make that work with your azimuthal grid I think you'll get it and then we can move on because this has been the longest question ever So i'm gonna share my sound really wasn't even a question. We hijacked it What I don't think this was even asked No, yeah, you you hijacked it, but it's all good. This is yeah, we went a little bit south, but that's okay It's so good. All right. Hopefully you can hear this Mm-hmm. Well, so the answer to the mysterious magical sunset phenomenon has what's you can hear it. Yeah Space was talking about is really just as simple as Knowing what the sun is knowing that it's an apparent position and knowing how to accommodate for it with the limit of vision Right. So when the sun when the sun rises, here's what we see Rises and sets and you see what's perfectly on the equator right here. It's perfectly symmetrical Right in the middle. Okay, super easy. So there's the one sunset totally explained Let's go ahead and either change the time of year or change our latitude We can do both because that's what that's what determines the angle of the sun on every model by the way Not just ours. Here we go. Let's move it. Let's say inward and then here We have a nice little arc when it comes back around. That's how we get this wonderful arc sunset going south Wow, look at that arc. That's crazy. And actually we can go back to a different latitude and we'll get Say the inverse will go over here and it's a little bit North. Oh, wow. Look at that sunset. Wow, sunrise sunset and look at the arc and we can also change the time of year Because again, this is how we get the analema, right? Change the time of year Someone who doesn't understand the different sun angles a latitude dependent over earth probably has no idea what causes the analema either I would say That model didn't show the sun going to the left Austin. That was the whole point I can't hear you now Yeah, we lost your audio there, Austin. We lost your audio, Austin Sorry, if you if you can admit that it clearly just showed both of them It shows the if you understood how it's happening and saw the arc from one direction You would know that if you had changed the camera angle It shows the opposite arc and it arcs back down and falls around to the side of south. So like Yeah, I'm sorry if you don't get it, but we can move on now objectively Don't get it You have to say it's absolutely absurd that you're sitting here just like saying things that aren't happening on the screen And acting like they're happening That was your big that was your big argument. I'm sorry. Yeah, you you want to see suncout.org I just showed you that using stellarium data and understanding the curved visual limit of like saving 30 or 59 equidistant in all directions, you would get the same exact optical displacement. That's a different subject again It's the same subject. That's what the model shows Let's move into the next question because yeah, we Doesn't understand it. He doesn't understand it. I don't understand it How can we move on to the next question if he's if he's gonna sit there and just like say I just showed everyone and we can move on everyone just saw it You just said you did not show the sun going south while it's setting in that observation. Yes. No, you didn't Oh my gosh. It's literally the same exact data from stellarium. Yeah, I think it's not this Do you understand that the sun goes to the northeast as it's going around the earth? Do you understand that stellarium data you understand that it would go this way? Whether you're in the northern hemisphere or the southern hemisphere or the deep crater people are saying I took it Well Wait, let me say this one thing and we should move on He just pulled up stellarium to show where the sun setting This program is built from Stellarium's data and showed you the sun setting for the relative observer Begging the question Okay, so you just said it didn't show it and now you're saying I'm saying because the model shows We're moving on where you got to move on mega fan Dan is coming in. Hold on Austin we got to move on we're we're going to keep spiraling if we don't mega fan Dan says if the world is a globe and it's spinning Why do I fall in the same place when I jump straight up? I think that question is for you globey mcclope face have to answer that question I mean if you if you'd like to move on, I mean, you know, but we do like to entertain questions Okay, sure.  You're still moving with the earth and the atmosphere It's very very simple I'm not sure why that's a confused topic, but you can go watch videos of People on the back of a pickup truck, right and you jump up or you throw something up in the air it lands right back to you Same concept All right, now we got a little bit of a A more silly one we can just kind of move on from here, but lj always love to see hanging out Tarzan would never think earth is a spinning ball Thanks for your thoughts all Yeah, Tarzan swinging through the trees He's not thinking too much about the old globy poo kango 44 says witsit Are you arguing for geocentrist globe or a flat earth? You have no evidence of either So Yeah, but you know My opponent just conceded that there's nothing that you can actually bring up that would show that there's not geocentric So this is just the fact that you guys are coping with right which is That all observations in the sky show the earth in the center the heliocentric model says that's an illusion Because space is accelerating and expanding in all directions away from every point and there is no center And no matter where you are you're going to look like you're in the center Therefore It is an illusion that we are in the center So when you say you have no evidence that the earth in the center you're saying you have you can't account for any astronomical observation or evidence ever That's what you're claiming is you can't invoke any of that that doesn't even make any sense What so ever if you understood your model you never say that it doesn't have to be a globe Or that to be the case and if you understood how astronomy worked You would know it doesn't have to be a globe to see geocentric observations So and of course I gave you all the evidence for the flat earth you guys just say if you guys just say Oh, no flat earth evidence again You think that it somehow is a win and you'll just repeat it not like ad nauseam So no one really cares this is for truth seekers not people that are dishonest All right Seems like we might have a good spot to move on from there guys Let's try to do so And uh, let's see Lj coming in again says would anybody get on a 17,500 mile per hour roller coaster? big laugh face You know talking about how supposedly like the iss go 17,500 miles If that roller coaster was in a vacuum and wasn't being Wasn't encountering any air resistance. Yeah, I would it'd be fun any air resistance Yeah, it's minuscule. There's like very very few molecules up there You hit a gravity pocket and it gets intense. There's gravity pockets. Interesting. That's what your model said Tell me Yeah on the iss they occasionally like they all fell down on an iss live stream They all fell like just like you do with zero g planes and they literally card that fell No, no, no, no all the astronauts hit up against the wall during a live stream just like you do in zero g planes And they claimed that it was because they hit a gravity pocket now The other guy made a joke about a grab the other guy made a joke about a gravity pocket the magician that dropped the Card he claimed it was connected to a rubber band and he made the joke. Yeah, that's what you thought I was gonna say but too bad and we're talking about the actual time the astronauts all hit the wall Instead of bringing up the card you completely just lied and said they all hit a wall and claimed it was a gravity pocket Wait, wait, so you're saying there was a gravity pocket So you're saying you've never seen the video of all the astronauts on the iss hitting up against the wall No Okay, so I don't think I would be lying just because you're ignorant of something so we can move on I think you would be because nasa's never claimed as a gravity pocket There's no such thing as a gravity pocket a claim Well, it was more so something to do with like a the way that they had to randomly move and it changed the relationship of gravity You guys in the chat. Are you listening to this? You're listening to this chat Dude, it's a fact that all the people fell up against the wall and the iss. That's a fact claimed. It's a gravity pocket Okay, so I can't remember exactly what they nobody did. That's the point, dude Okay, what then what's the explanation? Not a gravity pocket. Let's go see the video and we'll give it get an explanation I've seen a lot of I may be wrong. I've never seen it. I may be wrong about gravity pocket They may have said that the relationship of zero g and the angular momentum changed in such a way that there was a net gravity situation for attention purposes and that's why they all free fell against the wall That's a fact if someone has referred to it as a gravity pocket. That's a fact The only time I ever heard gravity pocket was the card thing. Okay, but you've never even seen this video Last word we'll have for here. Uh globie and one move on Sure. So um, and the only time they've ever fallen or or moved uncontrollably is when they're When they're actually firing the thrusters to correct their, uh orbit altitude So maybe that's what you saw But there's never been a video of them all falling into the wall and then nasa claiming it was some sort of Gravity pocket, you know, you're going to admit it already, you know, so I'm just going to clip you and then put it right beside the video Yes, I hope they do. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay Rough outing bro. I'd ask you to see it, but I know you don't have it Let's move on there guys. Alex five dollars. What's it? Can you walk us through the flat earth model prediction for the next solar or lunar eclipse? Oh, yeah All eclipses are predicted based on cycles and relative latitude and astronomical observations And aren't exclusive to heliocentrism at all and actually I challenge anyone here to actually show me how it requires a heliocentric Models in the formula heliocentric values in the formula to predict the eclipses and where they're going to be It doesn't we actually have all the eclipses predicted on a flat earth and it's it's not exclusive at all You have a coordinate system transform and then you just map out the sky based on the cycles You get the relative latitudes of the positions and we can we can predict all eclipses as well So now we have a predict them except you can't explain why they happen Oh, but he asked wait, didn't he just ask about predicting them? Sure, but you're claiming you can predict. Oh, he just asked about predicting them Okay, we'll ignore the other part that you can't so all that so you agree that all the globers Including mc2 and all these people that claim you can't predict them And that you have to know that the earth's in a heliocentric model Are just patently wrong and doesn't have anything to do with heliocentric model And we have all the math and if I need to pull it up, I will No, I don't think we need to see any more of your math. Um, but again, you have no excuse for how they happen so Predict them or not You'd have to invoke magic on your model for it to happen There's a 651 great astronomical Year right cycles of 325 or 326 18 year lunar cycle 18 year 10 and 11 day 10 or 11 day eclipse cycle solar cycle transit cycle recorded history But then you just take all of this data then you can actually Fully replicate and predict everything including location if you actually understand relative latitude observations on a flat earth That's begging the question You're taking the globe has nothing to do with the globe has nothing to do with the heliocentric model And we've been challenging all these people that claim it does Show us where in the actual formula that they use that it accounts for the heliocentric model at all It doesn't it accounts for a stationary earth All right, p.g. Collins coming in. Uh, what's it remember when we proved that a basketball was flat by taking a zoomed in photo of one Uh, no, I don't remember ever claiming that like What yeah, we know that you We know that your claim is that the earth is such a big ball that it just always looks flat Yeah, we get it or it's just not a ball and it's flat, right? All right, let's move on. Uh, chris berry Let's try to get one here for globy.  So how did globy isolate the gravity from electrostatics from lj? Did I do some some sort of experiment that he wants to know about? I don't even know what he's talking about Um, I guess he's talking about in general. Yeah Um, okay in general isolating electrostatics. Well, you can do something like, uh Cavendish experiment, right? You you you can use lead electrostatically neutral Um Yeah, you can ground everything make sure everything's tied together, right? So there's no charges built up on one thing versus the other and uh Yeah, I guess that's what he's talking about. That's what you can do All right, let's carry on. Uh I can heather awaken heather. Sorry, uh globy. Can you steel man a flat earth sunset? Then we'll get one you feel you with steel man a flat earth sunset sure the sun gets so far away That it just gets just disappears it goes beyond your Your well, I don't know it depends on the atmosphere could block it at some point if you have really thick atmosphere that day Uh, could it could set sooner than other days? So I'm not really sure how that works But I guess the argument is just gets so far away that it just disappears Which is nonsense because it doesn't shrink Pretty terrible still man The one you correct me. What is it? Well, you forgot the most important part that is that it disappears into the vanishing point That's called the horizon the optical location where the ground appears to converge with the sky That isn't actually physical Right, so it just goes into that horizon that visual limit that slightly fluctuates sometimes the sun I don't know if you've ever seen it's pretty cool Actually, the sun will disappear from the bottom up like with the horizontal line It'll look just like a normal sunset sunset like up above the horizon I've seen that it's pretty cool But so yeah, it's just an optical effect that disappears and it doesn't change angular size because it's within your curve visual limit So it's basically equidistant to you. Oh, it is. That's interesting. It's the only object in the sky It's equidistant from you has it no everything in no no everything is going to be within your equidistant visual limit So it's perspective to the point of convergence, but it doesn't this doesn't shrink because it's within your what would you say? It's outside of your visual limit. So you see the apparent location Yeah, so the parent the parent location would be equidistant equidistant, right? Even though it's not equidistant If it was equidistant because of the apparent location of the curve visual limit then would it change angular size? Isn't a plane equidistant isn't it? Isn't anything else going away from us in your world equidistant because it's on the sphere of vision Nice your loss. No because the plane is within your visual limit We're talking about something from outside of it So it remains the same distance away from you if a plane gets closer to me then it's not the same distance away from me I asked you if it if it stayed the same distance away from you. Would it change angular size? If it stayed of course, of course, it wouldn't but it's staying the same distance from you The sun is not staying the same distance from you parent location is very very further away thousands of miles further away Yes, it's much further away than your curve visual limit So you only pick it up within your curve visual limit, which is equidistant in all directions And you literally had to reverse engineer You're literally sitting here saying the sun's physically getting thousands of miles away from you But your curved visual limit is making it seem like it's the same distance from you That's what you're saying. That's the steel man of what you just said. No, you're not really getting it No, so dude listen man your curve visual limits It's so the sun is closer looks closer than it actually is because that's the limit of your vision Yeah, it's an apparent location. Yeah If it's the limit of your vision, you just wouldn't see it anymore No, you wouldn't see if you wouldn't see it from outside of that So you don't pick up the light until it's within how far you can see And this is literally how we measure the sky. We take a zenith measurement and azimuth measurement We make elevation altitude measurements, right? We have a meridian and then we do this in all directions And it gives us a little dome which is why it's on stellarium You claim that there's a celestial sphere with the one-to-one ratio of a real sphere And that's why it's a linear relationship as we move over the curved surface that make the stars change Actually, no, it's just that we have a curve visual limit like exactly what we measure that you hijacked You then hijacked our angle resolution limit as well and then got the raised value got the raised value from the curved visual limit Said that the earth is curving and what the I'm still working. This is just a fact. This is so funny This is the most obvious. I love when you say that because the next word is gonna be a lie This is the most obvious tell in my opinion Right. So flatter says that everything changes with perspective and things go down when they're above you because of perspective And then embedding also applies to the stars the globe claims. Yes, that does happen with everything But not the stars the stars just do the same thing But it's for a different reason That's literally a still man of the globe So I think we'll stick with the with the one that makes sense and says it does the same with the stars All right last 15 seconds. Can you stand on the flat earth sunset to you go being a moving on? Oh, yeah, my bad Sure, um, I think anybody who's listening and just listen to that understands how Nonsensical it is to claim a sun is getting thousands of miles away But our optical limit is making it appear to be equidistant there as it is it above us It's absurd because that's how they mentioned that. Yeah, you're right. That's how they measure things as they as moofle right the zenith angle But you're saying as you look out That object there is not really as far away as it is That's what you're saying. Well, we're saying it just magically closer to you not magically just you can't see forever It's magically last word. Sorry. Yeah, we got to move on because we are yeah, let's just move on. Let's move on He doesn't get it. We're hardly even a 15% of the way through the super chats Dude, I applaud him for doing better than most people do at that question to be honest And this is yeah, we've got some we've got a wild Number of questions coming in here So if you guys are not aware if you're watching on the podcast right now, we are live on modern day debate So if you're not hanging out on our live chat, make sure you head on over to modern day debate And take part in our polls and all the other good things that we're doing over here Uh, like I said, if you're watching in podcast, make sure you subscribe to the channel so you don't miss these live Events and uh, also so you can see them on youtube. So when we're doing these screen shares, you can know, uh, What the heck is going on? So What's uh, let's carry on guys No, I just keep in the side Oh, no, my canadian came out. Look at that. Earth is life wits it What is the difference between plane and geodetic surveying? Oh, that's pretty simple. So well, we establish a local plumb, which is a vertical and then that's perpendicular to the ground which Vertical perpendicular to vertical is horizontal. So we treat the ground like it's horizontal And then you guys claim it's actually tilted relative to the center of a ball You just can't tell treat it like it's flat. And so anyway, we make the actual measurements using it a plane survey As if yours flat and you guys take the plane survey stitch it together Right, and you look out and you assume spherical trig Right, and you're like, okay Well, let's we know there's a certain rate of curvature that has to happen over distances We stitch that plane survey together to get the distances We know how much it should curve We have a predetermined window and then we try to take averages with different types of measurements That's the primary difference is of course that the plane survey neglects the notion of curvature And is used for all engineering and building in real life. And then the uh, Theodetic assumes the curvature and isn't really used for actual engineering and building in real life All right, well, let us carry on then and thank you again for all your super chats everybody. We do appreciate it. So Scary up here Chris Berry says is with debating mctoon on celestial navigation I don't know Yeah, I saw that he posted something on facebook about how I challenge him to a debate on slash navigation And i'm gonna run away or something's like no my friend specifically wanted me to ask him if if mctoon would debate it So I asked him if he would debate it. Um, well, I'll host it. You know, I will buddy So I I don't want to say yeah, I'm pretty sure my friend wants to specifically debate mctoon on slash navigation, but uh Yeah, I mean, I'm maybe debating the future. I'm I'm uncertain. I said I wouldn't debate him anymore. So Well, you know, send send your friend my email. You got that so Uh, we definitely are always interested in new speakers if it's uh, you know, if it is a new speaker unless it's somebody We know it's it. Is it somebody we know a lot of history and interrupting usually Oh good. Oh, that's fun. You know how that's always disagree Uh, you disagree even lord for both. Do you think the moon is made of cheese? Mmm, yummy No, I'm not even gonna entertain that. Yeah, what kind of cheese would it be though? I don't know man.  They're just absolutely a joke 2024 are we getting right now 2024? We got like the grainiest most trash picture I've ever seen in my life Oh, yeah, but let's be honest if it was very very good pictures, you would just say they were CGI Wouldn't know because they're absolutely terrible Right You would just say this one behind me was taken by Artemis as soon as they show me stars and I can verify their positions We'd be really heading in the right direction. And that's no cap at all. I'd be like, wow, that makes a lot more sense But if we could actually show a bunch of stars in relation to the moon or where they are Where they're navigating our videos in relation to their celestial navigation or whatever You know, they say they use the stars. There's videos of Apollo with stars What? Yes, there's videos of the stars and the Apollo missions not on the moon. I know not on the moon, but on the way to the moon Yeah, I've posted them Okay, but so we but you asked me what what I would think right if they were high definition Can you just admit that they're very uh, Underwhelming and dissatisfactory images that we received from this alleged lander on the moon in 2020 This last is the moon, baby. Oh geez. All right. We're No, it could be plasma though. All right, okay. I'm so sorry guys.  It honestly is It's just that it's a word. Um, I'm scrolling through a list if you saw uh, where my scroll bar is right now You'd be like holy light and ryan told me walk It's the moon made of cheese was the question. I see how you guys can vamp. It's awesome. Let's take 20 minutes on that one Yeah Toby walker says why was ruiyong wang able to measure linear velocity with an Inferometer in a lab in 20 in 2004, but we can't measure earth's linear velocity with Interferect for your property. Yeah, sorry. Thanks. I got you brother interferometry What do you that's a question for you? He said basically why was wang able to detect and measure linear motion with interferometer in 2004, but we can't detect the linear velocity of the earth's orbit What was wang measuring? I'm not unfamiliar with what wang was measuring. I'll send you that paper too I actually will if you'll give me your email. I'll send you all the papers. I'll give you my email It doesn't work if it's big big problem for relativity The only way that anyone's even tried to explain it yet is they invoke absolute space Which is You know not allowed in relativity, but yeah, I'll send you the papers. Just send me your email All right Let's carry on toby walker asked why does gps range measurement have to account for the relative linear velocity of a receiver craft This indicates linear velocity measurable with electromagnetic wave propagation Can you say it again? Is that for me? He says it again. That probably is they're probably coming at you, bro I'm going to try to help you. Well always a question says why does gps range Measurement have to account for the relative linear velocity of the receiver craft This indicates linear velocity measurable with electromagnetic wave propagation Yeah, so they're saying that gps accounts for like a variant speed of light that it changes and you have to It's c plus v you actually have to account for the velocity of say the actual satellite or whatever is moving So it's Relativity says you wouldn't have to account for it. So it's saying that light changes its speed And why does the range measurement equation that gps uses to get distances has to account for? Light being variant if relativity says it's constant All right, is that what he was asking? I'm asking I'm rephrasing the question for you I get it. You may not have heard of it. So like they're saying that dude just so you know gps To get the proper distances they have to account for Change in the speed of light relative to their velocity that it's moving when it should just be c It shouldn't change But to get the right distances they have to account for a variance and see like a variant c So c plus v c plus velocity that it's moving Um, which is directly in opposition to relativity But the range measurement equations say you have to use it for gps to be accurate All right. Are you talking about the adjustments needed from gps satellites? Is that what he's talking about? The speed up based specifically on the anisotropic distribution of light. Yeah, like the speed of light changing Yeah, yeah That's the real that's the relevant relativistic change of time due to the distance away from earth No c plus v. That's what he's talking about No, all right Let's carry on then guys because it seems like we're getting caught up on that one can go for the weeds The london underground took the curve of the earth into account during its construction Toe tanks for testing boats hulls take the curve of the earth into account thoughts gentlemen That is a famous one that took the curvature of earth into account the london tunnels, but I think the question was really for you. So I don't know what you got. I mean, I missed it This is something about what about bridges and tunnels that can't account for earth curvature allegedly The london's underground The london underground took the curve of the earth into account during its construction Toe really tow tanks that's very holes take the curve. It's also they really They would have to build in segments bigger than 10 miles. They literally were building it and had to stop Because the tunnels weren't meeting each other because the data they had was so old It wasn't taking into account earth's curvature. They had to make any sense They had to resurvey the area It does make sense because they weren't taking into account earth's curvature But they would have to be building in segments over 10 miles they Yeah, it's it's tunnels underground Yeah, but they're not building in segments leveling it off. I mean, I'll look at it. I'll look at it once Why would you have to build the whole segment at once? We'll look at it, man. All right. Go look at it All right Sorry, uh, yeah, let's let's carry on. Padme the cat says nasa can you tell NASA can tell me that the next eclipse is the best place to see it Why can't faulty tell me the next eclipse where the next clip it is and where to see it when Sorry, the next eclipse is and where to see it It's a little lack of punctuation there. But uh, it's asking you why can't you predict? Uh, eclipses Is essentially the crux I'll answer for you. You can Yeah, we can According to lunar and solar eclipses all of them locations. It's not map specific not coordinate system specific not heliocentrism specific I have it all right here so Okay, according according to him. All right So, uh, I think hopefully that answers your question padme. Uh, earth is life. What's it? Why do geodec geodetic of surveying textbooks and manuals say the curvature of the earth must be accounted for at long distances? Because if the earth was a sphere it would have to be So people assume the earth's sphere and at super long distances And you would have to account for it to understand your optical long range like angle measurements And of course that means that they factor into all other presuppositions and they're cherry picking, right? So if you assume spherical trigonometry and assume that the earth is a sphere and they make really long distance measurements Of angles and you have to assume there's a sphere and then you assume, you know, infinite Euclidean geometry perspective Then yeah, I mean obviously it the question is basically like why do people that assume the earth's sphere and believe that Say that in order to measure it being a sphere with spherical trig They have to treat the earth like it's a sphere curving like come on. You should know the answer to those types of questions All right, let's move on Isaac. Tim says another one for flat earth. Uh, and that's their first super chat. They said end of glober face Uh, wow, we hope to see uh, lots of uh more of both of these speakers here on modern day debate because you guys are a lot of fun So bonds says a 499 so for bonds for 499 says globy Is debate under influence of marijuana a winning strategy for globeside just some constructive criticism Well, I will tell you mr. We do not condone Marijuana in this house. All right. Let me just carry on is a ball flat asks ian mckina Yeah, it depends on what scale you're looking at it Of course the ball is flat if you get close enough to it So everywhere we can actually see it in reality, basically I mean technically it's never flat, right? But if you're small enough depending on the ball size relative to the ball you would appear flat for sure Yeah, if the fairy tale globe model. They told us was true. You would be correct, sir Okay, but that's not a point to discredit the globe Standing on your backyard and going it looks flat to me. So therefore it's flat is not an argument Yeah, it's a cool and fearful measurements. Fossil is not a thing, right? All right, let's move on from there. We'll get it It's not a thing Fossify the radius Never been done All right. Oh, sorry. Yeah, sorry. I mean you say the last word, bro Last word. There you go. All right. My shield is discussed asks austin Can you draw a map that arranges the continents and oceans with their known dimensions on a flat plane? We know the width of australia or the pacific ocean at any latitude from east to west How do you know though? How do you know the distance in in the south southern oceans? That's absolutely not true whatsoever But let me go ahead and tell you guys on this because people really think this is a good argument for the globe They're like, oh man, australia looks different on a flat earth map It's like, okay, first of all, man, you guys need to understand coordinate systems and maps, right? And how they're just transformed secondly, you need to also understand that For example, if we use gps for distances in the south, right? If that's what you're going to invoke to improve the distances of australia and knowing how big it is Well, gps uses meridian corrections Admittedly in their own paperwork, you talk about how they have to subtract distances In the south for the distances to work with the gps spherical coordinates of the assumed symmetry So they have what's called meridian corrections gps And of course, they could just hide the vast majority of it in the oceans Even australia, it could be much like we have it moved out And the second supposed evidence of this Is the way that the plane will travel like say east to west and the north to south and And it's about the same and when the guy pulled it up and showed that no It actually for the same distance it takes different times because if they're going the same speed but different times It can't be the same distances So anyway, long story short, it could look a lot like it does on the globe still be on a flat earth They've hidden the oceans in my opinion the distances are hidden in the oceans for the most part Are you listening to the conspiracy? I just stated a fact called meridian corrections. No, no, no, you stated non facts there You know what gps meridian corrections are? I'm not talking about that. You're claiming we don't know the distance Like the size of australia. That's what you're claiming right now No, I said that even it could be correct But we use gps meridian corrections. I said they could have just hit a lot of the distance in this in the ocean Next one coming in a lot of distance in the in the ocean. Yeah gps meridian corrections my brother. Look it up I'll look it up All right, that one was for Austin. So I did want to give you the last word So uh redolfo coming in garcia. Sorry redolfo garcia says hey flat earthers Have you measured shadows at the same time in different parts of the world and found the sun position or something? You have not produced a universal flat earth model, right? He asks Incorrect incorrect. Do you want me to show it again? I'll show it again real quick Yeah, you can screen jack real quick. Is this a flat earth model? Yeah, here you go So this would explain the relative apparent position. Thus all the relative apparent shadows This explains every single observation in the sky throughout the year And this is a beautiful model important note Some glovers misrepresent perspective and misuse this globe model Interesting to attempt to discredit flat earth a bunch of unnecessary bendy light lines This flat earth dome model can make correct predictions for many observations because the globe model was derived from the same celestial observations in the first place This flat earth dome model is entirely based on observed cyclical celestial patterns and orbits It is in no way in no way uses newton's laws of gravitation in motion The bending or warping of spacetime or any heliocentric specific attribute for calculations in the real world It uses in real world measured 3d orbits constellations inclinations axial tilts distances and velocities in the correct sizes and masses of sun moon and globe earth to calculate all observables So it's basically pointing out here that we're just using solarium data We map it out like it's a curved visual space you guys claim that that's because the earth is curving We're saying no, we're not crazy. We know that perspective also affects the stars We have a significantly stronger position and it accounts for everything in the sky including the shadow positions. Thank you It's rough out here for you guys 2024. I'll be real with you Oh, he left What happened? It's okay. You thought I was gonna go really long. I tried to be I tried to be fast Did I came back at just the right time pretty good? Yeah, you're good, bro That's good. I mean, yeah, because it's great And I was about to start going in on how the fact that gps actually uses the fact that the speed of light isn't constant You have to account for velocity when relativity specifically says it isn't so either gps is wrong or heliocentrism and relativity is wrong But we'll we'll hold off on that.  Good night. What's it not opening up a can of worms or anything over here, mr All right nominal asks Globy you should have a real photograph of the entire earth from space as your background debate or over All right There's one Does the globe model violate any natural or physical laws? If so, which ones and why? Second law of thermodynamics, which says that entropy will increase in all spontaneous and naturally occurring systems And that the amount of usable energy will decrease over time as applied to a pressurized system Which people call the atmosphere even though gases have no inherent shape and it would fill the available space violently immediately though it would you know because of pressure reactions to the equilibrium and fully available space so yeah, the current globe model violates the second law of thermodynamics um And pretty much a bunch of things if you get into like the heliocentric big bang cold dark matter cosmology then actually That universe type of model right that cosmology Violates the first law of thermodynamics combined with the second law of thermodynamics Denoting it requires a beginning and that there must be an external supernatural source Which is the opposite of what the big bang currently claims, but anyway, so yeah the second law big time It's rough out here for the And that and while saying we're thinking and that in reality an actual physical reality physical laws are all determined and verified and applied In relation to the lab frame Which is the stationary earth lab frame Right and we can measure absolute motion The globe claims that you can't do that Mathias actually moving so it's like yeah, they just violate off physical laws if you want to really get into the lab frame part of it All right, let's carry on Sean 666 says Oh, hey, why did you trigger the iron maiden Sean?  They accuse you Well, you're a coincidence theorists You think that the angular resolution limit of the eye just so happens to reverse engineer into 3958.8 miles if you assume the earth's sphere physically blocking what would automatically disappear because of your eye You think it's a coincidence that if you take the angular resolution limit of your eye And where things would fall below resolution the distance so you wouldn't be able to see them If you reverse engineer that you can get the exact radius value of the globe model Which is 3958.8 miles you think that that's a coincidence I would say you're a coincidence theorist and I just you know, I accept truth Even if it's uncomfortable or unpopular because what's true is rarely popular. What's popular is rarely true All right, uh, let's see free free Palestine says the Greeks build a flat earth model as a non rotating plane in the center of the universe The antique theora mechanism aka flat earth working model That's what they said How is the antique theora mechanism a flat earth working model? It just predicts Where the planets are Yeah, I'm a stationary flatter civilization, but You should go look up the documentary the mechanical realm. I'll plug it. It's about the antique theora mechanism. It's very interesting The mechanical realm agreed. Uh, they you know fascinating device, but certainly doesn't prove a flat earth Yeah, I wouldn't say it proves A flat earth. Well, some argue it does go watch the mechanical realm antique theora mechanism The only reason they Say it does is because they think that means the stars have never changed, but they they do measurably, so Uh, okay No Disagree There's a progressive cycle in the sky and it's not what you think it is and your parallax measurements go the wrong way a lot I don't want to open up that can awareness. Let's just Okay, mechanical realm documentary antique there mechanism But you disagree you've measured the proper motion of stars over the last couple hundred years You measured the proper motion of stars and that proves that it's actually not the stars moving, but it's us moving That's what you believe. So I think that's I don't know It proves the stars are changing their location in the sky and in relation to the elliptical They don't change. They're always they're stationary and everything revolves around Polaris, right? You think in relation to the elliptical orbit of the earth In relation to elliptical orbit of the earth All right, let's go. What are you thinking? Rodolfo Garcia asks I think they move In the sky Yes, they do. You're right. The stars move in the sky. Yes, they do you admit that Yeah, yeah, they move in the sky every day. No, I don't mean like rotate. I mean move their physical position You think they don't move crazy I just said they do move Well, you think they look like they're moving but it's an illusion What So weird straw man, so you just tired at this point. I'm obviously trolling you. Speaking of straw man. I'm out of drink care Like yeah, you think that there's actual motion and illusion illusory motion We get it whatever a lot of the claim progression is such long cycles. You can't verify it Which isn't because you can measure it over time Yeah, that's what you say All right, you guys if you are the astronomical almanacs wrong Um, no I think they assume a negligible progression over a long distance long periods of time not negligible. Yes How is it negligible when you does it's such a small minute? Are we don't have resolvability that would detect it over the course of many many many decades So how how long is Polaris expected to move over a hundred years? How long is it expected to move over a hundred years or how much how much how many degrees? I don't know not that much Enough to measure I I don't know supposedly You just claimed it was too small to measure like every 72 years. It moves like a really really small amount allegedly, but Whatever bro every 72 years. It's always moving All right, but it's not measurable till every 72 years. It's slow. So it takes a long time to yeah Okay, or maybe it doesn't do it Let's move on or maybe you can measure it year to year and see go back to the almanacs and see it How it has moved over the years. All right, let's move on right there. Maybe it progresses You always got to get that last word in there.  Maybe it doesn't I have to correct his misinformation, man It comes back down Did you want to grab yourself another drink there would sit? Yeah low key if that's cool. That's cool. That's a one I'll find something here for a globey unless you want to grab yourself a drink as well and I'll just just housekeeping I'm out, but It's getting late anyway. I should stop. Oh, yeah, you're gonna get yourself in trouble. Are you? Everybody gotta wake up. Gotta wake up get the kids on the bus.  They're like Ryan's totally done in tonight, but not yet Not yet. I'm just a regular parent. This is just how things are It just never ends never ends and and also yes I'm having my beer and having my pen here. So let's see. We got one here for you Globy wall wits it grabs his drink. He's pretty quick For the heliocentric model besides eclipses give an example of a shadow being smaller than the object or part of the object obstructing the light Clean that one up. November behave yourself You're gonna have to say that again. I said for so he's saying you believe in the heliocentric model Besides eclipses give an example of a shadow being smaller than the object or the part of the object obstructing the light It does is he trying I'm trying to understand the question. Is he trying to ask Is he trying to say the shadow can't be smaller than the object? Is that what you're trying to say there? I can't interpret that question Maybe I've had too many drinks If that's what he's saying, it's crazy because I've heard that one before but You can absolutely cast a shadow smaller than the object casting the shadow the shadow can be smaller than the object Just depends on how far away the light is Lj, uh, also ass says, uh, why is globie's background CGI? It's 2024 bra He's just be floating around I guess that's called that's called.  Is that what we're supposed to believe here run by actually the cameraman behind filming Oh, it was you all along. It was me. Oh gee Man a lot of people are going to be disappointed. I guess or excited. I don't know run Boston Bears says Mclover I'll bet your balls boy thought it was so funny when you snacked on lettuce every time You didn't understand what Austin was talking about. It's not word solid when it makes sense Well, that's not a question. It's not a question. It's a statement, but I'll reply to it. Um, I've I've asked many flat earthers when they've said that to explain what Austin has said and it's never been able to be replicated Because whether he's actually reading from and I want to talk about he's not here But when he's actually reading from a from a paper, that's that's fine. It's not word salad But he's not understanding what he's reading. It's pretending he does Uh, and quite often other times. He's just saying some random stuff. So Yeah, it's not it's not about not understanding now. Now all the flexing's over Oh, he's back shush. No, I'm back. No more lying Why yeah Yeah, we're well, yeah We'll just zip it up. No, honestly. Yeah, we were just talking about how how you don't know a word So I mean I get it how yeah, how wonderful salad is honestly No, um, how you guys don't know how to use it properly. I get it Me I was gonna say don't don't say don't come after me. No, I was gonna say, uh It's just cope because they don't understand the point. So it's a way that's like when you explained You explained moon phases the other day. It was fantastic. It was like, I know you talked about inertia And ethereal motion and it's all just words that you made up I can I can repeat it right now. All right. I said, you know, you can because it's a script It's just like the center something to the fact of it's just like the center Of a feral cell image of a magnetic field that black hole in the center is actually just pure potential It's inertial Meaning that it's not changing. It's an inertial state of pure potential That it goes through an energetic cycle. That's like the the cycle of a magnetic field. So that's not word Moon we got a similar words out that word salad because all those words don't tie together to answer the question It goes because I'm saying it may actually be energetic cycle of electromagnetic polarization that give you the same type of black Over top of it. All right. I was I was trying to inject there guys and get the not words out But uh, sorry if I made poor comedy there, uh, austin, you know, I love you bud Let's see. Rudolfo Garcia says hey flat earthers Have you measured shadows at the same time in different parts of the world and found the sun's position or something? You have not produced a universal flat earth model read that one. You read that one. I I showed my model. I'm sorry Yeah, we can predict everything in the sky and he's just wrong. Yeah, I was doing the magic scroll up there. My bad Texas cypher says a barge Califa is so tall that Ramadan fasting changes based on the floor you live on This makes sense on a globe where the higher altitude lets you see further over the curve Can you explain that on flat? The angle of view increases as you increase altitude you can see further over a flat surface as you get higher as well The fact that you guys don't know that still is Pretty sad Okay, let's see I am says how is a plane serving not a flat earth measurement? Especially when considering plane is defined as a flat surface on which a straight line any joining any two points on It would wholly lie Because you're not measuring something To to test whether it's flat or not That's why it's not a measurement of flat earth There's assumptions in those measurements, right? So what I'm asking for is a measurement without assumptions Like I provided in the beginning of this debate and that we're hand waved off Okay, you can actually measure whether the earth is flat or not and it's not Except that we measure the earth to be flat and plane survey measurements on her assume It's you you you assume it is by omitting things Right You would omit the curvature of earth. It's not there You you're assuming it's not there. That's why they're omitting it. I get it measurements work. That's why it's no, it's they're negligible That's why they work. They're 66 feet of curvature in 10 miles though. Okay, but we're not talking about 10 miles We are we are I just now read the engineering the civil engineering textbook That says up to 100 square miles that we use plane survey measurements for all engineering We can move on coming in earth is either coping We're definitely coping. I just want to flat earth measurement I want to see a test done with a measurement and go look earth is not curving Why hasn't it been done? You can't just randomly say plane surveying show me one do one All of one of you guys do one next one's coming in for you here. Uh, what's it earth is life 2024 Whitsett in your debate with will duffy you claim planes in the south travel at 950 miles per hour What distance would that plane cover in 14 hours? And what is the maximum range of a 787 dash 9 dreamliner? Okay, I didn't actually claim any specific speed And uh, the planes that fly in the south typically they they can go over 650 miles per hour And we know that jet streams can go over 250 miles per hour Like just recently it made the news in the north that planes were clocked all over the place multiple planes on the same Day going over 800 miles per hour When the planes actually were only flying like 500 or so when it comes to their actual air speed because the air speeds determined relative To the static pressure around the plane But it's going much faster in general because the air is moving. So yeah, you catch jet streams He said something about you would need them to go up opposite ways or whatever like provably jet streams go opposite direction That different altitude. This is a well known fact now prove it prove quantus flight q 64 The path it takes has opposite jet streams above or wherever it's flying provably right where the southern jet Okay, provably right where the southern jet streams are they're at different altitudes They go different directions and if you knew how autopilot in a plane works it actually maximizes its travel and momentum by Air resistance, so it tries to avoid air resistance So it's going to go with the air that's moving with it and avoid the air going against it automatically on autopilot And you can look it up. It's it's a fact that the jet streams go different directions Different altitude that's how autopilot works, but that's not why what I asked All right. I just answered the question. So if you didn't I asked you to prove your claim that varying Jet streams are used by that quantus flight Oh, what I said is that it would automatically happen because that's fine Let's the autopilot would automatically change altitude based on the most optimal flight path and this is well known It's so you can't prove there's multiple jet streams there based on air resistance And you can prove that the southern jet streams, right at different out the different directions It's been mapped out the data is well known We use no, it's not many other things to do it But to actually get the maximum speed of the jet streams is very difficult certainly in the south That's according to NOAA, right? So it's not well known because I asked you for proof and you didn't just didn't even Bobwinds.com takes all the real takes all the wind data and you can go look at it. Okay. Yeah, I'll go look at it I think what we should do guys Just because of what you'd said about time there earlier Globie and I want to try to Keep us within some of the realm of that. We're getting a little bit over time So I'm going to set a 45 second timer We're going to try to speed through some of these questions and we're going to keep it to the speaker So we're going to cut the cross examination guys. So we really Enjoy that but for the interest of respecting Globie's time constraints there We'll keep it to 45 seconds to get through Thy messenger asks actually membership chat came in says bodies of water rest flat and level no convexity 45 seconds But they do show the measurement of that in the beginning of the presentation You can measure convexity on any body of water Plain and simple Flat earthers misuse the definition of level. They think level is I'm measuring something level here And then I'm just going out infinitely far and that's the same level forever. That's level. That's not what level means Levels relative to where you are. It's a measurement. It's a point measurement. So I'm level I'm level here. I can measure something level here, but if I move 20 feet to the left, that's a different level some that's It's not the same level right and the further you get the more pronounced it becomes But this is measurable which I showed and if he missed the beginning, I suggest you go watch the beginning Specular reflections. All right. Specular reflection. November air says for Globie. Why is Antarctica? That's only continent that tsunamis do not wrap around but bounce back almost like a giant barrier mm Why do tsunamis well first of all I need to see evidence of what the hell that's a random Random claim that tsunamis don't bounce around Antarctica, but wrap around them in I don't know if that's I'll help you out here. Actually, I'll help you out phd. Tony So he's a seismologist right he he debated me one time on here and he said that it's because the continental shelf underneath Antarctica is different than other continents and because it's so It's like so much closer to the edge deeper down or something like that That the waves interact with it differently and it reflects. So I don't know that's what he said I said something like that, but Whatever that means that's convenient Convenient. I mean, is it a fact? No, it's just he just made it up. I think but I mean, you know, not his facts Is it a fact that tsunamis don't wrap around Antarctica? Yeah, my understanding is that they don't wrap around an article like other land masses. I yeah All right, that was he he said that was an official answer for it. So I'm assuming let's carry on guys We were past that time. So let's try to carry on. Uh, john smith says glow phase. Are you I'm not sure what that means actually so Sorry john smith, but this is probably not relevant and we'll just carry on PLN, uh, this I can't say your name. I'm so sorry, uh, but asks is wits it still a fan of russia Not sure if that's very uh I read it earlier. Yeah. Yeah, we can't we can't we just cannot I'm so sorry Let me just say like like dude stop trying to stereotype people that don't believe in the globe into using like all these different labels and stuff It's super weird. Like yeah, some of us didn't go with tyranny a couple years ago. It's okay. You don't have to stereotype us Thank you No stereotype in everybody in the live show That's what it was you were you agree trying to like lump all flat earthers into one way to condemn them make them look Stupid and paint them as whatever it's just called. It's called a You get it bro poisoning the well the stereotype house No worries. No worries. Uh, let's carry on kango says, uh, witsit is shown in real time The curve calculate matches the video of the earth still says no It literally did it. He literally didn't show it. We were supposed to just look at and say, yeah, it looks close enough It totally matches I pointed out all the flaws with that video And an honest viewer would see that um, but kango is I wouldn't really classify him as that so i was to move on all right, john smith, uh, asks uh, fv or globe all agree that Uh, once again off off topic, but he says that gaza is a tragedy, right? Uh, I mean, you know depending on how you feel about that. Maybe we would have a debate, but uh, America must bow to israel, man Okay, enlightenment took some sorry john smiths. We don't have It's not very on topic globe had me laughing hard when he said Uh, when he called your words word solid, I have a high school education I can understand everything witsit was saying Globe side was sad Did you want to say anything to enlightenment? And uh, globe, what's his name his name is enlightenment tuxin It's calling him okay Sure, he's free to come on and go live with me and uh, explain in uh, his own terms what witsit was talking about I'd love to hear it You got it. Mr. B. Uh, and also It's empty If you want to grab some more you go for it Um, but yeah, if you want to interact with either of our speakers They will be linked in our live description just to remind everybody If you're loving what you hear and from either of them hit them up Mr. B asks what's it? Can you please provide the math formula for celestial navigation to find your position on the flat earth that you claimed you have? Yeah, it's over here in some other folder, but it's just uh, it's a logarithmic relationship It's the same thing. It's what's one degree per 60 nautical miles It would begin to be logarithmic under 15 degrees and your model basically says don't pull any Angle measurements under 15 degrees when you do celestial navigation because they're unreliable and don't do them over 70 So you picked out the portion that would be linear Even if it was logarithmic So if you just take that r value so the actual angle is down to the center of a sphere for you, right? But for us it would not be that way would be out to the the edge of where you're seeing relative to direction So it's just inverted only not a linear relationship. It's logarithmic and every single globe earth that loves celestial navigation and all the math All immediately conceded that the math works perfectly on a plain earth. So So have you not submitted to toon's challenge because his is just about a map, right? So like he knows that obviously if there's flat we don't know exactly what the south is like And so he's not actually trying to see if you can explain the relationship of one degree per 60 nautical miles because that's been Submitted to him He just wants to use a trick about asking out a point in the south and saying you can't use a globe map And literally, I mean Longitude was created for the globe and then there was a patent that you have to use that system to make maps So it's just a stupid dishonor. I think that's the point though, isn't it? It's kind of just a dishonest bet All right, let's carry on november says austin you easily crush this guy flat earth gets the win Uh, so he's uh, he's giving you a compliment there. So we do appreciate the question It's not a question, but uh, you know, at least it's somebody that's not uh saying anything rude. That's always nice Thank you, man. Much love. Yep. Uh, let's carry on here. We always appreciate people. They're just uh, hanging out to say nice things. Uh, let's see Uh, coconut cream pie asks where's nathan thompson not here tonight. We got to the one and only austin witsett Uh, so we're having a lot of fun november says, uh, and vokes ring laser gyro has to google it And so they're they're making commentary on the fact that you were googling things. Do you have anything to say about that there? Sure, uh, if you were intellectually honest You have seen that I googled a picture so I could show what I was talking about while I was talking about it Or you can be a lying fluff and pretend like I was trying to google what it meant No, I agree. I agree. He just looked at a picture. Which is why he butchered how it works I think I think correct me then I mean incorrect me when I talked about it Because it was it was close enough for me to point out my But he said I butchered it so I got it completely wrong. You did a little you did a little bit I don't I was all good. It's it's it's all about the intricate. You can't say I butchered it and then just move on I can actually let this move on. I mean you did okay. All right, so butchered it may be a bit. Well, you get the last He's very lacking of substantive Specific well, let's be fair. This is for globey. So uh last Last word if you have any Best word I think it's okay last word already. You're good. I was gonna say I think it's totally fair to uh google things You know, sometimes I don't know how to pronounce things. I got to look that up just to know if I'm saying things properly I'm like, I got you all I'm on here, brother Know everything, right? Of course, of course, but I think it's a humble thing So the problem would be when you read off google live as if you're now stating it as a factor teaching everyone that you Didn't know right that would be the problem. I agree That's not what I did, but I'm not saying you did that. I'm just saying that would be Excuse me. Sorry enlightenment Talk since once said do you have a good analogy for the globe side of how powerful 10 to the negative 17 to r sitting next to earth 14.7 psi they never understand this A good analogy No, not on the spot. I mean the air would violently fill the available space I mean like even with the normal vacuum if you put a soda in a vacuum chamber, that's way weaker than that It's kind of just like explode Obviously going to be violent To fill the available space So they have to invoke that gravity is a container and just kind of beg the question. So I don't know they don't understand it. You're right They say that gradient as if that somehow means anything which is change in pressure delta x You still need the antecedent for the pressure and what does it continue on forever? Where does it stop? Okay, why does it feel the available space? They don't understand it. I don't think but um Yeah, just think about a soda think about a soda and what's the pressure differential between a soda and the vacuum chamber I don't know Well soda cans at like 30 psi or something like that. Okay So now you have 30 psi next to you know, zero say it's not zero But what's 14.7 psi next to the vacuum? What's it gonna do? But it's not 14 psi next to zero Well, it would be a strong man. That's the straw man that you guys destroy Which is fine. You can destroy that all you want because it's not what's happening It would be in what it would be unless you had a container that was actually Giving you the finite volume to then fill out and get a gradient. Okay, Robert Pollacher says I hope globy drops his green screen to show off his a super cool custom light setup space and lego's collection Oh, man, like what's wrong with having a lego's collection like Is that is that a true question or is he trying to be a little smart guy? I think he's I'm gonna troll funny, but you know what am I freezing? I think I'm totally freezing.  I'm gonna leave them back You know, it's a good time to leave and come back because uh We had a bit of a sidetrack question and that's fine. See look at that You guys can see the whole screen. So I have to do it that way Now I gotta go up and put up my background again. See but yeah I feel like I gotta show it now. So Yeah, as I say, we we had the moment where we asked what we're drinking You know, where are we at, you know? So Everything's mirrored. So I'm almost screwed up trying to show it but there's the shuttle the Hubble Right, like I got those guys and then the ISS I'm working on the Saturn five right now over here Nice, so putting the lights on the Saturn five right now Well, hopefully Austin it makes his way back shortly because we have quite a few more super chats to go Well, let's just see what everybody's saying in the live chat there. I better fix my background too But Let's see Just check the live chat make sure you guys are all just hanging out and having a good time behaving yourselves Oh, yeah, no guitarist Austin's back here while he's joining back and getting his audio. I'll show you my sad story Uh, well not a sad story. I just gotta put it back together. It's a shame. I got it yesterday But I gotta fix it I could hold it the whole debate. I swear. She's so pretty All right, Austin you made your way back glad you're Back here up and running everything's good to go So let's get back to our main screen Now that we showed off all our backgrounds and let everybody know that uh, we are existing in the real world We're here in the real space. Oh and Austin is now not He is gone. All right. I was in my spaceship, bro. That was real Yeah, yeah, no you take it off there. Go go. All right. Let's say here. Um, Mr. B We read that one. All right.  You said camera doesn't curve lines. The video showed the launch frame had a slight curve why Because that camera was the was on the frame of the rocket the launch pad looking down at the rocket That was a different camera altogether. And yes, that was probably a wide angle camera What the camera going up on the rocket was not so yeah two different two different cameras. That's why All right, well, let us carry on. Let's try to fix my camera there. So behave myself. Let's see here. We got moderator globe face your club your cup was empty at halftime lol Uh, hey, my cup is always got a little refill here next to it if I ever so need to My wife was wait for sorry. It's still empty I was to say you are welcome to take a second. It's fine. All right. So globy For me and joe says how do you explain the sun fading away at sunset? Go ahead and say it never happens The sun fit it doesn't fade away at sunset. There's clear video With a solar filter of the sun setting behind the horizon. This is how we all see sunsets every human being sees a sunset going down Now the excuses there's you know all the excuses that we make for why it's disappearing bottom up But then when people like him jump in with the question, we just see a sun fading off into the distance It blows my mind. That's not how anyone sees the sunset if there's clouds in the sky Sure, it might it might obscure the sun as its setting. So maybe it makes it appear to Disappear but that's not how a sun sets on a clear day with a solar filter You'll never see the sun disappearing off into the distance It's literally been filmed with a solar filter disappearing at high altitude. No, it hasn't it literally has You're talking about the david weiss video Many of them. Yeah, no, no, there's only been all right. I've only seen one They're like five it was david weiss They're like five of them and he he completely used a post edit fade out Wow 100% So you're actually accusing of editing the video. I'm not accusing he did It's been it was analyzed by someone I know All right Let us carry on there guys You can laugh all you want. No, by the way, by the way, the glover argument is that it wasn't a good enough solar filter Did you say it wasn't a good enough solar filter? I said, that's the actual No, all the videos you guys show of uh, you know the sun being zoomed back in and all that never has a solar filter on it Except that one did all right. I saw in the live chat somebody was concerned I didn't get to their super chat. Don't worry. We're getting there There's just a lot of questions here and if I do miss your super chat Just tag ryan thymod in The modern day debate live chat there and I'll make sure that I don't miss your question So james gp says glober in the video you showed off the rocket launch use of the camera Doesn't curve lines. The video showed the launch frame had a slight curve. Why we just read that one Oh gee, see this is this is that that that finger thing I was telling you about You say mullet hat when talking flat earth a small hat when lying Not sure what that sure what that means. Is that another uh Another uh comment then just move on Not sure Benjamin scott says globy why on july 8th is 99 of the population of the earth receiving unlight Sunlight Sunlight. Yeah, sorry. That's just That's just because because 99 of the population lives on one side of the globe All right here. I'll just you know, I mean real quick sure and won't take won't take Yeah, you got some time this This part of this half of the globe You look at it like this Is all ocean And then you can see some of australia here the rest of the population is living over here So yes Half of the globe or about half. It's a little bit more right or a fraction going on But when you got to understand when they're talking about that also they're talking about Some any form of light not just daytime right dusk dawn You know every time every type of light Okay, so yeah All right, Sean 666 asks Why would governments and space agencies around the world spend billions of dollars to perpetuate what you believe is a lie about the earth Being round. Oh, yeah, we did what read that one as well Yeah, as you say that was earlier because I was trying to find one for wits it because we asked you a few I'm sorry, uh, benjamin scott said I mean sunlight Not sure what you're referring to let's see. He just asked globy why on july 8th is 99 of the population on the earth receiving sunlight. Oh, he was correcting his typo on light I I was giving the benefit of the diet. I was like Is this the dude? Oh, no the canadian came out That maybe this was something I hadn't heard of ticky tack asks. Uh, the earth is in the shape of a peanut Don't think so Okay This is declaration of fun. Uh-uh proportions November's as earth is not an omelette papyroid globy got crushed another declaration Um, then alexander l makes the declaration says utter destruction of witsit. Oh my we got some conflicting People in the live chat and they're letting it be known skidmark. McGee puts in five with witsit Why does your evidence begin? Uh word salad isn't evidence Where does your evidence begin word salad isn't evidence your claims and lies Are not evidence. So when does your actual evidence begin? That's all they have. It's it's like pretty sad. I feel bad for them honestly, but um, they can never even give one specific example of word salad and when they say they do I just absolutely embarrass them and show that it's just that they don't understand words and It's really pretty lame tactic, right? So I provided all kinds of evidence Much of it was just completely misrepresented. Half the time it was near lying Whatever I dropped all kinds of evidence specular reflections And not have convexity or concavity because you would have diffused reflection That proves that the surface of the water is actually flat and we went on and on and on playing survey measurements line of sight microwave high frequency Inter-parametric measurements a different altitude changing relative to solar motion and periodicity of the sun and the moon Which proves that it's not the earth moving the actual pendulum changing its procession based on Eclipses and solar motion and periodicity of the sun and the moon improving. It's anyway, you get it I gave a lot I gave a lot your coping and then you have to say that I used word salad because It's just some way to try to act like I'm like lying or not saying the truth. You're coping. You're coping. That's the answer That's it's what it is is quote mining. It's more than more than word salad. It's quote mining Anyone's on my quote mind all right quote. Oh, sorry. Go ahead Uh, einstein because we all know that he believes the earth was a globe moving around the sun, right? So you're trying to you're trying to quote mind him to invoke that he somehow Admitted that he doesn't know if the earth's moving I never said that I said even he admitted that though he believed it you can't actually prove it That but that's what you're insinuating, right? No, I'm you're quote mining him to try to pretend like he didn't actually know It was moving. No, that's a lie My whole point is that he's a hostile witness He's one of the best guys on your side that saved your model to claim it's still moving And even he had to admit that you can't actually prove it no measurements on the earth No tests on the earth could ever prove it So that's not a good one. See if you got another quote mine. I never quote mine. I never cherry pick I never do any of this stuff you guys said definitely not If an example of quote mining you are over one. I just did just explain why you're wrong That doesn't mean you're right in your explanation I if I had listen, it would be quote mining if I said or cherry picking if I said einstein Thought that the earth wasn't moving or something. I didn't say that I said einstein even had to admit that no optical or terrestrial experiment can actually detect the motion of the earth Even though he believed that it was moving around the sun Even einstein admitted it as a hostile witness. That's not quote mining. How about searching. I don't know what words mean I'm not searching for papers using chat gpt and sending those links out as if they mean something That's another lie. So what actually why we saw it happen That's another lie. So what actually happened was I did ask chat gpt for extra sources once I couldn't find them. I reached out. This is what actually happened. I emailed brian I emailed brian mires and I said look, I can't find any of these papers used to be a professor Do you have like access to databases? Maybe these are old papers? They got pulled but you can find them or something I can't even verify if they're real. Can you help me find them? And then he sent them to mctoon mctoon did a video mctoon did a video and claimed that actually I claimed they were real It just went around claiming they were real and I had read them And now all the globes repeat that lie when actually I just reached out to a professor and said I can't tell if these are real It's funny how all the stuff you say about me requires you to lie. It's funny. How how'd mctoon get them? We got to move on because brian mires emailed that forwarded the email to mctoon and then mctoon lied Oh mctoon lied. I just specifically stated what happened All right, let's move on guys. I think we've uh called slander by the way when you call me a grifter in a con man That's also slander. Yeah, I think we've gotten as much out of that one skidmark McGee So, uh, let's try to carry on before we get ourselves in trouble. Alexander. Oh, I'll see That's kind of just an ad hom. So we're gonna move on from there. Sorry, Alexander But thank you so much for your support. Uh, it's not very productive. Mr. Lollipad says wits it Can you explain celestial navigation? Thanks for your first super chat Yes, again again So on the globe earth, right? They say that the stars look like they're dropping in the sky Just like perspective does to say street lights or the hallway But that it isn't because of perspective. It's because the stars are so far away That perspective doesn't make them change. It's because the earth is curving And since there's a celestial sphere around a curved earth and there's a linear relationship a one-to-one relationship So 60 or one degree per 60 nautical miles that the stars will change, right? They'll displace one degree every 60 nautical miles you go across the earth because the earth is curving at that rate Okay, but the flat earth would just be actually perspective does make the stars go down Just like we see them. It isn't the one exception in the universe where perspective all of a sudden stops working And then you would have the same relationship only it would be logarithmic over a plane surface with a visual limit as equidistant All right, uh, mr. Kai suggests that we don't use words that we use muppets our puppets instead. It's more effective Yeah, what's you're just using words, bro? That would be that would be fun though if we uh, we we animated a debate, you know We can do it with a i at this point and uh, other uh, you know auto uh auto video filters, but uh, let's just not all right, so uh lj says No, we read that one. Did you we're actually getting near the end? Look at that Ljolo says uh globers think witsit is just a good debater. This is true. The truth defends itself So is uh, let's go. Thanks to you witsit. Uh, well, it's just that the truth is easy to defend Let's see here witsit debating a mctoon on celestial navigation from allen Maybe my friend wanted to debate him specifically. He's got beef with him. I guess that's why I asked mctoon We gots the beef can just obsess with me once clicks like that's why I normally don't engage with them We gots the beef, but let's not take the tea. All right. Yes. I have bed bugs asks I don't want to say what a thing to make me say live witsit turns does witsit gets it my precious I'm I think they're just being rude. Uh, but that's their first super chat. So no just I don't care. I don't know what they were looking for. Rudolfo Garcia Uh, I have to work on my gallum impression now. Look at that. Do you have midnight sun in the flat earth model? It looks like you have nights every day in your model. Do you deny midnight sun in the south hemisphere? Uh, yeah, I don't I don't agree with that claim because I know I know people that Even one that worked for nasa was stationed there for six months said you do not see the sun in the sky for 24 hours Like we we've at now you claim to have one video or whatever You said that you could debunk all of them. Well one of the most famous ones that got millions of views on youtube They ended up coming out and admitting it was doctor because it was so blatantly the end was chopped on The end was added to the beginning and they admitted that they did it after we called them out That's a fact. So I know people that have been there. They say you don't see the sun for 24 hours You see light and it includes a former nasa employee that was stationed there for six months So I certainly don't deny it in the north And I would have to have verifiable evidence I'm trying to go to antarctica myself next December and I will see what happens and then when I don't see it You guys will all make excuses for it. I mean, we know how I go It's hard to listen to the lies like that. I mean, and if you're not lying, I feel bad, but I'm sorry globy That wasn't was for him and we'll tell those are all facts. Those are all facts.  Exactly. That's okay. I'm doing this for you globy as a fellow I'm gonna bet a stack it was facts All right only sheeple asks for both what causes the shadow on the moon during the total lunar eclipse No, woo. Please explain clearly how it happens. Are you get 20 seconds each? You go first the globe blocks the sun Next You're presupposing that it's a shadow and I don't have to do that and you don't even need a spherical or circle Objects to cause that shadow you can use if it's a circle or sphere itself It's going to create that shadow regardless of what size it is or what shape what's blocking regardless of what shape it is and of course, um I don't think that it necessarily the other shadow I think it could just be an energetic cycle There could be something else in the sky and sell a million eclipse He bucks to claim that it's the earth blocking the light from the sun Certainly does as it does. All right. I've modeled the selling alien in my freaking living geometric impossibility I'll show the video right now Were you just cheating and claimed that it's really up in the sky? No, I modeled it with a globe and I simulated refraction and I caused the selling alien Yeah, just beg the question that works. Anybody can go to my tick tock and look at it tonight How much can refraction lift the sun and moon up above the horizon?  It's maximum half a degree. It's plausible maximum half a degree All right, we got to move on guys diligent disciples says remember when an astronaut dropped a screw on iss Oh, no, no, that doesn't count A screw They've dropped all kinds of stuff. Oh, I know the screw the screw video. Yeah, I've debunked that as well The screw video. Maybe we should watch what we always say. No, I'm kidding. I'm just making bad company drop stuff on the ISS It wasn't a screw. It was uh, he was pulling a panel out He was a twist lock and they claimed that when he pulled it out. He dropped it like there's magical gravity Um, but you can slow it down and I have that also as well under I believe got a lot of flirt play playlist you can Uh, when you brighten up the video and stuff you can see the pin that leaves his hand Um, clearly showed the pin in his hand and if you follow the logic of the video, you'll see that He pulls the pin out He looks down never reaches down for anything But they think the looking down is him picking something up and he goes around And then you can see his hand never opens. He has the pin in his hand the whole time And he puts it back in and opens the panel Um, yeah, that was painful to listen to man. I'll show it right now. But again, you know, it's cool It's cool. You sound like you sound like a sleazy defensive attorney or something Because I took the video Uh, brightened it up so you could see what's not you're good, man. Yeah, yeah, you're good means I'm a sleazy defensive I don't even know I'm I'm saying you just sound like a defense attorney But like I don't know about the specific video. I mean, there's definitely dozens of videos that objectively they're using virtual reality augmented reality If they are you make no one's touching anything and things fall right in front of people Hey, they move and then greens behind them. Let me show you something just to the audience Hey, guess what guys do you see how there's virtual reality behind me? You see when I move you see stuff behind me Yeah, that's how virtual reality and green screens work. Yeah, you see how stuff that's what happens on the iss When there's crazy when there's digital signal loss, you get the same thing. No, you don't I literally watch my tv does that No, you don't say no, it doesn't anybody with tv with satellite tv has experienced that When you move behind you a green screen appears just directly where you are just placing the background never appears Okay, it gets pixelated and everything. No, it's green. I have it. I have it. Okay, sure you do We gotta move on. I'll look at not go. Wait. Wait. Let me say one thing Go look at nasa fried the last live stream on my channel. Good luck. All right. Yeah Thy messenger, uh, let me know in the live chat that I missed the chap. He said, uh, uh, Rob Schieba's work on atmospheric lensing due to heat temperature over water When you see boats cut in half the atmosphere is acting like a lens You sure we missed that one? I feel like we just always but Yeah, if you guys want to respond so yeah Any thoughts? Oh Yeah, light attenuation magnification turbidity and density humidity all these things are going to Lessen the information that's resolvable not to mention your angle resolution limit relative angles Things would have to disappear from the bottom up as it blends into the horizon the distance on a flat earth That's the most ironic part of all of it except we can't model that in any other scale Except you literally can you can't yeah, it's been done at university. I showed it on my channel Rayleigh criteria shows it actually doing the same exact thing. Oh cool. What video was that? Let me write that down Uh, I don't remember the actual university. Maybe it was uh it was uh I don't know. I remember I totally made it up. It's not on my youtube channel. You'd buy thousands of people at all All right, let's see here Robin page says the drop experiment has been done We're dropping a ball from great enough height shows the deflection from vertical due to the difference in angle Momentum sniper rifle fired north to south is same All right Is he is he saying something about courier was? Say it again. Maybe the drop experiment has been done. We're dropping a ball from a great height enough height shadows deflection From vertical due to the difference in angular momentum. There's no There's no commas in here guys. This is that wasn't I have no idea what he's saying Sniper fire a sniper rifle fired north to south is the same I'm trying. I mean if you're trying to say that if you drop an object free fall that the earth moves underneath it Then you don't understand your own Model so i'm not sure what you're talking about man, but uh, there is actually a drift over top of the earth Measurably increases with altitude Um, let's see Alexander L says what's it pulled up a paper that debunked him. He's Saying that you debunked yourself. So You just It just resorted just lying at this point The paper literally shows that interferometry Friendships measurements increase with altitude and change with the periodicity of the sun the moon in solar motion Objectively you saw the title of the paper go read it doesn't disprove or debunk me at all Boy, that's going to be a great sound bite. Well, I'm glad I was excited You know, this is one guarantee you won't take that sound bite show the paper and then clap right to the paper I guarantee you won't do it. Okay Well, I was gonna say uh, regardless of that, this has been a lot of fun And uh, we always appreciate it with it's a good nature and engaging with some of the chats that are a little bit more Pointed than what we may like or especially me the kind canadian host coffee converter asks What's the agi eccentric explanation for the measured Dernal and annual Doppler modulation of emr received from pioneer galaxies stars and cmb And crucially, why are all of these modulations received in phase at earth? I think they're asking that one to you. What's it? I didn't I didn't catch it or geocentric explanation. Sorry. Yeah. What's the geocentric explanation for the measured? So it's di you are an al diurnal and annual Doppler modulation of emr received from pioneer stars galaxies And cosmic uh background radiation or cmb. Sorry and crucially, why are all of these Modulations received in phase at earth? That's a lot I'd have to I'm I'm just gonna go to you and incredibly I'm going to be able to give you an incredibly subspecific Answered based on not being able to fully follow the question But there's a kinematic equivalence the your position in relation to the sky including the galaxy including the cmb all of that There's a kinematic equivalence So uh, I would have to like actually read to get the paper and see exactly you're talking about that seems like way too specific Look, I asked a crazy question. Sorry Austin. Uh, this question is actually they're asking. What's the geocentric explanation? So he's asked they're asking me right like oh, sorry. Yeah He's trying to imply that it's a proof of heliocentrism, and I'm saying What you're talking about the actual changes and how everything comes in phase in relation to the earth and relation to the cmb Etc like there's a kinematic equivalence. So there's nothing that's going to be moving out in space in relation to the earth That's going to be exclusive to heliocentrism If there is some other specific thing that like I'm not understanding about your argument You got to give me a break. I didn't I didn't follow it there, but uh, yeah email me or something I might have missed all the cuss words out of the email or I'm not going to respond All right, uh, let's carry on. Uh, yeah, yeah, keep it kind everybody. That's that's the key You know you catch all those catch all the flies with honey. That's the old saying Guillotine says it's so sad when flat earthers make the same mistakes atheists make by taking the bible to be literal If jesus used metaphors and allegories, why can't the rest of the bible and god bless? Okay, like what I don't I don't really know Practically any flat earthers that say the proof the earth is flat is the bible They found out that the globe is shrouded in lies and deception and that they're lying about the base and then they're like Maybe the bible is viable again That's it. And um, I would say, you know, if you think the creator wrote it or inspired it and claims to have made it And then describes what he made You turn around and say he said here's what I made and how I made it But it's all just not that the opposite is true Whatever bro, you know, you're doing mental gymnastics and I would say if you believe in it You should probably be pretty cautious of doing that if you actually think it's the words of the creator about whatever All right, eddy torres says globetrotter. How is it that 99.9 percent of visible universe is plasma, but the moon is a rock 45 How is it possible the moon's a rock? Well, it's solid. We've landed on it. We have samples of it Um, the craters cast shadows. You see these shadows If it was its own luminary with plasma or whatever you want to call it, it wouldn't have shadows on the crater exactly opposite the sun um Yeah, I don't know what else he wants Actually touching it is probably good proof, but All right Let us carry on then. Let me just stop the old timer there. Um, I am trying to keep this uh, like I said on uh on a good track here. So Uh ambient guitar music says uh question for globe. How is a full moon so bright edge to edge? That was a full moon so bright edge to edge The sun's reflecting off of it What's what's the what's the um, what's the issue there? Yeah, I think that there shouldn't be like an illuminated circle around the edge of the moon if it's just for a sphere reflecting sunlight Well, if you actually Adjust the isos it get a nice clear shot of the moon. It's not overexposed. You will see it's darker on the edges I don't know. I understand. I've seen what he's saying with my naked eye. I don't know that anything I would agree It probably doesn't look much darker, but if you actually adjust brighter properly Yeah, well it looks brighter than it is because it's all blurring together But if you zoom in with a telescope just the iso Got a nice Balance shot of it. You'll see that it's darker around the edges the same thing with the planets I actually asked me that the other day about jupiter But yeah, if you go look at shots of jupiter, they are darker around the edges. Oh, look, it's a cat. Yee-haw I love cats. All right, uh, rudolfo garcia Ask later on says to the moderator. Please don't skip my second question. You read this the first one twice I'm sorry. Uh, I asked a follow-up question on the flat earth model. I'm sorry So we had some speakers that stepped out for a second. There was a few buffering issues So, uh, I might have skipped around a little bit to try to find questions for other speakers. So once again, if I did miss your question Uh, that is my rolling excuse going forward So just to hold on and bear with me rudolfo while I find that follow up Rudolfo asks, do you have a midnight sun in the flat earth model? It looks like you have nights every day in your model Do you deny midnight sun in the south hemisphere? You read this one And he's You know what he missed it. He sent this he sent this later Um, that happens every once in a while. All right, so Now after all that scrolling My finger's gonna be so tired in the morning. I swear. All right Uh, rick rite says globy. Do we see in curved visual space no connecting flat earth to it? Do the textbooks say we see in curved visual space? No, the textbooks don't say that Okay, the fact that point perspective alone disproves that concept We see in straight lines We provably do not Approvably do not so we don't see straight off into the distance. We can't measure things straight. We can't see straight We can't in the foreground. Yeah and like intermediate range intermediate range. What's been proven Just been proven last time for globy Yeah, so the reason tests like the one I showed in the beginning work is because they're Short distances we can see in straight lines. Obviously We tend to build things straight all the time with measurements So not really sure where this crazy talk as we can't see straight lines comes from right x1 coming in for you What's it? Mr. Lollipad says what's it? Can you explain star rotation on a flat earth? Uh, yeah, man, you have a equidistant limit to how far you can see you have a huge like in my opinion like plane r parallel Expansive stars over the earth. So as you approach the edge of that, right? It's going to look like it's dropping down because everything that's going away from you looks like it's going down And so you're going to see it from an angle view and then as it's as it's towards the edge And you have your visual limit You're going to see like it converges like anti corpuscular rays since it's all rotating Anti clockwise counterclockwise You're going to see it do the opposite when you look the opposite way around that convergence point And therefore you would have it in all directions It all is mapped out on this bottle all of it's mapped out There's other explanations that some people resonate with but I think it's just visual It's just how you see it just makes perfect sense and it just matches all evidence So many people can deny Occam's razor says there's two celestial poles because earth's a sphere Now we care about Occam's razor, I guess. So I'm just using your own argument against you Oh, I agree. I agree in that scenario Until you understand that we can't see forever Then Occam's razor sounds better for the globe So I just closed the poll and we'll continue on with our final chats here everybody So the poll for who was the most compelling speaker? For Whitsitt, no doubt we had 54 percent For globey for sure. We have 39 percent and neither I like soy or I only like soy with 6 percent So a thousand of you were able to vote in the poll But less of you were able to hit the like button So what's going on with your fingers everybody? Can you just bring it down and just that would be great You can vote in the polls, but you can't hit that. What's wrong with you guys? Yeah, let's run through these things Let's roll. Oh, I was gonna say I'm keeping you guys on 45 seconds, but there's there's been so many but yeah I am near the bottom now. So Um, let's see crush bandicoot Hey, you know and mock on one of my favorite games How can you say, you know the size of Australia when the government has huge sections fenced off and guarded by the army? Because rabbits and dogs in quotes Is that for me? Yeah, yes. Well, I'm sorry late I wasn't even listening how saying how would you claim to know the distance of Antarctica if the government has huge portions? Uh marked off. Sorry, Austin. It was how can you say, you know the size of Australia? They say that's what I'm asked what I meant when the government has huge sections fenced off and guarded by the army because of rabbits and dogs cartography sailing around it I mean, I'm not familiar with Australia as far as anything being roped off because of dogs So I don't know if that's a trolling comment or not No, I I've I've never heard of that either, but I can imagine it's like crazy. They're my understanding The fact that you think we can't fly over it or sail around it and measure it is up to us Oh, but whenever we go the same distance allegedly, okay, whatever We're going to speed up. All right, because like I said, uh, the globy wanted to get out of here Way earlier and these questions just keep pouring. So I'm bringing the timer down to 25 seconds guys. We're keeping it to the one side Um skid marks McGee says once again Whitsitt claims are not evidence skid marks McGee get yourself some new underwear Wave don't like messing with those skid marks. Um, mr. Lollipad says whitsitt Why does it get colder the higher up we go in altitude? Since we are getting closer to the sun shouldn't it get warmer on flat earth 25 No, you could have the same exact answer that there's less heat transfer with less air And it could just be in a different medium above you even like outside different layers of containment or anything So it's the same answer As your model because it's basic physics, right? So yeah, there's less heat transfer with less of a medium All right next one mick chun says prove the image behind you globy is real and not CGI or composite 25 seconds I can't do that in 25 seconds. Um, but sorry about it. It's real All right, did I miss my chat's getting read july 8th sunlight? No, he no. Yeah, you did miss it twice. You did miss it. You did was stop messing with me I was going to say because No, no, no, he missed. Yeah, his answer was just that the population lives in in a smaller area on the globe Okay, I was going to say because uh, yeah, there are there are sometimes so many questions and uh, I have asked a lot Of super chats in my time here with modern day debates sometimes and I'll just kind of All right, mr. B asks so no actual formula then grab it and ready to post on next super chat Okay Not sure what that's in reference to it might have been something we were talking about earlier, but uh, you know Where to find our speakers jackson hemmer says wits it if I fly my drone in the air and show you the curve and show You how objects appear beyond the curve will you concede 25 seconds? Hey So that's gonna be him. He's asking if he showed you his drone wits it Uh, I was showing the curve, uh, would you concede? Concede what no, I'm not gonna concede that lenses in pose curvature when I have high optical balloons way higher than a drone so What I concede what that lens and pose curvature and that the out the horizon rose with the drone Sure, I can see that You by the way, the answer is for the globe that perspective rises the horizon up Even though it's going down away from you and half the globers don't know they have to say that the smart ones do And they openly do a lot of them say no, uh, it's like no It absolutely does rise with you because of perspective perspective exists on the globe also So you guys can John Smith says but it also drops John Smith coming in says maybe modern day debate could have gloves off debates on occasion where both debaters and Moderator agree to read all super chats could be extra entertaining Uh, I usually read almost all of them even the extra spicy ones except for the There was one there was one wasn't there with it that I was like and you saw it too We just can't yeah, no, it's like trying to get the channel struck. I don't know about any more Yeah, yeah, let's not do that. Uh, it's no fun Jackson Hemmer says I love modern day debate, but every time we have a debate on this topic We go off the rails. It's a slap in the face of my entire career I'm an astro a photographer and I use the earth's curve all the time You objectively do not use the earth's curvature to take pictures of the sky So that's just ridiculous if you want to talk about an equatorial mount You haven't understood how that doesn't prove the earth is curving Removing and I encourage you to look into it my brother, but you can 100 look at the sky with astrophotography without Counting for earth being a ball. That's insane to say something Scared to ask why you would have to equatorially Align in the southern hemisphere on a flat earth All right, that's it. We've already talked about azimuthal grid is how you made all the measurements And that's what he would be talking about is like, oh, well, I can look at the relative angles and know where I'm at And I assume for the curvature is like no, we just talk about the logarithmic relationship on a plane Let's carry out Benjamin Scott since my question was meant misunderstood. What's it? Why on July 8th is 95 of the population in sunlight when experimentation has shown this is impossible He's asking me that question. Yes. Yes Okay Okay, it's not impossible at all if the vast majority of the world's population lives in the north You have a local light source over a plane. It can be completely 100 replicated If you're asking me To say why it can't work on a globe. I would say it's the physical geometric distribution of the light Not the actual people that see it I don't know if he's trying to get me to answer why it doesn't work on a globe or why it wouldn't work On a fighter either way. I did but let's go. All right. Let's continue any torus. I did ask your question A couple of them. We're just waiting for you guys to get down the list here. So Sorry, if you got impatient and you were asking me in the live chat, but we got there I killed Earl asks. I don't know where that equation came from but the r slash times r plus h equals sign Times angle the radius is different at the equator Then at the poles. So the radius in the paper is incorrect in either direction Any thoughts Well, who who is it? Who is it for? They're saying I don't know this uh, this is from iKillDurall. They said I don't know where that equation came from But uh r slash bracket r plus h bracket equals sin plus angle bracket Okay, just reading it long form there any thoughts. What does it say after that? It says something about it being different uh equatorial and at the poles Yeah, the radius is different at the okay at the poles. So the radius in the paper is incorrect Okay, it was about when I yeah when I showed that that you can use the angular resolution limit of the i to get Alleged radius of 3958.8 in their stand But the distance at the radius is different and the poles in the equator and I'm like, what is it different 13 miles 13 miles different that wouldn't change the curvature rate out of 4,000 miles anyway that wouldn't change this at all the angular resolution limit reverse engineer gets you the mean radius of the earth Which is 3958.8 All right Let's carry on Ian McKenna says please discuss the haversine formula in mathematic terms Thanks by 25 seconds Haversine Haversine haversine haversine Oh, what was the question? Sorry. What was it? Sumi's asking you Explain that I have a sign formula Yes, it actually does it actually falls apart uh on non-local application And again, you could just flip it over with the curvature of the of the sky All just reverse engineered from the eye. It's very simple reverse engineered. I mean you can plug into gps coordinates and That's how we made the globe model my brother and pop out the radius number That's how we made the hammer. We're at time there asks america lend it or sorry. They're Making a declaration, but I'll read it jackson hammer. Thanks for your third super chat says america landed on the moon yesterday Go americans. By the way, this proves the earth is round. We can see it Well, thanks for that. We're not going to go down that one Because we will get you guys back For that exact thing. I'm sure that'd be something we can entertain run boston bear asks What's it? Will you please explain how we see in straight lines close? And what happens at great distances 25 seconds? Yeah, so whenever we see closer we can use euclidean geometry with like decent reliability But as we get closer and closer To the convergence or the limit of our perspective where things begin to converge the distance What happens is things from the top converge down things from the bottom converge up and From the sides converge into that vanishing point in front of you So it just starts to curve and compress into the distance has been proven by many different universities by By super advanced robotics updating their learning methods. So until you get out to the extremities That's when it becomes more of a curved logarithmic function It begins to compress into each other at the edge of your visual limit Which is exactly how we measure this guy for all recorded history All right Oh, let's see. I have one other message about a miss super chat So I'll ask this one that I got here from the same person and then we'll dig around Run boston bear says what's it? Will you please explain how we see? Just read that Eric, I'm going to look for that other one though One guys that you asked about in the super in the live chat Eric waters says if the earth isn't rotating, why does the sun set? So if the earth isn't rotating, why is the sun set? That's for you. What's it 25 seconds? Because it gets so far away that you can no longer see same thing. They actually again Just hijacked the fact we can't see forever said that we can't see forever And then said the reason that we don't see forever is because the earth is curving the angle resolution limit of the I once again was reverse engineered to give you the radius value If you take the angular resolution angle of the I you get exactly 3,958.8 mile radius If you assume that the earth is a ball that's blocking you they reversed how far you can see It just gets it goes too far away into the distance And then you say if it's not spinning because the sun is moving instead of the earth moving Which is what we actually experience the sunset time change depending on atmospheric conditions It does sometimes It does Even your model claims it that's amazing. We can predict the sunset 10 years from now on a certain day. No, your model claims it changed for all fellas It's called it's called a astronomical refraction up to 0.5 degree lift 0.5 that has nothing to do with what i'm talking about Yes, your model claims the sun is already underneath the earth when you see it setting and it changes how much it gets Lifted up talking about refraction. Okay. Yeah, so that would change the sunset time. Yeah, would it Would it would a would a thick atmosphere cause the sun to set way sooner than a non-thick I know you added way sooner to it in a desperate attempt to cope. So let's move on I'm not coping with anything There would be no way to predict the sunset next week, let alone 10 years from now on a flat earth That's incorrect. We have an azimuthal grid of vision. So we have a personal celestial sphere So we know what the weather is doing 10 years from now. We have an equidistant limit to our perspective. It would be very consistent Oh, very good. What's that limit again? I forget roughly 4,000 miles 4,000 miles. Yeah, interesting Okay, how you know brother Well reverse engineer the eye That's what you did your model is a belief system reverse engineering how we see it's a fact Sure, it is. So I know it must be a rough tough pill to swallow man. All right. So we're very tough to swallow before we spiral completely so Yeah, the question that I was accused of missing there from run Boston bear because we've been a little bit all over the map Just trying to like I say filling questions depending on where people are But we did ask the question about the salad earlier and had some Fun with that. So we'll carry on run Boston bear If you missed it go on back and check it out Padme said we missed the one on flat earth where countries and areas would be able to see an eclipse at the same time It doesn't match reality explain without the sophistry I feel like we did this one as well But they said right now in the live chat that we missed it. So if you want to go Is it man? Can you something? Sorry, man? They're coming at me in the comments too. What was it? What was it? Yeah, yeah, you could always come in with some of the comments pad made the cat says on a flat earth More countries and areas would be able to see an eclipse at the same time It doesn't match reality explain without the sophistry 25 seconds We have a visual limit to how far we can see in each direction. It's equidistant It's the azimuthal grid that we use to measure the sky the globe claims the same exact measurements in the same exact Dome grid they claim that the reason that it cuts office because the earth is curving as opposed to just having a visual limit So no, you would not be able to see it forever. It's just a baseless claim It's called a strawman fallacy because you're coping that you can't say the earth's not flat unless you make up Some ridiculous model and then add Euclidean trig to perspective lines that can see forever and then claim flat earth isn't possible We are out of time and what we shall do is if you guys would like Would you like a minute or two to do your closing? Up to him, man. I think we've heard everything and we even need closings. Maybe so. Yeah, we need a minute closing You go first That's cool. Yeah, yeah, I like doing the I went first so he should go I you know, I like doing that and I got called out for that in texas for Doing it that style, but yeah, well flipping it around I did yes, and I think that's cool So globy one minute on the floor if you don't mind your closing thoughts on our discussion tonight and where everybody can find you Sure, uh, you can find me here and on tiktok same thing globing flow phase um One minute conclusion. I so I think we've determined a you can't measure flat earth. It's never been done We claim it's plain surveying measures flat earth I keep asking for a measurement of flat earth can't find one So so yeah, we can measure curved earth Right, we we can measure earth's rotation right and the refutations that come from flat earth are always these Random claims of a paper that can't be found or that don't reference the thing we've referenced And that supposedly debunks everything that that's been done in science Uh random claims that our site is limited to 4 000 miles with no backup to that either It's just it's a bunch of random claims that that quite frankly are excuses um Southern celestial poles The sunset angles as we went over earlier All those things are just so simple and they only work on a globe Not to mention actual earth's measurements as I showed in the beginning so again, um Yeah, I think the flat earth just has denial of globe. They don't never have any flat earth proof Which is fine. I get it. You're trying to falsify the model, but Um, I guess I'll just keep waiting for that flat earth proof All right. Well, thank you globy mcglobe base for being here at modern day debate We appreciate you hanging out and having this discussion and this debate With austin. What's it austin one minute on the floor? It's all yours So we talked about how actually the globe earth is claiming that the opposite of everything we experience is true it has the burden of proof And uh can't instantiate that it's rotating or that it's wobbling or that it's orbiting and actually all have In its points of effect that we're in the center of the universe And they claim it's just an illusion and that the earth looks like it's flat And that's just an illusion and that the sun looks like it's moving but that's just an illusion We covered how they actually just reverse engineered the eye the angular resolution limit of the eye will give you the supposed radius of this globe What a coincidence the world's craziest coincidence ever that their limit to your eye will give you 3958.8 mile radius If you assume it's actually curvature of the earth blocking how far you can see It's such a coincidence that it give you that exact value We did go over flat earth measurements. We went over specular reflections. They were deflected We showed that you can do all astronomical observations and positions. We have an entire working flat earth model We found out they hijacked how we see And then they claimed that the earth is a sphere because we actually can't see forever And that's the biggest key to all of this and once you figure that out you realize That's how we made the globe in the first place. Welcome to flutter All right Well, thank you to both of our speakers for being here tonight at modern day debate Big round of virtual applause if you haven't already Smacked the like button around we'd appreciate that if you're hanging out in the live chat And uh, we're gonna let our speakers go because we went a little bit long So, uh, I'll I'll put on some tunes where I scream at you and I'll let these fellas go So thanks for coming out to modern day debate. 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