go I think has a shot is if they just say it proved like That augmented reality is like a thing. Yeah and people should explore more of it But again, that doesn't make it the best. It just means that like it proved that this could be something that could be good If someone did it right Um, and granted pokemon go if that december update rumor is true might finally be getting it right Um, but again, you know this many months after launch and that updates that could be out by thursday Yeah, so it's not good and these votes have probably already been cast So pokemon go is the the no man's sky that somehow managed to get on this list Kind of yeah, um, you know the the I think the big difference is if that december update is true Like like no man's sky you can kind of see where because it didn't include like anything of what it promised Um, like pokemon go at least included the main premise of you can go catch pokemon out in the real world Well, I mean that was the main premise of no man's sky was you can explore an infinite galaxy Yeah, but it was supposed to be like every planet is different. I mean and I mean they're they're different slightly different But they're not really they start becoming really samey after a while Um, especially since like every hut on each planet is like the same hut. Yeah. No, it's like I'm not defending that game by any means Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying that like that like they you know There's a lot of things that they were wrong with it But like even the the supposed core of the game didn't even feel right Um, it felt like it just was a bunch of bs Um, just like get to the center of the galaxy. It's gonna be amazing. It's not that amazing. Um But yeah, so I think you know based on just pure Reviews pure just pure quality pure appeal to media members. I think fire room fates is going to take it What do you vote for I think I think if they're going to pick a mobile game, it'll be clash royale Um, I think severed, you know, it has a good check because it's um, you know so many different devices Uh, you know like clash royales really only on phones and tablets where a severed is on, you know, even on the vita Um, in addition to like we you and all that stuff so But but I think fates. I think this is like the one category where nintendo is going to get a win Yeah, um, it's gonna go to it's gonna go to fates because fates is absolutely fantastic And it's the highest review game of all the games on the list. So so is that what you vote for then? Yeah, it's what I want to win and it's what I think is going to win And I don't think monster hunter is a chance because monster hunter. I think it's just too niche For western media and that's saying something because fire emblem fates is very niche It is but it's very approachable to western audience Like monster hunter is not that approachable to western gamers. Very japanese gamers. Sure. They love that thing I like I wouldn't even call monster hunter niche in japan. That's how popular it is But fire emblem fates is like it's popular here, but not popular in japan So it's kind of like zelda actually zelda is not that popular in japan anymore either So this oh this next one best vr game for the best game experience playable in virtual reality Uh, so we've got batman arc and vr by rock study and warner bros interactive entertainment E valkyrie by ccp games job simulator by al alchemy labs res infinite by enhanced games and thumb for vital I think it's going to go to batman Because I say batman because it's the most recognizable and like and because it was good like it was yeah Well, it was and you look at batman. I mean I call it a demo. It's not even really a game to me But it's like a 20 dollar 30 dollar game So it's not really like that last like a half hour like it's the way right now. You're paying for experiences on vr You're not paying for yeah, that's the thing. I don't think there should even be a vr category I mean, I think if they want to say that if they want to say best vr experience I think that would be a better way to name this category But when you call something a game, I look at all of the these um, the these selected things and they're just demos. Yeah None of these feel like a game like some of these cost like 40 bucks and um, no I wouldn't pay more than like a dollar on steam to try some of these like it I guess it's my problem with vr in general. There really isn't like a true game There's no reason to get vr right now in my opinion Yeah, so but like if they wanted to say vr experience because vr is like the hot thing Then I would say batman because who doesn't want to be back. Well, and it's also like not that these games are unpolished Batman vr is is surprisingly it's good. Yeah, it's good. I mean all these demos. I'm going to call them demos are good um, it's just Batman, I don't know I bias well I it might it might end up being like eval cry. I know that that's really good job simulator I don't a lot of people had a problem. I mean people are raving about all of these these experiences So like pardon me I think I have us a lot of bias to batman because I love like I played that I pay the batman arc of vr And it was really really cool because it was like oh, yeah, but have you played all these other vr games played job simulator? And I played res infinite not vr So I can't really you didn't kind of get the experience infinite is a full game It's oh, yeah, it is just I you know for vr. I mean I could see again I just think it's going to go to batman like there's these other games are great But I it's it's going to go to batman. I agree with you on batman I have a feeling it's probably going to go to something that isn't batman, but For now, I'll stick with batman. I don't know. I don't really like this category. So best action Sorry vr people. I mean, I think vr has got great potential. I think we're nowhere close to it being a viable Thing in the market best action game for the best games in the action genre focused on combat battlefield 1 doom Gears of war 4 by the coalition and microsoft studios overwatch and titanfall 2 Let's kind of get this out of the way. I don't necessarily think overwatch is in an action game And it's funny you say that because I think I think it's an action game I didn't I saw action adventure and I was like I don't think it's an action adventure game It's not it's an action game. No, I I think I think this is the category over watching wins No overwatch can win this Um, you know it's an action general focused on combat. That's exactly what that game is Um, yeah, these other games are that too. Um, I think doom has a nice shot at this one I don't think Gears of War 4 is really going to get there. Um, by the way, Gears of War 4 is good Yeah, it just came out another solid game for for microsoft Um, you know again titanfall 2 fantastic. I would love to see you get the award here I just I think that you know another overwatch scrapped up a few times I think it's clear the panel wants overwatch to win something because overwatch has You know, it it's been a sensation It has like there's all these games that have come out like it but overwatch is the best of all Do you see like t-shirts you see pops figures for like hot topic? Yeah, like like it's a it's a big deal and so is battlefield one You know battlefield one's probably at that same level titanfall 2 again bad released period Gears of War 4 big deal for for some but it's a single platform game I mean so is overwatch technically but Uh, I I think that this is the award that they say overwatch you I mean You're all about that action all about that combat considering. There's no other part of the game It's just action to combat. Yeah, like the other the other parts have a lot of narrative Overwatch doesn't have that. Yeah Okay, I mean, I guess doom doesn't have that either. I don't know. So overwatch overwatch Anyways, that that's overwatches category to lose. Okay. This next one is breath of the wild. Oh wait. I mean Best action-adventure game the best action-adventure games combined in combat with traversal and puzzle solving So we've got the sound or two by arcane and Bethesda softworks. Oh my I love that game so much hitman the sound or i o interactive in square enix hyper light drifter Which somehow i'm surprised it appeared here Because it's a great game. It's a great game. Love it. I just didn't think it would appear up against what these other like Yeah, these other really big games ratchet and clink by insomniac games and sony interactive and then of course Uncharted 4 This is the only place dishonor 2 appears And I want it to win I don't think it will I want it to win because it's a great game. It's reviewed great Um, oh, yeah, dishonor 2. I think is better than the first game Yeah, and I I didn't think I was gonna say that because I loved the original dishonor so much But dishonor 2 is like that and then some it took whatever Also the cast like oh my gosh the fact that vincen d'onfrio and they dishonor 2 feels like It's the game on this list. I want to win Again This is also one of those things that like if uncharted 4 is up for game of the year How could it not be the best game in its own category? Just like inside it's kind of like this almost feels like there's no point to have this because it's clearly Uncharted 4. Yeah, that's gonna win But I would love to see dishonor 2 like maybe they're just like look dishonor 2 is really good. We have to give it something Yeah, but I mean I again Any game that's game of the year that ends up going into a category about its own genre if it can't win its own genre Then it shouldn't be yeah for game of the year just talk so we're in agreement. We want dishonor 2 But but there's probably be a chart of four. I don't know how it can't be on chart of board Okay, best royal playing game the best this will be best game designed for rich player character customization progression both Both two things are included on this line including massively multiplayer So we've got dark souls three actually three things are included on this list that are really interesting dark souls three from software and Bandai Namco entertainment. So it's from from software day day's x Mankind divided by itis Montreal Square Unix and this is the weird one for me Oh, there's x is already no no not that go on the witcher three wild hunt blood and wine by cd project red because that's a dlc Um world of warcraft legion. It's like an expansion pack Just like world of warcraft which is an expansion pack and then they're just tossing some cookies to nintendo Is he gonna believe chronicles x by monolith soft to nintendo great game does not stand a chance in this category I I would like it to win But as man, I love that game But there's just if you if you compared that to dark souls three in terms of how the game is like the the character design like the textures That aren't like the character textures in zena blade are just like Holy crap nintendo or monolith soft like you couldn't have put in the extra work Maybe make the mouths move with the words make characters a moat Like these are basic things. Here's the thing I know that this feels really weird, right? Like this whole category feels weird because you because you got dark souls three and zena blade chronicles Which are clearly like new games this year. Yeah, um, you have an expansion pack for willa coro grab granite Will the warcraft expansion packs almost feel like a new release of a game and legion is absolutely fantastic It might be the best expansion pack since the burning crusade But uh, so far that's the thing like it's really it feels weird for legion to win this Because you don't really get a full picture for what legion is until we're already talking about the next x-pack Because that's when they stop adding content to it um, so like I guess It's really hard to tell right now. I don't think legion has a chance just because it It's just the type of game where the warcraft is the ever-evolving game I don't think as fantastic as as this x-pack has been so far. I don't think it has a chance um Deus Ex mankind divided isn't that uh more of like a remake? No, it's like a third. It's a third in a series of games. Okay. Um, because before that Oh, what was it human revolution? It was well dames x either way Deus Ex mankind divided actually reviewed lower than zeno blade So I don't think that I think zeno blade chronicles is a lot better shot at it than deos x does Especially since zeno blade chronicles x is just such a like it's like the only rpg for you um so The the odd one to me is that blood and wine Because it's it's dlc. It's an expansion. It's it's dlc. But here's the thing I'll have everything on this list that blood and wine dlc is rated higher than everything else It's like it's not even close. It's like at a 92 93. I'm at a 94 on game rankings. Which are three dark souls three What what's your three one best game or one game of the year last year? So it didn't it did so like so like the panel already loves witcher three and the Blood and wine it might be like wild hunt like I don't bloody wine itself is What a lot of people said is like the pinnacle of dlc like this is what dlc If you're going to charge for it, this is what it needs to be Like you can't you know charge for a couple maps and call it good like so many people do like This is what dlc, you know whatever like if zelda's going to have dlc It needs to be like blood and wine and quality and and and content and stuff like a fully new game basically Yeah, yeah, but like it doesn't feel like it takes away From the original game like that that's what so many people worry about Oh, if you're gonna have such a big story one or such a big, you know dlc pack Like that means that the first that the original game is incomplete, but it's not It's brilliant how cd project went in so I think that's why it's included because It is like already the Witcher 3 is already really good and this dlc packed. It's something that no one thought it could do But again, it does feel like it's dark souls 3 category to lose Because you know, it is a full game not not not dlc It is the highest rated of the full games. It's higher rated than deos x It's higher rated than xenoblade like in terms of ratings for full games. You know like it's two But dark souls 3 is kind of a darling It's you know, it hasn't been nominated for anything else Nothing else in this list has really been nominated for anything else And dark souls 3 feels like the more popular of all of them. I think this is I want to say that dark souls 3 is going to win but but I know it feels weird But I think blood and wine has a shot. No, I agree. I think it has a shot I just feel like dark souls 3 is like Like the only way I can think it is if people look at it like, oh, how can we vote for dlc? But if they ignore that and they just go with what they feel is the absolute best on this list Blood and wine would probably win. I feel like that's going to be a stump. Although the fact that it's dlc Yeah, I think that's but it was nominated Which that's what i'm saying like it was good enough to be nominated. So it's like Like they clearly think very highly of it. The reviews of it are It's one of the highest reviewed things this year released on any platform. It's crazy how high reviewed this is Um, so you know what I'm confused. I think it's between dark souls 3 and blood and wine Ah, I want to see a legion has like Like they voted legion in so clearly it has they all these games have a shot No, this isn't like the uh, you know because legion legion is just as high rated as dark souls 3 is Um, so like this feels like a category. I think that I can't definitively say it's going to go one way Like I feel like dark souls 3 obvious is like the obvious choice. Yeah But blood and wine and legion and even xenoblade chronicles x are like such media darling, you know what I'm surprised isn't on that list Bravely second end layer I'm not surprised because it got pretty much the same reviews like in terms of xenoblade chronicles x Yeah, but it doesn't have as many as many what Reviews like there wasn't as many outlets who played it. Yeah, but still like that that is like they're set There's what 70 for that and xenoblade chronicles x had 87 Yeah, so And xenoblade chronicles is actually three points higher and has a higher user score So So yeah, if there yeah, I mean I can see what you're saying because I think I think that's a good game I don't think it's sort of chance. No, I know I just I'm surprised that it's not on that list either A long-sizing a blade or like I said, this is the category I'm not sure about because I think the panel is going to think blood and wine is the best But whether or not they vote that way because it's dlc I don't know if they don't vote that way then they're going to go. I think with dark souls 3 but again If they don't consider legion They could be dlc if they consider legion to be a standalone thing. It is the highest rated World of Warcraft dlc like sense burning crusade So it very well could end up going. I mean and now I keep flip I keep making arguments for everything else Just just like it's really like this is a very good category to me like It's a strange. This is the strangest category. We've seen because we I've never seen dlc nominated for like a full role playing game award Like it's crazy But like it was so good. I could see how it wins. Okay, so I don't know Dark souls 3. I dark souls 3. I think it's going to be the winner, but I'm I'm not I'm like maybe 60 percent sure on that I want zeno blade chronicles to win, but I know it doesn't really stand a chance. Oh, yeah Well, that's my nintendo fandom. I don't think it like I think zeno blade chronicles is fantastic I don't think I honestly don't think the production value on it is good It's the best open world jrpg on a nintendo console It's funny too because it's not really even a jrpg the way they designed it But anyways, best fighting game for game design primarily around head-to-head combat. I don't know how to park in tournament I don't know how to answer this one because I haven't played I haven't played a lot. I've only played poke a tournament But we've got killer and sink 3 by iron galaxy studios and microsoft king of fighters Uh 16 is that right? Yeah, uh, yeah By sn. Oh, that's that's isn't that 14 probably. I don't know 14. That's 14. Roman numerals SNK and atlas usa poke a turner fighters expert by band Die namco studios the pokemon company and street fighter 5 by capcom So this is either going to go to I feel like this is going to go to park in tournament because it's the first like pokemon fighting game People have been wanting this kind of thing forever and it's decent um I feel like like by default the street fighter 5 Even though there's been a lot of You know Controversy surrounding it Overall, I think the media ended up liking. Let me actually look that up. Well, I got think The media likes street fighter 5 Because I gotta remember like it's media. Oh, it's basically voting on this. So Street fighter. Oh, I came to spell street fighters Like I got, you know so-so reviews Uh, what what pocket turner because if pocket tournament blew out of the water with reviews Then I think pocket tournament is going to get it. No pocket tournament was did not blow it out of the water Uh, you know, see I I think king of fighters was really good But to the media I think it was good I actually liked uh, so that is better reviewed right now You know, how about and again, this is another weird weird thing because killer instinct was like on the xbox one at the beginning This is just like another season of dlc.  I don't play king of fighters I play pocket tournament and street fighter 5 has the name. Yeah It has the name it has the brand it is a game that's played at gaming Like fighting competitions Um, I mean my vote is it's just going to be spoken Like that. Well, that's the only one you played too.  It's beautiful. Um, yeah, and my only issue with it. I guess is it seemed to lack characters and content Yeah, well, it was it's but what what it had was really really good Well, he didn't have like, you know street fighter and I think king of fighters has a story mode Yeah, I think I think pocket tournament suffered almost from what the original killer instinct when it came out All the killers did it way different.  Yeah It it was very it's really good. It's what what it has And what it's good. I think if like it would have doubled the content it had Like I think I would have won this hands down if it would have had like an all star ensemble Like a lots and lots of pokemon in it instead of like especially like pokemon like really recognizable ones. Yeah Um, I mean it has good ones in it So I think this is one where I think it's going to end up being between poke and tournament and street fighter five Um, they both reviewed very similarly street fighter five was played by more people, but it is what it is Uh, pokemon is obviously very recognizable as a brand. So, you know, it's a brand recognition there. Uh You're going to poke and I think it's going to end up going to street fighter five by default because none of these games reviewed well Yeah And street fighter five has the name and is the is the one game that's still played to this day like It's relevant and like hardcore gamers and stuff Um, granted at the tournament say I own all the dlc and everything, but it is what it is. All right Um, there you go. Best family players move on family. That's family game best game appropriate for family play Including toys to life rhythm music dance and other genres. We have dry It's basically just anything that you could see anyone in your family playing drag makes sense dragon quest builders by square enix Lego star wars the force awakens by traveler tales. That's sorry tt fusion Um, yeah, pokemon go by knee tick ratchet and clank by insomniac and skylanders imaginators by toy for bob slash So I think it's going to go this is like the category. I think pokemon go lands That's what I was going to say because everyone played it Um, whether you were an adult or a child even the media members would be like Yeah, we didn't necessarily like think it was the greatest, but we we still played that that was kind of my thing for Uh, whatever it was that it was up for earlier like ratchet and clank to me just isn't a family game I know like so many tries to make it out to be it's it just doesn't feel like when your titles are like up your arsenal and stuff It's not a really a family game. Yeah, it's not they tried skylanders skylanders is definitely more of a family game But I think that's not a game. I this way view everyone playing a few more kids enjoying skylanders more um Lego star wars the force awakens like I mean I could see how that's a family game But isn't that just like every other lego game out there? Yeah, like they're pretty much all the same dragon quest builders again It's like a dragon quest taken like minecraft stuff. Well, and it's very dragon quest is is a Like very niche thing for the west Like it's never it's never been really. I mean, I don't think this is I mean we both agree. It's pokemon go. Yeah Like like it doesn't matter. This was one where reviews don't necessarily matter It's going to be games that they actually think people will play Yeah And pokemon go is gonna win that one best strategy game best game focused on real-time return based strategy game playing Oh, this is so tough. I know it is.  I figured you were going finally. That's that's Where it's probably gonna go I don't think fire emblem is gonna take I don't think it is. All right. That's just my vote Yeah, that's what you want. Like if you were on the panel, you go fire. I'd be like, yeah fire emblem Love that game. I'm torn because one civilization six is absolutely fantastic I don't own it yet because it's not my christmas list Um, so I've only watched gameplay videos of but I love sip 5 and sip 6 everyone who like loves it 5 Is said sip 6 is like just even that much better um, so sip 6 is Amazing and we don't get new civilization games that often to be honest I mean the series has been around forever and this is only number 6 like Well, like there's there's like the space one. Well, yeah, but those are like expansion packs. Yeah Um, it's kind of like a world of warcraft does except world of warcraft doesn't have a world of warcraft 2 Part of the fates is off so we talked about already great game Um, great pair of games Banner saga 2 is is is really good, but I don't think it has a shot right here Total war war hammer is amazing Um, obviously, you know, as Alfred said, oh Nate's gonna gush about that one. Of course The total war series is absolutely stunning It went into a rut I want to say after medieval 2 Shogun 2 really wasn't that great Empire total or empire wasn't really that good like total war kind of felt like maybe it ran its course Maybe it maybe age of empires out like age of empires 3 came out and that kind of killed the series And I felt like maybe total war kind of reached that point where it killed itself um, you know It just wasn't what its formula just wasn't going to work anymore And then war hammer happened And it just changed everything um Total war felt like the perfect fit with that universe And what they did and the unique ways they implemented all these new features It really reinvigorated what total war is and the reviews show Total war war hammer. I think might even be Let me look up reviews. I think it might be the One of the highest shogun 2 back in 2011 So what what do you what do you vote for and what do you uh, roam roam was the best one? That's no surprise. Um, I think It's well, it's to to me. It's between war hammer fight alone fades and civ six. Yeah I don't think fire alone is going to get it done. No What do you I want? I see I want war hammer to win. Okay, so I think civ six is taking it okay Best sports just civ six has all the media hype. So This I think this sports and racing game for traditional traditional sports and racing games You got fifa 17 by ea canada and ea sports forza. The best game isn't on the list for the horizon for I know I know what you're talking about uh playground games or microsoft studios mlb the show 16 by sony Yeah, it's a sandiacos nba 2k 17 visual concepts 2k sports revolution soccer 2017 by p. E. S production economy I think it's going to go to nba 2k 17. I'm not really a sports game guy But I think that that's it's going to go to nba Let me see what that Well forza game got rid of forza horizon Oh Okay That changes things Originally, I was going to say It's going to fifa mlb the show or nba 2k 17 Because fifa is widely considered way better in prohibitions. So prohibitions shouldn't even be in their own even Um fifa is like the most popular sports game in the world And every version they release is usually really really good Uh mlb the show is the de facto baseball game Um, I didn't play 16. I did play 15 So it has no bearing on 16 at all and how good it is because I haven't played it to compare I do have nba 2k 17 rented right now from game fly fantastic Um, they've really improved on the story mode in it, which is why I think it might win Because like as much as hype is the spike lee story got last year. It really wasn't that good Um, and this year that kind of made the story mode make sense and matter In a way that I didn't think they could I always thought it was going to be a silly thing and now it's like This is something you can invest in And the gameplay is just as good as it's always been nba 2k 17 Um, I was going to give the win to Then I just happened to glance at how well forza horizon three is reviewing 91 I've never been a forza guy Like fifa 17 is not close And we'll be the show is not close nba 2k 17 isn't close Um, I think it's going to go end up going to forza. Who do you want to win because it The game I want to win is not on the list. I know you want an hl or not an hl You want madden to win Yes, and I'm not just saying that because like, you know The the criticisms people have of madden are the same reasons I fifa shouldn't be on the list Or and we'll be the show or 2k 17 shouldn't be on the list, you know, it's just slight improvements to a previous game It's a roster update Um, but like that's not just what madden 17 is and I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty details on that Um, but but I think forza is going to win because it's the most different of all the games on there And it's not a yearly game. Mm-hmm And it's also the most high reviewed game of all the games on the list So it doesn't come out as often Uh, like all the rest of these games are yearly games Except for forza and forza reviewed really well. So I think it's going to go to forza and I think if any other games going to knock it off, it's going to be Uh, let me glance and we'll be the show quick Because it will be the show is a big media darling in the us No, so so I think it's going to go to forza horizon If another game is going to take it, it's going to be every 2k So so you said i'll be a 2k. So that's like my second choice All right, that's kind of the what I what I would want to win out of what's available there, but All right So best multiplayer game for outstanding online multiplayer gameplay design including co-op and massively multiplayer experiences Got battlefield one gears of gears of war this four this this upsets me overcooked Overwatched that's confusing overcooked is so fun rainbow six siege and titan fall two yes So out of what's on this list, I think titan fall tall two should win, but it's not going to Yeah, no, it's not Um, I wanted to win because it just is that good, but it's it's not going to it's going to be overwatch Or battlefield one. I think it's going to go to either overwatch or battlefield one I would love to see a game like overcooked get that recognition because it's a very good game Just it's so much fun to play with friends Uh, but I think I think overwatch is probably going to end up taking it battlefield one has a shot Uh, I'm very surprised That they didn't include legion in this list Oh for a world of warcraft because it's a massively multiplayer experience Like it's an mmo. It's literally multiplayer Um, so I'm very surprised that they included like overcooked or like rainbow six siege, which clearly it has no shot to me Um And didn't include like the most popular multiplayer game in the world right now It's really weird, but uh Yeah, I think overwatch is probably going to take this category. Yeah, I think overwatch is going to take it I'd like to see overcooked win Yeah, that's the thing like I want to see them go for overcooked because I think it is deserving It's just I don't know how it's going to be an overwatch I think if overwatch didn't win any other category and win this one Now here's the nominees we get to actually cast a vote for okay. I don't know that much about esports. Do you? Uh Not the individuals. I know the team names. I'll set a hungry box Um Yeah, hungry box. I know because he was at the nintendo event I don't know that much about him back in the day and we're at Two hours and yeah hungry hungry box is the one of the best super smash real players in the world Um, so I'm gonna go down. We're gonna go down To most anticipated game. It's gonna Oh, we're after a trending gamer. I mean we can um Because I only I only say that because last year greg miller won and gave probably the best speech I've ever heard in my life So that speech is amazing. If you guys haven't seen the greg miller speech, you need to go watch it from last year And then listen to his reasoning reasoning behind it Oh, it's so so here's trending gamer for streamer influencer media member who has made an important impact on the industry in 2016 got angry joe show of boogie 2988 daniel dweyer also known as francis daniel dweyer jacksepticeye and lyric so This is this is the thing is jacksepticeye is a huge audience Yes, he does and he's good So I can see him winning um Well, they all have kind of huge audience. I know but like he's He's probably the one to know the most like I've been subscribed to him forever Like he's got what he's got 13 mil something like that. Some of these other guys. Oh, it's like what's angry joe at? He's at uh He's out at two mil. So yeah, he might be like the most followed of all and here's the thing too Is it's not necessarily about and this is one of the things that we we found out last year Yeah, like this isn't necessarily a popular. Well, this is well We found out last year with greg miller is that this isn't really about how many views you have It's can you inspire your audience to vote for you? Yes. And so yes, and I think this is where Someone like daniel dweyer has a shot. Yeah Because hey guys vote for me. I'm nominated for this and then like he doesn't have a huge audience Like following him on youtube You know, I mean he was okay for himself. He's got 22,000 like that's what zeldin former basically has So like and our youtube channel is dinky. So like But That's not what he's known for. Yeah He's known for his work at at the number two video game site in the whole world Um and doing a fantastic job there and he was still working there earlier this year Um, I don't know if he's I don't know. He might still be working there Danny I thought dandy left to do his own thing Yeah, I thought he did that's why that's why you know the trailer goes to his youtube channel But he's still he left this year. Yeah um And like kind of funny games kind of left around like a similar time Like last year or maybe it's two years ago now Um, but anyways the game awards didn't have this category that year. Yeah, so um, otherwise I think greg miller would have maybe won the year before so like He you know greg miller deservedly won last year despite not being the most popular choice on there as a followers Uh, daniel Dwyer. I think has inspired a lot of people through his work at a game spot And I think the fact that he went independent and basically did it all on his own it wasn't like When greg miller left and brought like three four people with him You know greg miller got the recognition, but really he only got that award Because of what they were able to do collectively as a group and he says that he's not taking this from Oh, yeah, he said that and I mean you can even listen to it He knows that that award is not just about him Like that's what that group was able to do and what that group means to so many people And greg miller is just uh, you know that that go-to personality of that group Um, so he was the one that got recognized and daniel dwyer is completely on his own and I personally am a huge fan of him Um, so like I was a huge fan of greg miller and he was on the one I'm a huge fan of daniel dwyer and he's I really want him to win I really think he's got a legit shot just because of people people are going to know who he is on You know, like fans are going to know who this guy is even if he doesn't have a big following Um, and I also look at it as you're looking at, you know, who's the most influential media member Like I don't know that angry joe is any more influential this year than he was last year like I I like his stuff, but like I you know, yes following is grown, but is he really any more influential than he's ever been? Boogie, you know, is he really any more influential now than he used to be? I think if the game awards existed years ago You could say that he is because when he came out to talk about his eating disorder Um, and all of his personal stripes he's had to go through to get to where he is Like that's a very inspiring story And you could you could argue that that makes him like a big influencer for people to follow their dreams And that that's very true, but again that wasn't this year That wasn't even last year like he he did this a little while ago And he'll bring it up now and then because you know, not everyone watches all his videos and not everyone knows But reality is that like that wasn't an impact he made necessarily this year Um, daniel Dwyer, like he went independent this year. Yeah Um jacksepticeye obviously the most popular of all of them. And here's the thing like Lear, do you know anything about lyric? No, but like I said earlier, that's the thing I don't know anything about him because he's got such a small following like who is he? But this is the thing like I said earlier. It's it's not necessarily about the following I know that's what I'm saying that like I haven't heard of this guy. Like where do you where do you come? I know, um, but like we'll put it this way. There are probably there were people that hadn't heard of Kind of phony they hadn't heard of greg miller, which is surprising because he was like the face of IGM for a while um Yeah, they hadn't heard well if you were a fan of playstation You heard of it. Yeah, if you were a fan of playstation, but a lot of people had And it's because they motivated their followers like they're on twitter every day It's kind of the same thing. Oh, they're they're You know, this is the one I'm shocked as none there who Um, and maybe it's because they couldn't think of an individual for this award Because it's trending gamer. Yeah, but like No one from easy allies is on here.  Yeah easy allies They have no guarantee of anything Um, but I think you know the only one you would really pick from that's maybe brandon jones because he runs everything But like a lot of people, you know like followed because of kyle bossman So like again, maybe that's something that they'll that one of them will be on the show next year Because like now kyle bossman probably before this panel was picked They didn't know that kyle bossman was going to be on the uh that youtube streaming show every thursday He does a bit on there now and he's like a regular with jeff kealy um, so You know I could see maybe kyle bossman becoming one next year But it kind of surprises me that because this is the year like everything went the crap for them And they kind of came out of that with like being able to still do this kind of thing for a living making the content they want to make Um, well, I don't know. I'm also a big easy ally fan So I guess I'm a little like I'm a big daniel dweyer fan So like I'm kind of biased to say I want daniel dweyer to win plus I think he would get like a killer speech I think I think it'll be like greg miller level of appreciation. Well, we'll end it with this If you want your person to win Vote for them because this is the fan choice Yeah, this is a fan vote like you guys can go to the the game awards comm slash nominees And and just like okay for the the streamies the youtube does every year. There are a lot of big names that go up against Like a lot of these but like we talked about jack jacksepticeye is a really big name Probably one of the bigger names.  But like for the streamies That there was like game theorists rooster teeth the young turks say what you will about yeah Just huge channel and the philip defranco show won and I absolutely love that show Love that guy And they won and because they inspired their fans to vote So if you if you really want a gamer to win go vote for him and finally most anticipated game Recognizing oh, we're going to skip over the controversial best fan creation. Yeah. Yeah, you mean the two of them Um, I think no matter who wins. There's just gonna be booze in the audience Um, if you've managed to stay with us for the whole two hours and 47 minutes, okay We're making like a habit of these of these Nate and right Nate and now for being two hours. So I'm just not going to cut this one up This is going to go straight through Um, oh god, so our most this is most anticipated game Recognizing an upcoming game that has shown significant ambition Is it even fair for us to talk about this? See we can talk about what we want to win, but we can talk about what we know is going to win And promise well, what what if it's the same thing? Hold on. Oh, they're voting by twitter and promise in Moving the medium the gaming medium forward must be announced and scheduled for release after nintendo prime just casted its vote So it says god of war by Santa Monica studio so many interactive entertainment huge game Lots of cheers for it and then absolutely horizon zero by gorilla games, sony interactive entertainment This is the game that playstation 4 owners have been waiting for something like this like a defining new ip looks fantastic Um, there are some reservations somehow about it now They figured out how like some of the one of the core gameplay mechanics that Is a mechanic people actually don't like but um anyways, we don't know yet the game's not here yet Mass Effect Andromeda by bioware and ea That's you know name recognition. It's got mass effect behind put it this way 2017 as oh so many big games Here's here's the thing that's going to cause legend isle is in trouble red dead redemption 2 by rock star games And then of course we've got legend isle of breath of the world We are you guys nobody knows Nate and I are voting for breath of the world Okay, that's easily not not we'll say it's big like I really looking forward to mass effect I'm a big massive fan. Um, I haven't played a lot of the god of war games Although they look really great and this you know, literally just called god of war game coming out looks like it might be the next step Yeah, like it might be like the breath of the wild to god of war Um, none of these games look bad. Let's let's say that too. Yeah, like these are fantastic games Red Dead Redemption 2 we haven't seen anything from them I think yeah, that's the thing like we're anticipating it because of how good one was well too And because it's by rock star games who I don't I don't think they've released a bad game I could be wrong on that someone will find some obscure game. They've really said wasn't that good Red Dead Redemption is technically red dead too. This is read their redemption too because we had redhead revolver before that Yeah, yeah, yeah, so like sorry semantics No, it's okay. So like I The only thing is like we're this is just most anticipated like it doesn't have to be like what you think looks the best No, I know I know that's the thing is um breath of the wild had like mass effect We've hardly seen anything from but we're gonna get five minutes of it at the game Yeah, and we're gonna get that like finally see what this game. We're gonna get five more minutes of god of war Probably in horizons here dawn and red dead redemption too. Oh, yeah, we're probably all these games are probably gonna be There's and here's the thing is that out of all of these like a lot of people like two of them are Sony exclusives you got god of war and horizons here dawn Those are only enough for so many which that's not saying anything about them Like these are still very good games very highly anticipated games Yeah, but again, I think it's going to come down to breath of the wild or red dead redemption too It's going to come down to those two because one breath of the wild literally destroy it owned most of the years Yeah, after e3 like it that was it that was the most talked about thing I think the only reason red dead redemption two even as a shot because I think if it was announced earlier this year Yeah, it went to the name of the beat breath of the wild like it was announced before breath of the wild And then breath of the wild got announced at e3. I don't I don't think it'd be even close But red dead redemption two is the most recent of these announced games And it's like the trailer is really popular. It's actually about the past breath of the wild For views despite the fact the trailer doesn't really show well And here's the thing too is that we're anticipating red dead redemption two being good. We already know But but here's what I also know I've seen fan voting in the past right like game facts does every now and then does their like Best game of all time thing. Yeah, that's totally fan votes. Sell the fans show up to vote man Yeah, I'm not like crazy. The games beat other like I love zealot games But like they beat all games that are way more popular than them So I think if this was a panel game like of like if a panel was choosing I think they choose breath of the wild Yeah Just because of how like as much as they might be excited for red dead redemption two that trailer doesn't really say Oh, it's revolutionizing or anything breath of the wild looks like it's completely changing what we know zealot to be Um, you know, they'd be excited about rising there's a god of war But like again, we don't know enough to this outside of horizon. That's a new ip We don't know enough to know if those games are really doing anything or just doing more of the same And breath of the wild we already know and they've already played hands on yeah, but this again This is just an interest but this is fans. Well, this is but this is fan This is a fan vote, which is totally different because it's like a popularity contest Well, imagine like if we had never seen anything from breath of the wild And we'd already seen all this stuff from red dead redemption two We kind of know what we expect out of that and so like hype is like I personally would still vote breath of the wild But like the general I don't think I don't think it wins generally Because we've seen a lot of of footage from breath of the wild Not that it's kind of sizzled down, but it's like, okay Well, we know what to expect like we know this game is coming out soon We know that's going to be fantastic, but we were anticipating something with red dead redemption two We're anticipating a great game More like oh my gosh participating like a reveal. Yeah, yeah like all this stuff like that's that's what that like most anticipated game like That sadly that's why no man sky won is because of the promise and the hype behind that game And that's why I think red dead redemption two is going to win this one is because of the promise Well, here's the thing we both can agree it's a two horse race, right? And that's not the discredit like mass effect. It's going to be amazing horizon or got a word like we're not discrediting It's just these games have been known for a while and people are still talking about red dead redemption two and zelda more than them Like It's just the way it is and I know there's a little bias because we're with this is zelda for our podcast like a three hour podcast And like we are obviously biased towards zelda We are in a lot of nintendo communities that we hear a lot of zelda But even if you like go to neogaf red dead redemption two and breath of the wild are constant topics popping up in the most recent Talked about stuff all the time These other games are not popping up like I haven't seen a god of war thread pop up there and Since the game was announced basically um Well, that doesn't mean people aren't anticipating it like it's just red dead redemption to a breath of the wild And I think because red dead redemption two is the more recent and it's been seven and a half years Um, or at least it will be officially people have been talking about this for so long Like people have been like, well, when are we going to get red dead, too? Like we've already had two but see that again by the time breath of the wild comes out It's at least five and a half years. So it's like it's like a similar I know we have limp between worlds, but like people just comparing like console games like I it's a two-horse race. I'm more into spain zelda than red dead. Um, I still think they're both gonna be fantastic. Uh, I think I'm gonna stick with zelda winning Uh, you can stick with your red dead. I think one of us is gonna be right. Yeah, maybe we should put a bet on this one No, good Bet on this one because this is like this is the one. I think it's the closest of all of us We can't if you really want to put a bet on this night. We can I still need to do my other one Which is hopefully I know that's the thing I'm like, can I can I make him bet and have him lose and then not fulfill this If you don't make me dress up or like buy and put clothes together Then probably you didn't have to buy clothes for it. Yeah, I said dress up as much as you can I have nothing. I have nothing to look you have nothing green. I know nothing red No construction paper. You can just wrap around your another areas That's what I'm saying. It's as best as you can think I was And that you also maybe you also were making me learn a song That I don't oh Oh, jeez. You know how easy it is to learn a song. Sorry Oh, it's so easy Especially since you could just like look at a lyric video and do it like you're making me sing. It's awful. I'm putting it off Yeah, I can tell it needs to be completed before the end of the year. All right. We'll see Okay, no bet because now I'm upset Alfred still hasn't fulfilled his last bet And by the way, I'm like two in all in bets this year Because I'm the tenor prime podcast we did some some sort of bet and I won that one against Darren And uh, you know the manager editors all the former and then my best but eric moran and they both owe me a 10 second Poem to my greatness. Okay.  They're a monster, but it's not good. It's not gonna be uh, well, no not not for here No, I know I'm aware. This is your show now. I don't make it. I don't make this No, I know I meant like you're you're gonna do that for them. You're still a monster for me now Yeah, I know but here's the thing. I can't because Darren can't record anything Wait, I know that guy Anyways, anyways, Darren you're safe for now. He's still on me that poem though All right, so you're going red dead. I'm going breath of the wild I think that is the end of the award that is it's all we're at too. That should be the end of this hour 56 minutes I mean that might be a little less maybe there might be like a 20 minutes cut Oh, because well, no, I'm not keep the whole B movie script in there. Just oh my god. Have fun Just to mess with them if you make it okay. Thanks for joining us on those Ellen former podcast I can't believe it's 11 30. I know well Thank you guys and see uh see you next week Hopefully we'll have a special guests on to talk about times and two and the fan film but until then see uh And go pack go they got the wind. Bye. Bye