Wait, I'm it there. We go I think we're do do do do do do do do do do Wow Wow There's only um when I was watching season four with ringing He was fucking the love in that intro and I was like yeah I remember when I loved it, but then it became a sign of like this show again when in season two or three Oh, then it then it came back to me. I was like, ah, I do love this intro. It is great. I yeah I absolutely I have the soundtrack. I love it. Yeah, they did the best packaging for season one They made it look like a VHS tape That was some of the you know, the hitchhiker did that too hitchhiker hitchhiker sky to the galaxy when V-series they did that. I think that was super cool. Hi everybody. Hello. You decided to go live My name is Gary beaker. I come to you from your drotic. And this is my good friend Mahler Hello, and I'm also live with my good friend Gary from there you go. I'm We're like multi-streaming right now, and yeah, because cool both of our fanbases like hey What did you guys think of that nerdy show that came out about the good little just now? Do I watch this on release by the way?  He's gonna play a metal song You kidding me right now? I'm gonna die right We were just talking about this now.  Yeah, that's what I thought they were gonna do But they didn't they didn't know his uncle was great Yeah, I thought so too, that's the one of the things they did really well Really well my opinion Yeah, I'm right there with you man I was I was okay when it when it was coming back. It was like, you know, I'm gonna watch it Eventually yeah because I'm a completionist and I didn't like season two or three very much My wife liked him a lot more but seeing that I live with her. I'm going to watch the show She wants to watch and I was I Can't think of too many shows that had two bad seasons and then just got better. I don't know Buffy Kind of like well, I like all a Buffy. I like all of it. I love all of it Yeah, yeah, you know, you know as good as you may think season one or two are like there's nothing If it is five and six sort of thing. No, no, it's the same with next generation, right? Like I like season one, but I'm not gonna defend it. It's being good. I just like it So, you know, I feel that way about a lot of this season. This is one of the closest examples I think I've got of I quite like all of this Even though I recognize there's a lot of problems and I'm just like, yeah, I'm trying to ignore them It's best I can How many times have we discussed it on multiple live streams that? When you have good characters, you can get away with some plot holes You certainly can you can get away with a lot of stuff if it cuz a character is king at least with with us Anyway, I mean maybe not for everybody but character is king and it makes up for a lot and some of the kids like Did a really good job. Some of them were kind of but the others have improved quite a bit. Yeah, so I Yeah, I and I am probably I don't know. I saw some people not like I love the Russia hopper storyline I dug it I completely dug it. So I thought it was really strange But I mean it's the most I've enjoyed hoppers in season one.   I was just like man. Did they watch season one? He's like this hardened sort of cold at times Season veteran cop who's got really good critical thinking skills And manages to uncover the plot like almost on his own Yeah The first couple episodes walks to the back of the you know to the shed where we're missing and Immediately, you know got well got sucked into the upside down for a second, you know and he The putting together that he'd lost his daughter and he's trying to get Joyce's son back He refuses to allow that and do you remember when they they're like they found a body and he's like Please don't let it be him because it's like he's just desperate to get the kid back because of everything's happened with him It's like yeah, it was really endearing stuff But man like I've had enough of him by the time he gets to season three I wanted to go away.  I I will get into it Certainly and and this again. This is a stream of consciousness. That's how I that's how I live stream I'll try to keep it in order as much as I can for for moller Who's got a better memory because he's younger and just because he's smarter And uh, I'm going to be all over the place, but I'll try to keep it as linear as possible I don't know how else to talk about this view and making it all wibbly wobbly. It's all good to me. Yeah, yeah Because um It it was pretty clear. I thought it the the first episode was a little slow But then it got going and in context after seeing the whole season. I think it's it's it's all pretty good This is the second best season. It could have been the best It could easily have been the best. Yeah much Couple of things that could have done better. I thought Which will definitely hit but um I don't know. Do you think uh You were just talking about eddie eclipsing uh episode four Oh, I think he has from what i'm seeing online like the amount dude the amount of tweets I have seen share that three minute scene and they get like over a hundred thousand likes and every and they're all different like Dude, everyone loves that scene People who haven't even heard master of puppets before loved that scene To me it's one of the biggest like a friend of mine who was heavy into metal I showed him this season and told him what was coming and I was like an eddie was automatically his favorite character and I was just like Dude, like it's obvious metal has mainstream appeal beyond what a lot of people even realize uh It always has and you have said multiple times that like they really kind of dropped the ball by not putting more metal Uh, they really want to go into the pop stuff in the 80s and yeah while it was certainly there as as somebody who lived through the 80s I But you survived fucking did it? I survived them and no we weren't listen. I mean that stuff was on the radio a lot that playing susie at the end was good That was good. No no problem with that but um There was a lot more metal that metal was everywhere because that's the 80s is where the punk were punk and metal kind of merged Later in the decade around it was 80s it was 85 86 87 when that was happened So we stopped the the punks in the metal had stopped fighting each other started just parting uh and Metallica was one of those bands, you know mega death slayer. There was others that kind of brought, you know brought thrash, you know together and um It was very appropriate for them to play master of puppets. I think in 86 That's when the album came out Dude, so there was someone who was like it's a plot hole. He couldn't learn that in two weeks and it's like uh Eddie months and could That's ridiculous, of course they could because they they Because that's all they were doing uh They were at home jam. I like he he is a uh like an amalgamation of all my metalhead friends Uh Less drug abuse, uh, but uh, yeah, they were playing dnd. They were listening of a d.o. And and uh Metallica all the time. That's who I hung out with so I thought they did a pretty good job I thought they did a pretty good job with him And I think he's easily one of the best characters in the entire series I think I'd be lying if I said he wasn't my favorite but Part of it is the fact that I just I love metal as a genre so much Uh heavy metal being the main one I started on and then just the fact that they go with a metallica song And if you remove all of that it's got a huge amount of meaning Um check out the fucking lyrics for that song and then think about what happens in the season It's almost like they built the season for the song, but you you could say the same for running up that hill So it's just like yeah, this is just really good writing really good incorporation Um You know twisting your mind and smashing your dreams like that.  That's the kind of that's what spoke to us as kids back in the 80s, but you know That's it was freaking cool. I like how they they put it. It was straight up a music video scene. I'm fine with that Yeah, and they they did chop up the song and I saw some people complaining about that And I was like well if you think about how this works in terms of um The actual narrative all eddy's doing is trying to make as much noise as he can with his guitar with what he knows Song wise so he's jumping between portions of master puppets that have You know the higher frequency of just guitar stuff basically um And that you know that helps out in terms of cutting it up to make a more High-paced three minute action scene sort of thing instead of the because they cut out the slower parts of master puppets Yeah, it's a long song. Yeah, and dude I would love to if they played the whole thing But I'm not sure that you can get away with playing the whole thing in that scene I don't think it would work because the bats have to get to them at some point Is it would be awkward if they just don't and then when they're playing the slower parts of the song You just be like why are they playing the slower parts of the song? It's probably not helpful to eddy would really so yeah I think they did a really good job of uh mixing it all together And I I fucking love that they threw dust in in there to basically just be a metal fan watching eddy do his thing Um, dustin is the best of the kids. I think at this point Oh easily easily lucas did uh the kid who played lucas did a good job He did uh, it was nice to finally see they give him an acting job to do and he can nail it. Um Going back through the series. I don't think lucas has been great in season one two or three. He's kind of just they Yeah, this time eight eleven in season one Yeah, be kind of a foil I can't even remember like and I just watched him. It's just the season two and three are My wife will defend him, but I'm like, you know, it's just it's reactionary.  Um I've explained this on a couple of uh different streams.  So I rewatch season two If you remember if everyone rolls their heads back uh to good ol season one Is that call it a payoff?  The parents don't even show up harper's barely aware about bob It's kind of awkward a lot of fans when they watch season one were like, hey, um You know how the the town went nuts over one kid disappearing? You do realize another one disappeared, right? Yep And then season two it opens with them the duffer brothers basically being like Sorry about that. Look everyone cares. Look the whole town cares the parents are now here The parents hate harper and they like retcon it so they're like harper didn't do anything for barb It's like well, they didn't write him to do anything about barb. That's the problem um And the thing it almost made me laugh when I was rewatching it in the finale of season two and all the payoffs are coming in We're sealing up all of the loose ends They have this like news report where they're like barbara was uh, you know She died because of these escaped chemicals and they hold a funeral for her and the whole town Appreciate her and then and Nancy's like I can finally like rest easy knowing the bob has had justice Come on guys No, you had to do it in season one.  Yeah, she was a nice person I don't care about and you could pay it off like at the end of the series But yeah, there was so you know, because I remember comic con that year and but like there was barb Fucking cosplay everywhere and justice for barb and it was pretty funny Yeah, justice for barb. It was it was like Unfortunately because the deffers do is that she's a very nice character and she does everything For a friend, you know, so it's just like so it's just awkward when you have her die and no respect is given now Can you think of how that may apply to anything else? Also your camera is frozen. I don't know if Did it gosh dang it it did hang on. Let me turn it off. There we go Because it's running through something else Hopefully it can turn back on but and I'll just wait. I gotta give it time Because we are totally jumping around topics, but I'm assuming you may have read my my eddie munson twitter thread Well, maybe not I don't know but they did I did I wrote the entire thing. Yeah, I got I uh What I was watching it was some friends. We were like totally into it everything that was happening and The actor nailed his last scene as eddie like us is perfect even the dialogue.  No, no That was not cool and some people like when I was um Sort of saying that on twitter they were just like, what do you mean? Like what's what's the problem? I was like two days later means we don't get to see any of the characters find out that He died thus that would have happened in those two days Nobody gets to be told how he died and of course they have the uncle But like steve You know nancy robin Fucking mike doesn't get told mike was in the the dnd club Erica All these people who would like looked after by and respected and loved eddies like we don't get to see any of them actually, uh Hmm React to it at all like the whole thing surrounded him Like especially that group so a little bit annoying and then you find out like You know, I guess they didn't hold a funeral and it's like they didn't even take his body back It's still in the upside down.  That's the problem with the duffer brothers. I don't trust them I feel like they will they will probably bring him back and feel like he'll come back in a nightmare Thing or you'll be a demon or they'll just straight up bring him back I wouldn't be surprised at all after what they was what was happening in terms of Well, everyone's loved for the body is still in the upside down says Nina. Yeah, so, um, did they ever Resolve the fact that it's stuck in night the upside down stuck in 1983 Um wide open thing, right? Well, uh, what do you mean? Did did they resolve it? Well, did they explain it other than the upside down is in 1983 because nancy went down to get her gun and her gun wasn't there Yeah, right.  This is before I got my gun. So it's stuck. It's it's a Time does not progress there Obviously, right? It's just a yeah. Well, it seems to be jammed into the time of when it was created, right? Like the day I was you know, I miss things dude. That's all good That's why I asked you so like I was wondering if if there's something I missed where they address that Afterwards I don't remember it.   They always do this Now it's pretty good death scene. This is gonna be my ear. That's that's a messed up shit, but it was good Yeah The only criticism I had of that awk is like man, they they didn't quite trust us to remember the lines He had in the other episodes. They started showing flashbacks to the other things he'd said about how he always runs about Uh different and I was just like, ah, just just don't don't it's okay. I got it. I I picked through all I was really happy with it. You don't need to remind like what he's like. Oh, we're not heroes Like I know I know like I know there's a great line. I get it Yeah That's that's you know, that's where you miss the greatness. It's just just small grapes, you know, it's just like I Yeah, it's small, but they want they want to make sure people catch what uh, how why this is meaningful. It's like, yeah It's okay. It's all right. I don't allow it um, I mean Considering what we see in certain audiences now. Yeah, can't blame them but um You know, that's that's where You know the the duffer brothers don't have like a ton of experience like this is like pretty much their first success they've done other shows before a couple of other but like This is their first success. Obviously they worked much harder had more time because of coveted and everything on this series Uh, but I still think they made last minute changes to because they were still working on episodes eight nine like right up until the end did you see that one tweet that went up that said um, you might want to wait a few hours to watch it because We still have some finishing. They still had some effects. They had to finish. Yeah it's uh All asleep tonight and and watch the uh, so like they are editing stuff To the last minute and then sometimes releasing it and then updating it I mean, I didn't notice anything but uh, that's what they that's what I heard It was all fine to me, but we're in that era now where they have patch updates for TV and movies is weird, but uh, that's what we're at because it was spider-man, right? They were updating the A lot of special effects in theaters. So weird. Yep.  Um, I might do. I don't know. I guess it's it's gonna it depends how much new stuff is in it. I guess Yeah Yeah, if it's like in game. No um But I thought this show looked good. I thought it looked really good even the de-aging on 11 Like you can tell it was there, but it was still pretty good. I think I thought it looked really great the uh Here in the young young version. Um I was trying to think of how to Because uh, we've basically we've talked a lot about eddies. We may as well just Anything else to mention about of this other that well, I guess because I was going to say like the Why does he appeal to so many people so much and it's like Um, it's pretty hard to get a character that appeals to a very specific niche But at the same time has like more broad appeal than any of the characters and stranger things as a whole it's just like how did you do that and um Gotta be tied to the fact that he's super flawed One of the big things like he considers himself a coward And uh, but at the same time wants to help as best he can I think that's something that annoyed me was that um, there wasn't more appreciation for the fact that This is a guy who has absolutely zero investment in what the hell is even happening, but he didn't like shy away from it at all um He just dragged into it because he was unlucky enough to be near someone who got vexed at the wrong time Um, and then the whole town hunting him and stuff. I was like, I feel like he deserved uh Something more in the aftermath. That's kind of where I was uh heading with that Yeah Frustration because some people on on twitter were like Doesn't it make the arc more meaningful that he fought for the town even though they hate him? And i'm just saying you're like, I just don't know why you wouldn't want to write it. So the um more people understood that he was The more people understood what he did because this is really odd that the hellfire club is now officially like in canon the ones that summoned The demons or the earthquake or whatever like that's the current running theory But at the same time the hellfire club are all freely walking around Yeah, that's that's gonna be because if they're trying to base this on the west memphis three right who are three kids um Who are in the metal who got in the freaking jail?   He was always considered to be a murderer until like way after he was dead and then they realized he was innocent After all kind of like as an afterthought.  We'll tell his uncle. That's it like oh Because I don't see the harm in announcing to the world like yeah eddie months and didn't do anything wrong You guys have been chasing the wrong guy. He's just an average dude Well now that like giant cracks have opened up in the earth with this Yeah, that's that looks like they're going into another dimension. It's not like Lava's mag red hot magma is coming up or anything like that. So they're gonna go like that's really weird looking What is that? Why are these tentacles are coming out? That's what I would file into the section of I don't know about that writing wise in this show There's a huge set of things for that like a lot of people in chat have already been like You're gonna address how flawed this is. It's like look There's a lot of weird shit in this season that doesn't really get properly answered I don't think it's very well done. The fact that America as a whole is like, oh, there's been an earthquake It's like fucking.  Have you seen this thing? Like who in the world would actually be satisfied with that as an explanation after you see what it is The only way I would work is by not letting your town's people stay there Like the military comes in clears everybody like everybody's got to go.   That's what it is um And then like how are you going to explain the time jump that they've said is gonna happen So they're gonna they have that big crack opened up in the earth and then it just sits there for five years Does nothing now. I could see that as vekna is gathering his strength forces and his strength, but um Our military would be going in there that I mean they would Now maybe they they show that and they're just getting slaughtered But what they I think what they failed to show was like what okay, we see we understand there's a crack We understand there's a threat.   Yeah, um, yeah, I don't I don't get that Outline Schmout line.  I have your characters fleshed out Rules for the world all that good stuff, you know strozinski did a pretty decent job with that with that one five Absolutely. Yeah, even tried to account for you know Oh, how people could leave or die and stuff. That's some forward thinking planning right Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna turn off my camera Turn back on The little sounds all right I'm on a different computer, right? because uh Well, I was uploading my video. It took me two hours to upload my video yesterday That was pretty annoying like youtube was acting weird and uh wouldn't They had the checks running forever and I like uploaded the video. It just stuck on 99. I was so working pissed But uh, it eventually went up. I had to rearrange everything in here. Um, I know youtuber problems Oh, I I hate those problems too man. It's annoying. It's fine. Um, but yeah Eddie was great and I want him to leave him alone now because his arc is completed and I'm loving that everyone's loving him and I want more But I'm not allowed more and I think that uh as we were kind of alluding to yeah He should have been in the show since the beginning and um imagine how much stronger this payoff would have been if he was in the show since season one um Imagine as well I was thinking how cool it would have been if he had his guitar in like season one It's like his most prized possession sort of thing and then season two through whatever Circumstances it breaks And then he finds out in season three or so that the way the upside down works is it cloned everything From a certain date and it all exists there still so he knows now that there's a version of his guitar in the upside down That he can get that's like a demonic version And um, I even thought it was the editor if you sort of felt this way as well But like I love how the tentacles seem to Move in such a way that respects the guitar like they don't I was just like that's just fun.  He's like this as beo zek Yes, I was like, thank you. Oh, it's beautiful I love well, I mean, it's great. I metal gets way more respect now, but it didn't back then I was totally like sidelined and being like, oh, it's a bit obscure and weird. It's like it ain't though. It's really cool Well, everybody thought you were a devil worshipper too.   It was really interesting, right because Probably the most edgy of all musical genres except maybe when you get into like the really obscure stuff Because yeah, but I pretty much every metalhead read a comic book. Yeah, which is where I was from really really cool like it's uh it's like Because metalheads would just be a sort of cultural thing that um It's like faded in and out in and out, but like it seems to have almost gone now But it's just nice to see it there and then like all these people enjoy it. It's like, yeah, it's probably Probably more popular. It's probably more around But the thing is you got to you got to go find this kind of music. You can't it doesn't just pop up on the radio really No, yeah, that's that's what's happened. Well, that's what we're experiencing that With entertainment now. It's getting fragmented like music is so they'll still They'll still be genres. They're always going to be around, but you got to look for them It's going to be uh, yeah like pop shops It's uh, it's crazy because um, you'll have your own sort of versions of this especially when you were growing up and stuff But like for me with guitar hero as I was I talked to you about in DMs, uh I'm gonna love guitar hero guitar hero threes um loads of really great heavy metal and rock songs on there, but then You move to will tour guitario 5 and the further they go along the more pop songs They started putting it into the game because they were losing Relevancy people weren't buying them anymore and then guitar just ended as an ip like I don't I'm not even sure they're making anymore, but um It sucks because like metal wasn't enough to carry it There aren't enough people buying it. You need you need your pop songs, which is shame But there you go I remember when the Beatles one came out. That was pretty cool. Yeah. Well, um, I think I told you but like after I sold this I was like, all right. I'm getting my guitar hero metallic her out. What's happening?  Yeah I still I yeah, I haven't cracked. That's the one console game. I was really good at Well, it makes sense. Oh, yeah, I remember getting better and better until I beat The devil on expert on warriors of rock and I was like, you know what? I peaked Life doesn't get better than this. I'm done Yeah, um, you know Excuse us chat. We just just extended Lee talking about eddie and how much he's uh Someone I've wanted to see for so long and we're not going to see him again for a long time in media. So well, I mean 11 Got sidelined and I think it was good. I think it was very good to sideline a character who doesn't talk very much Who got seriously op in in season three? Papa I always knew papa would come back Hmm, but well, yeah, they didn't crazy about his end though My wife said it was good, but I wasn't crazy about it.   Like tell me like how big is this threat like It looks yeah, I know you mean we still don't know He always seems to be holding way more cards than because it is he must know more than what we think He knows which is just upside down bad. We got to stop it. I'm assuming it's more than that Because he's also he just seems to know she's not powerful enough to take on vacna and it's like, oh Okay Is she not okay, which by the way Was a good choice. Um, but the problem is like mechanically. I don't know about you But like I have no idea whenever vacna and her put her put their hands up. I'm like, I don't know who's winning Could be either of you Yeah And like I don't think that's great. Um, it's like when Harry Potter and Voldemort five little lasers of each other Oh, you know palpatine and ray firing electric at each other. It's like, I don't know who's gonna win. I don't know You haven't told me anything about how I could understand it. So Now And that that that needed to be done I think vacna was like really necessary like that's what the real linchpin of the season was is We finally have a face to the bad guy who was going to talk That was I think was missing seriously. Okay I could accept maybe season two, but season three. No excuse.  I see this is the thing. I just think that That we should have had references to vacna from the start They should have known this was where they were going to go instead of it being a Correction because they thought the mind flare would be enough But like if you rewatch season two and three, they don't know what they're doing with the mind player Like yeah, he's a big old monster. He wants to take over the world. I think Okay Like make make the mind flare an eldritch god go full cthulhu It's an eldritch god Like a cosmic thing that we can't understand that makes people crazy and like just the mere presence around hawken starts Hawken with people which maybe they can do next season. Well, yeah I like the idea of making vacna a five star general as Dustin referred to him. I like the idea Yep, mind flare still in charge But like no, they've said the mind flare is Was was just a chill dude sort of thing just doing his thing in the upside down and then vacna used him as a puppet for season two and three Yeah, mark, uh, you know, they did the it was vacna all along along like which is like, okay They're setting us. Yeah, that's a setup though because you know vacna is gonna end up getting Used by the mind flare. Oh, do you reckon that'll be the the way they do it? Yeah, yeah, that's what I would do is a ride. I would just freaking go there go cosmic That'd be cool. The thing is the mind flare was beaten twice as a season villain.  Yeah Because one will be get absorbed by the other so that'll be That that's the vision they gave us for the next season Mm-hmm. I mean, I wasn't good, you know, yeah, like I'm I'm on board I just hope the dotha brothers can sort of Virtus a little bit and but the problem is it requires setup to properly subvert And I don't know it feels like they're playing hot potato with all these seasons Just like, ah, we'll do this now. Did that work? It did.     Yeah But apparently loads people stay into the okay. Like I don't know. It's I don't know. We'll have to see what they try and plan with this one um So someone I really want to talk to you about It's a bit of a bit old controversial subject for a lot of people. I'm seeing the stranger things fans fight about this on their subreddits Um What do you think about max? What do you think about the the end of her story quote unquote? Hmm, that's a good question. I'm I would have been okay with her dying.  I'm upset that they didn't kill her I think it's it's kind of um, I'm calling it cowardice Uh, writing wise.  She's alive and it's like well Uh He's alive, but she's not in there 11 kind of brought her back And it's yeah, she restarted her heart, but she's not in there quote unquote.  Okay for for a certain show called angel Do you remember a certain writer killing a particularly beloved character in that and then After like literally an episode later They had a character in you of this state.   That's how it works.   It does send willow into like a power Struggle spiral thing Yeah, it was a spell that willow and buffy both hate that it was done. It pulls her out of A state that she was absolutely happy with and then Of course by doing it they establish in season seven it gives the first an opportunity to actually destroy like the Dimension that is earth because it's a breach of like natural laws or whatever the fuck um And then of course it depresses buffy and willow to the point where both of them consider suicide as well So what I guess I'm getting at So there's a lot of repercussions from this instead of just going no, they're alive. It's fine moving on We're off to fight beck down the mind flayer.  I definitely did. I thought I don't know if they're gonna kill steve He seems too popular But at this point he's just got hyper plot armor.  I think Jonathan can die but um, just because he's dude. I don't even think people like jonathan anymore Not even the writers like jonathan anymore He just kind of did nothing, you know hung out with our guile I'm gonna be honest with you though. Maybe this is hot take. I've never really liked jonathan Uh rewatch the show kind of there.  What was his reasoning again? He said I I felt like in that moment that you were trying to become someone else And it felt autistic and that's why I want to take a photo of it like That sounds like a good rationalization from a stalker. I was gonna say it's just like it's just a creep shot, dude Like that's something you don't try and Artify the creep shot No, to be fair, he's he's better in those seasons than he is in four, but I don't know if you remember in season three he's like Like lowered into the position of just nancy's boyfriend and all he does in the whole season is basically like I don't know if you're right about this nancy. I don't know if you're right about this Oh god, that's my biggest my my complaint about season two and three and it seems like they dialed it back a little bit In season four not completely Is just reacting to to the rest of hollywood, you know, and yes, we are talking about something we like, right?   I can never remember.  Like it's either that or they just don't know.  He's touched his neck like ten times across the show and I'm just like good god. He's got to be the main character in season five or something like I don't know what they're doing from um Yeah, uh, mike's got a similar problem. I would actually argue is the lanora plot line is kind of fucked They did not do a very good job and that i'm referring to argile jonathan will mike They uh, yeah drop the ball i would say on that plot line. It was the plot line Um drinker was saying in his video that like there's no plot line that you just want to move past to get back to A better one and I was like really I wanted to get past the lanora one to get to the hawkins one Every time we went to the hawkins crew. I was way more invested The hawk yeah the hawkins crew and uh, I like the rush of stuff big time Uh, our guiles love of pineapple pizza aside that I totally agree with that makes it the greatest show ever um, yeah, you know He's just a stoner. He's comic relief Maybe a little bit overused Maybe should have died you can have another guy die, you know give give argile the hero's death Ladies, this is just me, but the idea that we're going to get another season of argile. I'm not eddie. It's like Okay Resolution with eddie at the end there was a dude. I just watched the end right before this and man Do they drag out the we're walking up to the field and the field?  Where is it? Give me it? Where is the eddie scene?  Yeah, I was like I couldn't give less of a shit about you too It's like molly ringwalled is lesbian with another molly ringwalled I don't know why they spend so much time like all you need for that scene genuinely is um You know one of them drops one a thing the other one picks it up and they both look at each other And that's it. You just go. Oh, she's got a chance to you know get into nowhere at her job Cool.  Like why is this getting a finale payoff?  It's like dude, you're gay the thing for uh as well for will I have a little bit more respect for is the they've been developing this a bit throughout the show Will has been a bit obsessive with mic and I don't know if you remember but Don't even like season three but will is trying to get them to play d&d again and uh Lucas and mic are invested in max and 11 and all the stupid drama they have But at one point will keeps telling them he's annoyed that they don't spend more time with him and then mic says I'm sorry.  Yeah Yeah, um, yeah. No, there's been little references here and there and I'm totally fine with them Pushing that on like go right ahead. You can you can do some stuff with it Though I don't think you should be doing it side by side with end of the world stakes happening It feels a bit weird.  It's a silly concept that these little kids can jump through dimensions and fight You know demons and stuff, but I mean that's the 80s part of it that you just kind of have to suspend your disbelief um There's a That scene just kept going with her and the other girl and then it cut to The uncle walking up to the eddy missing sign.  I think he's Gatton or gating something but the guy who's playing dustin man.  It's sort of the uncle um Uh, he's a good actor the kid who plays dusted like good kid actor right there excellent actor and I would go as far as saying like I love the scene But it feels so odd that the uncle is the only one we got to see To understand what eddy did, you know Yeah, I mean it's good that he found out But he's like the one person who believed in eddy a little bit of I mean, of course, they're gonna pay it off later, right? I mean, they will now after what everybody's been they will now. They'll be justice for eddy Oh, you know all summer But uh, that's fine because it's from a it's pretty good show. It's a pretty good show That's why mauler and I are here talking about it We've been behind the scenes just going dude is nice to talk about a good show It's not the greatest thing ever You know plenty to appreciate We are in a desert of garbage right now Just absolute garbage and the fact that stranger things like whooped Kenobi makes me so happy. I do not even close When I was watching the first episode of season four and this was I have to say I was going in with the lowest bad faith ever. I was just like, uh, whatever I don't like stranger things do your worst Um, it wasn't long after episode one that I was like, okay. This is actually like tv. This is good This is storytelling. I'm picking up loads of subtler things. I can see your setups When dude when eddy in the d&d game says like it might be a better idea to run I was like, that's gonna come up later. Yeah, that's A lot of these lines feel like lines that are gonna come up later And um, yeah, Kenobi doesn't do that. Shit. Kenobi was embarrassing On a tv show. It's a gross Disney product that's desperate for um appreciation because this is the thing man The love for eddy just seems 100 genuine people going nuts over him because he's like a really nice feels real guy who Got some genuine love for some music looks after the kids and the school That by the way was such an easy way to like him immediately him talking about how there are kids in school Who lose their way because they're like social rejects But we are the group that they're looking for and you've got to go find them and help them out And that's the one thing they did get what they I wish they would have followed through in a couple more Care, I'm not saying you had to make them good. Okay. You gotta have bad guys. You gotta have bad guys and they just Uh, so we had the jock, right?   He was really fucked up like this girl He liked is dead and I understand that they killed him I do I understand that like the crack cut him in half Uh, and and that's a very 80s horror thing to do, right?  Uh, we That selection of people we we have the hottest take on the internet probably for The his name is Jason the jaw character and that take is Not that much of a bad guy actually No, he was he's freaked out, right? So you're freaked out in this town.    There's a lot of What's this and then there's some staring and then we go to the next scene, you know It's funny because you have characters like eddie or steve or max where you're praising all the writing for how well They realize but then you also have You know i'm not trying to be a dick but like argile A jason and a couple of others where they're designed to just be one dimensional They have one joke or one mode and they're like what is jason's purpose in this story?  I was like so jason's gonna get in the way And that's gonna be annoying however How is he going to find them and turn up at the wrong time?     You're not summoning them And then what if jason is nearly killed by the bats and eddie saves him Why not do that and then at the end you have jason saying on the news eddie saved my life The guy died defending this town.  Yeah, that's the part I was like that was a waste Like it was just a waste. He was just there to be bad. There's no resolution and You know, we've already got our bad guy. We've got vekna. Like that's our bad guy.  It can absolutely still be tragic But some kind of resolution I felt like we got none with him like what about his parents now Yeah, I did. This is the problem.  Um to be fair, dude, the the opposite of this in a sense is uh, Bob Newby from season two Shawn Aston's character He was designed to be the most likable person ever and then they were like and what are we going to do with him?  Um meaningful deaths are like what I was describing I think with max because there's so much to talk about before it happens There's so many reasons why it happens so many choices she made meanwhile Jason fell over and then he got torn in half. He died thinking he failed the town He didn't stop the ritual. He couldn't stop the demon summoners and worshipers That's kind of sad for him and then his parents will never know why this happened They'll just know that their son was torn in half Yeah, he couldn't avenge Chrissy. He never found out how all this worked as far as he knows He couldn't save max. This is another thing people don't realize. He's trying to save max's life in this scene Yeah, yeah, there's just so many there's missed opportunity like the russians. What happened to the russians? I don't know One was supposed to come back to indiana. They were even talking about it, right? What happened to the russians? I don't know. Uh, this is the thing stranger things is so unfortunate This could have been the greatest show of all time if they'd planned this shit earlier because they've just been You know, they've just been stacking these bricks on top of each other and hoping for the best they have um And I'm sure we'll see them next I'm I'm positive they'll come in after the time jump and it'll be uh It'll be after the wall goes down. So it's going to be post communist russia uh It'll be interesting. Hmm. What we get out of the 90s. I wonder how big the time jump will be probably like four years five years It was an idea of like what if the last scene of the Stranger things season five is the turn of the century because this the show is so Fundamentally 80s that could be a suitable way to end it, you know, yeah It feels like they needed a little more time on that ending. Sorry. I'll turn the century into the decade my bad Yeah, yeah Century decade. What's the difference? What's the difference? Um time is an illusion lunchtime doubly.  It was almost I think a little bit silly I I had scooby-doo vibes when they looked out the window and his body was gone.  He's right off Um and I was a little bit disappointed I think with their approach They were like molotov and shotgun which are great choices But man if you told me we get one shot at killing the boss of the upside down's flash form I'd be like, right.  Yeah, they even suggest a lot It's really weird because I saw so many people being like, why did they keep like they slowed down Nancy to the point where she's clearly aiming but none of his shots went to his head No, and she was blinking on a couple of them too when they went off I noticed that too and I was just like, why wouldn't you Everyone wants to see a headshot.   Maybe they're saving do you remember that payoff and uh Buffy when giles is like they're like you gotta do a spell to get through the magic door and he just pulls out a chainsaw.  I mean Eleven's whole journey was just getting her powers back And again, I'm I'm glad they kind of sidelined her and we didn't go into. Oh my god. It just I can that that episode in season two where we meet number and number eight's gonna show up again Oh god, dude, please. Please don't I think that's another example. They're more to uh over correcting I don't even I don't regret them over correcting a lot of the time But like they just wiped them out for season three and four that that episode they have I don't think I've ever seen a more potent response to how everyone hated it's episode seven right of season two I think Yeah, it's episode seven fucking. I remember when this show came out. We were watching it I remember being so baffled by that episode and I went on like discussions online.  Like why was it there? Get it out and I think the Duffer brothers were like, okay. Okay. We won't do that again. I swear We won't do that again. I'm sorry They brought up mom again Um, and there's a lot of stuff. I love I love how they connected to mk ultra.  It's really cool. I like that part Yeah, dude. There's parts of poltergeist in this Do you remember the terminator references in season three? Yeah, like this is what I mean about this show.  Why'd you have all the cringe thrown into? Yeah, well max, you know max is a character we talked about that like finally has purpose, right? Uh, and I totally think they should have killed her uh and uh Because I didn't like the character the character was annoying. Yeah, I don't like the whole Uh, she she seemed like a fanfic character that everybody's like stumbling all over to love. It's like why? no, yeah, um drink a uh Pretty much nailed it in his video because he's going off memory But um because if I just rewatched it he's a different character in season two three and four They have no idea what they were doing with it. She's thrown in He is the smug asshole character who wants to be a part of their team But also hates them and constantly criticizes them and then right at the end It's like she's on our team now and it's like, okay Nobody like it's bad enough that lucas doesn't have a role But now you've got someone else who doesn't have a role to right and and I think they've they've completely fixed that like uh, you know the episode four was great Love the end of it. Like everybody else did. I thought that was cool.  I saw common. I don't care. It's still good. Yeah I'm fine with it if I see it coming because I think they've set it up, you know Yeah, properly. Mm-hmm um and It it all hinges on on vekna like that like the fact He alone improved this entire season everything nothing else works without having a a bad guy an antagonist with a voice That we can hear and we there's motivation and we understand and like uh, that that was so important to the story They honestly, you know people have been asking like, hey, should I rewatch season two and three? I'm sure they've asked you to all they have when we were on real bbc and we both said nah, you could Watch watch a youtube video as of how we rewatch season two and three. I recommend skipping them I don't see the point. I'm seeing them. They just there's not good enough They ruin more than they uh provide I would go as far as saying um And you can jump from season one to four. I've had friends do it and they're like, yeah, I followed it It's okay. Like it's fine max They give you all of the context for what she's going through in season four. Yep. Oh god in that one episode They do she's I remember what impressed me so much I think I even sent you a dm about this because by the way For anyone who didn't know gary's the one that convinced me to even give this a chance I was like nah, and then you were like no, no, no, no Give it a chance. I was like Fine. Um, so I didn't I definitely I had like an aggressive lack of care If there's such a thing for her when I saw her pop up in in episode one I was just like, oh, yeah, I forgot about you and um a friend asked me when rewatching it's like Oh, so what what are her traits and I was like, I didn't know what they were when I and I've seen season two and three I was watching and I was like, yeah And then I was like, oh, okay, so You know a brother died Um, and that's that's had an effect on it I was like, that's way more interesting than anything they've ever done with it. Okay, but um By the time she helped figure out by piecing it together How vectin is killing the victims and then she realizes during it that she's the next one. I was like wow, that's um That's pretty good. Actually.  I actually care that she doesn't die. Huh about that. I don't even know how they did that Okay, and then episode four They have this teenage girl, uh, at least I think she's teenage I don't even know what the age they are in the show honestly because it's very hard to keep track of how exactly the timeline works but um the way she deals Like she basically has already come to terms with the fact that she's gonna die And then like immediately starts giving making sure everybody gets the messages She wants to them and wants to spend her final days, you know Giving her messages to the people she loves and talking to billy's grave.  It was great And that's I think it makes that episode even more potent that um goes back in for the sake of defending her friends and, uh 11 doesn't come through because she's not good enough this time She always is but this time she wasn't and max is the one that dies as a result I like the idea that it was their plan to bait and kill Vecna But it doesn't work because he's more powerful than they anticipate sort of thing, but They almost did it.  Yeah, that's that's the reality They wouldn't put her in a coma to just say at the beginning of season five. Oh, she died by the way Like what? right So I yeah, I think Yeah, that was a mistake.  Dude. He's died like seven times. Yeah Do you remember when he oh fuck?    It's not fair It's he's smart again. I mean again you talked about this. They they fixed that they made him More badass. Yeah, and and it just felt like they were trying to Reduce that character.    She shouts at him. He like threatens to take things away from it Shitty payoff to for like their their connection is not that strong at the end of season one If you go back and like watch season one Yeah, he barely knows her Barely knows her. Yeah, so like To jump right into like I'm petulant teenager. You build up to that you build up to that because like Yeah, and and he's getting like fatherly advice from Joyce and then he ignores it and he makes everything even worse He's like threatening Mike because he doesn't like that Mike's kissing his daughter. I thought it was cringe, man Yeah, yeah, they jumped way too into that when they should have Had a little more time of them being father and daughter.  She she'd be much happier.   It's like, okay It just you just we like guys we have limited amount of episodes here.  I don't care how much I got threatened He was punching him when he was way younger. He's older now and he's scared of hopper I was like, no, what would have happened is he'd be like, are you threatening to kill me?   Did they come to America? Did they not Are they back at hopper's house? We didn't see them But they were yeah So did they fly A helicopter to alaska and then take a plane? Yeah, the two days later thing got I was I was right there with you I'm like, whoa, no Yeah, it's too much Because they want to skip to where Mike gets back and they reunite and stone. It's like, yeah Yeah, but there's stuff we got to do first Clearly didn't know what to do. They didn't know how to get from point A to point B on that one So they're like two days later. Did you like um, do you like the guard guy that hopper was uh, friends with? Yeah, yeah, I thought he was neat. I like the um, I like the development of hopper's history as well the uh The in a sense it was his fault what happened to his daughter I thought that was a decent addition because obviously that's new compared to everything we knew before That uh, he feels like it's his fault. I mean, is it really? Well, um, he said right that like all the people who worked on the same project as him their kids Had birth defects because of agent orange working with their stuff and he had a kid anyway And she came out perfect and he was like, oh, it's great But then she eventually died and he believes it's likely because of that.  It's completely fucked up But it's yeah, I just think it was um It's a strong way to develop that idea. I think Because someone's had me saying like doesn't that explain his attitude towards Mike and 11 it's like no, man Like the what happened to his daughter is what gave us the character of hopper in season one a guy who takes everything very seriously Guy was very careful But very reasonable and understanding like you'll he takes his time If you watch him in season one some of the things I really like about him Is like when people are crazy or rambling and stuff He takes the time to try and listen and then ask them reasonable questions and try and work through the problem um It didn't strike me as the character that they turn him into in season three where he's like, do you remember all the fat jokes?  It's like, I don't remember But This was the character that they were like they would show him with pill bottles alcohol bottles everywhere And being like man, my life is tough because I can't stop thinking about my daughter and it's just like, you know, it's kind of weird Yeah, they really went away from what could have been great resolution to go right into Let's uh, let's vandalize our own character.  You're you're not a parent in the 80s. It's like to understand this like bro I understand hopper's character. That's all I needed to understand. It's like Yeah, well, I mean, okay, so hopper started acting like like my dad, but like I I pissed my dad off a lot like it I earned that shit so like He they needed to show They didn't have enough time, but they needed to show them being happy for a little while Maybe show some time passing And then getting into the rebellious phase not just straight into the rebellious phase that part Especially since they had no connection before that we just talked about that like go back and rewatch season one, which is very good Yeah, she spent um, she spent more than a year following his rules Uh, perfectly by the way It was only when she I think this is a scene where she calls him a liar because he keeps telling her It's a particular time they have to wait till before it's over, but it keeps extending Yeah, yeah 11 was downright, uh Attentive to the rules.   It was uh, paul riser's character who was making her keep extending it over and over Well, that's the thing though. There's gotta be I think hopper's a smart enough guy to Make something work, you know when when she says she wants to go out in halloween with a ghost outfit He has to try and like argue that that could work to Paul riser that I think at the end of the season I'm just like just fucking do it like you'll be fine Yeah, and I think hopper would do it. Um, oh, yeah, he wouldn't he wouldn't uh Yeah, the idea because he's like oh She's got it because any child who has to just stay in a very tiny shack for an entire year Yeah, of course. She's gonna get unruly, but she was pretty good considering like it could have been much worse Um, but either way like yeah, I I'm with you.  Um in season two and three And he's and he's not fat in season, uh four. No He's got he's got russian prison Uh, he had the russian prison workout Yeah Which uh, I saw some people being like wait, how did he lose all that weight? I was like, I mean to be fair He's in a prison. I don't know Yeah, paul riser as in carter burq from aliens. Yeah Oh, dude, who's funny. I was uh, I think it was freaky. I was watching it with he was like, I recognize him And I was like, he's burq Aliens he was like, oh Shit, it was like, yeah, you can see it now. Got you because it's like, yeah, it looks just like him if you add You know 40 years Right and he's still alive. He's probably gonna get tortured by the government Um, he might do he might end up being the bridge between them because I was wondering Can we really make the government an antagonist when we've got the upside down is infecting the entire world? Or should we make the government friendly to a degree when we last left the government?   So are they gonna know? Yes, they're gonna have to know about vekna at this point There's gonna be like the government would be all over this dude Uh, they would have been see that's been my problem. They would have been all over it from season two They would have been absolutely all over it because they would be the government just doesn't let like people like people Like papa Run without being having tabs kept on them.    Why a little kid? It's funny as well because they're like, you know, how did you break it?  Season three was tough to watch yeah, but um I think that there's uh It's it's sharing the the same problem buffy had as a show where it was like how How isn't this town attracting way more eyes from the government from people from it's just Everyone dies here all the time crazy events happen And none of it seems to get out in any way shape or form. I don't know if you remember It was season three. They finally try and address that in buffy. The mayor is like, oh, yeah I uh, you know, I I softened it all with with with higher ups. I I can you know, grease wheels I can keep the even I think he says like when spike came last year He caused a whole bunch of problems for me that I had to solve and like governmental ones. It's like, okay That's something I guess You know, um But then the mayor dies at the end of season three. So it's like so now what he's taking care of it now Um, but yeah, stranger things is like I feel like season five It's gonna have to be public knowledge, right Hawkins and the upside down and Especially if there's a time jump. Well, I think the it'll be government knowledge I I think they could still stamp it down You know, if they get everybody out of Hawkins and uh close it completely off that that will make sense It's like it's like an earthquake. You all got to leave We've got unstable whatever Uh, there's a super volcano under Hawkins. We never knew gotta go. Bye. Bye. You know, that's all you have to do and uh, mm-hmm that would make sense In the story sense, uh, but it doesn't seem like they're gonna do that Seems like they brought them back to Hawkins. They're gonna stay. There's the volunteers helping everybody So I I really don't know. Uh, yeah, happy treason day. By the way, happy fourth I'm gonna spend it with a Brit. It makes the most sense. Um Yeah, dude, I feel like I probably know the answer to this question, but I'll ask it anyway What was your favorite moment in season four?    Yeah Little one knows, but I didn't care. I was like, yeah, I'm down with that I mean they had the weaponry there already. So that's the interesting thing I think I would argue season one is the best season but season four has like I think four of my top five emotional payoffs of the whole show Yeah, well with eddy What are the emotional payoffs so probably the finale for season for episode four, um I think the last moments that lucas and max have together both of them are fucking Nailing it acting wise. It's tragic. It dude. It actually made me remember like fred's death.   That's tough to listen to especially with the story.  I was like you guys you did it Good job. You actually went there because it's a tough thing to do.  Don't worry about it. He'll be okay. She's a monster Yeah That was fine. No Like I've seen itself is fantastic between those two. Um, everyone's talking about how lucas the act of him should get an amy for that one It's like, yeah, he was He was putting in all the effort for that building up to that Like the kid did a good job um Yeah, I'm like, I'm totally fine with what I'll watch this all the way through. I've started. Yeah Keep getting interrupted. Yeah. Well the same man. Um The other thing I was just going to mention then of course is uh eddy's death scene um The saying that he he like making dust in promise to look after the kids that come into the school who You know needs someone to help him out and uh Like telling him, you know, I didn't run, right? I was like, uh, you did it. You nailed it. It's perfect stories over And you know, uh, I mean it's not an emotional payoff, but I think the fix of bringing in Becna And having 11 block it out of her memory and stuff and like he killed all the kids I was totally okay with all that. It was very comic book So and that's the way it was supposed to be by the way Yeah, like a lot of people are like, oh you talk about how it's a retcon all the time Is like do you think it's bad then? It's like, no, it's what the show needed. They really needed this It totally needed it And I caught that like in this in you know in the second episode i'm fucking finally we're gonna have a villain who talks Yeah, you know And hopefully it makes sense and it was good enough for me, you know, I was fine Is um, there's some things I think that don't quite fit that obviously if they'd planned this from the beginning It would have been there would have been way more references to Becna Maybe not the name Becna, but just just you know, like Seems like there's someone else involved or maybe a voice or because some people saying you can hear clock chimes At certain points in the earlier seasons is like, oh if they planned this that would have been way more over it they would have been Planted little things all the time, but they just didn't um, which sucks, but yeah, it's okay. Um, I think they fit it in as best they could And i'm thankful they've done it because the show needed it Yeah, and it and it works like I went back and watched season one and it it worked for me. I was fine with it Yeah, uh, there's there was a couple little inconsistencies, but it's not bad. I mean papa's not in I just remember him being in it more than he was Oh, he wasn't in it that much Well, see that's another thing I think they changed their mind on they were like if we bring him back We can redo the origin story. We can make the villain bound to the main character like super hardcore We can re contextualize the villains of all the three seasons to make this season feel more grand and purposeful And then at the same time we can have a journey for her to get her powers back And we can tell the story of this crazy guy who uh Who thinks humans are a scourge on the planet and wants to you know Like just giving us a straight up motivation as opposed to just your evil Yeah, I mean think another thing I'd like to see because again, you know hated the russian thing in season three, but like The fact that I don't think you needed that to have a gate open in russia They could have just been some one blown out in russia or whatever the show is at a weird relationship with russians this whole time I feel like they haven't fully understood exactly what they even wanted to do with it So they caught a bunch of demogorgons and they caught The mind flayer or a piece of the mind flayer the dusty stuff. Yeah, I got nothing for you. I'm at what I I don't even I'm not even 100% clear of what happened at the end of it like the dusty stuff went into the The the demogorgon demodogs and then they had to kill them Yeah, so that they're all like little avatars that that run completely on on mind flare dust Yeah, so I don't have a better term for it. Okay um, and that so the mind flare can break itself up and run its little minions So, I mean that that's going to be a tough one to explain now because Because they haven't they've been piecemealing the seasons and they have the mind flare absolutely requires Little pieces throughout the season then that was always my complaint for season two and three is like, you know I would have been fine with a lot of this shit if I known more about the mind flare like why it's what its motivation was um You know maybe I think in the reference to motivations in season two or three at some point because they do eventually say like You made it mad and you shouldn't make him mad. It's like, oh, okay Okay, you made it mad. Why why? Well I don't know. He's mad because they kept burning his vines and that upsets him Okay Yeah, it's very strange. You're like, all right. Um, yeah, by the way more than that It needs to be intelligent That's what I found kind of awkward is do you remember the big moment in season two with the demo dogs all attack the big science building Yep, and it wipes out like everyone. They all get killed. The weird thing is A lot of the weaponry and defenses in that building are fire related because they've been trying to burn the vines back over and over again This is what we see them do it quite a few times and season four establish is that a flamethrower Just one of them can wipe out like seven demagogan related enemies all at once And where did the dogs go? They just did they kill all the dogs? I guess so Well people are trying to tell me why the russians are in the show in the 80s No, I know about I'm saying why they did it narratively speaking What the purpose of having russians is like what what are we doing with them? It feels like the duffer brothers aren't quite sure what they wanted the russian element to be They wanted to dare because like they were a big part of the 80s. We all understand that cold war some of us live through it um a lot of uh Very legitimate paranoia going on a lot of people try to downplay that but there I mean now that especially since the fall of the soviet union. We found out that a lot of that paranoia was absolutely Uh justified in a lot of ways They were trying to change our culture through our art and everything and that there's plenty of uh information on that um So yeah, I would have played more on that than digging out a base I would have had just to be in russia and like the gate pops open like that would have probably been That would have made more sense It just was a little over the top I know they wanted to have a big battle in a mall because malls were so 80s Like yeah, I got I got it big flash monster in the mall Fleshy monsters in the mall but uh I Mean again, you could just skip those two completely You don't need them. Yeah, you just need one and four and you're good and you're good And you'll have plenty of time to enjoy it and parse it out because it's going to be years until we get Well, I I got a super chat asking if it's okay to skip season three and it's like yeah, man You can't worry about it season three is the one that I think has the lowest reputation from what I see people talk about There is loads of videos that'll give you a rundown on both seasons in like 20 minutes each Just I would watch one of those if you really need to know what's going on Yeah, because you saw I'm not on camera. By the way, my camera just stopped working and I'd have to back out and come back Yeah, I want to do that Um, you get stuff like Murray's introduction in season two and it's just like you'll be fine They kind of reintroduce him anyway.  I like Murray I am I like Murray as well Though the one thing that bothers me so much more than it probably should is when I was watching it and uh, Yuri offers them both coffee I was like Joyce should take it and she should drink it. Murray should look at him and be like, yeah, no And and not take it and then what you should have happen is she drinks it and she starts to you know She's walking around. She starts losing it for him. Murray's like, whoa, are you okay?   Um, I enjoy him I think he's funny. I like Murray. I got no problem Murray And I actually that's was the most annoying character to me up until season four like just why Uh, I think I can agree with that. Yeah I I felt like she was eating up screen time for no other reason than it's like we're trying to make max work Let us make her work. It's like it's not working man. And what they did to hopper. I agree. Yes.  I liked I got to I got to enjoy this on my um in this My wife because she's rad Um made me a home theater in our new house like as a present.    So it's on my computer screen but um looked like quality-wise the music is great The the the effects are pretty good. There's I mean there's some choppy stuff in there once in a while But they were pretty good for the most part. Hey, um, I said this before but like The shows can uh, how good have you ever had this where a commenter will say You know your videos are so good. They're not even second monitor material They're first monitor material while I'm eating it's like, whoa, that's the ultimate compliment that they're on your first monitor And while you and then I was saying to I think it was jay about this show I was like uh after episode three it graduated from second to first monitor content And I was so excited for the last two episodes. It graduated from first monitor to tv content I like set it up so that I could watch it on my tv and talk to people on discord through my phone and stuff I was like, that's that's how invested I am in this being good. Please. Yeah, that's a good point all the like It was definitely tv content for me. I never even thought about it like that Yeah, because I don't watch any any moral Well, you know like kenobi I I focus on it so that I can give people You know a detailed analysis because I know they want me to go through it and take it seriously But I mean if I were forced to watch it to not speak to anyone about it just it would be on this third monitor stuff I don't care. It's terrible. Was it me or I mean like Kenobi was shot so dark. It was like game of thrones dark It had like in this Was weird how all the lightsaber fights took place in darkness and I think rags were saying like It's obvious because they're doing that so that they can coast on the style of the lightsabers lighting up the scenes to just look cool Yep, I think that's it.  Oh that's the thing man, you know Enjoy this little moment of having some fun with tv because we're about to hit a tidal wave of garbage of Garbage we'll get bad a cool soul in and among it, but hey, yeah, yeah, which I cannot wait for that'll be tv content Yeah, yeah, but I'm gonna roll by because I saw razor fist tweeting about it a lot. I'm gonna go back and watch them Hell on wheels Deadwood i'm gonna get that i'm just gonna rewatch some good shit until the end of the year because yeah End of august early september I got house of the dragon and rings of prime That was um, I forgot to mention by the way because I said the first half of it You know, I was saying that I was curious how jason would end up ruining the plan I was really disappointed that a guy walking his dog saw them and then reported it.  It was the guy who said didn't you hear the kid? Let's all go.  I guess I was like There was ways to write that he was at the store the gun store just have him following them from there That's all you had to do This is what I mean about Do you remember the duffer brothers writing because um, you know like kanobi if someone said like oh What tweaks would you make to save the season? It's like it's not tweaks We're we're we're just drawing the whole thing and redoing it way out of tweak territory But like duffer brother stuff a lot of the time is tweaks like oh you just need to put this here Like okay, I didn't like the end of papa And I and I I'm sorry to repeat it, but I got I just left the I don't know sour Um, I I didn't need l to forgive him Right. I was discussing with my wife.  I'm like that's a good point and everything But he's sitting there going you have to understand and and I'm gonna say it again They needed to flesh out like what the danger is I get it that the upside down is dangerous They've been telling us for three seasons, but like Give me not every reason Just give me some show me an example Maybe like hey, we've done some research on this.  That's all I'm saying. I would have liked a little more on that. Well, um So are you unhappy because she didn't say anything right like she didn't say anything like I Felt like there should have been some more said But it didn't need to be like forgiving papa Because one thing I'll say is that when the character doesn't say anything It is kind of up to you what you think is going through her head exactly enough I think it is a little complicated like she probably You could Infer that she thinks to herself. I do understand why you've done this. This is world threatening stuff But at the same time you essentially tortured me And a bunch of other kids, but I'm assuming you're saying you would have preferred that she say that that It just In his final words Maybe he should have let her know like Okay I need you to understand what I did And this is the threat blah blah blah blah blah and then she could say goodbye papa Just but begging for her forgiveness like for what? Like you you tortured her and she doesn't like what does she know? She doesn't know much more You brought her back into the fold To get her powers back and said well, this is you know, we figured Beckness back and the eyes are missing. It's like, all right.  That seems like a a character opportunity.  Yeah Yeah, character like that around a little longer. Yeah, why not? You know, it could be fodder. It could be somebody like yeah that the character you can kill You know he could like a little quick scene where he's like, yeah, I got my two kids at home You know a lot great. So, you know, just just dead meat is printed all over him I was talking about this on uh Nina's stream But like one of the suggestions to try and fix up the Lenora plot line is to actually have that portion of it start Way earlier because that's where 11 is and the government try and find it early Maybe even before everything kicks off in the Hawkins one, but like so this guy, you know His partner's killed he takes care of him for like a few episodes Where they get involved in different action scenes trying to figure these things out stay ahead of the government And uh, he has to teach Jonathan a few things because he has to basically act as his partner until they get to safety sort of thing and you could um Make it so that Jonathan has some level of purpose instead of just being I will get high when i'm stressed out and hopefully Nancy Understands that i'm going to a different university. I can't believe that's it for Jonathan in the whole season Yeah, that was really weak. That was really weak Dude, I was getting really bad vibes from like the first scene he had with Argyle where he was like he was explaining Where he's going to end up for uni and how Nancy's not ending up in the same place and I was just like, oh, what's what's the payoff this scene going to be that?  It's too skinny too skinny Girl needs a cheeseburg. Well, he is too. They both need to eat I just you know, I just want I just want more scenes of Steve hanging out with Dustin. Those two are funny together Looks good enough for me.  All right. Uh So far we've come Yeah, yep, uh How you doing, man? How am I doing? I'm doing good Uh, it's good. What's coming to 11 p.m. For me says, you know, that's still fine Okay, how are you doing? I'm good. I'm probably gonna have to let my dogs out. My dog has been staring at me for like 15 minutes in a minute here. You might have to carry it for a second, but Very fair Yeah, how are you gonna do this because I'm sure you've got super chats. Um I mean, I think I have like 12 so it shouldn't be too hard to get through them Okay, because I can stay through that. I mean It's not like I'm going anywhere it's not like Yeah, I'm staying here Well, I mean I'll stay as well for uh for doing some of yours if you want we could we could take it in turns even if you want Yeah, we could But why can can you read a couple while I My poor dog. Oh, well, I can't read yours obviously, but yes, I can read some of yours, of course All right. Yeah, sure. I'll be right back and And maybe I can try to get my camera working Sweet. All right. All right. Thanks, man so Russia arc had zero impact on anything total filler So funnily enough, I would have been fine with it if it didn't reflect in any way the stuff that 11 and the the Hawkins gang were doing I'm fine with a plotline being that we're trying to get hopper saved from Russia Another big payoff is that they get him out. That's fine with me I feel like it gets more embarrassing when they try and bind it to the 11 plotline Where hopper was like, ah, you see us killing a bunch of demogorgons will help. It's like Okay, uh I don't know about that but okay Okay Uh, the show has about 27 too many characters I don't even think I disagree with you. I think that um, whenever we get characters that have a lot of decent work done for them A lot of decent writing. There are other ones that suffer big time Uh, I think It's become clear that the Lenora plotline is filled with characters that just didn't get the attention detail or I guess dimensions that they needed Um at the sacrifice of basically the Hawkins plotline Unfortunate, but there we are And uh, this problem wouldn't be happening if they had less people to write for Which is interesting because the season is so long I think they'd be able to do it. Uh, jack and huggar was the great russian guy. Hi wombo Hello, and yeah, uh, the actor who played jack and huggar I think is how he says it in the show is the one that played the russian guard I knew I recognized him and then I googled in I was like, oh my god Uh, can we talk about how stupid the bad general was though willing to murder government agents and innocent civilians because he has a hunch that L is doing bad with zero evidence I think I can agree with that. He was a bit stereotypical Um, I think he said like what's more likely The science project has gone run amok and killing people again like has happened before Or there's a demon in an alternate universe and blah blah blah blah and it's like Man, don't they have evidence of this? Don't by now that the alternate universe is a thing and the the upside down is a thing and Do they not have cameras and and and testimony and stuff? Like this general seems to be stuck all the way back in like early season one Like he seems to have no idea what's happening. It's kind of weird and the whole um Murdering innocent civilians. You might have to remind me on that one.  I don't know Um, obviously he kills the the agents or at least torches the agent. I'm assuming he killed him as well He wasn't on that security level the thing is he seems to outrank dr. Owens So you'd think dr. Owens would be able to like inform him But I guess it's all compartmentalized to the point when no one knows what Owens or papa were doing It's like, okay, um I'm not going to say it's a flaw necessarily. I think I need to re-watch it to see if I think it fits. Um I just would have thought he'd know, you know Uh, they made too many characters in order to meet diversity Co-o shins now they stuck with them and have to force 127 story arcs not just two or three great ones Well, to be fair, there was three or four story lines. I think in this right? That's how they did it And I think they could have been better. I think the Lenora plot line could have been way better It just wasn't But they definitely have shoved a lot of characters into this show now Which is another reason why killing several of them would have been perfectly reasonable. They could have done it, but they didn't Um, I wonder if they're gonna give max the fred treatment her body, but someone else driving That is one of the theories that she'll be possessed Uh, she'll be vesselified. It's possible. I suppose we shall see They should reward people for paying attention Yeah, I totally agree, man And I think you both get rewards and punishments with this season for paying attention Uh, there's some stuff that doesn't make sense. There's some stuff that you can see coming because of it Kind of wanted Jason to get forced into the upside down to see eddie's sacrifice And then he tells hawkins about him and clears eddie's name though. That's another character They would have to deal with Uh, yeah, man, that's I think that would have been a way more interesting payoff I think it reflects the stuff about those writing for someone like steve where he's going the way of jock Who's an asshole, but then they pull him back and they're like actually he's a human being But hey nice and they could have done that with jason, but they made him just You know archetypal bad guy But you know, I'm not gonna say you should never do that. It's just that it's just I just find it less satisfying That's all Um eddie playing master puppets is badass MVP of the season dude That's like one of the best scenes just ever but um I might be a little bit biased I do like metal You know steve's only alive and good because of joe Because of joe I recently rewatched season one and two. Who's joe? Who am I misremembering? Only alive and good because of joe people like to say that the um Steve became good after he got like thrashed by uh, jonathan But uh, I can't even remember jonathan joe mama joe kiri I don't know. Hey. Hey back Hey, hey, hey reading out some some opinions from from the chat, you know Jason is going to have a doth mole return though his hatred of eddie and through his hatred of eddie and lucas Jokes aside so glad they fixed harper and added depth to sarah. Yeah I'm glad they got him back on track and hopefully they they maintain it for season five.  It would be nice if harper led them Probably yeah, like he's supposed to right? um I think I think joe's not being a manic frickin Neurotic, uh through an entire season was was good Yeah I like wanona rider. I like it too. Um, I think she was at her best in season one Uh, I think she really tried hard to pull off the whole like a mother who refuses to give up on her son Which was awesome. Yeah, uh, I felt like in season two It got a little bit silly when she basically just repeated the whole plot line she had in season one um Even to the point of redoing like oh look she follows the lights and gets an alphabet and this season It's like oh look she follows the drawings and creates a whole map of hawkings in her house. It's like That's That's coincidental Max was a woke diversity character. They're stuck with that's why she made no sense from show to show in season to season. She can't die I i'm pretty sure after what we just saw.   I mean if they could have made it make sense, you know But they did and like they blew the chance of making her Like have a real arc because like oh she was insufferable and unlikable because she was popping pills and suicidal. Okay That makes sense. Yeah, you got through that and then Like killing her would I mean it's it's f'd up, but it would make sense if like story wise It's they kind of what you should have done. That's the thing that if someone said like they can't care I'd be like, yeah, well, they shouldn't have built it this way then they should have Come up with a different plan if you're gonna put her against vekna and then have 11 fail to kill vekna You know what that means, right?   That's one of the most unreal things I've ever seen in writing. She had like six Oh, I kind of like Illyria So like it's yeah, it's It's you talk about subversion. Her whole plan is This is why by the way that if me and gary ever actually talk about buffing angels a full topic You'll be here for 10 years.  They just have her go.   He doesn't just go nuts and start killing everybody. It's like interesting.  And then when west league, you know Goes she gets mad. Oh, yeah.   It's pretty good. Yeah uh So, yeah, like I don't know. It's just like we've seen similar storylines play out and uh Fringe of things I just think they they misstepped because they in the Ryan room. They're like we can't kill max we can't The it's too scary. We can't do that Gotta come back Yeah, like They I don't want them to do with this time jump is everybody's moving on with their life now We're going to get jobs and careers and we're going to college.  They even say it at the end It's like no we got it.   I've got a few Thank you guys by the way Uh, we have I love season one season two was flaky season three was rise of skywalker bad in my opinion. I agree uh, I couldn't get 30 minutes in the first episode of season four rehashed none other characters changed they do Well, they do. Yeah, I mean max and hopper are one of the best changes they made in season. Absolutely like I'm telling you right now. I hated the character of max and it made me like Roll my eyes at watching the show for season four. I'm like Because I was convinced it was gonna be worse And even like in the first episode I was kind of feeling like you, uh birdman 520 201 21 Thank you for the five dollars and I stopped watching it after the first episode.  I'm like, okay. I'll watch the first episode over again, which I did and Totally started getting into it after that.  It's pretty good. I'm liking this um And I wasn't you know, I Jeremy had said he he had liked what he had seen but I wasn't listening to a lot of you know, I was kind of secluded And uh walked out of like home. Maybe maybe it was just me.  No, I I liked it. I thought it was to it's not perfect.  Yeah. Yeah, man same Can't do that anymore And Well, I was saying to you like uh, I saw this and then rewatched it with some friends during Kenobi releasing And seriously going from Kenobi to any episode of season four of stranger things It's the difference between watching a story unfold and watching this gross upper tiering of nonsense And so it just It makes it better because I'm just like, oh, yeah, right the story is unfolding characters are changing people are going through things versus Look, it's Kenobi. He's got a blue lightsaber. Look. He said hello there Seal clap Yeah, that's what we have right now.   And not only is the metallica song there. We have a character playing it in universe with a guitar like that doesn't happen So, um, it's hard to hate it too much, you know Yeah, I I I Can't uh, I've it's it's been the most enjoyable thing to watch in in a while in a while I mean, I really like the Northman and I really like top gun. So it's it You know, we've gotten some good stuff, uh, but I've also watched So much crap And we're on the doorstep of Thor Love and Thunder And we're in the doorstep of Thor Love and Thunder and She-Hulk It's gonna be great exciting times. Yeah Um, Joseph Fazio For a dollar nine and nine says thank you very much by the way says hopper is red guardian Hopper's better than well. He turned in the red guardian in season two and three for sure. Yeah Yeah, because red guardians whole thing was lol.  It's like, okay Sorry, but my my dogs are I'm alone, right? So My dogs just want to look at me and hang out with me now because they don't have the kids Or anything. It's like guys I'm working right now guys. I'm talking about a tv show talking about a tv show.  No, the dog just does not care. You could probably hear her panning Say you oh now you stop. Okay fine Oh go lay down. Sorry go stop I just fed him too. They have no excuse. Yeah, there you go. Thank you God that was Good good girl. Um jens Jens Jürgensen For 100 danish krona Uh hail to the dutch farmers Um Happy trees and day you ungrateful colonials. Uh, yeah I'm happy. I wish my camera was on because I have my captain america stripe shirt. It's like his costume Right, so it's got the stripes on the bottom. I've got my stars and stripes bathing suit on and I've got my Stars and stripes White trash straw hat on which you guys saw for like a second, but then my camera froze got all themed more than everything Okay, though.  Huh? It's a good. Okay He just needs another body or entity to uh to fully control while his body left His body was gone The way I see it is a burned up I mean maybe a lot of people trying to rationalize a way they can develop this that will be better than simply Bringing max back or bringing back in a back fully. It's like whatever. I'm just like I hope you're right guys. I do Oh, if they bring her back as max, but it's vekna I'd be okay with that I um what I wanted when and this is something I was talking to my friends with when we were watching it I was like, of course when she says no about max dying What she's doing is she's gonna put her hand on max and like pull the personality out Of the dying body and thus like carry max with her in the same way that vekna does with his victims You know 11 can use max's um Let's call it essence and and and keep it within her max lives on through 11 And I thought even then like moving on from it Maybe the that can help 11's power that she would have someone within her as well that can draw on Memories of love that can help if you know battle vekna's memories of rage or something like that But no that that's not that's not what they were doing either So I I'm not you know, I'm not sure exactly where they're going with it. I guess we'll find out Well, yeah, max is Absorbed into vekna right now. That's why she couldn't see or hear any You know couldn't see or feeling anything because she was detached from her body So he's still alive. So she's in him Uh, that's why they showed 11 going into her head and there was nothing there. Yeah, nothing there So I agree if she comes back is just a vessel and that's it. I'm fine with that But I I just don't trust the duff of brothers. They're bringing it back.  Yeah um We got mikey gustler for five five dollars. Oh moller Uh, did you like jay's quote from kanobi luke had more luke had a moment where he was thinking about Striking ben and they made a bunch of man babies upset. Uh, yeah jay balman. Um He that's the one from red light media. He's he's just for some reason he refuses to understand what anybody's point Regarding luke and tlj is he for always?  It's like red light media. Don't care about star wars Like that built their career caring about star wars. It's their entire channel It feels weird to me that they just gradually stopped caring about consistency within the writing of star wars I mean if they did fair enough Yeah, but like you just made a Picard video telling you how much you cared about Picard and had you let go because you were caring too much Yeah, and a lot of the logic they use where they're like just stop I think rich literally says if you just stop caring about Things making sense in star wars. You'll enjoy it. It's like why can't I just say that about star trek? Well? Yeah, like Picard and kenobi are the same bad They are the exact same bad Not giving a shit about what came before Vandalizing your your titular character Because it's far more interesting to you the quote-unquote creator who's involved to tear that character down because it just looks like another white male to you That's The same kind of bad.  I I I'm right there with them.   I mean like dude.  It was so bad. You may do After the hype and the discussions and the coverage of season four strange things is like I imagine The most they'll ever have tune in we'll be tuning in for the premiere of season five People are gonna be interested right now. We've got You're exactly right. So like we're talking about stranger things positively eddie is trending people are talking about max and The bath there's not a split fandom here. There's some people who just don't like and that's fine I understand why you don't like I get it. Yeah, but like as far as the fandom within stranger things Most of them are very happy right now. That's it's called a success. That's what a Success is not Look at all those racist fans complaining about our black character that we shoehorned in, you know, it's like That's not a success Kenobi, you know what having to lie Having to go on, you know having people on reddit positively review bombing kenobi to keep it from being That's not a success.  I've been saying it for years But now, uh, you know, I there's that article from screen ramp two days ago.  It's like what? What Oh, see that's but that's I'm telling you that's been their plan all along They didn't pay this much for star wars to not eventually remake it They just didn't So no, but this is it stranger things for is a success and it's like it's one that came out of left field for me Anyway, I just didn't think they would be able to write the ship. I never thought they would be able to get this Yeah, this level again. I thought they talked about unprecedented. So Um You know, there's always been like one bad season that you can recover from but I mean like two like Not like very good seasons so far below what the season one was It'll be like westworld like writing writing the ship right now Which it did not which it did not also i'll be right back. I'm just gonna talk a little quick. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead.   Now it went from so smart to so dumb Uh, because uh, jonathan nolin is no longer involved with it in any way shape or form and you can tell You can really tell uh bubba dune for ten dollars says thinking of the 80s Does anyone remember the series of children's mystery books from hitchcock? The three investigators jupiter was awesome. No, I don't I don't bubba dune I'll have to check that out That's interesting. Mikey gusler. By the way, it's great to hear from you. Thank you for the five dollars uh bass player two 2011 iffy for five dollars is jason is on the same level of henry bowers in the made for tv It film no character at all just there to be an arse. Yeah and and I was kind of hoping that they would do a steve ish thing with him Because that was one of the coolest things about season one was steve started out as kind of a prick and he kind of But he evolved he evolved as a character. I like to see that And and you can do it with bad guys too. They can still evolve and be bad I thought papa was a little better, but I just wish they would have done more in the end That's me though. Didn't kill the whole thing for me though Eddie months in character Greater than all kanobi characters says just as fat seagull for two Stevens ago For two canadian pesos could not agree more Could not agree more Oh, we do have kovakai at the end of the year. Don't we? That's good too Speaking of good characters Uh edward morris for 499 says I like jonathan, but him getting killed off would be a good character opportunity for will I think it would be too Yeah, sure. I think it would be too. I think you'll give will More to do I want to see will get more to do because I I agree with maul I think the kid's a good actor Yeah It's just that if if if they've lost faith in writing Uh jonathan somewhere then yeah use him to die. I guess use him use him.  Your little brother so big brothers are supposed to do You know, I mean like living would probably be better, but if they have to die do it saving your little brother Wait, why did someone in chess had your hard drive needs check in Seriously, dude, does someone happen while I was gone that made noises or I don't know maybe Michael I'm on a backup computer right now. That's that's really needs to go to the shop. So I don't know if it's uh, I thought I'm muted, but if it didn't whoops I didn't hear you I don't know if it was me or you well because I am worried about my computer. It's still struggling along new ones on the way That's good. I mean your audio was doing a it wasn't like bad It was just like a little chop once in a while, but it's gone.   I want to give you a shout out made the wings of liberty never lose a feather Uh, was it the one yesterday or like another shooting today?  That's what that's what I say. Hi q. Thank you for the five uh, british pounds, um There's a shooting every day here every single day There are people getting murdered Left and right in Chicago and you never hear about it. You never hear about it Same with oakland same with richman same with east l. A there is people getting mowed down every single day But you don't hear about it because it's not good for the narrative Unfortunately, but that's uh price of freedom Price of freedom is risk I know that sounds cold-blooded, but it's true Uh, mikey gustler for ten dollars says so the scoopers said that superman will be in black adam But they won't show his face only his suit. Wow. I'm not surprised. I'm saving my money film looks boring anyway hashtag restore this night reverse It looks boring to me too mikey. It really does black adam still don't know what they're doing with superman then No, I mean like If zaslawf is this genius that everybody says he is then he'd be talking to henry cavill and Signing him and getting matthew von who has been saying for over a decade that he's got a great superman story written by mark malar I would just say okay. I'll let's try it Let's try it matthew von's very good director Mark malar good comic writer and I think bond could probably tweak any script. I'd love to see it But mikey, I'm with you. I black adam just Fall asleep halfway through hearing about it. I saw the trailer didn't Didn't mean much part of the problem is the rock.  It looks like the rock Uh, edward morris for 999 the duffers have said they purposely didn't answer everything in volume two because they wanted to answer In the final season which is fair enough. Absolutely. I'm fine with that So so the reason why it's stuck in 83 will be revealed later and I'm cool with that I was just asking if they did say anything of the the stuck in 83 Thing was I think a good bit of information to be honest with you that I look forward to seeing answered. I have my theories But I'm glad they didn't answer it that the season So I'm right. I'm with you Buford T justice for ten dollars is another problem.  I mean a shotgun's good a sawed-off shotgun's good Yeah And this is back in the day when like you could buy guns There's no background check.  I would for sure I would for sure Did you get you got some super chats over there? Yeah, I can read some yeah I stopped watching after season two. Would I have to watch season three to understand season four? Or could I just skip to season four? Like yeah, you can skip skip skip skip To be honest, dude, when you find out a plot summary of season three, you won't believe it You're like, what do you mean? I've watched of it. It's you're like The ice cream store workers stumble across a russian experiment below an american mall. You're like, whoa, why? Like yeah Hey, it's space wizards for children. Okay it It is Don't worry about it. Uh, yeah Happy britain lost day. Oh man long man and nude Yeah, well, happy. No happy. Good job america happy. Happy nice nice job We're not doing that great About our country is we're run by an incompetent, you know, uh senile Uh illegally voted in shithead, uh, but we still love our country and uh, he'll be gone in a couple years Uh, don't know if we're gonna replace him with anybody better. Hope so Hope so Um, thank you for being my favorite welshman. Hey, that's not bad You know christian bales of welshman and the hoggins out there. Apparently I beat them both not bad Um, I haven't watched any of the show, but I always enjoy listening I always wonder about that like what it feels like to listen to you and I talk about this show without having any context for any of it I feel like uh, I think i'm following Well, it's like when you guys talk about video games. I'm still listening I have no idea when you're like going to elden ring. I'm like, all right. Yeah I'll just tune out for a few minutes. I don't know what's going on. Yeah Um You had me almost picking this up again after dropping it in season two But hearing that steve has to get back with the worst character. Yeah, I'll pass He doesn't nor at least in this season.    I would assume the same thing could happen Yeah, but it's just yeah, because like it was funny that there was a subreddit Stranger things they would do in like a thing where they were trying to like put percentages on chances of characters dying Steve had one of the highest eddie was like guaranteed A couple of other people like had higher ones, but Robin was brought up as a topic and there was like some people here knew like yeah, they might kill me again Most people was like no, they won't kill her.  They're not killing her.  I think Um, it actually really annoyed me, um Do you remember in season three when they captured by the russian steve gets the hell beaten out of him? Yeah, they barely touch robin Yeah, see that's um You know what really would have happened Yeah, uh, and it would have been it would have been horrifying.  Be terrible It's such a the whole season so weird tonally because like they do get like like like steve Like he's brought to you know, it's wit's end with like being tortured and beaten and stuff And it's just like yeah, what did you expect when you were infiltrating like a secret russian organization, dude? Like I don't really know It's a weird season It's really weird Um So yeah, I like steve in this season.  I mean like even at the end when he saw robin with molly ringwald there He's smiling for yeah, you know, it's that's cool.   Don't worry about it Yeah, so like I felt like he felt a little bit in the background towards the end but like he definitely had moments to shine and you know I'm hoping steve gets a decent.  They've had a chance to kill him like 17 times And they just won't take it From a narrative standpoint, I don't understand why vekna focused on hunting down max after losing her already if he needed To kill four people why focus on one who knows how to fight you off? Completely agree. I have no idea why it only takes four why vekna Needs to take these particular four as opposed to do you remember when he's searching for victims and there's like a hundred It's like cerebro.  Come on someone else. I mean, yeah, yeah Yeah, I don't know.  It was just like I I I don't like being fat.  It was amazing. Yeah, it's cool. And you know what? I don't care how on the un-nose it might have been. I just don't care. It was cool Uh, I can still enjoy things. That's nice. It's rare But it's nice. They're going quotes. They this is They even echo his voice on that part. Uh, yeah It could relate a lot to that bit.  Fuck. Yeah Doesn't max have to died in hospital for gates to reopen at the very end. She's the fourth gates can't open without four She did die. So She as a I don't want to say soul because I don't think they've made that a mechanic in this universe. Uh His software is gone her consciousness. Yeah That's that's gone. That's dead. So that's why the gate opens bodies being kept alive Like artificially, I guess at a heartbeat did stop which allowed everything to Yeah, that's it. Yeah, uh, and then 11 11 rebooted her body but not the consciousness Uh, I enjoyed the hell out of this season. This show had a really good jumping quality I yeah, I think it's a significant jump from season three. Yeah, I'll agree Uh season five finale 11. I believe it love Probably she's gonna beat vacna with love probably. Yeah Yeah, it's um, it's not even something I'd hate them if they did it. I was just going, yeah, I figures figures you'd do that. All right Uh, happy fourth mohler and gary. Thank you very much High top made a new video on why there should be a new superman solo movie and for once I actually agree with him as a superman fan. It does hit the last movie He was in was the snider cut Well, I mean Hey, you know, some people like the snider cut and that's okay Sunwatch that video because he shot me through this like my son shoots me random messages all the time But this is like, why can't they make a good superman movie? I'm like, I know son Yeah, I'm I'm as ready for it as you guys are who'd be nice to have a good superman movie. Yeah Before superheroes die out. I'd love to see a proper superman movie Uh, hollywood's incapable. I mean the answer is they are incapable because they they're general belief system Um does not believe in the hero It's it is weird. Yeah, they've they've really gone away from What I guess I could call intuitively classic storytelling in a lot of ways a lot of archetypes and tropes They used to they're like tried and tested. They don't seem to want to get anywhere near them anymore kind of weird Yeah, it is Uh I still think it's sad how good of chemistry christie and eddie had even the brothers realized they made a mistake It's finally my year henderson I uh, I think that surprised everybody. I was gonna say that was the scene where I was almost baffled by the show I was like, how am I enjoying Two people who I've never seen really before who've not really talked to each other that much before How am I enjoying this scene so much? Like yeah chemistry between them was basically off the charts, which is funny because The main two that I would spot as like having the least chemistry of the two that We're supposed to believe in as a couple being jonathan and nansey. Yeah, they have and they're they're actually a couple in real life Which is it's insane. It doesn't make any sense at all because Chrissy and eddie on the other hand, it's like I would have loved to have had another scene with us It would have been great if eddie could somehow have like I I'm I appreciate it immensely that they had him say this is for you. Chrissy. I was like, uh, he's still Still remembers it. He still cares about it. That's good. Shit. Mm-hmm Because yeah, uh, it's kind of sad the vacna took a bunch of people who really obviously were just normal people going through stuff like No, they don't they don't get to get their justice sort of thing. I think that was another line eddie had right? He was like make him pay but like that In regards to vacna Uh, by the way, mola back when I was still in chat as raw I used to tell you to watch attack on titan all the time don't it ended up the worst ending of any media I checked out all media because of it and that's how bad it was recently though. I started watching Uh, things again and found a lot of good stuff When I strongly recommend if you was spy family pure quinoe. Yeah, I heard that's good. Oh, I haven't heard of that Is uh good. It's anime. Is it netflix or the somewhere else? I don't know. I'll find out Oh the channel tell us.   It's on hulu. Uh, he's in the uk So I don't know if it'll be on hulu in the uk fair enough um Imagine by having an awful piece of writing a total break in time eddie played emerald sword I think in all seriousness i'd climax to death So emerald sword is from rhapsody and that's my favorite band unfortunately that song is well past 1986 So we're not going to be able to have that pop up. But hey No, it was night master profits came out in 1986. It was the most listened to album. I'm like listen. There's a lot of uh Like metallica is not what they once were those but this was still cliff Burton days. So I was lucky enough to see once I was telling you that in the chat like I saw metallica open for ozzy with cliff Burton.  I mean like that would have been Ballsy writing I don't know about dustin well Yes, weird because um part of addy's final decision is to prevent dustin's death He cuts off the the line so that dustin can't easily get through and it does save dustin's life Because if dustin had followed him straight away, he probably would have died too. Yep So I I I appreciate To be honest dude, I I am holding out all hope that we get at least one scene of dustin listening to metal next season It's like please please please Carried on I think I think it would be ballsy and and could be good if l dies at the end I'm on board with that. I don't think they're gonna do it. I just don't think the duff brothers would do it She reminds me of aya.  Yeah, like that's what she did to some of the agents I don't know if he's in one, but she blows her their brains up in their head you hear So Yeah, I mean that would be ballsy. They will never do that that will never ever ever happen Uh Do I uh It would just never happen, but I actually kind of kind of held out a little hope that they would kill her this season Well, yeah, like they used to do this stuff in movies, you know, main characters should die all the time Everyone doiled I didn't Yeah, angel.  That's supposed to be a main character.  They didn't do Fucking steve robin and nancy were tied up for like half an hour with things around their necks Like i'm sorry, but that was really bad like in tips of translating it to the audience What you need to do Is have the vines attacking them and they like they're dealing with it and they're saving each other But then as soon as we get near to the point where vekna's defeated you have them get tied up And so they have to last like, you know, half a minute running out of oxygen You don't have it so that they're tied up and then half an hour later. They let go It's like, what was vekna doing? Why would he kill them? Yeah It's uh, it's weird. Um, yeah, it was and you know, you have to rely on like why didn't vekna kill 11 It's like well because he wants her to watch him win. It's like, okay all right Lucky, you know, if he had just killed it just said Wg for $50. Thank you. Wg. What's up, man? Not sure if you picked up on it But pretty sure vekna was dropped Uh, was dropping hints throughout that he was gay in all seriousness I wish the season ended on episode seven the last two episodes felt way flat with too many character arcs. Anyway, happy fourth Yeah, they weren't paced as well as the first few and you can tell they were still working on them and they Need more time and it got rushed Dude, the it's so weird to try and describe it, but episode eight felt almost like an extended trailer for episode nine Yeah, it's so not necessary Like we could have done all of that way faster Yep Yep, and to call it papa and just like all he did was I mean he saved her But we we got no insight on where he came from who he was like Who's else dad like that's the other thing is you know They never think the other parent is but like that there's still like a losing for dads in this like that's why it was so surprising that um Eddie's uncle Was shown any kind of respect. Yeah, wow uh Well, have you heard the theory that they're gonna reveal next season that vacnor is 11's dad Oh, you know, I had never thought about that. Um, is he old enough? I think it would be cutting it real close It's really How old is that that actor is good by the way? Yeah, I thought he was really good But I just thought he was in his 20s. He's in his 20s And he'd do you know Yes, I'm not sure. Um, I've heard the theory and I was like that could be something but then again Yeah, I'm not sure if the timeline works if he's Yeah, because how old is she In how old is she? I know how she is in real life, but how old is she supposed to be in the show? Like 16 Oh, dude, you know what I I never know the answers these questions Because it feels like their age has changed throughout So if that is like 34, okay He could be like 19 and have a kid 18 Pushing 17, you know, you'd say like two of the two of the psychic kids got busy During one of their acid trips.  Maybe Uh, wg happy fourth my friend Happy fourth A man award 665 the neighbor of the beast Speaking of a good metal band Man award Yeah Now we're talking.  However, uh I am hq metal and dnd member berries and felt weak sauce as fuck. Um That's part one by the way. Uh, this is how The critical role set This is how the critical role set think old school dndc. Oh sessions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get your dnd Criticisms because yeah, look they put a lot of modernism on dnd.   That's what eddy is but like we I'm serious That this is the best we're going to get Come on. What I Manowar. I think they were trying to like humanize Yeah metalhead, which I'm not against because I hung out. I know you were one.    I heard forever and it wasn't uh, but um Yeah, it was it just reminds me of the good old days when like music defined us. It was like the thing That's how we spoke to each other That that was our thing Even, you know, we had ska. We had punk. We had mods It was it was good times. We hated each other bought all time You know, but then we had the same party selling each other drugs, you know, those were the days But yeah, like, uh, I knew a lot of metalheads that were that were like eddie I knew a ton of them that were like eddie. Like I said, I think we actually opened with saying this in the stream.  Uh, yeah Because yeah, they worked hard to make him very endearing and they gave him a full lock Manowar is saying um, and and I don't blame him for saying this is just Outside of steve Every character feels like well even steve a little bit like he's not getting the girl, right? They feel like they're being held down and that that was my big issue with season two and three I don't think they did it as much this season. Like because I think eddie was shown like massive respect at the end Which I don't think they would have done three years ago. Yeah, I don't disagree Stranger things is like its own worst enemy. It could be so much better Yep 11 forced healed max This is um What is it cornelius brunels for five dollars? Yeah, she did she did and I was like, no Yeah, none of the watch party we had none of us wanted to do that. We're like, no Yeah, but uh, you know Like maybe they they blow our socks off in season five and like like this is all Like part of waiting for the day where I can finish something good and then not have to say Hopefully they fix that in the next thing. I can just say no. It was just good simple as that There is a way to finish a cliffhanger season while still cliffhanger season while still resolving Yeah, your stuff Buffy mostly managed to do it every season. So, you know um I hope we get I I like I I like the overarching story. I'm a big fan of it, but it seems like it's just being used now to had and You know just uh waste a bunch of time and we end up like Even at the end of this of the final episode And I bitched about it earlier, but like they just walked up slowly To see something we all knew what we're gonna see Like, okay.  Okay, can we get there? How about now? How about now? Almost there There we go Yeah, so they really wanted to show us that the upside down is creeping in our dimension. Okay, we got it So how are you gonna explain five years because it looked like it was growing pretty big That would be a pretty big spot in five years. So does it stop at some point? Does the government find a way to contain it a little bit? Guess we'll find out. They're probably thinking about that right now. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep How you doing on super chats, buddy? I can read a few more on this end Blood armor was insane in this.  You're good, dude. Listen, I understand.    I know did you see that video?  It was so satisfying to see that I'm just happy. We're well past the time where everybody agrees.  It wasn't too bad I know it seems like um, once the bots go away and the real people actually see stuff They go, yeah, that wasn't very good.  I mean, yeah Well, yeah, he's like the only psychic god in there. He is a effing god in there Yeah, and she's never done it before the most she's ever done is mostly accidental Like in west view in terms of mind control and then she just beats him straight out. It's like, okay.  Uh, but apparently yeah having uh, um, Reed Richards turn into spaghetti was kevin figgy's idea I'm like, yeah Did you see Michael Waldron's idea of what to do if he had brought in the wasp?  I thank you go back to writing instructions on cereal boxes or something because that's all you're good for You'll end up killing children Maybe look for another thing to do Oh, yeah Good god. Yeah, and why is kevin figgy have an idea is he's he's a producer. He's not a creative And it shows Justice for jason carver a misunderstood anti-hero who is trying to protect his town From a supernatural threat. He is the tragic character since burp for five dollars. I agree That is one of the things I have to issue with that's a problem The show has no idea what they did when they portrayed that character.   They need to die. It's like Better than that, you know Well, that's what they did in season one with steve steve was supposed to be like, oh, look, he's a jock No one liked him, but he comes around You remember it's a great moment in season one where you think he's gonna run away scared from the demogorgon But he ends up saving uh, jonathan and nancy from it.    Let him understand the situation to some degree. Yeah instead of just like taking I don't know enjoyment out of the fact that he was never fully Explained the situation. You know, it's it's just weird to me. I don't know. It's uh, it's incomplete the story for him I don't think they'll over correct for him though. They don't care about him. Nobody's gonna mention him in next season All right, he'll disappear because he was designed to die and be annoying and get in the way That's all it was Yeah, and and that which makes his entire arc a waste of time Other waste of time that he's you've got way too much screen time for somebody who just dies at the end.  Uh attack on titan's ending isn't that bad It was like if after seasons one of through four of game of thrones it ended in the quality of stranger things season two Too fair. I really hated season two of stranger things You know Hey to each of the road Yeah, no attack on titan's ending is a monument to bad writing and a master class in ruined setups No book show game film anime has a worse ending Really, I mean, I still think game of thrones season eight is hard to beat just saying Hard to beat that's all I know I said I mellowed out But if people here start defending attack on titan, I'll actually go back to being exactly how I always was Oh, no, he throws people off rooftops in his super chance often You know Uh, I skipped all the russian plot. Should I go back and watch I concentrate on the kids stories or or oh in season four Um, yeah, yeah, I think so. That's what I'm saying. Oh, I yeah, I would definitely go back and watch it I think the hopper's plotline is better than the lanora plotline So if you enjoyed the lanora one then yeah, give it a shot You learn more about hopper in a very serious way that I think it's actually way better and um You get to meet the god character.  I don't know. Yeah, that makes the most sense Uh Vecna being 11's dad sounds like a troll like there's no way that's not a troll the timeline and character placement Just doesn't allow for it. I think it might allow for it timeline wise because he was um a kid in like 19 was it 1959 or something like that?  I read it and I was like, uh, maybe They could do an I am your father payoff. I suppose. I don't know We'll see, uh Yeah, I don't know. I think I think it would make fans uncomfortable You know, I'm not sure how much narrative juice you can draw out of that compared to the The gross feeling people are gonna get Um a little emoji of some hippos And um most people love steve. Uh, what do you guys think? Well, yeah, I really like steve. Um, I like steve. He's a guy who Every time every season is dragged into this mess and he usually ends up Defending people or looking after the kids because he knows that he's got it It's like his responsibility if he's the only adult in the area. I really respect someone for that And he usually comes through. He always has to do the brave thing Um, I like that they kept that up in this season Like when they're all in the boat and they realize someone's got to go in the water And he just stands up immediately and starts getting ready and he's like, I'm I was, uh, you know body a swimming guard Uh Fucking why am I forgetting the name for it the person who looks after people who might be drowning lifeguard lifeguard, yeah, um He's like I was that for three years. I was a on the swim team or whatever like nobody here will be better for this Than me i'll do it And look at him go good guy Good guy. Yeah, I am caught up for now. So Okay, uh Hikey I know nen Sorry for two euros Uh will should be bigger have bigger power than just a neck itch. Yeah. I I I agree I think they should they should have been slowly bringing on like because he had visions in season two So like and it felt like he was having one at the end of season four, but everybody was seeing it. So Mikey gusler for ten dollars. Hi, Mikey. What's up, buddy? Hey, god. Hey gary. You talked about doing a midwest meetup. This is august 12th, i'm going to death leopard motley crew of poison. Oh and jone jet. Oh, that's awesome A concert in pittsburgh pennsylvania. I want to come hang out in pittsburgh Uh august. I can't august 12th. I wish I could I can't though because that's real close to vegas. I got a prep for vegas But thank you for the invite, dude.  I do not Hey, i i i know they hate him. So they keep getting back together. So i yeah, it's I don't know But uh, I like crew. I like crew. All right Shout to devil's fun album David g for two ten, but enjoy the hell out of that show mikey and thank you for the invite really truly appreciate it Maybe next time man David g for ten australian dollars keep up the good work fellas Uh, you help keep us sane in an increasingly insane world love from the prison colony down under Yeah, good luck down there. I saw one of your uh politicians Try to equate climate change with um People being abused because of their gender which that would seem like a bit of a stretch to me. I'm just saying um But uh, yeah, that was the most insane thing I heard yesterday. I shared it in the real pbc chat Uh mauler watch cobra kai says rob duran for a dollar 99. That's fair. That's one of those ones That's on netflix, right? Is it or? That is on netflix.  It's kind of like uh, it's better than stranger things Like all the seasons were enjoyable But first season really good Really really good How did the russian camp get conan sword as uh, mathew mattson for a dollar 99? Well, maybe they went to a collectibles collectible store But they had those that that armory For the demogorgon So maybe they had a sword laying around. Yeah, and it was supposed to look like conan's. I'm fine with that I got no problem Should mathew von make a superman film separate of the uh, zaks knighter says xls for two dollars Well, I wouldn't throw away any of zaks knighter stuff.   I thought it was great loved it. It was awesome. I recommend it Yeah, I'm that I'm definitely gonna watch in the future And I wasn't a fan of metal until a few years ago when I found a fun metal bands like wind rose storm seeker and uh mana war Or no, sorry nano war of steel. I thought you were talking. Uh, this is thomas right for five dollars. Hey, however you get there You get there. That's funny. I had like the most normal introduction to metal ever I was like here is mega death iron maiden metallica Just listen to him. I was like this is really neat and then I started to listen to like more obscure branching off sub genres, you know Yeah um, I got into it because like the minute well, I just like really aggressive Freakin energetic music.     That was the sequel to westworld, right? I love the world future world was this. I'm pretty sure future world was it I could be getting it wrong But what what what happened in that movie was they replaced all the politicians and rich people with robots Uh except it's robots replacing all the politicians and rich people with robots, but you're keeping one alive To like tap in so they can still get the memories and make it uh give it that um Fidelity that they were looking at for in season two when uh delos the owner of the park Was dying and he wanted to transfer his consciousness into a robot. That was the whole point, right? The whole point was immortality And it's supposed to be like a big what I thought westworld would be would be like You know a little bit of criticism of big tech in their data collection, but more consciousness What is what is conscious? Let's let's study that.  Yes Yeah, no Jonathan Nolan did like the dumbest thing possible somebody guessed something on reddit So they changed a complete plot Aspect one of the stupidest decisions you could make as a writer just because somebody a fan guess is where you're going with it That's not a bad thing. That's okay.  Thanks for being into our stuff so much that you guessed it We're still going to do that You know It's called being confident in your work, man.  Yeah Like reddit fucks anyway.  Yes um john witch boy for ten dollars says i haven't seen Stranger things even season season four i can speak But do you get the feeling that they will be introducing more dnd? lore beyond the demogorgon Vecna and the mind flayer um I doubt it. Um, they've only ever really played with the dnd stuff Very thinly and vaguely. In fact, do you remember the scene?  Like why are you guys like and then dustin explains like oh, it's like a an analogy to help us understand or Meta forward of it to to help us Uh understand the the creature itself and then hopper is like well, how do you beat it?  None of those things are actually Accurate names for what we're getting. It's just a really cool way of like how would the kids name them But at the same time, it would be nice. Maybe if they could incorporate dnd a bit more But um in the same way that eddie is like a more hollywood-ified version of like a metal head I think this their approach with dnd as well It's like they're never going to get into the actual like weeds of how dnd actually goes Um, I don't know about you guys like how they're going to defeat the mind flayer with max. She's mindless. I they might um They might because that's that's the way I would do it I would want to try and find out how the mechanics work in dnd and then see if they can we can inspire some story beats with that I'm not very good on my dnd names, but he mentions more. He's like will they will they bring in strawd orcas as modius And maybe a succubus I'm down with the succubus. Let's do it Let's do it.  I wish they would just go all balls out like that would be fun That would be fun like Straight up balls out bring in some more boss bad guys Uh, yeah, man, uh, if we could have redone the whole show I would probably have done that make a whole like You know instead of ranks and different creatures and life in the upside down From the get go because it seemed to me the back in the day They were like we have in season one. They were like we have the upside down spooky place. Okay. What else do you have? It's like demogorgon kind of this spooky monster. You know, all right. What else you got? It's like, um Like creepy tentacle things sometimes here and there Oh, what what else and they're like that's about it for now Demo dogs. Uh, oh, yeah that that was inspired wasn't it?  Okay, I mean if you want to lean into the horror stuff from the 80s that that's a lot of that stuff Go John Carpenter if you want Okay, so I think Season five spoiler ending 11 killed by Vecna, but will and mike retaliate by kissing and pride ring Destroying Vecna's is John Kennedy for five Vector is blasted by the rainbow flag and he uh, yes, he's defeated by By Oh, if it was run by disney, well if it was run by netflix, but this might be a new netflix.  Yeah I got reminded yesterday that there's going to be a season three. They're filming it now And it's like, oh, I'm great. Henry cow will be guest starring in the witcher again. That's awesome We Off topic, but please check out star warped of a 2002 Claimation parody of star wars and star trek.  Watch the trailer if nothing I will Eraser 279. 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One of the hugest stories going Um, yeah, I hear I hear a lot of praise for it Steve getting shat on in season two was what made me check out I still remember always felt like jonathan was a self-insert for the duffers and steve and effigy slash avatar of some c