We are recording. Okay. Good afternoon. This is the initial meeting of the finance committee. After reappointments have just been done. It is January 23rd, 2024. Open meeting law allows us to continue holding meetings remotely without a form of the committee physically present. And in the meantime, however, the finance committee meetings continue to make. Be accessible through. Amherst media by zoom by phone. And they are regularly broadcast. We now have a form of account of the finance committee present. And so I'm calling the meeting to order at. I'm going to ask each of you to confirm that you can hear us and we can hear you. When I call your name, please. Say it present. And then we'll go on to the next person. Counselor Hanna key. Present. Bob Higner. Kathy Shane. I'm calling the meeting to order at two up to one. I'm going to ask each of you to confirm that you can hear us and we can hear you when I call your name. I'm calling the meeting to order at two up to one. I'm calling the meeting to order at two up to one. I'm calling the meeting to order at two up to one. I'm calling the meeting to order at two up to one. I'm calling the meeting. I'm here. Andy Steinberg. Present. Counselor Walker is still not here. Bernie Kubiak. Present. Matt Holloway. Present. Great. And I'd like to welcome our town manager. Paul Bachman, Jennifer Lafontaine and. Sandy cooler, who is joining us today for the first time. I'd like to welcome our mayor for Amherst. The first item on our agenda today is the election of a chair. And once we elect the chair, I'll turn the meeting over to that person and they will follow the rest of the agenda, which includes electing a vice chair. So the floor is open for nominations, either self-nomination and or a nomination by another person for the position of chair of the finance committee. If I may. I would like to nominate Andy Steinberg. I can't think of a better person who's run this committee or could continue to run this committee. If he's willing. We're all better off for it. Andy, do you accept the nomination? Yes. Okay. Are there any other nominations at this time? Okay. Andy, is there anything you. Has her hand up. Kathy, would you like, please go ahead. Thank you. I would like to nominate Bob Hegner. Okay. Bob, do you accept the nomination? Yes. Okay. Are there any other nominations? Then I am going to ask both. Andy and Bob Hegner in that order. If they have anything they would like to say to the committee. In about a two minute period. Andy. Well, thank you. And thank you, Bernie, for the. Nominating me in the. Confidence. And I have thought about this question and when I said yes, it was because I decided that. It is a goal. We're in a very difficult period with finance committee. But not because of the committee itself, but because of the financial challenges that are underway. And I. Would like to make sure that. We address those challenges in a collaborative and open. Fashion. That involves input from all members of the committee and. Involve the entire community. I also. I want to. I want to. I want to contribute my. Years of expertise. And the work that I'm doing with the. MMA and try and coordinate. The work that I'm doing with the MMA as I have in the past. With what our goals are. As a committee and as a council. I think that it is getting to a point where. I need to start working with somebody. Very closely. His vice chair. With the hope that. A year from now we can begin. We can do a segue. And get somebody new. Involved in the chair role. Well, there's. A second year. Of my current term. So. Those are the reasons that I accepted. And I thank Bernie for the nomination. Alicia. Can you hear us? Yes, I can. Thank you. Okay. Alicia informed me earlier that she has laryngitis. And so. We can't expect that she's going to talk much. But she is here. And Alicia, we've gone through the nomination process for the nomination process. And so. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The position of chair. Two people have been nominated. Andy Steinberg and Bob. Both have accepted the nomination. And we are in the process of. Providing information. Each candidate is allowed to speak. Is there anything you wanted to add before we move on? Since we did move from nominations. We'll vote after we get done with the speeches. I know that's it. Thank you. Okay. Bob Hedner. Well, I don't have much to say. I respect Andy a lot. And I don't want Andy. I don't want you to feel that this is something where I'm. Running against you in that sense. I accepted the nomination because I have been on the finance committee for this is my fifth year. And I think I have an understanding of how it works. And I think I have an understanding of the town's finances. And I would like to. Help steward the town through this difficult. Financial. Period that Andy. Mentioned. I can't. Anyway, I. I will be willing to work. Hard. And I'll be willing to. Be open to suggestions as to how we can make things more. We can make the finance committee more effective as we go forward. Thank you. Thank you. So in the voting, it's actually in this case, only the five counselors who actually votes. Count. However, I will be calling the vote. To determine their concurrence one way or another. So I'm going to begin and go alphabetically. Counselor Hanna key. I vote for Bob Hagner. Bob Hagner. I vote for Bob. Kathy Shane. I vote for Bob. Hagner. Andy Steinberg. I vote for Andy Steinberg. Alicia Walker. I'm going to abstain. I think this is a really hard decision. Thank you. Okay. Bernie Kubia. I've nominated Andy. I have no qualms with with Bob or his. His abilities. But I think. You know, I go back.  I'm going to. I'm going to abstain. I think this is a really hard decision. I go back.  And I, I know his, his ability. And I. Would. Urge folks to. Reverse events. Matt Holloway. I support Andy. Okay. At this point of the voting members, we have three for Bob Hagner. One for Steinberg, one abstain. And two counts to non-voting residents. Who have supported Andy Steinberg. So it's Bob Hagner is chair and I'm turning the meeting over to you, Bob, for the position of vice chair. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. I appreciate the support and Andy. I really hope we can work closely together over the next few weeks and few months to really make a transition. And I'm going to lean a lot on your knowledge. And experience. So the election then for the vice chair. We'll begin. I guess we first want to do nominations. So if anyone wants to provide a nomination, please do so. Mandy. I'm going to nominate Matt Holloway. Am I. Am I able to do that? That's a very good question. Um, I don't, unless someone can come up with something in the rules that says vice chairs have to be. Um, members of the council, I don't know of anything that prevents it. No, there's no prohibition. Matt, if you want to accept, you can accept. Matt, do you accept? Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you. Um, Councillor Haneke. I'm going to struggle with who is councillor. Who's first name, by the way, just so bear, please bear with me. Okay. Are there any other nominations for vice chair? Oh, I'm sorry, Bob, you're doing that. Yeah, sorry. I'm going to enter the name of Kathy Shane in as nomination. Kathy, do you accept? I do. I do accept. I'm not getting married. Is there any other, any other nominations? Okay. Then again, only the five counselors can vote. In the two non voting members. I will pull you to. Point of order. If you can allow the candidates, the two candidates to make statements and then committee members can make statements if they wish. I'm sorry. You're right. So, uh, why don't we go just in, in the order that nomination Matt, if you want to make a statement. Sure. Well, I just, um, I'm grateful for the nomination. I didn't expect it. So I, I really appreciate the recognition. And I would, um, I would just say that vice chair is a workforce position. You know, although, uh, Kathy comes in with a wealth of experience and may wind up getting my support. I have to think about it for a minute. Or for as long as I have to think about it. Um, you know, I, I know. For myself that I've served with, with you for three, uh, three plus years, Bob, and, and I think we could work pretty well together and, you know, um, vitally, I have really close relationships with both Kathy and Andy. So, um, I think, you know, I would be one more person leaning on the two of them for me to do it. Should I, should I, so attain that position? Okay. Thanks. Um, Kathy, do you want to say anything? Uh, yeah, I'll just say a few words. Um, I would like to do this for one more year. I have been vice chair and, um, you know, in part because I have a range of things. I think we really need to get done and with Bob as chair, I'd hope to be able to work with him. And now, uh, now that Sandy pooler is on our screen, um, we, we have a tough year ahead of us. And I think we need to be, um, more, uh, in, in advance in terms of not just waiting for things to come to our agenda, but pushing the agenda a bit more. And I'd like to help do that and take on some of the workload as people know, I, I seem to have an analyst capacity to work. So, uh, thank you for the nomination. Does, uh, does anyone else want to make a statement? Maybe Joe or councilor Hanneke. Thank you. Um, my statement's going to be a neutral one. I nominated Matt, but I also support Kathy. I think either candidate could do an excellent job as vice chair. Um, and so I just wanted to, to recognize that I think we have many capable people able and willing to do vice chair, um, no matter which way this goes. Um, and I thought nominating more than one person was a way to make that recognition that, that our finance committee is well served with people who can serve in leadership roles. Andy. I would like to hear from Matt if, uh, if he's willing to make a statement. Sure. Um, Let me see. So I think the, what I've observed is that the vice chair role plays a really integral process role between meetings.  We'll get the, uh, the carryover memo, um, distributed things like things like that, I think is, is our sort of essential to this, um, vice chair role.  And I think, I think I work pretty well with town staff and with other, um, you know, folks who are in service roles to, uh, as I said, keep the wheels turning, keep the lights on. Um, so I'd be happy to do that work. And then of course, most of you here are aware, I ran for a council or counselor this past year. And, um, you know, I think that finance has been a key part of a learning experience for me in terms of understanding how Amherst sort of, you know, runs its government and supporting the town manager and his staff in doing that. So I think this would be, you know, a really nice, um, compliment to the learning that I've done. Uh, and I have, I think hopefully a reputation for being, you know, very inclusive in terms of reaching out to, you know, all the various groups and sort of interested parties across town. So, uh, you know, if I was elected for the role, I'd be, you know, um, happy to fulfill it. And I think I could do it well. And I would continue to lean on my friend, Kathy, um, for very advice. Should I be so lucky or unlucky as to get the role? Anyone else want to make a statement? Okay, then, uh, we'll go forward with the vote. I think we started with, uh, councilor Hennigy last time. So we'll start with myself. Um, I vote for Kathy Shane. Next would be Kathy. I vote for Kathy. Andy. I vote for Matt. Alicia. I'm still sorry. I am having a hard time with this one as well. Um, I think, you know, Kathy has done a great job and I think that she would continue to do a great job. And I also, you know, always advocate for, for new voices. And I think it would be really interesting to have a community member serve in a position of leadership. I'm so sorry. My voice is really not there. Um, so with that being said, I'm going to abstain again, but I just want to, you know, put my support out there for both of the, uh, people who have been nominated. Okay. Thank you. Uh, councilor Hennigy. I want to echo everything that Alicia just said, um, with that said, I'm going to vote for Kathy. Okay. And, uh, Bernie, uh, would you support? Well, you know, it's, I think at this point, Kathy is the nominee. I'm happy about that. I would have, I would have, it will happily support that. Um, you know, I think we're going to make some changes. We need to make some changes and, um, you know, there's a lot of capabilities on the committee. So I'm comfortable with, uh, with, with most of the members taking the leadership role. So, but, you know, I will lean towards Matt. Okay. And Matt. I'll support Matt. Okay. So, um, so we have all the voting members. There are three for Kathy Shane, uh, one for Matt and one abstention and from the two non-voting members, we have support for, both have supported Matt. So Kathy is the, uh, new vice chair. Congratulations, Kathy. Anyone else have any comments before we move forward? Um, Thank you, Bob. I actually, uh, Sina, would you put me in the audience, please? Thank you. Okay. So the, the next item on our agenda is the 2020 meeting schedule. Right now, uh, let me see if I can, can I, uh, Can I pull that up, Athena? You should be able to share your screen. Um, I can also pull it up if that's easier. That would be easier for me. Thank you. So the, the meeting, uh, that we have the meeting schedule is basically, um, every other week. From now until, uh, a year from now, um, or closer year from now, I do think that we will need to put supplemental meetings in the June timeframe because that's when we'll be reviewing the town budget. And we typically have done two meetings a week at that time. And we may have to extend our hours, uh, if that works for people. Um, so as we get closer to those, that period of time, I will pull people to see what makes sense in terms of additional, uh, days to meet. Um, also, uh, typically in August and September, we've had a lighter schedule, um, because in July, uh, because, uh, of the annual budget cycle. But again, we'll have to wait and see what happens in terms of, um, any changes that are made in the, in the financial, uh, in the financial schedule. And, um, other things that may come up. So does anyone have any comments on this schedule as we, as we have it laid out? Councilor Hanneke. Yeah. Um, my comments are similar to yours. Um, the June 18th empty date struck me as very strange. I don't know whether it was just an accident. Um, that's complete middle of budget season and budget might not even be passed yet. Um, so it seems odd that we would be skipping a meeting in June, um, beyond all the ones that we normally have in May for budget purposes. Um, the, the other one is July 2nd. The budget would be passed by then. I, I always though, um, it's not an ideal time no matter what because of the holiday on the 4th. I always like to err on the cautious side of putting a meeting on an agenda so that everyone's got it in their calendar and then canceling it. If it's not necessary. Um, and so I would probably advocate putting a July 2nd meeting on, um, or whatever's the third Tuesday after July 18th, maybe, um, June 18th if people didn't want the second, but, um, with the potential of recognizing that if the budget is passed in late June on the 24th or whatever, we probably don't need a meeting July 2nd. Um, but I always like to be cautious. Um, I have finance committee on June 18 on my, on my calendar with all the committees. I think it was just an error that I left it off. Um, but I didn't have a meeting scheduled July 2. I think I was thinking that the 4th or July holiday would be that weekend. So that's why I left that date off. Yeah, we can, we can, we can. Adjust this, this schedule as we go. Kathy, did you want to make a comment? Yeah. Um, I don't have a comment on any more adjustments than Mandy just did, but with, with Sandy pooler joining the town and the capacity does, and I know he knows the big capital projects, I would want to make sure as we get into this calendar year that we can really focus on a DPW fire station, the big capital projects and talk about the money. So it may be by adding one or two of those states. If we have a breather where, where other things aren't crowding them. So I think it's a good idea to have them on our calendars and then to think through when that makes the most sense. I'm not saying either July 2, which was is an interesting time to think of large capital projects, but in any case, um, we got this past year, the fall got incredibly busy and squeezed out time. So trying to think of, you know, the first half of the year. So I think this is a good schedule is the long winter way, but, but saying at least one of the agenda setting, trying to leave the agendas open for a longer discussion. Thank you. Andy. I guess that I am. I. I am just, um, I think perhaps we need to encourage that we give thought. Immediately to the additional meetings that we know we're going to need between May 1st and middle of. Because we know that the charter. Provides that. days to review the budget and make our recommendations to the council. We know how much work that it has been in the past to do that. I would support having a discussion amongst the committee at the earliest possible time about whether we want to restructure how we are going to do the budget or whether we're going to adhere to the budget review as we have in the past. We began to have that discussion at one of our media meetings at the end of the last session of the town council. So but I just don't think that there's enough no matter what we do, we are going to need more meetings. And I think that it is not wise to wait to schedule those meetings because talk about it's something that needs to be on the schedule that heavy a period of time we really need the schedule solidified. OK, so we we certainly should be able to put additional Tuesdays at this time. I presume I presume that works for everyone. The question is what other days of the week would we want to schedule? Because we typically do two two meetings a week. So I guess what is May 28th? Is that a holiday weekend set after the I don't have a calendar up and from me? I don't believe so. OK. So what about I have a request. It's not it's not specific to any particular date. I would just ask if it's possible. And if it creates a burden, don't do it, Athena. But if it's possible to get the Google Calendar events created, doesn't need the zoom links or anything, but just placeholders for the for this whole schedule that's incredibly helpful to me just because my my calendar is like a shifting thing constantly on your outlook calendar. Whatever software device you're using to to create calendar events, I can work with you offline to figure that out. OK, so we're so typically we've tried to for Thursday or Friday to be the second meeting of a week. It would does that work? Does that work? Is there anyone who can't do a Thursday afternoon or Friday afternoon Councilor Haneke? I'll try to answer that question and then also a suggestion. Thursday afternoons might be problematic, depending on when they're scheduled to end. But if I have enough notice, I might be able to work around some carpool schedules for me, but Friday afternoons are generally fine for me. But I guess one of my comments was I like that we're putting in all the Tuesdays in May because the budget report for finance has to be back 30 days. So basically by the end of May, it needs to be back at the Council. So May is the tough month, although because of the capital plan and stuff, we might need a couple more in June. But if we have the conversation that Andy suggests, which I wholeheartedly support about how we review the budget and whether there's a more efficient or different way of doing it that doesn't require it all to be done in May for whatever reason, maybe we don't have to put so many meanings in yet if we have that conversation in the next month or so, where we can talk about how we want to review sort of a budget and a schedule for department review and stuff like that. OK, Alicia. I could make either a Thursday or Friday work, but it just depends on the timing. So I'm just wondering when you say after noon, what time exactly do you mean? Well, I don't I can I can meet any time. So I'm I'm retired. So it's really up to people on the committee in terms of I mean, what time would work? I mean, we can we can try to start earlier. Does that work for people?  But that doesn't mean I'm I'm always unscheduled on Tuesday, if we're going to meet Tuesday afternoons, if we could end prior to five o'clock, that would be preferable. It's not a mandatory, but it would be preferable. If we're going to meet Thursdays, then again, let's wrap it up by five. If we can't, that's OK. But Thursday happens to be a day when a number of the activities that I participated and have landed on for some strange reason. So ending in five o'clock is a favor to me. Fridays tend to be unscheduled. I would prefer mornings, but afternoons do work. And again, let's wrap it up early enough in the in the in the evening or to to allow for some downtime and other other things as the days get longer. OK, thanks, Andy. Yeah, I just want to point out the other committee that I'm on, which is TSO, is meeting on Thursdays at 10 in the morning. And so if we're meeting at two, it's certainly not a problem. If it's earlier than two, it could be an overage in one meeting or no time in between meetings, which is always difficult. So that's the only thought that I have about that really will involve a very small number of days with us that possible overlap. But because we're really talking about one month out of a year, but I thought I pointed out, OK, Alisha, do you would would an earlier start like on a Thursday at one work for you? Yes, I could do Thursday. I'd be finishing up around one so like one 30 would be better. But I could also make a Friday morning work as long as it's not conflicting with the elementary school building committee meeting. So that's also an option. OK. So we got a lot of dates floating around here. What about Friday mornings? Would that work better for people? Anyone not able to make Friday mornings? Is Paul here, Paul, for the staff? Would Friday mornings work? Typically, staff prefer mornings, Friday mornings and Friday afternoons. Friday afternoons can be difficult for staff. And, you know, I think if you did it later in the morning, like I get 10 o'clock, I often have, you know, we have events that begin at 8 or 8 30 in the morning, most likely. But I think, I mean, Holly and Jen can weigh in as well. Do you have a preference, Holly or Jen? My schedules for Fridays are OK in the mornings. That's Holly. The only thing I have is school building committee for that monthly meeting. They usually end by 10. Yeah. Yeah, great. That's our input. Thank you for asking, Bob. OK. Sure. So why don't we tentatively schedule our Friday mornings in May from, well, let's let's say 10 to one. And that'll give us a little bit more time although it gets into lunchtime. But again, we can we can go back and take a look at these as we get closer. But if people want to get it in their calendars. Bob, all four, let's see one, too. There's five Fridays in May. Would you like me to put in all five Fridays? Yeah, we may need because the last one is going to be the thirty first, right? Someone should someone should ask Athena about her. Since she's she's been known to send out notices on the weekend and stuff like that. So I'm going to make it work for you, Bernie. Thank you for asking. In the other just being selfish for me doing after photography, April and May are like prime times. So if we're going to have these meetings, you know, when the schedule is up, let's make sure that they're they're fairly firm and that everyone shows up for them. Otherwise, I'm going to be grumpy. Well, if there's anybody who can't make. The additional meetings, let me know. And we'll we'll come back and and take a look at this. But yeah, I do think we need to. We'll need the last day every day in May we can get because we may have to finish up a report. I'm going to clean this up for you. OK.  But if you want to vote on it as it is, and then I'll clean it up before I post it. OK, Cathy. I'm fine with what we just did. But as Alicia mentioned, we have elementary school building committee and also, you know, we'll be done by 10 in the morning, but it's a big day and that's only May 17th. That's the only day. So right now, I think leaving it just as you've done. But I think if if it's possible not to do May 17th or when we get to the end of April, if we say May 17th could start 11 because we're only meeting once we're only meeting once a month. So I don't want to and I share that so I can't actually leave early. Now, that's fine. Yeah. So that was just that's that that is the one I just was checking. We were only meeting once a month so that just yellow shade that or whatever for the time. Do you want to take it out? Do you want me to remove this, Cathy? No, I think it's OK. I'm just saying, you know, if it's that would start, you know, I hate to micromanage right now if that started more like 11 to to make sure if we go till 10 30, we're not overlapping. But when we really take a look at this, maybe we want to bunch up some of the department meetings and have a longer meeting some mornings. So Bob has said 10 to one. So we get more done on one of the Fridays so we can schedule. We can manage this schedule more in April is what I'm thinking. You know, as we think about how we're going to do it. Yeah. Yeah, we can't. I mean, I can't think that far ahead anyway. So yeah, I'm just I'm just flagging for everyone. That's the one what Alicia mentioned. That's the one that's the only school committee, many building committee meeting that month. OK. So I'm hearing this is OK. Yep. OK, any other comments on this schedule? OK, so I guess we have only a motion to Athena will probably see it. But the May 10th time. Thank you. At 1 a.m., OK, so I guess we need a motion to. Adopt adopt this schedule. So moved Kathy. Second Panicky. So go through. So we'll start with Matt. Is Matt still there? Maybe you can come back to Matt and Bernie. It's fine. Kathy. Yes. Andy. Yes. Alicia. Yes. Councilor Hattacky. Hi. Works for me on the yes. Matt. Support. OK, you support that. So we have five. Everyone that's unanimous. Five councillors voting yes and two resident members supporting. So as I say, we'll come back and we'll take a look at the calendar as we move forward. The next item on the agenda is review of carryover items. Andy, do you want to kind of set the stage for this? Because I'm not quite sure what we can review. The only looks like one that we can actually get started on. The rest are kind of we're kind of waiting for others. But did you have some thoughts about. What we want to do or how we should take these on? You might have a copy of the carryover memo available to put on the screen. But the issue that comes up to me that we could work on without relying on any other MIDI is the surplus property, which was a policy that we really did not get an opportunity to spend much time on and early in the year would make sense. The question of the rental registration, I would for to Mandy is to what she thinks about the timing of discussion of the financial piece that we're talking about in this committee, which is really the fee structure and whether the fee structure is generating sufficient funds. So I hope that Mandy has some as far as the questions of some of the policies like waste hauler and the financial implications of the lighting policy. Those are things that are really working with staff. Making recommendations to TSO and then when we get a little bit of a better sense of how they're going, this committee will be in a better position to take up with the financial implications of what is recommended on those two policies. I think those were the major things were in there. Did I miss anything, Athena? There's the waste hauler to Andy. I mentioned waste hauler along with that. I mean, when I said that both we're relying on staff making recommendations to TSO and TSO, making a formulating something that we'll have to look at the financial aspects of. The other one that's on the list and it's waiting also for a charge is reparations. Reparations. The cash flow. So but but I think what you said at the offset, Andy, was, you know, the one we could, if we want to put it on agenda for the next meeting is surplus properties. It's I've been, you know, if we, particularly if we get our heads around what has already the draft, the draft revised draft, but I had a series of comments I wanted to make on that and then maybe we could put it on the next agenda for the next meeting. Kathy, if you send me your comments, I have some other comments from a previous meeting when it was discussed, and I can incorporate all of those into a new draft for the next meeting. OK. And some of mine are more larger conceptual, Athena, so rather than an edit of the edits, I'll do it as a memo and, you know, sort of. But but yes, I'll do I'll do both. We'll do. OK, great. Thank you. And I think in as far as the reparations is concerned, Paul might give guidance to us on what we might hear back from AP law. There was a series of questions that we were presenting that were coupled with suggest questions that were posed by GOL in its review of other aspects of the proposal. So I think we were looking on that because we need to then come back to the financial structure. The options that they recommended and how we're going to comment on those. Yes, many. Council Haneke. Yeah, to update on rental registration, the earliest would be February 6th on CRC meets on Tuesdays, right now alternating with finance in terms of which weeks. So we're waiting for the agenda to be posted for the 30th. So I can't tell you. I know rental registration is on there. I do not know whether debate on it is so that it might get to a vote. So I would say more likely the 20th if there are potential recommended changes. It is unclear at this point, whether CRC will recommend any changes to the fee schedule. It has not discussed the fee schedule requests that have been made by councillors yet. So I I do not know the referral was just to CRC. It was not to refer back to finance. So it will be up to the chair to truly decide how that returns to the council or not. OK, so we may we may be able to talk about that on the 6th or maybe the 20th then. OK, I think yeah, I think I agree that we should try to talk about the surplus property at our next meeting. It is is do we have an inventory of the surplus property? Paul, do we or Paul, do we have an inventory at this point? Yeah, we have an inventory. We have a draft surplus property policy. Dave Zomek was the staff person leading that so I can talk with him about seeing if he's prepared to attend your next meeting. Yeah, it would be good. It'd be good to to have a sense of what the I know that some things are like Wildwood is going to be surplus, not now, but at some point in the future. And so it would be helpful to have both kind of a current inventory and then the expected in the next five, five years or so. Yes, I think what he would probably update you on is, you know, where we are with Hickory Ridge with, you know, we know we have identified you've identified Wildwood, but also the South Amherst School. Right, right. OK. Thank you, Bob. I just wanted to note at this point that the policy was a recommendation for a finance committee to be updated. There is not an impending property that we're asking the council to surplus at this point. Right, right. No, no, no, I understood that. I just it's always helpful to, for me, at least to see, you know, what are we talking about? What, you know, how many properties are we talking about right now?  So and I would just like to know that Wildwood is still owned and controlled by the school committee until they access it. Then that's really not our property. If they can continue to use it as a school function, that's up to them. That's right. That's correct. OK. Does anyone else have any other comments on this? OK, the next item on the agenda is the update of the FY 25 projections. Paul, were you going to speak about that? Yes, I am. So we don't have that updated. We got information, you know, we have the governor's budget that should come out tomorrow, I believe. And we also have not we've seen the range that Maya has given for health insurance increases. We have not seen our particular increases. We expect to see that in the first week of February, I'm hoping. So after we get those two major numbers, then that's where the project that Sandy will help us with as well in looking at those projections. OK, and that moving on, then we'll go to the if I may relate it to that. Paul, do we have any information on how we're going to be impacted by the governor's 21 C cuts? We have not seen any impact on the town at this point in time, especially hitting statewide budget statewide accounts and also earmarks. But I haven't heard anything from our state legislators about what earmarks they if any of our earmarks are affected. Thank you. OK, any other? Councilor Hanneke. Yeah, thank you. The Maya range was up to approximately, I think, 10 percent on an insurance health insurance and our budget has 12 percent. Is that correct? So we're going to be looking to potentially with some additional revenue. Well, it's not really revenue, but lower expenses. I guess. Yeah. So so with that, I know you don't have any updated projections now. Do you think between what the governor announced for Aga and the additional, you know, funding with that and their projections, do you think any of the three percent recommendation will change at all? I know your financial indicators presentation had a deficit, but are we looking at and, you know, where are you thinking right now? I guess with these big numbers. So I'm not we don't want to speculate on that, Mandy. I know you're interested, but you're right that we had put projected 12 percent for health insurance. They say the maximum is going to be nine point nine five percent. We also have to look in the number of people who are being covered. We have to do all the payroll, all the payroll projections on that. So it's not a flat percentage increase. It's also how many family plans, how many individual plans. We have to project that all out. So that takes a bit of time. Any other comments? OK, the next item is the first quarter report, which we have received. And I don't know, is Holly, are you going to pause? How are we going to put it together? So thank you, Holly, for pulling it together. It comes out a really busy time of year for accounting. So well, I'm going to say that Sonia Aldrich helped a lot with pulling this one together, because I'm in the midst of multiple, multiple, multiple projects going on, including budget being the most important one. So I I understand from Sonia that in the past, the first quarter report has has mostly just sort of been given and not a lot of discussion on it because it is very preliminary. There are a lot of things that happen in the first quarter or don't happen in the first quarter. So in in many departments, there will be very, very large encumbrances for the entire year that get posted right at the beginning of the year or in some departments, most of their expenses are later on in the year. So the first quarter report is, you know, is certainly important, but it's not as important as the others, because a lot of things are really based on timing at this point. At the beginning of the year, we may do all of our transfers and put in large encumbrances in certain departments, which will make them look like they're already sort of out of whack and or or overspent, which is really just a timing issue. So right now, I guess sort of the most important things to look at is is is how do I want to say it is really just that this is a lot of the stuff is just projected at this point. You will see some large encumbrances in some places that may not be used till later on in the year. I guess I'm really just wondering if anybody has questions on it because a lot of this information and a lot of this is really just based on timing. Like motor vehicle excise tax bills won't be going out until February. So the majority of that collection won't happen till later on in the year. Right now, the investment income looks pretty high, but that may be that one CD came in with a with a with a rather large rate early in the year, that's not going to continue for the remainder of the year. So the and, you know, things like pools and Cherry Hill, they won't be really starting back up again until spring. So even though they may look a little bit high now, that's simply because they were in operation during the first quarter. They're not going to have as much activity in the second and third quarter. And then that activity will pick up again in the fourth quarter. So I guess does anybody have any questions? Any. Yeah, I guess the one concern that I have looking at it, unless you can give some explanation is recreation because we get a lot of our revenue comes from the summer camp programs. But they go into revolving funds before they reach the budget itself. So I don't know how to take that number, but I was just concerned about that particular item as I went through the list. Yes. And so the the vast majority of wrecks revenue is through the revolving funds. They do pay an administrative fee back to the town. I'm sorry. Are you looking on the revenue side or the expenditure side? I'm looking on the revenue side, revenue side. Yes. So that the administrative reimbursement has not been processed yet. Yeah, thank you. Bernie, yeah, it's thank you. I think it's important to remember that none of this most of the budget doesn't get expended at one 12th increments. Refresh my memory on the on the state aid and how that schedule works again. Is it the cherry sheets revenue is purely quarterly? Most of the state aid comes in monthly, but there are some categories of state aid that only come in quarterly. So state aid is one where it usually is pretty close to the one 12th increment because almost all of our payments are either monthly or quarterly. OK, none of that. That's reliable enough and sufficient enough that we don't have to do any burrowing, anticipating revenue. No, no. So I I had one question about parking permits. What's the sort of the annual pattern of what when people are getting the parking permits? Do you get a lot in like August, September? And then it tails off because I notice it's just in revenues were already at like forty five percent, forty six percent for license permits. And I just wondered what the the kind of pattern was. So on parking permits, the parking permit system here in Amherst runs on the school year, so it is they are renewed in September. So we will get a lot more revenue at the beginning of the year. Most people get their permit for the nine month period and then don't go again for the next year. Right, right. That's what I figured. Any other questions? OK. I think. Well, thank you. Absolutely. Kathy, at the end of Bob, I have one not specifically on the quarterly, but more so, I understand when because I saw there was a proposal of the governor's level to potentially allow towns to control more of the excise tax. How much what part of the excise tax on cars do we keep now? Just when when when we residents pay, does all of that come to the town? It all comes. OK. Thank you if I'm wrong, Jen. But yes, we get all the revenue on excise tax. We do. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. And there is a there is a proposal that I'm sorry. Go ahead. I was no, I was just going to say there's a proposal to increase the well to allow towns to increase the meals tax and the hotel tax by one percent, one percentage point. Again, it's only a proposal. So but I don't think that that's not going to really affect us or our budget that much, as I recall. We don't have a lot in there. How did you want to say something else? No, I was just going to say that I believe I just saw something on the motor vehicle excise where it's going to be similar to. Meals and hotel tax, where you could do a local option, I think, to get more, but the excise tax still would come to the town. Right. But and I'm not sure that that's final. I did remember just seeing an email about it very recently. Sorry, go ahead. It's the governor's proposal.  So yeah, we don't have it yet. Councilor Hanneke. Thank you. A question about the hotel motel revenue. Is that revenue that comes in and fits and starts? And is highly variable because the first quarter reports are showing we've received 51 percent of our budgeted intention. Is that something where in the second quarter we receive a lot? You know, does does it just sort of go in waves or is it more equal throughout the year that we may be under budgeted? So I believe the hotel motel tax is one that is. Off a month. So when we receive it in September, we're receiving June, July and August, which are the summer months and the most popular vacation months. So hotel motel is not. It is it does fluctuate. Those would be the summer months that we received. And we do estimate that fairly conservatively. We do typically come in over. But it is there's also, you know, still recovering from covid, where nobody was going on vacations and hotel motels stuff. So that is that is for the months of. June, July and August, which is the heaviest, the biggest payment, typically. Thank you. Thanks, Bernie. Yeah, the governor has been reminded that she promised no new taxes. Although she didn't promise that somebody else could raise taxes. One of the things I'd look for is a change in the amortization schedule for the vehicle excise because the time that the amortization schedule was done, cars tended to die after three, four years. And now the typical cars on the road for nine. So if there's any opportunity to make changes to gather some additional revenue, then we should take a look at that amortization schedule. I'm not sure that they'll let us do that. But who knows? Also, just my editorializing about hotel motel meals. Cannabis, all that is what I consider to be soft money. And I think it's wise that we we use low estimates in in preparing and projecting those because we don't want to black swan event and it's much nicer to be surprised when you gather in more money than you projected. Thanks, Kathy. This is a question more for the ball and policy and but to the extent UMass is starting to offer catering services off campus. I know we've got a agreement of sorts with them that we get hotel motel for the campus hotel or the part that's not UMass faculty putting somebody up, however, we compute that. But to the extent they are going into off campus competition with others that cater, who and how would we know that's happening? And when would we ever go after it? If it's starting to be a fairly big revenue stream? For example, they were catering Thanksgiving meals. And it's for some of our local folks that may revenue from catering was most of their business for the year for some of the delis to accept UMass goes into competition with them. So it's a question of if it's happening, how do we go and capture it in a friendly way? So that's not new. They've been doing it for before I got here. They've been catering, providing catering services. They've been expanding that, though, and under the new leadership or relatively new leadership in their dining services. It is impactful on our local establishments and also the rulemaking that they put out the university's campus about who they can use as a caterer has impacts our our local establishments. You know, I think we want to make sure that they collect meals tax on meals. Like if you go to dying at the university, they should be collecting meals tax, we want to make sure they're doing that. And so there's and I think they're doing that as far as I can tell they're doing it, but I'm not sure how many people slip through on terms of when they're collecting meals tax or not.  So that's a constant battle for us, quite honestly. Yeah, I I realize that. And for those of us who have been around for a long time, books used to be sold downtown and most textbooks and most of them got moved on to the on campus.  It's so thanks. You know, it's just an observation.  So I thought you're kidding me, but I'm not sure that is still going on, but I got a mailer to. So I know captioning, it's not easy, but it's it's revenue lost. So for not just us, for our businesses. Yeah. OK. Anyone else have any other comments on the first quarter report? OK, we'll move then to the next item, which is public comment. And I'm opening it up. I think Lynn is the only participant in the only in the audience. So it doesn't look like we have any public comments. I think that's it. Does anyone want to bring up a topic, another topic that. Not reasonably anticipated by the chair. Yeah, I want to express my joy at seeing Sandy smiling face on the screen here. I knew he'd be back. I knew he'd come back. And I'm not clear on the extent of Sandy's role. It's welcome, whatever it is. But if we can get a few a few words about that, for those of us were out of the loop. Bob, it was OK if I respond to that. Yeah, that's fine. OK, yeah. So yeah, we did want to I went to introduce Sandy Puller. For those of you who don't know of him, Sandy was the finance director for the town of Amherst from 2011 to 2016, I believe. Before that, he was the chief financial officer for the city of Newton. After when he left Amherst, he became the deputy town manager for the town of Arlington and then the town manager for the town of Arlington. And when he retired at his retirement party, we started I saw we had the conversation about, hey, what about Amherst? And so with the new year, seeing the status of our search for a new finance director and recognizing the incredible burden that our co-intern finance directors, Jen and Holly, are under. Sandy was gracious enough to after taking a bit of break, come back and sort of provide us some services. We're talking a limited amount. I think if he doesn't need to be in a meeting, it's it's probably best, but he'll come to finance committees meetings as needed. If there's something on the agenda for him. We're looking at about 10 to 15 hours a week. And we're going to play this out by year a little bit. The types of things that we want him to look at are financial projections, which is what we talked about a little bit here. So update our financial projections, working with Jen and Holly on that, looking at our debt schedules, things like that, looking at the four capital projects and how we're financing those projects with the newest reality and the new options that are available to us. Looking, you know, working with running our capital improvement program and of course, working with taking on significant role with the budget. So Sandy's taken on a lot. I'm not sure how much he'll be able to pull in, but he's very efficient in his work and knows the town has great affection for the town. And so, Sid, if you want to introduce yourself yourself, you have to put your microphone thing down, though. Should I talk? Hello, everybody. Yes, so I'm back in Amherst, had my first lunch at Black Sheep. So that was a nice familiar experience. Paul, I think, went through all of the major tasks. Today is my first day of doing this work. So I'm just getting up to speed on some of the numbers, figuring out where the files are and all those things. Much of it will be familiar from when I was here before, but there have been various changes to the budget structure. So also getting up to speed on that. I look forward to working with the committee. I would intend to attend at least some of your meetings although I think I'll work with the chair about what's going to be on your agendas as to what will be appropriate since I am only doing a certain number of hours per week. So trying to spread my time out for what are the priorities and what's most useful to you. Other than that, I like spreadsheets. So it'll be fun getting back into that. I now have a town email, which is poolers at AmherstmAA.gov. I'll also give you my phone number, which is my cell. Let's let's share that out over email, Sandy. Oh, OK, I don't know. Versus public meetings. This is a public meeting. Well, I guess anybody will eventually will hear it, but it was public before. So I will share that with you via email. So if you have any questions, I'd be glad to answer them. Otherwise, I look forward to working with all of you. Well, on behalf of the committee, Sandy, we're very happy that you're here to help us. We can certainly use your help. We have a big a big issue with our common finances over the next couple of years. So I think your experience and your your your willingness to dive into details I think will be very, very helpful to us. And I also enjoy working with spreadsheets. So I'd like to see numbers as do I think a lot of the people on this on this committee. So OK. Anyone, Holly Holly has her hand up. Sorry. See it. I would just like to welcome Sandy and thank him from the bottom of my heart, because I am overwhelmed to see his face today, allowed me to breathe a little bit. So thank you, Sandy. And thank you, Paul, for bringing him back. Keep breathing, Holly, keep breathing. I'm trying. OK. Any other comments? OK, I think we've gone through our agenda. So the meeting is now adjourned at 3.13 p.m. Thank you all. Thanks, everyone.


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What's up, everybody? Jason here for jazzybiscayterate.com. 2023, Topps, Pristine Baseball, eight box case break, Pagasins number seven just sold out. And here we go, guys. So, lock on Mojo William. Getting the red socks. Everybody else bought it straight up as well. Thank you guys so much. Let's now do the break. And we'll go through the four and we'll rip the next four. 45 out of 50. Bullson Contreras to 50 for Boston. Out of purple to 99. And Kristy Matheson for the New York Giants. Okay, what's that one, a 75? Ooh. First auto, look at this. It's an orange going, going, gone for the Astros. That is an orange eight out of 25, Jordan Alvarez color match as well. That's going to Michael with the Houston Astros. There you go, you say you wanted something nice tonight. You're the first hit right there. From the encased. All right, we got a Jason Alexander for the Brewer's, but a John, just uncirculated. Ben attendee to 50. And I believe that was like Royals, right? Yeah, that's when he was there before he got traded. Wherever he was an All-Star last year before the trade deadline. Zach Thompson for the Cardinals to 99. That's Michael. And then Alec Thomas, Diamondbacks. Diamondbacks, that's Lauren. And then we got Corey Kluver for Boston. That is 75. And a going, going, gone gold for the Metz, going to Howard. They go with Piazza there to 50. And a Byron Buxton popular demand. Pat Jautograph for the Minnesota Twins, going to Daniel. Frances Glendore for the Metz purple. Number to 99. Adler-Ruchman, the Babe. Musgrove. Audrey's. Harris, oh snap. Rashida and Andre Dawson. That's going to go to the Nationals. Exposed edition goes to the Nationals. That's Michael, 75. All right, let's go to the encased cards. First autographs, a blue color match for the Cubs. Nelson Velazquez to 75. Cubs, going to Charles. No for the Cubs, Sammy Sosa. Uncirculated. We have a Oscar Gonzalez for the Guardians blue to 75. Guardians and Adam. Max Castillo for the Royals. That should be numbered to 75 as well. Royals is Bev. Then we got Brian Bale for the Red Sox, uncirculated and then Todd Helton for the Rockies Charles to 75. Second, third box. And Jesse Winker around the Diamond. Milwaukee Brewers, went to John. Not numbered. So we got an orange coming up. Nice, Mike Trout. Angels going to Tristan. Number to 25. Devers for the Red Sox. To 99. Sarper and Brady Singer. Time's just going, going, going base to 75. Nice. Orange at a base of 75 now. That's going to the Astros and Michael. Bernie Williams for the Yankees going to Tristan. Logan Ohapi for the Angels to 50. And Michael, you got a handful of teams wanting to get this done. How about a Jordan Walker Orange? Autograph for the Cardinals that's going to you, buddy. And that's 21 out of 25. Beautiful break for you with those teams. Got Kyle Tucker there for the Astros and then Kettle Marte for the Diamondbacks to 75. Very nice. All right, last box here. And Tony Gonson for the Dodgers who's actually getting Tommy John, unfortunately, just hasn't really been himself this year after a great season last year. So I think he's shut down already. But still nice to be right there for you. Big boys with the Dodgers. Got Nolan Aronato to 99. And the Red, wow. For the Rangers. Josh Young, three out of five. There we go, very nice. And that's going to go to the Rangers' Heath. Congrats, man. Pasquantino, fresh faces autographed for the Blue Jays. Blue Jays is Steven. Miggy for Detroit. Robbie Ray, Blue for Seattle to 75. And then Solto for the Angels. Going to Tristan autograph. Sandi Alcantara for the Marlins. And then Wilson-Gatres for the Cardinals. Going to Michael to 50. Let's go with the next four, guys. I would love to do that top-con jumbo, guys. That jumbo is down to, I believe, what? Six or four left? Yeah, four left. Two teams, 40 and under. One team at 30, and then two big teams. I think we can easily get that done tonight, too, as well, guys. That's going to 75 for the Texas Rangers. And nice Jose Miranda, nice three-color patch and autograph there for the Minnesota Twins. That's a beautiful patch there, too. Minnesota going to Daniel, out of 25. We got Kodaisanga out of 50. Got Michael Harris, Ivan Herrera for the Cardinals to 99. Christopher Morrell and Tony Gwynn. 75 for the Padres. All right, here we go. Oscar Gonzalez for the Guardians. Guardians that's going to Adam. Goldsmith for the Cardinals. Let's go on to Michael. And we got Framber Valdes for Houston to 75. And very nice. About a little James Oppmann autograph there for big one double seven of the Dodgers. Playing much better the second half, guys. There we have a CJ Cron for the Rockies. Uncirculated. And a nice Jeets. How about Jeter for Tristan and the Yankees there to 75. Blue. All right, let's continue on, guys. We got, oh, snap, here, Judge. And then a nice out of 99, Jonathan India patch autograph. Christy Matheson out of 50 for the New York Giants. Winfield. Partial for the Dodgers. Mitchell to 99 for the Pirates. Pirates that's going to Julian. We got Joel Matiply for the Diamondbacks. We got Winfield for the Padres to 75. Michael with that one. And we got a going, going, gone Schorber autograph. Number to 75. Phillies going to Greg. And we got Bregman and a nice pink there, plus sack for the Guardians to 15. Patrick Wisdom, a little pinstripe and autograph there for the Cubs. Winner, Charles. Raleigh Fingers out of 25. Jeter. Purple to 99. Ronald Acunha, oh, snap. Joss Young and Jan Momcada. All right, this is so far turned out to be a great case, guys. Great case. And another beautiful hit coming up. How about a gold, going, going, gone Frank Thomas autograph? That's for the White Sox out of 50. Going to Michael as well. Jesus, Michael, you picked all the right teams in this case. Shoes. There you go, man. Nolan Ryan. California Angels there going to Angels. Then we got a Kyle Tucker. Gold to 50 for the Houston Astros. Then we got Graham Ashcraft for the Reds going to Barry. Autograph. You got Ispinel for the Blue Jakes and then Luis Ortiz for the Pirates to 25. All right, very, very solid case, guys. I will say this case has been solid. Last one here, guys. Here we go. Michael Harris, orange. How about that? One out of 25. And that Braves is going to Charles. And then we got Starling Marte for the Mets. Mets that is going to Howard. Strawberry. Gold. We got Ian Hap to 99.  We just had some really, really nice cards here out of 50. Jesus. No problem, Oliver. I just closed the doors on time so that the AC gets colder in here. That's all. Also, Parazza and Travis. Turn off the Braves. Oh my God. Oh, Jesus. We're going to save this card, guys. Oh my God. I just peeked up the color. That is, that is a monster. All right, well, once you guys see that card right now, guys, you guys will say this is probably one of the better cases you've seen. All right, let's fill it out with this one. We're going to save that one for last. Nessar Cortez for the Yanks. Uncirculated. Got a new cruise for the Pirates at a 75. Pirates is Julian. And then we got Madras for the Astros. Another one there for Michael and the Astros. We got a Robbie Ray for the Mariners. Angel. And then Devin Williams. Nice one there for the Brewers Red out of five. Brewers is John. All right, guys. Well, here we go. I've seen the color. It should be what I think it is. And yeah, here we go. Corbin, Carol, autograph, black. One of one. Product kit right there. Product kit. One of one, Corbin, Carol. Going to the Diamondbacks. Be rough. Oh my God. That is massive. There you go. That's the way to end the break, guys. Go. You can have your Joe Train whistle.  The big hit express. And just like that, folks, that was the break. Very, very solid case, guys. Like I said, we had a lot of reds. A lot of going, going gongs. Like gold and stuff like that. Just a ton of nice stuff, guys. Ton of nice stuff. You go to our website, BRUP. You hit the support button and then you let us know exactly what you want to try to do. But a lot of nice going, going gongs. Let's do a quick recap really quick. There's that James Altman. There's a button right at the bottom right corner or left corner of our website that says support. Jordan Walker Orange. Can't forget about that. He had an orange going, going gong right here as well. Your done. As well as like a gold. Francis Glover's going, going gong. Orange Michael Harris. And then Josh Jung Red out of five. Mike Piata going, going on gold. And then Tom Glavin. Look at that. Look how much stuff we got, guys. A lot of beautiful stuff here, guys. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you guys so much. This was Pikachu number seven. Like I said, I'm still waiting on a text, but I think I might just post it right now once I get a chance during my lunch break. So, appreciate it, guys. Jaspy's casebreaks.com.


What's good y'all Chris from jaspyscasebrakes.com doing 2023 Panini Immaculate Baseball first off the line One box break random division number nine first box more fresh case six spots every spot is a random division in the MLB AL East Central West and L East Central and West. Let's do it though six spots Ryan David TJ Chadbury and Eric Thanks again y'all including this going going and our six divisions across two leagues for the dice and randomized for the divisions Five and four nine times. Thanks y'all for luck one two three four five six seven eight and nine David down to Eric with the last spot mojo nine for our divisions luck one two three four five six seven eight and nine ninth and final time and NL West down to AL West I'll leave the trade window open for a little bit see if anybody wants to rock on anything, but for now Let's see how it all shook out So Barry with the AL Central Chad with the AL East and Eric with the AL West the last Bob Mojo Brian with the NL Central TJ with the NL East and David with the NL West All right possibly real quick not gonna be too long when we come back We'll randomize which box we're doing and rip that box first off on a macio baseball. Thanks y'all ERB All right, we're back. We're good. No trade with discussion. So we're gonna be good to go. Let's switch screens real quick There we are Barry with the AL Central and David with the NL West so full eight box case The way I'll do it is we'll separate the eight boxes into two four box cases We'll roll the dice for left or right side and then we'll roll the dice for one through four Fives and sixes All right, so one two and three for the left four five six for the right It is a two so left side it is One box and we'll decide which box we're doing so one two three and four for the corresponding box Where we roll on a five and a six It is a one box one Right here first off the line sticker To the side Right and for the people who are interested in seven teams left in the diamond icons we're gonna throw into an RV But here we go First off the line a mac you at baseball. Thanks again everyone good luck I'm gonna upload number ten. We're done with this as well So it's pretty thick here to see a plate I see a thick I see some nice stuff one two All right, let's get started. Good luck everyone first up Ken Griffey junior on the Jersey relics six out of eight that first off the line pink for the AL West It's gonna go to area last spot mojo Next up is another one for the marriage. It's gonna be Gabriel Gonzalez a little low on the same there 90 out of 99 for a four color relic And on it Eric double-dipping on the AL West Next up is a thickie here Wow one of one Kyle Harrison Queens heel love a little new balance baseball red light One of one Kyle Harrison one of the Giants top-pitching prospects going to the NOS and David. I Got my new balances on right now, too. Hey Little NB heat Go into David One of one nice hit next up is One more for the NLS Samuel Savala one out of eight. Look at that patch a little piece of the fryer right there That is dope David double dips the west side connection over here, man Popping off this also might be yeah, it's also want to be A slider box It's an awesome patch, man One of about eight other first off the line pink right there. I've got a printing plate coming up It's Evan Carter. Wow Another one-on-one printing plate on the three color patch and I was already had a pretty nice post season And again, I think another slider box man What a great first box of this case Evan Carter for the N for the AL West One more for Eric Very very nice and the last hit a long boy Wow, Arizona Jordan Waller 13 out of 15 jumbo jacket signature West side connection man. That's crazy One more for the NL West. It's one more for David AL West and NLS ruled this box 13 out of 15 on the Jordan Waller What a box All right, there it is folks just like that We're gonna quick and easy. Thanks again everyone number 10 going up on the site right now at jashescasebreaks.com. Thanks again. Bye. Bye


How did you become the real Nate Offert? You're so funny. At least we didn't start like the other one we started where we said, I lie, I lie. I was doing it with Pete. Yeah, exactly. Dude, you know what I'm excited to talk to you about, okay, is you throw one of the coolest training events in the insurance industry. Appreciate that. I'm honored to be a part of it. You allowed me to speak. You allowed me to sit there and learn from you, which I love, man. I believe you can learn something from any person, any time, especially if their name is Nate Offert, which helps, all right? Why, for those watching, okay? What, like why you, okay? If they're thinking about attending SWAT in Dallas, because that's what we're talking about today. It's in Dallas, it's in April. Give some more information about that, but also why should they care? I mean, honestly, right? Yeah, when you put it on me, I would say I'm not that important. It's not about why go to SWAT because of Nate Offert. What SWAT is is strategic wealth accumulation tactics, Cody. And how I came up with that name was is because a mentor came in my life in my 20s and a lot of people heard me tell the story and he started to make me realize so many things that I was taught and the beliefs that I had weren't even my own beliefs and most of them were wrong, right? He talked a lot about we spent 14,000 hours in school from kindergarten to the 12th grade learning math, science, English, history over and over and over again, right? And then we thought maybe get to high school, we get success and then we learned math became calculus and history became social studies and science became chemistry, right? And I thought, well, maybe college is where I'm gonna learn where the real keys of success are and they weren't there either. So 14,000 hours and I remember him saying, Nate, how many hours did they ever teach you in terms of how to have a successful relationship? Yep. I'm thinking zero.  How many hours do we have on raising children? He said, you need a license to shoot a gun, license to drive a car, license to fish, license to have a motorcycle, but anyone can have a kid. And he said, how many hours do you have on finances and how to learn to multiply your income and your money?  And if you think about life, what are the most important things about life? Family, relationships and money. Yep. And I know some people argue, well, money doesn't buy, you know, money doesn't buy health. Well, I'm a fair one, right? Money doesn't buy happiness. Well, I disagree with that because I never seen a bunch of people in a jet ski pissed off and not happy. Right?  Right? I've never seen someone go to a vacation and cry when they got there because this is awful, this beautiful beach and this beautiful. So money buys happiness, it just doesn't buy fulfillment. Does that make sense? Yes. And without money, it really is tough to really focus on spiritual, physical, mental, social and all these other things because every decision in our life is about money. You know, you go to the grocery store, which is cheaper. Shopping at Walmart or going to Whole Foods. When you go to the doctor, you walk in and right there, it says all services must be paid in full. The four is receiving treatment. So money does buy health, health care, the quality of it. Money does buy happiness, right? So all these different trivial things that we were taught growing up, I started to realize that a lot of these beliefs were instilled in me by broke people. And I just met someone that was earning a million dollars a week. So getting around someone like that and the information that he, I got to work with him for a decade, right? And so Nate Offert is a college dropout waiter. I was in Chick-fil-A working, I was the guy in the chicken suit at the mall in high school handing samples out to people. That's Nate Offert, right? How do you get to a million? How does someone get to a million bucks a week, man? Like that's what I'm, that's what, how do we get there? Cause that's what I'm pushing for, right? Like I'm on this personal challenge where I'm trying to raise a million bucks in 31 days and we're over, we're over six figures the last four days. Okay, so we're doing okay, but I'm not, I'm falling a little far behind, right? And so what I'm excited about is April 20th, those are just not joining us. April 22nd, 23rd, 24th, Nate is putting on his SWAT training event. It stands for strategic, I like strategy. Well, who doesn't love flipping money? Accumulation, I love to accumulate stuff and tactics. I like to know the tactics of how the wealthy are getting wealthy. And there is, like for those people listening, like there is strategy and tactics behind getting extremely wealthy. Whether you realize it or not, Nate has strategies and tactics of how he has became incredibly wealthy, has, has, has, has ridiculous amounts of money, has an amazing home, okay, amazing family. And maybe he's going to teach and share that with us. All right, so you can see the link below. If at any point today you're like, okay, I have interest in this SWAT training event in April with Nate and Cody and others in, in, in Dallas. The link is below SWATtraining.info forward slash Cody Askins. You have to hit that. You have to check that out because I want to meet you guys.  What kind of strategies on wealth and accumulation can they expect to receive when it comes to the tactics? Well, I'm getting goosebumps here because surprise, I wasn't going to really let out of the bag, but I had- Let it out now. No, I'm not going to let it out. I had a conversation with my mentor on Sunday for about three and a half hours.  And he'd take the thimble and dump in the shot glass. It turns like this much water. But then they start getting wealth and knowledge and then he started pouring water into the shot glass. And he said, even though that shot glass is full, how full are they compared to a regular glass? He dumped the water in there and there's only this. But then he'd go to training, they learned the wealth and knowledge. He said, when the student's ready, the teacher will appear. And then he'd fill up the glass. He goes, and how full are they? And then he pulled up this big bucket compared to the bucket. And he said, the problem is the student's never happy until they can beat the master, which happens a lot in karate and different things in that nature. And he said, just remember, when you think you're filled up, there's always more in the bucket.  And it was pretty awesome because I had a four hour conversation with him. And I got off that phone and I was just like, I sat there for probably 20 minutes going, oh my God, in four hours, I just learned more from him than I learned in 10 years of working with him. And I wrote in this big long text and he said, remember I said, I'll never teach what's in the bucket? I said, yesterday it goes, what you got today is part of what's in the bucket.  Can I share some of this stuff? He goes, absolutely. And I'm like, whoa, so I had a bunch of stuff planned but I got some really other big, big things planned. And he's actually gonna be involved behind the scenes and eventually even, I think we're gonna have a chance for some people to actually have a chance to hear from him, meet him or even get some coaching from him. But so I'm fired up about that. Like I thought that was possible. What kind of money does that cost for me to get to hang out with a million dollar a week, man? Where do I send it out? Where do I send it to Jack, Nate? We haven't figured that out yet. So the two things that- If we had to figure it out, where would I, how much would it be and where would I send it? If we figured it out right now.  If we had to.  I'll- What does the swing and deal mean?  I talk about you a lot. He's very impressed with what you've accomplished at such an early young age.  But two things, we'll keep this short because no one wants to watch an hour live video, right? And so- I think they do though. I don't know though. They may prove us wrong in comments and they may love listening to an offer. You don't know, right? You don't know. Come on now. There you go. There you go. Two things that we're really gonna focus a lot on which you'll see me. If you go to SWATtraining.info, forward slash learn more. SWATtraining.info, instead of going to Cody Askin, go to Learn More. And obviously you're gonna get discounted tickets at Cody Askins. But Learn More, there's a video where I could probably dump that video on your page. So I'll just do that when we get done here. It's about a seven minute video that explains exactly some of the things that you're asking about with SWAT. So if you go to SWATtraining.info, forward slash Cody Askins when we're done here, I'll pop this video on there so that you can stay on the same page. But I talk about this a lot because it was never taught to me. And what I didn't realize is that what I want not everyone else wants. I think most of you guys are smart enough to know that.  Cause they don't like cherry cheesecake. I went, oh, that makes sense. Trying to fish for marlin in the ocean, you're not using a T bone steak, even though you like T bone steak. And I went, oh, okay. So for years that went around trying to recruit and all I did was try to catch the fish with the bait that I liked. Okay, so I think most of you guys are a step ahead of me. So good for you. You already know that not everyone likes what you like. But then he said, well, how do you know what they like so you know what bait to put out? I don't know. He said, oh, you didn't have that in math class, Nate. They didn't teach you that during your library time or whatever it was. I said, no, they never taught me that.  Boom. In two hours, he taught me how to take that information and plant it into your subconscious mind so it becomes a part of you. I would challenge you to think when you meet somebody, you're not thinking about one of those quadrants that they're in, what color they are, right, Cody? Not skin color. I'm talking about, hey, that person's A and I don't like to talk. You gotta be, Spookle, can I watch it online? Can I read a book? It's an immersion process. I can't implant things in a subconscious mind while you're reading a book. So when you leave there, literally in less than 30 seconds or less, most of the time I would say, Cody, you can identify how to deliver information to them in a way that they understand it. In their language that motivates them where they don't confuse the message with the messenger and most importantly, implement it and take action. So what do we wanna do when we're selling? We want them to implement and take action, understand, take action, not confuse the message with the messenger, take action. If someone fills out a lead, they already want the product. The challenge is we get in the way, right? So recruiting, what do we want them to do? See the opportunity, understand it, be motivated by, implement it and take action.  That's where I went from being broke to making millions of dollars. That's where I went from millions of dollars in network marketing, to millions of dollars in the insurance, or credit card processing business, to millions of dollars in the insurance business. That skill changed my life because now I have the ability to communicate, I'm not perfect, I still struggle and sometimes I get it wrong, but I can communicate to somebody in the way they wanna be communicated in so that I am able to get the result that I'm looking for. So you can expect that, two hour training on that. I can't hear you. You're gonna share that it's SWAT, right? Yes. Okay, good. So those just now joining us, right? This is my buddy Nate Offert. He's probably got massive stacks of cash. Oh, I thought you were grabbing cash. I'm gonna talk about what else, one of the other things. Nate is in Dallas, right? He's got an event called SWAT Training, which is Strategic Wealth Accumulation Tactics, it's April 22nd through the 24th in actual Dallas, Texas, I guess Plano, just outside of Texas.  It's gonna be incredible, amazing. I would love to meet each and every one of you there. Okay, you're gonna learn some of the things that Nate's talking about right now. You're gonna learn those in depth, right? This isn't like a raw, raw deal. He's probably gonna throw me up and say, okay, here's what I want you to train on from our curriculum for the next few minutes, right? Like that's how it goes. Like the dude's in full control, it's work, which is good because it's workshop style, right? Like it's not gonna be me getting up saying, go knock on doors.  So make sure that you hit that link, SWATtraining.info.com, that's a discounted link for people that I love, okay? So if you love me and I love you, then you can use the link. If you don't like me or I don't like you, then you can't use the link, okay? Is that fair? And you have a discounted pricing because the investment that you've put into me, the investment you put into the training, the investment you put in, time, money, you know, I'm just grateful to have a relationship with you. And what's funny is another thing we're gonna do, which I've never done, and I actually have the card here, I think you've seen it where I've already put into existence the day I met you, wish you could read it when I wrote it, maybe you can read it or not. Yeah, yeah, we can read it. I love the relationship I developed with Cody Askins in 2020. It's incredible the things we are doing to help the insurance agents. The day I met you, I wrote this card down. That was in 2019, getting chills. I love the relationship I developed with Cody Askins in 2020. It's incredible the things we are doing together to help insurance agents. So people go, well, what's so significant about that? Well, there's gonna be, we're gonna have the final thing that we're gonna do on Saturday, which most people have never done, is we're gonna do what's called a blueprint your life. And it sounds kind of like, well, blueprint your life. It's not goal setting, it's blueprint your life. Most people put more time and energy in picking out a birthday present, my mentor told me, than they do designing a life.  And if you think about it, and I had to think about it, and he asked a really tough question, he goes, how many of you in this room sat down and planned out your life? And guilty, I never did. And he said, that's about as dumb as getting in the car on Monday morning, and just start driving.  I don't know, what do you mean you don't know? I'm just driving. He said, most people in their life are just driving. They don't have a port, they don't know where they're going, they don't have a destination, and they don't know how to get there. So his curriculum again, and we're not gonna go through all the details of it, but this is one of the details of it where it's not about just money, I have financial goals, spiritual goals, social goals, physical goals, one recently, I feel great and look great now that I'm down to 215 pounds for the SWAT training. The amount of weight I've been losing makes me feel healthier and I have more energy. Well, I'm 15 pounds down. But I forget this stuff, I forget this stuff. I've been trying to lose weight for a year and I'm like, why don't I have a blue card written on this subconscious guys, he teaches how this based upon the curriculum will actually program your subconscious mind to act as if something has already happened. And this is not just the card, you're not gonna get it just from the watching this, when you go through this, you understand it so that it goes to work when you're sleeping, when you're awake unconsciously to accomplish what it thinks has already been done and it will happen. And so I did it, I got five more to go. It's like I think, why are writing like, I have a bunch of them, I'm not sure why I don't have thousands of them, I mean, even though I know this stuff and know how to hack the subconscious mind and you saw the whole thing about the house, we'll talk about that, I'm not gonna get that away either but how house crazy is that? With the picture, with the blue card and moving into the house. So we're gonna do a blueprint your life, which is something that's most people's never done and it's just gonna be that alone's life changing and the fact of how to communicate with people or life changing and how to recruit and build a sales team. A lot of you guys, you're gonna be a lot of part of that. So what's really cool about the two hour session that we did last time you had, we're gonna take a break after that, we're gonna come back and then we're gonna spend another two hours, live examples. And you're gonna be involved in that and Marlon will be involved in that where you're in the office, so this happens based on this, how do you handle Cody go?  So it's gonna be very, very hands-on. So I'm super fired up about this and it's not, again, it's not about me. I'm surrounding myself with some incredible power players like yourself, that's why you're there.  I can't hang around you too much, I start feeling down on myself, right? He's incredible at mortgage action, but he also, he's gonna be doing a workshop on referrals, which I'm fired up about, where he's gonna be on the live stage, he's gonna have a separate workshop on that. Justin Brock, I mean, there's not enough to say about him, so there's gonna be something for everybody, you know, in and workshops outside of the actual main conference there.  I can't tell you how frustrating it is, Cody, to go places and leave there excited, but you don't have anything to really apply. Yep. It helps, it's needed, it's a part, but when you're gonna leave excited and you have the vehicle to take the information that you learn and apply it, that's way different. That's right. It's way different. Yeah, so true, so good, man. I got about four or five more minutes. I'm so excited for, Sarah's excited. I love it. Hello, Sarah. I'm excited for you guys to get to this event, to spend some time with Nate and myself at his, what is it, six or 7,000 square foot mansion there in the state, offered a state, is it something like that? We're doing a party in the garage, we're doing old school, a kegger in the garage, so. Okay. Yeah, while we hit golf balls into the simulator, while we look at the McLaren, right? There you go, there you go. We'll pull the McLaren out to make more room for the 170 people, so that's limited. So talk about your tickets real quick, but we'll finalize this because, and I'll pull up, I don't know if you can share your screen or I can, I can just talk about the tickets real quick, but going back to my Chick-fil-A days, right? If you think about it, why is it when they put me out there making $4.25 an hour minimum wage, did they not give me a whole sandwich to hand out to people? I had a little what, sample, I had a sample. Why? Because they were smart enough to realize if I gave you the whole sandwich, they would grab the sandwich, eat the sandwich and keep going, but if they got a sample and they ate it and bit into it and they liked it, what's the good chance of them going in line, getting in line to buy a sandwich, right?  Relationship-wise with my wife, checked it off the list. Physical, I've got a little bit of work to do on and some other things to do on and I don't mind getting to a higher level on financial, but these things that I was taught, right? Is going to be a sample of what's more to come because I'm hitching my wagon to you because I believe in your mission and my mission's changed since I've met you, Cody, whereas money's not really the motivator anymore and I watched a clip of you the other day talking about that, saying you didn't share it, but like, I want us all to win. I don't make money off what you do. That's okay with me. If I don't make money on your organization, that's okay with me. But man, we are creating a revolution in the insurance industry, not just Cody and I, but a handful of people to make all of us be winners. To go out there where there's millions, I believe out of 270 million, there's at least 200 million people that need our products that are out there in the insurance industry. All 270 need it because the kids are affected as well. So there's a plenty of money to go around. So what if we had this army of people that were trained assassins to go protect families, whether it be in healthcare insurance or property, casualty insurance, whether it be in life. In any insurance industry, it's needed to ensure the well-being of that family and their future generations. And that's why I'm excited to lock arms with you, Cody, because I'm getting part of that mission to how many insurance agents' lives can we change and how quickly can we do it?  You're gonna get that sample at the SWAT. And hopefully it opens up your mind to a whole bigger world, what's to come, because that sandwich of success, so to speak, is gonna be mighty tasty. So that's gonna be exciting. So I'd go to that link. There's three ticket prices. I don't wanna say this online because if someone has to actually buy a regular ticket, yeah, everyone's gonna go buy your tickets for you. That's all right. General ticket gets you in the door. Sells for $3.59. He's got a discount for $250. Get you in the door, general ticket. VIP, VIP, sells for $600. I think you got it for $4.99. Discount on there. VIP, VIP table, VIP registration, VIP lunch with Cody, all the speakers, your VIP treatment, right? And then we have a special ops ticket, which I just went to Tyler, I'm sorry. I just went to Perry Lunsford's office and we had 35 people there and we talked for 10 minutes and we sold 30 tickets to the event. And we sold four more special ops tickets. So they're limited.  You have a private entrance. You have a private seat right on stage, basically. You could like this far off. You have a lounge throughout the entire event stacked with food. You know how we take breaks every hour, hour and a half it's moving. You go to the break, boom. Coffee, soda, food, boom. Come back in the room. You have the VIP lunch. You had the dinner. We rented out the sushi marquee. We rented out the patio, which is bad book to bone. And it turns like you do a nightclub at 9.30 night, but not really a nightclub. Just awesome energy and music and boom. And we're gonna have fellowship mastermind there. And then after the event on Saturday night, we're gonna do a, we're doing a mastermind at my house party. We have a DJ. We're going all out on this one. So we have a catered food, dinner, DJ, golfing in the backyard, golf in the garage. That's going, that's like a $3,000 ticket. It's selling for 2,000. You have a discount for 1500 bucks. But there's literally, Cody, this is not a sales pitch. There's literally maybe six of those left now. Yeah. And this is gonna sell out guys. Although the mask mandate has been lifted, we are still following CDC guidelines according to the hotel, right? It's gonna sell out because we can only pack so many people in that room, right? Yeah. And we are gonna be conscious for those to have a concern, you can force your concern and we'll have social distancing and measures in place and masks and, you know, hand sanitizer. So, but the hotel is limiting our seating, Cody. Unfortunately, I thought we could have up to, you know, 800 people there. They're limiting it down to like 350. And we already got close to that amount of tickets sold. So this is gonna, this is gonna, that's in a month, April 22nd, 24th. So it's gonna sell out. So get in now, hang out with us. You won't be, you won't be sorry. And the last thing I'll tell you is you gotta go. Okay. I don't know if I should do, I'm gonna do this. Do it anyway. Do it anyway. You should do it anyway. If you go, right? I may never do this again. Cause I've done this a lot and there's 354 or 500 people there, whatever it's gonna end up being. If you go and make this investment, I get it, it's an investment.  And if you don't get your money's worth or 10 times your money's worth, which just basically means this was great, sort of, but not for me. I didn't get my money's worth. I think it was over-hyped. I don't think you deliver on what you said you're gonna deliver on. Come up to my assistant or myself Sunday night, we'll scratch you a check or Venmo you the money or Zella, we'll return all of your expenses to the event outside just the ticket price. So you can leave feeling like, hey, thanks for coming, wasn't for you. I wish you never could come back because why would you do that and then come back? But there's, I wanna make it to where it's not a profit-ability decision. It's just a decision, do I wanna invest myself to change my life? And if I do and I don't, it's not what I thought it was, I lost nothing. So I wanna make that for you guys, anyone who registers at SWAT training.info4.com slash Cody Askins, let's be clear about this. If that happens, then you will wipe the slate clean and you can move along your way and you lost nothing, you gotta hang around some really awesome people for a weekend, so. Boom, I love it, dude.  Get to SWAT training.info4.com slash Cody Askins, hang out with Nate and I at April 22nd to the 24th in Dallas. Don't miss this event, okay?  This is the event for you, okay? Nate, appreciate you putting it on. Thanks for letting me be a part of it. For those watching, hit the link. I'm gonna spend time with you next month.  The question is, do you wanna win, okay? Do you wanna win? Appreciate you, buddy. See you guys there. Thank you. See you guys in Dallas. Let's go.


Hey guys, I'm out in the woods today. I'm taking in a little bit of nature this weekend trying to relax take it easy Basically just trying to take it a little slower here in the last week or so mainly because there for a few days I was under the weather. I was a bit sick and then getting over the illness I felt like you know, I needed to take a little bit of a break been been pushing it a little hard So I'm walking around in the woods today and I did want to make this bayou boomer vlog here today Basically because I've been getting a lot of new to Linux users A lot of you guys are switching from windows coming over to Linux because you've seen some of my videos But when you get here, you're having problems and especially people keep asking me about hardware compatibility Especially they buy these pieces of equipment these really cool pieces of equipment that don't have Linux drivers And you guys are wondering Why that's the case and you know, it's just gonna always be a problem And it's one of the things that you have to understand as a Linux user compared to being a Windows user Is we're a much smaller market share as far as desktop market share So therefore you can't just go buy any piece of computer equipment any peripheral and think it's gonna actually work for you You have to be careful You actually have to check before you buy something and make sure that it actually supports Linux that it has a Linux driver because when you buy a piece of hardware that hardware only works when you plug it into your computer If there's a driver if there's that company made a driver Which is a piece of software that makes that thing work on that computer using that operating system and unfortunately a lot of these Companies that you know make things like printers and RGB devices You know keyboards mouse that have the RGB lighting that a lot of the gamers You know none of that stuff works on Linux and the reason it doesn't work is because That stuff requires drivers and these companies that make these kinds of devices typically they don't write Linux drivers You won't find a Linux driver for these devices and you have to be careful It's one of those things as a Linux user I learned a long time ago when I first switched I had the exact same problem when I switched to Linux about 13 14 years ago the printer I had at the time was a Canon printer didn't have a Linux driver So when I switched from Windows to Linux my Canon printer became a paperweight Without a driver it'll never work and I wasn't gonna run Windows anymore I wasn't gonna run Windows just to have that printer I went and bought a new printer and at the time, you know, I knew Canon was a problem I knew Lexmark was a problem typically you wouldn't find Linux drivers for your Lexmark printers and people I asked the community they all went to Linux forums and asked hey What printers actually support Linux and people recommended things like Epson Brother those two companies have pretty good Linux support and what I found was HP Hewlett Packard They make printers and all of their printers that I've ever seen in a store support Linux because I pick up the box I look on the back and you know, it says you know supports Windows Mac and Linux You'll find you know like the Windows logo you'll find the little tux logo on it as well That's so cool to go to a store and see products by a big company that actually support Linux out of the box And because Hewlett Packard does that I buy HP products all the time not just printers where it's a big deal but you know things that normally you don't have to worry about drivers for like a USB external drives or USB CD-ROM drives DVD drives You know that stuff you never have to worry about all that stuff plugs in and works just fine Doesn't matter who makes it what brand all of that stuff works on Linux But I still purposely go and buy HP where I can because they support Linux, right? And that's what I want you guys to start doing start supporting the companies that support us Some of the other things that are problems I mentioned RGB devices because I've gotten people asking me about these RGB You know these keyboards and mouse that have you know the fancy lighting and everything because they're geared toward gamers Right they market these things to gamers now this RGB lighting stuff doesn't really serve a function. It's nice It's pretty but it doesn't really make a keyboard or a mouse actually do anything special, right? but the problem is they market this stuff to to gamers and You know all the gaming really I mean gamers use Windows That's still kind of the truth is if you're a hardcore PC gamer you're running Windows So typically these devices only have Windows drivers now keyboard and mouse just the standard functionality of those devices You know using a keyboard to type you don't have to worry about that You can go buy a RGB keyboard and plug it into your Linux machine and it will function as a keyboard You're never gonna get the lighting to work though. So unfortunately as one of those things you have to be really careful I would just say you know 95% of the time when you buy a RGB device You're not gonna get those lights to work the way because again There's drivers run that stuff and drivers are usually needed to flash the firmware and change the settings We want to change the colors or how the lights are displayed and things like that all that stuff Probably written to for Windows only it's not written typically even for Mac definitely not for Linux So I don't want to be a Debbie downer as far as you know telling you guys that like these RGB devices that you're just wasting your Time on Linux don't buy them. But honestly, yeah, I suggest just don't even try and to buy those devices If you already have them because you had them on Windows just know Yeah, they're probably not gonna work on Linux another thing people sometimes ask me about is capture devices So video capture cards. This is problematic on Linux because many capture devices Especially the external ones, you know the ones you plug in via USB Typically some of those things require drivers. They require drivers and many of these companies Don't make Linux drivers for those capture devices So when I make my videos and in the office that I have to capture cards that I use because I know they work on Linux One of them is a Elgato Cam link the Elgato Cam link is just a USB plug-and-play device It's a you it looks like a really oversized USB stick you plug it into the computer in a USB 3 slot and on the back of that It has a HDMI Output as well. So you can plug in a HDMI cable to capture your camera. So that's what I use is the Elgato Cam link I also have a Magewell capture card a Magewell I forget the exact name of it But Magewell is a company that actively supports links if you look at any of the Magewell products They support Linux. They're one of the only companies that's really out there making capture cards and capture devices That I can say pretty much anything you buy from them will work on Linux. Everybody else is iffy even Elgato even though the Cam link works on Linux many of their other capture cards Most of them require drivers. They only have Windows drivers. So again I like to buy Magewell when I can because they support Linux I like supporting the companies that support us. Anyway, this is just a random not like a backyard boomer vlog Although today, I'm not in my backyard. I'm actually walking around kind of in the woods here get this Buy you behind me. There's actually alligators Actually saw a rather large alligator swimming out there earlier I should have got that on camera But it's one of those things guys, you know, it's it's different when you come to Linux You do have to have a different kind of mentality and again Just check on the things that you buy as far as compatibility It's really easy to do a quick Google search for whatever you're buying if you're buying some kind of capture card or RGB keyboard or something Put the name of that in Google and add the word Linux to it And you'll find out really quickly if anybody on Linux is actually being able to run that thing If you don't get any kind of search results return, I would say avoid buying that product It probably means it's just not gonna work for you. Anyway guys peace