Hush hush. I thought I heard her calling my name and I was right. There is a deep purple iPhone 14 pro and I am loving this color we're gonna talk about that and Everything else that Apple discussed or at least everything else that's of interest to us and we think of is of interest to you digging into some of the specs of what Apple discussed at their far out man event Here on Mackie gab episode 945 for Wednesday, September 7th, 2022 Spokes and indeed welcome to Mackie gab the show where you normally send in your questions your tips and your cool stuff Found a feedback at Mackie come and we answer those for you And we will be doing that on schedule again next week like we do every week today though The three of us just finished watching actually many of us not just the three of us recording this show But many of us just finished watching Apple's far-out event and We're gonna talk about what we saw and what jumped out at us not just the deep purple color But but pretty much everything else that jumped out at us And that's what we're doing today sponsors for this episode include BB at it from bare-bone software We'll talk more about that a little bit later for now here up in the studio in Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton And here up in what I call my office Though you could call it a studio now you can't I gotta I gotta get Padding and stuff like that But anyways here in fearful Connecticut. This is John from And here in Indianapolis, Indiana in my remote studio Pilot feet getting ready to go on the road tonight guys, but Couldn't pass up the chance to join you. Yeah. Yeah. All right.  So Let's let's start with the iPhone and And I don't know that we will we will make sure to delineate between the 14 and the 14 pro in fact Obviously the first thing we need to do is mourn the loss celebrate the short existence of The iPhone mini I'm sad that that this iPhone 13 mini will be my my last iPhone mini But you know, it's fine and actually might make a great camera here now Because I don't think anybody in my house wants it and with that whole new, you know iPhone can be your webcam thing coming in iOS 16 and Then Mako has been sure and all that maybe maybe that just becomes my camera here in the studio And maybe for you too, John, I don't know So yeah, I'm still rocking the 12 mini and I agree with you. I like the form factor. It's handy It goes in my pocket without, you know breaking my pants or anything, right? Yeah, so I Really like that form factor, but they decided not to go with it I think it was you me and and like two other people liked it I think that was it so but that's fine. So we're moving on but what what did happen is The hole in the lineup left by the departure of the mini is now filled by what they're calling the plus size of the iPhone 14 not to be confused with the iPhone 14 Pro Max, right? So which which gets very confusing and all that good stuff But but yeah, we've got a 6.1 and a 6.7 inch version of both the non pro and the pro iPhone 14 and Like that's cool.  That's how it is Other than that and I think that's interesting I the other thing I want to point out and I know we're jumping all over the place here is In terms of distinctions between phones if we look at the pro line of iPhones There is as we said the 14 pro at 6.1 inches the 14 Pro Max at 6.7 What's Interesting is that it turns out guys that size does matter because it size is the only thing differentiating the two 14 pro models no longer is the camera different from one to the other as has been the case with I believe every Pro Max iPhone in the past. It's always had a better camera if I'm not if memory's not mistaken Now even on the tech specs screen like I watched the thing and it was my first note or one of them was like wait Wait, what happened here and I went to the tech specs screen as soon as they put it up online To see if it was two columns of camera specs or one column of camera specs And it is one column of camera specs which confirms What what I interpreted and and what we all interpreted which is that there is there the only difference between the 14 pro and The 14 pro max in size so it means that I can go to the 14 pro and get the best camera available on an iPhone Without having to go, you know to filling my pocket It with a with a plus-size phone for the max to the max. There you go, right? Yeah, yeah, so it I mean the stuff that I mentioned is always expected so You know the pixels are better the aperture is better the low-light performance is better Here's one thing that jumped out at me though, which did not happen With the prior phones autofocus on the front camera. Yes. Now if you guys remember auto focus Was a thing that made me hate using my iPhone camera until I think the eight I think finally or no anti-jitter. They had I'm sorry. Yeah But still so that's not a huge deal But it's it's and then they introduced the photonics engine, which for those of you that don't know no It's not a photon torpedo photons are light and whether it's a wave or a particle will never know but So basically this thing gives you superior Resolution and superior low-light performance. Yeah, better than the last so that's nice Yeah, and that's that's mostly computational photography, right? I think is is that photonic engine? Yeah, you know, there's ML and there's all sorts of yeah I believe they said 16 trillion calculations per shot. I'm like, yeah, how do they kind of they count those? Yeah, how do they know? Yeah, well Because Team of programmers that write this stuff and ML is a huge part of it like like it's interesting I was having dinner with a friend not that long ago who pointed out that Apple is more of a camera company than a phone company and That's kind of it's it's not untrue True that this person May or may not be an Apple employee You know, yeah, he actually know what he's talking about is it may or may not that's correct I don't know. You know, it's weird though because One would think that in order to take superior photographs. You need a DSLR like a cannon or Sony or whoever But the thing is these guys do from what I know about optics these guys do Frickin amazing things with such a tiny little lens. I just look at that tiny little lens and then when I look at the pictures I'm like, wow, that's not bad. Yeah, no But it is it's not just the lens right to your point.  Is it now 48 megapixels turns out? Yes. Oh, yes, but it doesn't matter as much as the software that Processes the the image data and actually makes it look good, right? I mean it was it's a marriage between the two but this the the hardware would not alone would not do Nearly what we were seeing so it's interesting it we have a comment from James in the Live dot Mackie cop comm chat here How do we get machine learning the term machine learning to stop sounding so buzzwordy and I agree It's one of those terms that you say it to people and it it immediately just sort of you know Ends the conversation unless you're amongst nerds and even sometimes amongst nerds, right? so like the best way I can the the fastest way I can explain machine learning is Pattern matching right that's that's what's happening here is you are teaching the computer to match patterns and then learn from those patterns when you when you present it with a very very large set of data and And and and it can do some interesting things and and a lot of what we're seeing with the computational photography is Has got to be based on machine learning I would I can't imagine it's anything else because they can just throw all these things at it and say okay Here's the picture we took here's here's what it actually looked like can you you know go find the differences and it and computers are Really good at finding the differences and and doing those things which would you explain it a different way John? You know to me I would kind of weave machine learning in with AI or artificial intelligence Okay, but but but distill both of those now now you have to Now your job is is to take both of those things machine learning and artificial intelligence and make them sound less buzzwordy, right? So how would you describe AI or machine learning to someone that doesn't want to know either of those terms? Typically from I don't understand the people that have worked in this area. They basically feed a Computer algorithm all of these In this case pictures sure look okay, let me feed it the raw data, and then let me see what happens and Oh, that looks terrible. Let's you know, maybe Crank up the focus crank up the exposure crank down the shutter speed do this or that So as far as I know they created a model that will take existing photos and then Figure out how to make them look better. Yeah, but and I think I think pattern matching is probably the right You know a bad an analysis that involves pattern matching is exactly what it what it's doing Again, we're we're oversimplifying that that that was the question How do you I think that's it though Dave you you're right It's a pattern matching and and some outside the box thinking like they talk about the you know The quad pixel where it groups the four pixels together To to get better light capturing and then got an improvement in the low light over the 13 Are you kidding me? You could take a picture in a black room with a 13. Oh, yeah Gonna be how much better do we need like yeah, I mean this is just shy of monochrome You know, it's like color NVG's Yeah, yeah low light on these things is spectacular. Yeah, and they're saying the even the telephoto lens is two times better for low light Which is just everything's two times better the ultra wides up to three times better So yeah, I found that part of things interesting I I am the the well as a member of the band bitter pill quite popular I'll point out and I'm very happy for that I was also very happy to see Apple trade in the notch for the notch that everybody hated for their own Version of a bitter pill that everybody will also hate taking up space on their phone. Yeah, I'm not sure I'm not sure why We had to get rid of the notch and go with a bitter pill like what's the You're still carving out space. I'm not I'm not convinced yet that that sliver of Screen that they you know put above the notch to form the bitter pill Aka dynamic Island if you're Tim Cook, but I'm gonna call it a bitter pill here because you know branding I'm not I'm not sure of the value of that However, Apple says it is an entirely new iPhone experience because we've gone from a notch to the bitter pill But that whole dynamic Island is a space that will have like interactive Alerts and status that that will dynamically change Depending on what your phone is doing. So I'm curious about that. I don't know what were your thoughts I mean, these are this is an episode full of hot takes because the event ended less than an hour ago Yeah, yeah For what I understand Dave to me the notch was a UI nightmare for developers and the bitter pills not gonna be It looked Smoother I'll have to see I'm not sure yet if I'm gonna get a 14 I think I may because I'm gonna 12 mini right now.  I'm still happy with the battery life at last today which for a phone of this size is pretty amazing, but Yeah, I just never like the concept of trying to squeak out some extra pixels and putting a sensor at the top there. It's just Yeah, I think I think it does what the phone already does anyway like if you're on your text app and you get an alert from Uber is they or lift is they used in the show as an example You're gonna get the notification anyway. Like, hey, you know, your ride's arriving now or it's just it's more than that No, it is I get that it I get it's that dynamic island, but I'm like good. It's capable of this already better pill Pete Right exactly exactly so I'm not enthralled with that portion of me. No, I'm not I am eager So I I will almost certainly get up on Friday or whatever time I have to do this Do I stay up late Thursday night? I haven't I don't I again the thing ended less than an hour ago We're not entirely sure of times right here Maybe somebody in the chat knows and will tell us but whatever time I either stay up late Thursday night or you know Get up early Friday morning and an order of 14 pro in deep purple obviously obviously and I'm eager to see the always-on display That part I that was a huge selling point for me and and quite frankly It was even better than I thought it would be with when I upgraded to an Apple watch You know from the og watch that didn't have the always-on to one that does that like on the watch it made a huge difference I Whether it'll make a difference on the phone or not. I don't know but I'm curious to see, you know I've I've learned over the years that I'm not entire. I'm not always right About how I'm gonna feel about apples. Let's call them innovations slash changes, right?  Obviously, I was wrong and it didn't take but a month for me to realize that but You know, so I'm curious I'm not I'm not as eager for the always-on display in the iPhone pro iPhone 14 pro as I as I was with the Apple watch But I'm I am I'm open-minded about it for sure. So, okay, but enough about the camera. All right Display yeah, I'm trying to move things along here. Okay is unusual, but I'm gonna try Here are the things that jumped out at me though in the phone is Crash detection dude Yeah Yeah What better device to put it on I mean they did they put it in the watch as well Which we'll get to in a moment But the thing is what better device because almost everybody at least I do uses my phone in the car for GPS So what better place to have something it detect if you rolled your car over and stuff and I thought the video of that was was very interesting so that aspect of Adding that to the phone and or the OS is neat. I think the sensors were already there But then here's the thing that really they added wait, where did they add news they added new sensors to the watch? Sorry, I'm getting myself confused I want to pause on that though John because as you were saying as you were talking about that It made me think where better place well Here's the reality your car knows when you've been in a crash And there's a lot of data points that it has about this it decides when to deploy the airbag, right? I mean some of that's a physical switch But the car certainly knows that the airbag has been deployed it I'm sure the car knows if it has rolled over like there are sensors your car has more sensors than any phone or watch combined, right? So I'm wondering if carplay 2 will have some way of the car Informing the phone.  Figure out yeah, right like like factor that into whether or not you're gonna make this Emergency phone call because the car should absolutely be involved in that conversation at the very least to provide data So the phone so that it can you know factor all of that in absolutely and here's why Because let's say your phone's sitting on the passenger seat and you hit the brakes suddenly and that phone goes flying forward and tumbles and hits and It's been in an accident. You haven't So right so that that's secondary factor by carplay talking back to the to the phone would be ideal Because now you're driving along and the things down on the floor and it's calling the 9-1 yeah You've got a 10 second timer on the floor that you can't reach and oh by the way You did just have an incident where you had to slam on your brakes So I'm not sure that this is the right time to be digging around with your eyes below the dash, right? Yeah, I think that maybe If they haven't looked at it, are you listening to us Apple get get carplay to talk back to the phone I guarantee you they talked about they they know about this right? Yeah, I mean, but but like that's that's a To me that's an important thing. So yeah Yeah, that was cool. And then the other cool thing which was rumored To actually be in prior iPhones, but they didn't activate Remember the bluetooth days when they had bluetooth in the device, but they didn't turn it on Anyways to get to it Emergency services by a satellite. Yep So the phone can now talk to satellites now. You're not going to do voice calls on this I think it's only for you know little messages like Oops something terrible may have happened, right? But to be able to talk I'm going to guess there are low orbit. What what is the name of John? You stole my thunder though. Yeah, because uh, I've carried when I bought my boat years and years and years ago And since sold it but I went out on the advice of a friend who was in the coast guard Bought myself a plb a personal locator beacon because he said that turns our search and rescue mission into a rescue mission We know where you are and this is huge um and They covered it in there that look, uh, you know It's limited text and if you we happen to need to get the information to an agency that only will talk to you via voice You aren't going to be talking to him via satellite phone But our people will transmit that message on your behalf, you know, here they are they're You know, somebody's injured. They need help better, etc. And it looks like they said two years free So it looks like it's going to be a fee-based service Going well, I think they're reserving the right to make it a fee-based service Right like they they get to decide and the nice part is by putting two years free out there They don't I guarantee you apple doesn't even know what the price will be right like that They they don't need to no one that gets it will need to pay for two years. So um, and they may choose to just make it free For any iphone owner. I'll be shocked if they do that because satellite com is yeah Yeah, but it let's say they roll it into your apple one subscription pricing You know, you know and some minimum tier you just get that and then you're good to go Who knows who knows it it depends on how much good pr they get Out of having this right, right? Well, they certainly got it out of the watch How many lives is that saved right including my own mother-in-law? Correct. You know, we talked about that right here and there's and there's countless stories like that. Yeah, exactly Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the phone's going to be the same way when you're off the grid and it can do satellite that's You're right john that is home. I was somewhat surprised to to not hear that Previous phones would do this like for some reason I I thought that the satellite chips that we had in the current crop of iPhones Would be capable of this but clearly not right. Yeah, it's you know, it's it's a 14 14 across the lineup right 14 and 14 pro. Yeah, so yeah yeah Anything else on the iphone's 14 john or p Just it's got the new chip A16 a 16. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so Okay, they did announce which I think will make some of my Photographer friends happy and make some of them cringe But oh, here's another raw format Oh, yeah, but you can you can take take uh, was it another raw format or was it? Well, they called the pro raw I'm gonna assume it's it's Specific to that. I just heard that it was a raw format. So I missed that. Yeah, yeah pro raw of 48 megapixels is pro raw a new thing I don't think so I mean raw isn't a new thing So raw is a way to write out like as much data as possible pro raw is not new pro raw Is is at least two years old if not more. Yeah, I saw the page who you brought up Okay, they mentioned it and I had never heard of it. So they just highlighted it. Okay. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you can do pro raw at 48 megapixels now. So yeah, yeah, yeah I think that's that's gonna work out. All right. It's a lot of pixels, man It's a lot of pixels man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at the uh, the the I can't tell if this is the pro or not. I think this is the regular one with the a15 bionic I'm just looking at apple's feature grid for this, but I think we kind of hit all of the things on that Yeah, how about the uh Multi battery life the pro. Yeah, I'll David. Sure. 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They they put the h2 chip in A bigger difference to me though was that they added a dynamic driver Like I don't think the existing the first gen airpods pro have a driver in there I thought it was just a balanced armature maybe two balanced armatures But this actually has a speaker in there that can move air That makes a huge difference for the low end And and really kind of creating that that actual bass sound as opposed to approximating it So I there's no replacement for displacement. I think you told me one state. I like that term. That's true. Yes That's right. I think people mostly say that about car engines, right? But uh, but it does make a difference with speakers too Yeah, uh, so that that jumped out of me. I could be wrong though. I maybe the current airpods pro have Or the the first gen airpods pro have a dynamic driver, but I didn't think so. I thought I thought this this was very new With ios 16 and I've done this with the beta You can personalize your spatial audio based on the shape of your ear. It uses the The face id camera essentially because that's a 3d. It's able to take 3d models And and you just take 3d models of your ears And it will it will tune the spatial audio profile to match you better Wow, which is which is cool.  But I think that was wrong There's a company that uh, you that will make you custom fit like in-ear monitors like like, you know, uh, like You know rock and roll stars wear Like i'm wearing right now Where you use your iphone camera to take those molds as opposed to having to go to an audiologist and actually have molds taken Um, and it it works. It's pretty amazing. Um, but anyway Uh, so there's that but that's that you can do with your current airpods. So but it's a cool thing that's coming They say that the noise cancelling Is double twice is good. Like that. Oh, I saw that.  Yeah that it's impressive Yeah, it looks like it's adaptive too. Like if you've got it in the transparency mode and it said it it reacts. So it will Put out dangerous levels quickly within thousands of a second or something. I forget what that number was But it was super fast. Um Here's the cool thing that you can't do with your current airpods You can't do a touch To turn your volume up and down. I find myself always screwing with my apple watch to turn my volume up and down So I like being able to turn up the volume turn down the volume by just touching my ear That'll be cool. Um But here here's the one that I know my daughter is gonna like the essentially the air tag function functionality of the case Yes, find my case speak. Yes. They got the Case and the speaker in the case and oh by the way, if you're using your g charger for your phone You can use your apple watch charger to charge your case. So What why is this the first time we've seen anything else function with the apple watch charger? I mean, well as I'm asking that question. I think I have one answer It is a low power charger. So if they had built the apple watch puck receptacle on the phone It would take far too long to charge so but airpods also a low power device just like your apple watch So maybe that's why Still I would just like my apple watch to charge on a regular g charger, but no My kingdom for an apple watch that charges on a g charger. Yes Why is this a thing like it's cool I I will say that though the puck and the magnet like that is nice the mag safe The mag the pre mag safe mag safe puck It is nice because you you it creates options for charging your phone or charging your watch on your bedside table or whatever But um, but yeah, yeah Yeah, six hours of listening time. Yeah I'm into that on the on the airport. We're staying we're staying with the Yeah, go up to 30 hours on the on the whole thing with the case recharging those over and over again and Yeah The lanyard for the uh, there's a lanyard For the case now, which I would imagine will be a good thing, you know, so yeah Can order as soon as thursday and available on was it the 23rd? I saw yeah 23 september Uh, yeah, I think you can order To the right order thursday. Oh order thursday friday the ninth friday. Oh, yeah, 99. Yeah, that's right. Yeah Yeah, so same same as the iphone You order it on 99 and that doesn't arrive till the 23rd. That's when shipments of that begin 249 so Yeah, I yeah, I um, I don't really need a new set of airpods pro Um, I mean, I as I said, but they got you wanting them Well, that's the problem Pete as as I said last week I I only use them on airplanes Like that's the only time I use the pro the rest of the time i'm using the regular air pods And so it's like okay Like I mean i'm already in for two active in like actively in sets of air pods for me I live in mine. I mean obviously i'm wired in for the show, but I I live in my airpods. Otherwise they're in all day Yeah, and when when I get the low power signal and low battery signal in the air Then I put the other one in and I swap the other one. I usually have one in most of the time Sure And that's that's the beauty of those is that you can do stereo or you can take one out and do it One at a time in your ear. So yeah, yeah, I've been caught by other brands that only let you use The left ear solo type thing, you know, sure.  I I'm actually curious now What the iphone's bluetooth is good news. I'm able to test this and look See how that works iphone tech specs Complete with the bitter pill and the gorgeous deep purple Uh, yeah, I got that reference in the open by the way. Thank you. Yes, that's right hush hush And also fight bluetooth 5 3. Yeah So so there you go. Yeah, so so that may be part of the battery Enhancements. Oh, okay. I don't know. I don't I'm I'm you know, I'm I'm making this stuff up Here's the question. You may not have the answer to what's the range. Is there any improved range with bluetooth 5 3? I I don't know pete that that's a that. Yeah, that's far too deep While i'm looking at this on the iphone though something interesting that believe it or not makes me happy Is that the iphone's 14? Only have wi-fi 6 not wi-fi 6 e And the reason that makes me happy is because it means they're not using the 6 gigahertz range And that means the 6 gigahertz range remains open for backhaul In the mesh and you don't have client devices cluttering it up and I I really think that's a good thing Um, it'll change eventually there'll be too many client devices in the 6 gigahertz range and the backhaul Gloriousness that we have now will will go away, but for at least another year. No iPhones will be competing in that range So I like that I don't know. I don't know. Yeah time to move on to the watch guys Absolutely, okay. Sure. All right Uh, let's see. Where are we here with the watch? Um Ooh buy me one anyone in the room that wants to get pilot pete gifts buy me one Okay, so pete let let's just dive in to the deep end here Which which model might you want pete? Oh, I there's so many to choose from which which of these are you kidding me that ultra That is awesome. Yeah, and briefly in the pre show I I mentioned to you that I was trying to use my ipad as sidecar and it kept locking up on me So it one of the points that locked up I had to shut everything down and come back So I missed them calling it the ultra until later on when they did the review But I'm like I'm looking at it and they first started talking about diving with it And I have dived with my current watch. Yeah, maybe the previous generation And I'm like, yeah, okay. It's great. You can you know see what time it is or you know But you can't do anything with it. Well, you're down there This thing is a full on dive computer. Oh my goodness. And so it's got a hefty price tag I believe was it 799 is what I recall 799 is where it starts but pete that's not I don't think that's hefty for what this thing is. Well compared to a 349 dollar apple watch Totally different target market You're absolutely right and it is a good dive computer alone For your wrist will cost you that and more a really actually a really decent one will cost you $15, $1600 So the fact that this thing is a is a dive computer and has the night mode And you know like the orienteering functions on there And you know a figure.  They keep adding to this wearable that I outright laughed at when they were talking about A watch who would ever need?  We don't need that. There's nothing nothing you can put on a watch that i'm going to use Oh boy was am I happy to admit that I was wrong wrong wrong Yeah, man, you know, it's uh GPS in the denser areas be at the city or in the woods both in the l1 and the l5 bands um The orienteering uh turns on automatically once you go on off the grid, you know Hey, you know, this is where you were last on the grid so you can find your way back um, the ocean plus the oceanic plus app With the dive feature. I I've already texted my wife and said, uh, okay christmas gift time Yeah, and what jumped out at me was They're talking about the temperature sensor, especially How for the ladies well, so this isn't this isn't the ultra Like we're like that that's that's in i don't believe that's an ultra feature. That's it. Yeah, that's a series eight feature Correct, but so let let me before we jump there and and we can jump there pete. Is there more I'm trying pete or john. Is there more to say about this this ultra before we move on to the the uh, Sort of more standard apple watch two quick things one is up to 2000 nits of brightness. Okay, so Who needed night vision anyway? Now it isn't going to do that to you at night In fact, it seems to have a nice automatic sensor the current watch does anyway So it will blind you at night But being able to see it in the daytime is going to be huge and then 36 hours of battery life Now we're talking baby. Yeah, I agree And you know this thing when I saw it I my first thought was Thank goodness. They're making a watch Apple is making a watch for people who like chunky watches Like I am not I have I have one or two chunky watches and they're fine But they're not typically my personal style Uh, but there's but like chunky watches are a thing for a lot of people like that's a you know That's a that's an aesthetic that people like and then It was like well, but yeah now look what this chunky watch does so it it um I'm curious to see Like for you Pete, you know, you are you are not a a chunky I don't know you as someone who likes to wear chunky watches. So my my a kid dude on the pile Never shoot your watch Right, right So but I'm but I'm curious like if if you wind up wearing this ultra assuming you get one which I think it's pretty clear What's going to happen here based on the the the show? But you know, is it something that you will wear? As your daily driver or will it be a special use case kind of thing and I'm honestly curious To see like how many people that have them use them as their daily drivers versus oh, I'm going to go do a thing now And so i'm going to put on my my you know my special watch If if I had to guess I'd say daily driver. I have a really nice citizens aviator watch and I I haven't I haven't worn it in years Which is too bad because I really love that watch But uh, I think that would be my daily driver the fact that I fly Uh, a small light civil um Good good to have it there all the crash detection and stuff that goes into that all the You know with the having the phone and the off the grid and the satellite and All that integrates is is just That's a beautiful thing and I know I've kind of mixed some apples and oranges and some That's fine. Well, so john, let's let's jump to the the Well, I want to jump back for a moment here. All right, so What makes the so the ultra from what I saw from the video. They're definitely positioning this for rugged mountain climbing Guy it's the cashier g-shock version of the apple watch Yeah, I mean some of the things that that help distinguish it. So titanium. Okay, that's classy Um, I think this differentiates it. Uh, a second speaker and three microphones So the audio is better on this than the others Uh, I think night mode. I don't know if that's unique to this, but it was kind of cool Yeah, I I think john I I think to your point So first of all Pete said something that that was brilliant that got lost It is the cashier g-shock version of the apple watch. I think there's a lot of truth in that and Your point about people who are you know the the the mountaineers the divers all of those people are absolutely the target market for this But I think the target market is bigger And then this is why I like Pete's comment about the g-shock because I think this watch is aspirational for a lot of people I think there are folks that don't do a whole I mean they might go hike in the wood like I hike in the woods on trails you know and and for you know less than a dozen miles at a at a clip right but if you if just like the apple watch itself is aspirational for a lot of people who want to track their Health and all of that like you don't need an apple watch to eat healthier Right, I mean there's nothing inherent in the apple watch that makes you eat healthier But you make the investments in the apple watch it becomes this aspirational thing And you wind up it winds up being the catalyst To you changing your mind about the way you eat and I can totally see the apple watch ultra being this thing where it's like Okay, you know I want to wear you know a an explorers watch a rugged watch And then you wind up doing more of these rugged things because you've sort of opened your mind to those So I I really think that there's an aspirational component that will be A large factor in the sales of this thing and I think it's good I don't say that judgmentally other than with good judgment I think it's actually have one other comment now that I think about it too and I didn't write it down But what did they call it the the activity button or something like that? Oh, yeah, it's gonna have your button on it. Yeah, which makes it more granular right now If you're gonna do a workout with your watch you say, okay, you know outdoor run and you hit it And it gives you a three count and you start this one looks like you can start it On on your own cue Yeah So and you can set waypoints with it like you can custom they call it the action button I'm yeah, this is one this is a thing that's interesting to me because this is very non apple Right putting in something like, you know, let's call this a soft switch, right where it's like It'll do whatever you tell it to do Apple's never done anything like the apple doesn't typically do things like that I don't want to say they've never done anything like that before because they probably have but But there's there's you know, that's sort of a we're putting this button here and you figure out what you're gonna do with it And it's a huge freaking button. So I like I like the idea, but it that's a departure from apple I bet there were a lot of debates internally about that. Yeah. Yeah Yep, but rather than using a i or ml or whatever you want to call it these which is what the current watch uses, right? So Yeah, and the other thing you've got me Was uh, I have a note here So the action button if you press it in a certain situation, it'll set off an 86 db Which is kind of loud. I mean it could be louder But for a device of this size And they say you could hear it from up to 600 feet away So if you're in the middle of nowhere and you need help it can't hurt to have an 86 db siren. No, that's good All right, so john you want to bring us to the the series eight apple watch here? Yeah, so the thing that jumped out at me was that so they indicate now they have a temperature sensor To what do you need that for? um And the thing that they're adapting it to which I just found amazing Uh is for the ladies um Is it get detected if you're ovulating which? Okay, I mean there are other ways to find that out I guess but um, but they definitely Upped their health Thing I remember the in the first days of health more than one person has relayed to both me and you dave That apple's not really taking Female requirements in the consideration and they really Certainly change yeah, I so here's the thing about that because um It it just so happened. I chose to watch the event at uh over at the house on the you know on the 65 inch OLED screen because why not? and Lisa came in the room at the beginning of it as we're talking about the watch which i'll point out they talked about that Though apple watch for 40 minutes of this event That's a lot of time to dedicate to that product product line But obviously the first thing they talked about was Women's health and specifically these it's two temperature sensors. They put one Uh on the surface of the skin from the watch and then one just under the display so that it can account for deltas in Uh in ambient temperature that would also affect skin temperature, which is really smart um But lisa was there and when we were I don't think i'm sharing anything i'm not supposed to share but when we were Attempting to have yeah, exactly. Yeah, uh when we were attempting to conceive our first child Uh lisa what's that banging on your studio door, dave? That's right.  Which is the baseline temperature of the day and here's the thing It it changes ever so slightly When a woman is ovulating and so what you have to do is you have to track your you have to measure your temperature Before you do anything including before you get out of bed because the simple action Of getting up and moving is going to increase your body temperature potentially And throw off measurements and you're looking for this very slight Elevation in basal temperature if I remember correctly it's been 23 years, right? So, uh So maybe yeah 23 almost 24 so um She had to you know have a thermometer next to her bed and a notebook right the you know the They called it the the journal method right the thermometer journal method And and it worked like she knew when she was going to ovulate and I will tell you it worked In fact, I can I could show you my daughter, right the proof of this Work twice Well, I don't know that she tracked her basal temperature on this when we were trying to conceive luke is Both kids were intentional, but I don't think we were doing it then anyway um What apple said was that it would not tell you When you were ovulating it would tell you When you had ovulated like that and that was the thing is like a A notification would come up that says oh, you know, we believe you ovulated on september 2nd or something like that it's like well That's not that wouldn't if we were both watching it like what good would that have served? I mean it would have confirmed What the what the thermometer and journaling method Would have told us but days later than it actually mattered, right? So I'm I'm not sure of the use case of this and and I'm not sure why they spent so much time talking about it when the end result Was this thing that was just historical not Informative in the moment So I I think I could be wrong The impression I got was obviously it's far more granular if you forget to take your temperature one morning or you know It's doing it every five seconds all the time And I think you know, you say okay, you ovulated, you know Two days ago. Well, it's you're still close I mean you you can still Conceive that so that's true a few days on either side. So yeah so Yeah, that's the point as bad as the bump signs on the house. You just did a bump, you know Little forewarning would have been good, but um But I think I think that's what I got out of it. Anyway, I could be wrong I I am not a doctor though. I'm willing to play one with my wife. No It turns out, uh, it turns out I I'm a doctor now as I That's right. We are doctors. I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah, so I think I think I just violated HIPAA I'm not sure so You know, but but yeah, I mean I like that they're doing this I'm also really curious what else is gonna happen With this temperature sensor I'm I know that it's not going to just be used To retroactively tell a woman when she probably ovulated, right? Like there's a temperature sensor in there that can touch your skin Like I can see this being helpful during workouts and watching how your body temperature changes as you're working out and Or if you're on a desert island and you're about to expire from heat exhaustion I don't think you need to watch to tell you you're about to about to die from heat exhaustion I I I like a confirmation. Oh sure But no, it is good because they indicated so not only can it detect So I think if your temperature gets too high or too low, I think it may Let you know But the other thing also that I thought was neat. I don't think this is unique to this watch but if your pulse rate so, um Personally and you know, this isn't really hip or anything like that But my resting heart rate is fairly high and my physician actually had a test It's like, oh, well, you may have this or that Um, but but it will let you know that as well. Absolutely along with other physical conditions that are out of normal range, which Yeah, and I and I exactly I I see that temperature sensor wind up I think in the future it will wind up being used for Just noticing and alerting us when our our own temperatures are outside of normally anticipated ranges Which would be a good thing. Yeah, for sure So because I mean especially with I mean we as you guys probably know, we're we're having uh, The west coast right now. It's having some heat events. It's probably good to know that you're You're above Average and may want to you know get some water or get some AC or something Yeah Yeah, well, I mean in theory in theory your body will will regulate your temperature because we are warm-blooded creatures not cold-blooded but There are times when our body's malfunction, right? And so Being alerted to that would be a good thing. Yeah I'm looking I'm looking here As you mentioned before john the the apple watch series 8 Can work in concert with the phone on the whole crash detection thing just providing more sensors to your point p You know the car the the the phone that's on the car seat that flies The watch would be able to potentially mitigate that call because it would say hey, you know The driver didn't experience this, you know, so I my guess is they've sorted that out and again this comes back to the whole machine learning thing Right patterns and patterns of data putting a in a show the the car test track where they were just rolling cars I'd like to see apple spending their money on important things Uh But but you know collecting those things where it's like, okay, the car breaks short the phone flies The car doesn't okay. We know because it the test scenario that this was not a collision So let's put that data in the this is not a collision bucket And and let the the AI model or the machine learning model Sort of crunch that and say, okay We know what these patterns look like because you don't like the and this perhaps to bring it all around to the ml conversation at the beginning the machine learning conversation The idea is you don't You don't have a computer power as powerful as our watches and our phones are they are not powerful enough to crunch All of this data in real time The idea is you do the crunching ahead of time with this, you know Huge data set of patterns And then you just use the outcome of that to pattern match. Yeah to pattern match and say, okay We've seen this pattern before all we got to do is compare. Oh, yep. Okay. That matches this pattern Let's follow the you know the the the instruction tree based on the reaction tree based on that and then that's it so, um, I you know having all these extra data points and hopefully carplay 2 becomes that Or one of those then you know, we're in good shape. I like it the um I like low power mode on the watch.  That's good And I've become so spoiled by the by the newer Watch chargers that are much faster charging than the original box I had you know, I thought I kind of like I think it is and then I tested it out.  Yeah, so I think this is new. So a couple other data points here international roaming Seems to be new it is new it's it's from series five and onward with the what as long as you're running watchos nine And they said you can add international roaming at little or no cost, right? Yeah, right that phrase makes me nervous. It's same I and and so I like I'm not I don't do enough international travel where I even and I don't have a a cellular watch So this never was an issue for me. Pete. Do you have a cellular watch and has this? I don't and mint mobile are you listening? Well, well to be fair mint mint mobile. Well, you're right. They don't work with the the watch currently And I think you have to have it But yeah, and I've tried to look and see if they were gonna add it There's nothing on their website. It just says no, we don't do that Right and I don't but I don't think you can walk into t-mobile and say put my watch on You have to have a phone And a cellular watch Yes, it is a companion plan not a standalone plan as I understand it. That's right And the ultra appears to only come in GPS and cellular both not no, you can't get a cellular as GPS alone That's correct. It has to it does have cellular in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but no, I don't have one I I think that would be really cool. Love would love to have one. Um, and I hope that they I think they Alluded to it like faster data transfer because I've put audiobooks on my watch before but you know, it takes 45 minutes To get a book.  Yeah, why not? Yeah And then when I think it was always new also new The apple watch se second generation fair. We hadn't talked about that. Yeah for the uh For the thrifty or cheapskates out there, which I don't know if that's gonna be my first I would I would go with this if you're gonna buy a new watch. I would go with the series h on Yes, no, I agree. I don't think I need the ultra. I mean it it has some nice features, but Yeah Yeah, no, I think for me or maybe an earlier slightly earlier in the refurb store. I'll I'll have to uh I I think I have a series five. I always forget to be perfectly frank. I I'm pretty sure I'm using the series five these days and um, I bought the seven for the for the paul blood oxygen Measure, I don't have that. You know, yeah, that's why I bought the seven. Um, and mine is a series five Yeah But the series five has the you know, I I went from the og apple watch, which I'll point out I have an og apple watch that arrived on like april 24th of whatever that year were like the day they were Like delivered It has never had its battery replaced and at this moment or at least yesterday because I wore it yesterday It still functions just fine So I I think I might have one of the longest running og apple watches But I moved from that to the series five because of the always on screen And and it has the the ekg or ecg. I guess is the the right way to say that So that I mean it like the series five is fine, john I don't know that I'd say go that far back, but You know a series seven Would probably be a good place to start although Although you were saying you have a Potentially high heart rate so that you're you know, it's a series seven would definitely help you track that So yeah, but it looks like they added to this one low and high heart rate Uh, and that they may just be watchos nine as opposed to the watch itself But it looks like the you could set a gate to Alert me if i'm above a certain number or below a certain number I think that's in watchos nine p Uh, but but I could be wrong about that, but I think it is. I think that's that's there. Yeah. Yeah so the um There's one other thing. Oh, that was what I was gonna say and so of course they talked about all the great bands that they have as well Sure I've always gone third party to like ollie express that sort of thing for bands, uh, but i'm sorry apple I love your products, but your your watch bands are way too expensive way too expensive. No, I Yeah, I yeah, I highly recommend everybody to do with what you do p on ollie express or simply amazon You can find you know knockoffs of apples bands including Like they have those I can't remember the name of it But the the bands that are are sized right? They don't have a clasp or a buckle They just stretch and you put them on your wrist and you got to buy the size between like, you know Three and nine or whatever it is I like there are bands on amazon where you pick apple size and and get the clone of the band for $9 instead of 30 instead of 45. Yeah, so and i'll tell you what when you do that You can find some good deals that people are early but think about it now I did that last year everybody got a new watch last year for christmas And the stocking stuffers were like seven or eight bands in there Yeah, yeah, because I can spend 50 bucks on somebody and buy like, you know eight different watch bands for them And then it's just my daughter loves the colors to go to you know, she she's got a yellow shirt on She puts a yellow band on you got it. Yep. So Yep. No, it's a great idea. Go ahead, john. Here's a general question for you guys. So Part of the reason I have not dove into the apple watch ecosystem is that it's confusing because now we have eight versions or nine versions now, right Yeah, yeah, including the I mean, you could argue the same thing about the iphone Though I think most of us are more in touch with the iphone features than than the watch features, but Uh The iPods is a different story that that to me is pretty simple. It's like here's the first version. Here's the second version So it's pretty easy to tell what you get and what you don't get but um I'm just noodling over Is their product line getting? too Complex for a lot of people to grasp For me the watch is is a perfect example I'm I don't know where I should get an eight or a seven or six or five or four or three or Whatever, I don't think you go back further than a six right now, but Yeah, but let me let me let me Let me dissim I don't mean to be dismissive actually let me address this because you would have the same problem if you didn't have an iphone Right, like there is an iphone 14 an iphone 13 an iphone 12 and I don't need to keep going Right, you you know that you don't want to go and buy these older versions of phones Although you might say well, I could get away with a 12 I don't need the new features, but you would be in the same sort of Like swimming in that mire Of you know the the nitpicky differences that happened each year right now there are There are three watch models to choose from and so like that's less than there are iPhones, right? There's a series eight. There's the the se version 2 which they just call the se And there's the ultra and that's it But if you want so they're turning off the 7 you won't be able to buy the 7 right? Well, you could probably buy it on the Referb yeah, correct Correct, but yeah, otherwise it's the it's the 8 so they do keep it pretty simple And there is a page on apple site apple.com slash watch slash compare look that that walks you through Probably for you telling you why you don't want to get the se right Well, you know you you want the always-on display which the se doesn't have You know you you probably would want the the blood oxygen app and the ecg app which the se doesn't have But this app makes it super easy the temperature sensing the se doesn't have you know It's got some most of these features, but not all Doesn't do fast charge. So yeah, I would say even the phones. I think they showed they showed like five different models of phones They're like here are your choices. Yeah, exactly. Let's see. Well, let's see. Is there a compare phones Yeah, there's a compare phones, but you got to pick which three you're going to compare. So it's you know, but On the phones you can actually on apple's website You can go all the way back to the iphone 6 or the se first generation and compare phones Can't do that with the watches. I don't I didn't see that so yeah So what's funny is uh, and i'll give my age away here But I remember in the 70s when those digital watches first came out the little red LED and you had to push the button Yeah, you had to push The button to get it to come on and then it would go off right and so you talk about the old ones on display Yeah, they'll always have to play and i'm like, okay.  It's like it's off more often than not so and I have to remember, you know turn it on But man, there are some great features and you know, one of the best ones is The flashlight mode when I get up in the middle of the night to use the head I I put it on the flashlight mode and it gives you the there you go on the video the uh One of the options is a red light because red light won't destroy your night vision And uh, boy that thing is bright So you can wander through the wander through the house without tripping over a pair of slippers or a dog bone or a dog or And uh So so there is for those of you that know about the hamilton pulsar my grandfather had one And I I got I got to wear it some which is why I I know so much about it Pete but um the hamilton has Said they are coming out with the hamilton psr Which is a a a remake of the pulsar Uh, I don't I it it doesn't look like it's out yet or I don't know. I can't tell you it but um But anyway, like you I'll put it in the show notes. Yeah Water's resistance to 100 meters. Wow looks just like the uh, the original the original. Yeah Yeah Yeah, yeah, so oh that's funny But it but it does it it it has lcd and oled for the display So that didn't happen in the 70s didn't have oled in the 70s as I recall. Yeah too funny But it's funny though. I talked about it earlier There's so many dang things that this this watch will do that you just never even thought you would use for Two factor authentication to get into my work website. We need two factor authentication Octa verify it on the watch. Yeah, thinking. Did you try to buy?  Yeah phone And your phone will unlock your watch It unlocks one password for me too. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah apple pay That's the view with apple pay, you know, you don't even need to have your phone with you You can use apple pay anywhere once your watch has the code in it. That's right. Yeah Well, I wanted to make sure apple were the only ones who talked about the watch for 40 minutes today. So I started being the band in Yes, indeed these shows are expensive though I gotta tell you because there's not one product today that they put out that I didn't particularly want But the ultra watch the airpods throw a new phone Totally shocked that they didn't have any mac hardware because it's typical for them to put that in another event So we'll see. Yeah Yeah, they're due, right? I mean, it's been two years now since the last since the m1 came out. Oh, no, they did the end to it The wwdc never mind. That's right. I was going to back now Yeah, it's it's fine. Hey, it happens like there's a lot of products to your point earlier, john Like there's just a lot of stuff to track. Yeah Well, now we know we can all be highway stars and be safe, right with our uh with with our our iPhones and apple watches that are tracking things and uh You know, hopefully there's no uh, no smoke on the water So sorry, I couldn't I needed I needed to put two more deep purple references in so We're just perfect strangers to each other. I you gotta stop me. I gotta go Stop them before he puns again Uh, all right, thanks for hanging out with us folks. This was fun feedback at mackeykeb.com We will be back next week with a uh, you know But the show where we answer all your questions and share your tips and all that stuff Thanks for hanging out with all of us folks in the chat room. I appreciate Everything that you uh that you pulled together for us while we were recording this one. It's great Thanks to our sponsor, of course barebones software with bbedit at barebones.com and uh Yeah, here we are. We're good to go Fun stuff another apple event behind us Yeah, break out the credit card folks. Yeah, my my card's gonna melt on Friday. The question is Will I have ordered airpods pro gen 2 in addition to an iphone? You'll have to tune in next week and find out John any uh, any thoughts to to share Um Well, I guess if you're gonna consider buying additional apple products be very careful with What form of payment you use?  Thanks for hanging out with us everybody. That was great Good Hey, I forgot to ask you uh, you're gonna record Friday morning, right for Monday. Mm-hmm All right, let me double check. That's the plan I think I fly saturday night, but I'm not friday night, but I need to look at that real quick So I can tell you oh, that's right the watch we can order now. Dang it Too late. They're out. I can wait on the watch I can wait on the watch. So I'm good. Yeah. I'm good friday saturday. I'm flying saturday Great great great. Yeah. Yeah, friday regular time. Yeah, I think I texted you I was literally standing at the counter and I did yeah I was standing at the counter at the bus station buying my ticket to go to the airport To fly to paris on monday night when cruise scheduling called and goes Are you in europe? No Am I supposed to be I think I've got another day No, no, don't go to europe. We've canceled your flight back. So oh, okay Yeah, so I sent me sent me to indy and here I sit Yeah, can you through your employer hitch a ride And get like a free flight I can uh, but uh, if they're going where you're going Yes, but we also for instance my trip started in paris And they are required to buy me a ticket from memphis to paris Because that's where i'm based and so if I can get to paris cheaper then I can use that money for limousine's taxis hotels that sort of thing And yeah, because your home base is memphis not new hampshire, right right you choose to live in new hampshire Right, so if it cost me more it comes out of my pocket if it cost me less than I've got uh A month to use it use the difference Or lose half of it and every month you lose half Okay, um, so it it bleeds down um And for a while now I expected to change very soon we've ever since covet started they got rid of they call it a durable travel bank Meaning it you don't lose half every month. There are guys with 70 80 90 thousand dollar travel banks Because they do a lot of international flying, you know you and if you have a 14 thousand dollar ticket from dubai to memphis And you use it to go Uh from dubai to boston and you save seven or eight thousand dollars then You know and so be it but yeah to answer your other you can only spend that money on Work stuff, but you could theoretically right increase the the convenience level or the the service class Using that that money And you must travel within three days of any trip For instance, I could you know like if I let's say, uh, I could I I just want to stop you. You know, we are streaming live to people. Okay. Just want to make sure okay Thanks. Yeah, I appreciate the reminder But yeah, I could go down to boston hop on delta and jump seat on delta to paris on the very flight I was going to buy a ticket on now They discourage you doing that because it's revenue to the companies there's in a line agreements But I could do that or I could try and ride on my wife's passes Those sorts of things if I save that money and then the following week I had to go to memphis I could then buy a ticket on american and have them fly me to memphis because it's within three days of a trip to start My trip in memphis. So okay, so there's Professional courtesy in this respect There there is there is and there is and it depends see because there's there's two terms that you hear and people try To use them interchangeably, but they're different deadheading Means that you are traveling On company business You're not operating the trip, but you are you are being paid to move from one position to another If you were operating the airport your body from yeah, right. Okay.  Um, again, they discourage you doing that. Um, but jump seating is Personal you're never deadheading when you're on personal travel, but you can ride we have a An interline agreement where all the major passenger carriers and us And and ups we all give each other pilots rides And for years delta didn't participate in that they didn't start participating in that till about 2002 2003 as I recall and then We would give them a ride but bone else could ride on delta on their jump seats Um, and then they finally they broke those loose and said okay, you could do it and right now We are I think in danger of losing our international jump seats on other airlines because we won't We won't take united delta american pilots to enter to and from international locations And that has to do with uh upper management at our company and it says, you know If uh, if you make our you're making our managers ride on commercial airplanes So why should we let the commercial pilots ride on our airplanes international? Oh Right, but but in your case Pete I mean, you don't have a lot of passenger space No, I've got I've got uh, I can carry up to four people behind my uh, right and that the rest of the plane is Is for your your work is all boxes. Yeah Unless you want to be in the cargo cargo Right But I don't think most people want to ride there. We actually have a setup We're part of the craft program which is the civilian reserve air fleet Um fedex hauled more people to and from the first gulf war Uh than any other airline. It was actually part of the flying tigers at the time But yeah, we have seat palates where we instead of a palette or a big can of cargo And they're in the cargo bay and they've got seats and they put them in the cargo bay. Yeah So we can't fly pass it because normally oh, yeah everything's pressurized We are just like a regular airplane except there's no seats and overhead vents As far as the pressure that pressure tube is the same on all our airplanes Okay, because normally the cargo space is not heated or pressurized, right? Oh, yeah, it's all it is It's all heated and pressurized. Oh, it is really sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah That's where pets like larger pets travel there Right, right, right and your luggage needs to be if your luggage wasn't pressurized Like all your Shampoo Yeah, that's right. Forget about yeah, just shampoos would be it would be a disaster Everywhere So in theory if I if I can get in the cargo bay if I can sneak into the cargo bay Um, I could get a ride. You'd be fine. You'd be fine.  Yeah I mean, I don't at some point Like I've looked at what it costs to ship something that that's cost that weighs 200 pounds I think it's cheaper to fly myself coach Yeah, yeah anymore, right and now. Yeah I think I told you guys I I bought something on amazon and I didn't get it through amazon marketplace It was from a place in the uk To ship a one pound package using usps To uk that's not that's not usps That's not usps usps does only ships within continental united state or uh, well the united states you get apo boxes Like that. They're the agent on this. They're the agent, but well, there's a huge yes But the thing is to use another charge me. Yeah, the thing is for one pound package to return it I mean, I still got money back, but not a lot, but it was 27 dollars If I had used the other guys it would have been a hundred dollars. Yeah, right, which to me is ridiculous for a one pound package International, but these days international It's cost of fortune, man. Yeah, how fast how fast do you want it? How reliably do you want it fast and and what what price do you want pick pick at least one of those that's important to you The thing is it made it and and actually for for the 27 dollars I got a tracking number and I actually got confirmation that it made it And I got my refund and everybody was happy. Well, I wasn't totally happy Right, right, right. Yeah I remember 20 years ago the postal service was you know Advertising about how much better they were than FedEx and UPS and DHL and all that stuff And I used to take pictures of all all the postal we were we were hauling it Oh, the thing is you guys are you're all in bed with each other. I I know this I mean there's Oh, there's smart posts.   Oh, and then in discord, there's a couple comments. The wheel will still away.  Yeah. Yeah No, there's the guy sitting up there in that one picture he posted, but uh, yeah It's it's a good way to get crushed and unless it's a short flight you're gonna die hypoxic and uh, But you're gonna be a popsicle when you land That is not heated and pressurized No, oh, right. Oh, yeah Oh the outside. Oh, yeah The wheels aren't heated and pressurized, but the uh, like the belly the belly compartments are but they we have different granular controls over depending on the airplane like our md11's the the middle belly compartment it's pressurized, but the temperature control on that is weak at best Where it's like the belly of our triple sevens. We've got full temperature control down to the one degree celsius plus or less one degree celsius and Now pete i'm just brainstorming here, but there could be a new class of service the wheel well There you go It's like hey, if you don't want luxuries like heat or air Then we'll put you in the wheel well Yeah Bring your bring your parka Oh, yeah, I'm so nice Nice bram and roe that could be a uh, so there I was episode It's totally way in the wheel well. I like it. That's great. That's great. Man I can't wait till tomorrow show you guys are gonna love it That's nasty the the lso nasty you helped me with the uh audio on that. Did you listen to any of that? I only to like no, I didn't I mean there are bits and pieces the guy is very Clearly a seasoned rack and tour and that like it like that bit. I heard like Any bit of it? He just he knows how to tell a story, which is great. He does. He does indeed any ooze Confidence and leadership too. Exactly. You know, he's been around the block. No, he he exactly. Yeah.  That's right. I asked him what the best job he ever had he was commanding officer of the uss limits Best job in the galaxy There you go. Oh, there you go. Okay I mean the commanding officer of a nuclear powered us aircraft carrier. Yeah. Yeah All right, I'm gonna publish this because it is like, you know today's show so there you go. It's time to go Thanks for hanging out with us everybody. This has been a blast It's fun afternoon really just hanging out and discord and you know all of it like it's been it's been fun Yeah, for sure faux show. All right. We'll see you. Uh, see you again on friday. You will let take