What we're gonna talk about is WordPress for nonprofits, website best practices, collecting donations, increasing exposure online. If that's not what you want to listen to, there's plenty of other sessions going on. A little bit about me, just up front, that is me. I've been in the IT industry in 2007, actually published my first post in 2008 because it terrified me to actually let anybody else see it for the first year, which I'm sure if anybody's a blogger understands when that published button happens it's a little panic at first. The soul-sucking key solutions came about which officially got formed in September of 2016 so we just celebrated our use my gifts and talents to actually make the world a better place instead of corporations money. It's primarily small businesses, nonprofits, that are doing good locally and globally. Design for nonprofits, if anybody has actually worked with a nonprofit, you know they kind of have a little different expectation from their designer. The regular donations versus necessarily selling products, which is where WordPress comes into play because WordPress itself is a nonprofit, that's actually a CMS that we built for nonprofits to actually collect data and get information for donations to actually get to have an email base where they can actually things of that nature to where they can share their engagement and their engagement happens to be. There are some recommended plugins that I use for most of our sites, which obviously whenever you start taking money online you're concerned about security. Whenever you start working on things like global nonprofits that are in different countries you need to start worrying about spam bots more than even in the United States because they're out there and they're out there furious especially when you start working with countries. For example I've worked with a couple of nonprofits ones in Thailand, one's in Haiti, one's in India and those have a different audience than what you're used to here in the United States and so you want to make sure that you protect it. With things like Jetpack, ask me for spam, make sure that you use a SSL. Obviously Google is pushing everybody to an SSL but SSL whenever you want to try to take payments you want to make sure that it's secure. Donation options, there's plenty of them out there. The ones that I've actually had experience with are Give, WooCommerce, Charitable and obviously PayPal has their own version which I don't usually turn people to PayPal because it kicks people off of their sites to make payment instead of actually keeping them engaged on the site like the other ones so I'd actually say to you either Give or WooCommerce are my personal preferences as well as opt-ins which is things like privy, opt-in monster, bloom depending on which theme and which framework that you're working off of. For example Bloom works real well with Divi but it doesn't necessarily play nice with every other application and that's where you actually utilize those to actually get email addresses so that you can send out email campaigns. This time of year obviously everybody's going to be scrambling for email campaigns because we got Giving Tuesday coming up and if you don't have an email list you're kind of left sitting dead in the water. Another thing that you need to concern yourself when it comes to design for nonprofits is you have to tell their story a little differently and it doesn't really matter which industry that you're in but animals, orphans, human trafficking, environmental, religious, arts and education, health care, global injustices, they each have a story to tell and it's your job as a designer to tell that story. Sometimes that means that you actually you're sharing pictures, video from that particular whether for example if there's an orphanage that you're actually sharing information about those people. Other times you have to be a little more protective on what you share due to security reasons but you have to figure out a way to actually engage the reader to open their wallet and a lot of nonprofits are a little very guarded on how much they share because they're afraid of that it's going to put them at risk or they're going to be harassed and so you have to be careful and that's where content writing comes into play obviously as well as you want to make sure that it is something that draws an emotion and empathy with your audience because everybody knows when they see a commercial with a dog and a cage you know what you want to do. I mean it draws you in and it's a reason why it draws you in because it is tugging on your tear ducts and it makes you want to actually do something for them and the same thing comes with design where you want to make sure that you've got testimonies and you've actually got personal stories not just very generalized content that nobody's actually going to attach to. Theme choices and I know there are so many out there that it's hard to decide which ones you want to use but theme choices do matter because some are actually built better to actually include donate buttons in the proper space spaces as well unless of course you're using a builder which gives you a little bit more leeway or you're strictly a developer where you can put code in your own place some themes just are not built for payment options they're they're not paid made that way they're not built for attractive buttons and so you have to take that into consideration as well as implementing things that makes me want to feel sorry for whatever that happens to be there's a reason why I used to cat. The next thing you want to take into line is colors because colors when in any type of design matter and the mat that there was actually a really great work job just before this one where she went into the color theories and the way that color palettes work as certain ones invoke certain emotions and invoke certain feelings when you're looking at a website and that psychology of colors can cost you dollars up to 90 percent of the first impressions of products can be used based on color alone and obviously you've got the scheme of different logos and there's a reason why organizations like ASPCI use orange because they feel like there's a warm and fuzzy feeling that you're going to get when it comes to the puppies in the kittens and you're going to want to actually open your wallet for them. There's other ones that obviously invoke different emotions and that's one thing you need to work on when you're working with your client too because a lot of times they don't understand that. They don't understand even when it comes to like their logo and things of that nature how the color scheme of their site can actually invoke whether or not they're actually going to open up their wallet and have a better opportunity to get donations and involvement that they're looking for. Gender appeal is another thing if the organization happens to be one that is specifically more gender specific you want to use colors that align somewhat on that palette but you want to exclude anybody by any means but you want that comes into shades and tents and there's actually proven science that's out there that shows that the logos as well as the theme design actually do actually increase engagement depending on what kind of colors and what whether they're bright colors soft colors and palettes and things of that nature to utilize. I will make these slides available later just so you're aware. You can take pictures all day long but I'll put them out there on my site for you. Another thing that you need to do when you're when you're working with your websites is that you actually know your audience. The first thing I do whenever I spend time with any client is I try to figure out who they are before I ever take them on as a client because a lot of times they think they know who their donors are but when you start actually researching and doing your due diligence and you're going to do things such as analytics and things of that nature but you actually need to talk to them you start to figure out who their audience really is who the people are that they truly are trying to reach because many times they don't even know who that happens to be. Does anybody here work with nonprofits? There's a reason why I'm asking this question. Perfect. How would you get to know your audience then but if you were meeting with a nonprofit how would you go about trying to figure out who it is that they serve? Okay. Yes ma'am. Get the right stakeholders in the meeting. Get the right stakeholders in the meeting instead of a lot of times when you talk to somebody's looking for web design for example they never have the right person that you're talking to. Exactly and a lot of people they don't even know. They just know that they get money every year but they haven't even looked to see who their current donors are and a lot of times it'll be where you actually have to get them to go back and do a little bit of research before they can really start a design project because they don't know who their donor base is. It's not as easy as or as intuitive as you would think because everybody donates to different things for different reasons and a lot of times your audience does end up being a bit different as they freak whatever the machine is behind. I apologize I went back. Why don't they donate? Many times it's because solicitation is infrequent. They don't know how it's going to make a difference to them. They never feel wanted or needed.  They receive no personalized appeal. They're just a number to you as far as they're concerned. They gave an unacknowledged gift in the past. This happens all too often that you have people that donate and they only donate once because you never go back to them and ask them to donate again or you never even think for the first donation. This is a big one that I've never really figured out but in speaking with my nonprofits a lot of them seem very hesitant to even ask and how do you raise money if you don't actually ask them to donate. The timing wasn't right. Everybody knows the timing is not going to be necessarily right at that particular time. November and December are big for corporate donations just in case you're working with nonprofits because they're looking to finish off their tax year. But you ask them in the middle of summer they're not going to be so interested because that's not in their radar at that point in time. So campaigns matter. Email campaigns, things on your website and what not. They matter because it's the timing for not only you but for who your audience is. This one drives me a little bad. The organization's mission wasn't compelling or many times it's confusing. You don't really know what it is that they do. And that's where if you're not a content person you get somebody that's a content person to actually work with them and work on getting their value prop in their mission statement and figure out who they really are and how to best verbalize it so that people understand who they are. Reoccurring. That's a trust issue because obviously they whoever designed it didn't do it right or they automatically defaulted you to the wrong one. Yes sir. Well and a lot of people think where they set the minimum donation for 50 or $100 or whatever. Last time I checked $5 adds up many times over than $100 would if you have more people that do it. Too many times. Too many times a year. I get a piece of mail that comes in the mail probably every four to six weeks asking me for money and I never even donated to the organization and it does nothing but infuriate me every time I get it because one I asked you to ask to unsubscribe and yet you keep hitting me up every month or so. Optimizing the design for nonprofits. Every non-profit is different and so are their donors. What that means is the color theme. Search engine optimization whether you're using local SEO or global or you got to really figure out who you're serving and do your SEO to to who that audience is because not everybody's going to be that audience. They have to be mission ready meaning that the you need to have the mission up in front of them where they know front page what what they stand for and that they need to be able to get social because everybody nowadays is on social media and if you're not socializing their website they're missing out on dinner dollars. You can now donate obviously on facebook and other other social medias as well. And most of all which this goes for any site content content content and I say that because I have a non-profit that I'm currently working with I've the last blog post that they have was in 2017 and that was one I wrote for them. And I've reappeared that you tell them you know every so often that you need to write he's like I don't know what to write about something just I mean put content out there that has to do with your your organization or you can pay me to do it one of the other. But a lot of people they think that you know once they create a site they're done and but there has to be ongoing engagement. Prime example look at most of the non-profits that are out there their sites are 10 years old because they haven't really done anything because they feel like they don't have to. And storytelling this this comes to the content part where content is king or queen all depending on who's actually creating it and who the audience is. Stories sell and donors get. The more stories and the more personal you can get the more people are going to be feel compelled to actually open up and donate to you. And the more that you share the more that they will get because if you're not engaging they're not going to be engaging with you if you're not sharing about why their dollars matter they're not going to be compelled to actually donate to you. And I say you meaning your client of course. And there are some do's and don'ts and best practice for the best practices of design. Like anything else we got the do's. Got to make sure that it's easy to navigate because if it's not easy to navigate they're gone. And that of course goes for any website. Use pictures. Pictures are truly do I mean they're they're worth a thousand words all day long. And pictures of whatever the organization is and whether it's the volunteers working at the organization or the organization itself. Something that actually tells a story about what they do. You make sure that you optimize the site for speed because people have a trust issue with slow loading sites. They're not going to want to donate to a site that loads slow. And you have to have a clear call to action. Make sure that they understand what it is that you're asking them to donate to and why. And you have to make sure that's a visible film. And keep it simple. I mean many websites out there nowadays especially when it comes to non-profit they are so all over the place that it's too busy that they you don't really understand what it is that they do or what they want from you. So the simpler that you can keep it the better. And obviously you want to make sure that you secure it because if it's not secure um if it doesn't have that little green light on the google bar they're they're not going to donate to you more than likely. And last but not least for do it the do is mobilize. If your site is not mobile friendly that's where people go for anything nowadays.  And so you got to make sure that they can actually not only see the site but they can do the donation on mobile. Along with the do is you got the don'ts. Don't hide the donate button. A lot of times it'll be buried on a second page or it'll be buried at the bottom. Make sure that it's above the fold in the menu top bar where they can see it and and it's the first thing that they see where it's visible. Do not self play audio and video. I know that was a trend for a while. It was a ridiculous trend but most people do not like to get blasted with audio or video. It doesn't matter what it is when they first pop up on a website. Bless you. Don't bury the story meaning to put it on front page. If you have a recent testimony from a kid or from a from an experience with working with a child or whatever make sure that it's at the front and center. Make sure that they can see what it is that you're doing. You can have you know other content throughout the website but make sure that you have something compelling on the front page that actually increases them encourages engagement. Don't forget to ask again. Don't forget to ask and that means you can ask in multiple places not only above the fold on the top bar but you know ask midstream. Ask at the bottom but don't make that button move. A lot of times people make buttons move and where you scroll and the button goes with you. A lot of times people find that quite annoying and they won't be apt to actually engage with you. And don't be scared to ask because without asking you're not going to get and do not use big picture files that are going to because that'll actually slow your site down as well as people will bounce off if it's if it's loading slow. And most of all when it comes to a non-profit do not beg. And I say that because I actually worked with a non-profit and every Christmas they started talking about how they were going to have to euthanize their dogs because the shelter was going to close if they didn't get enough donations. That kind of fear doesn't increase donations by any means. And say you want you want to make sure that you're not begging for donations. There's actually a company where I'm from I'm from Jacksonville Florida if you I did not share that earlier. And they are really great in A.B. testing and they've done a lot of research as far as what works and what doesn't work what increases engagement. For example long form versus short firm for that came thought. If you go short form you'll generally you'll increase your engagement by 155 percent meaning the shorter the post the better for audience attention span. If you make fields in an opt-in optional instead of required that they show that increases by 275 percent. Now obviously you're going to need to capture some data but making where they have to put in their name their email address their address their phone number all that as a required field will not necessarily get them to actually fill out the form because they feel like you're actually taking too much from them especially if it's just simply an opt-in for an email opt-in. Reduction of eye friction increased with 135 percent meaning when they're scrolling down the page there's not something that's distracting them from scrolling down the page or reading left to right there's it's a clean design you'll end up with a increase of 135 percent. This is big for donors the less steps the better. A lot of times which paypal I use them as an example earlier if you have to bounce off of something and come back to it they're not going to donate generally. If you have to go to this page and then go to this page and then a lot then actually send your information and start make it a one page thing make it where they can check out and do their donation in one spot you'll be you'll have an increase on average of 166 percent of engagement adding simple call to action buttons up front you get an increase of 246 percent if you put it up there in front in the menu area where they can see it you'll see a significant increase. I did provide the name of the company which is Neclab I said besides will be available and they actually have an email subscription for that is really good for designers and developers that where they do a lot of business and ab testing what not it's really great and there's no cost to any of it which is which is all all the better. Whenever you are doing design obviously when it put in analytics analytics matters even more so when you're starting to get into the non-profit sector because it gets back to knowing who you serve knowing who the demographic is that you're actually attracting and not only that but where are they coming from are they are they local are they are they overseas because that can determine how you start doing campaigns and things of that nature heat mapping also comes in I use Crazy Egg as an example heat mapping will actually show you what people do on your site and they will show you what buttons what things what where do they actually go when they were through your site it is a paid subscription but it is pretty cool as far as the the information that it can provide for you email marketing a lot of nonprofits do very poorly at that where they may do an op-dem but they never follow up on that op-dem and so they just got an email address but they never did and there's no campaign use use those as a designer help design you know your email campaigns for your clients where use a blog post as a campaign use a testimonial as a campaign and where you're starting to actually engage the people that donated to you by sharing their story through emails because they're not necessarily going to always come back to your website unless you bring their attention to your website funnel you can use lead generation for that you can have auto responders you can have things of that nature as well as utilizing lead pages if you have a certain type of campaign for a certain time period that you want to utilize there's really a lot that you that goes along with nonprofit design but obviously utilize them in any type of design you get a little more specific in certain areas when it comes to nonprofits one thing about nonprofits that I found is your client is the nonprofit not you a lot of times they say they don't have the money or they expect it to be free because you advertise yourself as being a freelancer well the last time I checked freelancers freelancing is not free by any means and so you have to be able to charge for it and and charge accordingly a lot of times they make it seem like they don't have the budget well there's grants and other ways that they can get that budget if you actually set the expectation up front versus just giving away your work and when you work with a not with one nonprofit make sure that you have a plan set the expectations up front as far as the level of your engagement whether it's truly just you're you're doing the design and that's it or you're planning on maintaining and doing campaigns social media and things of that nature afterwards and I said make sure to charge them and charge them according it doesn't mean you have to charge them the same but just charge them accordingly and most of all when it comes to NPS is you have a heart because a lot of times they just want somebody to listen to them and to be able to transfer their story in a way online that they don't know how to do and if you truly have it the heart for them it'll show in your design bless you some final thoughts use a simple website go there such as jibby elementary beaver and seem to be that butan bird thing that I'm have mixed feelings about um have a strong visual identity make sure that their logo is apparent make sure it's up front and where they can see it um as well as if there's financial charts anything that picture make sure it's optimized for mobile devices prioritize your online donation forms build local content that makes donors donate make user engagement a priority a priority you have any questions yes sir that's a slippery slope um and and I say that because every every organization is different on how much they allocate um do you know what their budget is being mature volunteer I was afraid to say that um gotcha um I would imagine that they're probably not spending much more than that but I mean like I said every organization is different and depends on where they align their priorities um and and good for you for giving away your services but you may want to start charging yes obviously know who they serve um their story is is important um and I think most of all having all the stakeholders is not necessarily involved in the initial conversation but involved up front there's a lot of times and this goes to any design but especially when it comes to non-profits they have to go through a board and that and then a lot of times the boards don't agree or have a clue no offense um of what is involved and therefore they without actually being involved in the conversation they can't have an intelligent commerce um discussion about it and have a budget in mind because even though as a designer I may say it costs it's going to cost you x amount of dollars but without having at least the conversation of budget I mean most designers well I can't say I can't speak for most as a designer that works with non-profits I generally will adjust somewhat um depending on it um and have a vision have the vision where you want to go that's the that's the biggest thing because a lot of times they come in and say I need a new website but they don't know what that means have ideas have you know samples of things that you like things that you don't like that that kind of stuff um have a color scheme if you have that certain things like you know even simple stuff like fonts if there's a certain one that you like I may tell you you're not you're not right about it but right right exactly and see that's that's perfect because a lot of times they don't even know who their brand is to even have brand guidelines um and the more information that you can bring up front to me is will make the process a lot easier especially on going I had a question over there and I'll come back to you yes ma'am um well I think the biggest thing in the mid and for me at misconception is those small donations add up if you can get the engagement um because granted they may not add up to $50,000 donation in one year but the reciprocal effect is you may get $25,000 every year for the next 10 years when you only got $150,000 for one year because it's it's it's the long game because you have to really gain the donor's trust and the more you gain their trust the more they start to donate and it may be where they're only donating you know $10 a year whatever um also do you have reoccurring donations implemented um that's helpful because a lot of times they'll sign up for it and forget about it which is a blessing because it's just something you can count on every month or every year whichever the case may be um and the biggest thing I would think is also being able to look in at the numbers and see how much the website truly is generating um and do a comparison versus the the large and see if you can actually justify your campaigns that way yes ma'am run well and and I and I say that and I've even had that in the for-profit sector where they're like well I want you to do half of it now and then I'll do the rest of it whenever I start getting money I you can't run a business like that um and unfortunately nonprofits are businesses whether they realize it or not and you have to you have to I mean it's obviously whatever you're willing to work with but I would I would run I have one time time for one more question I have not personally had experience with that but I'm intrigued


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Did any of the rest of you? I know what what does St. David do? The patron saint of Wales. The country. What is he? Oh, I was thinking, maybe do I need to go down to SeaWorld or something? Yeah, is he leaky or? No, no, no. St. Christopher is like what you want while you're traveling. Right. What does St. David do? He protects all of Wales, the country of Wales. Well, good for them. So that's a job. Well, yeah. Let me tell you. Yeah, it's a lot of people. I know, I know. How long did he have to be in turn? Everybody always thinks we mean the animal. And the Welsh are tired of it. All right. So now we've cleared that up. Let's start with the quick hits. I don't speak Flemish, but I will tell you that Facebook announced it will remove the news aggregation tab from its U.S. and Australian sites starting in early April. In Australia, this means it will no longer negotiate payments to carry news under the news media bargaining code. Once current deals expire in a few months, the Australian treasurer will have to decide whether to designate Facebook as a business where news is a significant driver of Facebook use. If it does, then Facebook will be forced to negotiate under the code and Meta will likely sue to dispute that decision. Facebook claims news only makes up 3% of what users are seeing in their feeds worldwide. The weird thing about you saying you don't speak Flemish is you speak perfect Welsh. That's just, it's so odd. Apple has changed its mind and will offer the ability to save progressive web apps to the home screen on iOS in the European Union. The EU's new rules require Apple to allow alternate browser engines to its own web kit and Apple had asserted that maintaining local storage of PWA information for multiple browser engines was not worth the expense because not that many people use it and it would be required to offer equivalent services to all browsers. So it just wouldn't allow PWAs at all keeping the playing ground level. However, those smart engineers at Apple have figured out how to use web kit to store a progressive web apps data even if the user has been accessing the PWA in a browser with another engine. So everything's good now, they can do it, yay. Yay. Android users who have rooted their phones or installed custom boot loaders, Jason Howell looking at you, have reported that support for RCS messages isn't working. RCS is the industry standard for sending images, video and other rich communication over text messages. Google says that some phones with altered software are prevented from accessing RCS support as an anti-spam and abuse measure. SMA or MMS continues to work on altered phones. Users of altered phones can also circumvent the problem by bypassing the Play integrity API though that also reduces security in other areas. Android also disables Google wallet services if it detects the device has been rooted. How many devices have you rooted, Jason? Oh God, over the years, too many to count. In the last like eight years, none. So you're- Who does that anymore? Yeah, yeah. That's old. The information reports that Google offered to partner with Meta on Android XR, its operating system for virtual reality headsets in late 2023, so just the end of last year, but Meta rejected the offer. Meta's Quest uses the open source version of Android so Google thought, hey, we can partner up, bring the full version of Android that we support to your headset. Meta gets the overall development community benefits. Google gets the benefit of having Meta engineers contributing to the operating system and it would expand the number of Android apps that work on the Quest, something that Meta has said it would like to do, especially apps from Google. So they would have more than just YouTube on the Quest. A likely sticking point was having to have the Google App Store. Meta would not want to offer Google's version of the store. In fact, Meta seems to wanna make its version of the OS the standard and has been talking to LG and others about bringing the Quest OS to other devices. If you wanna have a printer with low maintenance costs and high privacy, consider a laser jet. If you wanna pay $7 to $36 per month to rent a printer that limits the number of pages that you print and thus makes you monitor your printing activities, then HP's new all-in-one plan might be the one for you. $7 per month gives you an HP Envy printer, lets you print 20 pages per month. $36 rents you an OfficeJet Pro and puts a 700 page limit per month on you. The plans also include ink and tech support, though they don't include repairs, which, yeah, I have some questions about that. The printers also must be connected to the internet at all times. Yeah, but $7 a month, huh, yeah. I mean, when would I even ever need to print more than 22? Who says you can't put a price on privacy? Yeah, I don't know. All right, let's get into this big court case. Elon Musk filing a lawsuit against open AI and naming Sam Altman and Greg Brockman as defendants, saying that the company and those two have violated open AI's own founding agreement. You may ask, what does Musk have to do with this? He co-founded open AI with CEO Sam Altman and President Greg Brockman in 2015. Okay, so all right, we've got some inside baseball. What's really going on here, Tom? Yeah, the founding agreement that was referenced in the lawsuit is in open AI, Incorporated December 8th, 2015 Certificate of Incorporation. And it says, resulting technology will benefit the public and the corporation will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable. The corporation is not organized for the private gain of any person. Now Musk claims that because he was a significant founder I should say of the foundation of open AI that based on that founding agreement, he is accusing open AI of breach of contract and a few other violations because he says, well, I wouldn't have funded the company with no promise of getting that money back if I had been aware that somewhere down the line it would pursue profits, even if it's in a subsidiary and Microsoft would be making tons of money off of it. This is not what I signed up for when I gave him the money early on. Okay, so that's what Elon Musk's argument is. What is open AI's defense against it? Open AI's defense will likely include the fact that its for-profit subsidiary has its profits capped. So it's gonna say it's only for profit in order to provide some motivations. It doesn't change us from being a nonprofit. It's not meant to benefit any one entity. Yes, Microsoft benefits from it, but that's no different than what Mozilla does when it has contractors that use Firefox and that that subsidiary was necessary to continue the company. I would expect them to make that argument based on the fact that Musk left in 2018 and sort of abruptly stopped funding the company and didn't deliver a lot of the money that he said he was gonna deliver so they could even possibly do a countersuit. I don't think they'll do that. Musk also makes the more controversial claim in this lawsuit that GPT-4 is in fact artificial generalized intelligence. Therefore the exact danger open AI was founded to guard against is there and it must be opened for others to investigate. He alleges that GPT-4 is kept closed only to provide profits to Microsoft. Open AI is probably gonna argue that it's kept closed for the safety of humanity. That's why it's kept closed and the organization is just fulfilling its charter by keeping it closed. All right, so if Elon Musk gets his way what would he want the court to do? Yeah, so in the lawsuit he is asking the court to order open AI to adhere to its founding agreement. So in other words, stop trying to make money, open source all the things you can open source and he's asking for unspecified damages. You have to have a claim of at least $35,000 in damages to bring this sort of claim as part of the lawsuit. I guess it's gonna be a lot more than that. And he says in this lawsuit it's at least $35,000 worth of damages that we can prove during court. He also suggests restitution of donations as a possible basis for the calculation. So in a sense saying I might just ask for my money back all the money that I funded open AI with in the early days just give me that back. All right, so Jason hearing all of this big news in AI technology news today what do you think is significant here? Well, do I think it's an insignificant case? Absolutely not. Open AI, you know, I don't love them or hate them. They're arguably one of the most noteworthy players in AI at the moment. So I think that immediately makes it a big deal. And then you've got of course Elon Musk that makes everything a party of, maybe party's the wrong word, but he makes everything that he gets. Party of the sort, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, everywhere's if he turns and turns his attention to becomes a party of good or party bad.  I'm gonna stop talking about parties now. Open AI seems to be operating in my view anyways under a very different purpose than when they began. And I think it's pretty difficult to deny that outright. I mean, the deal with Microsoft really makes that more obvious even. And by the way, I'm sure that's a really big part, you know, all of this is probably a really big part of that whole ouster and rehire thing that happened last year with Sam Altman, but that's just a guess. I think Elon has a point here and there's really no question about it. I'm curious about the burden of proof. Elon is referencing, you know, these emails, he's referencing the founding articles of incorporation. Is that gonna be enough for him to get the win here? And then I think beyond that, how long is this gonna drag out? Is this one of those cases that we're talking about years and years down the line? Because it is important. And we're at this early point of this like inflection point around AI. So we're gonna see lots of cases like these. I don't know. I think Open AI was founded on this kind of principle of openness and air quotes being good for all. And I think it's hard. It's difficult to ignore the fact that it's a money-making machine right now. Is that okay? That's what this case is about. That's all true, but is that a violation of its foundation charter that is a breach of contract with Elon Musk? Is what the court's gonna have to decide? No, I don't think they will. Again, we don't know what evidence Musk might bring to court or what testimony might happen. So you're saying there's a chance. Yeah, there's a chance. I'll give it an 18% chance that Musk prevails in this. But I think most courts are gonna look at this and say, hey, they've kept their nonprofit structure. It's totally normal these days for companies to create a for-profit subsidiary of a nonprofit entity. So just because they did that doesn't mean they're bad. Open AI can make some compelling arguments that, yes, we will be open when appropriate. It has not been appropriate in these cases to be open. And here's why. And they could, so I feel like they're gonna prevail in court, whether they'll prevail in the court of public opinion, they will prevail in court. And it's gonna drag on for years. And we're gonna be very entertained. It's gonna be very entertaining because they're gonna drag in all this testimony and expose a bunch of emails and people will get some juicy gossip out of it. Oh, it's gonna be one of those cases.  I think that's a total stretch at this point. That kind of feels like, sorry. No, go ahead. Well, I was just gonna say that feels, we're gonna say the same thing, maybe.  Yeah, and he wants to use it to drag a bunch of open AI secrets out in court. Yeah. Because another, and Elon Musk has a case. You're absolutely right. I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to bring this case. But another motivation he could have to bring a totally legitimate case is because he's also developing AI and anything he can do to slow down a competitor is good for his business.  Yeah, indeed. There are levels to these things. Yeah, and wheels within wheels. Many, many wheels and levels. All right. The wheels I keep on turning. Don't you know it? It's okay. Well, if you listened to that song on Spotify recently, you might be interested in something that Spotify is doing, wasn't a good segue, Sarah. Well, that was great. That was great. Are you kidding me? Thank you, thank you, thank you. Commit. Commit to the bill. Thank you. Sometimes I like to be applauded. So Spotify added 15 hours of free audiobooks listening to its subscription plan. That was last year. Today, Spotify introduced a $9.99 per month option for its free users to also access that same audiobooks collection. It's called the Audiobooks Access Tier. It's similar to the service that it offers subscribers letting customers in the US stream 15 hours of listening from its catalog of over 200,000 titles, 15 hours of listening per month. Free Spotify users can still stream music and podcasts using its ad supported service but can also pay to listen to audiobooks without having to buy a Spotify subscription. Now, I'm not a mathematician but I looked at this and I was like, okay. It's not really that great of a deal but I guess if for whatever reason you simply do not want to subscribe to a Spotify account, you want to be on the free tier, you can at least get a $10 version of something that would be $16 otherwise. Yeah, the other comparison is audible. 15 hours a month, let's just for the purposes of this conversation, assume like that's about a book. You know, audiobooks range anywhere from eight to 20 hours but they're usually somewhere around 12, 13 hours, right? So that's a book. Audible gives you one credit for one book a month for $15 a month. So when you put it that way, well it's a screaming deal. You get a book a month for $10 versus $15. I wanted to ask all of you like how you, if you do, how do you enjoy an audiobook? For me, for whatever reason, when I'm at home, there are many times where I'm like, I have to do some like, I don't know, vacuuming or I have to cook something. An audiobook would be a great thing to play on my home speakers but I only like to listen when I'm driving and I don't drive that much because I work from home. So to me, I'm like 15 hours, I would never even do that but back in the day when I was commuting two hours to and from work, that would have been a different conversation. Jason, where are you on this? Yeah, I mean, I'm similar to you but I do use audiobook and podcast content and stuff to tie into other tasks that I'm doing. Rarely do I ever, if ever actually, now that I think about it, sit down and say I'm gonna listen to an audiobook right now and that's like the thing I do while I stare into space. Like I never do that. I'm sure there are some people that do. It's always tied to doing something, be it driving, doing the dishes, taking the dogs on the walk. Yeah, that's how I listen to content like this. Audiobooks fight for podcast space in my schedule, right? I either listen to podcasts or audiobooks kind of in the same situations. Although I'm the opposite of you, Sarah, I can listen to a podcast while I'm driving. I cannot listen to an audiobook easily while I'm driving. I do it sometimes if I'm really into a book but I get distracted by, you know, not running into other cars and then I lose my place. I'm like, wait, what did they say? Where did they go? And I got a rewind and all of that. So I tend to do it more when I'm like doing chores around the house, you know, doing the laundry, vacuuming, cleaning the bathroom, stuff like that, doing some gardening.  Well, I mean, that's the beauty of audio. You know, some people are sort of like, nope, I'm either reading it or I'm not. Audiobooks aren't for everyone. And I don't think that, you know, an audiobook means that you don't pay attention to the story as much, but it does give you like the option to, in my case, like drive to the grocery store or, you know, play a very simple mobile game. You know, nothing too crazy. That is sort of the beauty of the whole thing. Anyway, I don't know how many of y'all out there are interested in the Spotify new model for audiobooks, but if you are, let us know. Feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. Yeah, if you're like, no, no, this is perfect for me, even though it's only a dollar less than the full subscription. We're very curious about that. I just don't know why you don't pay an extra dollar. Like you get all that extra stuff. I guess if you don't truly need it. I guess, I guess. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. A dollar, I don't know. I don't know, Jason. A dollar goes a long way these days. That's true. No, you're there. Absolutely right. Think of all the things. Yeah, with inflation, the dollar, don't wait. You know what doesn't cost you a dollar to watch if you've already paid for the internet? It's our top five show at youtube.com slash Daily Tech News show. It's a quick show. It's a short these days. 60 seconds where I break down five things you need to know about the world or technology. This week, Roger wanted to count down the top five reasons. The Mac mini is the best Mac. So that's what I'm doing. If you're like, no, Mac mini, how's the Mac mini is the best Mac? Take 60 seconds and watch. You can catch it at Daily Tech News show on TikTok, DTNS pics on Instagram, or as I said, youtube.com slash Daily Tech News show.  Over the past month, a number of companies have partnered with content providers to get licenses to monetize training data. Yesterday, we talked about Stack Overflows deal with Google. Google disclosed a partnership last week with Reddit. Reports alleged that the parent of Tumblr and WordPress automatic has been striking similar agreements with companies like Mid Journey and OpenAI. Jason, a lot of people say that companies should pay to license training data, but what if that data is user data? Because the other thing people don't like is when companies share their user data and monetize it. We see that in the world of advertising. What do you think? Do these deals respect that complaint around data sharing? Where should we draw the line on this stuff? Yeah, I mean, I think it really depends on how a user feels about this, comes down to is, you know, as with so many things that are monetized online, based on kind of user's use, you know, the social media would be another example, is what kind of value do we actually get out of the product? Is what we're giving worth what we're getting? Do they feel like they have any control over whether their data is shared like this? In the case of, you know, some of these things that we're talking about here, I should also point out WordPress.com, not WordPress, so it's not the open source, self-hosted thing. It's the, you know, it's the .com, not .org, which I got wrong on Wednesday on AI Inside. Oh, I see. But so I just want to throw that out there and bring it forward along. People get that wrong a little bit. Yeah, oh, totally. It's easy to get confused, but Automatic has acknowledged that users can opt out of this. Tumblr added the opt-out option in February, but at the same time, you know, people, many people are not going to know that they even can do this, many will not, and they're going to react anyways. So, you know, really at the end of the day, do people feel like that information is giving them something on the other side, I think is a real important aspect of this? Yeah, I think this is inevitable, right? Like, we should have known this was coming. Yeah, absolutely. 100% expected and inevitable. Throwback to Buzz Out Loud. We can't have our cake and eat it too, Tom. Yeah, we can't both have a cake, but then also have eaten it. Yes, exactly. As the saying goes. That's right. That's how it's always in my brain now. Thank you for that. If what we want is future technology that does all of these really crazy cool things for us, then, you know, data is essential to building it. We have to decide what we really want. As users, what are we willing to give in order to inform these things? I think the real challenge here with how this data is being used, you know, with AI and where we're at in this inflection point with AI is that I think as users we probably do want, maybe not everybody, but we probably want systems to do these really magical, neat things that improve our lives in so many ways. But the only way to do that is to fill it with really good pertinent data. And siphoning out, you know, large buckets of data so that only certain pieces go in there. It changes the ultimate product on the other side.  Like, you know, if that's gonna give you what you're actually looking for, I guess what it is is it's a confusing thing where I think sometimes people say, I want really good things, but I also don't want this to be shared.  How can we respect your desire for that to be done in a controlled, respectable way that still gives you the good thing you're looking for? I mean, there's a collision here between the fact that we have never adequately resolved the problem of who owns your own data, right? And for years, I've been a proponent of SOLID, which is an attempt by Tim Berners-Lee to create a system where you could have data under your control and still share it with people safely. It has not caught on, but the fact that we never solved that is now complicating this because I'm gonna do a whole episode of Know A Little More on ChatGPT and go at great lengths to show people that you aren't copying data. ChatGPT isn't looking at a database full of copies of data when it creates its things. It is looking at weights of individual words. And if I were to tell you, you need to pay the New York Times if you wanna publish a count of the words that are in New York Times articles, you'd think I was crazy. Like, what, I can't say how many times they use the word the without a license?  Essentially, what ChatGPT does is a complicated version of that, right? So I don't think it's a copyright issue, but I do think that it's right for people to have a say over whether their data gets used in training data sets or not. So I think we need new rules around that. And the fact that we haven't figured out the rules around privacy is now complicating this. Yeah, 100%. And I will also mention that like, when we use these services, we agree to a certain number of things. It's all there in the terms of service and the reality is many of us, and I'm just as guilty as anyone, don't read it. And so we don't actually know what we're agreeing to, but I hate to break it to you. Reddit owns the data that you're putting onto the Reddit site. And they probably disclose at some point in the terms of service that they wanna do this. If they're not disclosing that, that is a big issue. That's a whole other thing. Yeah, like clicking okay on terms of service that would take you days to read also shouldn't be legally binding. No, totally. You know what you can use to make that more sense of that? An LLM. An LLM. Yeah, right. There you go. It all comes back around. That's right, full circle. All right, let's check out the mailbag. This one is from Chris Christensen who says if you're looking for ways to spend your credit card points, people have those on a plane ticket to somewhere really special. He might have the website for you. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another tech in travel minute. If you collect points and miles for travel and you have a credit card, for instance, that gives you such points and there are numerous credit cards that will do so, especially in the US, less so in Europe and other places, then I'm going to recommend a website to you called Points Yeah, Y-E-A-H. And if you're looking for a flight to buy with your airline points, then you can go to Points Yeah to price a particular itinerary. You choose where you're going, whether it's one way or round trip, and then your dates with some flexibility on the dates, and it will come back with a series of flights that will match that criteria and tell you how many points they are and what kind of points they would be. So it's a great starting place for a points and miles search. There's a number of these that are paid. This one has an upgrade to a paid membership, but it's not a bad place to start for free. The site again is Points Yeah.com, and this is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. I think they use an LLM. I think they probably will. That's the thing. Yeah, they probably will. Even if it's not AI behind the scenes, they'll say it's AI. Real quickly, Detroit Lions Forever wrote in and said, has anyone else had their DoorDash app offer them money and discounts to take pictures of the food they order or is it just me? Accurate photos, no need to rely on diffusion models, doesn't cost the restaurant a thing, we all win. No, the answer is no. I don't use DoorDash as much as some people do, but I have an account. I use it here and there. They've never asked me to take a photo of my delivered meal, but if they did and I got a discount, I would be happy to offer them my submission. And they'll use it to train their diffusion model. Fine, I don't care. I just want to eat dinner. Yeah. You know what I think these companies should do? Don't use diffusion models to create images of your food that's fake. Don't make people out there, take photos of food, have Len Peralta draw your food. That is the best way. I gotta say real quickly, that's kind of weird, isn't it? Like hey, you gotta take some pictures of this food for us, wouldn't you? And it's like, I don't know. It's like next thing they're gonna ask me to take pictures of my feet or something. No, no. All right, we have enough food pics. Can we have some feet, please? That's all we're gonna do. You know why they're doing that. I'm just trying to get more pictures of the, you know, I don't know. Sure, sure. Spaghetti. That leads me to this question, Len, how have you drawn my feet today? I didn't draw feet today. Although, you know, it's not Elon Musk, right? I keep drawing this guy. That guy. Yeah, that guy, right? So today I'm like, eh, it's kind of ridiculous. He's like, why did you abandon your mission for benefit of humanity and choose to be for profit? I really just did this so I could have open AI tell him to go, go musk himself.  Anyway, that's. Oh, Len, this is one of the good ones. Thank you. It was not programmed to love you, Elon. No, it wasn't, it wasn't. Yeah, it's sometimes I go for the cheap joke. If you love cheap jokes, you can go and get this at Patreon, patreon.com forward slash Len.  Or you can go to my store, lennproldestore.com and you can get it there or you can commission me. You can do that as well. That's always fun. And I will draw your feet. So. If you ask. Len will draw your feet. Jason Howell, let's not talk about feet, but let's talk about where people can keep up with all that you do. Well, if you would like me to send you foot pictures, then go ahead and send an email to Android Faithful. She just said. No, I blanked it. I'm sorry. androidfaithful.com for Android stuff. AIinside.show for AI show. A show I do with Jeff Jarvis talking about artificial intelligence. But I guess I'll, outside of that, if I can throw one more in there, I've started to ramp up content on YouTube and I'm doing the kind of more like reviewsy, somewhat like medium form, long form edited video content. Let me tell you, it's a lot of work, but I'm having fun with it. So go to youtube.com slash at yellowgoldstudios or just yellowgoldstudios.com will take you right there. Yeah, fantastic. Go check that out. And just a real quick note, Jason will be joining Eileen and I on Apple Vision Show. Episode five, we record on Monday and we're so glad to have you. Thank you. Yeah, is it a requirement that I have an Apple Vision Pro in order to be on the show? No, no, no. Okay, because I know. It's all things Apple. All things Apple all the time. Cool, it's like a part of it. So Vision Pro, you know, encouraged, but not mandatory. Yeah, you don't even have to have feet. Patrons, stick around for the extended show, Good Day Internet. It's time again for the great GDI debates. 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See we got in here for you, brother. It's a Christian Watson RPA. That's nice 1975 nice low numbered RPA always good to get one of these under a hundred or less Very solid first tip for you Tony. Congrats, buddy Gold team Josh Allen and Rashad white to 399 dark horses Zach Wilson Thanks, I'm Brady certified stars Keenan Allen, there's a Corey Davis a pretty nice two out of 25 for the Niners nice Brock Purdy Lamar and Wandaille Robinson to 325 and 199 cardinals Gold team Jamar Chase. I had to hold it together last night in that box that we always talk about Oh, yeah, yeah Nice Sam Williams going to the Cowboys mirror signatures 115 out of 149 not mirror signatures, but rookie signatures Nice one there. He had a great week last week seal of approval Joe mix in a 199 my god Certified gamers 45 out of 99 nothing super big a lot of the new Star Wars top scrim black, which is pretty cool I haven't ripped any of that yet We've got Najee Harris to 249 I'm excited to see what that's all about Didn't really get to watch any of forest today Con Hamilton 393 out of 399 going to the Ravens a Drake London and base Two more to go here. Tony. Good luck, buddy. We need an extra hit. Nope. That's a filler. Just getting just getting false alarm Devontae Adams I'm gonna watch that video back when I see you see this bill. I go flying. There's two out of 349 killer card That must have been funny, yeah That'll do it for the break. Congrats again on all your hits. Tony. Thanks as always for jumping in man I do appreciate it. We'll get him right out to my friend.  That was That was like just straight up like That no that you know the worst part about that was that was during my five-day stretch And that was the first day of the five days It wasn't even like the fourth day. We're like, oh, it makes sense that we're like punch-happy She's The four night Is What it's 2022 who will hide in a bush in fortnight in 2022 like the big ones Yeah, I'm not looking around to see what's going on. Would you get sniped? That's funny that's actually hilarious Oh, yeah Cliffhead or do you over drop emote some people? The take the L I love that one That's my that's my literally my favorite one right there. I still have that and the best mates a dinning in and I love that one, too That one's so funny All right, good luck here Christian What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards doing a two box mixer for a christen s That includes a Origins football 2022 in a 2022 tops chrome or top Star Wars chrome black hobby. So let's start with the Star Wars Yeah, this is my first time opening this I'm kind of interested to see what it's all gonna be all about Let's be full of one one Just out do forest on my first Card and there's an empty box Cad Bain Now I say and Sid 10 of 10 very nice on the pink. Let's go dude. Very solid one This guy looks like he's from Florida Yeah, this is a guy. I see when I'm driving home There you go, Sid. We've got Magistrate Morgan L. Smith nice on the auto that is Deanna Lee in a in Osanto On your encased auto And so I'll do it for tops chrome. Let's do your origins next 2022 origins football through the top of my thumb from opening every single one of the exact we open Five full cases. So I open just on that 60 boxes plus another we open seven cases of origins tonight Or no six cases of origins tonight and my top my thumb is raw at this point from just doing the stupid little slide thing There's Diath a Johnson a 199 Steelers a Shaquille Leonard to 299 Colts T-Lock and rookie variation Sam Howell commanders Got nice. Can he pick a Jersey 95 out of 99? There you go. Start good start right there Christian Syrian Davis price rookie on-card auto going to for the Niners and then we've got a Hassan Haskins On the rookie Jersey auto not numbered for the Titans Nice hit for you there Christian. Good way to end it. That'll do it for your break Thanks again for hopping in man. Appreciate the support. We'll get them right out. Yeah I literally have to film my break. She doesn't see No, I think from last think last Friday I need to tighten up on that one dude because I got Saturday and Sunday Then Tuesday and today She's gonna have to do that on my day off. Come on Cheese steaks, man.  Oh Dylan's working. That's right. It's tomorrow One's that no, there's a no, he's off. He's off Let me see What you got to Star Wars chrome top school black. All right, Jimmy Good luck here, buddy What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cars doing a two-box break of 2022 top Star Wars chrome black Hobby for Jimmy C. Good luck here, Jimmy Buddy Jimmy Gonna keep the encased card in there because I don't want to spoil it. So we'll do it this way Lama Sue Cut luck in and or a sing blue 15 out of 75 nice Not think so And then we've got crosshair on the auto D Bradley Baker very nice. That's crosshair We'll take that. I think it's all animated stuff Yeah, sure so yeah, you're right So far well it's across the Star Wars saga There's a real one may felt it's Bill Burr right there Funny as I love him grief cargo and ray on the gold five out of 50 nice one there Ray gold And we've got our encased auto it's gonna be Peli motto Amy Sideris That'll work right there to Peli motto not numbered on your auto That'll do it for your break there Jimmy. Thanks again for jumping in congrats on all the hits.  That's Bill Burr. Yeah. Oh, yeah So summer and it's kind of like a lot of the other Star Wars have like half animated half like Live action. Yep. You gotta collect again. Oh, you're writing something for a second. It's like oh boy I'm assuming that's From what they call it's one of the like parks All right guys, let's do it. Let me or not. Let's do it yet. Let me write out. This is Connor Connor Sarah Arnold The earth your hand Yeah, you're a grown man Just a pure I Let's do it guys What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards? We are rip doing a two box Kind of mixer-ish thing for Conor see we've got one twenty twenty-two leaf autograph football jersey and one twenty-two leaf best of sports So good luck here, man. You know, I pulled out three boxes of this last night 2012 Bryce Harper prism PSA 10 rookie 2017 PSA 9 Jason Tatum prism silver rookie and then a tops dynasty formula one like a one of the patch autos of principle I mean, it wasn't like a crazy guy, but I'm like still like F1 dynasty like that's a pretty big product Thanks. Oh, do you imagine there's a Brady in here. Holy cow. I'll lose my mind. Oh, that's actually kind of cool That's gonna be a Matt Ryan cold saw Jersey very short lived right there Nice one there back it authenticated Not bad Take the Matt Ryan maddy ice maddy ice 28 to 3 people are saying yesterday when we called Matt Ryan out of the Dean helmets that like he should describe it 28 to 3 Imagine someone made him do that And that's so brutal that's like I start there for you Connor Connor Now we've got the best of sports These are so much these are these might be my favorite products. We have right here. That's pretty sick 2012 tops PSA 10 Russell Wilson rookie. That's right. That's pretty solid actually these are Super super difficult to grade because it's paper too because it's the paper one So a PSA 10 man, we will take that for sure Broncos country. Let's ride. Let's ride very nice Congrats on the Russ. That'll do for your break there Connor. Thanks again for jumping in. We'll get those right out to you man Let me upload that you want to come collect with me really quick before you're out Probably collabing to collect one more round to person those guys. I think that's gonna be it from tonight I'm still a little beat from last night. I just get nervous when I hear the pen going over there I go God, what's what's next? Yeah, no problem Tony. Thank you, man. Tony. All right, I think we're gonna go up to Albert's First yeah, we'll go we'll do Albert so three loom Alright guys, let me one second. We'll get these rocking and rolling right here. Hold on. Let me do one more thing You See what we got Yeah, it's just a Star Wars chrome That was hey, that was today. I was you know, just went up to Brevers shirt And I've seen real exes.  That's the shirt on my night. All right. Here we go. Good luck here, Trevor What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards are up in one box of 22 top Star Wars chrome black hobby for Trevor N. It's good luck here, Trevor. See what we got for you, buddy. Now. You got good hand, right? I'll give you you got great handwriting.  Yeah, bro She was a teacher. Oh, yeah, I got it done. It was dire that you wrote nice Rose Tico Kit Fisto That's gonna be Grogu 109 out of 199 nice one there Congrats, Trevor. That's pretty sweet I Very nice hit though. Nice Take a grogu We got an orange coming up here. Oh Orange Princess Lea, Organa from the animated series Julie Dolan 17 out of 25 nice one there Julie Dolan that'll do it for your break there Trevor. Congrats on your hits man. We'll get them right out to you Appreciate you, buddy. Yeah, maybe see you. Well, I'll see you tomorrow for lunch. Make sure to tax me. We know y'all for sure Yeah, that's fine. I'll be up by then You guys have a good night. See you tomorrow night. You're up next Steven. That is Bowman first Yeah, all right Sean's gonna stay for you keep that mojo going for you, man. Oh, yeah The things I do For this one's the We're full for the night hit row unfortunately, I'm not even gonna get to everybody that we have in queue currently SNS Express baby, let's go. Here we go. Good luck What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards. We've been one box of Tag this really quick. I think it's 20 2022 Bowman baseball first edition for Steven S. So good luck here Steven Thanks buddy SNS Express, baby. Good luck here. Let's do it right here blue Brendan Davis 45 out of 150 take that big cubs one right there base I'll see a big aqua to yeah, like you said a big resty to auto or something. That'd be pretty awesome base Aqua Victor La Brada for the Mariners Bill Wagner Christian Hernandez Aqua for the cubs over for you Base there's clear Watson on the back not bad base base base There's a base right there. There's an aqua of Jorbit Viva's for the Dodgers And aqua's not numbered just your kind of parallels see some big like an Ellie or a Valera or wood or Watson somebody big There's a Ricardo genoves Felix Valeria nice one there go into the brew a brew crew Luke Waddell on the first aqua. I used to know exactly how these were like structured Cooper Kenny Go into the rays like when you took them out What was gonna be your base packs and what we're gonna be your foil packs? He knew them like down on every single first edition. Yeah wild Jeter Downs go into the Red Sox nice one there James Wood first nice one there sir. Oh Sally there's Jackson winski first. He made his debut. He's got his rookies an update So it's he has a 22 22 bowman first, and he has a 22 update rookie. It's funny Yeah, it's anything like as Waldo Cabrera and the inks Lenin Sosa and the White Sox. They all have like in the majors. It's kind of wild Dori Lorenzo nice one there for the Stroze Face Robert Hassell part of that Soto trade Pull some out gummary first base pack There's a color out here three to go Get some more colors a gold one baby big gold. Come on. Come on. That's gonna be South Frelec Nice that'll work you go for the brew crew one out of 50. Let's go He was the He's like 14th overall. He's 21 bowman draft is his first, but that's pretty solid right there He's gonna be a good player. I think he's one of their top prospects between Perez him and Like Gilbert Sanchez, I think Blue headbert Perez 119 out of 150 literally just who you're talking about right there Well, if you weren't a brewers fan before there Stephen, I think you are now Yeah, Bobby win jr. Nice. There we go. That'll work. Let's go great way to end it right there on the aqua That'll do it for the bar your break right there Stephen. Thanks as always man. Appreciate you chilling with us We'll get them right out to my man Gotcha, you got it. Thank you Stephen. Appreciate you man. Thanks for staying on that one, too I appreciate that Later Stephen have a good night, man I'll see you on if you're here Friday morning. I'll see you then if not, I'll see you Saturday night I'm streaming against Saturday night.  Thank you as always appreciate it Everybody take it easy. Gotcha. We got a few more.  We'll go tomorrow with Forrest Give me one second. I gotta go lock the door. All right guys We are on to Blake B now one second. Let me get this ready to go. All right, here we go Blake What's going on everyone Sam here with latent sports cars ripping one box of 2022 top Star Wars chrome black hobby for Blake B It's good luck here Blake. See what we got in here for you buddy. You're one pack Stuff's been really good man. It's been a lot of fun to rip. There's an Ezra Bridger Vice Admiral Rampart and Cobb Van nice 22 out of 75 on the blue Take Cobb Van Very nice and your encase card is Nambi Gima Not numbered. That's Kieran Shaw as Nambi Gimba Or Gima Nambi Gima Very nice that'll do it for the break there. Thanks again for the support break Blake. We'll get him right out to you man All right, Gary got your tag Gary. All right There we go. Gary. Good luck, buddy What's going on everyone Sam here with latent sports cards ripping one box of 2022 Panini prism baseball hobby for Gary a Good luck here Gary. Let's do it.  So I will be sorting them Not gonna sleeve every single thing right now.  There's a red Marcus Simeon reds not numbered in prism baseball And championship stage thinking crucial. I'm literally watching paid programming right now and it's T. Fee man There is some vet base have a Gilbert Flaherty Josh Lowe and Zach Thompson Tread Wallsteen glass one Soto nice blue mojo say us a zoo key to 199 that'll work on The Cubs color match very cool. Nice. Seah Ryan Feltner silver and Kyle Moore is 14499 for this one For the full hobby box Base rookie base Jose Ramirez silver Byron Buxton and Boba chef. Yo, help. Hozo. I'm a rookie Louis seal as George Brett fearless Yachty red Manuel Rodriguez and Chris Brian see we got next patch Mazzica There's a hobby by as up everything fell under green rookie. Nice Siri red Zach Gallin and fireworks chest chisel Let me grab a basket really quick for a base Next pack here Gary. Good luck buddy. Yeah, that doesn't ship in this Sometimes we'll do that depending on the product Sometimes like veteran base won't ship. It means anything here I'll show you the difference So like this one has a rookie This one does not have a rookie right there So the ones without the rookie logo, they don't do not ship. We got Seth Romero Nice debut signatures for the Nationals first auto Hoy John Park silver rookie and Corbyn burns But everything else does just out anything that doesn't Anything that is not a rookie or insert does not ship out of this and green Yuli Gurriel That's gonna be to 125 nine out of 125 for the strokes We've got one Soto stained glass Not numbered interesting Kevin Smith rookie class Five packs to go here Gary. Good luck buddy. We just we donate them to kids We keep like a whole bunch. Let me donate like pallets at a time Sharon Durand rookie Matt Olson. There's a Josh low rookie auto Not numbered on that one for the race. How old am I? Fearless lube up and slugger's tatsis. I'm 23 Rios auto Lopez Jake Myers a couple of rookies there There's a Ryan Belaid rookie Juan Marischal a shadow. There's a Chris sale 39 out of a hundred on the orange Nice one there blue Nicoladolo on the rookie nice one there Gary and rookie class Gavin sheets Three to go here here Soon get you an extra auto out of this maybe there's a Bobby Whit rookie make new bar McGill Nice Stephen Kwan There you go congrats on the debut signatures hit the Kwan, baby Nice one there For the Guardians that'll work Gary. Congrats, buddy Nick Allen and Corey seager pretty solid box We're working with so far. Yeah, the numbers say a Kwan auto See if you can get anything else looks like we have an extra auto in here, too Like you're only guaranteed three if I'm not mistaken Clana hand there's McCormick Peter Lonzo There's no Neil Cruz rookie Riley Adams Lewis Marcus Simeon fearless Greg deep man. That's gonna be 65 or 66 out of 75. I Am 23. I am 23 Shane AJ Alexi Silver and Championship stage of Kunya. All right. It's a nice one there as well Devers Strowman Tati stained glass in at blue and an emergent digrom that'll do it for your break there Gary thanks again for jumping in we'll get those right out to you buddy. Nice Shane I'm just here breaking alone right now. I had Sean here with me earlier Albert. Let's do it, buddy So I'm saying man right Grab this here. Oh boy God Terry on re so you say a Terry on re Terry on re I know it's on re is the last name But I don't know if that the first name is a hundred percent anymore still Terry on re What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards ripping three boxes of? 2022 tops luminaries baseball and one 2022 fanatics under wraps authentic signed baseball for Albert S. So good luck here Albert. Let's see what we got man. Oh, no, I'm Sam Sam is my name. Yeah No shot dude. Oh, that's pretty cool. It's Anthony Rendon Signed auto or signed baseball right on a sweet spot Angels Yeah, we're breaking to our basketball. No, no basketball left in queue. There's only that one more personal after this Nice one there. All right three boxes of 2022 tops luminaries baseball Stuff is so fire man three out of ten Dale Murphy nice one there on the Jersey auto that is Hit Kings career high season hits total 1985 185 Nice one there. Congrats on that Albert. We've got four out of ten Anthony Rizzo for the Yankees nice one there. That's gonna be a career home runs total 251 game use back card right there Yankees legend and last box of luminaries Do it here, buddy three out of five Christian yellow For the brew crew nice one there congrats on that one Albert That's pretty awesome three out of five. That is number six and brewers career average That'll do it for your break there Albert. Thanks again for jumping in man for the support We'll get them right out to you. All right last personal in the night here guys Yes, sir Zythron I saw Matt Ryan put it into overtime. That's pretty cool I literally just saw that when I was out in the the break room Here we go. Good luck Brendan What's going on everyone Sam here with late in sports cards doing a pretty cool five box mixer for Brendan K We've got four twenty twenty-two leaf best of sports in one twenty twenty-two tops crew a Star Wars chrome black hobby For Brendan K. So good luck here. That's up Lane Hold a grogu out of 199. That was pretty cool Lane We've got Enfis nest how and Darth Vader 25 out of 99 dude. That is so awesome Congrats on that one Brendan nice Vader Vader to 99. We'll take that all day long Love pulling a nice Vader Then we've got a Shia Locking or lock Wayne that is 28 out of 99 Nika Futterman Very nice one there. I'll get a the Vader into a mag for you too, man There you go. All right. We got some leaf best of sports now. Good luck Let's see it here Brendan. That's pretty sick. How about a 2014 Bowman prospects Jacob DeGrom PSA 10? Nice one there congrats on that Brendan PSA 10 on the DeGrom first that's so sick I love I love this product man. It is so awesome Empty we've got franchise legends Barry Sanders on the prism Silverado Numbered 92 out of 99. That's awesome. Nice Barry Barry Sanders on that one empty empty. It's up. No 2021 Panini Revolution SGC 10 Lamello ball on the Astro Not numbered SGC mint 10 that is awesome congrats on that one to Brendan Nice Lamello. We'll take that one right there Empty the break That's boxes a night. I should say 1997 FLIR David Ortiz gem mint 10 PSA 10 Dude, that's awesome big poppy. That's the old the old PSA right there as well Dude, that's great. That is so awesome. It has it as David Arias, too Dude, that's so cool, man. Oh that was Great leaf best of sports right there. That'll do it for your break there Brendan Thanks as always for jumping in man. We'll get them right out to you Let me mag this vader really quick. Have a good one Shane. Thanks for coming in man Sure, I'll see you tomorrow or next time I break late at night Or as you say when the Steelers come back win the division Let's do all right guys. Let me get this uploaded and then I will say my goodbyes Right. Thank you guys again for hanging out. We've got What time does forest start tomorrow a Four o'clock start time with forest tomorrow. It's gonna be pretty fun. Definitely gonna be a pretty great time Then we've got pretty one-in-one on Friday release day, that's all I'll be breaking during the day, which will be great And then I'll be back on Saturday Or no, we won't be on Saturday. Then we got Sunday. I'll have personal boxes. So I will see you guys soon. Thanks


Oil that's right. So a little bit of a surprise here. We have a build of 2.3 million barrels estimate was for a decline of 2.7 We'll jump back to those numbers in a moment, but let's jump over. Where are we at? Boom market going down, man. Now, you know, we're looking for a draw All right, we have a surplus API was a draw last night big supply 2.5. Okay so we got a surplus in EIA and Boom, we might see a 50 handle on oil, which is remarkable man.  I said Tuesday morning 55 were above. We're about to be below 51. That's a $4 move in just over 24 hours and a volatility in this market And in particular that oil market you can get a two or three dollar move today Oh, that's with a big surprise like that coming off that with everything else happening and just to wrap up some of those numbers Look at the gas gas a bill to 4.4 estimate was a decline of 1.2. That's expensive gasoline Bring it on Distalates 1.5 estimate was 450 and it looks like a pad 3 was a big part of that right 5.5 million barrel because cushing actually had declined and They got refinery crude inputs refineries going up even with gasoline being out there Maybe that's part of the contribution in terms of refinery crude inputs refinery production We'll see what happens action all over the place. Yeah, I love it