And you've also got like fantastic aesthetics going on like there's there's stuff to be praised in every episode Charlie Walker's music is is really good as well. So Or is it? Maybe that'll be a separate hot take is creating sound station is horrible No, stop it Laura. Just play Jay's video and we all leave. Well, I Wish you know, but Jay's gonna come after us. You've already done too much We should just like take pictures of our chairs and set them as our profile pictures for any fat I Think people it would be a good meme for a minute and then people get very upset. I think We're not here for the chairs Wow You can't say that in my in mice on my stream one of the chair PFPs could be the chair of that Falcon summons and no, sorry batch rock summons into existence to kick against Falcon the shield. I Wonder if they'll bring him back. No, he's definitely dead Nah, he's he's gone. He he doesn't get a second chance. Oh Wow, I guess he got a second chance. He didn't get a third chance Well, no, because remember he almost died in the opening of episode one. So maybe that counts as his second Batch rock had his chances He had like four chances. Yeah, he wouldn't die Remember when cap was like, all right batch rock. Let's have a fair fight when I'm trying to Prevent you from Taking all of this technology and having these people hostage. I will indeed drop my helmet and my shield for you Very bizarre but me The film the confirmed bad film the winter soldier. Oh That was one of many which is it like genuinely that doesn't seem right for cap does it? No, it doesn't seem like he he's not the kind of person to put his sort of Reputation like before actually just saving lives. It's more interesting when the villain does it than the hero Yeah It's kind of juvenile It's like what you'd imagine like someone with an advantage would do like on a playground It's just like it doesn't seem right for that type of the situation It would be I guess it would be one thing if like they had already rescued all the hostages basically like that rocks basically lost I was gonna say it still feels weird for Steve Rogers to do that I just don't know that he does anything like that ever I think it's kind of like twisting the knife. I think that there's there's a context where it works for Steve Rogers It's just not in the winter soldier that we got because the winter soldier is very bad Well, it's a guilty pleasure of mine, but it's very bad I was gonna say that scene certainly not cuz like he needs to save people's lives He needs to prevent these people from having this back in this ship. So it's like got stuff to do buddy Um But maybe a particular circumstances, I don't know. Hello everyone chattel there. How you doing? Look, look at our PFB's role role kitted out to take on a starfish. We'll possibly a empress lady with a laser beam Dancing right oh Yeah, yeah, she does a bit of that and her brother as well. Don't forget him we got um We got a Blade Runner man with us, too You could you could easily have that avatar could easily just be something out of a Zack Snyder movie nobody would be able to tell Dark and rainy and super serious. Yes, we're we're back with our this is the DC crew essentially with Cap is unable to make it have low opinions thus replaced with Evan and meme Evan being Very into the DC universe big fan We brought him on to sort of try and counter our negativity and then meme is the guy who edits a lot of it So he's very aware of the um, let's just say incredible filmmaking techniques throughout the series See That was that was the pain is a yeah pain is a technique. It's an emotion, right? It's a feeling yeah, it's an idea a beautiful idea We're all here today because DC came out with another one. They did it again Another movie.  And so I figure much in the same way we do it with the E-Fat movies. Why don't we just jump right in and we'll do a like one to two sentences each of Overall feelings on this this movie the suicide squad then We will break it down chronologically with a bit of jumping ahead and jumping back So hopefully people who haven't seen it can follow along and those who have gonna enjoy a bit of a banter about what was working And what wasn't or if all of it was working or if all of it wasn't and Then then we'll probably do super chats. So If if that if that works for all you guys, we could go left to right Or should we should we go Right to left or should go middle to the left to the right to the right to the left to the right I don't know. We always go left to right. I just don't know. I don't know if you guys is that a right You know what I just don't feel that strongly about what order we go. I so I will need you to y'all Let's go from left to right. Yeah. All right, Evan off you go I Think this is in a very good direction for the DC you I don't like it's It's a it's a it's they clearly let James Gunn do what he wanted to do And he has a lot of freedom in terms of like how he wrote the script how he directed the movies the characters are Pretty solid for the most part But the plot is basically non-functional as far as I'm concerned and it It's not good, but it is better than what the DC you usually pumps out and certainly anything at the MCU pumps out So I would call it a step in the right direction basically You're by by saying anything at the MCU pumps out You're referring to anything with the MCU pumps out nowadays, right? Yeah recently like post-end game as far as I'm concerned Like the stuff that's Yeah, yeah Including let's include Black Panther Captain Marvel, you know. Oh, yeah include Captain Marvel there What about including the incredible Hulk? I'm pretty sure the incredible Hulk probably stands up. Okay, well, that's what's coming out. Nobody here remembers that movie. Come on The fight at the end Abomination is he gonna be in that a legend of the ten rings movie It'll be so weird I they didn't explain even what happened to him at the end of the movie He went to the rough other night Yeah, I think the trifactor in the MCU of movies Nobody can remember the plot my novice the incredible Hulk Thor 2 and Ant-Man the Wasp Those are the three movies where everyone's like fuck it was about Yeah, see some people don't believe they're real that's where we're at sludge It's like I think Ant-Man and Thor 1 are genuinely like I remember them way better than they sequels I Definitely remember Ant-Man one more than the Ant-Man wasp Lady Lady and wasp Right carnival Fringy now you I Really like this movie all of its plot issues aside, I think it's got great characters and I will be totally happy if we if this is like if we get more of this going forward Because like Yeah, all issues with the plot which there are plenty. It has great characters and that's worth a lot So yeah, I really like it. It's like a would recommend definitely All right I'm in the same boat as if this were the worst it gets I would be a very happy movie watcher I think we're in a really good position with this movie for getting characters right The plot is it seems like we're all gonna be repeating this a little bit, but you know the proof will come Boy that plot like getty everywhere. It's all over place. We'll go over it But my goodness did I have lots to say on how well? I think these characters are written as well as how strong the dialogue is in lots of places a lot of that a lot of the humor World is like But we got a bit of theme going to so this is this is a bit of a jumbled mess And we might finally have an entry on e-fap, but we're not saying it's in the realm of terrible or Incredible it's in a different realm a middle realm I'm off to figure out where it sits on there dark realm It's not like a dark or light realm. It's just it's like a grayish. It's like sort of The sun's going down, but you can still see everything on this world.  Oh, no Everyone closes the distance towards you Yeah, yeah, yeah good characters terrible plot plot Action scenes are questionable, but sometimes funny Sometimes it's deliberately terrible almost. I'm not sure. It's up there. It's just really bad Yeah, really enjoyed this very funny movie I laughed a lot No, right rags go all right so the suicide squad is Not only the best DCEU movie that has yet been made it is the best DCEU movie by a Considerable margin with none of the others. I would say even coming close To the quality that we have here the plot is pretty bad. It's quite bad. In fact I wouldn't I Would not unfixably bad We don't have the kind of just fundamental broken world-building issues that we have and a lot of other stuff The plot is really bad though needs a lot of work However Although the plot is pretty terrible the characters are great There's a lot of really good character writing here a lot of good Interactions a lot of work and a lot of care was putting was put into making us care about this cast of characters it was funny I had a lot of concern and sympathy for the people inside you know in the movie in this universe and With a few exceptions. I think the whole cast was done really really well If this is the if this is kind of the direction the DCEU is headed then I am on board I think this is a great step in the right direction All right, South Pole Um mixed bag a lot of terrible stuff, but a lot of great stuff as well It's one of those movies that I'm like giving basically like a four or five out of ten But it doesn't mean it's like just fine. It's just it's a mixed bag if there's stuff in it that makes me cringe and There's a lot of stuff in it that I also really really like and I rewatched it last night and Had an overall good time watching it didn't honestly give it as much of a critical eye as I gave it the first time And I just enjoyed enjoyed a lot. I can see myself rewatching this one a good number of times in the foreseeable future And as everyone else has said plot is just garbage, but the characters really carry this one so Best DCEU movie by a long shot Most enjoyable one that we've watched thus far by a very wide margin and That's all I really have to say No, all right, and finally meme repository. What did you think? And here I am the sour puss the hater the person who doesn't like anything.  They're also just so much more heroic and noble these brutal psychotic super villains actual super It was this was a better Justice League film than Zack Snyder's ever made. This is a better DC film than just Zack Snyder's ever made This is just a better superhero film than Zack Snyder's that ever made and I was getting legitimately emotional in the theater watching this and it was One of those things where I knew that I would need to at least give it one more watch through because I knew that my Objectivity was being compromised by the sheer amount of joy that it was giving me though I did spot a fair few issues on that first watch through and the second watch through and highlighted a couple of things Here and there But yeah, this has been a blast to watch It's also just a really Slick and stylistic movie Let the it like the style for me the way I would describe it is it could have been really obnoxious but for me it kind of hits that sweet spot where It kind of hits kind of a verisimilitude ish kind of place where it's kind of incorporated naturally enough that It was never it never brought me out of the film Maybe a couple of cinematography choices here and there but overall the style was very appealing to me And yeah, I just had a I just had a blast watching this film I think this stuff worth criticizing but my goodness it felt good watching something DC that I really enjoyed again Can I just add that these characters who are supposed to be supervillains that are basically being forced into this mission Are actually better heroes than most of the MCU's heroes at this point true Class DC and Marvel yeah for their heroes Yeah, sort of not just their actions, but they're also part of their cause like a lot of them very corrupted and you'll find that because Portions of the Suicide Squad are where they are for reasons that aren't Explicitly like oh, they're just evil people doing evil things and this is usually a little bit more complicated And so they went through in positions where they can save a civilian's life. They will likely make a choice and Bloodshot did nothing wrong by shooting DC EU Superman with a kryptonite bullet They wrote them differently, but there's there's parts where you can tell that like they I feel like he was originally meant to wasn't he meant to be deadshot originally and He was originally going to be bad, but he's I don't think so. I think he's a better character From early on I think Will Smith said that he wasn't gonna be doing this one No, I think the what I understand originally the plan was that they were just gonna have a recast But then they changed they changed their mind and decided to create a brand new character. I Think they wanted to have Will Smith still around in case they want him to come back as deadshot Instead of other movies. I think that's one of the reasons why they changed it as well So well, so honey cuz during the the 2016 suicide squad coverage We noted like, you know death's sorry deadshot would probably be able to take on Superman by himself if you just give him some kryptonite bullets and then blood sport He just he did that off-screen.  For example Was Harley handle better in this film than any other? That's a that's one of the topics a lot of people discuss It was blood sport a copycat And how do we define that we'll go over that What does it mean for a story to have a completely broken plot but incredibly consistent characters and does this movie? Qualifier as that let's know someone else. We're gonna have to go through and then of course just like essentially character profiles Like I'm going through a lot of the main ones in this But like when do we choose to do that? Is it after we've got enough references from going through chronologically? Is it when they meet the end of their story? Whatever that might mean It'll be a little bit complex. You know how it goes. We'll do our best I figure if everyone's all right with it We'll just we'll just start as though we've got one person in this call Who's never seen the movie before and we'll their name is chat. I'm gonna have to Just talk maybe chat an acronym. It's already long name. Oh And Howard Cornelius Howard Anthony Ty Iberius furious Pretty cool name Yeah, don't let me say it again You forgot They're a chat. They're thinking what's what's going on? You know what's what's happening in this movie? So you remember the original in 2016 I call it the original is probably what we're gonna do from now on. How could we forget Muller? Yeah, we forget it wasn't even that long. I gave our coverage of it actually a horrible I was Well, I was referring to just how memorable it was in general. Yeah, I could have seen it 10 years ago And I wouldn't have been able to burn it from my memory They're forever. I have you to thank and so yeah And so you guys know that we weren't fond of it In fact, what did we pull as positive? It was very a few small tiny bits of pieces. I'm not a I can't remember I think that was that like like Diablo having some kind of through line. That was a positive, right?  Yeah, that was our praise for it Is that one of the characters actually was sort of a character kind of? Yeah, and I've already seen someone saying like really just because a character has an arc That just automatically makes it good. No, it's like it's funny. The praise I'll be giving to the characters and the suicide squad It's not specifically about whether or not they have arcs. It's that they're consistent That is gonna be my main way of praising them the way that they behave and what choices they make The more information we have raising a show Diablo's arc was kind of rushed especially the way he refers to suicide squad as his family Which was not earned at all by the text of the film But it was still more than anything that we got from the other characters. Oh, sorry slipknot was really good as well Yeah, a lot of people point that out Absolutely that guy can climb anything.  That's the way to explain it. No one's gonna question Is there a fat movies on suicide squad is it out? Am I in some strange fever dream not the suicide squad suicide squad the first one it is out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. All right I was gonna say this is gonna work because I could see it but like I can't confirm that we were in the same call when you were watching I know that rags was unsure and I wanted to gaslight them like we were doing during that that you fat movies because that was very fun Died here. I don't really have much of a Yeah, I mean, I hope it is that would be cool. I remember that was great But right now I just Surrendering despair Man much that thought disappeared very quickly I'm just So I think it was some so we're talking about like suicide squad What is there that's like actually meaningful to be pulled from that film? Like if we were all writing the sequel, what would you take from it? I? Would be discarded. I don't yeah that there's anything in particularly valuable I I really don't like that film like I don't enjoy that film at all What I would be if you were to look at like it. Yeah, what I was gonna say quickly is what I would be keeping is Not from the film itself rather. It's just the what they're adapting So like I like the idea maybe of villains who are given a chance to reduce their sentences by doing black ops jobs for the government It's like yeah, it's it's a cool. It's a it's a cool concept. Oh Yeah, that sounds cool Yeah, well, this is the thing about the suicide squad like is it a sequel to the it is right It's a sequel to the first one basically right I would I would say it's kind of like a soft reboot in the same way That a lot of things that where it's it's part of this universe like you really don't need to know about the first one And they're kind of ignoring it. I Feel like there's some things that they want like the whole flag and Harley stuff like the idea that I think or something like I feel like what they want Well, I would say that what they want this film to be is that you don't need to see this The first one and it was just true You don't need to see the first you don't need to see that one And I would recommend that you don't because you're not gonna get anything out of it No, I I feel like we're starting freck when you think about these characters because it's like Do you need to know much about Rick flag beforehand? It's like nah, you just know this Rick flag this much better Rick flag It's kind of like the cruise movies like you don't have to see the first one The first one's kind of meh, but the second one's really funny. Wait, which movie? Movies, no okay caveman comedies I Haven't seen jungle cruise because I'm not giving Disney money I'm not even giving them my time by pirating it Nobody's giving them the time for that one from what I hear like very not a huge amount people see in that though That's a tough one to market even if we weren't in low-marking times, you know, it's like the jungle cruise like okay Jungle cruise meant to be like parts the Caribbean. It's a it's a ride at like Disneyland At least with Pirates of the Caribbean. There's pirates. So there's gonna be some Concepts for sure like jungle cruise. It's like wait, what is this? Oh, it's like an action adventure. I cruise That's you know, when I think about adventures and crazy things.  I have no reason to ever see it So yeah, anyway drawing out of 2016 vision James Gunn took Captain boomerang he took Amanda Waller the concept of the Suicide Squad existing and Halea Oh, yeah and Ric flag Yeah, why the Suicide Squad worked with garbage squad failed. I'm sure Phil mental will nail it I'm sure you'll know exactly I'm sure you'll nail it So I mean to be fair, I think it's pretty obvious It's gonna be a character focus whoever's gonna compare these two we'll talk about the characters But I wonder if people will even notice that the plot is Not better in this one Even I don't know how to people criticize the plot of the first one They were mainly going for the characters I think because I think a lot of people just they'll remember characters far more than they will plot lines It seems like many not of much value when we're talking about superhero stuff It seems like we don't Cuz I mean, you know like if people talk about endgame There's never gonna be somebody saying I like how well constructed the time heist was that was like really smart and cool Like it was probably one guy. It's like It would be that one guy, but like all the people would be talking about it was cool that we got the scene where Tony Made us that or it was really tell I've been thinking about endgame. It was really cool that you know thought we've got to meet his mom It's like you're thinking about the character moments It seems like it's the main focus and superhero content, which it gets makes sense, right? It's the namesake of a lot of these movies So yeah, he he grabbed those pieces and this film doesn't waste any time it basically introduces us with Savant they knew super villain or villain in general, I guess the Michael Rooker So good ol yondu but with normal human skin instead of blue skin crazy There's some scars got really long like I guess you call it white or like platinum hair. I don't know And he's got a little outfit. I'm guessing some people know of him from the comics Savant I don't know. I don't know what he does like I'm guessing. He's just a good shot That seems to be the idea He seems like kind of bullseye the way he's able to ricochet Objects, yeah, well and shit balls. I Hey, nice. I've heard he's also like an expert planner or something like that I think he was like supposed to be one of the leaders of the team on the beach, right like along with flag Say genius level intellect exhibits forgetfulness due to chemical imbalance master martial artists computer operation and multilingualism Okay Wait multi-lingualism considered a superpower Yes I guess if you like speaks every language on the planet, that's pretty impressive Oh, why wouldn't they call it a different thing rather than multi at that point? It's like that's understating just how much And that's still kind of like a just a skill. It's not really a superpower you could learn all that Well, so it's being a master martial artist It's like what does it mean to qualify as a superhero is just being like John Cena, for example, is he a superhero? I don't know. I'm referring to peacemaker. I just mean him like is he is like well, he's just strong, right? I mean, this is Wikipedia saying ability is not superpowers true So yeah, he's given a really quick intro and I feel like this is the self-aware sort of meta thing where it's like Hey, if you didn't see the first movie, this is how it works It's like in bullet point form essentially But actually really cool instead of literal bullet points on the screen. Yeah All or even literally says that she's like, you know the drill X Y Z this and they just they just run through it really quickly Yeah, and there's this bit and it was only on the third time watching this that I had a thought They have the first time you see Rick flag. He's in slow-mo reaching his hand out I was like, could it be said that this is like James got be like give him a chance. Okay, give the previous films references I know you didn't like it. Just give him a chance. We're gonna we're gonna try this again. All right You're like, okay, because I'll be honest with you guys Knowing Rick flag is in this. I was just like, yeah, cool. Boring. I'll be man is back. That's fine. I guess Okay, I don't know what I'm gonna do with that. That's fine. Um, just I liked I like Joel Kinnerman as an actor I've I've seen him in some Separate like the movies aren't great, but his performance is good. So Well, it's gonna say the irony there is that I'm not a fan of Jai Courtney But I like him in this and I am a fan of Joel Kinnerman. I didn't like him into a side school You know how it goes just like. Oh, yeah, but like with James Gunn It's like well, we have you know a more capable writer. That's gonna hopefully give Kinnerman more more You know good material to work with so yeah So Savannah being our POV character is introduced to the current suicide squad So obviously time has passed and they've refined the whole idea and we've still got some leftover that we remember like mr It's good old boomerang boom captain captain boomerang as mr. Boom and As well as and well, I was gonna say as well as Harley Quinn And she actually refers to him as boomer and they have like a back and forth And that's like the clearest evidence that the first home's not been wrecked on it exists. It's fine. I'm gonna. Yeah, don't worry Those who loved it Throw a line to account for how Harley is Incarcerated again when she wasn't at the end of birds of prey. Yeah, she said she yeah Didn't she say something like I totaled a car in a bank or something like a It's not a bad line She's like and she's in and she even I think there's like a sort of hello to Rick as well to imply that those two are Relatively good terms. They're not like I need to they're annoying or anything Which is testament to his patience. Yeah And then we have new characters Now all of these classic we're gonna we're gonna do this as assuming the person in this call is not seeing this movie Okay, so we're just gonna leave this is this is pretty Like there's lots of information to take in at once So don't blame you if you're difficult to follow us, but I think the film does a really good job Again, you're right in real quick. Um, apparently the second SNL comedic actor. Is it Peter Davidson or something? It's been yeah, he plays black guard. He's got a bunch of pistols and looks like he'd be Considered just similar to savant and others where they're just weapons experts. It's like a tier of superhero has his guns like What's his face? Oh In the Mandalorian.  I forgot his name. Damn. Oh, um, Bill Burr's character. Yeah, what's his name? Bill Burr Baggins someone in chat will know Someone will remember because they like that show may feel Mayfield Then you got like orange woman with Weapons mongol mongol you got Javelin yeah javelin man with a javelin you got Nathan Fillion playing TDK Our night, I suppose Batman's in this. Well, yeah, maybe maybe I guess we'll explain what I am at the Dunk Knight Those are just I mean I was gonna say if anyone's in chat without knowing stuff The rest of the chat will probably tell them anyway, but we'll get to it in case he's just listening He's called TDK and then we've got That's that's everyone except There's one more character one more member of the Suicide Squad he's called weasel Introduced to him by him screaming at the top of his life Yeah, this should be appreciated actually I'll see if I can play it on the stream Yeah, weasel is my spirit animal I have affectionately nicknamed him Murder scrat I am So for those who haven't seen this the savant looks at all the people the camera pans around and Go to sack actually Copyright makes it so difficult Music that's that's how you first meet him Shot on gun play some right. He has you. Yeah. Yeah, James Gunn also plays another character Who I got a little bit giddy when I saw them for like three seconds So, yeah, these guys are gearing up and we get you good old-fashioned when you have a Group of people they were just in an enclosed space and they're back and forth thing so we get to understand What's going on with this lot? And then you know some fun this is a fun bit to dialogue like asking TDK what it stands for instead of stands for me It's my name That he's like your name is letters.  It's just a good old-fashioned letters.  It's like I think it's a Afghan get hound Afghan hound And then you know that's it to cut as well with the suicide squad handlers all the people in like the tech group Is stuff they're baton on who's gonna live and who's gonna die which feels like very much be a thing And can I quickly say? With just a few quick like dialogue exchanges We were already liking all these characters way more than detailed lengthy backstories on most of the characters besides Slipknot and Katana Yeah, and the original suicides well, I mean I feel like I don't know how much Backstory you need for the man who's I feel like that's that's the important thing writers like back story doesn't really tell me anything like I need to see what they're doing Right now. Yeah, who are they right now see Slipknot? He had an uncle who died and told him that you know with with great climbing comes great responsibility Rope responsibility Yes died in a rock climbing accident, and he's like I will climb anything I will be better than my dad Um Now relating to the whole the dog conversation Harley suggesting of your werewolf, and we have what is my favorite back and forth in this whole Sequence where he's panicking about being a werewolf and Rick flag is like it's not a werewolf. He's a weasel He's harmless.  It's The joke be we have no idea what weasel cares about what he's doing. He's just here It's just terrifying And just making these weird sounds. Yeah, don't pull up in its feet Chittering noises And so yeah, this is the thing when we were watching it I was just like man.  I should probably play for the stream. Yeah Give it a sack to get there.  Just saw weasel Oh Apparently Sean Gunn was asked if he knew that weasel was going to look that ugly. He said no that was a surprise on James's part Yeah, I was gonna say all right, let me just play this for the stream Oh So for those who are confused he just drops in slaps into the water screaming and then resurfaces just flailing Everyone does he's like really graceful like entrances like foot first into the water and weasel just And then it cuts to Rick flag and he's like did anybody check if weasel could swim Like face palm expression on her face without actually Talk about comedic timing having them all stare at the screen while he's flailing around Though I made the people in the tech room and Waller seem like idiots. It's just like they didn't even look into that It's like oh great job waller. There goes one of your teammates. Okay, so I'm gonna push back on that Why please do if you why would you like it is so unexpected that the weasel is just gonna hit Mission you drop in on the water and it's like no one bothered to check What's what's the purpose of this particular team I'm not gonna spoil it we can because we can get there when well That's it's it's not what I think you're thinking of because that's I think there's another plot point that adds to that, right? That's something we've got to actually talk about we should I don't know if we should skip ahead Oh, so we can we could put a pin in the weasel thing for sack to explain Yeah, how about everything else turns out if you want to hang on to it and just bring it back, but um Yeah, they just pop up again later Perhaps in well in fact the next part of this is just eight just hard cuts to weasel's body slowly falling through the ocean So far grabs him and it's it's so because you just hear the constant splashing and crying and stuff, and then it's just dead Drags him all the way to the beach and just announces that weasel's dead. It's like All right, then let's just keep going. I guess weasel's dead Ironically all of us were just really sad.  Yeah, that was pretty cool trying to do something about it Yeah, and if it feels good because he's up he'll be guys. It's just like yeah I feel like I would try and help him out. It's good that he is too Should have blown the weasel And so yeah, we're at the beach everyone's setting up And then black guards jumps over the Sort of edge and starts announcing. Hey, we're here. It's fine. Don't worry about it. We're here.  Did he call from prisoners something? Did he have like the phone number of the person who is there and oh what was go? I don't know how did that work?  Have you seen prison break by any chance? No, so they get depending on your position in society You can get all kinds of Communications out to all kinds of people especially you could have someone who works for you set it up all for you on the outside And then come in and speak to you in code or whatever. There's plenty of ways to do this These are all criminals long to him. I don't have any problem with that Do you don't you don't what about how would he get the information about the exact team? Doesn't he say that like he knows like he brought everyone and he knew the people that were there like Um, I don't know all he says is I brought everyone's here. I think what he means is as far as he's aware The full team that's arriving is on the beach right now Yeah, which is true. I guess I don't know. I'm not like not I guess it is like that's just the case the whole the whole team as he knows It is there and he sold them out. Also, is it is it true that um Weasels tend to love water like IRL weasels.  Yeah, it can swim and then it's like I don't I don't think it's a dumb assumption. I think it's something that I could I can easily see people assuming. Yeah, everybody can swim, right? I would have like I assume everyone here would I assume the weasel could swim. I assumed it could that's why it was hilarious when it couldn't It's like, oh, yeah, all mammals have like an animal thing to swim and it seems The aspect here as well is that a lot of people just sort of Move along with weasel like nobody has actually spoken to him They just speak at yeah, and he's sort of he moves along with it So it's you know in a lot of ways there's some what is it? What is it to check that the weasel can swim do you put it in water to like Just I'm not saying there's no ways you could check. I just don't think that they thought that he couldn't swim I just figured um It reminds me of because uh, Fringy's seen it And so some people in chat may have but like there's this character in in clocks as far, which yes I'm referencing again. Don't worry once it goes out of my memory. I will stop But there's this farmer dude who fixes walls And the and clocks is like, you know, hey, he's he always fixes the walls here He has done for like 50 years, so of course, I'm keeping him on to fix the walls And he's like, yeah, you're right.  It's a really good joke I think it's at the cost of waller's team. There's a lot of scenes that are like that later on where they They're just insanely dumb.  Yeah um Well, okay, um, so what happens now Is something we need to get clear first because it'll make more sense to do this ahead of time Before going forward with describing the events as they happen.  For example, that was a Lots of bad. We're still up, which is good. So I'm gonna summarize these ones instead. So The short version is Harley fires the RPG. Then she runs forward Avoiding about a billion bullets. What armor at least Then rick flag follows her to sit behind a rock with her. He avoids about a billion bullets At least he's firing back while he's doing it. That's that's small sliver of um Then you have I suppose the start of this is they say deploy the detachable kid And it's like okay, and this is strictly he removes his arms and then they float and he can have them attack people um Another thing with human like this Is that the shock of it? Even it hits the characters.  And then he says I didn't pick the team I'm so so slow as well when they fly Yeah, and then just awkwardly sort of like just just hitting people like yeah, they just slapped it really really weakly When I heard that this guy was gonna be in the movie I thought maybe he was gonna like pop one of his arms off and then use it as a weapon Like by flailing it around using his other arm that was still like attached to his body It's not what happened Oh, man, they should have gone with his comic name, which is arm fall off boy Yeah, I mean it was always a decision to not have it be that a fob Yeah, well, I spoke to me about that. I feel like a fob would have been the stronger acronym too. It almost sounds I'm fall off boy. Yeah Um Many people may have seen this his arms just float forward and then start hitting people it does barely anything And so There's a vibe right now of like our team is about to come through Maybe because they're activating this sort of power they're doing stuff, but then um Things don't Work out that way because mong mongal. Did you say her name was I can't remember Yeah, mongal, uh, brother of mongol and son of mongol the first she um mongoloid She she starts the chain reaction of That's an event happening. She jumps onto a helicopter. It I guess she weighs a ton Because it completely that was all I could assume because like she weighs it down to the point that it just spins out of control It was like that that wouldn't happen. It was just a regular person. Yeah Um, so it's crashes and it shreds a whole bunch of like pine trees and all the wood splatters into um Good ol captain boomerang and uh And then the helicopter Just flies into him as well. So he just torn to like individual pieces of blood He's completely gone And he got he got to throw a boomerang and it was pretty cool. But yeah, he killed twos of people And um guys at top ahead a little a little sad for me because I really liked him And I thought that the whole thing about him in the first one was that he needs someone To help him out script wise and we'll be fine And it's like james gun. There you go. He could do it. Oh, he's dead Well A bit of a bummer not gonna lie Maybe more of a bit of a bummer. It's just a flat out bummer. Yeah So this is kind of what disappointed me about this scene is that I feel like a lot of this is for shock value It's like you introduce the cast like yeah Just gone.  It's like, oh, oh so much for that Most um good old-fashioned subversion to be fair. I would argue partially the reverse It's telling us. Yeah, these people aren't safe. No matter who you love. It ain't safe We're in we're not in a standard marvel movie where it's very clear It's gonna last till the end unless they've got harley's plot armor of parley's the only one Excuse from that rule. Um, I was concerned for Uh, a lot of the characters throughout the movie is we'll get to that in certain scenes. Yes, I am Um, it's quite an interesting phenomenon considering the plot armor in this movie So, yeah, mongol's dead tdk gets shot to pieces as well his arms, which is a bit of a comedic pay-off I feel like you should have expected that, you know Yeah, yeah, he's a he's a bizarre addition to the team for this particular mission Um, yeah in a different movie. He there could have been a really cool use for him in terms of espionage and stuff But uh, he's done some weird clever stuff with it, but uh Not here not not here. Uh, and then savante just loses it. He sees everybody get killed and he screams and runs away Um, this is a guy that like the film has been focusing on quite a bit in the opening like 5 10 minutes Yeah, um, this would be the the end of the sub vision being that they blow off the protagonist's head Or at least what we thought was the protagonist Uh, because he goes off mission and walla boops him And his brain splatters onto the water with the words Warner Brothers presents, I believe Um, which is the a nice touch they have throughout the movie for a little title cards for like chapters and stuff Yeah, I got some of these. They work pretty well Diogenics are way better than the others And then summer. Yeah, we can get to what we were looking to talk about so There's a reveal of well team one is dead It's like, huh? And it's like tins out. There was a team two on the other. Well the different side of the island Um Like the west side or whatever. I couldn't see it. Uh, and they're coming in and these You get the impression immediately like oh these are our characters that are the lot are all not our characters at all um And so yeah, uh That raises a bit of a question which is Was this intentional from walla? I do not think so.  So That's true Then it'd be weird for her to feel that way when she's like, well, all these are gonna die anyway So it doesn't really matter Um, isn't that why she says to push forward the flag as well She says like the mission is too important. Like you it's a tough crew. You can make it or something like that Like there's there's a couple of ways to explain this because this is the thing You have your two options one. She wanted this to happen two. She did not want this to happen Um, but she will make the best of it as she can which I think makes a lot more sense because I'll say this about walla Like no matter what is happening She will do her best to make what is probably going to be the best choice from her pov without wasting time with like Emotional reactions. I would argue Yeah, yeah, yeah, and so if she finds out we've been betrayed everyone's shooting at us She's like fight your way out you can do it Like because that's all you can tell them Basically because they're they're all just gonna get killed anyway And then I would say telling team a or team two rather Which is how they referred to right?  That's a distraction. We've launched to help you guys out. Don't worry about it I think she yeah I think she totally lied to the second team and told them it was a distraction because it just makes tactical Sense to do that to get the second team to keep doing and we do get a more overt admission of that when they're like Why didn't you tell us about rick flag and she's like you didn't need to know it at the time now you do? Yeah, yeah, is there a particular reason why they split the teams up? I was like it that's kind of why it's a little bit confusing is you're like wait a minute Why would you? Right like it was probably You could argue that for seeing an event such as this would be a reason to do it And wall has done this potentially many times at this point Is the thing about it's just the first team is bigger the one that gets killed off Like there's like it's like twice as much as team b, right Uh, yeah about twice as much. I think eight. I think in that one versus like five Yeah So, um, because I've seen a lot of people being very critical of it makes no sense For wall to have done all of this and put rick flag on the division team when she wants him alive And it's like I don't think that's another reason intentionally the division team I guess that the issue was just that black guard betrayed them and that's that was an issue variable No, I'm not saying that that's an issue. I'm saying that. Oh, right. Yeah But that was the hitch in the plan.  Like he was on the beach getting covered in in bullets and explosions and now he's in the jungle Which if you remember the just like what they show of us what they show to us, sorry of, um The the approaching enemies. I'll try and get a screenshot in a sec Uh, they're they've filled the jungle They're all over it. Like where the hell did he do that? It was completely surrounded hour of editing This is like, yeah This is the problem is that you want harley and rick flag to like be separated so that they can like have their own Adventures, but at the same time they throw them into the meat grinder So they need plot armor to get out. So it's like well, it's fine. They only do it the one time, right? Oh Yeah, just the one time. Yeah, so it's just a simple mistake This this screen right here. I'll get you guys in case you're not Oh, you already got it.  Sorry to burn up honest Do you guys think it's a little weird for waller to ask them to push forward when you're looking at that? I know that flag was like contesting it and she said like the mission's too important, but seriously like Oh, so I don't know what she expected My theory with that would be that she wants them to make as much noise and damage as possible.  It might actually be like, all right. Let's do it.  You're gonna die anyways Yeah, this is like why not and of course the the more they kill the more distraction they cause the better for team two I would assume I guess flag is the only trouble there because like that Yeah, it would the whole idea is to kill and if he's killed and that like my questions about that when they're trying to cover something Up, it's it's a little questionable I assume that they can they can cover up his death When this is a black ops mission, they can just fake it or whatever. I could say he was on a secret mission He's dead There's there's plenty they could probably do without to escape it I mean they'd have to get away with this somehow with the villains They're killing you can't just grab people out of prison and kill them Like you you gotta have something that you can cover this up with and I assume they've got all that sort of So yeah, that takes us to team two I was gonna say it unless there's anything else about that beach scene because I might miss someone Um, I want to highlight just something very small but something I thought was neat I noticed on my second watch through which is um Very first suicide squad movie you have this retarded touchscreen phone with one press of a button Someone's head explodes, right?  So I thought that was a much better Design for that mechanism rather than oh my finger slipped. Oops. I I've just killed Also, no one Also, no one on premise has tested the ability to I'm very curious what You don't you don't think that that's you don't think that that's a button that you'd want to be able to quick Press quickly. No in the event of No accidentally blow someone's head off. Yeah, this is clearly better.  What are you doing?  She's got um like the view and the and uh Like live camera feeds and then it's all in the room where she knows That nobody would try and stop her So she'll be fine Unless she underestimates them for any reason But um, yeah to me that makes a hell of a lot more sense than having an app on your phone Where you can accidentally fucking press buttons on it and kill everybody I mean, I'm not saying you shouldn't have a safety I think I just think killer app like being faster might be more efficient Like because the whole idea is you want to kill them in the case that they desert or they try to like take over or Maybe take a hostage like I think having that in quick access in an emergency would be nicer than Going through the whole process. I mean neither none of those scenarios would yeah The the amount of potential advantage that you get from a touchscreen is so tiny and minuscule and arguably Negligible Well, just run the run the scenario of an actual little activation is just it because in in the first one She like has her hand on the thing and like you wonder why it's not even going off Like it seems like it would happen all the time by accident Especially if it's a touchpad that you were holding in your hand like like a phone and it has to be on So if anyone were to touch that then boom head goes away I mean this is clearly a deliberate move as someone's being monitored constantly if if as you can see from my avatar I'm aiming to shoot fringy right and I've got the thing in my head and rags is like with the touchpad I guess he could blow me up instantly or he could be like i'm going to blow you up if you don't lower your weapon Like or he could just you know do do the same thing Really with the other case he won't be able to necessarily stop me from killing fringy But I don't know that that's something he could stop me from doing with the touchpad either Because i'm going to do it so quick, you know Yeah, I mean it's it's not too much time. It's just something that I think is like I mean you have to open the briefcase like flip the switch like there's a lot of safeties and it's like I Considering all these people are supposed to be disposable. I think it's almost unnecessary safety Although the missions are important. So I don't know how like they're just they they can be disposable But in the sense of you want to keep them alive if you can They get lots and lots of warnings For things Like these are assets to you that you can use You definitely don't want to risk accidentally getting rid of one of I feel like the easy thing is like how many times have you had your phone in your pocket and then like you pick it up And it turns out there's been pressing buttons Imagine if you had that in your pocket and then like dead shots heads blew up because like your phone turned on in your pocket Like Yeah, exactly. Yeah Accidentally touching the screen Yeah There's also like one other thing I want to highlight and that is they were taking bets on who was going to survive the mission I thought that was like a neat little detail indicating that yes This suicide squad's been going on for a while and this is kind of just the tradition in the office that wall is kind of just like Oh, whatever I think isn't isn't one of the lines when she catches them. It's like this is a normal thing to do Something like that. Like so it's just got an offline like that Yeah Also gary's in chat. How you doing? And I hope you're enjoying vegas They're all they're all doing the the hangout over there We're still all in our respective parts of the universe and we've managed to get through um good, you know 12 minutes of this movie You've been doing great. Yeah, that's actually you know, it's pretty good Well, considering that we had to get everyone's perspectives on the movie first I say we're making great time. That's actually so yeah, it does feel like we're being expedient Just not compared to a lot of how people would do it Well, it's worth noting. We haven't run into too many issues thus far as we progress Well, so something I actually forgot to say and um If you look at the the the image I just gave you guys If you know ahead of time that they're coming to get you they're coming to this beach or whatever Shouldn't you have units prepared in the water? Um, I would say if you know, they're coming here I would wait for them on land especially assuming that they have to get here with boats or a helicopter or something So you don't want to have one of your boats out there They have they have helicopters. They have attack helicopters. So I guess when I said I guess it was further in land When I say units, I mean like literally anything you can think of in terms of like so we could have scuba units Or we could have just standard helicopters approaching with spotlights so you can make sure no one's escaping and stuff Um, just seems to me the if savant hadn't had his head exploded He might have been able to swim down and then around the island and he would have escaped Yeah, maybe um, I guess I'm wondering how competent this military really is if there's some well a bunch of dudes on an island Um Yeah, that's that's about it for the scene for me. Um, again, it's If no one else got anything we can move on to the real beginning of the film Yeah, uh, do we need to talk about the javelin? That's a little bit later. No, that's okay So Yeah, we we do a little like intro credit scene and it basically just scans through all of the people being dead and um I think it's the the song is Everybody's gonna die or something like that.  Sorry Hey, I meant so on Yes And so then we enter into seeing straight on to to bloodsport get all Idris Elba Um, who is I guess you guys would call he's our protagonist, right? You probably say I would yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Um, yeah, and he's just cleaning everything in the in the prison Bellevue. It's is the prison, right? Bellevue. Bellevue. Yeah, he even pulls out savance here from Wonderful. Oh, I didn't make that connection I assume it's savance. It could be someone else's here. I assume so. Yeah Um, and yeah, and they're all forced to wear crocs too some with socks monsters So Uh, it's it's becomes clear quickly. So this is actually something weird that I already noticed this on my third time in terms of thinking about it The way that they introduce bloodsport to us in terms of a character profile Is Amanda's sort of what seems to be here like main analyst guy.  Like he's probably one of the most famous villains of all time at this point You and the thing that the movies do these days where people that should know what was going on us are asking really dumb questions I feel like those this guy What is what I feel like those guys in the control room are kind of meant to be audience surrogates in a lot of ways Because a lot of people were like guessing which characters were going to be the ones to die inside of this movie as well I feel like that's kind of what the bedding is for like I feel like they they want those guys to ask the audience this question I feel there's a bad way to do that you have a new guy in the room And the rest of them are like excited to tell him about blood sports like oh, you don't okay So blood sports whole thing.  He's like no, he didn't kill him. He's in the ICU He's like how do you do that? It's like kryptonite bullet man surprise batman and think of it It's kind of funny um because in the original Slipknot arrives and they're like, yeah, that's slipknot the man that can climb anything and then here is we're like Blood sport, who's that? Wait, why he he shot Superman like as if they don't already know this But they already knew about slipknot the man who can you fit us If there's two people in the world to know the most about It's not going to be it's not going to be the guy who shot super bad. Sorry the one piece It would be it would be the guy who could climb anything. That's the one you want to know Everyone would talk about slipknot. I'm sure Um, yeah, they don't waste any time. They they have her explain He's weapons expert who was trained to kill from a super young age by his dad who is a mercenary and He's very he's bad news bad ombre. He doesn't want to talk to anybody about anything.   I'm not going to join the suicide squad Um, I don't think we ever get a specific reason for that. I'm assuming he just doesn't want to Go on a literal suicide missions. I uh, I don't know if anyone else could draw anything from what they saw Maybe he wants to serve his time potentially to get back with his daughter or something like that Like maybe he wants to go straight kind of maybe possibly It's like pretty antagonistic, so I'm not sure if it's oh, yeah, yeah motivated by that Yeah, the impression I got was just he just doesn't Doesn't want to join her suicide.  There's just not a huge amount on that but He definitely against it And then it's like now leave me alone. Just like ah, but you've got a visitor And um, this would be the first way that people are going to compare the two characters, of course, we've got Issues with a daughter a daughter is involved in some way shape or form now weird dead shots was Like he did he wants to what would he even say in 2016 about the daughter in totals anyone? He just wants to be in there. He's ordered to be proud of him. Basically.  He's like that's not true. That's a lie. She's lying Dude that delivery was fantastic And I mean the child actress is also doing just a the most amazing job delivering her lines About how she doesn't doesn't care about what her dad does for a living um See the scene basically plays out as She's stolen something and now she's in trouble and he doesn't really give a shit But um, he quickly finds out that his sentencing is going to depend on whether or not he's cooperative in relation to the suicide squad Um, and as much as he makes it clear He's aggressively gunning for her to have nothing to do with him the second that she's Threatened in such a way that he can stop it. He's gonna do it Um, I'm a big fan of bloodsport in this movie. It's probably gonna be gushing a little bit of how well he's done dialogue wise But it's really fun to watch him rip into the daughter because he's desperate.  He's willing to take someone's head off of the pen So you got the it's a very approachable sort of archetype. You understand it very well Yeah, I get it Yeah, but what I'll Oh, sorry Well interesting exchange between him and his daughter like uh, I find it funny how he basically roasts her for getting caught for stealing Like a smart watch And she says that she's just embarrassed that he's her father I'm thinking like Bitch, he's the man that put Superman in the ICU. You should be like super proud that he is your father Yeah, especially that superman Exactly the superman who did it dad typically this The world What what I do really like about his opening scenes is that it it pretty quickly establishes a pretty Complex character like not only does it subvert what you would expect from a quote on quote Dead shot clone like a pretty quickly establishes. This is this is quite a different kind of father-daughter relationship But it also what it establishes is that this is a man Who under the surface is pretty he's got a pretty strong paternal instinct.  Thanks to this daughter that he didn't want And it manifests in interesting ways later in the film. I'll just say that absolutely It's a they really quickly set a foundation for exactly who he is and what he cares about and We hard cut to him rushing toward Amanda Waller.   Um And she basically said like he thinks that's bad enough that she's going to prison Amanda Waller makes it clear.  That's that is a good threat And I mean basically how waller always is she's a stone cold bitch I was gonna say it's in line with what we saw of her in the 2016 version She's a little bit more insane in that one at least with this one. I I better understand what she's doing. For example, if someone said you really think she would kill that kid I'd be like, I'm not sure. Um, but I believe she would absolutely use it as leverage for as long as she could Because that's what she'd do. Um, yeah, she can murder federal agents very casually.  It's pretty clear of what she's characterized as every goal. She has is apparently from her view Going to better the country Every time and so she's willing to go to any lengths basically And a lot of people do compliment. Um, I'm not sure the actress's name, but her as waller. I just like I think i'm just viola davis. Yeah I think I think I like her.  It's also just like being baffled by her decisions um, yeah, that Well, yeah, it's just it you gotta It's like two different universes the first movie in the second It's weird to see the like to see flagging in to see waller again and to see them being so different In terms of their writing and what they're You know how they're going about what they're doing um So, yeah, um, she's basically like i'm making you team leader and Let's get going.  He's like the same because she immediately because she said oh, yeah Everyone on this team has chosen for the unique set of abilities and then immediately describes him exactly the same And and then blood sport says he does the same thing that I do and then Peacemaker's very first line dialogue is I do it better Better and I'm gonna say we'll do we are gonna do our best again to keep everything Chronologically, right? I know some people gonna want to jump ahead with certain references Just keep them in keeping your pocket. Put them in your notepad, right? But yeah, he says that um He will I love the line. He says um, I hit my target's dead center I hit the boar in the center. He's like how do you hit the boar in the center? It's like smaller bullets Good shit, um Yeah, and then they meet up with I think they they both moved to ratcatcher 2 Who all we know up to this point is that her dad was ratcatcher one He died and she has the power to control rats So that you know could come in handy in any way shape or form you never know Uh, by the way, we've we've alluded to some of these things But while you're watching it, especially in retrospect after you finish There's a lot of little setups here.  Yes Frank Stallone.       They are um multi-dimensional polka dots so they can tear through basically everything Get a very powerful Melt stuff. Yeah Yeah Um, and there's also a cameo from the calendar man in that same scene played by shawngun again There was um, I remember There was like a woman with like patchwork tattoos or whatever apparently she's something as well Yeah, I believe so I just I just don't think of her name off my head. I actually is that supposed to be crazy quilt Potentially Uh So that's the team. Um, I'm trying to remember if there's there's bits to point out.  I think at this point the rat immediately waves Hello to him and wants to to shake his hand.   She's she's she's good rat. She's uh Uh, we'll have to just just keep pins in things as we're going to make sure everyone's following But yeah, that's pretty much our team And I think uh, like her thing we we get straight away is that she's just really tired And um, turns out that's just a constant element of her character.  No, sorry That's in a moment. We get the the briefing Which yeah, uh, it's it's kind of a cool idea. Um compared to a lot of I don't know super villain in the superhero plots. It's that um there is An island off the coast of Like I guess it's out Maltese But it is cool to Maltese, but I can't remember where it where it is in the world. Is it like I think it's america island Um, yeah, it seems to be like a south america kind of set up.  It's like a big building and destroy all of the data in there like Range kind of mission, but hey and it's black ops. You have to wonder what this could all mean where it's all going but Very straightforward and they're gonna get in there by getting the thinker A guy as grieves.  It's like yeah, that's all right. Yeah better than stopping a witch lady Lasers just stopping random lasers appearing big blue lasers this guy um, I think the body language is pretty interesting in the in the briefing scene you've got uh Bloodsport couldn't give less of a fuck. He's just like waiting for the briefing to be over A peacemaker is paying complete attention and writing down all notes in relation to everything that's being said A king shark is completely vacant. He has no idea what's going on And uh rat catcher too is more interested in the overhead projector and why it's even in the room because it's some old tech right there And then uh polka dot man just looks nervous. He's just like uh, uh, uh, uddies And um as if anyone's seen the trailer, it's just like we're all gonna die probably that he's like, I hope so I hope so And then hard cut to them being the only survivors. Yeah And we've got uh, everyone's in their outfits and peacemakers is quite just Yeah, like Yeah I love it. It's so totally just makes you immediately think like you've got that directly from the comics, didn't you? You can tell it's from the comics because it looks dumb, but charming That's very charming um So yeah, uh, they're not 100 clear on exactly what they should do and where they should go and like immediately We're getting a back and forth between peacemaker and bloodsport about that like, um I think is so Uh, he says like go eat a bag of dicks, which by the way, this is a joke, but at least something that I think is really interesting Is a go eat a bag of dicks And he's like if there was dicks all over this island and I had to eat everybody every one of them for liberty I would do it in a hot field or something like that. Uh, Of course, that was really funny. But great.  That uh The classic line who knows why mad men do what they do What a great line boys. And so, uh, made it very clear He will you'll go to any extreme In that case liberty and then bloodsport turns on him and says, um, I think you just use liberty as an excuse to do Whatever the fuck you want to do And then uh, the response is essentially I can't remember the specific line, but he's like, yeah, but I don't kill men for money Um, and so you despite the fact that these two have been introduced as essentially the same archetype We're already deviating significantly in terms of who they are Very different values. They never say what east keeper did to get in prison Peace maker and I'm not sure. I don't think they ever did actually Probably killed someone. I mean he says That line's great It's just pretty like almost psychotic like this thing kind of establishes that he uses liberty almost as an excuse to perhaps Indulge some deeper urges within him Yeah, that's that's the criticism from bloodsport and once we get further along we could probably talk more about it Oh, yeah, and we of course the explosion from team one makes The bloodsport immediately grab two pieces of tech from his suit and turn them into a gun And so basically his if you want to call it gimmick Is his suit has loads of pieces of metal all around it and he can pull them off And they're like nanotech pieces or chunks that can morph into something else be it pistol rifle Grapple hook, you know, like he has a lot of little devices on its helmet Um, it's pretty cool. This is uh an awesome awesome really cool Like power set to have because it's like all of these modular elements There's like compromises every time that you need to use something but also like benefits You can get from them and if you lose a little bit then you have less options to work with and you need to improvise It's awesome. It's really cool. Yeah, and they do work with a stake to that later on Yes, incredibly Incredibly compact and easy to conceal Yeah, and it's just it's such an opportunity for creativity too I'm hoping if we ever see bloodsport again for whether or not he may have died in this movie So we could do a prequel or sequel or whatever Uh, I'd like to see more with that tech A little maybe some crazier ideas. I still like what they did in this movie a lot. So a little good Then yeah, I Oh, sorry. I'll go ahead for some that Oh, yeah, so something like on that like subject. Um, so you have you have like, um blood sport who has You know, as you said, he's got this more modular tech. There's more sophisticated modern uh tech meanwhile, you've got, um Peacemaker who has a much more classic kind of Aesthetic to a very like firm. This is a costume. This is a superhero super villain costume And it's reflected in their gadgets and abilities as well to kind of help further contrast them So so blood sports the more like I suppose utilitarian Um, you know assassin while um peacemaker. He's got a lot his gadgets are a lot more I guess you could call them Yeah, so he's not he's not, um So he's not using a lot of Yeah, that's that's a kind of him His full arsenal includes the pistol silenced pistol.  Yeah, it's like a yeah It's super really really impactful as an item Then he also has a dart a blow dart and um and an axe I think that's in total what we see him use Yeah Obviously blood sport is just he could pull out anything and it wouldn't necessarily be a surprise and it's all really uh Got some nice sound effects to it and um It makes him come across as very very cool.  I guess and then you've got um his mask I can't help but see alien in it with the um Yeah, it has that smooth top to it and then the more organic looking mouth teeth Yeah, it's like the jaw of a skull is it's the bottom of it and and he gets the modulated voice whenever he has it on as well so to me he comes across as like Like a person's attempt to make a really cool modern uh bad ass sort of villain and then peacemaker is just not even close to attempting to be cool and yet Pretty cool In a very uncool way it is cool. Yes. Yeah Um, and then we get the first of what I consider to be Pacing issues. Um, but you know, we can talk about it. Um, I at this point Oh, yeah, the only one thing I forgot is polka dot bad distracts everybody because he's got fucking colors growing out of his skin And they're all like what the fuck and he just quickly goes it's a rash Um, and yeah more on that later um But yeah, we we just we cut to What I felt was like just too long of a seed of javelin man passing his javelin to harley quinn and um, what's a harley quinn humor And I don't know I I don't want to say it's just her I would rather say it's always it's always going to be the writers and the not even james gun james gun could write her dialogue That was entertaining reason pattern moller, but well, no it's not because it's three different writers at that point Well in terms of her And she's the mainstay well, so I'm saying that if a writer If we've got three people different people writing it with three different goals, which I think you could say she's I don't know what's going on for her in each of these movies in terms of like exactly what the writers are trying to do with her um But like her dialogue is cringe throughout Does that mean we conclude that she can't work or does that mean we conclude that all of them failed? Oh, um I mean I get I mean all of them failed I mean well makes me wonder Well, we'll we'll go through it because I know there's There's a growing sentiment among lots of people that she's pretty good in this movie. Um, I Those people are wrong. I don't and they should be ashamed of themselves She's insufferable in this.  He didn't tell me where I'm supposed to go And I was just like, yeah, okay Yeah, I thought this was the beginning of some kind of meaningful character thing with her Nope, it sets up how important the javelin is because the javelin is very important inside of this movie Is it or could it have been anything? I think we'd have to conclude it would have to have been the javelin The only way that we can help make it make sense, which we will get to is that that javelin has to be more than just a javelin It's got to be some kind of Some sort of type it has to there's no other way. Otherwise this movie has more damage. Let's just sort of that way Um So yeah javelin man dies She's got the javelin and I was just like this is where it begins in terms of the All right, as long as we're gonna spend too much time with her, I want to go back to my characters, please Like and then we do I was like, okay, we're safe. Um Bloodsport wakes up to the sounds of polka dot man Well, not the sounds I guess the sounds of him like uh being very concerned. He's got a body horror thing going on So sorry, could I just interrupt up? Like I also want to point out that they don't gun down harley They were shooting at her that entire time and they take her hostage for reasons that become clear later on It's like, oh, they say like give up a world shoot you because that's how they did it with the rest of them Right well then again and wallow doesn't immediately I guess at that point the battle was sort of like over and they do have A reason we're gonna get to it for sparing her more than the others but um So there's a level of allowance, but it's still I'm not gonna give away.  She sends them to to save uh flag right not I think Waller or was that flags in um own initiative there? Well, so this is we're gonna have trouble now because she says that she's lost flag and they only discover flag later So does that mean they don't know where harley is but it does that I don't know why they wouldn't They would have to have trackers on all what about the no, they do that's the thing They don't track them all they lose The closer you get to the island and they apparently lose flag when he meets up with the rebels Only to this is the problem with this film and if you remember the analyst goes I am so fucking good at my job I found rick flag. It's like how What do you mean? Was that hard either his signal transmits or it doesn't what do you mean you found him? How does that work? Um, so yeah They it all works the way that it has to work for them to have the things they want unfortunately It would be weird if if they all have trackers, but like doesn't no he does he definitely does Is that it turns off because they get jammed a bomb or anything just yeah They get jammed that's that's what the film's telling us and and for some reason they detect him briefly And then they can send the suicide squad to go get him Um, it's weird and it's convenient for specific things that they want, but you're right, uh, if harley hasn't registered as dead Then I guess they're not going to kill her until they find out what she decided to do If they knew she was captured though, which uh walla never finds that out. I don't think um, I I guess that's the excuse She didn't blow her up because she didn't know that she was captured. She just assumed she might have been dead Yeah, so it's more an issue without inconsistent the tracking is yeah on the Mech bomb will do those trackers have confirmation on if they are if they're dead or not So this is interesting.  You have two with skulls on them the live tracker On our discord call here the one with all the little The jungle like the overhead the heat map thing. Oh, yeah Yeah, you have the two skulls for the dead ones Oh interesting. I didn't even well In that I don't know so all I was going to say is I don't know if that's automatic Like they've got a sensor of the brain activity or blood flow or something Yeah, maybe that But he's alive and well Why would you say that? He's absolutely dead. What do you mean? What are you talking about? This was a tragic moment Savant announced it. He's dead Yeah, that's true. I made a mistake.  Yeah, I get it in your heart. He's alive in my heart. Yeah, that's true He's just alive in my heart.  I'm not convinced but okay It's mom and my neck. I'll go along with it. I'm not going to take that chance. Oh, absolutely Yeah, um And then you get some a little neat Once polka dot man rises and he's covered in the dots He he vomits it all out and he's back to normal We'll get more context on that in a minute as you can see we're just man rises Yes, uh, we're just putting the pins in this then blood falls like we're what and Sebastian is squeaking at him It's like what's going on here and the rat points over Unfortunately king shark is about to eat rat catcher two Um, I know You see the shark man is huge and I imagine he gets hungry quite a bit Got got a lot to power up that uh A body of his and it's funny because he does the Good old just normal comedic thing of like he's spotted and his eye looks at bloodsport and then back at her And um, yeah, she's she's very much a deep sleeper as you can tell from this image Um, yep, and then we get some pretty just just good old fashioned They sort of set up in the first time we meet her. She's very sleepy. Well.  Gosh first person to spoil anything by the way.   She's like he has kind eyes Like oh, that's that's nice.  I well, is there isn't there like two billion rats on earth or something? Is that correct or is it? Yeah, right, there's a lot of rats lot of rats um And so yeah, this is um, obviously just a scene to establish exactly what kind of stuff we're dealing with with her She has a little device She turns it on and then all the rats will in the area which apparently Can be as many as like a thousand will immediately do whatever she says Or thinks I guess But well puts into the device. She probably has specific buttons for something.  It's a it's a sci-fi device and um then Like they all they all sort of turned up ready and John Cena just turns up in tidy whities Because he was sleeping. Yeah, I was getting comfy with a sleep. Yep And uh at this scene, I think this is where I started to basically be like I'm really liking this movie now The dialogue throughout this scene is fantastic um Pretty much every line they deliver is a banger Um over and over again because the first thing you have is her activating the rats and we already know That blood sports got a thing with rats from earlier And so he immediately gets really uncomfortable And he just goes I've I've got a thing with rats She's like you gotta think well, why do you want a team with me? It's not something I asked for Like And John Cena's just laughing at them while having this discussion And the so he obviously gets a little pissed off because they've got a bit of a rivalry going on He's like, what are you? Why are you wearing tidy? Why do you go? Hey, man?  They're tight and they're white Oh really? You have to listen carefully to try and catch it Um Yeah, and I don't know is I have a couple lines I really like from Bloodsport in this But what she says you didn't tell me you have a fear for rats du bois, which I think what is his name? It's something du bois, right? I forget Robert yeah, I just told him blood sport. Yeah, I typical blood sport And um, yeah, and it cuts back to him just goes I'm an assassin. Why would I share my liabilities that screams he sees a rat? This is a good point This whole scene is like such a great example of the fine line of balancing like comedy and drama Because we kind of have the dramatic element of like Rat catcher is talking there, you know King shark about friends and like what it means to be friends and not eating your friends And this is all meaningful Like character building stuff in terms of relationships while at the same time We've got all of this stuff going on with like blood sport and peacemaker, but They're jokes that also tell us a lot about who these people are in meaningful ways. It's really good Like that's just really good Expeditious writing Completely what he's really um Achieving so many things at once. Yeah, and I just I don't know the the humor keeps hitting as well They got a Sebastian walks up to The blood sport with a little leaf.   Yeah, and it's like, yeah Like it's not it's not unreasonable, but even this hardened assassin would be freaked out by certain things like rats Yeah, and I've got some notes about how um his fear of rats actually kind of um has an interesting through line with Yeah, the thematic elements with him later on. Yep So um, yeah, and then and then we sort of cut out of the um, the more just comedic back and forth dialogue with uh Hey, we're gonna kill megalodouche now or what?    You don't really know because a shark person Who knows what they're gonna who knows why shark people do what they do? um Yeah, and and it closes out and it's just really strong scene Makes me like everybody involved Um, and you just need more of this stuff and it and it progresses Plenty as well in terms of understanding people's powers and their um obviously I say this as if it's not just underserved.   Well, you know what before we get to that There's a little bit of dialogue that is so important and also so funny It was in it was in the trailer Yep, the way it goes is like they set up to have to destroy this camp that has rick Uh captured in it and so that's going to require a lot of killing. She says, um What's the what's the phrase for it like? complete When you're allowed to kill everybody Oh extreme prejudice, that's the one. Yeah extreme Man Was peacemaker says nothing like a little bloodbath to start the day Yeah, it cut it. Well the pads over to rat catch it too. She goes they call you peacemaker I just love that line To which he says I cherish peace with all my heart I don't care how many men women and children. I have to kill to get it That is like one of my favorite lines of the entire movie. It like just It expresses his character like through and through. It's exactly who he is so So this is I think it's a fantastic line and the reason why I think that is not only is it a really funny joke And when you watch it at first it's like, ha it's funny.  But like That he actually believes that. Yeah, that's what he believes Yeah, just lost me put it put it in your back pocket sort of thing whenever you're considering peacemaker Um, because it may have been a funny line But it might be a little bit more than that. Uh, so yeah, that yeah, that's basically like the intro to the scene now There are two modes in which I would like to oh, I guess I shouldn't cut off Rat catcher two that says I thought you were the crazy one to poke it up bad. He just goes I am Oh It's so funny So we begin a scene and there yeah, there are two ways I'd like to talk about it one being how strong the comedy is and then the other being How strong the continuity is? Uh Now I don't know which which one would you guys like to go with first or would you just want to bounce between them? Oh, let's start with the enemy AI and how none of them hear each other Continuity first Yes, right So the way this this works is we have a camp filled with enemies It's very you could say video gamey with we got our two Main killers on the team are going to kill everybody in the camp to free rick flag um During it there's a bit of a pissing contest on which one is the better assassin and unfortunately that means That we were more focused on how cool the kills were and the writer director was not focused on the logistics Of all of this because it doesn't make a lick of fucking sense um Nope, not even from the first kill if you actually look at how everything is set and where everyone's sitting This is one of the quintessential examples of a scene that relies on you thinking that anyone who's not on the screen doesn't exist Yeah, the object permanence basically Yeah, there's there's literally a shot where you know it was after he tomahawks that guy to death while he's sleeping Where it whipped pans to the side For bloodsport to kill those guys with the the hook weapon and it's almost like they spawned just before the camera Yeah, it's it's honestly that one was one of the most distracting we were watching it Because I was like whoa these guys were meters away from you just having killed screaming enemies What the hell I feel like that's the question right on set. Did you not think like oh, they're like right here? Like Or like the actors already right like literally outside of the screen waiting to do stuff.  Like what they were just looking at you being like well, this guy looks like he's But a lot of them have guns And so we're just supposed to believe that they are literally on pause until the camera shows them.  I've seen in a comic book movie It's pretty And couldn't help well enter it to a video game because it just feels like a video game. Yeah. No, you're right I it's well an AI with what are they what are they called in doxels?  You know i'm talking about where it's like the aggression range the agro. Yeah agro range Yeah, this it also reminds me of like leashing ranges as well. We're um, hey mauler Yeah, must must have been the wind. Oh, yeah, that's just an entire scene um but if If are we through on that mode because then we can reset the scene and talk about it from a different perspective Because interaction in this because yeah because it ends with them entering rick flags area and he and the people They have no idea any of this had happened despite all of the crazy noise. It's just like, okay Don't really believe it. However, we rewind and go all the way back Um, it opens with with king shark eating someone which by the way that alone should leave everybody But i'm gonna stop i'm gonna stop saying that now. Well, um, the kills are all like they start They almost like amp up in terms of the complexity. Um, because the opening ones are just like, uh Like axe throw to the head and then sword to the to the neck from oh, yeah, peacemaker has a sword too. Um I guess i forgot that one. Oh, okay, uh, as does blood sport you do see him with a sword at one point Uh, i assume Yeah, yeah, it's all oh, yeah, I don't know if because i'm not sure what peacemaker keeps his sword if it might be retractable Um, are you doing the tomahawk or am i missing something? No, he has a sword. Yeah, he has a sword He uses it a couple times actually. I just remembered it.  He's the dangus.  Well, I think it's oh, yeah Oh, I was about to yeah that's spoilers though um And there's polka dot man's power right. Yeah.  Who knows we'll have to see how everything turns out Um, but yeah, everyone's kind of shocked and just like yeah, that's polka dot man's powers He fires polka dots and people They melt it's it's a really interesting scene because it's very entertaining and I like to watch it But logistically it's horrible it's uh Yeah, very very interesting experience. There's two layers because there's there's good material going on with the character through Action and like what's occurring on screen there? But in terms of like the enemy placement and how the scenes put together it's it's problematic So it's it's almost like beyond probably fighting each other. Oh, yeah broken for certain um and Yeah, the the only the only thing before Sort of reaching the next part of this scene would be just um He says sorry. It's so flamboyant about his powers, which is such a bizarre thing to hear about your superpowers Sorry, it's flamboyant Yeah ratcatchers like I I think it's cool It's neat that he's like I just don't like killing people if I imagine that my mother it's easy Um, but again, it's a funny line, but it's also relevant. We will find out more so going forward Oh, yeah, and they arrive and rick flag is very fucking confused because he's actually these are the rebels of the The current coup so technically speaking they line up with us in a way Um, and you've just wiped out the entire thing because you assumed they were all hostile, which I think is a great Joke, I think it works really well and and we play off a little bit because all the characters are awkwardly like I didn't see anybody I pretended to be my mother and I killed them all. Yeah The thing for me though was that flag didn't try to contact waller It's like it just seems like I get maybe he was just trying to talk to them to like figure out what was going on But you'd imagine the first thing he'd be doing was try to reestablish communication, but So that's part of the problem is apparently they're able to know where he is, but they weren't able to talk to him And then they're able to talk to the suicide squad a little bit later If you remember waller talks to them when they're in the bus And so it's literally just convenience they it works and doesn't work at the whim of the writer It's not based on anything and it's for the sake of this scene And so that like basically all the team can get killed off so that like the leader and like three people are left Well, that's something I'm itching to fucking talk about When you're the leader of a rebel army and you're specifically Created to oppose a horrible government that's killing people She explicitly said they killed my family and that's why she wants to Buck them up And then you have this team of people rush through your base and kill what looks to be about everybody We all we see are the rebels going forward as a selection of about four or five people including her So for all we know that's just the rebel team has been wiped out And they're like, yeah, man. These guys are assholes, but uh, you know, we need your help And to me like when we were watching it we were just like I think she said I'd make a deal with the devil or something. I know make that work But like what what I just don't I don't I don't think I could swallow it I just like the idea that that'll just happen. You're like, well I guess I have to work with you guys still I think she deserved a lot more time Oh, I would argue she deserves Like the chance to pull a gun on them and rick stops her and then we have like a Quite a dramatic scene where we have to calm everything back down and you know, you need the conclusion to be This is our only shot So you're with these people or you're dead Also be like an ongoing conflict throughout the film. Yeah, we're clearly on on edge and maybe she warms up to them eventually Maybe sacrifices herself for them. Who knows? um You could do a lot more stuff with her character if you gave her that like Yeah, it was it was so absolutely quick.  Maybe that'd be nice. Yeah Uh, what I would do is I want to overthrow the government and I I hope to do so That's about it. Yeah Yeah In in regards to the communication thing what I would do to fix that like if like I would just slap a band-aid on that Like obviously you'd have to fix a lot more in this scene to get it to work as a whole But as far as wall and not being able to communicate I would establish that During the during the conflict on the beach his communication systems got damaged So Waller can track her but that's a separate system from the communications and he's been trying to re-establish Communications up until that point. So that's why he wasn't able to contact her and then when the team arrives There's like a spare comm unit that they can pass over and that's how they re-establish communication with waller But they never try even try to do that. It's just kind of a hole in the film Yeah, um And I think it's worth mentioning a lot of people are like in fairness What what else is she gonna do? And I'm like, I think she deserves that scene. She didn't really get it She just sort of says like, uh, yeah, I'd make a deal with the devil to take over the government.   Yeah It's really tough to buy what she does after you After the film tells you what it tells you they do seem to have I kind of want to have it both ways. Um, they wrote themselves to a really Really strange position Uh Yeah, and I I think it was just for I don't know. Well, it's really It's really funny. It's a really engaging scene.  Can we move on quick? And it's like no, you can't you can't move on from that quick You can't you you yeah, you made your bed And you know some might say what are they to cut from the movie if they to include more time for it's like, oh gee Can't think of a few things Maybe I can think one or two things, but we'll get there. We'll get there. Um, we'll get I do I do like the exchange where she looks at them and she's like is that rat waving at me and then rick flag is like He appears to be friendly Okay Uh Once again, great rat.   Does it make your brain good? He goes.  It's such an easy joke and it's just like Yes, it makes my brain good And so, um, I like yeah, no, I like it too and I was trying to figure out why I like and I think it's It's just how well it's delivered from him By the way, fantastic actor. It's cool to see him.  Wouldn't you just be like What in the world? And like can it survive a nuke because I don't know how threatening it is compared to having nukes, you know And I can't confirm that I do not know if staro could resist a nuke You know, it's an interesting question. You know, could he resist a superman with another? Yeah, uh, I I from what I've seen in the film. I don't really Believe that it superman would have that much trouble taking out staro Especially with the laser eyes.  Yeah Um, so yeah, that's that's that and thinker says, you know, I'm the one who knows how to work it So you can't kill me. You need me for the project and they shake hands and that's that um And the thing like this to me I'm like, okay, that was that was a lot of exposition And it was a little slow just to establish what our bad guys are up to I like that we've got the introduction just like back to might characters, please And then it cuts to meanwhile holly. It's like, okay Oh, no, okay. I guess we'll we'll hang out with holly. It's gone for a little bit.  And Like I timed it just so you guys know this scene in total the holly scenes of 17 years is how long it is Um, oh my goodness. You know what? I thought it was longer. Yeah, I know I I was completely misled on that one took a while to time it. That's why this episode of efab took so long I just want to make sure I got it right um So she's trapped and she's like, what are you guys doing? Oh, this is really cringy.  That was that was uh Uh Do you think they wrote her dialogue like that to try to make it more consistent with the previous movies? Because they know that a lot of people like harley from the previous movies or I I don't know how to explain it man because i'll tell you we were You could argue in good faith mode with this like like What's what's the like like overly good faith mode with this film up to that point? And like she slayed it. We were just like, oh, yeah, whoa. They were just like what what do we what? Oh, oh Yes cringe cringe and then they when is cringe?   She's gonna get the dress dirty, right? She also she's all like covered in mud as well But just hard cut to the car and it's like what happened in between You see they applied the makeup to the mud Yeah, exactly you want to show her on first and then get the dress Uh thunder just said I I've seen people say that she's better in birds of prey So I'm happy to say I think she's the best in this out of the three. Um I just don't like her in any of them Like she feels stapled on to all three like they don't take the time to organically Integrate her into the film which I think is the problem with all three And so she a lot of her stuff comes off as very forced as a result There are a whopping two or three lines in this that she says that are amusing Which is way more than what we get in the other two I would argue there is about 15 maybe 20 seconds of Harley Quinn content in this movie that I like And that is 15 or 20 seconds more than the other two I don't know why they didn't just integrate her into the the second team and just have her be with them The entire movie rather than like have her basically be a subplot. She's just separated from the rest of the group Maybe that maybe that tells us a lot about what was actually happening in terms of the process of this story It's pretty clear that like Because she's got top billing but like blood sport. He's the main character. At least I think he's the main character he's like the prominent leader pov character in the story And there's a lot more going on for him than there is for her like she's really got much going on for it all I'm not even sure what like her journey was in this film Like there's a few bits and pieces that I think had potential but it's still so divorced from everything else We can try and draw it together when we've gone through a bit more But um, so for those following along with us they throw her a dress they put her in a car they start sorting out her makeup and Like as an audience member, she's like what the hell is happening? Whoa What? And I guess to sort of rush it along a little bit of just for this scene We find out that The current president the one that's taken over from the previous The people aren't a huge fan of him or at least a lot of people love him But more would if he had a wife because they they just like seeing that he would have a wife And who better than harley quinn Somebody who has taken quite the she stands up to american oppression and that is quite the symbol to have as a wife You just apparently she's really famous for that in court her maltese like the adventures of harley quinn have propagated to this foreign nation It is bizarre I I had no clue what to think when I was hearing that it's like what How does she for one how is that even true that she like fights american oppression and then it's like why Why would they know about that and like talk about lucky as well that like they didn't kill her in the Beach invasion and brought her home for it's like wow and this guy happens to be a fan of her the president He's like I know you you're the one that again.    Yeah, she doesn't Distinguish between like good or bad actions or for in and against or as a part of a system She's just I don't know that harley. I don't know that harley quinn has any political opinions. No Um, so yeah, just absolutely confusing and he says like part of this is because his men want him to have some form of a wife too And so it we thought we were being tricked at this point a lot of people didn't experience this seen the way we did I've seen a lot of people talk about it. It was like this was really funny and like cutesy and interesting for her So we didn't believe it was happening. You get a montage of them doing like honeymoony dating things Like having food together going on the veranda together watching the sunset playing with birds.  Like what is this? This is not much the tone. It's like I thought it was like a hallucination of harley's because she's like schizophrenic and she has a similar sort of Like hallucination sequence and birds of prey that comes out of nowhere as well And apparently wasn't the case here. So we were really confused by the time we got to the the end of the scene Yeah, but so and just to clarify for anybody who's listening and confused It's to tell us they've had some time together now and she's actually invested in him and he and her And he asked it to marry me.  Well, there you go.  He looks out the window. She goes. Oh, is that yodenheim?  Quite the normal answer to gif It's pain. This this whole scene is pain. It's just it's a waste of time. It goes nowhere It This whole time i'm like go back to the rat. Oh, absolutely We would die in at this point. We were like, please give us bloodsport back. Like this is so unfair Why do we have to watch harley doing this weird shit? Yeah All the stuff that we've been saying about how much we love about this and how great the characters are Harley quinn is the exception.  I don't like her, but I don't think she's inconsistent or anything Yeah, I guess she's not. Yeah, I guess that's the thing. She's not inconsistent.  Yeah, it's something Um, and you think with this amount of time they must be doing something, right?   Yeah, that that seems to fit. Okay You know either way to go because craziness is just her trade basically Yeah, that's a big part of the problem.  It took us seven hours to get here And we wasted the whole scene and we had to have this big exposition dump It was it was slow and clunk the whole way, but at least we got to something um The issue was that you might as well just get rid of the whole scene because they don't really ever do anything with this Um, it's like it's an isolation You know, I was I said to the rest of the crew after we watched this that it felt like Halfway through production James Gunn was told that Harley Quinn needed to be in the movie And she needed to be in for like 25 minutes or whatever That's how it feels. That's not the case, but that's how it feels Because Harley Quinn has and we'll get to the other one later In particular two Long sections that are really just devoted to her and her alone In ways that don't really help the plot out at all. Yeah, we don't gain a lot of character from it. We gain some Yeah, we get tiny tiny little shadows of an idea, but It that's the feeling that you get and I'm already seen in chat that apparently James Gunn said he was most excited to write about Harley And I'm just gonna be honest.  I think so he more failed than succeeded earlier. Yeah, she uh Yeah If I could redo this movie that would be the Number one thing I would change character wise is just like get rid of her. Don't even have her be here Another problem is there's no one for her to bounce back off of like there's There's no other supporting character that she's like captured with or something like that that you could use to like have some Yeah, she often says queen.  Well, yeah, because he said he He said there was like reasons for why he didn't have Jared Leto in this film, right?  She's like, I'll just I'll just use other characters It's fine.  I don't think she's as bad as he is, but I agree.  Honestly, I wish that she had been killed off on ceremoniously I remember when the movie ended and I was just like, oh man, it could have been nice if She bit the bullet Margot Robbie's a billion times better than Leto no Not it not in these roles um I mean, can you really what what is a zero times a billion? like No, I get it, but So anyway, we then cut to another awkward scene where The general is now the president and it's implied. I don't think it's explicit in any way that It could have been that they wanted Harley to be with him so she would kill him So that he could take over But I think there's equal amounts to sort of interpret that this is just something that's happened and they're gonna move on from it but he fucking Boons down the bird sanctuary Yeah, just to show he's You could have just opened it and let them go, but Makes you evil I am It's something like I think I think that I made a comment on it as we were watching it was like This feels like the kind of thing that Zach Snyder would write a villain to do It's just it feels edgy for the sake of being edgy.  Hey bad guy bad guy everybody. He'd be like, yeah He burns birds definitely bad It's like yeah, we've established. He's bad And yeah, and so he's aware that there are other americans potentially and he's gonna torture that information out of Harley Hopefully and then a miracle happens. We cut back to the suicide squad Oh And it's literally polka dot man falling to the ground and smudging the chapter name As he's getting covered in his polka dots again, and we have Of course, it's it's only gonna go for so long It just to me it just seems like the kind of way you do it where it's it's like we get to the point Was it's getting getting a bit much? It's like we're gonna have to address this you keep erupting It's like what's what's going on And oh, yeah, and I think that it's it's a neat In a way just tells you a little bit more about bloodsport that she she says like we can't keep slowing down because polka dots falling over and rat catches sleepy The the rebel leader is like if we're gonna be able to you know Save my people or help my people we gotta do it and blood sports like we're not doing this for your people Just cuts her off. Just like Harsh but like making it clear. You're not team leader.    Yeah Um And yeah, so he explains that he is one of many kids in his family They were all experimented on by their mum in the hopes of creating a superhero and of course it went very wrong and uh Some lived some died and he ended up the way that he is and if he doesn't vomit out his um his polka dots twice a day He will uh, I think he says they'll consume him Something like that. Yeah from the inside out. Yeah, sounds that sounds like a really horrible fate for a guy that's uh, you know Then they set some really serious childhood trauma. Uh, I really hope that they explore this in a In a serious manner You can so we can talk about that if they played it off this joke Thinking about it. It's gonna be over in a second. So the uh He explains all that and then um I think ratcatcher says, uh, so where's your mum now?  They keep like using this Hold your horses the second. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I use it keep reusing the same joke. What are you referring to? I'm referring to the whole mom's thing. I feel like they How many times did I do it? No, not not that it's the the repetitions the problem It's that like it is a serious thing like this is funny But at the same time like it it punctuates what he's talking about with like the story with his mom But they don't really do much else past that Or at least in terms of dialogue. Maybe More material. I don't I don't know Well, so this thing I'm I'm ready to Uh battle this one. So I want to I want to hear some points So like what are we what are we dealing with with polka dot man in terms of is this a problem? Or is this a preference that you don't hold? Uh for me for me, man, either you also have for really Um, I don't what what's your takes up? I would say you you mentioned it a little bit before What's what's your issue? Well, they're currently going for a more comedic Uh Bent with this and it it works as far as like being funny. Um, it just It kind of reminded me of Thor an end game where it seems like his trauma is being played off You know as a joke as opposed to That's that's where I would disagree on that because it's in end game.  Ha, isn't that funny? You're eating cheetos.  You know, it's like what's going on? Like why are we Why are we just making fun of him? Whereas here it's like this is really funny But are we laughing at him because of this? Are we laughing at this image because it's hilarious? Like does that mean that we're laughing at his trauma or laughing at his suffering? I guess we're laughing at his seriously like we're laughing at his perception of things kind of which Yeah, which I think is it's it's a really funny perspective, but I don't think that that necessarily undercuts The fact that like like it's not we're not we're not laughing We are laughing at an image that is really funny, but we're not laughing at his expense or at least I don't feel like that's what's happening Yeah, I would agree with that. I was never laughing at the fact that he was traumatized I thought that part was always quite tragic, but I think I think that that makes sense It's worth mentioning Go ahead that seeing Someone who means everything to you trauma wise in your life in different places That can be portrayed in quite in fact that comes up in tasm too, right? He sees the chief Where he's dead and stuff that way is much more serious and it's going to be led into in terms of Stuff, but I want to clarify something because well chat keeps on saying that I said it's the same thing as Thor I said it reminds me of Thor from endgame So I actually wanted to talk about that as well. Um, don't don't worry. We'll we'll we'll all make it all clear This is an important discussion. I think it's quite interesting.  Yeah It's supposed to be funny that he's fat and a loser and he can't save his friends Which is a weird decision to make when this is the one of the main characters of this story Like yeah hogan old man. Isn't the main character. He's a supporting character, but Thor is one of the main characters and also like there's just a ton more, uh, I guess Weight to Thor's trauma. That's I guess a little bit more fresh No Build up to it and and so for them to undercut all of All of that all that like that huge payoff from infinity war and you think that they're going to Explore that in an interesting way and endgame and they just refuse to do it So people like he didn't say that it's like, okay So that's the point of the what he says is I've got like strength coursing through my veins or something And then war machine says more like cheese whiz Like the the point being you're fat. You eat lots of food.  It's like thanks Yeah, and I think it's important to remember that Like this is a visual gag versus the character actively and almost maliciously making fun of this really serious not only like trauma, but also physical condition that that Thor has So it's um, there is a difference in execution Definitely different in execution for sure. It's it's because I mentioned someone I saw someone in the chat mentioned gallows humor It's like well, do we want to commit to the position that like you can't make fun of something that you're still You know, well if they want more I would say is out of it's out of character for machine to have said that there Absolutely. Yes. Well machine road is a really good person.  It's only endgame that really makes him a joke person He becomes the jester in that movie. He's making and a lot of the jokes are funny that one isn't Um, and and this is the thing that the part that feels awkward to discuss it If if someone was to make the point like yeah, but you can't take polka dot man seriously You can't feel for his trauma or something. It's like so I did Which means That's word and impasse I did and you didn't uh, so I guess that's it Yeah, um, he is quite the tragic character. He's going through all kinds of shit And I just don't think it conflicts with anything to note that this Without his context and history being your own You can find this amusing that she turns up and she will morph into the person that she is And like she has these huge thighs.    I think it's it it definitely listed a lot of like, you know, chuckles out of me I also just kind of felt conflicting feelings about it Yeah, no, I understand. Oh, I It's kind of the same here. I just I never had an issue want to laugh at him I had more it and this is right after a scene where we see a bunch of essentially Going to quote good freedom fighters just get killed horribly and it's kind of played as a joke Yeah, which is arguably way worse. It is It is way worse. Um So That would have been um, I yeah, I Next to that. I don't think it Even comes close to We're keeping in mind that in universe none of these characters are making fun of him, of course They're all just like a little bit stunned by the story and just gonna move on Oh my goodness Oh my grief Oh my god Good job on you radon King frog God rags you have you what happened, man, I've been working out but mostly it's mostly it's the myth I was bulging out too A little box to block out the Freaky looks like it could be a blood board in a way rags does too actually I keep thinking about you for me a boss christmas Christmas what about christmas? I like how The grinch. Oh, right. Yeah, sorry. I didn't hear that. Yeah, that's the kind of thing Also just kind of on the subject of the mum I just want to compliment the actress because she's very she's on the in it very briefly But just in this one shot you can tell she's kind of taking on the physical mannerism to the person in that scene And I'm just like, you know, you're what what little you were giving you You were really able to kind of get like rick flags stiff up a lip and I kind of John Cena's glare and rat catch is kind of like Good Yeah Just do you see outwards into space the king shot dots from the the butterfly to polka dot butterfly polka dot Then commits to the butterfly Yep Buddy And yeah, so Their mission as it stands right now is to have some help from the rebels To get access to the thinker And so the nature of that is they need a driver to help them with knowing how the city works And so introducing Milton One of the stronger characters of the film as well, I would say The definitely. Yeah, Milton's been through a lot. Milton's a legend.   Where's my oh no, I don't I don't know.  He's gone through a lot already, but um, yeah Yeah, the idea will be that they use the truck to get into the town They'll go into more civilian clothing. Thanks to the rebel supplying that and then Get into the bar that the thinker frequency kidnap him And hopefully all of that goes well And we're getting closer and closer. We're not quite there yet to a particular scene I know a lot of us can have so much to say on uh They're all they're all setting up and they're still just banter.  Yeah, he's angry. Yeah, he can't he can't do the Understandably sorry, you know Yeah, no This for me, which I just want to make sure we we point these little bits out so that when we get to talking about these characters individually this We want to make sure you've picked up all the stuff there is to work with um They both laugh, uh blood sport and rat catcher At him being so frustrated He can't hang out like and looking at each other and then The rat is there and he's like I think looking for another sort of wave or hand shaking stuff And she's like He senses the good in you And blood sport say there's no good in me and just shuts the door. I'm just like, all right They had a little moment of connecting so he's he's he's shut her out again. It's like, okay Um, and while this is happening, uh rick flag says You know when we get to yotenheim, we're gonna be drawing a lot of the military forces He's like, well, yeah, hopefully you don't and what she doesn't realize is he's like no no If we draw them The main sort of place where all the leaders are is probably not going to be guarded as well And she just says you're a good man rick or something like that like you don't have to uh Be given it spelled out. He's basically just like trying to help the rebel armies cause while also doing his suicide squad job Yeah, we didn't get james gun crazy exposition about Plans and things. Yeah the character Stuff there you have to dig a little bit.  Yeah, that's the thing man I was just like I like that and it's like Okay, you know I'm still fine with rick flag being here, but I was just like that was that was nice Then We cut to the bus scene Oh, yeah. Oh, no. I have to pee. I'm so excited. Oh my god. Oh, no Uh going everywhere. I guess we'll just delay a little bit until rick comes back but um The idea being is they're on their way to their destination. That's all That's right. They're going into the city to this really cool location for a superhero story. I really like the setting It's neat. Why do you like it for me explain it in an essay? Oh, wow, but I got nothing beyond I just think it's in need of 3000 words or less. Yes, and it's tropical Central american like beautiful architecture Yeah, the architecture is is really great It's uh Reminds you of like this sort of the look of like cuba and stuff like that. It's cool. I just like it.  Well or done poorly As far as I'm concerned being like look out the window. It's yotunheim nazis used to be like that was awful Let's talk about this scene extensively. Shall we? It opens with talking to waller. I think well, I'm gonna mix things around just a little bit I want to get that out of the way first. Uh waller just reminds everybody that just because the comms are down Uh, which they're about to be further down.  Would you really do that and then she says you don't know half of what I would do And I was like, you know what in a way that feels like a reference to the first movie It especially if you don't know her from the comics.   Why don't you like rats? It was a weird thing that you just don't like rat and then he's like Defensive about it.   I imagine And so that's like a tiny bob Nice Exactly He's asking an honest question and he shout on her and then he was like probably shouldn't have done that and the thing is With how quickly he responded to king shark almost eating here There's reason to believe that he he absolutely does like think this person is a okay if if not, you know Like like someone he likes more than the rest But at the same time he's not looking to make any relationships And so that's why he says that and he's like, uh, probably shouldn't have said that but it prompts her to start talking about it, father Well, also, um, I just wanted to point out like he, uh, he's introduced to her Uh, like very briefly after he has that Confrontation with his daughter that sets up his concern for her, you know going to prison And here he sees this woman who you know, uh, had a father that made this Um device that controls rats basically and now she You know has kind of fallen into a life of crime And I think that he Sees a little bit of his daughter in her Uh, which explains his attachment to her from the beginning of the film Yeah, I would I would push that even further. She says her story is that of her father's gone He uses what she's known as a result of her father and it puts her in jail when she's not She goes away for armed robbery when she had rats Um, yeah, the idea of she's getting a way harsher punishment For something that she really shouldn't be is like one to one with his daughter um, and so Yeah, the um the story is essentially that her dad Uh was clearly into drugs While simultaneously he was a drug addict. Yes. Yes. Um She describes that as his burdens which can obviously mean he used them to offset something or it's just something of a general addiction but um He also created technology that can manipulate rats. Um And so those two lived Like on the streets, but the rats would help them out with different trinkets and do dads here and there and as she says keep them warm at nights, but unfortunately he overdoses and uh, He's left alone with with what she has and she ends up in prison. That's Uh, the the point of the story being that her dad always loved her.  She's not trying to poke at him or anything And so he explains that uh There would be times where if he failed tasks when he was younger His dad would punish him and I I appreciate the cut to peacemaker smiling when he says that true task master Oh, yeah, because uh, you could imagine with a soldier's upbringing how principled peacemaker is he probably thinks that it's Totally on board to Do certain things to kids who misbehave. I doubt he's cool with locking them in boxes with hungry rats is what a Bloodsport's dad did to it only for liberty Only for liberty Yeah, and what I kind of appreciate about that is that um, His immediate response when he when he's asked why do you hate rats is to deflect with you have daddy issues And the cool thing about that is that that's not him actually making an assumption about her That's him projecting his existent daddy issues Under her because there is that association with rats and that also reflects on his issues with being a father because his daddy issues Kind of spiral back into his daughter And I think You know, there's an implication that he does not want to be a father because of what his father did to him And he does not want to then put that another child through that experience even if unintentionally Yeah, he misfires on her with that and um It after like he gets that part of his story out and she says In relation to her father How strong their relationship was and how unfortunate it was and she finishes with saying Um, I wish I could give that love to you like the father's love for a kid to you and it's cool because You could argue there's a break in the dialogue in terms of his response doesn't make complete sense But it totally does subjection subtextually. He just immediately says back. I'm gonna get you out of here Like it's it's his that's what he has to say about what she's just said Even though like I said standard like on written that doesn't really make sense as a response But that's how he feels Then she says i'm gonna get you out of here And uh, oh bloodsport wipes away a tear like damn That was like two minutes And you you've made it so that these two are like better characters than everybody in the fcu Uh dcu at least post phase four and phase four And you know what it didn't undercut with a silly joke right at the end. Nope. Nope. That was yeah I was that was a concern I had for this whole scene is like We were waiting with baited breath like please don't do the mcu thing Please don't do the mcu thing and they didn't and it was really impressive to to all of us And we were just we were all just really invested and hooked into the scene. Um, that's a uh, like What silence investment? Um moment for the efab movies. Yeah Yeah, it happens here and there. Um, and I was I was exceptionally happy with this because um, it just bonds them now He's he's basically after that story and how genuine she is And how he sees his daughter in it and pretty much would like to protect her at this point So there's not much he's not gonna do for it now more than likely um And that's uh, that's only them two in this bus scene There is a really good shot of we see a lot of just people doing perfectly normal things And then it cuts to king shock is just staring at the mole because the the truck goes down Yeah, obviously being the King shock can't be like normal people Um, yeah And oh, um I just wanted to say like I think that the bus scene that was basically the the point where we're like So this uh, this shit's all over everything else that we've seen in the dcu as far Yeah, I think we said no matter what the second half of this film is it's better than everything in the dcu Yeah, that one has something of merit has a scene of quality to it as carrot I I encountered someone i'm i'm in a server that said that they prefer the first suicide squad Because at least that was funny bad and I will never understand that comment. That is bizarre That is bizarre and that person is strange But this one is funny and less bad It's almost a given so I do want to mention it Excellent acting from both rat catcher 2 and blood sport. I should really use their actual actor names for that compliment, but She's very likable and approachable and understandable and he has got this uh, this this vibe about him that just seems really I don't know. It's hard to it's hard to pin it down He is everything that I think they wanted to do with In the dead shot in the first one Which just failed miserably. Yeah. Yeah, um He really is just the Obvious superior version of that kind of idea that's been given time to Breathe and be explained and been given a really good actor to make it happen I don't know how to pronounce Uh rat catcher 2's actress's Last name it seems to be daniella melchior Melchior We'll go with either Yeah Yeah, I this is the first thing I've seen her in and she's uh, she's great. I want to see more of her in uh, yeah The first english language film it is. Yeah. Oh, I'm very impressed in that case. Wow Yeah, that is very impressive because she was great. She sneaks up on you because As far as you can tell at first, she's just gonna be the the nice one. She's the friendly one Then like his story in the bus scene. You just like This is just a fully fledged character She's a really important part of the film. Yeah um and so They arrive at the bar and um, they've got a little bit of uh time to kill obviously waiting for thinker to arrive And so they sit down to have some drinks and we get something. Well, we get a couple of things that I quite love First being that like blood sports like zero drinks. No, no, no But then peacemakers like oh come on like have some fun And it's almost like a you might be like you might not expect peacemaker to be the one to suggest that But in some ways you're like, I guess it kind of makes sense too Like of course this guy's gonna be able to have fun Like it's it's not like uh in the search for peace that you would be Against alcohol or anything.   Um, and he's like, hey, I didn't get one for the rat Yeah Yeah, and she gives a little fist bump to um peacemaker Ratcatcher does just like yeah, and he smiles at it which Important going forward I would say Discussions to be had but they're all having loads of fun There's a visual But I think I only caught on the second and third times watching this. Um, they cut to Rick flag and blood sport Laughing with each other for a good amount of time and sort of putting their hands on each other's shoulders sort of thing And you're like, yeah, because they work together in in the army or whatever They went on missions together And uh rick flag recommended him for his skill. So of course those two are buds Like there's no reason that they would hate each other or anything um And I think that's that's just a good little thing to sort of pin as well um So yeah, it's it's just again a scene to just see them sort of mingling and um Even get john senor and polka dot man everyone everyone's dancing everyone's just having some fun Pokemon man's dancing is you go ahead what? Well, sorry, I just want to say they're they're all really selling this because This cast has just amazing chemistry with each other. Yeah, they do Um, and you just you're sort of in it for them. You start to forget like, what are we doing as starfish or something? I don't it's fine. I'll just watch these guys do stuff Um, and yeah, the people that polka dot man is dancing with slowly morph into all of them are his mom and um The poor guy. Yeah, there it is. I was going to say I can tell you There you go, uh Horrifying I just love king sharp so much whatever. Oh, well, yeah So I was going to say this is all happening and it's quite the juxtaposition because um, we're sort of just mingling everything's chill And then it cuts to the the truck where of course king sharp will have to wait because he can't do any of this with any of them And the guy is so sad Yeah Just has to sit here And if I remember correctly, he used to wait there for like three hours or something Iraq got to go but he didn't get to go You know, he's upset I'm glad that they remember that you have king shark in the back all alone out here while everyone else is having fun And they just remember to acknowledge that Yeah, um, you sympathize with them a lot Yeah, um, again with just popping a little thumbtack into and we'll Think about all this in sort of retrospect when we get along but um Think arrives which sets everybody to get moving Um, unfortunately because the plot line is phenomenal in this it coincides Exactly at the same time as a police search Damn it So now we're gonna have to get him out the back way I mean, I might be skipping over some things here. I'm feel with free to stop me. Um Well, the whole ids thing that's what I love is that they're like everyone shows your ids And it's like you can't just see it like it's not that big of a bar and they're they have men everywhere Um Well, it's there's a lot of things that don't really make sense about any of this But funnily enough, I have the same argument here that I do for almost all of the film I think the plot is garbage, but almost everybody's doing what I think they should be As characters and what I mean specifically about that is um You have the characters acknowledge that people are getting beaten to get their ids And so um blood sport From my point of view, he decides we're not probably gonna get out of here.  I'm going with you too. Um Well think it goes out the back way now the gods very intelligently when you know controlling this place They sent like 15 people to the front and one guy to the back just to make sure no one comes out Unfortunately This man is very bad with a gun And so when he sees people he fumbles for a while until Like I know it sounds bizarre, but like what if like a rat jumped onto him. I'll just be gg Wouldn't be able to stop anybody climb me into his mouth.   There's also boobies Oh They're pretty not they're pretty good. It's um it'll get old right there Definitely keepers and uh as they're moving through I think uh because they're worried and they're not sure what to do I think thinker is like Clearly you are not the alphas of this group and then she cuts them off.   I cover what he says, but uh a lot of people.  Um an unexpected Then we get some more plot unfortunately, so They're in the back of this like armored vehicle and they're all tied up. Oh, yeah It's like what what else is there to say they all head, but the people with them and they're all dead Yeah, it's so bad You didn't try at all like they're just they're in the it gets worse as it goes on because like yeah They talk about like a The one hit death one one dead hit right chioshi jitsu it is a uh I think that I believe a character in an episode of batman the animated series Studies for an episode to try to use on batman to like kill him with a single strike It's the dim mark um And so they're like he's like you you can't do it consistently is what the guard says And then I think blood sport is like yeah amateurs think that and then uh rick flag says on one I think and peacemaker says one and then they all do like a move and all the guards are dead Um the guards and they were they were knocked out from the hit Either way, it's oh, it's more reasonable to go with them being knocked out. Yeah But I thought the fact that they were talking about the death hit was that they're saying that they're gonna be dead I don't know that's the thing.  I'm doing the thing I've been doing it too. It's hard with somebody somebody hero names somebody villain days I didn't even felt the need to correct you. It's like, yeah, that's right We know what you're talkin