We have Victor, we have Shane, and we have Mench. Welcome. And who do we have on the Zoom? Just to Orca. Just Orca? Mm hmm. Okay. If anyone else zoomed in. Let me know. Yes. Somebody let me know. So nothing else. Yeah. Okay. So. First up on the agenda. Yes. We have an amendment in the, in the other business. Well, so. We need to talk about brush cutting on class four ropes. Involving a certain select board member who was in here. But I'm going to say while we have. The gentlemen from the road through here, we should discuss that. At the end of their. Okay. That's okay with everybody. Rather than keep them here until we get around. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Liz. Liz would like to talk about overtime for. One member of the road. Okay. At the. The greater presentation. So we'll talk about that. Okay. Okay. No, we're going to do it at the end of the road gentlemen are still here. Okay. So. So. My way to partner update. Who's up? Wait for the. Get back on the road. Hopefully by the end of this week. We can move it. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Done. One. Almost four miles of ditching so far this summer. Yep. The only five is he. 400 feet of Colberton. So it's been busy. Yeah. Yeah. We've been waiting here and there when it says we're not going to get rain. So. No, they only did the flat. That was really rough. Yeah. We saw you do. Yeah. Was. Yeah. Like this in the middle. So. I mean, the one thing I would say when you can. And I don't think it's an emergency. By. Beautiful ditching along the scale. The way the road is made. The water runs right down the road. Watches. It doesn't go into that. I'm hoping to think tomorrow afternoon. Yeah. Thursday, maybe. Yep. Just kind of the peace and purpose of those beautiful ditches. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little bit of grading and some resurfacing. The only other. The only other thing I would say. When you can. And I don't think it's an emergency. By. Beautiful ditching along the scale. The way the road is made. The only other. The only other thing I have. You may have some more stuff. Is. Just put it right out of my head. It wasn't important. Oh, right ahead. I'm sure we'll come back.  They don't grow for now. The. Walk and roll in the. Wow. For the greater should be here. Should be in Wilson by the end of this week. They're going to call me by the end of this week. Set up a time. Put them on. One day. Yeah. What was the price again on their lower. 35,000. I told my kids it was five. Wow, that's really. But I'll ask. You can't buy a better driver seat. All right. I'll correct that. Yeah. Uniform. Yep. I just think it's a safe money. We really ought to think about switching. I mean. Universal charging a lot of money. Right now, as it stands. We're paying $5,600 a year just shy off for uniforms. Without Charles and I don't have full uniform yet. I still don't have all my pants. Charles doesn't get shirts because they won't get them the right size. And. If you add them both together, it's $7,200. We pay through the first. And then the rags we get for cleaning up grease and messes. There's another. 1338. Bringing it to $8,500. Does that clean that's cleaning too. Yeah. And we can go through Foley's. With all uniforms and rags for $2,800 a year. I mean, that's $5,700 difference in. We opt out now. There's supposedly a penalty. I think we'd get out of it. But if you couldn't, you'd be paying $5,700 a year. It's half of the previous 26 weeks. When you tell them you're done. So I figured out at $1,800. Roughly. It would be give or take depending on. So. Am I wrong? We were thinking that their contract. It actually runs. It runs till next fall. Now. The guy tried to get me. On. A new contractor through your contract. He said, because if you look at the invoices, they're charging. They give you two separate invoices, a rag invoice and uniform invoice. And I called back in January and complained about that. And they said, well, we can get you on one, one invoice. We have to. Do a new contract. And I'm like, so they're charging us $26 on one invoice. Pretty much. That. Charges. Saying no more. Yeah. Saying no more. So, I mean, we want. I mean, we want to get you on that. We had to pay the balance. So. We had to pay the balance. So. We had to pay the balance. So. We had to pay the balance. We had to pay the balance. We had to pay the balance. I'll just say, I'm not a good employer. I'm not a good employer. Is a doctor. I'm not a good employer. So I mean, we want, we want to spike them. We wanted to spike them before. So it makes economic sense to do it. Even if we have to pay the $1,800. But I thought it was they had to, we had to pay the balance of the contract or something. No, it says right on that. things in here. You're including when you're giving these numbers, the def charge, the garment maintenance, the garment setup, and the garment emblem. And I'm not saying we shouldn't change. I just think we need to, before we enter into anything we should, there's almost $41 worth of charges that are not the uniform charges. My first question is, I'm assuming we're still gonna have some of these charges with Foley. So I think we should definitely, because we're paying $22.93 for a full set of uniforms. We are paying for shirts for Peltier, for three of them. We're paying for two jackets for Peltier. And we're paying for 11 shirts for you and four pairs of jeans for you and a couple of jackets. But I do think before you do it, we should stop and really get all the charges in there to make sure we know what we're entering into. They're right here. Okay. The garment program is $3.06. Okay. And the fuel environmental fee is $3.70 and $4.60. $3.70. So it's almost $54 a week for them to come to uniforms. They have a five-year contract too, but with the universe, if you don't catch it and forget about the contract, if you look at the fine print, it's supposed to renew itself and just be rolling over with the Foley, it does not. And I contacted Sintas and he wanted to know what we were paying before he'd give me a price. And I said, I'm not doing that. You give me what you can do. And he said, no, well, it's gonna be a price. So is that for four full sets of uniforms? Everyone has complete uniforms. Winter jackets? Yep. Is there one short, one long? Okay. Is there a changing out between summer uniforms and winter uniforms? And I haven't seen that yet here. No, it's not. That's why it's a question. No, no. I thought when I first started, they said they switched out summer winter jackets. No, because we've been buying t-shirts. So the question becomes, do we then eliminate t-shirts or will we still have t-shirt expenses? So that was kind of where my question is. I think I don't have any t-shirts. I bought my own, but I think if you want to go with the safety t-shirts, we should still buy the t-shirts. Because the other shirts are long-sleeved shirts. Yeah, I know it. You can get short-sleeved shirts. I mean, we didn't marriage the other, I mean, but the guys liked the long-sleeved in the winter, so. I know your father got some kind of t-shirt and had them screen-printed with. And we can do that through bevins if you guys want. Yeah, he did them through deer fields. How do we get them clean? You got 15 pieces, I think. You guys wash the t-shirts yourself. Yeah, they take them all. I washed my own uniform myself, so was Charlie. Bruce is pretty much on the one that brings his back right now. I mean, the other option you can have is you can do like Wooster Desk, that they bought their guys, see seven sets of pants, two jacket, so many shirts, so many t-shirts. So they might have paid $600, $800 a year, and they, or every two years, they said they would update their uniforms. They had them embroidered by somebody. So, I mean, you can look at that option, too, if you wanted to. And who cleaned them? They cleaned them themselves, and the down one gives them a queen's piece. They just X amount of dollars, so. Yeah. I'm all for, I'm all for going with clothing, but I agree with the rent, I think we need to. I'll call Mark tomorrow and have him bring a contract and double debt, but everything's right here in the trophy game. I mean, that's a huge difference. When they're charging $22.93 a set, and they're gonna do all four sets for that same price, it's like pretty amazing. I mean, that's what I'm wondering, is it really? Wow. $10.56 for 33 pants on one line and $4.18 for 11 on a different one, because some of them want cargo, some of us want jeans. That's amazing. $44 workshirts, $14. It's so nice of the minutes that 50, you keep calling it debt charge or something, a $54.08, that's delivery informs every other week, or is that? That's every week. Every week to $54.08 to delivery informs every week. Yeah. So, I can double check with Mark tomorrow and have him bring a contract, so we can look at it before we change. Is it worth talking to the other place that we do it with and say, what gets, why are they so much cheaper? I've talked to Bob, I know one of the head guys down in White River, or West Lebanon, and the cheapest that they would come down to was $100. He said, well, I don't know how they can do that cheap. They miserable to deal with, to be honest with you. That's why Maryshield got rid of them years ago, because their price kept going up now, and I was with Maryshield, they're getting uniforms, and the town clerk was getting two guns for $39 a week, and that includes, that also includes the racks. Who knows, maybe they don't give their place benefits or something like that. Yeah, I don't know. So, what I would suggest is, we move to make the change subject to Narendra's final approval and sign up. So, I work for you, Narendra. Yeah, I mean, I don't feel it, so I need to approve it. I just wanted to be able to give you a fair comparison. I mean, that's your choice, and it just seems like a huge... That you're comfortable in the same... Yeah, and then my second question would be, from what I've heard through the grapevine, that people have not paid that, when they charge you the 50%, the cancellation, they've just walked away from it. So, the question would become, do we walk away for it, or do you want to pay? I mean, when Cabot, and from what I hear, of course, this is your same approach, if it's accurate, 100%, but Cabot left them, and the lawyer said, bring in support, and the university dropped it. Because they didn't have a leg stand on it. I would suggest we take the second approach. We've given them every opportunity to speak competitive, do better. They've always pushed back and said, this is all we can do. They can't get you the proper... Well, we're fighting with them right now, over a hundred and some dollar charge, I think. Yeah, they said that I own four pair of pants. Well, I only got four pair in the beginning. They had another four pair that were ripped, and I said, no. And I gave them to the guy and sent him back, and then they said, Paul had pants that were missing. Well, Jay found them in his closet, mixed with his. So he brought them back three months ago, and I told the guy, this is the old road foreman. You guys are trying to charge us for it. You need to bring it back. And he said, okay. And we had the same thing when I don't remember the last road crew, not Paul, but I can't remember who the last one. They charged us for all kinds of uniforms that they said would never turned in. And it becomes their driver's word against our word. And of course, they're going with what their driver is saying. I think for all the reasons, I mean, we've freshed this over a number of times over the last year, and we've always included the same thing, which would definitely change. We just have to figure out when it's the right time to do it. So how long does it take them to get all the uniforms and boarders set up? I'm ready to go. We say, we say, we have them, they just set up. I asked him that today, how long? Because I want no availability because that's what Unifers claim. They can't get these jeans because they come from Tennessee or something because of the trucking. So I asked him the same question and they had, they have a bunch of tire places. They just took on two weeks, pull the uniforms, everything. Once we told them your phone to you. So he said, give it three just to make sure, but... Yeah, so when we pull a plug, we should say like this, such and such a day. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be the best. So was something we're willing to make that motion? I can show you. I'll do it. Okay, I thought you did make a motion. Oh, well I can. Yeah. No, I don't make a motion. He doesn't make a motion. Oh, okay. I'm sorry, sorry. Only under, only under extreme circumstances. Okay. I will re-terminate our contract with Unifers and switch to Foley's to provide road through uniforms. It was an effective day to be determined. To be determined. So after the renders, we're going to answer what we're doing. After the renders, after the town treasurer's review. Perfect, thank you Mary. Is there a second? Yeah, I second. Okay, thank you. Hi, Shane, I'm Mary Skinner. Hi Mary Skinner. Nice to meet you. All in favor of the motion, which has been moved in second, please say aye. Aye. Thank you, follows. Done. I was repeating. So everybody has to understand that's why I was doing it. So make it happen as I say. Okay. Can I ask a couple of quick questions Shane? And why doesn't Charles culture like the uniforms? And if he doesn't. They don't fit in. He told them and told them and told them since he's been here. This is the story I'm getting. He's got three shirts that fit him. He doesn't wear them very often. He needs a tall shirt and he's been arguing with the guys and they bring back the same uniform he has. They don't fit in. But he might like the holy shirts. Hopefully they get them the right size. Okay, good. What's he wearing in the meantime? He wears, he has a t-shirts and his hoodie. He wears when it's cold and the orange ones and he wears it while you wear a jacket. Can I ask one more question? Yes, Mary. What have we been doing because we wanted to have sure three shirts to the guys at university. They said they couldn't provide them. And so in the summer we got to wear t-shirts. Is that what they're doing now? We're in t-shirts instead of t-shirts. They're in the summer, yes. And they have, most of what we have and we want to have down the middle section. And did we order those? I don't think we have any new one yet. Because I mean, I know people saw it for once and saw the fear of the ones with the fear of the more. So it's not appropriate. Yeah. We bought them last summer. We just probably haven't bought new ones this year. Well, I just wanted, I'm just kind of picking the parts of my brain in that outstanding issues that you know for us. Well, we should wait and see what's fully... Right. Well, you can get short-sleeved shirts and that's where we had it, Mary. Oh, really? Would they wear those? Over the t-shirt or not? They might or maybe you can get half and half. Yeah. I can ask them that too if they should put them on. Great, thank you. Let's just make sure the savings is really there. Right. That's incredible. All of a sudden, find out exactly what Brenda was talking about. Well, I would say, I think they're just down on that reputation of being so much better at dealing with cutting. Yeah, that's... I mean, that's half, I mean, you're paying half of one set for all the sets. Which... We always thought it was too high. Yeah. Anyone? So now I remember the other thing I wanted to talk about, which was greater tranquility. Where do we stand on that? And I understand the boys don't think they want it or need it. Charles and I did it. We did the... We did the class on the way. Oh, you did? Yeah. But we haven't, we haven't. We got to August 30th to sign up. It's on the first come first serve basis to get Stu Johnson, the state radar operator. Yeah, that's what I was talking about. And what you're talking about is, Jay didn't want to do it. You know what? Do you want to do it? I would, I'm sure, be interested. Because you'll come out, right? Right, it comes right out. But we got to do it before the 30th of August because I can't get it done. Yep. Yeah, we just have to, we just have to... If we can't get it, if we can't get it, we can't get it, but I don't care. I don't care whether Jay wants to do it or not. As far as I'm concerned, we don't. You're doing it. I mean, it could be... Yeah, if Stu's done it, he's going to do it. Yes. And he'll do it at Stu's dump. We have Stu dump, I'm sure he'll do it. I mean... Anything we can get, especially when it's free, he teaches us how to get us that machine. That's right. He's only got it. I guess he has done it before. Yeah, he did. He said he gave all the stuff to Charles. Yeah, he did. He brought all the books in because he's taken Stu to class before that. So... But this machine is different up until the 30th of August. Because it's George Vickler. He's gotten pretty good with it real quick, pretty rushed. He's doing a decent job with it. So... It's for Tiger Guns 30th. It's for Tiger Guns 30th. So, John, if you work for the mom with the bros... Oh, yeah. He's the guy that does the greater job. Hi. Man, hope we can get him. Let's get him. I have a couple of real quick questions. Has the screener come yet? Because I've still got that. It'll be here on... He called me or came here with me yesterday with the W-9 stuff and said it was being loaded then. It will be here by the end of the week. So just let me... Because I've got the check, but I'm not going to mail it until we have it. I told him we didn't mail it until we saw it and looked at it. Okay. I didn't mail it either. Awesome. And the other thing, I'm holding the check for Lafayette. Is there any resolution on that? We're going to have to ban at least that money. I mean, they just want... That's all done. It's all moved. They moved it yesterday to where it was supposed to be in initial. Now, it's a lot of confusion and confusion now. I haven't heard back from Jim Coda yet because I asked him because Jamie called the one that installed it, called the state, like the thing said to do. And they said, well, you're supposed to come out in person. But he said, do you guys know what to do? And he said, well, we want to move it into the 50s a little ways because of the signage. And the guy told me to go ahead and do it. And then supposedly someone turned us in. So I don't know who or what. And they said because it was in the 50, it had to go back to the 35 where we had to go through the board process and pay for it to get the speed limit moved out there. And it was going to be... So I mean, it makes no sense to me. You know, when I've been, as I drive around studying at these different towns, posts, speed changes, and where they put up that seems to be all over the place. It does, I agree. It's not like... I'm sorry, what? Maybe no one's caught the other towns or hasn't turned them in like they did in our town. I think somebody, it's the old Vermont thing, one person made a complaint and then it got run out of the ladder and all of a sudden it's a problem. Nobody gripes. That's exactly what happened.  And they have for a few years. So I mean, they don't want to drive up that way. It's going to stay here. And my position is that there may be extinguishing circumstances honest to God, I don't care. It's their job to get together with the state and put it in the right place. And however it happened, they didn't do it. So I'm fine paying for the original bill to do it, but I don't want to pay for moving them. So if they say, you know, we moved it at our expense, then you should release the chapter until they do that. Continue to hold the chapter. Okay. That makes sense too. Yeah. Other board members? Yeah. The other thing was to do that. But the sign on the north end. Nope, we changed it this afternoon. We did. I called Jamie and asked him, because I called Brent and asked him why the sign weren't put on the post because it's in the permit that they're supposed to do that. And Brent said, yes, they will do it. And they did one yesterday, but not the other one. So I got done this afternoon, I went and checked and they were doing it then. So they will be like they're supposed to be. And I email, call Kristen and let her mess it because she's the one according to Jim that we have to please and make happy. So she's the one that's authorized where they were to be put in it first for her. So. So could you just ask a question for clarification? Do you check should be paid or should not be paid? Should not be paid until they read so they don't have to move it. Until they would create a way to constantly move it. And if they refuse to waive the box then she will try and bargain with it. And I don't know what we'll do, but let's hope they would make sure we want to do it. So. Well, are they the ones that put it in the wrong place? What? They're the ones that put it in the wrong place. You know, whether they were told to do it or whether somebody said it was okay to do it. I don't care. Came back and it was in the wrong place. So the other issue is and I left you a message, Victor and I forgot my message. Say for now. Mary's been trying to get a hold of you about brush cutting on. We connected yesterday. Oh, you did? Yeah. So you're also. We've got two hours left, Mary. It wasn't that long ago. Oh, okay. All right. Victor did most of the talking. So what it did cause me to do is read over our town or middle sex class for roads and trails policies. And the steps that we missed doing this is we agreed when we adopted that policy to notify letting landowners when we gave permission for a brush cutting. So we didn't do that. So we need to be careful in the future to let Sarah know so she can not notify. I presume Mary, you're willing to wave that notice at this point in time you've been noticed. As they say. Well, I was noticed when they appeared on my property. Oh, I don't mean to be. I don't mean to be started. I'm just saying we don't need at this point in time to send you notice, right? You've met with Victor and you're. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Yeah. When I read that last book policy, it sounds like the landowner goes to the road commissioner. Road commissioner gives permission. A road commissioner then comes to the next left board meeting and says, this is what's happening. We put it in the minutes. That's so far has not happened yet. So we do that. It's not at the border. And we just want to make sure to get the order right. And then the town clerk notifies the butters that this is what's happening. Is that to say you're reading the hospital policy? Are you asking me? I'm asking the board. Because I've never seen a fire. I read it. I read it. Yes. OK. So we also should get something in the minutes and what's going on. Otherwise, there's been no actual discussion that's happened. So they should say what happened. What permission was given to whom? We should do it. Because the person who wanted to cut the brush or cut the trees or do what? What would they give permission to do? Cut on the class three section, not on the class four. No, not on the class four, too. No. Never said anything about that. It was never mentioned. So if you want to follow him, go ahead. I thought that was all part of that. You remember the permit? And to know we had a couple of slide boards ago. There was a permit. There was a permit. And the whack was when I cut it and all that stuff. So I thought my understanding from Mary was that the landowner was cutting on the class four section. The landowner was not me. It was someone else who is a butts of tail end to my property. I was cutting on my property without not. And Vic told me that the permit that was granted to him, he could do it on the. Someone told me that he was given permission under the permit. I think it was the other landowner. What are you saying, me? No, I think that Mark told me that he was given permission by you under the permit for the class four section. That's a bald face of mine. I'm just trying to recollect who told me what. You're not saying that. And Shane knows because I went with Shane. It was quite a while ago. And he called up the heat. Mark Hannon called me and said, I wanted to know that he wanted us to cut the trees on the class three section in front of marriage. He was very nervous about marriage. So I only met the man. No, that's one more time than I have. But anyways, so it's not a class three section. So I told him that we did not have the whereabouts to do it. I checked with Shane. I said, do we have funds? And do we have time to do it? We're pretty busy. And I called Gary, or had Gary, had him call Gary. And Gary told him that there wasn't any issue with the tree warden. And so we're so it's on. What we were talking about or what was in my mind is the class three section where the canopy comes over. He had to get his he's moving the house there. He says it's 14 feet high. I think it has to be because I don't think you can go over 14 feet, 14, 3, something like that. Sometimes it's 13, 6 to get the permit to go through with the house. And he wanted to cut those out. Cut the branches. The branches. He did not cut a tree. I don't believe he cut a tree in that class three section. Not me. He wanted branches. He cut branches. He cut branches and I mean, he did a pretty nice job. I mean, I looked at it yesterday and, you know, and I don't think that's it still looks the same. I don't understand the problem. The problem is he's bringing his house in on the truck. Yeah. And the branches are over the road. No, I understand that. But what is the why are we talking about this? What is the Mary's upset? Okay. Mary is the landowner who said someone was on her property cutting trees. Of course. There's no notice to me from anybody. But is it really your property when it's on the right of way for the town? What is the property issues? There's a nice question to the town. I just wondered about the process. The process is that somebody shows up who's not even living anywhere here and starts cutting them. I thought that you could, even though it was like my property, it's on the town right of way, they could just do without whatever they want without. But who's the they and what's the notice that was one? So normally on the press pre-section would be us. Right. Right. Well, they hired the class. They were also McCullough Hill road. They hired that crew that came from, I don't know if we paid for it, if Washington Electric paid for it, who paid for it? But they, they, they engaged that crew from Highway to Cut-On McCullough Hill roads. I was only going for a fast experience. I didn't just get it. Well, and Green Mountain Power had that crew that did all along East Hill, mostly around their power line. A lot of their power lines are in our right of way. So. Is there something that we need to change on this? I don't think so. What's that? There's nothing we need to change on this. No, we just need to follow it. Okay. That's why I'm really confused because it doesn't seem to be a solution to the class for issue here. The only class for issue with this, apparently, Mark, is his name. Yeah. Was cutting on the class four section and Victor was saying that he didn't have permission to cut it. Oh, sorry. But how did they get that all through Washington Electric? So when it cut it? No. So they had to pay in and it's a war. Recently, we're not talking about when Washington Electric put their power line and we're talking, I thought, Mary, you said they were doing it just last week. And it was from on the class three from, right? But I'm saying he was cutting on the class four, too big for himself. Just a small one. I am not aware of that. So we're talking, he did two cuttings. So cutting on the class three. I did it all at once, but it was a small section. And then he also passed the class four. I mean, he didn't go down all the way to his property. He did it on a small section of four or something. So. And I'm just concerned about who actually did it. They were themselves? No, no. He hired these guys without electricity, without chainsaws. They did it all with clickers and everything. They picked it up and they swept the road and they made it all clean. I mean, if you went up to Mary's, I mean, I, if you went up there and look down from a road from the center road towards Mary's house, I could not tell you that it really looks a heck of a lot of difference. It's not like they might- All I'm saying is I didn't get any notice from anybody. I was just- I mean, how do you think he was going to, you've been in controversy with this man for years, months. No, that's not true. It is true. And Washington Electric, we had a meeting about that. You know that it was Clinton power. And I mean, what do you think he was going to fly that house in?   It's, it's our rightful. I'm talking, I don't think I'm entitled to go to this town. I think I'm entitled to go to someone else, right?  You got all busted up, crying, you were worried about your trees as a human being, even though I don't think I did anything wrong.  I had no idea. And I'm sorry about that. And you said, okay, but is there ever an end? Is there ever an end? I don't bring this up. Somebody did. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Who are they from? I don't know. Oh, that's right. Sorry about that. Okay. Well, are we, are we, are we good for that? I'm good. Mary, you're okay? Yeah, but what is that? It's just going to continue this way. That's all. Not me, but just the gentleman. Well, it would class three sections. It's, the town routinely does that. And I'm not aware that we ever give anybody notice. Even if somebody else cuts it. I mean, this guy was the owner of the person. The higher-down was personally pointing out the priest's cuts. Wait, is that what we're going to allow? Well, I'll, I've tried to give people notice. Even when we did these, we got some trees on. And I don't remember the gentleman's name. A bunch of the trees were on his land. I mean, they're growing in town right away. He's got some big old maples. And I said, we're going to be ditching up through here. He said, I got every tree I wanted. He just asked, please, we didn't hurt the roots of those big old maples. And I said, fine, we did it. And he was already with it and it looked good afterwards. Something like that on people's property. I try to at least let them know or ask them if it's all right. I mean, apple tree, you're technically supposed to ask to cut them or get permission to cut them or have them cut them. But I try to give people notice when I'm doing the cutting. So they at least notice. And that's great. But the question is, the practical matter, we do not have to give notice. No, you don't have to. Class three grows. Now, the courtesy is a nice select. People know what's going on. I agree. But I am reluctant to make it our policy that we promise that we're going to give everybody notice on class three to grow. Well, and I think all Mary's asking is if there's other. Well, not the best four part, but like if there's, if we are not able to do it. Over and we're OK with someone else doing it. What is that? That it sounds like that happens for awhile, right? Like we have to contact it out because we don't have the time for it. That's not an unusual thing. But I would say that as long as there's been some conversation about where the tree is being cut or which area is being dealt with, that you assume that that company who's doing it knows what they're doing and shouldn't have a townsperson standing there saying, oh, it's got to be that tree and that's the only way. They didn't think they didn't do it.  He's still we hired do boys. And if you look at it down there, they crushed a lot of trees. Shane said he was going to go back and cut them. Does he have to? I don't know. But I'm not saying that that's. And we weren't going to do it at all because we didn't have the time and we didn't think it was necessary. But this employer had it done. So the responsibility was on them to pay for it. And that's how that worked out. Yes. Right. I mean, yeah, I would say those things aren't going to happen every day and that we wouldn't necessarily have to tell them if it's in the right way. As long as that conversation was had with you guys, he didn't just go and do it. That's not the issue, right? He talked to you. He talked to me and he talked to me through the tree work. Yeah. Well, and this was this event that just happened was basically getting branches on trees. And probably that's also a good thing to do. It was a snow storm. So the branches are going to come down. In all fairness, I had no idea he was going to do it that day. I didn't know he was going to do it, Fred. Whenever it was, right? I had no idea. Right. I don't think. Right. Well, I think we're good. Can I ask a real quick question? I don't want to drag this out any longer. Yes. It happens that I talked to somebody from the state and I won one more about me and farm road also. Unleavened to this issue, but he mentioned to me that he'd seen two different maps that indicated that the class three class four section is two different places. The town knows exactly where the class three road and the class four road starts. All right. Official Highway map. OK. The E-91 one said they would. You've seen three different maps that indicated one said it would just pass 65. And I don't remember the other address. I wrote it down at home and I don't have it with me. There's a DAOT has some official map that we do for now and every year. Jesus Christ. That's what we're talking about. So we need to know where that is and what it is. All right. Like, OK, we're running. OK, can I just quickly talk about the. Are we done with this? Yes, go ahead. Can I talk about the barrier field term? Yeah. Yeah, I've been in contact with. I know except we have to change the date because she didn't want to be out of town. OK, OK, OK. And so the only question I had was in to avoid over time if possible, does does Shane have the ability to well, Shane, do the ability to do something like early on Thursday because you stayed late on Wednesday? Does that work for your crew? Like, would they would they be able to get their work done when you're not there?  Yeah, I can keep you busy. OK, because that would be preferable to paint over time for this thing if that works for you and you're with that. That'd be fun. OK, so the date is going to be. August 4 yet with a rain date of the next Wednesday. OK, and we'll do it. I think did she say so the concert starts at six? Is that correct? He'll be there. I think it's six thirty or six thirty. Yeah, he'll be there when he gets down at four thirty. OK, and he'll be there with six thirty. OK, perfect. So we'll figure out whether it starts at four thirty or five. Probably it starts at five, but the concert starts at six thirty. And then OK, she said five. OK, and and then Susan will be responsible for advertising and things. And I think the one thing we wanted to just double check was would children be able to sit on the greater, not riding it, but sit on it? That's like four in the town. You guys have checked into that. Our insurance will cover that. Yeah, as long as you're not just letting them run willy nilly as long as it's supervised. My son's already asked to pick me on it and they're 18 or 20. So can they? Yeah, they're not children. I want to stay on it. OK, now are you at Liz? You can go down there any time and sit on it. Well, I'm definitely going to do that. But I saw it today. Are you going to go in the garage too? Yes, we're going to do a garage tour as well. So it's something just to show the trucks and the years of the trucks and stuff like that. So all right, thank you so much. OK, so we're running. Well, I'm going to be there too. You be quick. Oh, yeah. OK, so OK. How the energy bear is considering slash planning to hold an energy bear. Perspective tentative date is September 18th and in conjunction with this, I was asked if I'd be interested in resurrecting the old cornrows in some fashion, won't be as fancy as used to be, but that's OK. Yeah, I should think about that before the pandemic get and put the tie wash on that anyway. So, but I thought I should at least talk to us like Ford and say, hey, any concerns about this? So where exactly is it going to be? I think it's probably intended to be on the bandstand area of a red field. And OK, it may be part of the red field, depending on what kind of things we wind up doing. OK, but we'll interfere with the ball field or any. No, they'll be like electric chainsaws of the electric lawnmowers. Yeah, they're not going to be driving. They're not going to be driving vehicles around our. No, no. Well, lawnmowers, they're not electric lawnmowers. Yeah, they won't. They'll stay away from them. Well, for me, they stay away from the ball fields, if you tell them. I guess they may be a part of the red field. I don't know, I just want to be sure. I just want to be sure, a, they don't damage the bandstand. If they're going to use the bandstand, they shouldn't coordinate. They should coordinate with the bandstand. I've already said I would be there. All right. OK. Yep. I have no problem with that. Everybody else OK with that? Yeah. OK. Good. And that's what that's working on. OK.  The latest. You split the shark from a chain saw. Yes, I am. Demonstration. Yes, I am. No one's asked me, but I haven't. I saw that's a library and I plan. So I told my husband that I'm going to put your chaps on it. My chaps on it in my safety head, and I'm going to demonstrate. Well, that was something I had thought about. I think that I know that there are there was an interest in demoing electric chainsaws, for example. But I was I I wondered if I should probably what we wouldn't do was let people try out a chain saw. Worried about that. Well, I don't know. I would not do that. All right. What are you going to demo now, but be careful for what I need to do if people want to use a string trimmer or a push mower or yeah, I probably have a chain saw. I would I'd be surprised if I could consult with that. But they wanted to come to my house. If I was going to check on that's all I had to ask about that. Yeah, just make sure it's OK. I'll tell you if electric chainsaws anything like electric cars are going to have a lot of torque. They work. I've got a lot of torque. What kind of. Oh, yeah, that's a lot of I love it, too. Well, that's a lot of work, too. OK, guys, OK, OK, thank you very much. I'm just trying to keep a son. I'm just trying to keep a son. We're saying not related to that that I want to trimmer. OK, go faster, OK, really? Just what you guys know, I have a couple of private roads that are in the works that will be needing to be named by the roads. Right now, they're just private driveways. There's a private drive off French road that already has three addresses on it. And I've got two more that I've been requested to sign. So who's our Sarah? Who's already none? One more person that was a day. That's me. Oh, would you? Yeah. Oh, OK, OK. And then there's another one at the bottom of the Schupel road that currently has two addresses on it. And somebody bought a third lock. He's planning to build next year, but he asked me about getting rolling. I'm getting a nine on one address sign. Same thing, three addresses typically triggers the assignment of a private road. I haven't done this yet. You guys have done this. We have. Yeah. Redwood Lane. I was thinking about the names like we weren't allowed to or we had to get the with the software had to approve the name. Then we got a recommendation from the landowners. My understanding is that I first get a recommendation from landowners. It brings it to you as a motion. And I was a writer nation. I do both at once quickly again. That's fun. And I would also like to ask you guys real quick. I believe there are still still two or three PRs in PR two, PR five, maybe one other one. Guy, I talked to the state nine on one board says that middle sex is one of two towns that still have a number of five roads. The state nine on one board does not like them and like us to get rid of them. So I'm just going to read the history of that. More I think she was even more than one coordinator. Kick that over to the landowners. The landowners on those roads would not agree or cooperate on a name. So they stay. So the board is going to have to sign. Then we can sign a name until they can ask that. I can ask them to cooperate and say, well, right, you don't want to give me a suggestion. I will.  I will submit some other suggestions you can participate or not. Sarah, wasn't it also we couldn't make them change the road? I believe we could not make them. Now I think that's the issue. Yeah, I believe we couldn't make them change the name. And that's why it didn't change. The bottom line, OK, well, I would say leave it along. So they say you have to change. But we have to say you have to do it. And I'll report back to you that I'm not ready for trouble. That's all I was saying. I mean, I don't want to get forward with it. No, I don't need it. But, you know, if the state would suggest that they change, but they did stay, they could say we have to do it. OK. Not that he would like us to do it. We have to do it. Well, obviously we'll do it. That's fine. Now we'll leave it at that. We would prefer that. OK. OK, very good. OK, thank you. That's all I got. OK, thank you. So now, 25 minutes late, we're going to conduct our informational meeting on how Middlesex should spend potential coronavirus state and local fiscal recovery funds, actually unlikely. And we have a guest here, I presume, who is interested in that. Yes, and I also have an interest in the Highway Department and federal requests. Oh, OK. That's fine. Rowling Hilbert for those who don't know. OK, thank you. Welcome. Welcome. We like seeing people in person. This is not happening for the past year. So I'm happy to be here in person here. I would like to explain that I'm fully vaccinated. But I've had a community plan, and so we're going to suppress. And they don't know if it works. So I'm wearing this. That's the first time I've made a choice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm glad to see you guys meet again. Do you need us to step back or put on masks ourselves? No, no, I'm not. I think it's an element of caution. So did you have a question for the Highway people? Are we just interested in hearing the request and I'll be quick because it's a little bit proud of your public parents. So I think we're safe. So Shane and I have been trying to get together. We haven't been here until I missed him today. And I came down here and saw the meeting. Let me see how this works. OK, no, that's OK. So we have a we have a snapping journal who has laid some eggs right on the edge of the road. Where is this Daniel's firm road? And the kids heard us talking about it.  Is that what that post is? Yes, for the flag on. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's a simple request. Just wondering if it's great. I don't even know if it's great or great or so. We're going to have some more. I certainly avoid. Yeah, we're going to avoid it. Yes, absolutely. We're actually going to talk about sending someone out with your great camera. And that might be a little easier. They might be able to get around it better than the great. And it's just one side, right? And it's the other side. So if you could just. Yeah, no problem. Hate to show that to the kids. How long will the eggs be? You know, well, you know, we thought it was a simple thing. And then it turns out that the gestation period is a function of whether or not. Yeah, really, six months. Oh, wow. And it was it was. There is one. She just came up from the pond. She was taking around. Wow. So. Thank you. I appreciate your time. OK, well, you know where it is. I know where it is. I saw the flag. OK, so just let the guy zone. It's ready for us. And what's his name? Drive away. Right. Right on. So you'll let the guys. What's that? You'll let the guys. Oh, yeah. OK, thanks very, very much. Thank you. OK, I'm doing summer. Thank you for coming. Thank you for coming. So now we're back to our public information meeting. Do we do we know how much money we're getting? It has to change. What we were at, like, five hundred weeks. Yes, something like that. I haven't heard anything smart as any changes. Let me just give you a quick overview. Nothing has really changed in any discussion with that. The only thing that's different, remember, we were in what was called the interim final rule. And that was a period where they were taking comments. That period has passed last week. So we're now at the point where they are. They are going to finalize that. The big question is, will anything change? And people I've talked to have said, they think it's highly unlikely. They think the way it was written is most likely the way it's going to stay. And I had discussions with Rob about this. And we were talking about something. So who's round? Our turn. Oh, Rob, how? So the the allowable uses are still the same. And I'm just going to take these off. And we can talk a little bit about it. But the first one is support for public health expenditures. So funding, ongoing COVID-19 mitigation efforts, medical expenses, behavioral health care, and certain public health and safety staff. We don't have, well, we do have a health officer. But that's a volunteer position, Sarah. No, it's any kind of assessment. But we budget for it. Would you say they are going to finalize who is they? Well, I guess the Treasury. Is this all of the Treasury? The State Treasurer? No, US Treasurer. Like, sorry, go on. So the question there, and again, back up from it, anything that is a budget open, we cannot support you. So we pay a health officer. So we can't take money from this and put the money back in our general fund and pay a health officer or pay for any other thing. So this is all nuts, plan, kind of stuff. And I don't know if anyone can think of any other medical expenses, behavioral health care, anything that would fall under this. I couldn't, but, you know, let's work out through them. Address the negative economic impacts caused by the public health emergency, including harms to workers, our workers, households in general, small businesses, industry, and public sector. Again, as far as public sector are, I can't think of anything that we were negatively impacted by financial impact. As far as other, again, we don't have a lot of industry or even private businesses in town. But it seems to me that anyone who needed financial support was able to apply for the PP money and get those other funds and money. I mean, it's kind of like closing due to COVID economic issues. But I mean, that's one that we could consider. Replacing lost public sector. Well, we didn't have. We didn't have red hand clothes because of COVID. They were still open. They just didn't have what were inside business. Oh, yeah, yeah. They did the, yeah.  That's the answer to your question. Did we lose as a town any specific revenue? Actually, I think we made out as a town. I mean, we got extra highway money. We got, you know, so no, we didn't. Premium pay for essential workers. Again, this is for us. If we had, because if we had a professional ambient squad or something like that, who would be high risk workers. Like they were transporting the employee. But, you know, we have a volunteer, we have a fast one. We don't have a minimum service. We have so few employees in the town anyway. And most part, I don't think we were affected by that. Back to the other one with it. Do you remember Dorenda? Did anyone else watch that webinar training? I don't know. I put it out there. I was the only one that attended it that day. Did you remember the piece where they talked about the last five years of loss? And how we put, that was an interesting piece. And I can't state it because I don't remember exactly what it was. But it was around, like. Was there just something averaging? It was an average over the five years or something. And then you could. So you could include this year. Sure, maybe there were some things. And then you could take some weird formula of that and get a lump sum and do whatever you wanted with that money. So that would become, it was like loss money. And then that loss money could be turning anything. We could give it away. We could buy, you know, whatever. I love the greater. Right, I mean, there's, we could do whatever we want with it. If you could make that formula to this, if you could make the formula work and make it seem like it's worth trying out that formula. So there was that piece that I found the most interesting of that. And I can't remember how it was, but it might be something that we look into because it wasn't just about, like, oh, we're taking losses. I had to do it like, you're getting for people's taxes and was it within a certain percentage of your friends? Yeah. Something like that, that made it be like, oh, that could be a way that you could turn that money into. Would you get additional money or just? No, it's all a part of that. I'll use some of this out of this allocation. I could use money. And I think that amount gets determined by this lost revolution. Yes, yeah. But I don't, and maybe we're thrown back trying to find and understand what happened. And they were willing to help us. Like that woman who was on, they were more than willing to help with us from the lead to, you know, see if that is viable or make sense. I mean, we may be a town that doesn't even have that falls that category of having these losses, but. Okay. I'll see if I can find the slides from VLCT. So I do remember that as I bookmarked it. Yeah, that was one. And then the other one that we've been talking about from the beginning, which is the infrastructure investments in water, municipal water systems, sewer systems and rocket. And that's it. That's the whole, that's the whole. And Peter, you and I had a conversation long come about when this was first coming down and again, the idea that we are with a half a million dollars unlikely that we are going to build. No, I mean, unless there was some huge other federal program and we're not, we're not putting in sewer systems or water systems or anything else. Millions and millions and millions of dollars and we don't have the resources, bonding capacity, anything that could see that. We have that big study about 10 years ago and it said it was not ready. Even if the whole town was on it, they, that it was affordable. I think so. I mean, I wasn't on the board that I could have done that. The water? Yeah. Well, again, this is just my memory, but I'd say it was very affordable. It was? What happened was, and it helped me out if anybody else remembers, that I think it was if we created a water district for the mill, in other words, for the area that it was going to be served, the individual homeowners. And I can't remember what the business was. It was like five or $600 a year. So that's how I'm right here. Do you remember? That's my memory. I was something like that.  I don't think it's coming, but I'm just saying it was a big human pry that they thought that the village thought that the taxpayers of the town over all should pay for this. And then nobody liked the idea that the whole town is paying for the water for $25,000. I remember that part of it. Right. So just, was that small? It was very small. Is there anything? It could potentially cover more territory, but the bottom line was the concept was that the people are going to use the system should pay for it, but they didn't want it. But that was also before the inflation of everything. I mean, 10 years ago wouldn't begin to pay for even an asset. We have years though, more than we got to spend this money. So this is not like it has to be spent by December 2023. It's like 25. Yeah, 25, I think, or seven, something like that. And my thing that I also took away from that training was that there's going to be a lot of broadband money coming down the pipe and make sure that you understand what that money is. If you're wanting to use it for broadband, keep in mind that there may already be broadband money and that you will be, in fact, sort of wasting this money because there's already money coming for broadband. But I don't know the answer to that. I don't know what that means. I tell you, and probably you know better, so we've been on the board, but even with the brand that Washington, like, is trying to get from the Department of Agriculture, it's a fraction of what we need. They're flying for 20 million and they need far more than that. It's just, it's very expensive to do broadband and it's not even the last mile. It's everything up to your house. And that's going to be done by you guys. Yeah, well, even, well, and again, it's going to get parceled out, if you will, as far as middle-mile, which is probably more of what Washington Electric's looking at building and then CD fighters for the last mile, starting at Worcestershire, the big providers. The Vermont latest cities and towns is really, really, really pushing for that. Don't invest in broadband. That there'll be enough money. And I don't know why. And the person who they fired. His auntie brought it. I don't know. She's not real helpful. Um, the, you know, I asked her to attend the meeting, even just by Zoom. Really? She seems like, I'll come to a meeting. I will do this and that. I know it, but, you know, I had a question about the paperwork that we signed off at the last meeting and I sent an email to her asking her for some advice on something. She sent me back the, how the statute ran. You know how, and it was like, well, I already have that information. I was asking for your advice, but she was, she didn't want to. Yeah. Whether she just doesn't have a knowledge base around their advice and what she was trying to promote to me was just invest the money because you can keep the interest. Okay. And you can use it however you want. The interest. So, you know what? So the idea that we're going to invest the money, wait until 2025 and then just let it go back and just keep the interest seems like that advice. That's what, yeah. So, do we have an idea of doing this broadband thing all comes together the way we go, but well, how much money, do they need every penny of the money to make it work or is there some amount that less than all the money that don't make it work? You know? I know. I suspect it's pretty close to the total amount, although it's going to come in chunks. Right. And we were supposed to see the first chunk in June and we still have not seen it. Okay. And we're set up and ready to go. We're into all the paperwork. We're ready to try that. There's still then the county chunk, which will come after that. And then the second set of payments will come a year later. Well, yeah. After once the government approves it, it hasn't passed yet. Well, how much do you get the first half of it for them? No, there's two. Well, there's two tranches of money. There's the local money, which is the smaller portion. And then there's our share of the big part of the county. Yeah. Yeah. So right now we've been only approved for $189,000. And we're supposed, we should have received half of that in June, but it has not arrived. So around 90 grand. And then we get right. And then that a year, we get the other 90 grand. And then at some point we get the bigger one. And I know there have been issues in Washington about this because Vermont and some other states don't have county government that nobody really thought about this. So what do you do? Well, there's no county government that's gonna sit there and dole out for a month. You might have a little bit of care about that. Right. Yes. The quality. Yeah. And that's even, that's a strange situation in and of itself. So I know there's been some. Because they have that county tax, that we all pay. So that piece is still, we're trying to figure out how that's, how that's going to actually happen. And I think, I think Scott's office has talked with our federal folks saying, the easiest way for us to do this in Vermont is the money comes to the state. The formulas are there. We know how the money gets distributed by county and then to each town. We, you know, we just have to do it. But then they're still messing around with it and watching. We have to do a reporting and the first reporting is due in October. That'll be an easy one. That's an easy one. Yeah. Right. You have no money to receive. Right. Right, right. So that's, you know, that's where we're at. So where is, where is CB5 or at this point in time? Are they waiting for us to get the MOU back? They get a draft. I'm going to rock that. I've had two conversations with Rob. First one was just an education kind of thing to try and give him some context for what was going on. And he wanted to dig into some of the issues, you know, that we had talked about in terms of protections. And he says, some of this is so new. There's no case law on it and there's not even good statute on it. So his sense was that he really kind of needs to go back to just concepts under general law, right? Contract law and property rights and those kinds of things and go from there. So as far as I know from CB5 or the plan of the war town, Middlesex, Worcester, Calis, that as the first room has not changed. I know that Worcester is in a situation like we are where they are considering doing something although they're, well, they have less money but they also have far less households because a big chunk of their broadband is provided. What about our people that are provided for Comcast? This is not covered then. This doesn't cover them. This is money for them because they have adequate. Because they already have adequate. So this is related to households in Middlesex that have less than 25 people by service. Exactly. So how many in our town in the Comcast? I thought it was just... Just brought it up to the top of each hill. But that's as far as that's in. And that just happened. What's that? Yeah, a shady railroad passing. All to the school, yeah. Doesn't French road in that area happen or no? Oh, what about Verizon that says that, like they say that we have it in paper but we don't actually get it?  Well, yeah, there's no because... Or not Verizon, what's it called? Comcast, whatever it is. It's holiday. It's holiday. Yeah, that's, well, and then, you know, there was a lot of preliminary work done in terms of feasibility study actually surveying households to find out what are you supposed to be getting, what are you actually getting? And so you're right. They're saying that, yeah, you are getting. You're getting ESL, that's what we're talking about. But everybody knows no, it never gets to that. No, I just have a question for the minutes. You said the plan for more town middle sex with certain counts has not changed. You have to remember that there has not been a public meeting that is to support the reader, the voters or anybody about what those plans are. Yeah. So can you just, was free to outline anything? Sure, I mean, it's just, it's basically what we're considering CV fibers approach all for, at least that's my understanding, all four of the select boards in those communities with similar proposals, you know, based upon the feasibility studies of this plan that this is a very high priority group and high need and high interest. So the tape rates, it all kind of comes together for CV fiber to make this profitable, if you know that there will be enough people interested in signing up for service that it's doable. So you've got a part of, oh, I'm sorry, you've got a part of more to have way till telecom covers most of it, but the side closest to us, they do not. And I think up onto the common road and I can't remember the name of the other road that comes through. So that's actually a fairly small part of more time. We're, our piece is fairly large, because the Comcast does not cover much. So with us, it's the majority. Wooster, I don't know, they've got a fair amount of coverage by Comcast and I think Calis, probably does not have a lot of service, but my understanding with Calis is there is interest on the part of Velco to run fiber from Calis to the WECOs, that little power generating band, Wooster, I believe, right? The dam in Wooster? Yeah, doesn't that have the outlet? Where is there, oh, that little thing? Yeah, right across from where the school was. I think it's what they were saying. But for some reason, there's really interest in it. It's never come upside down. No, but anyway, there's really interest on the part of Velco investing some money to get fiber to that dam, seems to be important. So Calis is looking at kind of jumping on where the fiber should be. Well, that's what I'm saying. I can find that out. I mean, I talk to Steve a lot. Okay. So let me ask this question. The total amount that we're planning to, hoping to get us a five or something, right? So where does the rest of the money come from, from CB5 or to build the broadband? So I guess my worry is we hand them this money and the project never gets complete. Right, and that's one of those things I have thought. Looking at as far as the money will come from, there's money through legislative appropriation. The broadband. The broadband. There's money through other federal sources like the Northern Borders grant, USDA money. There probably will be some other federal money. Although it's like Mary said, it's not gonna come close. They will have to sell bonds. That's on point. They will have to go to the farm bay. And the legislature essentially passed a bill or it was another under this bill that directed Vita to provide extremely favorable terms to any of the CUDs for broadband expansion. And there's, and that understanding that it is tied to this. So there's some backing there in terms of the risk factors. So how much do you think they can get some fees? Initially? Yeah, I mean, I hadn't heard that before. I would think initially they're gonna probably have to go after something between seven and 10 million and that will build your name, your alarm project across a certain phase. Does it have to be all or nothing? Like more Tom Middlesex, Worcester-Calis, what if Worcester-Calis, they actually don't want to be a part of this? Does that affect the overall, like do they have to have all four on board to make this? Ideally, ideally, yeah. Just on the road, otherwise you, well, they want the money, although probably both of those towns are not gonna give them. I know.  Yeah, I know that. Although, and again, one of the issues that small towns like our space is, what the seven million dollar. Because otherwise we return the money. Otherwise we return the money. Right, or you don't, yeah. Why would, because you're going back to your previous thing, why in the world would the League of Cities and Town recommend that we invest the money and keep the interest and give the money back? I mean, that just, Well, I'm not saying they're saying give the money back, but they're saying just, Hold on to it. Hold on to it. Something might come up down. Right, and broadband might be paid for all, they kept saying that, like don't throw all your money into broadband, because there's all this money coming in, millions of dollars for broadband that may, like, see lots of things. I don't think they've quantified it because millions coming in, but more millions are needed. I mean, this is kind of like electrification. This is like providing a brand new service. And so the thought that, you know, just because there are holes there that solve the problem. It's just naive. There's a lot more to the problem. So the middle sex portion, hold on, I just think we're in this. What's that? That's exactly right. Roughly. So our... But it can't be done alone. We think they're not going to do that alone. Probably not. Because then you have the issue of transmission. So you have to think about where can we build that we can actually get access to the main pipeline for connecting to the internet and how we're going to manage this. And again, I think one of the reasons this is of interest is because I think Watesville Telecom has been approached about community operators, which, you know, they're independent. They're not one of the telecoms that carries a lot of baggage, like some of the others. And, you know, the incumbents haven't been left out of this. Who? Who do you mean? I consolidated. Oh, you mean the private utilities. Yeah. Who manages the repairs of it? So like WEC, for example. The maintenance. The maintenance, right? Because WEC, our power goes out all the time because it's power, things in the middle of the woods and trees falling on them. And so I'm picturing the same thing happening to these fiber cables. I know WEC has talked about bringing, like on Culver Hill Road, where the problem is, like we in my little area tend to be like, when there's only five people out in middle sex, it's my name, too. And, and... We're already growing our needs, too. Right. But I mean, I've been out twice in the last two weeks. Right.  Okay. First of all, we said fiber off the cable is much stronger than telephone cable or power transmission lines and can withstand a fair amount of... Is there a tree on that? Yeah. Not necessarily a big tree, but smaller trees will, it'll just pull it up. That will be the responsibility of the operator. So whoever, take a couple of the other weights, I'll tell you. So they've got the infrastructure in place to six lines and the ability to do the installations to homes. They have the ability to run that whole system as an operation center and get people connected to the internet and all that rowdy traffic. So typically, you know, in a project like this, because this is a public project, you're not gonna build that kind of infrastructure in the cost, it's just... And it doesn't make sense. There are other providers out there who can do that. We would best be very, very happy to have agreements with communication union districts for a fee to be able to run a system. They also do the bill. It's, you know, the CDPs are even neater to account for those staff. At least in this one, there's no intention to have staff. Every now and then a project manager, something like that. Remind me what CUD stands for. What's that? Remind me what CUD stands for. Communication union districts. So when do we as a board have to make decisions? I think fairly soon. And I can nail that down. But we're not gonna do it until we get back from Rob. Right. And we'll deal with changes and then we have to submit them to them. That's correct. But I'm just saying, you know, we really gotta iron out if there is another potential use. This thing you were talking about was. And yeah, we need to do that. And then I'm just reluctant. I mean, I'm sure Rob can iron out the DM on you. So I'm not too worried about that. So we can be comfortable with that. Assuming that CB5 will then accept whatever is changed. But, you know, that thing we signed, I believe Dorinda says that we turn over the money when we get it, right? Within so many days. Yeah. Not what we signed for the government money. No, no, no. What that MOU has in it. Right. It said that we were supposed to turn it over, I think within 30 days. What happens if we don't? Are they gonna give up on us and say, well, sorry, mental sex, you're not part of this?  Because we're pushing back and saying, wait a minute, we don't know yet. We wanna understand where all these other funding sources are coming in. Right. And so I think that I would be reluctant personally to not feel like I have a good sense of where this is going next and handing them all this money. I think the other side of it is, we don't know what the other towns are doing. And we know they can't do it with just our funds. So I think before, and I would think the other towns would feel the same way before they commit. They wanna know who's in and who's not. And it could be, everybody's doing the same thing. So they're doing the same thing. Yeah, they are, they do it, yeah. I'll ask my friend, title's the chair of the Worcester Select Board. Oh, good. And ask him what is his lesson? Lamb. Yeah. Ask him. I did ask him and he said they hadn't really talked about it yet. Because they're, again, they're a small town. And he hasn't been on the board that long. But I think he's more recently, Chair. He's more recently than Chair, yeah. I just think, and this is exactly what I said before, it's potentially, it's an unbelievable opportunity to get to the town in other states. But number one, if there are other things we can use it for, I wanna understand what they are. I don't wanna just dismiss that out of me. Right. And as much as we don't have a lot of business in town, we have a lot of small businesses in town. And I'm concerned that some of them just couldn't get it as easy as it was. Some of them couldn't get it together to get the people to be money. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how we figure that out. Do we have any kind of way to calculate the number of small businesses in our town? I mean, I know they have put some figures in the town's plan, but I think the planning commission has an aspect of it. There's a lot of little LLCs and DVAs, right, people right out of their homes. You're never gonna count all those. Right. And to be here, there were a lot of opportunities for small businesses of all income levels and all sizes that there were opportunities for them to have access to money to get back. So I'd be less concerned about the small business and thinking like, I mean, like I said to Peter, I'm like, well, could we use 10,000? I would put in the Middlesex Community Fund, which was started as sort of a pandemic fund to help families. So we were giving money out to families. You know, if there's an opportunity to sort of fund it with this little amount of money, 10,000 is nothing, but it's a lot for the fund, right? And as long as it wasn't like requiring these reporting ways to say where everything went, or is it just this fund was started because of the pandemic and that's enough. I know. But that's for, you know, taking a small amount of money. I just wanna be sure we have a plan to get the answers to these questions because I just have the feeling, and maybe I'm wrong, but I have the feeling that this is the old snowball rolling down the hill and one of those days that snowball is gonna come right through the wall here and be right in the middle of this room and we're gonna have to make a decision within a fairly short period of time. Decision about removing the snowball. Well, too remote to stop it. But I'm just saying, all of a sudden, all of a sudden the money's gonna come in. CB5 are just gonna want the money. And we're gonna have to say, well, we'll give you 80% of the money or 90% of the money or all the money or I don't know what we're doing. Well, and again, with the timeframe, the way it's laid out right now, the only piece we have coming is to say that. 80, 90. 90,000. You're making your Sarah have a heart attack. She's gonna take your myth. You know what I'm saying? I took 10,000. So it's gonna be piecemeal anyway over at least a year. Yeah, but once we start paying the money out, once we get to do it, it's gonna be pretty hard to pull it back. I don't know. Maybe Rob and I can have had some discussions about performance. Oh, no, no, no. That's a different, that's a whole different issue. I mean, I'm very concerned that somehow all this money just goes out in the... But they need this. So they also, they're leveraging our money to get other money. Yeah, right. Especially from the money. Yes, that's a big piece. Really, what are you gonna say? I just, I've heard of other monies that are geared towards public buildings and making infrastructure improvements within the buildings and stuff. I don't know if this money allows any, for any of that, for town buildings and whatnot. I was just thinking about that as you guys were talking about all this. Would have been nice. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, you're talking about this CD flavor. Yeah. So what happens? You know, companies like Consolidated or those companies you've talked about a minute ago. They don't have competitors, right? They're potential competitors. Obviously, yeah. But they're not coming. So Consolidated is not worth or Comcast. It's not worth their time or money to come to the last mile, to the people that are not being served by them. And they presumably never will. They just don't care enough and it's just not worth it. Well, it's not financial. It's not financial. So this is why they reach those people.  Sure, that might happen because they might be like, oh, you know, I see a competitor, but right now that's not their intention. Like Comcast, for us to get Comcast, they put it something like $10,000 a family for Culver Hill Road, just right off of Route 2 in Route 12, less than a mile, and there's cable on Route 12. And they're like, yeah, we'll do it for $40,000 to your house. You know, it's like, no, that's not. So there it is. And I guess it's Consolidated, I don't even know. But there's a fiber line that goes right up over Molley Street to the school. Yeah, it comes up Macaulay Road. Right, it's Macaulay Hill. It goes up Macaulay Hill. From down here. It's ironically, last week, I stopped my land line. And so I talked to this woman in the answer, and she was really, really nice. I said, you're the nicest person who ever talked to me. Well, it's all there, seriously. I mean, she's very, very good. So then they had a little sermon afterwards. And so they said, and her name was April. And I said, April did a tremendous job. I mean, it's great, crazy, right? So then the next question, what do you think about the internet on Consolidated Communications? It's terrible. And I just went down through. Well, about eight o'clock that night, I get a call from this woman, April, supervisor, saying, what do you mean? And I said, there's nothing wrong with April. But I said, you guys stink. I said, your own guys, your own technicians are talking that you have this fiber optic. All you need is like an amplifier or whatever you call it, down by 80 curls. And you could service all the work road, all the color road, all the great work road. I mean, they keep telling you that, but you don't want to do it. Well, I called the mixer and said, okay, I want to connect to your farm. Yeah, the number they gave us for our neighborhood was 25,000. Right, I mean, that's ridiculousness. That's because of the fiber. See, Comcast is going to serve eight. Yeah, Comcast is going to serve. Which is a dead technology. Right, we're going to serve it, what? Cable. Which is, yeah. But he said that we're going to, that's going to come within a year to two years. Oh, okay. But also I didn't, you know, which doesn't have anything to do with this. But two people this week have tried to get on and consolidated. And they said they're not taking any moving in that customer. What? Mm-hmm. So, while they have here is DSR. And they channel out, there's no capacity. You mean there's so bad. They keep splitting lines. They keep splitting them and splitting them and splitting them. So how would you get internet if you moved to a new house in Middlesex? You wouldn't. You wouldn't, you may not. That's what they were so bad. That's what they were dying about. Because these people were, they've been served for years and years and years. And they decided they were living, you know, the person that had the account was leaving. So these new people that had lived right there were on my understanding. They said can we slow this account over to RNA? No.  If they swap it over. And they said, no, if you swap it over, you're not gonna have internet service. So these people that just bought houses in Middlesex from somebody who sold it won't have consolidated? No. They won't have anything.  I know that somebody who just bought a place on McCullough Hill Road, they paid like, I know it was over $10,000. And they had to sign either a three to five year contract in the order to get it. So in other words, do not cancel consolidated because you'll never get it back. Yeah. That's what they, that's what I'm saying. Hey Mills. Yeah. When you're consolidated by like a lot of people that have paid over, I lost my PSL connection, which actually was a fairly big connection overnight. All of a sudden I had no idea. I called them up and said, how would you do? Where's, you know, they went, you have no record of, I said, well, since I moved in here, you know, for 15 or 20 years I've had internet and, you know, we can't find your account. Well, just put it back. Nope. Did you, so what did you pay for it? I went to the manager, the public service board, the public service department. I liked the legislature and I liked to get the general's on. Probably three months. And you didn't have internet? No, I didn't have internet. I had a bit of red hands. What was this? It was a few years ago. And was it, how'd you get it back? Well, the attorney general, finally, you know, got to get a public service board as well. It's not regulated. We don't really have the authority to ask that or novel about it. There you go. Sorry, there's an opportunity. And the attorney was finally a young attorney. I don't know if that's the only way to get on the list. You know, is she? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I didn't know.  That's what I was going to say. Based on the false advertising, it's so nice of you. Don't go too far with this. And the agent, I know that. Thank you. And I knew a lot of these people because they've all worked for Verizon and all the companies. And the guy's head of internet deployment for consolidating it down was funny, came down and he knew me from that. And he actually came to me. Tell. Did you put on enough pressure? I'm sad to get us to do this. Jesus. Way goes. But yeah, I had to buy a business connection. About three times more expensive. But the great thing about a business connection, they have to respond in 24 hours. They show. So what was your business? I love private consulting. Aren't we all? Yeah. I put open a business account. Yeah. I got three times. It's very probably three times expensive as the ESO will be faster. No, you can write it off. You can write it. I get five by five. I have. Which is terrible. Pay every night. No, not it. Not a. I'm not. I'm down. I'm right. Don't cancel. 100. But it's from that year. And so. I have this. I know. You know, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Yes. Yes. Keep working. Yeah. So, so the bottom line is. There's nothing we need to do right now. We're going to get more information. Coming. And we're going to look into these other uses. I will try. And I will try to find out where the other three select parts. All right. No. I think that's about as much. And I just think we have to be listening for that. So the local effects. Yeah. I still want to know what they're going to do with that. Yeah. Get out of our shovels. I mean, the analogy. Does it. Well, I'm sorry. My intent was just to say. My fear is that we're going to have to make a quick decision. I don't like to make decisions. I don't definitely don't like to make decisions where I feel like we don't have all the information. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's constantly changing. And now we're going to have a broadband board with. Yeah. Christine and. And Patty's going to be. Our general manager. What. Oh. Even though she's going to be on it. Okay. Okay. I'm going to say this concludes our. Public information. Please. Thank you. And not so subtle way that nobody showed up. The person who showed up on it to talk about. Okay. So. Proving minutes of July 6, 2021, regular select for being. And the July 13th, 2021. Special select for meeting action likely. Move approval. Second. Both. Okay. All in favor. Hi. Hi. Any opposed. Any abstentions. Okay. Uh, correspondence. WC. U. U. S. D. Letter.  Vacancy on the WC. U. S. D. Board. She got, she's now our principal. She can't be on the board. We have to appoint someone. No, we have to recommend. No, we don't recommend. It's just an. Unlike. Sit out. Okay. So we have to. Know about it. Do nothing. It was just to let you know, I think. Is there someone who. Actually, they have two names already. Yeah. The board wish to express their thoughts regarding these candidates. Well, Actually, they have two names already. Yeah. The board wish to express their thoughts regarding these candidates. Okay. All you have to do is just say you want to. The board has any thoughts on this. No. Okay. Okay. And asking what the board is going to do about falling up on the proper powers trash issue. Okay. So we said, this is, this is the place on roof 12, which is just. Okay. We sent him a letter saying. Clean it up. Clean it up or else. Well, now it's time for the or else, but nothing's happening. Well, they did move. They did move some of the stuff around. Okay. So could you hire bulldoctry move the seven and Dylan. No. Fine. Fine. Was this letter sent by. No. We've sent it to before it has been done. Okay. So maybe we should have. I think we should start the fine process. But I think we should. Make sure that the landowner knows this fine. Is that. So do you want to actually start. I think you have to. Don't you have to. You would start the fine. What does it say in the letter? What does it say in the ordinance? I've had the lawyer write the letter saying bye, give them 15 days and then say effective. Okay. Well, what if the guy thinks he's done how the job. You have to go back and say it's terrible. Because. He did. I went by there a couple of times and they did. Well, I moved the stuff that was literally in the nose. They fired up that back. They didn't move any other time. They're taking the space in the driveway. They did. So they have to get it right off their property. Oh, we have it. We have a jump ordinance. They can't have that place. So. We've got to read our ordinance. We've decided the ordinance in the letter. It said upon receiving written notice from the select board. It said upon receiving written notice from the select board, the owner of a jump that's covered in violation of article two shall remove from view, blah, et cetera, et cetera, failure to do so within 30 days will merit a violation ticket. And moreover, under 24 BSA, a civil penalty and not more than $50 per violation. I don't know what that means. Maybe impose to violate this ordinance each day that the violation continues. I'll constitute a separate violation of the court. I can't believe that it's the land trust that I'm talking about. It's not, it's not the land trust. No, no, no. I mean, I didn't reason that they, that they allow that to be like that. That's exactly the point. You have to lean on them because they'll get on the plane. Or they'll move them out of there. They'll hold them close. They, they, they, they leaned on him the last time we did this. So that's what we have to do. It's now jumps. It's now what? They don't have a, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It sounds like there's a, there's a gap. What do you, they don't have a what? The next executive director. Down street. Down street housing. It used to be community land trust. So do you want me to ask Bronx for the letter? Yes. Yes. And tell them that, you know, with a short fuse. Yeah. Send him a, send him a copy of the letter we sent and said, take the next step, whatever it is. And then also make sure that he sends it to whatever the community land trust. Successful. Organization is. Each piece of trash. A violation. Each day. Well, nobody says each violation. So. Yeah. Probably. Pay it. Very lucky. We get it for every day since May. I just wanted to clean up the damn mess. I don't want to. I think they have a problem. Limbo. All right. So that's it. Are we meeting? Next. Guys. I'll sign the orders. I'm sorry. Yeah. I can't be next today. I'm out of town. I just wanted to clean up the damn mess. I don't want to find anybody.  They do. Down street. Sure. I think they have a problem. Limbo. All right. So that's it. Are we meeting next? You guys all sign the orders. I'm sorry. I can't be next today. I'm out of town. No, I didn't mean next is our next schedule. Do you want to get that much going on? Summer. Since April, we've had a meeting personally every Tuesday. I feel that way too. So what do you want to do for, do you want to just set up a provision for signing orders so that it doesn't go nuts? Yeah, I'll be around. But I would love that. You can rest up. So you guys are going to cancel the meeting, but we should have orders available on the third signature. Does that sound good? Sounds great. No. Okay. We'll not be here. So what do we need three? You need three of us to sign. Great. I'm in town. I'm in town with these orders. I did. Oh, we did. Who didn't you? Oh, I did. There's no. I thought I signed. No, Steve. Tonight. There's been two things. I said one. Okay. All right. Just trying to make sure to read this right here. Great. Okay. We're good. I also need from you, Peter, the form for Bonnie bad shelter that filled out. Remember that fraud form. All my favorite form. Yeah. Okay. Are you sending it to me? I did. Send it to you again. Come on. I'll look for it again. The other thing was something else. Are we done? I believe we are. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. We're talking about this thing. Recording stopped. No. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.