Like I just learned that laughs is equivalent to claps.  Oh man people clap. It's like it's like in the lab Yeah, I've been experiencing it for the first time.  Oh, man. That was amazing I'm ready to start the episode right now You feel me? Hey, it's the Cali kickback man. Yes, then me. It's your boy. Louis belt family. We back at it again Yes, then me christen Christina Mack in the building. I'm talking about how you feeling girl. I feel great You feeling good? We got a special guest in the building right now You feel me? I already know what time it is y'all to see there on netflix. Yes, then me She part of the the the legendary and famous family the wangs The what the wings the the wings the wings like chicken wings Just do it sound like I'm putting the in you sound like wings wings big wings Well, y'all y'all legendary wings in the wings Am I saying it right? It's wands Wands. Yeah, you see there you go. Oh the wings brothers And I'm saying wang. Yeah, man. You messed it all that I was saying that too. You were saying it too Damn, this is brothers. How this is what I said y'all young y'all young in these streets. Give it to us again. Give it to us again Wands the way is way Like way here like way why you had to go to the street Yeah I wonder I wonder if everybody do probably mispronounce I know I've been doing that As long as I can remember I thought it was the wanes brothers No, well, I mean, yeah, but there's a whole lot more attached to that it is you said it right though Okay. Yeah, you said it right. It's just some people really spell it differently That's that'd be the biggest thing because it's like, you know, I'll tell people a make sure you follow me Assy Wayne CWA and if I'm not a spelt wanes and they always come out like w a y n e s or wine ins So people know when they had what it's supposed to be but they always spell it wrong Damn, that's crazy. Y'all family so legendary for the people that don't know Um, yeah, we got it. We always got to address that because the name is so that's like having I don't even yeah, my name's christina mackey. By the way Yeah, you always say christina mackey and I know that's a shortcut for you, but let him know my day Okay, you don't like you don't like the shortcut mac I like saying mac you could call me that Oh I gotta say mackey mac. Yeah, you gotta say mackey. I gotta say christina mac. Yeah. Okay. Okay.  Yeah, it is because Brandon is everything. Yeah.  In the family of the way ins. Oh man. I'm I'm the third Let's say I'm like the 13th child No, 14th because dwayne dwayne's older me. So we got 10.  Well in the projects. I thought you was the niece I am the niece of more. I thought you meant like what what number am I? Yeah, so yeah, because it's so many Yeah, yeah, my bad. So to to be clarified. Yeah, I'm the niece of them of marlon king and damon shaw Oh, okay. Wow.  It worked so hard to be embracing fully accepted as like one of the You know pillars in the family.  I I mean, I let me put it this way. I did before That was a lot of pressure for me before coming in the game and and putting out my career And I think when you start building your audience and and people start rocking with you You just realize like you don't have to be them. You know what I mean? You don't have to be them You know a lot of doors opened up and stuff like that, but I think now I think now I've kind of proven myself enough to not feel that anymore. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you accomplish a lot in the game. I um, I seen an interview like Some years back and you was on comedy hype and you was You was talking about your struggles hate them. They come to the game Wow comedy hype get a lot of negative feedback from the comedians. I don't like Put it this way I was in a dark space when when I did an interview and I feel I the truth is they were so Positive it was almost like teen summit when they first started And then they just got with the how do we How do we uh get into the the almost Zeus network? You know, I mean, how do how do we get shady? And I I they don't really show people in a in a light that I think that they used to So I take it but I don't hate a lot of people But I just feel I feel like they changed and they didn't have to Hmm, I didn't heard that from several comedians. That's crazy that you vocalized a lot of drama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.  Oh, she an artist. Yeah. Yeah, and um, you sang I do I sing rap engineer Come on now. So she won't really be knowing about a lot of comedy. I don't know. Yeah, but um, I I do pay attention because He's my friend and I like But I think it's I think it's dope and I would love to go to that show on Friday. I know I wasn't invited Yeah, I'm down to laugh always. Yeah. Yeah. So you you've been uh, you've been at it consistently Uh, well respected in this industry. Um, a lot of people might know you from they ready on netflix Oh, that was like a big that was a big, uh, that's a big deal. That was huge Right huge. Yeah, that's that's the way I feel like it's supposed to be done Uh, especially when you at your high point, I never understand why people don't want to take people with them And and not that you gotta help them flourish their entire career But what tiffany did was put 12 people on not only when we did our season I don't know about the second season but with the sixth comedian she had she also went to try to develop a show with us and Just with that You you know, I I love you for life. I I owe you. Yeah, you know, I'm saying that's that's that's loyalty all day right there Yeah, no, that that's it. That she was hella dope. Uh, what's your relationship with tiffany haddish? How did that come about?  And sometimes I'll be going up to the same row But I'll be like come through whoever win win and it we just kind of had this like Ain't no shade, you know, I'm saying whoever gets through the door first Whatever the case can be do it and I remember tiffany did girl strip and we knew it popped off We was in the theater theater full of white people and they stand in novation.    She said I'm coming. I'm coming. Yeah. All right. She'll come That's dope. Yeah, that's really yeah, she did the ice ourselves. You know, I called this. She's like, I'm coming Yeah, we was up there. Oh, yeah Yep, you sure did. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, what's more important in this in in the industry you feel like is it most important to be as a comedian to be Funny or have good relationships with other comedians Oh, man, I mean You can't tell where we are in 2023. That's self-explanatory. It's the definitely the relationships I don't relationships can keep you out the door Yeah If you don't have the lack of relationships could keep you out the door Absolutely.  So like you can't come Yeah, but what about how how this stuff be like with social media nowadays? Like a lot of people Um are very popular in doing they thing It got their own fan base from online or whatever Yeah, and they might not have the same relationship as you but they might be bigger than you in a sense to people You can only get so far by yourself. Yeah, but but but that's what I think You gotta understand like the legends. There's a lot of people out there celebrity wise who Didn't like all this stuff when it first started and then You know, like you said people build their own fan base. They making their money and at a certain point you gotta you go I gotta accept it. You know, I mean, but people I don't know if you remember when instagram only had 15 seconds But people are arguing like yo, you stealing my stuff with the woot and then you just realize like it Don't matter that the fan base Will come argue with you and you be like, yo, I did this already So at that point I feel like I feel like a lot of celebrities and people who had a voice back then that maybe could have stopped it Made it okay And that just opened up a different a different way. What is it exactly? Well, I'm making it okay to not be funny to You know to be um Yeah, just be hacky all those things and i'm saying that because now they're in videos with these people and they Doing this stuff, but it's not funny. It's not I say that all the time You can't but I will never hate on somebody making money. There's people that's millionaires now right now off of that and I think It depends on what you want There's different levels to this game when you get in it Which is how famous do you want to be because that's gonna cause a lot of sacrifice And I'm not just talking about family and stuff like that. You're gonna see a whole different world You're gonna have to abide by rules But that's a whole different level of when I hear people go. I want to be famous famous That's different from like I want to be great. I want to be because you can still be famous You could you could be an independent artist and have uh, a huge fan base and making money But be authentically yourself. You know what I mean? So so It's just different levels to it. Yeah I was gonna say can I ask you what's your destination like where where do you If if everything went your way and it will If you allow it, what is your destination? Oh, I want to be great. I want I want to be considered, you know I love creating I will be I will yeah, I will be thank you for that I just finished this gratitude book too But I will I will be great and I will be Creating I I'm one of those people I like to think of myself like if I could follow anybody's footsteps So it'd be my uncle Kenan or Robert Townsend because I think they you know build something But they also was able to envision and see talent and and that's even greater like Imagine if the network just had the ability to choose The comedians and the actors that was on a living color I'm sure that show would have kind of won a different way But for Kenan to be able to hand pick a Jim Carrey or a Jamie Foxx and stuff like that and see the works And that that's what I do when I go out I could see somebody bomb on stage But they're trying they're saying something it's just not hitting and I'm like no no no no you don't understand funny You don't understand that's funny or or that's a tv show or stuff like that So I just I I will just be creating and developing and to be honest like I don't I don't set those goals as far as like This is this is all I can be if I could just be in that field and be creative. I'm all game Yeah, because I feel like a lot of stuff didn't change because why I ask you the relationships are I would say not even say being good just relationships are having your own fan base online because I feel like This is it's a different time. I kind of feel like Back in the day. It was all about relationships and talent. Yeah now is more about how many people you believe I mean, how many people believe whatever you're selling Yes, and you don't even got to know these people Like a tiffani haddish or being hollywooder. You don't got to do all of that.   But but there's You can be doing your thing. So here's what's funny to me There's a lot of people who are doing really well as an influencer Still want to be on netflix still want to billboard still want to be on fox still want to be on all these networks That wasn't messing with you and you built your own thing and I say this all the time I think about like the the independent route where people could stream and facebook has given away millions to content creators And you can really sit back and create something golden But I don't know why I had to bring far What was I saying it's still not be recognized for what it is.  You you got 30 million followers But you need to be On something bigger. That's what the relationship did for you So the relationship gives you almost like an escalator route Versus having to take the stairs and I believe in taking the stairs because then you fall and you get picked up And then you do it, you know, you have to really learn do the dirty work basically But when you have relationships with people you really are able to take shortcuts And you really are able to get elevated quicker because they can pull you up You can have a million followers But if everybody else who's respected then the game doesn't respect you because you haven't given them their respect I would assume that they'd be like closing doors for you and not necessarily taking food out of your mouth But no, we don't really want to bring them on. It's not taking food out of his mouth.   You can't be taught consistency. Yeah, that's either something you have or you don't It's a decision you make.  Yeah, when they see you going viral all of a sudden Yo, they like it everything they do and the loyalty Is just completely gone, which is always weird to me because You see this circle happening all the time. You don't have to Treat people a certain way and I get it. My mind be all over the place I can't think about everybody and how their well-being is but I guarantee you if I do I got text messages of of people that I just vibe with that. I'd be like, yeah, man I hope your mental is cool. I hope you're good And when you start realizing that people ain't feeding that back to you. It just it's like I don't understand it. But more so the minute you pop off on something all of a sudden everybody like I knew it. I believe I always knew that should be real for show. It's happening to me right now.    She ain't asked for nothing. She ain't That's why I asked for nothing. They say close mouth. Don't get fed. I'm gonna be fed regardless Right, right, but if I don't ask him for nothing, I know for show. Yeah It's it's no, that's a fact man y'all so simple and it makes no sense to me. Yeah, so simple. It's so simple You married. Yeah, I'm married. I was just gonna ask when did when did you get married for what's today's date? Uh, no, uh, it's may 20th may 20th. Uh, what year? Uh, this year. Oh, really? I'm a fresh like You just graduated out of the street Yeah, yeah, these streets are so bad Let me tell you something. I say this I got a unicorn my my wife got her own business. Can I plug that? He said no, okay No Dirk literally said India's name on a drink I just every time I mention her I like let me plug it, but she got her own business which is uh, Natural hair plus body care products and it's marshawnaco.com. Uh, but you know that rhyme? Yeah Yeah But she does that uh, she she cooks she like being home she cleans she do that stuff Not that I feel like women have to do it, but it's just it's the way she Has home every time I'm there, you know, I mean no matter how hard her day works and all that stuff without asking Without asking which makes me go damn. I gotta step my game up. I gotta do this. I gotta do that She's she's a unicorn. Yeah that what's her sign.  Oh man. I think my mama leo. We good. You a gemini.  I love Burgers are definitely terrible. I know why do why do people so Beyoncé's a Virgo Oh my god, we know But she's not crazy. Is she crazy? I like I now that Virgo. Okay My birthday is the day after her. So if you like her you love me I just think y'all think too far and y'all y'all don't y'all don't really A lot a lot of Virgos. I know don't have accountability. Oh, that's not me really That's the sign thing. Yeah. Yeah, because I deal with a Virgo and I'll be helping her, you know, I'm saying What Accountability yeah, I'm like, what? How old is she? I hope we're the same age. We're the same age 29 You know, I'm saying I hold her account. I have no problem with the count when I'm wrong. I'm like, you know what? I was wrong. I'll say it in the moment. I have no problem with accountability. That's not a something Relationships or your friendships and everything. I gotta I gotta see my teacher. Yeah, we gotta see this You know, I'm accountable, but in a relationship. I don't know relationship is completely different. You're right You're right. I said the same thing. Yeah I like the honesty though. Yeah, you're right. Okay. I come in. I never understand that when people I just did this show And somebody I was like who's crazy and the girl's like me But I was like I most of the time the the girl's gonna point to the other partner, you know, I mean I think and in my I've only had one relationship in that relationship He and I would both say that I was crazy But the things that he was doing was triggering me But that's how you know, I was crazy because I wasn't able to identify the fact that I'm being triggered And that I need to remove myself. That's crazy.  You're crazy. Yeah, so I was crazy But now If I'm being triggered to the point where I want to act as anything that I'm not. Yeah I'm out of the situation. Yeah, I'm out. I'm quick. I'm out. That's a big move. Yeah Because that was one of the things I was saying like, you know, sometimes I'm speaking on females because that's what I date but Sometimes women will complain or nag and it's like either leave Or try to figure out the medium But anything else is crazy. Anything else is crazy.  Why are you trying to go through my phone and do all this stuff and you know, I'm cheating It's really just gonna make me want to do it more. That's a fact. She yeah, I I have a video I said everything you just said. Yeah, everything. Yeah, I literally have that it's out already Yeah, I said that do men do that Run through women phones Y'all can that's not the type of men I date. Yeah. Yeah, but but I think that When you get a man in love That's where it gets touchy a man in love is On the board of being on one of these murder mystery shows It's just hands down when I talk about love until my love love. Yeah, you know, I mean undeniable Like she the one Delusional delusional love that's that's the difference between being in love being delusional While your girl in jamaica getting her thighs rubbed by them Boy, I'm going to pay for the trip. All right. So so before you was married, right?  I Think I think for me that's my male or women. Yeah, like all right for instance, right? Men always talk about women's body count. No, I'm saying her like if let's say she's dating You talking about this? Yeah Yeah, before you was dating dating a woman who might have slept with men Oh, that's what you said.  Yes. That was the question in the gay community a woman dating a woman It still matters if the woman got a high body count or not Yes, but that can go for the men or female even if even if the lesbian Has smashed like a lot of studs The woman's a lot of a lot of studs is me.  It's the walking in the room Going damn. Did you smash my girl?  I think it's all ego.  It's about exclusivity. That's the whole thing.  Yeah I've said that for years. That's what do that matter for women too. Like, yeah Yeah, but I mean I'm not dating a man if he told I'm not gonna not date a man if you told me like I've had this many if if for if you were able to catch my attention There's something about you of quality. I would assume right?  He slept with 27 girls in college. He slept with 43 Carried the one like I don't care. But for a woman it is different because we have a womb You know I'm saying like we you're inserting something inside and for men. It's not that deep Yeah, you know I'm saying so I that's that's funny. You say that because that's where my cycle a lot like it's not like Oh, you just talking to a girl or a man. It's like I already know how nasty people could be Yeah, so it's like when you think when you start hearing like People know only got aids and HIV or you know herpes and stuff and they still smashing You start going like I that's where I can't deal with the body count You know, I mean, but like she said like I love giving heads, so I don't want to come outside In the head be showing, you know what I mean like on my right. Yeah Yeah, little bum, but like no, you don't understand. She was fine.   Yeah. Yeah I don't know about these. I don't know for myself. I'm but see me.  You could get crabs and you could get herpes woulda called them I see what you're saying, but I don't know, you know, you can have crabs because they go to what go away It's it's everything else and I think I need to know something about crabs It's crabs still out.  I think they're like little crabs crabs. I think they're I don't know. Where do they come from so many questions? See, I can't even look at stuff like I'm over here looking at My mom's gonna be like, why are you googling crabs? Right? Is it like laces or something like like lice? I mean lice That's what I was thinking.   Oh, that's what they look like No, no, it's like a little it's like a little That looks like a mosquito Mosquito fly they look like the new that's one under the microscope. They sent out. So it does look like a little crab That's nice. Thanks. What's the high body count to y'all? Christina, I'm gonna ask you first I mean anything over one is technically high because You like so you got a high body count Everybody has a high body count. I don't anything over one. That's not your That that's not a person you've been in a relationship anything over a person you've been in a relationship So however many relationships you've been in if you have more bodies than that that's a lot It is what it is, but it's like don't make it wrong. I never heard that opinion. That's just my opinion. That's why you never heard it She's only been with one person. Yeah, no, no, I haven't only been with one person. I never said that I haven't said you only dated one person. So the fact that I've only been in one committed relationship with one person So anything over one would have been a high body count. Why would I sleep with any other man if I wasn't in a relationship? So I did but but I'm asking you have you only been with one person.  You like nigga. Hold on Relax It's not miles on this tank But it also is It's grown Listen, but at the same time, I don't I don't really think the body like I wouldn't count the body Count if you took care of it.  Christina.  What you talking about Right So, you know, I just got a facelift I've not done anything don't even water And then the needle pisses me off. This is where you cut the clip. You don't even give me a chance to explain That's what pisses me off about you. I don't need to explain myself.  I just um, how you feel about pleasure surgery to women getting I think they should do it You know, they said sky did that from that show loving your ink up crew or something Crew crewing I know of the show She had kids black and black and crew. Yeah, she had kids real young and they said that she went and got what she said It on the show. She went and got her whole thing rejuvenated with pussy. Yeah snip clip pull pop That's what they should be doing.  No, I hate because that's what niggas really care about I hate to bring this up because that show like a lot about me But I gotta bring it up But like I was on instagram the other day and the girl took a picture in a bikini And like her legs weren't crossed but they were kind of open just a little open And you could see the meat like you could tell she was a girl, but you could see the meat and I was like You know what's weird though, there's somebody out there or somebody's that's like Don't you cut that meat? You better leave that meat right where it says I will take you as the meat is okay. Nah, you're right. You're right. Everybody likes that But I was just shocked to see that like why would you post that? Yeah, not your meat I mean the meat is supposed to be the one thing that's she probably making a lot of money in her DMs off that meat You understand that yeah, it's showing for a reason. It's showing for a reason It's somebody he like wear that out uh on this interview on that clip bring that little meat out Bring that little meat out that thing This people got some weird Yeah, you're right like fantasies. You're right. I shouldn't even said it, but I said it. Yeah, I noticed it. I was like, whoa That's correct. Do you feel like you can get counseled by? Uh, you can't cancel me. I'm a product of God. I think cancelling is God can't cancel you. No, no I am of God. No, God could cancel me real quick, but I'm saying I am of God So no, but no human can cancel me. I think if you can get canceled you you you will let yourself get canceled You didn't keep applying pressure. You didn't stand on how you felt Because most people get canceled and go silent for a few weeks like no But that's that's all they team tell them come on man. You can't you gotta relax.  That's why yeah, that's super. Why you canceled yourself Yeah, but I think there's certain things that's cancelable. You know what I mean? You got to be very careful.  You're doing Uh, you know abuse and stuff. I mean, I'm sure like it wasn't directed towards that, but I'm saying like, uh There's a lot of stuff that's cancelable, but it's it's hard When you trying to be out there again, what level are you trying to be on? You have your own platform You could be who you want to be if you are playing to the masses.  That's a fact.  You do that, but if you really want to get here You got to put your ego in pride. That's what even if you don't mean it Yeah, and unless unless you establish your own lane your own thing You could be exactly who you are. Yeah, you know what I mean, but yeah Yeah, that's the that's where I'm striving though. I want to be so myself that I'm not apologizing for what I say Yeah, I can't see you. I'm not for everybody. I'm not for everybody. Yeah, and if you are for everybody You're not yourself. Yeah, because there's never one size that fits all Yeah, I'm saying so it's like I want to get to a point that I'm so successful That you can't cancel me because she's really like that. Yeah, like she's really just being herself You know I'm saying and I will I I'm I'm there already. I'm catching up to myself. You know, I'm saying So like I just I want that for myself because I don't want because want means you don't have I am that I don't I will not apologize for anything I say And I meant oh, that's tough though The truth is you we we change right as we grow we we grow different opinions or we might meet somebody in life that Gives us gives us a different perspective exactly of what we previously thought, you know That's why conversations. Oh, I feel like always need to be had, you know with a lot of everything pretty much But I think that's when it becomes a like, ah, you know, that's how I thought back in the day This is a little different. You know what I mean? But yeah a lot a lot of things Especially in the comedy world It's like people will take a word out of your joke or what you're really trying to say and that's all they heard Can I ask you something? Yeah, are you a taylor swift fan?  Yeah, and I was saying taylor swift sell more She'd do more bigger numbers than Beyonce Well, I mean Yeah, I Number wise she's bigger. Yeah, I would probably It's weird. I would have to see them go toe-to-toe like that's one of the things you go I want to see y'all drop an album on the same day But tell I don't think we don't need to see that.  All right. The the issue though is that taylor Still does more like Beyonce be like, I'm gonna chill Might have some babies do a photo shoot of this new clothing line Then I'm gonna go back in the hive Then I'm coming out with an album and I'm going on tour.  You know what I'm saying? Taylor swift is in the in the news constantly differently from Oh, right now.  Yeah, because jay-z watching. She better not be wrong these motherfucking streets. Yeah For moments see the queen at the kickback. Yeah I could see the queen at the kelly kick back. I could see the queen. I didn't mean this kick No, but when you said kick back, I just thought of the show and said I didn't see Beyonce chopping gang with her She on top of all yeah, no Beyonce ain't coming but Taylor Swift will come you think so Shit, I think I get queen b if it's the motherfucking foe taylor I was saying that's how much she'd be out there Taylor twaler swift Taylor setting off careers though, then she did that with ice spice got her a whole new fan base After her boyfriend didn't say something racist Oh, for real? How you know about telling you don't know about telling I don't be that's how I not know about her I don't know what you're talking about. No, I know she do numbers. That's all I know I'm not denying. What's the stats? No, then she do more millions of views on youtube apple play apple music all that She has a machine behind her. That's not humans like That's my belief. She is the machine She the machine Exactly Beyonce is doing humans Numbers. Yeah, who's your top five comedians all the time? Come on man That's that's so tough That's so tough because there's so many different things. Don't be politically correct. This ain't a political. It's not politically correct. It's just No, no, I just um, I've only seen him like hoes. I've never even really seen you never seen my set Let me think about it. I've never seen you said stop stop trying to find it I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing. I don't think it's bad.   Yeah, niggas you hear Exactly, but uh, I feel that all the way. But I want you to see my second I know you don't steal jokes. No, but I'll be mad if you saying something that I speak on I that just happened to me and I'm Oh, no, I kind of mentioned that because I'm still mad. It's thug mansion.  Don't be scared It's thug mansion. What what's going on?  Listen, man. It's the special out already. Yes, it is Oh, okay.  Oh, no, this just came out. Did he took your joke?  Yeah, it's it's like you and you could tell like low-key I want to just put the joke out like the full joke because I'm like You missed the entire You know the comedian you missed the entire thing Why you can't say it was well because I'm I'm still on the debate of I'm gonna keep it But I want to expand it in a different way But it's just it's key words that you go Somebody either gave you that joke or you saw me do it And again, I think I'm more upset at the fact that you just wasted it It's so much more to the joke.  Yeah.  I want to do that. I'm not gonna do that You ain't trying to go viral fast No, because this the this this is Oh 11 11 a make a wish um This is the only time that I will back down from not saying something like this Really? So the comedian must got it must be pretty big if the comedian Must be pretty big They're big, but it's it's like putting up a fight For you know for for no reason Why Because it's it's not gonna it's not gonna change anything This this is one of things that this why comedians still jokes No, no, no, this is I'ma step to your face if I ever see you Didn't that's something different then what? At least I express why I got it out Me saying it on social media involving people that When this motherfucker is huge and I don't even know if it came from him or the person that opened for him You know me or the person who the people that was torn with him. It could be that's that's where it's at So if I can't specifically say I know you did it why am I gonna put myself out there and say something?  How do you guys prove who did it first? I got time. I always record myself whether it's on voicemail voice memo or Recording myself a video, but I have timestamps.     I came home.  I'm just saying like I got A special that was taped before the show even came out So it'd be stuff like that.  That's never made me laugh.  I don't care who said it really. I'm just trying to laugh But that's that's what I'm saying I go go such and such did it and then y'all be on there and then nobody wouldn't give a Well, he shot it first If I'm gonna be honest and totally respectful if that story was on the show room Like so and so told a joke and so and so told a joke and apparently they saw I would keep scrolling I don't care who who made me laugh first.  Yeah, that's what happens all the time It happens to me all the time and all my videos like you said are dated I'll say a topic It'll literally do millions and millions of views and a girl will get on it literally who liked the video Yeah Will just repackage it. Yeah, and I'm like You could have just reposted my video, but it's like what I'm gonna do about it. Yeah, like get your views off I'm gonna get mine and eventually like Either it's gonna keep not adding up or y'all gonna like I don't know like it's frustrating to me It's not though It's not because like once I get it out and I said it and it's time dated and stamped I'm gonna let the universe do the work But see how long would it take for you to make a video on instagram? It takes me one minute to make a joke that should sometimes take two years. Yeah, I understand. Yeah, you're building You're like building an hour On stuff so prime example why some people get mad. It's like why everybody doing crowd work Why everybody not posting like what they do on the road and it's like because I can post that somebody could take that on the road And and again be ready to film a special and then they use just your joke and stuff like that I'm gonna give you this crowd work.  It's and when I say that I think everybody got some of the same crowd work Which is hey who y'all together or um, you know, how long y'all be knowing each other what you do for a living Yeah, what you do for a living and so unless somebody just say some wild stuff Or I've seen something and then I can get them on that But for the most part your crowd work is going to be very if you're going to take those jokes I'll put them out there because I don't know but I ain't talking about people taking the crowd work Taking one of your master your master. Oh, yeah You're not putting you putting the crowd work out there splashing the material Yeah, the comedians seeing your material and then they do the joke and then put it out there She said that happened to her. Yeah, that's what I'm saying So that's why I'm asking this question because that I think comedians need to be aware of that We're saving material that's not being saved And it's messed up because like artists like like painters or something like my home girl adrian Painted something or no, that wasn't adria.  Like how does the comedian get reimbursed for their efforts in words? Most of the time people just be like if you can't write anything, uh After if that's like you're proud and joy and you can't write other than that then you're not a real comedian But again, yeah, again, though if depending if you just on stage telling jokes, that's different, you know, mike epps could Get on stage and do a joke and then somebody taking you like ah, I got I got more of that You know, I'm saying but if somebody's working on an hour that's meaningful and you know I'm saying I got a storyline to it and stuff like that and then you take from there And then somebody goes off to make millions from it like like for example kevin harts joke about like What was the joke that his famous joke about all right all right, all right Yeah, like for example just that all right all right all right, right like that was big everybody knows him for that But like If he got that from you and then that's his signature now or that's his like funny joke That's his whole brand then it's like dang That's that's crazy.  It's like I've read this somebody go man. I like your writing Could you help me with my stuff or you know, could you come punch up? Could you you know, whatever the case may be?  Yeah Even what you just said Even what you just said about like a artist still in an artist's song. Yeah, you can still get paid exactly for that.   That's why I love I seen that nigga four times in a row Person said Monday straight for that reason now that I'm thinking about it It's like it seems like comedy is the only thing that can't get paid for copyright Yeah The truth is I think you can probably copyright anything you just You could sue or or go to court for anything. You just have to have Documents and money. Yeah, that's why a lot of people lose But not everybody documents.   That's the only reason why people lose. It's not that they don't have the proof They keep prolonging the courts They keep you know doing something to make you have to leave To revisit but you're spending money each time you get that lawyer to come in What you think you could have been if he wasn't a comedian? Oh, I'd have been like a computer science engineer or something like that Definitely something in technology. Would you feel like why you didn't become that? Truthfully I got accepted to two of the three colleges that I wanted to go to Instead of me going out of town because I wasn't that knowledgeable of it. I stayed In my saying community and I felt like I was it was an extended high school So it it I wasn't motivated.  You know what I mean? Anyway saying all that to say I didn't even really lose it. I got to use it in my life now So I I can learn something about technology and immediately absorb the information I might not be an explainant But I'd be like, oh, no, you want to do a live stream when we did the pandemic I literally like saw how somebody had it up and it was a huge backdrop No, I'm saying like a huge production And I was like, huh, you don't actually need all this you could take this and do that And I went and put it in my room I just said set it up and it worked.    I gotta send me that. That's on instagram. Yeah, man. It's like google Uh, woman going to get ice cream for men. That's like sexual.   Oh, yeah Yeah, two girls one cup.  I didn't get it.  Yeah, but they're eating it. They were eating it. Yeah They were like, yeah, they were actively doing that on camera Now since we're talking about it and I'm older that probably was like some program shit Like to show it was at two o'clock in the morning I seen it at school video. Yeah, like why was we in school? And we had to search really hard to find it What was that about? I don't know, but I remember that very vivid and then blue waffle I don't remember. I don't know what blue waffle was That's some y'all know about blue waffle. Oh Oh, y'all nasty y'all in there like Google it Google std blue waffle std blue waffle. Yeah. Oh std. Well, you throw that in there Well, it's the waffle that that google it right now.  I think it's like show it to me, but show it to her I think it's like when your lips or something like explained and it's blue and it's like fungy That sounds cool. Do it. All right. Let me guess what it is blue waffle.   Oh my That was a good guess. I mean, that's just sound cool. Well, it ain't sound cool But I'm saying that's just sound like what it might be somebody right y'all.  Let's look on shot.    You see it. I just see a blue waffle. You see a blue waffle.  Yeah, I got we got to put in std. Yeah, because it's probably just blueberry waffles std I can't I'm never doing this podcast again.  Yeah, I didn't even see it But I saw it and I want to look Hey Is that the blue waffle?   Yeah, what it looked like A vagina There's a blue and puffy Oh, so my guess was right. My guess was closer. Let me see. Hold on.  That's funny. That's it, that's him That's him. That's him That's him.  No, that's him right there. What is it? That's a puffy. Oh my god. That's a puffy pussy. I told you I was close.  I don't know, but he was blue waffles like you want.  That was the two things that really just stuck with me and my childhood And I remember seeing them like weeks apart and I was just like Like just disgusting. I would have never had sex if I would have saw that as a no, I was I was like that I was really like that. I would have been terrified. I was really like that.  No, we've seen it on a phone somehow. Like I don't remember You know the man How old do you think I am? Uh, do you look about 21? I'll take it. I'll say y'all both Why is it inappropriate to ask women their age? It it's just not what you do. It's only inappropriate when you get older And then you ask When you when you young and you're like I'm 21. You're like ask me ask me Guess how old they are? When you reach a certain age and you hate your life It depends about 25 after 25 like I I think it depends on where you at and uh, how you how you look what how much Trauma and experience that you put on your life to look how you look Because you can say you can say 30 you can say I'm 45. Don't I look good? I work out. I'm healthy I got my career going like I don't I don't mind me. She's 65. Yeah, but see I'm telling you my age Better than half of these chicks Nicole Murphy too She looks good. Oh, yeah What's the age limit so 25 and up? I don't know. I don't know, but I just don't ask me my age You know, especially if you're younger than me like don't ask me my age I just realized maybe insecure about the age.    You weren't supposed to ask that Tell me how old you think I look 80 niggas.  Yeah How do I look I mean, I always just say a good number a good number to say it's 27 28 Yeah, that's a good number for anybody. You can't go too low. You can't be like 15.  I hate that. Yeah, because I be like, I don't know but a lot of A lot of times people just want a compliment. That's what they're fishing for But that's like your hair is nice, but like you look old for sure. That's fun. You look stressed Damn It's true. I'll say that.  What's that age? White White? Yo, you wildin. It's almost midnight That was funny white. I don't get it.  No, I never told you there. He was mexican. Oh, yeah, that's different. That's white No, that's not how mexican was. Is he tan mexican? He was black mexican. Okay His name was jose though. No, no, that's fine. It just be when uh when you can't tell if they white Like a Shakira. Oh, I hate that. I'm lying to you right now. He had green eyes. Oh, yeah Keep going. Keep going. What else? He had the blonde hair. She got green eyes though I did but I got the complexion. Yeah, he got the complexion tail But he had dark hair.  I might be at a bargain with the cops before they lock me up Unless you touch my waffle. Yeah My one they ever seen a blue waffle You were turning into a female for it.  Like what you say I'm like They taste She a real nigga too.   I I will make you tea How you doing? How you doing?   What did you say? You gotta you gotta pull it to the side. I'm sorry. What did you say? I got a hooker top next to my wallet and my license. Yeah What's the opposite? I'm doing this. Look. Yeah With the hoodie What would you say officer? I'm sorry.  Okay. You gotta you gotta use what you got Why you think why you think I won't cut these off? This is my prize. Okay. I got a question Why do dykes always have the biggest tits and the Dykes is a Mean word very strong Oh, you use Say like no, why do studs I thought you used that word earlier.  I'm sorry. They just wish that wouldn't that become a bad word I'm okay. Okay.  I mean, you know I'm saying because that don't mean in the long lashes. It's like it's like it's like How why people are uh Freezing their bodies. They know later that this equipment could help them in life. You know what I mean? It don't make no sense every time I meet a stud. Oh, I was gonna say damn, that's deep This man was starting to get a cry. Oh, what's the thing they use? That's a good question, but why do women? That date women and carry theyself as men Politically, you're correct. What you like that? But you said it very slow why do women who date women? Have to date women That's watching this shit high right now So I gotta slow it down for them niggas know what we talking about all I'm saying is I've never met a stud Who didn't have titties yitties really didn't didn't have like most studs just have a body body They just got hips You know and then be swinging them and trying to maybe we've been molested the most You know what I mean?  You like we've been in these streets, okay?   I don't want to no comment Yeah, we say right, but you don't want to Go into that. Wow. I didn't say dude all that Yeah I never thought of that though.   You're right. If we whip it out again That's true.  They'd be my player like what's so good Oh, what's up with it? Oh mamas with the ones that don't got no All right, my last question. Do you wrap your titties?    I've been out all day in the strap that's hella funny No, I don't I don't I don't do that. I don't strap.      Yes, it is. No lesbians is for girls lesbians just Lesbians for girls.  I guess that makes sense. Okay Can To your lenses can men be bi because I feel like if you buy you gay I mean that's up to a female that they with that's up for the man. That's bi to decide I put it there. So I will give more leeway to a dude that give it then take it If I was to go wait, wait, wait A dude i'm saying the top versus the bottom What's the problem so you'd rather somebody take it and and it's different A nigga ain't doing nothing to me. Right. So I'm saying if you were gonna do something Lewis listen, this is hypothetically speaking.   Like, you know, I'm saying I think there's very rare dudes that could Hold that together. I think so too. There's no way. I think that they would try it and they would bend them over They would feel guilty about it. They would cover them up. Y'all sound like women right now Then you got you know, you got the drug you got the omission Not because you're up and men that think that they would never do or men that would never do it Let me put respect on your name men that would never do it. Excuse me You're not considering that men that don't know that they would do it. Exactly That's a whole different niggas, but I'm saying they they they some of them your friends They go to jail in 99 years. This be the crazy thing is that there's so many men that you probably hang around That have gotten there Something done.   So sorry for licking my lips so much because they get So we got to go back to this conversation make me uncomfortable So, yeah, uh, no El's for lesbian.  Mm-hmm. And then b's by trans LGBTQ Now q i a What is q for q is queer, but what is queer? This is where you're going like this. What does it mean to be queer?  Well queer I think is more When do you call can you get counseled by this community even though you in it? Not really. I think there's a lot of people that Like understand like we there's there's a lot of people you grew up at a certain time You're like man, nobody thinking about that You know i'm saying you like y'all adding stuff to the thing because Because some letters mean the same but it's different to people.  You know what I mean? It's what they want to be Okay, queer is not queer is an umbrella term for people who are not heterosexual or not cisgender What is that? Uh cisgender is like, uh Oh gosh, I think female I gotta keep god li I gotta I gotta google a word I edit this out because No, because Because they got cis women, uh, you you said what?  Yeah, but that's like you saying like a black comic can go on stage and be like, yeah I like trump because he did for us You know, I mean like like somebody coming on stage saying that Uh That they're for the opposite of what you should be for for the community. Does that make sense cis gender means I'm saying that's like a black person. It's it's like what's the dude that was running for government government in florida Something like that where he sound very, uh slavery. What was the dude? He was it was a big running.  Okay. Yeah, so I see what you say, but it's not even that. It's like I don't understand what you're saying. It's just like don't embarrass us.  Oh, I see what you say. So you'll get lgbt people out there like that You'll get that type of community. That's like No, uh, if you don't say this or stick up for this then you're allowing people to make it Okay for this and it's like no, I I like measure with both crowds I like understanding where we are and our rights and you know what we stand for and how You know, this is a beautiful thing that people are finding out who they are and Being accepted and loving themselves. You know what I mean? Let's suicide. Let's violence.  Uh-huh. Damn. Yeah That's like that's what I get to talk about but I have to be able to Push and pull I gotta be like, yeah, you right, but but You you know what I mean? It's that thing and that's what I get from your comedy Yeah, you know, I'm saying seeing you as an act and I kind of feel like them That's why I'm a fan because it's like you relate to You know how to relate to everybody.  No, I mean, I I love it because again, I'm always going to try to be like you're right But this I like finding that make good comedy right to you know And also just to kind of bring both comedians to get I mean Communities together because if you get people laughing at this and they don't feel like You're just one thing. Then I think that opens up conversation.  You should see me I'll be in all types of like Muslim dudes DMs or you know, following them Just I I'm just like learning and seeing what motivates people to live They're true for whatever the case might be as long as you're not hurting me. You know, yeah Yeah, I think that's hella dope.  I think she hilarious um Yeah, and it's just like it's so comedy is so like, um That's just it's like basketball in a sense where it's like you work Uh with different personalities different genders different all type of beliefs everything so it's like It's certain questions that like I'm asking you on this platform Because I probably would never even probably had this conversation with other people because I wouldn't feel comfortable But as a comedian, yeah, and you know, I'm saying like we so We got a heart but we so like numb the shit Well, you can ask kind of like comedians anything in a sense because you know Like where they coming from in a sense. I think that's the wrong thing about comedy Like we could talk about anything. Yep. That's true. Yeah.  You identify as a man. You're cis gender So I just learned that right now. I thought it meant the same thing but to finish it Do you know what all of them mean?  Um, I didn't know the intersex. I thought I was something else. And I don't know what that means What does they also have like other stuff too? So what is the intersex? Let me see because what intersex what uh, Intersex is a gender term used for a varied or variety of situations in which a person is born with a reproductive or A sexual anatomy that doesn't fit the boxes of female or male So it's kind of like when they have a vagina, but they don't want to Call or they'll be born with both. Oh, yeah, or they they You can be born with both. Yeah I didn't know that. That's her mephrodite. Yeah, sometimes doctors do surgeries on intersex babies and children to make their bodies fit They're just adding letters now.  Do you want a daughter or a son?  Now you're intersex So, I mean that's what I think you should you should hold off before you just cut one of them off Or something like born with two you gotta but if you do it young then you should keep both of them I mean real talk You would have had both of them, huh? Only fans page.   Uh-huh.     Oh, yeah, most you got a curve for sure.   Would you be a virgin? Yeah Would you be able to get yourself pregnant? These are a lot of questions, right? Yeah, would you be getting? Yeah, would that be able to happen? I just don't feel like this knowledge is gonna get us. I think I mean listen, you know, I think this is a great question But we don't know the truth about how the world was created is that there was one person Yeah, with a vagina hermaphrodite. There was no adamanty. It was adamanty. I have heard that. I have heard that Yeah They said like woman was here first and and that they were able to Have their own babies before like that's that's a what you call it. That makes sense though You you know what really can I tell you can I just share my little idea of the world? It don't look dry at all.  Sometimes I'm being videos. I'm like they Now your lips don't look dry at all. Thank you. I was about to go over there My idea of the world, okay I just want to say this I've never said this out loud. So I want to say it So, you know how we put God as a mythical creature above us Like that we pray to it and that we're not bigger than and we should fear it So have you ever looked at a cell under a microscope? Uh, yes, I don't remember. Yeah.  You see the galaxy What if we are molecules Inside of God's body Because when you zoom into the cells in our body, they're like planets like everything is a Cycle of the same. So instead of that's hella deep. I see what you saying though, you know Like and like when you cut an orange open, have you ever paid attention to the alignment? Like if you just cut an orange or you peel it you look at the veins What do we have inside of us veins? Yeah, what do the trees have veins? Yeah The trees and then like inside of your body you have a Golgi apparatus, which is like it's it's I know y'all don't know that But it's like, you know, I'm a nursing major. So like inside your body You have a packing and shipping department that literally before the food that you consume goes to the next department It goes and sorts it and then you have a gallbladder and you have all these things, right?  What do we eat?  It's electricity It's literally all the things that we have like amazon to go shunt send a package It's the same thing your body has inside.  Yeah, that's like amazon amazon package getting delivered Like Just drop drop Dropped off at your doorstep. They didn't ring the bell. I know I couldn't get far in this You was in so he's like, I'll fill you. What if you take a shit? Yeah and then But no seriously like everything is like the same and like I don't know if you if you see um If you see like the hills or the the mountains and they say like why does that look like a person or an animal? And they call it something when they when it when it's freeze. It's called Oh, it's something to my tongue. I don't know whatever we won't dig but Like the trees like just the underneath the the life system of the trees Like everything is the same as inside your body And like as a nursing student. I just learned so what is the booty?  But we're only praying to what we know and that's why they say you can manifest anything because it's not it's not that the Even if just by thinking you can manifest anything because the idea is getting sent up to god Which is the body like the big the big thing, right? Yeah, so it's like whatever the you know And then the rivers and the lakes those are all things we have in our body Think about drinking water and then it spells somewhere like the most of us too as well We're mostly made of water and then like so it's so on and so forth. Just like there's water that lives inside our body there's lakes and Things oceans inside of this body And this body could be the big body god the giant when it's stormy It could be like god crying and peeing at the same time Like this is like sad or he's drinking water or he's drinking water He's putting more water into us or something like it could be anything I got something what if god is just schizophrenic You know, I mean, you know how they say we are all baby gods and this thing is just we are all his personalities I believe that though. I do believe that that you're you're being funny, but I know I'm being funny But I also I also believe I mean, I believe that we're just if we're children of god, then we're little gods Yeah, I mean for a bigger you're not separate of him like in order for him to experience Every single thing it's like god is colors melted, right? Every color melted would be god and we're all the colors every color melted is then god So you're saying the personalities in order for him to know about murder and rape and Presidency and politics and all these things that all of us desire to be he has to experience them So the best way for him to experience it is for him to break himself off into all these particles and experience Life through us So he is creating as we are creating as we are telling our jokes on stage And as we are riding our bikes and as we're thinking of new ideas and making music and all these beautiful things He's learning new things through our experience. Yeah, so we putting game. We we giving god games Yes, yeah, yeah, so to not value yourself as a god Yeah, god game and he give it back man. We me and god be popping peas. Yeah, so to not value yourself as a god Is crazy because you are of god.  So that's what we're here for Damn, okay. See what's your mission? See nah, you see m jakes See I get I'll just take christina mackey. You know what i'm saying? TD jakes, how would it be be? You know, yeah, I don't know if I want that kind of guy though. I want I want I want to have a purpose for it If that makes sense, what do you mean meaning like That's that's kind of selfish to say. No. No. No. No. No. No, I want to be uh being a personality for this nigga to figure out who he want to be Well, I feel like that's just working for I know I I mean, I think ultimately we're all working towards one thing But I just I like the idea of I like the idea of reincarnation. I like the idea of like having you know But you never die if you live inside of god, you just get moved to the next moment Yeah, that is working for a purpose the purpose will be to for us all to remember who we are and we're we're all of god That's that's what I that's what I love. Yeah, that's what I love. I love the energy I love I love feeling like again reincarnation has been very Open to me. Yeah, um, but the different dimensions type stuff. That's where I'm like, I think all that stuff is dope I think it's dope too. And I feel what you're saying. I'm sorry to cut you off But I I think that I feel like that is it's really I think I think what you're saying is dope. Um And I think that still stands. Yeah. Yeah, I think I'm not saying my theory is law I'm just telling you that's really what I'm really stuck on that right now. Like I think about it all the time When I'm quiet, I'm thinking about that the whole molecule thing blew my mind.  You said, do you know that I'm Do you know that a rock is right here, right? This is a rock, right? That's some weed But this is a rock right From outside if you put this under a microscope and we have the right correct technology and you break that open It's movement. It's adam's moving in order to make it a rock So if you zoom out far enough, it's just a rock, but if you zoom in close enough, it's nothing but movement Oh, I see what you're saying. That's fire You know, it's crazy. I'm reading this book. I think it's the celestine Celestine prophecy. I read it. Oh, okay. I'm on chapter one But what I I love is the I'm talking about the critical mass and where we're going and how You know, it talks about We're in this transformation right now Like why relationships can't are not working Friendship relationships in general is because we're we're in this phase of everybody's about themselves So everybody's demanding like, you know, instead of nobody's submissive, you know, it's like, yeah, I get you But what about my trauma and so nobody's going like I get that I didn't know you react that way This is my thing. Let's work it out.  I literally made a video about that today and I said There's three choices in manifestation You can manifest directly powerfully and assertively knowing exactly what you want You can be very negative and say that you don't believe in manifestation and that the world is against you Or you can think that you're not a creator Subconsciously like you don't think about neither nor or and then the masses Their manifestation is Pulling you in so now you become a part of somebody else's manifestation unintentionally meaning If you're just some people like I don't manifest. I don't do none of that I just I'm just going day by day. This ain't that in the world small and it's nothing life outside of this When your friends right so let's say you think that way and you hang out with me And I'm manifesting a big life for myself And I'm telling you these stories and you're like, yeah, wow, great. Okay, cool I'm putting my thoughts in your mind and now you're now manifesting what I need So you're just a piece of the puzzle You're not here nor there. You're just Either or so you have three choices. Yeah, you can be direct You can be negative and manifest negatively people think that you can't manifest negative. Yeah, very hard You can keep fall you hit your toe in the morning.  She's moving like she has it. I have to give this to her I have to rush and give it to her. I got to catch up to her Versus saying I want you're forever gonna want it. Okay wanting your manifestation is granted because you just said you want it So here want it want it go ahead.  Yeah Like you really got it like we sometimes I used to be like my first round of college mind you I went to college at 16 Now I'm back as an adult. So my first round of college. I used to be like, I want to go to the school starbucks And you know, that's just six dollars. Right. I'm like I got to pay my phone bill tomorrow.  Yeah. Yeah, that's no ism in that. Yeah spend your money She read the magic book too. Yeah That's the gratitude book. I just finish off and it shifts things Two things that I think is really funny one. I used to you know, put a lot on my wife I used to you know complain about stuff But I try not to complain on the outside, but I you know get home I was just like, yo, you know, boo boo boo the Monday she goes In my my morning time.  I want to wake up. I want to meditate I want to you know, listen to michael beth with I I need my morning to be peaceful And I got so mad.   And so It took me to go.   I didn't try to three times in a day Three six nine six times in the evening nine times at night for 30 days. Everything is yours Listen, I when I tell you it's it's change this this before I got into this I remember um You know, I have my my updates and bad days of like having money right and I remember Yeah, yeah, I mean this is Before but I remember going I remember going at a certain point like there's nothing I could do about it I'm in this situation. So I say that to go. I remember doing this show in new york and they paid me. I think 2,500 right Was it 2,500 was 15 Regardless for the for the purpose of the story. It was like I think 1,500 um That was my money to take care of back bills And I was sitting there and I was just like man I was I didn't have rent.  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but Shit like that. What happened anytime I go I I don't know what I'm gonna do.  You could do about it And I ain't go. I just learned that.  I can't control In life.  I used to try to control didn't happen to me and it's like Let me live more because I can't control life in this Yeah, so that's raw that y'all saying that because a lot of people probably watching this right now And thinking about shit.  You know Listen, we getting all deep and stuff. It's it's real That's it's a big thing of why I watch, you know, who I'm around and you know, the The music like I think about how many murders or gangbangers or certain things that happen and it takes a real Psycho person to not be on any type of drugs or liquor And other To go out and just kill niggas or do certain things.   Yeah in thousands and thousands. Yeah, mama's that got a lot to do with our energy They're hurting. They're crying the death hurts.  And then pop Louis I just tell you what's so funny about y'all about the rat thing.     You wasn't supposed to eat that.  I would love to recommend a book though. I am you should read. I am I am Uh, I don't know his name, but y'all look up these books.  Hold on. Let me check my library. Hold on. All right.   So look this is what we're gonna do Why before we wrap it up Y'all telling the book the people the people that's watching y'all tell them the book they need to watch They need to watch watch or read. I mean read the book.  Oh, I get it. I ain't reading Anyway, uh, I would say start with the magic the magic is a great 30 days really good The magic it's the same same people that made the secret Oh, okay. I heard of that magic. Yeah, okay I recommend y'all to read cap the underpants.  No, I real talk. No, I think last book I read was uh Well, damn the actual book I listen a lot of out of your books. Yes, that's great. That's qualified Yeah, I listen to it on audible. It's called one truth.  Prince. That's the last one I listen to the whole thing one one truth one lot I'm going nigga. 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You're welcome back, it's still the breakfast on PLOS TV Africa and before we go to the headlines of the news, remember that we said that a lot of things are happening and it's good to know some of these things. Subsidy removal, Governor Obaseki reduces workdays for civil servants to three times a week, increases minimum wage to 40,000 Naira. Remember that the TUC is asking for 200,000 Naira, so he has proven he's very proactive and he's increasing it to 40,000 Naira. Let's see whether the TUC will keep quiet and say he has done what they wanted done for the workforce. Also, we have a story where the National Assembly, especially particularly the reps, have declared Nigeria Air Launch a fraud. They say Nigeria Air Launch is a fraud. Let's see how they are going to pursue that case and bring it to a conclusion. If it is a fraud, we find that the people who are supposed to be held responsible for this fraud are prosecuted and possibly jailed. Because we've seen how the Abracadabra that was behind the launch of the Nigeria Air, in fact there was a plane that was brought and nothing else changed in the plane apart from the painting and it was said that billions were used to paint a plane. Well, I don't know, I've never owned a plane so I don't know how difficult it is to paint a plane. So one plane could take like 10 billion Naira to paint. I don't know how that works. But if they have found out that this is fraud or they suspect that this is fraud, we Nigerians are watching to see what they are going to do about it. We know they are not the enforcers of the law but they make the laws as well and they can influence a lot of things that happen in our country, Nigeria. If they have felt or they are feeling that it is a fraud, let them prosecute the person that is involved or the people that are involved and let's see how that goes. The tent assembly, maybe they will just be the thing that we need, the magic wand that we need to make Nigeria as great as we want it to be. Let's see how that goes. Well, so we will go to the newspapers right now and try to see what the headlines are. Maybe some of those ones that we just read now will be there on the papers as well. But let's start with the nation newspaper. The nation newspaper before us is starting with the headline, Tinibu in Crucial Talks Over Senate President Speaker. In Crucial Talks Over Senate President Speaker. That's the leaders of the national assembly. That's the major headline there and the writers are President Ergyz, Wasi, Batara, Gaddi, others to accept party's choice. Meeting slated with APC Governor's NWC Senators Rep Select today. So that meeting will happen and we will see what the outcome of the meeting will be. We have other smaller headlines. On top of that newspaper, that front page, we have Nigeria Air Launch, a fraud, Rep Panel Claims, OK, NLC. Why we suspended planned strike and then OB endoses subsidy removal. You can find that story on page four of the nation. Senate OK's 20 Special Advisors for President and manufacturers spend 76.7 billion era on power in six months. That's a whopping sum. OK. There's also that worrisome story. Some NWX Governors, dined with terrorists, says Kaduna Governor Obasani. OK. Filing discrepancies tall article PDP partition. That's also on the nation. Cops slams lawyer with 20 million fine over frivolous antitinable case. OK. Those are the headlines we are ready to take from the nation. OK. We should move to another newspaper. From the nation, we go to the punch. The punch should be another next newspaper. Subsidy reps demand NNPCL audit over unaccounted two trillion Naira assets. Riders are some NNPCL subsidiaries bought crude oil without evidence of payment, as according to the lawmakers and legislators, OPS, back refineries privatization. Uba bold drivers begin nationwide strike. Interesting. Uba bold drivers begin nationwide strike. Whatever their reason is, you can find that story on the front page and continued on page 2 and 19. Obasa re-elected speaker as Samo Lu inaugurates Lagos assembly. We got that news yesterday. Obasa has been re-elected the speaker. This is the third time consecutively he's been elected speaker of the house in Lagos. That's history. Anti-inauguration lawyer finds 20 million faces NBA probe. Police investigate assassination of U.I. professor and journalism icon, ex-Daily Times editor Hannah Inahoro for UK burial today. OK. We rest in peace. House alleges Ford asked Tinobu to suspend Nigeria air. You find that on page 19 of the punch. 51 jostle for Kogi Bayosa emo governor seat. That is on page 29. And finally, Senet throws out Buhari's controversial water bill. That bill is really controversial. So now Senet has thrown it out. Page three, you'll get the full details of that news. OK. Those are the headlines on the front page of the punch. We'll move now to Daily Trust. Daily Trust is next. And the biggest headline there is subsidy removal. Artisans, business owners, accused NLC, TUC of selling out. CSOs knock unions. One's other Nigerians covered. Why we suspended strike label? Fear of business loss looms. Manufacturers Association of Nigeria said that civil society leaders activists to go ahead with mass protests. OK, so even if there's no strike from NLC and TUC, civil society leaders will still go ahead. The smaller headlines there above presidential tribunal adjoins over INX failure to supply PDP materials. Reps declare Nigeria air launch fraud. Want officials involved prosecuted. Then IFC supports BUA with $500 million facility to boost Sokoto plan. OK. We do hope we're going to be having a cement very, very cheap after now. OK. Still on Daily Trust. Drama as Nassarawa assembly gets two speakers. Nigerians will say now, now. OK. Food crisis looms. Famers tell Tinobu and UI professor shot that in a bad on that will be all from Daily Trust this morning. And we move to nature news. The biggest headlines headline on nature news as Nate. Nature news publisher urges companies in Nigeria to on payment of plastic tax. A of DB determined to fight pollution as according to borrow legislation required for success as former minister said that and you should be in the fight against plastic pollution. That is Safia. Other headlines are a delicate creates ministry of environment and climate change. That's new. We have also global food prices index drop in May according to the United Nations. Nigeria adopts policy legal ways. Others for waste management. Subsidy removal. Stakeholders champion eco friendly environment in Nigeria. Group calls for reinvestment of subsidy fund. Ball climate change conference. Agn pushes adoption measures for women and youths. OK. Those are the headlines that we could see on the nature news that we want to talk about this morning. But when you get a copy of any of these newspapers that I just read, you'll find more headlines there. More stories there that you can find very educative for you this morning and beyond. Our Nigeria will move on if you know a little bit about what is happening. The guest this morning to help us talk about these headlines is Tunde Kolauli. Tunde Kolauli is a legal practitioner here in Lagos State. Tunde, good morning and welcome to the program. OK. We're trying to reconnect with Tunde Kolauli. As soon as we can connect, we will bring him to talk to us about some of the things that we just talked about or just read to you from the headlines. Tunde Kolauli, I understand you have rejoined us. Good morning, Tunde. Thank you very much. OK. Good. Let's just go right ahead and look at the headlines. Let's begin with the nation, what is found in the nation. Tunde in crucial talks over Senate president speaker. We've always been going back and forth on these, whether the president should be involved or not. So we'd like to have your thoughts on the fact that the president is the one in crucial talks, as they put it, over Senate president and speaker. There's this function of the president over the Senate president and the speaker. Yeah. I hope not in a good democracy. The president is not supposed to be the one that was dispatched to form the Senate president and who is not supposed to be the speaker of the House of Representatives. But that's usually within the jurisdiction of the political party that has the majority in the national assembly. I recollect between 1989 and 1983 that when we had the unity party of Nigeria, we had the national Republican, I mean, I think, political party, which was the president show Jagali as their president. But that's not the case of the party that decided who takes the slot for the president, who takes the slot for the vice president, and then the speaker of the House of Representatives, and then also the Senate president. And then apart from asking an understanding within the political party, they also wanted to reflect the geographical distribution of the countries that are linked. Each of the geographical zones of the country will have important offices that have been plotted or located or given to them. So as well as equal and equal representation in all the different types and segments and practices of the government. So if it is the president that now wants to be calling the show out of the gas, he will become the Senate president and the speaker of the House of Representatives. I am not too sure that would be too democratic. And here they play what they are going to have is a kind of Republican National Assembly in which whatever the president wants or the election of government wants, that the National Assembly will be turning like that they will be putting their seat all up and down for, just as we currently have in all the different states of the country, which is the top now, to discuss what is happening in the election of government, but also what is happening and we will open the judiciary. That is not too heavy for democracy. Okay, another headline that we have found here is that the Senate has thrown out the Buhari's controversial water bill. There is this water bill that everybody kept talking about somewhere before and others were against it and majority were against it anyway. And now the president has left. This bill has been thrown out. Do you have any understanding about what the provisions of this water bill were and why there was need for it to be thrown out or whether it should be revisited? Honestly, that is a very, very important question to answer. But I will try to navigate the same understanding of the matter. You will recall that not too long ago, or just recently, certain things came up on the social media in which the president, the president was being castigated for supporting the withdrawal from subsidy. It was put on the social media. Some of the comments he has made in the part in which he was, in which he lampooned Dr. Buhari to let them for putting a shift on the Nigerian people by withdrawing the first subsidy by increasing prices. In fact, I had to live in that. In fact, it was said that he almost concluded that he have found a dispute then it was said to be a thing to say that there was no cost of this anywhere. And the fact that he was on the platform of this, he is running, but he was hoping they would like to have also faced much a difficulty like cost savings. So now that that statement has been brought out, I am sure it is completely complex as the president to say in the position there was no cost savings, the now coming they are going to be removing the point of toxicity. Also don't forget, the first toxicity is not popular. Within the rank and file of the labor, within the rank and file of the market to men and the ordinary poor people of Nigeria, which they remove and are all with what has been done, prices have gone up as much as 1,000 percent in some of these places. The NIDA has introduced values and work. People have also pointed out that when you go to places like America, Britain, the U.S. and all that, there are subsidies on poor in the places like the U.S. for example, and also even in the places like Catalonia, Libya. So if some of the major economic policies of the world, or major economic policies of the world, have subsidies on their point. Why is this difficult? Why is this impossible? Or why should Nigeria not also enjoy the same thing? Besides, we have all the finalists of the other parts of the country. Billions of Naira are going to the opposition of those finalists. Yes, the finalists are not working. And what we are saying now with the U.S. is that their lives are passing their imbalances, their incompetence, their hindrance to the ordinary Nigerian people. If we have put a refinery on the 31st of September, what happens? If only we would not be having the challenging that we have in this petroleum industry. Furthermore, the two sides smoke out of the country. Two sides smoke out of the country. Who is responsible? Who is to ensure that the borders are not closed, that the borders are well matched? You have immigration in there, you have consumption in there, you have the army in there, and you have the state security in there. You have to put all of them at the border. Even the civil defense force, they are at the border. So why is this difficult? Well, this is a matter of history, isn't it? Because if the border is not closed, and the swells are never smoking out of the country. So these are some of the reasons that are freaky. The conscience of these people. And it may be the underlying factor. Why is there not time to throw out the petroleum or we throw out the city light that we are talking about? Yeah, it's actually the water bill I was asking about. But there is also, let's just follow up since you're talking about the subsidy. The city reps have demanded that NNPCL should have an audit over unaccounted two trillion Naira assets. Two trillion Naira assets. So there should be an audit in this agency. Okay, these people, the NNPCL are saying that even right now, Nigeria is owing them lots and lots of money, 2. something trillion, I think 2.8 or so trillion. Right now there is some unaccounted 2 trillion Naira assets in NNPCL. Some subsidiaries bought crude oil according to the reps without evidence of payment. That's what the legislators are saying. Legislators, OPS, back refineries privatization as Uber, Bolt drivers begin nationwide strike. Okay, so these people who Nigeria is owing 2. something trillion Naira, are the ones that have unaccounted 2 trillion Naira assets in that place. What are your comments on that? Thank you. But if I didn't get the one you said earlier on, I'm not going to tell you the literal details and all that. Now with the one you're talking about now, the NNPCL saying that Nigerian people are owing them. First and foremost I mean, we have had so many audits in the past. What have been the consequences or what have you benefited from those audits? Nothing. The audits reports are usually set under the cap. And then the country or the institution that is affected, we go on to the details as a list. Look at the case of the Canadian of the country, who are supposed to be the head stepper to trigger the management of the money, the money of the country. Look at the amount of production that has been set to avoid, that has been alleged to place it online. And the question now is why is it that all these don't work in Nigeria? Very, very simple. Most times when the government or it was on private terms, want to select an auditor, they hardly advertise those audits' thing for all managers of auditors to apply and then they say to select a manager. If we usually file to a kind of private selection, they select it in. So we usually select their friends to come in and notice their own musicians. So when your friends come into audits, your own musicians and what happens? Most likely it will never give the audits a chance for what has really happened. So that is one issue. Furthermore, auditing NMPs is a very, very important task. I thought you and I would know that NMPs is named on in a very, very opaque manner. And the people behind this opaqueness of NMPs are very, very far apart from us. In fact, the factors are not the same. We recently came out and said the people in the US said to hire cabars who are very, very fast and who are very, very difficult to deal with. So if you have not dismantled your power structures, if you have not dismantled that cabar in the US sector or not at all, whatever audits you want to do or not at all, you may not give the desired results. Furthermore, you will remember and also know that most of the transactions of NMPs is being done through a kind of goods swap. They will send to certain companies goods oil and then when those firms define them, they will send them back to Nigeria as a finished project. So how do you now determine how much or how do you monetize what is being spent and whether it's the goods oil for the finalist and what is eventually taken back as we find the photo. That is very difficult assignment in my own humble opinion. I would rather, instead of waiting the process again on all this in the account of NMPs, that the presidents should go ahead with what we have started to use. We have to start the NMPs to start the goods swap and not at all. We have also said, I think this is an assignment to now go ahead and import the premium products to the countries and send whatever prices that they want to sell it. Going by way of what NMPs are not at all, it's never enough to give all the desired results. We respect the challenges that we have on the ground. Okay, let's look at one headline that is really interesting to me. It's like the most interesting. Towards the end... Can you hear me? I'm hearing you. At the dying minute of the last administration we got a plane land in Nigeria called Nigeria Air. It was launched and stories that we are hearing right now are that we can't even find the plane in Nigeria again. It has returned to Ethiopia because it never was a Nigerian plane. And these are the stories we heard right now. The House of Reps has come up to say that that launch was a fraud and they are calling on the present administration to probe that launch and bring the officers that were involved to book. And some other people have even said they should suspend Nigeria Air. What are your thoughts on what is playing out right now? Well, I agree with those who are calling on the authority for the people to go on the reporting of the Nigerian Air. The information we have out in there on social media and the conventional media that are known as is to the extent that they have to report it to Nigeria. I can't let you long to report it online. And the nearly inscribed Nigerian's name I suspect that the Minister of Education was also trying to impress the president and also impress the Nigerian people that the valve when they were coming in in 2016 that they would bring back the Nigerian Airways and it is not to accomplish that they are coming and all that that we heard it in the last minutes in which they were leaving office to go and bring the Nigerian Aircraft from Ethiopia and then inscribe the Nigerian Air on it pretending that it is the reporting of the Nigerian Air. That is the work of the people. Why is it work of the people? It is work of the people because millions of donors will have gone into that project which in a way can be decided to be free and an attempt to use the Nigerian people is not fair. And when you look at the resources of the colleagues they are calling the state nobody should be allowed to toy with the little calling the state and just get away with it like the Egyptian ministers attempted to do. Don't forget that the Nigerian Airways have been sold to the Nigerian-Ibrahans and the Nigerian was signed and we paid for the Nigerian Airways. You cannot float another Nigerian Airways without the resistance to the contact between Nigeria and the Nigerian. The whole thing in itself sounds very ridiculous. You saw the Nigerian Airways somebody was running it maybe has run it again and all that but it's been sold. You must resist that agreement you must resist that sale and maybe resolve the deal with the Nigerian Airways because the money has no model the survival interest in the Nigerian Airways and also depends on all the franchises with regards to the logo and the name on the Nigerian Airways a kind of settlement to pay on the Nigerian Airways so the minister cannot just work up the agreement and then begin to say if we close the Nigerian Airways I agree that we require of this is that last minister Ibrahca Dabra that was done at the middle of the session without any restraint or caution or disinformation by the outcome president. Okay. Artisans business owners have accused NLC and TUC of selling out remember that today was supposed to be a strike action the beginning of strike action by the NLC and TUC and the suspended the strike pending the outcome of the meeting that has been scheduled for is it Tuesday also next week on the 9th precisely, okay that's been scheduled for the 9th so if this meeting has not been held and NLC has already called off the strike artisans are very suspicious business owners also are suspicious they say they have sold out but the CSOs the civil society organizations have said that they are going to go ahead with protests this one will not be a strike action but with protests over this fuel subsidy removal and the kind of sufferings that Nigerians are having to go through because of that what are your thoughts on this what? I want to go with what is trending on the social media that the Nigeria or most of the physical officers of the Nigerian labor unit in Nigeria whether the only issue of the TUC are not official that most of them are partitions at least you have somebody like Artisans who has openly campaigned for the labor party presidential candidates and you and I will know that Mr. TUC has been saying that he is also going to remove the subsidy on fuel in Nigeria then you also look at some of the other labor leaders they have their different sympathies either to the APC or to the PPC and you will never have all the presidential candidates all the political parties that consider the last election who are saying they are going to remove the PUC and all the other people see the NFC and the TUC never say anything wrong at that period of time I agree with you on the social media that you are not going to see anything wrong now with the FTC that are starting to power to say that it is going to remove the PUC my guess is that because the NFC and the TUC between you they have shot themselves in the foot and that they are going ahead with this fight by not carrying the kind of waste or the popular pooling that the other nation carries that is the reason why they have been going out and coast which is that they are going on with this fight that is supposed to take off this money when is this money going to arrive it is actually they can see both the drawing boards and then they strategize and come out with a better plan as they have to fight this cost and that includes the removal and there is also a message to learn from all of this that in the future the people may require to distance themselves from all the different political parties that we have in the country in fact it might be necessary for them to pull out all the aspects of the political party so that they will have a mouth they will have the legitimacy that we are able to speak authoritatively when issues like this come up in the future for forcing a political party that also says it is going to withdraw first subsidy and then they will force in another political party that won the election which is now time to remove the first subsidy in the country and you know I have also convinced that maybe we should allow the Nigerian allies to remove the first subsidy because the arguments they have been giving up for the incompetence for their lack of performance is because they have been paying for the first subsidy so when the subsidy is now removed and what are they what are the excuses they would have for non-performance well to be fair to some of these people who are arguing every person who was talking about removal of fuel subsidy had a plan how to remove this subsidy for instance you mentioned PTOB you mentioned that TIKU responds the argument is not that fuel subsidy should not be removed by anybody in Nigeria who may be protesting or threatening to go on strike the argument is that the way and manner it was removed without anything that will cushion the effect of this removal that is the grouse that everybody is talking about so right now it will not be fair just to say that people are talking because they are partisan and everybody is in support of the fuel subsidy removal but the way it was removed is the problem do you still think that they have no moral standing to protest or to say that it should not have been done the way it was done just because they have perceived to be partisan well whatever I mean but you don't say including ourselves and what I do I'm not to show the issue whether they are attempting to cushion the effect of the removal of the subsidy or not if it is programed or palliative to cushion the removal of the fuel subsidy and what happened I will not ask you the question where will the resources come from to really provide the palliative to the removal of the fuel subsidy thing now the country is borrowing money to pay a little further and they said maybe to pay some salaries just a moment just a moment just a moment just a moment I understand that but so that I don't lose this thought some people have asked the question that if subsidy was being paid that means there was money that was being paid for this arrangement of subsidy and now they have removed subsidy which means that money that was supposed to be paid for subsidy has been put somewhere else where else was this money put put into because if you pay for subsidy it should have gone to somewhere else okay I think that will be all that we can get from Tunde Kola would have loved to hear him answer this because that's the question a lot of people are asking you stopped putting money in a particular thing that means that money has been freed for something else and Nigerians expected that that something else should have been the palliatives that will cushion the effect of subsidy removal let's say 100 billion is voted for subsidy removal or 1 trillion is voted for subsidy removal or for subsidy rather not removal now it has been removed that means it will not be spent on subsidy anymore where did it go to that's the question we are asking maybe if we knew so much about economics we will know where it has been put into but we are the ordinary Nigerians that may not have that kind of information at our fingertips you need to explain to Nigerians that now that you have stopped subsidy that means we are not spending on subsidy anymore that money that was supposed to be spent on subsidy where is it if you can explain that to us then we will understand but if you don't explain that to us then we will keep asking the question as laymen, as people who may not have the information but also as people who may have the capacity to do what you would not want to be done just because we are ignorant that's how it is so whoever is in charge whoever needs to explain to Nigerians take it gently with Nigerians explain to us like babies so that we get to understand because we all know or at least we feel that it's our collective inheritance as it is it's our collective wealth that is being used the way it is being used we need to know how it is being used and if we are being deprived of one thing let us know the advantages and where you have put that one thing to directed your energy to your resources, your money your subsidy, where did you take it to let us know these things these are very simple things that if we know we can be very sympathetic with the government or we can be very understanding with the government and let things flow the way they should flow we will take another break and when we return we will go to our first hot topic stay with us