a convenience store and bought cheese lucky logger and point put it in the back of the car nice those were the days those were the days like 1990 i think that was a while ago sure was roger that was 27 years ago that was the weekend i met cheap trick all of them are just the one i actually only met two of them and bunny carlos stepped on my foot did he say sorry i think he did yeah yeah i think he noticed kind of muttered an apology i didn't crush your foot completely yeah in excess was there too bunny carlos uh began the famous people who have stepped on tom's foot club nice that wolf blitzer is also a member of oh i i actually was at the uh what airport i was with josh laurence no less and he didn't notice him but i noticed both blitzer like over like like on the seat waiting for the same flight i didn't say anything to him though and then uh um oh shoot now i can't remember his name mr t he's out of that he's out of the club if i can't remember his name can't be that famous was he a sports star uh no he's a tech blogger uh ryan block no not ryan go back no no steve i remember steve um no robert scoble robert scoble stepped on my foot it's out by southwest uh you should have said evangelists yeah i should have all right i should have said would you care to start the show let's do it well let's have kyoshi start the show for us oh wait that's the wrong recording i'm most recorded on that here we go kyoshi start the show hey you yeah you do you want to help out the daily tech news show well it's really easy just go to daily tech news show dot com slash support and find out how thank you this is the daily tech news for thursday july the sixth 2017 i'm tom merit and justin robber young is back she's been a couple thursdays since we did a thursday of course we got to talk at ner tech in the last friday though was it a couple i thought it was just the one we missed we missed last weeks and then i guess yeah that's just the one that's fine it's been two weeks it's been two weeks in the intervening only one third like an eternity to me too time that's right it's good to be uh good to be back today we are going to wildly speculate we have one of those stories that's rooted in enough reality but without enough facts that we can responsibly wildly speculate and i have a i have a bet of what's happening between amazon and dish justin you think so huh i think i've got an idea well i'll tell you what there's only one way to find out yeah we're gonna get to talk about it but first we start with a few tech things you should know about uber's launching that ability to tip in the app that they promised in 121 cities in north america previously it was being tested in just seattle minneapolis and houston now it's available much wider tips can be left for up to 30 days after your trip you know it's something that was a long time coming and one of the differentiating points uh that lyft always kind of had over uber so curious to see how much use it gets and uh you you noted in our little pre-meeting that the tip does not in uh affect the rating that your driver gives you they only doubt about your tip after they have rated you whatever according to syconi right uh you you rate the rider then you find out if they tip you mm the nintendo switch app is set to launch on july 21st the same day as splatoon 2 the app will provide lobbies voice chats stat tracking and more for splatoon 2 more features will come in 2018 along with the switch is twenty dollar a year online service so basically it's a splatoon app to launch but then once you have it it'll start adding more features as more features become available semantech will acquire fire glass it's a tele v visceral based company that specializes in something called browser isolation uh this kind of uses a little bit of virtual machine type magic to allow corporate users to view any website they want without risking the rest of the network seems pretty important these days ah yes yes yes so now you can leave your pesky employees to wander into whatever uh den of an equities they can malware warning who cares i've got browser isolation cancel cancel cancel motorola sent out envoy invites to the press for an event in new york city on july 21st the invite read you won't want to miss this and an animated gif of a rainbow colored hallway it's possibly going to be doing drew introduce the moto x4 phone i believe it's the 25th not the 21st or oh 25th my bad yeah yeah yeah but uh probably gonna be the moto x4 that's gonna be hello moto hello moto world is the hashtag pretty much guarantees it's fun microsoft confirmed it plans to cut thousands of jobs as part of a reorganization we we talked previously about the the leak that this was going to happen now it's official uh microsoft not saying the number but cmbc reports that that number will be around 3000 which would be 10 of microsoft's workforce microsoft's last major reorganization took place about a year ago after former coo kevin turner left the company this one is revolving around the shift to cloud microsoft's cloud and server business has been refueling up revenue recently with server products and cloud services revenue up 15% azure revenue itself growing by 93% in the recent quarter and with windows i mean few enterprise level contracts but mostly free to the rest of us you don't really need a lot of windows sales people you need a lot of azure sales people and and that's ultimately what this is is that microsoft is transitioning from a company that sold office suites and licenses uh to generate literally the rest of their entire business into something else and these are the kind of moves that wall street very much recognizes and likes to celebrate but you want to see microsoft make this move now when nothing is on fire but the tectonic plates are shifting as opposed to when things get really bad and maybe they should have made this move six months to a year ago there's a lot of rumbling out there about what microsoft thinks it should be uh and whether that vision is is carrying on through the company this is the kind of move that at least from the outside in an aggregate indicates that at least the executive level team believes they should be a cloud company yeah and considering where our entire society is going i don't know how that proposition misses yeah hmd global which makes phones under the nokia brand said thursday it has partnered with zeiss to develop lenses hardware's connections and image software for food uh yes do you remember when zeiss was partnered with nokia before nokia uh became a handset business that was sold off to microsoft and then became a network infrastructure research business that then got the right to sell handsets again and contracted about to hmd global and then hired zeiss lens again i'll tell you if you don't you should take a picture it'll last long it's a cool story isn't it uh no it really is fascinating to watch nokia sort of reassemble itself like like like a broken replicator from stargate or some such metaphor like it just pulling pieces of itself back together not exactly the same obviously hmd global making them now instead of nokia making them themselves but but they are hoping to recapture what had been left of their handset business which they didn't need to do they could have just been a network company and a research company uh and tried to make a go of it that way just fine yeah and instead here we go back to the future google launched a new app called blocks for the htc vive and oculus rift that lets users create 3d objects so imagine google's tilt brush where you paint in vr except for 3d app makes it easy to create simple polygonal objects and then export them into augmented reality or virtual reality apps if you want uh so it's fun for anybody to play around with this but it's especially useful for developers who just want a quick easy way to put together some objects they want to use in their apps so there were the the new uh fascination in in much of my tech twitter has been following these ar kit demos that are coming out from sure yeah yeah oh another measuring tape very impressive uh well i mean some of them have been very impressive i'm kidding i'm kidding they are very impressive uh including one in which uh there was this magical portal in which you stepped through into an animated world and you look at a tool like this where the idea is hey when you're in a virtual world you will know what is super cool to build as you interact with it so make it in a vive make it in a rift be able to export these modules that you can use for ar and vr and to me this is always google at its best nobody does the tools like google sometimes the final forms can uh you know be either trying to please many masters or not quite uh to where where other companies can get but nobody makes the tools to to fuel everything like google does yeah and this is uh this is interesting because no daydream version of this this is htc vive and oculus rift doesn't mean it won't come to daydream but this is google saying where are the developers who can make the best use of this kind of tool let's make it for them and get them to use our development because the more we get them in the tent uh the more we can get them to use our other tools and and this is this is the brilliance of cross platform this is this is why google's other efforts have worked in the past the verge has sources that say that facebook is working on a group video chat app called bonfire that looks similar to the app house party the creators of merecat make house party and as of november of last year it had 1.2 million users so merecat gets crushed by periscope which then fights for its life against facebook live the merecat guys run into a corner create house party get themselves a nice tidy sum of 1.2 million users and then like the eye of sauron facebook notices and starts honing in to destroy them exactly that little tap on their door was the ever-growing straw of facebook as it sought to drink their milkshake uh is it is it almost you know uh just even uh malignant by facebook to call it bonfire like they are lighting your house on fire i wonder i uh i did wonder about that i'm not gonna lie uh it is the right thing for facebook to do as a business though whenever they see something that has a social aspect that gets people together together because if you're not familiar with house party you're probably not a teenager uh it's it's a way for people to do group chats where you don't you don't have to get a formal invite you just hang out you see that people are hanging out on house party and you can pop in and hang out and see what's going on and facebook says ah group activity social networking uh video app that's our house our house that is our sandwich that is our milkshake and we are not going to let anyone else come and eat and or drink it the only thing that is interesting here is you almost wonder whether or not this is facebook just in you know uh let's let's pull out a couple engineers let's see what they can do with it or is it go to house party hey we'll buy you for $15 in a ham sandwich no that's insulting all right cool uh let's peel off those five engineers yeah i and don't forget facebook tried several times to create a snapchat clone and it didn't work until they finally started putting the features into instagram and facebook messenger now they they haven't ruined snapchat but those but once they started doing that people said okay this will work so this may just be the first step towards this kind of feature showing up in instagram or facebook messenger yeah because facebook will always try they will not always win yeah so good news for house party there's a there's a fair chance that bonfire just will not catch up with their user base you might say it could just be a bonfire of the vanities it could indeed researchers at stanford and mit have built a prototype chip made of sheets of 2d graphing formed into nano cylinders with resistive ram a k a r ram layered over it so graphing nano technology carbon nanotubes you've got so many good buzzwords in here and it's real it's 3d nano electronic system combined processor ram and sensors into one chip they were able to do a demonstration where they could have a sensor detect gas and immediately process it and store the data all in a single chip now they don't use silicon as i said they use carbon using silicon would not allow the kind of interleaving of the memory and processing so the big deal here is they're able to put the memory and the processor with right next to each other on the chip which gets rid of a lot of lag really helps the bandwidth and at the high temperatures required for silicon once you laid down a silicon layer and tried to lay another silicon layer over it the high temperature of the second layer would damage the bottom layer but that doesn't happen with carbon because you can do it at lower temperatures anyway the result of all of this if you're like i'm already confused denser faster more power efficient chips replacement for d ram replacement for processors and it's semos compatible that means fabrication and design can happen on existing infrastructure built for silicon that's a big deal because a lot of these processor innovations get hung up on the cost of having to retool your fab so fabrication can happen right on the existing machine it's much more likely to get taken up however at this point there's no commercialization yet it's still in the lab but if it when it is commercialized this is something that can continue to it is it is kind of the breakthrough that we want because there's there's been a lot of talk about the idea of of course law slowing down right yes uh constantly for the past 20 years but but i think at an even higher level lately saying nah we've really reached max processor speed well what this does is say great doesn't matter if your processor speed doesn't increase if you can reduce the latency if you can increase the efficiency suddenly that same processor can do a lot more because it doesn't have to work as hard it's right next to the ram the ram is right there in the building with it it's not down the street anymore i like it hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines.com it's a podcast it's an amazon echo flash briefing it's an anchor dot fm show it's the iphone are you getting no it's nice but it is available in three ways it's a revolutionary internet that's right uh go check it out daily tech headlines dot com. wall street journal reports amazon's jeff bezos and dishes charlie urgren have become best friends that alone would be worth the wall street journal article but apparently uh as they have formed this this manlove they have been discussing partnership to enter the wireless business now the sources are telling wall street journal that the two have discussed two things an internet of things network powered by dish and connectivity plans sold through amazon prime uh it's hard to tell from the sources whether those are connected but it seems like they might be acquisition of dishes considered highly unlikely so you can get that out of your head right now it doesn't look like a dish wants to sell to amazon or amazon wants to buy it but this is not the first time that we've heard amazon and dish rumored to be in talks this happened back in may as well and one of the reasons we've heard talks of dish may be wanting to partner up with comcast partner up with spectrum dish has a bunch of spectrum speaking of spectrum that it has to use by 2020 or it face losing losing some rights to it so it's really valuable stuff they don't have the money to get the ball rolling that's why they need a partner so justin yeah i have a theory of what is going on and why dish and amazon keep coming back why bezos and urgren are are becoming so good to friends these days yeah fafs yeah what's up i think amazon wants to start offering more internet of things devices i considering amazon echo line to be kind of an internet of things device but they want to do more of that they want to have amazon branded cameras door locks sensors all that stuff and what they're talking to dish about is hey could we build your network's internet of things connectivity into our devices and if you're an amazon prime subscriber you don't pay anything for it buy a device from amazon connects to the internet for free you know and gots to do nothing amazon sees that as worth funding dishes rollout and then dish has the network that they have a built-in client for and maybe they can rent it out to other people as well so the benefit in your crazy scheme would be ease of setup right because because right now you are connecting it to your wi-fi so this not only allows you to not go through whatever app program that you would need to do to set up you know your your new iot doorknocker to your wi-fi as well as not making it dependent on your wi-fi staying up or you unplugging it and now all of a sudden your doorknocker doesn't work and also you you're able to go through your entire house no matter what the the stretch of your wireless connection is that you already have in your house and maybe it opens up some internet of things devices that are harder to pull off these days because they would need to be portable so iot devices for the car or for travel or for the airport or who knows what but they don't have to be tethered to your wi-fi network you can take them wherever you need to is this the kind of breakthrough that has held down iot devices since we have uh has begun talking about them either as a key curiosity or as the the final parody of all silicon valley innovation at any cost no matter how small i think it may be one of them and i don't i don't even know if it's the most important one i think a lot of it just has to do with people saying my door locks just fine why do i need a connected door lock that hell out of my door man yeah every day rain or shine it's locking it so proving the advantage to these things and making them easy is part of it so making them easy doesn't just rely on connectivity it relies on interface and can you talk to it instead of you know and instead of having to go into an app and pair it and all that stuff amazon voice services making it possible for you to talk to it if they had connectivity built in suddenly it's like hey all you got to do is turn it on now you get a lot more people interested this also if this is true gives i think that for the first time a a real leg up to a line of iot devices just in in general because of what the echo has done to become the central hub by being open and not necessarily being tied to anything you can set up your your echo with pretty much anything else that you have that is internet connectable as long as you're putting it on the same wi-fi network and meanwhile if it can connect easily with this device that most people who uh in this demo are already buying and you don't have to end the setup is even easier because you're not worrying about connecting it to any wi-fi this could be a big thing and also for dish like you said dish is running out of time on stuff like this and who knows uh how long these kinds of talks have have happened and maybe it's just hey we got to get rolling on this because uh either either this starts cooking now or we're running out of time to really set up and properly launch something that uh that that can use the spectrum now again this is just my crazy idea this is not what the wall street journal sources are saying but if it was going to be amazon selling internet of things devices that connect to the dish network whether it's for free or not uh it could help security because one of the problems with internet of things security is the manufacturer is just not implementing it which amazon hopefully would be smart enough to fix but the other thing is it's it's got security on the device but it's on a wi-fi network that isn't properly secured because guess what not every person who lives in a house is also a sysadmin uh and if they has the internet connection built in then that gives amazon the ability to lock it down and say look it's not going to be on your wi-fi network so don't worry about that part of the equation so here's the other thought right now amazon prime is $99 it was hiked up from 79 in two in 2014 if it came like how much do they have to load up the uh uh the the benefits of being a prime member to get that to a buck 20 or or or to get that higher than it is not to say that that they would right i think yeah they like that price point of $99 staying away from triple digits is probably the best possible thing but but but but but but but let's say amazon wanted to get it to 110 because because at that scale that is a tremendous hike for them i don't know if they are far away if you plug in uh you know benefits of whole foods or benefits uh uh you know beyond what they're building their portfolio for uh this this is a really really fascinating business model for them where they have always had this idea of just give us money will make it worth it and we will always keep making it more and more and more worth it for when you know by the time that we hike the the number you'll be like yeah you want to know what i was always i was already getting it up out of it and now i'm getting it i i think amazon may look at it a different way though amazon may look at it as what's the number that maximizes people getting our service and what are the services that we provide that make them spend money elsewhere right so adding the internet of things service were they to do that yeah my guess would be it would be a play to get people to buy the devices and that's where they make the money and then the devices probably will have some as the amazon echoes do way to make it easier to buy things from amazon uh including groceries that get shipped to you you know a connected fridge right that automatically orders from whole foods to have a the eggs delivered when it sees that the eggs are out that kind of thing nobody likes to buy a Ferrari and then lose the Ferrari to drive the Civic again right if amazon can get you to live that iot lifestyle where all you gotta do is walk in like Star Trek and start parking at your lights to turn on at the certain kind of hues and it always works and it's always fast and it's always snappy and the way that it is always all those things is because you pay whatever you pay in prime man that is one big psychological every single day you use it reason to stay inside their ecosystem yeah no that is very well put uh that is that is very true uh my my weekly column on patreon which goes out to the folks at the the five dollar a month level uh is about the fact that i i discovered recently that i'm living in a smart home and i didn't mean to it's by accident i just sort of i just sort of looked around i was like huh so i have smart light bulbs and i have a couple amazon echoes that i can talk to and they do things like turn the tv on and off and i have an s cam to spy on the dogs and holy crap my home is almost automated i i don't have every piece covered but this is the way it's going to happen is and you know amazon is just going to sell you a few things and there's a few other things and then before you know it suddenly everything's automated and you're just talking to your pal al about everything you want to do yeah uh this is interesting and also two companies that i think are always prone to thinking a little bit outside the box in addition to amazon so i'm excited to see where they go well thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit that's how we get a lot of these great ideas about what to talk about go in there and vote on the stories at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com uh rob from damascus maryland has a differing take on the amazon echo and it's not one that i disagree with rob says today listen to your discussion of the echo and wanted to point out that over time it has become a bit less discerning in its interpretation of my instructions i've had one since the beta days and i have many in my house i'm a huge fan even though outside of shopping i tend to spend more time in the google ecosystem i believe that as they've added features i read that there are now 15 000 skills available they're crowding the headspace inside lx persons cognitive functions and with so many possible outcomes a misinterpretation is more likely it's frustrating that while i could once just say play w am you the local npr station it now has to be play w am you from tune in or risk getting some random i heart radio station instead i keep providing feedback but i don't see it getting better i still may give the new video product a go though the ones to tell you you've dressed like a fool is a bit much in my opinion and i'm right there with you rob uh play bbc world service used to work fine then i had to start saying play bbc news world service then suddenly that just stopped working and i had to go launch it from the app and then this week it's back to working again by just saying world service so i don't know what's going on there yeah you know uh amazon is a fascinating company when it comes to hardware uh uh there's enough that just works on the the echo that i think it will always kind of retain its core popularity but i do believe that it has hampered itself in terms of being more than what people use it kind of right out of the box because its ui is so slippery as to the other devices you know i think the amazon look or the the the echo look as well as the uh the home with the little uh with the little screen are both very emblematic of amazon's hardware strategy it's something popular let's come out with a billion different versions of it we'll throw them all at the wall we know that we can probably sell it up that we're not going to take a bath on if it uh if it if it does really really poorly we know we can push it about as far as it can humanly be pushed uh by our algorithms uh but we're not going to cry over spilled milk if nobody talks about these things again and they are just savaged by the reviews for which both of them have had a pretty thorough beating speaking of their their video and their look versions of echo so uh but but at the same time you know they don't cry they don't uh linger on it and try to pretend that it's a gigantic success they move on to the next day yeah and and it's early days uh we've heard about alibaba making a smart speaker we heard about samsung making a smart speaker with big speed obviously apple's got the home pod coming uh we're just we're just heating up with all of this smart speaker stuff google home is better than the echo at a lot of things uh its voice recognition is is superior uh some of its assistant functions are way better than the skills marketplace but then again friend of mine emailed today i was like why can't i make a call from my from my google home device when is that coming uh and i said you know i haven't heard either so it's we we aren't yet to the point where we can really compare apples and oranges here uh about all these things but this is the year of the smart speaker it may not be the only the year of the smart speaker but this is definitely the smart speaker is coming into its own right now it's having its time in the sun and we will find out whether or not it is uh you know i think many are hoping that it is a a a phone or a tablet market although this doesn't seem like the kind of thing that you would want to swap out every year uh but at the same time we will uh we will see exactly where it goes well thank you just and robert young as always uh what do you have going on with your anchor news game uh well uh 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but but but oops tom automated again bonfire of the anity is at the top still yeah is that your favorite uh hey i like it what is the what is the place we do the show titles and i'm blank show about a tv show jesus christ go away for one little weekend oh i have to ask you a question uh immediately after off the air justin you got it you were discretion advised your discretion not allowed uh all right guys i'm going to be i'm going to be right back be right back you don't have a title thought do you uh i i like uh i like bonfire of the anity all right uh i will be i will be right back by popular acclaim bonfire of the anity will be our headline and so my friends i bring the show to a close thank you all right there we go bonfire the anity it is i'm exporting now woohoo tv z gone says that patrick and his scarf are going to be in valerian in the city of a thousand planets what he did not tell me this let me see oh i get it i get it i get it wait what attack you have to click on the link from tv z gone that's pretty good uh dark redeemer has a hat trick on titles this week nice possible to get all five because we only had four shows or we will only have had four shows copy this copy that and to patient been roger yeah i'm really excited about uh um dan paterson if you want to brush up ahead of time for his appearance he's got a tech republic article called ukraine is a test bed for global cyber attacks that will target major infrastructure and he actually went to kiev and and researched the stories he's going to tell us a little more about it and you can read all about it at tech republic dot com we good wow he's even got some serilic in his article i'm impressed you still read it tom i can although i close the page hold on i went to an ad let me see um but uh where is that where is that part this piece something pod go road no where is it where is it where is it now i can't find it oh well no it's in here somewhere it's a good article though if you read it you'll find it then you can send me a screencap sorry about that that's all right i'm trying to find some serilic in dan paterson's article that we're doing for tomorrow's show well really and now i can't find it i swear i just saw it no not james paterson i'm james paterson buy my book that'd be pretty good buy my book watch this tv show based on one of his novels i was very disappointed were you a fan of the book no i didn't actually never read the book i try to avoid books with his name on it i'm sure some of them are good but yeah i remember when they made fun of them or at least kind of rift on them on snl when they had um now pochino uh robert de niro as like an author said buy up my books and they had they listed like 20 some odd books in the whole the whole like tv ad is funny yeah you know uh i kind of have a a lot of respect oh yeah a huge amount of respect for him i mean no no no i have respect for him i like if i see his name i won't read it roger's respect has limits apparently i mean yeah i mean i can't name a book that i have read right uh but that dude has had like 60 something number one best sellers like uh and and he's got his own little uh uh you know that he is a successful guy and he's earned his success i'm not disagreeing with that i'm just saying i don't read his book yeah no i'm agreeing with you i mean i don't either i think i may have read one once but i mean i guess like that's the thing is that i think it is almost dismissive to say like yeah he's a talented author because uh i mean i don't know i ain't never read his book so i wouldn't be able to say but uh i you can't argue with like his his success even if it's you know understood to be he comes up with a story somebody else writes the book they both put their name on the book but is bigger uh has has led to just i mean who else has 60 something number one best sellers right you want to write a book when i worked at when i worked at the used bookstore you had three categories for most books you'd pay uh 10 percent 15 percent or 20 percent of what we were going to sell it for based on how fast you thought it was going to sell now if something was a brand new hotbed seller like bridges of madison county was when it first came out uh then you might pay above 20 percent and if something was just never going to sell you would pay anything but but that was the main categories were were 10 15 20 james patterson was a solid 20 every time every book every time well you know what i think he realized and and i think he was ahead of his time on it which is his readers read faster than it is understood by publishers or authors to create books it's looked at as as unseemly or at least it has been in the past as unseemly to come out with more than x amount of books a year right and yet people who are your biggest fans uh you know burn through these these especially these thrillers they just rip through them act like you know a book every day and a half kind of yeah yeah yeah right no he's because because it was it was you know there was literature and there was pulp fiction and then philip k dick and and and a bunch of mystery writers and science fiction writers even asimov came out of the pulp fiction world and people are like hey what they write is actually really good yeah and and and and that kind of opened the door for people like james patterson to be like yeah i can i can write really fast and still not be thought of as pulp fiction yeah you know uh one of my favorite stories that james randy ever told me him it was about as a guy's mom uh isaac asimov they said that yeah it was the way one of those it's i i saw it on anchor news so anchor news right yeah it's fine um he uh you know calls asimov hang out or something right they're both okay and uh it's pretty baller right there but yeah all right yeah no well they were they were friends and uh there's i'd say what man i really wish if there's one do-over i could have in my life it would be to do the james randy podcast again because i did one with him and like i was so wet behind the years i did no research it was literally just the idea of like just get all these james randy stories on tape because he's got a million stories about everybody right and he's such a great storyteller uh anywho so asimov calls asimov and he assumes asimov is somewhere uh which was more in fashion at the time near a uh like like a ticker tape or something because he just hears this like snapping in the background asking him hey man what do you want to do you want to go to lunch he's like yeah you know i don't know what i'm feeling i mean maybe uh maybe we'll go down to get a sandwich he's like oh you know that we got into the deli though i got a good meatloaf and so he's having this conversation with him average run-of-the-mill conversation but uh just back and forth and he keeps hearing this kind of tapping he's like isaac what are you doing it's like oh i'm writing it's like what do you mean you're writing it's like oh you're talking to me on the phone like making lunch plans and writing at the same time like you didn't stop he's like no no why would i it's like oh my god just that yeah um that's what's happened when you hear me making noise when justin and i talk at his twitch stream i'm totally writing asimov level fiction that's exactly what's going on exactly yeah a man who has defined fiction my god that's just bang bang and stuff out i mean you look at the prolific nature of him and ultimately that's that's really what uh the the problem with that kind of uh output is that it violates this narrative that all novels are works of art that need you mean they're crafted slowly lifetimes to hone yeah well isn't that the whole isn't that the whole kind of uh mystique behind small batch handcrafted whatever like it's that it's not mass produced it's not it's not i wouldn't say thoughtlessly but it's kind of almost a careless abandoned to shove it out no it's thoughtfully you know you know looked over and you know someone's very pensive about like writing a chapter you know you gotta these good things take time i mean right isn't the whole thing and in all of those it's not to say that taking time doesn't make something better because it often does but i think it's to say that taking time isn't the definitive factor in whether something's good or not well i mean it depends on who's writing it right exactly would you go up to isaac as mom and say no this is not ready for another to eight marks you did that too fast isaac go back to your room and work on it for another six years come up with some new laws for these robots you have here i know i know come on what is it three we can at least get up to five there's slack in here yeah no it's true i i mean if your isaac has a lot of and you write something good then it's good doesn't matter how long it took if however you're putting out crap uh then maybe you should take more time and care maybe that'll help but also on the other end of the spectrum just taking a long time to do something doesn't make it good either oh how many of these ponderous urban fantasy world building you know uh side winding nonsense novels do you have to read be like all right well maybe you just maybe you spent maybe this world's a little too built maybe we didn't need every little uh every little dips and doodle on the end of it yeah yeah so i think i think there's a tendency for cramming too much people want to sell to the brim when it's not always necessary i mean it's it's i mean it's it's one of those things yeah like oh no i'm sorry i was about to say like um who's that techno throughout tom clancy right like he came he he's he he's always i mean he i should used to come because it passed away uh from a very like i want a very detailed like you know you know the opera works on hunt hunt for the red october it's you know very detailed understanding of the ship or the submarine that you're in because that's part of the allure the attraction of those books is to kind of feel that you know world that he's he's created for other things i mean it depends if you're talking about a or if you're writing a book about a struggle of you know a son trying to come out from underneath the shadow of an overbearing father you don't necessarily need to have every detail of the small town he grew up in or maybe you do i mean it's it's it's it's really context i think yeah douglas adams made fun of american authors for for all of that the details of how they made their breakfast and yeah yeah well gentlemen uh we are published we are out there on the internet so thank you all for joining us for being with us take care of each other and we'll see you tomorrow see you tomorrow


Like once you've upgraded to 144 you can't go back, but before you have it. You don't know what you don't have So you're just dealing with it, right? I feel like there's no difference. I have it now. It's actually no difference No, you probably don't even have it enabled bro. I swear either that you've just got some low FTS eyes Like have you got two screens I have two screens both hundred and forty four and ease okay, okay So my side ones are 60 right if I drag the there's the mass across you can see like nice like lagging on the 60 Uh, it's one right. It's like jittering and then you get to the 144 and it's smooth going across, you know Yeah


Kremlin propagandists threatened the Netherlands with a missile attack. The Netherlands authorities did not hesitate to threaten the Russian Federation. Allegedly, they will complain about Moscow to the international court.  People living in Amsterdam? These words were said by the well-known Russian TV presenter Vladimir Soliviev during the broadcast of his program, Evening with Vladimir Soliviev. He said, It seems that the Netherlands have lost their minds from smelling lilies. What? Your power has arisen? Or your army? What is threatening the Russian Federation? Don't you think that we will destroy you with one missile strike? After all, it's funny. How can you threaten us? We know how to make you emotional.


Dow. Dow industry is up 253. We get the Nasdaq up 235. S&Ps up 43. I guess today folks is Tory Nelson. Tory is running for the mayor of St Pete. We have elections tomorrow. Tory is dedicated to building our community, making sure every voice is heard. You can find Tory's website folks at Tory4StPete.goDaddySites.com. Tory, welcome to TFNN. Thanks for having me, Tom. How are you? I'm doing great, man. I'm doing great. Well, tell us why you want to be mayor of St Pete. Oh, wow. We have an hour segment here. Well, yeah, it's so many different things that makes me want to become mayor. It's always been an aspiration of mine. But some of the main issues that I keep hearing around the community, I keep hearing people complain about affordability. And I feel, you know, it's time for me to step up. It's time for me to make my run and time for me to make a change. There's a lot of things, environment. I'm really big on environment. My background is law. But since I started my campaign, I became an environmentalist and I'm going to restore our natural resources. I'm going to add biodiversity to our landscape. I'm going to overhaul our land with all our native plants so we can have ocean friendly plants. And it's a ton of stuff, Tom. So let me ask you this. Listen, those are great things, right? So I know in Childs Park, okay, so did you open a homeless shelter in Childs Park? Tell me about that. Yes, sir, I did. What I did, I took a student loan and I got an agreement for deed. A lot of people don't know agreement. Well, I'm a true American. My credit was shot. Okay. Yeah. I took agreement for deed in Florida agreement for deed is considered a sale. So at the height of my real estate career, I was up to like four transitional homes. So I took a student loan. I got a multifamily home. It was a seven bedroom house with a two bedroom garage apartment and I converted it to a transitional home. And like I said, at the height of my real estate career, I was leased in one building and I had two duplexes in the one home in Childs Park. So I was up to four transitional homes and I was taking a lot of people off the streets at one point. And when you do that, so were you getting paid by the state to do that? How does that work? I did it totally with no government funding. Okay. That's why I'm resourceful. Like I'm listening to your show and you're talking about, you know, that's not my arena investing. Because I guess I got scared money. They say scared money don't make no money. But I'm very resourceful. I was running the homeless shelter in Childs Park with like 1500 overhead. I paid my life to my water and my mortgage. What made you want to do that? Well, I was getting, I got bowel tested. I was constantly getting pro with different city departments and I was lasting. I was meeting angels along the way. Different people that was living in my shelter was helping me. Okay. And we just kept, I kept running for almost a decade. So let me ask you something. You know, every city has problems. Okay. And the younger kids right now, you know, it's interesting, Tori. My take on the violence is right across the country is that, you know, I'm a lot older than you. In fact, 30 years older than you. And when we were growing up, it was always the 14 to 18, you got to make it through that deal. And when I was growing up, it was very violent across the country. When we were 14, it was 1964, you know, going forward. Then it leveled out. What people don't understand right now is that the demographics right now are bigger than even that. So inside the major cities, like let's say inside, what can we do? Do you think in order to bring the violence down outside of education? I know education is huge. There's no doubt about it.  Now everyone's getting shot though. It's a huge difference, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, you know, a big part of it, I think it's the evolution of music. Music, when you're young, it kind of like influences you. Okay. You know, TV kind of influences you. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So you see stuff and you want to kind of emulate it. You want to be like that person. And a lot of the rappers today, I believe they're glorifying guns and shooting and killing. And a lot of our youth before their, their brain is, it's like maturing is actually going down this road. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I got. No, go ahead, please. I was the same way when I was 14. I was too. It's a great point, man.  You only know four square blocks when you're growing up, man. And then all of a sudden you get outside and say, hey, man, the whole rest of the world is not like this. Okay. So that's interesting, man. And I can see that. So how do we get into these kids' heads and just say, hey, man, can you like just give it a break for a few years? Because you're going to get over 19 or 20. And then we'll stop thinking a little bit better. Yeah, definitely. I think maybe if we inform the kids like anger management a lot, we can implement anger management because one second of getting angry, because a lot of kids are toad guns. They don't know the consequences. If we can let them know the consequences. Right. Yeah. Constantly reinforcing pretty much brainwashing the same thing they're seeing or listening to on TV. If we brainwash the same positivity, hopefully it'll level that out a little bit. And then I guess another question would be this. Okay. So you open a homeless shelter, which is awesome.  We know, listen, you're not going to be mayor tomorrow, but that's all right. It doesn't matter. I'm glad you're running. That's the bottom line. But you'll be a great activist. So let me ask you this. So we have communities in need. You already opened a homeless shelter.  They're in the can. They can back out of the can. Okay. Now the question is, how do we help them? Because you can't go back to the same corner. If you go back to the same corner, you're going to go back to your friends. And all of a sudden there's trouble again. It's like, okay, man. So how do we help folks that have gotten trouble? You know, and most of the trouble is not serious trouble at the beginning. Okay. It's, it's petty trouble. But then all of a sudden then, hey, guess what?  How can we help kids that are coming back out of jail so that they can basically get into the system without basically doing 10,000 hoops? Yeah. That's a great question. See, you told me to show education, but that has a lot to do with it. I think it does. No, it does. Yeah. I think gives you a better quality of life.  Right. So a lot of them have to turn into entrepreneurs. And it's just like keeping up with the Joneses. Our economy is just thriving right now down here in St. Pete. Yes. Yeah. Rent skyrocketing. So it's hard for God. I'll just say a guy to be the head of his household. You want to have a girlfriend. You want to have a family, but you constantly got your girl on your head. You can't make enough money.   So with better education, I believe maybe we can implement some reentry programs to teach them to be entrepreneurs. Hopefully that can help because basically there's no second chances once you once you get in trouble. All right. Right. I'm a living testament of that. I graduated with a bachelor's degree, two degrees actually, and I got in trouble. And I like your the quote you just said a little while ago. If you live in the past, you forget. Yeah. Isn't that a great card then? Yeah. You're going to be here now, man. I know. I'm going to start using that. But listen, man, I will send you that quote. Well, listen, man, this has been a pleasure. I look forward to having you on again and bottom line. I hope you get a lot of votes tomorrow, man.  That's a beautiful thing. Oh, thank you, Tom. I appreciate you having me. Thanks, Terry. Thanks, Tori. Have a great one. Have a safe one. You too. That's Tori Nelson, folks. He's running for mayor tomorrow. Our elections in St. Pete. His website is Tori4StPeteGoDaddy.GoDaddySites.com. Dow Industries right now at about 2.56. You get the NASDAQ up 240. S&P's up 43. Stay right there, folks. Come right back.


Every day we rely on a substance that's harder than iron or steel, our teeth.  And if they're harder than bone, then why does your jaw, which is made of bone, not crumble under all that pressure? There's a bit of tissue called the periodontal ligament, or PDL, around your teeth under your gums. The PDL is the shock absorber, cushioning your jawbone from all the chewing forces. Okay, so far so good.  Sure, it looks kind of goofy, but that's not the only reason that somebody might want to fix it.  So how do we fix this? Well, we basically break our mouths, with braces, except it's actually our bodies that do the breaking. The PDL has these cells called mechanoreceptors.  Braces tether your teeth, pulling them together or pushing them apart. Either way, they're applying a steady force to your teeth. And when mechanoreceptors in the PDL sense this kind of smaller but sustained force, they signal cells called osteoclasts to the area, which spew out acid and proteins to dissolve parts of your jawbone. Then the mechanoreceptors signal osteoblasts to come, and those cells deposit minerals that make bone. Osteoblasts rebuild the jawbone in a new shape that lets the PDL hold teeth in the new position. So braces basically force your body to dissolve itself and then rebuild itself according to their evil whims. Sounds barbaric, right? But your body is actually breaking down and rebuilding bone using osteoclasts and osteoblasts all the time, not just if you have braces. Bone remodeling is just the way our body grows. The infant body replaces almost all of its original skeleton by the time it's a year old. And it happens throughout our entire life. 10% of my bone material is technically new since last year. We can manipulate the bone remodeling process to not only get straighter teeth, but also to treat diseases like osteoporosis, which make your bones very brittle. By keeping overactive osteoclasts from dissolving the bone so much, or by boosting osteoblasts to produce more bone, drugs can prevent bones in those patients from breaking so easily. People with severe bone injury have to rely on bone transplants, where they take bone from other parts of their body and move it to the damaged area, which is sometimes not even possible and is always painful. So instead, Paula Hammons' group at MIT has created a new material that very slowly releases proteins. And these proteins cause osteoblasts to go right to the site where the injury happened and generate new bone. Now this was a really big deal for us because it's really hard to generate something that very slowly releases the protein. Most of the time, the protein comes out very rapidly and gets swept away in the body so that it no longer has any effect. It's easy to write braces off as a form of medieval torture, but it's kind of amazing that this mouth torture actually works. And the technology that makes it possible is not just in your braces. It's in your bones. Hi, my name is Andrea and thank you for watching this episode of Science Out Loud. If you liked this episode, why don't you check out some of these other videos? And visit our website. They're separate things.


And then get started. Welcome everybody I'm Cliff Lynch I'm the director of the coalition for networked information and I'll be introducing the session today. You have reached one of the project briefing sessions. That's part of week three of the fall 2020 virtual CNI membership meeting. This is to remind you week three is themed around technology standards and infrastructure and all three of those are quite relevant here I think the session is being recorded the recording will be available subsequently. There is closed captioning available. There is chat available and please feel free to use that throughout the session. We also have a Q&A tool. After we hear all of the presentations at this session, Diane Goldenberg Hart from CNI will moderate a Q&A session. Please feel free to put questions in at any point during the presentation and we'll try and address as many as possible at the end. I think that we have had a change in speakers here. Jessica Meyerson is not with us today, but you and Cochran from Yale is joining his colleagues, Seth Anderson and Ethan Gates, both also from Yale. A full background on this project. This is one of these really deeply strategic projects that's trying to really build out a robust service for emulating software in obsolete environments. So it's a fundamental cornerstone of software preservation strategy. It's been going on for a while it's received funding from Mellon and Sloan foundations both, and it has very close connections to the wonderful work of the software preservation network. Although the Yale library has been the sort of technological nexus of the work. I do want to note also for those of you who were with us earlier this week, Natalie Myers and her colleagues at the University of Notre Dame have been doing some very interesting interlinkage integration between the work that's being reported here and their work on press QT. So, if you're interested in what you hear here you may want to go back and look at the video of the presentation from that session. And with that, I just want to thank our speakers from the Yale for coming to update us on this really important project, and I'll turn it over to Seth to start the presentations. Thank you, Cliff. Good afternoon and greetings from New Haven Connecticut. My home office here. It's a shame we can't meet in person. I always enjoy the opportunity to see folks face to face and talk about our project but we are thrilled to be here virtually to provide an update on the easy program of work. So as Cliff mentioned, I am Seth Anderson, the software preservation program manager at Yale University library and the co PI on the easy program. And I'm joined today by you and Cochran, who is the digital preservation manager at Yale and my, my co PI, who's joining us from New Zealand. I'm also joined by Ethan Gates, our software preservation analyst and user support lead for easy. So in July of this year easy entered its second phase of the program. Thanks to the continued funding from the Sloan and Mellon foundations. We are excited to share an update on where we've come since our last presentation on easy at CNI, which was in the spring of 2019. And then we're going to look ahead at our plans for this next two year round of funding. And then demonstrate some of the work that we have completed over the last couple of years, and some new functionality that we're hoping to incorporate into the system in the coming year and a half. So, let me just. Okay, there we go. Cliff gave a pretty good summary of what easy is but I will just venture to give a little more detail before diving into our project timeline. So, we like to think of easy as the combination of the emulation as a service technology and additional sort of user oriented functionality that we've been developing and of that technology, the services that we provide to our users to support their use of the system, and then also that community of users that are aiding us in determining a roadmap for easy you know helping us figure out what new features we need to prioritize, but also just generally helping us chart a path through what is the still developing and maturing practice of software preservation and access through emulation. So, for those of you who aren't aware, easy is built on the emulation as a service framework, which was originally developed at the University of Freiberg and continues to be developed by open SLX which is a company of developers from that original team at Freiberg. And the service allows users to create manage and access emulation environments through a web based interface, so that they can then load their own digital collections materials into the emulated computer systems that contain sort of underlying software required to render and manipulate those digital materials so for instance you have old word processing documents in a collection. And then load those into a computer environment that contains the compatible software and provide sort of authentic or as close to authentic access to those materials. As, as can, as is possible, using the emulation service. The program is made up of three of us from Yale, plus the developers from open SLX, and we also receive support from Jessica, Myerson at educopia, and Catherine who is the leader of the wiki data for digital preservation program and serves as our semantic architect utilize and distribute the metadata that we have been creating as part of our ongoing work on easy. So, just give a quick update from where where we've come since spring of 2019. I believe at that time we were still in the early days of having just put out our first beta release of the easy software, and that included the easy software, which I forgot to mention, which allows the users of easy to exchange and reuse software installation materials and preconfigured emulation environments from other organizations to provide access to their materials. So, if you have need of a software title that you don't have locally, either at your institution or even within your own easy system, you can copy that to your infrastructure and run it and reuse it as however you need. So, in 2019, we worked on the beta release of easy with the network. And we provided that to our initial set of network institutions or nodes, which included Notre Dame, who are here today. Stanford, UC San Diego. See if I can get them all Carnegie Mellon and University of Virginia plus Yale acting as its own node. I think I don't think I left anyone out of that first group. And over the summer after shortly after the meeting in spring of 2019, we released a public version of the easy system which contains sort of just example versions of open source operating systems and software that anyone on the web can access and poke around in just to give an idea of the kinds of legacy software you can interact with and through emulation. And that'll come up in a moment when looking forward in the next one and a half years. And then throughout 2019 we continued to work on an updated interface for easy. And that was released in early 2020 around March or April. And this was a huge undertaking that we were able to complete with the aid of the software development company portal media out of Wisconsin. And it provides a more intuitive and user friendly interface to search and discover the environments and software that would be available in an easy system. It will have additional features for documentation that we hope to implement sometime soon. And then also just has a additional administrative feed. So for instance you can create user accounts now we have role specifications that control the actions that certain user types are permitted to perform. And you know it just generally looks and feels a little bit better than previous versions of the system. So that has been in the hands of our users since April and we continue to tinker with it. And it is, you know, part of the focus of this next two years which started in July is to see what happens when users have access to this version of the system and to learn from that and continue to improve the system. So we have a number of targets that we've set for ourselves during this next two years. There are some more R&D focused development features that we'll be working on including incorporation of emulation of mobile systems, in particular the Android operating system that is open source and Google developed. We'll be incorporating support for emulating computer networks. And we're going to continue to improve on a number of automation features that we've started prototyping. And we'll incorporate into the interface to further simplify the process of creating and manipulating or or customizing your emulation environments. But I would say our real focus over this next two years is establishing easy as a service, even though it's there in the title, one of the things that we've learned over the first two and a half years of the project is just how difficult it is to support a growing number of users. And as we continue to scale up the system, we want to make sure that we have a mature and well thought out and that we have the capacity to support a growing number of institutions that will hopefully be using easy. So with that in mind, we're putting a lot of emphasis on ensuring the stability of the software and the code that underlies the easy interface and the back end. And we're taking a real look at the support services we provide so making sure that we have, you know, the mechanisms to allow users to report bugs or ask questions or seek advice on the use of the system and then use the expertise that we as a team have developed over a number of years to enable and empower the users of the system to implement it effectively. And then finally we are really, really, really, really, really emphasizing sustainability both from an organizational standpoint and from a technological standpoint so like I said we're looking at making sure we have a stable system. But also we want by the end of this funding period to in some way, and we don't exactly know the scope of this yet, but start providing an easy service, you know, with a service model and payment mechanisms so that we can continue to sustain the work that goes into easy and continue to expand its functionality and expand the community of users that are participating in using the system. So, just a few other highlights from our timeline, just to give you a sense of where we are headed. So for the past six months we've been working on a new addition of the system which will be the hosted edition so currently all the users have it installed on their local infrastructure, but we've seen a need certainly over the last year for a version of this that is supported and has infrastructure provided by the easy program so that institutions that maybe don't have the funds or sufficient IT support can still use easy and they will then just use the hosted edition of that. And to test that out, we have arranged with the Software Preservation Network to do a pilot program through most of 2021, where in the current membership of SPIN, we'll have the option to elect to use this hosted edition and we'll be monitoring and guiding activities with them to, again, learn what it looks like when we add more users into the system, and what it looks like from to the team and our capacity to manage a larger scale of a larger user base. And then towards the end of, sorry, I can't, my screen's a little too crowded. Towards the end of this funding period, we also hope to turn that public sandbox version of easy into a functional node, so that individuals who maybe are unable to use easy at, you know, through an institutional framework, through their institution or just members of communities outside of sort of institutional frameworks who want to use emulation will have an opportunity to do so through the the public node. And that will again only include open source software. But we are, we anticipate, given the breadth of software available from the open source community that that would be a valuable platform for, you know, both exploring the history of open source software but also using it as a tool to access, you know, order collections. So, those are our plans. And as I mentioned, we wanted to spend most of our time today demonstrating some of the work we're doing so I will first be giving a demo of an upcoming service that we're going to be releasing at the library, the Yale University emulation viewer, then Ethan's going to give a demo of the universal virtual interact, which is the sort of engine of our automation functionality. And then you and is going to show off our ability to emulate computer networks and talk about how that will be a powerful feature in the system coming up in the next couple of years. So let me just take a breath. Before I dive into demo mode. And of course, certainly, please feel free to post any questions that you have in the Q&A. And we'll get to them in a second. All right, so that is, okay. Emulation viewer is a service that will be released to the Yale community starting next year. And it is based on some work I'm going to pause that before it gets ahead of me. So this is started by you and when he when he started at Yale to create digital copies of the CD ROMs in the library circulating collection with an eye towards using emulation to provide access in the future. So, when I started in 2017, we were taking our first steps towards configuring the CD ROMs featuring the CD ROM titles from from the library. And what I'm trying to demonstrate here is just how many we have there are thousands of disks that are in the circulating collection, which are rarely accessed because of the obsolescence general obsolescence of the CD ROM format. And a lot of these are very interesting and we hope that will be will be helpful to researchers. And so the idea I'm going to take you walk you through the workflow that we foresee, even though it's still in the works in some cases. But the idea is that the emulation environment and the viewer that that users will access exists in the same way as you would say like an ebook reader in in the library's infrastructure. Users will, you know, search through Yale's various catalog formats, and there will be a link as I'm circling here where now you have this option to request the physical copy. But instead you would have a link that says view the emulation or don't recall exactly what the text would be.  We're not offering them the ability to like save changes or print or do do any sort of robust manipulation of the contents of these disks. But these environments which have been set up by student workers and we thank them for their service. They have been set up to quickly get the user to the contents of the disk so as you saw there. The environment brought up this viewer which then goes to an HTML HTML page. And from there you can click through the materials in this title on neurochemistry. So our setting certain restrictions on the service so you do have to sign in through Yale's authentication service so if you don't have a Yale account you will not have access to these materials. And then we've also limited access to one environment at a time so that the user tries to log in while someone else is accessing it they will not be able to, and we'll have to return later. When they, when the person is no longer taking their seat. So like I said that'll be made available in January and we're very excited to see what the response looks like. But I will now just quickly know change slides, because I'm already over time. What I want to point out is that we're using this work as well to serve as the basis of a separate service that we're going to make available to the, you know, other institutions. And all of these CDROM environments that we've configured will be available for institutions to say match up with their own collections, and then they'll be provided a link to a separate type of access page it's not exactly the same as the one that Yale is using now. They'll be able to skin it, and you know, align the sort of header and information to their look and feel for their institution. I really I'm glossing over this so please feel free to ask questions about that when we enter into the Q&A. So this is what the access page would eventually look like. Very quick. I realized so as I said please if you have questions, we'll discuss a little later but I'll now turn it over to Ethan to talk about the UVI. Thank you and can you hold off on a second before you start playing that video. Yeah, I'm really excited to share with you all our advances in over the past year or so and what we call our easy API, the universal virtual interact or the UVI and the, what the UVI does is it basically allows users to query the requirements that are available in the easy network based on an input file or set of files. And once those files are uploaded or provided to the UVI, the UVI is automatic file characterization matches those input files with software that can render that file. The API can either return that metadata so just providing the user with some useful information about what computing is or applications could open and interact with that file and it can even or can even return the emulated environment itself with the file mounted in it for interaction via emulation via the browser. So if you could start up our demo video here, Seth, I'm going to show exactly what that means. If I upload into our demonstration UVI interface, an older spreadsheet file, we can see that the UVI will return to results based on that automatic characterization that concludes this is in fact an Excel version 3.0 file format file. One environment runs Windows 95 and Corel word perfect suite which is what we're loading up first. And the other return result returned Windows 98 plus Microsoft Office 97 both of them capable of opening this file in theory so if I click render, as I just did in the demo video here. On on the first suggestion we receive a running Windows 95 emulation and even automatically mount and open the provided spreadsheet in the specified application were perfect quadro. And at that point you're free to interact and view your given file but you also have the option to compare with the UVI is other suggested results so again in the video I just showed I clicked on alternative results. Click on alternative environment and switch over to the Windows 98 plus Office 97 environment. And after a minute we'll get the exact same file. This time just running in a different application. So you can see in this case also that there is some content in the spreadsheet that was not properly rendered in the word perfect application. A minute ago so this ability to compare different emulations different applications different renderings, even if they, they are there are multiple environments multiple, multiple applications technically capable of reading the same file format is really critical for assessment evaluation and proper access of legacy digital content moving the future. And finally at the tail end of the video there you're. You can see that because we allowed data export at the beginning of this process. We can even use Office 97 as a conversion or a migration tool, saving out the Excel 3.0 file to a newer format, something that would be legible perhaps in office 365 and receive that converted file as output so again, we can use it both as an assessment as an access and a migration tool. The UVI is also capable of working with more complex multi file sets, as we are demonstrating here by this data set from the Yale Institute for social and policy studies is data archive. Here we've selected a legacy status script from the archive along with a number of additional data files that the script is intended to be run against. The automatic file characterization again identifies an appropriate rendering application environment in this case windows XP with state attend and renders that input. I'll admit that these videos are slightly sped up just for the sake of presentation, but at the tail end of this video. You should glimpse the state of script again just automatically starting to run mounted in in the windows XP environment and automatically run by state attend the state of script just takes a little while to actually crunch the data and actually produce any output. But by doing so, you know, that's just not why we're showing you're right here to you today but by doing so you can verifiably go back and verify the results of the associated study that this data set was a part of that was originally published and I believe about 2006. So really important for data reproducibility moving to the future. Next slide please. These videos have shown off what you've been seeing is our demo interface for testing and demonstrating UVI functionality but it is also important to emphasize that the UVI is an API is ultimately meant to be used with and integrated into broader preservation and data curation tools as well as work flows. To that end we have been working with the University of Notre Dame on their email is funded presqt file transfer web application as stuff mentioned earlier and Natalie is I believe actually here in the call and the Notre Dame team spoke more about the presqt project earlier at CNI earlier this week. So do go check that out. And Natalie do call me out in the chat if I mischaracterize anything here, but the presqt platform is intended to enhance reproducibility and open sharing of resource data. And their initial work does involve an easy service integration via the UVI API so let's say you have a set of files stored in OSF like perhaps a set of research about what it would take to build a universal virtual and once you've transferred those files into presqt you'll have the option of selecting the easy service as this button shows and next slide please. If you click on that button it submits the contents of that OSF project or GitHub, whatever the source project is submits that data to the UVI for the exact same process of characterization that we just demonstrated in the presentation about what software and environments could render those files and get them all packaged up and deposited that metadata packaged up in positive along with the files for the long term stability and characterization of that data. Perfect last slide please. And since so much of the UVI work is dependent on that whole process of automatic file characterization and matching of file formats with the software that created it or or or that can open them. I'll also note that Yale has been working with independent developer Ross Spencer to create a version of the file characterization tool Siegfried that integrates wiki data identifiers and wiki data is really important because wiki data already associates hundreds I mean thousands of file formats with compatible software applications. And there are you know more such associations by the day thanks to our colleague cat Thornton and the wiki DP project. So by piggybacking on that wiki data work via the Siegfried development, even more of the process that I've been describing with the UVI can be automated, but it's down on the amount of redundant documentation of re associating file formats with software applications. And between that and just the growing number of environments and legacy software applications that we have in the easy network, the UVI's recommendations and functionality are just going to get better and better and better over time as more people join and upload to the network. That's all from me. So I'll hand it off to you and to talk about networks. Okay. Good afternoon. I just want to say, in relation to what Ethan was just talking about, Ross has donated this time to do that work. Integrating wiki data with Siegfried. And I want to thank him very much for that it's been a lot of a lot of his, a lot of hours from him, and he's going to release a report at some point I think which I'll share and a lot of information in there about how much time he spent and just the amount of work that's gone into this but I'm really excited about what he's been able to do. So I just wanted to briefly talk about what we've got coming up around adding the ability to emulate entire networks in easy. This is come from some work that open SLX have done and some other work I've been doing with the developers there on a kind of commercial offshoot. So what you're seeing here is a screenshot from some of that work where at the bottom, you probably can't make it up very easily but you can see there are two environments. This is a configuration page for what we're calling an emulated network. You can see there you can actually add as many environments as you want and then if you click on edit on one of those is pop up and you can change the settings for those environments as and set things up like if you want to map a port and access the environment from your local machine using a secure proxy. We can enable that. You can also set the the network name or the URL for the machine within that network. So then if you say browse to that in the browser and it's running a web server. It'll map to that exact address. So the basic idea is you combine some machines together you maybe even add some network services like DHCP server or a file sharing server or an active directory server. And then you save that as a configured thing. It's a new type of preservable things so in a network of environments. And that network can then be started at any point in time or it can be run permanently and accessed on demand. So if you go to the next slide please. Here's an example. This what you'll see is Windows Server 2003 opening up. So this is the start of a network. We're logging in there. And this particular machine is running SharePoint 2007 with SQL Server. It's all in better than one machine. Yeah, SQL Server 2005 with SharePoint 2007 I think or maybe 2003. And in a minute you'll see or move up to the top right there where you'll be able to you can see you can switch between the two machines that are in this network. So there's an XP machine running into the Explorer 6 which is the one that was compatible with this version of SharePoint at the time. And it is networks just to that other machine so it's isolated from the internet making it much more secure. And only those two machines can now communicate with each other but as you can see it's able to access the server and you're able to interact with everything as you would have normally. And this opens up a whole world of new options for preserving the content that we all have to deal with. I think one of the most exciting ones is simply being able to preserve these large scale databases and have meaningful ways to access them. So I mentioned briefly that you're able to access these remotely if you want to through a secure proxy service. So it's possible to say run SQL Server or any other large scale database and access it remotely on your local machine from the emulated version. And then if you have custom clients you can add the client into the network as well so that the users can just use that client maybe running on desktop machine. As we're seeing here with Internet Explorer 6 to access whatever it is you've got in the server machine in your network. There's also all sorts of opportunities here for any sort of web based content and complex websites where if you're able to catch the servers, you'll be able to keep them available in a very similar way to how they were available originally. So that's just kind of a teaser for what we'll be working on with the networks over the next phase of the grants. All right. Okay, so I hope that got you all excited for the future of easy. We have a lot more planned, obviously, and we hope to continue to expand and improve the functionality, but I would have, I would be remiss if I didn't point out of course that none of this would be possible without the support of our funders. I also want to make sure to thank Yale University Library for continuing to serve as the host and main host of easy as a program. And with that, I'll say thanks and open it up for Q&A. Excellent. Thank you. Yeah, that was very exciting. Just tremendous examples of what this really powerful emulator can do. Thank you. Thanks so much for that presentation to all of you and thank you to our attendees for joining us here today. And as Seth said, we have reserved some time here for questions. So I hope folks will jump in and share some questions with us now. Let us know what you're thinking. If you have comments as well, pop them right there into the Q&A box and we'll be happy to address those. I have a quick, probably very minor question that I have. I was just wondering, you said that you're restricting access to one user at a time. Is that right? Yeah, in the Yale emulation viewer. So that is its own separate service from, it's powered by easy, but it's not the easy service. So the easy service, the interface and the back end functionality of that, that serves as, you know, essentially like a management system for your environment that you create and provide access to. So for instance, our students go use easy to find compatible environments for the CD ROMs that they're configuring. They load the CDs into the emulator, and then they save that as an access environment. With that access environment, we then put the link through the magic of the web page viewer when the researcher clicks through the catalog. It's calling the easy service and saying, I need to access this single environment, and that's what renders in the viewer page. And since it's a little, I mean, we have the controls just like let's say if Yale had two copies of a CD, we could set it up to allow two users to access it simultaneously. We wanted to make sure we had some constraint on this, you know, from a Well, speaking to lawyers and also in considering the fair use arguments for this, because these were purchased items at some point in the library's past, we kind of adopted the one copy one generation policy. So, while we have the option to just, you know, the technology would allow us to open it up to as many people as we at once as we wanted. Put some constraints around it. It is, it's, you know, one seat for one license essentially. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. Very good. I mean, the easy platform provides the scaffolding for whoever is implementing the service at their institution to make those decisions and constrain in any number of ways so it could be a simultaneous sessions it could be IP restriction. And easy the platform sort of provides the administrative interface by which any individual institution can come to their own conclusion based on their analysis of with their materials of what they want to do with those. And I should say as well we are planning to provide more granular permissions within easy for for end user access. We are having a service outside of easy that calls to the back end to the API these the emulation service API. We are looking to have settings within the easy interface so within that system. You can see how it gets confused using all the different versions and components of the system. The easy system you would you would hopefully have the capability as you would with you know most access oriented systems like whatever your video streaming so if you use a very something similar where you can say, you know, only a specific user has access so for like special collections and reading room purposes you could say this user account can access this this specific environment for a week. And there we were looking into potentially also restricting it to specific IP addresses so if needed to have it only available to turn like a single terminal in the reading room. Or if you needed to restrict it to a range of IP addresses, you know within, say, your university network, you could do that as well.  We had hoped to get a little further along than we are now. But we obviously foresee a future where it will be highly beneficial to researchers to be able to access digital collections without having to travel to the university. And so we, we are excited and like I'm, I want us to be able to get there sooner but I can't kill our developers so yeah, that's what you and tells me. Very good. Well, I don't see any questions in the chat right now so I'm just going to take one last opportunity to thank our presenters for bringing this to CNI and sharing it with our community. It's really a fascinating project and we look forward to continuing to watch its development so thank you again for being here and thank you to our attendees for joining us today. I'll go ahead and turn off the recording portion of the presentation but any attendees who are still with us. I think our presenters will hang out with us a little bit longer for a chat so if you want to join us just raise your hand I'll be happy to turn on your microphone and you can join the conversation. So thanks everybody and take care. Bye bye.