All right, I'm gonna call the License Hearing and Public Safety Committee for January 25th, 2023 to order. Roll call Alderman Dekker. Here. Alderman Heidemann. Here. Alderman Salazar. Here. And Alderperson, that play is excused. Roll call Alderperson Felde. I am here. I'm actually excused. Dekker. Dekker, Dekker. Heidemann. Salazar. Here. All right. Pledge of Allegiance, please stand. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I think everybody knows everybody, so we're gonna go right to the approval of minutes from January 11th. I make a motion to approve. Second. Is there any discussion? Any corrections? All in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Chair votes aye. Minutes are approved. Number six, our own number 93-22-23-1-16-23 by a chief fire chief pursuant to section 5564 of the municipal code submitting the quarterly report of benchmark measurements for the fire department for the period commencing October 1, 2022 and ending December 31, 2022. Well, thank you, Chair. So, everybody should have gotten the report. Just like many, many fire departments across this country, 521 calls over last year. So, something that's unique to the fourth quarter that we are overlapping incidents, which is when one incident's going, you might have one or two or three or four more calls at the same time. So overlapping, we're at 62% in the fourth quarter which is quite high. So over half of our calls were multiple calls. We continue to do our inspection program and refine it. So we accomplished and completed 100 more inspections in this year's fourth quarter than last year or in 21 and 22, sorry. And then even though our call volume was higher overall, our fourth quarter was just a little bit slower or lower than the previous year, which is kind of unique. So we continue to do our station tours. We're doing all our PubEd events. We doubled them obviously because COVID restrictions were lifted and we're continuing to put more emphasis in our training hours. So you'll see that we increased our training hours a little close to 1300 compared to the previous. Any questions that I can answer? Perfect. Well, the question, sorry, one question. For the overlapping call percentage, that's just like, that's not because you don't have enough people answering phones, that's just because more calls were coming in, right? Correct, it's just part of the fact of life. Even if we had staffing, it would still count as an overlapping. Okay. Any other questions? Chairman, yeah, I had that circled myself, okay? Because you gave me good explanation of it. What percentage of an overlap, is there, when you're giving mutual aid, is that also in there? Yeah, any incident, regardless of location, regardless. Do you have a percentile of what that would be of an overlapping call where you call out to help somebody to another department? Yeah, I mean, I don't have the percentage of, if we were on a mutual aid, if that was one of the overlapping, I don't have that, I could get it, I just opened the report to do it. Our mutual aid calls on there, so you'll see in the fourth quarter, we received help 12 different times from an outside agency, and we responded 45 times, out, am I on the right? Yeah, 45 times, sorry, go help. So part of it is helping Orange Cross, some of it is helping, structure fires or sending for accidents, those kind of things, so it's a mix. But, 12 of those. Is there a specific department that we receive more mutual aid calls, from the town or from the town of Wilson? Yeah, no, there's not one that over, so we have that quad, remember that, so that if we have a fire, they will help us, we will help them. So, I think most of the majority, just guessing without looking at this, the majority is Orange Cross assist. Oh, that's okay. Yeah, and again, they're helping us a lot too, it's just hit or miss, there's, you know, someone is having a heart attack and it's hard for us, how do you say no? Right. If we can help, we can help, you know what I mean, because when we need help, they come, so. Yeah, don't say no. Yeah. And so, well, with the overlap too, you're talking about the other two, you could have a call at the North Side Station and at a call at the South Side Station, you could do two different incidents, that's still considered a call. Yeah, it could be multiple calls, we could have two calls at the same time, one up on the fourth floor here and one in the basement, and we have two different units coming, that's an overlap, if they had it in the same time. We still have a personnel one. Oh, yeah, the overlapping incidents truly don't have anything to do with personnel. Now I will be honest with them, tell you, yes, some day we're gonna have to have that discussion, because I am understaffed, but that's down the road. Overlapping incidents would still happen, whether I had 100 people on duty or 20, it's still gonna happen.  Yeah, with our increase in call volume, you're gonna see that more. Yeah. That makes sense, because the world is busy, you know. There, yep, the more population, more incidents, a lot of people are now out of the COVID thing, so they were doing a lot more of stuff. And truly there's, it's just things are changing. So yeah. You said understaffed, is there a reason for that you're understaffed? Is it because you don't have the full volume you should have of staff? Yeah, we will certainly talk about that at a different, in the future. It is quite, just sum it up, yes. We just don't have the personnel like we should. According to standards. Some are coming in and they want vacations. And vacations are huge and some are right. I know that. Any other questions? All right. We don't need to approve this one, do we? We can just accept it. Okay. Motion, somebody wanna make a motion? Make a motion to accept the file? Second. Any more discussion? Okay, all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Chair votes aye. Motion carries. Okay. Number seven, RO number 94, 22, 23, 116, 23. By police chief Christopher Domigalski pursuant to section 5465 of the municipal code submitting the quarterly report of benchmark measurements for the police department for the period commencing October 1, 2022 and ending December 31, 2022. Take it away chief. Okay, good afternoon.  I'll just go over the highlights quickly for you. Part one crime was flat year-to-date in comparison to 2021 and a slight decrease in comparison to 2020. There was 852 part one crimes in 2022, 841 in 2021 and 973 in 2020. Traffic accidents year-to-date were 418, first, sorry, 1,418, first 1,365 in 2021 and 1,340 in 2020. So just a very slight increase, but under our goal of 1,500 along with that traffic stops were if you look at the sheet increased by about 20%, traffic arrests increased by about 800. So they're doing the deployments and making the stops. So trying to imply due enforcement were necessary to continue to bring those accidents down. And then lastly, involuntarily, involuntary commitments were relatively flat year-to-date in comparison to the same period in 2021, but there was an increase in comparison to 2020. So 138 this year, first 144 last year and 101 in 2020 that I can answer any questions if you have any. Question on the traffic stops. Is there, it seemed to be an increase in the reckless driving similar to like what they're having down in Milwaukee and things like that. Kind of what you're running into is that why we're having more of these. So I wouldn't say reckless driving like in Milwaukee. I would say the same thing that I said probably the last 20 meetings or so. There's a lot more aggressive driving, people in a hurry and distracted driving. So people on their phones trying to multitask and do multiple things and just aren't as courteous as they used to be in the past. So I think that's primarily where the focus needs to be on both enforcement and messaging that we just really it's dangerous when people are driving in that fashion and people need to slow down and it starts with personal responsibility, not just complaining about how somebody else is driving and not paying attention how you're driving because you're doing the same things. But I think really every time each individual gets in a car they need to pay attention to how they are operating that vehicle. And some of that, I think that we hear from citizens is some of the courtesy things that we've talked about at past meetings. So somebody at a crosswalk that's waiting across both of them doing what they need to do. And by that I mean signaling to oncoming drivers that they want to cross and not standing there looking the other way so the driver doesn't know if they should stop or not. But then drivers paying attention and if somebody does want to cross stopping and allowing them to cross rather than ignoring them or trying to speed up so that they can't stop. It's just really a combination of all those things I think. I've been known to drive more than one car at a time. And I do it quite well, you can ask my wife. How you do that? Here's the thing, is there a specific area that within the community of Shaboy that has a higher rate of traffic stops than like is the north side worse than the south side? Don't do that. Why not? You're trying to- I'll get out of there. We'll stay out of there. I'll bet not. I hear that question later. One, I live on the corner of the line. Well, I would say there's- North Avenue and then Taylor Road. That's fair, but separating the town in half by like so-so drivers. I just was trying to give my point of reference. So I think there are particular areas that we have more accidents than others. And then we have areas where there's more traffic. So 14th and area is probably the busiest intersection. But far, yeah. So I've said in past, what we do is we have a crime analyst and he maps all of our activity. So all the accidents get mapped and all of the crime gets mapped. And where those things overlap, we create hot spots and those are areas that we concentrate on doing enforcement in because they'll drive down both the accidents and drive down crime in those areas. We'll also look at what we talked about intersections where there's a higher number of accidents and then try to put together a plan. Part of it would be enforcement, but it could be working with DPW to change stop signs or do things like that to try to correct those behaviors there. Thank you. Can I ask a follow up to that question? Sure. Do you partner with, does public works get this information where you've done your homework, you have somebody internally who does it? Does public works get to see it in the city? You know, who handles the street and lighting and stop signs to make adjustments to you guys collaborate? So that's, yeah. When you put together a plan, it's talking to Ryan and all of that and say, here's what we think, what do you think, what's best practice by you that you know about and here's, and so that's all of that goes together. Great. I just wanted to make sure there was still communication into making change if we can, right? And all of our mapping is done now on their platform as a GIS platform. So they have access to all of that if they really want it. But it's the same thing with planning upstairs in all of our beat neighborhoods in that we're going out with them collecting data and it's all getting put on those maps so we know what areas to concentrate on. Okay. Cool. Thank you. Thank you for the record. He didn't say anything about Illinois drivers. So. Yeah. I wasn't asked about it. I actually think that government in Northern South drivers, I met Illinois and Wisconsin. That's what he was trying to say. That's Dave. Every time you see somebody with a Illinois license plate and they're passing them, he goes, Illinois. Could be my wife, just passing them. Could be your wife. Are there any other questions for the chief? Okay. And we need a motion to approve the report. To approve or to file? I'll make a motion to accept and file. I'll make a motion to accept and file. Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed nay. Motion to approve or yes to approve or aye. Our next meeting will be February 15th. It's three weeks from now. There's potential that we'll be having a hearing. I think it's more likely further on. But just so you're aware, coming up in the next month or a month and a half or so, we'll probably have a fairly likely. So I won't be at that one then. For 15th? No, the 15th I'll be at. It's later in the month of February. We got a state. So we'll just need to make sure that Betty comes home. Actually, I think there's actually a lot of money because of the first. I'm actually out of the state from the 16th through March 6th. Oh, that's a long haul. Yeah, we're gonna place the closest during the whole season. So I'm gonna take your vacation. Okay, move on. Number nine, motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. Okay, so we'll say all in favor. All in favor vote aye. Aye. And we are adjourned.


Badger says, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. In the future is probably stick with the every other day videos. I really enjoy slowing down a bit so I can enjoy a place for a good 24 hours or so. And I felt like I was on a marathon or you know kept my big city commute mentality going here on the road. Yeah I'd like to get more quality drone shots, cinematic shots, and I have an entire box of books that I've had with me for like a year and a half. And you know how many of those books I've read? Yeah you guessed it. Zero. So today I'm reading a Walden. I figure the bus is my own pond. Where'd that book go? It's over here somewhere. Let's uh, oh it's right here. It's nice adventurous hard book. What are you doing today sir? I'm gonna rent some blogs. Awesome. Yep. Typing my way. See I could possibly do that if I didn't bump my head and if I slowed down a bit. Anyways yeah you got to get out here. How was your hammock last night? Oh it was phenomenal. Yeah?  It was great. If you guys didn't see yesterday's video we set up a hammock from handicap. I think it's like an anchor or something over to the other one because Michael popped his air mattress but it's still inflated. The patch is like right there. But yeah hammock anchor points. I think we should do that on on the build here. That'd be super fun. Alright so we're heading out of our our spot. The weather has quickly changed here. That's coming right at us. There's thunder and lightning and rain and all that fun stuff. I was able to accomplish something I haven't done in a very long time. I had like a two page kind of bio that I just wrote. Well thanks to Mike kind of pushing me to do it. I'm pushing him to make videos. He's pushing me to write more. My life is like a movie. It's crazy. A lot of serendipitous things and like every stage of how I got to where I am is like somebody popping up and being like hey I can help you with that. So we're pointing me in the right direction. So we're gonna head to town. I think Mike are you gonna hang out in the hammock? Yeah I'm gonna set out. Yeah I'm gonna see how it swings. So yeah we need to charge up and everything so let's hit the route. All right you ready? Yeah filling up the bus with a diesel. We're getting closer and closer to Canada. How's it going up there? I guess this is how you clean the bus windows considering he's a bus lifer himself. You missed a spot right there. I just saw a little house in the prairie get out of this commercial truck to the right. If anybody knows I don't know if those are... No this can't be... this guy's in Pennsylvania called Amish. It can't be Amish. It has to be like something else. Does anyone know? Because I was like oh my god like a little cowboy and then I saw like the whole like outfits and stuff. So maybe it's Utah. Mormons? I don't know. I don't know it's Montana. It's pretty close. Perhaps. I'm not really sure it was interesting not judging just documenting life observing my surroundings. Anyways I think today we're gonna install the headlights on the bus. I just picked up one at the UPS store and so yeah otherwise it's surprisingly hot and the sun is super intense up here don't you think? Yeah. I hope this isn't rude but I just there was more here so more people with those outfits. Anyways a big truck over there. Elk Creek Colony. I don't really know what colony this is and probably by the time you guys see this I'm gonna look it up because I'm so curious like what is going on out here. I love it. I'm curious. I know it's weird right but it's cool whatever they're doing like I like it. It must be I wouldn't be upset with a life in those hills doing some farming out there that sounds like really peaceful and fun.


I got it. Thanks. All right, cool. All right. So you just interrupt me whenever. So that's fine. Make it useful for you. Let's see. I'll have to log in here too. Because basically the goal here is just make sure I'm on the right page this to get workshop data into simple and the appropriate fashion. All right. Okay. So did you have a workshop in mind? It would be great to do. You said July. Yeah. Go back to July. I'm not sure what we had. I'm just going back here to the calendar. Sometimes that's easier. So how about your para training? Does that sound like a fun one? Oh, that one's in August. Yeah. And they don't and they don't register. They registered differently for that one. Mant would be good. Yep. There you go. Do a mint. August 11. We got it. All right. So if I go to the registration list from there, I can see who all came and that's great. And this is good. What you want to do after you've done all of the paperwork for the workshop. So you know who's actually came and who didn't come. Those kind of things. I believe these have been cleaned up already, right? Amanda, July, you've gone. Yep. Yep. So they're all powers here. So. Oh, okay. So they've been ready. They've been cleaned up. They're the correct data ready to pull over. Yes. Cool. And so you know all about that. Obviously that seems like it's not a big thing with regard to manage things in OD. Because if you go to here, this allows you to cancel them or mark that this person didn't come. Those kind of things should be lovely. Okay. So I'm going to cancel that. So once you're here on the registration list page, they have an export for simple. The good thing is this kind of does all the magic for you. It filters out the canceled people, ads and the others. So I'm going to go ahead and do that, which opens up Excel for me. And this is where you can do some manual type things too. So what you'll notice is there's nine, eight lines of data here, but there are, you know, a lot of people. There you want items. Well, some of them are canceled. That is a little bit disconcerting sometimes when you look at that because, but realize that we're grouping them together by school. So like this school has six people, that one has eight, that one has four. I don't know what those are. I didn't really write that in the report, but this little county district number is the magic to make simple understand who you're talking about as far as schools go. And so that does the work for you. And then also it puts the staff members, those are our comma separated for whoever is affiliated with that in the registration system. So there's getting that data. So now I'm going to switch over to simple and log in. Have you been able to log in yet? Yes. Thinking hard. Maybe I didn't type it in right. That's possible. Really happy there. Let's try this again. Log in. Good. I'm happy. So this census happened in July. You'll want to be a little careful. It's really, though, it's the time of year that's the only problem because you want to not put it in this year. You want to put it in next year. And on August 1st, it switches to July from 22 to 23. So up here, once you're logged in, you can switch back to last year. And that's what we'll want to do. And you'll notice the numbers change when you do that. So that just means, you know, we have almost no participants so far this year, which totally makes sense. And a whole bunch from last year. So you switch to that. And under the admin section, there is an activity logs area. And what's going to happen here, I'm not going to do this because it's probably going to try and default to issue 10. So I'll demo it. And then I'll have you guys push the button that actually makes it happen. So when you do it. So that I'll go as far as that. So I can do this. There's two different options here. One is activity logs and one is activity logs, including the service. We're going to pick this one because we don't have the service included on this. We just know that MANT training is this coming up service. So I'm going to do this one. And what happens is you get the data out of Excel and paste it into this text box here. So I'm going to show you how to do that. Pretty straightforward. You just highlight what you want. By the way, if you need to manipulate anything in here, you could, you know, if you wanted to have some different things, it's possibility. I wouldn't probably do it most of the time. But so I just highlight that, copy it, go back over to simple. I pasted it into there. And it looks okay. But then we'll parse the text, which that means it's going to go through, look at each line, say, can I find that school? Can I find those staff members? All of those kind of things and give you a hint of what's going on. So one thing that we have a problem. That's good. I'm about broke. Because we have a thing where a staff was not found. And that comes from here. And we have, yeah, I bet that Gina or Tracy are not affiliated with their new trainers. Gina is a new trainer. Okay, Gina is a new trainer. So I'm going to go ahead and I'm just going to cheat. I'll show you how I do this a little bit. I think you've got permission to do this. If not, Gina can log in and then an account will be provisioned for her. Since you're wanting to get things done, let's not fiddle with that. So I'm going to just ignore this right now. We want to try and fix that. Basically, what that means is we did not find one of the people that you put in for the staff. There was a misspelling in the because we matched by email address. And so if I go to staff, I think you guys have this. She did not use her Gmail account is the problem. Okay. So you would just need to copy that email account over instead. Yeah, so you could put that in there. So like I said, you can manipulate things in Excel. But to make things, you know, to put that in there instead. Now that's annoying. You have to be there every time. So a couple of things to think about there, probably since they're going to log into the registration system with the esu8.org account. Anyway, that would be probably better to just change it in simple to be I think we need to tell her to use the other account. Okay. Yes, everyone was supposed to change to their Google account. So that poor demand, it would not have to. But that's something that we will have to follow up on our end. The good news is those are all the same. So I can just do a fill down. And I don't have to teach it once. So now let's try it. Same story. Get hold of all the data I want. If you do more than you want accidentally, which I'll just demo that. It's okay. But it'll probably whine at you. Anything red is something you have to address, right? Pretty much. Actually, I figured it out. So that's okay. Whatever. So then once you have that selected, you're going to notice that, okay, these are esu8. That's West Hole. All these, if you have none in the problem column, that makes you really happy. This one is is just because Excel likes to have an extra line in there sometimes. And so it's okay since nothing's here in the data points. It's just an extra. You can ignore that one. But then you pick the service up here and it has a searching thing. I don't know what. I think it would go under Sped PD. Is that possible? If that's, I don't know, but I'd have to. All right. So, Demanda, for your information, when we sent an event request, that form that you and I were dabbling with the other day, this is where they are selecting that you might have to go back to that form to figure out what service to put it under. Okay. I don't see. We had the discussion. Maybe it just goes under. Yeah. We have a professional development. I don't remember, but. So, once that gets figured out, you pick that and then you can click the do import and that'll bring those in for you. And they will show up. If you want an activity, if you want to verify, you can go to the activity logs and it has the whole, all of them listed. So, if you wanted to look up that man training, because that's the way that the name was, it's not showing up right now because it didn't do the import, but then you could actually do a search for that and then bring it up in that way. Oh, and also doesn't ever find that in the issue 10 when you're issue eight, but that's the point too. That's why my service is not working right because I'm looking at my service is not yours. So, again, that's where you're going to have to do it in your case. So, there's some of those things. But that's pretty much it. Get your Excel from the registration system, copy paste it, select the service and you're done. Most of the times that'll be perfectly fine. We found a few road bumps where that may not happen. Another thing that can happen, let's see, I think I still have this in there. Let's say that we have the number wrong for the school. It will say, hey, I can't find that school. And so that's what that would look like. That's not going to happen very often, but we have that in your area where we had a new school invented, Summerland. And then we're like, what the heck's going on with this? And so then we had to find the right number and get it all figured out. And it's not a hard thing to do, but it is just something they have to deal with. And sometimes this time you hear those things happen, but sometimes you should be solid. If it's a parochial school that hasn't joined us for PD or something in the past, we might not have it in correctly either. So the other thing to think about too, to match that up, because these schools here in the registration system have the CDN. So this has the, you just basically have to make that number match in both places. And this comes from NDE. So you should be able to kind of consider this kind of the standard. So let's say we had, I don't know, Elgin, there you go, St. Boniface. Okay. Say they have a, I just remember that because we used to play them in sports. They have this county district number right here. The reason they call it a county district number is because the first one, first two is a county designation, which doesn't match with their license plates, but you know, wouldn't that be nice? And then the next four is a district designation. And then the last three is the school goalie designation. So it would be, a lot of times the high school is like 101. And then, but in here, since we only concerned about districts, I just put 0000 and it works out fine and I can do the math on the back end. So let's say that maybe St. Boniface wasn't reflected in the registration system. I can go into this place, find accounts, there's this entity list and they're part of Pope John. So then we can go to Pope John. If I look at that, they have the county district number and that's what I had caught so that works like it's going to work out fine. And so when I match those, I ignore the last two digits. I just look at the first four, first six and it works out fine. So that one already had it. But if you needed to update that information, you could do it in the registration system, then you do a running report again, you get a match, everything's happy and go from there. So that's kind of some rabbit trails a little bit on there are some of the exceptions that have happened, but they don't happen very often. Good chance you'll forget and then you just have to call me anyway and we'll be fine. Any other thoughts or questions? Yeah, what if we just have like a Google spreadsheet or Excel spreadsheet of people and we want to upload them, not from OD? Yeah, so you had that. The tricky part about that is we need to know which school they're at. And so then the school, I don't think I have in the activity log uploader. With the service one, I think I allow you to put in the service name and then tries to match by name if it finds it. But it still requires the county district number. And that's kind of the matching point. So we got it. That's the hard part is getting that number out. Now, if you want to, you could do that from your entity list. If you wanted to say, you know what, hey, I only want a certain list of them. I think, I don't know if it matches here, because you don't really want to have all this stuff from other places. I thought we had a way to pull up just those from. But what we could do then is from here, you can export this and give a list. Maybe that's the easiest way to come up with the entity to county district number. And I just lied there. I don't think it's in there. It was only six schools, 88 people, but six schools. So we just have to find the six and then. Yeah. And then you'll want to also combine them into one line, probably. So if you had 25 from this school, you just put that as that. But this is a great template. You can take this and just take that, start a new sheet and say, okay, well, this is what I want to do. So then I can fill in the blanks on that. And it'll, it's a little manual, no question about it, but it would, it's doable. Okay. It's kind of what I thought. And then once we get that created, you just copy it in and parse your text same way. Yep. Okay. And, you know, the resource and location you can leave blank if you want to that one or anything. It just wants to have a folder probably for it. So. Okay. Any questions, Demanda? Well, if you pull something, because I think I did, when a couple weeks ago when I first asked Molly, I was trying to do it on my own. And I think I did the export for Excel and pulled that into that first July. I don't have to pull the calendar back up and like went through the steps. Is there a way, can I change, can I go back and put the export from for simple into that spot if I've already pulled it over in a simple. So you're saying maybe you got it in the wrong year? I got the, I think I brought the wrong data, like Excel sheets instead of that simple sheets. Oh, well, it probably would have yelled at you significantly. That probably didn't ever do it really. Okay. Because then I was panicked and I got Molly and then I just stopped touching it. The, what you can do is do a little searching in your list and see if you see anything, but I'm probably right. If there's a red thing in there on the problem and you try to import it, it will just ignore it. Okay. Doesn't know what to do. So it will, you know, if you had 20 items and 19 of them had read, you would import one item. And so that would be hot work. But the tricky part of that is, you know, if you're trying to catch those, you don't want to do it twice because you could get duplicates on that. But usually you'll know all you need to know before you push, they do import. And go from there. Good question. Nate, I've got a quick question about OD and Heidi being on here, you can help too. Is there, and maybe we've already answered this, is there a best way to enter an event in OD that happens multiple times that gets the most accurate data over to simple without doing them each a separate time? Because sometimes if we put it in there, it's happening four dates and they register once, but they don't actually come each date. Have we addressed that, Heidi? I know, I think I've talked to Nate about it. But to be honest, that was a while ago and I'm not sure of the answer. Did Nate leave or is he still here? Yeah, he's here. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I can't see. There you are. Well, that's a good question. And then the thing of like, okay, well, we did the new Teacher Academy and they're coming once a quarter. Yep. I mean, don't do that, I guess would be that. I think there were pros and cons to either. And you just, you might be on your separate times and for registrations, or you do one and have to deal with some of the people not coming either way. Yep. Yep. So it doesn't really matter. Yeah. Yeah, I think you could just, I would be kind of consistent. So you're used to it, I think, and be the big deal. And in OD that sometimes that's awkward, because when do you send a bill? Okay, is it before the first, you know, you send it four days, here you go, or I'm going to bill after Gellis said then. So show when you came or not. So yeah, those are just kind of. Okay. Well, then we'll just keep doing what we're doing and figure it out. Yeah. I don't think you're going to have a wrong way. It's just those are hard. Yeah. I wish we had a, if you come up with a genius way to handle that, I would love to know because I don't know. You're the genius that's why I was asking. Okay. So I still pull those over every month then if it had four times, and it's not the fourth one. I'm trying to follow. I would think you would pull it over for each workshops and not the sessions necessarily, but for the whole workshop. So like, like that mant one day one and day two, those are two separate sections and that'd be okay. You can pull those separate. So whenever you do the paperwork on mant day one, then pull it over into simple. Go back and look at a letters one, multi volume down there. There's a letters just down a little ways. Okay. Okay. So there she's got four dates. Right. They only register once though. I would do that April 6th or whenever you wrap up the, the paperwork for that workshop.  So it doesn't matter, but you're only going to do it once. Yeah, I would say do once per workshop, even if it's multi day. So then we do the export for this. One thing you'll notice on that, you can run the exporting time. It's going to think about it. Okay. And the duration. So it does, here's the dates. And that's six hours that day. But then this day has that many days. And you might notice probably too, when you do mark who came and who didn't come, that will change the number of people that attended for that school. So it's going to still reflect every day in there. So even if, you know, Pierce came, they're going to show up four times one for each day in the export. And then that'll come in as an activity log. I guess for me, I think that means probably you could do the export after each day. But I think I would prefer to just do it. I mean, if I was doing it, I would do it after the whole things over. So that I know that I've done it all at once instead of, did I do that date or did I not do that date? And just for me, mental gymnastics of remembering what I did or didn't do. But you can do it however you wish. Or you could do it just once, but after the first meeting too, because it's not going to change, right? No. Well, technically it could because let's take a look here. Well, some people may not come the second. Yeah. If they are marked, they're not. Oh, okay. Yep. Yep. It would change. So you're right. At the end. Okay. So that way, because, you know, or you would have to go in, if I'm just doing the October one, I would uncheck all the other boxes and just upload. No, that won't work either. What I would do is download that spreadsheet and then just highlight the October dates and copy and paste that over. Done. Yeah. I mean, if it really depends on how we want to use the data, do we want schools to have that data before April 6th? Yeah. If for some reason they need that, then demand it can go in and just do the sections by copying just those dates in that spreadsheet. That's probably most accurate. So if you want more up to. So that's procedures you guys will have to work out, but certainly can do it whenever you need to. Okay. Got it. Thank you. That's helpful. Those are always the hard ones. I have another hard one for you, Nate. Oh, no. And Amanda, I don't know the recording. So I don't I don't know that this affects demand. I know that.


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Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE. Covering Dell Technologies World 2019. Brought to you by Dell Technologies and its ecosystem partners. Hello everyone, welcome back. Live, CUBE coverage here in Las Vegas with Dell Technology World 2019. I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. Dave, winding down three days of wall-to-wall cover. Got two senior guests from Dell Technologies here with us. Greg Bowen, senior vice president, CTO of Office of the CIO Dell Technologies and Gary Weissman, senior vice president, Office of the CIO. Guys, welcome to theCUBE, good to see you. Thank you, great to be here. So we had Howard on, we had the CFO Tom Sweet on. Digital experience is a big part of it. On the news announcements, a lot of cloud stuff, but also a lot of workplace, workforce, human resource kind of vibe around the client edge. Digital technologies, work space, unified work spaces. All pointing to the benefits of what cloud and data can do, ultimately the end of the day. It has to drive great value in apps, but also user experience.  This is one of the core themes of the show. You guys have a digital, Dell digital way kind of mission. What is that about? Tell us about that, because you're doing it internally, not even dog fooding, you're building it out in real time, rolling it out. Tell us, take us through the Dell digital way. Yeah, so the Dell digital way. If you guys have a Google digital transformation, good luck, the first six or seven results are all paid. Someone's trying to sell you the story on digital transformation. We're out there, and we're doing it all ourselves. We go to market with the IT transformation, workforce transformation, security, and application transformation. A lot of people are choosing to do those one or two at a time. We're trying to do it all at the same time. So we had to develop a way that allows to accelerate our path through that, and we call it the Dell digital way. It's really a people process and technology transformation that allows us to change our underlying culture. Really, the way we interact with the business, start with the business and the user first, and then work backwards from that. So the people part, it's really taking things from big functional silos that have a lot of matrix overlays and creating small balance teams that own their code. On process, it's taking very large programs that are just generating risk all the way up and breaking those down into small deliverables where you have very low risk. And then on the technology side, this is where we are drinking our own champagne. We're actually employing our reference architecture from VMware and Pivotal, all the way through the Dell EMC technologies in our own data centers, so we can operate as a multi-cloud environment as well. So it's not just an announcement from the top saying, okay, just go digital. We're hearing from some of the insiders in the hallways here at the conference, it's hardcore. It's training, agile training. I mean, this is not just talk, talk, talk. You guys are actually getting it done with the training. How important has that been? Because at the end of the day, everyone has all these kind of, they talk to talk, I might not walk the walk. It's training and getting the people right. At the end of the day, we have to change 10,000 hearts and minds in order to transform. And that means you have to touch those people and you have to actually train them to operate in the new world. If you don't do that, you can put all the technology you want into the environment. If they don't know how to use it, it does you no good. So we're starting with getting our people up skilled, getting them trained. We're taking program managers, putting them through full stack developer training. We've got our first sixties that are going to be graduating this summer. And then we're training the rest of them on the pivotal way. So that's really about starting with that customer and working backwards, user center design. How do people get the, how do companies get the people side, right? Because we all kind of work in the big companies. You guys are a lot bigger now at Dell Technologies, where kind of the old world was, let's reorganize, it's not working. You reorganize, it's a matrix organization. You know about agile teams, there's a lot of kind of HR issues that someone might be great on one team, not great on another. And so it's really about the attraction of talent, retaining talent, knowing when someone's a fit. Is this ad hoc? How do you guys get that right? Cause that seems to be a big part of it. Cause you got to be, to be agile, you don't want to be doing reorgs after the fact. Oh, we didn't post the numbers, we weren't successful. Let's reorg, which means failure. So how do you guys get that right? I think it's partly skills assessment going in, right? You actually know which people are right for which skills and there's really three key skills in this. There's the product manager, the product designer and engineering. And then there's a lot of people that come into the balance team after the fact. So it's really understanding where your teams are today and then getting and finding paths for them in the future. I don't know if you have any. Well, I also have to say, obviously being a company that presents itself as one that's modern from a development standpoint, our infrastructure, a place where really that next generation of developer or product manager or designer wants to come and work because they can see how we're really operating in this digital age. It's another key thing for us to make sure that as we recruit folks, particularly as we look at college hires, they're looking for those types of places to come to work. And so part of it's the workplace. We make sure that we have a modern looking workspace. We have open seating areas. We have lots of collaboration spaces for people to get together in. And of course with the technologies. We're very lucky to have such a rich set of technologies available within the company itself. So we have the pivotal methodology we use, but we have pivotal cloud foundry, which is a great way for people to go and build applications and run them in the cloud. We obviously have all of the things from a security standpoint that help us make sure that our customer data is secure. And so we can give them that insight as we bring them in. If we're trying to recruit people like the college hires as well as other industry folks that we're trying to attract, that we're in this big motion and we have scale. Right, that's the one big difference. South of the playbook then is, the playbook to get this right is core team, get that core fabric of whatever the objective is, product engineering, and then platooning people through and cross pollinating based upon what the situation might be. I need a little cloud. I need a little bit of hyperconvergence. So you kind of, it's kind of like a combine workout. It's kind of like sports. Yeah, I think you know, as Howard had mentioned previously in some of the other sessions, with such a large organization, there are people who are going to be really game for the change and really want to shift towards this new way of working. There are folks that are curious. And then there's a small percentage that may decide that this is not a journey they want to be a part of. And so it's really, as we go through those motions of saying, here are the plans of where we want to go. Who are the people that are going to opt in and who do we want to help move forward from a skills perspective? So a couple of challenges that I see. I wonder if you could help us understand how you address them. You've got business, users, apps, and then the tech comes last. Okay, it makes sense. But I'm sure there are a lot of similarities across how big it is, Dale. It's like hundreds of thousands of people. A lot of similarities, but there's also some unique requirements. So how do you deal with that? You try to find the overlaps and say, okay, 60% nail it and the others. Maybe we build snowflakes or maybe we just burn some bridges. How do you guys address those dissimilarities? So the good news is the frameworks that we're building and the decentralization of decision making allows you to address some of those dissimilarities. We've got applications that have built ground up cloud native. They're a green field. They started in the cloud. They started on PCF and they are really prepared for this journey. We have other applications that have been sitting in the data center for decades, right? And everything in between. We've found that we can create technology pipelines that can actually get all of those applications to production the same way. So there's one thing out of the way. The building process of writing software and deploying it to production standardized. The next step is when you decentralize decision making and you get the product teams to own their code, you get better decisions. So it's about creating a framework that allows you to handle the variety of challenges and use cases that are thrown at you. Okay, so you're also a 35 year old company. You got, there's all this technical debt hanging around. How do you deal with that? Maybe you could give some examples of situations where you said, okay, this part of the portfolio we're going to leave alone. You know, maybe some old cobalt mainframe. You're not that old. You're not that old. Oracle database. And we're not going to touch that. But how do you deal with that technical debt challenge? Yeah. I think, you know, the way we've looked at it is really where's the need for us to move fast? Because when you look at digital transformation, it's really about making sure that, yes, we're customer centric, we have high quality, but also that we can move quickly with the new expected fees of business. And so we've looked at it in the respect that a lot of the customer facing type of environment, so Del Marcom or our B2B site for customers or anything that service facing, those are the ones that we want to make sure we focus on iterating quickly versus, you know, the auto management system per se. So the auto management system, you know, it's an area that we're working on from a transformation standpoint, but it's not as critical to be able to move as quick there to keep up with customer features that they're expecting in this digital age. And so we look at it from a portfolio standpoint and again from an outcome perspective, and where do we want to have an impact that the customers or the employees will feel most immediately. And so that's how we prioritize things in this time.  Champagne's not quite ready yet. Just want to be champagne. So you, I'm sure have a lot of people trying to, hey, try this out. You guys are busy.  What role do you play in that regard in terms of beta testing, you know, do people love you? Do they hate you? Like you tell on them? How's that all work? We should be our first and best customer and actually our hardest one. So, you know, we've actually taken some of the container technology and run it through its paces. And early revs of that just wasn't ready for us, but we did put it into a non-production environment and started working on, okay, how can we utilize this for maybe non-production workloads? Some of the DevOps stuff, we're just needing, say, runners in a container to move code from point A to point B. So we can start flexing it and exercising it and give feedback where, you know what? It's not going to really handle some of our production workloads, but here's what you need to do. So we want to be the first and hardest customer. Yeah, I was going to say, it's not always a negative in that, yes, we might encounter issues. So we've adopted PCF, the Pivotal Cloud Foundry, a lot over the last year and applications. And yes, we've discovered things that either it couldn't do or there are issues with. And the fact that we have that close relationship with the product team, we can actually ask for new features that they will actually then go ahead and develop for us in order to support our business. But I presume with such a large portfolio, you have to be somewhat selective, right? You can't just take every new product. Okay, and so how do you measure the value? What are the key metrics that you're trying to lever? Yeah, so when we went and did this, we pulled the business case, right? Because it's a sizable investment. And we look at adoption of behaviors. So are you adopting the methodology, the agile Pivotal methodology? Are you adopting test-driven development? Then how does that impact our key performance indicators? Are we reducing user incidents and production incidents? Are we getting stories from the business into production faster? Or is it the velocity picking up? And then all of those outcomes lead to the business outcomes. Are we reducing our total spend? Are we becoming more technology focused, more development focused than say program management focused? So we have a nice cascade of adoption of behaviors, key performance indicator changes and then actually business metric outcomes. You guys make it sound so easy. Greg and Gary, thanks for spending the time. I know you guys have a hard stuff, but I want to get one last, a couple quick questions in. One of the things we're hearing is integration, the part of the whole Dell transformation. A lot of glue layer in the past, a lot of SI-like work being done in IT. How is that going for you guys? How is the heavy lifting of rolling out consistent infrastructure been and what kind of experiences is that throwing off for you guys for the end users? So I mean, I'd say, although I've only been in the company for the last couple of years, you know, I'm a Dell Technologies employee, not necessarily from either the business before, but from what I've observed and from what I've seen so far, integration's actually gone very well from a systems perspective for both the companies coming together at such scale. We have a North Star, so we have a strategy to make sure that where we have multiple systems and we want to end up with a single system, we're working towards that over the years. And likewise with the infrastructure, we have data centers that we're using, you know, now across different locations from both the entities as they came together that were continuing to optimize and modernize using the latest Dell Technologies. So from my perspective, as someone that came into the company a couple of years ago, it's very impressive at how well the teams- And that's where the efficiencies are going to be, right there too, right? Yes, it's amazing. The same of the sales tools as we're integrating those and making sure that we have tools where the sales people can sell the whole portfolio across Dell Technologies. It's another great benefit. T-Guy told me one time, he says, we're in business when we're out of business. Correct. Meaning, get that heavy lifting out of the way and shifting to the higher value capabilities with AI machine learning, doing much more higher crafted things.  But when you're invisible, it's good, right? Our job is to enable the business, ultimately. And if no one knows we're there, that's when it's actually working the best. All right guys, thanks so much. Real quick, go down the line.  What is the most important stories being told here at Dell Technologies? What's the big take on, what's the most important stories? Yeah, for me, I also own our AI capabilities in Dell Digital, so for us, it's just that huge amount of data that's being created on a daily basis and using technology to do something with it. And I think you have to be ready and prepared for that. So for me, that's one of the biggest takeaways. Gary, I would simply say that the dream, I would be able to run workloads in whether it's your own infrastructure or multiple clouds that are out there and manage it in a single place. That's one of my big takeaways now that we've released that with the Dell cloud. That's a huge step. Operational seamlessness and then using data to have specialism in apps, in every industry that's unique. Taylor, it's horizontally scalable but vertically specialized. I mean, it's like a whole new world. Very exciting. Guys, congratulations, exciting news. We've been talking about this for three years on theCUBE. A more, seems like more. You can see some visibility out there. Congratulations. Thank you. Cube coverage here for Dave Vellante, I'm John Furrier. Stay with more day three coverage. Two sets here in Las Vegas at Dell Technologies. We'll be right back.