You're good. Okay. Thanks. Good morning everyone. It's a convening of the Massachusetts Gaming Commission today We hold these meetings virtually often and so we will do our role Good morning Commissioner O'Brien. Good morning. I'm here. Good morning Commissioner Hill. Good morning. I'm here Good morning Commissioner Skinner. Good morning. And good morning Commissioner Maynard. Good morning right Going to get started today is December 20th. It's Wednesday We're holding our gender-study meeting number 159 and I want to wish everybody happy holidays and the best for 2024 we're looking forward to our holiday gathering after this and just want to commend all the elves that were down there this morning making a Converting our public meeting room into a pretty festive venue. So thank you so much I'm gonna go right to you Commissioner Maynard on minutes, please Thank you, Madam Chair Have a couple sets today to bring us current On the agenda setting just one second on one one interruption Marianne has found the picture We're all set. Thank you so much She was bringing you through for me for water. So sorry to the public We were we were looking for our coffee water pitcher. My apologies commissioner Maynard back to you serious business crisis averted We have a couple set of minutes it brings us current on the agenda setting Madam Chair, I move the commission approved the minutes from the November 20th 2023 and the December 6th 2023 agenda setting meetings that are included in the commissioner's packet subject to any necessary corrections for type of graphical errors or other non-material matters Thank you and have a chance to read them Okay, good. And thank you Commissioner Maynard and to the team behind That's all the work with you. All right No edits Thank you for the second commissioner Skinner Michelle right I Mr. Hill hi Mr. Skinner I Commissioner later on All right, and I felt yes 5-0. Thank you We're going to turn them to item three on our agenda. That's our agenda planning We have The meeting schedule right now it follows that the cadence that we're familiar with If there are needs from additional meetings, do know we're all flexible and nimble and we can add in to get stuff done I'm going to start on January 4th beginning the new year with April public meeting and We'll be turning to initiative update. Good morning Good morning. I'm sharing morning commissioners. So there are two items that are already listed there We can certainly keep those two on I'm not a hundred percent sure we'll be prepared to talk about the lease, but I think we can Plan on that. Anyway, there are two other issues that We have available to talk about as well that I thought I would just mention one is the gaming conference that Mark Randall and talk about previously scheduled for May of this of 2024 that we'd like to offer an update on and then We thought it would be helpful to offer an update and on the cashless wagering regulations and Plan and carry Theresa. You would be prepared to talk about that on the 4th if that would be helped Perfect given the holidays that if you carry and Mark could send over bullets Describing how you'd like that for the agenda that would be really helpful to me And I'm understanding probably it's the two of you will present and then Todd if you just can confirm if you'd like for the agenda on the other two. That's great. Thank you So that will be a full administrative update we're going to turn that to minutes commissioner Maynard. I've got a few dates in there now Yeah, we're going to finish up March and actually I have reviewed a set from April Or I have a set to review from April night in box So we've got down March 27th March 30th and April 6th. Does that sound pretty right? Yes I think there's one other set from March by the way just in full disclosure That's going to take a little more time, but Judy Judy's working on those but we've got for a January report We're going to be good with just those three right no more. Okay Thank you Okay, commissioner Hill Not just a update, but we have outstanding of course is the letter that Todd introduced Should we plan on reviewing that? Yes anything else No Commissioners are you gonna go on right with that? Yep Everyone I'll set you'll have had a chance to review it. Commissioner Hill any other anything else we need to ask of people to Think that would include anything new as well if there was anything omitted. All right good Okay regulations Back to you Todd and you're wearing your other hat Yeah, I am I'm not do we have any regulations for the for I can jump in there We don't anticipate having any regulations for the fourth. No Okay Thank you So sports wagering Bruce I saw Andrew and I'm reminded that We we had an outstanding issue on the fanatics matter, right? That request for a void we wanted further information to look at have the difference between Up the facts between that one and the earlier First non-compliance matter. Yes, that would be on the agenda Virginia report you'll be else that Yes Then we also have house rules for draft kings and fanatics Okay, and then one for a request to reduce hours at the call center for wind bet Which crystal will be presenting And I ask I know there's a lot and everyone's played but if you could send me the language and who you anticipate Presenting and any guests to me because we want to kind of wrap this up by the end of The week so I don't have to impose on folks next week. So Could I just ask for quality? Sorry clarification on the fanatics matter My understanding from the last meeting was that was going to IEB For sort of the standard Short-form report that then comes to the commission for the commission to decide how to move forward if that's not the case They just want to make sure wrong page. I think that The way I felt we left it and and commissioners correct me if I'm wrong is We We learned of their request for the void But there was a I think I raised the question initially that I wondered how it compared factually with the first Non-compliance violation that we actually issued a decision on and If what you're saying Caitlyn is we're going to do that in the IEB report. I thought we were going to get additional information In a public meeting form, but I I'm not sure if that's necessarily critical distinction commissioner o'Brien So I think procedurally we're all saying the same thing I think if it expedites it to have it included in IEB summary to us that might be the faster way to go One less thing on the agenda one less thing for bruce to have to worry about on the fourth That's fine I just think that won't be ready for the fourth that would no no But then it just goes straight over to you guys, but you'll incorporate the information and we can just Yeah It's about the distinction that I must admit so I'm I'm Fair could I just pop in really quickly we actually will be ready That is working on a summary report as we have done with the previous matter So if the commission would like that then that could be ready for the fourth The only thing I would point out is I'm not I am out of the office Until the third so I don't know if anybody else is in that situation too So putting it on the next meeting date would be helpful for me right after the fourth I am Well, that's that's kind of a little tough That's a new announcement commission over I am because we we've had This these matters Substant matters planned for January 4th all along So if you're so well just so we're clear I'm always out that week and so I won't be back until it's one extra day So what I'm saying is on that particular one. I didn't realize we were getting fanatic Substitutively that day. So I'm just asking on that particular one Okay, many I think many many team members and commissioners will be taking time next week And I'm pleased because last year was a different challenge. So um so in terms of Zach's report Uh katelyn and and heather That will come to us and that will address the issue that I raised about the difference and then it would go Into an adjudicatory hearing and we will not return to the public meeting or can you even remind me of the No, it's just an update actually from you know What we've done in the normal course is provide that summary report and then provide an update to the commission at a public meeting And then commission inside how they wish to proceed that's been How we've done it and I think that's what we were expecting to do, you know, we could certainly do whatever the commission And thank you. That's prompting my memory katelyn Because I think we had a little bit of a couple commissioners thought up You know, it's sort of very very straightforward If I recall correctly that um The issue seems so straightforward that maybe it shouldn't go to an adjudicatory hearing and then I raised the question like I wonder how it compares to the original And then I think commission will brian also join us and maybe we want more information on that to make sure We're treating the entities equally. So I guess so See I thought we had I mean I had come out of the gate saying it should be treated the same Even if it can be done expeditiously and that part of the presentation would include how the others have been done I thought we were treating them the same and it already decided to go to the jury I'm fine with that too. I just want to make sure the other. Yeah, I don't know Just to clear and that's where I had come from I I'm hearing from brian, but I'm thinking of my fellow commissioners because a few of you said this is pretty straightforward Maybe it doesn't need to go to an adjudicatory hearing. So I just want to make sure we're all on the same page commissioners can already call your Your comment particularly. Yeah, I was in that camp. Um, but but I was reminded that we had a similar incident and I think For me, I'm going to need those questions answered that we identified at the last meeting So I don't I mean, I don't think it can it will hurt to have Uh, ieb do their write-up as they have done for all of the other matters we've seen thus far And I don't think we're precluded from making a decision on that day that it's not something we want to hold in a Judicatory hearing on I I think that's right. Uh, commissioner skinner. Um, and Because I think we just didn't have all the facts before us At the last one and Todd, I think you're shaking your hand. Does that sound right to you? Yeah, that's right And I I think we should just make sure we we're all on the same page before we move up to this So my understanding at this point is that for the 18 The ieb will have a summary report And we'll present it to the commission the commission will decide At that point whether to schedule an adjudicatory hearing or to handle it in a different fashion Is that correct? Well, I'm hearing the 18th. Um, it was on foot. I was anticipating the floor. It's commissioner. Brian's asked for more time Um, I don't think that's necessarily a problem. Correct everybody Hi, ma'am trial. I would say to that point. They've already This is different in that there's nothing pending right to be handed back It doesn't matter if it's on the 18th or not. I think that's right. They probably want to hear Where we're going with this Sooner rather than later, but the 18th's fine. Um And I I agree with mr. Skinner in that Let's see the report and then we'll make a decision on on what we want to do that day, but let's treat it As if it's a full blown hearing until we We decide otherwise I think the reg allows us to make that decision and we just didn't quite make that decision because We knew we needed just a little bit more information Um, so Look at the report. Um, excuse me. I'm sorry. I apologize part and at that juncture as we've done in the past We say We can settle it then I know you have the reg much better memorized and we write. I can't smile We can settle it then or we can have the adjudicatory hearing and there's one other choice that i'm forgetting What is the other one? Um, you can send it to the id for It to work through the process Right, so I think that's the juncture and mr. Skinner is reminding me of that as well and commissioner maynard, you're all set then We're not going to lose any time on it Does that make sense tot? Yes, I think we're all of the same Okay, so that will be marked up for the 18th Okay Thanks, and then um, andrew and and bruce again, I'll just need to be reminded if um, you have So Just to be clear. So we will need the report to be circulated to the commissioners Really as soon as possible, but would that be uh, whether it sounds like possibly available Sooner rather than later by the fourth Is that where we are I think um, had the report of that sack would be ready for the fourth, but didn't necessarily say earlier than that Yeah, so if we can get the report uh around then I think that Will hopefully give the commissioners enough time to be prepared to talk about it on me Yeah, that should be good, and I guess at this juncture would be ieb rather than a sports major Right, okay All right. Thanks everyone for that All right So So I'm still in sports wagering. We've got the fanatic chatter the two house House rules the win that matter which Crystal will manage and do we need any further clarification about that right now from crystal commissioners? Do you want to hear anything further about that? It's reduction on time on their call centers and given the The last week of the year people's vacation schedules if there are materials on the house rules or That particular matter we'd probably need to get them in sooner rather than later Is that possible? I believe andrew already has some that i'm not mistaken andrew I'm sorry. Ty could you repeat that? Yeah, just any materials you have for any of the matters we've just discussed Um since people are likely to be on vacation next week and what have you this sooner we can get those in For the packet the better I think Andrew the house rules on draft changes and fanatic so the two that Bruce would be looking at those Yep, those two are ready and should be um out this week and then I believe the fanatics matters with zack I'm working with zack on just a couple questions Yeah, great I'm gonna I'm gonna ask that we extend that request to all of the items that we are reviewing on january 4 The sooner the better and um It's quite all right to send those materials to commissioners at least this commission are directly rather than going to trudy I'm not sure what uh trudy's vacation schedule is but As soon as the documents are ready. I'd like to see them just so that I can fit them into my holiday schedule That's really a good reminder and if everybody could just um while they send them to the commissioners, please include trudy and me You know rather if I assume you're going to send them to all the commissioners Because that's going to really help trudy with the pack the pack population So and commissioners can I am available next week? So They can definitely send it to me and I'll make sure you guys get it as soon as possible All right away Thanks, crudy. Yep All right, then I think that's it for sportsway dream cruise Yep, that's it. Okay. Excellent. Thank you so much Thank you. Okay, and then um Had a chance to speak with katelyn and heather about Uh, the beginning of the reporting on the process for temporary licensure and on the ports where anticipating just a really really brief um overview to be rolled out in more detail on the 18 um, and it will cover pens outstanding Request around durable suitability and what we can expect on that the temporary licensure process And what that will look like including a timeline and then I think katelyn um some kind of um Timeline on the suitability. So just be kind of three um prong report For the 18th is that going to still work for you katelyn and heather. I know you're you're transitioning with katelyn nicely Yeah, that will work for the like like if you said chair Sort of a short couple minute overview of the temp license process on the fourth and then a more fulsome report on the 18th regarding Both the temporary license process and the timeline for durable suitability And katelyn given that we're approaching the end of the year and also ask that you and um licensing division sportsway dream division work to compare that Connection with that update an administrative update on the two operators that were awarded untethered category three licenses That have not yet commenced operation. So that would be as a reminder the operators have followed that and dgc that way um I actually would love that to be part of the january fourth update Just where those because it's beginning of the the new year would be good to get everybody Including the public and update Okay, that's good. Thanks. So that would just be part of um January fourth high level Okay Then turning to I think we have along too um and mark on item number seven We can state my process for pse uh, that's right. Long and I are working on uh materials for the meeting We Will will have those definitely well well in advance And we'll be ready for the meeting Great. Looking forward to that Okay Heather And katelyn um the um IEV report on on core's floor That will be ready for the four Is it katelyn Uh, uh, that will be ready for the fourth Great, and we got Lewis and and bergton ball. Excellent. Thank you And I don't know if there's any documents for that but then you've heard and all of us are requesting everything as soon as possible in practice Then we have the diversity audit commissioner skinner That will be ready for the fourth Okay Thank you And then commissioner brian has a chance to speak and we thought that for the fourth will keep um this Kind of a narrow issue on the really good idea around the sea. I mean i'm imposing my personal opinion the um the concept of using a uh a seal of licensure Uh for our sports wagering operators commissioner brian take the lead on that. I think um You will probably check in with tom Um mills about that I know he's got some ideas. Um And then uh the next two items those are on the screening committee first. I'll turn to you commissioner brian And commissioner maynard and then No, well, we can give an update we've We have our last meeting of this year on um tomorrow afternoon posting will be down as close to business today so Okay, and then um And commissioner hill we'll be ready to give an update on january 4th And we've got the thumbs up from your fellow commissioner commissioner skinner. Thanks. Okay Anything else for january 4th commissioners first and then the team commissioner skinner I do have something and whether it goes on the fourth uh or the 18th out I'll leave that up for discussion, but I think it should get on sooner rather than later I'd like to revisit the interim ed's authority to Um discuss and and and and handle personnel matters as they relate to compensation Todd I'm sorry. I just was asking Todd because I wondered how I thought you said, huh? Yeah, I think you said How do you how do you feel about that? Are you going to be in a position that you want to do that? Yeah Absolutely. Yeah, we I would be happy to talk about that. That might be helpful Okay anything else Madam chair, I've got uh An item that was deferred from the last meeting on on december 14th. It was a Community mitigation fund grant for spring for the state bride home project um I those materials were sent over but they were pulled from the uh the packet I think Before the packets went out. I'll resend them just to make sure that that that we all have them, but uh If we could put that on for the fourth I will not I will not be here on the fourth, but mary will be able to uh handle that Okay, great and my apologies for not rolling that over joe. I really appreciated that did help us a bit on timing the last meeting and uh, there might be some additional questions on this one, but this is on the spring field. Um um Safe safe um the safe bride home project. Yeah, right home. Yeah Okay, thank you for that reminder my apologies. All right anything else I'll set Todd. I'll set Yes, thank you. Okay all right, then let's turn to uh January 18th We're going to include the fanatics matter Let's start with the administrative update I don't have anything in particular. We can certainly If the agenda for the fourth gets too long, we might be able to move one or two of the items on the agenda The administrative update they're over to the 18th, but we can stand by on that Okay Meeting minutes, I don't have any dates yet, but that's kind of in the future. Anyway, you'll get that to me Richard Maynard Um, legislative update um brad. Hopefully a letter will be resolved anything else you're thinking of Okay, just do you want to keep it on for a placeholder? Okay So what's we dream can we anticipate anything for the 18th yet? Yes, I do have one thing. Uh christian has told me he would be ready for the 90 day audit Okay, I know I just skipped regulations. I'm going to go back. So the 90 day audit and you're in coordination with Katrina as well Forest and Cod Yes, and I'm sure we by then we might have some other House rules or something like that by the 18th. Yeah In between The agenda's setting meeting on the 10th Okay, yes Back up to regulations. I know you have a few my apologies for sticking that inadvertently carry Yes, thank you, madam chair. We do have three regulations for the 18th We will have 205 cmr 16 the simulcast regulation Coming for initial review We will also have 257 the data privacy regulation coming with some amendments And then we will have 152 the forward exclusion reg and that will be coming back for final vote Thanks, Kerry. Do you mind When you get a chance, you know the 18th. It's a little bit but in terms of getting the agenda together just sending that Compilation Thank you all right Then we're going to the non-compliance Issue and the process we really carefully at that and And I'm recommending that we concentrate first on category one to get that in place so that a director ban will have that guidance and we'd like to Have that discussion again on the on the 18th commissioners. How do you feel about that? There were it was a well thought out Composal, but there were a couple or questions that rose um rose about Items that were even included in category one so Take it from there. It's a good discussion and Like to take action so that director band is in a good spot. What do you think? Todd are you leaning in? No I I I can only be the room by the lights of the boxes. So All I register keeps going off. It's setting up the box, but no Any commissioners are you comfortable with that? Does that sound like a good plan christia skinner? Yes Thanks Can I just jump in if the commission agrees? I think it would make sense to sort of As you noted to sort of bring back the policy regarding the group one, but also to set out the process by which Group twos or threes sort of move through.  Who does it go to? How does it come to the commission? What decisions are made? I think it would be helpful if that was nailed down Um for the future. So I was adding that into the into the proposal as well I I appreciate that but I really want to keep it just category one for right now because I think category two and three introduced some complexities about even the brag itself Caitlyn that I'd love and I think I have this discussion with cod that We all need to understand that the brand which we approved has a certain process that Has implications for category two and three treatment on the policy. So I'm trying to create an efficiency For category one that's most important and then have a little bit more if we could just maybe do it in the next meeting I'm not trying to delay it at all, but just sure That gets stuck done That makes sense commissioners You okay with that? All right, I mean is I'm not gonna head to okay. Good. Thanks Okay I'm returning to um So we'll have um On the fourth the spring field Community gay community mitigation matter on safe ride commissioner of ryan just noting that for your purposes because I know You're a little bit concerned about the January 4th agenda. That's a little bit in public safety space I just wanted to know that's that community mitigation Matter so okay, you're all right with that one thing on and then on the 18th I think Bonnie is all set. There you are. Dr. Andrews on the public safety report Yes, we're all set for the public safety report presentation on the 18th That's going to be great. Thank you And you'll send me that topic with all who's going to be speaking. Please. Thanks. Yes. All right um I know director vandalin and your You are thinking you'll be ready for that discussion the 18th. We'll keep it on You're smiling. That's well said. Um, yes, I think I'll be ready. I'm organizing the responses to a request for information Um, and should be prepared to share that with the commission on the 18th Okay, great Any other items for the 18th besides? Um, the fanatics that we're adding and then We've already discussed Anything that you can predict to the commissioners of the team all right Let's go to february 1st Right now it's pretty mean starting off the new month We'll have an administrative update We'll have minutes We'll keep let us say to update on are we anticipating rags? We may have a couple of rags for the first But if I could follow up with details of the next agenda setting that would be helpful. Okay, great. Thank you And then sports waging the same Yes, okay So that brings us into february and now for items under review We'll keep the island process a review process Yes, yeah Michelle brian You can stand or review for now. I think we can get some movement on it in the after the first of the year Okay And then till first dinner and grow on the hv8 Yeah, that that's still ongoing Okay And I think I made the correct the correction that andrew's working on the that restriction I think you're getting close. Yes. It's still under review though. Thank you. Okay um, and then The treatment of confidential information. I'm not really sure exactly about that item It's going to roll out to be and maybe we should just get a little clarification on what you're thinking about. I don't know commissioners if you're better informed about Todd and crystal yeah, this one is At the pro of the legislative conversation we had last week In the sportsway during space, there are very limited tools other than the public records law exemptions that are disposal to attempt to withhold any sensitive information that may come in in that sportsway during space and this was intended just to be an Opportunity for a discussion about that and how we're going about navigating it. It has presented some challenges And just so everyone is aware of of how it's going. I think that's really all it is I don't know that there's a direct Ask per se, but maybe crystal if you have anything to add please feel free I think that's right. I'm not certain. We're ready. I don't know what date we'd be ready at this time I'm working with monica on that and we're looking through everything we had so we want to come to the commission with what Exactly we'd asked for and where the challenges are so we think we need a little bit more time But it is a bit more of just an informational update on that particular Reporting component that we're struggling with so I'll definitely bring that back in the new year, but we need a little bit more time Really helpful. Thanks then they're separated by The annual report will keep the updates on for both screening committees on under review just as a ongoing out of right Okay, and then the annual report I'm working with um mills. I know I owe some Review, but it's in very good shape. So a lot of credit to mills, Dave and grace um Then we have item number nine There we are dr. Like oh Yes, we'll keep that under review to a place. Okay I think item number 10 is a repeat so I can take that off this and then Item number 11. I think I I actually Tended to take 10 off because 11 is different joe. Um you last time we spoke you were waiting for documentation maybe from EVH Yeah, we we um, I had a conversation with um with jackie A couple of weeks ago and we we talked about getting some kind of a schedule from them on on what do we do I've not seen that yet. I will follow up before Before the holidays and just see where that stands. Uh, but just one little update is uh meepa I've been in contact with the folks at meepa and they are expecting that they will render their decision on the project on uh, January 16th So I think that might precipitate some movement on this whole thing.  So I think that may The pace may quicken on this fairly quickly so Um, you'd like to keep it under review right? Yeah. Yeah, it's um until we until we get an application It's kind of hard to schedule something Yeah Okay Is that what it it is it's going to be an application job Yeah, we The letter that we sent out to them back in july listed out all of the various things that we want to see, you know plans and you know renderings and traffic studies and all of the things that that we asked for and You know the status of their Negotiations on host and surrounding communities all of those kinds of things we we asked them to provide us information on so You know, it's a lengthy list. I think there were 17 items or something like that on the list. So, you know pulling it together is it's not just a A formality. I think there's some work that they need to do to do that Okay Ultimately an application source. All right, and then item number 12 Madam Before we leave at number 11. I'm just curious joe. We had sent a letter to the city months ago Did we ever receive a response back from them at all? We had made some suggestions Just just suggestions and I didn't know if they ever responded to them Uh, I have not seen anything. No Okay All right, and item number 12 Caitlyn, how do you want to? Yes, you're in a new new position, but wondering how we're going to take care of this issue. Absolutely. So that you know Carrie will be sort of handling the reg process But that is in the queue. Um, we will we do a plan to bring it up soon. I think February if memory serves And so yeah, I would I would just say that that doesn't necessarily need to be on The this part of the list, but we have it in the review for a break of it And and who did you say will be handling it? Carrie Thank you Carrie, I thought I heard Carrie's name, but I did want to put it there unfairly All right, good. Thank you all right, and then um, and and I I think there's a degree of timeliness on that one Which we can talk about and then the update on I'm looking forward to this one mark sunder review. What do you think? I think we may be able to move that to february 1st Oh It looks like a good meeting day. Um, I think it will require sort of some cooperation from Dr. Michael wall from carleton university. We spoke with him about it. He's prepared I'll circle up with Bonnie and long and make sure that we're all set, but I think that's far enough out and it looks like a good day Sounds good. Okay Other items for under review or if you've thought of something that needs to go in front of us on the other dates Uh, madam chair, I do have an item I'd like to add to february 1st if possible Yeah So director van der linden dr. Anders and I would like to give you a presentation Regarding the responsible gaming implications of cashless wagering. So we would sort of anticipate Bringing you some information from various studies that identify some of the key issues and concerns and also identify Ways in which regulators might address some of those issues and concerns Right and this will be separate and apart from the up that you give us in the administrative update. Exactly. Yep. Hey, excellent and that's with mark and Dr. Anders and again On ways away, but that's the kind of language that I would want to get precise. So thank you Other items for either a different date or under review Um for under review, we will also have the quarter four reports for sports wagering at a point in late february Probably early march. I don't know if those dates are yet. So we would want that I thought about keeping that on but then we don't really do it with the casino one. So Thank you for but there'll be likely It they're not due to us until february 15th So probably the later mark the later february or early march meeting. Okay Kind of worked out to do four and four You like that too crystal I think so Yeah If that works for you Yeah, yeah, anyone truly can coordinate and see what we can do commission. I think that seemed like the Humane and thoughtful way to manage that Okay, I say humane because of length of meetings, but also that we can really concentrate Okay, see commission. Oh, thank you. All right um anything else One thing I'd like to add and it would be a public meeting that was like we can anticipate Probably going into executive session as our It was our last public meeting No, it was the meetings I think it was a quarterly reports crystal Where we um Sorry, I missed that I referenced I think it was at the quarterly reports where we um Learned of the not the um compliance rate around miners using right. Yes. And so, um I don't know if that's an item you want front or if you are planning on doing some sort of round table I think separately about that but Well, I was thinking of round table, but because they were asking what they were offering commissioners a few members that they are offering to have an executive session to go over the They are technical strategies and tactics. They use that they feel enhanced um their process for investigating suspicious activity around use of Operator that's outside kyc parameters I'd like to Work with have truly worked the crystal to maybe get the operators to come in on that Does that sound like a good idea still would you like that? Can I see commissioner bryan shaking her head? and Okay, and I don't know I don't know if they all need to come in some of them volunteered it I think would we're okay leading that crystal judgment to figure out the operators who wish to participate, but it would be They would have to be Probably in succession because they wouldn't want to share with each other. I don't think they're tactics if I'm guessing right So that's the only thing would be a series in and out As opposed to a round table feeling that we sometimes we get everybody together even in a second session But well, I'm actually wondering if crystal should have some conversations because my guess is that there are Certain measures they all take that are across the board So it may be that they designate one or two to make that sort of general presentation to us and then if there's particulars beyond that They can come in, you know, siri adam That's right. I know exactly what I was going to offer. I think they I mean they give us lots of information So it's just a matter of how to put the construct together best for you Um, do you have a time frame you're looking at for this so that I can try to work with them on that? Or I do I presume you want it before these quarterly for reports come back because then you'll have some construct I'm going to turn to commissioner maynard because um, you were asking the questions initially and They they did seem to want to be helpful Yeah, I think I think having it before the quarterly report makes a lot of sense I think it makes a lot of sense to engage in this To level set for us to know exactly where they are today so we can then see Where the gap is between what we're hearing and commissioner hill did a really good job of of articulating that too Versus where they are I would say crystal and the reason I took my mic off One of the operators had Significantly more still not a lot that significantly more Positive cases than the others. I would be interested in hearing what they're doing and and how they're finding people Um Yes, we've been actually um looking it's it's partially I think we got into this a little bit less time it's partially due to the reporting and the Ambiguity around that so we've been looking into reporting definitions and how we work all that out and how to revise that too So that's all part of this Not necessarily. I don't think we're seeing one operator report significantly more than any other By what we've asked it just they are all doing it a little differently. So that's a huge component of this Yeah, but if somebody's doing five or six and somebody's doing zero that's six times more, right? So that's that's we're making sure that reporting though for you guys is Looks the same across the board too because some are saying here's what we've identified as a maybe and others aren't So that's why you're seeing zeros versus fives, you know, so um, but definitely we want to know that So I think that um on the other end I'd be interested I don't know how you would want to go about that, but we we want to know what you guys are looking for in that Too, but this this will help us get there. We've been looking into this a lot. So Um, so I'm thinking a little bit earlier so we can work on that aspect too Yeah, it will take a little bit on your part. So so You know the best that you can do to arrange for date and if it turned out that We need to have a little special staff from this to You know to accommodate knowledge to parties we can work out a calendar Fix for you. I'm sure I think we will work on it director vandalin Hello, uh, could we add game sense quarterly update? um February 1st was looking kind of slim, but um, it looks like it's starting to fill out But if we could add it to February 1st, that would be great Break the game sense. Got it. Yes Thank you. Thank you Anything else for under review or something you thought of that should go on the calendar All right commissioners. Are you all set? Thank you. And thank you commissioner skinner for raising Um an item It is five of 11 Almost holiday party time um Again, I want to thank uh all those who are Who are making the magic happen downstairs when you appreciate your efforts um, and for those who aren't here today, we'll miss you and um, let my fellow commissioners Close out, but I just want to miss you a very nice holiday week and Really the best wishes for 2024 if you're not Going to be here um later this morning Mr. O'Brien Just wishing everybody happy holidays no matter what you're celebrating and I hope everybody can take a break and Rest and relax and enjoy over the next couple of weeks It's been a lot of work the last you know year year and a half. And so hopefully we can start to breathe. So Just wishing everybody the best Commissioner hill no a big thank you to the staff and happy holidays to you all Mr. Skinner happy holidays to everyone Love hug your loved ones get lots of that in over the next few weeks I know that you're going to be happy to have somebody home And then commissioner maynard I Join my fellow commissioners. I found that every year that goes by I'm becoming more like clark briswall, but That's okay. You know, I think it's a wonderful time and I do want to say I don't know. Is this the last meeting before heather leaves Well, you know that is a really good point because we are going to be honoring heather Downstairs, but that was going to be my next closing point. So this is a good time to to to mention heather I just I will just say Publicly, I know we're going to do this downstairs embarrassed heather, but heather. You've been fantastic um I I said this to caren wells too when when she was departing but when I got this appointment Um, I got a few text messages and and there were groups of people They said you're going to love working with and and one of those Was you and I got that from my friends over at the mcad So thank you for all the work that you've done. Thank you for preparing us Making us look a lot better than we are And um doing everything that you do and we're going to miss you Thanks commissioner So now we're going to go back again. I'm a commissioner of brian I'm not going to double down. I already did this to you last time heather and made you take your camera off But um everything that jordan said is true I think you know despite you know the loss of of loretta There was a lot of stability and confidence and you we have it in katlyn as well But you brought a lot of stability to the process particularly of the last six months. You've been very helpful In the ed screening committee And I know we're not that far away So I know that we will be seeing each other outside of this office And I'm pretty confident we'll probably circle back at some point in public service over the next Decade or so. So uh, happy holidays. Enjoy the time off And stay in touch Thank you Heather I just I'm going to miss you dearly Not only for our professional talks, but for our personal talks that we have Regarding families and things of that sort You you have been a array of sunshine Wherever you go in this agency and you're going to be missed by all And certainly by me Again, I will miss dearly our conversations that we have on a regular basis Um, I hope you the very best in your next endeavor Commissioner skinner Oh boy So fun fact I was on the hiring team with uh, loretta lilios And interviewed uh, heather and hands down. She was the best candidate. So I'm grateful for the insight That that I got um in Um, really understanding then what heather would be bringing to to the table here at mgc It's been wonderful to work with you first as a colleague in the ieb And now as commissioner and really sad to see you go but excited to see what you will do next and We will stay in touch and thank you for your friendship Thank you for your talks as commissioner hill said We both have teenage daughters That we swapped stories around so heather. I wish you the best. Thank you for everything you've done for the ieb and for mgc then heather, um We weren't going to let you escape A public send up I think all of your colleagues are really looking forward to acknowledging you Downstairs, so there's a Holiday party and then also recognition always up all of the colleagues this time But particularly you as you leave I have to say that You know heather just stepped into the interim ieb director position But she has been a tremendous chief enforcement counsel Um for you know a good two and a half years And as we all know during a very very busy Time and I I have to point out that Well, that was a really really busy time over the last year and a half Uh commissioner abaya. I'm going to remind you of it spent a pretty busy period over the Five years as we looked about and then and so that's what the bad news and the good news is that the commission This work offers a great deal of opportunity Really interesting issues and heather. I know that you've had a good taste of those complex issues that arose you develop great relationships with the outside stakeholders Um, they like working with you very much our outside legal team as well, of course our inside legal team Really enjoy working with you. Um, you know, I know that you in the matter had a great Teen relationship and she relied on you Um to build the shoes that she left as chief enforcement counsel and you did that so smoothly And then you took on this bigger position While doing the other not lost on any of us and so you know, I've commanded you publicly in person about how right away you managed some really complex Matters about cybersecurity all new while also building those important stakeholder relationships. You did it so nimbly and so fairly You know with a great deal of empathy, but also that you know, kind of fierce um work that you have in you and I like that combination a whole lot You know being both fierce and empathetic is a great combination. And so I'm going to miss working with you If I understand correctly that let's tugging you All right Are those issues that I think many of us who raise families during demanding jobs Those issues tug at us and I know that they'll always be exactly the right spot For your professionalism and all in your family And I just wish you and your family the very very best And I'm going to be keeping up track of some field hockey stats going forward um as I as I watch the um um Your daughter's progression. I'm just wishing her the very very best Thank you so much chair and commissioners really appreciate it It's been a pleasure to work with this team and I really appreciate the opportunity and I wish everybody happy holidays And looking forward to talking more before I sign off. Thank you again great We'll do it over whatever the um menu is so with that To the team we'll have um all of your comments will reserve uh Downstairs everybody can have a chance to wish Heather well, but we are just again Happy holidays to everyone and to Heather hall um Very best. All right. I need a motion to adjourn Move to adjourn Whoop second I'm not I I didn't know who gave me the second. Was that you commissioner skinner? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Oh second I'm sorry. I moved. Oh, I thought we moved simultaneously. So I think she's first and I'm the second Okay, uh for the record commissioner skinner move commissioner brian second. Thank you so much Christian brian I At mission hill. Hi, mr. Skinner. Hi Mr. Maynard Hi, I thought yes Five zero. Thanks everyone. See you in a bit