Hi, how's everyone doing today? This is Rich here on behalf of RichDB Live with our very special guest, Andre Tessier, the CEO of Delta Resources. How you doing today, Andre? Good, how are you? Well, thanks, Rich, and yourself. I'm doing fantastic. Thank you for joining us. Congratulations on some of the success on Delta Resources. The stock's been doing well. Prices of gold are going up. Minerals and mining company stocks typically right now are going up. So congratulations on your success. Well, thank you. We're very optimistic. Absolutely. And I'm very excited about your company. You guys have like almost no debt. You guys have a tight share structure. You guys are in the right sector right now. How long have you been in this business with Delta Resources? How long has the company been around? Well, the company took over from another company called the Golden Hope Mines that had been inactive since about 2012. They had just done a rollback, so we had nice light share structure. We brought in new management. We brought in new board members. And from then it was time to acquire some really good properties, and we were extremely lucky in finding two real gems. And what exactly does Delta Resources do? We're a mineral exploration company. And so we've acquired some fairly grassroots properties with very high potential that we've acquired based on very strict criteria, and we're exploring them right now. Very good. How large is the property package in Quebec? Oh, my God. The land package in Quebec is huge. It's about 156 square kilometers right now, and in fact it's probably one of the largest one in the Chabugamo camp right now. We started with about 126 square kilometers, and since then have added another 30 square kilometers to the package because we're getting encouragements in the area. So we've consolidated everything, and it looks really good. Why is the Chabugamo, Quebec, an important area for exploration? Well, Chabugamo is, well, first of all, it's an old mining camp, so there's been a lot of mining in the area. There's a lot of people who know mining. Quebec is a very friendly jurisdiction, as you know. But more than that, Chabugamo is going through a bit of a renaissance right now. We've got companies like Troilus Gold that are dealing with a five and a half million ounce deposit just north of Chabugamo. We've got a company like I Am Gold with their Monster Lake project. Monster Lake has nearly half a million ounces of very high grade gold. Then they've got the Nelligan project as well, I Am Gold, which is a 3.2 million ounce deposit. We've got the Genesis exploration, which is right next door to us, and they're working on their Chabugier Gold deposit, which right now sits at about 680,000 ounces of gold. Just recently too, Dory Copper acquired the Joe Mann mine located about 15 kilometers south of us, and that's an old producer that produced way over a million ounce gold. So there's a lot of activity in the area, and I should say that, except for Troilus, all of these deposits occur around a Pluton, the Ladoversiaire and the Verneuil Pluton. We own the large package just north of that Pluton, so it's good ground. Absolutely. Surrounded by some serious players, I like that, with huge, huge, huge ounces. How far does each dollar spent in Quebec for exploration go compared to other jurisdictions around the world? Well, Rich, Quebec is well known for its mining friendly policies. To give you an example for us, we are considered by the Quebec government as being explorers in the mid-north area. In our area, for every dollar that we spend, we get 28% back in incentives. What that means is if you include the taxes, that's 41% that's coming back to us. So when you spend a million dollars and you get $410,000 back, so this is a huge incentive. Wow, that's a huge incentive. That's incredible. I didn't know that. Yeah. Now, and if you go even further north, the incentives are even greater, but of course it's more expensive to explore. Wow. Okay. That's great. Now, you've announced the sale of one of your properties for $1.7 million in cash. I love this deal. And you received your first 100k. I did a video on that explaining the news, which I think is great. With the other payments scheduled over the next 15 months, why is this significant for your exploration project? And based on the Quebec tax structure for exploration, how much is this really worth to you in terms of potential dollars? Well, again, the Quebec jurisdiction is a really great one to explore. And you are correct. We received our first $100,000 payment, $250,000 will be owed in October, and then from then on until September of 2021, we'll get $1.7 million. If we were to spend all of that on our exploration property at Delta II, the $1.7 million, if we can do the math, turns out to be about $2.4 million. And of course, that's non-dilutive. So it's huge for us. Oh, yeah, absolutely. What makes the Delta II project so exciting? Where do I start? It's a great land position, like we stated earlier. It's a great land position, a very active exploration around old mines, like the old Lemoine mine that's just adjacent to our property, the Joe Mann past producer over a million ounce that's just south of our property. Joe Mann was interesting because it's 1.1 million ounces of 8.8 grams per tonne gold, but also mixed in with silver and copper. So it's the type of target that we're looking for at Delta II. The other exciting thing at Delta II is that with all this activity and with these old deposits surrounding us, there's actually two types of deposit that we're exploring for. We're exploring for VMS polymetallic deposits and gold-rich magnetic hydrothermal deposits. So that makes the property pretty exciting. How is it that you have those two distinct types of targets on the same property, gold and VMS, gold, silver, copper, and zinc? How was they able to do that? Well, these deposits form in two different environments, right? The VMS or Volcanogenic Massive Sulfide Polymetallic Deposits, they form at mid-ocean ridges, so at the base of the ocean. Of course, there's no more ocean in the Shabugamo area, but the rock record is telling us that. And the Lemoine deposit is one of those deposits. Lemoine was less than about three-quarter million ton deposit of very high-grade material. So in addition to this, these deposits usually form on a particular stratigraphic horizon. And right now, Delta has about 17 kilometers of strike length of that favorable horizon. So that's one environment. Now, the other type of environment that we're looking at is the Magnetic Hydrothermal Gold deposit. Those deposits form, they're associated with plutonic activity. In our case, it's the La Doversière Pluton, that's for which we have the contact. And basically, when these plutons are in place, they shoot out these dikes into these structures and they also shoot out this mineralization. So there are two very distinct types of deposits. And in our particular case, we have both types on the property. Our 14, for example, is a good gold prospect that is of that Magnetic Hydrothermal Gold. Fantastic. Now, how close were you to the past producing and super-rich Lemoine mine? What were the average grades? Oh, geez. Lemoine was a real jewelry box. In fact, I think to this day, it's probably one of the richest deposits in Canada. It was relatively small, with about 3.25 million tons, 750,000 tons of mineralization, but it graded 9.4% zinc, 4.2% copper, 4.5 grams per tonne gold, and about 90 grams per tonne silver. So like I said, it was a real little jewelry box. It's located about 1.8 kilometers north of our property. But again, a stratigraphic horizon on which Lemoine is sitting extends to our property for over 17 kilometers of struggling. Wow. Is it true that the VMS type deposits like the Lemoine mine always happen in clusters? And what is the likelihood that you can find others like it? I see you've done your homework. It is true. The great majority of VMS, volcanic energetic mass of sulphide deposits, because of the way they form, they typically form in clusters. And there's examples of that everywhere. In Canada, for example, there's the Miranda district. There's the Metogamy district, both of them in Quebec. In New Brunswick, you've got the Bathurst district. In Manitoba, you've got Flinflon and Snow Lake districts.  So when you get a deposit like Lemoine, which is sort of a lone deposit sitting there by itself, it's pretty suspect. Now, not only, you know, we can add to this the fact that the classical distribution of size of these deposits in each individual camp is such that you typically have a giant ore deposit, like, you know, they're typically over 60 million tons of mineralization. The Horn mine and the Flinflon mine in Canada are two good examples of that. But then you get a great number of intermediate-sized deposits, you know, varying between five and 25 million tons of mineralization. And then you usually get a number of these smaller deposits, you know, in the million ton range. Now if we take that into account, we can see that Lemoine is laying at the bottom end of that spectrum, which would suggest that the larger deposits are yet to be found. So that's what we're looking for, and that's what we're targeting. That would be huge. That sounds so exciting. Now I understand that you are completing phase two of your exploration campaign. When will you have results to show the market based on this work? And are you excited about the potential results? We're always excited about potential results. When you get results, geochemical results, most geologists will tell you it's like Christmas morning. But we expect those results, we're not completely done with our mechanical trenching so far. We are done at the snowfall gold occurrence, where past expiration yielded up to 11 grams per ton of gold. So we've done the mechanical trenching there. We've done our channel sampling, and those results should be in within a month. That's what the lab promises anyway. The rest of the assays, because we're still trenching on some of these targets, the results will just flow as we receive them. Very good. And when will you be drill ready? And how many targets do you anticipate drilling? Technically, we are drill ready because some of these targets, we've tried to go take a look at, and in some cases the overburden is just too deep, so they basically become drill targets. That said, we're in the process of prioritizing these drill targets, and once we have a priority list we'll start drilling them. But I would assume that we should be ready by September to start drilling some of these targets if drills are available at the time. This drill program should extend all the way to the winter 2021 because a lot of these targets need to be drilled in winter. So what I'd like to do to start is at least drill a minimum of 10 targets from our volcanic mass of sulphide targets. We have right now a bit over 30, and then we also want to test our gold targets in the southern part of the property. So I'd say we're probably looking to start at about a 5,000 meter drill program. Wow. And what are the chances that you find multiple deposits on the same property? I don't know that you can put any number on that. That said, like we discussed, these VMS deposits typically occur in clusters, and we've got the lone wolf there up there with the Lemoine deposit. Should we be lucky enough to find a new VMS deposit considering the fact that there are typically in clusters, then I would say our chances are pretty high that we will be finding a new one after that. The old saying is no better place to look for a mine than next to another mine. Yeah. That's the name of the game, right? Yeah. What everyone talks about, like my mine is right beside this mine and that mine, and they pulled up 5 million ounces and they pulled out a million ounces. I get it. I understand it. It makes so much sense, right? For us and here in our community, it's all about share structure. We really like tight floats, tight share structures, because those are the ones that explode, right? There's quite a few stocks that we've seen over the last couple years, especially miners that have just gone bonkers. I'm not going to use today to explain them all or to bring them up, but I think we know some of them, and I think I'm sure you know lots of them that have done extremely well. I believe this is an early stage opportunity. Similar to that, it has a lot of upside that can really explode. Can you explain for myself and all of our community what your share structure is, how much is being held by insiders, and what kind of skin in the game you might have as far as how many shares you're holding, and maybe institutional investors, how much maybe they're holding and what's out there on the float, and how much is available for people to buy in the open market? Well, we've got a fairly tight share structure right now. We've got 29 million shares outstanding and fully diluted. We're at about 38 million. A lot of these are warrants that vary in price between 20 cents and 30 cents. We still have a few scraglers at 12 cents, and those will expire at the end of 2021. In terms of opportunity or skin in the game, I personally own 149,000 shares, and I intend to continue investing in the company. Right now, my investment is mostly in time. That said, we truly believe in the stock. Our management in general owns about 4% of the stock, I would say. In terms of institution, we have Cdex, a Quebec institution that went into the last financing at 20 cents with an investment of $200,000. So, there's a lot of float there, and like we said earlier, we are a company that took over an older company called Golden Hope. So different investors like different companies, occasionally you'll have the Golden Hope, the old Golden Hope investor that is looking to sell their shares. So there's always opportunities in the market. If there was one thing you'd want investors to know about the company and why they should possibly invest, what would that be? I would say the biggest thing I would want investors to remember is that our priority at Delta is to bring shareholder value. We're not here to overly promote and pump the stock. We truly want to discover deposits. Our management team with Michel Chatelaine as VP of exploration, myself, Frank Candido have a good history of bringing shareholder value and discovering, making significant discoveries in the field. Our intent is to do the same thing with Delta. We are looking for a mine. Very good. And what is the best way for someone to get in contact with the company if they're interested in investing? Well, there's a couple of ways. I can always be reached directly at ATECIE at deltaresources.ca and Frank Candido, our chairman, is also available at fcandido at deltaresources.ca. I'd invite investors to take a peek at our website, which is deltaresources.ca. Fantastic. Well, I wish you all the best of luck on your future endeavors. Myself and our community will be watching very, very closely. And I wish you all the best of luck moving forward. Thanks very much, Rich. Thanks for this. Thank you for your time today. Andre Tessier, the CEO and president of Delta Resources. Have a nice day, everybody.


Hello, welcome to toffy TV. This is the first episode of the Ned cam podcast I'm joined by Cameron hay from the mighty blues Cameron. How are you mate? I'm all right mate. I'm all good yourself I've been better.  I've been better Why also But just just ever soon to be honest mate No, I know I think I think we'll start off for the palace game. I've not watched your Reaction yet because I wanted to I wanted it to be spontaneous on today's podcast How was your feeling after it? and Disappointed, of course I think everybody was it's a weird one Isn't it really because I compared it to the the fulham results and the banley results and the new castle result But the difference was we didn't we didn't lose this game. It just very much felt like that And you know having as many chances as we did certainly in that first half and not taking them You know You don't really expect to go on and win a game after that the two cycles were absolutely atrocious And look maybe it was just a one-off and a common theme throughout those games I've just mentioned previously was that we all sat here and said, you know Calvert Lunar Michalis and didn't have enough chances So we can't put the blame on them whereas we can't say that for Monday's game So yeah disappointed mate and to be honest it's it's sort of just expected now Isn't it every time we play a good awesome park? I don't expect the decent results at any point now I just look forward to playing away to be honest with you well, I mean we had six big chances and It was six big chances missed and I don't think we've had six big chances in Any game at all this year to be honest all put together Yeah, I read a I read the stat and this morning and I think it said something like the last time We had as many opportunities as we did on Monday was the work with the West Brom game And obviously we score five in that one So I watched the highlights today just some palace fan had put together a highlight reel It was off guy to save but obviously it was of the chances that effort and missed and the Charlotte someone you'd you'd swear he'd score nine times out of ten the Calvitt loo and two chances one on one is Disappointing but again, it's like I said, you know, we can sit here and say it's just one of them games But we've seen it far too many times. I go to some park this season. So it's sort of just I don't know It is what it is at this point, isn't it? With with with big dome, what do you think the problem with with it with the dummies?  He's for me as a poacher He scores a lot of scrappy goals either six yard box But he needs to if you're not good with your feet and you can't you can't create your own chances Then you need to be clinical when you get the When you get the odd one and we've seen him games like West Brom you might have only had one chance one woman the keeper and he's He's flapping it. He needs to he needs to be more composed for me. What do you think it is with Dom? What do you think needs to improve on I? Think I think it's his confidence to be fair in front of goal one-on-one situations I just think his head goes completely out the window. I think he loses all calm I think the thing is with Dominic Calvert-Lewin is he's come a long way this season and last season and since he joined I mean, really, I mean this was a striker who used to drop into basically defensive areas to pick the ball up and then Try and run the old length of the pitch and now he's sort of figured out and work with Duncan Ferguson And to be fair I really like Dominic Calvert-Lewin because I think he's done a lot of that himself You know with a lot of his progression is down to him and his way creating his work ethic He's got a zed down and he's wanted to improve and he has started to get in the right areas He's dominant in the air now But you know, we're gonna talk about Dominic Calvert-Lewin on the level of striker You know and compared into the likes of Harry Kane if we want to talk about best in the league then Harry Kane had a lot to say within half an hour on Monday night, you know The chances that he had that I just think Tom loses is cool in front of goal I think when he's got time to think he doesn't make the right decision when he has to snap at something He's there. He's on the end of it He seems to have that instinct but when he's got a couple of seconds to think about what he's gonna do He always seems to just make the wrong decision. I mean that first chance on Monday I've watched it again about three times He could have just knocked it past the keeper on the right-hand side guys is already on the floor mate He's basically lying down saying to me I take it around me and he just did to Adam the only place that he could have saved it If he took one touch round the right-hand side a little bit like Rechalston did against Southampton, I think it was then he slots it comfortably And we're one in up in 10 minutes and palace as confidence has gone But I just think he I just think he Don't know whether he gets a bit worried or whatever, but I just think he loses it a little bit loses his calmness and panics I just don't think he's He's not scored a lot of gold one moment the keeper as he this season No, he's not I mean was the first pass that was the first chance that pass from all gates Wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, he opened his body up perfect And the angle was there from the slotted bottom right and he does this so many times He tries to hit it He'll open his body up to put like it at bottom right and he did it against I don't know if you remember villa part last season when the space was there to it in the bottom right and he Hits it straight at the keeper like puts his foot across it and just goes the complete wrong way. So Yeah, I think I think well. Yeah Not just gonna say I think what what he does is I think he sort of focuses more on getting the hit in the target rather than Actually taking it around and slotting it in the back of the net and I think that's something that you need to improve on and I've got no Doubt that don't want to calibrate you know go away in the summer and focus on those sorts of opportunities and keeping this calm and So just slot even sort of slowing the moment down in his own head and having that time to compose himself Whereas I think when he gets it in that situation He just thinks I best did this a goal here on target I know that the keeper doesn't get to it and you're absolutely spot on mate It's not it's not like we're sitting here saying now it's a one-off that you know He usually scores them chances He's had about five or six one-on-ones from memory this season that he's done that in the exact same fashion So he needs to improve on it, but I'm sure he will look this is a lad who come in and you know Couldn't really add the ball when he comes to ever and say that he wasn't getting in the right areas in the right times And now he's doing that so he needs to improve on that but again, you know, I'm sure he will hopefully he was a good wing back though wasn't even coming Yeah, it's brilliant brilliant right wing. I probably could do with him at right wing back now to be honest with you mate Yeah, but we've seen him we've seen him score. I mean it's we've got we've seen him sort score finishes like against Was it Brighton a year ago or two years ago and then palace when we scored the second one in last few minutes a game couple years ago So it's there. It's I'm guessing it's just caught like you said it's confidence or it's composure front-to-goal What about what about with Charleston? Do you think it's a poor season or a purple patch or do you think maybe just not overrated him, but Do you think he's maybe We value him a lot more than he's actually worth. I Think he's had a difficult season this season to be fair with Charleston It's mad isn't it because you look at where we are now and I said it on our reaction the other day The fact that we're still within a few points from you even champions league qualification I mean if we win that game and I think with two points behind fourth is mad It just shows on Matt this Premier League season has been because you've what you watch us a goodness in this season And it's where we were fighting at the bottom end of the table with that bad So it just shows how mad it's been and and Richard listen as now There's a great season in every Charleston would have been on the form of last season or the season before then You know, who knows where it would be in terms of the goals that he would have scored again And he had a really really purple patch and then obviously had a couple of goals against Tottenham in the cup and then he started to You know, he started to score, you know comfortably then in game after game He won us the game against Southampton won us the game against West Brom scored and Darby, of course Which is a great finish. I just think again, I don't know whether it is confident He seemed he seemed confident on a on Monday night with Charleston with the you're not the free kick situation where he took the Everybody and he wanted to have to go himself He seemed he seemed like he was full of confidence, but I don't know whether that was sort of a, you know Maybe a front as if to say yeah, I'm gonna show I'm confident here when really I'm struggling a bit He's had a he's had a open down season, hasn't he? Do you think that's down to where he's been? Obviously we saw him start at starting off the left And he wasn't really I know he scored against the Crystal Pally scored a penalty It wasn't really I don't think he scored many goals playing off the left as he cut inside Was it the player on the left against Leicester away and he cut inside and was right? Yeah I honestly think he's a much better number nine. I mean split strike He was brilliant split striker last season with Dominic Havillou and flicking him on playing off him So do you think do you see him as a strike or a winger? I think that's where he wants to play to be honest with you I think he prefers to play as a second.  I want my opportunity and I think again I like him on the wing I do I think he cuts inside and I think he's you know We can offer us something but I do I think he's a better striker I do I think he's he's on the end of balls and like you mentioned if you've got Dominic Havillou and flicking them on He's very good with Charleston. You've seen it in the Massey Tire Dobby with the ball from Hammers He's very good in those situations like the Dominic Havillou and chance with the whole gate pass Rashals with the Betty Daxie. They just took it round the keeper and buried it Obviously he had won himself that he didn't very so it's easy to say that But I do I just think he he maybe prefers to play up front to be honest with you And I think he showed that when he's played up front at times this season He's been a lot better I like them on the left because he's he's he's so direct and he's really good at cutting on it on his right foot But some of the runs he makes a striker. I mean split striker last season He's just constantly on the shoulder and making really good runs in behind. So yeah, I suppose I'd like to see them as a as a two again. I'm not so sure about the You know this it was all right the other day because we obviously played at five at the back And we played our wing backs higher at the pitch But I mean the games like Burnley Southampton, it was far too narrow if you're gonna be that narrow They need to have you need to have Full backs you can get up and down the pitch all game. So Where do you think we need to strengthen the most in the summer then? And I think right back is key to be honest with you. Look I think Seamus Coleman was was very very good The other night, I think he was and obviously played the three international games during the week for Ireland And it was clear that Seamus will I hope I really really do hope that Seamus Coleman was taken off Fitness reasons the other day and not tactically because he was arguably the best ever played on the pitch I think again. It was I just don't think it was tactically I Couldn't get me around that so I don't think he wanted to go off either because when you when you brought I don't need Godfrey Godfrey's not a wing back and you will you allowed them to just move up the pitch then so for me I don't think it was a fitness thing Yeah, he shouldn't it He was our best defender and ultimately he was it was the best game Seamus Coleman's add to everything in a long long time And I love Seamus Coleman. I think he's great and he's done a lot for the club And obviously he's a brilliant ambassador and he's a fantastic fellow But I think within the sort of the same situation with Seamus now as we were with Leighton Baines in 17-18 Where you sort of looking at I think and you've still got something to offer the club And you could still be an important member of the squad Especially if we get into Europe, which is basically a flip of a coin now But start and week in week out You're not gonna get 38 games a season from Seamus Coleman You just know because of his injuries because there's fitness issues and even if you did get 2025 games out of him you're not gonna get at the level that you need so for me a right back Is it is an absolute necessity somebody that can almost made a lot look at the end does on that left-hand side But on the right-hand side and get forward like Seamus used to do and bomb balls into the box Which he did a couple of times on Monday night to be fair But hasn't done that anywhere near enough this season and understandably show And then for me mate again It's it's it's difficult to sit here and say another midfielder because we signed three midfielders in the summer We signed the call right Alan and hammers and you know Well, obviously we've had massive injuries to Alan this season hammers has spent months out here in there You've had the core use now for eight to ten weeks, which just makes me want to cry every time I think about it And I'd still really really like a midfielder who picks the ball up and just takes control of games Just takes that responsibility takes three or four players on and get some hammers is a very very Let me rephrase hammers is an unbelievable football and I mean that goal the other day just shows his quality He literally if he'd have put it anywhere else even a sentiment that either side it's blocked There's four palace players in front of him the goalkeepers on the other the fantastic game at this point And he slots it in the most narrowest place he could put in the goal It's a brilliant brilliant finish, but he doesn't run with the ball He's not gonna pick the ball up take six players on and run with it He'll pass it brilliantly from a standing area and that's important to this team But I add like a midfielder who picks the ball up Even if it's from the back four or from Alan and can just take three or four players on and then give it to the Wingers or give it to hammers to create something. I just don't really think we have that at the moment Well, I think I mean call me was so good a Monday because He was such an attacking threat as well But he didn't he had that because he played the five at the back You know, he was covered at the back. I didn't have to worry about getting up and down all game dropping Yeah, getting right up. So for me if we get a right back I'm not watch many right backs. Obviously we link with Max Aaron's I'm not really seeing much of this back who if we get a right back who can you can do both You can get back and defend and then you can get forward and he's open down all all game Because Coleman can't do that all season can he can probably play about five to ten game this season filling in for someone But then if you get someone who can do both jobs Then you can you don't have to play far at the back You can put an extra man in midfield and that's where you go get you You know you you sumar or you sangari and another big player with legs who can get open get us up the pitch faster So for me, I think that that right back is so crew. That's so crucial for me But obviously we saw us we saw a substitute on a Monday, which was so I felt like a new signing We obviously we saw a gobbling off the bench Do you think it was the the right time to see gobbling coming off the bench in the Premier League? I Said I did the day mate. I think it's the wrong substitution to be honest with you look before before we get into it I want to say it's fantastic to see John Frillick Obama makers return I think it was nearly 600 days 597 days or something like that And it was brilliant to see and it'll do him the world are good for his confidence It'll do him the world are good for the next few games And it's very clear that Ancelotti wants John Frillick Obama to have an important role to play between now and the end of the Season I think certainly with the court a being out for another however many weeks You're gonna need a big physical presence in midfield and hopefully gobbling can be that but when you 1-0 up and the opposition is chasing an equalizer to put a lad on who hasn't played in a year and a half and has got no match Fitness whatsoever. I didn't play in any of the under 23 games from my knowledge Okay, you might have played a couple of games of Finch farm, you know 11 on 11 signing games But again, and he didn't do anything wrong so it sounds mad for me to say he didn't do anything wrong He wasn't he didn't get this possessed I think I just don't think he was match fit and if you watch their goal back and if we're being hyper hyper critical Don't get me wrong Michael Keane just basically runs through ours and Robin Olson just as if he's running for an orthodox or something But the Batman is one of those midfielders That's just stood don't get me wrong Sigartson stood as well And I think maybe Tom Davis the other one but gobbling's one of those that's just stood with nobody around them not Mark and anybody watching that piece of play just go through him So I think for as much as it was brilliant to see him back and it's great to see him back And I can't wait to see him again. And I just think if they've been free a phone a look Yeah, boss bring him on last 20 minutes. No worries whatsoever And if he makes a mistake he makes a mistake It doesn't matter one little with the opposition chasing knowing that we really needed to win that game for for the fight for Europe to take an advantage on Chelsea drop points Tottenham drop points and Just for the confidence of the players really because we're being dreadful at all this season I just I don't think it was the right so pairs needs great to see him back Don't get me wrong and it was brilliant to see him back But I just think you know, maybe a and again, it's it's mad because you look at the bench and you think well You the only other one you could make it maybe a case for this Josh King But it's not like he's lit the you know, it's it up this season when he's come on He's done nothing really not that he's had many a chances, but he's done nothing and everyone else was You know, obviously a young player who hasn't had much experience either So again, it's sort of difficult and I understand where Carlos coming from hammers very clearly Wanted to come off or Carlos Eddie won't he didn't want to risk him or whatever it may be But I just don't think it was the right time to bring come on on to be honest I'm not blaming come on for the goal by the way I'm just saying he's one of the three or four midfielders that I just stand them out and watching that play play out Well, it's it's awareness isn't it if you imagine imagine you've not played Well, you've played one and a half Premier League games and then you injured for two almost two years And then you get thrown on in a game where the other team you've won They look the other teams going all out they bring in on two strikers They brought on my tether and the battery why you scored wasn't it? That's right And then you're and then you've got to somehow defend them keep that one they lead you're not play for two years And it's the I mean the game must feel so fast and intense for you and patch I don't know if patronizing is the right word But yeah, it would have been Go on. Sorry No, go on go on mate. Well for me it would have been I mean if you're one nail up I don't think Palace would that too bothered if they if they didn't go away with any points If hammers, yeah, I just think it why don't we bring Josh King on? Exactly exactly, but you look at the you look at the strikers as well It's not like Richard listen and Dominic Calvert-Lewin. We're having a good day at the office Why wouldn't my not take one of them off and put Josh King off front and left Josh King get on the end of some of those Balls that were coming into the box or some of those chances who knows Josh King might have buried one of them one on one Opportunities we haven't seen enough of them again. I think Rick Obama and it was it was great to see But I just think it was a little bit sort of again It was sort of substitution you'd have expected if we were comfortable if if Richard listen and Dominic Calvert-Lewin buried the 355 million chances they had in the first half then you'd have said yes I'm bringing Obama number four no look before one or whatever Sam bring them on no issues whatsoever But it just again seemed like he was thrown to the wolves a little bit there And yes, he didn't make a mistake individually and yes He was okay and you might be a people might sit there I think with your points void because he didn't do anything wrong But I just think again, it wasn't he was clearly not much fit He hasn't played in a year and a half and at that point we needed to short it up We needed to make sure we didn't concede which we did and we could have done with going on and getting a second goal And the band was never gonna bring another goal. He was never gonna score. I think yeah the game for me And just a touch on briefly. I think Palace Ultimately they would they were doing what the way in which they scored was a similar situation to what they've been doing All game. They're one touch play was far too easy. They were playing it round us They done it three or four times in the first half as I had the shot which was saved by Olson before Dom shot I think he had another shot in the second half Ben Teche had and Rizal how we're flicking it past It was just that they didn't have the quality in the final third to hate us But it was far too easy because the palace to play round us throughout the entire game Well, just before we move on what would you take on the the free kick situation in the first half? I've made Carlos said apparently That rich that they said they put rich Alice on three kicks before the game But if that's the case wise wise hammers and Sigarton and Dean of pulling faces and arguing around him So why couldn't James Coleman going over as a cat? I don't want to criticize shame's come too much Who's brilliant?  That's exactly my point so unprofessional. Yeah, that's it That's exactly my point means. I think you've just hit the nail on the air that I said, you know Seamus was brilliant the other day and he had a fantastic game He did but as a captain of the club as as a captain on the field He should be picking that ball up and going if it was a Charleston that was So that he was taking three kicks before the game and that's aren't go up pick it up and say to I'm as Sigarton and Dean you all know we had this conversation. He's taking three kicks today So is the ball you move away for me while hammers Rodriguez was on that pitch He should be taking three kids in corners. There's no question about it Absolutely. No, the fact that we still see I don't care if it's Dean Sigarton Rashalison Godfrey the fact that we still see other players taking their ball situations when hammers is on the pitch blows my mind Absolutely blows my mind because that lads delivery is above anybody else at the club Sigarton has got a good delivery on him, but it's it's nothing compared to hammers hammers. His delivery is unbelievable We seen that he put in a couple of good corners the other day when he was allowed to take them And one of things just went past everybody. Nobody bother jumping for it. It was a great ball in so I have a couple of issues with the three kick situation One is that if it's Rashalison that's being tasked to take it Why why isn't it hammers that's being tasked to take every three kick because you knew as soon as the They would argue and then they were beaten in the ball was on the ball was going in Rosette Anyway knew it wasn't going anywhere near the goal because it always happens in them situations Players have a little bit of an argument They make themselves look fools and then the ball ends up in the stand anyway. It never goes in the back of the net But like you said Seamus should be cooked Yeah, you're right. Rashalison takes it. We'll just act like we're gonna take it But you look at him as he walks away shaking his head Dean and Sigarton is also looking at each other smiling If Rashalison's been tasked to take the three kick why are the three of them even bothering standing around if you stand them After a tactic great, but why are you standing around wanting to take it when you know? Rashalison's being tasked to take it and if Seamus does see it again He might have seen it but if he does see it and he knows what's going on Just go over and pick the ball up and say yeah, I'll end on it earlier on in the season I can't remember what game it was, but I'll end on it earlier on in the season where I think it was Rashalison wanted to take a free kick and he walked over he picked the ball up and he give it to Sigarton And said no he's taking it and he moved Rashalison out the way And it was done within five seconds game goes on but again Was that the penalty against it was it was it Chelsea? It might have been the penalty against Chelsea Yeah, I just knew it was it was a situation where we had the dead ball And he just went over and picked it up and said no he's taking it move away Rich Allison was was he was sulking after that wasn't it because they get to take the penalty so for me because of that It was because I Mean I Honestly, don't believe cat that they've said to him. Oh, yeah, Rich Allison free kicks today Because we've seen it early in the season when he wanted to take a penalty and Sigarton took it And he was screwing up to Sigarton and then sulking after it. So I I just think it's unbelievable for a Premier League team that's chasing momentum to be chasing you're it's it's unbelievably unprofessional I get that you know emotions are heightened and every player wants to take a free kick in a dangerous area And you've got Dean who can take them Sigarton who's not scored a free kick And he's been at everything bar and one in a preseason friendly against them Blackpool, but surely, you know Dean, Rashalison and I Deep Richard in the city can all stand around and go It's probably best letting this Colombian wizard with an unbelievable effort and a brilliant rifle take this free kick here Because he's either gonna float it in perfectly towards meaner or keen or he's gonna with the target because you knew soon as Rich Allison stepped up, you knew he was gonna time bending in that far corner It's such a difficult technique and he's not like he scores free kicks every week He doesn't take free kicks and he doesn't score them. So I agree with you I just think it was a bit of a laughable situation really that made themselves look a bit a bit foolish Well moving on we had some sort of some sort of victory over the over over east obviously Obviously the youth team in the FA cup FA youth cup went to be city one there with a last-minute winner from the loop Butterfield Yeah, yeah, I think did he play is it Chelsea in the fifth round? And then if they win that is it Tottenham and Tottenham or West Brom in the quarter-finals So do you think there's a good chance you can go on and win that? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I mean the Manchester City game was brilliant wasn't it? And it's absolutely fantastic a last-minute winner 97 minutes seven minutes at a time And it was in the 97th minute 35 seconds and it falls to loop Butterfield and it's a great strike It's an absolutely unbelievable strike and it was what it was what they deserved and like you said I go in the last minute like that gives you so much confidence and so much momentum Going forward and they have got another couple of difficult games coming up Chelsea Tottenham, you know difficult fixtures and but ultimately, you know when you when you beat the side like Manchester City I know what this isn't the Manchester City in the Premier League we're talking about But it's still a Manchester City side that I'm massively funded and I've got a very very good academy players like Phil Foden We've come through that academy and You know, it's a big big result. It's a big big result. And like I said, you know They should be feeling all of the confidence now to go on and and get the win against Chelsea and then progress further in the Cup obviously we had the engineer to Tyler on Yango as well, which is extremely disappointing Wishing him speedy recovery. Well, I was gonna say the only downside was seeing on Yango being stretched it off That's as he had his surgery or was he having surgery? He's had his surgery now that was on his ankle It was a horrific tackle horrific challenge. I don't know that probably didn't mean to do well They definitely didn't mean to hurt him because nobody does but it's disappointing because Tyler's had a fantastic season ultimately He's played every time he plays in the under 18s He's like he's like mess playing in a normal game. He's absolutely brilliant. He plays in the 20s He's very good. And when he had that chance to come on and make his debut with Thierry Small again Sheffield Wednesday in the in the Carabao FA Cup FA Cup sorry few months back He wanted the ball. He was confident. He was calling for it. He wanted to get it He wanted to play he looks at a top top player Tyler on Yango and I play with an absolutely massive massive future And it is disappointing for him But you know, we just all have to support him and I'm sure he'll come back a better player and You know everybody you'll have the full support of the club But it's disappointing when you see a lad have such a good season and then it end like that with it with a horrifying challenge. Yeah, well Do you think they really needed to play him?  Yeah, I don't see why not to be honest with you I think with on Yango that the main thing is is he's playing in the under 18s consistently Obviously before the injury he was involved in the under 23s and he's pretty much always in the match They scored it in the first team as well So it almost seems like that player that throughout the 18s the 20s and the first team He's just always there be it playing or be it on the bench and you know Tyler and Yango's a player who I've sat here a couple of times watching everything go and bring him on give him an opportunity He's big. He's a physical presence in the midfield. He's good with the ball at his feet He can tackle he's fast. He picks the ball up and runs with the ball We spoke before about what the player who picks the ball up and runs with it. He can do that So it is massively disappointing because I I agree with you I think we would have seen him before the end of the Premier League season I mean, I don't expect much in these last nine games to be honest with you because everything about his consistent as a chocolate fire guard And so I really don't expect much So I would have thought you would have seen Tyler on Yango Maybe in the last game for 10 or 15 minutes given that experience. So it is disappointing But ultimately like we just said the EE is usually his head and shoulders better than everybody on that pitch when he plays for the under 18 So can sort of see why he played and but yeah, it's it's it's disappointing It wasn't it wasn't great to see at all. And you know, you just got to wish him speedy recovery and hope that he comes back Yeah, ready for next season really. Yeah, cause what do you think? What do you think next thing is for on Yango? Then obviously we've seen some some highly, you know potential players like like to Dowell and Obviously Pennington as well. It was like 26 now. We've seen him just rot away in the under 23 That's from when we've said from such a young age or they're gonna be really So do you think the next thing for him would to be go out and long for a couple of years get some experience knowing in a lower league We've got a battle and really work hard Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I think there's a couple of players there Who there's now question marks over in terms of the futures with them And obviously you've got to Eddie Small who there was a few rumors around contact situations with him Ella Sims currently out on loan at Blackpool. You've got Jadav Bran three thousand loan Who again you mentioned they're coming towards the last few games of last season and was brilliant in the Premier League He looked like he was a season professional there and this is a lad who was playing lead to football before that So I think Tyler and Yango fits into that category of players who ultimately Playing in the under 18s and playing in the under 23s isn't really doing much for the development whatsoever because you can clearly see whenever Tyler and Yango plays in the under 18 specifically. He's much better than anybody's he's more physically dominant He's bigger. He carries the ball comfortably and does it in the 23s as well He's a very performs eight nines out of ten in enough every week and So I think playing there constantly isn't really doing much for his development I don't really think all our enchilotti season was somebody that's gonna come in and play in the Premier League week in week out Yet he'll be involved in the matchday squads and he might come on every now and then but again Carlo hasn't seen certainly this season to have that amount of trust in the younger players Obviously, we had the big the barker with nails in kung-ku when Luca Dean got injured and we all wanted nails in kung-ku to step in And he didn't and so I think for the next move for Tyler There's definitely a low move a top championship level club where he's playing week in week out and and it's you know Obviously, it's more physically demanding in the Premier League in terms of you're playing a lot more games in the championship Then you do in the Premier League and you're playing constantly near enough two times a week And so I think you know if you can guarantee a championship loan where he's gonna play every week Then perfect if you can't then maybe a league one loan where he's gonna play every week like you've got with Simms and building that experience open and letting them go out and get that not just that matchday experience But that competitive matchday experience is playing in the championship against Darby County It's gonna be more it's gonna be more beneficial for him than playing against Aston Villa's under 18s in the under 18s. Um, so yeah, I think that's his next move personally But I know fully hopefully can come back you can recover and he can get back to fitness to the point We're in the summer. We look and go right. We've got this long move for you. You're gonna go and play every week I don't know. Um, I don't know name it Middlesbrough somebody like that Just a random example of a championship club Another blackburn, maybe although it's not been No, he's a he's had a he had a couple of good games at the start didn't he and he had a lot of praise and then he had a Couple of difficult games and then he's gonna laugh that he's a young kid He's a young lad. He's gonna have difficult games of football. I mean the last nine games of last season He's playing a lot on the general and wasn't he was brilliant. I remember that Aston Villa game He was absolutely fantastic Um, but he is he's gonna have difficult games. He's gonna make bad decisions. He made the title for Just before he went on loan I think for the under 23s on the line, which was absolutely exceptional So you can see the quality that he has you can see the potential that he has but it won't be a disappointment Like you mentioned a couple of names there Kieran Dahl Obviously we've had a number of players throughout the years that you've you saw to look at in preseason and you go He's the next big yeah, and it never really happens the end of playing for knowledge or offered in two years time So it would be disappointing if the likes of on young going, you know small and You know brand thweath went down that path So it's important that the pathway for those players is set in stone and it's in place And that pathway ends with playing first team football forever because if it ends with signing for knowledge Then what's the point? I think the thing well on young always is this he's the Perfect type of player we need that big box-to-box energetic midfielder But he's obviously a few years behind so I think developing him and getting getting him some experience in a in a lower league He has to battle and really work hard is a certainly important factor for me But obviously you mentioned another player in the in the in the academy there to every small What do you think the future holds for him? Obviously with some some rumors some rumors that he's trying to get a move away or he might be signing that contract here I don't know whether you believe him or not, but what do you think holds for him? I think T80 small he's been tells there's the best left back in the wheel for his age group I mean he's being compared to the likes of Alfonso Davis by a Munich, which is it which is a fantastic comparison Because he's a brilliant brilliant player. I really like T80 small big big compliments I like to meet T80 small he's a great little footballer obviously made this debut youngest ever ever Player in a competitive game against a few Wednesday in that same game I think it's difficult for T80 small because he's got for me the best left back in the country He's playing week in week out and now's income guru is very very good and obviously still an experience And maybe a loan move for now's income guru is on the cards as well I don't know but again now's income gurus when he stepped in this season has looked really really bright certainly going forward He's looked fantastic in those cup games Again, I don't think we blame T80 small I've seen a lot on Twitter about You did his attitude is this that and the other this is a young lad who just wants to play football I understand where people are coming from is that he's 16 and he shouldn't expect But I think the way in which that article was written about and potentially wanting to leave was a little bit misleading I think it was written as if it's T80 small has gone into enchilote and said I want to play every week in the Premier League I don't think that's the case whatsoever. I think he's probably said I want a little bit more involvement I want to make the matchday squad on a couple of more times I want to maybe come off the bench and you know have a little bit of an involvement I want to be training constantly with the first team I don't think it was as black and white as T80 small wants to play every week at left back and you know Wants to outplay Leucadine. I don't think that was the case whatsoever But ultimately again, it's it's the season the club are gonna have to make you know What is T80 smalls pathway is his pathway a loan out and maybe again Like we spent mention with Tyler on yongo playing week out week in week out in the Premier in the championship Sorry or league one like hella sims was doing and then forming himself into a Premier League level footballer and playing forever And we can week out or is it gonna be you know, we've got Leucadine for the foreseeable future now You've got now's incongru is probably the next in line to to you know, build into that left back So is T80 smalls future looking a little bit bleak at ever and again So this isn't a club we're gonna have to make but I really like T80 small I think it'd be very very disappointing if he was to leave I mean, I've a daddy's happy to stay anyway, so I'm guessing the transfer room is we're just Room is trying to spark things up in there in the window. I'm guessing but I mean you mentioned now's incongru Do you think what do you think the next thing is for him to think you should go out and learn?  Is he 20 or almost 20? So he's getting to that stage now where he's got decided is you're gonna go out and learn and make himself a No, we're trying to improve so we get himself into that first team Yeah, I think it's an option. I mean probably to be honest with you Obviously, you know, it's difficult for any left back coming through with everything because you've got look at the unit left back Who was absolutely accepting but the reality of that situation is you don't just want one left back Look at the end spent two or three months out injured this season and obviously we have to adapt and put Ben goffrey there And again, you're looking at T80 small situation And he's not just looking at Dean and incongru in front of him He's now thinking about well if Dean gets injured It's probably gonna be goffrey because he done a fantastic job there and then it's probably gonna be incongru And so he's probably number four So again, I think within concu I I would like to see incongru more in the Premier League to be honest I'd like to see him coming off the bench with 20 minutes to go because I think he's got a raw Energy and a raw talent about him and certainly we just spoke about the palace game You look at the palace game and Gabam and coming on with 20 25 minutes to go And you're sort of thinking he's a young lad with raw energy raw pace and just wants to impress what you're seeing The assist for Moise Keane earlier on the season in the cup is brilliant He takes everybody on he gets to the ball and he backheels it right in his path and Moise Keane slots it So I personally would like to see now as incongru coming on with 15 20 minutes to go in games And just having that raw energy to tire to work against the tired opposition because ultimately Sometimes you need that sometimes you need the play to the opposition I'm gonna look at and go are these pure pace this lad He's gonna absolutely run rings around us in the final 20 minutes here Even if he doesn't produce anything final product wise and I'm not necessarily saying bring him on at left back Why not bring him on at left midfield? Why not bring him on and say right? You just get run about you know make that force the opposition into making mistakes And but I don't think all I want to see is that I think you'd prefer to put on a Gomez or a Sigitson or somebody else so I think alone deal probably, you know is that is the way forward for them Finals incongru, but personally I'd like to see him involved a lot more in the Premier League Well that would be another good thing about getting Europe League as well we get more more games more chances develop younger plays and another play with possibly for me If we were to get Europe League would be you know, obviously need a bigger squads I would be looking at signing Joshua King on a parent deal, but I don't I don't think the manager's I've not got I've got the impression that he doesn't really like him. It's obviously not got onto He's not got a good start anyway Reviton so what do you what do you think the future holds for Josh King? Do you think it should Simon on a permanent deal or do you think let him go and looks elsewhere depending on whether they get Europe League or not He's a mad one any Josh King. He's an absolute mad one because we signed and we brought him in in January He is effectively on a glorified loan. He's coming for six months. He's out of contact in the summer We can decide whether to sign him or not We don't he goes on and signs for somebody else if we do he signs for us I think you mentioned your opinion football There's a big summer forever and whether you finish in Europe or not if we don't finish in Europe We've got a drastically improved because your next season is it is an absolute must then I mean this season It'll be disappointing and there'll be a lot of unhappy evidence and fans But if we don't finish in their next season, it'll be carnage Sorry, um, but in terms of Josh King again I think it baffles me a little bit because there's there's been games where you sort of thinking Why not start them from the off? I I don't think Josh King coming on with five or ten minutes to play at the end of a game Is doing him any good whatsoever? You're almost asking a lot to change a game Impossibly, you know, the balance is in play Usually we're with the balances against ever and usually we're getting pinned back in the last 10 or 15 minutes And you're bringing on Aladdin and almost saying right go and do something with five or ten minutes to go When he's not going to have much, um, you know sorts of opportunities or creativity given to him So again, he hasn't started the game for ever in this season. Why I don't know Yeah, the west prom game, which would have been a great chance to start him. Um Even palace why not bring him on it on 60 minutes 50 minutes when um, when you know Dominic Calvary and we're Charleston and missing one-on-ones, you know every five seconds King on it just baffles me a little bit.  So bringing on a player with pace who's who's fresh. It's certainly It certainly stops them getting higher at the pitch and It is that player who can play on the counter and he can change it I don't know if he can change the game Like we've seen for everton, but I mean you coming against united he won that free kick that led to the goal, didn't he? He was I think he did a step over and beat a man. It was took a bit of skill nice bit of pace So for me, we need to see more from before the end of the season But he'd be a player if we'd get into your and I'd be definitely signing him signing him signing him on a permanent deal And we still need a striker regardless whether you sign him anyway You know, if we don't sign and we just got to go out and fill that space anyway And if we finish in your that we need as many good quality players as we can I'd just like to see him start a game before the end of the season to be honest, mate I just want to see what he can do from the off because I really don't think Five or ten minutes at the end of the game is benefiting him much at all. Yeah, so versatile as well, isn't he? He can play wide I mean he's tall and he's he's quite you know, he's strong so he can play in that that dominant kavel Loan role as well. So for me, he'd be an absolute State, you know, he was not going to cost us anything So I like to see more towards the end of the season But at the moment, it's not being so great. I mean, I mean you touch on the Europa League thing before I think Before the season I predicted us to finish. I think we all said about eighth, seventh or eighth will be five not two Most have been missed out on Europe You know, we've obviously if sitting in the quadruple or at least the domestic treble, they've got a bigger chance of getting to Europe with seventh or sixth or Fifth or whatever But I think now we've been it's been such a You know, we had such a good start and we've been sort around like the Not in the Champions League spots, but fighting, you know, there's a big chance We've got to get that top four and push on or at least the top six If we were to finish eighth now it would be so disappointing Yeah, definitely definitely it's been it again It's it's been a mad season and it's been a mad season for everybody Look, Evan aren't the only team you've been dreadful at home this season Liverpool went three years without losing at home and lost six or seven on the bounce Lester haven't been great at the king power Man United haven't been brilliant at all suffered certainly not at times this season So it has it's been a crazy season But you look at some of the the winds and some of the highs You've got the Derby win first time in 22 years Spades for the first time I think in over a decade We went seven on the bounce at the start of the season and top of the league And then, you know, obviously we've had two quarterfinals as well And some really good results against Chelsea and Arsenal when the fans were in the stadium So it would be very very disappointing if we weren't to finish in the European position at the moment For me mate, it's a flip of a coin. I said it on our last team yesterday I would be as surprised if I didn't finish 10th as I would if we finished fourth because again The thing with with that I think with between now and the end of the season is It's about consistency and you look at stars like Westam and okay They might be able to compete against the sides that are above them But nearly enough every time they play anybody below them they win they win those games I know the will will score twice through the day and pulled it back But they obviously managed to get the win which is all that matters And I think the teams that are consistent are going to be the teams that finish in those places this season And I don't see where evidence consistency is going to come from. I really don't I mean You were to say to me now you lose next week to Brighton and you beat Tottenham I'd be shocked because Tottenham is a good thing But I wouldn't be as I would expect it because again the games like that you expect to win Your policies, your banlies, your fulums I mean if we won all of those games would be fighting with City at the top of the league It would be second It's crazy. It would be second comfortably We haven't lost. I think we've lost. We lost to Chelsea away We lost to United and we lost to City They're the only games that you think yeah Probably you know again can't really say much about them Every other games being a joke Well I'm sick of saying before a game or we win this we go How many times have we said oh we win this we go top four It's like what I wish someone would just tell the players that to be honest but I mean You're thinking about that and that's just getting to the dead. I don't know Yeah, I mean if you look at Westam's form they've been brilliant at home and you look at ours We've played 15 games so there's 45 points at home and we've took 18 points Five wins three draws isn't it 18 points which is Absolutely a business for Everton team but then you look at our away record We've won I think we've only lost three games haven't we Yeah Yeah and two of them win a week of each other which is I'm not quite like us so yeah like you said it's a strange season It is it's it's mad it is mad and look there's a lot of you know we can sit There's a lot of if buts and maybes and we can all sit here and say Oh but when the fans are back I mean the two games we played the fans at the stadium Of course we're brilliant the Arsenal game I know we played United in the cup not not counting that But the Chelsea game was brilliant it sounded like there was 40,000 Evertonians there and We performed really well defended really well the Arsenal game we come back We got the win after they pegged it back to one all Um really good second half in that game defended brilliantly So we can all we can sit here and say well when fans are back in stadiums next season Maybe we'll have a brilliant own form and then Angelotti sort of Mastered how to go away from home and get results But again you could then say that for every other team really because not like we've been the Only team that have been poured at home this season so it's been a mad one made it as an Like I said I don't think anybody can definitively sit there and say I know We're never gonna finish this season because it could be fifth it could be tenth And I wouldn't be as I'd be as surprised with both of them as each other to be honest with you because Again, you know look at some of the games we've got coming up We've still got to play Villa twice Arsenal and City obviously last game this season Wolves Tottenham So It's everything in it mate. We don't know Well to finish off we've got obviously we're at Brighton away the next Monday Are you feeling obviously it's an away game? So we might be completely different. Are you feeling confident?  I really really don't I just don't I just don't think we defend well with five at the back I don't think me and Akeen and be a goth for you or Holgate or whatever I don't really think the completely understand that five at the back formation But that's difficult to say when we created about 300 chances the other day And it was down to carpet in and for Charleston not converting I am I am confident. I am confident because we're away if we were at home I I wouldn't want to talk about it to be honest mate. I'd be heading mehans And I'm confident every time we go away because we seem to set up really really well away from home To nullify teams bright in a in a battle ultimately I know they're slightly above the relegation zone But they still they'll still be looking over the shoulder. They're still in a battle But the home forms pretty shocking isn't it? Brighton especially for the past three years I don't think it's probably worse than ours which is Saying something that Yeah exactly Yeah, yeah well again and that's something that I haven't got to capitalise on I mean away away has been our you know we've been brilliant away from home this season And then hopefully we can go on and continue that but if Carlo mentioned bravery before his press conference against crystal policy said If we're brave we can finish in the European positions now You'd call that brave deal tonight. I mean missing as many opportunities as we did. I don't think you can But we want to talk about bravery. He's mentioned mentality before this season.  We can't be doing any of that now We need to be going to Brighton and getting the three points ultimately if we want to be seen as a Sad challenging for Europe. You've got to be bright in a way. No disrespect to Brighton But you've got to be bright in a way from home and I'm a confident look at I think again Yeah, do the way of the go for Richard listen to score it'll do the way of the go for Don to score And hopefully we can again we can sort of put that game behind us against palace It feels like we're talking about the loss doesn't it we we talk a point which isn't good enough I know but feels like we're talking about the loss But hopefully we can put that behind us and we've got to go out and win ultimately It feels like an absolute loss to be honest especially this worse when you want to love when you've had Six missed big chances and you come away with one point. It's only will be frustrating but I think the thing for me for Brighton I'm just gonna I'm gonna put Everton to lose on me toffy picks because it seems every time I put Everton to win on me toffy picks or I put you know, I put them to win on me On me on me betting thing then they always seem to lose. So I'm just gonna I'm gonna be Completely unoptimistic and it's put us to lose and hopefully that'll get to the three points But inside I'm feeling confident about Monday. So yeah, I suppose we'll see camera Thank you very much for coming on the the nedcan podcast camera will be on every week because it is the nedcan podcast Otherwise, it'll be just a ned podcast. So there you go. Thank you very much for watching If you want more videos including exclusive live videos including a phoning then heads of patience subscribe It's literally cheaper than a big mac and big macs don't even fill you You can catch coming on the mighty blues channel over on youtube. Thank you very much for coming on again And uh, yeah, there you go. Thanks for watching and see you later