its going on um kind of like how because wow remember though this is like because in eternal is um fucking like a big celestial just pops up above earth and is like hey i'm here and then disappears it's like dude all of these crazy events happening after it's so great that cap just abandoned the present like while all of this crazy shits going on but uh yeah um so yeah this happened and uh and then contru gets locked up yeah so i guess they have no moon night powers anymore presumably and contru said before they did the spell that you need to get marked to break me free like oh um and then Ethan Hall gets to go back to the council place and basically like gloat a bit yeah how did Ethan get here they invited him i guess yeah no like you don't write about contru but yeah see you later you were right he was casting an illusion this is what i mean about something gods it's like everyone everyone get on the phone we got to get to the council oh god what's happened it's like contru contru he's fucking rewinding the sky by 2000 years like wow why it's like i don't care we got to punish him you like punish him yeah but are you at all curious does not concern you that yeah like don't you don't you wonder why is contru doing all this stuff what he's clearly very concerned about something enough to where he's willing to get in god prison to explain this to mortals like does that not concern you but you told him you told him you'd lock him up if you did this again he did it anyway so as i tell you about he clearly was convinced that it was worth it that should be warrant because you're just sitting on your ass is doing nothing for thousands of years so uh just i don't know just for the sake of entertainment if there's any question you should be getting it's that the show is pretty bad um it's i uh i feel like if you would listen to us explain episode one and then episode three back to back it's like how is this the same tv show he's like i don't know yeah um i i have jumped quickly from the story well remember isaac said that this is a more of a character study no it's not yeah it's not it's very plot heavy um i i thought we were gonna get a low stakes low level more intimate story and it's just not what we're getting because it's big no we jump straight to this massive galactic plot where the fate of the billions of lives in the planet is at stake and i don't even really feel like i know our protagonist or any of the rules about anything that i'm seeing because the problem is with what just happened in this episode we can't the broader universe can't not acknowledge moon knight um he can't continue to be somebody who exists in his own little neck like dead evil is low level enough that it makes sense that he could be like ignored even though i'm not sure that he really would be but like he could be left to his own devices more so than this dude who's moving the night sky remember um episode two that fight they had uh is in front of like a series of just normal people yeah that's right like you're telling me none of that like like so the avengers will be aware of a guy called moon knight now if not maybe they don't have his name i don't really care but they'll be aware of a guy wearing a fucking costume beating up things in uh this is egypt right i can't remember was this this was it was in britain and then in egypt we well britain yeah like like look look at this bus you're telling me like nobody on this bus had a phone yeah i just recorded everything that was going on here it's nuts look at them all because he was even remember um you'd you'd have reason to pull out your phone even earlier than this when there's this guy in a white suit going like i'm gonna knock your head in mate exactly you'd be recording that in this day and age so many people everywhere yeah like moon knight's done he's he's already opened up to the world and then he's just doing cosmic level shit anyway why the hell what the fuck huh what hi yeah i had all of it when i was getting my food just what fuck man moving the night sky yeah that was pretty crazy huh it's not just like it's not just like a painting above us man i know exactly in space i think that the writers might think that that's a legitimate concern that i have the writers might be so ignorant of the the world they live in that they think it really is just dots on a sky i think the problem is i don't want to jump to that conclusion but it's hard not to yeah like that's a real possibility it feels so much to me that there is a failure to recognize that the night sky is just our ability to see like it's what we see of space the part the thing that we're in like it's it's space it's everything there's literally everything in space as rick would say and like and and because of course think about it this way because remember what we see in the night sky is a very very very very small part of not only our galaxy but then if you expand it out like in terms of the universe fucking like infinitesimal that we see with the naked eye but of course we have telescopes and we got the Hubble telescope and stuff in space and the new one that we can see a lot further we can see all of that presumably the changes they're making to the night sky are influencing galaxies that we can see that are like 13 billion like redshift what's happening these we can't ask these questions because i don't know that there's going to be any explanation that explains any of it that like the night sky is a reflection of stars as they were depending on how far away they are don't ask questions show you know kind of this is this is absolutely a don't ask questions show this is please god do not ask any fucking questions it has to be an illusion because it can't like my brain keeps defaulted to that i'm like brain you know how much they screw things up right i'm like no i know but the it can't be i don't know what i'm working with here well think about it this way if he can roll anything out if he moves all of the cosmos by doing this how is he not like the most powerful character in the marvel universe even even even then even if we accept that oh he just is the most powerful character in the marvel universe and he can just rearrange the cosmos at will right that's not going to change the night sky for years you know everyone's gonna no it's not something the stars are going to change one at a time depending on how far away they are that's what i said uh jay is that he would have to be like reversing the photons like out of like and popping them back into existence the photons that already arrived on earth from all around space i really feel like it's almost unfair to make the people aware of this because that's like tier four in terms of how poorly written this is they can really get past here what i specifically mean the people who wrote this like i really don't want to be mean but doing this fucks everything up in so many ways you have no idea what you've done and you haven't explained what you've done you've just done it that's yeah just the idea that what we see in the sky isn't the stars as they are it's the light that came from them reaching us i don't think they've thought about that at all well yeah it's um it's just it's like they had a because i bet what it was was isn't it clever that the stars have moved what if we move the back like that that was the first thought that we didn't go to the second thought of the third thought which is well wait a minute what does this mean logistically well wait a minute what about physics and then you just i uh they don't know what the word physics means you keep saying redshift like that would matter yeah yeah it would like it's it's variably going to have an impact on that because regardless of whether you only care about the ones that you could see with the naked eye in order to move all of these around you would have to be moving all of them which means that you would have to be moving like sure it's not consequential i guess if you think about it on like some this is what i mean i don't even know what it means to like consider all of these things in this situation it's insane like surely everybody can agree that it's insane regardless of whether it's an illusion or he's actually moving all of space of course the latter of which is is like much more catastrophic but i just like i this all of this happens after they make it very important that steven tells leila that the egyptians basically invented astronomy right and our astral navigation like they put a lot of focus on how the egyptians came up with a lot of this stuff and how smart they were in terms of the you know stars and things so the fact that they say that and then contry just does this yeah it's like what do you what do you well how do you link these two things together it's it's very it's very strange and um you think about the options they had as writers right they were like we could have it so that he he puts up his hands and then you see that the camera zooms into the sky and you see the stars just moving a little bit and he's like putting them in the place they were 2000 years ago but that wouldn't be interesting how else can we do it's like the fact that everything is spinning around them in what looks like a circle it's just like are you are you implying that we're reversing time by the days because by the way we don't see any like sunlight do we so it's just the night yeah assuming so assumedly he's he's yeah he's not how does that work and what about remember our star you know the sun that's what i'm saying i guess the sun doesn't move no the sun would have to be moving but keeping it would have to be moving it would have to be keeping it back well it's to the back of it or to the back of where they are because the sun never shows up here i don't know also it's funny that it's funny that she has a computer that just knows what the fuck to do with this well uh he just has a tablet and it knows what to do i could i you know again rags i'm just like why even bother with the dress and these bonus bits when we just cannot for the life as fucking understand why the hell they did this and what it means i just i'm so lost at this point it's like the idea of hanging on to any threads of continuity is just blowed open by this moment i have no idea what any of this is i can't believe we did it again in a different way like they keep figuring out new ways of doing like grand cosmic bullshit that ruins everything can't just tell a story about a guy in a thing and maybe it's it's just a it it's local and it doesn't have that many characters and we get to learn who they are and maybe it's just we can't do that it has to be this massive cosmically cataclysmic world shattering and event like all man it has to be bigger and the problem is that it just starts leading to this problem where every single time it has to be the biggest like i'm pretty sure the lowest stake thing that we've had so far was well i guess it probably was one division right that probably was the lowest stake thing that has been in phase four the 1,200 lives nice and low stakes yeah nice low stakes thousands of people because everything else back in the winter soldier was like massive like global consequences in terms of politics lowkey was everything all of everything yeah like what i was that ever was ever will be the whole world it's only home the whole world no way home was like a multiverse basically um i don't i get oh no hawkeye right hawkeye would be the lowest stakes one i forgot we didn't watch that it's the one we missed yeah that's probably the lowest stakes one apparently we get really unlucky with the ones we choose because as far as i know hawkeye is the most crowded hawkeye is the strongest yeah but like uh like just uh and then we look to the future it's like what are we doing multiverse and madness it's a multiverse so it's probably gonna be a big deal you know who would be a cool a cool like uh what are they calling them um alternate characters what are they calling them variants that's the word a cool variant to show up would be ednaughton hulk that'd be neat well i'd be like hey i think that our ednaughton hulk is canonical still yeah this would this would explain this this would explain you know why he looks different in that film it's a different universe almost as though the canon this sort of timeline doesn't include the incredible hulk we saw that's from a different timeline yeah one in our timeline we're just replacing with mark ruffalo but we never saw yeah the one in our timeline would be exactly the same but with mark ruffalo which you know is possible it's it's the case anyway right like yeah so what are we doing with us it's not can it's not canon that he changed his face from him to mark ruffalo what about iron man then what about iron man well the iron man there's iron man so it's not that exists in that universe as we know him no no it rody oh that's good oh that's yeah that's a good question exactly you want to make iron man one like oh well it did happen but it was don't cheat or not tear it down so i mean i mean that that is supposedly our assumption right as viewers that it's always been the same person yeah yeah but it is the same person and they've not canonically changed their face and now the multiverse i guess it's the same argument though you that's what i honestly can like you couldn't make the same argument but it feels wrong which is why i want to be consistent well it's just a bit of like goofy nerdy headcanon right no i know yeah they're all like they're all different very similar universes where the same thing happened but like one person maybe looks different yeah well i mean we are encountering that because in in the trailer for dr strange we've got like three versions of dr strange i think even four and they all look like benedic cumberbatch but with loki we got a shit ton of like different loki's yeah totally different um i guess you know both are possible i guess well yeah because in infinity right i guess there'd be like plenty that look exactly like you and also plenty who don't look like you at all yeah if you had an infinite amount then there would be an infinite amount who looks like you and an exactly and an infinite amount who don't look like you who look like any other it doesn't the arguments and work there's like of all the villains to come and fight sputum and we know them all from the movies like yeah that's possible we've learned yeah it's possible it's like a meta convenience but it's not really a convenience at all mm-hmm aren't you guys excited for the future of the marvel cinematic universe i know i am i mean they've heard us talk about this for ages we were hoping moon night would be good uh as you just saw that i think if they were we're gonna say what's the biggest floor of moon night it's like is there even a question like it's it's the plot it's insane that is hideous um i still don't really know mark even i feel is is is lofty right now uh the best yeah i kind of into a bit of a joke feels like yeah i wish that um all of episode one was steven's perspective and then it would have been really cool to do all of episode two to do the episode again but all of the mark parts instead mark yeah we were hoping that they would do that and it would then maybe leave everything we learned about both of our characters a decent amount we could we could that way we could both jump sort of jump into the plot and explore who we're going to be doing that plot with let's spend the time instead we got all of this we are only half oh sorry if someone if there was a scene they did we're like mark and uh steven are fighting over the body while talking to fucking leila whoever a character and then in episode one you get only half of the conversation then episode two you can put it to to you know you could have someone could edit them together to make the conversation make a hell of a lot more sense you know because it's like you'll keep hearing things out of context on both episodes like that would have been really cool since we've had the hint in this of a third personality how cool would it be if we we did that cutting of these two together but some small stuff was omitted but it was so small that you don't appreciate it at the time and then it all sort of lines up when i want to get out third pov which it seems like we're definitely going to get a third pov character it feels as though um something like hawkeye you could have someone experiment with it i guess in terms of you know creating content and stuff but this felt like the thing that definitely you'll have is you got a egyptian gods for you to pilfer for your story and then you also have just like it seems to be irrelevant compared to the avengers mainline you know like hawkeye is very connected to all of them but this guy is like got his own story he's on his own he's in a different part of the world he's got his own pantheon to deal with as well as all this history it's just like you can do whatever you want film it however you want stylize it however you want i think that's the problem right is if this one is not really anything then i didn't really have much reason to expect anything really great out of like black panther two or like she got out so it's like oh shit that was like our chance really i guess they could surprise me like these other marvel projects but this was the one that was best poised to be really cool and it's not so i'm not i don't know i don't really have much reason anymore to be super optimistic about what's coming out to lame um yeah uh we will keep an eye on the episodes as they come out and once they do i'll rewatch them get some notes ready and we can do an episode going through this in more detail i don't know that by that time we will have any more information on what the fuck just happened in that scene i feel like they're not going to mention it again but we'll see nothing about the end of it yeah we've already mentioned some things that just don't come up again like the goldfish growing its fin back just seems to have happened oh no that's a different goldfish is what it was and it's a different fish oh was it yeah oh is that what it was i might have missed the detail i thought it was like the fish died and yeah that's what i was saying that yeah so marking and attempts to appear as though everything's the same as he bought another goldfish yes i could have ripped the fin off that bastard also i think that um yeah and then from the first episode how he doesn't have control over his body that just doesn't ever pop up again and it would have been very useful on multiple occasions i'm sure but it just doesn't really ever come up again they have played very fast and loose with when they can take over each other very annoying also my computer turned my fucking mic down i mean just notice thank you all right i don't want to hear you this whole time at least we have so one person chat said why do you sound so quiet and so i was like hopefully everyone could hear me up to this point pretty well i heard you very well okay most good uh how we move on to yeah the lost of the main topics all right sonic the hedgehog Sonic yeah yeah now all we really need is we're just going to react to you for you that's basically it okay why do you want like a summary of the film or i don't think you to go to do heavy into it just just well maybe a quick summary of the plot and then how good was the movie yeah i'll do the summary of the plot so the plot is sonic is chilling out with his buddy tom that he met in the first film he's hanging out but he wants to uh he wants to do hero stuff he wants to go out there and be proactive and save people and we see that at the beginning of the film that he's like in the city trying it but he's reckless he's irresponsible his uh it seems like he's more so motivated of being a hero partly because he thinks it's cool and stuff going out there tom is telling him you know i'm coming tom is like you know it's being a hero is is about being responsible for other people you gotta you know you gotta look out for other people and you don't pick the moment when you're going to be a hero that moment picks you so then uh toman is his wife go uh to hawaii because uh her sister is getting married sonic's on his own uh but eggman who got stranded in uh in like this alternate uh the crazy weird mushroom world he's back uh with knuckles the echidna played by isha selba um who's very good in the role but we'll talk about that later and uh basically uh what what's uh the central plot oh uh the central plot is that knuckles has some sort of rivalry with sonic that is derived from uh like the past in the world that sonic used to live in before he became he came to earth um and he is looking for something called the master emerald which is like an immensely powerful artifact but if you have it it makes you super duper powerful there were wars back in the weird and the alien world that they came from and that's what they're after and that's what dr eggman now wants because initially i think the plan was just to kill sonic but um the plan shifts that we're going to get the master emerald but sonic while he's fighting knuckles gets saved by tails and then they uh they get a map that goes super duper crazy and it tells them to go find the master emerald and so that both of them these two teams are on a race to get the master emerald they go to cyberia where they find a compass um and then they they go down the slopes the mountain slopes having a big battle um sonic and tails narrowly escape but tails are seriously hurt and uh knuckles is also confused by the way that sonic is behaving it's like why is he hmm like he's saving his heart like he's acting really odd he's not acting as ruthlessly as i would have expected based on what i've heard of him um and uh they escaped by basically getting into a wedding um using these rings that they have that teleport them all around the world tails is really badly hurt and sonic is like oh well i i this is my fault like tails got hurt because of me because i wasn't good enough so i'm gonna go and do this on my own i'm gonna go and stop the bad guys on my own um which he's able to do because the temple that they're looking for that the compass leads them to uh just so happens to be pretty close to where sonic ended up by pure chance because tom went to a wedding in hawaii they go to this temple they find the master emerald sonic and knuckles have a fight and while that's happening uh eggman gets the the the master emerald against super duper duper powered up um and the temple starts to collapse and knuckles gets pinned under some debris underneath water sonic goes to get him and saves him but sonic can't swim um and then knuckles comes down and saves him and then the two end up on the beach and have a conversation about friendship because knuckles is confused as to the reason why sonic would save him when they were opposed to each other and sonic's like well i'm not not gonna let you die that's not something i'm gonna do and knuckles is like hmm i've been given reason to reconsider my grudge against you and just my perspective on the world let's see who is writing this show that's literally what the dialogue would be think the dialogue isn't like that sonic the hedgehog i would i would literally yeah you've literally get character writing out the thing that i had but uh they uh they use their little portal to go to green hills which is the town that sonic lives in on earth where eggman assembles this crazy robot using his chaos emerald powers um sonic tails and knuckles team up they fight eggman they get the master emerald out of him it breaks apart for some reason and then it splits into the all or seven chaos emeralds um and sonic is stuck there with the robot coming down on uh coming to get him he's there with tom and his wife and they're like we're gonna stick together because we're family we're not gonna leave you here and then he uses them uh chaos emeralds to go supersonic and then destroys the robot whoa um wow and then after he destroys the robot and eggman is presumed dead he releases the chaos emeralds and they go off into space because he realizes he's not ready yet that moment will come soon but he's not ready for this kind of power um and then sonic towers and knuckles are playing baseball uh but knuckles isn't super familiar with the baseball he's never played it before but he's having a lot of fun um and then uh that's the end of the film but as the government people are scouring the other wreckage of the eggman robot they mention a secret project 50 years ago oh i know what that is and then we see this strange facility and sitting there is shadow the hedgehog he's gonna be in the next one shadow the hedgehog he's gonna be free i don't know who's gonna play him he was gonna play i want to know knuckles i'm definitely gonna be there watching that it's honestly like it's never like it's it's always been tragic but it's never i feel been more tragic than it is right now that christopher lee has passed on i mean i guess they're probably gonna get keanu ribs or something i can easily see that keanu reef feels too obvious it does feel chris pratt and that's the most obvious no no stop it chris pratt feels like no obviously that was that would be a joke yeah but uh but i mean who knows right uh but i guess uh yeah that's those are the broad strokes of the plot the tl dr is the plot's pretty bad um but the character work is fine i don't know if i call it good but it's it's it's mostly like there um it's it's it's really straightforward but it's functional which is worth something i would say and it has a theme uh that is actually like reinforced consistently in the story with events that make sense my god um so yeah it's kind of like a three or four out of ten is probably it's somewhere there i i don't know what i would say but i enjoyed it i liked it i didn't laugh at it but there are lots of parts that made me smile um like when i saw sonic tales and knuckles standing there doing their hero pose ready to fight egg man i was i was like this fucking cool this is like i like this this is really neat um and i mean when we talk about video game adaptations sonic the hedgehog too is far and away one of the more faithful video game adaptations at least i guess if we're appealing to some vague general idea of like um kick guy spoiling movie this that was your mistake my friend like you should have known that we were going to be talking about this he started off by telling you what the plot was from the very beginning like when did you decide that he'd spoiled it off yeah that was that wasn't you i and trust me like we talked a lot more about the nitty gritty and moonlight than i just gave you for sonic all right like that's we are we kind of like two apparently i i i you know what it probably is like i in fact i think it might be because like at least the character is a relatively consistent and it has like a theme that is reinforced uh decently um what was that the university on it was the big the big issue that sonic the hedgehog has from plotting is convenience and um the general speedster issues sonic is incredibly fast but his powers are used incredibly inconsistently the clearest example of this is uh when they're in the temple it has the master emerald like eggman standing up there is about to get it but he's doing the hero speech and like ha ha i manipulated and used use shadow the whole time i'm there i'm like dude sonic you could like grab that before before yeah knuckles yeah all i was thinking was you can grab that before like before eggman could blink like you you can get that but you've just chosen not to because we forget that you have these powers and like the the speed at which he goes is like sometimes he's hyper fast like quick silver x-men days of future pass fast other times he's not that fast um and then that just causes like plot issues it's a pretty standard one um convenience being things like uh the clearest one is that um tom goes to a wedding in hawaii like he goes to hawaii for this wedding and um he has a ring that he used to teleport then sonic gave him one that he could use to teleport back um unfortunately while they're in Siberia getting chased down mountain sonic loses all of his rings there's an avalanche and he needs tom to use his ring to get them out safely and that's what gets them to hawaii which is in relatively close proximity to the temple that he needs to go to the like eggman and knuckles found because they got the compass not sonic it's like shit man if they went on like their honeymoon or they had their wedding in like florida or i don't know like france or spain or just anywhere else you'd be fucked like you you'd be over like eggman would get the chaos them or kill knuckles and destroy green hills so it's super lucky that that's the case no other examples of that too that um there's like a dumb plot sequence where they try and where like they get captured by the government in hawaii and um with a girlfriend or like tom's wife and uh the woman uh her sister like they get tails um equipment and they use it to fight the bad guys and it just works exactly as they need it to when they have no idea what it does and they probably could have killed some people with how recklessly they were using it but it's like yeah it's it's it's it's wonky it's quite wonky from a plot perspective um how's it doing do you know uh it's it's the biggest video game opening ever uh more so than uncharted it's making a lot of money people really like it they've already realized it's doing better than uncharted i feel like someone's just got some kind of this this allura power to it that's just very approachable probably well so because uh yeah the film's the film's made a bunch of money they've already greenlit a third movie and a knuckle spin-off show um wow with it yourself yeah they are um oh yeah that's right so we're talking about the characters right so sonic central arc is um that he wants to be a hero but he doesn't really have a great understanding of what it means to be a hero and it's like what tom says right you've got to be responsible for other people tales who i think is pretty flat in this film doesn't have a whole lot going on with him he's much more a prop in sonic's story whereas knuckles feels like he's his own character with his own stuff going on like through tales he finds a friend that he doesn't really have because he never kind of had the capacity to make friends it's like a little blue hedgehog in a human world um and while he's off doing the hero stuff in Siberia sonic like tales getting seriously injured leads sonic to the erroneous conclusion that like in order to be responsible for other people it means to be on his own and to like not endanger anybody by doing everything on his own and that nearly gets him killed um and so like the realization by the end of the film is that being responsible for other people doesn't preclude him from having friends and working together it's like a really straightforward simple arc but i think it's effective um meanwhile knuckles is uh and i think i've said this a few times already i think this is the best version of knuckles like in anything um i definitely prefer this version of knuckles compared to the knuckles you typically see in the games who's like a doofus um here it's like he's naive about the way that things work he's a little bit he's not like he's not hyper intelligent he's not like tales tales are super duper smart like knuckles isn't like a genius but he's not an idiot and he's definitely bound by like core principles like uh you know he has perceptions of like honor and integrity um that are kind of like core drivers for him uh and that's the reason why it's like he finds sonic confusing because sonic is doing things that are like not strictly pragmatic or like he's operating on a way that's honorable in a way that he wouldn't expect considering they're meant to be adversaries and then it's just like yeah coming to the realization that it's like it's not quite as simple the world isn't quite as simple as he's made it out to be and that he can make friends here and he's just naive he's not stupid i like that as a change and like what we're talking about having gravitas for characters in a story like that knuckles the echidna played by idris oba has an oddly high level of gravitas it's like he does a good job i uh i like um i like uh knuckles in this film a lot i really like idris oba is playing the character he's my favorite part of the film like i said though tan was pretty flat he's basically just a prop in um or he's more so a prop in sonic's story than his own active agent and um eggman's just kind of fun because it's jim carry going nuts it's like getting to go wild and um and have fun with the character it feels like he's really having fun with it and it's fun to watch him like i said i didn't laugh at this film once i think the closest i came was the dot dot dot thing but otherwise it's just like yeah it's fun it's quaint lots of uh there's lots of references though which i'm not sure i feel about that lots of like pop culture references and um like sonic is constantly referencing movies and and and stuff but like modern nothing from the 90s or anything does he reference sonic won the movie as a movie no um okay that would be that would be weird but funny see at any point say ha ha ha one no no but but like well so one of the ones that stands out is like when knuckles is chasing him on cyberia he says oh great the winter soldier it's like this joke doesn't make sense to me like is it just because we're in cyberia because there's nothing about knuckles that's winter soldier um he's he doesn't have any crazy memories he's not like mind control agents red maybe yeah but like i don't get the reference is what i mean it just seems like a oh other than it's in the winter is it just that he's red well he's also he's also a mammal uh well no he's a uh what's it called the specifically oh yeah that's right it's like a monotone or something yeah that doesn't mean mark tree the kidneys the kidneys are their only weird fucking thing um maybe maybe isn't a kidney well maybe the winter soldier is a monotone we don't know who knows yeah um but i mean it's not a big deal i guess though i i guess something that i've been thinking about a bit it's uh i really want some of the because i've been thinking about uh like the sonic games that i like kind of in the wake of um of uh this film and thinking about it like sonic mania had these really cool 2d animated trailers that were like you know rooted in the old school classic like 90s sonic um i uh i i think i really like that version of sonic a lot more than like the modern sonic and uh i guess as a part of me that's like man it'd be really cool we have like a 2d animated like i know that they made one in the 90s but like a 2d animated rooted in the classic like sonic um sort of art style like that style but i i guess that's kind of never gonna happen like uh um yeah on it do you have any questions or because there's nothing else really than i got i i just yeah man i i don't know i just don't know what to ask about sonic uh how's jim carrey all right i i uh i i liked him um i thought he was fun he's having a good time he's pretty straightforward he just wants to take over the world i'm trying to think of what question i can ask is more specific but i don't know i know it's called mania adventures i meant a film though like i know that they made many adventures it's really cool i'm just saying i'd like more of that um but i guess we're never gonna get that really yeah i'm trying i feel like there's a question to ask but i don't know what it is about jim carrey's performance i guess it's uh it's well because it's um it's different from like eggman in the games generally like um he's much more zany than eggman typically is but i like he's not zany well he is a little bit but he's not like um but here they sort of dial it up he's definitely not doing lots of crazy like spins and stuff they're getting a belly yeah no he's got the mustache though um are they gonna are they gonna make jim carrey gain shit tons of weight for sonic 3 apparently apparently jim carrey said that he likes the idea of actually playing like fat uh eggman but he's also apparently said that he might be retiring which um i'd be really upset if they didn't get him for the next one i'd like for him to play that role again even if that's the last time he does it um well i suppose that does it for that and we can move on to the quick fire around surprise uh if you if you like sonic the hedgehog you'll probably enjoy the film i like that um yeah but it's it's it's definitely got like plot problems and it's not like it ain't some high art or anything all right like you're it's pretty straightforward standard film but i mean i guess in the current landscape something that's going for uh a really simple straightforward thing that kind of does okay maybe that's worth something i guess but i yeah my uh sweet well um i'm gonna get a drink real quick i'll be right back well i'm getting a drink i'm about to start the quick fire round quick fire oh that's not how it works it's like i i start up a thing and i show you a thing and then you guys say what you're too slow no it's not slow you're being slow not that quick you're doing it so fast ridiculous all right topic four halo this is pretty bad so far oh is that that is the topic it's yeah no but we could spend as long as it takes for rags to get back to talk about it oh well yeah but the problem is now i'm two episodes behind i'm not caught up at all yeah you haven't seen his ass yet i well i have because i'm speaking people are posted about it like it's uh it gets around i've seen a clip as well where apparently one of the spines like they remove these emotional regulators at the face of their spines and so she uses gun oil to dye her hair red um that'll set me that now i imagine that there are a lot of problems with that one like i'm pretty sure gun oil is not hair dyed or just wash out two it probably smells really bad and three it's probably very flammable um sorry the main problem with that is it's cringe it is cringe um now i i yeah uh i just i man that's sure like like i like they're emotional inhibits of breaks or whatever they go through an emo phase well it's just um if if if we know because we do know this we see it in the show that they have a pretty good ability to track what's going on with the spartans can they like not know when an emotional regulator's been removed from their body is that something that they can't keep track of because surely that's like a problem that they're not going to be chill with um also i don't remember that being a thing in halo i always thought that uh generally it was just the spartans became this way through like really intense training and an attitude that they cultivated as a consequence of it i never like that's not or is that or is that just some like extended law thing that i'm not familiar with i have never come across that but i'm not that deep in halo well i i just know three of the yeah it's it's a show thing i thought so i thought so yeah um i hate that i uh but i mean and people keep talking about how they keep removing chief's helmet we talked about that with moon night but i mean i rewatched some cut scenes from halo three because i was rewatching the uh oh brave new world documentary from bungee and i saw lots of cool stuff in there that reminded me of the games there are so many times in the games when chief emotes just through body language and he doesn't say a word um it's you can have him in his armor all the time and you can even have him talk more than he typically does in the games and you can still have him a moat but like they didn't play the game so they don't even know that that's like something that's possible like just because i don't know like a lack of imagination like you can't just because a lot of the time it's like chief will just put a hand on someone's shoulder he'll throw like a nod uh towards like an odst or like when um when or when someone gets killed obviously like in the games you usually see it pretty clearly in his body language that he's upset um like chief is definitely a human being even though he is like a even though he is pretty close to a blank slate there are so much characterization that comes from chief the big one being that he does care about other people like he is not cold and detached from the suffering of other people he wants to protect people and help them and make them feel better and put them at ease like chief emotes through body language but we just decide that he can't do that we need to see his face constantly otherwise we don't know what he means or what he believes it's and i mean especially when there's like no reason to take off your helmet like in so many of these circumstances like you want to keep your helmet on and your armor dangerous territory that you're in like in this space station someone could snipe you they can't do that if you're wearing armor i mean i guess if they landed a headshot in its video game world but yeah i don't know i gotta catch up um but i have very little optimism about that show pretty painful people keep making bad things well so the really fun part people keep liking bad things i say it's fun but it's not um halo got renewed for a second season before the first season premiered i wonder if they think that was a mistake because it feels like the engagement with the show is like is it the engagement is is way poorer than i think anybody could have expected for a halo show um like you see videos on youtube that get uploaded like directly from paramount they have pretty low viewership um all of our months own upload of the entire episode doesn't get that i think had like in a day it had like less than 100 000 views a halo show the budget in excess of 100 million dollars yeah and the marketing's been insane i see it on buses and shit everywhere ads like it's like we have more popular youtube channels than that what's on like halo it doesn't wow halo is a brand that's been that was i was getting real sad when i was watching that brave new world documentary it's like dude halo like halo was dominant and cool for a long time and now as an ip it's it's it has way less value than it used to like nobody really cares anymore um or at least it feels like at this point like nobody really cares and the halo show just um i don't know i think infinite showed that there's interest in halo that the game's problem is just keeping people playing the game it's but people absolutely have the interest in halo no if they made a really cool halo show people would have watched it they would have showed oh oh pardon me but they didn't make that well now that's a teaser beneath app to come one day i'm sure um but now however i'm just gonna show you guys some stuff some of this cringe some of this interesting for other reasons and who knows what you'll get a cringe on the cap this was shared on the web i would be cringe i like to give you guys some cringe here and there you guys seem to enjoy cringe so i'm sorry but you know maybe i'm wrong maybe the stuff isn't cringe and you agree with it i don't know i saw this posted on the interwebs and i decided to keep it for good old this um i i feel it's welcome for anybody to give a read there it's a little fun fact fan theory um ha ha oh really the fan theory seems to be source wall disney studio motion pictures i guess for that picture for the image ray only defeated kylo rin in their first battle because he expected her to be trained as a jedi and better at using a lightsaber her lack of skills threw him off and let her get the upper hand which is of course what training does that's how training works the least trained actually wins contrary to popular belief this is brought a video to mind that i want to show uh it's like 20 seconds so so let me find it and put it in the chat yeah here here we go um this is this i feel is just this video on its own is the perfect response to that okay wait because we're gonna need watch together anyway so let me uh oh my god you all in jump jump right in folks get comfy all right and i will play whatever this is scalagrim and it's called the the ultimate unbeatable fighting style this must be talk about wards wards we seem to be missing someone i'm in there we are all right do it on voluta techniques like the spinning attack or the reverse grip some people try to argue that they are useful because they are unorthodox because they will confuse the enemy and then they will get the upper hand because the opponent doesn't know how to deal with it well correct that is mostly how combat works i believe uh you remember the bad woman episode she had that weapon that no one would ever use that's precisely why she used it yes that's why it worked really well against someone hitting her in the head with a vase yeah well that that's the weak spot if you will so it was very clever yes clever that they used that almost worked almost worked i guess in that case i've just invented the ultimate fighting technique to be fair who's beating this nobody buddy whatever this see yeah yeah he's right yeah he's gonna make it dominate he's gonna dominate he's gonna i'm trying to think like a clean so he's gonna mop the floor with or he's gonna make a clean sweep of the competition or he's gonna i don't know there's something there there's something there no to kill them seems only natural that i that were on star wars vaguely so um you know i released tfa part four and there were different comments here and there on different forums about the nature of the video even on the video itself um oh that's who would like to read that this is a comment about that very video anyone welcome to give it a shot well it's about tfa part four i'm not sure if it was on tfa part four but hey uh i just read it at the first part yeah wow this is the last emil kadra okay um let me see i strongly recommend author of this video to seek professional help only someone with severe mental issues can make a two and a half hour video about seven-year-old movie true everyone normal when they see a bad movie they are disappointed sure may even maybe even angry that they just spent a couple of hours of their life watching bad flick but i feel like this needs an accent but in the week or month they no longer think about that bad experience sure they remember that that particular movie is bad but why should they waste their time because of bad movie they already waste more than enough so normal people moves on only someone who is mental still wastes his hard time to keep talking about how bad that the movie was even though seven years later everyone knows and no one cares because that's what normal people do like where's the lie this guy's right i shouldn't be talking about tfa anymore really that was seven years ago wasn't it yeah that was a lot of that was a lot of truth bombs and not a lot of time i will say that i like that he said remember you know they remember this is the same writing style as that copy past so it's like all women born after 1993 know is eat hot chip and lie it might be the same person and lie yeah yeah yeah i mean listen glad the mirror was stilly over here he's had a he's had a tough life with the ladies so he's just trying to help me and i appreciate that um so meanwhile while he is trying to help there was a good old forum was like molar uploaded again and then someone had a top comment was just like why would anyone watch this though and then uh when i was like well what's what's even in this that it takes this long we got this little back and forth right here yeah i got a little quotations this is an assumption of what's in the video well uh in star wars episode seven rey has rights and considering women's rights were in a thing until the 1900s it's unrealistic considering star wars is set a long long time ago which makes this film political why did 60 people like that well because that's to be fair that does sound like something that would turn up in my videos doesn't it why i i mean it must be fun and easy to argue with a non-existent person like like wait what i don't think i've ever said like they made it political rey doesn't have rights in episode seven exactly that's the outrage i think the true outrage she's she's just like a scavenger like works for like basically isn't and then basically indentured servitude for scraps of food kind of yeah the fuck this college people exactly so i would have found it realistic and then you got lost mouth of what and they're like you haven't watched a single molar video and it's obvious negative 37 people dislike that they were like of course we have this is exactly what he says well no because they followed up with a great one which is why would anybody watch want to watch them all the videos like how do you have this circular every time like you could you could always justify everything wow moeller said this lol no he did you haven't watched it why would i watch it but it must be nice to live in that world where you can simultaneously never watch anybody's content and dismiss it as dog shit the same it's clearly a joke it is a joke but it's the underlying element of the joke is this is what i do in my videos i talk about how things are getting too political people really need to understand that jokes can imply things and like yeah have an underlying sentiment like just like any other kind of speech it's kind of like it's just a prank bro like almost it's just a joke bro it's like hold on what what are you saying about something wait i mean the joke isn't that like the the aspect of like not understanding this being a joke right would be someone reading this and saying i can't find that quote anywhere in the video exactly this is misinformation right and then you'd be like that's clearly it's a joke that um well and and if everyone in the room laughed and then one went it's so funny because it's the complete opposite of what he'd say they all be like huh no no it's funny because that is the kind of shit that he says and then someone else is like is it and then someone else goes yeah do you not know who Mueller is and they'll be like no i have no idea does he is this is he cringe and he says stuff like that and they'd be like yeah yeah yeah yeah if someone went do you say literally that they're like i don't fucking watch his videos to find out if he literally said this quote like they have that moment happen and they're just like that's fine i don't watch it but i know what's in it how is this Mueller's fault um you know it's it's a never-ending it's like there are um there are people in the like i don't have enough time to keep tabs on everyone in the world there are people in the world that i assume if i got to know better like the kind of stuff they did i probably wouldn't have any respect for it but i don't go around writing shit about them most like it's weird how people how many people are oddly comfortable with coming to pretty harsh conclusions about not only Mueller's work but his character based on like nothing stuff they haven't seen anything yeah or like something that they heard that isn't even true or like a really warped retelling of some sort of events it's like chinese whispers is very much a thing that happens on the internet big time like i don't know shit about rush limba i assume that based on what i've heard about him i wouldn't like him but i don't know i don't i don't know what kind of do you often go into comment sections yeah i don't know what a fucking loser like yeah i don't do that shit um so again i'm talking to someone this is something that someone linked in the subreddit i just thought it was funny in terms of an arc all right and we've all been on this one okay everyone's familiar with this except for a few where you watch force awakens and you feel a certain way and uh let's just let's just see what that way is for no anything to this particular youtube but this is just a funny thing to have as a comparison in japanese and english is incomparable it's completely alien and you have to always change your way of thinking but i remember sitting in this pub and talking to my friend asking for hours on end i may have gotten the wrong timestamp i don't know hang on yes i did i was a minute out gosh dawn everyday life in japan ten essential questions answered this is the video where yes yes uh don't it's a particular snippet of which the results will be announced in the next few weeks if you enjoyed this video please don't forget to hit the like button if you want more and i wish you all a merry christmas and for the record the force awakens i would give it an 8.5 out of 10 it was pretty good definitely worth watching see you all soon so it's just like good old-fashioned normal then they link this video from this person a little while later well i guess because like it's a weird subreddit post i think it even said like he went on an arc or whatever but uh i love star wars but there's only two it was 35 55 in this gosh difficult to get right boy okay the same dude he's on like a little podcast i suppose all right 35 what did i say 35 55 yeah you did say that okay good uh we are dying that'll this is a very purple room that'll this is a very purple room it's very regal very i don't i don't dislike it i don't dislike i like yeah it's it's a fine it is a fine shade of purple i approve of the purple very good imagine star arrived late the jango jetpack bit was the pettiest thing i've ever seen on on e-fan my dude this is that was the pettiest thing you've ever seen oh come on fake fan detected do you think they took the court thing seriously they were like more was treating rags jay and friggy as judges this is the lowest i've seen you fall like you okay well you've been pretty petty right now the funny thing is the dude who made the comment was in a like seemed to be aware of the memes like don't worry you'll be okay super chatter don't worry about it you're gonna make it i'm leaving you anyway the walls but good it's not petty to call it okay oh did we miss it did we miss it two films in the series that good the first one the second one came out in nineteen ninety ninety seventy seven nineteen away eighty oh every day so four and five yeah can you say first and second i was like Christ Jesus Christ dude i love the first and second film all the prequel memes yeah oh yeah they're pretty good three prequel memes are the best memes but i want to swallow it he swallowed a pill of some kind i just i just thought it was a music when i followed the purple pill he just said like yeah the fucking i love star wars there's gonna be two films in the series that good it's like something happened along the way you can probably find several clips of me out there no same for me i'm i'm sure as i was saying a lot of people went on that are they do and for the same for me i liked it when i thought it was really good when i first watched it although long time ago i'd have to rewatch it but i might still still stick to row one being good i have not seen it since it came out i've only seen it the once yeah i'm in the same boat i don't know probably not but maybe if i was gonna gamble on one of them actually being good that might be it i mean do we do we all know do we all like remember it as good because it actually is i don't do like the same thing as i was awakened but it's not a significant so it's a state escape criticism as much i don't think i don't think i think of it as good ever i thought i only ever thought of it as the strongest one um i mean good i mean it's been too long since i've seen it now so my opinion on it's so fucking worthless that because i just barely remember most of it i didn't hate my life after i saw it so it's got that going well i didn't hate my life first watch the fours awaken well it's a nice time but the thing is that thing was purpose built to make you feel nice when watching it do a watch and row one wasn't row one was sort of like yeah you sort of grim in many ways it was a bit slapped down a bit well i mean i'd be curious i still want to i'm still really curious about what the original cut of that film was so um hey jade you want to take this one so a small comment all right i just i feel like it might sure of a punch are you reading it uh gotta get that tone right okay all right what what kind of tone are we looking for here whatever you choose and don't worry i will explain the context of this quote after you read it i don't think i heard a single actual criticism just chimps howling and asking for the answers to questions immediately lamau efab this is some objectively shit content you're putting out get it together lol i wish we could see the dislikes on this video because i know it's fucking bad what is this video right also you can see the dislikes very easily i was about to say first of all he could if he wanted to well i guess k-lab could be a deal's name theoretically i don't know they the the access to imply that a girl could be this dumb that is that is rude to me i'm sorry but uh the i think we should refer to them by their surname they are of an opinion and they could have gotten the answer if they wanted to but now i think it's amusing this video concerns the four of us plus metal what video is it i feel like it's unfit to make you guys guess oh oh oh you're narrowing in on it yes it is book of boba that episode which is a particular episode oh no i mean episode six no no it's gonna be an early one because as they're complaining we want everything explained immediately right hmm um so it's what's the one with like episode two then maybe it's episode five well i guess right right right got it uh it is the gun train they are set with our coverage of the gun train which by the way i thoroughly enjoyed watching back i thought it was great that little episode we did but then again i had a lot of fun doing the whole book about that thing so shall we discover what the likes we're at at the time let's yes yeah let's take a look let's see how much people hated the gun train ah dude that's 10 people that's almost a dozen this is a this is one of our best ratios you bought it what's the what's a normal what's a normal e-fap like this like ratio we hit like 95 percent around about that we um we're planning controversial this episode i'd imagine after everything we've said about lego moon night and uh not sonic everyone's happy with the sonic tick this will test the faith of the righteous yeah like hmm don't know if i agree with that so on the stream we've currently got 16 dislikes damn oh we're already in excess of that oh someone as i said that someone undisliked oh what a chat either a chat or a coward one of the guys i judged you too harshly now since we're on uh the topic of boba fat i'm gonna read the first part out and then show the actual image once i get to the second part because i just i feel like the timing on this needed okay so i'm in a tweet saying they made boba fat say he doesn't care about money the man who only cared about solo Han Solo's bounty value in empire agreeing to his freezing on condition that he get compensated for damages by the empire this was frustrating me of course someone gave me a reply in form of a tweet i'm gonna i'm gonna give you all you'll post it there you go so it says if you have a problem with that let me introduce you to dick in the christmas carol oh but here's the thing ebony's or screws went on a fucking journey yeah he went he was visited by three fucking ghosts who showed him the the the the christmas past present and future the whole story the whole point the whole story of christmas carol is basically how a dick turned into a nice person i also i'm not i'm not vibing with the formatting of this person's insult right um because ultimately what they've said here is they've said if you don't like that thing here's another story that does it which that doesn't that doesn't have to really help any i guess we'll just appeal to you're not gonna shit on the christmas carol are you which yeah that's obviously the idea oh well like if we went we won't do anything we'll shit on shakespeare right if we weren't yeah we wouldn't look like there are some problems here we'd be like well that's not very good is it who sings on a balcony three out of ten because like uh baked into my perception is that there has been no arc to justify it otherwise i would probably not put the comment that way and he's like let me introduce you to a film that's all about a character being affected by many sources of new information to change him fundamentally it's like yeah that'd be great but they didn't do that so um but i just mean listening to that out of context just sounds hilarious like you got a problem with both that what a buddy time for you to see dick in the christmas carol okay um i did i did of course consume it soon afterward realized just how wrong i was it's a quite a wake-up call as they say now um i guess i'll just read this one out pretty quick okay so there's a little article and it says is cad bane really dead look at boba fat has a secret clue like oh um yay i i'm i guess i'll just show you the the image of this is a portion of the article okay there's a little more to it but when i saw this one quarter portion of an article resists just getting it to be shown i like it so i like it because it's so committal for now the answer is yes cad bane is dead unless he isn't that's that's how i that's actually how i narrowed it down it's one or the other come on appreciate it is either one side of this dichotomous proposition the article basically posits that there's a bleeping light and his droid might be on the way to heal him but we don't know so as if they need that to justify bringing him back yeah somehow palpatine somehow cad bane returned that's all they don't even need to give him robot parts like they don't even like every robot parts is like every star wars race have a longer lifespan than humans but it seems like what happened for like 70 years old well people tell us he's supposed to be um they're supposed to have shorter lifespans than humans apparently his race who are who are him and nemoidians nemoidians is that what he is yeah he's like he's like the trade federation guys yeah oh wow i didn't know they could be blue that maybe that's what threw me off were they always blue or am i having horrific mental i think they're not blue in i mean i imagine them they can be different because he doesn't sound like a asian at all so that's what threw me off oh yeah i see how they're the same species now yeah i see now yeah if they just seem so different you know i used to i used to live in a world where all nemoidians look the same um but then someone said that my eyes were open the extension used to determine those dislikes only estimates are based on views and likes um that wasn't my screenshot that was some stuff i saw in the discord so i assumed whatever was used was accurate if it's not um i can get the actual ones but i don't think anybody's gonna care extension used only estimates dislikes apparently i first i've heard of it but i don't know i'm gonna check that right now because i can go on to the um public pages of my videos to see how many dislikes they yeah they have and then go into the private analytics to see how many dislikes you know compare it oh everyone's saying he's a duros i've never heard of that but since everyone's saying it must be true well they're showing the blue guys but when he googled nemoidians molars racism i was told this okay i how would i have found out about any of this duros first off yeah here's a duros xenophobia get your shit straight i i no it's not xenophobia when they're different species yeah isn't that what it is xenophobia xenophobia is um i don't know actually that might have a broader definition xenophobia in my understanding is for people like from different nations but well yeah that is what it's useful but yeah the same is how um illegal the root word the root word zeno the root the root word zeno mean you know from essentially from the outside right would just bring when that applied to strange right potentially so yeah it could apply to alien species i'm gonna look up a definition for xenophobia because in sci-fi settings that's typically the word that they used for having prejudice against an alien species is your not the definition on google is just like a prejudice against people from other countries well it's going to be the standard definition yeah well that's because we don't have actually have aliens to use it for right yeah but it seems strange i think but in the setting of star wars they would say xenophobic um he is a duros that's that they are not they look similar though the nemoidians and duros well that's i i literally told that i don't know if it was in discord or not but um maybe they're like volkins and romulans where they're like the same but different um oh the well here's the thing so how old is cad bay well i would chat that was our chat when they when we were doing the boba fest stuff they were saying that he's he's too old or whatever that he shouldn't be alive or at least should be much more frail you know he's like yeah so according to this they live um like uh hang on wait their lifespan is oh yeah their lifespan is about 70 years well it i mean i mean clearly it's true i mean look at him yeah he is about 70 and he dies doesn't he that's true the lower holds up they all get stabbed by boba the fat all right video time oh you guys uh i know the disc goes away or this one i'm there look what i i didn't i didn't want to bring him back up okay but it's a one minute video all right one minute i'm tempted to try and force everyone to just listen to the minute and then crawl up into a cave and die but okay um at the same time you know what if you want to pause you can this is our old friend the arcane analyst yeah he's got some opinions to share the guy who made the he makes the shorts right which video is this smaller this one is called i'm a dingus broken characterization one minute analysis oh all right that's a hefty claim arcane is indeed back we've we've been jumping through a lot of years okay so here i just i'm sorry about this i really am but ultimately like i've been forced to i couldn't i couldn't not do it i'm sorry okay so watch together does not want to show us this apparently how do i what do i do okay so i was noticing something just reloaded it's no okay let's try all right here we go this is a character we're told is a scientist will he never show him doing science we're told or he implies that he's like that it's for mobile shorts then is that shorts have to be in this aspect ratio yeah pretty sure oh i thought there was a design for um no design for mobile i'm just i'm so surprised that that took precedent over what he said rags i i think it doesn't do any science but you won't pay any attention because i was paying attention i was distracted by the weird see i was better than i was better faith i said that it took precedent yeah it's like it's it's i just see something that looks weird and because the light hits my eyes before the sound waves my brain gives it precedent you know what i would imagine that the light waves hitting your eyes it's comfortable like that it is a distinction without a difference with how close no it's way different oh it's way i felt the eod between the how far are you from your monitor huh well it doesn't matter how far away you are it's still it's light it's going to be moving faster the dolls are particularly good with the far enough if you're far enough it will i'm like 16 miles away from my monitor right now yeah even then it will still be basically instantaneous no oh no not at all no there's going to be a big difference for between sound and light wait hang on no i'm 60 miles away i'm saying 60 miles away for a light perspective is going to be meaningless for sound it's going to be significant yeah because we're talking about the difference between right is it coming from you hearing it from speakers from 60 miles away we can go well yeah exactly that but but even no but the point is that even even if you were hearing it like they're very far away if you're watching it from 16 miles away but you had your speakers on the the speed at which light moves would be such that it basically would be faster i'm pretty sure still because i like would it would definitely be faster than sound yes well i know no light is always faster than sound what i'm saying is like even if you have the sound stuff next to you when you were like a hundred kilometers away the light gets you faster there are mediums that like can move through that slows it down right so that might be something that to oh yeah well i'm under water right enough that it's slower than sound yeah well not that works i'm gonna do it but doesn't it take like hundreds of thousands of years from uh light to get from the center of a star to the outside many physicists in chat yeah we've got a lot of physicists in chat i'm sure yeah nothing takes hundreds of years in the solar system in terms of moving it's like nothing at all i think nothing takes hundreds of years for moving what are you talking about like the light in the solar system like anywhere from any direction at any like the solar system isn't big enough for it to take keep saying yes it does hundreds of years i'm right the light or the energy that's produced within the sun what's so the energy now the light that's produced your the light that's produced in the sun it takes how long it takes anywhere from because our because i think our solar system is about half a year long it takes anywhere from four thousand to millions of years from a photon from the center of the sun to leave it no everybody's because people are saying eight minutes it takes eight minutes from the surface of the sun to oh yeah yeah that's um from the center of the sun to the surface of the sun how long does it take you i don't care well if you don't care that's fine we're invested we don't care no we don't we need to stop now we need to berate that person for ruining the day of everyone watching this stream well that was what because oh yeah that's right wasn't that that's right this discussion for i do not care listen okay anything to delay this take i can see that's why this is happening now i've forgotten anything that's been said i remember the visuals because light is faster than sound but i'm gonna have to roll it back so that i can rehear the words that were right i'm gonna be one minute analysis i think your brain was protecting you okay and the fact you've rolled it back your brain is my brain always protects me my brain doesn't put me in danger um i think you'll find that that is more than possible because you've just done it definitely not put yourself in definitely not get ready to enter a coma rags okay i'm just saying safe is the safe is a bug in a rug they're not safe snug is a bug yeah they are they're snug what are the houses on fire rags rugs huh what are the houses on the rug will insulate them from the spooky flames with the rugs on fire oh there was a i drove by a house uh just the other day i think it was actually yesterday it burns down changing the goalposts the goalposts you burned down the goalposts and it had burned down okay we just noticed the house had burned down it's like oh man that's not good okay here we go all right so i was noticing something about hymenator this is a character we're told as a scientist will he never show him doing science we're told or he implies to us that he's altruistic but they never show him doing i thought we wanted to play it all the way to the end it's up to you guys well like the whole minute oh i thought that's what well that's not fair use is it um well it's because it's designed to be like a shot in the arm or something okay well then he does do science though we don't we see him like actively sort of working with with like what does it mean to do science for me because i don't think we see him put a potion into another potion do that yeah we don't we don't see him use test tubes yeah uh so he's not doing science he literally seems to understand things that are told to him of a scientific you know area and he takes a deep interest in observing scientific processes around him and experiments around them and he is also in charge of like the head of science but the college yeah he's he's the he invented science he's in charge of all science the scientific killer of piltover he's the CEO of science he always has opinions um of scientific on scientific matters he always offers his perspective and it's it has i mean well the implication of the statement is that he doesn't do science it's like well he definitely does you just don't see him do it explicitly in like a lab with potions and stuff which i think is irrelevant yeah it's not like it's not like that we're told hey this is heimerdinger he does science and then he just never does it's that we can infer that he does science based on his interactions with other characters he's a laboratory he's familiar with all of the repercussions of this different pieces of tech he inspects their tech several times to approve it well i mean oh wait why are we pretending that they're because like a head researcher in a team is not necessarily going to be the person who's like in the lab pouring all the stuff into the test tubes but he's still a scientist well you know who we do see doing science it's mainly victor and jace i wonder why that is probably because their invention is a revolutionary at this point in time and they're they're more so forefront characters it's like so weird thing to say but what is this in favor of what character what point are we making about this character but they never show him doing anything to help people we're oh we're gonna rewind oh boy he never show him doing anything to help people that's just wrong but he never showed him doing anything to help people he helps echo he's supposed to be altruistic but he's never shown doing anything to help people so episode two he saves jace from being expelled from piltover yeah like he didn't have to do that and and at the forefront of his mind when it comes to all of the science is protecting people it's not actively going out saving people's lives trying to prevent bad his happening that is that characterization is that he's quite possibly the most altruistic he just doesn't have enough information to be effective yeah the things that he does from his position of authority helps a lot of people particularly in terms of safety now i don't that's where the discussion comes in oh yeah you know how helpful is we talked about this uh you know coverage but i don't think it's an accident the beginning of episode four he describes the uh stanley pedidli stanwick pedidli or whatever as a person who cared more about progressing everybody and you know fixing to be a great world rather than his own like legacy which to me is supposed to probably foreshadow hymening his fate in this being that he's fallen completely from his high stature and power and position all the way to the bottom of uh quite literally the bottom of society that's where echo and his people are and he's probably going to help them quite a bit and it's going to have cost him basically everything prestigious but that's not important so i think it's pretty weird to say that he's also highlighting that like the show is trying to tell us he's altruistic but he doesn't help anyone this is like huh interesting take but all right what else we got that's that's the first two we're told he's a great leader pilter but they certainly never show him doing good job reading and we're told he's a more uh they never shown doing a good job leading i would actually argue he does a pretty great job of being a leader that's not suitable for this council they're all people who are willing to fuck him over he's not willing to fuck anyone over yeah i how do you make this is a guy who seems to have devoted a lot of time to this show but he gets a lot of very very very basic facts about the show i was like he's like you totally miss them what was he watching during all this time so i mean like the idea is to state all of these things like a machine gun so confidently and they're all wrong he's a very chill and normal dude and he wants everything to be done securely and safely and it's not about you know in a like what could be implied that he gets it done on his own timeline or something he's just worried that when it's uncontrolled it'll result in damage which is like illustrated over and over again throughout this show as well as his history like i don't see how that would be evidence of his poor leadership or him getting screwed over it's not exactly fair because he never thought that they would backstab him so yeah but we've established now that he's a poor leader poor character in terms of altruism and a poor scientist when we told the opposite for all three it's like man mortal who not exactly shown him living forever either so what i'm gonna replay that i'm gonna i'll replay it i'll replay it told he's a more oh fuck sorry uh god this one's special mortal who not exactly fucking why would it go back we're told he's a screen reader built over but they certainly never show him doing good job reading and we're told he's a mortal who not exactly shown him living forever either okay so you can never show anyone living forever that's just not possible you can't do that so they don't say they don't ever say he's immortal they say he lives for a long ass time what can it what is a better proof that telling us he was here when the city was founded everyone everyone in the city readily accepts this information they state it to be true it seems to be true there's how i don't he's the founder of the city and it's a fully fledged functioning city i don't even i'm i'm so confused yeah but jay is this a that's a great question some people asking if this is april fools it is not um they don't show him living forever of course not you knit with well so to be fair if they had a flash forward and everyone's dead and he's sitting there really old and and he says man 10 billion years ago is when uh stuff happened that would have mean they're telling the truth right now seems like they could be lying to us that's what i think let's feel my my best guess is like my best faith guess is just something that he threw in because he thought like yeah of course the like he just threw it in because it fits the pattern beating yours it's not a serious example like it wants to establish pattern if they show they tell us this thing but they don't show it yes and he knows this one isn't serious that's that's best faith he he wants to establish a pattern that the show tells us things about heimeding if it does not show that reality that's what he's trying to do so that he can then make his next point which is so what's going on we all know the rule arcane knows the rule show don't tell so this is an interesting twist but the way it works is actually very straightforward show don't there's not like a scene where it tells you all of these things about heimeding and these are things that you can infer from his diet like this is such a poor okay show don't tell doesn't oh god like to show that someone is a scientist i mean yeah not a rule but like to show that someone is a scientist you don't need to put like an insert shot of them doing science right because that because that that that's almost like following the the the letter of the advice without understanding the spirit of it would be right oh this guy's a scientist how do we show that right well we can't tell the audience so let's just when he's before he's introduced let's just show like 30 seconds of him doing science and then he arrives at the scene so we know he's a science man it's um it's locked in you can't he's fucking what do you think it was all a meme that they all think he's the science guy and he made a bunch of things that work but it was all a joke like he wasn't actually doing it like and then like the equivalent is like to have a natural scene where it comes up like oh have you done any science recently and i like i just a natural scene where it's incorporated into the dialogue and it becomes clear and the audience can infer this character as a scientist he knows what he's talking about when it comes to science he is called that yeah oh so yeah so the fact that that's his title is a professor which is not something you can just call yourself well i was gonna say like you can't you can maybe establish that he's not a scientist from what we see him onwards or something with crazy but like you can't i'm assuming we can't deny it's in stone his science is what helps piltover go from being not a city to the current way it is like that surely can't deny that like otherwise that that means everybody's under a false impression did he just steal everyone else's work also what is the rationale here like how does that work so show don't tell is like it's honestly just a poor translation of naturally integrate the important information into this story that's a better phrasing yeah it's just not as catchy as show don't tell but uh let's well to be fair jay what is his point let's see what it is you don't know what it is yet you'll you'll womb us so this is an interesting twist but the way it works is actually very straightforward show don't tell me story elements feel real and authentic tell don't show makes them feel fake and inauthentic normally why would you want that but here it works perfectly so yeah there's yeah you're and who's familiar rigidly with the facts where we've covered this before we think show don't tell and tell don't throw it all out it's not um it's not as simple as that it's it's a nice rule of thumb at best it's it's built on top of i mean i feel like it is i feel like it's a mistranslation of just naturally integrate the information into the story if you're if you're writing a story where a character would say the information get them to say it if you're writing a story where you would see it and as a part of the thing that you're doing and put it on screen it points you in the right direction in the same way as give you a protagonist most of the influence for guiding the plot you like do i have to you like no but it's a reliable way to get the audience invested in the action of of of the events i suppose take um like a fucking novel right obviously in that instance where the information is being communicated to the story via pros you are telling the audience some things it is it is the nature of what you tell them um rather than simply don't tell them things it is infer information through events and don't just tell them what they need to take away right dude you're you're repeating your points you're reminding me of books hey hey you mentioned books to stop talking about those foul things god damn book we hear hate books books can suck my dick down with the book handle books normally why would you want that but here it works perfectly why because this is how you write hypocrisy it's how you write a fraud and that oh really this has got to be a joke we're getting to the point now here it is that's how they want us to feel about Heimerdinger we're supposed to feel like Jason and Victor are the real geniuses here they're the ones who really want to help people and this guy's video has five hundred and twenty thousand fucking views Heimerdinger is a past his prime celebrity scientist oh no what the fuck and you know we saw his evidence he had four pillars to support this one of them was absolutely fucking batshit insane the the uh the one is like if you're so invulnerable how come i haven't seen you live forever like what um and then of course there's uh he's not doing enough science he's not nice enough it's like he's a fraud like wow like you were a reporter designed to do a hit piece on him this is his reputation his algorithms abilities he's introduced us as the mentor of life and mentors are supposed to have these qualities but by never showing any of them we become conflicted about what he does show mental qualities he gives really good advice several times as well as good quotes as well as good stories he's literally mentoring echo by the end of the show he mentored victor he mentored jace why do you think they know all they know everything says wrong in this video like every fucking sentence how are you making these claims one of my favorite scenes is where heimerdinger's trying to provide some comfort to victor when everyone knows victor's dying like just desperately trying to work with him the idea is like yeah he's a fraud celebrity scientist the fuck's happening you don't understand like this this video is so mean to heimerdinger who's like such a beloved and lovely character i don't understand how it didn't immediately get more hate like i'm not saying i love this video like like i just i don't understand how this past everyone smells us like this if i was making this video like if i if i genuinely had watched arcane and come to the conclusion all of these conclusions are heimerdinger and i wanted to put that to my audience in a video i would be going okay the first thing i need to do is be really careful because i'm like i'm playing with fire here like i need to be careful how i present these points because people are gonna get mad about this um and he's just gone straight in with it he's a fraud fuck him he's a piece of shit um i'm like no overwhelming i don't understand i i feel it this make me reevaluate my understanding of the world and people's perceptions and like it's got over half a million views and people adore this video and everything in it is just full of lies it's so fucking it's so fucking depressing like dude i'm all willing to believe information about the show he but he's been watching so much arcane he's like torn himself into pieces connecting things together that are just it's like that board of information from uh always sunny in philadelphia where he's just like i figured it out i'm hitting is a fraud you're all just like huh where what why why he's like he's not even that old that he can live up to that and by the end we see that he can't so that's three out of the four immortality seems to follow this pattern but it doesn't actually fit into it's not immortality what what why would you throw an immortality into there it was totally arbitrary you there's no reason for that to have been in there sorry what was the ending there he's introduced us as the mentor of life and mentors are supposed to have these qualities so by never showing any of them we become conflict also this was reversed the immortality thing was that the immortality thing was there so he can plug one of its other videos oh and by the end we see that he can't so that's three out of the four immortality seems to follow this pattern but it doesn't actually this fucker spent 12 minutes editing a video and lying for a minute so that he believes this were doomed i just don't know how he came to conclude all of this it's insane like the it's like he clearly didn't watch the show it's a basic information you know doing much science for a scientist you're an invincible immortal huh don't see you living forever what um yeah so i saw that by chance in my recommended that i was like you are not serious this is not an actual argument it's a joke video it's gotta be a joke video he's just forming clips or algorithm or so how can you watch i got us don't worry what believes shani i think it's davis alone now go ahead make some more videos however i've got something completely different for you guys a short from youtube about arcane what i don't know where did you want and it's not it's not shani this is this is a guy called am i stuck in a time loop out of frame i think is what he's called i i hate to say it but uh all right the title of this short is arcane was good it's characters wound what so well it is an interesting hook isn't it it's the kind of hook that i just don't even want to explore i'm just like if i see this in my recommended's i'm like no where you're wrong i'm not don't even watch the video how can i'm struggling to see like i don't think i could picture a piece of media that i would describe as good if none of the characters were good like the characters are the lens through which you view the all of the other aspects of the story well let's find out if you can't if you can't latch onto that how do you have a good plot or message or maybe and they have a minute to explain why it has i'm sure the one they come on bold a bold of you i'll admit that arcane ended up being pretty cool but is no one else a little tired of movies and tv or streaming shows that are primarily centered around essentially bad people for those who haven't seen it bad people i guess i hope that's that's the different i'm saying that the characters aren't good if yeah this is totally different conversation and so yeah if then the title means arcane was of top quality but its characters were of low moral standing that doesn't quite ring as cool does it that's like yeah i guess but um well it depends a lot of them for example like katlyn maybe like exactly what i think a lot of them are just doing their best right i will also yeah that's why i was starting with katlyn i was like she's pretty squeaky clean i don't think you could be like oh well she's done a few dubious things like no she's pretty good throughout well i don't know what i was gonna say but really if someone went not going to count vi right she like steals from people and i'm just like um i mean how do we like what if you commit one immoral act you're not a good person you know like it's it's a little bit more complicated than that but anyway let's let's see exactly who maybe we're referencing i don't know because if it's jinx like yeah i mean you got a dead to rights on that one i suppose it arcane opens with a group of kids breaking into someone else's apartment and stealing everything they can one of the kids powder takes a sack of mysterious blue orbs from an obviously special case and instead of simply pondering an orb or two when she gets home by the way we're halfway done yep we're halfway done yep we're halfway she drops one in her hurry to escape it explodes which is by the way just so we're clear not her fault that's not a moral act you cannot criticize it for that she had no fucking clue those things were going to fucking explode yeah the the moral act so far is theft i guess yes that is a moral act yeah and you can say as a consequence of her attempt at thievery there's an explosion but the idea that she would have caused this like deliberately in any way she performed is is fucked you can't say that this sort of becomes a theme with powder thing is i kind of hate all she accidentally drops orbs well she does blow up again you're acting in bad fate yeah you know what i'm gonna agree with the video micah all right i was having fun no cruel rags it's not allowed to be a little fairy i was having fun she's an orb dropper she's a filthy fucking orb dropper don't defend her it really sounds like it means something man like that i don't know what i'm saying i'm sorry yeah it just sort of rolls off the tongue in a way you're fucking orb dropper like that orb dropper it just feels like a thing that people would be called yes breaking into my house dropping my orbs theme with powder thing is i kind of hate all these kids and i don't hate clagger too i guess because they stole from jace i really love the guy who got robbed either in the end while the show's writing is surprisingly good for a show based on league of legends there are very few characters i actually this is an utterly worthless yeah that's you liking them actually this is a worthless video this is a video about your shit taste it's not a video about how the characters aren't good the main thrust of evidence is the opening scene where they rob jace i mean that he even takes the time to be like i don't even like jace really either it's like like how can you argue that jace is of poor moral standing i guess there's like he got robbed the piece of shit he has that one moment where he's like hey fuck his orbs were dropped if you're from you can't trust people from the under city and Victor's like i'm from the under city i think that's like the worst thing that jace ever does is he says says something that's a bit probably shouldn't have said that mate well and that's the thing like that's something that was simply too based so they're too human is that the problem you don't like see it eddie will do anything right yeah writing is surprisingly good for a show based on league of legends there are very few characters i actually care about at all because most of them are just kind of horrible people thieves killers corrupt politicians i'd love to what about the ones that are i cannot i cannot help but notice that you simply didn't highlight all of the very morally upstanding people it seems like i just couldn't help but notice that you didn't he did he highlighted jace and then didn't say what his problem was with him was he was like i don't like him fucking i mean moves on for like the guy whose whole thing is like i want to root out corruption i want to make technology that helps people i that's the whole point of my life i just want to help people get rid of corruption it's like why bitches got a life reviews i don't get it oh uh to be accidentally killed a kid to be fair i don't think you can hold that against jace morally when in terms of like he's under attack he's desperately trying to defend himself from being fucking murdered and one of his shots hits a kid like that i don't know how that would go in a court exactly but i mean it's not a yeah it's not a moral thing especially seeing how jace reacts to that having happened yeah it ruins him anything it shows that he it shows that he's got a lot of moral conviction that he wants to stand up to and that he wants to exude it looks very if we're judging us as the bird's eye audience see people then we know that jace did not want that to happen and it changes his mind on war like entirely so i'm a bad person after it's a bit complicated isn't it he's killers corrupt i also like that the the main villain the whole fucking season is being highlighted here is like see they're bad people like yeah he's yeah this is bad stuff bad bad yes politicians i'd love to meet someone why was the only highlighted piece of evidence in this video yeah powder she dropped a thing by mistake and it blew up he spent more time with the orb dropping than the breaking into the apartment which is yeah yeah it's probably bad but that's not actually connected to his point um i know it's almost like incidental he said he accidentally sets up the thing that has a moral component to set up the orb dropery which doesn't have one at all and then he's just like we need to do more go see drop more herbs in the future he would be in like i just oh and as the super chat just highlighted by the way the image he used for politician is toy maker uh he's just a guy who says like which toy do you want to give as a gift remember that's all that guy is he's not anything else i was i was about to say who is that guy i didn't even like recognize him thieves killers corrupt yeah that's just guy who's a better example of a corrupt politician also killers doesn't mean you're immoral murderers does yep well be a killer and be a good person i'll give it to him i i'm more like because the funny part to me is like yes you use silco so i can infer what you mean but at the same time why the hell do you silco like if you're trying to prove they're a they're evil people in this show why would show it for palpatine star wars exact palpatine and darth vader and boba fat oh wait that but he's a changed man now of course yeah rags the hell he's a good guy yeah he's a good guy now i always forgot okay he went on a long journey politicians i'd love to meet someone in season two who's actually worth rooting for who's with this clown world that we're in the interesting look it was a bad point made badly it was so dishonest like you can't think of one moral kid how fucked is your moral compass if you can't watch a show like this and think and notice a good person how fucked are you bizarre shit that's insane that's insane what is it with what is it with arcane and youtube shorts that are just from the sample size of two they're just you're unfortunately our arcane coverage is not yet over there's one more so this one's kind of just funny it's a comment all right and i think it just has to be appreciated all in one it's quite a it's just i i saw it after our arcane coverage in our comment section and i was like what in the world does all of this mean free reign whoever wants to take it you go right ahead okay this one well well i've learned there's something wrong with me i love arcane and i love efab but i couldn't listen to these streams i can't bear all the platitudes omg did you look did you see this part and how uh they this was fantastic it just makes me cringe or thing i know it makes me cringe it just makes me cringe or thing well i guess i prefer i just prefer to listen uh to people criticize with accuracy rather than accurately praise anyway yeah arcane is fantastic but stafu this is a very confused comment like it's accurately right what what is that this is like yeah it's good but shut the fuck up like what yeah i'm confused by this one i just i sometimes think of the comments section they just i think some people write comments not expecting anybody to read it it's just an expression of a thought they have however unfilled right however and then when you read it it's like yeah because i just read this i was like this sounds like just you you know this is just feelings flowing around you haven't made the thought yet but you put it on the page anyway arcane is fantastic but shut the fuck up with your accurate praise like what it's bizarre guys this is the most raw expression of humanity next to um bathroom graffiti so of all of the so what is your favorite platitude is it like a bird on the hand is worth two in the bush or fortune favors the bold or omg look did you see this part and how they visit was fantastic that's my favorite because that's my favorite platitude i i've always loved that platitude it's really great i don't know yeah um but if this is just a matter of i prefer it when they criticize stuff it's like okay that's fine yeah sure especially from an entertainment point of view i see what you mean but uh and we did we did criticize this accurately there were some things in here that other the show uh kind of faltered a bit but for the most part it was praise because it's a very very very good show and there's a lot to praise and it's good to explain why those things are praiseworthy um and now we're done with arcane okay we're jumping over thank god i can't take another short i realized this these probably should have been moved to earlier because it would have made a little bit more sense but we're going to halo for just a little bit just a little bit yay first of all halo infinite i feel for me i feel like you're the one that should read we're gonna circle around this is a steam review of halo infinite or rather the forum post on there i think yeah okay maybe that anyway uh let's take a look shall we so titled complaining about halo infinite uh is like going to a concert getting extremely mad because the beer is expensive and the selection too small to get drunk without overpaying and then complaining loudly about it throughout the entire band set to people who are too busy enjoying the music and smart enough to know it's a better deal to get drunk at your local dive bar expect substitute uh except substitute the beer for in-game skins titles achievements etc yeah they might be overpriced in a crappy deal but the game itself is fun as hell you don't go to concerts at huge venues just to get drunk there are better options for that this is a very confused and not again yeah a very confused like what is the sentiment analogy man strikes again it's a pretty it's a pretty poor analogy because what what is my what what are the substitute for the game a different game like a completely different game i can't play halo infinite and then not get um all of the microtransactions and the battle pass content so so like that's just stuffed yeah so the equivalent here would be going to a concert where you're not allowed to drink right or without paying you know you can't have you can't have any you can't get drunk beforehand so a well a concert where well they're talking about um the beer is extremely expensive with a concert right yeah well you should just go somewhere cheaper to get drunk first if you want to get drunk at the concert that's not that doesn't work uh because this concert is one where if you don't drink their beer you can't drink anything at their venue yeah exactly this is so this is like that's a completely valid criticism yeah this band is great i love this band every time they release an album it's got all of these songs and there's a lot of great variety to the songs and man it's just been great i love this band so much oh the band's got another concert that they're doing sweet i'm gonna go to the concert and i go to the concert and it's free admission wow that's amazing oh the band only has two songs that they play and they're gonna keep playing these two songs over and over and over again it's like yeah they're pretty decent songs i guess sure that's cool there's only two songs and the beer is super expensive and all of the merchandise is everything is super expensive it's really really overpriced and normally the things you get for free at other concerts they i have to pay for them here so that's kind of that's kind of not too good and also i could have swore there was a lot more people at this concert a while ago but i guess it's just a few of us left um and they're still playing the same two songs but they say in a few months they'll have a third song so that's neat i guess there that's your analogy fuck off and so yeah go somewhere else to get drug he said play a different game with extra steps basically just yeah fine yeah we'll take your analogy just like fine we'll do what we're all doing which is playing other games um yeah simple as that i like the emotes here a clown brain yeah i guess he was having a lot of fun and he wanted to talk about how much fun he was having but everyone was like fuck this game it's bad for this reason that reason this reason that you know now this has been brought up here and there so i figure we may as well pop it on to make sure it was covered by us the uh the quote in relation to why it is that good old master chief has indeed removed the helmet and is continuing to remove okay here it is so uh pablo schreiber on finally unmasking master chief in the hashtag halo the series at get fandom gaming in order to know a character you kind of have to take the helmet off it's not like in the mandalorian where there's a rule by a deadline uh up slash oh just listen to it dot li forward slash three and eight five y sp do they think we can't get to know the the mandalorian yeah there's so much it's a rule there's so much that's wrong all the fact that there is a rule means that we can get to know him with the helmet on that's how it works if there's a rule then it you know it works in terms of storytelling the rule is just something that they made up exactly yeah it's wrong on multiple it's wrong on multiple levels in order to know a character you don't have to take the helmet off you can absolutely communicate character with a faceless person that's been done many many if you have a voice and a body holy shit by the way it has by the way this applies to robots who don't have the ability to express their face right they just have a static fate like legion from massive name a single character that's a robot you can't like tolly walking tolly zora naraya she wears a fucking mask the whole time we don't know he's not only got like eyes he doesn't really have a mouth or anything that's entirely in the eyes but i mean yeah it's not a martian love in the martian only has eyes who's everyone's favorite character from robot again yeah the fucking robot yeah and i mean if this is a static face and also like unless this unless this is a criticism well unless this is a criticism of the mandalorian and it must be necessarily you must necessarily be implying that we can't get to know who mando is no this is a rule so it's okay what i think happened is he realized oh shit that's kind of like an underhanded insult to a show that we've often said that we've drawn some level of inspiration from yeah no man no it's okay i think that's what happens is a rule that they made up for that show totally arbitrarily that doesn't even make sense it's a stupid rule and they made it up and this is just awkward you're implying that we don't know who chief is in the games like that we've got nothing on him um because we never see his face ever i mean you don't see samus's face throughout like the vast majority of metroid games but to be fair for you they haven't played the games so how would they know that wow yeah true there's a many people are mentioning they're talking about this fucking weird guy in in that star wall movie the cpp 36 whatever he's nobody really knows who that guy is they forgot rd rd rd yeah what about vaden 2d right okay if people are gonna talk about the characters of the ot no one's gonna mention vader or c3po what can you even say is traits of those two none they had their masks on like the whole time almost i mean us who doesn't even he can't even like speak he just goes but yeah no none of them you know you know you know it's really i'm really frustrated as well because i've just realized that a medium i really enjoy is fucking audio drama like man yeah what's it like to enjoy a media that doesn't have characters j oh it's great i hate characters i like well the thing the thing about that medium as well is that the main thing that you can't really do in that is um well visuals but something one thing that i find really doesn't work when they try to do it is action based stories because you know you can't see any of it um i thought i'd prefer the you know the more slowly paced atmospheric character based stuff and you know that's character based so yeah it's just someone statement someone to chat set isaac from dead space however and the first game he dies it just doesn't have a character he's just not he's not a character he's he's a vessel for the player essentially things happen around him a second a second what about us well i was doing the isaac thing right so in dead space two and three he starts taking his helmet off a whole lot more and they actually like make him a character who has thoughts and perspectives and things so not a good example to use isaac from dead space because in the first one it's just not us a lot of you've in chat i've probably seen my face but um the rest of us here well wouldn't matter if they see now a face is at this point because the whole point he's making is that he's gonna have the helmet off during dramatic scenes right wow and just that it's off frequently but like because obviously if we'd seen his face static in an image for years and then we see the whole show with it on it's not like someone would say oh well i know that's what he's talking about it's like no he's talking specifically about taking it off all the time what does this mean like where there's a rule as if his point about writing is subverted when a writer decides that they don't want to do it it just completely undermines everything he just said absolutely because this is just an offhand comment that wasn't thought through very well to defend a decision that was made in a show that was filmed a while ago and he probably knows all the fans did not want this for master chief i'm sure that he does know that yeah um but it's not his choice no um oh i don't know yeah that's that is the justification for this when we all know very well and funnily enough it's not mandos helmet that makes him not have character no it's that character it's like he's an idiot loser fool mask or not helmet or not oh and for the record we're not saying isaac has zero character in dead space the fact that he takes action would characterize him it's just that it's not really comparing him to someone like c3p0 he is yeah he's isaac in dead space one is virtually characterless he um we're talking like bare minimum so that a story can happen kind of thing it they they specifically talked about how in dead space two they were gonna humanize them more give him like speaking lines and because remember he doesn't have speaking lines in the first game he goes oh and ouch a lot but he doesn't have he doesn't like have any lines right he's very blank in that sense yeah and they went out of their way to dead space two and three give him a character and you know also the dead space remix looking damn good i hope so visually i feel like you and i will both jump on that right right absolutely i dead space is one of my favorite games i love the dead space series so i'm very happy to to see that it's getting a remake that at least looks very impressive so we will see how that goes because dead space graphically is it's all right it's you know it's aged okay so we'll see um we'll i i'd love to go back to the issue more with modern graphics and all that delicious lighting and shadows and i'm ready i'm so ready um is everyone familiar with gal Gadot's cringey line from you know on the Nile that thing yes yes of course and all the champagne on the Nile so i was gonna say i probably don't need to play it um but there's i saw this underneath it and i was like it's just funny to think about this this is a comment yeah i remember saying that so can we as a collective finally agree that gal Gadot is one of the worst actresses currently out and has no right being in any movie let alone being a lead okay the however consider consider she is hot that's true it's just so strange right because it's like a collective sort of uh refusal to admit she's a because remember when we did the arc for uh dc or rather like the first half of it second half coming eventually um the the one thing that we like got straight away from one to woman the first one was wow her delivery for several lines you know and then of course there's some fast-forwarding to joss justus league where she's got some famously bad ones um yeah there's not i i'm not aware of any movie where she can deliver lines believably she always comes across as though she's reading them from page and she never gets like inflections right she just sort of alerts them out and uh a big part of it is she's stone face on inflection she's often stone face the only explanation we can come up with is that she's been taught to be stone face she's a model that's how it works uh but not when you're acting you need that shit to move all over the place someone chat said she's in that hot rags listen i mean you are that is delusion like i think i understand i understand that it's objective but let's let's be fucking clear gal Gadot is fucking smoking hot all right like you you don't have to want to ban gal Gadot right like that's like no one has to want to be like to think that she is hot themselves right but but you can't you can't point at someone who is conventionally very attractive and be like nah are they not though hey look she is she's half a cell or some people don't find it hot all right they've all got a taste some people just that's not it's not it for them you know that's fine moving on we've got a video that people wanted us to just check out because it's kind of funny because it kind of relates to how we've covered videos and stuff but uh this this video is called ad transitions are getting weirder ad transitions are getting we may never know what truly happened on that fateful thursday the 11th but what we do know is that dylan faces a lifetime in a dark cold cell in existence in an empty rectangle of a room a lifetime in a dark square space design a website that's what you need that's nice i like that very good every every video starts like every video i say starts like this i think so he's done a lot of parody stuff but that's just that's great uh it's like i also did the hisan parody ones oh the streamers from the 70s and 50s and stuff is it yeah that would make sense but uh yeah ad transitions are getting weird um some of them are really clunky i was actually made fun of in the recent gadelb it was uh you ever think about as gravitational physics or something like that it's like no but okay if i if i ever think of an ad transition like that i'm doing it like you can do it and it doesn't even have to be real i've done two or three at four ads i think i've done pretty much one per gadelb and two on e-fan i think it's the rare context where it's funnier if it's real so the next topic i don't know which one of you should read this one this is a tweet from uh good old movie bob use the next topic oh boy we this really is immediately all right let's click this link just so i make see make sure i get the oh okay i'm gonna make it first now i make mad all right tasty cooking isn't always pretty cooking this double vacuum sealed marinade bag contains an entire chicken that's been fridge marinating in a mix of three different hot sauces sriracha and hot taco seasonings for five days tonight i roast with savory sausage stuffing fingers crossed i just like the bag that he just stuffed things into it like it's with duct tape it looks like a serial killer storage for a weirdo do you have a type of work container and you still this isn't been in the sink for five days the fridge he's been marinating it it's preparing it for cooking rags okay that's the chicken bag that's the chicken bag yeah rags is the one that was confused jay not me i understand it this is all very strange yeah it was just i guess it was odd because it was in the sink and i'm it seems so appealing his bag of chicken is the duct tape it it looks like some sort of like a medical blood bag maybe you find in a video game some post apocalyptic sort of like oh yeah this is a health kit this will give you 30 health points and you're like oh i'd never use this in real life but in video games i can't feel it or smell it so it's okay i would appreciate this back and forth i saw it i was like this is this real lull your obese you're not a person if you call someone fat you don't even like don't even meet us at like your lull your obese just like we got all right but it's like you're not a person it's like oh shit we cracked this up look at his look at the wrong your image of his he did use yes he's an intelligent man yet denying the only thing i can focus on in this image i can't see any other aspects of it he looks like a he looks like a this is pretty tame for him actually he looks like a weird Pixar person i can kind of see that okay oh it's a shame that green he's not here he may have he's okay we'll have to do a different one oh i suppose we could do this one we're gonna have to do it quick okay the idea here and you're gonna have to okay if you can boot the stream you guys you can see it but we gotta we gotta choose what would movie bob have rated these movies called quib gift the great movie bob quiz all right oh wow there's a decent chunk of them so we're gonna have to go quick okay okay okay okay okay okay gotcha so if you if you get a stream up uh okay let me press live on the first one is the turnals what did he rate the turnals oh he gave a turnals a 7.5 i was gonna go with eight we average out to eight then or yes that rejects eight okay uh shangchi what depends on what the other what what depends on what the other what would you say jay i said nine so we can yeah so we can go with eight shangchi yeah we'll settle with eight um i'm gonna go with another 7.5 i'll go with seven probably yeah i can say seven i guess we'll call that seven then go seven yeah go then them let there be carnage i guess i'll just go mid five all right five it is kong and godzilla fighting what's that one six um i'm gonna go with eight point five i was gonna go seven so should we should call it seven seven i think i can see him arguing the like this movie knows what it is sort of thing you know yeah army the dead seven um i'm gonna pass on this one i don't know enough about army god is so awful even i'm like come on moviebomb is defeated too right i'm gonna go five call it even so we'll go with six i guess yeah go with six wonder woman 84 even oh i could see him loving it i could see him defending that's what i'm thinking i'm thinking eight i'm gonna say eight all right um i'm actually gonna settle for that too i feel like that's fair uh mulan seven how do we all have like this moviebomb sets where we're all basically in the same page i'm assuming we're all assuming on mulan that he felt the need to defend this one too um yeah he felt the need to defend it but he didn't go too hard on it because like he you know he does acknowledge that it has issues but you know seven is a good score for a film that he's defending but he you know doesn't want to pretend is perfect next is the call of the wild which is the harrison ford doggo movie no idea i didn't even know he would have seen it so i'm just gonna go with like a five i don't know uh do you give one rank sorry what was it jet well i said four jay would you say above five or below five i don't know i've no nothing about this movie right anyway you all you have to go on is that's harrison ford and a dog oh so we've got four five five so i guess it's five dr do little starring robert downy jr six i'm gonna go i'm gonna try and go for a low one here and say three i'm gonna feel adventurous yeah i feel like i feel like he's got to give some low scores right so i'll go with three as well you know i'll i'm gonna change mine to five so sorry i've stepped down for a second movie bob said to someone you're not a person yeah well they called him fact one so calm down dude he wanted to genocide all of republicans or consumers what is this uh what's this writing system that we're doing here we're guessing we are movie but we're actually halfway through so now we have to average out four votes okay so what did move about give rise of skywalker um i have to pass on this one because i've already i know what he gave rise of skywalker um i'm gonna say i think was it high i'm trying to remember i i i i can imagine him giving this a high one because he's he's kind of ah like a wild card i think he did was low rags i'm gonna say seven and a half seven point five i'm gonna go with nine for you what have you got um well i said two but now i'm not sure i'm almost certain it's a high number um the thing is like that's because i kind of i'm a little bit biased so we can average it out if you want to call it like five or six or yes that's what we've been doing yeah sure we'll just call six uh 1917 i'm seven i'm gonna go with eight i feel like i feel like what his nine i think i feel like he thinks it's very good but he thinks that like oh guys come on it don't don't go crazy with it what do you reckon you know i'm thinking he'll give it a six i think he'll give it a nine i think this is one we got six seven eight nine which puts us at what seven point five which would be eight then seven point five yeah go up to all right that's one no joker actually would oh i could see him being mean to joker i can't remember the score i gave you it's gonna be four three two i'd go with five so we'll go uh four that'll be four then average yeah yeah uh godzilla king of the monsters i'll probably give it like a six or five yeah let's do a five i'm gonna do a five oh yeah five five five seven i guess i'll still average that i guess i'll happily give it all to you as five yeah i think it's still still yeah uh captain plank you probably read this like a seven out yeah i think he thinks it's a seven okay that's a nine oh so seven seven eight nine which means eight all right i think eight yeah eight yeah aquaman uh i'm gonna go five no i'm gonna go six i'm gonna i'm gonna go five i'll say six six six six the sixes have it uh ant man i'm in the wasp five four i'm yeah i'll say five i think i'm on a four yeah i don't think there's anything from the latch on to here but nothing from the hate either solo six ah two eight uh i guess seven i think seven i think you probably like this one but not a crazy amount okay hi i think i'm gonna go six or seven so um all right i'll save it to like a seven then we doing wait so if we're doing i'm six we got a two six seven and oh i said six or seven two should we just call it six oh we'll go six i'm all right we could drop it to a five because of the two oh i seem like fringy doesn't want to stick to the two yeah all right black i think i uh i think i have a different impression i mean i get rather like a nine right yeah like a kind of what i choose dead for i think i think yeah fully ten wouldn't be surprised two tens i'm seven i'm happy with the ten yeah you put on maybe maybe he dot points for like the cgi in the second half you would i i feel like because i know he has to give it something to be nine or ten right you could put it at a nine yeah if you guys are that high and i'm the low ball at seven then just give it a nine okay we'll go nine baby driver yeah i imagine he really likes it i'll give it an eight i think he's is what he would do uh i was gonna say seven so eight we got two sevens two eights so i'll give it to eight resident evil the final chapter i have no clue uh well let me we're fine i don't know is that what well let's just say i'm trying to my thought process is if i go with a three i don't match onto as my my thing right um i i feel like he didn't hate it but he didn't like it either i feel like he wouldn't want to praise this too much but he also wouldn't want to just shit all over it i don't know yeah yeah in my mind movie bob doesn't see this as a movie he maybe he's as like as this is like a fun silly movie that doesn't have anything to say which for him will put it a little bit above average i think because it's not a movie with like a any any fucking message so it's it's like a popcorn crunchy movie which i think for him would be at a five or six so i'm gonna say ooh i'm torn between five and six what are you guys at uh i think i'm on a four i was gonna say five i think i'm yeah i'm happy to just call it a five because i'm i'm average at skating between all those numbers so uh ghost busters the waman one like eight yeah yeah i'm uh yeah i'm happy with eight yeah sausage party um i think i'll go with star food uh i'm gonna go for yeah i'll be happy on four yeah okay all right let us see what happens that is that is all the questions i'm so excited i'm so excited oh man because we haven't covered him in a while so i hope i'm not rusty on my movie bob uh well these these are all like you know old movies though so like if he's changed then that would throw off our movie bob sense he hasn't if anything maybe they're away well well that that would be a form of change the rags i don't mean like if he's improved i mean if he's changed in any way at all that would throw off our movie bob sense for the older movie bob i don't think he's changed i really don't i i don't think he has a personality that will allow him to change it'll be cool if the i assume there are ways in which he changes but they don't affect the quality of the larger movie bob it'd be cool if this gave you points based on the proximity to the correct answer but let us let us go through we have um all right we said the turnals was an eight turns out it was an eight nice oh nice you said she was a seven turns out it was an eight incorrect oh pretty good very close said venom was a five gave it a six oh we're doing pretty good i think we're doing pretty good uh we said seven for god's sake we were correct what was that a fucking joke man right army the dead we put at six his answer was seven oh not bad one little bit 84 we said he'd give it an eight the correct answer is four i'm surprised oh wow that one didn't slap let by him he he noticed yeah he noticed he noticed one woman 84 we said seven for moulin it was six three close nine oh one off nice yeah close we went with five for the fucking Harrison four dog a movie it says that it was eight eight yeah i guess maybe that movie's real good i don't know i'm legitimately surprised i'm legit surprised i don't know when you watch it video movie books recommendation do a little we gave a four turns out it was three oh oh it was again nice ride the skywalker we get we guess six it was eight oh what why he gave it an eight i don't know man i don't know how to explain i know that because i keep i keep referencing films that he's given rise no basically his entire video um is on the crux that guys calm down it's not that bad okay that is low it's fine well no his conclusion ends with the guys you're overhating this it's really not that bad it's fine eight out of ten okay 1917 we said he'd guess eight he gave seven wow we are one off joker we said four he gave four low yeah oh yep we knew it he couldn't like that you're gonna hang on just to be clear the rise of skywalker is better than 1917 in joker by four yeah god's ill a king of the monsters we said he'd give five he gave 10 what that's our first full on miss that's gotta be a meme i'm curious if that's a meme answer because like king of the bosses is definitely worth the god of the king for the aspect of insanity from what i understand and monster fights like so i don't know why he would rate this 10 i'm sure he has a justification for it i think i imagine he's just like you know something like oh yeah god's ill versus kong you know it was like embarrassed to be a monster movie but this you know it knows it's a monster really it knows it's stupid that's what my thought process was the first one he's like oh it's just meh and we get some monsters here and there but it's mostly human crap and it's dumb and then the next one comes out and it's like there's those what it's trying to be um captain plank we said he'd give it an eight he gave it a seven oh just oh man of course by one aquaman we said he'd give it a six he gave it a six yep yes oh ding ding ding at man on the wasp we said five he said six damn dude i think we've done really well yeah we only have like good we have one miss and that's it i want yeah because like the other when you're off by one it feels like it should be a win honestly yeah um in the dark movie i haven't even been off by more than one no any of anything other than that and to be