From Las Vegas, it's theCUBE. Covering VMworld 2018. Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem partners. Good morning from day three of theCUBE's coverage of VMworld 2018 from the Mandalay Bay Las Vegas. I'm Lisa Martin and I'm joined by my co-host, Justin Warren. Good morning, Justin. Good morning, Lisa. We're excited to welcome to the first time to theCUBE Justi Rothstein, co-founder and CTO of ExtraHop. Justi, it's nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, Lisa. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. So ExtraHop, you guys are up in Seattle. You are one of Seattle's sunny Seattle. So one of the best companies up there to work for. Tell us about ExtraHop. What do you guys do in the software space? Great. Well, ExtraHop does network traffic analysis. And that can be applied to both performance optimization as well as cybersecurity. Now I'm not unbiased, but what I would tell you is that ExtraHop extracts value from the wire data better than anybody else in the world. And that's our fundamental belief. We believe that if you can extract value from that wire data and insights and apply in real time analytics and machine learning, then this can be applied to a variety of use cases, as I said. That's quite interesting. Some of the use cases we were talking about are off camera. So some of the things around micro segmentation, particularly for security as you mentioned, is really important. And also in software defined networking. So the fact that you are software and software defined networking, we've had a few guests on theCUBE so far over the last couple of days. That's something which is really experiencing a lot of growth. We have VMware who's talking about their NSX software defined networking. So maybe you could give us a bit of a detail on how ExtraHop helps in those situations. Well, I'm paying a lot of attention to VMware's vision and kind of the journey of NSX and really software defined everything as well as, and with NSX, you see a lot of applications towards security, kind of a zero trust, least privileged model, which I think is very exciting and there are some great trends around that. But as we've also seen, it's difficult to execute. It's difficult to execute to build the policies such that they maybe don't break. From my perspective, a product like ExtraHop, a solution like ExtraHop, we work great with software defined environments first because they enable the type of visibility that we offer in that you can tap traffic from a variety of locations for the purposes of analysis. If left to its own devices, I think these increased layers of abstraction and increased kind of policy frameworks have the potential to introduce complexity and to limit visibility. And this is where solutions like ExtraHop can provide a great deal of value. And we apply to both your traditional on-prem environments as well as these hybrid and even public cloud environments. So the ability to get visibility across a wide range of environments, really pervasively in the hybrid enterprise is, I think, a big value that we offer. You know, we're at VMworld and on day one on Monday, Pat Gelsinger talked about the average enterprise has eight, eight or nine clouds. I heard somebody the other day say that they had four and a half clouds. I didn't know you could have a half a cloud, but you can. So multi-cloud, a big theme here, that's more kind of the vision and the direction that VMworld's going to go into. But to your point, customers are living in this world. It's not about embracing it, they're in it. But that also, I think by default, that can create silos that enterprises need to understand to wrap their heads around. To your point, they have to have visibility because the data is the power and the currency only if you can have visibility into it and actually extract insights and take action. Absolutely. X-Rap customers are primarily large enterprises and carriers. And every single one of them is somewhere on their own cloud journey. You know, maybe they're just beginning it, maybe they're quite mature, maybe they're doing a lot of, you know, data center consolidation or some amount of workload migration to public cloud. No matter where they are in that journey, they require visibility into those environments. And I think it's extremely important that they have the same level of visibility that they're accustomed to in their on-prem environments with their traditional workloads, as well as any sort of born in the cloud workloads. But I want to stress it's visibility for its own sake isn't very useful. Organizations are drowning in data. You can drown in visibility. So for us that the real trick is to extract insights and bring them to your attention. And that's where we've been investing in data science and machine learning for about four and a half to five years. And this is before it became trendy as it is today. For power like that called it. There's so much ML washing.  A lot of it's exaggerated. But what I'll say for extra up is that of course ours is real and we've been investing in this for years. And our vision was that we had this unbelievable amount of data. You know, when you're looking at the wire data, you're not just drinking from the fire hose here. You're drinking from Niagara Falls. And you have all of this data. And then with machine learning, you need to perform feature extraction on the data. That's essentially what data science teams are very good at. And then build the ML models.  We actually want to bring things to your attention so that we can say, hey, Lisa, you know, look over here. There's something unusual happening here. Or in many cases, there's a potential threat or there's suspicious behavior, an indicator of compromise. And that's where that sort of machine learning, I believe is the kind of the, well certainly the current horizon or the state of the art for cybersecurity. And it's extremely important. Jesse, can you give us an example of one of your enterprise customers and how they've used extra hot to manage that complexity, that Lisa was talking about, that visibility that they need to get through all the different layers of abstraction. And maybe if there's one, an example of how they've done some cybersecurity thing, particularly around that machine learning of detecting an anomaly that they need to deal with. Sure, I mean, I can think of a lot. One customer in mind, and unfortunately, I can't actually name them as a very large retail customer. And what I love about them is they actually have XTRAP deployed at thousands of retail sites as well as their data centers and distribution centers. And not only does XTRAP give them visibility into the logistics operations, and they've used XTRAP to detect performance degradations and things like that that were preventing them from, literally preventing the trucks from kind of rolling out. But they're also starting to use XTRAP more and more to monitor what's going on at the retail sites, in particular looking for potential compromises in the point of sale systems. We have another customer that's a large telco carrier and they used XTRAP at one point to actually monitor phone activations. Because this is something that can be frustrating. If you buy a new phone and maybe it's an iPhone and you go to activate it, it has to communicate to all these different servers, it has to perform some sort of activation. And if that process is somehow slow or could take a long time, that's very frustrating to your users and your customers. So they needed the ability to see what was happening and certainly if it was taking longer than it usually does. So that's a very important use case. And then we have a number of customers on the cybersecurity side who are looking for both the ability to detect potential breaches and maybe ransomware infections. But also the ability to investigate them rapidly. And this is extremely important because in cybersecurity, you have a lot of products that are essentially alert cannons. You know, a product that just says, hey, hey, look at this, look at this, look at this. I think we found something. And that just creates noise. That just creates work for cybersecurity teams. So the ability to actually surface high quality anomaly and threats and streamline and even automate the workflows for investigation is super important. It's not just, hey, I think I found something, but hey, let's take a clicker to and investigate what it is so we can make a decision. Does this require immediate action or not? Now, for certain sort of detections, we can actually take an automated response. But there are a variety of detections where you probably want to investigate a little more. Yeah. I also noticed the Purdue Pharma case study on your website. And looking at sort of the, some of the bottom line impacts that your technology is making, where they saved, reduced their data center footprint by 70% and increased app response times by 70%. And we're talking about, you know, pharmaceutical data. You guys are also very big in the healthcare space. So we're talking about literally potentially life-saving situations that need to be acted on immediately. Certainly that can be true. Healthcare, there can be life and death situations and timely access to medical records, to medical data, you know, whether it's a work station inside an exam room or an iPad or something like that can be absolutely critical. You often see a lot of desktop and application virtualization in the healthcare environment, primarily due to the protection of PHI, your personal health information and HIPAA constraints. So very common deployments in those environments and if the logins are slow or if there's an inability to access these records, it can be devastating. So we have a large number of customers who are essentially care providers, hospital chains and such that use X-Trump to ensure that they have timely access to these records. And that's more on the performance side. We also have healthcare customers that have used our ability to detect ransomware infections. Ransomware is just a bit of a plague within healthcare. Unfortunately, that industry vertical has been hit quite hard with those infections and the ability to detect a ransomware infection and perform some sort of immediate quarantining is extremely important. And this is where I think micro segmentation comes into play because as these environments are more and more virtualized, natural micro segmentation can help limit damage to ransomware, but more often than not, these systems and workstations do have access to something like a network drive or a share. But what I like about micro segmentation is the flexibility to configure the policies. So when a ransomware infection is detected, we have the ability to quarantine it and shut it down. And keep in mind that there's defense in depth is kind of a security strategy that we've been employing for decades, literally multiple layers of protection. So there are always protections at your gateway, your firewall, at the perimeter, your NGFW, and there are protections at the endpoint, but if these were 100% effective, we wouldn't have ransomware infections. So unfortunately they're not and we always require that last, and maybe a last line of defense where we examine what's going on in the East West corridor and we look for those potential threats and that sort of suspicious activity or even known behaviors that are known to be bad. Well, Jesse, thanks so much for stopping by theCUBE and sharing with us what extra hop is doing and what differentiates you in the market. We appreciate your time. My pleasure, Lisa. Justin, thank you so much for having me. And we want to thank you for watching theCUBE. I'm Lisa Martin with Justin Moore and Stick Around will be back day three of VMworld 2018 coverage in just a moment.


How does the coronavirus can affect your dropshipping business and what should you do to avoid negative effect for your dropshipping business, negative feedbacks and problematic situations? Hello everybody, in this video I will talk with you about something which is really important to everyone who do dropshipping from China and this is the coronavirus, Chinese virus, how can it affect your dropshipping business, dropshipping store and what should you do to avoid problematic situations? So first of all what is it for those of you who don't know this is a virus in China which affects a lot of people, people don't go to their work in many different cities in China and this affects some of the manufacturers, some of the companies, the shipping companies and everyone who you can get in touch for the dropshipping business. It affects actually everything, shipping times, delays in contact with suppliers, everything that you can think about. So what should you do to avoid problematic situations and keep your store in a good position and still keep going forward and increase your profits and work in the safe method? So the first thing that I would do instead of you is to increase the handling time of all of your products right now. For those of you who still didn't decrease the handling time after the Chinese New Year it's good keep it like this and now something that is really important to say here I wouldn't increase it only now I would also keep it longer after the after you hear that the virus finished. The reason for this is because even after it finished still there will be a huge overload over Chinese's shipping companies, manufacturers and servers. So even after you hear that the virus finished don't run and decrease the handling time too fast make it step by step because again there will be overloads. The second and delays, the second thing here is the communication. If you're losing the messages, the automatic messages to your customers on ebay, on auto-DS, using auto-DS, or even if you do it manually it doesn't matter but after you sell a product it's really important to send to your customer a message which says listen we have delays with the shipping because of the situation in China. Everyone knows about it and everyone will understand it so it's not a problem at all be open with your clients it's really important for the long term even if the client will ask you to cancel the package to cancel the shipping the order it's still not a problem and it's still better than a heavy delay and then get a negative feedback from your client and make them unhappy. Remember customer experience is the most important thing for ebay and for any other actually e-commerce business and same for us we should listen to our customers but we should also tell them what happens and tell them the truth so if the shipping time is longer just notify your clients about this. The third thing that you can do is using templates in your template on ebay you can write there will be delays which this is something which is good I wouldn't do it if I work with non-api because then you cannot do bulk change and change your templates back and another small tip this is the time to try some United States UK or Germany suppliers depends on your country and where you sell now it's a good time because anyway you cannot sell a lot from China so now it's a great time about suppliers which have both warehouses in China and the United States for example usually most of the United States warehouses will still have stocks but these stocks will be also decreased because they cannot get more products from China so ask your supplier about their situation not all of the suppliers are in the same situation I would send an email to your supplier and tell them what to do when they expect to come back to wall and if they have any problems and delays I hope that this video helps you don't forget to subscribe to our youtube channel like this video and ask me in the comment section everything that you want to know about dropshipping e-commerce or anything that will help you with your dropshipping business to succeed more and make more profits I wish you a lot of sales I hope that this situation will be finished fast and for now as I said try new things and increase your dropshipping business bye


I'm sorry if I'm posting a day late. My car got towed because my meter expired.  A book's a pretty thing. That much is sure. Be it leather bound or paperback. The measure of its shape, its sleek contour, and when it's with some friends on shelf or stack, the neatness of the spines all in a row. It speaks to some deep love of sorting stuff. And symbolism. Well, I'm sure you know that this bound paper is metaphor enough for knowledge, research, science, poetry, civilization, if you're of the mind, that language is what forms society. You're watching Thunk, and so I think you'll find are really good libraries very near to being Holy Ground, a reverent place. The one in Cambridge brought me close to tears. And even so, I think we have to face some ugly truths about the written word, and the culture that you'll likely see in comments left below by fellow nerds who find that what I say is heresy. In truth, this isn't more than ink and wood. No magic exists anywhere inside. It's true the ideas may be understood, but who cares in what format they reside? Project Gutenberg's a click away. A Google search is all you ever need to access every word this book might say. And why should I give up my hands to read? I've got a lot of work I need to do, and audible subscriptions aren't too bad. This thing is inefficient, bulky too, when you can fit all this on one iPad. But if I were to set this wood aflame, now I bet I've got some worried looks. The things I've said are still true, all the same. Nothing will be lost but one old book. The words inside are replicated here. Only this copy will go up in smoke. The world will always have a nice Shakespeare, and though it would give some of you a stroke, this object's just a thing. Like every one of these little tachkis behind me. It's mass produced, most likely it was done in China or some other such country, for pennies worth of labor just like those. You wouldn't belly ache about this toy if burned or trashed or otherwise disposed. So why should books be sinful to destroy? The origins of bookish sacredness of the modern form, where everything that's printed on some paper such as this is worthy of both love and worshiping, is detailed in this book. Please check the link. Deidre Lynch's loving literature. It started much later than you might think. 18th century entrepreneurs who wanted to sell books to one and all, spurred onward by the new public domain began to push in ads which you might call romantic love for classics. The disdain of academic readers at the time suggested that a passion of this sort would overtake the honing of the mind to tell good lit from bad. It would in short make readers fans instead of critics. Well, you can see which of those views won out. The disdain of a cannon made to sell has colored what reading is about. But Book of the Month still has a role to play. In the United States post World War II, to sell more books, BOTM would say, it doesn't matter what you read. If you like classics, romance, or technology, then you're a reader. That is just your spark. And for an inexpensive monthly fee, we'll happily supply you with that mark of breeding, smarts, and really the whole brand. Fill up some shelves and now that's who you are. Your own identity. Won't that be grand? Now please sign here and please do press down hard. And so today there is this meme, you know, that hoarding isn't hoarding if it's books. That shelves of objects, more or less for show, should be exempt from condos prying hooks. We think of them as somehow more than things, though they qualify in every way. It's hard to grasp that we're still pulled by strings from ages past, designed to make us pay our hard-earned cash for paper with some marks. No less commercial than a cell phone case. The words themselves might scribe upon our hearts, in which our minds and so on. But to face the nerd rage which would burn me, to burn this. One might think on the Zen cone of Shouju, who when handed the great tome of his old master's teachings, and his master's too, bearing in mind that things are our undoing. He burned the book right there, hand never swaying. His master then cried out, what are you doing? To which Shouju replied, what are you saying? Of course it's not like readings somehow wrong. No one will fault you for your bookish taste. It's nice to have some peers to get along with those whose love is similarly placed. But ponder from whence you get that esteem. Consumerism's very much to blame for why a burning book might make you scream, but shrug if it's a kindle set of flame. The concepts carried here are good to know, but is this bookish holiness debunked? Please leave a comment in the box below, and if you will, let me know what you think. Thank you very much for watching here. Please don't forget to blahblah sub and share, and don't stop thunkin'.


Uniqlo has been good to me and there's a lot of pieces I tend to gravitate back towards and this is that video Let's get into it Okay, so without a doubt my most worn item is definitely this sling bag right here This is the block tech shoulder bag and this piece has just been there for me. Just take a look at the design It's as simple as it gets with a ton of practicality and the block tech technology makes these water repellents Although the water doesn't beat as much as it used to this still keeps everything inside dry Which is still cool with me and that's just kind of how it goes with DWR coatings and all that You know as a guy that lives in a big city security matters a lot holding items that I buy matters a lot And so with that zipper enclosure quick access pocket for small items like my hand sanitizer and a third axis stabilizer strap This is definitely the go-to bag for city dwellers I do have a tan version cinch bag that I also wear a lot and you know It's in a different colorway and all that there is a black one as well if you want a similar look But the piece just isn't water repellents like the block tech shoulder bag and plus there's not really a zipper It's a cinch thing. So it's not really as secure But it looks really cool and since they don't sell them at the moment You can find them second hand which I've been able to find a few the next up we have the Jersey shirt jackets and a similar version from the women's section So the one from the men's section has your normal cuts while the women's section comes cropped So depending on the situation I wear these at different times either way They both have a minimal look with a simple collar And y'all just know how much I love these types of shirts and they are both in the navy color way You know black is always the go-to for sure, but I just wanted to switch it up navy is a color I don't have too much in my wardrobe And I do like the subtle color difference on a fit rather than being uniformly black and for the women's one I did get it in a size large and the regular men's version is in a size medium as much as I love a Wild over shirt. You just can't beat the simple minimal one Okay, so let's definitely talk about my trench coats from them now So if you guys have seen my shorts you guys would know I already talked about this gray one from Uniqlo This is definitely my most worn out of all three of them This is just from the regular Uniqlo you spring summer 2021 and also this plus J Jill's Sander collaboration from last year as well and honestly these three trench coats are awesome They all come in different lengths and different shades of gray or black I typically wear the gray one the most as I find it the most versatile and a more refreshing garment compared to an all-black one Which is still great, of course I just like the fact that when I'm super lazy I just throw on an all-black base and then this gray trench coat And it actually looks like I tried the plus J one is more so for winter because it is padded So there's extra insulation know for a little bit more warmth and it also feels very premium coming from the design of Jill Sander And it's all black one right here is more so for content creation You know if I need a typical black coats for a certain kind of fit But if I wasn't a creator I would honestly just stick with the plus J one and then the gray trench coats And that's all I would really need because they're so reliable for basically every season Just as reliable as my new facial cleanser from Mallon and gets the sponsor of today's video You see Mallon and gets has always been about simplicity. Just take a look at the packaging But also the entire process of skin care I've tried a lot of other skin care products that are great But there's a lot of steps in the process this one is as simple as it gets I just have to lather a small amount massage it onto my skin and rinse That's it And then of course finish with my own moisturizer So this facial cleanser starts off as a cream and then foams up very nicely while lifting up dirt and excess oil Or even makeup and it leaves my skin hydrated and supple. I like that word supple Anyways, I can always appreciate a scentless product It's cruelty free and tested by dermatologists and they cover all sorts of hygiene from hair to deodorant or even a candle for your home I might have to check out that dark rum candle scent myself if that sounds great to you And you want to pick some up definitely click that link in the description I've been using it and enjoying it myself along with their other products and thank you Mallon and gets for sponsoring this video Let's get back to it Move this down a little bit. So up next we have the Mandarin collar shirt I'm definitely obsessed with these kind of button-up shirts and they are very underrated as well So a Mandarin collar is like your normal colored shirts, but there's no standing collar It just wraps around your neck this immediately leans towards Asian street wear of course the Mandarin collar originates from Asian cultures I've got black blue white and brown from the plus j collection and just the normal unicolor you collection And I just love how these pieces can be layered and I love how nice of a switch up it is to the standard collar dress shirt Of course, this type of shirt doesn't replace a stand-up collar shirt But in most situations it does just not in business situations I'd say but I guess that's up to you and how confident you are it pairs perfectly with the coats and honestly you can wear with Cargo pants you can wear with trousers you name it you're not really limited to just dress pants with these types of shirts All right, so now we have the basic hoodie and so on the side they call this one their dark brown hoodie and You know, I guess but it's definitely not that type of color It's more of a plum purplish color a little bit of brown a little bit of purple and this one is oversized There's a good way to it's which makes it feel much more premium super nice and cozy There's almost a weathered look to it Which provides a cool look rather than being just a simple solid color now I wore this one all the time whenever I'd go walk my dog It layers nicely and it can hold up on its own just as the main star of a fit and because there's a great undertone to this piece I like styling with other great undertone pieces or great pieces as well They just all kind of complements each other and it really looks cool Okay, so y'all know what I'm gonna talk about next it's the oversized errors and t-shirts I have them in a ton of colorways But my most worn are definitely the white and black pieces of course the blue one as well And I have the salmon colorway the brown one the purple I wear them all pretty often and at $20 for a shirts You really can't beat that price for the technology that fits basically everything about it at the time They were $15, but you know inflation So Erasm is a technology that allows for breathability quick drying and prevents odor like at that price It's got to be the best shirt of all time and for those of you guys about to ask I am five foot seven around 160 pounds and I do get a size medium And it fits perfectly on me because it naturally has a shorter hem to it So it's great for shorter dudes like me and as soon as it gets old or stains I just wear them as a lounging shirts and if you're really old school like my parents They would use those types of shirts after it gets even more dirty as a lounging shirt They just use as a rag. I mean, there's just a lot to love about this shirt It's affordable and very practical go pick up some of these if you haven't already now keeping with the Erasm thing We have the Erasm tank tops get all the benefits of Erasm technology, but in a tank top form So this was great for the summertime. This is how I survived the summer out here in New York super humid and gross But yeah tank tops They always look great paired with a camp college shirts or a very light over shirts because the Erasm technology allows for breathability Plus you have more skin exposed in your collar area to showcase your necklace You have more breathability in the pits and I don't think they sell these at the moment But they do have a ribbed version honestly any ribbed tank is totally suitable This one is from fruit of the loom, but you guys spend your money however you want to spend it Alright, so next two pieces I wear lots are these stripes tees right here So this one I just picked up recently from the spring summer collection This one I got from last year. They're both just striped shirts striped patterns in general are very versatile You would think they don't pair well with other graphics or other patterns But they actually do they're more of a neutral pattern And this one has big stripes with a lighter color scheme And then this one is a more earth tone cream and brown type of color scheme with thinner stripes So now that we move from Erasm, let's talk about heat tech So heat tech is basically the opposite of Erasm. It's more so for the fall and winter time colder months I wear their heat tech pieces a ton. This one is their regular heat tech long sleeve Super cozy warm and this is in a more burgundy color way And then I also have two more heat tech long sleeve So I just wear them as an underlayer piece whenever I wear them with a hoodie This is like when it's super cold And if I really want to top it off this heat tech scarf from the plus j collection keeps me super warm What I love about it is there's black on one side brown on the other So I can choose which side I want to showcase or I can layer it up like this and mix and match So it shows black and brown, which is really really cool super cozy super warm I know my dog fur is all over on this But yeah, I definitely recommend these types of scarves basically get two scarves for the price of one And those are my most worn pieces from Uniqlo. These are all pieces I bought with my own money Okay, Uniqlo. I'd be happy to work with you. 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On Wednesday, as part of the Hispanic Heritage Month celebration at the stadium, Glaber Torres made a $30,000 donation to the I Love Venezuela Foundation. Prior to a pregame ceremony at home plate, he and a special guest spoke with Justin Shackle. I'm with the Yankee Second Basement and Proud Venezuelan Glaber Torres, as well as Carmen Chumachero, who is the president of the I Love Venezuela Foundation. It's a group that's designed to create organizations who help bring social transformation to the country of Venezuela. And Glaber has generously donated a check to this group here for $30,000. So Glaber, I ask you first, how did you connect with the I Love Venezuela Foundation? I know the foundation from Venezuela, they worked really hard from years ago. My agent, with Santi, we connect together. We got a couple meetings. The thing they do for the country is really amazing. It's not just a sport, it's about all the country. I mean, the people need help. All the foundation bring everything they can need. I mean, as a player, growing up in Venezuela, we know how difficult is the situation there. So if I got opportunity to help and bring everything to there, I always available to do everything for my country. I know I introduced you as Carmen. Your friends call you Santi, I know Glaber called you Santi here. What does it mean to have someone like Glaber Torres stand with I Love Venezuela? For us, thank you very much. You have no idea what that amount can make in our countries. I go myself, I've been 28 times to see that the donations are giving to good use. So for us, it's another person believing in us. So we value that trust and I told him I'm going to Venezuela in 10 days and you're going to see what your donation is going to do there. So we're very thankful. Very thankful. For our viewers at home, how could they get involved if they want to help and donate? It's ILoveVenezuelaFoundation.org And in Instagram, it's ILoveVenezuelaFoundation. You can contact us there and we do events also in the US to gather funds to go to Venezuela so you can help us any way you want.


This 10th year of Daily Tech News show is made possible by its listeners thanks to all of you including Andrew Bradley, Dale Mulcahy and Matt Zaglin. Coming up on DTDS using brain scans to settle trademark disputes, a US Supreme Court case that could stop you from liking Reddit posts, and Andrew Heaton let AI models do an episode of his podcast. Talk about how it went. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, February 13th, Gallentine's Day 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm the show's producer, Roger J. And we are very pleased to have the host of the political orphanage with us today. Andrew Heaton, welcome to the show. Hello. Delighted to be here. I'm coming from Edinburgh, Scotland. How is Edinburgh right now? It's really nice. We actually had the sun today. It was cool but sunny, which is my favorite weather, as opposed to foreboding and brooding, which is what they prefer during winter. So it was very nice. Yeah, so very, very unscotland-like in many ways. It was scotland-like today. It was very nearly Ireland. It was like Scotland plus hope. All right, let's start with the quick hits. Germany's Deutsche Telekom, France's Orange, Spain's Telefonica, and the UK's Vodafone previously proposed creating a joint venture to operate across operator ad targeting infrastructure focused on first-party data. The European Commission Antitrust Division ruled that this venture did not spark competition concerns, giving it the green light to proceed. The carriers say that this ad tech infrastructure will require explicit consent from subscribers to use personal data. The European Commission also said even as it cleared the venture to proceed, data protection rules are fully applicable. They didn't suspend them somehow. Opera posted a demo video showing a chat GPT-powered sidebar tool integrated into the browser. So yes, they are going to put it in Opera. The demo showed it generating a bulleted summary of a web page. This shortened feature is going to launch in browsers very soon, they say. Opera also said it's working on AI-powered features to augment browsing with plans to add popular AI-generated content services to the sidebar. So things are coming is how I interpret all of that. Microsoft began rolling out access to its stuff on the waitlist for the new Bing with chat GPT integration. Currently, Microsoft limited the rollout to desktop Bing, saying they don't have their mobile experience quite ready just yet. The security camera company Arlo had previously announced that its end of life policy will go into effect on January 1st, 2023, which would result in out of support cameras losing access to free 7-day cloud storage of camera recordings. The first model will go end of life on April 1st. CEO Matthew McCray announced on Twitter that Arlo will not remove free storage for any existing customers and will extend the end of life dates of further year. McCray also committed to providing security updates until 2026. Arlo previously announced it would end other features for older cameras including email notifications and E-911 emergency calling. So it's still unclear if these were extended as well. The VR headset maker Bigscreen announced the Beyond. It is a PC-only headset with two 5K 90Hz OLED displays and weighs just less than six ounces. How did the company get the weight down? Well, dieting, exercise and it doesn't contain knobs for fittings or diopters instead offering custom fits through a face scan. So you do that on your iPhone and then you use custom prescription lenses in the headset. It also uses SteamVR base stations for tracking. So that puts a lot of stuff outside the headset as well. And it requires an optional audio strap for built-in headphones. It does not come with controllers but works with anything supported on SteamVR. And if you're interested after knowing all of those things that you have to take advantage of, it's available for pre-order now for $999 shipping to the United States in Q3 and Canada and Europe in Q4. According to a study by Marketplace Pulse, Amazon's average cut on each merchant sale surpassed 50% for the first time in 2022. This included Amazon's sale commission as well as optional logistics servers and advertising on Amazon itself. Marketplace Pulse began sampling seller transactions back in 2016, so it's been doing it for a while. Previously found that while sellers paid more to Amazon per transaction each year, this was largely offset by new customers and strong annual sales increases. However, 2022 saw Amazon's slowest ever sales growth. They're just taking a lot more money. What's unusual about that? Alright, let's talk about trademark cases. Tech may be able to help determine them in a way that involves scanning your brain.  You have to prove in court that two brands would confuse a reasonable person, but there's no metric standard reasonable person. Some cases are pretty obvious. I can call my laundry detergent Linux because no one is likely to confuse laundry detergent with the operating system Linux. But I can't call my computer company Microsoft since people might think I mean the Microsoft started by Bill Gates. I have to pick a different name if I have a computer company. There are, however, edge cases. One of the most famous Apple put out a music product called Apple Music. And even just before that iTunes and there was a record company started by the Beatles called Apple. That one went back and forth for decades. Apple ended up finally winning in the end. A judge has decided has to decide in these cases based on the evidence. But the evidence is usually really biased. Plaintiffs surveys are the most common way. And they always lean one way or another. Plaintiffs surveys always find there's confusion. Defended surveys never find confusion. A 2019 paper from the Georgia Law Review found that just subtle changes to wording in these surveys can significantly impact responses. So there's no standard for the survey. But perhaps there is a better way involving brains. Yeah, marketing professor at the University of Virginia, Zihao Zhang, wrote a piece in the conversation describing why he decided to try scanning the brain to look for evidence of trademark confusion. Zhang published his team's finding in a paper in the journal Science Advances. They relied on an effect called petition suppression where brain response becomes weaker the more times it responds to the same thing. Basically tuning things out. They showed subjects, pairs of images from supposedly infringing brands. And if they were perceived as similar, the response to the second one should be weaker. So Tom, what did they find? Yeah, they compared the MRI results to three surveys. They had one that favored the plaintiff, one that favored the defendant, and then one that was fairly neutral. And Zhang found brain-based measures reliably matched the most neutral survey results. They were able to tell pretty well when there was confusion and when there wasn't. As stated in the paper, this could quote, inform the reasonable person test of trademark infringement. Now, the researcher's caution, this is not the final word. There's lots of factors that go into trademark infringement. A judge would use this as one factor to determine if there was brand confusion. At least they could. Heaton, I know you're the son of a judge. How does this idea of just doing a quick MRI on a few people to solve a trademark case strike you? This strikes me as a kind of boring sequel to Minority Report where they're using this technology in order to assuage trademark disputes. I'm all in favor of it. I think it'd be lots of fun, but I'm curious as to how they're going to wheel it into the courtroom. It seems like pretty big equipment. I guess they'd have to do an order to say like, okay, there must be an association that will go and test a random sample of people, measure their brains, and see what the confusion rating is, but that sounds expensive. I would think that it would wind up being kind of similar to the way the surveys you mentioned are right now, where the defense and the prosecutors would hire teams to go do it. Hopefully the technology would allow them to do it in such a way that it's less biased and less easy to tinker with. I don't know because it probably depends on how they set up that test, but I would assume that something that will wind up coming out of the pocket of the defense of the legal teams themselves. Yeah, who pays for it is going to be the legal teams and then it becomes questionable. Are you getting unbiased results unless we develop an industry where there's independent MRI scanning people? I guess if we started using this for other tests of a reasonable person, there's lots of examples of a reasonable person. If you could scan the brain and be able to independently verify, like, yeah, no, they think that's the same thing. If you could use that in other situations, then maybe that causes an industry to spring up. It could be. Let us hope that we don't suddenly combine the warm and cuddliness of lawyers with the pricing mechanisms of the health insurance industry. That would be, I think, a really met confluence of factors to go into effect, but it could be. Yeah. One of the ideas they brought up in this paper was negligence cases or obscenity cases. Is this offensive to the community kind of cases? You could, again, show people a scan and know what the brain looks like when it's offended, which sounds silly, but you could do that. And then see if these things are considered obscene or not with a more objective view. So it would kind of be like scientifically verifying the, I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it. Like, we'd be able to have an actual MRI litmus test if he saw porn. Like, that's for sure he's not lying. Or he saw offensive porn. Right, yeah. More particularly, yeah, yeah. Okay. As opposed to innocuous porn. Yeah, and we could define a new category with that. Not going to touch that one. The U.S. Supreme Court is hearing two cases soon that could impact Section 230 of the U.S. Communications Decency Act. We talk about Section 230 on the show a lot, but just a reminder, it protects Internet platforms from liability for what you post on the platform. Arguments in one of these cases, Gonzalez versus Google, begins February 21st. TechnologyReview.com has been highlighting this case. Go read the full articles to get the full picture, but let's do a little TLDR. Yeah, Section 230 says that Internet services will not be treated as a publisher of information created by others. Before Section 230 existed, the law was interpreted to mean you could either not moderate at all and then not be liable for anything posted, or if you moderated, you became liable for everything posted. If you're liable for everything posted, you're going to be really strict about what you allow to be posted. Section 230 lets a platform engage in moderation without being on the hook for everything you post, so they don't have to screen every post before it goes up. However, there are exemptions to the protection. One exemption is that if the platform itself creates a post, it's responsible for it. If Facebook wrote something, Facebook is responsible for it, just like anybody would be responsible for what they write. Another of exemptions is if the post is criminal, then the platform has a responsibility to remove it. Gonzales vs. Google argues that YouTube violated the Anti-Terrorism Act when its algorithm promoted content created by Daesh, a.k.a. ISIS. The court will address whether recommendations of content are the same as the display of content. If recommendations are no different than displaying content, then Section 230 applies. And YouTube would then be off the hook. However, if recommendations are not the same as simply displaying it, then what are they? How the court answers that could have widespread implications for how the Internet works. And remember, not all algorithms are the same. An algorithm lets you sort posts chronologically, geographically, alphabetically. An algorithm can also show you posts at things you'll like. They're all algorithms. They just do different things. Reddit filed an amicus brief explaining that its moderation approach relies on upvotes and downvotes, which are used to help determine what rises to the top and that's determined by an algorithm. Yeah, it may not be a recommendation algorithm per se, but it's counting the likes and the not-likes and then deciding where on the page to display that. So it is an algorithm that's doing this. This is coming. We've talked about it on the show a couple of times. It's a chance for us to remind you that it's coming in a couple of weeks. We won't get a decision. It'll just be the hearing. Heaton, I don't know if you've been following this much. What's your impressions of this? Well, I'm really interested in how they're interpreting 230 in this instance. It's not that they're claiming that the algorithm prioritized something and therefore was violating neutrality, but rather that the recommendation itself constituted posting something in violation of 230 because it was criminal, i.e. Daesh. There's a couple of ways they're trying to get the court to rule. One would be to say, like, hey, that's criminal content. And so when they recommended it, they were recommending criminal content. The court would have to decide that recommendation was closer to display in order to count it as criminal. Otherwise, it's just like, oh, well, they got around to taking it down. They just didn't get around fast enough. There's actually a similar case involving Twitter that's going to test that part of it as well. But this is really about, do you cross the line out of your protections if you recommend something? Is that different than just displaying it? First of all, the thing I'm most curious about is if there is some sort of saving grace time delay type thing where you've got three hours to notice that you've accidentally posted something, or allowed something to be posted on your website that's criminal. I assume those statutes are in there. But otherwise, it's kind of an interesting ideological breakdown. I don't think I would see this as terribly different. I wouldn't, on my end, unless somebody gave me a really persuasive position, I wouldn't put selecting something algorithmically as the same thing as posting it outside of 230. Yeah, I mean, the section 230 part that's applicable is pretty short. It basically says, no internet service provider shall be treated as the publisher of things posted by somebody else. If you're being very literal, then it doesn't matter if you show it in a different way.  It's just how you're displaying it. But it's hard to tell how this court is going to rule. You think about how hard are they leaning into that algorithm. So with YouTube, presumably there's a little thing at the bottom that's like, you liked this video, so you might like this beheading video from Daesh. So it's very direct, right? But as you all pointed out a moment ago, some algorithms might just be in alphabetical order. It could be in chronological order. There's still some sort of preference mechanisms there. So if you have a weaker algorithm that nonetheless is collating things outside of chronology or alphabetizing, then would that also qualify? Yeah, and is the court going to get into the business of that, right? If they're saying like, okay, you can't be treated as the publisher of things as an internet service platform. But we're going to decide that once you start telling someone if you like this, you like that, that's content. Now you are the publisher the way you would be if you wrote a post yourself. And the recommendations are the content of your post, possibly. I could see a niche with a little opening where someone might write an opinion that points to responsibility that way. I don't know. I'd be a lot more swayed for that kind of thing when it comes to platforms being neutral than I would for it actually constituting content. That to me is just a shortcut for finding some way to prioritize things. I'm not too bothered by that, but you can make an argument in terms of neutrality. And section 230 has nothing to do with neutrality. All section 230 is saying is, hey, if you're moderating stuff, we're not going to punish you for that. Even if some of your stuff is wrong, it's the person who posted it in the first place that is responsible for it. It's really not contemplating neutrality or perspective. In fact, all it's saying is like, you can tilt this whatever direction you want. That's beyond our purview.  Well, folks, if you have a thought about something on the show, but you don't know our email address, here it is. Email us feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. ChadGPT has been used to write everything from technical manuals to code cover letters and resumes. Justin Robert Young even uses it to write his podcast show notes. But could it write a whole show? Andrew Heaton decided to find out and had it write an episode of the political orphanage. Heaton, what inspired you to try that? So I did an episode with you and our friend Darren Kitchen on ChadGPT. I was really interested in ChadGPT specifically from the angle of automation and rendering jobs obsolete. That tends to be the thing people freak out about, at least with previous technologies. So I wanted to see how long do I have before I become obsolete? Can I retire? Do I need to move back in with my parents preemptively? Winner podcast host specifically going to be made obsolete. So I ended up doing a full bonus episode on my program of this particular content where I fed in prompts to ChadGPT, then stitched together an entire script, and then I used a service called Descript to overdub my voice. So I didn't record any of it, but it sounds like me. It's a robot doing a very good Heaton impression and had it run through there. And that's basically what I wanted to see. How good is it compared to me? Now, how detailed did you get? Did you break down elements of the show? Did you give it segments? Did you do it all at once? Yes. At least when I was playing with ChadGPT, you are limited in terms of the total word count of the answers that it gives. I think it's 500 words or something like that. So I had to do it in bits and pieces. And so I said like, and I would give it very specific directions. So I'd say, you know, do an introduction to the show, but be sure to include welcome to the political orphanage, a home for plucky misfits and problem solvers. That way there was some regularity there. So I did slightly massage it that way, same with the ending. But I gave it segments. I even had to do jokes. I do comedic advertisements on my program regularly. And I was real curious to see can it replace comedians. And so I told it, write jokes for a whimsical product designed for horses and had it write that out for me. How much of your actual voice do you think it got right? It's pretty good. I'm very much impressed with Overdub with Descript. The bits that are noticeable at this point are any words that aren't super common. The syllable will be the wrong intonation. Or if it's any word that's a proper noun that's not really specific in the dictionary. So I don't know if we're talking about like Star Trek characters or something. But even with more kind of normal words that are secondary or tertiary, it'll kind of mess up on that. But overall, I'd say it does a fairly good job with Descript because you're just putting in a script and you can have it say whatever you want. You can kind of get around that where theoretically if I had like a really bad cold or I was incapacitated vocally for a while, I could put in a script there, listen to it and go, oh, it really, it's not able to get that name down. It just, it can't get Tom. I'll have it say, you know, Tim or whatever the thing is, you kind of work around it. But the pronunciation is pretty good. I think it'll get much better. So we're all out of work soon. Well, here's the thing. It wasn't very good. The chat GPT was, it was, it was like a very like, if you didn't know what I was up to, you would have just thought, man, Heaton really phoned it in today. This is a, this is Heaton's either quit taking his testosterone supplements or he's hungover or something. He is not bringing the heat today. It was, it was all right, but it was just, it was very boilerplate. It lacked the pith and it lacked the zing. I pride myself in being substantive, but funny and part of my job is being an engaging entertainer in addition to bringing ideas to people. Chat GPT was serviceable if it was writing a, an essay for English class or something like that. It's fine for that. If you're, if you're just spitting out ad copy or just copy. The humor was a little off. The, the ways that I would have prioritized were a little off and then it did have bizarre clinks in it where it would go, let's face it. Something, something, something horse joke. Let's face it. Something, something, something next horse joke. Let's face it. And it just over over. Yeah. It had a kind of uncanny valley effect. So I'm not sweating it. I, I, I think I've at least got, I think something else will do me. And career wise, much before the robots get me, I think I'm much more likely for something bad to happen in another sector than for the robots to happen. It's interesting. I think that what's going to happen with podcasting is not that it's going to put us out of a job. I think what's going to happen is basically it's just going to expand the scope quite a lot. So friends that I have that are journalists that write articles and write blogs that aren't podcasters. I think the technology is going to get to the point very soon. Where they also have overdubbed voices. The second they post something on the website, it, it puts it out as a podcast with their voice, them never having read it out loud. And so you'll, you'll find that a lot of the writers you like will suddenly have a quote unquote podcast. They'll sound a tad bit robotic. That's where I see it going in the immediate future. But I'm not really worried about it right now. It's not quite able to get that human je ne sais quoi that you need to, to remain engaging with your audience. As we engage with these more and more, I feel like those kinds of uncanny valleys are coming more often than we expected. I mean, we always talk about the uncanny valley with robots, but you're pointing about one with creativity, with emotion, with, with expression that I think we're going to run into those walls and be like, ah, it's just really hard for it to get past that and sound perfect. It's serviceable for stuff, but it can't, it can't, it can't really replicate us. Yes, I think you're absolutely right about that. I mean, one of the great things about chat GPT, and I think why it is a game changer for search engines and Google is that it's very good at analyzing lots of data and concisely giving you what you want, which is great. If you need research or a recipe or directions or something like that, that's absolutely fantastic because what it's doing is it's saving you the irritation of waiting through multiple options or watching a YouTube video or going, having to scoop away all the ads and swat them away. But when you're, when you're doing creative stuff specifically, I am not relaying information as concisely and quickly as I can. Part of what we're doing is packaging things in a way that are engaging, that are fun. It might be lyrical. It might be comedic. That's going to take a while. Even then I do think that you're going to see like AI augmented comedy very soon, like very, very soon. If I were writing for a late night show where I had to produce a ton of jokes all the time, a lot of the time there are events that we're all going to have to talk about. So I don't know, the British Prime Minister trips and falls down the stairs and it's a really funny video. Well, you know every single late night show is going to talk about that. So you might have a situation where you go to chat GPT and say, write 50 jokes about the Prime Minister falling down the stairs. Most of them aren't going to be very funny. Maybe one of them's funny in and of itself. Maybe one of them might get there. But it wouldn't be like you'd fire all the writers. It would be more like just, it's kind of giving them ammunition to use. We're being like a kind of a crutch that they can use and hopefully we'll let them do something else. An aid or a tool or something. Yeah, an aid, yeah. All right, let's check out the mailbag before we get out of here. Let's do it. Joao and Lisbon wanted to share his experience with Prometheus. That's being AI's beta. Joao says, I decided to ask Prometheus to write a good morning greeting for my team Slack channel. Prometheus gave me three greetings that included some info of the day type information. One of the options said it was Valentine's Day, but that was wrong because this was asked around 6am GMT on February 13th, not 14th. I asked Prometheus why it told me it was Valentine's Day and it responded by saying it was February 14th in some places on Earth. Okay. When I asked what places it was already February 14th, it gave me a list of places which were all incorrect. For example, Tokyo, Japan. When I asked for the date and time for Tokyo, Japan, it gave me the correct date and time contradicting the information it just gave me one prompt earlier. I was disappointed by this failure, but used Bing's feedback options to explain all of this to Microsoft. Hope they can fix the bug and improve Prometheus' accuracy and consistency. By the way, Joao let us know that this entire email was composed with Prometheus using similar prompts, which I would not have known. Yeah. Because I don't know Joao. You know, it's maybe he just talks like I bought. The only tip-off was that the font, the typeface, was unusual, which once we knew he had copied it from the chat GPT. I was like, oh, that's the chat GPT typeface. So I'm going the whole long way about this. I need to try to automate listeners. That's what I should be doing. Automate listeners so that I'm not beholden to them. This is very, very clever. Right, right. It's an end around to the system. Exactly. Yeah. Thank you, Joao, for not only sharing your experience with us, but using the tool to save you the time it took to share the experience with us. I'm curious how much time it saved him if he had to put in the prompts to say make sure to mention this, make sure to mention that. 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How does a guy manage his emotions and expectations when he's going on a date with a woman that he really really values? Because I will tell you this it can be an emotional roller coaster. Yeah, for sure That's why we got to talk about this viral reddit post joining us today for this conversation is social media guru consultant Influencer from our hometown of Seattle Nelson young. What up? Good to see you guys. Thanks for having me on the show You know what I always see I always see your comments on the next shark and the jackfruit post that I'm leaving comments All the time.  It's real and as an Asian-American male We have different dynamics at play. Yeah for sure So make sure you like subscribe and turning your notifications because this was ultimately a very in-depth viral reddit thread Yeah, and hopefully what we say in this video is Somewhat advice and somewhat helpful, you know, it's just we're three bros who have experience in this I think we've all gone through our version of this story Maybe on a lesser extent or larger extent, but let's talk about it. So anyways guys We have this reddit post this guy says man, how do I manage my emotions when online dating? especially dating high-quality women and maybe that's his issue is because he's already Labeling people high-quality low-quality just means hot man. He just means Pushing his limits of what his looks max desirable women, right anyways to summarize Basically this guy got out of a 1.5 year relationship. So he's online dating He has no problem with getting dates, but what happens is he meets this girl. She happens to be white blonde hair blue-eyed, right? So he gets very excited. He's like wow this girl is everything I needed. She's like a med school student She's very smart good family. He's hyped up. He takes her on two dates Good dates in his opinion and on the third one. It feels okay The third dates whatever and then she breaks it to him drops a bottle bomb on him and says hey I have no romantic feelings for you.  Oh Dude is crushed. He is like he's so crushed. He's running to Reddit to be like guys What did I do wrong? Is there anything like let me tell you what's going on and I need some advice So as we know dating and online dating can be very emotional for both sides men and women But this side we're gonna hopefully help this guy out You know what this whole post is kind of spicy, but you know what else is spicy? Oh Smala sauce guys check it out a lot of chefs and foodies like it. We are shipping this very very soon It's an amazing finishing oil. We stand by the product high quality made in the USA small sauce. I think real quick I just want to get into some details He does say that prior to getting his heart broken by this I believe white medical resident He went on a date with a dentist girl an optometrist a PhD student and NASA engineer And it was an even split between Asian females and white females But I became quickly exhausted Juggling multiple girls at the same time and decided to raise my standard and focus on one at a time I'm looking for a long-term relationship and not interested in hooking up Was this guy even in the right emotional state to get back into another long-term relationship after breaking up I mean if you break up with a girl for 1.5 years I feel like this tell me if you agree or disagree with me do you disagree with me guys? We won't know that we're an extra tender emotional state because we're just like not in touch with our emotions like that Women will be like hyper aware of that and their friends will be aware of that but guys. We're just like no dude I'm good. I'm good and then like deep down underneath the layers that we can't even see in ourselves in the mirror We're like I'm weak right. I'm unstable Yeah, Nelson Do you have kind of a rule of like how long you need as a guy that's in a reasonable amount of time to need to like Before you go back on the dating I don't think you could put like a number of months I don't think you could put even a number of dates I think that you have to look at it like Have you put in the work? Whether work on yourself or have you given yourself some time to to process Have you given your time to to love yourself? And you know, I think it makes sense because you know if you're not learning from the previous relationship It's not a good situation, right? I think if you're not learning then you're not growing and if you're not growing There's no there's no point in you dating in my opinion.  You lost your kind of injured You need time to recover just like anything, you know emotion, but obviously in sports I'm thinking more, you know, but it's the playoffs. There's no time for injuries. We're in the NBA playoffs right now Um, all right, so I think that Have first of all has this kind of happened to you guys It's kind of happened to me when you went on a date With a girl who you kind of built up in your mind you hyped her up because Statistically wise based off her failing background her education her looks okay And you might also be looking at it through rose colored glasses or some sort of halo or like a lute filter exactly exactly A halo effect whatever it is But you build this girl up and you get on a date with her and you're kind of like wow This girl's like kind I don't want to say out of my league, but like kind of a stretch for me Can we just point out that he said that this blonde girl's five nine? She has blonde hair blue eyes She was raised by his physician. She's a physician and she studied abroad in Shanghai where I lived until the age of 12 This was my absolute dream. Yo, this guy. So was this a mistake? Is it a mistake to to meet a girl on online dating and then build her up to be a dream? No, I would say no. I mean, I think that's completely understandable for you. I mean, it's understandable why he'd feel that way It's very cuz I think once again I think online dating presents this person's best foot forward, right? It's it's their resume and their best light It's it but it has nothing to it doesn't show anything about past traumas. It doesn't show anything about credit report It doesn't show anything about who they dated before they're they're they're past And I think it's but I think it's really easy to get excited and the thing too I mean you're talking about like sports, right like Online dating in a bit of itself is Fatiguing and tiring by nature. It's a lot of swiping, right? It's a lot of ghosting It's the illusion that the grass is always greener that the next person you swipe on is gonna be hotter than the one that that passed on you, right? Like and that's an illusion, right? So I think when you get passed out I think I think it's very important to have it even head when you're gonna take dating seriously online Yeah, I mean this guy he I believe he is what a doctor himself, but he just You know he wasn't here. You know what he did in her. He probably was like And she probably was like no and then you know that's some shanghai needs and he probably was just like Dude, I trust me. I I fell for the trap of like, oh my gosh. This like half Hispanic Half Chinese girl speaks Chinese better than me. Oh my gosh. This is my dream like dude It's It is real though. That's real. It's real But I think what he left out and what he probably didn't do is if he's truly ready for another relationship I feel like you got to say that up front in the first one or two dates and you have to explain to this person Hey, by the way, I am looking for something serious and you're gonna perceive that person through that now for her to be like You know, I have no romantic feelings for you. You're really nice. Okay. Bye like that is cold But that's well within a right and also I think that he didn't explain what he was looking for I mean, let's be honest. This guy is a mainland fob. So he may be more like You know, it'll tapped into that Jay Chow Bicycle with with the cloud filter like through the they might not be them, you know each other's types But I would actually kind of ask this because I don't think this is really clear based on the reddit post my question is what has he done to to control and And essentially be The producer of those dates when I mean by that is how was he manufacturing? Chemistry, right? What is he putting into it? Is it all friend zone coffee date? Like what does it look like is it hands off is it or it did he did he said he didn't say he doesn't say Yeah, it's also class. I'm curious. Yeah, also class off the rip. You're gonna feel it, right? I'm curious to be set up like, you know, did he organize something really really well according to what she likes And are you is he asking the right questions in the message the messaging part of the of the online dating app? Right and as he sets it up because that's really what it's about to you have to as a guy often times You have to manufacture the space. It's got to be a safe space It's got to be a space that the girl feels comfortable and you have to allow there to be room for chemistry It's probably like, yeah, you know, I took her to get shot one ball because she also Live in Shanghai You know it's a mistake that a lot of guys make a lot of Asian guys because they meet a good-looking non-Asian woman Who's into Asian culture or into an aspect of Asian culture and you focus on that because you're like, oh, she likes anime Yeah, let's go to this anime convention. Let's go to this.  She's studying in Shanghai. Oh Let's only go get Shanghai needs food. Let's I'm like, that's not necessarily the best play Well, you super get ahead of yourself, right because you're like you're my dream I think that's a good basis for friendship, which is fantastic, right? But that's not necessarily a basis for romance. Yeah, right? And so I think as Asian guys do, you know, I think you have to look at it Like, you know, how do you how do you make sure you're you're actually putting the right moves out there? You know that are not just friend zone moves. Yeah, I want to ask you this Nelson Yeah, have you ever been on a date with a girl that you felt like was kind of out of your league and She she kind of W ghost you or it ended quick horse. Yeah So how did you feel when you went on a date? Like when you get that match with this high quality woman? You're like whoa, you know, like I don't deserve this, right? I mean, I think that mentality is a double-edged sword I mean because I think it's it's good to have that humility and that that realness that says man like hey Thank you for spending time with me, but on the other side of things It's you want to also look at like hey, we got it We got to see if we're compatible here, right? Like you got to be able to riff with them You got to be able to see if if they have the same type of humor the same type of affection Maybe the same love languages etc, right? Yeah, and I think I think if you're looking at it just from like Oh my god, like you're on a pedestal and like what am I doing with you? Why like then all of a sudden you're like you're not in a position of confidence and that's a that's a huge Or you're in a position of like naiveness Girls are always sensing this is my opinion girls are always sensing if the guy likes them But guys are not always sensing if the girl likes them back When they like think about oh this goes a good woman, this is a good woman I got to do this and this and this I got to hit the check marks But you're just running through the the the dinner you're running through this you're right You're not really digging deep into what you actually want But I think about the connection right right well real quick I gotta ask is she right or wrong for saying that she a she felt no romantic connection because that was real I think she's right. She said it. I think she's right. She didn't waste his time Yeah, but now they went did go on three dates Yeah, I consider wasting his time at all or did she need the three dates to tell him that or was she kind of? Getting some free dinners and having some fun experiences. I mean not not based on what it sounds like her profession I don't think it's a free dinner, but that being said I'm generalizing here But I do think though that she's preventing more waste of time It's good if by three dates there isn't a physical chemistry or like some type of relational chemistry there, right? So I think that's very nice of her to be able to stay up front like hey, you know I think we're good friends or I think we could be friends, but I don't think it could be more than that I think that's that's admirable. What do you think about this part where he goes? Yeah Maybe I was too uptight and did not escalate physically. I have done plenty in the past But this girl is very firm on boundaries and properties. I try to stay respectful for he's a I am decent looking myself I am not a Asian Chris Helmsworth, but I am okay. I'm 511 185 pounds with 15% body fat and I serve in Marines In fact, I studied chemical engineering at Ivy League school and I'm currently in my fourth year of PhD at state flagship Alright him Doing the whole math equation thing is a little it's a little bit odd Like to be like well, I do this and this and this and this so how can it mean this and this and this because if a plus b plus c equals F then why aren't I getting is it every I we got to acknowledge the elephant in the room You know how people say they're like Chinese people or Asians, but maybe I want to say mostly Chinese people are robotic Is he thinking a little bit like this like data from Star Trek? I mean being a little bit robotic about this interaction or at least robotic in a Western gaze I could totally it seems like Klingon or what it was. What was Spock Spock was Vulcan. Yeah half Vulcan like Here's my I think I think matching online can be statistical like you see each other stats the height the way the The looks okay matches up with mine that match can be statistical Chemistry is not yeah, and there was no chemistry between the dating can't be just on paper It doesn't work that way. Yeah, but alright So I have some quick reasons because I guess hopefully this is helpful to the OP who posted this And what are some possible reasons why she was not interested romantically? And I think some women who are have their pick of the litter have their options who are All educated and good-looking they honestly can go on dates with all different types of guys She might have just been interested from an exploration standpoint and be like, oh, I haven't dated that many Chinese guys from Shanghai. Let me just see what this is like could have even been as you know as crazy as it is in 2023 We're talking about X and all these things. This is more like a modern type of word Modern terminology. Yeah, it could he just could have had bad breath one of them. I'm saying it could have been Yep, yeah as my nude as that and as macro as like you're just too fobby for me Or I don't or or as shallow as I'm not physically attracted to your your Facial aspects. I mean under absolutely been also we have to think about this David like She could also have not been monogamous in her exploration phase So she could have been like, you know, maybe I like this other guy more than this guy the OP and you know I'm gonna let him down easy by giving this exam You know this explanation, right? So so we don't know too much. We don't know her POV But in reality like what the OP can do better my opinion, I think one I think he needs to probably be a little bit less so on presenting the stats I think in the end of the day that is that that kind of stuff is not measurable in real life, right? Yeah, number I think number two. It just also sounds like he needs to loosen up, right? Based on the fact that he's already self-admitting but Nelson loosening up That's one of the hardest things for a educated Asian man to do. It can't be Chinese let's be real especially for Chinese, but all Asians. Yeah. Um, anyway, let's just get into the comments section Yeah, this guy said have you ever thought that maybe it's not you and she just had other choices She liked better. Maybe you shouldn't Monday night quarterback this and move on except the last as part of the statistics of Eventually finding somebody suitable. Hey, you got to take L's in this online dating game I'm telling you man.  You got to keep it moving like or the best people Do move on and they just have a next play up mentality. Yeah, and I don't think the post game review is bad I think it is good to write to do some review and think about it a little bit But ultimately you you you got another game to play. What's the next comment? Um, this guy said Any well the guy asked any idea on managing the mental game when dating high quality women and this guy said You know what? I think this is where it all went wrong Let the women request Exclusivity and make a call what you are focusing on one you're focusing on one girl when no Relationship with that one girl even exists yet women have a sixth sense for desperation and sixth sense for who's getting lots If you heard of the memetic desire, everybody wants what everyone else wants Let's say that the strategy worked for me He's talking essentially and this is um, you can apply to dating and he's breaking it down a memetic desire But I would say I never even heard that Abundance mindset versus scarcity mindset you act different you feel different It may be potentially even the pheromones that you know how dogs can smell pheromones and hormones Maybe even release different when you're in abundance versus scarcity man. That's a that's such a good point I mean, I think you do want to look at like hey, you know if I miss this shot There's still other people out there Look at you know look at that Fail dating experiment as a learning lesson right but on the other hand I also look at like what can I do to best prepare myself for the dating world to be my best version number two You know like I think you have to also fix your mentality when you're dating somebody with with high standards And whether you're looking at using the term high value or not. I think that's a very I don't know I think if anything that's a a term that that's probably used inappropriately for some women But in reality, I think you should always be having high standards when you're dating, right? So I think you should always be putting your best foot forward We're talking your your character your traumas your your bank account, right? You're your job situation like your your dreams and values and all that Get those things in line. Yeah, and he might be let's be honest I under partially white worshiping because he's shing I knees Keep a real man. That's the internal Chinese stereotype. I don't even need to get it. Yeah We don't need to get into that 100 Google links to that. There's some back I mean, you know friends, yeah, it was a colony as part of China Anyways, to be then there's another comment that says to be clear You haven't probably done anything wrong, but you just need to find someone who is playing the same game as yourself And that pretty much means like hey, you've got to find another person that is looking for the same type of Situation who knows maybe this girl's dating three four guys who knows maybe she's just in a play-around phase Who knows all names? She's just an experimental phase. Who knows we don't know because you don't know because you didn't ask her Anyways, and then you know what? I think a lot of guys do and I don't know if it's a repetition thing or just a rookie versus a veteran thing a lot of guys Like front-load their desire like he was already imagining a life with this woman traveling back to Shanghai and going on the bun And why ton and going to shin Tian with her and it was like I noticed a lot of girls They more like back load It's the it does change obviously if this dude is super hot or whatever But like I'm saying that girls like more grow into it and dudes will like front-load it. I think that happens Yeah, yeah, that's like just a fundamental mismatch right there because she was gonna grow into it Maybe like you said she's seeding five different Chinese PhD So David do you have a tip does anybody have a tip on how to not hype yourself up when you when you match with a High-quality woman high quality woman like how do you know? I like do you treat all days the same? I would say that you Gotta get reps in but you got to get the coaching to and that's why I think it's good that this guy went to reddit Because let's be honest a lot of Asian guys, especially this guy who came from 12 from Shanghai He doesn't have the bro coaching to go over game film You don't mean and when you don't go over game film Let's just like in defense and basketball if you're messing up a coverage You're just gonna do it again and again exactly until you do watch the game film With the coach and then you fix it So I think that that's the main thing like if if you are a guy who's like constantly front-loading Your your like love for somebody. Yeah, I would say like when you're dating Man, you cannot put too much into one single or date Like you should have your mid-tier spot that you know You're gonna take them to yeah And if the girl doesn't like that if that's not nice enough for that for you for them Then that's a red flag right there. You know what I mean because you know You want to take up you want to do something nice but not too nice for the first day because ultimately you're not trying to set that Expectation super high. I think I was doing too much. He said nice restaurant. I took her to a concert the next day I'm it's almost like he was statistically trying to convince her with the dollar About it like a game of magic with like the mana and stuff I mean that's a term love bombing right so you have to be I think one you have to be careful about that I think number two. Yeah, you could definitely go into the logistics of like what type of price point are you looking at for dinner? You know coffee versus dinner walks versus coffee, but I mean whatever I think I think first and foremost I think you need to come in I think a guy needs to come with the right mentality You have to come in with the right amount of confidence But ultimately you got to be yourself and I think where the reps come into is like it's like going to a number of job interviews Like it takes time to share your story. It takes time to get to the point It takes time to find that chemistry. I I personally look at when you look at dates as job interviews You know half the battle is one because you actually were able to spend time with her You know half the battle is just showing up right and getting that call to show up And so I think as long as you could find that fit and be yourself and be comfortable and and not be so robotic Yet at the same time don't be unhinged right if you can find that I mean I think you're in a huge position Yeah, I don't know what he would have to do if this guy's 12 He's a PhD in chemical engineering and he came from China He would need to watch Just different movies and different music than he's consuming right now It would need to be outside of the sphere of what he grew up Maybe take an improv class a lot of people say improv classes help because it just helps you break out of your shell Helps you try to be funny on the fly. Yeah, do you think it would have worked better? Had he been back in Shanghai this type of like Overly concerned with analytics and stats in ultimately a field that is more heart based emotion based attraction based things that are very very difficult to Quantify on a scientific level That's good and I'm saying like if he was back in a place where everybody thinks like that maybe the girls thinking like that too So that you I'm saying like I'm not saying that all I still think he would be over-indexing for being back in the East but it would More people in the East think like this then in the West yeah in the West They really don't think like this and especially if he's on a date with a blonde woman a blonde woman is like even more than Eastern European woman is like gonna be the least thinking like this in my opinion probability wise right the most like you know Jane Austen like pride and prejudice. So are you saying that he should move back to Shanghai? Yeah, like if she was living in Shanghai, she just did a study abroad there She probably was like yeah, it was good But everybody there was too robotic and like stats based and then he just like bringing it Oh, yeah, finally a girl that is gonna accept my stats based in a little No, maybe he just bombarded her with questions about Shanghai. Oh, yeah, what's your place in Shanghai?  Oh my god. Did you go there? Oh, did you say in Jingan? Oh, did you say by the button?  What anyways, yeah I gotta add one more thing. I mean one thing one thing that comes off to me from the OPs post though is that I Bet I'm willing to bet that on those dates like there's something very Not just robotic about how he's probably speaking to her He's probably not even asking the right questions. I don't know to me.  That's a good point But he's like I was not trying to be conceded. I was just listing the bullet point and the sub-bullets of my statistics I think because like when when you think about Asians to an Asian men You know when you think about the stats that he's putting out there He's putting physical stats and on top of resume stats like this guy doesn't sound very humble I think you know what I mean? Like it sounds like he's three inches taller than the average Asian Like maybe here in New York City 511 or something like that, right? Like he's probably more Athletically built he has a medical he's in the medical profession, etc. So he already is probably mom's favorite kid Right, so he probably grew up with this like Langdai like type of you know You know my my son's the most handsome in the world More like bionic man that makes it that's very I mean I think in the end I think girls find that very unattractive Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh especially Western women do not like that And I just think it's like tough because for his situation He's either gonna have to find somebody who's in sync with how he views the world and how we've used in a personal Relationship pings or he's gonna need to go on a long journey that probably involves spirituality religion West you know what I mean like consuming a lot of Western philosophies that I'm sure he hasn't been reading and in chem, you know Kim I need to go on a whole arc or just go with more women who think like I think the bank off of that though I would be very curious if his Dating history involves a lot of women who likes getting gifts likes the financial aspect of the relationship But isn't considered high-value to him From profession from Emily background from travel history, whatever.  I'd say it's like 20% of dudes listen dating a high-level woman is not like getting into Ivy League school He's totally treating it like that. Well, look at my stats. Look at my stats. Look at my stats Why didn't I get in? Why didn't I get in and he's like knocking on the door of like, you know Yale? I why didn't I get in? It's good point, but yeah, I would also say going off your interview aspect. This is my last takeaway It's like as a guy you have to and I think this is what you have to do to do online dating to have stamina and Online dating you have to feel confident in yourself that you will and can match with women and you know that you have the value It's like when you go into a job interview Probably the job is gonna take you if you come off with that confidence that you can get another job Like you want this job, but you are capable of getting another job Because the employer wants to know oh other companies want you cool We're gonna take you so I'm just saying as a guy entering online dating And if you're gonna be on there for a while and you're not gonna just emotionally break down because it totally is emotional You got to feel secure in yourself and be like, you know what I lost one, but I'll probably mean another girl That's a better match. So it's cool. I'm gonna keep moving. But she had the fraud so long boy. I'm not gonna see you I'll say this man. This is just my general advice as a takeaways like I feel like Take all girls to like a mid-tier spot and then see if she likes you more versus investing in the Omakase dates right off the bat. Yeah Yeah, I'm but I'm let's be honest a lot of like more yappy dudes with the corporate jobs You know sure he has a high salary into Ivy League. They go with the old they leave with the omakase Yeah, I don't think that's sustainable, you know, I don't think it's financially wise either But you know, I think to you know to echo what you're saying though and I go with what Andrew's saying I personally think stamina is a big deal But I think sometimes it makes you really value meeting somebody offline and you know Coming from that and once again, yes, you've been able to go on dates and sometimes it feels like it's a turnstile It's a revolving door. It's it's literally just swipe swipe swipes And then you could line up your entire calendar full of these dates But I think sometimes when you meet somebody organically and you're like, you know Like now I'm kind of like getting rid of a number of these these meaningless ghosting conversations or or these these These maybe these conversations or these messages that end up going nowhere You're you're actually able to be real with somebody and you can feel them out in real real life And there's something sometimes so valuable about that. That's a good point I guess my last point is Andrew. What do you think? Do you think this will ever change? Do you think that Asian families will continue in the role-player game of life to like you know League of Legends when you building up your character with XP points or whatever you want to call it VC and 2k There are certain overlooked areas or you could build a holistic player But would you say a lot of like Chinese guys or Asian guys who really educated families? It almost feels like that romantic EQ sector was like they didn't get any distribution of points on their base player Yeah, I think it will continue for a while But I do think as long as the guys man If it's the key is to recognizing that early on so that you can get the coaching and the practice in So they tell up that attribute bar. Yeah, yeah, because it may not come from your family But anyways guys, we're gonna wrap it up right there shout out to Nelson for joining us That talk was somewhat helpful if you're a guy who's getting an online dating Let us know what you think let us know in the comments down below what you thought about the OP situation And check out smaller sauce calm. Yo, you know, I'm not your next date Yo, the way he was talking about his stats. It was like he was at that Shanghai singles park where the parents try to match Like a trading card anyways guys. All right, everybody. Thanks so much for watching until next time we out