for him. Content, baby. Just like this photo is the road back you play in football. How old were you in this? That was seventh grade. Very gumbyish there. Is that when your nickname started? Not then, but that was what I looked like, basically. You're like, but now I know why. Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Is this photo, it looks like one that could be hanging on the wall of your parents' house or some frame on some coffee table, is it? It's probably on my grandma's refrigerator, honestly. I think it is that in my basketball picture, but I don't know, I'm not very proud of that one. Has a fan asked you to sign it yet? No, no. Head looks like a peanut in it.  You got the fresh cut.  That's Truman's. That's my haircut spot in New York. In Brittany, she takes care of me every time. She's incredible. Really good at haircuts and really nice lady. And that's a great look. That's similar to Luke Warch. Yeah, I go a little less that now, but I like it. And so you just became trendy. Started at that and now you're there. Progress, key. Haven't peaked. Another little throwback show. You popped up on Jonathan Holder's Instagram feed when I was doing some research. See you in the back, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was at Niagara Falls. I don't know where we were playing because I was like, early. That was when we were in Staten Island, maybe. Okay. Sean Carly. We had a good time there. We did the made-a-missed. Funny story, we actually, we went to this and then our bus driver took a wrong turn and was like taking us over to Canada.  It was, we only showed up late to the game that night. It was show and go. We literally showed up, got off the car, got off the bus, played. It was chaos. So is this before or after the ride? This is before. So we showed up, did that, and then got off and the chaos and food. Now this one's inside your nice warm home where you're not going anywhere. Any surprises, got the cool watch, got the Yankee Stadium ornament in the background. Was this at your family's house? Yeah. My mom's, each of us get an ornament a year to put on the tree and then kind of disperse and have different trees. She has a game clock tree, a beach tree. Who knows, she'll probably have a Yankee tree here soon. Whoa. Cool. Is it as tall as you? Or do you think it'll be as tall as you? Yeah, they're all full-size trees. That's pretty cool. All right. Stance socks. You got a lot of them, it looks like, in this photo. Yeah. I went through a sock phase, so I just had way too many. Did you keep them off? Yeah, I got them somewhere. So it's good to know that you got clean socks. Yeah. Now the last one. Here we are, Animal Kingdom at Disney World. Mm-hmm. Like the caption says, your favorite part. I'm big on Disney. We used to go once a year. So I've been at least 24, 22 years. I've been to Disney 22 times probably, if not more. Whoa. So I know it like the back of my hands forever. So you see yourself going back there? Oh yeah, my niece loves it. So we take you go as a family every year. Whoa, cool. She's three now, so perfect age for her to ease it up. Awesome. So now is the final question. It's time for the plug. What do you have to offer it and watch somebody buy it? I got a cute dog. Really? That's all I'm really post mostly. That's a great answer. People will follow you. Yeah. You want to see a cute golden? Come on out.


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In this presentation, we will take a look at multiple choice questions related to the Statement of Cash Flows. First question. A decrease in inventory should be reported on the Statement of Cash Flows as Support Accounting Instruction by clicking the link below giving you a free month membership to all of the content on our website broken out by category further broken out by course. Each course then organized in a logical reasonable fashion making it much more easy to find what you need than can be done on a YouTube page. We also include added resources such as Excel practice problems, PDF files and more like QuickBooks backup files when applicable. So once again click the link below for a free month membership to our website and all the content on it. So let's go through this again. A decrease in inventory should be reported on the Statement of Cash Flows as Now, when we think about this, you can imagine us building our statement of cash flows and we have our worksheet that we're working with and we're basically taking the difference between all the balance sheet accounts from one period to another and constructing our worksheet, usually using an indirect method on meaning we're going to reconcile from net income to the cash flows from operations in the operating section. So this is dealing with inventory, the difference in inventory from one period to another. Inventory went down, inventory decreased and we're trying to figure out, okay, what is that going to do on our indirect method, typically in a cash flow statement. Now because it's a current asset and typically current asset liabilities are in the operating section, then we can think, okay, we're in the operating section and we're trying to think about this inventory. Now just by knowing that, by knowing that we're working in the operating section, you can kind of know that by looking at the journal entry related to inventory, which when we sell inventory is to debit cost of goods sold and credit inventory. So there's cost of goods sold as an income statement account and therefore you would think that whatever happens here, whether it be an increase or decrease, would be in the operating activities. So if we go through these, we could probably eliminate non-operating activities. So A says an increase in the operating activities that looks right. B says an increase in the investing activities. It doesn't look like it's investing because it's probably operating activities. C says a decrease in cash flows from operating activities. So we'll keep that for now. And D says a decrease from investing activities and E's dealing with financing activities. So it looks like it's between A and C. And now the only question is which way do we go? Is there an increase in cash flows or is there a decrease in cash flows? Now this one, I would actually think about if we don't really just memorize the rule, if we don't have the rule memorized, then I would try to analyze the most common type of change in a current asset type of account, which is accounts receivable, and then apply the same rule. So if I can't remember the rule and I'm trying to kind of remember what happens with an increase or decrease, I think about accounts receivable and then apply the same thing to inventory or any other kind of current asset and then the reverse to liabilities. If you try to reconstruct things, too many things, then you're going to spend too much time on the test. That's why I recommend just thinking, okay, accounts receivable. If I think about accounts receivable, what really happens, if there's a decrease in accounts receivable, what's the journal entry related to a decrease in accounts receivable? That would be accounts receivable is going to be credited $100, let's say, and we're going to debit the cash. That's when accounts receivable goes down. So what is that going to do to our cash flow statement? Remember what we have is net income on the cash flow statement, which is on a cruel basis. And if the accounts receivable went down, that means this journal entry happened more than the increase journal entry, which is a debit to accounts receivable and a credit to sales. So in this case, what's happening here is the accounts receivable, we're getting cash and we're not recording revenue. So that means net income here doesn't include the revenue related to this cash we received. Why? Because we recorded the cash in the prior period, but we need to under the cash method record the net income or the cash in the net income for this period if we're under a cash basis because we got the cash. So that means if we'd have to increase the net income if this asset account, the accounts receivable decreased because if accounts receivable decreased, that means we got cash. So that would have to increase net income. So then I would just apply that same rule that it's going to be an increase. If something goes down, if an asset goes down, that it's going to increase the net income. So here it is here, an increase in cash flows from operating activities. So there it is. And you might just want to memorize the rule, which is basically that if an asset goes down, we're going to increase the cash flow statement. And it's the opposite for liabilities. So if liabilities go down, we're going to decrease the cash flow statement. But it's useful to be able to think through it with at least one example. And I would use the example of accounts receivable and then apply the reverse rule to any liabilities or use accounts payable as your example for any type of liability account and then apply that same principle to all of their liabilities. If you go and think through accounts inventory, you'll get to the same result. However, because of the difference between costs you could sold and accounts payable, it's a little bit more confusing to get there. And you'd rather just get the rule and understand the rule through accounts receivable and then apply it elsewhere. Next question. Which is not included in cash flows from investing activities? A. Cash paid to purchase equipment B. Cash paid for dividends C. Cash paid for intangible assets D. Cash paid for securities E. Cash received from the sale of equipment Let's go through this again using the process of elimination. Which is not included in cash flows from investing activities? A. Cash paid to purchase equipment So for these, I would go through each one of these and basically go through our thought process, which would be to think of a journal entry and then think of an income statement account if it's related and then think if it should be investing. So here we go. Cash paid for the purchase of equipment Journal entry Debit equipment Credit cash So if we debit equipment and credit cash or either of those income statement accounts, no, no income or expenses, therefore not operating activities. Did we buy anything that was of substantial value? We did. We purchased equipment and therefore it's an investment. So it's an investing activity. B. Cash paid for dividends Journal entry Credit cash Debit retained earnings or dividends retained earnings, some kind of equity account. Are either of those going to be income statement accounts? No. No revenue. No expenses. Did we purchase anything of substantial value? No. We didn't purchase anything. We paid the owners. We gave money to the owners to the stockholders with a dividend. Or it's not operating and not investing must be financing because we're basically paying back the owner for the investments that they've put into the company. And then C. Cash paid so that looks like good. C says cash paid for intangible assets. Journal entry Credit cash debit intangible asset Are either of those accounts income statement revenue or expense? No. Therefore not operating activity. Did we buy something of value that we're going to use in the future investing in it? Yes. We did. We bought intangible. So that looks like an investing activity. D says cash paid for securities and again securities like our stocks or bonds we would think so that looks sounds like an investment. So we bought an investment. So you would think that would be an investing activity. And then E says cash received from the sale of equipment. And that one journal entry would be debit cash credit equipment debit accumulated depreciation and then possibly have a debit or credit to gain or loss depending on if there's a gain or loss. And is there an income statement account there? Yeah. There's a gain or loss. So you might think maybe that should be operating activities. So between E and B are the last two here. Let's go through this again which is not included in cash flows from investing activities between B and E. I would think that B is more secure. We're going to say that sounds pretty much like financing. And I would think that C or E would basically be investing because we're dealing with equipment which we invested in. We sold the equipment which we invested in. Now it does have an income statement account in the journal entry but that's really not a cash flow component. The cash flow component is us selling the equipment the cash that we got for the sale of equipment. The gain or loss is kind of over and above the cash we got. So in any case it's going to be the cash we got is for the sale of equipment and will be in the investing activities. Next question. The statement of cash flows does not report A. Cash flows from operating activities. B. Cash flows from financing activities C. Cash flows from investing activities D. Non-cash financing and investing activities and E. Net income on an accrual basis. Let's go through this again using the process of elimination. The statement of cash flows does not report A. Cash flows from operating activities. That's one of the major sections so I would think that it reports that B. Cash flows from financing activities. That's one of the major sections so I don't like that. C says cash flows from investing activities. Once again those are kind of like the main three sections. D says non-cash financing and investing activities. That one we might go hmm why wouldn't report non-cash stuff. Maybe not that I'll keep that for now. And then E says not net income on an accrual basis. I mean we might think well it's kind of net income like on a cash basis kind of not an accrual basis so unless with D and E. Let's go through this again. The statement of cash flows does not report either D. Non-cash financing financing and investing activities or E. Net income on an accrual basis. Now of the two it's actually I would think that E doesn't sound right because that's what the income statement does. The income statement has net income on an accrual basis. The statement of cash flows might because on the indirect method we kind of we start with net income on an accrual basis but are really what we're trying to get to is not net income on an accrual basis we're trying to get to income on a cash basis or receipts from operations cash flows from operations. So we could get technical and say well net income is on the statement of cash flows but that's not really the goal so I don't think I don't think ease what they're looking for. D doesn't sound right really but I think E is the right answer because or D is the right answer because D says non-cash financing and investing activities and those are going to be items that we're going to report either at the bottom of the cash flow statement or in the notes to the cash flow statement. Why would we report things that are non-cash on the cash flow statement or at least on notes related to the cash flow statement because these are things that are kind of like things that they just basically kind of bypass the cash. I mean if we if we for example bought equipment but we got to took a loan out and we financed the entire piece of equipment we would debit equipment for $100 and we would credit a loan payable and so what does that have anything to do with cash? Why do we need to have a note or any kind of thing dealing with cash related to that? Because what really happened is you can think of this as two different journal entries you can think of it as well we kind of just combine two transactions here which would be that we get cash of a hundred man that's that of a hundred in order to and we took out a loan of a hundred and then we turned around and took that hundred dollars and bought equipment for a hundred and we paid cash. So you can think of it as basically there is kind of you can think of it as if there were cash would be reported into journal entries and we just kind of cut out the middle person and didn't report the cash and therefore you know it's kind of like a finance this would be a financing activity and this would be an investing activity so it's kind of like we took a financing activity investing activity and netted it together and didn't have the cash flow but if we really think about it we kind of have two two things happening there that's why it's it's something that's not cash related but we still put a footnote in related to the cash flow statement for it.


Hey thanks for joining me for today's podcast. On the show today I am in conversation with a brilliant writer and journalist called Johan Harry. He is an international best-selling author. I'm a great fan of his work. His previous two books called Chasing the Scream and Lost Connections are brilliant reads but today we're in conversation about his latest book out this month called Stolen Focus. His work has been praised by Oprah Winfrey and Joe Rogan and I understand why when I read his books and so will you when you read his latest book Stolen Focus. It's a book about how our focus has been stolen and our attention is being raided by corporations that are doing that for profitable gain, financial profitable gain and how it's in their vested interests never to lose our focus and never to lose our attention. Johan speaks about how he had the idea for the book or he was motivated to write the book after an interesting experience he had with his godson at Graceland, Elvis's home in Memphis of all places. It's a fascinating conversation for a good hour or so where he spoke about phrases in the book like surveillance capitalism about our hypervigilance that's been triggered by the theft of our attention and our focus and what we can do about it and how this is affecting us in ways none of us are fully aware of is the brilliant conversation you're going to love it. Please leave a review or a comment if you enjoyed the show today if you don't subscribe think about doing that thanks for being here enjoy this conversation thank you. Thanks Johan thanks for being on the show today. Hey you're very stylish looking house I'm always impressed by people like tidy houses. Yeah this is my office we've got a big old farmhouse so I was able to just for my own space and keep it relatively tidy and work on the background looking effective rather than a virtual zoom background which can look terrible as you know. Yeah yeah yeah it never looks good does it? Listen I love the book thanks for bringing this out. I wanted to ask you I know it seems a simple question but why did you choose to write about this? I'm intrigued by how do you know what to choose to write about at any given time as an author because there's a difference between what you might enjoy and what other people might enjoy reading right because you often want people to read the book so how do you manage that how did you choose to write about this? For me for all my books because I spend such a long time on my books because my method is to travel all over the world and interview people related to the subject in all sorts of different places for me there's got to be a question that I want to know the answer to that at the start I don't know the answer to right and obviously I have I don't start as a completely blank slate I've got some ideas I've got my own theories but so with my first book Chasing the Scream we'd had a lot of addiction in my family I wanted to know well what causes addiction why do we go to war against people with addiction and that seems like such a disaster what are the actual alternatives in practice for my book about depression lost connections I wanted to understand why depression and anxiety going up so much right what's going on and with this book for a long time I'd had a sense that people's ability to focus and pay attention was getting worse but for a really long time I also told myself look every generation thinks that right you can read letters from monks a thousand years ago where they say oh our attention ain't what it used to be right that's not an exact quote but that's the gist of it right but but I've been wondering about this I've wanted to look into science but I was I was wary of it I thought you know is this going to be right and then there was this sort of precipitating event that happened to me where I thought oh you know what I do need to look into this I've got a godson who when he was nine he developed this brief but weirdly intense obsession with Elvis and everyone understood how he found out about Elvis but he started you know singing Blue Moon and Viva Las Vegas and suspicious minds all the time and he didn't know that that had become a kind of cheesy style so he was doing it with a kind of heart-catching sincerity and he kept getting me to tell him the story of Elvis from the beginning I skipped the bit at the end where he dies on the toilet obviously but and and what in telling the story of Elvis I mentioned that he built this palace called Graceland and one day I was tucking my godson in and he said to me yo ham will you take me to Graceland one day and I said yeah yeah of course in the way you do with small children when they ask you things and he said no do you really promise and I said yeah I promise and I didn't think about it again until 10 years later when a lot of things had really gone wrong so when when my godson was was 15 he dropped out of school by the time he was 19 he he just seemed to spend all his time alternating between his phone his ipad and his laptop and and his life seemed to be just a blur of like whatsapp uh snapchat and porn and and and it felt like he was fracturing as a person and in that decade in which he had become a man that was the extreme end of the spectrum but it felt like that had happened to a lot of people that it felt like with every year that passed things that required deep focus like reading a book are more and more like running up and down escalator some of us still do them but it seems to be getting harder and harder and I was sitting on my sofa with with my godson and I was looking at him just flicking between these devices I was trying to get a conversation going but it was like his his mind was sort of almost whirring at the speed of snapchat like nothing could gain any traction for very long and and and I could feel that happening to me it wasn't as extreme as it was for me as it was for him but and in one day I just thought we had to break this routine I said to him let's go to Graceland right he didn't even remember this Elvis obsession but I was like no seriously let's go to Graceland wow and and he said he all right and so I said I'd take him to the american south but there was one condition which is he had to agree that when we were there he would leave his phone in the hotel right he wouldn't just go around constantly texting and snapchatting and everything and he absolutely promised so we went there we went to New Orleans first but when we arrived at the gates of the gates of Graceland when you get there there isn't a physical guide who shows you around anymore this is even before Covid what what happens is they hand you an iPad and you put in headphones and the iPad shows you around so it says you know go left in this room this happened go right and there's in each room there's you're in there's a representation on the on the iPad of that room so what happens is everyone walks around Graceland just staring at their iPad so I'm walking around surrounded by these sort of blank a kind of united nations of blank faced people right and I'm trying to make eye contact with someone to go like isn't this funny like we're the people who travel 3 000 miles and we're the ones who actually looked up to see the place we came to right and there was one guy who after I've been there quite a while he made eye contact with me and I was about to say something and then I realized he'd only looked away from the iPad so he could take out his phone and take a selfie and in the end me and my godson we got to the jungle room which was Elvis's favorite room in the mansion it was it was kind of lots of fake plants and stuff and this couple next to me this Canadian couple were there and the husband turned to his wife and he said honey this is amazing look if you swipe to the left you can see the jungle room to the left and if you swipe to the right you can see the jungle room to the right and I sort of looked him and the wife's just sitting there swiping back and I said but so there's an old fashioned form of swiping you could do called turning your head because we're actually in the jungle room right you don't have to look at a digital representation of it we're actually there right and and they looked at me like I was completely mad and hurried out of the room and I turned to my godson who was next to me actually was just in the corner of the room but to kind of laugh about it but he was just looking through snapchat because from the moment we landed he'd just broken his promise he was constantly on his phone and I just really lost it I was like you know you're afraid of missing out but this is guaranteeing you're missing out look none of these people know how to be present with the things that are right in front of them and he stormed off as well and I wandered around Graceland on my own and that night I found him we were staying in the heartbreak hotel which is just across the street from Graceland and I found him by the guitar shape swimming pool and and he was sitting there looking at his phone and and I kind of realized like a lot of anger my anger at him was partly anger at myself um because I could feel these trends bearing on me as well and I remember him just looking at his phone and saying I know something's really wrong but I don't know what it is and that's when I thought yeah I need to investigate this I need to find out if this is a real crisis if it is what's causing it and is our attention really getting worse I think the evidence shows very clearly it is I can talk you through that and then most importantly well what do we do about it how do we get our brains back what is it in you Johan because even in your other books what is it in you that makes you want to chase that down because it's it's beyond journalistic to me when I read your writing it feels to me um an empathy a concern that you have it's not sociological journalistic that's in the mix but it seems to me that you have this concern I picked that up a lot in the book with your writing and your interviews is that are you aware of that inside you the energy like that you that triggering moment of grace line you thought I've got to chase this down it comes out of a concern to me that you're writing I know you're a journalist in your background but there's huge empathy and humanity in your writing oh that's really nice of you to say that I think I think I think the honest answer is I grew up in a very violent and mad family and environment and obviously that can affect people in all sorts of different ways but um I think some people who grow up in families where through no point of their own the adults are not capable of being adults or not or fully capable of being adults what it can do is produce people who from a very early age think I have to build solutions right and it can make you a very solution-oriented person and it can make you you know if you don't have adults you can solve problem look of course it can have all sorts of effects I don't want to and of course I'd much rather not have experienced childhood trauma it's not I'm you know I'm not saying it's a good thing but I think it partly can make you solution-oriented also it can just make you how would I put it that Rumi the 14th century Persian poet said the wound is where the light enters you which I really love and I think what it can do is if you've had an experience of extreme vulnerability or being in danger or not being cared for I think what it can do is make you very sensitive to other people who are in that situation and it can make you it can make you less inclined to just ignore that or yeah clearly it doesn't have that effect on everyone and I don't want to overstate this I've got lots of um uh unappealing parts of my character as well but but I do think I think probably that's where it comes from yes definitely comes through in your writing I'm intrigued too about you interview people in person rather than like this on a phone call obviously that's intentional why is that lots of people um say to me you know sorry for this book for example I traveled all over the world yeah over 250 of the leading experts in the world about right tension and focus and I went from a crazy mixture of people um and places I want to go to places not just experts although they were extremely important but um you know just places that have been affected by tension in interesting ways from favela in Rio de Janeiro where attention had collapsed in a particularly disastrous way to an office in New Zealand where they'd pioneered a really interesting way that restores people's attention and I think it's a combination of reasons um and I think it helps to think about during COVID nobody has said oh great another zoom meeting I guarantee no one listening has heard those words and the truth is if you interview someone of course everyone I interviewed I could have interviewed over zoom or Skype or whatever or phone um and the truth is and all journalists know this if you interview someone by zoom you get about 10 percent of what you get when you meet the person in the flesh partly because um you you're not really meeting them I'm not saying there's no value to these things of course and of course the pandemic would have been even harder to get through without them but but absolutely you you get you get a sense of the person I I find when I I mean there were a few people I interviewed for zoom for this project very few I would say maybe 10 percent of the 250 experts and the truth is I can't remember the ones I interviewed over zoom I mean I can go and read the transcript and I'm like oh yeah they said that right but the ones that I interviewed face to face I know them I can picture them I have a sensory memory of them and they were much more candid and open with me um so I think it's it's for all those reasons um that that it was yeah and it's almost just very often it's in the silences it's in the it's as you're walking out the door they go oh you know there's this other thing you can't leave a silence on zoom they just think the zoom is broken right very often the way you you you want people to continue is um I mean a technique is to kind of posh a word for it but like one you know if you ask someone a question and they give you a short answer if you just carry on looking at them and you carry on nodding you know rather like you're doing right now you know especially in person they'll just there's a pressure to carry on talking if you just leave silences people will often not every time but people often lean in and fill the silence so for me that's a really important and I think I don't know maybe this is a wanky I hadn't thought of it this quite this way before but I think the best way to go on an intellectual journey is to go on a physical journey I think there's something about because apart from anything else you know it took me three years to research this book just like it took me three years for each of my previous books and there's something about as well so let's imagine I've done them all on zoom I could have interviewed everyone on zoom in the space of two months right but there's also the thinking time of like oh so um I could name anyone from the book but let's choose a random one a guy called Professor Marcus Rycall who is an amazing professor in St. Louis, Missouri so I went to St. Louis, Missouri to interview him and then from there I remember right I went to Montreal to interview a load of other experts and even just leaving the interview with him having a day to wander around St. Louis then the time to get get to Montreal all that time I was thinking about him and that interview and processing that interview interesting and in a way that I could have just you know shut the interview you know click end meeting and then teleport effectively to Montreal but I wouldn't get that thinking the thinking time is as important for me as the and and we live in for the reasons I write about in the book we live in a culture that's chronically depriving people of thinking time and space to think and actually just on a journey there's just inevitably space to think right there's more than there is if I just stayed at home. I was saying the other day to my online mentorship tribe around the world that I speak to on zoom twice a month I was speaking to them about the decline of servant leadership in our world and trying to speak about that term that idea and that I think the world is shifting globally from you know self-serving leadership to servant leadership though it's not a mainstream term now I know and one of the things I was aware of is that one of the reasons why I think that has declined is because as you say as a baby boomer I'm 64 I grew up in proper community a bit like your Swiss childhood experiences where we were kind of all raising each of the skids any parent could clip anybody's kid around the ear they're all being jail now but back then it would my mother would thank people for clipping me around the even the local copper could do that and then the guy at the local store get my parents you know stuff on tick or on the slate as we say in England he also entered into the economy of community and did the best you could and then you know the cup of sugar metaphor literally that's what we did as kids I remember all of us my siblings going around borrowing stuff and people borrowing stuff from us something about that face-to-face communal physical involvement that you speak about a lot I know in Lost Connections I grew up in that and of course I realized my kids and my grandkids I've got eight grandkids are not growing up in that I can't find it anywhere so the face-to-face thing that you talk about I completely get that I as you describe it to me I'm thinking yeah the awareness that you're having a face-to-face is more than just the time you with that person it's on your mind during before during and after in the way you say the thing you're describing I think you're so right the thing you're describing it has all sorts of effects but one is relates to children's ability to pay attention so for every child who was diagnosed with attention problems when I was seven years old there's now a hundred children attention problems and there's been this huge rise in children struggling to pay attention at exactly the same time I think not by coincidence that childhood has been radically transformed so and I think there's there's evidence for five factors in this transformation of childhood that are that are severely harming children's ability to develop focus and attention I tell the so you're absolutely right that experience you have so 10 percent of children now ever play outdoors without adult supervision 10 percent and that 10 percent the average time they spend outdoors I think is something like 12 minutes a week so childhood has gone from being something that happened out in the open then happens almost entirely behind closed doors or under closed adult supervision and in the book I tell the story of an amazing woman called Lenore Schnazzi who so Lenore Lenore was a kid in a suburb of Chicago in the early 1960s and when she was five years old she would leave her house on her own and walk to school which was 15 minutes away she'd just catch up with her friends on the way there when they got to the school there was a 10 year old boy whose job was to be the lollipop man to walk the smaller kids across the road she would go into the school then she would leave school on her own and wander around the neighborhood for a few hours kids were just spontaneous they invent games sometimes they play ball games sometimes they invent their own games and then she'd make her make her way home for five or six o'clock when she was hungry that was how everyone's childhood was in the early 1960s and that's what my parents childhood was like that was what human childhood had always been like with a handful of exceptions like plantation slavery monstrous exceptions and that was childhood by the time Lenore by the time you got to the 1990s and Lenore had her own kids childhood had been completely transformed right no one let their children play outdoors and Lenore got involved in this controversy because so one day she took her son Izzy when he was nine on holiday to Mexico and they were in a resort and for the first time and she noticed that he would just run down every morning and the kids would meet up meet up with other kids in the resort and they would just play spontaneously all day and her son it was the first time she didn't have to jolt her son out of bed in the morning he would just and she suddenly rose but for the first time he was getting a taste of what she got for her entire childhood when he came when they came back to New York Lenore her son wanted a little bit of independence so one day he suggested to his mom that they lived in Queens suggested that his mother take him to Bloomingdales which is in Manhattan and leave him there and he could find his own way home so they sat on the floor of the map and they planned it all out and and and she did it and it was a catch in her heart as she left him and an hour later he came home all sweaty and happy and you know feeling really grown up and she was a great thing so she wrote she was a journalist she wrote an article saying what a great you know other parents might want to consider doing this and what happened to Lenore next was insane so she was described by several newspapers and TV shows as the worst mother in America wow she was put on TV shows where she was next to a parent whose child had been murdered as if those were equally likely scenarios that your child would be murdered and your child will be able to get the subway you know a few stops from Bloomingdales and but it led to actually this incredible experience for Lenore because she was well what happened to the culture because all these people saying she was America's worst mother had themselves experienced the kind of childhood she had experienced she's like what happened to parenthood and it's not that the world got more dangerous murder rates massively fell during that time they fell for adults and children and today your child is three times more likely to be hit by lightning than to be killed by a stranger so she's like well what's what's going on here right and she began she's set up an amazing group called let grow which is about restoring childhood and children's ability to play but the reason why I tell this story in my book about attentions is what I learned is there's scientific evidence for 12 different factors that are causing this attention crisis that have got us to the point where the average American college student now focuses on any one task for 65 seconds and the average office worker now focuses for only three minutes and one of those factors is the physical and psychological confinement of our children which is causing it's partly due to the way our school system runs which is terrible and harming attention we can talk about that but this factor you've raised which is really important one there are loads of ways in which it damages attention the first is really basic and obvious exercise right when you kids get to run around which they naturally want to do it causes their brain to grow bigger and to have more neurons physically prevent children from exercising right the second is the skills that children learn in play so think about when Lenore was in that neighborhood just wandering around at the edge of five and from then on what's she learning when she plays with the other kids she's learning how to make things happen right you have to suggest a game that the other kids go along she's learning how to persuade the other children and she's learning how to cope with disappointments sometimes the kids don't want to play the game you suggest sometimes you're going to lose the game she's learning a whole these are and these are not incidental skills as Dr Isabel Benke the Chilean expert on play put it to me you learn how to learn in playing right this is this isn't some some additional add-on this is how we learn to learn everything else we learn is built on this baseline of what children learn when they're playing the third factor is it helps you to cope with anxiety and kids who don't get to play are much more anxious because they they're not they haven't learned that experience of oh I try that it won't work okay I'll cope with disappointment this way and that the fourth is that children learn what they're what they're inherently interested in by running around and playing you know some kids learn that they're the class joker some kids learn that they're good at football some kids learn that they're you know like little science experiments whatever it is but if you're deprived of play if you're managed all the time you don't get to do those things you don't get to find out what you're good at and it's when you discover meaning that you can begin to pay attention this thing's meaningful to you you can pay attention to it and we've stripped all these things out of children's lives right and that's a key reason why our children are really struggling to focus and pay attention because this this common phrase now of on the spectrum seems to be what we're using about lots of these kids which may or may not be a valid diagnosis it may be much more to do with what you're talking about in the book that their focus has been stolen and hijacked rather than there's some autistic trait that needs to be diagnosed and the moment they're given that label and that paraphernalia kicks in it kind of begins to set a precedent for the trajectory of their lives it may be much more to do with what you're talking about don't you think yeah so it's important to stress that autism is a real thing and yeah huge strength as well as causing some drawbacks but but I think you're absolutely right what we what we've started doing with children is we profoundly pathologize difference right and all we even all we pathologize perfectly normal reactions right 73 only 73% of elementary schools in the United States have any kind of recess or what we call playtime right now those kids aren't malfunctioning when they want to run around what's crazy is our system is malfunctioning because we we act like it's normal to get a child who's six years old to sit still for eight hours a day that's crazy a tree hen system yeah exactly that's the the lunacy in it and I think you're right that there's you know I don't want to take this analogy too far but there's a guy I interviewed really made me think about this and it's called Professor Nicholas Dobman and he's a veterinary professor of veterinary science at Tufts University and one day about 20 years ago an owner of a dog came to see him because he was a consultant veterinary consulting dog was called Eagle and Emma she was a beagle and the owner said I've got a real problem my dog won't pay attention to anything my dog runs around all the time and my dog barks a lot what can I do so initially Professor Dobman assigned the owner and the dog to a training class but but it didn't make much difference it was a little bit but not much so at that point Professor Dobman you're going to think I'm joking about this I'm not diagnosed the dog with ADHD and prescribed Ritalin for the dog at which point a few months later the owner comes back and says it's great my dog doesn't bark anymore my dog doesn't run around all the time and and Nicholas Dobman is a pioneer of he's been called the the pied piper of drugging animals so he's been a huge pioneer of the extension of what used to be thought of as human psychiatric concepts to animals so he is partly due to his pioneering work that half of all zoos in the United States now admit that they drug their animals for example there was a polar bear called Snowball who used to pace all the time and Professor Dobman pioneered just giving the polar bear massive massive amounts of Ritalin and Prozac and the polar bear stopped pacing all the time and when I went to see Professor Dobman I thought ahead of time he would say to me about what he calls animal ADHD a lot of what people say about human ADHD I thought it's oh this is just a genetic problem and so on actually to be fair to him he was much more he had a much more sophisticated way of thinking about it he said I said Emma the Beagle do you think you've solved that problem do you think you've solved the problem for Snowball the polar bear he said of course not polar bear in the wild spends all day roaming around they walk right dozens and dozens of miles a dog is meant to have two hours off leash every day at least right these animals don't get that he said of course I'm dealing with a phenomenon that is a product of captivity right it's not some underlying you know biological problem and and I was really I thought it was really interesting because I started to ask myself well he used this phrase which is a lot of these animals have frustrated biological needs right so for example you tell me about another dog that was a sort of ADHD dog in inverted commas that lived in a tiny apartment in Manhattan ran around all the time chased its own tail and then was sent to live on a farm and mysteriously enough the ADHD disappeared when it could run around a farm so I started asking myself how much of the pathologization of children's attention problems now is analogous to Emma the Beagle not all of it is there are some people who as a result of their biological makeup are somewhat more likely to have attention problems than others so you don't want to entirely it's not entirely a result of the environment or not purely in it result of the environment but I think you can see very clearly that a lot of this is a response to the crazy way we expect children to live and there's a wonderful doctor called Sammy Tamimi in Lincoln here in Britain very moving he's a child psychiatrist and he took over a practice in Lincoln maybe uh when did Sammy start 15 years ago and he took over 27 kids who've been diagnosed with ADHD and were being drugged with Ritalin there's a very powerful stimulant drug and remember him describing to me a few of his cases there was a boy called Michael who was 11 so when he overtakes over these 27 cases he interviews all the kids right and their parents to sort of see if they should continue or whether he should pursue other solutions his boy called Michael what happened is he was playing up at school that's not his real name obviously he was playing up at school he was kicking off he was refusing to pay attention and Sammy asked Michael and his mother well when did this begin was anything happening in his life at that point it turned out that's the point at which his dad had left the family and not even spoken to his son so when Sammy's interviewing he's thinking oh maybe maybe this is maybe that's a factor right seems fairly obvious so Sammy phoned Michael's dad and explained to him the problems that his son was having and the dad was quite shame faced he came in to see Sammy and he agreed to start seeing his son once a week within a few months of seeing his dad once a week they began to wean him off these attention these very powerful stimulant drugs and Michael was fine right he didn't have some innate biological problem he missed his dad and he blamed himself for his dad going away now that's not going to be true for every child with attention problems clearly but it is going to be true for a lot of them so I think we need to think and there are more importantly there are lots of doctors and scientists who think we need to think about it but we've been thinking in a very simplistic way about children's attention problems we've also been thinking different in a different but very simplistic way about our own attention problems and I think we need to think in a much more sophisticated way hey thanks for being here today thanks for listening or watching this conversation with you and I hope you enjoyed it leave a comment if you did let's stay connected maybe 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Suspect that's gonna go here, but let's look at this fine fine line up Hannah Charles of st. Lucia Katie rock Barbados Tyra Charles Saint Vincent and the Grenadines Abigail Campbell Jamaica Tiana Springer Guyana Shanky Williams Jamaica Narissa MacPherson Guyana Shania Adelie of Bahamas this is a fine lineup this one looks like a Jamaica versus Guyana battle You're under 17 well I am I am flanked by Jamaica and Guyana at the moment So I'm keeping peace But uh, yeah, you've got your under 17 champion Last year in the person of Springer. She's an outstanding competitor. She's done such great things the South American Record for under 20 already She was the Commonwealth Youth Games champion last year still yet to turn 17 Abigail Campbell Outstanding competitor as well Abigail Campbell won the under 17 400 title at Carrifter in 2022 Has run as fast as 52 27th this season. She is the fastest in the field But the Guyanese athletes look well poised to push her all the way Off they go on the 20 girls 400 final Shanky Williams of Jamaica like she usually does goes out quickly She's in the number six already flying by MacPherson of Guyana and going off to the Bohemian Shania Adelie They get up to 200 meters Charles of St. Vincent and the Grenadines also going well Springer of Guyana and Abigail Campbell of Jamaica with some work to do Shanky Williams has gone really quickly here for the first 300 Springer and Campbell Start to move as they enter the straightaway Charles is in second position for St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Shanky Williams leads here comes Tiana Springer The Guyanese has the advantage It's going to be Tiana Springer the under 17 champion from last year becomes the under 20 champion this year We can't wait until we see this time because where it stopped on the screen and in the field is confusing This is a terrific performance Told you in qualifying. She is no ordinary athlete and she produces a sensational performance. I think especially The champion in on the 17 division in 2022 Abigail Campbell will be disappointed with her own tactics But no issues from this young lady 5231 it's a lifetime best for her. She is correct her on the 20 champion coach Mark squat will be pleased with the police club Chase Academy over in Guyana will be absolutely pleased and I'm sure our guests here this evening All the Guyanese are proud. I by heart was in my Microphone essentially, but the level of composure that she showed I mean the Jamaican athlete miss Williams went out so hard I don't know. It takes a level of composure. I'm not sure I ever had to kind of keep Your mental focus and stick to your a plate race plan all the way through but after that with 120 to go she made a decisive move and just kept going kept going and It was beautiful to watch beautiful to watch just 17 years old has a couple more years and left in this division going from Not something we see very often and especially in the sprints going from being the under 17 champion to now Under 20 champion in the space of one year. Well, Adidas has already realized her talent They've signed a nil deal with her at just 16 years old and changing the game Nail and Tiana Springer strikes gold in the on the 20 division at the Corrifta games in a personal best 52.31 Abigail Campbell 52 85 down on her personal and season's best Thank You Williams of Jamaica with the bronze 5303 that's a personal best for her as well. What a race. What a final? What a performance from Tiana Springer of Guyana as we rush the Gerard Marseille who has a Jamaican record holder


The Department Company of Wilmington, Delaware, makers of better things for better living through chemistry, presents the Cavalcade of America, starring Walter Hamden as Dr. Benjamin M. Dugger in sequel at 70. Our story begins eight years ago, 1943. A small man, a scratch over five feet, a man with blue eyes that snapped and sparkled, walks down the steps of a building on the campus of the University of Wisconsin in Madison and heads for home. Dr. Dugger. Hello, Ed. No, no, no. Wait. That's hardly the way to address a new doctor of philosophy. I'll do that over again. How do you do, Dr. Ball? I still like the Ed better. See, I'm glad I didn't miss you. They told me at the faculty club that you were leaving this afternoon. Now, the leaving, Ed, I've left. Having reached the age of compulsory retirement, as duly set forth by state law, I now gracefully retire to what the poets have called the gentle twilight of repose. Now I'm merely emeritus, a mild Latin phrase, meaning I've served out my time with good behavior. You're not giving up your biological research are you, sir? No, no, of course not. I still have the freedom of the University, the library, the labs. I can even get my mail at the faculty club. So you see, all things considered, I'm in a state of remarkable preservation. But enough of me. And what about you? I'm leaving for the east today. For your job with the letterly laboratories? Yes, sir. That's splendid, splendid. I want to thank you again for recommending me to Dr. Subaru. Well, he's a remarkable man, Ed, and I know you're going to enjoy working with him. I was glad to recommend you. Thank you, sir. Gives me the feeling that some of my boys are in there pitching, opening up new worlds we, old folks, just dreamed about. Oh, well. Do you know what you're going to work on, Ed? Not exactly, but letterly is doing a lot of work on penicillin. So I have a hunch it'll be something along the line of the antibiotics. Wonderful, wonderful. I'll be sure and write me often. Tell me exactly what you're doing. I sure will. And if I can help him in any way, just let me know. I promise that. Good. I suppose you'll be catching up on your gardening and your golf and your fishing with Roy Smathers. I expect to, but at the moment Mrs. Duggar and I intend to emulate the example of the owl and the pussycat. You remember? Hand in hand on the edge of the sand. They danced by the light of the moon. Just listen to that, Ben. This rod will practically whip the trout out of the lake. Well, I ever know what Sam Johnson said about a fishing pole. I don't even know Sam Johnson. Well, he said the fishing pole was just a stick, with a fish at one end and a fool at the other. That old... I expect it's just as well. I don't know this, Sam Johnson.  Well, come. Well, I mean, I was figuring that once you're retired, we'd have some fine times together. Golf, fishing, even some bowling. If my neuralgia let be. But here you've been working harder since you retired than before. Trouble with you is you don't know how to relax. Like you? I do right well at it. Now, look here, Ben.  Sure thing. I can depend on it. Absolutely. And you're sure you can't go fishing today? No, I've been digging up some information at the school for some of my boys and I've got to get it off. What kind of information? Well, Roy, a little something on the effects of sublethal doses of monochromatic ultraviolet radiation on the growth properties of bacteria. You don't say. That's right. What'll I think of next? Well, if you're going to play golf tomorrow and we are aren't we? Absolutely. Then I've got to go fishing today. So I'll see you at the first tee, nine sharp. I'll do that. See you then, Roy. Get a good rest now. I don't need it to beat you. I beg your pardon. Well, what for? I seem to have mislead the address. I had it on a piece of paper. Whose address? Dr. Duggar, Dr. Benjamin Duggar. I had it written down. Oh, well, you ain't so lost as you think you are. Just write up those steps, ring the bell, and if a little fellow with no talent for relaxing whatsoever answers the bell, why, that'll be Dr. Duggar. Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Don't mention it. Yes. Dr. Benjamin Duggar. Yes, sir. I am Dr. Duggar. I am Dr. Subaru. Dr. Subaru of Lederley Laboratory. Yes. Well, what a pleasant surprise. I'm so glad to meet you, sir. Come in, please. It is so lovely out here. I wonder if we could just sit here on the porch. By all means. Now, please, sit down. Thank you. What a charming place. And such a fine-looking flower bed. Ah, that's my pride and joy. I don't know why I get such a kick out of it. It's no better or worse than a thousand other gardens here in Madison. I suppose it represents some kind of psychological outlet. Oh? You can't retire the instinctive urge to work and create something within you. You can't hold it down. Why should you suppress a desire to create? Matter of age and state law. I've been piped over the side, Dr. Subaru. Retired to a snug harbor of peonies and hollyhocks. There, mine. I grew them.  Now, what brings you to Madison, Doctor? Looking for a new talent? I don't know. Do you consider yourself a new talent? Who? Me? Dr. Duggar, what would you say if I told you that I came here today to ask you to come to Lederli Laboratories? What? Oh, no, no, that's impossible. Oh, no, wait, wait. Let us run a few tests before we mark this down as a negative. No, well, no, I... We have begun a series of important research projects at our laboratory. A number of these studies are in your particular field, Dr. Duggar. Investigations into the nature of microorganisms. We have some brilliant young men and our staff. Yes, I can vouch for that. Yes, but none of them have the experience needed to cope with the problems that come up day by day. They need a guide, a counselor, someone to talk to, or rat, as the case may be, someone like yourself. No, no, I'm very happy as I am. Will you think about it anyway? Of course. And let me know. Oh, certainly. I'll think it over very seriously. But not tomorrow. I've retired and I'd rather look forward to my twilight hour. All right. Hello, Doc. I hope you don't mind my making myself at home in your parlor. I've been reading this magazine I found on the table, Journal of Physiology. Got a story on you, do you know it? My wife told me. Didn't you read it? Oh, I haven't had a chance yet.  Now, this last part here is especially nice. Listen to this. Dr. Duggar will probably best be remembered for his noteworthy inquiry into the physiology of mushrooms. As a result of Dr. Duggar's investigations, mushroom cultivation in the United States has become independent of European spawn. Now, that's nice. Now, that's wonderful, isn't it, Roy? To be best remembered for an inquiry into the physiology of the mushroom. That's great. Well, no, there's nothing like a good mushroom. Especially if there's a thick steak under it. Every day, men are unlocking great news doors of science. Men in my own field finding wonderful new methods of curing disease and preventing death. And I, I'll be remembered for the mushroom. By golly, that does it. Does what? I'm going to wire Dr. Subaru that I accept his proposition. I'm going back to work. But you can't do that. You're retired. I'm retiring from retirement. Is that against the law? Maybe it ain't, but it sure as heck ought to be. You wanted to see me, Dr. Subaru? Oh, yes, Dr. Duggar. Come in, please. Let's sit down. Thank you. Dr. Duggar, I have a problem. Well, this is the house that problems built. That's what the letter of the research laboratory is for. Habitory research is only part of this problem. Possibly the smallest part. Well, can I help? Yes, I think you can. I need advice. Lately, I've become very proficient in the questionable art of giving advice. Dr. Duggar, you have done wonders for our staff in the time you have been with us. The value of your advice has been anything but questionable. Now, I need some myself. Oh, all right. We are thinking of undertaking a new series of research projects here at Lederle.  Sounds interesting. In the past few years, the world of medicine has found a sharp new weapon against disease, the antibiotic. First, the sulfur drugs, then penicillin from the large moles, and this year streptomycin from the small moles. Our feeling is that we have not even approached the full potential of these small moles, and we want to get into them. Why not? I think that's a splendid idea. Now, if these were normal times, I would set a whole string of investigators at work, teams of men, but we are at war. You men available to us with proper training to head up this program are unvital war projects.  That is my problem. Who is going to do this job? I see, yes. That sounds like a long-term project. It will be. Should be headed up by a man with a fresh point of view. It needs a young man's approach. It surely does. What do you think? Have you any suggestions? Well, yes. Yes, I think I have just a man to fill the bill. Who? Fresh point of view. Young man's approach. Yes. I'm sure I have your man, Dr. Sivaro. His name? Duggar. Duggar? Now, why didn't I think of that myself? And I think he'll take the job. Well, if he will, he has it. He will. And he's darn glad to have it. Good, good. You know, Dr. Sivaro, I was beginning to get worried. Giving advice is all right enough, but you never know what to do with your hands. Now, this is more like it. Just keep a man busy, doing what he loves to do, and believe me, he'll never find time to grow old. Dr. Duggar? Oh, hello, Pete. What's it got for me? Another shipload. Fine, just load the boxes on this table here. Yes, sir. Say, Dr. Duggar, what's in these boxes? They come from all over. Shoe boxes, cigar boxes, coffee containers. What's in them? Dirt. Oh, dirt. Dirt? Uh-huh. Plain dirt? Common garden variety. You're kidding. No. But this I don't understand. Dirt is something you get rid of, not collect. What do you do with it? The dirt? Yeah, the dirt. Well, I put about three grams into a test tube, add about 25 cc of water. Oh, come on, Doc. Cut it out. I mean, what are you looking for? Oh, what am I looking for? Well, now let me see. Pete, you know what germs are? Sure. Would you ever stop to think how many germs fall to the ground every day? Billions and billions of them. Isn't that right? I guess so. Now, what happens to them? I don't know. Well, something happens to them. If they just stayed nice and healthy, pretty soon the soil would be so loaded with disease-producing germs, everything that grew in the soil would be contaminated, not safe to eat. And nothing to eat. The world would just starve to death. Gee, I guess that's right. But we know that isn't so. We know that something in the soil kills off these germs before they can get to do much harm. Gee.  One of these molds produces penicillin. Another type produces streptomycin. Well, we're testing soil from all over the country to see if we can find other molds that will give us new drugs to fight disease. Understand? Sure. But if what you say is so, doctor, then there should be an easier way to keep healthy. Well, how could that be? Any kid could tell you. Just don't wash. You're listening to the Cavalcade of America starring Walter Hamden, sponsored by the DuPont Company of Wilmington, Delaware, makers of better things for better living through chemistry. Tonight on the Cavalcade of America, Walter Hamden is appearing as Dr. Benjamin M. Duggar in Sequel at Seventy. 1945, the year that will bring an end to World War II. Dr. Benjamin M. Duggar rather definitively celebrates his 73rd birthday. Normally it would have been quite an occasion, but not this year. Dr. Duggar has a new job at letterly laboratories at Pearl River, New York, and he's much too busy. If you have a minute, Dr. Cibero, I'd like you to take a look at some of these culture plates. Why, of course, is something interesting? They're all interesting. Every soil sample we've tested has shown us something different. Oh, pardon me, Dr. Duggar. Dr. Cibero here. Dr. Cibero, this is Ed Ball. Is Dr. Duggar with you? Yes. Just a moment. For you, Dr. Duggar. Oh. Hello?  I, uh, something wrong? No. All right. Ed Ball wants me in the lab. Trouble? I don't know. Come along, I will go with you. I was just doing a routine check on our isolate 377. Here's the plate. Now, take a look at it. Not a sign of a bacterial culture. Plenty of mold. No bacteria. Very odd. Let me see. Are you sure the plate was seated with bacterial culture? What's done routinely? No strep colonies, none at all. Probably a sterile plate got in by mistake. Might be. It might, but I doubt it. Well, let's not try to guess. Run another series on isolate 377. Let's just make sure. Well, Dr. Duggar? Not a sign of bacterial growth. The whole plate is clear. Then it wasn't a sterile plate the first time. No. But even penicillin doesn't show that much inhibiting power. No, it doesn't. And look at the mold. Well, what about it? Well, the color. Gold. Pretty, but at the moment a little beside the point. I think we need a lot more evidence before this qualifies before it knocks. Now, let's get a pure sample. Run some vitro tests. See what the chemists, the biologists, the pharmacologists have to say. I need to remind you, young man, that the... I know. All the clitters isn't taxable. You take it. When I was just about your age, Ed, the Klondike Gold Rush was in full swing. And I remember a lot of men who went into the Yukon after Gold and came out with nothing but frostbite. Here are the first vitro reports on A377. In the test tube, it shows a range of activity that overlaps penicillin and streptomycin. But the great thing, Dr. Duggar, is that it extends over into the regions that the other drugs can't touch. Good. That's good, Ed. Can we start testing with mice? I think so. Make up a broth of A377 and get it to the labs. Let's see how it works within the body. Dr. Duggar, I have just been sent the lab reports. Yes, how does it look? In a number of cases, it produced some remarkable cures in mice that were infected with disease-producing microbodies. Say, that's great. But in others, a number of others. A377 proved highly toxic. Dr, it did not cure the animals. It killed them. Yes? It's that ball, Dr. Duggar. Oh, Ed, come in. I'm sorry to bust in on you this way, Dr. After I left Dr. Subaro's office, I shot over to the animal lab. I checked and rechecked the tests. The head of the lab worked for hours with me, and he's as sure as I am. I'm sure of what I did. It had nothing to do with killing those mice. It was some impurity in the broth that contained it, not A377 itself. But how can we be sure? The chemistry department is going right to work on a method of getting pure crystals. Absolutely pure. And I'm telling you this, what we've got is 14 carat gold and not frostbite. Dr. Duggar, look at that. Have you ever seen a healthier batch of mice? Yes, yes. Did you believe that a couple of days ago they were sick to death with a dozen different diseases? It's wonderful, Ed. If we can get A377 to show the same response in humans as it has obviously done in these animals, we'd have something, Ed. Something good. Well, that'll take time to find out. But at least we know we're on the right track. There we are. Ed, you know, I think we'll have a christening. Right here, now. A christening? Sure. I think A377 rates a name. Oh, good. Have you thought of anything? How about, um, let's see. It's color is gold. Oreo, from the Greek, having the appearance of gold. Oreo mycin. I like that. Oreo mycin. You know, Ed, all along I felt that this was my special baby and, uh, becoming a father at my age is, well, it's rather a nice experience. Here on the case wants to use Oreo mycin. But we've never tested it on a human with a rickettsial disease. I know. The mission will have to come from Dr. Cox. He's director of rickettsial research at the laboratories. Doctor? Well, I'll come right away. Dr. Dugger. Yes? I'm Dr. Lefkowitz, Albert Fishbind's physician. I'm glad to know you. This is the boy's father, Dr. Fishbind. Well, how do you do? Thank you for coming, Doctor. Well, I have the Oreo mycin here. It can be given by mouth. Oh, yes. How many capsules? I think, uh, one every four hours would be about right. At least, uh, Dr. Cox suggests that dosage. Fine. Now, you gentlemen understand that we've never tried this antibiotic on a human being suffering from rickettsial disease. Yes, we know that. It's true that it's been shown to be effective on laboratory animals, and I'm sure I don't have to point out that that's no guarantee it will work to any degree with humans. Dr. Fishbinder, I want you to understand that clearly. This is the first time that Oreo mycin is being used under these conditions. I understand, Dr. Dugger. Everything else has failed. Everything that's been tried. Let's try this. All right, let's give it a try. Hello? We'll be there in 30 minutes. Come on in. Here's the story, Dr. Dugger. As you know, we began treatment with Oreo mycin Wednesday night. Then something happened. Thursday, Albert came out of the coma and his temperature began to drop. Friday, his temperature was down again. Then this morning, well, uh, suppose you look at the patient. May I? By all means. He's, uh, right in this room. Hello, Dr. Dugger. Oh, hello, Dr. Fishbinder. This is my associate, Dr. Ed Ball. How do you do? Uh, how's the boy? Ask him. Albert, this is Dr. Dugger. He's the man who found the medicine we've been giving you. Uh, how do you feel, Albert? Not so good. Not so good? No, I'm starving. When does a guy get a square meal in this place? I guess you're going to be all right, sonny. Yeah. Gee, it was lucky you found that medicine, Dr. It wasn't luck that found that medicine, Albert. What was it then? It was something called experience, Albert. Experience, Dr. Dugger? Yes, boy. It's, uh, a little something, a characteristic most commonly found among people of, uh, advanced age. On the Cavalcade players for tonight's DuPont play, sequel at 70, the story of Dr. Benjamin M. Dugger, discoverer of Oreo Mison. Next week, the DuPont Cavalcade will present the famous hero of World War II, now a Hollywood star in his own right, Audie Murphy. Our play, The Fields Are Green, is a story of the land of a small farm and two young men who redeemed it and were honored by a great organization of American youth. Be sure to listen. Tonight's DuPont Cavalcade, sequel at 70, starring Waldo Hamden, was written by Irv Tunick, George Petrie was Dr. Ball, Guy Repp was Dr. Subaru, and Parker Fennelly was Roy. Music was composed by Arden Cornwell and conducted by Donald Boris. The program was directed by John Zoller, to Ceci Harris speaking. Don't forget next week, our star, Audie Murphy. Our play, The Fields Are Green, The DuPont Cavalcade of America comes to you from the Velasco Theater in New York and is sponsored by the DuPont Company of Wilmington, Delaware. Makers of better things for better living through chemistry. Next, it's Hollywood Theater with Deborah Carr on NBC.