We will always trigger some lessons for our children's parents, so how much guilt do we have about those? How much responsibility do we have as parents and how much responsibility can be put on a child? Beautiful. Yeah. I actually did a parenting conference over in Sweden. Very good. We had the children were there and the parents that we got into that. It's really, you might say, parenting is again the mirroring that parents and children do a lot of mirroring back. And that's where, even though the relationships in this world were set up by the ego, the Holy Spirit uses those same relationships to help us get in touch with what's going on in our mind. And I would say out of all the issues and all of the mirroring that goes on in parent-child relationships, probably the central issue and the one issue that we really have to deal with is called the authority problem. It's controlled. In fact, one time when I was traveling in South America, I was in Argentina. And the course is really big in Argentina. There's a lot of people working with the course. And I was out in Burro, Argentina, away from the big cities, and I was with a group of mothers and children. And the mothers were saying, oh, we're working the course and our small children are teaching us so much. We're learning so much from them every day. And I said, well, could you give me an example? What is the major lesson that you're learning from the small children? And they told it to me in Spanish and then they translated it into English. And the English version of what the small children were teaching the mothers was, you're done. That was the whole translation. I said, that's it. You're done. In other words, this game of inequality, this game of superior and inferior, this game of you have more powers, I have less powers, is over. You're done. And it's really good to get to the point. And of course, that's what is played out on a daily basis. That the only problem we have in this world is we have forgotten that we are perfect equals. And that this whole world was made on differences and to teach inferior or superior. You know, that's where the problems come in. And so it's kind of interesting because certainly from a developmental point of view, you would say that young children seem to come into this world very dependent, much like very elderly people seem to leave the world in a state of dependence. And you could say that in terms of skills and development of the brain and motor skills and so on and so forth, it doesn't seem that parents and children are equals in the level of form. Certainly they seem to be, young children need to be taken care of and nurtured along. But we could say that in terms of attitude, the central problem is one of inequality. So what we find is that when you trace that back metaphysically, that the control issues that parents and children face are projections of the control issue of the ego, believing that it has its own autonomy, that it has its own authority, and that basically the core ego belief is I can be the author of myself. That's what this planet was made to demonstrate. I am not authored by God. I can be the author of myself. If we give it a few more words, I can make myself to be any way that I want to be. I can be male-female, I can be tall or short, I can pick my color, I can pick all these aspects. But it's kind of like this cosmos is invent yourself.  Talk about uniqueness, talk about ingenuity, diversity, multiplicity. It's all kind of like turning your back on oneness, on love, on the sameness of heaven and trying to make up a self-different than the self that God created, which is pure spirit. So it plays out in many, many different ways. We can say the authority issue can play out with authority figures like police officers or doctors or lawyers or politicians or anyone that seems to be in a position of superiority. But most definitely it plays out in parent-child relationships. And I think that's a beautiful lesson when you sum it up as you're done. It really reminds you every day to be very, very humble. Now in the Course in Miracles, Jesus says that teaching and learning goes on all the time. And he has some interesting things to say. He says that the teacher and the learner are in the same order of learning. In other words, they're in the same realm. Teachers are not above learners. It's not better to be a teacher than it is to be a learner. At a mind level we're teaching and learning every second of the day. And we can tell whether we're learning the Spirit's lesson of forgiveness or the ego's lesson of pride and autonomy by how we feel. The best way to know which lesson you're teaching and learning is how you feel in the most simple, direct way. Of course the ego will complicate that even because it's invented its own feel-good emotions. And that's why when you go much deeper into the Course you start to even realizing that that actually Jesus teaches that pleasure and pain are actually the same. Talk about something that is really different from the human experience where one seems to be something to avoid at all costs and one seems to be something that you pursue. He's basically saying they're the same because they both reinforce your identification with the body. And the body is substitute for the Spirit. So at first glance you can say, I don't get that at all. Pleasure and pain don't seem to be alike at all. But if you get to the purpose underneath why they were invented it's because they both reinforce a false identity. And remember this is distraction bill. We're talking about a cosmos made carefully designed by the ego to keep you trapped in ignorance, trapped in unawareness. So it's not something that you should put on your list of, okay, my New Year's resolution is I'm giving a pleasure. It doesn't really work that way. You have to get into what we talked about at the beginning, into your miracle working capabilities using your mind for the miracle with the Spirit because that's how you tap into the joy. That's how you tap into the peace. That's how you have an experience that there is something beyond the everyday human experience, the human awareness. There's something far, far, far beyond. And I think all of us in here, and I could even say for centuries, have known there's something more. Everybody knows that. It's not that you don't have to be a rocket scientist to get that feeling in your gut that just got to be something more than this. But the how, you know, when Jesus said, Judge not, you know, on the Sermon on the Mount, now we've had for 2,000 years everybody going, did you figure that one out? How do you stop judging or love your neighbor as yourself? Love the Lord thy God, the only heart and soul of mine. You know, we've had the commandments there. We know that those top commandments resonate. You know, that's the way. But the how, and so something like a Course in Miracles is just giving you the how. It's just saying, trust me, I know the way. Here's a text. The only reason I'm giving you a text is because it will make the workbook lessons more meaningful as you try to apply it. It's not to become some scholarly document. I remember years ago, there was a Course teacher who said, don't ever let the Course touch the ground. And I was like, oh, God, is it like the American flag or something? What's going to happen if I leave my book on the grass? It's simply a collection of words that were given by the Spirit for us to use as a tool for training our minds. And we need it. Frankly, we do need it. I mean, there's a lot of great tools. Of course, it's just one among many, many great tools. But we need it because we need the how. We need it because we need to learn the means. You know, we've been talking for centuries about love. We've been writing songs about love. You know, we've been singing songs about love. But we need an experiential way to forgive. And to me, that was the path that was given to me. And when the Course came into my life, I felt like, this is really an answer to a prayer. I mean, that's the first thought that came in my mind. This is an answer to a prayer. And the second thought that came into my mind was, now I've got no excuses. Before I could say, oh, please, it's all too vague. Look at the Bible. That's just too vague, you know. Absolutely too vague. What do you expect of me? But with the Course, I think we can actually say, we can now go, hmm, okay. You've given me the means. Now I have to apply it.


I'm gonna basically go through and and and just introduce myself here who's um Govang and introduce this whole crew. So uh from there. I'll let you guys write but um just some background in case you don't know Sorry guys um Maxwell's working in mathematics and high energy physics until he decided his background in science It was probably the right thing to help tackle problems of world health and other social issues Uh perpetually disruptive This flagship project makes it possible for people to manufacture their own medications at home Open source and made from off-the-shelf parts the apothecary micro lab Puts many medications within the reach of those who would otherwise not have them Project would garnered his group the most press was the epi pencil Uh an open source version of the epi band which cost only 30 dollars produced and three dollars worth of fill I have used this my son requires it and with one source of provider for epi pens and uh The cost that it takes to uh to buy that uh, thank you for that personally Thank you so much. Thank you all so much for being here this is a really really really happy moment for me because In my health work Which is different than this Several things happen I come up and I talk about things that I didn't have much of a hand in except for organizing I'm bragging about great work that other people did and I can't even give them credit because we work in the gray area that's in the darker side of heather as I call it and so they shouldn't be named and I've been so welcomed by the biohacking community and I've never felt like I really deserved the label But today I do so um, I'm gonna bring up my guys here um The first thing here is that this was a collaborative effort and I want to bring up nick titus and um as well as zack shannon Who've been working at the core of this? um fourth east vinegar is of course my organization solitary is uh Zach's Myonic is nicks and of course we could not have done this without casics who I think you all know who's a champ and made this all possible um So we also would like to do a special thanks to a couple of people specifically left anonym and matias strobe Who helped us a great deal as well as nebula Who I think is here? bunny who's not an actually ants Colt and control creep and My favorite childhood author So We've got a problem We were so excited. I was so excited when the internet was built. It was going to fix everything We were going to be connected. It was going to be free. It was going to be impossible to censor It was going to be impossible to surveil and all of that is not the case and we're paying for it and it doesn't work There's a backbone. We're reliant on infrastructure Everything you do online is watched all the time by any number of places and it can be shut down at a moment's notice Depending on where you are. This is a disaster We dream of it looking like this Every device could just be part of our network. Why does it have to have a backbone? It could be better. We want it to be better. We dream of it being better and The technology exists for it to be better now. This is not our technology and this is why we thank matias because he Built the pirate box platform. This is an open network That is not connected to anything local area network And there's a phone app that you can get you can run it on your laptop and you can build it into Uh routers and all of a sudden you have an anonymized network where you can chat There are forms you can trade upload download files. You can stream and they're super easy to build and um This is sort of what it looks like when you when you pull it up and here's one that I built So this is a battery powered router You can see it's fairly small depending on your definition of small, which is a critical definition And I brought this to grind fest and this is the inside And I think nick here is going to talk a little bit about what happened. We were at grind fest and we're going to just sort of go through it So it was about three months ago back in may We were out in the desert in california into hatchipi at grind fest grind fest is a grinder biohacking meetup And michael had this Little board booted up so that we could do local file sharing it had a chat room all this sort of thing and left Who was in attendance saw that and said hey, do you think you could implant that in me? And being the environment it was we figured Maybe why not why not give it a shot? And so we opened up that little white box and we found this board inside And we depopulated all of the unnecessary parts. So we took off ports that we didn't need we took off A few larger components Got those all scraped down stripped down We took out the battery because If you know anything about implantables that is one of the big points of contention right now is putting a battery inside of somebody So we wanted to avoid that we added in 64 gigabytes of usb storage soldered on to the board And then from there we solved the Powering problem using a chi charging coil. So We came up with this idea that theoretically it could be able to be powered Through the skin just by a wireless battery We had to scrape off and grind off some of these more stubborn Some of the more stubborn ports on there. It was about a two-day process And we were just using all of the parts that we happened to have there In the lab.  So the rest is gory Very warning. Yes. So In a clean room in a clean facility We had the first prototype Implanted into left's arm. This is the roughest of these photos So this was all done by somebody who's trained But there's the device it's pretty metal pretty cyberpunk And that is it in After all sutured up I think the next photo shows it off a little bit better once all the blood's out of there There is the device under somebody's skin. This is not a bone sticking out That is a drainage tube that allows fluid to come out. But once it was in left's arm Sorry So this one I had to put in because this is the best compliment any of us have ever gotten And I just want to say thank you So this was This was a comment given by technicolor. Um, they said this right at the end of uh, of all of grindfest And this is that implant today Or a few weeks ago after it's healed. Um, so a pretty gnarly scar there But it's under the skin and everything ended up working on there. So Left is the first person to have this First device implanted it has 64 gigs of local storage And by holding um, a wireless battery up to it They can power it on and have that local network just under there under their skin So that was all built in two or three days with just the parts that we had on hand And then after all that ordeal we decided to take another step So Zach and I worked, um, a lot trying to get these bits and pieces to come together to try and build a new version that was smaller with more data density and The key thing trying to make it so that they would mesh between each other because The thing that makes the magic possible All of the ideas of building a new internet is if they all talk to each other So we needed to make that happen and um, this is a picture of us at our best Clearly visually, um when we were on a video call with matias who was such a champ He came off a vacation with his family and set up a video call with us in the middle of the night Between singapore wherever you live And and germany somewhere in the u.s. So yeah So you want to say a little bit about the technical side of this and what we ran up against So, yeah, we were we were trying to figure out the networking and a lot of the documentation was very vague or Translated from non-english, um But uh, yeah, matias was a great help He was able to you know, actually sketch out diagrams and walk us through all the steps of what is actually happening and You know with the topology of everything. So that that really Helped us, uh Know what we were supposed to be doing as opposed to what we were supposed to end up with um, but so We we were trying to get it to be smaller than version one because that was a little bigger than some people would want To get in their skin This is really tiny. It's 40 by 40 millimeters. Yeah, this is 40 millimeter square So this is what we started working on. Uh, it does have uh, you know on board radios A little bit of onboard storage, of course with expandable we were working on this uh for a while and um You know, we we were really hoping that we would be able to get this project done before def cons We could actually show it off and you know show all you guys this stuff So it doesn't have a built-in antenna And so I was looking into some options including using our actual skin as an antenna, which we just spoiler alert We ultimately did not use So this was a chip antenna That we looked at it's really tiny. It's really powerful and I They have this Technical drawings and I figured out a way that it would lie over the corner and I was so excited And then that didn't work point point being we put a lot of work into that board before We decided that we should just go with a raspberry pi And from there it took about a week to complete and it was a lot simpler. It's it's slightly larger. Um But uh, like 20 percent that it's we were kind of doing a lot more Overthinking than than we should have been doing over engineering projects will regret it So so v2 is based on the the raspberry pi zero It this is this is the first time we got it booted and connected to it Michael was pretty uh pretty hyped to see the screen. Yeah, this this is you know, this is makes my old school hacker heart Just glow when you see ascii text boot up from the thing that you've been working so hard to build Um, and this is our splash page This looks very much like the pyrebox page, but um, it has a little extra verbiage and a different logo But yeah, the functionality is the same. Um Now this sd card came out four days ago So the units we built only have a half terabyte only And yet i'm not crying yet Um, so here's what it looks like Um coated and powered up um So the additional parts of the hardware to look at here Um, I mean this is next one's a little closer. There we go. So this is a this is a different unit That's also been coated. That's also booted up. You can see that Um, this one this one's just a tester unit that has a 16 gig sd card Um on the other side, you'll see a couple of things There's a second wi-fi card. That's the thing that's glowing blue And there that's so that we can make the meshing happen. We had Quite a battle trying to figure out ways to get These units to mesh without an external Extra wi-fi. So, you know, we we got a successful network interface up So two units together powered together will be able to communicate but We spent so much time trying to get that interface up that we actually at the moment Don't have any software running on the network. So we'll be asking you all about that later Um, yeah, do you want to say something else about that? So the the other thing to look at here is that you'll see the sort of Tope chunk on the corner there That's uh, that's a capacitor. That's a 2200 micro farad tantalum capacitor Now that's necessary because chi charging Is a protocol that's developed by the wireless charging consortium not the wireless continuous power consortium, which is An entity which doesn't exist. So when you've got something that's designed to charge It's going to give power but dropping it intermittently is not a big deal as long as you can reconnect So we need something that was going to buffer That power drop in between times. So it wasn't just constantly knocking us offline Um, I first did this with a super cap and I was like, well, this is great But you don't put electrolytics under your skin because they like Explode and other things that are like not great to have inside your body Um, so we found this tantalum capacitor. Um, thanks to nebula wherever he is. Thank you, bro Um, and uh, and it worked like a charm The other thing that you can see is that so the board's been depopulated all the Ports are gone You'll see the four purple jumper wires going from the usb Interface the usb key And then you'll see a little red wire and then a little gray wire Coming off the power usb This runs to the capacitor in parallel and then over to the chi coil on the back um So this is again, you can connect to this using whatever device So this is what the splash page looks like on a phone and then once these were Built finally, um, we mailed them to cassox and he coded them and then we decided to put them in Everybody ready This is cassox who is made of steel And just grabbed the bite stick and said i'll do the first one And This was amazing to witness.  What's happening here is zack has just Connected so you see how casso's hand has his battery to his leg He had just finished suturing himself up and we're spinning the thing up in real time Nick has just uploaded video of the procedure to his leg which is now being streamed off of my laptop here And this is The most amazing thing it was less than an hour that it took for him to do this by himself I mean i was there, but i brought him stuff. It wasn't like i was super useful and then After it was ready. It was I'm next So that's my leg that he's building that same pocket in and i am not made of steel um So it was a little rougher for me, but here you can see the unit going in and in and in and here you can see my little like moment of Hey, hey zack, can you can you remind me why we're doing this?  Yeah, because the next thing i did was faint This is him. He's passed out here and i was checking his pulse And i was only out for a few seconds I remember coming to hearing what he's got a pulse when he's fine Just hold his shoulder so he doesn't fall out of the chair and i was like Whose shoulder do i have to hold And then i promptly threw up But happily ever after Everything worked out we had it going and as you can see i look a little better than in the previous photos now Here's the thing that always comes up When you've got an implant People ask this question that can either be very interesting or very divisive, which is What does your implant do that a wearable couldn't? And it's a really valid question It's important because if we're actually going to the trouble of cutting ourselves open and sticking things in We should have a reason Even if that reason is this is my form of self-expression and I want to be a cyborg and that's important and like, you know, I mean that's part of it There are arguments that can be made for People who are maybe working in political activism people are who are maybe working with sensitive data This is a way that you can discreetly transfer that sort of data Bring that out into the world cross maybe enemy lines and Not have it detected after left first got her implant and then traveled Back to the uk they Made it through security without any sort of hiccups. There was no There's nothing through going through the scanners that caused any problems. So there's an argument to be made there It's a little bit flimsy. The real reason is self-expression and being a cyborg and that sort of thing However, there are a number of things that this does from a technical standpoint that haven't been done before First off It has more storage Than anything that's ever been implanted before by a large margin making both michael and jeff The highest digital capacity humans on the earth Um Additionally With the exception of version one This is the first thing to take wireless power as its only power source And this seems very promising because as any grinder will tell you designing an implant your biggest problem is Where does the power come from and being able to have a battery like being able to have no battery So that there's no battery to run out or fail or Blow is is a huge jump this we believe could be the first step towards a sort of network of implants That could all be powered just using a centralized battery And wires going to each implant with just a charging coil instead of having to worry about those batteries under the skin and additionally the key key key thing is that they talk to each other And ultimately this is the thing that we're dreaming of because If we all are just nodes if you imagine where you live and you imagine every computer every router and every phone being a node on a mesh network then At least your local infrastructure can go away. I mean how many times This is great just an hour ago. We were upstairs and we're like Well, I I need to send you that big image. Oh my god I can't connect to the wi-fi because I don't actually have a room number. Wait, how do we and then suddenly we were like Wait, we just solved this problem spin up the peg leg And that's how we traded every picture you just saw in this entire thing and we did it an hour ago So We're looking at what to do next Jack you want to jump in so yeah, so here here's some of our ideas going forward first of all Actually utilize the the meshing network that we worked so hard to To integrate whether that be just you know file sync between nodes or actual like real-time communication between users like instant messaging v.o.i.p even And that's just on the current hardware so going forth for future hardware is You know try to eliminate additional radios because theoretically We don't actually need that second wi-fi radio to do what we're trying to do Oh, however, I should just mention the other thing is that our the our peg leg units will mesh with Pirate boxes that are mesh enabled as well So if you have one of those we can chat Yeah, wink up And then going forward. Yeah, we're you know We've been discussing ideas the past few days with a few people that we we've ran into about How small can we get this and how? dope can we get this to be There's a lot of ideas and we think that the this kind of platform has a lot of potential of enabling like persistent storage within the body that you can't lose or Forget to grab or get stolen and then of course like communication If you could have a decentralized communication platform that exists within you as opposed to relying on An internet connection then that would be that would be good one in What important thing about this v2? It's about an eighth of the size of the first one It's about half as thick a quarter of the footprint much much smaller But at the same time it's still a multi-purpose computer board. It has gpi on it. It has all these things that are still superfluous and unnecessary so with v3 There's theoretically you could get this down much much smaller for that we're thinking Postage stamp size and something much thinner that could slide under the skin with a less gnarly procedure. They're they're getting easier and easier And we hope that that trend will continue and additionally the reason that I think William Gibson at the beginning Is that if you remember the idea of an encrypted data courier It's real now because what can happen is I can spin up my network in my leg And you can put an encrypted file on it because it's an open network And then if we make a deal and you give me a couple of bitcoins I can fly to Oh, say mainland china or hong kong and the person that needs your data Can get it because I just walk in and I spin up my network and because it's encrypted with your system I don't have access to it And if we all remember our favorite little short story that William Gibson wrote For omni magazine in 1981 And now it's real Oh Yeah, um, so we're raising dolphins currently. Um, we're trying to train them without Giving them heroin. We're trying to do more positive reinforcement because we believe in animal rights Uh, we give them lots of hugs and cuddles and fish and we don't enclose them We try and lure them in from the wild to work with us voluntarily because you know consent is important So um We're gonna pull the video um out of my Uh computer for just a second. So bear with us for the the blue screen So, uh, while this presentation has been going on and while we're in the back of the room there Don't know what that is. Oh, that's Bear with us somebody's desktop background We're doing the ab check now, but when I was back in the room earlier, we filmed We filmed the introduction to this and then we transferred that to a peg leg and um, then download I transferred it uploaded it from my phone and then we downloaded it on this laptop. Um, so now we can watch that This was just carried over that system. Um Yeah Here's the actual unit still warm in my hand from the stream And um, we'll have a couple of these and you can come take a look at them Um, so this is the big deal Pirate box is about to be shut down Matias said he's not going to do any more work because he doesn't have any help and he doesn't have any time now I know there are developers in this room. I know that everyone in this room knows a developer or three or 10 or 500 Please Please Go help this man build this platform. It is so important. It is so important It's the reason that I I let a dear friend stab me and And put electronics under my skin. This is important. So we have these two qr codes that oh, oh, we need a Sorry, I thought I had my screen out, but I didn't hear so I have these two qr codes Which should come up in a moment. Um The one on the left Is the one for connecting to the pirate box development page You can go there and you can ask matias and say, how can I help? Here's if you you know if you have any skills that are pertinent Help this man because he's doing it solo and he's gonna stop if he doesn't get any help Go help him. He's on twitter too. Okay. Go find him. He's awesome Um, if you want to see our little page that has like a modicum of documentation It's on the it's the other qr code And that has some more information about the project It has some people that we think and it also has that documentation Remember we built this using all off the shelf parts. It's something that anybody can build That's a big purpose of this whole thing and that's the thing if you don't want to put this under your skin It becomes significantly easier. You literally can flash an sd card stick it in a raspberry pi Zero w attach a second wi-fi card and it will spin up. I mean it's a 15 minute build. It's incredible um, so the Yeah Let's go make it better. Thank you all so much And when I recover emotionally here, we'll take a few questions. I'll let nick start go Yes So in the testing that we've done The coding that it has helps helps to kind of disperse that heat It's not just the one chip that's in contact with your body. Um, that sort of helps to um Diffuse it diffuse the heat and so far we haven't had any issues and we stress tested that A lot before deciding to put it in because of course you don't want something burning a hole in your leg Or in my leg. Yeah So I think that is mainly governed right now by um the sd card. So Writing that many many times reading that many many times. Um, that's can Have wear on it. Um, and so what we've done is um What we've done is set it up so that it's doing that a minimum amount of times I believe it's every five minutes that it rewrites in a single batch That way you have minimal wear. Um, but at the same time It's not that complex to get them back out of your body and replace that sort of thing So so we've got about five minutes. We can take maybe one or two more Interfere like if it were running when you went through a metal detector If you only went through a metal detector, it should be fine If you went through a backscatter machine I assume that you're going to have some pretty bad interference problems And you probably won't be able to hold a connection But it you your power will probably not disconnect so you could have it running continuously And then once that thing is done scanning then anything that's linked to it could probably reconnect But again, that's one of the things is the power is all passive So only if you put a battery up to it is it running. So yeah, if it's off and I'm just walking around then No big deal. Yeah. Uh, I think there was one more over here. Yes, miss. Yeah the green hair Sorry, so yeah, that'd be fun capture the flag competition for the peg legs Um, let's talk maybe we can set that up I think we have maybe wanted to any any other questions. Are we all done? Do we have one more over here? Yeah. Yeah Okay, okay. Thank you all so much. We are so happy about what we've done and we're gonna celebrate I think we're gonna go have drinks and you're all invited. So thank you all so much for coming


Up you idiot a Arnold Schwarzenegger theme metal band called Arno core All of their songs which are actually pretty good are inspired by Arnold Schwarzenegger movies Or as the lead singer says the Bavarian legends that inspired the tripe that came to Hollywood From the Bavarian folktales Including my favorite, which was the kindergarten cop song For which the who is your daddy? No, it was you lack discipline Because I think the best line from that movie is who is your daddy and what does he do? Well, that was a huge part of the breakdown. Yeah. Oh good. Okay. Okay. That's all that awesome Also, and it's it's it's the top line from the Arnold pranks outboard. Yes. Yeah It's not or it's not a tumor. Is that a song too? Yeah, it's got to be right. Yeah, but it's my movie. Oh All right. Okay Well, let's get the show on the road ready ready here we go Oh This is the Daily Tech news for Monday October 5th 2015 on Tom air We got a jam-packed show today Veronica Belmont in as she is most Mondays. How you doing Veronica? Excellent. How are you Tom? Excellent Justin Robert young also joining us today a surprise Monday appearance. How are you doing Justin?  I'm here for you the public at large Creeping on my Monday Justin just saying I couldn't stay away because Veronica had the brilliant idea of inviting Eddie Caddell live-stream consultant drone hacker and film festival director to talk about the the drone film fest He's putting together Eddie. How's it going man? It's going fantastic for Monday for a Monday. Yeah for Monday. It's probably like crazy good because you know You're alive All right, well, we got some headlines to get to first let's start there It's good Monday for Jack Dorsey. It's official He is the CEO of Twitter losing the interim designation business insider reports The decision was made Wednesday according to a Twitter sec filing Adam Bain the former president of global revenue was promoted to COO while former CEO Dick Costolo leaves the board of directors Dorsey was Twitter's first CEO and will remain The current CEO of Square. Thanks to Skyboard 13 for posting this up on the subreddit Sometimes we know a story is going to be big But if you posted on the subreddit it helps us know just how many people are interested and maybe get some comments from folks Not a surprise. We kind of knew this was coming. I've been leaked out last week, but can Dorsey do it to companies and be More of a consistent product vision than some people think he was in the first round It seems to think that or people seem to think that Square is kind of it's running itself at this point Or there's some level of automation going on where he feels he can kind of let that happen and continue on the path That it's on the trajectory while he comes back to Twitter and really shakes things up a bit because that's the company I think that probably needs the most help right now Square is already in step three profit. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, basically Well, but also really this question is never whether Jack Dorsey can do it It is whether Jack Dorsey can put big strong leaders that are actually monitoring a lot more the day-to-day Below him in both companies. It seems like his focus is now Twitter Which you know a lot of the coverage on this makes a very very very good point Twitter although very influential for people like me and a lot of people who listen to shows like this has lagged behind and not kept up a growth pace and We could see one of the bigger stories of next year of the year after that be you know an upstart Social network like snapchat, which was once thought to be a curiosity passing the usage numbers of Twitter which we consider to be a bigger company so very interesting times for Jack How would you feel being an employee at a company knowing that your CEO is dividing his time? I Mean, I don't know ask SpaceX and Tesla. That's a very good example It's a very good example. That is a good example and at tech TV We didn't have a CEO for the last couple years, so I bet it feels the opposite of that Probably all right Well moving on adobe made a lot of announcements at its max conference and venture beat has a very good summary of them Among the highlights are a new iOS app out today called photoshop fixed for late editing and retouching also an iOS and Android Out app today called capture that collects functions from the brush hue color and shape apps a UX prototyping app called project Comet Behance Pro site gets renamed adobe portfolio artboard support for Photoshop and touchscreen support for InDesign and illustrator People seem to be receiving these changes positively And I think it shows that adobe a lot of people thought maybe adobe was would hit troubled waters Because flash is pretty much done and people thought man photoshop. It's too expensive. You can you can do more lightweight things How are they gonna make the transition to mobile? They've made it very well People seem to love these apps and they keep coming up with smart free versions versus paid versions versus subscription versions So it looks like adobe's just still hitting on all cylinders when it comes to their creative sweet anyway I also think that where apple went with the iPad Pro is betting on this idea that there is a whole new realm of creative professionals for whom want just a big larger canvas that are going to really really get usage out of You know a suite of apps that adobe has made their living building especially with the touchscreen support It's just it. Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna blow it out of the water for that Yeah, it's a really good point Android 6.0 aka Marshmallow is now available for the Nexus 5 6 7 9 and nexus player Again repeat nexus 5 6 7 9 and nexus player. All right Moving on you can now download the factory firmware images at developer google slash android slash nexus slash images Marshmallow provides improved battery life management new more efficient app permissions Handlings and the now on tap which pulls up relevant info based on whatever is on the screen The update also provides native fingerprint support for compatible devices like the upcoming nexus nexus 5x and 6t almost got to the end of that without screwing up. They need new versions I I Feel like OS Updates aren't as exciting and I'm not just talking about Android. I'm talking about iOS 2 like I don't I don't Like rush to update like I used to To get the new features and I think that's just because mobile OSes are fairly mature at this point. Well, yeah I mean, yeah, we're at a fairly stable point of for Android, you know, it's it's always also another level of whether or not you care based on what? Model you have and based on how much you're going to get out of the functionality depending on what phone is in your hand So it's very curious. Although everybody who has the pure Android installs that really really loves the OS I'm sure really thrilled to update it today I mean, I've got an access nine and I will update it before the end of the day And I you know, I'm looking forward to a few of the improvements. So but not an eight You tell you tell sat the French telecom company announced today That they will partner with Facebook to provide satellite internet connectivity to 14 countries in West East and Southern Africa The entire broadband payload of a space com Amos 6 satellite will be used once it's launched in the second half of 2016 Capacity will be shared between you tell sat and Facebook You tell sat is establishing a new company in London to steer its business in Africa while Facebook is likely to use their capacity for the free basics by Facebook Initiative from internet.org though no details about the connection have been announced I've poured over all of the announcements and the and the press release from you tell sat and they all mentioned Facebook's internet.org but none of them had a sentence that said this project will use Free basics for Facebook and I think that may be because of some of the controversy surrounding it regarding zero rating Etc. Yeah, the second I heard about this I'm like, oh, this has got to be through the the free basics by Facebook situation that just makes sense there They just want to blanket the world with Facebook And I think it's not necessarily a bad thing, especially if they're providing access to countries that have a harder time getting it And this is gonna be great, especially rural areas to have this kind of satellite Internet you tell sat will probably pick up a few customers That's the idea with free basics for Facebook is people start using the free stuff and then maybe they want more they go and they subscribe if they if they can afford it and You're you're going to see you know this working with off-the-shelf mobile technology, which is very popular in Africa, especially sub-Saharan Africa Definitely, this is good news for Justin Phillips announced a new version of its hue hub that supports Apple's home kit That means that Siri can turn your lights on and off while the hub still works with third-party systems like Nest and smart Things the new hue hub will be available October 6th for $60 and owners of the old hue hub can upgrade for $40. That's what you use, right? Oh Yeah, look at this. We're at the beach now. Oh, beautiful Oh, wait, some blue light nice. Here's one called Kathy for no reason How about the cartoon? Yeah, no, I love that the hue bulbs I use them for our studio here in Oakland and I'll be excited to use it. I really I don't know. I'll have to look you know more into it I don't know what the functionality really is Beyond, you know, super connectivity home automation nerds right now But hopefully integrating Siri makes the user interface a little bit more of a readily available tool for instead of inside the clap-on You can just hey Siri that instead, right? You don't have to it's a nice added feature And I'm glad that more more Home services are getting under home kit and working that way. It's nice to have everything under one banner So you can make sure that it's all usable and you don't have to have different systems in place So that's good for me as an iOS user, but it may not be for someone who's not necessarily on that platform well, and and that's the problem is that we're just going to have these Gigantic tents fight with each other until one of them just blankets the world which is really frustrating because you get the feeling right now That if there was an open standard, we could have the future could be today But it's not because everybody's competing with each other and trying to set up their own ecosystem So everybody buys, you know, the proverbial razors instead of you know, just going it and putting the best efforts of the consumer first Well, and that's why I'm hoping that maybe one Pathforward and I know that this is debated hotly amongst the folks who follow this Market really closely one path forward is you get more of these hubs that make Whatever protocol you happen to be using on a device irrelevant because the hub can can help everything I know there's a lot of people who are against hubs and just want things to connect directly That's what weave is about with nest So yeah, I mean there's a lot of paths forward. We just haven't figured them out all quite Yeah, we've got about six different home automation systems running in our house that don't connect or talk to each other at all And that's that's kind of a crappy way of going about it, but you know, we're not quite there yet And also chat room is upset because I just initiated everyone's clappers Sorry No, that one old lady in bed is so annoyed right now. I'll fix it clap off Okay, there you go all back to normal 3000 sent us a telegraph report that's starting in November the first self-driving Electric shuttles for use on public roads will take passengers between where do you In the Netherlands province of It's Gelderland you can get that one Well, here. No, all right, smarty pants and do you go ahead and pronounce wagon engine and eed in the Netherlands province of Gelderland He practiced that he practiced also probably not right. It's all in this. It's all in the confidence that you would you say it oh I didn't I didn't portray absolute confidence These amazing names The six-person we pod has the maximum speed of 25 kilometers per hour The vehicles will take passengers along a fixed route monitored from a control room and booked by an app During the test phase the we pods will not run during rush hour or in bad weather Other routes and regions in the Netherlands are expected to be added from May 2016 onward, you know There was a really interesting blog post on medium this week about the the secret messages in Elon Musk's Tesla announcement from last week about how it's actually You know the the new cars really all about automated driving and all the features he discussed make perfect sense for an automated Vehicle and it just seems like we are really cruising a lot. Oh, I made a pun by accident And then I had to stop So much is shamed herself Wait for someone to point it out. She's even faster than you in her own shaming Self-driving self-shaming so many autonomous systems And speaking of real roads Daimler just conducted the first test of its semi-autonomous highway pilot system on Autobahn 8 in Germany the system was put into a Mercedes-Benz Actrose truck which steered itself down the highway using radar and a stereo camera away while under the watchful eye Of a crew sitting inside back There's a video in which some Daimler executives list all the safety and policy steps needed to put something like this in the field Officially while not driving the big-ass truck For for part of the video though as soon as they start talking about safety You can see the guy puts his hands on the wheel and leaves them there the rest of the video. It's interesting Was Daimler the same company that had those initial rumored conversations with Apple last year? They were one of them. I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so I mean it's just it's to me. This is like we're actually getting Self-driving shuttles in the Netherlands on real roads We're getting this is the second incidence of a test of self-driving trucks on real roads There was another one. I think in Florida recently. This the stuff is happening Cruisin along I don't know because it worked again. It worked again Security company Palo Alto Networks identified new iOS malware they call is it I'm sorry. Is it yeast specter Y specter? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay It's why I specter that infects devices that use iOS 8.3 or older a user must download an app from outside the Apple app store It then uses a fake certificate to take advantage of private APIs TechCrunch reports Apple says iOS 9 prevents the issue caught the issue caused by Y specter yeast specter And Apple has revoked the certificates used in its apps most affected users live in China and Taiwan this one's a less Concerning to me than the last one where they sneaked malware into the Apple app store This one is goes with the simple caveats of if you're going from, you know Untrusted sources or sources outside the Apple app store You have to be extra careful about what you install on your machine because the last one was a was a bunk X code Version, right? Yeah, not a certified Xcode version. What's amazing is how much Apple has won that war of Forcing everybody to use that app store ecosystem like when I'm on my on my MacBook And and I get very frustrated when the the setting is I can't download apps from third parties I Get very very angry at it, but on my phone. I'm like, yeah, come on Downloads an app from anywhere, but the app store It's it's fascinating how much of that that that's just a victory for them Well, yeah, and we talked about this a little bit last week as well on how we've come to just completely Implicitly trust anything from the app store and that's why that Xcode vulnerability was so crazy Because developers were using that infected Xcode build and that was causing infected versions of the apps to come out in China and that's a big deal because you you just have this level of trust with app store apps And but when you start from bad code, it turns out, you know, that it's not always going to be the case And and now whenever you have these stories of app store censorship app store update delays You can just imagine somewhere in Cupertino You have the the a few good men Courtroom scene of like like no you need me on that wall to keep bunk Xcode malware from getting into your iPhone Exactly just shaking their heads and disapproval did you order the Xcode purge? You lieutenant Weinberg as the era of 4k approaches the HDMI group Which is in charge of standards for HDMI cables has created a premium certification cables with that label have been tested at an HDMI group center to make short cables can stream Full 18 gigs needed for HDMI 2.0 spec the group says the cable should support for a full 4k resolution and high dynamic range or HDR Picture quality. Yeah So don't so don't get fooled But also what price are we gonna be charged? I mean what's it calls up in premium even in the standard? It starts to make people feel like they could charge you more for it That's a good conversation to have with mr. Robert Herron on a future episode as well. Absolutely Finally the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal was signed by 11 countries today and guess what the secretly negotiated trade deal Still hasn't released the text so we don't know what they agreed to officially. There's been lots of leaks There's lots of guesses EFF has a nice write up about what's probably in there of concern to tech enthusiasts Are rules regarding digital copyright being harmonized across the signing countries? Essentially what is thought to be in there is an agreement that the digital Millennium Copyright Act Procedures will have to be adopted by those other 10 countries in the partnership So I'm gonna wait to really look at what's in there until we know for sure Because there were some fair use defenses being pushed by some of the countries involved Biggest criticism of this is that the United States as it does with most trade compacts negotiated in secret But did allow several copyright holding representatives to come to the negotiations big Hollywood companies Big publishers and didn't really allow a voice for those of us who would like to defend fair use and public domain. I mean Yeah, what we lose public domain forever I mean listen, I'm just saying everything's probably gonna be fine And this isn't at all a watershed moment that we're gonna be yelling and screaming about for the next two decades You heard it here first. Hi words Hey submit your stories and vote on them daily tech news show reddit.com helps us figure out what we want to talk about and like I said It's not just oh, I know they're gonna cover that so let me submit an interesting story Although we do love that Even if it's the obvious story submit it so we can see how many people really are interested You guys can comment on it Maybe get some insights from you that we wouldn't have had daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that's a look at the headlines Alright Eddie, thank you for patiently waiting while we went through all the headlines there Be ready to talk about the Flying Robot International Film Festival. Absolutely. Let's do it. Alright, so if I've got this right There are cash prizes. There are also prizes prizes and you've got six categories cinematic drones for good aerial sports Lol WTF I made that and student films as well as a best-of-show With yeah, we don't have to go through every single one of them But you know, what's kind of the idea? What are the things that you're looking for and what made you want to do this film festival? Yeah, good questions Well, you know, there's there's so much different drone content that's being made out there right now and You know, we see beautiful stuff that's being done. You know the cinematic categories is certainly got the lion's share of the the submissions, but I think there's a lot of cool stuff that people are doing with drones that Are really not being talked about very much So so part of the impetus was to create a film festival that was Focused not just on the beautiful cinematics, but the some of the stories of how drones are being used in the various contexts I Was gonna say Eddie you've been the probably the person for me in San Francisco that first was really talking about drones and using drones And especially using them for for film and video production What do you think some are the biggest? Misconceptions that people have about consumer drones and and do you hope that this film festival will kind of curtail some of that? Yeah, absolutely. So, you know one of the categories is drones for good and the you know, there's there's a lot of You know, a lot of people have assumptions that drones are being used for evil and they certainly are in some context And so I think part of it is highlighting You know how how drones are actually being used for humanitarian purposes at least it for that particular category the you know, they're being used to deliver food aid medical aid to War to Syria specifically or at least that's that's one project. That's that's being kind of Up put forward. There's you know monitoring of Jungle areas in this in South America to to track You know anti-poaching and and deforestation and so I think part of it is just you know dispelling the negative side of drone You know drone drone use joint drone Stories that are popping up in the media all the time and saying, you know, these are you know We know that they're great filmmaking tools, but there are also tools that can be used for a numerous category of other things that are that are fun and beneficial You know using drones for a cinematic purpose is probably the most non controversial use of What is a very very broad spectrum? Do you feel a responsibility with a or an event like this to Demonstrate that this being the friendliest face to just show that drones are not a scary death dealing device I think I think I do have a little bit of responsibility I mean, I think anybody who's out there kind of talking about drones and doing stuff Implicitly has that responsibility, you know a little bit I mean, I don't think it's you know, everybody has to state the case and say, you know This is not a an arm drum that's gonna, you know shoot you or violate your privacy but at the same time I think by You know by sort of showcasing behaviors in which drones are being used positively I think can kind of change the narrative around a bit What do you think are the oh go ahead Tom no you go ahead Veronica I was gonna say I you mentioned that the cinematic category is probably the most popular that has been submitted so far But what for example, lol wtf. What does that constitute? Are those like drones accidentally crashing while filming or are they just like random stuff? What falls under there? Yeah, I would say That just the crashing videos definitely is is something that that fits and we have a few of those submissions I you know one example that I the example that actually made me decide that we needed to have this category Was something called cow art so if people Google cow art or hashtag cow art you'll find it but basically the video is of a farmer in I think Nebraska somewhere or whatever who's like driving around in this tractor and he's got a drone and he flew it up in the air and he's just hovering above his paddock and And he's a he's actually cattle rancher so he has like 200 or 300 heads of cattle that come out and he ends up putting cattle feed out in the in the You know on the on the paddock there in the form of what turns out to be a smiley face You figure that out about five minutes into the video you realize that he's laying that out and then so he's got In the video you see him kind of like you know controlling things and driving the tractor around and then you see the perspective of the drone from a top-down view and then all of a sudden you see these black cows forming the Smiley face and he goes around and kind of fills in the gaps where there's not enough cows or there's you know Or if there's too many he kind of shoes the food away a little bit by the end of it You have a nice happy set of 300 cows creating a smiley face. So that's that's very much a LOL WTO kind of video That is you're like I need I need to have a category for that How can I make this video win the festival is what Eddie said yes It needs a real category. Um, so what is what does your gear look like like for your personal setup? I know you do a lot of quadcopter drone videos for clients in your day-to-day work What is your stack look like well, so for so I've got a fleet of drones That I have built and purchased right so if I'm doing you know photography stuff my my my primary Drone these days is a DJI Phantom 3 which has a 4k camera on it. It's a great, you know It's a great decent sized The quality that comes out of that is is great for how much it costs the You know it's the the sensor on the camera is is comparable to a GoPro So you know we're not talking high-end stuff, but it's decent enough and it looks great actually for most for most average things Now I don't do a lot of high-end cinematography using drones. You know, they're definitely Heavy lifters that you can put red cameras on or DSLRs But my so from photography stuff. That's mostly what I do. But what I do have here is Some of the drones that I've built which are used for different purposes.  Yes, not a fence. There's no most of yeah Most of our listeners are on audio. So it was a quadcopter with four Propellers on it. Yeah, right. No animals who kennels dogs right, right? There's no right exactly aerial dog fighting Kind of like robot wars in the air. Okay. It's never saying Eddie is the Michael Vick of He is definitely not but you've got the aerial sports category in there for stuff like that, right? So well exactly and let's just put this one out real quick This is the first one I built. This is also used as a combat drone What's interesting about this guy is that the airframe is just two wood sticks These are just poplar sticks with a little piece of plastic PVC in the middle there I'm gonna see that that would just fall apart if I got hit. Well, you know, and it does But the nice thing about it is since everything is held on by zip ties It's really really easy to fix on the fly there and it actually it's quite resilient. It doesn't This thing is on the plane Yes, my puns are coming up Without me knowing either but just to go back to the aerial sports category So I've got this little guy, which is an FPV racer and sorry for the guys for the people at home who are audio listeners But I'm holding a little 180 Size quadcopter that is made for what what is known as FPV racing and what's cool about this is you wear goggles like these And you are essentially viewing video of a wireless directly from the drone so you see what the drone sees as it's racing and You know three or four. They're almost like VR goggles. You're getting one, you know vision in each eye, right? Right, except they're not stereo. It's just that there's a single camera on here So it's just yeah, basically at least at this point. I mean there's there's people working on stereo scopic You know camera vision as well and actually Oculus I've seen there's an Oculus project right now where people are controlling drones with that Yeah, no, I've actually seen some of that it is fascinating fascinating. What is what is, you know? Capable now, you know, especially in terms of just live streaming. They what these amazing visuals are in 3d. All right You're your submission deadline is October 15th. Let's say I'm gonna go and buy a quadcopter I'm gonna come over to your place or I'm gonna build one of the ones that you've already built You know right now. I want to get in here before the 15th. What is the best category? Somebody listening to this would be able to do to submit in what what do you think is is what? What do they focus their energy on that is an excellent question If you are a student associated with any university whatsoever or not even a university, but you know any any institution educational institution Definitely submit in the student film category. The reason I say that not just because we don't have a whole lot of student film submissions yet But also it's kind of a wide-open category. So you could submit a narrative, you know Feature five-minute feature or you could it could be kind of like a maker how-to video or it can be something you're doing with you know Your dad Whatever it's pretty wide open. So the student films if you if you fit that category will be a great one to submit to Otherwise, I would say definitely the lol wtf. We could always use some more ridiculous hilarious weird videos films and then I'd say after that probably Maybe the I made that category that we can probably use a few more submissions in that category Finally, so be announced and the films screened at the Roxy theater in San Francisco November 19th if you want to attend that is it best to just go to the website and and take a look good Yeah, scrap tickets tickets around sale now. Definitely plenty available. Yeah, if you just go to the frift website There's there's a link for tickets and yeah, you can spy on 15 bucks ahead and I'll be there Yeah, Veronica will be there and we're having a reception prior to the Screening that everyone who's bought a ticket is invited to as well. So you know, I don't know if we mentioned this But but Veronica's not gonna be there. She's gonna be a judge. You're gonna judge this event, right? Right V. I'm I do love judging things Another advantage you could take with your film is not to butter up Veronica. She's incorruptible. So I'm pretty sure I am I mean you could try I'm pretty sure I'm you said look There's a lot of judges first of all, so buttering up just one isn't gonna do it But yeah, you know play played her strengths cats in the WTF might you know, good No, Twitter handles are all listed you if you want to if you want to try to bribe the judges Who am I to say that you can't do that except the organizer This is great Eddie, I'm so glad you're doing this. This is fantastic So well as as he said f r i f f.co, right frif.co Check it out One thing before we stop talking drones Mike in momentarily rainy Riverside wrote regarding the news story We covered on Friday that the FAA regulations have missed their deadline says what about taking some lessons from skydiving any jumps I make in the US are in compliance with the United States Parachute Association guidelines USPA issues skydiving licenses as well as publishing training manuals and course guidelines the FAA has authority over skydiving Under 14 CFR part 105 parachute operations, but the specifics of the sport are set forth by the USPA The drone industry could benefit from this same kind of self-regulated government hands-off approach And in fact the model Aircraft societies have been trying to push for just that thing. I don't know if that's anything connected with what you're doing Eddie But how do you feel about that? Yeah, I completely agree. I think I think it's up to sort of the players in this industry to sort of come up with their own guidelines and You know get the FAA to adopt that and I think we're kind of we're kind of moving towards that in terms of what the FAA is potentially going to Okay, so you know there's there are regulations that the FAA has put forth that it's considering and there was a public comment period where people could You know some comments on it. That's over now But we're looking at probably next year in which you know assuming if the proposed regulations go forth We'll be enabled and they're actually fairly common sense And I think most people who are who are flying drones today can get behind it and simple things like you know Taking taking a written test. You don't have to be an airplane pilot Which is the requirement now to get a what they call a 333 exemption The so it would just be a written test Maybe 25 hours of you know flight time to show that you actually know how to fly this thing And if it's if it's an off-the-shelf drone that You know that that is known such as a TGI or a 3d robotics Then you don't need to have what's called an airworthiness certificate because you're not inventing it If it is something that you're making then that that maybe opens things up to a different category But ultimately it's mostly common sense now the one pushback that I've heard back That I've heard from some people is the there's no No ability to do FPV style Flying so it all has to be line of sight Which is really problematic for FPV racing and that in that burgeoning industry Yeah, and I and this doesn't apply to the hobbyist in their backyard either right that you're talking about people who wanted to get Commercial license. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, this is for commercial flight anything beyond the hobbyist stuff Yeah, all right our pick of the day comes from Philip Shane documentary producer Philip Shane Maybe I don't know if you've got a drone Phil, but you know, you might want to think about it He's probably got plenty of other stuff going on But he wanted to recommend beats one a great radio station He says better than most I listened to when I was growing up three main DJs are excellent I'm particularly partial to Ebro other DJs who fill some of the in-between time slots aren't as good But the special shows are almost universally excellent all the DJs and shows on the stations actually It's basically a podcast network put a strong emphasis on education and discovery Which I love and he kept it after the three-month trial he kept on listening So if you dropped off of beats one Phil saying hey, it's it's still a good station Send your picks to us feedback at daily tech news show comm you can find my picks at daily tech news show comm slash picks Couple of messages before we're done. Oh, go ahead. Sorry I actually kind of second that and I almost wish that They would embrace some of the podcast elements a little bit more like Like as I would like to I feel like I would subscribe to some of the podcasts and then be more interested to listen live When I have I feel like if you could catch it on demand Yeah You know whenever I've caught, you know, they've like run the jewels as a show There's there's a lot of I mean Dr. Dre's got a show There's a lot of like really really cool stuff there that I feel like they could probably get out a little bit better with podcasting Ben wrote in and said as you guys were bringing up ad blocking Darren mentioned setting up a land-based proxy for ad blocking and Recently I set up something similar on my land at home But instead of using a proxy to filter everything it simply blocked ad domains through DNS This allows you to app apply automatically to all DHCP clients via router settings and not require any sort of SSL or HTTPS setup it's set up on a Raspberry Pi Becomes your DNS server has a black list of ad domains and if it receives a query for one It redirects it back to a black web page hosted by itself the Raspberry Pi instead of sending the user to the ad domain I'd highly recommend it to anyone who wants to do land-based ad blocking Just pick up a Raspberry Pi and install the Raspberry Pi whole 2.0 software And he says look as a service if you want to try this out I set up a digital ocean droplet that I'll leave up until Friday. We'll have the DNS a number in I'm sorry not the DS now the IP address in the Show notes. I'm not gonna put it out on the podcast always be wary We think Ben's fine, but always be wary pointing your domain serving at any other IP address But if you're feeling like you want to try it out, we'll provide that there He says feel free to use it as your DNS server He does recommend Putting like <IP_ADDRESS> in as the alternate server because he will take it down sometime this weekend And he doesn't want to take you offline Thank you, Ben from getting chillery chillier chillery chillier Wisconsin, which was getting chillery here Chad writes I've been a police officer for approximately 16 years I've been a detective for about eight and the last five years have been involved in digital forensics I have a fairly good idea how much evidence is gathered from tech that comes through the police department and to date I am not aware of a single case that has been lost and a suspect went free due to evidence being encrypted Well, I will quickly admit that I'm sure it happens weekly in this nation at the city state federal law enforcement level I just do not think it's that common He says if evidence is encrypted here are your choices as a law enforcement officer crack the encryption ask for the password he says yes people give us their passwords and Find the evidence another way I'm a police officer and I support the following law abiding citizens people being held responsible for their actions I'm protecting the rights of everyone even convicted felons and putting bad people in jail I do not support the following government required backdoors to software government required backups of citizen information criminal or not government forcing I just went to the wrong place government forcing you to do stuff You don't want to basically government forcing anyone to provide a password to law enforcement or force to enter a password for law Enforcement anything that sidesteps the first fourth fifth amendments. Let's be honest any of the amendments Bill of Rights or the whole Constitution will have his full email Available in the show notes at daily tech news show comm because he goes into a lot more detail but it was really interesting from someone who is actually in the business and Tony has a tip if you're a Twitter user and you want to do a post on Twitter that is longer than 140 characters He's like just at reply to yourself But then delete the app part and it will still show up as a threaded post But it won't keep at you know filling up things with at and then you could do a big long big long thread That's good for tweet storms. Yeah. Yeah, if you want a tweet storm some people don't want to tweet storm. Yeah, but I love it Thank you, Tony and Thank you Eddie for joining us man. It was great remind folks where they can go Just to view information about the festival to submit and all that stuff. Yeah Thanks for having me on so the flying robot International Film Festival can be found on the internet at at frift.co That's F F R. Sorry wait F R. Hi F F co and Or you could just go to my website, which is eddie.com eddie.ie.com And there's a link right at the very top and follow him on Twitter e chi e k a I and on Instagram too You have a good Instagram feed. Oh, thanks. Yeah, I love taking photos. Yeah, always interesting stuff like with the maker fairs and everything And good drone photos Veronica Belmont and gadget.com slash deer dash Veronica ask her questions twitter.com slash Veronica anything else going on No Don't think so sort of laser sort of laser sort of laser calm We'll have an interview with Jane Gates from convolution coming out in the feed this week Well, maybe we might actually put up our our interview with Andy we're from the Martian Right a little more timely and we thought people might enjoy Re-listening to that it was a few years ago It was Andy we're and Daniel Suarez in a joint interview at SF and SF Back in I think 2013, but we will have an interview with Jane Gates from convolution coming out. Absolutely Justin Robert young twitter.com slash Justin our young the contender dot US go by the contender people Yeah, no, absolutely. I believe it was right after your interview with Andy We're I went to go see him and Suarez talk and I got him to take a picture with me where we both gave Brian brush with the Middle finger because Brian Got up about how much he loved the Martian and that's what he got for his troubles was the author giving him the middle finger Yeah, true story. 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I don't know why I just I do it in my head every single time I hear it. I know we're still live by the way Yeah, like I want that sound but more farty Yeah, yeah, you used to think that was more of a fart than it actually is I think I know It sounds more like a splat that sounds like a splat It sounds, you know, when you when you buy the wet hot American summer DVD, they have a commentary track That's just the cast making extra fart sounds I feel like that's just the soundtrack that Veronica wants over life. Yeah Has anyone ever done a done like a director's cut? It's just just hard commentary on I Well, what oh no was burps it was belches, but somebody did a super cut of all the Rick and Morty burps. Oh God Yes, I love Rick and Morty so much. I haven't seen the finale yet. Oh I heard it's really good. Oh good Hey Veronica have you heard The the Rick and Morty concept album that's me kick kick started right now. No Yeah, Ali Gerritz. He's a friend of the show. I think she's actually gonna be a night attack this week I take my money. I will text you. She like texted me some of the rough cuts. I'm gonna really dig it It's amazing. What should we call this show by the way? Oh, right time for a showbot. Let's see Self-shaming clappers What Oh self-shaming clappers got it got it got it. I Definitely want to know what you thought I said. I said Belf. Oh, what's that an acronym for that? I don't know I can't tell you because we're on a nice family show Is it really is it really something? Okay Let's see I'm laughing at cruising along Like two drones enter one drone leave that's good. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's good This land is your land For a woody geth recall. Yeah, are you guys to look in the chat? TV collects all of the suggestions from the chat room During the course of the show if you want to take a look Facebook Show about TV. Yeah, and then people can vote on them Interesting. I like CEO. I don't know if you can do this, right? But CEO To the second power. Yeah, that's been getting thrown around just on Twitter a lot today, too It's CEO and then carrot to I can do it. Okay. Yeah Yeah, I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the the obvious correlation To Steve Jobs running two companies as well and then you know going Seems like He'll see so he's the next jobs, but I think they might be a little bit of maybe that's the problem people are really like Well, I mean like and there's really like the the next person in that kind of pantheon hierarchy is Elon Musk Who's currently doing it? So Yes, you can be a successful CEO or you can be the mega success Who runs two companies at the same time? But really both of them Both Steve Jobs and Elon Musk every, you know I had the company that they paid most attention to but even then they had extraordinarily strong deputies that ran Day-to-day and they were not micro managers and that I think is really what you would if you know from Previous reporting would have to worry about Dorsey because he was a kind of famous micromanager by the time that he left Twitter the last time to believe published reports All right, I have to pick the title now. I'm exporting the file. So I think I think CEO squared Yeah, it's the runaway hit Facebook in space is always classic and I really like cruising along but Cruisin along. I think it'll come back. It'll come back. Sure. Sure. I can make sure that happens That one's definitely one you can use on another day CEO squared not so much. So, yeah All right That's the new CEO's like having two companies being one CEO with two major tech companies. It's like the new Weird status symbol because you can't buy any more Teslas. So like you might as well have two companies My other company is a super successful startup tech company Yeah, that's what this feels like like you want more and more if you on Musk had a bumper sticker that said my other company is Tesla Oh my god, that's it my other company is a Tesla. Well, he has three solar city, too Well, yeah, and then there's his, you know, he just gave one away hyperloop. Yeah, he's like look I can't have four even Elon Musk has a has a limit Because he talks about himself in the third person I expect when I still think he needs to have his own His own line of clone Elon's Musk for a half second. I thought you said plan not close cologne. Well clone makes Yeah, probably does You can tell them apart, right? Clone cologne Everybody there's gonna be a serial TV show Did we know now? No, it's not a podcast It's Lord Miller. Yeah Like as much as the idea of a serial TV show kind of makes me want to Make one of those Veronica Belmont fart sounds. I love literally anything Lord of Miller. So I'm in I'm on the fence. I probably won't watch it What the serial TV show I don't even like serial to be honest, I'm Podcast, you know, we're not talking about the breakfast Yes, just making sure yes, I know my Sure because I just wrote an oatmeal guy cuz my profile picture had me standing the serial hell. Is that why? Really? Yeah, that's also true. That's very Roger, yeah, you're sending mixed signals about serial instead of standing in the podcast aisle. I don't know But then you you've got a newborn so you have to be extra careful I'm not careful, but extra, you know, you don't get as much time to watch TV So you're not gonna throw away your time on something. You don't like yeah, especially serial I just really question your taste level if you don't like that I question your taste level I question your taste level Just question your side, you know, I only ever listened to half an episode of it What? What is wrong with you people? Wait, I'm serial. Yes. I find it to be really annoying Come on, no, no, I do I don't like I don't like I don't like Dramatizations in that way when it comes to news It's not a dramatization, but the way she the whole way she does it is I'm sorry Wait a minute, I thought you're on the time table. I have to leave by two. Yes. I do have to leave Okay, everybody talk more trash about Stop not liking serial. Yeah Her and Veronica is gonna go you know braid her hair with Sarah Kaynig, you know But don't say podcasts are having a comeback. Yeah, no No, it's a really good show, but but Roger, I don't I don't blame you like I think if you do not like that NPR style Then it can it can great very quickly because it is that NPR style. I Just I it's never been my thing. I don't it's object. It is Objectively good. I'm just gonna put that out there. Nothing You'd be objectively wrong I can see that not every you there's no there's no, you know Taste is taste is you know, I can't judge other people's taste levels I guess what you're trying to say is other people have awful taste and Change that Clearly my taste is good because Eddie made me a judge Because it from you I'm not that worried about Roger stop talking Eddie's trying to talk So I actually flew a drone over one of the locations in serial so my sister lives really close to where a lot that happened in Baltimore and There was a part Henry, which one it is now that one of the parks not where Where the body, you know, not where the woman was murdered Oh, they went through something and I was like, well, this is near where I am I'm just gonna go see if I can fly a drone over the location and you know verify what they were saying And I did and it wasn't that exciting, but I got to fly down another part location. That's cool Exploration of it. Yeah, well, I mean you probably did about as much Okay, okay But I still couldn't verify if there was a payphone at the Best Buy. There you go. That was the tough one That was I mean here's here's the thing is like the show is Good and I do like it but at the same time that's like a 45-minute Conversation in a newsroom on whether or not there is a payphone at the Best Buy and instead it lasted Deep throat like like oh who could it be what oh we had an email from somebody guys This is a person's life on the line. It's dramatic and exciting That's like nails on a chalkboard to me. What is that? You know what I'm doing. I'm not imitating surrogating if that's what you think I'm doing I'm having opinions. Anyway, I'm leaving. I'm going to a photo shoot. Goodbye. Thank you Veronica Belmont for joining us I have to go fabulous and get my hair and makeup done whatever.  You'll see behind I'll just talk. I'll just sub-tweet you all later So thanks everybody for watching Bye guys


Okay, so I'd like to start by thanking the organizers for giving me this excellent opportunity to present our call for participation in the mutation calling benchmark exercise we've put together. Mutation calling benchmark four, this is the fourth benchmarking exercise that TCGA is carried out. So I'm going to tell you a bit about how we've gone about setting this up, what the motivation is, and how to get involved. So just briefly to go over the mutation calling benchmark process in case anyone is unfamiliar. We start out by selecting pairs of tumor and normal BAMs, BAMs contain short read alignments. And these BAMs are then distributed to the participants in the benchmarking exercise and they call mutations and return mutations as VCF files. So VCF stands for variant call file. It's just a standard widely used method for expressing all variety of mutations in a unified file format that we really want to push people to express their mutations in. And so VCFs are collected and compared, compared for concordance and discordance across somatic and we want to encourage people to submit germline calls as well. And so at the end of the day, what we get is a picture of sort of where the field of mutation calling in cancer stands and that's a really valuable thing. Really briefly to give you a little bit of background, make sure we're all on the same page with the kinds of mutations I'm going to be talking about. I'm sure this is fundamental, but SNVs are single nucleotide variants. So just base pair changes that define nucleotide positions. Indels are short, insertions and deletions less than 100 base pairs. Larger rearrangements like insertions, deletions, duplications, inversions, transductions are referred to collectively as structural variants or SVs. And regions where genomes differ from a diploid copy number, differ from an absolute allele count of two are referred to as copy number variant or CNVs. And so since this is benchmark four, clearly there are three other benchmarks which occurred prior to this. Just to go through briefly the history of benchmarking efforts in TCGA. So benchmark one was single nucleotide variant calling on six pairs of whole genomes. Benchmark two was single nucleotide variant calling on 14 pairs, two or normal pairs of exomes. Again, single nucleotide variants on 25 pairs of exomes, this time with associated validation data, so deep sequencing data over selected regions to validate the presence of mutations. And so what I'm calling for participation for today is benchmark four. So in addition to single nucleotide variants, we're going to take indels, SVs and CNVs into account. We're going to do this on whole genomes derived from cell lines. So why is it important that we do another benchmark? So we've done three. Why is it important to do another? Well, if we're going to accomplish the goal of comprehensively characterizing cancer genomes, TCGA has to get together and measure and set standards for the accuracy of mutation calls. And sort of toward this end, in this benchmark, we're being more comprehensive about the variety of mutations that we're considering. So like I said, in addition to single nucleotide variants, we want to extend this to indels, structural variants, and copy number variants to get the full spectrum of variation and evaluate how different mutation calling algorithms are performing across these different types of somatic variants. So as I'll talk about in subsequent slides, benchmark four, really, it's a controlled experiment. So we have these cell lines. We can take advantage of their clonality to do things like simulate normal contamination, which so Gaddy's talk and Chris Miller's talk or Great Lead-Ins for this. And we can simulate subclonal expansions by using spike-in mutations. Spike-in mutations also give us the opportunity to evaluate false negative rates, so they give us sort of a ground truth, and that hasn't been possible in previous benchmarking efforts. And since the cell line genome data is publicly distributable, we can encourage wide participation both within TCGA and outside of TCGA. So for instance, we're reaching out to ICGC and they're participating in this benchmark. And others outside of the cancer genome consortiums who have an interest in mutation calling in this sort of tumor normal context are encouraged to participate. So further, let's see on this theme of why are we doing another benchmark? So there's still a lot of discordance in the mutation calls that we get. So this is sort of a representative example from a previous benchmark exercise. And so what is shown here on this Venn diagram, there's calls on the same pair of tumor and normal BAM file made by the Broad Institute, by WashU, and by UCSC. And you can see sort of the concordance and discordance here in this Venn diagram. So the majority of mutations are concordant between at least two of the centers, but there's still a lot of discordance happening. And this is important to take into consideration since sort of mutation calling is fundamental to cancer genomics. Cancer genomic depends on the sort of fidelity of mutation calling algorithms. So the samples that we're using to derive all of the BAM files that we're distributing for Benchmark IV are based on these two pairs of cell lines, so HCC1143 and HCC1954. So these are both 1143 and 1954 are both derived from breast tumors and they each have a paired normal sample which is derived from blood from the same, it's a cell line derived from blood from the same patient. All of these lines are available through ATCC and they've been sequenced to between the sequences that we have for this benchmarker at between 50X and 71X sequenced at the Broad Institute. And as I'll talk about and as I've mentioned, all this data is publicly distributed through CG Hub. So this is sort of what we want participants to do. So there's three parts to this mutation calling exercise. So the first part is pretty straightforward, we just want participants to compare the tumor cell line full genome BAM to the corresponding normal full genome BAM for both pairs of cell lines. This will sort of establish a baseline under sort of ideal conditions, so they've got sort of higher coverage genomes here in their cell lines so they're presumably clonal. And so from there we can use sort of this clonal property of the cell lines to do interesting things. And so these are, we can simulate normal contamination, so sort of in this row A here what I'm showing is samples of each one of these pie charts represents a BAM file that we've generated for the benchmarking exercise. And so what I'm showing here is we've mixed the normal and tumor BAMs to yield a 30X coverage BAM file in various proportions. So over here it simulates 5% normal contamination and over here we're simulating 95% normal contamination. And as has been alluded to in previous talks, normal contamination is an important factor in mutation calling fidelity. And so in addition to simulating normal contamination, we can simulate subclone expansion. And the way we do this is by taking the original tumor BAM file, spiking in single nucleotide variants and structural variants into a single allele. And we can spike into a single allele by using results from Scott Carter and Gettigetz's group's absolute algorithm. So we can selectively spike into one allele. And then we can mix that. So by spiking in we get a genetically distinct tumor BAM.  And so we've scaled that from 1% subclone, which will be difficult if not impossible to detect mutations and up to 40%, which should be feasible. And so this sort of normal contamination model scheme and subclone expansion scheme were generated for both pairs of cell lines. And so in total, we're doing six comparisons here. So this BAM versus the normal, this BAM versus the normal, et cetera. So in total, we end up with 28 BAM files, which are distributed publicly via CG Hub. So if you navigate to this URL here, you can download a public key, and you can use that public key in GeneTorrent to grab the BAM files for the benchmarking exercise. And so if those of you who attended the CG Hub workshop yesterday evening should be familiar a bit with this process. And many thanks to Chris Wilkes and the CG Hub team for helping us get these BAMs up and dealing with our requests to replace them and so on. So in addition to providing data whereby we can evaluate the performance of mutation colors comparatively, benchmark four has also been stimulating the creation of new evaluation tools for VCF files.