What's up gamers? In this video, I'm going to be showing you one of the most powerful OP Pats in the game to get Link looking like this. Yes, he's wearing the Champion's Leather. He has the Hylian Shield. He's even got some white Lionel items on him. This is going to be one of the first of many optimal Pats that people come up with for getting really OP items from the start. Now, this is literally going to take place after you have access to the Paraglider, which means you can look at my map and tell that, look at this, there is nothing revealed on this map just so you know that this is a complete fresh game. Now, we're going to have to do a little bit of prep work. So all we have to do is launch in that tower. So before we do that, we're going to need a few things here. Now, the best place to go to get all these things, you're not going to believe this. It's literally just outside of here. That's all you got to do. Head outside here and this is where we're going to have our stuff.  There are arrows everywhere in the game.  That's one thing you got to do as you're progressing through the game. Now, this grass over here is going to drop something we need. We're going to go ahead and just cut the grass.  Now we're going to be collecting about nine of these Restless Crickets here. So we're going to need three to make an elixir of something. So we're going to collect nine. So I'm just going to go ahead, chop up the grass and we will jump ahead to when I finish collecting all these crickets. Okay, that's nine crickets. Now, the next thing we're going to need are some bocoblin horns. But while we're here, we actually need some fire fruits. If you don't have this in the inventory, this tree has exactly three and three is all we're going to need for what we're doing. I believe there is a bocoblin camp right there. It is right there. We're going to go ahead and we just need three bocoblin horns. So let's run over to this camp real fast. That is not a great place to shoot, sir. These guys should be a little bit quick to take out. Should it be too complicated? Okay, let's not die here. This guy should, there's our bocoblin horn. There we go. There's another bocoblin horn. And there is another one. Okay, bocoblin horns all done. Okay, now we're going to head back to lookout landing. Once you are back in lookout landing, make sure to quickly head down here to this underground shelter over here. And if you haven't opened this up, just talk to this guy and it shall open up for you. Now once you head down here, you're going to find the cooking pot, which is right over here with the guy sitting down by the cooking pot. That's exactly where it is. Open up your plus, and then what we're going to be doing is we're going to be grabbing ourselves one of these and three crickets. One, two, three, and then you're going to cook it. Press X to skip so we can go a little bit faster. So we're going to want to go ahead and just make all these real fast. So grab another one. Now the reason why we're making these elixirs is so that we can actually be able to reach Hyrule Castle. That's the point here. And when you fly, you want to have stamina afford. Now, well, that's a good one. We got extra on this one. Now you don't have to really necessarily use all of them to get there. You probably just need one extra one, but the other ones are there just in case for some reason, if you fall in the water and you got to swim and you have a little extra stamina, you can pop that anytime. Now once you're done with that, you have extra food, maybe prepared with you.  I think that's it. We can head over right there and the pathway begins. And the cutscene is my first time doing this. So here we go. Also, I don't know if this is a myth or not, but it feels like every time you launch at a lookout tower on the first time, it feels like you just fly much more higher. I don't know if it's just me. So we're going to skip this cutscene and as soon as we're in the air, we're going to hit Paraglide ASAP. Okay, surface map is updated. The sky map is updated and as soon as this screen turns off, you're going to be able to fly. So smash X so you can immediately Paraglide right from the start and we're heading to the castle. All right, there we go. Okay, so now we're going to just head over here and you're not going to pop your stamina until you need to. Now don't forget, if you need to pop a stamina, you're going to simply hit the plus menu R and then you're going to press one of these. Okay, so you get it to the red so you don't have to waste it fully and you can actually consume your stamina. Now also, while we're in the air flying here, I want you to mark up the following spots. So we're going to open up this real quick. Make sure you pan towards the bottom if it's pan towards the top. And what you can do is you're going to put a pin on the castle here, something like this. So we're going to have right over here. We're going to put a blue over there. We're also going to put a green over here. There we go. Looks like we got some stuff settled pretty well. And then we're going to put the next one, which is yellow. So your red marker is going to be where we're landing. And then we'll talk about the other markers once we get there. So continue heading down. You can dive if you want to preserve a little bit of stamina. Okay, now my stamina is red and I'm going to pop my next stamina right here. There we go. And continue your journey. And don't worry, there's nothing that you're going to fight when we land. So you're safe there. All right, Hyrule Castle, the moment we arrive here. Now that you got to the castle early, you should hit that subscribe button so that Link can defeat all these enemies and eventually beat Gendorf. All right, now once you arrive here, we're heading towards our first mark, we're going to just head straight. The music does change. It gets a little bit spooky in here. Breath of the Wild boss is not here. You don't have to fight anyone in this area. Okay, cool. So once you're here, you're going to head straight up here. So take any of these steps up to the right or left. Now we don't have to waste any arrows here. So what you can do is you can hit R1, basically like you're going to throw your weapon. Go ahead, select the item by tapping the up button you want. And I'm selecting fire fruits. And you're going to like some fire. There we go. Looks like I have a stick already. So I can just pick that up. And we're going to get this one on fire too. Always preserve arrows. I first never preserved arrows here. And I ran out when I needed them. This opens up with the classic sound from all those auto games when you find something. You're going to pop this bad boy open. And there you go. You got your champion's leather. So that is part one of what we need to do. Boom. Link looking good and looking fresh. Okay. Now from here, we're going to just pick up a few weapons that are already in this castle. And it's right over here next to us. So if you go up here, we're going to find ourselves a nice shield, the royal guard shield. Pick that up for now just because it's better than most of the stuff we have. This is a royal guard sword. So let me drop a weapon like this stick. I don't need the stick. There you go. Royal guard sword. We got that. And we're going to go up here. And you will see another weapon here. So let's just make room for this. If you don't need this, we're going to go grab this. The royal guard spear. So we got that. Next, we're going to go to this spot to the right staircase up here, turn around and then just jump right here. And you're going to pick up some more arrows to help you. That's 10 arrows. And right over the statue is a royal guards bill. But make sure you have enough room. So let me just go ahead and drop. These things are 50. Now that we're done, we're going to just make sure you guys can see exactly where we are. So that is the throne or dropping down right over here. Now, if you open up your map while hitting the minus button, you're going to see that it looks like we're inside and there's multiple floors here. Don't worry, just hit the X button and boom, we get another better view at this. And we're going to be heading towards our blue marker next. That is the next one on our list. So let's go to our blue marker so we can just walk straight out the same entrance we came in. You see that right below us over here? We're just going to drop down like this. Boom. And then we're going to drop again. And we are now in Princess Zelda's room, just like that. And we're going to open this chest. And the royal guards cap is here. So now we have a hat with plus four armor. We got plus five and plus two with the legs. But we're going to also upgrade those legs. So don't worry. While we're here, there's also more arrows here. Grab those and then go ahead and grab this other royal guards. Well, so now we got two bows that do 50 damage. That's looking pretty good. There is also a another weapon here if you want to grab this. This is the royal guards claymore. It does 32 damage. So I'm going to go ahead and drop another item for that. Probably this thing over here. There we go. Looking good. We're looking good on weapons. Now that we're here, you can go ahead and ascend to the top. So you cleared all this room. We got some goodies already. We got some good, spicy goodies. Okay. So now as you can look at our map, we're pretty much done with this marker, right? We're done with this spot. Next thing we're going to be doing is heading towards this green marker. Just follow along. Don't worry. So we're just going to power glide from here. Drop down here. Now these guys are all here. They look terrifying. Just run through them. Do some zigzags. Don't worry. You should be fine. They're not going to hit you as long as you just, you know, do a little zigzags, do a little movements. I did not get hit. There we go. We are safe and sound. Okay. The next thing you want to do over here is we're going to climb up and tap that shrine. That way we have a fast travel. Anytime you guys want to come back to the castle and we don't have to do a flight to come here. So go ahead. Just run up to it. Tap that. We're going to hit skip here. And that's it. Now we can travel to this point anytime because we are going to need that. Next up, we're going to come here and you're going to drop down, turn around into this and go down into B3 of Hyrule Castle. Now the reason I'm making us pick up some armor is so that our defense can be just higher than what it's supposed to normally be at. So here we are. We're going to drop down ASAP. We'll just drop down right away, open up your Ultra Hand, hold that door out and you're going to pop open this chest right here.  So there we go. Link is looking a little more dapper, a little more stronger, got a better equipment on. And from here you can explore if you choose to, but for the sake of the video, let's grab this too while we're here. There, now Royal Broad Sword. Drop that axe, grab that thing. If you choose to explore, you can grab more weapons or items while you're here, but we no longer need to be here anymore. So I'm going to pretty much get us out of here. Exit back up the way you came. Oh, there's also a weapon here. Go ahead and grab this too. Okay, we're going up the steps, make a left, keep going up the steps. All right, so while we're here, I'm going to make sure hit X again. And the only marker now that matters is the yellow marker. So prepare to head to the yellow marker with me. If you want, you could fight these guys and grab their horns. They're pretty good. We're going to add them on weapons, but we're going to encounter a few more later on. But if you want to, feel free to do that while you're there. But there's just too many. I wouldn't do it, especially if you're new at the game. So far we've seen no big fights. They're doing pretty okay here, right? No enemy contact yet. So now we're down here, right down. Oh, there you go. So you basically just have to go all the way down here, right behind this area. And once you're here, we are going to look and see this in the water. You want to grab that fish real quick. So let's go grab that fish. That's a hardy salmon. It'll get your hearts all the way up. Now, pay attention here. This is very important because this is a panic moment for a lot of people. Now, when you're climbing up these steps here, you're going to see something very scary. It is freaky. There it is. That thing will murder you. So as soon as you see it, head off and head down here. I'm hanging on the ledge here. The music is creepy. I've already got goosebumps hearing this thing. Okay. And it just died because some of it fell down. So go back up because it's dead and go ahead and pick these up too while you're here. Now, these things are going to be made into potions or elixirs that pretty much resist gloom. Very good. Very good. It helps a lot. So we're going to go ahead, pass this, jump up, and continue to follow this path. Okay. That's gloom. If you stay on it long, your heart actually disappears. You don't want that. All right. Now that we're up here, it's looking pretty nice. All you got to do is once again, light something on fire. So I'm not going to waste an arrow here. So I'm just going to throw a firefruit. And that's the third firefruit you need. That's going to open up a chest over here. And I'm going to make room by dropping my lowest shield for something really spicy. The Hylian Shield, ladies and gentlemen, 90 defense already at the start of your game. We got this. And you're looking pretty good. You got some gear. You got your Hylian Shield. But we're going to continue on to something more powerful, the White Lionel that actually exists at the bottom of Hyrule Castle. Now, if you don't want to see the bottom of Hyrule Castle, I totally understand. There's no cutscenes that trigger during this. It's just, you can fall down there. It's very big, but this is optimal, I guess. And if you want to break barrels, grab some arrows and stuff like that. But anyway, here's what I'm going to do. I'm just going to head down and you can drop. Just make sure you don't hit the floor.  There we go. And we are at the bottom at Gloom's approach. Okay, so then we're going to just find the enemies. And when we see enemies here, you know you're going in the right direction. There we go. The depths. So we have touched the underground here. All right. So if you see these guys over here on the wall, that means you're doing a great job. You're going to run into it. So pretty much head down this way. And it's getting a little more creepier. The music, don't let the music get to you. And what we're going to do is we're just going to drop very slowly, power glide into another hole over here. There you go. And then drop down. And then we're going to climb up here. Okay. Climb up. And then one's going to drop over here. You're going to knock them out. All right. The second one's going to drop. Oh, did he not drop? There he is. There he is. You're going to knock him down. Okay. Next up on the list, then we're going to take our bow. You can take a more powerful bow if you want, or attack all these five of them, however you want. I had some rubies that I had from just walking around. So I'm going to use these to do some damage to these guys. If you get hit, don't worry. You're not dead yet. If you have enough arrows, you should be able to nuke these guys here. I'm doing this live, guys. Not pre-recorded here, because this is the most important part of this. If you're confident enough, go ahead and you can go fight them and do whatever you need. The music has stopped. Pretty good. I know there's people screaming that we just wasted rubies. I understand your pain. Go ahead and pick up the loot here. These black, horrible horns actually give you like 22 fuse power, which is going to be huge, absolutely huge for our fights. Coming up. There we go, because obviously we did talk about Linos at the start of this video. So quickly just grab this. Okay, bada-bing bada-boom. Don't want to get anything. So play around with whatever weapons you think you want to get here. Grab some arrows that you may have dropped.  Oh, wow. Did my Royal Guard Sword actually go low? That's unfortunate. Okay. Don't use your Royal Guard Sword. Use other swords. What I'm going to do now is I'm going to take out my best items. So I'm going to throw these guys out here too. It's going to be a little session here, guys. And then I'm going to take sword buys. So I'm going to hit Y by fuse power. I'm going to hold all my best stuff here. One, two, three. So I got that. And then I guess this is the best ones I have for now. A blue, horrible horn. I have three black ones and I have a diamond that I got from mining. So that's like 25, 22. That's 11. That's not too crazy. Oh, we have all four. Okay, great. So then what are you going to do is you're going to drop them. Okay. And basic thing here to do pretty much is go ahead and feel free to fuse it to your weapons. You're probably going to want to save this exact sword, the Royal Guard Sword, for the fight.  That is going to be 44 damage on that one. So that's pretty good. Here is our Claymore. Just do all the fusing here that you need. The diamond takes a bit to break. So you get some good damage off of this. So I'm going to fuse this over here. And basically the goal is just fuse weapons with these horrible in horns because it's going to help the fight so much. There we go. Okay, now once you fuse all your weapons, I got these three cooking pots here because we're going to be cooking up some goodies. These are from the Sky Island. So these are going to be thrown out via your Zonai devices. And the first thing I'm making is going to be a hearty salmon. So I'm going to hold that, chuck that guy in here. And that's going to be giving me eight hearts in total once I get rid of this gloom stuff. Now the next thing that you could cook if you want to cook is some gloom resistance stuff. There we go. Put that in there. There we go. Three minutes and 30 of gloom resistance and boom, boom. Throw that in there. Maybe throw some chicken. Do we got some chicken in here? I don't have chicken. Okay. Throw some apples in there. Let's see what we get. This one's 11 minutes and 30 seconds. That was fire. I'm going to remember this recipe. The warding meat skewer. So that's going to protect you a bit from gloom resistance. That's going to be pretty big. Gloom resistance is going to help during this fight. Now, once you're done with all that, you're not really out of here yet. You got to climb up this thing, which is where you initially ran up on these guys.  But go ahead and climb up here. And you just want to want to kill these bats. There we go. There's like two more down here and they're going to be very annoying and you don't want to die after all that hard work you just did.  Also, feel free to save at this point too. I would drop a hard save just so you have your goodies. I'm just going to drop down and kill these guys. Collect your eyeballs. Collect the loot. There you go. These eyeballs are also nice because they're like homing arrows. So they work very nicely. All right.  We're going to look a little forward here.  He's right there. A corrupted Lionel. Not an easy one. And once you see him, don't worry about it. You're just going to leave real quick because the auto save will put you before the monsters for some reason. I don't know why. Even when I hard save, it acts a little weird. So get back to your shrine. All right. Once you arrive back at the shrine, you're going to notice that gloom heart just got fixed. So it's now gone because we're no longer underground.  Don't touch any of the foods, the three foods we just made, but just eat something, get your heart back up. All right. You're now ready to go. And now we're going to go right back to the underground. We just had to come up here to fix our hearts. If anything happened and also come to that shrine to save as a checkpoint. Just in case. So now you have an auto save pretty much up there, most likely. Now you're just going to do the same thing all over again. Drop down once again. Oh, I didn't even notice this here. There's a light round here. But let me just go ahead and activate that real quick. Okay. Might as well tap this. By the way, this is literally under the shrine you just saved at. So it's pretty cool. And the names are backwards. If you didn't know. Cool. I didn't even know this was here. This is my first time realizing there's a light root down here. All right. It's very easy to get distracted in this game. Even when I'm making this video, I'm getting easily distracted. All right.  So look where the enemies are pretty much. There they are. It's on the wall. This is where you're going to drop. But this time now there's no enemies here. And so if your Lionel fight doesn't go so hot, you can literally reload at a point where there's no other monsters in the game. Very important, by the way, to do that. We're going to put on a good weapon. What is this one? This is the Diamond Reaper. Okay. My good bow is equipped. I got 33 arrows. We're looking good. And I'm going to just hard save again just for the heck of it. Okay. So now right before the fight, before you drop down, you're going to go ahead and pop your food.  So you have yellow hearts. Those yellow hearts will save you from taking one hit at least. And this is our gloom resistance so that we don't die or lose hearts by standing on something you have a little bit of a longer time. So we're going to eat that. And there's our gloom resistance. So when you jump, first thing you do, he's going to notice you.   That's the reason why we cannot jump on his back and why we have to burn weapons to fight him. This is a charge attack, which you can parry by hitting A and facing him. This is the cleave attack, which he'll run into you and try to do. You can parry that as well. That's one. You'll do a second one like this or three. He's just a side swing. You can parry that one as well. As long as you keep your shield up, you should be able to dodge and parry them or you should be able to withstand half these attacks because this shield is just really good. And then when he hits you, you get major damage and you can't recover your hearts. When you see him scream and you see all the effects around him, he's going to explode. Make sure to run the heck away from him because it is going to be a nasty explosion. So just get really far back after he blows up. He's going to be open for another arrow shot to the face. You're going to have to pay attention for when he runs away from you and begins a flame attack. He's going to shoot three fireballs at you. You have the option to run away from them and dodge them or you can face them on with your shield and parry them as each one comes.  So he does one, two and a side swing for three. So if you fail to parry any of those three, he's going to run away from you. If you parry any of them during that time, he just will go into another loop and keep attacking you. So you want to keep making sure that you're able to hit him on those open moments when he's parried. So make sure you are pressing the ZR button to pull up your arrow as fast as you can during those moments where he is vulnerable. You pretty much rinse and repeat that this entire fight. Make sure to switch out weapons when they break or your bows when they break. And you should be able to easily conquer and destroy this Lionel, collecting all of its goods. And you'll now kill the White Lionel, making you very powerful because it's one of the harder Lionels in the game. Boom! That's me! Yeah, so you can pretty much think about. So the White Maid Sablehorn, we got a Lionel Hoove, large crystallized charge looking good, White Maid Lionel Mazehorn, Savage Lionel Bow. Oh my God, this stuff is crazy. Savage Lionel Shield. All right, so obviously we're going to drop another one. So not only do we just get those, but we got some, got some pretty, pretty good upgrades down here.  I got you the Royal Guard boots and I got you the Royal Guard cap. We're going to get the top. I don't want you guys to not have the set. So just go straight here. When you open the castle doors, straight from lookout landing, go all the way up, follow this pathway, follow this pathway all the way up. As soon as you arrive at this gate, make a right, go inside of it, use Ultra Hand, open that up, open up the second one, go up these steps, turn left, and then you're going to go down. And when you walk in this room, the item we're going for is right over there. So make your way to that item. There's a Black Bull Coblin in here, head over here, you can ascend if you didn't make it to the top. Okay, once you're up here, let's go ahead and jump. Quickly open that up. And you will now have the complete set for the Royal Guard uniform. There we go. I didn't leave you guys hanging. You got a full armor set. And just like that, you can now start your Tears of the Kingdom playthrough with some OP stuff with your shield. Oh my gosh, look how dope that is with your bow. It looks amazing. It's just, he looks great. And just like that, your Link now looks insanely great and OP at the same time. And there's a lot more items and a lot of cool stuff to do in this game than I'll be making videos on them. So if you enjoyed this video, make sure to hit that like button, subscribe for more Tears of the Kingdom content. Oh, it's going to be amazing out here. And Link is going to conquer everything now from this point.  See you in the next video.


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Good morning and welcome to Moments with Melinda. My guest today is Gene Proknow. Hey Gene, how you doing? Excellent Melinda, thank you very much. I'm looking forward to speaking with you today. Well I can't wait to hear all about you and your new book.  Gene was a former management consultant with one of the largest global consulting firms. He established a second career as a writer and a historian of the American Revolution. Since 2013, Gene has authored 20 scholarly articles for the prestigious peer-reviewed journal of the American Revolution. For seven consecutive years running, at least one of Gene's essays has been selected for the print edition of the annual volume of the journal of the American Revolution. Gene hosts and curates a website helping casual and professional researchers locate diaries and memoirs and other revolutionary war sources and that website is www.researchingtheamericanrevolution.com all spelled out. Is that about right Gene? Does that sort of cover? Well thank you. That's a very gracious introduction, Melinda. But I also want to add that you do live in Washington DC with your wife and your two sons. So share with my viewers, Gene, a little bit about your life growing up and your childhood. Well I was a son of a corporate vagabond so my father traveled all over the country for his work and he moved all over the country to the work. So I was born in the Midwest, lived several places of the Midwest and then moved to the South. At one time I had a thick southern accent, I believe it or not. And then I moved up to the Northeast and lived in the New York City area and from there we actually kind of fell in love with Vermont. So I never really lived in Vermont but I spent a lot of time in Vermont skiing on vacations and just roaming around the state. So kind of all over the place. So I don't really have a place I consider necessarily my home but my home is with my family. And you come to Vermont quite often. Tell us a little bit about what inspired your love of history and especially the Revolutionary War period. You know I actually come from a pretty historical family. My two sons have history degrees and so I feel like I'm kind of catching up to them and you learn from your children when I certainly did. But I lived for a time in Boston and if you live in Boston you can hardly help but know about history and get immersed in history and that's where I first really got interested in the American Revolution. And I'm actually most interested in the the battles are interesting but most interested in the kind of the social aspects of the Revolution and the people and what it was like to live there because I think we often neglect that. And so that's really what got me interested into the delve behind the battles to find out what was it really like to live back then. And you went from a sort of a corporate job where you just sort of left that and dove into being a very notable historian.  Well a couple of things. One is as my my day job as you mentioned I spent 38 years as a business advisor helping companies. I work for profit nonprofit organizations public organizations. I work for states local hospitals and the federal government. But I help them with business problems and organizational problems. And what I really like is analyzing kind of what's happened why things happen. And that's really the core of a historian. You want to find out why things happen. And history always has some relevance. You want to make it you know it's you don't write history just to recite the facts because everybody knows the facts. You write history to make it relevant to today. And that's kind of what a a a business advisor or consultant does is make things relevant and how do you analyze something to make it better. And so that's what that's why I got interested in history. That's what got you into it now. But but you're you're also a beautiful writer. Yeah. Talk about that a little bit. Well you know it's writing to me is it's starting to be a little bit of a lost art. You know when I really enjoy it because it's it causes you to sharpen your thinking. You can get on and talk and talk and talk. And the the precision of that and the analytical of excellence of that is can be suspect. But when you write on paper it really you really have to support your facts. You really have to be able to document why you think something. It really sharpens your thinking. I believe that writing is a wonderful way to really understand what happened because you have to go you know step by step by step to to lay out why something happened. And it's it's it's actually a very powerful medium from that perspective. So it is it's it's hard. You know when I first started I wasn't very good at it but I got better and better. And it's it's been fun and I hope to even get better in the future. Well your research is phenomenal. So do you have anybody in your life who inspired you to do the work that you're doing to do any any particular either you know person from from the past or person in your life who inspired you to get into this work as a writer?  She's really good as a as a sounding board and advisor and sometimes she says you know that wasn't very good. Which is great and that's what you want as as a as a writer. It is definitely what is definitely what you want. You know I had a roommate in college that was a tremendous scholar and I learned a lot from him. He's a professor at the University of Colorado and I learned a lot from from him. And I have several friends that were that are have had second careers and and that kind of gave me the the the beacon the light to be able to move on to something different.  Well here here well I'm sure you and Mary you're well hats off to Mary for being your muse and for being the the power you know the person the power behind the man. So let's talk let's talk about your recent book William Hunter. Finding Free Speech. Now Will let me tell my viewers that William Hunter was a British soldier son who became an early influential American. Now you write in your book that William's life story is a remarkable example of embracing adventure overcoming challenges and taking prudent risks. He cleaned valuable life lessons from his varied non-traditional background. Now everyone might not get to grow up on two continents to reside in three national capitals and to learn multiple languages but William Hunter's experiences in adapting to and thriving in numerous cultures are a potent reminder and this is from your you actually wrote this a potent reminder that these skills are critical to succeeding in the increasingly tight knit 21st global community. So tell us a little bit about why you wrote this book about William Hunter and tell us. Okay well I love I love talking about the origin story of this book because it in a word it's just serendipity. I was invited my wife and I were invited to a dinner party in our neighborhood in Washington and as you know you go to a dinner party they never see you next to your wife right so you sit next to someone you don't know right and so I sat next to a very nice woman and you know as things go you ask what do you do and I said I was an historian of the American Revolution and she said we have a diary in our family possession we don't know much about it but I think it's about the American Revolution would you like to co look at that diary and boy I jumped at that chance and when I found was unbelievable document it's a one-of-a-kind it's written by a child of a British soldier during the American Revolution it's written in beautiful 18th century handwriting just gorgeous 18th century handwriting and it talks about the basically the first 25 years of this of this boy's life but the unique thing about it Melinda that was there was no name in the diary and so I had to figure out who was the author and I had to authenticate the diary because you don't know I mean you know fakes happen all the time so I had to authenticate the diary and find out who it was and so that was really got me started with this book because it was an intriguing it was an intriguing problem to solve which I ended up doing and I ended up establishing that the that the author was a William Hunter he he was actually born in the United States he was born in New Brunswick his father was a member of the 26th regiment of foot a sergeant in that British regiment his mother came over with a father in 1768 so before the war and he William was born while they were stationed in as a garrison in New Brunswick New Jersey and so he was here before the war so in many ways he was a British subject like most everybody was in the colonies but he was born American but his father was fought in the war against the Americans and so that really intrigued me fascinating um now did William now William Hunter lived a long 86 years from the war of independence to the American Civil War most people didn't live that long um and and so tell us a little bit about his long life um and I also want to ask you to have I'm sure this woman who you spoke to was thrilled that this book came out of that serendipitous dinner party that you had where you receded it next to this woman I mean that kind of stuff is really rare and it's so exciting when it happens that way tell us a little bit about a little bit more about William Hunter okay well I'll start with your second question then I'll fill in the story of William the family was it's really excited because I was able to put together a genealogy between William Hunter and and the family today and the family today is a very large family there's you know maybe 50 people that have some kind of interest in this family so it's a very large you know it's to kind of spread out so this William Hunter you know like it's like every other early colonialists the United States the family you know grows and so they're they're very excited and we uncovered some things about the family that they didn't know a lot of things they didn't know about the family and even some of William Hunter's descendants descendants have some unique interests which aren't in the book but the family really enjoyed so it was it's been a the family has really been wonderful to work with and I can't say no good things about that William Hunter's story is during the revolution his father was stationed in Montreal and when the Americans invaded Canada his father was stationed at Fort St John just north of the Vermont border and during that battle Richard Montgomery captured the fort and and William's father John Hunter was egregiously wounded just scalded it just a horrible wound he was near a keg of gunpowder so uh wearing all the British soldiers and their families basically there were 263 women and children with these soldiers so more more more family members than there were soldiers if you can believe that went into captivity and they were sent to Lancaster, Pennsylvania but William's father was too ill to to travel so they spent the winter in Fort Chambley here the masonry fort that the just a little further north of the Vermont border but then when his father got better they went to the Lancaster his father then fought in several more battles because it was exchanged they spent a year in captivity was exchanged fought in several more battles and then it's how they got what they called back then worn out which means that you you know you to be a soldier back then you have to be able to march 30 miles a day and you know and carry a 90 pound pack and fight battles and build build log structures and all he just lost that ability so he was sent back to Britain on a ship and a big convoy and then believe it or not a big storm came up blew the convoy apart and as William's ship approached the English Channel a French privateer captured him and so they spent another year in a prisoner war camp in in La Havre France in Brittany and so then again his father was exchanged and then William traveled to London he then he went to hold the all several other places where his father was moved around in a recruiting mission to recruit soldiers to come to the United States and then it came time for William to strike out on his own and his father wanted him to become a soldier his mother said no no more soldiers this is a heart too harsh of a life so he became a printer he printed himself as a printer and back then England had a real a lot of disruption between religious factions and the french revolution a lot of issues with free speech and so William became a disciple of a follower of Joseph Priestley you know the guy that invented or discovered oxygen and did the you know club soda but and when he became oppressed William says I want to find free speech so he moved to the United States and so it's kind of interesting he kind of came back to America but he was a British soldier a son of a British soldier and in the United States USA was an immigrant he received a lot of of discrimination because of his background so which we wouldn't think today of any English person being discriminated in the United States but he was back then of course yeah I would think so back then that that might happen so I'm talking to Gene Proknow about his new novel his new book William Hunter finding free speech um a British soldier's son who became an early American so Gene um there are no paintings or physical descriptions of William Hunter he was as you say an ardent 19th century American in every sense can you explain that well you know and it's um and I really had to get people's mind to go back into the 19th century and not in our 21st century perspective um because he he he was he fought for free speech he was a he was a follower a supporter of Thomas Jefferson um Andrew Jackson and he helped Andrew Jackson get elected president and served Andrew Jackson presidency um he he was a business person uh he uh built businesses he went out business uh with the various panics and and depressions that happened but recessions that happened back then um but he also had social views which reflect that the society of that time um he published very very stridently anti slavery editorials in his paper you know while at the same time employing slave people in his businesses so he had these conundrums back then so it's you know you if you look at one part of it and say boy this guy was a really an early abolitionist then you look at him as being a slave owner and so you know this judgmental thing is hard you can't really do you have to put it in the context of their of their time it was the people were wrestling with this and I think he was wrestling with this how do you deal with this how do you end this this horrible institution but if you're going to operate a business back then you almost had no choice because your competitor competitors were slave owners used slaves so if you're going to compete that's the only way you can compete he he operated businesses um after he got rid of his newspapers uh to wear hemp businesses which is a godawful smelly dirty business not like today but it is a horrible business they made rope they made bagging to help the cotton in it and um employed uh sometimes up to 50 enslaved people in those in those in those businesses but at the same time wrote anti-slavery um uh editorials in his paper it's so interesting you also had little regard for Native Americans as well and and that I mean that was seemed to be a common theme with the with during that time it was horrible yeah he moved to Kentucky pretty much after the Indian wars had just finished within a year or two of the Indian wars of finishing there um and they really had basically nothing good to say about Native Americans it was it was really it was really kind of a a genocide it was a genocidal type view here that that they they wanted to either kill them or push them west and that's what is that what they did and it was really a land grab you know they you know William Hunter didn't speculate in land but most of his compatriots speculated land they bought and sold land that was the biggest the biggest advertiser in his paper was um uh was was land sales and land speculators so that's really what funded the newspaper in his um uh advertisements that's what made him his money so you have a section in your book on chapter 22 where you say where it's why is William Hunter's life relevant today so can you share with my viewers why and what would he say about these times in the 21st century global community and do you see some similarities from that period to our American political scene today well that's a I appreciate you bringing that up because one of the things that we always think about American history we call it American history and it really isn't American history it is really a global we're part of a global history I mean he he he competed uh his business is competed with manufacturers all over the world his newspapers while you read those newspapers there's no local news in those newspapers it's all international news these people knew what was going around the world it was a global community just like it is today we're a global community and they would they'd actually send ships down the Kentucky River to the Ohio River to the to the Mississippi River over to Europe and back that trade route so it was a global economy just like it is today um the other thing that that to me that it's important is that um immigration is hugely important to us today and this is a story of an immigrant doing well and and this is a story of an immigrant making a making a huge contribution he was a community leader he established schools for both men and women which was very unique back then he he established dams and buildings and and roads and he worked on commissions to do all those kinds of things so the idea of people investing in their communities is a is something in helping our the communities grow and develop that's a that's something that resonates really well today um and I also think the he was in the newspaper business and if you think the newspapers are biased today they were really biased back then he was he he supported Jefferson Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson and he was against the federalists like John Quincy Adams um and John Marshall and you cannot be go down the middle just like today you have one on one side one on the other side it was even worse I think back then um so so so William Hunter you say finding free speech was that through his his um his newspaper work his newspaper yes um yeah and and to me that's yeah I'm sorry that's really one of the fascinating parts of his story you know he came the United States because he didn't think he could get free speech he was being discriminated against in Britain he could not say what he wanted to say in Britain he wanted a republic former government Britain had at that time a constitutional monarchy um and um and so he he came the United States for that um and then when he gets here in 1798 just after he he um emigrated to the United States uh John Adams passes the Alien and Sedition Acts which is probably one of the most egregious um interferences with free speech we've ever had in the United States it basically outlawed criticizing the government I mean we would put half of our country in jail we had that law today um because it was very egregious um and he published the block was passed and enacted in June 1798 and a couple weeks later he passed the he wrote the first editorial which opposed those acts and that editorial when he wrote it he knew he could have been prosecuted under the under the act for opposing those acts and in fact um Adams's administration several of the um people uh actually recommended to John Adams that they prosecute Hunter for those before writing that article so he was he faced he faced you know think about the courage that takes he faced the loss of his paper and loss of his livelihood going to jail and you know what that would do to his family well his life yeah his life and so I mean it's just horrible and he did that courageously now fortunately for him and this is this is another Vermont connection fortunately for him um the government decided that they couldn't get a good jury uh in in Kentucky but so they prosecuted Matthew Lyons in Vermont and because they thought they could get a jury in Vermont to convict Matthew Lyons which they did and Matthew Lyons went to jail for for under the aliens edition act and not William Hunter uh so it's it's it's it's and then actually Matthew Lyons um emigrated from Vermont to Kentucky after he got out of jail so it's it's really interesting to the interconnections here how fascinating to my viewers I'm speaking with Gene Prok now about his new book William Hunter finding free speech and I'm sure that they can find this in their local uh Phoenix bookstore any local bookstore right Gene well you have to go to your bookstore to ask for it but it's on Amazon it's uh or through Sunbury Press the my publisher which is a phenomenal publisher Sunbury Press or Amazon you can get it um it's a if you order it today you'll you can get it within two days it's an extraordinary book and I just want to say that the your bibliography and your appendix I mean it's like your it's like 40 pages I mean the research you put into this book is phenomenal so I just want to want to ask you um about William Hunter when he was seven years old that he may have met Ethan Allen in Canada after he after Ethan Allen was captured and marched through the streets of Montreal and I'm wondering what impression that must have made on young William Hunter oh yes uh yes there is a Ethan Allen connection um you know the I've really gone through the I've gone through the his diary in detail and it's amazingly how accurate it is and there are but when I found kind of two embellishments uh here um and this is one of the embellishments which is I think one of the embellishments um Ethan Allen was uh captured uh when uh when he was attempted to uh assault um Montreal the town of Montreal before the main American army he kind of went out there uh way out in the vanguard for you know and was really risky and ridiculous what he did so he was captured about five or seven miles outside of the city so I don't believe a seven year old boy would be wandering the woods five to seven miles from the from the um from the town center all by himself uh and he could see the running battle was a running battle took place over several miles so I don't really think he saw the battle but I do believe he that that Ethan Allen was paraded through the streets like a trophy uh it this is the streets of Montreal and I bet you that he saw Ethan Allen then because that's why I'd gotten the diary um so I that's what I you know so he saw Ethan um you know our uh our most famous Vermonter I guess but uh uh it's he's uh he was proud of that I mean he was I'm sure it made a big impression on young William Hunter now as a historian Jean can you share with my viewers where you see our democracy in 20 years oh boy that's a tough question you know I will uh I will say that is as much as the things uh changed they say the same I mean if I look back on William Hunter's life um you know they had if I use the word fake news they had worse fake news than we had because what they would do is within two weeks of the election they would print the most outrageous thing about their opponent because it took two weeks to debunk that because of the speed of of information flow back then so I I think that's I think that we have to continue to invest and grow our democracy just like they did back then and I believe that in back then they did look for truth and just I do believe that William Hunter tried to print the truth I don't believe I believe he was a supporter of Jefferson he was not a supporter of Adams I believe he was very fervent but I do believe that he he never got sued for libel that's one of the few most newspaper editors got sued for libel back then he never got sued his whole life for for reliable so I think he was searching the truth and I think that that to me I I think that we can see that today and so I think as we invest in our democracy and invest in going forward um I don't want to be pollyannish about this but I think our problems if we look back in the past we see our problems in the past and I think 20 years from now your question are aren't the next generation will look at our problems today and see some of their problems and I think that if we invest those problems will be solvable they will be more solvable I mean like today with the internet we know how to debunk fake news real easy you know it gets debunked real quickly in our business and I think it'll be even more debunked in the future thank you for that Jean so what's your next project oh it's fun I I I'm I have an edgy one um I I'm working on a um a revolutionary award general by name of Charles Lee and everybody today kind of believes he was a scoundrel um he was a near-dwell he was a a trader to the United States and I'm taking the contrary point of view and that's one of the fun things about history is I'm taking a contrary contrary point of view and my belief is that his start shone brighter in the first year of the revolution than George Washington George Washington had a very slow start now where he finished was a tremendous place obviously in our history but during that first year Charles Lee was a much better general much better leader and probably contributed more to our our independence than Washington so it's an edgy kind of a different story so it's it's going to be kind of fun you know the traditional thing is that they said John Adams said that Charles Lee like dogs better than people and I'm thinking man he fits in really well today our society because everybody loves dogs so you know I mean so I I think you know it's it's kind of he I think he's been misunderstood and I think there's a different perspective I'm not going to say he was better than George Washington or he should have been revered as much as George Washington or he had as much impact I'm just saying that he wasn't the scoundrel and the horrible person that the historians have made them out to be today. Well I cannot wait to read your next book and to my viewers we've had a wonderful half an hour with Gene Prok now talking about his newest book William Hunter Finding Free Speech your local bookstore ordered on Amazon and Gene thank you so much for your time today and for sharing with my viewers a little bit about your life and about your extraordinary historian career and the books you've written and sharing with us a little bit about William Hunter what a cool guy right. Yeah well thank you Melinda I really appreciate the opportunity I mean for folks who shy away from history Gene's books are like novels they're beautifully written there's there it's beautiful stories you get captivated and carried away into this time and you're a beautiful writer Gene and thank you for this wonderful half hour and to my viewers thank you for being with me


Hello and welcome to the new season of the Coaching Manual podcast hosted by me Danny Mills Today, I'm joined by former Brentford Glasgow Rangers Nottingham Forest manager Mark Warburton Mark has a background in professional football going back to his playing days in the late 70s and apprentice at Leicester City And the 80s as a semi-pro at Enfield and Boreham Wood with the highlights been an FA trophy and a conference title In this episode, we'll be talking about some of Mark's experiences both as a player and as a manager What makes his football journey quite unique? So Mark, thanks for coming on Welcome to the TCM podcast. I mean, it's really interesting for us so far I've interviewed John Greening Neil Sullivan and Without being disrespectful were were footballers turned coaches, you know, and a lot of that was about their career You've sort of gone about it a different way completely and you're the first proper coach if you like That I would say that that we've had on but if we go right back to the beginning I mean, what got you into football originally as a young kid? I was I was a young kid as we all are loving the game playing the game school Sunday teams etc. Every minute of every day, but I was lucky to be good at sports Danny So for me, it was a choice between running and football. I was very lucky that I came across Frank McClintock His son Neil was my best friend at school Frank was leaving Arsenal going to Leicester City if you're a member as a manager And I was coaching my Leicester City or train Leicester City rather from 14 15 upwards and got off of the scholarship You know apprenticeship and then accepted that so that was my route into into full-time football And from there, I mean, how difficult was it not to every kid Had those dreams obviously going to be professional playing the top level How hard is it when that didn't quite happen for you? It was difficult, but this sounds very profound for 16 17-year-old But I was working with the very famous manager jock Wallace and jock style was, you know Obviously very successful huge success in Scotland with Rangers, etc But for me, I found it quite really abrasive I didn't enjoy my football, which for me was a totally alien feeling. I'd always loved Love my sport loved everything everything about sport and for the first time in my life I found myself being put off football and thinking I want today if ever I got into the game ever going forward I would act differently and was that the environment was too fierce players were too Abrasive night the energy everything really I just found it. I don't know come across as a weak hearted So I loved the competitive side of it of all sport But I just didn't enjoy that environment that was created and as I say sounds very profound for a young guy But I thought whatever I do going forward I'm gonna work in a different environment than this and that's obviously you've taken those lessons on Into to later life in it and into your the way you coach now issue Yeah, very much so but more also a different career in the cities, you know and and even there It's about the quality of the environment that you create It has to be the environment that is conducive to people Learning and developing and that's not just football. That's whatever line of industry you're in So that was a key a very early lesson for me But one that I heated right the way through because it was while you explain you were playing semi-professional non-league football end field that you Well, not switch careers but became a currency dealer Which I suppose is a is a big shift from suddenly going from wanting to be a professional footballer So suddenly working in the market Working in the city and doing those sort of transactions. How did that come about was that? something you got through education or parents or Advice from somebody else in truth It was my mum look at an advert in the paper and it read competitive individual good with numbers that was the Very competitive and I was very fortunate to be good with numbers So it's in a natural and natural role and you have to go through it again two or three years in the bank of Getting the teas and the coffees and the sandwiches and locking up the telexies and doing all the menial jobs But learning but it was a really competitive environment and any footballer I know would love that competitive trading environment, you know big sums of money Very competitive testosterone field environment Big rewards if you did well, and if you didn't do well, you were sat I like that black and white clarity, and I really enjoyed it and I had a 20 odd years in the city with the markets getting bigger I was lucky to do quite well want to move up to the bigger banks and the bigger environments and really enjoyed that And is there a big similarity then between the two, you know working in that incredibly testosterone fueled high Pressure environment in the city obviously in banks and dealing with currency and equally in football and I've used manage now to sort of Marry the two together and bring both together and get the best out of yourself doing it that way going forward Yeah, very much so if you look at a dealing room, you know, you would sit there on a desk of 12 15 people Very competitive, and I'm assuming majority of males They were but as as you progress through the city, you know, you work in places like a IG for example a very diverse workforce talents ideas Experiences and again learn a lot from that in that environment But yeah, you're right originally early on in the in the career was very much a male dominated environment Communication was key teamwork was key long hours work ethic demanded And you had to be competitive you have to deal with adversity, you know You could work all day or work all year and lose it lose it in one hour So you had to deal with that side of it and to me that was a dressing room Walking the 12 15 guys and dressing room competitive, etc Obvious reward if you do well and if you don't do well, you pay the price accordingly So the similarities for me very very very obvious and it was a fairly easy transition to move from one mold to the other You still had a love for football while you were working in the city always always and I was very fortunate to work in Charlotte North Carolina to live and work in Chicago and travel around Asia, etc And wherever I went I would look to coach teams Whether it's an underlying goals team or a college team or a high school team just coaching Oblivious to coaching badges have no idea they even existed But just love working with young players and developing players So as I say very fortunate to do that and when I came back to the UK in early 2000 realized that actually level one two and three Existed and what you have to do. So what was the trigger for wanting to get back into full-time football and have I'll go back to I suppose where you started. I always love sport and You turn out to mean quite well You would say that 20 odd years in the city suggest you don't love sport enough But I always love sport love being outside competing coaching, etc Was it was there a moment you suddenly thought I want to go back into football. Yeah, that's what I've done Well in the city, but this is my love. This is what I want to go back to it and be successful Honestly, yes, there was a moment where I'm sitting there think I've done well done Okay for myself in the city my two young children And I really enjoyed I wanted to get do something in football But my thought process was a get myself qualified be improved my depth of knowledge I couldn't go into it without having a broader depth of knowledge and See Sam. Well, I need to be financially secure with my family. I couldn't take this sort of jump this leap of faith Have their backing without giving them the financial security. So it's getting all the Eggs in order so to speak and that came about and I just wanted to do it My son was a young boy right to go and train at Watford Money was tight at what for the time and they asked me to come and and help on a part-time basis And I found myself one day working at RBS with a huge trade coming in a huge dolly in trade coming in And I literally said hang on a second. I was in a parson drill on a bit of paper For the under 13 and that was it And I said my wife and she said I think it's time to leave and she was dead right, you know You couldn't you couldn't combine at that level. You couldn't combine both so I made the took the plunge and Spent this part of the year traveling Europe Visit the academies trying to learn more improve my knowledge all age at what worked well what didn't work well because I Wasn't comfortable going to an environment. So not full-time without that border depth of knowledge And is that the most difficult thing because obviously I'm rich. Sorry now We all know as a banker and hasn't followed the the standard path of coaching obviously has been very very successful Was that all those experience before that? Was that a hindrance or a help? Going into sort of a different Environment and the football environment especially because I know how harsh players are and and how difficult was it to get that respect from players early on there's an absolute help. That's the first question because um If you're in the city, for example, you you cold call customers you go and speak to them You get rebuffed you had to go back and why should they choose you and you have to sell yourself and the company you work for And why you would benefit them etc So in terms of the clubs I cold call clubs and I got rebuffed from the first five six seven clubs And it was a good friend that sport in lisbon who's become a good friend rather who let me come over Um and from there I ended up spending a lot of time in sport and lisbon introduced me to iax etc But to have that uh to be comfortable speaking to people To develop in relationships and to understanding that it has to be two-way and everyone must benefit That really that really helped me really helped me so I was able to take that in there and broaden that knowledge and That was very very beneficial for me Was it difficult to earn the respect of players even young players? Having not had the Sensational sort of career that we've seen some you know moving now into coaching. Is is it difficult to earn that respect? It is uh, I started in academy. So again, what players want? I'm sure you would agree They want to enjoy what they do so your sessions have to be um educational They have to be enjoyable They have to have structure to them and there has to be a clear plan in place for the for the players individually and as a team And and uh, I recognize that really early and made sure I did a lot of work to make sure that every single session was maximized In terms of earning respect when you move back towards first team players I haven't got the playing career of someone like yourself, for example So how do I counter that? Well players because I look at that and okay It's a little bit old school But someone coming in without a playing background the players would have been what does he know? You know we and we had it with sport scientists or whatever it was There's always that arrogance of players and that togetherness is like well actually If we don't really like him we can force him out on that issue. Is that difficult to overcome even with young players? So how do you earn the respect? So in terms of first team players, you know, my assistant They've made a huge respect for davie weir who has an outstanding playing career So in terms of first team players that obviously was a key question answer because davie's been done at every level But for my point of view I took the players at Brentford into the hsbc dealing I took them in there to say this is a world I come from This guy here is turning over to two and a half billion dollars a day. Not million billion dollars a day He's 28 for example, and this is the pressure. He's under and I did that for 20 years And you talked to him and suddenly realized because players are impressed not in a shallow way But they're impressed by the finance and the money and success as well and success And and you don't you've done well you competed in a completely alien world highly competitive and you've been successful So I got their attention that way And and communicating with the players putting in place bonus structures The owner at Brentford very very forward thinking very innovative And an aggressive bonus structure of the players a bit like the city if you do well We get rewarded and as a player you know that you know If every point is up for grabs every goals up for grabs and you're going to strive to be the best you can be So that that's how I got that respect and touch would it work well How did that opportunity to work at Brentford come about? Obviously you were at Watford before that? I was at Watford um in 2004 onwards. I got to a academy manager I worked with very very good people. That's a Vady Boothroyd, Malcolm Mackay, Sean Dyche Dick Bate, Keith Mincher, etc some some top people Left Watford and uh, I think Matthew made a change in the managerial front I think Andy's got left the club and I got a phone call middle of night When I come and coach the first team in the morning, I was up all night learning the players names on the internet literally But that was an opportunity and Matthew's was a privilege to work for him for the best part of five years Coach the team for six months. We were 18th in league one. I think we finished 10th I applied for the managerial job and the appointed Uwe Rosler and asked me to become Tech director, which I did for the next two years and thoroughly enjoyed that in terms of learning so much about the game and agents academy and And then when Uwe left to go to Wigan, I was offered the the job and very thankful for it Obviously Matthew, Ben and by all again, you know him far better than I do But obviously made a lot of his money by betting But he seems to be a big advocate maybe through that of statistics analysis Almost money ball to affect Do you buy into a lot of that or is that a lot of sort of smoke and mirrors when it comes to football? I learned an enormous amount from Matthew huge respect A very very smart forward thinking guy as I said But he looks at the game in a different way and as I said everything he said he can he can teach you so much about the game You know one thing Matthew always used to speak about was Never run the ball into a corner if you want it up with five to go That's the last thing you should do mathematically the stats tell you this Now 99% of every single professional player would say at five You know if you went up with five to go you won it into the corner No, and you look at it and he has the stats to back it up and everything he spoke to you about would be Supported by numbers And it is a balance. Absolutely. It's a balance. It's not all about the numbers It isn't a balance, but there's no doubt that when you have someone as astute as that You can learn so much and hopefully you can add your your experiences to the equation as well And overall you get a really strong product But were there any disagreements you had on that because we interest I spoke to Sean Daesh about that and and you know he's Very analytical and all those sort of things Maybe coming through this all similar sort of way, but actually he said sometimes It doesn't work, you know when the the wingbackers track back at he's run 70 yards And he hasn't made a tackle, but he stopped across and it doesn't show up on the stats Do you ever have to go to the owner and go? Yet, they're great, but sometimes They don't quite work because of this. No When you say money ball, I'd imagine Matthew Benham is money ball times 10 You know in the touch of the level that they work at and uh There are examples that you can highlight But in truth it's all about probability and you look at what increases the percentage of scoring goals the quality of chances that you create And the likelihood of goals, you know coming from from those chances So it's interesting you mentioned that when I spoke to Neil Sullivan, uh, and he said, you know when when they were even at Wimbledon They were very very similar and they said they were quite Advanced for their years. I said right if we get 100 crosses into the box We're gonna score 10 goals and it was simplified. So if they come off a game and said well, actually we've only put 30 crosses in we're not going to score enough goals, you know That's it I mean Matthew's team would be able to say to you that if you if Danny's got the ball when he shoots in 25 yards out The likelihood of you scoring a goal if it's gone over the stand first That aside But the likelihood of you scoring would be x percent if you then carry down and play the one two for example And you enter in the box you're now 16 yards out the likelihood is now this And it's just about the the probability of you actually scoring from all all of what has been done Possession's irrelevant. You can have 95 percent possession too relevant if you're not attacking and creating chances Um, so you learn as I say you go back to Matthew. I learned an awful lot in that period Um, and as I say we had some talented teams have talented players rather And we had a really good run and just missed out on the Premier League Which was unfortunate But a good crop of young players who benefited from a variety of experiences and not not the least obviously Matthew's input The sporting director role in England especially is is relatively new, you know, we had a few where it was X managers getting involved and then actually they wanted the managerial job with one of the head coaches role Is that changing now is is the technical director role becoming unique On its own rather than just an ex an ex manager being a friend of the owner or somebody like that I think it's getting far more fine-tuned any I think it's a crucial role for any club Obviously the high levels of championship and the Premier League especially Um, obviously because of the budget constraints at the smaller clubs But I think it's a position which can can continues to grow quite rapidly I think the responsibilities will be clarified going forward I think at the moment even the title of technical director sport and director head of football business What really is the title? What are the roles of responsibilities associated with it? What comes under your command the lines of communication, etc All of these key points are being clarified almost by the week within the various clubs I think it's a position that will assume so much significance Going forward but above all else that that position has to have an outstanding relationship with the manager If you're the technical director and I'm the manager we've got to get on And I think that's been the problem in the past, isn't it where that in the early days in England Especially the the technical director there was competition between the head coach And it was like well actually as soon as he has a bad spell I'll have the managerial role. It's about trust. It's about respect and honesty And I think any good manager any good coach will want to have clear opinion He doesn't want a yes man there but it's how you deliver that opinion And he needs to know that the technical director has always got his best interests at heart And that's really important if you're the go-between for example putting a manager on the board You know the quality of your communication the clarity of message All of these aspects the manager has to know that you've got his back all times Which would you prefer moving forward Technical director head coach I think that for me personally and probably I've been very fortunate to manage it some some big clubs Very much enjoyed it. You've had some success promotions and playoffs, etc I I just want a job personally whereby you can be successful and that sounds vague. So if I can clarify that I think it's important to have a job whereby you have some Some time To do the work. I think that's the key some longevity to a position I look at some managerial jobs now And you just so disheartened when you see people go in three four five months and under pressure after seven eight games It's ludicrous, but it's a game we work in now and we've got to try and work hard to find a solution to that But right now I just want a job personally where you have a chance to be successful And if you fail you put your hand up and say accordingly But I think that that one word of time is the key Danny. You're listening to the coaching manual podcast hosted by me Danny Mills Obviously after your time at Brentford you took a huge job Here in the UK, which was obviously the Glasgow Rangers job Massive opportunity I think we all see it as there's only two clubs in Scotland. Um, effectively, there's not we know that. Um, it's bigger than that But I mean the old firm your first old firm Derby, you know, everyone talks about the atmosphere Can you describe almost the week leading up to that and and then the game itself? It is it's a level of passion, which I don't see replicated down south and I'm a London boy to me Tottenham Arsenal was the biggest game of the season or the biggest game ever And then you realize that the what the old firm entails what it means to the city It literally is half and half And the build-up really is you know days and days before The actual game itself my first old firm game was a semi-final against Celtic Hampton which you won on penalties But it was a game that had everything but the atmosphere was incredible Um, but you knew you had a level of responsibility So as a manager a staff member And as a as a player you have a huge responsibility because it means so much to so many people in the city You've paid in some huge derbies But as I say I've been Glasgow so much is at stake and to win that game After where Rangers had been in the previous two or three years it meant so much to the fans. That was a a fantastic occasion You know one will stick long in the memory Um, the first league game was at parkhead 65,000 And we had a tough result there It's called two late goals But an atmosphere Brendan came over was quite unlike anything of every experience I was trying to speak to Barry Mackay who was five yards away yelling at him He couldn't hear what I was saying Such was a level of noise and it's different down south because it goes on for the full 90 minutes It just doesn't stop and again irrespective of winning losing It's a privilege to be involved in those in those type of games. It was a difficult time for Rangers How difficult was it? One to manage on the field stuff and also to manage off the field stuff as well There was an awful lot of change going on at the club at that time and a period where They hadn't been successful for for quite a few years Now the first two ranges is a magnificent football institution You know with a proud and long history as we all know At the time we went in David Nye There was nine players on the first air preseason. I think 13 had been released And literally we had a bare bones of a squad So that was the task facing us, but that's an opportunity as well So to better bring in the lights of Tavernier, Fodringham, you know, Rob Keane and Waghorn Danny Wilson, Halliday, how all these young guys majority of them all free We had the money was was that difficult Blending them into a team exceptionally quickly We've seen off managers and coaches struggle where there's a lot of signings coming over to summer Through their own choice. You had to do it through necessity Was it difficult to merge them into a team very quickly? No, because I'm not saying it in an arrogant way because we had some experience wise heads The likes of Kenny Miller and Lee Wallace who I can't speak highly enough about those two guys by the way To outstanding pros But to get young guys in we wanted people who are hungry and enthusiastic and keen to learn And the lights of Tavernier we saw rather than his quality of delivery and his athleticism, for example Keane and the proven championship center half was Fodringham a 170-yard game for Swindon So we knew we had experience we had players who liked to play football And we had players who wanted the ball at their feet and that's what we were after So that that hunger passion enthusiasm and a desire to desire to learn and improve and we got that as I say Mentored by the wise old heads And it went really well. We started off strongly Danny and made a good season You've obviously been around a lot of big clubs after that you went to not in forest another club steeped in history We'll see, you know, Brian Clough and the era and all that sort of stuff. You're a double european couple is effectively Well, you know, you can hear the passion in your voice for football and everything else to pass that on What advice can you start giving to younger coaches coming through and I think it's important because There are a lot of coaches out there That didn't play the game professionally that didn't have those opportunities that played at a level that you played at And actually that can be quite inspiring that you went on to be very very successful having not had that so-called prestige playing career I think the key I get I get so many messages Be it twitter or linkedin or whatever from from young coaches whose passion for the game is is evident in every word that they write down But I hear them say, you know, I've done my level two now. I want to go into full-time football I get it all the time. I've got one yesterday I'm a level one coach looking to go full-time football And you're trying to say that one you've got to appreciate the industry In terms of the number of people who want to be involved in the the national game the global game And you've got to appreciate the work that's involved for you to have any chance of being successful I'm not saying like an old man here, but it was hard work Then it really was hard work long hours in the academy Watford for example You do your 85 90 hour weeks your day off for Sunday afternoon after the academy games and you're back on a Monday morning Um It's a slog, you know, and you have to put the time in you have to gain the experience And you have to improve your depth of knowledge I would never dream on a level one or level two to say i'm going to become a full-time football Football coach But you you have to acknowledge it now as I what my advice would be to recognize Recognize the industry understand what it would take to get into a full-time position and give yourself some some short-term medium-term targets So are you working with under 30s level of player? What do you do with that particular squad? Do you're working with what are your aims with this squad? What represents success for this squad and at those young ages? Is it more Technique based rather than anything else get into improve and get those skills at a level so they can then perform The challenges and the wider coaching sessions that you want to put on it's understanding What's involved in being a coach?  So you have to make sure you cover all bases. So is Is that is that difficult you think I've done my coaching or a certain level coaching badges and coaching It's so it is so different from playing You know and even when as I got sort of senior part of my career I coached what I would say on the pitch from a playing perspective and other players It is so different from putting on a session start and stop in a session Is this the biggest thing that the likes of gerard gigs? Lampard Barton soul Campbell is that their biggest challenge in in actually how they're going to coach rather than they've got the knowledge I assume But actually how to coach the language they use it is going to be the biggest challenge for them I think obviously they're the world-class players you know outstanding playing careers And they've now got to take their ideas and their knowledge into their coaching as you as you just said So how do they get their message across how do they understand how players arrive at a certain point you know from a to b etc And what's involved in that journey and what do you have to do to work with the players because I'm sure many things can quite naturally to those players as talented young kids coming through the academy Etc and you know young Frank Lampard a young Steven Gerard making a debut at 16 17 years of age Obviously they work really hard and maximize their talent But a lot of it must have come quite easy to them to to progress on to first in level so quickly Now when you're rangers or you're at Derby County, for example What's the right time to progress these players what do they need to do to improve their game? And I'm sure what they will do is surround themselves even with game of Callister Etc getting good people around them Jody Morris around Frank Getting good people good coaches around them to help them deliver their message But it's that clarity of message. I think they'll fight. They'll have to work out for themselves going forward And how best they can maximize the knowledge they've gained they've gained from working under some outstanding coaches And is that the most crucial point for them, especially for the young players that they're dealing with? You just mentioned when they came through they probably found it quite easy For them is it deciding When they are good enough to step in to the first team shoes and step into that regime And also when to pull them out, you know, you can step in for three four five games and then you come out for two or three and so I look at Mason mount example now So it's on loan from Chelsea and and Frank has a huge responsibility there to look after young players doing great for him But great for mason to be working with someone like frank lampard But it's maximizing that situation and making sure that His mason's playing time in minutes on the pitch is appropriate for his development He's being challenged in the right way each and every day and steven Likewise taking some very talented young young loneys Getting those getting those messages right to the players is key critical because at this stage they're queer when one wrong One wrong move here could really hurt them So it's it's it's important They're knowledge that they've gained over their playing careers to make sure they benefit the young star that's coming through now And i'm guessing some of the advice, you know for them Planning their sessions knowing what they're going to do having a Pathway that they want to go down and this is for all coaches I assume how important is it to have your day your week your month All of that planned out in advance just in case everyone will tell you a different story my for me personally It's absolutely critical. You know, I was quite Facidious in this I would I would plan out. This is what I want my players to be doing by the end of the season Does that come from your academic background or make football or a mix of both? I've always been that way I've always I've always liked planning the structure. So If you start the season, where do I want the players to be Christmas where I want to be in March Where I'm going to be at the end of the season. How am I going to get there? What do I have to do now to help Help without that to happen and I love that planning and structure I'd like all the sessions out weeks ahead and key points. I want to see but I also knew that I couldn't just Work through the whole session if the players weren't understanding a key point Then you have to keep working with them Don't just say box tick to move on to the next one because my diary says I should be doing this on a Tuesday No, the players have to learn. You've got you've got your plan, but you've got to have that flexibility Absolutely to step forward if they're better than expected or to regress slightly if they're not quite good enough Absolutely spot on and and to me that's one of the key arts of coaching is knowing when the player is ready to move on And to challenge them in the right way And that's the key for me is understand that this is my plan This is after deviate slightly and why I'm deviating and this is the outcome of that And as I say have your clear targets in place short medium and longer term But what you do the micro detail within that is the art of coaching And how important is it to give players responsibility to go and learn for themselves? You know, I've been around a lot of football a lot of academy my kids are through the system We tend to be producing One of the better word almost a lot of robots at times, you know Academy players, they're great if they're told what to do and when Do we do we need to give players more responsibility to learn for themselves at times? I think if you look at the young so the young England national squad, for example There's a great depth of talent coming through all age groups now and then success at 17s 19s 20s 21s, etc Tells you that there's a real pool of talent being developed So there's a lot of outstanding work being done through the academies You know the roles of the various partners and e triple p, etc So a lot of good works being done But you the level of the game is getting higher and higher The game is getting quicker and faster decision-making process is getting ever quicker So we have to challenge these players Danny. I think in before they reach the first team That's the key They've got to be they've got to be confronted with a variety of challenge a quality of challenge Which best prepares them for that first team experience. They can't be right We know you can't be right that you step into a first team and the first time you face a Young aguero type center forward is is in the first team You should have hopefully have played him through at 16 17 18 19s Is some of the problem and up but this is my belief you might disagree And feel free to sometimes when young players step into the first team environment They almost stop getting coached a lot of their time because obviously everything is about winning Everything is about the first team and sometimes their development Can slow down a little bit because they're not maybe getting the one-to-one of the sessions that they need Because it is just about winning and the first team games I think now even the change of title the managers becoming head coaches I think you're now seeing and go back to your earlier question about technical director Where certain responsibilities could be taken away and allowing the The manager to focus on his coaching abilities. I think the young players are being coached You're dead right There's a danger that you can leave this coaching Environment of an academy for example up to 23s and suddenly you're in the first team It's all about the result on a Saturday. It's getting that balance right I believe more and more you look around the managers in the Premier League for example on a championship So much good coaching work is being done into these young players I think the game has moved on significantly for maybe five eight ten years ago So that you like you have to watch that and be aware of that potential danger But I think a lot of good work is being done with these with these young players now Still talking about sort of young players Every single coach will always have problem players You work with one in particular. I sat next to him for four years Joey Barton You know challenges every single day in terms of attitude and whatever But how do you what would be your advice to give to any coaches where you get a Disruptive influence within the team, you know, how do you deal with that? Do you take them out? Do you arm around them? What's the best way to deal with Any player that's some sort of attitude problem or slightly disruptive to the session I think you've got to look at it. What what age group of player you're working with So if it's a younger player for example 13 14 a local team and your job is to help him Now if if if they're beyond help with you or you don't possess the skills to help this particular individual Then obviously you hope very much you're aware enough to to make the right decision But I think that there's more senior level now. It's all down to recruitment It's all down to doing a due diligence and your homework and asking the key questions and hoping there's a relationship there But sometimes these players with the edge are the type of players you're looking for They had that edge to your team performance on the pitch as well And yes, they may be they may challenge you on many aspects But it can be very good for your management as well. You know, it's part of your experience building And your knowledge building how do I deal with him? What do I do? Well, what could I've done better? You know, where was the key mistake for me? It's just life experiences, Danny So I think you have to make sure that is that the hardest thing about coaching management What do you want to call it? Is it the the man management these days of of individuals? Is that the hardest aspect at the top level that you've got to get right? I think we've spoken previously you and I about the that is the key skill I look at man City now to have so many players world-class players not involved on a Saturday or Tuesday That's fun all credits of Pep Guardiola to to deal with that because I think I hear coach yourself I love being on the grass That's almost the easy part in some way in some respects in the fact that everyone loves doing that You can go on the grass. You're doing what you enjoy doing best the man management off the pitch Dealing with the individual players understanding what makes them tick understanding that one might have a You know domestic issue to deal with or sickness in the family or divorce or whatever it may be You've got to understand it because you're dealing at the highest level Professional sportsman and and you've got to make sure that when they go out on the cost of white line Their head the body's in the best place for them to deliver performance And and that's your role man managing to give them the best environment to maximize their abilities And I guess that filters all the way right down to to grassroots coaches Whereas at professional level you're dealing with players entirages agents Managers PR people whatever lawyer whoever it is as you drop down it becomes about parents You know and family members that you have to deal with and understand like you said If they've got any sort of problems going on behind the scenes away from the football Yeah, the young coach you spoke about how does a young coach aspire to become a full-time guy in the game or Lady in the game and and that's very much in dealing with those experiences dealing with the problem parent Setting the rules and setting the standards within your within your club Doesn't matter if it's under 9s under 15s under 18s. What are the standards that you demand? Expect the levels of respect that you expect from the players and the parents boys and girls They're your standards and that's what you stand by and they whether they're in place under 13 local park or the first team In in the championship. It doesn't matter. They're your standards and you've got to buy buy them I think players of all levels Want want to know the boundaries they want to how far they can push it You know the old saying of the guys earlier is players hate rules or one thing they hate worse than that is no rules They want structure. They want that clear guidelines. I think if you give it to them, make sure you adhere to it as well Well, there you go. Thank you very much mark. You've been an absolute star some incredible advice from a an incredibly knowledgeable Perspective and slightly different perspective as well, which has been fantastic. So Good luck with whatever role you decide to next whether that be sporting director manager coach Running the country sorting brexit out whatever it may be. Good luck with it. Many thanks today. Appreciate Danny. Thank you Many thanks to mark for joining us for the third episode in season two of the coaching manual podcast Thanks to everyone for listening. You can keep up to date with the coaching manual on social media Follow us on twitter at coaching manual on instagram and facebook at the coaching manual register for an account now for session playing tools High quality coaching content and more essential resources for football coaches at the coaching manual dot com See you next time