Magandang Araw, mga kababayan. This is TV Ops Science Innovation Series. I'm Giselle Concepcion, a scientist and professor at the Marine Science Institute. I do research on marine drug discovery. I'm the co-host of this program and I'd like to introduce my co-host, Benji Valiejo. Benji? Good day. I'm Benji Valiejo from the Institute of Environmental Science and Meteorology of the College of Science, where I am teaching as an associate professor. And I deal with issues on biodiversity and biogeography. And concurrently, I had the Science Technology and Society program of the University of the Philippines in Dilima. Thanks, Benji. Our exciting topic for today is Benham Rice, renamed Philippine Rice. And for this topic, we have with us as guests very important faculty in the university who I would like to introduce, Radora Asansa. Hello, I'm Radora Asansa from the Marine Science Institute. I'm a marine botanist, so I work on marine plants, which is the base of the food chain in the marine environment. These are the seaweeds and the phytoplankton. Nice to see you all. Thanks, Rod. Then we have Fernando Andosiringan. Good day to all of you. I'm teaching at the Marine Science Institute. I'm a geologist, but my research is what I do at Daggett. Thank you. Now, we have Alisa Pelleo Alampai. Hi. Good day to all of you. I'm also a geologist, but I specialize in the organisms, in particular fossils, which I used to study the oceans also of the past and the present. Thank you. Thank you very much. Our guests, this is going to be a very exciting and informative discussion for our kababayans. So, let's start the ball rolling. Ando, can you tell us how the Benham rice was formed geologically? It's a volcanic feature. And if you imagine Hawaii, Hawaii is a huge volcanic feature, but set that in a deep marine setting where you have a lot of lava coming out of an almost a concentrated area. And that going on for several million years, that led basically to the formation of what we're calling Benham Plateau. On top of that plateau, there are volcanic edifices. The biggest and the feature that comes to the shallowest depth is the Philippine rice. Benham rice. Interesting topic there, the biodiversity of Benham rice. Because when I look back, this is probably the largest coral reef that we did a survey in the whole of the Philippines. So, I'm just going to ask these students, how different is it from the other coral reefs in the Philippines? The shallowest part is 50 meters. The divers would be able to access depths of 20 meters, sometimes they go down to 30 meters. But this is 50 meters. So, for conventional divers, it's limited to the time that they can go down to the bottom. In your question earlier, what is there? Based on the surveys that were done by researchers funded by DOST, a joint group from UP Deliman from the Marine Science Institute, and from UP Los Baños, their description, where they show that there are places where you have 100% coral cover. Now, in shallow coral reefs, we almost no longer see that kind of coral cover. So, that's a big difference. Second, the edges of coral reefs, the life forms are different. Most of the time, the light is limited. They have life forms that cover the coral so that more light can enter the coral. So, different life forms, but genera-wise, they have life forms similar to shallow water. That's the coral. In the island, they also have a lot of documents. If my memory is correct, they have in one dive, they were able to identify 125 species. The lowest or most worried of the island in one dive is around 20. So, Rod, I think there are many divers. Just like what Ando said, there are a lot of studies on coral reefs. Now, let's move on. We need to learn how to study the ocean group using the ROV, Remotely Operated Vehicles. We need to learn how to do that, because one of the differences is that the sewage is less or less. There is no plant group that is similar to shallow water. Maybe there is a plant group that means that the corals are with the corals. The corals also can cover the light that the plants need. But there are definitely plants that are with the corals. They are called phytoplankton, which means that the corals are with the corals. That's why we need to learn what the corals that have other phytoplankton, maybe they have other phytoplankton that can be used in biomedical discoveries and other research that can be done. That means that maybe they have other phytoplankton that includes the corals that are with the corals. Rod, I think there is a report that there are a few fish, but there are a lot of corals. So the explanation is that because the phytoplankton is synthesized, the light can't really go out. So in food chain, the phytoplankton is important for the fish who are eating the smaller fish and then have a bigger fish. Actually, the food chain is also important. Because when the small fish eat the phytoplankton, the small fish eat the big fish. So the food chain is a good thing. It can be used in phytoplankton, small fish, big fish, and so on and so forth. So biodiversity from the smallest kind of organism to the biggest kind of organisms. But phytoplankton is very resistant. So in our studies, there are opportunistic species. Maybe that's why Dr. Asansa also taught that there are other phytoplankton or patizuoplankton that may be unique to that particular area. Because even in the past, phytoplankton, even if the conditions are quite low nutrient conditions or adverse conditions, they really still thrive. Sometimes it's just low diversity, but abundance is not a problem for them. They will really live in areas where they are able to. They're very opportunistic in that sense. And nature is that way. So they thrive. Later on, they become rocks. They become rocks. The phytoplankton, some of them, they make calcite shells or skeletons. And these calcite skeletons are actually also part of our carbon dioxide system. They draw down carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. And then later on, when these phytoplankton die, they end up in the bottom, then it becomes a part of the sediments that we use. And later on, they really become rocks. So that's the process that our world is doing to draw down the excess CO2 in the atmosphere. It's really rich. Benham rice as a study site for geological history. And especially for us in the immediate time, it's really the biodiversity that's also very, very important for us. Because we think historically, the people from Catanduan has always fished in the area. So they've known that area as a very lush, thriving fishing ground. So that's something that we really have to study and treasure also. And I add something. I just went to Isabella last time. And Isabella is quite near to partly, Benham rice in Bandang Ibaba. And then, the people reported before, there are a lot of species of fish that can only be seen in Isabella. So the connectivity of those fish to Benham rice, because that's where they can only be seen. So we should know, maybe we need to protect that area. So there are probably five species or three species that can only be seen in Isabella. So I think we'll get Ando, who is our MSI director, to tell us how he organized the expedition to study the Benham rice. This is our first encounter with it. We approached it and said to MSI, why didn't we do a research program for Benham rice? And from there, I talked to several researchers within MSI. And then MSI, looking at people who can help outside of MSI. And then, a team came up. They submitted a proposal to the NRCP, which is a big budget. This is why it is part of the main Department of Science and Technology. There are four sites that need to be studied. We've had two cruises, one is in 2014, the other is in 2016. During the first cruise in 2014, they thought there were places with only 20 meters of land. But when they got there, 50 meters is the most land. So what they did, they still, with a lot of discussions among the divers for safety considerations, they still decided to go down. They called it a bounce dive. It's low, but it's very low at the bottom. And from those first dives, the description of the people who went there, they were jealous, because of the discovery. Especially when they saw that the coral cover was very high. Maybe for this group, there were a lot of coral reefs here in the Philippines, where they changed, where they saw 100% coral cover. But they didn't only have coral cover here. I just want to add to what Dr. Azan said earlier. There are documents, seaweeds here in this area, and besides the seaweeds, there are also a lot of sponges. And these are what we really need to look at. These are other species of sponges, other species of seaweeds. What are they different from what we know of the coral reefs? And I just have to note that the organized team is multi-institutional. It's not just MSI. There are others from UP-Dileman, UP-LB, and then from Ateneo. Ateneo has Mindanao. There's also UP-Bagyo. It's a collective effort.  And beyond. But the observation is the water was very clear, very high clarity of the water. Now, for scuba divers, all of us have been scuba divers from the past, including me. I think you have to share with our audience what it takes to dive to those depths. Why do I read it every two days? Let's talk about the scuba diving that we are doing, but for scientific investigation. A major consideration is to build up gases in our bodies. We need to give our bodies a rest. In Benham Rise, I'm not included in that cruise, but I do mesophotic coral ecosystems. We have had dives down to depths of 40 meters. Typically, we are only diving for safety considerations until 30 meters. And when we dive mesophotic, sometimes we dive for one day. And that's at 30 meters. But the researchers who dove in the Benham Rise, they went down to 50 meters. And because of the deep sea, you can expect a lot of consequences to the human body. If the sea is also long and if you are on the surface, you'll have to spend a long time to give your body a rest. Benji, what is your experience in diving? I focus on rocks, because you are a biogeographer. Also, Alisa, the rocks that have plankton. I focus on sponge. You need to connect with a sponge. You have a knife and a net bag. Our excitement in the direct visualization of the biodiversity more than compensates for the dives. I'm a sewage expert, so I can dive up to 15 meters or 10 meters. One of the most terrifying dives we made in Japan, because the sewage is so long, it's like a forest. We have dives in Bermuda. It's beautiful. The corals are different, but our biodiversity is higher. The highest of our biodiversity. We are the center of marine biodiversity. Our environment and coral reefs are beautiful. It's beautiful. We are a marine protected area. Don't leave us here alone. We'll be a marine. We'll be here. But you should only dive twice a day. What is the deepest dive? The deepest dive is about 35 meters deep. That's in Bermuda. Bermuda has a similarity to Benham Rise. But of course, Benham Rise is deeper. That's why the problem with human diving is that there are limitations. That's why the videos you can see on the internet, the video on Benham Rise, using the ROV or remotely operated vehicle underwater, we can see the biodiversity more. I noticed that in the video transects of the remote operated vehicle, I noticed that there are islands where I dive in Hawaii. It's also in Benham Rise. There might be connectivity. There might be connectivity. It's closer to Hawaii. That's why it's Pacific. That's why it's right to say that the islands in Isabella have connectivity. That's what they see in the Philippines. But it's related to what we see in the Central Pacific. 13 million hectares of the so-called Philippine rise. That's 13 million hectares. It's bigger than Luzon. Lisa, what do you do when you dive? Actually, when early in my career, I thought I was going to be diving a lot for the rest of my life. But it turns out, when I did my PhD, the area was getting bigger. So I can't do it in a few months. So what happened? I needed either a bank, no funding, or I needed a boat that was equipped to get a boat from the bottom and a boat from the bottom of the sea. So I'm really giving up diving. So I've given up on the diving dream every day. I hope I can dive in the field. Now, I really need a boat. Because the plank I'm learning, the main thing I'm learning is fossil to understand the sea. It's more fun if the place is deep. That's where we can dive in those areas. That's where you can find your boats. The good thing is that there are some of these areas that became rocks that actually are now above ground. So we can actually also study it in mountains around us. So it's also actually everywhere. So that saves us sometimes from funding. If you don't have funding to go out to sea or to dive or to get a bank, we can actually do land fieldwork and study these particular fossils, which actually used to be in the sea. I always remember Alisa when she said even stones move. So it's not just living organisms. So it's just telling us that in marine environments, in oceans, in corals, the interaction between the biota and the abayota is really close. There are a lot of studies that really transcend the biological part that apparently the organisms are also helping make rocks or stones. Yes. So the lithosphere, biosphere interaction and the hydrosphere, of course, are very well linked. That's why it all happened in a very minute scale of our earth. In terms of the rocks and the oceans, we have the interest to collect the bacterial spores that are found in the sand, as well as the sediment and the stones. And you have a lot of such samples in the MSI. So anyway, I think what the group did, a lot of MSI, was to explore our biodiversity in the Philippine rice. We brought instruments to augment the observation and visualization capabilities of our researchers. I saw the photos taken by Gil Hasinto, and I saw a video of Gil in the Benham rice. And then I saw the photo of the GoPro mini-camera. So tell us about that. How did we use that? The GoPro is a very small camera that you can connect to the part of your body. And you can go down to 60 meters with it. We've tried sending a GoPro to a depth of 100 meters. The only rating in the case is 60 meters. We thought GoPro was still alive. Is that the GoPro that you got from the whale shark? Because it was the first one to be taken with MSI. Yeah, well, we have our own ROV at MSI. It can go down to 150 meters. The camera that is attached to the ROV is low resolution. So what we are doing is we are taking the GoPro and we are sending it down to that depth. So the whale shark is in the ROV? There are sharks in the document. But this is not in Benham rice. This is in Tubataha and the Apo Reef. You are 100 meters away from the sharks. The nice thing with the GoPro is that it's relatively cheap. For something like 20,000 pesos, you can have an imaging system that can give you an excellent image underwater. In the past, to have an underwater camera, you will need something like at least 100,000 pesos. But now with 20,000, go ahead. But the ROV allows you to see what's happening underneath. So while the ROV is moving, you see the images underneath. And so you can drive it. You can send it where it can go. The GoPro, on the other hand, you attach weights to it, you send it down. Where it's going to go down, it's already there. That's very limited. That's why it's nice to have our next studies in Benham Rice and other parts of the Philippines. It's nice to have our own ROV that have capacity to go down to depths, hopefully even beyond 150 meters. There's capacity to take samples as well. There are ROV models that have attachments where you can take samples from underneath. And in what Benham Rice did, we can say that it's just a dot and a whole field of possible things to discover. We really don't know much about that place. That's why we should continue our studies in that place. And not only in the aspect of biodiversity, although the biodiversity itself, a lot of things should be done. Mamrod mentioned connectivity with the mainland. Certainly, you will have to look at that. Not only in Isda, but are the corals also connected to mainland? Will Benham Rice be connected to our resources in the mainland area? Application Bali mentioned drug discoveries. Certainly, I think there are many things that can be explored in that area. From a geological perspective, we should look at one aspect of hazards. If you look at the maps that are available to us in Benham Rice, Benham Rice is surrounded by a slump. And it's a huge feature. It's almost half of what Benham Rice used to be. It's like half of what it used to be. It's like half of what it used to be. And if that happened in the past, it can generate a huge tsunami. I mentioned earlier that Benham Rice is a volcanic feature and it's not a single edifice, volcanic, in the Benham Rice area, Benham Plateau area. There are many of them. If you look at the maps that were produced by Namriya, there are similar features in other places. From that perspective, the geological hazards related to the Benham Rice area need to be explored. Yes. We also have to put in mind that it's seismically active. The place is really moving. Seismically active. Seismically active. Because that place is the Philippine sea plate after all and the Pacific plate. It's active in the areas of our world. We expect that Benham Rice, along with this system, is really moving. It's a constant movement that we know is happening around us. It's a good segue to a reason why we think the Philippine rice is very valuable. So there are claims that it is rich in natural gas and oil and also minerals, including heavy metals and also maybe iron that is required to make steel. So as geologists, what do you have to say about that? That it's volcanic. So natural gas or oil? Mind you, our MSI director came from the National Institute of Geological Sciences. He's also a geologist. So you can make a list for you to have oil underneath.  You don't have that in the Benham Rice area. But what you have in the Benham Rice area are the metallic resources. So the potential is very large. In places that are a bit wide and flat, these are potential places where we can explore for what we call manganese nodules. Although its name is manganese, not just manganese. And this is where you can see very slow sediment input. And this is also where we call mid-oceanic ridges. There are places in the Benham Rice area where topography is very irregular. And they are aligned, like they have a line. Those are the mid-oceanic ridges. That's where we can see metallic resource, the sulfites. And in modern-day vents associated with mid-oceanic ridges, not only copper, but also metal. So the potential is very large. And based on the study of other systems, there are a lot of rare earth elements. And this can be found in the Benham Rice area if we need to study these. Let's look at the systematic exploration of the Philippine rice. I keep saying now Philippine rice, I don't know how many of you know why it is called Benham Rice. Who is Benham? Oceanographer though. We know history. Oceanographer is a science. Benji is a history of science. It's written on the internet. British Oceanographer was the first to map. I forgot his first name. Benham was the first to make a symmetric map. When the British invasion took place, it was in the early 20th century. Let's take a look. Anyway, going back to this systematic exploration. Usually, there are two ways of doing it. First is a survey or a reconnoiter. Now you have your instruments to try to see what's out there. I also know for a fact that in the MSI and the Patys of the Six, we have a project for bio-imaging of corals. We will use that. We will use drones. Eventually, it will be more versatile. What we call unmanned vehicles are OVs. After the survey, can we take samples? The question is, did we take samples last time? Did we leave transects there? There are samples selected there. This is a study in Los Baños, in the group of Hilda and Acorda. Sir, can I hear you? Yes. I think that there should be a multidisciplinary approach and the horizon, the perspective should be wider in the... I don't think about that anymore. The role of Benham Rise is not to look at a kind of goods and a kind of service that he can give. Everything in the environment has different services and goods that he can give. So there can be metals, there can be biodiversity and so on and so forth. The different agencies of the government, such as the Bureau of Fisheries, DTI, there are a lot of them. So at the level of the president, there should be a lot of studies, research and so on. A plan for the Benham Rise, because they might not be enough, because they want to take this, and so on and so forth. We should consider that the coral reef area is a very important ecosystem. By 2050, there may be a lot of coral reef areas. This is a very important ecosystem that is not only for us, but also for humanity. I mean, it's not only for us, but also for the whole humanity. So our view should be more broad and wider. I will support what Mamrod said, that science-based decision-making and policies that we will do, especially for the Benham Rise and the surrounding areas. We cannot be mayopic in terms of how we look at it. Science-based evidence should also be learned in our translation, because that's the problem with our scientists. We understand our data, our compartmentalized data, but it's hard for us to integrate, and at the same time, the next problem is how to communicate it to our policy makers, to the leaders of the country. There should be some of us who should be able to do that, and at the same time, look at it in a very large-scale perspective. It's not just the sea, but the land that connects to the sea. Because our studies from the watershed all the way to the reef, although this reef is a little wider. So we can only protect it if we learn about it, and if we study it very well. And not just us, the scientists who can understand, but the policy makers also have to understand what is at stake. So Alisa Rod and Benj, I think the Philippine Rise right now, the exploration of that triggered the national scientist Luli Cruz of MSI. Then we got support from the NRCP under the DOSD, but the boat came from the DLBFAR, Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources. They're partners there. The two of them. There are really cooperation between our national departments or agencies, but Rod, I think you should try to convince the DOSD to look at the bigger picture. We know that the DOSD secretary plans to have a presentation of the Philippine Rise to the Cabinet to President Duterte and has actually tapped the MSI to take the lead. So what are we going to say? In the Cabinet. Okay. This is what Ando Yata spoke about in the Senate. In the Senate. He proposed the NISD of Round Table Discussion. What is the NISD? The NISD is the National Academy of Science and Technology. This is the highest advisory body to the President and the Cabinet and the Legislative on Science and Technology. So three of us are from the NISD, we are academicians, me, Gisele and Ando. So there will be, I will propose a Round Table Discussion, a policy discussion on the Philippine Rise. Multi-agency, multi-interest, multi-stakeholders. And then after that, we can give our discussion points, our advices to the President and the Legislative and so on. So experts of all the agencies that should be called, they should be called there. So of course, MSI will play a role there. There will be a strategic plan, I hope. Of course, the Cabinet will think about it. We will give it to the President and the Cabinet. And I think we have to do this as fast as possible. I think that's so important. So we have to do this I think by August. Yes. Because we know that there's a lot of interest in the Philippine Rise. And well, that's because by the Convention on Law of the Sea, the Philippine Rise in actuality is part of our sovereign rights. Because it covers an area that is beyond the 12 nautical miles, which is the limit or boundary for sovereignty of, you know, parts of the sea. So the principle there, the extended continental shelf beyond the 12 nautical miles is still part of human times, you know, what you call this area of research and exploration and navigation. So I'm just quoting what Supreme Court Justice Tony Carpios said about sovereignty versus sovereign rights. Well, we know that there's a lot of interest from other countries. So I think Philippines should make that major investment because our biodiversity is really richest in the world. That Pacific seaboard is hardly explored. So it's important that we move fast. We can invest in a space program above our, you know, terrestrial domains. What about investing in the oceanographic or the ocean domains surrounding the Philippines as part of our sovereign rights? I think the national government should realize that we have more ocean surface, more ocean floor surface than land surface. And we have barely explored, studied the ocean. So there is much more to discover in the ocean. It will be a big investment. Yeah. Currently, if the question is, well, what can we do now? With what we now have, what can we do now? A big asset that we've recently acquired is having the research vessel BRP Gregorio. Velasquez. BRP Velasquez. It can go out and we've used that in the past, capable for doing scientific research in deep sea environment. It needs the crew to train in doing scientific research. The ship needs to equip and maintain instruments. Having that platform would be very important. And then we need to put people on board and give these people the instrumentation that is needed to do the field surveys, the instrumentation to do the analysis in the laboratory and then provide information for capacity building. If we look at how many we can top to train the Philippines not only many, but also a big lack. That's why one of the important things to do is building our knowledge creation. What we call the super structure. We also need to form and link up strategically with partners. Yes, I agree. Because we have to study things now. We need help. We can't do what we want to do. That's why we need to talk to other countries and groups that can help us. That's what we call international communications. And this is what UPD is doing now. We are sure that we will be advertised. SUCs and ATIs all over the country. It's very, very promising what will happen in our country but we don't have time. This topic is very exciting. Last words from the guest. That's what he said to us. Rob. Thank you so much for inviting me. I remember in 2005 Dr. Santos was a geologist. He was a geologist who joined our Benham Rice. He told me I have to be absent at the CEB. I have to do something for the country. He started this. We have to continue this. We have to sustain our efforts to sustainably make use of the Benham Rice. Thank you so much. Alisa. I have a message for the children out there. I hope you pursue degrees in science because we need more scientists in the country. After all, we are surrounded by nature so we also have a lot of land and we need to eat and thank you so much. Ando. Go into ocean sciences. Bench. Benham Rice is important. I hope there are many children who don't have a career in ocean sciences. And if you want you can join the Philippine Navy. Because they take away maritime areas. For me, the bottom line is the blue economy. One of our advocacy. The Filipinas have water in their land. Why are we focusing on agriculture? We should also look at the blue economy and the aquaculture and resources from the sea. Bottom line is I think we have to feed and provide for the nutrition of Filipino people communities in the remote areas. To the extent that Benham Rice can contribute to that let's go for it. Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen. This is Science Innovation Series and our topic today is Benham Rice or Philippine Rice. Thank you so much, Benji, Rod, Ando, and Alisa.


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How do you see things playing out there? Yeah, so I mean with the chief's offense is on the field. I mean, we love that there's a buy, right? So we That's the that's first and foremost It will be interesting. My home's kelsey. We we know that's foregone conclusion, right? mvs showing out in the playoffs is something that packers fans probably hate to see but he's he's just been the next guy Or people used him in dfs during the regular season as well. So, you know, specifically weeks one to five I eventually are my lesson, but it was weeks one to five was painful Yeah, which is Incredible to just even think about right when we're talking about the free agents that they bring in and juju's supposed to be the guy and He just hasn't been able to stay healthy and hasn't been able to get going They bring in cadarius tony and he gets the ankle injury In the divisional round or yeah divisional round. Excuse me. So, um I do think that we should expect to see a high powered offense. I mean the week of rest for Patrick my home's ankle Definitely loved that and I think that they they know that they have one path of winning this game And that's probably through Patrick my homes. They need him to go out there and score points Philly is most likely going to try and Run the ball to keep him off the field. I know people hate that terminology and saying that but that's philly's best chance to win I feel and they've been able to establish the run through this Easy quote-unquote run that they've had to get to the super bowl So I do like the chiefs to be able to you know be high powered Homes to be able to to sling it there. I think that they're definitely Andy reads working in the lab to game plan some things going and this this Often to line for the chiefs is definitely going to have to hold up this front seven for the eagles Is no joke have has not been a joke all year They need to know where Hassan reddick is at all time that does concern me a little bit Jim But I do think that they you know, Andy read Probably in the similar way with the bingles, right? It's just trying to get Patrick my home's keep stuff to the close To the line of scrimmage and try and keep the eagles on their heels so that they can't open up a deep ball to calc or to mbs So that that's kind of my read on it, but I do think that the chief's Best way to success is going to be passing the ball. I know people have talked about isiah pacheco A lot this week. I am curious to see how they utilize the backfield with Clyde Edwards allay are being activated So we're we are thinking of some type of a three-headed monster I know McKinnon's kind of been priced out But this actually feels like in a weird way Jim a better way to get McKinnon going right with the front seven Is going to be coming and getting pressure on Patrick my home It's like why not just have two backs out there in pacheco and McKinnon and be able to you know dump it off to them I know McKinnon hasn't shown Much in the playoffs so far as of yet But what he was doing kind of leading up to that point and in the regular season and earning that trust I think that you know in the big lights He might be he might be one that they try and lean on more in this game Yeah, JJ mentioned he liked McKinnon's receiving yardage over so he's on the same page there. I'm on pacheco to win MVP so About that might be a bit ambitious But the thing that you mentioned that I wanted to go back to Was the bi-week because when I talked about this game initially back on the monday after the conference championship I was operating under the assumption that I thought that one of juju and tony would play and I was projecting this game as if One of them would likely play. I thought hardman was done I you know, I didn't think he'd play but like I thought that one of them might play And I wanted to leave open the chance that neither of them would play. So when I put in my my numbers it was kind of Assuming that they're they're getting Justin Watson back But potentially without the other guys and you look at the practice report from wednesday Guderius tony was limited so that's not fully back yet But that's better than it was he practiced on monday and tuesday as well and juju smith shuster was full I think that's a key because juju Before the conference championship popped up as being limited on friday with a knee injury and He wasn't like questionable like travis kelsey was but he was banged up and seeing a full practice here Ups my faith in the cheese offense and as a result I actually lowered the decrease I have on the cheese offense Um, I slow them lower than what they they you know have benefit for the full season I have a downward adjustment in there for them, but it's not as big as it was initially So I went in there and made that change as a result of this health ryan Where are you on the cheese health? Do you feel good about them in the sense that you're treating them as being like Kind of their usual selves slight downgrade. Where are you when you consider the health of my homes? juju tony etc Yeah, I'm really not concerned. Um, when we talk about the the the names that you're referring to jim The biggest things for me were willy gay Um being out there because of how philadelphia plays right full practice love to see that Legerious need who was talked about and azim is not even on the report So getting him back is going to be huge and when we talk about these guys tony mckinnon juju Sure, they might mean something to The offense because that means we're not seeing the likes of you know, jody fortson and Justin watson and things of that nature But what they did last week or two weeks ago, excuse me against the bangles should show you that As long as you have the quarterback and you have the quarterback's best weapon Then in a running back who we can rely on Everything else is just kind of follow suit. That's what the chiefs have done That's kind of the regime that they have built it and that's why they were okay with getting rid of tyreek It's like we can do plug and play outside of our quarterback and our tight end and we'll figure it out with the team Which is really impressive But for me, that's kind of what it speaks like if this would have been If we wouldn't have been able to see the bangles game into fruition and we were just talking about this being the first time I'd be a lot more concerned but knowing that we did have that in the conference championship I don't see why we are concerned with the names on this list from the offensive side Right, it's that they they've already shown they can do it and the fact that they've had two weeks to game plan around The guys who are missing. I think that those are both keys here. Okay, let's just focus here and talk about the eagles offense against the chiefs defense It's it's a bit of a mismatch for sure With this eagles rush offense against this chiefs rush defense. So how do you see things playing out when the eagles are on the field? Yeah, the the eagles best path as I said is is On the ground and that's no surprise. Everybody would say that right Jim Like they just you're gonna get mouse sanders. Hopefully involved Uh, have some uh bets on his over rushing props. I think I got it at 13 and a half Not sure where it is that now I haven't checked in a while at 13 and a half And I think like plus 102 on the over last time I checked Yeah, I'll check that for you. Yeah 14 was kind of my number. So getting it at 13 and a half seemed fair I do think that kenneth gain well is going to be Immensely involved here. His rushing and receiving prop is under 50 Let's just take that for what it is because he's been able to hit that in forward the last five Not to get into the props model, but this is just where where it lands, right? And so you're looking at jaylin hertz who was injured towards the end of the season He comes back from week 18 and he's been pedestrian when you look at his numbers now You could say well, he wasn't needed. It was a week 18 Then they get the buy going to the divisional round. They handle business There they go into the conference championship round has son retic and axel brock purdy And they're able to handle business there But I do think when you're looking at the other side and knowing that patrick mahomes And the chiefs are on the other side and we can expect them to score Three touchdowns that don't apply total just on the normal given day Like if the run game for whatever reason isn't going because we haven't been able to trust Philadelphia's run game all the time. Remember it was jaylin hertz who was carrying that load for them to start the season Which kind of plateaued him into the mvp conversation So let's say that myles sanders just kind of Is out there laying a duck or isn't able to get these yards and then it maybe we have to rely on can a game One more but I am concerned about the passing game all that to set to be said Because we have aj brown who's only got seven catches in the postseason I know davonta smith was kind of showing out but he had one catch there It gets the giants which shouldn't really or maybe it was the 49ers. Yeah, it was a niner's game Yeah, that wasn't a catch so In hurts hasn't been needed in that capacity So that's what concerns me about the eagles and I and I love jaylin hertz and I'm hoping that this is a great game I've loved the over in this game because of what the two offenses mean But that's the concern with philly is there's probably one path for them that we know for sure They want to do in order to get to the super bowl and if that gets derailed in any way And they have to get away from that then I trust I don't trust the identity of the offense there So that that's what's huge from the chief's defense. I just really quickly like I said the health was the big thing So knowing that they get willy gay back knowing that luxurious need is back and and the way the the chiefs play aggressively, right? So like on the run they might just they might just give up yards there But I think from the passing standpoint the way that they play aggressive They could force jaylin into a turnover or two and that's what really could make it interesting if they can get patch one home's back the ball on a short field and Be able to set this game apart. Yeah, I think it's important to clarify that like We're saying we haven't seen the eagles in terms of can they make up ground if they fall behind It's not that they can't we're not saying that we're saying we haven't seen it yet because they haven't had to Because they've been so good across the entire year talked about this with Pamela yesterday But in the entire year postseason and regular season Jaylin Hurts has 22 pass attempts while trailing in the second half the entire year gardener Minshew has 31 Which like tells you that a jaylin Hurts is a lot better than gardener Minshew because he was not showing as often But b we haven't seen that does that does not mean that they can't do it I think that if you gave me jaylin Hurts with no shoulder injury I'd have more confidence in the eagles ability to make up ground I'm not there yet right now and it's in part because like The shoulder injury is there from that bear's game, but then also in that 49ers game He looked a little banged up again. Um, I'm not sure if I was like missing that but like When he ran that sneak in for the touchdown He didn't look fully healthy now maybe the two weeks have made that better, but I don't know. Did you get the same vibe that I did where it's kind of like I'm not totally totally convinced that he's 100% right now Yeah, well look at the other side of of the spectrum gem I mean, he's going against guys Greenlaw and and bosa and the rest of those guys on the 49ers difference I mean they did their best to try and keep Josh Johnson and the 49ers offense in that game Which is also the concerning part too when you're talking about the eagles offense, right? As soon as Brock birdie went down Eagles should be up by two scores minimum That's just how they should have been able to to work it in it was close there for a little bit of time until we got to the third quarter and they were finally able to get things going and separate themselves, but This she's the by no means is is like the 49ers As far as talent goes But I do think that they have pieces when you talk about chris jones and others on that front line And the secondary that could go out there and really make things, you know Miserable, I think they can scheme up some some exotic blitzes and things of that nature If they if they Are getting to points where they have to force Philly to throw I think that's going to be the biggest thing is how can we get Jalen hurt to have to win this game for this team? Um, that that's probably going to be the mo for the chiefs, right? We haven't seen it yet make them show it to us make them prove that they can do that That's kind of the goal for the cheese for sure Okay, we talked about the chiefs offense and the eagles offense Let's spin that forward now and break down the traditional markets in this game Right now at vandal sportsbook the eagles are one and a half point favorites. Their money line is minus 122 Chiefs are a plus 104 ryan when you look at those two markets spreading money line any value for you right now Yeah, just look at the chiefs get it as an underdog So this is actually the first official time that patrick mahomes will have been an underdog In the post season in his career You're looking at andy reid his record off of the buy is absolutely incredible So when we're talking about a game that has a and I just look at the total right if Vegas is saying that 50 And a half points are expected to be scored in this game and we know the eagles bet pass Bet path to success is to run the ball and to kind of keep that going there Then if we get into a shootout by any means like i'm just going to take the chief side of value there You know open that two and a open at two and a half now at one and a half Which seems right when you're all things considered when you're talking about the dynamic of these two teams But I do think experience plays a little bit of a factor here You got guys like jason kelsey and brandon graham. I think there's a couple others on the philadelphia side Who could be hosting hoisting their second lombardi? But when we talk about the experience in the important positions right with the best player On offense two of the best players on offense for the chiefs the head coach like have been there before I do think experience is going to Rain supreme for the kansas city chiefs and if they are getting plus money on them I want to get that action every time. Yeah, the money line is plus one of four I think that if you are interested in the chiefs, which I also am obviously Um as discussed last week, uh money line is plus one of four the spread is minus one ten And you're getting plus one and a half which basically means the only spot where you win that bet Without winning the money line is that they lose by one So to me ryan, I feel like you take the money line here every time versus the spread, correct? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely And I have the cheese at uh at uh I got them at 108 or 110 depending on where you got it from last monday And I talked before about how I've adjusted my numbers again to account for the fact that Uh juju is healthier. Tony might play and stuff like that So it's an upward adjustment for the eagles or the cheese and once I do that my Better model has a chiefs as 1.89 point favorites. So Pretty heavily favored in this game. Uh win odds associated with that are Higher than you know 49 percent obviously So I think the money line is still the right way to go and there's still value there I would say I would not be shocked if we see some more public money come in on the chiefs here this weekend So if you want to bet the cheese do it now I think we could see that change now. Maybe I'm misreading that maybe it comes in on the eagles instead I don't know. It's been pretty steady, but With the Super Bowl you see a lot of money come in late in the week over the weekend and stuff like that So we could see this market move again personally I'd rather take it now because I think it's a very good value and if it moves against me and I misread that Oh, well, so be it, you know that happens Um, but I would be taking that now taking that money line Don't let the cheese. I just think that They're the better team. Um, and this is not like a Shot down at the eagles like the cheese are historically good based on my numbers The eagles best team in the nsc by my numbers after that 49ers game Um, they earned this. I'm sure you can talk about the schedule, which is justified Um, you know, if if herds were fully healthy, maybe it's different story where I'm maybe Well, that's high in the chiefs, but I think It's not a a downward shot at the eagles say that I love the cheese I just respect for how insane they've been this year Um, and what they've done now the total is 50 and a half You said you have interest here in the over at that number What pushes you that direction ryan? Well, the the only reason I have interest in that number gym is because I do like the chief side of things and You know close game kind of probably Favors the the eagles I would say Um, probably probably not at the tune of of 50 and a half But you know if we were looking at like a 47 ish 48 number I I think that would definitely favor in the eagles fashion But yes, if the points are going to be scored here And in bunches, I and I'm taking the chiefs I'm willing to say that yeah if it gets to a shootout point the chiefs are probably went in that game And that's where I could see it, you know The I think most people would say if jail and herds has to go out there and throw for 250 and And two or something to the tune of that and the run game is not going Then it's probably because they're playing from behind and the chiefs are you know rolling on our cylinders So that's where I come in on the on the total there Would you have interest in tying those together? If you put the chiefs money line at plus 104 with over 50 and a half at minus 115 and do a same game parley on those You get plus 252 at vandal sports book I I think that that's fair Given that I like the money line personally I think I would go just the money line by myself rather than Time the two together. What would you do here, Ryan? Would you want to do each bed individually? Do you want to parley them together? How are you handling that if you like both those bets individually? Yeah, I was gonna see here real quickly. You might have more access to it than I do But I would probably at that point just because of the odds would look at an alt spread for kansas city Sure So if you go and flip it where it's, you know, you think maybe you think the chiefs win by the last second fuel goal or whatever So you take the chiefs minus two and a half or minus three with the total at 50 and a half That's probably going to be your best bet where you can get more favorable odds probably closer to the four to one five to one range So let's check out. I think let's go chiefs minus two and a half. We don't want to give up the fuel goal there That's plus 116 instead of getting it where It plus 116 versus the money line at plus 104 so you're getting a little bit better odds there And then with the over at one fifth or at 50 and a half if we do those together to 63 Not a huge difference I'm surprised it's at once. I mean that just goes to show you how vegas is priced. They're right because that's that's They know Right, exactly. That's what you okay. So these are what these are what people are going to be thinking about doing To to get it in their favor. So no, that's fair. Yeah, that's That's kind of one of those things you you probably don't want to take them Together you just take it separate and hope that you know the one city In if it is the under then so be it but right. Yeah, that would be the only I think from a from a personal standpoint in my mind, you know, mine versus heart Like I just would love to see points scored in this game because we have we have had a couple duds Over the past couple years. So we we deserve it. We deserve it We we deserve this as far as what my number say with this one I talked about this last week, but when I run my numbers with no injury adjustment for the cheese I had the total of 51 and a half So above this but the injury adjustments the first round had a 40.9 or 49.97 So that said when it was at 49 and a half, so that was about right And I couldn't get to an over here, but I did adjust them back up again with a bit with Tony and Smith Schuster practicing. It's a 50.38 for me right now. So very fair 51 is a massive key number though. So if you get this if this number hits 51 at vandal That's where I'm like, no, I'm not touching that. I think that 50 and a half, you know, totally fair 51 is a really big number so With it still being under that it is minus 115 in the over I think that there is still room to go there if you want to but If it gets to 51 that's where to me it becomes a True true stay away If it does get there Okay. Now while we got to your ride, let's talk about some other props if you got any you talked a bit about Miles sanders his rushing prop that rushing prop the attempt prop over 13 and a half is plus 102 right now Is that one that you like any other props you're looking at for this game? Yeah, that's a fun prop. I think uh, I actually Have a future on kelsey to win mvp I believe at 28. Yeah, because it's it's it's been 16, right? So yeah, I think it's at 28 to one is what I got it at even at 16. I think that's interesting. I think what's really even more Crazy when you think about it is the path of kelsey to win mvp, right? So we're definitely about multiple scores Which two touchdowns for him is plus four 60 on the vandal sports book when you get into three touchdowns for him Though now we're cooking with gas So kelsey to score Three touchdowns and to go if you go the alt line with him hitting 100 yards because that's just What you're thinking kelsey just absolutely gets all the production dominates the game based on what the injury report Is saying for the kansas city chiefs or even even if those guys are somewhat healthy The path to success is going to be with with kelsey that gets you at um 50 around 52 on That number Which is which is absolutely incredible So that's one that I was kind of playing around with but not only you get the mvp there at 16 to 1 but When you parlay that you know, yeah, you see it there Probably 10 to 1 there with uh the two touchdowns and the alternate line But when you get the three touchdowns then it even skyrockets even more So that's a fun one that I was looking at and you know you just try and talk yourselves into to pass Right. I think that the quarterbacks both being at plus 130 Is fair, you know, I've more more be willing to take that with mahomes And I know this has been talked about a couple of different places But I do think that the jaylon hurts at plus 130 does feel kind of trappy because there are like you could probably see A hassan retic like at 34 to 1 right you could probably talk yourself in the mild standards at 25 to 1 if he has a similar game to when he's going 102 off the rip and jaylon hurts is kind of having a pedestrian game as Like we've seen the past couple. They just don't need him to win So that's one that i'm kind of staying away from I did talk about game while rushing and receiving He said on that four out of five games where the number is right now I do think michael Or michael marcos valda scantling to score an anytime touchdown. It was plus 195 the last time I saw that I I do have interest in that And then the other one that I'll quickly Touch on jim that isn't a player prop is kansas city to be the first half winner is plus 102 And if you are taking the chiefs, I think you might as well just go ahead and take this bet as well because When the eagles are up at half They have been killing it all all season long that that's why you Mention the numbers with jaylon hurts and not having to throw that much so The path to success is that you're saying that kansas city just really comes out here and tries to punch the eagles in the mouth And then the eagles are playing catch up which jaylon hurts has not had to do most if not all the season So I think taking the kansas city chiefs here at plus 102 has some value to it Yeah, I think that that is is smart because um, it does give you Just kind of an extra bit of safety if you want to put that back in the second half Don't chase losses obviously, but if you want to have some more fun, you can do that as well Plus 102 the number on that going back to the gain well one, uh, the rushing plus receiving. I was in the wrong tab They're like 16,000 tabs for super bowl. So that's the wrong tab, but as rushing plus receiving is 32 and a half um I took his rushing number when it was 16 and a half last week. I believe earlier this week It's 19 and a half now. I think if I'm betting him now I would go this way like you said 32 and a half rushing plus receiving I think that's a much better number than the rushing by itself. I think that that's that's that's correct and also like If you think about paths, we both like the chiefs in this game If the chiefs get ahead Gain well is more likely to be on the field than mild sanders in that script So I think that those bets actually do kind of correlate.  Any anthem half time anything like that?  You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna miss what what the line is and I was just scrolling through last night as as I usually do before I Talk with Jim just to make sure I'm not missing anything The dumb bet I would say that I do like is the gatorade color Yeah, so lots of traction has been made on yellow because that's what they got siriani with I think on the way to the super bowler earlier this season sometime That's been floating around on social media Orange because the chiefs had that with andy reed the last time that they won and then blue was usually always the favorite Clear and water is plus a thousand and I do think that there's some merit to that because We kind of see we you know, I just feel like Maybe there's no gatorade on the on the sideline It's it's not the dumb one where you're saying none. I hate when people take none But I I do think there's some merit to like clear or water Here being in arizona. I don't know. I just it's just one of those dumb bets that I'm willing to take a chance on From the gatorade color. So I do I do think that is fun What flavor is clear? Like what flavor is that? Like like like glacier frost or glacier frost. Okay. I've been out of a gatorade game for too long. Yeah, I'm just making up names What flavor of caprice done is that I don't pacific surfer, you know, they just throw that sounds right that that sounds Also caprice on is better than nothing, you know, not to scare away sponsors, but caprice on's better Exactly exactly. We can get a light on the sideline. Maybe we'll do that instead that that could be Yeah, um, so that that's one that I was thinking of off the rip the other one that I kind of tossed around with I have not bet yet and and maybe I don't ever But mvs to win super bowl mvp If we if we do get some weird stuff happening, right? And you think about the game that he kind of had last week Um, when you're looking at him, what? Yes, uh, 60 to one 60 to one. Yes. Thank you for bringing that up Chad Henney is a hundred Right I mean, but that's like when you're looking I mean if we're just taking it from what it is and like what the offensive pieces are for the cheese I I I understand where you're coming from from chaco Standpoint as well too because he could end up, you know, hitting the rushing number and then catching Maybe he catches a touchdown or two off the shovel pass from my homes. That's an interesting one But like mvs like he take he house calls one, you know on it on a deep ball And then he's getting the 100 yards and Kelsey doesn't find the end zone and this is a low scoring game like the chiefs won 17 to 14 And if mvs has the two scores there, it's it's so hard for you to really It's so hard for me. I should say to talk myself into a way that They are on that stage and Patrick my homes is not voicing the lombardi like it's just, you know Patriots win Tampa Bay wins like tom brady just is getting that trophy Regardless of what james white does or element does or chris godwin does so But you know the only other merit I think it is is Kelsey because so much of the offense can go through him But that was another like stupid one where I was like, well, he could be like the second Best receiver on this team.  I want to go with you mentioned touchdown score. That's a volatile market. That's good MVP as volatile as it can be. That's great two plus touchdowns stuff like that Otherwise stay away. I think that that is that's a correct correct way to go Maybe separate bets on the under under the baseline yardage and then over 100 yards, whatever it may be. I think that he's the kind of wide receiver if it's emerald for sure Anything else for you right? Thank you for talking me in for probably laying this bet. I appreciate that Which one are you more likely to do the clear slash water or mvs mvp? mvs mvp rolls up the tongue mvs mvp does roll off the tongue I probably will lay the clear clear slash water for sure Just so I have action in some market that does not relate to the actual game being played itself But I also got a look at the rihanna Rihanna lines here for for the songs too. Yeah, that's that's a fun one to get after So I do want to make sure I partake in that I was talking with those About those with joe on monday and I went on like a rihanna binge on spotify after that So it was it was actually beneficial for me. Um, so I was you know, it helped it made my monday better So there are lots of positives of talking about all this stuff You know if i'm not going to bet it myself I can at least benefit and listen to good music Alrighty ryan, that's all we got here for today and this year talking football But I appreciate you swinging by throughout all this time breaking stuff down with us Maybe we'll get you on talks and then it felt draft at some point. Maybe absolutely But uh, I'd be happy to have you on once again, but uh, good luck to you super old Thanks for coming on this entire year and have fun on sunday Yeah, jim. Thanks for having me. It's been a pleasure. Shout out to everybody Who's been following uh following along with cts covering the spread? It's it's been a wild ride. So I appreciate you and good luck in the super bowl be smart with that money But make sure this is the biggest betting day of the year. Uh, so if you're going to go crazy with some bets This is the time to throw down on it. Enjoy that and we'll see what the fun commercials bring While we're waiting at our super bowl parties and super bowl endeavors. So talk to you soon jim. Thanks man Yeah, go crazy responsibly Hopefully grok makes that feel cool and you can get some uh, some bonus money in there as well Be a fan dual sportsbook. Uh, check out ryan on twitter at ryan alexander underscore w i'm on twitter at jim sonnis Again, check out our other shows up on the covering the spread podcast feed and over on the fandal youtube page tomorrow John rostin will swing by we're gonna talk some college basketball talk with fuchs market talk about Who is actually the best team in the nation because I don't know We'll get his read on some bubble teams and more coming up tomorrow right here on covering the spread That's all we have for today though. 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Hi, I'm Jonathan from Kaltura, I'm architect in a Kaltura open source video platform and like just like cats as well. I'm going to talk about lessons that we learned during the years in Kaltura, how to overcome the non-limitation that REST API is textual and how we deal with many media files using our REST API. So video is used today, media generally is very significant content in the internet, it's affecting your costs, it's affecting your traffic, it's affecting your storage, it's affecting everything that you do and of course it's affecting your API. Next we have to define the enemy, to know what's the problem. I could show you graphs, charts of how media used today in the internet and how it will be used in 10 years and of course all the boring charts always show the same, it's always going up and the conclusion is always the same, you can't ignore media anymore in your application because media is used today not only in media companies, media is used today on your cell phone, media is used today in enterprise companies, in universities and so on. So in Kaltura we are doing, we aspire to do what we call everything video, everything video means that we are doing capturing and conferencing, transcoding, encryption, streaming both live and VOD, edge teaching, client side and server side, recording, playback, distribution, syndication and so on. Everything is done in Kaltura using API, everything is REST API which is text wall. So although REST is HTTP and HTTP although it's originally created for hypertext, since the very beginning HTTP supports media files, we know put action to push files to the server, we know post action that can, sorry post method that able to upload files to the server, get, you can get progressive download, you can get video or image using get method and today you can even stream video over HTTP using HLS, VOD or live REST although it's based on HTTP it's fully text wall, it's an industry standard and what we usually we use get, delete, post, put, all these actions using text wall path, with text wall processing, if you need complex data structure you will need JSON or XML whatever you choose, even in the response everything will be text wall, JSON or XML. Of course there are simple solutions in the industry, some providers use a put to push files to the server, the problem with push is that it supports only one single file and you don't have the ability to add to the request complex data structure, first you could use a very complex data structure in the path or in the query string but it's not designed for that and it could be very uncomfortable for the developer to push complex data structure in the query string. Another solution is the form data, again the problem here although it supports multiple files, the problem here is that you don't have a native support for complex data structure that like we do in JSON or XML. So I decided to investigate a bit further, so I took two specimens of these media providers home and after 10 years that I'm raising them I can tell you that they took over my sofa, my kitchen, probably even my brain. 10 years ago we started with a very simple solution the most simple to get media from the internet is get, you can get the file using progressive download but usually in the industry standards the actions to perform on the server are using HTTP methods like put, patch, head, get whatever I missed. Anyway it's very limited me list, we have five or six HTTP methods and you don't have the ability to add a complex request to the server. What we did in Kaltura is that all our requests are sent using post or get doesn't matter how it's arrived to the server and the action itself, what to do about the object, about the service that we are calling, we just added it to the URL which is a bit different than the classic API, classic request API and it's enabling us many different actions and of course we support the regular crud, create, read, update, delete and we also added another standard, tomorrow standard that's called the serve, the serve instead of returning the object, the XML or the JSON that represents the object it will return the media that's related with the object. As for uploads, we are using a post of course and you can post more than one file and unlike get that enable you only path or query string, the post enable you to send another option that we have in order to upload content to Kaltura, you just inform to Kaltura what the location of the file and Kaltura will pull the file for you. Of course because we are talking about REST API we have to manage the status of the upload of the download in this case, the status if it's failed succeeds, it's progress and so on. So the serve actions enable us many different content types, every object in Kaltura, for example media, entry in Kaltura contains few video renditions, few thumbnails, closed caption files, maybe license files, different related files and a file upload enable us to upload all these files. Now we encountered few issues while using file upload, the first problem with video is that it's huge, we have customers like Walt Disney, Walt Disney of course they have large videos and you don't want to wait four hours for the upload to finish and then it fails five minutes before it's done and then the entire, you have to do the entire process since the beginning, so what we did is to support chunked upload, you can upload the files in chunked and on the server side we combine all the chunks together to one single file. Another problem that we had is we have different data centers, when you call the API you don't know what data center you are calling in fact, one chunk could arrive to different data center and then you couldn't combine them together, so we just redirect, according to the first server that the first chunk that is selected to, all the chunks from this moment on will be redirected to the same data center, in each data center we have multiple machines, we just sold it with a shared disk, chunks may arrive in the wrong order and we manage it in order to know what chunk to put where and another problem that we had is that the file upload could take long time, you don't want to upload the file and only then to do something about it, you don't want to wait few hours until the entire video is uploaded and only then associated it with with thumbnail or with video and so on, so what we did is to support, to enable you to run the upload and forget about it, enable you to associate the object, the file before it's created, so we have some kind of pointer to the file that is not created yet, using that pointer you will relate it to the object that it relates to and later when the upload will be finished automatically we will use that pointer to associate it with the object, these are two examples for a common API call in this case it's upload token get which returns a XML or JSON representing the object, you can see that the JSON, you can't see that it's JSON because it's okay anyway trust me it's JSON, you don't see the all the screen, we just send the JSON using content type application JSON, unlike when we are sending files we will send a multi-part form data with the JSON as one of the fields separated with boundary from the file itself that's the binary data, try to save place on this on the slide so you don't have a lot of binary data here, now if any of you ever tried to implement the API of WebEx or Akamai or other company that deals with media it could be very difficult, not easy to implement the HTTP by yourself and for that in Kultura we generate automatically SDKs in multiple coding languages, in each coding language we try to follow the standard that's the best practice in this coding language, some coding languages using a string path for the to represent files like PHP, some with file objects streams buffer Node.js, C sharp Java each one is different, in some cases we even implemented sometimes two different signatures of each method in order to support a more than one standard in one language this profile download we assume that the customer don't want to download the entire content the entire media to its application memory, unlike the object that you want it in the application memory, the data the media itself you don't want it in the memory, you don't want the binary data, you probably want to do something with it, if it's image that you want to present in your HTML you can using our API instead of returning the media itself we just return URL that from using that URL you can download or get the media itself so every place that we define in our API that action serve action return a media file or any file instead of returning the file the SDK will return URL to that file, later you can use that URL as image source or as to send it to the player and so on. This is a I selected the PHP which is synchronic language the code is shorter here is example I'm using a file path which is the standard in PHP creating upload token which is the pointer to the file that will be uploaded later and the file size is not mandatory but if we are uploading in chunks it's very important because otherwise the server won't know when is the last if the last chunk arrived or not it's comparing to the file size that we defined in the beginning and I'm creating the upload token using client upload token service add action ban the scene everything translated into PHP to sorry to HTTP and then using the created the upload token and just uploading using upload action with the upload token ID in the file path very simple very easy to use the other hand serve action you can send complex data structure to the server our cultural some problems support scaling and trimming and background and many different parameters I just chose two widths the height which are quite standard in this case and I just call the serve action with the complex data structure and what I get in return is remote URL the URL is the URL that I can use to get the content later and in this case I just downloaded the files and saved it to the disk but I could do anything else with that URL now we have large customers with the large amount of the media and very soon we understood that just upload and serve actions are not enough so at the beginning we added a CSV which enabled you to upload a CSV file which is I will talk a bit more about it later XML file which is more complex not so easy for human for human to write it the complex structure because a media entry could be related with a lot of metadata many different files like thumbnails media closed captions and so on it's not very easy for human to write it we support drop folder drop folders could be on the customer servers in this case we will see what's using ftps ftps s3 doesn't matter how we can watch the folders and see what's going on on his server or it could be on our servers and then the customer or customers our enterprise companies many of them use Webex so we just added another ability to scan using apis the Webex server and we are downloading the the files from Webex this is when I implemented the Webex API it wasn't easy okay CSV as I said is designed for human writing it's supporting very simple properties main media file and main one thumbnail file and few more properties like name didn't write all the properties but basically it's named the script and tags very basic properties however the XML could contain many different related objects all of them could be a in a single XML item we enable the drop folder to drop the files manually by humans which is very simple for user just to drop with the file and media entry will be created on our system but it wasn't enough customers wanted to add a tags or category or user ID many different information so we started to enable them Webex to extract data from the file name but it's again not enough so we decided to support the XML which is complex data structure with all the related objects with a lot of metadata data a time related information on the video and with one different from the regular XML that I mentioned before this XML could relate to files that dropped in the drop folder now in control we saw that we have many ways to upload content to the server so we decided to associate this content with the files in many different ways we have asset resource which is in fact linked to another media that already exists on the server drop folder file mentioned a server file which is integration between our systems sometimes one system create a file on the server uploaded file uploaded file the token is two different ways that we do that webcam remote storage which is storage remote storage that predefined for that specific customer string it could be relevant for SRT for example if you want to upload SRT you don't have to upload the file you can just use string resource and url resource which is of course just specifying what the url in what url the file exists and in order to associate the content with the object we just define the resource in this case it's url so I had to set the url property and we call some assets set content and associated some assets with the resource and all these resources supported in all our apis on all the objects that associated with content you can use each one of these resources and also in the xml so the xml can use each one of these resources also in order to use each media doesn't matter how you uploaded it to cultura we also support publishing the content to external system using push we are pushing the content to the media itself to remote system and I will show a few examples soon and syndication which is publishing MRSS of our content and the external systems downloading the content to their systems these are the standards that we support as you can see there is no industry standard but the most important one here is cultural not because we are cultural but because culture expose all the information that we have on the media and you can apply xsl t on that media and using that xsl t you can apply any different standard that exists in the industry and sometimes for small companies that's what we do questions any question most of that code was client side examples what do you have to have on the server side to support that all our systems internally using APIs between them okay but I mean is there a specifics I have to run the culture a server presumably one control server use API to talk to another API said to another server so okay so you're saying it's kind of symmetric yeah okay another question what do you support as backend storage we use our own data center and we use our own share disk it's called icilon but it's just a it thing it's it doesn't really matter you could use any disk we used NFS for many years it was very good as well for a specific amount of content today we use icilon there are many providers in the in the market another question thank you thank you Jonathan


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Hello everybody, welcome back to another Photoshop tutorial and this one I'm going to show you how to get rid of this scene here between two pictures. This is like a dark line or you can obviously see it's a line between the two images. If you're building a composite or you're pulling out a sky and you're putting something new in and there's that intersecting line here, how do you get rid of it? Very simple. You generally want to go to your left side here and select the spot healing brush. When you do that, make sure that the mode is set to normal. You're using a very unhard brush, so I'm going to use a hardness of 15%. You want content to wear as the type set and you also want to sample all layers. Also, another really good tip is you'll notice here is that this is where it joins, but I've actually got a few pixels over top of it so it's overlapping so that it's easier to work with. Okay, good stuff. Now let's get the spot healing brush and watch as I zoom in. Watch what happens. Then go. We're slowly chopping away the seam and there. They're now joining in and they're looking a little bit better blended. It's not perfect. I'm going a little quickly here, but as you can see, that hard seam is gone and yeah, I'll just go real quick and show you and something like that and they're joined together. That's all there is to it. Thanks for watching.


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