Hey guys, it's Nate A.K. The Foot Account, and welcome back to the channel. It is absolute scenes right now on FC24 with some leaks about an evolution that will allow us to upgrade for the first time this year. Icons to a new level through playing games, through evolutions. Yes, it is true, an icon evolution has been leaked. We have to take a look at that. It seems crazy to say taking an icon and evolving them to a higher rated version just seems nuts. Let's take a look at that. Will it be hyped or will it not be hyped? It's happening soon, so there's a lot to talk about there. And it's confirmed FC vs. Team 2 with some leaks being posted yesterday will be dropped on Friday. So we'll take a look at some leaks for that and more leaks for SBC players upcoming including a player of the month and an end of an era SBC. So a lot to talk about if you're excited for it. Drop a thumbs up. Subscribe if you're new. Now what there's not a lot to talk about is yesterday's content. Guys, I tweeted this out yesterday right after the content drop. I can't remember a day in the past couple years on this game where they haven't dropped a new SBC. Usually it's SBCs or multiple SBCs every single day. Yesterday there was literally nothing. No SBCs, no lightning rounds, maybe a refraction of objective or something. But really all that we had was the brand new Team of the Week which that was crazy to have that little content yesterday. It's wild. Yes we see this before big time promos like Team of the Year right. They pull back the content, make it seem really dead and then it goes full force for a big promo like Team of the Year. But it was just wild yesterday to only have a Team of the Week. Now there is a pretty crazy card in Team of the Week and it's a 95 pace the fastest center back in the game. Theo Hernandez position change. He can play left mid, left back and center back with 95 pace. And he is just shy of a million coins with the very rare aspect of this card being on the market and not having any promo packs yesterday. This whole Team of the Week, especially Theo Hernandez, is pretty rare and didn't get supplied that much. Now a lot of them are already discard priced because that's where they were always going to be. But Frankie D'Yong got to inform and sort of allowed Taro Martinez. It's really a pretty mid Team of the Week with Theo and D'Yong being probably the best cards there. And you know somewhere down the line a couple of these cards will be cracked for evolutions as well. You never know. So look through Team of the Weeks for that sort of thing. Team of the Week prices are down 31,000 coins per card with the content, the way that it's been this week. It makes sense that that side of the market is going down because we don't have much more demand there. So without too much else to talk about from yesterday, we got to go straight into the big news, right? Let's talk about this evolution guys because it actually started yesterday before there was any leaks. These icon prices yesterday just started flying. Base icon prices went up a bunch yesterday before the content drop. I remember I literally woke up yesterday and I looked at Footbin and this is what I saw. And I was like, alright, there's definitely some sort of evolution here about icons because when else would icons be on the top of their Footbin popular page on the app? And right away I was like, oh my gosh, these cards are up so much in price. You have to sell in the hype. And if you did, GGs, if you had any of these, if you bought on the way up, if you have one in your club, if you have one in your team, you're trying out or anything like that, from 166k to 280,000 coins, this Essian card went. And a lot of these icons went up a lot yesterday and then started to go down. I was actually able to flip three Petites as he had an initial spike. He's now 111,000 coins. Petite went from 100k all the way to 179 and then he went down right here to 136. I bought three Petites here in the 120s and I sold a couple of them too early. But then I sold another one at 149, 150 right before the content drop. And when the evolution that these were going up so much for didn't actually drop yesterday, people started to sell. They went down, down, down. And then as the leaks came out, this Petite doesn't fit in the evolution. He just continues to drop back down to where his price was. But that was the craziness of the market yesterday was seeing these icon cards go up so much. And guys think about it, right? These icons, if there were ever going to be an Evo for them, they would probably a lot of them as we're seeing already on the market go extinct. The ones that are going to fit the evolution because icons are just so rare on the market compared to promo cards, compared to golds especially. That's why the bronzes and the silvers go extinct so fast, right? Because they're really rare. Same thing with the icons. So that's why their prices have been doing a whole lot of this with these leaks and with people investing and trading and trying to figure out what fits and what card would be good in evolution. Well, we know what the evolution is going to look like based off of the leaks. Now let's take a look at this guys because the upgrade, I'm just saying from a faced value, the upgrade looks good. And here is the leak right here from Rick and Foot Police. They combined to make this leak. Rick's leaks, Foot Police's leaks have been pretty much spot on recently, especially for Evo's, right? Especially for the requirements they have been basically spot on. And this is what he's saying. Overall, max 89, pace max 86, shooting minimum 78, passing max 91 and physical max 87. It gains the play style of Tikitaka and first touch and it has to be a rarity icon. That matters. We'll talk about that in a second. And the price is 200,000 coins. The most expensive evolution that we have had yet to date. This will take the place. I think pitch commander was 150K. I think this is the most expensive Evo that we've had now. It's a plus two overall, plus three pace, four shooting, three passing, dribbling and physical and two defense. It definitely seems like an icon Evo that is formatted for a midfielder or an attacker, especially with plus four shooting that is solid, three pace, three passing, three dribbles. Not bad either. The play styles that you get Tikitaka first touch definitely for a midfielder or an attacker as well. And even with the way that they have the stats, right? Max 86 pace, minimum 78 shooting. So you can't put a center back or a lot of defensive midfielders in here as well. So this is the Evo guys. This is the Evo right here. 200,000 coins for this upgrade on an icon. Now with these requirements, who fits this evolution? Because the upgrade looks pretty good. I know it's 200,000 coins. We're going to talk about right. It's expensive, but who fits this right? This is who fits the Evo and this is the problem. There are only 26 icons that fit this evolution because as it says in the requirements here and the way that I understand this is and what Rick tweeted out later to clarify based off of what he believes as well. The rarity icon is based off of the card design. It's not the league. So technically with these requirements, there would be a lot of other icons or a couple other icons that would fit this evolution. But since it's only base icons, the pool is so small. I'm not saying if it was just all icons like promo icons, it'd be a ton. But it add a couple more and especially some that a lot of us may have in our clubs. Socrates probably the most hyped card or a top three most hyped card for this evolution. Think about the Socrates, right? He's going to go to 91 rated. He's going to get plus three shooting 91 shooting. He's sorry, plus four shooting. He's going to go to 92 shooting 91 passing 91 dribbling and 85 pace. He is really going to look cracked. This is going to be a pretty insane card. Four star skills, five star weak foot. He buddies extinct, right? And that's going to be the problem. If you have the Socrates in the club or if you have Zola, Gerard, Robin van Persie, those are the four icons that are extinct right now on the market. And there's probably going to be a couple others that go extinct as well for this Evo. These are the ones that if you probably have it in the club, it's worth it to do. Think about it. These cards are extinct. So if you're going to try to snipe it, if you're going to try to snipe van Persie, it's 140,000 coins to snipe the card. And then to go and do the Evo on top of that, you'd be spending 340,000 coins, 410,000 coins if you want to do Gerard. Now Gerard could be really good, right? Power shot plus. He's going to go to 92 shooting as well. 91 passing and 86 dribble with 81 pace on the card. Like it's going to be a sizable upgrade for some of those. But I really feel like this is an L Evo, guys. Like it is, especially for some of these other icons down here. Schweinsteiger could be decent. Ballot could be decent. Nedved could be decent as well. Maybe Chef Schenko. But if you think about it, we've had a lot of promo icons already this year. And even for like Patrick Clivert, who fits this evolution, he's got other icons already in this game. A Dynasties card that is 89. That is a plus two over his regular icon card. They gave him plus seven pace on that card, right? Only plus two shooting. But like that's an 80,000 coin card in the market. The promo icons are pretty cheap. And that's kind of what you're trying to get here. Is you're making your base icon upgrade into maybe like, you could say the mid version of old FIFA's. It just seems like the icons that are available are not that good. And they're not going to be worth how much you have to put into it unless you already have one unshakable. And then it's kind of cool to get to upgrade. I hope there's a special card design for this, but I can't imagine that there would be. I kind of think it might end up making these cards look like they might not even be like the icon card type anymore. They might have an Evo card type. And to me, that's an L. I want my icons to stick out and look cool. So this Evo, the more and more that I look at it, it has a lot of hype because it's the first time we can Evo an icon, but it seems mid. Guys, here's the crazy thing. Root Hullets, Winter Wild Cards icon card, fits all the requirements for this Evo. If this Evo were to allow all types of icons to be evolved, if you did this SBC like I did, he technically fits the requirements, right? Max 89 rated his pace is below 86. He's got the shooting minimum met. And his passing and physical do not go above 91 for passing and 87 for physical. He fits the evolution, but he's not a base icon. So I don't believe he'll be able to be fit. And also on a cheaper budget, Verone. I believe that 87 dynasties Verone, you get a dynamic image out of this. He fits the Evo as well for stats, but he actually doesn't fit it because it's not a base icon. Guys, it's such a cool concept, man. Like when the hero upgrade came out, just to mention that again, it was so cool to see an opportunity to upgrade a hero into something better. But that evolution as well wasn't even that insane. Like the Robbie Keane, Park Ji Sung, that one was okay. Some people put, I think, bomb past or maybe Captavia into that Evo. But like with icons, everything with icons is like heroes are here and icons are here. There's so much hype with it, but I just think it's going to end up being an L, guys. With the way that it looks, the cards that are available based off the leaks, with the stats that they put in there, guys, there are so many icons that are like one stat off, like base icons. Like Petit, who I was looking at, who I traded with yesterday, if Petit had one higher shooting, he would fit the evolution, but he doesn't because he doesn't, he has 77 shooting instead of 78, right? There's so many examples like that. It's like this evolution is specifically crafted to take out so many players that would fit and that would be really good, except maybe a shooting stat or the physical stat or maybe even the pace stat, right? Especially if a lot of the defenders is making them ineligible for this evolution. So it's a bit, I guess, disappointing to see that. Now, when's it going to drop? I guess there's a shout that it could drop today, but I'm not expecting it today. Probably on the weekend, right? We've seen on the weekend a lot of these evos dropped recently, so I would expect that. Also, a lot of people have been buying and selling these icons. If you look at the popular page on Footbin, there's some icons in here that don't fit. Fernando Torres, he's got too much pace. He doesn't fit. Lam, he doesn't have enough shooting. He doesn't fit. Eto, no way he fits, right? 92-pace, 90 shooting. But a lot of people have been thinking that some of these cards do fit, like Zambrata doesn't fit as well. And he was a card that people were so excited to evo. But, you know, the leaks determine that these cards don't fit and their prices have started to come down a lot. So there's a lot of confusion on what cards fit. But once again, based off this leak, there's only like 26 icons that fit, and that's why it is disappointing. So maybe Friday, maybe today, since it doesn't look like that stick of an evo, it actually could drop. We'll have to see. We'll be watching out for that. But that's the crazy icon leaks, man. And that is the craziness that's going on in this game right now. I'm disappointed that it's not as cool as it maybe could be. But there will be more opportunities to evo those cards in the future. Now, let's take a look at some other big news related to versus, right? We have a confirmed team, too, right? We didn't know. It doesn't say Team 1 here in the game, but on the website it does. It looks like there is going to be cards and packs for this next week. And maybe still, we don't know, maybe EA is going to try to run a Team of the Year warm-up series promo alongside of FC Versus. That's something they usually do the week before Team of the Year. So that is still a bit unknown. I guess a loading screen would kind of confirm that and we'll figure that out probably a little bit more today on Thursday. But I want to show you guys some of the leaked players that are coming into packs tomorrow on Friday. First of all, Rodgery, which is like, wait a second. A lot of people are putting Rodgery in their Team of the Year votes. So does this mean Rodgery's not getting a Team of the Year? You would think maybe, but it's really unknown. Like there's no rules that said that Rodgery could get a Versus card and then could also get a Team of the Year or couldn't get a Team of the Year right after that. It's very possible. But in my opinion, it would be likely that he's not in Team of the Year if he's in this promo. Even though this promo is before the Team of the Year vote is over, I don't know. There's a lot of times, I can't think of an example in my head where there's been a card that's got a promo card right before Team of the Year and then also had a Team of the Year. That just doesn't make sense for what EA would want to do, especially for fans of this player that want to buy packs to get the card, right? So I would maybe think that Rodgery's not in Team of the Year, but who knows? This could be an interesting card. Maybe they position change him to center back to an outside. I don't know. I'm curious. Right with these Fire and Ice versions, you get different play styles, play style pluses and all that. We have Rutiger as well. Will they transfer him from one of them being the center back? One be a left back or a right back? Maybe one be a center defensive mid. Who knows? A Rutiger set of promo cards for Fire or Ice Team 2 as well. And Tamori. Some banger center backs here. Rutiger and Tamori. Those could be pretty nice cards as well. Again, probably defensive CDM. I'm not sure what positions they'll do, but those are player leaks that we have right now for upcoming versus cards. Some other ones. We've got ourselves a Marcus Rashford, probably the headline player, a promo card for Rashford. Maybe a striker version. Maybe a center attacking mid version. Please give a week foot upgrade to at least one of them. This is going to be the headline of the promo. It's going to be very, very expensive. Kind of like, I guess the name are, of Team 1 or maybe the Shunmen Sun. Going to be over a million coins. Maybe even two million coins. Who knows? Depending on how good the upgrade is, depending upon the versions that they give him with the Fire and the Ice. So Rashford is getting another promo card. And so is, well, not. This is the first version for Felix. Felix is getting a promo card as well. If these, like, these are obviously predicted stats, but those stats look really, really cracked. This could be cool. Joe Felix, maybe one's a wing. Maybe one's a cam or a striker for him. And that is a pretty big name card to be leaked as well. Especially think about all the Barca links that are going to be coming out. That Gavi SBC, it's still the SBC we think would come out on Friday. Big player name SBC. A lot of Barca links. Potentially be watching for those to rise a little bit if the SBC is good. It's all going to depend on the price of the SBC for Gavi. So yeah, keep that in mind as well. And we did actually have one more team of the year icon leak yesterday, Mia Ham. So we have Ham9 and R9, both going to be in packs for team of the year, which is pretty crazy. So right now, those are all the leaks of players that are going to be coming Friday. Of course, Mia Ham will be a part of team of the year, not coming Friday for versus team two. Watch out for more versus team two leaks coming very soon, because I would 100% expect to see more names dropped pretty soon today on this game. Now let's talk about the market a little bit. Yesterday with things being so slow, before we get to the player of the month leak and the end of an era, yeah, end of an era leak, we're going to talk about that. Before we get to that, let's talk market a bit, because today's Thursday, division rivals rewards days have been pretty good to the market in the past couple of weeks.  Sold a couple at 2.5 to 2.7K. I mean, fodder right now is just doing its thing, man. 83 is 1.2 to 1.3K. 84s are like 2.2 to 2.3. Yes, we have rivals rewards today. I think that honestly just fills people's clubs up with more of that low tier gold fodder they maybe need to go do an 84 times 5, to go do an 83 plus team of the week, right? And what do those require? 82, 83 rated squads. I think that the 82s to 83s to 84s and 5s can go up a little bit more today even with marquee matchups and that tradeable supply. They may take a slight hit after content drop, but I think they should do good. Fodder should stay up and inflated until we get to tomorrow at 6pm. So sometime between, you might even be able to hold fodder all the way into Friday morning, because I think Friday of last week, fodder prices went up a little bit right before they started to drop off. So whatever you want to do with fodder is up to you. Fodder has been so low. If you bought 84s for under 1.8K, I'm going to hold probably a lot of my 84s because if they go back that low again on the weekend which they could, I'll just buy more, right? It's more of the higher tier stuff that I would maybe consider selling. Maybe an 88.  You can probably get 23-24K on lazy list things with these 84s. 89s, you can probably get 39,000 coins. They're like 37-38 right now.  And yeah, I mean those cards probably don't go back below 55K on the weekend in my opinion.  I'm lazy listing these for like 65-67K, a couple of like 64-63. And yeah, that is crazy, crazy profit for 90 rated with only one SBC dropping, an icon pack dropping earlier, or icon pick dropping on Sunday making these cards go up and just the other SBCs that are out really, really crazy rise on those cards. But fodder should be pretty steady I think today. I'm not expecting lightning rounds today. If they didn't drop lightning rounds yesterday, they would drop more global limit lightning round packs today on Thursday as well. So if you're trying to trade today, I know a lot of you guys are like, Nate, how can I grind the market? I would look again at low budget. I'm saying it all time, all the time right now but the low budget stuff continues to be the move. Hop on bids and just use footbin. Footbin is your best friend for fluctuation trades. This Ansu Fati is a great card to trade with, right? He goes between like just under 200,000 coins like 205 every day he hits and then he goes back up to 220, which right now looks like he's about 215 but you hop on bids like this, start price of 198. I might be able to catch this on a low bid at like 203 or 204 and then I can sell that card for like 220 to 225. Maybe even some of these cards go up a little bit extra because there's more gameplay demand today on Thursday for the cup, right? And of course, weekend league qualifiers. I feel like a lot of people play weekend league qualities on Thursdays and that would be probably the main source of demand in the market and for team buying today. Now, you saw me bid on an Ascentio here for 14K with a chem style. Should you try to invest in any of the versus cards because yeah, people are still going to be playing the cup today and I think after rivals rewards there could be a little bit of a rise. I definitely don't think these guys go more than like 20K. Maybe like, honestly, I'm buying these Ascentios. I bought two of them under 14,000 coins. He started to go back up a little bit just because I think maybe I can lazy sell them for like 17 to 18,000 coins because people are playing the cup. But like we talked about early in the week, every single day that goes by there's less and less people that are playing the cup so there's technically less and less demand for these cards. So just be very careful with them as you're trading with them, as you're flipping with them. I know they go out of packs, but this is not a promo team that I would really think about right now wanting to invest in for an out of packs investment even as we head into the weekend. Like at the very best opportunity you have these cards going up during the weekend for a day or two or three before then we hit next week with team of the year news, team of the year on the doorstep leaks about who's in the team, leaks about what other content's going to be coming out for SBCs, for, you know, upgrade packs, people draining coins into upgrade packs to save those packs for team of the year. Next week could get really interesting and there should be some more panic. So I don't think that I look at this promo team and say, oh yeah, I would like to invest with team of the year being literally right in front of us, but also at the same time, for some of the lower tier cards, I mean, a lot of us are thinking that we're not going to invest. These cards are really rare. So like a guy like Ramos, he's rare. Maybe there's quick flipping opportunities, but maybe there is somebody like the Ascentio. Maybe there is somebody on the lower budget like Spinazola or maybe even somebody like the left back Comma Vinga, right? You never know. A card like that could go up 20K on the weekend, but is it worth the risk right now? I'm going to stick to the lower tier stuff and stick to the stuff that is out of packs like winter wild cards, radio actives, ultimate dynasties and all that sort of stuff for the most part and make sure that it's cheap for what I look to buy. Now, let's take a little bit of a look at what content could be today as well with some of those leaks involved. Always on Thursdays, what do we expect? Right, say with me, Marquis matchups. Last week we had a Mega Pack in Marquis matchups which was kind of cracked and Torino and Napoli players did go up right after content. So watching here again, they never fixed this. Remember this last week on Thursday? It was team overall rating minimum 18? It's still there. So we'll see if they draw up an 18 overall minimum squad for one of those today. That'll be interesting. Marquis matchups will watch the packs. It'll bring in a little bit of tradable supply. Maybe some cards move on the market for that. One of the last refresh days for the 84 times five, I guess we have one day 13 hours to get these done. So these will go away on Friday. So make sure you get those done for the last couple of times. The 85 plus player pick going to go away as well. Crafting upgrade and the 81 double, or crafting upgrades still there, 81 double is not. So I'm not expecting a big day today, but we still have player SBCs that we're expecting, right? A flashback player SBC is still on the cards. We still have an icon player SBC. It's either going to come between today and Sunday. So we're watching out for that as well. We don't have any leaks for an icon player SBC or for maybe who another versus player SBC would be. What we have is the Gavi leak. Of course, we have the Wellbeck, which I don't know if they forgot about Wellbeck. He's the flashback player we're expecting, but no idea where he's going to be and when he's going to be dropped. I do think we almost have to get a player SBC today though. I just don't know who it will be. Now, one card that I don't think that it will be, but it was leaked for upcoming content this weekend is Solanki has one player of the month. You know, deserved. I'm going to say that 100% deserved. I hope EA juiced this card up. He has an 86-rated in form that's three-star, three-star, and he doesn't have that many traits, but hopefully they juice this card up and give him either a weak foot or a skill move upgrade or both and they make it cheap. So over Shunmin's son, over Cold Palmer, over Trent Alexander Arnold, Solanki one player of the month with six goals. Man, I tell you guys a lot with these player of the month votes, the goals count so much. Even though Sun had eight goal contributions, he had four goals and four assists. Six goals alone outweighs that and probably the month that Bournemouth had as well. That's how he wins the award. So Solanki one player of the month. SBCs for these are usually dropped on Fridays, but EA did not say that it's in their content for this week, but I think this is going to drop on Friday. I think they may be messed up. So either this Friday or next Friday for a player of the month Solanki, but hopefully it's cheap, kind of like the Harry Maguire was. They give him a nice boost and make it cheap. That's my hope for this Solanki. And then also yesterday, we had an end of an era leak and FIFA trading Romania tweeted this out and said end of an era French card. And he said soon and right away, my mind went to, since I'm a Totten fan, went to Ugo Yoris and a lot of people seem to think that this may be who is getting an end of an era card because he is announcing that he's moving on from Spurs. He's headed to the MLS. And if Ugo Yoris were to get a end of an era card, that would be a pretty nice goalkeeper SBC that you would probably want to do, especially if he is released as a Totten McCard. You don't know right now still his impacts as a Totten McCard. Usually they don't start to add transferred players in until like February. So I'm not entirely sure how it's going to work, but Yoris is a solid goalkeeper card all year long. And of course, this one would be upgraded probably pretty high. They do nice boosts for end of an era cards. Remember the Rapinoe, the Krieger that from earlier on this year, pretty solid boosted cards. He's a French Prem goalkeeper. Those links are always in demand and they will fit almost anybody's team. So if that is a good SBC in terms of the boost that he gets and the price, that could be a good one as well. So I think we're getting some sort of player SBC today on Thursday 100% and then marquee matchups. And then maybe guys, I guess a little bit of a shout for this evolution that would be called the icon evolution. I don't know what else they would call it. But yeah, I mean, that icon evolution is crazy, man. I just think it's going to end up being disappointing. And I think from what I remember from the hero upgrade as well, that one was a bit disappointing. But this one feels like it maybe is going to hit a little bit harder and be even more disappointing just because there's so few icons that fit into it. And man, if they just adjusted the requirements a little bit a lot more would fit. Like I was so hoping. Imagine for all of us that did the Blanc SBC imagine if you could evo this Blanc, right? How far off is he from getting involved? I mean, all we would need is the minimum shooting to be not there anymore and you could evo him.  But like I would upgrade my Blanc to get 81 pace and to get better passing and a little bit better dribbling. His defending is 90 sweet, boosting up his physical by plus two. Sure, sign me up. Like this is a club legend for so many people and a ton of people have been their clubs. Does that be crazy if we were able to evolve him? But it's looking like we're not going to be able to. And if somehow EA mess up that evo and they allow all icon types, this root Hulitz going straight in. If I can upgrade this card through an evo at any time, he's going into it because this card is absolutely mental in game. I love this root Hulitz card. I know he's overpriced, but he's so, so good. I feel like it's worth it in a sense because of how crazy his card is. So guys, that's kind of the content for today. Probably going to be a bit quiet, but hopefully we get a little bit more today than yesterday because yesterday we literally just had the team a leak and that was it. But if you enjoyed today's video, drop a thumbs up on a comment below if you have any questions and subscribe if you're new. I will see you guys in the Twitch stream. Today we'll be talking about all the stuff, more looking at all the leaks. As always, that link is down below in the description. I'll see you guys there. It's been Nathan with Accounting. Catch you guys there. Peace. Out.


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you can see me it's weird i'm in camo you shouldn't be able to see me right now don't even talk to me hey welcome back to our stupid reaction units corbin i'm rick and you can follow us on instagram i'm a twitter talk about juicy content it's so juicy think we'll sell some patreon follow official twitter account ring the bell to be part of the notification squad back now and follow on us on our personal youtube channels we each have one you can follow us there as well for more juicy content it drips it flows it tastes pretty nice it moves me bob and today uh we are doing a movie review rick what movie did you watch i watched the world according to gark ah well i watched a different one let's see if we can match the two reviews i'm sure it'll be the same review uh we reviewed i wait no we we are reviewing uh yeah the review is already done by everybody tallsvar right i believe i believe that's how you pronounce it um it's a 2015 film uh starring earfun con it's more of a honestly it's more of a ensemble piece than just a strict star piece correct but he's he's supporting actually wouldn't you say yeah yeah i'd say so yeah there's really no clear cut star anyway uh directed by say your name directed by uh megan bullsvar we've seen her work multiple times yes uh and uh razi uh adricium and what was what was the other one that was really really good oh yeah uh the most recent one is tripak yeah that's right uh we who we like her every single time we've seen a film of hers she's a really really talented director really good director uh very good director but yeah and you want to read the synopsis for me real quick sure uh i think that's the whole let me see is it the whole thing oh my stars no uh you want me to just read the one sentence synopsis okay yeah i clicked on synopsis and what it opened up was an entire novel an experienced investigator confronts several conflicting theories about the perpetrators of a violent double homicide that is a good synopsis don't you think yes and it was a yeah definitely a murder mystery uh and based off obviously a true story that i'm sure all you know and i'm sure it was like uh in the news all the time something we're going into completely and utterly just not know i didn't know anything right you didn't know anything didn't know a thing about this yeah didn't know a thing about it uh so we are coming in with that so everything we're going to be saying is based off what the film showed us right uh and i and i've done i've done some research since because i was talking with indrani about it and you know she obviously is well aware and was paying attention to the news and what was going on at the time so i i wanted to find out as much as i could and see how much of what the movie depicted was actually what you know how well they did because it's a true story and i always feel that way we talk about that the the accuracy of the true story but even more important i wanted to see um what really happened yeah and this was written produced and composed by the lovely and talented vichal bardoise uh yes the lovely and talented for sure we you know we love him but i did read that he and the director wanted to keep this uh as unbiased as possible they just wanted to present the facts uh and that's what we that's what they tried to put on screen and so i'm sure you all know this story but just in case you don't go watch the film come back yeah here come the spoilers let's go see it and come back i'm assuming you all know about this story so it's like uh it's one of those things but rick initial thoughts well just as a whole let's just talk about because we're going to talk about two things obviously we're going to talk about the film itself and the artistry of the film and then we're going to talk about the bigger more important thing this actual case so as a film i thought i like this as much as i like some of the other films we've seen that are comparable to it like razi like pink like badla that are the the kind of crime dramas that are digestible for a western audience that have a really nice clip that still have the generic indian connection to it but our one of those movies we would easily recommend to friends and family and it's freaking irfan khan what more can you say he's always magnificent always magnificent irfan and uh near near niraj niraj kabi who everything we've seen him in has been super phenomenal uh my respect for him just goes up up up with each new thing we see of him yeah he's so so talented so so uh believable and everything irfan you know you know we love him but he has this way of he's not like he's not a character actor i would not classify irfan as a character but every single one of his character seems different but he doesn't play it that different but they all seem different which is which is quite impressive because normally like i think like actors normally like an irfan who they don't normally change their voice they don't normally go under a lot of uh cosmetics uh i'm like they usually play the same characters and i'm like okay they're good but they're not my favorite irfan has a way of almost playing like he doesn't change his voice or anything like that so that's what i'm saying but all of his characters seem extremely different yeah which is a testament to because i know your preference your personal preference for actors are shape shifters yeah that for you that is the quintessential the ones you respect the most the ones you emulate the actor that you are and you typically aren't as impressed with people so it is a testament and it's a worthy a worthy accolade that you respect and love the guy so much when he is so similar across the board but you're right he's similar but different yeah it's it's it's that impressive because i don't think i've seen that very often if at all in terms of somebody who can do that so it was really impressive i thought his character was really well done i thought a lot of the writing vishal and the other writers gave him was very funny he had a lot of little funny quips like especially with him and his wife like when they were trying to get a divorce uh and then who we should mention those of you know it's of course it's to do who's playing his idea yeah and of course she was amazing uh they're they're just they're they're the onscreen couple they have to be married and yeah exactly they're incredible uh i love that but i did really enjoy this film because it was one like i said coming into it knowing nothing obviously i didn't see any news stories it's not like you know a comparable thing would be like we watched oh not we'd watch but i know the story of oj simpson even though i didn't watch it i know that story and what all happened everybody knows what happened in that story what you didn't see the oj simpson trial series i saw the series yes oh okay okay you mean the actual trial yes i didn't see the actual trial and everything that went down but the all of america saw that uh and and knew what went down and so they had all their their points so i'm just coming at this strictly from a movie basis and we're just i'm just juggling off the film they kept you enticed the entire time i loved how she directed it in terms of when they showed when they thought they had a lead and then they recreated what they thought in their mind was happening and what happened in the murder uh i thought that was really really great in terms of like showing how each the dad killed her and how the dad killed him and how the how the servants friends killed him and so all those different things i like that that they kind of almost framed it in that way and it kept it really interesting because every like 15 minutes it was another lead and another lead and another lead so it's definitely a film that's once like you said very digestible for a western audience you could just sit down and be like this is entertaining i want to know i want to know who did it and they didn't really give you that satisfaction in the end uh no uh they didn't they because obviously this case is not the same i believe the parents are now released uh from jail um because this evidence was circumstantial which in america it's like it's such a foreign concept how you can send somebody to jail when the evidence is circumstantial regardless of if you think they did it or not an american under the law you have to have hard evidence in order to send somebody to jail and convict them it's so it was almost hard for me i'm like wait hold on you just said it's circumstantial but now you're sending them to jail how does that make any sense but obviously the larger picture was them trying to paint a view of a lot of the law enforcement not all i'm not saying obviously we don't know all the law enforcement but a picture of the corrupt law enforcement in india and how he oftentimes sometimes they'll mess up something and then try to cover up their mess ups to fit the picture so they don't look bad as well and so that's obviously the story i felt like they were trying to portray and i thought they did a good job at it i thought it was a really really entertaining film yeah i thought it was a really entertaining film i find it interesting that the circumstantial evidence was enough to put the mom and dad in jail but the circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to put the other guy yeah in jail yeah and i've done it's weird go ahead no i was just gonna say it's weird yeah as is um and yeah we this film could never make a blanket statement about law enforcement uh anywhere in the same way the oj simpson trial doesn't give you a blanket statement about all law enforcement in the united states it was specific to the los angeles police department yeah this is specific to this region yeah i'll tell you this uh if this had been scripted as a fiction for the screen i would have been angry at the writers for making the cops so inept that it was unbelievable yeah right that is how awful law enforcement was at the scene yeah to even even the i wrote down in my notes when it started to rain and wash the blood off the wall it's like you don't even think to check the weather when you have an external evidence area and make sure that the rain doesn't wash the blood off the wall are you freaking kidding me right now the other thing i found out but of the 28 i think it was fingerprint samples that they acquired only 20 uh only two of the 28 were actually usable like the actual they were actually good enough to see and that press family and friends were allowed to be all over the crime scene well before they started doing their investigations and i'm guessing all that is not common practice uh i would hope not man because obviously we i don't know india's uh law enforcement or their proceedings of what in terms of police in terms of the the law itself in terms of prosecution i only know from an americans perspective and a lot of this stuff was just hard to believe that you could get away with it uh from an american mindset and i know obviously different law and different um law enforcement acts different ways around the world right but like one the fact that they could put somebody under to get them to confess uh i don't know what they were putting them under but i was like what i'm yeah i actually i'm pretty sure a lawyer would step in and be like uh no yeah in fact forcibly as well right yeah no that that i looked that up because i was intrigued about this whole narco uh questioning and it's it is legitimately a thing of like truth serum and it hasn't been done in the united states it's just never been admissible in court yeah um so uh yeah the whole prospect of that being something that's done and it not being admissible it was very unusual to me uh as and then when they said uh he asked for his lawyer but they just kept like ignoring it basically in yeah in america when you ask for a lawyer they can't ask you anything else yeah but and then on the other hand since when have we seen in a in a film depicting the police since when has it not been okay for the questioning officer to slap somebody yeah like they kick earphone's character off of the case because the other guy taped him slapping the the the guy who stutters yeah as if that's like the unforgivable sin of in being a but how many how many films have we seen depicting law enforcement and they're and being told that this is the way it works in a lot of the places i'm wondering if a lot of those films depict it and it's like you're not supposed to do this but none of these cops are going to tell on the other one it's kind of like an maybe so i don't know but i thought that was almost one of the genius parts of it because it's one of those stories that's so intriguing because so many things went wrong and so many things were done in properly it's like almost you're watching a train wreck from the police side so many things were done wrong you're like what that's real it's very much it it's a totally different kind of thing but the that level of ineptness and evidence not being like the perfect storm on the law enforcement side screwing it up was very similar to me and reminiscent of what happened to poor marcia clark with her prosecution and the witnesses and the things that happened with her prosecution basically anything that could possibly go wrong for her went wrong and it's a shame because in in court united states court indian court most courts it's not about right and wrong it's about who can prove the evidence it's who can win the the evidential case in the story yeah and it was so weird when they were in court and they were like you can't dismiss this case charge them and the the judge was like i was like what i know what what what are you even talking about you're a judge i know uh so that was that was quite strange um but the uh yeah i thought the film itself was really really really good and and really entertaining um and i i thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed it uh and i would definitely recommend this to people to watch even if you're an american wanting to watch like a uh and it'd be an easy watch i think for most americans absolutely easy watch and i think would be a great introduction one of the first films that you could recommend to american audiences to see in terms of getting an understanding of how much we're similar and also how much we're different in terms of just law enforcement and investigation procedures and but and then ultimately for me i just i couldn't escape i'm sure you're the same i couldn't escape the fact that throughout this story we're dealing with a mom and a dad and a murdered 14 year old daughter yeah and if they're innocent yeah they not only had to go through finding their murdered daughter yep being tried in the media in ways that were character destroying going to jail and having to go through all of the investigative process as the accused and then actually serving jail time and thinking you may be imprisoned for life if they're innocent can you imagine what that was like for them to have to go through yeah because if this if everything like this happened like it did in india but it was in america everything would have been thrown out immediately when i went to court like yeah there wouldn't have been a trial yeah we couldn't have done it because of what the police did like you get they would have been off whoever the murderer was unless they could come up with new evidence would have gone off scott free which is obviously what happened because we don't we still don't know who the murderer was uh it could have been the parents but obviously that evidence uh wasn't there uh but they served time regardless of it um it you don't know if it was the servants you don't know who it was because the they dubbed the uh the i think earphone said it was like they you would have solved this in 15 minutes if you would have done things correctly correct and it would have been here if it had been gone to trial which i agree with you it would have never gone to trial if it had gone to trial you would never get a verdict you'd have a hung jury because there would be so much that they would say we cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this took place with anybody being convicted now when you look at everything as far as the evidences that were there and botched an inadmissible and the narco testing do you have a feeling or a sense or an opinion as to what actually did happen or do you feel you corbin aren't in a position to make a decision as to who you think did it i don't think i am because one also even though i think they tried to be unbiased it was definitely in the the favor of the parents this was told in the favor of the parents uh we just makes it cinematic of course obviously um because you know you're rooting for like how these they just lost if they're innocent you know they just like you said they just lost their kid uh and so obviously i know why they did that um but it was told from even though they tried to say unbiased it was told from a bias i feel like uh in terms of the parents and so i agree i don't know a slight a slight bite i'm not saying it was like totally like they're off scot-free but they uh it could have very well been them i was just presented with the evidence that almost says it obviously wasn't them um and so i don't know i the this one the servant's friends seem pretty likely but i like i said i can't really say why do you have a do you have a theory i had an opinion when it was done that is clearly based on my own bias and i'm certain is based on the slant of the film which was when i the minute the movie was over my feeling was the parents were innocent and the servants uh the young man who they depicted as the potential murderer well was the actual one then when i did research and spent some time and looked at what some of the facts are about everything which by the way they did a pretty freaking good job Vishal Bardwaj did a really good job of presenting to us what we know based on the research that i did granted i just took a day big deal but based on what i saw he did it exceptionally this because too often films depicting true stories give you stuff that didn't happen because they're gonna they're gonna dramatize it for you and and hollywood eyes it you know what i mean and he didn't do that he didn't do that based on what i read and based on what i read and based on what the way the film depicted it i have a very strong feeling a strong opinion i don't say there's enough evidence to prove it but my strong feeling is that it was that young man who was a friend of the servant that it wasn't the mom and dad it was that guy and there's there's stuff there's stuff they didn't put in the film okay that's part of that's part of the evidence that was not submitted but was done by some of the forensics experts that if you look it up and i think one of the reasons they didn't put it in was because of the the um censorship board oh stupid censorship board yeah and based on what i read and but again it's just like i'm confident oj simpson went a hundred percent killed nicole brown simpson no glove didn't fit rick you gotta quit the glove didn't fit it was clearly too small rick you can't wear gloves that are too small and and ron goldman and ron goldman yeah and that was another thing if you guys haven't watched that it's on netflix watch the oj simpson trial they did a and i was there i lived the i lived in los angeles and i was on the phone with my dad multiple times during the case when they read the verdict i followed it like everybody else did netflix did a spectacular job it's a great doing that series great great series great great yeah i i thoroughly enjoyed watching that series just like i thoroughly enjoyed watching this this was a great film yep great movie hats off to the director me uh say her name i don't know how to pronounce it yes i'm looking at it to make sure i don't do it just for memory and butchered uh me getting that bulls are yeah phenomenal job as always i mean everything we've seen her do has been really good work uh and so she's a she's a supremely talented director not that she needs me to say that for her and obviously the entire cast yeah like i i don't think we talked about yeah i didn't like yeah there was some supporting actors that i wasn't fans of but they were on screen for like a couple seconds so i was like yeah whatever throw them away uh other than that it was it was like for the type of film it was trying to be which was like a almost a murder mystery i did a phenomenal job and i i i would recommend this film to uh and visual bard watches um score was perfect because this is the kind of film where you don't want the score to become part of the storytelling you want it to be part of just the background and give you a feeling and i felt like his score was you know like everything the guy does he just knows how to make movies he knows how to make movies yeah it'd be fair to say we love visual bardoche uh anyways uh let us know which film we should watch next down below from hindi uh tollywood colliewood malolium morothy uh psalm uh uh canada yeah canada whatever industry we want to watch good films so recommend them to us down below


Hello and welcome. So glad to have you back here. It's another episode of the nonprofit show, but it's not just another episode. It's a special one. So glad to have Michael Buckley with us today with the kilo group. Hello from the kilo group here for the nonprofit show on the thought leadership episode. So Michael's going to share with you about how you can leverage your board members at your events.  We have not had a dedicated conversation around this, Michael. So we are so honored to have you here and to impart your, your wisdom with us. So hello also to Julia Patrick, CEO of the American nonprofit Academy. She had this wonderful idea to create this platform. She thought it was going to stick around for two weeks. And again, well, well beyond that, but so glad that we have this platform for conversation. And I'm honored to be able to serve alongside you, Julia. I'm Jarrett Ransom, her personal nonprofit nerd. I can be yours too. 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So Michael, so excited to have you here in the green room chatter before we started talking, I had mentioned how it's almost our year anniversary of meeting. You and I connected at the Association of Fundraising Professionals Conference in Las Vegas and it's coming up soon in New Orleans and I understand that I'll see you there. I will be there. I can't wait. Awesome. Well, hey, so excited to have you back. Again, for our viewers and our listeners, Michael Buckley serves as the Managing Partner Fundraising Team Lead at the Killow Group and we have his website address here as well. It's the Killow Group that's spelled K-I-L-L-O-E group.com. Check him out on so many great information. But if you would, Michael, tell us a little bit about yourself and a little bit about your company. Well, thanks and obviously thanks for the opportunity to be here and to connect on a topic that I really love, love talking about. But I'm a career professional fundraiser and I recently can officially say that I've been professionally fundraising longer than I haven't been. So I don't know if that's good or bad. I think that's fantastic. But I started at I started at four. So that that really helps that number. But I spent about 20 years as a professional practitioner and high rad and in the end, wealth or space and then branched into doing some consulting work, which much to to the comment about this show lasting two weeks. I thought the consulting thing would be a little interim thing while I figured out what my next path was. But fortunately, it's just really grown. So part of the team at the Killow Group, a nonprofit consulting firm really helping organizations to grow from good to great. And that involves everything from strategic planning to feasibility studies and capital campaigns and really just getting your fundraising house in order. So we're we are passionate and we're fortunate that we have clients across the country and now even into Canada. So we're really excited about partnering with organizations up there. But I think it all comes back to the basics of fundraising. I think some of what we're going to talk about today really speaks to that. You know, it's so interesting. We put so much pressure on the board to do certain things. You know, one of those first and foremost is that fundraising component. However, that looks looks different for so many different organizations. But one of the things that we are seeing and we were talking about this in the green room chatter. Man, we're all back in the saddle when it comes to the rubber chicken dinner circuit. And you know now that COVID is is you know, moving in a different direction. We're seeing these events come up. Some of them are the exact same as they always were. Some are different, but one of the things that's not different is that we do have our boards and we have our board members not necessarily knowing or being deployed. Maybe that's the right word being deployed and you've come up with a really interesting process or methodology called the quick method. We're going to go through it, but talk to us about what the ecosystem of this and how did you come up with this? So I think most like most good ideas like come out of a place of frustration and seeing, you know, both as a practitioner and that as a consultant seeing board members at special events and them talking about how much fun they're having or how much how much fun we as the staff and consultants must be having. And I think anyone who's planned more than one special event in their life knows they're really not as much fun for the staff as they are for anybody else or for the attendees. So for me, it sort of came out of a place of what job can I actually give board members to get them involved? And I, you know, we'll talk about the details later, but I have a job description. I'm happy to share with anybody who reaches out and we'll get to you guys to share with your viewers as well. That gives very specific expectations about what people should be doing at the special events. And the thing is not all your board members are going to do this. And I think it's really important to point out that that's okay. You know, you've got board members on your board who are really good at finance. You've got board members on your board who are really good at governance. But for those people who are good at connecting and interacting with people at special events, you've got to give them a job and tell them what they're going to do and hold them accountable for that. I love that. So we're going to dive into this quick method and for those of you listening, it's Q U I C C K and you're going to learn more about that here. So Michael take us through the first one we have here qualify. What does that mean? Yeah, so I think there are five things as you said that every board member should do and not necessarily in the order we're going to present them. The reason why it works that way is because it makes a cute little word and and that helps. But I think board members should be responsible for qualifying some people in attendance and and there's a lot of backward that should go into this. We should be talking about who's coming to the event. Why are they there? And this is really the director of development or executive director or some staff person's responsibility to to figure it out. But every board member should be able to qualify should have two qualification questions ready in their arsenal when they connect with people and it doesn't have to be crazy and in depth and and really well thought out and you think about some of the most basic qualification questions of why did you come today? You know, why are you at this event? What do you what do you love about our mission? What's your connection to this mission? So just getting your board members to have two or three qualification questions in the back of their pocket ready to go and to connect with people at the event when they're asked excuse me, I should say connect with specific people at the event. So when they're going around and finding Julia or finding their folks that they're assigned to as you're in a conversation being able to have some two good qualification questions to keep that conversation going. You know, I love that and I bet that when you go through this quick concept, a lot of board members will be like, wow, I never thought of that. And you know, it's not what I love about this, Michael, is it? It's not just for an event. It's how a board member should be. Absolutely. It's it's really organic and it's natural. It's not stressful. Talk to us about your next point on the quick method and that is to inform. What does that look like? So I think that is to your point about, you know, regardless of the special event or not for every board member should be able to inform. I think you want or as part of this method, we want board members to have two or three outcomes based pieces of information about the organization that are true to its mission and that have some quantitative item to it. So a lot of times in animal welfare, we talk about number of adoptions. Did you know last year or organization adopted out 2,000 companion animals? Make it specific so that you can engage in that conversation. I think really, as I said in the opening, so much of this for me at least came out of a point of frustration when board members were saying to me, well, I didn't know what to say. Okay, now you know exactly what to say. And not only is it factual and outcomes based and true to our mission and all those really exciting nerdy things, Jared, that we talk about in the nonprofit space, but they are designed to elicit a conversation so that people don't feel like they're just walking over and saying, did you know we adopted out 2,000 animals and then running away from the conversation? So this is more than just the rephrasing of the elevator speech or our mission line. This is more of a data point. It's a data point. And look, the thing about it, the method that we use is to make sure that it's a data point that resonates with the person who has this job. So if you're the board special event ambassador and you are really passionate about this particular program, make sure that person can speak to that program. It's okay. I think so often board members and even staff get overwhelmed by, well, I don't know everything about the organization. Spoiler alert, nobody knows everything about the organization. So be able to speak to things that you're passionate about, but make sure their outcomes based so you're bringing attendees right at the end of the day. You want attendees to become close to your organization and continue that relationship. What better way to do it than in person with a knowledgeable board member? You know, Michael and and so what if we don't know all the answers? That gives us another opportunity to talk to that person, have a follow-up conversation. That's a win-win to me. Absolutely. And I think too, like I'm not a finance person, but in every time, every experience where somebody has said to me, oh, well, tell me about your, I don't know, again, I know nothing about finance, but tell me something about blank, you know, having to your finances. When you engage your finance committee chair, your board treasurer, even your CFO, they're speaking each other's language and they're already connecting. While me, you know, I don't, I don't know what P&L stands for. Yeah, we don't want to talk about P&L and gaps and all of that. No, no, no, no. I am curious, Michael, would you recommend that we nonprofit leader, you know, talk to the board members in advance of every single event? Or is this like a broad stroke annually? Or should we have a little gathering prior? No, I think it's a specific effort right before a major special event.  And again, it's not for every board member. You'll have some board members who don't want to do this and if they don't want to do it, you don't want them to do it, but give them a job description, give them clear expectations and then give them the tools to actually do it and to perform well.  So I just think this is fantastic and yeah, very tangible, you know, it makes it, it makes it easier, I think for the board members to know their responsibility at the event. Okay, so take us to the first seat we have here, which is cultivate of the quick method. What does cultivate mean? So just like qualify, it's just part of the, you know, the the prospect management system we all use, having some qualification questions in your back pocket, but also having some cultivation questions in your back pocket, you know, asking people my favorite cultivation question is if money was no object, what would you want our organization to do having one or two of those in the back of your pocket that you can help bring that conversation because you know, at the end of all this, there is some follow-up. So we're going to ask our board special event ambassadors to report out to you as the development person or the executive director and find out some things. Again, the idea here is to get your your attendees at events to become closer to your organization. Imagine how impactful and frankly awesome it would be if you asked somebody that question and they said, you know, I'd love to build a new building and gee, I have the money to do it. And of course, it's not going to be that simple, but you're getting information, you're gathering information. So having some cultivation questions in the back of your pocket that are specific to your organization and specific to your your own interests that you can ask and actually be intelligently, you know, conversive with, I think is a very important. So we're having folks qualify for having folks in form and also have some folks cultivate. You know, this is great. And again, I am just I'm just drawn to the concept of the parallel that this is what our board member should be doing all the time. Yeah, get away from the bar. Get away from the bar or go to the bar first and then do this, but you can certainly do this in line as well. Okay, take us to connect. That's our next one of this quick method. Again, for those of you listening, Q U I C C K method. So connect is the second C talk talk to us about this one, Michael. So let's identify who at the event we need to connect other people with. So I think when you're in it in a room with three, four, 500 people, there are people that you want to connect. You know, you want a potential board member who may be there or a community leader to meet your board chair, your executive director. So who is that little network that you are responsible for connecting? So every board member should have all these things in their in their back pocket, but also understand if you happen to meet Jared, you really want Jared to meet Julia. So how can you make that happen? Do you know who these people are? Who can help you do that? The other, you know, not to overcomplicate the conversation, but there are, as I said, some board members who just really won't want to go into this much detail, but maybe there are some board members who can just simply connect people, you know, who can play a little bit of a matchmaker during during the event, but think about connect in the way of who do you want to connect at the event and who do you specifically because again, you're going to have a list of people that you're responsible for engaging with. Who do you want that person to be connected with in the room? Love this. I'm curious. You've served on many boards, my friend. How like how easy with this quick method have helped you during, you know, during that time or was this something that was presented to you? You know, it's really interesting. I've been thinking about more about the events that I've chaired and one of the things that I've always been stunned at how revolutionary of a concept this was, was just getting the board members to be early in the pre function space and to stand at the exit and thank the visitors as they were leaving. And so which is horrifyingly basic every single event. This should be a protocol.  I had two board members that were like, yeah, I won't do that. And I was like, are you kidding me? We're, we're trying to raise a million dollars in a night and by God, you need to be there. I mean, it was just like it's such a disconnect between what needs to go on and I don't know Michael about to your point. Do they just feel like this is a party and the hard work, you know, it doesn't. I mean, I think that is some of it, but I also want to give the benefit of the doubt to some folks and we've all had wonderful phenomenal board members and we've all had not. So I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt to all of them and just think that they truly don't know what to do. And I, and I think about, and this is a funny perhaps analogy, but, you know, when I got married and planned to help plant, well, I didn't really do much work in fairness, but when I was involved in a in a special event to which I was 50% of the attendee, you know, I even remember my now wife saying, OK, after salad, we're going to get up and we're going to thank that table and then we got to do this and we got to do that. It was like I was at my own wedding. It was basically given an itinerary and but and, you know, there's a whole joke to be made in New Orleans over that.  So let's give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they don't know what they really can do. But it's really important for board members to understand this is part of a bigger play, right? You know, this is not. We're just not doing special events because they're fun because they're not but this is part of a bigger energy and effort to bring people closer to the organization. This is just one of the many steps along the path. But this is an opportunity that like can not be missed. We when you've got people in the room and you're talking about how awesome your relationship is there is the time to engage them not two weeks later via letter. That's right. I love it too. And I could see this going forward. And maybe this is all part of the quick method. I do know that we have, you know, one more to address and then and then a little surprise to share as well. But I could see this and maybe you coach on this Michael where it's like, you know, a document that sent to the board member that has the table of the people you want them to connect. I'm taking it even further. Maybe it's like a little headshot so they know how to visually identify the person. I could just see this as, you know, again, that playbook and how it plays such a critical role in the entire ecosystem of relationship building. Yeah. And let me give you a little tip that I've used which the more I talk about my secret little tip less and less so secret that's going to be but you've got to do you've got to do name tags. Everybody has to have a name tag. They're annoying the run the risk of spelling somebody's name wrong but you have to do them and think about I've always done color-coded stars on the name tag. So if you've got multicolors on your name tag you're you're great you're wonderful but you're not special enough and then think about the same color stars or stickers or something to a connected to a particular board member. So I've got all blue stars and Jared is blue and I'm not Jared and I'm walking around I know as a board member or a staff member that I need to connect Jared with anybody who has four blue stars on their name tag. So there's a little bit of an inside inside baseball trick you can use to connect those people especially at huge major events but this is not you know this is not something board members going to walk in to the special event and Julia to your point probably not on time let alone early and hand them a piece of information this is you know this is there's a lot of prep into this you've got to make the energy and effort and I promise you will pay off. I love that secret tip and you're right it's not so secret with our international audience. Yeah, everyone's buying blue colored starts and putting them on name tags. It's cool. That's right. That's right. Okay, drive us home with the final tip of this method. Again, the quick method and we have think. Yeah, I mean it's I think it's some of the most important part. I mean regardless I mean I always say I think as a board member of the least you can do is say thank you to people but at this event if you've got you know your portfolio and let's use language with like that with our board members and we put portfolios together for our professional fundraisers let's make sure board members understand it's you've got a portfolio of people for this event make sure that these folks are being thanked and not just in a very general how thanks for coming or thanks for your support kind of way but you know as a board member Julia I was recently informed you know I just wanted to say thank you for that gift it does this it is so impactful so on and so forth so make sure it's specific and again the idea here is getting people closer and better connected to the organization you've got to put some strategy and intentionality into that I love this I and I I love that you did kind of not just say be gracious and thank people but to really drill it down and to be intentional about what that think thankfulness is I find and I'm really interested to hear the two of you comment on this I find that a lot of times there's a reticence to be specific about somebody's gift that it seems seems like oh we don't talk about the money or we don't we don't say thank you for your $50,000 gift or thank you for your generous you know endowment piece I mean Jared what do you think about that you know I can't help but thank Julia that it's all about like trusting our data right and having our development fundraising team really say like I know wholeheartedly this is the amount I've seen too many tax receipts go out that have been incorrect that I really feel that it it comes down to the accuracy of our data now if it's a singular gift but it's if it's you know a cumulative kind of of a amount I think that makes it trickier but what are you seeing in that Michael yeah no that that that just calls my PTSD inaccurate gift receipts but no I think yeah don't do cumulative don't guess don't do any of that but I think it is you know we I was actually at an event not too long ago and somebody said to me you know said to us because it was actually my my wife's under graduate alma mater that we became a member their president circle which $1,000 so we're not talking big money here but somebody said to us at the event thank you for joining thank you thank you for your first year or something like that and I thought okay they took the time to figure out who we are what we did you know and they're seeing the future I mean this is not you know these gifts are just be people are not giving you their last gift and then showing up at your special event they want to see what your organization is really all about so don't miss the opportunity to be intentional absolutely make sure it's accurate information at your point I think folks are have been led to believe that you almost have to be a little humble and people don't want acknowledgement maybe people don't want public acknowledgement and I understand that but I think people want you know the to know that the board chair or the chair of the development committee knows that they've made an impactful gift so thank early and often yeah I absolutely agree with you on that and I think that it's also to me Michael symptomatic of all of these things and that's the trajectory of being prepared and having these discussions I love that you have a job description that you you put forth and you can share that with your with your board and really talk this through people might forget they might have never thought of this it might you know help them to spurn on what it is why they're there and how they can perform I think it's brilliant another thing that's super brilliant is that the kilo group has actually a blog post about this very topic on their website you can go to the kilo group dot com K I L L O E group dot com the kilo group dot com and you can read all about this and dare I say I think this is one of those tools that you need to be sharing with your board forwarding it on yes this and today's conversation so much more to it and for those of you that have you know joined us in the very beginning I mentioned the surprise and this is it so you don't have to wait a few hours right it's here this recommended blog this has been such a lovely inspiring and like you know palatable conversation because I feel like it really again brings those tangible tools to the table for our board members to serve in that you know advocacy way so Michael from one nerve to another thank you my friend my pleasure I'll see you in Las Vegas or excuse me New Orleans and if anybody wants to gather it wants to get together and talk and create a detail I certainly would love to do it and so Michael is not just saying for a fun filled weekend he's specifically talking about the AFP icon event which the nonprofit show will actually be there broadcasting so definitely we'll be talking more about that and as the the time moves forward Michael Buckley managing partner fundraising team lead at the kilo group thank you so much I love your energy I love your very practical knowledge and process that is Jared said we can do this we need to be doing this but you remind us how how easy it is we can be doing it hey again I'm Julia Patrick CEO of the American nonprofit Academy been joined today by the nonprofit nerd herself Jared Ransom CEO of the Raven Group again we get to have these amazing conversations because of the generous support from our partners at Blumerang American nonprofit Academy your part-time controller staffing boutique fundraising Academy at National University nonprofit nerd and nonprofit thought leader these are the folks that bring it home for us and with us every day Michael I really really feel like a light bulb went off and more than anything the ability not to be so frustrated to because it's it's for me it's been like why aren't these people getting this but you brought it home in a different way and so thank you for that that would what a tremendous lesson today my pleasure it was great to be here the half hour goes so quickly I could do this all day oh good well we hope you will we hope you'll come back on as well so I will be here yeah thank you for everyone that joined us live or perhaps the recording again this will be available and all of our streaming platforms as we remind everyone every day we invite you ask you encourage you to please stay well so you can do well thanks again Michael we'll see everybody else tomorrow