Find the connect-wise control solution that is right for your clients. No, it's not a sponsored video by them But I wanted to bring up an important topic a lot of these hacks a lot of these ransomwares against MSPs have been facilitated by the power that comes with this MSP software and I want to talk about a tool specifically one that we use and kind of give you the scenario for how this tool was used to deploy ransomware and Like anything in the world if with great power comes great responsibility and that certainly applies to this So while this tool makes it very easy to facilitate connections to thousands of computers to Facilitate connections that allow me to push software updates or deploy any type of software across all of my clients You know makes us more efficient more profitable because we can manage things at scale You know, I'm singing all the praises right, but what happens when you lose control of your software? Unfortunately a lot of IT providers have found this out now I highly highly recommend and before you go any further if you're using connect-wise control and you have not Validated that every single user that you have on there has To TP two-factor authentication turned on and that's time-based authentication You know things you can use like Google authenticate or other time-based authentication mechanisms for but time-based is the way to go It is excellent. It is highly highly necessary Also password reuse if you're reusing passwords, don't that's a frequently the side side of this to where the breach occurs and Through debriefs and through people I've talked to an industry who've gone through breach remediation Free they've taken control of their connect-wise. This is not a fault flaw in the product This is not the fault of connect-wise. All of this is directly related to People not having control of password now that we've gone and covered that let's talk about what kind of fun we can have So I have my Pwnage system that we have a demo set up here and we're going to start covering some of the basics So the first one is this is connect-wise control. This is virtual box. So windows 10 Clone running in a virtual box So you can see that when I do things on here the user can go Hey, I see you doing things. Please note the top. It says your computer is being controlled by Tom. So Obviously this requires People to lock their workstations and all those good security habits that you're preaching to all the users which are all valid We're going to go ahead and Lock it out. So let's go ahead and lock the workstation, right? All right, it's locked. So great password if I tried to log in and try to do this There's a password on it. So I've thwarted the bad guys because you know, people didn't leave things logged in So now we've stopped them, right? Mmm. We're gonna go ahead and do this. We're gonna select Login session backstage Here's the first thing that noise you heard was this and let's log in now Tom's not in control. The little box is gone. This is the first step There's a lot of them do look a power shell right at the command prompt here But obviously this is not the fun way to do it.  I'm running at the base level of the machine with both power Shell and CMD open. I can launch things. I can run things in this session and it's The user being locked. It doesn't matter. I have system level permissions because that's what these systems install that So I'm obviously able to run anything I want on here and do so without the user's interaction matter of fact right now There's nothing to indicate that I'm connected. But if I switch back Hey, look your computer is being controlled by Tom. It lit up here. Now the user knows I'm connected. So Let's go back to locking the system again so go here and We'll do the good security hygiene and lock the workstation because we're away from it And we'll close this too because let's talk about how what the escalation part is. So yeah, ponage We're now disconnected from it. What can we do without having to do an interactive session at all? Because going to a complete non interactive session. Well, that's way easier to do right actually quite So if we go over here, and I have a few things I've already been playing around and running in here This allows you to push back in commands This is when any of the machines are connected this gives me power shell access actually it gives me different types of shells So we'll do this right here Let's see. What do we want to do? Let's just you command like this. Let's We're gonna choose a shell and you do that in a similar way that you do in Linux And matter of fact if you're going to a Linux client, you can do this on Linux. So if we do Bing p s or hashtag However, you want to look at that pound sign, but I say hashtag when I see it sometimes pound sign exclamation point p s for power shell I hold down shift press enter so I'm on the next line So I can actually execute execute the command and let's say we execute Was you not a power shell expert? So I have some stuff. I'm gonna copy and paste and get process list So boom there. We did this as execute power shell I'm gonna dump a process list of things running now I can go further and start and stop and delete processes and move things around But obviously what's more likely is I would run a command more like this if I'm going to deploy my Mailware on here from a bad actor who has back-end access and by the way I'm doing this without any type of user interaction matter of fact It's not showing connected here now. So we go here I'm just gonna paste it in so we did power shell new object web client I'm not gonna pipe this in to execute it, but I just grabbed something off of my github So raw that github user content flip side creations dot files. It's just my uninstall dot sh on there We're gonna head and run this command now because I didn't actually pipe it into execute It's just going to dump on the screen what it downloaded But it's showing the proof of how easy I could have taken some type of power shell script that were to deploy the ransom We're at the system level and how quick I was able to do that So I could just go into each one of these systems and push it out there now a couple other Methodologies that we can use we go ahead and go here Here I'm doing this from Linux. It's a little different if you do it from Windows machine But if we go to toolbox and I'm blurring out some of the things in here but what I wanted to show you is I can just kick these off and We have some client data in here because this is actually how will we use this to push our RMM updates where we're onboarding a new client We're gonna connect to a screen connect and we're gonna be able to push this over there But I can just click this and it's going to install it automatically on their computer. By the way, I'm doing it with it locked So it's locked. Let's go over here and see what's going on behind the scenes here Oh, it actually did find an error because I didn't have it I just threw anger IP scanner on there and it went to the Java downloads I don't have Java in there, but please note. I was able to install software while their screen was locked How does that work in screen connect? Well, what's going on is I can add and once you have breached a system you go to the toolbox You can add anything you want to the toolbox. So you add your wears on there You can just quickly start deploying things from the toolbox to all the systems and you can see once again It's another methodology in what I'm trying to highlight here is how quick things can spiral out of control The risks are very real and we see this and I bring it up again because I only covered it last week the Dental company they were using connect wise control my summation not that I have inside information But I know they were using connect wise because they have it on their site And I did talk to one of the people that worked for the dental that well was a victim of this And they said yeah, they have screen connect on all the computers screen connects what you speak calls go connect wise control now But they have it on all of them So they were able to the bad actors to once they had control of this rapidly Deploy to hundreds of workstations And this isn't just true of connect wise control where solar winds and I didn't want to take the time to set this up on our Solar winds platform But solar winds has similar features where we can deploy things at scale to entire client groups or mass amounts of computers Any of these tools have to be locked down with the utmost of security That is one of the reasons I recommend making sure that two factors on that you never reuse passwords that even that your username Which is frequently your email address not necessarily be the email address you usually use for emailing back and forth clients Perhaps create an alias also, you know, make sure when you have the two factor on that It's not SMS base that makes it a you know better attack factor because you can hijack SMS We've seen this happening quite a bit The preferred method like I said is TOTP time-based authentication But I just wanted to kind of show how quickly things can go out of control These tools are very powerful and one of the problems and this is where there's discrepancies when there's a breach now They may use it for ransomware because that is the most lucrative most profitable thing But this works two ways if I wanted to file off of their desktop if I wanted Access to data, especially if you have control quietly have control And no one has realized the breach has occurred because you haven't ransomware them. It is possible It is absolutely plausible that they have removed Data from the computer they have copied any data they want. They could also install quiet backdoors They could actually run the ransomware attack over time and have it time-based Where they've installed all the back end and they've set a date by which it all execute so they can do it over time This is why you know everything from watching your logs in screen connect Watching any of the logins restricting everything down and auditing all the time is so critical I just want to bring this up because I know there was some questions I seen in the you know, how did they do it and this is the methodology This is the plan of attack that undoubtedly was used based on everything I've read and everything I've known about a lot actually a lot of these attacks when Tools like this was involved once your RMM tool once your remote access tools are compromised You have a huge uphill battle and there's no way to guarantee to the client as much as people want to say this and This is the hard truth of it once someone has had access with a tool like this that has system of access Those machines need to be wiped the only way to trust those machines again is to wipe them And if someone were to ask did they take any data any personal data any financial data any Medical records or whatever that client had the answer is you don't know unless there was a log of it Which by the way if they have remote access and they have admin privileges are going to delete all the logs You have to assume the answer is yes, and then follow all the procedures that go with that You know whether you're compliant and HIPAA Sarbanes actually whichever Compliance industry you're in you have to notify and follow the proper legal channels do this. It's unfortunate It's tragic, but that's just reality of it So I just want to make this video kind of show how easy it is how you can quickly go in here and just Dump commands PowerShell without any user interaction. You can do installs without user action So people that say like hey, I locked my I told my users to lock the screen So I don't have to worry about this Unfortunately you do the system as long as they have connection they have system low privileges and they have the ability execute All right, thanks And thank you for making it to the end of the video if you like this video Please give it a thumbs up if you'd like to see more content from the channel hit the subscribe button and hit the Bell icon if you like YouTube to notify you when new videos come out If you'd like to hire us head over to Lawrence systems calm fill out our contact page And let us know what we can help you with and what projects you'd like us to work together on If you want to carry on the discussion head over to forums. 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Education is the way that we change society.  It's an experience that money can't buy. I'm Kevin Larkin. I'm a mathematics educator at Griffith University. I teach undergraduate students how to teach mathematics to primary school students. I've been in education all my life and I felt that I wanted to work with people who wanted to make a difference in teaching. My name's Danielle. I studied a Bachelor of Education at Griffith University and I am a primary school teacher. The first time I met Kevin was in a maths lecture. Maths was not one of my strong subjects. Seeing him as a lecturer and the way that he gave information quelled a lot of those anxieties. He definitely set the benchmark. Now I enjoy math and I understand it in a depth that I never understood it before, which means that I can then teach it more effectively. What's disappointing is that we're finding more and more children are becoming anxious about mathematics at a younger age. When I'm dealing with the people who are going to be future teachers, they have anxieties as well. I try to make them understand that mathematics is a language. It's a way to understand the world. There's no such thing as a maths brain. All people have the same brains. It's how you choose to apply the thinking power that you have. If you end each day knowing that you've cared for the children that you're responsible for and you've done your best to help them learn, yeah, I think you can sleep well at night, yeah.


Yeah, good morning everyone. Thank you for joining the mentoring session this morning. We just have one student here with us, Siddiquenu. Thank you Siddiquenu for joining the mentoring session and I want to thank all the faculty who have joined this morning. Before we begin, can we just pause for a word of prayer? Can I ask Pastor Roshan to lead us in a word of prayer please? Sure, thank you. Father we come before you this morning. We thank you for your grace and you mercy Father we thank you that your faithfulness sustains us every day Lord. Father we submit this time into your hands. You can ask this be a time of learning, a time of new revelation of you, of your word Father. We submit this entire time into your hands in Jesus's name I pray. Amen. Thank you Pastor Roshan. You're a familiar with what we do during the mentoring session. We are free to you know ask your questions, questions regarding what you are studying in class, your courses that you're studying or you have any questions regarding you know the what you're studying from the Bible, your quiet time, any doubts, any questions pertaining to life, your spiritual walk with the Lord. So this time is open for you to ask your questions, your queries, doubts. Please feel free to unmute your mics and ask your questions or you can type it in the chat section. You have any questions? Please feel free to unmute your mics and ask them or you can even type it in the chat section. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Morning Ma'am. Good morning, how about? Yes, please. I had a question. I was thinking Jesus after after resurrection, he appeared to the disciples and other people. So I wanted to see the way maybe he appeared to them. Was he appearing to them like as a spirit or or like the way he used to, he came like the other normal Jesus whom we are seeing day by day. Were they seeing him like in the form of like a spirit or they are seeing him live and he was talking live to them? Yeah, I was wondering about that. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for your question, Herbert. Would any of the faculty like to answer that question? Anyone? Yes. Good morning, everyone. Good morning, Herbert and Pastor Selena. I just want to share that, you know, we see that Jesus also asked for Thomas to put his hand into the, you know, the place where he was pierced. So it was a physical body that Jesus appeared in. We also see that he had breakfast with his disciples. So after resurrection, it's a glorified body, which, you know, I believe Jesus had it. So he was not just spirit, but he had a physical body. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Anyone else who'd like to add to that question? Pastor Selena, I just wanted to bring up a verse. We're just looking at Luke, Luke 24 verses 27. 37. So I'll just read. They were terrified and frightened and supposed to hit seeing the spirit and he said to them, Why are you troubled and why, why do doubts arise in your hearts? We hold my hands in my feet, flesh and bones as you see I have. So this is just actually reiterating the point that Pastor Nancy had also bought up that it was a glorified body, but it did come in physical presence as well. Thank you, Pastor Nancy and Jean. Yes, Herbert, we know that, you know, like Pastor Nancy and Jean mentioned that Jesus had a physical body that could be touched and handled after his resurrection. He was seen by his disciples. We read this in Matthew chapter 28, verse nine. We also see that he appeared to his disciples on the road to Emmaus. Just like in any other traveler on the road, we read this in Luke chapter 24, verses 15 to 18 and verses 28 to 29. We also see in the read in Luke chapter 24, verse 30 that he took bread and broke it. And you know, he ate a piece of boiled fish to demonstrate very clearly that he had a physical body and he was not just a spirit. We also see that, you know, when Mary saw him in near his tomb, she thought he was a gardener. We read this in John chapter 20, verse 15. John chapter 20, verse 20, he showed his disciples his hands and his side. He also invited Thomas to touch his hand and his side. We read this in John chapter 20, verse 27. And in John chapter 21, he prepared a breakfast for his disciples on the sea of Tiberius. So we see that, you know, he also says in Luke chapter 24, verse 39, see my hands and my feet that it is I myself handle me and see for a spirit has not flesh and bones as you see that I have. Okay. And even Peter says about the talks about this in Acts chapter 10, verse 41, where he says that we ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.  But Jesus chose to have the scars just showed, you know, of what the sacrifice that he had made on the cross. I hope that answers your question, Herbert. Yeah, thank you very much for that wonderful explanation. I had another question for Pastor Jackson, but I can see he's not yet connected, but maybe Monique, Madam Monique, we did check it for me. In the final assessment for the discipleship, there was number three and number four for e-running. He asked the question, but never put like a space for putting the answers. So it is question three, question four. So there is no, there is submit and the total marks, but there is no, there is no space for putting the question. So maybe Madam Monique, we will check it for us in the discipleship. Yes. Yeah, Monique has made a note of it and she will check with it soon after the call and she will help make sure that that's corrected. Okay, thank you so much. Thank you for your question, Herbert. Do you have any more questions? Okay, no more questions. Thank you, Pastor Nancy and Jean for answering Herbert's question. We have a question from Siddiq Kenu. He says, there are some people who are having demonic possession over them, but they cannot recognize them easily and they come to church regularly and the manifestation happens. It's also very rare. So I want help regarding this. I want to help these people with demonic possession, but we are not able to recognize them. So how can we pray for them like their behavior is also normal? Okay, so it's basically he wants to know, you know, how to identify people who are demon possessed and also how to help them. Okay, so can one of our faculties help Siddiq Kenu with his query, please? These are people who are demon possessed and they come to church regularly and they rarely manifest, but how do we identify such people and how do we help them? Anyone of our faculty would like to answer that question? Yes, Sid Kenu. One is, I think we need to be clear in our minds that deliverance does not always need to have manifestation. So, you know, when demons leave, it doesn't mean they always have to make a noise. It doesn't have to be with, you know, all manifestation. The fact is that people are constantly being delivered, setting, being set free from demonic oppression. So talking about believers, we're talking about a church situation, believers. So we will not say that believers are possessed. So we do not say that because believers cannot be possessed. But we're talking about oppression, that means there's an unlawful demonic activity in their lives. And so believers are oppressed. And many times, perhaps almost every Sunday in the presence of God, believers are being delivered. And this happens in a very quiet way. I mean, there's no, there's not necessarily any manifestation. But evil spirits leave, ground is gained, is retrieved, and believers are moving into places of victory in their lives. And this happens simply because of the ministry, the word, the presence of the Holy Spirit, the presence of God in that place. So I think the answer to your question is this, that our focus should not be on the manifestation, but our focus should be on seeing believers walking in progressive, increasing measures of victory in their lives. If that is happening, then that's what we want. And that's what God wants. He wants his people to live as overcomers. So the focus should not be the manifestation, but the focus should be our believers living victorious lives of growing and increasing in victory in their lives. And that's that's what we should be looking at. We look at the fruit, not the, you know, the, the expressions. Now, of course, there will be times when manifestations happen and we should address it. But, you know, the fact, you know, I think what I want to emphasize is that deliverance often takes place without much noise. Thank you, Pastor Ashish. City can you just answer your question? Yes, ma'am. It gives me a very good clarity, ma'am. Thank you. We move on to our next question by Elisha. He says, how should couples treat infertility in marriage? So Elisha's question is, how should couples treat infertility in marriage? So could I request Jean to please help in answering this question, please? Sure. Thank you, Pastor Samina. Yes. So when we look at couples with infertility, I think we look at it in two ways. Again, I don't think there is any specific chapter or verse in the Bible that does not allow couples to progress with treatment. But nevertheless, I think the most important thing is for couples to continue to believe and pray in faith about opening up of the room. I've personally seen many couples who've been infertile for years with just continuous meditation of the word, believing the word, having become fertile. But having said that, so I think that's the first and foremost thing to go to, to continue in faith, to continue praying, to continue seeking the Lord, because the gift of children is a reward. So that's one part. The next is to be able to take treatment. And I think it's perfectly okay to take treatment for fertilization. And there are many, I mean, sciences developed in a way that can help couples have children of their own biological children of their own. So taking on those options are okay. The next option, of course, is adoption. If none of these take place, if they do not have biological children of their own, is to go in for adoption, because that requires a preparedness, both in the spirit level, as well as in their ability to take care and come in terms of taking on a child that is not biological. And because we also live in a social culture, to be able to get the support and buy in of other family members, extended family members would be something that is also an option. Nevertheless, it is the heart that God prepares for whatever method or source that one would choose to have children. Thank you, Vasan. Thank you, Gene. He also has a follow up question. Elijah has a follow up question. His question is, is it moral for couples to open up to alternative reproductive health, say IVF or surrogacy? So, Gene, would you like to help with that, please? Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I think we had bought this question of surrogacy a couple of, in fact, I was the one who bought this up with Pastor and I remember Pastor also saying that, you know, these are alternative medical treatments. And to do something like that is, is okay. There isn't anything that would keep us from, from using whatever medical technologies or expansions that has come about. I also personally think that it is okay to have to go through treatments of in vitro or surrogacy. I'll leave that open to anybody else who may have other thoughts. Thank you very much, Gene. Any of the other faculty would like to throw any light on Elisha's two questions.  Yes, ma'am. Yes, thank you very much. I pressed on the ones to contribute to the question. On the issue of surrogacy, I, Pastor Gene, thank you very much. I agree and share, and share your thought on all the response that you gave. I am a bit concerned with the surrogacy. I understand that fertility or childbirth, as God originally designed it, has to be between couples, a married man and a woman. But if you look at the issue of surrogacy, that is where a third party is brought into the, into the equation. So a mother, an esterna, person has to carry a baby on behalf of the couple. And that is where I find it a bit omparah with what scripture admonishes. Just like Rebecca, sorry, Rahele thought of offering his hermate to Jocop to carry, to bear a children for him. I think we can consider that as their type of surrogacy and that is not the original idea of God when it comes to childbirth. So that is why I personally think that surrogacy wouldn't be moral for us believers as in the original design of God. That is my thoughts please. Thank you. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Elisha, would any of our faculty like to help Elisha with his understanding and his thoughts? Yeah, Elisha, thank you for sharing. I think there will be lots and lots of questions and things that we as believers will have to think through and especially as science and medicine and other things at once and be able to do more and more things medically. There are lots, there are a lot of ethical questions, moral questions, biblical questions that come up. And so in this case, I mean, I just want to share two points. One is when we look at surrogacy, the seed for the new life is still from the original parents, which is different from the biblical incident we mentioned with Jacob and Ryle because the seed is not from the original parents. But here in surrogacy, the seed is from the original parents and just the development, the fertilization development is happening externally. So that would be a differentiator. And then I think at the end of it, because the Bible is silent on many of these issues, we, I feel that the ultimate or the final decision will be left to the individual believer. You know, like Romans the 14th chapter when Paul is addressing some general things about what you can eat and days and observe, you know, all those kinds of things, general general questions. He mentions, you know, in verse five, he says, let each one be fully persuaded in their own mind. So it matters where the Bible is silent and where we have to make decisions which are not necessarily, you know, sinful, but yet we, you know, it's like we don't know, you know, we don't know what is the right decision to make. That's where I think each believer has to be fully persuaded in their own mind, based, of course, on what they see in the scriptures and what God is speaking to them, which also means that we have to give freedom within the church to respect each other's decisions. Even in this matter, for instance, like we looked at the three options, you know, there will be couples who just believe the Word of God and they have children. There will be couples who believe the Word of God and get some medical help and then have children. And then there will be couples who believe the Word of God who've tried medical help and then finally come to the place where they decide to adopt and they adopt children. And then now because of the advancement of science and medicine, there may be couples who believe the Word of God who try medical help initially, who consider adopting children, but they choose not to, but instead they choose to, you know, do something like IVF or surrogacy or something, something different. And then they have children, they have their own children. So in all cases, I think we should just respect the faith on where they are in faith and what's happening in their faith walk. We just respect them. You know, we appreciate those who believe the Word have children. We appreciate or respect those who, you know, in all of these scenarios, I think we just let each one make their own journey of faith. As long as they're not doing anything sinful or dishonoring to God, we respect, we should, you know, just as long as they're staying in line with the things of God, I think that's fine. That's, I just want to add these two points and just to think about. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Elisha, I hope that gives a good explanation for your thoughts. Yes, yes, Pastor Selena. Yes, thank you, Pastor Ashes. Thank you, Pastor Jean. Thank you, Elisha. Any more questions? Anyone has any questions pertaining to what you've studied in your course or what you're reading from your, from the Bible during your quiet time or any questions regarding your spiritual walk with the Lord? Yes, Elisha. Yes, Pastor, this is another question is on death, death. I know that we've categorized death into three categories, the physical death, the spiritual death, and then the second death. My question is with respect to the physical death. As we know from scripture, the religious of sin is death. So we've all come to believe that death is consequential as a result of sin. But it is not only humans that die, animals, the beasts, other animals also die. What sin did they also commit and children who are born, who are born and could not have the opportunity to live out of adulthood and they die? What would be their fate on the day of the Lord or with respect to their salvation? This is my question. Thank you for your question, Elisha. So Elisha is saying his questions regarding physical death.  So what happens to these children and also he's asking about the animals? Any of our faculty would like to help in answering that question, please? Paul Emmanuel, Pastor Paul, would you please help us in answering this question? Yes, sure, Pastor Selena. Thank you, Elisha, for that question. Yes, so Elisha, you had mentioned Romans 623, which is the wages of sin is death. I just want to bring a little bit of light on that verse. Paul is writing to the Romans and the word death in Romans 623 is not referring to the physical death only, but also to the spiritual death or death, meaning the eternal damnation, eternal separation from God. And then he follows it up in Romans 623 saying the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life. So if you put these, put the words together, you see that Paul is trying to bring the aspect of the spiritual more than the physical. So the wages of sin is death referring to eternal separation from God, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus. So I believe that you mentioned about animals and bees. So in terms of their spirit, there is no, I believe that there's no, you know, relationship or that they would have because there's no sin nature in them. So to the whole fact that Paul is writing to the Romans, I believe is the eternal separation from God or the question is like that. So Paul, his question was, why is there physical death? Basically, the question is, why is there physical death for animals or babies? For those who have not done anything wrong. So his question is not, you know, the, I mean, so I think we need to understand this question correctly. And Selene, I think you forgot his why, you know, so the real issue is why, why are animals dying? Why are babies dying? Because they haven't done anything wrong. Of course, so much physical death. So if you could just continue on into that, that'll be good. Thank you. Thank you, Basta. Can you help me with that, Basta? Yes, thank you, Basta Paul. Basta Nancy, like to share help. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Basta Paul for sharing your thoughts and also, Pasalina. So I'll share a scripture. This is from Romans chapter eight and verse 21. Yes. So it says, because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. So what we recognize is that when Adam and Eve sinned, you know, the, not just the human beings, but the entire world. So which means everything that makes up this world has been corrupted by sin, which includes animals, you know, which, so which is what is causing a lot of suffering in the world. And of course, you know, death, death as a consequence. So the sin is not just a sin that somebody is committing. That's not the only, that's not the only understanding of that word sin, the relaysia, but sin is what has corrupted the entire world. And thus, you know, it, the consequence of that is death of humans, death of animals, death of innocent, you know, babies that you've pointed out here, and also all other forms of destruction, calamities that we observe in nature and all of that. So it's because of the corruption of sin that, that has, you know, tainted the world. And you know, but we thank God that Jesus has come to, to deliver us from this corruption to redeem, not just human beings, but also the world, right? The world will also ultimately be redeemed from the corruption of this sin. So just some thoughts there. And I'm sure others also can add to this. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Any of the other faculty would like to throw some light on this? Yeah, I just, I just add, you know, so Nancy explained it. And I think Abraham's comment, Abraham Tete's comment also adds to this. So I think one way to look at it is, you know, man was put in charge of the earth, the dominion for the entire earth was given to man. And his, so man's fall, you know, so the original sin affected everything.   So if the, and it happens in all scenarios, you know, you can think of it in a family situation, you can think of it in an organization situation, you can think of it in a national situation. If the leader makes a decision, does something wrong, impacts everybody under that leader, you know, under that position, person who's in headship. And that's what happened. Adam and Eve, Adam was put in charge. He sinned. So everything under him, he was put in charge of all everything on the earth. So everything under him, including all of creation, including animals, birds, plants, trees, all of creation was subject to corruption as Romans 8 21 says. And so we have all of these things happening. Thank you. Thank you. Passages. I hope that answers your question. Yes, Elisha. Okay, ma'am. Thank you very much. Thank you. Passages. Thank you for the contribution. So we come to the conclusion that, but for the original sin, man would have been immortal. And the beast of the earth and everything would have been immortal. Is that the case, please? Yes, yes. There was no death before the fall. Life would go on perpetually. And the earth would be inhabited. There was no indication that birds or animals would die. Death was non-existent before the fall. So perpetuity would be the norm. So the answer is yes. And it's something what we see in the new heavens and the new earth in Revelation 22. We see again perpetuity. Man will live forever. Yeah. All right. Thank you very much, Pesta. Thank you, Passages. Thank you, Elisha, for your question. Also, we read in Genesis chapter 1, verse 26, where God says, let us make man in our image, in our likeness. So when the word image and likeness means just like God, so God was without sin. He created Adam and Eve to be without sin. God is righteous. He created Adam and Eve to be righteous.  He created Adam and Eve never to die. God does not have sin. He created Adam and Eve without any sin. God has a mind, a will, and he created Adam and Eve in the same way. So when he created us in his image and likeness, he created us never to die. Yes. Thank you for your question, Elisha. Thank you, Pesta, for throwing light on Elisha's question. We move on to Herbert's question, which Monica has already answered. Siddiqui News question says, ma'am, I just wanted to ask that I saw in the EPC college website about the opening of the Institute in the month of August for offline classes. Are we also going to have classes in Google Meet like this online setting as well? I just wanted to know. Yes, so can Pesta Dayana or Monica help in answering Siddiqui News query, please? Sure, Pesta Salina. Sidd, yes, we will be having classes on campus and online, and at the same time eLearning. So we will be having all three programs running simultaneously at the same time. Okay, thank you, Pesta Dayana. I hope that helps Siddiqui News. Yes, ma'am. Okay, thank you.  Sorry, Pesta Dayana, you want to say something? No, Pesta, thank you. Okay, thank you.  Yes, yes, Pesta. Just a thought on the question I just asked and Pesta, she's helped with the response. My thought is, man was not just made in the image and likeness of God, man was also made of dust from the ground. And as the Bible says in Elisha, it says that everything made of dust would eventually have to return to the dust. Yes, and I believe that the physical death is as a result of man made of dust. Everything that is made of dust has no perpetuality. So in my view, I think man was, the physical man was originally not made for perpetuality, but the spirit man, the spirit of God that is in us, which is more of the image and likeness of God, I believe, has the perpetuality, but the physical body does not have that immortality. That is my thought. I believe the faculty can help me to be clear on that. Thank you. Thank you, Elisha. So can one of our faculties help us in answering Elisha's question? Please. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for sharing that, Elisha. So if you look at, you know, if you look at the sequence of things in Genesis, chapter one, two, and three, the whole, which was later expressed in the book of Ecclesiastes. So the whole understanding that dust you are and the dust you will return came after the fall. It was not there before the fall. So the whole understanding and the whole logic that because your dust goes back to dust, it only came after the fall. It was not mentioned there before the fall. So we cannot transpose something that the understanding that we received after the fall to be prior to the fall, that would be incorrect. So if you just look at how things were before the fall, it is true. That God formed man out of the dust of the earth. That is true. But that is not necessarily imply mortality, because man was there. The only thing that would cause death, as we know in the first three chapters of Genesis was sin.  So if sin was there, then there would never be death. So while it was true, man was created from the dust, there would still be no death if there was no sin. So I think if you just stay with consistency, being consistent in our understanding and our logic, then it would not be right to transpose an understanding that came in after the fall to be in effect before the fall, which is dust you are to dust you will return. So it would not be right to do that. The other thing we need to highlight is the two trees. There's a tree of the knowledge of good and evil and there's a tree of life. What do we know about the tree of life? Well, it was there in the garden. Man was allowed to eat of the tree of life. What do we know about the tree of life? That same tree we find in Genesis in Revelation 22, which indicates that the tree of life had this property of giving perpetuity to physical life, to life. That's in Revelation 22. And that was a tree man was allowed to eat. So I think there was a reason there, that for God saying you can eat of this, but not of the other tree. And that tree which we see served the purpose of making sure life continued. So I would just place these two thoughts in response to what you shared, Elisha, just to think about. Thank you. Thank you very much, Pastor Ashish. Elisha, does that help answer your question? Yes, yes. I would have to think through the response from Pastor Ashish. Thank you, Pastor, for the lead. I will read the scriptures, the references and think through maybe the next time we meet. If I have any other question, I will come again. Thank you, Elisha. Herbert, Monika has answered your query which you had asked sometime back. She says that she has checked the course BC 312 and on discipleship and small group and all the questions and answers are set correctly. Those are multiple type questions, so you can just select the correct answer. It doesn't require typing or an input of any answer and she also shares a note. All questions have only one attempt. I hope that helps, Herbert. Okay, thank you so much. I think I had maybe misquoted the course, but somebody can help me. The question was saying give five simple steps to establish a cycle of continuous learning. I might have mistaken. I don't remember which exactly course it was, but maybe somebody can enlighten me. The question was give five simple steps to establish a cycle of continuous learning, so somebody can remind me perhaps which course it was that. It is the question, I think, which needed to fit in. Thank you, Herbert. Pastor Ashish says it's a life skills course, so Monica will check on that and help regarding this. We just have a couple of minutes and John Paul has a question from 1 Timothy chapter 2 verse 15 says, Nevertheless, she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love and holiness with self-control. He's asking if you could share some thoughts on this verse. Some translation also says she will be saved by childbearing. Is it different? So anyone, any of our faculty would like to help John with this question? Okay, yes, Pastor Selena. I'll share my thoughts on this. So here in this passage, the word for save is sozo and sometimes because we learn about sozo being salvation so much, we wonder whether it's referring to spiritual salvation of women through childbearing, but obviously we know that there are several scriptures that tell us how we can receive salvation, so that's not it. But the word sozo also means preserved, so the likely meaning of that passage is that a woman who is giving birth is protected or preserved in that process. So that's my understanding. Yeah, maybe others could add to that. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Anyone else would like to add on this? Anyone else? Does that help answer your question, John? Yeah, so we can take this as a promise as we pray for women who are childbearing. I just want to just get a clarity on the saved part. Yeah, thanks, Pastor. Yeah, basically here the understanding is that a wife will be kept safe during childbirth in the light of what we read in Genesis chapter 3 verse 16. And like Pastor Nancy said, saved is the Greek word sozo here, which is all inclusive word for salvation. But why is Apostle Paul talking about women and childbirth at this time? Again, we need to understand this in the biblical context and in the local context. Genesis chapter 3 verse 16 says, we know that the consequences of the fall was that women will bear children with much pain. And also, if you look at it in the local context, goddess Diana, which was worshipped here and was the goddess of the opposites, was the goddess of the city of Ephesus, and she was the goddess of the opposites. And so she was considered as a guardian of young children and protected women in labor. But when she got angry, it is said that her arrows bought sudden death while giving birth. So Diana was a divinity of healing, but also brought and spread diseases and also would bring sudden death while women were giving birth. So here Apostle Paul is basically addressing another aspect of the cultural influence of the worship of Diana, but he's assuring believers in Christ Jesus that women who believe in Jesus will be preserved in childbirth. Just like he talks in the preceding verses, he mentions that men and women have to continue in faith, love, holiness, and self-control and in their walk with the Lord, and they will be preserved from every harm and danger. So does that help, John? Yes, thank you. Thank you, Apostle Nancy. Thank you, Apostle Elena. Okay. Thank you all. Sorry, we've exceeded one minute. We'll just end the mentoring session. Can I just ask any one of our students to close in prayer, please? Can I ask Siddiqui to close in prayer? Yes, ma'am. Father, we come to the throne of grace. Lord, thank you for this day you have given us our Lord. Lord, as we have started this day, learning about your word, clear, clarifying all our doubts which we have related to the session. Lord, thank you for all the faculty. Lord, thank you for all the students who have joined us in this session. Lord, bless each and everyone, Lord. Thank you for this opportunity you have given us, Lord. As we are learning from your word, Lord, it should not be just wasted or just kept as a learning, Lord, as a books, but it should be used effectively and mightily for your kingdom expansion, or Lord. In Jesus' name, we ask everything and God's people say amen. Amen. Thank you, Siddiqui. Thank you all for joining the call, the menting session. Today have a blessed day. God bless. Thank you.