Or white and color sold at room temperature So it's it's derived from mint it can be synthetic or it can be derived from actual mint oil So it's a it's kind of an essence of mint so I can write a menthol cookbook For the Winston lover in you Rogers menthol cookbook Winston Salem It was like the the two towns were Virginia Slims those are the ones that were marketed solely at women for the longest time My dad smoked menthols Those were the the last cigarettes before he quit smoking in like 78 were menthols I don't remember what kind of cigarettes my dad smoked. I think I actually have his last pack of cigarettes. That's why I know Yeah, oh those days Those days He became very into chewing on cinnamon sticks that were kind of shaped like cigarettes.  He's like no Because there was a there was nothing there was no tobacco in the cinnamon sticks But it was like something where he's like, this is my thing like this is not candy for you Well, I'm sure in his mind it was like this is a replacement for cigarettes so letting you chew on it would be like Cigarettes exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, but it's cinnamon as long as he didn't go into snuff or not snuff a chew I know the difference between snuff and chew snuff you put up your nose Chew you put between your Baseball players chew.  Really? Because that way they could be shown on tv with their pack of big league chew Which was like a great role model for the kids eating the bubble gum But then they would secretly still have their tobacco in there Right. I noticed a lot is like is it sunflower seeds? I had ideas today Just a pinch between your cheek and gum Well, the snuff thing is I don't That's what the british used to be fought the revolutionary america. I see I see and if you were to record someone on video using snuff Don't call it a film Yes Knuff clip No, it really doesn't Uh Kids Yeah, we really have I feel I feel satisfied. I feel like it's ready. We're ready to tell people about some technology I feel that way as well. Would you like to read line three today? I would good. I'm glad that that aligns with my requirements Very well All right, uh, let's catch you in in five Four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash supports This is daily tech news for wednesday november 14th 2018 in los angeles. I'm john merit and from studio feline I'm sarah lean and i'm roger chang the producer of the show Uh, scott johnson usually with us on wednesdays is out sick today. So send them your well wishes We hope it gets better soon. Uh, we're going to have you Prepare the main segment for today's show. We got some great emails from folks Who are affected by the amazon headquarter decision and we'll share their insights with you a little later on But let's start with a few tech things you should know Pocket cast updated its android and ios apps with new ability to play an episode without subscribing Search episodes from a podcast listing plus more curated sections for discovery and cross platform q support episode listening history And better apple watch support as well. It also now recognizes season and episode numbering Samsung says its forthcoming exanose 9 series 98 20 chip has a pretty hot neural processing unit seven times faster than the 98 10 Which is used in some models of the galaxy s9 So you can guess the exanose might be used in some models of the s10 Samsung also claims the 98 20 delivers 20 better conventional single core performance 15 percent multicore And a 40 rise in power efficiency the 98 20's gpu uses arms molly g 76 cores and can handle 8 k video Exanose 9 20 goes into mass production by the end of the year The star in malaysia reports that netflix is testing a mobile only plan within the country the new tier cost 17 ring It or about us $4. It's about half the price of the previous most basic tier which sells for 33 ring It's per month netflix confirmed that the trial is running in a few countries overall Well, let's talk a little more about intel stick uh intel likes to make compute sticks and they have announced the neural compute stick the ncs2 It's a thumb drive with a self-contained neural network running on a movidious myriad x vision processing unit vpu if you will It lets users train machine learning systems locally So as long as you have a linux system with the usb 3 port plug this thing in They even have a picture of somebody with a usb usb extension where they plugged in multiples of them And then you can use it for your machine learning projects Without having to rent space in the cloud or buy expensive machinery and the ncs2 sells for 100 bucks from intel So this is going to be something very affordable for developers All right, so tom. What's your best guess at How a developer would prefer this over something in the cloud because i'm just sort of you know If it's if if if storage is of the utmost concern This just has another layer of security. I would imagine. Yeah, it's another layer of security. It's convenience It's not having to pay For for the privilege to to use the cloud system now great now granted There's lots of of free systems out there for for doing some machine learning, but it just gives you full control And and you can be offline. I don't know how much of a concern that is But I know having the the ability to Make this more portable put it in in your own system Is going to be appealing and and the only negative would be the cost but at 100 bucks I'd be tempted to get one of these and play around with them if I had some time Yeah, no kidding So, yeah, I think this is going to be cool And in fact if there are any developers out there in the audience who Think they'll benefit from this or or have already ordered one. Maybe uh today Send us an email feedback at daily tech news show dot com All right, let's move on to something that is very cool Google has released the night sight camera mode for all three of its pixel phones to Pretty universal praise if you read the rags It lets you take pictures in the dark without any additional hardware without a tripod and long exposure night sight uses an algorithm to assemble a burst of consecutive frames so, you know frames in in in in consecutive order and also a picture with enough light into it to make That picture it takes into account motion of the phone Motion of objects in the scene Amount of light overall takes fewer exposures for longer if the camera still Versus when it's handheld because it knows that it's being moved around It's also trained to adjust color correction and white balance There is a negative photos may not look like they were taken at night It also doesn't deal well with lap with fast moving objects like cars or brightly lit objects. So there are some There there are some issues with this however The idea that being able to take a low light photo, which is difficult I mean even some the best cameras have have issues with this because the whole idea is that the shutter has to be open for longer Which means that things are more blurry that just sort of the nature of how photography works to be able to put an array of photos together To make that Low light photo look brighter Is very very smart. No, of course, you know as as the verge points out in their article Which is a really good overview of of what this does It does tend to blow out a photo. So if you're looking for that kind of You know night alleyway type thing you might not get that but you could say that about lots of different sensors Yeah, it's truly for night Filming in fact, uh, he points out in the verge article that this isn't great in a city Where you have a lot of light around You might not want to use it and google is actually pretty good at suggesting when it needs to be used You can put it into place But but it'll kind of turn itself on it'll give you the option to turn it on when it thinks you need it And then you don't have to do anything else. It just once it's on it's on and it does its thing It's all in software. So like you said, it doesn't have to have long exposures It's it's doing it in software And and yeah, if you've got enough light it may overcompensate in certain ways, but But again, as you said, it's doing more than just brightness. It's doing color correction It's doing white balance and in truly dark situations Where your eyes have enough light to see But a picture would never come out. This is performing miracles. This is this is actually really impressive because What it means is that whoever makes I mean if if If google is willing to license the technology to other android handset makers That means they don't need to necessarily give you the fastest glass. You don't need the the most sensitive Largest sensor because essentially what it's doing is what for digital photographers do right now, which is They manipulate the you shoot and run you manipulate the image afterwards Try to get eke out the best quality image out of the information you have And what's really fascinating is they're taking the whole hdr concept when you do an hdr photo You take one at a low exposure. So you get all the highlights at the at the upper end You take one in the middle is kind of your baseline and then you take one at the upper end where you get all the All the all the parts of the image that are too dark to normally see and then you composite them On top of each other in order to bring out everything equally And this is essentially just one step beyond that where it does the same process where it takes a bracket photo of three or four Shots and then it comparatively adjusts the image. So you end up with an image that looks Maybe not pleasing but it's visible like you can see stuff You can see someone's face instead of just like you know a tint off their glasses or or maybe a hint of an eyeball Yeah, and it's it's really really cool because as you said, this is all in software And it's something that like hey, you know what this this They have a flagship phone, but I can get the same technology and in a you know mid-weight phone That does something similar So I don't necessarily need to buy the flagship phone because I want to be able to take a shot at a bar or something Well, you're hoping I'm hoping I'm hoping right now. You need to buy the flagship phone Although to your point google released this for all three models of the pixel Now you don't get all the features if you're on the original pixel because the original pixel just doesn't have All the machinery it needs to take advantage of this, but But you can get it So because it's software they're rolling it out to all their models, which is great It's also, you know, I don't want folks to be confused. It's not just brightening and it's not just doing what hdr Does as roger explained it's also adding some machine learning. It can do that color correction. It can add detail It can sharpen things I I think the verge has a really Of the ones that I read the best Uh demonstration of this because they do the thing where you can slide back and forth between And an untreated photo and the photo taken with night sight on and with night sight on It's it's a world of difference now in a couple of them You can see like oh, you know this bright object at night looks better without night sight So you get to see both sides of it, but it's pretty amazing what it can do in in super low light situations Mozilla has published a guide called privacy not included That evaluates the security of popular holiday gift items It's mozilla's gift guide for what both to buy and maybe not to buy 33 of the 70 products in the guide carry a mozilla badge That says they meet minimum security standards. So automatically being encrypted automatic security updates Requiring you to change a default password if there is a default password stuff like that really targeting internet of things product descriptions also include things like Whether a device uses its camera or its microphone or its location services to track you Uh, so some of the ones with a badge are the nintendo switch to google home the amazon echo apple tv ipad ps4 xbox one This is not a bash guide. This is saying hey, we look at the practices of these devices We're not talking about whether you trust the company, but what do the devices do with your privacy? Does that meet our minimum standards kind of a cool idea? Yeah, it really is it's also uh, you know, if you if you look at the privacy not included list, it's nicely done sites, uh, and many products that i'm like, okay I mean was I worried about these not necessarily, but it's nice to get that mozilla seal of approval if you were Well, yeah, especially okay. Let's take the mycroft mark one It's a smart speaker. It's off-brand, but maybe I find uh, a little bit of a deal on it, right? And i'm thinking oh, I might buy this for one of my relatives my my sister or my my father Sure, but there's less of that brand. You know, maybe you haven't worked with this company before You're not totally sure and mozilla has done your research for you. Yeah, it's meets our minimum security standards Okay, suddenly I feel a little better, uh about it And if I want to dig in myself it'll talk about what kind of encryption it uses what its privacy policy is What kind of controls I have you can you can dig into some of the stats there It's at the mozilla foundation mozilla.org We'll have a link to it in the show notes as well. Go check it out Sorry, I'm looking at this adorable alarm clock that I just really want now So, yes, was that it obvious enough for you? alphabet owned deep minds health division including the stream app for assisting doctors and nurses Will be transferred to alphabet owned googles google health division The deep mind health division has partnerships with 10 nhs hospitals to process medical data in the uk The stream app ran into controversy over its use of 1.6 million patients data in royal free hospital in london Lawyer and privacy expert julia powells pointed out that deep mind promised to never connect people's intimate identifiable health data To google accounts products or services and deem the transfer trust demolition Deep mind told the bbc that patient data remains under our nhs partners strict control Yeah This is a tricky one Uh, I I think it's a little bit of an overreaction to say it's trust demolition I think the trust was already maybe demolished if you're upset about this if you don't trust google You're not going to like health information being transferred to google And remember there was a problem with those nhs, uh hospital data They they were uh slapped on the wrist by the courts for not properly informing people that the information was being used Although they did not think it was being used irresponsibly It's just that you needed to disclose it It was it was anonymized and aggregated and protected in all the right ways Deep mind is right that this is all into the hospital's control. Uh, so it's compliant with the law So really moving it to google health division shouldn't be a problem unless you don't trust google google don't trust that google is going to keep being a good steward of this kind of information Yeah, it's just it makes you sigh right because It's it's not that google is going to do anything right like I can't I can't really poke holes in what's going on here But I understand why people would say well, but why Yeah, and and and it's because they think well google could use this data to inform their advertising google could use this data without telling us again the way deep mind did once Uh, google could do this and that and you know, I think you can overrate this sort of thing But the fact that deep mind promised never to connect it with google accounts products or services I mean google can continue to say that except that google health is a google service So now you have to hedge it and say we'll never connect it to google accounts products or other google services But then if you don't connect it to a google account and it's google health. Well, that seems kind of weird doesn't it Yeah, and you know you mentioned hedging This sorts of uh sort of thing especially if you're in the legal field If you see it the outset. Oh, well if this is happening Well google better not do anything with people's information Then the company may be less likely to do so in the future And at least you're on record of saying that, you know, you had a problem with it way back when Verizon announced its capital expenditures would decline and deployment of infrastructure would remain the same So in other words not increase Sprint and AT&T have also reduced their overall capital expenditures numbers for 2018 the carriers attribute the declining investment to timing Saying like oh, well, we just kind of finished some investment and then we won't be needing more investment until later So it's not going to happen this year As well as more efficient technologies Saying that new technology means we just don't have to spend as much to get the same punch Out of our investment. So we you know virtualization things like that mean That that we're reducing our cost, which is great. All of this is good news If the savings cascade down to us Which they may or may not as far, you know I think we overestimate how much they don't they definitely cascade down to us slower than we would like but but you know eventually We did see unlimited plans sort of spread themselves around with caveats But still better than the the high priced metering that we had before on the other hand Sarah Didn't these companies all say that the reason they needed the open internet guidelines repealed Was so that they could take off the shackles and increase investment Yes, I'm glad to hear that 5g deployment will be so inexpensive for all these big companies and will You know enjoy The the next wave of of connectivity. Yeah, I don't know man Okay, I think I think a lot of this is you know, it depends on region and and If there's not a lot of infrastructure that That verizon in this particular case is going to be putting a lot of investment into over the next year a couple of years Sure. Okay, but um it It doesn't make a lot of sense to me Based on how many regions of the world really but you know As far as Verizon's market or any particular market goes that a company would be like, well, we're pretty much done Yeah I think it's tempting to want to spin the narrative to be You you lied about uh declining infrastructure before to get net neutrality repealed and now You were lying about increasing investment after net neutrality got repealed and you're just a bunch of liars I don't know that that's actually what's going on But I think it is fair to say like hey You don't necessarily make a case that you needed these shackles off if your investment was Pretty much level and is continuing to be the level or declining Because of technology because what what you're saying here is the technology Allowed the investment and so even if net neutrality rules had increased the cost Uh, it wasn't going to increase it as much as they were trying to make people think it would have Folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com We got a lot of cool reactions, uh from people affected by the amazon headquarters story sarah Yeah, we really did and we're going to read a few of them now and kind of kind of kind of pick them apart and And see what we agree with arthur from earlington, virginia notes that amazon's current operations in the area Which as me noted on the show yesterday are are already pretty vast are in ashburn Arthur says that's well outside the beltway and the people working and living there are not going to want to commute into earlington amazon's inside the beltway operations are quote mainly tied to the government and these are not really hq functions So arthur doesn't think that this counts as an expansion for amazon really he and uh, Pete also pointed out something that a lot of coverage didn't pass on Which is that virginia tech will be opening a technology campus adjacent to amazon So okay, these are these are good on the ground reports from someone actually in virginia. I love this. Thank you arthur Granted I think it's fair to say okay the folks out in ashburn aren't going to be feeding into amazon's current operations But it is still an area that amazon is familiar with and and was negotiating with and i don't think they ever thought They would move the people in but but it's it's a fair point The inside the beltway stuff though I don't know what amazon is going to use this second regional office. It's not even an hq anymore It's a regional office for my suspicion is that it probably will have a lot to do with the government cloud Gov cloud that amazon operates Uh, especially if they get that dod bid thereafter that will probably operate out of there because it's right next to the pentagon Uh, so i'm i'm less inclined to accede To to the inside the beltway not mattering because it's government stuff. I I I think it really does Uh, but yeah, maybe it's unfair to say that that folks being out in the ashburn are Are part of a of an operation that really has any effect on something pretty far away In right on the potomac basically So, I don't know. What do you what do you think of this sarah? Well, uh, you know one of the things that um, I I didn't realize um, and thank you arthur Is pointing out the virginia tech huge college, uh opening a technology campus adjacent to amazon and how the two might you know amazon might funnel in money for research projects, uh, which would make a lot of sense And like you said the region itself is definitely skewed government wise But I think a lot of folks don't realize, you know, even when you hear earlington virginia It's like well, it's adjacent to washington. You see oh, okay Oh, all right. So, you know, you're you're in this you're in this actually huge metropolitan area. That's not Yes, they are they are separate from each other, but collectively um, it's it's closer to a lot of um Industry than than one might think if they're not familiar with that. Yeah, there's a little silicon valley kind of feel Yeah, you know in virginia aol used to when when I was living in arlington The big aol skyscraper was right there in downtown arlington. You could see it across the Potomac when you're I mean when I was working for aol That's still where the headquarters was. Yeah. Yeah, I never went there, but it's where it was. Not too bad. I think it's gone now That's perhaps true. It's oath now, but no now it's something else Paul in new york continued the amazon feedback noting that real estate developers are happy about this because of the glut of already unoccupied high-end housing in new york was on the verge of causing a recession in the real estate industry While local residents in queens are likewise upset at the prospect of even more gentrification Of the borough and further rises in rent and cost of living economic policies in new york Are always a delicate balance between appeasing those two groups Paul goes on to say that the search by amazon reminded him of searches to fill faculty positions in academia Paul happens to work in the in the sector where they open it wide But they usually know in advance who they actually want for the position That's a great comparison paul and i've been around not even in academia those kinds of situations where they You know who they're going to hire, but they have to go through the motions to keep it open just in case Then they end up hiring if they're going to hire it says you're right That is very similar as far as the on the ground new york report again I love that we've got somebody in arlington somebody in new york Who or at least northern virginia who can comment on this? I was in long island city for a wedding ron richards cut had his his wedding there In queens a year ago a little more than a year ago a year ago in october And that is a very i don't know It i wouldn't want to say it's a hipster area, but it's trying to be There are a lot of lofts in the neighborhood that's yes It's seen a lot of development And if that development isn't paying off then yes, they're absolutely going to want to try to lure amazon in Because apparently some of the other folks in that area have been even downsizing and moving their their businesses out Their corporate businesses out So yeah, this this kind of is ripe for the pickings for amazon the way paul describes it and is going to bring up those gentrification concerns for sure So you've got arthur and paul kind of uh, you know on the ground at the new hq2s Uh, but then there's eric who's a tech worker in columbus ohio who wrote on saying It's hard to overestimate the impact on the tech job market. This would have had in his area Especially given how amazon was saying it would be a headquarters on parwood seattle. So bake Eric says with amazon basically deciding to just expand to two existing offices It feels like a bait and switch that amazon was just using us to get better tax breaks for what it already knew It was going to do I realized columbus never had the best chance But to come away feeling that you never really had a chance was where just being used hurts Yeah, and this is where even though arthur's right about amazon's operations. Maybe really not being related in northern virginia I don't know if that makes eric feel any better When he's like well, so you already had a presence there and now you're you're gonna go there Oh and even if you don't consider the presences that they had there new york and washington dc areas Uh pretty obvious selections, and if you're columbus thinking like hey, maybe we have a chance this would really help us We've got a university. Uh, we've got skilled workers. You know, this would really propel What is a thriving city to thrive even more and and and get us, you know in the game a little more I imagine kansas city A few other places feel the same way Well, and again the promise of 50 000 jobs and that was somewhat vague But that was that was the number that got thrown out when when amazon said that it was, you know looking for its its new headquarters Um, again, and and as eric describes it would have made a big difference in something like columbus. Ohio It would have made a big difference in a lot of places. Uh, it would have made big difference anywhere But there are certain regions where you know, you the the the job market would have Transformed the city Had a big impact for sure. Yeah, exactly. So so yeah, it just goes to show you all you know All the stuff and and I think that all the feedback we got on this Is is really eye-opening and and and super appreciated To remember how how things are different depending on where you live But I also think it really illustrates how strong amazon is to you know be crushing dreams and And you know having people say well, hold on a second, you know, you weren't even really being serious about the fact that you were Going to come to our city And and it's you know, it's the power of amazon I can't think of that many other companies that that would have such a big impact Yeah, I love first of all that that we got Uh, not just emails about this we and we we got lots of emails with opinions But but emails from people who are there like i'm in northern virginia. I live here. I'm in new york I live here. I'm in columbus. I'm in one of the cities that didn't get it and here's my opinion Uh, it's better than just hearing our opinions. We get to flesh it out a little with some perspectives from people on the ground So thank you for that. Uh, I don't fault amazon for picking these cities Picking these cities make sense. You are near cornell in new york, uh as as I think uh in another part Of his email, uh paul mentioned, uh, and as arthur mentioned, you're you're right there uh next to the university in virginia So, you know, uh, he and pete both pointed out virginia tech is even expanding its campus there That was one of the important things. Uh, you've you've got uh, some, you know, some some infrastructure benefits To new york and and arlington and and I think that government contract business that amazon is trying to build Is absolutely why they picked that those all make sense. I don't think that amazon shouldn't have picked these I don't love the fact That they went around using other cities as bargaining chips On the one hand, maybe it's super smart, right? They got a better deal than they would have otherwise But you also have a company in amazon that doesn't get a lot of the negative feelings that a google or a facebook get these days And I feel like they may have burned a little bit of that credit. 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Yeah, like a week ago So it took a couple days, but it was like your order was delivered on the 12th, and I'm like I think we're at the 14th. I don't think I got them Oh, and you haven't got them unless one of my neighbors is enjoying some linen sheets in which case well played Particularly well rested lately Uh, I'll go knock it on the door You look very well rested. Give me my sheets back Uh, I'm sorry roger. What were you saying? I said mozilla's naughty a nice list Mozilla's naughty a nice list is is our title Uh, is it too early for christmas? Stop or are we are we in there? Are we are we in the dark? Google that spider-man turn out that was that spider-man stage broad broadway musical What? I knew it was a spider-man at all, but yeah, we were like turn out the turn off the dark or something ahead like You know, I didn't realize that was part of that musical Well, that was the name of the the thing it was like spider-man It's too much. It's too much. It's what about google turns off the dark for the photo That's not bad. Yeah, okay I'll do that yourself a deal Chang You win this one ching Yeah, because there were some good amazon headquarter titles in their suggestions But we did that yesterday as the title so I figure Given something else a little love is probably a good idea Blinded by the night Blinded by the night, that's a good one Actually, that's even better. All right. We'll use that That's actually really good Wrapped up like a Deuce like a deuce No, I was trying to think of something deuce Right, yeah Wrapped up like one of the pixel threes Yeah, if it was just for the pixel two that would make perfect I think it's revved up. Isn't it in the original song revved up like a deuce and then Revved up like sundar pitch. I In the night I mean like that's such a that's such a colloquialism and no one will get anymore What what is what like revved up like a deuce? Oh, I don't think anyone got it even then It's just a it's just a hot rod. That's all it's yeah, but I mean the whole joke was like I wonder if he purposely made it that way Well, I'm like I'm just going to play with people's heads because well, it certainly sounded like the joke version Which is why it was Most people did not know what a deuce Referring to a sports car was that was a Hot rod I mean, is it the same thing as like the beach boys hot rod Yeah, all right So sure it's like, okay. I know it's a car, but I don't really Revved up like a deuce doesn't mean anything to me. I would think it would be like Some some sort of like playing cards Thing Yeah I was used to hearing the word deuce, but I don't even think people call it to a deuce anymore. Do they Do if you're working at a restaurant you call a two top deuce a deuce And a two top means it's a table That's two people For top did they do that 10 years ago? Yeah, roger. When's the last time you were yeah, okay? Maybe 10 12 years ago, but Those things have to continue tom like, you know, like you you say like 86 the soup that means it's out. You're done The most So I know we like to we we like to go down these rabbit holes of things that here's one that I thought about That I thought would be a great gdi topic and that's the idea of Okay, let's say it's so it's 204 p.m. Right now at 2 15 I might say to my mother What time is it? a quarter past uh-huh Or half past or Right and that to me is like that's something that people Generations older than me have always done and I know what they mean I know what time she means when she says that but to me I would say 215 230 245 like I never say quarter to three Or half past I hate I hate that turn like quarter. Just say what time it is. Why do you have to use fractions? Like I I I feel like I I never go like ooh, let me calculate what she means. I know it, but I don't say it It's almost like you you hear one language and you answer back in another like I know what I I would rather say, you know, it's Half past. I hate it's just like I think back when people still called a two top of deuce They had clocks on the wall with hands They also called pies So you think in terms of think in terms of slicing your few slices flow there No, it does come from the clocks having hands because it actually is easier to look at a clock with hands and go Oh, it's a quarter two Yeah It's a digital generation like us who started having digital clocks that were like 245 That's what it says. Why would I change that to quarter two when it says 245? Yeah, which is and again, it's like I don't I mean, I don't know. There might be I don't understand what a quarter two anything means, but I think for the most part it all means the same thing It's just a generation It's kind of hard because time I learned I learned that was the thing we had to learn in kindergarten is how to read a clock and at a lot of clock And it's like, why don't you just say like 15 till like 15 minutes still do they have to say a quarter Yeah, they taught us that too because that's the way it worked and they wanted to teach you all the The ways people said it. So when someone said that you knew what they meant Listen, you see this cock of the wall right there's digital read what it says Well, they what you know, they were saying is like look nothing will ever change in the world People will always say quarter two. So we need to teach you that Keep your wilford brimley affirmisms to yourself. I don't need them Wow Is he still alive? No, okay. I don't think he's around anymore as I asked the question But before we That is one of those things we really even in good day internet ought to get right Okay, okay.  His spouse died. That's what I was thinking. Okay. All right. Okay. That's very sad But he brought in a lot of money for quaker oats and diabetes research Diabetes, so he's still alive. See wilford. He's only 80 40 years young I would have thought he would have been older. I mean remember cocoon wasn't he 84 in that movie? Isn't it kind of weird when you see someone playing 84 right, well, it's kind of like In star wars the emperor Was a british actor and they gave him prosthetics in order to make him appear old and You know very mutilated by the the dark the dark side of the force But he was the correct age when he did the prequels to to kind of go on that path I'll just find it weird People age into their acting jobs used to be I don't know if either of you ever watched it It was a um, it was a I don't know a prime time like family drama called our house Oh, yeah And I mean he was he played the grandfather. Yeah, he was already old. Yeah mid-80s. I mean it was he wasn't like I know like I remember when mad max came out and tina turner wasn't it people were still making jokes that you know tina turner was like You know the the the music your kids would listen to made by your grandmother because she was already at that stage where she was You know a grandmother age, but she's like She's moved beyond that now. She's a great grandmother age, but she's still Still kind of considered to be old Well But basically they've been in the old category for 40 years, right, right? It's just like He's not as old as he used to or old is not as young as he used old as older than he used to be I have the beholder or something like that. Yeah, I have to be older Our house, you know what I realized we were talking about the quarter till thing to our house I will never say I will never say quarter till But I don't think I ever say that even though I learned how to say it in and grew up with it around I will say ten till though in that way Because for me quarter is something like I don't know if people know a quarter. Well, would you say 15 till? Well Maybe I it just sounds weird. Yeah, but I will if I look at it again if I'm looking at a mechanical clock And I see that it's 10 minutes still I'll say oh, it's 10 till three Well, I won't what did you do in 350? What did you do in radio because oftentimes when I like some DJs? It's like 15 past the hour Yeah, uh 20 minutes past the hour maybe past the hour till 30 But then you you I'm trying to remember I think we basically said, you know, uh, you know, 345 10 we might say have 10 to two though. Maybe that's where I got maybe that's where I learned it Pull out a book or a hand like a guide book that I think you know the uh I don't know. I mean, I don't know who thinks of these things besides me, but I'm like, huh Yeah, that seems to be a dying art That you know thinking of it as you know a piece of the pie. Yeah and clocks with with with hands I do remember when I've got my first alarm clock. It was pink. It's actually still in my mother's house I know it's crazy. I don't know why she kept it. But anyway, um, but I remember um Being like, whoa, it's so weird. It's like my first non Hand clock It was a clock radio. So it was cool in other ways too, but but yeah It was like it was just these like neon green digital where you're like, wow, that's just that's the whole thing You just look at it. Yeah Looks like it was for the future And I actually remember like like context that you had to get used to not having with my clock radio. I actually remember Uh, thinking like we don't need to say quarter two ten two To say 345 it's right there. I remember thinking that like I like this anymore in the chat room Thing is like it's the same thing. So neither one is wrong in any way It means the exact same thing And if we're all getting in what you're saying then it doesn't really matter. But why This is where my training in semiotics finally pays off So in the chat room Tonda Gosa Said it's pac-man to six So you just imagine the pac-man shape in your clock. I was about to explain my tree. You robbed me of my moment Sorry, Tom. I was going finally gonna have a part of my college education be worthwhile. Don't belly wipe me, Tom What do you pause Tom? I wasn't sure if there's any more pregnant pause. Could you not tell? Oh That pause was like eight months Why is it a pregnant pause? Why is it just not an extended thought? That's another good question. Why do they call it that? And if you if the thought is in uh, uh, the pause is pregnant because Pregnant is a word that didn't always just apply to having a baby What it meant, uh, filled with potential. Oh roughly My mind is pregnant with new ideas. Yeah My text is pregnant with a better But we've taken using it almost exclusively to mean birth Yeah So now these old usages like pregnant pause sound really weird So wait, so it's filled with new thoughts. It can't be just like fill So if you had a pregnant pie, you can be just like different fillings of the day So filled with potential meaning like yeah, you pause and you're thinking of the thing and the pause is that much longer meaning Yeah Well, so a semiotics Oh, I Really? Okay. I can I can go back there. I well, it's it's okay. I mean Do I have my copy of roland barth's mythologies nearby? I think it may be over there Um, no semiotics actually this might actually be interesting. Who knows? Um semiotics the theory says that every Transference of meaning has three states There's the sign the signifier and the signified the sign is what The sig let's see. Let me see if I get this right. The first part is what I intend to say With the meaning I intend to impart the second part Is the symbolism I use to send it so the word or the sign, you know, the sign or the Or the art or whatever and then the signified the third part is the meaning you take from it and those When communication is working properly, they all are pretty much in sync But they don't have to be so what what I signify May not be properly Uh translated by the sign so you may get something different out of what I'm trying to send Then I send Got it And now you can get a master's in communications Yeah, I I can see why you felt it Oh, I got another one. I don't remember how it related to what we're talking about either. Well, it's just I don't know We're just talking about funny things. Um, no, okay. Here's one thinking about the clock as a Circle right with 12 numbers and the hands is when you know if rogers next to me and I say like, oh my gosh Look at that guy four o'clock four o'clock Like does roger know what I mean to look this way because of the direction. Yeah be Because I've done that with people and like I've had them be like what what time and I'm like, no, no, no, I think I would like look behind you The problem with that I find is people give it relative to their position So if you said four o'clock, but I was facing you I would look to my Well, but that's how I I think that that's what I do if I'm telling you to go to four o'clock. It's your four o'clock not mine It's your four o'clock based on the fact that you're facing 12 Yes, so you go this way I think people would still know it because you know, he's on your six I mean, that's where you know, you know your six o'clock is trust me lots of people don't know what that means You might even be able to say like 180 degrees and that would make more sense than six o'clock Even though it's actually the same thing. Yeah means turn in the opposite direction We're gonna actually turn in the opposite direction for video and end right now. Thank you for watching Uh, audio folks stick around. We'll turn right back to you momentarily