Live from Las Vegas, Nevada, it's theCUBE covering EMC World 2015, brought to you by EMC, Brocade and VCE. Hey welcome back everyone, Jeff Frick here with theCUBE, we're at VM, excuse me EMC World, we'll be at VM World later this summer, right in the middle of our tour. This is EMC World 2015, our sixth year bringing theCUBE here, that's where theCUBE really got its start six years ago, we've got two cubes, we've got a ton of gas so we're going to jump right into it. I'm joining this next segment, I'm my co-host Steve Chambers, hi Steve. Hi Jeff, how are you doing? I'm not surprised I mentioned VMWare, we've seen a lot of VMWare today, a key part of the Federation and it's Federation Day. Pat Gelsinger will be on soon I believe. We've been sort of stormtroopers this morning, which was really good, but it gives me great pleasure to give a warm welcome to Adam Wood today, he's the director of IT from Heritage Auctions, welcome, could you start by telling us a bit about yourself and Heritage as a business? Sure, so Heritage is the third largest auction house in the world, huge online presence, our website www.ha.com, we have a live bidding platform there that we were one of the first I think to market with that, it's patent pending of course, but we auction all kinds of really cool collectibles from TRX, skeletons, coins, comic books, wine, when you name it, we probably auction it, really high in stuff and a really exciting place to work. It sounds like eBay, is it different from eBay? A little more higher than eBay, we focus on the high end, so a hundred thousand dollar handbags for example, or a TRX skeleton for a million dollars. Wow, a TRX skeleton? A TRX skeleton, that's really cool stuff, but imagine putting that in your foyer, it's pretty sweet, but you know we auction all kinds of stuff, or the number one in coins, currency, comics, always something cool, we get some moon landing stuff, I learned that you can't actually sell a piece of the moon, that all belongs to Uncle Sam there, but anything else like life support straps, sounds kind of boring, but it's got moon dust on it, so that makes it pretty cool. Right, right, it's like 900 billion dollars, right, so you guys are big? Yeah, just under a billion, just last year, yeah, we were so close, but still a huge milestone for us, and we're starting off this year pretty strong. So let's try and find that link then between the business and the IT, and then we'll get into some detail about some of the pain points that you've been through, it's great to show those, because everybody always finds those interesting. We're super fortunate, we've got an owner who's a big believer in IT, we have that live bidding platform that we've had for quite a while, and that's really propelled us, and what's helped us become the third largest auction house in the world, and so with that backing, we're able to get the best in compute, in network, in storage, and all this technology, all of our apps are custom written, we have a huge application development team, and actually that actually ended up being one of the pain points, because we've developed all these apps. We've got 200 plus internal apps, and as time goes on, we're always adding more and more apps, everybody wants new features, all this stuff, and we're wondering how do we improve the performance all that we're using, and we don't have the time or the resources to go back and rewrite 200 apps, you know, that's hundreds and hundreds of hours of our application development time.  So we went from a VMAX, which when we got it, I mean, it's a huge upgrade from what we have before, incredibly stable, but you can't compete with all flash. I mean, it's just it knocks it out of the party extreme my oh, it's just an incredible product. So we'll come to the extreme my own a second, but I'm just kind of curious, it's not a business question.  It's a little bit of both. I mean, we have some high pressure options that, you know, we were to go down to be a thing, right? Well, yeah, exactly. We're talking about millions of dollars at a single auction. We were to go down, you know, I'm feeling nervous already, just thinking about that. It's a little nerve wracking, right? You need that reliability and a partner that you can rely on and thankfully, you can see, you know, helps us do that. Yeah, that's cool. There's a thread you hear from from people who are doing well in IT that they're a technology company, even if they're an auction company, they're also a technology company, they do software development. That sounds like, you know, so you're fitting the the mold of that kind of successful, you know, doctor of technology. And it sounds like one of them, and we've heard this a lot this week is extreme my own difference and all flash array makes you tell us a bit about, you know, is it just been the IOPS that you've been interested in? Or has it changed any of the other? I mean, the IOPS are huge. And actually, one of the unexpected benefits, I mean, it makes sense in hindsight, but we had backup windows that were, you know, taking several hours to complete, or maybe not finishing by the time we wanted them to, you know, right before business really kicks off. And one of the side effects we didn't even consider when we moved to all flash was how quickly our backups would complete, you know, those read rates. So the IOPS really helped there, you know, we're getting a lot more throughput. But for us, the driving factor was the latency, you know, like I said, we're highly transactional all of our bids, you know, keeping track all those records and customers and the items and all that stuff. The latency and sequel was, you know, what we're looking to optimize. And, you know, we've got, I think, an average latency of under a millisecond, which it's insane. You know, I mean, it's really awesome. So extreme IOP clearly big benefit for you. But I know you've got the types of storage there and solving different kind of pain. Sure. Yeah. So I mean, that definitely covers our block. But we have huge big data needs. You know, we've got, we keep all of our records forever, including images. So like, those high collectible, a lot of these people are buying our items sight unseen. We're talking $100,000 items, like you need to really, you know, that eBay picture, you know, that's not going to sell it. So we have, you know, high end DSLRs, and we're taking 100 plus made pictures that we keep forever. So you can, for example, buy a coin 10 years ago, and then somebody is listing it for sale, and you can go and look and like, this is what it looked like 10 years ago. Here's where it is today. And, you know, it's zoomed in and it's that incredible fidelity, that high resolution. But that takes a lot of space. So for that, we use Isilon. We've got some other applications, and, you know, things that don't need the transaction speed, but you know, you need capacity. And so we've grown out our Isilon. We've got a five node X 400 series, a little bit over 500 terabytes or so usable after the data protection. And that does all our auction. So you go to our website and all those pan and zoom images and the 3D. Yeah. Yeah. And they add up. And like I said, we keep them forever. So that's just as time goes on, those images get bigger and I got to keep them for longer and longer. I mean, what's capacity fun in light with this thing? You know, you've probably got structured unstructured data and growth. Yeah, it's not too hard.  You know, it's a curve, just like everything else. And it's just painted benefits because I know in early days of flash from the last couple years, right, it had to be a really high value transaction or really, really fast. And if it wasn't in that two in those buckets, maybe you really wasn't worth it economically, but it seems like the adoption of flash is accelerating much faster than anyone anticipated because the benefits are so big across, as you said, in a law of unintended consequences. That's true.  I think that's what everybody looks at at first.  But one of the things we didn't consider was just the reliability. You know, you get a much more reliable system when you don't have those spinning discs failing all the time. And so we're, we're planning it out. And you know, if you're asking like, what's the future holds? And I'm like, you know, I don't know, we could, we could be on Xtreme O for, for 10 years. I don't know that flash is going to last forever. Especially, I think the old days it was presented more of a caching of solutions. You got tons of rights just going in and out of it.  But when you put your whole data center on it, you're not, you don't have those rights. We're not having to clear it all out over and over. So, you know, maybe you're only 20% right. Something like that. And the longevity of that flash is just incredible. Do you kind of ignore it then? Do you put like the Xtreme O in the corner and just kind of, because you've not got those amber lights all the time. You've not got, you know, losing discs. I mean, it almost is like a set it and forget it. You know, you have like a late night. Exactly. But yeah, I mean, it's so easy to manage. I don't really have to worry about it. You know, I don't have dry spilling. I don't get the call from UNC Supports and, hey, sending the technician, you know, technician outside. Oh my God. I don't have to worry about it. What about consumer cloud storage? Yeah, we have a lot of consumer cloud stuff. So we've got, it actually came from outside the company. It was the driving factor. So we had customers or clients sending us images. You know, they also take these big images and they want to know what their items are worth. So they're at home. They take this picture with their smartphone and they send it to us.  You get that 10 meg attachment limit. So they started using Dropbox and they started sending it to us. And it's so easy, you know, today. Like all these applications are for the end user and they're designed to be easy. So I've got my, you know, our internal employees are getting these Dropbox links from outside the company. And so now they're installing Dropbox and now they're seeing the ease of use to have this always connected, always in sync, you know, file storage mechanism. And now they're starting to put sensitive data on there. So that's, you know, that's a risk for me. We've got customer data and a public cloud that I have no control over. I talked to my EMC account team and they said, hey, why don't you check out Synplicity? It ties into your existing ISO on, you can store it on prem and you get all the same benefits. Like, that's really compelling. So we had a small group in the office, just my network team and we piloted it out, you know, and it was a great replacement for Dropbox and we rolled it out company-wide and we don't have that issue. It's a great story. I think we're running out of time, unfortunately, because I mean, I mean, you're using three important pieces there, right? And they're clearly helping you out, which is good. The pressure of the business with those transactions and the cost. There's enough to worry about, right? You've got new apps.  You're not innovating, you're dying. I mean, you've got to stay on top. Brilliant. I'd like to thank you. Jeff, what's your summary of that? Thanks for sharing your story. I guess the last thing I was going to ask you is now that you've had some experience with Flash and you said you were developing 200 applications, you said, how has that now changed your application development strategy going forward now that you've got horsepower that you formally didn't? Or has it really? If anything, it's probably made my application developers, you know, a little less eager to optimize. They might be a little spoiled. All right. Well, Adam, thanks for sharing your story. Director of IT Heritage Auctions, almost a billion dollar auction house. You can buy yourself a T-Rex skeleton. Cool million, you said? Cool million. Cool million. Just go house, you know. Exactly. There you go. I get the head. Who gets the skull, though? All right. Thanks for watching. Jeff Rick here at EMC World 2015. We'll be back with our next guest after this short break.


Over the years, Mark Ruffalo has had his fair share of celebs style cribs. These include a stunning town home in Brooklyn, New York, and a Hollywood Hills estate that was more on the modest side but ended up selling to another actress after some years. These days, Mark prefers to live a lower key lifestyle in a New York farm town with his family near the Delaware River. Also Mike Lennon dropped our very own house tour of our new home we moved into earlier this year, so go ahead and subscribe to our personal channel if you want to see where we're living and more of what we're actually up to. Oh, and once you watch, let me know what you think of our home. In these videos, we don't reveal any addresses and even though I've done a house tour of my own place, please do not show up at any private residences because it's not safe for anyone. Mark Ruffalo is an American actor who's had one of the longest and most successful stretches of consistency in recent Hollywood history. Known for his number of critically acclaimed roles in films like Zodiacs, Spotlight and Shutter Island, Mark is also famous for portraying Dr. Bruce Banner for the MCU in films like Avengers and Thor Ragnarok. And while starring in the biggest blockbuster movie franchise in Hollywood history might have you thinking that Mark is your typical everyday superstar, he's really anything but. Most of the time, Mark stays hidden well away from the spotlight by living in an unconventional place with his wife and three kids, a blue collar farming community located in an upstate New York town known as Calicoon. However, in the past, Mark has owned a couple other homes that were less off the grid. For instance, in 2015, he bought a 19th century townhouse located in Brooklyn, New York. In part to that, at what was more or less the offset of his career, he owned a quaint Hollywood Hills house that he bought for 1.65 million dollars. He would live here for 5 years before offloading it to actress Zoe Deschanel. Hey guys, it's Kara the Vampire Slayer back with another exclusive house tour here on Famous Entertainment, today looking at where Mark Ruffalo calls home. Don't forget to like, subscribe and hit me up on Instagram to chat and now let's get into this video. We're gonna begin with Mark's earliest real estate purchase. Back in 2004, he and his wife Sunrise found this single story three bedroom, three bath starter property in the neighborhood of Hollywood Hills, which they then spent 1.65 million dollars on. By far Mark's most glamorous property, this home was originally built in 1933 and boasts a detached guest house just behind the garage. It sits on half an acre of land with just under 3,000 square feet of space inside of the main residence. A long walk up from a gated driveway will bring visitors across the lawn, right up to a shaded courtyard in the home's front door, which back when Mark was living here, had a red surfboard right next to it leaning against the side of the house. Stepping through that colorful red brick patio and into the main house, you'll find a cozy front foyer with some polished hardwood floors. A long hallway connects this entry to a bright and airy living room, which boasts a cross beam ceiling and a massive brick fireplace. Doors located on either side of this formal-looking living room lead out to both the front patio and to a backyard garden. Back in the living room, a set of stairs leads up to the formal dining room, which features a tray ceiling and includes similar access to the exterior spaces. Over in the remodeled kitchen, it offers patterned blue and white tile floors, a hand-crafted stove, as well as white marble countertops with backsplash, and a long butcher block topped center island. There are even some brass faucets and handles to help give the space a chic feel, while not far from there is an elegant corner window lined breakfast banquette that no doubt served Mark well for some family meals while his kids were still very young. Located on the complete opposite end of the home is the colorful and fun master suite that boasts a white painted wood ceiling, crown molding, and leaf patterned wallpaper. The ensuite bath is also charming with its periwinkle, blue walls, and cabinets, as well as its deep spost out marble bath and separate glass frontage shower. Founding out the home's amenities is a sunroom with custom millwork and banquet seating, a recording studio, as well as a library with its very own brick fireplace, alongside built-in bookshelves and seats. I don't know about you guys, but I would have a tough time moving on from a home this nice. And yet, that's exactly what Mark did with his family in 2009. He would sell it to actor Zoe Deschanel for the exact same amount they paid for it in the first place, $1.65 million. By all accounts, Mark decided to sell this home and move his family to a more blue-collar working environment. But before we get to that home, I want to take a look at the Brooklyn townhouse that Mark briefly owned on a couple of years ago. Located in an area known as Carroll Gardens, a low-key brownstone-filled neighborhood that dates back to 1899, Mark's very own townhouse set him back around $3.5 million when he purchased it in 2015. This 16-foot-wide property has been configured as a four-story single-family home with four bedrooms as well as three bathrooms, all rolled up in about 3,200 square feet of space. Built at the turn of the 20th century, this home keeps a number of period architectural details that no doubt interested Mark a great deal when he first bought it. These include hand-carved wood doors, plaster moldings, and ceiling medallions, not to mention several marble mantelpieces. Beyond a cozy and comfy living room, the home also boasts a nice kitchen with marble countertops, a lengthy island, and a host of stainless steel appliances. But perhaps the most notable feature is that it also opens up at the back to a sunroom with some gorgeous-looking French doors. As for the two upper floors, they each have a whole bathroom of their own as well as two good-sized bedrooms each, one of which includes a private balcony while the three other offer decorative marble fireplaces. Of course, being Brooklyn and all, there's not much in the way of exterior spaces. But stairs do lead from that outdoor balcony to the yard down below, where there's a sunny, bluestone paved terrace lined by trees and greenery. However, all the history in this place could only keep Mark interested for so long. Only a year and a half after buying the home, he decided to re-list it and then sold the property at a bit of a loss by only getting $3.1 million in 2017. But to be honest, I don't think that bothered Mark all that much, not only because he was already making Marvel money by that point in time, but also because his heart has always been elsewhere. More specifically, a farming community in what's known as New York's Sullivan County. So let's head there next. Mark and his family spend most of their time living on a 50-acre plot of land in upstate New York, which at one point used to be a dairy farm, and is situated right beside the Delaware River in a town known as Calicoon, which is a population of just under 3,000. Mark and his wife bought this property at a steal for only $280,000 back in 2001 and originally used it as a getaway from Tinseltown. But after selling their family home in Hollywood, they decided to make this their permanent residence. When speaking with Naunus about this decision, Mark told them, the whole guiding idea for living upstate was to simplify. We asked ourselves, what do we need all this for? What is it adding to our lives? What's more, Mark thought it was important that his three children, Keen, Bella and Odette, learned what it was like to live a life outside the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. While speaking with The Guardian, he revealed about his family's neighborhood, it's pretty much a blue-collar community, a farming community. I wanted my kids to have that experience. But Mark and his brood would get more than they bargained for when they came to realize that their home sits on top of the Marcellus shale bed, which is believed to be one of the world's richest sources of hydrocarbons like natural gas and petroleum. With that being the case, oil and gas companies have been lobbying the local government to allow them to frack there, which is something Mark is opposed to. Mark has always been someone who is willing to stand up for the causes that he believes in. And these days, you can find him doing what he can to bring a halt to the expansion of grass drilling. All that being said and considering this is Mark's main family home, details on the interior are practically non-existent. What little we do know of it comes from that same interview with Naunus, where Mark revealed that his home boasts a few amenities, like a vegetable garden, a barn and an eco-friendly guest house. Things we probably could have guessed on our own considering the location and Mark's passions. The most interesting insight he revealed about his family residence is that the front porch has been decorated with a bunch of items that are meaningful to his family. This includes a giant carved bear that was a gift from a local artist and friend named Forrest Meyers. Mark's wife Sunrise took that bear and created what she likes to call a living collage on the family's front porch, with a root chair that was also from a local artist and an old-fashioned milk canister that's been filled with walking sticks. And while this might have been the last place you'd imagine a big-time star like Mark Ruffalo to be living, if you actually take the time to get to know him and his story, it's kind of hard to imagine him living anywhere else. Well that's gonna bring this house tour to a close, so thanks for watching. Be sure to let me know what you thought about Mark's homes in the comments down below, and don't forget to like, subscribe, and ring that bell to turn on your notifications. Follow me on Instagram to chat and I'll see you all in another video. Bye!


Okay. The appointed hour, the appointed hour, five o'clock PM has been reached and I welcome everybody to the meeting of the Amherst Design Review Board. My name is Catherine Porter as chair of the Amherst Design Review Board.  Please indicate that you are here. Tom Long. Present. Okay. Catherine Davis. Erica Zecos. Here. Okay. And Catherine Porter. Okay. Pursuant to Governor Baker's March 22, 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law. GIC 30 a section 18 and the governor's March 15, 2020 order imposing strict limitations on the number of people that may gather in any one place the public hearing of the design Amherst Design Review Board is being conducted via remote participation, no in person attendance of members or the public will be permitted. Also in attendance is Marine Pollock planner and staff liaison to the design review board, the design review board, and it's accompanying zoning regulations were created by the town meeting in October of 1983. The charge and purpose of the design review board under section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural, economic and historical resources by providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use, the appearance of structures and the appearance of sites, which may affect these resources. The design review board examines this responsibility exercises this responsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific overlays zoning districts in the town common, the design review overlay district and the town common design review overlay district design review was also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere in Amherst, which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site. All design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff. Each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel for public viewing. The procedure is as follows, the petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting, after which the board will ask questions for clarification or additional information. Once the board has completed its questions, the board will deliberate. If the board feels it has enough information and time, it will decide upon recommendations for each respective application. Once the board has voted on its recommendations, the staff liaison will type up the recommendations for distribution to the applicant board, applicable land use board and building commissioner. And today we have several petitions, and I think we see them there on board. So, Marine do we have somebody here for DRB FY 2022 dash to zero. Lisa G Kent. Yes, so Lisa I'll make you a panelist one second. I just sent an email to Catherine Davis to see if she's able to join us she might be just running late or, or what have you so I'm going to stop the my screen and if Lisa if you could, I guess turn your screen on and, or share your screen and introduce yourself and show and explain what your proposal includes. I just asked you to mute yourself. I'm, yes, sorry a little bit of technical difficulty on my end. Okay. Now I'm going to do start the video part. Also having trouble with that. That's not good. Let me, let me see what else I can do. If it's possible at all to move to the other applicants was not to waste time. I can share my screen. And so I'm pulling up your application right now so if you are able to explain it so let me. Thank you. Meanwhile I'm trying to get my settings to work. Oh, beautiful. Thank you. Okay. All right. So, yeah, so I am I operate as a solo lawyer I've operated in. I live in Amherst about three blocks away from the property so I was thrilled to find this office so close to my, my, my home I live on chestnut street. I've operated as a lawyer in the state of Massachusetts since 2003, and I primarily had an office in Greenfield with my partner Diane Esser who passed away in 2018 I've kept the name Esser Kent family law and mediation. The property, most of you know it is houses in Mexico Lito restaurant and used to have the yoga center Amherst next door. My external door if you can maybe. Perfect. You were getting to the door. Yeah, I took additional photos so beautiful. Here we go. Here's where the door that you're proposing to further your signage and your entrance way. Correct. Correct. And, and there you have it, the top part of the sign. When I was thinking about putting up a sign.  It looked like it's for sign. So I worked with Sean Cleary at Amherst design copyworks to take my logo and logo type and make that sign. Then on the vinyl, which I don't know if you want to do it. You're doing this far better than I could I just tell you. I thought you had a closer one. That's good. I can zoom in. Oh, if you can zoom into the vinyl then you can see. Yeah, it basically states my contact information and what I, what I do. And it's been really delightful because I've gotten to clients who just happened to be moseying up to get a bite to eat. And, in fact, one is going to come in and find her prenup. So that's, that's about it. The, you know, that that's the signage that I propose to have. And I hope it, it needs mustard. Okay. Is it there already or is it, are you proposing it. Let me tell you if this is kind of an awkward situation. I was not as a lawyer should have known about the design review board requirements. So yes, the answer is yes it is there already. Is it removable. Absolutely. Do I want to remove it. Not so much. I think it's working. It's working well. So this is a question of me kind of retroactively asking for approval. So I did. I'm sorry. And I would say is the door and the, the same color as everything else on that side. It looks like a brown, is it a brown or black and is every setting keeping with the, all of the window frames and doors on that side. Correct. The, the doors. I have not changed any paint on the doors. Okay, they're all brown. The only, and the white that is outlining the, the window, that's there, that's an existing frame. I was just going to say that the Catherine Cavarroli of my landlord had signed off on the, I had sent her proof of this, and she liked it, and I thought that was all that was necessary, but not, not true. So, here I am. Okay. Would Erica or Tom like to make a comment. Tom did it right so I'll let him go first. First I just want to say Lisa you're not the first person to install something and then come. Don't feel bad about that. It happens every other meeting so don't worry about it. And I'm fine with that I mean super simple and clean and understated and I have no issues with it at all. No recommendations. Thank you. Erica. Thanks. Thanks for your walking us through it. I agree with Tom. I just have one point of clarification and that is in the text of your application, you wrote that the three, their quotes blurbs below your email address on the door vinyl will be removed to provide a less cluttered appearance and while I don't have anything to critique about what you've shown us here I do think that it would provide a less cluttered appearance and think it's a good idea. Well, when I have the proof. When I was going back and forth with the company to do the proof, I, they sent me this and I said, Oh, I don't really need those three little sentences. Because also they're kind of restrictive, I might not be representing people and divorces in two years. They were going to order a new vinyl. And they were going to do that for me so basically what would happen would be is, yeah, we would just have it without those three sentences. I go back and forth on it frankly because sometimes I, but you know, whatever you say, I will, I will do because I could go both ways at this point. That's interesting. So Erica, what would you, would you feel that that might reduce the clutter and leave the email there. I think it personally feel that it's nicely balanced and it'll be fine either way. Yeah, okay. Okay. Okay, any other comments from Tom or Erica. I think that's fine. My one thought is I actually haven't been to your website, but you know, you, you might want to consider replacing those three blurbs with a link to your website, or at least, you know, I know it's in your email above but not everybody's smart enough to figure that out. They will in like five years or so but as of now, you know, it might be worthwhile to put your email there where you state this and so if you do change that I'm not doing divorce or I'm doing something else. Your website will keep people up to date so at least people can find out more about you. No, you're absolutely right. That was actually one of my notes. And I think, I think I will go ahead and do that and maybe just take out the three sentences and put in the URL to the website. All right. Okay, so do I hear a motion that we approve. Lisa's new signature door. I hear a move. So move and Erica. Okay. All in favor.  We're a pushover. Yeah. So I really appreciate it. Thank you. It looks very nice. Yeah, we wish you well. Okay. All right. Okay. So much. Okay. So the next item on the agenda is for the bank. I need to pull up the agenda. Where's, where's the agenda? The next item is image one industries, LLC to review the proposed signage for M and T bank. Located at 25 East pleasant street. And I think I made one of the applicants panelists, Joe. If you could unmute yourself. If there are any other representatives of the project, if you could raise your hands and I can make you a panelist. I know a few of them had emailed me saying they would be in attendance tonight. Yes, this is Joe knots. And I have darling fence to marker on a phone here. Okay. I'll pull her up as a panelist and if you can share your screen and you both can introduce yourselves and, you know, show and explain what you're proposing. Okay. One second, please. Let me see if I'm able to pull this off. I'm sorry, but I don't see an option where I could share my screen and just says mute and then start video. Participants. Here we go. Okay. Can you see my screen. Here we go. It's coming up. There you go. Okay, perfect. So my name is Joe knots and I'm a project manager with image one industries. We are the signage vendor representing our client M&T bank. They kind of give you a little back history here M&T Bank recently acquired people's United Bank. And we're currently in a rebranding process of switching out the people's United Bank signage with M&T Bank signage. So that's what I will be presenting in our package here. This page here is just an overview of the signage on the property. On this page, it shows the existing people's United Bank on the storefront facing the street and our proposed signage. The existing signage currently is face lit illuminated channel letters, and we are proposing to replace them with the M&T Bank face lit channel letters. And our square footage of the signage is smaller than the people's United Bank existing signage. On the next page here we're showing a temporary cover because we're currently in the process of removing the signage. So we propose to remove the people's United Bank signage and install the M&T Bank signage. The unveiling of M&T officially presenting themselves to the community is actually going to take place on Labor Day weekend. So within the next once everything is approved by you guys and we've removed the people's United Bank signage. We're going to install the M&T Bank signage and then install the temporary banner and then during Labor Day weekend remove this banner. It is the same situation for the signage on the right elevation of the building. We will remove the existing face lit people's United Bank channel letters, install M&T Bank channel letters, install a temporary banner until unveiling weekend. And again this proposed signage is less square footage than the people's United Bank signage and the same situation with the third elevation on the left side of the building. Remove people's United Bank and install M&T Bank and then install a temporary banner until unveiling weekend. The rest of the signs in this package are just regulatory signs. We're essentially replacing like for life here as well. Removing the people's United Bank, full mounted regulatory signs in the parking lot, replacing it with the M&T Bank standard, updated standard. And for these signs as well, essentially that is it. Do you have any signage for the doors or the windows? That is a great question. Let me check back in my notes here. I don't see they are proposing M&T is proposing any window signage. However, we most likely will propose a door vinyl. I will have to check back in my notes here. Because usually when you're entering the bank, it just lists M&T Bank. It lists their branches hours and then it would say something in regards to welcome and thank you welcoming clients into the branch. Right. But nothing on the windows. Okay. Like graphics or anything, it would just be on the main entrance door. Did you have any more to discuss or shall we chime in? Not sure where we are. Yep, essentially that is it. Okay. All right. Okay, let's hear from the design review board. Erica, any comments? Yeah, I mean, thank you. Comprehensive overview. Oh, I'd love to see those pictures again. I have two things that pop up for me right away. One of them is a little more ambiguous design question and I'll get to that second. The first one is, when you replace the people's United Bank signage, which is considerably larger. Will there be punctures in the metal panel that need to be repaired? Is there cleaning to be done when you take that down? And can we be assured that the smaller signage is going to not reveal past electrical conduit or good questions? Yes, absolutely. That is in our scope that once the signage is removed to patch and repair the wall to like new condition. And then the second more ambiguous question is actually regarding this elevation and that is that you've done a nice job of centering the M&T Bank signage on the total, like on the large facade here. But I'm wondering if it should actually be centered over the glazing. Instead, and I don't know if anybody else has an opinion on that, but it just feels, it almost feels lopsided because the black of the glass is so dominant here. Oh, so what would you think, move it? You're thinking move it one way or the other? Yeah, I'm just wondering if moving it to the left so that it's centered over the glass makes sense. Oh, yeah. Okay. Tom. Yeah, I would agree with that. I'm looking at the Google Street View images because I was trying to find out where the front door actually is. It's to the left of that, by the way. I think I'm trying to figure out that when you actually zoom out, whether or not it does make sense when you see because that that upper clear story or white or light tile continues past that brick element also so it's even longer so it even feels asymmetrical. Anyway, my sense is that it's worth looking at. I don't know which one's going to be right or wrong because I haven't seen it but I do think that it might make sense to center it over the glass, especially when you see the full facade and the glass actually carries all the way to the outside edge on the left. So, anyway, it's definitely worth exploring and I think in the end you'll find that it'll probably feel right to center or to move it left. Yeah, I think the intent here was just to center it on the whole facade versus transferring it over the windows. Yeah. Right but what's actually happening here I'm going to annotate is that this actually continues out here. So like centering this over this will actually center it in the whole facade, which you can actually see in these images anyway it's just a thought again like I don't know if it's going to feel right or not but when I look at the street view and see the full facade. It feels like it's even right now people's united feels a little bit over to the right anyway, it's just something to think about. But I agree with that and I think that I mean it'd be nice to see the graphics for the door, but the door is actually kind of hidden and so I can't imagine you putting anything on the door out find a fence. This is kind of around a corner so, you know, I mean it'd be nice to see it and have it submitted but I mean I would approve it based on what I would suspect you'd put on that front door anyway. There's nothing on it right now, or maybe there is this is really tiny. Okay, yeah. I, I would agree I like the idea of something significant under the sign I don't know how many blocks over you'd have to do that but it's worth a discussion, there you go. You know, you know, I think it continues over to the left. You know, that's right. I think it's a, I actually like the logo better than the one that you're replacing so sort of go ahead with a problem with that. Okay any other thoughts of America or Tom. And I'm sorry I do have a photo if I'm able to share my screen with the door vinyl looks like able to see my screen. No, we see it now Jim. Okay, so this is what it will look like entering as welcome says M&T Bank at the top. There is a holiday plaque. Say Thanksgiving Christmas will just put an insert in there. And then below the welcome has their lobby hours of an FBI decal and non smoking decal. So that's what it looks like exiting the branch. It's somewhat reverse it says thank you as you're exiting. Could you email that to me if I don't know if that was included in the packet just so we have that on file. Yes, absolutely. And for reference there's two doors then right because there's that looks like it's a rear door. I guess my assumption is that the door facing the front of the building will look the same. Yes, you're correct. Okay. So be shown on both doors. Which I can easily resummit this to you. It's great I have no other comments but thank you. Now, I'm sorry going back to the, the placement of the M&T bank letter so would you like us to slightly move that to the left so it's centered more or is it okay as shown, and then I could get that updated as well and resummit it. Well I think the suggestion was it maybe move it a little to the left so it would be over the door. That's really up to you. But I, my sense is that the suggestion is that you consider this based on what we see as perhaps a better placement of the logo was that does that jive Erica and Tom with what we're hearing. What I was hoping to say was, test out whether centering the M&T bank logo, not over the door, but over the expanse of pleasing that we see in this image. Okay, all right. I'm going to edit, annotate. Yeah, over that stretch. Okay. The left but not much. Yeah, like two blocks or something that. Okay. No problem at all. Okay, very good. Okay, so marine do you have that. Yeah, and so if you could email us the revised sign plan for this, for this particular one that would be helpful as well. All right, do I hear a motion that we have approved the petition with the suggestion that consideration be me, be made to move the sign over one or two, those titles, I guess. So. Right. Yeah, okay. Okay. Okay. All in favor. I. All right. All right. Good luck. Yeah. Perfect. Thank you to everyone. Thanks Joe. Nate Malloy from the playing department who will be. Whoops. I might have made the wrong person the panelists. I don't know. Oh, no, I didn't make him. Okay. So we will be showing you the updated sign design and layout and kiosk for the dog park. Okay. Hi, everyone. Hello, nature. Thanks for having me. I'm Nate Malloy. I'm a planner with the town. Hi, everyone else who might be watching the, I'll share my screen in a minute. Yeah. Yeah. So the dog park is mostly constructed now. There'll be a soft opening later this month. And I'll be showing you signs and a kiosk that we'd like to put in the entry Plaza area. Okay. And then, you know, the kiosk is would match the one that's at graph park. And the signs are trying to resemble conservation signs. The product did go to the planning board. A new site plan review to the planning board the other week and they recommended. That the signs have more consistency with the wayfinding signs. In terms of font. In terms of the size of the signs. So I guess I'll just share my screen and some style or thematic elements. And then there are some questions about the size of the sign or signs just because some of them were proposed to be pretty big. So I guess I'll just share my screen. What was originally in the packet. And. I'll annotate a little bit since Tom, you know, is jumping in on that. I think it's actually a great use of.  And then there's a five foot chain link fence that goes around the park. And so there's a little entry Plaza outside the fence. And then there's, you know, a chain link fence here. And the idea is to have a kiosk in this location. And then. There's a little vestibule where you can enter and then close the gate behind you and then go either into the small dog area or the big dog area. So, you know, there's a main entry gate and then there's one to each side. And then the idea is to have a sign here, a sign on this side. And then maybe a sign on the fence. So all these three signs would be on the fence itself. There's a dog park task force. So volunteer citizens who have been working with the town staff to develop the signs and also on the park and fundraise and also be involved with the maintenance of it. And so, you know, there's, so three signs here, a kiosk, and then we're proposing possibly an offsite sign, a freestanding sign that would look similar to the welcome sign that would be here on the site. Originally the idea was to have it somewhere here as you're working.  So the recommendation was maybe to have a sign on route nine, which would be over off, off the diagram off the plan here. So, that's something to consider. We haven't considered it yet as staff just because it's a little more involved to do that.  So the benches are the same as that graph and that Kendrick park. So their new metal style, the shade structures. You know, are also installed. I think they have like, you know, the manufacturer had, I forget what colors they are like tan and red, tan post maybe red shade sale. So, you know, I think the dog park task force recommended those colors and the, you know, the shale, the shade sales and kind of like the, the fabric and style mimic what we have at graph and Mill River and other parks. So I think it's, that's captured in my picture. So here's what is, so. And just see if I can. Seems a little large. So you walk in, there's one that one made intricate. There's proposed to have dog park rules on one side and then there's dog park etiquette signs on the other. And so here's, here's the, the rule sign. And so it's proposed to be four feet by four feet. So, you know, I think we might want some recommendations on the size of it. You know, the, the language is. I don't want to say it's set in stone, but you know, this is something they like to have this as the rules. And so unless there's some, some reason to change the language grammatically. There's an email, the Amherst dog park at gmail.com. And I've asked our IT staff if we could have a, an Amherst MA dot gov, like a town email that would be rerouted. And they said that due to spam and some other reasons that we actually don't. We don't do that with emails anymore. So we still can do like a web redirect with a web link, but not with an email. You know, there's some question about why is it a gmail account and not a town account. And really it's going to the dog park task force. I mean, we could have that email somehow get forwarded to the town, but you know, so that that was one thing about that. So here's one sign. I'll just go scroll down to the etiquette sign, which is slightly different. You know, again, four feet by four feet, you know, the, yeah. And then the welcome sign, I find these were scanned at scale, right? So that's funny. The, I don't realize the PDF was, was a, was this way. So anyways, then there's a welcome sign, which they're considering temporary, but it is something that we'd want to have on the fence and maybe it would mimic or, you know, be mimicked in the freestanding sign. So, you know, welcome to the dog park maintained by friends of Amherst Dog Park. And the kiosk is the specs for the kiosk and really here's some images of the kiosk from broth park. So it's, it's the same thing. It's a, there's really eight display areas that are roughly two feet and, you know, the kiosk itself, I'm not sure what it, you know, it, I haven't got the actual dimensions, the roof overhang, but yeah, I wasn't saying maybe almost six feet by six feet. And so on this kiosk, the dog park task force and the town would like to have, you know, donors, maybe a locust map, some other information, you know, this park was funded by, by the stint and foundation and other grants and then also private contributions. And then there's other display areas. See what else. So here's just a detail of what this looks like. And so, you know, there's been some discussion about whether it be a display case or what, you know, really it's just a, you know, vertical board, but things have been stapled on there. And so we haven't determined yet. I don't think, you know, if there would be a plexiglass cover or what, you know, what kind of, if there is any, any other finishing to that. I did take some pictures today. So I think I'll start a new share. And we can just walk through what's there. So here's the dog park, you know, from the road. And so right now there's handicapped spaces with two, you know, handicapped signs. There's this Community Preservation Act banner. And so this is actually, you know, two feet by 10 feet, just to give you a sense. And this one is, you know, 18 by 32 or something. So here's the temporary sign.  So it's a, you know, they somewhat kind of disappear. So there's a dog way station with a sign that has just information. Let's see, I just wanted to get a little closer. So here's what the, we have temporary signs that are going up on the fence. So the rules and etiquette would be on either side of, here's the entry gate. So at this scale, you know, they're roughly 17 inches, the red 17 by 17.  And this is taking from about six feet away. And so, you know, if it weren't, you know, so this is right, like say, you can say almost two feet by two feet. Here's an image of something that's four feet by four feet, you know, with the all the, all the white. And so compared to this, you know, 12 by 18 sign, here's a four foot sign. So, yeah, I just, you know, so maybe we have a little bit of help there. Yeah, so this actually is 18 by 23, right? So this red area, which, you know, when you're six feet, you know, the picture, it is hard to capture in an image, but, you know, if you're, you know, this is taken from about six feet away, seven feet away, and you can read it.   You know, what does it look like when you're actually standing there. And so I'll just go back up one. Yeah, so here, if you walk in the kiosk, the kiosk will be here. As you, you know, arrive, then the idea is to have, you know, one sign on the fence, two signs on the fence straddling the entry gate, you know, rules and regulations and etiquette, and then this welcome sign would be moved over to where the fence comes out. So it would be off the screen. So it might, it could be where the preservation act sign is, but it could be more over on the right hand side.  So, you know, proportionately if it was two feet, maybe it'd be like six feet.  And I think that's kind of the presentation. So I think that Kestrel trust in the town. I've been doing some work in conservation land. And so, you know, like the, the chamfered corners, the rounded corners and everything. I was going to go back to the, I'll cancel this for a minute. You know, the chamfered corners and some of the font is what's been used on conservation signs. I was trying to make a mock up of our way finding signs, but we're limited to Microsoft software. And the font that was chosen for some of the signs is not supported. And their illustrator files as well. So I've been talking to staff about having, you know, having whether it's someone we've worked with before, come up with a sign template that we could use to almost plug and play when we have something like this. So we're not, you know, reinventing every time. But I will, you know, welcome any comments. So I'll just, you know, poll, you know, something like this stuff just to, I think this is about the third iteration we've seen at that kiosk. It's definitely changed over the last, I don't know, two or three years, whenever the first one came up. Yeah, so the first idea was to have like a hex. Like a hexagon shape or roof maybe and yeah, and have it be very complicated. Yes, that's right. And tile a special. Grab surface just for the chaos, but that's okay. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have any problem with, with personally with the big signs. I'm just not sure in total how many signs are going to be there. Like the dog park could look a little busy or distracting. That's one thought and my other thought probably no one's going to hear this, but that kiosk seems superfluous. You know, like, why do you need it? You don't even know what you're going to put on it and how you're going to stick things on it. You could save your town some money and you've got the signs. That's what people want to know.  The kiosk to me is just, I don't know. That's up to you, but I'm not going to go down, but that's my, that's my opinion. We have others. We have Erica and we have Tom, Tom has your hand up. I mean, I see, I saw this from the planning board and I was on site with Nate, so we were kind of looking at this together. I mean, I truly believe that the 48 inch sign is really massive. And I don't know if it, if it's completely necessary to have something that that it's that large. My sense is that it's something you're going to read from close up. You're going to read from six or eight feet away. You're going to walk up to it. It's right next to the entry. You're literally going to be inches away from it. We don't, it's not like a display sign. It's not an advertisement. It's information that people will read up close. And if they need to smash their face up against it or put on their glasses, I think that's okay. I think Nate, your, your mock-up of the big white 48 inch panel is what also gives me pause. It's just so massive and they're going to be both of the, you know, one on each side. What I, what I was thinking is that when I looked at the fence, right, it has a horizontal break. That's a five foot fence. So that's two and a half feet. That seems like 30 inches. It seems ample. So if you could box that into two, 30, 30 inch. You know, signs. I also think there's a lot of extra space on this sign that might not need to be there, but I definitely agree that we need a standard and that this needs to match the, the signage that we find at the other parks.  It's not a standard.  I still think that if it's in the public domain, it needs to match that standard. So however we need to make that happen. Let me know. I can pitch in if need be, but I'd much rather see it be. In the same type face and with the same header graphic and with the same header. So I think we need to, you know, just to, you know, for consistency, because the minute we show an example of something going off script, it's going to give everybody a precedent. Well, you know, at the dog park, they did this and then all of a sudden we're like, why did we have a standard in the first place? So I think we just make it mandatory. And stick with it, whatever we have to do to get there. So that's the key. The key ask. I mean, I'd be interested to find out how it's actually being used at the other locations and whether like, it seems useful. If it does cool, then I think we should keep doing it. But if it's just sits there and nobody uses it or there's no information on it, then. That seems like a great place for rules and regulations as opposed to stuff to get tacked up on the fence. So anyway, those are my, those are my thoughts, but I mean, I would much rather see it again before we approve anything. So I want to see it formatted and I want to see it scaled to the right. To a more appropriate size. Okay, could I jump in and ask you Nate, is that the color? It's going to be, it looks like maroon and white. Is that what it is? Yeah, so I think.  So we do have the, you know, color codes. So, you know, it, yeah. And so it would match that.  It may not be, I don't know how it's what it looks like on your screen, but yeah, it would be the same color red as like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not calling the way fine finding signs of signs. We approved a couple of years ago that. One was going to be down at the intersection of university and Amity street. Is that what you're talking about way finding? Are you talking about the little flag signs that. We're going to have up at the center of town. So that's all part of it. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could call it brown or I don't want to say rust. Okay. Well, whatever.  If you, if you're saying that it's the matching, the way faring signs. That color is not at all what we. Had for the way. If I'm correct in saying what is a way bearing sign? Is that the, those are the signs that are going to be down by the Emily Dickinson house. And the corner of Amity and university. Is that what you're talking about? Yes. Okay. Well, as I recall, if the board can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the decision was. Sort of a brown nation crane. Am I. Yeah, I'm getting, I'm going to pull up the most recent. Way finding. It's just taking a minute. We've had about three versions. Yeah. That's also gone through a few different iterations. And I concur with. There should be. Consistency in the colors. Yes. And then how. Headers are used. And I think one thing that makes this a little bit different is that. There is a body of text that you want people to read. And so the, the readability of that might introduce. Might introduce a new font because I don't know how the other fonts are going to work with phrases stacked up here. But. I also concur with Tom that a smaller. I would be good. I tend to agree that. Maybe that. Sign. Yeah. I tend to agree that. Maybe that. Sign. Yeah. How many signs are going to be a strong around the place. Sorry. Yeah, I do think that hanging the sign. Towards the top of the fence so that it's a little bit closer to eye level would be useful rather than trying to center it on the fence once you have it, if it is. So. I found a couple of typos. Missing Oxford commas that I can point out here. If anybody wants to get super picky. And then. You know, just looking at the, the headings, you know, you've got town of Amherst dog park rules. And then right next to it, you have another one that says Amherst dog park etiquette. And I think you can just strike Amherst from that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. If you have those comments, you know, the missing commas or other things to send it to a Marine or myself, I do think we, we do want to have that corrected. So this is just a mock up. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll, I'll, I'll share actually what. For wayfinding. Sorry, I'm just going to jump around.  And this is where like the downtown signs would go. It's not going to have the spinial. That's the idea is the idea is to have, you know, these would be directional signs. And I'm just going to scroll quickly. So this color. You know, the color where we'd want to match is what would be the rite. Yeah, the green of the, of the other side of the sign. But then, you know, there are different directions. So these are on the, on the signs. And then so what we came up with, sorry, this is a long presentation.  So what we do have as a destination sign. You know that we're proposing to have, you know, where we have, you know, a large freestanding sign, like at Kendrick Park, you know, which is kind of a larger kind of welcome sign. And it would match.  And so is that something, I mean, is that something you'd want to see in terms of consistency, right? So this kind of same like, you know, you're saying like the type base and color and design. Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah. I mean, I think that, that level of consistency is going to be really important. Right. Yeah. And the, um, the use of the logo here I think is appropriate as a, as a screen in the background that might make reading text a little challenging. And so if you pulled it off into the maroon space, the white space, um, where available, I think that would be fine, but I would resist having the overlap. Okay. Okay. And it does, it sounds like you're talking about three signs of welcome, the etiquette and the rules. Right. I think is appropriate. And, you know, it's a great question you asked what I was asked, you know, what's, how, how are the kiosks being used.  Um, you know, is that too much clutter? I mean, I'd be good. I'd like to have a recommendation on that.  But I mean, to have, you know, eight panels of information seems like a lot. Um, you know, I think originally the key, you can remind, you can correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that the kiosk was originally designed so that it would have all of that stuff. The rules and the other sign, uh, would be on the kiosk because there was no discussion when we looked at this a couple of years ago about signs on fence. Now, can you recall? Yeah. No, I think you might be right. I think, I think the dog park task force felt that maybe people wouldn't, you know, they would enter the site and they wouldn't necessarily look at the kiosk for rules and regulations. So that's why they're hoping it would, you know, be on either side of the main entry gate. So it's just, you know, it's like a fail safe. My sense is if they're at scale and they look like the signs that you just showed and they're mounted properly on that fence, like I have no problem with them being there, I actually really truly feel that there's, that the kiosk is going to be redundant. You know, I think, I think that it's a lot of surface area and maybe like you'll get like a lost dog or like, you know, a dog walker person that's going to put that little note up like that kind of stuff I can imagine happening at a dog park, probably more than a golf park, but I still don't imagine, you know, eight surfaces being used, even if they're all corkboard for public use. So it's totally true. And four of those surfaces are around the back, which means that no one's going there. You'll lose your audience if that's where you expect people to be reading the rules. So somebody's going to have to monitor what we talked about that before, who's going to take care of the kiosk, who's going to be sure that the notices are current and how you're going to get it up there. Maybe you should go without the kiosk, and then if you, then after a few months, you say, boy, we really need a kiosk, you can put, plop that thing in there, because it doesn't look like it's a high tech structure. Yeah, I mean, there'll be a lot of babysitting ads on the back of the kiosk, you know. Yeah, right. Yeah, you know, yeah. He's joking. I'm just joking. No, I kind of agree though, when I went on to Graff, I was walking around and looked like people had put up personal posters that the town would take down. So it is something that has to be monitored because there is a lot of surface area. Yeah. Nate, when is this being discussed with the planning board next? You know, so they approved the site plan, you know, so they, you know, the park, the layout changed a little bit from when it was approved two years ago, just due to the clay cap over the, you know, it's an old landfill was closer to the surface and extended closer to the road than thought. So the planning board approved the project, the site plan, but they have a condition that the signs be reviewed by the design review board and that they have to be reviewed and approved by the planning board before installation. So, you know, they've approved the project, but they want the signs and kiosks to be, you know, have recommendations from the design review board and then come back again. So, you know, if the design review board, if you feel like you'd like to see it again, that's something I can work with staff on, you know, getting a better mock up, you know, actual size of signs and then we can, you know, I think July 27th is the soft opening.  And then we'd work on getting some permanent signs. Okay. So what's the feeling of the design review board that we would like to take another look at it? Do we want to mention the fact we're not convinced that the kiosk really contributes much to the dog park? How specific do you think we can be or should be? It seems like the agreement is we like the signs, but we feel they should be smaller. Is that one point that we are all in agreement in on? Hello, how do you agree? Yes, I agree the signs should be smaller. I like Tom's suggestion of trying the 30 inch line. And I know this is an appropriate metaphor here, but this is kind of the tail that's wagging the dog in the sense that it's reminding us that having a consistent package of design guidelines for signage would be a great idea. And I don't, I'd like to, you know, review this with that in mind as well. And we're so close, you know, with the really comprehensive wayfinding package, it does me well for these signs. But, you know, for the town to be able to use it or to budget in consultants for moments like this, I think would be appropriate. Yeah. Yeah, man, that could be a recommendation too.  Am I the one that is going to go in and every time we need a sign, you know, change it?  I do like the idea of having a sign package. We don't have, you know, it's funny, we have the wayfinding signs, we have these directional signs, and maybe now this destination sign, but we've never, you know, kind of come up with what are the suite of signs we'd need, say at conservation areas or recreation areas and have a template that incorporates this wayfinding style.  If it's not a conflict of interest, there's a branding agency that I know, myself, that could probably help you out with a tiny stipend to make sure everything's consistent. So feel free to give me a holler. Again, I don't know if we can have my own graphics approved by the planning board, but we'll see. So is it safe to say that we want to sort of continue this until updated sign plans and layouts are provided and to have better clarity of where they'll be located? Yeah. Yes, yes, let's do that. And then also maybe, I mean, the recommendation that perhaps the kiosk could be installed at a later date, so we could see how functions, I'm not sure if it's been ordered yet, but oh, it's already been ordered. Well, is that, you know, it seems like that's maybe something to explore. I think it's something to explore, really. I mean, the handful of thousands of dollars that you're spending on this kiosk could be spent on a design consultant. Yeah. If that was an option. If it's already, I mean, if it's already been ordered, obviously, you know, it's just a matter of making sure that it's utilized well. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I know once we realize that you could put signs on the fence or if you don't, then maybe they go on the front of the kiosk. I guess it's kind of that decision. Yeah, smaller signs on the fence to be completely right. Nate, one thing I would consider, and this would be something I would talk with the committee about is that there are actually two layers of entry here. And so it might make sense to get them to make them less visible if they wanted them larger, to put them on that inside frame. So when you walk through the first gate before you actually go into the park on the left or right, there's a big panel there that's probably eight feet that you can put those two signs on. So you're still not in the park, but that way you don't see it. It's not something that's on the front of the, let's call it the facade of the park. So that might be something to consider as well. If they're, you know, I'd support a larger sign there, I think, than I would on the front fence. So it's interesting. Maybe that was their thought all along. And maybe it's just when that was described to me, it was lost in translation. I think that's a really nice idea. Could you pull up a photo, the photos that you took today? I'm having trouble visualizing what Tom's talking about. Yeah, maybe they just do, I'll do the, I'll go to the PDF first. So I think what, this is that, is this what I want? I guess so. There's a... Use the greeting plan, Nate, that's the next one. I was going to zoom in here. So when you, when you, the, where the signs are now that I showed, you know, there's this original, there's this main fence, which is actually now straight across. I guess that's the difference. It's now straight across. But then there's this vestibule that you enter. And there's a gate to this side and a gate to this side.  And it's not necessarily at the, you know, at the, you know, right at the street level. So it's, you'd still see it. You'd see it before you enter the park physically. But it's behind that initial gate. Right.  So you can see the bottom of the front fence is here, but then there's this other fence back here in the background. Yeah. And again, you'll still see it, but it's less like on the facade. I don't know. It's just a thought, but yeah, it's a great question to bring to the dog park committee. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing as a dog owner, I would be curious to see what the committee would say is that that's where that's like the lobby, if you will.  And sometimes there could be multiple dogs in that zone. So it could be like a little chaotic. What? Yeah. I'm just saying it's like someone that you're like interacting with like multiple dogs. All of a sudden you're like, I can't pay, like it's hard to multitask of having like loose dogs and stuff. So maybe that's just me. No, I hear you. Or if you have, yeah. Yeah, I can see that. Actually, someone on the playing board asked, because you know, one's a 30 pound small dog and bigger.  Yeah. I said, well, geez, they're supposed to be under voice control. So you should be able to control one from the other side. But no, I'm assuming you can make it work in one side or the other. But it was an interesting question about what you have if you have multiple dogs. Okay. So where are we?  Is that, is that what? Yeah, yeah, I think I'd like to, Dave Zomax on vacation for a week.  I mean, every sign I showed you has a different kind of layout. And so can we just get some consistency to, you know, whether it's the same font or the same, you know, color font, other things from the way finding and just have it be pretty clear.  So all of a sudden it's like, oh, we're introducing a new color and a new typeface. And it's like, oh, I'm not sure why that is. But yeah. So yeah, I'd like to be able to figure out how we can come up with some mock signs, you know, a little more consistent. And then I'll type up the notes from this meeting. And so, you know, some of the notes include, you know, think about being consistent with the way finding signs in relation to the font, the color, the design and the layout. Think about readability from, from, you know, viewing for the, I guess, for the pedestrian. Think about the proximity from the sign where people are standing to read it. And then consider smaller signs than what's proposed. Review any typos and extra or extra commas, etc. Think about the headings. Think about removing it. There might be an extra amourst on some of those signs. Just think about those sorts of things and then think about whether a kiosk is needed here or maybe look around at other dog parks to see if they have kiosks and if they're used or not. And then to come back with updated sign designs and layouts and showing the locations. Okay. That was good. That's it. All right. Okay, Nate. Thanks for coming and we look forward to getting together again. Yeah, I hope we can get a little closer every time. So we're not.  So yeah. And maybe you can find it if the kiosk has already been ordered. Maybe you can find another park to stick it in. Yeah, I do think there's been some good questions and comments.  Could we put some signs on the kiosk?  And so, yeah, sure, there could be a good discussion about all that. I don't mean to read it to death, but okay. All right. And that's it on the agenda. Let's see if there's any members of the public. There are not everyone. Okay, thank you. And are there any minutes? No, unfortunately, no. So what I am doing, I am typing up these memos and I send them off and I don't, frankly, I have very limited time that I can devote to this, but I have these notes and from this and for the other applications and and I am forwarding them along to actually through Open Gov. So they're documented there, which is a new permanent software. The one thing I forgot to add to this agenda is is is how they say re organ is electing officials for the board. So like a chair and vice chair. So at the next meeting, we'll add that to the agenda. We're supposed to do that every fiscal year. I think I forgot it last year as well. So sorry. But we'll think of it this coming year. Okay. And then just a couple other notes about hopefully you've checked out the parklets located in downtown. There's one in front of fresh side restaurant and one in front of Amherst coffee and the town manager approved those locations and the design as a temporary basis. And so they're going to perhaps be removed at the end of the season. And so since it's temporary, the town manager didn't feel like it needed to go through the design review board. But if it does become a permanent thing or other restaurants, hopefully want to do it as well, you know, we can talk about that with the town manager to see if if a DRB review is needed. But hopefully you like them. I certainly do. Yeah. Cool. And and then there are I guess on Spring Street, the that that is a mixed use building that's being built right now. Supposedly a Shakira Shakira Shakira is being proposed there on the first floor. So at some point when archipelago is ready to submit any signage or or what have you associated with that eatery they'll be presenting something with the DRB. And and that's the only thing that I know of right now. But I'm sure things will as they always do will trickle in. Okay. All right. Okay. I don't hear a motion that we adjourn the meeting. Okay. Second. Erica, I second it too. Okay. Our meeting is adjourned. Thanks, everybody.