Good morning, everyone. Sorry I didn't hear it. Good morning. Thank you. Now I can see the coffee is taking the effect. We had a great day one at the security con yesterday. And we're looking forward to an amazing day two of the con. So on behalf of the CNCF tax security, I wish you a very warm welcome to the day two of the security con. I was coming this morning, and I happened to meet my friend Mac. Mac is from, he's British. And there's a friendly banter between us. He teases me for my brown accent. I tease him for his British accent. And Mac was like, hey, Pratik, you were doing the MC speaker introduction yesterday. And then you're doing the opening remarks today. Isn't the audience tired of listening to your brown accent? I'm like, you know, Mac, you come from the UK. You better get used to it if you see the news. Anyways, so in terms of recap, we have the CTF going on. The CTF is going on in room 333. And if you have any questions regarding the CTF, either you can visit the room, or you can post it on the CNCF Slack in the tax security channel. Yesterday was a wonderful day. We covered a lot of interesting topics right from security best practices to remote access architecture, doing vulnerability management, finding various vulnerabilities, and then finally, supply chain. We cannot have enough of supply chains. So I promise that we'll also have some supply chain security today as well. The CTF is continuing today. So please do take some time to go through it. There are six amazing levels in the CTF. In terms of the talks, we have a variety of talks right from compliance and governance, CI, CD, DevSecOps, some interesting attacks on the Kubernetes infrastructure, and then, more importantly, our workshops as well. A quick note about the logistics. Yesterday, all the sessions were in this room, 330AB. Today, we have an update. The workshops and some of the talks will be in this room, 330AB. And some of the talks will be in room 321. Yesterday, I came back from the lunch break, and I came back to the room, and I was just prepping to do the next speaker introduction. And I see an unfamiliar face. The person did not match with what's on my schedule. And I think the person name was Jimmy. So I told Jimmy, hey, buddy, I don't see you on the schedule. And Jimmy is like, are you? No, the only reason my company sponsored is because I'm giving a talk. And I was like, are you sure you're giving a talk today? And it took me maybe 30 seconds to realize that I was in the wrong room. So long story short, go to the right room, so please make a note that we have two rooms today. A quick highlights of the slides, of the work done by the tax security. We have a bunch of wonderful white papers and recommendations. In terms of reference architectures, we have the cloud native security white paper, which is available as Markdown PDF, as well as in the audio versions. We have a lot of work on supply chain security, so we have serverless security, as well as the secure software factory paper. And then I think, as an industry, we really need to agree upon what terminology we are using. So we have the cloud native security lexicon. And then in terms of working groups, there are a bunch of working groups. I just named a couple here. There are the supply chain security and the policy working group. And then a few hands-on initiatives, such as the controls catalog, security paths, security map, and many more. CNCF tax security is a voluntary driven approach. All of us collaborate and contribute to this foundation. And here's a quick look at the people who are working hard to present this show to you. Our chairs are Brandon, Aradna, and Andy. We have Matt as the assessment facilitator. A lot of technical leads have joined recently, right from Justin, Ash, Andres, Pushkar, Michael, Raga, and Marina. Raga and Marina are also the chairs of the program committee, which also comprises of Shlomo, Miko, Rowan, Shripad, Kevin, and myself. There are multiple ways to reach out to us or join us. I really encourage you, if you want to take a picture of the slides, or just note any of the communication channels here, right from Slack, Twitter, mailing lists, GitHub, Zoom, or the CNCF tax security channel on YouTube. If you go on GitHub, you'll see a bunch of good first issues to work upon if you are looking to join the tax security group. And with that, a thank you note to our diamond sponsors, Red Hat, Fisdig, Optics, and VMware Tanzu, as well as our platinum sponsors, Apiro, without the support of the sponsors, this event would not be possible. I think that's it from my side. I hope you have a great day. Thank you.


In 2013, the USDA Natural Resources Conservation Service entered into a cooperative agreement with the South Dakota No-Till Association and IGRO, SDSU Extension, for delivering the latest soil health and productivity technology to South Dakota farmers and ranchers. A series of two local events were held in South Dakota, in Lemmon and Fort Peer. Well, it's a real honor and pleasure to be able to be with you today and talk a little bit about soil health and a lot of other topics. I will tell you, I'll be right up front and say that the folks that have spoke before me and the folks that are going to speak after me know way more about this topic than I do. But I would say there's probably not a whole lot of people in this room that are more passionate about this topic than I am. And it's really because it is what, it is really the most important thing that I think that we can be doing for ourselves and for South Dakota. And that's when I talk about soil health. And I'm going to go off on a couple different tangents today with you, but it's all going to kind of wrap back around. You know, when you think of NRCS and who we are and that we came out of the 1930s, the dust bowl and what was going on in the country and how we were trying to solve erosion problems, it was primarily erosion. It was primarily soil and erosion is what we were about. And then when you start to think that many of us, or at least me, went to college a long time ago. And when I was in college, and I took a lot of soils classes, really what I was taught is that the soil was made up of sand, silt, and clay. I learned to texture it well. I learned that there was water. I learned that there was oxygen. But all of this biological part of it, that life, it wasn't even talked about when I went to school. So to sit here today and to hear producers and labs and researchers all talking about the biological life of soil and what it can do for all of us, man, it really is exciting. And it's neat. Jay, your comments about thinking back about Lawrence Welk. You know, I think the point at least you made for me, not sure it was what you were wanting to make, was is that it's, I really hope that all of us think back to what's going on right now. The revolution of what's happening with soils and soil health and conservation. So know that it's an interesting and exciting time. And I want you to know that NRCS, we are excited to be a part of that and be with you at the table. Whether it's your kitchen table talking about what's going on in your individual farmer ranch or at a table here in Fort Peer talking about the same topic as well. So what I want to do today is just hit on a few key things and kind of tie together a few comments, make a few points. And then I'm going to let you get to lunch. I want to talk a little bit about a 2015 inventory that we completed related to cropping systems. Tell you a little bit about that. And then I want to talk about why we should care and kind of wrap those two together. So first of all, let's have a discussion. If you want to interrupt me and ask me a question, go for it, okay? But I'm going to keep us moving the best I can. Because the key, the reason I like that is because we're all going to learn the best from each other going back and forth with one another. And I really encourage you to do that this afternoon when you get the panel of experts up here, the producers. Soil health in South Dakota. Really, I feel like this. I put a lot of pressure on myself or on the agency that I represent. But if soil health is so blessed important to us all, you should be able to look at the natural resources conservation service. You should be able to ask us. You should be able to say it is Jeff Zimbridge. Zimbridge, where are we in South Dakota? What's the health of our soils? And right now that's a challenge that I really cannot meet very well. And it frustrates me. And I'm looking forward to the day we can get there. What I can tell you a little bit is where we're making some progress on things that I would say are indicators of where soil health is going. And I want to talk about a few of those. But I do truly look forward to the day when we have a very easy way to evaluate soil health on every farm and ranch across South Dakota. And we could give you a health score for our state. Because I always think it's way better to know where you are to help you decide where you want to go in the future, okay? So one of the ways we do that is we know that we're pretty much not going to be able to improve soil health very well if we can continue to till it in the most aggressive ways possible. We pretty much need to eliminate as much disturbance as we can. We may not in a row crop situation be able to eliminate all disturbance, but the more we can minimize it. So one thing that we started to do is we started to, once again, do an inventory of our cropping systems across our state. It had been done in 2004, then it was stopped. And when I came to the state, I thought, man, we got to know where we're at. I got to know how have we improved since 2004, and we're now going to continue this well into the future. So we did this again in 2005, and I want to talk to you a little bit about those trends. What we've seen from 2004 to 15 is the percent of no-till, the acres of no-till in South Dakota are going up. That's good news, okay? That's telling me that we are moving toward improved soil health in our state. Now it's not a perfect scenario across all counties, and I'll share that in a little bit. But I just would let you know that you can see that that dark green piece of the pie, that's no-till, and it's moved from 37% to 46% in roughly an 11-year period. We're losing the acres out of the other tillage types. And that's okay with me, okay? That's a normal progression, and that's kind of how it should work. There you can see it on the graph, roughly looking from 1985 when the Food Security Act was passed, and we were asked to write highly erodible plans and other things with producers. You can see the change that's happened with no-till. So once again, it'll be neat to think back to see if we are a part of that revolution and what's all going on. It varies across the state. The darkest green counties will represent where 75% or more of the cropland is no-tilled. And the lighter counties go out from there. Yellow would be that zero to 25%, so you can see some trends. But what you can also see is in 2004, we only had four of those dark colored counties. That's 75% or more no-till. And now in 2015, there were 17 counties that are in that category, so it's growing. You can also use that map to tell you that there's different situations going on in different parts of our state. There's different challenges for producers that we've got to solve. And we have to work together to figure those out. The other cool part of what we accomplish, I feel like, with the release of our cropping systems inventory, and by the way, while your folks are having lunch, we're gonna get around to your tables and hand out a copy of this brochure. It's about an eight-page brochure. If you don't have one, please pick one up and we'll pick up the extras. But another key part of this is it's allowed us another mechanism to share the voices of the producers that are really making this work on their operations. They represent all of South Dakota. They're scattered all across our state. We call them our South Dakota Voices for Soil Health. We've got over 80 people signed up in this category. If there's more of you in this room that wanna be a part of it, please join up today. Let your local district conservationists know. Because what we know at NRCS, what I know is, you're gonna learn way more from other producers than you're gonna learn from me. And I want you to be able to interact with producers that are making it work. Will they tell you they have all the answers? No.  No. But these are folks that are willing to share their experiences and we should all take advantage of them. Four represented here, the display up in front here represents a whole group of them. And all of those profiles or stories you see stacked up there, come and get those. There's copies of all of our profiles we've gotten completed so far available for you to take home, learn from producers, and be able to take some of their ideas and put to use on your operation. So what we know, I just covered a little bit about the no-till side or the tillage side, that whole system. But we know that cropping systems really are a lot more than that, okay? It's not just about reducing the amount of disturbance, but it's also about that rotation. We've heard that already today, having that diversified cover crops. It's another way to really kick start that and have more diversity entered into your cropping system. And then finally, now there's this whole talk about integrating livestock back on cropland. Things that in the time when I was being taught and I was promoting no-till farming and things like that. We were actually telling producers, well you might have to not graze your stocks cuz you might cause compaction. So the whole science and the whole thought process that's been going on is changing now and that's neat to see. That diversity, I would love to be able to measure that in a better way. But we're starting to look at that in our CS. I'd like to be able to come up with a scorecard for our state and our counties that way. What we put together here is we roughly looked at different types of plants or crops. We have cool season broadleaves. We have cool season grasses. Those are the more yellow. We have warm season broadleaves, that'd be soybeans and sunflowers. And we have our warm season grasses. Corn would be a great example. They're the green and the, I take that back. The warm season grasses are brown and the warm season broadleaves are the dark green. So as you just look across the state, just look for a pie where you see kind of equal portions of some of those different kinds of crops that are being grown. That'd be one way to look at diversity. But I would encourage you to look at that also from your operation. You can also see that those same counties where no till percentages were high are our same counties where we have high diversity as well. So there's a connection there, okay? Maybe it's because of moisture relations. Maybe it's because it fits in well better with the operation. I don't know all the connections but I definitely know that there is one and this points that out for me. Kind of the point I just made about those 17 counties. This whole thing of diversity is really starting to get a lot of talk. Every time I go to a meeting, I hear people talk about diversity. Jay mentioned it this morning. It was mentioned also just now by Lance. So this is really catching on and you're seeing it in the news as well about studies that are shown. We've lost a lot of diversity in our crop. And the point was roughly made earlier today is, do we want to put all our eggs in one basket? Do we want to put all of our eggs in just two baskets? Or do we want to spread that risk out? And I think a lot of us see value in spreading that risk out and we're definitely seeing value for the soils and the health of those soils by having that diversity in the landscape. So I hope it's not a lost art. I hope it's something that we can bring back. I hope it's something we can incentivize and we can see the value and we'll work together to make it happen more. Cover crops can be a part of that, right? We have producers that are primarily in areas with corn bean rotations but they are starting to integrate some diversity back in with either full season or part season cover crops. We're seeing it happen after crops are harvested. We're starting to see cover crops being planted into corn and soybeans while the crop is growing. So there's a whole new area and expertise that's kind of evolving in this area. Watch for it to unfold more. What we really know is cover crops along with all that diversity, they help us build soils. I mean, you can see many kinds of different soil. We'll talk a little bit more about that today, but it really has a chance. And the soils across our state are the diversity is incredible and immense. I mean, just when you look at that kind of general relief map of South Dakota, just think about all the different soils, roughly 650 that we've kind of identified different soils across our state. They're all going to react different, they're all going to be needed to be treated different, you know that in your operation. So they're all going to happen, but what we do now, again, is that if we put some cover crops on those landscapes, we can take some soils that maybe don't look so healthy and we can really make them be soil that we would call a lot healthier. And the healthier, you know, just from my description, I guess. When you look at it and you see structure and you see a dark color, and it looks like a dark cottage cheese or a dark chocolate cake, there you're really holding onto something that is alive and is going to be a value to you. Then this whole livestock thing. Put up a picture just real quick of the Jorgensen family, Governor Dewgard in the picture and some other dignitaries. But the key thing of it is this family was recognized this past year as our South Dakota Leopold Award winners. But the really neat part of this and why I put this slide in here is here's an operation that is totally integrating livestock back into their operation. They built incredible miles of fence in their operation to try to do that, to try to make things better. They're seeing changes in their soils and their landscape. They believe it's doing good things for them. So once again, their profile's up here in front of the room, grab onto it and see what you can learn from the Jorgensons. So let me move on to that kind of the other half of the talk. Why should we care? Anybody in the room want to tell me why they think we should care about soil health? I got a few little prizes up here today, if you want to call them that. I brought along a rainfall infiltration kit that's really simple. I'll show you a little picture of it in use in a little bit. But I got five of these and I want to give them away to producers that will go home and put this to work in their operation. So anybody want to talk about maybe why we should care about soil health? Yes? We should be farmer for the future. We've got to be things of self. We should be farmer for ourselves. We've got to be farmer for the future. Great, thank you. You get one. You can give it to somebody else if you want, but it's yours. Nathan's got four more over here. So as people throw me some other ideas, let's go ahead and hand them out. And I'll talk about the only requirement when you get one of those, what it is. It's not scary. Okay, why should we care? That's a really big picture one. I'm even thinking of simpler stuff. Right back here. Excellent, excellent example. The answer was for consumers down the line, they're going to want to know that we're raising our food in a sustainable fashion.  I mean, it is already influencing the marketplace. There are large companies and organizations that are purchasing food that is grown sustainably by their definition. We'll all define it different, but that's huge, okay? So that's a good one. Kit goes there, Nathan. Who else? Yes. Water quality, you bet. No doubt about it. It's going to improve it a lot of ways. So we got a kit right here, Nathan, orange hat. Yep, you bet. Get one to Rick. Anybody else? Your folks, go ahead, Levi. I can't disagree with that. Okay, Levi gets the last one. Now here's the deal, folks that got the kits. I only ask one thing. I want you to call up your local NRCS office and make them come out to the field with you and use that across your farmer ranch, okay? See what you can learn from it. It is a tool. We just hope it's educational. I'm going to show you a few pictures in just a second. Let me tell you though, you guys gave great answers. You guys gave great answers that were way more in depth than mine. Mine are going to be simple. Mine are kind of like no-brainers, but they're the things that go through my mind, but they're going to lead to all those things that you've got. It's about increasing organic matter. We've heard that already this morning, which is going to lead us to rainfall infiltration and runoff, which can lead us to productivity, which can lead us to efficiency in our operations, which can bring us resilience. And I'll talk a little bit about that in a second. And there's many, many more. And I think your guys' answers, like I said, were much more in depth than that and really thinking further out, so great. Let's take these a little bit. I am convinced that if you implement soil health practices, organic matter will go up. Anybody in this room that currently is trying to shoot for or manage for less organic matter? I've never heard a producer say, I'm managing my farm to reduce my organic matter level. Now, while nobody raised their hand and said that they're managing for that, I can tell you there are certain practices we're doing a lot of in our state that are doing that, that are lowering organic matter. So just evaluate what you're doing and think about how you can change it. This is a no-brainer one, though, really. It gives us increased water-holding capacity. We say, commonly, every percent of organic matter in that one-foot topsoil is going to hold another 16,000-plus gallons of water. That's got yield potential to it. That has yield potential. Just think of the value in P and N. And it was great to follow Lance because, really, a lot of the talks kind of lead to that. Along with that water-holding capacity, there's the potential to have nutrients that are available as we increase organic matter. So there's value to it. So just think of it as dollar signs going up as that percent organic matter goes up. Let's talk about it on the water side. Let's look at it fence-lined by fence on two sides of a fence. This is Brookings, South Dakota, a couple of years ago, two fields right across the fence. We didn't put two pictures together from two different parts of the state. One side has been managed with a different tillage system. You can definitely see, literally, no till. They're not doing tillage in their cropping system. Got some rotation differences. Right now, all you see is soybeans. And the other side is soybeans. But you can definitely tell it's been tilled. Look at what's happening with the moisture. After several days of heavy rain, followed by another heavy rain right before the picture was snapped.  Here's that soil health test kit. Little infiltration ring pounded in the ground. Put a little cellophane over it. Pour in roughly an inch of moisture. Measure how fast it goes in the ground. Soils, right side by side. One's been no tilled. 14 years, corn, bean, wheat, rotation with cover crops. That inch goes in in 45 seconds on this innit soil. Conventionally tilled, right next door. Corn and bean, spring disk. Took 18 minutes to get it in. Again, which one would you want to rent? Which one would you want to have ready when a rain comes in the spring? Which one do you think is going to do you well in July, when you really wish that you were hoping for a rain? And I think that brings us to resilience. I really, resilience is kind of a big word for me. It's kind of like that new movie out. I can't even say it well. Revenant? Revenant? After my wife and I went to the movie the other night, a little gory for her, but after we went to the movie, it's like she said to me, what's Revenant meant? I still haven't looked it up yet. I have to do that. Resilience is that way, though. But the way I define resilience in a way that I can kind of understand it is, if I'm healthy, I'll probably be able to bounce back from things. It doesn't mean I'm not going to get sick, right? If I'm a healthy guy, I'm still going to get a cold. I'm still going to get the flu. I still may come down with cancer, but I think I'll be able to recover better. I might be able to fight it off more. I might be able to bounce back. That's really, I think, what we're talking about with our soils, is we're trying to make them resilient. We're trying to make them be able to bounce back. Leopold put a quote in, I like it a lot. Health is the capacity of the land for self-renewal. That's kind of what I just said. And then conservation is our ability to really understand it and figure it out and how to make it happen. We had droughts a few years ago. This was 2012, looking at the drought monitor. I believe healthy soils are going to help us deal with these kind of situations, and we're hearing that. When they just grabbed some data from across the corn belt from drought states in 2012, did a lot of sampling, they just quickly looked at fields that it had cover crops involved in their rotations and those that didn't. Look at the yield difference, bushels per acre from soils or from fields that had cover crops incorporated in those don't. Again, that 11 bushels could mean a lot in how that field turned out profitability-wise for you. And I know many of you in this room also have not only on the crop landside, but you have grazing in your operations as well. And we've talking now about getting grazing lands back in our crop land soils, and I love that. The key of it is, is the theory, the ideas are found there just as well. There were times at NRCS. I think that I was told, hey, as long as the land is in grass, it's taken care of. We've got good conservation on it, okay? It was thought of many times as the ultimate land use. But what we know now is not all grazing land and not all management practices on grazing lands are created equal. So there are things that we can do better, right? When we think of those four principles again about eliminating disturbance, diversity, cover crops, and then that last one about livestock, we've kind of got the first two nailed pretty easy in a grazing system. We pretty much eliminate disturbance. We pretty much have livestock integrated on grazing lands, but that diversity thing is something that we need to learn a lot about in our grazing systems. And we're gonna get that by managing it, okay? So the bottom line of is, the more we can manage our grasslands, the more we can improve the diversity of our stands, the more we can make sure that they're deep-rooted, the more that it's gonna improve the health of that soil. Again, we're doing some more fence-line strategies on that. Here's a barn soil. One side is invaded. It's got a lot of cool season, probably brone bluegrass. Probably got that way because of how it was being managed. The other side across the fence, good native site, managed wells, getting rest periods, it's getting rotated, those kinds of things. Look at the soil profiles on the side. I don't know if you can see it, but we got way more darkness on the native side and it moves down deeper in the soil. How does it handle water? Go out with that infiltration ring again, punch it in the ground. On the native site, the first inch went in in 1.2 minutes. The second inch went in in 27 minutes. On the invaded site, it took 21 minutes for the first inch and it took 109 hour and a half or more for the second inch. So again, if you're renting rangeland, which one would you wanna have? Which one would you pay for? Which one would you want to have in your operation? And I always get a kick out of looking back at history. Sometimes I think, wow, we just figured this stuff out. We just got this learned. Here's a story, or a picture. This is from South Dakota. It's just north, they're here not too far. Fence line contrast. I'll read it to you for those that can't see it. Don't lose your reins, R-E-N, R-E-I-N-S, and then also reins as we think of it as precept. Proper grazing use means more grass, more beef, less sediment, pollution. Same slope, soil, rainfall, and taxes. Overgrazing never pays. This rain 1.81 inches is what they have written on the board and then they've got their moisture depth on the two sides. Six inches on one side, 17 inches on this side. Simple little experiment. But again, if I've got that 1.8 inches of moisture, I would like to have a soil, a field, a pasture that took that in right away. So you must think that after all this time, we've been studying this now, although so much of this is new, we must have all the answers. And that's where I'm gonna tell you we don't. When you look at this healthy soil, we still have so much to learn about it. Everything is evolving quickly. We just have a lot to do to be able to figure out how to unlock all those secrets that's going on in the soil. The key of it is, though, NRCS stands ready to do it with you in a partnership, not only with our partners at South Dakota State and with Ruth and the No Till Association and all the great work she's done to bring us all together, but with you individually as producers out on your landscape. So I encourage you to get into your local offices, ask them about some of these things in soil health, and challenge us to do better to help you improve the soils on your landscape. Because what I do know, and I believe very much, and I'm extremely passionate about, is it will be good for South Dakota. It will be doing the right things for our state. It will be doing what's right for the next generation, which is sitting over here, has been such a good little baby today. Definitely the right thing to do. So with that, I'll end with a saying that came from our founding father. If you wanna call him that, our first chief of NRCS, take care of the land and the land will take care of you. I think if we think about that a lot and put that to use, it'll be good for all of us, and we'd love to do that and work with you to further that down the road. Thanks much.


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You know what I'm sayin'? Like, my history in the city of Dallas wouldn't be the same if it wasn't no Gator man. You remember that? That's what I'm sayin', man. Once again, that's all appreciated, but you just gotta keep yourself relevant, you know? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, struggle every day out here in this world. Man, stop, man. Hey, man, did you ever think COVID would come? Think about that for a minute, man. She was crazy, man. Now, we kinda downplayed it in the beginning. And I think we all kinda got it in the beginning because I got sick. I know I got it in the beginning. I don't know what it is. They were like, I don't know. Then tomorrow, my daughter, my daughter did the same thing.  And had to keep it pushin'. But then when you find out it was serious, I was takin' about five showers a day. You remember that? No. I didn't know how to deal with it. Man, really, man, it's really sad because a lot of people, they mental illness got worse. Yeah, yeah. And I dealt with that with my nephew. God rest his soul, we buried him not too long ago, but he was already- He passed from COVID? Well, no, he was paranoid, schizophrenic. And then the pandemic set in and then depression and all that. And it kinda just took him and we found him in the southern parts of my uncle. So it's serious, man. So- No, it's very serious. Like mental illness is something that we cover on this show a lot. Certain people that whether it be them been through so much different things, abuse, domestic violence, or people that have been through like dysfunctionalities in the family. All that stuff, man, is things that we capture on both sides. And I've always been respectful of homeless people, people down on their look and all that shit, but it gave me a new family. You don't know nobody's situation, man. It could be drugs, it couldn't be drugs. It could just, you know, somebody. Yeah, yeah.  But a lot of people love to hold things in and they don't realize that talking about it is not that everybody know your business. You can just find one person to talk to, even if it's just a stranger, talk to them, but you have to get it out. I definitely think it ought to be more therapists set up in kind of the hood for like hood need. Like, you know, as men, we talked to them.  Don't tell. Don't talk about it, don't, nothing. You know what I'm saying? So it need to be people in place that they feel comfortable they can go. Yeah, yeah. A lot more of those places have been set up. A lot of people coming in, men coming in and saying, I am going counseling. I am seeking counseling. Some people, if they have insurance because insurance covers it. But if you don't have insurance, you have a lot of people because we've had counselors who've been on this show and talked about it. It's like, hey, you can hit us up on social media. We'll help you, we'll do it virtually because COVID did help where you don't have to go to them anymore. They'll just do it virtually, stay home and just talk to somebody in this bed but to deal with it that way. Yeah, I've been seeing more kind of virtual therapist companies popping up too like you just took all in. Yeah. The hustle reel, Gato. Yeah. I've been seeing more shot boosts up. Everybody getting to it, man. The hustle is real.  Like as far as it ain't gonna be all predominantly white people. Yeah, it's gonna. Super rich and that is kind of spreading out. And you can kind of see it trickling down with like I got partners that's setting up logistics companies. Yeah, they ain't playing. And it's thriving, you know what I'm saying? But another thing is social media. You're able to reach so many people.  Niggas is eating niggas just take this and take that. So it's kind of a level to play in. That very much so. But if you're a person that love to invest or have money, you're trying to get ahead of the curve. You're not trying to see what's going on now.  What everybody's gonna be jumping on so I can invest on it now and wait to see my rewards come in by then. How y'all feel about the crypto world? I've been, everybody's been coming at us about crypto. Everybody. And I don't know, I didn't ever get into it to be honest with you cause it didn't, anything that's sound too good to be true, it'd be messing with me. When you say I'm gonna give you, you give me $10,000 in three weeks. You have 30,000. Don't do me like that, man. Honestly, I feel like in the hood, if it's about stocks, crypto or whatever, whenever we start knowing about it the most it's the end of the day. Exactly, exactly, exactly. It's over once we're like, once we're, yeah, I'm in. I'm in. And niggas is really, have you seen the play to go or no? I've done my niggas come in here and, oh yeah, you know I'm in the crypto world. I be like, niggas, okay, you know. Like, yeah, for real, man, not just to if you know. No, I just really don't like when you tell me something but it's like, it don't make sense to me. Okay, you take the 10,000 and give me the 30, since you getting it like that. Now, but if it take a crash, it's just a stock market, if it take a crash next week and it go down to nothing, like I'm just out of it. You lost it. And it did that deal lately too. Nah, nah, nah, nah, I still deal with this hard, this currency, Jack. Nah, I like to get out here and do it. I like to get out and do it. Hand to hand niggas a little bit. Yeah. But everything you do is a gamble and it's like, I just don't like to gamble. Yeah. That's the problem. Oh, I can't tell when we in Vegas. Now don't do this. I'm not gambling either, man. I go down to the boat and I lose a couple of hundred. That's awesome. That's awesome. I'm a secure gambler.  I'm a secure gambler. I gamble with the house money, not my money. Okay. Let's talk about Gator Man for a second, right? Let's get to a man like, I know you. I want to go back to, because me from Jamaica, what I can't find about you from him, that's how I knew about Gator Man. Because he rap the South Side Crazy, South Music, Texas, all of that. So, but I don't know your background. I know your music because he plays your music, but I want to know, because that's how I end up falling in love with artists and your art. I need to know where you're from. I want to know how you were raised. I want to know your hard times, your good times. I want to know everything about you. Man, it's a bunch more hard than good.  Man, just raised from a- Single parent home? Yeah, pretty much. My old man was around in the city, but Papa was around in the stone, so he was doing this thing. But man, my mother was a flight attendant, so she was gone all the time.  But isn't Holland Hill like the rich area? No. She's talking about that. You talking about the opposite. You're thinking about Holland Park. No, it's not. If it's a totem pole, it's the opposite side of it. You know when we get off, okay, I'll just come right into it like this. You know when we get off over there, off of Lancaster Road, it's the edge of town. And then we turn right and go down up in there, and we go to get the oars or something over in that area. That's the questionable. She don't know where you're in that area, where we're in there. She from Jamaica, man. Yeah, yeah, that's so real. But so Holland Hill, I would always say, you made me real research Holland Hill. That's how... Man, you know what? You made me do that, bro. I got a brother named Kiki out the south. Man, he was like, man, when you dropped the walk the block, when you said Holland Hill's ain't nothing about it, it made me go ride through the apartments, go ride through the neighborhood, and that's a blessing, bro. So, do you have any siblings? Yeah, I have a sister. A sister, so you're the only boy? I am. How was that growing up, being the man, really, of the house, because then your mom was gone, your daddy was hardly there. So how was that growing up? Well, like I say, my grandma and grandpa, they were like... And then, like, once I got a lot of cousins, we have a big family, so it was a village, you know, it was a village, right?  Were you a rebellious child? Were you a rebellious child? No, it's just, being raised really, kind of being around like older people, they tend to just let you do what you want to do, so they kind of just let me lose, you know, I jumped off the porch early, so... Okay, okay. I had to go look at it. So when did you find your love for music? Like I say, I'm older, so I've been around since hip-hop's been around, so I've been blessed, it's a blessing because I've been able to experience the East Coast side of it, the West Coast side of it, when the South light, so I'm cultured enough to kind of, been a student of it all, you know, so in doing it, it made me more versatile and more cultured in my music. Okay, well, when did you find a love? How old were you when you discovered? I was probably about...  Oh, okay. So it was probably around the time it started getting bad, 84, five, six, you know, so... A lot of people use music as a therapy to let off how they feel inside, you know, we're talking about counseling and stuff like that, some people use music as their counselor to get off their chest. But man, music has always been such an influence and you really gotta think about the powers that be that said, you know what, let's let gangster rap happen. Yeah, yeah. So, and then they had to know that those... Come on, man. That was gonna happen now. But that's heavy though, man. I don't know, y'all. It was super dope, the sound, the cadences, the way you guys was... It was a big, big, big expression.  Yeah, for real. That was before the gangster rap movement a little bit, but it still has something in it that was a little more to me seasoned than what other niggers was doing, am I right?  Correct. It was like, oh, yeah.  You hear that?  Who's your favorite rap right now? Right, don't do that, man. Not up to the day. You coming all the way up. Uh-huh, uh-huh, man, out to the day? Ah, man, that's hard, bro. I ain't gonna lie, man. Just who I'm listening to right now.  And that's cause I'm a street cat and it's just me, Al D 300, the nigger that I've been listening to. This nigger, the way he twisting and turning the words right now, I mean, I'm a street, I'm more to the streets, man. I like, somebody else would say Drake or somebody, but I'm telling you, I'm like, when you come out with something, I'm gonna cop that and listen to that. Man, when I'm in album mode, I really force myself not to listen to nobody cause I don't want to subconsciously say or rap or how they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of shut myself completely off when I'm in album mode and I'm trying to wrap up the project. I don't get a, I don't really, I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't get tired of listening to Lil' Kiki, you know, all the older cats.  You, I don't get tired of listening to the people who I listen to the road, you know, like cause that's an era that I got caught up in. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I hear the new stuff that's going on. I hear the Gucci's, I like, I just had my boy on here the other week. My boy, who I'm trying to think of, which one did I have on here, Bay? The rapping, rappers, we have them all the time. All right, that's gonna miss you. Hot Boy West was one of them. I was just gonna say, Hot Boy West and who else? Who else was it? It's been a few of them, the new, like the new, you got the C.C.O.P's, you got the smoothies. You got, these are all the younger new cats. So I respect them for their era. You know what I'm saying? I don't try to be too judgmental cause I remember where we came from. So I understand that there has to be a bridge there for, because what you gotta realize, and I know you probably already do, a lot of our people got locked up, man. It had a gap there. So I'm the forgiveness of that and trying to figure out a way to bridge those gaps. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. But I definitely can't get into something that I'm not really a part of, you know, like, I can't do the dance. I tried to do a TikTok dance with these ladies, man. And she had me doing it. C4S, shout out C4S. Nigga, I hit that hole a little bit, but yeah, nigga, I got stuck. You know what I'm saying? Nah, I can't do that. Them niggas is, they doing their numbers. Some people getting numbers and that don't, people, what do you think about this, the way success equates to views and all that? Cause you ain't in that world a lot cause you try to stay away from it. Nah, nah, nah, definitely. I've always been one that kind of shy away from the camera and not been real like that. So, but what I like about it is, once again, it's got everybody in the world. They can get some money, man.  But when you able to be creative enough yourself to make that many people follow you right quick and turn it into some money right quick, I applaud them, man. Man, and it's a bag too. It ain't no look bag. Even if you're in a big bag, if they do it right.  It was more competitive.   It was all. When young niggas be rocking with each other and spending with each other and, you know what I'm saying? And putting each other on. No, no, you're right. They do that more and you can tell cause a lot of them getting the bag. And it used to be just kind of a few niggas getting the bag. No, you're absolutely correct, man. So I like it, you know what I'm saying? I like it too, man. And I'm gonna be real with you. I like the way that the money is, but that because of rap. You got that rap broke bonds and broke change where that was like an entrepreneurship game. It deflated itself in every aspect of music. 100. And that's why I like it so much. So really, like I said, I'll play a cast like you that basically think about Dallas, man. Dallas didn't really have no sound. Like think about when you first started, bro. It was verratic. You know what the Dallas sound is? It's the boogie movement. Really, it's the Dallas sound, but that's been the biggest sound to come out of here. Man, we gotta be thankful for that era because them young niggas had the clubs, the city on fire, man. Everybody from the country coming down and the niggas have, but they share that from, like you say, Nemesis, the Run Sea era, all that. Snake, all them boys. That was a dancing camp. The base era was that Luke, it transferred over to that Luke era and Magic Mike and all that. And so we've always shared that with Florida, the dancing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So be proud of that. Now you gotta be proud of that. She, maybe Dallas is a dancing city, man. A dancing city.  But not only are they a dancing city, but they basically, when you think about it, they pretty much permeated the world with that when you think about it, bro. Like a lot of people stole that style. Like I know niggas that came, shout out soldier boy when you came down here. Y'all don't know that. Fuckin' with Rue and Rue bossin' around here. We knew we had something.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then take off. Yeah, cause what do you, why do you think that it's so easy to do that here though? That is sickening to me.  You know, what really is, it's just more of a, it's just a top market. Like it's LA, it's a new market, it's Atlanta market.  Like the smaller counter markets, they don't really, you know, they'll give you a chance. I gotta ask you about like the whole, the new era, when you say new era, we gotta talk about the trap boys, the mode threes, the yellows, the way that era is. Even I seen Don Chief say something about some, a while back when he was on my show, you know, just about how that era was versus how it made the city look. When all of this stuff just transpired over a year and a half, two years ago, how do you feel like it affected the music game in the Dallas market? Well, with me, man, it's kind of personal because as a rap nigger, you can't really have come in some other rap niggers. Personally, it's just kind of old school, kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think it was the gift and the curse. It brought attention to the music.  You know what I'm saying? And when you pick a size, you can't get no money. You can't get no money.  Everybody got to be on the same page to get that money. It basically, it's crazy to me, but it's a real thing. It's a real thing that everybody have to move different.   Like it's a hard thing to move after certain things happen in the city, bro. But, but like, okay, like just as much as the city is quiet because there's really no conflict going on with the homo three shit, it's still moving in the city beneath the surface. Cause I done ran across, there's some little young niggers around her doing a million, two, three million views on YouTube. You know what's going to lead to that after that. Them niggers is going to be all right. Like the little Tay Money chick. She killing it. Little Earl, like killing it. He was just out here. Yeah, yeah.  I think they're going to, they're going to blow. And as they blow, it's going to change the algorithm of what we already experienced. You see what I'm saying? It's going to make it to where it's going to be more where it's going to put our side back on it again in a way, but it ain't going to be the same way. Yeah. And which is a good thing.  You know what I'm saying? Boy, you can say that again. And I really know you got to go after this demographic of people or go after them. You just got to rock or who rock with you? Who rock with you? Man, hey man. So I got to ask you about this song.  You know what I'm saying?  Yeah, me and low Demi. We sung that whole nigga. And then I brought in a conglolation nigga and it had that hole in the background. That's how we started boss talk nigga. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I want to ask you about the song because I never knew the history of it. I love the song. My first time hearing it, I was in the strip club and them girls was playing. I don't know if you came in there or somebody but that hole hit the DJ booth and it just, I mean, it was going down. So it was at that strip club hall. I was blessed to have some longevity with it. Definitely, man. Yeah.  People going to react to it, you know, so.  Don't like it much, man. No, I won't. It just represents a me that was so long ago. So just imagine if you walk in the club every single time and they put that on and you don't drop out 10, 12 projects.    Honestly, man, it's crazy because like me and Ice Fang, that's my boy, shout out Ice Fang on me.  So we were in the yellow and we were like, it was around the time that Houston kind of era started getting big with the Harden. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I wasn't a super duper big fan of that era because like I say, I've been in every era so I'm okay for more than I respect the lyrics.   That whole went in. So y'all didn't plan, was that the one y'all spent off or was it another one that y'all was trying to push and that one just pushed it out the way? 20 inch dating first. Yeah, yeah, I remember that one. And that one kind of just, it bumped it. Yeah, but yeah, both of them had 20 inch dating dating, but you gotta keep in mind it was in a era, it was in a time with no social media.  But I missed that aspect of it. I bet you do.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The comparison of just following. Yeah, yeah, this is a different feel. Totally different feel, ain't it? The ones who getting the real good money and the cult-like followings are doing both. Yeah, yeah. Okay, they rockin' with me right here.  So do you still keep them tapped in like that? Like I'ma go over here if I feel like that's what they rockin' with me at? Are you able to? With me, like, I really haven't dropped nothing new and kind of so. I only do it after, you know, if I'm pushing a current project, I'll go move around. So I'm comparing myself to go do that. Like I got a pretty good following on West Texas. Okay, yeah, West Texas, what part? Which one, Millerton or Lover? Midland, Odessa, Marillo, like they kind of rockin' me up through there and then in the Midwest too. Kind of St. Louis and, you know what I'm sayin'? Places up in.  I seen you.   I don't know man, just like I say, just everybody know, like being in the music industry, you have your highs and lows and it'll build you up and break you down, build you up, break you down.   Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then if I'm hustling in these streets and I'm doing these numbers a day and then their music ain't doing nothing. All right now. So I'm a hustler.  I've seen you do that. Look, I've seen you go through that. But you shouldn't, like if I can give that advice, like don't just, you gotta. I could tell, man. But one still thing that I've constantly done, okay, I might not be dropping, I might not be active out there, but I write and record damn near every single day. Like, really see, a lot of niggas that we knew from back then, they were dope dealers who rapped. They were, they were an IT dude who just rapped. Now I was a rap nigga who was so dope.   And you know, I'm still gonna sound like this one. Now you gotta stay a student of the game. Man, I've seen you. You can't get stubborn. A lot of the big execs, when they didn't wanna go over into the social media age and kind of really when everything was moving online, the ones that were stubborn, lost their job. Damn sure did. Lost their companies, you know what I'm saying?   But then a new generation right now is everything is social media. It's not no hand to hand anymore. So if a person is doing both compared to a person who has mastered social media and pushing it hard and really doing well on social media, which one earns more? The, definitely the social media because they reaching, they reaching. No, but I'm talking compared to the person who's doing both social media and hand to hand. Well, I guess when you get so big social media wise, it's gonna lead to that hand to hand because if you're getting the hell of offers in LA, you gotta, hey, let's go. Yeah, yeah. I really think they kind of hand in hand, but it's just the social media is leading to the road and when it used to be the road would lead to your following. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.  Yeah, yeah. If it's heavy enough, you can reach so many people. A lot, right. Yeah, it's hard to beat it. Yeah, it's hard to beat it. And then what I like about, like I say again about young ladies is they controlling, they merch, they controlling. Every aspect when it used to be the company with them 360s and shit, taking all that and they just making their show money. Now they making it all the way around and it reflects, you could tell. And people knowing their rights more so even when they're trying to make deals there. But you know what led to that? Like a lot of them old school niggas, blues niggas getting fucked. You know what I'm saying? A lot of them old rap niggas getting fucked, bad contracts, like now, like they on game more now. People learn from other people's experiences, which is good. But what I wanted, could you say you in the studio every single day, you always record all the time. So when are you putting out work? I know, right? Like that's my problem. Yeah, like as you do it. Are you just going to America? Are you just going outside? Well, I dropped the last time. The last thing I dropped was a key to the city. I dropped the one with the PMC deal on there. That was the one. No, no, no, no, no. You know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about the one where you put that, that with that radio.  That was, that was my war. I still got done on this computer right now. I'm talking after they call a key to the city. That's the one I missed. I just, with me or like, where I'm at, it's just I don't really be dropping real consistently. I'll drop every couple of years, which you really can't do that. Like this day and age, you gotta, uh, uh, uh. Yeah, yeah. The new project is a lot of everything off of it. You know what I'm saying? I'm good now. You got to come on here when you get ready to drop it. You can't miss out on me. So when is the drop? Whenever you to drop it. I just know he coming back on boss, and we feel that people know cause we're in the city. I can bad right now. Yeah, June, July, June, July. And we're going to be right back in this thing. You feel me? Cause I just want to help, you know, promote and help. We pushing, man. You know what I'm saying? Once I, once I'm here, we got to take advantage of, I think that's one of the big misconception. Like, man, there's opportunity out here, man, with this podcast world.   It's in you, man. Somebody like, whenever I do that, I swear the next day I'll run into somebody, you came to me and say, my boy, I'm right. You know, they go crazy, bro. Yeah, there's a lot of love out here for you. I know what I mean, y'all. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the same way. Not Dallas, UGK, nigga. Y'all got me bent, nigga.  So whenever the year, a lot of love, I get that interstate fuckin' life. Bro, you know, that happens to me something like. You my top, top nigga from this city, man.  The top nigga for me in this city when he come down to. I'm not playing, bro. That underground thing, man. Like I don't even care. I know what I'm looking for. And that's, that's just when I look. Now, you know, I'm Pimp C. That we better get into that, too. That's my, that's my, if you've been watching this show, every nigga that we do, this is a, this is a foundational video, you know what I'm saying? This is a piece to the Pimp, man. So how did you guys come out with that since the nineties, man? What was that about? Well, actually, man, Pimp had came down in a, he had a, did a verse for me. Like I think it was right after he had got out of jail. Okay. I think the first time I think, but he came down and he did the verse for me. So we developed that relationship. And then I got a relationship with a J Prince and a Big E. So it all kind of intertwined to where I kind of was working with him on that. But we didn't actually put the song together to after he passed. Okay. So it was J kind of gathering up music and trying to add and stuff. So you and Pimp talked and you, well, give me a Pimp C store. I'm gonna do just like I did Mike Jones and everybody else, nigga. You ain't gonna get out of here without giving me a Pimp C store. You know what? I don't really help me. When y'all met that day, nigga, he wiped his eye and you know, I don't really have like a one where he kind of spasmed out. No, I don't spas out. You ain't that type dude though.  But when he did come through, he came through for the verse. He was on his business. He did this and he hugged the nigga. Hey, bro, I appreciate you. You know what I'm saying? I'm a hard-earned money. So, you know, that mutual respect was there. So whenever he came to town after that, we were rocking and I come to his shows. But it really wasn't just, I didn't spend too much, you know what I'm saying? No, it was business. You paid your bill. But y'all knew y'all was connected to some of the same people. Yeah. Okay, and that brings up another point. Like just you and the rapper line thing, it was a time when you came out with some music, I'm gonna say, and it seemed like you had signed with Rappelot or something, or you as well. What was the deal with that?    So he put me on the compilation where they redid a lot of songs. And you know, he kind of put me in a Brazil, put me on songs with Wayne and Jota and Chris Brown. I know you did a Wayne. I was with a Wayne, Luda and Trace Ongs. Really? Yeah, but it was all on that compilation. That compilation. Yeah, so man, that was a blessing for him to do that. So you didn't even know it was gonna happen or how to do that? No, no, no, no, no. He was like, they were in the process, you know, semi music. And I was dealing with an international red, shot after a red.  So they were using them. So I was grateful for that. I got, I just, when you did that, when you were dealing with the Rappelot, when I knew you were dealing with Jay Prince, I knew, I was like, man, damn, my boy, he gone now.  You know what I'm saying? Like, damn, that nigga doing his thing. Cause it seemed like you got more aggressive during that time with your music. Yeah, am I right? Yeah, but I just chose and decided to just stay independent. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.  How is that though? I mean, like I could do a Jay Prince or something. Do they respect that? It looked like they would respect that money. Yeah, yeah, come on. When you were in the niggas and stuff, you know, cause it's so beyond the music, you know, some different, the different business aspects that everybody got going on. Yeah. All about music, so. Yeah, yeah. So what about you and Bun B? Did you ever link up with Bun? Yeah, man, Bun had me, he got me on this project. I'd have been on like, he done that got me on like two or three things, man. And then up and coming, I got something brewing up, putting that sip, drink music part two to where I'm gonna be working with him. So me and Bun and I always had that mutual respect.  Man, he been posting boss talk shout out to Bun B. He been posting the heck out of boss talk. He was definitely a stand up dude, man. He's suspected all over the country for being in that way, man. Man, I just had Bobo Luciani on here, man. Yeah, Bobo. Man, me and Bobo kicked the boy. Hey, man, we went for hours in there. She over there like this nigga, yeah. Nigga, we been sitting this whole all night, you know? Yeah, that's who got the pills, she's the one.  Nigga, she was over there like this, gator. That was not, I was not. Man, that nigga was doing like me and you doing now. She was like, then she'll get back into it, yeah. But it was tough, it wasn't easy. So, let me ask you, man. So, Facts of Life, man. One of my favorite songs. What caused you to write that and how did you come? I'm gonna ask you something else in a minute, but Facts of Life, let me know what made you come up with that. It was just, well, I had heard the beat. That wasn't the original beat. I think I just heard the beat somewhere. And so, I was just going through a lot.  So, give them facts, you know? It turned out to be a good rest. Kind of like one of my personal fans. I like it, man. I loved it at the time. And I was at the Strel Club when I heard it, nigga.   And it was in that. I can't even remember how many times, man. I couldn't count it. Man, I was in that thing. I was in there every night. Man, it was so crazy, man. Me and one of my partners, man. We were hitting day show and night show. And we got all up one year, bro. Man, look, we pulled up to DJs. It had to be about, you know, we out there. But it had to be like, if the club opened at 10, I think. We out there, it'd be about 945. Like, come on, bro. It's ridiculous. They ain't even dressing out here, y'all.  Boom! But I used to like, man, they hit it so hard. When they cut the lights on, all you saw was just little packs of what niggas was going in there. Don't get rid of it. Well, I was like, man, I said, no, this is enough, bro. Niggas need strip clubs or dynamists or something like that. Nah, bro. We is not like, we ain't just, we're early in the morning, bro. Yeah, that's where it'd be a addiction because you'd be like, it's a hangout. Yeah, it was a hangout.  And usually the laws ain't trippin'.  So, another time, like we had, we were in California and we had got like two pints of some drink. So we couldn't take it back on the airplane with us. So we just had to finish the whole two pints. And we had like a red-eyed flight that next morning, about five or six o'clock. So we drunk probably one and a half of them whole pints.  We in the airport. Ah! It was just snowing, bro, like we stressed out. They come in like pushing, they're like, hey, y'all got a, we got on the airport, we was in on that. They were waking us up, bro. So look, I don't know why I thought just that little bit of sleep on the airplane was enough rest for, but like, I hadn't been in the city in probably about two weeks, like I was in DC and some other shit. So when I got back to the city, I'm like, hell no, I'm crying, that was enough rest. I'm in the city. Man, I went out that night. I think I went to, what's the one that used to be behind DGs? That was at one time, it's been a lot of things. It's been what they call it thing, oh, damn. I don't know what it was at the time, but I was at the airport. I was drinking, I'm drinking Patron. I don't drink probably about eight Patrons, no sleep, been on that drink. Darn it, that's what it was.  Like the security guard said, bro, when I came and found you, it was like you had some West Dallas partners in there, it was like seven of them, and they were huddled around, and you kneeled down in between.  And then they never just used to keep me out, cause I used to be raised in there.  Bro, you was in that thing.  It didn't surprise me. Man, I left there, like I was in my home and my partner was following me. He was begging me not to drive. He was like, bro, he said, man, I was doing about 150 in the homer. We went to X to see, now we ain't go, they went to Tigers. They say, I got into it with my ex and like, so we fighting in that hole. They kicked me out of there. And then like, I'm on my way to North Dallas. He say, I was just scraping the side. Kind of way with the homer. He's like, bro, I thought you were gonna flip it, bro. He was in there with you. All I, no, he was behind you. Yeah, I'm like, all I know is when I woke up, my truck was parked in a skinny parking, but it was parked neatly in there. Both of my, my right and left tires was on flat. Like, I mean, both of my right side tires was on flat. The whole side of it was scraped up.   Boy, hey, boy, God was on your side, bro. I was just God, man. I was God on your side. And a lot of instances like the hell was just God, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. That homer would've got the flipping up and I probably had no seabed up. Boy, I know you were wild and out, cause we used to wild out. You're under the wild and out. What, so when you dealt, how did you get E-Forty on that song on that since the nineties? I gotta ask you that. Oh, well, once again, that was put together with Jay Prince. With Jay, so he the one made that one, okay. All right, cause I just try and figure that out. I knew you said Jay put together. E-Forty always hollow clip. I never heard that nigga hollow clip a lot of times.  That's what it is. He got that, you know. That's why I asked that, cause I know he kind of, he be screaming that old cliff thing, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to each, shout out to Go-Hard, man. Yeah. What do you, do you know, you be watching little Ty Harris was on here, man. Man, I like Ty Harris. Yeah, that nigga a musician, man. Yeah, I like him, bro.  What made me a fan is voices. That that song he got voices where he had the alternate ego in the video to where like after that, his creativity and once again being able to play as he's talented, bro. I like him. Yeah, yeah. Is he still with Q? I don't know. I know he taught, he mentioned Crabtree when he was on here. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? So him and Michael. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Game on with the school together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He definitely mentioned him on here. Did he mention about it? I think that was it. I know he, him and Bobby Billions, really, he here, he here. Oh, they too. They're real tight.   Yeah. And it's, it go hard too. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I- Bobby Billions doing this thing, too. Man, I heard, you know what? That boy got that plaque, man. And you can't take that from him. No, no, no. You can't take that from him. Niggas be talking, but a lot of niggas can't talk, they talk. And I say this, and I said when you ain't on here, but I'm gonna say it, man. When you look at these artists down here, they don't get to shine cause they ain't from New York and all that. We gotta give them our, their shine ourselves because- Well, you know what the streets is gonna say is, could the record have been that big? They always do that, man. That's what they say.  It don't matter, really? Like, come on, man. Like, the city should be really applied in the song anyway because it's ours, okay? Dallas got an opportunity to say, hey, man. It don't matter, but my personal opinion, no. It still wouldn't, it wouldn't have been that big. I agree 100%. I agree 100%.  Like, if you was, if you didn't know no better, just listen to that song, don't know nothing about it. You think that- Well, let me ask you this. Do you think if he'd have been living, it would have went, did it's good? No. No. Well, you know, you know, you can't because- Yeah, I don't know. I think it still would have been big, but I think for the sake of the record, they would have got together and they would have worked- I don't know. I don't know. Because I just know when three were living, he always in that kitchen. He always, he got a lot going on. The three I know or seen, cause I didn't ever meet him, but the one I seen, he ain't had a lot of time to know. But if that record with the stars just getting there- He would have went with it. He would have went with it. Cause I saw them Atlanta niggas do, they don't even really be rocking with each other in person. But if they got a record together, they gonna show up to their club, be on opposite sides of the club, go on stage to their record, and when it's over, go back to their sides and go on about their business. Like for the sake of the record, yeah, that's- How do you like the way Dallas is so far is the way the music is, the separation and all that and how the state is seeing today. You just said some, Atlanta can do that. Do you think that we can ever get to that point? I think we all right, man. It's just, it is a separation.  Cause you know, it divided the city, but I don't know, man.  What about the bloggers? You like the blogging that's going on? That's a new thing. Yeah, data, new stars niggas. I'm taking pictures with people. Gator, Gator, when I walk out, they take a picture with me. With me, I don't have my issues with some bloggers here and there, but that's only because it wasn't good journalism. It's only because it was plagiarism, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, no, if it's, it, it, it respect in your craft and how, with longevity and, you know what I'm saying? With me, I used to trust people way too early, but now like with me, like, no, I gotta do a full ground, man. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta see how you are for at least by six months to a year.  Yeah, and that's real because you got a lot of people that just pull up to the city, like being honest with you, me being from somewhere, but I've been here alone and most of these niggas been living. So at the end of the day, I went to Plays Club, niggas. I went to, you know what I'm saying? Lakeside and RJ by the Lake Niggas. I was with Scarface and that whole, so I can talk this talk, you know what I'm saying? I'm not been here alone and most niggas been living. So at the end of the day, but when you look at the city, I just say, you know, we got opportunity, man. Dallas is just. We got opportunity, bro.  Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. You must say a lot of niggas because they be doing that. Yeah, yeah, but you stay in here in this motherfucker.  So we feel a little raw, just motherfucking. We feel to still try to get it and figure it out. We're going to be dirty, clean.    Nah, you can't do that.  Oh, look, look, look, look. I can see it. Oh, the laconator right there, she ain't trying to hear it, man. There you go. She doesn't, man, because she ain't never seen it. What is her Super Bowl? What is her team? She don't have no team, really. She just, because we're Dallas and our defense. The Patriots. That's just because they won all them years. Y'all niggas, man. Our defense, a Dallas Cowboy thing, can turn a person all like we are. Oh, we don't care. I just can't understand why everybody, even if you're not from Dallas, it's all about a cowboy. It's America's team. It's a little like, it's America's team. What made them the America's team? It's the Dallas Cowboy. That's Dallas. What made them America's team? You see, I can't have got them. It is America's team. See, how we do it? I don't even know how to, like, it's just. They're like, what made them America's team? There's so many other teams in America. What made them America's team? It's the stars that blew away this thing. It is what it is. It's Roger Starback. It's Darcy. It's like, it's so many greats over the years. It's done, did the, you know, like. All the years decades ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't take them five rings away. You know what I'm saying? You can't take them rings away.  No, I'm not, no, because the thing is that I love the Cowboys in the beginning, but I was tired of being let down so many times. They get all the way up to the playoffs, and it's like, it, that year, it looks like the years.   Man, let me tell you something. They want a second playoff game. The road came over, on here, man. You should have seen the look in his eyes, man. Right after that, he went, one day he was up with Jamie Foxx and all of them. I seen him, I said, boy, that nigga having a good time at the playoff game.  I didn't know if we could go do this, damn, man. If y'all said the road, man. Man, you know, man. I said, hey, man, we gotta get in there.  Listen, it wasn't your, that's the way it be, man, because your heart is into this stuff, man. You know, so what else you got for Gator, man? I'll tell you what. You got what we got for? Yes. But, hey, Gator, man. Come on, man, give it a call. First time going do this one. Gator, man, now, hey now. Wait a minute. Don't give it to them yet, man. Gator, I hate the songs and stuff. We got, I... I don't walk the block until my feet hurt the slice, Because I walk the block until I think that more is there I don't look around and look forever on the nice, And I walk the whole damn world at a kiss with Connor I don't walk the block until my feet hurt the slice.   So I should have kept doing beats Man too late. You can still do it now.  Like we had CDs back in the time. I was working on that a project I was doing it half here and I was up in Another part of it at death row really.  You said that snoop didn't acquire something Just he got the company, but he didn't get the publishing. Yeah, I think it he wouldn't but not for the number I heard yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's still to have it back in his grasp and he can bring out music and He can wrap that brand like that ball gonna be said hella high compared to that other shit, but He gonna be I That's new fun cuz cuz you got to think of mine What he finna make off merchandise just think he's still got the ability all that artwork and the Doggy style cover jackets and so now you can do that with the box He like he finna be all right. How do you why do you think they love snoop so much on the West Coast?   We're gonna be I'm sorry. I went back in the mode. I went back in the interview mode Go ahead. Okay, so we like to present you with this Say man, listen, man come through with the hood in there They in trouble man Nobody listen Everybody be calling me for these dang things man. They like man. I gotta have one of them like they just love them you Yeah, the movement man. Yeah, I do the movement is real man, and I think you've been coming on the show man I appreciate y'all for having me man. Come on man and we got something else for you, too. Yes, we do That's not the only goodie you get. Oh, man We ain't playin Okay, new birthday To present you with an award Man, we ain't playing that's why I had to get nigga look. I ain't playing anything in the city We got to show our people love and give them roses why they're here, bro That is what's I'm promising you that and I don't know where else whatever platform you've been on big ups to them But we here now and we gonna love nigga till we get out of here Period So the award says presented to gay demand aka Kenneth Piper In recognition of a legendary music career with Southern roots Keeping the heat in the streets and creating a foundation for the next generation Come on man Real talk man say man appreciate you man for real that thing serious man. Like I said, man Yeah, that's a that's all my mental right there. Say man. Yeah, I think Like I said, our thing was when we came into the game We're not gonna get in front of the people that we you know Cut fun in city and not show love, you know what I'm saying because at the end of the day You take the time out you come over and see us man And you guys them put in so much work and I feel like the recognition don't be there a lot of time Yeah, so it's like man. I can make a difference. So me and my brother was talking and I was like man You know what? I mean to give them awards.  He came through we weren't at the strip club We was at the spot, you know, and I got to bless him man. It's that I won't do nothing else. I did that So thank you man. I appreciate the both of y'all for having me man Come on man. We and like I said when the new project come out man Make sure you come through, you know, I'm saying show. I'm listening to that thing, too You know, I put this music on it.  We go down through that. Yeah You check it out.  It goes it transcends It's everywhere. So because like we're a wide place man. It's crazy because I got a good following in Austria Oh, yeah from place like and it makes it really It's crazy, you know, like we get when we go live it'd be like man, we in Africa. We love you. I'm like I'm telling social media. It's crazy It did didn't it mean those people Music has Transcend culture because people just love music. They don't care where you're from a lot of time people like I didn't know you're you from Dallas Or that y'all located in Dallas because it's a social media I don't know what a mess me up is when you'll see a little girl from like a third world country hit Beyonce better than Beyonce I can't speak a lick of English.  That happens, bro It's amazing me a Europe European artist sounds so soulful and then talk like a certain way Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they start singing they sound like us. Let me ask you this man top three artists of all time You're not getting out of here without that Everybody Number one, don't do number one Everybody else that top three artists of all time Dead or live any general that's the that's our top three segment number one number one It's gonna have to be pimp see And you know what and you getting this from somebody like once again, I come like I like more lyrical I come from yeah the lyrical era, but the feeling he gave me that's it fucking decade Was man, like I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't put I couldn't put in KRS one and get ready to go and hit that club So the feeling he gave takes us in man, we lost we lost the legend man. We lost it. That will be my number number two To popsicle. Yeah, do pocket boy. He was at to pocket boy It was just his versatility like he could drop when he dropped me against the world. It was different Then the next one and the next one and the next one in McEvoy like every one of them was just so It just was so orchestrated and fit a move. What's not that only only guy can judge. Yeah, I'll let me So he uh, it probably definitely have to be two pop. Yeah number three That's always the one that got klc. You know klc. I stopped he had a whole list and couldn't figure out that number three Because that when you say the three is just gonna Oh Number three It could change but number three today for gay to man the gay to man Hey man, thank you for coming on the show We love you gay to man. And if there's anything you need boss talk 101 We uh, we are out let's show man. I appreciate definitely man. Hey, man. It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 and we out Oh gay to man this award is presented from boss talk 101 It says presented to gay to man aka Mr. Kenneth Piper in recognition of a legendary music career with southern roots Keeping the heat in the streets and creating a foundation for the next generation to come That's what's up, man. I appreciate y'all for it, man. I appreciate y'all Hey, man, come on man. We're giving up rose. Why are you here for so much show? How did you boy man?