Hello and welcome back on me more of it here on torque drift on the PC We're here for a build episode of a car that you guys if you know the channel, you know me You knew it was coming. You just didn't know when so we're here to do a new build on a new car We should just follow me on all social media all that you found in the description box below Well, let's get to it So if you guys know me and you know the channel you guys know what car I usually go to So before we do that we're gonna try and beat this Orlando challenge here The formula drifter Orlando change you probably see the car here in a second though Unless we automatically Yeah, yeah, you'll see it. You'll see it. It's right back there 25,000 We'll get to sponsor crates We are gonna be building the Z today if you guys know the channel You guys know my love for Z chassis 350 Z and 370 so we've been building that the car does have a bunch of Imported parts on it. We're gonna put more on to it. We're gonna see if we can beat this Orlando Chase Challenge so we're gonna try and find which car I'm feeling You know We're gonna give red Dan's car a rip So, let's see if we can chase down the Incarnate with red Dan didn't get off to the greatest of starts Probably should have started in a lower gear So we are nowhere near the 25,000 chase because we need to be up against him higher on the bank So we're gonna give it one more shot and see what we can do Gonna lower that audio just a little bit so we didn't even get tier one So we need to start in a lower gear we kind of bogged down so we probably should start in second gear and Then get our way up into fourth. Hopefully we can get a better launch on this No grip whatsoever and Dean Kearney's car definitely Much faster, but we're managing to somewhat catch up Running way high on that bank We're definitely not gonna get the 25,000 chase Because unfortunately we're not getting enough grip coming off the start. We did get 16. So we got some cash We're not getting enough grip coming off the start. So maybe we should change up cars a little bit and Try maybe a different car. Maybe we can get some more grip on I mean we can give our M4 a shot I don't know if we're gonna have enough grip in the M4 though, but or the speed actually to keep up with Dean Kearney Try starting on fourth a little bit better grip there though But not close enough All right, so we did get a little bit better grip off there. So let's give this another shot We were managed to keep up to him closer. I feel Except for that time we we bogged down. So Definitely struggling here to get the launch where we need to go here to get the launch So we will try third gear launch Struggling to get grip here at OSW That's how we were a little bit better But Dean Kearney is leaving us In our M4 I ran that way way we're gonna hit those barriers It's how they prevent you from going up. So unfortunately, I don't think we're gonna be able to attack this We're gonna try a different car maybe one more car, but um, I'm thinking maybe Only cars that might be able to do it would be mad mikes or Maybe Christos Bluch's car we try Christos Bluch that you know to Eurofight. Oh my god That's not gonna help So that's a bit of a bit of a drop and a bit of a bug Okay, that's how we're good So that's a little bit unfortunate that we kind of just drop like that. Okay, she's staying third We had the launch on him to Struggling to get this challenge done Shouldn't have hesitated shouldn't hit the brakes She just stayed in it. We run that so wide much wider than I need to all right We're gonna try not to hesitate. We're gonna try to initiate right in there with him not entirely sure if it's gonna work, but We're gonna give it a shot No, we failed to initiate. Oh But but we were right on him there So we might still be able to get this oh, yeah, we got it. We good So just a little door banging and Christos Bluch's car and we're able to get the 25,000 chase So we managed to get those sponsored crates. We're gonna use those to start building that three That 350 Z more so Who knew that all I had to do was just get really close and door bang on You know in Kearney's door and we would have been able to get the you know the points we needed So let's go back into parts And we're gonna go to the 350 Z. It's gonna be all the way over here Now it does have a bunch of Aftermarket parts already on it So now we're gonna go into crates because we do have four sponsored crates to open so we're gonna open these four up Ooh, that's a good pull. We did need that exhaust so we didn't get to upgrade the exhaust Notice that super crazy pull, but it's a pull nonetheless some more cash. We're just gonna give us more money Some more gold which is definitely good if we want to buy some more parts Let's pull uh final sponsored crates here some tires and some more tires so fortunately That wasn't a good pull in that aspect. So let's go check what we got here We do are gonna put that exhaust on that three inch mission moto exhaust And we're gonna go back to parts and see what we got. So we're gonna want to start With some suspension and stuff. Yeah, okay. We're gonna want to start with suspension And we're gonna do an angle kit We do have enough to get those auto by So we're gonna auto buy that stuff Which is good. Now we already have the exhaust and stuff of that nature But we're gonna need to upgrade the brakes the diff the clutch And uh all this other stuff. So since we have the money to buy it all we're gonna buy it all now and then We will uh Put it all on the next episode because we're not gonna get it right now So we do have all that now. We can go into even higher parts Higher suspension higher angle kits. We should buy this stuff while we have the coin well They never said you built a car without going All out so buy the angle kit buy the suspension and um What other parts should we be oh should we buy the bigger turbo? We should probably look at engines though I am liking the fact of uh rb 26 So We have a little extra money. We'll buy that We will buy this rb 2j rb 2j or rb. Hmm I kind of like the fact of a 2j So we're gonna go with a 2j. So we're gonna buy the 2j Which kind of puts us um out of money We have a little bit of money. Maybe we can buy we can take a look at the body kits Definitely gonna want to get that body kit on there that looks sweet And then of course Why are they incompatible? Oh, that one's incompatible Oh, yep, we got to get some more coins and stuff to Pull on some aggressive body kits, but I feel like we need to change the wheels up because these wheels are uh pretty plain And I'm not seeing any Amazing wheels that I want to put on yet So I think we'll keep the stock wheels on it for now so We do need to go into tuning and adjust some stuff now because we do have A bunch of stuff in it. So we're gonna go in we're gonna tune our angle kit for right now Bump up as much as we can leave the camber.  We're gonna want a little bit of negative camber We accept a little bit negative camber And then for suspension We're going to lower it up Stiffen it just one as well And that's what we're gonna run for right now. Now. Do we have differential lock? Can we tune this? We'll leave it how it sits So z definitely super excited to have the z and the build as you can see we bought a lot of parts for the car already So there will be definitely another episode on this one So let's take the z for a rip Is anybody Well, we could try kelly banks real quick We guys every we guys know if you've been a part of the channel for a while kelly banks kids Good or bad for me See if we can find anybody to go against here on kelly banks and fd urwindale circuit Been having a bit of an issue trying to find battles recently. I don't know if it's just my oh, oh, there we go. Okay Well, this should be an interesting battle About the same horsepower So first rip of the z so in second Kick it in third Kick it in Oh, not terrible out of the bat kind of lost a little bit there But you know what? For a first rip out with the z I'll take it It's a little uh a little bump on the back bumper nothing major that turbo is so loud in this car I definitely think the audio needs to be changed a little bit because that turbo pop-off is super loud We did get a way better lead in our little z So we might take a w with the z for the first shot Might need some grippier tires Oh kicking the third uh Trying to oh trying to throw door. Oh, man Dude is struggling to uh Stay sideways in that Mad mic fd We're trying to get the best we can but we're getting door bangs Definitely curious how the 2j is gonna sound once we actually get the 2j in there a little door love on there So the z does handle the bank quite well. I think we should definitely uh Change our tires. Maybe uh put some Different tires on there. We have plenty of these. So we'll throw these on maybe get a little bit more grip And then we're gonna see if we can find another competitor here to finish this episode off I hope you guys are enjoying this episode. So like you saw we bought a bunch more parts for the z So, you know, there's more episodes coming here on torque drift And it looks like we're going up against a iPhone user with a uh pretty simple clean s 13 So let's see what we got Second gear Third gear pull Flick it in. Yep. The tires were definitely a much better choice Getting a lot more grip in the back end of this car Oh So far a pretty Solid lead run. I would say in the z I definitely like how the z is gripping up and handling right now and it's just a basic tune So super excited to get the higher suspension kits and everything on there as well as the 2j so 350 maybe my new favorite car So I think we're gonna definitely build this thing all all the way up See if we can't throw it in now Suck up this dude's door This little door love Did not expect him to break so early Think i'm getting back to my old chase abilities here on the pc on the controller Let me know what you guys think you think i'm getting better on the controller. I think I am So I think that'll do it here for this episode two dubs. I believe for today in the z Make sure you guys follow me on all social media. I'll have you found the description box below As always, I thank you guys for coming back and watching. I'm evil rabbit. I'll see you guys on the track


About tonight or today. Sorry. It's not tonight. We're gonna be diving into a few things I'm gonna introduce myself here first because of some of you may know me you may be relatively new to prove it As you know that my name is Vincent Schaefer. If you don't know me I've been with really since the beginning of time I'm Michael Rutherford and everything class and he basically he gave me the opportunity to try this Yeah, I hope that makes sense. He didn't hold it from me He shared this with me the conversation and and we got to help build this thing together and learn a lot about it But when we got started we had one one product one flavor It's actually I have some of it in my office over my my closet behind me, but Over the last five and a half years. We've advanced some things We have numerous iterations of our keto net which is our main product that majority people are gonna get started with but we also We also have a lot of support products and a lot of times people get confused like how do I use this? What is this for? Why do I need that I want to do is give everybody a little bit of a light on that but also teach teach you all how to utilize this as a business tool to share this with more people and And right now I find that it's easy to get kind of overwhelmed or get get stuck in what we're doing and not realizing How we can utilize these tools as an expansion, right? But what I what I want to do is before we really dive into all these tools I want to kind of keep something in mind And I'm gonna ask you some questions. I need a full participation here Please full participation. Okay What is the nor what is the number one and number two most common reasons people start to drink ketones? If you don't mind in the chats put that down below. What are the most common reasons people? Drink ketones. I see energy. All right fat loss Okay, sleep one sleep in there So what we've done is majority people start for energy and fat loss majority. I would say probably 80% Even if they say move they really just mean they want to lose body fat I'd be happier about themselves if they do if that makes sense like people sometimes don't want to say it They're like especially if somebody's a little bit bigger and the person that they're referring is a little bit smaller They don't want to say fat loss. They don't want to feel weird about it all So knowing that the majority of people the majority people come for energy and fat loss. Let me ask you a question How many people are Themselves how many of you all have started a fat loss journey and potentially plateaued or maybe stopped or maybe There was your results and keep going Do you feel that you're confident in sharing the product or the conversation is higher or lower? When you're not and your journey, you're not pursuing better your body stopping or plateauing. I want to ask that question I think this is a really important. I see lower I'm on a pat on the zoom, so I'm not sure why it's I can only see one. Oh, I got that. There we go I get to see people now finally. What's up Jenna? So is your confidence in the product higher or lower when you're stopping your your goal of let's use fat loss Or you plateaued is it higher or lower? Would you say it's lower? Lower okay, I'm seeing the fingers going down. So Here's the reality is this is what my challenge is for everybody right now right off the bat is We're running into the the is it May 1st 2nd 3rd something It's like May or something like that summer's coming around the corner bathing suit weather We're getting we're finally we're getting released out of our cages here in America at least Canada They've been engaged for the whole time the whole time up there, but we're gonna start seeing people But most people gained a lot of weight through Kobe over the last year and are struggling trying to get it off And so to me you have to be a product of the product if that makes sense now Here's the reality if you didn't go for for weight loss where we know our product There's a lot of things but if 80 to 90 percent of people come for fat loss Well, and we're not confident in our own journey and our goal Do you think that our conversation is gonna be easier when we go out this summer or the next three months or three weeks if We're not pursuing something One of the most common things I found and this is all applies to the business in the park They come together right if you're not pursuing something better If you hit your fat loss goals or your weight loss goals or your health goals, and you don't keep pursuing something You have less to talk about And here's the cool thing is especially a social media such a big thing nowadays Your new social media friends don't even know where you started from right if you just added five new social media friends Over the last 30 days They don't know that you've been plateaued. They don't know that you have That you lost 50 pounds. They don't know that as far as they know you're starting from square one today You all track him what I'm saying here So think about this if you're out there Attracting and bringing in new people or getting new people to watch you in any capacity Right. Maybe your your kids are in school right now. We our kids started school last year, right? We live in a new town. We don't actually know anybody. We don't know any of the students We don't know any of the the parents so we're starting to meet them right now Well, they only know us from where we're starting from so if I have five pounds to lose which I could drop five pounds Maybe even ten if that's what I'm focused on Well, they only are gonna know this beginning journey if I say hey, I'm gonna go do a 10-day drink ketone challenge Or I'm gonna go do a keto challenge for next 30 days and drop 10 pounds Well, guess what they're watching they're watching my journey from now moving forward They don't know the last six years of my life. They have no clue. They just met me So I think this is really important because what I find is that when people plateau in their business, right? What happens is they they lose like and they we always talk about plateaus are normal And they are and I'm not gonna get too into that I am gonna get into the support price I think they're gonna play a role in this transition But what I want to do is give people the encouragement is to keep pursuing your journey Whatever it is if you plateaued celebrate that But then put a plan together to move forward to keep moving in your in your direction If you do that you're gonna see your because you're gonna be more excited about sharing the conversation Would you all agree with me that when you share that if you watch anything about Joseph We did x-factor the other day Or a couple weeks ago now if if you share a conversation and you emotionally or energetically aren't excited about it Do you think people are gonna be less or more likely to attract it to them? Especially the people that you want to be attracted to it, right? You want it to you? It's gonna be more right if you have excitement about that. So my action step right now for today Initially is what is your next 30 days next 60 days? What are you manifesting that's what are you bringing into your life? What's your intention to do and are you excited about that? Are you excited to to go towards it or to go? For me, I have lots of surgeries happening right now So I'm getting excited about going to PT and going to work out and get in the gym because I'm gonna do that a long time So I start posting more about this. I start moving more towards this Okay, and so somebody just typed in NDP multiplier I promise you this if you get excited about Something that you're working towards something that you're moving towards that's gonna better you it could be business It could be product it could be a Transformation and mental clarity energy it could be hey, I'm gonna go run a marathon. It could be I'm gonna go do a 5k I'm gonna go swim the English Channel. What? We tried to do that. Well, we talked about doing that. We didn't actually do it So here's the reality if you get excited about that and you start sharing that excitement about where you're going You're are you more or less likely to hit multiplier this month? more Hi, I say hi to everybody. Okay, somebody needs to say hi. Can you say hi everybody? Hi Say hi everybody. Can you say my name Charlotte? You want to sing happy birthday? It's Brian's birthday. You want to have a happy birthday? good Happy birthday Happy birthday She started singing happy birthday just out of nowhere the other day. It was just the cutest thing So this is Charlotte by the way, if you don't know Charlotte, this is our youngest I'm I'm watching her why April is actually at the gym So this is my focus for you all today is decide what may is going to be for you from from a health side of it We talk about business all the time. I think they go together. I think that they're mesh I think people's energy towards the business is often very Commonly linked to their results of the product of their journey of what they were pursuing I was on with a call last night lady. She dropped 80 pounds on a key genetic diet and she plateaued She got really frustrated She dropped another 63 with the product But if she plateaus again, she might get frustrated a little bit and that's understandable But at the end of the day if we have to keep we have to break through that plateau She has to focus and get excited about what she wants and start moving moving forward So what I'm going to do is talk about some of these support support products that maybe can help you go through That plateau or break that plateau and the first one I want to do is this So what we found is are you more or less likely to to promote or sell the 24 fast if you're doing it? Are you more or less likely to to to promote it if you're doing or not doing it? So I want you all to be true honest with yourself Good cop bad cop. Are you doing 24 fast right now? Are you doing it? I'm not telling everybody you have to do it every single month. I'm not telling you have to do it every single time I've been in China twice during reboots I didn't do the reboots those times. I missed like three or four reboots But if you're not doing the 24 fast, you're not gonna talk about it if you don't talk about it It's hard to promote it. You don't have to be salesy. You can just tell people hey I'm doing my 24 fast. I got a major major kit. It's a great curiosity peaking Tool, this is a tool to help you grow your business But do you think that if if 80% of people are coming for fat loss? Do you think that this could help kick start them into a fat loss journey? Of course Of course it could so this is number one product This is basically a simple way to do a fast for 24 hours to kick your body into a Metabolically more efficient to burn fat to get healthier and the best thing y'all just so you all know the number one reason for fasting is Anti-aging it's the most studied concept of fasting is longevity. It's anti-aging. This is the number one reason But is it great for fat loss? Absolutely and what we learned from from dr Daniel Amen is that burning fat actually improves brain health and cognition So let's get to this one because this is Brian's birthday right now. We're running a special on keto pro I'm gonna give you guys. I want you to write this down. I want to give you a tip with keto pro is Then there's a couple reasons I use this is how I use it right the obvious one is a post workout shape right the obvious one is post workout the way that it's formulated is that it utilizes your Uptaking protein and you're utilizing it's called protein since at this So basically your body's able to build more protein with less calories and less protein in it because the way it's formulated You don't need to know all that dr. Dr. Wilson talks about that in his videos, but here's what I use it for There's two main ways that you can promote this is it's a great sleeping an hour before you go to bed It's unbelievable. It gives you sustainable energy people that are having a hard time sleeping that night This is a great tool to have about an hour before you go to bed Now this is a great way you can introduce that you can literally go to somebody that you know that sleeps poorly and say Listen, I just heard the craziest thing. We have a product that is works really well with sleep.  No plastic baggies the other demographic that I think this is super vital for is people above the age of 50 So what I my mom uses this in the afternoon, she's above the age of 50 She's 70 we use this in the afternoon and the reason why is because people in as they get older They need more protein and they have a hard time digesting protein They have a hard time getting enough protein to build a maintained muscle mass so she does a keto nap in the morning and then she does keto pro in the afternoon and it's an amazing thing it helps Keep her appetite down, which is great for longevity anti-aging fat loss Is a great great great great tool? My little one is taking all my products to throw them on the floor. So this is amazing now There's a one more little tip. I'm gonna give you with this This is my our kids favorite flavor and we give it to them for We give this is our snacks for our kids So what I do is I make this we do frozen strawberries with this is so good We do MCT 143 which mines downstairs.  It's a fuel for their kids brain at the same time It's better snacks than what they would normally get right they get great proteins They get ketones they get MCTs for their fatty acids and it's low carb and it's a great treat for our kids It's it's just a game-changer if you're thinking about the kids long-term health So right now this is on sale Brian's birthday if you haven't don't know that Brian Underwood our CEO's birthday Hit him a text hit him on social media wish him a happy birthday But these products this product is a huge game-changer. It's got like 11 patents or nine patents to it It's it's it's the first kind ever in the history of the world like never been done before not even a little bit done before This is a game-changer for so many people. It's a easy way to have a conversation I hey I heard today that people above the age of 50 don't process protein as well And we have to supplement to maintain muscle mass or however you would want to say it That this is called keto pro. So may have to name of it keto pro. This is birthday cake It's on sale right now. It is by far my kids favorite favorite favorite flavor It's so delicious a few frozen strawberries. It's so good. So so so good Okay, is this helpful you all this helpful. I hope this is helpful. Okay, cool My little plex. All right, we got my little plex. I'm kind of going in order of I feel like Personally what people are gonna gravitate towards is that's gonna elevate their their longevity their health and the results, right Charlotte Right Charlotte. Okay. She said yes. So my little plex Most of you don't know me because I was from the beginning when we first started I was pushing really hard for electrolytes Brian's like we can't just do regular electrical electrolytes. We have to do something extraordinary We have to do something advanced. We can't just do regular electrolytes. What a lot of people don't know is that if somebody's play plateaued or somebody's maybe tired or Somebody is cramping or maybe have a light headache when they're drinking keto nap and if they're doing a low-carb diet 90% of the times they're just dehydrated y'all they need more hydration and Unfortunately, most people go well, I just got a drink more water. I'm just gonna drink more water I'll just drink more water.  It's not very good I don't I don't bottle water if y'all don't know this the number one distributor of bottled water is Coca-Cola Just just so you're aware and then Nestle it might be Nestle Either way Nestle and Coca-Cola is primarily the water you're drinking from smart water doesn't it's not that smart y'all It's just it's a little bit of electrolytes for taste When you're in ketosis your body needs hydration and that doesn't mean just water. It means Quality water stuff in the water. So my no plex. I believe is one of the most important things that comes with our product Get this into more people's hands. Now. This is especially true if you live in the Southwest California, Nevada, Arizona parts of Colorado parts of Utah Uh, New Mexico, Texas, this is even more important because they live in a desert or if people use like reverse osmosis or filtered water They need more this I recommend to a day. You know, how many people I've seen this break their plateaus their fat loss plateaus It's extraordinary and all it's doing is it allows the mitochondria and hydration components to work more efficiently to work better And so when your body works better everything falls into place Can't touch that one. Can't touch that one So hydration tools, okay? Very very good. I like it. I do this in between so I do a keto net I do this I do a keto net. I do this I do a keto net I do it kind of in between we do have the unflavored you can mix together and some of you are really creative and you mix the flavors with the flavors I'm actually did that. I have the Satonas here the Mexican ketones with a mitoplex in it pretty good, huh?  Oh shoot. Oh hold on a second. Apparently. They can't hear me. How about now? Can you guys hear me now? Can you hear me now Jenna? No, oh my goodness hold on a second. This is crazy come back. All right one second. Let me I got a Try this How about now? No, yes. No, no, no, I'll be right back. I got a hop off and hop back on We got a glitch on the zoom glitch on the zoom. They lost me Can you grab that phone grab the phone? You can come back up here one second One second one second. I just got a hop back on My bad. How I don't know when you cut off my little daughter hit the the Siri button And I didn't see everybody saying I can't hear you. I apologize. What'd we lose all of it? We lost you at might oh Yes, so this is huge Because when my little plexi in your system what happens is that people don't realize when you're metabolizing body fat hydration and the ability for your your cells to work more efficiently and Is super super important one of the biggest efficiencies that we have is potassium now Our keto net has potassium in it also has sodium in it and so we need to increase that so my little plex was designed for keto net I hope that makes sense So this anti-aging all of our products are designed for anti-aging by far But anti-aging fast fasting is one of the number one anti-agers you can possibly do so reboot and 24 fast are huge For anti-aging I'm gonna get into another product in a second But I've seen so many people break a plateau utilizing my little plex today This is what I recommend to a day if people are not getting a great experience on ketone It's almost always this is almost always the thing that's stopping them if they're doing everything else that they're supposed to do And obviously I'm talking about fat loss So this is a game changer if you're not utilizing this it's huge, but here's the thing This is a great curiosity peaking post You know think about this we always want to lead with keto net, right? You want to use keto net as the as it's the entry point of the conversation But from a curiosity peaking post you could do a little pour into your shaker bottle and you post and say hey I finally found a hydration tool That helps me break a plateau or that helped me do this So what happens is now you created a conversation you still go back to Nat if that makes sense But you know what I don't care if people just buy my little plex for a while You think that if they buy my little plex and they start learning about this conversation that they're more likely to buy the other products Of course, we really want people keto net is the entry point. It's the simple. It's the simple simple simple simple way of of Getting the support products there do kind of help advance it and help people Gaps they have a dietary plan or nutritional plan. I hope that's okay. Cool You want keto I'm gonna keep moving on if you have questions you guys can pop them. I'll answer questions for y'all And then I'm gonna give it a little fat loss tip here at the end So this is another product that I think is really important to talk about and I'm just gonna go over on the other ones here They're really quick, but this is called signal OS and somebody talked about anti-aging. So signal OS is Extraordinary it does a few things first off it actually synergistically works with ketones. So What we're finding this seems to they seem to enhance each other, right? They work well together is what that means people don't know about nutrients in the body To absorb and use things you have to have other things available And so when people just go, hey, I took zinc or I took a vitamin Doesn't have all the other ingredients you need for it to actually activate the way you want to That's what's cool about prove it the way that they're formulating everything Is the way that we're forming that everything it everything can work synergistically together like it enhances each other So you get a better return. So anti-aging. This is a huge product for that Um, now I still believe I mean just because I'm a science guy. I believe that a better diet I believe ketones and fasting is your your in hydration is your key to anti this is an enhancement to that And what this does is helps meaning that if you eat like crap and don't take care of yourself and don't sleep at night It may not it may it may not overcome all those challenges. Does that make sense? But if you can start taking care of yourself better, this will enhance the anti-aging effect It's been proven to repair your dna what you want and to lengthen telomeres So telomeres are like the they're they're a tail on your dna.  So signal s is just a green changer. Um, I'm gonna get questions in just a second here, but Here we go signal defense. Hey, this is just assurance policy to stay healthy. That's what this is for It has great stuff in there. It's a health product to stay healthy Keto up be patient with keto up. We're working on some new stuff at at hq So be patient if you're wanting and looking for keto up. It's it's not going to come right now We've got some stuff available. You can use that but as long term right now. Just stay stay tuned But here's the short answer you can substitute keto up for keto nap simple answer. Just substitute it very easy Unleashed Same thing just substitute it. Just don't drink this before bed That goodness things out And the last one is our keto nap light. This is just an added boost You can if you're a person that uses half servings for your family members Start using that instead the flavors if you haven't tried keto nap light the flavors are stupid good The strawberry in there is unbelievable, but we make popsicles out of it We make lollipops out of it. We make shakes from it. We make little frozen pops from it Um, we use it.  So that's what I use keto nap for our keto light for Um, and so I'm going to shut up for a second. I want to look and just anybody have questions. Just go and pop them in the chats Gummy bears. Yes. Gummy bears. That's kind of fun. That's fun. I did have a keto pro or a keto Um, no broth my broth is on the floor. I'm not going to pick it up Um during the the reboots and during the 24 fast the keto broth is great great the the Time and the onion broth is great for your dogs. Uh, yes, I said your dogs Um, I like this. It's a great appetite suppressant so I use that if I want to extend my fast or um, if I want to Um, if I'm just really hungry and I know I shouldn't be for whatever reason I might just pop in a a broth in there now find one that you like because everybody has a different experience with broth If they like it or don't like it, dude, just just be patient there. Yes three um three keto are uh three My duplex today is just fine just fine. Okay questions questions questions. Yeah, I I like the salt the karma myself. Um Here's what I want to say about fat loss is here's a few mistakes that people make and I'm going to give you some some tips that you can make things better Because that's the thing I find that that's almost always the thing that stops people from Sharing this is that their story stopped or they're like once I get an experience Then I'm going to share it right? What's that experience look like most often? It's fat loss driven right if people don't lose weight fast enough. They're not going to keep going So here's the reality and this is the thing these are the mistakes people make when they get started The first one is that they don't change their diet Right when you're if fat loss is your goal then lead with that Hey, listen if you're a person did anybody drink the product and shrink without trying they didn't change their diet at all anybody Okay, jenna did that so here's the challenge if jenna and zack they go. Hey, listen. I just drank it. I lost 30 pounds They're very likely to get 60 percent of people To not continue because their expectation Is that they just have to drink the product they're going to shrink so i'm being very generous It's probably more like 30 of the population in america in europe in mexico in canada 30 percent can drink the product and they're going to see shrinking right away significant shrinkage Seinfeld fans um 30 percent So that means 60 to 70 percent of people if they don't make a dietary change aren't going to get results From a fat loss perspective fast enough So be careful if you just drank it and lost weight Be careful because what you might do is you might get a lot of people to start and quit really fast because they think that that's what They're going to do what you did they're going to think that's what's going to happen for them But statistically There's a there's a metabolic switch that's off and jenna and zacks metabolic switch was not off It could have been because of their metabolic It could have been because of their health history because they've taken care of themselves or just sheer luck. I don't know But the reality is this We want to set you up for success Okay, so be aware that if somebody says hey after michael rutherford did lose that first 50 pounds by drinking the product He lost it because he drank the product went low carb and he walked He walked like 10 to 12 miles a day. He talked a lot. He was moving his body. That's why it happened so fast Most people aren't willing to commit to that journey So when it comes to fat loss, let's set people up for success day one Because if we do that Is it more or less likely to get them to post on say on facebook if they lose 10 pounds in the first 30 days More it's more likely, right? You all see in how this is just a merge together and so What I want you to do is is is utilize the tools that we have available fat loss drink the product in the morning Maybe have a glass of water before don't eat your first meal until noon Maybe have a hey not everybody needs to start out with second serving right away their gi track can't handle it So be patient with that tell them. Hey listen, we'll start you all slow We can work up to it. Some people can start right away. That's okay. Let them do that But just coach them be part of that you don't have to know anything about really coaching to tell them that right Eat a low carb dinner to bed move your body more Like that is the that will work for 98 of the population There's a few percentages that you might not work for because they have whatever going on But that is the secret if people want to lose body fat, we've got to get low carb You know, most people don't realize that you lose your body fat through your breath Through your sweating through your skin and through your urine urine So we want to get sweating. We want to get moving, right? That's gonna be really important We also we want to um, we want to hydrate so that we can have really good irritation. We want to Move our body more as often as we can and when you move more you breathe more when you breathe more you sweat more If you sweat more you lose more. So these things are all going to be really important factors I know everybody wants to do the quick fix thing and just say hey I just drank this and I lost a bunch of weight You are setting people up for failure And what's going to happen is you're going to a lot of people buy the product and then everybody's going to Quit the product and Provence mission is to help people become the best version of themselves, right? So let's do that through transparency and some people are going to get lucky and go. Hey, I just drank it I lost 44 pounds. I meant the guy that said to that and I'm like awesome. Just don't tell that to everybody Yeah, great.  I'm just kidding. She didn't say that Um, all right guys. Yes, you can't fix a year years of decades of damage overnight But this is expectations that we're talking about y'all and we just want to help manage that I'm going to be quiet now. Jenna anything else any other questions you think that people had? I didn't get to read all the chats in there. Um I want to do this call. Uh, it's a little different format than normal. Um, I'm going to end it with one thing Be the product of the product. All right. I want you to hit your team leaders because we can talk I can talk business I can talk. Hey, you got to talk about the opportunity. You got to start sharing this conversation more What's going to get you to do that is you're excited about where you're going and it could be business It could be product. Hey listen, I want I want people to have these conversations be okay with that I think people have more conversations Right more conversations get with your teams start doing 24 fast groups You know, maybe you get five or 10 people say listen, we're going to do 24 fast all the way through the month of may and we're going to document this All we did was add it 24 fast. Hey, all we did was add mydiplex Hey, all we did was add protons in for night time And what you can do is you can be a conversation starter or a piece to get you moving in the right direction for your success Okay, and and in this business, you know, what we know is consistency. You've heard this all the time Consistency is the key but consistency just isn't about just about posting isn't just about sharing It's consistency pursuing better Um, I hit Mitch Newman the other day and I was talking about um, because we know we've known brian for a long time And y'all it's brian's birthday again if I didn't say that already I know it did but if you didn't hear that already and we're just talking about like how we've all Consistently grown over the last five years. It's been remarkable And we're pursuing better better in our relationships better in our business better in our health And it's not a straight line. It's not perfect But this is my goal my challenge for everybody out here is hit your team leaders Get a group together and say what are we going to pursue this month? And you can it could be business driven. I think it should have a little business twist to it I think it should be product driven Like it's maybe starting with a new product playing with it trying it out for a month And it should be health driven or or goal driven so that you can get a better experience with this journey. So, um Anyway, I wanted to do this differently, uh, because um, yes, jenny's like I've been eating bad lately Well Don't get mad or beat yourself up or not eating perfectly. Just know that that's part of your journey What's your goal? What's your outcome? And if you want to grow a business and you're not Being the example you want to be well, it's going to probably affect you in some way What's your intention for 2021? What's your intention for? um, your your pursuit of better so All right, guys Is that helpful? It's just helpful at all. I don't know. It was just different. I want to do a different one So I hope it's helpful. Um, and in the chat if you if you know what your intention for may is Put in the chat put in the in the chat below. Um, what is your intention for may? Let me know hit me up. I would love to see it. What's your goal? What's your pursuit 5k 10k 10 pounds sleep better? um You know help 10 people join the journey with you. What is your intention for this? I'm just super super super curious and my little girl is going bonkers on my computer right now Oh, she's loving it. Uh multiplier help 5 to mvp. That's great.  Come on. Let's hear it. Let's hear it. What are your goals? If you have a business goal What's your health goal?  What's your intention? I want to like Mitchell talk about that, right? What's your intention for this month? Is it to lose five pounds? Is it to lose one pound? Right? Is it to lose weight just by not drinking water or is it to lose? Um, three pounds of body fat, right? If you're going to go hit multiplier, what's your way of doing that? How are you how are you going to pursue that? So I hope this makes sense. So, um, I appreciate you having me on today, uh, Michael said hey fill in because he's he'd like got to He got to Vegas I get three o'clock in the morning or something. So, um, give him a big shout out He's doing amazing things and and I appreciate him him as a leader Um, and all you guys for being on, um, I'm going to go now That was 35 minutes of me ranting about the products But if you're not a product of the product if you're challenged with that Start utilizing them and start pursuing the best version of yourself And I promise you that it gives you the ability to have more conversations with more people Bye y'all Bye One month we can hear us any more charlotte


Hey everybody, it's Eric Johnson from AirTalesNation and in today's video what we're going to do is mix it up a little bit. We're talking about details and in this video we just had the camera rolling a few months back in one of our practices and we were inside the gym and we're talking about how important it is that details improve the output of what you're doing in your training session so we're big on that, that's a big thing behind the throwing chain reaction system so inside the weight room, how can we get more work out of what we're doing? We've got to be more efficient in the details matters so check out this video. It's core tight, good posture, feel the core engaged so it's all hammy, tighter, tighter. Into it, right? You have to feel that it's harder, it's more work, it takes more energy to hold the right positions, that's throwing too. Okay, let's go. Tight, keep your feet together, pull the knees closer a little bit more, there, that's it. Now you're working good work, just a little angle change and now we're getting how much more work out of one thing, right? Yeah, exactly, hold it together, feet together. Let's go. There we go. Yes, much harder.  Yep, yep, come on, come on. You can see you're weaker to this side. Let's go, tight, tight, tight, tight, tight, keep it tight. Oh, you lost it, keep it this way, come on. Oh, bring your feet, bring your feet, this way, this way, this way, there we go, come on, yep, yep, that's it. Details, bro, that's the key. Let's go. Get it up there, keep it tight, tight, tight, tight, tight. Don't let your leg flare out, control. Keep it all on that hamstring, let's go. Feel what I'm talking about? Yeah. You've got to get more out of your time, right? If I've got to do 10 reps, I want to do 10 freakin' reps, not sloppy reps. Sterling, keep those knees, it's all about the legs in the right position, ah, ah, ah. Keep your knees pulled in, tight, tighter, straighten the legs a little bit more. So, right here, this is where the knees should be, bend them slightly, right there. When you pull, it's all trunk. Feel the difference? Yes, there, that's the slight angle change, massive difference. Let's go, there we go. Pull the knees in, keep it tight as you come to the bottom. Keep the legs pulling this way towards the bottom. Keep them pulled in towards the bottom. There we go, much more core engagement that way. There we go, that's what I want to hear. Pull it in, keep it tight. Pull it in, pull it in, pull it in, pull it in. Yep, there we go, good. I feel it in my core. Well, you could feel it more in your core if you did it right.   You still got too much of this. Like some kind of freaking, yeah, exactly. Angle, longer step, hmm, longer step. So all the weight's forward, you got too much weight evenly distributed. There, let's go, longer, longer, no, Jesus, longer, bigger step. You got to angle into the step. That's better. Still a little too much rotation but better angle, yeah. Remember, feel the difference between that one and the one before. Drive the hips, let's go. Big drive, short dip, dip and punch, much better. Feel the difference? That's what you got to do in your throw. Right, you got to drive the power comes from the lower body. There you go, longer step, longer. Lean it forward, lean it forward, bigger step, bigger step. Chest up and touch, that's it.


I thank you very much. Good morning and welcome everyone to the Justice Committee's fourth meeting of 2015. I can ask everyone to switch off mobile phones and other electronic devices as they interfere with broadcasting, even when they're switched to silent. No apologies have been received. Item 1. I'm inviting the committee to consider item 3 on the draft report on our supplementary LCM, and then item 4 on our work programme in private. Are you agreed? Thank you very much. Item 2. This is our final day of evidence taking at stage 1 of the Prisoners Control of Release Scotland Bill. I welcome to the meeting our first panel witnesses, Michael Maslithon, Cabinet Secretary of Justice, along with the Scottish Government officials, Philip Lamont, Head of Criminal Justice and Sentencing Unit, Jane Muffet, Head of Rehabilitation and Reintegration Unit and Ann Davies, Director for Legal Services. I understand, Cabinet, that you do not need to make an opening statement so far you've won, friends. So I'll go straight to questions. I'll take Christian, then Elaine, then Gil, Alison, Margaret, Roddy, John. Why not join in? Yes, Jane. There we are. You're all down for questions. I've forgotten who I'm starting with. Elaine. No or not, it was Christian. Is it? You've not written it faster though. Christian, you're too fast for him.  Good morning, Cabinet Secretary. Were you heard during the evidence we had a lot of concern regarding cold release? I think every witnesses and every submission we had, we had a very great concern about cold release. We heard from the Scottish Association for the Care and Resettlement of Offenders, SACRO, to answer the question, how to try to ensure that release of prisoners are safely rated back into communities. They said not to remove automatic early release entirely, but reduce it to the last three months of the sentence to ensure that there was some brief period of compulsory supervision to oversee real tradition to the community. I think that's important. When I asked the question to Peter Johnson, for example, talking about the mandatory, I called it a pre-release supervision, there were some scope and some of the people who came and gave evidence for it. It could be an idea to amend the bill. Any thought about this? I think I'm conscious of some of the evidence that you have received has raised concerns about the issue that you described as being cold release and the implications of that. I think that it's worth taking a step back in just considering some of the issues that are at play at the present moment. Although the bill intends to end automatic early release, there is still the provision, obviously, for parole-conditioned release to take place. If someone receives release on condition set down by the parole board, they have a level of supervision. That's the case at the present moment. That will be the case with the ending of automatic early release. It just means that, at the present time, when you can apply for parole halfway, if you're refused, when you get to two thirds, it doesn't matter, you get automatic early release, that element will end with no supervision in place. There are individuals who will be released with conditions set by the parole board, so that will happen. There are also those with a significant number of prisoners who receive extended sentences, which are handed down at the time in court. That's for those individuals who have a determinate sentence. Once they've served that period and they're released, there is a period of supervision, which then takes place after that as well. It's clear that there is a category of individuals who may not qualify for parole for any form of early release and then may be released at the end of their sentence. I'm open to exploring with the committee, given the evidence that you have heard, whether there are measures that could be put in place in order to try to address the concerns that have been raised. For example, Sacro's suggestion about the idea of three months prior to the person being released if they were to be given a period of supervision in order to help to move them back into the community and to address any issues that there may be. I'm open to considering that. I would welcome the committee's input and views on that particular approach. It's worth keeping in mind, though, that all prisoners will be in that situation, because you will have those who will get parole released, and you will be supervised, and those who will have extended sentences opposed at the time of their sentence. For that smaller category of individuals, I'm more than willing to explore whether there are further measures that we could take to improve the bill. I think that, for example, Peter Johnson was very, very clear that he thought that for all prisoners who were on the extended post release, there will be no problem at all with that. We are only talking about the very small number, as you said. I think that it's a very small number, but if we could reassure most of the people who came and gave evidence for this now—a small number of prisoners—who could have ended up being released in cold release before any pre-mandatory release supervision, I think that that would help greatly. I'm prepared to look at that. For example, I take from SACRO's suggestion that the idea would be that they would receive parole release three or six months prior to the end of their sentence in order to supervise their move back into the community. If that's a way that is more appropriate to try to manage some of those risks, I'm open to exploring how we can improve the bill in this particular area. If other members of the committee have other suggestions, I'm again content to consider those in going forward with the bill. I don't know, cabinet secretary, if you have the opportunity to see the written submission from Professor McNeill of 20 January to the committee. No, I haven't. In which he says in a quote, "...I spent last week in a meeting with European experts from several jurisdictions, and many of them were expressing concern about the increasing numbers of prisoners opting to, in quotes, max out close quotes on their sentences in order to avoid the painful uncertainties attendant on discretionary release schemes and the more and more intrusive and sometimes disproportionate forms of post-release supervision emerging in many jurisdictions." In other words, I'm not looking for a release, I'm not looking for parole, it means I can just, when I get out, I'm free and easy, I'm not done that. Is that, have you addressed that? I don't know if you addressed that in your answer to Christian. Well, you have that at the present moment with automatic early release. They just have to serve two thirds of their sentence and they can be released, even though they may have been considered in previous years by the pro board as being a risk that they don't believe they should be released into the community. What I'm more than prepared to look at is whether there are, for those who get to the end of their sentence, whether there is a measures that we could take to try and help to address some of the concerns that the committee have highlighted to them. But I should also emphasise that there are provisions that are open to the courts at the present moment in order to apply an extended sentence for individuals when there have been sentences that they think will continue to pose a risk to apply that. Maybe I can give you a couple of statistics that might demonstrate the scale to which extended sentences are used. In 2013-14, 42 per cent of sex offenders getting a sentence of four years or more received an extended sentence. 50 per cent of sex offenders getting a sentence of ten years or more received an extended sentence by the courts and 32 per cent of non-sexual offenders receiving a sentence of ten years or more received an extended sentence. Courts at the present time in considering a case have the flexibility and option available to them to extend an individual sentence at the time of their period in custody if they believe that they will continue to pose a risk. So the issues may be more around whether some members feel as though that has been used sufficiently by the courts and whether there are any measures that can be undertaken in order to look at extending that further. I'll let other members then perhaps return to other issues. Elaine Fulbaigill, Fulbae Allyson. Thank you, convener. We heard a number of pieces of evidence. Professor McNeill in written evidence said that the question of how best to manage early release should be referred to the Scottish Sentencing Council. Professor Tata agreed with that, saying that he couldn't support the bill as it is and the Sentencing Council should be looking at these sorts of issues. Peter Johnson, the risk management authority, also thought that further thought should be given to the bill rather than proceeding with it as it stands. Lisa Mackenzie of the Howard League said that the Scottish Sentencing Council is recruiting staff and it seems ashamed to be pre-empting its existence. What's happening with the Scottish Sentencing Council and would it not be better placed to examine these sorts of issues? First of all, I'm open to improving the bill, but I'm also committed to ending automatic early release as we've set out very clearly within the bill. Clearly it's for the Scottish Sentencing Council to determine what their work programme is. Of course, we could ask them to look at further issues around automatic early release at some point in the future. The Scottish Sentencing Council is due to be up and running by the end of this year, which is a piece of work that's been taken forward by the Lord Justice Clarke, who will head up the Scottish Sentencing Council. From the quotes that you've made reference to, I'm, as I've said to the committee, open to looking at how we can improve it, but I'm also clear in our commitment that we are going to end automatic early release. If the committee and others have a view on how we can improve the existing bill, then I'm more than content to consider those issues. Equally, in ending automatic early release for the way in which we've set out in this particular bill, if there are further areas that should be considered at a later stage, that is a matter that the Scottish Sentencing Council could consider. However, I don't think that we have to wait to make a decision on ending automatic early release for the Scottish Sentencing Council to come to a decision in the matter. However, it's true that it's only ending automatic early release for about 1 per cent of the prison population. I wonder if you could maybe explain what the thinking is, because there was an alternative approach postulated through the custodial weapons and sentencing act in 2007. Now, the McLeish commission found a number of problems with that. In particular, it would—the prison service really couldn't cope with the increased number of people who would be kept inside at that point. Then, your Government amended that through the 2010 Criminal Justice and Licensing Act, which enabled ministers to break in a phased implementation of basically a sentencing regime where there would be a defined period in prison and a period under supervision in the community. I just wondered why instead of progressing with that approach, which I think that your Government agreed with, this other rather contradictory approach has come in that will only affect 1 per cent of the population? It's 1 per cent of the population based on the timescales that were set within the bill itself. The 10 years for non-sexual crimes and four years for sexual offences, if the committee has a view as to whether that threshold should be lower, then again I'm prepared to consider that. I know that there are some stakeholders who would say that they would believe that the threshold should be lower for both categories, which in doing so would then have a bigger impact on the percentage of the prison population that that would have an impact on. With regard to the wider issue around the other possible route that could be taken, you still have the issue about addressing automatic early release. The issue was about providing transparency in sentencing policies, so you have the period in custody and the period in the community. What we are doing with ending automatic early release is that an individual will then be required to have their case considered by the parole board, and the parole board will determine whether they believe that the issue should be released early. At the present moment, we don't have that at all after once a prisoner gets to two-thirds of their sentence. The other thing that is worth keeping in mind around the other approach to changing the sentencing arrangements was that, as Henry McLeish pointed out, there are a number of other issues that would have to be addressed before that could be introduced and taken forward. A large part would be about addressing short-term sentences in order to create capacity in the prison estate and to keep prisoners in prison for longer periods of time. There are a number of other things that we need to do before that would be possible, some of which we are already doing, but I also think that it is important that we send out a clear signal about ending automatic early release. The issue for victims and for the community is that a sentence should mean what it says. The approach in the 2007-2010 act was about a sentence being what somebody would serve the sentence that they were given rather than come out early, which is the objection that the public has to automatic early releases that you think somebody is going away for six years and they only go away for three years. The other approach would tackle that perception issue without potentially releasing people out at the end of a sentence with no support at all. That is one of the concerns about that. People could end up at the end of their sentence with no support. Okay, they will have served what they were supposed to serve, but there is nothing there to support them into the transition back into the community. For a small proportion of prisoners, that would be the case. Maybe there are ways in which that can be addressed, but the certainty that a victim has in ending automatic early release is the knowledge that that individual will not be released automatically when they get to two thirds of their sentence, irrespective as to the risk that they may continue to pose. It gives us a way in which we can address that much more effectively, and it is clearer for victims in that sense. However, to reinforce the point, it would only be for a small proportion of prisoners who may get to the end of their sentence that could be released if they had no supervision. That is why I am more than happy to explore ways in which we can address those concerns. Do you think that you will bring in the provision to the 2010 act in terms of the orders that you could make, because that was going to be a more staged approach to bringing in that order? As Henry McLeish pointed out, there is a range of other things that you have to do around dealing with short-term sentencing in order to address that shift. We are committed to doing that. We have already got to the point where we have moved for a presumption against two-thirds of less than three months. If the committees get a view of moving that further, I would be more than happy to explore that with the committee around tackling the effectiveness of short sentences. That was one of the key things that Henry McLeish pointed out in his report. Is this the first stage in which you intend to end automatic early release? That does not end automatic early release, not in the vast majority of cases it does not. Are you intending to move further? I am prepared to consider whether there are, for those stakeholders who do believe that the thresholds can down to a more than prepared to explore that. I am not in a position where I am saying that I am going to bring it down to x-level at the present moment, but the four in ten year thresholds that we have set is a position that we have started with as a Government, and I am prepared to look at extending that further once I have been able to consider those issues further. If the committee has got a view, I am more than happy to explore that with the committee. I want you to take you, cabinet secretary, to post-release rehabilitation programmes that are in place. I was involved with the Save Peterhead campaign and travelled up there and met lots of people who were involved in the programmes. They drew world attention to the success rate in Peterhead, and I believe that that continues to this day. Of course, prisoners that are more than four years who volunteered to participate in those programmes, whether they were doing it because they felt that their behaviour needed to address sexual serious offenders or if they were lining up to benefit from the parole boards appreciation of doing something positive. However, the outcome, no matter what the category, for the right reasons and those who were doing it to get out early, the same conclusion was that both categories got a lot of benefit from it. There was no difference, apparently, from the two different categories. However, one of the things that came up in the first session in this inquiry or this evidence-taking session was that the prospect, simply because if we do away with early release then as night falls day, there is going to be more people that would possibly benefit from rehabilitation programmes within the prison setting, but the question that arose was that two things that came to the evidence was, first of all, presently resources are being a bit squeezed, that folk that were already there and volunteering, some people weren't benefiting from it and secondly, since there's going to be higher numbers, then resources might be further squeezed. My question is, can you assure the committee that, since there will be longer, if it goes ahead, then there will be more people spending longer terms in prison, but the opportunity to engage in the programmes that are very, very positive are there, but will the resources be there to make sure that that happens? I'm imagining the reference to the Peterhead campaign that was a stock programme, which Peterhead was one of the pioneers in taking forward to rehabilitate sex offenders. I know that, in the evidence that you received from the chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service, Colin McConnell, he was expecting an increase in the number of prisoners who would take up rehabilitation programmes, largely on the basis that, if you know you're going to be automatically released two thirds, then there's less of an incentive for you to participate in a programme. If you wish to secure parole early release, then you are going to have to demonstrate that you're addressing your offending behaviour and that you're making progress on that. So there's obviously an incentive there for prisoners then to take up these programmes. In terms of how resources are deployed to meet that increasing demand, that would be a matter for the Scottish Prison Service and to manage that within their resources. There will always be pressure on those things. It's like every other department. Government, there are financial pressures which make things challenging, which is why it's important. The programmes that the Scottish Prison Service is running are ones that have better outcomes, which are the ones that make the difference and to be focused in providing them. I would like to give you an assurance that the Scottish Prison Service will do their best within the resources that they've actually got. One of the benefits is that, in more prisoners undertaking rehabilitation, it helps to reduce the potential for them to commit further offences in the future, which would have a medium to long-term benefit in terms of reducing demand on the system. There's an element where you're investing in these types of rehabilitation things to reduce further demand at a later stage, which would be the preferred approach that I'd like to see happening. One of the things in the Peterhead campaign to save Peterhead, eventually, it was saved, of course, was lots of women's groups who were looking after people who had experienced some of the impact of serious sexual attacks on women and children. They were to the vanguard to save Peterhead because of those very programmes. I really want to know if you're comfortable in that we can assure the committee and women's groups in particular that we can handle this and the expected numbers. There will be greater numbers and we can actually help and increase the number of people who are in prison to change their behaviour. We did receive evidence, not from the prison service. I listened carefully to what they had to say. It was reassuring, but I got the feeling that they will do the job as best they can, as you explained. I'm very concerned that we use the opportunity in this early release that we tackle those who perhaps are not putting themselves forward who would definitely benefit, and it might actually be a resource. I would be grateful if you would perhaps look at that to reassure yourself in particular and the committee. Of course, I'm more than happy to look at that, to now discuss that particular point with the chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service. Particularly when it comes to sexual offenders, there are a whole range of other measures when a sex offender is released from prison as well in terms of supervision, etc. That is put in place in order to address areas of risk, notwithstanding any rehabilitation that they may have undergone well in prison or not undergone well in prison as well. Part of the challenge is to make sure that we increase the number of prisoners who are participating in those programmes. I believe that, by ending automatic early release and the requirements that the probe will have in order to consider whether someone should be released early, they will act as a driver for more prisoners to participate in those programmes. I think that one of the benefits that will come from that is the increasing number of prisoners who will participate in the programmes. I'm more than happy to discuss with the chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service how they will address any additional demand. I'm confident that they'll be able to do so. However, if the member wishes me to do that, I'm more than happy to do that with him. I'm grateful for that. I'll pursue that a little bit further if you don't mind, cabinet secretary. I hope that the ending of automatic early release will act as a driver. The views that we've heard have been mixed, I think, on that, to be fair to say. However, what has been quite clear is that we have heard from Professor Miller that equity, provision and access to programmes across Scotland will become more important and there will perhaps be a human rights issue underneath there. If prisoners are not able to access release through parole because they have not had access to the proper programmes due to pressure or due to them not being available in one particular area, the consequences might be, and I quote Professor Miller, the consequences for prisoners' rights if they're not given the rehabilitation programmes that they will be looking for more than that in the past. The committee needs to look at that as a foreseeable consequence as we go forward and perhaps the minister could reflect on that as well. I'm more than happy to do that. I think that it's also worth keeping in mind that the ending of automatic early release doesn't just increase demand tomorrow. The time frame for that to kick in is over a 10 to 11-year period by the way in which the turnover of prisoners. So there's a period of time that allows for planning into developed programmes that can meet that increasing demand. However, I'm very clear in my view around tackling Scotland's prison population. A big part of the focus has got to be tackling underlying causes of offending behaviour. I also recognise that prisons are not also the best place to rehabilitate people as well, but while you do have individuals in prison, you have to make the best opportunity you can in order to try and achieve that. So it's an important element of one of the three pillars of our prison system is having adequate rehabilitation provision available to it, but I'm more than happy to make sure that we continue to explore how we provide equity of provision of rehabilitation services within our prison estate to ensure that we can be confident that we are maximising the potential that we can get from rehabilitation while individuals are in prison, notwithstanding the financial constraints that we're in just now at the present time, which allows us to give us, and as I mentioned in the 11 years, give us some time for some of the planning and some of the additional work that will be necessary. However, I'm confident that the professionalism of our prison officers and the Scottish Prison Service will be able to provide the additional support and assistance that will be required in rehabilitation. Thank you. Thank you, Alison. Margaret, followed by Roderick, followed by John, followed by Jean. If I could just pursue that particular issue a little further, cabinet secretary, this isn't a new problem for many years now—incess of 10 years now—we've looked at inadequate provision of rehabilitation programmes for prisoners, and it does boil down to resource. If I can quote Dr Monica Barry, she highlighted that it's not a demand problem with programmes in prison, there is a supply problem. It doesn't matter how professional the SPS is, or how many discussions are there, unless the resources are in place, where we're going to have the same kind of situations that we're finding in the report from HMS Shots, which found that there's still a lack of meaningful and productive work available for prisoners. That isn't a good state of affairs for anyone. You will be aware of the updated report on shots, which has actually said that there's been a significant level of improvement made in providing purposeful activity, so that it has addressed a number of the concerns that were highlighted in the previous inspection report. It's important to recognise the work that the professional staff within Shots are undertaking in addressing some of the deficiencies that were highlighted. That was published a few months ago, the updated report. There was an update that was published around some of the progress that's been made on some of the challenges that have been identified in Shots. I made reference to that just before Christmas in a parliamentary question that was asked to me as well in the issue by, if I recall correctly, Alex Ferguson when he raised the matter in the chamber. I think that part of the challenge within the prison estate is to make sure that we are using the resources in the way that can best affect change. One of the challenges around that is to make sure that we are—for example, those who oppose the idea that we should have a presumption against short-term sentences. Short-term sentences have been demonstrated as being a very ineffective way in dealing with offending behaviour. Even sentences of less than six months are a very ineffective way of being able to address offending behaviour, but they take up a tremendous amount of the Scottish Prison Services resources. If there's a desire to make sure that we are much more effective in rehabilitating prisoners within the financial environment in which we operate, we also have to be realistic about how we can achieve that and how we can make sure that greater provision of rehabilitation that some people may believe is necessary to do it in an equitable fashion, but to do it in a way that actually has better outcomes for those prisoners that they are targeted at in order to deal with their offending behaviour. Part of that also means being honest and realistic in looking at some of the aspects around short-term sentences, which we know are extremely ineffective in addressing offending behaviour, but they cost the taxpayer a very large amount of money and a large amount of the SPS's budget, which potentially could be better used for rehabilitating those more serious offenders who pose a greater risk to our communities. I'm more than happy to have that debate and to explore those issues, but I'm very much of the view that it has to be a balanced approach about how we can make better use of rehabilitation within our prison establishments. On the issue of short-term sentences, for various reasons, people will end up there when they've gone through all the other disposals when there's a breach. The only disposal left is a short-term sentence very often. I would have thought, therefore, it was more important that rehabilitation programmes would be available for those people in that circumstance. For example, identifying literacy and numeracy problems, which we know a large population percentage of the prison population do have. Other plans to look at automatic testing of that and to provide even a gatepost to where more support can be found for those people would say dyslexia, for example. All of those things help to rehabilitate people who have offended for various reasons and we know that that can lead to these difficulties and can lead to criminal behaviour. Is the resource problem now in prison that could be used to stop recidivism rather than the revolving door where they're coming back, which I would argue is a greater cost to the community? I'm all in favour of stopping the revolving door and I think everybody in the committee would be signed up to that. It's about taking an approach which is effective in stopping the door from revolving and what I think we need to do is we need to be very clear about how we are going to go about achieving that and a big part of that is your correct, is about addressing the causes of offending behaviour and from my perspective and you know the evidence shows this is that given the situation that very often prisoners present themselves, particularly if they are serving a sentence of maybe three or four months, they will also have automatic early release at two thirds of their sentence. It gives the Scottish Prison Service an absolutely tiny window to try and address these things and I think it's unrealistic to expect the Scottish Prison Service to be able to deal with if they've got literacy issues, all of these issues and what could be a very, very small timescale while that individual is in prison. I think that part of the challenge that I believe we need to debate is about, well, is that an effective use of our resource? I'm sorry to interrupt, but both of you and Gina are wanting us to move on. It's a very interesting debate, but we're opening it up now to the revolving door short sentences and so on, which is important, but we're actually examining the bill in front of us, which is not short term. It is a big and interesting debate, but we are digressing. I ask your opinion, cabinet secretary, of Professor Tata's comment, rather than making sentences clearer, the bill actually muddies the water in that a 10-year sentence is 10 years, somebody else on nine years, for example, is released after two thirds, that six years. Isn't it really just complicating the sentencing process rather than making it easier to understand and more effective? No, I don't agree with that position. I'm aware of the view and the evidence that was given to the committee. I believe that by providing an end to automatic early release, we put ourselves in a situation in which victims will have the certainty that individual will just not automatically be released at two thirds of their sentence irrespective of circumstances. That would be the case if it was automatic early release that abolished for everyone, as opposed to the small group that has been... That's a different scenario then, but that's a different scenario if you're saying the threshold should be lower and that we should be taking a larger number of prisoners into the category of not qualifying for automatic early release. If that's the view, Professor Tata or yourself have on that matter, as I've said, I'm prepared to look at the thresholds. What that threshold should come down to is something that I'm more than prepared to explore, but I do think that in ending automatic early release, it gives a clearer indication that someone won't just be released just for the sake of it because it happened to have got at two thirds of their sentence. Right, I'll censure you want to move on to that. No, it's just that I'm looking at the purpose of the bill, which of course is key, and it says certain long-term prisoners, so it has to be, as I understand it, four years and over whatever happens. If you want to get into this debate, it maybe has to be other legislation. I don't know if this could be amended, even if one set one's path in that direction. If you were to go below four years. Yes, I don't think it could. Well, we are restricted to the long title of the bill in terms of what the provision would be. That's right, so it would be a different place. Anyway, I'm moving on to Roderick, John and Jane. Morning, cabinet secretary. Notwithstanding the policy memorandum and the acceptance of the policy memorandum that re-offending rates for sex offenders—serving sentences more than four years—were not necessarily higher, we heard concerns, particularly from Mr Johnson, about the selection of sex offenders and the logic for that, because of generally low rates of recidivism. Would you like to comment on that particular point? I think that, as a Parliament, previous Governments have taken an approach where we have dealt with issues around sex offenders in a different way, largely because of the impact that sexual offences have on victims and their families in their wider community. That's why we have a range of provisions in place to safeguard the community from sex offenders. We believe that it's an appropriate measure to have a lower threshold for sex offenders given that, and that's why we have a different threshold from that that we've set for serious offenders of 10 years for non-sexual crimes. Mr Johnson said that sex offenders generally tend to co-operate in prison in terms of accessing programmes. In his view, those are the people who should not be focused on. Anything else to add to that point? Numbers of them will participate in different programmes, but I think that it's important that we also have a threshold for sex offenders that allows them to apply for early release that we have appropriate supervision in place, which a pro-release would help to provide. What I also think will happen is that, as some of the evidence that you've received to the committee suggests, an increasing number of sex offenders will also participate in rehabilitation programmes. In your evidence from Colin McConnell, he felt that it's around the current update for sex offenders amongst programmes, or programmes that are offered around 50 per cent. He thinks that it estimates that that will move up to around 67 per cent in ending automatic early release. That will assist us in increasing the number of sex offenders who are participating in programmes to address their offending behaviour, which can assist us in helping to introduce the risk of them once they return back to the community. Can I just move back briefly to the question of cold release that we started with? Mr McConnell and his evidence said that his experience was that the first six to 12 weeks after release can be extremely risky. His emphasis, as he said, is on making custody itself less distinct and less disconnected from the community. That includes moving resources, prison officers, much more into the community to work alongside citizens who are moving from a period of custody back into the community. Any comments on those comments from Mr McConnell? I think that this goes back to some of the issues that were raised by Mr Allard and that was about other measures that we should take that could assist in helping to put provisions in place. That means that, when someone is coming to the end of their sentence, there is a period of supervision if they have not qualified for parole release. It is also worth keeping in mind that there is a significant amount of work that has been undertaken at the present moment by the Scottish Prison Service in order to better manage through care of prisoners, particularly for them who are going back into the community. With a named officer, within their establishment links with social work, housing, you will be aware of the programme that my predecessor set up, which is the cross-portfolio programme looking at the whole area of housing, health and other areas that can help to support individuals in moving back into the community. That work has to start early in prison in order to make sure that, when someone is being released, it is being properly planned for and it is able to be implemented at a time when individuals are being released from prison. There is much more happening in terms of managing through care of prisoners and planning for their liberation. Alongside that, the issue that Mr Allard has raised is considering whether there are measures that we could put in place within the bill to address the issue of folk ending their sentence without any supervision. Could the sisters in trying to address some of the concerns that have been raised? In essence, the emphasis on through care in any event irrespective of the detail of those provisions continues anyway. Professor McNeill, in his evidence, which he will have seen extols the committee to lift the quality of public debate. I commend your comments about the ineffectiveness of short sentences, your comments about prevention and rehabilitation. He also talks early in his evidence about the use of language and the use of unconditional in terms of earlier release. He goes on to say that it is not a helpful statement because individuals remain liable to return to custody to serve the remainder of their sentence if they commit a further imprisonable offence. There is a suggestion that there is a lot of populist background to legislation like this, particularly the references to sex offenders. I will not repeat Mr Campbell's questions, but they are a level of co-operation that we have from them. Can I ask you about MAPA, the Multi-Agency Public Protection Arrangements? Can I first ask you what the purpose of the bill is? Is it to enhance public safety? Yes. If it is to enhance public safety, Minister, would you not be better setting this legislation aside just now and concentrating on section 10 of the Management of Offenders Scotland Act 2005? 10-year-old legislation, because the provisions of MAPA do not cover violent offenders. That seems to me, and in another walk of life I have some personal knowledge of this, to be a far more pressing matter than dealing with the matters that we are dealing with here. MAPA is a framework that is for the purpose of sex offenders and knows with mental health conditions that brings the agencies together in terms of planning. The person obviously requires a level of supervision. Supervision provision has got to be in place, so it cannot plan circumstances where that is not the case. We are currently undertaking a piece of work internally in government, which is the MAPA principles that are used for sex offenders and are used for violent offenders. That piece of work is due to be completed this year to see how we can extend that principle and that framework and approach to dealing with violent offenders as well. I think that there are a lot of values within the MAPA approach and a lot of principles that potentially can be used for non-sexual violent offenders. That is the work that we are taking forward just now. I would expect to be in a place by the end of this year to look at how we can extend that provision to violent offenders on non-sexual crimes. That is helpful and I am sure that the committee would be grateful if you keep us updated in progress with that because it aligns with some of our other work as well. If the priority is the protection of the public, to what extent would putting in place MAPA for violent offenders offset any of the aspects of the legislation? Clearly, many people would imagine that legislation that had been in place since 2005 should have been enacted by now. You are in a situation where you have an individual when you get to two-thirds of their sentence that if there is no extended sentence provision put in place and they do not qualify for parole, they are being released without any necessary supervision provisions put in place. The question that I am taking from your question is whether MAPA should be used as an alternative to dealing with that supervision. Is that correct? In the scheme of things, we have legislation in place that has not been enacted in relation to a purpose that this legislation asserts to be addressing. I am wondering if we are out of culture with things. For instance, it is the case that someone can serve a full 10-year centre for violent offence, not co-operate with the prison authorities throughout, and be let out of the gate full stop. That is part of the reason why we are taking forward the work to look at using the MAPA principles for violent offenders, which we are doing just now. I am questioning the priority or the urgency. We will be in a position this year to look at taking that forward once that piece of work has been completed. The impact of this bill is over a 10- to 11-year period. I do not think that there is a conflict between the timelines. I would expect that the work that we are undertaking around the MAPA principles for violent offenders is something that we could have well in place before the provisions of the bill start to have a significant impact on our prison population. It is the case that, where they are already in place and should have been in place, many of the issues that have been raised about cold release and that would have been addressed because you would have been able to say, well, MAPA. MAPA keeps in mind that there needs to be a supervision provision in place for the individual. If the person gets to the end of their sentence and there is no extended sentence in place, MAPA does not apply. It could be a very violent person who has been released into the community. That goes back to the point that Ms Rallard was raising. I am more than happy to explore with the committee the idea of individuals getting to the end of their sentence and if they have no supervision provisions in place for going back into the community a way in which we could use the bill in order to achieve that. We are talking about a very small number of individuals because, at the present time, if sensing someone they think is violent and could be at risk at the end of their sentence, they have the option of being able to provide an extended sentence after they have served their period in custody. I think that the public thought, cabinet secretary, might reasonably expect us to encourage you to put in place the full provisions of legislation that has been on the statute book for 10 years rather than putting in new legislation, which in turn might have aspects that are not imposed for 10 years. That is why I am keen to encourage you to follow up on that. I hope that you are reassured by the work that we are doing just now. Do you understand the work that we have by the end of this year on MAPA? I hope that that would provide you with three assurance and take it out forward. It does indeed, thank you. Can I just ask, cabinet secretary, that business that is looking at MAPA and how it operates, when is that going to come to any kind of crystallisation use? Is it the end of the year? So that work started at the end of 2013 and they have been taking it forward over the course of last year and it is due to be with ministers by the end of this year. I think that the expectation is during the course of this year recommendations to ministers and then obviously following any decision that would come before the time. I am just going to say to the committee that I think that it is quite useful if we kept our ironness and perhaps had a session ourselves at some point, because there are issues just now with the main MAPA currently operates. I do not want to digress having reviewed somebody else who is digressing, but it is my understanding that prisoners are released currently back in the first instance to where they were resident and that may be where the crime was committed, which means you get vigilante, you get all kinds of things happening. There are issues about the way it operates just now, so I would hope that if we are looking at that, we committee would have the opportunity also to examine that. That is a matter for us really, as it is important, but it has flaws as it operates at the moment. I am more than happy to keep the committee informed of progress on this matter and once we start to get to the point when the details come to us. That would be very good, thank you. Yes, thank you very much because I think that we have all had some examples within our constituencies of it, not operating the way one would wish it. Jane, you have been very patient, but I know that it is worth waiting for. Thank you, convener. Morning, Cabinet Secretary. John Finnie stole my question. I was going to ask about MAPA. I have got some experience in the past life of how it works, so I am quite interested in the scope for MAPA to deliver a bit more of its objectives, but that has been dealt with. I am going to ask about another aspect of the bill, which is the early release for community rehabilitation. We had some witnesses who said that that was a slightly tokenistic approach, other witnesses who said that it was a very practical response to the help and support that the prisoners needed at the time of the release. I would like to hear your view of how much value you think a couple of days is going to make at the end of a sentence, and how many prisoners do you think that that will affect? That came about as a result of the work that has been taken forward in the ministerial group around tackling re-offending. One of the issues, if I can give you a practical example, because I was a health minister who sat in that group and I now chair that group in this portfolio, one of the challenges that it was highlighting was an individual who was in Berlin, prison, was liberated on a Friday, but resided in Obann. By the time they got to Obann, in order to see housing and other services on the Friday, they were in a situation where very often the offices had closed and they were able to get access to a GP, those types of practical provisions, all of which go back to the point around improving through care and managing prisoners back into the community. We know that, if we do not manage that effectively, you are in danger of just continuing with the revolving door that Margaret Mitchell made reference to for some of those individuals. They end up homeless, I think, the only way in order to get themselves back in somewhere, they end up committing offenses and back into prison again. Managing that period is extremely important in itself and it requires a multi-agency response, health, housing, etc. So, as a practical response to that, it was to give the Scottish Prison Service the flexibility to be able to flex that by two days. So, for example, going back to my individual in Berlin, who may reside in Obann, it may be for practical reasons in order to manage their move back into the community that we should do that on the Wednesday so that we can get the housing, we can get the benefit issue, we can get the health issues sorted out before the weekend. So that we are not setting someone up to fail. It is a small, practical thing that I think can make a significant difference in those types of instances. It is to be used at the SPS's discretion. It is not something that will be used routinely, but it allows them a level of flexibility so that they can accommodate that type of issue as and when it arises. I am interested in how local authorities and other public sector agencies work together to support prisoners on release. It is part of the rehabilitation programme, and I wonder if you think that community planning mechanisms have got, if there is any scope, to develop through community safety approaches a stronger network, a stronger partnership working between housing and health, so that they are better prepared as a team to cope with prisoners who are being released into their communities? I definitely think that there is a role for community planning partnerships there. As you will be aware, there is a commitment in the programme for government to take forward changes to community justice partnerships, and part of that will be looking at this issue around how we can affect better plying in those areas. Maybe just to give you a further example, we have a piece of work that we are taking place in Perth prison, which is working with housing agencies there. If there is an issue that is flagged up to me by those who work with offenders, housing tends to be this key issue that, if it is not managed, it just breaks down so quickly. Part of that is to look at how we can. They have a pilot in how they are working with some of the housing partners for their offenders and using different approaches to make sure that they manage that much more effectively and plan it much more effectively. We have also got a piece of research that we are undertaking across the country, which is looking at other approaches that have been used in different parts of the country to try to manage the issue of housing when prisoners are released as well. It is not just a matter for the community planning partnerships, it is also a matter for local authority housing departments or housing associations, all to recognise that they have a part to play in working with the SPS to try to deliver this. The SPS can only do so much, and they need to see themselves as being partners in that. For example, some of the work that we have commissioned off the back of the Elish Angeline report, such as the Tomorrow's Women Glasgow project, is a project in which there is a housing official in the team. Their job is that, when individuals are moving back into the community, they create that link. When I was chatting to that particular official, it was very clear that her mindset had changed since she had come into that role from being a housing official, because she has used it entirely differently. She now finds herself going to her colleagues and saying, no, you are going to have to think about this and challenging their normal way of working as well. More of that type of approach is the type of thing that I want to see happening, but I think that it is important that we do not just expect the SPS to sort it. The other stakeholders have all got a part to play in helping to address those types of issues. The revolving door starts to burrow at the custody stage sometimes, so there is a need to provide those sorts of supports right through the prison system, right pre-court, pre-trial. Whenever people are in the system, they need to start to get that kind of support with that. That is a different bill, a different meeting. I just like the word burrow. It is a great Scottish word, but it is visual, isn't it? On that note in burrowing, can I say that? No, I am not looking at them because there is no hands up. That is the end of our question session. Thank you very much, cabinet secretary and your officials. We are now moving, as we have agreed previously, into private session, so I will ask the room to be cleared, please.