All right, welcome to the May 7th Select Board meeting. We are back at the middle school where we will be for at least a couple of more nights. Who knows how many nights?  The first item is the public hearing for Amherst Brewing Company, but we're not certain about whether they're attending or not, correct? So, let's see, we never do things in different times than we're gonna do. Okay, well I actually think we can do the Amherst Brewing Company public hearing anyway because this is, as I mentioned, a lot of times when we do this sort of thing, this is a technicality, this is the most technical of all the technicalities and I don't think we actually need anybody here to talk to us about this. So I am going to open this public hearing at 631. And I will explain that this is the issuance of new stock because Massachusetts regulates every possible detail of a liquor license. We need to approve exactly what the liquor license says. They are issuing new stock that the approvals for the new stock have gone through all the appropriate internal procedures on their end and they have been run by the chief of police on our end. He recommends them for approval. Looks like we're, does not typically care who the stockholders are of any of these places. So there you go. This is one of these things that's kind of left over from Massachusetts in its earliest Puritan colony state when maybe we would look at the list of stockholders and say, that person is a, is a problem. You know, we would, a scoundrel, we wouldn't want that person to hold stock in a liquor license. That is not where we are today. So we don't have the applicant here to speak to it. Would anyone from the public like to speak to Amherst Brewing Company's issuance of new stock? Didn't think so. All right. No one from the public goes to comment and select board have any questions about this before we close the public hearing. I do not. Mr. Hayden. I'm all set. Okay. The report we have is very complete. It's very complete. Yes. Then without objection, the public hearing closes at 6.32 p.m. And Ms. Stein, would you like to make the motion? Sure. I move that the select board approve the application of Amherst Brewing Company Incorporated, 10 University Drive, Amherst MA, ABCC license number 002400078 relative to issuance of stock to existing shareholders at the current value of $71 per share to increase cash reserves and stabilize cash flow as voted November 17th, 2011. Second. Further discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. All right. That's unanimous. Three in favor. Two abstent. We folks missed our big public hearing on Amherst Brewing Company's stock. Yeah, I figured that. So sorry. It was horribly captured. Okay. So next up, we have information and requests for approval. First one up is Kendrick Park Farmers Market. Is that you? Okay. And you are Sarah Hopps. Is that right? Welcome. We have your request in our packet and we thought we'd have you come in both to deal with your request, but also for you to make a little commercial about the upcoming Kendrick Park Farmers Market. So what can you tell us about that? I can see. From Tuesday to until October 9th. It's a moving market for consumers in the Amherst and surrounding area to provide fresh produce, meat, fruit, all the good summer vegetables and farmers market items, bread. Yeah, so we're gonna have a lot of great events. We'll be coordinating with the bike week for the first market. I'd get people to the rodeo, really make it a community event for going to lunch. I mean, I'm afraid they're going home for the market, so please stop by every Wednesday. Wonderful. Any questions from select board about this year's Kendrick Park Farmers Market? Okay. As far as the request goes, so the request is similar to last year but a little bit different. You wanna tell us about that? Well, it's just a few more spaces for the farmers. We're gonna have a few more vendors this year. So it'll be the same seven spaces on the road right next to Kendrick Park and then a few more on McClellan, Hallig and the west side of the East New York Park. So totaling 30 spaces as opposed to 25 last year. Okay. Questions or comments about the parking request? Mr. Hayden. You found, you needed the extra spaces. I mean, why the increased request? So the seven spaces are just for the customers, for unloading, but then the 30 would be, we do have an increased vendor presence at the market. So that would probably be, there was like about 12 vendors last year and we're looking to have 20 plus this year. So that would increase, we might not need all 30, but just in case, so. So these, there's blue dots on our drawing. Those actually could be, that's when they're finished unloading, they just need a place to leave their van for the time. Okay, so these could be really anywhere within reasonable walking distance, that's it. Other questions or comments about parking request? I'll just note that sometimes folks forget about the Prey Street parking lot, which is very close to Kendrick Park. So customers who are looking to be attending the farmer's market who might try first to park on that, I call it North Pleasant Street extension, whatever that is, right in front of SilverScape, they can also try the Prey Street mart, Prey Street lot, which is very convenient for this. Okay. Mr. Zomac. If I could just add, we're working very closely with Claire McGinnis, our treasure collector, and this will be official placards of the town of Amherst for a set period from first date, for a time and a date certain. So at the end of the date of October 9th, the year last day, those placards would no longer be valid. And so it's a very official, it worked quite well last year. And as Sarah said, the excitement of this year is more venues and potentially the market growing. So it's all convenient. Perfect. It's a wonderful market. I am fortunate to live within walking distance to it and I enjoy it very much and looking forward to it starting to grow. I believe on the 16th, could I give a plug for your grand opening and at 4 p.m., is that right? Yeah. I believe the chair and the town manager will be joining the market committee and kicking it off. Terrific. All right, Ms. Stein, would you like to make the motion? I move that the select board issue the Wednesday Kendrick Park Farmers Market. Dirty parking passes for vendors use in the town center permit areas of Halleck, McClellan and the west side of North Prospect and reservation of seven meter parking spaces for loading and unloading of vendors products and for use by market customers on the east side of that section of North Pleasant Street that abuts the west side of Kendrick Park from 12.30 p.m. to 7.30 p.m. Each Wednesday, beginning May 16th, 2012 through October 9th, 2012, Sarah Hopps Market Manager. Second. That's a further discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye, that is unanimous. Thank you very much for coming in and we will see you at the market. Thank you. All right, we don't have anyone here for bike week, right? No. That's the next one. I'm just making sure we're going in order in case there's nobody here for bike week and there's not. So now we'll move on to you and you are the gourmet grilled cheese and you're Gail McClellan. Hi. Tony, thank you. Welcome. And so tell us about your new business plan and everything. So the Gourmet Gourmet business says, might we please gourmet grilled cheese is a food cart. It's custom built. We had a custom built on an Antiretra Connecticut. It's completely stainless steel. We cater to a variety of different gourmet sandwiches, kind of like grilled cheese. For instance, a Krabby Melt would be Krabby with grilled cheese, grilled octopus. Pretty cool. And then we have, we have for the sweet tooth, on Antiretra's non-puppet drizzle with brie. So hold hope for gourmet sandwiches. We've gone through all the approvals in the state of Massachusetts. We have Heather's and Mayor's license. We've been approved for the July and October Brentville Fair. We've also been approved by the Board of Health and the Environment. And I'm looking to communicate with you and do some of the events. We're gonna support local farmers. So our tomatoes, avocados, any of the vegetables that we use as well as local bakeries. We'll also be doing some other types of organic breads that we think will be a good fit for the area. With that said, we're looking to try to become a part of the farmer's market, utilizing your rears, but also in addition to that, do some of the other events in the area. So looking at this weekend since it's graduation weekend and we know that at one time there were other local carts up here. I think we were told there was a Tony's down in the Kendrick Park area and then down at the Antiretra Church. And so I'm hoping that down the way of the day. So we've had a couple of lunch cart licenses come to us in the last couple of years, but then the lunch cart business has never actually materialized, at least in recent memory. How do we deal with the fact that, for example, Kendrick Park has use of Kendrick Park during that time and presumably the grilled cheese business would need to coordinate with those folks as opposed to getting permission from us for something like that, right? Yes, because we, yes, for the reasons you said, and that's working out. So that would be a negotiation among you folks. Right. Okay. And so that would be the same with our farmer's market and the other farmer's market, rather in the Spring Street lot that happens on Saturdays, et cetera. So once we've sort of given folks permission to use part of the public way, it kind of becomes theirs for that period, so. Right, and have coordinated with them. Right. Then on the off hours of the farmer's market, for instance, this weekend, which is a big graduation weekend, you know, I'd really like to be out there and be able to sell wares. The food market is huge right now. The gourmet food market, I don't know if you have the opportunity to see the mobile carts on. They have their own show right now on the mobile carts. It's pretty fun, but with that said, other parts of the country is huge. I travel with my day job and they're everywhere. They haven't quite come to the northeast or been a part of it, but I've been myself for about two years and it's a pretty cool cart. It's got a dancing grocery's guy on the outside and his name is Mack, he danced to Mack and I.  Okay. All right, so you've got the information about not blocking access to things. That's kind of the biggest thing that we're, that's our concern, unless a concern comes to us from somebody else, but that's really the main thing. Okay. Questions or comments about the grilled cheese lunch cart? Ms. Brewer. Knowing that's all true and so that's where a lot of this comes into play, you know, what health has done their thing, the fire department, public safety works with that. It does say restrictions for hours of sale stated therein on the last cart license for the state market. So, our motion says that versus. Yeah, it has their farmers markets, I guess, but no. So, do we just take that, what's the appropriate reference? Again, we don't do these a lot in the day, they tend not to actually come to fruition, so we don't have to base it off. But. It's referring to Mr. Musanti. I mean, at this point, we aren't going to be regulating the hours anyway. We aren't going to be changing. She's not going to be coming back to us for different hours. The motion references the license and the hours of operation listed on the license. Application is anywhere between 10 a.m. and midnight. Right, yeah, okay, so, I mean, any day of the week, 10 to midnight. No, 10 to dusk, special events are 10 to 10. Well, there's a seven to dusk. Right, that's from the market, seven to dusk. Especially events are 10 to midnight. I was referring to special events. The Kendrick Park Farmers Market itself, I believe, is two to seven p.m. weekly? Two to six. Two to six. My concern is, I don't want to say these are the hours we've approved. If these aren't the only hours because we don't know what special events really mean, I just assume we took the hours reference out. And if there's an issue or a complaint later, I think that that's something we deal with them. Because it's not, this isn't something somebody can refer to and say, oh, you're operating at six a.m., that's a bad thing. Because it's different days, different situations. Like you said, graduation is an important thing. But I don't want to be unnecessarily limiting with something we're not going to enforce immediately. So you... Just assume skip the hours reference all together. Skip the hours reference all together, which means that it could be at two o'clock in the morning or? No, it's already till midnight. I can't imagine. When do we let the cart for UMass? I don't think they have a permit with us. I think they just operate on campus. But I'm not sure. Ms. Stein, you have a question or? I just was going to say I don't see any harm in having these hours spelled out. I think it's sort of useful information. So Ms. Brewer, your concern is that it might be happening at six o'clock in the morning and that's not being... My concern is that Kendrick Park, it doesn't say that's Wednesday as well. I'd rather just say 10 a.m. to 12 a.m. period. Oh, okay. Just getting rid of the special event thing. If we're going to list hours. And then that way, that covers Kendrick Park and we don't expect it to be too late. But it's not getting too fast. Okay, so what we've just done is... So that says seven a.m., is that right? That doesn't say one a.m. It says seven a.m. to dusk. Okay, so we've eliminated the seven a.m. concept and which would have you starting at 10 a.m. all the time? Is that fine? There's not a huge grilled cheese market at the seven a.m. Right. I'm not sure if I were setting up for the farmer's market on Spring Street. What's wrong with seven a.m.? I might not cross out dusk in 10 a.m. and just have seven a.m. to 12 a.m. Okay. Okay. Is that all right? We will determine exactly what the desire is for grilled cheese sandwiches at every hour of the day. And then report back to us whether you're selling between seven and 10. I'm just gonna stop by and ask her. Okay, so the motion has been amended to now read seven a.m. to 12 a.m., correct? By which we mean midnight. All right, further discussion. The only other addition to the motion is to add the owner's name at the end, just like we do with managers. Again, we don't have a set way. All right, anything else? Good. All right, then. Moving right along. All in favor say aye. Aye. I haven't made the motion. Oh, you didn't? That's how we did. That's going to be a long meeting. Usually she goes to all of her motion changes after we've made the motion, but okay. So go ahead. Shall I go ahead? Yes, please. Okay. I moved at the select board to approve the application of McLaughlin Corby Incorporated Dueing Business as Bite Me Please Gourmet Grilled Cheese to maintain a vehicle for the sale of gourmet grilled cheese sandwiches, soup, smashed potatoes, Cuban coffee, and gourmet soda on such part of running public way in the town of Amherst, subject to Hawkers and Peddler's license restrictions for hours of sale stated therein on the lunch cart license, providing that public travel is not commoded thereby. Release of license pending issuance of the Amherst Health Permit by the Amherst Health Department. Owner, Yale McLaughlin Totey. Second. For the discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you. Look forward to your grilled cheese sandwiches. Okay. Moving right along. So we still have nobody here for bike week and I'm not sure if they're coming in or not and I don't know the deal with Tabella. So let's do, let's do bike week first. Okay. I'll have to calculate the rate or what? I don't, time is 648. Sure we can read the proclamation. So this is for bike week. Let's just say when it is bike week is May 14th through May 20th, we have in our packets a poster with a bunch of bike week events. Thought somebody was gonna come and talk to this. Mr. Hayden, are you connected with bike week at all? I am. I've been invited to speak at the breakfast on Friday. Okay. Is there anything else you'd like to sort of say about it as a little commercial for bike week? I'd love to go on and on and on. The last year, it was pretty exciting because a lot of high school kids got involved in that week. I was accompanied on my commute to work by a lot of high school kids, which is always a great pleasure. But also, it's fun just to come, there are various events. There'll be the bike rodeo for the youngsters to learn how to ride better and to show off how well they do ride. The high point of course for me is on Friday at the breakfast, those of us who've been riding are invited to come to breakfast that's sponsored by the bike week people. There is a rumor that the Arthur Swig Bicycle Award, which is presented annually to someone who has most helped promote bicycling in the area, will be awarded, will be given at that breakfast. It's often given at an event at the library. That's kind of a nice idea. I'm not sure if I can mention that John Ulver is going to be the recipient yet or not, but anyway. Don't think you have. Don't mention it. Don't mention it. All right, thank you. Ms. Stein would like to make read the proclamation. Sure. Whereas bicycle commuting is an effective means to reduce air and noise pollution. And whereas bicycle commuting is an effective means to conserve energy. And whereas bicycle commuting helps improve the livability of communities by reducing traffic noise and congestion. And whereas bicycle commuting is good physical exercise that contributes to the health and fitness of residents. And whereas increasing numbers of businesses have installed bicycle parking and other commute facilities to help customers and employees commute by bicycle. And whereas bicycle transportation is an integral part of the multimodal transportation system planned for by federal, state, regional and local transportation government agencies. And whereas the Massachusetts Department of Transportation, the Pioneer Valley Planning Commission, Mass Bike and many public and private groups and individuals have worked together to promote a single week of bicycle commuting. And whereas the month of May is national bike month to promote the bicycle as a means of transportation and recreation. And whereas the week of May 14th to 20th, 2012 is Bay State Bike Week in the Pioneer Valley. And now therefore the Amherst Bike Board does hereby proclaim the week of May 14th, 2012 to May 20th, 2012 as Bay State Bike Week in Amherst. Second. All in favor of proclaiming May 14th through May 20th is Bay State Bike Week. Say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. That is unanimous. It is thus proclaimed. Okay. Next up. I'll take Karen, she did make it tonight. Okay. So next up, we have a liquor license change. Now I was saying before that the State of Massachusetts is incredibly picky about all of the liquor license changes. Oddly, this is a change for which we don't need a public hearing. It also does not need to be noticed to butters or whatever, so this is in a funny little category. So this is a liquor license that is currently held by tabellas and they are changing their business model to a pizzeria. Now we invited them to come in tonight and talk to us about that, but they're not here. So they need both to change the liquor license information which we can do in their absence and they need a new common vitual license which we can also do in their absence.  So both of these motions are about changing the liquor license and coming up with a new common vitual license for this business which will be called Arise Pizzeria in the same location as tabellas and with one of the same principles, but now it's going to be Arise instead of tabellas. If anyone has questions, I can't answer them. Mr. Hayden. Well, actually, this is a procedural question. If we vote no, does it have to stay tabellas? Well, I really enjoyed dinner there and I'm not, you know, there's plenty of pizzerias in town. Indeed, indeed. I don't know. All right, Ms. Stein, how would you like to make the motion? I move that the select board approve the application of tabellas, LLC, doing business as tabellas restaurant, 28 Amity Street, Amherst, MA, ABCC license number 002400098-12 relative to change of corporate name and doing business as from tabellas, LLC, doing business as tabellas restaurant to Arise and Drink Your Bliss, LLC, doing business as Arise Pizzeria as voted April 28th, 2012. Second. That's for the discussion. So that vote refers to their vote, right? That doesn't mean our deal. Yes. Thank you. That's just, but I forget what we tried to call it the last time. Maybe we'd call it per their corporate vote. Yes. Per their, per their corporate vote, April 28th, 2012. Or as voted by the LLC, something like that. As voted by the LLC. Yes, that's good. As voted by the LLC. Okay. For the discussion, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. That's unanimous and the common bid. I move that the select board approve a common victor's license for Arise and Drink Your Bliss LLC, doing business as Arise Pizzeria, 28 Amity Street, Amherst to be open from 11 a.m. to 1 a.m., Monday through Saturday and 10 a.m. to 1 a.m. Sundays, Emily Wadham, manager. Second. For the discussion, all in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. That is unanimous. Okay, we took care of all those things, whether folks were here or not. Did I skip anything on that list? No, we have a liquor license. Okay, what time is it right now? Okay, yeah, so let's do the liquor license now. I move that the select board approve the application for wine and malt special license of Brenda Ryan Newton, director of catering on behalf of the University of Massachusetts for reception to be held at Holder Hall on May 10th, 2012 and 5 to 7 p.m. Second. For the discussion, all in favor say aye. Aye. All in favor say aye. Aye. That's unanimous. Okay, so we'll get to untimed items then and the first one is the housing study update. Yes, and I'm pleased to have planning director Jonathan Tucker here who will give us a incredibly detailed but concise update on the housing study. The incredible use of this kind of project we've already had in the packet. The concise part is that the study will consist of four parts, well not just the eight and six part here, so there's the funding. The portions of the study for us are initially, first part is the housing needs assessment, affordable housing needs assessment. The general assessment of the community's housing stock with a focus on affordable housing needs is formed according to state and federal guidelines that will be funded through our bar grant program and it will be sufficient to then decide to go forward with that to use for the production of a housing production plan under state law. We may or may not decide to do that but this will enable us to be able to, you know, the community decides that something it wants to do. What that does is establish the baseline of housing information for the community. The second part is the perspective of housing market study that was recommended under the gateway study, which was subsequently brought to address the entire community and was funded by last falls of town meeting. So we have two pieces of the funding that we will keep separate. What that will do is assess the community's housing stock and housing performance over the last decade or so, as well as the regional and national housing trends to try and determine whether or not Amherst is, people are trying to come to Amherst and aren't able to do so because there is not housing here that meets their needs. Particularly where we have non-student populations, adults, they're able to sort some kinds. We're quite aware of both anecdotal in terms of regional and national trends that such folks are out there. What this will do is give us more details about what that means. The third part will be an assessment of the impact of student housing markets on Amherst's housing stock in a variety of ways. And finally, we will be asking the consultant who have been doing this work to look at some of the range of zoning and other regulatory amendments that we have been considering and give us recommendations with regard to this. Affordable housing, the assessment study, the perspective market study, the assessment of the impact of student housing on Amherst's market and the real recommendations with regard to regulatory change. All of those pieces are described in much greater detail in the draft RFP, which is in your package. I'd be happy to answer any questions. We will then be going out soliciting requests for both of these in the next few weeks on this. Great. So we do have the RFP in our packet, which is online for folks who are following along at home. Are there any questions or comments from select board? Mr. Hold. This is a little bit tangential but related. As Mr. Tucker mentioned, there's been a lot of public interest in this issue. Some people have asked for housing studies. Some people then talk about the relation between the housing studies and proposed zoning changes. Could you just speak briefly to that about the order of the process and the logic that's at work here? So I think that the public is always gassing forth for more information about these things. The community has last did an affordable housing update in 2004 and we have not done, we've not studied the community's housing since then and almost a decade. There has certainly been substantial change. One of the things that we've noticed has been the increase in the conversion of single-family residences in the last five years to crevice, one sort or another, predominantly but not entirely student residence. So part of the intent here is to gather that information. There is some relationship to zoning but not as much as some people would hope there was because you can craft zoning to capture, zoning is a generalized instrument. You can capture the range of possibility, for instance, under the middle of the zoning that we're now contemplating, the planning board is proposing to limit the bedroom size from one to three bedrooms per unit so as to try and focus on the market which is not the group housing market out there. But beyond that, zoning is somewhat of a blunt instrument and it's not a tool that no matter what information you have, you can use to direct people in one direction. In some cases, people who help right on out of town. You can't do that with zoning. What you can do is open and close doors and windows and then it's up to people to decide to go through them. So we have a great deal of anecdotal information and we think we have a pretty good understanding of what's going on with the market but this information will give us grounding and details that we can then go forward not only with zoning but with many others including block grant funds, for instance, for housing rehabilitation and so forth. What is the target for that? Thank you, Mr. Museum. Yeah, and I would just add that to me this is a very important next step in this, a long-term process. Starting with the affordable housing needs analysis and study knowing that we have CDBG and other potential funding partners out there for the town to make strides in affordable housing, I think it's very, very important that we have much more specific goals and objectives about the type of housing we're trying to achieve and rough timeline as opposed to a concern about responding to individual parcels or opportunities that may come on the market at any given time and having time and energy focused on reacting to that as opposed to being a more deliberate plan. So I see that as fundamental. In terms of the housing market study piece of this, you know that 16 months ago now at the beginning of 2011, I asked the Amherst Redevelopment Authority to take a deep breath and look anew at the so-called Gateway Corridor Project, the area between the downtown and the UMass campus and we engaged outside planning consultant from Cecil Group with a community charrette process in May or June of last year and it was a very intense of three-day charrette. Part of the recommendations coming out of that charrette from feedback from many, many community members and from the professional outside planners who were involved was to one of the next, two of the next steps were a more detailed transportation study which is almost entirely complete that we have partnered with the university on. We'll have recommendations from that very shortly and then the need for a more detailed housing market analysis to ascertain with some independent analysis what sort of market exists out there for the type of housing that the community was expressing as most desired in that corridor and so this is a study to find out if in fact there's some accuracy to that desire. So I see this as a logical next step. All of this comes way before any attempts or the crafting of even any additional zoning and so I think we need to get on with the analytical work through these studies and then there'll be much more public process if and when we get to the point where it makes any sense to do zoning. Thank you. Mr. Tucker, on the mistake. Part of the step-wise process is these studies, traffic study fairly quickly and the housing study by my group, I have a zoning in the end of July, we'll be in hand and Article 17 asks the funder to do the next steps to enable us to then take, okay, we've got that information. Let's look at both the gateway and the entire downtown as a unit and whether and how to rezone that area. So it's all hopefully a logical set of steps. Great. Ms. Stein. No, Ms. Stein. After me, I was looking at November 2011 town meeting, Article 5, which also talks about a housing marketing study and could you clarify, meet for me how this study and that? This study contains that study. This kind of study includes funds from block grant to do the affordable housing study, the larger generalized study includes those funds, those $40,000 to do the perspective market study and as part of that study to also look at the impact of the housing market, of the student housing market on the community's housing stock and the house housing in general and to look at review and recommendations with regard to future regulatory changes all associated with that. What we hope is that that will then give us a comprehensive picture between the block grant funding and the perspective market funding that was appropriated last fall of the entire community's housing. There are still a few pieces left that we are not gonna be able to do because we don't have access to funding until fall just because of the federal grant cycles and those pieces are examination of Amherst's income levels in greater detail in terms of the census data and locating where folks of low and moderate income are living in Amherst and then also an assessment of Amherst's housing stock for relative levels of deterioration, what the feds in their wisdom, steal, slump, blight, those are the good terms that they use. So we can then target the funds that we have through block grant program whether it's through housing review and levitation or whatever at improving and retaining that housing stock. Ms. Gruer. First an apology because I asked for the draft last week and I got it, but I still didn't ask my questions ahead of time, so kind of putting Mr. Tucker and the tail manager on the spot here. One thing I think is really important for us to have in the Stein's question brought it out again, despite Mr. Tucker's great explanation and to us verbally and the words that we have, we need a simple chart that says this money pays for this, this money pays for that, from fall, from spring, it's really quite straightforward so we can refer back to that at some future point. Especially with the last two items that you've mentioned, Mr. Tucker, those would be additional block grant funds is what we're looking at for the source there when you say both those pieces, right? Those have already been essentially approved for block grant funds and we just know that we're not gonna have to fund anything at all. But that is also CDBG and so that would be really good to show timeline associated with that. So it could be a fairly simple chart something big and elaborate. Question about the planning board has seen this, have they, did they have any comments that seemed? I have seen this, they did not have specific comments on it, they were too forward their comments as they reviewed it to staff individually. They did vote in terms of the accompanying step on article 17, unanimously to very carefully worded how to run this set and I think the planning board member will speak to that and I want to try and attempt that careful reading from memory. They basically appreciated the community's planning process on this, the things that have been done in the logical, step-wise, and supporting the funding for what they're doing now. Great, two more, let's try and be quick. The housing production plan, I remember discussing that with the Committee on Homelessness and the Block Grant Advisory Group previously. I'm confused by something I thought I heard you say about the fact that this material, as is described in the RFP, would meet the requirements for portion of a housing production plan but we wouldn't have to adopt it, we wouldn't have to use it. I got lost somewhere on that thread because the understanding at that time by those committees had been we will spend money, we will have a housing production plan so that we can be one of the communities that has a housing production plan. The community can then do that fairly quickly once it has the needs assessment in hand. It is a policy decision and we don't yet have a housing and shelter committee in place to look at that question. Some communities in Northampton, for instance, have done the needs assessment, they were not however interested in doing the production plan because that then ties you to a state schedule for producing housing annually with a certain amount and it also ties you to a methodology in terms of creating certain kinds of districts, what state considers to be smart growth districts, so many districts in which things are rented pretty much by right if they include affordable housing and so forth and there's less local control. Some communities want to understand their housing and then make their own choices about how to go about addressing that housing and not be under the control of the state and mandate. If I could ask the town manager then to ensure that when the housing and sheltering committee which has been appointed but has not yet been brought together to meet does meet that they receive some clarification on what that means. Absolutely. I know some expectations probably are although there were a lot of details at the time they didn't realize the separation between those things but it's not just a one shot product and then it's done and I totally appreciate the way you just explained that. My final question is associated with public input. I know that we have done over so many different types of public inputs and I noticed that in the RFP it says that one of the consultant qualifications is asking that they have successful basically successful experience with visioning exercises. However, there's no requirement in this RFP that I can find that they meet with any town committees or any public other than town staff. And so what's your vision for that? This is, we're not talking about the project under Article 17, we're talking about the housing RFP. This is a study study. It is not intended to create a set of policy recommendations out of that that then follows from the information. This study goes to the housing and shelter committee probably to the planning board and other boards as well and out of that town decides how it wants to proceed with process for determining what kinds of policies to follow. It's not a visioning process for specific parts of town or for the entire community. It's a data gathering exercise. And while I understand that although it was specifically asked for as a type of experience that the consultant has had and I understand that you might want that experience from them even though you don't expect them to provide that experience within this project simply because it speaks to their other characteristics. I am also familiar with studies that are completed and handed over to committees that have overlooked things that seem quite obvious to members of committees that weren't necessarily obvious to others. So I'm a little concerned that the project will just be, we'll do the RFP, we'll assign the contract, we'll say, okay, here it's all done. And there's been no opportunity for input by the people who are going to be deciding on the policy later before the policy, before the study is complete. So I think that's something we should think about. I'm not trying to stop anything at this point. I think it's something we need to think about logically because it's something that has happened in the past and it's people are experts, but yet there are things that will be overlooked. It happens in the schools, it happens here too. If I may, when we drafted this, the committee didn't need this. Absolutely. We would be happy to have this in such a way that this body is working with the housing and the children. And I certainly don't want to slow down any of the data gathering, nobody wants that, nobody wants that. So I think- So we want to be able to say something at some point. But that's the way to do it. Let's wrap this up. So I think that your points are good, the town manager has heard them, the planning director has heard them and that can be kind of a consciousness that you bring to this process. I completely agree that one does not collect public input on what do you think the state of housing is, that's not a study, that's a visioning process. So I think that's all duly noted and will be kind of- That sounds fine. It's like I said, I don't want to slow down any data. Right, we certainly, the idea of rewriting this for the housing and sheltering committee, that's only been a point that that would be terrible. So, okay. All right, so we're proceeding. We're good with it. We appreciate it being shared with us. You've got Ms. Brewer's concerns. Anything else on the housing study? Okay. You are not. You're dismissed. Thank you. And speaking of dismissed, you're also dismissed. We took care of you early. It was a technicality. We weren't sure if you were coming. That'll do. Yeah, that's not a problem. It's quite all right. You're all approved issue stock. Go forth and issue. Okay. Moving right along here, we have Mr. Miesanti quickly is gonna tell us the status of Article 29 discussions. I don't have any substantive update for you tonight, unfortunately. Continuing to work with town council based on the feedback from the select board at your April 30th meeting about attempting to craft a draft motion that might be embraced by both the petitioners and the select board along the lines of a resolution related to Article 29 about secure communities. That drafting and additional outreach is not yet complete. So I think it's appropriate if we wanna perhaps schedule this for one of your upcoming sessions. Okay, so clearly the time is of the essence here. So I would think that we will get to this article next Monday or next Wednesday. I'm hoping that meaning doesn't go beyond that, but who knows, I'm an optimist. I do not think we'll get to it tonight or this coming Wednesday, so that's not a problem. But presuming that we are going to get to it like next Monday, we need to have the information before that meeting, before that packet, so we can all think about it. And also clearly the petitioners are gonna need to be involved at more than the last step so that this is kind of vetted by the time we deal with it. Okay, any other questions or comments on that then? My quick comment was to be, that's exactly what I expected tonight's update to be was that you'd still be working on it, but again, just understanding that timeline. You weren't disappointed. That's kind of tight, but we knew that's where you'd be at this point. Yeah, okay. All right, nothing that. All right, so then the other thing we need to do tonight is talk about our summer meeting schedule. You had a packet, a memo in your packet that is both a memo and a calendar page. I'm proposing something a little bit radical, a little bit radical for summer that we meet less often. Like how about that? We tend to meet less often in the summer anyway, but then there's kind of a certain amount that you just have to meet in order to get your work done. This board has been working together for a couple of years now. We've got our processes down pretty well. The primary process that we go through in the summer is the town manager evaluation and goal setting process. And I think that I feel good looking at that schedule, which I'll present to you at one of these June meetings that we can fit all of that in as necessary because we know what we're doing. We've done it a couple of times and we're getting pretty good at it. So first there's the concept of meeting fewer times, which would basically come down to two meetings in June. The proposal would be to whenever town meeting ends to not meet again in May. To meet these two times in June, which corresponds to times that we are all given the information folks gave me, we are all available at those times. One time in July, which is only one fewer time than we met last year. Again, this is a date that everyone is available per the information I've been given. And essentially one regular meeting in August, at the end of August, that the meeting right before that would be the evaluation only meeting. This is the meeting where we sit around, we read documents mixed for really thrilling television. But it's a really critical meeting and one that we wouldn't pile other stuff onto. The reason I think we can do this would, it basically hinges on our willingness to have kind of these quickie select board meetings for licenses and taxi licenses and liquor licenses if they come in. Also the potential to have to add another meeting or two. We both, or rather we all saw some various ZBA transmittals that are working their way through the system right now. We've got some restaurants in town that are looking to either open or expand in the coming months. I will do my best to schedule those liquor license hearings for these dates, but once those get submitted and approved, then they have kind of their own clock that starts ticking. So if those won't work, then conceivably we would need to schedule another meeting. But again, it would just be kind of for the liquor license concept. Our work does slow down a lot in the summer. I have looked through the lists from the last couple years of summer meetings and I do believe we can do this. So the theory is the theory good with folks to meet these few times? And how about the dates in particular? Are folks good with these dates? They're consistent with what you told me would be available. And I will mention that since I created this memo, you all got on my email about that other date that we have to meet. And this is how we have to just sort of be able to respond to things as they occur. And that is the 13th of June. There will be at least a quorum's worth of us for a meeting, a joint meeting with the regional school committee and the Pellum Select Board to deal with retired teachers' insurance. This is a public hearing that will be held here at the middle school. So I can add that to your calendar just to be thorough. So any questions, comments or concerns about the meeting dates as proposed? No. Okay, to make it official, we usually vote on our meeting dates, Ms. Steinridge, I'd like to make the motion about these. I think we have a motion. Do we approve the approval? Come on in. Sure, sure. I move. Nope, maybe we don't have it. Sometimes we do. Could we agree by consensus? We can agree by consensus. I'll state the motion. How about that? That the Select Board meet on June 11th, 13th and 18th, July 16th, August 20th and 27th, and that we understand that occasional other dates might be called as necessary to deal with liquor license hearing or a simple liquor license, special license approval. You put in June 18th on that? I did. So I need a second. Oh, second. Thank you. I'll say, no, further discussion. All in favor, say hi. Hi. All right, that is unanimous. Good, we've got a meeting schedule. I think that helps to get that taken care of now for those of us who are still making vacation plans or whatever it helps us to plan around those. And I think that we can be very efficient this summer in our meeting. Okay, anything else we need to talk about tonight before we adjourn? I will note that we are meeting. Don't forget, we are meeting on Wednesday. We have a public hearing on Wednesday at 6.30 in this room and we will also, that meeting will be followed by a very brief executive session. Which is in this room? I think we'll do that. Yes. We can make ACTV meet. I would just add that I have confirmed with town council, he will be attending both that meeting and the town meeting session itself. Thank you. All right, so nothing that can't then wait until Wednesday if anyone has an issue. And without objection, this meeting adjourns at 7.23. Thank you very much.


Box 13 with the star of Paramount Pictures, Alan Ladd, as Dan Holliday. Box 13, care of star times. I don't know whether going after a ghost is your idea of an adventure, but I think I may have one for you. I don't believe in ghosts either. At least I don't think I do. However, if you're interested, my name is Michael Davis. I'm an artist and my studio is at 183 Lincoln Muse. I'm there almost all day. I'm there almost all day and any day. So if you'll drop around, this may be interesting. Michael Davis. So Mr. Michael Davis didn't believe in ghosts. Well, neither did I, until I met Mr. Davis. Back to Box 13 and Dan Holliday's newest adventure, The Haunted Artist. Ghosts? Gee, Mr. Holliday, are there such things? Ever see a bank account after March the 15th? Skip it, Susie. Michael Davis. He says he's an artist. Do you know anything about art, Susie? Well, I've been to the museum where they have that statue of the Venus be the male. That's Venus de Milo. The one without arms? Well, art is long and time is fleeting and the same goes for Dan Holliday. And it looks like a trip to Mr. Michael Davis is in order. See you later, Susie. Half hour later, Michael Davis and I were introducing ourselves and shaking hands. I liked him and he looked like an artist, except when he grinned. Then he looked and seemed a lot younger than his old 33 or 4. And he grinned, as he said. So you advertised for adventure just to get plots for your stories, huh? Yes, that's a general idea. Maybe I'll be able to use yours. Well, this sounds insane, but I think this studio is haunted. Or I am. Why? Do you hear the patter of cold little feet and a clank of chains at night? I wish I did instead of... called common luck. You see that easel in the corner? There's a painting on it. I've got it covered now, but... But what? Well, look. Take a good long look. I did. What I saw was one of those surrealist things. It was a desert with queer figures raising their arms to a brassy sky and a vicious looking sun. Somehow it gave me the shivers. I was staring at it when... Well, Holiday, what do you think of it? What am I supposed to think of it? Meaning you don't like it? Well, I don't know. I hadn't intended you to criticize it. Just look at it and see if you notice anything wrong. Go ahead, I'll keep quiet. I looked again and something did strike me as being a little odd. I moved in for a closer look. Stood there for a moment. Uh-huh. You've got it, Holiday. That stone quarry painted in the right-hand portion of the canvas. Yes, it doesn't belong. I mean, I mean it's out of place. I didn't paint it. Maybe we'd better go over the signals again, Davis. I... I lost the ball on that play. I don't blame you, but it's the truth. I did not paint that quarry in there. Look at it. The technique is different. Yes, the brushwork's not like the rest. Exactly. And that painting has to be done in three days. I've been working on it for seven months and it has to be finished. Why, what's the rush? Well, I've been invited to hang a canvas in the Bernier Galleries. Oh, which means you've arrived. Bernier's being taught what the big leagues is to baseball. Exactly. You see, Holiday, I started the painting seven months ago. Everything was fine for a time. And this stuff. What Davis told me was this. He'd finish work in the evening, cover the painting and turn in. Then in the morning, when he'd take the cover off the canvas, the quarry would be painted in. It happened six times. The last time was the night before he wrote his letter to box 13. He was sure no one had entered his studio during the night. He'd locked his windows and doors, but still it happened. It's driving me crazy. I've lain awake at night trying to catch the person responsible, but nothing doing. He never shows up when I'm waiting for him. Have you told the police? Oh, sure. They thought I was just two steps ahead of the man in the white coat. You're sure you've locked up every night? Look at the door. New locks, two of them. Even the window fasteners are brand new. Those are the only entrances? And exits. No holiday. No one comes in through the doors or windows. I'll swear to it. But someone has to, Davis. Unless... unless I am leaving the rails? No, I don't think so. Thanks. Even my best friends won't tell me that. Well, uh... Michael, darling, I brought dinner. Oh. Come on in, Betty. Here, Mike. Here, take some of these packages. Here. Betty, this is Dan Holiday. Dan, this is my fiancee, Betty Harper. Hello, Dan. And my name is Betty. Well, thanks. I'll use it. Mike, darling, I've invited Kit and Anne for dinner. Is that all right? Sure. Will you stay, Dan? Oh, I'm afraid I can't besides I'm... I'm unexpected. Oh, no, we've got plenty. Spaghetti, salad, wine. Be careful of that bottle, Mike. Here, let me have it. The bag's bursting. Please, I'm not a child. That's a matter of opinion.  Well, I... Oh, please do. We can talk some more about my problem. Problem? Your problem, Mike? Oh, yes. Dan's gonna help about the painting.  There goes the wine. That was clumsy, wasn't it? Accidents will happen, Betty. I can put in that bromide. Oh, Mike, I just remembered. We're to go to the Sutton's after dinner. Huh? Oh, that wasn't a promise. We can't refuse them again. But Dan's gonna... As a matter of fact, I can't stay anyway. I have an engagement, too. Well, all right, but he will return tomorrow, won't you? Sure, I'll be glad to. Good night. Well, well, I like this. It looked good. Especially when Mike's own girlfriend was anxious to deal me out. That Betty didn't want me on the team. As easy to see as the brass button in a collection plate. She didn't drop that bottle of wine. It jumped out of her hands when Mike said I was going to help. Why? I don't have to find that out. I got to my apartment after dinner and sat down to think about it when... Hello? Is this Dan Holliday? Yes, it is. Who's this? Well, never mind. Adjust a moment. Hello? Hello? Holliday, you're to keep away from Michael Davis. Forget the whole thing, understand? Well, frankly, no. Am I supposed to? Well, yes. I mean, look here, Holliday. It'll be awkward for you if you continue. Go on, I'm interested. All right, just remember what I said. Keep away from Michael Davis or you will be sorry. Now listen, this is no joke. But I'm laughing. I warned you. Good night.  Are you kidding, Dan? No, someone called me last night wanted me to keep away from you. Oh, I must have been a joke. Does anyone want to keep this painting out of the burner galleries for some reason? I thought of that. You mean sabotage, sort of? Yeah, that's it. Well, who? No one I know of. You're sure, Mike? Of course. Have you done any work on the canvas today? Yes, I scraped off the stone quarry and started my own work again. Then I've got an idea. What time is it? Four o'clock, why? Got any ceiling wax? Ceiling wax? Well, no, I haven't. Well, can you get some? Well, yes, there's a store a block down the street, but what do you want with ceiling wax? Well, for one thing, we're going to prove there's no ghost. Or... Or what? Or that there is one. Run down, get the wax. All right, you're the boss. Make yourself at home. I'll be back in a few minutes. I worked fast to get the thing done before Mike came back. I took every tube of paint, every brush, every palette I could see and wipe them clean. Then I put them back where they had been, just in time. Mike came back handing me the ceiling wax. Will this be enough, then? Oh, yes, I think so. Okay, now we'll lock all the windows and be sure they're locked. What are you up to? You see, we can find out if someone gets in here while you're asleep. We'll seal the locks and bolts for this wax. Yes, but wax can be broken. It is. We'll know someone came in the windows of the door. Yeah, but the person could reseal the locks. Ceiling wax melts easily enough. Sure, but he couldn't put the imprint of my signet ring back in the wax without getting the ring from me first. And I'm very fond of this ring. Never take it off my finger. Okay, Mike, let's go to work on the windows. All right, that does it. Both windows sealed. If our ghost gets in now, you'll have to break the wax. You know, there's only one thing wrong. What, Mike? I won't be able to sleep tonight. Oh, it'll take something. You've got to sleep because your visitor won't break in unless you do. Dan, suppose those seals aren't broken in the morning, but the painting's been changed anyway. What then? Uh, we both apply for an outside cell. Now, don't do anything more on your painting. And don't touch a thing. Why not? You want me to help you, don't you? Certainly. Then ask no questions and do as I say. And tomorrow morning, we may have an answer. It was 11 o'clock that night before I left Mike's studio. He had taken a set of divins and was sleeping like a baby. I turned off the lights, checked the seals in the windows. All OK? I let myself out, tried the door. Locked, but good. Then I took the sealing wax and knelt the hung of it to go over the keyholes. And I pressed my signet ring against the wax. I even forced wax into the crack above the door. Initialed that. Michael Davis was sealed in. And whoever, or whatever was doing the dirty work, was sealed out. I hoped. When I got home, I set my alarm for five the next morning. It went off all right. Stumbled out of my bed into my clothes and drove to Davis's studio. I wanted to get there before he woke up. I did, because when I listened to his door, there wasn't a sound. I looked carefully at the seals I'd put there the night before. Well, they were intact. I'll swear to it. Then I rang his buzzer. He was quite a sleeper. Well, he'd taken something and... Who is it? Why don't you come back in a week? It's Dan, Mike. Let me in. Do you always get up this early? I have a contract with the park commissioners to wake up the birds. Fine. It shouldn't happen to a vulture. Sleep all right? Oh, like a top. Distributed all? Nope. Okay. Let's look at the seals. You bet. Well, this one's all right. Mm-hmm. So is this one. And the seals on your door were intact too. Now, take the cover off the painting, Mike. Uh... What if it's been changed again? If it has, I'll buy you a new hat. I... I wear a size seven and three eighths. And make it a gray one. Back to the haunted artist, another box 13 adventure with Alan Ladd as Dan Holliday. Well, the painting was changed. Davis Swarie hadn't done it, and I believed him. But if he hadn't, okay, there had to be an answer. I took all the tubes of paint, brushes and pallets with me when I left, Davis. Also, the painting itself. I wouldn't tell him why. Lieutenant Kling of police headquarters was more curious. What are you doing? Taking a home course and detective work? Yes, I'm on my fourth lesson. It's entitled, How to Be a Nosey Cop. What's the gag, Holliday? Look, there's no gag. I just left a guy who's biting his nails so badly he was working on his elbow a few minutes ago. Kling, run fingerprint tests on those tubes and brushes and pallets. Then compare them with a prints on this glass, will you? Whose glass is it? It belongs to an artist's friend of mine. I swiped it when he wasn't looking. What have you got in that big package? A body. Whose? All right, it's a painting. And you don't know anything about art. I knew an artist's model was. She wasn't as bad as she was painted. Okay, so I don't slay him. All right, I'll laugh at your joke. Now will you do me that favor? Okay, okay. Fingerprint tests on the tubes, brushes and pallets. Compare them with prints on the glass, right? How soon can I have them? For anybody else in a half an hour. For you, three hours, okay? Great. Be back in three hours. After leaving Kling, I went to the Star Times and learned the name of an art expert. An hour later, I showed him Mike's painting. That is quite good. Yours? No, it's a friend of mine's. Good brushwork. Excellent composition. Wonderful color. And with this, this has no place in the picture. Look, I've got a lot of things to do. What I want you to do is look at the painting and tell me whatever you can about it. I'll pay you, of course. Oh, very well. But it will take maybe two hours to do a good job.  Oh, yeah, sure, sure, sure. I'll be back in two hours. Well, it was a miracle, Ron. From Kling to the art expert from him back to Kling.  Haven't you finished? Sure. There's your stuff and here's the report. What's the matter with you? Kling, there's no mistake about this report, sir. Mistake? Look, Dan, our boy knows his business. Bet on it. Anything you like. Weren't... Weren't there any other prints at all? None. The prints on the paint tubes and the rest of that stuff were the same as on the glass. All from the same person. But it can't be. I've got news for you. It is. The only person who could have touched those tubes and brushes was Davis himself. Yet why should he sabotage his own painting? One that meant so much to me. And yet... he was asleep when it happened. Or was he? I stopped thinking about it then. I had to get back to the art expert and find out something. It was a day of surprise because when I saw him... Yeah, a fine thing. They pushed me and they took your painting. Ah, who? I'm standing here looking when they come in. I have no time to see who they are. When they push me, they grab the canvas and they're gone. Did you call the police? Yeah, yeah, the police come but I can tell them nothing. I... I don't mind, I don't mind. Were they men? The ones who took the painting?  You're sure there was a woman? Young man. I'm an art expert but I also know other things. I know a woman when I see one even for a second. All right. Now remind them now. What did you find out about the painting? Well, not much. I had not much time but I can tell you this. I think that the right side of the picture was painted by somebody other than the one who painted the rest. You mean that stone quarry wasn't painted by the same artist who did the rest of the picture? I do not think so. There's a different technique, one that is familiar and I think I recognize it. You do? Well, what's his name? The one who painted the quarry. It's a peculiar technique. Some years ago I handled some paintings by this man and... All right, all right. Who is he? Luigi Antonetti. Oh, where can I get in touch with him? Well... What? I want to see him. Where can I reach him?  Luigi Antonetti is dead. Oh, that was great. One more twist like that and I need a corkscrew to take off my hat. There was one person who could answer a few questions for me. Betty Harper. I got her address from Davis and told him to hold base until he heard from me. I guess Betty didn't expect me. Mr. Holliday, I... I was just getting ready to go out. Correct, and you just came in. Where's that painting? Painting? What are you talking about? Betty, I, uh... Oh, hello. Hello. Kit, this is Dan Holliday. Kit says Mr. Holliday. How are you, Holliday? Oh, that voice. The voice of doom over the phone. Well, really, I... Kit, that was a bad job. Well, I... Be quiet, Kit. Where's that painting? Now, Mr. Holliday...  Now, really, it was a joke, wasn't it, Betty? Mr. Holliday kept really thought he was helping out in a practical joke. Well, wasn't I? Look, will you go? Now, Holliday... Oh. All right. But I must say, it all turned out very stupidly. Okay, Betty. So you've got the painting. Yes. Now, will you please let me alone? Will you let Mike alone? Not before I find out what's going on. What if I told you his career would be ruined? His life ruined, too. Would you still go on? Maybe I don't believe that. But you've got to. I love Mike, and I'm trying to help him. Help him? Look, if Mike doesn't finish that painting, it won't hang in the burners' galleries. What becomes of his career then? You're robbing him of his chance, not helping him. Then I'll rob him of it. I'd rather do that than... Than what? I said enough. Oh, please, please, you've got to believe me, Dan. All I want is for Mike to be happy. And all I want to know is what's going on. And what does Luigi Antonetti have to do with all this? How did you find that out? It doesn't matter. Is Luigi Antonetti still alive? He's dead. And how can he paint that quarry on Mike's canvas? Get out of here! You get out! All right. All right, but I'll find out.  Now get out! That was all from Betty. I would have bet my last penny she was doing what she was doing for Mike. But why? Then I got an idea. Find out about Luigi Antonetti. I looked him up. Found out he'd lived in a small town about 250 miles away. He'd painted there. Okay, so I drove to the little town. Sure, I found out. He was dead all right. I was even shown his grave, and when I looked at it, I... I wanted to reach back and chip the icicles away. I wanted to reach back and chip the icicles off my spine. How could a dead man paint? There was only one answer. He couldn't. Then I learned something else. Antonetti had a pupil. A pupil named Michael Davis. More questions, and finally I found an old school teacher who remembered. Michael, of course. Wonderful boy. Luigi Antonetti taught him painting. He said Michael had a brilliant career ahead of him. I see. Well, Mr. Evans, do you know what became Michael? I think he went to the city, although I haven't heard. When did he go? I believe shortly after he graduated from high school. That must be 16 years ago. Yes, it was right after his best friend was killed. His what? Yes, poor boy. Fell into the old quarry. Quarry? Stone quarry? Yes, it was one night after a senior party. I think, yes. Both lads, Michael and Arthur, were in love with the same girl, you see. Would her name be Betty Harper? No, it's amazing you should know that, yes. How about this, Arthur? Well, it was quite dark. Arthur, I believe, went back to get something. The bridge across the quarry must have broken. Michael was upset for days, even though Arthur was his rival for Betty. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Evans. You'll excuse me, but I've got to hurry. I had an idea, but I had to put more pieces together. So I went back to the city and back to the art expert. Yeah, yeah, it's not only possible, Mr. Holliday. It's quite probable in his early years he would use his teacher's technique. Next stop, the psychiatrist. Certainly, Mr. Holliday, that's quite possible. There are numerous case histories similar to it in general form. Now things began to fit together. The different technique that of a dead man, yet only Davis' fingerprints on the tubes and brushes. Betty's concern and a willingness to see his career stop rather than have me find out the reasons for everything that happened. But I had to bring the whole thing out in the open. So later on, Mike's studio. Let me get this straight, Dan.  Yes, you are, Mike. Don't listen to him, Mike. Now please, old. What's the matter with all of you? Mike, you've got to listen to me. And he's got to listen to me and Dr. Rawlings. Why did you bring a doctor? I'm not only a doctor, Mr. Davis, I'm a psychiatrist. Sick. Are you trying to tell me I'm crazy? No, no, of course you're not. But you will be if you don't let us help. Now listen, you want your career, don't you? Certainly. All right, you won't have it if you don't let us help. It won't be helping. Oh, Mike, send them away, please. Mike, Mike, do you remember a person named Arthur Denning? Denning? Denning. No, I don't. Now will you let him alone? Betty, believe me, this is better for him. Ask Dr. Rawlings. Tell him, Dr. Rawlings. I'm sure Mr. Davis has a guilt complex. Oh, yes. Unless we find out why he'll never finish this painting. Perhaps never finish any other. Why not? What would stop me? Your own mind, Mr. Davis. Mike, you know as well as I that no one came into your studio the night we sealed it up. No one. You were the only person in here. Now do you see? Not quite. What do you want me to do? Dr. Rawlings told Mike what had to be done. Davis agreed. It took only a few seconds for Rawlings to inject a drug into Davis's arm. Then we waited, waited until... All right, he's under. You asked the question, Mr. Holliday. Mike, Mike, can you hear me? Yes. Now listen, Mike, it's 16 years ago. You're in high school, a senior. There's a senior party. It's night. Remember? Yes. It's dark. Who's with you, Mike? Betty. Betty and Arthur. What happened that night, Mike? I killed Arthur. I don't know. Be quiet.  He had to go back for something. I told him take the shortcut over the quarry. Then what happened? I forgot. You forgot what? The bridge. The bridge was broken. It was dangerous, but I forgot. I wouldn't have sent him. Yes, I know. He was killed, wasn't he? Yes. I loved Betty, so did he. Everyone would have said I killed him, but I didn't. I didn't. I just forgot about the bridge. I didn't mean... All right, that's all. I... I thought he did it deliberately. He refused to admit his guilt, so he completely forgot. He forgot to protect him from guilt. He learned painting from Luigi Antonetti 16 years ago. It was natural at first that he used Antonetti's technique. Then 16 years later, his mind goes back. Back into the past. He controls his hand. He paints as he did 16 years ago. But he paints that quarry. The quarry which was associated in his mind with his guilt. Or what he thought was his guilt. No. What about now? Now? When he wakes up, we'll tell him and he'll be all right. For good. The gallery show have come several new painters of distinction. Not the least of them is Michael Davis, whose intensity of feeling and whose brilliant work... That's good enough, Susie. Well, it looks like he's all right, doesn't it? Gee, isn't the human mind wonderful? Well, it depends on which way you look at it. Uh-huh. I was psychoanalyzed once. Oh, and what did you find out? We've got a lot of mail to open, Mr. Holiday. Oh, good night, Susie. Next week, same time, Alan Ladd stars as Dan Holiday in Box 13. Alan Ladd appears through the courtesy of Paramount Pictures. He's performed in his latest picture, Saigon. Box 13 is directed by Richard Sanville, with an original story by Russell Hughes. An original music composed and conducted by Rudy Schrager. The part of Susie is played by Sylvia Picker, that of Lieutenant Kling by Edmund MacDonald. Production is supervised by Vern Carstensen. This is a Mayfair production from Hollywood.


Backroads is made possible by the Minnesota Arts and Cultural Heritage Fund with money by the vote of the people November 4th 2008 Out of space she said there's just one thing I want for you to know I'm Caj Jamber. I Live in Bemidji. I've been playing guitar since I was in elementary school And I would say the sound that I am gravitating towards is the sound that I heard on the radio in the CDs as a young child so my parents played a lot of folk and rock and blues in the house and I've picked up on differences in those genres and I'm able to make kind of a folky sound or Leaning more towards rock or blues in some songs and then also in some of my compositions being in band and orchestra in school has helped develop my ear a little bit and pushed me more towards a Well around it. I don't know different genres of music influenced it And when did you first pick up the guitar? I've had guitars in my house since I was born So, you know a little kids will just go strumming the strings and not know what they're doing It's more of a drum than a stringed instrument at that point in time, but I played ukulele in What must have been third grade and they told us it's the same four strings on a guitar and so we learned basic chords in third grade and I could take those home and Put them on the guitar wrote my first song I like my eggs with ketchup on top just using two of the chords you learned in ukulele class and the rhythm ended up being I Like my eggs with ketchup on top and that's the whole song and then I went from there and self-taught Learning more chords on the guitar sky is a painting with treetops invading Ink spots creating and I will drinking caffeine with sugar and cream You're the stitch in my seam and I will You're not around can't be seen at all With your garden in the ground and your Sounds our love will sing talk our hearts. They were bound by the Feeling the tease on the stove the bikes that we rode you fell asleep. Well, I drove I will Sounds our love will sing talk They were bound by the feelings of you start performing in front of audiences I would have to say thanks to being an orchestra and in band getting on the stage at a young age like that kind of Gave me that confidence and the ability to be on a stage and then in middle school. We had some Benefit concerts for different events at school and I was asked to play some songs and that was Probably played three songs but I remember being really nervous and it was like the biggest day of my life and I You know, I wore special clothes for it and played my three songs and that was the first time I played in front of audience of you know, my friends and my parents basically 12 years old I played half of my set acoustic and half of it electric With my dad playing drums and that was really fun And I've had my acoustic guitar for most of my life and I would write songs on that And I didn't think anything of it just wrote songs was what I knew and then I saw in Craigslist Somebody posted an electric guitar in an amp So I went and looked at it and ended up buying it and I brought it home and I plugged it in and I had no clue That it would be like a whole new World it's like I went from using a watercolor brush to a permanent marker So it's like I can make these crazy new sounds and I can make these new textures and it really Pushed me to write a different way So if I'm writing a song with my electric guitar with the amplifier and the distortion on my brain Thinks about it differently and I have different feelings and emotions that go into it when I'm writing on my acoustic guitar It's the same thing. I'm sitting down and my brain is wired differently when I have that instrument in my hands Depends on my mood. Sometimes I'll go home and just want to play by a campfire or make a beautiful melody Other times I want to you know make really awesome textures with different distortions and echoes and reverbs that kind of thing Never too late to learn an instrument or put yourself out there play it the wrong way play it the right way however you want to play it create something with it and if you know of anybody in your life that's experimenting with music or trying to put themselves out there with arts in any way and just really be supportive of that and Know that there are venues in in northern Minnesota that are very caring and compassionate places to expose your art to the world for the first time it is made possible by the Minnesota Arts and Cultural Heritage Fund with money by the vote of the People November 4th 2008 if you enjoy watching back roads online, please consider making a tax deductible donation at lptv.org You


And it's kind of split between mornings and afternoons. So the first part of the program is the St. Thomas University language courses, their credit. So all of our students have to meet college entrance requirements with St. Thomas University before they can come into the program. The second half is more cultural slash traditional activities. And we use that as a means of teaching students traditional activities. I don't like using the word art, crafts, in that sense. Because at one time, that's not what it was. So they learn different aspects of malice history, culture, activities that our people used to do. And also as a language lab. So they can use what they've learned in the morning and get the instructors try to reinforce it in the afternoon. So then we also, for the second part, will bring in others from outside of the program, such as an elder or a craftsperson, to teach activities that do go beyond the scope of what the instructors are able to teach. So for example, while they may have made baskets in the past, the instructors wouldn't not know how to teach that. So we would get somebody to come in. And we teach basically just the basics of an activity. So for example, today, they're gone to pick red willow, which is traditionally used as tobacco. So they'll go and they'll learn about red willow. And then what they'll do is they'll scrape it. And they've just recently made tobacco poaches. So they'll use that to put in the tobacco poach. And then that activity will be complete. So in the future, some activities that we have planned would be making ash baskets, hand drums. They're going to learn to snare. They're not actually going to snare, but they'll learn how to snare because there are men in the program and women, too, who are very interested in the hunting and fishing and gathering aspects of our culture, right? But have not had any opportunity to engage in that type of activity. I guess that's what it boils down to. So I mean, we have really kind of strict guidelines for entrance. We have an application process that needs to be gone through. So they have to fill out an application. They have to write an essay, a 200-word essay, why they want to take the program, what they plan to do with it, when they're done, how they're going to give back to the community, which is all in efforts for revitalization and preservation of the language and culture. And not just for people in the community, but for people everywhere. So over the past, we started in 2011. And each program is two years. So we went 2011 to 13, 2013 to 15, 15 to 17. And now we're on 17 to 19. Without all of the funders, the program as a whole right now wouldn't be possible. Like, Ray, we would have the St. Mary's, St. Thomas part but without the Department of Canadian Heritage who has given us generous funding over the last six years. They make the afternoons possible. So it does form a complete, comprehensive program for both linguistic and cultural competency, I guess. So you guys must teach about the Jewish food students. They do. Yeah, they do. In the fall of the programs, they go out and they'll pick river grapes. They'll go pick blueberries, blackberries, butternuts, all kinds of medicine and tea leaves. Yeah, yeah. And then they'll learn how to cook Indian soup, Indian corn soup, although corn's hard to get. And I think we did move stew once, but we were going to try for muskrat stew, but it was like a no-go. We even got the muskrat, but nobody was like. So there are some things that, you know, but there are people who still do muskrat stew and eat it, right? So, but, you know, the younger ones today, I guess, are interested. So yeah, so I kept a muskrat in a freezer for a while, and then it just didn't blow over. And the same with snaring, too. We tried it last year. And weather permitting, of course, as well. But a lot of people were like, I'm not going to kill no rabbit, right? You know, that's how the environment and conditions of our environments change, right? Because we've been told that to do that is wrong. But we've lived that way for millennia. Our people, like, rob it, right? Because they had to. That was what they ate. So a lot of students were, like, really apprehensive about doing that activity. So we just kind of put it down, OK, but we'll teach you how to set up the snares. So if you want to go ahead and do it on your own, so be it. So that's what we'll go ahead with this year. You have said that age groups pretty much. Well, the age groups is adult. It is an adult program, so 18. And although we have tried to stop the age around 50 to 55, there's reasons. We kind of always let that slide, right? Because I mean, nobody really should ever be denied their language. But at the same time, we are a program where you have to meet college criteria. So if you can't meet that, then, unfortunately, you can't be in the program. So what we have found is a lot of older people have proven difficult to master or even come close to mastering. The native language is the second language. It is only open to those of malicean ancestry. Hopefully in the future, that we can look at extending that beyond the scope of our communities. It depends on how much work they put into it, too. This language is not easy. And it's not easy to learn as a second language. So it depends on the amount of work that you put into it. It's what you're going to take out of it. The aim of the program is for the preservation or revitalization of the malicean language. Our language is now above-critically endangered. So in worldwide, I think we might have 500 fluent speakers. There's all kinds of people who can say hello or see later or thank you. And there are people who are able to understand what other people are saying, but can't speak it. You know what I mean? So right now, we are above-critical, and we have to do something. So hence, Andrea is starting this program. And now, we have seen other communities and other people doing different things within the language, like Ron's starting his thing, right? And people have reached out to you. Not so much reached out. No, because there's a lot. As much as people who would say the program was exemplary, there would be people out there who would say these are the opposite. And that's one thing you have to take into consideration, is everybody's got an opinion in who's is right and who's is wrong. We're just all we're trying to do is promote the language, preserve what language we've got, revitalize what language we've got. It opens students up to a post-secondary education, which some of them may never have done before. And over the last few years, too, we're starting to see family connections. Like while Tony and Alma took the program together. So there was a grandmother and a granddaughter. And then now Tony's teaching. Now her aunt is a student. So previous students, we had one girl last year. Now her brother is taking it this year. A girl last year. Now a sister is taking the program. So we're starting to actually build some connections between family members who have taken the program and who are now taking the program. And I think that that's great, because that's kind of the start. But in all actuality, we have no child speakers in this community, none. So that's when you hit the critical and above critical conditions. So that's what that program that we were talking about earlier. Andrea is trying to get into putting immersion in preschool levels. What, in your opinion, makes it an example of excellence in indigenous education? I wouldn't even know how to answer that. I think it's community-based. So there's one. It reaches out to a wide range of age group. It opens up the possibility of going beyond the two years here at a post-secondary level. Students have come here and then have moved on to post-secondary in different fields, like even at the Croft College. Because of all the activities that we teach, it's kind of given people a little personal knowledge about themselves that, oh, I didn't know I could do that. And language is what connects you and me. It connects you and me to the land. It connects us to all of our ancestors and to the future generations. And with that, I think that students, and this is just from watching them, have gained a better sense of identity, of who they are and where they come from. And sometimes, why things are the way that they are. So there has been an aspect of healing, small amounts. But it's working. And in the lieu of residential schools, I can't speak personally to that. But there are a lot of, we've had one, a few students who were residential school survivors. And the impact showed, I don't know if that's a word. Is it showed? Through in their ability to speak. They weren't able to. They had a hard time. Some were latent speakers. There was this, we had one woman, and she could pretty much understand. But if you went to test her, or even just going around the room in demonstration, she'd just come up. But she could understand what was being said. So there's all different aspects that you hit on. And we've learned a lot in the last six years of what to do, what not to do. And so we're putting those best practices in so that we can provide positive experience for the student. If we give them a positive experience, then they're more apt to be more successful. And you know, we're different than the other people out there. I'm sorry about we are. And every aspect, from social, economic, to political, to, and it all affects us. And the language is common, is one common kind of, well, it should be the free zone type of thing. You know what I mean? Even though it's not, there's still, you know, there's critics out there. So I just think that being able to provide positive experience and providing, being able to work with students to the best of the instructor's abilities. Because going into post-secondary, you have people who have never been there. You've had people who have been there. And what's expected. So just being able to work with them and just seeing the students' engagement and things. Like a lot of students take the program because they want to make, you know, a job. Or that's what they draw to the program is not just learning the language, but learning the traditional activities as well. Just out of curiosity, a question that you had, or an answer that you had said before where you said there were positive and negatives. Like you learned the positive and the negatives when you were teaching the language, what were they? What do you mean? Like you said, when you got over first starting. Well, for example, in the first, in our pilot project, we had instructors who were all elder. So one, like Victor, he came in to teach this program. Had just learned to read and write it in the teeter system, okay? Because we use teeter orthography in our program, not past McQuaddy writing system, okay? So there is a difference. So like he had to come and learn to read and write it, and then he came in and taught, okay? Now there were other elders that came in and taught, but they couldn't connect with students. They didn't have any class management skills. Didn't know how to deal with problems that might arise, students not showing up, and would voice them in front of people. And do you know what I mean? So like there were issues there with class management skills, and we rectified those. We got a course in class management from a professor at St. Thomas in the education department, and I took it along with the instructors and we were like, oh really? That was something we learned. And then so the first in the pilot project, in the second year, we put out a notice to accept semi-fluent speakers. So they were brought in, interviewed, tested a bit for their language skills. We brought them in, not a great idea, okay? There was I think two people who actually were brought in in that second year who finished completely. But not only did it prove unsuccessful for them, it also held back the first years because we thought that these people would be up to speed with everything that we've gone over so that didn't work out. So we learned, okay, so once we bring somebody in in the first year, these are the people we go with for two years. Without bringing in anybody new. Came along ways. We've had people who couldn't teach, learned to teach, and now we have students who took the program who are now teaching with the guidance of our very first lead instructor. So I mean, that's progress in and of itself. That's a positive, I guess. What's your vision for Indigenous education? Well, I can only speak to this program. So that's what I'll speak, is that, you know, I hope that this program continues to the point where we have people conversing in malice to one another wherever they go. So for example, I went to a language conference in Halifax in the fall. There was a lot of Mi'kmaq people there from different Nova Scotia communities. I'm not quite sure if there was any Mi'kmaq from New Brunswick, but one from one community talked to another from another community. Some of, and they didn't, they chose to speak in their own language. They didn't choose English. Like, how lucky is that? That's what I'd like to see is, and we've had students from different communities. We've had some Woodstock people take the program in the past, and we now have some more Makdo people taking the program now, this year. So I mean, we're kind of, it's not just clothes, it's not St. Mary's. But it would be just, that's what I'd like to see it. And then to see these people who have taken the program get involved in creating that child speaker. That is the goal. When we can start to create child speakers in a community. That's when we can only begin to see a language shift taking place. What information, materials, resources do you need to achieve this vision? Well, aside from funding, which is like the major thing that we need. Well, I think that we need to have all of our Malseat communities on the same page. I think that people who express the interest in learning the language, however they learn it, I'm not just saying that this is the program to take. There's all kinds of different ways that people can learn their languages these days. This is not the only way. So I just don't want everybody to think that I'm just sitting here promoting this program and putting down everybody else's, because I'm not doing that. But if those people who express a desire to learn the language, that they give it away, and that we learn to speak to each other in Malseat, in our native tongue, I guess. So I mean, you have to have that. So you have to have people's desires to want to learn the language, to want to be able to go out into a community, whatever community, and teach what they know. So maybe they don't know a lot, but teach what you know, and just make sure it's right. You know, right now, with Jolene coming on board full time this year, and she has a BED, so she has the experience that our previous instructors don't have, like the ability to set up a classroom and to find different resources that will contribute to people learning better in more effective ways. So there isn't a lot of that in Malseat right now. We should be in charge of our own education of our children, for one. So in having to do that, it should be in our language for two. Do parents agree with that? No, because I mean their experience with residential schools, their experience of their own education, their parents' education is generational. It's come down the line, and whether or not you know it or I know it, we're affected, we really are. So that is something that should be done too, but in order to do that, you need everything in Malseat. You need books, you need curriculum, you need music, you need computer, you know, everything needs to be in a system in which Malseat can be expressed. So until all that is done, how much will we learn, how much will we teach? It might be limited right now, but I think that the more people who get in to learning their language and can go out into different aspects of the community at large, not just their Malseat community and in telecommunications or like on a computer or in an app or an iPhone or, and to put that all in there, in the language, because that will only contribute to other people being able to learn the language. So that's what I see, but with no funding, none of it's possible, unless the chiefs get together and come to the decision that this is what we need, and these are the amount of dollars that are gonna go. I mean, you probably have to look at Indian affairs and we still haven't got any real promises from Truth and Reconciliation. Where's all those promises? A lot of things need to be, a lot of things need to be done in order for us to continue. And right now language seems to be all the hype and let's hope that it's not just a fad. And another thing too is elders need to come forward because the stage has been set for elders, knowledge keepers, artisans to receive money for everything they do. And it's not cheap. I mean, we have great artists from here, no, their work shouldn't be free. But I mean, if the elders who know the language, they need to come forward and somehow share that without the expectation of a monetary payment because not everybody has that, those means. That's another thing. I mean, in Tobic, where you're from, they would have the most speakers out of all the communities. And I think the most elders, right? I mean, our speaking elders are getting fewer and far between as of right now, like there's not very many from St. Mary's at all. And I mean, language is a life learning process. So I mean, as much as Tony and Jolene can teach the language, they'll never stop learning themselves. So there's something else we need. We need to have more instruction for those who teach the language, especially newer language learners like Tony and Jolene, who've only been speaking for about five years. We need to keep them learning and learning and learning above and beyond what they're doing right now. So like if you take an elder who is teaching in an elementary school, they might know how to teach orally, but do they know how to teach on an app or do you know what I mean? In other ways and means that are more functional in today's society. So that's another thing.


Absolutely. A lot of great weapons. Obviously, our guys are back. Keenan Island and Mike Evans. I mean, Mike Williams is playing really well, but Palmer has been the guy who stepped up since they've been gone. Really made a lot of plays. And even the return man, De'Andre Carter, who's got in there. He's got some yarders out there as well. And obviously, Austin Eckler, who's a really good saves vibe. Got over 90 catches there running back. But obviously, everything's going to start with the quarterback, a guy who's literally has probably the best arm in the league. I would say I think he has the best arm in the league. But I mean, it's relative to him, Josh, I don't know whatever, but he can make the throw from anywhere across the field. He can roll over to one side and throw the ball 80 yards down the field. Lee arm talent.  And you know, two teams trying to solidify your playoff position and they're training it in. How fun are these type of games this time of year? Yeah, I mean, all games are fun, in my opinion. But yeah, just going to get some explosive offense, you know, in LA should be a good, you know, good vibes out there.  So hopefully to go out there and try to recreate some of that badge that we did last time we was playing in LA.  How much has that been emphasized this week? Yeah, we had to handle our business on our end.  We had to go out there and find ways to get Ws. That's the bottom line. We can find a way to strain together some wins. We'll win our division and we'll have, we'll still be able to accomplish everything we want to accomplish this season. Kevin, you look around and it's like, you know, coach said Zico might be limited today and start working his way back. Zach opens his window to practice. Do you look around and start counting? Okay, maybe somebody's coming back or you just focus on your task at hand? Yeah, it's kind of hard to do that because it's felt like it's been like that all season. It's like somebody's returning to play. Somebody goes on IR or something like that. So in the midst of all that, Zico only can just focus on what I can do every single week to try to up my play and help this team out as much as I can at every level of the defense. So that's all I worry about. Obviously, it'd be great to have all those guys back. I mean, we've had, you know, a lot of our starters go out on the IR and get injured, but it'll be great to have all those guys back. But not something I can really focus on because if I get too excited and they practice all week and then they don't get activated, then I don't want to be riding that wave of, you know, emotions and things like that. You know, get to meet him, get to know him at all? Of course I met him. I went up there every time I went. It was a good connection. You know, I'm sad to see.  You know, he impacted a lot of lives. You know, I said a lot of different stories on him.   So, he was a good guy. Like I said, he told me like three different stories in like 30 seconds.   Every time I go back, I felt at home even with him and his new staff. So, like I said, I hate it happen, especially for his family and like I said, the whole Mississippi State family. On the game, when you look at the film from these last three games where you guys haven't been affecting the quarterback as much, was there any commonality, anything that was just that you say, hey, this has got to get better?  You know, the couple of times he was screaming around, made a throw in the sideline. But, I mean, we went back and watched film. I mean, I think when we talk about affecting the quarterback, it's more ways to affect the quarterback than sacks. You know, quarterback getting the ball off in two seconds.   I mean, we had some good rushes, quarterback get up grid of the ball. So, win now, I think that's our next step in our game. And, you know, get back to what we were doing early in the season, you know, even with Tarr, you know, he had, he was leading the team in battered ball and pass deflection. So, you know, that's when I say it's more way to affect the quarterback, you know, up front, we could do our better job of getting our hands up at quarterback wanting to get the ball off fast.  But, like I said, this week here, it's a new week. I take full responsibility in the way we play up front. I'm going to lead it in that room, and this week is a big challenge for us. They throw the ball a lot, and this week we should get, we needed, and we should get back on track. So, I'm excited for this matchup. I got a lot of trust in all guys that we will get back on track, not just up front, but as a whole defense, because, you know, affecting the quarterback, all they left on the field have to be on the same page.  They manipulate the pocket, and this is a team that's really heavy on passing because he's their high caliber player at the quarterback position, so they got to utilize them. So, that'll be their goal is to get the ball out and throw it around to those outside weapons. For you guys, just maybe, even if you can't get to him, just getting your hands up, I think he's, like, one of those guys that for some reason, even how big he is, he's getting passes knocked down. You had a couple, GV, past breakups in that last game, but you guys had to turn those into turnovers, right?  That's just gonna eventually start happening. Some of those shorter passes, guys will get their hands up when they can't get there. But, you know, this week, the goal is to get there. I'm not, if I can't get there, I'll get my hands up, but the goal is to get there as many times as I can this week, and that's what myself and the whole front is focused on in the defense, and that's what will make it happen.  What for you has not been there, and what do you do to get back to that production? You know, I just try to follow along with the game plans and what's coached of us. And different games require different things. Out of the front, you know, it's a team game. You got to be self-listened and do that. And my thing for me, it'll be what I just work it on, what I can do within that system or game plan for the game, because it changes each week. So you just got to look at the film and figure out, even if not in the best situation sometimes with a game plan or even in the best situations, how you can take advantage of all reps and opportunities to rush to pass it, because they're not always there. So I think it'll just be at the end of the year, you look at different games and how they went and what the game plan was, and then you focus on what you could have did better for that specific game plan. You mentioned being self-list. Free Bull kind of mentioned this message this week, individual players doing something to lift the spirits of the team. What did you take away? Is there anything you're doing to kind of lift the spirits of everyone around you or yourself? I mean, first, obviously, things gonna lift the most spirits is winning. But for me, I think the message I got from just all our meetings was, you know, kind of take care of your own, your own house or your own self, and it'll raise everybody else around you and they'll be able to play better and stuff like that. So I think it just starts with yourself and being your toughest critic and worrying about what you can do better without maybe trying to make plays without jeopardizing the defense or getting out of position. And it's just all those things at once. And then if everybody does that, it becomes a group effort of all of them on the same page, you know?