All right, so we'll call the meeting to order 601. I don't see Jean on yet, but Pops on he pops on we'll get Yep Yes We are going to add the Request a cater permit I'd like to add it after public comment if Okay, and The other one is the Lister air it was zero when I wrote the agenda, but then Mo and Judy spoke to their state Person that does can't think of their district advisor and we need to add it's gonna be updated to add $6,000 to the grand list for Verizon. So that's those are my changes Okay, so the zero turns into 6000. Yep To the good based on for us Verizon increase. Yep. Okay.  Yes All right, so we'll open up to public comment So if there's anything that's not on the agenda this evening that anybody wants to bring up now is the time There is nobody in person. So anybody that's on the zoom end of things Sure, you're still public Just I haven't stopped to see the guys, but I think the boys when they left the Christian Hill job with the excavator WB. Yeah, they turned a corner a little tight and that stop sign is Oh No kidding. All right, I don't know they did it, but there's tracks where somebody went out Through there and the sign is All I'm working in a jail. Oops. Thank you I think it just means you don't have to stop anymore Anything else up there. Oh All right Moving on so we'll go to our Gender item that we just added which is the cater Request permit for the town hall maybe Therese if you want to take us through that one So Shelby is online as our Jesse or as is Jesse because Jesse Open there's Jean Jean just joined us And there's Owen because obviously there babes is the one to want to cater so We have what an employee on vacation So I got the request to cater permit on Friday from Pam And then I reached out to Jesse and said that the town hall policy clearly states There's no alcohol and then reached out to Shelby and she called and I included her email in the packet of What unfolded and her thoughts on If the select board was willing to approve the permit that there were you know could place conditions on it so It seems like there was a miscommunication between Shelby and employee that an employee told her that she could as long as she had a Bartending service was insured etc. They could have alcohol, but I was just gonna ask you Shelby Did did you get your application offline or did someone email it to you directly or how did you get the application to complete? I saw that you'd completed it and send in your chair. Yeah I Can't remember if Kelly emailed it to me or if she just directed me to the website I'm not as an I didn't see where she had sent it to you. Okay, so yeah, she we talked on the phone That was our initial connection and talked through the event and all of the details and what we were envisioning and Because we had posted an event at the town hall years ago and it had a cash bar at that event I Had Assumed that we would be in Okay shape to do that again and had clarified that with her too So I think but to answer your question. I I must have just printed it off the website and then sent that along with the check Yeah, and then when we spoke you looked at the website and said that you could see that it stated there was no alcohol. So yes You know So anyways, so that is true That is what the policy says what the website says It's what the second page of the application says and all that if you print out the whole three pages are on the website but I did include in the packet as I said I would your email so you explain what the event is what came to fruition as well as the Invitation that you sent out to the public or to you not in the public but to your members I guess so How many people did you say you were gonna have? We don't have a precise number yet. We're planning for about 75 That that tends to be the number that that we draw for this event annually somewhere in that neighborhood It could be it could be 60. It could be more like 90 But we'll have a better sense of that in the days before the event. We are asking folks to RSVP Yeah, and I did look in the first page of the application that is on the website So you can see some information on the website, but the application itself that you return Does not say on it. No alcohol I mean it says it you know on the website and it says it on the second page You know because it shows there's the permit and then it's a whole three page document when you click on it That comes up and the first page is the application itself Which does not say you can't about call but the second page goes through the requirements and rules It states there and then the third page talks about cleaning and stuff, but if you only see the first page And you had an employee telling you that you could do it You know, well, and I think what's tricky in this is that they've In a way there's already a precedent of they've had a cash bar in 2015 So, you know, it's understandable that it even more so adds to the confusion It does and I think that you had this my I think that the same policy was in place It just wasn't enforced is what I think so it's So anyways, it's enough it's it's a difficult situation To put that in there so that won't happen again or Maybe won't happen again. Yes, absolutely. I think that we could we should definitely change if we're going to do this We should do it I agree. Yeah But I just keep going back on you know when we May we're made aware of alcohol use On town property, which is probably want to say about three years ago Maybe somewhere around there because because I think Owen and Jesse Remember when we were looking at doing a catering permit for the Banshell for the Banshell and we went through this process and at that point because we had acknowledged that there were Some things in the past that weren't following policy and we had put a stop to alcohol on town related permitting property And then we had talked in regards to the Banshell Peace and I think we ended up giving you Approval for that but that was as long as you used the white church property Was that right and then I know you guys didn't end up doing it, but Yeah, does that sound about right? That sounds like what I remember. So I guess the only thing I just fear is this I know in the past we allowed it We as a town But I know we kind of corrected that policy like a couple years ago to say that That shouldn't be the practice, right? um And I guess I see both sides of this one. So you get one on one hand you have On our end is you know, it should be pretty clean cut that there's no alcohol allowed it on any town property But on the second end I see where there's There are some errors and emissions on our application process where someone may not be 100 aware of Of the policy and could theoretically sign off on the applicant send it in without knowing all the rules so I don't know what's the rest of the board feel I do have paul and Jean or remote. Yeah, I'm thinking along the same lines chris I mean if you look at the website And you go to the town hall and you look at the rental agreement and whatnot It's you know, it states on there that there's no alcohol allowed and and it's unfortunate that That information didn't get relayed along, you know properly in this particular case um, because we did have that situation at the band shell back a couple years ago when jesse, you know and wanted to um Put put up some sales there and so we went through this whole thing. So it's unfortunate that it that it Uh happened this way that There was some confusion about whether or not You could have the alcohol in town property I think we really need to button down the application process to make sure that it's pretty clearly stated Uh, fortunately in this case, you know, it's been publicized There's a certain way and this is a good group that we we want to promote having groups like this You know take advantage of the town hall and utilize it for their gatherings and whatnot So I again, I you know, I see both sides of the story also and and maybe we could second set some conditions if that would Make anybody happy Uh, it seems like they're willing to do that and uh, and let's move along and and fix the application process so the next time Um, this we won't have this confusion It is the application form itself Is that a generic that's provided by somebody else or is that our own? That form It's our form. It's on the website the application Is the first page the second page is the conditions and the third plate pages like the cleaning rules and requirements So when you print it it prints all three pages out Or or you could just print one page the first page But it's ours so if If we were to clean anything up, but we might want to see If we can get on or near the signature Uh, something about alcohol. I mean, I don't know How feasible that is but that's um I came into the conversation later from what i'm hearing We're in a difficult spot and I don't want to alienate anybody either. Also don't want to alienate jesse, you know Well, I mean again, I mean that the select board has the power through the policy to to make amendments to our policies or events anytime But then we do set a precedence every time we do that so um I I guess I would be okay with allowing it based upon Us cleaning up our application process um That's right Because I guess there are some errors and emissions there that you know are faulty on our end I think going forward maybe it'd be best If we had a signature That's required on each page of our application so that It's a good idea You know, yeah, that's what gene was for the rules would have to be a signature for the Rental there would have to be a signature or the cleaning there'd be a signature Yeah, I think it's good. It's good if we if it's good if we remove remove the human You know potential for for confusion there And just make sure that the that the form is properly done So I'm in favor of moving forward with the uh with the application Did you want any cop? Are you making a motion motion like you're proving it or If so with any conditions or no, no, we haven't got that far yet Okay, I wasn't sure you just said I was like did he just say approved I'm trying to participate and take the minutes But I think that that's a great point that you could put a signature on each line I think that's a great idea I think details aside, I would agree that You know, we were maybe not the clearest we could be and that's a little bit on us and shouldn't be faulted to rural vermont For missing it on that one and so yeah coming up with an an alternate for this event and then also cleaning up our Policy and making it a bit clearer is you know Our next job. That's right And I would assume again, we don't have a policy for allowing Of alcohol on premises technically So I would assume in this case that we probably would want to put some conditions to this wouldn't we like Obviously the alcohol can't be taken off site. You have to stay Inside the building, you know I don't know what else But Sort of stated like, you know limiting the options to beer wine cider So no hard alcohol and then ending service 30 minutes prior to the end of the event Which you know, if they're proposing this as their idea like I I would feel comfortable with that if they're comfortable with it It's a good. It's a good way to put some parameters on it And like you said add add the language of no alcohol off site, you know All the all the standard legal pieces that Need to be with that as well Jesse can address that in all in any ways that can you talk about that Jesse? I think with your permit Do you have to have a specific radius or can you remind us of your rules? Yeah Yeah, the the state laws is pretty clear about off site events. It has to be a contained serving area. So we'd be Very clear with people that they'd have to stay in the building So that everybody has to be of drinking age and What else there's there's proper restrooms in the building and It's within the legal serving hours of the state And it's also our duty just in general as bartenders and To make sure that someone isn't over served or seems, you know intoxicated and we're also insured for this event as well That was a Add was insurance Do you have off-site catering insurance that covers our liquor liability? Yep Thank you So I guess just need a motion from the board Specifically setting the beer wine cider no hard alcohol Well, that's I'm asking I'm asking that so I can put it in a motion. I say yes All right move to approve the permit for babes bar catering event With the stipulations of beer wine and cider and no hard alcohol with stopping service 30 minutes prior to the end of the event Second Hi Hi Okay Well, thank you shelby and jesse and oan for attending and And um, who apologize for the confusion. I really appreciate you guys taking your time to to come tonight So thank you and I hope you have a great event shelby Thank you And thank you all so much for your thoughtful deliberation here and your support really appreciate it and Are excited to return to the beffel town hall to beautiful space and Yeah, so thanks again. Thank you jesse and oan And enjoy the rest of your meeting. I'm going to sign off Thank you. Thank you shelby All right Changes to the permit before moving on I think that we should just you should see it first of all if you haven't seen it And um, I think that you could be as clear as adding a signature line to each page wouldn't do it Frankly because it does say on the website as soon as you click on what the rules are Um before you even look at the application the rules are there and then once you click on it I think that a signature line on each page would be great But we'll put it in your next packet just so you guys can eyeball it and if you have any suggestions So it would be good, but I definitely like adding the signature line It's good Okay, and then the next Item it was going to be our continuing discussion in regards to the reclassification of Gilead road and Right now we were talking Are waiting for some information to come back from on the legal side of things. So We had agreed that Well since last meeting Theresa myself and just agreed that right now that we would Discontinue the discussion into a future meeting date As depending on the information and flowing back and forth will depend on when we set the next date But it could be the next meeting or it could be the meeting after that or yeah We're just waiting for the two lawyers to talk to each other to see what's going on And then we'll go from there We may have to revisit the right road issue as well That you voted on but our attorney said that wasn't a big deal but for right now it just Since more and more keeps coming out. It's just it's it's just a never-ending thing So we'll wait if we have more information then we could make an intelligent decision based on What everybody wants and then we also found out that the seasonality of the issue isn't Going to prevent this from moving forward So if it's winter or not, we would just have to make sure that the class three portion was plowed Which is no big deal because i've asked andrew to plow just like his father did and then the town of course plows our Class three section of right and gillian we don't have to plow because we never because we didn't before so But he said you could still do in the winter So we'll just wait Excuse me No, exactly No, just the right road section because we have to because it's class three We're not putting our trucks on that road. No, no, no, no, we don't have to plow gillian Just that section of right that goes past the farm up towards the sugar house But rick did it last year and andrew's willing to do it this year Move should table this discussion to a future date Second okay all in favor All right all right And then I believe we had discussed it briefly last time in regards to our representation to the white river valley ambulance board and therese was going to Reach out to the individual that was our current representation to make sure that the son of a very nice letter that the move was Was communicated and then I believe we even had david's name was brought up last time about being the Person that would fill in or be the alternate for that board. So he has attended meetings in a non-voting capacity and the current Representative wanted david to fill his seat. So Seems like it was a so we kind of went through the formal process here over the last two weeks to make sure that both parties were communicated with so now this will just be more the formal motion to to remove our current Board member and replace that with the new one. So right so there'd be have to be two motions one to remove And one two and I do have a copy of the bylaws from more of us anybody had any questions I did bring those and quoted them from the motions quoted from the war of bylaws I'll make a motion that uh, we Remove neil with much. Thanks for his use of service to the town Um Yep Okay, all in favor Hi, okay, and then we just need a motion for the appointment So moved point dave alvigetti to the uh, white river valley represented from bethle Okay, all in favor I And we have listeners errors and emissions Um And as chris was saying right before That that had been amended of the grand list zeroing out to be actually a $6,000 increase Yep. It was surplus. Yes, like Okay, good. Yep. So vera its owner is ryan verizon wireless and We they were tax exempt, but they removed their tax exemption So um on a portion of their equipment buildings So it's increased the grand list by $6,000 And then we had two Veterans exemption one was removed because they did not file the veterans exemption paperwork by may 1st 2022 with the state of ramond And then was one was added. Um, yep. So those kind they were just Washed one was up one was down made it a zero change, but then verizon wireless. Okay. Um made the $6,000 So we just need a motion to approve the Lister's errors and emissions Yep Second, okay second by dave moved by lindley all in favor all right And they just need to sign All of us are just me well three of you three. Okay Yeah, exactly. Oh Just to backtrack a minute. Do we have a letter from dave saying expressing his interest in the I don't remember possession He's he'd been ill, but he has been attending them He has attended the meetings and has had multiple conversations with neil Over the years and he'd said he would do I think I might have an email from him a while ago Because this has been an ongoing process and then most recently he was ill So I didn't want to bother him like he was recuperating, but he did attend the last war of a meeting Okay, couldn't vote as long as he knows Oh, yeah, no He volunteered and he went even went to the meeting. So which was great Are we only getting three quarters of julian? I guess Whoops. No, no, no. See why is this keep saying this for the top basket 10 months? Told you just gotta pay the bill And then the next piece of it was just continue on our budget discussion. So we're just right now How the budget could we lose? No, no, I'm just going Usually that at this part early in the budget discussions, we're just breaking down You know, usually we do anywhere between two and four departments at a time So it's just really at this is a really high level look at the budget more More throwing in our our wants at this point not necessarily just what we need but you know all the wants And then, you know, maybe About a month from now. We'll start taking us A more micro look at the budget and you know and start talking about how how it looks at overall So so don't get alarmed if you're saying well, this is going up. That's 20,000. That's going to 20,000 That's it's just right now. We're kind of throwing all the pieces to the wall on all the wants and And then we will start looking and Find tune it as we go. So so trees tonight had put together Town officials public Parks and places listers stuff and the debt services Last time we went through constable Townal equipment and something else. Yeah, we did town officials town hall And you can see I did update the town officials because I did here um I did hear back from The fire warden so I put that information there as well So I appreciate Under the town officials, especially that we're starting to be a little more Thoughtful about what it really takes to do these jobs And I know that that's going to take us a little bit of time to level that out But teres just having you add things like the the deputy, you know estimated at 40 40 additional hours A year, you know, I think that's It's going to be long term better for the town and you know similar with the things we were dealing with the cemetery commissioner and actually getting him to a reasonable stipend for that job and things like that that it's it's nice to see it actually put into numbers and also be getting into a place where we're working with more realistic Numbers for the volunteers and individuals doing these positions Thank you for putting it in. Yeah. No, I think it's helpful, especially if we are talking about um If we're talking about, you know, what we're gonna You know, long term what it's taking and it makes more sense All these discussions have been these separate little discussions across the year and so to see it all consolidated into one place was really nice to All right, we talked about the health officer and the cemetery commission and the fire warden Yeah, and I think just like some of our old antiquated policies and application fees and things like that that we saw that were just so out of date and you know, some of these stipends have been Whatever if it's been five hundred dollars, it's been five hundred dollars for 20 years, you know And we all know that five hundred dollars now doesn't go nearly as far as it did 20 years ago, right? So Now these numbers may not be exactly You know where they need to be they might be a little less a little more, but we're trying to At least make it more worthy for individuals to want to raise their hand It does take up some of their time and as we as we see so I mean, I guess I'm also hopeful that that might entice some newer younger folks to also be interested in doing those positions If it's actually reasonably compensated. Yeah, right So we did town hall and constable last time Yep, and then did you notice on this next one that there are a bunch of blanks in there And which one parks and places Yeah, you mean down here. Yeah, because we didn't use streetscapes program anymore or trail maintenance anymore but we don't You don't have to pay the lights every year street lights. Oh Um, let's see. I don't what I was just wondering if maybe there was a street lights is filled in 47 59 on the budget. It's not oh weird I didn't know maybe you're Okay, I don't know why because there's a couple of them like I started doing the same thing like, okay Oh, okay. Sorry parks. Oh, yeah, you know what? I don't know why that's so there's a couple of oh I know why because I needed an answer on something first. Sorry I will slow on uptake. I didn't know what you wanted to do about parks and public places if you Should I be budgeting? That was one of my questions 30 hours a week I was what I have for 24 weeks at 20 bucks an hour Or should we be looking at, you know, like a position like we had before where they worked for tim And they also then they worked for the road crew So I think that's why I stopped here because I wanted I know that's why because I was kind of looking for some direction if my current plan is to put someone in for this summer like seasonal position and then Add a fourth person to the road crew So I just wasn't sure what your feelings were like about that. I know we've had some people who've said, you know, they wish Basically, we had more of a floater like someone who could do building maintenance who could do more You know park maintenance or, you know, help You know sees the cemetery or whatever but So I wasn't really I was looking for some direction on this if I you want me to just do this iteration of the budget with the 30 hour part timer And then just add Add the fourth person to the road crew and let's see what that looks like before we make a determination or It's not like I've had my Doors being knocked down for people to apply to this summer position This is going back to what you've put in your manager's report about exactly that position I kind of stopped there because I Obviously, I was just curious about the rest of the So the the budget that we are Currently in now. Yep We budgeted for how many we budgeted for a seasonal person Well, and well, I mean like total I know we're down a person, right? Well, if we budget like half winter and parks and public places No, in the budget that we're in we only budgeted for Exactly what I put in now, which was a seasonal. I did increase. No, but what I'm saying is And I know we're not going over it tonight. Yeah the public works into things But you were just talking about yeah, do we go to a floor full time? Right now, what do we have budgeted at public works right now? We have three and a half. We have three full time and We had half time and well because of tim's passing now. We have three full time and two seasonal So if we have so we have the currently we have the two full time and Two seasons what we have three full time and yeah, we just happen to be down a person So we have three full time and two seasonal right now in the budget And then when you were talking that you might go to full full times Yeah, I go to no seasonals Well, we still if this person is not full time, then we still would need a seasonal to cover Richard's route So I think So going from three full time and two seasonals. Yeah, the only reason we do Yeah one seasonal gotcha. So you so then there's a half more Right because we need I got this right because we've got We would have quite a bit more because you have a half half plus than all the benefits because when we had three people We still needed One seasonal and then Richard did his route But with Richard not doing a route anymore that kicked me into needing two seasonals because Richard was full time He did half the year water, you know half and half so with Richard taking over as the Senior operator as chief operator that position went so I hired a seasonal for the summer which worked out well um, but we didn't have a lot of applicants so it's I'm I also struggled because I don't want to have to pay Somebody who has a cdl the cdl rate to molons in the summer, which is what we have done in the past But the picking, you know, it's not like young, you know, we didn't have a lot of young people that wanted a summer job Coming to apply, you know, we were lucky we got Adam and he ended up being great and then he Bettered himself by taking a full-time job Um, so if we left so if we left the parks and public places alone for now, that's what I'm thinking Then when we get the pw Yep Budget you would probably have to add a half plus benes right out of four I'd add a fourth position. No, but I'm saying you already said in the pw that you have Three full time and two half time right So I don't make a fourth person with benes plus we'd have a seasonal Because we still need to cover Richard's route. We still need to cover as Richard's route I lost me I have this So we have We have Morgan AJ and we had hazen and we still used Richard and we still used paul feeney The meeting ended That they're trying to use But no, I know but you're right two people is like two people Yeah, I'm not getting anywhere near stuff like I because I complain about that hole upon my hill Yeah, my truck is as big as any truck there is out there If I drive into that we're going to need a big record. Yeah, that's how deep that hole is Exactly and they'll out in the road two feet now. Yeah, and I have let them know and they'll be they'll be two of them on Tomorrow so I'd say we're back to full strength. We have to but yeah, so I think we just put the iteration of the budget together and leave and Leave this one as a seasonal the park smowing And then put in a fourth full-time person and then we're still going to have to have a seasonal to cover Richard's route That's not a cdl job, nope, you don't have to have a cdl. You just have to have had the physical that that Lawn mower guy. Well, that's why I'm saying I don't know if I should make this and street Cleaning salting right the difference. So that was my question is with the park's budget If I make this person full-time then part of their year is working for the town doing maintenance And mowing and you know helping out Richard occasionally and then flushing hydrants, etc. Then the rest of the money Then they would be the seasonal person and you're right They would not need to have they don't have to have a cdl because of the weight of the truck They just need to have a physical and we have two trucks that don't need a cdl right but the issue is if one of the other guys got sick or Injured it'd be nice if this person had a cdl But do you want to pay them cdl rates to mow lawns? If one of them is down we can survive right I'm sorry if you don't if you want to leave your house at 505 and you can't get out to 515. I'm sorry. Yeah, but tough. Yeah, go back to new york So it sounds like we'll just keep parks Keep this one see park some places alone as a seasonal. Okay, and then we'll make the adjustments to the question Yeah I'm I'm really I'm confused about staffing What we budgeted for this year In terms of positions Versus what we are talking about for next year We had with tim's death Are we short a position Or not um From what we budgeted not from what we're spending All Yes, I'm making myself clear Yes, or expressing my confusion, which is confusion Yes, we are short a person because once tim passed away Richard went to run the system So richard had worked part of the year for the road crew and part of the year for water sewer and mowing So tim's death did leave A vacancy, you know for us to be understaffed and then hazen left We had and now we have an opening on the road crew. But yes, tim's death did create a vacancy That we have not overall Bud wise we're not talking about a staffing increase at that In this conversation So if I if I remember right and let me maybe I'll help you out so Right now we're down From budget one and a half positions Okay And what tress is saying the net The net to the budget that she's looking at right now is that we would increase another half position But that would become a full-time position. So we take essentially two halves or one We're gonna take one half that we're not using now Add another half and then we'll have to add the benefits into it right Right Yeah, well, yes, if we make this person full if we make the summer person full time So, um, otherwise we leave this one at this point regardless of you know, what yeah, what pocket we put the budget and we're looking at adding a We're looking at a person to go to the road crew. So there's four full-time benefitful and But it's two seasonals basically or and maybe a Over what we currently have we're looking at adding a net half position, but it'll have to carry benefits I believe maybe I have to think about it because if I want to if we Have three fulls two halves We have three fulls Two halves three halves basically because the kid two halves in the parks place Yeah, so if you do the park one the same you still have three three fulls and two halves Yeah, and you were saying that you want to go from three fulls and two halves to four fulls and one half Yeah, so the net is We just have but you're gonna have to increase benefits because that person could take benefits Yeah, half of a salary plus. Yeah, because we'll have to Yeah, yeah, it also at least from this discussion feels very Reasonable in terms of the workload and what what actually has to happen You know, I think we sort of had acknowledged that we were we were slimmed back in I remember in previous budget discussions that the two seasonal was like we can do this for a little bit But it's not a good long-term plan. Yeah that our better bet would be training somebody and having a full time Then we have that year-round. Yeah Flexible person and maybe it become one of those positions is the floater that doesn't need the cdl can do Mowing can you know can help in the cemeteries can do all those Because I know the road wants to go to four people for sure, which Makes sense. So and I guess We're not talking about I could ask so we're looking at potential situation but not Dealing with the actual situation, which is we have nobody really knocking down the door To fill these spots, but we're just looking from a budgetary position What we'd like to see in there as far as money is being available To staff these positions Exactly, right? Yeah, right at this point. We're not talking about reality. We're talking about what we'd like to see Well, you know unless something changes You're right But you can't do it if you don't have the budget for That's correct Well, I think we'll have to maybe have a and I know we're not doing public works tonight, but the other I think following what paul was saying Is why aren't people wanting to take this position now? There could be a lot of reasons one of it could be How are we structured in the market based upon our competition? So It might be an opportunity to see we can need to talk about salary or total compensation But how is our total compensation? Compare with whatever hurt for it actually would stock or somebody that's good right now It's very no no i'm just saying i'll tell you because they just happen to do on muni nap on the whole serve let's serve for v-trans Somebody asked and every you know most every town went in said What they had for openings and what their wages were and I it was interesting because the easier question would have been Who doesn't have an opening And it's it's crazy how many people have openings that have not they have no applications and so for us We're in the same boat as a lot of people and I have approached You know people that we've even heard of might be interested and i'm like chasing them down and um But so I felt that I mean our wages seem to be right You know in the As any yep, I agree with that. So it's just tough is what now is you're looking at There just aren't people who are interested in getting their cdl's unfortunate that The the younger people True need more money than they nearly so they don't Understand total compensation true. Well, they don't care about total compensation. Yeah, right? Exactly, you're right and we've had this discussion with people before and But but it does look like with the Recession that we're in and and all you all you do is pick up the paper go online and read an article and all the You know for gm.  So I think you're gonna see there One way or another there's gonna be more labor between now and next spring Maybe freed up, you know, so maybe there's some opportunities to pick up some individuals that might not but who knows I mean, it's hard because the good thing is even if we have space's budget like I went to aj and morgan and said, okay Here's how much we were spending per week On haze and salaries benny's but so if we need to have Culverts done or somebody to do this that or the other then let me know and or get it done hire it out and Derek Aldrigat he happened to be doing some work on private property somewhere and Morgan ran into him and said hey while you're they there this road needs x y and z And so he did it for me. He's like, oh sure. I'll do it. I'm right here Didn't have to mobilize and I have to do this for that So even if we have the money budgeted next year if we don't have the staff We will have at least the money to pay. Well, that might be the thing is you may have to start looking at and saying I got x amount of money that I could maybe go And that's hire out part time to get some of that work done Exactly, and that's kind of way to road or do or that's what we went I went to morgan and haze and or morgan and aj and said let's so much have per week to spend Higher contractor if you need culverts, whatever, let's just do it. Um I'm going out pothole patch more than about the end of the month. So we'll see if you have any budget left after that Good, that's good. I'm happy that they took you up on it and um aj And morgan wanted your number and i'm like, listen I said at least think about chris. He actually knows what he's doing. He understands payment how it works You couldn't get a better someone to help you. So thank you for doing that, but I'll find you my bill I'm sure you It'll be in comp time I know In in light of the conversation I had something else to throw to the wall. I don't know if it'll stick or not uh, but uh conversations that I've been having and seeing with our energy committee energy committees around the area uh, and the b rock and the uh And so the housing initiative there are a number of folk who are asking for or come up against the lack of staffing capacity to uh Apply have a grant writer to apply for funds uh to deal with I mean, it's a number one request that twork just uh came up with to do things like energy planning coordination uh respond to climate respond to housing initiatives in terms of the development person uh to uh continue to do the work that tress has been doing with regard to Zoning and planning that all of those kinds of issues require the kind of expertise these days uh, that we said we didn't have when we were trying to run a dump uh, and So I just want to throw to the wall whether there is any way we could either configure a staff person for ourselves to do multiple of those kinds of positions or uh To be in direct conversation uh with neighboring communities uh to share a position uh to to put a little more meat and to provide for the capacity for our volunteers and staff to address those kinds of issues there are going to be bokeh bucks coming from the uh inflation reduction act federally and from the state regarding uh energy and climate and other kinds of development stuff I'm trying to argue that we need to be positioned to handle that the conversation has also come up uh with the better connections grant and its implementation So I'm just I'm I'm trying to think outside the boundaries of our current capacity financially but also But how do we meet our current staffing? Which we've been talking about and also meet The staffing that we may need uh Like it or not, you know, if we are to take advantage of any of these opportunities and or unfunded mandates as they begin to come down on us I'm just gonna I'll add a full-time person into the municipal office budget And see what it looks like. I mean, it's just going to be the first run of the budget so It we can add, you know a full-time staff person We already had ten thousand dollars in there from last year in the existing budget. Excuse me not last year the existing budget So why don't we just put a full-time person in there and see what it looks like with the whole budget? I mean, and it's also You could always take it to the to the town as a as a As a special addition to the budget rather than Anyway, I I just Something that's right on the wall so that we really need to think about I think it's true I think capacity is a big deal and we plan on having that Conversation with better connections and you're right and I know two rivers Put out a great survey that I responded to and a bunch of people did and they're thinking about doing Basically for higher services, which would be great and but it's also hard for them because they only have so much capacity to To oversee x amount of employees. So um, but I'm just gonna put a full-time person there. Let's just see what it looks like gene Thank you. You're welcome The only pushback that I would have on that is Obviously looking at a adding a full-time person to the municipal office is I would say roughly When you figure in the total package is probably 70 70 000 dollars easy maybe more That's for maybe salary, but that's not counting. I'd be talking 150 Right, and I I don't see where that's where that's ever gonna be reasonable though By the time we had all the benefits and and so on Offensive expenses, etc.  Because she might jump ship on me And The gene was saying earlier though is that there are there's potential of towns sharing a position like that So then it it could drop our cost to something that does feel more reasonable right 150 does not Feel easily squished into our budget It also could be that there's grant money out there to pay for Partion of a of a of an employee or something. So it's all it's hard right now because You know we budget 18 months out or we don't have a crystal ball We haven't seen you know for sure the inflation reduction act So sometimes you're just waiting for all this stuff to sugar out and gene's right You want to be in a good place to jump on it? But at the same time it's difficult because you don't exactly know what you're going to get But um, but I don't let's just put it in there and see what the budget looks like and Would it be more reasonable to do something much like we do with we're we've been doing with like our mowing and different Contracted we're just even having like a contracted help Category so it's not a not a full employee, but a contracted person we do now We have $10,000 in there right and then if two rivers comes up Hey, we're gonna we're gonna house this employee, but we'll subcontract them out to different towns for those things Then we're ready 18 months down the road with okay. We've got a budget for that Right exactly because we did do 10,000 of contracted labor So it's a good idea and I know two rivers is working on what we're thinking about everybody's kind of Realizing the same thing which is capacity and trying to figure out how to get there But we can um, you know, we could look at a couple of ways. So I'm happy to do that I was reading one of the reports. I think it was it was from the the seven town consortium group That stated that they were talking about a staffing position that would be shared by all the Area towns that would come in at about 150 I'm not sure which group that was but I think I read that last week. So it's it's not an unreasonable From their perspective anyway amount, but it would certainly have to be shared by By the seven, you know, at least the seven town consortium and the Yeah, and we've got five towns already that the Energy committees have been talking to about Creating such a thing So Not those conversations need to be spurred on And and nicole mentioned 140 I think in some work research. She'd done With two rivers about and that was in their last minutes So that's Pulling that number from but I Yes, I I am thinking I'm wondering if we can at least I'm throwing it at the wall saying what can we discover And do we have any? Is there any inclination that we move forward with conversations real conversations From royalten to barnard to rochester, maybe even northfield To think about that kind of thing I mean, I think to gene's point like if If we were to put something in the budget to talk about maybe at say You know, I'll make it up that there's 12 regional towns And if we all split it it would be making up $15,000 for each town And I putting that in your budget, but I I I would not be a proponent to put a full-time position in our budget for that. I think that's Not affordable for our town and you're not going to get enough out of that position to make it worth $100,000 a year Right, but a good middle ground at like therese is saying we already have 10 000 So maybe we bump that 10 to 20 and it gives us some wiggle room that We could contract it out or we you know, right prior part part Is it is two rivers or any of those organizations talking about staffing in the person to contract out I think so paul could probably answer that question better because he's on their committee. I've just read Their notes and heard, you know secondhand, but I think two rivers is having that conversation. They were compiling their survey About is that true paul about seeing what it is they want to offer Well, like they currently have one person on staff that seems to have been thrown kind into that that whole area of investigation But it's certainly not feasible to To spread that across the entire two rivers You know coverage area So they've started the initial conversations, but the one fellow that they did hire is instantly overwhelmed with Towns, you know trying to develop their plans and figure out which direction they want to go So the point where he asked the he had to stop And just concentrate on on certain areas Um, so it's not I mean we it's easy to say well, let's throw another 20 in there or throw another 50 in there or throw another You know Does an undesignated amount in there that to for the potential of having this But the bottom line is it's going to inflate the tax rate. It's going to push us into a position Where where we really need to concentrate on the taxpayers what they want to do what direction they want to go So I agree with chris. I mean putting in a full-time position is It's just not feasible at this point with all the other needs that we have And two rivers is working to develop it, but it's going to be a more regional approach It's going to have to be because we're not the only small town that's dealing with type budgets So true and on The gentleman that you're speaking of that was kind of overwhelmed. Was he just doing Energy or what was do you remember what he was working on just static or just overwhelmed in general because they threw a lot at him um, it just overwhelmed in general and trying to set up a A group effort amongst the small amount of towns small group of towns to kind of develop plans and and to set up a You know a form that other towns could follow to try to develop their Schemes about which direction they wanted to go Yeah, and he got tied you know He got tied up with several several bigger towns too and you get into white river and heartford and you know And they not even he wasn't even talking about up north. We're just talking about these local towns It's very quick to get over he got overwhelmed pretty quickly with These you know folks trying to set up these templates I think that we forget how many towns two rivers actually covers Yeah, we have 30. I think 35 different towns Something like that or different areas that participate in just our Two rivers. I mean, and that's only one group Yeah compared to statewide and that that's a That's a strong argument for uh In my view for not doing it regionally with other communities because other communities have different Perspectives or different needs locally perhaps And But there are so many different Positions that are looking for those same kinds of funds That for us to think about a person That we could like they did in community I reported before on with Was it fairly uh, who did zoning planning and development? in a position Where we would combine several positions And Rather and do it our own write our own job description. That's another something to just I would I want to have the conversation more than than solve it And it may be that we simply ask the community if this is something that they want to do Because of What's happening around us But that will definitely have the discussion with the um, you know in the budget I'll make sure that we I put some notes in there and that we throw a number in it and You know, I certainly zoning economic development Think you know planning that they go hand in hand for sure But so I'll just I'll increase the contract number which seems like the consensus We'll see what it looks like and when we you know, and then you'll be able to have a really You know a discussion about it when you you still have time for obviously budget and warning and all that so But I'll make sure it's in there gene Thank you For the budget as far as listeners that was their budget and then I just did the debt service It would seem to me not to get off on Not to leave this subject quite yet if towns were to Have money to contract out for assistance and energy housing whatever grant writing that If more towns would do that It would um Lead the two rivers to hire more people To do that job And I really believe that that's the road to go not us because Royalton, Rochester, Randolph and Bethel each do a die for 150 thousand dollars All four of those guys are gonna know all this stuff And 600 thousand dollars by an awful good person that could handle it. Yeah, I think for two rivers I think that the conversation is there don't that won't they don't you believe that they will find a way to fill the need I think you know, it would be a good conversation to have with peter gregory. I can certainly send him an email I think that for sure them they're probably there's a good chance or a capacity with their office space That you know, maybe them to how many people they want to oversee, you know, but it's a good conversation I'll I'll email peter gregory And he's executive director a very nice man of two rivers and maybe he'll even Come in and talk to us Peter is involved on the state level too. He's addressing the legislature to try to free up funding From from that level also He's his big focus is with the working with the legislature trying to free up some funds for some of the local towns and be able to do some of this Yeah, I think other think place to look yeah I think Dave makes a great point and I do think you're right I do think that yes regionally is better because you're right. Yeah, then you have a template, right? So what's good in rochester? I mean there's a lot of things that would be very similar in every town So I think you're right Those people out there we can't find people to drive trucks. It is show the sidewalks or Again, the cart is in front of you know, if you all of a sudden you want you want 75 guys that know how to write grants You're in trouble. Yeah, but if you could figure out a way to get five guys That know grant writing and contract them contract them so they don't they come to work with Bethel now Bethel paying them right now this week, right? They've got 17 people on their desk They're paying we're working with Bethel right now. They're contracting Bethel and they're contracting projects I mean, I'm no busy man, but I'm thinking you get that focused attention Yes, what you want and not the discreet Exactly and you're right and the fact is too is they could also contract with two rivers So then maybe two rivers doesn't actually have to house them. They were home. So that's a really good point Yes, absolutely Dave. I agree Okay All right We're gonna get booted again They should be having a Montpelier before they put the cart in front of the horse. Yep. I agree. They should have this Before they make all these initiatives. They should have the roadmap filled in not say These are all the fictitious things we want to accommodate and then we're gonna Send it to you to figure out, you know, I mean Like they easily could come up with this they could say we're gonna fund each one of these regional planning commissions and Yeah, he's saying Now you're slow all that down. How? No lobbyist Yeah So I guess the question I had with the Lister's piece was so when we were talking about Reappraisals coming. Yep, and we had a chunk of money in there for reappraisals And if I remember right and I can't remember what it was But we had a piece that we were gonna have to do on our own, right? Yeah, we had money Yes, and we had above and beyond the budget We said that it was going to take x amount of money to do some of those pieces and now Now you have the Lister's up 17 thousand dollars So is that extra 17 thousand dollars that piece that you're thinking for For just to reappraise reappraisal year or you're saying that's what the Lister budget would be going forward This is what they came up with and the their budget. They're saying 10 hours Each per week because of the reappraisal. So mo did say to me that And I that may be a portion of this money Which I is for their wages the 40 could actually come out of that capital fund because we do have the money in there And we had a reappraisal plan So he was saying they were saying in their iteration. These are the new rates 20 hours per week reappraisal starts in july so I think that this was kind of a one-off for Because of the reappraisal. So with the two-year role in reappraisal I think that we could actually downgrade this number And take some of this money out of the well, that was good. Yeah Yes, so that was my question is how much of that money can we take from the reappraisal? Exactly so I'll take a look because this is just the budget they put forward So I'll see and I'll ask them their opinion. They've never been through a reappraisal So we're going to ask because when I was looking at it seemed like that was Basically them saying this is what's going to take to get through that reappraisal And it's a two-year and then I got thinking well, there's some money set aside for us to do that Yep, so I'll ask maybe that would offset some of that so we don't have to show like a $17,000 increase Maybe it's a I'll ask $5,000 increase and 12 that's being picked up by the reappraisal or something. Yeah, I'll see what they think How much they need and then Obviously to you know as Mo likes to tell us that he's not getting any younger and that you know So you're gonna have to replace them and he's right People are not going to do the listing job for $15 an hour and it's such an important job The town's whole landscape is built on the state's landscape is built on a tax base So you definitely need someone to come and I think you know, there's a chance eventually that that'll be a contract situation For sure. That's one thing that we've talked about if you just look at it over the last Five years. I mean, yeah The lister budget if we went as proposed would More than double. Yep in the last five years. So yeah, so not to say we had it right five years ago, but you know It's quite the jump, you know, it is I agree So that is that on the budget And then I had Oh Yes, yes, I'm sorry, but I think I But it's still nice to just see it on one Yeah, even though we've sort of discussed it already be nice to just Yeah, no, I will I'll finish that and um, I made no but Like I think I got caught up in the whole employee thing and was like, all right, you know Up here and then I'll have for sure. I have the um town office budget Recreation budget, you know, maybe fire and public works. It depends where the where they stand right now Um, and then American rescue plan There's nothing we didn't have anything new on that No The auditors are coming next week. So I'm waiting for them to answer a couple questions for me So I'll have a little better financial guidance there All right And then trees and I sat down went through town managers contract that Guys authorized myself to negotiate last time and trees sent out the An email version the adjustments on What we had used for her agreement of employment last time versus the edits for this time everybody get that Um, it was not in your packet. It was a separate email Chris has the edited cop. I don't have Because right now you're okay. We'll make a zero on it number six. Yeah, okay. I'll make it I know Had her locked in two years Of well say majority probably half of the edits were really just editorial cleanups Things that really didn't pertain to her employment this time around and then some of it was really just updating current numbers salary wise and then the If you saw the the only thing that was was off Was the way we had the um paid time off piece So we corrected that Was really just a cleanup change the dates. It's just a weird thing because technically she could Carry over because we allow so much of a carryover and if she did the if she had some carried over and her new annual clicked in She would automatically be over her 30 I'd automatically be violating my contract. So that's why we put that in there of like Allowing that but also we we put it in there with the select board approval So yeah, it gives us some latitude to allow that or or gives us the latitude to stay like we did last year We'll allow you to carry that over but you got to use it within Six months or something. So Yeah, it was just kind of some funny stuff. So pretty much it was just edit funny business Health insurance. I don't I take health insurance. I plan on changing numbers We're just trying to I was just trying to clean some of it up But really there's no change the term is the change. I didn't want a three-year contract I want a two-year contract and then that 15 Where'd I miss the I'm off. Where'd we miss the I don't know. I don't have it number six Yeah Because I know it makes it a little confusing with the edit if you look at the edits with it You're just missing a zero I'll make no oh, maybe This is the Which would be missing a zero Yeah, because you have a zero. Yeah, you have your zeros are offset with a number in between. Oh, okay looks Wait, I did it out and actually I'll make sure I fix this. So thank you It's hard when you do the ad edits because it cuts like red lines out this then there's still a character And the way that it's on his you could easily say like, oh, that's the right number. Yeah, but it's actually All right, I'll fix it. Well, thank you. So pretty much that was it. There was just some standard change So I have I have the email for mutaries With with the edited Contract, but there was something mentioned about chris was going to send out another one And so do I have them? Is that the most current? Chris was going to edit it, but he ran out of time. So he had me edit it So instead of getting your edit copy from chris. You got it from me. Okay. So that's the correct one. Okay. Yes Yes, sorry, I should have been clear about that. So yeah, so that was really it. There was no and then the only I guess major change would be The contract Before as well As long as I've been here anyways, they've been three-year contracts. I know we talked about like What is the three-year contract even mean because technically you can yeah Give your notice at any time and 90 days later be on on the way And so but then we talked about maybe a one-year thing or just renew it every year and then three said Approach me on doing a two-year contract And it's still the same copy. I could still give 90 days, but right, so She loves that But so that was that was the other thing that we kind of changed. Yeah, and so anyways, so and the other one was And this would go into effect on the october 16th, right? Because it ends on 15 Right to this Saturday she's gonna work on saturday am I just no I don't know we I work today. We have to authorize it tonight or else. Yeah, I don't know whatever I don't she's gonna be on time next week. I just use the same term As I was so if I could is the date wrong lend me. Yeah, is the date wrong? No, I think it's right. Okay Well said in october 15th, so In 10% of it. Yeah Not after the desk tax free 10% Trees you got to pay the bill. I just got bumped off again the third time I know I'm waiting. I was waiting for something from them, but apparently the guys drop in the ball So I told them I put in my credit card that I wanted them to bill us, but apparently that's not happening Just just give give me a credit card number and information And in your social security number, it's a security number That's probably my birth certificate and driver's license, too, right? All right Just about to ask a question Do we have disability insurance as a benefit? We I yes, um, except we we pay for as an employee we offer it And some of us take advantage of it and some of us do not I just wanted to I was looking at that paragraph and Okay, we offer it Good, we do. Yep. We offer Disability insurance, you know, you can get all types through colonial life for aflac and we also offer vision insurance But you have to pay for that what we pay for is dental and health Okay just So unless anybody had any further amendments to the contract, I just need to Motion Authorize myself to sign The contract as amended So moved second Okay, all in favor You're not in favor of that I don't need to Oh, it's such a tough negotiation. Well, not now. There's an extra zero He's like, oh, I wouldn't throw that Now she's really going to take the other position So, um, we're done with that, um, anything left on the town manager report that we didn't go over just, um So a j richard morgan successfully completed the game of logging They were all happy that they did it and that they took it a j and morgan had been, you know Seven plus years and they said they learned some new stuff. That was good. Lisa campbell to the library So chris is finally I told her after two years chris is going to get the discussion.  Thank you. I'm like So, yeah, what's the word?  What's the long term? Well, they got a new um Member and Bennett lawn. He's just really like you guys need to do something because you know, you have seven to ten years And then you're broke so and I said chris has been wondering about this What does support look like and I also mentioned to lisa the idea that had come up at a select board meeting about merging The school library with the town library if they sold their building would they have funds to make Like this amazing library that was more handicapped accessible So they were great lisa was going to go back and talk to the library trustees and and um I told them that you guys were, you know willing and Now have not had the opportunity to take that up in school because yeah, no our meeting is until next Well, it would be them having to see if it works for them if they'd be I think that'd be a great idea to do such a thing So we talked about that so they're going to come with us. Um Alderjan Elliott, uh the final intended use plan uh from the state's been issued And they divided our phase two into two projects And so the 750 000 portion is not eligible for any disadvantaged subsidy Um, they'd give us a three thirty year loan at two percent And then the second phase, which is the eight hundred and fifty thousand We would be eligible for lead subsidy up to four hundred twenty five thousand Um, and then any balance left. So I ran the numbers for you um I didn't see any bennington forgiveness in here. Yeah, well, I think we got all we were going to get out of Out of the current loan work carrying. Um, and I did talk to Alderjan Elliott about the possibility of having to remove sand hill from the project because the federal earmark comes with its own hoops and You know, we're just not sure so right now the decision was We're gonna we're going to submit the permit to construct to the state for the entire project Just because it has to be in by december 31st move towards, you know, the lawyer doing the easements We'll move towards our bonbo in march and then just kind of see with timing how that's going to sugar out. Um But the sand hill piece has to be done. I mean The infrastructure in sand hill obviously has to be done before we spend our earmark, right? Well, if the earmark should cover The earmark, um, there's not much water up there that really the biggest portion of the earmark is to reduce Sand hill with storm water and just redoing the road just building the new base and paving and all that I did speak to a resident of sand hill and said, hey just If heaven forbid we had to kick sand hill out another year. How would you feel about it being gravel instead of Um pavement for year and he was like no way he's like our houses are so close. It's so dusty He's like I can't even imagine it'd be a bit of a maintenance nightmare to get any erosion It'd come right down into a church tree. Yeah, so we chatted about I just said look I just want to be honest with you and he's like no, but I said if worst case scenario Because we know we'd have to throw Money good money after bad we have to patch do a bunch do a better job of patching some of it But at this point it's kind of too early to tell the way that's going to sugar off. Um But it was it was sad to hear them because our rate we worked so hard to keep our rates down But yet because your rates didn't go up enough you don't qualify How much more is the rate? I think that it's said in here that the state said we're not eligible for disadvantaged subsidy as our user rates do not exceed 1% of the median household income. I thought we You know work so hard to keep Our rates down and then you know, whoa, whoa, whoa chris I got it here in writing now it says Paul that we haven't met the 1% threshold yet Um, I'm going door to door with that. I only make 5,000 miles a year. So what's 1% of the median? Exactly. So Yeah, median income. So we'll see Yeah, we're moving forward with the process and just kind of keeping all but obviously phase one Is done, which is the costlier one to the town. No, I'm sorry Uh phase two Yeah, which is going to be the costlier the two needs to go first has to be done The crystal drive has to be done because if we don't Do the booster because then you don't have then we get the opportunity to add capacity to add more users exactly So the 850,000 has to happen. Um, that section and that's going to be a 2% One and yeah Dave's going to write so roughly you said the other one would add You said that the smell so phase 2b would add approximately 4% to the water budget I I'm saying both. I think this would be yeah, both would be and because we're losing both would be 4% Yeah, I would create an approximate water brush and 4% and um But yes, so it's you know, we're kind of the state has this over a barrel What does could you maybe get us what that would do to the water users if you the rate? I wonder if we can start playing around with those numbers like so if the water budget went up 4% What does that do to the water end users? Yeah, I I didn't yeah, I didn't have time so I don't Well, it's 12 bucks 12 bucks a quarter basically, you know, 300 dollars right now. So So that way we can start playing around with that number. Yeah, I'll um So we'll see what we can so I it's still early yet and um So we'll see all my user fees increase um and again, there's There is a lot of Anticipated construction to come out So the earliest we can get stuff out Across the board. Yeah, good to be your bet because you're just gonna see inflated prices due to volume, you know trade off and Aldrich and yeah, I mean there and energy, you know has kind of stabilized came down a little bit and stabilized, but Well, the problem is too is that what aldrich and elliott said was That you know, you have to have your permit to construct in by december And that's what's holding up is the state is could take at four months or more To so we can't there's certain things that we can and cannot do until the state does their part and um But we're moving towards all of our deadlines and because mostly once you get to about april It's almost not even worth advertising anymore like you might kick it to the next and and that's that's off season because you're just You're really gonna pay well I asked wane what he was looking at right now and what he had on the books for work next summer and he's like We have so many holdovers from this year that didn't get completed and he said with pricing of materials And he's like it's going to be a weird year next year So i'm waiting to see what you know prices come out at this are they gonna you know drop over the winter what's going to happen, but Not much it's mainly the biggest is the easement that we got from the adams and doing the whole the belt booster pump The dirt work is limited. It's really bad. Yeah, that whole localized what work is going to be done It's not scattered all over the place right no no no So that's it for the town managers report All right select board meeting minutes from the 26 You have any adjustments to that are we good to approve as written i'm good All good just in motion to approve as written so moved second moved by linley second by Dave all in favor Okay, hi And we had any other It wasn't much there was energy committee minutes and then I did give you a copy of the information from dubois and king for the better connections update just so You could see what they heard at ford fast and what they were talking about and their little proposed next step design And we had volunteer spotlight Yes, yeah Such a nice Okay, any other business come before the board? threes Do I need to come in to sign anything? I'm heading back down to florida. That's why I'm calling you fine. We have three signatures on everything so you're okay gene You're leaving for florida soon. I'm halfway there Okay Safe travels Thanks I'll be Okay, we all heard that lindley will be remote so we won't be all sitting here going Remember you're just gonna have to log in about this two times. No, no, I'll have a fix Okay The only other thing I asked to recent follow up on was the uh, the folks up on geico lane with the Putting in talking about putting in a well because of the situation with the water And we had granted them a reprieve on their water bill They didn't know if we had any further word on that Or whether or not we needed to visit that again If they if that well wasn't going to happen anytime soon Yeah, I haven't heard from them at all. So yeah, I can um give macaw or send them a note Okay Browns Okay, anything else? Oh my god Dave what will you do with that? I don't know. I figured you'd be making a motion, Dave Move to adjourn Second all in favor Hi Thanks everybody. Thank you. Have a safe trip gene. Give our best to julie