pen world. And I was like, yes, because you know what, it actually is really boring when you're going in between locations and like Ocarina of Time, like there's not a ton to explore. There's just a little bit. But if that was all open and there was lots of cool stuff, like I think that would be a really great marriage between the two. And that would kind of is people have the same complaints with Breath of the Wild. A lot of people was like the dungeons weren't weren't cut that were boring, like the divine beasts. So, yeah, it's not all the old school dungeons, but with an open world, like in between it. And I think that would be an awesome sell the game. Yeah, I'm sorry.  I was just no, no, no, no, I'm good. Yeah, no, but like the Lightning Temple enters the kingdom, I would say is maybe the closest thing to what you're kind of getting at. Yeah, because they're doing a little bit of the Lightning Temple. But like there's there's the opening sequence to the Lightning Temple, right? Like you have to go down corridors. And yeah, that's very linear. That part. Yeah. Yes, I think Lighting Temple is actually a pretty pretty damn good dungeon. Actually, yeah, I totally didn't solve it the right way. Like I got the reflecting thing. Like I would just like pile stuff up and of doing it the intended way because I just got frustrated. But it worked and I didn't have to look it up. But that was kind of tough, right? It was a little bit. It was really fun though. It was that was yeah, you're right. I liked the spectacle for the Wind Temple, but I think. And that's typically going to be your first one. Well, you know, we're going to recommend it a little bit. Yeah, most players, I think that's a great first one for that game. But yeah, it's also kind of easy way better than the boss fight. I don't even care about the rest of the top of the boss fight. It was so great. I'm good. Colgar Colgar. Oh, Colgar is such a good guy. It was really easy, but I mean, I mean, it's it's the it's the first dungeon. Yeah, to be fair, I don't even think it's the easiest. I might want to get into it. I'm really likely one. The boss is definitely the hardest, I think. You know, it's funny. I've heard people say that it's easy, but it was also hard for me. I think it depends on how you play the game because the difficulty does ramp up. I think as you as you progress, because like it was hard about it. It made it easier for me was just like you have water, you have water, you have water abilities, you have bomb arrows. So I don't know what's I don't know what's hard. Yeah. And like when you aim in the air, it freezes time and not like makes it so much like it gives you so much more leeway. When we're talking about the same boss, the boss at the end of the Zora. Well, I'm talking about the lightning temple. Oh, yeah, I was talking about the Zora one. I thought that one was even easier than Colgar. I was talking about the wind temple. I was thinking about the fire temple. You just know what the lightning temple one? I will admit that one. That one was hard. That was really hard. It would always one shot me. I'm going to throw this out there. I would die. Yeah. Whenever I hear people talk about easy bosses, I keep thinking back on all the three days I played. I don't remember ever leaving any of the fights, thinking they were particularly hard. They were just had cool mechanics. Once you figure out the mechanic, it's easy. Yeah. So like I've never looked at Zelda games as like, oh, we have super hard. It's like, I honestly thought like the lightning temple boss is actually one of the harder bosses in a 3D Zelda game. Oh, for sure. Dude, with all the different Gibdo's chasing you. Gibdo's chasing you and like. It's actually kind of creepy and scary. She's always coming like right at you all the time and as you're trying to like get distance from her. And getting behind her.  You're very intimidated, you know. I mean, I definitely died to the fight a couple of times before I even knew what I was doing, even though I was doing that boss to open up the dungeon to. So there's a little bit of a story there. That's what you think you know what to do. And then the same thing doesn't work exactly at all in the final part. You're like, uh, yeah.  I don't know what to do now. Oh, yeah. That's why we also it was cool to see challenge like that at the end of the game because the thing with Breath of the Wild was. Unless it was challenging part was the beginning when you had no hearts or no good equipment. And then the more stand-up on hearts you got, the easier the game got, the better stuff you'd find. And technically the boss fights are harder, but they were easier because of your attributes. Sure. Um, so I think, dude, here's the kingdom really learned so much. Breath of the Wild really, really. I feel the same way. It's refreshing to hear that because just been there's been a lot of negative conversation about Cheers of the Kingdom lately. And I feel like it hasn't really been representative of what they accomplished with that game. Like I look at what they, where they went from Breath of the Wild to Cheers of the Kingdom and they went in all the directions I wanted and expected them to go in life. I thought they did a better job of telling the story. I thought they did a better job of having an antagonist that you had a relationship with, which really helped to have a more satisfying end. And the way they handle the final boss, that was way better than the way they handle the final boss. The final boss. Dude, so many, so many. And that's a very good final. That's the number one game that I played, 155 hours, even more than Pokemon. And I looked and like the majority of my hours that I gained on Switch, it was like every month was like the bar was this little and then May was like this. Yeah. I've been noticing that for a lot of people myself. Dude, the bar when it went off. May is a big spike year for most Nintendo fans. Yeah. When the phase change happens and the bar goes off screen. They did so many cool things.  Is this a bug?  I just want to recognize what's happening right now. So that's not why Ganondorf is always going to be so much cooler than any form of Ganon. I tend to agree. Beast Ganon's always been sort of a letdown.  Ganon's all right. So yeah. The thing is, Ganon is cool to me when Ganon is the final transformation of Ganondorf. But there's got to be a Ganondorf at the base. Yeah, sure. I can see that, too. Dude, come on, come on, like Ocarina of Time. I just don't like Beast Ganon or Fincher. Don't do Beast Ganon. I'm kind of over the Beast Ganon thing.  No, I like it as like Andres is right, like as the ultimate form of a boss, but not as the antagonist who's seen the whole game. Yeah, or like I want. Yeah, yeah. I like Ganon and Ocarina of Time. Ganon and Ocarina of Time is an example. I like that one. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Yeah, exactly. Well, Ganon and Ocarina of Time. The person, the visual antagonist that you're seeing is Ganondorf. And then at the end, you just have an ultimate form. So Ganondorf is more of a. A cliche in a lot of like RPGs, right? Like you have to, you've killed a boss, but then there's really a super boss. It's like the god of the world or trying to be or whatever. That's like a cliche, but not in a bad way. It's a cool. It's a cliche because it's awesome. So like it's cool when it has meaning behind it, like Ganon to Ganondorf. Yeah, or, but they did something really cool in Tears of the Kingdom where they want up that. Oh, yeah, that's true. I don't know. It's just so cool. But anyways, the thing I wanted to acknowledge though, is that right now we're kind of gushing about Tears of the Kingdom. And to me, what this kind of feels like, like we didn't intend on doing this, right? And to me, what it kind of feels like, it's, it's, I think it's part of the Zelda cycle, right? Like I think we plays all the, and after the honeymoon phase, a lot of us get really critical of it. And then after a certain little time, we start to reminisce, think about it, right? Like we had that year of the day. Honestly, I just was saying that Baldur's Gate 3 was going to win game of the year, but I always said all the time. I know. No, I, you've been consistent on that, right? I'm aware that you are your Zelda fan, but you were like, hey, what's Baldur's Gate 3 going to win? I mean, I, I understand why Baldur's Gate 3 was going to win, right? It wasn't totally shocking. I was hoping just Kenny would win, right? Sure. You know, it doesn't surprise me to what happened. So, yeah, I think we can move on to the second part of this. Because this is, like I said, like talking about the future is all those crazy and interesting, but like the only thing we really know for sure is it's still going to be open world because they've already, then that's something they've confirmed before. It's going to be open world, and it's not going to be a sequel to Tears of the Kingdom. That's basically what we learned from all of this, which is not what we expected it to be anyways. So we just have to wait. We're probably not going to see the game for two, three years. So we'll see what happens whenever they decide to reveal it. I think we can see the remake sooner. Yes. And that's the next quote it's interesting about. So Aonuma was asked directly.  Ocarina of Time remake. Slide that in. Are we getting this thing basically? And Aonuma laughs and says no comment. Now, people would have like it's getting blown out of proportion. He was asked that we were getting Majora's Mass 3D. And he was laughing at the comment then. And then we got Majora's Mass 3D. Yeah. Nintendo's notorious. If it's a hard no, they'll they'll say that. Yeah. Make up some ideas to be like, maybe we'll consider it. Nintendo loves to temper expectations when when expectations should be tempered. They're not a fan of hyping or responsibly, even when it's warranted. And Aonuma probably already got in trouble when he said Skyward Sword HD. And then Nintendo literally went into denial.  So he hasn't. But he was given the opportunity to just flat out. No. So but what's really interesting about this, right, is that because remember, there is that other interview. A Rauru. In Dream Magazine, right, where and some people have had actually tried to counter this thing where he was saying, hey, oh, it's interesting. People don't know about. I don't think people know about Rauru anymore because it said, oh, well, Rauru used to be a town. But if you look at the interview, he's talking about a character. He brings up the character. And the only the only other time he was a character is Ocarina of Time. Yes. So they were talking about Rauru from Ocarina of Time. And so he's saying it's interesting. I don't really think fans know about that anymore. And so it does. And I asked what it was. At this point, at this point, you know, if in the Ocarina remake, it was Rauru from Tears of the Kingdom. Oh, no, no, we're just full rec carving. Let's go.  But I personally would. Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen. I wouldn't. All right, all right. Sorry, sorry. My bad. My bad. All right.  You know, what we're all out of. We're all out of school for a second. Now you're making me doubt myself. So it's fine. Now I doubt myself for doubting you. All right. So what were you going to say? I'm just you were about to say something, Leni. We were actually in the middle of flirting. So if you could. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, I just think it's interesting how we're kind of seeing these different things pop up. And this is me maybe tweeting my own horn here. But maybe you can vouch for this. I mean, that you can just check the time stamps that the time stamps are there, right? The awkward time thing's been around for a couple of years. So I'm not going to pretend like I'm not that's not the case. But I made an awkward time remake video like a couple of months ago, right? It won't mainly from the perspective of just looking at historical trends and that there's probably going to be a remake and it wasn't necessarily awkward time, but that was just kind of like, I think this makes kind of sense. And then surely afterwards, the Nintendo Dream magazine comes out with the Rauru thing and then the 25th anniversary stuff comes up and people starting to talk more and more about this and more and more videos start coming out and then we get this. And so it just kind of feels like. They're aware of the 25th anniversary conversation. I mean, heck, what Nintendo of Espana and Nintendo are actually posted on social media about awkward time is 25th anniversary. Like there's an awareness of what's going on with this. And so with Anuma having the opportunity after arguably already teasing the idea and all this conversation to not deny it. I just feel like we're starting to get to a point where. This is this is feeling more like a really solid prediction. And like like they've been already working on it and they already know. Yeah. And just something I'll bring up early. You haven't seen the speculation on this before. The the main, like I would say point about there being something major like this coming is just because we're going to wait years for the next major Zelda and when you look at the history, when Nintendo closes out a generation with a major Zelda game, they follow up the beginning of the new generation. Like within that first year, two years with some sort of repurposed other Zelda game to bring in the Zelda fans, sell consoles, showcase the system and hold us off until the next major Zelda game is ready a few years down the road. So a remake makes a lot of sense. And now we have all this awkward time stuff. And so it's kind of like things coming together. Are you not even sure that it's a pretty solid prediction? Are you just happy to see me? Ha, it's a it's a I don't even know how to respond to that. Pretty solid. It's flustered. It's pretty solid. Is that what you're going to say? Oh, man, if you read it right now, he might I just I just feel like there's nothing I'm a little like I'm a little nothing I can say or do that will be construed in the way I want. They won't work. It's OK. I can read between the lines. There are no lines to read between. Are you sure? No, yes. All right. Oh, here I'll give you a French. I'm not going to say which I was eating a sandwich so aggressively. I'm going to. Pause pause. It hits. All right. Eric, would you like to see an arcade time remake? I mean, I don't think you ever played the original, did you? Possibly while you pushed a pause to go to the bathroom. You were playing my pause game. Yeah, you probably need to be a controller to play this for me as you went to the bathroom. No, probably not. Not that not that game. No, I'm a game. I mostly played alone. It was win way that win waker was the one. Yeah, because he had a sale for so long. I do keep me going. Just just keep me going.  Yeah, 20 minutes later. You come back and still be still. Sorry, I ran into the sting in the middle of the ocean and it killed me and I'm trying to bomb it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I forgot to tell you about that. I'm going to tell you about that thing. Anyways, I mean, yeah, it'd be great. I think so here's here. Here's the big thing with the remake, like if it happens. And I think there's a good chance that it will because I think Nintendo thinks it'll sell a lot. And are they are they going to reimagine parts of it? Or are they going to stay super faithful? Oh, I think they'll reimagine parts such as apparently Raaru. Well, I honestly think there will be a more open world to it. I think they'll implement that. Do they do that? That's a big ask. But I have to say that like, I think they'll do something awesome like so when you say that team, you mean that the main Zelda team? Yeah, I don't know what the main Zelda team is making. Yeah, they've got to have allocated some, right? I might be helping. They might oversee. I think even the B team, I like, I have the Grezzo at this point more faith in than most like developers in general. Well, you know, monolith soft has actually been hiring. Yeah, we assume it's for tears of the kingdom. And they are really good at exploring open worlds, too. And what what if it was this? What if they've been working on the activity time remake knowing like, because they have basically a dedicated Zelda team there that helps out. Yeah. What if like the core Zelda teams working on the next Zelda game? And then this team was finishing off this and then joining the core team after this one's done to finish off the next Zelda game, too. That could be a thing as well. It could. Or monolith soft sort of leading the charge on this. They may be working on that team as all the experience of the new engine and they all experience open world Zelda. Like they could easily somehow implement some of those elements into and I'm not saying we're going to be able to climb everything. I think some of those mechanics are that's not going to be coming in. But like I can wait a time. If you guys think about it is not that far away from being an open world game. It's got arbitrary restrictions in place that you could sort of glitch through the new dungeons out of order. So Hogger's legacy on Switch is not an open world game, but other platforms. It is here we go into that debate because there's some loading.  When people say it's not overworked as a load screens guy open world. Always have load screens. That doesn't make it not open world. It just means it's not a seamless open world. And I'm going to tell you right now, there actually isn't that many seamless open worlds. There's a lot of loading happening right in front of you. Some of it even hitching the game. If you open a door to go into a building and the screen goes black for half a second, that's a load. That's not seamless. Yeah, but it's it's a lot more seamless now on the consoles that have SSDs. Oh, yeah. Sure. And then you know, yeah, no, you're not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm just going to go back to play original Skyrim. Dude, there being load screens does not make something out of this. Never been the whole point of open world is that it's open and you can go anywhere. That's it's more about gameplay structure. The freedom of what you can do and how you do it. But they have Zelda is considered one of the very first open world games. Every time you enter a dungeon, it loads. Yeah. I mean, it's constantly how do you how do you feel about big loads? You know, I always constantly. All right, I'm going to ignore that. And yeah, so what I want to talk about is a link. You can't you can't do that. That was another thing. Remember Z link? It's up to our imaginations. Whatever happened, I don't know what happened. Oh, is that Zeldin link? That's a thing. I don't care what they say. Yeah, no, they said it. What I want to do is I'm actually not joking here. Like I'm not trolling or anything. I just I genuinely think that link is asexual. I genuinely think link has been Bork and Zelda for decades. Moving on. Yeah, I do. I don't think I've never shown a link show interest in anyone. Yeah, the you know, the curtain falling with Lincoln's all the going into kiss. That's that's nothing. I would know. I mean, Lincoln Skyward Sword definitely has a thing. Yeah. OK, yeah. I would say Lincoln in Tears of the Cape. Well, I will I will say this. That's that's they. And Nintendo goes out of their way to leave possibilities open. And it's up. It's up to you. And that's where they literally. They want link to connect with as many players as possible. So they've they purposely never really gone all the way in the game to show it outside of that one curtain moment at the end of Zelda 2. So I think that they purposely leave it a bit more ambiguous. And literally, they say, hey, they just did this in an interview. They just said, if you think Lincoln's all together, they're together. But if you don't know that is that is the whole thing. Or that is that is Link on a character as a character. He's supposed to be a blank slate for the player. So if the player if the player wants to like Zelda cool, the player wants Link to say, you say, like, that's that's what he wants. He wants to be real, not even like clowning. Like, I think Nintendo and I think they're going back to whatever.  But that doesn't mean he likes in the corn after it grows. Well, I mean, I'll say this. Can I say Zelda is in love with Link? That that that's like that. Yes, I never said she wasn't. I said I called the next one. Right. Sure. Sure. Right. Just because Zelda loves Link doesn't mean Link's all Zelda. Everybody will like. But I mean, I think there's I don't know. And tears of the kingdom. I was getting some serious vibes from Sidon's wife.  Hurrah. I want to go back to I brought the Hogwarts legacy. No, Mipha definitely wanted Link. That was a well known thing. Yeah. That's also. Yeah. No, there was. Everybody wants. You know, they're going to see what? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. From the bar and Twilight Princess. Yeah, everybody wants. Yeah, I think it was a shock by the giant. But he has a poster of that Zelda like above his bed. So like, I think when I think when Link walked into the bar with Telma, he was just so shocked that titties can be that big. The great. He had never been that big. I wanted to. There was something we kind of went by that I wanted to bring up. I didn't bring up Hogwarts legacy to trash it. I was actually going back to the Ocarina of Time thing. So the difference between Hogwarts legacy on Switch versus other platforms where there is a lot of apparent loading, they can. You know, if they were to remake Ocarina of Time, that's something they can do. They wouldn't necessarily require like a lot of extra work. Like changing around the structure of the game. You can just, you know, if you're going through a tunnel, that's just not a tunnel.  Like it's all just there.  So there's no reason to really have that restriction if they're going to bring it back to just being able to do the dungeons out of order would already make it feel so much more. Do you think it would be do you think it would be cool if they added an extra dungeon or two? Sure. Yeah, the ice cavern bigger. So something I actually suggested. And it would be cool to. I had actually made a video a couple of weeks ago about changes we could see in the remake that might not be like too crazy, but maybe feasible. But I think an extra dungeon is like maybe in the cards, right? So like, you know, the north western part of the map of Hyrule in Ocarina of Time, it's kind of just there's like just like nothing there. Oh, yeah, it's like a castle. So like the deserts to the west, right? Yeah, that's towards the Gerudo Desert area a little right. Yeah, but there's there's like this entire plot of land. There's just nothing going on. There's in there a sort of fishing. I thought there was something. No, maybe fishing is south. Fishing is in Lake Hylia. So I swore in the 3ds version, they added something up there, right? Maybe you're confusing like the mirrored version or something. But yeah, that might have messed me up too. Yeah, it's a mass request mirrored things. But but the point is there is an empty plot. I know there's an empty plot. There's like nothing there's different corners, right? One corner is like Okiri. The south is like there's things on different sides. There's one area that's just like nothing. Like they could definitely put something there. Like for sure.  Like what if they were to put like, I don't know, like an ice mountain over there or whatever, or some kind of extra dungeon would be cool. Maybe that extra dungeon has its own storyline that you have to do certain side quests to build up to so they can add more side quests and then you have a unique boss fight. And that just gives you maybe a more finely. Let me beat the running man. Another power or something. I don't know. Give us something good for getting the skull tools. Oh, oh, oh, that's a good idea. That's a good idea. I was actually looking at footage of one of the early prototypes for Ocarina of Time the other day. And apparently there was an option to actually like the different medallions that you collect from being the temples. That's actually like magical ammunition for your arrows. So you would have more than just the three elements. So and so what's cool about that is when you get the medallions, the ideas that your power gets expanded upon, but there's no actual gameplay change when you get a medallion. Imagine if they change the games or every time you get a medallion that actually has a magical R that you can imbue into your arrow or outside of it, like dense fire. Yeah, no, I like that. Also, make the controls for the slingshot the same as the bow and breath the wild, right? Because we've never had Ocarina of Time where you have the bow sticks and two shoulder buttons. Yeah, no. I mean, I think that the aiming should definitely be updated. That makes sense. It was actually cool using the the 3DS version using the gyro to aim around. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Nate's distracted. Not sorry. I you guys were having a really Eric. Eric, Eric. No, no, I agree. I was agreeing with everything. I didn't really have anything to add in. So I was just glancing at some of the historic things, with the honest again. I'm so used to be like, all right. I was waiting for the career high. He's doing things that haven't been done in like 40 years. I don't know. It's anyways. Um, no, no, I know. Jake said, you know, actually give you something for the gold and scatula. Yeah, like my brain instantly went to what? A golden scatula turd. Oh, wow. But actually, that is a very. Jake, what would you want as a reward for that? Honestly, costumes, because like I love the cost, like the different outfits. It's a good idea. Yeah, so add more outfits to Ocarina of Time and make some of them exclusive, like some really cool ones exclusive to those, you know, it'd be neat if they added some sort of quest or something that kind of linked Ocarina kind of Majora's Mask a little bit. Like what if there's an additional side quest with the the mass salesman? They kind of hinted at something related to Majora's Mask. Yeah, I like that. I like that. Like what if there's like just like, like imagine something as cool as like there's a district or a quest you could unlock that's like maybe shaper owning him into the woods and that's where you find the mask or something like that. Like that would be would be neat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be really cool. Yeah, I think Easter eggs can actually get like I love that. Yeah, I just want this thing to be real. Like I know part of me like wanting to buy into the quote is like such so much Hopium, but there's a lot of real and Twilight Princess Wind Waker. I think or Jeff Grubb. All right, that's how I look. I actually think when Waker and Twilight Princess were actually ported and at some point they made a decision that the ports that look different enough from the Wii U to that they thought people might complain that bought it on Wii U and because Skyward Sword and this is so great. Things Awakening is so good. It sold six million, but they like know these games, you know, the 3D ones might have a bigger appeal. That they want to wait till they can drop it where it actually looks noticeably different and so wait till switch to where they can go 60 FPS 4K. Yeah. Well, I think there's already some because if that's if that's true, Nate, we might not see the Ocarina remake for a long time because it makes sense for those to be the first ones then they probably have a remake. I don't agree. I think 2025 we're going to see the Ocarina remake. Yeah, we'll see the other ones in 2026 and 2027. So I mean, yeah, if you want to look at that, we already got the Winway, Gracie and Twilight Princess HD. They've already been remastered, right? Like we've already gone through the traditional 3D Zeldas. You know what? You know what we haven't talked about? I know.  And we want to talk about this right now. If this Ocarina time thing is real, yeah. What? It opens the door. Oh, what if they did this? What if they did this crazy thing and they combined them together somehow? Yeah, that would be crazy. I don't think they'll do that. One mega game that would be perfect. But they could get the money of two games as opposed to one. Yeah, even if you get to the other Ocarina time in it, it's a dollar game. It's still more than one. The Chaldea Woods. Listen, man, they're going to they're going to make they're going to remake Ocarina time. It may be like a 40 hour experience. It's going to be great. It's going to be 60 to 70 dollars and then five to six years later after crying about the next other game taking too long, they'll give us Majora's masks or something like five or six years later. So then a new Zelda game is going to drop and we're going to be like, oh, my God, this might be the greatest game ever made another 97 on Metacritic. Yeah, and then it's not going to get game of the year. Yeah, it'll lose it for us. Oh, you know what? Here's the thing. Yeah, Baldur's Gate four is going to come out. We're going to be it's not going to be dollars, get four. Baldur's Gate four is going to be like good. I will say this that good. Oh, I'll say this so random. That's going to be if Baldur's Gate four comes out sooner than three didn't say it does come out around the Zelda again. I don't think it's going to be like this walk. Oh, it Baldur's Gate three was such a it's kind of Breath of the Wild. It was such a shocking game at the time for what it was doing. I don't think that holds up the next time. Still going to hold up the excellent game. It's just not going to be as shocking. Well, I mean, yeah, it's all the game being completely different from what Breath of the Wild here's the kingdom was might be a more shocking at the time might be. You don't know we don't know. I mean, joking aside, right? Like, I don't think about the balance. Get serious is going to get another game of the year for a very, very long time, if ever. It'll be up for it. It kind of just depends because I think the next one's going to still be really, really, really, really, really good. The whole series is always going to make like we're talking when it comes out. Like if it comes on a year where like it takes two is winning. Well, then, yeah, I could win that year. Sure. Timing is a bit timing and how many like this year was packed. Yeah, but just talking gaming in general. What a packed year. But how a year where it takes two wins is just mind blowing to me. It takes two is really good to like it. One of the one and no one even questions like, should it have one?  It's actually I really was. It's excellent. Like, I will never say that game didn't deserve it. It was such an excellent game. Yeah, but I mean, of all, it takes two inches. All right, well, let me ask you this, right? Co-op game of all the games that have one game of the year, the game awards, would you rate it takes two in the top half?  What? How many of the game would it take to without playing? Is that yeah? No, no, no, no. Have you played it takes two? No, I was going. Well, Nate, you know that I played other co-op games. You're a friend of that game. Exactly. Well, obviously, you know, I don't care about my bad. I mean, I'm familiar with the game, but look at all the games that have one game of the year. You're going to tell me that that I enjoy. It takes two more than half of the half of the games of one. Yes. I'm just I'm just thinking about like what most people would think is a better game. And you know that. Well, I was talking about what I think is a better game because that's what only pending in the matters to me. But look, tears of the kingdom lost to spill my game of the year. That's cool. And I have to wear a Boston Southland Jersey in shame. It is what it is. Would you say it takes two is better than Elden Ring? Yes. And me. I can't. So I beat it takes two. I haven't even started. It's better than the last of us. I started Elden Ring. I didn't play enough of it. I haven't played enough of Elden Ring to to honestly give you an opinion. Right now, I'd say it takes two, but I beat it takes two. I haven't. All right. So would you say it's better than the last of us part two? No. OK, I think it's better than Sekiro shower dies twice. Like, yes, but again, I'm souls souls. Warring games aren't really for me, but yet. So, yes, I would have war. The original God of War, I'd say it's pretty on par. I like Ragnarok. I'll be the original new God of War. Yeah, I don't know, honestly. So that one kind of has a special place in my heart, too, because it did lay down. It was the breath of the wild. Two or four God of War. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like that one's tough. I'll call it I want to wash. Breath of the wild. But no. Overwatch. Yes. Yes. Yeah, the Witcher three. I could never finish it. I'd put it above Witcher three and I beat Witcher three and I beat the blood and wine DLC drying age, inquisition. Yes. And I'm a big dragon age. I just went over all the games that have one game. By the way, by saying that, like, I would put it. It was pretty even. That's not me saying these other games. I don't really enjoy it. That's just how good this game is. It is. And part of what we're talking about the very beginning of the show, I was like, I like the game more. It's more because I watch it. Shout out, Joseph Ferris. F the Oscars, man. But like, ironically, he's.  It's more tired of me the way I played it with because I played it with a friend, right? So I probably enjoyed the game more. No, I understand that. Like we mentioned three. I play with a friend. It was really good, right? Like there's a lot of things like that. Yeah. And for a game for a full like what is basically a single player narrative adventure to not be single player is very hard to do. Like, and it's it's as the experience. It's so rare that I don't know. It's definitely deserved it. And I don't know. I'm throwing this out there. Luigi's Mansion 4 is dropping in twenty twenty five. You know, I like it manifesting into existence, but I think it's realistic as well. And that's levels last game was was a strikers. It came out in twenty two. Yeah. And that's and they have they might have multiple teams at this one. We have no idea after Nintendo bottom. No, I mean, as long as we follow the three year interval, which they've clearly had this pattern going since like twenty sixteen, then I would say that's huge. It for them. I would say it's a reasonable expectation. Yeah, probably. I would probably be here, but I kind of it's going to depend on when they announce the system. There's just too many. There's too many options. What do you want to do? Mario Mario Animal Crossing Mario Kart Smash. Like instead of. Remake. What about like Nintendo Land 2 is like Castle or something? Like what? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, you mean we're like he's exploring those instead of a mansion? Yeah. Well, I mean, he sees. So Luigi's Mansion was a mansion the first one. Luigi's Mansion, too, was several mansions. Yeah, three was a hotel. Right. Yeah. So I would actually I would love a castle. Yeah, that would be a good idea. But it could be it could be something. Yeah. Yeah. Now, the thing is Luigi's Mansion three inside the hotel. There's a there's a there's a castle area. There's a jazzy pyramid area. Like they do explore some of the areas. But I just feel like it's kind of been a little reuse one vibe. I before that. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, I before that, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, Luigi's Sex Dungeon. I'm just saying, like and also it's become kind of a big seller for them outside, you know, I don't know if they wanted to come. Hey, Eric, like that one. That was a good one. Well, you want to you want to pace out the big releases, right? Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Nintendo puts out more games every year than any other company.  So I mean, so I'm going to say I'm going to list some games that I think can reasonably come out when the next. Yeah, two. Yeah, the next two and a half years. Two and a half years. Right. Archery Time Remake, 3D Mario, Metroid Prime 4, the Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, some type of smash update. Luigi's Mansion 4. Oh, come on. They might wait on Animal Crossing. Well, I mean, the Animal Crossing is going to be like four years from now. If they'll wait. Are we sure about that? I think they'll make that a mid-gen drop. I mean, maybe. I mean, I just get this feeling because like that's another really like that. Did you say Donkey Kong? No, I haven't. No, you did not. There's going to be other games, Kirby, Donkey Kong. Yeah. I was just trying to think about games that are like the Mega, the Megas, right? Yeah. Dude, you're right. We're trying for my not. That's the only thing we need to do. Currently speaking, I mean, also a Zeno Blade game. That's not in land. Do we need another one? Monolith Soft has a project. You know, if we're talking about quality, Monolith Soft puts up game of the year quality every time. Yeah, Zeno Blade, something. Oh, yeah, Pikmin 5. Probably. I mean, Pikmin 5 probably is I don't know about two and a half years, but maybe three to four. You know, Pikmin 4. Big success for them compared to the fire. And they were already out the gate going right into Pikmin 5 after it. Yeah, it was crazy. They confer like, hey, we're doing Pikmin 5. Wait, what? Yeah, I'm just confirming right now, but you're letting us know. This franchise ain't going anywhere. We're getting another one. Sweet. That was awesome. I usually don't get that kind of confirmation, but I think maybe they wanted to make sure people weren't worried. Well, they have they have something going here. So they, oh, I mean, maybe maybe there's something to the idea of following up sooner than later. So maybe Kirby and the forgotten land to need one. No, I think I think that's that's gone. It's crazy because that to me, that's a big deal. It is not your typical Kirby game. It's maybe that's why there wasn't a Kirby game this. I mean, there was a Kirby game this year, but maybe that's why. As I say, don't forget about that dreamland deluxe. Maybe, but what if there's not a Kirby game next year? They haven't announced anything yet, right? Honestly, Kirby's early. Here's a hot report. The remasters and peach right now.  Kirby literally sucks that. You know, he's right. He's hard. Yeah, he inhales. Yes, yeah, he's the best inhaler of the world. But I kind of like the idea of them skipping a year of Kirby because they're actually just getting forgotten land to ready, because that would be that that's that's where it's at. Kirby also follows. Yes. Oh, we're going to do our last our last let's say this is where you guys can do your super chats, member chats, etc. Get in your questions. So we did this one. So let's go. Let's throw this one up here from basketball. Thank you so much. So what did you guys think of the final wave six DLC carts and characters released last month for Mario Kart 8 deluxe? Arguably one of the greatest DLC packages. Oh, damn. Oh, dude, I was pretty hyped for the characters, actually. Yeah. Full of mission. I haven't played them yet. Bunky Kong in the game. Did he come? Eric's not going to have much to say because he doesn't even know in the game. He's one of he's one of like the five people. Actually, OK, it's half the owners of is Eric on your family plan? No, no. If you're on somebody else's family, yeah, he's he's not paying for the access. You have the DLC for free. You just need to get the actual game. Well, I could get it for a pretty cheap on eBay. No, you use copy for 20 bucks, maybe.  People would just give it away at this point. There's so many copies of it. I bet I bet you I could literally say something in a live stream and someone in the stream would be like, dude, I got like five copies of Mario Kart. You want one of them? You can probably get it for like a live. I'm seeing a cartridge only. You don't care about this is a first party switch game to be clear. Oh, three bucks, 40s. Oh, I see one for twenty one. Did you owe her a card on you? Look, no case. Yeah. No no box. No case. Yeah. Eliminate all the value.  I heard it still works as a Mario Kart DLC. Geez. So I don't have much. So I look, I love what they did with the DLC going in. I haven't played it yet. It's not because I don't plan to. It's because I was going to do it over Christmas vacation with my kids, so I'm just kind of holding on my first experience to play with them here. Oh, apparently, I found this Mario Kart Deluxe that's worth thirty five thousand dollars. Geez, or best offer. Yeah. Any thoughts on the DLC? Play it. No. Um, I actually didn't play it. No, but I was when I saw the characters revealed. I thought that was pretty sick. The characters are. Yeah. Yeah. And they actually they are the only one that played it. I think so. I really hate all of the deals because the tracks are not as high a quality as the base game tracks. I I. So you're not wrong every time. Yeah, you're not wrong, but I really feel like as a DLC has gone on, the quality of the tracks have gone better. There are some brand new tracks. They've added extra things like the boost. Chris Pass really did a great job of kind of subordinate expectations. Like at first, we just promised that we were going to remade tracks, but then we got new tracks. Then we got new modes. Like there's item customization now. They reworked some online stuff. There's a music player now and like they added characters which we didn't see coming either. And the the just having 48 new tracks. Most of them are honestly pretty fun. And a lot of them still look pretty good. Not all of them are measured to the quality of the base game. That is definitely true. But considering that they double the amount of content in the game, or at least the racing part of it. Oh, yeah, for the price. Like it's one of the best deals that Nintendo has ever offered in terms of deals. I mean, it's it's actually I should go back.  Yeah, it's fun. Do you mean if you're you have you have the expansion pack? Mm hmm. Then it's free. I know, I know. But like I said, like when I I got really hyped, like after the first couple waves were released and then none of them bothered me that the quality wasn't as good. But I don't think the quality, the quality. I don't know. It's not it doesn't measure up to the base game. That is, yeah. But it might not be a big deal to me. It might just be fun to get the new content. So it's fun. It's not bad. It's still good, fun, Mario Kart. Like, honestly, I don't even think about the visual disparity. That was definitely a feeling early on. But they even went back and fixed some things. Like there was complaints about like a cold. Yeah, and that's fair. That's fair because I felt that way early on. So, yeah, yeah, they fixed a few things, you know, yeah, it's pretty good. All right. All right, you're you're making me hype for it. Megan Mipe. Chris Lancer says one thing each of you want to see on the new switch. Direct messaging. Boys, boys, boom, boom, all right. All right.  You see you see giant what? The month like you can project it out as like a hologram. Yeah, that's totally. That's Nintendo stuff, but that's Intel's big innovation. Dude, that would be so sick if in the next Pokemon game, when you look in the Pokedex, it like shows you a hologram. Yeah, while you're reading it. Oh, would that be? Yeah, it would be sick. Absolutely no point. Totally dumb. Don't need it. But that would be sick. It would be like a system that is like the ideal like idea of a gimmick, right? Like it's a novel fun idea, but it's definitely like it. But with a lot of their gimmicks one time thing, they like to make them functional as well. Yeah, like actually have a point. Well, I mean, which is a really good gimmick. I feel like the biggest miss was like the Wii U with the game pad or is like, what's kind of the point of this? You know, it's and they tried to prove that the game pad was worth it. Like they had Splatoon, they had Star Fox zero was a bad idea. But they tried. They definitely tried. One thing I want to see, like.  Yeah, what e shop do you have?  Well, you haven't loaded the e shop lately. Oh, oh, oh, oh, well, now that's not the idea. Go find out your code. Come on, everyone. I just got to say this.   Thanks for showing. He's already volunteering. That was almost. He just invited me to what? Why did they keep it clean?  Why could you just use like another word like it's subpar for. So it's common for you to use Andre's Andre's to be fair. Don't you want us to be able to rate? Do you want us to be able to rate games and see ratings?  No, I'm waiting. I'm waiting for for you to turn this into something weird and nasty. But I'm just here to make. But you were the one that did it. That was you in it. You made a joke. You're right, you're right. You brought it up. The thing is, you know, I'm a sponge. I'm a sponge. You made it nasty.  Not for my neck of the woods. I'm just kidding. That's totally. Yeah, like, come on. I've been to your neck of the woods. They were using that term and I agree, though, the e-shop. The e-shop definitely needs some work. We're on the same page there. Yeah, the e-shop. Yeah, there's so many. We can't really say it like I don't call it like it needs a lot. It needs to be completely overhauled. My opinion that there's so many better. There's the digital storefront. I mean, it's a better world music. Give us background music, please. I don't care about that, but I want to be able to suspend. Hold on, Eric.  Yeah, what's your one thing you want to add? Yeah, what's the bomb? Game pass. Oh, he went there. I fit it responsibly, baby. Let's go. Xbox Game Pass or Nintendo version of it. Let's go. Or Nintendo version as well. Yes, one of it. Save me money. I'll just take where we play in 4K. Save me money. Sure. Oh, I just I think I think for me, I just think I don't really want to spend $15 a month on Game Pass. Yes, but it's a heck of a deal. Well, I think about this. If it was a Nintendo Game Pass, I got to pay for Nintendo games anymore.  And I buy way more than two. Nintendo would lose money. Yeah, Nintendo's not going to do it. But I will take Xbox Game Pass all day. I might. Well, I think I think Nintendo would still lose money then because I don't think so. Party. Now, it would be it would be a specialized version for them. Like if we're just talking about Microsoft games. Yeah, it'd be a specialized version for them. And it wouldn't also 15 dollars would be a ripoff. But, you know, you get the access to the entire back library of Xbox. I don't know about that. I don't know how it's a ripoff. It's kind of a good deal. As an Xbox subscriber. It's a good deal. Metro, we haven't played before. Yeah, oh, we've gone later. Which two should have VR says Metroid Fighter? You don't have to match my stream from yesterday. It's just it's not efficient. The questions come in and they're paying. It might be one. Which one has VR? So that's not like what do you mean by that? Well, how about we are dedicated, dedicated, better, high quality VR? Yeah. I would like to not have to hold it with my hands to keep it connected to my face. That'd be great. Dude, I think Nintendo was burned so much. Probably. Yeah, I'm turning up the chat here. I'm just about 50 dollars in Super Chat. So I'm like, all right, we got to have a closing shot. Woo. Get the balloons popping, everyone. Get it out. Get it out. Hey. I don't want to come off of the air. Because I was doing mine, probably. No, you can do it at the same time. We did it before. Anyway, dude, why does your balloon stutter, Nate? But Eric's are smooth. Oh, it's because his was his was going first. See how smooth it is now. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, when it's trying to do both at once, one of them stutters. And here it goes. I have the same problem. Sorry. Anyways, I switched.  That'd be cool. You didn't know what that could have meant, but it just didn't sound good. Yeah, right. Look, things crossed my mind that shouldn't have crossed my mind. I'm just going to leave it at that. Because you're already nasty enough, Jake. We don't need to add to it. Well, hey, hey, language. He's keeping it clean. He stopped keeping it clean like an hour ago, maybe an hour and a half ago. I just restarted what got him to stop keeping it clean. Anders was the one going. Hey, you tricked me. You tricked me. Jake was going so good for a while. I just secretly like it. No, no, he hasn't. He probably does. But here's the thing. I'm just you know, it was it was so clean for so long. I'm just like, this doesn't feel right. No, that's what it was. There's openings that Nate and Jake would totally be taking that they're not. I got it that they were feeling. I mean, I got it. Like, I got it. Someone got the role.  That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I will fight.  I will fight for you. Oh, all right. All right. How do you feel? Not really. We're going to wrap the show there before we do. I do want to shut out the switch because it did pass the Xbox 360 and sales. What's the switch? Yeah. Pass the Xbox 360 like years ago. What then?  What are you? Whatever website you read that from, I debated you, bro. You might have baited you, bro. 360 every and break on your software sales. Is it software sales? Let me look it again. Because hardware sales, I mean, that we're like three years back. And that was fast. Wait, 360 came in third place. U.S. So it was 80 plus million. You ask. OK, I missed that part. Specifically, the United States. It passed it. And that makes sense. Yeah. Sorry, I missed the U.S. part of it. Yeah, that's like where a majority of Xbox sales are. It's the U.S. Yeah. Yeah, you got to clarify there. You just said lifetime. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. So the switch has become a better seller in North America than 360. The best selling Xbox ever. Yeah. Big deal. Huge. It is. But also the market's bigger now. So. Is it? That is a statistic that no one besides like I want to challenge it. The market actually. Let's think about this for a moment. Is it actually bigger? Every year is a new generation of gamers that buy games. Sure. And every year there's people who quit playing games. They come back. Yeah, but we. But as we come back, but as a society, we there's more people being born than dying. So the net it's a net positive. We live in a society. There's never been a society. No, I think it's a relatively new trend in in like in society. I hear you. A lot of people are dying. It's not like you're going to include mobile phones. I'm going to agree with you. Gaming is bigger than it's ever been. Console gaming hasn't really grown. And we have the sales number and the data to prove it. It hasn't. No, no, it has. It's a software. What it has. It has not through hardware sales, but through software sales. How? Because we they sell more software now than ever back back in the DS. We 360 PlayStation 3 era, more software sold than any other era of gaming. Dude, the switch has has sold more software than any of those that you just named. Combine. We're talking about the whole game industry. Now, this is a whole industry that you got to combine all that software sales together. I'm pretty sure you combine switch PS4 and Xbox and they've sold more software than those things. No, thanks. Those units, the DS, the DS almost sold a bill that we almost sold the bill. And then obviously you had the PS3, I think had. All right. So you were a bill. Are you ready to go in that? That's right. Yeah. But give us the fact on. I'm a screen share. I love it. It actually means there for this to be an actual other topic, but I just thought it was was cool. There you go. Hey, when you misquoted it. Yeah, I know what happens.  I can't even read that. Hold on. I got a full screen over here. I actually see it. I can't either. Yeah, right. I literally can't dream. All right. OK, make it bigger. Well, what's the hybrid console switch? Well, you just tell me what this means. I don't even know what I'm looking at. This is this is gaming. This is this is console gaming revenue. This is just revenue though. Games are more expensive and there's micro transactions. What are we talking about? Actually, they're not really more expensive. Have you seen how much money GTA 5 made compared to GTA 4? Yeah, but they were post $60. Yes, but GTA 4 didn't have an online multiplayer with shitloads of micro transactions. Yeah, the revenue is way higher today than it ever used to be. But to be fair, I'm talking about the number of people actually playing. Also, P3 launched at six hundred dollars. So it's growth, right? So to be fair, it's technically correct. I'm not talking about revenue guys. I'm talking about the total amount of people playing dedicated game consoles. Yes, but to be fair, but to be fair, growth could be either one. So it doesn't matter what you're talking about. What we said was growth and this is a form of growth. I mean, if there's a clear. That's not what I said. It was based off what I said, which I said that it hasn't grown in terms of the number of people playing. This doesn't just I did that. This just means companies are more profitable than ever. I don't care about volume, then. Oh, look, this is volume. I don't know. I don't know.  Yeah, I don't know what that means, like sales, like people who bought the game consoles. I'm seeing a pretty flat curve there. I'm okay. Four point forty three is less than sixty three. I just thought I don't really know what to tell you there. OK, these are projections, by the way. Yeah, I know those are projections. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if volume means there. What website is this? Is this that statistical website? Yeah, it's a sticker. OK, and what are they based their stats on? Like, where do they get the information from? Source, so just the market. I know they're really that that website's really bad about giving actual information on where they get their stuff from. So they're their own source. Well, yeah, that's me, bro. Yeah, right, because, you know, it's not like MPD gives out numbers. They don't. Who's your source, me? Just trust me. Yeah, yeah, because we don't have a lot of the raw numbers. The only numbers we have for sure are the ones that come out. Shit, when did you get here, man? Well, so I'll say this, though, I'm looking this up. The gaming console market size currently is valued at a parent according to this seventy eight thousand eight hundred eighty million. And so I'm now curious what that would be in what what year do we want to pick for the prior generation? Twenty was what, twenty eleven? Is that what we want to pick? Is that a good year? Sure, sure. Right. I want I want to say what I literally said. Game companies make more money today than they ever did back then. But that's because they've created more revenue streams within their. Sure, right. But but I just said gaming get the game console market size like like a little console. Market size is unit sales, not revenue. Like market size is literally people playing. Like how many people are actually playing games? There are more people today playing games, by the way, than any other point in human history. But it's because this market here. Why aren't you producing numbers? Drawing. I've already had this and looked up all the stats before. Like the fact is less than there was in the past. So the way it is like Nintendo is crushing it, Sony is crushing it, but Xbox isn't doing well. Their market's almost gone and there's no other extra market from Nintendo now. It's all one system. Sweet. Yeah, I give you an example. Nintendo alone at two hundred and fifty million console sales with we in the S two hundred and fifty mill on their own, not counting Sony or Xbox. Just throw it out. Honestly, that DS and PSP market is now mobile phones. So just to discredit them so easily is like, I feel like I'm saying the market. You're going to discredit mobile phones. You can't count. I'm not discrediting them. I said, if we want to count them, the market's bigger than ever. But I said, dedicated gaming device market. If you count, if you count handheld, you have to count mobile. You don't have to count mobile, but then you can't I said, dedicated gaming market. The dedicated, the products are only built for playing games. I understand that. Because you have to realize we live in a different time. So even though they were dedicated and phone is technically not, that has still replaced that. That's my point. I said the market we are currently playing video games in on these systems. Has shrunk because it's shifted over to this, which is not the same thing. I love games on here. It's not the same thing. Yeah. All right. I don't agree with you, but that's I understand what you're saying. I defend your right to say it. Well, do you think gaming is the same on a phone? I agree. I think it's like you. I think in 2023, it's the equivalent of what a handheld dedicated system was for some people back in like two thousand five question. Maybe this would be sure a good way to handle. I mean, it looks like it's complicated because like generations aren't as clear cut now because like the switch we use through everything off. Yeah. But so let's say what's that? So the total lifetime to the 360 is eighty four million, right? And then P is three is eighty seven. Let's it's a round to eighty seven. Yeah. And then the we was like one hundred and one. I remember correctly. Yeah, it was one hundred and one. It rounds up to one to one or two. So if I'm rounding PS3 down, I should round that one up. That makes sense. All right. So plus one or two. And so that's so of those three systems about two hundred seventy three million they sold. All right. So then what should I include for to give us a good because obviously we're in the middle of the generations for. I mean, it's it's just kind of weird because obviously for PS5 and so like I would for now I would go with market. We know which is what we like switch PS4. OK, all right. So two seventy three hundred. This market we don't they don't have sales data on the thing is switch and PS4 are still selling, right? PS4 is obviously slowing down. But PS4 currently looks like it's at one hundred and seventeen if I round down, right? Switch is currently according to this one thirty five will be rounding down. But it's almost it's almost halfway, but a little ball at one plus one thirty two. And then Xbox one. Yeah, right. Plus fifty eight. So that's three oh seven, which is a higher number. That's not a higher number. What are you talking about? You include DS one hundred and fifty million. OK, so that was a dedicated one. OK, well then. So we would have to count we would have to count DS and PSP. Yeah, that's that's valid. Now, that was my point is like the dedicated gaming market. And I get that a lot of the handle gamers shifted over to phones. But think about what they should do. We should also add three DS and Wii U, right? Sure.  But the phones today are more powerful than switch. No, I don't really understand. Yeah, I know. But I'm saying. There's there's no need for handhelds that have inferior games than console games anymore. There used to be you couldn't get that quality in handheld form. So they would make it why are we getting the switch to then that is inferior to consoles? It can still play console level games. Some not all. OK. But if there's no console, I know there's no need that for them to play like to make everything like. I just thought if you can. And yeah, that generation has has more sales just DSP numbers, right? But. It is like there are angles to this, right? Like revenue. But the revenue is so different today because now we have all the subscription services, micro transactions. I mean, look at what look at what FIFA makes today compared to 2002. Like it is insanely amount of revenue it makes. It doesn't mean the sales are any better. It's just the same players forking over more money to play the same game. That's why I like when we hear old games are cheaper. Yeah, inflation games also are now charging us money for costumes that you never had to pay for back in the 90s. You didn't pay money to gain access to a hat. We didn't have loot boxes. We didn't have season passes like they have subsidized the lack of inflation hitting the game prices, which we did just go up to $10 for other sources of revenue that are proven to actually be significantly more profitable. That's why the profit margins are so much. That's why mobile phone games are free to play, free to play, free to play because all those micro transactions and everything are so much more loopy. I think I want to point out, though, that I counted the amount of people that bought systems for from time to time, right? Shout out to Nintendo for not forcing them. Let's point out there's also there's a lot of double dipping, right? Like just because someone buys a system that doesn't mean that's that's one person per system, right? So that doesn't necessarily tell us the amount of people. Yeah, yeah, I know. There's not really an accurate way to know like I own multiple switches and like there's no really. They're like most of the time to buy DS, I do we, right? Yeah, we just have the data and we can't like make assumptions. Like we can make assumptions, but we can't. You know what I mean? Like it's I mean, more people exist now. And I don't want people that had a DS, but then the family had a we, but all the kids had a DS. Like how do you count that? I don't know how do you? I don't know. Like that's why I said I just go up the raw data because it's too hard to make assumptions on things. But it really matters. And I'm asking the industry is not healthy. Obviously, switch selling what it did. PlayStation is still really, really popular. I do think the industry is hitting a point, though, where for dedicated platforms only two can survive. Well, Xbox is making that an easy one. Well, Xbox is Xbox for starters only really had one good generation. But besides that, they are going to service route where they want game pass on everything. And I think the key thing for them is going to be if they can somehow capture this market and get people to play streaming on their phones. Well, with those new I try and I don't know if they're going to but if they can crack into that market, they're already getting into the smart TV market. I don't know if people know all the like the top end smart TVs come now with the Xbox streaming app installed. Sure. I would say that it's tough with phones because most people have a phone don't want to waste their battery playing, you know, a high fidelity game. I don't. I don't think people really think about it until their phone. Well, I mean, the thing is, I think most people aren't thinking. I mean, I'm not saying there aren't people who would do it. Obviously, there are. Obviously, there is an audience that does play like the higher fidelity games on phones because they do it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Some people do that. But is that a solid game? Is that a big, big audience? I don't know. I mean, the big we already know, like, well, it's bigger than zero, which is what it was. Yeah. Well, that's true. Yeah. And that's why I focus on the dedicated gaming space because I've always been in the dedicated gaming space and I play games on my phone. And I have always said this is a legitimate gaming device. So are your tablets? But it's just is that all you're using it for? If you're a kid, that might be all you're using it for. My kids don't use their tablets for anything but playing games. All they do. Roblox is an example, a massive game with children. Yeah. Minecraft, like that's what they're doing on these things. But as they get older, that often changes as they get more into social media and other things. So just me thinking about Xbox becoming more of like a streaming service moving forward, like we touched on like, you know, Eric touched on like Game Pass coming to Switch, right? Like I can envision that if it was kind of like mostly Xbox only. And that kind of makes sense, right? Like if they eventually kind of go away from, you know, like. Wait, I was going to say to Rack Shit that I've literally just spent this entire segment agreeing with Andres and then saying fair point to so many things Nate has said. And he said, stop arguing like a kid.  No, you have a little point. Oh, I don't like insulting the audience. I don't know who you are.  Yeah, it's literally his name. I just want to say your parents named you that, you know, you can legally change your name. Rack Shit. And this is a username on the Internet. It can be anything. And you don't even have a profile picture. And it might just be his name. I feel like this might be a troll because if you actually pay attention, Jake's been very kind to both of us. He's disagreed at different point. But he's also like, actually, that's a good point. Like that's like he's seen in how there's an argument. Well, this isn't even like a typical Andres vs. Nathan. Sometimes we get really heated. Like this is nothing. We're basically like, hey, there are good points both ways. It's just it's sort of an irrelevant point. Is the gaming market bigger than seven? We're just kind of talking. Yeah, we're just kind of a discussion. Honestly, I really, I really matter. Like this isn't, but this isn't like something that matters. You know, like if it was something that mattered, we'd be more heated. Like we're talking to a Metro Prime for release timing or something. And I'm like, yeah, I feel like when I see comments like that, like, do you think we hate each other? Like, yeah, no, because we do, but we're definitely like not friends or anything. Yeah, I totally get these guys to come on my show for free while I'm making money through super chats and they're just like three. It's been three and a half hours as soon as we end the show. They're like, I'm not coming on next week. And then I'm literally on my hands and knees. I'm trying to get to something like that. Oh, my God. Well, I don't know what you're talking about. Well, I'm just heating the meat. That's all it was.   I actually was going to wear a black shirt, but I kind of figured you might. So I had to mix it up. You know, it's so good with the salmon.    Is there a comment about pepperoni in it? OK, guys, we didn't go there. When do we end the stream? I've been trying to do it for a bit. I immediately regretted my decision to bring that up. I don't think we need an outro, guys. I think that was the outro. All right, we're going to go around the room. Anything you want to talk about? You got upcoming content where they can find you? Our mods got the links and all that. They can grab it from the description. Honestly, sir, you got anything coming up? You want people to know about? I'm probably talking about switch to tomorrow. Oh, you're finally going to talk about the rumors. Hell, yeah, maybe I'm so excited. I really want to see. I know I get to talk to them all the time and have on the podcast, talk behind the scenes. But his videos, he always brings up stuff he didn't quite mention. And I love it. You always hold a little something in there. Yeah, never. You have to keep it guessing. It's not.  Eric thinks I think of them sometimes. I know you are here. I'm here. At least I didn't lose to you this year. There is that. But technically, last time we did a bet, you won as well. I'm not like over three of the last three bets. By the way, oh, I said I was going to mention the speaking of bets on the stream last night. I said I was so confident that she was coming in 2024. I bet my YouTube channel on it. But no one took the bet. So technically, I don't know if I want to make this an open-ended bet, because if Jake might come in and be like, hey, if I win this bet, look, I mentioned this in my video today. I was like, gosh, you know, if Jake took the bet, I don't think he'd fire me. No, dude, I wouldn't. I would never be able to tell Nate what to do. I'm going to go to him and be like, look, I'm going to make a switch to video today. Like, no, you're not. We're going to talk about the portal today.  Dude, I'm sorry. You're going to turn me into a Pokemon channel. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I think his name is pronounced Rack Sheet. That would make sense. And I am so sorry, bro, because I wasn't trying to tell you.  No, for starters, he took everything as a joke. Kudos to him. Yeah, I know. I get you out of the way of it as a little Rack Sheet.  You got me. You did it. You you missed in a conflict. Gotcha. Gotcha. For once, it wasn't me. All right. I was just by the way.  Nate, I have a bone to pick. You know what? There was a balance. It was a balance. Everyone's calling you so sexy. Yeah, dude. Everyone was being so nice to me earlier. Honestly, he's got a bonus. What's going on? Not a bonus. A bone. Pause. Well, that's even worse. He's got a bone. Yeah, it is. But but I honestly, I have a problem with you wagering your YouTube channel. I just it just I just think this is dumb. Like, isn't your YouTube channel? No one, no one. Oh, listen, tell me, tell me, tell me I'm wrong. But outside of your family's your YouTube channel, not literally the most important thing in your life. No. I can't talk about the thing that's more important because we don't talk about it on my channel. Well, that's more important than your thing. We don't talk about religion on my channel. Oh, OK, OK, OK, OK, all right. Outside of family and religion is YouTube not the most important thing in your life.  Despair up there. Like it's your it's your it's your it's your career. It's your life's sustenance. I believe in your passion. Like it's not that I can't work anywhere else. But this is your dream. It is my dream and I'm not quite there yet. But sure. But the thing is, if you lose your YouTube channel, I lose my I lose what I'm passionate about. I get it. Like I just don't think you should I'll say this is a part of your YouTube channel. But here's the thing and I love my YouTube channel. But there's also a part of me that because maybe that's just because I'm older now. Like when I lost Zeldin former, I was devastated. Would I be devastated if I lost my YouTube channel? I think for a moment, I'd be very sad. And then as I get a different career path and I start to realize, oh, now I have time to play video games, I get to re pick up the passion that started this channel in the first place. I played $500 a switch this year. That's the lowest amount of time I have spent playing my switch. Because I was too busy doing content full time for the first time in my life. Yeah.  What was even the bet? I forget. Oh, why would I bet the channel? Because switch is coming out in 2024. And whoever took the bet would have to pay me something equally valuable. Yeah.  Like, but I'm saying my channel isn't just like a throwaway 5000. What would they have to give if they lose? They would have to be something equally valuable. I don't know what that is to them. What monetary value would you give that cash? Yeah. Well, you want to do cash value. How much would you say? Yeah, what's that? That's the thing I wanted to give cash. What's my channel for? What's the reasonable price? Unless honestly, that might be a little too much to ask. You don't have to, you don't have to reveal that. No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, we're not asking to tell us how much he makes. We're asking. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's too difficult. Like cash value. Like if I was to sell my channel, like what would I actually sell it for? Because you got to think about its potential, right? Like I think that's. Yeah, I got it. I got to remember the channel is me and I already know the value after I sell it's going to sink for the buyer. But that's not what I'm worried about. I'm worried about what the channel of value is to me in the future. And I just kept it. Right. And where it's going. I'd probably be willing to sell it for 10 mil. Jesus. That's not even. Basically, you expect people to take a bet. That if the switch releases in 2024 and but you'll give them your YouTube channel for releases 2025. And you're surprised that no one's taken that bet. I didn't think anyone would take the bet. That's the point. It was just a ridiculous statement that no one was ever going to take. And no one did take it. Because no one wants to put 10 million dollars up on it. Sam West. Yes. Yes. I built this channel from the ground up. And I'm so proud. Just to bet my channel.  That's confidence. Do you not understand? Like I bet my channel that the switch comes out in 2024 for 10 million dollars. I'm not worried about it. It was a it was a bet with insider information. I did insider trading. It wasn't a risk for me. It's common 2024. I literally already said this in a video. I have no one like Carl Jobs to watch that that statement. Insider trading. It was a very valuable bet. All right. So hypothetically speaking, if you were to make that bet and then tomorrow there's a virus outbreak, we literally have a real life zombie apocalypse. And the money and money in my YouTube channel doesn't matter then. It won't even matter anymore at that point. YouTube won't even matter. No, but someone's going to write you a letter. Internet was just like this. Someone's going to write you a letter because we're going to get access to technology and satellites and they're like, hey, you owe me your channel. Yeah. There's a zombie apocalypse, but the postal service still works. Yeah, sorry. Look, you can have the login to my channel. YouTube doesn't exist anymore. But here you go. Have this useless. Yeah, here's a login. Yeah, here's a login for the Internet that doesn't work. My bad. You want my old router while you're at it? I'll give you that too. Or what you could do. Router? I hardly know where. You probably could break into Nintendo headquarters, find a switch to prototype and send them that instead. And be like, here it is. It existed. I think someone else probably would have broken and done that before I even get to the internet. That's probably a warehouse somewhere. Well, that's your opinion. It is. All of this is. Anyways, it's just called confidence. Confidence of a man going zero for three. I love it, right? It's irrational. I love it. I have never thought. But no one took the broken clock is right twice today. It's irrelevant. It's irrelevant. Nobody took the bet. So there is no bet. It's not a big deal. So then at this point, Jake, what do you got going on? For what? Oh, you can find me. You can find me on YouTube, Jake Randall. Find me on Twitter slash X. Same thing. I'm going to release a PlayStation portal video eventually. But that's it. I'll keep it short. Yeah. And he's secretly plotting the next bet. He knows he's going to dominate me at. I don't know, dude. I'm not a plotter. I'm not in the moment, guy. You know me. Yeah. And you're very good at reading the moment. I have to learn to bet better against you. Yeah. It's all right. You see now. Now I'm like, I feel like you're going to beat me in the next one now. Yeah. You should bet on the next buck's health in this game. Oh, that's a good bet. Is that Milwaukee? I think the next one's at Milwaukee. I'm not sure. Oh, yeah. Celtics are taking that. Pretty sure. Vegas thoughts would definitely have Boston winnings. No, our chemistry is getting so much better. Thank you for Drew. Yeah, Boston is getting pretty scary. Oh, that's what you say today.  He does the intangibles, man. Even when the stat line's not there, he's all over the court on both ends. Oh, I know. I know what Drew is. Yeah. But when you have to rely on him to score a late in the playoffs because Tayden doesn't know how to show up, it is what it is. We have Porzingis, White, Brown, we've got plenty. Gray, green. Yeah, keep bringing up guys that keep getting injured. All right. You got Purple coming off the bench, right? Dude, White and Brown are both really good. We don't have green anymore. We did for a long time. All right, all right, all right, all right, guys. Thank you so much for tuning in to the Ten of Pride podcast. You hear us everywhere podcast. I heard we're trying to get all the audio versions up. If we don't, it's my own fault because I can send them to you. So you can send them to me, but that's not uploaded. I know. And the funny thing is he sent it while he has access to upload. Yeah. I didn't want to pay him. I don't pay him. I don't pay him. This is volunteer. All right. Just thank you for doing the work. Yeah.  You also weren't here. So I would have had to prompt you. Hey, I love, I love you chat. Thanks for being nice mostly. And Rack Street, I'm sorry I said your name wrong and I had fun. All right. Catch you guys next week for episode 31. And then, oh my gosh, we're actually going to not miss a week. I just realized we're actually going to have an episode every week. We're going to hit 52 weeks. Hey, really?  We didn't miss a single week. Even the week I was gone because you filled in for me too. Oh, thanks man. Awesome. Never forget. Never forget. Journey. It's not two weeks left. Let's do what happens. That zombie apocalypse. I could die in the next two weeks. Yeah. I could die. We have, oh by the way, I just want to tell us that we do have Josie Wolk coming on next week. Those remember who she is. I don't know if you know, but hey, we have someone coming on next week. Full creator. It's going to be a good time. Later guys.


This episode of HCC 788 brought to you in part by the Dicast Enterprise. Join us each week as we discuss the sexual proclivities of Commander William T. Riker. The bravado comedy of Lieutenant War. And the adorable monkey shines if one Wesley the sweater crusher. Or maybe we'll just talk about the golden girls. Or hairstyles. Or cartoons. That's equally likely. We also like G.I. Joe. There, we tied that in nicely. Well done everyone on that. By all our play sets and toys. The Hood and Corporate Commander 788 here. It's time for another vintage G.I. Joe toy review. And this time I wanted to do something with a winter theme. It is December, it's getting close to Christmas. I don't normally do seasonal theme videos. But this week I wanted to look at G.I. Joe's snow trooper, iceberg. So why not get in the spirit of it? I wanted to look at iceberg out here in the chilly December air. It is really cold out here. This was a bad idea. You know, I planned this iceberg review months ago. Hoping that in December we might have snow for our snow trooper. But we don't have snow. All we have is cold. It's not that we never get snow. We just don't get very much of it. I think it would be fun to shoot a video in a winter wonderland. But it's not very dramatic to shoot outdoors when all we've got is cold and gray skies. So we'll have to improvise. It is December and for December we have a snow trooper. And this is not one that gets requested very often. And I'm not sure that iceberg really has much of a fan following. But we're trying to review everything here on this channel. So let's take a look at the 1986 snow trooper iceberg. This is iceberg G.I. Joe's snow trooper from 1986. He was first available in 1986 and was also available in 1987. He was discontinued for the year 1988. He was briefly available in 1991 through a mail away offer. Iceberg had a replacement in 1988, Blizzard. Here's the lineup of G.I. Joe's Arctic troopers through the 1980s. You started with snow job in 1983. Then you had Frostbite in 1985 and he was the driver of the snow cat. In 1986 you had Iceberg. In 1987 you had Avalanche and he was part of Battle Force 2000. In 1988 you had Blizzard. And also in 1988 you had the second version of Frostbite. But I don't know if you would still consider him to be an Arctic trooper. He was no longer colored for a snowy environment. He had those wild and crazy Tiger Force colors. 1989 you had Stalker version 2. Also in 1989 you had Windchill who was the driver of the Arctic blast. In 1993 there was a second version of Iceberg and let's not look too closely at the second version of Iceberg. He will get his own review someday in the future, in the far, far distant future. Let's take a look at Iceberg's accessory and he came with only one. This very long machine gun which the card contents call an XM-60E3 7.62 millimeter machine gun. The X in the designation implies that this is an experimental version of the M60E3 machine gun. The M60E3 is a variant of the familiar M60. This variant was introduced in 1986. The same year Iceberg was released it is a 7.62 millimeter gun like Iceberg's. The real M60E3 I think looks very little like Iceberg's machine gun. I think Iceberg's machine gun looks a little bit like the laser rifle that came with the Kenner Star Wars IG-88 figure. There is an accessory pack version of this machine gun and it's done in a gray color and that's actually a pretty good color for it. I still think the machine gun looks a little bit stretched out a little bit too long and skinny but the color is not bad. If you wanted to give Iceberg the accessory pack machine gun just to break up the lighter colors it really doesn't look too bad. Overall I don't think this is a great accessory. The machine gun is just a little too long. It looks a bit skinny. If it had been beefed up a little bit, if it had been a little bit more substantial that might have helped. Also maybe if Iceberg had been sculpted with like ammunition belts or something like that that may have helped it. But as it is it's really not my favorite accessory at all. He also came with only one accessory. Compare that with Snowjob from 1983. Snowjob came with a ton of snow related accessories. Including skis and ski poles. It really makes Iceberg's machine gun seem underwhelming. Let's take a look at the articulation on Iceberg. He had the standard articulation for 1986 figures. That means he could turn his head from left to right and look up and down. He could swing his arm up at the shoulder and swivel at the shoulder all the way around. He had a hinge at the elbow so he could move at the elbow about 90 degrees. He had a swivel at the bicep. He could swivel his arm all the way around. The figure was held together with a rubber o-ring that looped around the inside so he could move at the torso a bit. He could move his legs apart about so far. He could move his leg at the hip about 90 degrees and he could bend at the knee about 90 degrees. Let's look at the sculpt to design and color of Iceberg starting with his head. He is African American with a white cap and green goggles. It's a pretty basic head sculpt but it's adequate. On his chest he has a light blue vest with some zippers. He has green straps that go all the way around. He has grenades. It looks like a fragmentation grenade and a smoke grenade maybe. Then he has a green pistol and a white holster. One thing that I think is funny is that it looks like they've tried to sculpt a fur lining for the pistol. Even in the card art it looks like he has a furry pistol. For some reason I just find that funny. It looks like a pistol cozy. You know how the song goes. Happiness is a warm gun. His arms are white and he has some texture pattern. It looks like these are supposed to be furry sleeves. He has some dark green gloves. I do like the contrast of the dark green with the white. I think that looks really good. Then he has this patch here on his right arm. It looks like a red circle with three wavy lines. If I'm not mistaken this is the unit insignia of the Greenland Base Command. I believe this is outdated. I think this is a World War II era unit patch. His waist piece continues that light blue vest. He has a white belt with a green buckle. Some pretty good detail all the way around. His legs are white. He has a stripe down his right leg. He has some sculpted zippers. Those may be hard to see. They are white on white. Then on his left leg he has a green knife in a sheath. He has a little sculpted on buckle there.  He has dark green straps on the boots. Otherwise the boots are pretty plain. That's okay for a snow trooper. Let's take a look at the card on which Iceberg was packaged. I have the full card back this time. I don't usually have that so that's nice. We can really see the card artwork. It looks pretty good. Pretty accurate to the toys. He's got his machine gun there. Then we flip it around and we see the cross cell. Of course we have Iceberg's file card. On his file card we have his faction and we have a portrait of Iceberg. It has his code name as Iceberg and he is the snow trooper. It's a little known fact that Iceberg gets his code name from a famous Iceberg. The Iceberg that sunk the Titanic. Not really. It's just kind of a plain figure in personality. So I'm just trying to give him something. His primary military specialty is infantry. His secondary military specialty is cold weather survival instructor. His birthplace is Brownsville, Texas. And that actually is kind of important to his background. This top section says Iceberg hates hot weather. In Brownsville in the summer you can spit on the sidewalk and watch it sizzle. While other kids were setting up for bicycles, Iceberg saved up for an air conditioner. When he was old enough to enlist, he signed up and asked for duty in Alaska. He had found his element. Qualified expert M16A2, M79, M60 and M1911A1. This bottom section has a quote. It says, We have plenty of cold weather specialists that can stand the cold well enough, but very few that like it. Iceberg's just not happy until the mercury dips below zero. This is not to say he's unaware of the dangers of cold weather or that he is impervious to the lethal effects of hypothermia. Rather, his love for ultra cold climates has forced him to learn every aspect of Arctic survival. Can Iceberg really stand the cold? I've had Iceberg in my freezer for 12 hours. Let's see how well he held up. Well, look at that. He's just fine. This file card includes a trope that is common in a lot of GI Joe file cards. And that is the character either has a natural affinity for his specialty or a natural aversion to it. You see that in a lot of GI Joe file cards. It's okay. It's not the worst. Iceberg was underutilized in GI Joe media. He appeared a few times in the cartoon series, but not many. He was given a slight Jamaican accent, which I think is an interesting choice. It does add to the cultural diversity of the team, but there's nothing in his file card to indicate that he's from Jamaica. It says he was born in Texas, but his parents could be from Jamaica. They may have emigrated to Texas. That does happen. In one episode that focused on him, Dr. Meinbender turned him into an orca whale. It was a very strange episode. It's one of the weirdest episodes in a series that had plenty of weird episodes. In the GI Joe comic book series, he first appeared in issue number 68, but he didn't have much impact on the story. They didn't give him very much to do. He appeared again in issue number 72, but he was mainly there to provide exposition. Again, not a great role for him. Iceberg's real moment to shine was in GI Joe's special missions, issues number 14 and 15. In those issues, he had a lot more to do. He got to fly a plane and climb a mountain. He was a more integral part of the story. I reread these issues of special missions to prepare for this review. I hadn't read them since they first came out, so I needed to refresh my memory. I have to say, I was blown away by these two issues. Some readers may consider them to be too cerebral. There is a lot of dialogue and plot, but I don't mind that so much. It's a remarkably sophisticated story, and I consider this to be GI Joe writing at its very best. One of my favorite parts of this special missions story is when Scarlet acknowledges that Alpine is the world-class mountain climber of the team. Thank you, Scarlet. Looking at Iceberg overall, I would call this a middle-tier figure. I mean, it's not bad, but the figure itself is okay. The sculpting is fine. I think it's pretty well done. But it's just kind of a plain figure with one plain accessory. If the figure had had more accessories that fit his specialty, that really may have helped it. I have to admit, arctic troopers don't really excite me very much, and that may have to do with just where I'm from. Now, we do get snow, just not a lot of it. And when I was a kid and we got a good snowfall, I usually wasn't playing outside with my Joes. I was usually out building snowmen and throwing snowballs. I get the impression, though, that kids who were from colder climates that get more snow may have liked these arctic troopers more. And that's what I'd really like to explore with Iceberg. This idea that there were regional preferences for different types of Joes. Did kids who grew up in the desert like Dusty more? Did kids who grew up maybe farther north where there's more snowfall, did they like the arctic troopers more? That's the question that I want to put to viewers. If you grew up in a region that favored certain GI Joes specialties, did you prefer those figures? I mean, did you like to take your arctic figures out to play in the snow, or your desert figures out to play in the sand? Did the world outside your house factor into your toy preferences? I have to say, I kind of did. I preferred the jungle troopers and the camouflage figures. We had grassy backyards with lots of trees and they were perfect for those types of figures. That's all I can think of to say about Iceberg. He has a type of lettuce named after him and sometimes I like a salad. Next week's review, though, will be the last review of this year. And it will be a figure that I did have a great connection to as a child. I've been looking forward to doing this one for a while. And just to let you know, the last video of this year will be another Q&A video. Now, I'll post a video explaining how to participate in the Q&A. I'll do that a bit later. But just to let you know, like last year, the last video of 2016 will be a Q&A. I've already put together some of my plans for next year and I gotta tell you guys, 2017 is going to be a very big year and I want every one of you to be a part of it. If you would like to be more part of it and if you would like to help out, there are some basic things that you can do. First of all, make sure you like this video on YouTube and subscribe to the YouTube channel. Like me on Facebook, follow me on Twitter and support this channel on Patreon. Don't forget to check the website, hcc788.com. This video will be on it along with all my other reviews and photos. One more review before Christmas. I hope your holiday season is peaceful and happy. Thank you for watching. I'll see you next week. And remember, until then, only GI Joe is GI Joe.


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