Felly byddwn i'n gweithio gwaith o'r ffordd o'r ffordd o'r gweithio'r bataffild yn y Unedig ac y mae'r ddau'i gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio, hyd yn fawr yn gweithio ar gyfer yr Eiddem Llywodraeth, ac yn gweithio'r gweithio ar gweithio'r reisio'r gweithio ar gweithio'r gweithio ac fy cyfnodau. Mae ymddir y peth yn llwyddoedd 17 o'r cyffliciau ar yr eraill yma. Wysiwn bod yn ymwneud o'r ffathlwffildol asr ac ymddangosol ar gyfer ymddangosol ar hynny, i cofnodd fel cwestiynau a'r cymdeithasol, i weld wedi'u bach i fynd i wneud ymddangosol ystod ystod o'r cymdeithasol, i wneud i'w ddweud o bwysig o'r strategi mewn ffordd ar y ffathlwffildol o'r gwyloedd ymddangosol, ac yn edrych i gair a'r ffathlwffildol sy'n cydweithio ar gyfer ymdangosol ar gyfer ymddangosol. Mae'r introduced o'r Bydd-eugwr yn daugiau yn datblygedol iawn, ond mae'n ffrogiad yn ymddiad o'r ddau arall a'r methau a'r spلاad o'r llwyddoedd a'r meidwyr. Mae ydy'n ffrwyれたf o phantiau wrth bethau awn o'r llaw o'r gweithgu ac â'r bobl hwnnw o'r bobl hwnnw yn gallu'r bydd. Felly, wrth hynny'n dechrau i ddaeth ffaqullaeth drwy'n brydol, yma, a'r cyfrifwyr cyfrifogol yma sydd o'n droi i ymddirloch yn gwybod. ydych chi'n meddwl i'r rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r cyflawn o'r adegau'u tawdd, dych chi'n meddwl i'r cyflawn i'r ardyddhaf y teimlo, a'r hystod y dych chi'n meddwl i'r cyflawn i'r cyflawn i'r grannu. Rhywbeth, gydych chi'n meddwl i top-sos膝au teimlo i ffannu i ddweud ar gael a'r ffordd iawn, a'r agro-cultr o'r proses ac yr hyn o'r ffordd a'r cyflawn i'r meddl. Mae'r llaw oedd yn Ynglyn sydd yn y dwyliad ymddiad gyflosibol. Fyddiad cyfle牙ach yn gwÓ ar bobl, ond bod yn ychydig a chyllid y dwyliadol byw. Mae wedi ei chyflodd mae'r honau yn ddefnyddio arloes ar gyfer Argyllugau Argyllug, yng Nghymru 79, sydd dim yn ddefnyddio ar y Unig. Mae'r llaw oedd yn y Cyflosibol yn 1995 ar y Cynwylltu ar gyflosibol a'r cyflosibol yn cymryd eriswyddoch allan o gyflosibol. Mae gweithio ac yn gwahanol yn gennym ar hyn. Y fawr yma ar gyfrydd yn Enghraeg yn perloedd foudol yn fawr ac mae'r gweithio erig yn gyllid yn gweithio ar gyfridd. Y cyfrigau a'r cyfrigeiddon yn amlwyddsigol chi jaer, oedd y prosmyg yng nghymru, ond mae'r cyfrigiau yn yng Nghymru ag ychydig yn cael eu dysgu yn gweithio ar gwellig, sy'n cymryd o'r cymryd ar y cyfnodol. Felly, rydw i'n ffoto'r ymddangos, mae'n unrhyw o'r ffordd o'r trempiau a'r rhan o'r cymryd a'r môr yn Yorkshire, ac mae hynny'n cymryd i'r ffordd a'r ffordd o'r plau yn y cyfnodol yma. Felly, ydych chi'n gweld y cyfrifio'r bair o'r cymryd? Mae'r rheswys wedi'u ffordd o'r cyfryd ar y cyfryd gyda y cyfnodd gyda'r boblad ynglynig ar gyfer y cyfnodd gyntaf gyda'r barol. Felly, ar fy mhwyaf ydy'r cyfnodd gyfnodd gyda'r yn ffordd i'r cyfnodd gyda'r byd. Felly, mae'n cyfnodd gyfo'r cyfraddol yn eu cyffredinol gyda'r cyfnodd, y cyfnodd gyffredinol yn unrhyw o'r cyfnodd gyda'r cyffredinol, ac y cwestiynau cyfnodd gyda'r bydd. Llywodd wedi gynyddo ar gyfer o gyfnodd gyflymol, i'r diogel, ond nifer ffocusau gyda'r tyffanol ar y bwysig a ddyn nhw'n du. Ysbryd y blau'n cael ei chymysgol i'r rhai ar gyfer treidio i gaelio ddysgu'r bwysig, i gaelio'n gweithio'n mewn cymrydau cemwysgol, yn fawr o gwerth o'r blau, i gaelio'n gwneud o'r cynhyrchu mewn cyfrydau cemwysgol, Plowing can cause artefacts to break apart, as well as encourage abrasion from soil particles, particularly in very sandy soils. Corrosion is also likely to accelerate in this context. So, corrosion takes place more readily when there is a lot of water and oxygen available in the system, and so plow soils are an ideal medium for this reaction to take place. The main problem with plow zone archaeology is that the context is in a constant state of change. Each time an artefacts environment changes, it will be placed on a new path of decay, which happens pretty much annually in a lot of agricultural soils. In order to understand what effect this has on the buried assemblages, I developed a method for assessing the condition of 17th century lead bullets as my object type case study, based on a five category system assessing the quality of their preservation. Each category combines to focus on different issues relating to the surface of the bullets, such as the quality of visible surface details or the stability of the surface, as that is where the key archaeological data is retained. Each bullet is given a score from one to four with one being very good and four being poor, and you'll see in the next slide how that relates to the results. This condition then correlated with the historic land use on the sites and the geology and natural soil conditions in order to better understand the relationship between the burial environment and the preservation of the artefacts. Here's a summarised view of the condition results from the three case studies I used in my work. They're all battlefields or siege sites of the British Civil War during the 1640s. Edge Hill was the first battle during the Civil War, where over a thousand bullets have been recorded from the site during systematic metal detecting surveys. Morton Corbett is the site of a 13th century castle in Shropshire, which was established as a small royal garrison during the Civil War. Surveys are still being conducted at this site, but around 200 bullets have been recovered so far, and Wareham in Dorset was a fortified garrison where at least two sieges were carried out during this period, where over 500 bullets have been recorded from the site. So, from the data we can see the condition results vary quite a lot between the three sites. From Edge Hill, 99% of the collection scored either very good or good in condition, which is indicated in the green and yellow, indicating that the vast majority of bullets are very well preserved on the site, only 1% scored lower than good, so in fair condition, which means the vast majority are in very good condition. For the Morton Corbett bullets, the condition results are more varied. 86% scored good or fair, though you can see that few scored either very good or bad conditions, so 8% scored one for being in very good condition and 6% scored four for being in poor condition. So, there are a few bullets at either extremities of preservation. But at Wareham, there are more preservation issues in terms of the bullets, so 70% of them scored either fair or poor in orange and red on the chart, with only 2% scoring very good, indicating that they are generally very poorly preserved. So, these sites indicate that condition can vary quite a lot in terms of preservation in topsoil deposits on these sites. If we have a quick look at some of the bullets themselves that I've analysed, most of the Edge Hill collection exhibit a solid unbroken pattern on the surface of the bullets with clear surface details and few corrosion issues, and they tend to have quite a uniform detailed surface. The Morton Corbett collection contains some bullets that are like this, but then it also contains bullets that show localised corrosion and loss of this pattern or surface on them. 37% of the collection also showed signs of abrasion and a wearing down of this protective surface, likely to be due to the burial environment, which I'll come to in a minute. And the Wareham bullets are particularly grotty and nasty looking, basically, with a lot suffering, a lot of surface instability, breaks, cracks and deep penetrating corrosion, which has led to even areas of bullets being blown out through a process of intergranular corrosion. So, the condition does vary quite considerably across these three sites. So, as I said, the condition has a lot to do with the burial environments that these collections come from. So, if we first have a brief look at the Edge Hill site, this is predominantly a pasture landscape. By the mid-18th century and in some areas of the site slightly earlier, most of the landscape was enclosed and converted to pasture. The battlefield contains the best surviving medieval ridge and furrow for any English battlefield. The soil's predominantly alkaline clays, which impede drainage and oxygen flow in the soil, reducing the rate of metal corrosion. My results revealed an average topsoil pH of around 6.9, which is around the neutral point, but soils were recorded up to around 8.2, indicating a neutral alkaline environment, which is a very ideal stable condition for lead to survive. It's much more stable than acidic conditions because it will degenerate the material. Some areas of the battlefield have been plowed in the last few decades, and there were some indications in my research that this was beginning to have an impact on the condition of the buried artefacts. Even though bullet condition was still good in these areas, it wasn't as good as in the pasture areas, and more bullets in the arable fields had signs of abrasion and damage to the bullets. So it might be an indication that there is an increasing trajectory of condition declining in the bullets, but maybe there hasn't been a long enough period of time under the plow to have the effect. But nevertheless, the site provides an example of almost perfect burial conditions for the preservation of lead at Edge Hill. So at Morton Corbett, the fields surrounding the castle where the bullets were collected from were gardens or common pasture up until the 1970s, though no region furrow survives, so they must have been plowed at some point during the post medieval period. There's a clear espacial pattern of condition on this site. Bullets in very good condition, marked in green on the map, tend to clustering areas of higher ground or upslope areas. There's also less indication of abrasion damage upslope, suggesting that plowing has caused some displacement and damage to the bullets going downhill. Those downslope in areas of higher water content are in poorer condition. The soils at Morton Corbett are mainly sandy loams, so this sand content alongside plowing will have encouraged abrasion damage to the bullet surfaces, which we didn't see in the Edge Hill collection. So that is one indication of variations in preservation. If we have a quick look at Warram as well, this is the collection that was in much poorer condition. 55% of the collection were abraded in contrast to only 9% at Edge Hill and 34% at Morton Corbett. I couldn't conduct spatial analysis on the bullets because the site's been destroyed due to building a quarry in the 2000s. But historic land use indicated that the area had been under almost constant arable cultivation since the early 19th century. The soils are very acidic, so around 4.5. It's in a loamy sand environment. So this combination of land use acidity and soil texture are evidently to blame for the poor condition of the bullets. And the high sand content coupled with the regular plowing of the fields over the last two centuries will have encouraged replacement in the soil and abrasion, which is why so many bullets exhibit abrasion damage. I'm going to briefly mention metal composition. When I started my research, it was assumed that the purer the lead in the bullets, the better preserved they would be. But it's not really that straightforward. My results were sort of inconclusive as 90% of the sample bullets had over 90% lead content, so there wasn't enough variation to make comparisons. There was a slight indication that an increase in tin content can result in poorer preserved bullets, as one contains 63% tin and the 3% lead from wear them, which was in a terrible state of condition. But obviously this isn't enough data to base a logical conclusion on tin content and corrosion rates. So more work needs to be done on this corrosion analysis. So just to quickly summarise all of that, I've developed a method for assessing bullet collections in the plough soil. I've identified several crucial factors affecting the survival, mainly soil texture pH, land use, and sometimes topography. Brief summary of the main preservation factors, but the overarching factor appears to be land use where cultivation accelerates the deterioration of lead. Ideally such sites would be taken out of the plough to preserve sites in their buried assemblages in future, as cultivation is shown to accelerate this deterioration. My study has shown that there's a lot more to studying battlefields beside just the battles which took place on them, and by examining these landscapes and their collections we can develop our understanding of the condition of buried heritage assets, which is applicable to other battlefields and plough soil sites across Europe. Thank you.


Born about six and a half weeks ago, first time mother to a litter of eleven, seven boys, four girls. Eleven's big. Normally, it averages around six or seven, so eleven, we're happy with eleven, especially that ratio of boys to girls. Definitely keep all the boys and we'll run them on in our foster program as potential police dogs in the future and we'll probably keep two out of the four girls, having them towards detector dog work like explosive detection and or if they're good enough, we may even brief them later. In about a week and a half, they leave here with the new foster carers, they go into a family environment and every sort of three or four weeks, we get the whole litter back in and do about two or three days development work with them. The dogs have to get out in the big wide world and just become confident young dogs. So we're just starting to see little characters now, but we'll look at that more closely over the next sort of week or two, just before they go out in the foster and we'll keep an eye on it after that as well. We actually made this the X, Y, Z litter and so they got names starting with X, Y, Z and we were able to think of eleven decent names starting with those three letters. Now next litter will be the A litter going back to A's.


There have been a few people so far today, but it seems like a lot of people filled in their mailed ballot. People are trickling in, but it's still early. Yeah, I think during this time it's really important to get out and voice your opinion. Voting is the best way to, I think, enact change to our community and broader U.S. environment. Why do you come out to vote? I actually mailed in my ballot, but I wouldn't come out here to vote. I'm coming out here today to hold a tiki, and I voted for Weinberger for mayor, and I'm happy with all that, and I hope you see a lot of people today. Well, specifically today, obviously there's a lot of local elections happening, but also the issue around no-cause eviction. I'm a landlord in Burlington, and I don't know that people really realize what the impact of that could have on our community in the long run, so that was an important cause for me today. I wanted to make a difference here, so. My last question is, do you have any strong feeling of any candidate? I'm really supportive of Max. I think that he has some really good ideologies, and I just really think that he's going to do a really good job. Well, it's an amazing opportunity to have input into the things that will affect my life and everyone else's life in my community. I'm very excited to re-elect Perry Freeman for city council for the Central District. I think they are doing incredible work around economic justice and racial justice, climate justice, and I want to see them get to continue doing that. Oliver, my question is, what makes you come out to vote? Particularly here in Burlington, we have a lot of opportunities for progressive change, both in all the ballot items and in the progressive candidates who are running, and so we're really lucky here that we have this opportunity to make a better future through our votes. So we've had probably about 50 people come in. It's been unusually slow, but we are, the tally inside is about 922, and that includes all the absentee ballots as well. I guess some of the reasons that I'm voting today are, I'm looking for change in the Burlington area, and I think that my vote matters, and yeah. I think that the students in the area have a lot of, you know, like, poll because there's so many of us, and one of the bills on the ballot today is about renting, and we're both renters, so I think that that's an important reason to come out and vote today. I first got involved as a University of Vermont student in local elections. I actually didn't vote in the first presidential election because it didn't attract me, it didn't interest me enough. I didn't think I made a difference, and then I became a student at University of Vermont, and Bernie Sanders was our mayor, and that's why I started voting. So I really was happy to see that we have questions on the ballot, which really impact people's lives and matter to people a lot, and that means a lot to me. Thank you so much. Yeah, sure. Thank you. Thank you, Megan O'Rourke and Olivia Alamasi with the Exit Voices from the Central District today. It certainly was a chilly one out there today. Thank you for joining us. This is live at 525 on Town Meeting Television, where we're preparing in an hour and a half the polling will be finished and we'll be starting to present you the results tonight. I'm Mark Johnson here along with Diane Meyerhoff and Diane, what a strange year, what a strange town meeting, but we certainly have some really interesting items and some interesting elections. Let's start in Burlington. Absolutely, because what are we looking at? We're looking at the mayor's race, right? I mean, that's the big story, I think, for Burlington. So obviously, a Democratic incumbent, Merle Weinberger, is trying to retain his seat. I think this is his third term, if I have that right. Going for his fourth. Going for his fourth term. Yep, yep. And major competitors, Max Tracy, President of the City Council, Progressive from Ward 2, right, and also Ali Jang, who is a counselor from the New North End. So the council is very busy trying to take away Merle Weinberger's seat. In both of their cases, the challengers, they're not up for reelection, so they will retain their seats if they are not successful in unseating Weinberger. That's right. So no worry about, for those parties, losing those seats, which is kind of an interesting, that's often an interesting dynamic in these races. But in this case, that's absolutely true. And there's actually all the candidates. So even though the ones we didn't mention, Will Emmons, Kevin McGrath, Heik Bedrosian, who I wanted to mention, in 1995 was the youngest elected City Councilor, 22 years old, served for two years. Yep. Ran for mayor at one point. That's right. Ran for mayor as well. Yep. Had a credible bid, wasn't successful, but is now back, as you say, in politics. We do have four interesting races in Burlington. We do, for City Council, yes. So we have one uncontested, the East District, Jack Hanson will return, aggressive. And then we have the New North End, which Franklin Polino, the Democrat, has vacated his seat. So we've got two candidates there. Up there they are, Kenan Christensen and Mark Barlow. And Kenan is running as a dem Prague. Mark Barlow is running as an independent. But there are some interesting endorsements and such, which we'll talk about later on in the show, I'm sure. And a full ballot, too. And a full ballot. That's right. That's right.  Yes. It's going to be interesting to see how they all fall. Yep. Let's move over. We have in Essex, in Essex Junction, Essex Town, we have another attempt at the merger. A 20th attempt, someone told me, 20 times, yeah. So interesting. So the village has already voted in favor of the merger. This is the chance for the town to vote as well. Any predictions? Do you even want to try? Yeah. You know, it has been successful before. It's a really interesting argument. There have been communities in the past that have decided to separate. These two are, again, as you say, making another attempt to work together here. I mean, the real dynamic, it's easy for the Essex Junction people to vote in favor of it. But the town, which includes the people in the village as well, too, this will be interesting.  What else in Chittany County are we going to be keeping an eye on? So we're going to also look at the Champlain Water District. They have a bond out there for a million dollars for capital improvements. That's eight communities, I believe, in the county. Everybody almost but Burlington. So that will be interesting to look at. Obviously, money's cheap. This is a good time to do that. It won't raise, apparently, rates at all. So that's what we're hearing for that one. And then there's town budgets, school budgets, mostly pretty small increases across the board. I think everyone realized this was not a time to put big items on the agenda. So I think we'll see those being smaller and we'll see if the people go for them. It's been a tough year for everyone. One item I know, then, of Richmond is in a few other communities as well to this whole idea of commercial retail sales of pot. That's right. The cannabis spill, yes. So the legislature has passed the legislation, but you have to opt in. So a number of municipalities are trying to opt in with this. And I think it's still a long way off, right? Because there's not even a committee put together yet that's going to make the rules, a commission to make the rules about how this is all going to happen, where you can sell cannabis, where you can't. There's a lot yet to do. So it's a ways off, but a number of the communities are in now, trying to get in now. Right. As we mentioned, it is an unusual year. The campaigning was certainly not what it was before. Our coverage tonight will be a little bit different. It isn't quite like the Golden Globes where Diane looked like we're sitting right next to one another. We're a good six feet apart here. That's actually how far we really are. Exactly. Yeah. So we'll keep you apprised on how things are going to proceed as we go along tonight. We're going to head now and check in with the Secretary of State, Jim Condos, who spoke with some of the students with my brother's keeper. Another question is, how is town mirroring this different because of the pandemic? Well, we recognized early on that it was going to be different. Obviously last year, when the pandemic first hit us, we sat in place working with the legislature. They allowed me to have some flexibility in changing some of the laws that we had to help protect voters. So we set some ground rules, if you want to call them, for the towns back in March of last year. I think we all thought that the pandemic would be by. We wouldn't have to deal with it after November.  So right after the November election, we began working with the governor's office, with the town clerks, with the Vermont League of Cities and Towns, and legislative leaders to come up with a, if you want to call it a menu of options that towns could use for this year. Remember, we have three overriding principles that we used when we were making any decision. One is to protect voting rights of every eligible Vermonter. Two to protect the health and safety of every Vermonter, not just the voters, but also the town clerks and the workers at the polls. And three to protect the integrity of our election. So it was a constant tug of war in essence to make sure that we could make sure that we were following those principles to ensure the integrity of our elections, but while protecting people. And for instance, this year, we allowed some towns who have what they call a town meeting where they actually vote from the floor. We allowed them to change to a ballot so that they could vote by ballot instead. We allowed some town, well, we allowed any town that wanted to be able to mail their ballots directly to their voters, like we did in November. And, you know, Burlington is one of those towns that has taken advantage of that as well as South Burlington. And we also allowed towns to be able to to postpone their town meeting day from March 2 to say sometime in April or May, when they might be able to have, when the pandemic might be getting into a better place or they can move it outdoors. So, you know, we just what we did was provide a lot of options. Because of the pandemic, unfortunately, we're not going to be able to have guests coming into our studios like we usually do during town meeting night. But because we're all living in a virtual world, we've taken care of that. And it's our great pleasure to welcome in tonight, Seth Leonard, the former Mayor Winooski, who's going to be in charge of Studio Z and interviewing their candidates as they join us throughout the evening. Seth. Welcome to TownMeetingTV's Studio Z live from Winooski. We'll be your hub all evening for live interviews with candidates and policymakers as we cover the results of TownMeeting 2021. Leading up to TownMeeting, you've been counting on TownMeetingTV to bring you information here directly from candidates and the policymakers. Whether it's a budget presentation, candidates in a contested race or advocates for a ballot item, TownMeetingTV's been here to make sure you're ready for a town meeting day 2021. That's not stopping with the casting of your ballots. We'll be back bringing you live results and interviews live with candidates and policymakers. Getting elected is only the first step. Listen and learn how the candidates reflected on the race and what comes next. We'll welcome Burlington candidates, Joan Shannon, Perry Freeman, Kenan Christensen, and also Elaine Haney from Essex and the mayoral candidates from Burlington, Mayor of Winooski, and perhaps many more. So we look forward for you to join us later this evening. And now back to Diane and Mark in Studio A. Thank you very much, Seth. We'll be checking back with you later as we proceed throughout the course of the night. Diane, as we were mentioning the top story tonight, we're going to be following is the mayor's race in Burlington. And I think it's fair to say this has not been an easy year for incumbent Mayor Murrow Weinberger. No, it certainly hasn't. There's been all this debate about the whole or the pit or the previous mall, I guess, as well. There seems to be some movement on that, but it's been a long haul. And I think that that is really that's been tough for folks. And I think some of this also looks back to we were talking earlier about the young new progressives and their interest in activism sooner rather than later, where some of the older progs are looking at change, but maybe not as quickly. And I think that's going to also play a part as well in the mayor's race. So it's going to be really interesting to see, you know, do our people looking for kind of what we've had along the way? I think Murrow Weinberger or a complete really a big change, much more to the left and a much quicker pace of Max Tracy, for instance. Yeah, you're right. It really is interesting to see people like Brian Pine and Jane Nodell, you know, these sort of elder statesmen of the Progressive Party, who, you know, we're certainly part of the, you know, the young crowd. Many years ago, the police is also clearly a big issue, too. Absolutely, absolutely. And really, you know, that again, how do we make the decisions about what the police force looks like and the numbers? How many people should be or how many police should there be? I mean, all these questions are out there and some people want to study it more and some people want to act and some people are in between. So I think we're and then, you know, there's a little bit of fear mongering in there, too, about what happens overnight.  So there's just a lot. And also the whole idea of the mental health issues of a lot of the folks that that the police have to deal with on a regular basis and how can we address that as well? So I think we're hearing a lot about that. And I think that's going to be a continued issue, certainly in Burlington. Max Tracy is the president of the city council. So certainly carries some significance there. Allie Jang, he's been on the city council from the New North End. What's what's his campaign's pitch? I think, you know, I don't completely know, to be honest with you, I know he does a lot of racial justice work. He works for the schools, I believe. And I think he's probably trying to play the game between Merrill Weinberger and, excuse me, and Max Tracy. I think he's trying to be a more a more middle of the road centrist, if you will, in Burlington, which is a tricky. What does that mean, right? Anywhere else would be way off to the left, right? So I think he's trying to play that. And we see that a lot from folks from the New North End. I mean, we certainly see that in the New North End race as well, that discussion of, you know, can we be more centrist, move a little slower? So, yeah, I think that's the that's the place he's trying to stick out. He hasn't raised anywhere near as much money as the other candidates or the other major two candidates, right? So we'll see. Does money matter in Burlington races? I don't know. We'll find out. We're going to find out a little bit more about the three major candidates or a mayoral forum that was held here on Channel 17 in conjunction with the folks at Seven Days. The biggest gain toward racial justice will be made when core city appointed positions reflect the racial diversity that exists in this great city. And an ongoing coordinated training for the city staff and our partners to understand that racial equity is actually a gift and it is also the future. Well, I will be going through the police department with a couple of police and citizens that I know and addressing all racial profiling incidents as well as priority number one. That is priority number equal and equitable enforcement of the rules is imperative to a thriving city. Can't have it without it. You know, we need to de-escalate the tensions between law enforcement and the residents. We need to help have people accountable. We need to have, like I say, changed the nature of law enforcement to public safety. I'm committed to uprooting systemic racism across our city by making sure that institutions are held accountable for their actions. Our police department, for example, must be held accountable through real independent community oversight. To the disproportionate use of foreign armed officer positions into social support roles that better address community needs like trauma-informed mental health support, substance use disorder treatment to address the dire, the dire, opiate crisis that we face and outreach to individuals experiencing houselessness, among others. As we continue to fight the virus and attempt to build our way out of this economic recession, every day we need to make sure we are looking at the work we're doing through the lens of racial justice and make sure that we are having a racially just public health response and racially just economic recovery. I launched a plan to do just that last June. We've tried to stay true to that every day. We're doing it right now as we try to distribute the vaccine and more. Probably one of the most important things you can do is hire a racially diverse staff. That includes police, importantly. The more diverse the police force, the better. And I think the city should continue to utilize and strengthen its relationships with organizations like the Africans living in Vermont, the Joint Urban Ministry Project, Boys and Girls Club. I'll focus on the three P's of a progressive housing agenda to produce new housing with a specific emphasis on homes that serve low and moderate income families, preserving existing housing stock of affordable housing and protecting those who are marginalized and vulnerable through expanding tenant protections. Bring in new business, encourage new business, show businesses how to stay open. That's going to encourage tenants and ownership units, more building of ownership units, which will also benefit contractors that are currently building rental units, primarily in the city of Burlington. We need to have a new attitude towards housing in a city. We need more owner-occupied structures in different ways of doing things. Housing is an issue really my whole professional career has been focused to from the time my first job out of college was really wasn't even a job. I was a volunteer for Habitat for Humanity in America, Georgia. And from that time forward, I really believe that housing it should be a human right. But if we're serious about that, if it's going to be more than just slogan, we have to build a lot more homes. That is the that is the core of this issue. The core of this issue is not capitalism. The core of the issue is we don't have enough homes. Housing and rental is a vexing problem. And I'm not sure that the answer is simply to build more and more housing because I don't think this necessarily follows the classic economics of supply and demand. We can build more and more housing, but more and more people are just going to come. And what we need to strive for is to bring those experts who are in this field together and to explore how do we increase the housing supplies in here in the city of Berlin and also have metrics that we could work on to achieve. A reminder that the polls are open until seven o'clock tonight and Vermont does have same day voter registration. So you still have an hour and 15 minutes to get to the polls if there are issues that are of importance to you. Diane, let's head back out to Essex and Essex Junction. My gosh, any prediction you want to make on this one? Oh, no, no, I don't want to. Not that it's gone back and forth over the all the years I've lived here. It's been a topic back and forth. It's a really tough one. And, you know, they have also, let's not forget, they have combined a lot of departments already, right? They have a single town manager, etc., etc. So a lot of this has kind of happened behind the scenes. It's kind of interesting that they vote against it. I assume those things are still going to stay combined. So it's kind of a hybrid, almost. Yeah, I was really surprised that the amount, because if you live in the village, you pay village taxes and you also pay the town taxes, too. And I was surprised how much more somebody who lives in the village pays in taxes. I think they had a $280,000 house and it was, you know, hundreds of dollars difference. Interesting. You know, and that's interesting also because the budget that's on the ballot is a $16 million budget and it's a 4% increase in the village and a 1.7% increase in the town. Significantly less in the town. Yeah, well, they've come up with some sort of plan, which I hope nobody asks us to explain where they have somehow smoothed out the effect of this. So it isn't an abrupt change and they've spread it out over 12 years. So that may be part of the reason why it's not as significant. There's also some elected offices in S6 and S extension, too. There are there are two select board seats and they are both contested. So incumbent Elaine Haney, she's looking at a second term and she faces a Tracy Delphia and for a three year seat. And I actually did the form for them. Tracy is a info technologist for the state and she's also on the zoning board. And she talked a lot about increasing transparency in government. That's that's her angle, if you will, on that particular seat. There's another seat that's only a one year seat and Don Hill Flory was appointed to that seat when someone else stepped down. She's a woman. She's active in the town government. She's retired. She's facing Mark Nado who hasn't responded. We haven't got much information from him, but that is also another contested seat in Essex along with, of course, everyone's looking at the merger. Right? Yeah, yeah. Interesting that there's some real competition out there. I mean, even, you know, here in Burlington, there's an uncontested city council seat. So that's that's encouraging to hear. Yeah. And, you know, this year also not having to have signatures for to get on the ballot. I think that is maybe why at least in Burlington, the the Merrill candidates, there's such a wide number of folks. But then there's then none of the school board seats are contested. So it's an interesting, I can't quite put my finger on what's going on, to be honest. We're going to hear from some more people out of the polls. We're going to head out to exit voices in Essex. I think it's just I've always voted in person and there's something real about being here and filling out the ballot. So it's, you know, it's relatively quiet. I felt totally safe doing so. And it's just sort of a tradition I have liked to keep.  Just to vote on the merger. So I didn't believe that merger was a thing that we wanted what I read and what I heard. So I voted against the merger. Well, definitely the merger is I think on everyone's mind. So that was definitely an issue that was important to me. For the budget, I went yes on the budget. I felt that was probably OK. And I went yes on the bond as well. But that's the kind of thing that there's probably no matter what they're probably going to do if it's close, they're probably going to do what they want anyway on the budget. And I would look forward to them making the right decisions of people that are actually sitting looking at the numbers. Article two states, shall the town of Essex adopt the plan of merger of the town of Essex, Vermont and village of Essex, Junction, Vermont, dated January 11, 2021, and the proposed charter for the merged municipalities. I will work as hard as I do for this merger as opposing any change in the 12 year, 13 year mitigation of taxes. I would not at all. This is what I'm voting for. This is what I want. And fair is fair. I would question some of the statements that I've heard that consolidations have minimized duplications and that you found efficiencies and service delivery. Essex for decades has run its government on a shoestring. Taxpayers and board members who preceded me in this town would have never stood for much less paid for efforts being duplicated and they were not. Streets in the town weren't being plowed by two different departments. Two planning commissions weren't deliberating over the same development approval. Two zoning boards weren't determining where a single waiver would be granted. In fact, the village and town governments each had and still have their own spans of control, which don't overlap with the other. I understand that some folks choose to believe that consolidations began in 2014 did something more than save money on the backs of existing staff. But that was not my experience. My question concerns the population figures of these two words we're talking about. Do we have an estimation of what those populations are because we have a constitutional mandate that we that from Avery versus Midland County, that we have to have if we have special districts, we have to have equal representation. And is there a remedy for that should the village or town gain a surplus of population over the other? So the words would be, as you heard during the presentation, the geographic boundary of the village as it exists now and then the boundary of all of the other parts of the town that are not in the village. Currently, we are waiting for census figures to adjust to to understand exactly what the populations are. But currently, the populations are very, very close in number. And so there is a certain percentage that voting wards need to be within before we need to adjust boundaries to make sure that proportionality is being honored. Like you said, in the constitutional amendment, that we must have the proper proportions in each ward. That was a little taste of the Essex annual town meeting. We also want to thank Aidan White and Skylar Wolf from the exit voices in Essex. Diane, the Champlain Water District has a decent size bond. They're looking for they do. They're looking for a million dollars for water collection and distribution projects. That's eight member municipalities, basically taking advantage of very low interest rates to borrow that million. And it will not impact the rates at all. So pretty uncontroversial for what I can tell. OK, that's one of those you say to yourself, I wonder how people are going to what's the what's the opposition going to be? Exactly. We will be carrying results for you throughout the course of the night. We encourage you to stay tuned here at Channel 7 or at Town Meeting Television. We also want to head over to our friends at Mount Mansfield Television, where they have an overview of what's going to be happening in Jericho, Richmond, as well in Underhill. As in the rest of Vermont, Town Meeting Day 2021 is different from the past in Jericho, Underhill and Richmond, Vermont. February has been full of virtual meetings related to the budgets and Australian ballot items in the towns, as well as their shared Mount Mansfield Unified Union School District. All three towns have encouraged absentee ballot voting. Here's a look at what's at stake on March 2 in each town. In Richmond, there are contested select board, Constable and Library trustee positions. The ballots, seven additional articles include Article 2 for the approval of a $4.2 million budget up from just under $4 million the previous year. Article 3 is for the purchase of a dump truck not to exceed $110,000. Article 4 has to do with formalizing the establishment of a town center reserve fund which was created through rent paid by town center tenants in the past. Article 5 is related to the fund and future town center tenant payments. Article 6 has to do with the approval of cannabis retail in the town. Article 7, which has been on the ballot for several years, asked voters if they would approve funding the conservation reserve fund through assent on municipal tax. This same structure raised $40,000 annually in the past and dates back to 2005. Finally, on the Richmond ballot, Article 8 is related to a bond for up to $400,000 in 800 feet of waterline on Bridge Street. In the smaller town of Underhill, there are no contested elections on March 2. Article 3 proposes a $1.28 million town budget from 1.18 the previous fiscal year. While Article 4 looks for approval of a highway fund expenditure to the tune of $2 million down from $2.87 million the previous year. Articles 5 and 6 in Underhill have to do with the allocation of surplus funds to the highway and general contingency funds. Article 7 seeks funds for up to $180,000 for a dump truck, while Article 8 and 9, if approved, would establish a tree warden reserve fund. That article is in part inspired by the ash borer insect issue. The most controversial of the articles on the Underhill ballot is Article 10, which would establish a change in the town charter to allow for an elected town officer to be removed from office through a petition with 15% of the population signing followed by a majority vote. This followed a turbulent year on Underhill select board, currently made up of Dan Steinbauer, Robert Stone, and Peter Duvall. Finally, in Jericho 2, town business is being decided via Australia ballot this year. Apart from articles related to the approval of the $3.74 million budget up from $3.65 million in fiscal year 21 and the town's portion of the Underhill Jericho fire department, there are two key articles to keep an eye on. Article 1 in Jericho is a non-binding advisory vote authorizing the Jericho select board to work with the Vermont Land Trust for a conservation easement over the majority of the Mobs Farm property, which the town owns. Mobs Farm is made up of forest, meadows, and varied habitats with miles of trails for public use. This article's purpose as the ballot states is, quote, for the purpose of protecting its natural resources, wildlife habitat, trails, recreational and educational opportunities, productive farmland and forest land and scenic value. Another item which in the past would have led to discussion is article 4, which is focused on creating a reserve fund through attacks for capital improvements to the old red mill, local landmark. This would establish a fund for inevitable future repairs for the mill, which currently has major structural issues. The Jericho ballot has one contested election with longtime select board member Timothy Nolte on the ballot, along with newcomer, Eric Johnson. A reminder, you still have an hour to vote and we encourage you to follow us tonight. After seven o'clock, you can follow the results on the World Wide Web at ch17.tv or you can just join us live right here and Diane and I will tell you all about it. That's gonna wrap things up for here right now, live at 525, we'll be back in about an hour. Thanks for joining us.


Aloha! My name is Steven Philip Katz. I'm a licensed marriage and family therapist here in Honolulu and I wanted to welcome you once again to Shrink Wrap Hawaii and I am really excited because I have a fabulous actress sitting, waiting to come on right on my left side here and I saw her in a play put on by the Actors group about the one I saw was about 10 days ago and it was called Coyotes and welcome to Shrink Wrap Hawaii Rebecca Lee McCarthy. Thanks for having me. So as I was telling you before I loved the play Coyotes and you as the lead just blew me away with your interpretation of that part. Thank you. Could you be so kind as to fill our audience in give us a little thumbnail about what happens in the play? Well the play is written by a local playwright first of all his name is Eric Anderson he lives over on the Big Island and he's just a marvelous playwright we're very lucky to have had his work Grace Art Theatre really fantastic but he tells the story of a woman who is searching for love basically but our understanding of love individually and collectively is not always the same so her search takes kind of a left-hand turn and because the show is over I guess I can give you the spoiler alert she goes through many different types of love marital love she goes through this idea of romantic love this idea of I would say pure love what's the word I'm looking for altruistic love she also experiences motherly love and in the end she experiences the most amazing kind of love in a sense it's a love of freedom without judgment and that's kind of the idea of her journey is is her searching for that perfect kind of love for herself as a human being. Okay so what I saw on stage when you when it up when the play opens you're there with the character playing your husband and I got this sense of two people either the connection has died or never was but there's two people who have seemingly lived a long time together and used to each other's habits and the guy he's like a piece of wood sitting there reading the newspaper and your character is trying to connect in some way it looks like but it's being totally taken for granted ignored and it's painful to watch. Yeah it is it was a interesting scene to work on because pretty much you hit it on the nail on the head is that it's a relationship that she says later on in the play when she meets somebody who captures her heart she says that her marriage was one of convenience that and the line that was actually cut from the play during the process of rehearsal was that she had said something to the effect of it was both getting very late it was getting very late for both of them and so they decided to get married so they got along they probably could converse to some degree but I don't think that there was any spark there in that particular relationship that was clear as time goes on they just lost the ability to find interest in each other so there's another line she says at one point when she talks about her parents and they didn't like music and she says something to the effect of it's not that they thought it was sinful or anything like that they just had no interest in it as if it were bad mitten and I always thought that that was a really good description of her first marriage that it's just we're just doing it it's just bad mitten back and forth back and forth without any no passion passion any need not even really any friendship there just just going through the motions and she didn't even seem to be getting her her half of whatever it was it was like if it was a marriage of convenience it looked to be mostly his convenience like it takes him a while to realize she's gone when she leaves and then they ask the the the neighbor comes over or something and says well I know somebody asked him you know well he says she went to get my cleaning or drop off my cleaning and he didn't even know a cleaner yeah has no idea about her life or what she does to for him for him or the family but you know one could say that is you know I always thought it was partly her fault too how much has she tried to reach out in the past how much has she tried to engage it's interesting we see the husband character throughout the play he does engage with the new woman he finds the next door neighbor now they engage through food they communicate through food and story and she's a bit dominating as compared to my character right but they there is something there yeah and tell the very end and the very end there seems to he seems to go back to where he was with me so obviously something she's not able to reach him either and and of course the big question is how much did she try I'm sure she tried mm-hmm but I think for the motivation for my character is in her brain feelings is that she she tried her very very best over and over and over again and she just knows she's gonna die if she stays there mm-hmm so now that's interesting because it leads me to what I was curious about how you built this character so you what you seem to have done is you create this backstory mm-hmm right where you said your character's name is Eve Eva Eva so you've given her a life that starts before the play oh yeah yeah how do you do that you know I think it is a evolution and every actor goes through it I think a little bit differently I just start with the words and I find little bits of evidence throughout so like I told you before there was a line in there about her parents not liking music yeah and her mom telling her to stop so that was a huge clue for me and that helped us build that first scene with the husband and wife because he stops her every time she hums he makes a noise or he hits the newspaper and then other characters stop her to the only character who really doesn't stop her there's a couple characters but the one that the man she leaves her husband for yeah he sings to her and it's that moment where he sings out loud that she goes oh all right I'm gonna I'm gonna do this this is I have to do this it's that's her her little nugget right so but then the obvious question is she meets this guy in the museum who is very forward and seems to be everything her husband wasn't right and charming yeah and interested in her and wants to build a relationship and they make an agreement to meet the next day because she says oh I have to take care of get my things in order go back to her house and tell her husband I'm gone forever or whatever and then she doesn't show right so did you as the actress playing this character decide for yourself why she doesn't show oh absolutely I think it's vital all of us even if we're not terribly conscious of the fact we always have a motivation for how we behave right and if you are a performer you have to be aware of that motivation you may not play the awareness but you have to be aware of where it comes from if you will so for for my character there's a line with her new man where he tells her oh you're just so beautiful and she realizes in that moment that her beauty will only last so long to him like in my in creating my backstory my first husband said to me oh you're beautiful and we can have a life together and so she hears it again and she thinks to herself it's not gonna be so the beginning is never enough you have to have more to continue and she doesn't want to find herself in the same place I think she doesn't trust intimacy after her husband she doesn't trust that intimacy can be sustained mm-hmm without there being a leash attached so there's a line in the second scene that you see me with the the my new gentleman Carrie yeah or Cappy called the character Cappy where she says I feel like I have a new leash on life and then she corrects herself she says lease so that's in the script it's in the script and so these are the little keys that you start to find when you are a performer I think at least that's what I do is I find those little moments and then I apply it to my backstory and then I apply it for each scene and then I try to find where the path goes through the words and with this script it was really wonderful because the author gave us several phrases that were said over and over and over again in different scenarios and different moments and these phrases became for me the anchor of my backstory mm-hmm yeah but I mean as a in my practice as a therapist mm-hmm about half the work I do is with couples and even most of the work that I do that's with individuals is about their primary relationship with their significant other boyfriend girlfriend husband wife and what you just described I think is always there the balance between intimacy and feeling like you're on a leash mm-hmm and so she opts to run because she decides it's she doesn't want to risk her freedom never right for her the moment a leash is placed on her she can't breathe yeah it's like having and and one of the things is it's interesting you always you can only use what you got as an actress right so but you have to be willing to use what you have and I have panic disorder and I also have anxiety disorder and I've had it my entire life so I capture that feeling I try to capture that feeling of what it feels like at that moment when you can't breathe when you know that the panic all the chemicals flood your body which is why I told you earlier that I think was so exhausting to do this play is that I knew I'd have to tap into it all the way through in order to be successful with this particular character because she has to go through this crazy evolution to where she goes mad at the end of the play she goes mad she separates herself from all humanity and the only being she can communicate with is a coyote and even the coyote she has some struggles with yeah yeah yeah that is very brave of you to use that and I just thought of this woman that I'm working with who in her previous relations relationship she could never get close to this guy and she was always looking for more affection more attention and that ended and now she's terrified because her new boyfriend he just wants to be with her all the time he doesn't have another life and she feels like smothered right like no I can't find a hubby yeah stuff though timing I wonder you know of people's lives and timing being right I mean I'm in a relationship right now with somebody that I we both work from home we both act we go and we work out together we are together all the time and I think any other point in time in my life I would have been the same I would have been all these much I mean it's a 300 square foot space we live in you know how long we've been together we've two two and a half years and you revealed to me that he was your husband right in the play right and we do that we are no actually we're constantly cast opposite each other we were in American dream together and we were in defiance together and I think our energies just work really well we play like from the first day we started working together on stage we just worked really well together which is odd because our technique or how we approach it is entirely different hi I'm Nicole Alexander Enos and I was born three weeks ago congratulations on being there for me for some of the few weeks of my life I'm starting a new show the Millennial Mind every Wednesday at 2 p.m. for the month of April where we'll go over some of the reasons why Millennials are some of the most anxious and frustrated people at the moment hey has your signal just been taken over or am I supposed to be here this is Andrew the security guy your co-host on Hibachi talk please join us every Friday on Think Tech Hawaii hi I'm Cheryl Crozier Garcia I'm the host of working together on Think Tech Hawaii it's a program where we discuss the impact of change on workers employers and the economy so join us every other Tuesday from 4 o'clock to 4 30 we're live in the studio on working together in Think Tech Hawaii take care see you soon bye welcome back to shrink wrap Hawaii I'm Steve Katz still with my guest Rebecca Lee McCarthy and we're talking about the crossover between art and life theater the play Coyote in this case and you were just saying you had several therapists come see the play yeah we did we did and I think it's quite the same reason that you know you you were kind of interested is the the navigating of the relationships and also how do you allow yourself to go to a place of madness and then emerge if you do it if you try to really commit to the moment of that madness what does it mean to disengage from your brain I've had a couple people ask me that and I'm not sure I have a good answer for it do you felt like that's what you did in the play oh yeah most definitely sort of dissociative disorder we call it multiple personality disorder now they call it dissociative disorder yeah it's some other people yeah I think she well I don't know she becomes a different person she just checks out like she just becomes engrossed in her own world and that world no longer really connects with the everyday world right so she can still talk to we have a UPS man who actually is kind of her soulmate in a weird way that's where the mother thing came out a little bit no that was the character before that there was a eagle the young man all right right right who she can't get rid of she can't get rid of a young boy who comes upon her house she's already beginning to go into madness when this young man shows up at her doorstep injured stabbed from being part of a drug deal right and she feels that she has to help him although she doesn't really want to right but she feels it's her responsibility and he tries to use her right to have a place to live and he even tries to tell her that he loves her and she knows she knows really angry yeah it makes her really angry because she knows she's he's lying and indeed when she calls him on it he goes God I just wanted a place to stay you know and she's like you know get out of here but that moment is her break moment so but what about the relationship with the woman before that the woman that she was working for and then the woman suggests partnership which sort of has an ambiguous meaning I think which was that intentional no we talked about it a lot about that possibility of it being romantic as well as kind of a business partnership we decided against it because there wasn't any text really in the scenes to entirely support that type of relationship but romantic romantic but intimate certainly yes sisters I want to be sisters with you so for that character she has a very spiritual bent and even as Eva goes into interview with a job the job is with for your for your viewers my character goes in for a job at wellsprings which is a clinic or a organization that helps women who are in a bad place right and the head of the organization is very spiritual I'd say she's even she imagines herself as a nun so there's that type of intimacy between sisters between nuns that is probably just as intense as it is for people who have a romantic but even that is too scary for it for Eva I think what it is is this idea that she is going to all of a sudden save everybody there's you know we're gonna build one wellspring then we'll build another wellspring is a suggestion that's made by the other character and that will be sisters and every time she says we're sisters my character Eva says no no Marcia we aren't sisters don't please please don't because she doesn't feel comfortable with that and I think mostly for Eva she feels like it's a lie she can't trust anybody well it's not only that she can't trust anybody but to pretend that she's going to be able to make a huge difference in the world is to her a lie and Eva's somebody who who likes to imagine things but she's probably not very comfortable with living a life that can she considered to be a lie word but that's pressing I mean is that I mean that sounds like somebody who is really kind of depressed to me somebody who doesn't believe that a person can make a difference in the world yeah I think that she is at that place though yeah because she doesn't necessarily believe in herself any more than she believes that she's able to go out and have these little mini successes after she runs away from her marriage yeah but she doesn't want to commit to the success she just wants to I think she just wants to find a solution where she feels like she can breathe and and the only solution by herself yeah just to cloister herself off from society and from society's expectations but then she goes off with the coyote and freezes to death yeah but it is happy for her I mean I think she finds what she's looking for so but that's the interesting dichotomy between the the actor and the character right so if I'm talking as the character yeah I probably wouldn't be sitting here but if I'm talking to maybe just once she definitely finds what she's looking for she is she holds the one thing that would never allow her to hold a coyote the coyote I've decided at the end it actually comes to her she falls in the snow probably hurts herself it's a blizzard and the coyote doesn't run off though the coyote comes to her and lays on her and then dies with her so there is so as a therapist I would say she gets close by finally making herself vulnerable yeah and I would say that's exactly it so I mean this can have ramifications like in Honolulu when you see somebody who is what we would call mad you know somebody living off by themselves in the forest on the pulley or in a box somewhere I mean there's a big debate you know the ACLU says leave these people alone they deserve freedom and then you know other people feel like these people need help they really are ill and that they need even though they they might not tell you they need help it's our humane responsibility to help them and but I wonder about this woman because she takes care of herself she meets her basic needs right she has food and shelter until she doesn't right but that's the that's the rub until she doesn't until she doesn't well I think the the question is what kind of help who's who's to say that a certain form of help is the right form of help you know so the postman at the very end of the play wants to take care of her there's no common there's this there's that yeah and she's she even looks at him because I've never been better that's the last line she has to another human being in the play basically well she she has to sign for a package but that's the last serious line and she absolutely believes she has never been better she I imagine by the time she gets to that part of the play her anxiety is gone she's not dealing with it day to day she is living life on her own is it though that's how it ends up she dies I don't think she wants to die I think that she just slipped and fell I think she slipped and fell yeah and but she lives out in the middle of nowhere so there was nobody there to give her any help the big mistake for Eva is that she didn't know from snow so that's one of the things she says is you know he goes there got a storm coming I'm a little worried about you and she goes I know from snow and she doesn't right but I mean the whole idea that can a person be truly happy by themselves I mean because they say like prisoners who would put in isolation will tell you that that's the worst torture of all yeah is to be isolated without anybody else because we are by our nature in social animals yeah oh you think she was really happy I do I think the guy if the coyote wasn't there I think there'd be a different Eva but I think the coyote gives her all the socialization she really needs so that was that was her relationship that was her relationship yeah well yeah I mean there's certainly plenty of people that have a pet a dog or cat whatever I guess that's enough for her I mean that's that's the way I played it that's the way I you know ultimately came to the conclusion of for that character for myself I think it would be horrible for most of us yeah yeah I don't need a lot of people but just one or two real good ones they're very very helpful you know I just so fascinated talking about the plan never got to ask you anything where did you grow up oh I grew up in Arizona and how did you come to the stage the theater I have always done it since little kid time since I was a little kid yeah so I got into theater when I was very very young and did commercials and live theater in Arizona growing up why what's the hook for you I don't know I mean it's a real good question I guess I just always wanted to be one of the people in the TV box originally and then at a certain point in time I thought I wanted to be famous but as I pursued it what I realized was I was just interested in people's motivations why people do what they do so my other degrees are I have a degree in sociology rhetoric and philosophy and each one of those areas is really just about exploring why people do what they do because I'm fascinated by the choices we make in life and I'm fascinated and sometimes dumbfounded by some of those choices and so I like to find I like to find that motivation I gotta wrap us up they're telling me we're done and I agree with you why do people do what they do but I'm really glad you came today thank you very much for having me