hit to like a crazy amount in the short amount of time they're actually in combat and it all hits their armor but not the unprotected parts I don't know if it's better or worse for me I have to think about it over time I just I don't know that I can see that he has both happened to do you know the amount of bullets that laser shots that are fired at him that don't get to him like it's significant and we're not even counting all the times where he should get shot in just episodes 1 to 3 no sorry it happens in episode 1, 2 and 3 but 2 they're stun shots so I'm gonna discount that 1 and 3 he gets surrounded by like 20 plus enemies that are all firing at him like no shots like obviously if they had hit his armor then it would be like oh well look at him obviously he should have and this is like I say I do agree with rags he should have been using the armor as a last resort and taking cover and it's there just in case that he was put he act like and you should only put yourself in a vulnerable position making it shot accidentally he should always be taking cover even with armor or the whole opposite his armor should be covering every inch of his body without any opening and then he could just tank everything because of that shot yeah it has to be specific like they need to make a big deal of it like this is really special armor this is an up armored variant of something else or we built this just for this one mission make a deal about it to say yeah it makes sense that he could go out there and reasonably expect to just tank hits also I'm not saying he never gets hurt I'm not saying he never gets hurt yeah so I said rags his complaint is that he doesn't try not to get shot yeah you should not you should try to not get shot yeah he behaves as if he can't be shot that's the kind of the problem there are some cases in the series where he does try yeah there are like in the first episode yeah in episode one like in the battle where he's fighting he does take cover yeah that's the thing that's why I like that battle more so yeah I prefer that too yeah I prefer that too yeah like armor and tanky cover yeah I agree yeah I like that so oh just the other thing about how did he survive when he didn't have armor I remember you making that comment was there a point when he didn't have armor because even the foundlings have at least the armor helmet and it's pretty easy to get juris still armor it's because the first two episodes he has he has some best guard but the other stuff is like normal I knew this would be a sensitive topic but holy shit chat there's loads of like assuming now that our point is he never takes cover it's like no no no one said this calm the fuck down like they're doing it in caps lock as well it's like chill out chill out I know it's Mandalorian I know everyone loves Mandalorian it's okay we're gonna get through this you guys are like real Nazis I saw like a lot of I don't want to sound like an asshole but like we have someone saying he takes cover in every episode lol he's like okay that doesn't address all the times where he doesn't exactly okay so let's try to think before we finish diving the savannah alright does he take hang on let's let's try and break does he take cover more often than not throughout the series he takes cover I would guess he takes cover more often than not probably I wasn't counting I mean yeah sure I mean like something that's 60% bad isn't as bad as something that's 70% bad sure yeah well obviously we're highlighting the flaws we're not like if the parts where he isn't doing that it's strange and you know like if you're wearing body armor in modern day obviously and shoulder pads that have basically his stuff but in modern times and someone pulls a gun on you it's just rare to just be like you'd be like oh fuck there's a gun yeah yeah but also one more additional point of the armor defense right is that I think he could be justified in saying screw it and just jumping out relying on his armor because when people are firing I don't know how much this applies in Star Wars but in the real world generally people always aim for center of mass and so it's more likely he's going to be hitting his torso or head I guess if people want to do an insta kill and those are his most armored parts and so he has more validity to rely on his armor because it does cover most of the vital areas essentially I'm not saying getting hit in the legs and everything wouldn't suck it's obviously would so there is a bit of a defense here yeah and again kind of back to chat a bit like you understand there are points in the show where he just like walks out into hails of bullets and gunfire I think my favorite one is when he just stands to take the shot from the assassin sniper in episode 5 he like wants to be shot it's really weird yeah like that's the thing he does things that I haven't rewatched that one because they were actively trying to avoid getting shot what is some he gets it's when he gets shot off his speeder he stands up she has him in the scope and he's just staring at it and then she shoots his chest plate well I'll talk about that when we come to it because there might be a defense there so we'll see it's just it's just strange that he's not doing anything to like you know even getting behind the speeder looking for a get behind anything at all drop do something he's just standing there that's right I think there could be defenses there because if she hits the speeder and explodes we know that nearby explosions can damage him quite a lot and so if he knows he's going to get shot there's no cover he can take by standing up there just that movement could actually encourage her to aim for center of mass more because it's more she's also tagged him like I think two times before that yeah at first she hits him twice and so she should and she's supposed to be one of the best of like I don't want to call her an assassin if that's not accurate but I'm just going to run with it for now it's weird that she just keeps shooting him in the place that she knows doesn't kill him even though it doesn't do anything yeah well I mean again this is this one that one's hard to try and determine should she be out there or like I personally like that because in the real world the best knife is in the world at such ranges it's very difficult to get him in the throat purposefully and stuff like just hitting just that's the I'm showing you the that's what she can see yeah that's this is after shooting him twice yeah yeah but even if she sees that we don't know how much straining the blaster bolt does over long distances that's what she does and she hit him twice from an even further distance while he was moving yeah but that's technically what a master sniper is trying to achieve just hitting them and just hoping that it's strong enough to blast through his armor and even Mandalorian says he's not sure his armor could take it and so like to me that makes perfect says like like she just wants to hit him and that is an achievement but she knows that hitting him in the chest won't work because she's already clarify he's standing still at this point and she gets a decent chunk of time to be able to aim this I'll try and show chat now it is and I want to show the clip itself but I really care about copyright because YouTube's annoying with this the assumption though even with armor is that if one hit doesn't work you've weakened it and perhaps more hits would she doesn't know that is wearing best guy does she I mean with blasters does it does blunt force is that like a factor well well see my like I feel if they were consistent blasters should have a lot more penetrative ability at close range they established it kind of in the first episode but then they give up on the consistency of it because that could be great if they were consistent that oh he's wearing armor we need to like get point blank range to be out to kill him that could be that's a great limitation in the functionality of blasters that they need to work through in the actual narrative of the story but they never they never go with it consistently because you know when they take cover or behind metal things it's always strong enough to resist whenever the convenience of the plot say yeah and so to me like hitting him in the chest center of mass at large range like if in the styles universe the master like if they take a more realistic approach that a master sniper it's a great shot if you can just hit them tag them at such distance and terms of pinpoint accuracy is just something unattainable because yeah but he's standing still and he's way closer and she has plenty of time to make the shot and she's put multiple rounds in his chest and she's extremely talented from what we understand yeah and she's like really really good at this stuff together and you're like like your criticism is just as valid as also saying that being master just means it's good that you're able to hit them and and to expect one or the other over the other option you can't really pick one they're both they're both kind of arbitrary and so this is just like a freebie shot so that's him standing up in the thing yeah he's just there either on his knees or just standing I think look I'm not saying it's a perfect defense but I'm saying the logic could be he wants her to hit him in the chest so it's presenting an open target to encourage it yeah that could work yeah and I just I find it bizarre that she wouldn't go for you can like see what's working on him in terms of armor she's shot him in the chest plate already as far as I'm aware the logic is a lot closer and so he already said that is not sure the out his armor itself would be out of survive at that close range and so her logic is that I've hit it twice it must be weak in his closer now so she could obviously assume and rely on the fact that this one should go through because he isn't aware of houseball she could just shoot him in the neck because she knows that there's no armor there so wouldn't you say that him acknowledging he doesn't know if it'll hold up is actually a reason for why it wouldn't make sense that he's just standing here instead of well what else if you can't take cover because the bike will literally just moving moving will make you harder to shoot I agree maybe just ducking to the side and rolling might have been better but if you're risking you're putting a lot of hopes in the sniper to give him a free shot that they're not just going to headshot you right here like he's taken up half her scope basically and she's just staring at him I don't know yeah I just I mean we can move on because yeah I don't think this is like look there are easily points to criticize it but it doesn't break the show and to me it's not a huge one even if there is Alan criticisms to be made it's just there are for sure bigger flaws for us to get to because for me things that break a show to the point where something happens so dumb that it ruins my enjoyment is like hyperspace ramming or they don't know which way is up that's like that's and you can't defend that crap I want to rapid fire some stuff just because I want to make sure we actually are progressing you know some way shape or form just some stuff just some stuff I will just say about his neck right his armor if you go back to the picture his armor went up high enough that it looked like that angle like there wasn't a gap between his helmet because he was like moving his holding his chin down and the armor the picture will just look at I don't think the neck was open fire no no like his his hunching his his helmet like I think he's looking slightly down a little bit but she's above him shooting downwards yeah yeah like aiming for that that's a very even if there is a gap it's very small and there might not be a gap because the helmet might be covering it he's hunching his chin down so anyway that's just another observation yeah this doesn't also get rid of the why doesn't she shoot him in the head thing when he's just well while his helmet made a best guy as well okay the slit the slit yeah the slit is annoying also it's a headshot with the right and I still think that the fact that he is so much closer in range and she's already hit him twice it's an easy you know thing for to feel that all right this actually but that would damage the head now that I'm thinking about the head shot it's like that body shot it seems to hurt him so the head surely would be the best option at this point the head could have enough concussive force to knock him out that's what I'm saying like yeah it's just like clearly a better decision to shoot the head I feel anyway moving along more of that rapid fire alright so don't you think it's weird that both Satan and the blue alien for some reason know the access code into his weapons or is it just that you press a button and it opens up his weapons case yeah I don't know what that's about it's weird maybe you should have locked them but like I don't know it's weird like if I was going to let aliens walk around my ship that I had captured was going to for bounty I would lock up my weapons safe so would I pretty risky to let your bounty wander around with the option to grab any guns it wants to I don't know why it's just a weird moment it's pretty interesting that he left his ship open so that the baby could just like walk out of his ship when he was on Tatooine oh wait he does that a couple times when I say rapid fire I'm actually trying to go chronological and some of these are going to be tiny some of these will be more significant I imagine keep going I should be able to keep pace with you because my next one is the little this is a nitpick of the nitpickiest nitpicks but the little continuity thing with a table Molly you found oh this shadow disagree with it would agree with that nobody would disagree with that but it's it's tiny so we're probably fine on that one like it's just they put money on a table when it's not supposed to be there and then it appears later it's just a small thing you guys are just nitpickers nitpicks if anything we thought it was interesting nobody on set noticed it all the editors but it happens I didn't notice it the first two times I watched the episode so um so I find it interesting that um Mando is meeting with his the people who are going to commission him for this job and a scientist walks into the room unarmed and he pulls his guns on him and pulls out his obviously other gun to defend himself for the room right so it's like okay so we established that Mando is quite edgy uh oh on edge I mean not edgy um and very careful I like this it's like he's he's like he needs to be in control of the room he needs to know what's going on at all times and they do it again when a little girl in episode four walks in like behind him and she's like she's just like whoa and I think he even might pull out his gun I can't remember if she's like oh it's fine it's fine it's just a kid and he's like okay and again I kind of like that as a sort of he's so like riddled with PTSD that he can't even trust the idea of a little kid walking by it's like okay however in episode four what he's working on his ship in the middle of the night in the fucking woods two dudes come up behind him and he's just like what do you want it's like oh okay uh we weird his his a nervous just devil's advocate did he see him before an approach and so he knew who it was they came up behind him in the middle of the night yeah but still like his visor thing could give him and he could have just glazed that direction and saw him much further away and so he knows it's them and then he keeps working when he's creating scenes that don't exist he doesn't know who they are though yeah you don't like what do you think he saw about the two adult men like no of course of course of course I don't hate you Chad I love you I know you guys hate me alright like I said rapid fire I'm gonna keep this going are we still in episode one yes every Mandalorian constantly wears their helmets question mark like in especially in not more size lead the place that they are in episode one I forget what it's called Navarro yeah so we should probably talk about that then the Mandalorian sort of sect or whatever you want to call it in Navarro are they all not allowed to take off their masks and they're all not allowed to go up more than one at a time except one at a time that seems you're circle you're turning green but we can't hear you oh sorry I wasn't saying I can hear you now okay sorry the mic is on sensitivity so you're gonna hear it'll just go green with very minor background also one more interruption before you go so he's startled at a little girl primitive but not too adult male primitives okay at night okay alright yeah but yeah the we learn that they only go up the Mandalorians only leave their hideout one at a time yeah it'd be nice to have that explained like why I don't know how a society can like if they're all bounty hunters do either work for the guild or they all are hunters of some kind I don't know how you could keep a society going if only one person is allowed to do stuff on top side and surely they'd be found eventually especially because he just walks in so this is the biggest thing I didn't even think about until me and Ragnis rewatched it you have Mandalorian go and get a big old tub of beska cool empire man establishes later that it's so neat to see beska be crafted by its artisans cause that's a very specific skill apparently Mandalorian gets it done in the same day he gets that beska on the same plan he didn't even leave does that not make everyone wonder where exactly he got that done it's like hmm and it literally does seem like you can just stumble into their hideout yeah there's no security in the last episode they actually showed that to get to that part there's a big tunnel complex like it's bad because there's a big tunnel complex but it's in a sewer he walks downstairs but I can't remember if there was a cut or not to like to establish that he could have walked through you can see daylight in the staircase yeah but was there a cut between the staircase and when he actually enters the thing I mean so at this point we have to assume that there was a door he opens there's no check because it's weird because they show in the imperial hideout that he has to the little butler robot pops out of the wall he gives the credentials it unlocks he goes in they have it for the imperial place but not for the Mandalorian hideout seems like a very very odd choice yeah it's hidden by there's an opening cause I'm watching it now I would show it on screen but I'm trying not to risk a copyright he moves like a blanket that's on a door he walks in there's a staircase that's lit up from something I just presumed daylight I don't know for sure and then he's already seeing Mandalorians from the moment he hits the bottom of the staircase like they are very close and the second time in episode 8 when they arrive they arrive there through the sewers through a separate way and they just walk in as well yeah terrible place to hide yeah all my point would be is I fail to believe they could have kept hidden for very long at all and this is much later on but when they exposed themselves why did they stay there did they not leave I thought they were going to leave yeah that's what that's one of my big problem and how in the world how would the world of the stormtroopers defeat them I know that was that was one of my because it's funny the stormtroopers are shit it's hilarious but they can also kill Mandalorians a whole all coven of them I agree big problem yeah so rapid fire I have here we talked about earlier just to reiterate why don't the Imperials go get baby elves things like later episodes show that they are not fledgling or weak they have lots of troops and stuff like that but we talked about earlier I do want to say it is I liked it first that the stormtroopers were wearing dirty and poorly maintained armor that was clearly worn and not to show that they're hiding and they're not getting cleaned up to show that they either don't have the supplies they used to that they are kind of skint on supplies that they're laying low that appearances aren't the most important thing for them right now and then every other time we see stormtroopers later they're all super clean super pristine so I was hoping that there might be a little showing it's just it's weird that one is one way while the other one with a clean in episode three when he goes in and fights them no okay well then it's just that these are the fancy ones for the higher up that he you know expects them to be all of the stormtroopers later they're pristine cleaned up perfectly maintained but these guys here who do have contact with the stormtroopers from later I guess they're just making do without supplies it's just it's odd to me I'm not going to really count it against the show much but I will say it is odd to see that inconsistency you would think that there'd be some cross it's odd that they wouldn't continue that I think for me I just assumed that the stormtroopers for the other guy are more well equipped and maintained and present themselves and the stormtroopers on that planet who were stationed there are dirty I didn't really notice but you would still think that if they're laying if anything if they're laying low and they're not in the field doing missions and doing work that their armor would be really good looking I don't know when you're away from real strict authority and stuff like that they were surrounded by the their guy they had their guy that one guy but turns out that guy was on them in terms of just maintaining presentability and chat wants me to clarify whether or not the Mandalorians actually died or if they left their armor she says because Mandalorian says did any survive she says I hope so some may have escaped offworld which imply I don't know about you guys but that tells me a lot of them died yeah also the armor is clearly got like hold shot in it and stuff like that so unless stormtroopers just really hated that armor laying on the ground which they should just use like that armor is worth a fortune if any of its best guys and you would think that the Empire who is supposedly not nearly as well equipped as before for pragmatic reasons would be like yeah this is a lot of money in this pile right here we could use money for outfitting I don't know maybe buying our guys some not really it's an inworld canon knowledge that stormtroopers occurs and no matter what they wear it automatically becomes paper thin they can wear best car and it's paper thin instantly and they'll still die well the rise of skywalker taught me that the force is a good answer for literally the dark side of the force is a pathway shut the fuck up sheep so I'm gonna for quick fire unless you guys want to continue on that the other point no it's just a one thing I didn't mean to talk about it too much this is potentially nothing I'm just curious did all of the bounty hunters get a down payment like Mando did in a bar of Besco good question I'd say no because there was a shit ton of them all I can say is did he get one because he's the best in the past Mandalorian I did say he was the most expensive I think that it's a different reason I think the reason is because multiple times does this character have a name the the imperial guy the bald guy Werner says multiple times he brings up the fact that the Mandalorians and the rifle way of things and returning it to where it belongs the best car so I think it's specifically he gave the Mandalorian the best car because he was a Mandalorian he seems to have a this idea of there's a natural way for things to be that the world needs to be returned to or that things should be and for him part of that is best car steal is something that Mandalorians have it's very possible that he probably gave down payments to the other bounty hunters if he did it all because they probably weren't as good as he was in just things like credits or what not but I think the best car was specifically for him I think it's an inference I just thought it was funny if they'd given the best car bar to like everybody I like this I like this in chat Herzog is a mandibu he does actually seem to be that's a good that's a good the themes of when he arrives on baby Yoda's planet so I don't know if there's anything else before we move in there for you Rex um yeah the next thing I have here is where he has gone to land on the baby Yoda planet yes right yeah I was wondering why he landed so far away and I have heard some people defended that you know you know him from the sky but then why couldn't you just fly in low once you land on the planet and get closer maybe they did like scanning but like scanners don't seem to be limited in planetary range if you can scan something on the planet does seem you can scan the whole planet so there's that and so it's hard to try and find a valid defense for it because yeah that's a long way to land also John Penn said you need to discuss the size of a parsec as long as we establish that he's the best in out of the Navarro that's pretty significant because that's the bounty hunter's guild it's like all of them are there and like even if you can't look it up and you're just going by why would he say that no one says he's the best guy in the neighborhood the best guy in this building yeah the best guy in this building let me see though how big is a parsec I think a parsec is 6 point uh something like a parsec is 1.9 plus 10 to the 13th power miles 3,262 light years hold on let me so one parsec is equal to 31 trillion kilometers and equates to about 3.26 light years so it's nothing parsec is not that big in the galactic scale still if you're the best guy in the if you're the best guy in 3.6 light years that means basically in 2 or 3 star systems max you're the best which I don't think that's insignificant there's a lot of bounty hunters uh yeah no exactly it's it's just funny because parsec they're pretty big but uh it's probably a galactic scale just because this does come up in episode 1 and we're kind of running through it quickly I'll mention one of my points of praise for the series that was present in episode 1 and then throughout the whole thing I like the consistent set pieces that were accurate callbacks to establish war so you know the the weird eyeball thing that comes out of things we saw the droids that we saw other things helmets and things and it was done beautifully well that like this is showing a very consistent star wars universe visually and I could enjoy just watching the star wars universe in each episode which also it didn't seem like it was just shoehorn din because it's a reference a lot of the stuff it seemed like it made sense where it was not exactly made they integrated it naturally and consistently and they didn't like there were new things but they didn't make up crap that quantity like why like for instance the bombers like you got wire wings that are so much better like and those weird things on the on the on the salt planet and stuff like this was not trying to recreate star wars it was just trying to be star wars and I appreciated that I agree so he pulls up his sniper and he sees a creature looks pretty vicious heading right toward him and instead of firing his vaporizing flash gun he decides to try and pull out his pistol I think is it yeah no he does flamethrower yeah flamethrower yeah so he's he lands where he lands for whatever reason he's scanning around for something he's looking through the scope of his rifle with his rifle rays looking around a essentially a wild beast for all he knows pops up right in front of his scope right in front of his reticle and he instead of shooting it he instead pulls his rifle away and then instead of getting his blaster he readies his flamethrower really strange choice I would like to submit this for the list of he's an idiot like yes I would need to watch that scene again because I can't read also I've got it on screen if you're able to see the stream if I can just bring up disney plus in the background and that means I can also reference things just while we're talking about it I can pull along it's so strange that his first port of call in terms of defences is a flamethrower with which if anything would probably piss the thing off seems very inefficient maybe he was hungry I just mean out of all of his choices he gets to kill it and he just stays but yeah it's just obviously we also know that his gun is like a cattle prod and he doesn't choose to use it that way he doesn't fire it he doesn't pull his blaster he just uses his flamethrower yeah why didn't he immediately shoot he like lowers his gun that's pointed right at it so he used a flamethrower there we are yes afterwards it pops up and instead of again shooting it he lowers his weapon brings it to the side and he tries to in fact he activates his flamethrower but it grabs there's not even much of a chance for him to aim the flamethrower it's all very strange it's a stranger I can't remember so this could be a completely inaccurate telling but my memory was like I thought he saw one it wasn't a threat cause it was far enough away so he lowered it and then he was attacked from the side from another one no no it's the same one here's a screen shot I don't know if it's the same one this one like yeah I mean even if it wasn't the same one you're still shooting the one that's in your gun sight right there especially because oh big monster teeth it's strange that it wasn't heard beforehand cause these things go blah blah blah it's weird that like oh yeah the jumpscare it's kind of like the scene in Avengers where Black Widow is walking around and then she just looks up and Hulk is suddenly screaming at her and it's like oh where'd you come from also he's lucky like I'm looking at it now look at that bite it takes like he's lucky that arm didn't come clean off cause he looks at one and he sees it in the distance and then he keeps on looking and he keeps on looking around and then this one just pops up right in front of him right in the middle of a scope right where he's pointing and I guess he's like oh okay I'll try to flamethrow it yeah all I gotta say is just he likely didn't have it loaded ammo is rare okay what hang on no I mean that's a very powerful gun and if you thought he could take it out easily with something else and not waste the valuable ammo I don't disagree with that the idea there's not loaded though I don't know why would he not have a bullet in it well no no no if he wasn't intending to use it and he just wanted to use a scope to like a telescope to hang on wait because he's there he had no indication that it was a monster it really looked like he just wanted to scan the this time now I know this is probably being too generous I've been trying to excuse it because it's not explained in the show but if he was just using it as a telescope and it wasn't loaded it makes pretty logical sense that he would need to throw it or side quickly to get his flamethrower there because the thing literally jumps up in front of him without warning and it does look like it's a separate one I'm just looking at Disney Plus yeah but it's not like it's he didn't confuse it for a different one somebody said it jumps up in front of him so you can remove the scope yeah he covered the scope so this is invalid well no no no hang on if I had a scope on the thing and it's just as easy to look through it while it's attached to the gun it's not that easy well no if I'm holding the gun like and it takes you know I could attach it and just look through it that's not something to really do but he doesn't do it later then does he yeah he does when he's later on he uses the exact same scope when he gets the compound but he doesn't have it attached to the rifle when he knows there are bad guys that are armed right in front of him that he's looking at I'll certainly give you that one but I think the defense that if he was just using the rifle as a telescope to scan the vista this thing jumps up in front of him and it's a very short time between it appearing so yeah he sees one in the distance and by the way this loads more to the scene I'm happy to sort of if we can slink along a little bit or not the points have been made sort of thing I was going to say of all the times to not use your flamethrower I would say this is really not a good idea bad though you should probably use it now yeah which one is that? when he's got one arm trapped in the first one that's been tranked and he's like oh god I'm going to die it's like dude flamethrower now yeah now do the flamethrower get damaged because he's getting chomped on his pistol is on his right hand side though his pistol is on his right hand side so he can run his first arm that gets chomped down was the arm with the flamethrower oh my god he has access to his gun he doesn't even try yeah I just said it I tell that to you when we watch it I'm like man I guess he just doesn't shoot this guy well this is one of those clear parts that he didn't need to shoot him because he was about to be saved I know that's what I mean that's what I mean he was saved by Deus Ex Machina and he clearly knew that that was going to happen I think we've established that can you at least concede he behaves very strangely in this scene I think the part that's indefensible is not reaching for his sidearm everything else can be defended mostly I reckon it is literally a second one he's looking to his right when Andy sees the one in the distance then changes his perspective and is looking in front and then one jumps in front of it so it's a completely different monster he doesn't have enough time and if a gun wasn't loaded he has to throw it aside and then he goes to try and use his flamethrower then his flamethrower gets chomped easier to get out of his damage he's going to cattle prod on it yeah good point he could have used a cattle prod which as you know could have used the cattle prod it's a little further away from him too well hang on well the other thing is he nearly as deadly as a flamethrower and so he could have been wanting to kill it then I don't know he doesn't have a guarantee I don't have a cattle prod could it? it's called a cattle prod if I was that beast I would much prefer he used the flamethrower because by the time it even has time to like beyond me it'll just be a second and I've already charged him he'll probably be dead if he uses the cattle prod he can do whatever he wants with me sorry I just saw one of the super chats it's great he says he should have milked it and gained its trust what type of milk is it would that qualify as rhino milk? space something it's got it looks like a cattle with legs or something I guess going back to the argument if someone and again this is just me being devil's advocate if someone was really desperate to defend it they could take the defense that the cattle prod wasn't strong enough to take something down that big it's effective against humans no chance he could have knocked it out in one prod with this beast and so I threw it aside to try and use the flamethrower wasn't quick enough his arm gets chomped that damages his flamethrower so he can't use again but the thing that can't be defended is why doesn't he just grab his blaster the thing is the issue I have with the flamethrower is that a flamethrower is not going to kill it straight away it's just going to charge you and be on fire like it's it's not going to kill it straight away it probably has a really thick hide that's because it's a wild hang on fire is usually extremely effective at scaring off animals yeah but by that time it's already committed to charging you it's already too close getting burned on your face it's instant pain animals react very strongly but hang on if you're arguing for the best thing to do then it would be the vaporizing bullet surely well no no no if it's not loaded I refuse that argument it's not loaded hang on hang on this is one that you can't prove either way but why would it not be loaded like why would we not put a bullet in it because he wasn't intending to use it he was just trying to scan this there on a mission that he knows is very dangerous clearly scanning for something the fact that it wouldn't be loaded is very silly yeah that's why he didn't use his pistol this fight because that wasn't loaded either even if you say it's a mistake I feel it's a really sick mistake that doesn't portray him being well I mean this one thing that he didn't have it loaded even if it was a mistake it doesn't portray him as being a bumbling idiot yet okay well the thing is I saw something mentioned earlier maybe he panicked and made the wrong decision it's like well then he's not a very good bounty hunter then if he's like panicking and making that's your job this is your job like all of these things like this is like eight episodes of all and these are like tiny compared to stuff he does later on you know like this all adds up in this short amount of time I'm noticing Chad it doesn't seem like Chad an understanding that I'm purposely trying to be devil's advocate not that I agree with the points I'm making I'm just trying to give the strongest defense that other people would try and make for Mandalorian and especially because by testing any defense possible I think it's much better it enables us to really find the indefensible mistakes and that stand as a legitimate criticism like the fact he didn't reach for his sidearm when he was about to be charged that one is indefensible but we reach that by looking for any other defenses so that's what I'm doing guys okay I'm not trying to be an anal kind of yeah it's okay Chad it's a Chad I understand it's okay Chad because whenever in chat sometimes I'm like oh no for example I said I would be more concerned about a cattle prod if I was that thing because then I'd be stunned and you could do anything he wants to me and I was in my head thinking about like you could take that joke in a couple ways but people in chat were like you realize cattle prods don't kill people I was like that's not what I was saying that's not what I was saying if you incapacitate something it's not your mercy yeah that's that's entirely what my point was but you know it's alright it's fine Chad everybody as if the point that was if you have training you will never panic as if that as if that's the point you made um I was gonna say we can kick on because there's a lot with this moment so um Lucky Quail was in the area, Quill sorry Lucky Quill spotted the ship slash Mando and Lucky Quill is a person who is willing to save his life because he for some reason assumes that he's going to be helpful rather than allied with the people he wants out of this place yeah very convenient and it is a contrivance um yeah I completely agree and Lucky saved him before he was killed yeah like like this one doesn't break it I fully admit it's you know a problem and if I was writing this I wouldn't want something as contrived like that in my own writing it doesn't break it for me because you do learn to have to put up with it because this is the this is a very similar contrivance that happens in so much well the thing is like I know what about is him and it doesn't invalidate uh the criticism the criticism is completely valid and I agree well the thing is I'm kind of used to it because this is a common one when it comes to contrivances anyway it's like yeah it could happen it's just really unlikely you know it's a couple at once as well it's not just the one yeah it's pretty because the whole planet seems pretty empty but he happens to land in the one place where he gets immediately attacked and the one place where Nikonazzi is just sort of around to clarify is his name is his name quail quill or quill I thought it was quill his name is quill K U I L quill it is all right okay because I'm pretty sure Mando at one point says quill yeah I was I was unsure but I had been writing quill so we'll go with quill yeah quill so I guess just one final note on the scale of contrivances there are one like there are ones that are so much worse like a dagger that happens to absolutely to the that star that you just happen to see in the exact position that you know all that stuff and so even though it is that there are ones that are far worse that if it was something that bad that would kind of be like you know ruining the episode for me but this one all right I can this is one that's very commonly thrown at the episode couldn't Mando just park his ship way closer to the outpost yeah I agree all right could we think of any logical way to just well one of the things that I was thinking before was there was something along the lines of he didn't want to alert the guys he didn't want to alert the outpost that he was going to so his logic was I'll perk I'll park further away and then find a way to get closer to it which makes sense but the issue is that he's parked so far away he's parked really really far away I'm not sure what his plan is to get there on the back of writing on the on the weird rhino things you know it's like yeah so can I just point out and I know you'll probably mention this more because you're probably a quarter as well but quill mentions you can only get there on the back of these things yeah and then he walks back he walks back he walks back and he doesn't need as I didn't need him in the first place and he seems to go a different way yeah he goes a different way and also the path that they take they don't show any terrain that a speeder couldn't cross yeah they're very small gaps yeah it doesn't have a speeder it does seem to be implied that you need one of these things to jump the gaps and they're good jumpers but then it's contradicted by the fact that the gaps didn't prevent it because he just walked through the way back and it actually walking walking through the gaps there seems to have been a much better approach because it provided him full cover and there's still gaps anyway and plus IG 11 got there yeah I mean the next thing I have on my list is how come the IG unit only gets started without cover when it approaches from a vast open I will I will provide a screenshot in a moment it's quite hilarious actually because I think all they should have done is just have some caverns or something that it emerged from but instead they show this open plane and I don't know if it was just like a default background but there you go what could have worked well if the facility was actually on a prominent hill that gave it a really long this stuff and they had an anti aircraft gun or something like that exactly and he needs to land if you have a large enough hill that could cover a really long range and could explain exactly did he walk the whole way does he have his own ship that landed I guess he has his own ship yeah he can yeah he surely didn't where's his ship the point is it's ridiculous that they didn't spot him before he was 20 feet in front of him and I find it odd that I thought the IG units were established to be like hunter killer droids and so they're not I figured they should be like oh fuck it's an IG unit that sort of thing I'm just picturing this that the IG unit commando crawled all its way on the side got to those barrels right there and quickly ran out to the middle and like yeah I approached it did a little T-1000 jog before it got there alright I need to catch my breath alright and then it jumped out of the barrels on the side and was like I'm here now um so again some quick fire stuff I think these aren't necessarily flaws that could possibly be explained but I find it odd that IG 11's intention to self-destruct is countered by Mando like he's like don't self-destruct and he's like okay like they're not on a team necessarily it's kind of strange like why would why would Mando be commending against it stop his protocol well he might not be fully aware of Mandalorian's capacity ability in a firefight and so it's just kind of Mando saying yes we can get through it and without knowing the history of this you know Mandalorian the robot's just kind of going okay like I'm mostly willing to let that one go I just find it strange that's all um I did have a thing of for so throughout the season it shows that Mando has an extremely I'll be inconsistent hatred and mistrust of robots um when he sees the IG unit what he does is he goes down there and he sees that this is an IG assassin droid right and what does he do he walks right up to it without any cover and says oh hi and then shot conveniently in the chest please you know that's a good thing he had that good point he tries to make a deal with this robot even though it's established how much he hates and distrusts robot and this thing is incredibly dangerous and to approach the way he did was really dumb his position on robots he won't let pit droids fix his starship he will make deals on the spot with assassin droids he just met yeah I don't get as hung up on the deal because he either needs to kill it which is not sure he would be able to be or he could have just shot it from the side well hang on hang on that's assumed that point blank but um the part that's more indefensible is it just walking out like I don't buy that well I'll just say that I agree would be that much of a change in the damage to prevent that headshot also we never see we also never see kaiji taking a shot to the head as far as I'm aware he always tanks the shots to his armor in his chest and they just bounce off we never see him get shot I think it's weird that his head isn't made of the strongest metal versus his body and this is the thing because I actually like that idea if they make the the utility of blasters something far more understandable and then you could apply it in plot and if the rule was blasters can go through really dense steel at point blank that would be a great mechanic that they could use if they were just damn consistent with it which they're not and so I wish they were because it's worked worked well if that was the rule in this episode um and uh yeah I agree it's dumb that he just walked out he should have been taking cover and saying oi oi um yeah and if it was about if he was trying to be as safe as possible then he would have just shot it in the head because he's really close to him my my my major issue is just that if rags and I were approaching this area and we were like oh god there's robot killing everything I would turn it if I was part of the guild I'd try to address it from behind a pillar or something not rush out and go hey I Gio de la la la and then it just right the thing is though Mandalorian's hatred of droids doesn't exclude him from being willing to addressing that I'm not even addressing that part I'm strictly talking about from a survival point of view it's a really stupid thing to do it would be like if you just saw somebody undertake a really stressful battle and then you just leap it from the side like hey how's it going yeah like how is he gonna know that you're a friendly like you nutball yeah I agree like walking out like that was a very bad this is a plus one for his stupid meter all right hang on hang on okay so if we're gonna do a proper tally I think we should try and be aware of the smart moves he does and then try and do it more objectively because he does do smart tactic moves no that's not how this works if you are in a situation like him I'm gonna explain it yeah because so if you use cover 60% of the time you say alright he used it mostly the 40% of the time right he's doing something incredibly stupid something like this is insanely boneheaded so I don't know how you're gonna objectify saying oh well he used cover in this scenario or he did something smart in this scenario so this one time where he basically survived because of luck oh he's still good at what he does he still isn't stupid I guess the idea for me like I kind of expect just I've never seen a show where and this doesn't excuse it I'm not excusing it but I've never seen a show where they don't make a character accidentally do something done because they didn't think it through I wish they would always avoid it and so I agree this is a big problem but as to doesn't make me decide this character is stupid because of mistake in the writing or is the character still overall competent when he's written properly that's true he is the character is well the issue is that because stuff like this happens like if a consistency I don't think you'd have to look too far in the original trilogy to find Harn or Harn to hide I thought of one already where Harn is chasing down Stormtrooper and runs into you like a whole group of them and screams and runs away now of course that was a mistake and so that one probably not defensible but what I'm saying is I think you could find examples in stuff that's just as criticisable as this situation here but it doesn't ruin those shows for us because I kind of talk in the same way I take this it doesn't mean that the character is bone headed to the point of being your a demon but it's still a smart tactical character we see him do stuff like this throughout the season and it's well that's why I think we'll need to tally them up I'm interested in that because if the tally is overwhelming I'm willing to grant if it's overwhelming I'm willing to grant the concession that okay but to do that we wouldn't need to balance it out against all the times where he does do something every episode he foolishly does something that is insanely stupid where he risks his life and only survives through luck and that happens like every episode at one point you're gonna be like okay you're doing really stupid things consistently all the time and it'll depend on the consistency for me to how regular and this is definitely one I grant it well I mean I think I think it might be worthwhile actually to just for two instances where he nearly died because he did something stupid devil's advocate time then you had yeah is there any justification that you would have assumed him to be part of the guild because he's the famous Mandalorian hunter I don't think it matters if somebody's in the guild even if you were fighting in a war he literally kills guild members in the next episode yeah he did hang on but that's with cause and they're spitting well they jump him he's literally jumping IG here what does he expect yeah could be good point yeah IG's in the corner and he just killed a bunch of guys there was just a firefighter that's a valid counter that's a valid counter it's established in the next episode that bounty hunters are more than willing to attack each other which is kind of weird and specifically to get the bounty for themselves and that's the point that plays into this it seems fairly consistent that bounty hunters will try and kill each other to get the bounty themselves and so jumping then to the droid saying hi is established that there's a much higher chance the droid would shoot him to keep the bounty for himself and not say hey you're in hell somebody's saying like and he gets punished for that stupid mistake but he could have died like this is the problem is he makes a decision that could have killed him and he does it in every episode where it's just like I mean I think we're good on this right we can move on yeah on this one just real quick why is it that IG11 thinks that it's an absolute dead bounty versus dead or alive doesn't this bounty come from the same person yeah that is odd unless the droid just thinks dead bounties are easier to transport he could be conflicting orders maybe he was told something else could be conflicting orders or it could just be that's what the droid does he prefers bringing him in dead because they don't have a chance of escaping sure yeah I do also think it's odd I think that IG instantly agrees to splitting the bounty when he just destroyed everybody practically effortlessly that was against him sorry I missed that one IG unit he shows up destroys everybody practically effortlessly but then he agrees to split yeah I know exactly but then you have but then he instantly agrees to split the bounty with this other guy who shows up sorry I just the droid would have died on his own it wouldn't have succeeded why would the droid have any reason to believe that based on what it had just done it doesn't know the future I guess you're right that there is some validity in thinking okay there's no real big threats and I can take it on myself yeah like if you're steamroll and everything in front of you with no issues whatsoever and someone's like hey I'll help you if I take half of your reward you're like hell no I'm sorry unless the droid is just naturally cautious by default if it has the option to droids are always going they generally always go for the highest statistical advantage which is generally what C3PO establishes in all war even if the droid is winning because there's a statistical advantage to succeed with his hope and also that that's logically consistent I think this would make more sense if it wasn't a droid because the droid is perfectly fine blowing itself up if instead of like it would rather blow itself up and by the way the first time it says it's gonna blow itself up it is a very flimsy situation where I would go oh I can't risk capture I'm gonna blow myself up here well calm down like it's not actually that bad the situation we're in at all so sorry I I want to interject with something else a few people said in the chat that only the scientists wanted it alive like what actually happened was that German men said like we want it alive but then he does this whole like yeah I know it's a complicated profession so if you kill it that's fine we'll just pay you less they do not want to kill it and to bolster for any there the robot at the end of it says the commission was quite specific I feel like I'm being gaslit at the moment now because people keep telling me that I'm talking too much but I feel like I'm not I would say I just had another I just read a chat saying let free me speak damn it so this is the thing chat chat is all kinds of opinions all at once but I was gonna say like the robot does say the commission was quite specific and so it's not the droids preference to take it good point also someone saying it is a droid it would be considered expendable no it's probably expensive I have to imagine those things are quite valuable if anything the IG unit is way more valuable than actual bounty hunters that you're hiring it's way more valuable than like 50 stormtroopers like IG I'm ready to say that it's like insanely OP I don't think it's a overly unreasonable to just take the manufacturer's protocol sorry it can't be captioned stuff and it would be unreasonable if that's a core programming tenant in its head and so yeah like that doesn't bother me yeah I do I understand why but I think that the first time that it activates that and says it's gonna blow itself up it is definitely not really in a worse position than it was before in the middle of the courtyard spinning around shooting everybody instead of where with the big laser cannon blowing into bits before that before you remember how big like revolving shot they did where IG is in the trailer where he's just there like doing a bit of shooting around and all that yeah like the the big heavy repeater I understand that far more I have no complaints about that but the first time it offers to self-destruct it is really premature it seems yeah and I would just take that as a quirk in its own programming in that you know it's just oversensitive to resort to that protocol and that seems to be the case with it because it tries it several times but it didn't bother me alright so just to clarify apparently it's not clarified enough still so the script I have a cantono of beskar waiting for you upon delivery of the asset alive yes alive although I acknowledge that bounty hunting is a complicated profession so Fringy is right he's asking specifically for it to be alive however he accepts that it might die and the doctor is like wait wait wait wait whoa you know we want it alive so if you're going to take the specific commission off that guy it would be dead or alive it wouldn't be strictly dead and someone cited will wait but the doctor says in episode 3 that baby Yoda is the only reason that he's alive implying the doctor is like no no the doctor is talking about keeping baby Yoda alive post delivery for Mando yeah he's the reason why babe because he doesn't want to get killed by Mando he's trying to be like nah dude I want to he's alive because of me don't you like implying baby Yoda would have been dissected up to that point if not for the doctor which is actually a good thing it's telling us that it's not convenient baby Yoda is alive still it's that this character has a vested interest in keeping it alive which is supported by this is good stuff this is the good writing in the show whenever it happens occasionally it does exist it happened more so in episodes one two or three than everything that came afterwards and I just on that note then as well that bit because like I think it's good to acknowledge as well that there's for me I found a decent amount of good part things to enjoy in it that I enjoyed it overall and contrast this to other things when there's barely anything good to enjoy like the Rise of Skywalker I feel there's a marked difference which is why I think giving it something like a three is pretty rough because there's still a lot of good in it and it's no near as bad as Rise of Skywalker what about the relative I guess because what would be the scores that you more would give for like Rise of Skywalker and TOJ like one or two? We're looking at ones and zero I can't okay I can't say zero I'm not gonna say zero but holy our expectations were low but holy shit yeah and also like I don't generally assign numbers but we did that so for the sake of that sure but like very good like if you have masterpiece like audio and like sound effects if you have masterpiece level visuals those are not gonna get you nearly as many points as masterpiece level writing and direction I agree I agree that that but it does increase it oh yeah it does I think I honestly raised my rating on a solid point it was a single point but still a solid point for how good the production value is well I guess maybe if we were to divide it into like visuals production production wise it's like an eight or a nine it's really really good but the writing is what brings it down because the writing is low and on this one I'm very proud in terms of consistency of writing and stuff I probably would give it a four I would say that the writing is consistent in that it makes the same mistakes over and over again yeah like with him making bad decisions I was gonna say this is gonna get a hell of a lot worse I just wanna keep going this is the better episode yeah is there anything else for episode one not that I can pick up so the last thing I had was yeah IG says the bounty was to kill the orders why would the Empire have him go kill it it doesn't make any sense especially because it's just right there and they can take it back it's very odd that's the last thing I have for episode one well I enjoyed Mandalorian taking over the gun turret thing and then just fine with the distraction thing using his grapple to get to it yeah and see the grappling hook was actually one of the things I enjoyed I enjoyed a decent amount because it was like a superpower that had very strict defined uses and limitations and it was used consistently within those realms and he used it outside of just grappling things he did use it in combat and I enjoyed it I was like they did a good job and to add to that I think that the grappling hook is one piece of equipment that he uses very effectively he seems to use this very well I can see through walla vision and flamethrower and stuff like that he is very inconsistent and illogical with a lot of uses and he doesn't use them in a lot of places where he should be using them but the grappling hook man that is his favorite tool because he uses that rather well yes that was great I like that talking so I can even end the beginning of the show should we move on to episode two episode two? yeah so I'm gonna start with saying go ahead is there any good positive things in episode one there is a decent amount I think Mandalorian's character isn't tarnished yet in episode one I think he is still pretty good I can just picture Shad's face what do you need? just like the idea that he is doomed to be tarnished the more we progress episode one you could point out he makes a stupid decision but his characterisation is still pretty good and Shad is competent and capable and he can kick butt when he needs to but he is not unstoppable he still struggles he is definitely seems to be at his strongest in terms of being a competent bounty hunter I would say either in this one or maybe the best candidate is he doesn't really do anything in the three he just sits in the thing what about in the last episode when he shoots out his thing and grapples onto the TIE fighter okay that's also six you probably right yeah six when he takes out each of the two he is probably best at what he does in six except for hanging Satan we'll get there there are still some problems Cameron Netherton said not a single person decided to take cover when he was spinning around on that gun thing they are a bit silly in the head apparently there was a common fame in this entire episode of the enemies or the bad guys for the scene are insanely stupid and they don't seem to show any real a lot of times they show a complete lack of self-preservation we are actually about to highlight one of those significantly I was going to say so I'll throw in a good thing and then a TISM thing so I really love the wide shot where you can actually see the shadows and then you can note that Mandalorian is reacting to like very small sounds I noticed that too that you saw a shadow move and that was like the clue as to what he's reacting to and then they attack him not all at once which was a weird choice there's one and then a second one comes in pretty quickly far later but I'm more forgiving of that compared to this weird moment where he's like tussling with one of them and then another guy like just decides to sprint off and away from him despite the fact that he knows he now has a fucking vaporized gun to kill baby Yoda and it's like if you are successful if you kill baby Yoda, Mando's gonna kill you you can't collect the bounty what are you doing? if anything I'm dropping my weapon I'll tell you anything you want to know take everything I have just let me live like it's this bizarre moment in the fight just sure is a good thing that none of those guys had guns it's pretty stupid that all three of them didn't jump on him at once though so this is the collection right? they didn't all jump him at once they all for some reason don't have blasters which are pretty commonplace and one of them decides to try and kill baby Yoda in the fight yeah it's strange look at him he's so stupid yeah I think that honestly the biggest criticism is the fact they don't have guns I can excuse the stupid moves in combat because bad people fighting are bad it's just like if we can't have him no one can yeah this is Star Wars carry game skins but the thing is the actual fighting itself is decent enough and it's enjoyable it's deflecting and it's cattle prodding them and yeah so I still think it's enjoyable even though there are still things that you say are very dumb and I would say where are the guns but honestly they didn't have guns because they wanted a choreographed hand in the fight scene are we supposed to assume these are bounty hunters by the way yeah yeah they have fobs is there any guild rules for this or no because the problem right now I can obviously extrapolate isn't it incredibly risky to be going back to Navarro when apparently anyone can attack and take your bounty yeah I assume this is I'm trying to read the scene to try and have it make sense you have to do that a lot with this show but I assume that with a guild it is strictly super against the rules to attack and steal the bounties of other guild members of course it would be one of the points of the guild is that you're competing sure but you're also cooperating to a degree also if the guild finds out that one of their guild members is killing other guild members yeah they're just gonna kill you not gonna kill you also what was I gonna say I would assume that you guys are knowingly going against the rules because of that because if it was the case that you were allowed to just steal everyone's bounty everybody would just be waiting at the spaceport at Navarro to ambush people and steal their stuff yeah I think there would be a couple of caveats to it like there would be a race to try and get to the mark first and so there would be competition there and they might be able to fight each other on the way as soon as you have it in your possession then I think there would obviously have to be some type of guild rules to say you shouldn't be able to steal it or they have the rule that until you get back to the planet where the bounty was issued it's always a free-for-fall anyone can get it but as soon as you're in vicinity of the guild that's when you have to play nice because we don't want to have bounty hunting people and I want to I don't mean to interrupt but I want to cut off chat a few people noticed that I'm not saying that what they do doesn't make sense I totally understand why with the value of this bounty and with the fact that Mando is alone and they're on some somewhat semi-remote planet all out alone in the desert I totally understand why they did and I'm not saying it's bad at all that they did from a writing perspective I totally understand why they did I'm just saying that is super breaking guild rules because we're talking about the guild and stuff like that I see there's more of a problem for Navarro than a problem for this scene yes this scene I totally understand why they did I would like to sneakily throw in a detail here just slide in a detail he did not load that rifle before firing it oh my god oh no and it was on his back and you know why you know why Molo? he learned from his mistake when it wasn't loaded after that it was like this bloody thing loaded all the time he was like yes something could pop up in front of me in mind I might actually have to shoot with my gun I better keep it loaded good lesson I'm glad to see he learned from it so let's see let me scroll down to my episode too also my note start off is why is Mando walking at the beginning where is his mount I thought you couldn't get there by walking you can only use the controls to move we addressed that earlier though why didn't he leave his mount behind maybe Quill took it with him when he left and said you're on your own I know you think Quill would have left him so I think that's just bad writing he ate it he ate it he fucking flamethrowered that shit and he ate it he's finally a youth for this damn flamethrower I like the scene where he is repairing his armor and Yoda keeps walking toward it it's a nice little moment of just being like alright and it was foreshadowing with the healing it gives us something to make because the logic would be this little guy is like my protecting man is hurt I want to help that sort of mindset which can sort of lead to you being like I wonder if I can do anything it's a bit of an extrapolation but it's in the same vein as Luke like trying to pull that lightsaber because it's just out of his reach in Empire sort of natural actions that might lead you to attempt something or make you feel like you have something as opposed to maybe I can brainwash this person someone someone asked me in Cantina if I guess this relates to the gun thing someone asked if I keep a round of the chamber on my everyday carry and I do because you need there to be one there if you're going to shoot so but yeah that is what I do personally and as far as I know there's a lot of people who do it's certainly what I prefer so to answer that question there you go it was asked of me well we have evidence of someone not doing it oh some people do it but he does now so yeah and so it's foreshadowing he's clearly trying to heal and Mandalorian is not letting in and you know I have I hate the healing in Star Wars I do think it's more defensible with baby Yoda because of the uniqueness of his race or something like that I still prefer that they just keep it out I don't think it should be about the race at all and I don't like that one race can use force to some fairly extreme levels like even lifting the mud horn is an extremely powerful force move but like healing a flesh wound that's that small and knocking him out for the day or something I'm cool with that lifting the mud horn is like whoa that is I I'm gonna say that that is too much that is way too much that thing probably weighs a shit ton and for how long and he doesn't just stun it or stop it or push it off course he lifts that motherfucker and he holds it up couple of things at least they have him knocked out for like a day yes see the thing that redeems it somewhat is that at least it has a very significant cost on baby Yoda and they're actually consistent with that so that's good and it is a more unique situation that could help explain that he can do it just because his Yoda race or whatever so it's not as bad as just a human suddenly lifting something up and not having needed to train for it and things so that makes it a little bit more defensible still don't like it but I can I can go along with it and just put it in the back of my head like okay fine people are citing size matters not it's like guys you know that size matters you know that it matters it definitely matters guys how I think they're saying size matters not as for the person doing it but this is a really large object moving at a high speed with a lot of oomph and weight and effort behind it also let's just be clear this thing isn't even smart enough to speak yet let alone understand what it's being told but it has the mental capacity to do this I think that's really really pushing it when you look at the kind of strain Yoda had to go through to stop the falling rocks and things of that nature man this baby stopping that charging mud horn and lifting it and holding it in the air for as long as it did and I gotta say like you gotta be careful on this because I'm assuming just assuming most of chat will take issue with Ray so you gotta reconcile this size matters not you have half a mountain size matters not couple of things is like I said I have issues with it but I do think there are enough significant differences to separate this from just that's different it's definitely not on the same level no way and I do have no idea about baby Yoda's history and I do appreciate that they knock him out for a while yeah and that's what seems not for me in terms of size matters not my own thoughts on is like Yoda does say that but that's outrightly contradicted by every way the force is shown to us being used in the movies where heavy things are always harder for people to lift I think when they say that they mean the person using the force well what I yeah what I was kind of taking from it to contextualize what Yoda was then saying to make it make sense in a contradicting is that Yoda was trying to say you can overcome size and then size weren't going to be initially here I'll show you still more difficult for me but I'm overcoming it also someone quoted me the ability to speak does not make you intelligent I was like alright this isn't child he can't even speak he can't understand the things that he's told like yeah that has something to do with intelligence like sorry the ability to speak does have something to do with intelligence and the ability to concentrate it does have something to do with your mental faculties and it's like it takes training to use the force so I find it very hard to believe that someone that is that young who can only do so much has the fortitude and capacity mentally to be able to use the force to that you know to that capacity so I had an unfulfilled theory that baby Yoda was faking it and he could actually speak fully mature like a 50 year old person and that he was only faking being a baby because he was still really vulnerable being so small he had the force but he could only use it and then it would get knocked out and so by acting as a baby pretending to be a baby it got others to protect him and there was a protective thing and that would have been cool of just somewhere I think at this point fans would find annoyed like they'd be like no they gave him a weird voice no no no I would like it as like you know something happens and baby Yoda is there and Bando gets hit or falls down and just rolls up and says falling down you have and there's like what I'll let you in on my subject and then he could be like if he was a smart mouth then going on there was a lot of potential they could have known and again like some people chat are saying like oh intelligence is on a spectrum alright like like a cow has a level of intelligence a human has a level of intelligence this is all in a spectrum like an infant is not going to have the same like it's hard I don't believe that an infant has the ability to access the force in a way that we know requires or should require training in order to use if he isn't intelligent enough to speak and understand and communicate with people and do stuff of that nature like when you're talking about how he hides from the droid on the ship that's a pretty that's a very very base level kind of thing to do yeah I don't know about that because there are certain instinctual things that different species can pick up and just born with just to clarify what are we establishing his intelligence to prove that he has that he can use the force power and for me that's not too much of an issue to this degree is important the force power to this degree cause like he doesn't just use the force a little bit sure I can understand that a baby that's force sensitive can use the force to a degree but this is like some stopping the mud hoard from charging it and holding it in the air I think that's a really big deal but it really struggled it really struggled to pull that off I guess the thing is though is that Luke Luke had to like train to be able to lift the X-Wing oh wait no but he didn't let he only lifted it but yeah like he I guess my thing is is I'm kind of a I'm I feel like I'm in a middle ground on this one again because I'm not sure that it's like so far out of the realm of possibility that a like baby Yoda might just sort of in you know like might instinctually know that the force is a thing even if he doesn't fully understand what it is if you know what I mean like I'm in the camp where if later on they explain how it has had training or something then I'll buy it but right now I'm not convinced of it you know like like is it I can't really buy it but it can be explained later yeah like if they if they find out like he goes back to his family or his planet or whatever they're like oh yeah this is a race of people that are extra force sensitive even at a young age they show an incredibly gifted connection to the force even infants and they're like they're like super special in some way or there's some kind of explanation for it okay maybe I'll be convinced but as it stands right now I'm not quite convinced that it's you know a thing I think that's fair I mean like yeah I don't like the implications of it subverting the fact that generally especially here to that level the force you need to train and it's always been you have to train to be able to know so I don't like the subversion there but I think it can be justified even though I don't like it and which is exactly what you were saying for that and also when he uses the force when Baby Yoda uses the force I feel like that more than lifting the mudhorn is a display of like I it's really hard to get a bead on Baby Yoda and his um like his force competency and the training it's like I think there's still a lot that can be explained right now it's definitely not like Mary Sue levels but I'm still not quite still not quite buying it like it still seems like I think that it should have just calmed the mudhorn down that was all and keep it stunned but don't lift it I don't know why they had to lift it up in the air cause that's cool it's a cool shot it's a cool reveal yeah so that's why they didn't I think they should tone it down we have skipped over there I'm not mad Chad I'm not mad I just don't buy it this is my white male rage I got from Joe it's all seeping out we did skip over the Jawa chase scene which I thought was good I really liked it I didn't at all why so alright so what is his plan get his stuff back climb on board so what happens why wasn't his ship on lockdown yeah good yeah and it's established that it can go on lockdown in a last second episode here's an important one so when he you know like Nick Nolte knows that Jawa's on this planet but I guess he just didn't tell Mando that that might be a problem for a ship yep I would have told him by the way your ship it's gonna get fucking on maybe you should just drive a little closer to the thing maybe you should just leave it in my house buy it to my house yeah he shouldn't point it to his house actually yeah my point was the actual chase scene I enjoyed it it was fun no of course I was just doing that first chronologically it was both done why aren't the Jawa shooting him with stuns immediately instead of throwing bits of junk at him there seems to be a range limitation on those stuns they always use close range he's right by the windows yeah he pulls one of them out he's so close yeah Mando he pulls one good point yeah they're all up there with the stun ones but it was tough for him and in terms of his plan like I can understand someone you got my stuff and just chasing after them without having enough time to think of a plan and now I'm here like an amateur would do this is another thing about Mando needs if he is the best bounty hunter in the park he's doing this whole life he's been trained in combat by the Mandalorians you expect better I don't know what would you say a master would have done in that situation well I can't say accurately because I'm not a master of combat but I feel as if that look I'm not a master he picks off a few at a distance right and then he starts running close he doesn't like try to sneak on board he doesn't use his grappling hook to get to the top before they start to take off when you say take off what do you mean like like when they start to close up the ship and go away spin away travel away move go I'll say you think instead of like because for me that was my favorite ship and I see them stripping it I think it's a valid reaction to go use some yeah sure on an emotional level sure but I expect better out of a seasoned veteran like him instead of going alright I need my stuff back instead of him going you know I'm mad I'm gonna start killing them going oh well I need to get my parts back so what's the best way for me to do that giving my position away from this distance at a long range I can't kill them all there's no way I can kill them all don't even have enough ammo for that how am I gonna get my stuff back do I wait and then follow the tracks until nightfall do I sneak on board the crawler or at least try to what is he what's he doing here yeah I don't know if you're like because it's established that he's not flawless like he struggles and fails a lot and so that also is implied tactically he can really kick butt when he needs to yeah but I think that's just it's consistent to show him you know reacting emotionally so he can be really angry and behave intelligently can't we all yeah why doesn't he if he's such a seasoned veteran I thought I thought you were saying that as a contrast saying you can be angry and make mistakes and be intelligent like because you know I know it happens to me all the time when you don't have enough time to think something through or something like that but he had plenty of time I don't know they were in the middle of the ship was open some people are saying he's not a veteran in chat surely he's a veteran isn't he like in his 40s he's the best in the parsec how's he not a veteran how does he not have a lot of experience under his belt he's been trained his whole life to do this stuff no no no because that doesn't mean that he is flawless like he is really good at fighting and you could become the best bounty hunter by being really good at fighting and he's like depending on how smart he is I think we're gonna have to determine that but just on this case study alone by itself it's not acting like a complete buffoon idiot it's reacting emotionally yeah he wasn't acting like a total idiot sure I feel like rags is holding him to a high standard you bet your ass I am holding Mando to a high standard he's a Mandalorian for starters who are supposed to be the elite of the elite in this also this is what he's been trained for his whole life he's the best bounty hunter in the parsec yeah I'm holding him to a high standard yeah yeah but you can achieve that high standard of being an elite and the best in the fight just by being good at fighting which he clearly is and have him make mistakes technically which he can do he definitely can do that in fact he's almost like he likes to just remind people he's been doing jobs we really found one big mistake he did in the first episode and I don't think this is a huge mistake in this one in just reacting like you stupid things get out of my ship he wants to stop them stripping it so he shoots them that you know it makes them run away and then he chases them and stuff and you know that's all you know it's fine like it's reacting to being real and I would be ticked off if my shit was getting stripped like that granted he could have acted more tactfully and like alright I'll chase him down but if he didn't do something right off the get-go they just would have kept stripping the ship if he like wanted to wait to sneak aboard that's still the length of time in which they're damaging his ship further and stripping it even further which means there's more stuff he would need to get back and so by firing he stops them, no no but by firing he stops them stripping it yeah but I guess it doesn't matter anyway because all those parts would be in the same place wouldn't it have been a better idea for him to like sabotage the uh the vehicle so they couldn't or straight up just try to approach them he seems to be on good terms with Tusken Raiders I don't know why he wouldn't be with Jawas well he's ticked off they're stripping his ship yeah yeah you're right you're right so the best thing to do yeah the best thing to do at this point is to be like whew gonna suck up that rage and be like look guys this is my ship the best thing that he should have done I'm arguing what he did done is justifiable and it doesn't make him an idiot and he still can be a competent one of the best you know mercenaries in the galaxy well like you know not immediately shooting the Tusken Raiders I actually quite like that bit in that it's like oh it tells you that he's again I hate he's seasoned he knows what to do around these parts he knows how to talk to these people he knows how to deal with all this like how does he not know what Jawas do there's some other planet he can speak Jawas he can speak a little bit of Jawas he's definitely had experience with Jawas and Jawas do trade like we know that they're they're not like a strictly scavenging I get his thing I would not want to have to pay money for that stuff that is mine and so if I can they took it you know without trading so if I could try and take it back forcefully so I don't have to trade or go through crap like killing a mudhorn to get back what's rightfully mine I would take it and what was his plan when he got onto the ship what was his plan to get when he got on the vehicle like what was he gonna do kill every single one and then drive it back to his ship like I guess if he was able to pull it off I reckon he would have done it yeah I I mean how's he gonna kill them all there's no way he had to know that there was no way he must know that they have he must know they have stun guns as well right well no no no because he scopes in on the guy who has a gun well okay so if you see someone with a stun gun that might indicate but he doesn't know how tough or weak these jars are in fact jars seem to have a reputation of being cowardly because that's the way they act and so I think he could feel justified with the he has taken on seasoned you know people and beat them there's like 50 of them there's so many yeah but they're they're a little and weak and they just he's on there he's on their sandcrawler where does he expect to even work it goes badly for him and he fails yeah because it was a really bad idea I'm willing to move on yeah I'm fine I didn't mean to discuss this in this detail but I still I'm still definitely being critical of him for his I mean there's more anyway for this moment first of all his fall his fall is pretty significant his fall could have easily killed him yeah that one I agree and I find it really odd it's like that happened in everywhere and you just kind of accept that these are heroic characters that can survive more damage we don't know what medical things but I just want to say that I think what he did was valid and it doesn't undermine making me an idiot especially in the sense that he's angry and he could have very well been thinking as he's trying to climb up it's like alright I'm in over my head maybe I've bitten off more than I can chew which he clearly did but he was committed by that point and so he was like I'm just gonna go with it and I know I've done that when I've made I don't know I feel like but that just adds him to be incompetent and he's like I'm just gonna commit to this terrible plan well it still might have worked he didn't know that it would fail if it's a yeah I feel like committing to a terrible plan if he acknowledges it some cost fallacy you know like he's like fuck I guess I gotta see it through and then of course because he knows because he knows that there's tracks on this thing too it's just even if he knew that it was gonna be harder than he expected because he's committed he could still feel I'm still gonna try and pull it off and I think that's something that many people do I know I've found myself in a situation of life where I've tried to stop him getting off more than I can chew but I commit to it because there's still a chance I could pull it off it is a fallacy though it's the sub cost fallacy at what point does the season I'm not saying it's the best option no no I didn't yeah yeah yeah yeah we get that yeah it's just that as a bounty hunter he of all people should really be tuned into sunk cost like this is something that he would be dealing with all the time how many times does he have to do something foolish and stupid until I'm like man this guy's just awful I don't think this one qualifies as actually being foolish and stupid I think this is something intelligent people can resort to very easily by emotion and anger it's his favorite ship yeah this doesn't make him an idiot yeah and I I think that I like there's a comment in the chat Mando can be imperfect but it could be done in a way that doesn't make him look like he's new to the job and I agree wholeheartedly with that I really would and again I didn't mean to have this be a huge tangent but man it's like it's one thing after the other with this Mando guy I think rags a molar are losing credibility with the nitpicking have you seen this show before like this yeah like yeah so yeah I was just gonna say moving on I think it's ridiculous the foley takes but fine I'll let that go I think it's ridiculous they don't scavenge his armor after he's killed a whole bunch of them yeah they just leave like they know he's stunned they watch him fall down and they're not they just leave that he can survive to hunt them down another day they just don't do anything I will see I think this one you could defend it like sometimes people just want to lick their wounds even when after the one and yes they could rob the guy or do so whatever they want I do agree that it's probably a bit more out of character with Jala specifically because they're known for scavenging everything but what do they know about Mandalorians how long is he gonna be knocked out just keeps just keep hitting him well the thing is for all they know he you know could be stunned days or whatever and they get closer and then few other ones are gonna die he's killed several already and so even if there's a small risk factor and they are cowardly that's any number of them could die again because they were forced to he was chasing them but now they're free and now they don't have to risk any more lives I think like this one isn't a strong point of criticism when it can be justified that they it's time to lick their wounds they don't want to risk getting more lives and they are cowardly by nature that makes sense I don't think it makes any sense at all I mean like I see your point but the idea that they have all all of these guys have shot him with stun guns they watch him freak out they watch him fall back and land on the ground far below and he's just laying there and he doesn't have his like and they just leave like that seems extremely weird for Joel was to do with his armor and with the fact that he's killed him at this point you could kill him like at the very least they could have put the thing into reverse and backed over him because being knocked out the length of time being knocked out is arbitrary for whoever the writer wants and so if they decided to back it up they just would have made it that his armor prevented a lot of the stunning all down the way because when he's at the top there is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 Jawas that's stun him at once do you say we're not sure of how long it took for him to wake up no I think that's just going to make him knocked out for as long as they need him to be knocked out if he got knocked out they can back for him it's an arbitrary thing to criticise if they try to run him over they'll just say Beskar's pretty damn good at blocking those things but now they have established it so they should be consistent with it if he ever has to get stun shots again but there's a lot of ways in which it could have been written to avoid it but I agree there is a question mark I agree that Jawas, it's not a big one though for me they ran away a few of them died, tumbled with their wounds they got most of the scrap they wanted it's not you know this isn't criticising the story for being unrealistic this is don't like what he did fine but ease off of it is this a criticise of just disliking how he acted though or is it more like in service of he's not that great about it I've been listening to all these arguments I just think he acted like an idiot in this scene so I don't think it's an idiot I think it wasn't the best thing he could have chosen but it's far from blatantly stupid I feel like it's the worst the helmet is and he has a bunch of durasteel on him and he has all the gadgets and stuff on him they know he's got a rifle somewhere oh yeah he's not wearing the best car good point, good point but the thing is I guess when I think about all of his options this feels like the worst because when I think of things that he could have done he could have done nothing and followed them to where they stopped for the night to try and get it back and shot his cindiary ammo with one of the wheels to make it so that the vehicle couldn't move anymore well no no there's no guarantee that he did try and shoot the thing and it did nothing did he try and shoot the ship? he shot the back of it one time and then gave up after that I'm pulling it up I think sending a shot to try and stop them from completely dismantling his ship to nuts and bolts is perfectly fine they're stripping my ship I need to stop the damage before it becomes irreparable or so bad that I won't be able to fix it with 2 weeks work or whatever and health and stuff he was actually hoping that it would still fly he tried to get it to fly when he went back so the fact that he wanted them to stop stripping the ship as soon as possible is a very valid option to resort to shooting right away yeah sure but when he jumps onto it it's like you're not going to be able to take all this back to your ship because again he would have to kill them all yeah sure I think he's more than willing to and he doesn't know that he would be able to I don't think it's possible I think he could have been thinking alright I'm pretty over my head but let's keep going because he killed a lot of them pretty easily already and so he was sniping them at a distance yeah but even when he's trying to climb up he pulls several out of their hatches I think he only pulls one out no no more than one I'm pretty sure let me check I'm pretty sure it was more than one I think he pulls one we even see it hit the ground yeah but I remember seeing more than one fall so but it doesn't really matter but still he killed several in his beginning of his attempt to get rid of them I'm just rewatching the scene yeah he kills three of them and then he puts down his gun and then he runs down this is so he runs down he doesn't make any attempt to stop the he doesn't make any attempt to sabotage the vehicle it's funny that they're throwing junk at him right and then one comes out and prods him they're trying to prod him and so the fact that they're throwing bricks and stuff does mean that their stun guns aren't long range and if you only saw one he might be assuming that they're not you know heavily armoured with like lots of weapons and stuff and so from his frame of mind he is I think it's valid enough for him to assume that they don't have lots of weapons up top because as you've been throwing bricks at him basically and so as soon as he gets up he could upload he does throw his second one off okay so yeah he throws two yeah he throws a second one off right before ten of them all shoot him with stun guns at once yeah and he pulled out his gun and so he could have been expecting that they just had bricks and scrap that they were throwing at him and he could have just offloaded his gun on him or threatened saying I'm gonna kill you all unless you give my stuff back that's a valid thing and in that sense he technically succeeded if his assumption was that they didn't have the stun guns and how many stun guns was he justified in assuming that they had did he even see one like that could have been a surprise he saw there were ten I mean he might he probably might have countered individually but there was ten up there right in front of him so yeah yeah but if he was assuming that they didn't have the stun guns technically what he was trying to achieve he succeeded in what he was trying to achieve yeah he successfully climbed up to the top pulled out his gun ready to threaten them at gunpoint to give him his stuff back and then they stun him because he miscalculated that they had stun guns and that's valid enough if you didn't see them having the guns but he already saw them with guns through his scope well I'm gonna check I'm gonna check because it's also how many guns because I mean if he sees one with a gun there's no way he's like ah it's probably the only gun they have well what like was he expecting ten to be up there I think this is gun in his holster even though he fell and dropped it because they're not they're certainly not firing back when he starts shooting at them and I there's only one with a stun gun that was hanging at their side and there was a lot outside if he's assuming that's the entire crew all one is firing back actually but then he kills it so he killed one of the ones one of the only ones with a gun actually and so he could assume that they that's a valid assumption they have no more guns if that's their entire crew that was stripping the ship there's like 13 I don't know why the idea of making an assumption that that's all the people stripping is all the people he could see and that there weren't any guns on board and they didn't have a bunch of guns stored like that's a huge assumption to be making that's a valid like they want to strip their scavengers they want to strip the ship as soon as if they want to strip the ship as soon as possible you would assume that the entire crew is working on it to get it done fast and get it on board sure I just I find it unbelievable that he would think that they have no guns their scavengers well if he sees their whole crew and it's a safe assumption that it was their whole crew for just a piece of information they're using ion blasters which is what they used to disable droids is what they do with R2 in New Hope yeah and if he speaks to Jarvis surely he knows enough about Jarvis to know that that's something they do I don't think there's massive failings in logic here because there are valid enough assumptions he can make from what he's seeing if that's the whole crew of the ship and only one of them currently has a gun which he kills and it makes sense that the whole crew would be trying to strip the ship before the owner comes back then they get on board and then he thinks he could take him on and threaten them to give him his stuff back that's fine for me I mean I'm happy to just keep going because again it gets so much worse what is next I like what my dose just says how common are frogs in a desert oh yeah because we saw frogs and then it was like there's not water here why is desert frogs clearly guys desert frogs again this is just a tiny thing but how did the dude know where the jar was where I assume they follow the tracks yeah that has to be it yeah okay okay because the other thing that we observed when we rewatched was if they have a circuit Nick Nolte was really dumb for not pointing that out to Mando like hey the jar was come this way some review ship so they must have followed the tracks I was surprised that he like happily gives up his weapons to essentially barter with them with how easily they can fuck him up and then he should just play throw at them anyway and he's lucky that doesn't screw up everything for him he technically still had a weapon so he didn't give up maybe he was relying on his flamethrowers it would be one or the other right like as in the criticism would either be he gave up all of his weapons when they are quote-unquote his religion but he didn't find but it's like also then wouldn't that fuck up everything with the jar was wouldn't they be like motherfucker you just fired fire in us what the hell let's say he scorches like six of them at once he knows the others are right there yeah like this is this is his favorite ship he's ticked off I was like yeah he's angry I mean I want to try and get past episode 2 because I just want to get to the bigger stuff especially episode 4 like I'm looking forward to getting to 4 cause 4's where it all falls apart so I guess we skip to the mudhorn battle his approach is so this is kind of what I mean like every time he does not every time right a lot of the times when he has like a thing to achieve or just an event to sort out I always I'm just sitting there raising an eyebrow like why was this your plan like he has to he doesn't check the cave from like a distance with his scanners or anything like his heat sensor on his helmet he just goes in with like a torch well his helmet he has the ability we know he has thermals he uses them in episode 5 yeah only so he can pick up heat signatures but at what range and what will block it um if he can do it at extremely long distances it will definitely work very close up in the dark apparently amphibians in the desert is a thing I had no idea there we go desert frogs I don't carry the way this is fine keep going his approach seems strange he's not using all of his tools to the best use as far as I can tell he walks in with a flashlight looking around instead of using the thermal vision that we know he has and all this stuff that he has the ability to see through walls and listen to people through walls but he doesn't he just goes in with a flashlight and gets ambushed by it and I'm just I wonder if this is um a disconnection in directing that um you know and I'm not excusing it but it's perfect like because it makes much more sense that thermal they didn't have thermals in that you know context which is obviously why because yeah why wouldn't you use the thermals if you had them um and then someone latest gives him thermals because he's got a mask and that must have taken it without well you think you'd be like I like you very well might be right is that is the reason I mean we've seen what a lack of consistent vision can do to star wars as a trilogy and you you would think that they would have all the people that they know are going to be directing the episode or they have like a sheet they give to everybody and say all right here this is his equipment that we've established he has this is the knowledge he has here's who he is so make use of it and if he doesn't then that's just an issue like there should be consistency um yeah it's definitely a problem in consistency and it almost gets them killed all right all right so this is me being this is like being the the nerd defense going too far but still what if what if the mad horn is cold-blooded or something I don't know I mean it's been I'm happy to say it's presented even if it's cold-blooded he'll still be able to make out the shape really can you is that how thermals work yeah if you have never used them yeah you could like tell the difference in like objects even if they're like if like if you're in a walk into a room with room temperature desk and TV and everything you could still make out objects look at this it's funny how molla brings up points and then when they prove it incorrect he says the thing he was wrong about doesn't even matter what are you basing this off a frog okay I didn't know frogs lived in the desert but if you remember I said yeah I said so frogs in desert question mark I did it like a question I didn't say it's impossible for frog to be in desert when did I say that and I said that it doesn't matter it's a fucking frog it's an alien world what do you mean frogs don't matter wow wow okay I'm sorry I didn't mean that all species are beautiful of course yeah I would just rather kick on like because these things are just yeah I think this is a pretty obvious this one's a small one I reckon it doesn't make it immediate it leads to him nearly dying and having to be saved by baby Yoda yeah but I reckon even if they gave him thermal stuff like that of course they're gonna have him nearly dying because that's what they want in the narrative for a baby Yoda that's not a reason though I don't know it doesn't excuse it but the thing is I'm not sure him nearly dying is a result of stupidity because that's a really tough one to fight well no it's stupid that he walks into a dark cave knowing he has like thermals and night vision right like that's just that's really really stupid yeah probably yeah there was many other there's a lot of other easy ways to kill the thing did he know what he was getting into what he was about to fight apparently not I can't tell even if anything you think the Jawa's would cause he doesn't know you think they tell him though because they want him to succeed right or they want to screw him over and they like watching him they can't watch this they're not he travels too far away from to watch it I'm reaching for the sake of it I was gonna say I'm happy to just kick on cause these is just ruining episode 2 these things are important to me to establish if he is legitimately dumb or not and I'm interested to see alright because I actually don't mind a protagonist who's a bit stupid and fails a bit because if they have other characters it makes them good at the moment I don't think it's an idiot he almost dies here because of a very basic mistake basic yes he's walking into a dark cave you have thermals and night vision I wanna process it cause if he knew what he was getting into obviously it almost gets him killed he has to get saved by a baby Yoda for this that's the thing I don't consider this because it leads to him basically almost getting killed and he has to get saved by a baby Yoda if it wasn't for the consequences I would agree it's a nitpick to a degree but this is stuff that I'm gonna kill and I think my thing about saying it would happen anyway that's a disadvantage so I think there's more validity to the stupidity of this point and I actually think there's probably more for this one than the Jawa one if I'm really trying to break it down next one? I do know what you mean though and if I was in your position I think that I would probably say having it be covered in mud would obscure it even then that's reaching super far but at least that's something yeah but it's not much you can do with that I don't think my point is to have people watching is that my whole role here is I'm the only one willing to defend it so I'm gonna try and play devil's advocate even on things that I think are very indefensible and then after we test any possible defenses if you guys can count it which I think it did in this mud old one I'll probably agree with you I think this is one of those times where yeah this one's a bit harder to defend someone in chat said but we don't know that Mando has it yet it doesn't matter because Mando knows he has it but it could be explained if he legitimately didn't have it until the upgrades if that would be really cool I know Mahler and I were talking about this and Fringy as well where we thought from the beginning maybe he thought this as well but he would slowly but surely get his armor and equipment as time went on you know not just like oh it's a video game you know so that would have been cool if he gets night vision and then starts to use it and Fringy said earlier about the pacing is really quick I think that would be nifty because a part of a bounty hunter's like his thing is his gear so having him earn gear through missions and get it from the fellow Mandalorians and stuff and then seeing him use it that could be the entirety of season 1 leading up to him finding baby Yoda and then making the decision to kill IG-11 and then it's like oh shit like we've seen Mando for a whole season being of single mind I want to get my armor I want to get my things I'm finding my armor set I'm a really good bounty hunter and then you see him make an emotional decision it's like oh shit and then you continue from there there's what I mean I really would have liked this show to have been just a little bit well a lot different I guess at this point I didn't mind the progression of his armor and equipment and stuff that he got the armor it was just really quick I mean it's not like a big issue but I think that it goes it's under I file it under my wasted potential thing and I'm not going to hold this show like it's not a negative on the show because it was something else but I feel like they could have done a lot better with the progression so would it answer your objection here though if he actually did not have the thermal scanning stuff on his in his helmet at that point I'm sorry say that one more time would that answer your criticism here if you legitimately didn't have the thermal scanning stuff at that point I'm pretty sure it's on the scope of his rifle as well isn't it he uses it none of it is new equipment that he acquires later it could be retconned even say if it was right the fact that it isn't mentioned in the show is a problem with the writing I'm not excusing it because the fact that whenever the audience needs to step outside of what is actually said and shown in the show to explain things to make things work is a problem that's not good writing if he didn't have thermals and if they didn't establish he had all this stuff then I still don't think I still think that he should have done stuff like create a distraction maybe don't leave baby Yoda sitting right outside the cave stuff like that have a plan don't just go in there with a flashlight just to push us on one shot from that rifle would kill that thing and his gun jams because there's mud on it very unlucky yep I think most people here cast an audience alike will find it a little tough to believe that that knife kills the thing it's got a pretty big yeah I would have liked it to have been longer so penetrated deep but you think something that big unless you hit something massively vital to drop it which again would be really lucky if that happened it's like wow pretty lucky that you hit the one thing that killed it instantly again that one is a small thing I admit it's a valid criticism but like yeah okay it's someone saying using a rifle in a cave and looking through a scope is stupid it's like you could move forward use the scope and look around also we know that the scope detaches from the rifle he uses and I can just show you I'm showing chat the shots now so obviously it'd be the entrance of the cave he'd use it and then as he progresses you can see the space like back here like so look at this shot I'll even send it to you guys this is him entering in episode 5 I can give the picture of him using thermals lots of space to be using it as he approaches you know so I like I still think the mud for horn fight is enjoyable because he's struggling he's getting knocked around and and even if he's in a dangerous situation arbitrarily and it isn't justified he is in a dangerous situation which causes suspense and you don't want the hero to die and things and then there's a twist with the baby Yoda thing and the CG was flawlessly done all the mud and yet some indication of what the armour can take how much of a hit it bends but it protects him to some extent and so even with the flaws I still think that scene is enjoyable in the fight I see why but I still think it's I still I couldn't enjoy it because I think man he has taken some insane hits it even hits him in the helmet with its horn as it's charging I think it's yeah but still like if someone's wearing a helmet you get hit with a hammer smacked on the side of the head like yeah okay but this is a heroic show and it almost takes like an established thing in all shows that the heroes can always take a bit more damage and I will point it out as being unrealistic and I do that in my own reviews yet I happily accept it as part of a heroic trope that they can just take more damage because it's in a fantasy level. That's just explaining why it's bad no no no but it's if these are supposed to be heroes that can take more damage than the average person and they can keep fighting and everything I don't know is it plot armor or are heroes legitimately tired of every person I don't agree yeah I don't agree well my my view is I think this is a kind of it's not really like when you talk about a video game it makes sense because you'll be like well there's gameplay concessions that you have to make but like in the context of the universe you know when you play Uncharted yeah you're stronger than the villains but you're not actually like you know like in the context of the story that's ludonarrative dissonance yeah that's like a meta thing that this is the protagonist it's a meta thing it's outside of the universe no no no but but yeah it's meta but it's actually an established thing in heroic stories that the hero is always I'm not gonna agree with you on this I don't agree I can't subscribe to this one you don't get a special pass on surviving stuff because you're a protagonist well hang on then you should apply this criticism to nearly every single yeah it's always shit when it happens so you criticize it much like because there are so many hits it depends on the degree it's always a problem in terms of the scale in terms of the scale the rhino hitting Mandalorian is on par but nowhere near as bad as so many other sure and when I brought that point up it wasn't like a be-all end all of why I didn't like that fight it's just one aspect of it because I admit it's unrealistic don't get me wrong absolutely but we see it all the time and so if we're gonna say this is an episode breaking thing well that means so much pop culture it needs to be criticized better I agree I think it should be done better but at the same time like Jackie Chan fight scenes the amount of times he gets hit right I'm willing to you know suspend my disbelief that he can survive all these hits for the sake of a longer fight scene and see him doing lots of cool kicks happy to do every fight would be analyzed based on the specifics of that fight sure it depends on the scale of the problem but before I forget everyone his thermals are not the scope he uses an episode 5 he uses the thermals to look for the do-back after they capture the sniper lady he does not use the scope he uses his thermals in episode 3 as well in episode 3 when he's eavesdropping the scope right or am I wrong here like I posted in chat like that's not him using a scope that's just him using his visor my impression was that it's kinda like how it's canonized in Halo where when you scope in the idea is that the scope is projected against the HUD like as in if Master Chief aims his weapon inside of his helmet it projects the scope onto his HUD I assume that was the same for Mando the scope thing he doesn't need the scope to have thermal vision and night vision okay this point is done if you defend this you're just stop I get the devil's advocate thing but come on guys there's a point where you gotta be like we have all the references and everything here I like this shot with the puny knife he doesn't have thermals yet are you puny knife yo you see it it's a very little knife again this is a this would be a nerd defence and I wouldn't say it's too bold to be any level of valid but clearly the vibrations when you stab into someone they protect you another meeker into the flesh it's a special knife it's a plus 10 to mudhorn damage now the thing is that could be valid if they actually showed it but because there's no indication at all that these knives protect a deeper penetrating you know stab when they into something we can only go off the length that it's betrayed and that's that's a very southpaw just said Iron Man 1 Tony gets blast out of the sky by a tank plummet so the ground survives walks it off like it was nothing yeah that's bad yeah bad okay but again this is no no no like it's good to bring up other examples because there are some times I feel that for the sake of making something enjoyable in terms of lengthening out a fight scene and having your heroes do remarkable things you can justify certain exceptional even unbelievable feats because I thought that the whole fight scene I had the talent of writing okay so you feel it can be justified then with each individual each individual circumstance needs to be evaluated for the Iron Man example it's like we need to knock him out of the sky it's like can we hit him with a tank shell it's like and plummet him into the ground from really high up so no that would kill him we're gonna do something else you don't then go yeah but people will enjoy it it's like of course people people will enjoy Palpatine returning that doesn't mean we there is something there is something that is something that I think people resort to as an easy wait is it he's wearing armor it's space armor okay but Tony's armor doesn't work like that you don't know in the film it falls apart after getting hit by all kinds of different things okay that would be consistent yeah like each individual like we have scenes to establish what are the limits of what a character can take and we base that off of I would agree with you if it was magical armor armor and yeah it's each individual circumstance can be good or bad and then varying degrees of good and bad it's not something that I'm ready to blanket I suppose the problem that I have here is it's all this meta thing of oh well they're the protagonist in the world they are not a protagonist they are one person in the world yeah like the protagonist is the meta so in the world they're not remarkable in the sense that beyond beyond what they can actually do themselves they're not are you talking because it's not it's flashing sorry okay no yeah like in the world they're not remarkable in the sense that the universe itself recognises that they're special you know what I mean no no they are remarkable what I meant no sorry let me clarify what I meant was they're not remarkable beyond things that they themselves can do what I mean is that the universe is not like Mandalorian he's the protagonist of this story so he can do these things he's gonna be okay it would only be Mandalorian can do the things that he can do because he learns how to or he's predisposed to it or something like that the fact that they're the hero or the villain shouldn't be relevant no no no because I think absolutely because they become the hero usually by ability, competence that they're stronger, tougher than the other people I'm just imagining things that you shouldn't be able to survive isn't isn't like competence I fully agree that there comes a level where it goes too far so I'm not saying that he should be invincible in any measure but I'm saying that in this context here he's got the armor, he's a tough you know Mandalorian with all this years training and stuff like that alright I'm fine he survived it I'm starting to get actually like I'm reading the chat now and I'm just like so what I'm trying to explain is that the idea of they're the protagonist of the story so it makes it's acceptable that they can do certain things when I say that the universe doesn't recognize that they're the protagonist what I mean is that there is nothing in the story that is this person is the main character of a narrative that is happening and that is the reason why they are able to do things the whole idea is that anything that they can do is justified in the universe itself within the story not from outside the story not from the POV of they're the main character they're the protagonist they're the hero or something like that I feel like this is clear but maybe it's not I think it is connected when you're trying to say the universe can't acknowledge it is contradicted by the fact that the universe is literally created for this hero's journey and so that's an open admission yeah the universe is created by the writer it's like a chicken and egg argument that's hard to try and delineate what I mean is like the idea is that when you're partaking in a story you're not meant to be thinking this was written by somebody this was fabricated it's kind of like talking about the second world yeah you want to but there's a thing you want to fool the audience that's not it like the thing is all stories are contrived no matter what but the goal of good writing is to make it appear that it's not yeah but giving giving protagonist special privileges does the opposite it makes it hang on they're always going to have special privilege no what do you mean by that like that's not true the entire plot is structured around their journey their story and so the plot is entirely arbitrary okay maybe I went too far when I said special privileges but what I'm saying is that the plot is always constructed around that character and your goal is to try and make it seem like this is a natural story following and the more realistic you make it the more believable you can that means not giving people special abilities and survivability and contrivences and armor because of protagonist Mandalorian has those things by default for the nature of the story he should have those things because of training equipment armor not because he's the protagonist well no it's both because it shouldn't be both the protagonist part shouldn't even factor into it at all what do you mean of course it can't I didn't say it can't I didn't say it clearly does that's what my problem is sorry I think I was agreeing then he shouldn't have you don't get special plot armor and everything you don't get special this that and the other thing because you are the protagonist I agree I think but one of the main reasons you give characters special things that should be justified with background and training is because they're the protagonist and trying to deny I think I think it's better to think about it but the reason why they justify Mandalorians additional abilities with the training background and everything is because of the protagonist I think that's self evident in many instances not in all instances but in many instances you do want your protagonist to be special or more capable I think it's viewing from the narrative I agree completely yes and not because they're the protagonist if you're going to follow the story they are the protagonist because they have these things it's the other way well again I think chicken and egg argument in this instance I don't think it's the chicken and egg because the idea is like IE it's the same for your catalyst for the story where you have a big coincidence that happens and then it thrusts them on the adventure you could look at it from the perspective of wow it's quite interesting that the protagonist happened to stumble into this coincidence that kicked off the story but it's more from the other way round of the reason why we're focusing on this character is because this remarkable thing happened to them that kicked off the story I don't think it's the chicken and the egg I think it's the idea is that you've selected that this is the protagonist and this is the things that they have like the reason why you pick them as the POV character for the story is because in the context of the world that they live in they have these abilities and chat you don't pick a protagonist generally in writing you create one and then you create them but what I mean is that if you're viewing it externally and you're viewing it in the sense that if this were a real scenario this character who exists was picked by the sort of I guess the omniscient creator of the story because it works well if you know what I mean like yeah they're created but that's the illusion that they're not created that's the illusion that the whole narrative is trying to create we're getting caught in my nutia because I guess bringing it back to the thing look I agree it's a stretch but it's not it's not an episode breaking thing and I enjoyed the fight scene because he did struggle he got beaten up a bit he survived and he needed help it's definitely not the biggest problem but like I guess to put a cap on it like if your reason for something happening is because because they are the protagonist like you're gonna have to do better than that like there needs to be yeah I agree and the inworld justification is his armor that the armor protected him and could the armor truly protect him in real life probably not but space armor it's one thing of pity but I get it yeah so I do get that much and I would like to point out in chat someone said MCU rags think about Hawkeye and Black Widow and what they somehow survive yeah those are issues that's a problem so again this is when we cover videos in EFAP the whole what about ism when we talk about oh yeah well in something else you have to have a problem with something I probably do right so to say that of all the things that I'm saying and then bring up Hawkeye and Black Widow and what they survive is like yeah those can both be problems we're talking about this though also I'm not different people like why aren't I talking it's like I mean there's nothing for me to add the argument was being had I didn't need to add anything I was happy to listen like don't worry I'm not dead sometimes I'm just like EFAP chat I listen what have you said that smart rags the whole ludonarrative dissonance when we talk about video games the whole idea of when you play on sharded and you can take down a hundred dudes but in a cut scene two guys have guns on you and you just surrender it's like it's one of those things where you just have to go well it's a video game but I think I think you can apply video games I don't judge video games in the same way no I don't either because they have to be interactive and if the interactive and if the challenge and part of it is you have to fight a hundred dudes but then you have some games where the main character is totally vulnerable and then it's a different thing the gameplay is generally based around that but if we didn't have that in video games you would have to be as good as a navy seal to actually play Call of Duty in a way which is just not a feasible thing to do for these games for being interactive so I hope that explains it but yeah it's an interesting topic I guess episode 2 I enjoyed it it's one of the better ones I'd say it's certainly one of the better ones it's funny someone else in chat pointed out you guys are ignoring the larger issue here how does this creature exist at this size with no foliage in a desert planet I think I mentioned that it's an alien thing who knows how it lives it's called a mud horn it eats mud alright and you can get nutrients and break it down that's it's food and it's supposed to be larger like this somebody had a the big question I have why the hell does the egg have fur yeah that's that's weird unless there's anything significant for episode 2 we've gotta push on yeah let's go I wanna I want people to be aware yeah I want people to be aware the issues in 4 compared to 1, 2 or 3 are staggering we really need to get there yeah we thought we'd blow through these fucking hell I guess because this is the thing I think a lot of the things in especially early episodes and maybe even some of the other ones can be defended or aren't as big and when put in I guess comparison weight to the really bad stuff I generally find that the good stuff outweighs it overall and it's still mostly good it's fun it's enjoyable not to excuse the bad when it's there that's what I've said from the beginning some of the bad can get really bad but I think the first 3 episodes especially with the level of discussion we were able to go into means I think the decent amount when it is good is you can the bad parts are not nearly as bad and easily I've looked at is there anything else for the episode 2 I don't think so no did we have a problem with them being able to fix the ship because I was willing to buy it they fixed it very quickly it was a montage and we don't know how long essentially well it all hap