Hello, everyone. Welcome to the TSC call. I'm sure you're familiar with the antitrust policy that is currently displayed. As well as the code of conduct, which is linked from the agenda. As I was saying earlier, I think we have a fairly light agenda, but let's see if we can keep it short. We have a tendency to fill in the hour, no matter what, but we really don't have to. It's okay to finish early. So let's get started with a couple of announcements else kind of cruise through the first one the newsletters at the newsletter I'm sure you all were aware of the weekly developer newsletter there's an opportunity for every project to raise a awareness of what's going on in that project. So think about it. The TSC election is now going on and it will run until October 15. So if you haven't cast your vote yet, consider doing so. I have to say it took me more time that I expected because we have a pretty nice set of candidates and I was pretty impressed. So with that said, so quarterly reports, there were no new quarterly reports submitted this week per the calendar, I have to say. We only have Avalon and Bezu, which you know I've been around for over a week now, and I haven't seen on any of them any issues being raised. So, is there anything anybody wants to bring up now. Otherwise, I will not bring those over. Next week, I think we're done with them. Hopefully, as any connection with either Explorer or Caliper, please ping them, try to nudge them into submitting their report. Because those on the other hand are overdue. And this is actually the end of the Q3 reports. We are now in the fourth quarter. So we will start a new cycle of reports. So, let's get to the discussion. So you may remember last week we were talking about, you know, some of the backlog issues and there's this long standing one about, you know, what do we do with projects that don't fulfill their charter, etc.  And I actually volunteered to put a proposal together. And then, as I was working thinking about it, you know, I realized, well, we have, you know, this is just one kind of issues that people can raise when it comes to the TSE. So maybe we should just have a documentation about how you raise an issue with the TSE and, you know, highlight that this can also be used to specifically for issues with regard to the two projects not meeting their expectations. And then one thing led to another. I was like, oh yeah, but wait, why do people, you know, I had thought about, you know, I started putting together a page that we could add to the TSE documentation. This is basically a guideline type of thing that explained the different ways people can, you know, get at the attention of TSE on an issue. And then I thought, but wait, we have a decision log people could use to raise an issue. This is where we've been logging issues and managing issues. Wait, why do we still use the Wiki? Because now we have a GitHub repo, which I was actually using to set up the page. And I thought, wait, this is archaic. We didn't have a GitHub repo before. So it was natural to use the Wiki as a way to manage issues. But it seems a bit silly to continue doing so. It's admittedly a bit clunky. And so I it led me to kind of rethink my proposal all together and and and to make a first proposal in preparation to the other one, which is to stop using the Wiki to log issues, to manage issues related to TSE and use the GitHub issues instead in the repo. So I already saw, at least, you know, Tracy was always on top, already comments on everything before I even have a chance to bring it up, which is great.  Why would we don't do this? I mean, I think most of the projects are moving on to GitHub issues for their own issues. And it seems like, you know, the tool that, you know, outsiders or the community at large would be familiar with it be easy for them to use. So that's the proposal. If you have any comments or concern, or do you want to just have a vote? I second your proposal. Thank you. All right, let's do a quick vote, I think, because I mean, is there any concerns before we get there. I don't see any hands getting up. So let's do a vote with just a simple, you know, kind of thing. So anybody in favor says hi. Hi. That sounds pretty popular. Thank you. Anybody wants to object? Right. Anybody wants to might be marked as abstaining? Nobody. Great. So this passes unanimously. And so what we will do is we'll start using the issues. What I think I'm going to do is create, there are a couple of issues in the backlog. I think we can open some issues in the GitHub issues with links to the to the wiki issue and just move over. But so that will be the, you know, the last kind of proposal or issues that we raise through the wiki. So we'll mark it in the wiki, maybe. Right, maybe we can disable the create an issue kind of button we have in the decision log in the wiki so that nobody even tries to do that. I mean, there may be ways around, but obviously, but I'll make I'll make life as as terrible as possible. All right, so that was easy. That's what I was hoping for. Thank you. So with that done then we can move on to the next issue, which is the first one I talked about this issue about, you know, documenting how people can raise an issue. And so I have this proposal to add a page, and I put a link to the to the pull request I already created against the TSE repo that basically, you know, adds a page if you can just display the page. See Tracy's hand is up, but sure. Yeah, yeah, but just go to the page first. That's not it. Go to the PR and go to the changes to show the actual document. That's not it. You're not on the wrong one on the right. Yes, this is the one I wanted. Thank you. So it's a very simple page, but it basically says, hey, you know, issues should be basically first raised within projects and if it doesn't get solved in the project to your satisfaction, you're free to bring it up to the TSE, and there are various ways to do to do that. And of course, it does talk about raising it in the GitHub in the TSE GitHub repo. And it also talks about different possibilities and talks about the quality reports which we mentioned before, if it comes to an issue related to, you know, not fulfilling their expectations that people might have or meeting the expectations. And so my idea was again to, you know, make it a fairly general page to raise any kind of issues is more encompassing than the specific issue of the project, not meeting the expectations, but you know, we can fold that into this and kill two pairs with one stone kind of thing. And so that's the proposal. So, Tracy, did I make you wait too long, you don't want to talk to us anymore. No, I don't want to talk to anyone. I've answered my own question. Okay. Our room. Right. I thought I already commented it but I guess I never pushed the button. So, I think this is fine. And one more thing that I was thinking through is on the anonymous issue creation. Should we mention that if you want to keep yourself anonymous, then first reach out to community architects. Yeah, so you mentioned that to me on slack actually so on the element forget which one we're using that. And so, yes, so Aaron's point I think is an interesting one. I said, well, there may be cases where people are not comfortable bringing up the issue, you know, directly, and they may want to do so anonymously. And the probably the easiest way to handle this is for them to reach out to a community architect and have one of the community architects to do to bring up the issue themselves on behalf of the community member. Without having to reveal who that is. I didn't explicitly state that in that page, but I did say, you know, if you're unsure about how to proceed you can contact the community architects and this page has already benefited from input from Tracy and the details. So it actually points out how you contact the community architect or you can contact them. I mean we, I don't know if it's necessary if you think it's necessary to spell out that if you want to remain anonymous this is one way you can do that. Well, you know, that would fall into the a I'm not sure how to go at this, and we point give them a pointer but I would. So, again, abusing my power here to break it on the meeting. I would wonder if this would fall into kind of the bucket of, you know, COC complaints, something of that nature. The language that are in used. I think it may be worth calling out and not saying you know if you feel unsafe, or if I think it would not be a toward say, please reach out. So wait so you're saying in the case of kind of conduct violation. No, no, no, I'm saying it's much like the code of conduct. Yes, thank you Tracy. There, you know there is there is a way we say in the code of conduct, you know, do this thing. And I feel that if you're saying the reason someone would use anonymous reporting is because they don't feel comfortable is similar to the reason why someone would not feel comfortable making a COC complaint in public. So and I see that there's discussion in, in chat so I will see the floor to heart or Tracy. Yeah, I, I put a link out to the code of conduct incident procedure piece. I don't know if we could use the same thing as this, if we want to point to this. But that might be the way I agree right that this is what I would think of because. I have a hard time with anonymous people having to actually contact other people. So I don't know that anonymous reporting is actually the right word here. It really is more about you don't want it to be publicly viewable so you need to contact somebody. I think Tracy's done so I'll jump in here I think this is a good strategy. So, for fully anonymous comments or complaints there's going to be no filter and here the community architects can keep things private, while still acting as sort of a filter on these. So I think this is a good idea and as others have been suggesting I think it makes sense to point it out here. So if I understand you correctly guys you're saying it's worth putting adding a sentence in there saying that if people want to raise an issue privately, they should contact community architects. Yes. Sounds right. I concur. I'm happy to do that Nathan. Yeah, I agree that that's very helpful the other thing that we might want to reference here is if they raise an issue it's always helpful for us as the TSC if they point out where they talked to the maintainers or where they've talked to the project, either as a link to the email list thread, or whatever other discussion has already taken place. I think it's certainly we wouldn't say it's required, especially in the case like an anonymous issue being raised but it strikes me that that's the first thing we'd probably ask for. Yeah yeah yeah that's very good point so we could add some text there to say that when people raise an issue they should provide as much background as possible on the issue so that the TSC can get up to speed quicker. Something along those lines right. That's a good point. Thank you. But so I'm glad we're already getting into the details and people are working on improving which I really appreciate. But so I'm guessing nobody is opposed to the idea here. So that's good news. I don't expect this to be very controversial obviously but there is the question as to whether, you know, having this page and we can, you know, happy to revise the PR and to improve with the input that you guys just gave me. You guys think that this satisfies the problem we were having with the specific issue of projects not meeting the charter, at least in terms of like being a you know documenting how people can raise this issue. Sure. Thanks so I guess I'll give you one quick background of why that was an issue or why that was considered some topic that we need to discuss. It all boils down to one email thread that was happening earlier related to one of the project, where the project maintainers said they already had an answer for some of these things and that they were not comfortable that it escalated to TSC at very first point. Maybe there were better ways of engaging with them. And that's what they felt and that's what might have made them feel not good about that email thread. So maybe having this forum where people can go and raise an issue and discuss with projects specifically get answers addressed. And if there's still any issue and then if they're coming to TSC then I guess at least that addresses the concern over there. Okay, thank you. Any other comments. Okay, if not then what I would like to do is, you know, can we agree on the general approach and then leave the details of the, you know, edits of the page to the to the repo where we can, you know, I can update the pull request and then people can vote. And based on that will, you know, merge the page of the merge the changes to add the page. But I would like to have agreement that we're going to add this page, and that this will effectively close this issue about projects not beating their charter goals. Can we have a vote on this. Second. All right, thank you, Arun. I think it's not controversial again so I'm happy to do it the same way we did the other one. Everybody in favor say hi. Hi. Anybody wants to object. Anybody wants to abstain. All right, we're in the wrong. This solves this problem. Thank you very much. Motion passes unanimously. Okay, so we have one more item on the agenda. Arun brought it up to me as if we could add this to the agenda. I don't know how many of you will let him speak but essentially this is about, you know, how task forces get created, just as a to frame a little bit the problem. You may remember that a while ago, we had working groups, and we said well working groups were but at least, you know, some of them had delivery balls others didn't. We had different working groups into long lasting forums for discussions, and for specific, you know, tasks, which were time bounded with the specific deliverable, or the river balls, possibly, we would create task forces, it would just be created for a specific purpose, a specific time frame, and then disband, and we just had one of those with like, you know, the, the greenhouse and the charter date and stuff like this. So, now this to date has been basically under the control of the TSE we decide when we hear the task was when we don't. So, Arun. Thanks Arun. I actually have Vikram also on the calls probably I'll let Vikram speak, but a quick background of what Arun was about to say is. So task forces, there is, at least I could not find a place where we have a defined process of this is how task force can be proposed to TSE. And all the task forces that have been formed so far have been based on some discussion that happened within the TSE calls, but it's not known to a wider audience, and Vikram is actually working on one of the activity which he would like to have a recognition from Hyperledger on that, and also collaborate with others within the open source community. Basically, it is about writing the white papers. And I'll let Vikram speak more about it before I complete my sentences. Vikram. Thanks Arun. I hope I'm audible. Yes, welcome. Okay. So, as part of Hyperledger India chapter, one of the things that we picked up was to write a white paper on re-engineering elections and elections and blockchain. So, for that purpose, what we feel is a way understood from Arun that Hyperledger TSE has decided that we will form task forces, but we could not find a way to create a task force for the process. And the second aspect is that if it is an official task force, then what it entices people to join that particular opportunity and participate in it. And that is the way we will deliver better results for the community. So that is what we wanted, that if there is a process that you follow this route and your task force would be picked up and formulated. And for example, what all it entails, maybe it entails you to create a wiki page, maybe it entails you to a chat forum, what does it entails and how do you go about it. And if there is such a process, it would help people like me and others who want to contribute to this forum. All right, thank you for this explanation. Tracy, as a hand up. I think I put a link to our task force launch in the element. We do have a, you know, you have to create a proposal. I guess my expectation prior to today's decision was that that would be done in the decision log so now I guess I would think that proposal would be done as an issue that's raised to the TSE. And as part of that test force launch page we say that the TSE has to approve task force creation. And then also looking at our other task force decisions we talked about the extension of a task force if it goes beyond the allocated timeframe, and then the reporting back to the TSE on the completion of said task force so I think we do have some of this stuff already documented in the matter of, you know, I guess what's what's being looked for some formal process instead of some, you know, high level ideas about what we have. You know, obviously we can use the TSE repo as a place to put those proposals and then we can also probably put some sort of page that says how you would create a task force inside of that TSE repo. So that would be my suggestion. Thank you Tracy.  We need it. Thank you. You know my initial reaction when when a room brought it up to me was like, wait, I don't see that there's anything preventing anyone from proposing a task force. I guess, you know, it's finding this kind of information is not necessarily obvious. And I don't think. I think we documented, you know, as you pointed out, some of the mechanics involved though the expectations to create a task for but we never documented that it's not limited to TSE members, anybody can actually, you know, use this process to propose a task force. And this is part of the problem. The way our room initially framed it to me was like, you know, we need something that is more bottom up the current task force process is very top down. And I was like, is it, I mean, it didn't match my my understanding. But I realized, well, there's nothing that really makes that clear either so I can see how, you know, people were not as close to the TSE as we are. May not, you know, have that impression. But so, yeah, it seems like, you know, there is no real issue per se and I don't. I mean, I guess tell me that I don't expect anybody to be opposed to the idea of expanding this process to make it clear that anyone can use this mechanism to launch task forces. And so then maybe it's more of a question of making it an effort to better document it. And maybe there's just another page we can add to the TSE website along the lines of what we just talked about to raise an issue. Perhaps we could use something like the CIL from CNCF as a model here. It, you know, it has a how to apply, which is this where you file an issue. And you do all this as an issue, right. Yeah, so that that seems to be a bit in line with but I think Tracy Kastan said maybe that can be done through the repo as Tracy your hand is up. Yeah, I was just going to volunteer to write the page. Great. I was going to ask who wants to volunteer so thank you for stepping up. So, there is this as well, which we can trivially add right that's the issue template for for CNCF right so if we have an issue template. There's a discussion that was just recorded can be put into new issues and make everything easy make the expectations straightforward and make everything super easy. Right, would you mind putting the CIL and then this template, like in the chat. I mind doing anything. Yeah, I know. All right, thanks for pointing that out right and thank you Tracy for volunteering to put this together.  Okay, and to me addresses, right or not and thanks for pointing that they see I was actually searching through the TSC, the key. But yeah I could not find one. We can probably this addresses the concern. I know it's like I live and probably more details will be figured out and upcoming things. I think this should be a good guidance. Right and then once we have, you know, I mean, I'm guessing Tracy are going to put a PR together and then people, you know I invite Vikram and Aaron and everybody else to have an eye for that. Keep an eye out for this and when it comes up. Feel free to comment if you feel like something is missing. You know, suggest that Vikram should not feel gated on this page existing though, now that the previous process has been linked to. You know if you want to send an email or something on the TSC list. I just don't want they want to do a thing. I don't want to get in the way of them doing a thing. I want people who want to do things be able to do it. Absolutely so I'm glad you know we basically I take it, you know from this discussion we have confirmed that they are definitely welcome to create or propose to create a task force right. And we're just saying they don't have to wait for this page to be set up for doing so. They're welcome to make that proposal anytime. I agree. So maybe then you have to take that next step. Yeah, Vikram replied in the other chat, which I forgot to disable. That's all right. All right then. So, I think we're done with that item. And that means we are done with the official agenda. Yeah, I did reach out to you and chat. I forgot to announce during the announcements section that we are having our dev rail mark on meeting is next week. And it's next Wednesday at the link will be out in the dev weekly and it's in the TSC calendar but I would really appreciate it if you know more maintainers and more people from projects, took advantage of the resources that we have and joined the mark on meeting. So, next Wednesday. Right, thank you. Sorry, I didn't actually ask if anybody else said any other announcements, the way I normally do, how ruin as he's end up. I have an announcement. It's more related to call for the project. There is an event happening at global convention or probably an hackathon event called agree the convention. And they're looking at hyper ledgers maintainers taking sessions for their hackathon participants. And if you are interested then please let me know I'll get you connected with them. They're looking at hyper ledger as one of the resource and maybe David you can add more on that. They're looking at hyper ledger as one of the community partners for the event. And they would like to have a tech session for the hackathon participants. All right, thank you. So is there anything else anybody wants to bring up. Sure, I'm going to make a 24 minute. I just want to point out that. Bezu. This is this is it for me. Bezu had as far as I'm aware that the first commit from someone through the through the grace hopper program last week, there may have been other commits that came in that I missed, but I just wanted to, you know, get some kudos to the, to the Bezu team. So, I see the floor to, to Tracy. That was good. A pull request merge as well from somebody at the OSD. Nice. Very good. Thank you. So the event was really great. And I also found that fights like to hide contributions coming in on the event. Thank you. Praise. Yeah, just wanted to echo what Arring just said. I think as the TSC would be awesome over the next year to kind of work with the staff to identify similar events or even have a bigger presence next year at this kind of event. I thought it was a great way to expose hyper ledger in our projects and get people working on it. Just was a really, really great day so just wanted to echo what Arring said and say, I think this would be a really cool thing for us to continue to drive. Yeah, but it was great. All right, very good to hear. Okay, so guys, we're not going to drag this on for much longer. We're going to close early, which I'm glad. But I want to point out that officially we only have one more call for this TSC. And then there will be the results of the election will be announced. There will be a new TSC form. The TSC election for the chair election takes place the following week. So, I think the previous years we just didn't have a meeting during that week, because we wait for the new chair to be decided. And so, I don't know if we were going to have a call next week or not, you know, we'll see whether there's anything, you know, that that comes up. Right now we have a pretty short list in a backlog, mostly DC or related issues which we're not going to be able to make much progress on for the time being. So, we may not have a call next week and this means that this might be the last call of this TSC term. If we don't get to talk again. I want to thank everybody for, you know, participating in this TSC. And obviously, I think about everybody here except for Mark, you know, is running again. And Gary I guess but so hopefully I'll see you on the other side. But if not, it's okay. Thank you all for joining and I'll see you whenever we talk. All right. Thank you guys.


Hey y'all, welcome back to the fire and water cooking channel. I'm Darren and today we're going to do a brisket. I'm going to actually do a full packer and we're going to do it more of a traditional way. The last one I did, I did it more of a medium doneness but we're going to do this one more of a well done. We're going to cook this sous vide for 48 hours at 150 which will get us that well done and it'll make it nice and tender and then we're going to throw it on the smoker for a couple hours to get some nice smoke and bark to it. So today's Wednesday and I need this by Saturday around lunchtime so what I'm going to do is I'm going to throw this in this afternoon. I'm going to trim this all up and trim most of the big chunks of fat off of it and then we're going to sous vide it until Friday afternoon and then I'm going to pull it out and I'm going to throw it in the refrigerator and let it cool down and then Saturday morning when it's nice and cool we're going to throw it back on the smoke. I'm going to throw it on the smoker so I can get some good smoke and develop that bark that we're looking for. So I'm going to go ahead today and also I haven't done this in a while but I'm going to actually inject this brisket because I haven't done it in a long time. I've cooked them plenty of times without injecting them. It's going to be broth and Worcestershire sauce and that's just to get some more flavor deep down into the meat and I'm going to be rubbing it down today with some more of that run and wild gourmet beef rub and I used that on the other brisket I did a couple of weeks ago and it was actually pretty good. The only thing I wanted to add more to this one is I did add a little bit more coarse ground pepper to it. This is good. It's very salty. It's got some good garlic and onion to it but it's lacking a little bit of pepper for a real good brisket. I got brisket trimmed up and what I did I just took most of the fat off. There's still a good nice cover on the top.  I got the big decal piece out on both sides here. I trimmed off the browner edges here where they cut it and it gets a little brown but as you can see there's still some fat on there. Just I don't want a whole ton because we don't need it for this cook since we're going to be subeding it. What I did with the injection I just took about a cup maybe a cup and a half of beef broth and about two or three tablespoons of Worcestershire sauce and just mixed it up real good and that's what we're going to season this up with today and I'm just going to inject it in a few spots. I said I don't normally inject but I'm going to do it this time just to see how it turns out. I haven't injected in a long time so but I'm just going to pick some spots. I'm just going to move it around and both the point and the flat especially in the point and the flat section because you know that that doesn't have as much fat and flavor as the point does so I'm going to make sure I get down deep into the flat section. Here we are we got it all injected now I'm going to go ahead and put my rub on and I got my vacuum bag already made up it's the expandable food saver bag so I'm going to go ahead and I'm not going to bore you with a lot of this but I'm just going to show you how I it's going to dust it with this rub like I said it's the run and wild gourmet beef rub but I added probably another two or three tablespoons of crushed or ground coarse ground pepper so we're going to put a nice coat on each side and I'm not going to rub it in we're just going to kind of push it around make sure it gets all right all the briskets all bagged up triple sealed it on both sides okay and it's seasoned and it's injected it's ready to go and I just heard my timer go off on the sous vide cooler so I'm going to go ahead and throw that in there and we'll see you guys in 48 hours at 150 shrunk down pretty good there's a lot of juice fat in the bag I'm just going to go ahead and leave it in the bag just like this and I've dried the bag off already from the sous vide so but what I'm going to do is like I said it's a Friday night now so I'm going to go ahead and throw this in my refrigerator outside that's my meat refrigerator so I'm going to go ahead and throw that in there and it will chill down and we're going to throw it on the smoker in the morning fires getting pretty good there I'm going to go ahead and drop in one piece of oak wood and a couple pieces of pecan the oak and pecan mix here I'm going to put them just kind of touching them have some outside of where the fire is right now just so that you could have it staged or not all of it burns up at once so looks like we're going to get a little bit of rain we're going to have a party today and we got the unicorn in the pool you know trying to welcome everybody but looks like we might get a little bit of rain hopefully it clears up whatever it does we're all going to enjoy some brisket that's for sure what I'm going to do is I'm going to add a little bit remember we put the run and wild gourmet beef rub on it and I mixed in some more of the coarse ground pepper so I'm going to put just a little bit more of that on and then we're going to throw this on the temp of the grill is right up around 250 and we are just about ready to throw this in it's got a nice smoke to it so I'm going to go ahead and finish putting this on all right guys I'm going to go ahead and get this finished up and we're going to go on the grill on there getting ready to close this up it's been holding right at 250 so we're going to get this some smoke and I'll see you guys back in about two hours all right I've been in about a little but over an hour now so I'm just going to open it up so you can see it's kind of drying out it's not anywhere near as moist as it was and it's getting a good bark I'm just hitting it with a little bit of apple juice so we can uh get a little spritz to get some more of that smoke I'm not too much I just want to get it nice and moist so that it picks up some more smoke so sorry about the audio I didn't hit my mic up I'm going to show you in there just a little over 125 internal and that's in the deepest part of the brisket so it's been sitting right at 250 it's fluctuated a little bit up and down and kind of messing with it but and it's just a little over two hours and I'm going to go ahead and pull it off now because it's about 20 minutes our guests are going to start coming so I'm just going to show you how it looks on the grill there and I got some sausages on there cooking too so I'm going to go ahead and pull this off and I'm going to go ahead and pull down I got it off got it on the cutting board I'm going to go ahead and slice into this got a pretty decent bark on it and it's been cooking for a long time so I'm going to go ahead and cut a little piece of this flat part off show you got a decent smoke ring too so not huge but I got a decent smoke ring there I'm going to go ahead give it a couple slices here Colton I didn't say leave I'm going to have my son's friend Colton you can do the test on this I need you to do a test taste test on this it's kind of hot just came off so pretty tender can you taste the smoke oh yeah all right guys all you have it we're going to go ahead and eat this up I got a bunch of people coming over I'm going to slice this up and we'll see on the next one make sure you subscribe I don't know my mouth full like this video subscribe follow us on facebook and follow us on instagram see you in the next one thanks guys


rms of just haplessly grabbing on and latching on to a lot of like elements that exist in other films and throwing them together without any semblance of coherency with a massive amount of money to bolster that vision. Oh yeah.  I don't like this. Zack has seen movies before. He likes movies. Doesn't know how to make them. Don't know how to tell a story. Can't do it. He can't write a story. He can't make a movie. And yet somehow inexplicably, he's gotten to be in charge of all of these projects. Again, this is a dream project. Like it obviously is awful, but this is a dream project. You get as much money as you could reasonably ask for. He's at $84 million. To create a brand new science fiction universe with the promise of two films, like not just one, but two. And also the illusion of alluding to, yeah, you'll get to make more. We're planning to make this a series.  They both got handed a dream project and it was terrible. And this is not the first time Army of the Dead is also a dream project. Project. Look at the cost and like, look at the money you had as well as another one where you- Zombies in Vegas. It's the easiest thing ever. Future films and everything. And still, it's crazy. I don't get it. But hopefully this is the end in terms of like, you know, I'm just like, okay. Hopefully it has consequences. I don't know if we're going to be looking at a Wonder Woman 84, sorry, situation here, like in terms of career consequences. What's going to be really interesting because I get the impression maybe the first film will be considered a success by Netflix, but it's all going to be about the second one. How many people show up for the second one after giving the first one a shot? And the thing is a lot of people have already been trying the whole. The second one will answer a lot of your criticisms of like, this one was set up, okay? It was the first part of the second one, I have all the character stuff, it'll have all the action. And it's just like, the second one's probably going to be worse. Man, it's kind of weird. Fellowship did a lot of the character work and then that character work was followed through on in the subsequent films. It's weird how Fellowship did it, you know, being a great movie in and of itself. Do I mean, yeah, Fellowship's the favorite for us three of the trilogy. And it's arguably the set up one. It's like, yeah, sure, okay. If some, for whatever reason, a war broke out and only Fellowship of the Ring was released. Just consider how much is self-contained and how much it still sets up and how much we want to see more. It's the exact top child of fire, Rebellion. And it's two and a half hours long. That's a lot of time to get. It's a lot of time. You know, it was the longest Fellowship, but it's longer than most films. Most films don't get two and a half hours to tell their story and somehow manage to do it. And again, like how much have we actually gained about the world? We've gained basic information about it as well as a bunch of these planets that don't feel like they exist in the same universe where we met characters who did like an action scene or had a very short conversation and then joined the team and didn't say anything again. Like, surely this was the film to build character and then massively advance the plot more so in the second one, but we didn't build character. What could any of us curiously tell you about any of these characters? Really, what could I tell you about? You get a lateral move from nowhere to nowhere. We haven't set anything up to build up on. We're basically, it's just like we're in sci-fi world and some stuff's happening. There's good guys and bad guys and that's all that we have essentially to work with. We don't have any characters. What do you think the thing is? What is the theme? Do good things? What is the theme? Rebel against evil, yeah, rebel against like evil regime? Bad men are fight against bad people, be a hero. Like that's, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Except for the times when you stand idly by as people are in peril. Your past doesn't define you. Ironically, if she would have stood idly by while the woman was about to get taken to Rapeville and the barn, then the plot just wouldn't happen. It would have been bad, of course, but the village wouldn't be on the verge of extinction. It would, like realistically, by them doing that, the village gets destroyed in all of its people. Well, none of that ever gets, like, properly addressed, no consequence of any actions and everyone's just so weird and retarded and characterless all the same time that it's just really hard to stay invested at all.  Like Kai, the pilot man who turns on him. In the way that she yells out in the bar. Like, remember that Kai openly says, no, I'll do it for free. Also, I am an opportunist and she tells him everything and he betrays them all.  There's no subtlety at all. Like I said, I was so confused by what Zach was showing me. I just thought it was terrible, right? And that this is a character who just, yeah. Not the, because I know I said it, but like seriously, this is how it works. In fiction, I just assume the right is terrible, but in real life, if someone wants to help you a lot in a thing that is very much not beneficial to them and they're known to do things for money and they're just helping you out of the goodness of their heart.  You need to, yeah, you need to have a conversation. Oh, and we didn't talk about it much, but our lead actress is not very good. No, she's bad. Yeah, I think she's bad. Very, very bland, very dull performance. Obviously, Dave is going the best he can with the material that's available. Yeah, he's playing a pretty normal guy. The gladiator guy, Belle, got a chance to really play a character, but he's generally been- That's kind of all the characters, in fact. That's a lot of the characters for sure, yeah. I kind of like the actor who played the main bad guy. I kind of like, I don't know. Wait, what do you mean? I don't, like the character- The Francis or? Yeah, Francis. I mean, he was doing what he does, that actor with a role like that. What else could he do? That's the best he could do. The character is goofy and stupid, but like the performance was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He seemed to be getting into it, which is what you need.  But that's the problem. You'd be like, oh, I could buy maybe one of the higher ups, one of the characters being ridiculously evil and use their position because they're only there for the power and the manipulation of other people. But when you make it the entire faction, it's just like, whatever. It's like, no, we didn't- There's one guy who's nice. Except we don't see him for most of the film. He's barely there. Nope, gone. He'll be in the extended cut range, geez. But like, why wouldn't you take advantage of it? Show different dimensions of evil if you want to do that. You know, the different, like that you have- Evil be hunting- They did, Kai is an opportunist. He does things for money. He probably would say that.  You could have had it. I ran the whole gamut. You could have had it to where the empire essentially, the evil empire sets up the village to be prosperous, but they kinda lock them in to what they're doing to be like, okay, yeah, we're gonna give you all the grain and everything. We're gonna empower you to make all the grain and sell it to us. But that's what you have to do. You have to sell it to us and only us for this price. And it's a good price. We're buying your loyalty and you'd have mode off. Yeah, basically, yeah. And you have no option- And then this sort of underlying thing is like, you know, but if you refuse, it's gonna be really bad for you.  I think the thing that would make particularly scary is if it was like just passionate.  You know, like kind of like- Yeah, we'll just replace you with new people and that'll be that. The perpetuation of evil is so like built into the system that it's like bureaucracy. Like it's just- Yeah, again, it shouldn't be Darth Vader that turns up. It should be randoms that are lower level and they do the nice, nice in front of everybody. And they're like, we wanna take you into a private meeting that go into his room and then they're like, so they show him a video of maybe when they've done it before. And they'll be like, this is you if you don't do everything I say. Or maybe they know that they sold it to the rebels but they're like, you know what? You're on this middle of nowhere planet. Yeah, you're on this middle of nowhere planet. We haven't been here yet. You need to make money, you sold to the rebels. You know what? We're willing to overlook that. You're trying- But here's the deal. Here's what's gonna happen from now on. Yeah, here's what's gonna happen from now on. And now that's how it is for him. And they live okay.  They'll do fine. But you have to do everything that we say.  Like in terms of if you have the village be occupied, it seems to me like the way that you would wanna do it is that maybe they will accept it at the beginning but then they keep pushing for a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more and a little bit more to eventually the people in the village realize it's like, dude, we're being like robbed of everything that we have.  That it gradually pushes them over the edge. They can tolerate it. They can tolerate it.  We're instead of- Yeah, one of us is supposed to marry my daughter or one of the, or they're lowering the price. Like slowly but surely they lower the price that they have to pay. Or they're being mean to one of my neighbors but they're being nice to me.   You know, the blood axes- Yeah. What if the blood axes were hiding in that village? That could have been interesting. That could have been interesting. And they didn't even know, maybe it was a secret that- Like what if we didn't know until gradually moving forward? Cause they're there, you know, to treat us like the invading army there, like in terms of like, yeah, everything seems normal. They seem humble. Farmers, there's nothing really going on here. But gradually the story goes on. It gets more and more difficult to hide them until they are revealed. And then they shoot all of the other people here and then that causes a huge, you know. Well, yeah. Imagine the conflict in the village of some people being like, why, why, why couldn't you just be quiet? Why could, why did you have to get involved? Why didn't, why didn't you just leave it be and allow us to live peacefully instead of bringing us into it? And then you can have the debates about, you know, when do you need to get involved? What can you, when is it necessary? Like these are just like elements to make it a little bit more interesting. You would think would be explored, but instead it's like the most surface-level story ever. And that's when stuff is even happening. And I'm totally on board, like it would be fun to, if we had a, we were like, we're gonna have seven. So let's try and get a different motivation for all of them. One of them wants, you know, a particular material that you have access to, or at least you've made a deal to have. One of them obviously just wants money. One of them is very invested in the cause. One of them fucking, you know, had a huge life that involves all kinds of death and destruction and doesn't believe in anything anymore. Yeah, just get all these different kinds of people for all these different, but no, we can't do that. We just have characters that like, you know, they have quote unquote backstories, but they're as bad as one line. And then that's that.  And then they don't say anything for the rest of the film. It's like, yeah, but don't worry.   Is it just amazing and magical? Look, Terry's learning how to play Quidditch. You know, there's gotta be a cut scene for the gladiator stuff, right?  Cause yeah, they just arrive and get him and that's it. They just, they just show up.  They say fight for us. And he's a no, and they said, no, but really. And he says, yes. And then they leave. And that's it. There's no gladiator fight. Put into the environment and everything and all of that that you have to create for something that small. That's why I don't really want to watch it. But I guess I do have some level of curiosity about this extended cut just to see like what the film is supposed to be according to Zach, you know? Yeah, yeah. And that's, and how different is it really? You know, when we realize again, like the Josh scene. I think it'll be worse. It'll probably be worse. Cause when more of Zach means more time from the contradict himself. Oh yeah, he'll add more content and context, but all of that content and context will be really bad and will contradict things that have otherwise been set up. Like we don't know if, like most of the characters, we don't know if they're bad or not cause we don't know anything about them. They're not anything yet. Yeah, they're not characters. They're just sort of people who have a few lines but we don't even know if they're good or not. In the promo for rebel moon part two, the scar giver, it shows all of their histories and flashbacks in the trailer. So I wonder if they're gonna say that with dialogue over it, is that having a conversation with someone else and just like. I'm at the point that I believe like, she'll be like, let us get to know each other. You, what happened to you? Oh man, let me tell you. That was bad. And then they just explain the whole thing and then it's like, wow, that's a really crazy thing. And then another guy goes, oh yeah, you think that's bad? And then he explains his back story. And then this was like, you think that's bad? Oh, you think that's bad? And then they're like, yeah, get that story out in a half hour. All the back stories done. This is character. It's already been like, Zach, you must have seen movies. It's funny because a lot of people say door to the dead is one of his better films. He didn't write it. But he directed scripts that are considered competent and he learned nothing? Well, I mean, it's interesting, right? Because the last, aside from army of the dead, the last original thing he did was sucker punch.  Yeah, it's the daydream.  When it's based on something that someone else made, it's like, well, then it starts to gain elements of the coherency of that other work. It just manages to be a part of it, right? Which, again, it's just interesting to think about, isn't it? And the conclusion is just unbefucking livable levels of opportunities that he's wasted again and again and again. Yep, it's just, again, like, what, $150 million? Two movies guaranteed. $166 million for the two movies, yeah. So, like, basically all the money that you need for whatever you want. That's just, you just do whatever essentially. Yeah, you can ask for more money. You couldn't reasonably ask for more money. Yeah, there's no way that if you're, that's the kind of money where at that point, if you feel like you need more money, then you're just being silly. Like, what could you, what could, what story could you possibly want to tell that requires more money? The grand space epic opera, The Marvels, because it costs more than that. The Marvels culture. At that point I'm like, why aren't you just making an animated movie that has everything you need? I'm surprised he didn't make his own superheroes considering his fan base would have been much more inclined to support his work, if it was just a superhero. That's the really weird thing about, like, the sort of the, I guess, the Snyder fan base as it exists now is it's like, it's really fans of Zack Snyder working on DC characters specifically that it doesn't seem to translate really as much to other things. It's like, they're particularly interested in what Zack Snyder wants to do with Superman and Batman and Darkseid and stuff. But like, if it's his original things and nobody's is interested, it's kind of fascinating compared to the way that it typically works, where it's like, oh, I'll watch anything that director makes, you know? Whatever they're doing is interesting to me, you know?  It's so funny to compare, as like Flanagan comes out with literally anything and we're like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Zack Snyder comes out like, oh, God, here we go. Here we go again. And yeah, Rebel Moon is quite, it's just as Zack Snyder film. It really is through and through. I think it's like, I feel it's a good example of what happens when you basically give him free reigns to do whatever he wants. It's like, oh, Rebel Moon is what you get. Terrible. And I genuinely think this is people starting to notice like that is the case. This is not someone you can rely on for great storytelling. It's over, it's over, it's over. That should have been apparent with his many films that he's already made, but if it happens now, then that's okay, because I don't know.  What's the thing, if you remember when we did try and do the DC arc, I was like, Man of Steel, I think I remember being like, you know, this stuff in there that works.   Maskering the children or the baby or the embryos, that was whoof. Ripped on how to chance, all right. It really did, yeah, so I'm done with that. Ripped on how to chance.  No, it won't be that at all. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be really good. This'll be the good one, guys. I've already got a pretty bad reputation. I think that time is only going to murder this thing because not only do people, will they more and more realize it's bad, nobody's gonna talk about it. That's the big thing that's gonna hurt it is that nobody's gonna have anything to say about it. So one instance of with time going on, people were like, you know, it's actually like kind of underrated. It's kind of the same thing that's probably will happen with the Marvels, which is that it's never gonna recover. There will never be a point when people go, you know, people were too harsh when it came out. I was like, no, no, it's just terrible. Like Zach was lucky with Army of the Dead not ruining his reputation, but this seems to be doing it. That was coming out around the same, it was coming around at the same time as the Snyder Cut. So I feel like that massively overshadowed it. Whereas in this case, this is just him standing on his own, creating like a new original science fiction world. And it was hyped up and people were like, oh yeah, I'm looking forward to all the trailers. It looks neat. It's like. It's too late now. You can see it all. This is it. One of the worst movies of the year. It was legitimately miserable to watch. It sucked. And it was, all it was, was just a terrible version of movies that we'd seen before. Yeah, we'll run to one. This will be arriving on the Mula channel before the New Year's episode in which we will talk about the year in its past and you know, what you guys should totally check out.  Like this. But hey, if you're curious and you have some kind of substance and friends, I guess you could do that. Because there's some stuff to really laugh at. But I don't know if it's worth the full runtime. On that note, goodbye everyone. Yeah, goodbye everyone. Yes, see you everybody. Bye-bye. Goodbye. Toodaloo.


Guys, it's today. I am finally getting my stitches out. Good morning beautiful friends. I say finally It's only been two weeks. It's been two weeks exactly since surgery, but since my bandages fell off two days after surgery I've been able to like see the wound It's been open air a lot of the time just because I mean they said that was okay to do so I've seen the stitches I've seen how well it's healing and I have had so many stitches in my life And I've had them taken out so many times that it has taken a lot of self control to not take them out Myself and don't worry I didn't do that, but it would have just been so simple and felt so good to have them out of there But I was a good patient. I did what I was supposed to do and I waited so here's what we're looking at Also side note if you don't like incisions or medical stuff, I'm gonna definitely show that in today's episode So just beware cover your eyes if this is not your cup of tea. I've gotten a little bit better at like wrapping it You see how it like sticks out like points out like that. I hate how that looks I've been trying to perfect the art of wrapping a Nubbin or a stump slow and steady slow and steady wins the race I feel like this looks exponentially better than last time and yes I am aware that it kind of looks like I'm gonna go with the descriptions of it I prefer some people have called it a heart. Yeah, we'll go with that or or a peach. It also kind of looks like a butt Okay, I'm well aware of that But that is mostly because of the swelling and also there's a scar down the middle of it Which kind of causes that like folding in I really hope that goes away. It looks weird I get it so something I am really excited about actually after seeing how many like came out of the surgery Is how small it is in comparison to like how it was even a couple months ago A big issue with having limbs fitted for prosthetics is that they're like constantly changing size, right? Well, mine is a lot smaller than it was when I had I feel like this was so long ago Do you guys remember Christopher Walken our good buddy my prosthetic leg here?  So just as kind of some reference This was my previous socket So this is like How small my leg is in comparison to it now Like it should be a super tight fit and Look at all this space like I could stick my hand in there literally with my leg. It's crazy how much it's shrunk Yeah, that socket is like huge now in comparison And so this means that when I get recast from my new prosthetic Hopefully in a couple weeks There won't be so many constant modifications to make like my leg is still going to change size Change shape over time, but it's not going to be so drastic Which will totally save me time money trips to the prosthetist I'll still have to go, you know Like on a weekly basis for a while to get it adjusted correctly And also will save me from having to have a totally new socket as soon So that is that is good news because like I don't know if you can see it's like it's actually not that swollen Like compressing it down in a shrinker or a liner for a leg. It's actually going to get pretty small So that's awesome news. I've also thought for weeks. It looks super weird It's like my skin just stopped being skin right there I think that's where they reattached the muscle hence why there's like An indentation in my leg. This is a weird journey guys. It looks odd But I love it and I'm going to embrace it in all of its weirdness. All right, so check it out guys I have two stitches left over here this one literally fell out swear to god I did not take that myself and then I have four over here. They're all going to come out I was a little bit worried about all of this um swelling.  Did you just want to interrupt that shot? So that's where the verses were that's where they were cut out of But it's pretty much stayed the same size ever since I took the bandages off I mean the swelling's gone down a little bit in like the surrounding area It is worrisome when I see like two giant lumps still there But I have to tell my brain that like calm down joe. It's just post recovery surgery dead swelling I'm sure everything's fine. I'm actually not sure because I am a worry wart Let's head up to denver and see what my doctor thinks. This is what it looks like to try to crutch carrying things and carry a camera talent Nope, never mind Stitches out steri strips on Mm. Doesn't that look delicious So what's next? I am waiting for the swelling to go down on my stump And then I wait till those steri strips come off in like a week a week and a half and we should be good to go It's kind of a figure it out as we go thing pain wise But I'm meeting with a prosthist on monday and I might be meeting with another one later in the week Kind of just to discuss different options and then I might have a leg back guys It feels really nice to have the stitches out of there It could be ever had stitches in and you can like feel them in your skin. Yeah, I'm really glad those are gone But don't you sweat you're pretty skin Because I melt away for it sinks you and you dream about this very Thanks for coming to denver with me and my doctor's appointment. I love you guys I'm thinking of you and I'll see you in the next video. Bye guys


Well, I'm going to welcome out our three panelists. I'm going to have them introduce themselves to you directly. But before we get started, this is a happy crowd? All right, all right, good. Are we all ready for some really exciting, incredible advice from these three ladies? And it's going to be very interactive, right? Yes. All right, just wanted to make sure we got that right. OK, cool. Awesome. So I can never do justice to these three ladies myself, so I'm going to ask each of them to introduce themselves and tell you which board that they sit on today. We'll start with that and go from there. Go ahead. First of all, wow, it's so great to see so many people I really like. This is absolutely spectacular. Wow, thanks so much for inviting me. This is wonderful. This is like a family reunion. I love this. Hi, my name is Sarah Hofstetter, and I am on the board of directors of Campbell Soup Company and also on a number of nonprofits, including the Anti-Defamation League. Terrific. Hi, everybody. How are you? Thank you for having me. I'm Linda Johnson-Rice. I am chairman of Johnson Publishing Company, and I am on the board of Omnicom, which I think some of you are familiar with, and also Grubhub. Deliveries, deliveries. Hi, everyone. I'm Susan Vobeda. I'm currently the chief marketing officer of the trade desk, and I'm also on the board of CISN, which, of course, markets, the software and services, the communications professionals used to measure their earned media efforts. Great. Thank you. OK, so we're going to play a game. How many boards has Linda served on? Whoever guesses this right, I'm going to make up a prize for you. Oh, no. No. I'll say it's between those two numbers, so we don't do this all day. Nine. Nine. Nine. OK. Wait a minute. There was a tie. Nine. Tell us. Nine boards. When do you sleep? I think it's nine. You think it's nine? I think it's nine. But it's not all at one time. I mean, that's an impossibility. But no, I guess I started serving on corporate boards when I was 29, about to turn 30. And the first board was Continental Bank in Chicago. And I was, without a doubt, a fish out of water. There's no question. First of all, only woman, only African-American, 29, 30 years old, everybody else on the board was over 55 white and male. So where do I fit in? I don't. I don't. But you know what? I have to tell you, it was a great experience. I mean, I sat quiet for about the first six months or so, because you really had to sort of understand what was going on. But that was a great experience. And then, oh my god, do I have to list them all? Yes. Let me think, let me think, let me think. OK, so let's see. Continental Bank, Bausch & Loam, Dial Soap, Quaker Oats, MoneyGram, Kimberly Clark, Grubhub, Omnicom, Tesla. Wow. You're screwed. Amazing. So I've had like no other career. No. But you do have a full-time job. I do. Me too, I do, I do. Which also means nine words. You've pretty much impacted everyone in this room's life in some way, shape, or form. I don't know. Hopefully, maybe somebody bought some huggies when I was on the board of credit. I don't know. Ordered from Grubhub, you know, get a Tesla. OK, cool. So we're going to come back and talk a little bit more with you in just a minute about what you learned through that course. We're going to play another game. OK, anybody familiar with Spencer Stewart? Anybody familiar with the recent report they just put out on CMOs on boards? How many of you are marketers in this room? OK, so there are 9,000 plus Fortune 1,000 board seats. How many of those are sitting CMOs? Take a guess. I have 9,000 seats. Anybody? How much? Wow, no. That's too high? Way too high. Today, 20? Almost. 19? 26. How many of you want to be on a board one day? All right, let's change that.  The 26 here, I want to represent it. Delis, what did you do to get that seat? Well, I'm in my rookie year on the decision board. It's my first board. And what I did was really make it clear to everyone that that was my ambition, that that was my next step in my career. So I joined the trade desk two years ago. When I was negotiating my offer, I had a discussion with my boss, Jeff Green, about the fact that I had this ambition. And I have, by the way, the best boss in the world. And he said, excellent. How can I help you? And we talked about it all along the way. So that's super important when you're sitting CMO that you have that support. And then I just told people in my network, people that were my friends. And what happened was, sure enough, about a year ago, a close friend of mine who works at Goldman Sachs was at a dinner with the board chair of CISN. And he said he was looking for a director that had digital experience, was seeped in digital and technology, and who was a client profile of CISNs, of course, that's one of the things the CMO can really represent is the customer perspective on a board. And that's how it happened. She made the connection. And interestingly, two weeks later, their recruiter called me and said, I have this opportunity. It's a board. It's called Tizian. And I said, well, you're two weeks too late because I'm already started talking to them and I'm in the process. So it just kind of was meant to be. But truly, especially for women, it's so important to make your ambition known to the people around you and ask for what you want. And that's how it happened for me. That's great. Yeah. And Sarah, you also have marketing experience, but you were also the president of ComScore. You ran an agency, and now you're on the board of Campbell Soup Company. So you had an opinion about how many actual marketers there were.  So it's 26 CMOs, but that doesn't take into account other people who are senior marketers. So I ran an ad agency. So I'm not one of those 26. Tara Levy, for example, who's at Google, is on the board of Blumenbrand. So it's not just those 26. That being said, marketers are woefully underrepresented in the boardroom. And to Susan's point, there is a vacancy in the voice of the customer in the boardroom. And if marketers aren't going to bring that, I'm not really sure who will. And when you look at what boards are looking for today versus years ago, the most important things were finance and prior executive leadership experience. And being a CEO before joining a board does make a fantastic amount of difference, because you don't know what it's like to be in the hot seat until you're in that hot seat. But there's more to that. There are plenty of CFOs that are sitting on boards, plenty of general counsels. But being able to put the voice of the consumer in there, because in the end, most of these boards that we're talking about are speaking to people. And nobody here is actually saying, this is what they want. This is how they behave. This is the reflection of culture today. And those are the things that are so critical when you're thinking about both strategic and tactical decisions of where the companies need to go. So, Susan, you wanted to add to that? Yeah, I mean, 83% of purchase decisions are influenced by women. And so there absolutely needs to be also, in addition to the marketing perspective, the female perspective on boards, because you can really represent the client and the customers in the room, and that's so important. I'd also say, from a CMO perspective, a lot of CMOs today are involved in the digital transformation that most companies are undergoing and really have a see the table when data and technology conversations are happening. And most boards are a little removed from that. So the CMO on a board can really offer that perspective in the conversation. Great, thank you. I would agree with that because I know that on Kimberly-Clark, I'm not on the board anymore, but come on, who buys the majority of Kimberly-Clark products? They're women. And so I think having that woman's perspective on the board was critical. It was critical and it drove some really, I think, smart decisions and some that, we corrected some mistakes, I think, that were just automatically assumed by others. And so I think having the woman's perspective was really, it was key. And then from the, and having a strong marketing person sitting there saying, okay, what is the customer? Who is the customer you're trying to reach here? You've got to have that perspective on the board. Otherwise, I mean, what are you doing? You're selling product here, but who are you selling to? That's right.  Now, obviously that's like a lifetime of experience, but if you could compare and contrast maybe the, I'll call it the best board and the worst board that you've been on and what differentiated the two? Well, I'm not even gonna go there with the best and the worst. But every board is different because the dynamics are different. The products are different, because she's nodding. The product that you're serving is different and some of the customer base is different. Let's just pick Tesla, which is very unique in and of itself. Elon Musk is probably one of the most brilliant people I've ever met in my life, but he thinks in a different way. And then you take a board that's like Quaker Oats or Kimberly Clark that's much more, I don't think conservative is the right way, but it's much more mainstream. Those boards are very different. You know, the Tesla board, even the Grubhub board, which I love is great. They are very forward thinking as far as innovation and digital and all of that means so much to them. Kimberly Clark, and this is obviously, I haven't been on that board in a while, but they are much more, they're consumer driven. We had to sort of push them when I was on the board for digital. They really had to get across that hurdle because historically that wasn't where they came from. So I think all the boards are different. They have different dynamics and different strengths. I can't say that one was any better than the other.  So that begs the question, why would you want to be on a board because it's actually a lot of work, right? It's a lot more work than I thought it was doing it. Not that I signed up for this to be a cushy gig or anything like that, but the weight of the company is sitting on the board of directors and also being a rookie myself on a board, there's a major change between being an active operator and being an advisor and counselor. And for those of you in the audience who have worked for me in the past, who I see in the audience, that might be a little challenging for somebody who's used to being an operator. And just because you might see things happening a certain way, does not mean that you're supposed to jump in and save the day. And I think it has taught me at least a tremendous amount of discipline. It has also, one of the reasons that I joined is I was looking to broaden my aperture and understand much more about the totality of the ecosystem. Growing up as, I grew up kind of almost like a two-headed monster. On the one hand, I was running an ad agency so I was a business person. I ran a company and produced a lot of money and grew from 30 people to 1,000 people and something I'm very proud of. The way I did it was by being a marketer and counseling C-suite people on how to advance their organizations. So it was balancing both of those skillsets in order to be able to bring that, but the only thing that was really going to give me the context to be stronger at both was having that outside-in perspective. The commitment levels are significant. We are in an era right now where there's more risk than ever before, especially to public companies, not specific to the one that I'm on or any of the ones are. There's been big movements to limit the number of boards that somebody can sit on, especially when they're an active executive, because you really need to be all-in. The amounts of material that you have to pour through before a board meeting is extraordinary and necessary. So it's not a side hustle. Yeah. We're gonna play another game right now because I'm curious. All of you who raised your hand earlier that you wanted to be a board, let's see if you still raise your hand and we're gonna keep going this. It's awesome. It's awesome. I love it. No, don't get me wrong. I hate for anything. First of all, working hard is fun. You're ruining my game, by the way. Sorry. I didn't want to dissuade anyone. I think it's fabulous. This has been an easy experience. Let's see. Show of hands. Who wants to be on a board one day? Awesome. Oh, you see? It is awesome. That was, I did not do it. All right. Susan. We're not trying to window the pool. We're trying to expand the pool. Inclusive, inclusive, that's right. Okay. What's your experience been like? I really agree with Sarah. It's a lot, it's a very robust experience, more robust than I was expecting.  That's just not what it's like to be a director anymore. Cision is a really interesting company. It's an acquisitive company. So I'm actually involved in a lot of M&A discussions and analyzing target acquisitions with the board and making decisions about them. And that's a completely different world than my life as a CMO, creating stories for the trade desk brand. So it gives you a perspective and a purview that you wouldn't otherwise have exposure to. I'd also say that you just meet a whole new set of people that are involved in a different company. There's a big private equity firm that's been an investor in Cision for a long time. Like that's been a, they've been a pleasure to meet out of Chicago, GTCR. So the kind of exposure you get really broadens your world and that's been extremely rewarding for me. Great. And I promised we were going to come back and talk to you about some of the skills that you honed through this. So maybe this is a good time to do that you have workload and how it's giving you some of the new skills in your day job. Well, the first thing you have to understand is you've got to try to find, I know this is a buzzword, you've got to try to find some balance here because you can't be great and do everything right all the time. So you really got to, I mean, I would tell everybody, you need to take some time for yourself. That's the first thing. But the other thing is, you really need to learn as much as you can about the company on the board that you serve. You're gonna get a ton of materials and even if you're trying to serve on a board, learn about that company. If that's what you really wanna do, try to understand what that business is about. When you get on the board, let me tell you, your fiduciary responsibility goes through the roof and boards that look great and the companies are doing well, I'm sorry, all businesses hit potholes, all of them. And you're gonna have to deal with that and you're gonna have to know how to navigate and help the company navigate through those things. And really, as a board member, you're there to really help the CEO, help the company do well. And to not, and I'm sure these ladies don't, mince your voice in any way, shape, or form. You really can't. You really have to say what you think and what you believe is gonna help this business move forward. So I have learned to speak up after having served on the board of Continental Bank and sort of been a little quiet. You really can't do that. That's not what you're there for. That's not what you're there for. And in addition, you're really there also to help them add more board members that you think can help with the company. I mean, whether it's women or people of color or whatever it is, I mean, I think that's part of the responsibility of being on a board. Age diversity is also something kind of interesting that so when I first started thinking about joining a board, I met with a search firm. And I said, I'd really like to join a board. Here's what I think I could bring to the table, blah, blah, blah. And the guy looks across the table at me and he says, if you look in the mirror and I said, I do every day, thank you very much. Is there something I need to know? And he said, you're 41. The average age of a board member is 61. And I said, and? And he says, well, you don't really fit the bill. I said, well, maybe that's a problem that you can really help solve. And by the way, I never met with that recruiter again. But when I hear your story about coming in at 29, there is a perspective. I'm on the board of directors of Campbell's Soup. They own Pepperidge Farm. They own Campbell's Soup. They own so many Prego, Pace. There's so many different brands that they only just bought Snyder's Lans. I shop in Walmart. I actually know what it's like to do that.  And I think if you're that far divorced from it, because either, and I know about digital transformation. So if you've never, if you've been so divorced from the consumer experience or from running a company or for understanding the business to your point, which is so critical, does age really make you more qualified? I think it is about the quality of the experience that you're bringing to the table and the stats that you put up on the board to prove why you're worth it. And so yeah, I'm significantly younger than my counterparts on the board, but they love it. At least they say that. And it's interesting because it does depend on the somewhat on the board because Grubhub is a younger board, but it's a younger company. It has a different service and a different product. It's a younger company. So, and I have seen over the years that they're not always going for people that are 60 plus. I think that's a really key insight also because there are these younger modern companies, the technology companies that have a huge developer population in that company and what is it like to build product and manage a product roadmap and invest in software and technology. And many people who are 60 to 70 years old haven't worked in a modern company like that. And so it's a really important perspective that should be on the board. Great. So I'm assuming many of you might have questions. I have one left that I'm gonna ask. So I wanted to prep you guys, get your questions ready because we're gonna have five minutes left and it's gonna go, go, go. I have to know, was it hard having to drive it? Tesla all the time being on the board? I mean, I feel really sorry for you that did you drive it to the all-bar? How big is the violent? This is really funny. I don't even own a car, okay? So when they asked me to be on the board, I said, you know, this is cool, this is great. Love Tesla, this is great. I said, you know, I don't own a car. And they're like, doesn't matter. That's not what we're picking you for. That is not the issue. We're picking you for the skill set that we think you bring and we need on this board, which is a diverse skill set, an inclusive skill set that Silicon Valley just didn't have. And so I can't answer what it's like to own a Tesla because I don't own one. I'll take yours. Oh, there you go. They'll take you to Walmart very quickly. So, but they're great cars. They are amazing. Snacks for Model S. They are amazing cars. So my last question, because I don't want to miss this point and so I'll ask you quickly, give us a high level overview on what it means to be on a committee and then we're going to turn it over and let people ask some questions. Sure, so within the board of directors, there are different committees and they're created differently for different companies. I sit on the Audit and Finance Committee. I am a marketer by heart. I have run companies, nobody would say I'm the expert in Audit and Finance. So why did I get put on the committees? Because for the same reason that Linda doesn't drive a Tesla. Sometimes you don't want your audit committee to be made up of CFOs because they're all looking at the trees. I look at the forest. And I think that kind of balance in a boardroom becomes that much more critical. So if you are looking for a board seat, look at the board composition and try to figure out where the white space might be where you can add value. And that actually helps you sell yourself much better. So I promised, I have so many other questions I could ask, but I know you do too. So let's be fair. Who wants to go first? Yes. You have one now. Ask, you shall receive. So my name is Kelsey Davis. I'm the CEO of Media and Technology Startup that's based here in New York that connects college creatives and brands. And so when talking about being a board member, you guys didn't really talk about the types of companies that you're looking for, as well as the type of leaders when it comes to CEOs that you're trying to work with and engage with to advise. So as someone who's a young CEO, what's advice that you can give to me when it comes to what skills do I need? What are hard skills, soft skills when it comes to being a CEO and what type of board members do I need to look for? And then what type of companies are you guys looking for specifically and CEOs that you're looking for specifically to advise? First of all, congratulations on being the CEO. Yeah. Amazing. Who wants to take that? I'll start. But very quickly, you have to figure out what you want, right? So I think the question is, CEOs have to start out with a degree of self-awareness or surround themselves with people who are gonna give them a nice kick in the nuts and help them understand what they are. And then once you realize where your strengths are and where you need shoring up, then that's where you start building your advisory council and start building the people that you think can either help you grow your business, grow yourself. Yeah, I would agree with that.  So those are the ones that are going to tell you they're gonna give you the straight as to what you need to do in your business and what their advice is, whether you take it or not. And then you need to get into organizations and things like this. And so you get exposed to people. And you don't strike me as a shy person. So I would not be surprised if you come up to us after this is over and try to make a connection. You should. You should. Oh, I like that. Suzette, I'm gonna ask you a whole and I'm gonna give you the next question so we can get another question in. Yes, Danielle. Hi. How do you pick the right board? You know, I'm in the process for a couple of boards and I'm only gonna do one. So how do you know that it's a good board, especially for your first one? Yeah, so I think there are a couple of things that I was looking for that I found in Cision. The first is that the business, it's a software company which is similar to the company I'm in now. And both Cision and the trade desk are dealing with things like product roadmap development. How do you really measure marketing activity? What does attribution mean in marketing? So it was a related company but not a conflict and so that kind of allows me to sort of appropriately share information or best practices between the companies. So that's something I was looking for. It was a strategic decision. The other thing is I just clicked with the people. It's so important to feel like they get you, you get them, they are excited about your perspective and there's really a place and room for you to offer your point of view in the boardroom. Linda, having picked nine boards, will you close this out? First of all, I didn't pick the nine boards. I got lucky and they picked me. But I think you have to find boards that are things that you're passionate about and things that really speak to you and what really drives you. I love consumer products, hence the boards that I'm on. You can see it's a lot of it is consumer products. It's not necessarily insurance and banking although that's where I started off. Nothing wrong with insurance and banking? Not my bailiwick. So I think you gotta find things that really drive you, that are gonna get you excited every day to get up and go to these board meetings because it is a lot of responsibility. But it's also a lot of fun. I also think you have to be mindful of values. I was invited to join, I went through a whole process to join a board. I wasn't really that excited about it but it was one of those things the first one is so hard to get. You wanna make sure, it's like graduating, college and getting your first job. It's so hard. And then they gave me the board schedule and one of the board dates three years out was on Yom Kippur and I'm an observant Jew. And I said, well, I have a problem. I'm not gonna be able to go to the board meeting. They're like, it's okay, you confess that the board meeting. And I said, oh, you know, this is not the board for me.  There are a set of values that bring to the company. Just gotta make sure that you feel that if you're gonna be on that board, you're representing an organization that stands for certain things. So I do think that if you're looking for a tiebreaker, the values is a pretty good one to look at. Cool. How awesome were they? Thanks guys. Thank you. All right. Thank you.


Well, hi there. I'm Sandy Olnok, artist and paper crafter. Welcome to my YouTube channel where today I hope to inspire you to do some brave coloring. I was watching Sarah Bareilles's video called Brave and she has a bunch of average Joe wonderful people out there dancing like mad in public and I love it. I absolutely am so inspired by the fact that these people are willing to put themselves out there and I want to see us as artists and paper crafters do the same with our coloring. We can do this.  Try something new and crazy and get really bold with your coloring.  It's from Avery Elle and it's called Envy. That's like E-N-V-I-E not E-N-V-Y and all of the pieces fit onto a half sheet of cardstock. So I'm using some Nina cream colored cardstock. These have, in addition to all the score lines, they also have some little pierced lines around them. It gives you the rectangle for the insert, the little seals, and the word happy mail. And on one of mine, I'm going to actually die cut the happy mail out of the envelope itself and you'll see in the end how that comes out on the envelope. But let's get on to the coloring, which is what I really want to focus on today. And I'm going to show you this with Copic markers. If you're using other mediums, I just encourage you to get crazy and brave and try whatever medium you're using. But with Copic markers, it's really easy to get wussy about our colors because bold colors can scare us. And I know I scare a lot of people because I'm pretty bold already but I decided to amp it up a little bit more and I'm using a B2-8 for the background color on my penguins. And this is another Avery Elle set as well. Both of these stamp sets are from Avery Elle. This is from a previous release and the little viking that we'll be coloring is from the new release. All the links to all the supplies will be in the description down below. But I thought since I was using B2-8 for one, I'm going to use B2-9 for the other just so you can see the difference between the colors. Very, very little difference. So if you're trying to figure out what markers to buy, this is one of them that you really don't need both. I think you could use either and be just fine. I don't know that one is superior to the other. When you're making an entire background panel like this or you're coloring one area very large and you want it to be fairly solid, just color over and over a couple different directions and eventually it will smooth out if your marker's juicy enough. If you're still getting a lot of streaking, it's usually because your marker needs to be re-inked. For the white parts of my penguins, I decided to go with a B5-2, which is way stronger than I normally would use, but I figured since I'm doing this, I'm just going to dive in just like I'm asking you to do and do things that are stronger color than I would use. I did satisfy myself by using some B-Quadruple-0 to do the blending and softening because that made it feel a little bit less crazy for me. So give yourself some comfort by doing some soft blending, but I just I really want to encourage you to pick some colors that are beyond your normal comfort zone. If it takes just stamping a lot of penguins on one piece of paper and coloring them a whole bunch of different ways and seeing how bold does it get before you get really uncomfortable or how light does it get. If you're one who always does bold, go the opposite direction and see if you can do something pastel. Just try something that's far outside your comfort zone and see what happens because you're going to learn something from it no matter what happens. You're going to discover something about you as a colorist and that's what I want to encourage you to do. This is R46, which is a red that I don't normally use. I use it usually when I'm trying to come up with a light red to go with the R89 and the R37, my normal mid-tone and dark reds. Usually I don't go for an R46. It's really a beefy color and I thought, you know, like I said, I'm asking you to do it. I'm going to do the same. And I really liked how it came out. I like this color combination. Worked really great for reds. The G29 is the darkest of the greens. And if you don't have a really dark color in any shade that you're trying to use, use a dark gray with it. And if you go over it with your mid-tone, then dark grays can work for a lot of different colors for your shadows. So again, stamp a whole bunch on a piece of scratch paper and practice a bunch of different colors and see which ones work well for you. The B14 that I just used underneath them was way stronger than I was going to use. And I was going to try for a B12 and I thought that was going to be strong enough and I went, you know, I'm going to go for it. And I did. And I liked it. The B quadruple zero that I was blending out, it ended up going down further than I was planning, but I'm still loving it. I still like how it came out. I think with the contrast with all the other color, it still worked great. Now the little Viking. Oh my gosh, this guy is the cutest thing going. Isn't he? I'm going to give him a beard and mustache and hair and everything that's going to be a really rich reddish brown with some yellow as the highlight in the center of the beard because I want that sentiment to really pop. You could end up accidentally putting way too much color on there and then the sentiment doesn't read. So I wanted to make sure that that actually stays readable. You could go in with a knife and cut that sentiment out of the stamp. It's a clear stamp and you could take that out and then stamp it back in later on top or emboss it or something. But I am one of those that's too scared to cut my stamps up. So I'm just leaving it as is and letting my coloring highlight the sentiment. So the this E19 that I'm using around the edges is lighter than the E29 that I used for that dark shadow and leaving that highlight area around the edge means that I have that reddish color around the edge rather than having a dark brown go all the way to the edge. Just looks like a little reflected or bounce light and I think it worked really well. And then I'm just reversing the order of my colors to get back toward that yellow color in the center and blend everything out. Now I realized I hadn't put any of the yellow in the mustache and I thought it would be nice to do that but you could see the yellow is pushing the color away and that's just what light colors do. They'll push color away from the darks and I decided to leave it because it created some really interesting texture in there. And sometimes don't stress out about some of those textures that you might get out of your markers because maybe it's just what you needed to add some interest to the picture itself. So I've got my skin tones all colored in and as you know I always use my purples for shading and this time I went from VV02 rather than something lighter and now I'm doing his boots in the same colors that I did for his hair and his mustache except for I'm not including the yellow but this way the carpet matches the drapes. I take another one of those colors the brown color and just carry it through another part of the image just unifying the whole thing a lot more. The outfit that he's wearing I decided to just use some some dark brown and I didn't worry about even any blending because when you rock all the rest of the coloring on something no one's going to even notice his little arms they're so busy looking at that that beard that I think nobody's going to care about the rest. So it's really important when you when you want to really rock one thing you can give yourself all kinds of permission with everything else and with my helmet here I even went with a C2 as the light color. A lot of times we'd go with a C0 or or leaving it white and I think sometimes being bold is just going to show you that you can still have a really great image and not have to do things in the same way you've always done them. I'm adding of course well just after I say the same way we've always done them I add a lot of snow and details with my white Signo pen and that's what I'm doing here nice big bold snowflakes on these and I'm putting the snowflakes in front of the images so it looks like it's snowing. If you just did it in the background then it looks like a starry sky. These gift cards are going to be given during the holidays but you can use this die set anytime of year just change up the image and the coloring of course. The envelope you can either use the scallop side as the flap or the flat side. I've put a navy blue liner on the inside of the envelope so the happy mail shows through did a little more stamping and coloring and then I added a panel to the back of my colored panel since the coloring goes through the Nina card stock. I wanted to make sure I put this on here so I could write my message on there and then tuck in my gift card. This little guy uses the flat side of the envelope since it's going to be for a guy figured something a little less fancy on the outside would be great and I've glued on those little seals to close up my envelopes. I wanted to share another project that I worked a little bit on on Periscope recently and that is this little guy I stamped on black paper with VersaMark ink and then I heat embossed the purple onion design's image and that heat embossing resists ink so I took some white pigment ink from Hero Arts and I applied it with a Fantastix and I just kind of squished all of that ink in there and then I buffed it. When I buffed it the resist of that embossed ink pushed off all that ink so that the ink was only left in between that area and then I added more layers of the ink by just applying more with the Fantastix so it's basically painting into an image with pigment ink. I even decorated the envelope by just smushing on more of that ink on the flap and buffing it with that Kleenex to give it that soft look. Alright so here are some more videos the Sarah Varela's video you've got to go see that it's so inspiring to see people just go out and do something crazy and not worry about being embarrassed by it just go out and do it and I want you to do that with your coloring. So here's a couple other coloring videos as well and I would love it if you'd subscribe because you'll get more videos from me I put out about three a week sometimes more when I get crazy but I will see you guys next time have a really great day and go out and be brave.