From around the globe, it's theCUBE with digital coverage of DockerCon Live 2020, brought to you by Docker and its ecosystem partners. Hello everyone, welcome to DockerCon 2020. I'm John Furrier with theCUBE. I'm in our Palo Alto studios with our quarantine crew. We have a great lineup here for DockerCon 2020. Virtual event, normally it was in person, face to face. I'll be with you throughout the day from an amazing lineup of content. Over 50 different sessions, cube tracks, keynotes, and we've got two great co-hosts here with Docker, Jenny Bercio and Brett Fisher. We'll be with you all day today, taking you through the program, helping you navigate the sessions. I'm so excited. Jenny, this is a virtual event. We talk about this. Can you believe it? May the internet gods be with us today, and I hope everyone's having an easy time getting in. Jenny, Brett, thank you for- Being here, hey. Yeah. Hi everyone. So great to see everyone chatting and telling us where they're from. Welcome to the Docker community. We have a great day planned for you. Guys, great job getting this all together. I know how hard it is.  I'm blown away by the community at Docker. The amount of sessions that are coming in, the sponsor support has been amazing. Just the overall excitement around the brand and the opportunities given this tough times you were in, it's super exciting again. May the internet gods be with us throughout the day. But there's plenty of content. Brett's got an amazing all day marathon group of people coming in and chatting. Jenny, this has been an amazing journey and it's a great opportunity. Tell us about the virtual event, why DockerCon virtual? Obviously everyone's canceling their events, but this is special to you guys. Talk about DockerCon virtual this year. Yeah, you know, the Docker community shows up at DockerCon every year. And even though we didn't have the opportunity to do an in-person event this year, we didn't want to lose the time that we all come together at DockerCon, the conversations, the amazing content and learning opportunities. So we decided back in December to make DockerCon a virtual event. And of course, when we did that, there was no quarantine. We didn't expect, you know, I certainly didn't expect to be delivering it from my living room. But we were just, I mean, we were completely blown away. There's nearly 70,000 people across the globe that have registered for DockerCon today. And when you look at DockerCon's of past, right? Live events, really, and we're learning are just the tip of the iceberg. And so we're thrilled to be able to deliver a more inclusive, vocal event today. And we have so much planned. I think, Brett, you want to tell us some of the things that you have planned? Well, I'm sure I'm going to forget something because there's a lot going on. But we've obviously got interviews all day today on this channel with John and the crew. Jenny has put together an amazing set of all these speakers all day long in the sessions. And then you have the Captains on Deck, which is essentially the YouTube live hangout where we just basically talk shop. It's all engineers all day long, captains and special guests. And we're going to be in chat talking to you about answering your questions. Maybe we'll dig into some stuff based on the problems you're having or the questions you have. Maybe there'll be some random demos, but it's basically not scripted. It's a all day long unscripted event. So I'm sure it's going to be a lot of fun hanging out in there. Well, guys, I want to just say it's been amazing how you structured this. So everyone has a chance to ask questions, whether it's informal laid back in the captain's channel or in the sessions where the speakers will be there with their presentations. But Jenny, I want to get your thoughts because we have a site out there that's structured a certain way for the folks watching. If you're on your desktop, there's a main stage hero. There's then tracks and Brett's running the captain's tracks. You can click on that link and jump into his session all day long. He's got an amazing set of lineups, leaning back, having a good time. And then each of the tracks, you can jump into those sessions. It's on a clock, but it'll be available on demand. All that content is available if you're on your desktop. If you're on your mobile, it's the same thing. Look at the calendar, find the session that you want. If you're interested in it, you could watch it live and chat with the participants in real time or watch it on demand. So there's plenty of content to navigate through. We do have it on a clock and it will be streaming sessions as they happen. So you're in the moment. And that's a great time to chat in real time. But there's more. Jenny, getting more out of this event, you guys try to bring together the simulation of community. How does the participants get more out of the event besides just consuming some of the content all day today? Yeah, so first set up your profile, put your picture next to your chat handle, and then chat. We have, like John said, we have various setups today to help you get the most out of your experience. Our breakout sessions, the content is prerecorded. So you get quality content and the speakers in chat. So you can ask questions the whole time. If you're looking for the hallway track, then definitely check out the Captain's on Deck channel. And then we have some great interviews all day on theCUBE. So set up your profile, join the conversation and be kind, right? This is a community event. Code of conduct is linked on every page at the top and just have a great day. And Brett, you guys have an amazing lineup on the Captain. So you have a great YouTube channel that you have your stream on. So the folks who are familiar with that can get that either on YouTube or on the site. The chat is integrated in. So you're set up. What do you got going on? Give us the highlights. What are you excited about throughout your day? Take us through your program on the Captain's. That's going to be probably pretty dynamic in the chat too. Take us through. Yeah, yeah. So I'm sure we're going to have lots of stuff going on in chats of no concerns there about having crickets in the chat. But we're going to be basically starting the day with two of my good Dr. Captain friends, Norma Mehta and Laura Taco. And we're going to basically start you out and at the end of this keynote, at the end of this hour and we're going to get you going.  Maybe there's some cool stuff you want to check out and other sessions that are you want to chat and talk with the instructors, the speakers there. And then you're going to come back to us, right? Or go over and check out the interview. So the idea is you're hopping back and forth. And throughout the day, we're basically changing out every hour. We're not just changing out the guests, basically, but we're also changing out the topics that we can cover because different guests will have different expertise. We're going to have some special guests in from Microsoft talk about some of the cool stuff going on there. And basically it's Captain's all day long. And if you've been on my YouTube live show or you've watched that, you've seen a lot of the guests we have on there.  So it's going to be fun. Awesome. And the content again has been preserved. You guys had a great session on call for paper sessions. Jenny, this is good stuff. What other things can people do to make it interesting? Obviously we're looking for suggestions. Feel free to chirp on Twitter about ideas that can be done. But you guys got some surprises. There's some selfies. What else, what's going on? Any secret surprises throughout the day? There are secret surprises throughout the day. You'll need to pay attention to the keynotes. Brett will have giveaways. I know our wonderful sponsors have giveaways planned as well in their sessions. Hopefully, right? You feel conflicted about what you're going to attend. So do know that everything is recorded and will be available on demand afterwards. So you can catch anything that you miss. Most of them will be available right after they stream the initial time. All right, great stuff. So they've got the Docker selfies. So the Docker selfies, the hashtag is just DockerCon, hashtag DockerCon. You feel like you want to add some other hashtags? No problem. Check out the sessions. You can pop in and out. The captains is kind of the cool kids are going to be hanging with Brett and then all the knowledge and learning. Don't miss the keynote. The keynote should be solid. We got James Governor from Redmonk delivering a keynote. I'll be interviewing him live after his keynote. So stay with us. And again, check out the interactive calendar. All you got to do is look at the calendar and click on the session you want. You'll jump right in, hop around, give us feedback. We're doing our best. Brett, any final thoughts on what you want to share to the community around what you got going on, the virtual event, just random thoughts? Yeah, so sorry we can't all be together in the same physical place, but the coolest thing about us doing this online is that we actually get to involve everyone. So as long as you have a computer and internet, you can actually attend DockerCon if you've never been to one before. So we're trying to recreate that experience online. Like Jenny said, the code of conduct is important. So, you know, we're all in this together with the chat. So try to be nice in there. These are all real humans that have feelings just like me. So let's try to keep it cool. And over in the captain's channel we'll be taking your questions and maybe playing some music, playing some games, giving away some free stuff while you're in between sessions learning. So yeah. And I got to say props to your rig. You got an amazing setup there, Brett. I love what your show you do.  Jenny, sponsors, the ecosystem response to this event has been phenomenal. The attendance, 67,000. We're seeing a surge of people hitting the site now. So if you're not getting in, just, you know, just wait, we're going to crank through the queue. But the sponsors and the ecosystem really deliver it on the content side and also the support. You want to share a few shout outs on the sponsors who really kind of helped make this happen. Yeah, so definitely make sure you check out the sponsor pages and you go, each page is the actual content that they will be delivering. So they are delivering great content to you. So you can learn and a huge thank you to our platinum and gold sponsors. Awesome. Well, I got to say, I'm super impressed. I'm looking forward to the Microsoft, Amazon sessions which are going to be good. And there's a couple of great customer sessions there. And you know, I tweeted this out last night and I'd like to get you guys reaction to this because, you know, there's been a lot of talk around the COVID crisis that we're in, but there's also a positive upshot to this is Cambrian explosion of developers that are going to be building new apps. And I said, you know, apps, apps aren't going to just change the world. They're going to save the world. So a lot of the theme here is the impact that developers are having right now in the current situation. You know, if we get the goodness of compose and all the things going on in Docker and the relationships, this really impact happening with the developer community. And it's pretty evident in the program and some of the talks and some of the examples how containers and microservices are certainly changing the world and helping save the world, your thoughts. Yeah, so if you, I think we have a, like you said, a number of sessions and interviews in the program today that really dive into that. And even particularly around COVID, Clemente Biondo is sharing his company's experience from being able to continue operations in Italy when they were completely shut down at the beginning of March. We have also in the CUBE channel, several interviews about from the National Institute of Health and precision cancer medicine at the end of the day. And you just can really see how containerization and developers are moving in industry and really humanity forward because of what they're able to build and create with advances in technology. And the first responders in these days as developers, Brett Compose is getting a lot of traction on Twitter. I can see some buzz already building up. There's huge traction with Compose, just the ease of use and almost a call for arms for integrating into all the system language libraries. I mean, what's going on with Compose?  I mean, it seems to be really tracking in terms of demand and interest. Yeah, it's, I think we're over 700,000 Compose files on GitHub. So it's definitely beyond just the standard Docker run commands. It's definitely the next tool that people use to run containers. Just by having, and that's not even counting everything, that's just counting the files that are named Docker Compose YAML.  And the nice thing is is Docker's doubling down on that. So we've gotten some news recently from them about what they want to do with opening the spec up, creating more companies involved because Compose has already gathered so much interest from the community. AWS has importers, there's Kubernetes importers for it. So there's more stuff coming and we might just see something here in a few minutes. All right, well, let's get into the keynote. Guys, jump into the keynote. If you missed anything, come back to the stream, check out the sessions, check out the calendar. Let's go, let's have a great time, have some fun. Thanks for enjoy the rest of the day. We'll see you soon.


Welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go-to podcast for the most cutting-edge insights in functional and integrative medicine. I'm Dr. Jill Your Host, and in each episode, we dive deep into the heart of healing and personal transformation. Join us as we connect with renowned experts, thought leaders, and innovators on the forefront of medical research, empowering you with knowledge and inspiration on your journey to optimal health. Today, I am so excited to get to know and learn with you, with my host or with my guest, I should say Annette, and may I ask how you pronounce your name? I'm going to say it right. Verbio. Verbio. Yes. Awesome. Thank you. I should have practiced before, but I thought it was a French, sorry. Yeah, it is French. It is. It's beautiful, Verbio, the founder of Posture Pro. She's a Canadian entrepreneur, therapist and internationally recognized posture specialist known for her expertise in restoring the brain-body connection. Her groundbreaking Posture Pro method taught to professionals worldwide incorporates advanced rehab and injury prevention techniques, and her renowned postural evaluation system has a proven track record of eliminating chronic pain, enhancing strength, and improving sports performance. She's collaborated with elite athletes and prominent teams, such as the 49ers, the Florida Gators, and state police officers. She actively contributes to posture, health, and performance research, presenting her work at prestigious conferences through industry events and media.  I'm so excited to talk to you today, because I think a lot of people may not think about posture as like the first line place to go for health. But like I said, I can't wait to learn. Before we dive into all the details on how posture can affect your health, tell us, how did you get interested in this area? What's your story? My story is, as a rehab specialist, I quickly came to realize that the results that I was getting in clinic were short-lived. And this, I guess, forced me to look a little bit deeper and dive a little bit deeper as far as trying to understand how or why I was not able to actually resolve the issue once and for all. I had started noticing that, although the results seemed to be there and there seemed to be some kind of alleviation of the symptoms, they always came back. So I couldn't understand. I would just look at their posture and I was like, but that shoulder is still lower, that hip is still rotated. And so I'm, let's go on the table. Let's try to work on you. Let's do this. Let's do that. And how are you feeling? Oh, I'm much better. Oh yeah, range of motion improved. But nonetheless, the problem would always come back. So I was stunned to find out, especially to realize that the role of the brain and the nervous system is not something that is taught in the schooling system of rehabilitation. We are taught to look at a specific segment or a body part. We're taught that anatomy, we are taught anatomy from a segmental perspective, meaning we're separating the body into different pieces. And we've created therapies that focus on muscles and joints and the way that muscles and joints move. And in theory, this makes a lot of sense. But in a practical setting, this type of approach doesn't address the way that motor control develops in the first place. And it all begins with your brain. So putting the pieces together and starting to incorporate that brain-based approach into my practice is what led me to where I am today. Well, what's so neat is you and so many of my guests, what I see as a common element is this curiosity, right? Like you've seen clinical practice. This is not quite working like we were taught. And like what else is possible?  So let's go back to just posture in general. Tell us a little bit about why is posture so core for everything else that happens in our body, including our brain health? So I don't think, I mean, posture is not something that's really looked at in the context of rehabilitation. The brain-body connection basically stipulates that is a system that works both ways. The brain affects the body and controls the muscles and the joints and gives us a sense of balance. But on the same time, the double highway here is that the body needs to be able to pick up information from the outside world and give that information to the brain so the brain can make the best appropriate decision in regards to your movement and your pattern and your energy consumption and whatnot. So this multi-component sensory system is, in my opinion, what is fundamentally missing in rehab or when we're talking about prevention or global health or wellness, because I have found that when someone is in pain or has an imbalance or is suffering of chronic pain, there is always an imbalance with that sensory motor system, that brain-body connection. Now, what differentiates our approach from other approaches is that we focus on influencing the subconscious proprioceptive system, proprioception being your sense of perception of where your body is in space, whereas traditional methods, such as the ones that I was taught, will often target the conscious proprioception. And I found that for me, this is what has made the greatest difference in my practice and certainly with the results that I've been seeing since 2006. Wow, so this is fascinating. And I want to get my head around, and for those listening too, this is kind of new. But it makes so much sense. I'm just going to give an example in the movie. You can dive into specifics or give us an example. But years and years ago, I had severe low back pain, got MRIs on my back. And of course, it looks horrible to generations. Some narrowing of foramen that are impinging on nerves. And I thought I was destined at 35 years old to have low back pain. Well, today I have none. And it's because of changing movement patterns, changing conscious thought. And I don't even know all the stuff you have to offer, but I'm assuming that's not uncommon to have someone who thinks that they're going to have degeneration or looking at an MRI or picture of the structure and saying, oh, my gosh, this is terrible. But the truth is, it doesn't always relate. So take my example or another example of anyone like that. And how would you go about it? And how would you actually change that perception of pain through your methods? Well, so we begin with someone's body stability. Just to give you a little education on as to what proprioception is. So we'll have our sense of our muscles and our joints will give information to our brain in regards to our body position. And we match this information with what we're seeing. And feet and eyes will affect our sense of balance which is our vestibular system. So if there's, for simplicity purposes, if there is a mismatch between the information going into the brain. So for example, if I'm sitting here and I see a train moving in front of me and I have the perception of is the train moving or am I moving? If there's conflicting information between my sense of balance and my visual system, the part of the body that is going to take the slack will be the muscular system. So if we're living with these, if we're on a daily basis have conflicting information that's arising from our inner ear and our eyes, over time, these imbalances become stuck. Kind of like this muscle imbalances become stuck in that pattern and we learn to live and function and walk with these imbalances. Now we know that movement activates the brain but this is where in the example that you've given if you're moving with a body that is misaligned it's just a question of time before you wear out your muscles and your joints which then will be the pain. So that's your- Okay, that's as I keep going. Well, I'm sorry, I was gonna say, well, that's when you get the MRI and they say, well, hey, you have discol degeneration or degenerative disc disease or whatnot but the point that, I mean, the perspective that we take is what we would wanna prevent that from happening, right? Most people will go into an MRI or we'll get a partial assessment when they have pain but there is a way to prevent this because if we just look at someone's posture and assess them beforehand, then we'd be able to prevent a lot of things. So keep correcting me if I'm wrong because I do not know all of this. You are the expert but I just wanna understand it. So my thought is that if you are walking around and you're structurally not aligned and you're getting this disinformation from the vestibular system and the balance system and your proprioception, right? You're trying to, and your brain's trying to make sense of all that, right? And so then you have to adapt and you might have like an inactivation of a certain motor system or a lack of pulling the pronation of your foot or something, right?  So in a non-moving posture. So before we have you move because movement is a succession of different static postures, right? It's like a card game when you go like this and kind of movement happen. So we'll look at static posture first. I wanna know what is your weight bearing surfaces? Are you, and we can measure this with a force plate. We have very precise numbers that will show us if your weight distribution is, let's say you weigh 100 pounds. Are you 50-50 and are you 25-25 on each foot or are you leaning most of your body weight on the forefoot of your left foot, right? And if there is an imbalance there, then the muscles and the joints of that, the lower body will overwork on one side and underwork on the other, which will lead in what you've just explained different types of muscle compensations or muscle tightness. So the first thing is how, what's your foot posture like? Then we'll go and look at eye movements. And we know that then these eye movements, the ocular motor muscles, which are the muscles that attach to your eyeball, how is your eyeball moving in the socket? And what we find is more often than not, there is an imbalance with those ocular motor muscles, which then leads to further compensations to the way that you weight bear your entire body weight and then try to balance your body as you're trying to move through space and just walk or jog or live your life. Then again, these imbalances will then further decompensate the body. And this is where imbalances in the vestibular system will start to become a reality. And this imbalance in the vestibular system, since the cerebellum and the vestibular system work hand in hand, then there's gonna be imbalances in that unconscious system as well. The erector, spine, those tonic muscles will be imbalanced. And this is happening at an unconscious level. People will notice and will say to me, oh, I've noticed I always tilt my head when I take a selfie or I'm always leaning on one side or if I look at my shoes, an example would be, take a look at your shoes. Are they wearing out unevenly? Are you wearing out your jeans on one side more than the other for gentlemen that are listening? Are your suits tailored in such a way that one arm is longer than the other? These are all signs of these partial imbalances that we think are normal, but are really just adaptive to a underlying imbalance in the nervous system. Oh, this is so fascinating. So my thought is vestibular, I send people all the time to vestibular evaluations in therapy, especially after a concussion or sometimes like toxic in effects of mold or things or infections can affect the brain. So you're starting from assessing posture and then assessing vestibular system. And then what do you do as an intervention? Because like a vestibular therapist might give eye movement exercises, right? Where do you start? Cause there's so many areas here that could be compromising and I'm so curious as to, do you start with the brain? Do you start with the eyes? Do you start with the posture? Yeah, so we'll start with the feet always because there are some studies out there that do talk about how weight bearing surfaces can affect eye movements. And we know that eye movements can also affect weight bearing. So it kind of goes both ways.  The evolutionary process, we'll start with the feet first. And a lot of times what we'll see is that some eye movements will improve with foot correction and the sense of balance will also improve. So we do these basic tests where we can test to see if the stability, the imbalances, the vestibular system has improved simply by working on foot correction. And we do this by using therapeutic insoles, which is one of the products that we use. And the therapeutic insoles were born out of the science of the fact that we have these sensory receptors in our skin that respond to frequency. So if we then use that frequency to stimulate those specific sensory receptors, the question was, can we improve someone's stability or decrease their instability simply by working on those mechanoreceptors, which are those sensory receptors in the skin of the foot? And it turns out that the winning frequency is a 90 Hertz frequency. So when we use that frequency under the sole of the foot, the brain perceives this information, you're not gonna feel anything per se. And consciously this information is being picked up by the skin. And then the brain simply projects the motor commands more symmetrically in the body, which results in better posture, better upright posture and better balance. Hey everybody, I just stopped by to let you know that my new book, Unexpected, Finding Resilience Through Functional Medicine, Science and Faith is now available for order wherever you purchase books. 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Give us examples of, I'm in your bio, you've treated athletes, you've treated police departments, you've treated all kinds of. In my practice, I have just chronically ill patients. What's some of the patients that really benefit the most from this kind of therapy? Oh my God, everyone, everyone. You're saying everyone, right? Everyone, who would not benefit from this, but let's talk about the last study we did with Massachusetts state police, clinically speaking. Police officers are probably the profession that is under the most stressful or chronic stress, right? So we wanted to see if there was a way that we can help them with just regulating their stress through posture correction. And there were three criteria that we tested with the Massachusetts state police was grip strength, shooting accuracy, and blood pressure. And what we did is we simply corrected the feet with the therapeutic insoles, pre and post. And we had some clinicians on site that would verify if the blood pressure did indeed decrease. And keep in mind that some of these officers were on blood pressure medication. Others weren't. Some were younger, some were older and everything in between. And what we found is in all 13 officers, all 13 of them improved in their blood pressure reading. Their shooting accuracy also improved as did their grip strength. So we know, I mean, I've seen this, I've been doing this since 2006, but it's nice to have the validity of that clinical study that at least you're like, wow, there's really something that's there that confirms that through foot correction, you can have an impact on so many systems and just improve wellness and longevity in anyone really. This is amazing. So what about post concussion? Is this some area that you treat specifically? And I'm assuming it would improve because you're addressing that. Yeah, I mean, I think with post concussion, there is improvement, but what I would say is, you can avoid a concussion from happening, right? If it usually is through a sport, I work with a lot of athletes. But what I will say is that if there has to be rehabilitation after the concussion has occurred, it's always going to be easier to rehabilitate that athlete. If before the concussion, they were better aligned. So if their eye convergence was perfect, if they had good posture, the protocol and the treatment protocol post concussion will be easier and much, you know, the results will be quicker or should be quicker if there are obviously no other issues. You're putting the favors on your side to have successful treatment. And of course with concussion, the regular protocol that has to go through will go through and will unveil. But, you know, that disconnect, that brain disconnect is always going to be faster and better when posture is better aligned. Amazing. And obviously the police officers are stressed, those things that are totally unrelated, we would think from posture improved. What about children? Do you treat children? Do you see kids of different ages and how would they benefit? Yeah, so I love to begin with children. I think that prevention starts with the children and where this becomes really interesting with children or even with adults is looking or the understanding of how primitive reflexes are going to affect what it is that we're seeing. If the primitive reflexes are basically movement patterns that we all have when we are born, that allow us to develop our muscular system. They develop in specific stages, allowing us to control our muscular system and move within the environment. And what we find with the, what I started finding is that by correcting foot posture, I was actually able to, in not all of the cases, but in many to improve primitive reflexes, simply by working through the feet. So I was like, oh my God, what is happening here?  And I was like, from a four out of four, let's say we're talking about an asymmetrical neck reflex, which is basically when you turn your head on one side, the body will follow, which is a positive reflex with adults and kids. I would see that through the insole correction, we would get a massive improvement in the integration of those reflexes. And this is because we're having an effect on that primitive brain through the vestibular system by improving body upright posture. Really, what we're doing is we're changing the autolithic system, which is constantly, constantly, constantly projecting on the muscular system. So I do work with children. I think that for parents, it's important for them to know if their child has retained primitive reflexes. If they do posture correction insole's eye exercises, then primitive reflexes, but also the jaw, everything related around the jaw, breastfeeding, jaw development, proper tongue posture is also gonna have a huge role because we do work with the jaw as well. Feet eyes and jaw is what we work in clinic. And we address the jaw with a functional activator, which is basically a device that just positions the tongue on the palate. So it does not move your teeth. It's not an orthodontic device. It serves one purpose and one purpose only is when you put it in your mouth. It forces proper physiological tongue posture, which allows the child or the adult to breathe physiologically through their nose. Wow, so, oh gosh, there's so many questions I have around this because the jaw is huge. I've known that from dentists and the TMJ's autonomic. Tell us a little bit about why does a jaw have such a big profound effect on the autonomic nervous system and posture? And let's connect those dots for people who don't realize the connection there. Yeah, so the jaw is really four systems in one. We have the actual joint. We have the muscles, we have the teeth and we have the tongue. And what we know is when the proprioception of the jaw in itself is within, which means that the sensitivity of your teeth, the contact of your teeth, that is how proprioception is relayed to your brain. Now, what ends up happening is if you have what dentists call a premature contact, which means that when you open and close your mouth, if instead of all of your teeth touching together, there is a contact prematurely on one side and then boom, there is an adjustment, which is kind of the same thing when you're walking, if your heel is not landing properly on the ground, then that information is gonna be picked up by one of the biggest cranial nerves in your brain, the trigeminal nerve, and that's going to discharge everywhere. It's going to, it can affect your eye movements, it could affect your vestibular system and if your vestibular system is affected, then that is going to create stress and anxiety in your body because you are physically unstable and instability causes anxiety. So now anxiety, cortisol and so on and so forth. So when we're talking about the jaw, what we wanna make sure with children is is the occlusion with newborns, ideally they should breastfeed as long as possible. And one thing that you don't wanna do or make sure is that there is no thumb sucking, finger sucking or these pacifiers so that you can promote a jaw development and chewing hard food as much as possible and movement as much as possible. Everything that we're not doing anymore with our kids pretty much is what we need to change. But then what we'll find is that if there's this asymmetry and in pressure with the jaw, it's going to, there are some studies that are showing or explaining that the position of the lower jaw will affect the sagittal plane and that goes back to the feet, the eyes and the vestibular system. So understanding this connection even for dentists or anyone that's in rehab is extremely important because this is a global and holistic approach to the body, to body stability as opposed to cutting the body into different segments and saying, go see a dentist and go see this. I mean, dentists are great. I mean, we need dentists, but they're completely unaware of the role of the jaw in regards to posture and balance. Gosh, that makes so much sense. And even when you talk about the police officers or blood pressure, many people would like, why are those connected? But what you're saying is that all of this, starting with the feet, the jaw, all the areas, the eyes, it actually sympathetic, parasympathetic effects our whole autonomic system. So if you are in a chronic state of imbalance, you're also going to be in a chronic state of stress. Is that correct? Correct. Yeah. Correct. Absolutely. You completely nailed it. And if we have, then the question is, if we have constant stress, a constant release of cortisol, which is the hormone of stress in our body, what will then end up happening to, I mean, then there's a cascade of events that could end up happening from even a digestive perspective or just even a wellness perspective.  Your digestive enzymes will be affected. It could affect the hydrochloric acid in your stomach. It could affect your pH balance, your blood flow, your enzymes, and the list goes on and on and on. And this is just stemming from cortisol. So if posture can affect our stress levels, nevermind what's going on in your life right now, it would make a lot of sense to indirectly tap into posture to help us better manage our stress. And this holds true for children as well as adults. Yeah. I'm just thinking back and maybe you can comment on this. Who knows? I was born, I had severe allergies. I had swollen adenoids and tonsils. So I breathed only out of my mouth for the first five years.  I did breastfeed, but it's interesting as you mentioned all those things, I'm sure all of those had a huge effect on my whole sympathetic, empirosympathetic. And then later on I got cancer at 25. I had Crohn's at 26. So as I'm hearing you talk, I'm like, oh yeah, that makes sense even in my history. There was probably a lot of things. Now, do you ever see corrective, like Invisalign or braces make things better or worse because they're clearly affecting the vaults and the tongue and how do you feel about those kinds of things and good or bad or neutral or? Well, everything is good as long as we're considering all of the sensory entries that are contributing to posture. So it goes back to what we were saying at the beginning of the podcast, unless we're working on each and every one of those sensory components at the same time from a multi-disciplinary approach for an extended amount of time, this is where we'll see the fastest results. So if we work with different treatments or mouth guards or whatnot for the teeth without considering that there may be an imbalance with the eye muscles or an imbalance with the feet, we'll have a correction with the teeth, but this correction will either overcorrect or undercorrect because there are still a source of imbalance that is going on in the body stemming from either the feet or the eyes. And the same holds true for the feet. If you just decide to address your foot without looking at your eye movements or your jaw, then you have two other sources of imbalance that are contributing to the instability of your foot. What I'm proposing is an approach that addresses all of the sensory components at the same time for a minimum of six weeks. For a minimum of six weeks. And six weeks, why six weeks? Because that's roughly the equivalent of 10,000 hours, which allows for neuroplasticity to occur and become permanent and be fixated in the nervous system and in the brain. And then we just reassess, how are you feeling? How are you doing? How are your symptoms? Of course, with everything, Jill, that you're doing right now or any other functional neurology doctor or any specialist out there really that cares about their patient's health, whatever it is that you are doing, if you add posture correction to it, you will just propel the results. This is amazing. So you would start, so let's walk through what you would actually do in your program and kind of the devices and things that you've got a lot to offer. If you're listening and you wanna know where to find her, we are gonna list all the resources, all the websites, whatever you have for us. So don't fear, I'll have those for you and we'll talk about it at the end. But take us through, like say someone, let's say a 40 year old female with some low back pain wants to optimize her posture. What would you start with a feet? Give us a little bit of like a, how would you address her? What would you start with? Yeah, so I'm looking at her stability, doing different types of testing to see if her vestibular system is involved. I'm gonna be looking at her weight-bearing surfaces. Is she leaning more on the left or the right or the forefoot or the rear foot, the toes or the heel? What's going on here? I'll make, I'll couple that information with their posture or sagittal plane, frontal plane and transverse plane. And I will of course match that with their pain level. You know, what are they restricted in? Do they have pain right now? Can they bend over forward or whatnot? I will then look at primitive reflexes as well. And then I will correct the foot with the insoles and then I will look at the eyes to see if there's also an imbalance with the eyes. And if there is, I will do some visual eye exercises to unblock their diverging or hypoconvergent eye. And then I will reassess. And that's typically what a session looks like. And the question on the eyes, is it like convergence and divergence and tracking and the stagnants? And is that the kind of like a typical vestibular assessment? Yeah, not even as complicated. I will just, you know, have them converge and see what's going on. And what we find is that nine times out of 10 there's a diverging eye. So the first goal for me is to correct the diverging eye and to restore proper convergence before we start looking into any other issues. And then what we find is when we do that, the imbalances that we saw in the sagittal frontal and transverse plane as well as the instability test, nine times out of 10 completely improve. Wow. Alongside, alongside with their pain and their movement restriction. And that's before you do anything with the mouth. You do the feet and the eyes first. Exactly, exactly. Typically the symptoms that someone will get when they have a jaw problem that predominates, now the jaw will affect the feet, the feet will affect the eyes, the eyes will affect the feet. So it's all linked together. But which one is causing the problem first? If there's an occlusion problem, typically the patient will feel the pain in the morning when they wake up. If it's more of a visual problem, and if the eyes, the ocular motor muscles are causing the imbalance, then the pain would be felt towards the second part of the day. And if it is all day long, then we're talking about the feet. Wow, fascinating. Now, obviously if people can see you in person, that's amazing. But do you have a program where people can do this either virtually or online? Or how would someone, if they wanted to see you or get assessed, how would they do that? Yeah, so we do offer online consultations which can be found on our website. And for any healthcare professional that wishes to learn these methods, we do offer courses as well, depending on where you're at. And if you're looking to implement this type of method in your practice, we do offer the posture pro method. And then we have other programs that are more introductory to a brain-based approach. We also have programs that will talk about the jaw exclusively or the eyes exclusively or primitive reflexes exclusively. But the posture pro method is what is more for professionals or for anyone that's looking to really combine this in their practice and make a living out of it. That's exciting. So you have the ability to teach someone like me or someone else who's in any sort of healthcare field to assess and give recommendations. Absolutely. Amazing. Oh my goodness.  I love that so much. So give us maybe a couple examples of some of the cases cause I can see how there's probably things that you wouldn't expect to improve.  Like those things I would not have expected to improve but clearly you went in knowing this is a whole body thing. What are some of the surprising things that you've seen in certain cases maybe that have been really amazing? So the one that stuck with me the most was Parkinson's disease stage four. This was right at the beginning of my career. I have to say that I didn't have the knowledge that I have today nor did I have the confidence that I mean I had the confidence in the science but there's always that part of your brain that says what if it doesn't work? Right. It doesn't work. And I had this lady Diane. Diane, I still have her videos. I was actually stumbled upon her videos last week as I was looking to do a video, different types of videos from my social media platform. So she ends up having stage four Parkinson's and she says to me the doctors are not sure that it's Parkinson's nobody can figure out what's wrong. I have extreme pain. I'm completely unstable. Can you help me? And I was like, honestly, I didn't know. I'm like, I don't know.  And I should release her videos now because at the time my social media channel was not as big as it is today but her testimonial is eye-tearing. I could not, I mean you feel her passion and this completely changed. And what I did is I just addressed her foot.  She had a big scar and I worked on the scar and the changes within 24 hours were life changing. And she literally called me and said, I'm coming back into your office. I need to do another testimonial. And she's just laughing, laughing, laughing and screaming of joy. So I have to say that that's what really stuck with me. That was really it was Diane and my very first assessment was a knee surgeon here in Montreal that was retired that was unable to just get up from a chair. He had gotten two double knee replacement four years ago and he just basically said, I'm unable to just, for the last three years I just can't get up without my cane. And it turned out, same procedure, let's assess his posture, let's correct the feet, let's look at the eyes. They all have a diverging eye by the way. We work on the feet, we work on the eyes and within 45 minutes I have the guy just standing up without any pain, without his cane. The whole family just rushed towards me, hugged me crying tears and emotions and everything. And these were really moments that shaped my career. Yeah. I love that you've taken it and now you're teaching doctors and it's again I can just tell a fellow healer the heart of number one curiosity because it took that to get to where you're at now. But number two, just being creative enough to really create a system that works that you can multiply, that you can share with people. I just love this. So tell us where can people find you? Where's your website? Of course we'll include these links but if there's any specific products you mentioned the feet they can actually get insoles as well, right? Yes. So the therapeutic insoles is the product that I've been using in my practice since 2006. Ever since COVID we've released other products that are more affordable for certain folks but the ones that I strictly work with are therapeutic insoles which can be found on our website posturepro.co. And our social media channels are also posturepro at posturepro.   I mean, you could see that it's either blocking their cervical rotation or it's increasing their instability. So I'm like, well, if it doesn't exist, I'll build it. And this is where we came up with the functional activator and we've just added recently a vagal activator as well which are these really awesome devices. It looks a little bit weird but you put it in your mouth you kind of flick, you flick the tab and it creates this vibration that helps boost your vagal tone and it's very efficient at just giving you allowing you to relax fairly quickly. Amazing. So what's for you in the next five years or so where would you like to see yourself or your work or the world or just cause we all need someone like you or there's so many people who are suffering with pain and that what would you see as the next step? Yeah, so the next step is called Symmetrix.com. I love it, you already know. I do, I do. It's the next step is Symmetrix.com which is basically a fusion where posture correction and jaw alignment will converge and we're also looking to create a multi-disciplinary clinic where we have different doctors that are gonna be working under this clinic. The work is in progress, it's not yet launched but we are collecting emails and our waitlist can be found on our social media channel and when this is released and ready to go we will certainly send an email out to everybody but this is where I envision myself in the next five years. Amazing and I love that you've really put efforts into multiplying your knowledge cause it's so often you get this incredible practitioner who knows so much but there's only one of her. So I actually really love that you're training and teaching other people to do what you do. Well, I'm so grateful to be able to do that through other practitioners, I'm able to help so many other people where I would otherwise not be able to reach. So, and it's through podcasts like yours that I'm able to spread the awareness. So I'm very grateful and thankful to be able to speak on your podcast today. Well, you are welcome. It is absolutely a joy and treat to meet you. I look forward to watching the progress and like I said, if you're listening we'll be sharing all the links where you can find Annette and her work. And again, thank you sincerely for the amazing work that you put into the world. Thanks so much for tuning into this episode of Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill. Wasn't Annette amazing the power of posture? Who knew that the jaw and the eye movements and the posture could affect so many different systems? I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Stay tuned for future episodes or release new episodes every week. And you can find all of my episodes on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher or wherever you listen to podcasts. Please do stop by and leave a review. It helps us to reach more people. If you want transcriptions or audio recordings you can also find all of the old episodes on my website, jillcarnahan.com. If you want to research products or services or some of my favorite things you can go to drjilhealth.com and find everything you need there. And thanks again, look forward to seeing you next week.


All right, what's up guys? We're back for another ESPN MIC highlight reel. You know, we do these every single week I got to bring the energy for you guys to see what the hell happened What's going on and just basically everything in a nutshell while Alex was out a couple days due to personal stuff It was kind of a short week for him, but I'm gonna show some bow examples I'm gonna show everything so check this out if you have any questions because maybe you like something you listen to this Video and you're like, hey, maybe I might see he's pretty cool text<PHONE_NUMBER> I will also show you at the end how to book a call on the website, but let's uh, let's dive into this So, okay, so we're on Monday November 28th Welcome to December the last month of the year Christmas coming up But we're back in November and it's November 28th, and we are talking about Monday So the stock on radar actually actually believe it or not was TBLA and Alex was talking about it so let's actually go the day let's go the 20-day chart and Obviously, that's gonna be this day right here guys You could just see the date right here as I kind of scroll and it's the first day up, right? So as Alex is writing this it's around this time in the morning. It totally looks like a hot chick So potential hot chick so far was waiting for a death candle or a signal that it's broken a short ignore it on the front side Of the move as a short so when this thing is up pre-market and it actually puts in a really nice top This is where the live commentary is so important guys and not just reading the watch list because that's updated You know price action gets updated So in the beginning he's keeping you safe and then we go in the chat room and he's definitely keeping you safe so Alex comes in let's bring up the chart and Alex did exactly what process entails guys So let me kind of move this over and what you're gonna see is he used the three line Which is really key in this whole and a half dollar numbers You know it puts in this massive stuff and then you just basically wait for that stuff to happen You wait for top and happen you wait for a death candle happen one of those exactly like Alex said Wait for a top then obviously MIC process is now hit that pop where that top failed So it's really really key that you identify this and and Alex had a really good hold on this I was I was actually really surprised by his patience on this. It was really good. So really key I think Alex made like six grand on this just awesome You know a lot of a lot of volume a lot of range in this stock a pretty decent amount of range for For some size starting off the week with a solid winner waiting Waited for TB LA to top out and short of the bounce Unfortunately covered before the big meltdown, but profit is profit and hey man, you know if there's some dead wood on the table It's all good That's just part of the game and I wanted to showcase what the members are doing because guys This is what happens when you have a banger watch this every single day is The members are gonna you know take heed of that and and and a lot of them are gonna use it as a guide and also Just kick ass so I love this PO was talking about TB LA I got stopped out in the open, but then re-entered on the stuff guys This is the most important thing about training is risk management If a trade doesn't go your way because you're too early you revenge trade whatever you do you play countertrend? You can always cut it and get back in Remember I'm gonna showcase some losses every now and then but then it turned into a nice winner So you guys have to understand how important it is to kind of like whip yourself in the moment to then Re-attack when you you just punish yourself really quick with a hard stop You have to do it instead of punching your entire account never use a hard stop And then you get blown out of the water one day.  I love this guy's name. It's the best wait for the top I know you got a little overeager on the the FOMO right here You guys got a wait for those bounces, but I still thought this was really good Especially somebody who's actually a long trader now using Alex's commentary and watch list to learn how to short sell how sick is that? Let's also talk about naughty Larry TV LA dude members using the watch this is that's as simple as it is fricking awesome job We come into David and David's doing exactly the same thing. You know using the three line wait for the stopout guys This is the watch this is exactly how Alex traded This was the exact edge that you need to be paying attention to and this is what you pay for being an MIC member 100% edge and mentorship and guidance and coaching and warnings and everything TV LA Ibrahim I mean this ain't rocket science guys and then Steven every now and then will I'm totally shouting at the computer But you guys can hear my passion behind this look how sick this is dude D 21 of our lifetime members is getting so damn good. I'm almost ready to have him just trade all of our accounts like I'm just going autopilot man. Hey trade ours to like look at all these wins to lock guys That's unbelievable. So this is the power of the community. This is the power of the club and I mean I don't know how it would get any better than that honestly So we're coming in Tuesday Alex says $600 weird day-to-day with no borrows But DB GI couldn't get any size everything was too expensive This happens in training from time to time guys is just part of the game But the watch list plan on DB GI worked perfectly again So the two days that Alex did trade this week like I said He was mostly out just due to personal stuff, which isn't usually the case guys Alex is usually here almost every single day the two days he traded. He's still for this week made 6600 bucks around there that how sick is that so let's check this out. He goes and let me go to the exact date So that's the 29th He goes and this is a low hanger guys This is exactly what we look for on the day previous where it gives back a lot of gains whether it's day one or just the day previous Looks like backside is in the move absolutely, you know the macro trend backside micro we want to pop right so we'll be looking for a Major basically saying a micro, you know versus the macro major SSR bounce to seven seven twenty seven fifty line skill in short guys it does just that and I just again I don't know how it gets any better than that Alex used that got that morning pop and he was actually done by this pop but he got the morning pop that he wanted scaled in and Took the meat of the money because I mean that's a lot of range of volatility right there And you could have hit it again still as per the plan and made some money, but it's that first It's that first banger right there. It's that first pop. That's the real money maker Let's kind of see what some members did on Tuesday a couple people want to showcase Let's see. Let me zoom in real quick rock bond awesome job on Cosm. I love this You know puts in tops. He uses the pops covered himself on the washes really really nice job Vindi bow dbgi outer lines watch list plan enough said Ibrahim on the IVK something tops out waits for the pop back to outer lines covers on the wash It doesn't get any better than that guys seriously I'm probably gonna say that throughout this whole, you know short webinar, but not a Larry on Kala awesome awesome job Not much you can do but chase on something like this because it's so weak where we talk about this all the time And I see guys where you never want to chase but there was a very very few exceptions because something is so dang weak So this was really nicely handled not a Larry on Kala great job and again another shout-out to a member I think that I think it's it's pronounced Ilya, but Ilya Man or woman. I actually don't know because they don't have a profile picture out there But the art but Ilya.  What's happening investing techniques a different styles training was a banger So every single Wednesday we do a new member orientation webinar at 2 p.m. Eastern and it's open to the public It's free the public guys, so make sure you show up next week Boundouts were both out, but check this out. I want to showcase a couple members on Wednesday as it was a little bit slower But check this out so Irvin coming in with a perfect stop on a front-side move and every now and then I'm gonna showcase a nice Stop because part of this game guys is stopping the hell out when you need to and then here You know and here's the opposite. You know here's dilu Bounce baby bounce doing a wonderful job hot hot chick stock Wait for the support wait for the drop. Don't be chasing. You know wait for the nice drop to support level or a line He longs it and basically it's you know That's like the first bounce guys a great freaking job on support and then Danny just doing exactly what trend entails on Manu M8 and you and following the trend down, you know red to green it It just couldn't make it through fails back down and follows trend down Fantastic job. So now that was Wednesday now. Let's go to all right. We're back in December Let's now this is yesterday guys So we're back in December and this is the watch list although Alex wasn't trading But I wanted to kind of show you a couple trades bow was taking so let me pull up arm it real quick That was an absolute phenom guys like look at how much he does right okay? So this is actually the day because that's today This thing went crazy after hours, isn't that nuts and that was yesterday But if we go in let me actually just zoom in so you can't see the after hours because that'll heighten all the volatility is What you see guys is bow uses the whole and half dollar You know lines and levels so 350 is what he was looking at here covers on the wash Then he hits the pop back because he's pretty patient hits the pop back where it failed before that's what we teach into the outer lines Awesome job and then hit the pop back based on this one. So just a really really really good job on our med Let's take a look at Vapo These all sound like acronyms right like ticker symbols. It's really funny So Vapo is a stock that's like super super hot check until it tops out with these death canals bow Does exactly that using the 150 line and then he just uses the absolute channel that is so easy to identify all day plain and simple super super effective AMC Which is always talked about because we got the meme stocks cracking But bow did it exactly again guys what he does on every other chart whole and half dollar number He's using nine He's using the nine line on a parabolic that meets there pays himself on the wash Hits the pop back up to where it failed before using the base of these candles and then hits the hits the another try Like you guys have to understand how simple and straightforward this can be you just have to know how to scale correctly Scale out and use risk management, but you guys are getting this I know you're getting this because a lot of our members charts are looking exactly like bows So again, he's using the four line whole and half dollar for this first Parabolic up seeing if it fails. It did pay himself on the way down followed it down and use the pop back Plain sexy and absolutely simple. Here was the watch list for today Friday at the time of recording this is Friday night But I'm gonna actually just go into some bow trades because Alex didn't trade today. So hold on one second SHPH Crazy stock today right crazy runner.  Well, and then the second half just annihilated and that's a that's professional trading Sometimes the stock is just you're gonna have to bully it a little bit And it's not the easiest thing in the world, but you can do it So again, I love this one because bow absolutely top tick nailed Really really nice job really nice job AVXL that was that was Cosm. Let's pull up AVXL. That was the king of top ticking This was such an interesting stock, right? So you have a stock that's really really parabolic and really volatile during pre-market and it Absolutely gets cratered pre-market Creators way more Come the open and then bow did exactly what you should do follow the trend down and I know he was like Getting in here and then covered himself on this first wash right here that first little moneymaker hit back here thinking would fail again Probably got a little stuck just a little bit in here and then totally, you know Scaled correctly and averaged out the whole day and probably a really nice win I don't know his P&L on that, but I'm sure he absolutely killed it So, you know just really good job and then let's see what the members were doing so the members David on XPF. Let's pull this up real quick Uh, let me zoom in David on XPF. So try try this short on the front side stopped out Just guys what what more can be said a really good stop. Love it Hooper X which is the king of following trend and outer lines again AVXL hit the pop back on a broken stock that fails before Really nice job. He was actually trading pre-market. So really nice job Hooper X again This is the most these are the two examples, right guys like you follow the trend down That's broken or you wait for the outer lines on something that's already too broken and you don't want to chase And that's what Hooper did on T till ray T L R Y that is so frickin beautiful Let's go in here prob If I'm saying that correctly prob age prob age Armad really good job, you know the stock kind of sets up a channel You know, here's what happens though. He's actually longing. So in this he's not shorting the channel He's actually kind of using these channel lines of support and I think he stopped out on the first one Which he explains but then guess what he did exactly what any red-blooded trader would do. He's like, I'm not done with this It's holding it's doing what I want now. Let me re-attack this and he did a really good job of that Diego exactly the same but different right except like using the channel for the base He's using the channel resistance lines in the middle right here, which I loved And I kind of wanted to highlight as kind of like that contrast and and Polarity so, you know in the beginning using these parabolic into it kind of using exactly what bow was doing But then I'm telling you right now guys It's it's exactly that second part of the day kind of like what bow did is once that channel set You just got to keep using it until it doesn't work and Diego did a really good job There even if the first was a stop, you know, which it could have been you can always re-attack, right? So that's the whole point of saving your day guys. I love that Let's show you a couple things So this is ours. This is our chat room guys. This is our slack platform. This is where everything happens within MIC You have a watch list channel. We take what's in the watch list channel the main trading chat This is where live commentary happens This is where fills happen every now and then you get like occasional networking or you get occasional Jokes or memes, but this is where the commentary the warnings the Mentorship and the guidance happens and people can post really fun stuff and really cool stuff But it's mostly business. That's why we have the after-hours channel for fun and jokes and networking and mostly jokes And it's some more networking and it's it's a good time and we even clown on each other I think I think one of the mods, you know was talked about how his videos were boring, which is obviously just a joke But you know, this is like on the odd noise like put me to bed thing Tom Diesel's videos That's hysterical. It's just a joke Tom Diesel's a wonderful educator, but that's just it's so funny guys That's what networking is large cap and options room. If you're not a small cap trader. We got a room I love that. I just sent my dad that the other day and then we have a swing trading room for you guys down here So small caps right here large caps and large cap and options after hours networking And then and then we have swing trading down here guys then dms down here. You can edit your profile It's a really good time. MIC is a lot of fun guys. Let's go to our website real quick So the video library and most of the education is actually found on my investing club.com So let's go there real quick All right guys, so we're on our company website my investing club.com a couple things I just want to show you real quick guys There's a dashboard right here where if you click this and you're already signed in which I just did I'm just going to allow access Uh, what you're going to be able to see is that this is kind of like the motherboard for all your things Obviously welcome t bradley 90, you know go to MIC go to the video library. These are quick links hyperlinks And then we can also do video library. So there's a couple things I want to show you in here This is where most of our watchable Content is where you can learn how to be a trader and uh, and it's just it's a lot of fun So, you know, we've got a search feature guys. We've got like a full roadmap right here endless pages of content Literally 161 pages crazy and then alex's live trades.  There's nothing like it. This is exclusive to lifetime members But if you want to watch the first one free, obviously that's included to the open public kind of like Um, like the new member orientation webinar the first one So I think it's just something to pay attention to you guys It's really cool. 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So at the end. I know I always do this even though I don't Look, I don't even need a calculator. It's it's always tradition to bust out the calculator But as you guys can see, um, I I could just add them up like this. Alex made 6600 this week awesome freaking job Um, you know guys, this is this is a slow week for I he didn't even trade half the week So if you want to learn how to do exactly what we do at mic and specifically Alex because he's your main educator Come on down book a call text my line and guys. We will see you next week for another espn mic highlight reel


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Welcome. Thanks for being here today, joining us for a little bit of your time. We're so grateful to have you joining another episode of the non-profit show. I'm glad to be back here as co-host with Julia, and I'm thrilled to have our guest Rose Snyder joining us. Rose is a coach and consultant, works with so many organizations. She has an athletic background, and as we shared a little bit about Title IX anniversary, we talked a little bit about that as well in our green room chatter. But today's conversation with Rose is about engaging your boards and how you might do that in strategic conversation. So before we jump into the conversation with you, Rose, we want to make sure that our viewers and our listeners know who they are looking at or listening to. Thanks to Julia Patrick, CEO of the American Nonprofit Academy for creating this beautiful, brilliant platform of discussion and conversation. I'm always so honored each and every day, unless I'm on vacation, to join you as co-host. 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But again, we're honored to have these continued investors and supporters of the show so that we can have these fantastic conversations like the one that we are queuing up now with Rose Snyder, again, coach and consultant with rosesniderconsulting.com. Welcome, my friend. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here with both of you. We are thrilled to have you in the green room chatter. You know, I shared that I've had the great privilege of seeing Rose in action as I was working with a client and she was also assigned to this client. And so just so thrilled to have you. But for those of you that may not be familiar with you and your work, Rose, tell us a little bit about who you are and what you do in our sector. Wow, it's like, where do you start? You started the beginning to start where I currently am. I think probably starting where I currently am and my road from 30 years in Colorado Springs as a nonprofit consultant, but also a swim coach and also a mother of three and my husband got a job at the university. So we moved three years ago and I decided to put my energy into getting connected into my community here and giving back in whatever way I kill it. I got connected with the community foundation through Paul of NS and I've been doing nonprofit work but at the same time while COVID was going on I got my coaching credential through the International Coaching Federation and the thing that stuck with me was in my coach training coaching is different than consulting. And the question would always be when is the client done? The client's done when they can hold the coaching. And I thought, you know what? There's a lot of organizations that could benefit from a blend or a hybrid of consulting and coaching. So I've kind of formed my practice now on blending consulting with coaching so clients can hold the consulting. So it's been kind of a journey over the last two years during COVID and I've just learned so much and blessed to be working part-time with Paul and now at the community foundation at the Center for Healthy Nonprofits. And I'm just busy, I'm still doing a lot of consulting and coaching and doing that those 20 hours and I'm just really enjoying it. I love it. Good for you. Well, you know, we're really interested in this topic of strategic planning. And one of the things that we thought would be a really interesting conversation to have with you is all about the conversation of strategic planning. And I want to start off by asking you why in the heck are boards so resistant to this concept? And what's going on? That is a great question. And I think it's less about being resistant to not having the time or the know-how have the time to think strategically. And I work with a lot of boards on, okay, do you use a consent agenda?  So I think it's really sometimes teaching the boards how to really manage their agenda and allow time on that agenda to think strategically. I also think they think it's going to be this big, huge thing. It doesn't have to be a big, huge thing. It can start out as simple as have you guys read Good to Great? When Jim Collins talks about the three circles, I do that exercise all the time with boards. What are you passionate about? What drives your economic and human resource engine? And what can you be best at in your world? And that can start the vision. That can start this. So it doesn't have to be this big thing. I think they think strategic planning is going to be this year long thing. It doesn't have to be. So I think taking some of that fear out of what strategic planning is and allowing time for it, sometimes to develop organically, I think is an important piece. Have you seen those strategic conversations change over the last three years, Rose? I have because who in the heck asked what if there was a pandemic? What was your resiliency plan? What was your risk management plan for a pandemic? I think it's changed the way a lot of boards are thinking and I think it will lead to more strategic thinking and planning. Absolutely. We've talked a lot over the course of our, as you've heard, 600 episodes, the advancements of technology, the advancements of integrating virtual reality. We have that topic in today's discussion. One of the things I've heard and my jaw hit the floor when I heard this, Rose, was why do we as the board need to do strategic planning? Isn't that the CEO's job? And I was like, well, that's an interesting concept or interesting thought. Well, I, you know, my big thing is that the CEO or the executive director is a partner with the board, but it comes down to how do you educate and orient your board when they first start and letting them know that their role is governing the organization and strategic planning is their charge. So I think it goes back to orienting and recruiting your board members and letting them know what their job description is if they sign on to serve. That is so, like perfectly said, because I would agree that that person that stated that did not have the best onboarding experience, the right level of expectations for serving on the board. So that could be one reason perhaps why board members resist. What about, are boards always ready for these strategic conversations? Or is there a certain like, you know? No, I do a little, I do a, when I do a board training, I'll do a little mini assessment. And if they are at the stage where they're still putting out fires, I say, if there's things that they need to do to get their house in order and how they work together, then they're not quite ready for strategic planning. It won't work, it won't take. They won't hold the strategic plan or the consulting if you will. Okay, that's really interesting because I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that. It always seems like, you know, almost the opposite. Wow, you're behind, you're behind, you gotta get this, crank this out no matter what. But I really appreciate what you've said because you're right. If you're not prepared, you're not gonna come up with probably consensus. You're not going to get realistic and achievable goals probably set.  Right, right. I think also, you know, I just went through the nonprofit life cycle certification last year and I really do think that tool could be helpful too for them to realize. It's not some consultant coming in and saying you're not really ready, but you can work on these two or three areas. I do a lot of team building with boards. You know, I come from an athletic background and I think getting the board to think of themselves as a high-performing team and they're working together is necessary to fulfill and live that mission. And I think really impressing upon them that that's goal number one is to fulfill the mission and the way you guys treat each other and get along can have differences of opinion and healthy conflict. But if there's mean spirited backbiting and there's more of a need to build that board and that relationships and the trust, then I think they're ready to engage in strategic planning. That's been my experience anyway. I've got a question that just popped into my head because of how you framed this as a team.  Do you think that this has achieved more fully and has more opportunities for success when an outside coach comes in versus having somebody within that board or that leadership lead the strategic planning session? Yes, I do. And I'm not just saying that because I'm a consultant. I just, I've done it. I've been on boards myself where I say, I can't do it. I'm too much on the inside trained in this, but I have a dog in the fight. And you need somebody to come in that doesn't have a dog in the fight.  That perspective that's gonna come in without any misconceptions about how things should be. It's like coaching. When you coach someone, when you coach a leader, you're holding the space for maybe, you're holding the space for things to evolve rather than trying to push it in a certain direction.  I so appreciate your answer and echo that. Want to say ditto to what Rose absolutely.  And, you know, one of my roles in that role to champion is all voices are heard, right? I do think Rose, you know, really what happens when there's someone from the inside that says, hey, I do this like in my job, in my day job, I could do this, it's gonna save us money, but is it truly allowing an equitable conversation? And that's where I would argue that it never does. Right, right. Absolutely. Yeah. Then let's go to that next level and you've navigated a strategic plan. And I loved right out the gate, you said, look, it can be, you know, the Collins based three circles or it can be like something that IBM would do. I mean, everything in between. But the reality is you've gotta get your board embracing this and embracing this roadmap. How do we do that? How do we keep them going forward on this and not just looking at this as, okay, the task is done, check it off next. Right. That's, you know, the old days of a strategic plan being a notebook that sits on a shelf are really gone. So I really think the idea of a roadmap, you know, think about a roadmap. Why do we have a roadmap? Even if it's on our phone now because we have to navigate where we're going, we have to know if we're there yet. You know, if you guys have kids, are we there yet? Are we there yet? And the roadmap is just a visual representation of the plan and how you're gonna get there. What happens if you have an obstacle or the road is closed? So using the analogy that everyone understands and buys into so that it is a useful tool and not something that's overwhelming, simple is better. And I think creating that roadmap that is a tool that helps you bring your strategic plan to life. And then you can have that strategic time at every board meeting to find out if you're on the right track. Are we still on the right path? What do we accomplish to allow? What do we need to change? So I think having the mile posts, how far away are we from Phoenix? How far away are we from Prescott? And being able to really have that in simple terms that the boards can understand and ask questions. Why are we off the mark in this particular goal? So I think that's what it is. It's choosing the right kind of format for your roadmap that everyone buys into and understands because it's just like your financials. If people are overwhelmed and they don't know what questions to ask then it's not a useful tool. Simple is better. I love that analogy Rose. And I have to say I've heard it before but not quite as eloquently as you just expressed it. And I can see some areas are under construction and we need to keep that in mind. And then I know the three of us and probably all of our viewers and listeners, there once was a time when we all opened up these maps like handheld maps. My dad would always get them at AAA and stuff in our glove box. But now look at the amount of construction that's happened in our globe. And so we need to update our roadmaps as these new pathways and journeys present themselves. So thank you for modernizing this roadmap and putting it into a digital component. Which takes me to our next concept is how has this digital space, this digital component, you know, like how are we integrating that Rose with our board work? And I'm hoping continue training. How have you seen this being embraced? Well, you know, I've been hired for several board trainings or board governance trainings that have all been virtual during COVID. I think that really opened people's eyes to, we can do this. Some people prefer it. I don't, I love to be face to face and see people, but it can get done. And I think that you can do all kinds of work now and in some cases more efficiently in saving organizations time and money. So I think many people are beginning to see the benefit of doing virtual training and then having that hybrid model of opportunities to get together, you know, whatever their board calendar supports once or twice a year, or this is if the groups don't live together. If you live in town, it's a little different story, but I have worked with a lot of national boards where people are coming from all over the country. So I think people have embraced it. And I think what we need to do is we need to encourage the leadership of these organizations to embrace it too, especially if you wanna attract the younger people to your board, they're gonna demand it. That's the way they're, you know, that's the way they want to work now.  I think that's what I've experienced. Rose, have you seen an increase in the usage of a board portal or some kind of a cloud-based board? You know, like, I don't know, a repository? Yeah, absolutely. I serve on the International Coachings Federations Board, the Arizona chapter. And right now we use Basecamp. And they're transitioning to a new website, a new portal, but it's amazing how instantaneous. We had a question come up of, we're gonna change our board retreat in August. What dates are you available? Everyone on the board instantly got on there and put what dates they were available. So the president has that data in her hand in an instant. So I think that it is important. And I think boards that are reticent of it, you know, they need to embrace it. They need to get training. So whatever that portal is that works for them, I think it's really an important piece of, staying connected and on top of things. Yeah, one thing I know, Julia, we've heard a lot throughout our conversations is our constituency base and our board members or volunteers alike have moved geographically over these last two years. And so they may still be, you know, serving in their term limit as a governing fiduciary agent of the board. And they need to be connected in this virtual space. And I think there's such great opportunity now, Rose, as you hit the nail in the head, it's been proven that it can be done. It still might not be everyone's preference, but it is proven that it can be done. And so I do think that, you know, as we talk about access, that allows way more, that's my formal term, way more access to the board conversations and ongoing trainings, the portal, you know, Julia, you're a huge proponent for that as well. And I have. I'm all about not only the portal, but I'm all about the labor portal and that comes in the form of having a board liaison. I think that we, when we look at those organizations small and large that have a grasp and they manage through the job description of a board liaison, things get done, expectations are met, compliance is met, it is just a much more organized and compliant governance process. And so- Yeah, that makes so much sense. It's a huge thing. I'm an enormous advocate on it. I speak a lot about it. In fact, I'm gonna be, Jared, I haven't told you this, but I'm gonna be off for a couple of days in December, speaking at a national conference about it with the credit union industry because it is such an important part. And because of this digital nature, I do think that it is one of those things that is also gonna flow through, Rose, to your point, about attracting and cultivating and retaining younger board members because they're operating their professional lives using similar tools. Right, right. And so when you don't honor their time and they're working for free, it's a really easy way to let go or lose the interest of our next-gen leadership. Yeah, absolutely. That's catastrophic. I have a curveball question. Okay. I know, we like to do this, we should've warned you, Rose, but I know you're gonna be great. So I'm channeling my athletic background as well and thinking how much does this team camaraderie take a play with strategic communications. And I will also tell you, I just recently finally saw the Top Gun movie and that team component was a big piece in building this strategic camaraderie. How, talk to me about that. Well, I think it's not only critical, I think it's foundational. You know, I referenced a lot of Patrick Lencioni's, five dysfunctions of a team sounds negative. So I see the characteristics of high-performing teams and it starts with trust and it starts with being able to have healthy conflict. There's a commitment to the vision and you are geared towards results, evaluation results. So all of those components that he has in the five dysfunctions of the team are foundational. And the beginning of establishing that trust or camaraderie is team building. And I do shapes, some people do all kinds of different assessments, but I do psychogeometrics, which gives everyone a talking point. And you'll always remember that Rose is a squiggle, the creative, yeah. And Jared's a squiggle or a circle, a people person, triangle, get to the point, no small talk. They don't want the small talk. All of those things really start out as kind of an icebreaker, but it becomes an integral part. I've done it with the national boards within the US Olympic movement. In fact, I'm going next week to do it for the US Olympic and Paralympic Committee for their development division. And I think it gives everybody not necessarily that opportunity to, first of all, be self-aware, but second of all, to increase your emotional awareness or intelligence of others. Respect them, speak to them the way they need to be spoken to, not the way I need to say it or experience it. So it really becomes a foundation of everything I do with individual clients and with boards. We do the team building and then they come up with a social contract or a way of being. How are they going to work and operate and treat one another? How do they hold each other accountable when they don't honor that social contract? So that's a big part of it. And I think that's where I can say, you get the teams that have that ability to be a team, have differences of opinion, and they're not at the putting the fire out stage, they're the ones ready for strategic planning. So. I love that answer. And again. I'm not applying. I'm not applying. And I was in the room when you did the Geometrics and you unveiled what they meant.  It was great.  We have one solo island triangle or whatever that might be for your group. And it's interesting to see that. And so again, with my athletic background, your athletic presence as well, Rose, and just really thinking of how the team takes a play and roots into these strategic conversations. And I'm imagining going to something like base camp, I'm on Slack with another client, meeting the board members where they are, allowing them to get to know one another outside of the board table or this virtual board table. I think it's a huge, as you said, fundamental or foundational role. Well, and I think the thing is the power behind doing, like the shapes or any of those assessments. And this was back to Julia's question earlier, why are they reticent to do strategic planning? You might have a board that doesn't have any squiggles on it, that you don't have the big picture thinkers. So they're wanting to get down to the details and get into the operation and the tactics before they have that vision part of it. So what are we missing? Well, we don't need to go and necessarily recruit squiggles or change you out, you're off the team. We need to think squiggle, we need to think big picture and learn to flex that muscle if that's a missing piece on your board. So I think it also helps them identify what are our strengths, what are our areas that we need to shore up in order to be more strategic. So plays into that too. Well, I also found in my board service over time, you will have board members that think in this manner because on their for-profit corporate side, this is an engagement piece that they live and breathe within their jobs. And then you have others that have been like, oh yeah, I'm not at that level. The strategic plan comes down to me and I have to respond to it, but I've never been a part or I've never been at the table when it was created. I mean, and when it seems to me that there's a lot of frustration with that. Well, that's an important thing too. And I think that goes back to board training, honestly, because strategic plan should remain the same no matter who's sitting around the table, no matter who the executive director is. And then you know, hey, I'm on this team now and this is our game plan. I'm not changing it. I'm not getting on the board to change it. So I think that goes back to recruiting and really having a great onboarding process that says here's our strategic plan where this is 2022 and this is what we're gonna accomplish for the next year. And this is your role. Right, and I love that. It seems to me that when we don't start with that, that's where we open ourselves up to so many disappointments. We can't meet expectations. And Jared and I have talked about this a lot. You know, our board members wanna do well and they wanna do well for their community. But if they lose their way or it doesn't seem like it's working, it's very easy to disengage. Yes, yeah. It's very easy to disengage. I was going to add, I was just recently talking to a client of mine and I said, there are three things that I personally ask when I'm given the opportunity to join a board. The DNO certificate, Directors and Officers Insurance Certificate, they're board of expectations. Like, what are you expecting of me when I serve on the board? And the third is that strategic plan. What is your current roadmap? And how might I play a successful role in this journey together? And so this strategic conversation, this is a critical piece to that onboarding. So thank you for driving that home. Yes, absolutely. You know, you have been marvelous to have with us. Of course, it's always fun and we don't get this a lot, but it's been great to have a guest on that Jared's been working with and has been on the other side of the table with and can speak to some of these trainings and these attitudes that you bring to our nonprofit sector. Rose Snyder, coach and consultant. Check her out at rosenyderconsulting.com. What an amazing approach that you have that you can bring to our nonprofit sector. And I'm so delighted that you shared it with us today and our viewers and listeners of the nonprofit show. It's been really great to have you with us for this limited time. And it has blown by, as I mentioned to you in the green room chatter, it's gonna go by fast. We're gonna have to walk fast. And I'm Julia Patrick. I've been joined by the nonprofit nerd herself, Jared Ransom, we've been delighted to have you. And we wanna make sure that we give our gratitude and our thanks to all of our presenting sponsors who have been with us many from the very beginning. And they include Bloomerang, American nonprofit academy, your part time controller, nonprofit nerd, fundraising academy, Steffen Boutique and nonprofit thought leader. These are the folks that join with us each and every day to put on another episode of the nonprofit show. Jared, wonderful to see you again, my friend. We've been separated a little bit, but we're back together. And so happy belated birthday. Thank you. Rose, thank you so much. Thank you both, I really enjoyed it. What was a lot of fun. As we like to end every episode, we remind ourselves and we remind our viewers and all of you and the nonprofit sector to stay well, so you can do well. We'll see you back here tomorrow everyone.